Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[Rory]

I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.

[PeterWithesShin]

The post wasn't aimed at you, I wasn't selling anything, and the post didn't mention the current owners. You're a tad obsessed.

[Percy McCarthy]

I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.

Ah cheers Rory.

[Rory]

I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.

Ah cheers Rory.

When I'm wrong I'm wrong, and when you're right, you're right...ya big twat 😉

[sid1964]

If it is true that Liverpool and Athletico Madrid want Luiz - I would imagine he would want to go and play for a club who are in the Champions League

Guilert going on a free transfer to a team in France, Sanson also hoping to get a move away anything could happen in the next 36 hours

It is going to be an interesting last 2 days of the transfer window

[VILLA MOLE]

Gerard said he had a bloated squad , but now we are heading the other way

[richtheholtender]

Figured i'd put this here as just saw it. It's from the ESPN FC show.

Only just seen this. It's an eye opener but I'm still not buying it. My point has been in relation to the current owners v their expectations, so going back 10 years and two previous owners isn't really a marker of what they're doing. I mean. In Tony Xias first year I think we spent net £40 million, so that's 10% of the total value from an owner we all detested in the end and while we were in the championship. The brass tax of it is, that since we finished 17th in our first year back (more up to date data) we've averaged a net spend of £30 million in the subsequent years. That just doesn't cut it for me against what they are saying they want, especially when with each passing year that opportunity gets smaller and smaller.

I am open-minded to your arguments, in spite of your agenda against the owners, but net spend is surely skewed by us receiving the sixth largest transfer fee in history in that time?

There's no agenda I just have an issue with outlandish claims of European football, even top half and then only giving the manager the tools to achieve a lower end finish.


It's like giving a roofer the labour and materials to do 4 roofs and then publicly announcing that 10 roofs can be can done 

[sid1964]

So we have a higher net spend than Liverpool in the last decade? it proves how good they have been buying players and knowing when to sell them

That is what we fail to do, we generally have brought players who remain with us until their contracts end (they know they are not getting the salaries that Aston Villa pay, anywhere else) and then they eventually leave us on free transfers.

[richtheholtender]

It's always on cheap with villa and these two appear to be no different. I'll use the building analogy again. Carlos getting injured and us clearly doing nothing is liking a roofer ripping the felt of a customers house and just slapping some glue on or better still do nothing. You know it's going leak, you know it's going to cause issues, you could put it right but we don't do we. Just do nothing instead of paying the money to put right the issue.

[richtheholtender]

The biggest indicator of all that the squad isn't good enough is the players. There has always been a player at villa, even in our championship days, being linked with bigger clubs. Also one that "has to leave" or "is going to leave if we don't get europe". This lot, nobody wants them!! That's not because they aren't trying, it's not because of attitude, it's because they simply aren't good enough. We are what we are, the finishes in the league prove this and the owners aren't strengthening to gets us higher. We brought championship players and got the blood out of the stone we needed for the money spent but that's dwindling now. The team needs help, the manager needs help and the two that can do something about it are hiding quite frankly.

[richtheholtender]

The biggest indicator of all that the squad isn't good enough is the players. There has always been a player at villa, even in our championship days, being linked with bigger clubs. Also one that "has to leave" or "is going to leave if we don't get europe". This lot, nobody wants them!! That's not because they aren't trying, it's not because of attitude, it's because they simply aren't good enough. We are what we are, the finishes in the league prove this and the owners aren't strengthening to gets us higher. We brought championship players and got the blood out of the stone we needed for the money spent but that's dwindling now. The team needs help, the manager needs help and the two that can do something about it are hiding quite frankly. Look at the pattern our spending drops...the performances drop, they tend to go hand in hand.

[Steve67]

Ok Rich. Made ya point. Can we talk transfers now please!

[Ian.]

Why are you quoting yourself?

[Gareth]

If there were 2 more decent incomings this summer (clock ticking!!)  would say the club have done an absolutely excellent job with it outgoings thus far.

If we were to sign a ‘good’ mobile #8 and sell Douglas and loan Sanson that wouldn’t be a disaster…it’s what we sign that is key

[ozzjim]

If we signed a player in the mould of a Sangaire and a centre back in the next 48 hours, and pulled a pacy forward out of the magic hat, I would think we still had a semblance of an idea. Right now we appear to be utterly clueless, with a limp through to the world cup and regroup attitude. The harsh reality is that this squad plus a solid centre half signing is a mid table one, so you will make a much bigger gain spending the cash getting a decent manager in.