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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on May 15, 2022, 04:17:35 PM
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Meh!
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Nakamba the pick of the midfield by a country mile
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Today really just showed we're not good enough at both ends.
Decent opening period and then an hour where we barely created anything.
Then we scored a goal out of little and couldn't hold onto a 1-0 at home to another mid table team.
Fair to say it's a big summer ahead. Simply have to get the key positions right for once and then we can have a proper go when you see the state Wolves are in (they've been top 10 pretty much all season) so massively disappointing if we can't finish above them next year.
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Don’t think it was a bad result - considering we weren’t great - feels like the kind of game we would have lost not soo long ago
Thought Ings was poor today - as he missed two good chances - and he didn’t really do any linkup
Thought PC got drawn too deep too often and we gave the ball away. McGinn Luiz and Naka are capable of having good games but thought Nakamba and Luiz weren’t great
Thought chambers was an improvement on Konsa
Overall looked jaded in the final third - although JJ and Emi improved us
Thought we defended pretty well
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
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Mind numbingly boring football.
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Sounded like too many typical Villa Park games of my time watching Villa. Mediocre.
A world away from the corresponding game last season. 3-0 winners despite being down to 10 men for more than half the game. Some wonderful goals and football. Palace have improved, we've regressed and we'll probably finish 12th or 13th now.
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Zaha is an absolute disgrace of a footballer.
New players needed in the summer. Luiz is definitely not staying. I can't see ant PL team above us needing him.
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So poor today. Just never know what to expect from Villa at the moment. Either very good or simply poor. Neither team deserved to win. Wouldn't be surprised if Burnley turned us over.
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2 shots on target all game is piss poor.
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Swimsuits, buckets and spades out in force today and Palace weren’t much better. 90 minutes of life you won’t get back and nothing much to glean from it, I’d wager.
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Really not good enough. We look as if we are playing a system but without the players to do it. Big change round required.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
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Swimsuits, buckets and spades out in force today and Palace weren’t much better. 90 minutes of life you won’t get back and nothing much to glean from it, I’d wager.
I thought Palace were excellent. Stronger than us, quicker than us, better on the ball.
I was also quite impressed by Zaha encouraging VP to turn up the booing of him. He seemed to enjoy it, so fair play.
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Not seeing Coutinho fitting into the defensive midfield role.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
Probably a bit if both. But SG needs a summer to shape his squad
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Pat Murphy was back to his ''never having anything nice to say about the Villa" when he covers us for 5Live. He has that annoying tendency to come to an early conclusion on a game and how both teams have played when there's still plenty of time left.
I respect him as someone who is forthright and gets to the point with his reporting but I wise he covered our games less and covered all of our pre/post-match conferences instead. He'd ask Gerrard blunt and searching questions instead of the easy, generic shite that gets thrown at him every Thursday by the unimaginative, meek lot of Hale, Toss, Dorsett et al.
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The handful of times we actually played some football, we looked decent. Overall, Palace were the better side though. As always Buendia was the one who got us playing. We looked pretty toothless though.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
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Absolute chalk and cheese compared with Tuesday night.
Was it only a few days ago we went toe to toe with one of he best teams on the planet ?
Tuesday was full of pace, passion, fight, desire and quality.
Today was pedestrian, lethargic and devoid of any quality whatsoever.
I guess that’s the definition of an inconsistent team.
We need to be better, much better.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
And your back, but this time after we’ve drawn, which is scraping the barrel really. You were very quiet after Burnley and Liverpool.
It was a pretty dull mid table end of season affair, but thought there were some green shoots. Full backs are both very good. I thought McGinn battled away and Beundia and Ramsey added energy when they came on.
Coutinhio was everywhere and we were relying to much on him, we needed to give Palace something else to think about which happened when Beundia came on.
Ings has missed far too many chances in last few weeks and needs to be a squad player. Saying that Watkins has to score that chance at the end, thats the difference with the top strikers like Son, Ollie will either get better next year or he wont. The difference between Ollie and Ings, is Watkins works the defensive line all game every game.
Going forwards next season a nee dynamic CDM with Mcginn and Ramsey as midfield runners and Emi2 and Coutinhio pulling strings behind a lone Watkins/or another and we’ll do ok.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
Nah, it hasn't regressed. We're as bang average as we were before. We haven't really improved either though to be fair.
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Can’t see the logic in playing Luiz if Dougie starts whilst Buendia twiddles his fingers on the bench.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
Nah, it hasn't regressed. We're as bang average as we were before. We haven't really improved either though to be fair.
On our day we actually beat top teams. Now we don’t. I’d class that as regression.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
Nah, it hasn't regressed. We're as bang average as we were before. We haven't really improved either though to be fair.
On our day we actually beat top teams. Now we don’t. I’d class that as regression.
Not this season we didn't.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
I agree with this, largely.
However, if this group of players isn't good enough to get us any higher, can we really say that SG is getting the best out of them?
I don't think we can.
We are incredibly inconsistent. He needs backing and the time over the summer to get the squad looking more like he wants it to look, and he's still basically playing here with what he inherited halfway through the season.
However, it's hard to say he's getting the best out of what he has when he keeps leaving our best player on the bench, and playing both Watkins and Ings on the basis that it's looked good for about an hour all season.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
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Scrappy game but I thought Palace were pretty decent to be fair. Big team who play decent football.
1-1 a fair result.
Highlight of the day was applauding the 82 European Cup winners.
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Zaha is a see you next Tuesday.
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So we need a minimum of 4 points to have any chance of finishing in the top half, not looking too promising.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money
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That was as rubbish as all other rubbish performances. I don’t how Watliks/Ings combo could work and he keeps leaving Buendia out of team and team always looks worse for it. We were lucky to get a point today. A very frustrating afternoon.
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Not seeing Coutinho fitting into the defensive midfield role.
😂😂😂.
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Palace are a strong, physical side - not easy to play against. We looked quite a bit smaller in most areas of the pitch and couldn’t find the space to get Coutinho on the ball closer to their goal - he came too deep as a result.
We only really came to life after Buendia came on and probably should have nicked it in the end.
His big challenge next season will be to find a shape to the get them both in the side.
The guard of honour given to the European cup heroes and the thousands of flags was a grit in the eye moment.
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Pretty turgid stuff at times today. Marv got about well again, but still gave his obligatory couple of sloppy passes in very dangerous areas. Luiz and Ings well off the pace and should have come off earlier in Ings's case.
