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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 12:44:09 AM
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Yeah, I know its a bit early, but it's pretty clear to me that we've got a change coming soon. So do we want? Who could we get? Who do we think it could be?
I'd like Bielsa.
Rodgers is below us in the table.
Pochettino was a nearly man at Spurs and didn't do that well at PSG all things considered.
Potter is too much of a gamble.
Dyche is a big no because of his style.
Frank has done some good things.
Fonseca was mentioned a year ago but I'm not sure I know enough to have an opinion.
Southgate should never come back to Villa Park.
Allardyce would be a very bad joke.
Simeone wouldn't come.
Hassenhuttl would be a risk and I'm not sure I'd want a manager that has lost 9-0. (see also Parker)
Wilder isn't anywhere near ambitious enough.
Knutsen, pah.
Terry can fuck off and would be a crazy appointment.
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I'll do it. If I'd been in charge so far this season, we'd only have three fewer points. Fine margins.
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I'll do it. If I'd been in charge so far this season, we'd only have three fewer points. Fine margins.
Hmmm, get your cv over then.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
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Poch, Manchini, Potter
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Poch, Manchini, Potter
Didn't think of Mancini. Good call that.
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I'll do it. If I'd been in charge so far this season, we'd only have three fewer points. Fine margins.
Hmmm, get your cv over then.
Will do! I don't expect to be first choice, but I will pay my own expenses at the Travelodge for away trips, if that helps.
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Poch, Manchini, Potter
Didn't think of Mancini. Good call that.
He might be tempted as Italy didn't qualify for the World Cup.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
So you're writing me off? I'll have you know that I got Shrewsbury Town promoted to division 2 on Premier Manager '98, and had them safe in 14th place before I got the sack for offering Steve Watson a 6-year contract on £45k per week.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
So you're writing me off? I'll have you know that I got Shrewsbury Town promoted to division 2 on Premier Manager '98, and had them safe in 14th place before I got the sack for offering Steve Watson a 6-year contract on £45k per week.
I just don't think we are quite at your level, yet. Maybe if Pochettino can win a bit of silverware for us, you might be tempted in a few seasons, if the money's right.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
So you're writing me off? I'll have you know that I got Shrewsbury Town promoted to division 2 on Premier Manager '98, and had them safe in 14th place before I got the sack for offering Steve Watson a 6-year contract on £45k per week.
I just don't think we are quite at your level, yet. Maybe if Pochettino can win a bit of silverware for us, you might be tempted in a few seasons, if the money's right.
Thanks mate. Thank you for thinking not only about Villa but also my own career ambitions
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Someone who's managed someone in a top division in football, done relatively well, managed for more than 1 or 2 seasons and so he doesn't have to learn on the job. Basically someone who's a professional manager not a fucking YTS schemer.
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Manchini would be very interesting and high profile. And with Italy not going to the WC this might be the time. Pochettino for me though. Rodgers then maybe Potter.
Don’t we need a poll?
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I figured a poll could come after a while when all the runners and riders were suggested?
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Pochettino.
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Based on the last one, give people the option to vote for their least favourite three times, and he'll definitely be appointed.
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Dreamland but very unlikely would be Poch or Mancini.
As a more realistic option I think Rodgers would do well here.
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Pele.
He'll know how to keep this squad up,
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We already employed his son, and he didn't keep us up.
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Make them the best-paid manager in Europe and offer them £300m to spend in the first year and why not? It worked for Chelsea, Man City, and looks like it may work for Newcastle.
Why should we be the only club whose money is powerless?
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Postecoglou or Pochetino or Michael Beale
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Pochettino
Mancini
Rodgers
Probably the best chance we’ll ever have of getting the first two names.
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Someone vaguely competent would be an upgrade.
It’s all a bonus from there.
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Nile Rodgers
Ted Rogers
Or (maybe) Brendan Rodgers.
Failing that, Micah Richards. He always sounds like a smart, switched on individual.
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My set up preference would be:
• Michael Beale as manager.
• Steven Gerrard as motivational speaker, leader and inspirer of dreams.
• Micah Richards as fitness coach.
• Gabby Agbonlahor on analytics.
• Martin O’Neill as club accountant.
• Jack Grealish as Loyalty Scheme manager.
In other words, the winning combination.
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Here's my amended list again...
Currently unemployed
1. Pochettino (unlikely)
2. Zidane (highly unlikely)
3. Quique Setién
4. Lauren Blanc
5. Villas-Boas
6. Bielsa
Employed
7. Simeone (unlikely)
8. Potter
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Nicked from a Lester messageboard:
Lampard since arriving at Everton:
P23, W6, D4, L13 (22Pts) - 0.95PPG
Rodgers since Lampard arrived at Everton:
P22, W6, D6, L10 (24Pts) - 1.09PPG
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Gerrard since arriving at Villa:
P29, W11, D4, L14 (37Pts) - 1.27PPG
Rodgers since Gerrard arrived at Villa:
P29, W8, D8, L13 (32Pts) - 1.10PPG
They are desperate to get rid of him.
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Would not have Rodgers, his team is no better than ours, Gerrard said after the match he will keep going keep trying until he is told otherwise, even he realises the tap on the shoulder is coming.
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Brendan Rodger’s looks like the most obvious but uninspiring appointment.
I think we are about to find out if NSWE are still ambitious because The silky tongued Purslow announcing Rodger’s just won’t do it for me.
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Who is gonna join now the window is shut? It’s a huge job from here now. Gerrard has left us in a terrible position, the next manager will have no wingers because he’s let them all go
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We are not going to get Mancini before world cup, but he would be my choice
Hodgson in a holding/damage limitation role until then
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Hodgson?! Really?! Jesus Christ.
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We are not going to get Mancini before world cup, but he would be my choice
Hodgson in a holding/damage limitation role until then
Italy didn’t qualify IIRC
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Poch, Mancini, Potter
This, plus Bielsa (though only if the first 2 were unavailable).
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Surely now is the time to give Dwight Yorke his chance?
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Seriously, for me it has to be Poch. Experience coach at the highest level and would help our South American players as well as our younger players.
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Yep definitely Dwight, he’s been overlooked far too many times and deserves his chance to shine.
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Did Rodgers work under Purslow at Liverpool?
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We haven't gone big on a manager and had it work out since we poached Brian Little from Leicester in November 1994. Ok, arguably MON in 2006 was a good appointment but he didn't win anything (or make top 4).
The reason we have had such a barren recent history? It's not rocket science. We have to go big on a manager.
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I know this is unrealistically over optimistic, but someone vaguely competent, perhaps?
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Surely now is the time to give Dwight Yorke his chance?
Can’t wait for him to pipe up about not being offered an interview
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Did Rodgers work under Purslow at Liverpool?
No.
Rodgers for me. Pochettino won't come here.
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If we decide to sack Gerrard (and I’m still not sure that’s the right thing to do) we must go for a Pochetino type appointment. Another side ways appointment such as Potter will see us in the same position this time next season with the same meltdown on here. It’s also gonna take time, not half a season and five games of the next. I think at least 3 windows as a minimum.
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Rogers or ideally Pochettino would be excellent. We should move quickly and be ruthless. I really hope behind the scenes they are being proactive and not just letting us stumble through the next few games to see if Gerrard can muster up a glimpse of recovery. Surely we’ve seen enough?
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We haven't gone big on a manager and had it work out since we poached Brian Little from Leicester in November 1994. Ok, arguably MON in 2006 was a good appointment but he didn't win anything (or make top 4).
The reason we have had such a barren recent history? It's not rocket science. We have to go big on a manager.
Think MON hadn't worked for a year before we appointed him, so I'd say that was less 'poaching.' But yes, agree, going after a major manager in post isn't something we tend to do.
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Bo Svensson. Danish manager of Mainz 05.
Played under both Klopp and Tuchel and has Mainz in the top half of the Bundesliga.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/01/bo-svensson-gatecrashing-the-bundesliga/
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Bo Svensson. Danish manager of Mainz 05.
Played under both Klopp and Tuchel and has Mainz in the top half of the Bundesliga.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/01/bo-svensson-gatecrashing-the-bundesliga/
Would be another punt. We don't need punts. We need proven class.
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It doesn't matter who we get. Even if it was Bela Guttmann, Arrigo Sacchi, Helenio Herrera or Brian Clough we'd drag 'em down to our level and kill their careers stone dead.
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I just don’t care anymore, just get whoever in and actually get it right this time please.
I would just like to enjoy going to the games again, it’s a chore now and the only good parts are the pre match drinks and chats. I think there’s every chance someone else can have my season ticket next year…..
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We are not going to get Mancini before world cup, but he would be my choice
Hodgson in a holding/damage limitation role until then
Italy didn’t qualify IIRC
Maybe he has a TV job
shows how much I follow international football
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Bo Svensson. Danish manager of Mainz 05.
Played under both Klopp and Tuchel and has Mainz in the top half of the Bundesliga.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/01/bo-svensson-gatecrashing-the-bundesliga/
Would be another punt. We don't need punts. We need proven class.
We don’t need punts we need points!
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Poch, Potter, Bo Svensson.
I'd love to see Simeone in this league with us, but it won't happen.
Hassenhuttl would be too much of a risk in terms of his spotty record at Sourhampton. Not Rodgers, Bielsa or Lampard!
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Any love for ex-Doghead Nuno? Ticks the box of Premier League experience, and did well to get Wolves up and to seventh in the Premier League twice. Negatives are the formation that he likes to play and that he'd probably need an entirely new squad to work that formation.
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Nuno is nada without Mendes.
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Isn't that the cap badge motto of the Royal Kyhber Rifles?
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The problem is that like political careers, all football managerial careers end in failure and the sack, with the notable exceptions being Fergie and Wenger
So whoever we appoint will have failed at some stage in his managerial career
It’s really just a lottery and hopefully, for once we get lucky
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Isn't that the cap badge motto of the Royal Kyhber Rifles?
Brave, brave lads.
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Isn't that the cap badge motto of the Royal Kyhber Rifles?
Cap Brian? I thought Khybers were famous fir their turbans?
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
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Surely now is the time to give Dwight Yorke his chance?
That's certainly what Dwight Yorke will be thinking.
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On a positive note I congratulate Drummond on starting this thread. We are already moving on from StevieG. We just need the owners and CEO to catch up
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Any love for ex-Doghead Nuno? Ticks the box of Premier League experience, and did well to get Wolves up and to seventh in the Premier League twice. Negatives are the formation that he likes to play and that he'd probably need an entirely new squad to work that formation.
Hell no. Five at the back boring bastard.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
It's this sort of pathetic mindset that sees us appoint shite like Gerrard.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
It's this sort of pathetic mindset that sees us appoint shite like Gerrard.
Agreed. If the owners want to fill a 50,000 plus stadium they need to think big.
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We need someone who can unite the fanbase; someone with a demonstrable track record of high level experience/success; someone we will be patient with as the club rebuilds; someone who can attract the high calibre of player to get us where we want to be. For me, that's not a Potter or a Rodgers, we have to go big and bring in a world class manager to move this club forward.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
I could give you millions of reasons why he might.
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Hope to god it's not Rodgers. He's a busted flush imo, and has the same spiky persona as the current incumbent.
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Rodgers, spiky? Seems that he's held his tongue against the backdrop of not being given funds this summer.
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I've never gone down the "Offer manager X £Y a year and he'll take it" - if it was that simple every club would do it - but if and when Gerrard goes, forget promising and did all right at Brighton/Bournemouth/Burnley and scour the world for the biggest name going. There has never been a more pressing need for a statement of intent.
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Any love for ex-Doghead Nuno? Ticks the box of Premier League experience, and did well to get Wolves up and to seventh in the Premier League twice. Negatives are the formation that he likes to play and that he'd probably need an entirely new squad to work that formation.
Hell no. Five at the back boring bastard.
I'll admit I did think twice before posting this based on your likely reaction! I'm not for one minute advocating him, I just think it's strange that a manager who achieved what he did with Wolves, which was pretty good all things considered, is now managing in Saudi Arabia and never seems to get mentioned when a Premier League job is advertised. They're probably paying him a billion quid a day, mind.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
I could give you millions of reasons why he might.
I will give you 4 or 5 reasons he won’t, that within a year he will receive that many better opportunities.
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Rodgers, spiky? Seems that he's held his tongue against the backdrop of not being given funds this summer.
Yep, dour is the word I’d use rather than spiky.
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
It's this sort of pathetic mindset that sees us appoint shite like Gerrard.
It's not mindset it is realism. When was the last time a non British, champions league manager joined Aston Villa?
All I'm saying is we can throw names around all we like but the top managers will go to teams to further their careers, not to do us a favour in our hour of need. Even if we were to pull something off like Ancelotti to Everton, they'd be off like him when the next big job came along.
If it is a free for all I think we should go for Pep. Let's think big.
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Manchini would be very interesting and high profile. And with Italy not going to the WC this might be the time. Pochettino for me though. Rodgers then maybe Potter.
Don’t we need a poll?
Any of those 4 would be a massive improvement on the current Scouse Sherwood
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Rodgers, spiky? Seems that he's held his tongue against the backdrop of not being given funds this summer.
Yep, dour is the word I’d use rather than spiky.
According to the Leicester messageboard, he’s upset more players than any other manager!
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I've never gone down the "Offer manager X £Y a year and he'll take it" - if it was that simple every club would do it - but if and when Gerrard goes, forget promising and did all right at Brighton/Bournemouth/Burnley and scour the world for the biggest name going. There has never been a more pressing need for a statement of intent.
This. I’m sick of the did ok at whatever, sick of hearing about the usual suspects. Get a successful gaffer and coaching team in. No projects, no curveballs. Why are we so consistently shit at this?
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Pochettino. No more "he'll do" appointments.
He would never take it in a million years he's ambition is champions league. Similarly for Potter why would he take a high risk job when he's settled at Brighton and likely to be England manager once Southgate messes up at the world cup?
It's this sort of pathetic mindset that sees us appoint shite like Gerrard.
It's not mindset it is realism. When was the last time a non British, champions league manager joined Aston Villa?
It's never happened, that's the problem. We need to sort it out.
We need an appointment that will shake up the rest of football, and the dismally low ambitions of some of our own fans judging by your posts.
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I think our problem is that we're still behaving like a newly-promoted club. Be careful, don't got your hopes up and be grateful if we finish higher than last season.
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Your grasp with reality is limited, we can't just click our fingers, throw some money and assume things will happen and you offer no evidence that it would other than blind optimism.
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I think our problem is that we're still behaving like a newly-promoted club. Be careful, don't got your hopes up and be grateful if we finish higher than last season.
Yes. We need to change that mentality, but sadly with the start we have had, we are going to be in a full relegation battle all season.
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Your grasp with reality is limited, we can't just click our fingers, throw some money and assume things will happen and you offer no evidence that it would other than blind optimism.
There isn’t “evidence” for or against, how could there be?
Our aim should be try for the best available not just assume that we have no chance.
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Your grasp with reality is limited, we can't just click our fingers, throw some money and assume things will happen and you offer no evidence that it would other than blind optimism.
There isn’t “evidence” for or against, how could there be?
Our aim should be try for the best available not just assume that we have no chance.
Agreed the best available who is willing to come.
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On a positive note I congratulate Drummond on starting this thread. We are already moving on from StevieG. We just need the owners and CEO to catch up
Thanks.
It's just time.
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Leon Bailey's dad - he tweets one hell of a game! And definitely appears to have more tactical acumen than Stevie G.
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I've never gone down the "Offer manager X £Y a year and he'll take it" - if it was that simple every club would do it - but if and when Gerrard goes, forget promising and did all right at Brighton/Bournemouth/Burnley and scour the world for the biggest name going. There has never been a more pressing need for a statement of intent.
Exactly. We are a big club, with ambitious and wealthy owners in the best league in the world. Now is the time to go for it.
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Leon Bailey's dad - he tweets one hell of a game! And definitely appears to have more tactical acumen than Steven G.
Leon Bailey's dad should shut the fuck up because his son doesn't have the heart for the battle that's needed to win the ball in the Premier League, he hid so much on the pitch last night, world hide and seek champion.
I'd sell him like a shot. Bad attitude, bad vibes.
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Your grasp with reality is limited, we can't just click our fingers, throw some money and assume things will happen and you offer no evidence that it would other than blind optimism.
It isn't blind optimism. It's based on us being one of the biggest and, more importantly, richest clubs in the league that everybody wants to be in. If Everton can appoint Ancelotti we can at least have a good try to get someone of Pochettino's calibre rather than shrugging our shoulders and accepting the next Gerrard/Garde/Sherwood no mark. That approach only means we will be having another new manager thread this time next year.
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I think our problem is that we're still behaving like a newly-promoted club. Be careful, don't got your hopes up and be grateful if we finish higher than last season.
Yes. We need to change that mentality, but sadly with the start we have had, we are going to be in a full relegation battle all season.
Get the right manager in and we'll soon shift up that table. If we stick with Gerrard in the way we stuck with, say, McLeish, we'll certainly be in a relegation battle all season and the rot will set in. Everything at the Club is moving in the right direction, all we need is to get the manager call right. It's a relatively simple fix as far as I can see.
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From Athletic
How Aston Villa’s start has gone so wrong
The most frustrating part of Aston Villa’s dismal start to this season is that, for once, there was no major obstacle in the way.
No departing star player, no shortage of funds, and no difficulty recruiting. If anything, this team was almost ready for lift-off. The early signings gave manager Steven Gerrard and his coaching team plenty of time to work on shape, formation and the development of a winning formula.
But five games into the season, the mood has turned sour. Villa are 19th after losing 2-1 to Arsenal where at least an improved second-half performance gave the struggling side something to build on.
There is no lack of effort or energy or desire but each week there is a new problem.
At the Emirates, it was the missing defensive details. Against West Ham United, it was the lack of creativity. At Bournemouth, it was struggling to deal with set pieces and at Crystal Palace, it was pretty much everything.
Villa have developed a habit of conceding quickly after scoring. It has happened on three different occasions this season and captain John McGinn admits: “We need to be more streetwise,” before conceding: “It is not going to turn overnight.”
Clearly, though, time is of the essence, especially for Gerrard. When asked if he was concerned for his future, he said: “Of course. If I said I wasn’t concerned, you’d look at me as if I was from a different planet.”
So how did it get to this so quickly and where do Villa go from here?
Transfer deadline day is usually a quiet place at Bodymoor Heath because owners Nassef Sawiris, Wes Edens (NSWE) and chief executive Christian Purslow pride themselves on having their business wrapped up long before the late trolley dash.
This year, it is different, partly because the £26million ($30.2m) summer signing Diego Carlos sustained a lengthy injury and now a centre-back replacement is needed.
There is also room for additions in midfield or attack but signing more players for the sake of it will not cure the problems
Whether Villa could have been more ambitious with their summer spending — or if they will complete any unexpected late business today — can be debated at length. The bottom line is that investment in the playing squad over the past three years has been huge and right now they are underperforming.
Villa have lost four of their first five games and are yet to show any clear signs of improvement.
If losing to Arsenal felt bad then that opening-day defeat at Bournemouth now cuts deep. Bournemouth, who sacked head coach Scott Parker this week, have not scored in the four league games that have followed that 2-0 victory over Villa.
Other side stories paint a bleak picture.
There are unhappy players — not so wound up that they are rowing with Gerrard, but more annoyed at not playing or fitting into a system that is not bringing out their best qualities.
Philippe Coutinho is badly out of form. He is yet to score or set up a goal this season and has created just three chances for his team-mates.
John McGinn, given the captaincy for the season, is not that same free spirit and appears to be restricted in midfield and Emi Buendia cannot get going.
Leon Bailey’s father and agent, Craig Butler, has questioned why the winger isn’t starting more often, and says he “didn’t go to England for this”. He played the full 90 minutes at Arsenal and was ineffective.
Danny Ings and Ollie Watkins are still failing to fully work as a partnership; Tyrone Mings has had a difficult stop-start month through injury and illness and the full-backs Matty Cash and Lucas Digne — who have so much attacking emphasis placed upon them — have struggled to find the right balance.
Some insiders believe the coaching is not as detailed as last season when Michael Beale, now the manager of Queens Park Rangers, was providing the instructions. The bad run of form cannot be put down to Beale’s absence, though — Villa won only two of their last 11 games when he was around last season. Gerrard was also thrilled to land Neil Critchley, the Blackpool manager, to take on Beale’s role.
Neither can the loss of Diego Carlos be used as an excuse. Villa are an established Premier League club with big ambitions so the squad should be strong enough to deal with one setback.
It is why there is now anger and despair in the stands.
Supporters are vexed with the predicament and booed the players off the pitch after the last home game.
Criticism of players has become frequent and personal, especially at away games where family members and friends have argued with supporters after hearing remarks that have stepped over the line.
Just last month McGinn, a player with so much previous credit in the bank, was serenaded by supporters in Australia as Villa released their away kit during a pre-season tour. Now he is the subject of intense criticism.
This season has already become a slog and for some, travelling on the road is tedious. Villa have lost four of their past five away games.
It is not much better at home, either. Under Gerrard, Villa have never won back-to-back Premier League games at Villa Park.
With season ticket prices increasing over the summer — the cheapest was pushed up by more than 40 per cent — there is further fuel for the fire when it goes wrong.
It may appear to some outside of the claret and blue bubble that Villa fans are not fully appreciative of what they have. This was a club literally hours away from administration only four years ago and facing a transfer embargo in the Championship. Yet now they boast an expensively-assembled squad, a state-of-the-art performance centre at Bodymoor Heath and soon the North Stand will be rebuilt with a multi-functioning entertainment hub replacing the dated surrounding area of the stadium.
But those at the top at Villa have not been afraid to give themselves the big sell and that is the reason for such lofty expectations.
When Sawiris and Edens celebrated promotion into the Premier League in 2019, they said the “sky is the limit”.
Gerrard himself was telling players over the summer that a top-seven finish was the aim, and Purslow continues to strive towards the aim of becoming at least the “best of the rest” behind Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur.
Purslow clearly stated the reason why he sacked Dean Smith last November after a bad run of form stretching across the calendar year.
“We have not seen the continuous improvement in results, performances and league position which we have all been looking for,” he said in a statement after Smith had picked up 39 points from his 35 Premier League games in 2021.
So supporters are now starting to ask: how long is it before Gerrard is judged on the same metrics?
Villa would have finished ninth if the season had started when Gerrard took over with 27 games remaining.
Add in this season’s results and Villa are 10th in the table based on games starting from November 19, the day Gerrard started.
It does not sound that bad but look at the progress made at Newcastle United and Brighton & Hove Albion, who have kicked on ahead of Villa over the past nine months.
They are well-drilled, well-organised, forward-thinking, and getting closer to becoming a match for the big boys. Villa, meanwhile, are nowhere near that top-six elite, not with their points tally, or in games against them. The defeat at Arsenal showed that in full light because had the home side taken their chances, the winning margin would have been much greater.
Coincidentally, after the September 16 game against Southampton — the club that inflicted the final blow on Smith — Gerrard will have taken charge of 35 games, the same amount as Smith had in his last calendar year at the club.
Gerrard’s record from 32 games is 38 points.
If there’s no sign of “continuous improvement” soon then NSWE and Purslow will have a big decision to make because another season is in danger of slipping away. The next three games are crucial for Gerrard but it might get worse before it gets better — champions Manchester City are up next.
“I don’t think one good result will make everything rosy in the garden,” Gerrard admitted this week.
He also understands why the supporters are booing. “It’s down to us not starting the season really well,” he adds. “It’s a brutal league.”
Finding a fix in the days ahead is the only way this ends well.
It is not so long ago that Gerrard’s words from a champagne-soaked Etihad Stadium on the final game of last season gave supporters so much hope for this season.
Villa had just surrendered a two-goal lead to give Manchester City the title and Gerrard — disappointed that he could not do his old club Liverpool a favour but more importantly record a coming-of-age win for his Villa side — promised better times were around the corner.
“I assure all of them that we will work tirelessly in the coming weeks and months to be better prepared for next season.”
It is not too late to get that going but the clock is ticking.
(Top photo: Chloe Knott – Danehouse/Getty Images)
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I think our problem is that we're still behaving like a newly-promoted club. Be careful, don't got your hopes up and be grateful if we finish higher than last season.
Yes. We need to change that mentality, but sadly with the start we have had, we are going to be in a full relegation battle all season.
Get the right manager in and we'll soon shift up that table. If we stick with Gerrard in the way we stuck with, say, McLeish, we'll certainly be in a relegation battle all season and the rot will set in. Everything at the Club is moving in the right direction, all we need is to get the manager call right. It's a relatively simple fix as far as I can see.
We had a much better start under McLeish. Much better.
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We had a much better start under McLeish. Much better.
True, which highlights even more the trouble we might be in, this season, if we stick with SG.
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We had a much better start under McLeish. Much better.
True, which highlights even more the trouble we might be in, this season, if we stick with SG.
No might about it, we´re in a world of shit if we don't get rid of him soon. (ie before Leicester.)
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I truly hate that once again we are having to have discussions about a new manager. Not because the one we have is ace and is going on to grander things. But because he's shit. Fuck Villa. Whenever it happens, and Gerrard gets the boot, please fucking get the next one right.
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Read an interview with Billic recently, came over well. Did well at West Ham and played decent football at West Brom too.
Obviously would rather Poch came in, but could be decent option.
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I truly hate that once again we are having to have discussions about a new manager. Not because the one we have is ace and is going on to grander things. But because he's shit. Fuck Villa. Whenever it happens, and Gerrard gets the boot, please fucking get the next one right.
I think it's brutally difficult to get it right - I guess thats why managers come and go so fast in the game generally. But i said at the time SG was appointed, and still stand by it - the basic resume of a manager qualified to at least be given a chance at the Villa job should reach a far higher bar than SG. That was my problem all along - it could have worked - but the risk was off the charts it would not - and sadly for all of the worst fears have been realized.
Lots of names are being bandied around - I just want a manager who passes some basic tests:
1. Has top flight football experience - it's absolutely vital - in one of the 4 big / proper leagues - PL, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga
2. Has accredited coaching qualifications - and actually coaches on the training ground
3. Is a people manager - all the top managers recognize EQ is as important in the modern game as tactical IQ
Get these basics right, and while there is no guarantee, the risks reduce.
2.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
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We need a coach with an idea of how to best use the squad we have. Currently we are trying to fit square pegs into round holes with no sign of any improvement. I just don’t get why we are waiting and wasting time.
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1. Has top flight football experience - it's absolutely vital - in one of the 4 big / proper leagues - PL, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga
Whiskey Nose and Wenger, to name but two, didn't have that experience when they started. Just saying.
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Right now, my money would be on us moving to appoint a stop gap manager, charged with a brief to keep us up this season.
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Right now, my money would be on us moving to appoint a stop gap manager, charged with a brief to keep us up this season.
Keeping us up? Bit drastic really.
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Surely now is the time to give Dwight Yorke his chance?
That's certainly what Dwight Yorke will be thinking.
Well, it's up to him.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
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Right now, my money would be on us moving to appoint a stop gap manager, charged with a brief to keep us up this season.
Remi?
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Right now, my money would be on us moving to appoint a stop gap manager, charged with a brief to keep us up this season.
Are you serious? We’ve played four games.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
Both should be serious contenders. I love what Amorim has done at Sporting, he's turned the club completely around from also rans to serious challengers/Champions in such a short time. It's difficult to explain just what a job he's done there; obviously Sporting have an amazing Academy but so many coaches have failed to delivery, they really are the Villa of Portugal.
I respect Sergio but Porto is a much easier club to coach due to the way they're run from the top down. They annually lose their best players so there needs to be a clever coach to make the transition seamless. Expectations are also extremely high, they're not only expected to win the league, national cups but also advance to at least the group stages in the CL.
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Right now, my money would be on us moving to appoint a stop gap manager, charged with a brief to keep us up this season.
Are you serious? We’ve played four games.
Five
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We're 19th, have taken 12 points from the last 16 games, are averaging 1ppg since Boxing Day, and seem a disjointed mess. As shit as it is to say, I think having concerns about how bad this season could be are justified.
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We're 19th, have taken 12 points from the last 16 games, are averaging 1ppg since Boxing Day, and seem a disjointed mess. As shit as it is to say, I think having concerns about how bad this season could be are justified.
I understand that, but getting in a short term appointment to “stave off” relegation is a bit daft.
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Well yes, it's not exactly Allardyce time.
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I'm not asking for much, absolutely anyone would be better than fucking Ironside, though I'm sure we could tempt a big enough name if we threw enough dough at them. Need to do something along the lines of when we tempted BFR down the M1 or that time we coaxed MON away from watching his Murder She Wrote and Diagnosis Murder videos.
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Well yes, it's not exactly Allardyce time.
I mean if we count back 38 games I’d say it’s not looking very rosey. This form isn’t new or temporary. This is our level with this squad managed by Gerrard.
Every game Gerrard remains is another wasted game on this ridiculous narrow system
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Sure, but that doesn't mean we are doomed to relegation unless we appoint some rhubarb-faced Bear Grylls/Sam Allardyce hybrid Survival Czar as a previous poster implied.
Howe got Newcastle from as good as down to miles clear within about three months. Any new Villa manager would have plenty of time to steer us well clear of the bottom three while planning for brighter seasons ahead.
Hitting the panic button and appointing some temporary fix is just a guarantee of being back here looking for another new manager before too long. We need someone with a vision for competing with the very best.
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Don’t want Rodgers. That would be underwhelming.
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Poch
Left field, Marcelo Gallardo
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Poch
Left field, Marcelo Gallardo
Good shout. Long been talked up as a good coach. Basically Poch without the experience in the PL.
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Poch
Left field, Marcelo Gallardo
Good shout. Long been talked up as a good coach. Basically Poch without the experience in the PL.
Anyone mentioned Wenger yet?
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Anyone decent and experienced at a high level.
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No quotes or pictures from manager or CEO after the signings. Will be interesting if there's anything today. If not it surely must mean the clubs is sacking Gerrard.
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We're 19th, have taken 12 points from the last 16 games, are averaging 1ppg since Boxing Day, and seem a disjointed mess. As shit as it is to say, I think having concerns about how bad this season could be are justified.
I understand that, but getting in a short term appointment to “stave off” relegation is a bit daft.
But…..this is exactly is how it starts.
Club drops into the bottom 3. A little gap starts to open. Within 10 games you are 5-6 points off safety. Confidence takes a battering. Every game is vital with pressure building and building. It becomes a self perpetuating battle. By Christmas you are in a relegation fight.
You have to recognise the signs that the team is going struggle as early as possible and do something about it.
That doesn’t mean mean hope the manager is going to hit on a miraculous run of form or results, especially when that manager has shown no ability to get a performance or any consistency from the team.
Virtually 12 months into his managership, with an incredibly poor points return, the team looking in disarray…..the club HAS to take decisive action before it’s too late.
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We're 19th, have taken 12 points from the last 16 games, are averaging 1ppg since Boxing Day, and seem a disjointed mess. As shit as it is to say, I think having concerns about how bad this season could be are justified.
I understand that, but getting in a short term appointment to “stave off” relegation is a bit daft.
But…..this is exactly is how it starts.
Club drops into the bottom 3. A little gap starts to open. Within 10 games you are 5-6 points off safety. Confidence takes a battering. Every game is vital with pressure building and building. It becomes a self perpetuating battle. By Christmas you are in a relegation fight.
You have to recognise the signs that the team is going struggle as early as possible and do something about it.
That doesn’t mean mean hope the manager is going to hit on a miraculous run of form or results, especially when that manager has shown no ability to get a performance or any consistency from the team.
Virtually 12 months into his managership, with an incredibly poor points return, the team looking in disarray…..the club HAS to take decisive action before it’s too late.
Yeo. Like Spurs did when they binned Nuno. And Newcastle and Benitez. It'a all about getting the right manager now.
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Unfortunately I can see us letting it drift, Purslow's got too much to lose. We'll lose to City but I reckon we'll beat either Leicester or Southampton (not sure how yet) and he'll get a bit more time with the usual speak of getting the new players up to speed etc.
Then before you know it we're 5 games further down the line looking just as shite as now.
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If he gets 4 points from the next three games he'll limp on. We all know how unforgiving the PL is though. Following the break:
Leeds A
Forest A
Chelsea H
Fulham A
Brentford H
Away games at mid-table teams. Not as daunting as it could be - even in our current state there could be 6 points from those 5 - which will be just keep our heads above water (if we get 4 in the next 3).
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If he gets 4 points from the next three games he'll limp on. We all know how unforgiving the PL is though. Following the break:
Leeds A
Forest A
Chelsea H
Fulham A
Brentford H
Away games at mid-table teams. Not as daunting as it could be - even in our current state there could be 6 points from those 5 - which will be just keep our heads above water (if we get 4 in the next 3).
Those five games look extremely winnable, which is the most annoying thing.
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Wouldn’t surprise me, regarding new players up to speed but there’s only likely to be Donk in first team and he had all summer to integrate his other new signings and that was hardly a roaring success.
If we’ve got anything about us we’ll get rid after Saturday.
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If he gets 4 points from the next three games he'll limp on. We all know how unforgiving the PL is though. Following the break:
Leeds A
Forest A
Chelsea H
Fulham A
Brentford H
Away games at mid-table teams. Not as daunting as it could be - even in our current state there could be 6 points from those 5 - which will be just keep our heads above water (if we get 4 in the next 3).
I’d be bloody delighted if we got 4 points from the next 3 games!
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
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It would be soul crushing to be in 19th, sack the manager because of it, and then appoint the bloke in 20th.
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It would be soul crushing to be in 19th, sack the manager because of it, and then appoint the bloke in 20th.
Very Billy McNeill feel
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Although at least if we wait until we get beat by Leicester they'll probably be above us
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
Both should be serious contenders. I love what Amorim has done at Sporting, he's turned the club completely around from also rans to serious challengers/Champions in such a short time. It's difficult to explain just what a job he's done there; obviously Sporting have an amazing Academy but so many coaches have failed to delivery, they really are the Villa of Portugal.
I respect Sergio but Porto is a much easier club to coach due to the way they're run from the top down. They annually lose their best players so there needs to be a clever coach to make the transition seamless. Expectations are also extremely high, they're not only expected to win the league, national cups but also advance to at least the group stages in the CL.
I know it shouldn't matter Amorim is a bit young and, after a guy who clearly doesn't ahve the experience to manage at this level, I worry how much time he'd get before there were accusations of us making a mistake by going with another rookie.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
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Anyone with premier league experience who has enjoyed success at one or more of their clubs.
Poch
Rodgers
Potter
Any of those would be amazing.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
That might well be so but I have no problem with Gerrard coming from Scotland or the next coach coming from Portugal. As I've said elsewhere, I'd be happier still if Gerrard could figure things out but I believe he has run out of time.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
In fairness, it seems like all the best players come from Portugal these days, seems logical to think the best managers might too.
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I think a problem with Gerrard is he completely changed how Dean Smith had set the squad up.
We’ve gone from a team with width provided by winger and full backs to a narrow team where the width is, or seems to be, from the full back only and they are being left exposed when they’re that far forward.
He seems to be pushing a few square pegs into round holes, and it’s not working.
Making McGinn captain has to be his biggest mistake. I like McGinn, but he’s out of form and should be rested/dropped, but there’s no way he’ll be dropped as skipper.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
The difference is Gerrard had done nothing but manage one of the behemoths. Conceição has managed 6 clubs, including Nantes so not just in Portugal anyway. I've said many times now I was nervous of Gerrard because he'd never had to work a way out of a bad run, Conceição has been at clubs where he's had to experience that and that will have shaped him as a manager. In fact his 'journey' is exactly the sort that I'd want most managers to go through.
None of this is to say he'd be perfect but he's nothing like Gerrard.
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It would be soul crushing to be in 19th, sack the manager because of it, and then appoint the bloke in 20th.
While the current optics don't look great.. I'll take European football and an FA cup, though.
If he can do it with LC he can do it with us.
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I've said many times now I was nervous of Gerrard because he'd never had to work a way out of a bad run
He has now! :)
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Rodgers just feels wrong.
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I've said many times now I was nervous of Gerrard because he'd never had to work a way out of a bad run
He has now! :)
And his inexperience is showing. If he was as destined for greatness as some think he'd have fixed things and we'd be talking about challenging for Europe. As is he'll be sacked and, for his sake, hopefully he will have learnt from his mistakes.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
You needn't worry, I doubt neither are attainable for us right now. I was just 'throwing them in the pot' rather than recommending we sign them up tomorrow. Bruno Lage has far less experience (one season at Benfica) and success than the boy Amorim yet has done a surprisingly decent job at Wolves, all things considered.
As somebody mentioned earlier, we need to search far and wide to find the right person. Rather than limit our search by geography we should look for anybody that ideally has or at least the potential to manage a big club. More than anything, it comes down to the coaching. Good coaches can adapt to any country. Shit ones, well it's there in front of you, at least this week.
For the record, I'd rather keep Gerrard than hire Rodgers.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
You needn't worry, I doubt neither are attainable for us right now. I was just 'throwing them in the pot' rather than recommending we sign them up tomorrow. Bruno Lage has far less experience (one season at Benfica) and success than the boy Amorim yet has done a surprisingly decent job at Wolves, all things considered.
As somebody mentioned earlier, we need to search far and wide to find the right person. Rather than limit our search by geography we should look for anybody that ideally has or at least the potential to manage a big club. More than anything, it comes down to the coaching. Good coaches can adapt to any country. Shit ones, well it's there in front of you, at least this week.
For the record, I'd rather keep Gerrard than hire Rodgers.
On what grounds? Honest question..
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Rodgers, spiky? Seems that he's held his tongue against the backdrop of not being given funds this summer.
That’s because he largely wasted the vast majority of the funds he was given previously
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
I'd take Conceição, big name, plays good football from what I've seen and has plenty of experience whilst still being young enough to be 'up-to-date'.
I don't have the slightest idea about either one but if it means no Rodgers, I'm in.
One of the main criticisms of Gerrard is that he only managed in Scotland, yet we're now suggesting a manager from the Portuguese league instead? Exactly the same thing applies, two or three behemoths and the rest made up of small Championship/League One or Two sized teams.
You needn't worry, I doubt neither are attainable for us right now. I was just 'throwing them in the pot' rather than recommending we sign them up tomorrow. Bruno Lage has far less experience (one season at Benfica) and success than the boy Amorim yet has done a surprisingly decent job at Wolves, all things considered.
As somebody mentioned earlier, we need to search far and wide to find the right person. Rather than limit our search by geography we should look for anybody that ideally has or at least the potential to manage a big club. More than anything, it comes down to the coaching. Good coaches can adapt to any country. Shit ones, well it's there in front of you, at least this week.
For the record, I'd rather keep Gerrard than hire Rodgers.
On what grounds? Honest question..
Because, in my view, it would be another sideways move rather than a forward one. Neither Rodgers or Potter are sufficiently improvements on either Gerrard or Smith
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
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I've said many times now I was nervous of Gerrard because he'd never had to work a way out of a bad run
He has now! :)
And his inexperience is showing. If he was as destined for greatness as some think he'd have fixed things and we'd be talking about challenging for Europe. As is he'll be sacked and, for his sake, hopefully he will have learnt from his mistakes.
Inexperience has nothing to do with the way he has been managing. He is mind bogglingly awful. Most of us on here wouldn’t keep making the same howlers time and time again.
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For the record, I'd rather keep Gerrard than hire Rodgers.
On what grounds? Honest question..
We can get rid of Gerrard any time we want. If we hire Rodgers we're stuck with him.
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I doubt we’d get Pochettino (we should at least try), but I struggle to understand how anyone could think that either Rodgers or Potter wouldn’t realistically be better options than Gerrard.
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
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I doubt we’d get Pochettino (we should at least try), but I struggle to understand how anyone could think that either Rodgers or Potter wouldn’t realistically be better options than Gerrard.
Potter yes, Rodgers no. I think you'd struggle to find a fan of his current or former clubs that have a good word to say about him, least of all his transfer dealings. His number one fan is himself. His best days were at Swansea riding on the coat tails of Jackett, Martinez and Sousa. He's not even loved at Celtic despite winning so much. the more I find out about him the more I'm convinced his days are over.
I'd like some quality for a change and Pochettino seems the obvious choice. He wants to return to the PL and I think with the squad and owners we have, he'd be interested.
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I don't see the appeal of Rodgers, I've always thought he was a bit of a twat but in the last 13-14 months he's taken an FA cup winning team from 5th to being worse than we are.
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
My hope is that two Hollywood A list actresses decide to pop round to mine for a threesome, and that’s about as likely.
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
My hope is that two Hollywood A list actresses decide to pop round to mine for a threesome, and that’s about as likely.
Will you be putting the video on bluetube ?
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
My hope is that two Hollywood A list actresses decide to pop round to mine for a threesome, and that’s about as likely.
Will you be putting the video on bluetube ?
More likely that it'll be on Snapchat.
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
My hope is that two Hollywood A list actresses decide to pop round to mine for a threesome, and that’s about as likely.
Will you be putting the video on bluetube ?
More likely that it'll be on Snapchat.
Thing is a couple of lookers like that don't want to sit and chat about villa they want some action. Think he might have to call in the real men.
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Next weeks Trust AGM is cancelled, maybe because Purslow pulled out. Hopefully not because he doesn’t want to answer awkward questions but because he will be busy flying to wherever to talk to Pochettino🤔
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
My hope is that two Hollywood A list actresses decide to pop round to mine for a threesome, and that’s about as likely.
Rita Moreno and Zhao Shuzhen are in my taxi, they can’t remember your address so let me know where you want them?
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I don't see the appeal of Rodgers, I've always thought he was a bit of a twat but in the last 13-14 months he's taken an FA cup winning team from 5th to being worse than we are.
They won the FA Cup under him. And twice finished 5th. And are Leicester effing City. So that's something.
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Not saying Rodgers is a messiah or anything, but it does seem like more is going wrong than just him there, and he does have a good record in the division.
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I thought Rodgers a good choice, he has always been respectful about us.
Those Foxes have other issues, selling everyone they can and expecting same results, they had a couple of fantastic/freak seasons that they should be grateful for but were never going to be a football Dynasty
Now I am not sure about him, could be a three year cycle that gets us on the shoulder of the top four ?
But unless we have an investment strategy in players that is more aggressive than the last two windows that is probably as good as it gets.
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Not saying Rodgers is a messiah or anything, but it does seem like more is going wrong than just him there, and he does have a good record in the division.
Yeah that's how I feel. He's a proper manager, not like the current bloke who was only appointed due to his playing career.
Still don't want him though. Pocho Pocho Man. It's got to be... a Pocho Man. If we all sing that tomorrow, after the Leander of the Gang song, it's bound to happen.
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Not saying Rodgers is a messiah or anything, but it does seem like more is going wrong than just him there, and he does have a good record in the division.
Yeah that's how I feel. He's a proper manager, not like the current bloke who was only appointed due to his playing career.
Still don't want him though. Pocho Pocho Man. It's got to be... a Pocho Man. If we all sing that tomorrow, after the Leander of the Gang song, it's bound to happen.
Ha ha
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my hope is Gerrard makes it work.
Seconded.
Well obviously we want any manager of AVFC to succeed. The question is, can they? In Steeeviiee G's current situation...it's not looking great
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Rodgers just feels wrong.
Maybe right manager wrong time.
If he leaves struggling Leicester/ gets booted in the next few weeks he's on a massive downer and that can spill into the next gig. Shades of McNeill. Though - in fairness - he has more in his locker tactically than Billy McBingo.
Potch as candidate numero uno - if everything aligns and he doesn't hold out for a gig with a top rank Euro club or one the next step down.
The timing with Mancini might be more suitable for all concerned. That's the calibre of manager we should be approaching. Success at this level. Has managed big clubs across Europe but has taken less obvious gigs as well. It probably would mean a return to Villa Park for David Platt, mind. Not sure how I feel about that.
Nuno was potted early doors at Tottingham, but he somehow got the Tatters into Europe. Playing decent football as they did it. Three at the back merchant though. Might not go down too well with some.
As a leftfield candidate, Didier Six was coaching the Guinea national team as recently as June last year. He might finally help to integrate the French lads if nowt else. Bring him home.
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Rodgers' NET spend since he took over at Leicester is £17m across three six transfer windows. He's been there since Feb 2019. He's spent money, but really only that earned by selling his best players for big money three times. Imagine us selling a Grealish every 18 months? To say he's managed that club with one hand tied behind his back would be a bit of an understatement. He inherited a team in 12th, so it's not like he was handed the reins to a team challenging at the top end of the table.
I think he's done a good job there. Obviously it's all turning to shit right now, but I'll be interested to see what happens now the window has closed and the speculation around some of their better players has ended (the ones who stayed, obv). I know it's always easy to see the positives in other sides and not your own, but I think Leicester are MUCH better than their current position, and will be mid-table come the world cup. In their first five games they've played Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.
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Rodgers' NET spend since he took over at Leicester is £17m across three six transfer windows. He's been there since Feb 2019. He's spent money, but really only that earned by selling his best players for big money three times. Imagine us selling a Grealish every 18 months? To say he's managed that club with one hand tied behind his back would be a bit of an understatement. He inherited a team in 12th, so it's not like he was handed the reins to a team challenging at the top end of the table.
I think he's done a good job there. Obviously it's all turning to shit right now, but I'll be interested to see what happens now the window has closed and the speculation around some of their better players has ended (the ones who stayed, obv). I know it's always easy to see the positives in other sides and not your own, but I think Leicester are MUCH better than their current position, and will be mid-table come the world cup. In their first five games they've played Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.
Yes.
If we need to bin him off in 2-3 years, well, that's true of anyone, and a sign of a job well done.
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Rodgers bought so much crap he can't get rid of them without doing a MON. Spent millions but couldn't face losing them as it would demonstrate what crap he bought.
He'll probably resign tomorrow.
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Oh and he did the same at Celtic.
No love lost.
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Rodgers has done better at Leicester than anyone has done at Villa for 40 years. But apparently he's no better than Gerrard.
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As good as it sounds, I just feel that talk of Pochettino and Mancini is completely unrealistic. We were in a better position last time we were recruiting and got someone with nowhere near that type of pedigree.
Newcastle were in a similar situation to us and even with all the potential riches they have, they appointed Eddie Howe. He's been a good fit for what they needed though and that is what we will need if Gerrard leaves. Brendan Rodgers would fit that bill for me.
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Would you trust the present management with finding a new manager?
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Poch first, then Rodgers for me.
I like Potter but feel he might need time that we haven’t got.
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Poch first, then Rodgers for me.
I like Potter but feel he might need time that we haven’t got.
I’d ask Mancini after poch, but otherwise agree.
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Rodgers bought so much crap he can't get rid of them without doing a MON. Spent millions but couldn't face losing them as it would demonstrate what crap he bought.
He'll probably resign tomorrow.
Hopefully Lange negates against this risk. Rodgers has been a solid/good manager for 10 years or so, my concern is whether he’d still have the hunger. He seems broken at the moment.
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I actually don't think Mancini necessarily has it at club level anymore. It's a different game, especially re amount of detail you've got to go into, and doing well with the national team (and, to be honest, he has a violently mixed record there) doesn't translate easily.
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Regarding 3 at the back.
I don't care if we play 3, 5, 7, or 9 at the back, as long as we win more games than we lose.
Win
More
Games
A manager that can deliver on that gets my vote.
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Be nice to actually draw games as well occasionally, we must hold some kind of record for narrow defeats.
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I think a problem with Gerrard is he completely changed how Dean Smith had set the squad up.
We’ve gone from a team with width provided by winger and full backs to a narrow team where the width is, or seems to be, from the full back only and they are being left exposed when they’re that far forward.
He seems to be pushing a few square pegs into round holes, and it’s not working.
Yeah, think there's a lot of truth in this. No problem at all with picking a manager who plays a different system - I wouldn't want the club to be tied to one formation forever. However, Gerrard marks such a vast departure from the Smith style that it's caused major problems.
Appreciate it's absolutely speaking in hindsight, but I'm not paid a significant wage to get that decision right.
Whoever's brought in next should be appointed with the players we have now in mind, which probably means someone who's neither Gerrard (clearly not suited to the squad) or Smith (since we only have 1 proper winger on the books) in style.
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As good as it sounds, I just feel that talk of Pochettino and Mancini is completely unrealistic. We were in a better position last time we were recruiting and got someone with nowhere near that type of pedigree.
Newcastle were in a similar situation to us and even with all the potential riches they have, they appointed Eddie Howe. He's been a good fit for what they needed though and that is what we will need if Gerrard leaves. Brendan Rodgers would fit that bill for me.
Eddie Howe has done brilliantly at Newcastle, and is proving what a good coach he is.
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Howe has done well, but he’ll be ditched for someone foreign and more glamorous before long.
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
Sorry he’s not a big enough step up for what we need
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The club has to take action after the game today. I’m a big believer in giving managers time but this is such a mess and everyone can see it. Hopefully we’ve already got someone ready to come in, if not then this has the stench of relegation written all over it.
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Cue tonight’s argument after a heavy defeat…..well, it was Man City you can’t blame him for us losing to them.
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As good as it sounds, I just feel that talk of Pochettino and Mancini is completely unrealistic. We were in a better position last time we were recruiting and got someone with nowhere near that type of pedigree.
Newcastle were in a similar situation to us and even with all the potential riches they have, they appointed Eddie Howe. He's been a good fit for what they needed though and that is what we will need if Gerrard leaves. Brendan Rodgers would fit that bill for me.
Eddie Howe has done brilliantly at Newcastle, and is proving what a good coach he is.
Howe has done well, but he’ll be ditched for someone foreign and more glamorous before long.
Sadly, you’re probably right
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
Sorry he’s not a big enough step up for what we need
Probably not long-term, but he'd almost certainly get us moving in the right direction, then we can be a bit more picky when we're top 8-10 and not stinking the place out.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he'd be a good, getable option.
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Rodgers is a good coach and these players need a good coach.
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
Sorry he’s not a big enough step up for what we need
Probably not long-term, but he'd almost certainly get us moving in the right direction, then we can be a bit more picky when we're top 8-10 and not stinking the place out.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he'd be a good, getable option.
I hear what you’re saying but it’s that kind of thinking that got us Steve Bruce. If we’re gonna change manager now, then it’s now that we need a “Poch” type however much that costs.
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It doesn't matter how much it costs if he won't come.
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It doesn't matter how much it costs if he won't come.
Why??? I’m not actually suggesting Poch but somebody of that level but if the vast majority of people on this thread and others keep banging on about how big a club we are with owners who are rich and have massive ambition to take us to the top with a fabulous squad of players who are brilliant but just being coached wrongly, why is it that we can only attract a coach of Rodgers level???
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I think statements like that come directly as a result of the special brand of cognitive dissonance that engulfs the club. Someone like Carragher says we're lucky to have a big name like Gerrard at a small club like Villa and we all lose our shit but the next day we're not big enough to attract a decent manager. I wonder how many other clubs have the same issue.
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Howe has done well, but he’ll be ditched for someone foreign and more glamorous before long.
Howe is the Mark Hughes equivalent appointment at man city at the time.
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Howe has done well, but he’ll be ditched for someone foreign and more glamorous before long.
Howe is the Mark Hughes equivalent appointment at man city at the time.
Or, he might just grow with them and prove his potential at the very top level?
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Howe has done well, but he’ll be ditched for someone foreign and more glamorous before long.
Howe is the Mark Hughes equivalent appointment at man city at the time.
Or, he might just grow with them and prove his potential at the very top level?
He might well and I actually hope he does. But we all know that this won’t be the way it goes
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Rodgers has won more in England than Poch did.
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
Sorry he’s not a big enough step up for what we need
Probably not long-term, but he'd almost certainly get us moving in the right direction, then we can be a bit more picky when we're top 8-10 and not stinking the place out.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he'd be a good, getable option.
I agree Rodger’s would improve us and leave us in a better position
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I just hope that our next manager can unite the team and players again like Smith did.
I hope he brings Sanson and co in from the cold as there are some great players who haven’t had a chance.
And as a Villa fan, I just want to see us create and score goals again. Whilst keeping them out.
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I just hope that our next manager can unite the team and players again like Smith did.
I hope he brings Sanson and co in from the cold as there are some great players who haven’t had a chance.
And as a Villa fan, I just want to see us create and score goals again. Whilst keeping them out.
There again is the contradiction. First sentence Smith unites the team and players. Second sentence new manager to bring Sanson and co from the cold conveniently forgetting it was Smith that put them there in the first place
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Whatever happens it’s a big NO to Rodgers.
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Disagree. His bad start has been preceded by years of achievement.
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I just hope that our next manager can unite the team and players again like Smith did.
I hope he brings Sanson and co in from the cold as there are some great players who haven’t had a chance.
And as a Villa fan, I just want to see us create and score goals again. Whilst keeping them out.
There again is the contradiction. First sentence Smith unites the team and players. Second sentence new manager to bring Sanson and co from the cold conveniently forgetting it was Smith that put them there in the first place
Yep, Sanson and Guilbert are just getting the same treatement they did under Smith. I don't really understand it, but Gerrard hasn't created the issue. Let's not forget that Smith had also dropped Mings.
Pleyers are never happy when they're not winning games, and are much happier when they are.
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It's very much a catch 22 situation. Rodgers obviously would be a massive upgrade on Gerrard, however, don't expect miracles. He would have a hard job convincing prospective employees to come to VP.
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Not really a problem as that isn't part of his remit.
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Tuchel anyone?
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No five at the back merchants under any circumstances, please.
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No five at the back merchants under any circumstances, please.
I'm not a big fan of 5 at the back, but with the right wingbacks it can be incredibly attacking. The likes of Alonso, TAA, James, Chillwell etc are more wingers than defenders. Unfortunately Cash and Digne are not those fullbacks.
Truth is, the way Gerrard wants to play his fullbacks it would probably have suited us better than trying to drag our 8's back to cover defensively for players who are probably technically inferior going forward.
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Ah, he’s already being discussed in the Gerrard out thread. As you were.
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Poch for the money bags then!
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Rodgers is a massive step up on both Smith & Gerrard
Sorry he’s not a big enough step up for what we need
Probably not long-term, but he'd almost certainly get us moving in the right direction, then we can be a bit more picky when we're top 8-10 and not stinking the place out.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he'd be a good, getable option.
I agree Rodger’s would improve us and leave us in a better position
At present. I think most managers could improve us and leave us in a better position.
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Poch for the money bags then!
Apparently it could be Potter
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Likelihood of Poch to Villa discussed by punters.
https://tbrfootball.com/he-would-ornstein-says-manager-chelsea-reportedly-want-would-be-open-to-succeeding-gerrard-at-aston-villa/
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If we could get him then I really don't know why we wouldn't be stalking him until he signs. I'd want Lange sleeping in his underwear drawer.
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
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These are some of the latest runners in the Chelsea race.
I would take any of them (except Roberto Martinez).
If Potter does go there, we should move for Poch', and sell him the project, or vice versa.
Graham Potter - 5/6
Mauricio Pochettino - 4/1
Brendan Rodgers - 5/1
Zinedine Zidane - 9/1
Diego Simeone - 16/1
Massimilano Allegri - 16/1
Roberto Martinez - 16/1
Thomas Frank 20/1
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
Brighton started off like a train last season in a similar fashion to this, with four wins out of 5. They then didn't win again for 12 matches. They then won in 2 in 3 by beating Brentford and Everton, before going on another shit run with 1 win in 12. Basically between the end of September and the start of April they won 3 games. In that stretch they took 21 points from 25 games. Their season was made to look good by an excellent start and finish, but for ⅔ of the season they were absolute gash.
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
Brighton started off like a train last season in a similar fashion to this, with four wins out of 5. They then didn't win again for 12 matches. They then won in 2 in 3 by beating Brentford and Everton, before going on another shit run with 1 win in 12. Basically between the end of September and the start of April they won 3 games. In that stretch they took 21 points from 25 games. Their season was made to look good by an excellent start and finish, but for ⅔ of the season they were absolute gash.
Yep don’t get the hype with them, we dispatched them pretty comfortably in both games and to be honest they play a lot of nice possession football with absolutely fuck all end product.
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Likelihood of Poch to Villa discussed by punters.
https://tbrfootball.com/he-would-ornstein-says-manager-chelsea-reportedly-want-would-be-open-to-succeeding-gerrard-at-aston-villa/
Aww, I like Ornstein now. He even uses the "Villa have won the European Cup" line that I think most Villa fans (excluding some of our more "obvious" brethren) wince a little about at this stage.
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I'm a big fan of Graham Potter and what he does at Brighton, but keeping a small club ticking over and occasionally punching above its weight is what made us go for poor Paul Lambert. There's nothing to say Potter's got another gear. We should at last be looking at a manager with proven quality or we'll never get off this merry-go-round. Also, I genuinely like Potter too much to see him fail and God knows there have been enough ruined managers at Villa since MON sashayed out.
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
Brighton started off like a train last season in a similar fashion to this, with four wins out of 5. They then didn't win again for 12 matches. They then won in 2 in 3 by beating Brentford and Everton, before going on another shit run with 1 win in 12. Basically between the end of September and the start of April they won 3 games. In that stretch they took 21 points from 25 games. Their season was made to look good by an excellent start and finish, but for ⅔ of the season they were absolute gash.
Absolute gash with hardly any spend only finishing ninth in the table last season, yeah terrible.
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Whether he can do it at a higher is the big question, but he's done well at Brighton while making a profit and what he did with Ostersunds is on a par with what SGT did with Watford. And as soon he left they went backwards.
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
Brighton started off like a train last season in a similar fashion to this, with four wins out of 5. They then didn't win again for 12 matches. They then won in 2 in 3 by beating Brentford and Everton, before going on another shit run with 1 win in 12. Basically between the end of September and the start of April they won 3 games. In that stretch they took 21 points from 25 games. Their season was made to look good by an excellent start and finish, but for ⅔ of the season they were absolute gash.
Absolute gash with hardly any spend only finishing ninth in the table last season, yeah terrible.
Hardly any spend? Try £100m over two years. And I didn't say their final position was rubbish, I said their form for the 25 games sequence when they won 3 games was. How would you describe it?
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The commentators on here (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62824405) are mostly of one mind...
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Whether he can do it at a higher is the big question, but he's done well at Brighton while making a profit and what he did with Ostersunds is on a par with what SGT did with Watford. And as soon he left they went backwards.
Whether he can do it at a higher is the big question, but he's done well at Brighton while making a profit and what he did with Ostersunds is on a par with what SGT did with Watford. And as soon he left they went backwards.
Agreed, I was hoping we would find out if he could perform at a bigger club at Villa. Every player seems well drilled and I have seen Brighton play both straight through the middle of Villa or down the wings. On paper, Villa man to man have a better team than Brighton and if they had bought a decent striker a couple of years ago instead of playing Maupay and Welbeck they would have likely gained more points.
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The commentators on here (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62824405) are mostly of one mind...
"But his brand of attacking and tactically flexible football has brought him many admirers in the game."
Potter's Brighton scored 19 goals at home last season, lower than everybody except the bottom three and Leeds. At one point they scored 1 goal in 7 games.
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We could, and probably should, have taken Potter when we got Gerrard. We'll never know if it would have worked out but it would have been interesting to see how he got on.
If Gerrard is sacked I hope we just go all out for whichever of the two doesn't get the Chelsea gig. Just make them a proposal they can't refuse both in terms of money and the 'project.'
Brighton started off like a train last season in a similar fashion to this, with four wins out of 5. They then didn't win again for 12 matches. They then won in 2 in 3 by beating Brentford and Everton, before going on another shit run with 1 win in 12. Basically between the end of September and the start of April they won 3 games. In that stretch they took 21 points from 25 games. Their season was made to look good by an excellent start and finish, but for ⅔ of the season they were absolute gash.
Absolute gash with hardly any spend only finishing ninth in the table last season, yeah terrible.
Hardly any spend? Try £100m over two years. And I didn't say their final position was rubbish, I said their form for the 25 games sequence when they won 3 games was. How would you describe it?
Spent a £100m, and how much did they get back in transfer fees? Ben White alone bought in plenty.
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The commentators on here (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62824405) are mostly of one mind...
"But his brand of attacking and tactically flexible football has brought him many admirers in the game."
Potter's Brighton scored 19 goals at home last season, lower than everybody except the bottom three and Leeds. At one point they scored 1 goal in 7 games.
I meant the punters in the comments section, rather than the article but I absolutely with you.
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The commentators on here (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62824405) are mostly of one mind...
"But his brand of attacking and tactically flexible football has brought him many admirers in the game."
Potter's Brighton scored 19 goals at home last season, lower than everybody except the bottom three and Leeds. At one point they scored 1 goal in 7 games.
Whenever I’ve watched them they look like a team that keep the ball well but the lack of a top level striker means that they don’t convert enough chances.
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The £100m that keeps getting quoted doesn't tell the whole story though. They are in profit on transfers over those 2 years and they only signed about 5 players that cost £10m or more, and one of those has already been sold.
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We sold our best player and turned to shit, Brighton do it every year and Potter seems to keep them on track. If they had a proper striker they would've done much better during their lean spells imo, I've seen games where they've had 15 shots from good positions blazing them all over the shop.
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Perhaps we have already had "talks" with Poch and things are developing so Chelsea go straight to Potter?
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I'd love to think so, but even if we were, I'm sure he would drop us like a stone to go to Chelsea
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I'd love to think so, but even if we were, I'm sure he would drop us like a stone to go to Chelsea
I can see that but just maybe he is looking for something other than a couple of seasons and then the sack
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The £100m that keeps getting quoted doesn't tell the whole story though. They are in profit on transfers over those 2 years and they only signed about 5 players that cost £10m or more, and one of those has already been sold.
The idea that they haven't spend money is false though. He's done a good job of replacing players, sure, but he's had a mid tier Premier League amount of money to spend, they have a mid tier sized ground, and they're a mid tier Premier League club.
He's a good manager, and was my first choice when Smith was punted (mainly due to ignorance of anybody outside of the Premier League) but I think he'd be entirely the wrong bloke for Chelsea, and with hindsight I don't think he'd do any better than Smith or Gerrard at Villa.
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Maybe hes not seen as that much of a success Man Utd Overlooked him - maybe what happened at PSG has tainted him in the eyes of the sky6 etc
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The £100m that keeps getting quoted doesn't tell the whole story though. They are in profit on transfers over those 2 years and they only signed about 5 players that cost £10m or more, and one of those has already been sold.
The idea that they haven't spend money is false though. He's done a good job of replacing players, sure, but he's had a mid tier Premier League amount of money to spend, they have a mid tier sized ground, and they're a mid tier Premier League club.
He's a good manager, and was my first choice when Smith was punted (mainly due to ignorance of anybody outside of the Premier League) but I think he'd be entirely the wrong bloke for Chelsea, and with hindsight I don't think he'd do any better than Smith or Gerrard at Villa.
You honestly think he couldn't do a better job than Smith or Gerrard?
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You honestly think he couldn't do a better job than Smith or Gerrard?
Well done, was it the statement "I don't think he'd do any better than Smith or Gerrard at Villa" that gave it away?
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You honestly think he couldn't do a better job than Smith or Gerrard?
Well done, was it the statement "I don't think he'd do any better than Smith or Gerrard at Villa" that gave it away?
Yes that's the one, I actually laughed out loud, you had only just stated that you wanted him as first choice to take over from Smith but now he wouldn't have done any better than Smith.
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Well done, was it the statement "I don't think he'd do any better than Smith or Gerrard at Villa" that gave it away?
Yes that's the one, I actually laughed out loud, you had only just stated that you wanted him as first choice to take over from Smith but now he wouldn't have done any better than Smith.
I sense a Paul Samuelson quote coming up.
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I'm a big fan of Graham Potter and what he does at Brighton, but keeping a small club ticking over and occasionally punching above its weight is what made us go for poor Paul Lambert. There's nothing to say Potter's got another gear. We should at last be looking at a manager with proven quality or we'll never get off this merry-go-round. Also, I genuinely like Potter too much to see him fail and God knows there have been enough ruined managers at Villa since MON sashayed out.
I agree here. I like Potter too, but he feels so much the wrong manager for Villa right now. We - and Newcastle to be fair to them - have arguably a harder climb ahead than Chelsea do. Chelsea need to finish 1st rather than 4th, but have Champions League money, Champions League players, and an inexhaustible supply of money from selling academy players.
We, meanwhile, have a midtable set of players but eyes on playing in the Champions League. There's clubs to compete with that have much higher incomes, and with that the ability to spend far more, than we do.
IMO we need a proven manager next. Not a prospect, not someone who's part of "the project" - a ready-made top quality manager.
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No five at the back merchants under any circumstances, please.
Brian Little did ok?
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
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No five at the back merchants under any circumstances, please.
Brian Little did ok?
A quarter of a century ago.
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I got off the wall after the Arsenal game and said Out
Now I am back on it not relishing a groundhog day of change, change, change
I hope Gerrard comes right and learns, remember, Cur Alex was close to the boot after his first season but they stuck with him.
If we do change again, 100% experience and track record of winning
No more experiments or young villa supporting potentials
I am too old to see the fruition of many more experiments and would like to revel in a few years of world domination
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I'd have loved Potter to have taken charge of us when Smith went. Missed the boat on that one as Purslow only had eyes for his mate.
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on with a higher calibre player though.
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I reckon the Chelsea fans will not give Potter enough time at all and will soon be asking for someone with far more pedigree within three months. If I was him I’d stay well clear from them.
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I can very much see this applying to the plastic fans.
Potter once told BBC sport that he was resigned to never being a high profile manager when at the time he was being linked with Everton.
"It is hard to be a sexy name when you are called Potter, especially if your first name is Graham. Then it becomes even more difficult to be sexy," he said.
"Add into that a long face and a ginger beard and all the rest of it and I just have to stick to being a football coach and work with the players."
He added: "The mistake is often to think you are better than you are and can succeed in any environment," he added. "That is not the case.
"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players."
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I can very much see this applying to the plastic fans.
Potter once told BBC sport that he was resigned to never being a high profile manager when at the time he was being linked with Everton.
"It is hard to be a sexy name when you are called Potter, especially if your first name is Graham. Then it becomes even more difficult to be sexy," he said.
"Add into that a long face and a ginger beard and all the rest of it and I just have to stick to being a football coach and work with the players."
He added: "The mistake is often to think you are better than you are and can succeed in any environment," he added. "That is not the case.
"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players."
Yep. He displays a lack of ego there, that they just won't be able to get their heads round. Stay where you are, Graham.
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I think he’s an outstanding manager I’m glad one of the rich clubs Look like they are going to give him a chance
Pleasantly surprised to hear many many Chelsea fans actually wanting him as I would have thought they were sort of club who just want big names
Not sure Chelsea is the right fit for him though, as others have said he is a builder, it will be interesting to see whether he gets the time
But I knew someone would the risk at some point I would have loved it Villa
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I think he’s an outstanding manager I’m glad one of the rich clubs Look like they are going to give him a chance
Pleasantly surprised to hear many many Chelsea fans actually wanting him as I would have thought they were sort of club who just want big names
Not sure Chelsea is the right fit for him though, as others have said he is a builder, it will be interesting to see whether he gets the time
But I knew someone would the risk at some point I would have loved it Villa
I agree mate.
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Potter is great an developing players and building a tight squad of players, both of which demand time and an absence of ego. The exact opposite of what Chelsea are about. I cant see how it will work.
the good news is it means that the top 6 clubs all look pretty settled so if Poch is only looking at the PL then his options are reducing.
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I wonder if Tuchel is being reassigned to the Eastern Front.
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I wonder if Tuchel is being reassigned to the Eastern Front.
Probably hiding in his bunker
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Blimey, just saw that Tuchel is only 49. Must have been on the same paper round as Danny Ings.
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Chelsea are shaping up to be a basket case. Potter would be better biding his time for a different chance.
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I wonder if Tuchel is being reassigned to the Eastern Front.
Genuine chuckling at this.
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If Potter goes there, he will just be the interim fall guy for their long term choice who cannot break contract.
I have not thought of a name yet for my conspiracy theory…..
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Every Chelsea manager is an interim one.
*You could say the same about most managers but Chelsea's turnaround is top-tier.
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But Watford are on their own. They interview next Manager straight after appointing someone.
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But Watford are on their own.
Surprisingly, they aren't.
https://sqaf.club/which-club-has-sacked-most-managers/
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They probably have the record for the last 10 years or so though. Since June 2011 they've had 17 full time managers. Obviously 'full time' has a different meaning at Watford.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
Amorim's Sporting hammered Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 away in the CL tonight.Good call,Rudy.
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A couple of names to throw in ther pot from down here:
Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Clube de Lisboa Coach may only be 37 but has incredible maturity. Plays attacking football and has completely turned Sporting around. He's a humble, intelligent, educated man that is tactically smart and can adapt. What's crazy is Sporting paid €10m to take him off Braga despite him only managing them for 13 games. It was the best 10m Sporting ever spent. He now has a €30m release clause.
Sérgio Conceição, Porto Coach. More experienced, despite being a top player in Porto and Italy he's done it the hard way before replacing Nuno at Porto. He's contracted until summer 2024 and he's been tempted to leave Porto several times including Spurs where he was shortlisted when they appointed Conté. The Plastics were also said to be interested when they sacked Solskjaer.
Amorim's Sporting hammered Eintracht Frankfurt 3-0 away in the CL tonight.Good call,Rudy.
Rúben Amorim would without doubt also be my number one choice for next Villa manager but we have absolutely zero chance of getting him. He’ll probably replace Guardiola once he leaves Man City and I suspect they've already sounded him out to do exactly that.
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He will end up at Wolves and so will all his players, and possibly a few of their directors, catering staff and fans.
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Potter would be off his head to go to the basket case of a club that is Chelsea right now. He can easily bide his time, earn his stripes, and his time will come for the right club in due course. Not that he or anyone else would give a shit, but he would go down in my estimations of him if he accepted the Chelsea job and would soon become an intolerable prick.
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He will end up at Wolves and so will all his players, and possibly a few of their directors, catering staff and fans.
Have any custard tart emporiums bloomed in Wolverhampton in recent times? Would be nice if there's some sort of legacy when the Portugeezers leave.
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
I’d be interested how much time you’d give Potter here?? I’m presuming it would be longer than half a season and 6 games of the next ??
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
I’d be interested how much time you’d give Potter here?? I’m presuming it would be longer than half a season and 6 games of the next ??
I’d give any manager time if he demonstrated improvements and tangible progression. I realize this is a dig at my Gerrard out thread or my position overall. If you look back at our record after Christmas overall it’s abysmal. And what’s worse is our football is atrocious. The manager also made an unnecessary change to our captain, pick someone who I couldn’t think of as a worse leader. He barely does interviews or motivates players on the pitch. And he’s created an equally unnecessary bomb squad of players who should be contributing. So do I want Gerrard gone yes. Would I give Potter more time? Yes if he did the opposite of all of things Gerrard has done.
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I know basically nothing about football outside of Villa, but Chelsea would be a very lucrative free hit for Potter. He'd have a good salary, big payout when he gets the sack, and it's not like failing at Chelsea as a mid-season appointment would put his next club off.
We hired RDM, Everton hired Lampard; Villas-Boas, Benitez, Conte, Sarri have all gone on to have careers elsewhere.
Brighton, with all due respect, are a rabbit turd of a club. I expect Potter would be confident of doing well, but even if he were to fail, his family would be set for life, and his professional reputation would be undiminished because everybody knows what arsewipes Chelsea are.
Win/win.
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I know basically nothing about football outside of Villa, but Chelsea would be a very lucrative free hit for Potter. He'd have a good salary, big payout when he gets the sack, and it's not like failing at Chelsea as a mid-season appointment would put his next club off.
We hired RDM, Everton hired Lampard; Villas-Boas, Benitez, Conte, Sarri have all gone on to have careers elsewhere.
Brighton, with all due respect, are a rabbit turd of a club. I expect Potter would be confident of doing well, but even if he were to fail, his family would be set for life, and his professional reputation would be undiminished because everybody knows what arsewipes Chelsea are.
Win/win.
it depends, so easy to get a reputation for being a good coach but could not handle the big players, or the pressure of a big club etc.
It won’t stop him getting another job but it depends if he is looking to become a top level coach long term.
Of course if he is successful there, then he automatically steps into that bracket.
As others have said, it looks like a club in transition, there are players that have been there a long time , players lots of expensive new players, some that are not happy and not enough places in the team to keep all of them happy.
They could easily replicate post Ferguson Manure having spent lavishly.
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He will end up at Wolves and so will all his players, and possibly a few of their directors, catering staff and fans.
Have any custard tart emporiums bloomed in Wolverhampton in recent times? Would be nice if there's some sort of legacy when the Portugeezers leave.
There is at least one,yes.
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I know basically nothing about football outside of Villa, but Chelsea would be a very lucrative free hit for Potter. He'd have a good salary, big payout when he gets the sack, and it's not like failing at Chelsea as a mid-season appointment would put his next club off.
We hired RDM, Everton hired Lampard; Villas-Boas, Benitez, Conte, Sarri have all gone on to have careers elsewhere.
Brighton, with all due respect, are a rabbit turd of a club. I expect Potter would be confident of doing well, but even if he were to fail, his family would be set for life, and his professional reputation would be undiminished because everybody knows what arsewipes Chelsea are.
Win/win.
Was going to post exactly this, but worded more clumsily.
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
I’d be interested how much time you’d give Potter here?? I’m presuming it would be longer than half a season and 6 games of the next ??
I’d give any manager time if he demonstrated improvements and tangible progression. I realize this is a dig at my Gerrard out thread or my position overall. If you look back at our record after Christmas overall it’s abysmal. And what’s worse is our football is atrocious. The manager also made an unnecessary change to our captain, pick someone who I couldn’t think of as a worse leader. He barely does interviews or motivates players on the pitch. And he’s created an equally unnecessary bomb squad of players who should be contributing. So do I want Gerrard gone yes. Would I give Potter more time? Yes if he did the opposite of all of things Gerrard has done.
To be honest, I don’t think our form has been good since Grealish left which did for Smith in the end. Gerrard picked up a mid table squad (at best) and that needed/needs the addition of high quality players if we’re to break past that mid table into the top 8 and stay there. That will take time, regardless of who is in charge, Gerrard, Poch Potter. Smith created the “bomb squad” it just wasn’t called that until Gerrard came. The players in there were not deemed good enough by either Smith or Gerrard. I agree the captaincy episode was bizarre and it backfired massively. That needs putting right because clearly McGinn is the wrong choice.
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
I’d be interested how much time you’d give Potter here?? I’m presuming it would be longer than half a season and 6 games of the next ??
I’d give any manager time if he demonstrated improvements and tangible progression. I realize this is a dig at my Gerrard out thread or my position overall. If you look back at our record after Christmas overall it’s abysmal. And what’s worse is our football is atrocious. The manager also made an unnecessary change to our captain, pick someone who I couldn’t think of as a worse leader. He barely does interviews or motivates players on the pitch. And he’s created an equally unnecessary bomb squad of players who should be contributing. So do I want Gerrard gone yes. Would I give Potter more time? Yes if he did the opposite of all of things Gerrard has done.
What if he went on a run of 6 defeats in a row? Or we didn't score a home goal for 3 months? Maybe if we didn't win for 3 months and set a club record of 14 home games without a win? Would you give him time then?
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Potter seems to be off the shelf, agreement in principle with Chelsea confirmed.
I wonder what he'll do with Carney Chukwuemeka, it might be grim news if he gets a bloody good tune out of him!
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A manager with no ego managing a team full of ego's, what could go wrong?
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well, as you put it like that Robbo, loads hopefully.
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Potter would get the time to get it right with us. He won’t at Chelsea. It’s a strange choice but anyone going there knows the game. Go in get paid, win something if possible and expect a payout.
I’d be interested how much time you’d give Potter here?? I’m presuming it would be longer than half a season and 6 games of the next ??
I’d give any manager time if he demonstrated improvements and tangible progression. I realize this is a dig at my Gerrard out thread or my position overall. If you look back at our record after Christmas overall it’s abysmal. And what’s worse is our football is atrocious. The manager also made an unnecessary change to our captain, pick someone who I couldn’t think of as a worse leader. He barely does interviews or motivates players on the pitch. And he’s created an equally unnecessary bomb squad of players who should be contributing. So do I want Gerrard gone yes. Would I give Potter more time? Yes if he did the opposite of all of things Gerrard has done.
What if he went on a run of 6 defeats in a row? Or we didn't score a home goal for 3 months? Maybe if we didn't win for 3 months and set a club record of 14 home games without a win? Would you give him time then?
Not all defeats and bad runs are the same. We’ve seen how Potter likes to play. As he tries to establish us over a couple of season playing as Brighton have been under him there are going to be bumps and bad runs. But I think all of us want to see that we are trying to win, playing a brand of football that is pleasing to the eye. That doesn’t always mean we will win games. There have only been a couple of games under Gerrard where the football was genuinely pleasing. But for most of it and certainly most of it since January, it’s been eye bleedingly awful.
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I think some commentators are under the impression Chelsea are still owned and run by Abramovich. It's quite likely the whole culture of the club will now change in the short to medium term, and Potter will be given a certain amount of time to implement his system and philosophy. (This might not go down well with the plastic fans who have attached themselves to the club over the past two decades but that's their problem - for the first time in over two decades their fanbase will need to display patience.)
I think such a shift in direction and outlook at Chelsea is great news for clubs like ourselves, and I can see a post-Abramovich slide on the horizon.
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Potter seems to be off the shelf, agreement in principle with Chelsea confirmed.
I wonder what he'll do with Carney Chukwuemeka, it might be grim news if he gets a bloody good tune out of him!
Brighton must have someone good lined up as they let him go relatively easily..
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Potter seems to be off the shelf, agreement in principle with Chelsea confirmed.
I wonder what he'll do with Carney Chukwuemeka, it might be grim news if he gets a bloody good tune out of him!
Brighton must have someone good lined up as they let him go relatively easily..
Possibly a buy out clause
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Well, Potter sure knows how to time Brighton's invariably quite short runs of good form! ;)
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Potter seems to be off the shelf, agreement in principle with Chelsea confirmed.
I wonder what he'll do with Carney Chukwuemeka, it might be grim news if he gets a bloody good tune out of him!
Brighton must have someone good lined up as they let him go relatively easily..
Rodgers would be a good fit there.
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I think some commentators are under the impression Chelsea are still owned and run by Abramovich. It's quite likely the whole culture of the club will now change in the short to medium term, and Potter will be given a certain amount of time to implement his system and philosophy. (This might not go down well with the plastic fans who have attached themselves to the club over the past two decades but that's their problem - for the first time in over two decades their fanbase will need to display patience.)
I'd say that's def part of it.
Potter might not have known everything about Brighton's recruitment strategy, but he knows most of it. That's attractive to the money men as well. It's difficult to pick up players at the top level for peanuts now, but the amount of good value they've had for players signed for £10 million or less sets them apart.
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Potter might not have known everything about Brighton's recruitment strategy, but he knows most of it. That's attractive to the money men as well. It's difficult to pick up players at the top level for peanuts now, but the amount of good value they've had for players signed for £10 million or less sets them apart.
Wasn't a good part of the recruitment strategy down to Dan Ashworth who's gone to Newcastle?
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Looks like Chelsea about to appoint Potter - smart appointment all round. So he's off the table for the Villa job if we find ourselves seeking a new manager shortly
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Looks like Chelsea about to appoint Potter - smart appointment all round. So he's off the table for the Villa job if we find ourselves seeking a new manager shortly
We will be stuck between Poch and Tuchel 😃
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I do wonder if Poch is after something he can get his teeth into, rather than one of the 'star vehicle' clubs, somewhere where he'll get the chance to shape the team properly. If that were the case, we'd be just up his street.
