Post by: Dave P on November 11, 2021, 04:14:38 PM
I imagine the priority will still be a big horrible centre midfielder but I assume an attacking left back will also be looked at?
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2021, 04:20:00 PM
I do not see lots of activity, I would expect him to have a little bit of a clear out.
Interesting to see if Newcastle come calling for any of our players.
Post by: Eckybloke on November 11, 2021, 04:34:08 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 11, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Defensive Central Midfielder.
Left Back.
If as I suspect they held money back in the summer with our negative net spend then hopefully the taps will be back on and we can spend big money on the above two positions.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
Post by: Monty on November 11, 2021, 05:55:25 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.
Movie pitch: El Santo vs. FC Zombie.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.
Movie pitch: El Santo vs. FC Zombie.
Ha! I will approach his estate imminently.
Post by: manic-road on November 11, 2021, 06:08:59 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 11, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2021, 06:35:09 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 11, 2021, 06:45:51 PM
I think we might go in for a left back too, if for no other reason than we seem a bit short, and unlike on the other flank we've not got a kid ripping up trees there.
Post by: aj2k77 on November 11, 2021, 06:49:50 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 06:56:41 PM
Are we considering a bid for anyone or are we preparing one? I want to see clubs' resolves tested.
The club doesn't give much away. It might be worth checking other teams' forums to see whether they're braced for an offer, or maybe even a raid.
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 11, 2021, 07:49:40 PM
Big hard ball playing number 6 with ability on the ball.Kevin Richardson type?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 07:55:11 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Don't some clubs negotiate a 'no coming after our players for a while' clause when a manager leaves mid-contract? If so, I hope FC Zombie have.Only thing is we did it the otherway round. No selling us your players while..
Post by: Scovilla on November 11, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.He should be a priority.
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2021, 08:00:12 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 11, 2021, 08:01:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 11, 2021, 08:07:23 PM
What is a Warchest ?
A newcastle fans man boobs
Post by: Skerra on November 11, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
He and we could desperately do with a win v Brighton.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2021, 08:56:54 PM
What is a Warchest ?
A newcastle fans man boobs
Very good.
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 09:18:23 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 11, 2021, 09:26:44 PM
Are we considering a bid for anyone or are we preparing one? I want to see clubs' resolves tested.
The club doesn't give much away. It might be worth checking other teams' forums to see whether they're braced for an offer, or maybe even a raid.
It's a little known fact (ie, complete bollocks from me) that chief execs of clubs up and down the land alternate between those lunar module simulators at NASA and decompression chambers.
To avoid being braced beyond all recognition come January.
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
What is a Warchest ?
A newcastle fans man boobs
Very good.
Post by: Legion on November 11, 2021, 10:09:21 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 11, 2021, 10:34:18 PM
A proper defensive midfielder would be really, really lovely this January.
Only real addition needed in January I think. Might even need two central midfielders really, a 6 and an 8.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
Anyone take Coutinho on loan?
Would be a big punt considering how he is now viewed, apparently pretty lazy. Gerrard did play with him though.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 11, 2021, 11:55:18 PM
Anyone take Coutinho on loan?
Nope, doesn’t seem to have any hunger to play and contribute. Can see him in Middle East or wherever is paying the most to players with big reputations who can’t be arsed any more
Shame as he’s a fantastic player.
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2021, 09:44:36 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 12, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.He should be a priority.
Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 12, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.
or actually have him playing like last year , but we need some cover
A proper defensive midfielder would be really, really lovely this January.
Only real addition needed in January I think. Might even need two central midfielders really, a 6 and an 8.
yep we dont need alot
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 11:51:39 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 12, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It depends on how Targett reacts. He was crap first year in the Premier League, great last year, and back to being crap again. He seems to be suffering as much from Grealish’s departure as Smith did.
Yes they really had a good understanding down the left. Targett's confidence has dropped, which is understandable.
Post by: DrGonzo on November 12, 2021, 12:05:50 PM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.
We could try upcycling him... maybe a nice shade of duck egg blue hair and a handlebar moustache?
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2021, 12:20:50 PM
If we can I’d upgrade Targett and add a DCM.
We could try upcycling him... maybe a nice shade of duck egg blue hair and a handlebar moustache?
It took me a while DrG but I got the joke in the end.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
It depends on how Targett reacts. He was crap first year in the Premier League, great last year, and back to being crap again. He seems to be suffering as much from Grealish’s departure as Smith did.
Yes they really had a good understanding down the left. Targett's confidence has dropped, which is understandable.
It's not helped, but I thought Targett was the one player last season that didn't drop in performance last season when Grealish was out.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 12, 2021, 01:21:55 PM
Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.He should be a priority.
Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)
Bissouma might be otherwise engaged...
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
The West Ham & Southampton games illustrated the defensive midfielder role perfectly for me - Nakamba is a willing runner but even though he was one of our better players in those games you compared his ball usage to that of Rice / Soucek / JWP / Romeu it was night and day.
Targett looked the part when he had Jack in front of him but the way Jack plays in slowing the game down because opponents are so scared of him gave Targett time to get beyond & contribute….this current run he looks so far off the pace defensively and attacking that we need a proper alternative, with pace!
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:01:59 PM
I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.
We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
Targett can be brilliant, it's a confidence thing with him I think. He's struggled with the change in formation etc. Plus he's not a wing-back.Darvelous Lakamba
I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.
We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
Careless of Chelsea to have both Rudiger & Christensen's contracts expiring in the summer.Boubacar Kamara. Out of contract this summer. Def midfield. Job sorted.He should be a priority.
Lots of midfielders out of contract next summer and gettable in January. Makes a bit more sense to me than paying 40m for the likes of Bissouma even if we could get him.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 02:08:38 PM
Our whole midfield simply has to improve their ball retention. So wasteful in possession.Definitely. It may, of course, also be an issue of who's ahead of them and what moves they're making to open the game up.
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2021, 02:09:12 PM
Not to be mistaken for Mouglas Nuiz - who has the worst attributes of both combined.Targett can be brilliant, it's a confidence thing with him I think. He's struggled with the change in formation etc. Plus he's not a wing-back.Darvelous Lakamba
I do think a central midfielder could be needed, but to be honest, if we want to be challenging at the top end of the table we need to be spending a lot of money to upgrade wherever we want to improve. Every player we have has increased in value, we just need to get them playing together better.
We need someone who has the best attributes of Nakamba and Luiz combined don't we?
Oh no, wait, that's Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:09:18 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:16:11 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?I would, but he'd se us as a big step down unfortunately. I get the impression he already hates Grealish (never passes to him, never seems to celebrate with him) I think he'd hate the idea of swapping clubs with him.
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:18:52 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?I would, but he'd se us as a big step down unfortunately. I get the impression he already hates Grealish (never passes to him, never seems to celebrate with him) I think he'd hate the idea of swapping clubs with him.
I wonder whether the Gerrard connection would perhaps help swing it..... given he's such a draw...
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 02:19:09 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
All day long. But it won't happen.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 02:22:14 PM
Can't believe he's only 26. Would be the sort of profile signing that would make people sit up and take notice, but not sure he'd fit into the Gerrard formation.He'd work well as one of the front 3 I'd have thought, but it would leave us a bit overloaded with Bailey, Traore, Buendia, Watkins and I guess ElGhazi and Trez.
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2021, 02:31:31 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.
Post by: ozzjim on November 12, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Can't believe he's only 26. Would be the sort of profile signing that would make people sit up and take notice, but not sure he'd fit into the Gerrard formation.He'd work well as one of the front 3 I'd have thought, but it would leave us a bit overloaded with Bailey, Traore, Buendia, Watkins and I guess ElGhazi and Trez.
He's head and shoulders above any of our options.
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 02:53:12 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.
In my view, he's the sort of ambitious signing we should be after. The question is, would he come.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 02:56:35 PM
Raheem Sterling always seems to be linked with moving. Would we take him?
Too bloody right we would. Miles and miles better than anybody we currently have.
In my view, he's the sort of ambitious signing we should be after. The question is, would he come.
No, he wouldn't.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 12, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 03:19:13 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
RS Turbo-ing a 1.3L Ford Escort.
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:26:15 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
"I haven't"
"Exactly"
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 12, 2021, 03:29:29 PM
Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
I wouldn't get carried away with that. I think the rumours at the start of the summer was that we had £200m to spend. I think after the sales we made we spent minus 15 million.
As long as we get that solid defensive midfielder, a good stand in young goalkeeper and one or two quality new defenders we should improve a lot, whatever it costs.
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
Post by: aev on November 12, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
Christ, Sterling would be lovely but I think we're a way off that at present. Plus, his international manager has explicitly demonstrated to him that playing for us would be the death-knell of his England career.
It is ok, Southgate loves us now.
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:37:42 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:40:21 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.
Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.
Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.
We've been one proper midfielder away from glory for much of the near 40 years I've been watching us. Indeed, that player is now managing us.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 12, 2021, 03:43:00 PM
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 03:45:03 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
I still think any three of them can do it if the balance of the team is right, at least up until we can bring someone in. I mean, I know they're largely culpable for our problems but not entirely, and properly organised they all have the ability.
Agreed that they can, but it still means we're basically one injury away from having very few options. 5 senior players for 3 positions with Carney and Babbie Ramsey waiting in the wings seems like better squad balance to me, and we're one proper player away IMO.
We've been one proper midfielder away from glory for much of the near 40 years I've been watching us. Indeed, that player is now managing us.
Reckon I'd still have him in there over Ash.
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2021, 04:19:48 PM
Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
I'd almost certainly agree, but you never know.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Good,Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.
So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Post by: IFWaters on November 12, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
Pogba 54m
Kessie AC Milan 49m
Insigne Napoli 43m
Christensen Chelsea 31m
Brozovic Inter 25m
Lingard Man Utd 21m
Di Maria PSG 18m
Suarez Athletico 14m
Azpilacueta Chelsea 12m
Origi Liverpool 11m
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2021, 05:53:18 PM
I read somewhere he wanted to go play in Europe.Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2021, 09:49:01 PM
I think we need that proper midfielder, not just for its own sake, but also to put the shiters up McGinn a bit. In that 4-3-3 I can see Luiz being a nailed on starter, and McGinn will have to compete with Sanson and Ramsey for a place which can only be a good thing.
Think Gerrard will love SJM tbh. Probably hears from Rangers players all the time how good he is for Scotland and really at his best he's a lesser version of how Gerrard played the role.
Again though it's same as the summer, sign a better standard DM who can win the ball and hold their position and give Luiz and SJM more licence to play higher up the pitch. We saw glimpses of that away to likes of Chelsea and Man. United in September so that's what I expect from Feb onwards in the Gerrard interpretation of 4-3-3.
Post by: Monty on November 12, 2021, 11:03:20 PM
Post by: Alex77 on November 12, 2021, 11:22:35 PM
I read somewhere he wanted to go play in Europe.Sterling isn't attainable however much money we have.Sterling would be a bit like getting fandago wheels and a spoiler when you still haven't got an engine.So, if we got an engine too... which according to many should be simple enough....
If the rumoured £100-150m we've got to spend in January is true, then a midfielder and Sterling (plus potentially left back) should be attainable.
So he's happy where he is then?
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 12:40:13 AM
3 x world class defensive midfielders.
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 12:42:12 AM
I too love McGinn, but he needs more focus and more definition in his role. More competition would help that I think.Just needs a good defensive midfielder or two behind him. So he can feel to run riot.
Post by: tony scott on November 13, 2021, 06:57:40 AM
Post by: frank black on November 13, 2021, 07:02:02 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 13, 2021, 07:26:58 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2021, 07:29:04 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
£50m, but to them? £150m
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:32:17 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?if Maguire was £80mil, then I'd take £75mil for Mings - they're loaded.
Post by: ozzjim on November 13, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?if Maguire was £80mil, then I'd take £75mil for Mings - they're loaded.
Offered anything over £50 it would be very hard to say no you'd think.
Post by: passport1 on November 13, 2021, 08:43:28 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2021, 08:43:37 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 13, 2021, 08:46:43 AM
Sell Mings for a load to Newcastle and have Christensen
May as well get Insigne and Lingaard too
Post by: richtheholtender on November 13, 2021, 08:54:18 AM
Post by: ROBBO on November 13, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 08:56:51 AM
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2021, 08:56:57 AM
Offered anything over £50 it would be very hard to say no you'd think.
A bit harsh but on current form probably right! 😉
Post by: Ads on November 13, 2021, 09:48:52 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 13, 2021, 10:03:51 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.
Post by: Clampy on November 13, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.
Didnt he pick up a bad injury there before he came here on loan?
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2021, 10:51:30 AM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.
Didnt he pick up a bad injury there before he came here on loan?
Yes, he was injured for ages, which is why despite his age he's still relatively inexperienced at this level. It was one of those occasions where you pick up a player higher than your current level because he's either had injury problems in the past, or has fallen out with his current manager or whatever.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 13, 2021, 11:00:43 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.I would give that as much as a snowball in hell.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 11:12:58 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.I would give that as much as a snowball in hell.
yeah.
"Hi this is Amanda, we're quite interested in buying one of your players"
"I'm sorry, but at the moment with us being in Europe and fighting for CL qualification there is no way we can sanction selling any of our squad. We don't think we have the strength in depth in key positions and furthermore......
"Phil Jones. 5m"
"…..but there's always exceptions. Cash or card?"
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 11:29:53 AM
Suggestion the other 19 will form a de facto Cartel and refuse to sell to Newcastle.Or the opposite, every club should sell their players at a ridiculous price - say £90mil for Nakamba
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 11:57:42 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 12:02:03 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 12:02:47 PM
That's really the point with going for a big name instead of experience. Its a bit meh having someone who can attract better players if there's no money to buy them unless we're going to pay them with Stevie G merchandise.that's how we pay Purslow
Post by: sickbeggar on November 13, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2021, 01:23:33 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2021, 01:28:32 PM
Rumours Howe wants Mings. How much would it take for us to sell do you think?
From what I remember Tyrone couldn't get a game for Bournemouth under Howe so I can't see that rumour being true.
He did play for them one season fairly regularly but then got injured plus they obviously knew it was good business to cash in.
I read a while back Newcastle wanted Tarkowski from Burnley so that's the sort of signing that would drag Burnley a bit closer to relegation.
Post by: TonyD on November 13, 2021, 02:15:49 PM
a few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.
Trez plus AEG plus Nakamba. There is £3.50 right there.
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2021, 03:02:12 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
that's wishful thinkinga few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.
Trez plus AEG plus Nakamba. There is £3.50 right there.
Post by: NorthYvillan on November 13, 2021, 04:15:32 PM
Post by: Rigadon on November 13, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
If we abided by FFP, would we be the first massive / mega-rich club (that wasn't going bust) to actually do so?
Post by: AV82EC on November 13, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
I'm still not sure who else actually abides by 'FFP' rules, or what they are exactly. It seems like such an abstract thing that is used to sell news stories: "Oooh, Villa will have to abide by some rules that will prevent them from buying x player which will naturally lead to relegation", or "Oooh, Villa are going to spend £200m, but what about FFP those scoundrels"). There is never any analysis or factual reportage on what the rules are, when they were breached and why. Which makes me think it's all a load of old bollocks.
If we abided by FFP, would we be the first massive / mega-rich club (that wasn't going bust) to actually do so?
The only people who've broken the rule were Man Shitty a few years back and were hauled over the coals given a fine and a smallish transfer ban (?) by UEFA which they then got overturned because they can afford better lawyers! I think a few clubs Bournemouth may have been one have been fined by the EFL for shenanigans in the championship.
Post by: frank black on November 13, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: algy on November 13, 2021, 06:49:52 PM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...
Post by: not3bad on November 13, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
that's wishful thinkinga few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.
Trez plus AEG plus Nakamba. There is £3.50 right there.
What's Hause done?
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Dunno.that's wishful thinkinga few out isn't a bad idea anyway, regardless if it's for FFP purposes or not.
Trez plus AEG plus Nakamba. There is £3.50 right there.
What's Hause done?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2021, 07:10:40 PM
I’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...
I memtioned earlier that I've seen another saying we've £205m to play with. The one by that liverpudlian academic that says about us having only £5m I think also says the only club with an even smaller budget is Newcastle, who I'm pretty sure, thanks to their previous owner's renowned parsimony, actually have quite some leeway in the market.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on November 13, 2021, 09:50:21 PM
Phew, thanks for the correction , hope you’re right, would love more signings and some moved on again, especially as board want to see consistent improvementsI’ve read an article somewhere saying that we are currently only a few million away from FFP rules limit so does that mean unless we clear a few out first in January, there isn’t a big war chest for new regime ?Sensationalist nonsense. It said it was only up to the 20/21 season, so missing our TV income, the Grealish money, ...
Post by: sickbeggar on November 14, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 14, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 14, 2021, 01:52:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2021, 02:33:01 PM
Kamara, well everyone wants another midfielder .....
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 06:56:54 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 07:28:16 AM
Kent isnt a improvement on what we have.
Gerrards a huge name in the game he can attract top players here
Post by: steamer on November 15, 2021, 07:37:03 AM
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 07:58:43 AM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard? Don't think I would.
So who we dropping and what formation? He's an Attacking centre midfielder mainly so its getting a bit crowded in there. Man U have the same problem as us as they have either bobbins (McFred) or attacking midfielders/wingers so i'm not surprised they want to cash in.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2021, 08:23:30 AM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard? Don't think I would.
Id take lingard definitely
Id sell AEG and trez
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 08:43:10 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.
yep not sure sure how that would go down with the bean counters, replacing a 30m pound player in 3 months. Mind he could go with the 4-2-3-1 (spit) and play him in the middle with Buendia on the right and bailey on the left and then we could try another way of letting the opposition run through our midfield
Post by: ROBBO on November 15, 2021, 08:53:35 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 09:15:35 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 10:50:52 AM
Well Mr. Gerrard seems to have a preference for playing South American drug barons up front, so if Ollie's prepared to get tatted up, a severe haircut and practice looking menacing in the mirror I think he'll get the gig. Ings - 25m to Burnley in January to make room for Defoe.
Ings has already got that in fairness, though they both sound like nice, well rounded young men when they talk.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 10:55:54 AM
Post by: caster troy on November 15, 2021, 11:00:14 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:24:18 AM
Kamara you're shopping in the Nakamba market. Could come off but is the SPL more of a dead cert than the Dutch or Belgium league for quality? I'd hope we'd be looking at better
He plays alright for Finland in fairness and think he's got more of a physical edge and better positioning than Nakamba.
Perhaps not a long term solution at DM for where we want to go but I'd be o.k getting him in Jan as starter for rest of the season and then he goes back to a sub option next season.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 11:25:50 AM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2021, 11:26:46 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.Flash in the pan player, can have his moments. Also the off field issues are a worry.
Post by: Beard82 on November 15, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Lingard isn't consistent enough. We need a bigger step up than him if we want to go places. Then again, he'd be up against Bailey for a place.I think we don't need a lot of players, for me the ones that come in need to be Marked improvements on what we have
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 12:01:23 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Aye, you could be right. Whether Watkins is going to live with seeing his England chances go down the pan is another thing. Two months on the bench and he could be off in January.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 15, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Sounds about right though, if so, I hope Ollie can be a success out wide. We need to find a way to accommodate them both that works - they are great players.
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 15, 2021, 01:02:23 PM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard? Don't think I would.
Id take lingard definitely
Id sell AEG and trez
was just going to post this especially for the cost with his contact going. His stats for WH was brilliant.
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2021, 01:11:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 01:22:53 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
Post by: dave shelley on November 15, 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.
I'd rather have an 8/10 every week than a 6/10 and 10/10 split without knowing which week would be which.
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
Yes, and Ross Barkley says hello.
I'd rather have an 8/10 every week than a 6/10 and 10/10 split without knowing which week would be which.
I'd rather a 7/10 each week in all honesty, though I'm a boring fucker.
Post by: mrfuse on November 15, 2021, 02:26:32 PM
If you get West Ham Lingard, being a pest, working to close the spaces and generally causing mayhem, he could be ideal for Gerrards 2 10's formation. If you get the other Lingard, that goes missing and can't hit a barn door, there is no point.
You'd get both. Which is the issue and why Man Utd appear ready to offload.
When Lingard first went on loan to West ham he had a fantastic start much to our dismay but then he seemed to fizzle out.
If hes interested perhaps Gerrard and our new coaches think that they could get some consistency out of him?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:37:07 PM
There's a lot of things to like about Watkins, but at times his finishing is woeful.yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.
I'd see Ings as our main striker with Wakins either wide (which in the narrow systerm Gerrard plays he could be perfect for) or back up
Post by: ozzjim on November 15, 2021, 02:40:57 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 15, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
Ollie Watkins would be my first choice every time. A bit off form at the moment but I have no doubt it will return.
If somebody can help Ollie improve his first touch we'll have a 20+ goalscorer on our hands. His pressing will be much appreciated by Gerrard, that's for sure.
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 02:46:13 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 02:50:51 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
edit - I meant to say I think Trez can move on, I still have high hopes for Traore
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 02:57:46 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then ;)
Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to. And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.
Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 15, 2021, 03:01:51 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then ;)
Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to. And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.
Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 15, 2021, 03:08:59 PM
Think he'd leave if he was relegated to wide or back-up. Why go from the main man at the club and fringes of the England squad as a striker, to a position where you're not even the best player in that position at the club. Arsenal would probably take him in January and play him up front giving us a big profit and Mr Gerrard could buy Morales who'd live with being back-up for now due to the step-up career wise. Just thinking aloud here and obviously providing we have the replacements for Cash and Targett in place by then ;)
Well firstly, because the manager might tell him to. And secondly, if we play like Liverpool then Watkins in a Mane / Salah type role may suit him perfectly.
Until he improves his finishing I don't see him as being in any position to chuck toys or make demands and I doubt Gerrard will put up with any sulking either.
I fear we are backing the wrong horse if we pick Ings ahead of Watkins for the central role. I could see him seeking a move if that was the case My hope is that Gerrard can successfully sell - and execute tactically - the wide position as the Salah role rather him seeing it as being dropped/demoted.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2021, 03:20:42 PM
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player. I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it. Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week. He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances. It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save. Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player. I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it. Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week. He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances. It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
Take your point but if something's not broke why fix it? Especially when the fix is injury prone and 4 years older. It's like moving Konsa to fullback to make room for someone else. It's not like there wasn't areas in the first team that do need improvement.
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player. I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it. Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week. He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances. It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save. Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 03:54:35 PM
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player. I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it. Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week. He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances. It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save. Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.
The Firmino role needs someone that can play with their backs to goal and they need to be strong, and goals are not so important as the main threat is from the other two.
It will be the making of Keinan Davis.
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 04:01:04 PM
Being able to pick a front 3 from Bailey, Ings, Buendia, Watkins, Traore, Bidace is pretty exciting. IF we can get and keep them fit that it. I think we can afford to move ElGhazi, Traore & Davis on. I can't see them featuring much now.
It's the fitness thing that's the issue. For large parts of the season so far we've had at least half of them out at a time.
Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2021, 04:02:52 PM
Thre's a big difference to the way Mane / Salah play to a traditional wide player. I think Watkins is pretty well suited to it. Either way, we need to get out of the mindset of players having to start every week. He should get plenty of gametime whether centrally or wide and if he needs to start on the bench sometimes then that's fine too.
He's not a wide player. He was so-so wide player at Brentford and got good when he was converted and 16 goals in 40 games last time isn't bad for a crap finisher. Why damage his value sticking him on the bench or out wide?
In terms of finishing, yes he had a good season last year, but for me he still misses far too many chances. It's got to he point now where I'm expecting him to miss when a chance falls to him. The West Ham goal was straight at the keeper and a pretty poor effort at a save. Smith would prpbably still be in a job if he'd been more clinical in the last 3 games.
2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.
The Firmino role needs someone that can play with their backs to goal and they need to be strong, and goals are not so important as the main threat is from the other two.
It will be the making of Keinan Davis.
My guess is that is exactly why Smith persisted with him. And why I hope we keep him.
Post by: LeeB on November 15, 2021, 04:06:42 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 15, 2021, 04:17:15 PM
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2021, 04:24:37 PM
Post by: algy on November 15, 2021, 05:07:35 PM
Maybe he could persuade Milner to return for a dual player/erm Assistant Lead Sports scientist Analysis coach role? You can't have enough coaches I reckon.Was wondering, is there a maximum number of coaches you're allowed? Could we have, like, 30k "coaches" and turn every match in to a defacto home game, for example?
Post by: Mister E on November 15, 2021, 06:05:59 PM
2 from Watkins, Traore and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles with Ings or Buendia in the Firmino role would be how I'd setup for now, with McGinn, Luiz and Sanson/Ramsey as a flat 3 in midfield in behind. If we can add a proper DM I'd bring them in and go 2 from 4 of the others.I think it'll more likely be 2 from Buendia, Traore, Archer and Bailey playing the Salah and Mane roles; with Ings or Watkins in the Firmino role; although I'm not sure Watkins would be smart or quick enough for it.
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area
The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted
Post by: AV82EC on November 15, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix
Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area
The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted
I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.
Post by: john e on November 15, 2021, 07:32:20 PM
It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix
Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area
The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted
I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.
I don’t think they’re anywhere near good enough technically but we’ll have to wait and see what Gerard thinks I suppose
I’d be very surprised if he sees Hause and to Tuanzebe as the future and I think need replacing, Konsa is okay but Mings needs to up his game a couple of levels imo
Post by: charlatan on November 15, 2021, 07:33:14 PM
Our players appear confused enough as it is!Maybe he could persuade Milner to return for a dual player/erm Assistant Lead Sports scientist Analysis coach role? You can't have enough coaches I reckon.Was wondering, is there a maximum number of coaches you're allowed? Could we have, like, 30k "coaches" and turn every match in to a defacto home game, for example?
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
Would you turn your nose up at Lingard? Don't think I would.I'd have him - proved at West Ham what he can do. He'd be a better option than Traore - who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 15, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on November 15, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
For me the problem is in midfield.It's easy to pass out from the back if the midfield players provide a choice of passes.The real technical skill comes in midfield where very accurate short passing can bypass the opposition.Buendia and Doug have that ability.It’s alright banging on about forward players wide players attacking midfield players we’ve got plenty of good ones just a case of finding the right mix
Our biggest weakness is coming out of from the back, That slow lumbering pass it around for 10 minutes then back to the goalkeeper as soon as any pressure is applied
all 4 of our first pick central defenders are not comfortable with the ball and even less likely to have the technical ability to play it out from the back with any effectiveness , this will be a big problem for the new manager
I think he might rectify this first and any new players coming in January might be in this area
The link from defence to midfield to attack is so important if we can’t do it effectively no matter who you’ve Got playing upfront they will be restricted by Poor quality ball coming forward
I would say it’s even more important than the mythical CDM who people think will turn Us into a proper team, it won’t if the defence can’t be trusted
I'm going to disagree I think Konsa/Mings are more than adequate distributors or technical ballplayers but if the midfield mix isn't right then its pointless playing out from the back. Its quite noticeable when Doug isn't playing how poor we are at keeping hold of the ball or being progressive up the pitch. As I think Ads has pointed out several times our problems in defence and attack always stem from our midfield balance and inability to transition effectively.
Too often our outball has been to the full back who gets blocked in on the touchline.Grealish was the means of unblocking this congestion.Southgate's England have the same problem.Midfielders are often too far from the ball and not close enough to one another.This is more a tactical problem rather than one of personnel.
Smith sometimes picked a midfield that was poor at regaining possession or in its defensive work,especially wide players not tracking back.Getting the balance in midfield is key for us and an upgrade on Nakamba should be the priority.
Post by: Monty on November 15, 2021, 08:31:04 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 15, 2021, 10:21:23 PM
yeah i'd totally forgotten Ings time working with Gerrard until that interview.
Seems Gerrard was really supportive when Ings did his ACL about 5 games in to his Liverpool career.
He'll be number one striker here, don't think there's any doubt. Ollie will have to work things out from out wide or on the bench as he's really not playing well enough to justify his place currently.