Buendia looked lively again when he came on.
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That was as rubbish as all other rubbish performances. I don’t how Watliks/Ings combo could work and he keeps leaving Buendia out of team and team always looks worse for it. We were lucky to get a point today. A very frustrating afternoon.
That's a fair and accurate assessment.
And reason why this season can't end soon enough and hope rather than expectations that be less performance like that next season if only due to the supposed sweeping summer changes coming.
2 matches now remain against lowly and lofty opposition and we can't really be sure what will happen though if predictable a win and a loss.
Up the Villa!
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Yawn.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12614028/aston-villa-1-1-crystal-palace-premier-league-highlights
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money
It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics. So you have lost your own arguement there. So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do. There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.
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Pretty turgid stuff at times today. Marv got about well again, but still gave his obligatory couple of sloppy passes in very dangerous areas. Luiz and Ings well off the pace and should have come off earlier in Ings's case.
Buendia looked lively again when he came on.
These comments could be a copy and paste job for other performances this season and possibly used for our last 2 remaining matches also for playing out the season despite Gerrards bravado of next season platforms and playing for future. Feel some players are lost already or know.
Buendia has to be given game time for Thursday and at least Ramsey back now these are the players we can be excited about at least
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Seeing Coutinho picking the ball up 5 yds outside our own box tells you all you need to know. Very poor, lacklustre, subs came too late, Palace looked the better and fitter team.
Gerrard has a lot to do, lets hope he’s up to the task
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And why aren't likes of Chukwuemeka and Iroegbunam getting match minutes today?
I think vs Burnley one or both should be getting starts if not 20 minutes or a half of football.
Can't see that SG is saving them for Man City for the experience though Chukwuemeka gets the match minutes against the higher placed teams , 'call me Tim' more likely to play at home (like v lowly Norwich) vs Burnley.
Think have to look to future and next season now in all honesty.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.
And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.
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SG shouldn't have picked the same eleven as the Liverpool game. After a hard fought match against Liverpool on Tuesday, the players looked leggy and slow. Palace had no midweek game, so they looked sharper and fresher. Why didn't he start with Buendia and Ramsey? They can drive and get past defenders. Konsa looked poor before he got injured. Once Chambers, Buendia and Ramsey came on we looked more incisive with quick passing and movement. I thought for their equaliser our marking was a bit sloppy. A poor day overall.
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Tremendous scenes pre-game.
Disappointed as I was expecting the win today.
11 goals from Ollie in a meh season. Took his goal well. This lad will fire again next season.
Ings wasteful. Buendia creative. Why is he not starting games?
Home form still remains a concern. Our manager will need to ensure this improves from the off next season.
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We looked better after the subs, although Id play Nakamba over Douglas. Less said about the first half the better.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.
And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.
Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??
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He made the mistake of not mixing it up after a very good performance the other night. We looked lethargic and our energy levels were not good enough. Maybe he needs to trust his squad a little bit more and make tweaks even after a good game.
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We certainly didn't show the intensity or drive that we did against Liverpool. I can't believe the players are tired though, or they shouldn't be, at this level. It's not been an arduous season and they are all highly paid professional athletes.
We only really got going with any vigour in the last 10 minutes. Easy after the event I know, but we needed the pace of Ramsey and the skill of Buendía on much earlier today.
Both teams were average at best, and Palace rarely threatened after the break, and having taken the lead it was some typical slack defending that cost us.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money
It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics. So you have lost your own arguement there. So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do. There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.
Not really, Gerrard is currently using predominantly Smiths players, the very same players that “underperformed” for Smith. Maybe therefore it’s the players??I’ve no idea why Buendia was left out but we don’t see what happens at BH during the week. I’ve seen enough so far to suggest that SG will take us to the next level but he needs the players to do that
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money
It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics. So you have lost your own arguement there. So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do. There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.
Not really, Gerrard is currently using predominantly Smiths players, the very same players that “underperformed” for Smith. Maybe therefore it’s the players??I’ve no idea why Buendia was left out but we don’t see what happens at BH during the week. I’ve seen enough so far to suggest that SG will take us to the next level but he needs the players to do that
What have you seen on the pitch to form this opinion?
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.
And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.
Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??
Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.
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Typical mid-table game with neither team having anything to play for. Our first half was dreadful!
Loved the celebrations for the 1982 team, especially their lap of honour at half-time. Loved Gary Shaw kissing the ground in front of the Holte. Sad that some of the people involved are no longer with us to have joined in.
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It should b easier to get Buendia and Phil playing together effectively than Ings and Watkins.
But he ignores the former and persists with the latter.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.
And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.
Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??
Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.
But that's been Phillipe since he left Liverpool. Undoubtedly quality but doesn't really consistently show the levels if he did he would have lit up Barca and would be there still.
Probably have to accept that's how this guy is.
Like Bale of today and how he won't reach his peak levels but PC better though and should be showing more next season but won't be the levels SG probably knew him as. Hoping he's a match winner for us and raised levels as he's a top quality player.
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It should b easier to get Buendia and Phil playing together effectively than Ings and Watkins.
But he ignores the former and persists with the latter.
I'd worry about defensive set plays if playing those 2 though and sure one of reasons SG doesn't play both.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Gerrard seems to say they can. He shouldn't be rewarded with a spot for signing a contract, players should be picked on form. Buendia is in form, Coutinho isn't.
And I'm as delighted as the rest of us with him signing, but he's completely out of form.
Is Coutinho “completely” out of form??
Yeah I think so, no goals or assists in the last 9 games I think.
But that's been Phillipe since he left Liverpool. Undoubtedly quality but doesn't really consistently show the levels if he did he would have lit up Barca and would be there still.
Probably have to accept that's how this guy is.
Like Bale of today and how he won't reach his peak levels but PC better though and should be showing more next season but won't be the levels SG probably knew him as. Hoping he's a match winner for us and raised levels as he's a top quality player.
He's clearly still got as we saw when he first came in, he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch. His form has dropped off though, whether that's through tiredness or whatever.
I'm sure he'll be great next season, but Buendia should be in the team. Whether that's alongside him or instead of him, I don't really mind.
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SG has already said Philippe is still not fully up to speed. A good pre-season is needed and he'll be more settled now his future is decided with a 4 year contract.