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Looks like Chelsea about to appoint Potter - smart appointment all round. So he's off the table for the Villa job if we find ourselves seeking a new manager shortly
We will be stuck between Poch and Tuchel 😃
given where we've been and currently are we'd be nuts not to consider either if they showed a legitmate interest. Tuchel's Dortmund success got him to PSG. I know Poch didn't actually win a trophy at Spurs but I'd accept that level of failure at Villa; top 4, European cup final etc. I'd even say that for Rodgers too. Winning the FA Cup in our lifetime is something most of us are dreaming of.
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Why has Pochettino’s stock fallen so much? Or should I stop listening to Talksport?
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Why has Pochettino’s stock fallen so much? Or should I stop listening to Talksport?
Absence divided by achievement is the calculation for all out of work managers / prospective new clubs, I reckon. 'Poch' has done good shit in the past, but has been absent for a bit. The trick, I suspect with 'elite' managers, is timing their reintroduction to the front line.
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Could we get Gasperini from Atalanta? I watch no Italian (and very little English) football, but he seems like a good sort.
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I'm all for extending our scouting network but appointing managers from mythical islands under the sea might be pushing it.
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Could we get Gasperini from Atalanta? I watch no Italian (and very little English) football, but he seems like a good sort.
They're joint top in Serie A right now..
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What about the Dortmund coach ?
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What about the Dortmund coach ?
He was only appointed this year (although did a caretaker stint a couple of seasons ago) and is top of the Bundesliga at the moment, I don't think he'll leave.
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According to the French press, Nice are approaching Poch! FFS
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According to the French press, Nice are approaching Poch! FFS
If he has any interest whatsoever, now is the time to get the wallet out.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
I would take either over Gerrard
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Bielsa did an incredible job at Leeds
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It was comically bad towards the end though.
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It was comically bad towards the end though.
it's the same for pretty much every manager ever isn't it? Barring the odd exception of course.
Leeds kept him longer than they should have, or didn't invest enough in the squad..
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It was comically bad towards the end though.
it's the same for pretty much every manager ever isn't it? Barring the odd exception of course.
Leeds kept him longer than they should have, or didn't invest enough in the squad..
It was typical Bielsa, he likes players to work themselvesinto the ground but also likes to keep the squad small. The result of that is that eventually the players hit a wall and you end up with injuries and fatigue (which leads to poor form and discipline problems). My only surprise is that it didn't happen sooner. That said I still think he's a fantastic manager but probably shouldn't be in a job for more than about 18months before being replaced by someone who can build on the foundations he sets up.
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I'd have him at Villa like a shot.
We'd certainly start fucking moving more.
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The season we went up Leeds did us a massive favour by imploding Vs Derby in the semi. Unlike any other side in the Championship, they had our number that year.
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Gazzetta published their top 12 list of currently unemployed managers...
1. Tuchel
2. Poch
3. Zidane
4. Benitez
5. Paulo Sousa
6. Ranieri
7. Bielsa
8. Sampaoli
9. Low
10. Solskjaer
11. Setien
12. Stankovic
I'd have one or two of them....
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I'd have about 10 over what we've got
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The season we went up Leeds did us a massive favour by imploding Vs Derby in the semi. Unlike any other side in the Championship, they had our number that year.
I'm going to guess Brentford probably did, too.
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Gazzetta published their top 12 list of currently unemployed managers...
1. Tuchel
2. Poch
3. Zidane
4. Benitez
5. Paulo Sousa
6. Ranieri
7. Bielsa
8. Sampaoli
9. Low
10. Solskjaer
11. Setien
12. Stankovic
I'd have one or two of them....
Never heard of 11 or 12 but they must be shite being below Solskjaer.
I'd have 1, 2, 3, 7 or 9. Don't know 5, 8, 11 or 12. No thanks to 4, 6 or 10.
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Sheff United scored 7 in 2 games against us that season. Norwich did the double. There were a few clubs we only took 1 point off. Brentford, Leeds, QPR for starters.
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I'd have about 10 over what we've got
Benitez, Ranieri, Solskjaer, Bielsa - no thanks. Stankovic - managed one team in the Serbian League. Setien - 25 games in charge of Barcelona during which time he led to them to their highest ever defeat and was mostly rubbish everywhere else.
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I'd have about 10 over what we've got
Benitez, Ranieri, Solskjaer, Bielsa - no thanks. Stankovic - managed one team in the Serbian League. Setien - 25 games in charge of Barcelona during which time he led to them to their highest ever defeat and was mostly rubbish everywhere else.
So only 6 for you then....
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Well if we had a vacancy and Tuchel, Poch and Zidane fancied a crack, I wouldn't say no to any of them. It's hard to know how somebody like Zidane would get on at a team which isn't like playing on easy mode though.
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Well if we had a vacancy and Tuchel, Poch and Zidane fancied a crack, I wouldn't say no to any of them. It's hard to know how somebody like Zidane would get on at a team which isn't like playing on easy mode though.
Poch and Tuchel have both proven they can get results and improve sides without having vast amounts of money or talent immediately at their disposal (Tuchel at Mainz, and Poch at Southampton and to a certain extent Spurs). Zidane, not so much. I think he'd be a gamble, as winning with Real Madrid in Spain is a bit like winning with Rangers in Scotland. He might be a great manager, but he really might not be.
I think we'd be a really attractive option for a top manager looking for a three-year project, and looking to know he's not going to get the sack for not getting silverwear every season. I think Tuchel would be VERY motivated to prove his premier league credentials, but clearly something went wrong at Chelsea towards the end, but I do think he's capable of building a Klopp-like empire wherever he ends up.
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I'd have about 10 over what we've got
Hopefully our Steven will join that list soon. He doesn't need to stay thank you on his way out.
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Poch would be my choice of those but he'd need time. Same with my second choice Tuchel. Benitez or Bielsa would surely do a better job than Gerrard. Low would be an interesting one. Ranieri or Solkjaer would be a no for me. The others i either don't know or not sure about.
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I'd have had Ranieri and reckon he'd still do a decent job but there have to be question marks given his last couple of jobs here with Fulham and Watford; they're tricky jobs because neither were expected to do any good anyway.
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I think Bielsa would be a great appointment, but like someone else on here said it'd be caveated with expecting to replace him in summer 2024.
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Gazzetta published their top 12 list of currently unemployed managers...
1. Tuchel- Not sure
2. Poch Y
3. Zidane Y
4. Benitez N
5. Paulo Sousa -Dont know
6. Ranieri-N
7. Bielsa-Y
8. Sampaoli- Dont know
9. Low-Y
10. Solskjaer-no fkin way
11. Setien-Dont know
12. Stankovic-Dont know
I'd have one or two of them....
I dont know enough about some of them
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No to Sampaoli for me for the mess he made of Argentina in 2018
From his wiki
Argentina suffered a heavy 0–3 loss by Croatia due to "a defence left exposed, a midfield that was overrun and an attack that was blunted"
sounds all too familiar
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Whilst it’s impossible to be certain on these things I’m 99.9% sure that Ranieri would be a disaster.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Delivering CL football to Spurs 4 out of the 5 seasons he was there was no mean achievement.
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Poch would be my choice of those but he'd need time. Same with my second choice Tuchel. Benitez or Bielsa would surely do a better job than Gerrard. Low would be an interesting one. Ranieri or Solkjaer would be a no for me. The others i either don't know or not sure about.
A definite no to Joachim Low. He strikes me as the German equivalent of Southgate, in that his club CV is distinctly average, and he lucked into the top national job by being 'next in line' as the assistant coach - then he got lucky with a generation of incredible talent to play with, so kept the job for ages, including winning the 2014 world cup (where they were, admittedly, very good indeed). That German side was packed with genuinely world-class talent, many in their prime.
I don't think it's a coincidence that no top club has gone in for him since he left the Germany job over a year ago.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Delivering CL football to Spurs 4 out of the 5 seasons he was there was no mean achievement.
Getting Southampton up top 8th was an even greater achievement.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Delivering CL football to Spurs 4 out of the 5 seasons he was there was no mean achievement.
Getting Southampton up top 8th was an even greater achievement.
He also got Spurs to finish second in the league on 86 points, the year after Leicester won it with 81. (Man City won the league with 86 points in 20-21, for comparison). But on the other hand, he did inherit a solid top 6 side at Spurs, one that had finished in the top four twice in the previous five seasons. And the Southampton team he left in 8th place, then went on to finish 7th and 6th under Koeman. So I guess you can find something to support your position whether you rate him, or not!
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With any new managerial appointment for us right now, we don't need a game end solution. We should be thinking about someone who can work within the framework we want and progress us so that at the time of the next appointment we've got a better pool of managers to pick from. Pochettino would undoubtedly do that.
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personally if Pochettino is available I would going all out for him is far less risky then sticking with SG and then going with someone else when he get sacks
Think come the end of the season Rogers will be our manager - I wouldn't be against that - I think he would take us forward
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Gazzetta published their top 12 list of currently unemployed managers...
1. Tuchel No
2. Poch Yes
3. Zidane No - More suited to maintaining a set up rather than building one.
4. Benitez No
5. Paulo Sousa No
6. Ranieri No
7. Bielsa Yes
8. Sampaoli On the fence. Is highly combustible which could be entertaining. Did a great job with Chile.
9. Low No way
10. Solskjaer F*ck no - a chancer.
11. Setien Don't know enough about him.
12. Stankovic Don't know about him as a manager at all.
I'd have one or two of them.... same
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It will be wayne rooney wont it
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It will be wayne rooney wont it
Ha ha, made me laugh.
In a 'or cry' manner.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Delivering CL football to Spurs 4 out of the 5 seasons he was there was no mean achievement.
Indeed and the Bielsa thing just isn’t accurate either.
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It will be wayne rooney wont it
Ha ha, made me laugh.
In a 'or cry' manner.
Exactly - at least he might pick up some of the players wages
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Poch is an incredible manager. All hail the man from Murphy!
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This Joachim Low...
No thanks !
We should be going all out for Poch.
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On that list is Stankovic, Dejan who played in midfield for Lazio and Inter?
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I'd love Bielsa
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Who keeps tictacs up their posterior?
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Who keeps tictacs up their posterior?
me.
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All hype and style over substance - just like Bielsa was fawned over after achieving next to fuck all in the game
Delivering CL football to Spurs 4 out of the 5 seasons he was there was no mean achievement.
Getting Southampton up top 8th was an even greater achievement.
He also got Spurs to finish second in the league on 86 points, the year after Leicester won it with 81. (Man City won the league with 86 points in 20-21, for comparison). But on the other hand, he did inherit a solid top 6 side at Spurs, one that had finished in the top four twice in the previous five seasons. And the Southampton team he left in 8th place, then went on to finish 7th and 6th under Koeman. So I guess you can find something to support your position whether you rate him, or not!
Well there's more than enough evidence to dump Gerrard immediately if Poch was interested. Tuchel the same.
I was against Gerrard from the start as I didn't think his CV warranted any PL job. It still doesn't.
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Of the names mentioned above, Im' sure a good few of them would do a better job than Gerrard. But only Pochettino and Tuchel (so long as he fucked that stupid cap off) would be exciting upgrades and relatively safe gambles. Bielsa might be 'fun' but is now forever tainted with Dirty Leeds.
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That Low video is a really uncomfortable watch. What the actual fuck is he doing??? Bizarre. 🤯
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Who keeps tictacs up their posterior?
Gerrard pulls his tactics out of his arse at times
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Zidane is my favourite non-Villa player ever, so based on little except that (and 3 European cup wins as a manager obvs) I’d want him. Would make the McGinn song a bit jarring mind.
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If SG goes it will be in part due to the fact that he is happy to see McGinn drop back and cover the full-back and not play as a wide forward or a number 10.
McGinn has scored 14 goals and assisted a further six in his 35 games for Scotland
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I think Bielsa would be a great appointment, but like someone else on here said it'd be caveated with expecting to replace him in summer 2024.
Think Bielsa is a little old now and would be difficult to replicate what he did at Leeds here, especially mid season.
If you want a younger version of Bielsa then Jorge Sampaoli is your man. Done very good jobs at Sevilla and Marseille in europe and worked with Kamara last season.
Only failed as Argentina manager in his career so far considering he pushed Chile on to last 16 at world cup in 2014.
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No to Sampaoli for me for the mess he made of Argentina in 2018
From his wiki
Argentina suffered a heavy 0–3 loss by Croatia due to "a defence left exposed, a midfield that was overrun and an attack that was blunted"
sounds all too familiar
It was a mess but that group of players just didn't suit what he wanted to do, look at his Chile record instead. Last 16 in 2014 world cup and then won Copa America the following summer.
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Zidane is my favourite non-Villa player ever, so based on little except that (and 3 European cup wins as a manager obvs) I’d want him. Would make the McGinn song a bit jarring mind.
Hmm, not sure. I think if he came in as our Head Butter he'd do a terrific job, as our Head Coach he might also, but i'm unconvinced.
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I'd love Bielsa
Not for me. I'm sure it would be a fun ride but as others had it's not sustainable. And trying to adapt to his system with our squad would be more likely to lead to relegation than top 4.
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No to Sampaoli for me for the mess he made of Argentina in 2018
From his wiki
Argentina suffered a heavy 0–3 loss by Croatia due to "a defence left exposed, a midfield that was overrun and an attack that was blunted"
sounds all too familiar
It was a mess but that group of players just didn't suit what he wanted to do, look at his Chile record instead. Last 16 in 2014 world cup and then won Copa America the following summer.
Again sounds worryingly familiar.
I'll agree the exploits with Chile were superb, but fo we want someone that stubborn again?
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I'd love Bielsa
Not for me. I'm sure it would be a fun ride but as others had it's not sustainable. And trying to adapt to his system with our squad would be more likely to lead to relegation than top 4.
it would end in tears, probably will anyway; but it would be exciting.
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Not yet available but a few big clubs have had bad starts:
Nanglesmann - Bayern’s worst start in 20 years
Allegri - Juve are struggling for their second season under Allegri
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I have a friend who is a Juve-supporter (he was born that way, to be fair) and he said he'd rather watch Villa than Allegri-ball. Imagine.
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I like Nanglesmann, he looks he could be the next big thing, he is a bit too young for my liking but not many managers start at 29.
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Southgate could be available soon…
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If the alternative was Southgate I'd rather keep Gerrard... or Lambert.
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If the alternative was Southgate I'd rather keep Gerrard... or Lambert.
I would take Erik Black before Southgate
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I'd have a dream team of Remi Garde, Eric Black and Trevor bloody Francis before Southgate.
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I have a friend who is a Juve-supporter (he was born that way, to be fair) and he said he'd rather watch Villa than Allegri-ball. Imagine.
He can't have watched us much over the last few months
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I'd have a dream team of Remi Garde, Eric Black and Trevor bloody Francis before Southgate.
Trevor Francis speaks about us more generously than Southgate does!
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Well if we had a vacancy and Tuchel, Poch and Zidane fancied a crack, I wouldn't say no to any of them. It's hard to know how somebody like Zidane would get on at a team which isn't like playing on easy mode though.
Poch and Tuchel have both proven they can get results and improve sides without having vast amounts of money or talent immediately at their disposal (Tuchel at Mainz, and Poch at Southampton and to a certain extent Spurs). Zidane, not so much. I think he'd be a gamble, as winning with Real Madrid in Spain is a bit like winning with Rangers in Scotland. He might be a great manager, but he really might not be.
I think we'd be a really attractive option for a top manager looking for a three-year project, and looking to know he's not going to get the sack for not getting silverwear every season. I think Tuchel would be VERY motivated to prove his premier league credentials, but clearly something went wrong at Chelsea towards the end, but I do think he's capable of building a Klopp-like empire wherever he ends up.
I rather enjoyed your last paragraph talking about “a three year project” and “know he’s not going to get the sack for not getting silverware every season” pity that the current or previous manager didn’t get that consideration. It also emphasises that it is indeed a long project and the current squad are not good enough no matter who’s in charge
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I'd have a dream team of Remi Garde, Eric Black and Trevor bloody Francis before Southgate.
Haha. Agreed. Southgate would be it for me. I'd just give up.
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They’re not good enough for where we want to be but the cumulative wage bill suggests they should be punching higher than they are.
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They’re not good enough for where we want to be but the cumulative wage bill suggests they should be punching higher than they are.
The wage bill doesn’t necessarily equate to the quality of the player. If we’ve agreed to pay over the odds for average players then we’ve only got ourselves to blame
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They’re not good enough for where we want to be but the cumulative wage bill suggests they should be punching higher than they are.
The wage bill doesn’t necessarily equate to the quality of the player. If we’ve agreed to pay over the odds for average players then we’ve only got ourselves to blame
The wage bill is a far better tool to approximate the potential talent in the squad than net spend is because it takes actual performance for us and our ability to generate players oursewlves into account. It's not perfect but it generally gives a decent representation of the prospective squads in the league.
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Southgate could be available soon…
No he couldn't.
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Southgate could be available soon…
No he couldn't.
Yep, he gets the World Cup and probably beyond that.
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From the beeb gossip...
Former Tottenham and Paris St-Germain manager Mauricio Pochettino is keen on the possibility of managing Aston Villa, with Steven Gerrard currently in charge of the Midlands club. (Football Insider)
https://www.bbc.com/sport/63016438
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Ah man, those last two words and in that order.
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If that is the case - which it probably isn’t - we should surely jump at that chance
Even if we weren’t doing so badly it would be a no brainer
He’ll end up at newcastle won’t he
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Ah man, those last two words and in that order.
Yep, that rules out any chance of him coming to Villa then.
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If only it was another source, Romano or better still Percy, i would allow myself to get excited..but…football insider, sigh.
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And the BBC even quoting it as a source. FFS
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Poch er tino’s claret blue army, has a nice ring to it as well, football insider, double sigh
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Southgate could be available soon…
Southgate will end up at Small Heh after ruining England's finest for the next two years.
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Football Insider? A 14 year old schoolboy’s wet dream and the BBC are quoting it.
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I'd have a dream team of Remi Garde, Eric Black and Trevor bloody Francis before Southgate.
Haha. Agreed. Southgate would be it for me. I'd just give up.
I'd go as far as even considering the Women's England Manager before GS
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I'd have a dream team of Remi Garde, Eric Black and Trevor bloody Francis before Southgate.
Haha. Agreed. Southgate would be it for me. I'd just give up.
I'd go as far as even considering the Women's England Manager before GS
I'd genuinely have Emma Hayes ahead of Southgate.
She would probably do a good job. Certainly better than he would.
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If Hayes wants a football league manager job, she deserves a shot
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About time there was another female manager, it's been 20+ years since Gabriella Benson paved the way.
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Why did Chelsea spend £20MIL to sign a virtual novice at that level and get Potter when Poch was available ???
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Why did Chelsea spend £20MIL to sign a virtual novice at that level and get Potter when Poch was available ???
Because Poch is patiently waiting for the Villa job to become vacant and politely told them 'No'.
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About time there was another female manager, it's been 20+ years since Gabriella Benson paved the way.
Good call. Gabby would give the guys a lift.
I remember Cherie Lunghi featuring in a TV drama called "Bill Brand" with Jack Shepherd. Just looked up the date - 1976. Bloody hell.
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I have a friend who is a Juve-supporter (he was born that way, to be fair) and he said he'd rather watch Villa than Allegri-ball. Imagine.
He can't have watched us much over the last few months
He'd counter you can't have watched Juve this season.
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If that is the case - which it probably isn’t - we should surely jump at that chance
Even if we weren’t doing so badly it would be a no brainer
He’ll end up at newcastle won’t he
Yes.
Howe willl take over from Southgate and Poch will go to Newcastle.
But the article is from 'football insider' which is pretty much the bottom dweller of all made up click-bait sites.
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I didn't want that Scouse tit in the first place and still don't. A very expensive exercise in star fucking.
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Looking at Pochettino & Unai Emery if Gerrard fails to impress in the very near future -- according to TeamTalk anyway ...
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway
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Looking at Pochettino & Unai Emery if Gerrard fails to impress in the very near future -- according to TeamTalk anyway ...
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway (https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway)
So shit clickbait website Teamtalk are now quoting the shittest, clickbaitiest website of them all, Football Insider:
"As per Football Insider, the West Midlands outfit are also eyeing up Emery."
No offence, but I wish people would stop quoting those absolute charlatans.
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Looking at Pochettino & Unai Emery if Gerrard fails to impress in the very near future -- according to TeamTalk anyway ...
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway (https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway)
So shit clickbait website Teamtalk are now quoting the shittest, clickbaitiest website of them all, Football Insider:
"As per Football Insider, the West Midlands outfit are also eyeing up Emery."
No offence, but I wish people would stop quoting those absolute charlatans.
Agreed, The Athletic is the only one I know that is worth taking notice of.
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Looking at Pochettino & Unai Emery if Gerrard fails to impress in the very near future -- according to TeamTalk anyway ...
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway (https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway)
So shit clickbait website Teamtalk are now quoting the shittest, clickbaitiest website of them all, Football Insider:
"As per Football Insider, the West Midlands outfit are also eyeing up Emery."
No offence, but I wish people would stop quoting those absolute charlatans.
None taken :)
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Looking at Pochettino & Unai Emery if Gerrard fails to impress in the very near future -- according to TeamTalk anyway ...
https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway (https://www.teamtalk.com/aston-villa/unai-emery-targeted-mauricio-pochettino-alternative-initial-talks-underway)
So shit clickbait website Teamtalk are now quoting the shittest, clickbaitiest website of them all, Football Insider:
"As per Football Insider, the West Midlands outfit are also eyeing up Emery."
No offence, but I wish people would stop quoting those absolute charlatans.
Agreed, The Athletic is the only one I know that is worth taking notice of.
John Percy and Fabrizio Romano call it right generally with our transfer business.
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I would imagine one thing we have learned with our owners, if they was looking or talking to other managers the media would only know either on the eve of the announcement or thereabouts.
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I would imagine one thing we have learned with our owners, if they was looking or talking to other managers the media would only know either on the eve of the announcement or thereabouts.
From our side I'd agree but if we had spoken to them and they were interested but wanted to see what their other options might be I can understand them letting a rumour spread, it's works in their favour a lot more than ours because everyone can claim it's bullshit and we have a manager but they keep their names in the mix for jobs that come up.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
Why do people keep saying that? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
More like he’s keeping his options open.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
More like he’s keeping his options open.
Same thing
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
Why do people keep saying that? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
Agreed. Absolute nonsense.
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Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.
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Unless we are having the conversation that Spurs had with Conte, then why even approach Poch?
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Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.
accept it looks like the owners don’t want to cough up any more cash.
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Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.
accept it looks like the owners don’t want to cough up any more cash.
For transfers or paying SG and his staff off?
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Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.
accept it looks like the owners don’t want to cough up any more cash.
For transfers or paying SG and his staff off?
see the supporters Trust thread
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Ok I’ve not read any of the thread, a quick look at the first page says 1 out 1 in but will look to players who will instantly upgrade the first 11, also Purslow will look to step in if continual improvement isn’t shown.
I’d like to think that no matter what was said if Gerrard does go the new man will be backed just like Gerrard and Smith were.
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accept it looks like the owners don’t want to cough up any more cash.
Even if Pochettino were to be remotely interested in a job like Villa, the only way that would happen would be if he was promised the sort of transfer budget he'd need to have a proper crack at the European places. And that I think, isn't very likely any more. The squad still needs massively upgrading, and "one in, one out" isn't go to fix that very quickly.
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It still comes back to the point that as a club, what were saying, doing, and apparently planning, don't add up
Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
If the owners don't want to keep banking rolling the club, dont buy 30 y/o for big wages and salary
If we want one in one out, dont sign Deandonker when we have Nakamba and Sanson in the bomb squaded, Dont try and buy Sarr while having Bert and AEG going out on loans
If we're being more sensible with money, sale Dougie and use Sanson
If were not going for it - dont extend the capacity of the ground
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Sounds right Beard82. Could it be Purslow spinning a line to ease the pressure on Gerrard, if someone else is appointed he’s going to have to work with the current squad so let’s give Gerrard more time but this doesn’t add up with the continued improvement blurb.
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accept it looks like the owners don’t want to cough up any more cash.
Even if Pochettino were to be remotely interested in a job like Villa, the only way that would happen would be if he was promised the sort of transfer budget he'd need to have a proper crack at the European places. And that I think, isn't very likely any more. The squad still needs massively upgrading, and "one in, one out" isn't go to fix that very quickly.
yes as I said above, unless we are prepared to do what Spurs did to get Conte, we are not getting any manager of that level.
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Poch was out of work when Chelsea and Man Utd needed a new manager. Why didn't any of those two get him? Or didn't they want to cough up any more cash?
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Top top managers don't often go to clubs that go decades between trophies and can't finish in the top half.
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If Everton can get Ancelotti and Newcastle can get Benitez I don’t give a fuck what Purslow says we should be capable of getting Poch if we wanted him.
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Exactly.
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I guess it would come down to whether he thought he was in with a chance of getting a better gig in the immediate future. It’s not obvious that he would be.
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If I were Poch I’d be having a nice long holiday and wait for a bigger & better job to become available. Sadly for us.
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If I were Poch I’d be having a nice long holiday and wait for a bigger & better job to become available. Sadly for us.
If he wants to work in England where is he going to go? He was overlooked by Chelsea and when his star was brighter Man U stuck with Solskjaer. I would think he’d only get offers from similar stature clubs to us.
TBH I sound like some Poch fan club member. There would be plenty of managers who could improve us it’s just that he’s unemployed and we know what he can do.
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If I were Poch I'd be finding a big old house around Brum Nd lowering my salary demands, while plotting 3 at the back to wind CD up for that 80% remark.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
Why do people keep saying that? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
It would be negligent of us not to sound out other managers when the present one is hardly winning any games.
We appointed Gerrard about 72 hours after DS got sacked so clearly had sounded him out in the weeks before.
Perhaps Poch wants a break rest of the year. Or dosen't want to come back into management yet. At least him getting overlooked for CL teams like Chelsea and Sevilla suggests he's going to take a job at underachieving big club like us when he eventually makes his managerial return.
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Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.
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Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.
I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
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Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.
I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
It like credit risk, ability to pay and willingness to pay, we probably have the former but not the latter.
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.
He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.
He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.
I think he's given the impression that if there's a issue in the squad his way of fixing it is 'buy another player' rather than 'improve player we already have'.
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Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.
I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
There's no compensation. We could stick a £10m signing on fee in his pocket on day 1 if we wanted to. That must be tempting for anyone surely? And for us it would be money very well spent compared to most of our transfer business in the last 3 years.
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.
He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.
He signed 38 players in the 3.5 years he was at Rangers. This suggests his strategy is to buy rather than work with what hes got.
He has also said on a number of occasions that either the players start performing or we buy ones that do
He has made no attempt to play to the strengths of the players we have, but rather has replaced them with other players.
That's what I mean by chequebook - not necessarily the amount he spent, but that his answer is to buy players not work with what we have
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
For Villa his only real indulgence has been Coutinho.
He's not necessarily a very good manager, far from it it seems, but there's no evidence he's a 'cheque book manager' either.
I think he's given the impression that if there's a issue in the squad his way of fixing it is 'buy another player' rather than 'improve player we already have'.
I agree, he's done very little to suggest that developing his existing players to fix problems is something he'd be happy doing.
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Even without the villa tinted glasses on I would think were a very attractive proposition for all but the very very top tier of managers.
Great ground, training facilities, play in the ‘best league in the world’, billionaire owners, well backed and presumably pay well.
Almost word-for-word this exact post has been typed on here many times over the years when we've been looking for/wanting a new manager. And it just never comes to pass.
(maybe under Lerner/Xia it was "rich" rather than "billionaire" but you get the point)
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Let's face it, the way things are going, the jobs at the Manchester clubs, Liverpool clubs, and top London clubs aren't coming up any time soon. We're a good option for anyone. And we can afford it.
I'd like to agree, but I'm not as sure it's true as I was a few months ago.
There's no compensation. We could stick a £10m signing on fee in his pocket on day 1 if we wanted to. That must be tempting for anyone surely? And for us it would be money very well spent compared to most of our transfer business in the last 3 years.
It's more the transfer budget anybody really good would expect to have. It's difficult to know and might be unfair, but the vibes feel different somehow. Are we really (really) aiming for CL? Feels like our next managerial appointment will reveal intentions. My worry, and like I said, it might be unfounded, is that they are leaving Gerrard in position because the candidates we might be able to replace him with are underwhelming. A clubs trajectory is all about momentum, and right now we haven't got any.
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If Everton can get Ancelotti and Newcastle can get Benitez I don’t give a fuck what Purslow says we should be capable of getting Poch if we wanted him.
One used them as a stop gap for 1 year until a better offer came along and the other was a complete disaster. This is no rationale for us getting Poch, in fact it makes the opposite argument.
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It's hardly cheque book when the most he spent on a player was £6.5m and they only paid transfer fees for of £1m+ for 10 signings. In just over 3 seasons.
I havent forensically studied Rangers transfer dealings, but it seems to me there was a lot of loans and youth signings.
Anyway this is semantics. I think we all agree he's not doing very well. It seems to me he's entirely reliant on his coaching team and without Beale to prop him up he just isn't ready for PL management at the moment.
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.
You're hatred for Rangers is ridiculous and makes you the least balanced poerson to comment on his time there on this site. The one trophy in 9 is the usual anti-Rangers mantra that people come up with. The fact is he delivered the one trophy that mattered. If Ten-Hag delivers Man U the PL title in 3 seasons, Utd fans won't be pointing out the trophies he didn't win.
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Man United aren't in a two team league. If Man City win one trophy out of the next nine then (assuming they don't win the Champions League), Guardiola would be sacked.
There is no planet on which winning one trophy out of nine in a two team league having outspent all your rivals can be considered successful, and no amount of rewriting history can prove otherwise.
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That's unfair. I hate Rangers more than him, with Brazillian Villain and Percy in the Champions League spots
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Gerrard is a cheque book manager so don't appoint him if your not going to throw money at it
I hate sweeping comments like this with no basis in fact. His spending at Rangers was modest - about £28m over 3 seasons and with that he delivered the league.
That's more than every other club in Scotland combined so not, in any way, "modest". He only "delivered" one trophy out of nine despite the financial doping. If the English equivalent, Man City, did the same, the manager would have been sacked.
But you're failing to take into consideration the fact that they'd had to do a complete rebuild job, which Gerrard finalised. They weren't in the position that Man City are in where they'd dominated for a decade.
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Sure, that doesn't make his spending "modest", though. It also doesn't explain why he won fewer trophies than mighty St Johnstone.
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I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
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The team that spent the most money won the league. Hardly anything to get excited about. If Derek McInnes or Steve Clark had been "Rangers" manager for the same period and won the same number of trophies, there would not have been a single person listing them as a contender for the Villa job. His appointment was entirely based on starfucking, just as it was when we were linked with Henry a couple of years earlier.
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The team that spent the most money won the league. Hardly anything to get excited about. If Derek McInnes or Steve Clark had been "Rangers" manager for the same period and won the same number of trophies, there would not have been a single person listing them as a contender for the Villa job. His appointment was entirely based on starfucking, just as it was when we were linked with Henry a couple of years earlier.
Well yes. I'm pretty sure I used that exact term on here when the rumour first emerged that he was in the frame.
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That's unfair. I hate Rangers more than him, with Brazillian Villain and Percy in the Champions League spots
Now that's a kick in the bollocks.
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Man United aren't in a two team league. If Man City win one trophy out of the next nine then (assuming they don't win the Champions League), Guardiola would be sacked.
There is no planet on which winning one trophy out of nine in a two team league having outspent all your rivals can be considered successful, and no amount of rewriting history can prove otherwise.
What do their fans think of his tenure there? Do they think he under performed? I note they havent won the SPL since he left. Whether it was him or Beale, they delivered what other managers seem to have struggled to, two horse race or not. He did ok in the Europa league as well didn't he?
I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
I agree with Lee.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. It would probably be unfair to disparage van Bronckhorst for not having won the league yet when he's only had a season in charge and Gerrard was in charge for the first half of it. They finished second, which is where they were when Gerrard left.
I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing competitions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
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Also, Brazilian Villain is banned from the list of "Rangers" haters for being a Tory.
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That's unfair. I hate Rangers more than him, with Brazillian Villain and Percy in the Champions League spots
Now that's a kick in the bollocks.
There's still time to force your way in, Brazillian Villain's '70's man' lifestyle of chicks, Hi Karate and Vesta curries will catch up cause him to blow up in March.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
Someone's in a sulk today. Feel free to debate the argument or don't, I don't care either way.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
Is it bollocks.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
Someone's in a sulk today. Feel free to debate the argument or don't, I don't care either way.
There's no point debating it, I know the arguments for both sides. The ownership of the club doesn't define it's history or spirit, no matter how much glee them going into liquidation gave you. We probably came pretty close ourselves, and it's just the type of insult Blues fans would have loved to level at us as we fought out way back. But we all would have remained fans and still seen it as our club, with our history playing at our ground in our colours. No matter the technicalities of ownership.
I'm not a Rangers fan nor a fan of Scottish football. I have no afinty for them whatsoever. I can just identify Blues levels of obsession when I see it.
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Steve Bruce is available :)
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Saying you hate Rangers is like saying you hate Nazis.
It's not obsession, it's moral obligation.
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
Someone's in a sulk today. Feel free to debate the argument or don't, I don't care either way.
There's no point debating it, I know the arguments for both sides. The ownership of the club doesn't define it's history or spirit, no matter how much glee them going into liquidation gave you. We probably came pretty close ourselves, and it's just the type of insult Blues fans would have loved to level at us as we fought out way back. But we all would have remained fans and still seen it as our club, with our history playing at our ground in our colours. No matter the technicalities of ownership.
I'm not a Rangers fan nor a fan of Scottish football. I have no afinty for them whatsoever. I can just identify Blues levels of obsession when I see it.
Hatred of bigotry and Far Right politics makes me "Blues", sure. This is a pretty shoddy post even by your standards. Rangers died.
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I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
I agree, his record at Rangers was fine, not spectacular but not a failure. His spending was massive in scotland but not ridiculous compared to teams in other leagues. Coupled with everything else it suggested he was an ok manager but was so inexperienced in genuniely competitive football (as a manager obviously) that he'd never been challenged in a way he inevitably would be with us.
What the last year has shown is that when things aren't working he struggles to turn it around and his only success has come from stripping away almost all creativity and attacking flair to protect a clean sheet and hope for something on the counter attack. We've had that strip back approach 3 times now and the first 2 times it gave a short term boost but he couldn't sustain it, I suspect we're going to see a hattrick on that front betwene now and the world cup but if he does actuallly work it out this time he'll save his job and hopefully start to look like he knows what he's doing.
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Steve Bruce is available :)
He should always be available IMO
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Steve Bruce is available :)
Anyone up for giving him a second chance? Haha
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"Rangers" don't play in the SPL. I deliberately excluded the European trophies when listing completions he had failed to win as considered that an unfair expectation. He did okay in the Europa League, his successor has already bettered any of his achievements in Europe.
The Sevco stuff is tedious too. Grow up.
Someone's in a sulk today. Feel free to debate the argument or don't, I don't care either way.
There's no point debating it, I know the arguments for both sides. The ownership of the club doesn't define it's history or spirit, no matter how much glee them going into liquidation gave you. We probably came pretty close ourselves, and it's just the type of insult Blues fans would have loved to level at us as we fought out way back. But we all would have remained fans and still seen it as our club, with our history playing at our ground in our colours. No matter the technicalities of ownership.
I'm not a Rangers fan nor a fan of Scottish football. I have no afinty for them whatsoever. I can just identify Blues levels of obsession when I see it.
Hatred of bigotry and Far Right politics makes me "Blues", sure. This is a pretty shoddy post even by your standards. Rangers died.
Not at all. Your level of obsession is similar to Blues. The Sevco thing is childish. Tha't all.
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I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
I agree, his record at Rangers was fine, not spectacular but not a failure. His spending was massive in scotland but not ridiculous compared to teams in other leagues. Coupled with everything else it suggested he was an ok manager but was so inexperienced in genuniely competitive football (as a manager obviously) that he'd never been challenged in a way he inevitably would be with us.
What the last year has shown is that when things aren't working he struggles to turn it around and his only success has come from stripping away almost all creativity and attacking flair to protect a clean sheet and hope for something on the counter attack. We've had that strip back approach 3 times now and the first 2 times it gave a short term boost but he couldn't sustain it, I suspect we're going to see a hattrick on that front betwene now and the world cup but if he does actuallly work it out this time he'll save his job and hopefully start to look like he knows what he's doing.
Spot on Paul.
He may someday work it out and be a good manager, I don't think he's incompetent, just he should never have been given this job at this stage of his career.
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If you want to tolerate bigotry, that's up to you. Don't castigate others for having higher moral standards.
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I should add that I like your posts and your posting style CD, you're one of my favourite posters on the site. I was just pointing out that im my opinion your views on Gerrard and his spell at Rangers aren't entirely balanced.
I've come to agree with you on his abilities as a manager in the PL, just not with the same level of venom.
Cheers and apologies if I've wound you up.
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Steve Bruce is available :)
Anyone up for giving him a second chance? Haha
He'd steady the ship, vertically, but still.
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I should add that I like your posts and your posting style CD, you're one of my favourite posters on the site. I was just pointing out that im my opinion your views on Gerrard and his spell at Rangers aren't entirely balanced.
I've come to agree with you on his abilities as a manager in the PL, just not with the same level of venom.
Cheers and apologies if I've wound you up.
Ha, ta mate! You're alright, sorry for being an arse. Lots of people are pissing me off today (not you or anyone on here).
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Whilst doing some research earlier regarding filling a Brucey Bingo card, I was reminded that Newcastle are the only PL club to appoint him since the noughties. And he's not won three in a row in the PL since he was at Wigan, January 2009.
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Steve Bruce is available :)
He should always be available IMO
Chicken & Basket circuit after-dinner speaking in down-at-heel towns. I'd say he'd be good craic and tell a decent story or two.
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I fear Poch has already turned us down otherwise he would be here now.
Why do people keep saying that? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
Agree,
He must have been sounded out by some of these managerless clubs, but he’s still available.
I actually think he’s keeping one eye on our situation.
Obviously, though, he won’t hang around forever
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I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
Agreed Lee. It might be Scotland, and some may sneer at that, but what he achieved was impressive breaking Celtic’s domination. It wasn’t luck. He learned as he went. He had help. All managers need that. Pep and Sir Alex haven’t and didn’t do it all alone. And they both spent a fortune buying in some of the best talent ever to help out. So criticize him when he deserves it but reserve praise when it’s warranted also.
The reason I want Gerrard gone, other than the results since January, is that I simply don’t see the shoots of improvement. Collectively or individually. The football is abysmal. He is literally trying now to keep the score 0-0 and pinch a goal. There are clubs with less talent than us playing much better football, yet he’s crawled into a very conservative shell. He created an entirely unnecessary bomb squad. Without merit created a captaincy issue because his ego needed “his captain”, which has been a resounding failure. He has destroyed whatever was left of Coutinho. He is shitting on Cam Archer’s promising career because he has this misguided belief in Watkins and Ings. And in their defence I suppose we don’t even create great chances for them. And when we do Watkins misses them all. We have one of the lowest work rates in the league. He is a miserable prick in the media when giving interviews. Our connection to the club doesn’t have to be where it was with Dean Smith but it’s as far away as possible with the environment created by Gerrard. That’s why I’m done with him.
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I don't think it's fair to disparage his record at Rangers in honesty, and I think when you do it looks like you're looking for reasons to dislike him, when the shite football we have to watch is enough on it's own.
Agreed Lee. It might be Scotland, and some may sneer at that, but what he achieved was impressive breaking Celtic’s domination. It wasn’t luck. He learned as he went. He had help. All managers need that. Pep and Sir Alex haven’t and didn’t do it all alone. And they both spent a fortune buying in some of the best talent ever to help out. So criticize him when he deserves it but reserve praise when it’s warranted also.
The reason I want Gerrard gone, other than the results since January, is that I simply don’t see the shoots of improvement. Collectively or individually. The football is abysmal. He is literally trying now to keep the score 0-0 and pinch a goal. There are clubs with less talent than us playing much better football, yet he’s crawled into a very conservative shell. He created an entirely unnecessary bomb squad. Without merit created a captaincy issue because his ego needed “his captain”, which has been a resounding failure. He has destroyed whatever was left of Coutinho. He is shitting on Cam Archer’s promising career because he has this misguided belief in Watkins and Ings. And in their defence I suppose we don’t even create great chances for them. And when we do Watkins misses them all. We have one of the lowest work rates in the league. He is a miserable prick in the media when giving interviews. Our connection to the club doesn’t have to be where it was with Dean Smith but it’s as far away as possible with the environment created by Gerrard. That’s why I’m done with him.
That's pretty much it pal.
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I'm not fussed about his interview style, in fact I quite like it. But otherwise I pretty much agree with all that TV.
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My mate who is a Rangers fan told me exactly how it all would go. Now granted he had success up there so the post defeat press conferences were less frequent. But all the same snarky comments and body language. The combative posture and expressions. The I know better than you body language. It’s fine if you are Alex Ferguson or Mourinho when your trophy cabinet needs its own house. But when you are on your way having done very little, and especially at a higher level like the PL, then be humble. And when you are being your version of humble and you lose again stop saying shit you are not changing or will change. Stop being stubborn and genuinely try something new to get us going again. But like all managers on their last legs he will revert to form and die on that hill.
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I'm not fussed about his interview style, in fact I quite like it. But otherwise I pretty much agree with all that TV.
I wouldn't have a problem with it if it came after us playing really well and getting great results. Because then he'd have earned the right to be dismissive of stupid questions. The issue he has is that the questions are bound to come because, well, we're shit.
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A big week for Steven Gerrard, given we are just two points out of the bottom three but a win could take us seven places of the table. Lose tonight and I guess we look on the gloomy side. Hope for win though and something positive. Not as if Purslow will bin his bestie.
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I'm not fussed about his interview style, in fact I quite like it. But otherwise I pretty much agree with all that TV.
I wouldn't have a problem with it if it came after us playing really well and getting great results. Because then he'd have earned the right to be dismissive of stupid questions. The issue he has is that the questions are bound to come because, well, we're shit.
Very true. I guess it's just not the thing I'm personally stringing him up for - it just doesn't bother me. I'm sacking him because, as you so concisely put it, we're shit.
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That's unfair. I hate Rangers more than him, with Brazillian Villain and Percy in the Champions League spots
Now that's a kick in the bollocks.
We should be getting five spots soon based on our co-efficient.
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If we want to continue with the young English theme, maybe QPRs manager is worth a punt?
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Edit: wrong thread.
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If Pochettino is even remotely an option, get it done. I’ve lost patience now, because there’s clearly no coherent way forward.
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Why does everyone say Pochettino when Tuchel is probably more gettable and maybe even better?
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Pochettino and Tuchel. If Gerrard is potted, I think fans will be very, very disappointed. Thse two aren't coming anywhere near VP.
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Why does everyone say Pochettino when Tuchel is probably more gettable and maybe even better?
I'd be delighted with either, and think that Risso is very wrong. 🙂
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Although didn't Tuchel play five at the back? 🤔
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Why does everyone say Pochettino when Tuchel is probably more gettable and maybe even better?
Don't think Tuchel is more gettable.
His stock is very high from winning CL and also getting PSG to the final in consecutive seasons.
Poch gave the impression in constant interviews he hated every second of managing PSG so I think he's more likely to take over club below elite and try to build them up like he did with Spurs.
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I just cannot see Poch or Tuchel being interested.
Prove me wrong guys
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If the owners are tightening their belts and are therefore not going to throw a £100 million at the club each season then I cannot see the likes of Poch or Tuchel being interested in taking the job
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Although didn't Tuchel play five at the back? 🤔
Playing 5 at the back as that is your philosophy and has brought success compared to playing 5 at the back to try something different as an act of desperation are two different things.
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If the owners are tightening their belts and are therefore not going to throw a £100 million at the club each season then I cannot see the likes of Poch or Tuchel being interested in taking the job
exactly.
We are in the up and coming or uninspiring but safe pair of hands market.
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
There's none whatsoever.
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If the owners are tightening their belts and are therefore not going to throw a £100 million at the club each season then I cannot see the likes of Poch or Tuchel being interested in taking the job
If that's true and they want to reign in the spending a bit, this is why Potter would've been ideal imo. He was convinced he'd not get a 'top' job because he was English, ginger and called Potter. I reckon he'd have jumped at the chance to come here.
But whatever, that ship has sailed now. The only thing the owners have got wrong is appointing Gerrard, or letting Purslow blag them to appoint Gerrard. If they let this drift with us continuing to stink the place out picking up a point a game then I'd start to wonder about them. Or if they bin Gerrard and appoint another gamble, then I'd start to wonder. Other than that, they've been pretty much perfect.
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Obviously I'd like Poch, but it feels unlikely.
Alough he may not be particularly likeable, before this season I've always considered Rodgers to be a very good manager. I'm not sure why the wheels have come off at Leicester, but I would have thought he'd get much more out of this squad than Gerrard has.
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
There's none whatsoever.
I'm not sure that's true. Our low net spend over two seasons, the very uninspiring end to the summer transfer window and Purslow's comments all look like evidence to me.
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
There's none whatsoever.
I'm not sure that's true. Our low net spend over two seasons, the very uninspiring end to the summer transfer window and Purslow's comments all look like evidence to me.
And allowing this run of results and performances to continue as long as it has.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
I can't be arsed to work it out again, but 'net' it's not very much. Something like £20m.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
I can't be arsed to work it out again, but 'net' it's not very much. Something like £20m.
Well if you finish 11th, which we did 2 seasons ago, and spend around £7m per window from them on then you are only going to go backwards.
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OK, i've heard speculation on all of
Poch
Franks
Emery (Can't see him leaving Villareal)
Tuchel
Rodgers
Anyone else?
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
I can't be arsed to work it out again, but 'net' it's not very much. Something like £20m.
Well if you finish 11th, which we did 2 seasons ago, and spend around £7m per window from them on then you are only going to go backwards.
And we have, and are
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
I can't be arsed to work it out again, but 'net' it's not very much. Something like £20m.
Well if you finish 11th, which we did 2 seasons ago, and spend around £7m per window from them on then you are only going to go backwards.
That let's Gerrard off the hook for ten months of crap football and form slightly better than relegation. And isn't our wage bill (a better metric in the opinion of certain experts) said to be the 8th highest in the league?
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
I believe there’s a quote from the fan’s forum meeting about being self sustaining, one in one out …. I’m sure someone on here can quote
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We would get Pochettino easily if we are willing to back him.
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We would get Pochettino easily if we are willing to back him.
That’ll be the sticking point (possibly)
I can see Dyche incoming or possibly Brendan if they fire him.
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We should have gone after potter in the first place. I'd be looking at poaching Frank from Brentford, then possibly Svensson or Knutson. Jury is out on Emery but at least he has PL experience
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
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We would get Pochettino easily if we are willing to back him.
That’ll be the sticking point (possibly)
I can see Dyche incoming
Come on, now. We've all had a drink but this is getting silly.
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I take the one in one out stuff as more controlling the wage bill. Considering more than once we've seen how financially fucked we've been by having too many players picking up wages while sat twiddling their thumbs month after month, I agree with it.
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OK, i've heard speculation on all of
Poch
Franks
Emery (Can't see him leaving Villareal)
Tuchel
Rodgers
Anyone else?
That last option is almost appealing, but the thought that Bruce is out of work again scares me...
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I take the one in one out stuff as more controlling the wage bill. Considering more than once we've seen how financially fucked we've been by having too many players picking up wages while sat twiddling their thumbs month after month, I agree with it.
Not just that, the squad is limited to 25 people, any players over 21 who aren't in that 25 are completely pointless. Including loaned players (in and out) we currently have 29 over 21s (and 25 are actually with us currently). Moving players out to create space is just the right thing to do at this point.
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Just seen on Twitter that Dyche isn't interested in the WBA job as he's holding out for a PL gig, and thinks he has a chance with a Midlands club shortly. Gulp.
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Just seen on Twitter that Dyche isn't interested in the WBA job as he's holding out for a PL gig, and thinks he has a chance with a Midlands club shortly. Gulp.
Leicester
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Just seen on Twitter that Dyche isn't interested in the WBA job as he's holding out for a PL gig, and thinks he has a chance with a Midlands club shortly. Gulp.
Leicester
They've got far too much sense to do that. Meanwhile our CEO thought Roy Hodgson was a good fit for for Liverpool.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
Well it's down to whether you are looking at have the managers had money to build a team or have our owners ploughed significant funds into transfers in the last two years? The anwer to the second is notsomuch on transfer fees if you are looking for a sign on whether their financial support is waning. Of course wages have gone up significantly but that had to happen if we wanted to be competitive.
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Just seen on Twitter that Dyche isn't interested in the WBA job as he's holding out for a PL gig, and thinks he has a chance with a Midlands club shortly. Gulp.
Oh fuck. Please God no.
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We aren't appointing Dyche. We don't have Randy Lerner as Chairman.
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Just seen on Twitter that Dyche isn't interested in the WBA job as he's holding out for a PL gig, and thinks he has a chance with a Midlands club shortly. Gulp.
I quite like Sean Dyche but I do not want him as manager of Villa.
I actually think he's bright enough to adapt his tactics and may be far more progressive with a better squad and may do well in his next job. I just really don't want us to be the club that tests that theory.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
Well it's down to whether you are looking at have the managers had money to build a team or have our owners ploughed significant funds into transfers in the last two years? The anwer to the second is notsomuch on transfer fees if you are looking for a sign on whether their financial support is waning. Of course wages have gone up significantly but that had to happen if we wanted to be competitive.
The second is a pointless thing to care about though, if the money has been available to make signings that the manager wants and thinks will improve us as a team/squad then does it matter where the funds for that have come from?
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I don't like Sean Dyche. Any success he's had has been built on shockingly bad football and injuring the opposition. And, much worse, he thinks he's a 'character'.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
Well it's down to whether you are looking at have the managers had money to build a team or have our owners ploughed significant funds into transfers in the last two years? The anwer to the second is notsomuch on transfer fees if you are looking for a sign on whether their financial support is waning. Of course wages have gone up significantly but that had to happen if we wanted to be competitive.
The second is a pointless thing to care about though, if the money has been available to make signings that the manager wants and thinks will improve us as a team/squad then does it matter where the funds for that have come from?
It depends what discussion you're having. If the discussion is are the owners reducing their investment in the team? (losing interest etc or however you wnat t put it) then the evidence of the summer window and the low net spend is clearly relevant. If we truly had ambitions to be top 4-6 then theoretically we could have done much, much more and still been well with FFP limits.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
Well it's down to whether you are looking at have the managers had money to build a team or have our owners ploughed significant funds into transfers in the last two years? The anwer to the second is notsomuch on transfer fees if you are looking for a sign on whether their financial support is waning. Of course wages have gone up significantly but that had to happen if we wanted to be competitive.
The second is a pointless thing to care about though, if the money has been available to make signings that the manager wants and thinks will improve us as a team/squad then does it matter where the funds for that have come from?
It depends what discussion you're having. If the discussion is are the owners reducing their investment in the team? (losing interest etc or however you wnat t put it) then the evidence of the summer window and the low net spend is clearly relevant. If we truly had ambitions to be top 4-6 then theoretically we could have done much, much more and still been well with FFP limits.
Nope, because they're still investing a good amount of money into the squad, all that's changed is where exactly that money comes from. From a club and squad perspective that makes absolutely no difference. Would Kamara be a better signing if we'd paid £50m for him because, by your flawed logic, that would show more investment in the squad. Would Coutinho have played better if Chuk hadn't left to pay for him?
Also whilst we could have done more we know that we could have Sarr in the squad right now but Gerrard decided against it so there was clearly more money available. We also have a full squad so, as Purslow is right to have said, we need to move players out to make room for new signings still. That's a big part of the problem when you make 8-10 new signings every season, it very quickly leads to you not having the space in the squad without creating a bomb squad (and all the negatives that come with that).
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No way can I put up with Dyche until he learns to clear his throat before speaking.
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I don't like Sean Dyche. Any success he's had has been built on shockingly bad football and injuring the opposition. And, much worse, he thinks he's a 'character'.
Was he more of a Roll With It Man than He Thought Of Cars?
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I don't like Sean Dyche. Any success he's had has been built on shockingly bad football and injuring the opposition. And, much worse, he thinks he's a 'character'.
Was he more of a Roll With It Man than He Thought Of Cars?
Without doubt.
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Dyche would be a massive statement. A statement that say's to the world Aston Villa have given up.
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Dyche is going to Wolves I reckon.
No way we would be looking at the ginger bouncer.
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Dyche would fit well at Villa.
He doesn’t need a midfield for his style of play, and we don’t have one. Perfect fit.
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How much have we spent during the last 3 windows?
Well I guess it depends if you think actual spend or net spend is what matters. If you're just looking for a stick to beat the owners with then you'll go for the latter and ignore the roughly £160m we've bought in through sales and loans in that time so you can pretend that we've only spent £20m rather than the actually £180m of signings we really made.
Well it's down to whether you are looking at have the managers had money to build a team or have our owners ploughed significant funds into transfers in the last two years? The anwer to the second is notsomuch on transfer fees if you are looking for a sign on whether their financial support is waning. Of course wages have gone up significantly but that had to happen if we wanted to be competitive.
The second is a pointless thing to care about though, if the money has been available to make signings that the manager wants and thinks will improve us as a team/squad then does it matter where the funds for that have come from?
It depends what discussion you're having. If the discussion is are the owners reducing their investment in the team? (losing interest etc or however you wnat t put it) then the evidence of the summer window and the low net spend is clearly relevant. If we truly had ambitions to be top 4-6 then theoretically we could have done much, much more and still been well with FFP limits.
Nope, because they're still investing a good amount of money into the squad, all that's changed is where exactly that money comes from. From a club and squad perspective that makes absolutely no difference. Would Kamara be a better signing if we'd paid £50m for him because, by your flawed logic, that would show more investment in the squad. Would Coutinho have played better if Chuk hadn't left to pay for him?
Also whilst we could have done more we know that we could have Sarr in the squad right now but Gerrard decided against it so there was clearly more money available. We also have a full squad so, as Purslow is right to have said, we need to move players out to make room for new signings still. That's a big part of the problem when you make 8-10 new signings every season, it very quickly leads to you not having the space in the squad without creating a bomb squad (and all the negatives that come with that).
We could, for example, gone and signed Scamacca or Isak (or Bissouma in Jan) etc and still had a pretty modest net spend over 2-3 seasons. It's not about 8-10 signings, it's about quiality to improve the first 11. Either Lange isn't doing his job or the owners have reined it it. Which it it?
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Maybe we're identifying the right players and then being quoted stupid prices which we're rightly not paying?
As an example we got Kamara ahead of others. I'm sure his wages etc are nothing to be sniffed at. We were also after Sarr and had everything agreed, until the manager allegedly pulled the plug. Then there's the outlay on salaries for Buendia, Bailey, Coutinho, Ings and Digne which will not be insignificant.
We don't have a great income stream with no European football, and low commercial revenues. FFP plays a part.
It's easy to tell the club to go out and buy all the best players and money is no object, but it shouldn't work that way.
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It's easy to tell the club to go out and buy all the best players and money is no object, but it shouldn't work that way.
If we are to compete at "the very top" that is how it works. I think our owners have settled rather than lost interest. They now understand the level of investment it'd take to make Villa a CL-contender and have decided that is not for them. Thus the club now needing to be self-sustainable, get some additional revenue from an expanded stadium to help with that and plod along mid-table (hopefully), over time generating some ROI until they sell for good money sometime in the future.
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We could, for example, gone and signed Scamacca or Isak (or Bissouma in Jan) etc and still had a pretty modest net spend over 2-3 seasons. It's not about 8-10 signings, it's about quiality to improve the first 11. Either Lange isn't doing his job or the owners have reined it it. Which it it?
Did we want Scamacca or Isak? Did Gerrard even think he needed a forward (the evidence suggests not)?
We wanted Bissouma, and bid for him, but he held out and went to a club that's playing in Europe, unless the owners start throwing stupid wages and signing fees at players to try to bribe them into joining us there's not much they can do about that.
You've completely misunderstood my 8-10 signings point, what I was saying is that because we've been making 8-10 signings a season we've hit a point where the squad is full, we have too many senior players on our books right now (27 I think) and next summer that gets worse as Ramsey and Archer (I think) will need to be registered. We can't just throw money at signing, for example, a new striker without recognising that we need to move on one of our current strikers to make space.
As for the last bit, right now you're arguing that:
Many of our players are shit
Our signings are shit
Our owners have given up
Our manager is shit
At most 1-2 of those are likely to be true and the others are a consequence of them.
For example, if Gerrard is shit and has done nothing to improve our players or get them working like a team then, as a consequence, our players will look shit and our signings will look shit and, as a further consequence of all of that, it will look like the solution is that we need to spend a lot more money and the owners are at fault for not doing so.
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Ashley Young, player manager. Go on Villa roll the dice, but please not Dyche.
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We could, for example, gone and signed Scamacca or Isak (or Bissouma in Jan) etc and still had a pretty modest net spend over 2-3 seasons. It's not about 8-10 signings, it's about quiality to improve the first 11. Either Lange isn't doing his job or the owners have reined it it. Which it it?
Did we want Scamacca or Isak? Did Gerrard even think he needed a forward (the evidence suggests not)?
We wanted Bissouma, and bid for him, but he held out and went to a club that's playing in Europe, unless the owners start throwing stupid wages and signing fees at players to try to bribe them into joining us there's not much they can do about that.
You've completely misunderstood my 8-10 signings point, what I was saying is that because we've been making 8-10 signings a season we've hit a point where the squad is full, we have too many senior players on our books right now (27 I think) and next summer that gets worse as Ramsey and Archer (I think) will need to be registered. We can't just throw money at signing, for example, a new striker without recognising that we need to move on one of our current strikers to make space.
As for the last bit, right now you're arguing that:
Many of our players are shit
Our signings are shit
Our owners have given up
Our manager is shit
At most 1-2 of those are likely to be true and the others are a consequence of them.
For example, if Gerrard is shit and has done nothing to improve our players or get them working like a team then, as a consequence, our players will look shit and our signings will look shit and, as a further consequence of all of that, it will look like the solution is that we need to spend a lot more money and the owners are at fault for not doing so.
I wasn't arguing our owners have given up - I was pointing out why net spend was relevant to the discussion being had. I don't think they've given up, but they do appear to be reining it in which is a shame just as Newcastle are making their move.
I'm arguing that I think Watkins has been pretty shit last season and this.
And as for the other two points on our signings and manager, well quite. They speak for themselves.
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Have they reigned it in or were the players we wanted not available? It seems they were prepared to spend big on Bissouma and a fee was presumably agreed for Sarr. They could have got some money for Luiz but chose not to and bought in Dendoncker. We haven't exactly been watching the pennies.
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We aren't appointing Dyche. We don't have Randy Lerner as Chairman.
But we do have Purslow who is/was a big fan a few summers back.
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I wasn't arguing our owners have given up - I was pointing out why net spend was relevant to the discussion being had. I don't think they've given up, but they do appear to be reining it in which is a shame just as Newcastle are making their move.
I'm arguing that I think Watkins has been pretty shit last season and this.
And as for the other two points on our signings and manager, well quite. They speak for themselves.
But if the owners have reined it in then we can't expect to improve by the logic that you and many others have regarding net spend.
Last season Watkins was 1 of 25 players to hit double figures in this league, in a team that was struggling. I'm not arguing that he was brilliant but there's a bit of spectrum between Haaland and Gestede and whilst he's not getting close to the former he's also many times better than the latter, but according to many on here he's a championship (or league one in 1 case) quality player. That's utter nonsense and exactly the sort of hyperbolic claptrap that makes sensible points about where he needs to improve and what we need to do to get him back in form get lost amongst the noise.
That said I can't be arsed carrying on with any of this whilst you're in a sulk over last night still.
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Have they reigned it in or were the players we wanted not available? It seems they were prepared to spend big on Bissouma and a fee was presumably agreed for Sarr. They could have got some money for Luiz but chose not to and bought in Dendoncker. We haven't exactly been watching the pennies.
Quite. The manager may want the best players but they aren't normally available to clubs not in Europe.
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But we can still find good players that aren’t demanded CL football. I think of many of the players Leicester bought. Even players like Guimares at Newcastle as a more recent example. He’s been superb. We can find those players. And a good manager with European connections can help in that matter.
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OK, i've heard speculation on all of
Poch
Franks
Emery (Can't see him leaving Villareal)
Tuchel
Rodgers
Anyone else?
Bo Svensson
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If the owners are tightening their belts ...
where's the actual evidence for this?
I believe there’s a quote from the fan’s forum meeting about being self sustaining, one in one out …. I’m sure someone on here can quote
The way I read that sounded like a 'he said that / she said that' moment - not a verbatim, attributed and clearly articulated statement.
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But we can still find good players that aren’t demanded CL football. I think of many of the players Leicester bought. Even players like Guimares at Newcastle as a more recent example. He’s been superb. We can find those players. And a good manager with European connections can help in that matter.
Yep.
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But we can still find good players that aren’t demanded CL football. I think of many of the players Leicester bought. Even players like Guimares at Newcastle as a more recent example. He’s been superb. We can find those players. And a good manager with European connections can help in that matter.
Like Kamara, Carlos, Buendia, Coutinho you mean?
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But we can still find good players that aren’t demanded CL football. I think of many of the players Leicester bought. Even players like Guimares at Newcastle as a more recent example. He’s been superb. We can find those players. And a good manager with European connections can help in that matter.
Like Kamara, and Carlos. I suspect we were hoping that Bailey and Buendia met that criteria as well.
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But we can still find good players that aren’t demanded CL football. I think of many of the players Leicester bought. Even players like Guimares at Newcastle as a more recent example. He’s been superb. We can find those players. And a good manager with European connections can help in that matter.
Like Kamara, Carlos, Buendia, Coutinho you mean?
Yes we have bought good players, so even without European football it’s possible to get them. And there are more players out there just like that. Get the right manager, playing the right way to get the best out of them and we will be just fine. Gerrard isn’t close to being that manager.
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The players aren't important whilst we have this useless, full back obsessed, miserable finger pointer in the job.
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Poch is the outstanding candidate but can't help feeling he will hold out for a better offer.
Emery has calibre but not sure he can do it in the prem. Laid a lot of foundations for Arteta.
Rodgers is a good manager doing poorly, and has proven so at Leicester.
Not Dyche please.
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Poch is the outstanding candidate but can't help feeling he will hold out for a better offer.
Emery has calibre but not sure he can do it in the prem. Laid a lot of foundations for Arteta.
Rodgers is a good manager doing poorly, and has proven so at Leicester.
Not Dyche please.
I'd love Poch, I'd take Emery as a very good second choice if he's interested. Rodgers would be a decent fall back option but I still think he's a bit of a prick.
Dyche and all of his ilk can fuck right off, we don't need another fucking throw-back.
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if Ralph Hasenhüttl get's the boot from Southampton, then I can see him being next for us. Meh.
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Why not just get Beale in if he’s the genius?
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Ian Beale would be better.
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Ian Beale would be better.
He’s busy living in a van.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Like Wolves
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
And a brand-new crest on the way
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
If Newcastle were after him 12 months ago I’d have certainly laughed.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
And a brand-new crest on the way
That’s it.
He’s on the way. SOLD! :)
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
but utter shite on the pitch :D
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
Absolutely. Anyway, he went to Spurs so he ain’t that fussy.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
without a doubt.
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
What? You’re telling me you didn’t get excited about McLeish then?
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
Fair enough, that's understandable.
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
What? You’re telling me you didn’t get excited about McLeish then?
I remember being in Tesco in Cradley Heath when that was announced.
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
What? You’re telling me you didn’t get excited about McLeish then?
I remember being in Tesco in Cradley Heath when that was announced.
It was very much our generation's "JFK Moment".
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
What? You’re telling me you didn’t get excited about McLeish then?
I remember being in Tesco in Cradley Heath when that was announced.
It was very much our generation's "JFK Moment".
My generations 9/11 moment ;)
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Everton were actually in the bottom 3 when they appointed Ancelotti three seasons back.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Everton were actually in the bottom 3 when they appointed Ancelotti three seasons back.
And Newcastle were in the shit and went down after appointing benitez.
No way we can't get Poch if we want him.
Rogers would also be a good appointment. There are good options out there, so no excuse for not getting a decent replacement if Gerrard gets the push.
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If another club in a similar state as us fans were talking about Poch then we’d be laughing at them.
Does 'similar state to us' mean owned by 2 billionaires with a combined worth of well over 10bn, with a massive ground expansion plan in the works?
And a brand-new crest on the way
First laugh I've had all day
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It's hard to see us taking another hopeful punt on a manager with no premier league experience. Not after the current disaster.
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Sean it is then.
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It's hard to see us taking another hopeful punt on a manager with no premier league experience. Not after the current disaster.
You mean we're not going for the next Remi Garde?
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Klopp and Guardiola seemed to do ok without Premier League experience ;)
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I’ve got excited before when we’ve been talking about managers. I’m just not getting my hopes up this time. It tends to just go to shit.
Fair enough, that's understandable.
The bit in bold should be part of our new club crest
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This is football. Unlikely things are made reality frequently. Pochettino is probably not as unlikely as some think, but of course he's going to need assurances before risking his reputation turning up at the managerial graveyard that is VP.
For Villa to progress, we are going to need some unlikely things happen to get past the glass ceilings we'll come up against. It's a challenge for the owners to demonstrate that they can make this happen. They lost their first major battle with not being able to keep Joe. It's time for them to show they mean business with making Villa a force and not just a club happy to be in the EPL.
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We want Poch. We want Poch.
Oh no. Southgate.
:)
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We want Poch. We want Poch.
Oh no. Southgate.
:)
Jesus. I'd rather have McLeish than Southgate.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
James Rodriguez was their Coutinho, had to chase him out eventually. I can't see why the likes of Poch or Tuchel wouldn't be interested. If our owners are still keen on filling out a 60k capacity stadium then the playing squad needs sustained investment over a number of years. It's a good gig.
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
I think a lot of that was timing though, he was in the middle of an unexpected run to the Champions League knock out stages with Villareal, had that not been the case I think he'd have gone.
He's clearly a talented guy, but I've said before I think he'll struggle again in the UK because he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
I think a lot of that was timing though, he was in the middle of an unexpected run to the Champions League knock out stages with Villareal, had that not been the case I think he'd have gone.
He's clearly a talented guy, but I've said before I think he'll struggle again in the UK because he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
Also
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Ooh you are awful!
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
I think a lot of that was timing though, he was in the middle of an unexpected run to the Champions League knock out stages with Villareal, had that not been the case I think he'd have gone.
He's clearly a talented guy, but I've said before I think he'll struggle again in the UK because he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
This is absolutely ridiculous. It matters to you for some bizarre reason
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he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
You might be on to something. You never see/hear a successful manager with a squeaky voice. Alan Ball, Emlyn Hughes, Peter Shreeves. Erm, Gerrard… all shit. And no wonder Carragher sticks to punditry
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
I think a lot of that was timing though, he was in the middle of an unexpected run to the Champions League knock out stages with Villareal, had that not been the case I think he'd have gone.
He's clearly a talented guy, but I've said before I think he'll struggle again in the UK because he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
This is absolutely ridiculous. It matters to you for some bizarre reason
It matters in the image concious world we live in, and characteristics will be viewed differently in different cultures.
I'm not at all saying it's right or fair, but we don't live in a world that is right or fair.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
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As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.
For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.
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Julen Lopetegui turned down Wolves as he wants the Villa job?
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As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.
For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.
In what universe would we be limited to those three?
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Yes, sure. But that isn't relevant in discussing whether Villa could appoint a similar big name, which was what was being debated.
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Also I'm not sure on which planet some people seem to think Southgate is going to be unemployed soon. Unless there is some sex/bung/slagging off disabled people scandal that I don't know about.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Yes, sure. But that isn't relevant in discussing whether Villa could appoint a similar big name, which was what was being debated.
You don't think if we went for a big name that after a year if Real Madrid came knocking they'd leave?
Southgate goes after the world cup unless England reach the semis. he's done, found out, toast. good day to you sir, good day.
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As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.
For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.
In what universe would we be limited to those three?
Since O'Neill left we have appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, Smith and Gerrard. That universe.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Yes, sure. But that isn't relevant in discussing whether Villa could appoint a similar big name, which was what was being debated.
You don't think if we went for a big name that after a year if Real Madrid came knocking they'd leave?
Southgate goes after the world cup unless England reach the semis. he's done, found out, toast. good day to you sir, good day.
I'm happy to take that risk. Rather have a manager that we might lose to Real Madrid than one whose next gig would be somewhere like West Brom.
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Or Liverpool?
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Everton were/are skint though. It's down to Sawiris and Edens to outline an ambitious vision and hand out a contract to match.
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Or Liverpool?
I've got as much chance of getting the Liverpool job as Gerrard has.
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As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.
For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.
In what universe would we be limited to those three?
Since O'Neill left we have appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, Smith and Gerrard. That universe.
Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and Bruce were appointed under clown car administrations. Smith was a great appointment; Gerrard a terrible one. The point is that we're only looking at the likes of failed or failing English managers if there is nobody at the club with a scintilla of imagination. Given we appointed Gerrard, I'm prepared to accept that's possible, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Everton were/are skint though. It's down to Sawiris and Edens to outline an ambitious vision and hand out a contract to match.
"Transfer budget is £50m, but you have to sell a player before you buy another one."
Yep, that should have Champions League standard managers beating a path to our door.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Yes, sure. But that isn't relevant in discussing whether Villa could appoint a similar big name, which was what was being debated.
You don't think if we went for a big name that after a year if Real Madrid came knocking they'd leave?
Southgate goes after the world cup unless England reach the semis. he's done, found out, toast. good day to you sir, good day.
Let's never try appointing a good manager or signing any decent players ever again then. They'll only leave, why bother? We are only little Aston Villa and should know our place.
There is no way Southgate gets sacked after making a semis and England's first final in fifty-five years, unless England get knocked out in the Group Stage. Which is virtually impossible as the group is a piece of piss. Even if they do, though, I suspect that if we are still without a new manager in December then Gerrard is here until at least the end of the season so it's irrelevant. There is more chance of them giving McLeish another go than there is of Southgate becoming Aston Villa manager this season. The future, who knows? I hope not. But he won't be out of a job the next time we are looking for one unless Gerrard improves massively.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Yes, sure. But that isn't relevant in discussing whether Villa could appoint a similar big name, which was what was being debated.
You don't think if we went for a big name that after a year if Real Madrid came knocking they'd leave?
I'd add that Ancelotti had already a successful spell at Real, knew the club and what was expected. Plus, turn them down and they won't be asking you again.
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Rumour is Poch turned us down.
Emery chat i could believe
I would love him but he turned Newcastle down because they didn't have a "clear vision".
I dread to think what he'd make of us then
I think a lot of that was timing though, he was in the middle of an unexpected run to the Champions League knock out stages with Villareal, had that not been the case I think he'd have gone.
He's clearly a talented guy, but I've said before I think he'll struggle again in the UK because he comes across a little bit ridiculous in English, his thin reedy voice and appearance kind of undermines his role. I know that sounds shallow and shouldn't matter but it does.
The guy can coach. Villareal been excellent in both their european runs and did a great number on Man. United in the europa final.
He would provide us with structure and at Arsenal gave likes of Saka and Smith Rowe their debuts so o.k with throwing youth in when they're ready.
Even at Arsenal it wasn't a disaster. 5th and europa final in his only full season. Went wrong in next one but Arteta was still finishing 8th 18 months later so was always going to be a long rebuild post Wenger.
Him on the verge of joining Newcastle a year ago suggests in his mind he feels he has unfinished business in premier league so could be one to approach during world cup break.
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Julen Lopetegui turned down Wolves as he wants the Villa job?
His Dad is ill so dosen't want to leave Spain.
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I think Southgate would join us after the World Cup if we wanted him. He's had a few big tournaments now and a plumb job in the PL would probably be really appealing as a new challenge.
I just hope to god we are not fucking stupid enough to offer it to him.
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
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I think Southgate would join us after the World Cup if we wanted him. He's had a few big tournaments now and a plumb job in the PL would probably be really appealing as a new challenge.
I just hope to god we are not fucking stupid enough to offer it to him.
It the hope that kills you.
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Everton appointed Ancelotti. We can appoint Pochettino. The desperation of some our own fans to talk us down is ridiculous. Maybe we have the team we deserve.
...and look what happened there, he tipped off as soon as a more lucrative offer came along.
Everton were/are skint though. It's down to Sawiris and Edens to outline an ambitious vision and hand out a contract to match.
"Transfer budget is £50m, but you have to sell a player before you buy another one."
Yep, that should have Champions League standard managers beating a path to our door.
Yep, see what we did for the last manager? He only got £88m plus a few loans and a couple of Bosmans. And he was shit. Imagine what you'd get if you did as well as you can.
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As ever with this debate we wont know if it worth sticking or twisting until we know who the new guy is.
For instance if I were offered Lampard, Southgate, Dyche I'd stick.
In what universe would we be limited to those three?
Since O'Neill left we have appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, Smith and Gerrard. That universe.
We have a nasty habit of always recruiting from a poor position, things have to be pretty desperate before we look for a replacement. Replacing Gerrard looks to be following that trend. If we are to keep him for the next three games even if we win two of the three and are sitting comfortably midtable, I'd still look to bring in a new Head Coach.
Like so many before him, our league position doesn't truly reflect our potential. Again, not just on paper, we have a very decent squad, it's the Manager that is failing to get the best out of them.
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
The World Cup finishes in December. In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window. As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.
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We play our last game before the World Cup on 13th November. Seems very unlikely to me that we would twiddle our thumbs for a month then appoint a manager after the World Cup. We aren't appointing Southgate. Of the many things to worry about, that isn't one. Besides, I fully expect Southgate to manage England throughout their Euros campaign, at least. They aren't going to sack a manager who made a semi (two if you count the Nations League) and a final even if they do have one poor campaign. As for him resigning, I'd imagine that having come within a penalty shoot-out of winning a tournament, he would fancy his chances of doing so before deciding to step aside.
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
The World Cup finishes in December. In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window. As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.
Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.
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Yep. Put more coherently than I managed, thanks. 🙂
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Yes the narrative, he has got until the World Cup just does not make any sense.
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Yes the narrative, he has got until the World Cup just does not make any sense.
Depends who we approached in that period. Emery could seriously consider offer in that break compared to now where he has a game every 3 days.
Then manager gets another pre season with them rather than parachuted in with endless games and hardly a training session to work on improving us.
That's the crumb I'm hanging onto rather than the owners still believing Gerrard can turn us around.
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
The World Cup finishes in December. In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window. As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.
Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.
Again, in this entirely hypothetical and hopefully entirely unlikely scenerio, the point would be to replace him with Southgate who isn't available until then. The logistics work fine. Just hopefully we're not stupid enough to go for it.
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There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.
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I can't see any international manager leaving after the World Cup then walking straight into another job.
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And we won't have a vacancy immediately after the World Cup anyway, nor will anyone else. There's a great big pre-World Cup sacking window for managers to get the punt.
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.
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There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.
Sigh, my point was he may fancy it however he does in the world cup. He's been in the England job for 6 years with 3 major tournaments under his belt, it's possible he'd fancy a challenge. It was a stupid post because I can't imagine our owners are that daft and I've no idea why I wrote it.
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There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.
I'm going to put a bet on England not getting out of the group so I think it's plausible 😃. Southgate knows Villa fans don't like him anyway, his leeway would be miniscule.
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Southgate manages to churn out turgid rubbish football with the best of English players to choose from.
Imagine what he'd 'achieve' here.
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You've got me dreaming Paulie.
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
The World Cup finishes in December. In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window. As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.
Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.
Again, in this entirely hypothetical and hopefully entirely unlikely scenerio, the point would be to replace him with Southgate who isn't available until then. The logistics work fine. Just hopefully we're not stupid enough to go for it.
Ok so your point was that if he decides he's going to walk away regardless of how England do and if we find that out and decide he's the only option to be our next manager and we agreed to either wait on sacking Gerrard or operate without a manager during the break then, and only then, Southgate could be an option? I mean I see you've backtracked on it in a later post but does anything in that scenario seem remotely likely to you, if you're honest about it?
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As I said, very unlikely we are after a new manager in December. Gerrard'll be sacked by the World Cup, or given serious time to turn it around. There would be little point in allowing him to stay on, watch the World Cup, have another transfer window and then sack him, if the board still didn't think he was up to it.
The World Cup finishes in December. In this nightmare scenerio that must never come to pass Southgate would be joing just in time for the Jan transfer window. As he's basically got fuck all to do before the WC (how hard is it to pick 10 players around Mason Mount?), he's even got time to watch videos of our games and line up our swoop for Harry Maguire.
Yes but the point that CD is correctly making is that if we sack Gerrard before the world cup we'll have filled the vacancy by then and if we haven't then why would we sack him between the end of the world cup and the january window when no games will have been played and we'll have had a month of a 'bonus pre-season' for the coach to work with most of the squad. The timing just doesn't make sense, if Gerrard is still with us on the 15th November then he'll still be with us until at least March because it doesn't make sense to do anything else.
Again, in this entirely hypothetical and hopefully entirely unlikely scenerio, the point would be to replace him with Southgate who isn't available until then. The logistics work fine. Just hopefully we're not stupid enough to go for it.
Ok so your point was that if he decides he's going to walk away regardless of how England do and if we find that out and decide he's the only option to be our next manager and we agreed to either wait on sacking Gerrard or operate without a manager during the break then, and only then, Southgate could be an option? I mean I see you've backtracked on it in a later post but does anything in that scenario seem remotely likely to you, if you're honest about it?
Fucking hell Paul I never said it was likely. In a tongue in cheek post I said it was possible timing wise, mainly to wind people up. It is. I would have thought the tone of all the posts and the Harry Maguire reference would have made that pefectly clear.
Backtracked? Fucking hell.
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Who could possibly know when you're being 'tongue-in-cheek' given the amount of nonsense you post? I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if you thought Southgate was a good choice. More importantly what CD and myself were pointing out is that, whether you were serious or not, the timing doesn't make sense so even if we wanted him it wouldn't happen in the way you described.
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There is no guarantee Southgate will be available anytime soon. Sitting around with no manager waiting in the vain hope that they lose to a combination of Iran, America and Wales would be beyond madness.
Sigh, my point was he may fancy it however he does in the world cup. He's been in the England job for 6 years with 3 major tournaments under his belt, it's possible he'd fancy a challenge.
He can fancy it all he likes because we won't have a vacancy after the World Cup.
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I see Wolves preferred choice has turned them down
Thai has made me smile.
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I see Wolves preferred choice has turned them down
Thai has made me smile.
Cheeky massage?
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Let's not squabble, chaps.
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Who could possibly know when you're being 'tongue-in-cheek' given the amount of nonsense you post? I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if you thought Southgate was a good choice. More importantly what CD and myself were pointing out is that, whether you were serious or not, the timing doesn't make sense so even if we wanted him it wouldn't happen in the way you described.
OK Paul, thanks for you analysis.
Now, do you think we can attract Harry Maguire in Jan?