Why on earth would there be no doubt? Watkins is a fabulous player, whose work ethic and willingness to learn has been discussed at length. He scored a lot of goals and was a constant menace in defense with his pressing game.
Yeah all that was in 20-21, not this season though. Aside from two nice close range finishes Ollie has struggled so far.
Ings hasn't been that good either tbh in general play which has been disappointing but I'd say he'll be one of those players that finds extra 5-10% with who we've appointed as manager and he's not as easy to fit into a 4-3-3 so to me he simply starts as CF.
Only way other than pushing Ollie out wide would be 4-3-1-2 but then we just bench all our wide players so can't see that happening.
Wouldn't be a huge shock if manager favours player he's worked with before anyway so if Ings is fit he starts upfront on Saturday and we certainly won't be playing 3-5-2.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on November 16, 2021, 08:30:16 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
Post by: villa for life on November 16, 2021, 08:49:30 AM
We’ve forgotten how good he can be. He was our star player at on point with the big boys starting to get interested and fees of 60-80 million being bandied about. It all changed when Smith asked him to take on the role of defensive midfielder.
He still plays very close if not part of the front three for Scotland and you can see what results they are getting. More often than not, McGinn is named man or one of the men of the match. My greatest wish is for Gerrard to notice Smith’s error and once again put him much further forward, as Gerrard himself used to play.
Luiz is much better at defending, but he also has or used to have a tendency to get forward. Such an imbalanced squad which can’t solely be blamed on Smith. I often wonder if Cash couldn’t do a better job as a defensive midfielder. Pity we let guilbert go out on loan otherwise we could try it..
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 08:54:51 AM
Post by: algy on November 16, 2021, 09:02:43 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 09:10:18 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor
Post by: ROBBO on November 16, 2021, 09:12:09 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 16, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor
I can say this with 100% certainty now: Dean doesn't sign the players.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 16, 2021, 09:20:53 AM
Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
yeah, surely if Man U wanted him in the shop window they wouldn't have sanctioned the loan if he was a going as a reserve. Maybe Smith actually rated him? Looking back with the benefit of hindsight at him and Young signing I think he just ran out of money to bring anyone more long term in to replace Engels, Elmo and Taylor
I can say this with 100% certainty now: Dean doesn't sign the players.
heh. Yeah and that worried the hell out of me tbh. And still worries me. NOT a fan of that way of doing things.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 16, 2021, 09:26:54 AM
Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
Post by: steamer on November 16, 2021, 06:25:36 PM
Having him and young as backups to their respective positions made sense to me
But not trying to fit them into the 1st 11
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2021, 08:03:42 PM
not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
Post by: Mister E on November 17, 2021, 09:20:02 AM
The other issue in playing out from the back is that the midfielders need better movement around them, so that the next pass is immediately on: the whole approach requires a pass-and-move mentality. This season we have lacked that.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 17, 2021, 09:57:15 AM
For me the problem is in midfield.It's easy to pass out from the back if the midfield players provide a choice of passes.The real technical skill comes in midfield where very accurate short passing can bypass the opposition.Buendia and Doug have that ability.
Too often our outball has been to the full back who gets blocked in on the touchline.Grealish was the means of unblocking this congestion.Southgate's England have the same problem.Midfielders are often too far from the ball and not close enough to one another.This is more a tactical problem rather than one of personnel.
Smith sometimes picked a midfield that was poor at regaining possession or in its defensive work,especially wide players not tracking back.Getting the balance in midfield is key for us and an upgrade on Nakamba should be the priority.
Spot on. This is how I see it too.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 17, 2021, 10:02:14 AM
It's all very well with hindsight, but Smith had seen him play in the real world multiple times and was happy with him as backup - I'd take his view over internet Man U fans who now seem to be watching training. What costs us, Smith and Axel was the unsettled formation and trying to force the disasterous 3 at the back. And that is on Smith.not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 17, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
its not internet , I know them and they have close connections with the club.It's all very well with hindsight, but Smith had seen him play in the real world multiple times and was happy with him as backup - I'd take his view over internet Man U fans who now seem to be watching training. What costs us, Smith and Axel was the unsettled formation and trying to force the disasterous 3 at the back. And that is on Smith.not according to manure fans , he has been unimpressive in training and under 23 games.Agreed, it was a perfectly sensible back up signing for me, although I think he probably has a higher ceiling than Hause and would have thought he'd be a bit more than relegation fodder once in a settled back 4.Seeing Tuanzebe has some history as a holding midfielder I wondered if he was in Smith's thoughts but obviously not. Another baffling signing.I thought he made/makes sense as a short term signing to provide cover. If we were playing 4 at the back, having him & Hause as backups to Konsa & Mings respectively feels ok for a club in our position. Neither are amazing, but posting alongside 3 stronger defenders they'd be fine - you would get relegated with a defence like that IMO.
Absolutely bewildering why you'd play him as 1st choice though. As a 1st choice defender, he's exactly the sort of player you'd expect to have in a relegation battle.
In other words he has done nothing to justify his inclusion in our first team.
Let’s face it, this is one of the decisions that has cost Smith his job.
He has been pretty shit from the start alongside Mings. The point being he has not been on form for some times and Smith gambled with him and the formation.
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
Post by: Monty on November 17, 2021, 10:28:21 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
Did Gerrard bring any Liverpool youth players to Rangers? That would have been pretty logical - players that he knew, who needed first team experience at a lower level, Rangers could have used them, wins all round. If he didn't do that, indicating no particular attachment to players he knows in recruitment (over which he does not have full control at Villa anyway), what are the chances he'll do it at Villa? Bringing in players from a lower level, in positions already crowded with talent? Strikes me as unlikely.
Ryan Kent went there under him but I think that's it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 17, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
Post by: Risso on November 17, 2021, 10:34:37 AM
So far, I think I'm right in saying we've been linked with Rangers' Left Back, Right Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and Striker. Kamara being the main link I think. The media really is so very lazy.
Yes come on lads, where are the links to the central defenders?!
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Did Gerrard bring any Liverpool youth players to Rangers? That would have been pretty logical - players that he knew, who needed first team experience at a lower level, Rangers could have used them, wins all round. If he didn't do that, indicating no particular attachment to players he knows in recruitment (over which he does not have full control at Villa anyway), what are the chances he'll do it at Villa? Bringing in players from a lower level, in positions already crowded with talent? Strikes me as unlikely.
Ryan Kent went there under him but I think that's it.
3-4 others on loan in the first year or so under him.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 17, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
I think the current back 4 would be fine if we had midfielders who can manage the transition from defence better: look at the game at Arse and the times McGinn got caught 35 yds from our goal, facing to our goal and under pressure. Sure, Luiz is good in that situation and maybe Sanson is too; but we need 3 midfielders (with adequate replacements in the squad) to play out as Smith seemed to want us to.Exactly. With limited options to pass to the midfield, the cb’s look to the fullbacks. At least Joe could carry the ball or attract the opposition which left space for Targett. This season they look up, see the opposition and then turn back inside to the cb’s.
The other issue in playing out from the back is that the midfielders need better movement around them, so that the next pass is immediately on: the whole approach requires a pass-and-move mentality. This season we have lacked that.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 17, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 17, 2021, 11:07:51 AM
Scored a nice goal for Scotland the other day and is pretty highly rated. I remember we were linked to Aaron Hickey the other summer and he's playing really well in Serie A for Bologna.
We need better back up at full back areas especially as Targett has lost a bit of confidence again and is putting in mediocre performances (Cash been better but he gets injured and we have to stick a CB there).
Post by: OCD on November 17, 2021, 11:11:22 AM
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 17, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 17, 2021, 11:34:35 AM
Patterson & Barisic are the only 2 I'd consider having from Rangers.
Yeah wouldn't shock me. Barsic is regular for Croatia so experienced and think he can play CB or LB so those low cost signings who can cover a few positions are never bad options when regulars like Targett are bang out of form.
Baffling one would be signing Morelos for 20m +. Would make no sense given we are struggling to get two CFs working effectively and he isn't better than either. Unless Watkins wants to go in January but I'd find that hard to believe.
Post by: darren woolley on November 17, 2021, 12:23:21 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 17, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
Post by: mike on November 17, 2021, 11:26:45 PM
Post by: john e on November 18, 2021, 07:59:08 AM
I’d just like a player who isn’t made of glass for a change.
we even managed to turn Concrete Ron into a massive sponge pudding
Post by: ozzjim on November 18, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 19, 2021, 02:05:29 AM
We need 2 much bigger, stronger, positionally aware midfielders. I suspect McGinn will be used as a narrow 10 longer term, alongside someone like Buendia or Watkins
I too suspect this for McGinn, moving him nearer to the role he has for Scotland. Competition will be fierce for those 2 spots, mind. Hopefully see more of Chuk in the middle then.
Post by: sid1964 on November 19, 2021, 07:06:04 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 08:03:13 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 19, 2021, 10:23:15 AM
Supposedly we are interested in Goldson the Rangers centre backJournalists are going to consistently link us with Rangers players - it's an easy lazy link. I doubt anybody knows if we'll be in for any of them right now, Gerrard probably hasn't even made his mind up himself.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 19, 2021, 10:28:32 AM
That type of signing would be a bit of a worry for me, if there's any truth in it of course.
Post by: Drummond on November 19, 2021, 10:56:30 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 11:04:59 AM
Goldson is very very average, didn't do much at Brighton so would be disappointed in that as he's not really better than Hause with his profile who's mainly a back up CB for us.
That type of signing would be a bit of a worry for me, if there's any truth in it of course.
Had a heart defect at Brighton I think. Dunno. I don't really know enough about him. Is he comfortable on the ball to fit Gerrard's possession ideas? Out of contract in the summer so cheap back-up if he doesn't fancy Tuanzebe or maybe Mings. Local lad too
Post by: algy on November 19, 2021, 11:18:18 AM
I just don't see it happening. Think it's more likely we'll possibly bring in a player or two in January if they seem good value, but mostly go for buying 3-4 players in the £30m-£40m range in the summer. Think Target, Mings, and Nakamba will be highlighted as being players to be moved in to more 'backup' roles.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 19, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
I don't think there's a huge amount in it. It sounds like we've got £100m-£150m to spend over the next couple of transfer windows, and we're being linked with out-of-contract Rangers players who are generally seen as 'alright as a 4th choice centre back'. When we've not shown any interest before, and our transfer policy is at least partially decided by Johan Lange.
I just don't see it happening. Think it's more likely we'll possibly bring in a player or two in January if they seem good value, but mostly go for buying 3-4 players in the £30m-£40m range in the summer. Think Target, Mings, and Nakamba will be highlighted as being players to be moved in to more 'backup' roles.
Yeah that's the worry for me. We need people now especially with the likes of Newcastle looking to improve their squad in January. I read what Lange said, which was basically "May look at transfers blah blah, haven't spoken to Gerrard about it blah blah, working to improve the existing players blah blah". Not inspiring. I just wonder if he hasn't got the clout to get someone in when he's just joined the club, i'd be a bit worried about them backing him when/if the going gets rough.
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
He's pretty big, strong, quick, has a decent range of passing and is happy to carry the ball forward.
Also a regular for Tunisia so shouldn't be a problem with a work permit , he was looking for a move in the summer and getting linked to some good teams but nothing came from it. Think he's been loosely linked to West Ham recently as well.
Post by: ozzjim on November 19, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
Post by: LeeB on November 19, 2021, 12:05:03 PM
I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
Apart from Buendia, Bidace and AEG; you're right!It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
Post by: tomd2103 on November 19, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 19, 2021, 02:45:48 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder. A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.I'm sure it did too.
Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.
We may also be looking for a left back, depending on how Targett gets on in the next 5-6 games in Gerrards system.
Post by: john e on November 19, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder. A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.
Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.
2 Centre halves ( ball plain if possible) to put pressure on Mings and Konsa
i’ll reckon he’ll address this first
Hause needs to be moved on as he is not good enough on the ball to even be a good backup (thanks for the Man United goal and all that)
Axel isn’t even ours so it doesn’t count
Buying a DM unless they are in the class of Rice Philips Kante etc Will make very little difference and you DM Obsessive guys will continue calling for the mythical DM
We’ve already got plenty of mids that can do that job Unless you’re going to spend 100 million on a proper one
Post by: mike on November 19, 2021, 07:35:05 PM
Apart from Buendia, Bidace and AEG; you're right!It is at the moment because none of them are bloody fit.I think Kamara and Kent are the only ones that look likely really. Gerrard isn't stupid, he knows he's in a different world now.Why Kent when wing isn't a problem position at the moment?
One of those is OK but not brilliant and one is still very young and untested. I think having 'Concrete' Traore and Bailey means we need a senior winger who can play a few matches in a row. They appear to me to be a waste of fucking space as, however good they are, they don't actually play actual matches.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
Think the only addition we really need in January is a quality defensive midfielder. A player that can come straight into the side and allow McGinn to play further forward.
Still think the failure to address the central midfield area cost Dean Smith his job.
That and the signing of Ings. We definitely needed a player to compete with watkins but Ings is a replacement sort of signing. Ings is quality player but we now don’t have a clue what our formation is.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 19, 2021, 08:25:12 PM
Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2021, 03:33:07 AM
Buendia will surely play mostly wide in the Gerrard 4-3-3 so that's another consistant wide option to add to the mix now.
Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.
My understanding is that
SG does not play forwards in wide positions.
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 07:35:04 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 20, 2021, 07:39:49 AM
They're inside forwards essentially. He plays like Liverpool.if the wide players play narrow, and the full backs bomb on and provide the width, then we're going to need to be solid in the middle of the park.
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 07:58:19 AM
They're inside forwards essentially. He plays like Liverpool.if the wide players play narrow, and the full backs bomb on and provide the width, then we're going to need to be solid in the middle of the park.
We are, but you do that a few ways. Pressing and constricting the space higher up the pitch is part of that.
Post by: frank black on November 21, 2021, 11:29:34 AM
Unfortunately probably not a realistic target though, as he has said himself he wants to be the best in the world in his position. Pretty sure he will be champions league next season. Oh well, let’s see what January brings.
Post by: OCD on November 21, 2021, 02:14:43 PM
Smash our transfer record and get Bissouma please. Whatever the cost, he’s worth it.
Unfortunately probably not a realistic target though, as he has said himself he wants to be the best in the world in his position. Pretty sure he will be champions league next season. Oh well, let’s see what January brings.
He could be serving time at her majesty's pleasure.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
Post by: OCD on November 21, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
Post by: nigel on November 21, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
Buendia will surely play mostly wide in the Gerrard 4-3-3 so that's another consistant wide option to add to the mix now.
Think Kent will be more likely for the summer if say we move on El Ghazi.
Mentioned in post match thread
I wouldn’t consider getting rid of AEG.
A great squad player.
Maybe not a starter for us, but he’s a player who will influence a game when he comes on.
Will always look for the ball, isn’t afraid to take players on and is certainly a goal threat.
Post by: KevinGage on November 21, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
But should definitely be looking at that sort of player.
Denis Zakaria at Monchengladbach, Mangala at Stuttgart and Emre Can at Dortmund (with the inevitable Liverpool/ SG connection) could all fit the bill.
Kamara at Marseille, Thuram or Lemina at Nice if we were feeling brave enough to raid Ligue 1 again.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 21, 2021, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 21, 2021, 05:11:56 PM
I feel like El Ghazi could thrive under Gerrard, as he seems to play much better in the channel and around the box. More of an inside forward.
Something in that. He perhaps isn’t quick enough to play as a true wide player but i can see him getting more chances than Dean gave him
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2021, 06:00:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 21, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
I always thought Emre Can was a good player.
Yup, but slower than glacial melt these days
Post by: algy on November 21, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Yeah, have to say that I have a gut feeling that AEG will be quite an important player, maybe not as a first choice starter but as an option off the bench. Think the Gerrard-style 4-3-3 will really suit him.I feel like El Ghazi could thrive under Gerrard, as he seems to play much better in the channel and around the box. More of an inside forward.
Something in that. He perhaps isn’t quick enough to play as a true wide player but i can see him getting more chances than Dean gave him
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
I always thought Emre Can was a good player.
Yup, but slower than glacial melt these days
Is he really? Shame, as he seems to have the right attributes that we are looking for. Apart from pace of course!
Post by: LeeB on November 21, 2021, 07:04:28 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 21, 2021, 07:25:05 PM
Post by: Dave on November 21, 2021, 07:44:16 PM
Kamara at Marseille, Thuram or Lemina at Nice if we were feeling brave enough to raid Ligue 1 again.
Wasn't Lemina basically a do-nothing passenger at both Southampton and Fulham?
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2021, 08:14:54 PM
Post by: caster troy on November 21, 2021, 09:34:14 PM
Still linked with Alvarez.
I randomly saw a River Plate game a couple of months ago and he was absolutely brilliant, but unfortunately it seems he’s been so good since the summer he will be looking at champions league level options now. Only hope would be if we’ve already agreed the deal somehow.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2021, 07:54:25 AM
"In summer 2017, Barišić drew attention from Ukrainian club Dynamo Kyiv, and he agreed personal terms with the club. However, at the last minute, Dynamo opted for Dinamo Zagreb's Josip Pivarić. In an interview with Sportske novosti on 11 August, Barišić publicly called out Dinamo for sabotaging the transfer.[8][9] On 22 August, Dinamo Zagreb executive Zdravko Mamić was shot in his native village of Zidine, Bosnia and Herzegovina.[10] The shooting was believed to be an assassination attempt organized by the Čepin Mafia clan, of which Barišić's father Stipe is a member."
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Post by: john e on November 22, 2021, 09:29:07 AM
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms
It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal
Bissouma would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
Post by: sickbeggar on November 22, 2021, 10:58:43 AM
Welcome, here's a 15 year contract on £500K a week, no, thank *you* very much, Mr Barišić sir!
heh
"Mr Gerrard, I vant to play for you at glorious English Club Astonmotiv Villa"
"Sound Bornie, I'm made up, but I've got Mattie T at the moment la"
"Of course, but what if he was to suddenly unexpectedly leave the country without telling anyone, or he got injured. Permanently." *click*
Post by: PeterWithe on November 22, 2021, 11:03:54 AM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms
It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal
Bissouma would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
I guess its that we are in an even weaker position than we were in the summer when trying to get in 'next level' players, then we could try and sell them the vision of European football, now the reality is a bit bleaker.
The scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Yep, that's my view.The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happensThe scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms
It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal
Bissouma would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 22, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
Barisic being linked today. I think that's nearly the entire Rangers side we're after. Also probably best if Purslow doesn't piss off Barisic during contract negotiations :o
Rangers fans slagging him off over the weekend and that Goldson player
Post by: paul_e on November 22, 2021, 01:42:44 PM
The upgrade on the Nakamba needs to be elite if it happens
He is a good player and it’s no point in bringing someone else in thats slightly different but the same level in technical terms
It’s alright looking at players from Rangers they might well be good
But if you put Nakamba into that Rangers team he would be a standout player, One who we might all be saying let’s go get him he looks the real deal
Bissouma would cost massive money but that’s the level we need to be going to for any replacement or upgrade
I guess its that we are in an even weaker position than we were in the summer when trying to get in 'next level' players, then we could try and sell them the vision of European football, now the reality is a bit bleaker.
The scouting team should really be earning their money here, nearly everyone in Europe plays with a defensive midfielder and we havent managed to find one better than Nakamba?
I posted the other day that Skhiri at Koln would be my choice right now, I'd hope our scouts are aware of him at the least because he ticks every box for what we need in midfield.
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2021, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2021, 04:54:37 PM
Our squad has plenty of fringe players and the owners want us to blood youth as much as possible. I wonder if the last few years of transfer window jamborees are over. One bona fide starter every 12 months like the top clubs do (kinda).Thats what it should be although the new manager will want to stamp his personality on the team. So there will be a few comings and goings before next season.
Post by: algy on November 22, 2021, 05:20:28 PM
Our squad has plenty of fringe players and the owners want us to blood youth as much as possible. I wonder if the last few years of transfer window jamborees are over. One bona fide starter every 12 months like the top clubs do (kinda).Yeah, I think so. With FFP you have a finite amount of money to spend in the summer, so it's basically a case of spreading ~£80m across however many players you want to buy. If you're in the game of bringing in 4 or 5 players, they're going to be £20m players, so mainly fringe squad players for where we are now. If you're wantingyour Bissouma, JWP, ESR-type signings then you're going to see 1 of those, maybe 2 if you negotiate well.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 22, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 22, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2021, 07:43:39 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.
Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.
Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on November 22, 2021, 07:51:40 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.
Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.
Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.
I’m still serving my self imposed ban for my last crime against humour so you’ll be relieved to know I won’t be starting or participating in any punathons on this one Dave.
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2021, 08:28:38 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 22, 2021, 08:36:01 PM
Post by: algy on November 22, 2021, 10:01:41 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 22, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 23, 2021, 09:14:26 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:17:57 PM
I don’t give a XXXX who we sign.if carlsberg did puns...
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:20:29 PM
Ill get my coat
Post by: Beard82 on November 23, 2021, 09:26:42 PM
I think we should be going after Che Adnams.
I'll still get my coat
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 23, 2021, 09:50:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 24, 2021, 12:18:39 AM
We need to sign a lager than life character.
My local brewery's fizzy offering is called 'Lager than Life '.
Post by: Drummond on November 24, 2021, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 24, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
Post by: Scamps180 on November 24, 2021, 01:14:24 AM
Post by: tony scott on November 24, 2021, 03:17:57 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2021, 10:49:47 AM
I'd like to buy a player who can use his body parts as effectively as SJM. I'm referring to his hiney y'ken.
Somebody's Heine is crowding my ice-box.
Post by: KevinGage on November 24, 2021, 10:53:48 AM
Which the Beeb have linked to, for some reason.
Seeing as he's injured I'm not sure how SG would come to such a decision already.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 24, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 24, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
If we buy then it has to be a better than we currently have in first team . We have enough benchers and youth team players ready in waiting.
Get on the march up the league and the momentum and Gerrards persona could land us a Stella player which I think is what we need.
Oh dear. I've got an idea what's coming.
Forgive me.
Maybe as Brighton was so toothless a swap = Ings for Bissouma?
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 24, 2021, 03:19:32 PM
In fact, a case of buys Ansells.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 24, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 25, 2021, 07:03:57 AM
I did like the links to Pau Torres. That's the standard upgrade we should be aiming at.
Post by: darren woolley on November 25, 2021, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: Dave P on November 25, 2021, 11:54:05 AM
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2021, 07:13:51 AM
He turned down Spurs as he wants Champions League football. If he comes to us then the Gerrard pull is real!Rashica supposedly felt the same...
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 26, 2021, 09:52:03 AM
He turned down Spurs as he wants Champions League football. If he comes to us then the Gerrard pull is real!Rashica supposedly felt the same...
I know he is ion a shit side but so glad we did not pursue Rashica as i feel he would of been a spectacular dud
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 26, 2021, 01:21:40 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 28, 2021, 11:53:30 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
So "one or two faces" coming in? Hopefully not Joe Gomez though. I'm quite fascinated finding out who Mr Gerrard rates or not because I haven't a clue currently.
Gomez is a good player but makes Sanson look like Iron Man.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2021, 08:39:14 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2021, 12:01:38 AM
I wonder if we might send a young player or two on loan to Rangers as a sort of sweetner. You'd think likes of Carney and JPB could really kick on if we loaned them there for six months.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 29, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)
I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 29, 2021, 09:27:23 AM
Exactly. Cracking player, but just terrible luck with injuries.really? Cracking player, not from what I have seen.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 29, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
Could be better than mings though. I think gomez would be a excellent signing. Cant see it though.
Wouldnt be suprised if we tried to prize some loverpool youth players
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
Gomez isnt injury prone. Just jad a bad injury. He is certainly better than hause and tuanzebe.
Could be better than mings though. I think gomez would be a excellent signing. Cant see it though.
Wouldnt be suprised if we tried to prize some loverpool youth players
My guess would be Liverpool trying to loan some of ours.
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2021, 11:12:32 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational
Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)
I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan
I hope Sanson gets a run sooner or later, maybe it will be Jan. Waste of time and money if we just let him slink out the door to Rennes or whoever in a cut-price deal.
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational
Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)
I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan
I hope not, I don't think he's an upgrade at all, we need to be signing players that would look like good signings for clubs like tottenham, leicester, etc and none of them would be interested in Kamara who is a signing for clubs in the position we're trying to move on from.
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 11:59:15 AM
Glen Kamara seems obvious link/rational
Nakamba looks like hes got a mega part to play in this new setup, so him leaving to Afcon all Jan is a hole we will address (would have anyway)
I think we may see 2/3 come in Jan
I hope Sanson gets a run sooner or later, maybe it will be Jan. Waste of time and money if we just let him slink out the door to Rennes or whoever in a cut-price deal.
And then watch as he finds his form and suddenly becomes Europe's hottest property, moving to Milan for about £40m.
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 29, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
I'm not sure about Gomez, a couple of Liverpool fans I know don't rate him much at all unless he has Van Dijk beside him.
yes i have never thought he was all that
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2021, 12:05:20 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 29, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 29, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
Post by: enigma on November 29, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on November 29, 2021, 05:49:59 PM
Post by: Astnor on November 29, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2021, 07:20:08 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insidernot the worst news.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 29, 2021, 07:30:24 PM
Trez needs a loan to get match fit
Traore I’m undecided on, if we got £20m then I would let him go
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2021, 07:35:25 PM
I would keep AEG, good squad player.
Trez needs a loan to get match fit
Traore I’m undecided on, if we got £20m then I would let him go
Traore is going to need to work hard on the "off the ball" side to get a look in I think. Trez will get a chance through sheer hard work and could a useful option when a bit of grit is required, and I don't think they let El Ghazi go, he's good as an impact sub.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 29, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
Trez and AEG both have 18 months left now on their deals so pretty vulnerable and right time to cash in on both I think although Trez probably will leave in summer as got to prove his fitness again, can be useful off the bench when he gets back.
Post by: john2710 on November 29, 2021, 08:27:27 PM
We’ve got no cover at left back & nobody you’d consider good enough to be the starting defensive midfielder.
These would be the positions where we’re likely to see any movement in or out. We also need to create space for the likes of Aaron Ramsey.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 29, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
Football insider do not base anything on facts. It's guesswork.El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Post by: Steve67 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Football insider do not base anything on facts. It's guesswork.El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
It comes from the words of ex-players. This week, it's Kevin Phillips. Next week it will be the ever so clued up Noel Whelan. You're absolutely correct though, it is absolute bollocks and I am a bit surprised that the BBC use it for their gossip page.
Post by: nigel on November 29, 2021, 09:36:01 PM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insider
I do not believe any of this is based on facts.
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story!
Post by: Ads on November 29, 2021, 11:20:17 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2021, 12:07:41 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insidernot the worst news.
Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 30, 2021, 08:38:47 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insidernot the worst news.
Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?
They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.
I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.
Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently also need a rb to challenge cash
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2021, 09:07:01 AM
El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insidernot the worst news.
Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?
They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.
I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.
Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently also need a rb to challenge cash
If Hause is willing to stay and be a back up option, then I would look at keeping him. He's fine as a squad option for where we will be over the next couple of seasons.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 30, 2021, 09:40:06 AM
It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Post by: darren woolley on November 30, 2021, 09:59:57 AM
Post by: algy on November 30, 2021, 10:46:35 AM
I'm of a similar mind. I can't see us trying to replace both Tuanzebe and Hause in the summer. Think one will go, one will stay. It's not cut & dried as to which one, because if we opt for Hause then that pretty much means extending his contract so it may not work out that much cheaper than buying Axel. Think it'll come down to a few factors...El Ghazi, Traore and Trez allowed to leave in January according to Football Insidernot the worst news.
Traore and Trezeguet will be at the African Cup of Nations in the New Year won't they?
They will as will be nakamba. None of them will be leaving until summer at the earliest i would imagine.
I think we need a dm and a left back in jan.