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SG shouldn't have picked the same eleven as the Liverpool game. After a hard fought match against Liverpool on Tuesday, the players looked leggy and slow. Palace had no midweek game, so they looked sharper and fresher. Why didn't he start with Buendia and Ramsey? They can drive and get past defenders. Konsa looked poor before he got injured. Once Chambers, Buendia and Ramsey came on we looked more incisive with quick passing and movement. I thought for their equaliser our marking was a bit sloppy. A poor day overall.
The players had 5 nights kip between the Liverpool game and today. If that's too much for them, God help them if we ever reach the Europa League land of honey and have to do Thursday night-early Sunday afternoon six to twelve times a season. And if they are leggy, Gerrard has an army of staff around him to tell him who is flagging, we've got a big enough squad where only very are untouchable/irreplaceable.
Buendia doesn't deserve to be benched but he is the one player who consistently looks bright coming on as a sub. Maybe Gerrard feels that's an important asset to have if Coutinho is a guaranteed starter for the next four years now that the perm. contract has been signed.
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Yawn.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/12614028/aston-villa-1-1-crystal-palace-premier-league-highlights
Didn't see game today but our strikers missed three big chances on that clip.
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Thought we lacked zip and energy, they looked better in possession and sharper, first to most loose balls but we had most of the best chances.
About a fair result I reckon. I’m struggling to think of a player I dislike as much as Zaha. What an utter, fuckin fanny.
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Ok, you have given an explanation, a pretty piss poor one IMO.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
My worry is Gerrard gets a lot of money and gets to spend bucketloads on higher wages and incrementally improves us as per MON
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The continual dropping of Buendia is inexplicable.
No it’s not. PC and buendia don’t work in the same team. Coutinho has just signed, so was rewarded with a first team spot. It’s unfortunate for Emi but not inexplicable. We aim to be top team, top teams have a strong squad with players missing out.
Ok, you have given an explanation, a pretty piss poor one IMO.
I personally thought it was fair enough. Would still prefer to see Buendia start at the moment. Perhaps Gerrard is saving him for the Burnley game in the week?
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He’ll start in place of Ings for Burnley I would think.
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Buendia is a good little player but he’s understudy to Phil. Even though Phil hasn’t hit the heights in every game (particularly the last half a dozen or so) he’s a world class player when fully fit and settled and we have to believe he will be that good next season so we need to keep giving him game time now to give him the best chance of showing what he can do.
Personally I like the number 10 in behind 2 strikers so I’m quite happy for him to keep playing that way, again in preparation for next season and not try to shoe horn 2 numbers 10s into the team right now just because form wise it looks like a better idea at the moment.
We have the ‘number 10’ position nailed with those 2. What we need to do in the summer is spend big on 2 more centre forwards to challenge the 2 we have plus get Archer back as the up and coming option.
We need to get 2 new centre mids in to go with Luiz, Nakamba, McGinn and Ramsey plus keep either Tim or Chucky as the youth option and loan the other out, and we need a top class centre back to come in and get Targett back. I think that squad would have a real chance of European qualification.
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I have been critical of SG, but don't think he did too much wrong today
It was pretty dull - another game where our lack of ability to retain possession.
I think we lack physicality and energy - we looked better with emi and JJ on. Nakamba fine but cant pass for shit
He was always going to start Phil, but he had to come too deep, which I think is due to:
1) our midfield being a bit shit today
b) Our forward line being a bit shit today
iv) Palace coming with a setup aimed at the way we play
Ings should have scored a couple times today - and Watkins had a chance late on which considering we were bang average for most of the game its good to have had the 3 best chances
I think I see signs of us improving. I think a few signing, a pre-season and some of our players not being hopelessly out of form will help
SG has big challanges ahead, and well see what he is made of - but for me he has done enough for me to be excited about what happens next
I see this last couple of weeks as him learning to make us hard to beat
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
His team selections, formation and game management are dreadful. This group of players is underperforming. We only beat shit teams. Our home form is disgraceful. The football has generally regressed under him.
I disagree with just about everything you’ve said. SG sets the formation. It’s up to the players to carry it out on the pitch. All the other points are down to the majority of players not being good enough. Like I said, if you want more of the same next season and hope that the squad start performing, don’t give him any money
It is always the managers’ fault if the players play poorly due to the manager’s setup and tactics. So you have lost your own arguement there. So you must also think that leaving Buendia on the bench is also the right thing to do. There is nothing much so far to suggest that Gerrard is going to be a success apart from blind faith.
Not really, Gerrard is currently using predominantly Smiths players, the very same players that “underperformed” for Smith. Maybe therefore it’s the players??I’ve no idea why Buendia was left out but we don’t see what happens at BH during the week. I’ve seen enough so far to suggest that SG will take us to the next level but he needs the players to do that
What have you seen on the pitch to form this opinion?
Probably seen stuff in the games we’ve played well in and win, but don’t seem to be on here as much then.
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Buendia is a good little player
Damned with faint praise
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Nakamba the pick of the midfield by a country mile
I hardly saw him.
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Nakamba the pick of the midfield by a country mile
I hardly saw him.
It.was.a.joke.
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Missed the first half because the train was late and when it did turn up it went straight through to four oaks, wasn't very impressed with the second half
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Main issue today was the poor ball retention coupled with a noticeable decline in running from Tuesday. You keep giving it away cheap, you're not going to build pressure.
Palace looked equally as ineffectual as us by and large. Zaha more a parody than a footballer.
Distribution from the back long and too central, midfield kept recycling it. Frustrating and lacking quality.
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Gave the ball away again.
A lot.
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A hell of a lot. Fatigue of the body and mind. Cash's completion stats must be woeful.
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Was Cash ball-watching instead of seeing to Schlupp when he crept in for the equaliser? Proper back-stick finish that Trezeguet would be proud of.
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Nakamba the pick of the midfield by a country mile
I hardly saw him.
It.was.a.joke.
Me.too.I.only.saw.the.last.25.minutes.
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We were ok in patches today. I thought McGinn was decent and rest ok. You can’t account for a proven premier league striker like Ings missing the chances he has done in the last two games. Needs to put at least one of those away.
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You game reading is spot on Ads. As usual.
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Palace comfortably the better side. Cut off our passing lines in the diamond formation, found spaces in front of our defence and the equalizer just felt inevitable. But we still created some good chances. Ings and Watkins unfortunately not clinical enough again. Digne’s ball for our goal was absolutely top quality. Thought McGinn (particularly in the first half) was good. At one point it felt like all we were doing was punting the ball long to Watkins. Long summer ahead.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
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Great trolling!