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Who could possibly know when you're being 'tongue-in-cheek' given the amount of nonsense you post? I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if you thought Southgate was a good choice. More importantly what CD and myself were pointing out is that, whether you were serious or not, the timing doesn't make sense so even if we wanted him it wouldn't happen in the way you described.
OK Paul, thanks for you analysis.
Now, do you think we can attract Harry Maguire in Jan?
You're welcome. Not sure what the Harry Maguire thing has to do with anything though.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
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I see Wolves preferred choice has turned them down
Thai has made me smile.
Cheeky massage?
It will be a happy ending if Wolves get relegated.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
He’d do a good job. Worked miracles at his last place.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
He’d do a good job. Worked miracles at his last place.
Can’t deal with crosses though.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
He’d do a good job. Worked miracles at his last place.
Can’t deal with crosses though.
"It's early days, we are disappointed with the result of course but you can't expect miracles"
"well, you say that......"
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I thought Edens had a reputation of being a no nonsense, touch decision making bugger - did he not sack the fans favourite coach at the Basketball team he owns only to appoint a coach that won him the league?
Surely he can see we are going no where?
The only thing i can think of is that they realise with such key new recruits missing it would obviously effect performances and results and they accept that
I would say that Digne, Kamara and Carlos were fundamental to our team this season and are huge losses.
However they must be anxious that they were convinced to sign up Phil only for him to be as flat as a witches tit in most games.
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I see Wolves preferred choice has turned them down
Thai has made me smile.
Cheeky massage?
Phuket!
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I thought Edens had a reputation of being a no nonsense, touch decision making bugger - did he not sack the fans favourite coach at the Basketball team he owns only to appoint a coach that won him the league?
Surely he can see we are going no where?
The only thing i can think of is that they realise with such key new recruits missing it would obviously effect performances and results and they accept that
I would say that Digne, Kamara and Carlos were fundamental to our team this season and are huge losses.
However they must be anxious that they were convinced to sign up Phil only for him to be as flat as a witches tit in most games.
My hope in all this is that this management team operates on pre-scheduled reviews where the manager has a set of targets to meet to that point and if they're not hitting them then cheerio.
Bruce and Smith both went after 11 games. Without the cancellation for the queen that would've meant after Chelsea but I don't know if they'd shift for the number of matches or if the date would've been fixed when the fixtures were known (or of course if this is anything but a fantasy on my part).
So, After Chelsea or after Fulham and there's a review. We obviously have no idea what the targets would be but my target would be 50points for the season. That would be at least 13 points after Chelsea and 15 points after Fulham. The former is now impossible but the latter could happen with 2 wins.
Sacked after Chelsea would give us 3 full days to get someone in for Fulham, after Fulham would be 2 days, both very tight which is why I'd personally have acted this week. The 'squeeze' on fixtures before the world cup means there's no other windows that are significantly better so it becoms a question of who the interim coaching and management would be and how many of his legion would leave with him.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
I think that's very likely correct. I fear we are now back into the Martin Swain quote from twenty years ago about how there's a tidy living to be made at the Villa provided we keep ticking over and things don't look too bad.
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.
Excellent. See you all in division 2 then.
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Can we go get Franck Haise?
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It can t end with relegation surely? After everything we went through to get out of that division last time around? If you could see something on the pitch I would give him time. But there's nothing. Flat, insipid performances every time, and it's been a year. We've went backwards since Dean and for that reason alone he has to go.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
I think that's very likely correct. I fear we are now back into the Martin Swain quote from twenty years ago about how there's a tidy living to be made at the Villa provided we keep ticking over and things don't look too bad.
Well that's pretty depressing. Are we back to hoping to be taken over by some different billionaires again...?
I don't want to write these owners off yet, obviously. They have an awful lot of credit in the bank still. Surely they'll see that it's not sustainable to tread water in this league - you are only ever one bad appointment away from disaster, which could knock hundreds of millions off the value of the club.
I had seen on Twitter that they are supposed to be at the match on Sunday. I'll believe it when I see it, obviously, but I think they need to be. Purslow claimed the other week that he speaks to them both every day (he may not have been telling the truth), so I'd like to think they were both still engaged. I'm clinging to the idea that it is all about timing - they are waiting to get rid of Gerrard until they have the next one lined up. Because it's all too depressing if what you suspect is true.
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Any thoughts on Postecoglou at Celtic? Just putting it out there…. I mean, we have a great record of plundering ex Old Firm managers
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Any thoughts on Postecoglou at Celtic? Just putting it out there…. I mean, we have a great record of plundering ex Old Firm managers
He wouldn't be top of my list but I'd have him over the incumbent in a heartbeat.
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Any thoughts on Postecoglou at Celtic? Just putting it out there…. I mean, we have a great record of plundering ex Old Firm managers
I watch Celtic fairly often and he does encourage fast paced, attacking football with width. The 3 nil lead they took against the Zombies was in no small measure down to that speed and aggression, no sooner had the ball gone out for a goal kick Hart had another ball in his hands courtesy of the ball boy and their opponents struggled to reset time and time again and the game was all but done by half time. It's the polar opposite of the way we play but transferring that to the PL is a risk and some may not take kindly to us recruiting from there once again and there will be even less patience this time around.
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If Paul Merson can pronounce his name, I'd take him.
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If Paul Merson can pronounce his name, I'd take him.
Can Merson even pronounce “Birmingham” yet?
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No to Postecoglou.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
I think that's very likely correct. I fear we are now back into the Martin Swain quote from twenty years ago about how there's a tidy living to be made at the Villa provided we keep ticking over and things don't look too bad.
Well that's pretty depressing. Are we back to hoping to be taken over by some different billionaires again...?
I don't want to write these owners off yet, obviously. They have an awful lot of credit in the bank still. Surely they'll see that it's not sustainable to tread water in this league - you are only ever one bad appointment away from disaster, which could knock hundreds of millions off the value of the club.
I had seen on Twitter that they are supposed to be at the match on Sunday. I'll believe it when I see it, obviously, but I think they need to be. Purslow claimed the other week that he speaks to them both every day (he may not have been telling the truth), so I'd like to think they were both still engaged. I'm clinging to the idea that it is all about timing - they are waiting to get rid of Gerrard until they have the next one lined up. Because it's all too depressing if what you suspect is true.
Them being at the match would make perfect sense if there's a pre-agreed review planned for afterwards (as I guessed above).
I'm not convinced they've lost interest though, I'm sure I remember reading a comment not long after they started stating that their plan was for long-term sustainable success. At the time I saw that as a plan to increase the commercial revenue, invest heavily in infrastructure and, in the long term, reduce the amount of cash they were putting in on transfers and wages. I've tried to find that statement on it but I just can't remember when it came or who it was from (NSWE or Purslow).
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
I agree that that’s how things appear but the plans to expand the ground surely require us to maintain a reasonable level of performance and potential for improvement if they want to sell those additional seats and corporate packages.
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Any thoughts on Postecoglou at Celtic? Just putting it out there…. I mean, we have a great record of plundering ex Old Firm managers
I watch Celtic fairly often and he does encourage fast paced, attacking football with width. The 3 nil lead they took against the Zombies was in no small measure down to that speed and aggression, no sooner had the ball gone out for a goal kick Hart had another ball in his hands courtesy of the ball boy and their opponents struggled to reset time and time again and the game was all but done by half time. It's the polar opposite of the way we play but transferring that to the PL is a risk and some may not take kindly to us recruiting from there once again and there will be even less patience this time around.
A massive risk, I agree. He does seem to be highly regarded up there for his style of play though so I’m sure Premier League clubs will be sniffing around soon enough.
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All this talk of the owners not as invested as at first doesn't ring true. They've only gambled the once with the appointment of Gerrard. Being the businessmen they are they will be well aware that there are no sure bets and that in football failure is more realistically attainable than success. Our measure of that success is finishing 7th this year, not winning something but 7th and it looks miles away under Gerrard. Time to gamble again.
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No to Postecoglou.
Yeah, not after Karen Brady has been there.
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Any thoughts on Postecoglou at Celtic? Just putting it out there…. I mean, we have a great record of plundering ex Old Firm managers
I watch Celtic fairly often and he does encourage fast paced, attacking football with width. The 3 nil lead they took against the Zombies was in no small measure down to that speed and aggression, no sooner had the ball gone out for a goal kick Hart had another ball in his hands courtesy of the ball boy and their opponents struggled to reset time and time again and the game was all but done by half time. It's the polar opposite of the way we play but transferring that to the PL is a risk and some may not take kindly to us recruiting from there once again and there will be even less patience this time around.
A massive risk, I agree. He does seem to be highly regarded up there for his style of play though so I’m sure Premier League clubs will be sniffing around soon enough.
Is very highly thought of over here, too.
Kevin Muscat was his replacement, and although they're (Yokohama Marino's) currently top of the J League with a couple of games to go, they're starting to crumble, having lost the last couple to teams in the bottom 3.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
I think that's very likely correct. I fear we are now back into the Martin Swain quote from twenty years ago about how there's a tidy living to be made at the Villa provided we keep ticking over and things don't look too bad.
ok so lets say there is an element of truth to that, although judging by the patience Edens put into the Milwaukee Bucks I still believe he is in it for the long run. Then why announce those plans for the stadium? That's money they don't have to spend. Why not just shelve those plans entirely and go with what we have? I don't disagree with the assumptions presented by Risso, but even Purslow will know that however much he might like the current manager, if it comes down to Gerrard or him for the chop he's going to make the required change. Dean Smith was a far more controversial dismissal even if the results ultimately did him in. Gerrard doesn't have the results, and has none of the popularity with the fans. I don't think the decision will be as hard to make when they need to make it.
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No to Postecoglou.
Yeah, not after Karen Brady has been there.
Don't be pesky!
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I think the most likely situation is Risso's second point.
Purslow is very invested in this appointment and will want to give it absolutely as long as he can before it costs a fortune to shed ourselves of this parade of clown-shoes.
I reckon we'll take a shafting at the weekend and it's a decision that makes itself.
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We all want Pochettino, but it will probably be Dwight Yorke or John Terry knowing our luck, although I'm pretty sure that as players they both won more trophies than Stevie G.
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Dwight Yorke has now matched Steven Gerrard's managerial trophy haul, in a fraction of the time.
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Sign him up!
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We all want Pochettino, but it will probably be Dwight Yorke or John Terry knowing our luck, although I'm pretty sure that as players they both won more trophies than Steven G.
I have a dream. With Gerrard's tenure hanging by a thread we somehow manage to scrape a win against Chelsea with an injury time winner. It's our sliding doors moment and Gerrard goes on to be our very own Fergie. We embark on a ten year blaze of glory and Gerrard gets a statue outside the new North Stand. You watch Chelsea go and ruin my dreams.
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This is pure guesswork but I think the reason he's still is here is to do with the following:
1) The owners aren't quite as invested, financially or emotionally as they were a year or two ago. They still want the business to do well, but aren't prepaped to go all in to get European football. On the flip side of the same coin, they're also not that bothered to sack Gerrard until things get really terrible, eg bottom three on the back of a few losses in the next few games. Boring football and just about doing enough lately is therefore not a sackable offence as it stands.
2) Gerrard has still got Purslow in his corner. I'm sure Purslow will be making the case to the owners that in his opinion we've been hugely unlucky with injuries and that's had a material detrimental effect on the team. That backing will only go so far, but if the owners go against him now they've potentially got the arse ache of replacing a new CEO as well.
All just supposition of course, but to me it makes sense.
both, maybe.
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Letting this season be a write off - and keeping Gerrard in place is a sign that's what they're doing - is not a good look for a club who were talking about the big time a few months ago. We are a million miles off top 6 let alone top 4. We've signed players who aren't performing (e.g. Bailey) and have been really unlucky with injuries. But the vibes are all wrong at the moment. Momentum gone.
A club with genuine ambition would've sacked Gerrard by now.
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In fact, at this point, I'd probably take a boring mid-table write off of a season. That's not good enough.
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maybe all that ambition for on the pitch success is dwindling out from the owners? maybe they know if we can just stay up then the cash keeps coming in?
I'm not sure that is the case, just putting it out there.
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Another possibility is that they've had a timetable in place for when they would stop bankrolling the club and that time has now passed. Maybe in their opinion we should be established in the top half of the league by now.
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or maybe they've got a timetable in place, that is slower development than us fighting for europe yet, believing it will be more sustainable, and they're ok with Gerrard's current performance?
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest
Well, we're done and dusted in this scenario. Rotherham here we come.
I'm not convinced they've lost interest though, I'm sure I remember reading a comment not long after they started stating that their plan was for long-term sustainable success. At the time I saw that as a plan to increase the commercial revenue, invest heavily in infrastructure and, in the long term, reduce the amount of cash they were putting in on transfers and wages. I've tried to find that statement on it but I just can't remember when it came or who it was from (NSWE or Purslow)
I think Paul is closer to the reality, here. I think Edens will be all over the ponderous football and crap results...
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They are at the game this weekend apparently. Go 2-3 nil down, it will be open season on the manager.
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.
I share this opinion. Whilst I am far, far from being a fan of the tedious pedestrian game we're being served on a regular basis (and deep down miss Dean Smith's Aston Villa), I do think the injuries to Carlos and Kamara have been a massive blow that would've knocked sideways anybody managing our squad. However, most observers would probably agree that a major attraction for getting him in in the first place was a sense that as a 'name' he'd be a fairly big pull in the transfer market and he should have done more business that could have softened the impact, but for whatever reasons that doesn't seem to have been the case.
Make no mistake, I'd gladly pay for his taxi, but I don't think one's going to be called any time soon.
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.
I share this opinion. Whilst I am far, far from being a fan of the tedious pedestrian game we're being served on a regular basis (and deep down miss Dean Smith's Aston Villa), I do think the injuries to Carlos and Kamara have been a massive blow that would've knocked sideways anybody managing our squad. However, most observers would probably agree that a major attraction for getting him in in the first place was a sense that as a 'name' he'd be a fairly big pull in the transfer market and he should have done more business that could have softened the impact, but for whatever reasons that doesn't seem to have been the case.
Make no mistake, I'd gladly pay for his taxi, but I don't think one's going to be called any time soon.
Whilst the injuries we've had to our new signings are unlucky, I don't think they're relevant to our problems. The injuries we've had are defensive (where we have decent back up) and our problems are in attack. Our XG quite frankly, is pathetic, especially considering the teams we've faced so far this season. Goals conceded from shots faced is also poor, both of which make for a toxic combination. We've wasted games against sides we should have picked up more points from and as this is highly likely to continue with Gerrard in charge, it makes the reality that we are indeed, in a relegation battle this season. If the owners don't realise this and act, they're asleep at the wheel.
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I don't think Gerrard is going to get the sack at any point before the World Cup, and probably not for the rest of the season to be honest.
I share this opinion. Whilst I am far, far from being a fan of the tedious pedestrian game we're being served on a regular basis (and deep down miss Dean Smith's Aston Villa), I do think the injuries to Carlos and Kamara have been a massive blow that would've knocked sideways anybody managing our squad. However, most observers would probably agree that a major attraction for getting him in in the first place was a sense that as a 'name' he'd be a fairly big pull in the transfer market and he should have done more business that could have softened the impact, but for whatever reasons that doesn't seem to have been the case.
Make no mistake, I'd gladly pay for his taxi, but I don't think one's going to be called any time soon.
all of what you say is for the birds. Gerrard is clearly not up to the job and needs to be removed pronto. His 'system' is flawed and the players are clearly not bought-in to it. We're sinking fast, and the owners need to act fast.
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When you get the likes of Dan Bardell, the most positive and measured fan / podcaster out there, showing his frustration and saying he just can't see a way forward with Gerrard then you know it's getting bad.
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maybe all that ambition for on the pitch success is dwindling out from the owners? maybe they know if we can just stay up then the cash keeps coming in?
I'm not sure that is the case, just putting it out there.
The cash doesn't just keep coming in, though, they've spent an immense amount of money and are still doing so.
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No to Postecoglou.
He's a very good coach but Villa Park is too early for him at this point of his career. The handful of teams I've seen his team play, including last night, they do look very well drilled. You can see evidence of proper coaching and tactical instruction. But he's one for Southampton or someone else right now.
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Re Diego Carlos...we're barely missing him. Mings has come in and been generally excellent and our defensive record is fine. Kamara is classy but not at the stage where he would dictate games for us. Digne has been mostly shite for us too so I don't think any of the injuries are really halting any progress.
How we're coached and set-up in games are the biggest obstacles.
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Letting this season be a write off - and keeping Gerrard in place is a sign that's what they're doing - is not a good look for a club who were talking about the big time a few months ago. We are a million miles off top 6 let alone top 4. We've signed players who aren't performing (e.g. Bailey) and have been really unlucky with injuries. But the vibes are all wrong at the moment. Momentum gone.
A club with genuine ambition would've sacked Gerrard by now.
This. They should have binned him months ago. It’s been obvious for a long time he is a dreadful manager. You have to ask why haven’t they binned him yet…?
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No to Postecoglou.
He's a very good coach but Villa Park is too early for him at this point of his career. The handful of teams I've seen his team play, including last night, they do look very well drilled. You can see evidence of proper coaching and tactical instruction. But he's one for Southampton or someone else right now.
I'd take him. Great coach, and will only go on to bigger and better things when he leaves Celtic.
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No to Postecoglou.
He's a very good coach but Villa Park is too early for him at this point of his career. The handful of teams I've seen his team play, including last night, they do look very well drilled. You can see evidence of proper coaching and tactical instruction. But he's one for Southampton or someone else right now.
I think he is a good coach. He turned Celtic around more or less immediately. Has knowledge of other leagues and has brought in some good players. He has struggled in CL. Maybe the players arent good enough for that level of football. Reminds me of Wenger coming in from Japan. He came out of the blue and was a success. Postecoglou will end up in the Prem. I think we need to go for someone with a more proven track record this time
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Re Diego Carlos...we're barely missing him. Mings has come in and been generally excellent and our defensive record is fine. Kamara is classy but not at the stage where he would dictate games for us. Digne has been mostly shite for us too so I don't think any of the injuries are really halting any progress.
How we're coached and set-up in games are the biggest obstacles.
We cannot possibly be missing Carlos.
He played a couple of games and we were all over the place defensively in both, we have no idea whether he’s any good or not.
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No to Postecoglou.
He's a very good coach but Villa Park is too early for him at this point of his career. The handful of teams I've seen his team play, including last night, they do look very well drilled. You can see evidence of proper coaching and tactical instruction. But he's one for Southampton or someone else right now.
I think he is a good coach. He turned Celtic around more or less immediately. Has knowledge of other leagues and has brought in some good players. He has struggled in CL. Maybe the players arent good enough for that level of football. Reminds me of Wenger coming in from Japan. He came out of the blue and was a success. Postecoglou will end up in the Prem. I think we need to go for someone with a more proven track record this time
Wenger had already done a very good job with Monaco before he went to Japan. He’d just been forgotten about. Hence his knowledge of talented French footballers. It’s a different game now and I think success in Scotland is not a good barometer any more.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
He was our best player until he got injured, he was breaking attacks and setting up counter attacks. So yes we miss him particularly the way Luiz went walk about against Forest.
I am not justifying the shit performances by this Gerrard team but We definitely look better with him.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
Having him out affects the offensive side though. With him in the team, the rest of the midfield can be more attacking.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
He was our best player until he got injured, he was breaking attacks and setting up counter attacks. So yes we miss him particularly the way Luiz went walk about against Forest.
I am not justifying the shit performances by this Gerrard team but We definitely look better with him.
I don't think anybody has said that he wouldn't be a miss and we'll see how significant his absence is against much better sides. But against sides like Forrest and Leeds, even on their own patch, that area of the pitch isn't where the main problems lay. It's not like either had dominance in front of our defence in either game. Gerrard has managed to shore up the team defensively, but it's at the expense of everything else. Against a Man City or Liverpool, that's more acceptable, then against the sides like Soton, Leeds and Forrest.
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No to Postecoglou.
Damn right.
I'm a big fan of Ange. But he is now tainted from a Villa perspective by the curse of the "old firm". Gerrard, Lambert, McLeish, O'Neill, McNeill. We really must stop fishing in that puddle.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
Having him out affects the offensive side though. With him in the team, the rest of the midfield can be more attacking.
I take your point and that aspect of quicker transitional play through interceptions is the benefit of a specialist like Kamara. But the real problems we're having right now is what happens when the ball gets to a Coutinho, Watkins, Buendia, Bailey, etc.
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We were hardly more attacking with him than we are now, or did I miss our sparkling forward play earlier in the season? Kamara is a good player for sure, but in neither game has he been missed as Forest and Leeds both sat in behind the ball, so prime Makalele could have been there and it made not a jot of difference really, and Luiz actually tried to get us moving forward a number of times in the second half at Forest. Our best displays have come with Luiz at 8 and Ramsey wide left though, which is food for thought for Gerrard.
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Here are our XG stats from our games in the league this season.
Bournemouth 2 (0.49) Villa 0 (0.59)
Villa 2 (2.57) Everton 1 (1.38)
Palace 3 (2.91) Villa 1 (0.80)
Villa 0 (0.30) West Ham 1 (0.33)
Arsenal 2 (2.80) Villa 1 (0.30)
Villa 1 (0.28) Man City 1 (1.92)
Villa 1 (1.34) Soton 0 (0.22)
Leeds 0 (0.30) Villa 0 (1.90)
Notts Forrest 1 (0.22) Villa 1 (0.66)
That’s less than a goal a game we’re averaging on expected goals.
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We lost 2-0 to Bournemouth in actual goals.
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We lost 2-0 to Bournemouth in actual goals.
Apologies; we did. Blotted that out. Makes it an even worse look.
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Your posts inspired me to check and it turns out Ashley Young is now our joint top goalscorer. 😂
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Your posts inspired me to check and it turns out Ashley Young is now our joint top goalscorer. 😂
And probably up there as a best player this season at 37. Jesus.
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Player of the Season so far for me.
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Player of the Season so far for me.
Me too. His goal on Monday was a great moment as well. I was against re-signing him in 2021 but he’s shown what he can contribute and certainly proven me wrong. We’re better as a whole when he’s on.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Since his injury we've not really been tested at all to see how much we miss him. We've not struggled to get a foothold yet in a game as we've seen against Forrest and Leeds. The problems are mainly with the offensive side of the game and the current Bruceball tactics of just hoping 'for a bit of magic' to win a game.
He was our best player until he got injured, he was breaking attacks and setting up counter attacks. So yes we miss him particularly the way Luiz went walk about against Forest.
I am not justifying the shit performances by this Gerrard team but We definitely look better with him.
It's a myth that Kamara was our best player pre injury, granted it might be hard to pick a best player...but he was dreadful v Bournemouth, Palace, Bolton, Arsenal. I'm struggling to recall West Ham bar Rice dominating the second half. City after a poor first half he was ok. Everton his best game?
I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
I don’t think that’s any sort of context or explanation though, Risso. It would be entirely unreasonable and unrealistic for any manager to walk in to a job and have 22 brand new players that he personally selected ready. Good managers improve players. Those XG figures speak for themselves; a side not difficult to score against and one that doesn’t really score.
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We're definitely missing Kamara. He was doing what none of our other midfielders can do. Part of the problem now is that the midfield 3 are all having to do a bit of the defensive donkey work which isn't really their game.
Surely if we have 3 donkeys in midfield wouldn’t that be better than I guy doing the donkey work? Just sayin’ like.
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Player of the Season so far for me.
Me too. His goal on Monday was a great moment as well. I was against re-signing him in 2021 but he’s shown what he can contribute and certainly proven me wrong. We’re better as a whole when he’s on.
And me. Full credit to Ash.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
I don’t think that’s any sort of context or explanation though, Risso. It would be entirely unreasonable and unrealistic for any manager to walk in to a job and have 22 brand new players that he personally selected ready. Good managers improve players. Those XG figures speak for themselves; a side not difficult to score against and one that doesn’t really score.
The context is though that this is exactly the same team at the moment that finished 11th at best under Smith, with the exception that Grealish has been replaced by Coutinho. Who after a bright start, very clearly isn't anywhere near as effective. So while we should be doing better, I still think midtable is the best any manager is going to get out of this lot. We needed a new striker, and probably a new number 8 at the very least, and didn't get them.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
I don’t think that’s any sort of context or explanation though, Risso. It would be entirely unreasonable and unrealistic for any manager to walk in to a job and have 22 brand new players that he personally selected ready. Good managers improve players. Those XG figures speak for themselves; a side not difficult to score against and one that doesn’t really score.
The context is though that this is exactly the same team at the moment that finished 11th at best under Smith, with the exception that Grealish has been replaced by Coutinho. Who after a bright start, very clearly isn't anywhere near as effective. So while we should be doing better, I still think midtable is the best any manager is going to get out of this lot. We needed a new striker, and probably a new number 8 at the very least, and didn't get them.
Could it be (and I don't think we'll ever have a definitive answer for this so it's probably a pointless question) that Dean had one special talent and knew how to get the best out of him? Gerrard has a special talent and is making him worse every week. It was ultimately Dean's undoing, because when Grealish got injured/left we didn't know what else to do, but there was a plan there - it was just completely dependent on one player which wasn't sustainable.
I think the biggest problem a lot of people have with Gerrard is that he doesn't seem to have a plan - or at least not an effective one. It was the same when we didn't have any injuries. I don't think anybody could say that our poor start to the season has been as a result of Carlos getting injured in our second game, or Digne and Kamara getting injured in our sixth(?). In fact, Mings and Young (who have come in for two of those) have been our best two players this season. Kamara is a different one - I love him as a player and think he'll be very good for us. We do miss him (I miss watching him play) but again, it's not like our other midfielders had been bombing on and getting in the box every game before he was injured and now they have to sit back. We've probably controlled games more since he got injured - more down to the opposition than us, obviously.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
I don’t think that’s any sort of context or explanation though, Risso. It would be entirely unreasonable and unrealistic for any manager to walk in to a job and have 22 brand new players that he personally selected ready. Good managers improve players. Those XG figures speak for themselves; a side not difficult to score against and one that doesn’t really score.
The context is though that this is exactly the same team at the moment that finished 11th at best under Smith, with the exception that Grealish has been replaced by Coutinho. Who after a bright start, very clearly isn't anywhere near as effective. So while we should be doing better, I still think midtable is the best any manager is going to get out of this lot. We needed a new striker, and probably a new number 8 at the very least, and didn't get them.
11th on a very decent 55 points, which on the basis of the last 10 years average would have had us more 8th/9th. So my argument has always been that either Smith over achieved with largely the same crop of players or the current manager is not getting the most out of them. I think we’ll only know the reality of how good the players are under the next manager but one thing for sure is that Smith improved a vast majority of the players we had and Gerrard is not getting the same from them. I’d take 50 points even accounting for the injuries Gerrard has had (which is only 5 more points then last season). But he’s not going to reach either tally with the current performances and tactical set up. In fact, i’d say we’re actually heading into a relegation battle at present. We’ve thrown away opportunities against weaker teams and it’s going to come back to bite us this season.
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11th on a very decent 55 points, which on the basis of the last 10 years average would have had us more 8th/9th. So my argument has always been that either Smith over achieved with largely the same crop of players or the current manager is not getting the most out of them. I think we’ll only know the reality of how good the players are under the next manager but one thing for sure is that Smith improved a vast majority of the players we had and Gerrard is not getting the same from them. I’d take 50 points even accounting for the injuries Gerrard has had (which is only 5 more points then last season). But he’s not going to reach either tally with the current performances and tactical set up. In fact, i’d say we’re actually heading into a relegation battle at present. We’ve thrown away opportunities against weaker teams and it’s going to come back to bite us this season.
Smith overachieved or Grealish overachieved?
Smith did a great job with the resources he had, we owe him a huge debt. But the truth is he never got Villa playing well when Jack wasn't in the team.
I'm not defending Gerrard, I think he's shite. But when comparing him with Smith and praising Smith for doing better with the same players, it needs to be considered in that context.
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he was definitely struggling in admittedly a shit show of a setup. Injuries are a bit of a smokescreen for the current problems as Young, Mings and Luiz are arguably performing better than Gerrard's signings.
The only Gerrard signing starting games at the moment is Coutinho.
I don’t think that’s any sort of context or explanation though, Risso. It would be entirely unreasonable and unrealistic for any manager to walk in to a job and have 22 brand new players that he personally selected ready. Good managers improve players. Those XG figures speak for themselves; a side not difficult to score against and one that doesn’t really score.
The context is though that this is exactly the same team at the moment that finished 11th at best under Smith, with the exception that Grealish has been replaced by Coutinho. Who after a bright start, very clearly isn't anywhere near as effective. So while we should be doing better, I still think midtable is the best any manager is going to get out of this lot. We needed a new striker, and probably a new number 8 at the very least, and didn't get them.
Could it be (and I don't think we'll ever have a definitive answer for this so it's probably a pointless question) that Dean had one special talent and knew how to get the best out of him? Gerrard has a special talent and is making him worse every week. It was ultimately Dean's undoing, because when Grealish got injured/left we didn't know what else to do, but there was a plan there - it was just completely dependent on one player which wasn't sustainable.
I think the biggest problem a lot of people have with Gerrard is that he doesn't seem to have a plan - or at least not an effective one. It was the same when we didn't have any injuries. I don't think anybody could say that our poor start to the season has been as a result of Carlos getting injured in our second game, or Digne and Kamara getting injured in our sixth(?). In fact, Mings and Young (who have come in for two of those) have been our best two players this season. Kamara is a different one - I love him as a player and think he'll be very good for us. We do miss him (I miss watching him play) but again, it's not like our other midfielders had been bombing on and getting in the box every game before he was injured and now they have to sit back. We've probably controlled games more since he got injured - more down to the opposition than us, obviously.
I agree. Smith turned Grealish into a £100m player. No other manager has got the same level of performance from him. But it took building a team largely around maxisming his talent to realise that potential and it came at a cost when he was absent injured, which was often. But Grealish didn’t act in isolation as no player can in the game today.
Gerrard had a plan and it got found out very quickly competing in a league with better players and better managers. He had a variation of 2 up top which worked for a couple of games before being found out...and that’s it. He’s had 2 transfer windows and full pre-season to improve on that. We haven’t seen improvement. In fact, we’ve got worse and it’s just a matter as to when the axe falls. I don’t think we’re asking the Earth here. But we’ve got to doing better than this.
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11th on a very decent 55 points, which on the basis of the last 10 years average would have had us more 8th/9th. So my argument has always been that either Smith over achieved with largely the same crop of players or the current manager is not getting the most out of them. I think we’ll only know the reality of how good the players are under the next manager but one thing for sure is that Smith improved a vast majority of the players we had and Gerrard is not getting the same from them. I’d take 50 points even accounting for the injuries Gerrard has had (which is only 5 more points then last season). But he’s not going to reach either tally with the current performances and tactical set up. In fact, i’d say we’re actually heading into a relegation battle at present. We’ve thrown away opportunities against weaker teams and it’s going to come back to bite us this season.
Smith overachieved or Grealish overachieved?
Smith did a great job with the resources he had, we owe him a huge debt. But the truth is he never got Villa playing well when Jack wasn't in the team.
I'm not defending Gerrard, I think he's shite. But when comparing him with Smith and praising Smith for doing better with the same players, it needs to be considered in that context.
Or he got the most out of Grealish, a player who has never performed at the same level for any other manager. His mistake was relying on an injury prone player. Gerrard has better and more options than Smith had so should be able to deliver more. In the game today more so than ever before, one player alone cannot solely make the difference without supporting team mates. Coutinho reached a higher level than Grealish in his career to date, but just sticking him on the pitch isn’t leading to much.
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I think Grealish is a once in a generation talent who needed very little coaching. Smith was just lucky to get him when he was able to start adding better players around him. Before that Grealish was playing with the likes of Bjarnason and Grabban. Grealish played less than 10 games after Smith took over before being injured for 3 months. When he came back in March, Smith had one win in 10, and we were sinking down the table. Grealish came back, tore Derby a new one, and the rest is history.
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Five of our top eight earners (Coutinho, Bailey, Watkins, Ings, Buendia) are our 'expected' goal scorers or assist makers. We are getting no value for money. Steven G has knocked the confidence out of them, given them no licence to take a risk and our creativity has disappeared. If anything, he has made their defensive duties and possession a priority!!
Apart from the 'big six', we have probably the most expensive forward line in the Premier League but also the least effective. I saw their wages today online (nearly half a million a week in total) and it is being wasted.
Most goals are created through one act of brilliance, be it in the build up or finish. Since Jack left, this one act of brilliance has left.
Yet, we have the players who are capable of a quick turn, defence splitting pass, back heel, dribble etc. Steven G needs to give them the licence to be creative and not be under the threat of being substituted if they lose possession to often. Jack was given that licence, lost possession at times, but we knew he would ultimately deliver. Let our attackers play with more freedom and be less robotic.
If Steven G can't turn things around, I propose we check out the three manager assistants that Man City have. One of them might fancy the challenge. Bit of an Arteta job. Who knows, we might even get a couple of Man City cast offs (see Jesus and Zinchenko) through the connection!! Just a thought.
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
Wolves and either us or Leicester I'd guess.
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11th on a very decent 55 points, which on the basis of the last 10 years average would have had us more 8th/9th. So my argument has always been that either Smith over achieved with largely the same crop of players or the current manager is not getting the most out of them. I think we’ll only know the reality of how good the players are under the next manager but one thing for sure is that Smith improved a vast majority of the players we had and Gerrard is not getting the same from them. I’d take 50 points even accounting for the injuries Gerrard has had (which is only 5 more points then last season). But he’s not going to reach either tally with the current performances and tactical set up. In fact, i’d say we’re actually heading into a relegation battle at present. We’ve thrown away opportunities against weaker teams and it’s going to come back to bite us this season.
Smith overachieved or Grealish overachieved?
Smith did a great job with the resources he had, we owe him a huge debt. But the truth is he never got Villa playing well when Jack wasn't in the team.
I'm not defending Gerrard, I think he's shite. But when comparing him with Smith and praising Smith for doing better with the same players, it needs to be considered in that context.
Or he got the most out of Grealish, a player who has never performed at the same level for any other manager. His mistake was relying on an injury prone player. Gerrard has better and more options than Smith had so should be able to deliver more. In the game today more so than ever before, one player alone cannot solely make the difference without supporting team mates. Coutinho reached a higher level than Grealish in his career to date, but just sticking him on the pitch isn’t leading to much.
Gerrard never had Grealish, so the comparision just doesn't work. I entirely disagree with you that one player alone cannot solely make the difference. Grealish proved it with us over 4 seasons. That's not to say every player around him was rubbish, but simply that the team virtually always failed to function when he was not available. Smiths success was built almost solely around Jack, his record without him was shocking.
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Gerrard never had Grealish, so the comparision just doesn't work. I entirely disagree with you that one player alone cannot solely make the difference. Grealish proved it with us over 4 seasons. That's not to say every player around him was rubbish, but simply that the team virtually always failed to function when he was not available. Smiths success was built almost solely around Jack, his record without him was shocking.
Yes, as I say look at our prmotion season. Grealish was injured, and the moment he comes back he turned one win in 12 into 11 wins on the spin. He was absolutely magnificent in that spell, and you can't really argue that it was Smith changing him, as he'd been injured for most of the time since Smith took over.
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
Wolves and either us or Leicester I'd guess.
He wouldn't come here, not after the ice cream-gate scandal.
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Is Roberto Martínez one of those "destined to manage the Villa one day" chaps? He still hasn't managed to win anything with Belgium's golden-gen, I'm surprised he's held on there.
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11th on a very decent 55 points, which on the basis of the last 10 years average would have had us more 8th/9th. So my argument has always been that either Smith over achieved with largely the same crop of players or the current manager is not getting the most out of them. I think we’ll only know the reality of how good the players are under the next manager but one thing for sure is that Smith improved a vast majority of the players we had and Gerrard is not getting the same from them. I’d take 50 points even accounting for the injuries Gerrard has had (which is only 5 more points then last season). But he’s not going to reach either tally with the current performances and tactical set up. In fact, i’d say we’re actually heading into a relegation battle at present. We’ve thrown away opportunities against weaker teams and it’s going to come back to bite us this season.
Smith overachieved or Grealish overachieved?
Smith did a great job with the resources he had, we owe him a huge debt. But the truth is he never got Villa playing well when Jack wasn't in the team.
I'm not defending Gerrard, I think he's shite. But when comparing him with Smith and praising Smith for doing better with the same players, it needs to be considered in that context.
Or he got the most out of Grealish, a player who has never performed at the same level for any other manager. His mistake was relying on an injury prone player. Gerrard has better and more options than Smith had so should be able to deliver more. In the game today more so than ever before, one player alone cannot solely make the difference without supporting team mates. Coutinho reached a higher level than Grealish in his career to date, but just sticking him on the pitch isn’t leading to much.
Gerrard never had Grealish, so the comparision just doesn't work. I entirely disagree with you that one player alone cannot solely make the difference. Grealish proved it with us over 4 seasons. That's not to say every player around him was rubbish, but simply that the team virtually always failed to function when he was not available. Smiths success was built almost solely around Jack, his record without him was shocking.
One player can make a difference, but it’s the environment that player is operating in that can dictate that. The players and set up around them,tactics, patterns of play, etc. To those that think that Smith just put Grealish on the pitch and that’s it, is just absolutely ludicrous. Don’t forget it was Smith that moved Grealish from playing centre mid to wide left when we were back in the premier league when it wasn’t working. No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did. That is clear. The comparison with Coutinho is valid in that here we have a talented player and a manager who has demonstrated little to no idea how to get the most out of that talent. He seemingly just puts him on the pitch and excepts ‘a moment of magic’ with no thought as to how to create the opportunity for the player to deliver that based upon his attributes and what the team is doing around him. That’s the difference.
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
Wolves and either us or Leicester I'd guess.
He wouldn't come here, not after the ice cream-gate scandal.
I had totally forgotten about that! The club should put ice cream in their dressing room.
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No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did.
Who are you comparing him with? He did well for Bruce, but didn't have the quality of players around him that Smith subsequently had. Southgate is a moron who can't get the best out of anybody, and Man City didn't need him but wanted him for his marketing opportunities and to stop him going elsewhere.
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Is Roberto Martínez one of those "destined to manage the Villa one day" chaps? He still hasn't managed to win anything with Belgium's golden-gen, I'm surprised he's held on there.
He's the Carlton Palmer of the managerial world.
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Gerrard never had Grealish, so the comparision just doesn't work. I entirely disagree with you that one player alone cannot solely make the difference. Grealish proved it with us over 4 seasons. That's not to say every player around him was rubbish, but simply that the team virtually always failed to function when he was not available. Smiths success was built almost solely around Jack, his record without him was shocking.
Yes, as I say look at our prmotion season. Grealish was injured, and the moment he comes back he turned one win in 12 into 11 wins on the spin. He was absolutely magnificent in that spell, and you can't really argue that it was Smith changing him, as he'd been injured for most of the time since Smith took over.
Not changing but making him captain and challenging him more on end product was definitely part of it, Grealish and Smith have both said as much in interviews. I'd say that, a little later than you're talking about, he also had him work a bit more on his athleticism because 20/21 season he had pretty clearly added half a yard of extra pace which made him a lot more dangerous.
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No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did.
Who are you comparing him with? He did well for Bruce, but didn't have the quality of players around him that Smith subsequently had. Southgate is a moron who can't get the best out of anybody, and Man City didn't need him but wanted him for his marketing opportunities and to stop him going elsewhere.
He’s comparing him with every other manager Grealish has played. Tactics Tim, he was only a kid, great cup semi final, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, you can argue he was playing with inferior players but he was also playing against inferior players and looked bang average. Pep, you can say Pep didnt buy him for the right reasons, he plays a different system etc, but you cant have it both ways, he’s now playing with superior players, but the fact is, he was much better for Villa only under Smith.
Yes our form in the 10 game run coincided with his return but i think that was just as much Smith knowing how he ticked. Making him captain on his return was a managerial masterstroke.
Smith was lost without him and i agree his record without Jack was poor, but its two sides of the same coin for player and manager. The real tragedy is for Villa, as it felt for a few months the world was our oyster with both Grealish and Smith steering the ship
What we have now, is a manager who has talented players, no tactical nous and on the face of it the double whammy of no man management skills.
When we lost at Southampton to seal DeanO’s fate, some of the players looked visibly upset. I get the feeling looking at the body language on the pitch, there will be relief when this fella bites the dust. All assumption on my part.
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Gerrard never had Grealish, so the comparision just doesn't work. I entirely disagree with you that one player alone cannot solely make the difference. Grealish proved it with us over 4 seasons. That's not to say every player around him was rubbish, but simply that the team virtually always failed to function when he was not available. Smiths success was built almost solely around Jack, his record without him was shocking.
Yes, as I say look at our prmotion season. Grealish was injured, and the moment he comes back he turned one win in 12 into 11 wins on the spin. He was absolutely magnificent in that spell, and you can't really argue that it was Smith changing him, as he'd been injured for most of the time since Smith took over.
Not changing but making him captain and challenging him more on end product was definitely part of it, Grealish and Smith have both said as much in interviews. I'd say that, a little later than you're talking about, he also had him work a bit more on his athleticism because 20/21 season he had pretty clearly added half a yard of extra pace which made him a lot more dangerous.
And playing him out on the left where he is hugely effective rather then as an 8 like Grealish thought was his best position
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
Wolves and either us or Leicester I'd guess.
He wouldn't come here, not after the ice cream-gate scandal.
There’s also decent ITK revealing he’s totally opposed to the new Lantern crest shape
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Biggest reason we went on that winning run in the Championship is we finally had a defence rather than relying on Chester on one leg with Bree or Elphick as his partner. Grealish missed 13 games, there were 5 games in that run where we scored 2 or 3 goals and didn't win. Once we had actual fit CBs, Mings/Hause/Tuanzabe, the only game we concede 2 was the B team against Norwich. Grealish helped of course, but the defence was the biggest factor imo.
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No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did.
Who are you comparing him with? He did well for Bruce, but didn't have the quality of players around him that Smith subsequently had. Southgate is a moron who can't get the best out of anybody, and Man City didn't need him but wanted him for his marketing opportunities and to stop him going elsewhere.
Any manager you want. The ever presents under Smith who helped get us promoted were not that different to those that Bruce had. But even putting that aside, it can't work both ways; he's had way better players to play with England and Man Citeh then Villa.
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No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did.
Who are you comparing him with? He did well for Bruce, but didn't have the quality of players around him that Smith subsequently had. Southgate is a moron who can't get the best out of anybody, and Man City didn't need him but wanted him for his marketing opportunities and to stop him going elsewhere.
He’s comparing him with every other manager Grealish has played. Tactics Tim, he was only a kid, great cup semi final, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, you can argue he was playing with inferior players but he was also playing against inferior players and looked bang average. Pep, you can say Pep didnt buy him for the right reasons, he plays a different system etc, but you cant have it both ways, he’s now playing with superior players, but the fact is, he was much better for Villa only under Smith.
Yes our form in the 10 game run coincided with his return but i think that was just as much Smith knowing how he ticked. Making him captain on his return was a managerial masterstroke.
Smith was lost without him and i agree his record without Jack was poor, but its two sides of the same coin for player and manager. The real tragedy is for Villa, as it felt for a few months the world was our oyster with both Grealish and Smith steering the ship
What we have now, is a manager who has talented players, no tactical nous and on the face of it the double whammy of no man management skills.
When we lost at Southampton to seal DeanO’s fate, some of the players looked visibly upset. I get the feeling looking at the body language on the pitch, there will be relief when this fella bites the dust. All assumption on my part.
Think that sums it up nicely and the bit highlighted in bold is the point in a nutshell.
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Biggest reason we went on that winning run in the Championship is we finally had a defence rather than relying on Chester on one leg with Bree or Elphick as his partner. Grealish missed 13 games, there were 5 games in that run where we scored 2 or 3 goals and didn't win. Once we had actual fit CBs, Mings/Hause/Tuanzabe, the only game we concede 2 was the B team against Norwich. Grealish helped of course, but the defence was the biggest factor imo.
Impressive memory!
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According to the Telegraph, Tuchel has turned down approaches from two Premier League clubs. I'd be interested to find out who they were.
Wolves and either us or Leicester I'd guess.
Wolves and Bournemouth :D
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No other manager has got out of Grealish what Smith did.
Who are you comparing him with? He did well for Bruce, but didn't have the quality of players around him that Smith subsequently had. Southgate is a moron who can't get the best out of anybody, and Man City didn't need him but wanted him for his marketing opportunities and to stop him going elsewhere.
He’s comparing him with every other manager Grealish has played. Tactics Tim, he was only a kid, great cup semi final, Garde, Di Matteo, Bruce, you can argue he was playing with inferior players but he was also playing against inferior players and looked bang average. Pep, you can say Pep didnt buy him for the right reasons, he plays a different system etc, but you cant have it both ways, he’s now playing with superior players, but the fact is, he was much better for Villa only under Smith.
Yes our form in the 10 game run coincided with his return but i think that was just as much Smith knowing how he ticked. Making him captain on his return was a managerial masterstroke.
Smith was lost without him and i agree his record without Jack was poor, but its two sides of the same coin for player and manager. The real tragedy is for Villa, as it felt for a few months the world was our oyster with both Grealish and Smith steering the ship
What we have now, is a manager who has talented players, no tactical nous and on the face of it the double whammy of no man management skills.
When we lost at Southampton to seal DeanO’s fate, some of the players looked visibly upset. I get the feeling looking at the body language on the pitch, there will be relief when this fella bites the dust. All assumption on my part.
Last paragraph sums up the tragedy of the last 12 months - Smiths departure was felt with a lot of remorse and sadness for a really classy guy who’d brought so much belief and connectedness back to the club. Gerrards departure on the other hand will be met with genuine relief that he’s gone. It’s been an unmitigated disaster
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
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If we drop into bottom 3 I think he has been a disaster
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
I think Gerrard has been a disaster Dave. We look worse under him, his ego is abhorrent and we are sleep walking into a relegation scrap. Not saying Smithy would have done any better but I was genuinely upset when we got rid of Deano despite knowing he took us as far as he could. Under Scouse Brow I feel like I did under line managers who couldn’t ever admit they were wrong whilst they damned their teams to hell. It has been a disaster I fear will lead to our owners accepting survival as ok. New crests stadiums etc all pointless unless we address what goes on on the pitch. Even under lambert we twatted a few teams. And he was utter shite. I just want us to start acting the Charlie big bollocks on the pitch with a never say die attitude. I want that swelling pride I felt under BFR and Brian Little. I want that moment of joy we felt with Pube head before it went sour, that feeling we didn’t fear Nottingham forest or Chelsea. Under Ego G I feel we are a busted flush. I know I’m not a regular down VP but even from
Afar I look to my team to lift me up, never surrender. In my time of 2 league cups watched with teary boyish eyes, that anticipation that despite Manure ruling the world that my club, my Aston Villa could do it, could beat the elite. I don’t want my memories of villa success being promotion from the championship. I want my Villa, my heroes of God, Dalian Atkinson, Ian Taylor, Allan Wright, Nigel Spink. I want new heroes with a leader like SGT. like Gregory. Some spark that we are the reason football exists as it does. I can’t look at Stevie G at anything as another chancer at the helm as we are happy to draw at Man City, Leeds, forest. I’m never going to be as big a fan or get to games as much as everyone else on here. But my childhood glued to the radio and as a man doing the same, I can never settle on the shit we are served every week. Gerrard you will never be one of us and damn you all to hell for the acceptance of mediocrity we have to swallow up. Just get us a decent manager and for gods sake let us be as successful as we deserve to be by getting the right person in. Because for first time ever I am losing interest in football as there is literally nothing to hope for. And I can’t let my Villa die with a whimper. So get the FO Gerrard
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
Only 11. He can turn it around in his 12th.
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A new candidate becomes free...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63248388
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
To me, that equates to a disaster. Every year that passes we fall further behind the elite, and it becomes harder and harder to compete. I have seen nothing, literally, improve during his tenure - I’d argue we have become worse as a collective under Gerrard than we were under Dean. Given the stated ambitions and stature of this club, that’s a disaster.
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it's been a waste of a year, make that two, as the last year with Smith wasn't in the 'continuous improvement' Purslow is after
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
I think Gerrard has been a disaster Dave. We look worse under him, his ego is abhorrent and we are sleep walking into a relegation scrap. Not saying Smithy would have done any better but I was genuinely upset when we got rid of Deano despite knowing he took us as far as he could. Under Scouse Brow I feel like I did under line managers who couldn’t ever admit they were wrong whilst they damned their teams to hell. It has been a disaster I fear will lead to our owners accepting survival as ok. New crests stadiums etc all pointless unless we address what goes on on the pitch. Even under lambert we twatted a few teams. And he was utter shite. I just want us to start acting the Charlie big bollocks on the pitch with a never say die attitude. I want that swelling pride I felt under BFR and Brian Little. I want that moment of joy we felt with Pube head before it went sour, that feeling we didn’t fear Nottingham forest or Chelsea. Under Ego G I feel we are a busted flush. I know I’m not a regular down VP but even from
Afar I look to my team to lift me up, never surrender. In my time of 2 league cups watched with teary boyish eyes, that anticipation that despite Manure ruling the world that my club, my Aston Villa could do it, could beat the elite. I don’t want my memories of villa success being promotion from the championship. I want my Villa, my heroes of God, Dalian Atkinson, Ian Taylor, Allan Wright, Nigel Spink. I want new heroes with a leader like SGT. like Gregory. Some spark that we are the reason football exists as it does. I can’t look at Steven G at anything as another chancer at the helm as we are happy to draw at Man City, Leeds, forest. I’m never going to be as big a fan or get to games as much as everyone else on here. But my childhood glued to the radio and as a man doing the same, I can never settle on the shit we are served every week. Gerrard you will never be one of us and damn you all to hell for the acceptance of mediocrity we have to swallow up. Just get us a decent manager and for gods sake let us be as successful as we deserve to be by getting the right person in. Because for first time ever I am losing interest in football as there is literally nothing to hope for. And I can’t let my Villa die with a whimper. So get the FO Gerrard
Belter of a post that 👍 The club has stood still since Grealish left. It was the same with MONs walk out, he was blamed for years after that. As a former Villa manager once said we need to go again.
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
Interesting thought. There's always churn when a new manager comes in but I think the levels will be greater in getting rid of Gerrard, including what happens with Purslow.
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Biggest reason we went on that winning run in the Championship is we finally had a defence rather than relying on Chester on one leg with Bree or Elphick as his partner. Grealish missed 13 games, there were 5 games in that run where we scored 2 or 3 goals and didn't win. Once we had actual fit CBs, Mings/Hause/Tuanzabe, the only game we concede 2 was the B team against Norwich. Grealish helped of course, but the defence was the biggest factor imo.
Having a keeper that didn't throw one or two most weeks was critical too. Steer did really well for us. Bruce had a nightmare that previous summer letting the likes of Steer go on loan and replacing him with jokers like Nyland.
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Yeah, always feel Steer doesn't get the respect he deserves. He played a vital part in our history.
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Yeah, always feel Steer doesn't get the respect he deserves. He played a vital part in our history.
That penalty shoot out, in particular the walk from the half way line, is one of my favourite moments.
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Nah, Jedinators deathstare usurped it.
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Nah, Jedinators deathstare usurped it.
Yep the stare on the walk.
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Sarina Wiegman anyone?
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For me, it has to be Poch. Go all out for him. Looking back to last November, it's a pity we didn't go for Eddie Howe......
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Newcastle had already been in talks with Howe and formally appointed him the day after we fired Dean Smith. In order to have a chance of Howe we likely would have had to fire Dean earlier. And remember at the time while he had a decent reputation for his work at Bournemouth it’s not as if it was some amazing appointment. And some thought come the summer they would go and get someone of a higher profile. But there is no doubt he has done really well up there and the players they have brought in have certainly contributed and the players who were there have improved. That’s the biggest difference between them and us. Gerrard hasn’t improved anyone in my opinion.
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People were very quick to turn their nose up to Howe, but he's a very, very good coach and has a very clear idea on a style of play and identity for his team. Smith lost his way in what he wanted Villa to look like without Jack. Gerrard I think had an idea but had realised it will never work on a competitive league and good ideas man went to QPR. We now need a coach who can manage, and knows how his team play. Poch for a time was incredible at developing young players into a system they could perform, both at Southampton and Spurs. If he is remotely interested in the project long term, he'd be perfect, but I don't think he will.
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Sarina Wiegman anyone?
She's on the verge of winning a World Cup, and if she achieves that then I think she'll see successfully defending it as her biggest challenge. But we were the first to employ a manager from beyond these islands, weirdly under the most conservative owner, we could break the mould again. I'd not say no, I think she's ace.
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She's more of a punt than Gerrard. Though she comes across better.
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I too think it's been a disaster: when you think that the usual suspects for the europa spots haven't been firing as yet, there's an invitation for a club to get it's act together and make a fist of it. In hiring a rookie manager who's style of play and approach to transfers was totally different to what we had been doing, we've hamstrung ourselves. It was a huge gamble, one that has not paid off, and possibly left us in a worse position, with big contracts and a demoralised squad.
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He's not been a disaster, but he has been a waste of twelve months and counting.
Interesting thought. There's always churn when a new manager comes in but I think the levels will be greater in getting rid of Gerrard, including what happens with Purslow.
I think the difference this time around could be the crowd. If the club is sticking with Gerrard for the foreseeable, it won't be long before the crowd really turns - initially on the manager, but it wouldn't be long before Purslow is really dragged into that if things don't change. That's the sort of thing that can't be undone.
Purslow seems very keen on image and what the big boys think. A televised match against one of the 'top 6' could be a very public embarrassment if the fans turn on Sunday (it may not come that soon, but you get the feeling that most fans want Gerrard gone now). I don't think Purslow will go, but I think he will have a bit of a shock when he sees that a new stand and a new badge isn't enough to keep everyone on side.
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Sarina Wiegman anyone?
She's on the verge of winning a World Cup, and if she achieves that then I think she'll see successfully defending it as her biggest challenge. But we were the first to employ a manager from beyond these islands, weirdly under the most conservative owner, we could break the mould again. I'd not say no, I think she's ace.
At some point there will be a female manager of a mens team and why not.
I really like her.
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Gabriella Benson, please.
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Whoever comes in has to have a plan for the likes of Ings, who was a 1 in 2 striker at Southampton almost, and can't hit a barn door for us. I don't think Bailey or Watkins are as good as people outside of Villa appear to think they are, but they are better than the current showing
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Whoever comes in has to have a plan for the likes of Ings, who was a 1 in 2 striker at Southampton almost, and can't hit a barn door for us. I don't think Bailey or Watkins are as good as people outside of Villa appear to think they are, but they are better than the current showing
Bailey and Watkins strike me as players that respond best to an arm around them. Watkins is relatively new to his position and Bailey is new to this league - I think a manager that has an emphasis on coaching and tactics will get a lot more out of them than we are seeing. Gerrard's attitude seems to be "if you're not good enough, I'll get someone better in", which I don't think is the way to get the best out of these two. Or anyone else, it seems.
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Whoever comes in has to have a plan for the likes of Ings, who was a 1 in 2 striker at Southampton almost, and can't hit a barn door for us. I don't think Bailey or Watkins are as good as people outside of Villa appear to think they are, but they are better than the current showing
Bailey and Watkins strike me as players that respond best to an arm around them. Watkins is relatively new to his position and Bailey is new to this league - I think a manager that has an emphasis on coaching and tactics will get a lot more out of them than we are seeing. Gerrard's attitude seems to be "if you're not good enough, I'll get someone better in", which I don't think is the way to get the best out of these two. Or anyone else, it seems.
That's probably the atmosphere he's been used to at Liverpool. To be fair, a lot of us thought him bringing that to Villa was a good thing. I still think it is to be honest. No excuses etc. The trouble is you've got to be winning games for that approach to work, because if you're not the players start to lose faith that the manager knows WTF he's talking about and that leads to a lack of confidence all round. The team are honest enough to have kept going for Gerrard so far, but they must know he's on borrowed time - that also leads to uncertainty and doubt.
Some of the players we have aren't good enough. Some would probably thrive under a d new manager with a new way of playing.
I'm convinced Gerrard is off soon, unless we go on a winning run starting on Sunday. I'm more worried about who we get next to be honest.
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Whoever comes in has to have a plan for the likes of Ings, who was a 1 in 2 striker at Southampton almost, and can't hit a barn door for us. I don't think Bailey or Watkins are as good as people outside of Villa appear to think they are, but they are better than the current showing
Bailey and Watkins strike me as players that respond best to an arm around them. Watkins is relatively new to his position and Bailey is new to this league - I think a manager that has an emphasis on coaching and tactics will get a lot more out of them than we are seeing. Gerrard's attitude seems to be "if you're not good enough, I'll get someone better in", which I don't think is the way to get the best out of these two. Or anyone else, it seems.
That's probably the atmosphere he's been used to at Liverpool. To be fair, a lot of us thought him bringing that to Villa was a good thing. I still think it is to be honest. No excuses etc. The trouble is you've got to be winning games for that approach to work, because if you're not the players start to lose faith that the manager knows WTF he's talking about and that leads to a lack of confidence all round. The team are honest enough to have kept going for Gerrard so far, but they must know he's on borrowed time - that also leads to uncertainty and doubt.
Some of the players we have aren't good enough. Some would probably thrive under a d new manager with a new way of playing.
I'm convinced Gerrard is off soon, unless we go on a winning run starting on Sunday. I'm more worried about who we get next to be honest.
I think it's quite an old-fashioned management style these days. I get that as fans we don't want to see these overpaid players pampered and pandered to, but it's ultimately about getting the best performances out of them week-in week-out. The 'No Excuses' thing also doesn't work when you hear your manager blame you every week when he has to explain why his team isn't winning!
A good manager will, surely, modify his style in order to get the best out of his players. Just shouting 'Get better' at them probably isn't going to work.
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Gabriella Benson, please.
70 now, the game's moved on, let it go.
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Gabriella Benson, please.
70 now, the game's moved on, let it go.
The word 'shitehawk' became part of our teenage lexicon thanks to her scouse assistant manager on the show
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Is Laurent Blanc still a free agent?
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Boubacar Kamara's previous manager, Jorge Sampaoli, at Marseille walked also recently due to 'lack of ambition'...
I know Blanc speaks English passably, not sure about Sampaoli, or Gerrard for that matter.
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Blanc is at Lyon.
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Boubacar Kamara's previous manager, Jorge Sampaoli, at Marseille walked also recently due to 'lack of ambition'...
Marseille play some lovely stuff, very impressed with their games against Sporting. Not sure Igor Tudor is our man (he could probably still do a job in our midfield), neither Sampaoli who's now happily back at Seville.
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Sampaoli is at Sevilla now. But another former Marseille man Villas Boas is still available. If he's not too busy racing Nascar or whatever.
Claude Puyel hasn't had a gig since end of 2021 by the looks of it. Kept Leicester and Soton up reasonably comfortably in the end. Just sayin'
Marcelino turned down an approach from Brighton recently. Maybe he prefers the jeopardy that the Villa job will bring. Has managed Bilbao, Villareal and Sevilla in the last few years, so looks like he would have the right stuff.
Ball sniffer Joachim Low is still available, surprisingly (not really, the German Southgate. With added weirdness). Staying with Deutschland, our old friend Addi Hutter has been out of contract since Monchengladbach potted him in the summer.
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Puel plays even more boring football than Gerrard, had Leicester 13th in league when he got sacked.
I like the Emery rumours personally. Proven top level manager who also gives young players a chance.
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Puel plays even more boring football than Gerrard, had Leicester 13th in league when he got sacked.
I like the Emery rumours personally. Proven top level manager who also gives young players a chance.
Plays a proper 4-4-2, also. Would love to have some semblance of a midfield back.
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Puel plays even more boring football than Gerrard, had Leicester 13th in league when he got sacked.
I'd probably take 13th now, TBH.
I don't see another 8-9 wins playing this way under the current incumbent.
Not that I'd want Puel either, in an ideal world.
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Pull? No thanks. Boring as fuck..
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Poch for me, quality manager and coach. If the 3 or 5 year plan still exists then he should be the go to.
Right age and background, well respected in the game too
We need another MON appointment IMHO, someone who will come in and won’t take mid table mediocrity, but who wants to go forward and get us back as a top 8/6 team.
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Gallardo is leaving River Plate…
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Rafa Benitez - fuck, imagine that? God, no.
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Genuine question
Why did spurs dump Potch
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Genuine question
Why did spurs dump Potch
They were unhappy with the plans set out in his mini budget.
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Yes and he walked out of a Press Conference because reporters were asking questions.
And he was getting dangerously close to winning an actual trophy.
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I read up a little on him yesterday. The conclusion for me was that it has to be him next. In answer to your question though, the season after he took them to the CL final they were sitting 14th in the November so they pulled the plug. Prematurely I would say, since he’d been there 5 years and pretty much been a huge success.
We need another one like Big Ron / MON, an experienced no fucking about big profile manager that you just know will improve us, and I think he’s the one.
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It all started to go wrong with the decision to play an unfit Kane and drop the bloke who got them into the final.
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Puel plays even more boring football than Gerrard, had Leicester 13th in league when he got sacked.
I'd probably take 13th now, TBH.
I don't see another 8-9 wins playing this way under the current incumbent.
Not that I'd want Puel either, in an ideal world.
I'd take 17th if the current malaise continues. We're bang in trouble if things aren't turned around.
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Poch for me, quality manager and coach. If the 3 or 5 year plan still exists then he should be the go to.
Right age and background, well respected in the game too
We need another MON appointment IMHO, someone who will come in and won’t take mid table mediocrity, but who wants to go forward and get us back as a top 8/6 team.
I fear that if he was interested he would already be our manager
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If I was Poch I'd ride this out and wait for a bigger job.
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If I was Poch I'd ride this out and wait for a bigger job.
There is no bigger job!!! Tsk.
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I think there is an argument for whether he’d come here or prefer a club that is already in the CL or currently higher profile but I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that he’s not ‘already our manager’ since there isn’t currently a vacancy. I think we’d be in with a shout personally.
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Poch, Tuchel and Mancini are all in the elite level category and I'd hope we'd at least have the conversation when the time comes. If you don't ask you don't get.
On Poch in particular, his record was far from stellar when he got the Soton gig. He'd been fired by Espanyol and the Saints fans weren't keen, as odd as that seems now. They were quite happy with Nigel Adkins.
Then he goes to Tottingham and there was a feeling at the time that he wasn't a big enough 'name' for the club with the ultimate delusions of grandeur. In both instances he was hungry and had a point to prove. I'd wonder if he still has that fire. I'd still chance it, mind.
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Gallardo is leaving River Plate…
I touted him before Steeevie got the gig and I hear he’s out of contract soon.
Has done brilliantly there and stopped far longer than a manager normally does in Argentina. I think it’d be too much of a punt for us and him though.
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Whatever manager we bring in if and when will be a risk
Even Poch doesn’t guarantee anything, Although obviously I’ll be delighted with him
All these bucket list stuff I’m reading about who we need ie prem experience, in winning stuff beforehand or whatever is all well and good but sometimes it’s just potluck
Look at Arteta at arsenal no previous Premier League experience as a manager and he’s sitting on top of it
There’s countless big names even elite names gone to clubs and done rubbish
Yes you have to do all the due diligence make a considered appointment but at the end of the day it’s still a throw of the dice
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I want an established manager on the up. No more punts. In hindsight, Potter was the man but we missed the boat.
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I'd be happy with Thomas Frank at this moment.
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I'd feel better about him if he acted his age and got rid of the curtains hairstyle. Maybe he still hankers after his youth and Copenhagen 1988.
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I'd be happy with Thomas Frank at this moment.
Getting rid of one arrogant tosser for another doesn’t really appeal to me,
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I read up a little on him yesterday. The conclusion for me was that it has to be him next. In answer to your question though, the season after he took them to the CL final they were sitting 14th in the November so they pulled the plug. Prematurely I would say, since he’d been there 5 years and pretty much been a huge success.
We need another one like Big Ron / MON, an experienced no fucking about big profile manager that you just know will improve us, and I think he’s the one.
Reading up on Poch? He managed in this country for 7 years so not like he's a Gallardo type?
We're more Southampton than Spurs but he did a fantastic job there aswell, made international players out of Lallana and Rickie Lambert and Jay Rodriquez would've got an England call up but did his ACL a week before squad was announced.
That's exactly what we need.
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I'd be happy with Thomas Frank at this moment.
Getting rid of one arrogant tosser for another doesn’t really appeal to me,
By that yardstick we'd never have got Ron Saunders. And said no to Alex Ferguson for that matter.What if Poch is a tosser.Should we bail on him?
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Frank is very good. I like managers with personality and he certainly has it.
Whether it's just he looks good in Brentford's management system I don't know but Watkins and Konsa will certainly be happy if he turns up.
Could do worse.
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Frank would be exactly the type of manager that’d brick up the glass ceiling we have now.
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Brentford were a good, attractive team when he took over.
Kudos to him for finally getting them up. But any time I've seen them recently they look closer to Wimbledon circa 88 now. Not for me.
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I've said this a couple of times to people who've asked me about who Villa might replace Gerrard with, but I'm tired of the selection in the corner shop, I want to go shopping in the hypermarket.
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It's a no to Frank from me as well, I reckon he'd be a bit of a Paul Lambert for us.
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Whatever manager we bring in if and when will be a risk
Even Poch doesn’t guarantee anything, Although obviously I’ll be delighted with him
All these bucket list stuff I’m reading about who we need ie prem experience, in winning stuff beforehand or whatever is all well and good but sometimes it’s just potluck
Look at Arteta at arsenal no previous Premier League experience as a manager and he’s sitting on top of it
There’s countless big names even elite names gone to clubs and done rubbish
Yes you have to do all the due diligence make a considered appointment but at the end of the day it’s still a throw of the dice
I agree, but like all recruitment decisions you try to do everything you can to narrow the odds.
The Dilligence process on Gerrard seems to have been pretty limited.
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Didnt Vinnie say earlier in the thread, rumour has it Poch has already turned us down?
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I've said this a couple of times to people who've asked me about who Villa might replace Gerrard with, but I'm tired of the selection in the corner shop, I want to go shopping in the hypermarket.
we keep shopping at Ali Express.
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A proven manager will only come with the promise of a big budget. No way will we attract anyone decent if they are told they have to work with what we’ve got for the rest of the season and beyond. The issue is will the owners plough in another few hundred million to rectify some very poor manager and player appointments. They’ve been fantastic so far but they had a plan and it looked a decent one on paper but it’s all gone a bit pear shaped.
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To be fair it's one very poor managerial appointment. Smith fulfilled his remit I think. Got us promoted and secured us in the Premier League.
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To be fair it's one very poor managerial appointment. Smith fulfilled his remit I think. Got us promoted and secured us in the Premier League.
Yep. Smith was a good manager for us in the context of where we were when he joined v when he left, regardless of the circumstances (Grealish). I wouldn't want him back, but you can't say he was a bad choice and didn't work out.
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To be fair it's one very poor managerial appointment. Smith fulfilled his remit I think. Got us promoted and secured us in the Premier League.
Yeh I agree. Dean Smith very much was a success and probably ahead of time. That it fell apart wasn’t all on him but it happens. And I don’t think this appointment was entirely vanity. Gerrard had done good things at Rangers. No point rewriting history there. He was a young upcoming manager that had global appeal in markets we wanted to break into. The hope was he would grow in this role and become the next big thing. I can get all of that. That it’s not worked out won’t look good on Purslow but the best owners/chairmen everywhere have made bad hires.
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I read up a little on him yesterday. The conclusion for me was that it has to be him next. In answer to your question though, the season after he took them to the CL final they were sitting 14th in the November so they pulled the plug. Prematurely I would say, since he’d been there 5 years and pretty much been a huge success.
We need another one like Big Ron / MON, an experienced no fucking about big profile manager that you just know will improve us, and I think he’s the one.
Reading up on Poch? He managed in this country for 7 years so not like he's a Gallardo type?
We're more Southampton than Spurs but he did a fantastic job there aswell, made international players out of Lallana and Rickie Lambert and Jay Rodriquez would've got an England call up but did his ACL a week before squad was announced.
That's exactly what we need.
Well, obviously i knew a fair bit about him but in all honesty i haven't got a photographic memory of what this bloke did at Tottenham several years ago, or so and so at Chelsea 5 years before, or someone else at Arsenal around the same time. It was a revision based on knowing that he's a manager with a seriously good record and who is out of work.
Yes, he would be great wouldn't he?
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1 very poor managerial appointment as Smith was a huge success for us. To get rid of him for an unproven option who has a name was a huge gamble. The trigger pulled too early on Smith for my liking, especially for someone who had very little managerial experience and isn’t as good a coach. But if the same standards are being placed on Gerrard as Smith then he’s got Sunday to put it right.
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Rumours that Poch is one of the candidates that may replace Allegri at Juve
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Rumours that Poch is one of the candidates that may replace Allegri at Juve
Juve don't have the money apparently. Tuchel would surely be in frame for that job and Zidane aswell.
In last six months he's possibly been overlooked for Chelsea and Sevilla jobs, both sides in CL so I really do think he'd have to consider type of club like us rather than just wait years for CL club to decide they want him.
Or he just wants a years break from the game which is entirely possible to come back refreshed. Get the feeling we put the feelers out around the Man. City game and that's the response we got but you never know when people can change their mind and want to get back into the game.
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
It's the only way the owners can show they mean business now. Another punt or underwhelming manager and their 'project' will look dead in the water.
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
It's the only way the owners can show they mean business now. Another punt or underwhelming manager and their 'project' will look dead in the water.
Its their big headline on the Sport page, even after a 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'/Citeh match.. hopefully there is some truth to it.
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If true it also signals an openness to further investment in the playing squad so it would be excellent news indeed.
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
I think damage is a too strong a word. We just haven't progressed. It's not as if whoever the next manager is will need to overhaul it. We showed yesterday we can be a decent side on our day but we've not shown that anywhere near enough and that's obviously one of the problems.
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I really hope this is true and also really hope he accepts!
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
I think damage is a too strong a word. We just haven't progressed. It's not as if whoever the next manager is will need to overhaul it. We showed yesterday we can be a decent side on our day but we've not shown that anywhere near enough and that's obviously one of the problems.
I dunno. I think 12-18 months ago there was a really strong connection between the players/manager/club and the fans. I'm not sure if you were there yesterday, but the general feeling I got was that most of the crowd didn't want to be there. I mentioned on another thread the apathy around the place - I think that's incredibly damaging for a football club.
Gerrard isn't completely to blame for this - but he's a big contributor and replacing him with someone who knows what they're doing will be a massive step in the right direction. They won't need to overhaul it, they'll just need to be a better manager which is a very achievable goal.
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Yes, I was there and I kind of get what you mean. The atmosphere wasnt great and I kind of got the impression people want change to give us a reboot and I get that. If he was to go tomorrow, I don't think his reign will have been a complete disaster, just something that didn't work.
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I’m trying not to get my hopes up. We’re Aston Villa, we’re not allowed to have nice things.
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If Percy is involved I am going to get my hopes up!
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
I think damage is a too strong a word. We just haven't progressed. It's not as if whoever the next manager is will need to overhaul it. We showed yesterday we can be a decent side on our day but we've not shown that anywhere near enough and that's obviously one of the problems.
I dunno. I think 12-18 months ago there was a really strong connection between the players/manager/club and the fans. I'm not sure if you were there yesterday, but the general feeling I got was that most of the crowd didn't want to be there. I mentioned on another thread the apathy around the place - I think that's incredibly damaging for a football club.
Gerrard isn't completely to blame for this - but he's a big contributor and replacing him with someone who knows what they're doing will be a massive step in the right direction. They won't need to overhaul it, they'll just need to be a better manager which is a very achievable goal.
I think your right - I think the general feeling is we have been duped again by the emperor's new clothes routine, and people are doubting our ambition is more than just PR. Appointing a top class manager would really help to convenience us otherwise.
TBF I think they thought that SG would do that - but I think they underestimated just how difficult it is to manage a club like Villa. To an extent - I think DS made it look too easy.
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The Telegraph are reporting that we are 'making an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management'. Percy, Matt Law and Sam Wallace all contributed to the article apparently, so there may be some truth to it.
This would go a long way to repairing the damage done over the last 11 months - I really hope we are this ambitious.
I think damage is a too strong a word. We just haven't progressed. It's not as if whoever the next manager is will need to overhaul it. We showed yesterday we can be a decent side on our day but we've not shown that anywhere near enough and that's obviously one of the problems.
I dunno. I think 12-18 months ago there was a really strong connection between the players/manager/club and the fans. I'm not sure if you were there yesterday, but the general feeling I got was that most of the crowd didn't want to be there. I mentioned on another thread the apathy around the place - I think that's incredibly damaging for a football club.
Gerrard isn't completely to blame for this - but he's a big contributor and replacing him with someone who knows what they're doing will be a massive step in the right direction. They won't need to overhaul it, they'll just need to be a better manager which is a very achievable goal.
My son had a footie game the other side of Birmingham that didnt finish till 1.30, we had a christening party to go to which i could of gone after the match. I honestly couldn’t muster the energy to work out the logistics of parking after 2pm when we would of arrived in Aston and getting to the party after, i think its been years since i missed a game other than the pandemic. I know we’ve had worse times in the early to mid 2010s, but this last few months has been a horrible slog and it is worse because no matter how it went with Smith at the end, there was a connection that had been created.
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If Percy is involved I am going tog et my hopes up!
nope
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Matt Law in the Torygraph:
Aston Villa will make an ambitious attempt to convince Mauricio Pochettino to step back into management with the Midlands club as Steven Gerrard enters the most critical week (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/10/14/steven-gerrard-has-week-save-aston-villa-job/) of his year in charge.
Gerrard is preparing for games against Fulham, at Craven Cottage on Thursday night, and Brentford, at Villa Park on Sunday, that could seal his Villa fate.
Even if he somehow survived a defeat to Fulham, it is thought Villa would have to beat Brentford to give Gerrard any chance of surviving the sack – although even that may prove to be a stay of execution.
Telegraph Sport understands that Pochettino is the first man Villa will turn to if Gerrard is sacked, with co-owner Nassef Sawiris expected to lead any process, with Wes Edens, chief executive Christian Purslow and sporting director Johan Lange all heavily involved.
Villa could wait if Pochettino showed interest But Villa will face a huge task to convince Pochettino to resume his coaching career in the Midlands, given he has spent his last six years in management in the Champions League at Tottenham Hotspur and Paris Saint-Germain, and has worked with some of the biggest stars in world football.
That will not stop Villa trying to move heaven and earth to tempt Pochettino, with the timing of Gerrard’s dismissal also likely to be impacted by the club’s need to line up a replacement.
Villa would almost certainly be prepared to wait for Pochettino if he unexpectedly showed any interest in the job but did not want to make an immediate commitment.
Were he to reject an approach, then more ambitious checks could be made on former Chelsea head coach Thomas Tuchel, who is out of work, and ex-Arsenal manager Unai Emery, who is in charge of Villarreal, with Villa needing a distinguishable step up on Gerrard and the right man to help deliver the vision of the owners.
Sawiris and co-owner Edens still have big plans for Villa, with the pair adding a Las Vegas team, who are in talks to enter the MLS, to their portfolio and also hoping to secure at least one European club, as well as opening two academies in Africa.
Purslow is often credited with being in charge of managerial decisions at Villa, such as the decision to sack Dean Smith and replace him with Gerrard (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/09/02/aston-villas-appointment-steven-gerrard-gamble-have-hold-nerve/), whom he knew from their time together at Liverpool, last November.
But decisions are made collaboratively among Villa’s board and Lange, and it is understood that Gerrard’s relationship with Purslow will not spare him from the sack if Villa’s results do not instantly and dramatically improve.
Gerrard saw his Villa team produce one of their best performances of the season in the 2-0 defeat to Chelsea, but the club now sit just one point above the bottom three in 16th position. Villa were two points clear of the relegation zone in exactly the same position in the table when Gerrard succeeded Smith.
Villa woes exposed under Gerrard this season Villa have scored only seven Premier League goals this season and there has been no tangible improvement under Gerrard, despite the club signing Philippe Coutinho, Lucas Digne, Diego Carlos, Boubacar Kamara, Leander Dendoncker and Jan Bednarek, who is on loan from Southampton.
There is sympathy that Digne, Carlos and Kamara are all currently out injured, but Coutinho has made no impact since signing permanently this summer and Gerrard pulled the plug on the planned signing of Watford forward Ismaila Sarr, who has scored four goals this season. Dendoncker and Bednarek are yet to start a game.
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Is Matt Law reliable?
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No idea, but John Percy retweeted it.
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Move heaven and earth to get Poch.
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If Percy retweeted it, then it's got to be pretty credible.
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If Percy retweeted it, then it's got to be pretty credible.
Well it would be remiss if they were not making plans. I still think he’s got these next 2 games to turn it around though
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It's on.
Can't wait to hear my Pochettino song being sang from the stands of Villa Park.
Argentina flags everywhere.
8)
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I think the end is close. It's not just this season. It's the end of last also. Throw in how the fans feel about him (home and away), and commentary around a feeling of detachment from the club and it's clear that he doesn't have a future. And players simply haven't performed to their level, or progressed sufficiently. There is a malaise around the club that needs to be lifted.
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TBF I think they thought that SG would do that - but I think they underestimated just how difficult it is to manage a club like Villa. To an extent - I think DS made it look too easy.
There's prob a degree of truth to that.
I also think Smith was/is more of a people person. Whereas SG doesn't strike me as that.
Might have either been in the promotion season or our first season back and someone asked him whether he read the riot act to the players after a bad performance and he said, paraphrasing, no. Because we need those same players next week and I work hard at trying to have a neutral response. He said he had done that early on at his time at Walsall and realised there was no benefit to it.
John Terry shortly after he'd left Villa (or maybe shortly after Smith had been sacked) was asked in a TV interview what had he learned from Deano and he said man management and a more considerate approach to players. He'd been in high-performance dressing rooms where excuses were not tolerated (no excuses, sound familiar?)
Shortly after the Covid lockdown an unnamed Villa player kept on coming in late to training and looked distracted when he did turn up. Terry said to his mind it was unacceptable and he wanted to bawl the player out. Smith said maybe find out what was going on in his personal life. Can't recall if it was a first child or summat else, but the long and short of it is the club gave him a bit of breathing space and the player responded with key performances in our run in.
You need to strike a balance, obviously. Or else you get pisstakers like Gabby, Micah Richards and Ross McCormack taking over the asylum.
But players in our bracket probably respond better to the collaborative approach of a Dean Smith or similar rather than a Roy Keane or Steve Gerrard nausing them out about how many trophies they've won etc.
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No idea, but John Percy retweeted it.
Yeah but man is always gonna support his colleague in public, even if he's shit. I'm sure you've done it yourself!
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If Percy is involved I am going to get my hopes up!
Poch is a big fan of "Gangsters, Geezers and Mods" from what I've heard, so it's got legs
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Poch and a quality round badge, that's all I ask.
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Are we going to do a Spurs and sack our manager with another already lined up raring to go?
Or, do a Villa and sack our manager, Poch says no and we get Southgate.
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This Southgate talk is insane. He isn't available. He isn't going to be available.
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No idea, but John Percy retweeted it.
Yeah but man is always gonna support his colleague in public, even if he's shit. I'm sure you've done it yourself!
Eamonn, I'd retweet YOU. That's how little I respect my Twitter profile.
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TBF I think they thought that SG would do that - but I think they underestimated just how difficult it is to manage a club like Villa. To an extent - I think DS made it look too easy.