Then in summer look at a top cb let hause go. I dont think we will sign tuanzebe permanently also need a rb to challenge cash
If Hause is willing to stay and be a back up option, then I would look at keeping him. He's fine as a squad option for where we will be over the next couple of seasons.
If Tuanzebe is available for the right price (thinking probably <£5m) then that's a big plus in his favour, since we can recoup most/all of that with the money we'll get from selling Hause. And IMO Tuanzebe is probably the marginally better of the two, although not to the extent where it's an obvious choice.
It also depends on who's available. If there's an obvious candidate for left-sided centre back, but not for right-sided then that'd also push things in strongly in favour of keeping Axel. Likewise, the other way round would push it very much towards retaining Hause.
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that. I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.
It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.
Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
Who knows on Axel. Have to see how often he plays next six months.
Obviously need more than two good CBs to serious challenge top 6.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 30, 2021, 11:21:03 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 30, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that. I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.
It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.
Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.
I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 11:35:59 AM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that. I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.
It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.
Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.
I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.
Hence I put don't discount him rather than outright saying he's the competition, it will clearly depend on whether he wants to come back.
Post by: Mister E on November 30, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2021, 12:53:31 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
I think Kessler will be the right back to challenge Cash and I'd be happy with that. I'd be dissapointed if we let Traore go, I love watching him and think he will contribute when fit.
It's a DM and a left back for me, although Nakamba and Targett look rejuvinated we still need the depth.
Don't discount Guilbert either, he's currently the best right back in france and playing well enough to be exactly the sort of player you'd target to add squad depth/competition. I have no idea why him and Smith fell out but the 'new broom' effect hould see him at least get a chance.
Otherwise, if Hause is happy to stay I'd keep him, he's not good enough to be a starter for a top half team but if he's ok with the role he has he's never really let us down when we've needed him.
I can't see Guilbert wanting to go through it again.
Hence I put don't discount him rather than outright saying he's the competition, it will clearly depend on whether he wants to come back.
Who knows if we'll recall him in Jan. In the summer he'll have just one year left on his deal so will surely want to go back to France and given he's doing o.k again there you'd think someone could sign him for 3-4m.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2021, 07:31:27 PM
Kessler-Hayden and Bogarde might well be in contention for defensive roles next season ...
Kesler is still very young. Good he's doing well at Swindon but would personally like to see him getting top end league 1 loan/bottom half championship loan next season.
If people think these young guys are properly ready to be in first team squad at this level they should be ready to play for a Sunderland or Cardiff imo.
Case of Louie Barry sometimes shows it can be complicated for a promising young player. Loads of us wanted to see him getting some prem minutes last season after the Liverpool goal but barely played at all for Ipswich so far.
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2021, 12:11:56 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2021, 07:34:52 AM
Barry - the loan move hasbeen a disaster. But archer didnt do very well on loan and look how impressive he looks
Post by: sickbeggar on December 01, 2021, 07:37:38 AM
Kessler-Hayden and Bogarde might well be in contention for defensive roles next season ...
Kesler is still very young. Good he's doing well at Swindon but would personally like to see him getting top end league 1 loan/bottom half championship loan next season.
If people think these young guys are properly ready to be in first team squad at this level they should be ready to play for a Sunderland or Cardiff imo.
Case of Louie Barry sometimes shows it can be complicated for a promising young player. Loads of us wanted to see him getting some prem minutes last season after the Liverpool goal but barely played at all for Ipswich so far.
I think its the whole experience rather than how they do that matters imo. Playing with guys who will never go for massive amounts of money and need to do well to get that next contract for their livelihood must be an eye-opener in terms of a reality check so I reckon the Ipswich move will benefit Barry long term. Also If you hit a rough patch of form or can't get in the team on loan then to a certain extent you can learn from it and "reset" your confidence when you return. We've seen it with kids before here where they break into the first team as the next "big thing" and then plateau and fade and part of that must be that it's easier to come back from gifting a goal to Rotherham than buggering up at Villa Park with it being shown on MOTD that evening. If the likes of Albrighton had gone on loan and had a hard time of it on loan when he was younger then maybe he wouldn't have needed a complete "reset" at Leicester to find his feet.
Post by: algy on December 01, 2021, 07:41:12 AM
Just think multiple things have gone against Freddy. He'd have looked class in the Championship, which mightve helped him settle in better. Then he's come in to the team along with a dozen other new players so there's maybe been less time/resources to have someone put an arm round his shoulder. COVID has no doubt made life living in another country more difficult, especially if things aren't going your way to begin with. Ligue 1 has crashed financially so he can't even get a permanent move back to France.
He'll be off either this summer or next depending on whether or not we can find a buyer. Don't expect him to feature for us, though. Cheap punt that might've paid off in different circumstances.
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2021, 07:46:07 AM
Guilbert is currently the best right-back in Ligue 1...really? Last time I checked he seemed to be marking time there, often a sub or being subbed.
He's played all 90 minutes of their last 7 games according to Soccerbase.
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2021, 10:04:24 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2021, 10:09:06 AM
I still think Cash needs specialist competition on the right, he's the only one without a direct replacement at the moment and he's not good enough to assume he's an automatic pick.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 01, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 01, 2021, 01:19:20 PM
I can't see Guilbert wanting to come back so we'll need to cash in in the summer.
SG has said everyone has a clean slate - so why not. A decent Villa team in the prem is better than anything in Ligue 1
Post by: chrisw1 on December 01, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
Well for a start Cash will almost certainly be first choice, at least at first. So he's not going to extend his contract when gametime may still be limited. And for us, we're better off taking c£5m now than nothing in a year.I can't see Guilbert wanting to come back so we'll need to cash in in the summer.
SG has said everyone has a clean slate - so why not. A decent Villa team in the prem is better than anything in Ligue 1
Post by: SteveN on December 03, 2021, 12:04:47 PM
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
For me we need a creative player in Jan, that can slot into the narrow 10 role, and a midfielder that is a step up in what we have in the centre. Not sure they will be available in Jan, but they are what we need. Players that can see a pass and help us retain the ball better in tight situations.
Post by: john e on December 03, 2021, 06:29:17 PM
I’m sorry but I know we all love Mings and Konsa but if Gerard wants to play out from the back as good as defenders as they are he’s not going to be doing it with that pairing
Post by: Beard82 on December 03, 2021, 06:34:40 PM
He's a bit of a sicknote though Tierney. Quality when fit, but not reliably healthy.I think we could do with someone to be 1 of these 2 "10" gerrard plays - we could do with that particularly seeming that Bert and Bailey are taking this season off.
For me we need a creative player in Jan, that can slot into the narrow 10 role, and a midfielder that is a step up in what we have in the centre. Not sure they will be available in Jan, but they are what we need. Players that can see a pass and help us retain the ball better in tight situations.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 03, 2021, 07:46:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 03, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
Can't imagine Gerrard would look at Tierney with his system at Rangers. Even when he's fit he doesn't provide assists or scores very often.
Really? He's always flying down the left for Arsenal and getting crosses in. With all the midfielders tucked inside we need full backs who can get up and down so Cash can do it pretty well on one side, less so Targett.
Think we'll look abroad for a LB.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 06:51:56 PM
Can't imagine Gerrard would look at Tierney with his system at Rangers. Even when he's fit he doesn't provide assists or scores very often.
Really? He's always flying down the left for Arsenal and getting crosses in. With all the midfielders tucked inside we need full backs who can get up and down so Cash can do it pretty well on one side, less so Targett.
Think we'll look abroad for a LB.
According to the stats I've seen
Tierney 21/22 No goals no assists Targett 1 goal 1 assist
20/21 1 goal 4 assists 0 goal 4 assists
19/20 1 goal 2 assists 1 goal 3 assists
Doesn't seem a massive improvement on Targett
Post by: fredm on December 05, 2021, 08:17:15 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 11, 2021, 11:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1469549693994680322?s=20
Post by: richtheholtender on December 11, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
Barca want Alvarez. I wonder how true the rumors of our interest were.
https://twitter.com/RoyNemer/status/1469549693994680322?s=20
It will come out in a couple of years that everything was agreed it just didn't go through at the last minute. Something to that effect.
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2021, 12:58:38 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 11, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
Have Barcelona got money to spend? I thought they were skint.
Worse than skint, 1.4bn€ in debt.
Post by: Steve67 on December 11, 2021, 04:58:52 PM
Post by: steamer on December 11, 2021, 07:06:23 PM
seems there is a plan
skilful ,hard working plyers in his mould will suit me fine.
Post by: Beard82 on December 11, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
I still think we need a tidy defensive midfielder. It isn't Nakamba or Luiz for me. In fact, if we can keep Sanson fit, I reckon Luiz will spend some time on the bench.I think we need some players that can keep the ball better - too few of our players can
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2021, 07:20:53 PM
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?
Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
Post by: Steve67 on December 11, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
Post by: Beard82 on December 11, 2021, 07:27:34 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.Yes, I think this is true. Its a good squad - but for most of the players this is going to be their peak. I guess its hard to know with the summer signings.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?
Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
I guess that's the tricky bit, there all good players but a lot of players need to find another level if we're not to leave them behind. The positive is the vast majority are a lot better then when they came here so we've done something right
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2021, 07:35:54 PM
We are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?
Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
Martinez and Konsa could play for any of the 'Big 3'. Think we will struggle to hold onto them next summer. Konsa stood up a 3 v 1 late on today including forcing Salah to turn back for a finish...he's one of the best centre backs in the division. Martinez is a better keeper than Allison for example. McGinn and Watkins aren't at that level of consistency for me.
Lots of mid table standard players in our squad and we look a mid table team as a result.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2021, 07:48:29 PM
agree and with your point above, better players keep the ball betterWe are a bunch of PL mid-table level players.Yes, I think this is true. Its a good squad - but for most of the players this is going to be their peak. I guess its hard to know with the summer signings.
Lots of 5 or 6 out of 10.
Honestly how many are at the next level?
SJM Martinez Ollie Konsa ?
Which for me means we have lots of positions to improve to have an impact on this league.
I guess that's the tricky bit, there all good players but a lot of players need to find another level if we're not to leave them behind. The positive is the vast majority are a lot better then when they came here so we've done something right
We are stuck in that pack of 8 teams chasing the 4 and there really isn’t that much that separates them.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 11, 2021, 09:27:07 PM
That Weston McKennie we were linked with looks a more than decent player.
Unfortunately I've just looked on Soccerbase and he appears to have played every match for them this season, so that's the end of that.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 12, 2021, 04:04:28 AM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.
Is it worth watching? I've seen most of these but I haven't been able to stomach watching Juve yet .
Post by: exigo on December 12, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.
That Weston McKennie we were linked with looks a more than decent player.
Unfortunately I've just looked on Soccerbase and he appears to have played every match for them this season, so that's the end of that.
Up for sale according to today's BBC rumours, via Gazzetta della Sport.
Il linky Italiano (https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Juventus/11-12-2021/calciomercato-juve-non-solo-ramsey-possibili-cessioni-gennaio-430388594188_preview.shtml?reason=unauthenticated&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazzetta.it%2FCalcio%2FSerie-A%2FJuventus%2F11-12-2021%2Fcalciomercato-juve-non-solo-ramsey-possibili-cessioni-gennaio-430388594188.shtml)
Post by: ozzjim on December 12, 2021, 12:04:52 PM
Post by: KRS on December 13, 2021, 04:52:04 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 13, 2021, 06:22:22 AM
Conor Gallagher. On loan at Palace from Chelski, and is developing into a really good player. Think he’d improve even more under Gerrard. Go get him.
I like the look of him. Chelsea will want big mkney for him i think
Post by: sid1964 on December 13, 2021, 06:33:56 AM
Post by: ozzjim on December 13, 2021, 07:28:01 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
Conor Gallagher. On loan at Palace from Chelski, and is developing into a really good player. Think he’d improve even more under Gerrard. Go get him.
The chances of us signing Gallagher are between Slim and None.
And slim left town.
Post by: frank black on December 13, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2021, 11:07:33 AM
Post by: TonyD on December 13, 2021, 11:25:47 AM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?Very good
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?Mason will have a mount-ain to climb if Gallagher returns.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 12:21:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2021, 12:46:52 PM
I've been watching that Amazon All Or Nothing, the one on Juventus.
Is it worth watching? I've seen most of these but I haven't been able to stomach watching Juve yet .
Yeah it's watchable (and i too find them hard to stomach as a club).
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
Will he usurp Mount or just dis-mount him ?Mason will have a mount-ain to climb if Gallagher returns.
At his peak that could be hard.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 13, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 13, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Post by: chrisw1 on December 13, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
Post by: john e on December 13, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
You know it makes sense and they’ll be easy transfers to complete, if we bring them in early enough we could go for a big marquee signing later in the month
Post by: sickbeggar on December 13, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Now Marv has gone down with a knee injury it's going to highlight how short we are at DM. Still the No1 priority for me, even with his recent form.
yep
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2021, 07:49:19 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 14, 2021, 08:06:50 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 14, 2021, 03:08:28 PM
Davis could be going to Forest apparently. Good move all round if that happens I reckon.
If he was never going to make it i would really hope it was through simply not being good enough rather than blighted by injury. I hope wherever he goes (a stint north of the border Celtic / Rangers would be a good shout) he gets a chance to put a good few games together
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2021, 12:34:29 AM
Kieran Trippier. Would you? Should we?
In my opinion no. He's 31, and I don't think he's an overall upgrade on Cash, although his delivery is better. He'd be a very expensive (in wages) back up. Off to Newcastle anyway isn't he?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 16, 2021, 01:07:59 AM
Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.
Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)
Ha! The thought of playing for Gerrard might be appealing to young players who grew up admiring him, particularly those who play in midfield. Might just give us an advantage we might not otherwise have if we went for the likes of Ward-Prowse or even Phillips from Leeds.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 16, 2021, 01:49:25 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on December 16, 2021, 01:52:47 AM
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
OK, I'll take the bait.
Older posters may remember that when Terry Venables told Gazza he would pull him off at half time, he replied that he only got an orange at Newcastle.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2021, 05:35:03 AM
Certainly true when Mr Gerrard pulled Nakamba off at Anfiled.Well, that's one way of encouraging players to sign, I suppose ;)Yep file that under the same category as the suggestion we should go for Bellingham.Only hope would be the Steven Gerrard 'pull' I suppose.
OK, I'll take the bait.
Older posters may remember that when Terry Venables told Gazza he would pull him off at half time, he replied that he only got an orange at Newcastle.
That was Rodney Marsh to Alf Ramsey (replace Newcastle with QPR)
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2021, 05:59:38 AM
Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.
Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2021, 07:25:26 AM
Kieran Trippier. Would you? Should we?
In my opinion no. He's 31, and I don't think he's an overall upgrade on Cash, although his delivery is better. He'd be a very expensive (in wages) back up. Off to Newcastle anyway isn't he?
I thought for left back.
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2021, 07:32:19 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 09:48:44 AM
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds. Not many players can carry that off.Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.
Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.
I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good.
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 11:27:32 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 16, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds. Not many players can carry that off.Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.
Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.
I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good.
I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
Post by: eamonn on December 16, 2021, 11:32:55 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 16, 2021, 11:34:51 AM
Boubacar Kamara man. Young, DM, Comedy first name, out of contract.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege)
Apparently ManU want him now. Doh! If the club had listened to me a month ago >:(
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
Well put it this way, I think he would be perfectly suited to playing the Fabihno or Henderson / Thiago roles at Liverpool and in due course he probably will.Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds. Not many players can carry that off.Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.
Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.
I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good.
I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
Post by: algy on December 16, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
I'd have Phillips, but it'd have to be at the right price. If Leeds end up getting relegated I'd be in like a shot for him, likewise if he was getting close to the end of his contract ... but I'm not sure I'd shell out the amount Leeds would inevitably want for him right now.Philips is a superb player, absolutely fucking brilliant in the quarter back role he plays for Leeds. Not many players can carry that off.Phillips would be a massive addition to our midfield. For me as much as I like Doug, Phillips is better. However it would add a man bun to the squad. Not sure how I feel about that.
Phillips is not that much better than luiz in my opinion. I think luiz has the potential to be better.
Phillips is a good player bit the money leeds woild ask no thanks. They would want 60m+
Unfortunately if he leaves them it won't be to us.
I remember when a few people on here were convinced Declan Rice wasn't very good.
I don't quite agree, Phillips is a good player but he's another of the crop that almost forces you to play a 3 because you need a defensive destroyer next to him to avoid him being exposed. This season Leeds haven't had that balance and it's meant they've been very easy to play through in midfield (which is why they're 16th with the 3rd worst defence in the league).
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 16, 2021, 01:38:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2021, 01:43:22 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 02:01:13 PM
I'm not all that sold on Phillips, and he'd cost too much for what he'd bring.He's not coming anyway so you can all breathe a sigh of relief.
Post by: mike on December 16, 2021, 03:13:29 PM
I'm not all that sold on Phillips, and he'd cost too much for what he'd bring.He's not coming anyway so you can all breathe a sigh of relief.
He’s a lifelong Leeds fan and it’s his city, he even stayed with them in the Championship so there’s no way he’ll rat on them….
Post by: London Villan on December 16, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 16, 2021, 03:38:29 PM
Marv can do the job and was improving (though not to the level of the names mentioned above), but with him absent I can see us going into the market in January for one. The question is though, how big will be willing to go?
I do wonder if we'll look at Kamara from Rangers (lots of media links) - Gerrard really rated him in his time there, he plays the position how he likes it played, but I don't know much about him as a player (and I wonder if at 25 he would have gone elsewhere already if he was good enough?).
But beyond that, I'm not sure who would be available in January?
Longer-term, do we have any academy players of that mould? It seems all the focus (understandably) has been on the attacking talent coming through but is there anyone in the youth/U23s that could be our own Phillips or Rice?
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Post by: DennisHodgetts on December 16, 2021, 04:23:44 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 16, 2021, 04:25:59 PM
We missed our chance to get Phillips when we were in for him when we got promoted but couldn't afford the £30m Leeds were asking. Paid the cost there of having to perform major surgery on the squad. Need to find the next ones now.
We could, but he wanted to give Leedzzz one more season.
Local lad, can't blame him really.
Like Smith Rowe, I don't think we'd have been bidding if there was zero interest in making the move.
But like Smith Rowe, it undoubtably strengthened his bargaining position when it came to a new contract.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 16, 2021, 04:59:52 PM
Raikhy too could do a job. Currently on loan at Stockport
Anybody know how he's getting on? I've liked the look of him in the little I've seen. He has a presence about him.
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2021, 05:25:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 16, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 16, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
We've really got to stop looking at kids or stop gaps in January if we're gonna get anywhere. We've had a good run where we've only lost to 2 of the 3 best teams in the league. We're 7 points off 4th so there's a window of opportunity at the moment for Europe and you improve when you're doing well, not when your desperate or we pick up another injury. We need to get a quality midfielder in January asap.
I don't think there will be much of a market with the outbreak around, teams will keep hold of what they've got in case they're needed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 16, 2021, 06:16:17 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2021, 11:00:45 PM
In my view if Bissouma is cleared from the assault issue we should just go all out to get him, 40m, 50m whatever it takes. He's an outstanding player. I suspect he'll end up at a top 4 club, but it's worth a punt.Let’s see if Mendy gets off as well.
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2021, 09:34:09 AM
Post by: john e on December 17, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23
( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23
( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)
You'll probably see that on the BBC gossip section tomorrow, quoted from Football Insider with thoughts from Kevin Phillips on the matter.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 17, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23
( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)
Genuine LOL
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:12:32 AM
Post by: Richard E on December 17, 2021, 10:16:28 AM
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
What about Buusi Algijah from the Bulgarian league
always looks a strong DM whenever I’ve seen him, could do a job and only 23
( yeah I’ve just made him up to try and join in)
You'll probably see that on the BBC gossip section tomorrow, quoted from Football Insider with thoughts from Kevin Phillips on the matter.
Then repeated on the Birmingham Mail page with something like "Aston Villa fan makes extraordinary claim!"
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2021, 12:00:04 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.
Post by: LeeB on December 17, 2021, 12:06:49 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.
I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know
Post by: john e on December 17, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.
I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know
Oh I thought that was another one we were making up
Had to check on Google
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 17, 2021, 01:01:58 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Too much potential for spelling his name incorrectly especially with Carny around, not for me.
Post by: Matt C on December 18, 2021, 02:19:41 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 18, 2021, 08:19:02 AM
Said a coupl of times already but Ellyes Skhiri for me, pretty quick, strong, does all the defensive stuff well but is decent with the ball at his feet, passes well and has a decent shot on him. Supposedly available in January for £10-12m and being looked at by a few English clubs. Wouldn't be available during afcon unfortunately but would still be a good signing.
I’m very shallow about this kind of thing when it comes to baby mothers but it’s not something I’m bothered about in CDMs.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 18, 2021, 09:09:23 AM
I can hear the chant now "There's only no Buusi Algijah."
Was completely unbelievable.
If he was Bulgarian, his name would be Algijahkov
Post by: AGRIPPA on December 18, 2021, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 18, 2021, 04:59:43 PM
Konsa is ace. I like Mings, but he usually has a cock up in him each game. Do think Konsa needs a big CB next to him though.
Post by: Drummond on December 19, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Post by: john e on December 19, 2021, 12:02:47 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Who does he play for mate
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
By Maurélien isn't it?
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 19, 2021, 12:59:15 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Who does he play for mate
Lokomotiv Plovdiv
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
I think the correct address Is pardon me sir, who does he play for mate.Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Who does he play for mate
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 19, 2021, 09:36:39 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Who does he play for mate
Lokomotiv Plovdiv
I've been to Plovdiv, was quite nice
Post by: Big Ming on December 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Think he can play as a central defender, full back or defensive mid?
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 20, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Gomez is an interesting one.I wonder why Klopp would be ok with losing him
Think he can play as a central defender, full back or defensive mid?
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 11:37:24 AM
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Post by: ozzjim on December 20, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
What exactly were Gerrad's quotes about new fullbacks ?
"Listen! Both full backs are ace but we need cover la".
Post by: Baldy on December 20, 2021, 01:03:43 PM
We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.
Villa til I die. My arse.
Post by: Richard E on December 20, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
Put a 50 million quid bid in for Jack Grealish.
We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.
Villa til I die. My arse.
No. The days when we pay way over the odds for has beens are over.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 20, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
Chattanooga Tchou Tchou?
Bless you ,
Post by: TonyD on December 20, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
Those that can cross a ball.
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 01:41:36 PM
Put a 50 million quid bid in for Jack Grealish.
We won't get him but it would send out a lot of messages.
Villa til I die. My arse.
Citeh need a centre-forward. £30m + Danny Ings, Jack can come home, mumble an apology and crack on.
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 01:44:39 PM
Post by: ozzjim on December 20, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
I think long term players like Jack who can help us keep the ball in pressured situations are a must.
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 02:11:28 PM
"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.
“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.
"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."
Post by: Baldy on December 20, 2021, 02:26:40 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ZXVYy3s/grealish.webp) (https://ibb.co/ZXVYy3s)
Jack seems more focused on Christmas TV adverts!!
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 20, 2021, 02:30:20 PM
On Grealish, Pep was asked why Grealish wasn't in his team yesterday and he made a few interesting comments.
"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.
“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.
"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."
Oh dear what a shame....never mind
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ZXVYy3s/grealish.webp) (https://ibb.co/ZXVYy3s)
Jack seems more focused on Christmas TV adverts!!
Oh won’t you stay [on the bench] another day.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2021, 03:46:19 PM
On Grealish, Pep was asked why Grealish wasn't in his team yesterday and he made a few interesting comments.
"Not rotation, no. I decided for this team because they deserved to play today, these guys and not the other ones.
“At Christmas time I pay a lot of attention to behaviour on and off the pitch. And when off the pitch is not proper they are not going to play.
"So we have to be focussed all the time because of distractions at Christmas time and everything that happens - you have to still be focussed."
He's blowing it. It's all gone to his head.
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2021, 03:54:40 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2021, 04:02:23 PM
I think it will. Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way. I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2021, 04:25:12 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on December 20, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2021, 05:30:19 PM
He will be a success because he'll piggy back off others. He won't play much and when he does it will be against lower ranked teams to keep the better players fresh for the big games. We all knew this.No we didn't. I think you're wrong and I suspect plenty of others, including Pep, do as well.
Post by: john e on December 20, 2021, 06:20:19 PM
I mean I’d have him back tomorrow but I Suspect Gerrard wouldn’t touch him with a very large rusty pole
Post by: Mister E on December 20, 2021, 06:24:30 PM
The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.I think it will. Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way. I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2021, 06:51:54 PM
Easy for Guardiola to be laying down markers for games against likes of Newcastle with his squad. If the indiscretions were that bad, neither of them would have been on the bench. Still, both players have plenty of previous and Grealish particularly needs to wise up.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2021, 06:58:10 PM
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 07:42:11 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all. He will ruin Jack.He dwells on the ball too much. Terrible shame for him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 20, 2021, 07:53:47 PM
He'll end up at Everton or somewhere rotten, doing a Delph.
When was it he said he wants to return one day to play again for the Villa? This week he wants to go and play in the MSL. He and his father had already talked about it, said he follows the league, spoke about Carl Gil being voted Player of the Season but couldn't name which team he plays for. I think he just wants to be loved and will say anything to please people.
Post by: richtheholtender on December 20, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2021, 08:09:55 PM
I dread the day when he scores against us and those that clapped will stand there and do so again. Why you'd clap and encourage any opposition player is beyond me but each to their own.
We never had this problem with the other players who left so why do we have so many telling us we should get over it and all the rest?
Post by: Dave P on December 20, 2021, 08:21:23 PM
Post by: trinityoap on December 20, 2021, 08:39:53 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on December 20, 2021, 08:43:02 PM
But Ian Taylor was a proper Villa legend.Sorry ,not was ,IS.Absolutely, will always be my hero.
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 08:43:40 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2021, 08:55:19 PM
Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.
Guardiola doesn't seem to have many favourites. Sterling is left out regularly. It may be injury related but De Bruyne likewise. Great to have the luxury of keeping players like that guessing.
Grealish will still end up with a decent G&A tally and a league medal won by about March time. It does take getting used to watching him stuck on the left wing effectively as a decoy for Cancelo. But he's too good a player not to make it work.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 08:56:13 PM
I think the only time I've ever stood and applauded a goal against us was a Matt Jansen worldy for Crystal Palace against us but we were 3-0 up at the time.I never stood and clapped but I did clap when Ashley Cole scored a volley in front of the Holte end. He was world class that day.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 08:57:02 PM
I think the only time I've ever stood and applauded a goal against us was a Matt Jansen worldy for Crystal Palace against us but we were 3-0 up at the time.I remember that goal. In front of the north stand. Palace wore yellow. Was quality.
Post by: OCD on December 20, 2021, 09:02:31 PM
Post by: mike on December 20, 2021, 09:04:12 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 20, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Post by: Beard82 on December 20, 2021, 09:12:46 PM
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2021, 10:22:24 PM
Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco.
fucking brilliant player but, I suspect, he'd be looking for a CL team for his next move so maybe a bit too much of a stretch.
I know mate, but it doesn't hurt to dream, and Leicester managed to get Tielemans off them so you never know
Think he was mostly sitting in their reserves at the time though.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 20, 2021, 10:29:05 PM
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 21, 2021, 02:37:37 AM
The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.I think it will. Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way. I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Yep, this is quite common for Pep's additions. As a player you are no longer an individual in a collective, but a cog in a machine. It takes getting used to.
Post by: mike on December 21, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Yes. As I recall it, he just missed out on a World Cup place and went on holiday to Greece. He had an accident on a moped not wearing a helmet and got an injury he never really recovered from.
Post by: algy on December 21, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
Yeah, think there's a lot to be said for that.The commentators were talking about this in the Citeh-Jawdie game in respect of Cancelo - saying that it took 12-15 months for the Pep-effect to take root and that Cancelo is now a far better player than when they first bought him.I think it will. Loads of players seem to take 12 months to get up to speed playing the Pep way. I think next season he'll be one of their better players alongside the likes of Mahrez and Foden.Nah, I think eventually he will be a success, he's too good not to be. But it will be very much as AN-other Citeh player as opposed to a the main man/superstar elsewhere.I also think he'll be a success, but I suspect it won't be under Pep.
