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Title: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2021, 04:14:38 PM
Lets get this going nice and early as we'll probably be linked with all sorts in the next few weeks before the window opens.  Lets start with the obvious lazy Rangers links that will happen.  Morelos? Kent? Hagi? Tavenier?

I imagine the priority will still be a big horrible centre midfielder but I assume an attacking left back will also be looked at?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2021, 04:20:00 PM
I  do not think it will take him long to work out we need more strength in midfield. He will also likely have an eye on some Rangers targets.
I do not see lots of activity, I would expect him to have a little bit of a clear out.
Interesting to see if Newcastle come calling for any of our players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on November 11, 2021, 04:34:08 PM
Xabi Alonso would do nicely…
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
No Rangers players please.

Defensive Central Midfielder.
Left Back.

If as I suspect they held money back in the summer with our negative net spend then hopefully the taps will be back on and we can spend big money on the above two positions.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 05:55:25 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.

Movie pitch: El Santo vs. FC Zombie.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
A proper defensive midfielder would be really, really lovely this January.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.

Movie pitch: El Santo vs. FC Zombie.

Ha! I will approach his estate imminently.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on November 11, 2021, 06:08:59 PM
Two top midfielders please. Will probably have to wait until the end of the season in reality.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
The summer doesn't really cut it. They've been trying to spin this as an ambitious appointment with the profile to attract better players. If we're supposed to make do and mend till May, then we might as well have gone for someone less high profile but with a better managerial record.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2021, 06:35:09 PM
I am more interested in which players will be allowed to leave Villa Park than those being tapped up.  Our youth squad is seen as treasure by clubs who would love to exploit the hiatus created by the departure of Dean Smith.  I do not trust Gary Mac to know shit from Shinola for a start.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 11, 2021, 06:45:51 PM
We'll go big for a midfielder, and I'm not expecting it to be someone under the age of 28.

I think we might go in for a left back too, if for no other reason than we seem a bit short, and unlike on the other flank we've not got a kid ripping up trees there.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on November 11, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Are we considering a bid for anyone or are we preparing one? I want to see clubs' resolves tested.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 06:56:41 PM
Are we considering a bid for anyone or are we preparing one? I want to see clubs' resolves tested.

The club doesn't give much away. It might be worth checking other teams' forums to see whether they're braced for an offer, or maybe even a raid.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Big hard ball playing number 6 with ability on the ball.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2021, 07:49:40 PM
Big hard ball playing number 6 with ability on the ball.
Kevin Richardson type?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 07:55:11 PM
Is Terry Hurlock still playing?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.
Only thing is we did it the otherway round.  No selling us your players while..
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on November 11, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.
He should be a priority.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2021, 08:00:12 PM
Have this from a very reliable source. And apparently our next big signing will be male. You heard it here first .
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 11, 2021, 08:01:35 PM
What is a Warchest ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2021, 08:07:23 PM
What is a Warchest ?


A newcastle fans man boobs
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on November 11, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
Can’t see much business being done in January. It’s the wrong transfer window for many reasons.
He and we could desperately do with a win v Brighton.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 08:56:54 PM
What is a Warchest ?


A newcastle fans man boobs

Very good.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 09:18:23 PM
He will buy a midfielder in Jan. Maybe bring a creative player in loan that he knows.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on November 11, 2021, 09:26:44 PM
Are we considering a bid for anyone or are we preparing one? I want to see clubs' resolves tested.

The club doesn't give much away. It might be worth checking other teams' forums to see whether they're braced for an offer, or maybe even a raid.

It's a little known fact (ie, complete bollocks from me) that chief execs of clubs up and down the land alternate between those lunar module simulators at NASA and decompression chambers.

To avoid being braced beyond all recognition come January.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
What is a Warchest ?


A newcastle fans man boobs

Very good.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:09:21 PM
A decent defensive central midfield enforcer, please. Nakamba the ballerina is just not up to it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
Anyone take Coutinho on loan?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 11, 2021, 10:34:18 PM
A proper defensive midfielder would be really, really lovely this January.

Only real addition needed in January I think.  Might even need two central midfielders really, a 6 and an 8.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
Anyone take Coutinho on loan?

Would be a big punt considering how he is now viewed, apparently pretty lazy. Gerrard did play with him though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 11:55:18 PM
Anyone take Coutinho on loan?

Nope, doesn’t seem to have any hunger to play and contribute. Can see him in Middle East or wherever is paying the most to players with big reputations who can’t be arsed any more

Shame as he’s a fantastic player.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2021, 09:44:36 AM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 12, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.
He should be a priority.

Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 12, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.

or actually have him playing like last year , but we need some cover
A proper defensive midfielder would be really, really lovely this January.

Only real addition needed in January I think.  Might even need two central midfielders really, a 6 and an 8.


yep we dont need alot
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:51:39 AM
It depends on how Targett reacts. He was crap first year in the Premier League, great last year, and back to being crap again. He seems to be suffering as much from Grealish’s departure as Smith did.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on November 12, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It depends on how Targett reacts. He was crap first year in the Premier League, great last year, and back to being crap again. He seems to be suffering as much from Grealish’s departure as Smith did.

Yes they really had a good understanding down the left. Targett's confidence has dropped, which is understandable.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on November 12, 2021, 12:05:50 PM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.

We could try upcycling him... maybe a nice shade of duck egg blue hair and a handlebar moustache?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2021, 12:20:50 PM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.

We could try upcycling him... maybe a nice shade of duck egg blue hair and a handlebar moustache?

It took me a while DrG but I got the joke in the end.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
It depends on how Targett reacts. He was crap first year in the Premier League, great last year, and back to being crap again. He seems to be suffering as much from Grealish’s departure as Smith did.

Yes they really had a good understanding down the left. Targett's confidence has dropped, which is understandable.

It's not helped, but I thought Targett was the one player last season that didn't drop in performance last season when Grealish was out.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 12, 2021, 01:21:55 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.
He should be a priority.

Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)



Bissouma might be otherwise engaged...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
Think like many a defensive midfielder & a left back.

The West Ham & Southampton games illustrated the defensive midfielder role perfectly for me - Nakamba is a willing runner but even though he was one of our better players in those games you compared his ball usage to that of Rice / Soucek / JWP / Romeu it was night and day. 

Targett looked the part when he had Jack in front of him but the way Jack plays in slowing the game down   because opponents are so scared of him gave Targett time to get beyond & contribute….this current run he looks so far off the pace defensively and attacking that we need a proper alternative, with pace!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
Our whole midfield simply has to improve their ball retention. So wasteful in possession.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:01:59 PM
Targett can be brilliant, it's a confidence thing with him I think. He's struggled with the change in formation etc. Plus he's not a wing-back.

I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.

We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
Targett can be brilliant, it's a confidence thing with him I think. He's struggled with the change in formation etc. Plus he's not a wing-back.

I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.

We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Darvelous Lakamba
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.
He should be a priority.

Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)


Careless of Chelsea to have both Rudiger & Christensen's contracts expiring in the summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 02:08:38 PM
Our whole midfield simply has to improve their ball retention. So wasteful in possession.
Definitely. It may, of course, also be an issue of who's ahead of them and what moves they're making to open the game up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2021, 02:09:12 PM
Targett can be brilliant, it's a confidence thing with him I think. He's struggled with the change in formation etc. Plus he's not a wing-back.

I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.

We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Darvelous Lakamba
Not to be mistaken for Mouglas Nuiz - who has the worst attributes of both combined.

Oh no, wait, that's Danny Drinkwater
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:09:18 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:16:11 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
I would, but he'd se us as a big step down unfortunately.  I get the impression he already hates Grealish (never passes to him, never seems to celebrate with him) I think he'd hate the idea of swapping clubs with him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
Can't believe he's only 26. Would be the sort of profile signing that would make people sit up and take notice, but not sure he'd fit into the Gerrard formation.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:18:52 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
I would, but he'd se us as a big step down unfortunately.  I get the impression he already hates Grealish (never passes to him, never seems to celebrate with him) I think he'd hate the idea of swapping clubs with him.

I wonder whether the Gerrard connection would perhaps help swing it..... given he's such a draw...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 02:19:09 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?

All day long. But it won't happen.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:22:14 PM
Can't believe he's only 26. Would be the sort of profile signing that would make people sit up and take notice, but not sure he'd fit into the Gerrard formation.
He'd work well as one of the front 3 I'd have thought, but it would leave us a bit overloaded with Bailey, Traore, Buendia, Watkins and I guess ElGhazi and Trez.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 02:31:31 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?

Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Can't believe he's only 26. Would be the sort of profile signing that would make people sit up and take notice, but not sure he'd fit into the Gerrard formation.
He'd work well as one of the front 3 I'd have thought, but it would leave us a bit overloaded with Bailey, Traore, Buendia, Watkins and I guess ElGhazi and Trez.

He's head and shoulders above any of our options.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:53:12 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?

Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.

In my view, he's the sort of ambitious signing we should be after. The question is, would he come.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?

Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.

In my view, he's the sort of ambitious signing we should be after. The question is, would he come.

No, he wouldn't.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 12, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 03:19:13 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

RS Turbo-ing a 1.3L Ford Escort.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:26:15 PM
Christ, Sterling would be lovely but I think we're a way off that at present. Plus, his international manager has explicitly demonstrated to him that playing for us would be the death-knell of his England career.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
"Having a body that drives women wild is a bit like having a green Ford Cortina Mark 4 - you've either got one or you haven't. And I've got one."

"I haven't"

"Exactly"
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 12, 2021, 03:29:29 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.

I wouldn't get carried away with that. I think the rumours at the start of the summer was that we had £200m to spend. I think after the sales we made we spent minus 15 million.

As long as we get that solid defensive midfielder, a good stand in young goalkeeper and one or two quality new defenders we should improve a lot, whatever it costs.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on November 12, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
Christ, Sterling would be lovely but I think we're a way off that at present. Plus, his international manager has explicitly demonstrated to him that playing for us would be the death-knell of his England career.

It is ok, Southgate loves us now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:37:42 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.

I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:40:21 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.

I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.

Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.

I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.

Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.

We've been one proper midfielder away from glory for much of the near 40 years I've been watching us. Indeed, that player is now managing us.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 03:43:00 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:45:03 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.

I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.

Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.

We've been one proper midfielder away from glory for much of the near 40 years I've been watching us. Indeed, that player is now managing us.

Reckon I'd still have him in there over Ash.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I'd have looked at Craig Shakespeare in the middle in front of Ash, bless him, he was shite in there when he convinced Houllier to play him there years ago.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 04:19:48 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.

I'd almost certainly agree, but you never know.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
In the last couple of transfer windows we have left ourselves in our forward position and now this summer in central midfield. We have to do a better job of that going forward. Our kids are going to be great but they are likely at least a year away from being regulars at PL level. We need proven footballers. Don’t need thugs. Just need players who can win and keep possession, and provide a presence that helps us during transition both ways.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.

So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.
Good,
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on November 12, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
All these contracts expire next summer so should be available in January for a reasonable fee. Transfermarkt values :

Pogba 54m
Kessie AC Milan 49m
Insigne Napoli 43m
Christensen Chelsea 31m
Brozovic Inter 25m
Lingard Man Utd 21m
Di Maria PSG 18m
Suarez Athletico 14m
Azpilacueta Chelsea 12m
Origi Liverpool 11m
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 05:53:18 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.
I read somewhere he wanted to go play in Europe.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2021, 09:49:01 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.

Think Gerrard will love SJM tbh. Probably hears from Rangers players all the time how good he is for Scotland and really at his best he's a lesser version of how Gerrard played the role.

Again though it's same as the summer, sign a better standard DM who can win the ball and hold their position and give Luiz and SJM more licence to play higher up the pitch. We saw glimpses of that away to likes of Chelsea and Man. United in September so that's what I expect from Feb onwards in the Gerrard interpretation of 4-3-3.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 11:03:20 PM
I too love McGinn, but he needs more focus and more definition in his role. More competition would help that I think.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on November 12, 2021, 11:22:35 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....

If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.
I read somewhere he wanted to go play in Europe.

So he's happy where he is then?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 12:40:13 AM
Minimum.

3 x world class defensive midfielders.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 12:42:12 AM
I too love McGinn, but he needs more focus and more definition in his role. More competition would help that I think.
Just needs a good defensive midfielder or two behind him. So he can feel to run riot.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tony scott on November 13, 2021, 06:57:40 AM
It could be argued that our central defenders should be the strongest part of the team because DS was a central defender himself. However that’s questionable I think we may have the same problem with SG thinking he’ll strengthen the midfield because he played in that position.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on November 13, 2021, 07:02:02 AM
Someone like Oriol Romeu (injured for the season sadly) would definitely do a job in our midfield. A bit of steel and quality. January is a hard time to buy especially if we are still bouncing around the bottom
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 13, 2021, 07:26:58 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2021, 07:29:04 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?

£50m, but to them? £150m
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:32:17 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
if Maguire was £80mil, then I'd take £75mil for Mings - they're loaded.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 13, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
if Maguire was £80mil, then I'd take £75mil for Mings - they're loaded.

Offered anything over £50 it would be very hard to say no you'd think.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: passport1 on November 13, 2021, 08:43:28 AM
I imagine SG is making sure his tank is fully fulled so that he can drive him there himself if they offer anything north of £50m.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2021, 08:43:37 AM
Nah we don’t sell our captain to the new money boys. Irrespective of what you think of his qualities optically it looks like we’re there for the taking.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 13, 2021, 08:46:43 AM
Of the list there, Brozovic wouldn’t be a bad signing for CM.

Sell Mings for a load to Newcastle and have Christensen

May as well get Insigne and Lingaard too
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on November 13, 2021, 08:54:18 AM
Don't understand the criticism of mings. He was the best available for the money paid and crucially willing to come to us. We're critising him now on where we are, not where we were when we signed which is wrong. It's like having a League 1 side get back to back promotions then slating them same players for not cutting in the prem just because they've hit their ceiling (exaggerating a point to make a point). All that said, I think he top centre half is now on the lost alongside a top defensive midfielder. I wouldn't go panic stations regarding left back yet bit certainly an area of concern. Surprised that we haven't tried mings there at any point.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on November 13, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Stirling would not come to us and Mings would not want to go to Newcastle. Move on.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
Sounds like press bobbins. Didn't Mings join us because he couldn't get a game under Howe. If you ask me Newcastle need a marauding enforcer type with the flair to break forward when the opportunity presents itself, so i'm bracing myself for a 70m bid for Marvelous.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2021, 08:56:57 AM


Offered anything over £50 it would be very hard to say no you'd think.

A bit harsh but on current form probably right! 😉
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on November 13, 2021, 09:48:52 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 09:55:35 AM
If they come in for Nakamba I think we should break the picket line.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 13, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?

From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.



Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?

From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.





Didnt he pick up a bad injury there before he came here on loan?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2021, 10:51:30 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?

From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.





Didnt he pick up a bad injury there before he came here on loan?

Yes, he was injured for ages, which is why despite his age he's still relatively inexperienced at this level. It was one of those occasions where you pick up a player higher than your current level because he's either had injury problems in the past, or has fallen out with his current manager or whatever.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 13, 2021, 11:00:43 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.
I would give that as much as a snowball in hell.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 11:12:58 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.
I would give that as much as a snowball in hell.

yeah.

"Hi this is Amanda, we're quite interested in buying one of your players"

"I'm sorry, but at the moment with us being in Europe and fighting for CL qualification there is no way we can sanction selling any of our squad. We don't think we have the strength in depth in key positions and furthermore......

"Phil Jones. 5m"

"…..but there's always exceptions. Cash or card?"
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 11:29:53 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.
Or the opposite, every club should sell their players at a ridiculous price - say £90mil for Nakamba
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 11:57:42 AM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 12:02:03 PM
That's really the point with going for a big name instead of experience. Its a bit meh having someone who can attract better players if there's no money to buy them unless we're going to pay them with Steven G merchandise.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 12:02:47 PM
That's really the point with going for a big name instead of experience. Its a bit meh having someone who can attract better players if there's no money to buy them unless we're going to pay them with Steven G merchandise.
that's how we pay Purslow
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
heh.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2021, 01:23:33 PM
I think this idea that we’ve only got £5m FFP wiggle room emanated from a Daily Heil article which has been proven to be absolute bollocks so I wouldn’t put any store by this mythical £5m figure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2021, 01:28:32 PM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?

From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.





He did play for them one season fairly regularly but then got injured plus they obviously knew it was good business to cash in.

I read a while back Newcastle wanted Tarkowski from Burnley so that's the sort of signing that would drag Burnley a bit closer to relegation.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 02:15:49 PM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.

Trez plus AEG plus  Nakamba.  There is £3.50 right there.   
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2021, 03:02:12 PM
Sell Nakamba, Hause and AEG to Norwich for a combined £35m; that'll do.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.

Trez plus AEG plus  Nakamba.  There is £3.50 right there.   
that's wishful thinking
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: NorthYvillan on November 13, 2021, 04:15:32 PM
We haven't got the squad strength in defence to sell our captain to anyone - let alone Newcastle, a team who could be a rival in a relegation battle if things don't go according to expectations/hopes.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 13, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
I'm still not sure who else actually abides by 'FFP' rules, or what they are exactly.   It seems like such an abstract thing that is used to sell news stories: "Oooh, Villa will have to abide by some rules that will prevent them from buying x player which will naturally lead to relegation", or "Oooh, Villa are going to spend £200m, but what about FFP those scoundrels").  There is never any analysis or factual reportage on what the rules are, when they were breached and why.  Which makes me think it's all a load of old bollocks.

If we abided by FFP, would we be the first massive / mega-rich club (that wasn't going bust) to actually do so?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
I'm still not sure who else actually abides by 'FFP' rules, or what they are exactly.   It seems like such an abstract thing that is used to sell news stories: "Oooh, Villa will have to abide by some rules that will prevent them from buying x player which will naturally lead to relegation", or "Oooh, Villa are going to spend £200m, but what about FFP those scoundrels").  There is never any analysis or factual reportage on what the rules are, when they were breached and why.  Which makes me think it's all a load of old bollocks.

If we abided by FFP, would we be the first massive / mega-rich club (that wasn't going bust) to actually do so?

The only people who've broken the rule were Man Shitty a few years back and were hauled over the coals given a fine and a smallish transfer ban (?) by UEFA which they then got overturned because they can afford better lawyers! I think a few clubs Bournemouth may have been one have been fined by the EFL for shenanigans in the championship. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on November 13, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
Glen Kamara being linked, is he an upgrade ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 13, 2021, 06:49:52 PM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?
Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 13, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.

Trez plus AEG plus  Nakamba.  There is £3.50 right there.   
that's wishful thinking

What's Hause done?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.

Trez plus AEG plus  Nakamba.  There is £3.50 right there.   
that's wishful thinking

What's Hause done?
Dunno.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2021, 07:10:40 PM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?
Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...

I memtioned earlier that I've seen another saying we've £205m to play with. The one by that liverpudlian academic that says about us having only £5m I think also says the only club with an even smaller budget is Newcastle, who I'm pretty sure, thanks to their previous owner's renowned parsimony, actually have quite some leeway in the market.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
if we got away with FFP before then I can't see it being an issue now
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 09:50:21 PM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?
Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...
Phew, thanks for the correction , hope you’re right, would love more signings and some moved on again, especially as board want to see consistent improvements
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 14, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
Glen Kamara and Ryan Kent. Hold onto your hats, this is gonna be a rollercoaster of being linked with the top footballers in European football.  8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
Lazy journalism I suspect. Kent especially, why on earth would we need a winger.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 14, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
yeah I'm more disappointed by the inference by the press that we'll buying in the bargain basement. What's wrong with some lazy journalism involving top players?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 14, 2021, 01:52:53 PM
As far as I understand it, and I'm always wrong, FFP is only relevant in the Championship (and the rest of the EFL) and in European competitions.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2021, 02:33:01 PM
I suspect Kent is linked because he followed Gerrard from Liverpool and seems to do well for him. Trez and AEG are likely to go..

Kamara, well everyone wants another midfielder .....



Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 06:56:54 AM
Being linked with Lingard now.. I take it back. Lets have another look at those Rangers players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 07:28:16 AM
Karama is actually a decent player id be hapoy with him.

Kent isnt a improvement on what we have.

Gerrards a huge name in the game he can attract top players here
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on November 15, 2021, 07:37:03 AM
Lingard for the Hammers, please
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on November 15, 2021, 07:50:33 AM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard?  Don't think I would.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Kamara you're shopping in the Nakamba market. Could come off but is the SPL more of a dead cert than the Dutch or Belgium league for quality? I'd hope we'd be looking at better
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard?  Don't think I would.

So who we dropping and what formation? He's an Attacking centre midfielder mainly so its getting a bit crowded in there. Man U have the same problem as us as they have either bobbins (McFred) or attacking midfielders/wingers so i'm not surprised they want to cash in.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 08:23:30 AM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard?  Don't think I would.

Id take lingard definitely

Id sell AEG and trez
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 08:43:10 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.

yep not sure sure how that would go down with the bean counters, replacing a 30m pound player in 3 months. Mind he could go with the 4-2-3-1 (spit) and play him in the middle with Buendia on the right and bailey on the left and then we could try another way of letting the opposition run through our midfield
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on November 15, 2021, 08:53:35 AM
Will he play Ings and Watkins together?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 09:15:35 AM
Well Mr. Gerrard seems to have a preference for playing South American drug barons up front, so if Ollie's prepared to get tatted up, a severe haircut and practice looking menacing in the mirror I think he'll get the gig. Ings - 25m to Burnley in January to make room for Defoe.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 10:50:52 AM
Well Mr. Gerrard seems to have a preference for playing South American drug barons up front, so if Ollie's prepared to get tatted up, a severe haircut and practice looking menacing in the mirror I think he'll get the gig. Ings - 25m to Burnley in January to make room for Defoe.

Ings has already got that in fairness, though they both sound like nice, well rounded young men when they talk.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 10:55:54 AM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on November 15, 2021, 11:00:14 AM
Interesting that he mentioned in his first interview how they need to 'focus on what they have in the building' for the next 6 weeks. I'm assuming that means until the transfer window opens, and I'm taking it as a hint of some incomings in January.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:24:18 AM
Kamara you're shopping in the Nakamba market. Could come off but is the SPL more of a dead cert than the Dutch or Belgium league for quality? I'd hope we'd be looking at better

He plays alright for Finland in fairness and think he's got more of a physical edge and better positioning than Nakamba.

Perhaps not a long term solution at DM for where we want to go but I'd be o.k getting him in Jan as starter for rest of the season and then he goes back to a sub option next season.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:25:50 AM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 11:26:46 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.
Flash in the pan player, can have his moments. Also the off field issues are a worry.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 15, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.
I think we don't need a lot of players, for me the ones that come in need to be Marked improvements on what we have
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.

Aye, you could be right. Whether Watkins is going to live with seeing his England chances go down the pan is another thing. Two months on the bench and he could be off in January.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 15, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.

Sounds about right though, if so, I hope Ollie can be a success out wide. We need to find a way to accommodate them both that works - they are great players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.

Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 15, 2021, 01:02:23 PM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard?  Don't think I would.

Id take lingard definitely

Id sell AEG and trez

was just going to post this especially for the cost with his contact going.  His stats for WH was brilliant.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2021, 01:11:14 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.

You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on November 15, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Ollie Watkins would be my first choice every time.  A bit off form at the moment but I have no doubt it will return.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.

You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.

Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.

You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.

Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.

I'd rather have an 8/10 every week than a 6/10 and 10/10 split without knowing which week would be which.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.

You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.

Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.

I'd rather have an 8/10 every week than a 6/10 and 10/10 split without knowing which week would be which.

I'd rather a 7/10 each week in all honesty, though I'm a boring fucker.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on November 15, 2021, 02:26:32 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.

You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.

When Lingard first went on loan to West ham he had a fantastic start much to our dismay but then he seemed to fizzle out.
If hes interested perhaps Gerrard and our new coaches think that they could get some consistency out of him?

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:37:07 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.

Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.
There's a lot of things to like about Watkins, but at times his finishing is woeful.

I'd see Ings as our main striker with Wakins either wide (which in the narrow systerm Gerrard plays he could be perfect for) or back up
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2021, 02:40:57 PM
Watkins just needs confidence. Hasn't he scored as many in the league as Ings this season? I think he'll get the nod due to being a bit faster and more athletic than Ings.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
Ollie Watkins would be my first choice every time.  A bit off form at the moment but I have no doubt it will return.

If somebody can help Ollie improve his first touch we'll have a 20+ goalscorer on our hands. His pressing will be much appreciated by Gerrard, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 02:46:13 PM
Be interesting to see what Gerrard does with those two. Watkins is a lot more mobile, but if he’s not being fed by precision balls from Grealish his finishing isn’t great. Ings is much more clinical, but offers a lot less running and pressing. If he can get Bailey and Buendia fit and up to speed in the front three, I’ve a feeling it might be Watkins who misses out.  We’ll see.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 02:50:51 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then  ;)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
Being able to pick a front 3 from Bailey, Ings, Buendia, Watkins, Traore, Bidace is pretty exciting.  IF we can get and keep them fit that it.  I think we can afford to move ElGhazi, Traore Trezuget & Davis on.  I can't see them featuring much now.

edit - I meant to say I think Trez can move on, I still have high hopes for Traore
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:57:46 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then  ;)

Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to.  And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.

Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 15, 2021, 03:01:51 PM
Id more Trez and Anwar on before Bertie .
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then  ;)

Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to.  And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.

Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.


He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 15, 2021, 03:08:59 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then  ;)

Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to.  And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.

Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.

I fear we are backing the wrong horse if we pick Ings ahead of Watkins for the central role.  I could see him seeking a move if that was the case  My hope is that Gerrard can successfully sell - and execute tactically - the wide position as the Salah role rather him seeing it as being dropped/demoted.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 03:20:42 PM

He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player.  I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it.  Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week.  He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.

In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances.  It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save.  Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 03:22:00 PM

He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player.  I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it.  Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week.  He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.

In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances.  It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him.  Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.

Take your point but if something's not broke why fix it? Especially when the fix is injury prone and 4 years older. It's like moving Konsa to fullback to make room for someone else. It's not like there wasn't areas in the first team that do need improvement.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2021, 03:43:58 PM

He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player.  I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it.  Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week.  He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.

In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances.  It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save.  Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.

2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 03:54:35 PM

He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player.  I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it.  Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week.  He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.

In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances.  It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save.  Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.

2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.

The Firmino role needs someone that can play with their backs to goal and they need to be strong, and goals are not so important as the main threat is from the other two.

It will be the making of Keinan Davis.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 04:01:04 PM
Being able to pick a front 3 from Bailey, Ings, Buendia, Watkins, Traore, Bidace is pretty exciting.  IF we can get and keep them fit that it.  I think we can afford to move ElGhazi, Traore & Davis on.  I can't see them featuring much now.

It's the fitness thing that's the issue. For large parts of the season so far we've had at least half of them out at a time.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 04:02:52 PM

He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player.  I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it.  Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week.  He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.

In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances.  It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save.  Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.

2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.

The Firmino role needs someone that can play with their backs to goal and they need to be strong, and goals are not so important as the main threat is from the other two.

It will be the making of Keinan Davis.

My guess is that is exactly why Smith persisted with him. And why I hope we keep him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 04:06:42 PM
I was being a little bit tongue in cheek, but I do like the kid, and stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 04:17:15 PM
Maybe he could persuade Milner to return for a dual player/erm Assistant Lead Sports scientist Analysis coach role? You can't have enough coaches I reckon.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 04:24:37 PM
Davis would possibly have a slim chance if he wasn't permanently inured. But he is, so he has no chance, sadly. Too many good youngsters coming through, like Archer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 15, 2021, 05:07:35 PM
Maybe he could persuade Milner to return for a dual player/erm Assistant Lead Sports scientist Analysis coach role? You can't have enough coaches I reckon.
Was wondering, is there a maximum number of coaches you're allowed? Could we have, like, 30k "coaches" and turn every match in to a defacto home game, for example?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 15, 2021, 06:05:59 PM
2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.
I think it'll more likely be 2 from Buendia, Traore, Archer and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles; with Ings or Watkins in the Firmino role; although I'm not sure Watkins would be smart or quick enough for it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix

Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area

The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 15, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix

Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area

The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted


I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix

Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area

The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted


I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.