There's prob a degree of truth to that.
I also think Smith was/is more of a people person. Whereas SG doesn't strike me as that.
Might have either been in the promotion season or our first season back and someone asked him whether he read the riot act to the players after a bad performance and he said, paraphrasing, no. Because we need those same players next week and I work hard at trying to have a neutral response. He said he had done that early on at his time at Walsall and realised there was no benefit to it.
John Terry shortly after he'd left Villa (or maybe shortly after Smith had been sacked) was asked in a TV interview what had he learned from Deano and he said man management and a more considerate approach to players. He'd been in high-performance dressing rooms where excuses were not tolerated (no excuses, sound familiar?)
Shortly after the Covid lockdown an unnamed Villa player kept on coming in late to training and looked distracted when he did turn up. Terry said to his mind it was unacceptable and he wanted to bawl the player out. Smith said maybe find out what was going on in his personal life. Can't recall if it was a first child or summat else, but the long and short of it is the club gave him a bit of breathing space and the player responded with key performances in our run in.
You need to strike a balance, obviously. Or else you get pisstakers like Gabby, Micah Richards and Ross McCormack taking over the asylum.
But players in our bracket probably respond better to the collaborative approach of a Dean Smith or similar rather than a Roy Keane or Steve Gerrard nausing them out about how many trophies they've won etc.
There wasn't anything that man wouldn't do for the benefit of Aston Villa. That's what the difference was, regardless off tactical acumen or anything else, there was trust.
The players, the staff and then fans, we trusted him.and he never let us down.
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This Southgate talk is insane. He isn't available. He isn't going to be available.
I was only joking and I couldn’t think of someone as bad as when we appointed McLeish.
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This Southgate talk is insane. He isn't available. He isn't going to be available.
I was only joking and I couldn’t think of someone as bad as when we appointed McLeish.
Dyche?
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This Southgate talk is insane. He isn't available. He isn't going to be available.
I was only joking and I couldn’t think of someone as bad as when we appointed McLeish.
Sorry. A few people have suggested him in earnest.
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I guess at times like this it might not be wise to say a name in Jest. I did watch Candyman and I know how that turned out.
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This Southgate talk is insane. He isn't available. He isn't going to be available.
I was only joking and I couldn’t think of someone as bad as when we appointed McLeish.
Dyche?
Oh dear. I don’t know what’s worse, waiting for Truss to go and be replaced by another moron or Villa sacking Gerrard and appointing another duffer.
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Brentford were a good, attractive team when he took over.
Kudos to him for finally getting them up. But any time I've seen them recently they look closer to Wimbledon circa 88 now. Not for me.
They are a well run club. We aren't. We need someone to come in who has experience of turning around a bit of a mess. Poch and Tuchel both fit the bill but both simply have to sign up to the DOF model. Tuchel would have no issues with it anyway, he whinged like crazy last summer when Chelsea sacked Cech and all the support staff.
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Poch would be a real statement of intent from NSWE. He'd be brilliant for some of our talented young players. I just think it's too big an ask to convince him. He'd certainly want to move a load of the current first team on if he did come
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He’d match the ambition of the stadium plans. Please make it happen.
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Poch would be a real statement of intent from NSWE. He'd be brilliant for some of our talented young players. I just think it's too big an ask to convince him. He'd certainly want to move a load of the current first team on if he did come
I'd want him to move a load of the current first team on if he came
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TBF I think they thought that SG would do that - but I think they underestimated just how difficult it is to manage a club like Villa. To an extent - I think DS made it look too easy.
There's prob a degree of truth to that.
I also think Smith was/is more of a people person. Whereas SG doesn't strike me as that.
Might have either been in the promotion season or our first season back and someone asked him whether he read the riot act to the players after a bad performance and he said, paraphrasing, no. Because we need those same players next week and I work hard at trying to have a neutral response. He said he had done that early on at his time at Walsall and realised there was no benefit to it.
John Terry shortly after he'd left Villa (or maybe shortly after Smith had been sacked) was asked in a TV interview what had he learned from Deano and he said man management and a more considerate approach to players. He'd been in high-performance dressing rooms where excuses were not tolerated (no excuses, sound familiar?)
Shortly after the Covid lockdown an unnamed Villa player kept on coming in late to training and looked distracted when he did turn up. Terry said to his mind it was unacceptable and he wanted to bawl the player out. Smith said maybe find out what was going on in his personal life. Can't recall if it was a first child or summat else, but the long and short of it is the club gave him a bit of breathing space and the player responded with key performances in our run in.
You need to strike a balance, obviously. Or else you get pisstakers like Gabby, Micah Richards and Ross McCormack taking over the asylum.
But players in our bracket probably respond better to the collaborative approach of a Dean Smith or similar rather than a Roy Keane or Steve Gerrard nausing them out about how many trophies they've won etc.
I hadn’t heard those stories before, so thanks for posting.
It’s a tightrope that all managers need to negotiate and very few get the balance right over the long term.
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That article is ultra speculative.
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There was a story about Smith going to get rid of a youth team player at Walsall because of his attitude, then finding out his home life was chaotic so he helped him out instead, and Walsall sold him for £1 million in the end. Sir Graham was like that. I don't think Gerrard is, and maybe that's because he's always had it easy. He's always been the big star, the player everyone looked at, and because he's never had to struggle he can't understand how anyone can.
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That article is ultra speculative.
I'm not getting my hopes up, and it's not just me who thinks it's unlikely to happen. https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1582052571208114177
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That article is ultra speculative.
I'm not getting my hopes up, and it's not just me who thinks it's unlikely to happen. https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1582052571208114177
Well, PP has him at almost evens to get the sack.. so there's hope.
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There was a story about Smith going to get rid of a youth team player at Walsall because of his attitude, then finding out his home life was chaotic so he helped him out instead, and Walsall sold him for £1 million in the end. Sir Graham was like that. I don't think Gerrard is, and maybe that's because he's always had it easy. He's always been the big star, the player everyone looked at, and because he's never had to struggle he can't understand how anyone can.
One of my good friends is a scouser and lifelong Liverpool fan. Says the exact same thing about Gerrard, knows people around him. Says he needs taking down a peg or two because he thinks the world revolves around him, especially in football.
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Thing is it’s understandable in a weird way - if you’ve always has that experience why would understand anything else?
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Which is why the best players rarely make good coaches.
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Agree Dave. Totally different skill set. There are exceptions but yes, they have had it all as a player
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Yep some struggle to understand the struggle of not being an absolute star.
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No idea, but John Percy retweeted it.
Yeah but man is always gonna support his colleague in public, even if he's shit. I'm sure you've done it yourself!
Eamonn, I'd retweet YOU. That's how little I respect my Twitter profile.
Thanks...I thought you were a swell guy, not some bad cover version :(
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If Percy is involved I am going to get my hopes up!
Poch is a big fan of "Gangsters, Geezers and Mods" from what I've heard, so it's got legs
True story.
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I’d love Pochettino at Villa but I think that we aren’t an attractive proposition to a coach of his calibre at the moment.
Unless he fancies a challenge!
Sir Graham and Deano “got” the Villa, Gerrard sees us as a stepping stone. Unfortunately for us that stepping stone is a step too far and he’s out of his depth.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
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Poch needs a bit of reputation repair, but he could be bloody brilliant with this squad.
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He's hardly a chequebook manager either.
He worked wonders at Southampton despite being a far from popular appointment initially. And didn't Tottingham go 12-18 months without signing a player on his watch? From memory I don't think he had a final say on transfers for most of his tenure there.
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He's hardly a chequebook manager either.
He worked wonders at Southampton despite being a far from popular appointment initially. And didn't Tottingham go 12-18 months without signing a player on his watch? From memory I don't think he had a final say on transfers for most of his tenure there.
2018/19 Tottenham signed literally nobody and got to the CL final 8)
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Managerial graveyard, some don't even manage again after us (RDM, Tactics, DOL, Garde?), Others we pretty much extinguish any upwardly mobile manager so they have to drop down and start again (Lambert, Gerrard, MON, Little?). Gerrard will be in camp A I think, just doesn't have the people management skills to be a top coach. That ego probably made him a great player but different skills required.
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Thoughts on Thomas Frank if we’re unable to secure Poch or someone else more high profile and experienced? Apparently Brentford are looking to negotiate a new contract with him, and I’ve been impressed by what I’ve seen of him.
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I'm not ready to lower my expectations yet, but will see how the coming weeks play out.
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I’m not so sure about Poch. When you look at his managerial career it’s not that great and the stories of him losing the players at Spudz does not bode well. His first spell at Espanyol didn’t end well and it looks like Southampton took a punt
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There was a story about Smith going to get rid of a youth team player at Walsall because of his attitude, then finding out his home life was chaotic so he helped him out instead, and Walsall sold him for £1 million in the end. Sir Graham was like that. I don't think Gerrard is, and maybe that's because he's always had it easy. He's always been the big star, the player everyone looked at, and because he's never had to struggle he can't understand how anyone can.
This ties to the great managers thread in 'other football' Shankly and Paisley worked at the mines. Fergie was a toolmaker. Clough had his career cut short. Guttmann was tortured by nazis. Sacchi was a shoe salesman. The greatest managers have known something of life.
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On WM last night the presenter said that Villa were trying to get Poch as our new manager
It could be an interesting week
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Managerial graveyard, some don't even manage again after us (RDM, Tactics, DOL, Garde?), Others we pretty much extinguish any upwardly mobile manager so they have to drop down and start again (Lambert, Gerrard, MON, Little?). Gerrard will be in camp A I think, just doesn't have the people management skills to be a top coach. That ego probably made him a great player but different skills required.
The ego is often the thing that stops people being successful, most great leaders have humility.
people have to taste failure to become very successful.
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I think managers will look at the awful record of most and think they’re the ones to change it around. Which is exactly what I’d want to see. Just never seems to work out
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Thoughts on Thomas Frank if we’re unable to secure Poch or someone else more high profile and experienced? Apparently Brentford are looking to negotiate a new contract with him, and I’ve been impressed by what I’ve seen of him.
From one totally arrogant tosser to another?
I’m not sure, and anyway Brentford keep screwing us over so I’m sure Frank would be an unmitigated disaster for us.
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Bbc gossip says the Telegraph reporting that we want Poch.
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Bbc gossip says the Telegraph reporting that we want Poch.
TBF that’s probably obvious. Unfortunately I get the impression he doesn’t want the job, or at least will take a hell of a lot of convincing. There’s been rumors we’ve been chatting to his reps for over a month and that he’s been waiting for other opportunities
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Poch
Ended badly at Espanyol
Sacked trom Tottenham and Paris
It's a big no from me,I fear this would be another disaster. We should be going all out to bring in Jose Mourinho if we actually want some silverware.
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😆😆😆 comedy gold!!! Wow 😆
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Poch
Ended badly at Espanyol
Sacked trom Tottenham and Paris
It's a big no from me,I fear this would be another disaster. We should be going all out to bring in Jose Mourinho if we actually want some silverware.
The one manager who would guarantee worse football than we’re currently being served.
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Poch
Ended badly at Espanyol
Saked trom Tottenham and Paris
It'sa big no from me,I fear this would be another disaster. We should be going all out to bring in Jose Mourinho if we actually want some silverware.
Another pisstake - we'd certainly lose the 26,000 ST waiting list if Mooorinio were to be hired.
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Wilma is just posting for effect. Dont fall for it. You should all realise that by now.
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Wanting one of the most successful managers of all time ,who wins something everywhere he goes (sacked by spurs after getting them to a final?)
Yet calling for 'poch' who has won sod all is trendy thing to say.
There's something of a trend happening here and it's usually what I see coming true.....some people just don't like to hear it how it is.
Fingers crossed for a new CEO and a Labour Government by the end of the year. Both aren't far away, when the next guy fails at Aston Villa the owners will have no choice but to question those running the show.
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Whilst I agree on the Labour Government, can we all not get dragged into Freds poch is shit spam!!
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I love fred and value his considered opinion
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If Juventus are after Poch then I feel we might be disappointed
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I love fred and value his considered opinion
Me too, a valued contrary viewpoint is always appreciated.
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If Juventus are after Poch then I feel we might be disappointed
Yeah. IF we did have a slim chance, the Juve job coming would be likely to kybosh that.
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Juventus seem to be getting linked with everyone who has ever managed Tottenham. They can't appoint all of them.
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Juventus seem to be getting linked with everyone who has ever managed Tottenham. They can't appoint all of them.
On talksport they are talking about manager behaviour.
Sherwood saying he tried to backheel a water bottle in frustration when boss at villa and did his hamstring!
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, Algy.
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It's a strange mix of self-deprecation and expectation. I read something Gary Neville was saying about Villa having a long-standing cultural proble, which I think is partly true. We've also recruited poor managers either side ion Dean Smith. Anyway, here is the quote:
"For me, it’s never been an easy club, Villa, to change, get the culture right and make the step up, even with the money they’ve spent. They were in the Championship a couple of years ago. To get them to make that jump where West Ham have been or Leicester, no one’s seemed to be able to do that with Villa.
"That’s not a Steven Gerrard problem, that’s a culture problem and a mentality problem for many, many years, so I hope he’s able to sort it out."
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steven-gerrard-neville-25280039 (do yourself a favour and don't click the link).
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the biggest pisstake is actually wanting a labour government ffs , as if i dont see much of my wages already 🙄
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
What? Who truthfully expects us to finish above all the London sides? Even if 'eventually'?
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the biggest pisstake is actually wanting a labour government ffs , as if i dont see much of my wages already 🙄
Wrong thread?
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Yeah its a very tough gig - but we have appointed some awful unproven managers time and again.
We're a huge club ran like a family business since the 1970s. That is what the owners have tried to change, and I think there getting there.
I really think it could be as simple as we just appointed someone who was really not ready for the job (and may well never be).
I think possibly CP has too much say in football matters, and the not sure that Lange has any sort of vision other than just trying to source who hes told
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
Disagree with this. Think most people would acknowledge that the landscape of the Premier League has changed over the last five years and to now finish in the top six is quite a big ask for any clubs outside the current occupants. Some maybe not traditionally, but they are massive clubs now, with huge stadiums to boot (except Chelsea), quality squads and it would be a tough ask to overhaul them over the course of a season.
Realistically, I think progress for us over the next few years would be to firmly establish ourselves in the top ten and looking towards that seventh spot and European competition again. Then,with the ground hopefully redeveloped, we could look to push on again. Frustratingly, Newcastle seem to have done this in a very short timeframe and without spending vast amounts, so I think it is achievable.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, Algy.
Maybe it depends on age, but I would have thought most Villa fans see us as a top 6 club. Not on recent performance, but on stature and where we should be.
I don't think there's an expectation that we finish above all London sides, just that we should be in, or at least in the mix for, top 6.
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It's a strange mix of self-deprecation and expectation. I read something Gary Neville was saying about Villa having a long-standing cultural proble, which I think is partly true. We've also recruited poor managers either side ion Dean Smith. Anyway, here is the quote:
"For me, it’s never been an easy club, Villa, to change, get the culture right and make the step up, even with the money they’ve spent. They were in the Championship a couple of years ago. To get them to make that jump where West Ham have been or Leicester, no one’s seemed to be able to do that with Villa.
"That’s not a Steven Gerrard problem, that’s a culture problem and a mentality problem for many, many years, so I hope he’s able to sort it out."
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steven-gerrard-neville-25280039 (do yourself a favour and don't click the link).
I think there's some truth to that and, contrary to what many people claim, a lot of it comes from our willingness (that Dave W regularly points out) to accept failure. We do get angry, we do complain, but we are quite fatalistic in our assumption that no matter what we do, things will go wrong somewhere.
Speaking personally, my expectations are that we hire competent people, try to play some good football, take every competition seriously, and challenge consistently in line with what we spend. If it's true that we're the 7th highest spenders in the league, I'd expect us to hover around 5th-9th most of the time, finish top half more often than not, and be one of the favourites for either of the cups when a few of the Sky 6 get knocked out.
Not exactly outrageous.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
Disagree with this. Think most people would acknowledge that the landscape of the Premier League has changed over the last five years and to now finish in the top six is quite a big ask for any clubs outside the current occupants. Some maybe not traditionally, but they are massive clubs now, with huge stadiums to boot (except Chelsea), quality squads and it would be a tough ask to overhaul them over the course of a season.
Realistically, I think progress for us over the next few years would be to firmly establish ourselves in the top ten and looking towards that seventh spot and European competition again. Then,with the ground hopefully redeveloped, we could look to push on again. Frustratingly, Newcastle seem to have done this in a very short timeframe and without spending vast amounts, so I think it is achievable.
I think we're a good manager away from that without signing any nw players. I personally hope our aim is much higher than 7th in 3 years time, but I admire your patience!
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And people were saying 10 years ago that breaking into 'the big 4' as it was then was unrealistic. Now it's the 'top 6'. There is always an elite set of clubs. We should be one of them and until we actually start acting like that (Gerrard should now be gone but isn't) it will never ever change.
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the biggest pisstake is actually wanting a labour government ffs , as if i dont see much of my wages already 🙄
Wrong thread?
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the biggest pisstake is actually wanting a labour government ffs , as if i dont see much of my wages already 🙄
Wrong thread?
Wrong head
Its been a long day
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And people were saying 10 years ago that breaking into 'the big 4' as it was then was unrealistic. Now it's the 'top 6'. There is always an elite set of clubs. We should be one of them and until we actually start acting like that (Gerrard should now be gone but isn't) it will never ever change.
I'd say that's aspiration rather than expectation though, to be fair.
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We have the look of a big club, we have the history that a lot of them don't, we have the owners with the requisite money to make a big club, and we talk about being a big club a lot (as do others when discussing us).
We just never actually look like a big club on the pitch.
The meek acceptance of utter mediocrity is what does it. It just seems to never stop.
At how many other clubs, with the record he has with us, would Gerrard still be in place and seemingly untouchable?
And that's not just how many big clubs, how many top flight clubs, full stop?
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To paraphrase someone either here or on Twitter, five years in and we're still talking about a project.
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Isn't our wage bill the eight highest in the division? Thought I read that somewhere recently. That's where we should be aiming as the benchmark.
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Purslow said our budget is based around finishing 8th.
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We don't deal well with setbacks.
Seems we overachieve for a bit, people get giddy and excited (in the boardroom as much as stands) and there's no real plan or desire to bounceback if things go wrong.
We lost the 2000 final in dismal fashion and that was the end for us as established top 6 club in premier league and we just treaded water for many seasons after until Ellis sold the club.
We gave it a go for a few years under Lerner and it was genuinely exciting. Until the moment O'Neill walked out and we pretty much gave up overnight. No other club who'd just finished top 6 on three successive occasions would appoint a semi retired manager, they just wouldn't and then as player quality reduced our manager appointments were just punts.
Then in recent times we've done well but with so much ground to make up in premier league so I'd give the present ownership more of a pass. However it seems they all assumed Grealish would stay here for life (despite nearly leaving in August 2020) and we were blindsided by him leaving.
In fairness I actually thought some of the signings last summer were pretty logical, they just haven't worked out so far. In hindsight we probably should've signed one of Bailey/Buendia in summer 2020 so they could've been integrated into a winning club and settled quicker.
That all said giving Gerrard endless games when it's beyond him is not a good look especially as seemingly we haven't put feelers out to other managers until last few days as indicated by the emerging press reports.
We will never achieve anything of substance until we see dealing with setbacks as a challenge rather than a major hindrance and basically give up. I think that's what Neville was talking about with regards mentality.
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Its a bit too easy and just point the finger and blame it on culture. Organizations ultimately reflect the caliber of people at the top. A fish rots from the head down.
I dont expect the owners to be experts in Football Club management I just want them to appoint people that are.
If you want to change the culture at Aston Villa, replace the people that have overseen a year of diminishing achievement with nothing to show for it except a higher wage bill.
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In fairness I actually thought some of the signings last summer were pretty logical, they just haven't worked out so far. In hindsight we probably should've signed one of Bailey/Buendia in summer 2020 so they could've been integrated into a winning club and settled quicker.
Ings was the odd one - panic purchase and a player that very clearly didn't fit (and still doesn't) into our system. Bailey and Ings are upgrades to Trez and AEG, but the third signing should have been a fast, strong mobile striker to replace/compete with Watkins.
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And people were saying 10 years ago that breaking into 'the big 4' as it was then was unrealistic. Now it's the 'top 6'. There is always an elite set of clubs. We should be one of them and until we actually start acting like that (Gerrard should now be gone but isn't) it will never ever change.
I'd say that's aspiration rather than expectation though, to be fair.
Aspiration is for clubs who don't expect to succeed. The point about culture is that we accept that making up the numbers is enough so long as we're 'aspiring' to succeed (like every single other also-ran). I sound like an entitled brat, but I'm bored out of my brain of watching us be so utterly mediocre. It's joyless.
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We talk often enough about biggest club in the region, capacity crowds, rich owners and the like but we always then have excuses why it's potential not reality.
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Frustratingly, Newcastle seem to have done this in a very short timeframe and without spending vast amounts, so I think it is achievable.
This hits the nail on the head for me - a decent managerial appointment of someone with a proven track record (who we could have gone for at the time) and some sensible but not outrageous spending and look at the progress they have made - we all thought they would be throwing money around willy nilly, but what they have done in less than a year makes our position by comparison even worse. Purlsow's vanity project, simple as.
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Frustratingly, Newcastle seem to have done this in a very short timeframe and without spending vast amounts, so I think it is achievable.
This hits the nail on the head for me - a decent managerial appointment of someone with a proven track record (who we could have gone for at the time) and some sensible but not outrageous spending and look at the progress they have made - we all thought they would be throwing money around willy nilly, but what they have done in less than a year makes our position by comparison even worse. Purlsow's vanity project, simple as.
This is the issue - its not impossible, we've just made poor decisions meaning we have wasted a year and undone a lot of the progress from Dean and JG time
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The decisions since Greasy left have been mainly crap and that is why we are where we are.
The bloke making those decisions is Purslow, it really is that obvious.
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The guy that Newcastle got in from Brighton Dan Ashurst? seems to do a very good job where ever he goes
We have never appointed anyone of that quality to be our DOF
There is no plan we just flip flop from young players then to experienced players there is no joined up thinking and therefore after a season or 2 it all starts to go wrong.
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Frustratingly, Newcastle seem to have done this in a very short timeframe and without spending vast amounts, so I think it is achievable.
This hits the nail on the head for me - a decent managerial appointment of someone with a proven track record (who we could have gone for at the time) and some sensible but not outrageous spending and look at the progress they have made - we all thought they would be throwing money around willy nilly, but what they have done in less than a year makes our position by comparison even worse. Purlsow's vanity project, simple as.
I may be wrong but I seem to remember that when Howe’s name was mentioned as a potential Villa coach there was a collective “noooooo!!” from most people on this thread
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
What? Who truthfully expects us to finish above all the London sides? Even if 'eventually'?
If you aim to qualify for the Champions League, you'll at least have to finish ahead of one from Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and West Ham for obvious reasons - and in reality, if Man City and Liverpool take 2 of the CL spots, which they will for the foreseeable, then you'd need to finish above at least 3 in that group ... plus Crystal Palace, Fulham, Brentford, ..
There's no way around it - if your ambitions are eventually to compete in Europe, you're going to have to finish above sides that are currently playing in Europe. Which means finishing above those London sides.
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And people were saying 10 years ago that breaking into 'the big 4' as it was then was unrealistic. Now it's the 'top 6'. There is always an elite set of clubs. We should be one of them and until we actually start acting like that (Gerrard should now be gone but isn't) it will never ever change.
I'd say that's aspiration rather than expectation though, to be fair.
Aspiration is for clubs who don't expect to succeed. The point about culture is that we accept that making up the numbers is enough so long as we're 'aspiring' to succeed (like every single other also-ran). I sound like an entitled brat, but I'm bored out of my brain of watching us be so utterly mediocre. It's joyless.
The problem is that the messages get mixed. We're fed aspirations (top 4 etc) by the marketing people but as Paulie said, we rarely follow that up with actions that inspire equivalent expectations.
Dave is correct that we have huge potential in that we have a unique name, rare colours, a rich history, reliable home & away support, are the biggest club within 100 miles in any direction and happen to be at the heart of a swathe of the country that has been starved of recent football success and is commonly neglected by the media.
We could be THE club outside of London and the Northwest, a third powerhouse except without any successful rivals in the region. But currently that is just potential, and I don't think anyone genuinely expects that - not from these players or this manager.
What I expect is for us to be a permanent fixture in the top half, challenging for Europe and the cups. But that's what we are organically, and therefore a minimum, hence 'expectation'. Anything less is underperformance.
As for anything more? That would require a change in approach and mindset for me to 'expect' it. Let's focus on living up to our actual stature to begin with, as we've done that for about five of the last 25 years.
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You probably only need to finish fifth in future seasons.
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You probably only need to finish fifth in future seasons.
This is a longstanding problem, but I hate the watering down of the European Cup.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
What? Who truthfully expects us to finish above all the London sides? Even if 'eventually'?
If you aim to qualify for the Champions League, you'll at least have to finish ahead of one from Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and West Ham for obvious reasons - and in reality, if Man City and Liverpool take 2 of the CL spots, which they will for the foreseeable, then you'd need to finish above at least 3 in that group ... plus Crystal Palace, Fulham, Brentford, ..
There's no way around it - if your ambitions are eventually to compete in Europe, you're going to have to finish above sides that are currently playing in Europe. Which means finishing above those London sides.
But it's an aim, nobody expects it. We aim to be challenging for it.
It's no wonder idiots in the media think we're delusional if they reckon we expect to be playing in the Champions League next season.
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We're no stepping stone. There's generally only one way your managerial career goes after us. Which is possibly what puts some off more than anything else who might otherwise fancy a go at it.
Said before, but that's just _the way_. Villa is a hard gig, IMO, because the expectation is that we finish above (for example) all of the London sides. Maybe not straight away, but eventually. Finishing, say, 10th/11th is never going to be good enough in B6 - except for exceptional circumstances such as second-season-back-from-the-Championship, which is a place we thankfully rarely visit. Practically every Villa supporter sees us as at least regulars in the top 6. A side who should be playing in Europe most seasons. That's the base level of expectations for most supporters, even if that's not the way the rest of the footballing world sees things.
What? Who truthfully expects us to finish above all the London sides? Even if 'eventually'?
If you aim to qualify for the Champions League, you'll at least have to finish ahead of one from Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and West Ham for obvious reasons - and in reality, if Man City and Liverpool take 2 of the CL spots, which they will for the foreseeable, then you'd need to finish above at least 3 in that group ... plus Crystal Palace, Fulham, Brentford, ..
There's no way around it - if your ambitions are eventually to compete in Europe, you're going to have to finish above sides that are currently playing in Europe. Which means finishing above those London sides.
But it's an aim, nobody expects it. We aim to be challenging for it.
It's no wonder idiots in the media think we're delusional if they reckon we expect to be playing in the Champions League next season.
I don't think we'd aim to get in to the Champions League any time soon. But the owner's stated ambition has been to do exactly that. Not this season, not next season - but at some point (I imagine within the next decade) we ought to be competing for those spots.
That's, I think, my point. OK, this season most folk will be fairly content at the end of the season if we've stood still again and finish mid table again. But then the expectation is to challenge for 7th/8th. And if we ever finish 7th/8th, then it will be to finish 5th/6th. And when we were finishing 5th/6th under O'Neill, was anyone saying that we shouldn't be trying to get in to the Champions League?
That's what I'm trying to say. Different seasons will mean different ambitions, and nobody is expecting miracles, but whoever the manager is - they'll be expected to progressively make the side better until we're (at least) playing occasional Champions League football*. We know that, because that's exactly what happened under MON.
* complete tangent ... but personally, I think that's the sweet spot. Good enough that you win a cup final every 5-10 years, good enough that you might win the league if you get super lucky ... but not so good that you're disappointed if you don't do that.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
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That's absolutely fair, Algy. I just think it's dangerous to talk about some things as being 'expectations', like we're a bunch of Man Utd fans sat there shaking our heads, talking about finishing 2nd as a crisis.
If Gerrard gets us playing better (I know, I know) and has us finishing 10th in May, I don't think there'll be too many complaining. But if you believe some of the media, we are baying animals who hound out any manager who doesn't have us in the top 4 immediately.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
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I'd have expected promotion in the first one or two seasons, survival first season up, midtable the year after that and then to challenge for Europe. So we were on or ahead of schedule but now looking like we have gone backwards from midtable to another battle at the bottom of the table.
I'm still hoping for midtable this year and to be challenging for Europe next.
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The flip-flopping on strategy is a good point - it seemed a valid plan, buying young with potential, Lange with a proven track record of that in the past, structure in place below the head coach but Purslow let that be ripped up as a plan by Gerrard.
I think Wes believed he could repeat the NBA thing quite easily with the home grown superstar - and it was certainly heading quite nicely down that track, until it all blew up and blindsided them all, and they haven't recovered yet! I think as ruthless businessmen, they now need to show that steel, tell Purslow his game is over and go out and do their damdest to get the best manager available. If there is any iota of interest from the likes of Poch or Tuchel they should be all over it like a rash and putting those wheels in motion now! And if CP doesn't like it he can trot off too!
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I'd have expected promotion in the first one or two seasons, survival first season up, midtable the year after that and then to challenge for Europe. So we were on or ahead of schedule but now looking like we have gone backwards from midtable to another battle at the bottom of the table.
I'm still hoping for midtable this year and to be challenging for Europe next.
Pretty much same as me.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
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I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies. Not this season, but as a general point of principal.
That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to. It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
I'm with Dave
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
Fair points. I can't see Wolves, West Ham or Leeds sustaining anything meaningful, and hopefully Newcastle manage to bollocks things up in their traditional way.
I'm sure it's been posted before, but how does our spending actually compare with the rest of the PL?
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I think it's fair to expect to be competitive. I don't think any Villa fan seriously expects (not hopes, different things) to be qualifying for the champions league every season by now but I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to expect to be in the top half of the table and in the picture for european palces towards the end of the season. Our wage bill supports that, our spending supports that, our plans for the ground and academy support that.
Right now everything about the club looks like we plan to compete in the league rather than just exist, except for what happens on the pitch. This thread exists because of that disconnect, all of the debate around Gerrard, the quality of the squad, the level of interest from the owners, etc exists because as fans we can see that something isn't adding up.
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https://twitter.com/exploding_heads/status/1582091490523697153?s=48&t=BxKnyVL2qqmqJxfxGAL3pw
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I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies. Not this season, but as a general point of principal.
That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to. It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club.
Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.
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I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies. Not this season, but as a general point of principal.
That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to. It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club.
Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.
I mean that's just straight up wrong. Since the premier league came in we're 7th on the count of most top 6 finishes. We've finished 6th more times than anyone else in that 30 year period. The problems have all come in the last 10 years and we all know about that but even getting back to where we were in the noughties would make us part of a 7/8 (along with Newcastle) who would be expected to battle for Europe most seasons.
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I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies. Not this season, but as a general point of principal.
That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to. It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club.
Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.
At our best we are a club that is European Champs.
Man City, Chelsea etc rarely finished top six but that did not put off their respective owners aiming for such things. Likewise Man Utd and Liverpool before the 50s/60s rarely won cups etc. There is no set-in-stone place in the pecking order - if the ambition and plan is in place to succeed, anything is possible (yes, even in this current age of cartels and oil money).
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The harsh reality is that since the heady days when we were European Champions, it’s been a downhill trend. Not much glory to talk about since then.
What we are seeing right now is why - the club says it’s ambitious but actions speak louder than words. Yes it’s possible but the probability is low.
We are like the UK in the Security Council - we still have a seat but plenty of people wonder why
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
Whilst i agree with what you say we are technically on our 3rd and 4th (if Xia was to be believed) billionaire owner and we just cannot seem to get it right.
Lerner was a rich kid with Daddies money
Xia was a chancer
But these guys, especially Edens, was not only to be richer than the others put together but also meant to be a real shrewd and pretty ruthless sports owner.
Purslow was probably brought in due to his inside knowledge of FFP but 4/5 years on we still have a pretty poor match day experience with shocking catering etc, in comparison to other prem teams pretty small time corporate sponsorships and our greatest asset of a player in a generation sold against everyones wishes whilst killing the Villa career of a very decent Manager and human being in Smith.
Its not just the manager and players that should be questioned
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Xia is as rich as me.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
I'm with Dave
It does feel like expectations are being dampened and a lot of people seem happy to go along with it.
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Xia is as rich as me.
And you've got better taste in shoes.
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The harsh reality is that since the heady days when we were European Champions, it’s been a downhill trend. Not much glory to talk about since then.
What we are seeing right now is why - the club says it’s ambitious but actions speak louder than words. Yes it’s possible but the probability is low.
We are like the UK in the Security Council - we still have a seat but plenty of people wonder why
I think the fact that we have excellent 'streamlined' military capabilities, and four Vanguard class nuclear missile submarines might be the reason for that....
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Xia is as rich as me.
And you've got better taste in shoes.
and managers
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I just want us to put a team out that we can enjoy watching. Finish 6-10th with the occasional foray up or run to cup final, and enjoy being a fan. Short of 2 brief periods, promotion run and lock down run, the last ten years have been quite torture filled.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
Whilst i agree with what you say we are technically on our 3rd and 4th (if Xia was to be believed) billionaire owner and we just cannot seem to get it right.
Lerner was a rich kid with Daddies money
Xia was a chancer
But these guys, especially Edens, was not only to be richer than the others put together but also meant to be a real shrewd and pretty ruthless sports owner.
Purslow was probably brought in due to his inside knowledge of FFP but 4/5 years on we still have a pretty poor match day experience with shocking catering etc, in comparison to other prem teams pretty small time corporate sponsorships and our greatest asset of a player in a generation sold against everyones wishes whilst killing the Villa career of a very decent Manager and human being in Smith.
Its not just the manager and players that should be questioned
Absolutely. The owners get a pass based on how much they've spent. Pro rata probably Lerner spent more and he gets pelters for it. We didn't have any realistic hope of keeping Ratboy, but we should have been better prepared for it and we definitely should have used the money better.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
Based on when, Dave? Because going from bottom half of the Championship to top 6 in the PL within four years would've taken the full Man City treatment and from a much lower starting point.
When we got the third-richest owners in the league I would have expected to at least be challenging for Europe by now. Wolves managed it, Newcastle have gone roaring past us, West Ham have gone from relegation candidates to Europe and Leeds finished higher in their first season than we have in three. Meanwhile, we're looking at beating Fulham or Brentford to save the manager's job. .
I'm with Dave
It does feel like expectations are being dampened and a lot of people seem happy to go along with it.
Same here.
We've been in this position so often before but it feels worse as everything is there for us to progress in a big way this time.
Rapidly losing my passion towards games.
I feel privileged to have had a ST for so many years but the whole thing is just feels flat and I'm seeing black and white pictures on what should be a top range 4K TV.
Sorry for the crap analogy.
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To paraphrase someone either here or on Twitter, five years in and we're still talking about a project.
Four years, isn't it? And we'll have an FA Cup title by next May. Mission/Project accomplished!
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I just want us to put a team out that we can enjoy watching. Finish 6-10th with the occasional foray up or run to cup final, and enjoy being a fan. Short of 2 brief periods, promotion run and lock down run, the last ten years have been quite torture filled.
Nah. I want more. I see no reason why we can't compete with Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea.
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I just want us to put a team out that we can enjoy watching. Finish 6-10th with the occasional foray up or run to cup final, and enjoy being a fan. Short of 2 brief periods, promotion run and lock down run, the last ten years have been quite torture filled.
Nah. I want more. I see no reason why we can't compete with Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea.
Same here. 10th-7th is a good managerial appointment away. Add another £200m or so in transfer fees and the rest is also quite possible. The trouble is, you won't get the former without being able to offer the latter.
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Xia is as rich as me.
Possibly but at the time it was stated he was the real deal (even with shit shoes)
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I’m retired so I have too much time on my hands
In the last 100 years we have been in the top flight for 80 seasons and 2nd/3rd tier for 15 (5 years lost during WW2)
We have won:-
2 league titles (top flight only)
1 European Cup
1 F A Cup
5 League Cups
At the start of each season, my expectations (positive ones) are now zero.
My only hope is that we manage to cobble together 38/40 points by the time we reach 2 to 3 games from the end of the season.
And yet each season I still hang on in there - another year older but not wiser
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
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But I agree with you about class
No one can ever take that away from us
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
Quite, that's why we need to stop accepting mediocrity. Start by sacking the useless manager and getting somebody amazing in.
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
Quite, that's why we need to stop accepting mediocrity. Start by sacking the useless manager and getting somebody amazing in.
Mr Blunden?
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Personally, I don't think there's even a 1% chance that Poch lands here. While I believe it would be a decent fit, I can't see him chomping at the bit to join (what looks to be from the outside) a relegation fight.
I'm more worried about the lack of investment from here on out, considering how much we've spent already in the transfer market. Clubs are going to start circling around Ramsey, Cash, Ollie and Martinez to try and pry them away from a failed rebuild/retooling project and entice them with European football. There is no loyalty in this game, and I'm unsure as to why we are awarding it to Gerrard.
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
Quite, that's why we need to stop accepting mediocrity. Start by sacking the useless manager and getting somebody amazing in.
This.
I've just explained all of that to my wife and she agrees with you, mate.
I'm sat here in a 49ers jersey, on my 7th beer, ranting away.
I demand escaping the reek of mediocrity that surrounds the Villa.
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
And two losing league cup finals. The past 22 years have been barren for us but have still included four cup finals, four or five European qualifications, at least 4 top six finishes. And we think it's been a period of doldrums.
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4 trophy chances in the last 25 years - (2 FA Cup, 2 League Cup finals) - outside the "big 6" I'd guess only Leicester would come close to that?
We do spend money (badly), in the last 10 years we are one of the top 10 spenders in world football. We were a second division team 4 seasons ago - that is a lifetime in football.
No matter what way it's looked at we are massively under-achieving - nobody should be wiping the floor with us and it is down to our own poor decision-making as a club that we are bumbling around the bottom 6 with a poor rookie manager in charge.
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I remember a few years ago listening in to a Radio Five Live phone in. An Arsenal fan phoned in complaining about their lack of recent trophies, Wenger not playing good football, poor European performances, not liking the Emirates...a proper moanfest.
10mins later a fella phoned in replying to Arsenal 'fan' and challenging him to try supporting Hartlepool.
Food for thought.
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I remember a few years ago listening in to a Radio Five Live phone in. An Arsenal fan phoned in complaining about their lack of recent trophies, Wenger not playing good football, poor European performances, not liking the Emirates...a proper moanfest.
10mins later a fella phoned in replying to Arsenal 'fan' and challenging him to try supporting Hartlepool.
Food for thought.
Its a fair point indeed but if that Hartlepool fan was in the situation we're in I'm pretty sure he'd have the same issues as us Villa fans.
Its a first world problem let's face it but I'd say we should be much further on in the progression stakes.
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I remember a few years ago listening in to a Radio Five Live phone in. An Arsenal fan phoned in complaining about their lack of recent trophies, Wenger not playing good football, poor European performances, not liking the Emirates...a proper moanfest.
10mins later a fella phoned in replying to Arsenal 'fan' and challenging him to try supporting Hartlepool.
Food for thought.
Its a fair point indeed but if that Hartlepool fan was in the situation we're in I'm pretty sure he'd have the same issues as us Villa fans.
Its a first world problem let's face it but I'd say we should be much further on in the progression stakes.
Challenging for trophies would be great.. but I would settle for some 6-12th place stability for three years beforehand.
Our play is poor, our recruitment is proving to be poor, our leadership and management is poor.. but the support is fantastic.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
I kind of did. I am too used to things Villa trying simply never going right. Getting billionaire owners *and* being successful is something other clubs do, not Villa. Having a state of the art training ground *and* improving our players is somethibg other clubs do, not Villa. And so on.
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It's important to remember - and I've got experience of this as do many others on here I'm sure - that you follow different clubs for different reasons. Aston Villa isn't a town club, it's not even a city club - it's the biggest club in a region with more people than Scotland. It's natural for it to have expectations commensurate with that position.
Hartlepool is a town club that locals will follow for that communal sense, precisely because it's small and tight-knit, and it doesn't matter if they win or not. I'm from Cambridge, I know what that's like: obviously any actual success for Cambridge or Hartlepool would go into the annals of history, but that's not the point. Villa, Everton, Spurs, let alone Arsenal or Man United, they don't deserve success just for existing or anything but it's completely normal that they have different levels of expectation.
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If it's guarantees that Poch, or Tuchel, want then I don't see why we can't give them to him. What's the point in having absolutely minted owners if they can't or won't step up at a crucial moment? The difference between getting a Poch and getting someone like, say, Frank is massive and could set us on a whole new path. It sounds melodramatic but I think this next appointment (assuming they sack Gerrard, and even that doesn't appear to be something they'll do lightly) is perhaps the most crucial in terms of the club's future that we've faced for decades.
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But in my lifetime Villa have won
1 league title (top flight only)
1 European Cup
4 League Cups
1 UEFA Super Cup
In addition we haveplayed in 2 FA cup finals and 3 further league cup finals.
We have finished in the top six 13 times.
There are clubs who would kill for that record. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
And in the last 25 years?
2 losing FA Cup finals
Quite, that's why we need to stop accepting mediocrity. Start by sacking the useless manager and getting somebody amazing in.
This.
I've just explained all of that to my wife and she agrees with you, mate.
I'm sat here in a 49ers jersey, on my 7th beer, ranting away.
I demand escaping the reek of mediocrity that surrounds the Villa.
Villa, 49ers, GNR, Video Game obsession and a taste for a good beer session. It's like looking in a mirror :-)
On the Villa mediocrity of the past 25 years, sorry to split hairs but we did have 2 League Cup final defeats as well, don't forget those!
We're the biggest, best supported club in the whole of the midlands area, a very large geographical area, we're also the most successful. We're one of 5 English clubs to win the European Cup, we're also 5th in the overall table of top flight points ever, and we were one of the founders. It's quite remarkable really how we under achieve so badly, especially in the last 10 years. On top of those points we now have very wealthy owners. The only reason that it would be difficult to realise our potential now is because the competition is so fierce, but there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to attract better than a rookie manager and have a team that can play some open attacking and entertaining football, brushing aside the Leeds's and the Forests away and pushing for European football once again. If Leicester can win a League and FA Cup and West Ham and Wolves can get into Europe i'm damn sure we can.
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Sorry to labour the point, but I didn't expect by now to be content with mid-table.
I kind of did. I am too used to things Villa trying simply never going right. Getting billionaire owners *and* being successful is something other clubs do, not Villa. Having a state of the art training ground *and* improving our players is somethibg other clubs do, not Villa. And so on.
I think the thing is, people want to feel like things are going in the right direction.
CP - fabled continual improvement. That is a sensible mantra for us and I think most fans would bite your hand off.
The problem is, we haven't had continual improvements. We have had a few months in the last decade - and there is very little to suggest that will change until we start making better decisions.
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It's important to remember - and I've got experience of this as do many others on here I'm sure - that you follow different clubs for different reasons. Aston Villa isn't a town club, it's not even a city club - it's the biggest club in a region with more people than Scotland. It's natural for it to have expectations commensurate with that position.
Tim Vickery, on radio earlier, said just about the same when asked if Pochettino would take the Villa job. He said this is about working in Birmingham, a massive football hub and a chance to put a big club back on on the footballing map Poch would love that after the chaos of PSG.
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I remember a few years ago listening in to a Radio Five Live phone in. An Arsenal fan phoned in complaining about their lack of recent trophies, Wenger not playing good football, poor European performances, not liking the Emirates...a proper moanfest.
10mins later a fella phoned in replying to Arsenal 'fan' and challenging him to try supporting Hartlepool.
Food for thought.
Yeah, Even Harrogate Town - 10 games without a win - beat Hartlepool last weekend
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Tim Vickery, on radio earlier ... said this is about working in Birmingham, a massive football hub and a chance to put a big club back on on the footballing map Poch would love that after the chaos of PSG.
This is the sort of thing that apparently drew Bielsa to Leeds, a move which caused much eyebrow-raising amongst all fans and commentators. Sometimes, top managers are drawn to the challenge and the scale of what's in front of them: Pochettino is not seeking to impress other potential employers or needing to parade his expertise - it's all already there for people to see. His pulse would be quickening at the thought of raising a behemoth into a new sphere, one to which it belongs.
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Personally, I don't think there's even a 1% chance that Poch lands here. While I believe it would be a decent fit, I can't see him chomping at the bit to join (what looks to be from the outside) a relegation fight.
I'm more worried about the lack of investment from here on out, considering how much we've spent already in the transfer market. Clubs are going to start circling around Ramsey, Cash, Ollie and Martinez to try and pry them away from a failed rebuild/retooling project and entice them with European football. There is no loyalty in this game, and I'm unsure as to why we are awarding it to Gerrard.
We would not miss 3 of them that badly.
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Personally, I don't think there's even a 1% chance that Poch lands here. While I believe it would be a decent fit, I can't see him chomping at the bit to join (what looks to be from the outside) a relegation fight.
I'm more worried about the lack of investment from here on out, considering how much we've spent already in the transfer market. Clubs are going to start circling around Ramsey, Cash, Ollie and Martinez to try and pry them away from a failed rebuild/retooling project and entice them with European football. There is no loyalty in this game, and I'm unsure as to why we are awarding it to Gerrard.
We would not miss 3 of them that badly.
Recruitment is our achilles heel and sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
We can't afford to lose three of them, that's insane.
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I honestly believe Pochettino would be ideal for us. The way he sets his teams up and he's shown that he will give young players a chance to develop in the first team. With the owner's investment in youth and it being a big part of our strategy, he would be an ideal fit. Gerrard, on the other hand, has shown a reluctance to give many of our younger players a chance. Dean Smith had already brought Ramsey (J) through and had taken his chance when Gerrard arrived. He's not allowed Archer to go out on loan and then not used him. Then had a dig at a journalist over it.
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I see so many parallels with the Villa when watching 'Welcome to Wrexham'. Obviously we're at different levels within the pyramid but facing many of the same challenges.
Poch is the man, pay him whatever it takes to get him through the door and support him as needed in the transfer market. We have to get somebody of that level, and quickly.
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If it's guarantees that Poch, or Tuchel, want then I don't see why we can't give them to him. What's the point in having absolutely minted owners if they can't or won't step up at a crucial moment? The difference between getting a Poch and getting someone like, say, Frank is massive and could set us on a whole new path. It sounds melodramatic but I think this next appointment (assuming they sack Gerrard, and even that doesn't appear to be something they'll do lightly) is perhaps the most crucial in terms of the club's future that we've faced for decades.
Yes, I agree. The club is at a massive crossroads.
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I see so many parallels with the Villa when watching 'Welcome to Wrexham'. Obviously we're at different levels within the pyramid but facing many of the same challenges.
Poch is the man, pay him whatever it takes to get him through the door and support him as needed in the transfer market. We have to get somebody of that level, and quickly.
I guess you want Tom Hanks to buy us too, just to Wrexham us up further.
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If it's guarantees that Poch, or Tuchel, want then I don't see why we can't give them to him. What's the point in having absolutely minted owners if they can't or won't step up at a crucial moment? The difference between getting a Poch and getting someone like, say, Frank is massive and could set us on a whole new path. It sounds melodramatic but I think this next appointment (assuming they sack Gerrard, and even that doesn't appear to be something they'll do lightly) is perhaps the most crucial in terms of the club's future that we've faced for decades.
Yes, I agree. The club is at a massive crossroads.
I agree, too.
Our problem is that every time we find ourselves at a crossroads, we take what we think is the right turning, only to find another crossroads.
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Our problem is that every time we find ourselves at a crossroads, we take what we think is the right turning, only to find another crossroads.
Milton Keynes?
It's worse than I thought.
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Our problem is that every time we find ourselves at a crossroads, we take what we think is the right turning, only to find another crossroads.
Milton Keynes?
Well, we were once sponsored by COWS.
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I expect us as a club to be top 6 and challenging for trophies. Not this season, but as a general point of principal.
That is where Villia sit in the hieracrchy and where I expect us to get back to. It's become harder with the emergence of the likes of Man City and now Newcastle, but it doesn't really change how I see Aston Villa and what I expect from the club.
Based on what tho , weve won very little over the last 100 years , very rarely finished in the top 6 certainly havnt finished in the top 6 with any consistency.
We are a top 10 club at best, top 10 with the capability to step up to top 4-6.
Just done some totting up from mid 80s.
We've finished in the top 6 on ten seperate occasions since 89/90 season.
In same timeframe we have:
Everton with eight top 10 finishes.
Newcastle with eight aswell
West Ham with two.
Leeds with nine top 6 finishes.
So we're still ahead of that cluster of clubs despite being in decline since 2010.
It's very hard to break into the next group though unless so much comes together with manager and squad. Think back to 18 months back, we were comfortably ahead of Arsenal in the league and neck and neck with Spurs. Didn't take our chance, lost Grealish and now we're miles off both again.
Big issue this season is the likes of Wolves and Leicester have been top half fixtures last 4 years, both will be battling relegation. West Ham not quite as good as last few years aswell and Brighton are going to fall down the league so we really should be in the mix for 8th, extreme negligence from above if that dosen't become a realistic target at any point this season.
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It's important to remember - and I've got experience of this as do many others on here I'm sure - that you follow different clubs for different reasons. Aston Villa isn't a town club, it's not even a city club - it's the biggest club in a region with more people than Scotland. It's natural for it to have expectations commensurate with that position.
Tim Vickery, on radio earlier, said just about the same when asked if Pochettino would take the Villa job. He said this is about working in Birmingham, a massive football hub and a chance to put a big club back on on the footballing map Poch would love that after the chaos of PSG.
There wouldn't be massive immediate pressure either, compared to say Nuno at Spurs. I don't think it would take a massive turnaround either to get us moving in the right direction.
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Just done some totting up from mid 80s.
We've finished in the top 6 on ten seperate occasions since 89/90 season.
In same timeframe we have:
Everton with eight top 10 finishes.
Newcastle with eight aswell
West Ham with two.
Leeds with nine top 6 finishes.
So we're still ahead of that cluster of clubs despite being in decline since 2010.
But what does this mean or prove? All of those apart from Everton have has longer outside the top flight then us in that timeframe but are arguably ahead of us now.
If Poch comes to us, it’s because we’ll pay him well and not because we finished 4th in 95/96.
I’m afraid we have to sell the ambition and not the history, otherwise they’ll all be clambering to be Huddersfield’s or Sunderland’s manager.
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How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
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How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
1.
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How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
1.
And then John Terry when Beale turns us down.
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Our problem is that every time we find ourselves at a crossroads, we take what we think is the right turning, only to find another crossroads.
Milton Keynes?
It's worse than I thought.
Not many crossroads in Milton Keynes mate it’s all roundabouts, Probably just as appropriate though
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How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
1.
And then John Terry when Beale turns us down.
Wouldn't shock me.
Our owners have the ability and means to get Poch no doubt. I just don't know if they have the fire for it anymore. Beale would be a cheap alternative known to the players and half the staff might not need paying off.
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How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
1.
And then John Terry when Beale turns us down.
Wouldn't shock me.
Our owners have the ability and means to get Poch no doubt. I just don't know if they have the fire for it anymore. Beale would be a cheap alternative known to the players and half the staff might not need paying off.
How many do we sound out before we appoint Beale?
1.
And then John Terry when Beale turns us down.
Wouldn't shock me.
Our owners have the ability and means to get Poch no doubt.
We really don’t know that, he could have turned us down already
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If it's guarantees that Poch, or Tuchel, want then I don't see why we can't give them to him. What's the point in having absolutely minted owners if they can't or won't step up at a crucial moment? The difference between getting a Poch and getting someone like, say, Frank is massive and could set us on a whole new path. It sounds melodramatic but I think this next appointment (assuming they sack Gerrard, and even that doesn't appear to be something they'll do lightly) is perhaps the most crucial in terms of the club's future that we've faced for decades.
Yes, I agree. The club is at a massive crossroads.
I agree, too.
Our problem is that every time we find ourselves at a crossroads, we take what we think is the right turning, only to find another crossroads.
The problem is, its the judgement in the turns we take. Did anyone seriously think that there wasn't a very high chance that SG appointment would end up like this
I think a lot of people called it at the time - the wrong appointment for the wrong reasons
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We should be as attractive a proposition as any given the foundation, history, money and support we have.
We may be sitting 16th but that's because we have a shit manager. The wage bill is 7th highest in the league. The players are good enough.
The issue comes when our form is crap that as supporters we start questioning everything and everyone. Each player gets criticism, the manager, the CEO and even the owners.
Turn 2 of our defeats into wins and were 7th, much closer to where we feel we should be.
I think the owners have still invested in the playing side (see wage bill in comparison to where we have finished). The CEO has made a dodgy call on the manager and I guess wants to give him a chance. Chnage now (or imminently) and we can still fly up the table with some decent results. We'll all be happier then and the criticism and shit feeling we have will all go away.
I still believe.
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It will be really interesting to see if we can appoint an elite manager.
That would be a massive statement of intent by the owners.
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The problem is, its the judgement in the turns we take. Did anyone seriously think that there wasn't a very high chance that SG appointment would end up like this
I think a lot of people called it at the time - the wrong appointment for the wrong reasons
This got me thinking: as a fanbase has a managerial appointment ever surprised us? When has it been much different to what we expected?
O'Neill - Very excited and proved to work out really well until the abrupt end
Houllier - I can't really remember the reaction, but I think there were concerns about his age and how committed he would be? I may be misremembering
McLeish - Dour and uninspiring. I think the only major shock was how it never got personal with him and how long it took for us to get fed up with the football
Lambert - This was probably the closest one to the fans getting it wrong. We wanted him so much his name was being chanted while he was employed by our opponents, but it didn't work out. There was that time at the end of his first season/start of his second where it briefly looked like we were going to get the exciting, attacking football that we wanted, but for whatever reason, it disappeared pretty much overnight and it became very boring.
Sherwood - He came with the name Tactics Tim for a reason. While I think we all got swept up in the little spell around the cup run, he was never seen as a great manager by the fans, I don't think. Again, I can't really remember the reaction tp his appointment there, I think we were all so relieved to have got rid of Lambert.
Garde - I know I got this one wrong, because I was excited. But I think I was in the minority. He ended up doing a very difficult job badly.
Di Matteo - I was in the 'anyone other than Pearson' camp, but I think the general consensus was that it was a pretty uninspiring appointment. His appointment was a little overshadowed by the takeover, as far as I can remember.
Bruce - "it could be worse I guess" seemed to be the general reaction. Not inspiring at all, but could work out in the short term. That pretty much sums up what happened.
Smith - Again, I think we were generally quite excited. Someone that we could really get behind and would try to play attacking football, which we were crying out for.
Gerrard - A lot of us were worried abut his inexperience, his overreliance on Beale, his Liverpool connection/stepping stone, the fact that he hadn't been that successful at Rangers. He was a long way down people's list of managers, and in a Yes or No vote, it was a pretty convincing No.
Now, I'm not saying that the club should take a vote on who the next manager should be (we'd end up with Ashley Young), but I am suggesting that this site always knows exactly how things are going to pan out and we should be part of the interviewing process.
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When we appointed Gerrard part of the reason given was to raise our profile and his appointment would attract top players to the club
Therefore if they sack Gerrard, then the next manager would have to have a similar high profile within the game, so I think if that is the case we can then rule out the likes of Beale, Dyche etc..
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It's been a while since I have grown to dislike a manager as much as I now dislike SG. Every day he is in post he sucks the life out of things.
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When we appointed Gerrard part of the reason given was to raise our profile and his appointment would attract top players to the club
Therefore if they sack Gerrard, then the next manager would have to have a similar high profile within the game, so I think if that is the case we can then rule out the likes of Beale, Dyche etc..
I think we can rule out the likes of Beale, Dyche etc anyway. I just can't see any prospect of the owners making that sort of appointment.
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The problem is, its the judgement in the turns we take. Did anyone seriously think that there wasn't a very high chance that SG appointment would end up like this
I think a lot of people called it at the time - the wrong appointment for the wrong reasons
This got me thinking: as a fanbase has a managerial appointment ever surprised us? When has it been much different to what we expected?
O'Neill - Very excited and proved to work out really well until the abrupt end
Houllier - I can't really remember the reaction, but I think there were concerns about his age and how committed he would be? I may be misremembering
McLeish - Dour and uninspiring. I think the only major shock was how it never got personal with him and how long it took for us to get fed up with the football
Lambert - This was probably the closest one to the fans getting it wrong. We wanted him so much his name was being chanted while he was employed by our opponents, but it didn't work out. There was that time at the end of his first season/start of his second where it briefly looked like we were going to get the exciting, attacking football that we wanted, but for whatever reason, it disappeared pretty much overnight and it became very boring.
Sherwood - He came with the name Tactics Tim for a reason. While I think we all got swept up in the little spell around the cup run, he was never seen as a great manager by the fans, I don't think. Again, I can't really remember the reaction tp his appointment there, I think we were all so relieved to have got rid of Lambert.
Garde - I know I got this one wrong, because I was excited. But I think I was in the minority. He ended up doing a very difficult job badly.
Di Matteo - I was in the 'anyone other than Pearson' camp, but I think the general consensus was that it was a pretty uninspiring appointment. His appointment was a little overshadowed by the takeover, as far as I can remember.
Bruce - "it could be worse I guess" seemed to be the general reaction. Not inspiring at all, but could work out in the short term. That pretty much sums up what happened.
Smith - Again, I think we were generally quite excited. Someone that we could really get behind and would try to play attacking football, which we were crying out for.
Gerrard - A lot of us were worried abut his inexperience, his overreliance on Beale, his Liverpool connection/stepping stone, the fact that he hadn't been that successful at Rangers. He was a long way down people's list of managers, and in a Yes or No vote, it was a pretty convincing No.
Now, I'm not saying that the club should take a vote on who the next manager should be (we'd end up with Ashley Young), but I am suggesting that this site always knows exactly how things are going to pan out and we should be part of the interviewing process.
From what I can recall
O'Neill - General excitement but I do recall a certain fanzine editor saying something along the lines of "he'll get top 6 but no higher"
Houllier general feeling of "is that the best we can do?" along with some mutterings about his health.
McLeish & Lambert spot on
Sherwood The initial relief that Lambert had gone was completely washed away by his appointment, especially after Fox's "shortlist of one" comment. Several on here called the trajectory of his stay almost to the week. The only upside being the Liverpool semifinal performance.
Garde was proof we'd given up for many.
De Matteo and Bruce I can't comment as I wasn't paying attention.
Smith & Gerrard I think you've got right.
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My feeling with Houllier was that it would have been a great appointment ten years earlier. Hiring a guy with a serious health issue was concerning, high risk and, potentially, very short term. I started doubting Lerner and his "nous" from that moment on.
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The problem is, its the judgement in the turns we take. Did anyone seriously think that there wasn't a very high chance that SG appointment would end up like this
I think a lot of people called it at the time - the wrong appointment for the wrong reasons
This got me thinking: as a fanbase has a managerial appointment ever surprised us? When has it been much different to what we expected?
O'Neill - Very excited and proved to work out really well until the abrupt end
Houllier - I can't really remember the reaction, but I think there were concerns about his age and how committed he would be? I may be misremembering
McLeish - Dour and uninspiring. I think the only major shock was how it never got personal with him and how long it took for us to get fed up with the football
Lambert - This was probably the closest one to the fans getting it wrong. We wanted him so much his name was being chanted while he was employed by our opponents, but it didn't work out. There was that time at the end of his first season/start of his second where it briefly looked like we were going to get the exciting, attacking football that we wanted, but for whatever reason, it disappeared pretty much overnight and it became very boring.
Sherwood - He came with the name Tactics Tim for a reason. While I think we all got swept up in the little spell around the cup run, he was never seen as a great manager by the fans, I don't think. Again, I can't really remember the reaction tp his appointment there, I think we were all so relieved to have got rid of Lambert.
Garde - I know I got this one wrong, because I was excited. But I think I was in the minority. He ended up doing a very difficult job badly.
Di Matteo - I was in the 'anyone other than Pearson' camp, but I think the general consensus was that it was a pretty uninspiring appointment. His appointment was a little overshadowed by the takeover, as far as I can remember.
Bruce - "it could be worse I guess" seemed to be the general reaction. Not inspiring at all, but could work out in the short term. That pretty much sums up what happened.
Smith - Again, I think we were generally quite excited. Someone that we could really get behind and would try to play attacking football, which we were crying out for.
Gerrard - A lot of us were worried abut his inexperience, his overreliance on Beale, his Liverpool connection/stepping stone, the fact that he hadn't been that successful at Rangers. He was a long way down people's list of managers, and in a Yes or No vote, it was a pretty convincing No.
Now, I'm not saying that the club should take a vote on who the next manager should be (we'd end up with Ashley Young), but I am suggesting that this site always knows exactly how things are going to pan out and we should be part of the interviewing process.
Pretty much sums up how I felt with all the managers of last 15 years.
I was excited by David O’Leary. D’oh!
Remember when Lerner flew his chopper to meet Solskjaer?
What’s he up to these days?
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My feeling with Houllier was that it would have been a great appointment ten years earlier. Hiring a guy with a serious health issue was concerning, high risk and, potentially, very short term. I started doubting Lerner and his "nous" from that moment on.
Yep. He'd done a good job managing Lyon after Liverpool but he left them in 2007 I think. Was semi retired at French FA when we got him.
Imagine if we dug Roy Hodgson out of retirement, that would be Houllier style appointment these days.
Considering we'd just finished 6th three times on the trot and still had many talented players in our squad I was very disappointed with that appointment and that was first serious doubts about long term Lerner strategy which imploded soon after.
After that and the McLeish fiasco we've just taken punts on managers really, at least DS can off and more than fulfilled his brief.
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Have you seen more half-hearted and dispirited body language?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1582390665627176960?t=FEqGkC1oF8JhPjtGAuHtvg&s=19
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I do remember being excited with MON, DOL and Lambert. I have fond memories with MON as well even though it all ended up a right mess.
When Gerard rocked up and a few mentioned the coaching abilities of Beale I remember thinking we shouldn’t be more excited about his backroom team than the manager.
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Managerial appointments since i've been a fan;
Name - Reaction - Reality
Venglos - Who? - Obscure and not a good fit for our game.
Big Ron - Hell Yeah - Great appointment but seem to lose interest when he knew he'd have to rebuild *
Little - Exciting, logical choice - Very good also but made a couple of bad record signings.
Gregory - Why? - Turned out a lot better than i thought but the football was uninspiring
SGT - Exciting but is he past it? - Turned out he was
DOL - Not impressed - Turned out better than i thought to start with but didn't last
MON - Hell yeah - Got us to where i thought he would but seemed to run out of ideas. Good overall *
Houllier - Bit of a panic, could have been worse - Worse than i thought but was in bad health.
McLeish - WTF - Turned out as bad as expected
Lambert - Similar to Little but without the Villa connection - Big Disappointment
Sherwood - Err, not much experience for starters - Turned out really poor after decent start
Garde - Why? - Possibly the worst of the lot
De Matteo - See Sherwood - Very mediocre and taking us no where
Bruce - Better than the last few - Boring football but ok otherwise until last few months
Smith - See Little (but for the championship) - Great appointment at the time but needed to upgrade
Gerrard - No relevant experience, probably a mistake - It has been a mistake.
Pochetinho?? - Hell Yeah *
I've starred the ones that gave / give real confidence in improving us dramatically.
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Have you seen more half-hearted and dispirited body language?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1582390665627176960?t=FEqGkC1oF8JhPjtGAuHtvg&s=19
I doubt they'll be signing you up for the next series of 'Faking It: Tears of a Crime'.
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Great debate.
That’s our captain on the video at the beginning! Half arsed
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Just think, they've consciously decided that footage is the best they've got. God knows what the rest of the session looked like :o
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Konsa looks erm... Motivated?
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Konsa not even bothering to step over the thing, just swinging his leg round the side with a face like a smacked arse. I think that sums up how the majority of us feel.
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
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Managerial appointments since i've been a fan;
Name - Reaction - Reality
Venglos - Who? - Obscure and not a good fit for our game.
Big Ron - Hell Yeah - Great appointment but seem to lose interest when he knew he'd have to rebuild *
Little - Exciting, logical choice - Very good also but made a couple of bad record signings.
Gregory - Why? - Turned out a lot better than i thought but the football was uninspiring
SGT - Exciting but is he past it? - Turned out he was
DOL - Not impressed - Turned out better than i thought to start with but didn't last
MON - Hell yeah - Got us to where i thought he would but seemed to run out of ideas. Good overall *
Houllier - Bit of a panic, could have been worse - Worse than i thought but was in bad health.
McLeish - WTF - Turned out as bad as expected
Lambert - Similar to Little but without the Villa connection - Big Disappointment
Sherwood - Err, not much experience for starters - Turned out really poor after decent start
Garde - Why? - Possibly the worst of the lot
De Matteo - See Sherwood - Very mediocre and taking us no where
Bruce - Better than the last few - Boring football but ok otherwise until last few months
Smith - See Little (but for the championship) - Great appointment at the time but needed to upgrade
Gerrard - No relevant experience, probably a mistake - It has been a mistake.
Pochetinho?? - Hell Yeah *
I've starred the ones that gave / give real confidence in improving us dramatically.
I agree with most of this:
Good ones: Atkinson, Little, O'Neill (notwithstanding what happened at the end)
Exceeded expectations: Smith, Gregory
About par for the course: O'Leary, McLeish, Bruce (we did actually play some good football with a lot of goals and points in 2017-18)
Below par (although below par is good in golf!) - Taylor (mark 2), McLeish, Houllier, Sherwood, Di Matteo, Gerrard
Poor: Venglos, Lambert (the fans misguided choice as it turned out and stayed too long)
Worse: Garde
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
That seems a bit of a punt after less than three months as a no 1
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
That seems a bit of a punt after less than three months as a no 1
And a smack in the face to QPR as he was apprently one of their own!
Maybe he will be looking to take SG as his number 2!!
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
That seems a bit of a punt after less than three months as a no 1
Would be his 4th job in 12 months, bloody hell.
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I would say this after all their shit for finishing mid table and above us the last few years, but Beale stinks of “ can’t get anyone decent “ to me.
We were awful from Jan onwards with him as coach. Hopefully agent Beale takes them down.
They score less than we do , it’ stands a chance
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3 appointments in my Villa supporting life that seemed absolutely right at the time were:
1. SGT Mk1 - we were in dire need of his overall (on & off the field) managerial skills
2. O'Neill - he had a track record that implied he could could moves us onwards and upwards
3. Deano - after the dismal seasons that preceded him - to have him alongside Jack created a massive positive lift in villa 'togetherness' and a unified fight for promotion and staying there
The rest of the appointments were either let's see what happens (eg Saunders) or downright disasters from the start (Mcleish, Di matteo, Garde, Bruce, Gerrard)
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Have you seen more half-hearted and dispirited body language?
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1582390665627176960?t=FEqGkC1oF8JhPjtGAuHtvg&s=19
wow - so much for training with the intensity of matchday. no wonder we always look so off the pace and our running numbers are always poor
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One things for sure, it's going to be a very interesting watch to see how he goes.
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3 appointments in my Villa supporting life that seemed absolutely right at the time were:
1. SGT Mk1 - we were in dire need of his overall (on & off the field) managerial skills
2. O'Neill - he had a track record that implied he could could moves us onwards and upwards
3. Deano - after the dismal seasons that preceded him - to have him alongside Jack created a massive positive lift in villa 'togetherness' and a unified fight for promotion and staying there
The rest of the appointments were either let's see what happens (eg Saunders) or downright disasters from the start (Mcleish, Di matteo, Garde, Bruce, Gerrard)
Ron Atkinson was absolutely the right man at the right time, to me as a 14 year old at the time and in retrospect.
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My memory of him was wondering if he was a bit passed it - possibly had faded from his WBA heyday - so have him the maybe category in my head
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My memory of him was wondering if he was a bit passed it - possibly had faded from his WBA heyday - so have him the maybe category in my head
He'd rejuvenated himself with the Wednesday job and was still box office, the scandal at him dumping them for us only made it feel more significant.
Oh to have someone with his ability to spend the record fee recieved for your best player that the whole team was built around, and make a better one.
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3 appointments in my Villa supporting life that seemed absolutely right at the time were:
1. SGT Mk1 - we were in dire need of his overall (on & off the field) managerial skills
2. O'Neill - he had a track record that implied he could could moves us onwards and upwards
3. Deano - after the dismal seasons that preceded him - to have him alongside Jack created a massive positive lift in villa 'togetherness' and a unified fight for promotion and staying there
The rest of the appointments were either let's see what happens (eg Saunders) or downright disasters from the start (Mcleish, Di matteo, Garde, Bruce, Gerrard)
Ron Atkinson was absolutely the right man at the right time, to me as a 14 year old at the time and in retrospect.
Big Ron was perfect at the time. Loved that attitude and personality he brought to the job. Little was the right man to succeed him too. Both were good appointments.
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He was the best one for me also, one of the biggest names in the British game at the time with a good track record and as pointed out he had the whole larger than life persona and played very attractive football as well. One that you knew would get some big name players in too.
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3 appointments in my Villa supporting life that seemed absolutely right at the time were:
1. SGT Mk1 - we were in dire need of his overall (on & off the field) managerial skills
2. O'Neill - he had a track record that implied he could could moves us onwards and upwards
3. Deano - after the dismal seasons that preceded him - to have him alongside Jack created a massive positive lift in villa 'togetherness' and a unified fight for promotion and staying there
The rest of the appointments were either let's see what happens (eg Saunders) or downright disasters from the start (Mcleish, Di matteo, Garde, Bruce, Gerrard)
I guess to be fair to Nan's Hair, that getting to a play off final was at least half decent.
I think it shows is that regardless of who the manager is, if you don't support them, they don't stand a chance.
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Poch would be a big yes from me. Him aside, who is out there who could really raise this side up? You've got tried and tested managers, but there aren't many out of work.
Do you then look for the progressive British manager, the next Potter? Gerrard was supposed to be that.
Do you look for the tactically progressive foreign coach? Poch is one of the better examples, but you look at the guy at Brentford, Southampton, some of the managers who've gone from Wolves lately (Lars and Santo), and the results are mixed (Frank I like, but I don't know if he's got enough to raise a club like this). We tried that with Garde and it failed dismally.
Poch represents the modern, progressive manager, who also has a track record and who is also available. He ticks every box. For me it's him, or stick with Gerrard for the time being. As important as the manager, is his backroom staff. Our coaching staff for the most part, are not fit for purpose. I'm not convinced Gary Mac isn't 10 years out of date. McPhee has been mostly useless. It's only Cutler that seems to be cutting the mustard.
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Do you then look for the progressive British manager, the next Potter? Gerrard was supposed to be that.
Was he?! Slightly different trajectory to their careers. One took a 4th division side into the top flight and Europe, proved himself in the Championship and then turned Brighton from a team of Burnley-lite plodders under Hughton into a stylish, comfortable PL side. He is now of course doing well towards the top of the PL and in the CL. Everything he has, he's earned, from the bottom up.
The other won fewer trophies than St Johnstone at the second-biggest club in Scotland and is visibly failing in the PL. How did he get these jobs? Well, he didn't earn them.
I can't see that they have much in common at all.
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
On the basis of a few months in charge of QPR...he could be the next coming of Klopp but that seems a ridiculous gamble.
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The other won fewer trophies than St Johnstone at the second-biggest club in Scotland and is visibly failing in the PL. How did he get these jobs? Well, he didn't earn them.
But...but why do you ignore his charisma, his pedigree, his pulling power? Just think and shudder that there is no way we would have signed the once second most expensive footballer in the world if he wasn't our manager.
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Beale close to going to Wolves according to Ornstein at the athletic
On the basis of a few months in charge of QPR...he could be the next coming of Klopp but that seems a ridiculous gamble.
Yeah it's a strange one. I woulnd't be massively surprised if he does well there - he's always been highly regarded, but it's a big gamble and not one I'd be wanting us to take.
It does show though, we invested in a package and losing Beale so early was probably a biger blow than many thought it would be. Maybe we were a bit naive hiring a manager who was openly so reliant on his coach for tactics.
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Do you then look for the progressive British manager, the next Potter? Gerrard was supposed to be that.
Was he?! Slightly different trajectory to their careers. One took a 4th division side into the top flight and Europe, proved himself in the Championship and then turned Brighton from a team of Burnley-lite plodders under Hughton into a stylish, comfortable PL side. He is now of course doing well towards the top of the PL and in the CL. Everything he has, he's earned, from the bottom up.
The other won fewer trophies than St Johnstone at the second-biggest club in Scotland and is visibly failing in the PL. How did he get these jobs? Well, he didn't earn them.
I can't see that they have much in common at all.
I agree with the man I used to think looked like Adrian Chiles.
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I guess to be fair to Nan's Hair, that getting to a play off final was at least half decent.
I think it shows is that regardless of who the manager is, if you don't support them, they don't stand a chance.
I'm not sure that's what it shows. I think that, despite what the wider media might sometimes suggest, we are a pretty forgiving and supportive fan base. The common thinking was that we never gave McLeish or Bruce a chance because of the Blues connection, but that just isn't true. Same with managers like Sherwood, O'Leary, Lambert etc - we desperately wanted all of them to work and they had great backing form the fans. We just need something to get behind and we'll be there. Maybe it says that hiring a manager that the supporters approve of matters? But I'm uncomfortable with shifting the blame onto us for managers not doing their job - I'm probably being over defensive here.
I don't think this applies to your comment, Risso, but I have seen a lot from pundits recently about how our fans have been letting the team down recently, or that we have unrealistic expectations, or that we need to be more patient etc. We couldn't possibly understand what happens on the pitch or behind the scenes, so we just need to sing songs and clap - having paid to be there. It all just feel indicative of the way the game sees fans, like Victorian parents saw their children - great to show off our party tricks when they have people over ('listen to the atmosphere'), but they don't really want anything to do with us otherwise.
Personally, I think the fans (on here) have a pretty good record of predicting whether a manager will work or not - far better than the people who have actually been doing the hiring for the last 20 years or so.
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I reckon the new manager will be announced within an hour of Gerrard's sacking. That's kind of what they did when Grealish departed and Ings arrived.
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I guess to be fair to Nan's Hair, that getting to a play off final was at least half decent.
I think it shows is that regardless of who the manager is, if you don't support them, they don't stand a chance.
I'm not sure that's what it shows. I think that, despite what the wider media might sometimes suggest, we are a pretty forgiving and supportive fan base. The common thinking was that we never gave McLeish or Bruce a chance because of the Blues connection, but that just isn't true. Same with managers like Sherwood, O'Leary, Lambert etc - we desperately wanted all of them to work and they had great backing form the fans. We just need something to get behind and we'll be there. Maybe it says that hiring a manager that the supporters approve of matters? But I'm uncomfortable with shifting the blame onto us for managers not doing their job - I'm probably being over defensive here.
I don't think this applies to your comment, Risso, but I have seen a lot from pundits recently about how our fans have been letting the team down recently, or that we have unrealistic expectations, or that we need to be more patient etc. We couldn't possibly understand what happens on the pitch or behind the scenes, so we just need to sing songs and clap - having paid to be there. It all just feel indicative of the way the game sees fans, like Victorian parents saw their children - great to show off our party tricks when they have people over ('listen to the atmosphere'), but they don't really want anything to do with us otherwise.
Personally, I think the fans (on here) have a pretty good record of predicting whether a manager will work or not - far better than the people who have actually been doing the hiring for the last 20 years or so.
I meant financial support from the owners, not support in the stands from the fans.
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I guess to be fair to Nan's Hair, that getting to a play off final was at least half decent.
I think it shows is that regardless of who the manager is, if you don't support them, they don't stand a chance.
I'm not sure that's what it shows. I think that, despite what the wider media might sometimes suggest, we are a pretty forgiving and supportive fan base. The common thinking was that we never gave McLeish or Bruce a chance because of the Blues connection, but that just isn't true. Same with managers like Sherwood, O'Leary, Lambert etc - we desperately wanted all of them to work and they had great backing form the fans. We just need something to get behind and we'll be there. Maybe it says that hiring a manager that the supporters approve of matters? But I'm uncomfortable with shifting the blame onto us for managers not doing their job - I'm probably being over defensive here.
I don't think this applies to your comment, Risso, but I have seen a lot from pundits recently about how our fans have been letting the team down recently, or that we have unrealistic expectations, or that we need to be more patient etc. We couldn't possibly understand what happens on the pitch or behind the scenes, so we just need to sing songs and clap - having paid to be there. It all just feel indicative of the way the game sees fans, like Victorian parents saw their children - great to show off our party tricks when they have people over ('listen to the atmosphere'), but they don't really want anything to do with us otherwise.
Personally, I think the fans (on here) have a pretty good record of predicting whether a manager will work or not - far better than the people who have actually been doing the hiring for the last 20 years or so.
I meant financial support from the owners, not support in the stands from the fans.
Haha! Then I definitely was being over-defensive! Sorry!
It's difficult to argue with that - every manager needs backing. Our recent managers have been very lucky with the money they've had.
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I guess to be fair to Nan's Hair, that getting to a play off final was at least half decent.
I think it shows is that regardless of who the manager is, if you don't support them, they don't stand a chance.
I'm not sure that's what it shows. I think that, despite what the wider media might sometimes suggest, we are a pretty forgiving and supportive fan base. The common thinking was that we never gave McLeish or Bruce a chance because of the Blues connection, but that just isn't true. Same with managers like Sherwood, O'Leary, Lambert etc - we desperately wanted all of them to work and they had great backing form the fans. We just need something to get behind and we'll be there. Maybe it says that hiring a manager that the supporters approve of matters? But I'm uncomfortable with shifting the blame onto us for managers not doing their job - I'm probably being over defensive here.
I don't think this applies to your comment, Risso, but I have seen a lot from pundits recently about how our fans have been letting the team down recently, or that we have unrealistic expectations, or that we need to be more patient etc. We couldn't possibly understand what happens on the pitch or behind the scenes, so we just need to sing songs and clap - having paid to be there. It all just feel indicative of the way the game sees fans, like Victorian parents saw their children - great to show off our party tricks when they have people over ('listen to the atmosphere'), but they don't really want anything to do with us otherwise.
Personally, I think the fans (on here) have a pretty good record of predicting whether a manager will work or not - far better than the people who have actually been doing the hiring for the last 20 years or so.
I meant financial support from the owners, not support in the stands from the fans.
Haha! Then I definitely was being over-defensive! Sorry!
It's difficult to argue with that - every manager needs backing. Our recent managers have been very lucky with the money they've had.
Lange has been very lucky, and continues to be such.
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My feeling with Houllier was that it would have been a great appointment ten years earlier. Hiring a guy with a serious health issue was concerning, high risk and, potentially, very short term. I started doubting Lerner and his "nous" from that moment on.
Houllier pissed off a number of senior players straight away and had us in a relegation battle a season after we finished 6th. Lerner still gave him the cash to buy Bent and Makoun in Jan. If he had done that the previous summer, MON would have surely stayed. Though that model was destined to end in tears at some point.
Garde and more recently Gerrard made the same mistake as Houllier. I guess you need to pick your battles as a coach.
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
MATT LAW
FOOTBALL NEWS CORRESPONDENT
19 October 2022 • 3:17pm
Matt Law
Mauricio Pochettino – Aston Villa would be lucky to get Mauricio Pochettino – but it works both ways
It took less than an half-an-hour for the social media account of a publicity-hungry betting company to provide their own take on the news that Aston Villa will make an ambitious bid to try to tempt Mauricio Pochettino back to management in the Midlands.