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling feeling fed up as usual
wow - hope no-one has mentioned to you about the queens jubliee :-)
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Was Cash ball-watching instead of seeing to Schlupp when he crept in for the equaliser? Proper back-stick finish that Trezeguet would be proud of.
Cash was off his game today. Possibly a bit crocked
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Great trolling!
Oh no not again!
Masterful trolling!
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Zaha is comedy gold. Worth the price of admission to see his antics and wonder what bizarreness he’s going to come up with next.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
I have to agree with this. Surely that money could have gone to securing a decent third choice goalkeeper? It's all very well signing Coutinho, but until we address this critical area, this club is going nowhere.
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The 50p each those plastic flags probably cost could have reduced everybody's match ticket price by about 3p a match. Dis-gray-suss!
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Disgraceful that Villa have the audacity to celebrate their finest moment in all of our lifetimes.
I'm amazed we didn't start hurling the plastic flag sticks in a Fatima Whitebread stylee at our heroes.
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Disgraceful that Villa have the audacity to celebrate their finest moment in all of our lifetimes.
I'm amazed we didn't start hurling the plastic flag sticks in a Fatima Whitebread stylee at our heroes.
Should have all boo'd like the Chelsea and Liverpool scum did yesterday to the most inoffensive bloke on the plant and to the national anthem. If that Peter With was any good, he'd have volleyed it properly.
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The match another damp squib.
But afterwards.... Joy.
(https://i.ibb.co/3MQsBfQ/PXL-20220515-151102872-PORTRAIT-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3MQsBfQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/jJGq4jB/PXL-20220515-151924019-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJGq4jB)
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Thought that was two well matched teams cancelling each other out - they are huge physically which we need a little bit more of this summer. We looked better once Ramsey and Buendia came on
The nonsense around Zaha is everything that is wrong with refereeing in this country…had he been gobbing off at a linesman in the way he was to the ref he would have been booked but that ref didn’t have the respect for himself to actually deal with it. He should have been booked and then if he continued crying he should have been given a 2nd yellow. I’m not big on the role model thing for off field stuff but how they behave on the pitch will be reflected by youngsters and not dealing with him tells kids that stropping, screaming and waving your arms is acceptable.
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Typical end of season game. I'm not concerned by the fluctuating performances, as personally I think there are little glimmers of something good on the horizon.
Barring a couple of players, this is still Dean Smith's squad, so let's get the summer window and preseason out of the way and then see what happens.
The biggest point for me, is even in the games where we're below par, the effort is still there. That's ALL I want to see... Quality will hopefully come with time. The amount of vitriol aimed at Watkins and Ings at times (both on here and at VP) is astounding - We have two England strikers in our front line?! Form will come, but calling for their heads will do nothing to help this.
People have short memories and should remember the days of Rudy Gestede, Ross McCormack and Jordan Bowery. Be careful what you wish for!
On another point, as much as loved Smith as our manager, we're a much more attractive prospect with Gerrard in charge. It's no surprise we've picked up again since the return of a semi-functioning Nakamba, so I think that whoever they get to fill that vacant DM spot in the summer will dictate where we go. Fix that problem, and I think we'll fly.
On today's performance - Thought McGinn looked lively today, barring a couple of 'Hollywood Bannan' type crossfield balls. Pretty stagnant in the middle until the introduction of Jacob and Buendia. Cash looked done at the end - Think he's the only ever present this season, and always puts in a solid display, so not surprised he's running on empty.
Wifried Zaha (or should that be 'Whining Wilfy'?) - Absolute cock of a player, with ideas very much above his station. Shame they got the equaliser as it would have been nice to send him home packing with nothing.
Onto Thursday... and more importantly SUNDAY! UTV!
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Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
I heard the post-match meal the European Cup winning team had together was a really sombre affair as, despite enjoying the deserved adulation of a full Villa Park, they realised they'd increased their carbon footprint.
5 courses though so they also left feeling fed up.
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Disgraceful that Villa have the audacity to celebrate their finest moment in all of our lifetimes.
I'm amazed we didn't start hurling the plastic flag sticks in a Fatima Whitebread stylee at our heroes.
I read somewhere they originally planned for the 82 team to give the current side a guard of honour. Glad that was kicked into touch. However thought that was a good idea ought to be potted
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Disgraceful that Villa have the audacity to celebrate their finest moment in all of our lifetimes.
I'm amazed we didn't start hurling the plastic flag sticks in a Fatima Whitebread stylee at our heroes.
I read somewhere they originally planned for the 82 team to give the current side a guard of honour. Glad that was kicked into touch. However thought that was a good idea ought to be potted
That is correct. Gerrard, to his credit, decided on the opposite.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
I think you’ve got your paragraphs mixed up. You should have finished with “Absolute tripe” to reflect your post better.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Although I realise you’re on the wind up in relation to the 40th Anniversary, I for one had a lump in my throat as these heroes of our club paraded the European Cup at half time. These blokes earned nothing like the players of today and you could see how genuinely happy they were that the club had arranged this. I waved my flag with pride and certainly didn’t feel fed up as I left.
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Coutinho although not at the top of his form is still a joy to watch for me
it’s the little things the basics if you like, the way he receives the ball controls it swishes and sways around with composure, he might only pass it a short distance but he just does the simple things with class, always looks in complete control of the ball and more often than not will give it to a C&B shirt even when pressured
yes he does get caught out at times but then he’s receiving the ball more than anyone else
I feel a bit sorry for people who just look at the stats on goals and assists and declare he offers nothing, if you can’t enjoy seeing a masterful footballer this might be the wrong sport for you, even if he didn’t pull any trees up today he was still a treat to watch
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I didn’t think it was as bad as some people are suggesting.
Unless you’re five, the world doesn’t have to be a binary divide between things being completely brilliant or completely shit.
We played quite well in parts, not so well in others.
The opposition are a team who are at pretty much exactly the same level as us this season, so a tight game and a draw is not entirely unexpected.
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I didn’t think it was as bad as some people are suggesting.
Unless you’re five, the world doesn’t have to be a binary divide between things being completely brilliant or completely shit.
We played quite well in parts, not so well in others.
The opposition are a team who are at pretty much exactly the same level as us this season, so a tight game and a draw is not entirely unexpected.
Good post. I like your double spacing.
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The match another damp squib.
But afterwards.... Joy.
(https://i.ibb.co/3MQsBfQ/PXL-20220515-151102872-PORTRAIT-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3MQsBfQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/jJGq4jB/PXL-20220515-151924019-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJGq4jB)
Great photos!!