I don’t think they’re anywhere near good enough technically but we’ll have to wait and see what Gerard thinks I suppose

I’d be very surprised if he sees Hause and to Tuanzebe as the future and I think need replacing, Konsa is okay but Mings needs to up his game a couple of levels imo
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: charlatan on November 15, 2021, 07:33:14 PM
Maybe he could persuade Milner to return for a dual player/erm Assistant Lead Sports scientist Analysis coach role? You can't have enough coaches I reckon.
Was wondering, is there a maximum number of coaches you're allowed? Could we have, like, 30k "coaches" and turn every match in to a defacto home game, for example?
Our players appear confused enough as it is!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard?  Don't think I would.
I'd have him - proved at West Ham what he can do. He'd be a better option than Traore - who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
However, I think we need a commanding centre back and a DM more.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on November 15, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix

Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area

The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted


I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.
For me the problem is in midfield.It's easy to pass out from the back if the midfield players provide a choice of passes.The real technical skill comes in midfield where very accurate short passing can  bypass the opposition.Buendia and Doug have that ability.
Too often our outball has been to the full back who gets  blocked in on the touchline.Grealish was the means of unblocking this congestion.Southgate's England have the same problem.Midfielders are often too far from the ball and not close enough to one another.This is more a tactical problem rather than one of personnel.
Smith sometimes picked a midfield that was poor at regaining possession or in its defensive work,especially wide players not tracking back.Getting the balance in midfield is key for us and an upgrade on Nakamba should be the priority.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 08:31:04 PM
Would be wild if, with Watkins and Ings available, Gerrard put Buendia as a false 9. Don't think that's at all likely as it happens, but I do think that Buendia is almost tailor-made for Gerrard's two-10s system from Rangers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 10:21:23 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.

Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.

He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.

Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.

Yeah all that was in 20-21, not this season though. Aside from two nice close range finishes Ollie has struggled so far.

Ings hasn't been that good either tbh in general play which has been disappointing but I'd say he'll be one of those players that finds extra 5-10% with who we've appointed as manager and he's not as easy to fit into a 4-3-3 so to me he simply starts as CF.

Only way other than pushing Ollie out wide would be 4-3-1-2 but then we just bench all our wide players so can't see that happening.

Wouldn't be a huge shock if manager favours player he's worked with before anyway so if Ings is fit he starts upfront on Saturday and we certainly won't be playing 3-5-2.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: oldhill_avfc on November 16, 2021, 08:30:16 AM
Ollie has been mor3 impressive than Ings
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
Being linked with Patterson now. Another obvious though logical lazy journalist punt I think. Added points for playing as nearly as many games for Scotland than he's managed for Rangers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villa for life on November 16, 2021, 08:49:30 AM
So many of our problems are/were down to Smith asking McGinn to play a defensive role.

We’ve forgotten how good he can be. He was our star player at on point with the big boys starting to get interested and fees of 60-80 million being bandied about. It all changed when Smith asked him to take on the role of defensive midfielder.

He still plays very close if not part of the front three for Scotland and you can see what results they are getting. More often than not, McGinn is named man or one of the men of the match. My greatest wish is for Gerrard to notice Smith’s error and once again put him much further forward, as Gerrard himself used to play.

Luiz is much better at defending, but he also has or used to have a tendency to get forward. Such an imbalanced squad which can’t solely be blamed on Smith. I often wonder if Cash couldn’t do a better job as a defensive midfielder. Pity we let guilbert go out on loan otherwise we could try it..
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 08:54:51 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 16, 2021, 09:02:43 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 09:10:18 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.

yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on November 16, 2021, 09:12:09 AM
Gerrard wil see JM as an attacking midfielder which he should have been all along. The defence is fine as a last line but when you have a piss weak midfield and an un co-odinated forward set up that allows the opposition the space and time it's no wonder they get over run and then we start blaming them.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 16, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.

yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor

I can say this with 100% certainty now: Dean doesn't sign the players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 09:20:53 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.

yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor

I can say this with 100% certainty now: Dean doesn't sign the players.

heh. Yeah and that worried the hell out of me tbh. And still worries me. NOT a fan of that way of doing things.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 16, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on November 16, 2021, 06:25:36 PM
We have had the guy on loan how many times on loan and never signed him
Having him and young as backups to their respective positions made sense to me
But not trying to fit them into the 1st 11
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 08:03:42 PM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.
not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 17, 2021, 09:20:02 AM
I think the current back 4 would be fine if we had midfielders who can manage the transition from defence better: look at the game at Arse and the times McGinn got caught 35 yds from our goal, facing to our goal and under pressure. Sure, Luiz is good in that situation and maybe Sanson is too; but we need 3 midfielders (with adequate replacements in the squad) to play out as Smith seemed to want us to.
The other issue in playing out from the back is that the midfielders need better movement around them, so that the next pass is immediately on: the whole approach requires a pass-and-move mentality. This season we have lacked that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on November 17, 2021, 09:57:15 AM
For me the problem is in midfield.It's easy to pass out from the back if the midfield players provide a choice of passes.The real technical skill comes in midfield where very accurate short passing can  bypass the opposition.Buendia and Doug have that ability.
Too often our outball has been to the full back who gets  blocked in on the touchline.Grealish was the means of unblocking this congestion.Southgate's England have the same problem.Midfielders are often too far from the ball and not close enough to one another.This is more a tactical problem rather than one of personnel.
Smith sometimes picked a midfield that was poor at regaining possession or in its defensive work,especially wide players not tracking back.Getting the balance in midfield is key for us and an upgrade on Nakamba should be the priority.


Spot on. This is how I see it too.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 17, 2021, 10:02:14 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.
not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
It's all very well with hindsight, but Smith had seen him play in the real world multiple times and was happy with him as backup - I'd take his view over internet Man U fans who now seem to be watching training.  What costs us, Smith and Axel was the unsettled formation and trying to force the disasterous 3 at the back.  And that is on Smith.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 17, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.
I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.

Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.
not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
It's all very well with hindsight, but Smith had seen him play in the real world multiple times and was happy with him as backup - I'd take his view over internet Man U fans who now seem to be watching training.  What costs us, Smith and Axel was the unsettled formation and trying to force the disasterous 3 at the back.  And that is on Smith.
its not internet , I know them and they have close connections with the club.
He has been pretty shit from the start alongside Mings. The point being he has not been on form for some times and Smith gambled with him and the formation.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
So far, I think I'm right in saying we've been linked with Rangers' Left Back, Right Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and Striker. Kamara being the main link I think. The media really is so very lazy.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on November 17, 2021, 10:28:21 AM
Did Gerrard bring any Liverpool youth players to Rangers? That would have been pretty logical - players that he knew, who needed first team experience at a lower level, Rangers could have used them, wins all round. If he didn't do that, indicating no particular attachment to players he knows in recruitment (over which he does not have full control at Villa anyway), what are the chances he'll do it at Villa? Bringing in players from a lower level, in positions already crowded with talent? Strikes me as unlikely.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
Did Gerrard bring any Liverpool youth players to Rangers? That would have been pretty logical - players that he knew, who needed first team experience at a lower level, Rangers could have used them, wins all round. If he didn't do that, indicating no particular attachment to players he knows in recruitment (over which he does not have full control at Villa anyway), what are the chances he'll do it at Villa? Bringing in players from a lower level, in positions already crowded with talent? Strikes me as unlikely.

Ryan Kent went there under him but I think that's it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 17, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
Liverpool's kids didn't look too much cop when our kids beat them in the Youth Cup Final.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 17, 2021, 10:34:37 AM
So far, I think I'm right in saying we've been linked with Rangers' Left Back, Right Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and Striker. Kamara being the main link I think. The media really is so very lazy.

Yes come on lads, where are the links to the central defenders?!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Did Gerrard bring any Liverpool youth players to Rangers? That would have been pretty logical - players that he knew, who needed first team experience at a lower level, Rangers could have used them, wins all round. If he didn't do that, indicating no particular attachment to players he knows in recruitment (over which he does not have full control at Villa anyway), what are the chances he'll do it at Villa? Bringing in players from a lower level, in positions already crowded with talent? Strikes me as unlikely.

Ryan Kent went there under him but I think that's it.

3-4 others on loan in the first year or so under him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on November 17, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
I think the current back 4 would be fine if we had midfielders who can manage the transition from defence better: look at the game at Arse and the times McGinn got caught 35 yds from our goal, facing to our goal and under pressure. Sure, Luiz is good in that situation and maybe Sanson is too; but we need 3 midfielders (with adequate replacements in the squad) to play out as Smith seemed to want us to.
The other issue in playing out from the back is that the midfielders need better movement around them, so that the next pass is immediately on: the whole approach requires a pass-and-move mentality. This season we have lacked that.
Exactly. With limited options to pass to the midfield, the cb’s look to the fullbacks. At least Joe could carry the ball or attract the opposition which left space for Targett. This season they look up, see the opposition and then turn back inside to the cb’s.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 17, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
It's very hard to judge anything from Gerrard's transfer dealings at Rangers to be honest. When your budget is about 10m in a good summer he's obviously scraping around trying all routes. Free transfers, kids, hopeful punts from minor leagues.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 17, 2021, 11:07:51 AM
Patterson would make sense in fairness.

Scored a nice goal for Scotland the other day and is pretty highly rated. I remember we were linked to Aaron Hickey the other summer and he's playing really well in Serie A for Bologna.

We need better back up at full back areas especially as Targett has lost a bit of confidence again and is putting in mediocre performances (Cash been better but he gets injured and we have to stick a CB there).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on November 17, 2021, 11:11:22 AM
There's still talk that Lange wants to bring Hickey in. AC Milan also linked with him though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 17, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
Patterson & Barisic are the only 2 I'd consider having from Rangers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 17, 2021, 11:34:35 AM
Patterson & Barisic are the only 2 I'd consider having from Rangers.

Yeah wouldn't shock me. Barsic is regular for Croatia so experienced and think he can play CB or LB so those low cost signings who can cover a few positions are never bad options when regulars like Targett are bang out of form.

Baffling one would be signing Morelos for 20m +. Would make no sense given we are struggling to get two CFs working effectively and he isn't better than either. Unless Watkins wants to go in January but I'd find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 17, 2021, 12:23:21 PM
Patterson would be a good signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
I'd say Barisic is highly unlikely given he's 29 and has never played in a top league, he doesn't meet any of the criteria they seem to favour when signing players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on November 17, 2021, 11:26:45 PM
I’d just like a player who isn’t made of glass for a change.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on November 18, 2021, 07:59:08 AM
I’d just like a player who isn’t made of glass for a change.


we even managed to turn Concrete Ron into a massive sponge pudding
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
We need 2 much bigger, stronger, positionally aware midfielders. I suspect McGinn will be used as a narrow 10 longer term, alongside someone like Buendia or Watkins
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 19, 2021, 02:05:29 AM
We need 2 much bigger, stronger, positionally aware midfielders. I suspect McGinn will be used as a narrow 10 longer term, alongside someone like Buendia or Watkins

I too suspect this for McGinn, moving him nearer to the role he has for Scotland. Competition will be fierce for those 2 spots, mind. Hopefully see more of Chuk in the middle then.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on November 19, 2021, 07:06:04 AM
Supposedly we are interested in Goldson the Rangers centre back
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 08:03:13 AM
Hmmm. Out of contract this summer as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 19, 2021, 10:23:15 AM
Supposedly we are interested in Goldson the Rangers centre back
Journalists are going to consistently link us with Rangers players - it's an easy lazy link.  I doubt anybody knows if we'll be in for any of them right now, Gerrard probably hasn't even made his mind up himself.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 19, 2021, 10:28:32 AM
Goldson is very very average, didn't do much at Brighton so would be disappointed in that as he's not really better than Hause with his profile who's mainly a back up CB for us.

That type of signing would be a bit of a worry for me, if there's any truth in it of course.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 10:56:30 AM
RB, LB, CM, S and now CB linked from Rangers. Honestly.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 11:04:59 AM
Goldson is very very average, didn't do much at Brighton so would be disappointed in that as he's not really better than Hause with his profile who's mainly a back up CB for us.

That type of signing would be a bit of a worry for me, if there's any truth in it of course.

Had a heart defect at Brighton I think. Dunno. I don't really know enough about him. Is he comfortable on the ball to fit Gerrard's possession ideas? Out of contract in the summer so cheap back-up if he doesn't fancy Tuanzebe or maybe Mings. Local lad too
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 19, 2021, 11:18:18 AM
I don't think there's a huge amount in it.  It sounds like we've got £100m-£150m to spend over the next couple of transfer windows, and we're being linked with out-of-contract Rangers players who are generally seen as 'alright as a 4th choice centre back'.  When we've not shown any interest before, and our transfer policy is at least partially decided by Johan Lange.

I just don't see it happening.  Think it's more likely we'll possibly bring in a player or two in January if they seem good value, but mostly go for buying 3-4 players in the £30m-£40m range in the summer.  Think Target, Mings, and Nakamba will be highlighted as being players to be moved in to more 'backup' roles.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
I don't think there's a huge amount in it.  It sounds like we've got £100m-£150m to spend over the next couple of transfer windows, and we're being linked with out-of-contract Rangers players who are generally seen as 'alright as a 4th choice centre back'.  When we've not shown any interest before, and our transfer policy is at least partially decided by Johan Lange.

I just don't see it happening.  Think it's more likely we'll possibly bring in a player or two in January if they seem good value, but mostly go for buying 3-4 players in the £30m-£40m range in the summer.  Think Target, Mings, and Nakamba will be highlighted as being players to be moved in to more 'backup' roles.

Yeah that's the worry for me. We need people now especially with the likes of Newcastle looking to improve their squad in January. I read what Lange said, which was basically "May look at transfers blah blah, haven't spoken to Gerrard about it blah blah, working to improve the existing players blah blah". Not inspiring. I just wonder if he hasn't got the clout to get someone in when he's just joined the club, i'd be a bit worried about them backing him when/if the going gets rough.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
'd like to see us linked with Ellyes Skhiri at Koln. Defensive midfielder, works his tits off, has a decent scoring record and has played centre half and right back so gives us cover in other positions as well.

He's pretty big, strong, quick, has a decent range of passing and is happy to carry the ball forward.

Also a regular for Tunisia so shouldn't be a problem with a work permit , he was looking for a move in the summer and getting linked to some good teams but nothing came from it. Think he's been loosely linked to West Ham recently as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.
Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 12:05:03 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.
Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?

It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.
Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.
Apart from Buendia, Bidace and AEG; you're right!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 19, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder.  A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.

Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 19, 2021, 02:45:48 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder.  A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.

Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.

I'm sure it did too.

We may also be looking for a left back, depending on how Targett gets on in the next 5-6 games in Gerrards system.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on November 19, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder.  A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.

Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.


2 Centre halves ( ball plain if possible) to put pressure on Mings and Konsa
i’ll reckon he’ll address this first

Hause needs to be moved on as he is not good enough on the ball to even be a good backup (thanks for the Man United goal and all that)
Axel isn’t even ours so it doesn’t count

Buying a DM unless they are in the class of Rice Philips Kante etc Will make very little difference and you DM Obsessive guys will continue calling for the mythical DM
We’ve already got plenty of mids that can do that job Unless you’re going to spend 100 million on a proper one



Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on November 19, 2021, 07:35:05 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.
Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.
Apart from Buendia, Bidace and AEG; you're right!

One of those is OK but not brilliant and one is still very young and untested. I think having 'Concrete' Traore and Bailey means we need a senior winger who can play a few matches in a row. They appear to me to be a waste of fucking space as, however good they are, they don't actually play actual matches.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder.  A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.

Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.


That and the signing of Ings.  We definitely needed a player to compete with watkins but Ings is a replacement sort of signing.  Ings is quality player but we now don’t have a clue what our formation is.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 19, 2021, 08:25:12 PM
Buendia will surely play mostly wide in the Gerrard 4-3-3 so that's another consistant wide option to add to the mix now.

Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2021, 03:33:07 AM
Buendia will surely play mostly wide in the Gerrard 4-3-3 so that's another consistant wide option to add to the mix now.

Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.

My understanding is that
SG does not play forwards in wide positions.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 07:35:04 AM
They're inside forwards essentially. He plays like Liverpool.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 20, 2021, 07:39:49 AM
They're inside forwards essentially. He plays like Liverpool.
if the wide players play narrow, and the full backs bomb on and provide the width, then we're going to need to be solid in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 07:58:19 AM
They're inside forwards essentially. He plays like Liverpool.
if the wide players play narrow, and the full backs bomb on and provide the width, then we're going to need to be solid in the middle of the park.

We are, but you do that a few ways. Pressing and constricting the space higher up the pitch is part of that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on November 21, 2021, 11:29:34 AM
Smash our transfer record and get Bissouma please. Whatever the cost, he’s worth it.

Unfortunately probably not a realistic target though, as he has said himself he wants to be the best in the world in his position. Pretty sure he will be champions league next season. Oh well, let’s see what January brings.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on November 21, 2021, 02:14:43 PM
Smash our transfer record and get Bissouma please. Whatever the cost, he’s worth it.

Unfortunately probably not a realistic target though, as he has said himself he wants to be the best in the world in his position. Pretty sure he will be champions league next season. Oh well, let’s see what January brings.

He could be serving time at her majesty's pleasure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
Huh?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on November 21, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
He's on bail after being accused of sexual assault.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
Buendia will surely play mostly wide in the Gerrard 4-3-3 so that's another consistant wide option to add to the mix now.

Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.

Mentioned in post match thread

I wouldn’t consider getting rid of AEG.
A great squad player.
Maybe not a starter for us, but he’s a player who will influence a game when he comes on.
Will always look for the ball, isn’t afraid to take players on and is certainly a goal threat.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on November 21, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Don't think we'll be in the market for Bissmouma.

But should definitely be looking at that sort of player.

Denis Zakaria at Monchengladbach, Mangala at Stuttgart and Emre Can at Dortmund (with the inevitable Liverpool/ SG connection) could all fit the bill.

Kamara at Marseille, Thuram or Lemina at Nice if we were feeling brave enough to raid Ligue 1 again.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 21, 2021, 03:53:56 PM
I feel like El Ghazi could thrive under Gerrard, as he seems to play much better in the channel and around the box. More of an inside forward.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 21, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
I feel like El Ghazi could thrive under Gerrard, as he seems to play much better in the channel and around the box. More of an inside forward.

Something in that. He perhaps isn’t quick enough to play as a true wide player but i can see him getting more chances than Dean gave him
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2021, 06:00:51 PM
I always thought Emre Can was a good player.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
I always thought Emre Can was a good player.

Yup, but slower than glacial melt these days
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 21, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
I feel like El Ghazi could thrive under Gerrard, as he seems to play much better in the channel and around the box. More of an inside forward.

Something in that. He perhaps isn’t quick enough to play as a true wide player but i can see him getting more chances than Dean gave him
Yeah, have to say that I have a gut feeling that AEG will be quite an important player, maybe not as a first choice starter but as an option off the bench. Think the Gerrard-style 4-3-3 will really suit him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
I always thought Emre Can was a good player.

Yup, but slower than glacial melt these days

Is he really?  Shame, as he seems to have the right attributes that we are looking for.  Apart from pace of course!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2021, 07:04:28 PM
Danny Drinkwater it is then.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2021, 07:25:05 PM
Can was too slow when he was at Liverpool as well, don't think he's suited to the Premier league, but I do rate him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on November 21, 2021, 07:44:16 PM
Kamara at Marseille, Thuram or Lemina at Nice if we were feeling brave enough to raid Ligue 1 again.

Wasn't Lemina basically a do-nothing passenger at both Southampton and Fulham?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2021, 08:14:54 PM
Still linked with Alvarez.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on November 21, 2021, 09:34:14 PM
Still linked with Alvarez.

I randomly saw a River Plate game a couple of months ago and he was absolutely brilliant, but unfortunately it seems he’s been so good since the summer he will be looking at champions league level options now. Only hope would be if we’ve already agreed the deal somehow.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2021, 07:54:25 AM
Barisic being linked today. I think that's nearly the entire Rangers side we're after. Also probably best  if Purslow doesn't piss off Barisic during contract negotiations  :o

"In summer 2017, Barišić drew attention from Ukrainian club Dynamo Kyiv, and he agreed personal terms with the club. However, at the last minute, Dynamo opted for Dinamo Zagreb's Josip Pivarić. In an interview with Sportske novosti on 11 August, Barišić publicly called out Dinamo for sabotaging the transfer.[8][9] On 22 August, Dinamo Zagreb executive Zdravko Mamić was shot in his native village of Zidine, Bosnia and Herzegovina.[10] The shooting was believed to be an assassination attempt organized by the Čepin Mafia clan, of which Barišić's father Stipe is a member."
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Welcome, here's a 15 year contract on £500K a week, no, thank *you* very much, Mr Barišić sir!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on November 22, 2021, 09:29:07 AM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms

It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal

Bissouma  would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2021, 10:58:43 AM
Welcome, here's a 15 year contract on £500K a week, no, thank *you* very much, Mr Barišić sir!


heh

"Mr Gerrard, I vant to play for you at glorious English Club Astonmotiv Villa"

"Sound Bornie, I'm made up, but I've got Mattie T at the moment la"

"Of course, but what if he was to suddenly unexpectedly leave the country without telling anyone, or he got injured. Permanently." *click*
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on November 22, 2021, 11:03:54 AM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms

It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal

Bissouma  would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade

I guess its that we are in an even weaker position than we were in the summer when trying to get in 'next level' players, then we could try and sell them the vision of European football, now the reality is a bit bleaker.

The scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms
It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal
Bissouma  would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
The scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?
Yep, that's my view.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 22, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
Barisic being linked today. I think that's nearly the entire Rangers side we're after. Also probably best  if Purslow doesn't piss off Barisic during contract negotiations  :o



Rangers fans slagging him off over the weekend and that Goldson player
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 22, 2021, 01:42:44 PM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms

It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal

Bissouma  would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade

I guess its that we are in an even weaker position than we were in the summer when trying to get in 'next level' players, then we could try and sell them the vision of European football, now the reality is a bit bleaker.

The scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?

I posted the other day that Skhiri at Koln would be my choice right now, I'd hope our scouts are aware of him at the least because he ticks every box for what we need in midfield.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2021, 02:41:30 PM
Our squad has plenty of fringe players and the owners want us to blood youth as much as possible. I wonder if the last few years of transfer window jamborees are over. One bona fide starter every 12 months like the top clubs do (kinda).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2021, 04:54:37 PM
Our squad has plenty of fringe players and the owners want us to blood youth as much as possible. I wonder if the last few years of transfer window jamborees are over. One bona fide starter every 12 months like the top clubs do (kinda).
Thats what it should be although the new manager will want to stamp his personality on the team. So there will be a few comings and goings before next season.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 22, 2021, 05:20:28 PM
Our squad has plenty of fringe players and the owners want us to blood youth as much as possible. I wonder if the last few years of transfer window jamborees are over. One bona fide starter every 12 months like the top clubs do (kinda).
Yeah, I think so.  With FFP you have a finite amount of money to spend in the summer, so it's basically a case of spreading ~£80m across however many players you want to buy.  If you're in the game of bringing in 4 or 5 players, they're going to be £20m players, so mainly fringe squad players for where we are now.  If you're wantingyour Bissouma, JWP, ESR-type signings then you're going to see 1 of those, maybe 2 if you negotiate well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 22, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
Having brought in £100m for Grealish I'd hope we're fine with FFP for a while.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 22, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.

Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2021, 07:43:39 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.

Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.

Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
I don’t give a XXXX who we sign.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 22, 2021, 07:51:40 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.

Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.

Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.

I’m still serving my self imposed ban for my last crime against humour so you’ll be relieved to know I won’t be starting or participating in any punathons on this one Dave.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2021, 08:28:38 PM
Good of you to rebuild and foster relationships on here, Fred. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 22, 2021, 08:36:01 PM
 I'd like to buy a player who can use his body parts as effectively as SJM. I'm referring to his hiney y'ken.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 22, 2021, 10:01:41 PM
We've got plenty of money in the Banks' to fund the transfer
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 22, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
You will have them in Hoff mister if you keep on like this
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 23, 2021, 09:14:26 PM
Amstel undecided as to what position is priority.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:17:57 PM
I don’t give a XXXX who we sign.
if carlsberg did puns...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:20:29 PM
So long as there young and caffrey I'm sure they will do well.

Ill get my coat
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:26:42 PM
Oh, wait wait - ignore my last 2 attempts, that was just warming up.

I think we should be going after Che Adnams.

I'll still get my coat


Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
We need to sign a lager than life character.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2021, 09:50:14 PM
It'll be a bitter pill to swallow if we don't get a midfielder in.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 24, 2021, 12:18:39 AM
We need to sign a lager than life character.

My local brewery's fizzy offering is called 'Lager than Life '.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 24, 2021, 12:39:00 AM
Pau Torres linked.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 24, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
Didn’t he turn down Spurs in the summer because they weren’t in the CL? I’d be stunned if he suddenly discovered religion and decided joining Aston Villa was more important.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scamps180 on November 24, 2021, 01:14:24 AM
I would like to try and get the young Welsh full back from Liverpool nico Williams, very dynamic going forward, and a massive will to win.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tony scott on November 24, 2021, 03:17:57 AM
Is it a war nest or a big paper bag ffp ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2021, 10:49:47 AM
I'd like to buy a player who can use his body parts as effectively as SJM. I'm referring to his hiney y'ken.

Somebody's Heine is crowding my ice-box.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on November 24, 2021, 10:53:48 AM
Talk of Gerrard sanctioning the sale of Bert from that bastion of truth 'Football Insider.'

Which the Beeb have linked to, for some reason.

Seeing as he's injured I'm not sure how SG would come to such a decision already.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 24, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
Seems an odd story, unless Gerrard is brassic and Bert is the only one he can see us getting any cash for.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
JT would have wazzap'd Steven to wax lyrical about Plastic Bert. No chance he's leaving til 2023.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 24, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.

Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.

Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.

Forgive me.

Maybe as Brighton was so toothless a swap = Ings for Bissouma?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 24, 2021, 03:19:32 PM
We have a big squad already so it'll just be a case of wheeling and dealing to upgrade the squad.

In fact, a case of buys Ansells.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 24, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
Only decent signings please which means absolutely no one from a Micky Mouse League.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2021, 07:03:57 AM
I would take a Kamara from Rangers Bren. Couple of players in the Dutch league worth looking at too.

I did like the links to Pau Torres. That's the standard upgrade we should be aiming at.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 25, 2021, 11:27:00 AM
Would be a brilliant signing if we could get Pau Torres.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on November 25, 2021, 11:54:05 AM
He turned down Spurs as he wants Champions League football.  If he comes to us then the Gerrard pull is real!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
He turned Spurs down because he wanted to play Champions League football with his local boyhood team this season, Villarreal.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
Can we have Diaby ( is it)  from Bayer 04 Leverkusen  please .
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2021, 07:13:51 AM
He turned down Spurs as he wants Champions League football.  If he comes to us then the Gerrard pull is real!
Rashica supposedly felt the same...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 26, 2021, 09:52:03 AM
He turned down Spurs as he wants Champions League football.  If he comes to us then the Gerrard pull is real!
Rashica supposedly felt the same...

I know he is ion a shit side but so glad we did not pursue Rashica as i feel he would of been a spectacular dud
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 26, 2021, 01:21:40 PM
Yes, after all of that speculation and hype he does look a bit wank doesn't he? Suspicions were raised early for me with the fact that he ended up at Norwich and for the fee involved.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 28, 2021, 11:53:30 AM
So "one or two faces" coming in? Hopefully not Joe Gomez though. I'm quite fascinated finding out who Mr Gerrard rates or not because I haven't a clue currently.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
So "one or two faces" coming in? Hopefully not Joe Gomez though. I'm quite fascinated finding out who Mr Gerrard rates or not because I haven't a clue currently.

Gomez is a good player but makes Sanson look like Iron Man.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2021, 08:39:14 PM
Exactly. Cracking player, but just terrible luck with injuries.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2021, 12:01:38 AM
He just had one bad injury didn't he? Was starting week in week out at Liverpool but hasn't been able to regain his place since. Think he played with Konsa at Charlton so could be some logic to it.

I wonder if we might send a young player or two on loan to Rangers as a sort of sweetner. You'd think likes of Carney and JPB could really kick on if we loaned them there for six months.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 29, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational

Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)

I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 29, 2021, 09:27:23 AM
Exactly. Cracking player, but just terrible luck with injuries.
really? Cracking player, not from what I have seen.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 29, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
Gomez isnt injury prone. Just jad a bad injury. He is certainly better than hause and tuanzebe. 

