Summer 2022 Transfer Thread

[Gareth]

One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.

[Footy-Vill]

One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.

Because of this debate, I brought up Chambers and Augustinsson, who are good level competitors but not necessarily better than what we already have.
Bissouma, Phillips, and Nunez would have been fantastic choices, but we must be practical.
Berge or Winks and Dennis.
Shelvey or Brownhill and Pukki.
I would prefer higher calibre but all these players have some calibre and use to our squad.

[PaulWinch again]

Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

[paul_e]

One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.

Because of this debate, I brought up Chambers and Augustinsson, who are good level competitors but not necessarily better than what we already have.
Bissouma, Phillips, and Nunez would have been fantastic choices, but we must be practical.
Berge or Winks and Dennis.
Shelvey or Brownhill and Pukki.
I would prefer higher calibre but all these players have some calibre and use to our squad.

'Some use to our squad' players are those like Young, Chambers, Olsen and Augustinsson who will have cost us a total of a few million in loan fees. The 3 you've listed would be, if your prices are correct, £75m. That's why people are taking the piss, spending that money should see players come in who do more than fill gaps in the squad and put some pressure on the players in front of them.

[Footy-Vill]

It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

[Brazilian Villain]

the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

Newcastle were linked with him earlier in the window so they're probably one of them.

[Drummond]

It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

The issue is that in the positions these players ply their trade, we need definite improvements on what we have already. These three don't give us that at all.

[paul_e]

It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

The issue is that in the positions these players ply their trade, we need definite improvements on what we have already. These three don't give us that at all.

Yep, exactly. For free or small fees those ard the dort of players you look at to add depth where we have quality in front of them but no one in the youth side ready to compete.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

Newcastle were linked with him earlier in the window so they're probably one of them.

He plays in a position where we’re well covered with hopefully top performers in Coutinho and Buendia. We didn’t get them both in the same team consistently last season so adding another would complicate matter still further.

[algy]

Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.

[aj2k77]

One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

That would be a seriously shit transfer list. The type I'd expect back in the O'Neill days of wasting sums on bang average players unable to help us push on.

[Mister E]

One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.
They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

That would be a seriously shit transfer list. The type I'd expect back in the O'Neill days of wasting sums on bang average players unable to help us push on.

Agreed.

[Beard82]

Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.

Agree with this 100% good summary of our approach since Dean Smith left

[OCD]

Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.

£500k loan fee for Augustinsson, Chambers was free as his contract expired this summer and Arsenal were happy for him to move early and Olsen is meant to have cost £3m.

So even cheaper...£3.5m. Paid for by moving Trez on.

Kamara on a free. £17m for a player who once cost £146m. Some really clever business being done by the club.

[Smithy]

Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

That's a really good point actually.  The aim with recruitment should always be to improve the first eleven, BUT, there does come a point where you're not going to get better than the player already in the first eleven without European football.  We now have a few of those in place.  We're not getting better than Digne, Cash, Big Emi, Coutinho, Kamara, and a few others without offering European football (I don't believe so, anyway).  That's at least half the first eleven it would be difficult to improve on at our current stage of development

In other positions, absolutely, we can get better than we have right now, but in those positions where our first-choice is already very strong, it makes perfect sense to recruit back-ups, who won't demand a first-team place.  It strengthens the squad, if not the first-eleven.