Sid looks like he’s deteriorating unfortunately, maybe thats just the photo being deceiving.
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According to ITV news we won 1-0. Result!
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Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
I heard the post-match meal the European Cup winning team had together was a really sombre affair as, despite enjoying the deserved adulation of a full Villa Park, they realised they'd increased their carbon footprint.
5 courses though so they also left feeling fed up.
And so they should. I thought it was extremely excessive. The money spent today on that event could have been used to bring Jude Bellingham home to join our midfield next season.
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Great photos!!
Sid looks like he’s deteriorating unfortunately, maybe thats just the photo being deceiving.
Agreed, and sadly I thought exactly the same when I saw Sid.
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According to ITV news we won 1-0. Result!
I had a BBC notification on my phone that Ings had put us 1-0 up after 34 minutes, so we won 2-1. Yay!
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Great photos!!
Sid looks like he’s deteriorating unfortunately, maybe thats just the photo being deceiving.
Agreed, and sadly I thought exactly the same when I saw Sid.
He didn't really say anything to be honest, but the photo isn't deceiving at all. I felt the same.
My lad wouldn't have his photo taken, and didn't get the meaning of it all. However, he took the photos so all isn't so bad...
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Great photos!!
Sid looks like he’s deteriorating unfortunately, maybe thats just the photo being deceiving.
Agreed, and sadly I thought exactly the same when I saw Sid.
He didn't really say anything to be honest, but the photo isn't deceiving at all. I felt the same.
My lad wouldn't have his photo taken, and didn't get the meaning of it all. However, he took the photos so all isn't so bad...
Let's not dwell on this one.
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First half rubbish. Second much better. We were at our best after Buendia came on. He and PC work well in the same team.
Wilfred Zaha is a complete cockwomble. But we already knew that. Daughter off to taunt her Palace supporting friends on WhatsApp when we got home. Mostly about the cockwomble.
There was plenty to give hope there. But to say Luiz is a Brazil international tells me that Brazil are no longer the force they once were.
I enjoyed it. But I don't go very often and my last game was Watford so less said about that the better. The 40th anniversary stuff was fabulous. I remember watching Spink replacing Rimmer with horror as a 9 year old. Great to see even the Palace fans applauding them.
Oh and I liked the flags too. 🤣
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Looks like it's a toss up between us and Wolves who is gonna be last on MOTD.
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First half rubbish. Second much better. We were at our best after Buendia came on. He and PC work well in the same team.
Wilfred Zaha is a complete cockwomble. But we already knew that. Daughter off to taunt her Palace supporting friends on WhatsApp when we got home. Mostly about the cockwomble.
There was plenty to give hope there. But to say Luiz is a Brazil international tells me that Brazil are no longer the force they once were.
I enjoyed it. But I don't go very often and my last game was Watford so less said about that the better. The 40th anniversary stuff was fabulous. I remember watching Spink replacing Rimmer with horror as a 9 year old. Great to see even the Palace fans applauding them.
Oh and I liked the flags too. 🤣
Where was Morley? Did more than any other player to secure that trophy.
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In Abu Dabhi.
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The pre match events were wonderful and brought a tear to my eyes, particularly seeing how some of my heroes are ageing. The tribute was thoughtful, well organised and heartwarming. Tremendous. And we’ll done Palace fans for their applause.
The game was very poor. Palace are more physical and mobile than us and they won far more loose balls than we did but we definitely had the better chances. We struggled to keep meaningful possession and long balls to Watkins are fine for him to chase but not for him to hold up with his back to goal. It’s not what he does, and we just couldn’t build phases of attack. And so often when we have the ball we have no wide options further up the pitch so we recycle backwards and inside, invariably to Coutinho, with 11 men in front of him.
The subs made a difference. I thought Chambers did well and he moves the ball on much quicker than Konsa and both Buendia and Ramsey gave us more drive going forward. On the negative side I thought Ramsey needlessly gave away the free kick for their goal - really daft when they have so many giants in their team.
One final point - make the players wear longer studs. For several games now we have players falling all over the place.
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Our players falling over has been a problem for some time now, bit bizzare
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
They couldn’t find the time after the Mark Noble special tribute edition.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
If Tottenham, Arsenal or West Ham had ever won the biggest prize in European football, believe me, we’d be hearing about it on a lot more regular basis.
I think there is a relevance to recognising and celebrating heritage; establishing the ‘bones’ of a club.
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Disgraceful that Villa have the audacity to celebrate their finest moment in all of our lifetimes.
I'm amazed we didn't start hurling the plastic flag sticks in a Fatima Whitebread stylee at our heroes.
I read somewhere they originally planned for the 82 team to give the current side a guard of honour. Glad that was kicked into touch. However thought that was a good idea ought to be potted
They actually did that when they all returned in 2007 for the Sheffield United game.
I agree it was a nice touch from Gerrard if he insisted the current team did it. As far away as it seems currently it's something one day to aspire to again.
Also poignant as this is likely to be last time most of the group will be on the pitch at same time. Hopefully they'll still be all around in 2032 but you can't be sure especially with the news about Colin Gibson the other day.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
Can understand that viewpoint but it's not like we celebrate it every year (last time was in May 2007) and as I said in above post sadly many of them might not be alive to be on the pitch one more time in May 2032 so today was probably the last time we'll see them as a group gracing the hallowed VP turf.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
Can understand that viewpoint but it's not like we celebrate it every year (last time was in May 2007) and as I said in above post sadly many of them might not be alive to be on the pitch one more time in May 2032 so today was probably the last time we'll see them as a group gracing the hallowed VP turf.
Yeah, you're probably right there.
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Ings just as the Liverpool game should have been a match winner, he is not the player of a couple of years ago and should have been replaced after half time. Why Gerrard like Smith continues to fit square pegs in to round holes is totally senseless. After half time Ings was a total passenger. We are under sized across the park and I will be looking for some bigger bodies to come in, thought Buendia made a big difference and why he is only given cameo's is worrying.
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The only things missing from the Villa players 1st half performance was them wearing sun glasses, sombrero's and flip flops
2nd half was better and maybe should of won the game at the end with the Watkins chance
Will need a big improvement if we are to beat Burnley on Thursday
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The only things missing from the Villa players 1st half performance was them wearing sun glasses, sombrero's and flip flops
2nd half was better and maybe should of won the game at the end with the Watkins chance
Will need a big improvement if we are to beat Burnley on Thursday
True, we've not beaten them since last week.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
Can understand that viewpoint but it's not like we celebrate it every year (last time was in May 2007) and as I said in above post sadly many of them might not be alive to be on the pitch one more time in May 2032 so today was probably the last time we'll see them as a group gracing the hallowed VP turf.