Could be better than mings though. I think gomez would be a excellent signing.  Cant see it though.

Wouldnt be suprised if we tried to prize some loverpool youth players
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
Gomez isnt injury prone. Just jad a bad injury. He is certainly better than hause and tuanzebe. 

Could be better than mings though. I think gomez would be a excellent signing.  Cant see it though.

Wouldnt be suprised if we tried to prize some loverpool youth players

My guess would be Liverpool trying to loan some of ours.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2021, 11:12:32 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational

Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)

I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan

I hope Sanson gets a run sooner or later, maybe it will be Jan. Waste of time and money if we just let him slink out the door to Rennes or whoever in a cut-price deal.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational

Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)

I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan

I hope not, I don't think he's an upgrade at all, we need to be signing players that would look like good signings for clubs like tottenham, leicester, etc and none of them would be interested in Kamara who is a signing for clubs in the position we're trying to move on from.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 11:59:15 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational

Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)

I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan

I hope Sanson gets a run sooner or later, maybe it will be Jan. Waste of time and money if we just let him slink out the door to Rennes or whoever in a cut-price deal.

And then watch as he finds his form and suddenly becomes Europe's hottest property, moving to Milan for about £40m.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
I'm not sure about Gomez, a couple of Liverpool fans I know don't rate him much at all unless he has Van Dijk beside him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 29, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
I'm not sure about Gomez, a couple of Liverpool fans I know don't rate him much at all unless he has Van Dijk beside him.

yes i have never thought he was all that
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 12:05:20 PM
Gomez is a tough one, he looked a fantastic prospect until he got a Ben Mee hatchet job and he still doesn't look like he's recovered from that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 29, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
Can't see the point in getting another team's reserve in on loan so he can get game time for them. We've already got Tuanzebe doing that job.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 29, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
Gomez is rubbish, has pace but nothing else. Liverpool fans all want shot of him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on November 29, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
Gomez seems pretty popular with Liverpool fans if a quick look on RAWK is anything to go by. He'd be a great signing if fit but can't see it happening. CB isn't first priority in my view though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on November 29, 2021, 05:49:59 PM
With the back 4 seeming to be Ste VG's favoured formation I can't see a CB being a priority this coming window.  Hause is out of contract and Axel won't, I believe, be here next season.  I can see Hause being offered a new contract and the 2nd slot being sorted in the summer.  Cover at FB seems more of an issue to me.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on November 29, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
not the worst news.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 29, 2021, 07:30:24 PM
I would keep AEG, good squad player.

Trez needs a loan to get match fit

Traore I’m undecided on, if we got £20m then I would let him go
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
I would keep AEG, good squad player.

Trez needs a loan to get match fit

Traore I’m undecided on, if we got £20m then I would let him go

Traore is going to need to work hard on the "off the ball" side to get a look in I think. Trez will get a chance through sheer hard work and could a useful option when a bit of grit is required, and I don't think they let El Ghazi go, he's good as an impact sub.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 29, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider


I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
Would be disappointed if SG dosen't rate Traore, think he could be fantastic as inside forward in the system we want to play.

Trez and AEG both have 18 months left now on their deals so pretty vulnerable and right time to cash in on both I think although Trez probably will leave in summer as got to prove his fitness again, can be useful off the bench when he gets back.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on November 29, 2021, 08:27:27 PM
I think we’ve got one too many wide players &  likewise one too many number eights.

We’ve got no cover at left back & nobody you’d consider good enough to be the starting defensive midfielder.

These would be the positions where we’re likely to see any movement in or out. We also need to create space for the likes of Aaron Ramsey.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider


I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Football insider do not base anything on facts. It's guesswork.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider


I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Football insider do not base anything on facts. It's guesswork.

It comes from the words of ex-players.  This week, it's Kevin Phillips.  Next week it will be the ever so clued up Noel Whelan.  You're absolutely correct though, it is absolute bollocks and I am a bit surprised that the BBC use it for their gossip page.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on November 29, 2021, 09:36:01 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider


I do not believe any of this is based on facts.

Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2021, 11:20:17 PM
Football Insider is made up click bait shite.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2021, 12:07:41 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
not the worst news.

Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on November 30, 2021, 08:38:47 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
not the worst news.

Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?

They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.

I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.

Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently  also need a rb to challenge cash
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2021, 09:07:01 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
not the worst news.

Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?

They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.

I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.

Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently  also need a rb to challenge cash

If Hause is willing to stay and be a back up option, then I would look at keeping him.  He's fine as a squad option for where we will be over the next couple of seasons.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on November 30, 2021, 09:40:06 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that.  I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.

It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 30, 2021, 09:59:57 AM
We need LB and DM for me in January.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on November 30, 2021, 10:46:35 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
not the worst news.

Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?

They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.

I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.

Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently  also need a rb to challenge cash

If Hause is willing to stay and be a back up option, then I would look at keeping him.  He's fine as a squad option for where we will be over the next couple of seasons.
I'm of a similar mind. I can't see us trying to replace both Tuanzebe and Hause in the summer.  Think one will go, one will stay.  It's not cut & dried as to which one, because if we opt for Hause then that pretty much means extending his contract so it may not work out that much cheaper than buying Axel.  Think it'll come down to a few factors...

If Tuanzebe is available for the right price (thinking probably <£5m) then that's a big plus in his favour, since we can recoup most/all of that with the money we'll get from selling Hause.  And IMO Tuanzebe is probably the marginally better of the two, although not to the extent where it's an obvious choice.

It also depends on who's available.  If there's an obvious candidate for left-sided centre back, but not for right-sided then that'd also push things in strongly in favour of keeping Axel.  Likewise, the other way round would push it very much towards retaining Hause.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that.  I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.

It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.

Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.

Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
Think Hause will move back to London club. Just a feeling but could see Fulham being in for him, 7-10m to go towards future FFP.

Who knows on Axel. Have to see how often he plays next six months.

Obviously need more than two good CBs to serious challenge top 6.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 30, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Yeah i'd rather keep Hause and look for another guy than keep Tuanzebe. I think they'd bite our hand off if we wanted him, but if you have to go out on loan because Bailly, Lindelöf and Slabhead are ahead of you, i'm not convinced. The days of Man U having a youth squad full of potential quality appear over.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on November 30, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that.  I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.

It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.

Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.

Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.

I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 11:35:59 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that.  I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.

It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.

Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.

Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.

I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.

Hence I put don't discount him rather than outright saying he's the competition, it will clearly depend on whether he wants to come back.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 30, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
Kessler-Hayden and Bogarde might well be in contention for defensive roles next season ...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2021, 12:53:31 PM
Bogarde will probably go out on loan before he comes into contention. He's probably the reason why we brought Tuanzebe in though, just to give Bogarde a little longer to develop.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
I really rate Bogarde but I think he's at least 18 months away from being ready, makes a few too many mistakes right now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that.  I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.

It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.

Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.

Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.

I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.

Hence I put don't discount him rather than outright saying he's the competition, it will clearly depend on whether he wants to come back.

Who knows if we'll recall him in Jan. In the summer he'll have just one year left on his deal so will surely want to go back to France and given he's doing o.k again there you'd think someone could sign him for 3-4m.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 07:31:27 PM
Kessler-Hayden and Bogarde might well be in contention for defensive roles next season ...

Kesler is still very young. Good he's doing well at Swindon but would personally like to see him getting top end league 1 loan/bottom half championship loan next season.

If people think these young guys are properly ready to be in first team squad at this level they should be ready to play for a Sunderland or Cardiff imo.

Case of Louie Barry sometimes shows it can be complicated for a promising young player. Loads of us wanted to see him getting some prem minutes last season after the Liverpool goal but barely played at all for Ipswich so far.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2021, 12:11:56 AM
Guilbert is currently the best right-back in Ligue 1...really? Last time I checked he seemed to be marking time there, often a sub or being subbed.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2021, 07:34:52 AM
I think kesler could make it definitely

Barry - the loan move hasbeen a disaster. But archer didnt do very well on loan and look how impressive he looks
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 01, 2021, 07:37:38 AM
Kessler-Hayden and Bogarde might well be in contention for defensive roles next season ...

Kesler is still very young. Good he's doing well at Swindon but would personally like to see him getting top end league 1 loan/bottom half championship loan next season.

If people think these young guys are properly ready to be in first team squad at this level they should be ready to play for a Sunderland or Cardiff imo.

Case of Louie Barry sometimes shows it can be complicated for a promising young player. Loads of us wanted to see him getting some prem minutes last season after the Liverpool goal but barely played at all for Ipswich so far.

I think its the whole experience rather than how they do that matters imo. Playing with guys who will never go for massive amounts of money and need to do well to get that next contract for their livelihood must be an eye-opener in terms of a reality check so I reckon the Ipswich move will benefit Barry long term.  Also If you hit a rough patch of form or can't get in the team on loan then to a certain extent you can learn from it and "reset" your confidence when you return. We've seen it with kids before here where they break into the first team as the next "big thing" and then plateau and fade and part of that must be that it's easier to come back from gifting a goal to Rotherham than buggering up at Villa Park with it being shown on MOTD that evening. If the likes of Albrighton had gone on loan and had a hard time of it on loan when he was younger then maybe he wouldn't have needed a complete "reset" at Leicester to find his feet.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on December 01, 2021, 07:41:12 AM
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Think in any case, Guilbert was a player we brought whilst we were a Championship team & were anticipating another season there. Not to say that you should knock players just because of when they joined the club (SJM being a prime example), but we are shopping in a very different market now than when we signed him.

Just think multiple things have gone against Freddy. He'd have looked class in the Championship, which mightve helped him settle in better. Then he's come in to the team along with a dozen other new players so there's maybe been less time/resources to have someone put an arm round his shoulder. COVID has no doubt made life living in another country more difficult, especially if things aren't going your way to begin with. Ligue 1 has crashed financially so he can't even get a permanent move back to France.

He'll be off either this summer or next depending on whether or not we can find a buyer. Don't expect him to feature for us, though. Cheap punt that might've paid off in different circumstances.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2021, 07:46:07 AM
Guilbert is currently the best right-back in Ligue 1...really? Last time I checked he seemed to be marking time there, often a sub or being subbed.

He's played all 90 minutes of their last 7 games according to Soccerbase.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2021, 10:04:24 AM
I'm just going on what I've been told but it is backed up by whoscored who have him in the team of the season for Ligue 1.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2021, 10:09:06 AM
Fair enough, I hadn't checked in a while. Good to know that he isn't drifting.

I still think Cash needs specialist competition on the right, he's the only one without a direct replacement at the moment and he's not good enough to assume he's an automatic pick.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 01, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
I can't see Guilbert wanting to come back so we'll need to cash in in the summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 01, 2021, 01:19:20 PM
I can't see Guilbert wanting to come back so we'll need to cash in in the summer.

SG has said everyone has a clean slate - so why not. A decent Villa team in the prem is better than anything in Ligue 1
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 01, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
I can't see Guilbert wanting to come back so we'll need to cash in in the summer.

SG has said everyone has a clean slate - so why not. A decent Villa team in the prem is better than anything in Ligue 1
Well for a start Cash will almost certainly be first choice, at least at first.  So he's not going to extend his contract when gametime may still be limited.  And for us, we're better off taking c£5m now than nothing in a year.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on December 03, 2021, 12:04:47 PM
I'd be asking SJM to have a word with Kieran Tierney and then asking Arsenal to name their price.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
He's a bit of a sicknote though Tierney. Quality when fit, but not reliably healthy.

For me we need a creative player in Jan, that can slot into the narrow 10 role, and a midfielder that is a step up in what we have in the centre. Not sure they will be available in Jan, but they are what we need. Players that can see a pass and help us retain the ball better in tight situations.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 03, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
The possession thing starts from the back though

I’m sorry but I know we all love Mings and Konsa but if Gerard wants to play out from the back as good as defenders as they are he’s not going to be doing it with that pairing
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 03, 2021, 06:34:40 PM
He's a bit of a sicknote though Tierney. Quality when fit, but not reliably healthy.

For me we need a creative player in Jan, that can slot into the narrow 10 role, and a midfielder that is a step up in what we have in the centre. Not sure they will be available in Jan, but they are what we need. Players that can see a pass and help us retain the ball better in tight situations.
I think we could do with someone to be 1 of these 2 "10" gerrard plays - we could do with that particularly seeming that Bert and Bailey are taking this season off. 

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 03, 2021, 07:46:16 PM
Tierney is the best left back in the League, but I can't see Arsenal letting him go (or him wanting to come to us).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
Better than Chilwell or Robertson or whoever Citeh play there, Fabian Delph? Nah.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 03, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
Far better than them, yes. Tierney has been Scotland's best player over the last year. Shame all our best players are left backs
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Can't imagine Gerrard would look at Tierney with his system at Rangers. Even when he's fit he doesn't provide assists or scores very often.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
Can't imagine Gerrard would look at Tierney with his system at Rangers. Even when he's fit he doesn't provide assists or scores very often.

Really? He's always flying down the left for Arsenal and getting crosses in. With all the midfielders tucked inside we need full backs who can get up and down so Cash can do it pretty well on one side, less so Targett.

Think we'll look abroad for a LB.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 06:51:56 PM
Can't imagine Gerrard would look at Tierney with his system at Rangers. Even when he's fit he doesn't provide assists or scores very often.

Really? He's always flying down the left for Arsenal and getting crosses in. With all the midfielders tucked inside we need full backs who can get up and down so Cash can do it pretty well on one side, less so Targett.

Think we'll look abroad for a LB.

According to the stats I've seen

Tierney 21/22 No goals no assists  Targett 1 goal 1 assist
            20/21 1 goal 4 assists                  0 goal 4 assists
             19/20 1 goal 2 assists                 1 goal 3 assists

Doesn't seem a massive improvement on Targett
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: fredm on December 05, 2021, 08:17:15 PM
I think that both full backs will be replaced unless they decide that one of our youngsters will be in the team in 2023. I think that Cash crossing of the ball in the last two matches have been really poorly.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 11, 2021, 11:43:24 AM
Barca want Alvarez. I wonder how true the rumors of our interest were.

https://twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1469549693994680322?s=20
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
Barca want Alvarez. I wonder how true the rumors of our interest were.

https://twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1469549693994680322?s=20


It will come out in a couple of years that everything was agreed it just didn't go through at the last minute. Something to that effect.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2021, 12:58:38 PM
Have Barcelona got money to spend? I thought they were skint.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 11, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
Have Barcelona got money to spend? I thought they were skint.


Worse than skint, 1.4bn€ in debt.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 11, 2021, 04:58:52 PM
I still think we need a tidy defensive midfielder.  It isn't Nakamba or Luiz for me.  In fact, if we can keep Sanson fit, I reckon Luiz will spend some time on the bench. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on December 11, 2021, 07:06:23 PM
The Manager (not sure how to refer to him) said in the post match interview, words to the effect of, we will identify and make signings for next season that will move us up the league
seems there is a plan
skilful ,hard working plyers in his mould will suit me fine.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 11, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
I still think we need a tidy defensive midfielder.  It isn't Nakamba or Luiz for me.  In fact, if we can keep Sanson fit, I reckon Luiz will spend some time on the bench.
I think we need some players that can keep the ball better - too few of our players can
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2021, 07:20:53 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?

Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 11, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
Very true Beard82, I agree.  Gerrard will weed them out and replace them.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 11, 2021, 07:27:34 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?

Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
Yes, I think this is true. Its a good squad - but for most of the players this is going to be their peak.  I guess its hard to know with the summer signings.

I guess that's the tricky bit, there all good players but a lot of players need to find another level if we're not to leave them behind.  The positive is the vast majority are a lot better then when they came here so we've done something right
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?

Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.

Martinez and Konsa could play for any of the 'Big 3'. Think we will struggle to hold onto them next summer. Konsa stood up a 3 v 1 late on today including forcing Salah to turn back for a finish...he's one of the best centre backs in the division. Martinez is a better keeper than Allison for example. McGinn and Watkins aren't at that level of consistency for me.
Lots of mid table standard players in our squad and we look a mid table team as a result.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2021, 07:48:29 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?

Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
Yes, I think this is true. Its a good squad - but for most of the players this is going to be their peak.  I guess its hard to know with the summer signings.

I guess that's the tricky bit, there all good players but a lot of players need to find another level if we're not to leave them behind.  The positive is the vast majority are a lot better then when they came here so we've done something right
agree and with your point above, better players keep the ball better
We are stuck in that pack of 8 teams chasing the 4 and there really isn’t that much that separates them.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 11, 2021, 09:27:07 PM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.

That Weston McKennie we were linked with looks a more than decent player.

Unfortunately I've just looked on Soccerbase and he appears to have played every match for them this season, so that's the end of that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 12, 2021, 04:04:28 AM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.

Is it worth watching? I've seen most of these but I haven't been able to stomach watching Juve yet .
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: exigo on December 12, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.

That Weston McKennie we were linked with looks a more than decent player.

Unfortunately I've just looked on Soccerbase and he appears to have played every match for them this season, so that's the end of that.

Up for sale according to today's BBC rumours, via Gazzetta della Sport.
Il linky Italiano (https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Juventus/11-12-2021/calciomercato-juve-non-solo-ramsey-possibili-cessioni-gennaio-430388594188_preview.shtml?reason=unauthenticated&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazzetta.it%2FCalcio%2FSerie-A%2FJuventus%2F11-12-2021%2Fcalciomercato-juve-non-solo-ramsey-possibili-cessioni-gennaio-430388594188.shtml)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 12:04:52 PM
McKennie would be a quality signing and fit well with Gerrard. I still think though, at the base of the midfield, we need someone that can put their foot on it ans pass it around. Our ability to surrender possession at will is almost unparalleled.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on December 13, 2021, 04:52:04 AM
Conor Gallagher. On loan at Palace from Chelski, and is developing into a really good player. Think he’d improve even more under Gerrard. Go get him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 13, 2021, 06:22:22 AM
Conor Gallagher. On loan at Palace from Chelski, and is developing into a really good player. Think he’d improve even more under Gerrard. Go get him.

I like the look of him. Chelsea will want big mkney for him i think
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on December 13, 2021, 06:33:56 AM
I thought Gallagher had been told that he will be starting for Chelsea next season?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 13, 2021, 07:28:01 AM
He'll be in the Chelsea side for sure next season. What a player he's becoming
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
Conor Gallagher. On loan at Palace from Chelski, and is developing into a really good player. Think he’d improve even more under Gerrard. Go get him.

The chances of us signing Gallagher are between Slim and None.

And slim left town.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on December 13, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2021, 11:07:33 AM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 13, 2021, 11:25:47 AM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?
Very good
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?
Mason will have a mount-ain to climb if Gallagher returns.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 12:21:14 PM
Not sure we need another attacking midfielder to be honest.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2021, 12:46:52 PM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.

Is it worth watching? I've seen most of these but I haven't been able to stomach watching Juve yet .

Yeah it's watchable (and i too find them hard to stomach as a club).

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?
Mason will have a mount-ain to climb if Gallagher returns.

At his peak that could be hard.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 13, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
if Gallagher returns Mount will be off...that's my bit of 'in the knoll'.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.

Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on December 13, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.

Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.

Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 13, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
Now Marv has gone down with a knee injury it's going to highlight how short we are at DM.  Still the No1 priority for me, even with his recent form.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 13, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
Signing Gallagher and Bellingham would be a super start to the January window

You know it makes sense and they’ll be easy transfers to complete, if we bring them in early enough we could go for a big marquee signing later in the month
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Now Marv has gone down with a knee injury it's going to highlight how short we are at DM.  Still the No1 priority for me, even with his recent form.

yep
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2021, 07:49:19 PM
Marvelous usually plays with a smile on his face.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 14, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
Davis could be going to Forest apparently. Good move all round if that happens I reckon.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 14, 2021, 03:08:28 PM
Davis could be going to Forest apparently. Good move all round if that happens I reckon.

If he was never going to make it i would really hope it was through simply not being good enough rather than blighted by injury. I hope wherever he goes (a stint north of the border Celtic / Rangers would be a good shout) he gets a chance to put a good few games together
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
Kieran Trippier. Would you? Should we?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2021, 12:34:29 AM
Kieran Trippier. Would you? Should we?

In my opinion no. He's 31, and I don't think he's an overall upgrade on Cash, although his delivery is better. He'd be a very expensive (in wages) back up. Off to Newcastle anyway isn't he?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2021, 01:07:59 AM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.

Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.

Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)

Ha!  The thought of playing for Gerrard might be appealing to young players who grew up admiring him, particularly those who play in midfield.  Might just give us an advantage we might not otherwise have if we went for the likes of Ward-Prowse or even Phillips from Leeds.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 16, 2021, 01:49:25 AM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 16, 2021, 01:52:47 AM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.

OK, I'll take the bait.

Older posters may remember that when Terry Venables told Gazza he would pull him off at half time, he replied that he only got an orange at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2021, 05:35:03 AM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.

OK, I'll take the bait.

Older posters may remember that when Terry Venables told Gazza he would pull him off at half time, he replied that he only got an orange at Newcastle.

That was Rodney Marsh to Alf Ramsey  (replace Newcastle with QPR)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2021, 05:59:38 AM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.

Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.

Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2021, 07:25:26 AM
Kieran Trippier. Would you? Should we?

In my opinion no. He's 31, and I don't think he's an overall upgrade on Cash, although his delivery is better. He'd be a very expensive (in wages) back up. Off to Newcastle anyway isn't he?

I thought for left back.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2021, 07:32:19 AM
Same thing applies in my opinion.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 09:48:44 AM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.

Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.

Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds.  Not many players can carry that off.

Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.

I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
We missed our chance to get Phillips when we were in for him when we got promoted but couldn't afford the £30m Leeds were asking. Paid the cost there of having to perform major surgery on the squad. Need to find the next ones now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 16, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.

Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.

Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds.  Not many players can carry that off.

Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.

I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good. 

I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 16, 2021, 11:32:55 AM
I think Rice would make more of a difference to us than Jack.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 16, 2021, 11:34:51 AM
Phillips is a good player, but he's not coming here and he's bad value anyway.

Boubacar Kamara man. Young,  DM, Comedy first name, out of contract.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)

Apparently ManU want him now. Doh!  If the club had listened to me a month ago >:(
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.

Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.

Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds.  Not many players can carry that off.

Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.

I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good. 

I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
Well put it this way, I think he would be perfectly suited to playing the Fabihno or Henderson / Thiago roles at Liverpool and in due course he probably will.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on December 16, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.

Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.

Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds.  Not many players can carry that off.

Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.

I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good. 

I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
I'd have Phillips, but it'd have to be at the right price.  If Leeds end up getting relegated I'd be in like a shot for him, likewise if he was getting close to the end of his contract ... but I'm not sure I'd shell out the amount Leeds would inevitably want for him right now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 16, 2021, 01:38:24 PM
It will be really interesting to see "what" market we're shopping in now we have SG in the driving seat!!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2021, 01:43:22 PM
I'm not all that sold on Phillips, and he'd cost too much for what he'd bring.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 02:01:13 PM
I'm not all that sold on Phillips, and he'd cost too much for what he'd bring.
He's not coming anyway so you can all breathe a sigh of relief.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on December 16, 2021, 03:13:29 PM
I'm not all that sold on Phillips, and he'd cost too much for what he'd bring.
He's not coming anyway so you can all breathe a sigh of relief.

He’s a lifelong Leeds fan and it’s his city, he even stayed with them in the Championship so there’s no way he’ll rat on them….
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on December 16, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
He'd do well at somewhere like Arsenal - can't see any of the big clubs buying him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on December 16, 2021, 03:38:29 PM
I don't think it's any surprise that the three teams going for the title this season all have a world-class defensive midfielder in their 11 most weeks.  Kante/Fabinho/Rhodri would all walk into most teams around the world. It's clearly a key element to successful teams in the modern game with such focus on transition and pressing, and one where we probably need to recruit a specialist rather than 'make do'. 

Marv can do the job and was improving (though not to the level of the names mentioned above), but with him absent I can see us going into the market in January for one.  The question is though, how big will be willing to go? 

I do wonder if we'll look at Kamara from Rangers (lots of media links) - Gerrard really rated him in his time there, he plays the position how he likes it played, but I don't know much about him as a player (and I wonder if at 25 he would have gone elsewhere already if he was good enough?).

But beyond that, I'm not sure who would be available in January?

Longer-term, do we have any academy players of that mould? It seems all the focus (understandably) has been on the attacking talent coming through but is there anyone in the youth/U23s that could be our own Phillips or Rice?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Iroegbunam who's been making the bench lately, Bogarde can play there and maybe Lindley.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: DennisHodgetts on December 16, 2021, 04:23:44 PM
Raikhy too could do a job. Currently on loan at Stockport
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 16, 2021, 04:25:59 PM
We missed our chance to get Phillips when we were in for him when we got promoted but couldn't afford the £30m Leeds were asking. Paid the cost there of having to perform major surgery on the squad. Need to find the next ones now.

We could, but he wanted to give Leedzzz one more season.

Local lad, can't blame him really.

Like Smith Rowe, I don't think we'd have been bidding if there was zero interest in making the move.

But like Smith Rowe, it undoubtably strengthened his bargaining position when it came to a new contract.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 16, 2021, 04:59:52 PM
Raikhy too could do a job. Currently on loan at Stockport


Anybody know how he's getting on? I've liked the look of him in the little I've seen. He has a presence about him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 05:25:03 PM
Last I saw, he was another not getting game time.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 16, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
May not be the second comiung of Yaya then.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 16, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
We've really got to stop looking at kids or stop gaps in January if we're gonna get anywhere. We've had a good run where we've only lost to 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. We're 7 points off 4th so there's a window of opportunity at the moment for Europe and you improve when you're doing well, not when your desperate or we pick up another injury. We need to get a quality midfielder in January asap.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
We've really got to stop looking at kids or stop gaps in January if we're gonna get anywhere. We've had a good run where we've only lost to 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. We're 7 points off 4th so there's a window of opportunity at the moment for Europe and you improve when you're doing well, not when your desperate or we pick up another injury. We need to get a quality midfielder in January asap.

I don't think there will be much of a market with the outbreak around, teams will keep hold of what they've got in case they're needed
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 06:16:17 PM
In my view if Bissouma is cleared from the assault issue we should just go all out to get him, 40m, 50m whatever it takes.  He's an outstanding player.  I suspect he'll end up at a top 4 club, but it's worth a punt.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2021, 11:00:45 PM
In my view if Bissouma is cleared from the assault issue we should just go all out to get him, 40m, 50m whatever it takes.  He's an outstanding player.  I suspect he'll end up at a top 4 club, but it's worth a punt.
Let’s see if Mendy gets off as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2021, 09:34:09 AM
Said a coupl of times already but Ellyes Skhiri for me, pretty quick, strong, does all the defensive stuff well but is decent with the ball at his feet, passes well and has a decent shot on him. Supposedly available in January for £10-12m and being looked at by a few English clubs. Wouldn't be available during afcon unfortunately but would still be a good signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 17, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23



( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23



( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)


You'll probably see that on the BBC gossip section tomorrow, quoted from Football Insider with thoughts from Kevin Phillips on the matter.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 17, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23



( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)




Genuine LOL
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:12:32 AM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on December 17, 2021, 10:16:28 AM
I can hear the chant now "There's only no Buusi Algijah."
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23



( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)


You'll probably see that on the BBC gossip section tomorrow, quoted from Football Insider with thoughts from Kevin Phillips on the matter.

Then repeated on the Birmingham Mail page with something like "Aston Villa fan makes extraordinary claim!"
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
All Villa fans say the same thing about Bulgarian hotshot........
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2021, 12:00:04 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 12:06:49 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.

I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 17, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.

I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know

Oh I thought that was another one we were making up

Had to check on Google
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 17, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Too much potential for spelling his name incorrectly especially with Carny around, not for me.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on December 18, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
Gerrard has mentioned cover in the fullback positions a couple of times now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 18, 2021, 08:19:02 AM
Said a coupl of times already but Ellyes Skhiri for me, pretty quick, strong, does all the defensive stuff well but is decent with the ball at his feet, passes well and has a decent shot on him. Supposedly available in January for £10-12m and being looked at by a few English clubs. Wouldn't be available during afcon unfortunately but would still be a good signing.

I’m very shallow about this kind of thing when it comes to baby mothers but it’s not something I’m bothered about in CDMs.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 18, 2021, 09:09:23 AM
I can hear the chant now "There's only no Buusi Algijah."

Was completely unbelievable.