On Twitter, Paddy Power posted a message that read: “According to reports, Aston Villa are ready to ask Mauricio Pochettino if he fancies rejecting the chance to join them.”
Even the most ardent supporter of a claret and blue persuasion might have raised a smile and yet the subject of whether or not Pochettino should even consider Villa has so far split opinion with former Crystal Palace chairman Simon Jordan claiming he would be “bloody lucky” to manage the club.
Pochettino has spent the last six years of his management career in the Champions League with Tottenham Hotspur, who he took to the final, and Paris St-Germain, in charge of the likes of Harry Kane, Lionel Messi and Neymar.
It will not just be those at Paddy Power who believe the smart money is on Pochettino telling Villa ‘thanks but no thanks’ and yet it might not be quite that straightforward for the 50-year-old.
So why on earth should Pochettino even consider jumping back into management at Villa if Steven Gerrard, who is facing a critical few days starting at Fulham on Thursday night, is sacked?
There was a timely clue that came to light on Wednesday, when it was revealed that co-owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens injected a further £15.5 million into the club’s accounts. That means, since their takeover in July 2018, Villa’s ambitious owners have pumped around £375 million into the club and there is more investment to come with the planned expansion of Villa Park.
As reported by Telegraph Sport, Sawiris and Edens are adding more football clubs to their portfolio, which Villa will sit at the top of, with a Las Vegas franchise that is awaiting entry into the MLS and talks being held with a number of European clubs. Two academies are being opened in Africa.
Whether or not Villa’s multi-club plans would be of much interest to Pochettino is not known, but Sawiris and Edens are not acting like owners who will react to almost 12 months of on-pitch stagnation under Gerrard by losing interest or turning off the tap.
Quite the contrary and it is interesting that Sawiris is expected to lead any process to replace Gerrard, even though decisions will continue to be made collaboratively between him, Edens, chief executive Christian Purslow and sporting director Johan Lange.
Outside those not backed by sovereign wealth or competing in the Champions League, Villa are one of the few clubs that may well be prepared to pay Pochettino around £10 million-a-year with £100 million to immediately start spending on transfers.
That is almost twice what Gareth Southgate is paid as England manager and would put Pochettino into the top bracket of Premier League earners.
Potentially even more important for the Argentine, he may also find Villa so desperate to land him that he could effectively ask for the keys to the club – something he was never granted at Spurs, despite his success, or PSG.
Ignoring the league table, Villa could effectively offer Pochettino what he has always wanted in terms of money and power, while Gerrard has set the bar so low in terms of results that even a relatively small short-term upturn would have the club’s fans eating out of his hands.
Villa’s supporters can be an unforgiving bunch, just ask Steve Bruce who was having a cabbage hurled at him during the same season that finished with Pochettino leading Tottenham out in the Champions League final. But they are crying out for a new messiah since the departures of Jack Grealish and Dean Smith, and the arrival of a manager of the calibre of Pochettino would quickly shift the onus back on to the players and eradicate any excuse culture that may have developed within the squad.
With the backing of Sawiris and Edens, plus 42,000 fans behind them, Villa is a club waiting to take off but also one that cannot afford to drift for too much longer.
Perhaps the most pertinent question Pochettino would have to ask himself is just what exactly would he be waiting for if he turned down Villa? The Chelsea and Manchester United jobs have already passed him by, and it is hard to predict where the next big six vacancy might come in England with his old club Tottenham planning to open negotiations with Antonio Conte over a new contract next month.
Juventus might be the first big European job to become available, but Italian clubs rarely appoint foreign managers and the pulling power of Serie A is not what it was with the Turin club struggling to qualify past the group stages of this season’s Champions League and already facing a fight to qualify for next season’s competition.
Winning in Italy would certainly restore and enhance Pochettino’s reputation, just as it did for Conte, but finishing second or third with a club like Juventus would undoubtedly be viewed as failure.
Pochettino will consider himself at least an equal to Thomas Tuchel, but the German’s Champions League success with Chelsea may put him higher on the shortlists of clubs such as Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich if any of the super-clubs decide to make a change, either during or at the end of the season.
Make no mistake, in their current predicament, Villa would be extremely fortunate to get Pochettino. But Jordan is also right in the sense that whoever manages one of English football’s most famous clubs can count themselves “bloody lucky” – no matter where they might have worked before.
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I want to see the following soon, regardless of the result against Fulham.
1. Club statement including the words 'relieved of duties'
2. The betting showing Poch at 1/6 with the next candidate being 4/1 or higher.
3. Dwight Yorke on SSN bemoaning the fact he wasn't called.
4. Poch's cuddly face beaming in Castore tracksuit (not Wolves) as he stretches a shirt.
5. Cazoo sales in Argentina sky rocket due to this publicity.
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Say what you like about the Telegraph, they're doing their best to persuade Poch to join us!
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It seems strange that there is such a look of talk about it while SG is still in a job
The reality I still think there is a really good chance that we get 4 points from the next 2 games - and then hell argue a corner has been turned.
I feel a bit sorry for him - its not his fault hes shit and it cant be great knowing everyone wants you gone
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Can’t feel sorry for a chancer getting paid millions to do fuck all and then millions more to leave.
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
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Interesting that it mentions Sawiris as leading the recruitment process: I wonder whether this a shift away from it being led by Purslow or Lange? - if so, I wonder what Purslow will make of that?
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/premier-league-clubs-squad-value-compared-to-league-position-arsenal-tottenham-fulham-and-newcastle-the-big-overachievers-as-liverpool-aston-villa-and-everton-well-adrift-gallery-view-3885733
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
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Interesting that it mentions Sawiris as leading the recruitment process: I wonder whether this a shift away from it being led by Purslow or Lange? - if so, I wonder what Purslow will make of that?
I heard that Sawiris handled the JG transfer - so I wonder if there are certain things he does. Clearly Purslow has played a big part in identifying SG before though
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
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Poch would be a huge appointment, on a par with BFR to my mind.
Managers I was genuinely excited about us appointing (started taking a proper interest in Villa the season SGT started in his first stint):
- Big Fat Ron
- Martin O'Neill
Managers I thought could work out:
- Dr Jo (I was young and naive..)
- Sir Brian
- O'Leary
- Lambert
- Garde
- Gerrard
- Deano*
Managers I thought would be crap:
- Gregory
- SGT mark 2
- Houllier
- McLeish
- Tactics Tim
- Di Matteo
- Bruce**
* Bit unfair on Smith. I was chuffed that we appointed him. He massively exceeded my expectations, and has to be up there as my favourite Villa manager.
** Bruce also exceeded expectations, I guess, and I ended up liking him more than I thought I would. He stayed a few months longer than he ought to have, but given the state the club was in at the time I thought it was both totally understandable why he was kept on, and he did the right thing by not leaving us at that point.
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
I think the key thing there is, right for whom. Whatever misgivings people had about Smith, he always put what was right for Aston Villa first.
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
I think the key thing there is, right for whom. Whatever misgivings people had about Smith, he always put what was right for Aston Villa first.
I think he tried to do what he thought would bring Villa success in the short-term - properly what his brief was - and for him he hoped it would bring him his dream job.
He was here to get results - he tried to do it - he was too inexperienced, shit or both for that to happen
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
I think the key thing there is, right for whom. Whatever misgivings people had about Smith, he always put what was right for Aston Villa first.
Surely that applies to every manager at every club. They all want to be successful, so why would any of them do what they considered not to be the right thing?
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
I think the key thing there is, right for whom. Whatever misgivings people had about Smith, he always put what was right for Aston Villa first.
I think he tried to do what he thought would bring Villa success in the short-term - properly what his brief was - and for him he hoped it would bring him his dream job.
He was here to get results - he tried to do it - he was too inexperienced, shit or both for that to happen
I have no problem with Villa not being Gerrard's club. We know it's Liverpool. Just in the same way that Norwich isn't Smith's club. I'd also have no problem with Gerrard being successful at Villa and then heading to Liverpool at the first possible opportunity because again, I think the majority of Villa fans accepted that would come with the territory of taking him on as manager and if he'd been successful enough to get the Liverpool job from Villa, he'd have been doing some things right.
What I have a problem with, is that first and foremost, Steven Gerrard is putting himself first ahead of the football club that he's employed by. That he's been allowed to do so is a related point as to Purslow's culpability for the current situation. We've seen this in a number of ways:
* increasing the age profile of the squad. I think a number of Villa fans would agree that more experience was needed, but Gerrard is clearly mainly focused on ready made players now, who require less coaching, less management and are less likely to make mistakes but of course, will have a lower ceiling to improve. And that's because Gerrard is in a rush to get to where he wants to be quicker. Again, that could be in Aston Villa's benefit if we have success but it could also leave us saddled with older players on longer contracts and a reduce ceiling for improvement.
* reduced development of young players in the first team, even when we probably should have given them a chance with injuries and first teamers not performing. In the league cup at Bolton, that could have been an opportunity to give Archer and others development time. Again, I want Villa to win trophies, so wasn't unhappy to see a strong side. But it was clearly also about job preservation at that point for the manager to get a result. Did we really need to buy Dendoncker when we could have given young Tim some game time?
* the current football we're being served up is terrible and low risk football. Chelsea was better but what we're getting isn't good enough, is a deviation from what was done before but is about the manager preserving his job first and foremost at the expense of the players, the supporters and the image of the club. The comments about Chelsea coming to VP and winning at a canter I very much read as perception management outside of VP at the expense of the supporters and the club which get behind the team and are the club.
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Had a good convo with a Spurs ST holder this morning (old buddy of mine) about Poch - he really talked him up, got Spurs playing some really free flowing football, was willing to mix it up, brought in some great players (Son, Trippier, Ali, Ndombele etc) and got them to a CL final. Said he’d be a very marquee signing for us - I agree.
Refuse to get too excited though. Unbelievably Gerrard is still here and knowing the Villa, we will end up appointing Pulis to save our bacon!
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Im not saying he isn't a dick, and I wish he never graced the dugout of our great club - but he has tried what he thinks is right. Its just a shame hes shit
I think the key thing there is, right for whom. Whatever misgivings people had about Smith, he always put what was right for Aston Villa first.
Surely that applies to every manager at every club. They all want to be successful, so why would any of them do what they considered not to be the right thing?
No, there are differentials. Some are prepared to work to longer term goals which benefit the club rather than themselves and for which they don't necessarily see the ROI on during their tenure. Building a club, a long-term culture and youth set up, etc. It's why when some managers leave they leave the club in a better situation then that which they inherited and why others leave a complete car crash of a situation. The prevalence of FFP is also a factor here in terms of decisions made and for whose benefit.
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No, there are differentials. Some are prepared to work to longer term goals which benefit the club rather than themselves and for which they don't necessarily see the ROI on during their tenure. Building a club, a long-term culture and youth set up, etc. It's why when some managers leave they leave the club in a better situation then that which they inherited and why others leave a complete car crash of a situation. The prevalence of FFP is also a factor here in terms of decisions made and for whose benefit.
Well transfers are in the main the preserve of Purslow and Lange. Did you see Dean Smith object to the purchase of Danny Ings for example? As for the purchase of Dedoncker when he could have played Iroegbunam. We'd bought Kamara, and so Tim was allowed out on loan. Obviously nobody knew that Kamara was going to get a serious injury, but that was just unlucky. Just about everybody on here has said we made a mistake in not letting Keinan go on loan when he was younger, but now we're doing that with players like Tim I, it's a mistake?
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
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Interesting that it mentions Sawiris as leading the recruitment process: I wonder whether this a shift away from it being led by Purslow or Lange? - if so, I wonder what Purslow will make of that?
I heard that Sawiris handled the JG transfer - so I wonder if there are certain things he does. Clearly Purslow has played a big part in identifying SG before though
I heard he was also the one pushing for Thierry Henry, and was eventually overruled/talked out of it and we hired Deano instead.
So he may get us Poch, or we may end up with another ex-player he admired. Maybe Yorke's time has come at last ...
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Fuck. Thierry Henry. No thanks.
Lets go for Vieira.
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
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Interesting that it mentions Sawiris as leading the recruitment process: I wonder whether this a shift away from it being led by Purslow or Lange? - if so, I wonder what Purslow will make of that?
I heard that Sawiris handled the JG transfer - so I wonder if there are certain things he does. Clearly Purslow has played a big part in identifying SG before though
I heard he was also the one pushing for Thierry Henry, and was eventually overruled/talked out of it and we hired Deano instead.
So he may get us Poch, or we may end up with another ex-player he admired. Maybe Yorke's time has come at last ...
Yep Poch or an Ex Arsenal legend (I think he was an arsenal fan)
Has Tony Adams left strictly yet?
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Fuck. Thierry Henry. No thanks.
Lets go for Vieira.
I’d be well happy with Viera.
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Id still take rogers
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Id still take rogers
And me.
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No, there are differentials. Some are prepared to work to longer term goals which benefit the club rather than themselves and for which they don't necessarily see the ROI on during their tenure. Building a club, a long-term culture and youth set up, etc. It's why when some managers leave they leave the club in a better situation then that which they inherited and why others leave a complete car crash of a situation. The prevalence of FFP is also a factor here in terms of decisions made and for whose benefit.
Well transfers are in the main the preserve of Purslow and Lange. Did you see Dean Smith object to the purchase of Danny Ings for example? As for the purchase of Dedoncker when he could have played Iroegbunam. We'd bought Kamara, and so Tim was allowed out on loan. Obviously nobody knew that Kamara was going to get a serious injury, but that was just unlucky. Just about everybody on here has said we made a mistake in not letting Keinan go on loan when he was younger, but now we're doing that with players like Tim I, it's a mistake?
We've heard before that transfers are the preserve of the manager, CEO and Head of football at Villa. I suspect that the increase in age profile of the signings we've made under Gerrard are at his request to do so. It can't be an accident that it's happened under his tenure.
Smith developed and improved players that he bought. It's why Mings, Cash, Grealish, Watkins and others became internationals. It might also have seen him say no to a Dendoncker because we'd want to develop a Tim, who even with Kamara signed we still had space for his alternate. When a manager loses his job it's because things are going wrong but it doesn't mean what he did and what he left behind wasn't an improvement on what he inherited. Smith left a better situation then inherited with more successes under his belt then failures. Gerrard won't.
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Another piece from (Villa fan) Matt Law in the Telegraph. His second in a couple of days talking about Pochettino, but this is certainly more 'opinion' than a strong link. It's nice to see us being talked up a bit in the press though. (or will it make Sean Dyche's appointment all the more depressing?)
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Interesting that it mentions Sawiris as leading the recruitment process: I wonder whether this a shift away from it being led by Purslow or Lange? - if so, I wonder what Purslow will make of that?
I heard that Sawiris handled the JG transfer - so I wonder if there are certain things he does. Clearly Purslow has played a big part in identifying SG before though
I heard he was also the one pushing for Thierry Henry, and was eventually overruled/talked out of it and we hired Deano instead.
Henry turned us down. Took the Monaco job a few days after. Started with them early Oct, sacked at the end of Jan in the same season.
Id still take rogers
And me.
Last summer I wouldn't have been against it. But getting the tin tack - or close to it - at Leicester and ending up at the Villa isn't the natural order of things.
You'd have to wonder how much the last few months (going back to the second half of last season) has taken out of him n'all.
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Rogers !! He’s bottom of the league for fuck‘s sake
We might need a manager so let’s look for the one of the very few that is doing even worse than the one we’ve currently got
There’s reasons you say ?
Yeah there is he’s got a squad similar to ours in quality maybe even better and he’s doing worse with it, the reason he’s bottom is because he’s Lost it doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’s going through the motions trying to get the payoff, Why would we want someone like that
Do you guys just want us to keep going round in circles forever
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Rodgers is a 3 year manager. Good bounce, great 18 months, then downhill. Key with him is knowing when and how to replace him, but he would undoubtedly improve us short and medium term looking at his work everywhere he has been. If he won an FA cup along the way, i would be delighted.
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Rodgers great 18 months - i would settle for a great 6 months at the moment (especially if he can win us the FA Cup)
Whoever it is, they will inherit a side that has a lot of very average footballers, and therefore will do well to keep us in this division.
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Nonsense. A vaguely competent manager would have this lot mid-table.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
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Frank = owners now aiming for also ran / don’t get relegated. Rogers = can’t get anybody better because our transfer budget isn’t tempting enough.
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We really have to be more ambitious than 'Brentford flavour of month' or 'solid, didn't get relegated' or (a phrase that makes me chuck up my lunch) 'he'll do a job'. We need someone who we really think is top level, who gets the modern game from top to bottom, who hasn't been left behind. Pochettino, sure, but it's ambitious. We need more than 'Pochettino orrrrrr Sean Dyche? That bloke at the Bees?'. That's not a plan.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Either would be bland as fuck.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Knowing our luck it would be Fat Frank.
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Rodgers is a 3 year manager.
Which would probably be longer than the average tenure for a Villa manager. I’m not sure about the obsession with long term managers when in reality managers last about 18 months in the Premier League (a guess). I reckon we need some short term thinking - get someone in to transform the culture in the squad straight away and accept that we’ll need to do it again in a couple of years. Rodgers wouldn’t be my choice but he’s a proven better manager than Gerrard so why not take a punt and get shot in a few years when he’s (hopefully) got us in a better position but has reached his plateau.
This all makes sense in my head at least.
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We need someone that's going to lift the malaise and get everybody excited again. Appointing one of the few managers to somehow be below us in the league isn't going to do that.
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Fair enough. Klopp it is then, on a 10 year deal.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Is that you guessing or from whispers you have heard?
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I’ve thought it’s gonna be Rogers (the obvious choice in a mildly depressing way) for a while but I really hope I’m wrong.
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Rodgers with some serious money to spend would be good. Rodgers with this team wouldn't.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Knowing our luck it would be Fat Frank.
Or Frank Sidebottom.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Is that you guessing or from whispers you have heard?
Villa Whispers but Vinnie proclaims.
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Frank or Rodger’s is where my money would be
Either would be bland as fuck.
Agreed. No thanks to either.
Rodgers from a few years back, yes, but of late, he's been worse than Steven.
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i have never quite warmed to Rodgers, don't really know what he stands for, the football is ok but i think he and his teams are a bit soft.
It would issue in an era of steady but unexciting.
Its a no from me.
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Both Frank or Rodgers might do alright with us. Either of them will get more out of these players than Gerrard has been, so I'm confident we will get better under either of them.
Neither are exciting though, are they? Neither will make prospective players think "wow, Villa are going places I want to be a part of that". They are both managers that will steady the ship, but you can't imagine either of them really building something, which I think is what we need. Or, probably more accurately, what I want. I want excitement, this season so far is draining everyone of enthusiasm and we all need a lift. I'm not sure either of those would provide it initially. A team that wins more than once a month would certainly help though.
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Beale anybody now he's turned down Wolves?
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Beale anybody now he's turned down Wolves?
On the basis that we were mostly dire with him rather than largely shit like now no thanks.
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We have got worse since he left. But no thanks to him coming back for SG
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I wasn't being serious as I agree it wasn't much better when he was here. It was more the fact another manager has turned them down.
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I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. He didn't ever come across as a nice guy as a player, and the whole 'Look me in the eye' nonsense was pathetic. And he'll get paid £15m for being shite if/when we sack him.
Quite.
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Frank = owners now aiming for also ran / don’t get relegated. Rogers = can’t get anybody better because our transfer budget isn’t tempting enough.
Correct
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Frank is just very annoying.
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Frank = owners now aiming for also ran / don’t get relegated. Rogers = can’t get anybody better because our transfer budget isn’t tempting enough.
Correct
Agree. Strong "no" to Rodgers - stinks of a completely lack of ambition or will to compete in this division, at least above mid-table level.
Frank - less against, but it'd feel really rather underwhelming to go from talk about Poch or Emery and end up with Brentford's manager again! Absolutely no offence meant towards Brentford there, it'd just feel like we were randomly picking off their players and managers until it worked out.
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
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Poch or Emery and end up with Brentford's manager again! Absolutely no offence meant towards Brentford there, it'd just feel like we were randomly picking off their players and managers until it worked out.
Yes.
There would also an element of can't get Martinez, let's go for McLeish about it. Without the added B-lose nonsense, obv.
Caught an interview with Noel Mooney (current Welsh FA CEO) last weekend. He was asked about the choice of head coach for the Ireland women's team - a process he oversaw.
He said rather than getting hung up on a particular name, he asked the players and others involved about the type of manager they wanted.
Sounds simple, but if you want Poch because of his focus on integration with academy structures, hands off approach to transfers and how his teams press from the front, you don't then go for Frank (or similar) if you can't get him.
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IF we sack Gerrard (I am starting to doubt that we will) then we need to ensure we have got our prime candidate ready and willing to take the job, we cannot afford to be without a manager for a few weeks.
We don't want to be like Wolves who are being turned down by Managers and then have to keep looking for the next one on the list!
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
I just have the feeling that he would be another that the job/club would end up being too big for.
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If it was a choice between Rogers and Frank, then it would be Rogers every time.
I still Rogers would do a good job for us, but would much rather we go the next level up, obviously. Frank would be seriously depressing.
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Rogers would be the best appointment since O Neill but that really isn't saying a lot. Certainly would be less exciting than Poch.
Frank would be a better appointment than Gerrard but definately a dull, uninspiring one.
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Rogers would be the best appointment since O Neill but that really isn't saying a lot. Certainly would be less exciting than Poch.
Frank would be a better appointment than Gerrard but definately a dull, uninspiring one.
Frank strikes me as the modern day Lambert equivalent.
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
Well I certainly dont find him funny, the accent I guess he cant help. The Hair is a very bad idea. He comes over as a bit to full of himself.
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
Well I certainly dont find him funny, the accent I guess he cant help. The Hair is a very bad idea. He comes over as a bit to full of himself.
The most apt description was from someone on here who said something along the lines of "he looks like a ski instructor who spends his nights at the resort shagging young Scandinavians".
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
Well I certainly dont find him funny, the accent I guess he cant help. The Hair is a very bad idea. He comes over as a bit to full of himself.
The most apt description was from someone on here who said something along the lines of "he looks like a ski instructor who spends his nights at the resort shagging young Scandinavians".
with that hair?
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Rogers would be the best appointment since O Neill but that really isn't saying a lot. Certainly would be less exciting than Poch.
Frank would be a better appointment than Gerrard but definately a dull, uninspiring one.
Frank strikes me as the modern day Lambert equivalent.
Yep. I’m just not sure the ‘done well at a smaller club and that’s about it’ is going to cut it any more. Rogers has got a wide range of experience so wouldn’t be a bad one but I just want us to finally aim for the stars this time and I can’t see why we couldn’t pull it off as long as he get backed by the owners. I suppose that’s the crux of it and we’ll really see where we’re at after the next appointment.
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Wrong thread
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Liz Truss.
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Frank is just very annoying.
The hair, the humour or the accent?
Well I certainly dont find him funny, the accent I guess he cant help. The Hair is a very bad idea. He comes over as a bit to full of himself.
The most apt description was from someone on here who said something along the lines of "he looks like a ski instructor who spends his nights at the resort shagging young Scandinavians".
with that hair?
Sometimes we feel better in the dark.
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I’d take Rodgers. He’s known as a good coach but with a bit if Gervais about him. I’d copy Liverpool, let Rodgers get us securely into the top half and then replace him with “Klopp” in two or three years time.
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I’d take Rodgers. He’s known as a good coach but with a bit if Gervais about him. I’d copy Liverpool, let Rodgers get us securely into the top half and then replace him with “Klopp” in two or three years time.
Errrr, no.
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I'd just say this to the owners. Don't take us for fucking idiots. We all know who a good appointment would be, and who would be another gamble / a boring also ran. Over to you.
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Whatever about the new coach, there's some serious weaknesses in our squad currently. Tonight, so many of them bottled physical collisions especially at set piece time. There's very little pace in the team. Also a real mish mash of a squad with Watkins/Ings, Coutinho/Buendia, only one winger and a crap one at that.
There's no quick fixes for me.
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No way is a Pochetino a Tuchel or any big name manager coming to this toxic fuck up.
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I still don't buy its a squad thing. This group is far better than 16th.
Living in NY for last 20 years, I've become a huge Giants fan. They have sucked for a decade and last year went 4-13, one of the worst teams in the NFL. They changed coaches - this year, with by and large the same squad that so badly under-performed last year, they have gone 5-1 already, and everyone is talking about how coaching has made the difference.
It matters is my point. Confidence, tactical nous, mentality, courage - things that can be instilled into a squad.
With the right man in charge, this squad is capable of comfortable mid table. Build from there.
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Whatever about the new coach, there's some serious weaknesses in our squad currently. Tonight, so many of them bottled physical collisions especially at set piece time. There's very little pace in the team. Also a real mish mash of a squad with Watkins/Ings, Coutinho/Buendia, only one winger and a crap one at that.
There's no quick fixes for me.
The squad isn’t perfect by any measure but when the manager sets us up in a way that surrenders the wide positions we are not giving ourselves a chance. It was so easy for Fulham to play around us tonight. He’s clueless.
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Some joker's mentioned Dyche on Talksport just now.
Are we that desperate????
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Ancelotti took over Everton when they were 18th three seasons back so it's not impossible to get someone decent in as anyone sensible would back themselves to get some early wins and then view things through a long term lens.
Every game we leave it we just give the next one a harder task though.
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They come for the money. The only thing stopping us from appointments g an elite coach is Purslow.
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So… apart from Liz Truss, we must have someone lined up already?
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Please don't be Sean Dyche. Please don't be Nuno Espirito-Santo.
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Now we will move Heaven & Earth.
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I refuse to accept anyone who isn't fucking awesome.
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Pochettino. Please.
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Pochettino.....!
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I refuse to accept anyone who isn't fucking awesome.
You want me ?
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I refuse to accept anyone who isn't fucking awesome.
You want me ?
What is this? Grinder??
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We have tried a local hero and cut him as oon as it started to wane and now a vanity project has failed.
The owners really need to show some nous and ambition or the questions will start to be directed at them
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Some things I do not want to hear now:
- aspiring British manager
- did well in Scotland
- knows how to operate on a budget
- imagine what he could do with decent funding
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Poch has to be first 5 choices. After that, fuck knows. Guy at Mainz maybe. The press seem to think the owners want a big hitter. Let's hope they are right.
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I refuse to accept anyone who isn't fucking awesome.
You want me ?
What is this? Grinder??
Oi, mind your business. He offered himself to me first.
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Dwight Yorke on sky sports news in 5…4…
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Would shut up the outsiders who think we cant get Pochettino if we appoint him
Certainly think we can bring him if we want him
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Betfair Odds:
Betfair Next Manager:
Manager Specials
Next Permanent Aston Villa Manager
Mauricio Pochettino1.57
Unai Emery6.0
Michael Beale7.5
Thomas Tuchel11.0
Thomas Frank11.0
Sean Dyche13.0
Ralph Hassenhuttl21.0
Marcelo Bielsa21.0
Kjetil Knudsen21.0
John Terry21.0
Scott Parker23.0
Chris Wilder26.0
Rafa Benitez26.0
Dean Smith26.0
Jose Mourinho41.0
Antonio Conte41.0
Erik ten Hag51.0
Steve Bruce67.0
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Poch has to be first 5 choices. After that, fuck knows. Guy at Mainz maybe. The press seem to think the owners want a big hitter. Let's hope they are right.
Even if the haven't worked out as hoped we've started signing european level players in last 18 months so stands to reason next step is to get a manager in who's comfortable operating at that level.
Beyond the usual names, Marcelino is someone who should be in the frame. Won the cup and finished top 4 with Valencia in 19/20 and they're a very difficult club to manage. He's also done good jobs at other Spanish sides.
If it's Dyche or Nuno we might aswell just give up acting like we want to play and be competitive in europe.
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I refuse to accept anyone who isn't fucking awesome.
You want me ?
What is this? Grinder??
Oi, mind your business. He offered himself to me first.
In fairness I’m not picky
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Well I’m having 50p on Ten Haag.
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There's literally no way that Dyche is even being considered so chill out lads
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I guess we’ll soon find out how ambitious we are.
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Id go for someone with ‘passion’
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Betfair Odds:
Betfair Next Manager:
Manager Specials
Next Permanent Aston Villa Manager
Mauricio Pochettino1.57
Unai Emery6.0
Michael Beale7.5
Thomas Tuchel11.0
Thomas Frank11.0
Sean Dyche13.0
Ralph Hassenhuttl21.0
Marcelo Bielsa21.0
Kjetil Knudsen21.0
John Terry21.0
Scott Parker23.0
Chris Wilder26.0
Rafa Benitez26.0
Dean Smith26.0
Jose Mourinho41.0
Antonio Conte41.0
Erik ten Hag51.0
Steve Bruce67.0
I don't understand those odds.
Paddy Power has it:
4/6 Pochetino
5/1 Unai Emery.
100/1 Dwight Yorke
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Going on past performance I’m not really all that confident
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Dwight Yorke on sky sports news in 5…4…
He is doing very well, to be fair.
But no, obviously.
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What a fucking huge moment. I'm scared.
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I'm a tad surprised Brendan Rodgers isn't on that list.
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Betfair Odds:
Betfair Next Manager:
Manager Specials
Next Permanent Aston Villa Manager
Mauricio Pochettino1.57
Unai Emery6.0
Michael Beale7.5
Thomas Tuchel11.0
Thomas Frank11.0
Sean Dyche13.0
Ralph Hassenhuttl21.0
Marcelo Bielsa21.0
Kjetil Knudsen21.0
John Terry21.0
Scott Parker23.0
Chris Wilder26.0
Rafa Benitez26.0
Dean Smith26.0
Jose Mourinho41.0
Antonio Conte41.0
Erik ten Hag51.0
Steve Bruce67.0
I don't understand those odds.
Paddy Power has it:
4/6 Pochetino
5/1 Unai Emery.
100/1 Dwight Yorke
Decimal odds are just the top/bottom+1.
Poch is 4/7 in fractional odds.
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Roberto Martinez might be an outside bet.
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Mods, any chance of a poll please?
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Roberto Martinez might be an outside bet.
Nooooooo….fucking NO.
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Has Tuchel already turned us down?
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At least Wolves have said they're sticking with Davis until the new year.
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Roberto Martinez might be an outside bet.
Nooooooo….fucking NO.
He'd want to go to Qatar with Belgium.
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It has to be someone who makes people take us seriously
Anything less and people will stop believing any of the ambition talk
Last time we could have got away with appointing a Frank type person but we spun the wheel on Steven and now we can’t show anything less than absolute ambition
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Roberto Martinez might be an outside bet.
Nooooooo….fucking NO.
I feel the same about the Danish National Manager to my friend.
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I would hope we get the manager in ASAP. And it would make sense from a timing standpoint. Gets to look at what we have before the WC. Goes to the WC and looks at some players. Comes back and spends some money.
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We could do a lot worse than Steffen Baumgart. As a FC Koln fan I'd hate to see him leave them, but if he could do for us what he's done for them then that'll do nicely. He took them from having only avoided relegation in 20/21 by the play off, to 7th and a Europa Conference place in 21/22, in his first season there. Koln's a similar size club to Villa and have also punched below their weight for far too long. And I'm sure the fans would love him - he's a real character.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/steffen-baumgart-who-is-cologne-s-passionate-flat-cap-wearing-coach-18823
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I would hope we get the manager in ASAP. And it would make sense from a timing standpoint. Gets to look at what we have before the WC. Goes to the WC and looks at some players. Comes back and spends some money.
Good plan TV, I can live with that!!
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
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We could do a lot worse than Steffen Baumgart. As a FC Koln fan I'd hate to see him leave them, but if he could do for us what he's done for them then that'll do nicely. He took them from having only avoided relegation in 20/21 by the play off, to 7th and a Europa Conference place in 21/22, in his first season there. Koln's a similar size club to Villa and have also punched below their weight for far too long. And I'm sure the fans would love him - he's a real character.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/steffen-baumgart-who-is-cologne-s-passionate-flat-cap-wearing-coach-18823
He can fuck off with that cap
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We could do a lot worse than Steffen Baumgart. As a FC Koln fan I'd hate to see him leave them, but if he could do for us what he's done for them then that'll do nicely. He took them from having only avoided relegation in 20/21 by the play off, to 7th and a Europa Conference place in 21/22, in his first season there. Koln's a similar size club to Villa and have also punched below their weight for far too long. And I'm sure the fans would love him - he's a real character.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/steffen-baumgart-who-is-cologne-s-passionate-flat-cap-wearing-coach-18823
He can fuck off with that cap
He looks like he's taking a shit but forgot to untie his baggies.
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We could do a lot worse than Steffen Baumgart. As a FC Koln fan I'd hate to see him leave them, but if he could do for us what he's done for them then that'll do nicely. He took them from having only avoided relegation in 20/21 by the play off, to 7th and a Europa Conference place in 21/22, in his first season there. Koln's a similar size club to Villa and have also punched below their weight for far too long. And I'm sure the fans would love him - he's a real character.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/steffen-baumgart-who-is-cologne-s-passionate-flat-cap-wearing-coach-18823
I think we could do a lot better.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
If it's just to unsettle Brentford ahead of Sunday, fine. If we actually want him, no thanks... boring.
Plus Jane thinks he's great so I will get beaten up in The Bartons every time I slag him off.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
Oh do behave Footy.
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Id have Dean Smith back, done very well with a limited budget at Norwich, knows the players and the club. And we wouldn’t have to pay the last bit of compo for sacking him.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
Fucking hell.
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The bring back Dean Smith thing is only slightly less batty and mentalist than the concurrent 'bring back Johnson' thing.
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We could do a lot worse than Steffen Baumgart. As a FC Koln fan I'd hate to see him leave them, but if he could do for us what he's done for them then that'll do nicely. He took them from having only avoided relegation in 20/21 by the play off, to 7th and a Europa Conference place in 21/22, in his first season there. Koln's a similar size club to Villa and have also punched below their weight for far too long. And I'm sure the fans would love him - he's a real character.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/steffen-baumgart-who-is-cologne-s-passionate-flat-cap-wearing-coach-18823
I think we could do a lot better.
I clicked the link, saw the photo of him with the cap on and closed the tab immediately.
I've seen enough.
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The bring back Dean Smith thing is only slightly less batty and mentalist than the concurrent 'bring back Johnson' thing.
Knows the language, works well with that bloke with the long hair who sorts out the corners?
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
Oh do behave Footy.
Couldn't resisit. I dream of Dean coming back one day.
The nightmare would be then Purslow would pull out Rafael Benítez!
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Wouldn’t get lost on the way to Bodymore for the first time?
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
Oh do behave Footy.
Couldn't resisit. I dream of Dean coming back one day.
The nightmare would be then Purslow would pull out Rafael Benítez!
I think there is probably nobody less likely to work for Purslow than Benitez. Do you think about this stuff before you type it or just vomit it directly out onto the internet?
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Deano, JT and Grealish back for the weekend?
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Frank would be really underwhelming. We need somebody in who will only come if there's big money to be spent, not because they're grateful for a bigger job.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see John Terry being touted as an option. Would have the profile Purslow and the owners seem to want.
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Frank would be really underwhelming. We need somebody in who will only come if there's big money to be spent, not because they're grateful for a bigger job.
Yep.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see John Terry being touted as an option. Would have the profile Purslow and the owners seem to want.
Would be almost as idiotic as the Gerrard appointment, too.
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The bring back Dean Smith thing is only slightly less batty and mentalist than the concurrent 'bring back Johnson' thing.
Knows the language, works well with that bloke with the long hair who sorts out the corners?
And he 'gets' us.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
Hardly the worst shout.
Arguably done a better job at Brentford than Potter did at Brighton.
DS stablisied Brentford as mid table championship club. Frank got them in the play offs twice and eventual promotion.
Comfortably got them mid table in premier league.
Had clout to get Eriksen to them and got top form out of him so shown he can deal with big name players.
Konsa and Watkins played well under him previously.
From the mid range of managers down the list he's probably the best candidate we could attract but obviously big question mark could he do the same outside of Brentford's system.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see John Terry being touted as an option. Would have the profile Purslow and the owners seem to want.
Would be almost as idiotic as the Gerrard appointment, too.
It would, sadly, also signal the end of Sexual Ealing's tenure as both a Villan and H&Ver, I fear.
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
He can only come as assistant to Dean Smith.
Norwich can have Critchley.
Oh no
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The Athletic have named Thomas Frank as under consideration. May I be the first to say screw that noise.
Hardly the worst shout.
Arguably done a better job at Brentford than Potter did at Brighton.
DS stablisied Brentford as mid table championship club. Frank got them in the play offs twice and eventual promotion.
Comfortably got them mid table in premier league.
Had clout to get Eriksen to them and got top form out of him so shown he can deal with big name players.
Konsa and Watkins played well under him previously.
From the mid range of managers down the list he's probably the best candidate we could attract but obviously big question mark could he do the same outside of Brentford's system.
Nooooooooooo
God have we not learnt. We already went down that route with Smith and it worked - we got mid table in the PL and then needed the big marquee pedigree manager to take us on to CL football. Instead we completely fucked up and appointed Gerrard.
It’s time to get that marquee name. We have the money, the infrastructure, the pull, and the ambition to attract someone like that - if Everton got Ancellotti, are you telling me we can’t do better that Frank or Dyche.
Come on guys, seriously.
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see John Terry being touted as an option. Would have the profile Purslow and the owners seem to want.
Not a chance. That experiment won’t be tried again if Purslow wants to keep his very high profile job
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Antonio Conte always comes undone. It’s happening now at Spurs. Quick little burst or lift. He runs around like a fucking penis on the touch line over the slightest thing. And eventually that shit wears off and he leaves or is booted
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
I'd have Bielsa and Rodgers in a higher separate group above Frank and the other one
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We have the chance to go for an elite level manager now - there’s the relatively rare opportunity of two currently being out of work - and we absolutely must take it.
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
I'd have Bielsa and Rodgers in a higher separate group above Frank and the other one
I think Rodgers is right where he is. Meh.
Bielsa would be my favourite out of the middle group. It could be brilliant, it could be disastrous. It wouldn't be boring. It would be like having Traore back, but in bucket-sitting manager form.
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Very early days but Poch the hot favourite (hopefully bets by someone in the know) followed by Tuchel and Emery. https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
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Very early days but Poch the hot favourite (hopefully someone in the know) followed by Tuchel and Emery. https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
I doubt it's anyone "in the know", more likely just well over a week's worth of Pochettino to Villa stories in the press influencing punters.
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Whoever we get next will spend a fortune, have “Claret n blue” sang after his ( or her) name, get booed, have “sacked in the morning” chanted at him (or her), get sacked and never get a better job ever again. And leave us with highly paid players the next manager won’t want.
And on it goes.
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Can we stop giving huge amounts of money to rookie managers. That's my hope. Having a manager who's done something elsehwere and is used to spending more than 50p and having expectations of his performance of more than win 1 every now and again. It starts at the top.
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Bielsa took a couple of years to get Leeds really firing, and we just haven't got that much time. Plus despite his reputation he's won pretty much fuck all anywhere despite a 30 year coaching career. And he doesn't speak English, and there's the bucket thing. No thank you very much.
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
I'd have Bielsa and Rodgers in a higher separate group above Frank and the other one
I think Rodgers is right where he is. Meh.
Bielsa would be my favourite out of the middle group. It could be brilliant, it could be disastrous. It wouldn't be boring. It would be like having Traore back, but in bucket-sitting manager form.
Yeah, I'd be up for that. We're better when we're freewheelin'
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Actually, that reminds me. I'm gonna give our Bertrand a ring and see if he fancies coming back now the bloody Fun Police has fucked off. Good times are coming back.
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Bielsa took a couple of years to get Leeds really firing, and we just haven't got that much time. Plus despite his reputation he's won pretty much fuck all anywhere despite a 30 year coaching career. And he doesn't speak English, and there's the bucket thing. No thank you very much.
And I don’t think for a second he’s managing another English club. He won’t be able recreate what he did at Leeds. If he manages again, he is 67, it be closer to home.
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Actually, that reminds me. I'm gonna give our Bertrand a ring and see if he fancies coming back now the bloody Fun Police has fucked off. Good times are coming back.
I'd certainly have him here over Bailey. You get about the same level of defensive discipline, but with the added benefit of actually beating a player and scoring goals. And I don't even know who his dad is, let alone have to read his nonsense in the papers.
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Mancini can’t be that busy this time of year..
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Pochettino or Tuchel.
Please not Emery.
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Emery is pretty good, isn't he?
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I'd love to be wrong but have a feeling we'll be disappointed if we think we'll be landing an MON style coup manager.
I've always felt Rodgers could do a good job for us but wonder if he's damaged goods. No to Bielsa, Frank - would almost rather someone more left field from Germany/Spain but that's failed before too.
We have everything you'd want as a manager if you knew you weren't getting a top 6 job - would take Poch in a heartbeat but Villa is a tough gig and I do wonder if our reputation as a career killer is so strong it put these candidates off.
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Actually, that reminds me. I'm gonna give our Bertrand a ring and see if he fancies coming back now the bloody Fun Police has fucked off. Good times are coming back.
Yes. Looking forward to see Traore, Guilbert and Sanson (even Naka to a degree despite his limitations) re-integrated and actually getting a chance to play. Is Bert gone til Jan or next season?
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Get ex River Plate player JP Angel to have a word with soon to leave Gallardo. Job's a gud'un.
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Pochettino or Tuchel.
Please not Emery.
What the guy who’s won more trophies than the other two put together?
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16/1 Sean Dyche? Phew!
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Emery is pretty good, isn't he?
You are awful, but I like you.
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Because we have left this situation drift out of control, we are now hiring for survival instead of ambition.
The writing was on the wall at the end of last season, The Bournemouth match and everything that went on then confirmed it.
Yet it has taken more money and more pain to turn the season into a relegation scrap.
What a fuckin way to run a Football club.
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Mancini can’t be that busy this time of year..
Oh yes please !
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Please a quality appointment.
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No to Frank or the Southampton Manager or any Manager who has done well at his current club for 1 season and is currently flavour of the month, and NO assistant Managers to Klopp or Guardiola etc...
We need the very best Manager available - the owners promised us the best when we got promoted, now is the time to show us - in the words of Big Ron "Don't tell me SHOW ME!"
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Lisandro Trusse 8/1
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I like Bielsa.
But these players aren’t cut out for working hard.
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A quality appointment who can create a coherent attacking structure and plan in the team. I’d be delighted with Pochettino, but would be amazed if it happened.
We don’t need some fucking relegation specialist - there is plenty of time and essentially a mini preseason coming up.
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Out of interest, I wonder who applied last time around but didn't get it?
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I know it's only a daft BBC poll, but as at 07:00 Sean Dyce is leading - who the hell has voted for that?
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I’d go balls out for Mancini.
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Out of interest, I wonder who applied last time around but didn't get it?
Dwight Yorke
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I know it's only a daft BBC poll, but as at 07:00 Sean Dyce is leading - who the hell has voted for that?
Salty Blues & WBA fans.
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
I'd have Bielsa and Rodgers in a higher separate group above Frank and the other one
I'd add Vieira to the list above Frank. However, in my opinion, it's time to being in a proven winner; whatever the cost of doing so. That means it has to be someone from CD's "Fuck, Yes" list.
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What if none of the managers you have listed want to come? It’s not the boards fault if they say thanks, no thanks. It’s not as simple as saying I want Pochettino, and that’s that.
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I know it's only a daft BBC poll, but as at 07:00 Sean Dyce is leading - who the hell has voted for that?
Salty Blues & WBA fans.
I wondered this, can they use the internet though?
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Summary for me:
THE VILLA, FUCK YEAH!
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Tuchel
Unai Emery
Antonio Conte (don't know why he would consider it, but just mentioning him because he is listed among the favourites so maybe someone knows something I don't)
Underwhelmed, but I suppose I would give them a chance
Thomas Frank
Ralph Hassenhuttl
Marcelo Bielsa
Brendan Rodgers
Seriously considering packing it in and spending my weekends doing heroin, instead
Sean Dyche
John Terry
Thierry Henry
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Michael Beale
Scott Parker
Dean Smith (sorry Deano, but it's time to move on)
I'd have Bielsa and Rodgers in a higher separate group above Frank and the other one
I think Rodgers is right where he is. Meh.
Bielsa would be my favourite out of the middle group. It could be brilliant, it could be disastrous. It wouldn't be boring. It would be like having Traore back, but in bucket-sitting manager form.
I agree with this list & also think, of the middle group, Bielsa would be top. Bielsa, Frank, Hassenhuttl, Rodgers - that order of preference.
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I know it's only a daft BBC poll, but as at 07:00 Sean Dyce is leading - who the hell has voted for that?
Salty Blues & WBA fans.
I wondered this, can they use the internet though?
If it involves Villa, they can do anything.
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Bielsa took a couple of years to get Leeds really firing, and we just haven't got that much time. Plus despite his reputation he's won pretty much fuck all anywhere despite a 30 year coaching career. And he doesn't speak English, and there's the bucket thing. No thank you very much.
I don't want Bielsa but suggesting he wasn't an instant success just isn't true. They were third in his first season and champions the following one.
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What if none of the managers you have listed want to come? It’s not the boards fault if they say thanks, no thanks. It’s not as simple as saying I want Pochettino, and that’s that.
It’s as simple as offering a massive wage and an enormous transfer budget. If either of those things aren’t offered we will get Brendan Rogers or Thomas Frank.
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Personally I don’t think it is. If he can wait for a club in a European competition rather than trying to build one who could be, might be a factor. Also what his wife family think. Wages at this level might not be a factor ( yes I know they won’t work for free) There could be a lot of factors to take into account
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Sacked on the same day Truss goes, can we make an appointment before the Tories elect their next simpleton?
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Personally I think we’ve probably already approached one or two including Poch
I would love him but I don’t think he will be persuaded to come, it’s worth a go though for those that say why would he come to Aston Villa one word - money
We are constantly told that money is taking over at Football look at Man City Chelsea Newcastle all there club profiles have changed because of it well we’re right up there because of our owners anything is possible
But I fear with Poch he’s holding out for something else
I think we will go all out for poch or maybe even to Tuchel get knockback and end up with Rogers and round and round we’ll go
Last night will be repeated again about a year/18 months from now, Unless the owners really don’t take no for an answer
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Personally I think we’ve probably already approached one or two including Poch
I would love him but I don’t think he will be persuaded to come, it’s worth a go though for those that say why would he come to Aston Villa one word - money
We are constantly told that money is taking over at Football look at Man City Chelsea Newcastle all there club profiles have changed because of it well we’re right up there because of our owners anything is possible
But I fear with Poch he’s holding out for something else
I think we will go all out for poch or maybe even to Tuchel get knockback and end up with Rogers and round and round we’ll go
Last night will be repeated again about a year/18 months from now, Unless the owners really don’t take no for an answer
Maybe we need a manager to take the next step and get us to a position where the likes Poch would be interested, similar to Spurs getting Conte, maybe Rodgers could do that.
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I can't stand Rodgers but I certainly understand why he'd be included in the list. Why would Hasenhüttl be though? Or even Frank? Unless staying up on a small budget is the goal.
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Personally I think we’ve probably already approached one or two including Poch
I would love him but I don’t think he will be persuaded to come, it’s worth a go though for those that say why would he come to Aston Villa one word - money
We are constantly told that money is taking over at Football look at Man City Chelsea Newcastle all there club profiles have changed because of it well we’re right up there because of our owners anything is possible
But I fear with Poch he’s holding out for something else
I think we will go all out for poch or maybe even to Tuchel get knockback and end up with Rogers and round and round we’ll go
Last night will be repeated again about a year/18 months from now, Unless the owners really don’t take no for an answer
Maybe we need a manager to take the next step and get us to a position where the likes Poch would be interested, similar to Spurs getting Conte, maybe Rodgers could do that.
Really, have you looked at the league table
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Beale now favourite. Pretty underwhelming if that happens, but at least he seems like an actual coach, who thinks about tactics and man management. But a little bizarre to go back there.
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Beale now favourite. Pretty underwhelming if that happens, but at least he seems like an actual coach, who thinks about tactics and man management. But a little bizarre to go back there.
Hope not. Another underwhelming inexperienced choice
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Beale now favourite.
And so it begins.
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An ambitious appointment with a proven record please.
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Personally I think we’ve probably already approached one or two including Poch
I would love him but I don’t think he will be persuaded to come, it’s worth a go though for those that say why would he come to Aston Villa one word - money
We are constantly told that money is taking over at Football look at Man City Chelsea Newcastle all there club profiles have changed because of it well we’re right up there because of our owners anything is possible
But I fear with Poch he’s holding out for something else
I think we will go all out for poch or maybe even to Tuchel get knockback and end up with Rogers and round and round we’ll go
Last night will be repeated again about a year/18 months from now, Unless the owners really don’t take no for an answer
Maybe we need a manager to take the next step and get us to a position where the likes Poch would be interested, similar to Spurs getting Conte, maybe Rodgers could do that.
Really, have you looked at the league table
I said “maybe” Rodgers, a manager who has managed in the premier league, won a trophy and has overall had a good career. I’m not saying he is the answer or should get the job, but these are the criteria I would look at. Of course only an opinion
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So who at the club will be the person picking up the phone to talk to prospective new managers and land them?
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If they sign Beale they can all fuck off.
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Fuck Ian Beale off.
Let’s get someone who has shown they can do this before.
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There's no way they'd go for Beale surely?
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He did an interview at QPR yesterday saying he turned Wolves down due to his loyalty to his QPR.
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I think once again H&V's ambition and cold hard reality are not going to overlap again.
We aren't a champions league team so how do you expect us to attract a champions league manager.
i do hope they don't go down the British dinosaur manager again ("someone who has dont it in the premier league"), but more realistically we should go for someone like Brighton did. An exciting up and coming tactic coach.
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The fact Gerrard went so quickly after the Fulham game makes me wonder if he was going whatever the result and someone has already been sorted
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Beale now favourite.
No he isn't. Pochettino still favourite but has drifted from odds-on to 3/1.
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Beale now favourite.
No he isn't. Pochettino still favourite but has drifted from odds-on to 3/1.
Skybet Beale's the favourite.
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Christ, Beale, really? I hope it's nonsense, because that would absolutely scream "there's no money, you're going to have to coach your way out of this."
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Oh bloody hell. I said last night, tongue in cheek, I wondered if he turned down Wolves because he fancied another job which would soon be available.
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Beale would make sense of the coaching side of the club was vaguely functional ..
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if its beale, all our worst fears are confirmed
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Christ, Beale, really? I hope it's nonsense, because that would absolutely scream "there's no money, you're going to have to coach your way out of this."
Yep. Completely this.
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Beale would make sense of the coaching side of the club was vaguely functional ..
Vaguely functional isn't going to keep us up though, and Beale was the coach when we struggled so badly at the end of last season.
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Not fucking Beale. Did we learn nothing from Little/Gregory? Why swap one inexperienced manager for another? It is lunacy.
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It’s surely just a fairly easy story isn’t it? He’s doing well and worked here recently, it’s probably just a few people putting some money on it.
Get Pochettino Villa - with Gerrard we went for profile, without a proven track record. We now need both.
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Not fucking Beale. Did we learn nothing from Little/Gregory? Why swap one inexperienced manager for another? It is lunacy.
Calm down, nothing has happened.
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I would take Frank or Rodgers if you are doing current Premier League managers.
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Not fucking Beale. Did we learn nothing from Little/Gregory? Why swap one inexperienced manager for another? It is lunacy.
Calm down, nothing has happened.
I know that. Simply making the point that it would be a daft and knee jerk appointment if it came to pass.
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I hope we aren't. Go massive or don't fucking bother, Villa. No more "he'll do" appointments.
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The fact Gerrard went so quickly after the Fulham game makes me wonder if he was going whatever the result and someone has already been sorted
And him picking a team that looked totally at odds with each other, disorganised, tactically inept and any changes just made it worse…Konsa at full back when we have Cash, keeping Bailey on when it’s obvious he’s a luxury at the moment, not playing Buendia when he provides energy, and persisting with some players when Archer is crying out for more than ten minutes and Chambers whose played well when picked…
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Beale now favourite.
No he isn't. Pochettino still favourite but has drifted from odds-on to 3/1.
Skybet Beale's the favourite.
Skybet
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Personally I think we’ve probably already approached one or two including Poch
I would love him but I don’t think he will be persuaded to come, it’s worth a go though for those that say why would he come to Aston Villa one word - money
We are constantly told that money is taking over at Football look at Man City Chelsea Newcastle all there club profiles have changed because of it well we’re right up there because of our owners anything is possible
But I fear with Poch he’s holding out for something else
I think we will go all out for poch or maybe even to Tuchel get knockback and end up with Rogers and round and round we’ll go
Last night will be repeated again about a year/18 months from now, Unless the owners really don’t take no for an answer
I have been saying for a few weeks now I can see us ending up with Rogers. I think he is angling for the sack at Leicester and we are the biggest club he will get.
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I would take Frank or Rodgers if you are doing current Premier League managers.
With Rodgers we'd be hoping we're the team to reignite his career. He's currently doing really badly with a team with attacking players like Tielemans, Barnes and Maddison in it.
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Betfair Odds:
Betfair Next Manager:
Manager Specials
Next Permanent Aston Villa Manager
Mauricio Pochettino1.57
Unai Emery6.0
Michael Beale7.5
Thomas Tuchel11.0
Thomas Frank11.0
Sean Dyche13.0
Ralph Hassenhuttl21.0
Marcelo Bielsa21.0
Kjetil Knudsen21.0
John Terry21.0
Scott Parker23.0
Chris Wilder26.0
Rafa Benitez26.0
Dean Smith26.0
Jose Mourinho41.0
Antonio Conte41.0
Erik ten Hag51.0
Steve Bruce67.0
Mauricio Pochettino - possibly the most likely of the "big names" to be persuadable to come? I have a bit of hope that our owners could sell the club (or their ambition) to him.
Unai Emery - seems to be very good in Spain, was a bit of a comedy figure at Arsenal (language issues a la Venglos?).
Michael Beale - this would seem to be a John Gregory to replace Brian Little type punt. I would be seriously underwhelmed/concerned considering how bad we were last season when he was here.
Thomas Tuchel - most likely would wait for a Champions League giant, seems less invested in the Premier League to me than Pochettino
Thomas Frank - I think Brentford's success is as much down to their data-driven system as it is the manager, so a gut-feel "no" from me (but his candidacy perhaps deserves better scrutiny).
Sean Dyche - I fear an Allardyce at Newcastle situation
Ralph Hassenhuttl - I'm not sure what to make of him, the fact that he's lasted so long at Southampton shows that he's got something about him but I can't say he's ever caught my eye (unlike his waistcoats)
Marcelo Bielsa - Fuck, yes please. It would be amazing whilst it lasted! Will never happen, am positive Purslow will consider him to be "too difficult".
Kjetil Knudsen - Norwegian league? This feels like a hipster's choice and I thought that was supposed to be Bo Svensson of Mainz.
John Terry - was it the loss of Terry or Richard O'Kelly that did for Dean Smith? No way the owners would let Purslow appoint a second "man-crush" surely.
Scott Parker - Gary O'Neill would be more likely.
Chris Wilder - there was a time that I would have jumped for him, but he's gone a bit Neil Warnock now.
Rafa Benitez - the owners' might have to remove Purslow first.
Dean Smith - never go back (see Graham Taylor II).
Jose Mourinho, Antonio Conte and Erik ten Hag - currently employed, don't understand why they are listed.
Steve Bruce - I assume this is one of those comedy odds (like Dwight Yorke).
Some managers not mentioned: Roberto Martinez and Gareth Southgate - these would depend on the owners' waiting until after the World Cup and could be somewhat tarnished by then by poor showings at the tournament. Put a gun to my head and I'd have Martinez over Southgate.
In summary, I think the owners have to move heaven and earth to get Pochettino, anyone else obtainable feels like a gamble. However those odds have a very English-centric feel to them and there must be a host of quality Italian, Spanish, German, etc managers out there with Champions League pedigree.
Edit: just realised that Brendon Rodgers is missing from those odds. He has some merit if you look at his career from a longer perspective than his team's recent form.
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If we can't get an elite manager, I'd rather we went for someone like Frank who seems on the way up than Rodgers who appears on the way down. Though I'd rather we appointed neither and just go for someone elite and sexy.
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I hope we aren't. Go massive or don't fucking bother, Villa. No more "he'll do" appointments.
When was the last time we did that? O'Neill? Atkinson? We have a history of underwhelming managerial appointments spanning different owners.
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Beale is favourite on Paddy Power at 9/4, followed by Poch at 11/4. Hopefully it's just as a result of punters lumping on Beale because of the Villa connection.
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I would take Frank or Rodgers if you are doing current Premier League managers.
With Rodgers we'd be hoping we're the team to reignite his career. He's currently doing really badly with a team with attacking players like Tielemans, Barnes and Maddison in it.
But doing as well as us. His defence is shit and they sold out half of his squad from under him this summer.
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I would take Frank or Rodgers if you are doing current Premier League managers.
With Rodgers we'd be hoping we're the team to reignite his career. He's currently doing really badly with a team with attacking players like Tielemans, Barnes and Maddison in it.
But doing as well as us. His defence is shit and they sold out half of his squad from under him this summer.
Actually even worse than us with 8 points. And the only players of note they sold were Schmeichel and Fofana.
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We’ll make all the right noises to Poch and end up with Frank.
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
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The quality of coaches of Portugese and German would provide organisation and systems that I think would bring a solidarity and improvement . They also have football intelligence and an understanding far outreaching Gerrard.
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My gut feel is that it will be Dyche.
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We’ll make all the right noises to Poch and end up with Frank.
Every time I read Frank I think Lampard!
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My gut feel is that it will be Dyche.
Good. I could do with saving myself about a grand a year. That would be the end for me, I reckon our mate Fred might get to see his beloved "Waiting List" put to the test, too.
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Tuchel has stated that he wouldn't be interested
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Tuchel has stated that he wouldn't be interested
To add source
To what Talk Sport reported reading out a tweet by Matt Law.
"Any attempt by Aston Villa to speak with Thomas Tuchel over their vacant job will be met with a polite ‘no’. He’s not interested - even if big wages and money on offer"
(Matt Law is of the Daily Telegraph who broke news the other day SG job was hanging by a thread)
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You’d have thought with the situation we were in, other managers have already been sounded out over the past few weeks. I’d be amazed and worried if we didn’t make a quick appointment.
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Tuchel has stated that he wouldn't be interested
well he can fuck off then, the cyborg looking twat
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
I am not saying he is the answer but if we are picking from a shallow pool.....
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
I am not saying he is the answer but if we are picking from a shallow pool.....
Shallow !! That would mean the fuckin waterhole has dried up
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Tuchel has stated that he wouldn't be interested
To add source
To what Talk Sport reported reading out a tweet by Matt Law.
"Any attempt by Aston Villa to speak with Thomas Tuchel over their vacant job will be met with a polite ‘no’. He’s not interested - even if big wages and money on offer"
(Matt Law is of the Daily Telegraph who broke news the other day SG job was hanging by a thread)
also a Villa fan and good bloke
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Didn't think Tuchel would be the guy anyway. He'll feel like he's done his time project-building, now just wants an easy berth in whatever Champions League perennial is having what it pleases them to call a crisis that month.
Pochettino, I think it's unlikely, but he is more of a longtermist, more of a guy of big plans, and as such he's far more likely to look at Villa, look at the upsides and think 'I could be the absolute man here.'
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
I am not saying he is the answer but if we are picking from a shallow pool.....
Shallow !! That would mean the fuckin waterhole has dried up
Do you honestly think Tuchel or Pochettino would take this shit show on?
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Betfair Sportsbook:
Michael Beale 9/4
Mauricio Pochettino 11/4
Thomas Frank 7/2
Sean Dyche 11/2
Unai Emery 6/1
Rafa Benitez 14/1
Kjetil Knudsen 20/1
Julen Lopetegui 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 25/1
Scott Parker 25/1
Brendan Rodgers 25/1
Marcelo Gallardo 25/1
Some very worrying names in this list, but it really couldn't have got any worse. I do agree with the sentiment though, now is the time to try and make the statement. There is no denying our profile this season seems to be higher than our performances deserve (on radio especially), keeping that prominence with an established (and good) coach / manager would be the way to go.
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Dyche can fuck off to West Brom.
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I think Pochettino might. Ancelotti managed Everton, Bielsa went to second division Leeds.
If the people doing the recruiting are doing their job, we should be able to appoint someone of his calibre.
The World Cup break helps too, I reckon. Plenty of time to identify targets.
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
I am not saying he is the answer but if we are picking from a shallow pool.....
Shallow !! That would mean the fuckin waterhole has dried up
Do you honestly think Tuchel or Pochettino would take this shit show on?
No clearly not.
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I think Pochettino might. Ancelotti managed Everton, Bielsa went to second division Leeds.
If the people doing the recruiting are doing their job, we should be able to appoint someone of his calibre.
The World Cup break helps too, I reckon. Plenty of time to identify targets.
Everything points to Pochettino being the one to target, despite the fact that many in the media believe he has little chance of becoming the next manager of the Villa.
There are only four matches left before the World Cup.
Sunday might be too early.
It is critical to have a manager in place for Newcastle's away game. Then it's Manchester United at home and Brighton on the road.
Unless we announce a short-term management team until the season break and then bring in a manager, an announcement must be made sooner rather than later. So we all know wjete we are at.
We could hire any manager from an English club outside of the Premier League.
And several outside of top 6 would switch from current Premier League clubs to Villa.
That is the standing of Aston Villa, but aside from Dean Smith, I do not have any current candidates I would take from current lower league English clubs.
But Pochettino fits the bill and is avaliable.
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Fucking Beale? Fuck off! 😂 We really have given up if that's the best we can do.
Don't want Frank either, like someone else said he's got a whiff of Lambert about him.
Potter would've been realistic and a good fit but we missed that one. I'm a bit worried about who we'll end up with next, I can see it being really underwhelming and depressing.
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Didn't think Tuchel would be the guy anyway. He'll feel like he's done his time project-building, now just wants an easy berth in whatever Champions League perennial is having what it pleases them to call a crisis that month.
Pochettino, I think it's unlikely, but he is more of a longtermist, more of a guy of big plans, and as such he's far more likely to look at Villa, look at the upsides and think 'I could be the absolute man here.'
This is my hope.
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I can’t believe people are getting so understandably annoyed we are 17th after a spell with a hated manager but genuinely thinking it’d be a good move to go for another manager hated by his fan base who is currently in 19th.
I am not saying he is the answer but if we are picking from a shallow pool.....
Shallow !! That would mean the fuckin waterhole has dried up
Do you honestly think Tuchel or Pochettino would take this shit show on?
I dont.
Emery might be a possibility. I would love that.
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Betfair Sportsbook:
Michael Beale 9/4
Mauricio Pochettino 11/4
Thomas Frank 7/2
Sean Dyche 11/2
Unai Emery 6/1
Rafa Benitez 14/1
Kjetil Knudsen 20/1
Julen Lopetegui 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 25/1
Scott Parker 25/1
Brendan Rodgers 25/1
Marcelo Gallardo 25/1
Some very worrying names in this list, but it really couldn't have got any worse. I do agree with the sentiment though, now is the time to try and make the statement. There is no denying our profile this season seems to be higher than our performances deserve (on radio especially), keeping that prominence with an established (and good) coach / manager would be the way to go.
where is Alan Curbishley ??
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I think the media has, generally, been quite positive about the chances of us appointing someone like Pochettino this time. It's our own fans that insist on talking us down.
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If we can't get the best available, or make him available, then I'd prefer we got someone in on a short term, keep us up deal until the right man is found. We have good players, who've been coached and organised badly - let's get them playing to a system that works and get us up the table and all of a sudden, we become a more attractive option.
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Just heard on Talksport (yes, I know) that Tuchel has stated that he wouldn't be interested
well he can fuck off then, the cyborg looking twat
Yeah, always thought he was a w.ank.er
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If Poch said yes but not till the world cup for example, i would put Critchley in charge for the next month. Blackpool fans thought he was tactically very good, so without Gerrard he might not be too bad as an interim.
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You’d have thought with the situation we were in, other managers have already been sounded out over the past few weeks. I’d be amazed and worried if we didn’t make a quick appointment.
I'm with you on that
No point hanging around especially if Critchley and Mcallister take over.
However depending how Critchley was with Gerrard he may be able to implement his own ideas rather than the yes man he is.
Mcallister just seems to be one of those guys whos been in football and isn't anything special I mean why hasn't he gone and tried being a manager himself.
Just sits on bench and doesnt seem to have much about him on observations.
I can't imagine he looks much into data and seems to be someone who only knows football in his life so stayed in the game without much thought but offers little other than he was apparently a good player in his day.
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Obviously I'd like Poch.
But whilst he's not my first (or second) choice, I'm wondering why there's so much negativity over Frank? He's done a great job at Brentford, they play decent stuff and 4-3-3 which suits us.
I personally don't like the idea of going back to them and funding their next few years in the PL, but it would be a decent apoinment assuming we get the staff too. The real coup would be securing the recruitment team.
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It has to be someone who makes people take us seriously
Anything less and people will stop believing any of the ambition talk
Last time we could have got away with appointing a Frank type person but we spun the wheel on Steven and now we can’t show anything less than absolute ambition
I agree with this. It needs someone who's done something of note, that isn't avoiding relegation.
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Betfair Sportsbook:
Michael Beale 9/4
Mauricio Pochettino 11/4
Thomas Frank 7/2
Sean Dyche 11/2
Unai Emery 6/1
Rafa Benitez 14/1
Kjetil Knudsen 20/1
Julen Lopetegui 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 25/1
Scott Parker 25/1
Brendan Rodgers 25/1
Marcelo Gallardo 25/1
Some very worrying names in this list, but it really couldn't have got any worse. I do agree with the sentiment though, now is the time to try and make the statement. There is no denying our profile this season seems to be higher than our performances deserve (on radio especially), keeping that prominence with an established (and good) coach / manager would be the way to go.
where is Alan Curbishley ??
And Bob Bradley.
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Frank would be a clear upgrade on Gerrard, of course, appointing someone because they've been good at the actual job on offer rather than some other, tangentially-related job, that they have the requirements to do it well rather than 'star vibes'. Still would rather we went more ambitious, more top level.
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It has to be someone who makes people take us seriously
Anything less and people will stop believing any of the ambition talk
Last time we could have got away with appointing a Frank type person but we spun the wheel on Steven and now we can’t show anything less than absolute ambition
I agree with this. It needs someone who's done something of note, that isn't avoiding relegation.
re Frank - I don't think taking another PL teams highly regarded manager when they're doing well is any sort of Mickey Mouse apppointment. If he was managing in Germany or Spain and achived what he has for a small club people would be calling it a very astute appointment. I think the familiarity makes people overlook just what a fantastic job he has done and is doing there.
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Frank is suited to Brentford because of the system.
If Frank is in the frame - brought in By Dean Smith to Brentford ' then Deano should be!
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We need a new medical team as well. We have a habit of buying new players on the verge of a breakdown!! Not impact injuries, just wear and tear.
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Kjetil Knudsen is a really strange one on that list, where has that come from?
As an aside I've met him a few times when he was managing at Asane (who were norwegian 3rd division at the time and I lived not far from their ground), always came across as a good guy to be fair.
In order:
Poch
Emery
Tuchel
If we can't get any of them then I'd skip all the other established names and go for someone like Amorim or Svensson, both are very early in their careers but look like they'll be top managers going forward.
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I think some folk are understandibly Brentford wary, given they seem to constantly have our trousers down in deals. Plus, we'd appoint Frank and they'd just go and get someone better for less.
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From the club Facebook page:
Aston Villa can confirm Gary McAllister, Neil Critchley, Tom Culshaw, Jordan Milsom and Scott Mason have all left the club following the departure of Head Coach Steven Gerrard.
The Club would like to place on record its appreciation to them for their hard work and wish them well for the future.
First-team coach Aaron Danks will take charge of the team for Sunday’s Premier League match against Brentford at Villa Park and will be supported by additional Bodymoor Heath technical and coaching staff.
CEO Christian Purslow said: “The Board has come to this decision following a full evaluation of results and performances over the calendar year. We were clear when we appointed Steven that we set an objective of continuous improvement but that has not been achieved despite everybody’s best efforts and we believe the time is right to make these changes now.
“The process of appointing a new Head Coach is underway and we will update supporters as soon as possible.”
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From the club Facebook page:
Aston Villa can confirm Gary McAllister, Neil Critchley, Tom Culshaw, Jordan Milsom and Scott Mason have all left the club following the departure of Head Coach Steven Gerrard.
The Club would like to place on record its appreciation to them for their hard work and wish them well for the future.
First-team coach Aaron Danks will take charge of the team for Sunday’s Premier League match against Brentford at Villa Park and will be supported by additional Bodymoor Heath technical and coaching staff.
CEO Christian Purslow said: “The Board has come to this decision following a full evaluation of results and performances over the calendar year. We were clear when we appointed Steven that we set an objective of continuous improvement but that has not been achieved despite everybody’s best efforts and we believe the time is right to make these changes now.
“The process of appointing a new Head Coach is underway and we will update supporters as soon as possible.”
Danks and McPhee masterclass incoming on Sunday then
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I think some folk are understandibly Brentford wary, given they seem to constantly have our trousers down in deals. Plus, we'd appoint Frank and they'd just go and get someone better for less.
Yep, this is very true. What a brilliantly run club they are.
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We need a new medical team as well. We have a habit of buying new players on the verge of a breakdown!! Not impact injuries, just wear and tear.
Jordan Milsom sacked.
The head of fitness and conditioning was a rehab fitness coach at Liverpool's Academy for eight years, which is how he knows Gerrard (the player and coach). Moved with him to Rangers
A yes man to Gerrard
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Frank is suited to Brentford because of the system.
If Frank is in the frame - brought in By Dean Smith to Brentford ' then Deano should be!
So he can finish the relegation he started? How poetic.
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Danks always struck me as alright, in among the horror. Not a terrible caretaker option on the face of things.
Maybe we should just ask Brentford who they'd go for if they lost Franks, then go for them instead.
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From the club Facebook page:
Aston Villa can confirm Gary McAllister, Neil Critchley, Tom Culshaw, Jordan Milsom and Scott Mason have all left the club following the departure of Head Coach Steven Gerrard.
The Club would like to place on record its appreciation to them for their hard work and wish them well for the future.
First-team coach Aaron Danks will take charge of the team for Sunday’s Premier League match against Brentford at Villa Park and will be supported by additional Bodymoor Heath technical and coaching staff.
CEO Christian Purslow said: “The Board has come to this decision following a full evaluation of results and performances over the calendar year. We were clear when we appointed Steven that we set an objective of continuous improvement but that has not been achieved despite everybody’s best efforts and we believe the time is right to make these changes now.
“The process of appointing a new Head Coach is underway and we will update supporters as soon as possible.”
Blimey, owners clearly not happy!
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Betfair Sportsbook:
Michael Beale 9/4
Mauricio Pochettino 11/4
Thomas Frank 7/2
Sean Dyche 11/2
Unai Emery 6/1
Rafa Benitez 14/1
Kjetil Knudsen 20/1
Julen Lopetegui 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 25/1
Scott Parker 25/1
Brendan Rodgers 25/1
Marcelo Gallardo 25/1
Some very worrying names in this list, but it really couldn't have got any worse. I do agree with the sentiment though, now is the time to try and make the statement. There is no denying our profile this season seems to be higher than our performances deserve (on radio especially), keeping that prominence with an established (and good) coach / manager would be the way to go.
where is Alan Curbishley ??
And Bob Bradley.
And Tuchel?
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Danks always struck me as alright, in among the horror. Not a terrible caretaker option on the face of things.
Maybe we should just ask Brentford who they'd go for if they lost Franks, then go for them instead.
Can we not just buy Brentford? Nobody would miss them really, there's already Palace, QPR, Charlton, Fulham, and Milwall down there that are of a similar stature and size, clubs always in and around the Premier League that have won the square root of fuck all between them.
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Time to get serious, really get on the front foot, offer Poch whatever he wants outlay of money and forward thinking plans. Fly out and talk to him and don't leave without him saying "yes" to the job. Not only is he an exceptional manager but seems a good fit for the club.
Seriously, enough of this pissfarting around. The club needs to stop accepting mediocrity and really act it's size, both financially and in stature rather than questioning it and relying upon the Saunders/Barton era to carry the weight of it's reputation, fuck the Londoners too. It's time Villa showed that big dick energy clubs in the capital do when landing players, names, managers, whoever. It's time the owners/CEO got serious, really assert themselves, sells it to the best man for the job, goes out and lands him.
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Danks always struck me as alright, in among the horror. Not a terrible caretaker option on the face of things.
Maybe we should just ask Brentford who they'd go for if they lost Franks, then go for them instead.
Danks has a decent track record as an on-the-training-field coach.
I note that Free Kick Wanker isn't in the binned list.
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Danks always struck me as alright, in among the horror. Not a terrible caretaker option on the face of things.
Him and McPhee have already had two managers in a season and a half. We obviously don't know what their daily contribution is, but it's not been great since they came in.
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I’m hoping if they have sacked all the coaching staff they have a completely new team in the pipeline. But there again that could just be literally a pipe dream
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On the evidence of the last 12 months having no coaching team would be better than the one we employed, the more we were coached the worse we got.
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On the evidence of the last 12 months having no coaching team would be better than the one we employed, the more we were coached the worse we got.
Very true
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Out of interest, I wonder who applied last time around but didn't get it?
Dwight Yorke. Ditto for every time we've changed managers in the last ten years.
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Would have thought they would have kept McAllister and Critchley on until a successor was found. Unless they've already got someone lined up.
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Good they have all left. Far too much Gerrard worship.
Critchley knows Gerrard from his time at Liverpool's Academy, where he was U18s and U23 boss.
McAlisster Played alongside Gerrard at Liverpool and became his assistant at Rangers,
Techincal Coach
Tom Culshaw :Was an Academy player at Liverpool alongside Gerrard but ultimately failed to make the grade. Moved into coaching and assisted his friend with the U18s before moving with him to Rangers. Gerrard has said: “When I started out full-time as an apprentice, Tommy was a year above me so I know everything about him and he knows everything about me. I thought he was the perfect partner to go into it.”
Head of Fitness and Conditioning
Jordan Milsom
Was a rehab fitness coach at Liverpool's Academy for eight years, which is how he knows Gerrard (the player and coach). Moved with him to Rangers and now Villa
Lead Analyst
Scott Mason
Worked at Liverpool as a performance analyst for almost seven years, which is how he knows Gerrard. Moved with him to Rangers and then Villa.
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Would have thought they would have kept McAllister and Critchley on until a successor was found. Unless they've already got someone lined up.
Yeah, I think the mass binnings this morning suggests they've got someone lined up already.
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Dave Woodhall would get my vote as new manager. He eats, sleeps and drinks Aston Villa and has a great insight into every match we play.
With the backing and ideas of the H & V posters, Villa might head in the right direction.
Management by fan based social media. In this crazy, ever evolving world we live in, you just never know.
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I'd tell the players we'll play 4-4-2 on Sunday, do a few rondos, a bit of 5 a side and then go for a few pints after in the Dog & Doublet.
I reckon we'd look miles better than last night.
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Dave Woodhall would get my vote as new manager. He eats, sleeps and drinks Aston Villa and has a great insight into every match we play.
With the backing and ideas of the H & V posters, Villa might head in the right direction.
Management by fan based social media. In this crazy, ever evolving world we live in, you just never know.
We desperately need to spend money and you want Dave Woodhall?
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I'd tell the players we'll play 4-4-2 on Sunday, do a few rondos, a bit of 5 a side and then go for a few pints after in the Dog & Doublet.
I reckon we'd look miles better than last night.
You forgot the bit about rolling their sleeves up
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Dave Woodhall would get my vote as new manager. He eats, sleeps and drinks Aston Villa and has a great insight into every match we play.
With the backing and ideas of the H & V posters, Villa might head in the right direction.
Management by fan based social media. In this crazy, ever evolving world we live in, you just never know.
We desperately need to spend money and you want Dave Woodhall?
Would make Doug look like Viv Nicholsen
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Would have thought they would have kept McAllister and Critchley on until a successor was found. Unless they've already got someone lined up.
Yeah, I think the mass binnings this morning suggests they've got someone lined up already.
I suspect it’s just an out with the cause of our problems, anyone connected to Gerrard. I dont see it as anything but this
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My gut feel is that it will be Dyche.
Same here, and I think he would do better than many people expect. However I would like it to be a 'statement' appointment like Poch as if it's Dyche there will be toxicity in the air (aimed at him, Purslow and the owners) before he's even managed a game.
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We need to break the mould of getting promising or up & coming manager's and get the real thing.
It's the same with the players, buying the best players from the championship or the equivalent gets you the bottom half of the premier league.
If we stick with the way we've done things over the last 12 years we're always at risk of it failing or underperforming. If we're serious about being a top 8 club, we need a top 8 manager. Not taking a punt on someone who's done well at a lesser club.
Sadly I doubt Pochettino or Tuchel will be interested.
Bielsa would be interesting, either brilliant or a disaster.
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Beale and Frank would just be more of the same: asking a guy with no experience of managing a big Premier League club to try to get it into Europe, and not even from a great starting position. We don't just need someone better than Gerrard, we need someone miles better than him, and with considerably more experience than Beale and Frank. Beale has 16 matches of managerial experience, none of them in the PL. It's insanity to even consider him.
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It has to be someone who makes people take us seriously
Anything less and people will stop believing any of the ambition talk
Last time we could have got away with appointing a Frank type person but we spun the wheel on Steven and now we can’t show anything less than absolute ambition
I agree with this. It needs someone who's done something of note, that isn't avoiding relegation.
re Frank - I don't think taking another PL teams highly regarded manager when they're doing well is any sort of Mickey Mouse apppointment. If he was managing in Germany or Spain and achived what he has for a small club people would be calling it a very astute appointment. I think the familiarity makes people overlook just what a fantastic job he has done and is doing there.
We've seen this kind of appointment before. Yes, Frank is doing well at Brentford, but doing well for Brentford is finishing mid-table. That is all he has achieved so far and although it's obviously better than where we currently are, it would just smack of another Paul Lambert type of appointment.
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Please no to Dyche either, 4-4-2 dinosaur (from memory)
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Bielsa would be interesting, either brilliant or a disaster.
Doubt he'd come anyway as he'd probably want to 'stay classy' and not manage against Leeds.
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/former-leeds-united-boss-marcelo-25291392
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I think they need someone who shows we are really serious.
The last appointment has set us back at least two years and we cant afford any further setbacks
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If they appointed Dyche, that would be it for me, I'd find something else to waste all my time and emotion on.
Would be the ultimate sign we'd given up.
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Evening Standard reporting with melodramatic confidence that Poch would say no.
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Poch or Tuchel for me. Anyone else on the list I can see the same thing happening again, new manager bounce, players get comfy, results start to slip, running stats drop off a cliff, suddenly its October 2023 and we're looking for a new manager again.
I don't know why I believe Poch or Tuchel would be different I just do, maybe they'd complete the usual Villa manager 3 year lifecycle instead?
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It's going to be Dyche isn't it. I've got a horrible feeling.
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How would you spin the aim of Europe and a 50,000 ground with Dyche as manager? You couldn't, it would be taking people for fools and I'd take any further spiel from the club as bollocks and not buy in to it anymore.
