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Offline algy

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2295 on: January 26, 2022, 09:52:43 AM »
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.


I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.



I mean just look at all the names who aren't in that special middle section where Bentancur is. You can't be a mug being that good statistically in all 3 areas.

Where is Kante on that study?
Nowhere - it's just U23 players.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2296 on: January 26, 2022, 09:57:47 AM »
Gotcha, thanks

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2297 on: January 26, 2022, 10:00:52 AM »
Questions on DMs in general…

Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?

Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?

Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?

If your opponent is using his body toshield the ball you can't always make a clean tackle.

Closing down is not always to do with closing down the ball.

A pass may not be always on, sometimes you have to make space by moving the ball yourself.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2298 on: January 26, 2022, 10:06:11 AM »

Where is Kante on that study?

He's 30 years old, the report is for U23s.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2299 on: January 26, 2022, 10:10:27 AM »
Bentancur is 24.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2300 on: January 26, 2022, 10:12:23 AM »
The data was compiled in May 2021.  It says so at the bottom of the chart.
Bentancur turned 24 in June.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2301 on: January 26, 2022, 10:14:25 AM »
Exactly, so wind yer neck in  ;)

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2302 on: January 26, 2022, 10:15:34 AM »
To be fair it took me upwards of 30 seconds to do the research... :P

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2303 on: January 26, 2022, 10:42:35 AM »
Questions on DMs in general…

Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?

Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?

Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?

If your opponent is using his body toshield the ball you can't always make a clean tackle.

Closing down is not always to do with closing down the ball.

A pass may not be always on, sometimes you have to make space by moving the ball yourself.

What if a "strong" player cannot tackle?

What if a player good at closing down has no awareness of space,

What if a good runner cannot pass?

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2304 on: January 26, 2022, 10:44:14 AM »
Son, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2305 on: January 26, 2022, 10:47:46 AM »
Not sure if Bentancur is exactly what we need but there's quality there and just need to look at Nakamba's immediate improvement under Gerrard if he feels he can do a job for us. The consensus seems to be that he'd be a bargain at 16m so there's not much downside even if it doesn't work out.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2306 on: January 26, 2022, 11:18:47 AM »
Apparently Bentancur was part of the deal that took Tevez to Boca and at that time, he was very highly thought of. He's not lived up to those expectations but he's still been heavily involved.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2307 on: January 26, 2022, 11:34:42 AM »
There's a couple of things that spring to mind with Bentancur.  Questions more than statements, I suppose, because I don't really watch football that doesn't involve the Villa ...

First, how much of him not living up to expectations is actually Juventus not living up to expectations?  We've seen before that if Villa aren't playing as well, a load of players tend to get lumped in with being rubbish too.

Second, related to that, is that he plays in a position (defensive midfielder) where it doesn't really involve spectacular goals or anything of the sort - it's just doing simple things consistently.  Again, how much of that feeds in to the idea that he's not lived up to expectations?

Finally, if he hasn't kicked on - is that something our coaching staff could sort out?  Because to my mind that is our transfer philosophy - increasing players value.  And although buying up youth players is the obvious way to do that, another would be to pick up underperforming players elsewhere and turn them in to over-performing players.

I'm inclined to think that's actually what we did with Jack Grealish.  We played to get the absolute maximum out of the skills he has.  At Man City (& England), he hasn't had that focus on the whole side playing to his individual strengths, and as a result ... I mean, he's still a really good player, but he's not the same player as he was at Villa.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2308 on: January 26, 2022, 11:53:26 AM »
We have to be honest with ourselves and realise that we're not *yet* quite at the point of taking the very best players from elite Champions League teams. So like Coutinho, it's going to be a case of looking for somebody not currently in full favour with their team, but where we think there's the potential to get them back to their best.

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Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
« Reply #2309 on: January 26, 2022, 12:04:03 PM »
I suppose Juve would rather have gotten rid of Ramsey and/or McKennie but there doesn't seem to be many takers. And it sounds like they need to shift *someone* in order to pay for Vlahović. So perhaps this is another smart, opportunistic move by Villa.

 


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