If he was Bulgarian, his name would be Algijahkov
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on December 18, 2021, 04:44:00 PM
Can’t say I’m enamoured about the idea of joe Gomez….don’t think he’s better than Konsa or Mings
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 18, 2021, 04:59:43 PM
He has pace, but not much else.

Konsa is ace. I like Mings, but he usually has a cock up in him each game. Do think Konsa needs a big CB next to him though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 19, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 19, 2021, 12:02:47 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?

Who does he play for mate
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?

By Maurélien isn't it?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 19, 2021, 12:59:15 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?

Who does he play for mate

Lokomotiv Plovdiv
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?

Who does he play for mate
I think the correct address Is    pardon me sir, who does he play for mate.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 19, 2021, 09:36:39 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?

Who does he play for mate

Lokomotiv Plovdiv

I've been to Plovdiv, was quite nice
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on December 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Gomez is an interesting one.

Think he can play as a central defender, full back or defensive mid?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 20, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Gomez is an interesting one.

Think he can play as a central defender, full back or defensive mid?
I wonder why Klopp would be ok with losing him
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 11:37:24 AM
What exactly were Gerrad's quotes about new fullbacks ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Gomez came on yesterday. I don't see Klopp letting him go.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 20, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
Klopp has said he's going nowhere in Jan.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
What exactly were Gerrad's quotes about new fullbacks ?

"Listen! Both full backs are ace but we need cover la".
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Baldy on December 20, 2021, 01:03:43 PM
Put a 50 million quid bid in for Jack Grealish.

We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.

Villa til I die. My arse.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on December 20, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
Put a 50 million quid bid in for Jack Grealish.

We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.

Villa til I die. My arse.

No. The days when we pay way over the odds for has beens are over.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 20, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?


Bless you ,
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 20, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
I think a couple more full backs is a sensible  idea. 
Those that can cross a ball.   
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 01:41:36 PM
Put a 50 million quid bid in for Jack Grealish.

We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.

Villa til I die. My arse.

Citeh need a centre-forward. £30m + Danny Ings, Jack can come home, mumble an apology and crack on.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 01:44:39 PM
Jack would probably enjoy the new system too, playing closer to the main striker.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 20, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
Mad thing is, Ings and Jack would both be better swapped. As would the clubs.

I think long term players like Jack who can help us keep the ball in pressured situations are a must.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 02:11:28 PM
On Grealish, Pep was asked why Grealish wasn't in his team yesterday and he made a few interesting comments.

"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.

“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.

"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Baldy on December 20, 2021, 02:26:40 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/ZXVYy3s/grealish.webp) (https://ibb.co/ZXVYy3s)


Jack seems more focused on Christmas TV adverts!!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 20, 2021, 02:30:20 PM
On Grealish, Pep was asked why Grealish wasn't in his team yesterday and he made a few interesting comments.

"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.

“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.

"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."

Oh dear what a shame....never mind
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2021, 03:41:47 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/ZXVYy3s/grealish.webp) (https://ibb.co/ZXVYy3s)


Jack seems more focused on Christmas TV adverts!!

Oh won’t you stay [on the bench] another day.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2021, 03:46:19 PM
On Grealish, Pep was asked why Grealish wasn't in his team yesterday and he made a few interesting comments.

"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.

“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.

"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."

He's blowing it. It's all gone to his head.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2021, 03:54:40 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.

I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2021, 04:02:23 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.

I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
I think it will.  Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way.  I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2021, 04:25:12 PM
I think he'll blow it because a)he's too thick not to stay out of trouble and b)he doesn't seem to have the advisers Beckham had.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 20, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
He will be a success because he'll piggy back off others. He won't play much and when he does it will be against lower ranked teams to keep the better players fresh for the big games. We all knew this.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2021, 05:30:19 PM
He will be a success because he'll piggy back off others. He won't play much and when he does it will be against lower ranked teams to keep the better players fresh for the big games. We all knew this.
No we didn't.  I think you're wrong and I suspect plenty of others, including Pep, do as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 20, 2021, 06:20:19 PM
well if it doesn’t work out for him at City I can’t see him coming back to us

I mean I’d have him back tomorrow but I Suspect Gerrard wouldn’t touch him with a very large rusty pole
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2021, 06:24:30 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
I think it will.  Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way.  I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.
The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2021, 06:51:54 PM
Just like when it seemed he was going to settle down with Sasha...

Easy for Guardiola to be laying down markers for games against likes of Newcastle with his squad. If the indiscretions were that bad, neither of them would have been on the bench. Still, both players have plenty of previous and Grealish particularly needs to wise up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2021, 06:58:10 PM
He'll end up at Everton or somewhere rotten, doing a Delph.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 20, 2021, 07:39:05 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all.    He will ruin Jack.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 07:42:11 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all.    He will ruin Jack.
He dwells on the ball too much. Terrible shame for him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2021, 07:53:47 PM
He'll end up at Everton or somewhere rotten, doing a Delph.

When was it he said he wants to return one day to play again for the Villa? This week he wants to go and play in the MSL. He and his father had already talked about it, said he follows the league,  spoke about Carl Gil being voted Player of the Season but couldn't name which team he plays for. I think he just wants to be loved and will say anything to please people.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 20, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
I dread the day when he scores against us and those that clapped will stand there and do so again. Why you'd clap and encourage any opposition player is beyond me but each to their own.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2021, 08:09:55 PM
I dread the day when he scores against us and those that clapped will stand there and do so again. Why you'd clap and encourage any opposition player is beyond me but each to their own.

We never had this problem with the other players who left so why do we have so many telling us we should get over it and all the rest?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on December 20, 2021, 08:21:23 PM
I’ve only ever clapped one former player for scoring against us and that was Ian Taylor in a pre season game at Derby.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on December 20, 2021, 08:39:53 PM
But Ian Taylor was a proper Villa legend.Sorry ,not was ,IS.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on December 20, 2021, 08:43:02 PM
But Ian Taylor was a proper Villa legend.Sorry ,not was ,IS.
Absolutely, will always be my hero.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 08:43:40 PM
I think the only time I've ever stood and applauded a goal against us was a Matt Jansen worldy for Crystal Palace against us but we were 3-0 up at the time.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2021, 08:55:19 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.

Guardiola doesn't seem to have many favourites. Sterling is left out regularly. It may be injury related but De Bruyne likewise. Great to have the luxury of keeping players like that guessing.

Grealish will still end up with a decent G&A tally and a league medal won by about March time. It does take getting used to watching him stuck on the left wing effectively as a decoy for Cancelo. But he's too good a player not to make it work.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 08:56:13 PM
I think the only time I've ever stood and applauded a goal against us was a Matt Jansen worldy for Crystal Palace against us but we were 3-0 up at the time.
I never stood and clapped but I did clap when Ashley Cole scored a volley in front of the Holte end. He was world class that day.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 08:57:02 PM
I think the only time I've ever stood and applauded a goal against us was a Matt Jansen worldy for Crystal Palace against us but we were 3-0 up at the time.
I remember that goal. In front of the north stand. Palace wore yellow. Was quality.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 09:02:31 PM
I was in the Holte. Think we had all stood up anyway and it's very easy to clap a quality goal like that when you're 3-0 up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on December 20, 2021, 09:04:12 PM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 20, 2021, 09:12:46 PM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2021, 10:22:24 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.

fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.

I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know

Think he was mostly sitting in their reserves at the time though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 20, 2021, 10:29:05 PM
Always highly rated at Anderlecht though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: not3bad on December 20, 2021, 11:17:43 PM
I applauded a Trevor Brooking free kick for West Ham. It was their only goal in a 4-1 victory for Villa. Quite a few in the Witton End were applauding.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 21, 2021, 02:37:37 AM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
I think it will.  Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way.  I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.
The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.

Yep, this is quite common for Pep's additions. As a player you are no longer an individual in a collective, but a cog in a machine. It takes getting used to.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on December 21, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?

Yes. As I recall it, he just missed out on a World Cup place and went on holiday to Greece. He had an accident on a moped not wearing a helmet and got an injury he never really recovered from.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on December 21, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
I think it will.  Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way.  I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.
The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.

Yep, this is quite common for Pep's additions. As a player you are no longer an individual in a collective, but a cog in a machine. It takes getting used to.
Yeah, think there's a lot to be said for that.

One thing that strikes me about Jack is that whilst he was at Villa, his actions were somewhat insulated.  First, he was with lifelong friends & family; everyone at the club knew him from when he was a scamp; and maybe as importantly it was Villa he was at.

We all (well, most of us) remember when The Greatest Defender In The Whole Wide World played for the Villa.  We all knew he was fond of a pint of Guinness, but it didn't matter because whatever his weaknesses - he was the best any of us had ever, or most likely will ever, see.  In the collective consciousness of the club, we all know what you 'win' if you tame the wildest of wild horses.

Now sure, we're not the only club to have ever had a talented-but-flawed player - Gazza springs to mind instantly.  But the overwhelming majority haven't, and for the most part they've happened in the long & distant past.  The only reason really Paul McGrath isn't so much "the long & distant past" is because ourselves & the RoI fans still sing about him on a semi-regular basis - so people are aware of him, even if they've never seen him play in real life.

He won't get that at Man City, and especially not with their current manager.  Think he's in for a difficult few seasons.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on December 21, 2021, 11:12:06 AM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.

His then girlfriend shared a house at university with my wife. Only met him once briefly but a nice lad, and a fantastic player.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 21, 2021, 11:35:52 AM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?

Yes. As I recall it, he just missed out on a World Cup place and went on holiday to Greece. He had an accident on a moped not wearing a helmet and got an injury he never really recovered from.


was in Rome and always thought he was a great player , such a shame he never properly recovered .       We all take these risks in younger life ( no helmet bombing round busy Rome), now I have reached my age I even think twice before I go on a rollercoaster .

 



Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on December 21, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all.    He will ruin Jack.

See Benteke and Liverpool

Both badly advised
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 21, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all.    He will ruin Jack.



I don’t think it’s a case of Pep ruining anything with Jack Grealish. Jack knew who he was joining and what he was getting himself into. It was on him to become the key component of a side that has a chance to win every competition it enters and he is the one who will ruin it for himself. He had to evolve as a footballer and as a professional and instead he appears to be regressing. At Villa he was everything to us. Often to our detriment. At Man City he needs to quickly realize they will simply move on from him in a heartbeat and replace him with another top player irrespective of what they spent on him.
Exactly - he needs to become a different player.  Some people say pep makes players better - and he probably does with some, but he certainly trying to make Grealish something different.  I think hes a poor fit - but like you said it was down to Jack.  So far he hasnt delivered on or off the pitch.  There generational talent is Foden - and Grealish wont be thanked if he encourages Foden to be more like him off the pitch
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2021, 01:31:45 PM
I'm glad he's not setting the world on fire yet, but I do think the emphasis is on 'yet'.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 21, 2021, 01:38:55 PM
Hand on heart I can't see who he replaces in a full strength Man City team. Spurs or ManU would have suited him far better
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2021, 01:40:58 PM
What Grealish needs to do is learn how to fill the role that Gundogan and Bernardo Silva have taken, being quite deep in midfield but driving into the area and making things happen. His ability to carry the ball out, draw defenders and pick a pass should make him a superb option for it but he needs to work on the defensive team work part of the role and be more willing to take chances to shoot first time. That's the player I wanted him to be from the start and I think he can do it and I suspect that's what Guardiola sees as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 22, 2021, 08:57:49 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on December 22, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 22, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.

He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2021, 10:43:50 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.

He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.

What are going to use, magic beans?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.

I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 22, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.

I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
Yes I think, especially given our new regime, it's probably time to cut our losses and sadly say it's for the best all round now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.

I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
Yes I think, especially given our new regime, it's probably time to cut our losses and sadly say it's for the best all round now.

I agree.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 22, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.

He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.

What are going to use, magic beans?

You might be thinking of Juan Valdez.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
Barcelona spending £55m of their new bank loan on Ferran Torres from Man City.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 22, 2021, 09:41:44 PM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.

They are linked with everyone and anyone so the sad twats who watch from afar keep following the bias media like The Sun and Sky
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 23, 2021, 01:19:51 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.

He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.

What are going to use, magic beans?

Apparently (I can't be arsed validating it) their salary cap will come back up by a lot next season. It's not like they have a problem with taking on debt at that club, it's the salary cap holding them back this year.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2021, 08:44:15 AM
Barcelona spending £55m of their new bank loan on Ferran Torres from Man City.

Fuckin eejits
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 23, 2021, 04:45:15 PM
Will we swap one Brazilian striker for another? My friends who are Flameguistas (thankfully few in number) wouldn't be happy.

http://www.thehardtackle.com/news/2021/12/23/transfer-news-aston-villa-battle-west-ham-for-gabriel-barbosa/

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 25, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Speaking of Brazilians, Raphinha to Bayern Munchen apparently.

https://twitter.com/futbolbible/status/1474473975354961928?s=21
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
I would be tempted to have a good sale in January to add to the war chest.
Trez, AEG, Nakamba (I know he’s played well under SG), Bert (not consistent enough to be a top six player.  And maybe Ings.   
Use the money for two class full backs.   
Then break the bank in the summer for a striker.   
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on December 27, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
If we only bring in one player in Jan it is 100% a left back for me - Targett is simply nowhere near athletic enough to consistently put us on the front foot.  Need a full back on left with pace of a Cash but better football brain then Cash….then maybe in the summer replace Cash on the right also
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2021, 01:11:32 PM
Cash and Targett are decent but their poor crossing abilities and the tendency to make mistakes mean they are just not top six material.   
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Maitland Niles can play left back, right back and a whole host of other positions.

Would be ideal for where we are, but looks like he's off to Roma.

Owen Wijndal at AZ Alkmaar looks like the next Mino Raiola player to be hawked around.  Only 22 and already captains his club side. Played for Holland at left back. Depends if we want all the bollocks that goes with having a Raiola player on the books.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 27, 2021, 11:42:53 PM
I’ve got no problems with our midfield players at the moment they can interchange quite nicely
Obviously it’s a crying shame about Nakamba so there might be something there that needs addressing

but overall the midfield is our strongest dept at the mo
Central defence and the powder puff attack being far more of an issue for me
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
8th highest scorers in the league, so not too powder puff.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
I’ve got no problems with our midfield players at the moment they can interchange quite nicely
Obviously it’s a crying shame about Nakamba so there might be something there that needs addressing

but overall the midfield is our strongest dept at the mo
Central defence and the powder puff attack being far more of an issue for me
I agree that midfield is least of our worries ATM. We need to see how Sanson, Buendia, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey and Nakamba can turn into an effective 3. Upfront we need to see a run of games with both Bailey and Traore in the team alongside Watkins. It's defence where we need upgrades at left and centre.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 28, 2021, 12:02:11 AM
8th highest scorers in the league, so not too powder puff.

Watkins and Ings have scored a combined 8 goals this season so far
They need to be doing better than that imo
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2021, 12:34:05 AM
8th highest scorers in the league, so not too powder puff.

Watkins and Ings have scored a combined 8 goals this season so far
They need to be doing better than that imo

Yep. Konsa is only 1 behind Ings on 2.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2021, 12:46:41 AM
I like AEG but I think he is one we could cash in on next month.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on December 29, 2021, 12:56:44 PM
I like AEG but I think he is one we could cash in on next month.
I like AEG too, but I'd sell him at the right price. Just think we ought to cash in whilst his stock is still fairly high.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2021, 06:14:49 PM
An attacking left-back makes sense and Stevie G may have seen him at Hearts. https://twitter.com/AboutScotlandd/status/1476135253580390402
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on December 29, 2021, 06:52:14 PM
Pick one name.  Not the one you desperately want.  The one you believe will be first through the door.   I shoulod have said that I think the above named Hickey is the lad.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on December 29, 2021, 08:43:32 PM
He's started following Villa on social media, if that means owt.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2021, 09:00:25 PM
He's started following Villa on social media, if that means owt.

Must be happening then!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2021, 09:24:00 PM
Scotland seems to be a bit of a conveyor belt of attacking left-backs in recent times!

Honestly not sure if we desperately need anyone in this window.  If Nakamba is out for the rest of the season then I think we will need a replacement there, but not so sure about any other areas really and think we might be better waiting until the summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on December 29, 2021, 09:50:04 PM
He's started following Villa on social media, if that means owt.

Must be happening then!

Been following us and other clubs for a long time apparently.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 30, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
Tuanzebe rumoured to be recalled by ManU so they can flog him. Hope we're not gonna wing it till the summer and hope for the best.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on December 30, 2021, 08:29:05 AM
Tuanzebe rumoured to be recalled by ManU so they can flog him. Hope we're not gonna wing it till the summer and hope for the best.

If that's true I could see him end up at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
we need a new centre back regardless if Axel stays with us or not - we need better quality competition for Konsa and Mings regardless
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 30, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
we need a new centre back regardless if Axel stays with us or not - we need better quality competition for Konsa and Mings regardless

Agree
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
Hause is a good squad player - but can't see Gerrard picking him over Mings and Konsa
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on December 30, 2021, 09:09:17 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2021, 09:19:52 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 09:36:31 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 09:49:45 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
they all had a shocker that day
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on December 30, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
I think we need to look at someone to play one of SG 10s as they have all
been shocking. That said we signed two in the summer and it would seem a bit of an admission of failure by the scouting set up

I think he’ll be looking for full backs that provide more threat going forward.  The two Matts can’t cross for shit at the moment.

To be honest - what I would really like to see is us sign someone in any position that we can all agree is an obvious upgrade on what we have. 

I think we need to strong second half of the season to try and hold onto SJM and EMI in the summer

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 10:14:18 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?

We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
they all had a shocker that day

I have no problem with signing players who've had shockers, so long as we allow our own players the same grace when/if they've had an offday.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?

We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.

Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on December 30, 2021, 10:53:56 AM
I think we need to look at someone to play one of SG 10s as they have all
been shocking. That said we signed two in the summer and it would seem a bit of an admission of failure by the scouting set up

I think he’ll be looking for full backs that provide more threat going forward.  The two Matts can’t cross for shit at the moment.

To be honest - what I would really like to see is us sign someone in any position that we can all agree is an obvious upgrade on what we have. 

I think we need to strong second half of the season to try and hold onto SJM and EMI in the summer



On the last point you make, I'd like to believe that a decent run of form would be enough to keep our better players, but I don't.  If they are off, it's already a done thing bar the paperwork and serious injury, and our results between now and the end of the season is utterly irrelevant. 

It might be different for lesser players, but for players like SJM and Martinez, where we'd be looking at >£70m each, I think they are planned / agreed (certainly in principle) well in advance.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?

Alongside Virgil Van Dijk? Yes that one.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2021, 11:27:21 AM
Tuanzebe is rumoured to Napoli isn't he?
Whilst I think Gomez is an upgrade I'm not sure I see him starting ahead of Mings and Konsa. And the reality is that to get better we need to sign better players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 11:36:11 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?

We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.

Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.

The way you put it inferred that you knew Gomez started that game and played crap so we should avoid him, I concluded from that that you may think the same about any other player that had suffered the same in their  career which I think would be foolish.

If it was just a question then yes, yes it’s the same Gomez that played in that game and yes, I think, he’s a definite upgrade on Axel and if he shows anything like the form of a few seasons back could be the best centre half at the club.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
Gomez only played an hour of the 7-2.

Even if we followed that logic in judging him, we’d be looking the same way at the other three defenders that night, who are three of the best in Europe.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 11:46:13 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?

That would be a big upgrade.

Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?

We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.

Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.

The way you put it inferred that you knew Gomez started that game and played crap so we should avoid him, I concluded from that that you may think the same about any other player that had suffered the same in their  career which I think would be foolish.

If it was just a question then yes, yes it’s the same Gomez that played in that game and yes, I think, he’s a definite upgrade on Axel and if he shows anything like the form of a few seasons back could be the best centre half at the club.

It was a closed question. Yes or no would have done instead of the rabbit hole you chose to explore.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 11:57:02 AM
Whatever, if I got the wrong end of the stick so be it but we both know I didn’t as others pointed it out too. Anyway transfers…
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2021, 01:01:06 PM
Gomez only played an hour of the 7-2.

Even if we followed that logic in judging him, we’d be looking the same way at the other three defenders that night, who are three of the best in Europe.

Only an hour...enough time to rip them though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 01:05:41 PM
Whatever, if I got the wrong end of the stick so be it but we both know I didn’t as others pointed it out too. Anyway transfers…
You didn't :)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 30, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Whenever I've seen Gomez, he's been crap. Has pace, but not much else.

Not sure how old he is? If still fairly young, I guess he could improve. Struggle to see him being better than Konsa though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
I would think on the Gomez thing that Gerrard has seen him at close quarters when he was coaching at Liverpool
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2021, 03:59:11 PM
I would think on the Gomez thing that Gerrard has seen him at close quarters when he was coaching at Liverpool
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do

Gomez was signed from Charlton so he may not have been involved when Gerrard was at the club, certainly as a youth coach.

I do think he is an upgrade on Axel, however I’d prefer us to sign first XI players rather than squad players.  We should be aiming to develop those in the academy.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
I would think on the Gomez thing that Gerrard has seen him at close quarters when he was coaching at Liverpool
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do

Gomez was signed from Charlton so he may not have been involved when Gerrard was at the club, certainly as a youth coach.

I do think he is an upgrade on Axel, however I’d prefer us to sign first XI players rather than squad players.  We should be aiming to develop those in the academy.

Oh
That’s my theory out the window then
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on December 30, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
There are many C/Backs that are an upgrade on Axel
What we need are players that are an upgrade on our starting 11
I guess it is a bit unfair to write off our summer purchases because for one reason or another we have not seen much of them
Also depends on money available and season end expectations
Tough Midfielder, cover at left back and maybe he thinks we need a proper number 9
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
There are many C/Backs that are an upgrade on Axel
Shaun Teale out of retirement runs him close...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on December 30, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
Davis heading to Forest on loan.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Davis heading to Forest on loan.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/
He'll suddenly turn into a goal machine.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 30, 2021, 06:24:42 PM
That's a good move for him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2021, 06:47:15 PM
Bournemouth maybe even better if the line in that report about them being interested was true.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2021, 06:47:55 PM
He needs this. He will discover more about himself and his abilities by way of this loan. Personally I think that’s his level and it’s perfectly fine if that’s what it is. And he might still become a PL footballer but not as it stands today. Best of luck KD.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 30, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
He'll do well at either. FTF.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2021, 07:55:35 PM
Goal-shy though Davis is, I can see how him alongside Grabban up front might work.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
Whenever I've seen Gomez, he's been crap. Has pace, but not much else.

Not sure how old he is? If still fairly young, I guess he could improve. Struggle to see him being better than Konsa though.

Pretty sure he can play at RB so might see him come in and fill in on occasions.

Think it's a cert Hause will leave end of season and not convinced Gerrard is sold on Mings yet so we certainly need a new CB at some point in next 6 months.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 08:14:52 PM
Was Gomez not a starter for the Liverpool team that won the league and went near on 12 months without defeat
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2021, 08:31:17 PM
Yes, I’d be happy with him too. Competition is the thing, Mings needs better competition for his place and if that makes him a better player, great. Or if Gomez is playing well enough to dislodge Mings it’ll mean he’s playing very well. Hause isn’t bad, but never going to dislodge Mings permanently and Axel is pretty average at this level.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:49:27 PM
Was Gomez not a starter for the Liverpool team that won the league and went near on 12 months without defeat

don't be silly, he had one bad game once, you know....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2021, 09:20:32 PM
If we’re going to bring in a real top player that will expect to start every match it still needs to be in midfield for me.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on December 30, 2021, 10:19:09 PM
Looking at the way Gerrard has us set up, I’d expect him to sign a fullback with attacking qualities
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
I still think he’ll go for a centre half with better control of the ball skills and passing skills than the ones we’ve got
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2021, 12:43:08 AM
We need to sort the inverted 10s before the full backs or centre halves. They lose the ball at will and are neither good enough on the ball to retain possession, or threatening enough. Buendia has a lot of potential, Bailey I'm not sold on and the other options are a bit samey. A top quality couple of creative players that can help us retain the ball there will be the biggest step forward. Oh and a Pirlo like holding mid. And some movement. And eventually a more clinical version of Watkins. And a better Mings. Lot of work to do.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 31, 2021, 01:26:43 AM
"... and a Pirlo like holding mid" would do it for me, but it ain't gonna happen in this window.
Hate to say it, but we need a strategic rather than a tactical window. I saw Lewis Grabban, a decent player, on the box recently and I remember the way we were.   
 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 31, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
Davis heading to Forest on loan.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/

He will get injured getting into his car
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2021, 08:47:53 AM
We need to sort the inverted 10s before the full backs or centre halves. They lose the ball at will and are neither good enough on the ball to retain possession, or threatening enough. Buendia has a lot of potential, Bailey I'm not sold on and the other options are a bit samey. A top quality couple of creative players that can help us retain the ball there will be the biggest step forward. Oh and a Pirlo like holding mid. And some movement. And eventually a more clinical version of Watkins. And a better Mings. Lot of work to do.

If Gerrard sticks with the two 10s then I’d love us to sign Pulisic from Chelsea in the summer, he seems to be on the edge of their plans.  Keep Bailey and another winger for variation then cash in on the rest.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
already injured his hand signing the contract
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
I can understand the suggestions for a number 10 type player but wouldn't that be pushing like the likes of Chukwemeka and Aaron Ramsey down the pecking order?

That said, I've always liked Jessie Lingard personally. A little different to what we already have and he likes to run at players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 31, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
 The only signing i want is bissouma in January

Unrealistic i know but he would be a absolute incredible signing
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on December 31, 2021, 10:11:20 AM
The only signing i want is bissouma in January

Unrealistic i know but he would be a absolute incredible signing

And because it’s Villa, he’ll be handed a significant custodial sentence for a significant chunk of any contract.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on December 31, 2021, 10:51:35 AM
I’m not sure we’ll sign anyone in the January window but it will be interesting to see what type of players Gerrard and his team do you go for in the foreseeable future

Let’s face it most important thing at any club is the manager, and the second most important is the players he brings in



Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 10:57:07 AM
Think we'll struggle to improve much on last season if we don't bring in players. I realise players are hard to get in January, but a few injuries in the defence especially, and we're down to kids
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
Bissouma can do better than us - he's class. He'd get in the Man Utd or Arsenal midfield at least - probably Liverpool too now Milner is getting on a bit
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2021, 01:13:18 PM
Think we'll struggle to improve much on last season if we don't bring in players. I realise players are hard to get in January, but a few injuries in the defence especially, and we're down to kids

Think we are at the point now though where the squad is in reasonable shape and we need real quality to come in to improve the starting XI if we are going to move forward.  With Nakamba out injured, I would settle for just a quality defensive midfielder coming in really and then looking at it again in the summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 01:23:48 PM
I don't know. Ignoring COVID, we're really at the mercy of random injuries of the 2months/6months type. Get Konsa, Mings and Cash out at the same time for example and we probably won't be going down, but we won't be finishing in the lower European places. During the summer we let go of a lot of squad players and didn't really replace them, apart from a 36 year old and a loanee. Looking how it played out we were obviously on a budget when another 25m would have covered us better.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on December 31, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Bissouma can do better than us - he's class. He'd get in the Man Utd or Arsenal midfield at least - probably Liverpool too now Milner is getting on a bit
He's exactly what Man Utd need. Huge upgrade on McTominay and Fred. Brighton have done well to keep him this long but if and when he does leave it'll be to a club higher in the pecking order than us unfortunately.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2021, 02:21:58 PM
I doubt anyone will be looking at Bissouma in this window with his off field issues.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Billy Walker on December 31, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
Bissouma can do better than us - he's class. He'd get in the Man Utd or Arsenal midfield at least - probably Liverpool too now Milner is getting on a bit
He's exactly what Man Utd need. Huge upgrade on McTominay and Fred. Brighton have done well to keep him this long but if and when he does leave it'll be to a club higher in the pecking order than us unfortunately.

