Gerrard In or Out?

[danno]

Thought he got the job more because of his playing career than his spell in Scotland. Said as much at the time. Season has been disappointing but very pleased with today's result. Will judge him on next season.

[paul_e]

Before he joined I didn't want Gerrard, I didn't think he was experienced enough. However as soon as he arrived that became a pointless concern and, unlike some other managers, there was no great body of work to judge him on and decide to just hope he didn't last long (like with McLeish and Bruce who were never going to bring success and had resumes to prove it).

For me that means a blank slate and at least 1 full pre-season before he can be properly judged (barring a complete disaster which hasn't happened. I'd be interested to hear why people like CD, SE, etc haven't gone the same way. our performances and results haven't been as good as we'd like but they've also not been terrible and would, over a season, mean pretty much treading water from last year which would be a decent outcome after the summer we had.

What would he need to achieve to win you over and, given the results he's acheived aren't enough for him to be sacked what are your reasons for disliking him right now?

[Sexual Ealing]

Before he joined I didn't want Gerrard, I didn't think he was experienced enough. However as soon as he arrived that became a pointless concern and, unlike some other managers, there was no great body of work to judge him on and decide to just hope he didn't last long (like with McLeish and Bruce who were never going to bring success and had resumes to prove it).

For me that means a blank slate and at least 1 full pre-season before he can be properly judged (barring a complete disaster which hasn't happened. I'd be interested to hear why people like CD, SE, etc haven't gone the same way. our performances and results haven't been as good as we'd like but they've also not been terrible and would, over a season, mean pretty much treading water from last year which would be a decent outcome after the summer we had.

What would he need to achieve to win you over and, given the results he's acheived aren't enough for him to be sacked what are your reasons for disliking him right now?

I didn't want him for the same reasons as you.

I don't dislike him. I think he speaks very well and comes across as a decent fella.

He's done nothing to change my mind about him as a manager because he seems to want 'experienced' players rather than those with potential; his football is boring (I didn't see today's game, which sounded better than most of those he's been in charge for, but then the opponents are going down for a reason); he seems to be much more in thrall to Benitez rather than Klopp; he says that changes need to be made, and then makes no changes (not the case in the last couple, granted); his biggest achievement as a manager is outwitting Neil Lennon.

[cdbearsfan]

I don't think he's one of the best managers we could have got and still don't. But not particularly on the "Gerrard out" bandwagon after two successive wins and five beers. It's pointless as he clearly isn't going anywhere anyway. I've been quite conciliatory really.... by my standards.

Would like to see us twat at least one of Liverpool or Man City and he might start to win me round, you never know.

[gpbarr]

I didn’t want him for those reasons too.

I also don’t dislike him - I don’t know him so nothing to dislike. This is a football conversation.

Like SE, I have not seen anything (yet) to assuage my concerns.

But I admit I probably have not been as willing as others to give him the benefit of the doubt. I get emotional about my club - who doesn’t. I didn’t see the reason to sack Smith but that’s not a valid reason to want the new guy sacked too. It wasn’t Gerrards doing.

I really do hope I’m wrong ultimately about him. Nothing would make me happier than to have him lead us back into Europe and people say I told you so - better I eat humble pie than the alternate.

[PhilVill]

Pretty much in the give him a full pre season camp to be honest but if there's a few more  bob spent in summer then I would expect the owners will expect far more consistency next year, a top ten finish at the very least and a 55-60 point target. After the money they have spent, I can't say I blame them.

[Allan C]

I confess to an "agenda". I wanted the best possible manager for Aston Villa and there was no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard meets the description. Had he not had a successful playing career he would be nowhere near the Villa job.

Still, I never really thought there was much chance of him getting the push this soon barring a catastrophic season that sent us down, so hoping that the last couple of games are an indication that he's improving and that we can finish the season in decent style and look forward to doing much better next term.

He was the best one available at the time who were likely to come to us.

[cdbearsfan]

I disagree, but can't be arsed to re-argue November.

[Allan C]

I disagree, but can't be arsed to re-argue November.

It’s fine to disagree, that’s the whole point of a forum such as this. But of the candidates on the list at the time, Gerrard was the best option IMO

[eamonn]

We could have hustled for Howe.

[olaftab]

The majority of posts on this thread today, before and after the game, have been Gerrard fans desperately lashing out at anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them.

Yes totally turning Steve Brucesque whenever he won a game after his usual run of  dross results.

[Sexual Ealing]

The majority of posts on this thread today, before and after the game, have been Gerrard fans desperately lashing out at anyone who has the temerity to disagree with them.

Yes totally turning Steve Brucesque whenever he won a game after his usual run of  dross results.

The mad few.

[LeonW]

Enjoy the win. You're behaving a bit weird, like somebody has been slagging off your missus.

Get his Mrs out of your mouth.

That made me laugh.

[olaftab]

Yep, just a ridiculous agenda that’s now been shown up for what it is.

Agreed, as evidenced by the unpalatable gusto with which people seem to pile onto him when we have an adverse result.

or four

[PaulWinch again]

I don’t really get the thing about Gerrard wanting to play dull football. When we’ve played well we’ve had played nice stuff. I get that when we’ve played poorly we haven’t been scintillating, but that’s hardly a shock.