Gerrard In or Out?

[kippaxvilla2]

His interview lasted 5-6 hours and they still offered him the job?!

[Drummond]

Gerrard doesn't come out of that looking great, but Christ almighty, what a fucking shambles we were 2013-16.

He's played so few matches the percentages are a bit meaningless at the moment. Win the next two and he becomes more successful then Smith, Atkinson, Little, Gregory and O'Neill. Win the next 3 and he goes above Ron Saunders (and Steve Bruce!) Lose the next two and he falls below Sherwood.

Hang on, wasn't it you telling me that there's no point playing Nostradamus because results haven't happened yet? Or does it only count if you predict we win them?

[Drummond]

We need to spend big on three players: a striker, a defensive midfielder, and a centre half.

I reckon we could challenge for a European spot, provided all three are top drawer.

That ought to read should challenge, not could.

[Risso]

Gerrard doesn't come out of that looking great, but Christ almighty, what a fucking shambles we were 2013-16.

He's played so few matches the percentages are a bit meaningless at the moment. Win the next two and he becomes more successful then Smith, Atkinson, Little, Gregory and O'Neill. Win the next 3 and he goes above Ron Saunders (and Steve Bruce!) Lose the next two and he falls below Sherwood.

Hang on, wasn't it you telling me that there's no point playing Nostradamus because results haven't happened yet? Or does it only count if you predict we win them?

Erm, the big difference there is that I haven't predicted a single thing. I've simply stated what will happen to his place in the table somebody posted if he wins or loses the next two. Do try to keep up.

[brontebilly]

Just to confirm, TSM1, arguably our worst manager post war, arrived here with a better pedigree from 'Rangers' than SG has? For those who want to give him the window, presumably based on his past performance?

I'm no fan of McLeish, but 'worst manager post war' seems a little harsh. There are at least three worse than him since.

Garde, RDM, Lambert, Sherwood

McLeish played anti football but at least had the excuse of an awful run of serious injuries to key players like Dunne, Petrov and Bent.

[Drummond]

Gerrard doesn't come out of that looking great, but Christ almighty, what a fucking shambles we were 2013-16.

He's played so few matches the percentages are a bit meaningless at the moment. Win the next two and he becomes more successful then Smith, Atkinson, Little, Gregory and O'Neill. Win the next 3 and he goes above Ron Saunders (and Steve Bruce!) Lose the next two and he falls below Sherwood.

Hang on, wasn't it you telling me that there's no point playing Nostradamus because results haven't happened yet? Or does it only count if you predict we win them?

Erm, the big difference there is that I haven't predicted a single thing. I've simply stated what will happen to his place in the table somebody posted if he wins or loses the next two. Do try to keep up.

Ha!

[Risso]

Bloody hell bad morning?!

Here's the difference.

Me: "If we win the next game we'll have three points. If we lose the next game we'll have no points."

You: "When we lose the next two it'll be six losses in a row! Gerrard out!"

[Smithy]

Here's the manager list from Wiki, make of it what you will, but there are 2 worse than TSM1 by win % [click to enlarge]...

Gerrard doesn't come out of that looking great, but Christ almighty, what a fucking shambles we were 2013-16.

That only tells half the story though. Going off that, our best 3 post war managers have been Graham Taylor mk.1, Steve Bruce, and Tony Barton.

Certainly wouldn't question the man that won us the European Cup being there, or SGT. But Steve Bruce ...

Steve Bruce is only there because he managed us entirely in the second tier where (in theory) wins are easier to come by than in the Premier League.  I also suspect it's why Smith's numbers are so close to O'Neil and Little - his excellent run in our promotion season got his win % looking very healthy indeed, even with the relegation battle that followed with only 9 wins all season.

I don't think you can judge Gerrard too harshly until next season.  After the start he made, it's been disappointing of late, yes, but I'm absolutely willing to give him the summer and a transfer window to get a side of players he wants, playing the way he wants, before I decide if he's up to it or not.  I think if we're not comfortably in the top half next season - and there's not a very good reason for it - then he'll probably be gone by the new year.

[Drummond]

Bloody hell bad morning?!

Here's the difference.

Me: "If we win the next game we'll have three points. If we lose the next game we'll have no points."

You: "When we lose the next two it'll be six losses in a row! Gerrard out!"

You: If we win the next two he'll be better than Smith, Atkinson, Little, Gregory and O'Neill (and if we lose he's just a bit below Sherwood) and give him a chance because I like him.