We're at the stage in our progression where we need to start making the signings that will lift us up the pecking order, so I wouldn't be surprised if (in the summer , at least) we start to see Villa move in for the Bissouma-level of signing. (*Fingers crossed*)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on December 31, 2021, 03:00:36 PM
I’m not sure we’ll sign anyone in the January window but it will be interesting to see what type of players Gerrard and his team do you go for in the foreseeable future

Let’s face it most important thing at any club is the manager, and the second most important is the players he brings in

Not a chance we don't sign anyone. A couple of articles have already suggested Gerrard's got players in mind, plus I think there's belief among the club hierarchy that Europe isn't out if the question.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 31, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
I doubt anyone will be looking at Bissouma in this window with his off field issues.


small heath would
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 31, 2021, 03:06:46 PM
I have a feeling we might cash in on Ings , with someone like Newcastle being interested .  Probably indigestion
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on December 31, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
I have a feeling we might cash in on Ings , with someone like Newcastle being interested .  Probably indigestion

Would be a massive risk having no backup with Watkins inevitably getting crocked the day after Ings leaves.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2021, 03:55:56 PM
I think it depends on what happens to Cam Archer this window. Also it’s possible if we did sell Ings that we might bring in another player more suited to the style we are looking to play. Danny Ings as excellent as we all know he can be looks a bit out of place at the moment.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer.  With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
Do we really want to go into the rest of the season with a backup of a player who hasn't figured for two years and a kid whose only real outings have been against Barrow and Chelsea reserves?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Depends if you think Wes is permanently crocked. At 24 he's hardly too old to come good. The trouble we have is 2 fringe england players who can't play together with room for one of them to play. Seems a bit extravagant to keep one as a reserve.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2021, 04:12:54 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer.  With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.

Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 31, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
We need to keep our better or more experienced players, Ings included, unless there was a really sensible swap option and a potential to bring in another like for like replacement.  Interesting that Gerrard seems to want to make the Tuanzebe loan permanent.  Wants to explore him staying longer term was the comment at the press conference.  Individuals identified to bring in and a comment about 'a few going the other way' on loan.  Sounds to me like we are confident of bringing in the players identified.  Losing Traore, Trez for a while due to ACON and Bailey's injury so I guess we may see more action at the beginning of the window. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 04:16:32 PM
he got 5 goals in 21 games in a struggling side and his first season here so would have probably have hit double figures for the season on that form. He's hardly the full Davis  ;)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
Depends if you think Wes is permanently crocked. At 24 he's hardly too old to come good. The trouble we have is 2 fringe england players who can't play together with room for one of them to play. Seems a bit extravagant to keep one as a reserve.

One on the pitch, one on the bench. Other clubs manage it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 04:31:43 PM
Depends if you think Wes is permanently crocked. At 24 he's hardly too old to come good. The trouble we have is 2 fringe england players who can't play together with room for one of them to play. Seems a bit extravagant to keep one as a reserve.

One on the pitch, one on the bench. Other clubs manage it.

If they've got the games....i.e. Europe. I doubt Ings or Watkins will be happy with 20 sub appearances. At this stage, Ings is 29, he's not gonna get any better, I'd rather have a younger back-up personally.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on December 31, 2021, 04:31:59 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer.  With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.

Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?

yeah, sorry.. Wes is a nice guy but no way will he cut it at this level. He couldn't trap a ball, couldn't head a ball, couldn't beat a defender off the dribble, couldn't shoot very well. I fail to see any attribute he possesses that would improve our side at the moment. If Ings doesn't work with Ollie in this formation, then Wes definitely won't fit.

All sounds a bit harsh, but I wish him well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer.  With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.

Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?

Aside from not being very good I cannot think of another player less suited to the way Gerrard wants to play than Wesley. The sooner we are shot of him the better. It’s a massive shame we didn’t see if he could become a PL footballer because he was improving until he got cut down by that ****** Mee. But in truth he never really had the mobility for this level.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 31, 2021, 05:21:29 PM
I like Ings a lot and was very happy when we signed him but he does look like a bit of a square peg in a round hole with us. I think if someone wanted to offer a good fee for him and we could then sign someone of the right standard that’s a bit more versatile it wouldn’t be a bad idea. The chances of that in Jan are slim though.
I liked Wes and thought he just needed a bit of time to adapt, similar to a few signings we made that summer but sadly I think the injury has finished him at this level.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2021, 05:30:36 PM
When we signed Ings I think Dean ultimately wanted to play Watkins to the left of him. That's similar to where he started his career. But it just never worked. Nobody on here was disappointed in signing one of the most prolific strikers at PL level. But we never used him properly. That's on Dean Smith as much as anyone if he was in favour of bringing him to the club.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2021, 05:37:37 PM
Smith's plan always seemed to be to change the team's shape to 3-5-2 to accommodate him. He only really fell onto the 4-2-3-1 as a way of accommodating JG.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on December 31, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves.  We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.

Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows.  That's what good competition is all about.  I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on December 31, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves.  We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.

Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows.  That's what good competition is all about.  I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.


100% we definitely need this in place if we're to be competing in Europe and getting further in cup competitions.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on December 31, 2021, 09:16:26 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on December 31, 2021, 09:20:08 PM
This is what Wiki says about him;

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He is noted for his "lung-busting stamina, excellent technique and continuous enterprise
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 31, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.

Pretty good defender although not the tallest.

From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.

Pretty good defender although not the tallest.

From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.

According to t'interwebnet, his contract expires in the summer, Ajax paid £4m for him and he's on £25k a week.

Could be a short term signing - 3 Yr deal as a back up/competitor for Targett.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:31:00 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.

Pretty good defender although not the tallest.

From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.

According to t'interwebnet: his contract expires in the summer, Ajax paid £4m fir him and he's on £25k a week.

Would bring solid experience to the squad and provide backup/competition for Targett.

Possibly a 3yr deal?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:32:03 PM
Oops, double post.

Apologies
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
Looks ideal to give Targett some real competition down the left. Young is clearly seen as a utility mid/ forward and has justified that in his performances. Getting an experienced top level international left back would be a good signing.

On Ings, no chance he leaves in Jan, and I would hate to strengthen Newcastle. I've been disappointed in him, his all round game has been pretty mediocre, but he has not had a whole load of chances. I think long term he will be used in a transfer make weight next summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: yammers on January 01, 2022, 12:49:36 AM
I see that Newcastle have had another game called off and that their opponents, Southampton, are asking for more transparency around injuries and who the Covid cases are.  Think they might be suggesting that certain clubs maybe using certain situations to their advantage so they can buy themselves out of trouble with more games to play afterwards.
I wonder if they should scrap this window in order to keep a level playing field.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2022, 12:52:50 AM
Absolutely fuck all happening at Villa Park. The window has been open now for ..ermmm... at least almost an hour and no sign of any player coming in. NGE.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ez on January 01, 2022, 09:06:17 AM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves.  We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.

Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows.  That's what good competition is all about.  I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.

Far too early to give up on Ings but maybe loan him out to Newcastle for the rest of the season. They would take him in the hope he keeps them up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
I wouldn’t be helping Newcastle out at all.  Once they’re safe in the premier league their spending will take up a European spot, which will make our task even harder. We need to keep Ings, but not try and shoehorn him and Watkins into the same starting 11. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2022, 09:46:53 AM
Yeah, bollocks to helping Newcastle out of their vat of acid. Let them dissolve into it like their victims.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 01, 2022, 10:17:51 AM
I think we should look to move some players on - I would say El Ghazi and Ings should be sold while we can get good money for them- and use the money to bring in a more suitable or versatile replacement. 

I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign some more experienced players to be honest - ones that wouldn’t mind rotating with the youth players as they get a bit older maybe in midfield in particular as we have some great players coming through and don’t want to block there pathway
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2022, 10:46:17 AM
We should continue to sign better players regardless of the kids coming through as we don't know how good they are going to be.  We are stunting our own growth on what might become?  Keep Ings.  He will come good. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2022, 10:52:48 AM
I would happily sell ings in the summer. Its just not worked out here for him and he is pushing 30.

We could still get around 20m-25m if we sell him in the summer
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2022, 11:16:41 AM
Newcastle will struggle to stay up, difficult to get decent players in January especially when you look like playing championship football next season. Then it might take a couple of seasons to get back up again, their better players will be looking for a move.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 01, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
I would happily sell ings in the summer. Its just not worked out here for him and he is pushing 30.

We could still get around 20m-25m if we sell him in the summer

I'd want a profit so now would be the time. I really have no problem with the guy and I could see him scoring double figures for us this season if he got the nod from Mr. Gerrard, but if him and Watkins can't play together then you have to choose one or the other, and neither will be happy being a sub. If Ings is the one to miss out then you've got a 120k a week striker as a sub. Given the age and potential of Watkins then I think you have to go with him imo.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2022, 11:40:34 AM
Newcastle will have to use the loan market.  I guess many players wouldn't want to go there to be involved in a relegation battle, unless they have a clause in their contract to leave if they go down, even if that is a loan arrangement and they come back if they come back up.  Money is going to talk too as Eddie Howe is hardly a massive pull (IMO). 

Back to Villa, I am really keen to see who Steven Gerrard has identified for us.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
Absolutely fuck all happening at Villa Park. The window has been open now for ..ermmm... at least almost an hour and no sign of any player coming in. NGE.

1 hour you say? Totally unacceptable that we haven't brought at least three in yet.  NSWE, Lange and Gerrard all out!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 01, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves.  We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.

Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows.  That's what good competition is all about.  I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.

Far too early to give up on Ings but maybe loan him out to Newcastle for the rest of the season. They would take him in the hope he keeps them up.

Unless the loan fee was north of £35 million, it's a no from me Clive.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2022, 04:30:05 PM
Lucas Digne, anyone? - always liked his aggressive approach and attacking style.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on January 01, 2022, 04:33:31 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing.  The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing...  Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing.  The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing...  Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...

Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on January 01, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Lucas Digne, anyone? - always liked his aggressive approach and attacking style.

That's a yes from me.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on January 01, 2022, 04:45:30 PM
Where do Watford keep getting their unknown Brazilians, we need their agent
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Lucas Digne, anyone? - always liked his aggressive approach and attacking style.
And he has already scored for us this season.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: charlatan on January 01, 2022, 05:59:53 PM
Where do Watford keep getting their unknown Brazilians, we need their agent

Brazil?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on January 01, 2022, 06:04:24 PM
Keinan off to Forest, done deal.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on January 02, 2022, 07:46:05 AM
I confidently expect a statement signing.  The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing...  Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...

Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Maybe we will sign him or maybe we heard it here first?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
I confidently expect a statement signing.  The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing...  Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...

Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Maybe we will sign him or maybe we heard it here first?

Maybe we heard it here first.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2022, 10:11:39 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.

Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 10:38:25 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.

Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.

Reports over the last few days put his buyout clause at around £18m so not an astronomical price. Possibly fit in as one of the 10’s as well as competition for Watkins, perhaps agent Emi could have a word.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:16:14 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.

Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.

Reports over the last few days put his buyout clause at around £18m so not an astronomical price. Possibly fit in as one of the 10’s as well as competition for Watkins, perhaps agent Emi could have a word.

I think this is an element of disappointed with our summer business - something like that would have been better than Ings - as even if it didn’t work
Immediately - there is time on there side. 

I think Emi2 and Bailey could come good - but Emi particularly seems expensive for what he has shown so far. 

Problem is it feels like most of the clubs above us are getting better at least as quickly as we are - so it feels like this summer was a missed opportunity
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
The summer of discontent.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:25:58 AM
The summer of discontent.
This summer coming I think will be a big one - can we keep hold of our best players. 

Ollie, Emi and SJM have all been linked to moves to the sky 6. 

Think that could be a real crunch time for where we sit in the scheme of things
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
The summer of discontent.
This summer coming I think will be a big one - can we keep hold of our best players. 

Ollie, Emi and SJM have all been linked to moves to the sky 6. 

Think that could be a real crunch time for where we sit in the scheme of things

I think we’ll keep them if we have a good month in January and a good start to the summer window.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on January 02, 2022, 11:35:28 AM
Totally agree this summer will be a massive one for the club, if we can keep hold of our better players

We may struggle to do this can see Emi and McGinn wanting to test themsey playing for a champions league club
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Totally agree this summer will be a massive one for the club, if we can keep hold of our better players

We may struggle to do this can see Emi and McGinn wanting to test themsey playing for a champions league club
Yeah that’s my fear - and then we’re basically stuck in a holding pattern where each summer we are struggling to stay still. 

Mind you - none of that has actually happened yet
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 11:50:03 AM
El Ghazi and Luiz linked outwards.  If we can bring in our targets, I wouldn't mind either going to be honest.  Never been sold on either player.   I don't consider either to be amongst our better players but do agree that we need to keep certain ones in order to move forward.  Luiz is an enigma as I can understand some thinking he's a decent player. Not strong enough and hasn't moved on for me. Neither has El Ghazi.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 02, 2022, 11:51:00 AM
It's why January is so important. If we get the right players in, then at least a European place is possible. Get to May this summer and we're in the same place as last year then the likes of Luis will be looking at Arsenal, One thing announcing Mr. Gerrard as us entering the big time and competing, but you have to back the guy when it can make a difference.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2022, 12:08:12 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases. Usually in this window a targeted specific player such as a defender, a goal scorer etc can give a team required lift to achieve more than their current squad provides but it is not the time to reshape the team. I am not sure we should splash out in this window. The manager needs more time to assess current squad before we spend big numbers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2022, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not sure, I think January transfers can be more than that but I've always been of the opinion that you should sign players in january 2 reasons, they either fill a  very specific hole in your squad (as you say) or they're players you're signing for the next season not now and the idea is that they can get the new club/league/country problems out of the way under lower pressure. Sanson was very much that type of signing and I think without the injury problems we'd have seen that sooner.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 02, 2022, 12:18:47 PM
Well a lot of very good players have arrived at clubs in January so i'm not sure that's true. You buy when the opportunity presents itself and with a lot of clubs skint around Europe and players in the last year of their contracts, then I would suggest the time is right. We're heading to Brentford with Mings out and while Hause is probably decent cover, that's it really if Tuanzebe goes back. All clubs have to cope with injuries but we are threadbare in certain areas so we can risk it and hope everyone stays fit, or not and the season peters out if we get hit by more injuries.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases.

I reckon that Vidic, Suarez and Young (among lots of others) suggest this statement to be untrue.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 02, 2022, 12:53:00 PM
John Carew was an exceptional January signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 02, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
We signed Mings in January too
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2022, 01:01:07 PM
I think that January is the perfect time for mid table sides to make strategic purchases as it won't affect the season too much...
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases. Usually in this window a targeted specific player such as a defender, a goal scorer etc can give a team required lift to achieve more than their current squad provides but it is not the time to reshape the team. I am not sure we should splash out in this window. The manager needs more time to assess current squad before we spend big numbers.
Based on his press conference,
I don’t think Gerrard agrees with you.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2022, 01:14:42 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases. Usually in this window a targeted specific player such as a defender, a goal scorer etc can give a team required lift to achieve more than their current squad provides but it is not the time to reshape the team. I am not sure we should splash out in this window. The manager needs more time to assess current squad before we spend big numbers.

Disagree.

Jan 2007 we got in Carew and Young and that quickly lifted us from 12th to 6th.

Bent a few years later did a very good job in the short term.

In our promotion season Mings was signed from nowhere and three years on remains a key player.

Of course you get poor transfer windows but I always think at least with decent Jan signings they have a few months to settle in and then hopefully start the next season well. Let's say we could've signed Buendia last Jan then I'm sure he'd have played better than he has so far.

With other clubs West Ham in Jan 2020 signed Soucek and Bowen and both are now key players in top 6 team.

As for now I think we'll just sign a DM and possibly a full back. Rest can wait until the summer as we're fairly strong in numbers in pretty much every other area.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 02:25:29 PM
Hause ffs. So sloppy
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: levico on January 02, 2022, 03:01:57 PM
Can we have some players who can pass please.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 03:53:56 PM
Rip it apart Gerrard.  Many aren't up to the task. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2022, 04:10:50 PM
We absolutely need to strengthen in this window

Too many players just not good enough
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 02, 2022, 04:16:01 PM
We absolutely need to strengthen in this window

Too many players just not good enough

Gerrard will have seen all that he needs. Can imagine that our starting XI for the first game of next season will look very different to today's.

Thankfully.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2022, 04:16:43 PM
Depends for what metric.

Top 4, lightyears away from that.

Top 7, Good two seasons probably but you never know.

8th-10th, can still challenge for that this season given it's always inconsistant in this part of the table.

I think we're capable of hitting 50 points, hopefully that's enough to get top half and that would be fine for me given the situation two months back.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
El Ghazi and Luiz linked outwards.  If we can bring in our targets, I wouldn't mind either going to be honest.  Never been sold on either player.   I don't consider either to be amongst our better players but do agree that we need to keep certain ones in order to move forward.  Luiz is an enigma as I can understand some thinking he's a decent player. Not strong enough and hasn't moved on for me. Neither has El Ghazi.

Luiz looks to me like a player who'd do well if rotated regularly by a top three club, rather than being a key midfielder for a team like ours.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2022, 04:38:42 PM
Two full backs and a centre half would be good business in January. 

And sell off the likes of AEG Trez Bert etc.   Give youth a go. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Digne for around £25m apparently
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2022, 05:48:03 PM
Bent a few years later did a very good job in the short term.

At exorbitant cost. Smashed our transfer record on a player who played 61 league games for us before being given a free transfer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 02, 2022, 05:52:34 PM
Digne for around £25m apparently

Not a bad shout. His days with Everton seem to be over. He would be a step up from Targett for sure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
Digne for around £25m apparently

Not a bad shout. His days with Everton seem to be over. He would be a step up from Targett for sure.
Should be looking to buy players on the up.   
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 06:35:19 PM
I think with everyone fit, I think based on what I’ve seen from them overall in a Villa shirt this would be my best 11
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Traore, Watkins, Buendia.
I’d love to shoehorn Ings into it but I just think that gives the best balance.
I think only 4 of those players are definitely good enough for top 6 as things stand and I think we need to replace in this order (unless they improve a lot)…
Luiz - with a dominant, tough no nonsense DM
Traore - with a better right winger
Targett - with a better version that offers more going forward
Ramsey - with a player that can break into the box and score goals (Ramsey might end up being good enough as he is still developing)
Cash - see Targett but I think Cash might get back to last season or better, he needs to
Buendia - just a better version, not as lightweight. It is still early days so maybe he’ll get there.
Mings - A better version without the cock ups. Again, he could improve though still.
All of those above are good enough for the squad though, plus Ings and maybe Bailey if he gets his shit together.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 06:50:53 PM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on January 02, 2022, 07:18:56 PM
some good scouting needed to find players who will fit into and play in a style the managers wants
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 08:48:40 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.

Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 09:08:01 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.

Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question

He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on January 02, 2022, 09:29:20 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.

Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question

He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.




Not only that but a left footed back up adequate thats happy to be. Like rocking horse crap to find.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 09:32:21 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.

Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question

He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.

I'd agree, with the amount of games he usually plays he's fine. There was a time last season when he came in for Mings did brilliantly and, imo, was really unlucky to be dropped when Mings was fit or free from suspension.
I suppose its a question of prioritising, if Gerrard wants to strengthen that position Mings will drop to first reserve but for me there's more pressing matters to address first.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2022, 09:47:26 PM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 10:01:58 PM
Twitter and Daily Mail links to Denis Zakaria of Borussia Moenchengladbach I think.  No idea if he's any good but I hope we finally get the DCM we badly need.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on January 02, 2022, 10:06:37 PM
Twitter and Daily Mail links to Denis Zakaria of Borussia Moenchengladbach I think.  No idea if he's any good but I hope we finally get the DCM we badly need.

It feels like people are getting hints from the Mail’s Football Manager videos…
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on January 02, 2022, 10:12:37 PM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.
No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 10:14:43 PM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.
No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 10:35:46 PM
Twitter and Daily Mail links to Denis Zakaria of Borussia Moenchengladbach I think.  No idea if he's any good but I hope we finally get the DCM we badly need.

I believe he’d be on a free at the end of the season.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 12:56:01 AM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?

Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 03, 2022, 03:53:23 AM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.
No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.

I don't think there's a fall-out. But Chelsea-fans seem pretty certain he will be signing for them in January. With both Reece and Chilwell out it'd make sense for them to be hunting for full-backs.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2022, 06:07:54 AM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.
No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.

I don't think there's a fall-out. But Chelsea-fans seem pretty certain he will be signing for them in January. With both Reece and Chilwell out it'd make sense for them to be hunting for full-backs.
Benitez dropping him from the squad, then refusing to say why he was dropped and subsequently making comments about his attitude.
So no fall out , right.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on January 03, 2022, 08:15:46 AM
Don’t know much about Denis Zakaria but a 6ft 3 Swiss DM on paper fits the bill
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 03, 2022, 10:01:00 AM
You would hope Gerrard would be able to identify a good one.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2022, 10:03:42 AM
Don’t know much about Denis Zakaria but a 6ft 3 Swiss DM on paper fits the bill

A quick Google reveals he's been linked with Man U in January. And to prove that we're not the only city with a truly dire local newspaper, the Manchester Evening News ran a story about putting him in their Fifa team on the Playstation to see how he'd get on.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 10:52:12 AM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.

Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2022, 10:56:20 AM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?

Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.

 Two jazz mags and a dildo.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 03, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?

Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.

 Two jazz mags and a dildo.
After careful reflection I think we should accept the offer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2022, 11:09:31 AM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.

Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
I think all those teams have better first X1 players than us and  Kane Saka Son Rice Soucek Antonio, Smith Rowe Tierney.
The league table is a pretty good indicator of the difference.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
I think some of the comments since yesterday are totally over the top. We've got a squad that, under a manager that plays the way that suits them, would finish top half. However a few of them are struggling to adapt to what Gerrard wants them doing.

Targett isn't attacking enough to be the outlet on that side and Luiz is clearly better in the left of the 3 role in midfield (where he's played very well since Gerrard arrived).

This window should see us address both of those issues and get in another centre half, which is probably as much as you want to do in January. In the summer I'd expect a bit more focus on the attacking side.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.

Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
I think all those teams have better first X1 players than us and  Kane Saka Son Rice Soucek Antonio, Smith Rowe Tierney.
The league table is a pretty good indicator of the difference.

they have some of course, and I wouldn't disagree with any of those names, but in other areas its not the case - They certainly have better cover - we couldn't leave SJM on the bench for 3 games like Arsenal have done with Smith Rowe for example.  More encouraging is those names cost their clubs the grand total of 71m. so basically the joe fee with 30m left over. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
London Evening Standard are saying Arsenal interested in both Ollie and Douglas.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 03, 2022, 11:36:57 AM
And were interested in Saka and rice.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2022, 11:40:54 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Can't see it myself. If we flogged Watkins to Arsenal who desperately need a striker then you'd have to say we have no intention of competing with them.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 03, 2022, 11:46:59 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
I’m hoping it’s to keep Man Utd guessing
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on January 03, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
I thought he was talking about absentees and said we have covid and injury issues and that Watkins would be back for the next game. I thought he was quite clear without being explicit.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2022, 11:54:13 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.

As I said in the other thread, Gerrard has been at great pains not to single people out who are out with Covid, even when it's glaringly obvious. He said something in the post match thread about not saying whether players are out with Covid or an injury, and then said Ollie should be back for the next game. My Sherlock Holmes super-sleuthing ability therefore lead me to believe that Watkins has Covid and won't be joining Arsenal this transfer window.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 12:07:21 PM
See Everton have been busy. A left-back and now Rangers right'back. Unlikely we're gonna raid them I reckon if that happens. Maybe Mr Gerrard agreed not to come in for players in exchange for moving here?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 01:59:29 PM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.

Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.

The problem is that any fringe players that have ambition are going to want to play regular games or else they'll be off (ie Tuanzebe). We're not in Europe, likely to be knocked-out early in both Cup competitions so there is less game time to share round than at Spurs or West Ham.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 03, 2022, 02:57:36 PM
According to Nixon we are after a left back, a DCM and a replacement centre half.  Obvious I know but he’s usually pretty clued up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 03:13:13 PM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.

Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.

The problem is that any fringe players that have ambition are going to want to play regular games or else they'll be off (ie Tuanzebe). We're not in Europe, likely to be knocked-out early in both Cup competitions so there is less game time to share round than at Spurs or West Ham.

yeah but the likes of West Ham played the same amount of games as us last season. What i'm saying is if you look at Chicago Lion's list of players who he thinks are better than ours, 4 of them cost their clubs nothing as youth players, and the other 3 cost an average of 17m so well within our means to buy similar. I don't think we're too far off competing with the right acquisitions and more strength in depth than we have now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 04:02:24 PM
The two full backs that Everton are about to sign - have we missed a trick on either ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
Dunno. Both young, Rangers lad is highly rated, Mykolenko has 22 caps so possibly good signings I guess.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on January 03, 2022, 05:29:35 PM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?

Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.

 Two jazz mags and a dildo.

We’d have their pants down
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 03, 2022, 06:12:07 PM
The lad on loan at Stockport has been recalled….Arkhily??
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on January 03, 2022, 06:38:42 PM
Louie Barry & Arjan Raikny both recalled from their loans.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 03, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
According to Nixon we are after a left back, a DCM and a replacement centre half.  Obvious I know but he’s usually pretty clued up.

Sounds about right. If we offload El Ghazi and Trez with no sign of Bailey coming back to make an impact this season I’d get another wide attacker as well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2022, 09:32:06 PM
The holding midfielder we needed in the summer is still the most important. Nakamba showed for 4-5 games how vital it is to have a pure sitter that can break it up and read the game. Luiz isn't disciplined enough to play that in this formation. He's good enough to play the other roles, but not the holding role.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on January 04, 2022, 08:19:29 AM
The holding midfielder we needed in the summer is still the most important. Nakamba showed for 4-5 games how vital it is to have a pure sitter that can break it up and read the game. Luiz isn't disciplined enough to play that in this formation. He's good enough to play the other roles, but not the holding role.

I also think this is the key. Get this right and we will be golden.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 04, 2022, 08:28:19 AM
Louie Barry & Arjan Raikny both recalled from their loans.
Might be 'automatic' recalls as none of them have figured much, so they'll be loaned elsewhere.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
4 days now and not a scoobie.  >:(
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Allan C on January 04, 2022, 10:48:44 AM
4 days now and not a scoobie.  >:(
That’s the way I like it though. Do the talking when they’re holding a Villa shirt up on the pitch
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 10:59:50 AM
Need to get it done quickly imo. Only 3 games in January (atm) so perfect time to get players acclimatized
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 11:21:54 AM
Need to get it done quickly imo. Only 3 games in January (atm) so perfect time to get players acclimatized
Agreed - expecting 3 worldies (vomit) in by the end of the day
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on January 04, 2022, 01:00:12 PM
Need Bissouma to be cleared of the assault charge and pay Brighton whatever it takes.

IMO.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 01:00:35 PM
Need to get it done quickly imo. Only 3 games in January (atm) so perfect time to get players acclimatized
Agreed - expecting 3 worldies (vomit) in by the end of the day

Yep. Mr Gerrard hasn't had training to do so no excuses. They should have been lined up at the door on Jan 1st.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
We’re skint.  Players leaving before we will buy.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 01:30:39 PM
We’re skint.  Players leaving before we will buy.

FFP skint or actually skint?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2022, 01:33:13 PM
I mean we’re obviously not skint.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on January 04, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
No chance Gerrard would sign up for the job if we were skint. And even less chance considering he says we have exciting targets lined up and we’d be lucky to get £15m total for any outgoings.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2022, 01:40:51 PM
We're not skint.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 01:53:00 PM
Sorry not skint.  Wrong word.  But sell to buy.  Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
Sorry not skint.  Wrong word.  But sell to buy.  Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.

Oh  dear, you mentioned the F words...…….

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/8d/c9/c08dc948c05732434ed2a990d474019b.gif)

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on January 04, 2022, 02:02:38 PM
We're skint if you compare us to united, Liverpool, arsenal or else we would just compete with them on similar terms. We're also skint if you compare us to City and Chelsea whi seemed to have had takeovers where they can pump as much money in to compete with the above mentioned clubs but we can't do that. I suppose the really indicator of where we are in the food chain and how good FFP is meant to be will be Newcastle start splashing, either scenario doesn't look good for us does it? Either FPP is a relevant thing, in which case we have to spend within our means and therefore we'll struggle to compete. Or FFP is a waste of time in which case why haven't we gone for Chelsea style when the Russian took over? And Newcastle will just completely destroy us financially anyway. So I would say in the grand scheme of things, while we aren't going g bust anytime soon, in Premier league football terms were skint. We're in the wolves Everton bracket.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2022, 02:18:04 PM
We're not skint.

Maybe we should move to a Trillion Trophy stadium and look for treasure  ;D
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 04, 2022, 02:29:00 PM
People really need to stop comparing what our rich owners have done (or haven't done) to what happened at Chelsea and Man City in the first few years of their respective takeovers by wealthy owners.