Yep, this is quite common for Pep's additions. As a player you are no longer an individual in a collective, but a cog in a machine. It takes getting used to.
One thing that strikes me about Jack is that whilst he was at Villa, his actions were somewhat insulated. First, he was with lifelong friends & family; everyone at the club knew him from when he was a scamp; and maybe as importantly it was Villa he was at.
We all (well, most of us) remember when The Greatest Defender In The Whole Wide World played for the Villa. We all knew he was fond of a pint of Guinness, but it didn't matter because whatever his weaknesses - he was the best any of us had ever, or most likely will ever, see. In the collective consciousness of the club, we all know what you 'win' if you tame the wildest of wild horses.
Now sure, we're not the only club to have ever had a talented-but-flawed player - Gazza springs to mind instantly. But the overwhelming majority haven't, and for the most part they've happened in the long & distant past. The only reason really Paul McGrath isn't so much "the long & distant past" is because ourselves & the RoI fans still sing about him on a semi-regular basis - so people are aware of him, even if they've never seen him play in real life.
He won't get that at Man City, and especially not with their current manager. Think he's in for a difficult few seasons.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 21, 2021, 11:12:06 AM
I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.
His then girlfriend shared a house at university with my wife. Only met him once briefly but a nice lad, and a fantastic player.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 21, 2021, 11:35:52 AM
Didnt he nearly die in an accident?I used to work with Matt Jansen's dad.was a talented player. Didn’t have much luck with injuries
Yes. As I recall it, he just missed out on a World Cup place and went on holiday to Greece. He had an accident on a moped not wearing a helmet and got an injury he never really recovered from.
was in Rome and always thought he was a great player , such a shame he never properly recovered . We all take these risks in younger life ( no helmet bombing round busy Rome), now I have reached my age I even think twice before I go on a rollercoaster .
Post by: nigel on December 21, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
I don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all. He will ruin Jack.
See Benteke and Liverpool
Both badly advised
Post by: Beard82 on December 21, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
Exactly - he needs to become a different player. Some people say pep makes players better - and he probably does with some, but he certainly trying to make Grealish something different. I think hes a poor fit - but like you said it was down to Jack. So far he hasnt delivered on or off the pitch. There generational talent is Foden - and Grealish wont be thanked if he encourages Foden to be more like him off the pitchI don’t think his style of play suits Pep at all. He will ruin Jack.
I don’t think it’s a case of Pep ruining anything with Jack Grealish. Jack knew who he was joining and what he was getting himself into. It was on him to become the key component of a side that has a chance to win every competition it enters and he is the one who will ruin it for himself. He had to evolve as a footballer and as a professional and instead he appears to be regressing. At Villa he was everything to us. Often to our detriment. At Man City he needs to quickly realize they will simply move on from him in a heartbeat and replace him with another top player irrespective of what they spent on him.
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2021, 01:31:45 PM
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 22, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2021, 10:43:50 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.
What are going to use, magic beans?
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.
I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 22, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Yes I think, especially given our new regime, it's probably time to cut our losses and sadly say it's for the best all round now.Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.
I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
Yes I think, especially given our new regime, it's probably time to cut our losses and sadly say it's for the best all round now.Been reported that four Brazilian clubs are hankering after taking Wes on loan.
I do appreciate a good hankering, let it be so.
I agree.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 22, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.
What are going to use, magic beans?
You might be thinking of Juan Valdez.
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 22, 2021, 09:41:44 PM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
They are linked with everyone and anyone so the sad twats who watch from afar keep following the bias media like The Sun and Sky
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 23, 2021, 01:19:51 AM
Looks like Man U are sniffing around Julian Alvarez now, so any chance we may of had of getting him (if indeed the rumours had any legs in them) are probably now over.
He's no longer a secret, sadly. Most top clubs in Europe have been linked with him over the last couple of months. Barca seems to be the front-runner at the moment.
What are going to use, magic beans?
Apparently (I can't be arsed validating it) their salary cap will come back up by a lot next season. It's not like they have a problem with taking on debt at that club, it's the salary cap holding them back this year.
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2021, 08:44:15 AM
Barcelona spending £55m of their new bank loan on Ferran Torres from Man City.
Fuckin eejits
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 23, 2021, 04:45:15 PM
http://www.thehardtackle.com/news/2021/12/23/transfer-news-aston-villa-battle-west-ham-for-gabriel-barbosa/
Post by: Scott Nielsen on December 25, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
https://twitter.com/futbolbible/status/1474473975354961928?s=21
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Trez, AEG, Nakamba (I know he’s played well under SG), Bert (not consistent enough to be a top six player. And maybe Ings.
Use the money for two class full backs.
Then break the bank in the summer for a striker.
Post by: Gareth on December 27, 2021, 01:06:42 PM
Post by: TonyD on December 27, 2021, 01:11:32 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 27, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Would be ideal for where we are, but looks like he's off to Roma.
Owen Wijndal at AZ Alkmaar looks like the next Mino Raiola player to be hawked around. Only 22 and already captains his club side. Played for Holland at left back. Depends if we want all the bollocks that goes with having a Raiola player on the books.
Post by: john e on December 27, 2021, 11:42:53 PM
Obviously it’s a crying shame about Nakamba so there might be something there that needs addressing
but overall the midfield is our strongest dept at the mo
Central defence and the powder puff attack being far more of an issue for me
Post by: Ads on December 27, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 27, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
I’ve got no problems with our midfield players at the moment they can interchange quite nicelyI agree that midfield is least of our worries ATM. We need to see how Sanson, Buendia, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey and Nakamba can turn into an effective 3. Upfront we need to see a run of games with both Bailey and Traore in the team alongside Watkins. It's defence where we need upgrades at left and centre.
Obviously it’s a crying shame about Nakamba so there might be something there that needs addressing
but overall the midfield is our strongest dept at the mo
Central defence and the powder puff attack being far more of an issue for me
Post by: john e on December 28, 2021, 12:02:11 AM
8th highest scorers in the league, so not too powder puff.
Watkins and Ings have scored a combined 8 goals this season so far
They need to be doing better than that imo
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2021, 12:34:05 AM
8th highest scorers in the league, so not too powder puff.
Watkins and Ings have scored a combined 8 goals this season so far
They need to be doing better than that imo
Yep. Konsa is only 1 behind Ings on 2.
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2021, 12:46:41 AM
Post by: algy on December 29, 2021, 12:56:44 PM
I like AEG but I think he is one we could cash in on next month.I like AEG too, but I'd sell him at the right price. Just think we ought to cash in whilst his stock is still fairly high.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 29, 2021, 06:14:49 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2021, 09:00:25 PM
He's started following Villa on social media, if that means owt.
Must be happening then!
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2021, 09:24:00 PM
Honestly not sure if we desperately need anyone in this window. If Nakamba is out for the rest of the season then I think we will need a replacement there, but not so sure about any other areas really and think we might be better waiting until the summer.
Post by: frank black on December 29, 2021, 09:50:04 PM
He's started following Villa on social media, if that means owt.
Must be happening then!
Been following us and other clubs for a long time apparently.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 30, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
Post by: manic-road on December 30, 2021, 08:29:05 AM
Tuanzebe rumoured to be recalled by ManU so they can flog him. Hope we're not gonna wing it till the summer and hope for the best.
If that's true I could see him end up at Newcastle.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 30, 2021, 08:39:37 AM
we need a new centre back regardless if Axel stays with us or not - we need better quality competition for Konsa and Mings regardless
Agree
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
Post by: Big Ming on December 30, 2021, 09:09:17 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2021, 09:19:52 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 09:36:31 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 09:49:45 AM
they all had a shocker that dayTuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
Post by: Beard82 on December 30, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
been shocking. That said we signed two in the summer and it would seem a bit of an admission of failure by the scouting set up
I think he’ll be looking for full backs that provide more threat going forward. The two Matts can’t cross for shit at the moment.
To be honest - what I would really like to see is us sign someone in any position that we can all agree is an obvious upgrade on what we have.
I think we need to strong second half of the season to try and hold onto SJM and EMI in the summer
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 10:14:18 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 10:14:44 AM
they all had a shocker that dayTuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
I have no problem with signing players who've had shockers, so long as we allow our own players the same grace when/if they've had an offday.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.
Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.
Post by: Rigadon on December 30, 2021, 10:53:56 AM
I think we need to look at someone to play one of SG 10s as they have all
been shocking. That said we signed two in the summer and it would seem a bit of an admission of failure by the scouting set up
I think he’ll be looking for full backs that provide more threat going forward. The two Matts can’t cross for shit at the moment.
To be honest - what I would really like to see is us sign someone in any position that we can all agree is an obvious upgrade on what we have.
I think we need to strong second half of the season to try and hold onto SJM and EMI in the summer
On the last point you make, I'd like to believe that a decent run of form would be enough to keep our better players, but I don't. If they are off, it's already a done thing bar the paperwork and serious injury, and our results between now and the end of the season is utterly irrelevant.
It might be different for lesser players, but for players like SJM and Martinez, where we'd be looking at >£70m each, I think they are planned / agreed (certainly in principle) well in advance.
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
Alongside Virgil Van Dijk? Yes that one.
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2021, 11:27:21 AM
Whilst I think Gomez is an upgrade I'm not sure I see him starting ahead of Mings and Konsa. And the reality is that to get better we need to sign better players.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 11:36:11 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.
Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.
The way you put it inferred that you knew Gomez started that game and played crap so we should avoid him, I concluded from that that you may think the same about any other player that had suffered the same in their career which I think would be foolish.
If it was just a question then yes, yes it’s the same Gomez that played in that game and yes, I think, he’s a definite upgrade on Axel and if he shows anything like the form of a few seasons back could be the best centre half at the club.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
Even if we followed that logic in judging him, we’d be looking the same way at the other three defenders that night, who are three of the best in Europe.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 30, 2021, 11:46:13 AM
Tuanzebe out....Gomez in?
That would be a big upgrade.
Is that the same Gomez that started in liverpool's 7-2 defeat to Aston Villa?
We’d better strike Van Dijk from our shortlist as well then and any other player that’s suffered a heavy defeat in their career.
Wow it was just a question. I take it from your attempt at an answer that he is.
The way you put it inferred that you knew Gomez started that game and played crap so we should avoid him, I concluded from that that you may think the same about any other player that had suffered the same in their career which I think would be foolish.
If it was just a question then yes, yes it’s the same Gomez that played in that game and yes, I think, he’s a definite upgrade on Axel and if he shows anything like the form of a few seasons back could be the best centre half at the club.
It was a closed question. Yes or no would have done instead of the rabbit hole you chose to explore.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2021, 11:57:02 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2021, 01:01:06 PM
Gomez only played an hour of the 7-2.
Even if we followed that logic in judging him, we’d be looking the same way at the other three defenders that night, who are three of the best in Europe.
Only an hour...enough time to rip them though.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 01:05:41 PM
Whatever, if I got the wrong end of the stick so be it but we both know I didn’t as others pointed it out too. Anyway transfers…You didn't :)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 30, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
Not sure how old he is? If still fairly young, I guess he could improve. Struggle to see him being better than Konsa though.
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2021, 03:59:11 PM
I would think on the Gomez thing that Gerrard has seen him at close quarters when he was coaching at Liverpool
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do
Gomez was signed from Charlton so he may not have been involved when Gerrard was at the club, certainly as a youth coach.
I do think he is an upgrade on Axel, however I’d prefer us to sign first XI players rather than squad players. We should be aiming to develop those in the academy.
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
I would think on the Gomez thing that Gerrard has seen him at close quarters when he was coaching at Liverpool
So maybe he rates what he thinks he can do
Gomez was signed from Charlton so he may not have been involved when Gerrard was at the club, certainly as a youth coach.
I do think he is an upgrade on Axel, however I’d prefer us to sign first XI players rather than squad players. We should be aiming to develop those in the academy.
Oh
That’s my theory out the window then
Post by: steamer on December 30, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
What we need are players that are an upgrade on our starting 11
I guess it is a bit unfair to write off our summer purchases because for one reason or another we have not seen much of them
Also depends on money available and season end expectations
Tough Midfielder, cover at left back and maybe he thinks we need a proper number 9
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
There are many C/Backs that are an upgrade on AxelShaun Teale out of retirement runs him close...
Post by: Matt C on December 30, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Davis heading to Forest on loan.He'll suddenly turn into a goal machine.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
Whenever I've seen Gomez, he's been crap. Has pace, but not much else.
Not sure how old he is? If still fairly young, I guess he could improve. Struggle to see him being better than Konsa though.
Pretty sure he can play at RB so might see him come in and fill in on occasions.
Think it's a cert Hause will leave end of season and not convinced Gerrard is sold on Mings yet so we certainly need a new CB at some point in next 6 months.
Post by: john e on December 30, 2021, 08:14:52 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2021, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 30, 2021, 08:49:27 PM
Was Gomez not a starter for the Liverpool team that won the league and went near on 12 months without defeatdon't be silly, he had one bad game once, you know....
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2021, 09:20:32 PM
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Post by: adrenachrome on December 31, 2021, 01:26:43 AM
Hate to say it, but we need a strategic rather than a tactical window. I saw Lewis Grabban, a decent player, on the box recently and I remember the way we were.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 31, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
Davis heading to Forest on loan.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2021/12/30/aston-villa-striker-keinan-davis-set-for-nottingham-forest-loan/
He will get injured getting into his car
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2021, 08:47:53 AM
We need to sort the inverted 10s before the full backs or centre halves. They lose the ball at will and are neither good enough on the ball to retain possession, or threatening enough. Buendia has a lot of potential, Bailey I'm not sold on and the other options are a bit samey. A top quality couple of creative players that can help us retain the ball there will be the biggest step forward. Oh and a Pirlo like holding mid. And some movement. And eventually a more clinical version of Watkins. And a better Mings. Lot of work to do.
If Gerrard sticks with the two 10s then I’d love us to sign Pulisic from Chelsea in the summer, he seems to be on the edge of their plans. Keep Bailey and another winger for variation then cash in on the rest.
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
That said, I've always liked Jessie Lingard personally. A little different to what we already have and he likes to run at players.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 31, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
Unrealistic i know but he would be a absolute incredible signing
Post by: Eckybloke on December 31, 2021, 10:11:20 AM
The only signing i want is bissouma in January
Unrealistic i know but he would be a absolute incredible signing
And because it’s Villa, he’ll be handed a significant custodial sentence for a significant chunk of any contract.
Post by: john e on December 31, 2021, 10:51:35 AM
Let’s face it most important thing at any club is the manager, and the second most important is the players he brings in
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 10:57:07 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 31, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2021, 01:13:18 PM
Think we'll struggle to improve much on last season if we don't bring in players. I realise players are hard to get in January, but a few injuries in the defence especially, and we're down to kids
Think we are at the point now though where the squad is in reasonable shape and we need real quality to come in to improve the starting XI if we are going to move forward. With Nakamba out injured, I would settle for just a quality defensive midfielder coming in really and then looking at it again in the summer.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 01:23:48 PM
Post by: enigma on December 31, 2021, 01:26:28 PM
Bissouma can do better than us - he's class. He'd get in the Man Utd or Arsenal midfield at least - probably Liverpool too now Milner is getting on a bitHe's exactly what Man Utd need. Huge upgrade on McTominay and Fred. Brighton have done well to keep him this long but if and when he does leave it'll be to a club higher in the pecking order than us unfortunately.
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2021, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on December 31, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
Bissouma can do better than us - he's class. He'd get in the Man Utd or Arsenal midfield at least - probably Liverpool too now Milner is getting on a bitHe's exactly what Man Utd need. Huge upgrade on McTominay and Fred. Brighton have done well to keep him this long but if and when he does leave it'll be to a club higher in the pecking order than us unfortunately.
We're at the stage in our progression where we need to start making the signings that will lift us up the pecking order, so I wouldn't be surprised if (in the summer , at least) we start to see Villa move in for the Bissouma-level of signing. (*Fingers crossed*)
Post by: curiousorange on December 31, 2021, 03:00:36 PM
I’m not sure we’ll sign anyone in the January window but it will be interesting to see what type of players Gerrard and his team do you go for in the foreseeable future
Let’s face it most important thing at any club is the manager, and the second most important is the players he brings in
Not a chance we don't sign anyone. A couple of articles have already suggested Gerrard's got players in mind, plus I think there's belief among the club hierarchy that Europe isn't out if the question.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 31, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
I doubt anyone will be looking at Bissouma in this window with his off field issues.
small heath would
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 31, 2021, 03:06:46 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 31, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
I have a feeling we might cash in on Ings , with someone like Newcastle being interested . Probably indigestion
Would be a massive risk having no backup with Watkins inevitably getting crocked the day after Ings leaves.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2021, 03:55:56 PM
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Post by: Risso on December 31, 2021, 04:12:54 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer. With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.
Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?
Post by: Steve67 on December 31, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
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Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
Depends if you think Wes is permanently crocked. At 24 he's hardly too old to come good. The trouble we have is 2 fringe england players who can't play together with room for one of them to play. Seems a bit extravagant to keep one as a reserve.
One on the pitch, one on the bench. Other clubs manage it.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 31, 2021, 04:31:43 PM
Depends if you think Wes is permanently crocked. At 24 he's hardly too old to come good. The trouble we have is 2 fringe england players who can't play together with room for one of them to play. Seems a bit extravagant to keep one as a reserve.
One on the pitch, one on the bench. Other clubs manage it.
If they've got the games....i.e. Europe. I doubt Ings or Watkins will be happy with 20 sub appearances. At this stage, Ings is 29, he's not gonna get any better, I'd rather have a younger back-up personally.
Post by: villadelph on December 31, 2021, 04:31:59 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer. With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.
Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?
yeah, sorry.. Wes is a nice guy but no way will he cut it at this level. He couldn't trap a ball, couldn't head a ball, couldn't beat a defender off the dribble, couldn't shoot very well. I fail to see any attribute he possesses that would improve our side at the moment. If Ings doesn't work with Ollie in this formation, then Wes definitely won't fit.
All sounds a bit harsh, but I wish him well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
If they offered us 30m for a 29 year old I'd say yes, bring Wes back as cover with Archer. With the likes of Bert as well that would get us through to the summer. Obviously only if we need the cash to get someone else in January.
Sorry, did you honestly just say bring back Wes?
Aside from not being very good I cannot think of another player less suited to the way Gerrard wants to play than Wesley. The sooner we are shot of him the better. It’s a massive shame we didn’t see if he could become a PL footballer because he was improving until he got cut down by that ****** Mee. But in truth he never really had the mobility for this level.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 31, 2021, 05:21:29 PM
I liked Wes and thought he just needed a bit of time to adapt, similar to a few signings we made that summer but sadly I think the injury has finished him at this level.
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Post by: Smithy on December 31, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows. That's what good competition is all about. I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.
Post by: richtheholtender on December 31, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves. We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.
Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows. That's what good competition is all about. I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.
100% we definitely need this in place if we're to be competing in Europe and getting further in cup competitions.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 31, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.
Pretty good defender although not the tallest.
From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.
Pretty good defender although not the tallest.
From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.
According to t'interwebnet, his contract expires in the summer, Ajax paid £4m for him and he's on £25k a week.
Could be a short term signing - 3 Yr deal as a back up/competitor for Targett.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:31:00 PM
We're interested in Nicolás Tagliafico, LB for Ajax, according to Fabrizio Romano on Twitter. He's 29 though, doesn't feel like a Lange signing.
Pretty good defender although not the tallest.
From what I remember of watching him for Argentina he's not that amazing going forward so would be a surprise given Targett attempting to cross a ball made my eyes nearly burst in the Chelsea game.
According to t'interwebnet: his contract expires in the summer, Ajax paid £4m fir him and he's on £25k a week.
Would bring solid experience to the squad and provide backup/competition for Targett.
Possibly a 3yr deal?
Post by: SaddVillan on December 31, 2021, 09:32:03 PM
Apologies
Post by: ozzjim on December 31, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
On Ings, no chance he leaves in Jan, and I would hate to strengthen Newcastle. I've been disappointed in him, his all round game has been pretty mediocre, but he has not had a whole load of chances. I think long term he will be used in a transfer make weight next summer.
Post by: yammers on January 01, 2022, 12:49:36 AM
I wonder if they should scrap this window in order to keep a level playing field.
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2022, 12:52:50 AM
Post by: ez on January 01, 2022, 09:06:17 AM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves. We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.
Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows. That's what good competition is all about. I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.
Far too early to give up on Ings but maybe loan him out to Newcastle for the rest of the season. They would take him in the hope he keeps them up.
Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
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Post by: Beard82 on January 01, 2022, 10:17:51 AM
I wouldn’t mind seeing us sign some more experienced players to be honest - ones that wouldn’t mind rotating with the youth players as they get a bit older maybe in midfield in particular as we have some great players coming through and don’t want to block there pathway
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2022, 10:46:17 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2022, 10:52:48 AM
We could still get around 20m-25m if we sell him in the summer
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2022, 11:16:41 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 01, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
I would happily sell ings in the summer. Its just not worked out here for him and he is pushing 30.
We could still get around 20m-25m if we sell him in the summer
I'd want a profit so now would be the time. I really have no problem with the guy and I could see him scoring double figures for us this season if he got the nod from Mr. Gerrard, but if him and Watkins can't play together then you have to choose one or the other, and neither will be happy being a sub. If Ings is the one to miss out then you've got a 120k a week striker as a sub. Given the age and potential of Watkins then I think you have to go with him imo.
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2022, 11:40:34 AM
Back to Villa, I am really keen to see who Steven Gerrard has identified for us.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2022, 12:58:08 PM
Absolutely fuck all happening at Villa Park. The window has been open now for ..ermmm... at least almost an hour and no sign of any player coming in. NGE.
1 hour you say? Totally unacceptable that we haven't brought at least three in yet. NSWE, Lange and Gerrard all out!
Post by: KevinGage on January 01, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
If people are genuinely suggesting letting Ings go (and I can't believe they are), then we need a solid replacement in the squad BEFORE he leaves. We have to get past this idea that the squad is made up of a first-11 and then a back-up for each of the first-11. We should be able to rotate 5 or 6 players with little effect on the quality of the side, or the way it plays.
Right now, Ollie holds the single central attacking shirt - Ings might have it in a few weeks, who knows. That's what good competition is all about. I'm happy with Ollie being the current first choice, but I don't like the idea of his main competition for the shirt dropping to a standard below Danny Ings.
Far too early to give up on Ings but maybe loan him out to Newcastle for the rest of the season. They would take him in the hope he keeps them up.
Unless the loan fee was north of £35 million, it's a no from me Clive.
Post by: Mister E on January 01, 2022, 04:30:05 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Post by: SteveN on January 01, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Lucas Digne, anyone? - always liked his aggressive approach and attacking style.
That's a yes from me.
Post by: jwarry on January 01, 2022, 04:45:30 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 01, 2022, 04:49:28 PM
Lucas Digne, anyone? - always liked his aggressive approach and attacking style.And he has already scored for us this season.
Post by: charlatan on January 01, 2022, 05:59:53 PM
Where do Watford keep getting their unknown Brazilians, we need their agent
Brazil?
Post by: dave shelley on January 01, 2022, 06:04:24 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 02, 2022, 07:46:05 AM
Maybe we will sign him or maybe we heard it here first?I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
Maybe we will sign him or maybe we heard it here first?I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
Maybe we heard it here first.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2022, 10:11:39 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.
Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 10:38:25 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.
Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.
Reports over the last few days put his buyout clause at around £18m so not an astronomical price. Possibly fit in as one of the 10’s as well as competition for Watkins, perhaps agent Emi could have a word.
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:16:14 AM
Our, supposedly, one time target Julian Alvarez, has won South American 2021 player of the year. If there was any truth in it we may have missed a trick there.
Watched a lot of highlights of him since we were linked and I think he's going to be special. He'd be a fantastic statement signing.
Reports over the last few days put his buyout clause at around £18m so not an astronomical price. Possibly fit in as one of the 10’s as well as competition for Watkins, perhaps agent Emi could have a word.
I think this is an element of disappointed with our summer business - something like that would have been better than Ings - as even if it didn’t work
Immediately - there is time on there side.
I think Emi2 and Bailey could come good - but Emi particularly seems expensive for what he has shown so far.
Problem is it feels like most of the clubs above us are getting better at least as quickly as we are - so it feels like this summer was a missed opportunity
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:25:58 AM
The summer of discontent.This summer coming I think will be a big one - can we keep hold of our best players.
Ollie, Emi and SJM have all been linked to moves to the sky 6.
Think that could be a real crunch time for where we sit in the scheme of things
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
The summer of discontent.This summer coming I think will be a big one - can we keep hold of our best players.
Ollie, Emi and SJM have all been linked to moves to the sky 6.
Think that could be a real crunch time for where we sit in the scheme of things
I think we’ll keep them if we have a good month in January and a good start to the summer window.
Post by: sid1964 on January 02, 2022, 11:35:28 AM
We may struggle to do this can see Emi and McGinn wanting to test themsey playing for a champions league club
Post by: Beard82 on January 02, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Totally agree this summer will be a massive one for the club, if we can keep hold of our better playersYeah that’s my fear - and then we’re basically stuck in a holding pattern where each summer we are struggling to stay still.
We may struggle to do this can see Emi and McGinn wanting to test themsey playing for a champions league club
Mind you - none of that has actually happened yet
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 11:50:03 AM
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Post by: Dave on January 02, 2022, 12:37:21 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases.
I reckon that Vidic, Suarez and Young (among lots of others) suggest this statement to be untrue.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases. Usually in this window a targeted specific player such as a defender, a goal scorer etc can give a team required lift to achieve more than their current squad provides but it is not the time to reshape the team. I am not sure we should splash out in this window. The manager needs more time to assess current squad before we spend big numbers.Based on his press conference,
I don’t think Gerrard agrees with you.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2022, 01:14:42 PM
January is never right for making any strategic purchases. Usually in this window a targeted specific player such as a defender, a goal scorer etc can give a team required lift to achieve more than their current squad provides but it is not the time to reshape the team. I am not sure we should splash out in this window. The manager needs more time to assess current squad before we spend big numbers.
Disagree.
Jan 2007 we got in Carew and Young and that quickly lifted us from 12th to 6th.
Bent a few years later did a very good job in the short term.
In our promotion season Mings was signed from nowhere and three years on remains a key player.
Of course you get poor transfer windows but I always think at least with decent Jan signings they have a few months to settle in and then hopefully start the next season well. Let's say we could've signed Buendia last Jan then I'm sure he'd have played better than he has so far.
With other clubs West Ham in Jan 2020 signed Soucek and Bowen and both are now key players in top 6 team.
As for now I think we'll just sign a DM and possibly a full back. Rest can wait until the summer as we're fairly strong in numbers in pretty much every other area.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 02:25:29 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2022, 04:10:50 PM
Too many players just not good enough
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 02, 2022, 04:16:01 PM
We absolutely need to strengthen in this window
Too many players just not good enough
Gerrard will have seen all that he needs. Can imagine that our starting XI for the first game of next season will look very different to today's.
Thankfully.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2022, 04:16:43 PM
Top 4, lightyears away from that.
Top 7, Good two seasons probably but you never know.
8th-10th, can still challenge for that this season given it's always inconsistant in this part of the table.
I think we're capable of hitting 50 points, hopefully that's enough to get top half and that would be fine for me given the situation two months back.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 02, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
El Ghazi and Luiz linked outwards. If we can bring in our targets, I wouldn't mind either going to be honest. Never been sold on either player. I don't consider either to be amongst our better players but do agree that we need to keep certain ones in order to move forward. Luiz is an enigma as I can understand some thinking he's a decent player. Not strong enough and hasn't moved on for me. Neither has El Ghazi.
Luiz looks to me like a player who'd do well if rotated regularly by a top three club, rather than being a key midfielder for a team like ours.