Yeah, you're probably right there.
It was great to celebrate the teams achievements yesterday.
Am I right in saying that these players have been largely ignored by previous owners?
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Was it Colin Gibson who was wearing the Panama hat?
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Was it Colin Gibson who was wearing the Panama hat?
Brendan Ormsby I think.
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MOTD didn't even mention our special anniversary.
This might count as sacrilege, and it's probably because, though alive at the time, I don't remember it, but I'm thoroughly sick of hearing about 1982. I'm glad that the lads involved got their plaudits, well-deserved as they are, and it was the ultimate achievement and must never be forgotten.
I can't help but feel, though, that the constant looking back impairs our future.
My apologies for any offence caused.
Can understand that viewpoint but it's not like we celebrate it every year (last time was in May 2007) and as I said in above post sadly many of them might not be alive to be on the pitch one more time in May 2032 so today was probably the last time we'll see them as a group gracing the hallowed VP turf.
Yeah, you're probably right there.
It was great to celebrate the teams achievements yesterday.
Am I right in saying that these players have been largely ignored by previous owners?
Steven Gerrard showed more respect to them than a certain previous owner.
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It was a typical end of season game. Petty poor in the first half but better in the second, especially when Ramsey came on who I thought at the time was the wrong sub. We should have won it near the end though.
The pre-match celebrations were fantastic and well put together. It looked great from the Upper Holte. It was absolutley the right thing to do. A few of them may not be around for the next one. It really was wonderful.
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Our shape changed when Ramsey and Buendia came on. We started to move; prior to that our front two felt static and it was as if everyone was waiting on Coutinho to place the ball at their feet, rather than moving for it.
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I was quite emotional before kick off. Hadn't realised how much it meant, and also how sad it made me that we have to make such a big deal of something that happened 40 years ago. That's a lot of time to pass with only winning the League Cup to show for it.
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Keep the faith Drum. The longer you follow them the better it gets. Not the results. The highs when they happen and they will.
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The only things missing from the Villa players 1st half performance was them wearing sun glasses, sombrero's and flip flops
2nd half was better and maybe should of won the game at the end with the Watkins chance
Will need a big improvement if we are to beat Burnley on Thursday
True, we've not beaten them since last week.
Disgrace!
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Keep the faith Drum. The longer you follow them the better it gets. Not the results. The highs when they happen and they will.
Always Brian.
I really enjoyed the celebrations, and getting my photo taken with those legends was amazing, gives you hope it will happen again one day. It feels like we do things the right way these days too, all through the club.
My lad really enjoyed it yesterday, being complimented on his shirt (my original Umbro one), the stewards being great, Peter Withe almost begging him to have his photo taken with him. The flags which will go up in his room.
He's looking forward to telling all his mates he took the photos I posted, how many 7 year olds get to do that?!
The future is looking better than it has for a long time, it's just a shame we didn't capitalise on our position when we could have done...
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The '82 celebrations were great - it was genuinely moving, a lot more so than I expected.
The match was turgid. I was hoping for a Sheffield United 'Proud History Bright Future' sort of atmosphere and performance - the shackles off, a few decent performances leading up to it, Coutinho signed, beatable opposition who have little to play for. I thought we could have some fun, but we never really got going.
Gerrard has to work out a way that we can control games, particularly at home. We are, generally, so passive with and without the ball - it feels like we only make an impression on the game if the opposition let us. The build-up play was so slow yesterday, and we didn't press them at all. A typical end-of-season game perhaps, but still very disappointing and, quite frankly, boring.
It will be interesting to see what he does on Thursday - we played so well against Burnley last week with Buendia in the team so will he go for the same again? It will probably be a different type of game, as Burnley will be that little bit more desperate. It will be a proper fight I would have thought.
We have turned a bit of a corner, I think, from the run of losses. If we end up only losing to Liverpool and Man City for the last 6 matches of the season, there's no disgrace in that. But at the same time, we have only beaten teams in the relegation zone in that time. It sort of sums up Gerrard's tenure up to now - there are positives there if you are looking for them, but they are not overwhelming. 'Just about good enough' is probably the most accurate assessment. Not particularly inspiring, but it could be worse.
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Yeah, that 3-0 against Sheff Utd. in May 2007 saw us play some great stuff as I recall. We needed Coutinho to be at his Patrik Berger best yesterday.
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What would be the point of giving SG money to spend.
He can’t use the players he already has.
Not starting Buendia is truly stupid.
And then waiting for 71 minutes to put him on is even more stupid.
I suspect we will have to put up with him until around October when the penny drops for the owners.
I think the penny needs to drop that the current group are not good enough to take us any higher then we are at the moment. If the money isn’t forthcoming then stand by for more of the same next season
My worry is Gerrard gets a lot of money and gets to spend bucketloads on higher wages and incrementally improves us as per MON
It’s my worry too, but if it does happen hopefully we won’t follow it up with such a procession of insane managerial replacements as followed MON.
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We control games with a better centre of the park. McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba are not good enough to progress beyond where we currently are. We need 2 of the 3 to be at best squad players next season.
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Article in today’s DT
Aston Villa's 1982 European Cup success in the spotlight for latest BT Sport documentary
Anyone with claret and blue in their heart will be cheered by this latest offering, a look at one of British football’s greatest triumphs
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Really odd game, we deserved to lose completely bullied by a much more physical Palace side, should have won but happy with the point. Football shows all emotions.
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Mings looked erm ropey? in the first twenty minutes of the first half but settled down.
Taking Danny Ings off by the end was a kindness, he missed two chances, then his touch seemed to desert him, then he started falling over.
As with the Norwich game, the tempo was upped by the introduction of Buendia, who made about three half opportunities and one great chance in space of 15 minutes.
Think we finished with a stronger line up than the one we started with.
I don't know whether to be encouraged by us matching Liverpool for large periods or disheartened by our largely rank display against Palace.
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How did Mings grapple with Zaha? The bugger got him sent-off last season.