Chelsea had just finished 6th when Abramovich took over, and City had just finished 9th.  We were just starting our third season in the Championship when NWSE took over, and we've faced FFP restrictions from day one.  The "starting positions" for each club could not be more different.

Chelsea got a full 8 years before FFP scrutiny became a thing, Man City got two full years.  And it STILL took City three full seasons to get into the top 4. Three years, two with unlimited spending, to go from 9th to 3rd.

And that all happened while player prices were much lower than they are today.  £30-40m got you pretty much anyone in world football except Ronaldo or Messi.

I'm sure Newcastle are about to spend a couple of hundred million on players (by the summer) - in the same way we did in the first 12 months when we got promoted.  But they won't be buying a squad capable of getting into the top 4 - because that's simply not possible under the current FFP rules.  They'll spend a couple of hundred million, and probably find themselves in upper mid-table. 

I want us buying superstars, and seeing those players in claret and blue at Villa Park, but I also realise that's entirely unrealistic, at least in the short term.  Newcastle might do it differently, and rather than buy 10 players at an average of about £10-15m like we did when we got promoted, they might buy three big names for £50m a piece and try to get success that way. 

That wasn't an option for us, we had too many squad places to fill.  But that's changed now, we HAVE a premier league quality squad, and the players who come in from this point forward should be capable of improving the first eleven and turning the established starters into squad players.  But it's taken us three years to get to this point. 

I don't know what we can and can't spend, or how our books look and what we have to do to stick within the current rules, but I DO believe that if we are allowed to spend it, we will.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 02:36:12 PM
We need to ramp up the commercial revenue side. Those last figures were embarrassing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
People really need to stop comparing what our rich owners have done (or haven't done) to what happened at Chelsea and Man City in the first few years of their respective takeovers by wealthy owners.

Chelsea had just finished 6th when Abramovich took over, and City had just finished 9th.  We were just starting our third season in the Championship when NWSE took over, and we've faced FFP restrictions from day one.  The "starting positions" for each club could not be more different.

Chelsea got a full 8 years before FFP scrutiny became a thing, Man City got two full years.  And it STILL took City three full seasons to get into the top 4. Three years, two with unlimited spending, to go from 9th to 3rd.

And that all happened while player prices were much lower than they are today.  £30-40m got you pretty much anyone in world football except Ronaldo or Messi.

I'm sure Newcastle are about to spend a couple of hundred million on players (by the summer) - in the same way we did in the first 12 months when we got promoted.  But they won't be buying a squad capable of getting into the top 4 - because that's simply not possible under the current FFP rules.  They'll spend a couple of hundred million, and probably find themselves in upper mid-table. 

I want us buying superstars, and seeing those players in claret and blue at Villa Park, but I also realise that's entirely unrealistic, at least in the short term.  Newcastle might do it differently, and rather than buy 10 players at an average of about £10-15m like we did when we got promoted, they might buy three big names for £50m a piece and try to get success that way. 

That wasn't an option for us, we had too many squad places to fill.  But that's changed now, we HAVE a premier league quality squad, and the players who come in from this point forward should be capable of improving the first eleven and turning the established starters into squad players.  But it's taken us three years to get to this point. 

I don't know what we can and can't spend, or how our books look and what we have to do to stick within the current rules, but I DO believe that if we are allowed to spend it, we will.

Spot on.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on January 04, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
i thought that the owners had said that we would be selling players to fund new signings
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 04, 2022, 02:41:42 PM
i thought that the owners had said that we would be selling players to fund new signings
Selling to create space in the squad, more like!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2022, 04:23:42 PM
We’re skint.  Players leaving before we will buy.
No we are not.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on January 04, 2022, 04:52:12 PM
No chance Gerrard would sign up for the job if we were skint. And even less chance considering he says we have exciting targets lined up and we’d be lucky to get £15m total for any outgoings.

Wouldn’t be shocked to see Luiz leave this month. If the rumours of him playing out his contract are true.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 04, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
We need to ramp up the commercial revenue side. Those last figures were embarrassing.

They could start by increasing the output of half time catering staff. They all look like rabbits between headlights the second that halftime whistle goes - I've never known service so flippin slow!

Utter shambles.... I actually think it's got worse over the years!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on January 04, 2022, 05:03:25 PM
The squad is unbalanced, with no genuine defensive cover or defensive midfielder.

There's an abundance of wide players & attacking midfielders. Including some young players from the U23's.  I'd expect players leaving from these areas to free up room for additions & the younger players.

But I doubt there will be any £30m arrivals.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
It's nice to see us realise that selling players we no longer want is an option after over a decade of just watching them run down contracts and go for nothing having sat on their arses for years.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 04, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Where is all this skint talk coming from? I know we made a slight profit in the summer and left a few holes in the squad but I thought there was supposed to be plenty of funds available for the new manager?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 04, 2022, 05:18:52 PM
https://twitter.com/keralista/status/1478348516917317637/photo/1

dunno how true this is but it's been banded around....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on January 04, 2022, 05:24:47 PM
Yeah thats bollocks I'd say

Everton on minus £35m but spend £18m.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on January 04, 2022, 05:25:06 PM
If it was true, how are Everton going to recoup the £35m they're down by?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
Well they won’t until they sell Calvert Lewin to Arsenal.  Spurs is the one that has me beat.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
Well they won’t until they sell Calvert Lewin to Arsenal.  Spurs is the one that has me beat.

The financial concerns of Tottingham Hotspurts is area much neglected on this forum.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 06:09:35 PM
Well if we've only got 5m to spend i'm not worried. Mr. Gerrard built a title winning team at Rangers for less than that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 04, 2022, 06:15:37 PM
Well if we've only got 5m to spend i'm not worried. Mr. Gerrard built a title winning team at Rangers for less than that.

In a pub league.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 04, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
Didn't Gerrard say some time ago that we'd be excited at our targets?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 04, 2022, 06:39:44 PM
i thought that the owners had said that we would be selling players to fund new signings

Do you have a link to their quotes on this?

I don't recall seeing that, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

We hardly ever see them quoted, except Wes talking about how stats should inform purchases across all sports a few years back.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 06:51:04 PM
I dont know any facts - but it seems unlikely we dont have any money to spend. 

i. I'm sure that SG wouldn't have come without these reassurances, as otherwise he is onto a hiding to nothing.  He is manging his career very carefully
b. If so, then the talk about the objectives of the club are clearly bollocks / PR spin - and if so, why do it as they have hightened deliverables to completely ridiclous levels that cant be achieved in there stated timelines.
3. Also, it means SG was completely the wrong apointment, as apointing him neccessatates buying new players - rather than a more pragamtic coach who was able to work with what he has.  Also one of the big reasons was that he would be more of a draw for players
e. If so I would expect to see Lange sacked, as the has overseen the wasting of over 100 millon over the last 2 windows, of which we would do well to have 1 of those players starting regularly by this time next year

So basically - either we have cash / water tight plans to generate it, or Purslow and Lange have been awful at there jobs. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 06:52:36 PM
I saw him say it 3 days ago on my telly box thing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 04, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
Well they won’t until they sell Calvert Lewin to Arsenal.  Spurs is the one that has me beat.

The financial concerns of Tottingham Hotspurts is area much neglected on this forum.

If only we had an expert in that field. What fun it would be discussing their finances.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 04, 2022, 07:02:17 PM
Not forgetting we had a sizeable lump for the sizeable lump we sold in the summer, we have the PL placing money from 2020/21 on top of the owners' ginormous wealth.

Suggestions we are skint (or close to it) smells like the sort of shite other clubs would wish on us.

Particularly those of the Bordesley persuasion.

No doubt we can't blitz the wage bill and fill it up with 15 players on 100k plus a week (yet).  But that's a different thing altogether.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on January 04, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
I think we are past the signing of 3/4 players straight into the first team now
we can’t afford that anyway as those sort of players would be big money

So we need to target 1 or maybe 2 players of high quality who will be looking at starting whilst maybe a couple of strong back ups or ones for the future
Although the future seems to be taken care of with all the youngsters we have hoovered up over the last couple of seasons
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 04, 2022, 07:39:34 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2022, 07:41:48 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.

Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 07:43:35 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.

Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Yeah, when Watkins is off to Arse, and we bring in Ally McCoist as backup
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 04, 2022, 07:44:25 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG. 
Gerrard is currently lining up deals for Jean-Alain Boumsong, Jörg Albertz, Shota Arveladze & Richard Gough
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 04, 2022, 07:44:27 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.

Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Yep,  back to work today and all that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 04, 2022, 07:59:00 PM
If we don't spend £50m plus I'd be shocked.

We will likely sell one or two as well, but so we should. Liverpool have sold £450m of players under Klopp, spent a net £15m a season and produced one of the best sides in Europe.

We aren't skint and people shouldn't pay attention to daft memes.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2022, 10:15:32 PM
Lots of links to Aaron Hickey, young Scot LB at Bologna. Has the right kind of profile, kind of signing I'd expect we should be making.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2022, 10:18:33 PM
Lots of links to Aaron Hickey, young Scot LB at Bologna. Has the right kind of profile, kind of signing I'd expect we should be making.

And plenty of potential for H&Vers to misspell his name, I'd welcome Arron Hicky!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2022, 10:19:17 PM
Welcome Aron Hinckley.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2022, 10:23:12 PM
Welcome Aron Hinckley.

Shoots on sight but misses the target.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2022, 10:24:15 PM
I want to see Alan Hankey stretching the shirt
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 10:58:26 PM
Newcastle getting Trippier out the gate, champions league level full back is a pretty decent buy for £12m.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on January 04, 2022, 10:58:27 PM
Welcome Aron Hinckley.

Shoots on sight but misses the target.

No Point getting excited about it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 04, 2022, 11:02:22 PM
Just watched a few clips of him on Yootube - Looks promising. Seems more energetic than Targett and good with both feet. I'd be happy with that one, and we have SJM to help lure him here too.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Sorry not skint.  Wrong word.  But sell to buy.  Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.

Not at all! The entire jack fee gets posted in one years books as a whole. We could have spent another £80m in the summer and been fine on ffp.

Gerrard hasn’t come in with no transfer budget and our squads small enough as it is
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
5 days now...….  :(

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Sorry not skint.  Wrong word.  But sell to buy.  Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.

Not at all! The entire jack fee gets posted in one years books as a whole. We could have spent another £80m in the summer and been fine on ffp.


Well sort of. We do get the Grealish profit all at once, but then the cost of Buendia, Bailey and Ings get amortised over the next three or four years, so that has to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 05, 2022, 10:31:51 AM
If you listen to Purslow's interview before Christmas if memory serves he is very coy about January incomings.  Don't forget the sky's the limit and all that. I am sure there will be some coming in.  But I am not holding my breath about that holder being a Bissouma type.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 10:40:14 AM
The Athletic's take on our likely January business:

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Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements


By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey

During January, The Athletic will be running a piece for each of the clubs we cover looking at which positions they need to strengthen and using insight from our reporters and data from our analytics team to consider players who might fit the bill.

Next up in this Sensible Transfers series are Aston Villa, a club gearing up for a busy window with targets at centre-back, full-back and midfield all under consideration.

Aston Villa’s club motto is to be “Prepared” and rest assured, co-owners Nassef Sawiris, Wes Edens and CEO Christian Purslow have a plan in place for the weeks ahead.

This is the fourth winter window under NSWE’s watch, and every year — admittedly to contrasting fortunes — the money men have dug into their reserve to give the head coach an increased chance of success.

It was in 2019 when the loan signings of Tyrone Mings and Kortney Hause proved invaluable in Villa’s push for promotion. The following year wasn’t as straightforward. When then-record signing Wesley suffered a serious knee injury and John McGinn broke his ankle shortly into the new year, Villa struggled to get in like-for-like replacements.

Mbwana Samatta and Borja Baston were the only forwards willing to join a relegation-threatened Villa back then, while Danny Drinkwater was also chosen over Steven Nzonzi and we all know what happened next.

Still, somehow, Villa survived in the Premier League and decided to get the bulk of their business done early in the following summer months. Morgan Sanson was the only player signed in the last January window because Villa felt they were getting a better value-for-money deal than if he moved at a later stage.

This year, though, there are clear deficiencies in certain areas of the squad which need addressing midway through the season.

As Axel Tuanzebe has cut his loan spell at the club short to return to Manchester United — and likely soon to be onto Napoli — Villa are looking for a new centre-back.

Sil Swinkels, 17, and Lamare Bogarde, 17, are both available for selection after returning home from Holland this week. It means that 16-year-old Josh Feeney, the England Under-17 captain who was named on the substitutes’ bench in the 2-1 defeat by Brentford, is no longer the only back-up defender on standby should Villa lose any of the senior defenders again this month.

Yet, clearly, it’s still an area that needs bulking up, so who would help fill the void?

Several options have already been linked with a move to Villa Park and of the possible candidates, Liverpool’s Joe Gomez is admired and would be a good fit.

But that’s where it gets a little frustrating, Villa fans — let’s look at why he’s on the radar.

In Liverpool’s 2019-20 title-winning season, Gomez formed a strong partnership with Virgil van Dijk. Since then, injuries have thwarted his progress and he’s slipped down the pecking order.

You can see in the smarterscout pizza chart below (here’s a full explanation of how we use smarterscout graphics at The Athletic) just how defensively strong he was in 2019-20.

He’s highly effective in stopping the opponent from progressing further upfield (reflected in his “defending impact” rating of 71 out of 99)

Given his pace, he can get into good positions to jump out to pick up loose balls and block passes (ball recoveries and interceptions 96 out of 99), and make plenty of recovery runs which appears to be an area of weakness of late at Villa as they’ve had trouble defending balls played in behind.

Gomez is the type of player who will step in rather than dive into challenges. He would also strengthen a defensive department that is relying on Kortney Hause as the only senior cover. But let’s not get carried away, here, and swiftly return back to the unfinished point.

Liverpool aren’t prepared to let him leave in this window so it’s a no-go, unfortunately. Perhaps there’s a stronger chance for Villa to get him in the summer if they’re still looking to recruit.

Another Englishman who will be allowed to leave Anfield, however, is Nat Phillips.

Jurgen Klopp said in December: “We cannot keep him forever, that’s clear,” so moving him on for the right money is appealing.

He would fit into the Sensible Transfers bracket, largely because he’s still only 24 years old, has the potential to increase in value, and may also be easier to persuade than a regular Premier League performer who might be put off by the challenge of dislodging either captain, Mings or Konsa.

Phillips is recognised as an out-and-out defender. He gets tight to his opponents regularly (defending intensity 87 out of 99), will head anything that moves (aerial quantity 99 out of 99) and can provide chaos at set pieces, which is a quality Villa are known to be looking for in their recruitment search.

Also, what often goes unnoticed is his passing ability. Phillips largely keeps it simple (link-up play volume 68 out of 99), but he looks after possession well (ball retention ability 59 out of 99) and isn’t given enough credit for how neat and tidy he often is.

Another alternative Villa could consider is Lloyd Kelly at Bournemouth.

He’s a player who stylistically keeps his position and marks the space, typically only making a defensive action when forced into it, as highlighted in the graphic below.

Kelly is also a frequent ball-carrier who drives out of defence (carry and dribble volume 99 out of 99) and plays it simple when he does release it (link-up play volume 89 out of 99), and Villa boss Steven Gerrard has made no secret of his desire to play out from the back and sustain longer spells of possession.

That Kelly could provide competition at left-back, a position where he has played for both Bournemouth and former side, Bristol City, would also benefit Villa as they are in the market for additional full-backs, too.

With Ashley Young out injured, there is currently no back-up on the left or right side.

Assuming that Frederic Guilbert stays at Strasbourg on loan for the season — there has been no suggestion that he’s returning to Villa — it’s likely Villa will top up this area of the squad. Loans will certainly be considered, especially now Tuanzebe has moved on.

The scouting team have been interested in full-backs who can play on either side of the pitch which is why background checks have been made on Bologna’s Aaron Hickey.

In the young Scot’s profile on FBref, it shows him to be 64 per cent left-footed, which is remarkably two-footed given that most players tend to check in at over 80 per cent on their favoured side.

His other strengths in possession can be seen in green on the graphic below. What they show is that Hickey is good on the ball and often keeps it simple with his passing (link-up play volume 82 out of 99). He looks after possession at a very high rate for his position (ball retention ability 75 out of 99), and off the ball, he’s quite active in getting into a position to make a defensive action (defending intensity 76 out of 99), so a fairly active front-foot defender.

If you’re also wondering why the super-talented 19-year-old is listed as a left-midfielder, it’s because he plays as a wing-back within a back five.

Villa also had a sniff around Young Boys right-back Silvan Hefti but chose not to pursue it further. Hefti is now set for a move to Italian side Genoa.

And what other options are out there?

If Gerrard wants a player similar in style to Borna Barisic who performed well for his former club Rangers, then AZ Alkmaar’s Owen Wijndal fits the bill.

The 22-year-old Dutchman is an overlapping left-back who loves to get forward and attack. By doing this he is more likely to receive the ball in dangerous areas, hence why his “xG from ball possession” figure is high (68 out of 99) on the graphic below — which, encouragingly, remains high after adjusting for the standard of the Premier League.

Wijndal is similar to Hickey on the ball in his style; he’s unlikely to play longer balls upfield (progressive passing 7 out of 99),  and off the ball, he doesn’t make a ton of defensive actions, either (disrupting opposition moves 16 out of 99), but he’s good at preventing the opposition from progressing further (defending impact 80 out of 99).

Elsewhere, Marvelous Nakamba’s knee injury has also left Villa a little light in defensive midfield.

If they were to recruit in this area, it would only be to strengthen the department, rather than simply add to the numbers. Kalvin Phillips is a player Villa strongly admire but the difficulty of getting him out of Leeds if they remain a Premier League club makes it a non-starter for now.

Southampton’s James Ward-Prowse was targeted over the summer but a deal was too expensive to put together and the England international signed a contract extension soon after.

His midfield team-mate, Oriel Romeu, was also considered and has made a significant impact on this season so far with his high volume of defensive actions, shown in red on the graphic below.

The most interesting name linked with Villa is certainly Rangers’ Glen Kamara. He’s the star of the team and capable of playing in more of a holding role within a midfield three (or two) or more advanced on the left of a three.

Kamara is similar to Nakamba in style as he doesn’t offer much in the way of attack, but he will keep it simple in possession (link-up play volume 96 out of 99) and keep possession at an above-average rate for his position (ball retention ability 66 out of 99).

Off the ball, Kamara is active in picking up loose balls and blocking passes (ball recoveries and interceptions 60 out of 99), and as you can see from his duel ratings below — which adjust for the strength of the opponent that a player faces — he’s good in a one-v-one situation.

The difficulty Villa might have is that Kamara only recently signed a new contract at Ibrox, and Gerrard may also give his former club a grace period before returning back to poach their top talent.

If that is the case then Kamara will certainly come back into the equation in the summer with Gerrard recently saying: “We’ve identified where we need some support and the targets that we are trying to bring in.

“If we manage to execute those targets in this window, I think the fans can be excited. If we can make that happen in this window, great. If not, it might be a case of being patient and waiting until the summer. We are actively looking to improve things.”

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
Has there actually been any official confirmation that Axel has gone back to Man U?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 10:58:55 AM
Can't say Nat Phillips is very inspiring.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 05, 2022, 11:07:15 AM
Apart from Hickey what makes them believe Villa supporters will be excited? very average selection.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Can't say Nat Phillips is very inspiring.
Unforgettable
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 11:22:31 AM
I dont just want sensible signings

I want exciting signings that are also sensible.  I want ones where we think, bloody hell, how did we get him.  And, oh, looks like we mean business type signings.

I want signings that make Ollie Watkins, SJM and Martinez think - bloody hell I would be crazy to leave

I know I'm asking a lot - but I think that is the only way we move forward.


Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 11:27:44 AM
Can't say Nat Phillips is very inspiring.
Unforgettable

That's what he's not.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 11:33:40 AM
Has there actually been any official confirmation that Axel has gone back to Man U?

I saw it confirmed on the Beeb.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 11:37:41 AM
Has there actually been any official confirmation that Axel has gone back to Man U?

I saw it confirmed on the Beeb.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59857499
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Been linked with Dwight McNeil again. 40m *gulp*
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
The Athletic's take on our likely January business:

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Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements


By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey

What a load of absolute pointless fucking waffle. Were they paid per word? It’s amusing anyone is paying them at all for that shit.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 12:57:42 PM
I dont just want sensible signings

I want exciting signings that are also sensible.  I want ones where we think, bloody hell, how did we get him.  And, oh, looks like we mean business type signings.

I want signings that make Ollie Watkins, SJM and Martinez think - bloody hell I would be crazy to leave

I know I'm asking a lot - but I think that is the only way we move forward.

Bailey was a statement signing. Arguably Buendia was too, beating Arsenal to him. I'm sure there were plenty of clubs keen on Ings higher than us in the table. There is also the reality of where we are in the table currently and the level of player we can realistically attract as a result. Losing our former no.10 last summer doesnt help, he was surely a big draw for the likes of Watkins and other attacking players. This time last year we looked to be going places, it's hard to know now.

I prefer well thought out signings. Often the 'statement' ones are panic, Collymore for example but even Scott Hogan in the past or more recently Ings. Shift the team around to accommodate them to the detriment of results.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 01:01:10 PM
This is probably one for Memories but Collymore is surely a turning point in our history. Had that money been spent on somebody else we could have really kicked on. Instead, we went backwards and ended up losing our best players 12 months later.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 01:25:46 PM
I want a couple of statement signings, in positions that will actually improve the team. Notably a holding mid and one of the inverted 10 positions. You stick 2 top class players into our team in those roles, we move up the table quickly.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 01:32:32 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 01:37:01 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.

....and a decent matchday catering manager.   ;)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.

....and a decent matchday catering manager.   ;)
Pie in the Sky mate.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
We need a real physical presence in centre midfield. I mean is Ramsey our tallest midfielder?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Trying to negotiate a loan for Countinho till the end of the season, according to a Barca based journalist Helena Condis Edo.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 01:59:21 PM
Curcic in 96 and Collymore in 97 fucked us up badly. What a way to break your transfer record 2 summers in a row.

Meanwhile it’s being reported we’re negotiating a loan deal for Coutinho with Barca. Not usually a fan of loans but would be with this one, could be a fantastic player but a loan would be the safe way to see if his head and heart are still in it.
Wish we’d have done that with Curcic and Collymore really.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:01:32 PM
Trying to negotiate a loan for Countinho till the end of the season, according to a Barca based journalist Helena Condis Edo.

I just don't see us spunking out for 6 months like that. Maybe if we were in sight of the Champions League spots.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
Trying to negotiate a loan for Countinho till the end of the season, according to a Barca based journalist Helena Condis Edo.

ooh. Bit old but beats Nat Phillips.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:05:57 PM
Or maybe if he impresses there is a chance to get him longer term. He's a hell of a footballer. Also the sort that attracts others and makes a statement of where you want to be. His last 3 clubs are Barca, Bayern and Liverpool and he's only 29.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.

....and a decent matchday catering manager.   ;)

Maybe look to poach them from Reading rather than SHA.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1478055197712826369
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1477654462269435904
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Did Coutinho play with Gerrard?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 05, 2022, 02:13:32 PM
Did Coutinho play with Gerrard?

Yes in the FA cup semi same team (that we beat ;))
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
Did Coutinho play with Gerrard?

Yes. Many pics of them on and off the pitch going about. I guess this is the exciting one he referred to. You do really need a big hard bastard in midfield though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
Well...……….I think we should do him a favour and revive his career. Be a shame if he wasted his career in a backwater like Barca.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 02:17:29 PM
Could you play Coutinho and Buendia (and Bailey when he gets braver) in the same team ?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 05, 2022, 02:22:19 PM
Where’s he going to play? Moreover who will he replace?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:23:34 PM
He'd play behind the striker with Buendia I would imagine.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
Targett init. Certainly be more attacking.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 02:31:32 PM
Anyone else from Liverpool's class of '14 that Gerrard could tap-up for us? Dirk Kuyt would work tirelessly wherever we play him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
Where’s he going to play? Moreover who will he replace?

Wherever he likes!

Pick a player. Any player.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 02:36:22 PM
Anyone else from Liverpool's class of '14 that Gerrard could tap-up for us? Dirk Kuyt would work tirelessly wherever we play him.

Aly Cissokho probably isn't up to much.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
The Athletic's take on our likely January business:

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Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements


By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey

What a load of absolute pointless fucking waffle. Were they paid per word? It’s amusing anyone is paying them at all for that shit.
There a bit of a lottery with the Athletic.  You get a good reporter for your team you get good coverage.  We got Gregg Evans.  The Tifo football team are also very good, albeit a little too pleased with themselves.

Same for the Birmingham Mail.  There's other reporters in the group who are very decent for their clubs (eg the Liverpool, Everton, Southampton reporters from those I've heard).  Unfortunately the Villa reporters are dreadful and can barely string two words together on the podcasts.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:37:29 PM
Anyone else from Liverpool's class of '14 that Gerrard could tap-up for us? Dirk Kuyt would work tirelessly wherever we play him.

Aly Cissokho probably isn't up to much.

Was he ever?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on January 05, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
This Coutinho story is certainly gathering momentum…
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
He's two footed. Left wing/back, centre, right wing/back,  centre half 'keeper. Provides cover all round the team. Will save us a fortune in wages.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:42:12 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

He's earned a few quid.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
I would love us to get this over the line and then go get that holding mid on Germany that everyone says is brilliant, and the young Scottish left back to compete with Targett. Maybe loan a centre half, give the second half of the season a right good go.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
Has Bissouma been cleared of his 'difficulties' yet?  If he has then I can't think of a better fit for us at DM.

Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:45:42 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Zakariah, Hickey and Coutinho! Yes please.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on January 05, 2022, 02:48:24 PM
Zakariah, Hickey and Coutinho! Yes please.

add Pele and Maradona and we are all set!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 02:50:27 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.

That was a couple of years ago.

Having looked the recent stats though, his last goals and assists have come against Villareal, Valencia, Celta Vigo, Sevilla, Ferencvaros and CA Osasuna. So 5 of the 6 have a 'V' in their name....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on January 05, 2022, 02:51:33 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

One key pass in 12 games this season apparently. However as I someone on Twitter pointed out, two years ago we signed Borja Baston so I am certainly not going to complain about this one. Romano has confirmed the negotiations so the rumours seem legit, however I just can't see it happening as we never pull off signings like these and I've been let down too many times before (Juninho, McCarthy, Sneijder and the rest).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.

They were both in their mid-thirties though. Actually in Pires case late thirties.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 02:54:20 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

Well he missed most of last season for Barcelona with a knee injury. Season before that, while we were staying up by the skin of our teeth, he helped Bayern win the League, Champions league and German Cup.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:54:27 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.

That was a couple of years ago.

Having looked the recent stats though, his last goals and assists have come against Villareal, Valencia, Celta Vigo, Sevilla, Ferencvaros and CA Osasuna. So 5 of the 6 have a 'V' in their name....

*shrugs* they're a basket case these days and he barely plays.

He'd improve us. Him and Buendia as inside forwards would be saucy. If we can button up the defensive midfielder role, then we actually actually a balanced midfield all over.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 02:55:46 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.

They were both in their mid-thirties though. Actually in Pires case late thirties.

I’m no follower of Barca, but has he played much or done much in recent times? Didn’t he have a serious knee injury that needed surgery twice. Hope it works out but seems a bit of a vanity signing and an expensive experiment
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?

Well he missed most of last season for Barcelona with a knee injury. Season before that, while we were staying up by the skin of our teeth, he helped Bayern win the League, Champions league and German Cup.

It doesn't matter where we were two years ago if he's not at it now. I'm not convinced.

Having said that, what an absolutely top player he was for Liverpool. If he can do close to that for us I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:56:42 PM
Comparing a 29 year old to Ginola and Pires seems a bit negative for negative sake.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.

More of a Paul Merson imho. One of our best players of the past 25 years.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
Has Bissouma been cleared of his 'difficulties' yet?  If he has then I can't think of a better fit for us at DM.

Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.



I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with this pining for Bissouma, and this is not directly aiming at you Chris, but he's not in some land dispute with his neighbour, he's been arrested and bailed for sexual assault.

We shouldn't be anywhere near signing him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 02:59:10 PM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:01:18 PM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer



Gregory was certainly anti-flares, that's why he backed out of signing Keane from Wulvz.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 03:03:07 PM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer



Gregory was certainly anti-flares, that's why he backed out of signing Keane from Wulvz.