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It's going to be Dyche isn't it. I've got a horrible feeling.
You and me both. On the plus side it's not Big Sam.
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Evening Standard reporting with melodramatic confidence that Poch would say no.
Fucking BOOOOOO.
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It has to be someone who makes people take us seriously
Anything less and people will stop believing any of the ambition talk
Last time we could have got away with appointing a Frank type person but we spun the wheel on Steven and now we can’t show anything less than absolute ambition
I agree with this. It needs someone who's done something of note, that isn't avoiding relegation.
re Frank - I don't think taking another PL teams highly regarded manager when they're doing well is any sort of Mickey Mouse apppointment. If he was managing in Germany or Spain and achived what he has for a small club people would be calling it a very astute appointment. I think the familiarity makes people overlook just what a fantastic job he has done and is doing there.
We've seen this kind of appointment before. Yes, Frank is doing well at Brentford, but doing well for Brentford is finishing mid-table. That is all he has achieved so far and although it's obviously better than where we currently are, it would just smack of another Paul Lambert type of appointment.
Before Poch went to Spurs he was at Southampton.
I know what you mean re Lambert, but top managers have to come from somewhere and if we can't get someone right at the top then we have to identify those who would be a safe bet and with potential to get there. Frank is by no means my first choice, but he does seem to have done an excellent job at Brentford. And don't forget he was the coach behind Smith's success there, so at least you know you are getting someone with a tactical brain.
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Would have thought they would have kept McAllister and Critchley on until a successor was found. Unless they've already got someone lined up.
Not on the basis of the portrait of bereft cluelessness they brought to the bench last night.
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Would have thought they would have kept McAllister and Critchley on until a successor was found. Unless they've already got someone lined up.
Yeah, I think the mass binnings this morning suggests they've got someone lined up already.
I think it's more the understandable urge to evict all manifestations of the Gerrard experience from the club asap.
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Someone like Emery would obviously, obviously be a fine, normal, competent appointment.
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Telegraph has Mauricio Pochettino, Thomas Frank, Ruben Amorim and Sean Dyche as the candidates.
Had never heard of Amorin, but looks like has done a good job in Portugal.
Please not Dyche, although I have a nasty feeling it will be.
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I think the wording "Aaron Danks will take charge of our match against Brentford" suggests we have nobody lined up. It would have been "Aaron Danks has taken charge of first team affairs" or something like that, if we had.
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Why the fuck would Dyche even be a candidate. Don't even think about it, Villa.
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Nobody is lined up and the sacking wasn't Purslow's decision.
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The list should be
Pochettino
Mancini
That bloke from River Plate.
If the owners ambition is Europe then start paying serious money for the best appointment and as Risso said earlier at least £150m+ over the next two windows to upgrade the first team.
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I really don’t want it, but I can see it being Dyche.
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I think we have someone lined up - you wouldn't sack off everyone otherwise - certainly not Critchley yet.
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I think the wording "Aaron Danks will take charge of our match against Brentford" suggests we have nobody lined up. It would have been "Aaron Danks has taken charge of first team affairs" or something like that, if we had.
Some managers rarely come in and take charge straight away. They tend to sit in the stand and access things.
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I really don’t want it, but I can see it being Dyche.
That would be death of the dream
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What are the thoughts on Unai Emery? Didn't have a good time at Arsenal, but a proven track record in Spain.
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Dyche would be a pathetic appointment.
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I think the wording "Aaron Danks will take charge of our match against Brentford" suggests we have nobody lined up. It would have been "Aaron Danks has taken charge of first team affairs" or something like that, if we had.
Some managers rarely come in and take charge straight away. They tend to sit in the stand and access things.
Whoever it is, I hope they don't try to 'access' a drink and a pie at half time.
*wink*
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Yes, maybe. I still don't think we have anyone lined up. It took us a little while to appoint Gerrard last time, and somebody in the know would have put serious cash on and spooked the bookies if someone was on his way.
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What are the thoughts on Unai Emery? Didn't have a good time at Arsenal, but a proven track record in Spain.
Would be very happy with Emery.
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i have a feeling it will be Frank from Brentford (i do hope not)
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Telegraph has Mauricio Pochettino, Thomas Frank, Ruben Amorim and Sean Dyche as the candidates.
Had never heard of Amorin, but looks like has done a good job in Portugal.
Please not Dyche, although I have a nasty feeling it will be.
Importantly they say that these are 'among' the candidates, which is some quality arse-covering.
Of them, Pochettino would obviously be the stellar appointment, Amorim would be interesting, Frank would be underwhelming and Dyche would make me stop following football.
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What are the thoughts on Unai Emery? Didn't have a good time at Arsenal, but a proven track record in Spain.
Would be very happy with Emery.
oh you are awful , but i do like you
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Telegraph has Mauricio Pochettino, Thomas Frank, Ruben Amorim and Sean Dyche as the candidates.
Had never heard of Amorin, but looks like has done a good job in Portugal.
Please not Dyche, although I have a nasty feeling it will be.
Importantly they say that these are 'among' the candidates, which is some quality arse-covering.
Of them, Pochettino would obviously be the stellar appointment, Amorim would be interesting, Frank would be underwhelming and Dyche would make me stop following football.
Yeah that's about right.
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I'd like Tuchel but I get the impression that he is holding out for a CL club
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In the meantime I'm winding up the Palace fans at work telling them that we're going to pinch Vieira...
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In the meantime I'm winding up the Palace fans at work telling them that we're going to pinch Vieira...
Good man.
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If you want something ridiculous, left field, would never happen and would be a daft appointment.... I know that Mike Duff has asked about it.
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The issue with Frank is that he fits the Brentford system and has been inside that club for a while. Brentford are a superbly run club who groom their coaches from within. They have a long term vision and it works. I fear Frank would be another eaten up by our club.
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i have a feeling it will be Frank from Brentford (i do hope not)
We more often than not seem to go for pinching managers from smaller, overachieving clubs. Sometimes it works (Taylor), sometimes it, er, doesn't (Lambert)...
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The issue with Frank is that he fits the Brentford system and has been inside that club for a while. Brentford are a superbly run club who groom their coaches from within. They have a long term vision and it works. I fear Frank would be another eaten up by our club.
With all due respect to them, making a club like Brentford overachieve is a different kettle from getting the best out of the likes of Villa
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If you want something ridiculous, left field, would never happen and would be a daft appointment.... I know that Mike Duff has asked about it.
I don't know if this is a wind up as have literally no idea who that is.
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i have a feeling it will be Frank from Brentford (i do hope not)
We more often than not seem to go for pinching managers from smaller, overachieving clubs. Sometimes it works (Taylor), sometimes it, er, doesn't (Lambert)...
The difference there is Taylor had about 15 years of outstanding work at lesser clubs behind him
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Until Dyche is out of the picture entirely I can't relax.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
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If you want something ridiculous, left field, would never happen and would be a daft appointment.... I know that Mike Duff has asked about it.
I don't know if this is a wind up as have literally no idea who that is.
Same here, wiki tells me he’s Barnsley’s manager
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The Athletic reporting Poch is going to say no because he wants to return at a higher level. Also, Frank expected to stay at Brentford. They seem fairly keen to play up the Amorim link.
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The Athletic reporting Poch is going to say no because he wants to return at a higher level. Also, Frank expected to stay at Brentford. They seem fairly keen to play up the Amorim link.
Ruben Amorim is among the candidates Aston Villa are speaking to about replacing Steven Gerrard.
Villa are looking for a new manager after Gerrard was relieved of his duties following a 3-0 defeat at Fulham on Thursday.
Sporting manager Amorim, 37, is widely regarded as one of the most talented young managers in Europe. The former Portugal international led Sporting to their first league title in 19 years in 2020-21, leading to him being named the Primeira Liga’s manager of the season.
He also oversaw an impressive 2-0 victory over Tottenham Hotspur in this season’s Champions League.
Mauricio Pochettino is currently not open to replacing Gerrard at Aston Villa, however. The Argentine would rather wait for an opportunity to return to management at a higher level.
As uncertainty grew around Gerrard’s future, it is believed Villa gauged Pochettino’s interest and were made aware of the Argentine’s intentions — which are not thought to have changed.
Thomas Tuchel, who won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2020-21, is another coach that greatly appeals to Aston Villa, for obvious reasons.
But like Pochettino, Tuchel is not interested in a move to Villa park.
Villa are also among a number of clubs interested in the Brentford manager Thomas Frank.
Brentford, however, are optimistic that the 49-year-old will remain at the club, who are 10th in the Premier League.
Villa currently sit just one place outside the Premier League relegation zone, having collected nine points from 11 games this season.
They last played in Europe in the 2010-11 season playing under caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald, when they were eliminated at the playoff stage of the Europa League by Austrian side Rapid Wien.
In contrast, Pochettino has managed in the Champions League for the past six seasons.
The 50-year-old was most recently employed by Paris Saint-Germain where he won the Ligue 1 title in 2021-22 with a side containing Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappe.
He previously enjoyed a successful five years in north London with Tottenham Hotspur, leading the club to the Champions League final in 2019, which they lost to Liverpool.
Pochettino has been approached by 14-time Champions League winners Real Madrid on three occasions, meanwhile, most recently in the summer of 2021 before the Spanish side eventually appointed Carlo Ancelotti.
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Looks like Poch is out
Think we may be in a real bit of trouble here
Dyche til end of the season is where my money is
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If that is true - that would be amazing. He was widely touted as a replacement for Pep at City. Highly rated.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If that is true - that would be amazing. He was widely touted as a replacement for Pep at City. Highly rated.
Got knocked out of Europe by Steven fucking Gerrard!
That indiscretion aside, he does seem very highly rated so wouldn't mind this at all. He would cost a few quid, too (Sporting paid the third-largest compensation fee in history to get him from Braga), but I don't mind that as would allay the fears of some fans (okay, mainly Risso) that the money tap has been turned off.
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If you want something ridiculous, left field, would never happen and would be a daft appointment.... I know that Mike Duff has asked about it.
I don't know if this is a wind up as have literally no idea who that is.
I read that as Larry Duff!
He's current Barnsley manager. Was at Cheltenham Town last few years and got them promoted. Promising manager but even a mid table championship club would consider him a gamble at this point in time.
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If you want something ridiculous, left field, would never happen and would be a daft appointment.... I know that Mike Duff has asked about it.
I don't know if this is a wind up as have literally no idea who that is.
I read that as Larry Duff!
He's current Barnsley manager. Was at Cheltenham Town last few years and got them promoted. Promising manager but even a mid table championship club would consider him a gamble at this point in time.
Thanks. Solid thanks but no thanks, then. If he gets Barnstoneworth into the top flight and keeps them there, maybe we might talk.
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He's very intriguing but he's never spent a day outside of Portugal barring a cup of tea in Qatar at the end of his playing career. Represents an interesting risk.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If were going to take another punt, at least do it with some fancy Portuguese bloke that plays sexy football. I'll settle for this.
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Portugese managers are very effective and some of the best coaches and tactics out there. It would be inspire benefit of Amorim who would bring a touch of intelligence and abilities to develop and have players performing as well as known how in the current sporting director set-up
He would work to a system and would set the team up accordingly.
I'm all for him.
Lets go Ruben
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If were going to take another punt, at least do it with some fancy Portuguese bloke that plays sexy football. I'll settle for this.
Post match interviews with an interpreter. Very exotic.
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If they appointed Dyche, that would be it for me, I'd find something else to waste all my time and emotion on.
Would be the ultimate sign we'd given up.
Yep there would be thousands taking a sabbatical.
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Did Mick Beale turn down Wolves because someone here has given him a heads up?!
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I have no idea whether he's any cop, but Amorim is interesting for two reasons: he might bring a load of Portuguese wonderkids in, and he's not Sean Dyche.
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I have no idea whether he's any cop, but Amorim is interesting for two reasons: he might bring a load of Portuguese wonderkids in, and he's not Sean Dyche.
https://www.foottheball.com/manager-in-focus/ruben-amorim-sporting-manager-tactics-formation-style-analysis-future-clubs/
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If we have truley sacked a manager after hes been on the brink for so long without having a decent replacement lined up then the hierarchy need to be taking some of the blame for this mess.
Also as I told you weeks ago Pocc wont come as we arent champions league, at the time I was told not too be too defeatist.
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I have no idea whether he's any cop, but Amorim is interesting for two reasons: he might bring a load of Portuguese wonderkids in, and he's not Sean Dyche.
Actually signed this guy for Sporting Clube and getting some good form from him. One I thought we might've looked at under DS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Edwards
Does Mark Kelly still post on here in some incarnation as he'd provide some good insight on Amorim.
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I have no idea whether he's any cop, but Amorim is interesting for two reasons: he might bring a load of Portuguese wonderkids in, and he's not Sean Dyche.
https://www.foottheball.com/manager-in-focus/ruben-amorim-sporting-manager-tactics-formation-style-analysis-future-clubs/
To quote Wiki fro his first season at Sporting:
"Despite their finish, Amorim managed to bring an recognisable identity that the club had previously been lacking"
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I have no idea whether he's any cop, but Amorim is interesting for two reasons: he might bring a load of Portuguese wonderkids in, and he's not Sean Dyche.
https://www.foottheball.com/manager-in-focus/ruben-amorim-sporting-manager-tactics-formation-style-analysis-future-clubs/
To quote Wiki fro his first season at Sporting:
"Despite their finish, Amorim managed to bring an recognisable identity that the club had previously been lacking"
My God, that almost makes me sad with longing.
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Anorim has less reason to come than Poch, who, let's be fair, needs a very good run somewhere to build his reputation back up.
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If we have truley sacked a manager after hes been on the brink for so long without having a decent replacement lined up then the hierarchy need to be taking some of the blame for this mess.
Also as I told you weeks ago Pocc wont come as we arent champions league, at the time I was told not too be too defeatist.
This is 100% on the hierarchy - its not Gerrards fault his shit - its the hierarchy fault for appointing someone untested at a point when we didn't need to
And the hierarchy's fault our recruitment has been awful
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If that is true - that would be amazing. He was widely touted as a replacement for Pep at City. Highly rated.
Got knocked out of Europe by Steven fucking Gerrard!
That indiscretion aside, he does seem very highly rated so wouldn't mind this at all. He would cost a few quid, too (Sporting paid the third-largest compensation fee in history to get him from Braga), but I don't mind that as would allay the fears of some fans (okay, mainly Risso) that the money tap has been turned off.
This season his Sporting side outplayed and beat Conte’s Tottenham in the champions league.
I can't fantom why Wolves wouldn't be sniffing for him.
Lets get him in quick.
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
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If we have truley sacked a manager after hes been on the brink for so long without having a decent replacement lined up then the hierarchy need to be taking some of the blame for this mess.
Also as I told you weeks ago Pocc wont come as we arent champions league, at the time I was told not too be too defeatist.
Yeah I’m not sure it’s as easy as all that
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Updated betting (with fractional odds for the old-timers):
Manager Specials
Next Permanent Aston Villa Manager
Ruben Amorim
11/10
Sean Dyche
11/2
Thomas Frank
11/2
Mauricio Pochettino
7/1
Unai Emery
11/1
Michael Beale
12/1
Kjetil Knudsen
20/1
Julen Lopetegui
20/1
Marcelo Bielsa
25/1
Rafa Benitez
25/1
Scott Parker
25/1
Dean Smith
25/1
Brendan Rodgers
25/1
Thomas Tuchel
28/1
Ralph Hassenhuttl
33/1
Chris Wilder
33/1
John Terry
33/1
Wayne Rooney
33/1
Jose Mourinho
40/1
Antonio Conte
50/1
Roy Keane
50/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
50/1
Marcelo Gallardo
50/1
Gareth Southgate
50/1
Steve Bruce
66/1
Erik ten Hag
80/1
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People on Twitter reporting Amorim has a contract release clause of £25 million. I'd want him to come with a trophy supplied for that money.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
If that is true - that would be amazing. He was widely touted as a replacement for Pep at City. Highly rated.
Got knocked out of Europe by Steven fucking Gerrard!
That indiscretion aside, he does seem very highly rated so wouldn't mind this at all. He would cost a few quid, too (Sporting paid the third-largest compensation fee in history to get him from Braga), but I don't mind that as would allay the fears of some fans (okay, mainly Risso) that the money tap has been turned off.
This season his Sporting side outplayed and beat Conte’s Tottenham in the champions league.
I can't fantom why Wolves wouldn't be sniffing for him.
Lets get him in quick.
He might not have the correct agent as far as Wolves are concerned.
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Rúben Amorim in his first 100 games for Sporting: -73 wins -15 draws -12 defeats -177 goals scored -71 goals conceded -One 19-year title drought ended
He's an upgraded Gerrard. Has the tactical accumem and ability and intelligence that Gerrard could only dream of.
Portugese culture is one that takes their coaching very seriously and he seems a good coach with a current style in attitude and performance. He'll provide more nous than Gerrards wish for agressive performances.
And looking forward to having more technicial approaches within the coaching.
I can see him knowing exactly how to play Buendia and Coutinho together.
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People on Twitter reporting Amorim has a contract release clause of £25 million. I'd want him to come with a trophy supplied for that money.
Well hes an upgarde on Gerrard and we had to pay to get him
Ruben is a current champions league manager at a prestigious club. £25m seems reasonable to me.
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Funny thing about Beale is that he's actually top of the Championship with a game in hand! I wonder if he hadn't been with us we'd be more excited about him.
But then that's not necessarily a bad reason to be sceptical - not just because we feel like we know he's not necessarily all that, but also because he wouldn't represent a fresh start. There is this feeling that we need a proper clear out, a renewal, a new identity.
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People on Twitter reporting Amorim has a contract release clause of £25 million. I'd want him to come with a trophy supplied for that money.
I think all Iberian players and coaches have release clauses by law, and they are usually set unrealistically high, so as to deter suitors. So I imagine we could negotiate them down a little bit.
That said, they did pay £8.65 million compensation when they acquired him from Braga, apparently the third highest ever, so he wouldn't be cheap, either.
So I'd expect a fee somewhere between the two.
Considering we wouldn't bat an eyelid at spending twenty million on a full back, I'd say it would be well worth it if he really is the bloke we have even looking for.
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Wait a fucking second... he plays five at the back!
I've just purchased a Portuguese flag and some lighter fluid from Amazon.
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Wait a fucking second... he plays five at the back!
I've just purchased a Portuguese flag and some lighter fluid from Amazon.
I was wondering how long it would take!
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
I wish. I can't see it happening whist Sporting are still in the Champions League. He's also on record earlier this month as saying he still has things to do at Sporting (Wolves approach). Oh and he has a £26m release clause in his contract. Is he worth it? Yup! I love him, he's everything you want with a Manager, tactically smart, passionate, speaks well, brings out the best in players, brings through the youth, all that and humble with it. I honestly think the fans would love him and more importantly, once they understand the intelligence of his coaching, so would the players.
Sadly I can't see it happening. Timing is wrong but if it did..bloody hell, he may not be the most experienced Coach but he's one of the smartest.
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Yeah, I was being a little facetious. Matt Law is reporting we made an eye-watering offer to Pochettino so I doubt money is a problem. But if they're willing to go all in, wouldn't Emery be a safer bet?
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Rúben Amorim in his first 100 games for Sporting: -73 wins -15 draws -12 defeats -177 goals scored -71 goals conceded -One 19-year title drought ended
He's an upgraded Gerrard. Has the tactical accumem and ability and intelligence that Gerrard could only dream of.
Portugese culture is one that takes their coaching very seriously and he seems a good coach with a current style in attitude and performance. He'll provide more nous than Gerrards wish for agressive performances.
And looking forward to having more technicial approaches within the coaching.
I can see him knowing exactly how to play Buendia and Coutinho together.
love to know what Gerrards win ratio was at rangers before he joined, must have been similarly positive.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
I wish. I can't see it happening whist Sporting are still in the Champions League. He's also on record earlier this month as saying he still has things to do at Sporting (Wolves approach). Oh and he has a £26m release clause in his contract. Is he worth it? Yup! I love him, he's everything you want with a Manager, tactically smart, passionate, speaks well, brings out the best in players, brings through the youth, all that and humble with it. I honestly think the fans would love him and more importantly, once they understand the intelligence of his coaching, so would the players.
Sadly I can't see it happening. Timing is wrong but if it did..bloody hell, he may not be the most experienced Coach but he's one of the smartest.
Does he speak english?
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I have read Ruben Amorim took an internship under Jose Mourinho,
A modern version of Mourinho with a more current approach to football than Jose.
Young, Charismatic, Winner, Football Intelligent and Strong Mentally.
Amorim has typically set up with a 3-4-3 formation.
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"Deluded" is trending on Twitter. I haven't clicked on it, but I assume it's driven by fans of other clubs talking about our hankering for Pochettino.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
I wish. I can't see it happening whist Sporting are still in the Champions League. He's also on record earlier this month as saying he still has things to do at Sporting (Wolves approach). Oh and he has a £26m release clause in his contract. Is he worth it? Yup! I love him, he's everything you want with a Manager, tactically smart, passionate, speaks well, brings out the best in players, brings through the youth, all that and humble with it. I honestly think the fans would love him and more importantly, once they understand the intelligence of his coaching, so would the players.
Sadly I can't see it happening. Timing is wrong but if it did..bloody hell, he may not be the most experienced Coach but he's one of the smartest.
Chelsea considered him as well when Tuchel left.
But as we are in talks then it sounds promising.
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Wait a fucking second... he plays five at the back!
I've just purchased a Portuguese flag and some lighter fluid from Amazon.
That was a waste of money. He doesn't play 5 at the back.
He plays 3. ;)
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"Deluded" is trending on Twitter. I haven't clicked on it, but I assume it's driven by fans of other clubs talking about our hankering for Pochettino.
All top Tweets for "Deluded" seem to relate to the support of a certain floppy haired buffoon by a bunch of people with no morals.
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"Deluded" is trending on Twitter. I haven't clicked on it, but I assume it's driven by fans of other clubs talking about our hankering for Pochettino.
All top Tweets for "Deluded" seem to relate to the support of a certain floppy haired buffoon by a bunch of people with no morals.
There I go overestimating our importance to the wider world again.
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"Deluded" is trending on Twitter. I haven't clicked on it, but I assume it's driven by fans of other clubs talking about our hankering for Pochettino.
All top Tweets for "Deluded" seem to relate to the support of a certain floppy haired buffoon by a bunch of people with no morals.
Super harsh on Brentford fans.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
So was Remi fucking Garde.
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The old Aston Villa would appoint Dyche
The new Aston Villa would appoint Poch
Be interesting to see which one we are today.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
So was Remi fucking Garde.
This has nothing to do with Remi Garde.
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Just had a quick look there, and thereabouts (!) on t'internet. Intriguing choice, and his win record is pretty good.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
So was Remi fucking Garde.
This has nothing to do with Remi Garde.
Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Just had a quick look there, and thereabouts (!) on t'internet. Intriguing choice, and his win record is pretty good.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
So was Remi fucking Garde.
This has nothing to do with Remi Garde.
Highly rated, managing in a European league, bit of a punt. My knowledge of European football is shite though, so I might be talking out of my arse.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
I wish. I can't see it happening whist Sporting are still in the Champions League. He's also on record earlier this month as saying he still has things to do at Sporting (Wolves approach). Oh and he has a £26m release clause in his contract. Is he worth it? Yup! I love him, he's everything you want with a Manager, tactically smart, passionate, speaks well, brings out the best in players, brings through the youth, all that and humble with it. I honestly think the fans would love him and more importantly, once they understand the intelligence of his coaching, so would the players.
Sadly I can't see it happening. Timing is wrong but if it did..bloody hell, he may not be the most experienced Coach but he's one of the smartest.
Yes but he did say why would he go to wolves as he knows nothing about speedway
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I don't really want "humble with it".I would much rather have "arrogant ,aggressive bastard" who makes everyone hate us because we're so fucking good.
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It took 4 days to appoint Gerrard after Smith was sacked, gonna be interesting to see how long the next one takes.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
I wish. I can't see it happening whist Sporting are still in the Champions League. He's also on record earlier this month as saying he still has things to do at Sporting (Wolves approach). Oh and he has a £26m release clause in his contract. Is he worth it? Yup! I love him, he's everything you want with a Manager, tactically smart, passionate, speaks well, brings out the best in players, brings through the youth, all that and humble with it. I honestly think the fans would love him and more importantly, once they understand the intelligence of his coaching, so would the players.
Sadly I can't see it happening. Timing is wrong but if it did..bloody hell, he may not be the most experienced Coach but he's one of the smartest.
Does he speak english?
No idea but I'd be amazed if he didn't it will be certainly better than Gerrard's.
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Anorim has less reason to come than Poch, who, let's be fair, needs a very good run somewhere to build his reputation back up.
There's loads of reasons not to come, we just have to hide them all behind very large sacks of cash.
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Wait a fucking second... he plays five at the back!
I've just purchased a Portuguese flag and some lighter fluid from Amazon.
I was wondering how long it would take!
I deliberately left that bit of Wiki out. It's a continental three centre backs, not a British one, so it won't be as shit.
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The old Aston Villa would appoint Dyche
The new Aston Villa would appoint Poch
Be interesting to see which one we are today.
I'm not sure it is that easy.
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It'll be better than Sean fucking Dyche, I'm sure.
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The old Aston Villa would appoint Dyche
The new Aston Villa would appoint Poch
Be interesting to see which one we are today.
I'm not sure it is that easy.
Braga head of recruitment said
"Ruben Amorim is destined to join a top club in the ‘Big Five’ leagues
It will have to be an ambitious project. He is an extremely ambitious coach. There will be nothing to excite him other than the ambition to win big trophies"
We are that club with ambition.
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talk me through the big trophies bit.
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Pochettino was at Barca v Villa game last night.
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He's not coming here. Not a chance lol
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It’ll be Thomas Franks.
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Well if Franks comes then we need to bring in their recruitment team and sack off Lange, who is piss poor.
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Seems unlikely to me that Poch, at this stage of his career, has the hunger to take on a big rebuild project. He will want to wait for Real or Barcelona or something like that.
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Pochettino was at Barca v Villa game last night.
Shows no interest then. If he was on verge of taking over he'd have watched us last night. I thought he lived in London anyway.
Edit; Could be looking at Villareal if Emery is leaving them shortly....
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Pochettino was at Barca v Villa game last night.
He must be looking to bringing in Lewandowski in January.
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Earlier this week he was at home in Argentina. Maybe Barca are looking to replace Xavi after early CL exit?
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Franks would be a totally pointless signing. We need a Manager to take Aston Villa to the next level,not turn us into Brentford.
Has anybody watched them play?
Hit the ball long, run off said ball and employ as much shithousery and timewasting to frustrate the opposition as possible.
Fuck that
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Rúben Amorim in his first 100 games for Sporting: -73 wins -15 draws -12 defeats -177 goals scored -71 goals conceded -One 19-year title drought ended
He's an upgraded Gerrard. Has the tactical accumem and ability and intelligence that Gerrard could only dream of.
Portugese culture is one that takes their coaching very seriously and he seems a good coach with a current style in attitude and performance. He'll provide more nous than Gerrards wish for agressive performances.
And looking forward to having more technicial approaches within the coaching.
I can see him knowing exactly how to play Buendia and Coutinho together.
That's an incredible record, but how does it compare with their record generally? Do they ever finish outside the top 3-4? Is it any more of an achievement than finishing 2nd in Scotland?
I'm not against him, it sounds really exciting, but we do tend to put foreign coaches on a pedestal.
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Seems unlikely to me that Poch, at this stage of his career, has the hunger to take on a big rebuild project. He will want to wait for Real or Barcelona or something like that.
Aren’t they all rebuild projects when a new manager comes in? Rarely does a manager join when things are going well and he says let’s keep it all the same. And at the top of the game it’s always a huge financial and human capital undertaking for the club. The cost of failure.
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Seems unlikely to me that Poch, at this stage of his career, has the hunger to take on a big rebuild project. He will want to wait for Real or Barcelona or something like that.
Aren’t they all rebuild projects when a new manager comes in? Rarely does a manager join when things are going well and he says let’s keep it all the same. And at the top of the game it’s always a huge financial and human capital undertaking for the club. The cost of failure.
Yes but there is rebuilding and there is a draining the swamp converting a contaminated brown field site with Dendonker, Mcginn Watkins Braedernack Ings ect in it.
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Emery for me
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Rúben Amorim in his first 100 games for Sporting: -73 wins -15 draws -12 defeats -177 goals scored -71 goals conceded -One 19-year title drought ended
He's an upgraded Gerrard. Has the tactical accumem and ability and intelligence that Gerrard could only dream of.
Portugese culture is one that takes their coaching very seriously and he seems a good coach with a current style in attitude and performance. He'll provide more nous than Gerrards wish for agressive performances.
And looking forward to having more technicial approaches within the coaching.
I can see him knowing exactly how to play Buendia and Coutinho together.
That's an incredible record, but how does it compare with their record generally? Do they ever finish outside the top 3-4? Is it any more of an achievement than finishing 2nd in Scotland?
I'm not against him, it sounds really exciting, but we do tend to put foreign coaches on a pedestal.
I get strong Villas-Boas vibes from him.
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Amorim in talks with Villa according to the Express & Star.
Rúben Amorim in his first 100 games for Sporting: -73 wins -15 draws -12 defeats -177 goals scored -71 goals conceded -One 19-year title drought ended
He's an upgraded Gerrard. Has the tactical accumem and ability and intelligence that Gerrard could only dream of.
Portugese culture is one that takes their coaching very seriously and he seems a good coach with a current style in attitude and performance. He'll provide more nous than Gerrards wish for agressive performances.
And looking forward to having more technicial approaches within the coaching.
I can see him knowing exactly how to play Buendia and Coutinho together.
That's an incredible record, but how does it compare with their record generally? Do they ever finish outside the top 3-4? Is it any more of an achievement than finishing 2nd in Scotland?
I'm not against him, it sounds really exciting, but we do tend to put foreign coaches on a pedestal.
The 5 seasons before he took over they never finished outside the top 3.
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Seems unlikely to me that Poch, at this stage of his career, has the hunger to take on a big rebuild project. He will want to wait for Real or Barcelona or something like that.
Aren’t they all rebuild projects when a new manager comes in? Rarely does a manager join when things are going well and he says let’s keep it all the same. And at the top of the game it’s always a huge financial and human capital undertaking for the club. The cost of failure.
I would argue that when SG came in it wasn't a rebuilding project. They just chose a manager that wanted to rebuild rather than build on what we had
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Can we have a poll?
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Earlier this week he was at home in Argentina. Maybe Barca are looking to replace Xavi after early CL exit?
I cant see Barca taking on a former Espanyol man
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Who is Ruben Amorim?
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Amorim is an intriguing one - though I'd be wary of young manager with no PL experience coming in in these circumstances.
With two wins on the board going in to November we are in a worse position than we were when Smith was canned and in our promotion year at the same stage of the season.
So the first part of the gig will involve firefighting, to an extent. Before the big work can truly begin.
Poch and Mancini could maybe do that. For a guy unfamiliar with the English top flight it will be harder.
These players need a lift *now*
A full pre season for the squad to adapt to an unfamiliar way of playing and a couple of key signings as his lieutenants gives that sort of risk a higher chance of success.
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Amorim is an intriguing one - though I'd be wary of young manager with no PL experience coming in in these circumstances.
With two wins on the board going in to November we are in a worse position than we were when Smith was canned and in our promotion year at the same stage of the season.
So the first part of the gig will involve firefighting, to an extent. Before the big work can truly begin.
Poch and Mancini could maybe do that. For a guy unfamiliar with the English top flight it will be harder.
These players need a lift *now*
A full pre season for the squad to adapt to an unfamiliar way of playing and a couple of key signings as his lieutenants gives that sort of risk a higher chance of success.
Simply getting rid of SG may have given a few players a lift
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Can we have a poll?
Done
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Just spoken to my relatives in Lisbon. They are Sporting nuts and take me to games when I visit.
Really rate Amorim and say he turned them around when they were shit. Did cost them 10m euros to get him.
Doesn’t think he will leave midway through the season though.
Also the fans hate the board but love Amorim, so that would be fun!!
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During Amorim's press conference this lunchtime he was asked about our approach and he just brushed it off with "I'm Sporting's coach and there's nothing to say about other clubs".
If Sporting lose to Spurs next week in the CL he may think differently but right now I think it's a non-starter.
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That's a shite poll Jon, who I want and who I think will get the job are two different people
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Who people want, and who they think it will be, could well be 2 very different answers.
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An inexperienced coach, like Postecoglou, would be best brought in at the end of a season. With a full pre season to work with the DOF on recruitment and the players on tactics/fitness etc. I think the situation we are in now requires a very experienced coach so we have to start with Poch, Tuchel and Mancini. Probably end up with Rodgers but I don't think he would he the worst shout either.
Clearly wants out of Leicester but is a very good coach when backed financially. That Brent esque stuff he comes out with is nauseating but it's on the pitch that matters. Very good track record improving and developing young players too.
I sincerely hope the owners are asking very hard questions of the likes of Purslow and Lange too. The club has been a complete shambles on and off the pitch since Grealish left.
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Surprised that Gallardo is not being linked as he leaves River Plate in a month or so. Does he already have a club lined up?
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Tbf if the choice was Rodgers, Frank or Dyche, Rodgers wins hands down
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Can we have a poll?
Done
Why have you missed off the favourite? Also Pochettino and Tuchel have effectively ruled themselves out. And why is Southgate on there? Ideally we need different votes for who we think it will be and who we want.
Back to the drawing board, mate.
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
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That's a shite poll Jon, who I want and who I think will get the job are two different people
Yep, I want Poch but we will get Dyche.
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Seems unlikely to me that Poch, at this stage of his career, has the hunger to take on a big rebuild project. He will want to wait for Real or Barcelona or something like that.
Aren’t they all rebuild projects when a new manager comes in? Rarely does a manager join when things are going well and he says let’s keep it all the same. And at the top of the game it’s always a huge financial and human capital undertaking for the club. The cost of failure.
I meant at Villa it's not just rebuilding the squad (though that will be daunting enough) but we also need a club structure to support it. A competent DoF. A competent Head of Recruitment. And for those two to build out successful organizations while keeping a overreaching CEO in check.
For these reasons I don't think we are so appealing for a manager who has already reached a certain level of success and undoubtedly believes he has earned the right to manage only the very top clubs. You don't want "projects" anymore.
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Imanol Alguacil?
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well by strange coincidence I was talking to a chap I know who worked in Portugal with their coaching setup and a few clubs, he is fully badged and holds Brazilian coaching qualifications also.
We were talking about Villa, inevitably, and he threw the name Ruben Amorim into the conversation. He suggested he would be a good fit for a Premier club. I immediately said Wolves and he said any including AV.
He is apparently a great coach, knowledgeable and creative would definitely fit the role at Villa.
He would be exciting for a big club with a project like AV.
Now I see the Express & Star on the case..
Seems to be a good candidate.
Anyone else know of him?
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The bloke that wrote The Thick of It?
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One of those: talksport understands Pochettino has ruled himself out of the vacant managerial position at Aston Villa.
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Emery for me
Yes, I think this is the most realistic candidate of the top tier of options.
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Paulie, here's your answer..
Matt Law
@Matt_Law_DT
I went to Lisbon to cover Sporting v Tottenham and came away very impressed by Amorim and his team. Speaks good English and a great style about him
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
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Ruben Amorim would appear to be a massive gamble for a club that needs first to fight a relegation battle, before worrying about Europe and if we'll be seeded for the Champions League.
The PL is the most unforgiving league in the world, it consumes most managers. Walking into a big club, with no experience of the league, not speaking the language of the media and the fans would be a massive, massive challenge.
They'd be mad to appoint him.
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I know very little of Amorim - but I like the sound of him
Emery would work too.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
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Ruben Amorim looks a bit like David Blaine. We need an escape artist to get us out of this mess.
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Can you reset the poll, please? I voted other before Amorim was on there. I'm assuming you have also changed the order around unless 25% have really voted for Steve Bruce...
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Emery for me
Yes, I think this is the most realistic candidate of the top tier of options.
This made me laugh..
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Apologies did the original poll on my mobile hence it was a bit shit, now just a little less shit.
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Apologies did the original poll on my mobile hence it was a bit shit, now just a little less shit.
Please see above, mate. Needs resetting, please.
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Done
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Can you reset the poll, please? I voted other before Amorim was on there. I'm assuming you have also changed the order around unless 25% have really voted for Steve Bruce...
Well you voted for him.
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Ta mate.
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Is it who we want or who we think it will be? I don't want people to think I'm nuts when I vote for Dyche...
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I've voted for who I want, just in case someone from the club sees it and thinks "wow, Dyche is popular with the fans!"
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I really don't want Dyche, but fear it's where we'll end up.
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God almighty not Dyche please.
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I don't see any Polish option on there yet we called for a pole!
Also I think it would be good to have at least one black, asian and or minority ethnic option on that list.
More needs to be done.
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I don't see any Polish option on there yet we called for a pole!
Also I think it would be good to have at least one black, asian and or minority ethnic option on the list.
I'd be quite happy to relieve Palace of Vieira but doubt he'd come.
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We're speaking to Amorim according to the Athletic. Sporting manager who's upcoming but highly rated
He's the one that Neil from the For The Love of Paul McGrath podcast is a big fan of, right?
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
Fair enough, can understand you being board with them.
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Dyche's record is so shit. If he rocks up he'll be sacked within a year.
Smith mk2...
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Saw something on Twitter which said we've asked for permission to speak to Amorim. Seems he's top of our list, if some random account is to be believed.
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Dyche's record is so shit. If he rocks up he'll be sacked within a year.
Smith mk2...
He's so, so much worse than Smith.
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Dyche's record is so shit. If he rocks up he'll be sacked within a year.
Smith mk2...
He's so, so much worse than Smith.
But he's funny. And got a gravelly voice. And got relegated last season. And should never be anywhere near this job.
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Literally no idea about Amorim - is there anything in his CV that suggests he is more qualified than SG?
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Dyche's record is so shit. If he rocks up he'll be sacked within a year.
Smith mk2...
He's so, so much worse than Smith.
But he's funny. And got a gravelly voice. And got relegated last season. And should never be anywhere near this job.
And he eats worms. We've never had a manager before that eats worms, so that would be a first.
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Dave Woodhall would get my vote as new manager. He eats, sleeps and drinks Aston Villa and has a great insight into every match we play.
With the backing and ideas of the H & V posters, Villa might head in the right direction.
Management by fan based social media. In this crazy, ever evolving world we live in, you just never know.
We desperately need to spend money and you want Dave Woodhall?
Would make Doug look like Viv Nicholsen
It's somebody else's money...
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Whatever happens I don’t see us employing a British/English coach. Unless we knock on Leicester’s door for Rodgers I’d say there isn’t one about who’s worth taking a second look at.
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I want Poch, but think Emery or Amorim (who I know nothing about) is more likely.
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From Wiki about Amorim (cdbearsfan look away now):
Amorim
Amorim is known for his communication skills, and tactical knowledge and flexibility.[74] During his tenure with Sporting, Amorim primarily played a 3–4–3, with two midfielders usually João Palhinha and Matheus Nunes, being responsible for protecting the defense, and emphasize the attacking capabilities of the wing-backs Pedro Porro and Nuno Mendes.[73][75] When defending in a low block, Sporting’s players stay behind the line of the box in order to keep a compact shape, prevent any potential shots from the edge of the box, and limit attacking opportunities. Amorim's team utilizes an intense pressing style and attempts to win the ball back in the final third.[73][75]
Amorim's team use interchanging movements to distract the opposing defenders and create space for the attackers to exploit.[73][75] They focus on exploiting the wings and half-spaces with Pedro Gonçalves playing inside with Pablo Sarabia and Nuno Santos sticking to the left side of the attack.[73][75] The number 9, usually Paulinho, is the only player who tends to act in terms of pressing the ball and slowing the progression of the opposition, looking to create a space in the defensive line of the opposition that can be quickly attacked, in order to allow the man in possession initially to look for a vertical passing option. Amorim has also a 3–4–3 diamond formation with three mobile defenders; plus one more covering space – becoming, in effect, a defensive midfielder, two "controlling" midfielders with responsibilities to feed the attack-minded players, one second striker, two touchline-hugging wingers and one versatile centre forward.[73][75]
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I'm choosing to believe it's some fancy foreign flexible 3-4-3 not the British style "three at the back" that really means five defenders including two full backs who occasionally venture past the halfway line. Pretty please.
I like the sound of the touchline hugging wingers, though not sure how suited Philendia will be. Maybe one of them plays "second striker". We need Ads back, he'd be all over this tactical stuff with his trequartistas, geggenpressing and reverse libero Christmas trees.
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Amorim is favourite at evens with Dyche second at 5/1 or so. Would like it be the Portugeezer but need to hear from our Lisbon correspondent what the word on the street is there, before I get my hopes up.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
He wouldn't enjoy working with our midfielders much.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
So did Gerrard, to be fair. Between 60 and 70 minutes, every game, one of Buendia or Coutinho makes a movement to the bench and the other interchanges with him.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
So did Gerrard, to be fair. Between 60 and 70 minutes, every game, one of Buendia or Coutinho makes a movement to the bench and the other interchanges with him.
<applause>
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
So did Gerrard, to be fair. Between 60 and 70 minutes, every game, one of Buendia or Coutinho makes a movement to the bench and the other interchanges with him.
Very good
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here is a leftfield suggestion....I would fancy getting V.Kompany from Burnley
UTV
The Doc
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
So did Gerrard, to be fair. Between 60 and 70 minutes, every game, one of Buendia or Coutinho makes a movement to the bench and the other interchanges with him.
Many years ago I suggested a "rotating diamond" in midfield and was widely derided as a parvenu, thimble rigger and purveyor of prolix.
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here is a leftfield suggestion....I would fancy getting V.Kompany from Burnley
UTV
The Doc
NO FORMERLY GOOD PLAYERS.
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From Wiki about Amorim (cdbearsfan look away now):
Amorim
Amorim is known for his communication skills, and tactical knowledge and flexibility.[74] During his tenure with Sporting, Amorim primarily played a 3–4–3, with two midfielders usually João Palhinha and Matheus Nunes, being responsible for protecting the defense, and emphasize the attacking capabilities of the wing-backs Pedro Porro and Nuno Mendes.[73][75] When defending in a low block, Sporting’s players stay behind the line of the box in order to keep a compact shape, prevent any potential shots from the edge of the box, and limit attacking opportunities. Amorim's team utilizes an intense pressing style and attempts to win the ball back in the final third.[73][75]
Amorim's team use interchanging movements to distract the opposing defenders and create space for the attackers to exploit.[73][75] They focus on exploiting the wings and half-spaces with Pedro Gonçalves playing inside with Pablo Sarabia and Nuno Santos sticking to the left side of the attack.[73][75] The number 9, usually Paulinho, is the only player who tends to act in terms of pressing the ball and slowing the progression of the opposition, looking to create a space in the defensive line of the opposition that can be quickly attacked, in order to allow the man in possession initially to look for a vertical passing option. Amorim has also a 3–4–3 diamond formation with three mobile defenders; plus one more covering space – becoming, in effect, a defensive midfielder, two "controlling" midfielders with responsibilities to feed the attack-minded players, one second striker, two touchline-hugging wingers and one versatile centre forward.[73][75]
Ok - and whats his position on having your main goal threat being trying to score direct from corners
Sounds amazing - I like the idea of flexibility - as neither Dean or Gerrard could do that.
Doesnt sound like our players are well set up for it though - do you think it could work without the two wingers and versatile center forward
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Only what I've already said, BV he refused to discuss the subject today at his press conference. His focus is the game tomorrow followed by Spurs midweek in the CL. Only after then will he be 'available', my word not his. Heart says he could just tell his agent to investigate a deal and sorting out the £25m buy-out clause with Sporting. Head says he ain't going anywhere. Right now he's far too important to Sporting, he's the glue holding the club together. Sporting is always a mess but right now they have one trump card that their fans believe in, their Coach.
One thing I do believe is we are willing to pay the £26m buy-out clause. No, two things, Sporting will be tempted to cash in. They always need the money. The question is do they cash in now or wait until the end of the season? My guess is they'll wait.
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I had never heard of Amorim before this morning, but he sounds fun. One of the things I resent Gerrard for is that he made supporting Villa not fun. I want fun.
Amorim (apparently) is incredibly charismatic - the Sporting fans have a countdown to his press conferences as they are so eagerly anticipated. He was the dressing room joker as a player, but uses that to build strong bonds with people and get them onside. But he's also a devoted coach and tactician.
A charismatic, driven coach that gets everyone onside and has a clear plan of what he wants to do. He is the exact opposite of what we have just had to sit through for 11 months. I'm sold, but very aware that this is the sort of appointment that may blow up in our faces.
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Surely though, these aren't the only options.
Lange should be looking across Germany, France, Spain and Italy for someone who has an identity, like Potter for example, that knows how they're going to implement a style into the side.
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Only what I've already said, BV he refused to discuss the subject today at his press conference. His focus is the game tomorrow followed by Spurs midweek in the CL. Only after then will he be 'available', my word not his. Heart says he could just tell his agent to investigate a deal and sorting out the £25m buy-out clause with Sporting. Head says he ain't going anywhere. Right now he's far too important to Sporting, he's the glue holding the club together. Sporting is always a mess but right now they have one trump card that their fans believe in, their Coach.
One thing I do believe is we are willing to pay the £26m buy-out clause. No, two things, Sporting will be tempted to cash in. They always need the money. The question is do they cash in now or wait until the end of the season? My guess is they'll wait.
I don't think we can afford to wait, and with no disrespect to Sporting, if we decide we really want him, he'll be on his way.
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Emery has a decent CV but was a disaster at Arsenal really. Would be a brave PL club to bring him back in.
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here is a leftfield suggestion....I would fancy getting V.Kompany from Burnley
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He's certainly reversed the anti-football Burnley fans have suffered under Dyche.
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Why is it that every time I want a manager out, every other club's manager looks like a great option. Then, as soon as we sack our manager, the list of replacements emerges and suddenly the same names look a lot less appealing?
Happens me every single time!
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here is a leftfield suggestion....I would fancy getting V.Kompany from Burnley
UTV
The Doc
NO FORMERLY GOOD PLAYERS.
Unless Johann Cruyff turns up miraculously.
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Why is it that every time I want a manager out, every other club's manager looks like a great option. Then, as soon as we sack our manager, the list of replacements emerges and suddenly the same names look a lot less appealing?
Happens me every single time!
Haha so true.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
So did Gerrard, to be fair. Between 60 and 70 minutes, every game, one of Buendia or Coutinho makes a movement to the bench and the other interchanges with him.
Many years ago I suggested a "rotating diamond" in midfield and was widely derided as a parvenu, thimble rigger and purveyor of prolix.
The idea of a 343 diamond and rotating is slightly misleading. How you'd implement that is more a 3331 but where the middle 3s are quite fluid with players fitting into whichever spot they're nearest to (within reason), it's a bit like extending zonal marking to open play and making sure you always have a passing option available in each zone.
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We are in for Kompany. Here is an exclusive photo of him arriving at Brum airport for his interview
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ttob7L-LSNg/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Emery has a decent CV but was a disaster at Arsenal really. Would be a brave PL club to bring him back in.
He went on a 22 game unbeaten run. I don't recall him being a disaster, although I don't pay too much attention to Arsenal.
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Emery has a decent CV but was a disaster at Arsenal really. Would be a brave PL club to bring him back in.
He finished fifth, which as well as Arsenal have done for years. Hardly a disaster.
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I don’t care, just get it right this time please.
I’m sure I’ll be underwhelmed initially, then hopefully pleasantly surprised. It certainly won’t be a O’Neil OMG moment, which was the last time I was excited by a new manager.
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We are in for Kompany. Here is an exclusive photo of him arriving at Brum airport for his interview
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ttob7L-LSNg/maxresdefault.jpg)
We've covered this before, but it always annoyed me that he was never given the number two shirt. Also, any club that has a played called Jackson and doesn't give him the number five should be automatically relegated.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
He wouldn't enjoy working with our midfielders much.
Once he’d overcome the mindset of interchangeable misplaced passes he might.
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Hoping it will be Poch/Tuchel/Emery
Happy with Rogers
Like the sound of Amorim
Voted Dyche - its Villa and we are more than capable of screwing it up and appointing him.
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Emery has a decent CV but was a disaster at Arsenal really. Would be a brave PL club to bring him back in.
He finished fifth, which as well as Arsenal have done for years. Hardly a disaster.
And IIRC had to deal with some right wankers such as Ozil and Abamuyang (sp)
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Trouble is.... Rodgers, Poch, Emery, Anorim... They are good because they are are tactically astute and like to attack. Dyche is so far from them that it is back to Martinez vs Mcleish.
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Is it who we want or who we think it will be? I don't want people to think I'm nuts when I vote for Dyche...
Seems to be a fair few calls for Dyche by Villa fans. As justification they like to highlight his tactical acumen. I can't speak to it myself because it was too painful to watch Burnely but this video is being bandied about:
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I always get these things wrong so for all our sakes I have voted Dyche.
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Only what I've already said, BV he refused to discuss the subject today at his press conference. His focus is the game tomorrow followed by Spurs midweek in the CL. Only after then will he be 'available', my word not his. Heart says he could just tell his agent to investigate a deal and sorting out the £25m buy-out clause with Sporting. Head says he ain't going anywhere. Right now he's far too important to Sporting, he's the glue holding the club together. Sporting is always a mess but right now they have one trump card that their fans believe in, their Coach.
One thing I do believe is we are willing to pay the £26m buy-out clause. No, two things, Sporting will be tempted to cash in. They always need the money. The question is do they cash in now or wait until the end of the season? My guess is they'll wait.
I don't think we can afford to wait, and with no disrespect to Sporting, if we decide we really want him, he'll be on his way.
I wish it was that easy. I agree, we can't afford to wait but I don't believe money is the big factor with Amorim, he's no mercenary, the opposite in fact. If we are to get him it will be the project he buys into knowing that the board will financially support him when required. At Sporting he's had to shuffle his players every season as the best are sold off (Mendes - PSG, Nunes - Wolves and Palhinha - the fella running the midfield last night for Fulham). Over £90m coming in but he has to shop more carefully and rely on loans. No doubt it frustrates him. This week he's brought 6 kids through to join the first team.
Lose to Spurs on Wednesday night and I think we may be in with a chance. Sporting may cash in as it would pretty much end their CL hopes and cash.
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Only what I've already said, BV he refused to discuss the subject today at his press conference. His focus is the game tomorrow followed by Spurs midweek in the CL. Only after then will he be 'available', my word not his. Heart says he could just tell his agent to investigate a deal and sorting out the £25m buy-out clause with Sporting. Head says he ain't going anywhere. Right now he's far too important to Sporting, he's the glue holding the club together. Sporting is always a mess but right now they have one trump card that their fans believe in, their Coach.
One thing I do believe is we are willing to pay the £26m buy-out clause. No, two things, Sporting will be tempted to cash in. They always need the money. The question is do they cash in now or wait until the end of the season? My guess is they'll wait.
Cheers for that, even if it's kind of what I expected in my head not my heart.
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I quite like Dyche as a bloke but I absolutely do not want him as a manager. It's all very well getting the best out of limited cloggers, but that's not what I hope to see from a Villa team.
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here is a leftfield suggestion....I would fancy getting V.Kompany from Burnley
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The Doc
NO FORMERLY GOOD PLAYERS.
Unless Johann Cruyff turns up miraculously.
That's Poch ruled out. :(
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I'm not saying for a second I want Dyche, but...isn't there a possibility that he was cutting his cloth accordingly at Burnley, and wouldn't necessarily play the same way given greater resources?
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Lose to Spurs on Wednesday night and I think we may be in with a chance. Sporting may cash in as it would pretty much end their CL hopes and cash.
So in other words, Come on you Spurrsss!!!
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From Wiki about Amorim (cdbearsfan look away now):
Amorim
Amorim is known for his communication skills, and tactical knowledge and flexibility.[74] During his tenure with Sporting, Amorim primarily played a 3–4–3, with two midfielders usually João Palhinha and Matheus Nunes, being responsible for protecting the defense, and emphasize the attacking capabilities of the wing-backs Pedro Porro and Nuno Mendes.[73][75] When defending in a low block, Sporting’s players stay behind the line of the box in order to keep a compact shape, prevent any potential shots from the edge of the box, and limit attacking opportunities. Amorim's team utilizes an intense pressing style and attempts to win the ball back in the final third.[73][75]
Amorim's team use interchanging movements to distract the opposing defenders and create space for the attackers to exploit.[73][75] They focus on exploiting the wings and half-spaces with Pedro Gonçalves playing inside with Pablo Sarabia and Nuno Santos sticking to the left side of the attack.[73][75] The number 9, usually Paulinho, is the only player who tends to act in terms of pressing the ball and slowing the progression of the opposition, looking to create a space in the defensive line of the opposition that can be quickly attacked, in order to allow the man in possession initially to look for a vertical passing option. Amorim has also a 3–4–3 diamond formation with three mobile defenders; plus one more covering space – becoming, in effect, a defensive midfielder, two "controlling" midfielders with responsibilities to feed the attack-minded players, one second striker, two touchline-hugging wingers and one versatile centre forward.[73][75]
I wonder how you go about playing an ‘intense pressing style’ with only one player pressing?
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I'm not saying for a second I want Dyche, but...isn't there a possibility that he was cutting his cloth accordingly at Burnley, and wouldn't necessarily play the same way given greater resources?
The McLeish argument. That went well.
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I'm not saying for a second I want Dyche, but...isn't there a possibility that he was cutting his cloth accordingly at Burnley, and wouldn't necessarily play the same way given greater resources?
The McLeish argument. That went well.
Probably trying to convince myself more than anything...
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Lose to Spurs on Wednesday night and I think we may be in with a chance. Sporting may cash in as it would pretty much end their CL hopes and cash.
So in other words, Come on you Spurrsss!!!
Ha! Exactly. It will be my first and last time. Not even once have the San Antonio Spurs had my support.
Edit: I reckon somebody will be appointed before Wednesday night.
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Can we have separate polls for who we want and who we think it will be, please? There seems to be some confusion about and I'm fairly sure Jon is enjoying my helpful suggestions for improvement.
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I just hear Bob Mortimer's Dyche impression every time I hear his name.
(https://i.ibb.co/ChqZ60s/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ChqZ60s)
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Can we have separate polls for who we want and who we think it will be, please? There seems to be some confusion about and I'm fairly sure Jon is enjoying my helpful suggestions for improvement.
Can't have 2 polls on the same thread BUT I can modify the existing one to have a want or think...........
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You now get 2 votes, 1 for a Think, 1 for a Want.
I had to reset the poll. Sorry, not my circus, not my monkeys.
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Pochetino please
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I just hear Bob Mortimer's Dyche impression every time I hear his name.
(https://i.ibb.co/ChqZ60s/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ChqZ60s)
Me too, along with pronouncing his name 'dish', drinking from urinals and Harry Winks thinking he's a monster.
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We also need a "who don't want you want under any circumstances" option.
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And a "who do think uses red sauce" option.
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I just hear Bob Mortimer's Dyche impression every time I hear his name.
(https://i.ibb.co/ChqZ60s/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ChqZ60s)
Me too, along with pronouncing his name 'dish', drinking from urinals and Harry Winks thinking he's a monster.
If you're not familiar with what we're talking about hopefully this will put a smile on your face for once this week.
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If it’s Dyche, I might seriously lose it
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Do the people still saying Poch or Tuchel not realise that they’ve ruled themselves out?
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They will surely be acutely aware that this appointment is critical. They will surely realise someone like Dyche would result in a full on mutiny.
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Re. Dyche. Obviously it's just rumours - but they were flying arround Burnley fans - that before he got sacked - he got into fracas in the dressing room - causing senior players to speak to the people at the top requesting his removal...
Again, from Burnley supporting friends - they love the new era and the attractive football - after years of Dyche-ball...
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I've seen no indication that the owners are, actually, interested in Dyche, and just the act of asking Tuchel and Pochettino is indicative of their ambition level. It was always unlikely to even tempt either of them, but even asking is a good sign.
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They will surely be acutely aware that this appointment is critical. They will surely realise someone like Dyche would result in a full on mutiny.
We said that with TSM and they still went ahead.
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Edit: ignore, Trussed it up
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Get them both.
Emery or Amorim live together in perfect harmony
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Do the people still saying Poch or Tuchel not realise that they’ve ruled themselves out?
We know Tuchel has pretty definitively but is there any evidence other than Twitter hearsay that Poch has?
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Being reported by pretty reputable journalists - matt law and percy have said so it's not like football insider or football365 rumours
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I've seen no indication that the owners are, actually, interested in Dyche, and just the act of asking Tuchel and Pochettino is indicative of their ambition level. It was always unlikely to even tempt either of them, but even asking is a good sign.
I get your point, but it depends what they are offering to these people (wages>transfer budget) to a big extent. If we are asking in the same way we asked to buy Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe (apparently offering about half the market value) I don't think just asking is quite enough to show ambition. You would have to be 'all in' as our previous manager was so keen on saying, to have any chance of getting those kinds of managers to come. I suppose the club can't really win if they have indeed offered the going rate, and we'll never know for sure if they have or not if Dyche or Frank roll up.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Get them both.
Emery or Amorim live together in perfect harmony
If I get earworm from that you're a dead man!
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I've seen no indication that the owners are, actually, interested in Dyche, and just the act of asking Tuchel and Pochettino is indicative of their ambition level. It was always unlikely to even tempt either of them, but even asking is a good sign.
I get your point, but it depends what they are offering to these people (wages>transfer budget) to a big extent. If we are asking in the same way we asked to buy Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe (apparently offering about half the market value) I don't think just asking is quite enough to show ambition. You would have to be 'all in' as our previous manager was so keen on saying, to have any chance of getting those kinds of managers to come. I suppose the club can't really win if they have indeed offered the going rate, and we'll never know for sure if they have or not if Dyche or Frank roll up.
I understand this, but they'd be under no illusions about what it would take to attract the top level coaches, and so you'd assume that someone down the list would say yes before we even got close to Dyche.
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Can you believe they put it on Stevie Wonder's Greatest Hits? Keeps popping up again when in my missus car
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I've seen no indication that the owners are, actually, interested in Dyche, and just the act of asking Tuchel and Pochettino is indicative of their ambition level. It was always unlikely to even tempt either of them, but even asking is a good sign.
I get your point, but it depends what they are offering to these people (wages>transfer budget) to a big extent. If we are asking in the same way we asked to buy Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe (apparently offering about half the market value) I don't think just asking is quite enough to show ambition. You would have to be 'all in' as our previous manager was so keen on saying, to have any chance of getting those kinds of managers to come. I suppose the club can't really win if they have indeed offered the going rate, and we'll never know for sure if they have or not if Dyche or Frank roll up.
I understand this, but they'd be under no illusions about what it would take to attract the top level coaches, and so you'd assume that someone down the list would say yes before we even got close to Dyche.
It was strongly rumoured a couple of years ago both here and in Burnley Purslow was a big fan and was very interested in bringing him to Villa Park.
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They will surely be acutely aware that this appointment is critical. They will surely realise someone like Dyche would result in a full on mutiny.
We said that with TSM and they still went ahead.
In fairness that was completely different people.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Get them both.
Emery or Amorim live together in perfect harmony
Oh, I say, that is really excellent.
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
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Can we not talk about Frank and Dyche as if they’re the same. I wouldn’t be thrilled with Frank, but he’s quite a progressive coach. Dyche would be an awful appointment.
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
Some sick just came info the back of my mouth.
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Dyche is everything dreadful about humanity
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I've seen no indication that the owners are, actually, interested in Dyche, and just the act of asking Tuchel and Pochettino is indicative of their ambition level. It was always unlikely to even tempt either of them, but even asking is a good sign.
I get your point, but it depends what they are offering to these people (wages>transfer budget) to a big extent. If we are asking in the same way we asked to buy Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe (apparently offering about half the market value) I don't think just asking is quite enough to show ambition. You would have to be 'all in' as our previous manager was so keen on saying, to have any chance of getting those kinds of managers to come. I suppose the club can't really win if they have indeed offered the going rate, and we'll never know for sure if they have or not if Dyche or Frank roll up.
I understand this, but they'd be under no illusions about what it would take to attract the top level coaches, and so you'd assume that someone down the list would say yes before we even got close to Dyche.
It was strongly rumoured a couple of years ago both here and in Burnley Purslow was a big fan and was very interested in bringing him to Villa Park.
He got his pick last time and look where that got us.
I would be massively disapointed if we gave Dyche the job, but I do think he wouldn't fuck it up and we'd be much better off than we have been. It would just be eye bleedingly painful to watch.
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
Some sick just came info the back of my mouth.
But the talk is the owners are picking this time.....
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Get them both.
Emery or Amorim live together in perfect harmony
Oh, I say, that is really excellent.
Don't encourage him! ;)
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
Some sick just came info the back of my mouth.
But the talk is the owners are picking this time.....
Yeah been said by a couple of decent journos that owners are picking. Really hoping this means that they may be considering director of football role to be implemented as well
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Put it this way. Sawiris wants Pochettino but doesn't get him, wonders what to do next. Purslow suggest Dyche, Sawiris is sceptical. Purslow says 'trust me on this'.
After the most recent appointment, how is Sawiris likely to react? Nah, I'd be absolutely stunned if it's Dyche. Stunned and horrified.
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I would be massively disapointed if we gave Dyche the job, but I do think he wouldn't fuck it up and we'd be much better off than we have been. It would just be eye bleedingly painful to watch.
I'd just give up. Over the last month or so, for the first time ever in my Villa supporting life I really did think of on knocking it on the head. We became so predictable and dull but the most annoying thing was knowing the players are far better than they were showing. Having no tactics didn't help either. There's only so much shit we can take, I'm just praying our next manager is the one we've been waiting for these last 20 odd years.
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Put it this way. Sawiris wants Pochettino but doesn't get him, wonders what to do next. Purslow suggest Dyche, Sawiris is sceptical. Purslow says 'trust me on this'.
After the most recent appointment, how is Sawiris likely to react? Nah, I'd be absolutely stunned if it's Dyche. Stunned and horrified.
Given Gerrard was fired without a way to get home last night, I can imagine the Arab Spring in Purslow's office as Nas sets upon his brain with fists of fury
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Ultimately that decision would be the catalyst for "sack the board" chants. If it were to happen, and i'm convincing myself that it will not.
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If it ends up being Dyche there's no way McGinn stays captain after telling Dyche his coat was shit.
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I’m surprised not really seen any mention of the Celtic guy Ange P….not that I want any other manager from those two clubs but thought he’d be mentioned.
I’m just hoping for a manager not obsessed with 433 like the last two.
Bielsa would be guaranteed relegation, we’d be on our arses after 30 minutes every week playing Bielsa way.
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I’m surprised not really seen any mention of the Celtic guy Ange P….not that I want any other manager from those two clubs but thought he’d be mentioned.
I’m just hoping for a manager not obsessed with 433 like the last two.
Bielsa would be guaranteed relegation, we’d be on our arses after 30 minutes every week playing Bielsa way.
Nah, we'd be absolutely shit some weeks but put in some of the best performances in our history in others.
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Just read on a Brentford forum they’re nervous about the links between Lange and Frank.
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
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I would be massively disapointed if we gave Dyche the job, but I do think he wouldn't fuck it up and we'd be much better off than we have been. It would just be eye bleedingly painful to watch.
I'd just give up. Over the last month or so, for the first time ever in my Villa supporting life I really did think of on knocking it on the head. We became so predictable and dull but the most annoying thing was knowing the players are far better than they were showing. Having no tactics didn't help either. There's only so much shit we can take, I'm just praying our next manager is the one we've been waiting for these last 20 odd years.
Yeah I don't think I'm that far away to be honest, and it would push me close.
I'd just like to make clear that I'm in no way endorsing or making a case for Dyche, more underlining how fucking useless the last guy was that a meat-and-two-veg merchant like Dyche would improve us from where we are.
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Matt Law
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I went to Lisbon to cover Sporting v Tottenham and came away very impressed by Amorim and his team. Speaks good English and a great style about him
One less worry.
I had never heard of Amorim before this morning, but he sounds fun. One of the things I resent Gerrard for is that he made supporting Villa not fun. I want fun.
Amorim (apparently) is incredibly charismatic - the Sporting fans have a countdown to his press conferences as they are so eagerly anticipated. He was the dressing room joker as a player, but uses that to build strong bonds with people and get them onside. But he's also a devoted coach and tactician.
Interesting, thanks.
We don't necessarily need the Portuguese Steve Harrison and his paper cup routine. But a coach who can come in and lift the mood - and get across the more serious stuff - has a better chance of working.
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
Some sick just came info the back of my mouth.
But the talk is the owners are picking this time.....
Yeah been said by a couple of decent journos that owners are picking. Really hoping this means that they may be considering director of football role to be implemented as well
What is the difference between a director of football and the sporting director role that Lange has? For me that's pretty much the same job with a different name.
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Same, I actually felt a kind of nausea.
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
No, it's SE, but he's trying to distance himself from it now
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Dyche would be as popular as Mcleish was on arrival. Utter fucking cluster fuck of an appointment if we went that way. Ooo your friends got a lovely new game boy... We got you one to, look you can write on it with these chalks. That's how bad Dyche would be.
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
No, it's SE, but he's trying to distance himself from it now
Could use one of your caravans 😉
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I think it’s shaping up to be Thomas Frank. That way we can bid for Toney in January who will of course come to us and become an instant flop within a month.
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
No, it's SE, but he's trying to distance himself from it now
I completely refute this.
Anyway, Lee, you're on record as saying that you like chips. How much of a factor are potatoes and hot oil in the making of chips?
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Can you believe they put it on Steven Wonder's Greatest Hits? Keeps popping up again when in my missus car
I bet it does. Good work on the 'Ebony and Ivory' gag as well.
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It's true, everyone likes chips. I will work hard every day to help the club like more chips
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I think it’s shaping up to be Thomas Frank. That way we can bid for Toney in January who will of course come to us and become out for the season within a month.
FTFY
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
And you have to read it in Jack’s voice with that stupid fucking smile on his face.
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I’m surprised not really seen any mention of the Celtic guy Ange P….not that I want any other manager from those two clubs but thought he’d be mentioned.
I’m just hoping for a manager not obsessed with 433 like the last two.
Bielsa would be guaranteed relegation, we’d be on our arses after 30 minutes every week playing Bielsa way.
I mentioned him a while back and like his football, pacey and stylish. However, coming from Scotland and in light of what has just happened patience will be very thin amongst the fanbase, and understandably so.
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Anyone mention Joachim Low and his “unusual” habits during a game yet?
Last time out, he was constantly mentioned…
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Get them both.
Emery or Amorim live together in perfect harmony
;D ;D ;D
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There's absolutely no way on earth Dyche is getting the job.
No
I also don’t want Dyche. For many obvious reasons. But also because it avoids Jack Woodward’s first question being
“Sean, welcome to Aston Villa. You’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How do you feel?”
Aaaaargh! I was irritated just reading it!
Me too. Do you write Woodward's questions for him TV?
And you have to read it in Jack’s voice with that stupid fucking smile on his face.
Ha ha, he cant help being jolly
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Anyone mention Joachim Low and his “unusual” habits during a game yet?
Last time out, he was constantly mentioned…
as long as he has washed his hands
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As I say on a semi-regular basis, Purslow thought that Roy Hodgson was the right manager for Liverpool so Dyche to Villa is well within his wheelhouse.
Some sick just came info the back of my mouth.
But the talk is the owners are picking this time.....
Yeah been said by a couple of decent journos that owners are picking. Really hoping this means that they may be considering director of football role to be implemented as well
What is the difference between a director of football and the sporting director role that Lange has? For me that's pretty much the same job with a different name.
Lange runs the transfers essentially and Purslow everything else.
What I'm hopeful of is that Purslow is bought out or fired, or at very least is moved into a role where he has no input into anything to do with the football side of things and that we get a proper sporting director who would make the bigger football decisions.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
But we like you!
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
But we like you!
That made me loff.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
But we like you!
That made me loff.
I'll just stick with the Dick van dyche jokes if god forbid that happens.
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Ian Baraclough is available.
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If the owners are choosing the next manager, I really hope and pray that they will be taking the advice of someone that has a credible knowledge of football.
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Gabby just tweeted that he did his coaching badges with Amorim. Could that really be true?
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Gabby just tweeted that he did his coaching badges with Amorim. Could that really be true?
Amorim did the coaching badges. Gabby just licked them.
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
But we like you!
You can go off people...
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Sky seem certain that it won’t be poch, tuchel and frank has ruled himself out of the job
It will be interesting to see who we get, obviously until last night there were not planning on sacking stevie - so maybe it will be Dyche???
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Just read on a Brentford forum they’re nervous about the links between Lange and Frank.
What links, Lange is FCK, Frank is Brøndby. Over being in the same city at the same time I doubt there's much if a connection.
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If the choice gets as low as Dyche then I'd be begging Dean Smith to come back.
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If the choice gets as low as Dyche then I'd be begging Dean Smith to come back.
I hear you, "Seánie Dyche's claret and blue army...." doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
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Is the fella from Portugal still an option
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If it comes to Dyche it just shows how far our stock has fallen.
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If the choice gets as low as Dyche then I'd be begging Dean Smith to come back.
He’d come as well, he’s into one of his poor runs with Norwich and their entitled wurzels don’t like him.
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
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Of course I'd prefer to have Smith back to Dyche. I'd prefer Sherwood back to Dyche - if we're resigned to going down it might as well be comical rather than eye-clawingly hideous.
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"Amorim's team use interchanging movements..."
Makes him sound like railway signalman.
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If it did come to it, I'd rather have Dyche than Deano back tbh. Not that it will.
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That better not be the choice.
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Just read on a Brentford forum they’re nervous about the links between Lange and Frank.
What links, Lange is FCK, Frank is Brøndby. Over being in the same city at the same time I doubt there's much if a connection.
That's the english simpleton view >foreigners...Yes worry> from same country...Yes more worry> even Danish...Yes conspiratorial> Yes they meet up every night to plot against everything that's good about English football whilst eating raw bacon.
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
Frank: "I understand why bookmakers have me as one of the favourites, because I'm a very good manager. I'm very happy at Brentford and have unfinished business."
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Just read on a Brentford forum they’re nervous about the links between Lange and Frank.
What links, Lange is FCK, Frank is Brøndby. Over being in the same city at the same time I doubt there's much if a connection.
That's the english simpleton view >foreigners...Yes worry> from same country...Yes more worry> even Danish...Yes conspiratorial> Yes they meet up every night to plot against everything that's good about English football whilst eating raw bacon.
Or maybe it's because they were both at Lyngby and shared an office there.
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
I agree with that. PL contracts are tougher to break with lot of compensation involved whereas decent overseas coaches will walk over hot coals to get here. Not just for the regard of the League but also the welfare of their wallet.
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Or maybe it's because they were both at Lyngby and shared an office there.
Whilst munching on bacon and drinking Gammel Dansk.
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
I agree with that. PL contracts are tougher to break with lot of compensation involved whereas decent overseas coaches will walk over hot coals to get here. Not just for the regard of the League but also the welfare of their wallet.
Ha! Amorim has the most expensive but out clause for any manager in the world. As already pointed out today, I don't believe personal financial gain will be anywhere near the top of his list. Stop reading the Daily Express, Olaftab! ;)
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The £2m we paid for McLeish is still in the top 30 fees paid for a manager in world football. So fees really aren't that high.
As an aside, what we paid for Action Man hair is the 12th highest.
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Just read on a Brentford forum they’re nervous about the links between Lange and Frank.
What links, Lange is FCK, Frank is Brøndby. Over being in the same city at the same time I doubt there's much if a connection.
That's the english simpleton view >foreigners...Yes worry> from same country...Yes more worry> even Danish...Yes conspiratorial> Yes they meet up every night to plot against everything that's good about English football whilst eating raw bacon.
Or maybe it's because they were both at Lyngby and shared an office there.
That must be going back 10 years or more?
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That must be going back 10 years or more?
2003 IIRC.
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The £2m we paid for McLeish is still in the top 30 fees paid for a manager in world football. So fees really aren't that high.
As an aside, what we paid for Action Man hair is the 12th highest.
Ouch! As mentioned elsewhere third highest was 16 games under his belt Amorim from Braga to Sporting for €10m.
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It's a bit long but .......sign him now
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
I agree with that. PL contracts are tougher to break with lot of compensation involved whereas decent overseas coaches will walk over hot coals to get here. Not just for the regard of the League but also the welfare of their wallet.
Ha! Amorim has the most expensive but out clause for any manager in the world. As already pointed out today, I don't believe personal financial gain will be anywhere near the top of his list. Stop reading the Daily Express, Olaftab! ;)
Hahaha..you have sussed me out nicely RCF. I have just been outside to see if you are looking through the back fence.
By the way how much is the buy-out?
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Frank would be harder to get than Amorim according to a few journalists, not entirely sure why.
I agree with that. PL contracts are tougher to break with lot of compensation involved whereas decent overseas coaches will walk over hot coals to get here. Not just for the regard of the League but also the welfare of their wallet.
Ha! Amorim has the most expensive but out clause for any manager in the world. As already pointed out today, I don't believe personal financial gain will be anywhere near the top of his list. Stop reading the Daily Express, Olaftab! ;)
Hahaha..you have sussed me out nicely RCF. I have just been outside to see if you are looking through the back fence.
By the way how much is the buy-out?
Thirty million of your favourite Euros.
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So, you do know that we have the mighty pound and therefore 30M of that foreign stuff is small change :-[ :'(
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Board need to show they mean business.
Poch is a known quantity in this league and a safer bet to improve things immediately.
Amorim is a riskier option but could be a transformational appointment for Villa. We’d be appointing a potentially elite manager on the up. He’d be mad to come here though.
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Erm, Benitez? He wouldn't would he?
I think the Danish national manager and Roberto Martinez should be on the list.
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Gabby just tweeted that he did his coaching badges with Amorim. Could that really be true?
Amorim did the coaching badges. Gabby just licked them.
Badges at cubs and beavers don't count, Gabby.
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Erm, Benitez? He wouldn't would he?
I think the Danish national manager and Roberto Martinez should be on the list.
Can't see anyone leaving an international job if they've got a world cup around the corner
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The £2m we paid for McLeish is still in the top 30 fees paid for a manager in world football. So fees really aren't that high.
As an aside, what we paid for Action Man hair is the 12th highest.
Ouch! As mentioned elsewhere third highest was 16 games under his belt Amorim from Braga to Sporting for €10m.
5th on the list I looked at. Behind Rodgers (Leicester) AVB and Potter to Chelsea, and most expensive so far is Nagelsmann. Rodgers is also joint 8th (Liverpool).
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So, you do know that we have the mighty pound and therefore 30M of that foreign stuff is small change :-[ :'(
With the dollar so strong it's peanuts for our owners.
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Erm, Benitez? He wouldn't would he?
I think the Danish national manager and Roberto Martinez should be on the list.
Can't see anyone leaving an international job if they've got a world cup around the corner
Agreed but I wonder if they might leave Danks in charge until afterwards, given the break and all that.
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Pochettino and Tuchel aren't going to come by the looks of it.
I hope we react to that by looking for other optimistic, progressive punts rather than retracting to Dyche.
Like when we failed to get Martinez so appointed McLeish. On a style level, an absolutely asinine decision.
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I don't like Tuchel, so pleased about that.
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Anyone mention Joachim Low and his “unusual” habits during a game yet?
Last time out, he was constantly mentioned…
Henceforth we should refer to him as Tictacs Tim
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If it was me I'd go all out to get the new man in asap and give him the WC break to work with the players that aren't going to be involved with their international teams and use the time for them to become conversant with his ideas and future playing style. *
* It won't be me.
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It's a bit long but .......sign him now
Watching that, I’m surprised Wolves haven’t gone for him. I guess money could be an issue for them. But, three at the back, high press, solid defence with a not so good goal threat. He sounds perfect for them.
For us? Cash, Young or Digne, it might work. Kamara when fit, with Mings, Konsa, Carlos (again when fit) or Chambers behind.
It could suit Watkins too, he loves a high press.
He likes to take on a challenge, a club not quite working.
He could be perfect.
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Dyche would almost certainly improve us. We'd be getting better results and looking like we're actually coached. But it would be so damn uninspiring. And just screams settling for mediocrity.
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I don't mind David Moyes.
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Dyche would almost certainly improve us. We'd be getting better results and looking like we're actually coached. But it would be so damn uninspiring. And just screams settling for mediocrity.
He would organise the team and get them all fit and running for miles in the game, but God know's what he'd do with Coutinho and Buendia and all that skill.
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I want Poch or Tuchel. If we don't get either of them, and it looks like we won't, then I really don't know who I want. The rest aren't in that class at all. I'd never heard of Amorim yesterday, his lack of experience is a big worry and it would apparently cost a fair bit to get him. It's got red flags all over it.
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Remi Garde all over again?
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If it was me I'd go all out to get the new man in asap and give him the WC break to work with the players that aren't going to be involved with their international teams and use the time for them to become conversant with his ideas and future playing style. *
* It won't be me.
Seems sensible and I'd imagine that's the plan. God help Liverpool on Dec. 26th once Dyche has worked his magic.
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Remi Garde all over again?
Whose biggest mistake was believing the chancers that were running the club at that time.
we have had a lot worse.
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I want Poch or Tuchel. If we don't get either of them, and it looks like we won't, then I really don't know who I want. The rest aren't in that class at all. I'd never heard of Amorim yesterday, his lack of experience is a big worry and it would apparently cost a fair bit to get him. It's got red flags all over it.
I'd honestly put Emery ahead of Tuchel and I'd be as happy with him as with Poch. If none of them then someone like Amorim or Svensson would be next in line ahead of the likes of Dyche and Rodgers for me, an unknown with a great reputation would be a much better call than someone well known and dull, if only because it would shake away the feeling that the wheels are falling off. Dyche would be the biggest red flag of all because it would be abandoning our ambitions for the sake of safety.
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Remi Garde all over again?
Whose biggest mistake was believing the chancers that were running the club at that time.
we have had a lot worse.
the whole place was a shambles then - no-one could have saved us.
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I want Poch or Tuchel. If we don't get either of them, and it looks like we won't, then I really don't know who I want. The rest aren't in that class at all. I'd never heard of Amorim yesterday, his lack of experience is a big worry and it would apparently cost a fair bit to get him. It's got red flags all over it.
I'd honestly put Emery ahead of Tuchel and I'd be as happy with him as with Poch. If none of them then someone like Amorim or Svensson would be next in line ahead of the likes of Dyche and Rodgers for me, an unknown with a great reputation would be a much better call than someone well known and dull, if only because it would shake away the feeling that the wheels are falling off. Dyche would be the biggest red flag of all because it would be abandoning our ambitions for the sake of safety.
thats how i see it , Dyche would just signal that we are here to make up the numbers.
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Dyche is admitting that the owners are giving up their ambitions.
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If it was me I'd go all out to get the new man in asap and give him the WC break to work with the players that aren't going to be involved with their international teams and use the time for them to become conversant with his ideas and future playing style. *
* It won't be me.
And because we've been so shit hardly any of our players are involved in the WC! Perfect opportunity to get systems/set ups/tactics up and running!
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I suppose you can simplify it and put managers into 3 groups
1) Top level, Poch etc
2) Solid should do a job, Dyche etc
3) Managers on the up, Amorim etc
If you aren't in a position to get group 1, you either settle for steady group 2, or take a chance on someone in group 3 and hope they become a group 1 manager.
