Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Bostongbboy]

My apologies to start with if I don’t know who I may upset. But what can we fans do about the situation with VAR & Manure. I sit as an old bloke season ticket holder in the Witton Lane and will be there Saturday. But I get so pxxxed off with Manure ( like many others ) lording it over VP.
I did notice the Villa away fans chant “ you are not fit to referee “ which was commented by BBC commentators .
Is it possible for The Holte End to start a chant about the injustice of obvious bias towards the Sky 6 favourites. Especially as it is Televised to the football fans sitting on their backsides somewhere in the world.
Perhaps this should go in “ rant” topics . Thanks for allowing me to get my rant over.

[clash city rocker]

As a matter of interest, how many times has a ref reviewed a decision  on the screen and said, "Nah, I'm happy with my original decision thanks"?
Has anyone ever seen it happen? Because I dont recall a single instance. As soon as they're invited over to the side of the pitch, you just know there's a change coming.

Hence the cheer from their lot when he set off to look.

I'm sure we've been on the receiving end of a decision that if they'd rolled the footage back to the challenge immediately before would have gone in our favour.

The fact the VAR is run by the same people as stand in the middle shows it's shit as there's no integrity.

The more time that passes the more you notice the commentators, co-commentators and studio summarisers desperate for Liverpool and ManUtd in particular to do well. Lots of little comments, last night 'the ManUtd roar' and moving into the lush green of the Old Trafford pitch, or something similar. It's shite.

I noticed that. I think it was "The Old Trafford roar" at some point when they'd actually stopped taking selfies for a minute to make a modest amount of noise.

I commented at the time that one united fan caught taking a selfie was so ugly he shouldn't have been shown on tv as kids and women will have been watching the game.

[LeeB]

As a matter of interest, how many times has a ref reviewed a decision  on the screen and said, "Nah, I'm happy with my original decision thanks"?
Has anyone ever seen it happen? Because I dont recall a single instance. As soon as they're invited over to the side of the pitch, you just know there's a change coming.

Hence the cheer from their lot when he set off to look.

I'm sure we've been on the receiving end of a decision that if they'd rolled the footage back to the challenge immediately before would have gone in our favour.

The fact the VAR is run by the same people as stand in the middle shows it's shit as there's no integrity.

The more time that passes the more you notice the commentators, co-commentators and studio summarisers desperate for Liverpool and ManUtd in particular to do well. Lots of little comments, last night 'the ManUtd roar' and moving into the lush green of the Old Trafford pitch, or something similar. It's shite.

I noticed that. I think it was "The Old Trafford roar" at some point when they'd actually stopped taking selfies for a minute to make a modest amount of noise.

I commented at the time that one united fan caught taking a selfie was so ugly he shouldn't have been shown on tv as kids and women will have been watching the game.

You could almost see the phone backing away

[tomd2103]

As a matter of interest, how many times has a ref reviewed a decision  on the screen and said, "Nah, I'm happy with my original decision thanks"?
Has anyone ever seen it happen? Because I dont recall a single instance. As soon as they're invited over to the side of the pitch, you just know there's a change coming.

Hence the cheer from their lot when he set off to look.

I'm sure we've been on the receiving end of a decision that if they'd rolled the footage back to the challenge immediately before would have gone in our favour.

The fact the VAR is run by the same people as stand in the middle shows it's shit as there's no integrity.

The more time that passes the more you notice the commentators, co-commentators and studio summarisers desperate for Liverpool and ManUtd in particular to do well. Lots of little comments, last night 'the ManUtd roar' and moving into the lush green of the Old Trafford pitch, or something similar. It's shite.

Exactly this. It’s particularly bad when Liverpool are on but almost as bad with Man U. It’s just awful

Any sense of neutrality has completely gone out of the coverage, especially on SKY.  Most Manchester United games have Gary Neville on co-commentary and most Liverpool ones have Carragher. 

I have a lot of time Dion Dublin, but he was terrible last night and sounded like an excited competition winner.

[Flin5tone]

Absolutely infuriating
Thought we played really well and apart from a goal we looked bright and Buendia looked very creative. Need to start taking our chances and learn to be switched on at the back for 90 minutes.

Hopefully we get something Saturday or it has been a dreadful few weeks

[Martyn Smith]

I was also pissed off with our response when Oliver explains his decision for the goal being disallowed. It just seemed a shrug of acceptance from our players. If that had been the other way around (especially if Keane had been the captain) they would of been in the face of the ref and Keane would of let it be known in no uncertain terms that we don’t agree with the decision and let him know that ‘we hope there is no more controversial decisions going against us for the remainder of the game’. This would definitely of increased the pressure on Oliver and possibly us getting the penalty for the whack in the face of Konsa. Utd have always been the masters of intimidation. It’s about time we also wised up.