It's also why Gustavo Bartelt never got a game while on loan from Roma. Health and safety gone mad.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Has Bissouma been cleared of his 'difficulties' yet?  If he has then I can't think of a better fit for us at DM.

Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.



I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with this pining for Bissouma, and this is not directly aiming at you Chris, but he's not in some land dispute with his neighbour, he's been arrested and bailed for sexual assault.

We shouldn't be anywhere near signing him.
I think he's an outstanding player who would suit our needs perfectly.

I don't know any detail of the charges he's facing, but If he's cleared of the accusations (and I don't mean on a technicality) then I'd take him.  If not, then not.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:05:16 PM
29-year-old Coutinho would be a massive coup - even on loan.  He's of a standard of player I thought we were at least a year, or two, away from signing.

And on the plus side, the manager knows his game about as well as anyone on the planet, having played with him for two years at Liverpool.  So he knows his game, but he also knows 'him' as a person, and what he's like on the training ground and in the dressing room.  It's about as opposite to 'unknown quantity' as it's possible to get.

If it comes off, colour me excited!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:07:07 PM
Yeah, I'd piss myself to be fair. I did say in the summer we should be going for someone of that calibre, and that was before 'he' ponced off.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 03:07:27 PM
One week we have Trezeguet  the next Coutinho !! 😂
The Gerrard effect.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 03:08:51 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.

Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:10:48 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.

Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?

Nope, there is always risk.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 03:13:07 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.

More of a Paul Merson imho. One of our best players of the past 25 years.

That would be most excellent wouldn’t it
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 03:14:16 PM
I honestly thought someone like Coutinho was out of our reach at this point and if he was going anywhere in the PL it would be to a challenger or Newcastle who are desperate and will be pay over the odds for any player. But this would be a superb signing if we can pull it off.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:15:19 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.

Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?

Nope, there is always risk.

Indeed, and when I first saw the link, I thought "Barca just need him off the wage bill to sign Torres, and he must be in his early thirties by now, so not sure".  But seeing he's only 29 has changed my mind. He could have another 5 years at the top level, and will be motivated even if it's only on loan.  He certainly did well on loan at Bayern.

Put it this way, if he signs on loan for some other Premier League team, I'll be disappointed knowing they've got a good player.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.

Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?

No, as I said in my post.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 03:17:01 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.

Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?

Grealish
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Well he's being linked to liverpool and Arsenal on the interweb so lets not get our hopes up just yet  :-X
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:20:08 PM
This would be an unbelievable signing. A statement signing.

Surely with a view to a permanent move so very little risk.

My balls are tingling.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:22:11 PM
Well he's being linked to liverpool and Arsenal on the interweb so lets not get our hopes up just yet  :-X

If it's a permanent move, then yes, Liverpool, in particular, would be attractive to him.  But if it's a loan for the rest of the season, and he's already cup-tied in Europe, he'd want to know he has the best chance of playing week in week out domestically, right? - and that's here, surely?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Well he's being linked to liverpool and Arsenal on the interweb so lets not get our hopes up just yet  :-X

Don't think Liverpool need him? Arsenal don't either.

He's coming to B6. It's happening.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
If he's motivated, there really aren't many better on earth. If he's not, he really is actively terrible, worse than nothing, a sort of black hole for creativity on the pitch. I'd like to think Gerrard would know what he's doing on this though, hardly one to get overawed by reputations.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 03:25:13 PM
Depends. You think Liverpool being his old team would be an attractive proposition for him. Arsenal, you'd hope the Gerrard connection would swing it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:26:20 PM
When the ball hits the goal it's not Shearer or Cole it's Coutinho
He's our boy from Brazil and he's got all the skill it's Coutinho

🇧🇷😍
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on January 05, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
What position does he play these days? In place of Buendia?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:31:14 PM
Behind the striker.

 8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on January 05, 2022, 03:41:21 PM
On SKY's transfer talk at lunchtime, they said Villa were not interested in Coutinho
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:43:30 PM
Oh. Didn't want him anyway tbh he's shit.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
Oh. Didn't want him anyway tbh he's shit.
Dodged a bullet
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 03:52:11 PM
Initially, Coutinho is potentially an exciting loan move. But then breaking it down, I'm not really sure what sense it makes. He's not played much over the last couple of years, so we'd be paying a wedge to get him fit for a transfer at the end of the season. He's also been out of the Premier League for a few years and as we saw last season with Traore (a younger player who came off the back of having played full seasons) it can take a few months to reacclimatise. Plus, this blocks the pathway for younger players and others who will probably be here next season. Traore and even Trez as sub will be back in a month and we've (currently) only got 3 games in January. It smacks of a vanity signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 05, 2022, 03:52:34 PM
Guardian reckons there are three Premier League clubs in for Coutinho, including us. Surely Newcastle has to be one of the others. Not sure which the third is.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on January 05, 2022, 03:53:48 PM
I'd much rather a shit hot DM than Coutinho.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 03:54:41 PM
On SKY's transfer talk at lunchtime, they said Villa were not interested in Coutinho

That surely means he'll arrive after lunch and SKY will flap about saying how out of the blue the transfer is, like a deal from yester year.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
I’m not massively confident it would work out (if it happens) but I’d be very happy if we at least gave it a go on loan. Still only 29 and obviously knows Gerrard well.
And yes, DM and LB etc should still be priority.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
The Guardian/Fabrizio Romano are reporting it. They tend not to put it out if there's nothing in it. It all sounds very expensive to me, though it's not my money.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
Any money should be prioritised to a dynamic left back and a defensive midfielder. All summer, a large number on the forum pointed out how much of a priority a defensive midfielder was. With Nakamba now injured it would be negligent not to sign one. Will probably have to pay over the odds for a top one, but that's for the club to solve with a problem that should have been fixed months ago when more options were available.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
least it is not Drinkwater on loan.     
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 04:18:20 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 04:21:16 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I’m not sure he was worse for Villa than Drinkwater. Worse overall yes, but for Villa Drinkwater was an absolute horror show.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:21:35 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker


Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 05, 2022, 04:28:27 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker
Who is?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 04:31:18 PM
Romano's whole schtick is always being right, so if he's stuck his head over the parapet then there's got to be something in it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:35:10 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:36:48 PM
Romano's whole schtick is always being right, so if he's stuck his head over the parapet then there's got to be something in it.

Hahahahahah! SB, if someone prides themselves on being accurate, that's not a 'schtick'!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 04:37:21 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker
Who is?

To win the Champions League within the next 3 years.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?

Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker
Who is?


coutinho
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 04:42:29 PM
Romano's whole schtick is always being right, so if he's stuck his head over the parapet then there's got to be something in it.

Hahahahahah! SB, if someone prides themselves on being accurate, that's not a 'schtick'!

you obviously didn't see when he accidently posted then deleted that video confirming a transfer that didn't happen or how he reacted when he was outed.  8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?

Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.
I've never known a player tire like him, at 60 minutes he may as well have put his nightshirt on and lay down in the middle of the pitch. He must have been on 60 a day.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:43:00 PM
Obviously not.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:43:52 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 05, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
Not convinced…

He’s no Borja Baston
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently

To be fair though, Bowery was a cheap punt from Chesterfield, not a Colombian international from La Liga.

Expectations are somewhat different, although output wasn't.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently

Is the correct answer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:46:57 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently

Messi will have been hungover and a snot factory in homage to his elder, better and previous occupant of that number 10 shirt.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 04:47:55 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

What did Gerrard say?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:48:40 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Cunting Sky claiming he’s coming back to 1 out of 5 possible clubs when everyone else seems to think we’re in pole position and it’s almost there. I suppose it’s to keep all the Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool fans tuning in to hear the latest. Wankers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:50:28 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.

And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2022, 04:50:33 PM
Eh Hamadi was pretty poor too - another one that ran about 5 yards behind any opposition player with the ball.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on January 05, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker
Who is?


coutinho

Ok, can I get 5/2 on him not coming? Otherwise the odds are assymetric.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:51:09 PM
Cunting Sky indeed, lol.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:53:01 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.

And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.

Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
Worse player I ever saw was David Hunt , might have been a signing from notts county , obviously cost a packet of pork scratching.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: WassallVillain on January 05, 2022, 04:53:19 PM
Agreed re Balaban. I actually saw the other players laughing during the half time subs kick about at his inabilities
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete on January 05, 2022, 04:53:28 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

*Shudder* Truly dreadful.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
Worse player I ever saw was David Hunt , might have been a signing from notts county , obviously cost a packet of pork scratching.

I believe he was signed the same day as we signed Andy Blair. He was a bit it a non entity but didn’t play much from what I recall. And when he did want it in Div 2?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:54:48 PM
Worse player I ever saw was David Hunt , might have been a signing from notts county , obviously cost a packet of pork scratching.

That's a good shout.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:55:51 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.

And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.

Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.

But he was utter, utter shit. And even if we had given his former team a bag of balls and bibs we’d have paid too much.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:56:32 PM
2/5 on   villa

20/1 arsenal


oddchecker
Who is?


coutinho

Ok, can I get 5/2 on him not coming? Otherwise the odds are assymetric.

swap for trez

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on January 05, 2022, 04:58:50 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?

Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.

We had 3 years in the championship and still the worse players come from those premier league years 2012-16
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2022, 04:58:57 PM
Bowery was our worst player ever in my opinion. That bad I actually felt sorry for him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:59:25 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.

And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.

Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.

But he was utter, utter shit

No doubt. But Balaban was the same as signing Bailey now and him turning out like Tonev.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2022, 04:59:44 PM
Is the Coutinho link real then?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 05:00:53 PM
Is the Coutinho link real then?

No, Barcelona. Badoom tish.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 05:01:57 PM
Eh Hamadi was pretty poor too - another one that ran about 5 yards behind any opposition player with the ball.

World hide and seek champion though - as demonstrated by every time we had the ball and he found the nearest opposition player to hide behind.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:03:30 PM
Eh Hamadi was pretty poor too - another one that ran about 5 yards behind any opposition player with the ball.

World hide and seek champion though - as demonstrated by every time we had the ball and he found the nearest opposition player to hide behind.

He was like an empty crisp packet, floating around the pitch having no affect on proceedings.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 05:06:06 PM
That Crespo lad we had the year we went down was hopeless.

Pound for pound, has to be Balaban.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:07:16 PM
Holman I was very excited about, when he left .
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
In the worst ever signing chat, I'd really have to say it's Drinkwater. Players like Bowery and Tonev were utterly dreadful of course, but they were cheap punts. What makes Drinkwater the clear winner for me though:

1) Anybody with half a brain could see it was going to be a disaster. Hadn't played for two years, mostly due to injuries received from getting beaten up for being a twat.
2) His actual performances were dire as well, and made us worse on the pitch.
3) He's a real wrong 'un with a terrible attitude, as shown by butting his own teammate Jota in training. A player obviously much smaller and less physical than him, which marks him as a coward and a bully. Extra c*** marks for thinking that a Google translate apology was suitable.
4) Rumoured wages of £100K a week we were paying.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on January 05, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
I hope we get Coutinho would be a great signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on January 05, 2022, 05:10:19 PM
I hope we get Coutinho would be a great signing.
Yep, potentially very exciting.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 05:11:14 PM
Christ, there's some rubbish there.

I'd still chuck in N'Zogbia.  Talented, but never performed for us.  The lazy bag of shite.  Ireland was similarly useless.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2022, 05:12:32 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
Newcastle deconf favorites at 8 1 . Villa 2/3

If he wants a relegation battle
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:14:01 PM
I fucking hated, wait, still hate Stephen Ireland. Wanker.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.

That one goal though!  And the best nicknamed players I can think of.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.

....and a decent matchday catering manager.   ;)

Maybe look to poach them from Reading rather than SHA.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1478055197712826369
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1477654462269435904

😂
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.

That one goal though!  And the best nicknamed players I can think of.

I was there for that goal. Limbs, as the kids say.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:15:36 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.

That one goal though!  And the best nicknamed players I can think of.

The 'hands behind the back' defending.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
I fucking hated, wait, still hate Stephen Ireland. Wanker.


Fcukin player of the season too.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:17:04 PM
I fucking hated, wait, still hate Stephen Ireland. Wanker.


Fcukin player of the season too.

I know, disgraceful.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 05:19:56 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.

That one goal though!  And the best nicknamed players I can think of.

The 'hands behind the back' defending.

The pornography.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 05:20:48 PM
Didn't we have a player called Dean Glover in the 80s? Do any of you old 'uns recall if he had a good peg on him? Always sounds like a character from Emmerdale Farm.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:21:03 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

This would be a very good start.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:25:30 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 05:26:08 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?
Xmas first class post. Useless.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?

😂

I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:29:19 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?

😂

I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂

Good effort mate, I'm sure the Mail would give you a job.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?

😂

I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂

Rumours of Matty Cash on a permanent from Forest. Wink.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 05, 2022, 05:38:29 PM
Didn't we have a player called Dean Glover in the 80s? Do any of you old 'uns recall if he had a good peg on him? Always sounds like a character from Emmerdale Farm.

I think he was moved from centre half to midfield. Good feet but too slow. He scored a good goal on the League cup quarters against Arsenal. We won the replay at Highbury and with Oxford in the semi, Doug declared that "the future looks exciting"
That statement was followed by a humbling at Oxford, barely escaped relegation, then finished bottom the next season.

Great times
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:44:58 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?

😂

I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂

Good effort mate, I'm sure the Mail would give you a job.

Rumours of Matty Cash on a permanent from Forest. Wink.

Steady on, I’ve got feelings you know 😂
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 05:46:11 PM
This site and specifically this bloke Gerard Romero is well connected in Spain. Seems to think Coutinho is on his way to B6

https://twitter.com/barcauniversal/status/1478750426778402817?s=21
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 05:49:55 PM
Cunting Sky claiming he’s coming back to 1 out of 5 possible clubs when everyone else seems to think we’re in pole position and it’s almost there. I suppose it’s to keep all the Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool fans tuning in to hear the latest. Wankers.
Yes I saw that.
Considering they normally can’t keep their inane fucking jabberings to themselves, when there is a genuine rumour concerning Villa they go fucking mute.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Looks like it's on doesn't it?

Because I'm always wrong about everything, I confidently predict that this will be a disaster.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 05:59:21 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 06:02:18 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.

Not like you to look on the bright side, bronte!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
a loan is a great idea - better than committing to a long deal on big wages.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 06:12:35 PM
Just a little reminder what Coutinho was like when he was last a PL footballer

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 06:14:02 PM
I suppose at nearly 30 Coutinho is far too young to retire at Newcastle so we should have him for a season.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 06:19:02 PM
I suppose at nearly 30 Coutinho is far too young to retire at Newcastle so we should have him for a season.

Plus he's not played a lot in the past 2 years anyway. He's got loads left in the tank.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2022, 06:35:56 PM
We would be the first team to have a transfer stopped because their manager tapped a player up.

I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 06:41:55 PM
I suppose at nearly 30 Coutinho is far too young to retire at Newcastle so we should have him for a season.

Plus he's not played a lot in the past 2 years anyway. He's got loads left in the tank.

Or is he in semi retirement already like any amount of attacking Brazilian players once they hit their late 20s? Kaka and Ronaldinho come to mind.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on January 05, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Our profile is on the up it would seem. Hope the link works. https://twitter.com/ryanair/status/1478785460445106179?s=21
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 06:47:40 PM
In the worst ever signing chat, I'd really have to say it's Drinkwater. Players like Bowery and Tonev were utterly dreadful of course, but they were cheap punts. What makes Drinkwater the clear winner for me though:

1) Anybody with half a brain could see it was going to be a disaster. Hadn't played for two years, mostly due to injuries received from getting beaten up for being a twat.
2) His actual performances were dire as well, and made us worse on the pitch.
3) He's a real wrong 'un with a terrible attitude, as shown by butting his own teammate Jota in training. A player obviously much smaller and less physical than him, which marks him as a coward and a bully. Extra c*** marks for thinking that a Google translate apology was suitable.
4) Rumoured wages of £100K a week we were paying.

Agreed on Drinkwater. His debut against Man City is a low that no player will ever come near. Deano made a terrible error of judgement there.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Yes, how I feel about it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
Didn't we have a player called Dean Glover in the 80s? Do any of you old 'uns recall if he had a good peg on him? Always sounds like a character from Emmerdale Farm.

I think he was moved from centre half to midfield. Good feet but too slow. He scored a good goal on the League cup quarters against Arsenal. We won the replay at Highbury and with Oxford in the semi, Doug declared that "the future looks exciting"
That statement was followed by a humbling at Oxford, barely escaped relegation, then finished bottom the next season.

Great times

As far as rubbish claims to fame go, this takes some beating.

Someone my mum worked with lived next door to Dean Glover when he played for Port Vale. As a young football fan in the 80s she thought I'd be impressed if she introduced me to him at his house.

Turns out I wasn't!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.
Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on January 05, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 07:04:01 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.

That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.

How bad could he have been? I barely remember him in a Villa shirt. Played Champs League for Brugge afterwards and for Croatia. Was there a bit more as to why he hardly got a chance with us?

From our stint in the second tier, Toss McCormack, Henri Lansbury and Scott Hogan will never be forgotten, three terrible professionals and big money flops. Kalinic, Bunn, Nyland three utterly useless keepers aswell. Micah Richards efforts in a cup game against was it Yeovil? Drinkwater esque.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: usav on January 05, 2022, 07:11:17 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.
Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.

No less than Traoré would.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 07:13:22 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.
Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.

No less than Traoré would.

I’d rather see Coutinho stroll round on the pitch than Traore
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 07:14:52 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?
Xmas first class post. Useless.
Bloody hell, wait til he hears Joes gone to Man City
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.

How is scoring 1 in 3 (8 in 23) and winning the European Cup bombing or in free fall?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 07:25:56 PM
Think it makes sense - Bailey's is apparently out for another few months, we have some good kids, but still at the learning stage.

It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing.  If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things. 

Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places. 

So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.

Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 07:32:56 PM
Approached Bologna for Aaron Hickey so says Rob Dorsett.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 07:33:13 PM
This isn't just about the player. He's genuinely a world class talent. It would speak to the ambitions of the board, and certainly the new manager and his influence as a world renowned figure in the game. Most importantly a message to other players, especially those currently at the club that this is a place you need to be. And our many young, talented footballers will get the message that Aston Villa is going places.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
Aaron Ramsey in next.

Another waster :)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 07:37:49 PM
Salah in next.

Moan o'clock.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 07:39:51 PM
Approached Bologna for Aaron Hickey so says Rob Dorsett.

Be over the moon if this transfer comes off. Looks quality.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 07:44:24 PM
I haven't seen anything of Hickey - so, is it a case of he looks good on YouTube, or do people watch a lot of Italian football?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on January 05, 2022, 08:00:13 PM
My Scottish mate raves about Hickey and continuously jokes that they can only produce Left Backs. Thats all I have.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.

How is scoring 1 in 3 (8 in 23) and winning the European Cup bombing or in free fall?

Don’t get me wrong I want Coutinho and Bronty is a right miseryarse but Coutinho isn’t the same player he was or he wouldn’t be getting loaned out
Obviously there is some risk, but Gerrard might be able to bring the spark back, if he can it’s boom boom days

Barca aren’t that desperate for the money they just shelled 50ml to Man City
but I’m all for it and it also puts us into the big signings/Loans league
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 08:16:15 PM
Yeah let’s be honest though there’s a difference between being good enough for Bayern and Barca and being good enough for Villa.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Yes, how I feel about it.

I allow for the possibility that with the Gerrard connection (and if Gerrard truly wants him + wants to stake his reputation on him) it could work.

But I wouldn't be distraught if he ended up at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 08:20:09 PM
Hickey's been terrific at Bologna, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 05, 2022, 08:24:53 PM
Hickey scored a great goal from outside the box a few weeks ago with his weaker right foot. That’s as far as my scouting goes.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on January 05, 2022, 08:28:00 PM
Think it makes sense - Bailey's is apparently out for another few months, we have some good kids, but still at the learning stage.

It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing.  If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things. 

Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places. 

So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.

Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really  ;D ;D

I thought Bailey was meant to be back soon?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 08:29:41 PM
So we’ve gone from being linked to Drinkwater or Baston to Coutinho over the last couple years. Nice work.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 08:30:35 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.

Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.

Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 08:32:09 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Yes, how I feel about it.
Really? He’s not passed it yet, not by a long way. This would be so brilliant if true.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Think it makes sense - Bailey's is apparently out for another few months, we have some good kids, but still at the learning stage.

It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing.  If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things. 

Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places. 

So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.

Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really  ;D ;D

I thought Bailey was meant to be back soon?
Someone on Twitter said he was out for 10 - 12 weeks, to be fair, I have just tired to find it and cant.  Most seem to be saying sooner - so that might actually be rubbish. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2022, 08:36:40 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.

Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.


Pires could barely walk ,  Ginola was very pretty
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 05, 2022, 08:38:18 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.

Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.

Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.

Weren’t we linked with Aubameyang that summer too?  Imagine what lambert could’ve done to their careers.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: achilles on January 05, 2022, 08:39:53 PM
Approached Bologna for Aaron Hickey so says Rob Dorsett.

Be over the moon if this transfer comes off. Looks quality.

This for me, reminds me of Gidman and that brings back good memories!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 08:47:27 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.

Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.

Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.

Weren’t we linked with Aubameyang that summer too?  Imagine what lambert could’ve done to their careers.

I don't remember that one myself.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 08:50:25 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.

From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent. Back at Barca with or without Messi he has made little impact. Dembele has also bombed at Barca after they spent huge money on him so maybe the club is the issue.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on January 05, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: achilles on January 05, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.

Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.

Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.

From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent. Back at Barca with or without Messi he has made little impact. Dembele has also bombed at Barca after they spent huge money on him so maybe the club is the issue.

Bayern only have about five regular first teamers the rest rotate and I would take any of their bench!
Barca are a fruit-case of a club and have no idea of what they are trying to achieve anymore except how to get into yet more debt!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.
Looks like its never to late for the Villa to kill a career
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Allan C on January 05, 2022, 09:02:14 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?
Gestede  the worst player I’ve seen in a Villa shirt in my 50 years of support
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2022, 09:02:21 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.
Looks like its never to late for the Villa to kill a career


he would have been just excellent
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 09:08:36 PM
From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent.

Not making the starting lineup regularly for the Champions League winners and not convincing them to spend £50m on him, doesn't mean that he wouldn't be a handy guy to have in our team for six months.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 09:34:11 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?
Xmas first class post. Useless.
Bloody hell, wait til he hears Joes gone to Man City

Bugger off, you 😂
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 09:45:16 PM
I think we'll get Coutinho.

I can't wait.

Coutinho my lord, Coutinho. Oh lord, Coutinho.

We've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho (tune: that Italian classical piece)

He's magic you know, little Philippe Coutinho.

 8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG. 
Gerrard is currently lining up deals for Jean-Alain Boumsong, Jörg Albertz, Shota Arveladze & Richard Gough

Bloody hell, I was excited then until I read Richard Gough and vaguely remembered who the others were.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 09:54:11 PM
Graham Turner tried to sign Richard Gough, way back when.  He went to Tottenham instead.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:00:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 10:00:30 PM
villa   1/6     coutinho


gerrard must have a tenner on it
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 10:00:44 PM
Clinton Morrison being nice about us on 5Live, discussing the Coutinho talk.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 10:03:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:05:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter

32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.

I'm taking it as fact.

Coutinho, agreement reached  8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on January 05, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
I just hope he's not as bad as Danny Ditchwater
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2022, 10:13:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter

32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.

I'm taking it as fact.

Coutinho, agreement reached  8)

Never heard of the guy but he's been big on this story last few days (before BBC ran with it) and also had a picture of Trippier getting on plan to go to Newcastle so he has some connections.

Very interesting link and pleased it's moving fast. Arguably one of our biggest signings in recent times as despite him going a bit dormant he's still played for Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Barca in last 5 years and well known around the world.

Would be big boost to get him in for both Man. United games as we'll certainly be getting plenty of space in central areas in those games.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:22:05 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.
I think he would have struggled with the legendary Tom Cleverley holding down the number 10 slot.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 05, 2022, 10:22:42 PM
There’s a Medical booked on Friday according to Whispers on Twitter.

Also says another signing is close.

Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:23:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter
Well if Simon says.....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 10:24:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter

32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.

I'm taking it as fact.

Coutinho, agreement reached  8)

Hope you and Simon are right on this one, it’s bloody exciting if true.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter

32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.

I'm taking it as fact.

Coutinho, agreement reached  8)

Never heard of the guy but he's been big on this story last few days (before BBC ran with it) and also had a picture of Trippier getting on plan to go to Newcastle so he has some connections.

Very interesting link and pleased it's moving fast. Arguably one of our biggest signings in recent times as despite him going a bit dormant he's still played for Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Barca in last 5 years and well known around the world.

Would be big boost to get him in for both Man. United games as we'll certainly be getting plenty of space in central areas in those games.

The Spanish based links I posted earlier are much more reliable. The one being one of the leading speakers on behalf of Barcelona. Both are aligned in Coutinho joining us.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548

Who is this?
Simon from Twitter

32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.

I'm taking it as fact.

Coutinho, agreement reached  8)

Hope you and Simon are right on this one, it’s bloody exciting if true.

Too right mate. If people can't get excited by this then I don't know what else to say.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:27:12 PM
This would be one of THE biggest transfers in our history.  Hopefully, the second signing is Hickey. Then on to the DCM.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:32:02 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?
Telegram you mean but I guess you are far too young to know any better.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2022, 10:36:01 PM
This would be one of THE biggest transfers in our history.  Hopefully, the second signing is Hickey. Then on to the DCM.

Would expect another CB in late but yes that would be excellent window as covers the positions we really need to fill in next 6 months and gives us time to shape a really good first 11 for 22/23.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 10:36:30 PM
If this happens, whether it works or not, it's a ballsy statement of intent by the club.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:38:54 PM
This would be one of THE biggest transfers in our history.  Hopefully, the second signing is Hickey. Then on to the DCM.

Would expect another CB in late but yes that would be excellent window as covers the positions we really need to fill in next 6 months and gives us time to shape a really good first 11 for 22/23.

I forgot about the centre back.  Too soon for Feeney and Bogarde to step up I guess. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
Massive if, but if he signs, what is the work permit situation like?
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:42:03 PM
Massive if, but if he signs, what is the work permit situation like?
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?

Only because the Home Office are all off with Covid!!   Seriously though, shouldn't be a problem at all.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 10:42:49 PM
If this happens, whether it works or not, it's a ballsy statement of intent by the club.

£100m+ plus player. That's erm, yeah, alright that.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 10:44:09 PM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.

We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.

My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:53:19 PM
If this happens, whether it works or not, it's a ballsy statement of intent by the club.

£100m+ plus player. That's erm, yeah, alright that.


We sold one for that price who based on true market prices isn’t at that level. Philippe Coutinho is legitimately world class. The stuff he has done in his career so far is frankly remarkable. He will be arguably the best big money signing we have ever made if he comes close to his best form.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:54:56 PM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.

We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.

My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.



Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 11:02:35 PM
Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent

You'll have to ask SR, I've never seen Kacper play. He's gone straight out on loan to Union SG so probably not.

Either way I'll guess we'll just have to settle for Coutinho. *sigh*
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 05, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.

I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.

I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....

I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).

Djemba Djemba?
Gestede  the worst player I’ve seen in a Villa shirt in my 50 years of support

I agree with Rissos Drinkwater remarks. But for pure lack of footballing ability its this for me. One of my low points in many low points of watching Villa over the last 40 years, is a freezing Midweek January, FA Cup replay against Wycome in 2016. We won 2-0, but we were rot and Gestede literally didnt know where to run to in the box. Not a horrible twat like Drinkwater but just a really shite footballer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 11:29:49 PM
Yes Gestede was comically bad. He was OK for punting the ball up to, but ask him to run with the ball in space, and it was like watching a baby giraffe trying to dribble with a space hopper. He couldn't run with the ball, at all.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 11:33:56 PM
If we can fill the gaping hole in holding midfield and get Hickey in, this will have been a pretty damn good window
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 11:44:15 PM
Coutinho, Hickey and a DM and that is some bloody good business in this window.

Way too much smoke about Coutinho now for it not to be true - Odds have shortened further too, and bookies don't tend to mess around with this stuff.