I know you could make more groups, but really, this is what it boils down to.
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Our treatment if Remi Garde was shameful.
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Remi Garde all over again?
Whose biggest mistake was believing the chancers that were running the club at that time.
we have had a lot worse.
He certainly proved us wrong since. But his profile when he joined was somewhat similar.
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I'd honestly put Emery ahead of Tuchel and I'd be as happy with him as with Poch. If none of them then someone like Amorim or Svensson would be next in line ahead of the likes of Dyche and Rodgers for me, an unknown with a great reputation would be a much better call than someone well known and dull, if only because it would shake away the feeling that the wheels are falling off. Dyche would be the biggest red flag of all because it would be abandoning our ambitions for the sake of safety.
thats how i see it , Dyche would just signal that we are here to make up the numbers.
I agree about Dyche. That wouldn't so much be a red flag as it would be raising the white flag. I guess Emery would be my pick after Poch and Tuchel. He's got a good record in several leagues, has experience in the PL, is used to managing big clubs with big expectations and okay it hasn't worked out for him everywhere but he has pedigree. Don't want Rodgers: Leicester fans are desperate to get rid of him, for what that's worth. Even Gerrard has outperformed him this season.
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Dyche would almost certainly improve us. We'd be getting better results and looking like we're actually coached. But it would be so damn uninspiring. And just screams settling for mediocrity.
Yep.
Much depends upon the fear of being relegated. If this is considered to be a real possibility, then Dyche would make sense.
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He certainly proved us wrong since.
At Montreal Impact? He was certainly set up to fail when he came here but at no point did Garde show he had the ability to prosper if the situation had been different.
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I'd honestly put Emery ahead of Tuchel and I'd be as happy with him as with Poch. If none of them then someone like Amorim or Svensson would be next in line ahead of the likes of Dyche and Rodgers for me, an unknown with a great reputation would be a much better call than someone well known and dull, if only because it would shake away the feeling that the wheels are falling off. Dyche would be the biggest red flag of all because it would be abandoning our ambitions for the sake of safety.
thats how i see it , Dyche would just signal that we are here to make up the numbers.
I agree about Dyche. That wouldn't so much be a red flag as it would be raising the white flag. I guess Emery would be my pick after Poch and Tuchel. He's got a good record in several leagues, has experience in the PL, is used to managing big clubs with big expectations and okay it hasn't worked out for him everywhere but he has pedigree. Don't want Rodgers: Leicester fans are desperate to get rid of him, for what that's worth. Even Gerrard has outperformed him this season.
I'm with you on all that.
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
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There’s no excuse for Dyche. We don’t need a relegation specialist type, there’s plenty of time left plus a mini season break. It would be a dreadful appointment. Do something ambitious.
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
And they and probably he, would be more amenable having got a big game out of the way.
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If we need dyche then wee have to sack Lange and purslow cos it means the issue is far more than coaching and first team set up
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Lange and Purslow should probably be sacked anyway
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What's Jossy Blair from Jossy's Giants doing at the minute?
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
Yep. We're well known for maintaining silence and Sporting will demand it with such an important game next week. If we haven't appointed anybody by Wednesday morning, get yourself down the bookies. I still don't think it will happen though. I'm trying to remember how Amorim turned down Wolves? He had a chance to turn us down this morning, a simple reply of "I'm not going anywhere, there's still plenty of work to do here" but he didn't. Instead he just said "I don't talk about other teams". Reading too much into it? I'm sure I am but at least in these few days we can dream.
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He might not fancy it, but there's a world of difference between us and poxy Wolves. Well, there had better be, we will find out in the next few days and weeks I suppose.
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Oh, and while he's watching Tottenham, if he could make some notes on how to stop that bastard Son scoring hat-tricks, that might come in handy.
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We are much, much richer than Wolves. Highly doubt they would have been able to afford his release fee and wages
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Someone who I haven't seen mentioned and isn't in the betting markets, is Andres Villas-Boas, last heard of at Marseille. He left them last year after publicly complaining about their transfers.
I don't know if he's a complete busted flush - he finished 2nd and 5th with Marseille, and his name does sort of poetically match ours...Andres Villas Boas = Aston Villa Boss?
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He does have a great name for us. Wouldn't be my top choice but ask me in a week if all the remaining candidates are shit and I might bite your hand off.
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Managed Kamara and Sanson at Marseille too.
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The fact that Dyche is even being discussed makes me nauseous.
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The fact that Dyche is even being discussed makes me nauseous.
Me too.
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Someone who I haven't seen mentioned and isn't in the betting markets, is Andres Villas-Boas, last heard of at Marseille. He left them last year after publicly complaining about their transfers.
I don't know if he's a complete busted flush - he finished 2nd and 5th with Marseille, and his name does sort of poetically match ours...Andres Villas Boas = Aston Villa Boss?
Last time I heard of Villas Boas he was competing in the Dakar Rally.
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Peter Bosz (the Dutch lad in talks recently with the Tatters) managed Bailey at Leverkusen. Not reason in and of itself to consider him for this gig, but a degree of success with Ajax and Leverkusen. Not so great spells at Dortmund and Lyon.
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Someone who I haven't seen mentioned and isn't in the betting markets, is Andres Villas-Boas, last heard of at Marseille. He left them last year after publicly complaining about their transfers.
I don't know if he's a complete busted flush - he finished 2nd and 5th with Marseille, and his name does sort of poetically match ours...Andres Villas Boas = Aston Villa Boss?
Was thinking about him today but a 2nd and 5th place finish is decent even if it’s the Championat. He should be a consideration at least.
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Someone who I haven't seen mentioned and isn't in the betting markets, is Andres Villas-Boas, last heard of at Marseille. He left them last year after publicly complaining about their transfers.
I don't know if he's a complete busted flush - he finished 2nd and 5th with Marseille, and his name does sort of poetically match ours...Andres Villas Boas = Aston Villa Boss?
Last time I heard of Villas Boas he was competing in the Dakar Rally.
Good prep for the hotseat at B6
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I would rather Beale than Dyche
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
I can just imagine that
‘ where are you off to Rube’
Oh just popping out for a little walk won’t belong but don’t wait up
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I would rather Beale than Dyche
So would I. I know Dyche’s ceiling, I don’t know Beale’s.
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I mentioned him last time and 11 months on he is still doing a good job at Mainz 05.
Bo Svensson played under both Klopp and Tuchel. He came into Mainz and saved them from near certain relegation.
They are playing tonight, winning 3-0 at the moment which takes them up to 3rd in the Bundesliga.
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Amazed he's not in the bookies odds, unless he's nailed on for Dortmund or Bayern
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
I can just imagine that
‘ where are you off to Rube’
Oh just popping out for a little walk won’t belong but don’t wait up
We have arranged to meet him incognito in a nearby owl sanctuary.
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Hipster choice Bo Svensson's Mainz are winning four-nil.
Edit: won funf-nul.
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I don't mind David Moyes.
when Moyes was available and instead of going to West Ham again and came to us people would have lost their minds.
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Wonder if Lerner is flying in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer on his private jet?
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There’s no excuse for Dyche. We don’t need a relegation specialist type, there’s plenty of time left plus a mini season break. It would be a dreadful appointment. Do something ambitious.
Agree about Dyche, it would be completely uninspiring but with our run of fixtures to the end of the year, he’s probably the only one you’d be pretty confident would pull us away from trouble pretty quickly. We don’t want to be amongst the dead men in January.
I’m really frustrated the club didn’t act after the first 6 games as it was clear he was not going to turn it round. We’ve lost the opportunity of getting that new manager bounce with a kind run of fixtures.
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I don't mind David Moyes.
when Moyes was available and instead of going to West Ham again and came to us people would have lost their minds.
Yep, just the mention of his name was producing a similar response on here as Dyche now. There wasn't exactly a big clamour for Eddie Howe either (me included) and I still wouldn't be overly keen.
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We are much, much richer than Wolves. Highly doubt they would have been able to afford his release fee and wages
We’re not actually. We may be more prepared to spend it though
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Surely we can do better than Dyche. some reports have him joint 2nd favourite.
I think I'd rather just get relegated than resort to Dyche ball and You can forget increasing the ground capacity.
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Howe had questions over his defensive set up but was always an exceptional coach, and I think I said at the time he could be a very decent appointment at Newcastle, simply because he's such an attacking manger. Moyes I agree, many noses turned up, because he's a boring dinosaur, but he's done very well second time round at West Ham. Dyche is Bruce with a ginger beard and a novelty voice.
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I said at the time Howe was a better option than Gerrard. I still didn't particularly want him so not claiming any wisdom after the event but it would, at least, have been an appointment based on some element of thought rather than just unfiltered starfucking.
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Was Howe still available when we sacked DS?
He'd have been a decent succession fit so annoying Purslow was getting giddy at appointing his hero as manager which has cost us 12 months.
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Dyche would be a terrible appointment that would suck hope and belief out of the club. The Gerrard appointment was foolish, but in a weird way it was done with some ambition. This appointment needs to be well thought out and ambitious.
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Was Howe still available when we sacked DS?
He'd have been a decent succession fit so annoying Purslow was getting giddy at appointing his hero as manager which has cost us 12 months.
No, took Newcastle about a week before
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Our treatment if Remi Garde was shameful.
Agree. We seem to have a bad track record with continental managers.
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Sporting at Tottenham on Wednesday. I could imagine us meeting Amorim that night or on Thursday, if he hasn't ruled himself out by then.
I can just imagine that
‘ where are you off to Rube’
Oh just popping out for a little walk won’t belong but don’t wait up
Or to give it a Portuguese twist, Portugal's top CEO/Playboy at the time once when questioned responded with the following:
Wife: "Where are you going?"
Husband: "Just going to buy some cigarettes."
He never returned. Or put another way, the next time they met was in the Divorce Court.
Not expecting to beat Spurs again, Sporting have some vital players out right now.
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
He'd be a very, very good appointment here.
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
He couldn't/can't speak English. He likes Peaky Blinders though.
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
He'd be a very, very good appointment here.
Yes, as I say, I never really looked into him. His record is something else. He has pretty much everything we'd want from our Next appointment. I don't remember him at Arsenal but I guess following Wenger was a tough gig?
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
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Was Howe still available when we sacked DS?
He'd have been a decent succession fit so annoying Purslow was getting giddy at appointing his hero as manager which has cost us 12 months.
No, took Newcastle about a week before
If we’d sacked Smith when the writing was on the wall we could have gone for Howe. If we’d sacked Gerrard a few weeks ago we could have gone for Potter. And I reckon they would both have snapped our hands off
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
Won the league last year with them for the first time in about 20 years
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
Not much.
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
Not much.
I think it was because they are entitled twats
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So am I, though. This could end in tears.
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
I don't know a lot about him, but it seems he actually coaches players to play to a pattern, and to get the best from them rather than cosplaying as Alex Ferguson.
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
Won the league last year with them for the first time in about 20 years
And how does that differ from Gerrard? Sporting have hardly ever been out the top3.
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63352.0
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
I don't know a lot about him, but it seems he actually coaches players to play to a pattern, and to get the best from them rather than cosplaying as Alex Ferguson.
Yes a coach appeals to me. But if Gerrard was a massive mistake and entirely unqualified, what has Almorim achied? At least Gerrard was familiar with British football and the PL
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63352.0
There’s 69 pages. Anything in particular?
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63352.0
There’s 69 pages. Anything in particular?
Just the important bits.
To summarise, Sporting are a club very much like Villa, okay we now have great owners but Sporting are massive but every bloody year they fail to deliver. Amorim comes in, shakes it up and smashes both Benfica and Porto out the water.
He's fucking special.
He speaks English.
We'd be lucky to have him.
Villa fans would love his values - a Portuguese Dean Smith.
We ain't getting him.
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He also did very well with Braga, I believe, so not a one season pony like Gerrard. Even if we don't count the Portuguese version of the Charity Shield, he still won four trophies to Gerrard's one with greater competition. I'm choosing to ignore the last bit. He's coming to Villa.
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I don’t think being familiar with the English league or football is particularly important, at least in terms of direct experience. I know he’s a higher end example, but look at what Klopp has done. Liverpool aren’t some state funded club and he’s made them raise well above where they were to be title winners/contenders and European cup winners again. He’s clearly an excellent coach, but he had no experience outside Germany. The experience of England thing is pretty meaningless if you get a quality manager.
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Can someone explain why Almorim is significantly more qualified than Gerrard was when we appointed him?
I’m not necessarily against him, but see it as a gamble. Has he achieved anything at Sporting in what is essentially a 3 team league?
Won the league last year with them for the first time in about 20 years
And how does that differ from Gerrard? Sporting have hardly ever been out the top3.
I know what you’re getting at but he achieved something that hadn’t been done for a massive club in quite a while with more formidable opponents than Gerrard had to contend with. At a guess he had to work against a large turnover of players, which hints he can get his ideas across.
I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
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He also did very well with Braga, I believe, so not a one season pony like Gerrard. I'm choosing to ignore the last bit. He's coming to Villa.
Ha! You three at the back fans remind me of Liz Truss without the U turn. Loons! ;)
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It isn't three at the back if I always close one eye so I can't see all the defenders.
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I know there have been plenty of bad foreign managers, but I honestly believe in general they are more tactically aware than British ones
I’m totally fed up with the line of mainly British managers we’ve had and want a change
With the exception of Potter (and he served his apprenticeship abroad ) they’re basically all the same shit tactics negative lineups no imagination, pull your socks up type stuff, i’ve had enough of that shit
It’s no coincidence that the British managers are mainly clustered down the bottom of the premiership playing absolutely bollocks Football
I suppose Howe might also break the mould but I can guarantee that when Newcastle start motoring on he will be discarded and a foreign big-name manager bought in
So when you say what’s the difference between Amorim and Gerard the biggest one for me is one is foreign and one is British, so straight away he’ll have more nous
I know I’m stroking with a broad brush here and the argument can be picked apart here and there but in general that’s where I am
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The Portuguese league is miles miles better than the Scottish - there are 4 main teams basically but they still are competitive in Champions League. Plus the young players he bought through - quaresm, matheus nunes.
He's also known as being an excellent coach and is probably the most highly rated young coach in Europe.
Not even vaguely similar to Gerrard, lazy comparisons.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
I'm trying to forget last night and getting our arse served up to us by one. The big difference I see is Portugal takes Coaching to an academic level before it's rolled out into practice. Obviously there are exceptions but the trend is there.
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Villa fans would love his values - a Portuguese Dean Smith.
Does he stand there chewing his lip when things are going badly?
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Villa fans would love his values - a Portuguese Dean Smith.
Does he stand there chewing his lip when things are going badly?
Satanist!
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Danks said he was asked to lead the team ‘for the next couple of days’. Not weeks, or until otherwise told. I wonder if the new person is already in negotiations or even appointed and will be announced early next week, already sounded out.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
Remember when Spain were the best team in the world and we managed to sign the only Spanish footballer who couldn’t trap a football.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
Remember when Spain were the best team in the world and we managed to sign the only Spanish footballer who couldn’t trap a football.
Remember when we signed Wesley for £22m?
The only Brazilian male on the planet with no natural ability with a football.
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Was Howe still available when we sacked DS?
He'd have been a decent succession fit so annoying Purslow was getting giddy at appointing his hero as manager which has cost us 12 months.
No, took Newcastle about a week before
If we’d sacked Smith when the writing was on the wall we could have gone for Howe. If we’d sacked Gerrard a few weeks ago we could have gone for Potter. And I reckon they would both have snapped our hands off
Eddie Howe was a brave appointment by Newcastle, who if I recall correctly a certain Stevie G turned down. His last gig had seen him relegate Bournemouth with some very patchy recruitment in later years there and he spent a long time flirting with Celtic before pulling out. Any other number of clubs in the PL swerved him, not just us. It's revisionist to suggest otherwise.
Just because Potter went to Chelsea doesn't mean he would have been right for us either. Thought they were dreadful when they played us last week. So let's see how long he gets before he is Potted.
Best to look forward now. I just have a horrible feeling Purslow has been caught asleep at the wheel and only started sussing out alternatives to Gerrard a week or so ago.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
Remember when Spain were the best team in the world and we managed to sign the only Spanish footballer who couldn’t trap a football.
and ask him to maraud down the right flank!!
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The big difference is that Amorim is the one who does the coaching, rather than his assistant who can be tempted away and set us back.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
Remember when Spain were the best team in the world and we managed to sign the only Spanish footballer who couldn’t trap a football.
Remember when we signed Wesley for £22m?
The only Brazilian male on the planet with no natural ability with a football.
To be fair he does have one leg shorter than the other by at least a foot.
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I’ve no idea how good he is or if he’s just the latest fad, Portugal does produce a fair amount of decent coaches/managers though.
Remember when Spain were the best team in the world and we managed to sign the only Spanish footballer who couldn’t trap a football.
Remember when we signed Wesley for £22m?
The only Brazilian male on the planet with no natural ability with a football.
To be fair he does have one leg shorter than the other by at least a foot.
Never did Garrincha any harm. I bet that’s the first time those two have been thought about in the same sentence.
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From the outside we are, at best, a mid-table team. Currently we're not even that. Nobody of serious quality or standing will entertain joining us, unless they want to end their career.
Maybe Emery, but he's rebuilt his reputation in Spain & why come here?
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A managers ego says they can be the ones to take us where we want to go and become legends in the process….they may also get a few quid to top up their bank balance.
TBF Emery has done quite a bit and may feel he has less to lose.
It’s set up for Poch perfectly but he obviously doesn’t think it’s worth the risk of tainting his reputation although you would think he would back himself, I can’t see him going to a super club anytime soon. He’ll regret turning us down if he has.
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From the outside we are, at best, a mid-table team. Currently we're not even that. Nobody of serious quality or standing will entertain joining us, unless they want to end their career.
Maybe Emery, but he's rebuilt his reputation in Spain & why come here?
Everton appointed Carlo Ancelotti in December 2019 sitting 16th in the table.
We are a big club with a load of potential, massive fan base and wealthy owners in the most talked about and marketed league in the world. There is no reason we cannot get someone of very decent reputation. Sometimes we really do talk ourselves down.
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
He'd be a very, very good appointment here.
Seems to do well with clubs with "villa" in the name.
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I'm not saying for a second I want Dyche, but...isn't there a possibility that he was cutting his cloth accordingly at Burnley, and wouldn't necessarily play the same way given greater resources?
The McLeish argument. That went well.
The McLeish appointment will always be inexplicable and easily the worst decision in my 35 years watching the Villa.
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Since 1980 we have got it right just four times. Big Ron, Brian Little, SGT and MON. Perhaps a 5th with Dean? The other ones have been various shades of medium to lower end shite. Purslow seems to have a track record of appointing wtf people. I hope to hell he proves me wrong this time.
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Tony Barton?
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I never really studied Emery until tonight. Wow, he has quite a phenomenal CV. What went wrong at Arsenal?
He'd be a very, very good appointment here.
Seems to do well with clubs with "villa" in the name.
Time to come to the real Villa.
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Who voted for Southgate? :D
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A managers ego says they can be the ones to take us where we want to go and become legends in the process….they may also get a few quid to top up their bank balance.
I don't think that is their thought process. Once you have reached a certain 'level', you are unlikely to start over by going back to where you were ten or fifteen years ago. I certainly wouldn't in my own career. Even if I'd be, comparatively, very well renumerated for doing so, it is unlikely it would be more than what I make in my current position. So why take on the extra risk, extra stress, extra hours that a fixer-project means that other people would likely also interpret as a downgrade, which could potentially hurt my future interests. Money is an important parameter but, again, at that level probably not the deciding factor. The dedicing factor I believe is career management.
This changes, I think, once a manager has had repeated lack of success, e.g. someone like Mourinho but I still think there's a reluctance to take on a project at that stage of their career. We need to find someone that is less proven but hungry which means it becomes riskier.
Ancelottis is, rightly, often brought up as evidence it can happen but I suspect it keeps being brought up because it was so unusual.
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I reckon Nuno will be on Purslow’s long list if the preferred options don’t work out. He built a decent side at Wolves, and qualified for Europe, before it petered out after losing Jimenez to that bad injury.
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Who voted for Southgate? :D
Also Dyce and Bruce have a "want" vote ?
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The Times this morning are reporting that Poch has turned us down, Tuchel not interested, so our attention has turned to Amorim
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Emery or Amorim would be excellent.
Given what my e stands for I'd clearly be happy with former but can we please put a ban on the fucking Dick quotes if he does come in, I've had that shit for most of my life and it stopped being funny or relevant when I was still in school.
Ooh, that must have been awful. But we like you.
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Who voted for Southgate? :D
Also Dyce and Bruce have a "want" vote ?
Has to be a Troll taking the piss
I hate this time , you hope for a Mancini type appointment but in your heart you know you are going to be underwhelmed.
Nuno can also go on the list of no thank you candidates for that reason
MON was the last time I was really optimistic about an appointment
My God we have had a load of crap since then only Dean has gone on for (albeit short) decent spell after leaving us.
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The Times this morning are reporting that Poch has turned us down, Tuchel not interested, so our attention has turned to Amorim
At least we apparently tried to go for him, so fair enough.
I'd be over the moon with Emery, I don't know enough about Amorim to have an opinion tbh. At least it does look like we're trying to aim high.
If we end up with Dyche because no other fucker is interested, then that really will be fucking depressing.
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Who voted for Southgate? :D
Mason Mount
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Who voted for Southgate? :D
Also Dyce and Bruce have a "want" vote ?
Yes, either of those three would end any love I have left for Villa. I'd have rather just kept Smith/Gerrard.
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Have a read of Amorims Wikipedia, he sounds too tactically sound for us
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We need someone who understands and believes in the value of tactics, and who is a good motivator and man manager who can build good team spirit and a strong work ethic. All of this would ideally be proven over several seasons / clubs, as I think there is a large randomness factor with managers inheriting players over a short time frame.
I don’t believe we particularly need a “name” to make people sit up and take notice. We won’t get current Champions League level players at the moment, and a name might just help get you players slightly past their best (Coutinho and Digne, for example).
Therefore I’m not at all sold on Tuchel - I didn’t see a great love for him at Chelsea. I wouldn’t go for Zidane (not that he’d come anyway). I’m also not totally convinced by the young Portugese feller - I basically have no idea, but 30m sounds a lot of budget to spend on someone with a couple of good seasons behind them in a very different league.
I would love someone like Potter or Howe basically, but obviously we wouldn’t get those two now.
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I'll be honest, there is a lot of hate for Dyche. He took Burnley into Europe for heaven's sake! He would certainly not take any crap from the players and this view of the type of football he plays - he did he best with the players he had.
Amorim looks interesting but a real risk. Only 37 and managed in Portugal but he's done well there.
Emery looks interesting too. Let's see where that leads.
We have to be honest. We're 4th from bottom. We're not going to get elite managers based on our current position. The above 3 are the best we can hope for. Jesus, even Frank wanted to stay at Brentford!
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Nuno
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Dyche is a 15 years younger Allardyce. If that's where we are at, we've all given up.
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Dyche is a 15 years younger Allardyce. If that's where we are at, we've all given up.
I'm done if we go Dyche.
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Dyche ?
Seriously?
Fucking Sean Dyche ?
I despair.
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A managers ego says they can be the ones to take us where we want to go and become legends in the process….they may also get a few quid to top up their bank balance.
I don't think that is their thought process. Once you have reached a certain 'level', you are unlikely to start over by going back to where you were ten or fifteen years ago. I certainly wouldn't in my own career. Even if I'd be, comparatively, very well renumerated for doing so, it is unlikely it would be more than what I make in my current position. So why take on the extra risk, extra stress, extra hours that a fixer-project means that other people would likely also interpret as a downgrade, which could potentially hurt my future interests. Money is an important parameter but, again, at that level probably not the deciding factor. The dedicing factor I believe is career management.
I take your point but in Poch’s case he’s not super elite he’s in the band one or two levels below. He didn’t get the Man U or Chelsea jobs when he was available. He went to PSG after over achieving at Spurs and had connections to the club but failed.
You’re probably right that he doesn’t want to drop down as far as us but I just struggle to see where he’ll go particularly when it was reported he wanted a project. He’d get the finances, support and patience here.
He might have to wait a bit longer for Juve or Atletico under normal circumstances but with the natural break coming up we might see some unusual activity. Are we prepared to wait till the World Cup and potentially right off the games before?
Edit. Write off!
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I’m in the “wouldn’t totally hate Dyche” camp.
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All about opinions, but Dyche would be the absolute death of any ambition.
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As I said, going in for Beale makes more sense than Dyche.
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If I can’t dream big with 2 multi billionaires in charge when can I. Dyche oh dear.
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All about opinions, but Dyche would be the absolute death of any ambition.
Absolutely 100% this. I genuinely can’t comprehend that some are even suggesting him
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We have to be honest. We're 4th from bottom. We're not going to get elite managers based on our current position.
This is down to Purslow and the owners, they let this situation get out of hand and now we look like a basket case.
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All about opinions, but Dyche would be the absolute death of any ambition.
Absolutely 100% this. I genuinely can’t comprehend that some are even suggesting him
He kept Burnley up on a limited budget, if we go for Dyche then we know the plan.
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I don't get the hatred for Dyche either. He worked wonders at Burnley and over a long period, not just breifly. The problem is, the football is crap and thugish. Would i want him at Villa right now? God no. If we take a punt on some supposed 'cultured' manager who has been good for about 5 minutes but hasn't faced the kind of pressure and goldfish bowl he'd have at the Villa, tasked with sorting this lot out and we end up getting relegated, i'd take Dyche in a shot to get us back up and stabilised.
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The squad we had in our relegation season was the worst I can remember. It was devoid of talent and had players with shocking attitudes. The current squad is miles, miles better. We don't need a 'relegation battle specialist'. We need a great manager who can get us back into European football.
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Exactly.
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I’m in the “wouldn’t totally hate Dyche” camp.
I pitched the tents.
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All about opinions, but Dyche would be the absolute death of any ambition.
Absolutely 100% this. I genuinely can’t comprehend that some are even suggesting him
He kept Burnley up on a limited budget, if we go for Dyche then we know the plan.
Survival, which really is the opposite to the plan I thought they had in mind.
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We have to be honest. We're 4th from bottom. We're not going to get elite managers based on our current position.
This is down to Purslow and the owners, they let this situation get out of hand and now we look like a basket case.
I think he could and should have gone earlier but we’re hardly cut adrift at the bottom of the league and I’m not getting the basket case thing.
7 points from 7th, string a few wins together and we’ll be on the move, there’s a lot of mediocrity this season including us. Get someone in who has a semblance of instilling a bit of confidence and knows what they’re doing and we can get the season back on track.
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Are we prepared to wait till the World Cup and potentially write off the games before?
Definitely not! Get them in next week, give them the remaining pre-WC games to assess and make some tweaks; getting the new-manager bounce. Then, use the WC to properly re-set.
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The statement “wouldn’t totally hate Dyche” I think is bang on. I want us to be more ambitious, but the position we're in ... he may be what we need.
I'm just being a realist.
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Are we prepared to wait till the World Cup and potentially write off the games before?
Definitely not! Get them in next week, give them the remaining pre-WC games to assess and make some tweaks; getting the new-manager bounce. Then, use the WC to properly re-set.
Totally agree but if it meant getting your top choice or a higher calibre manager.
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The statement “wouldn’t totally hate Dyche” I think is bang on. I want us to be more ambitious, but the position we're in ... he may be what we need.
I'm just being a realist.
When do clubs ever go after a new manager when they're top of the league? If we applied your logic we would be appointing relegation specialists for the rest of time and will never be better than a club battling relegation.
The season has hardly begun, the new manager has a squad far better than it appeared under the last incompetent, a lengthy World Cup break to develop plans and owners with shitloads of cash to help them bring in players.
If, with all those advantages, the best we can do is appoint Sean Dychebag, we may as well all give up.
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Are we prepared to wait till the World Cup and potentially write off the games before?
Definitely not! Get them in next week, give them the remaining pre-WC games to assess and make some tweaks; getting the new-manager bounce. Then, use the WC to properly re-set.
Totally agree but if it meant getting a higher calibre manager.
This is absolutely what we have to do this time, and if it takes a while, so be it.
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I won't be panicking if we don't have someone in by the Newcastle game, but can't see any reason whatsoever why we would need to be waiting until after the World Cup. I want our manager watching the competition deciding which megastars he is going to sign.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
I don't think we are in a bad enough position to need Dyce.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
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I think the game has moved on even since Dyche so even though people are saying Dyche did this and that at Burnley how long did it take him to achieve those things?
English managers are getting left far behind regarding setting up teams tactically and that's why the Portuguese are the popular choice currently as it seems to be something they are really educated in.
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We’d have to be bottom of League One before I’d consider we were in a bad enough position to want Dyche.
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Newcastle were in the shit, appointed a manager who stereotypically wouldn't be 'what you need down here', who plays fruity, egghead football with thinking and other suspect things, and out they got of the shit nonetheless.
It's results. The best managers, modern ones, who understand the, you know, the sport, they're the most likely to get results. Get one of them in.
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He had got a lot of PL experience though. I also don't think anyone seriously expected him to do as well as he has. Hindsight is a great thing but if we'd have got him instead of Gerrard.....
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Two things I keep coming back to
Why did we sack critchley so soon if we don’t have a successor lined up
This porteguese guy sounds great but it sounds just like our Steven but with a cooler name
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They could get us to decide the team via one of the pre-match thread threads and we'd do better than him.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
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I’m not sure the World Cup is a good place to shop for managers. They’re either ones who didn’t quite cut it at club level (Southgate, Martinez) or in the waiting room for retirement.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
Emery is the gettable, realistic option who has the experience and nous to meet our current needs.
From Villareal to the Real Villa.
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If the best we can do is shit coat, we'll all be having this same discussion in 12 months.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
Emery is the gettable, realistic option who has the experience and nous to meet our current needs.
From Villareal to the Real Villa.
More I read about him, more I am sure he would be the best fit.
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Why do people keep mentioning Poch when he's already ruled himself out?
Maybe he'll do a Ron Atkinson and do a last minute u-turn. I mean, ffs, the whole country is in a friggin' u-turn mode after all ...
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we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
Can't remember the last good month we had
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we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
Can't remember the last good month we had
July.
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I would like Pottichino , but looks like a non starter. If we can get Ruben Amorim or Unai Emery I wouldn't be disappointed and shows a bit of ambition.
Sean Dyche !!! To quote/paraphrase an Old Tommy Docherty joke.
"Saint John's ambulance would run on the pitch when the full time whistle blows , to stretcher the match ball off ."
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we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
Can't remember the last good month we had
July.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
Emery is the gettable, realistic option who has the experience and nous to meet our current needs.
From Villareal to the Real Villa.
I wouldn't be too disappointed if we appointed Emery but only if we fail to land one of the bigger hitters on our list. As for Sean Dyche- never in a million years. I hope and pray our owners wouldn't consider him for even a nano second. Why anyone would think he's what we need right now is baffling. Who else? Big Sam? Steve Bruce?
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I like Emery but I see he turned down Newcastle last year and seems to be very happy at Villarreal so Ive just read
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The dynamic is always the same when we change manager.
A few days in, you get people starting to sink towards the previously unthinkable.
Dyche is the new Allardyce in that dynamic.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
Emery is the gettable, realistic option who has the experience and nous to meet our current needs.
From Villareal to the Real Villa.
I wouldn't be too disappointed if we appointed Emery but only if we fail to land one of the bigger hitters on our list. As for Sean Dyche- never in a million years. I hope and pray our owners wouldn't consider him for even a nano second. Why anyone would think he's what we need right now is baffling. Who else? Big Sam? Steve Bruce?
Who are the bigger hitters than Emery? After Poch and Tuchel ruling themselves out, I'd put Emery in line after Amorim
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I like Emery but I see he turned down Newcastle last year and seems to be very happy at Villarreal so Ive just read
On the other hand, he may have a few scruples!
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Yeah, that's what I'm hoping.
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There must be a reason why Sean Dyche hasn’t been snapped up by one of the clubs currently looking for a new manager?
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There must be a reason why Sean Dyche hasn’t been snapped up by one of the clubs currently looking for a new manager?
Yes, he’s not very good and plays horrible football.
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In the words of John Otway. Sort of.
Really Poch, really Poch really really really Poch, take Poch.
This is Aston Villa though and I think it will be Dyche. In our dreadful position currently I wouldn't be 100% against him coming in.
We've played eleven games, we are one good month away from the European places. We are hardly cut adrift. Sean Dyche, FFS.
As I said I'd absolutely love Poch to come as I think we can match his ambition.
Emery is the gettable, realistic option who has the experience and nous to meet our current needs.
From Villareal to the Real Villa.
I wouldn't be too disappointed if we appointed Emery but only if we fail to land one of the bigger hitters on our list. As for Sean Dyche- never in a million years. I hope and pray our owners wouldn't consider him for even a nano second. Why anyone would think he's what we need right now is baffling. Who else? Big Sam? Steve Bruce?
Who are the bigger hitters than Emery? After Poch and Tuchel ruling themselves out, I'd put Emery in line after Amorim
Just catching up. I didn't know Poch and Tuchel were ruled out. That's disappointing. I'd never heard of Amorim before yesterday. This feels like a huge moment inour history. Let's hope they get it right this time.
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Sean feckin Dyche - No thanks. That would be the end for me.
Absolutely no point talking about ambition or spending millions on superstar players if you're not going to invest in the top job. Poch or bust for me....
I think Amorim is risky, but I'd prefer to see him over Dyche or pretty much anyone else from the Manager Merry-Go-Round crew!
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There is nothing to suggest that they’ll go for Dyche from their previous appointments. Smith was clearly the right man at the right time and although Gerrard was a flop I don’t think he was given the job because they though he’d deliver old fashioned long-ball football. It’s still early enough the season for a more progressive manager to turn things around.
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I’m not sure the World Cup is a good place to shop for managers. They’re either ones who didn’t quite cut it at club level (Southgate, Martinez) or in the waiting room for retirement.
I dont think it’s a case of actually shopping at the World Cup but it’s an obvious time where clubs will assess where they are and make moves for managers, not necessarily participating in the tournament. For instance Juve get rid of Allegri and appoint someone other than our preferred candidate then it’s one less club they can go to and makes us more appealing.
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Talking of new managers I noticed Oldham appointed David Unsworth last month. I assume it’s the same Unsworth we know and love?
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they might try a man utd ralf rangnick situation and get a interim until the end of the world cup or end of the season. Might think there would be more availability. Poch may think fuck it, lets have it then.
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Emery would be my first choice now Poch and Tuchel don't seem up for it. But I think he's more than happy where he is.
I always used to play as Villareal in the master league in pro evo soccer as a kid.
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Reports are that Aston Villa are said to be ‘crazy’ about Sporting CP coach Rúben Amorim and see him as one of the best solutions to lead the team. Villa are not deterred by the €30m release clause and will ‘insist’ on getting him.
I don't really see the cost being an issue I mean you get a mediocre midfielder for that these days. yesterday I hardly knew anything about him today im thinking he sounds like the best man for the job after the other Managers that have turned us down.
I'm ready to get hurt again...
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we won't pay that for a manager but we've wasted huge figures on strikers that are a bag of wank....
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Dyche would be a Lerner appointment after he had lost interest. Hassenhuttl would be an on-the-cheap Ellis type decision.
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Emery, for me, would be the one out of the three "elite" (I really don't like that term) options with the most motivation to succeed, given the way he was treated when at Arsenal. A hungry, fired-up manager with a fantastic CV would tick an awful lot of boxes.
Rúben Amorim would be a gamble - hugely exciting, yes, but a real punt. I was reading about him today and the guy kind of reminds me of John Gregory, in the way he seems able to galvanise and get instant results from a team. Because he is so inexperienced and has no long, detailed CV to pore over, it is hard to know how he would respond to a crisis or high pressure moments of media/fan scrutiny, though. The weight of the "highest release clause" in history could very soon become a burden and a stick the UK media would use to beat both him and Aston Villa. If the punt actually paid off, however, it could be spectacular...
I hope Brian Little and other wise heads are being consulted. Please Villa and football gods, let's get this call right.
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Rúben Amorim could go either way. It could be an inspirational appointment à la Klopp at Liverpool (I know he had a good record before but not at the level he's had with the Scousers) or it could be a Billy McNeil-like disaster.
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I don't get the hatred for Dyche either. He worked wonders at Burnley and over a long period, not just breifly. The problem is, the football is crap and thugish. Would i want him at Villa right now? God no. If we take a punt on some supposed 'cultured' manager who has been good for about 5 minutes but hasn't faced the kind of pressure and goldfish bowl he'd have at the Villa, tasked with sorting this lot out and we end up getting relegated, i'd take Dyche in a shot to get us back up and stabilised.
That’s the kind of thinking that got us Steve Bruce. I just hope the owners have got a bit more ambition then that
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I don't get the hatred for Dyche either. He worked wonders at Burnley and over a long period, not just breifly. The problem is, the football is crap and thugish. Would i want him at Villa right now? God no. If we take a punt on some supposed 'cultured' manager who has been good for about 5 minutes but hasn't faced the kind of pressure and goldfish bowl he'd have at the Villa, tasked with sorting this lot out and we end up getting relegated, i'd take Dyche in a shot to get us back up and stabilised.
That’s the kind of thinking that got us Steve Bruce. I just hope the owners have got a bit more ambition then that
What is?
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I wonder what the likes of Cortinho and Buendia would think if Sean Dyche turned up at bodimore.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
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He should stick to Homes Under The Hammer.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Has the experience....
Can't say I like the bloke, seemed to somehow be idolised at Newcastle, when he wasn't any better than Bruce.
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
Welcome to the site.
You're insane.
That would be ten times stupider than appointing Gerrard which was already really, massively, stupid.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Has the experience....
Can't say I like the bloke, seemed to somehow be idolised at Newcastle, when he wasn't any better than Bruce.
It would only take two poor results before the comments and fall out of the Gareth Barry to Liverpool saga resurfaced.
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
New username footy?
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Has the experience....
Can't say I like the bloke, seemed to somehow be idolised at Newcastle, when he wasn't any better than Bruce.
I'd like to stop with the Liverpool connections right now.
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
You’re Ashley Young and I claim my prize 😂
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
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Talking of new managers I noticed Oldham appointed David Unsworth last month. I assume it’s the same Unsworth we know and love?
It was near enough to Merseyside for him to agree terms.
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I like Emery but I see he turned down Newcastle last year and seems to be very happy at Villarreal so Ive just read
On the other hand, he may have a few scruples!
Scruples? Did they replace the Peseta?
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
Micah Richards has analysis?
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
You’re Ashley Young and I claim my prize 😂
That’s what I was thinking, but likes like I missed the prize !
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
Are there any good pundits really??
If I watch MoTD for example I just reach for the remote and fast forward past the shite and onto the next game.
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Im warming to Amorim. Everything I’ve read on him sounds impressive. I also want the parallel universe where we get the highly rated Portuguese coach and wolves get the young English no mark.
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Just putting it out there - i'd appoint Ashley Young (even if he doesn't have coaching badges!)
Why ?
He's already there, knows the players, won't need time to get a feel for the club nor cast an eye over his staff, we won't need to pay compensation (put it towards his transfer kitty!) he clearly is a leader, has a brain and is our player-of-the-season so far !
He wouldn't be divisive among the fanbase and would unite us all - something which has been sorely lacking since Dean Smith was cruelly axed.
Would the football be any worse than under Gerrard?
If he returned to the club, it must be because he has feelings for Aston Villa.
Welcome to the site.
You're insane.
That would be ten times stupider than appointing Gerrard which was already really, massively, stupid.
😁
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The squad we had in our relegation season was the worst I can remember. It was devoid of talent and had players with shocking attitudes. The current squad is miles, miles better. We don't need a 'relegation battle specialist'. We need a great manager who can get us back into European football.
Exactly, God we are in need of some sexy futbol
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I’m not here advocating Dyche, but imagine this was all happening before Moyes went back to West Ham a second time and we were linked with him. A manager known for bland football, and had failed at all his jobs post Everton. The architect of the 4-6-0. Everyone would be miserable. Yet Moyes has created a really excellent team at West Ham. So while I’d like for us to show more ambition in our search, we might need a more pragmatic approach right now.
The truth is with all of these searches we have no idea who the club has actually contacted or offered the opportunity to, and who has applied. For this appointment we cannot risk regression and we have too many good players that someone with talent should be able to make good use of. Our players are not as bad as they have been.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
Micah Richards has analysis?
Yes - but it isn't very good.
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Benitez? Just no. I don't think Digne would be too impressed either.
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Im warming to Amorim. Everything I’ve read on him sounds impressive. I also want the parallel universe where we get the highly rated Portuguese coach and wolves get the young English no mark.
Is Amorim with the wrong agent for Wolves? Surprised they’ve not been linked as they buy every youngster from Portugal.
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Im warming to Amorim. Everything I’ve read on him sounds impressive. I also want the parallel universe where we get the highly rated Portuguese coach and wolves get the young English no mark.
Is Amorim with the wrong agent for Wolves? Surprised they’ve not been linked as they buy every youngster from Portugal.
He was reportedly their top choice, but he told them to bugger off.
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55 of us think Dyche?
SG I understood as a gamble at this level but Dyche, you think the sum total of our ambition is Dyche in our development? Is their thinking “We’ll give SG a go, if it doesn’t work out we’ve always got Sean Dyche to fall back on?”
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How old is Arsene Wenger
Is he passed it now or still got a bit left in the tank, he’d Make us play Nice football with the players we have
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Im warming to Amorim. Everything I’ve read on him sounds impressive. I also want the parallel universe where we get the highly rated Portuguese coach and wolves get the young English no mark.
Is Amorim with the wrong agent for Wolves? Surprised they’ve not been linked as they buy every youngster from Portugal.
He was reportedly their top choice, but he told them to bugger off.
Not a given that he’d want to join us then. Whilst we know we are a bigger club I’d imagine the perspective from Portugal might be different.
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As has everyone else so far, it appears.
At least Villa are being told to bugger-off by the likes of Poch and Tuch
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How old is Arsene Wenger
It’s actually his birthday today. 73 candles on the cake
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How old is Arsene Wenger
It’s actually his birthday today. 73 candles on the cake
Happy Birthday to him
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Im warming to Amorim. Everything I’ve read on him sounds impressive. I also want the parallel universe where we get the highly rated Portuguese coach and wolves get the young English no mark.
Is Amorim with the wrong agent for Wolves? Surprised they’ve not been linked as they buy every youngster from Portugal.
He was reportedly their top choice, but he told them to bugger off.
Not a given that he’d want to join us then. Whilst we know we are a bigger club I’d imagine the perspective from Portugal might be different.
Put it like this, nobody here had ever heard of Wolves until Nuno went there.
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More I think about it, more I want Emery, but I think we will go much safer.
I did think it might be Dyche, but I reckon we will bung a few million to Leicester and solve their issue of not being able to sack Brenda.
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I’d rather it be Rodgers. He’s been successful. He has hit a sticky patch but he’s created teams that play good football, and have won things.
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For where we are at, he'd be a decent appointment in fairness.
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Rodgers is a blast from the past. I wanted us to appoint him as manager when we then appointed Lambert.
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I’ve nothing against Rogers but it’s a game of momentum and he’s in charge of one of the few sides worse than us
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The statement “wouldn’t totally hate Dyche” I think is bang on. I want us to be more ambitious, but the position we're in ... he may be what we need.
I'm just being a realist.
Same 'McLeish won a trophy, vibes
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I’ve nothing against Rogers but it’s a game of momentum and he’s in charge of one of the few sides worse than us
In terms of momentum they’ve started to look a bit more decent and have 4 points from their last two games, whereas we’ve lost our last two and not won in 4.
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Paying compensation to a club to take a manager who most of their fans would be happy to pay off to leave doesn't seem like great business sense. Rodgers would be very bland and I want "holy shit he's amazing", thanks.
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Christ, 30m euros release for Amorim.
Football is f**king bonkers.
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Paying compensation to a club to take a manager who most of their fans would be happy to pay off to leave doesn't seem like great business sense. Rodgers would be very bland and I want "holy shit he's amazing", thanks.
Yes although if ended up as a choice between Rodgers and Dyche then Rodgers every day of the week.
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Christ, 30m euros release for Amorim.
Football is f**king bonkers.
Forest payed £40m for Morgan Gibbs-White so it sounds like a bargain to me.
No, I agree. It's ridiclous.
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Some bloke on Twitter who has long claimed to be ITK reckons we're making an official approach for Rodgers next week.
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Did Purslow work with Rodgers at Liverpool?
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At least Rodgers knows Coutinho, I think! I'd be ok with Rodgers.
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Leicester have either sold their best players or let their contracts run down to the extent that the players have one eye on a free transfer. It’s a tough job at the moment and I’m not surprised Rodgers is struggling.
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We could do better, but we could do a lot worse
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The way Rodgers mentioned how "Steven needed more time" and "there isn't any patience now"wouldn't appear to suggest he has any handle on our club.
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Paying compensation to a club to take a manager who most of their fans would be happy to pay off to leave doesn't seem like great business sense. Rodgers would be very bland and I want "holy shit he's amazing", thanks.
Yes although if ended up as a choice between Rodgers and Dyche then Rodgers every day of the week.
Yes, agreed. Very much hope those aren't the options.
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The way Rodgers mentioned how "Steven needed more time" and "there isn't any patience now"wouldn't appear to suggest he has any handle on our club.
In fairness, managers are hardly gonna say "I'd have sacked the twat".
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We could do better, but we could do a lot worse
Let's choose the former option, then.
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Rodgers would be an excellent appointment in my opinion. Yes he’s hit a sticky patch. So did Moyes and he’s got the experience to bounce back. He has been successful in Scotland and England, and likes to play a good brand of football and he’s at the right age to rebuild us long term. It makes sense on many levels in terms of where we are now and who might realistically be available. A pragmatic choice with significant upside.
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He would be boring as fuck. He'd be just the sort of appointment people would expect us to make, and if we keep living down to expectations we will never, ever challenge.
Next level manager required.
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Rodgers isn’t boring he’s been pretty successful, bar recently, and has had his teams playing decent stuff. He’s a different level to the likes of Dyche.
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Rogers would be as good as any mentioned and a lot better than most (other than Poch). If we’re not getting Poch I certainly wouldn’t be too upset with Rogers.
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He would be boring as fuck. He'd be just the sort of appointment people would expect us to make, and if we keep living down to expectations we will never, ever challenge.
Next level manager required.
Exactly.
Had enough of Purslow and his predecessor’s talking about ambition.
Show us it this time.
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More I think about it, more I want Emery, but I think we will go much safer.
I did think it might be Dyche, but I reckon we will bung a few million to Leicester and solve their issue of not being able to sack Brenda.
I'd say Emery is a far safer appointment than Dyche.
Dyche would probably keep us up, but then we're stuck with him, and have our future is finishing 10th-16th every season or until he has an inevitable bad run.
Emery would definitely keep us up also, but the ceiling is much higher. We might even win a cup.
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He would be boring as fuck. He'd be just the sort of appointment people would expect us to make, and if we keep living down to expectations we will never, ever challenge.
Next level manager required.
Exactly.
Had enough of Purslow and his predecessor’s talking about ambition.
Show us it this time.
Rodgers has had Leicester top 6/7 last 3 seasons and won the fa Cup. I would take that the next 2/3 years. He tends to do very well for a period, its about knowing when to pot him.
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The way Rodgers mentioned how "Steven needed more time" and "there isn't any patience now"wouldn't appear to suggest he has any handle on our club.
He's a fellow manager so what did you expect him to say? Or do you think he should have "positioned" himself for the job?
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He would be boring as fuck. He'd be just the sort of appointment people would expect us to make, and if we keep living down to expectations we will never, ever challenge.
Next level manager required.
Agree and I think the the club want to find the next big thing, not take part in the usual uninspiring managerial circus if they can’t attract a current big name coach. Tried it with Gerrard, and now this Portuguese bloke.
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More I think about it, more I want Emery, but I think we will go much safer.
I did think it might be Dyche, but I reckon we will bung a few million to Leicester and solve their issue of not being able to sack Brenda.
I'd say Emery is a far safer appointment than Dyche.
Dyche would probably keep us up, but then we're stuck with him, and have our future is finishing 10th-16th every season or until he has an inevitable bad run.
Emery would definitely keep us up also, but the ceiling is much higher. We might even win a cup.
He's good at winning cups. That should be a very important consideration. If he won the FA Cup with us he'd basically be canonised.
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He would be boring as fuck. He'd be just the sort of appointment people would expect us to make, and if we keep living down to expectations we will never, ever challenge.
Next level manager required.
I agree. If its him so be it, but it will smell of Purslow taking the easy route and getting ‘another’ that he already knows. It would show very acumen.
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Can we add Klopp to the poll?😜
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Purslow hasn’t worked with Rodgers.
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Some bloke on Twitter who has long claimed to be ITK reckons we're making an official approach for Rodgers next week.
Leicester are picking up now so would be a strange time to leave them. Feels he's got over the worst at Leicester.
I think Rodgers would be a good fit for our squad but think he needs a bit of a break from game at same time. That said it will be three more games and then a six week break where he can have a few weeks in the sun.
He took over Leicester when they were about 14th in league and lead them to two 5th place finishes. And an FA cup win and european SF. I think we'd all that that in next five seasons!
Does have the feel though one of the owners made a big play for Pochettino, he turned us down and now we're scrambling around for managers like Wolves.
We were also probably happy to wait until world cup break but when you see Forest beating Liverpool today we really need 5 points on the board in next 4 games otherwise we could easily be bottom in a months time. With way we're playing that's a big ask.
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We were also probably happy to wait until world cup break but when you see Forest beating Liverpool today we really need 5 points on the board in next 4 games otherwise we could easily be bottom in a months time. With way we're playing that's a big ask.
The World Cup will be like a 6-week mini pre-season to work with the players. Bit like in Lockdown 1, which was probably the difference between staying up or going down.
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Brendan Rodgers is a manager in decline, the opposite of what we need. It would be such a poor, unimagainative choice.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
With Purslow here? More chance of me getting the job than the Spanish waiter rocking up in B6
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Rodgers would be like us appointing DOL after Taylor left.
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55 of us think Dyche?
SG I understood as a gamble at this level but Dyche, you think the sum total of our ambition is Dyche in our development? Is their thinking “We’ll give SG a go, if it doesn’t work out we’ve always got Sean Dyche to fall back on?”
Us Mods can see exactly how people voted, it’s a perk of the job.
Who’d like to know who voted Want Steve Bruce?
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Want Bielsa
Think Hassenhuttl
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55 of us think Dyche?
SG I understood as a gamble at this level but Dyche, you think the sum total of our ambition is Dyche in our development? Is their thinking “We’ll give SG a go, if it doesn’t work out we’ve always got Sean Dyche to fall back on?”
Us Mods can see exactly how people voted, it’s a perk of the job.
Who’d like to know who voted Want Steve Bruce?
Alex Bruce?
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There's no chance it will be Dyche & I've not seen anyone with any credibility saying it will be.
Rodgers or Emery are more likely.
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Amorim would be too risky. He’s very similar to Gerrard. Done well in an inferior league but untested in the PL.
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Yeah we should get someone who is tested in the Premier League like Guardiola and Klopp were.
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Yeah we should get someone who is tested in the Premier League like Guardiola and Klopp were.
I remember someone (during one of our regular manager searches. Can't remember which one) on here suggesting that, having previously employed an overseas manager, 'we've tried foreign. It doesn't work'. Like 'foreign' is a type of football.
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I don't like 343, but we have the players to make it work
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Rodgers is a blast from the past. I wanted us to appoint him as manager when we then appointed Lambert.
Exactly. No to him and Dyche.
Emery or Ruben please.
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Brendan Rodgers is a manager in decline, the opposite of what we need. It would be such a poor, unimagainative choice.
100%
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Amorim would be too risky. He’s very similar to Gerrard. Done well in an inferior league but untested in the PL.
Gerrard was a risk because he was shit.
We have seen some great Portuguese managers and he is very highly regarded there.
There in no real comparison.
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I don't like 343, but we have the players to make it work
Three at the back is absolutely fine if it is your system and philosophy. The issue last year when smith was trying it was the desperation of changing our system to it.
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In decline? He’s 49 years old. He is having his first really bad year in a long time. He won the FA cup recently. How’s that decline?
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In decline? He’s 49 years old. He is having his first really bad year in a long time. He won the FA cup recently. How’s that decline?
To me at any rate he just has the air of yesterday's man about him, stale, past his best. He's not old but I don't think he'll get another crack at a Liverpool level job so he'll potter around mid- to lower table. I think we can and should be looking elsewhere.
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In decline? He’s 49 years old. He is having his first really bad year in a long time. He won the FA cup recently. How’s that decline?
It isn't.
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Purslow hasn’t worked with Rodgers.
So what do i know. Dont actually mind Rodgers too much but like something a bit different
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In decline? He’s 49 years old. He is having his first really bad year in a long time. He won the FA cup recently. How’s that decline?
Agreed. Pushing for the top four for a couple of years and a cup win. I'd love a bit of that decline.
However, you kind of have to accept that his methods only seem to work for a couple of years. I've no real problem with that as managers are rarely long term these days anyway.
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Wouldn't mind Amorim either but not if we have to pay £30m. I'm sure that couold be negotiated down though.
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In decline? He’s 49 years old. He is having his first really bad year in a long time. He won the FA cup recently. How’s that decline?
To me at any rate he just has the air of yesterday's man about him, stale, past his best. He's not old but I don't think he'll get another crack at a Liverpool level job so he'll potter around mid- to lower table. I think we can and should be looking elsewhere.
We are Aston Villa in 2022. Not the version we all have wonderful memories of. We are a team struggling to figure out what we are having fucked around the lower part of the PL and been in the second division for the past decade. Turning our nose up at a manager who hasn’t had anything but success compared to that is a little nuts. I used the David Moyes example earlier as someone who is not only much older, but learned a lot along the way and now manages a West Ham side operating consistently where we want to be. Rodgers is much younger and has loads left in the tank.
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How expensive is it to keep changing managers, moving on players they don't like and bringing in players the next manager might not like.
If he's the right candidate, negotiate and settle on a fee. They paid 10m to bring him in so you would expect there to be some profit on that.
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I wouldn't rule out Rodgers getting back towards the top, but he strikes me as a man in need of a break.
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I'd never heard of Amorim the day before yesterday. I have no idea at all about how good or risky him being appointed would be. But paying £30m to find out seems steep. That said, it'd be worth every single penny if he was the real deal. How many of the 39 posters who want hi above anybody else on the list are familiar with him? How much of a risk (say in comparison with Gerrard) would it be?
Rogers has been / is a good coach. I've thought it will be him for weeks. He wouldn't be a disaster and would be an improvement on Gerrard, but it would lead me to think we are still in the 'transition' phase of our 'project' rather than a full blown push, and I would also seriously question whether this is a project that is seriously about CL qualification and wining things again. I'm struggling not to be a bit pissed off with that thought.
Whoever it is I'll get behind. Execpt maybe Sean Dyche.
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I also don’t get the ‘he hasn’t managed in England before’ stuff, neither had some of the best managers ever. Until they did.
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We are Aston Villa in 2022. Not the version we all have wonderful memories of. We are a team struggling to figure out what we are having fucked around the lower part of the PL and been in the second division for the past decade. Turning our nose up at a manager who hasn’t had anything but success compared to that is a little nuts. I used the David Moyes example earlier as someone who is not only much older, but learned a lot along the way and now manages a West Ham side operating consistently where we want to be. Rodgers is much younger and has loads left in the tank.
I think there are better options available. I'd be disappointed if we ended up with Rodgers.
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And, I’m pretty sure I read that to get your license to manage in Germany you have to have done 4x as many hours as you do over here, Italy also has a much higher threshold for qualification to manage at the top level. Sounds like Portugal may be similar.
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My concern with Amorin, and I fully concede I could be wrong like on many things, is we are asking this up and coming coach/manager to rescue us mid season. In a league he’s never operated in with a schedule that’s not easy. It would be better to get in someone like him in the summer but I realize things don’t work that way. I know it’s not the same, and things are not remotely as bad, but many thought Remi Garde could replicate what he did at OL with us. But it was nothing but a disaster. I want to feel a little safer this season with a manager who has the credentials and is still at an age with a lot of years in front of him.
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Can we poach Brighton’s manager?
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I think Rodgers is a perfect fit.
We are currently a bottom half premier side, hed get us top half pushing for top 6 in 2 of 3 years then wed be in far better postion to go for the like of Potch.
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People keep using Garde as a warning for a risky type foreign manager given the biggest poison chalice of all times and wasn’t up to it
Rodger’s would be yet another British manager so i give you Mcliesh Lambert Black Sherwood Bruce Gerrard
If we want to go round in circles appoint another British manager now that Potters gone the rest are all shite
and on we go round and round
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I think Rodgers is a perfect fit.
We are currently a bottom half premier side, hed get us top half pushing for top 6 in 2 of 3 years then wed be in far better postion to go for the like of Potch.
Yes I think that’s true.
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My concern with Amorin, and I fully concede I could be wrong like on many things, is we are asking this up and coming coach/manager to rescue us mid season. In a league he’s never operated in with a schedule that’s not easy.
Rescuing? We’re hardly marooned at the bottom of the league.
Whether or not people think the players are a rag tag bunch who have no right to be stepping out on a premiership pitch they’re a whole lot better than what they’ve showed this season. I’m sure most managers worth their salt could get better performance out of most of them, playing with some coherent tactics would be a start.
Any manager wouldn’t be dropped in it they’d have a mini pre season to assess and work things out, then a transfer window after it. If there was any year to change mid season and feel pretty confident about it this is the season imo.
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Yes indeed this squad, even with injuries, should be mid table at worst.
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Disappointed were potentially thinking of hiring someone with no premier league knowledge . We’ve done it many times before without great success.
We are Aston Villa, my Aston Villa, our Aston Villa, where is our ambition in sorting this out ?
I want to be smiling about this appointment, not feeling hopeful
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I'm 12 years older than this Ruben chap. I have nothing else to add.
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My concern with Amorin, and I fully concede I could be wrong like on many things, is we are asking this up and coming coach/manager to rescue us mid season. In a league he’s never operated in with a schedule that’s not easy.
Rescuing? We’re hardly marooned at the bottom of the league.
Whether or not people think the players are a rag tag bunch who have no right to be stepping out on a premiership pitch they’re a whole lot better than what they’ve showed this season. I’m sure most managers worth their salt could get better performance out of most of them, playing with some coherent tactics would be a start.
Any manager wouldn’t be dropped in it they’d have a mini pre season to assess and work things out, then a transfer window after it. If there was any year to change mid season and feel pretty confident about it this is the season imo.
This is a really good point, the world cup is another pre season, especially for clubs with very few players playing in the WC. I knew nothing about this Amorin chap before yesterday, and there is a bit of the shiny new thing element with me, but after the dourness of the last year, i just want something a bit shiny and new to be honest.
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I think they will go for a wow - as I think CP know's well be calling for him soon.
I think Rogers would do a good job - I wish we had thrown money at them last year and got him then. As I think now it would feel much less ambitious then it did then.
Broadly I think:
over-whelmed - Poch, Tuchel, any of the managers were clearly not going to get
whelmed - Rogers, this Amorim guy (i think most of the world would say hes amazing - but I guess worry its another Gerrard, Garde thing and I know nothing about it)
under-whelmed - Frank, Beale
Convinced we have given up - Dyche
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I’ve thought for ages that Rodgers would be our manager before Christmas.
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Portuguese press saying no contact with Rubes and he's not interested. Beale has ruled himself out.
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Piss off Portuguese press.
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Does seem like it was an unlikely option with him being in the Chumps League and everything, but how can he have said no if there's been no offer?
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If we know anything about Villa we rarely do our business very publicly. So almost everything is pure speculation.
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Does seem like it was an unlikely option with him being in the Chumps League and everything, but how can he have said no if there's been no offer?
I’m sure they’ll be a few more villa fans watching Spurs v Sporting in mid week, If they lose are they out?
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
You could have posted this five minutes ago, before I wasted a tenner backing you on Skybet.
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I'm 12 years older than this Ruben chap. I have nothing else to add.
Give him 12 months in the Villa job and he'll probably look 12 years older than you.
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
You could have posted this five minutes ago, before I wasted a tenner backing you on Skybet.
Fuck sake. Billy Walker ruling himself out really does signify the end of days.
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
You could have posted this five minutes ago, before I wasted a tenner backing you on Skybet.
Fuck sake. Billy Walker ruling himself out really does signify the end of days.
TBF he was never going to come this close to the world cup
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Think I'd prefer Honest Arry Redknapp over Dyche.
Make his dog Rosie CEO. She seems to be the brains of the operation.
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Portuguese press saying no contact with Rubes and he's not interested.
That's bullshit. Well at least the part of him not being not interested. He was asked yesterday and deflected the question, what with an important game tonight and Spurs away on Wednesday in the CL. He may not be interested but hasn't said anything positive or negative about the interest other than saying "I don't talk about other clubs".
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Thanks RCF.
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Does seem like it was an unlikely option with him being in the Chumps League and everything, but how can he have said no if there's been no offer?
I’m sure they’ll be a few more villa fans watching Spurs v Sporting in mid week, If they lose are they out?
No but it would probably go down to goal difference assuming Spurs went on to beat Marseille and Sporting beat Eintracht at home.
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When you think how important a manager can be to a football club
-including increasing value of players through development, obtaining greater prize money, etc- is £30m excessive to secure the right one? I’m not saying Amorim is, (although he would be my number one choice) but I wouldn’t see it as prohibitive.
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
You could have posted this five minutes ago, before I wasted a tenner backing you on Skybet.
Fuck sake. Billy Walker ruling himself out really does signify the end of days.
Sorry guys!
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I hate to say it, but it appears that the new manager circle is nearly complete.
I have been out all day today with the family and get back to see that there’s a growing acceptance on social media that Dyche would actually be ok.
We started off with Poch and optimism 48 hours ago. Numerous rejections later and it seems a good proportion of fans end up thinking that Dyche wouldn’t be too bad 48 hours later.
I love being a Villa fan, but for gods sake. Please not Dyche.
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Dyche is giving me the shits
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Beale has ruled himself out in the Evening Mail.
Cites issues with structure (vague but seems to be alluding to Lange), and the fact that his friends have lost their jobs.
Not that I think he either should or would be anywhere near the short list anyway.
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I'm assuming Villa would have drawn up a short list of managers weeks ago and like signing a player sounded out potential interest. They wouldn't have waited until Gerrard was sacked to start the process.
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I'm assuming Villa would have drawn up a short list of managers weeks ago and like signing a player sounded out potential interest. They wouldn't have waited until Gerrard was sacked to start the process.
I don’t think they had planned for this at all.
It was only when Swaris went ape that the new manager search was put in process.
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I'm assuming Villa would have drawn up a short list of managers weeks ago and like signing a player sounded out potential interest. They wouldn't have waited until Gerrard was sacked to start the process.
I don’t think they had planned for this at all.
It was only when Swaris went ape that the new manager search was put in process.
You don't know that, you're just assuming.
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Given the results so far this weekend, if we lose to Brentford, I suggest there being a sharp focus on who best to keep us up.
Give that guy a 2/3 year contract.
Get us to be a solid and respectable mid table team.
Then go after the type of elite managers who seem to be turning us down now.
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We have to accept that the only people who love the club as much as us, is, er, us. Therefore, the likes of Poch and Tuchel, from the outside looking in, see a very ordinary club who they wouldn't be interested in managing. Amorim, let's be honest, most on here, including me, hadn't heard of until yesterday. We have to accept that we are where we are and have to select someone who will help take us to the levels where Tuchel et al might be interested in the future. Dyche is solid but completely uninspiring. Rodgers seems broken at the moment but might be ok. I have no faith in Purslow to bring in the type of Manager we can be really proud of. That would be my first ask, may us a club to be proud of again because your last choice lost us some of that.
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Given the results so far this weekend, if we lose to Brentford, I suggest there being a sharp focus on who best to keep us up.
Give that guy a 2/3 year contract.
Get us to be a solid and respectable mid table team.
Then go after the type of elite managers who seem to be turning us down now.
I wouldn’t panic, there’s 26/27 games left plus a mid-season break. We’ve got a decent squad and it shouldn’t be particularly difficult to turn it round.
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I'm assuming Villa would have drawn up a short list of managers weeks ago and like signing a player sounded out potential interest. They wouldn't have waited until Gerrard was sacked to start the process.
I don’t think they had planned for this at all.
It was only when Swaris went ape that the new manager search was put in process.
You don't know that, you're just assuming.
it’s called conjecture
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Given the results so far this weekend, if we lose to Brentford, I suggest there being a sharp focus on who best to keep us up.
Give that guy a 2/3 year contract.
Get us to be a solid and respectable mid table team.
Then go after the type of elite managers who seem to be turning us down now.
Hello, Nas here, is that Seán?
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Christ, 30m euros release for Amorim.
Football is f**king bonkers.
Personally, I think it’s more bonkers that top managers come way cheaper than top players.
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I’ve seen quite a few Villa Managers come and goand I learnt early on beware of exciting appointments. In my case the best example was Tommy Doherty ,boy did we all rejoice when he arrived. No need to discribe what followed, many have come and gone since, and it is usually the uninspiring that have succeeded. So I’ll nail my mast to the sail and go with the unpopular choice of Sean Dyche.
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I’ve seen quite a few Villa Managers come and goand I learnt early on beware of exciting appointments. In my case the best example was Tommy Doherty ,boy did we all rejoice when he arrived. No need to discribe what followed, many have come and gone since, and it is usually the uninspiring that have succeeded. So I’ll nail my mast to the sail and go with the unpopular choice of Sean Dyche.
Docherty was an overwhelming disappointment which has been repeated time and time again for me . Trying to judge new appointments is a real guessing game. I suspected the latest, Gerrard, would soon end in tears but then again I was underwhelmed by the appointment of Ron Saunders. Not many get it right at Villa do they?
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
Micah Richards has analysis?
Anal cysts, he has Anal cysts.
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Dion Dublin on Football Focus has just suggested Rafa Benitez.
Dion doesn't half-talk shite and his jolliness grates at times. Sacrilege to say but I prefer Micah Richards' laughter and analysis.
Micah Richards has analysis?
Anal cysts, he has Anal cysts.
From talking through his arse too much
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I always thought it was a missed opportunity not getting Tommy Hitzlsperger hosting Homes under Der Hammer
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I love the way all these people who haven't been offered the job are ruling themselves out. I may as well officially rule myself out, while I'm here.
You could have posted this five minutes ago, before I wasted a tenner backing you on Skybet.
Fuck sake. Billy Walker ruling himself out really does signify the end of days.
Villa legend and dead, and he STILL doesn’t want the job.
Spoke so highly of us in his autobiography too.
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I’ve seen quite a few Villa Managers come and goand I learnt early on beware of exciting appointments. In my case the best example was Tommy Doherty ,boy did we all rejoice when he arrived. No need to discribe what followed, many have come and gone since, and it is usually the uninspiring that have succeeded. So I’ll nail my mast to the sail and go with the unpopular choice of Sean Dyche.
My time is from the early 80s, so Saunders already in place. I remember being excited by the appointments of SGT, BFR and O’Neil, all of those to greater or lesser extents were a success. Was more gutted about BFR when Little got the job but he was great for a couple of years snd then i had a lot of time for Deano.
Other than that i have at best underwhelmed and at worst utterly pissed off by most other appointments.
The point being, the exciting appointments l, usually do something exciting, even if short lived.
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Sporting have just finished. Hopefully RCF will be able to keep us up to date with if Amorim says anything telling in his post-match interview.
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Sporting have just finished. Hopefully RCF will be able to keep us up to date with if Amorim says anything telling in his post-match interview.
3-1 home win. I'll let you know but I don't think his focus will be on a new job. Hopefully his agent will be working behind the scenes. One thing that did come up yesterday was he won't (read can't) use the transfer window which is why he's bringing through the kids.
EDIT: It kicked of in the stands tonight in protest at the leadership and lack of funds. Riot police brought in. The only person uniting the fans is Amorim. Catch 22 - they'd love the £30m compensation but they can't afford to let him go.
He's talking now..
EDIT II: Only spoke about the game and then left swiftly. He's fully aware and highlighted having to play the "kids", it's a tough one to call, despite the financial situation he finds himself, he's dedicated to his players. When Sporting win, he always gives credit to the players; when they lose he takes the blame. Let's see what happens on Wednesday night. One thing I can confirm is I'm so happy he's the Sporting Coach but my god, I'd love him to be at Villa Park.
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Christ, 30m euros release for Amorim.
Football is f**king bonkers.
Personally, I think it’s more bonkers that top managers come way cheaper than top players.
Agreed, Percy. I've said numerous times over the years for me, the manager is the most important person at the club and we should do whatever it takes to bring in the best.
Emery looks to have the profile we're looking for, my only doubt is his English. Spanish generally have a big problem speaking other languages. I've looked around trying to find a recent interview with him in English and this was the latest I could find..
and this..
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I guess it comes down to one question now. Does Sawari, 3rd or 4th richest owner in the league, want to have a really good crack at it, or bob about staying up and hoping for the best. We'll find out next week I'm sure.
I do find there to be a romantic element in me that would love a bloke called Villas Boas to be the one that won us a cup for the first time in 30 years.
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What’s brought about their financial situation then, just general mismanagement over the years as I thought given champions league football and player sales over the summer they’d have a few quid?
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I do find there to be a romantic element in me that would love a bloke called Villas Boas to be the one that won us a cup for the first time in 30 years.
Have you seen the ears on Amorim, if that's not a sign he'll win us the FA Cup I don't know what is! ;)
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If we can't get a top manager I have a back-up plan...we hire a manager and give him a 2 month contract, then when it expires we hire a new manager on another two month contract. We rinse and repeat. We'd then have a new manager bounce every two months and would have the league won by Christmas. You're welcome.
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I guess it comes down to one question now. Does Sawari, 3rd or 4th richest owner in the league, want to have a really good crack at it, or bob about staying up and hoping for the best. We'll find out next week I'm sure.
I do find there to be a romantic element in me that would love a bloke called Villas Boas to be the one that won us a cup for the first time in 30 years.
We’d expect a bloke with AV in his initials and Villa in his name to do what Arsene did for Arsenal. Of course this is Villa so he’ll be shit and fired in 12 months.
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Sporting have just finished. Hopefully RCF will be able to keep us up to date with if Amorim says anything telling in his post-match interview.
3-1 home win. I'll let you know but I don't think his focus will be on a new job. Hopefully his agent will be working behind the scenes. One thing that did come up yesterday was he won't (read can't) use the transfer window which is why he's bringing through the kids.
EDIT: It kicked of in the stands tonight in protest at the leadership and lack of funds. Riot police brought in. The only person uniting the fans is Amorim. Catch 22 - they'd love the £30m compensation but they can't afford to let him go.
He's talking now..
EDIT II: Only spoke about the game and then left swiftly. He's fully aware and highlighted having to play the "kids", it's a tough one to call, despite the financial situation he finds himself, he's dedicated to his players. When Sporting win, he always gives credit to the players; when they lose he takes the blame. Let's see what happens on Wednesday night. One thing I can confirm is I'm so happy he's the Sporting Coach but my god, I'd love him to be at Villa Park.
You are our best eyes on this.
Do you think he will join us if we put the right money on the table?
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Sporting have just finished. Hopefully RCF will be able to keep us up to date with if Amorim says anything telling in his post-match interview.
3-1 home win. I'll let you know but I don't think his focus will be on a new job. Hopefully his agent will be working behind the scenes. One thing that did come up yesterday was he won't (read can't) use the transfer window which is why he's bringing through the kids.
EDIT: It kicked of in the stands tonight in protest at the leadership and lack of funds. Riot police brought in. The only person uniting the fans is Amorim. Catch 22 - they'd love the £30m compensation but they can't afford to let him go.
He's talking now..
EDIT II: Only spoke about the game and then left swiftly. He's fully aware and highlighted having to play the "kids", it's a tough one to call, despite the financial situation he finds himself, he's dedicated to his players. When Sporting win, he always gives credit to the players; when they lose he takes the blame. Let's see what happens on Wednesday night. One thing I can confirm is I'm so happy he's the Sporting Coach but my god, I'd love him to be at Villa Park.
Thanks again. This sounds promising, from a Villa perspective, to me. Certainly not an outright denial though, I suppose, he could be well aware of our interest and thinking it could be leverage to get a few quid out of the Sporting board for transfers.
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Woke up to this message from a mate.
Sigh...
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I guess it comes down to one question now. Does Sawari, 3rd or 4th richest owner in the league, want to have a really good crack at it, or bob about staying up and hoping for the best. We'll find out next week I'm sure.
I do find there to be a romantic element in me that would love a bloke called Villas Boas to be the one that won us a cup for the first time in 30 years.
I don't think it's quite as straightforward as that now given the situation we are currently in. We're not in a position where we can afford to take too much of a risk with the next appointment as we are in a fairly precarious position at the moment. I don't think it would take too much to turn things around and get us a top half finish this season, but the squad is horribly imbalanced at the moment and low on confidence. If there is unrest behind the scenes then it might not be straightforward to get back on track.
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Woke up to this message from a mate.
Sigh...
(https://i.ibb.co/X83C2rD/Screenshot-20221023-084018.png) (https://ibb.co/X83C2rD)
(https://imgbb.com/)
McLeish got SHA into europe.
Case bleeding closed. (clears throat).
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Portuguese press saying no contact with Rubes and he's not interested. Beale has ruled himself out.
Joe Kinnear waiting in the wings
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Isn’t it time we appointed Dwight Yorke. The man has been waiting for yeeeeears
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I guess it comes down to one question now. Does Sawari, 3rd or 4th richest owner in the league, want to have a really good crack at it, or bob about staying up and hoping for the best. We'll find out next week I'm sure.
I do find there to be a romantic element in me that would love a bloke called Villas Boas to be the one that won us a cup for the first time in 30 years.
I don't think it's quite as straightforward as that now given the situation we are currently in. We're not in a position where we can afford to take too much of a risk with the next appointment as we are in a fairly precarious position at the moment. I don't think it would take too much to turn things around and get us a top half finish this season, but the squad is horribly imbalanced at the moment and low on confidence. If there is unrest behind the scenes then it might not be straightforward to get back on track.
I agree, even with rich owners we are not quite the catch many think we are.
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Silly Villa fans with ‘unreasonable expectations’.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/oct/21/steven-gerrard-aston-villa-sacking-leaves-him-further-from-liverpool-destiny-than-ever
He’s right about it being a managerial graveyard though. But I’d say part of that is because we seem to take punts on managers more than appointing genuinely great ones.
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We're a Top 10 Premier League team in wealth, attendances and potential only. The problem is we haven't won anything for over 25 years nor finished in the top half for over 10 years. I don't think any of the really big names would even consider us, so thats why we will end up with a Rodgers or a Dyche.
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Do you think he will join us if we put the right money on the table?
I've said before, I don't believe money is a real motivator for Amorim. The fella is so passionate about football, getting his tactics right, taking pride in his players, engaging with the fans, he has so much energy, the project is what drives him.
Sadly I think timing is not on our side. End of season is the time you stick or twist with your manager, not a few months into the season. You'd have thought we'd have learnt our lesson by now.
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Silly Villa fans with ‘unreasonable expectations’.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/oct/21/steven-gerrard-aston-villa-sacking-leaves-him-further-from-liverpool-destiny-than-ever
He’s right about it being a managerial graveyard though. But I’d say part of that is because we seem to take punts on managers more than appointing genuinely great ones.
"The expecttations of villa supporters are too high" - Oh okay so because we are Villa fans we shouldn't expect decent football and improving results - what an elitist load of cack...
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If we do get Dyche in, please do it on a season long contract. So we can see how he goes and avoid an expensive sacking.
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If we do get Dyche in, please do it on a season long contract. So we can see how he goes and avoid an expensive sacking.
Seven days would be too long, Frank. I honestly don't understand how his name is even being mentioned for the job other than by Gerrard's mates in the media wanting to spank us into our rightful place for sacking him.
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Hopefully it’s all as RCF says and not true. He seems so far off the original project it has to be false. Although Gerrard also was miles off the plan, but a project that Purslow must have pushed and convinced the owners to go for.
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I can understand why Dyche might be an option in fact there are about 300 million reasons why they might put PL survival above all other considerations.
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Please..can we stop talking about, considering or trying to justify bringing in Sean Dyche, even under the most tenuous of reasons.
I can tolerate talk of the other ‘established’ names…..like Rogers, Moyes or even Benitez.
But the thought of Dyche being manager of Aston Villa makes we want to be sick and then cry a little!
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If we do get Dyche in, please do it on a season long contract. So we can see how he goes and avoid an expensive sacking.
Seven days would be too long, Frank. I honestly don't understand how his name is even being mentioned for the job other than by Gerrard's mates in the media wanting to spank us into our rightful place for sacking him.
I agree.
Granted i wasn’t it paying too much attention but i don’t remember Dyche being linked with the Brighton job. They seen to know what they want in terms of a football style and go out and get it done, obviously don’t know if the current bloke will be a success or not, but point stands, they wouldn’t
of considered Dyche seemingly.
Ive got nothing against Dyche personally, quite like his no nonsense interviews and the fact he often got results against the sky super six, but we simply have to be more ambitious.
I understand we’re not a draw for the big superstar names like Poch or Tuchel, but theres different kinds of ambition, a distinct playing style that has had success would be a start.
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Put it another way, if Dyche was named the new manager of Wolves we'd all be pissing ourselves laughing.
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Hopefully it’s all as RCF says and not true. He seems so far off the original project it has to be false. Although Gerrard also was miles off the plan, but a project that Purslow must have pushed and convinced the owners to go for.
The project fucked off up the M6 mate and hasn’t been seen since.
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Put it another way, if Dyche was named the new manager of Wolves we'd all be pissing ourselves laughing.
Precisely
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Moyes has barely had a mention in the media or amongst Villa fans, I wonder if we could prise him away from West Ham
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If Dyche was appointed - it would be the end of CP
As soon as a bad run of results happened it would turn on him
The more I think about it the more I think the issue is CP and CL.
The mess of a squad is as much there fault as SG
Also - if we’re going for proven - then rogers is just as proven but a lot more palatable
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I was really hoping we had a replacement already signed and sealed after the quick dismissal after the Fulham game.
I had hoped it would be Poch, but can’t see that now.
I hope we don’t go for say a Benitez or Dyche, but someone who is still current and also coming with some experience thrown in.
So the same as we had when MON was appointed, Rodgers perhaps or Emery.
Perhaps Danks gets us the win today and he stays…. Or we could go left field and get Mellberg in for the rest of the season.
Looking at the bookies though Amorim seems odds on at the moment.
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As of now, assuming no chance for a Poch or Tuchel, my top three pics would be: Emery, Amorin (more out of hope that they have their homework done so he must be good) and Rodgers (as the fairly safe bet experience wise etc).
One of the villa podcasts was bigging up Peter Bosz but I don't know enough about him.
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As of now, assuming no chance for a Poch or Tuchel, my top three pics would be: Emery, Amorin (more out of hope that they have their homework done so he must be good) and Rodgers (as the fairly safe bet experience wise etc).
One of the villa podcasts was bigging up Peter Bosz but I don't know enough about him.
Yeah think that is a sensible list and reasoning
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Bosz doesn't seem to last very long anywhere.
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One major potential downside of Brendan Rodgers getting the job would be 2-3 years of people calling him ‘Rogers.’