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Wish i'd have been a bit quicker off the mark as the 2 minibuses with the Villa legends turned up on Trinity and stopped about 5 meters from where we were standing. Should have tried to get a photo as they got out. Could have had a pic with Lee Hendrie outside the North Stand as well, we walked past him.
Good pre match atmosphere all round, nice day and live music to boot. They weren't too great mind, a bunch of early 50s guys singing blink 182's 'All the small things' didn't quite fit somehow. Pretty amusing to be fair.
Shame the match was a bit shit.
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Zaha is such a chunt.
However, his shit-housery is quite entertaining (cupping ears to the crowd, for example) and let's be totally honest, we like a bit of that ourselves (Emi most weeks but particularly post penalty save at Man United, even SG walking across the pitch at Goodison and just smiling at the Everton fans).
He's a good player, though.
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I think Zaha got the crowd going and brought a dull game to life. So well done to the moaning shithouse, I suppose.
I confess I quite enjoyed him encouraging the crowd to shout "wanker" at him.
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I think Zaha got the crowd going and brought a dull game to life. So well done to the moaning shithouse, I suppose.
I confess I quite enjoyed him encouraging the crowd to shout "wanker" at him.
As if you need a reason.
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If I was a half decent Premier league player I'd be a collosal dickhead, smirking and winking to away fans etc, cupping of ears, celebrating in front of them like I was Jesus.
I try and limit that behaviour at work though. Doing the Emi jiggle when I'm proved correct in a meeting wouldn't go down too well.
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Jesus didn’t celebrate in front of opposition supporters…
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Zaha is such a chunt.
However, his shit-housery is quite entertaining (cupping ears to the crowd, for example)
Made laugh that did. As did the “he’s gonna cry in a minute chant”. Sadly all I did enjoy of the afternoon.
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Jesus didn’t celebrate in front of opposition supporters…
He walked around giving it the big I Am though.
"Oooh I can make fish out of nothing" Something like that anyway.
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Having now seen the match, good things we didn't lose, performance in the last 10 mins, quality ball from Lucas for the goal, Ollie scores again, Zaha didn't score and the fans got to see their heroes. Bad things quite a few.
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Saha - complete pantomime villain - cant stand him but fair play to him for maintaining the image. I think the "He's going to cry in a minute" was genuine lol moment
I thought at times we do play some great stuff but then in an instant give the bloody ball away. McGinn was back to his worst of pivoting and trying Hollywood balls again which contributed to losing possession again.
I thought Digne was superb and his run and cross for the goal was excellent.
We had enough chances in last 15 minutes to have won so i hope we are looking at a striker in our shopping lists. Thought we looked more composed when Chambers came on.
82 celebrations
Great to see them and i although i think we milk it a little too much at times i agree that in another 10 years there will not be that many of them left.
Ormsby was a sad sight to see - he was helped round most of the pitch by Ivor Linton, Jimmy Rimmer is also not meant to be in good health and it is now documented about Sid and Gibson.
Was surprised that Morley missed it for a holiday - surely this was planned well in advance?
I too thought that the BBC to not even mention it was a total disgrace but they are huge supporters of football only begining in 1992 also - wankers
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The match another damp squib.
But afterwards.... Joy.
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This is great
Do you have a favourite player of this time of these proper winners of when the European cup was for champions only?
Or maybe you're a fraction too young? I not sure but these are Villa greats so must have been fantastic for you! Made the day after that result. Nice to see!
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I used to love Sid, Shaw and Withe. And then in defence it was Alan Evans and his wristbands.
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I used to love Sid, Shaw and Withe. And then in defence it was Alan Evans and his wristbands.
Great photos Drummond, Dennis is my all time favourite Villa player, by the way I also felt emotional seeing our heroes yesterday.
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Fantastic beard, Drummond.
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Fantastic beard, Drummond.
Gracias.
I'm getting old, and greyer every day....
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Fantastic watch Drummond.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Tell you what, let me have your seat. I can’t afford to buy a season ticket nor get the time nowadays to go down the villa. I have seen some of the heroes of 82 before at VP (I was born the year after and never forget we were once the champions of Europe). It was always a pleasure seeing them particularly Spink.
I get we weren’t setting the world on fire yesterday what with nothing to play for and all but I would have sold my right bollock to have gone down to see the villa. You post on here whinging about everything to do with the club whilst claiming the humanity about the season tickets, cost of everything etc. Just realise you are a lucky bugger to be able to go down regularly to see the villa as I once was able to do. I saw most home games under lambert when we would celebrate a corner. To bemoan the 40th anniversary of the European cup is a bit sad really as who knows who will still be around in 10 years time.
I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
Sorry if I seem against character but this season could have been worse
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General summaries about yesterday. 2 teams with nothing to play for and Zaha is a fanny.
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Fantastic watch Drummond.
Aye, 'tis a beauty!
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Zaha is an absolute disgrace of a footballer
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Zaha is an absolute disgrace of a footballer
No, he's a very good player, he just moans a lot.
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Saha - complete pantomime villain - cant stand him but fair play to him for maintaining the image. I think the "He's going to cry in a minute" was genuine lol moment
I thought at times we do play some great stuff but then in an instant give the bloody ball away. McGinn was back to his worst of pivoting and trying Hollywood balls again which contributed to losing possession again.
I thought Digne was superb and his run and cross for the goal was excellent.
We had enough chances in last 15 minutes to have won so i hope we are looking at a striker in our shopping lists. Thought we looked more composed when Chambers came on.
82 celebrations
Great to see them and i although i think we milk it a little too much at times i agree that in another 10 years there will not be that many of them left.
Ormsby was a sad sight to see - he was helped round most of the pitch by Ivor Linton, Jimmy Rimmer is also not meant to be in good health and it is now documented about Sid and Gibson.
Was surprised that Morley missed it for a holiday - surely this was planned well in advance?
I too thought that the BBC to not even mention it was a total disgrace but they are huge supporters of football only begining in 1992 also - wankers
To be fair to Tony Morley he more than does his bit for the Villa all year long.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Tell you what, let me have your seat. I can’t afford to buy a season ticket nor get the time nowadays to go down the villa. I have seen some of the heroes of 82 before at VP (I was born the year after and never forget we were once the champions of Europe). It was always a pleasure seeing them particularly Spink.
I get we weren’t setting the world on fire yesterday what with nothing to play for and all but I would have sold my right bollock to have gone down to see the villa. You post on here whinging about everything to do with the club whilst claiming the humanity about the season tickets, cost of everything etc. Just realise you are a lucky bugger to be able to go down regularly to see the villa as I once was able to do. I saw most home games under lambert when we would celebrate a corner. To bemoan the 40th anniversary of the European cup is a bit sad really as who knows who will still be around in 10 years time.
