Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace Post-Match Thread

[danno]

We looked better after the subs, although Id play Nakamba over Douglas. Less said about the first half the better.

[Taylor]

The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.

No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.

Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.

And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.

Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??

[Ian.]

He made the mistake of not mixing it up after a very good performance the other night. We looked lethargic and our energy levels were not good enough. Maybe he needs to trust his squad a little bit more and make tweaks even after a good game.

[rougegorge]

We certainly didn't show the intensity or drive that we did against Liverpool. I can't believe the players are tired though, or they shouldn't be, at this level. It's not been an arduous season and they are all highly paid professional athletes.

We only really got going with any vigour in the last 10 minutes. Easy after the event I know, but we needed the pace of Ramsey and the skill of Buendía on much earlier today.

Both teams were average at best, and Palace rarely threatened after the break, and having taken the lead it was some typical slack defending that cost us.

[Allan C]

What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.

I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season

His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful.   This group of players is underperforming.   We only beat shit teams.  Our home form is disgraceful.    The football has generally regressed under him.   

I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money

It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics.  So you have lost your own arguement there.  So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do.  There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.

Not really, Gerrard is currently using predominantly Smiths players, the very same players that “underperformed” for Smith. Maybe therefore it’s the players??I’ve no idea why Buendia was left out but we don’t see what happens at BH during the week. I’ve seen enough so far to suggest that SG will take us to the next level but he needs the players to do that

[TonyD]

What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.

I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season

His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful.   This group of players is underperforming.   We only beat shit teams.  Our home form is disgraceful.    The football has generally regressed under him.   

I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money

It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics.  So you have lost your own arguement there.  So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do.  There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.

Not really, Gerrard is currently using predominantly Smiths players, the very same players that “underperformed” for Smith. Maybe therefore it’s the players??I’ve no idea why Buendia was left out but we don’t see what happens at BH during the week. I’ve seen enough so far to suggest that SG will take us to the next level but he needs the players to do that

What have you seen on the pitch to form this opinion?

[Goldenballs]

The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.

No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.

Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.

And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.

Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??

Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.

[Behind Bluenose Lines]

Typical mid-table game with neither team having anything to play for. Our first half was dreadful!

Loved the celebrations for the 1982 team, especially their lap of honour at half-time. Loved Gary Shaw kissing the ground in front of the Holte. Sad that some of the people involved are no longer with us to have joined in.

[ChicagoLion]

It should b easier to get Buendia and Phil playing together effectively than Ings and Watkins.
But he ignores the former and persists with the latter.

[Footy-Vill]

The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.

No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.

Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.

And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.

Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??

Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.

But that's been Phillipe since he left Liverpool. Undoubtedly quality but doesn't really consistently show the levels if he did he would have lit up Barca and would be there still.
Probably have to accept that's how this guy is.
Like Bale of today and how he won't reach his peak levels but PC better though and should be showing more next season but won't be the levels SG probably knew him as. Hoping he's a match winner for us and raised levels as he's a top quality player.

[Footy-Vill]

It should b easier to get Buendia and Phil playing together effectively than Ings and Watkins.
But he ignores the former and persists with the latter.

I'd worry about defensive set plays if playing those 2 though and sure one of reasons SG doesn't play both.

[Goldenballs]

The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.

No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.

Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.

And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.

Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??

Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.

But that's been Phillipe since he left Liverpool. Undoubtedly quality but doesn't really consistently show the levels if he did he would have lit up Barca and would be there still.
Probably have to accept that's how this guy is.
Like Bale of today and how he won't reach his peak levels but PC better though and should be showing more next season but won't be the levels SG probably knew him as. Hoping he's a match winner for us and raised levels as he's a top quality player.

He's clearly still got as we saw when he first came in, he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch. His form has dropped off though, whether that's through tiredness or whatever.

I'm sure he'll be great next season, but Buendia should be in the team. Whether that's alongside him or instead of him, I don't really mind.

[Villafirst]

SG has already said Philippe is still not fully up to speed. A good pre-season is needed and he'll be more settled now his future is decided with a 4 year contract.

[eamonn]

SG shouldn't have picked the same eleven as the Liverpool game. After a hard fought match against Liverpool on Tuesday, the players looked leggy and slow. Palace had no midweek game, so they looked sharper and fresher. Why didn't he start with Buendia and Ramsey? They can drive and get past defenders. Konsa looked poor before he got injured. Once Chambers, Buendia and Ramsey came on we looked more incisive with quick passing and movement. I thought for their equaliser our marking was a bit sloppy. A poor day overall.

The players had 5 nights kip between the Liverpool game and today. If that's too much for them, God help them if we ever reach the Europa League land of honey and have to do Thursday night-early Sunday afternoon six to twelve times a season. And if they are leggy, Gerrard has an army of staff around him to tell him who is flagging, we've got a big enough squad where only very are untouchable/irreplaceable.

Buendia doesn't deserve to be benched but he is the one player who consistently looks bright coming on as a sub. Maybe Gerrard feels that's an important asset to have if Coutinho is a guaranteed starter for the next four years now that the perm. contract has been signed.

[brontebilly]

Yawn.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12614028/aston-villa-1-1-crystal-palace-premier-league-highlights

Didn't see game today but our strikers missed three big chances on that clip.