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Hopefully it’s all as RCF says and not true. He seems so far off the original project it has to be false. Although Gerrard also was miles off the plan, but a project that Purslow must have pushed and convinced the owners to go for.
The project fucked off up the M6 mate and hasn’t been seen since.
I agree it did with the appointment of Gerrard, but I believe a series of things happened with that appointment. I’m sure that was down to the owners trusting and being convinced by Purslow who obviously had massive belief and faith in Gerrard. He got it wrong but I do believe he was fully convinced himself that Gerrard was the real deal and that he was a huge appointment for us and not just his mate from his Liverpool days.
I hope we’re back on track and they will show their ambition and get the show back on the road. I’m not believing that they have given up.
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Mellberg would be the worst idea ever. Only managed small Scandinavian teams, and hasn't been in work for two years.
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Would love Pochettino and think Villa should be trying to move heaven and earth to get him. Failing that Roberto Mancini might be available and would be a fantastic appointment imo. Biesla would be entertaining. Definitely don't want any more managers from Scotland or the EFL.
This next appointment is crucial, but knowing Villa it will probably be John Terry or Wayne Rooney.
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Moyes has barely had a mention in the media or amongst Villa fans, I wonder if we could prise him away from West Ham
Hasn’t he turned us down twice already?
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Christ, 30m euros release for Amorim.
Football is f**king bonkers.
Personally, I think it’s more bonkers that top managers come way cheaper than top players.
More chance of you selling on a decent player than selling on a decent manager!
Good point though, teams spend 30m on a striker without blinking but hesitate to spend that money on arguably the most important employee at a football club.
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Rod Liddle in The Times today. Sobering
“Forty years ago Aston Villa won the European Cup - Tony Morley scampering through bemused Germans, cutting inside to Peter Withe, bingo! - beating Bayern Munich 1-0. Five years later they were back in the old Second Division, having finished rock bottom of the top flight. They had won the league championship in 1981, their first title since Edwardian times. It was only their second meaningful trophy since the 1920s too a solitary FA Cup final victory in 1957 illuminating a general postwar gloom at Villa Park.
The records show that Villa are one of Britain's truly big clubs, seven-times winners of the league, seven-times winners of the FA Cup. But context suggests that they were a really a big club only until about the conclusion of the Russo-Japanese War.
There have been plenty of spells in the second tier and one forlorn sojourn down in the third, in 1970-71 and 1971-72, since then.
I am not attempting to belittle Villa - and I have a soft spot for the side that won the European Cup under the enigmatic Tony Barton - they were packed with quality and verve, from Gordon Cowans all the way through to Gary Shaw. Nor am I suggesting that they are on a par with their various yo-yoing Midlands rivals: Villa are basically a steady top-tier team and spent 24 seasons in the Premier League from its inception until 2016, but they have won nothing of note since 1982 and the pinnacle of their achievements more recently have been top-six finishes under Martin O'Neill.
I mention this to provide a little context regarding the sacking of Steven Gerrard, who was booted out of Villa Park last week apparently with the blessing of the Holte End. His departure followed a 3-0 capitulation to Fulham that left Villa fourth from bottom, separated from Wolverhampton Wanderers in 18th only
by goal difference.
Their progress down the table has been gentle, but hastened by draws in games that they might have been expected to win, against Leeds United and Nottingham Forest, for example. Adjusting to the top flight is a difficult business and takes time: you can expect the trapdoor to beckon for the first three, four or five seasons. It is an economic adjustment as well as a footballing adjustment. During the close season Villa spent in the manner of a mid-table side, bringing in the Brazilian defender Diego Carlos from Sevilla for about £26 million, a slightly fading Philippe Coutinho from Barcelona for £17 million (who had been on loan at Villa Park since January) and the Belgium international Leander
Dendoncker. Carlos has done his achilles tendon and has played only two games for his new side, so Gerard might have claimed to have been a little unlucky. Dendoncker, meanwhile - Gerrard's third biggest signing - has been used latterly as a substitute. Villa's
problems are at both ends, but particularly in attack - only Wolves have scored fewer goals.
The forward line has been constantly chopped and changed leading some to suspect that Stevie G didn't know what his best side was. This is quite possibly true - but then I am not sure anyone knows what Villa's best side is. There are too many also- rans and never-rans in the squad - Calum Chambers, for example, who is at best a half-decent Championship-level defender.
Villa were supposed to be a brief and glorious staging post for Gerrard on his way to managing Liverpool. Is he any good as a head coach? He gained one title with Rangers during his three years there, so I would suggest that this was a promising start but that the jury is still out.
There is no great reason why a top player should become a top manager and indeed it is unusual when this happens. But I still Premier League than we have seen of late and there will be a good eight or nine clubs fighting to avoid the trapdoor and frankly - Aston Villa were always going to be among them, regardless of who was in charge. To break into the top six requires enormous amounts of money, spent wisely over several years. Villa lack the capacity for that sort of expenditure and the truth is that if you are not battling to be in the top six then you are more often as not likely to be fighting against relegation. My guess is that Gerrard's departure will leave Villa slightly less well equipped for that scrap”
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At least we seem to have tried for Poch with a big offer, rather than a half hearted low ball one. Helps reassure me that the owners still give a shit. If Tuchel, Emery etc are not interested either, then there's not a lot we can do about that.
If this dude from Lisbon isn't interested then we've reportedly worked our way through pretty much all of our top choices/suggestions on here, so it would be pretty difficult to criticise.
I'd be content with Rodgers if that's the bracket we're down to.
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That’s a pretty poorly thought out and researched article.
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It is amazing that the press appear determined to overlook the wages, spend etc and just want to paint us as should have been grateful to even have Steven sprinkle his stardust. They can all fuck off. Yeah, we are not a top 6 club, but we are Aston Villa you belittling arseholes, stop trying to make out that we are fucking Wigan.
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So many inaccuracies so difficult to take it seriously.
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Silly Villa fans with ‘unreasonable expectations’.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/oct/21/steven-gerrard-aston-villa-sacking-leaves-him-further-from-liverpool-destiny-than-ever
He’s right about it being a managerial graveyard though. But I’d say part of that is because we seem to take punts on managers more than appointing genuinely great ones.
"The expecttations of villa supporters are too high" - Oh okay so because we are Villa fans we shouldn't expect decent football and improving results - what an elitist load of cack...
Aye, keep buying your expensive season tickets, keep buying your Sky Subscriptions, keep paying for the gravy train but don’t get you fucking dare expect anything back proles.
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No mention of the piss poor midfield. Which has been mostly a problem for 3 years
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Moyes has barely had a mention in the media or amongst Villa fans, I wonder if we could prise him away from West Ham
Hasn’t he turned us down twice already?
Not sure if that was ever confirmed but you might be right, just think in our current very worrying situation it’s worth another go, after his stock falling a long way he’s come back strongly and has proved a lot of people wrong, he might relish the challenge that is Aston Villa
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Rod Liddle in The Times today. Sobering
“Forty years ago Aston Villa won the European Cup - Tony Morley scampering through bemused Germans, cutting inside to Peter Withe, bingo! - beating Bayern Munich 1-0. Five years later they were back in the old Second Division, having finished rock bottom of the top flight. They had won the league championship in 1981, their first title since Edwardian times. It was only their second meaningful trophy since the 1920s too a solitary FA Cup final victory in 1957 illuminating a general postwar gloom at Villa Park.
The records show that Villa are one of Britain's truly big clubs, seven-times winners of the league, seven-times winners of the FA Cup. But context suggests that they were a really a big club only until about the conclusion of the Russo-Japanese War.
There have been plenty of spells in the second tier and one forlorn sojourn down in the third, in 1970-71 and 1971-72, since then.
I am not attempting to belittle Villa - and I have a soft spot for the side that won the European Cup under the enigmatic Tony Barton - they were packed with quality and verve, from Gordon Cowans all the way through to Gary Shaw. Nor am I suggesting that they are on a par with their various yo-yoing Midlands rivals: Villa are basically a steady top-tier team and spent 24 seasons in the Premier League from its inception until 2016, but they have won nothing of note since 1982 and the pinnacle of their achievements more recently have been top-six finishes under Martin O'Neill.
I mention this to provide a little context regarding the sacking of Steven Gerrard, who was booted out of Villa Park last week apparently with the blessing of the Holte End. His departure followed a 3-0 capitulation to Fulham that left Villa fourth from bottom, separated from Wolverhampton Wanderers in 18th only
by goal difference.
Their progress down the table has been gentle, but hastened by draws in games that they might have been expected to win, against Leeds United and Nottingham Forest, for example. Adjusting to the top flight is a difficult business and takes time: you can expect the trapdoor to beckon for the first three, four or five seasons. It is an economic adjustment as well as a footballing adjustment. During the close season Villa spent in the manner of a mid-table side, bringing in the Brazilian defender Diego Carlos from Sevilla for about £26 million, a slightly fading Philippe Coutinho from Barcelona for £17 million (who had been on loan at Villa Park since January) and the Belgium international Leander
Dendoncker. Carlos has done his achilles tendon and has played only two games for his new side, so Gerard might have claimed to have been a little unlucky. Dendoncker, meanwhile - Gerrard's third biggest signing - has been used latterly as a substitute. Villa's
problems are at both ends, but particularly in attack - only Wolves have scored fewer goals.
The forward line has been constantly chopped and changed leading some to suspect that Steven G didn't know what his best side was. This is quite possibly true - but then I am not sure anyone knows what Villa's best side is. There are too many also- rans and never-rans in the squad - Calum Chambers, for example, who is at best a half-decent Championship-level defender.
Villa were supposed to be a brief and glorious staging post for Gerrard on his way to managing Liverpool. Is he any good as a head coach? He gained one title with Rangers during his three years there, so I would suggest that this was a promising start but that the jury is still out.
There is no great reason why a top player should become a top manager and indeed it is unusual when this happens. But I still Premier League than we have seen of late and there will be a good eight or nine clubs fighting to avoid the trapdoor and frankly - Aston Villa were always going to be among them, regardless of who was in charge. To break into the top six requires enormous amounts of money, spent wisely over several years. Villa lack the capacity for that sort of expenditure and the truth is that if you are not battling to be in the top six then you are more often as not likely to be fighting against relegation. My guess is that Gerrard's departure will leave Villa slightly less well equipped for that scrap”
What a pile of shit
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Yes our honours board is pretty woeful over the last 100 years (what a depressing sentence to write) but since when have our league cups been discounted as honours of note? Does he not count them in any teams' honours now? If he was writing a tribute to Clough or Guardiola would he be trimming their four each when talking up their achievements? Very selective in my mind.
As for his assessment of the current situation, interesting comments about the level of spending required to break into the top six. The extent to which the owners are prepared to bankroll us is the unknown here. I don't agree that it necessarily follows that we will be fighting relegation if we are not competing in the top six though. Whenever people have asked me where we should be finishing I say top half with a decent crack at 7th. That's significantly different to 17th will do and not unreasonable in my opinion.
Finally, his guess that we will be less well equipped to scrap without Gerrard. The next appointment could go tits up of course but if he'd had to watch the shite that's been served up this season he'd realise there is no rational defence for Gerrard continuing.
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What a load of bollocks.
So it’s our fault SG is a shit manager?
The reason we have struggled is because since Doug Ellis left we have made 1 good managerial appointment.
They wouldn’t ah e written that about Newcastle would they
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The first few paragraphs setting the context have some truth in them, although completely misses out the SGT, BFR and Little years, when we won league cups (Spurs haven’t won anything other than this in a longer period), finished runners up a couple of times and played in Europe regularly.
The last part of the article is just sycophantic to Gerrard and is badly researched. No mention of his lack of coaching, the fact the team got worse if that was possible in his time and one of his biggest failures for me, his seeming poor man management skills and judgement (look me in the eye, McGinn captain, we’ve been trying to take the players forwards too quickly etc).
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Why are people bothered about an article written by a political journalist and editor of the Spectator?
He is to football what Liz Truss is to economics.
Danks has a free pass tonight and for the first time in a year the opposition has no idea of how we will set up!
I remember 12 months ago laughing at Newcastle for appointing Howe when we got Gerrard? The toonies are laughing at us now.
Howe the manager who most thought only did any good at Bournemouth and got them relegated. Now top 6 in the League. Dyche may be what we need for a couple of seasons? Amorim is a HUGE risk! And why would Rodgers leave the club that has been very loyal to him? Same with Moyes. Any manager is a risk but the owners need to assess this and hopefully make the right choice.
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Villa, Leicester, Everton expect not to go down at the very very very least, and have every right to sack managers who look like failing at this very basic requirement.
As to Liddle, maybe he should stick to subjects he knows better, like pushing women down the stairs
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Yes Aston Villa...
Accept that you are also-rans...
Accept that you are there just to make up the numbers...
Accept that you are just a training ground for shite managers...
Liddle is talking twaddle! GFY Liddle!
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Villa, Leicester, Everton expect not to go down at the very very very least, and have every right to sack managers who look like failing at this very basic requirement.
As to Liddle, maybe he should stick to subjects he knows better, like pushing women down the stairs
Or imagining shagging schoolgirls
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This Liddle chap sounds like a charmer
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Didn’t Liddell have a bit of an issue when he was less than critical of some of his fellow Millwall fans transgressions?
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Rod Liddle in The Times today. Sobering
“Forty years ago Aston Villa won the European Cup - Tony Morley scampering through bemused Germans, cutting inside to Peter Withe, bingo! - beating Bayern Munich 1-0. Five years later they were back in the old Second Division, having finished rock bottom of the top flight. They had won the league championship in 1981, their first title since Edwardian times. It was only their second meaningful trophy since the 1920s too a solitary FA Cup final victory in 1957 illuminating a general postwar gloom at Villa Park.
The records show that Villa are one of Britain's truly big clubs, seven-times winners of the league, seven-times winners of the FA Cup. But context suggests that they were a really a big club only until about the conclusion of the Russo-Japanese War.
There have been plenty of spells in the second tier and one forlorn sojourn down in the third, in 1970-71 and 1971-72, since then.
I am not attempting to belittle Villa - and I have a soft spot for the side that won the European Cup under the enigmatic Tony Barton - they were packed with quality and verve, from Gordon Cowans all the way through to Gary Shaw. Nor am I suggesting that they are on a par with their various yo-yoing Midlands rivals: Villa are basically a steady top-tier team and spent 24 seasons in the Premier League from its inception until 2016, but they have won nothing of note since 1982 and the pinnacle of their achievements more recently have been top-six finishes under Martin O'Neill.
I mention this to provide a little context regarding the sacking of Steven Gerrard, who was booted out of Villa Park last week apparently with the blessing of the Holte End. His departure followed a 3-0 capitulation to Fulham that left Villa fourth from bottom, separated from Wolverhampton Wanderers in 18th only
by goal difference.
Their progress down the table has been gentle, but hastened by draws in games that they might have been expected to win, against Leeds United and Nottingham Forest, for example. Adjusting to the top flight is a difficult business and takes time: you can expect the trapdoor to beckon for the first three, four or five seasons. It is an economic adjustment as well as a footballing adjustment. During the close season Villa spent in the manner of a mid-table side, bringing in the Brazilian defender Diego Carlos from Sevilla for about £26 million, a slightly fading Philippe Coutinho from Barcelona for £17 million (who had been on loan at Villa Park since January) and the Belgium international Leander
Dendoncker. Carlos has done his achilles tendon and has played only two games for his new side, so Gerard might have claimed to have been a little unlucky. Dendoncker, meanwhile - Gerrard's third biggest signing - has been used latterly as a substitute. Villa's
problems are at both ends, but particularly in attack - only Wolves have scored fewer goals.
The forward line has been constantly chopped and changed leading some to suspect that Steven G didn't know what his best side was. This is quite possibly true - but then I am not sure anyone knows what Villa's best side is. There are too many also- rans and never-rans in the squad - Calum Chambers, for example, who is at best a half-decent Championship-level defender.
Villa were supposed to be a brief and glorious staging post for Gerrard on his way to managing Liverpool. Is he any good as a head coach? He gained one title with Rangers during his three years there, so I would suggest that this was a promising start but that the jury is still out.
There is no great reason why a top player should become a top manager and indeed it is unusual when this happens. But I still Premier League than we have seen of late and there will be a good eight or nine clubs fighting to avoid the trapdoor and frankly - Aston Villa were always going to be among them, regardless of who was in charge. To break into the top six requires enormous amounts of money, spent wisely over several years. Villa lack the capacity for that sort of expenditure and the truth is that if you are not battling to be in the top six then you are more often as not likely to be fighting against relegation. My guess is that Gerrard's departure will leave Villa slightly less well equipped for that scrap”
What a pile of shit
Can some one edit this shite and send it back to him please?
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So many inaccuracies so difficult to take it seriously.
Rubbish article that is shallow to say the least.
You'd be handing that work back in if you were at school!
I'm reminded of my English teacher hurling books at kids who had handed shite homework in and Liddle would have had the same treatment with this.
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Back to the poll - Emery and Rodgers are very credible candidates.
My big concern with Rodgers is his inability to fix Leicester’s weakness for leaking goals from set pieces.
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Villa, Leicester, Everton expect not to go down at the very very very least, and have every right to sack managers who look like failing at this very basic requirement.
As to Liddle, maybe he should stick to subjects he knows better, like pushing women down the stairs
Or imagining shagging schoolgirls
Just an old school, no bullshit, family values, wifebeating nonce.
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We have had plenty of spells out of the top flight? 4 years in 50ish isn't it?
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Rod Liddle is a c*nt regardless of what he thinks about Aston Villa. He's not worth talking about outside the context of punching pregnant women.
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What’s Amorim’s English like?
If communication is one of his strengths then hopefully nothing is lost in translation (arguably like Emery).
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Liddle can go fuck himself. If Man Utd had done the treble in 1994 would he have ignored the league cup? Tosser.
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What is the point of Rod Liddle? A right wing fact free zone and a terrible writer.
Some facts Mr Liddle.
We have won more in 30 years than Newcastle have won in about 60 years, have won the league much more recently than Spurs and have reached the pinnacle of European football within the past 40 years. We were runners up in the league twice in the 1990s (so finished in the top 2, three times in thirteen years (1981-1993). The past 25 years has been a barren period by our standards but we still have had European qualifications, runs in Europe (1998, 2008), six top 6 finishes (Gregory, O'Leary and O'Neill) and four major finals (2 FA Cup, 2 League Cup).
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Back to the poll - Emery and Rodgers are very credible candidates.
My big concern with Rodgers is his inability to fix Leicester’s weakness for leaking goals from set pieces.
Weve already got a specialist in that department ain't we ....Nanny Macphee?
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Rod Liddle is a ******. As soon as I saw his name I didn't read any further.
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Rod Liddle is a c*nt regardless of what he thinks about Aston Villa. He's not worth talking about outside the context of punching pregnant women.
He’s also a racist c*nt.
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We have had plenty of spells out of the top flight? 4 years in 50ish isn't it?
Only Everton have had fewer.
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Rod Liddle is a c*nt regardless of what he thinks about Aston Villa. He's not worth talking about outside the context of punching pregnant women.
He’s also a racist c*nt.
Fat, Lazy article applies to both the piece and the author.
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Liddle is a racist c**t……I don’t condone violence but would never get tired of punching that fucker in the face.
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Rod Liddle is a c*nt regardless of what he thinks about Aston Villa. He's not worth talking about outside the context of punching pregnant women.
He’s also a racist c*nt.
Fat, Lazy article applies to both the piece and the author.
Thing is though, I do think that is somewhat the perception of us around the country. If we criticise a manager because we aren't doing well, you see plenty of "who do they think they are" articles and conversations coming up.
On the flip side, Everton fans are always justified in their complaints, no matter the circumstances.
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I reckon most fans are aware of what size club Villa are, and I think, ironically, our spell outside the top flight has only served to remind people. We were always going to have to put up with a lot of shite from sycophantic twats if we sacked Saint Steven of the Slippery Feet, though. Best ignored.
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Just Wikied Liddle......fucking hell!
If you wanted to create a totally foul, racist, selfish, misogynist, ungracious, poisonous fictitious character, guaranteed to be hated by all, that's him!
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I don’t think the owners have just suddenly decided Gerrard wasn’t up to the job, the doubts would have been there at the end of last season. With that in mind, they would have been scouting & putting out feelers for possible replacements long before Gerrard was sacked.
You don’t accumulate the wealth they have without looking further ahead than the next 24 hours.
I think they’ll look to get someone in with PL experience & of the highest calibre possible.
It might be from Rodgers, Emery, Hasenhuttl & Frank.
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What an entirely poorly researched and written article. His editor must have been taking a nap when that mindless dirge crept through. We sack Gerrard because he’s shit and it’s on us not to expect anymore. Glad that right wing waffle crap is behind a pay wall, his sports ‘journalism’ is just about on a par with his race baiting ‘political journalism’.
He should stick to what he knows best, bare handed crap stirring and punching pregnant women.
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Would love Pochettino and think Villa should be trying to move heaven and earth to get him. Failing that Roberto Mancini might be available and would be a fantastic appointment imo. Biesla would be entertaining. Definitely don't want any more managers from Scotland or the EFL.
This next appointment is crucial, but knowing Villa it will probably be John Terry or Wayne Rooney.
I misread the last sentence as us getting John Wayne.
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Would prefer him to Terry or Rooney. And before anyone fucking starts.... NO.
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Would prefer him to Terry or Rooney. And before anyone fucking starts.... NO.
Same here, mate.
We've just got rid of one massive wanker. Don't need another coming back or joining.
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Liddle is a racist c**t……I don’t condone violence but would never get tired of punching that fucker in the face.
Can I join you, mate.
I'd like to feed him to leafcutter ants.
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I’d like us to go for Patrick Vieira if Poch isn’t coming.
I’m not against Rodgers, or Roberto Martinez. However doubtful that is.
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One thing we’ve always done since the owners got here is to do our business without shouting about it in the press. We seem to have a tight ship with regards to transfers etc getting leaked.
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I don't see how Dyche fits with our squad though. He's a hoof, hope and pray merchant. We already cross the ball to no one repeatedly. I think it would be a disaster.
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Dyche would just confirm our total mediocrity for the last 10 years and more
and basically admit that’s where we see ourselves in the foreseeable
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Can we stop taking about Dyche.
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Yes, wash your mouths out and have a lobotomy before mentioning his name again
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Yeah i'm sick of the Dyche stuff.
Anyway, i'm surprised Allardyce hasn't had a mention...
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Or Curbs. And maybe we are luring Warnock out of retirement
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This first 30 mins should put pay to any Dyche talk. This a squad that needs some attacking freedom and a coach who can deliver that.
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Danks and McPee it is then 😂
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This first 30 mins should put pay to any Dyche talk. This a squad that needs some attacking freedom and a coach who can deliver that.
Well said, mate.
Dyche would be an awful choice.
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This first 30 mins should put pay to any Dyche talk. This a squad that needs some attacking freedom and a coach who can deliver that.
I also wonder if it will make one of these high profile guys we’re linked with realise there is a team worth managing
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This first 30 mins should put pay to any Dyche talk. This a squad that needs some attacking freedom and a coach who can deliver that.
I also wonder if it will make one of these high profile guys we’re linked with realise there is a team worth managing
Exactly. Talk of survival, a relegation fight is nonsense, we have a bloody good squad, we just need somebody qualified to manage them.
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It just highlighted why Dyche would be all wrong.
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Silly Villa fans with ‘unreasonable expectations’.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/oct/21/steven-gerrard-aston-villa-sacking-leaves-him-further-from-liverpool-destiny-than-ever
He’s right about it being a managerial graveyard though. But I’d say part of that is because we seem to take punts on managers more than appointing genuinely great ones.
"The expecttations of villa supporters are too high" - Oh okay so because we are Villa fans we shouldn't expect decent football and improving results - what an elitist load of cack...
Seriously, I'd like to know which Villa fans people like him speak to. Myself and most I know accept that breaking the top six on a regular basis is going to be difficult and that a few seasons of finishing firmly inside the top ten is a realistic aim. That and the proposed ground redevelopments will hopefully then entice the quality we need to make that next step.
Given the money we have invested over the past few seasons I don't think those are unrealistic expectations really.
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Ewan Murray is a complete penis if that article is anything to go by.
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The best thing about today is that it eases the need to make a quick appointment, we can take our time and get it right.
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Danksy deserves a crack
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let's not get carried away
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As it stands we might just say Danke to Danke and keep him as head coach.
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Way too early to get carried away but what it does do is allow us to take our time to get the right manager in as it looks like we are in good hands for the time being.
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Hiring him full time would be a mistake, but it looks like we've a decent safe pair of hands in the short term.
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The best thing about today is that it eases the need to make a quick appointment, we can take our time and get it right.
Exactly and like others have said there’s quality in the squad - with three genuine quality players to come back from injury too.
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One major potential downside of Brendan Rodgers getting the job would be 2-3 years of people calling him ‘Rogers.’
Does that error trigger you?
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Hiring him full time would be a mistake, but it looks like we've a decent safe pair of hands in the short term.
Exactly.
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The best thing about today is that it eases the need to make a quick appointment, we can take our time and get it right.
Although the longer we wait the more likely other clubs find themselves on the hunt for a new manager. Leeds, Everton, Leicester could all change before the World Cup if we played a waiting game.
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Hiring him full time would be a mistake, but it looks like we've a decent safe pair of hands in the short term.
Yeah, let's not get carried away.
I remember after MON's flounce, Kevin McDonald took the team and we were brilliant beating West Ham at home, then went to Newcastle and lost 6-0 next match.
He's done brilliantly today, though, really happy for him.
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No,I'm getting carried away thanks.
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No,I'm getting carried away thanks.
Haha fair! He has just delivered our best result in yonks.
But being reasonable, he always sounded like a proper coach, and I'd like to think his staying on under the new guy is a total given.
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Such a shame we haven't got quite enough about us to attract a Pochettino at this point in time as performances like today would become the norm rather than just once or twice a season.
There's loads of talent in this squad so hopefully the ones we're interested in will have taken notice of today and fancy working with likes of Bailey at some point in near future.
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Well Frank said he had a job to finish at Brentford, on that evidence he's welcome to it.
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When Frank took his seat at the start of the match, he was definitely having a good old look around at the ground. Made me suspect he was thinking what it'd be like to manage us.
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He got a good idea by the end
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No,I'm getting carried away thanks.
Haha fair! He has just delivered our best result in yonks.
But being reasonable, he always sounded like a proper coach, and I'd like to think his staying on under the new guy is a total given.
If nothing else, being a coach who when given a chance to manage turned a moribund team into Brazil 70 in two days is going to work in his favour.
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Well Frank said he had a job to finish at Brentford, on that evidence he's welcome to it.
Relegating them, ideally.
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I wonder if Pochettino was watching today?
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Hopefully that performance will raise an eyebrow among those who might have thought managing the Villa was a hopeless case.
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Happy with Danks till Christmas then see where we are. Clearly he had a good handle on what was wrong with the way Gerrard set us up and his tactics, and corrected both at the first opportunity.
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Chiming in with everybody else, that is one of the bigger positives from today, that a top-drawer manager might look at it and think there's definitely something there to work with.
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That performance has bought us some time now as long as the next match we don't do a McDonald and lose 6-0.
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I wonder if the young whippersnapper in Lisbon was watching it. Imagine you had that today, with Carlos, Kamara and Coutinho firing too. There's quality players in our squad. Even playing McGinn in the 10 slot behind the striker away from home might be a decent way forward.
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That performance has bought us some time now as long as the next match we don't do a McDonald and lose 6-0.
McDonald's first game in charge benefited from Milner being there and in great form. He was gone by the Newcastle match.
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That performance has bought us some time now as long as the next match we don't do a McDonald and lose 6-0.
McDonald's first game in charge benefited from Milner being there and in great form. He was gone by the Newcastle match.
One of the saddest moments I've had at VP. Applauding Milner off as we twatted West Ham. Albrighton was outstanding that day too.
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Amorin release clause is actually only £10m not £30m as first thought
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I wonder if Gerrard was too stubborn and controlling to allow Danks to train the team for a performance such as today over the past 11 months
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I wonder if Gerrard was too stubborn and controlling to allow Danks to train the team for a performance such as today over the past 11 months
Being realistic that wouldn’t have been down training, he would have had one session max. It’s about organisation, the right shape, and players believing in what they were doing. Hopefully he’ll remain in the new coaching set up and be able to have some influence.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a team/formation the players picked. lots of round pegs in round holes and the effort that would go with it.
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Frank has done really well with Brentford, but I wouldn't want him here
"It was another nightmare on the road for Frank, whose Brentford side have now shipped 15 goals in six winless games away from home"
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Hopefully any prospective managers were watching today and thought there is something here they can work with.
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And shows them to set-up in a 4231 with 2 genuine holding midfielders in front of the centre-backs with McGinn on the bench.
We looked best when we played 4231 when Grealish was in the team, why we ever went away from that shape I don't know. Our troubles began then.
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The best thing about today is that it eases the need to make a quick appointment, we can take our time and get it right.
Although the longer we wait the more likely other clubs find themselves on the hunt for a new manager. Leeds, Everton, Leicester could all change before the World Cup if we played a waiting game.
We need to hire during this next week, to give the incomer the best possible chance to exploit the WC break and January window.
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If this set up can continue to get a tune out of these players then we can take our time to get the right person.
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If this set up can continue to get a tune out of these players then we can take our time to get the right person.
Carpe diem, mate. This year is unique in giving us the mini pre-season, and it makes sense to use this to give the new manager the best possible chances of early success.
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If this set up can continue to get a tune out of these players then we can take our time to get the right person.
My thoughts too
Might give us a bit of space not to rush into things too quickly Let’s get it right next time
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Have to say I’ve never heard of this Amorim fella
But I find it way easier to get excited about managers I’ve Never heard of than ones that I actually have
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Have to say I’ve never heard of this Amorim fella
But I find it way easier to get excited about managers I’ve Never heard of than ones that I actually have
Same, even someone like bielsa doesn’t carry the exotic unlimited possibilities compared to someone I hadn’t heard of until a week ago.
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We've been discussing Amorim on here since the beginning of September. One thing that made me smile today was we played just like his Sporting team. Food for thought. Now watch Spurs draw on Wednesday.
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We've been discussing Amorim on here since the beginning of September. One thing that made me smile today was we played just like his Sporting team. Food for thought. Now watch Spurs draw on Wednesday.
Kudos to you as you have definitely endorsed him for the past few months on here but that was the first time I’d heard of him.
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Sporting is my team here, closest club to where I live plus all the PT family are Sporting. Like the Villa they're a really hard team to support, so many missed opportunities, crap chairman etc but they are a beautiful club. Benfica are the Man Utd of Portugal, every gloryhunter supports them.
Amorim has been like a breath of fresh air. Imagine today every week. That's what he's achieved. Oh and yes, to your previous question, he does speak English. Probably better than our last manager.
I really think he'd be the perfect fit for us on so many levels, I even think the fans wouldn't turn on him if he had a bad patch because after what we've been through, we'd all see what he's trying to achieve and would be supportive.
He's special but I still don't believe the timing is right for him. I just can't see him walking out on Sporting. He's having too much fun and money is not his god. Ambition? That's our one opportunity.
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Rudy what about the pull of the PL?
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The next step can be Spain, Italy, Germany or England. I don't think France is what he needs and talk today of PSG wanting him at the end of the season would probably destroy him. He needs time and space to grow and exercise his ideas. Man U, Chelsea, Spurs have all had him on their shortlists but I reckon 5 years at Villa Park would be ideal but then I would say that.
I don't believe he's a coach that would insist on CL tomorrow, he likes to build and from our youth set up to our owners are the things that would attract him. Get the squad up to speed, bring through the youngsters where possible, have some money to spend if there's a top player that would fit into his system, European football.. see where I'm going with this? It's like a blueprint of our owners plans for the club.
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Portuguese press are reporting that he's not going anywhere so not sure what this telegraph article is all about really.
I imagine we'll find out tomorrow what's happening with him
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Portuguese press are reporting that he's not going anywhere so not sure what this telegraph article is all about really.
I imagine we'll find out tomorrow what's happening with him
No, we'll find out Wednesday night after their game with Spurs. There's nothing in the Portuguese press other than he's not going to discuss it. He's focused on the next game that could possibly put Sporting into the knockout stages of the CL. With the players out injured, I don't see it happening. That said, he believes his squad is seamless and he can swap one player for another and you won't note the difference as that's how he's coached and prepared them.
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I think there is always an element of agents using a situation elsewhere to big up their clients. Start a rumour that an ambitious PL club like us is sniffing around and it raises the profile and might make some 'bigger' clubs act in case they miss the boat.
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Portuguese press are reporting that he's not going anywhere so not sure what this telegraph article is all about really.
I imagine we'll find out tomorrow what's happening with him
No, we'll find out Wednesday night after their game with Spurs. There's nothing in the Portuguese press other than he's not going to discuss it. He's focused on the next game that could possibly put Sporting into the knockout stages of the CL. With the players out injured, I don't see it happening. That said, he believes his squad is seamless and he can swap one player for another and you won't note the difference as that's how he's coached and prepared them.
You’ve sold him to me RCF, I can wait until after Wednesday
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I was listening to a podcast and it would seem as though there are 3 or 4 top managers who would be interested in (Poch, Tuchel, the Sporting Manager) after those we are then looking at the likes of Dyche etc
There is not a great pool of talent to chose from after the big hitters! and it appears as though none of those are wanting the Villa job. (I dont know why - best club in the world, what more can they want!)
We maybe like Wolves, keep Danks until after the world cup to see which National team manager then becomes available.
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And we all know which former international manager we'll get: Southgate!
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Southgate would be loathed here, both because he's a monumental knob, but also because he is a very, very poor football manager.
Martinez the same. Awful manager.
There are others. Svenson at Mainz, Knutsen etc. Christ I'd take Dyche over Soutgate and Martinez.
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Saw a rumour mentioning Kompany?? Doing well at Burnley apparently and guess who his first team coach was at Anderlecht? One Mr Danks?
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I wouldn't be averse to Kompany, he's doing well and like said, clearly a fan of Danks.
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Can't profess to have heard of Amorim before the last few days, but RCF has sold him to me (if he'll come, of course). Sounds a brilliant manager.
Wouldn't overly bother me if we kept Danks as caretaker manager for a bit at the moment. Needs more evidence to back it up, but he's made a great start.
Not as against Dyche as some on here. Wouldn't be my choice, but I think he's a good manager - just not one I'd particularly like to see at Villa.
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To have hopes of Poch, Emery and then decide on Kompany, Dyche, Frank for me that would be so disappointing and typical of Villa
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The points some of you made about Amorim the other day have persuaded me he could be a great option. I still feel it's a gamble, but a very exciting one if we can get him. (There was no news on this at all)
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Southgate would be loathed here, both because he's a monumental knob, but also because he is a very, very poor football manager.
Martinez the same. Awful manager.
There are others. Svenson at Mainz, Knutsen etc. Christ I'd take Dyche over Soutgate and Martinez.
Southgate....
I'd rather have Eric Black with Gerrard as assistant.
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Are these rumours of us talking to Kompany true? Even less experienced than Gerrard.
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Can't profess to have heard of Amorim before the last few days, but RCF has sold him to me (if he'll come, of course). Sounds a brilliant manager.
Wouldn't overly bother me if we kept Danks as caretaker manager for a bit at the moment. Needs more evidence to back it up, but he's made a great start.
Not as against Dyche as some on here. Wouldn't be my choice, but I think he's a good manager - just not one I'd particularly like to see at Villa.
This is me, completely sold on Amorim from what RCF has said. Its only one game against a team that can’t buy a win away from home, but having the Dyche style of play with those players would be a case of needles in the eyes.
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I wouldn't be averse to Kompany, he's doing well and like said, clearly a fan of Danks.
Would you be happy that we experimented with another rookie manager?
Don't get me wrong, from what I've rad about Kompany, he sounds like a very plausible manager, but after rookie SG ...?
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I was listening to a podcast and it would seem as though there are 3 or 4 top managers who would be interested in (Poch, Tuchel, the Sporting Manager) after those we are then looking at the likes of Dyche etc
There is not a great pool of talent to chose from after the big hitters! and it appears as though none of those are wanting the Villa job. (I dont know why - best club in the world, what more can they want!)
We maybe like Wolves, keep Danks until after the world cup to see which National team manager then becomes available.
Emery is the choice that fits between the 'big hitters' and the rest.
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I wouldn't be averse to Kompany, he's doing well and like said, clearly a fan of Danks.
Would you be happy that we experimented with another rookie manager?
Don't get me wrong, from what I've rad about Kompany, he sounds like a very plausible manager, but after rookie SG ...?
So is Amorim. I think the best solution for me would be Emery, but very little talk of that at the moment.
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This stuff about national team managers being available after the World Cup. Are there any that we would want? International football is a different (and worse) game.
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Saw a rumour mentioning Kompany?? Doing well at Burnley apparently and guess who his first team coach was at Anderlecht? One Mr Danks?
I saw that from...Football Indsider. Nailed on then.
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I wouldn't be averse to Kompany, he's doing well and like said, clearly a fan of Danks.
Would you be happy that we experimented with another rookie manager?
Don't get me wrong, from what I've rad about Kompany, he sounds like a very plausible manager, but after rookie SG ...?
I agree. I'm not averse to having a rookie manager, but I'd be thinking more along the lines of Amorim - one who you could see a big club taking a risk on. I'd see us as at least aspiring to be higher up the food chain than picking managers who'd won a title in a league that, if we're honest, probably takes less tactical ingenuity to win than the Championship *cough* Gerrard *cough*.
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This stuff about national team managers being available after the World Cup. Are there any that we would want? International football is a different (and worse) game.
No thanks, I feel the same as you’ve said, International Football is a different game all together.
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It’s Emery innit
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I've just heard that from a guy who works for the FA... Emery today.
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I've just heard that from a guy who works for the FA... Emery today.
Someone has lumped on ...
Odds from SkyBet
Emery 11/10
Amorim 7/2
Dyche 7/1
Rodgers 8/1
Poch 9/1
Frank 10/1
Kompany 12/1
Beale 14/1
Danks 16/1
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Probably my £5.
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I just hope we appoint someone ASAP, as good as yesterday was I don't us want to wait around like those 70's throwbacks in Bilston.
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Probably my £5.
High roller eh
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I've just heard that from a guy who works for the FA... Emery today.
Wow! We don't mess about.
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I voted Emery fearing the worst eg Dyche, but I have been swayed by Amorim and will now be disappointed if we get Emery 🙄 Emery is the most successful but does have his poor fit moments such as Spartak, so if he comes I hope it doesn’t become one of those!
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
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Amorim and Emery would both be big statement appointments. I think I'd be happy with either. If it was to be Amorin I assume it wouldn't be until after their game on Wednesday.
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i agree Emery or Amorim would both be excellent appointments
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
P78. W43. D6. L19. Win % 55.1%. Stats we can only dream of!
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
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Emery is a good fit. And, knows the Prem. I’d be happy with him.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
Quite. I'd not be happy with a win percentage of 55% either.
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What is Emery's philosophy? An Argentinian pal who watches a lot more Spanish football than I do said he can be quite negative? I know Villareal's success in Europe has had to see them be under the cosh against bigger clubs at the latter stages of the Europa League or Champs League but against the majority of teams in La Liga, I'd like to know how he sets his team up.
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I still think Brendan Rodgers would be the best fit right now. Mostly plays 4-2-3-1, has been working with a similar group of players to us, has managed at big clubs and has a had success playing good football. Guess he won't be in danger of being sacked by Leicester right now though given they seem to have turned a corner.
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He can be negative, but his basics are way above the basics we've had at our club for a long time. There's a certain bare-minimum passing and movement sophistication we've just never caught up with, and even though he can be defensive by Spanish standards it would still be a great breakthrough.
Maybe not the most exciting option (that would be Amorim), but an exceptionally competent one.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
P78. W43. D6. L19. Win % 55.1%. Stats we can only dream of!
and done in the very difficult circumstances of replacing a guy who'd been there for more than 20 years and with a squad that needed a lot of work to get back where they expected to be.
Either side he's won stuff everywhere else he's managed, including 4 Europa league titles, for clubs with Villa in their name.
Also had a better win record at PSG than either Tuchel or Poch.
All in, he's a very good manager who brings youth through well and plays good football. On the poll I voted for him (but I'd be just as happy with Poch) because I think he'd be great with the squad and academy we have right now.
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Emery might be one of the few realistic appointments that most of us will get behind. An experienced manager, with Premier League experience, that has a great record with a similar status club (I think - I don't follow much Spanish football) and has managed some clubs with huge expectations. He's a proper coach and tactitian, seems to prefer a style that suits us (the invincible double pivot) and should get a lot of respect from our players.
It sounds like a sensible, progressive appointment to push the club up a level.
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Well he was my realistic hope (once Poch was out), so that would be lovely
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Is there any evidence that this is happening?
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This stuff about national team managers being available after the World Cup. Are there any that we would want? International football is a different (and worse) game.
Surely the most obvious one to approach if that's the route we eventually go down is Mancini who will be twiddling his thumbs in Rome while that tournament is progressing?
Surely wouldn't take that much to buy him out of his Italian deal.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
Just reading an Arsenal forum on his time there. It ain't pretty though he's not fully responsible for things not working there. All say he's a very decent person which is no surprise what with him being Basque.
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery.34035/
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery-adios.33365/page-749
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
He wanted to sign Zaha, spoke with him, everything sorted but his board refused and brought in Pepe instead.
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Emery would be great. Manager one of the elite leagues who has won a major European trophy with the Spanish equivalent of Solihull Moors.
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This stuff about national team managers being available after the World Cup. Are there any that we would want? International football is a different (and worse) game.
Roberto Martinez!
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
He didn't give Martinelli his chance, he signed him.
The big black mark is that he spent a fortune on Pepe who was massively underwhelming but given that window also saw Tierney, Saliba and the aforementioned Martinelli join I reckon it was largely offset by the others.
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I wouldn't be averse to Kompany, he's doing well and like said, clearly a fan of Danks.
The last thing we need right now is another manager cutting his teeth in management.
Not for me.
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He can be negative, but his basics are way above the basics we've had at our club for a long time. There's a certain bare-minimum passing and movement sophistication we've just never caught up with, and even though he can be defensive by Spanish standards it would still be a great breakthrough.
Maybe not the most exciting option (that would be Amorim), but an exceptionally competent one.
Interesting, cheers.
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Getting rid of Gerrard to bring in someone who is even more of a gamble would be mental.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
He didn't give Martinelli his chance, he signed him.
The big black mark is that he spent a fortune on Pepe who was massively underwhelming but given that window also saw Tierney, Saliba and the aforementioned Martinelli join I reckon it was largely offset by the others.
Yes, but see Rudy's point above - he wanted Zaha and the board landed him Pepe. My Dad is a Gooner and thinks even signing Zaha now in his current form could win them the league.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
He wanted to sign Zaha, spoke with him, everything sorted but his board refused and brought in Pepe instead.
I'd heard a slightly different version of that story which suggests he was more on board with the signing than you suggest but either way I'd say that signing was the only major mistake whilst he was there.
What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
Just reading an Arsenal forum on his time there. It ain't pretty though he's not fully responsible for things not working there. All say he's a very decent person which is no surprise what with him being Basque.
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery.34035/ (https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery.34035/)
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery-adios.33365/page-749 (https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/unai-emery-adios.33365/page-749)
I know that it's sometimes important to look at what fans of previous clubs say but in this specific case I don't put much weight on those opinions. If you look at the squad he inherited it was always going to take a few years to sort them out but the arsenal fans were insistent that anything less than the top 4 would be a failure, he still got them to the Europa league final and comfortably qualified for the next year.
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He can be negative, but his basics are way above the basics we've had at our club for a long time. There's a certain bare-minimum passing and movement sophistication we've just never caught up with, and even though he can be defensive by Spanish standards it would still be a great breakthrough.
Maybe not the most exciting option (that would be Amorim), but an exceptionally competent one.
Interesting, cheers.
I think Negative is a bit unfair, he builds his team around a solid defence with heavy pressure on the ball and then focusess on quickly transitioning into attack, pretty much exactly how we played yesterday.
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Emery would be a decent appointment, it's written in the stars for him anyway, Sevilla, Villareal, Aston Villa.
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The odds on him are tumbling by the minute with everyone else heading out, somebody in the know is either certain he's the next manager or thousands are piling money on it.
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Or, a bunch of punters are just following Twitter speculation and/or the market.
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14/1 to even money in an hour of football manager appointments doesn't take a lot of doing.
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Or someone is playing with the market to get Dyche out to a big number before lumping on lol
I'd love it to be true about Emery. After the real top drawer ones, he's right up there.
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Or, a bunch of punters are just following Twitter speculation and/or the market.
Yep, a few people chucking a few qud on and it becomes self fulfiling as others pile in.
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What was the story with Emery at Arsenal?
He was made fun of because he couldn't say "evening" properly.
Results weren't great either.
In his only full season he finished 5th and reached the europa league final.
18 months after he left they were still finishing 8th.
In the circumstances he did o.k imo and also gave likes of Saka and Martinelli their first chances.
That's something important to us with some of the young players we have on our fringes.
He didn't give Martinelli his chance, he signed him.
The big black mark is that he spent a fortune on Pepe who was massively underwhelming but given that window also saw Tierney, Saliba and the aforementioned Martinelli join I reckon it was largely offset by the others.
Arsenal had a few sporting directors in his time there so think they were signing those young players but he had to weigh up how soon they could get into the team.
As said above he never wanted Pepe, pushed the board to sign Zaha instead who was more premier league proven but got overruled.
He also started an 18 year old in europa league final v Man. United which takes some guts and it paid off.
It's important we have someone who actually gives our youth decent chances when ready, Gerrard giving Archer 10 minutes all season when he's been playing and scoring regularly for last six months was a disgrace so that's an easy win for the next one managing us.
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4 2 3 1 may be here to stay
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Emery would be a decent appointment I allways thought he got a bad rep at Arsenal who were going through a lot of problems with players. His Europa league record is impressive.
Win % is around 50% and loses around 25%.ignoring PSG stats.
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Emery was never given a proper chance at Arsenal. Anyone following Wenger was in for a tough time, and was accent was picked on by the little Englanders amongst their supporter base. He’s undoubtedly proven over many years he is excellent tactically and without having to spend a fortune built really excellent teams to compete in domestic and European competitions. He’d be an excellent choice.
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He’s not British so he’s more than half way there to get my vote already
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Emery would be a decent appointment I allways thought he got a bad rep at Arsenal who were going through a lot of problems with players. His Europa league record is impressive.
Win % is around 50% and loses around 25%.ignoring PSG stats.
We've never had a single manager in our entire history who's managed to get over the 50% win threshold.
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Emery would be a great appointment. I think Kompany will be a good manager in the future, but not one for us to take a punt on now.
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We've never had a single manager in our entire history who's managed to get over the 50% win threshold.
Danks has a 100% win record :)
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
Because there's still enough games left here for us to qualify for next seasons
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I'm just glad all the talk is around Poch, Amorim, and Emery. All managers who you could see rocking up at clubs in the same position as we want to be.
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
A bigger wage packet. :)
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
Watch Spurs beat them 4-0 on Wednesday with Sporting getting another two players sent off.
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I still think Brendan Rodgers would be the best fit right now. Mostly plays 4-2-3-1, has been working with a similar group of players to us, has managed at big clubs and has a had success playing good football. Guess he won't be in danger of being sacked by Leicester right now though given they seem to have turned a corner.
I don't care how good a fit Rodgers might be. I find him absolutely loathsome and don't want him to ever be associated with Villa.
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Does he speak English Marko?
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
More money, the chance to actually buy players and not be expected to qualify for the Champions League every year with no budget.
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I still think Brendan Rodgers would be the best fit right now. Mostly plays 4-2-3-1, has been working with a similar group of players to us, has managed at big clubs and has a had success playing good football. Guess he won't be in danger of being sacked by Leicester right now though given they seem to have turned a corner.
I don't care how good a fit Rodgers might be. I find him absolutely loathsome and don't want him to ever be associated with Villa.
I sort of agree - I can't say I loathe him 'cos I don't know him and it's a strong word. But, I have certainly not warmed to him!
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Does he speak English Marko?
His English is very good
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Does he speak English Marko?
His English is very good
Amorim's ain't bad either.
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
More money, the chance to actually buy players and not be expected to qualify for the Champions League every year with no budget.
Also, it's the Premier League. I don't think it's parochial or chauvinist to say that it's a massive draw, even though there may be just as much if not more quality in other countries. English football simply enjoys global visibility like no other.
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We've never had a single manager in our entire history who's managed to get over the 50% win threshold.
Danks has a 100% win record :)
Jim Barron
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We've never had a single manager in our entire history who's managed to get over the 50% win threshold.
Danks has a 100% win record :)
Jim Barron
Oh, and what a win it was!
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Amorim is the main contender according to BBC but I don't see why he would give up a chance to walk away from CL knockout stage.
Because there's still enough games left here for us to qualify for next seasons
That's a very good reply.
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The Beeb have moved the Amorim to their main football story - not sure if is just speculation on their part. I have decided I'd be more than happy with him or Emery, anyone else will now be meh!!
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Yep, that's where I am.
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The Beeb have moved the Amorim to their main football story - not sure if is just speculation on their part. I have decided I'd be more than happy with him or Emery, anyone else will now be meh!!
I suspected it would end up being between them as soon as the rumour of Poch saying no started going around (I voted want Emery and think Amorim), thhy do seem to be the 2 that obviously fit with our ambitions. I've leaned more towards Emery because of the name, his experience and that I think his tactics fit our squad a little better (in that order sadly, I need to get over the dream of seeing my name linked to Villa winning stuff) but I suspect Amorim has the higher ceiling.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
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Amorim seems more a heart appointment and Emery a head one. Would be delighted with either, though.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Which is why we'll soon be seeing "Welcome to Aston Villa Sean Dyche"
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Me too. Anything less now would be disappointing. I'm leaning more towards Emery because of his Prem experience and the saving the best Villa till last.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder have a hit with that song?
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Me too. Anything less now would be disappointing. I'm leaning more towards Emery because of his Prem experience and the saving the best Villa till last.
It would be nice to get a proper Villa man in, and he really bloody loves the Villa - hence his attempts to manage every team with "Villa" in the name.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
No doubt they'll both get ruled out by the time I sit down to my tea
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Steven Wonder have a hit with that song?
Called it several pages back
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Steven Wonder have a hit with that song?
Very good.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
No doubt they'll both get ruled out by the time I sit down to my tea
I suggest you go without tea today...and tomorrow.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Steven Wonder have a hit with that song?
Yeah it was Stevie's 3rd best number 1 in UK (out of 3). USA for Africa 2nd best. I just called to say I Love You - the best.
For such a distinguished artist not a great look
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One of the greater indictments of the British single-buying public is that Chuck Berry's only number one was "My Ding-A-Ling".
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Steven Wonder have a hit with that song?
Called it several pages back
You might have. I see this as a rerelease.
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The Beeb have moved the Amorim to their main football story - not sure if is just speculation on their part. I have decided I'd be more than happy with him or Emery, anyone else will now be meh!!
Agree
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One of the greater indictments of the British single-buying public is that Chuck Berry's only number one was "My Ding-A-Ling".
'Everything I do' by Bryan Adams. 17 weeks at number one. 17 fucking weeks.
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Does Stevie auto correct to Steven?
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Does Steven auto correct to Steven?
Haha, yeah it does. Brilliantly petty but we can probably change it back now he's gone.
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Well Pochettino changing his mind would obviously be fine too, but yes. Amorim and Emery (now say that fast 100 times) both look like intelligent, sane, coherent appointments.
Didnt Paul McCartney and Steven Wonder have a hit with that song?
Called it several pages back
You might have. I see this as a rerelease.
See you in court
Does Steven auto correct to Steven?
It strives to be the best Steven at all times
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One of the greater indictments of the British single-buying public is that Chuck Berry's only number one was "My Ding-A-Ling".
'Everything I do' by Bryan Adams. 17 weeks at number one. 17 fucking weeks.
I worked in HMV in the Pavilions when i was 19 back in the early 90s. At the time they had a ground floor DJ, and they used to play the number one single about once an hour…7 times a day. Meatloaf, i would do anything for love but i wont…was number one for f**king weeks. A new form of torture.
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One of the greater indictments of the British single-buying public is that Chuck Berry's only number one was "My Ding-A-Ling".
'Everything I do' by Bryan Adams. 17 weeks at number one. 17 fucking weeks.
I worked in HMV in the Pavilions when i was 19 back in the early 90s. At the time they had a ground floor DJ, and they used to play the number one single about once an hour…7 times a day. Meatloaf, i would do anything for love but i wont…was number one for f**king weeks. A new form of torture.
My mate's mum was a big Meatloaf fan, and we used to be able to doss there after getting pissed underage. The downside was she'd get us up first thing blasting that shite through the house.
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I still think Brendan Rodgers would be the best fit right now. Mostly plays 4-2-3-1, has been working with a similar group of players to us, has managed at big clubs and has a had success playing good football. Guess he won't be in danger of being sacked by Leicester right now though given they seem to have turned a corner.
I don't care how good a fit Rodgers might be. I find him absolutely loathsome and don't want him to ever be associated with Villa.
Any reason why? He can be a bit cringeworthy at times when he talks about the "project" and "group", but he must have gone a bit further than that to be "absolutely loathsome".
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Yeah, I'm not sure what he's supposed to have done that's particularly bad.
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Can't believe I've just watched 12 minutes of this. Why are they all so clueless? And Stelling barely any better with the questions.
But listen to the shite Merson spouts, especially at the end. We're a West Brom job cos we just want to stay up? ???
I don't understand how he keeps stealing a living as a pundit. He can't articulate, he doesn't do any homework on players names "I didn't understand the Coutinho signing when they had the boy from Norwich" and comes across as the pub-going-Sun headline-reading man.
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eamon, they are just useful idiots in that they can waste air time by coming out with tap room bar boring made up rubbish.
Sadly Merson is getting more embarrassing as he gets older and I think his brain has gone walkabout. Sherwood is just a complete thick o.
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Not sure there's any solid links to Emery. Seems to have stemmed from Twitter speculation and a few people lumping on.
Gregg Evans suggested we're aiming for an appointment next week, so prob not worth refreshing the page every 5 mins.
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Emery for me
🤞🏻
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Not sure there's any solid links to Emery. Seems to have stemmed from Twitter speculation and a few people lumping on.
Gregg Evans suggested we're aiming for an appointment next week, so prob not worth refreshing the page every 5 mins.
I'm not cutting down to every five minutes.
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Not sure there's any solid links to Emery. Seems to have stemmed from Twitter speculation and a few people lumping on.
Gregg Evans suggested we're aiming for an appointment next week, so prob not worth refreshing the page every 5 mins.
I stand corrected - Guillem Balague linking him on Twitter:
Emery to Aston Villa, more than just a possibility. Villa want to pay the buy out clause
<edit - I know quoting yourself is the height of bad manners, but seemed the best way to link the new info>
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Quality over speed. We have a tough run of 3 PL games coming up before the WC break but I’d be happier to see the club taking their time and focusing on the right appt than feeling rushed into something.
To some extent, giving Danks and the senior players (Emi, Ashley, Tyrone, etc) some breathing space may work in our favour
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No lie, if Danks beats Newcastle 4-0 it's going to be hard for me not to do an objectively wrong and dumb thing by getting completely carried away by the 'caretaker takes over' fallacy.
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If it's Emery or Almorim I'd like them signed on the dotted line at the earliest possible opportunity. Tomorrow would be perfect.
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No lie, if Danks beats Newcastle 4-0 it's going to be hard for me not to do an objectively wrong and dumb thing by getting completely carried away by the 'caretaker takes over' fallacy.
Let's hope the owners don't feel the same. I remember when General Krulak on here strongly intimated that MacDonald was being strongly considered for the full time job, which the 6-0 demolition by Newcastle soon put paid to.
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
I believe this is an established Villareal journalist - this is his bio
"Many years after Villarreal, in sickness and in health, in riches and in poverty, in the good and the bad.
@esportsvila
@diarioas
@EFEdeportes"
And these are his tweets:
Aston Villa wants to pay Emery's clause, and there are options that the coach can leave.
key hours
This is very serious
Aston Villa tempt Emery https://as.com/futbol/primera/el-aston-villa-tienta-a-emery-n/?ssm=TW_CC via
@diarioas
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
Ent that Catalan?
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If it's Emery or Almorim I'd like them signed on the dotted line at the earliest possible opportunity. Tomorrow would be perfect.
Yes to either of them. Much better names being linked now.
I wanted Gerrard to work, but he wouldn't even have been in a top 20 list of potential managers ahead of him being signed up.
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Yep, seems to be gaining momentum. It would be a good appointment i think.
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
Ent that Catalan?
I dunno mate, I've never heard of him tbh.
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
Ent that Catalan?
Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese and Italian are all basically the same, aren't they? Italians just move their hands more?
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Now we're taking, a proper source:
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira
Exciting times.
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
Ent that Catalan?
Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese and Italian are all basically the same, aren't they? Italians just move their hands more?
In the Veneto, yeah, they basically speak weird Spanish.
Please don't tell anyone I know I said that, I have a family.
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I've gone from not really considering him as an option to being potentially really disappointed if he turns us down in the space of about 5 hours. Hopefully it goes through without a hitch.
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Romano's now running with us spproaching Villarreal for Emery.
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After Poch, Emery has been my favoured option since Gerrard was potted, so quite excited. He's got the sort of record that we should be looking for and could be brilliant for us. Really hope he signs up.
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seems like Emery it is then.. would be a great appointment.
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We may be making approaches but no guarantee he'll accept. Interesting article from Balague for the BBC from a few months ago, which mentions family being one of the reasons why he rejected Newcastle last year:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61300016
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Fabrizio reporting that we have approached Emery and that it's all up to him, the release fee won't be am issue. In terms of getting sometime done quickly, he would likely be easier to wrap up than Amorim as, unlike Sporting, Villarreal's midweek game is largely meaningless (they've already secured top spot in their Europa League group).
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He always comes across as a decent bloke too whenever interviewed. Smart and humble. His teams play good football. I never considered Emery initially but he’d be excellent given where we are realistically. Sign him long term and get him the help he needs to get us playing some cultured football.
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I often wonder how these decisions to approach option a, b,c, etc work. Do they go straight in like a bull at a gate or is any research done? Do they sound out his agent, talk to people who know him etc to find out if he's amenable to a move/challenge? If they don't do due dilligence then it's such a waste of time chasing a lost cause when that time could be put to better use in the cause.
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I imagine most is done very secretly and in no specific order because they approach managers/agents and managers/agents approach them. And discussions progress at different speeds/levels of success or failure. I imagine we had a wish list. Poch might have been at the top of that but don’t know that Emery would have been far off along with Amorim.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
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well, we certainly look more attractive than the wolves in the manager stakes
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The noise on Emery really growing now, Spanish journalists getting involved.
https://twitter.com/javimatagil
Ent that Catalan?
Spanish, Catalan, Portuguese and Italian are all basically the same, aren't they? Italians just move their hands more?
I haven't spent a lot of time in Catalonia, and my (Castillan) Spanish is a long way from good, but the two are exactly the same as far as I can tell, bar the odd spelling difference.
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I hope Unai can get us playing sexy football when required.
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Can’t have any complaints with Emery, and I’d bracket him in the same managerial ratings as Poch and Tuchel. As exciting as Amorim sounds, he’s still an unknown quantity with little experience. I’d be more than happy with either, but the experience of Emery is probably the sensible stable choice albeit Amorim would probably the more exciting.
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He would be very good if we can get him.
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What’s his buy out fee?
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Some good advice below if he comes. And if he doesn't.
Luis Miguel Echegaray
@lmechegaray
I am also asking any Villa fan to please not fall into the “good ebening” jokes. As someone who watched his father often be belittled in England because of his accent, it feels ignorant & xenophobic.
Also, if you only speak one language…you really need to sit this one down
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1584577553100001280
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What’s his buy out fee?
£5 million and all the blood he can drink.
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Percy reporting it now too
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Ace, get it done!
He'll almost certainly be shit, not because he's actually shit, but because all Villa managers end up being shit, but it's nice to be linked with that level of boss for a change.
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Since I researched him on Friday night Emery is the man I have wanted us to get. Arguably our biggest appointment since the 90s and certainly our biggest since 2006.
Get him a copy of the BT sport 1982 documentary Super Villans!
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Marca now reporting it and claiming its a 3 year Contract + an option for a further year. Looks like it's happening.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/villarreal/2022/10/24/6356be9922601df77e8b45ce.html
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Great if it’s Emery, and we can always go back for the Amornin fella next year when he turns out to be shit.
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https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Ffootball%2F2022%2F10%2F24%2Faston-villa-target-unai-emery-shock-premier-league-return%2F
Telegraph article, sounds promising.
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Percy (not our one) says:
Aston Villa are in advanced negotiations over a move to bring Unai Emery, the former Arsenal manager, back to the Premier League.
Villa are ready to pay the £5.2 million compensation required to prise Emery away from Villarreal and appoint him as Steven Gerrard's successor, with further talks expected tonight.
Their move for Emery, who was dismissed by Arsenal in November 2019 after 18 months in charge, comes after Villa pulled out of talks with Sporting's head coach Ruben Amorim earlier on Monday.
Emery rejected an approach from Newcastle last year but the Spaniard is understood to be seriously weighing up a proposition from Villa's owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens.
Reports in Spain have suggested that Emery could make a decision on his future in the next few hours.
The 50 year old's reputation across Europe remains high and in his first season at Villarreal he guided the club to the Europa League final where they beat Manchester United on penalties.
His most impressive achievements were with Sevilla, where he won three successive Europa League trophies, while also winning the Ligue 1 title and two French Cups with Paris Saint-Germain.
Villa have ambitious plans to eventually compete regularly in European competition under NSWE and believe Emery could prove a significant coup.
Emery's current club, Villarreal, are 11th in the La Liga table, winning five and drawing three of their 11 matches so far.
They face Hapoel Be'er Sheva in the Europa Conference League on Thursday night.
Amorim has been another top target for Villa but on Monday proposed negotiations with his representatives were called off.
Villa sacked Gerrard last week after an alarming start to the season but secured a 4-0 win over Brentford on Sunday under caretaker manager Aaron Danks.
They are 14th in the Premier League table and face Newcastle this weekend.
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What’s his buy out fee?
£5 million and all the blood he can drink.
Small change then, thanks.
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I would be pleased with this appointment.
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Proper big boy club appointment if this comes off.
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https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Ffootball%2F2022%2F10%2F24%2Faston-villa-target-unai-emery-shock-premier-league-return%2F
Telegraph article, sounds promising.
Can you get the 12Ft cheat to work on Times articles? It only works for the first few paragraphs of an article, lately.
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Fabrizio Romano saying it is expected to happen
Feels like a proper appointment if true.
As risso said, hell turn out to be shite and well all be saying that we should have appointed Dyche or whoever takes over at wolves
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No, I just tried it, got the same as you. It also doesn't seem to work at all with Athletic articles.
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Interesting that, from memory, he’s got a tune out of players that hadn’t been considered good enough for the PL. Some of it might be down to the competitiveness of La Liga but he or his staff can certainly coach players to improve.
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Hope it happens, finally it looks like we might get a manager with a good pedigree.
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Wow, please be right Fabrizio. If we have ended our interest in Amorim, this feels like all or nothing with not too many sexy options left.
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No, I just tried it, got the same as you. It also doesn't seem to work at all with Athletic articles.
Use this. Works on everything (that I've tried, anyway).
https://archive.ph/
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If he could bring Pau Torres with him, that would be grand.
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No, I just tried it, got the same as you. It also doesn't seem to work at all with Athletic articles.
Use this. Works on everything (that I've tried, anyway).
https://archive.ph/
Magic, ta. To the Gerrard thread I go.
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I reckon the the win on Saturday was massive in terms of making us look like a feasible project and not a complete basket case. We owe Danks huge thanks for that, he earned his salary in one week as far as I'm concerned.
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Fabrizio Romano saying it is expected to happen
Feels like a proper appointment if true.
As risso said, hell turn out to be shite and well all be saying that we should have appointed Dyche or whoever takes over at wolves
Romano doesn't post it unless it's a certainty. He's a tap-in merchant.
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I reckon the the win on Saturday was massive in terms of making us look like a feasible project and not a complete basket case. We owe Danks huge thanks for that, he earned his salary in one week as far as I'm concerned.
Indeed
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Looks done this. Excellent.
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I reckon the the win on Saturday was massive in terms of making us look like a feasible project and not a complete basket case. We owe Danks huge thanks for that, he earned his salary in one week as far as I'm concerned.
Yep, best Bluenose ever.
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This does look top ambition from the owners to me. Exiting times if true / comes through.
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The ‘biggest thinking’ appointment since Atkinson.
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Seems a done deal TBC tomorrow according to a few Twitter sources.
I have a good feeling about this.
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Please please please please please please.
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This really looks like it is happening. Superb.
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If appointed, one would imagine that Emery would be wanting to prove a point or two from managing n the Premier League, which might be able to be nicely accomplished by getting us into an end of season league place above Arsenal within the not too distant future. Which would do for me, given Arsenal's current trajectory.
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Thank you Mr. Sawiris.
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If, and I'm sticking to if for now, we pull this off it underlines that there's more than just talk about ambition at the club.
Should have done similar 12 months ago mind.
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Some good advice below if he comes. And if he doesn't.
Luis Miguel Echegaray
@lmechegaray
I am also asking any Villa fan to please not fall into the “good ebening” jokes. As someone who watched his father often be belittled in England because of his accent, it feels ignorant & xenophobic.
Also, if you only speak one language…you really need to sit this one down
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1584577553100001280
Indeed - I always it pathetic when people mock that sort of thing.
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I had heard a slight sniff this morning that he was no1 target and it was looking like today was going to be the day that we found out more. I didn’t want to say much because these things often go wrong.
But now I can say that it feels like this is genuinely happening.
I am very hopeful that we’re about to witness a glorious revolution in terms of who we are and what we play. This is a statement in it’s own right - now we just need our other statement signings to get fit again.
Let the good times roll.
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I think this is great news, one because of his calibre, and two hes not going to come here if we are not willing to back him
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I agree with others, this is a really good appointment if it comes off. He knows how to win and I'd like to think the spell at Arsenal was just a blip and he was trying to ruin the tarquin feckers. Good pedigree and keep the club up there in terms of his media attraction as he's a manager to be reckoned with from a reputation point of view. If both Percy and Romano are saying it, that's good enough for me. Give him a few quid in the window.
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Yep sounds like its done a 3 year contract with an option for a further year. Very happy with this its the sort of appointment that we would have loved but we perhaps thought we weren't able to pull off.
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Some good advice below if he comes. And if he doesn't.
Luis Miguel Echegaray
@lmechegaray
I am also asking any Villa fan to please not fall into the “good ebening” jokes. As someone who watched his father often be belittled in England because of his accent, it feels ignorant & xenophobic.
Also, if you only speak one language…you really need to sit this one down
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1584577553100001280
Indeed - I always it pathetic when people mock that sort of thing.
Let's hope he's soon pissing our way.
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Emery had a 55.1% win percentage at Arsenal.
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We were supposed to be grateful for Gerrard, I would be grateful for Emery.
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this is a manager with pedigree.
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Emery for me
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Me and my German friends have a game where we try to get each other to trip over pronunciation. They struggle with “Squirrel” and I struggle with… virtually every German word. Particular favourites are Schachtellaufwerk (wheels on a tank!), Streichholzschachtel (box of matches), Kreuzschlitzschraubenzieher (Screwdriver) and Eichhörnchen (which is also German for Squirrel)
What I take from this is (apart from Squirrels being unpronounceable in other language than your mother tongue!) is that it’s too easy for those we shouldn’t pass judgement on those who try to speak other languages
So yeah. No “bants” from me on how he speaks…
I’m off to consider “Squirrel” in a number of different languages now
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I tell you what if this gets done then those questioning the owners ambition can eat some humble pie.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Had hoped it would be him at first but realised that he might be divisive appointment plus he turned us down anyway.
Would be very happy with Emery if it confirmed. Top class manager and looks like it's been done with a minimum of fuss.
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Emery for me
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Didn't you say your money would be on Frank or Rodgers?
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Me and my German friends have a game where we try to get each other to trip over pronunciation. They struggle with “Squirrel” and I struggle with… virtually every German word. Particular favourites are Schachtellaufwerk (wheels on a tank!), Streichholzschachtel (box of matches), Kreuzschlitzschraubenzieher (Screwdriver) and Eichhörnchen (which is also German for Squirrel)
What I take from this is (apart from Squirrels being unpronounceable in other language than your mother tongue!) is that it’s too easy for those we shouldn’t pass judgement on those who try to speak other languages
So yeah. No “bants” from me on how he speaks…
I’m off to consider “Squirrel” in a number of different languages now
What sort of screwdriver?
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Considering we haven't had a sniff of European football in well over ten years, getting a coach of Emery's pedigree is a massive coup. Totally different league to Gerrard, just a shame we didn't go for him a year ago.
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Some good advice below if he comes. And if he doesn't.
Luis Miguel Echegaray
@lmechegaray
I am also asking any Villa fan to please not fall into the “good ebening” jokes. As someone who watched his father often be belittled in England because of his accent, it feels ignorant & xenophobic.
Also, if you only speak one language…you really need to sit this one down
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1584577553100001280
Indeed - I always it pathetic when people mock that sort of thing.
Let's hope he's soon pissing our way.
Yeah agreed. It always annoyed me the way people were talking the piss out of the way Roy Hodgson spoke when he spoke 6 languages I believe.
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Guillem Balague@GuillemBalague
Unai Emery to #AstonVilla (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AstonVilla?src=hashtag_click) practically done All afternoon of negotiations going "very well" Villarreal players think he is gone We are at the "99.9%" stage He wanted a new chance in the PL What a top top manager Villa are getting!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/1584614065783336961
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They have cancelled the betting on next manager on Sky bet......it's definitely happening! 😀
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Me and my German friends have a game where we try to get each other to trip over pronunciation. They struggle with “Squirrel” and I struggle with… virtually every German word. Particular favourites are Schachtellaufwerk (wheels on a tank!), Streichholzschachtel (box of matches), Kreuzschlitzschraubenzieher (Screwdriver) and Eichhörnchen (which is also German for Squirrel)
What I take from this is (apart from Squirrels being unpronounceable in other language than your mother tongue!) is that it’s too easy for those we shouldn’t pass judgement on those who try to speak other languages
So yeah. No “bants” from me on how he speaks…
I’m off to consider “Squirrel” in a number of different languages now
What sort of screwdriver?
I reckon it’s what I’d call a “Phillips” one. Kreuz being German for “cross”. Mind you, I’d be cross if I had to ask for one of those each time I needed one.
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I had heard a slight sniff this morning that he was no1 target and it was looking like today was going to be the day that we found out more. I didn’t want to say much because these things often go wrong.
But now I can say that it feels like this is genuinely happening.
Having 'Villa' in our name was likely a big draw and now 1/10, 1/20 with the two bookies that are still offering prices.
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https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1584614794031529984?s=46&t=Pp4rlGx2zIUvSaj-nFu8qg
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Emery wouldn't come here unless he has guaranteed transfer funds, so that's another massive plus
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Same here, I’d use nails.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Had hoped it would be him at first but realised that he might be divisive appointment plus he turned us down anyway.
Why would he have been a divisive appointment?
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Had hoped it would be him at first but realised that he might be divisive appointment plus he turned us down anyway.
Why would he have been a divisive appointment?
Has he a Blues connection lol
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It all sounds very promising and certainly less risky than the last appointment. I think we'll have a bit more patience with him considering his past record. He also has a high enough profile to attract decent players.
Fingers crossed on this one.
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Emery wouldn't come here unless he has guaranteed transfer funds, so that's another massive plus
Yep. It is the sort of appointment only a really ambitious club that is willing to put its money where its mouth is could make.
Or Unai is really gullible...
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Great appointment, assuming we finalise it.
Shows our owners are still fully committed and Gerrard was a Purslow inspired blip. This is what we should've been doing 12 months ago.
He clearly hasn't come here to piss around lower mid table.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Had hoped it would be him at first but realised that he might be divisive appointment plus he turned us down anyway.
Why would he have been a divisive appointment?
I looked at his record and realised that in 13 years as a manager he'd won less than St Johnstone in the same period. ;)
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If, and I'm sticking to if for now, we pull this off it underlines that there's more than just talk about ambition at the club.
Should have done similar 12 months ago mind.
I think the club saw Gerrard as being ambitious, on here we were quite grounded about it and not many (if any) fell for the starfucking aspect of signing someone with such a big reputation as a player but in the broader football world that was different. I had loads of people through work talking to me as if we'd pulled of a coup and managed to bring in a guy who was destined to be 'the next big thing' in English football.
As it is we were right and, at best, he ran before he could walk, showing everyone that he was nowhere near ready for such a big job, especially when he lost his main coach.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Agreed. I don’t think he’s reading the room(s) enough when he’s been rejected over the last year by Man Utd, Tottenham, Real Madrid, etc.
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Looks like it will be Emery. He's an experienced and successful manager that (presumably) would not be coming unless he is convinced that the owners are serious about what they want to achieve.
Plus he turned down Noocassel, so if it is confirmed before Saturday that makes the game even more interesting - it would be sweet to beat them at their place with Emery in our dugout.
The deal still to be done, though. UTV
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Is he Basque?
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Emery for me
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Hope you made a few quid??
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This is my Arsenal supporting pals take on Emery:
Well, for me the jury was out on Emery's time at Arsenal. He got a bit of a poisoned chalice post Wenger, with awful management above him in a power vacuum after Wenger's departure. He's viewed as meticulous a bit like Bielsa (but nothing like him), boring players to death with video analysis of themselves and opposition. Was seen as too reactive/a tinkerer, rather than stamping an identity. His communication was pretty bad, not the best grasp of English, so was a bit of an easy target for mockery as some of his pressers were unintelligible. But he's done really well with Spanish teams that are mid-table type teams, definitely getting them punching above their weight. Failed at PSG and Arsenal. I was happy to see him go in the end.
Also he is seen as a Europa League specialist! Completely weird, that. The idea a manager could be 'good' at only a certain competition.
It was at a time when he was brought in as a 'coach' and there was some experimenting with a Director of Football type role.
So people he brought in were arguably not 100% his people. The example of this that is brought up the most often is Pepe for 72m when he wanted Zaha.
This is seen as an exonerating factor.
Also on his watch were some awful signings though - over the hill big names. David Luiz. Leichtsteiner. And a lot of 'nearly good enough but not quite.
Most of whom now have been moved on e.g. Guendouzi, Torrera.
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Some good advice below if he comes. And if he doesn't.
Luis Miguel Echegaray
@lmechegaray
I am also asking any Villa fan to please not fall into the “good ebening” jokes. As someone who watched his father often be belittled in England because of his accent, it feels ignorant & xenophobic.
Also, if you only speak one language…you really need to sit this one down
https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1584577553100001280
Indeed - I always it pathetic when people mock that sort of thing.
Let's hope he's soon pissing our way.
Yeah agreed. It always annoyed me the way people were talking the piss out of the way Roy Hodgson spoke when he spoke 6 languages I believe.
Except for Schteve Mclaren, when FC Twente boss,answering questions in English Shades of 'Allo,Allo' and 'inspector Clouseau transfered to the Netherlands.
Very,very excited about Emery.
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Had hoped it would be him at first but realised that he might be divisive appointment plus he turned us down anyway.
Why would he have been a divisive appointment?
I looked at his record and realised that in 13 years as a manager he'd won less than St Johnstone in the same period. ;)
Oh, so literally no reason at all then.
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Is he Basque?
Yes. From Hondarabbia. along the coast from San Sebastian. Same place as Olazabal. A starting point for the Camino Del Norte.
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I've got a semi on
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Unai Emery’s claret and blue army has a ring to it
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Poch is going to have to watch himself. The next big thing can quickly become yesterday's man if he gets too picky.
Agreed. I don’t think he’s reading the room(s) enough when he’s been rejected over the last year by Man Utd, Tottenham, Real Madrid, etc.
Pochettino will be scrambling around managing some shite like San Antonio Astro Scorpions, Guangzhou Lucky Dragons or West Bromwich Albion in ten years. Bottling shitebag.
(I will, of course, retract this if there is a massive Trussian U-turn and he's Villa manager this time next week)
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Darren Bent thinks a good move, so Im sold
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Sky Sports reporting it now too as being “close”
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This is my Arsenal supporting pals take on Emery:
Well, for me the jury was out on Emery's time at Arsenal. He got a bit of a poisoned chalice post Wenger, with awful management above him in a power vacuum after Wenger's departure. He's viewed as meticulous a bit like Bielsa (but nothing like him), boring players to death with video analysis of themselves and opposition. Was seen as too reactive/a tinkerer, rather than stamping an identity. His communication was pretty bad, not the best grasp of English, so was a bit of an easy target for mockery as some of his pressers were unintelligible. But he's done really well with Spanish teams that are mid-table type teams, definitely getting them punching above their weight. Failed at PSG and Arsenal. I was happy to see him go in the end.
Also he is seen as a Europa League specialist! Completely weird, that. The idea a manager could be 'good' at only a certain competition.
It was at a time when he was brought in as a 'coach' and there was some experimenting with a Director of Football type role.
So people he brought in were arguably not 100% his people. The example of this that is brought up the most often is Pepe for 72m when he wanted Zaha.
This is seen as an exonerating factor.
Also on his watch were some awful signings though - over the hill big names. David Luiz. Leichtsteiner. And a lot of 'nearly good enough but not quite.
Most of whom now have been moved on e.g. Guendouzi, Torrera.
Thanks for that
Meticulous Is the word I like that’s what you get with foreign managers not the old British pull your socks up shit
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Confirmed
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1584621699294797827?s=20&t=WLjl8vbvwI0L24gfNZwWwQ
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Deal done according to son,on Villa website
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I don't trust anything an Arsenal or PSG supporter has to say about him.
Arsenal finished 5th (one point off Spurs and two points off Chelsea) and were Europa League Runners Up in a year which that club completely cannibalized itself. Other clubs' supporters were beginning to watch AFTV as comedic relief to point and laugh at how ridiculous and deluded they were. They wanted Arteta's head on a stick and now they are all eating crow.
..and PSG is PSG. No one cares.
I, for one, am ecstatic with the appointment. Finally a manager that doesn't have any question marks when it comes to his quality.
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Emery! Get in!
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I didn’t suggest Emery from nowhere 😘
Top draw appointment. Glad we got it done. He’s gonna be backed in the windows as well
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Surely an excellent appointment
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce the appointment of Unai Emery as the club’s new Head Coach.
Unai joins from Villarreal, whom he led to Europa League success by beating Manchester United in the final in 2021 as well as the semi-finals of the Champions League last season.
A highly experienced top level coach who has managed over 900 games, Unai has also previously managed in the Premier League during a spell with Arsenal, leading the Gunners to a Europa League final.
He has also enjoyed notable success at Sevilla and at Paris Saint Germain. In Seville, he won three successive Europa League titles between 2013 and 2016 before going on to lift a Ligue 1 championship in France as well as two French Cups, two French League Cups and two Trophée des Champions.
Unai will take over from November 1st after his work permit formalities are completed.
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Does this mean the project is back on track?
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This seems like a good appointment. Anybody know how he likes to set his teams up?
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In before the lock
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quick
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Unai Emery’s claret and blue army has a ring to it
Claret and Blue Emery