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2022, 04:38:42 PM
And sell off the likes of AEG Trez Bert etc. Give youth a go.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Post by: charlatan on January 02, 2022, 05:48:03 PM
Bent a few years later did a very good job in the short term.
At exorbitant cost. Smashed our transfer record on a player who played 61 league games for us before being given a free transfer.
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 02, 2022, 05:52:34 PM
Digne for around £25m apparently
Not a bad shout. His days with Everton seem to be over. He would be a step up from Targett for sure.
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
Should be looking to buy players on the up.Digne for around £25m apparently
Not a bad shout. His days with Everton seem to be over. He would be a step up from Targett for sure.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 06:35:19 PM
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Traore, Watkins, Buendia.
I’d love to shoehorn Ings into it but I just think that gives the best balance.
I think only 4 of those players are definitely good enough for top 6 as things stand and I think we need to replace in this order (unless they improve a lot)…
Luiz - with a dominant, tough no nonsense DM
Traore - with a better right winger
Targett - with a better version that offers more going forward
Ramsey - with a player that can break into the box and score goals (Ramsey might end up being good enough as he is still developing)
Cash - see Targett but I think Cash might get back to last season or better, he needs to
Buendia - just a better version, not as lightweight. It is still early days so maybe he’ll get there.
Mings - A better version without the cock ups. Again, he could improve though still.
All of those above are good enough for the squad though, plus Ings and maybe Bailey if he gets his shit together.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 06:50:53 PM
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Post by: steamer on January 02, 2022, 07:18:56 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2022, 08:48:40 PM
Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 02, 2022, 09:08:01 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.
Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question
He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 02, 2022, 09:29:20 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.
Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question
He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.
Not only that but a left footed back up adequate thats happy to be. Like rocking horse crap to find.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 09:32:21 PM
I would rather have kept engels than hause.
Hause is such a average cb. We need a cb without question
He had a crap game today but he’s adequate usually. Ok as 4th choice if he’s happy to be.
I'd agree, with the amount of games he usually plays he's fine. There was a time last season when he came in for Mings did brilliantly and, imo, was really unlucky to be dropped when Mings was fit or free from suspension.
I suppose its a question of prioritising, if Gerrard wants to strengthen that position Mings will drop to first reserve but for me there's more pressing matters to address first.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2022, 09:47:26 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2022, 10:01:58 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 02, 2022, 10:06:37 PM
Twitter and Daily Mail links to Denis Zakaria of Borussia Moenchengladbach I think. No idea if he's any good but I hope we finally get the DCM we badly need.
It feels like people are getting hints from the Mail’s Football Manager videos…
Post by: Lsvilla on January 02, 2022, 10:12:37 PM
Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2022, 10:14:43 PM
I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2022, 10:35:46 PM
Twitter and Daily Mail links to Denis Zakaria of Borussia Moenchengladbach I think. No idea if he's any good but I hope we finally get the DCM we badly need.
I believe he’d be on a free at the end of the season.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 12:56:01 AM
Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 03, 2022, 03:53:23 AM
I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
I don't think there's a fall-out. But Chelsea-fans seem pretty certain he will be signing for them in January. With both Reece and Chilwell out it'd make sense for them to be hunting for full-backs.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2022, 06:07:54 AM
Benitez dropping him from the squad, then refusing to say why he was dropped and subsequently making comments about his attitude.I would like to know what has caused the fall out with Benitez.Linked with Lucas Digne but reports are he’s on north of £100k a week. FML. Stupid wages.No idea what contract he’s on length-wise but sure if it’s running down he’d take another 3.5 season deal on lower money. Not sure that’s the way forward but always liked him and I don’t think we can go all in with kids without some older heads.
I don't think there's a fall-out. But Chelsea-fans seem pretty certain he will be signing for them in January. With both Reece and Chilwell out it'd make sense for them to be hunting for full-backs.
So no fall out , right.
Post by: jwarry on January 03, 2022, 08:15:46 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 03, 2022, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2022, 10:03:42 AM
Don’t know much about Denis Zakaria but a 6ft 3 Swiss DM on paper fits the bill
A quick Google reveals he's been linked with Man U in January. And to prove that we're not the only city with a truly dire local newspaper, the Manchester Evening News ran a story about putting him in their Fifa team on the Playstation to see how he'd get on.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 10:52:12 AM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2022, 10:56:20 AM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?
Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.
Two jazz mags and a dildo.
Post by: Beard82 on January 03, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
After careful reflection I think we should accept the offer.Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?
Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.
Two jazz mags and a dildo.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2022, 11:09:31 AM
I think all those teams have better first X1 players than us and Kane Saka Son Rice Soucek Antonio, Smith Rowe Tierney.As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
The league table is a pretty good indicator of the difference.
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2022, 11:09:38 AM
Targett isn't attacking enough to be the outlet on that side and Luiz is clearly better in the left of the 3 role in midfield (where he's played very well since Gerrard arrived).
This window should see us address both of those issues and get in another centre half, which is probably as much as you want to do in January. In the summer I'd expect a bit more focus on the attacking side.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 11:21:34 AM
I think all those teams have better first X1 players than us and Kane Saka Son Rice Soucek Antonio, Smith Rowe Tierney.As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
The league table is a pretty good indicator of the difference.
they have some of course, and I wouldn't disagree with any of those names, but in other areas its not the case - They certainly have better cover - we couldn't leave SJM on the bench for 3 games like Arsenal have done with Smith Rowe for example. More encouraging is those names cost their clubs the grand total of 71m. so basically the joe fee with 30m left over.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2022, 11:40:54 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 03, 2022, 11:46:59 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.I’m hoping it’s to keep Man Utd guessing
Post by: andyh on January 03, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.I thought he was talking about absentees and said we have covid and injury issues and that Watkins would be back for the next game. I thought he was quite clear without being explicit.
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2022, 11:54:13 AM
Slightly concerned at Watkins' non presence yesterday and SG's opting not to explain why he wasn't around the squad.
As I said in the other thread, Gerrard has been at great pains not to single people out who are out with Covid, even when it's glaringly obvious. He said something in the post match thread about not saying whether players are out with Covid or an injury, and then said Ollie should be back for the next game. My Sherlock Holmes super-sleuthing ability therefore lead me to believe that Watkins has Covid and won't be joining Arsenal this transfer window.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 12:07:21 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 01:59:29 PM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
The problem is that any fringe players that have ambition are going to want to play regular games or else they'll be off (ie Tuanzebe). We're not in Europe, likely to be knocked-out early in both Cup competitions so there is less game time to share round than at Spurs or West Ham.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 03, 2022, 02:57:36 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 03:13:13 PM
As said before we have a squad of mainly 5 or 6 out of 10 PL level players.
I think Martinez SJM and Konsa are maybe 7+ out of 10.
To push for top 6 you need more 7/8 out of 10.
It’s a pretty big ask.
Dunno. top6 puts you in the Arsenal, Tottenham, west ham category and I wouldn't say any of them have massively better players than our 1st team or massively more expensive so we couldn't attract similar. What we need is obviously replacing some of the 1st team over time but the biggest difference between us is they have better squads at least with Arsenal and Tottenham, so instead of basically having a back 4 where it picks itself, we need to be giving the Manager the option of dropping some of them.
The problem is that any fringe players that have ambition are going to want to play regular games or else they'll be off (ie Tuanzebe). We're not in Europe, likely to be knocked-out early in both Cup competitions so there is less game time to share round than at Spurs or West Ham.
yeah but the likes of West Ham played the same amount of games as us last season. What i'm saying is if you look at Chicago Lion's list of players who he thinks are better than ours, 4 of them cost their clubs nothing as youth players, and the other 3 cost an average of 17m so well within our means to buy similar. I don't think we're too far off competing with the right acquisitions and more strength in depth than we have now.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 04:02:24 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 03, 2022, 04:11:13 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 03, 2022, 05:29:35 PM
Doesn't Digne get a regular game for France?
Also, someone on another thread said that West Ham are reported to be in for El Ghazi. If true, I wonder what they'd offer.
Two jazz mags and a dildo.
We’d have their pants down
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 03, 2022, 06:12:07 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 03, 2022, 06:38:42 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 03, 2022, 08:09:09 PM
According to Nixon we are after a left back, a DCM and a replacement centre half. Obvious I know but he’s usually pretty clued up.
Sounds about right. If we offload El Ghazi and Trez with no sign of Bailey coming back to make an impact this season I’d get another wide attacker as well.
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2022, 09:32:06 PM
Post by: aev on January 04, 2022, 08:19:29 AM
The holding midfielder we needed in the summer is still the most important. Nakamba showed for 4-5 games how vital it is to have a pure sitter that can break it up and read the game. Luiz isn't disciplined enough to play that in this formation. He's good enough to play the other roles, but not the holding role.
I also think this is the key. Get this right and we will be golden.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 04, 2022, 08:28:19 AM
Louie Barry & Arjan Raikny both recalled from their loans.Might be 'automatic' recalls as none of them have figured much, so they'll be loaned elsewhere.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
Post by: Allan C on January 04, 2022, 10:48:44 AM
4 days now and not a scoobie. >:(That’s the way I like it though. Do the talking when they’re holding a Villa shirt up on the pitch
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 10:59:50 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 11:21:54 AM
Need to get it done quickly imo. Only 3 games in January (atm) so perfect time to get players acclimatizedAgreed - expecting 3 worldies (vomit) in by the end of the day
Post by: Big Ming on January 04, 2022, 01:00:12 PM
IMO.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 01:00:35 PM
Need to get it done quickly imo. Only 3 games in January (atm) so perfect time to get players acclimatizedAgreed - expecting 3 worldies (vomit) in by the end of the day
Yep. Mr Gerrard hasn't had training to do so no excuses. They should have been lined up at the door on Jan 1st.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 01:30:39 PM
We’re skint. Players leaving before we will buy.
FFP skint or actually skint?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2022, 01:33:13 PM
Post by: caster troy on January 04, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2022, 01:40:51 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
Sorry not skint. Wrong word. But sell to buy. Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.
Oh dear, you mentioned the F words...…….
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Post by: richtheholtender on January 04, 2022, 02:02:38 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2022, 02:18:04 PM
We're not skint.
Maybe we should move to a Trillion Trophy stadium and look for treasure ;D
Post by: Smithy on January 04, 2022, 02:29:00 PM
Chelsea had just finished 6th when Abramovich took over, and City had just finished 9th. We were just starting our third season in the Championship when NWSE took over, and we've faced FFP restrictions from day one. The "starting positions" for each club could not be more different.
Chelsea got a full 8 years before FFP scrutiny became a thing, Man City got two full years. And it STILL took City three full seasons to get into the top 4. Three years, two with unlimited spending, to go from 9th to 3rd.
And that all happened while player prices were much lower than they are today. £30-40m got you pretty much anyone in world football except Ronaldo or Messi.
I'm sure Newcastle are about to spend a couple of hundred million on players (by the summer) - in the same way we did in the first 12 months when we got promoted. But they won't be buying a squad capable of getting into the top 4 - because that's simply not possible under the current FFP rules. They'll spend a couple of hundred million, and probably find themselves in upper mid-table.
I want us buying superstars, and seeing those players in claret and blue at Villa Park, but I also realise that's entirely unrealistic, at least in the short term. Newcastle might do it differently, and rather than buy 10 players at an average of about £10-15m like we did when we got promoted, they might buy three big names for £50m a piece and try to get success that way.
That wasn't an option for us, we had too many squad places to fill. But that's changed now, we HAVE a premier league quality squad, and the players who come in from this point forward should be capable of improving the first eleven and turning the established starters into squad players. But it's taken us three years to get to this point.
I don't know what we can and can't spend, or how our books look and what we have to do to stick within the current rules, but I DO believe that if we are allowed to spend it, we will.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 02:36:12 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
People really need to stop comparing what our rich owners have done (or haven't done) to what happened at Chelsea and Man City in the first few years of their respective takeovers by wealthy owners.
Chelsea had just finished 6th when Abramovich took over, and City had just finished 9th. We were just starting our third season in the Championship when NWSE took over, and we've faced FFP restrictions from day one. The "starting positions" for each club could not be more different.
Chelsea got a full 8 years before FFP scrutiny became a thing, Man City got two full years. And it STILL took City three full seasons to get into the top 4. Three years, two with unlimited spending, to go from 9th to 3rd.
And that all happened while player prices were much lower than they are today. £30-40m got you pretty much anyone in world football except Ronaldo or Messi.
I'm sure Newcastle are about to spend a couple of hundred million on players (by the summer) - in the same way we did in the first 12 months when we got promoted. But they won't be buying a squad capable of getting into the top 4 - because that's simply not possible under the current FFP rules. They'll spend a couple of hundred million, and probably find themselves in upper mid-table.
I want us buying superstars, and seeing those players in claret and blue at Villa Park, but I also realise that's entirely unrealistic, at least in the short term. Newcastle might do it differently, and rather than buy 10 players at an average of about £10-15m like we did when we got promoted, they might buy three big names for £50m a piece and try to get success that way.
That wasn't an option for us, we had too many squad places to fill. But that's changed now, we HAVE a premier league quality squad, and the players who come in from this point forward should be capable of improving the first eleven and turning the established starters into squad players. But it's taken us three years to get to this point.
I don't know what we can and can't spend, or how our books look and what we have to do to stick within the current rules, but I DO believe that if we are allowed to spend it, we will.
Spot on.
Post by: sid1964 on January 04, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 04, 2022, 02:41:42 PM
i thought that the owners had said that we would be selling players to fund new signingsSelling to create space in the squad, more like!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2022, 04:23:42 PM
We’re skint. Players leaving before we will buy.No we are not.
Post by: frank black on January 04, 2022, 04:52:12 PM
No chance Gerrard would sign up for the job if we were skint. And even less chance considering he says we have exciting targets lined up and we’d be lucky to get £15m total for any outgoings.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see Luiz leave this month. If the rumours of him playing out his contract are true.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 04, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
We need to ramp up the commercial revenue side. Those last figures were embarrassing.
They could start by increasing the output of half time catering staff. They all look like rabbits between headlights the second that halftime whistle goes - I've never known service so flippin slow!
Utter shambles.... I actually think it's got worse over the years!
Post by: john2710 on January 04, 2022, 05:03:25 PM
There's an abundance of wide players & attacking midfielders. Including some young players from the U23's. I'd expect players leaving from these areas to free up room for additions & the younger players.
But I doubt there will be any £30m arrivals.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 04, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 04, 2022, 05:18:52 PM
dunno how true this is but it's been banded around....
Post by: LukeJames on January 04, 2022, 05:24:47 PM
Everton on minus £35m but spend £18m.
Post by: OCD on January 04, 2022, 05:25:06 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
Well they won’t until they sell Calvert Lewin to Arsenal. Spurs is the one that has me beat.
The financial concerns of Tottingham Hotspurts is area much neglected on this forum.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 04, 2022, 06:09:35 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 04, 2022, 06:15:37 PM
Well if we've only got 5m to spend i'm not worried. Mr. Gerrard built a title winning team at Rangers for less than that.
In a pub league.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 04, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 04, 2022, 06:39:44 PM
i thought that the owners had said that we would be selling players to fund new signings
Do you have a link to their quotes on this?
I don't recall seeing that, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.
We hardly ever see them quoted, except Wes talking about how stats should inform purchases across all sports a few years back.
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 06:51:04 PM
i. I'm sure that SG wouldn't have come without these reassurances, as otherwise he is onto a hiding to nothing. He is manging his career very carefully
b. If so, then the talk about the objectives of the club are clearly bollocks / PR spin - and if so, why do it as they have hightened deliverables to completely ridiclous levels that cant be achieved in there stated timelines.
3. Also, it means SG was completely the wrong apointment, as apointing him neccessatates buying new players - rather than a more pragamtic coach who was able to work with what he has. Also one of the big reasons was that he would be more of a draw for players
e. If so I would expect to see Lange sacked, as the has overseen the wasting of over 100 millon over the last 2 windows, of which we would do well to have 1 of those players starting regularly by this time next year
So basically - either we have cash / water tight plans to generate it, or Purslow and Lange have been awful at there jobs.
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 04, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
Well they won’t until they sell Calvert Lewin to Arsenal. Spurs is the one that has me beat.
The financial concerns of Tottingham Hotspurts is area much neglected on this forum.
If only we had an expert in that field. What fun it would be discussing their finances.
Post by: KevinGage on January 04, 2022, 07:02:17 PM
Suggestions we are skint (or close to it) smells like the sort of shite other clubs would wish on us.
Particularly those of the Bordesley persuasion.
No doubt we can't blitz the wage bill and fill it up with 15 players on 100k plus a week (yet). But that's a different thing altogether.
Post by: john e on January 04, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
we can’t afford that anyway as those sort of players would be big money
So we need to target 1 or maybe 2 players of high quality who will be looking at starting whilst maybe a couple of strong back ups or ones for the future
Although the future seems to be taken care of with all the youngsters we have hoovered up over the last couple of seasons
Post by: TonyD on January 04, 2022, 07:39:34 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 04, 2022, 07:41:48 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.
Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Post by: Beard82 on January 04, 2022, 07:43:35 PM
Yeah, when Watkins is off to Arse, and we bring in Ally McCoist as backupI suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.
Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 04, 2022, 07:44:25 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.Gerrard is currently lining up deals for Jean-Alain Boumsong, Jörg Albertz, Shota Arveladze & Richard Gough
Post by: TonyD on January 04, 2022, 07:44:27 PM
Yep, back to work today and all that.I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.
Bloody hell Tony, this is the height of miserablism. (You can of course laugh in my face when we’ve only signed two mediocre Rangers players)
Post by: Ads on January 04, 2022, 07:59:00 PM
We will likely sell one or two as well, but so we should. Liverpool have sold £450m of players under Klopp, spent a net £15m a season and produced one of the best sides in Europe.
We aren't skint and people shouldn't pay attention to daft memes.
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2022, 10:15:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2022, 10:18:33 PM
Lots of links to Aaron Hickey, young Scot LB at Bologna. Has the right kind of profile, kind of signing I'd expect we should be making.
And plenty of potential for H&Vers to misspell his name, I'd welcome Arron Hicky!
Post by: Matt C on January 04, 2022, 10:19:17 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2022, 10:23:12 PM
Welcome Aron Hinckley.
Shoots on sight but misses the target.
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2022, 10:24:15 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2022, 10:58:26 PM
Post by: curiousorange on January 04, 2022, 10:58:27 PM
Welcome Aron Hinckley.
Shoots on sight but misses the target.
No Point getting excited about it.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 04, 2022, 11:02:22 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Sorry not skint. Wrong word. But sell to buy. Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.
Not at all! The entire jack fee gets posted in one years books as a whole. We could have spent another £80m in the summer and been fine on ffp.
Gerrard hasn’t come in with no transfer budget and our squads small enough as it is
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
Sorry not skint. Wrong word. But sell to buy. Closer to FFP and the desire to become self sufficient.
Not at all! The entire jack fee gets posted in one years books as a whole. We could have spent another £80m in the summer and been fine on ffp.
Well sort of. We do get the Grealish profit all at once, but then the cost of Buendia, Bailey and Ings get amortised over the next three or four years, so that has to be taken into consideration.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 05, 2022, 10:31:51 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 10:40:14 AM
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Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements
By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey
During January, The Athletic will be running a piece for each of the clubs we cover looking at which positions they need to strengthen and using insight from our reporters and data from our analytics team to consider players who might fit the bill.
Next up in this Sensible Transfers series are Aston Villa, a club gearing up for a busy window with targets at centre-back, full-back and midfield all under consideration.
Aston Villa’s club motto is to be “Prepared” and rest assured, co-owners Nassef Sawiris, Wes Edens and CEO Christian Purslow have a plan in place for the weeks ahead.
This is the fourth winter window under NSWE’s watch, and every year — admittedly to contrasting fortunes — the money men have dug into their reserve to give the head coach an increased chance of success.
It was in 2019 when the loan signings of Tyrone Mings and Kortney Hause proved invaluable in Villa’s push for promotion. The following year wasn’t as straightforward. When then-record signing Wesley suffered a serious knee injury and John McGinn broke his ankle shortly into the new year, Villa struggled to get in like-for-like replacements.
Mbwana Samatta and Borja Baston were the only forwards willing to join a relegation-threatened Villa back then, while Danny Drinkwater was also chosen over Steven Nzonzi and we all know what happened next.
Still, somehow, Villa survived in the Premier League and decided to get the bulk of their business done early in the following summer months. Morgan Sanson was the only player signed in the last January window because Villa felt they were getting a better value-for-money deal than if he moved at a later stage.
This year, though, there are clear deficiencies in certain areas of the squad which need addressing midway through the season.
As Axel Tuanzebe has cut his loan spell at the club short to return to Manchester United — and likely soon to be onto Napoli — Villa are looking for a new centre-back.
Sil Swinkels, 17, and Lamare Bogarde, 17, are both available for selection after returning home from Holland this week. It means that 16-year-old Josh Feeney, the England Under-17 captain who was named on the substitutes’ bench in the 2-1 defeat by Brentford, is no longer the only back-up defender on standby should Villa lose any of the senior defenders again this month.
Yet, clearly, it’s still an area that needs bulking up, so who would help fill the void?
Several options have already been linked with a move to Villa Park and of the possible candidates, Liverpool’s Joe Gomez is admired and would be a good fit.
But that’s where it gets a little frustrating, Villa fans — let’s look at why he’s on the radar.
In Liverpool’s 2019-20 title-winning season, Gomez formed a strong partnership with Virgil van Dijk. Since then, injuries have thwarted his progress and he’s slipped down the pecking order.
You can see in the smarterscout pizza chart below (here’s a full explanation of how we use smarterscout graphics at The Athletic) just how defensively strong he was in 2019-20.
He’s highly effective in stopping the opponent from progressing further upfield (reflected in his “defending impact” rating of 71 out of 99)
Given his pace, he can get into good positions to jump out to pick up loose balls and block passes (ball recoveries and interceptions 96 out of 99), and make plenty of recovery runs which appears to be an area of weakness of late at Villa as they’ve had trouble defending balls played in behind.
Gomez is the type of player who will step in rather than dive into challenges. He would also strengthen a defensive department that is relying on Kortney Hause as the only senior cover. But let’s not get carried away, here, and swiftly return back to the unfinished point.
Liverpool aren’t prepared to let him leave in this window so it’s a no-go, unfortunately. Perhaps there’s a stronger chance for Villa to get him in the summer if they’re still looking to recruit.
Another Englishman who will be allowed to leave Anfield, however, is Nat Phillips.
Jurgen Klopp said in December: “We cannot keep him forever, that’s clear,” so moving him on for the right money is appealing.
He would fit into the Sensible Transfers bracket, largely because he’s still only 24 years old, has the potential to increase in value, and may also be easier to persuade than a regular Premier League performer who might be put off by the challenge of dislodging either captain, Mings or Konsa.
Phillips is recognised as an out-and-out defender. He gets tight to his opponents regularly (defending intensity 87 out of 99), will head anything that moves (aerial quantity 99 out of 99) and can provide chaos at set pieces, which is a quality Villa are known to be looking for in their recruitment search.
Also, what often goes unnoticed is his passing ability. Phillips largely keeps it simple (link-up play volume 68 out of 99), but he looks after possession well (ball retention ability 59 out of 99) and isn’t given enough credit for how neat and tidy he often is.
Another alternative Villa could consider is Lloyd Kelly at Bournemouth.
He’s a player who stylistically keeps his position and marks the space, typically only making a defensive action when forced into it, as highlighted in the graphic below.
Kelly is also a frequent ball-carrier who drives out of defence (carry and dribble volume 99 out of 99) and plays it simple when he does release it (link-up play volume 89 out of 99), and Villa boss Steven Gerrard has made no secret of his desire to play out from the back and sustain longer spells of possession.
That Kelly could provide competition at left-back, a position where he has played for both Bournemouth and former side, Bristol City, would also benefit Villa as they are in the market for additional full-backs, too.
With Ashley Young out injured, there is currently no back-up on the left or right side.
Assuming that Frederic Guilbert stays at Strasbourg on loan for the season — there has been no suggestion that he’s returning to Villa — it’s likely Villa will top up this area of the squad. Loans will certainly be considered, especially now Tuanzebe has moved on.
The scouting team have been interested in full-backs who can play on either side of the pitch which is why background checks have been made on Bologna’s Aaron Hickey.
In the young Scot’s profile on FBref, it shows him to be 64 per cent left-footed, which is remarkably two-footed given that most players tend to check in at over 80 per cent on their favoured side.
His other strengths in possession can be seen in green on the graphic below. What they show is that Hickey is good on the ball and often keeps it simple with his passing (link-up play volume 82 out of 99). He looks after possession at a very high rate for his position (ball retention ability 75 out of 99), and off the ball, he’s quite active in getting into a position to make a defensive action (defending intensity 76 out of 99), so a fairly active front-foot defender.
If you’re also wondering why the super-talented 19-year-old is listed as a left-midfielder, it’s because he plays as a wing-back within a back five.
Villa also had a sniff around Young Boys right-back Silvan Hefti but chose not to pursue it further. Hefti is now set for a move to Italian side Genoa.
And what other options are out there?
If Gerrard wants a player similar in style to Borna Barisic who performed well for his former club Rangers, then AZ Alkmaar’s Owen Wijndal fits the bill.
The 22-year-old Dutchman is an overlapping left-back who loves to get forward and attack. By doing this he is more likely to receive the ball in dangerous areas, hence why his “xG from ball possession” figure is high (68 out of 99) on the graphic below — which, encouragingly, remains high after adjusting for the standard of the Premier League.
Wijndal is similar to Hickey on the ball in his style; he’s unlikely to play longer balls upfield (progressive passing 7 out of 99), and off the ball, he doesn’t make a ton of defensive actions, either (disrupting opposition moves 16 out of 99), but he’s good at preventing the opposition from progressing further (defending impact 80 out of 99).
Elsewhere, Marvelous Nakamba’s knee injury has also left Villa a little light in defensive midfield.
If they were to recruit in this area, it would only be to strengthen the department, rather than simply add to the numbers. Kalvin Phillips is a player Villa strongly admire but the difficulty of getting him out of Leeds if they remain a Premier League club makes it a non-starter for now.
Southampton’s James Ward-Prowse was targeted over the summer but a deal was too expensive to put together and the England international signed a contract extension soon after.
His midfield team-mate, Oriel Romeu, was also considered and has made a significant impact on this season so far with his high volume of defensive actions, shown in red on the graphic below.
The most interesting name linked with Villa is certainly Rangers’ Glen Kamara. He’s the star of the team and capable of playing in more of a holding role within a midfield three (or two) or more advanced on the left of a three.
Kamara is similar to Nakamba in style as he doesn’t offer much in the way of attack, but he will keep it simple in possession (link-up play volume 96 out of 99) and keep possession at an above-average rate for his position (ball retention ability 66 out of 99).
Off the ball, Kamara is active in picking up loose balls and blocking passes (ball recoveries and interceptions 60 out of 99), and as you can see from his duel ratings below — which adjust for the strength of the opponent that a player faces — he’s good in a one-v-one situation.
The difficulty Villa might have is that Kamara only recently signed a new contract at Ibrox, and Gerrard may also give his former club a grace period before returning back to poach their top talent.
If that is the case then Kamara will certainly come back into the equation in the summer with Gerrard recently saying: “We’ve identified where we need some support and the targets that we are trying to bring in.
“If we manage to execute those targets in this window, I think the fans can be excited. If we can make that happen in this window, great. If not, it might be a case of being patient and waiting until the summer. We are actively looking to improve things.”
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 10:58:55 AM
Post by: ROBBO on January 05, 2022, 11:07:15 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Can't say Nat Phillips is very inspiring.Unforgettable
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 11:22:31 AM
I want exciting signings that are also sensible. I want ones where we think, bloody hell, how did we get him. And, oh, looks like we mean business type signings.