I may be an old romantic but I like to think that such behaviour is not in the Villa tradition.

What we need is referees with cojones like medicine balls who stand up to player and crowd shithousing.

[Zouch Villa]

Like everyone on here, still absolutely seething about last nights result, and agree with pretty much everything that’s been said already.

I must say, I know we’ve had our fair share of miserable players, but Rashford and Bruno look like they’re thoroughly hating the game right now.  I also thought Greenwood looked very average, considering he looked untouchable a season or so ago.  I really do hope this is Man Utd on a steady downward trajectory, as they looked dreadful at times.

[Hookeysmith]

Please Villa  - just smash the fuckingbastardcheatingcunts on Saturday

If we cannot be wound up for the game and suitably motivated to give extra after that shit show of officiating and cheating by them  - then we never will

[Nii Lamptey]

How about on Saturday, at around the 3min35s mark (or whatever it was), the whole ground erupts into a chorus of "You can stick your fucking VAR up your arse!", followed by someone kicking that pitchside monitor into orbit!?

[LeonW]

I was also pissed off with our response when Oliver explains his decision for the goal being disallowed. It just seemed a shrug of acceptance from our players. If that had been the other way around (especially if Keane had been the captain) they would of been in the face of the ref and Keane would of let it be known in no uncertain terms that we don’t agree with the decision and let him know that ‘we hope there is no more controversial decisions going against us for the remainder of the game’. This would definitely of increased the pressure on Oliver and possibly us getting the penalty for the whack in the face of Konsa. Utd have always been the masters of intimidation. It’s about time we also wised up.

I may be an old romantic but I like to think that such behaviour is not in the Villa tradition.

I'd say we need to start adding it. We've been plucky losers for too long and nobody else is playing by the rules of fairness.

I've said this before but both on and off the pitch we do not do enough to put pressure on officials to make them afraid of making an incorrect decision against us. Sky, forget about it because they only tend to use ex-players from the Sky 6 clubs. But there are other avenues we could go down.

I was disappointed both Mings and Gerrard didn't push the decision more last night. If you're not drawing attention to it, it quickly goes out of mind. This has been happening for far too long that it stinks. It's not an anomaly.

[astonvilla82]

Spot on Leon, imagine Roy Keane would have more to say about it then our lot, time to grow some and stop taking this crap

[LeonW]

Spot on Leon, imagine Roy Keane would have more to say about it then our lot, time to grow some and stop taking this crap

It's no different than what you'd see at work or in life. If you know somebody is going to moan or kick up a fuss about a decision, then you put more effort in to making sure you're correct. It's basic psychology.

[kippaxvilla2]

The thing is you can see it happening again on Saturday.  They are not even trying to hide the favouritism these days.  Penalty would be my guess as they haven't had one of those against us since well September.

[LeonW]

The thing is you can see it happening again on Saturday.  They are not even trying to hide the favouritism these days.  Penalty would be my guess as they haven't had one of those against us since well September.

We've got to change; we've got to have players, manager, club officials, all piling on the pressure when decisions are made. And we've got to start drawing attention to decisions. We can't rely on the system because we know it doesn't work.

We should be educating our players and manager on the rules so that they can directly challenge the referee during and after the game. Then, tell the media what the referee said during the game because we're getting no transparency as to why decisions are made. For home games, we need to show replays of bad decisions on the big screens whether it's allowed or not to whip the fans and our own players up when they see faults. And we need to continually draw attention to that fact over and over and over again as to why we don't hear what is being discussed. The media will lap up the controversy as it means that they don't have to do any work. Give them the soundbites. Give them details as to what the referee has said on the pitch. VAR is not going to change so we have to put the pressure on the officials to make sure they are afraid on making the wrong decision. I do not care one bit if it makes us disliked because nobody gives a damn right now when we're playing ball.

[Villa Lew]

Apart obviously from the Mr Oliver's decision to rule out a perfectly good goal, the only real disappointments were our defending for the goal and the last 10 minutes or so, when we were no longer an attacking threat, otherwise we played some lovely stuff, totally dominating United. Feel more comfortable of us finally beating them at VP on Saturday, than I have for a long time.

Having said all that it's now 65 years and still counting!