Me: If we lose the next two (which is highly likely as we haven't managed to beat any team above us in the table*) then yes, that's 6 in a row and the evidence mounts that he's not doing a very good job with the same squad Smith had plus Coutinho, Digne and Chambers.


Anyway, it's all immaterial. I'm not happy with being on the side of not liking our manager, and clearly you're not used to being on the side of supporting one who is struggling. ;-) Plus, if I'm honest, I don't want him sacked, I want him to go on a great run, prove my doubts to be incorrect and to go on and be our most successful manager ever.

The time to make a decision is the end of the season. We're safe, we'll beat someone before the season is done, the question is whether we see enough to know for sure either way whether he's good enough overall. The evidence right now suggests we can play well in patches (Spurs first half was a case in point) and some games, Southampton as a really good example, but struggle badly in others and we're losing more than we're winning.

Thankfully, as I pointed out before, we're only the 4th worst team this calendar year behind Watford, Norwich and Everton, so it's not even relegation form. Just really shit.

His Premier League record is P20 W8 D2 L10 so not all bad, that's 49.4 points over a full season. Which last season would put us 12th, funnily enough, just below Aston Villa in the table, albeit 6 points behind. That means that we're just getting worse under him rather than better.


*I am 100% correct so far half way through.

[Risso]

The point of my post was that having been in charge for relatively few games, Gerrard winning or losing a couple of games has a big effect on his win percentage, so it's not really a meaningful stat at this point. I then said how his percentage would change if he won or lost two games. It wasn't anything to do with predicting those results. I don't really see how that's a difficult idea to grasp.

[ChicagoLion]

I really did not think that after his first few games that the team would have performed as badly as it has.
In my opinion he has all ready made quite a few mistakes with selections, sticking with poor performing players,game management and upgrading the left back and not dealing with the glaring problem in the central midfield.
It would be madness to sack him now but he does need to prove his credentials before this season is out.

[pauliewalnuts]

If we lose 2/3 more in a row he'll probably be asked to leave. If we end up 15th it will be totally unacceptable

I bet we end up 15th, we'll prob lose 2/3 more in a row, but he won't get the heave-ho.

[pauliewalnuts]

Bloody hell bad morning?!

Here's the difference.

Me: "If we win the next game we'll have three points. If we lose the next game we'll have no points."

You: "When we lose the next two it'll be six losses in a row! Gerrard out!"

You: If we win the next two he'll be better than Smith, Atkinson, Little, Gregory and O'Neill (and if we lose he's just a bit below Sherwood) and give him a chance because I like him.

Me: If we lose the next two (which is highly likely as we haven't managed to beat any team above us in the table*) then yes, that's 6 in a row and the evidence mounts that he's not doing a very good job with the same squad Smith had plus Coutinho, Digne and Chambers.


Anyway, it's all immaterial. I'm not happy with being on the side of not liking our manager, and clearly you're not used to being on the side of supporting one who is struggling. ;-) Plus, if I'm honest, I don't want him sacked, I want him to go on a great run, prove my doubts to be incorrect and to go on and be our most successful manager ever.

The time to make a decision is the end of the season. We're safe, we'll beat someone before the season is done, the question is whether we see enough to know for sure either way whether he's good enough overall. The evidence right now suggests we can play well in patches (Spurs first half was a case in point) and some games, Southampton as a really good example, but struggle badly in others and we're losing more than we're winning.

Thankfully, as I pointed out before, we're only the 4th worst team this calendar year behind Watford, Norwich and Everton, so it's not even relegation form. Just really shit.

His Premier League record is P20 W8 D2 L10 so not all bad, that's 49.4 points over a full season. Which last season would put us 12th, funnily enough, just below Aston Villa in the table, albeit 6 points behind. That means that we're just getting worse under him rather than better.


*I am 100% correct so far half way through.

I don't know about anyone else, but you two are messing with my mind.

Is this some sort of elaborate trolling operation you've put in place, some sort of role play thing where you're pretending to be each other?

[gpbarr]

His interview lasted 5-6 hours and they still offered him the job?!

Damning. One things for sure, it'l take 5-6 mins for the next conversation, thank god.

[RamboandBruno]

His interview lasted 5-6 hours and they still offered him the job?!

Damning. One things for sure, it'l take 5-6 mins for the next conversation, thank god.

You speak with such authority on all things anti Gerrard, have you got inside knowledge. How will you cope if we actually win a few games before the end of the season, your equilibrium will be all out of balance