I want signings that make Ollie Watkins, SJM and Martinez think - bloody hell I would be crazy to leave
I know I'm asking a lot - but I think that is the only way we move forward.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 11:27:44 AM
Can't say Nat Phillips is very inspiring.Unforgettable
That's what he's not.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 11:33:40 AM
Has there actually been any official confirmation that Axel has gone back to Man U?
I saw it confirmed on the Beeb.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 11:37:41 AM
Has there actually been any official confirmation that Axel has gone back to Man U?
I saw it confirmed on the Beeb.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59857499
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 12:29:03 PM
The Athletic's take on our likely January business:What a load of absolute pointless fucking waffle. Were they paid per word? It’s amusing anyone is paying them at all for that shit.Quote
Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements
By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 12:57:42 PM
I dont just want sensible signings
I want exciting signings that are also sensible. I want ones where we think, bloody hell, how did we get him. And, oh, looks like we mean business type signings.
I want signings that make Ollie Watkins, SJM and Martinez think - bloody hell I would be crazy to leave
I know I'm asking a lot - but I think that is the only way we move forward.
Bailey was a statement signing. Arguably Buendia was too, beating Arsenal to him. I'm sure there were plenty of clubs keen on Ings higher than us in the table. There is also the reality of where we are in the table currently and the level of player we can realistically attract as a result. Losing our former no.10 last summer doesnt help, he was surely a big draw for the likes of Watkins and other attacking players. This time last year we looked to be going places, it's hard to know now.
I prefer well thought out signings. Often the 'statement' ones are panic, Collymore for example but even Scott Hogan in the past or more recently Ings. Shift the team around to accommodate them to the detriment of results.
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 01:01:10 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 01:32:32 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 01:37:01 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.
....and a decent matchday catering manager. ;)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
Pie in the Sky mate.after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.
....and a decent matchday catering manager. ;)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 01:59:21 PM
Meanwhile it’s being reported we’re negotiating a loan deal for Coutinho with Barca. Not usually a fan of loans but would be with this one, could be a fantastic player but a loan would be the safe way to see if his head and heart are still in it.
Wish we’d have done that with Curcic and Collymore really.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:01:32 PM
Trying to negotiate a loan for Countinho till the end of the season, according to a Barca based journalist Helena Condis Edo.
I just don't see us spunking out for 6 months like that. Maybe if we were in sight of the Champions League spots.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
Trying to negotiate a loan for Countinho till the end of the season, according to a Barca based journalist Helena Condis Edo.
ooh. Bit old but beats Nat Phillips.
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:05:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.
....and a decent matchday catering manager. ;)
Maybe look to poach them from Reading rather than SHA.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1478055197712826369
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1477654462269435904
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 05, 2022, 02:13:32 PM
Did Coutinho play with Gerrard?
Yes in the FA cup semi same team (that we beat ;))
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
Did Coutinho play with Gerrard?
Yes. Many pics of them on and off the pitch going about. I guess this is the exciting one he referred to. You do really need a big hard bastard in midfield though.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
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Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 02:31:32 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
Where’s he going to play? Moreover who will he replace?
Wherever he likes!
Pick a player. Any player.
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 02:36:22 PM
Anyone else from Liverpool's class of '14 that Gerrard could tap-up for us? Dirk Kuyt would work tirelessly wherever we play him.
Aly Cissokho probably isn't up to much.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
There a bit of a lottery with the Athletic. You get a good reporter for your team you get good coverage. We got Gregg Evans. The Tifo football team are also very good, albeit a little too pleased with themselves.The Athletic's take on our likely January business:What a load of absolute pointless fucking waffle. Were they paid per word? It’s amusing anyone is paying them at all for that shit.Quote
Sensible Transfers – Aston Villa: Liverpool defenders, Hickey and Wijndal at full-back and defensive midfield improvements
By Gregg Evans and Mark Carey
Same for the Birmingham Mail. There's other reporters in the group who are very decent for their clubs (eg the Liverpool, Everton, Southampton reporters from those I've heard). Unfortunately the Villa reporters are dreadful and can barely string two words together on the podcasts.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:37:29 PM
Anyone else from Liverpool's class of '14 that Gerrard could tap-up for us? Dirk Kuyt would work tirelessly wherever we play him.
Aly Cissokho probably isn't up to much.
Was he ever?
Post by: Matt C on January 05, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 02:39:20 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
He's earned a few quid.
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:45:42 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Post by: gpbarr on January 05, 2022, 02:48:24 PM
Zakariah, Hickey and Coutinho! Yes please.
add Pele and Maradona and we are all set!
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 02:50:27 PM
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.
That was a couple of years ago.
Having looked the recent stats though, his last goals and assists have come against Villareal, Valencia, Celta Vigo, Sevilla, Ferencvaros and CA Osasuna. So 5 of the 6 have a 'V' in their name....
Post by: caster troy on January 05, 2022, 02:51:33 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
One key pass in 12 games this season apparently. However as I someone on Twitter pointed out, two years ago we signed Borja Baston so I am certainly not going to complain about this one. Romano has confirmed the negotiations so the rumours seem legit, however I just can't see it happening as we never pull off signings like these and I've been let down too many times before (Juninho, McCarthy, Sneijder and the rest).
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
They were both in their mid-thirties though. Actually in Pires case late thirties.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 02:54:20 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Well he missed most of last season for Barcelona with a knee injury. Season before that, while we were staying up by the skin of our teeth, he helped Bayern win the League, Champions league and German Cup.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 02:54:27 PM
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Scored 1 in 3 for Bayern Munich.
That was a couple of years ago.
Having looked the recent stats though, his last goals and assists have come against Villareal, Valencia, Celta Vigo, Sevilla, Ferencvaros and CA Osasuna. So 5 of the 6 have a 'V' in their name....
*shrugs* they're a basket case these days and he barely plays.
He'd improve us. Him and Buendia as inside forwards would be saucy. If we can button up the defensive midfielder role, then we actually actually a balanced midfield all over.
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 02:55:46 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
They were both in their mid-thirties though. Actually in Pires case late thirties.
I’m no follower of Barca, but has he played much or done much in recent times? Didn’t he have a serious knee injury that needed surgery twice. Hope it works out but seems a bit of a vanity signing and an expensive experiment
Post by: Drummond on January 05, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
Has he actually done anything of late?
Well he missed most of last season for Barcelona with a knee injury. Season before that, while we were staying up by the skin of our teeth, he helped Bayern win the League, Champions league and German Cup.
It doesn't matter where we were two years ago if he's not at it now. I'm not convinced.
Having said that, what an absolutely top player he was for Liverpool. If he can do close to that for us I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 02:56:42 PM
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
More of a Paul Merson imho. One of our best players of the past 25 years.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 02:57:56 PM
Has Bissouma been cleared of his 'difficulties' yet? If he has then I can't think of a better fit for us at DM.
Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.
I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with this pining for Bissouma, and this is not directly aiming at you Chris, but he's not in some land dispute with his neighbour, he's been arrested and bailed for sexual assault.
We shouldn't be anywhere near signing him.
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 02:59:10 PM
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:01:18 PM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
Gregory was certainly anti-flares, that's why he backed out of signing Keane from Wulvz.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 03:03:07 PM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
Gregory was certainly anti-flares, that's why he backed out of signing Keane from Wulvz.
It's also why Gustavo Bartelt never got a game while on loan from Roma. Health and safety gone mad.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
I think he's an outstanding player who would suit our needs perfectly.Has Bissouma been cleared of his 'difficulties' yet? If he has then I can't think of a better fit for us at DM.
Obviously if it's ongoing then we'll have to look elsewhere.
I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with this pining for Bissouma, and this is not directly aiming at you Chris, but he's not in some land dispute with his neighbour, he's been arrested and bailed for sexual assault.
We shouldn't be anywhere near signing him.
I don't know any detail of the charges he's facing, but If he's cleared of the accusations (and I don't mean on a technicality) then I'd take him. If not, then not.
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:05:16 PM
And on the plus side, the manager knows his game about as well as anyone on the planet, having played with him for two years at Liverpool. So he knows his game, but he also knows 'him' as a person, and what he's like on the training ground and in the dressing room. It's about as opposite to 'unknown quantity' as it's possible to get.
If it comes off, colour me excited!
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:07:07 PM
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 03:07:27 PM
The Gerrard effect.
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 03:08:51 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 03:10:48 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
Nope, there is always risk.
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2022, 03:13:07 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
More of a Paul Merson imho. One of our best players of the past 25 years.
That would be most excellent wouldn’t it
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 03:14:16 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:15:19 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
Nope, there is always risk.
Indeed, and when I first saw the link, I thought "Barca just need him off the wage bill to sign Torres, and he must be in his early thirties by now, so not sure". But seeing he's only 29 has changed my mind. He could have another 5 years at the top level, and will be motivated even if it's only on loan. He certainly did well on loan at Bayern.
Put it this way, if he signs on loan for some other Premier League team, I'll be disappointed knowing they've got a good player.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
No, as I said in my post.
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 03:17:01 PM
I won't turn my nose up at him, but nor to I think he's a guaranteed success. I guess that's where we are at the minute.
Is there anyone who we (or anyone else) could sign who would be a guaranteed success?
Grealish
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:20:08 PM
Surely with a view to a permanent move so very little risk.
My balls are tingling.
Post by: Smithy on January 05, 2022, 03:22:11 PM
Well he's being linked to liverpool and Arsenal on the interweb so lets not get our hopes up just yet :-X
If it's a permanent move, then yes, Liverpool, in particular, would be attractive to him. But if it's a loan for the rest of the season, and he's already cup-tied in Europe, he'd want to know he has the best chance of playing week in week out domestically, right? - and that's here, surely?
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Well he's being linked to liverpool and Arsenal on the interweb so lets not get our hopes up just yet :-X
Don't think Liverpool need him? Arsenal don't either.
He's coming to B6. It's happening.
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 03:25:13 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:26:20 PM
He's our boy from Brazil and he's got all the skill it's Coutinho
🇧🇷😍
Post by: Goldenballs on January 05, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 03:31:14 PM
8)
Post by: sid1964 on January 05, 2022, 03:41:21 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
Oh. Didn't want him anyway tbh he's shit.Dodged a bullet
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 03:52:11 PM
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Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 03:54:41 PM
On SKY's transfer talk at lunchtime, they said Villa were not interested in Coutinho
That surely means he'll arrive after lunch and SKY will flap about saying how out of the blue the transfer is, like a deal from yester year.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
And yes, DM and LB etc should still be priority.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 04:18:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 04:21:16 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I’m not sure he was worse for Villa than Drinkwater. Worse overall yes, but for Villa Drinkwater was an absolute horror show.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:21:35 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 05, 2022, 04:28:27 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
Post by: The Edge on January 05, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
2/5 on villaWho is?
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 04:31:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:35:10 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:36:48 PM
Romano's whole schtick is always being right, so if he's stuck his head over the parapet then there's got to be something in it.
Hahahahahah! SB, if someone prides themselves on being accurate, that's not a 'schtick'!
Post by: LeonW on January 05, 2022, 04:37:21 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
2/5 on villaWho is?
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
To win the Champions League within the next 3 years.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
2/5 on villaWho is?
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
coutinho
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2022, 04:42:29 PM
Romano's whole schtick is always being right, so if he's stuck his head over the parapet then there's got to be something in it.
Hahahahahah! SB, if someone prides themselves on being accurate, that's not a 'schtick'!
you obviously didn't see when he accidently posted then deleted that video confirming a transfer that didn't happen or how he reacted when he was outed. 8)
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
I've never known a player tire like him, at 60 minutes he may as well have put his nightshirt on and lay down in the middle of the pitch. He must have been on 60 a day.and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:43:52 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 05, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
He’s no Borja Baston
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently
To be fair though, Bowery was a cheap punt from Chesterfield, not a Colombian international from La Liga.
Expectations are somewhat different, although output wasn't.
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently
Is the correct answer.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 04:46:57 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I’m going all in with Jordan Bowery. Sanchez once marked Messi out of a game for Colombia. Apparently
Messi will have been hungover and a snot factory in homage to his elder, better and previous occupant of that number 10 shirt.
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 04:47:55 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
What did Gerrard say?
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:48:40 PM
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:50:28 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2022, 04:50:33 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 05, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
2/5 on villaWho is?
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
coutinho
Ok, can I get 5/2 on him not coming? Otherwise the odds are assymetric.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:51:09 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:53:01 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.
Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on January 05, 2022, 04:53:19 PM
Post by: Pete on January 05, 2022, 04:53:28 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
*Shudder* Truly dreadful.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
Worse player I ever saw was David Hunt , might have been a signing from notts county , obviously cost a packet of pork scratching.
I believe he was signed the same day as we signed Andy Blair. He was a bit it a non entity but didn’t play much from what I recall. And when he did want it in Div 2?
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:54:48 PM
Worse player I ever saw was David Hunt , might have been a signing from notts county , obviously cost a packet of pork scratching.
That's a good shout.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 04:55:51 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.
Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.
But he was utter, utter shit. And even if we had given his former team a bag of balls and bibs we’d have paid too much.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 04:56:32 PM
2/5 on villaWho is?
20/1 arsenal
oddchecker
coutinho
Ok, can I get 5/2 on him not coming? Otherwise the odds are assymetric.
swap for trez
Post by: Dave P on January 05, 2022, 04:58:50 PM
and is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
Hardly played. Sanchez was given the rope to hang himself, and fucking hell, he made daisy chains out of it before he did so. I've never seen a worse performance by a professional footballer than his in a 5-0 defeat at Arsenal.
We had 3 years in the championship and still the worse players come from those premier league years 2012-16
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2022, 04:58:57 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 04:59:25 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
And your Eastern European reference suddenly allows to advocates Alex Tonev as an alternate to Jordan Bowery as our worst ever signing.
Again, it's relative to outlay. Tonev was relatively cheap, and clearly for a reason. A hopeful punt if you like, much like his shots.
But he was utter, utter shit
No doubt. But Balaban was the same as signing Bailey now and him turning out like Tonev.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2022, 04:59:44 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 05, 2022, 05:00:53 PM
Is the Coutinho link real then?
No, Barcelona. Badoom tish.
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 05:01:57 PM
Eh Hamadi was pretty poor too - another one that ran about 5 yards behind any opposition player with the ball.
World hide and seek champion though - as demonstrated by every time we had the ball and he found the nearest opposition player to hide behind.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:03:30 PM
Eh Hamadi was pretty poor too - another one that ran about 5 yards behind any opposition player with the ball.
World hide and seek champion though - as demonstrated by every time we had the ball and he found the nearest opposition player to hide behind.
He was like an empty crisp packet, floating around the pitch having no affect on proceedings.
Post by: Villan82 on January 05, 2022, 05:06:06 PM
Pound for pound, has to be Balaban.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:07:16 PM
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
1) Anybody with half a brain could see it was going to be a disaster. Hadn't played for two years, mostly due to injuries received from getting beaten up for being a twat.
2) His actual performances were dire as well, and made us worse on the pitch.
3) He's a real wrong 'un with a terrible attitude, as shown by butting his own teammate Jota in training. A player obviously much smaller and less physical than him, which marks him as a coward and a bully. Extra c*** marks for thinking that a Google translate apology was suitable.
4) Rumoured wages of £100K a week we were paying.
Post by: darren woolley on January 05, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on January 05, 2022, 05:10:19 PM
I hope we get Coutinho would be a great signing.Yep, potentially very exciting.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 05:11:14 PM
I'd still chuck in N'Zogbia. Talented, but never performed for us. The lazy bag of shite. Ireland was similarly useless.
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2022, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
If he wants a relegation battle
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:14:01 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.That one goal though! And the best nicknamed players I can think of.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
after a DM, full backs are the biggest need based on the way Gerrard wants to play.
....and a decent matchday catering manager. ;)
Maybe look to poach them from Reading rather than SHA.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1478055197712826369
https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyScran/status/1477654462269435904
😂
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2022, 05:15:16 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.That one goal though! And the best nicknamed players I can think of.
I was there for that goal. Limbs, as the kids say.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:15:36 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.That one goal though! And the best nicknamed players I can think of.
The 'hands behind the back' defending.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
I fucking hated, wait, still hate Stephen Ireland. Wanker.
Fcukin player of the season too.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:17:04 PM
I fucking hated, wait, still hate Stephen Ireland. Wanker.
Fcukin player of the season too.
I know, disgraceful.
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 05:19:56 PM
Is Tony Moon still available? We do need a left back as cover.That one goal though! And the best nicknamed players I can think of.
The 'hands behind the back' defending.
The pornography.
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 05:20:48 PM
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:21:03 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
This would be a very good start.
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:25:30 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 05:26:08 PM
Xmas first class post. Useless.Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
😂
I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2022, 05:29:19 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
😂
I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂
Good effort mate, I'm sure the Mail would give you a job.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
😂
I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂
Rumours of Matty Cash on a permanent from Forest. Wink.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 05, 2022, 05:38:29 PM
Didn't we have a player called Dean Glover in the 80s? Do any of you old 'uns recall if he had a good peg on him? Always sounds like a character from Emmerdale Farm.
I think he was moved from centre half to midfield. Good feet but too slow. He scored a good goal on the League cup quarters against Arsenal. We won the replay at Highbury and with Oxford in the semi, Doug declared that "the future looks exciting"
That statement was followed by a humbling at Oxford, barely escaped relegation, then finished bottom the next season.
Great times
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 05:44:58 PM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
😂
I literally had just heard and wanted to be the first, however I reckon I’m 4 pages too late 😂
Good effort mate, I'm sure the Mail would give you a job.
Rumours of Matty Cash on a permanent from Forest. Wink.
Steady on, I’ve got feelings you know 😂
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 05:46:11 PM
https://twitter.com/barcauniversal/status/1478750426778402817?s=21
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 05:49:55 PM
Cunting Sky claiming he’s coming back to 1 out of 5 possible clubs when everyone else seems to think we’re in pole position and it’s almost there. I suppose it’s to keep all the Newcastle, Arsenal and Liverpool fans tuning in to hear the latest. Wankers.Yes I saw that.
Considering they normally can’t keep their inane fucking jabberings to themselves, when there is a genuine rumour concerning Villa they go fucking mute.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Because I'm always wrong about everything, I confidently predict that this will be a disaster.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 05:59:21 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 06:02:18 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
Not like you to look on the bright side, bronte!
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 06:10:59 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 06:12:35 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 06:14:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 06:19:02 PM
I suppose at nearly 30 Coutinho is far too young to retire at Newcastle so we should have him for a season.
Plus he's not played a lot in the past 2 years anyway. He's got loads left in the tank.
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2022, 06:35:56 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 06:41:55 PM
I suppose at nearly 30 Coutinho is far too young to retire at Newcastle so we should have him for a season.
Plus he's not played a lot in the past 2 years anyway. He's got loads left in the tank.
Or is he in semi retirement already like any amount of attacking Brazilian players once they hit their late 20s? Kaka and Ronaldinho come to mind.
Post by: Lsvilla on January 05, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 06:47:40 PM
In the worst ever signing chat, I'd really have to say it's Drinkwater. Players like Bowery and Tonev were utterly dreadful of course, but they were cheap punts. What makes Drinkwater the clear winner for me though:
1) Anybody with half a brain could see it was going to be a disaster. Hadn't played for two years, mostly due to injuries received from getting beaten up for being a twat.
2) His actual performances were dire as well, and made us worse on the pitch.
3) He's a real wrong 'un with a terrible attitude, as shown by butting his own teammate Jota in training. A player obviously much smaller and less physical than him, which marks him as a coward and a bully. Extra c*** marks for thinking that a Google translate apology was suitable.
4) Rumoured wages of £100K a week we were paying.
Agreed on Drinkwater. His debut against Man City is a low that no player will ever come near. Deano made a terrible error of judgement there.
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.Yes, how I feel about it.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Post by: Ad@m on January 05, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
Didn't we have a player called Dean Glover in the 80s? Do any of you old 'uns recall if he had a good peg on him? Always sounds like a character from Emmerdale Farm.
I think he was moved from centre half to midfield. Good feet but too slow. He scored a good goal on the League cup quarters against Arsenal. We won the replay at Highbury and with Oxford in the semi, Doug declared that "the future looks exciting"
That statement was followed by a humbling at Oxford, barely escaped relegation, then finished bottom the next season.
Great times
As far as rubbish claims to fame go, this takes some beating.
Someone my mum worked with lived next door to Dean Glover when he played for Port Vale. As a young football fan in the 80s she thought I'd be impressed if she introduced me to him at his house.
Turns out I wasn't!
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.
Post by: enigma on January 05, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 07:04:01 PM
Pound for pound, it's still got to be Balaban.
That was serious money at the time, and he didn't even look like a footballer.
How bad could he have been? I barely remember him in a Villa shirt. Played Champs League for Brugge afterwards and for Croatia. Was there a bit more as to why he hardly got a chance with us?
From our stint in the second tier, Toss McCormack, Henri Lansbury and Scott Hogan will never be forgotten, three terrible professionals and big money flops. Kalinic, Bunn, Nyland three utterly useless keepers aswell. Micah Richards efforts in a cup game against was it Yeovil? Drinkwater esque.
Post by: usav on January 05, 2022, 07:11:17 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.
No less than Traoré would.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 07:13:22 PM
Buendia and Coutinho can play in the same team. They prefer different sides anyway, and Gerrard likes the ' two 10s' thing.Will Coutinho do the pressing required for Premier League sides? - I don't recall him being the sort of player who will.
No less than Traoré would.
I’d rather see Coutinho stroll round on the pitch than Traore
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 07:14:52 PM
Bloody hell, wait til he hears Joes gone to Man CityXmas first class post. Useless.Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
How is scoring 1 in 3 (8 in 23) and winning the European Cup bombing or in free fall?
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 07:25:56 PM
It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing. If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things.
Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places.
So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.
Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really ;D ;D
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 07:32:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 07:33:13 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 05, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
Another waster :)
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 07:37:49 PM
Moan o'clock.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 07:39:51 PM
Approached Bologna for Aaron Hickey so says Rob Dorsett.
Be over the moon if this transfer comes off. Looks quality.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 05, 2022, 07:44:24 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 05, 2022, 08:00:13 PM
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
How is scoring 1 in 3 (8 in 23) and winning the European Cup bombing or in free fall?
Don’t get me wrong I want Coutinho and Bronty is a right miseryarse but Coutinho isn’t the same player he was or he wouldn’t be getting loaned out
Obviously there is some risk, but Gerrard might be able to bring the spark back, if he can it’s boom boom days
Barca aren’t that desperate for the money they just shelled 50ml to Man City
but I’m all for it and it also puts us into the big signings/Loans league
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2022, 08:16:15 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.Yes, how I feel about it.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
I allow for the possibility that with the Gerrard connection (and if Gerrard truly wants him + wants to stake his reputation on him) it could work.
But I wouldn't be distraught if he ended up at Newcastle.
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2022, 08:20:09 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 05, 2022, 08:24:53 PM
Post by: aev on January 05, 2022, 08:28:00 PM
Think it makes sense - Bailey's is apparently out for another few months, we have some good kids, but still at the learning stage.
It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing. If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things.
Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places.
So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.
Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really ;D ;D
I thought Bailey was meant to be back soon?
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 08:29:41 PM
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 08:30:35 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.
Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.
Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 08:32:09 PM
Really? He’s not passed it yet, not by a long way. This would be so brilliant if true.We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.Yes, how I feel about it.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Someone on Twitter said he was out for 10 - 12 weeks, to be fair, I have just tired to find it and cant. Most seem to be saying sooner - so that might actually be rubbish.Think it makes sense - Bailey's is apparently out for another few months, we have some good kids, but still at the learning stage.
It would be realitively low risk, could be amazing. If its shit then not much lost in the scheme of things.
Let face it if he can help turn a two draws into a win, thats 4 points - which is probably 1 or 2 league places.
So long as this is a "punt" and were still looking for better full backs and a DM then happy days.
Plus if it goes wrong, its got gerrard all over it so I can get indignant about it - so win, win really ;D ;D
I thought Bailey was meant to be back soon?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2022, 08:36:40 PM
We are signing Coutinho (apparently) so why am I not excited.
Got that Pires and Ginola feel to it.
Pires could barely walk , Ginola was very pretty
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 05, 2022, 08:38:18 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.
Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.
Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.
Weren’t we linked with Aubameyang that summer too? Imagine what lambert could’ve done to their careers.
Post by: achilles on January 05, 2022, 08:39:53 PM
Approached Bologna for Aaron Hickey so says Rob Dorsett.
Be over the moon if this transfer comes off. Looks quality.
This for me, reminds me of Gidman and that brings back good memories!
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 08:47:27 PM
I'm sure we were linked with Coutinho when he was an Inter Milan player before Liverpool came in for him.
Yup. Apparently we'd agreed to sign him for £10m under Lambert when Liverpool then popped up.
Shades of Arsenal beating us to Ljungberg back in the day.
Weren’t we linked with Aubameyang that summer too? Imagine what lambert could’ve done to their careers.
I don't remember that one myself.
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2022, 08:50:25 PM
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent. Back at Barca with or without Messi he has made little impact. Dembele has also bombed at Barca after they spent huge money on him so maybe the club is the issue.
Post by: LukeJames on January 05, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
Post by: achilles on January 05, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
To be fair he didn't bomb at Bayern. He won the Champions league with them. He generally did well there. As for Barca, God only knows why they bought him as they had Messi playing in his position and it's just a basket case of a club right now.Coutinho would be in line with Gerrard’s comments about an exciting player, but I’d be surprised if he arrived here.
Coutinho's career is in free fall. Bombed spectacularly at Barca and even Bayern on loan. His options, bar playing for the Saudis in Newcastle, may be limited enough. Reeks of Bale or Hazard to me.
Seems a strange enough link given we spent huge money on Buendia in the summer in the same position and arguably he gave his best display for the club last game.
From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent. Back at Barca with or without Messi he has made little impact. Dembele has also bombed at Barca after they spent huge money on him so maybe the club is the issue.
Bayern only have about five regular first teamers the rest rotate and I would take any of their bench!
Barca are a fruit-case of a club and have no idea of what they are trying to achieve anymore except how to get into yet more debt!
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.Looks like its never to late for the Villa to kill a career
Post by: Allan C on January 05, 2022, 09:02:14 PM
Gestede the worst player I’ve seen in a Villa shirt in my 50 years of supportand is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2022, 09:02:21 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.Looks like its never to late for the Villa to kill a career
he would have been just excellent
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2022, 09:08:36 PM
From what I recall he struggled to make the Bayern starting line up and they obviously didn't make the move permanent.
Not making the starting lineup regularly for the Champions League winners and not convincing them to spend £50m on him, doesn't mean that he wouldn't be a handy guy to have in our team for six months.
Post by: nigel on January 05, 2022, 09:34:11 PM
Bloody hell, wait til he hears Joes gone to Man CityXmas first class post. Useless.Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Bugger off, you 😂
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 09:45:16 PM
I can't wait.
Coutinho my lord, Coutinho. Oh lord, Coutinho.
We've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho, we've got Coutinho (tune: that Italian classical piece)
He's magic you know, little Philippe Coutinho.
8)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
I suspect he will buy a load of mediocre Rangers players - no better than the likes of Trez and AEG.Gerrard is currently lining up deals for Jean-Alain Boumsong, Jörg Albertz, Shota Arveladze & Richard Gough
Bloody hell, I was excited then until I read Richard Gough and vaguely remembered who the others were.
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:00:08 PM
Who is this?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 05, 2022, 10:00:30 PM
gerrard must have a tenner on it
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2022, 10:00:44 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 10:03:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:05:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.
I'm taking it as fact.
Coutinho, agreement reached 8)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 05, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2022, 10:13:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.
I'm taking it as fact.
Coutinho, agreement reached 8)
Never heard of the guy but he's been big on this story last few days (before BBC ran with it) and also had a picture of Trippier getting on plan to go to Newcastle so he has some connections.
Very interesting link and pleased it's moving fast. Arguably one of our biggest signings in recent times as despite him going a bit dormant he's still played for Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Barca in last 5 years and well known around the world.
Would be big boost to get him in for both Man. United games as we'll certainly be getting plenty of space in central areas in those games.
