Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[mrfuse]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

If Ramsey had been onside when the kick was taken, it would have been ok as he is entitled to stand his ground, but he gained an advantage by being offside when the kick was taken. I agree it’s pretty obscure (like the excuse for the Man City goal last season).

What advantage did he gain?

[LeonW]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

If Ramsey had been onside when the kick was taken, it would have been ok as he is entitled to stand his ground, but he gained an advantage by being offside when the kick was taken. I agree it’s pretty obscure (like the excuse for the Man City goal last season).

Just to be clear; you're saying that if Ramsey was onside and Cavani ran into him and hits the deck, the goal would have stood?

[Marlon From Bearwood]

Do we know who the ref is on Saturday yet?

Kevin Friend, with clones of Kevin Friend on VAR, Mark Halsey on one line and Michael Oliver on the other.

I’ve heard Phil Dowd may be dusting his boots off

It’ll be Jon Moss. Just wait and see.

[Brazilian Villain]

If they went back any further they'd be dissowing the initial free kick. ******.

As I said to a friend earlier, they would have ruled it out for us being founded first if they needed to. I don't tend to get angry over football results but I'm fuming after that one. Oliver was looking directly at Cavani/Ramsey and saw nothing in it till they realised Watkins didn't touch it and the goal couldn't be ruled offside. I hope VP gives them a warm welcome on Sat. the cheating plastic c***ts. Says it all....

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1480648477235372040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[wolfman999]

Having seen most of the games over the weekend, there have been several cases of clear errors and resultant goals that would have been disallowed if there had been VAR. It's like having two, different sets of rules in the same competion. As has been said many times before, they were desperate to find something, anything they could use to deny our goal. Konsa, with his face covered in blood, no review. Clear and obvious corruption and it has to stop.

[TonyD]

Tonight was the football equivalent of the last FI race.

[Beard82]

Thoiught we had a couple of really good spells.  I think we miss the Nakamba, or a player liek that.  Luiz isnt like that.  I think that frees up the two midfielders.  Still give away the ball too much.

Think Ramsey looks great when he runs with the Ball, would like to see him yet beyond the forwards sometimes - but needs to stop the stupid bookings.

We need to make better decisions in the final third.  Beudia is the only one that seems to be able to create much - but I guess Berts and Bailey have been out.  And now Young

Still slightly worried by how rigid SG is to his formation and work with his subs - first few games his subs changed the game.  But clearly there working on it this window

To be honest, it played out exactly how I expected, "Stevie G's plucky Villans run Man Utd Close" - with the typical VAR bollocks

[RichardBatchelor]

An error strewn and disjointed performance against an equally abysmal Man U

Martinez 7
Targett 4
Mings 4
Konsa 4
Cash 5
Luis 3
McGuinn 3
Buendia 5
Ramsey4
Watkins 4
Ings 4

Gerrard 4
VAR Punch in the face.

Ridiculous marks, mate. We played well and were cheated as we always are in this fixture.

[nick harper]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

If Ramsey had been onside when the kick was taken, it would have been ok as he is entitled to stand his ground, but he gained an advantage by being offside when the kick was taken. I agree it’s pretty obscure (like the excuse for the Man City goal last season).

Just to be clear; you're saying that if Ramsey was onside and Cavani ran into him and hits the deck, the goal would have stood?

Yes, pretty sure it would have. Players block players at corners and free kicks all the time. Ramsey was yards off so it did look a bit odd. I thought it was ok as Ramsey had not moved into cavani’s path. Cavani just ran into him.

[PaulWinch again]

An error strewn and disjointed performance against an equally abysmal Man U

Martinez 7
Targett 4
Mings 4
Konsa 4
Cash 5
Luis 3
McGuinn 3
Buendia 5
Ramsey4
Watkins 4
Ings 4

Gerrard 4
VAR Punch in the face.

Ridiculous marks, mate. We played well and were cheated as we always are in this fixture.

I think in general we played well, but there were poor displays like from McGinn and Cash. We got a bad decision, but we also failed to avoid conceding a poor goal and failed to take numerous other chances.

[sickbeggar]

An error strewn and disjointed performance against an equally abysmal Man U

Martinez 7
Targett 4
Mings 4
Konsa 4
Cash 5
Luis 3
McGuinn 3
Buendia 5
Ramsey4
Watkins 4
Ings 4

Gerrard 4
VAR Punch in the face.

Ridiculous marks, mate. We played well and were cheated as we always are in this fixture.

Disagree. The obvious predicted cheating has masked the fact that Man U were abysmal and we still couldn't lay a glove on them for most of the match.

[The Edge]

I watched the game in a pub and couldn't hear the commentary properly. I really thought the goal was chalked off for Ings being offside after Ollies flick and thought may have been a handball as well. What was said in the studio? I was very surprised to find
out it was disallowed for a foul by Ramsey on Cavahni which is total bollocks because Cavanhi clearly runs straight into Ramsey? And the clincher is the length of time they took to find a reason to disallow the goal. 3.36 minutes proves beyond doubt it was not a clear and obvious error by the ref. I would love the club to call them out over it and publicly ask for clarification as to when and how is used. This was clearly misuse of the system and is now bordering on full blown favouritism in favour of certain clubs.

[brontebilly]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

If Ramsey had been onside when the kick was taken, it would have been ok as he is entitled to stand his ground, but he gained an advantage by being offside when the kick was taken. I agree it’s pretty obscure (like the excuse for the Man City goal last season).

Just to be clear; you're saying that if Ramsey was onside and Cavani ran into him and hits the deck, the goal would have stood?

So Lineker was trying to say on BBC....But Cavani has to have been able to clear the danger....which he was nowhere near doing. He didnt try a leg all night, was caught on his heels for the free kick and decided to run into Ramsey to look for the free out. Oliver seemed to be looking straight at it and didnt blow for a foul in real time. Complete joke.

[Goldenballs]

Ramsey did have a little step across and was looking directly at Cavani. But he was going to get nowhere near Konsa.

The way they went about it, desperately looking for a reason to disallow it was absolutely shocking. They must've rocked that frame back and forwards 20 times from multiple angles to see if it brushed Watkins laces to put Ings offside.

Turned it straight off after the game, did Gerrard call out the ****** doing VAR?

[Risso]

Ramsey did have a little step across and was looking directly at Cavani. But he was going to get nowhere near Konsa.

The way they went about it, desperately looking for a reason to disallow it was absolutely shocking. They must've rocked that frame back and forwards 20 times from multiple angles to see if it brushed Watkins laces to put Ings offside.

Turned it straight off after the game, did Gerrard call out the ****** doing VAR?

The work experience idiot they get to do the interviews with Gerrard after the game for the OS didn't even mention it.