Michael Oliver v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Jon Crofts]

I don't think I've seen VAR actively look for a reason to disallow the goal like that. They spent two minutes checking the offside for the ball across to Ings, then when that was inconclusive, they widened the search for anything else. How on earth is that "clear and obvious"?

It was like rugby union but in a negative sense. Referees often ask the VAR officials ‘is there any reason I cannot award a try?’ Where they are pretty sure they can.
In this case it was ‘is there any reason you can find to not award a goal’ where any excuse was sought.

Its pure bollocks, it has to end.

[villadelph]

I don't think I've seen VAR actively look for a reason to disallow the goal like that. They spent two minutes checking the offside for the ball across to Ings, then when that was inconclusive, they widened the search for anything else. How on earth is that "clear and obvious"?

It's cheating - plain and simple. However, I don't think it has ever been that obvious before. Scary to think how many times its happened over the last 6 or 7 matches against them. Pogba/Luiz, Bruno/Konsa..

Nothing will change because nothere's nothing to see here. Keep right on little Aston Villa, tough luck.

[nick harper]

Doesn't make any different If Canvani isn't getting to the ball,it shows he being blocked,we have got to learn quickly, like them fouling, instead of discussing it with the referees and opposition players take the free kick quickly

I'll think you will find it does make a difference is if he getting to ball or not it was explained after the match. He wasn't blocked Ramsey just stood his ground and Cavani ran into him because it was easier to do that than get back.

It doesn't matter what we do if the officials blatantly cheat and that is the only way I can put it, as it was cheating.

If Ramsey had been onside when the kick was taken, it would have been ok as he is entitled to stand his ground, but he gained an advantage by being offside when the kick was taken. I agree it’s pretty obscure (like the excuse for the Man City goal last season).

[Ditton33]

I thought VAR was suposed to be used to stop clear and obvious errors. Not to forensicaly examine every goal to try and find a reason to disallow it? After a that decision it was obvious we were never going to get anything tonight.  I thought we dominated the game, especially the second half, against a very poor united team. I couldn't beleive how poor some of their players were, and they still won. There's no justice. Love us to really turn them over at the weekend.

[PaulWinch again]

I don't think I've seen VAR actively look for a reason to disallow the goal like that. They spent two minutes checking the offside for the ball across to Ings, then when that was inconclusive, they widened the search for anything else. How on earth is that "clear and obvious"?

It was like rugby union but in a negative sense. Referees often ask the VAR officials ‘is there any reason I cannot award a try?’ Where they are pretty sure they can.
In this case it was ‘is there any reason you can find to not award a goal’ where any excuse was sought.

Its pure bollocks, it has to end.

Yep and that’s the perception that’s been created now - if a ref is called to the monitor it’s like they’re expected to change their decision.

[somec]

Just smash these twats on Saturday.

[Risso]

Still, new tactic to try for MacPhee. Every time the opposition has a free kick within crossing distance into our box, just have one of our defenders run into one of their players when it's taken. Then if they do score, it'll be chalked off like ours was tonight. It will, won't it?

[Ad@m]

I don't think I've seen VAR actively look for a reason to disallow the goal like that. They spent two minutes checking the offside for the ball across to Ings, then when that was inconclusive, they widened the search for anything else. How on earth is that "clear and obvious"?

And for the almost four minutes it took, the fans in the ground didn't have a clue what was going on.

It's killing the game.

[stubbsyandy]

Thought we generally played well. Mings/Konsa handled most things apart from the goal, midifielders controlled the middle of the park, and the forwards gave them the runaround (just couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo).
My rage was split between the officials, Luke Shaw and our fullbacks. Specifically Matty Cash, who I thought was bloody terrible yet again. Sloppy in possession and positioning and still failed to find a villa player with a single cross.
Patience has run out with him - I’d get Kesler in there or even recall Guilbert if possible!!

Couple of goaline clearances though, and a very good shot saved..

[Stu]

I fucking hate Monday night games. I'm still wound up.

[Rudy65]

We attacked them incessantly, played really well and deserved to win. That said, the game showed the following usual failings:

The defence - always got a mistake in it
Targett - not good enough
Final ball - not good enough
Midfield - give the ball away sloppily too often
Watkins - lots of running, not enough composure
Ings - not enough running, plays like an old man

Agree with all of this. In addition I don't think Cash is good enough for a modern day fullback. Great athlete but distribution is too inconsistent

Good performance overall against the worst MU team in decades

[PhilVill]

Appalling decision that proves what most of us have known for some time, the game is rotten to the core. However, we waste far too many good opportunities and make wrong decisions at crucial times. At times we were tremendous and at times I would have fancied my chances against us, and that's with fucked up Covid lungs! Hey ho, onto Saturday with hopefully at least two additions.

[villadelph]

Picture of Sir Alex and the match officials all smiles for the camera pre-match doing the rounds.

[PaulWinch again]

Just smash these twats on Saturday.

That’d be lovely. Coutinho to come on and score a hat trick.

[Nii Lamptey]

Still, new tactic to try for MacPhee. Every time the opposition has a free kick within crossing distance into our box, just have one of our defenders run into one of their players when it's taken. Then if they do score, it'll be chalked off like ours was tonight. It will, won't it?

Nah, it’ll just give them another option. They’ll give it as a foul the other way and a penalty