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:22:05 PM
Imagine how different Coutinho's career could have been after a couple of years with Lambert.I think he would have struggled with the legendary Tom Cleverley holding down the number 10 slot.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 05, 2022, 10:22:42 PM
Also says another signing is close.
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:23:19 PM
Well if Simon says.....https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
Post by: Ian. on January 05, 2022, 10:24:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.
I'm taking it as fact.
Coutinho, agreement reached 8)
Hope you and Simon are right on this one, it’s bloody exciting if true.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.
I'm taking it as fact.
Coutinho, agreement reached 8)
Never heard of the guy but he's been big on this story last few days (before BBC ran with it) and also had a picture of Trippier getting on plan to go to Newcastle so he has some connections.
Very interesting link and pleased it's moving fast. Arguably one of our biggest signings in recent times as despite him going a bit dormant he's still played for Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Barca in last 5 years and well known around the world.
Would be big boost to get him in for both Man. United games as we'll certainly be getting plenty of space in central areas in those games.
The Spanish based links I posted earlier are much more reliable. The one being one of the leading speakers on behalf of Barcelona. Both are aligned in Coutinho joining us.
Post by: Smirker on January 05, 2022, 10:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Simon_Dobson_/status/1478847998104940548Simon from Twitter
Who is this?
32k followers, guessing it isn't some random user.
I'm taking it as fact.
Coutinho, agreement reached 8)
Hope you and Simon are right on this one, it’s bloody exciting if true.
Too right mate. If people can't get excited by this then I don't know what else to say.
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2022, 10:32:02 PM
Telegram you mean but I guess you are far too young to know any better.Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2022, 10:36:01 PM
This would be one of THE biggest transfers in our history. Hopefully, the second signing is Hickey. Then on to the DCM.
Would expect another CB in late but yes that would be excellent window as covers the positions we really need to fill in next 6 months and gives us time to shape a really good first 11 for 22/23.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2022, 10:36:30 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:38:54 PM
This would be one of THE biggest transfers in our history. Hopefully, the second signing is Hickey. Then on to the DCM.
Would expect another CB in late but yes that would be excellent window as covers the positions we really need to fill in next 6 months and gives us time to shape a really good first 11 for 22/23.
I forgot about the centre back. Too soon for Feeney and Bogarde to step up I guess.
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?
Post by: Steve67 on January 05, 2022, 10:42:03 PM
Massive if, but if he signs, what is the work permit situation like?
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?
Only because the Home Office are all off with Covid!! Seriously though, shouldn't be a problem at all.
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2022, 10:42:49 PM
If this happens, whether it works or not, it's a ballsy statement of intent by the club.
£100m+ plus player. That's erm, yeah, alright that.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 10:44:09 PM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.
We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.
My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:53:19 PM
If this happens, whether it works or not, it's a ballsy statement of intent by the club.
£100m+ plus player. That's erm, yeah, alright that.
We sold one for that price who based on true market prices isn’t at that level. Philippe Coutinho is legitimately world class. The stuff he has done in his career so far is frankly remarkable. He will be arguably the best big money signing we have ever made if he comes close to his best form.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 10:54:56 PM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.
We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.
Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2022, 11:02:35 PM
Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent
You'll have to ask SR, I've never seen Kacper play. He's gone straight out on loan to Union SG so probably not.
Either way I'll guess we'll just have to settle for Coutinho. *sigh*
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 05, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
Gestede the worst player I’ve seen in a Villa shirt in my 50 years of supportand is not, Simon Dawkins, truly the worst ‘player’ ever to don a villa shirt.
I'll raise you a Carlos Sanchez.
I'll raise you a Tommy Craig....
I'm too young for Tommy Craig, but I will not accept that we had a worse player than Carlos Sanchez (and I include Ally Sissokho in that).
Djemba Djemba?
I agree with Rissos Drinkwater remarks. But for pure lack of footballing ability its this for me. One of my low points in many low points of watching Villa over the last 40 years, is a freezing Midweek January, FA Cup replay against Wycome in 2016. We won 2-0, but we were rot and Gestede literally didnt know where to run to in the box. Not a horrible twat like Drinkwater but just a really shite footballer.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 11:29:49 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2022, 11:33:56 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 05, 2022, 11:44:15 PM
Way too much smoke about Coutinho now for it not to be true - Odds have shortened further too, and bookies don't tend to mess around with this stuff.
Unbelievable signing - The Brazilian Paul Merson! 😀
Post by: KevinGage on January 05, 2022, 11:49:58 PM
Yes Gestede was comically bad. He was OK for punting the ball up to, but ask him to run with the ball in space, and it was like watching a baby giraffe trying to dribble with a space hopper. He couldn't run with the ball, at all.
There were some totally out of character mid-lights.
The goal against Bournemouth on his debut, the B-lose goal in the cup and the overhead kick against Forest in the Trampionship.
But for 99.9 per cent of his time with us he looked like he was playing a different sport.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2022, 11:55:34 PM
Yes Gestede was comically bad. He was OK for punting the ball up to, but ask him to run with the ball in space, and it was like watching a baby giraffe trying to dribble with a space hopper. He couldn't run with the ball, at all.
Gestede wasn’t good. But bullet headers at Anfield and against the Noses eliminates him entirely from the competition when you consider who else is in the running for the title of worst ever.
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 12:00:04 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 12:07:48 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.
Most players can only dream about a right foot like his. But you might want to check out goal 2 in this collection to see how wide of the mark your statement is.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2022, 12:11:00 AM
Without scrolling back, just heard Coutinio on loan
Did you receive that by telegraph?
Jesus. A telecoms engineer as well. Stick to caravans mate.😉
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2022, 12:23:21 AM
Massive if, but if he signs, what is the work permit situation like?
Would we have to wait weeks for him to be available? Anyone have any idea?
Only because the Home Office are all off with Covid!! Seriously though, shouldn't be a problem at all.
Margaret Byrne won't be a turd in the punchbowl this time so we should be grand.
Post by: LukeJames on January 06, 2022, 12:42:27 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on January 06, 2022, 12:53:15 AM
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:20:09 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.
Most players can only dream about a right foot like his. But you might want to check out goal 2 in this collection to see how wide of the mark your statement is.
How wide of the mark my statement is?
You literally just posted a video of the guy scoring 15 goals with his right foot and told me to look at #2.
If you are going to pick a highlight reel show one that displays his talents in possession. Then you can see the lengths he goes to to avoid using his left foot.
Here.. watch something a little more recent,
and just for the record, I am excited as all hell if we can pull it off. Low-risk, 6-months, goals.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 01:38:46 AM
Post by: Arsey on January 06, 2022, 01:41:24 AM
I would welcome Coutinho, but I’m not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe.
Bertie
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:44:28 AM
Well you said that “you’re not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe”. Which is one hell of a statement when we are talking about one of the very best overall footballers. So if he even scores just once from long range that pretty much defeats the argument. Because I’m pretty sure there are lots of worse players than him across all the leagues and certainly many who cannot shoot and score from that range with both feet.
::) Okay
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 03:49:02 AM
Well you said that “you’re not sure there is a more one footed player in Europe”. Which is one hell of a statement when we are talking about one of the very best overall footballers. So if he even scores just once from long range that pretty much defeats the argument. Because I’m pretty sure there are lots of worse players than him across all the leagues and certainly many who cannot shoot and score from that range with both feet.
::) Okay
2 and 7 were both left foot goals..
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 04:28:17 AM
Seriously though if we sign Coutinho and Hickey we will have signed two very very good players.
Post by: ROBBO on January 06, 2022, 04:37:20 AM
Post by: JD on January 06, 2022, 04:42:24 AM
Memory may be playing tricks but wasn't we in for him before he went to Liverpool?
It's mentioned a few pages back Robbo, we were interested.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2022, 06:19:32 AM
Interested is the same as replying “oh that’s interesting” when what you really mean is “ I could not give a fuck”Memory may be playing tricks but wasn't we in for him before he went to Liverpool?
It's mentioned a few pages back Robbo, we were interested.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 06, 2022, 06:40:44 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2022, 06:45:57 AM
If he does sign that would indicate they've not given up on Europe this season. No point in signing a player like that just to see outvthe remaining games.it’s reported as a loan with an option to buy.
So if it works out for both parties, he could be here next season.
I think it will take more than Coutinho to get us any where near Europe. I think that ship has sailed.
Post by: sid1964 on January 06, 2022, 06:51:14 AM
Also would this mean that Carney will be off at the end of this season?
Does anyone know the 5 other premier league clubs interested in signing him?
Post by: ROBBO on January 06, 2022, 07:10:31 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 06, 2022, 07:11:30 AM
So are we buying or loaning him? Perhaps a loan with option to buy at the end?
The young left back Hickey sounds promising, but I would like Digne from Everton, genuine quality there and creates plenty from left back and has the aggression that Gerrard wants us to play with.
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
So if we sign Coutinho (which I doubt) then he will want to be guaranteed to start every game he is fit to play in - so who drops out the team
Also would this mean that Carney will be off at the end of this season?
Does anyone know the 5 other premier league clubs interested in signing him?
Signing the calibre of Coutinho will help our youngsters and may keep them here longer and as regards who drops out the team, leaving a player out for someone this good is a good thing isn’t it?
That’s like saying we will never upgrade anyone again.
This is rather exciting I do hope it’s true.
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 07:39:31 AM
Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 07:43:47 AM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 06, 2022, 08:07:34 AM
If we want to end up in the top 6, there is a pojnt when we have to buy some players that make you sit up and show you are serious. Coutinho is a signing that puts Villa on the map, will help attract others and if we get him anywhere near his best, he'll basically replace Grealish.
If he gets near his best it's an upgrade on Joe
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 08:15:20 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.
Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?
I believe so. By his second season he had two number tens.
Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template. It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 06, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin. Give me a break. Cut me some slack.
Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me.
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
It's the "if" in your comment that worries me. Is Coutinho a busted flush?If we want to end up in the top 6, there is a pojnt when we have to buy some players that make you sit up and show you are serious. Coutinho is a signing that puts Villa on the map, will help attract others and if we get him anywhere near his best, he'll basically replace Grealish.If he gets near his best it's an upgrade on Joe
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 06, 2022, 08:58:06 AM
It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.
We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?
Really don't get it??
Post by: cdward on January 06, 2022, 08:59:51 AM
Philippe Coutinho: How did Barcelona's record signing become a bit-part misfit?
Interesting read, if he signs, he may have a point to prove, if Gerrard can fire him up.
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
I think this is basically the Liverpoo model?Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.
Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?
I believe so. By his second season he had two number tens.
Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template. It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 06, 2022, 09:16:07 AM
It's looking like a loan deal, potentially with an option to buy. He tore this league apart in his first stint before being sold to one of the best clubs in the world (*at the time) for £140 million, and could soon be working for a manager where they both have great admiration for each other, a playstyle suited to his skillset and a league where he's proven he can do it. AND he's still in his late 20s.
It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.
We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?
Really don't get it??
Spot on.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 09:28:42 AM
Bowery was our worst player ever in my opinion. That bad I actually felt sorry for him.
He was Cats and Dogs.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 09:30:21 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin. Give me a break. Cut me some slack.
Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me.
Sounds like The Who.
Who's Next?
Hickey, apparently.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 09:32:01 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin. Give me a break. Cut me some slack.
Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me.
Sounds like The Who.
Who's Next?
Hickey, apparently.
Hey Hickey, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
It's looking like a loan deal, potentially with an option to buy. He tore this league apart in his first stint before being sold to one of the best clubs in the world (*at the time) for £140 million, and could soon be working for a manager where they both have great admiration for each other, a playstyle suited to his skillset and a league where he's proven he can do it. AND he's still in his late 20s.
It's a no-brainer for me. Our wingers/attackers are either injured/misfiring/simply not good enough, so I really can't understand the pushback on this one.
We've been crying out for a star signing since Nas and Wes took over. We finally look like we could be getting one, and some people are still unhappy/questioning the signing?
Really don't get it??
Yep, absolute madness. At one point he was one of the top 10 players in the world. If he was still at his absolute peak we'd have no chance of signing him, but I'd take him now even if he's only 80-90% as good as he was. Two years ago he was a part of a Bayern team that won the treble.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 06, 2022, 09:37:36 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 06, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Whether you believe it or not is a different matter. I take a hefty pinch of salt as, being a Villa fan, I feel naked without any pessimism.
We've missed out on Polish wonderkid Kacper Kozlowski, gone to Brighton for 8m.My Polish relations seem to think Kacper Kozlowski will be the next big thing in attacking midfield, a bit Smith-Rowe.
Surely if he was that great he’d be at Dortmund or Atletico who seem to nick a lot of Europe’s too young talent
Off-topic, as it's not a Villa signing, but briefly:
3 goals and 4 assists in 16 games this season. 6 Poland caps. 18 years old
Pogon Szczecin are sat in 2nd just 4 points behind the league leaders. The £8 million could be enough to push "us" to the championship. It surpasses their last record fee by c.£5 million. Such is Polish football.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 09:55:46 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 10:07:36 AM
He's a Champions League standard player. Isn't that what we need in order to push on?
Yes. But this is Villa. He’ll need a month to find match fitness, then when he starts he’ll get injured. He’ll come back for the last 3 games, perform moderately well then sign for PSG in the summer.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 06, 2022, 10:15:09 AM
Ginola was never any good at the press.Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Bit of a slack workrate at times too.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 10:17:25 AM
Ginola was never any good at the press.Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Bit of a slack workrate at times too.
He only came Farrah last big pay day.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 06, 2022, 10:36:25 AM
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 10:41:24 AM
Who was the last player we had who scored regularly from outside the box? Gary Parker? Stan Staunton?
Hourihane
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 10:42:13 AM
Coutinho has the feel of Juninho about it. Its a deal top 6 clubs pull off, not Villa.
Post by: dr.chekov on January 06, 2022, 10:42:39 AM
Who was the last player we had who scored regularly from outside the box? Gary Parker? Stan Staunton?
Hitzlsperger?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 10:43:56 AM
If it does come off I hope it doesn't go all James Rodriguez at Everton. When these players rock-up at clubs "beneath" them, and something goes wobbly (form/injury/manager change), it doesn't usually bode well.
The potential signing reminds me of Rodriguez too. He played well for 9 months, lifted other players, and arguably raised Everton’s profle. The loan aspect should mitigate against the bad sides of the deal (although I think Ancellotti leaving was probably the biggest factor).
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 10:44:03 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.People like to call it two number 10's but for me it's just 3 up top but with the two wider players playing quite narrow. I think we will evolve more to the Liverpool style where Mane and Salah don't play quite as narrow as we are at the moment, but they still rely on their full backs for much of the width.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin. Give me a break. Cut me some slack.
Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me.
As for Coutinho it would be a huge statement. One of the higheest profile transfers we will have made in the last 4o years. How many truly world class players have we signed whilst still young enough to be at their peak? It may not work out, like James at Everton who was decent but cost them a fortune in wages and never kicked them on to where they wanted to be. But in terms of a 'fuck me look at Villa' signing, it would be incredible and hopefully will help us retain our best players as they can see the scale of our ambition.
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 10:50:21 AM
You youts bangin on about 10's and 8's.People like to call it two number 10's but for me it's just 3 up top but with the two wider players playing quite narrow. I think we will evolve more to the Liverpool style where Mane and Salah don't play quite as narrow as we are at the moment, but they still rely on their full backs for much of the width.
I'm an old guy; first game at VP in 1966 v Sunderland.
Number 8 was inside right and number 10 was inside left. I'm talking Tommy Mictham, Brian Godfrey, Peter Broadbent, Lionel Martin. Give me a break. Cut me some slack.
Those were not the days, my friends, but neither are these. It's fucked up, if you ask me.
As for Coutinho it would be a huge statement. One of the higheest profile transfers we will have made in the last 4o years. How many truly world class players have we signed whilst still young enough to be at their peak? It may not work out, like James at Everton who was decent but cost them a fortune in wages and never kicked them on to where they wanted to be. But in terms of a 'fuck me look at Villa' signing, it would be incredible and hopefully will help us retain our best players as they can see the scale of our ambition.
I just fear the info is all on the Spanish end, which makes me wonder if we are being used to flush a Spurs or a Chelsea out.
James at Everton was never going to work with Rafa
Post by: Villan82 on January 06, 2022, 10:52:23 AM
Hourihane??
Coutinho has the feel of Juninho about it. Its a deal top 6 clubs pull off, not Villa.
For most of my life we were seen as a top six club, even when not in the top six places.
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 10:54:03 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 10:55:42 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 10:56:43 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Something makes me think we'll miss out though - probably to somebody like Newcastle (stupid wages) or West Ham (London). Suppose we have the fact Gerrard knows him in our favour.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on January 06, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 11:05:05 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!
It already has (on SHA).
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 11:08:04 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
He was brilliant for Porto.
Post by: PhilVill on January 06, 2022, 11:08:51 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 06, 2022, 11:10:02 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.
The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:10:07 AM
Yes. But this is Villa. He’ll need a month to find match fitness, then when he starts he’ll get injured. He’ll come back for the last 3 games, perform moderately well then sign for PSG in the summer.That sounds eerily like what usually happens to us.
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 11:11:36 AM
Please don't bring facts/reality into this.James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
He was brilliant for Porto.
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 11:12:41 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.
The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.
First 10 games of last season he was outstanding for Everton, then got injuries and it got a bit cold.
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 11:13:31 AM
Guessing we are looking at two number ten's behind a single striker with a midfield three (one of them holding) and the full backs providing width.
Wasn't this his favoured formation at Rangers?
I believe so. By his second season he had two number tens.
Is there a club/manager who has used this previously i.e. who set the template. It is naturally very solid but decent attacking full backs are essential and also a willingness for two midfielders to fill in for the fullbacks when they bomb forward.
Didn't read the replies so it might have bene answered but this is pretty much the liverpool system, 2 inverted wingers playing either side of a central striker with the option to go beyond him at times. What's missing is the extreme pace of Mane, which hopefully Bailey can add and then we're rotating between him, coutinho, buendia and traore/chuk as the options, and changing it up based on the opposition. It's also worth noting that Ings is probably closer to Firmino in style than watkins so how we end up using those 2 if this happens will be interesting.
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!
It already has (on SHA).
Quelle surprise
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 06, 2022, 11:24:54 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, typical Brummie negativity!
I'll start to believe if/when he gets his own thread!
It already has (on SHA).
Quelle surprise
Yes what else is happening at the Villa , they will know
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 11:25:16 AM
James did not workout anywhere in Europe. Has ben stealing a living based on on one lucky dip.
Probably fair to say he's never quite lived up to his potential, especially after his big money move to Real Madrid but he was pretty good for Porto, his first stop in Europe after leaving Banfield.
The comparisons with Coutinho are pretty similar I supposed as he moved at an early age to Inter Milan and struggled to adapt, not living up to his early promise. His most successful football coming in that Liverpool team but unable to recreate it since.
First 10 games of last season he was outstanding for Everton, then got injuries and it got a bit cold.
I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 11:34:10 AM
Loan deal is progressing with us funding half of his wages. But his lot are waiting to see if any other offers come in and that Barcelona want us to commit to buying him at the end of the loan spell - low fee etc. But with us spreading all of his wages out over a longer contract. A bit like what we managed to convince SHA to do with Hogan.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 06, 2022, 11:38:47 AM
Gerrard doesn't seem to have the personality to indulge a flair player (did he drop Morelos at Rangers for acting the bollix?).
He dropped him for another reason I think. Being completely shit is my guess.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 11:48:06 AM
Now I know it is from Football Insider but basically this is the suggestion currently doing the rounds;
Loan deal is progressing with us funding half of his wages. But his lot are waiting to see if any other offers come in and that Barcelona want us to commit to buying him at the end of the loan spell - low fee etc. But with us spreading all of his wages out over a longer contract. A bit like what we managed to convince SHA to do with Hogan.
Sounds about right. However I can't imagine our lot committing to buy a player on those wages on a sold as seen basis. They're not stupid, and he'll have to do it on the pitch first.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 11:53:46 AM
I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.
Even so, 6 goal and 4 assists in 21 league games is pretty good going.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
Right now we must be a decent fit for him.
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
I think it's an unfair comparison. Coutinho works a lot harder than James ever has so whilst they have comparible stats they're very different players. I remember having a few people on here have a go at me because I said that whilst James was getting loads of praise he was being bypassed for large periods of games but I stand by it, he's talented but never really wanted to put the effort in to achieve his potential, the fact that's he's playing in the middle east as a 30 year old says everything about his attitude in my opinion. Coutinho on the other hand seems determined to get back into the premier league and prove himself again.
Even so, 6 goal and 4 assists in 21 league games is pretty good going.
I agree, he has always had a roughly 1 in 2 'goal involvements' stat but just watching him play he's never, for me, looked like someone who was willing or able to really take hold of a game, which is what most players of hat sort of value excel at. It's similar (but on a much higher scale) to what Lansbury did (before we signed him), the odd good performance, flashes of quality in most games but very rarely dictating the game and 'winning it on his own'.
I'm less bothered than many on here if an attacking player doesn't bust a gut defensively but if you're the 'best' player in the team I do expect you to make teams come up with a plan to stop you. Look at how teams approached Grealish last year, they were scared nd kne wthat he could take the game away from them, and he regularly did it anyway. I don't think I've ever seen James have that sort of impact.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 12:07:44 PM
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 12:14:42 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Might be sooner than that but I suspect if they can they'd love the 'boost' from it ahead of the game to get the players and fans up for it.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 12:22:09 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Might be sooner than that but I suspect if they can they'd love the 'boost' from it ahead of the game to get the players and fans up for it.
Would be amazing. Come on 8)
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 12:25:44 PM
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Has there ever been a 12 month loan happen in January?
Post by: Dave P on January 06, 2022, 12:36:08 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
Has there ever been a 12 month loan happen in January?
I doubt it but it would take him nicely to the world cup to get regular game time.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 12:45:13 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
It might even happen now that you've eased off on using the 'Cool/Sunglasses' emoji. ;)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
Post by: Bad English on January 06, 2022, 12:53:26 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 12:54:10 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 12:58:04 PM
feels like our Robinho signing , let's hope it comes off.
Hopefully it is, rather than our Passarella signing.
Post by: Keeno on January 06, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
If anyone is not happy with this signing, I would politely remind you that this time two years ago, we were panic-signing Borja Baston and Mbwana Samatta. Onwards and upwards.
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 06, 2022, 01:13:18 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
I remember my dad turning down a new job because they offered him a Princess as a car instead of the Cortina GLS he had.
Post by: mrfuse on January 06, 2022, 01:13:22 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 06, 2022, 01:14:22 PM
The latest report is that FC Barcelona & Aston Villa are finalizing the details of the agreement for the transfer of Philippe Coutinho. There is optimism about closing the operation soon, either today or tomorrow. The sticking point is that FC Barcelona want to include a mandatory purchase clause in Phillipe Coutinho’s loan deal, but we don't not want it to be compulsory.
We do! Or we don’t!
I want it compulsory.
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 01:17:21 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 01:17:58 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 01:19:23 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
I remember my dad turning down a new job because they offered him a Princess as a car instead of the Cortina GLS he had.
My old man had a Granada in the late 70's. Lovely car from memory. Had a Cortina before that and before that a Triumph herald that my main memory of is the wheel falling off on the M1 ;D
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 01:21:23 PM
They've lost Aguero to forced retirement, maybe chuck them Danny Ings and call it quits?I was thinking Kenian
Post by: Big Ming on January 06, 2022, 01:44:21 PM
Going to be hard to keep both Ollie Watkins and Danny Ings happy.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
feels like our Robinho signing , let's hope it comes off.
The only Reliant Robin in football was Van Persie.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 01:56:07 PM
I predict this will be announced before the game on Monday.
12 month loan with option to buy.
I know nothing BTW. Just my prediction.
It might even happen now that you've eased off on using the 'Cool/Sunglasses' emoji. ;)
I like that emoji 8)
Post by: Villafirst on January 06, 2022, 01:56:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 01:58:47 PM
Post by: Des Little on January 06, 2022, 02:02:41 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
Austin Ambassador Y reg?
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 06, 2022, 02:11:53 PM
I'm not anti Ings, just don't think he suits us and would look to move on if the deal was right.
Ings is a better natural finisher than Watkins. The issue is more about lack of supply. There have been flashes from Buendia linking up with Ings that have been a taste of what might be possible.
Buendia and Coutinho would absolutely bring out the best in Ings, no problem.
It is an appetising prospect if it comes off.
Post by: Monty on January 06, 2022, 02:18:11 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 02:19:42 PM
I'm not anti Ings, just don't think he suits us and would look to move on if the deal was right.
Ings is a better natural finisher than Watkins. The issue is more about lack of supply. There have been flashes from Buendia linking up with Ings that have been a taste of what might be possible.
Buendia and Coutinho would absolutely bring out the best in Ings, no problem.
It is an appetising prospect if it comes off.
Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.
I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.
Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 02:33:41 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
Austin Ambassador Y reg?
Yeah, throw in the options of velour seats, shag pile carpet, walnut fascia, cassette radio. sunroof and map pockets (for spaghetti junction). If he's any good upgrade him to the Automatic model with the leather seats.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 02:52:34 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
Austin Ambassador Y reg?
Yeah, throw in the options of velour seats, shag pile carpet, walnut fascia, cassette radio. sunroof and map pockets (for spaghetti junction). If he's any good upgrade him to the Automatic model with the leather seats.
You could probably save on the optional headrests as he's not the biggest.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 02:55:42 PM
I can't imagine Coutinho driving a Cortina or an Allegro. Austin Ambassador (Vanden Plas) init.
Austin Ambassador Y reg?
Now you may covet a Coutinho, or a Fabinho, marvel at the Robinho, but not me no.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:02:25 PM
Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.
I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2022, 03:08:30 PM
It might be the execution but I don’t see Gerrard’s tactics as matching Liverpool. To date, the 10s rarely get beyond the striker and the striker plays off the shoulder rather than firmino’s false 9 role.He hasn't had time to implement his attacking system yet, so it's a work in progress. I think it wlll probably move more torwards the Liverpool way as we get the personnel in, in particlar a more attacking leftback. Long term I think we will continue to have 3 up front like Liverpool, with advanced fullbacks. Whether people want to call them 10's or wingers is up to them, but that's how I expect us to set up. This is great for me as it's exactly how I hoped we'd play.
It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.
I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.
Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
I suspect it will have to be Watkins OR Ings, which is fine by me, I want us to have a deep squad. Although Watkins is a good player for us I agree with Paul than an on form Ings may be better suited to the role.
Post by: Smithy on January 06, 2022, 03:10:17 PM
That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2022, 03:18:00 PM
Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.
I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.
I disagree, you spend £100m to improve the team not to have a bog standard midfielder.
No comparisons in football are going to be perfect but that was just an example of what a manager should be there for. To get the best out of the team and make individual players better otherwise you could just pick a side via committee. It’s why Gerrard has the job rather than me or you.
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 03:18:14 PM
You know we're actually getting ourselves a bit known in South America, according to a couple of my friends. Obviously we had the cult heroes for mid-level nations in Angel and Solano, but Luiz and especially Emi Martinez have increased our profile a lot continent-wide. Obviously, however, Coutinho would be a whole other level.
In a perfect world we'd find a mexican superstar to go with the MLS franchise and take over most of the americas as people's premier league club of choice. No idea who it could be though.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:19:24 PM
Isn’t the key part of the job for a manager to find ways of getting the best out of players? It’s what Dean did with Grealish for example and Guardiola has, so far, failed to do. Hopefully, in time, Gerrard will work out how to do the same with Ings/Watkins.
I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Grealish is by far the most talented player we've had in a generation, so Smith channeled absolutely everything through him. Guardiola dosn't need to do that, as he'd got a whole army of talented left sided attacking players. Either Grealish will adapt to the Guardiola way of playing, or he'll sit on the bench behind De Bruyne, Foden, Sterling etc etc. It's a more difficult job to solve the Watkins/Ings conundrum, as frankly they're not as good as Grealish.