Unbelievable signing - The Brazilian Paul Merson!  😀

Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2022, 11:49:58 PM
Yes Gestede was comically bad. He was OK for punting the ball up to, but ask him to run with the ball in space, and it was like watching a baby giraffe trying to dribble with a space hopper. He couldn't run with the ball, at all.

There were some totally out of character mid-lights.

The goal against Bournemouth on his debut, the B-lose goal in the cup and the overhead kick against Forest in the Trampionship.

But for 99.9 per cent of his time with us he looked like he was playing a different sport.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 11:55:34 PM
Yes Gestede was comically bad. He was OK for punting the ball up to, but ask him to run with the ball in space, and it was like watching a baby giraffe trying to dribble with a space hopper. He couldn't run with the ball, at all.

Gestede wasn’t good. But bullet headers at Anfield and against the Noses eliminates him entirely from the competition when you consider who else is in the running for the title of worst ever.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 12:00:04 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 12:07:48 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.



Most players can only dream about a right foot like his. But you might want to check out goal 2 in this collection to see how wide of the mark your statement is.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2022, 12:11:00 AM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan

Did you receive that by telegraph?

Jesus. A telecoms engineer as well. Stick to caravans mate.😉
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2022, 12:23:21 AM
Massive if, but if he signs, what is the work permit situation like?
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?

Only because the Home Office are all off with Covid!!   Seriously though, shouldn't be a problem at all.

Margaret Byrne won't be a turd in the punchbowl this time so we should be grand.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on January 06, 2022, 12:42:27 AM
On the subject of our worst ever player, shout out to the £7m International Goal Keeper who is 6'7 and got chipped while standing on his line.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on January 06, 2022, 12:53:15 AM
So when do we open book on when Coutinho gets his injury in training and how long he will be our for? I'll open the bidding at 2nd session and 10 weeks.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:20:09 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.



Most players can only dream about a right foot like his. But you might want to check out goal 2 in this collection to see how wide of the mark your statement is.

How wide of the mark my statement is?

You literally just posted a video of the guy scoring 15 goals with his right foot and told me to look at #2.

If you are going to pick a highlight reel show one that displays his talents in possession. Then you can see the lengths he goes to to avoid using his left foot.

Here.. watch something a little more recent,



and just for the record, I am excited as all hell if we can pull it off. Low-risk, 6-months, goals.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 01:38:46 AM
Well you said that “you’re not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe”. Which is one hell of a statement when we are talking about one of the very best overall footballers. So if he even scores just once from long range that pretty much defeats the argument. Because I’m pretty sure there are lots of worse players than him across all the leagues and certainly many who cannot shoot and score from that range with both feet.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Arsey on January 06, 2022, 01:41:24 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.

Bertie
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:44:28 AM
Well you said that “you’re not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe”. Which is one hell of a statement when we are talking about one of the very best overall footballers. So if he even scores just once from long range that pretty much defeats the argument. Because I’m pretty sure there are lots of worse players than him across all the leagues and certainly many who cannot shoot and score from that range with both feet.

 ::) Okay
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 03:49:02 AM
Well you said that “you’re not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe”. Which is one hell of a statement when we are talking about one of the very best overall footballers. So if he even scores just once from long range that pretty much defeats the argument. Because I’m pretty sure there are lots of worse players than him across all the leagues and certainly many who cannot shoot and score from that range with both feet.

 ::) Okay

2 and 7 were both left foot goals..
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 04:28:17 AM
The last signing that I was this excited about was when we signed Michael Boulding, as Doug needed a partner for the inter-department tennis tournament ;D :). 

Seriously though if we sign Coutinho and Hickey we will have signed two very very good players.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 06, 2022, 04:37:20 AM
Memory may be playing tricks but wasn't we in for him before he went to Liverpool?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 04:42:24 AM
Memory may be playing tricks but wasn't we in for him before he went to Liverpool?

It's mentioned a few pages back Robbo, we were interested.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2022, 06:19:32 AM
Memory may be playing tricks but wasn't we in for him before he went to Liverpool?

It's mentioned a few pages back Robbo, we were interested.
Interested is the same as replying “oh that’s interesting” when what you really mean is “ I could not give a fuck”
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on January 06, 2022, 06:40:44 AM
If he does sign that would indicate they've not given up on Europe this season. No point in signing a player like that just to see outvthe remaining games.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2022, 06:45:57 AM
If he does sign that would indicate they've not given up on Europe this season. No point in signing a player like that just to see outvthe remaining games.
it’s reported as a loan with an option to buy.
So if it works out for both parties, he could be here next season.
I think it will take more than Coutinho to get us any where near Europe. I think that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on January 06, 2022, 06:51:14 AM
So if we sign Coutinho (which I doubt) then he will want to be guaranteed to start every game he is fit to play in - so who drops out the team

Also would this mean that Carney will be off at the end of this season?

Does anyone know the 5 other premier league clubs interested in signing him?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 06, 2022, 07:10:31 AM
Having Gerrard as manager will enable us to attract better players just through his reputation.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 06, 2022, 07:11:30 AM
I can’t find where it says who the other clubs are, also Sky say 5 are interested and 1 club wants him on loan.

So are we buying or loaning him? Perhaps a loan with option to buy at the end?

The young left back Hickey sounds promising, but I would like Digne from Everton, genuine quality there and creates plenty from left back and has the aggression that Gerrard wants us to play with.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
So if we sign Coutinho (which I doubt) then he will want to be guaranteed to start every game he is fit to play in - so who drops out the team

Also would this mean that Carney will be off at the end of this season?

Does anyone know the 5 other premier league clubs interested in signing him?

Signing the calibre of Coutinho will help our youngsters and may keep them here longer and as regards who drops out the team, leaving a player out for someone this good is a good thing isn’t it?

That’s like saying we will never upgrade anyone again.

This is rather exciting I do hope it’s true.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 07:39:31 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.

Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 07:43:47 AM
If we want to end up in the top 6, there is a pojnt when we have to buy some players that make you sit up and show you are serious. Coutinho is a signing that puts Villa on the map, will help attract others and if we get him anywhere near his best, he'll basically replace Grealish.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on January 06, 2022, 08:07:34 AM
If we want to end up in the top 6, there is a pojnt when we have to buy some players that make you sit up and show you are serious. Coutinho is a signing that puts Villa on the map, will help attract others and if we get him anywhere near his best, he'll basically replace Grealish.




If he gets near his best it's an upgrade on Joe
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 08:15:20 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.

Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?

I believe so.  By his second season he had two number tens.

Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template.  It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on January 06, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin.  Give me a break. Cut me some slack.

Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
If we want to end up in the top 6, there is a pojnt when we have to buy some players that make you sit up and show you are serious. Coutinho is a signing that puts Villa on the map, will help attract others and if we get him anywhere near his best, he'll basically replace Grealish.
If he gets near his best it's an upgrade on Joe
It's the "if" in your comment that worries me. Is Coutinho a busted flush?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 06, 2022, 08:58:06 AM
It's looking like a loan deal, potentially with an option to buy. He tore this league apart in his first stint before being sold to one of the best clubs in the world (*at the time) for £140 million, and could soon be working for a manager where they both have great admiration for each other, a playstyle suited to his skillset and a league where he's proven he can do it. AND he's still in his late 20s.

It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.

We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?

Really don't get it??
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on January 06, 2022, 08:59:51 AM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59553010
Philippe Coutinho: How did Barcelona's record signing become a bit-part misfit?

Interesting read, if he signs, he may have a point to prove, if Gerrard can fire him up.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.

Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?

I believe so.  By his second season he had two number tens.

Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template.  It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.
I think this is basically the Liverpoo model?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 06, 2022, 09:16:07 AM
It's looking like a loan deal, potentially with an option to buy. He tore this league apart in his first stint before being sold to one of the best clubs in the world (*at the time) for £140 million, and could soon be working for a manager where they both have great admiration for each other, a playstyle suited to his skillset and a league where he's proven he can do it. AND he's still in his late 20s.

It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.

We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?

Really don't get it??

Spot on.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 09:28:42 AM
Bowery was our worst player ever in my opinion. That bad I actually felt sorry for him.

He was Cats and Dogs.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 09:30:21 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin.  Give me a break. Cut me some slack.

Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me. 


Sounds like The Who.

Who's Next?

Hickey, apparently.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 09:32:01 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin.  Give me a break. Cut me some slack.

Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me. 


Sounds like The Who.

Who's Next?

Hickey, apparently.

Hey Hickey, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
It's looking like a loan deal, potentially with an option to buy. He tore this league apart in his first stint before being sold to one of the best clubs in the world (*at the time) for £140 million, and could soon be working for a manager where they both have great admiration for each other, a playstyle suited to his skillset and a league where he's proven he can do it. AND he's still in his late 20s.

It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.

We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?

Really don't get it??

Yep, absolute madness. At one point he was one of the top 10 players in the world. If he was still at his absolute peak we'd have no chance of signing him, but I'd take him now even if he's only 80-90% as good as he was. Two years ago he was a part of a Bayern team that won the treble.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 06, 2022, 09:37:36 AM
He's a Champions League standard player. Isn't that what we need in order to push on?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on January 06, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.

We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.

My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.



Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent

Off-topic, as it's not a Villa signing, but briefly:

3 goals and 4 assists in 16 games this season. 6 Poland caps. 18 years old

Pogon Szczecin are sat in 2nd just 4 points behind the league leaders. The £8 million could be enough to push "us" to the championship. It surpasses their last record fee by c.£5 million. Such is Polish football.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 09:55:46 AM
'You can't always get what you want.  But sometimes, you get what you need.'
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer

They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 10:07:36 AM
He's a Champions League standard player. Isn't that what we need in order to push on?

Yes. But this is Villa. He’ll need a month to find match fitness, then when he starts he’ll get injured. He’ll come back for the last 3 games, perform moderately well then sign for PSG in the summer.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 06, 2022, 10:15:09 AM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer

They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Ginola was never any good at the press.
Bit of a slack workrate at times too.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 10:17:25 AM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help

When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer

They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Ginola was never any good at the press.
Bit of a slack workrate at times too.


He only came Farrah last big pay day.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
If it does come off I hope it doesn't go all James Rodriguez at Everton. When these players rock-up at clubs "beneath" them, and something goes wobbly (form/injury/manager change), it doesn't usually bode well.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 06, 2022, 10:36:25 AM
Who was the last player we had who scored regularly from outside the box? Gary Parker? Stan Staunton?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 10:41:24 AM
Who was the last player we had who scored regularly from outside the box? Gary Parker? Stan Staunton?

Hourihane
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 10:42:13 AM
Hourihane??

Coutinho has the feel of Juninho about it. Its a deal top 6 clubs pull off, not Villa.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: dr.chekov on January 06, 2022, 10:42:39 AM
Who was the last player we had who scored regularly from outside the box? Gary Parker? Stan Staunton?

Hitzlsperger?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 10:43:56 AM
If it does come off I hope it doesn't go all James Rodriguez at Everton. When these players rock-up at clubs "beneath" them, and something goes wobbly (form/injury/manager change), it doesn't usually bode well.

The potential signing reminds me of Rodriguez too.  He played well for 9 months, lifted other players, and arguably raised Everton’s profle.  The loan aspect should mitigate against the bad sides of the deal (although I think Ancellotti leaving was probably the biggest factor).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 10:44:03 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin.  Give me a break. Cut me some slack.

Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me. 

People like to call it two number 10's but for me it's just 3 up top but with the two wider players playing quite narrow.  I think we will evolve more to the Liverpool style where Mane and Salah don't play quite as narrow as we are at the moment, but they still rely on their full backs for much of the width.

As for Coutinho it would be a huge statement.  One of the higheest profile transfers we will have made in the last 4o years.  How many truly world class players have we signed whilst still young enough to be at their peak?  It may not work out, like James at Everton who was decent but cost them a fortune in wages and never kicked them on to where they wanted to be.  But in terms of a 'fuck me look at Villa' signing, it would be incredible and hopefully will help us retain our best players as they can see the scale of our ambition.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 10:50:21 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin.  Give me a break. Cut me some slack.

Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me. 

People like to call it two number 10's but for me it's just 3 up top but with the two wider players playing quite narrow.  I think we will evolve more to the Liverpool style where Mane and Salah don't play quite as narrow as we are at the moment, but they still rely on their full backs for much of the width.

As for Coutinho it would be a huge statement.  One of the higheest profile transfers we will have made in the last 4o years.  How many truly world class players have we signed whilst still young enough to be at their peak?  It may not work out, like James at Everton who was decent but cost them a fortune in wages and never kicked them on to where they wanted to be.  But in terms of a 'fuck me look at Villa' signing, it would be incredible and hopefully will help us retain our best players as they can see the scale of our ambition.

I just fear the info is all on the Spanish end, which makes me wonder if we are being used to flush a Spurs or a Chelsea out.

James at Everton was never going to work with Rafa
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on January 06, 2022, 10:52:23 AM
Hourihane??

Coutinho has the feel of Juninho about it. Its a deal top 6 clubs pull off, not Villa.

For most of my life we were seen as a top six club, even when not in the top six places.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 10:54:03 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 10:55:42 AM
Odds have drifted a bit but we're still favourites (I know) for him with Skybet. Think Arsenal are prioritising Vlahović but I'd be wary of Spurs being interested as they've come in to 4/1.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
The way I see it we've got nothing to lose, If he's knackered or past it, we'll soon find out. If he's a success then we'd be in the driving seat to sign him permanently in the summer. As long as we're not diverting money from bringing in players in more urgent positions then I don't see a problem.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
It is a complete no-brainer that if we can, we should sign Coutinho.  I think any naysaying is a possibly a defence mechanism to us being pipped by another club.  He is the exact type of player a club wanting to break into 'the elite' (PUKE) needs to make, alongside younger up and coming stars and squad players we've already ben buying.

Something makes me think we'll miss out though - probably to somebody like Newcastle (stupid wages) or West Ham (London).  Suppose we have the fact Gerrard knows him in our favour.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on January 06, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, typical Brummie negativity!

I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
In the usual tradition of H&V what we need to do is find him a house in either Little Aston or Dorridge  and then we will be ready. So any gen on what's going on with Estate Agents?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 11:05:05 AM
I think Liverpool are the main danger. Their owners have been getting a lot of stick for their lack of spending so the return of one their greats would take the heat off them.. Certainly help them out with Mane and Salah gone, but depends if Klopp fancies him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, typical Brummie negativity!

I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!

It already has (on SHA).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 11:08:04 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.

He was brilliant for Porto.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: PhilVill on January 06, 2022, 11:08:51 AM
Big yes from me, low risk and if finds 60% of the magic he had, he'd still be great.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 06, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.

Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.

The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:10:07 AM
Yes. But this is Villa. He’ll need a month to find match fitness, then when he starts he’ll get injured. He’ll come back for the last 3 games, perform moderately well then sign for PSG in the summer.
That sounds eerily like what usually happens to us.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:11:36 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.

He was brilliant for Porto.
Please don't bring facts/reality into this.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 11:12:41 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.

Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.

The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.

First 10 games of last season he was outstanding for Everton, then got injuries and it got a bit cold.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 11:13:31 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.

Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?

I believe so.  By his second season he had two number tens.

Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template.  It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.

Didn't read the replies so it might have bene answered but this is pretty much the liverpool system, 2 inverted wingers playing either side of a central striker with the option to go beyond him at times. What's missing is the extreme pace of Mane, which hopefully Bailey can add and then we're rotating between him, coutinho, buendia and traore/chuk as the options, and changing it up based on the opposition. It's also worth noting that Ings is probably closer to Firmino in style than watkins so how we end up using those 2 if this happens will be interesting.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, typical Brummie negativity!

I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!

It already has (on SHA).

Quelle surprise
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 06, 2022, 11:24:54 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, typical Brummie negativity!

I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!

It already has (on SHA).

Quelle surprise


Yes what else is happening at the Villa , they will know
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 11:25:16 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.

Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.

The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.

First 10 games of last season he was outstanding for Everton, then got injuries and it got a bit cold.

I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
Gerrard doesn't seem to have the personality to indulge a flair player (did he drop Morelos at Rangers for acting the bollix?).
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 11:34:10 AM
Now I know it is from Football Insider but basically this is the suggestion currently doing the rounds;

Loan deal is progressing with us funding half of his wages.  But his lot are waiting to see if any other offers come in and that Barcelona want us to commit to buying him at the end of the loan spell - low fee etc.  But with us spreading all of his wages out over a longer contract.  A bit like what we managed to convince SHA to do with Hogan.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 06, 2022, 11:38:47 AM
Gerrard doesn't seem to have the personality to indulge a flair player (did he drop Morelos at Rangers for acting the bollix?).

He dropped him for another reason I think. Being completely shit is my guess.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 11:48:06 AM
Now I know it is from Football Insider but basically this is the suggestion currently doing the rounds;

Loan deal is progressing with us funding half of his wages.  But his lot are waiting to see if any other offers come in and that Barcelona want us to commit to buying him at the end of the loan spell - low fee etc.  But with us spreading all of his wages out over a longer contract.  A bit like what we managed to convince SHA to do with Hogan.

Sounds about right. However I can't imagine our lot committing to buy a player on those wages on a sold as seen basis. They're not stupid, and he'll have to do it on the pitch first.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 11:53:46 AM

I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.

Even so, 6 goal and 4 assists in 21 league games is pretty good going.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
Hopefully the timing of the World Cup plays into our hands.  6 months of guranteed playing time for his old mucker Steven G is just what he needs to play himself in to the Brazil squad.  Clubs currently higher up the food chain may be more appealing longer term, but does he want to risk being understudy for Mane and Salah right before the w/c?

Right now we must be a decent fit for him.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 12:04:58 PM

I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.

Even so, 6 goal and 4 assists in 21 league games is pretty good going.

I agree, he has always had a roughly 1 in 2 'goal involvements' stat but just watching him play he's never, for me, looked like someone who was willing or able to really take hold of a game, which is what most players of hat sort of value excel at. It's similar (but on a much higher scale) to what Lansbury did (before we signed him), the odd good performance, flashes of quality in most games but very rarely dictating the game and 'winning it on his own'.

I'm less bothered than many on here if an attacking player doesn't bust a gut defensively but if you're the 'best' player in the team I do expect you to make teams come up with a plan to stop you. Look at how teams approached Grealish last year, they were scared nd kne wthat he could take the game away from them, and he regularly did it anyway. I don't think I've ever seen James have that sort of impact.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 12:14:42 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

Might be sooner than that but I suspect if they can they'd love the 'boost' from it ahead of the game to get the players and fans up for it.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 12:22:09 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

Might be sooner than that but I suspect if they can they'd love the 'boost' from it ahead of the game to get the players and fans up for it.

Would be amazing. Come on  8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 12:25:44 PM
Coming off the bench to rattle in a 30 yard free kick winner in injury time would be my choice.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

Has there ever been a 12 month loan happen in January?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on January 06, 2022, 12:36:08 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

Has there ever been a 12 month loan happen in January?

I doubt it but it would take him nicely to the world cup to get regular game time.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 12:45:13 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

It might even happen now that you've eased off on using the 'Cool/Sunglasses' emoji. ;)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
Breaking news.  There is a bit of confusion.  We are not signing Coutinho.  We have done a deal with Ford to supply the players with the latest Cortina Estates - some of them will be driven round the pitch at the home game with Manure.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on January 06, 2022, 12:53:26 PM
You just know that those Cortinas will actually be beige Allegros.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 12:54:10 PM
feels like our Robinho signing , let's hope it comes off.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 12:58:04 PM
feels like our Robinho signing , let's hope it comes off.

Hopefully it is, rather than our Passarella signing.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Keeno on January 06, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
He's only 29 which is younger than I thought. It's a relatively low-risk, potentially huge reward signing. If he's playing well in the right system, he is an absolutely elite player.

If anyone is not happy with this signing, I would politely remind you that this time two years ago, we were panic-signing Borja Baston and Mbwana Samatta. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
If he isn’t signed up by close of play tomorrow then it ain’t happening.  He will be going elsewhere. 
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on January 06, 2022, 01:13:18 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

I remember my dad turning down a new job because they offered him a Princess as a car instead of the Cortina GLS he had.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on January 06, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
The latest report is that FC Barcelona & Aston Villa are finalizing the details of the agreement for the transfer of Philippe Coutinho. There is optimism about closing the operation soon, either today or tomorrow. The sticking point is that FC Barcelona want to include a mandatory purchase clause in Phillipe Coutinho’s loan deal, but we don't not want it to be compulsory.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on January 06, 2022, 01:14:22 PM
The latest report is that FC Barcelona & Aston Villa are finalizing the details of the agreement for the transfer of Philippe Coutinho. There is optimism about closing the operation soon, either today or tomorrow. The sticking point is that FC Barcelona want to include a mandatory purchase clause in Phillipe Coutinho’s loan deal, but we don't not want it to be compulsory.

We do! Or we don’t!

I want it compulsory.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
sounds a bit rich to make it mandatory.. I wonder what the fee would be.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 01:17:21 PM
Catch 22 isn't. Barca need him off their books to register Torres, and start the Xavi era properly, Villa don't want to commit to buy him if he is rubbish on loan. Hes a gamble, but one I would imagine we could farm off elsewhere if it is not working. I would roll the dice, hes like being given the option to restore a Ferrari, someone will always want him if it goes south.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 01:17:58 PM
They've lost Aguero to forced retirement, maybe chuck them Danny Ings and call it quits?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 01:19:23 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

I remember my dad turning down a new job because they offered him a Princess as a car instead of the Cortina GLS he had.

My old man had a Granada in the late 70's. Lovely car from memory. Had a Cortina before that and before that a Triumph herald that my main memory of is the wheel falling off on the M1  ;D
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 01:21:23 PM
They've lost Aguero to forced retirement, maybe chuck them Danny Ings and call it quits?
I was thinking Kenian
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 01:44:21 PM
If the plan is to go with two number ten's behind a single striker, who will the first choice striker be?

Going to be hard to keep both Ollie Watkins and Danny Ings happy.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
feels like our Robinho signing , let's hope it comes off.

The only Reliant Robin in football was Van Persie.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 01:56:07 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.

12 month loan with option to buy.

I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.

It might even happen now that you've eased off on using the 'Cool/Sunglasses' emoji. ;)

I like that emoji  8)
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on January 06, 2022, 01:56:33 PM
Anti Ings rhetoric is wrong. He's a top striker - given the right service he'll score the goals. He might just thrive with Coutinho in the team....
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 01:58:47 PM
I'm not anti Ings, just don't think he suits us and would look to move on if the deal was right.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on January 06, 2022, 02:02:41 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

Austin Ambassador Y reg?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 06, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
I'm not anti Ings, just don't think he suits us and would look to move on if the deal was right.

Ings is a better natural finisher than Watkins. The issue is more about lack of supply. There have been flashes from Buendia linking up with Ings that have been a taste of what might be possible.

Buendia and Coutinho would absolutely bring out the best in Ings, no problem.

It is an appetising prospect if it comes off.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on January 06, 2022, 02:18:11 PM
You know we're actually getting ourselves a bit known in South America, according to a couple of my friends. Obviously we had the cult heroes for mid-level nations in Angel and Solano, but Luiz and especially Emi Martinez have increased our profile a lot continent-wide. Obviously, however, Coutinho would be a whole other level.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 02:19:42 PM
I'm not anti Ings, just don't think he suits us and would look to move on if the deal was right.

Ings is a better natural finisher than Watkins. The issue is more about lack of supply. There have been flashes from Buendia linking up with Ings that have been a taste of what might be possible.

Buendia and Coutinho would absolutely bring out the best in Ings, no problem.

It is an appetising prospect if it comes off.

Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
It might be the execution but I don’t see Gerrard’s tactics as matching Liverpool. To date, the 10s rarely get beyond the striker and the striker plays off the shoulder rather than firmino’s false 9 role.

It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.

I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.

Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 02:33:41 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

Austin Ambassador Y reg?

Yeah, throw in the options of velour seats, shag pile carpet, walnut fascia, cassette radio. sunroof and map pockets (for spaghetti junction). If he's any good upgrade him to the Automatic model with the leather seats.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 02:52:34 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

Austin Ambassador Y reg?

Yeah, throw in the options of velour seats, shag pile carpet, walnut fascia, cassette radio. sunroof and map pockets (for spaghetti junction). If he's any good upgrade him to the Automatic model with the leather seats.

You could probably save on the optional headrests as he's not the biggest.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 02:55:42 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.

Austin Ambassador Y reg?

Now you may covet a Coutinho, or a Fabinho, marvel at the Robinho, but not me no.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:02:25 PM

Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.

I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 03:08:30 PM
It might be the execution but I don’t see Gerrard’s tactics as matching Liverpool. To date, the 10s rarely get beyond the striker and the striker plays off the shoulder rather than firmino’s false 9 role.

It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.

I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.

Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
He hasn't had time to implement his attacking system yet, so it's a work in progress.  I think it wlll probably move more torwards the Liverpool way as we get the personnel in, in particlar a more attacking leftback.  Long term I think we will continue to have 3 up front like Liverpool, with advanced fullbacks.  Whether people want to call them 10's or wingers is up to them, but that's how I expect us to set up.  This is great for me as it's exactly how I hoped we'd play.

I suspect it will have to be Watkins OR Ings, which is fine by me, I want us to have a deep squad.  Although Watkins is a good player for us I agree with Paul than an on form Ings may be better suited to the role.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 06, 2022, 03:10:17 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play.  That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.

That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 03:18:00 PM

Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.

I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.

I disagree, you spend £100m to improve the team not to have a bog standard midfielder.

No comparisons in football are going to be perfect but that was just an example of what a manager should be there for. To get the best out of the team and make individual players better otherwise you could just pick a side via committee. It’s why Gerrard has the job rather than me or you.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 03:18:14 PM
You know we're actually getting ourselves a bit known in South America, according to a couple of my friends. Obviously we had the cult heroes for mid-level nations in Angel and Solano, but Luiz and especially Emi Martinez have increased our profile a lot continent-wide. Obviously, however, Coutinho would be a whole other level.

In a perfect world we'd find a mexican superstar to go with the MLS franchise and take over most of the americas as people's premier league club of choice. No idea who it could be though.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:19:24 PM

Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.

I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.

I disagree, you spend £100m to improve the team not to have a bog standard midfielder.

No comparisons in football are going to be perfect but that was just an example of what a manager should be there for. To get the best out of the team and make individual players better otherwise you could just pick a side via committee. It’s why Gerrard has the job rather than me or you.

Normal rules don't apply to Man City.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
They've lost Aguero to forced retirement, maybe chuck them Danny Ings and call it quits?
I was thinking Kenian ...
... isn't that a character from Planet of the Apes?
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
It might be the execution but I don’t see Gerrard’s tactics as matching Liverpool. To date, the 10s rarely get beyond the striker and the striker plays off the shoulder rather than firmino’s false 9 role.

It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.

I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.

Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
He hasn't had time to implement his attacking system yet, so it's a work in progress.  I think it wlll probably move more torwards the Liverpool way as we get the personnel in, in particlar a more attacking leftback.  Long term I think we will continue to have 3 up front like Liverpool, with advanced fullbacks.  Whether people want to call them 10's or wingers is up to them, but that's how I expect us to set up.  This is great for me as it's exactly how I hoped we'd play.

I suspect it will have to be Watkins OR Ings, which is fine by me, I want us to have a deep squad.  Although Watkins is a good player for us I agree with Paul than an on form Ings may be better suited to the role.

I suspect Liverpool play the way they do because of Salah more than anything. When you have a guy who is arguably the best player in the world and he wnts to play high but on the right you alter your plans to make that work. At Dortmund he developed into the front 3 being quite fluid with the cnetral player sometimes deeper and sometimes leading the line. Even now when Origi gets gametime they tend to change shape and he plays higher than Firmino or Jota.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 06, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play.  That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.

That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.

It's an odd one, I was saying watching we look far less pacy and dynamic in the final third without Ollie pressing, but I don't think he'd have scored that goal and that is what Ings brings to the party!
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:32:48 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play.  That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.

That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.

It's an odd one, I was saying watching we look far less pacy and dynamic in the final third without Ollie pressing, but I don't think he'd have scored that goal and that is what Ings brings to the party!

That's the dilemma. You get more running and pressing with Watkins, but his finishing is hit and miss, preferring mostly to smack the ball into defenders' shins this season. Ings is a better finisher, but contributes less to the team overall.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 03:45:13 PM
*Checks to see if H&V has it's own Coutinho thread, sees that is doesn't and gets back to work.
Title: Re: The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2022, 03:46:27 PM