I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
Sorry if I seem against character but this season could have been worse
I bet your're a real joy at parties. Jeez.
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Zaha is an absolute disgrace of a footballer
No, he's a very good player, he just moans a lot.
If Flintstone was a footballer.
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Tell you what, let me have your seat. I can’t afford to buy a season ticket nor get the time nowadays to go down the villa. I have seen some of the heroes of 82 before at VP (I was born the year after and never forget we were once the champions of Europe). It was always a pleasure seeing them particularly Spink.
I get we weren’t setting the world on fire yesterday what with nothing to play for and all but I would have sold my right bollock to have gone down to see the villa. You post on here whinging about everything to do with the club whilst claiming the humanity about the season tickets, cost of everything etc. Just realise you are a lucky bugger to be able to go down regularly to see the villa as I once was able to do. I saw most home games under lambert when we would celebrate a corner. To bemoan the 40th anniversary of the European cup is a bit sad really as who knows who will still be around in 10 years time.
I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
Sorry if I seem against character but this season could have been worse
*Applause*
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Tell you what, let me have your seat. I can’t afford to buy a season ticket nor get the time nowadays to go down the villa. I have seen some of the heroes of 82 before at VP (I was born the year after and never forget we were once the champions of Europe). It was always a pleasure seeing them particularly Spink.
I get we weren’t setting the world on fire yesterday what with nothing to play for and all but I would have sold my right bollock to have gone down to see the villa. You post on here whinging about everything to do with the club whilst claiming the humanity about the season tickets, cost of everything etc. Just realise you are a lucky bugger to be able to go down regularly to see the villa as I once was able to do. I saw most home games under lambert when we would celebrate a corner. To bemoan the 40th anniversary of the European cup is a bit sad really as who knows who will still be around in 10 years time.
I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
Sorry if I seem against character but this season could have been worse
I bet your're a real joy at parties. Jeez.
I assume you meant the OP not me. I am a legend at parties. But I do worry the little flags in drinks are causing us to enter a recession
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Absolute tripe
Six Home wins is absolutely unacceptable, awful first half , absolutely dire. Second half was much better but again we fail to get all 3 points on home soil
Thought the 40th anniversary stuff was over the top, would rather have had the money spent on flags and banners off the price increase on season tickets. Anyone would have thought we'd won it last year
Will just end up in the closet,collecting dust and not very good for the environment either
Left feeling fed up as usual
Tell you what, let me have your seat. I can’t afford to buy a season ticket nor get the time nowadays to go down the villa. I have seen some of the heroes of 82 before at VP (I was born the year after and never forget we were once the champions of Europe). It was always a pleasure seeing them particularly Spink.
I get we weren’t setting the world on fire yesterday what with nothing to play for and all but I would have sold my right bollock to have gone down to see the villa. You post on here whinging about everything to do with the club whilst claiming the humanity about the season tickets, cost of everything etc. Just realise you are a lucky bugger to be able to go down regularly to see the villa as I once was able to do. I saw most home games under lambert when we would celebrate a corner. To bemoan the 40th anniversary of the European cup is a bit sad really as who knows who will still be around in 10 years time.
I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
Sorry if I seem against character but this season could have been worse
I bet your're a real joy at parties. Jeez.
I assume you meant the OP not me.
I'm sure he did.
And I feel exactly the same way. I moved to North America in 95 and so I've missed a lot of Villa. I would absolutely love to be one of the lucky few to watch us now. And while it might be perfect, as a club we are very much going in the right direction.
Flin5tone - If Villa is such a pain in your life, give up your seat to one of the 20k that want to go. Nobody forces you or anyone to go to games or buy food, beer, merchandise etc etc. It's still only a pastime even if it has a considerable bearing on your free time. But if it is a burden, find something else to do. We all get a bit fired up at times, and that's ok, but this constant fucking misery suggests Villa isn't you you.
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Yabba dabba boooo!
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Yabba dabba boooo!
From the town of Bedsit
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I used to love Sid, Shaw and Withe. And then in defence it was Alan Evans and his wristbands.
Great photos Drummond, Dennis is my all time favourite Villa player, by the way I also felt emotional seeing our heroes yesterday.
Absolutely amazing pics. My favourite was Peter Withe but to be honest I loved watching them all. Ahh the memories and a proper shirt mate just brilliant
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I get you pay your money you get the right to an opinion but i have never seen you post something positive about the villa. I don’t know if you are a WUM, trolling us or whatever but think yourself at least a little bit lucky you have the expendable income to follow villa. Some of us can’t. Nothing against you personally but by McGrath can you at least find some positives this year???
He was only able to go because the Rubble has recovered some of its losses on currency markets in recent weeks.
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Saha - complete pantomime villain - cant stand him but fair play to him for maintaining the image. I think the "He's going to cry in a minute" was genuine lol moment
I thought at times we do play some great stuff but then in an instant give the bloody ball away. McGinn was back to his worst of pivoting and trying Hollywood balls again which contributed to losing possession again.
I thought Digne was superb and his run and cross for the goal was excellent.
We had enough chances in last 15 minutes to have won so i hope we are looking at a striker in our shopping lists. Thought we looked more composed when Chambers came on.
82 celebrations
Great to see them and i although i think we milk it a little too much at times i agree that in another 10 years there will not be that many of them left.
Ormsby was a sad sight to see - he was helped round most of the pitch by Ivor Linton, Jimmy Rimmer is also not meant to be in good health and it is now documented about Sid and Gibson.
Was surprised that Morley missed it for a holiday - surely this was planned well in advance?
I too thought that the BBC to not even mention it was a total disgrace but they are huge supporters of football only begining in 1992 also - wankers
Yeah it was tinged with a bit of sadness seeing the declining health of some of the team as they made their way around. They all really seemed to enjoy it though, which was good to see.
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Jesus didn’t celebrate in front of opposition supporters…
He walked around giving it the big I Am though.
"Oooh I can make fish out of nothing" Something like that anyway.
yes but water into wine is worth following when the pubs are shut
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Agreed with the previous poster that Zaha is a prize twat.
If Wilf is allowed to have a rolling debate with the ref over the course of the match, why don't the other twenty-one players have the same indulgence?
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PS. ...and if they did, how much actual football would we get to see?