I disagree, you spend £100m to improve the team not to have a bog standard midfielder.
No comparisons in football are going to be perfect but that was just an example of what a manager should be there for. To get the best out of the team and make individual players better otherwise you could just pick a side via committee. It’s why Gerrard has the job rather than me or you.
Normal rules don't apply to Man City.
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
... isn't that a character from Planet of the Apes?They've lost Aguero to forced retirement, maybe chuck them Danny Ings and call it quits?I was thinking Kenian ...
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
It might be the execution but I don’t see Gerrard’s tactics as matching Liverpool. To date, the 10s rarely get beyond the striker and the striker plays off the shoulder rather than firmino’s false 9 role.He hasn't had time to implement his attacking system yet, so it's a work in progress. I think it wlll probably move more torwards the Liverpool way as we get the personnel in, in particlar a more attacking leftback. Long term I think we will continue to have 3 up front like Liverpool, with advanced fullbacks. Whether people want to call them 10's or wingers is up to them, but that's how I expect us to set up. This is great for me as it's exactly how I hoped we'd play.
It could easily evolve into a Liverpool formation but it’s not what I’ve seen so far.
I actually hope you’re right as the tactics - other than the fullbacks - is quite “safety first” in my opinion, so releasing the midfielders might help.
Edit - I hit reply not quote - this was in response to Paul e and the earlier poster saying SG tactics were the same/similar to Liverpool’s.
I suspect it will have to be Watkins OR Ings, which is fine by me, I want us to have a deep squad. Although Watkins is a good player for us I agree with Paul than an on form Ings may be better suited to the role.
I suspect Liverpool play the way they do because of Salah more than anything. When you have a guy who is arguably the best player in the world and he wnts to play high but on the right you alter your plans to make that work. At Dortmund he developed into the front 3 being quite fluid with the cnetral player sometimes deeper and sometimes leading the line. Even now when Origi gets gametime they tend to change shape and he plays higher than Firmino or Jota.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 06, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play. That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.
That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.
It's an odd one, I was saying watching we look far less pacy and dynamic in the final third without Ollie pressing, but I don't think he'd have scored that goal and that is what Ings brings to the party!
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 03:32:48 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play. That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.
That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.
It's an odd one, I was saying watching we look far less pacy and dynamic in the final third without Ollie pressing, but I don't think he'd have scored that goal and that is what Ings brings to the party!
That's the dilemma. You get more running and pressing with Watkins, but his finishing is hit and miss, preferring mostly to smack the ball into defenders' shins this season. Ings is a better finisher, but contributes less to the team overall.
Post by: Rigadon on January 06, 2022, 03:45:13 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2022, 03:46:27 PM
*Checks to see if H&V has it's own Coutinho thread, sees that is doesn't and gets back to work.
Like a child waiting for Christmas, i've been doing this all day long.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 06, 2022, 03:48:29 PM
I do feel that Watkins is more suited to the high-pressing game Gerrard appears to want us to play. That's not to say Ings can't do it, I just think Watkins probably has a head start in terms of delivering what the new manager wants from his forwards.
That said, Ings scored a very good goal on Saturday, and obviously, that won't have gone unnoticed.
It's an odd one, I was saying watching we look far less pacy and dynamic in the final third without Ollie pressing, but I don't think he'd have scored that goal and that is what Ings brings to the party!
That's the dilemma. You get more running and pressing with Watkins, but his finishing is hit and miss, preferring mostly to smack the ball into defenders' shins this season. Ings is a better finisher, but contributes less to the team overall.
We need to put Watkins in to the machine in 'The Fly' and then last second kick Ings in.
Post by: darren woolley on January 06, 2022, 03:53:11 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 06, 2022, 04:01:58 PM
Not sure what to believe, as a Villa fan, pessimism is always overly strong for me!
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 06, 2022, 04:03:33 PM
When he came here he'd lost his zip.Ginola was never any good at the press.Ginola was a brilliant player and would have been a lot better for us if it hadn’t been for John Gregory as manager who didn’t like flare players
The fact he was brought in by Doug didn’t help
When he got a chance even with us he Was a game changer
They just wanted to trouser the cash.
Bit of a slack workrate at times too.
He only came Farrah last big pay day.
Post by: Smithy on January 06, 2022, 04:16:44 PM
Various places starting to report that his salary is a stumbling block.
Not sure what to believe, as a Villa fan, pessimism is always overly strong for me!
It absolutely will be. He's on tremendous money, £150k NET I've seen quoted (no idea why so many Spanish wages are quoted net of tax?). And Barca need a good chunk of that off the wage bill to register Torres. So I'm sure they have a line where it's not worth letting Coutinho go, if it doesn't get them a good way to being able to register Torres.
To pay £100k a week during the loan doesn't cover even HALF his wages, so it's no surprise it's a stumbling block. If we set a precedent for paying well over £100k a week for a player we won't even own, I fear for what will be asked of us in future contract negotiations.
Personally, I think we'll end up doing a deal where the loan 'fee' is used so our wages 'contribution' can stay in line with our own pay scale.
Post by: Flin5tone on January 06, 2022, 04:37:30 PM
I know he is a big name but we need to prioritise positions rather than Romantic signings . With us sliding down the table and that horrendous showing against Brentford we need a big reality check and solve the weak spots in the team.
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2022, 04:38:12 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 04:38:39 PM
Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need, we are desperate for a CDM,LB,CD Cover,Goalkeeper Cover.
I know he is a big name but we need to prioritise positions rather than Romantic signings . With us sliding down the table and that horrendous showing against Brentford we need a big reality check and solve the weak spots in the team.
He might help us sell all those empty seats though? Got to be a positive.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 04:45:32 PM
Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need, we are desperate for a CDM,LB,CD Cover,Goalkeeper Cover.
I know he is a big name but we need to prioritise positions rather than Romantic signings . With us sliding down the table and that horrendous showing against Brentford we need a big reality check and solve the weak spots in the team.
You'd be gutted if we signed him, wouldn't you?
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 04:52:20 PM
Loads of people saying hes not coming to villa off, but also people say he is looking for a accomedation near B6.
On the bright side, he'll be knackered driving to London or Newcastle each day so shouldnt make too much of an impact
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 04:54:15 PM
Various places starting to report that his salary is a stumbling block.
Not sure what to believe, as a Villa fan, pessimism is always overly strong for me!
It’s inevitable that a day later that some no names will start to make shit up to keep the story alive. Villa or any other club would have known through Barcelona and his agent what the salary is and what the mix might be if shared. But now his salary is a stumbling block. Not really because in all cases it’s an advantage to Barcelona and they need to shift him to make room for other players. The player needs to play ahead of the WC so won’t be a massive dick about it. So a deal will be reached. I reckon that this is done, he will be a Villa player but naturally details are being finalized as they always need to be.
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
I think we are entering the Joe will Sign for Man City / Sign a new contract a Villa stage of the dealVarious places starting to report that his salary is a stumbling block.
Not sure what to believe, as a Villa fan, pessimism is always overly strong for me!
It’s inevitable that a day later that some no names will start to make shit up to keep the story alive. Villa or any other club would have known through Barcelona and his agent what the salary is and what the mix might be if shared. But now his salary is a stumbling block. Not really because in all cases it’s an advantage to Barcelona and they need to shift him to make room for other players. The player needs to play ahead of the WC so won’t be a massive dick about it. So a deal will be reached. I reckon that this is done, he will be a Villa player but naturally details are being finalized as they always need to be.
Post by: AV82EC on January 06, 2022, 05:01:19 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 06, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
I get the impression some people would be gutted whoever we signed.Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need, we are desperate for a CDM,LB,CD Cover,Goalkeeper Cover.
I know he is a big name but we need to prioritise positions rather than Romantic signings . With us sliding down the table and that horrendous showing against Brentford we need a big reality check and solve the weak spots in the team.
You'd be gutted if we signed him, wouldn't you?
Personally I think it would be a brilliant signing as long as there are others.
It would certainly make a big positive statement and get us great exposure.
And also if Gerrard does get it over the line he's only doing what other managers do and bring in players who they admire and trust.
You know like Paul Lambert and Grant Holt.
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: TaxDodger on January 06, 2022, 05:10:09 PM
Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need, we are desperate for a CDM,LB,CD Cover,Goalkeeper Cover.
Yeh as long as we get a slight upgrade on Jed Steer I'm not really arsed about signing a player who was worth £140m fairly recently.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 05:13:07 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 05:13:24 PM
Just a thought, does he have the same agent as ESR or JWP?
His agent us that shady fucker who did the Tevez/Macherano deal to West Ham years ago.
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 05:15:40 PM
tomorrow afternoon we find out says skyAh - I cant do another 24 hours of constiently checking for updates
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 06, 2022, 05:18:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 05:20:27 PM
tomorrow afternoon we find out says skyAh - I cant do another 24 hours of constiently checking for updates
As we are in advanced talks and we get to find out tomorrow, I'd assume (crossing fingers) it will be us ... If Newcastle are coming in I don't think it would be done tomorrow. There was reports he don't want to go there .
Post by: Villa Lew on January 06, 2022, 05:25:59 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
@Shlugassi
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9m
👉🏼Coutinho - Aston Vila: Sources at the FCB & AVFC say there are only a few small clauses left between the parties and the deal will be DONE. Today there has been BIG progress in understandings. More details coming soon at
@BarcaTimes
#FCBlive #Mercato
Post by: DrGonzo on January 06, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 06, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need, we are desperate for a CDM,LB,CD Cover,Goalkeeper Cover.
Yeh as long as we get a slight upgrade on Jed Steer I'm not really arsed about signing a player who was worth £140m fairly recently.
There are times I wish we had a like button.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 06, 2022, 05:34:05 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 05:37:03 PM
Shay Lugassi
@Shlugassi
·
9m
👉🏼Coutinho - Aston Vila: Sources at the FCB & AVFC say there are only a few small clauses left between the parties and the deal will be DONE. Today there has been BIG progress in understandings. More details coming soon at
@BarcaTimes
#FCBlive #Mercato
No mention of Liverpool still. I'm calling it.
HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 05:39:18 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 05:59:57 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 06:04:23 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 06, 2022, 06:09:03 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 06, 2022, 06:09:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 06:12:56 PM
Also him and Dougie, as well as being Brazilians and Cariocas, are both Vascaínos which can't do any harm.
Aside from that I don't have any more straws to clutch.
Post by: LeonW on January 06, 2022, 06:13:16 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 06:20:03 PM
Shay Lugassi is apparently Chief Editor at Barcatimes.com.Is Barca Times owned by Reach?
Post by: Dave P on January 06, 2022, 06:20:46 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 06:25:41 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
We normally leave that to Dave W.
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 06:26:10 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
When there is something a bit official is the way we go.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 06:28:00 PM
Really think this will be a BIG mistake , not the player we need,
Can understand now why you're against it.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/06/philippe-coutinho-posts-on-ig-leeds-raphinha-issues-three-word-response/
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 06:36:39 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
When there is something a bit official is the way we go.
A short time after Percy enters the chat confirming things is my guess
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 06:40:58 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
When there is something a bit official is the way we go.
A short time after Percy enters the chat confirming things is my guess
He might be on nights this week so don't hold yer breath.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 06:43:44 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2022, 06:47:57 PM
Having thought about this some more, he's precisely the sort of player that we could build around. Other players would definitely come to play with him.
And, on form he's better than anyone we've had in a long time.
Post by: Monty on January 06, 2022, 06:49:10 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 06, 2022, 06:52:01 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 06, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
Would prefer a loan with first option on buying afterwards if he performs.me too - I'd rather have Coutinho in the squad than Trez and Traore, probably throw in El Ghazi too
Post by: Steve67 on January 06, 2022, 06:59:22 PM
Reported we're trying to lower the Perm fee in exchange for taking on more wages.
Having thought about this some more, he's precisely the sort of player that we could build around. Other players would definitely come to play with him.
And, on form he's better than anyone we've had in a long time.
He might be the player that unlocks the Ings/Watkins partnership, I hope, with Buendia learning from him too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 07:04:36 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
When there is something a bit official is the way we go.
A short time after Percy enters the chat confirming things is my guess
He might be on nights this week so don't hold yer breath.
Aye. It’s him or John Percy. One of them is good for me Lee
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 06, 2022, 07:08:02 PM
It's getting warm... warmer....
Post by: Monty on January 06, 2022, 07:08:18 PM
Reported we're trying to lower the Perm fee in exchange for taking on more wages.
Having thought about this some more, he's precisely the sort of player that we could build around. Other players would definitely come to play with him.
And, on form he's better than anyone we've had in a long time.
He might be the player that unlocks the Ings/Watkins partnership, I hope, with Buendia learning from him too.
That would be quite the bold move, playing them as a front four.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 06, 2022, 07:14:44 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 06, 2022, 07:18:20 PM
But fuck it. I never thought I would see the day when we would be linked with the likes of Coutinho. Even 3 years ago with various signings being made across the board. Looking back at some of those signings from the past really strikes how far we’ve come as a club under NSWE.
Even if he doesn’t come, this is serious intent from ourselves. Serious intent. I love to see it so much.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 07:21:43 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 07:22:38 PM
I think we’ll find out more tomorrow.Agreed, NSWE really have given us our club back
But fuck it. I never thought I would see the day when we would be linked with the likes of Coutinho. Even 3 years ago with various signings being made across the board. Looking back at some of those signings from the past really strikes how far we’ve come as a club under NSWE.
Even if he doesn’t come, this is serious intent from ourselves. Serious intent. I love to see it so much.
Post by: Bad English on January 06, 2022, 07:40:27 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 06, 2022, 07:41:47 PM
He'll only snap his cruciate ligament and break his leg in two places in his second game and miss the rest of the season anyway.we'll just send him back if that happens :)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2022, 07:43:27 PM
Who’s going to be brave enough to start a new Coutinho thread?
When there is something a bit official is the way we go.
A short time after Percy enters the chat confirming things is my guess
He might be on nights this week so don't hold yer breath.
I am. But I was on nights when I broke the story a few days ago so hold yer breath.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 07:46:37 PM
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'll get to work on a chant and I'll report back 8)
Post by: AV82EC on January 06, 2022, 07:52:52 PM
Going to be surreal seeing him run out for us.
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'll get to work on a chant and I'll report back 8)
I don’t think you can beat
Wake me up before you go go
Who needs Grealish when you’ve got Coutinho….
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 07:58:32 PM
Going to be surreal seeing him run out for us.
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'll get to work on a chant and I'll report back 8)
I don’t think you can beat
Wake me up before you go go
Who needs Grealish when you’ve got Coutinho….
I like that mate. Did you make it? I like it a lot.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 06, 2022, 07:58:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2022, 08:06:07 PM
Post by: Ads on January 06, 2022, 08:09:55 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 06, 2022, 08:10:23 PM
Going to be surreal seeing him run out for us.
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'll get to work on a chant and I'll report back 8)
I don’t think you can beat
Wake me up before you go go
Who needs Grealish when you’ve got Coutinho….
I like that mate. Did you make it? I like it a lot.
Ha I wish I was that creative, nicked from Twitter.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 06, 2022, 08:10:43 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 06, 2022, 08:12:53 PM
Searching for a house in Brum.there's a few one bed council bungalows by the Hunters Moon on the Coleshill Rd he might like...
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 06, 2022, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 06, 2022, 08:14:49 PM
Northfield is nice this time of year.
It chuffing aint lol
Bartley green however...
Post by: LukeJames on January 06, 2022, 08:16:01 PM
Searching for a house in Brum.Only Blues players are allowed to live in Brum.
Post by: caster troy on January 06, 2022, 08:19:14 PM
Going to be surreal seeing him run out for us.
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'll get to work on a chant and I'll report back 8)
I don’t think you can beat
Wake me up before you go go
Who needs Grealish when you’ve got Coutinho….
That is truly magnificent, let's hope we get to sing it very soon.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2022, 08:57:16 PM
Northfield is nice this time of year.
I was thinking Perry Barr myself.
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 06, 2022, 09:00:53 PM
Northfield is lovely anytime of the year 🍺🍻Not sure about that....
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2022, 09:01:11 PM
Chelmsley Wood so our Perce can keep an ee on him.Northfield is nice this time of year.
I was thinking Perry Barr myself.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 09:03:52 PM
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'd go for this. Salgueiro - 1993, Carnaval champions that year and the greatest samba enredo of all time.
Specifically the chorus.
Explode, coração, na maior felicidade - The heart explodes with the greatest happiness
É lindo meu Coutinho - He's lovely, my Coutinho
Contagiando e sacudindo essa cidade - Affecting and shaking this city.
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2022, 09:22:46 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 06, 2022, 09:24:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
Current rumours are all about an 18 month loan.
Which would make some sense if he’s thinking about the World Cup.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2022, 09:26:43 PM
Its an "unnamed Premier league club" which is funnily enough the same with Newcastle and Cantwell. So my take is this.... villa & Newcastle are after cantwell & countinho so which ever one they miss out on they get the other one.
Well if true one of those would be about the biggest let down ever.
Post by: Smirker on January 06, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
It would be so good to see a carnival atmosphere. Brazil flags, the Punjabi lads playing Samba music on their drums.
We're signing Coutinho lads. And we're coming for the European spots.
I'd go for this. Salgueiro - 1993, Carnaval champions that year and the greatest samba enredo of all time.
Specifically the chorus.
Explode, coração, na maior felicidade - The heart explodes with the greatest happiness
É lindo meu Coutinho - He's lovely, my Coutinho
Contagiando e sacudindo essa cidade - Affecting and shaking this city.
I love it 8)
Do you know any others we can nick? I tried Sos Cagon for our Emis but it didn't work.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2022, 09:49:35 PM
Current rumours are all about an 18 month loan.
That’s what the bloke who tipped me off on Saturday told me.
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2022, 09:51:22 PM
Its an "unnamed Premier league club" which is funnily enough the same with Newcastle and Cantwell. So my take is this.... villa & Newcastle are after cantwell & countinho so which ever one they miss out on they get the other one.
Well if true one of those would be about the biggest let down ever.
Like going for the speedboat in Bullseye, and just getting a glass tankard instead.
Post by: Chris Harte on January 06, 2022, 09:53:05 PM
I read it's until the end of this season. Seems we'll know soon enough.Current rumours are all about an 18 month loan.
That’s what the bloke who tipped me off on Saturday told me.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 06, 2022, 09:54:06 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 09:56:42 PM
Searching for a house in Brum.He has been spotted in Mr Egg eating a sausage and egg sandwich on white bread with brown sauce.
Post by: Chris Harte on January 06, 2022, 09:57:56 PM
I hope it was HP sauce.Searching for a house in Brum.He has been spotted in Mr Egg eating a sausage and egg sandwich on white bread with brown sauce.
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 09:59:06 PM
I can confirm it was HP. The choice of winners.I hope it was HP sauce.Searching for a house in Brum.He has been spotted in Mr Egg eating a sausage and egg sandwich on white bread with brown sauce.
Post by: Chris Harte on January 06, 2022, 09:59:41 PM
Done deal, then. ;)I can confirm it was HP. The choice of winners.I hope it was HP sauce.Searching for a house in Brum.He has been spotted in Mr Egg eating a sausage and egg sandwich on white bread with brown sauce.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 06, 2022, 10:00:28 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 06, 2022, 10:03:29 PM
A brilliant coup if we can pull it off
Post by: mrfuse on January 06, 2022, 10:07:48 PM
I really really hope he is still good
That's the gamble if we knew for sure we wouldn't be getting him.
I think its obvious that its not the position we desperately need to fill. But if a player like that becomes available and we have a chance to get him we would be silly not to try.
Hopefully its not at the cost of getting a deal for a holding midfielder and an offensive left wingback.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2022, 10:12:12 PM
I really really hope he is still good
You'd have to believe Gerrard is pretty sure he is. If a statement (and expensive) signing like this flops 2 months into his reign as manager then it's going to be very difficult for him to recover from it.
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2022, 10:19:33 PM
I dont think it would be. I think this is a "we're massive" signing. I like to think behind the more sensible deals are being doneI really really hope he is still good
That's the gamble if we knew for sure we wouldn't be getting him.
I think its obvious that its not the position we desperately need to fill. But if a player like that becomes available and we have a chance to get him we would be silly not to try.
Hopefully its not at the cost of getting a deal for a holding midfielder and an offensive left wingback.
Post by: charleeco7 on January 06, 2022, 10:21:23 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 06, 2022, 10:27:17 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 06, 2022, 10:29:22 PM
I remember when we were after him and then he buggered off to Liverpool. So I now expect him to be at Newcastle for the end of the transfer window.That’s my worry as well. Money talks.
Post by: LeonW on January 06, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
I really really hope he is still good
That's the gamble if we knew for sure we wouldn't be getting him.
Exactly this. I'm still dubious about it but also excited at the same time to see what happens.
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2022, 11:22:47 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2022, 11:28:26 PM
I really really hope he is still good
That's the gamble if we knew for sure we wouldn't be getting him.
I think its obvious that its not the position we desperately need to fill. But if a player like that becomes available and we have a chance to get him we would be silly not to try.
Hopefully its not at the cost of getting a deal for a holding midfielder and an offensive left wingback.
That's the kind of logic that saw us sign Ings let's be honest. Obviously hope Coutinho works out, if it does will be brilliant for player, coach and the profile of the club. But he's isn't remotely the same player or athlete he was when at Liverpool. It's surely going to take him a number of games mid season to get up to the speed of the EPL compared to his bit part role at Barca.
The club has already invested hugely in the last 18 months in the likes of Traore, Sanson, Ings, Watkins, Bailey and Buendia with mixed enough results on how to fit them in.
As with you, I think like last summer investment should be prioritised in the areas of the team that badly need it first rather than another number 10.
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2022, 11:39:27 PM
I really really hope he is still good
That's the gamble if we knew for sure we wouldn't be getting him.
I think its obvious that its not the position we desperately need to fill. But if a player like that becomes available and we have a chance to get him we would be silly not to try.
Hopefully its not at the cost of getting a deal for a holding midfielder and an offensive left wingback.
That's the kind of logic that saw us sign Ings let's be honest. Obviously hope Coutinho works out, if it does will be brilliant for player, coach and the profile of the club. But he's isn't remotely the same player or athlete he was when at Liverpool. It's surely going to take him a number of games mid season to get up to the speed of the EPL compared to his bit part role at Barca.
The club has already invested hugely in the last 18 months in the likes of Traore, Sanson, Ings, Watkins, Bailey and Buendia with mixed enough results on how to fit them in.
As with you, I think like last summer investment should be prioritised in the areas of the team that badly need it first rather than another number 10.
Coutinho or AEG?
Coutinho or Trezeguet?
Coutinho or Traore?
Coutinho or Davis?
Coutinho or Luiz?
Coutinho or McGinn?
Coutinho or Ramsey?
I'd say the first 4 are easy. Then it gets a bit harder but there's an argument for Coutinho for every one. And that's the reason to go for him.
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2022, 11:46:32 PM
"He is demanding to play, which he will not have the opportunity to do at Barcelona with a view to the Qatar World Cup," said Balague.
"Aston Villa are ahead of the lot and Barcelona are negotiating with them but Coutinho is waiting to see who else wants to be in the auction.
"He is hoping for Arsenal and Spurs but they have not done so and Aston Villa is the level he is at - I don't think he's a top four or five player anymore.
"He had a very good first six months [at Barcelona], when he arrived inside the club they thought he was a replacement for Andres Iniesta but he isn't.
"He drives with the ball, but not even fast, and the tricks he had were found out and his confidence suffered. Barcelona got completely the wrong player.
"To go into the Premier League, with the pace and intensity - something he has been missing with his lack of playing time - I don't see him succeeding."
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2022, 11:46:44 PM
Post by: Monty on January 06, 2022, 11:49:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2022, 12:10:01 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2022, 12:10:30 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 12:32:45 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 03:30:49 AM
Quote
New direct contact today between Aston Villa and Barcelona for Philippe Coutinho loan deal. Buy option to be discussed - and no obligation. 🤝🇧🇷 #AVFC
Deal progressing as Coutinho is prepared to leave - still something to be resolved on salary. Negotiations will continue today.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1479288546670301185?s=21
Post by: sid1964 on January 07, 2022, 06:12:39 AM
This reminds me of when we signed Ginola, who was once a great player but was on the decline by the time he joined us, I just hope that if we do sign him, that the club have looked at Coutinho to see what he can bring to the team, and has he still got the drive and determination to be a top player in the premier league, and that he is not joining us just because he is Gerrard's mate.
IF this goes tits up then Gerrard will have a lot of questions to answer to the owners who will be wondering if they can trust his judgement in the transfer market, obviously if Coutinho is a success then Gerrard will be a genius!
Salary for Coutinho is supposedly between an astonishing £250 - £300k a week, we will need to sell a lot of shirts in the club shop to pay for his wages!
Post by: manic-road on January 07, 2022, 06:59:43 AM
From Fabrizio RomanoQuoteNew direct contact today between Aston Villa and Barcelona for Philippe Coutinho loan deal. Buy option to be discussed - and no obligation. 🤝🇧🇷 #AVFC
Deal progressing as Coutinho is prepared to leave - still something to be resolved on salary. Negotiations will continue today.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1479288546670301185?s=21
Fabrizio Romano is normally pretty reliable.
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2022, 07:31:03 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 07, 2022, 07:31:52 AM
Balague on BBC Sport.That's exactly where my thinking has been all along: I don't not welcome him, I just think the game has moved on in the short time he's been elsewhere.
"... To go into the Premier League, with the pace and intensity - something he has been missing with his lack of playing time - I don't see him succeeding."
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2022, 07:42:45 AM
Paul McGrath was nearly 30 if I remember right and so was Merson.
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2022, 07:45:53 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2022, 07:54:07 AM
Post by: WassallVillain on January 07, 2022, 08:02:55 AM
We’ve seen Man Utd take these gambles on players at the later end of their career, Sheringham, Cantona and more recently Ibrahimović and Cavani and no matter their age class just oozes out of these players.
The players you mention were and are highly driven. My fear is that Coutinho great as he has been in the past has gone into cruise mode.
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2022, 08:06:12 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
Balague on BBC Sport.That's exactly where my thinking has been all along: I don't not welcome him, I just think the game has moved on in the short time he's been elsewhere.
"... To go into the Premier League, with the pace and intensity - something he has been missing with his lack of playing time - I don't see him succeeding."
Maybe, but frankly at his potential level and profile it’s worth the risk.
Post by: andyh on January 07, 2022, 08:09:13 AM
We’ve seen Man Utd take these gambles on players at the later end of their career, Sheringham, Cantona and more recently Ibrahimović and Cavani and no matter their age class just oozes out of these players.Great point.
Paul McGrath was nearly 30 if I remember right and so was Merson.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
The best thing about all this? It’s not Todd Cantwell.
No but what a player to have in reserve if it goes tits up with Coutinho.....
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 07, 2022, 08:14:36 AM
A positive move for me if it happens and will strengthen our attacking options significantly.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 07, 2022, 08:20:09 AM
We’ve seen Man Utd take these gambles on players at the later end of their career, Sheringham, Cantona and more recently Ibrahimović and Cavani and no matter their age class just oozes out of these players.
The players you mention were and are highly driven. My fear is that Coutinho great as he has been in the past has gone into cruise mode.
He wants to represent his country in the World Cup. I see no need to worry about his motivation.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2022, 08:20:23 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 07, 2022, 08:23:53 AM
Post by: john e on January 07, 2022, 08:24:11 AM
Post by: Des Little on January 07, 2022, 08:27:57 AM
Please tell me he’s good on set pieces because we are desperate for that
He is...until now
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 07, 2022, 08:29:15 AM
Please tell me he’s good on set pieces because we are desperate for that
He’ll learn the art of the long throw from Matty Cash very quickly.
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2022, 08:29:34 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 08:31:15 AM
Please tell me he’s good on set pieces because we are desperate for that
He's a Brazilian playmaker mate, of course he is!
I've just had to stop and think for a second. It looks like we're about to sign a Brazilian magician with nearly 70 caps, still in his 20's, from Barcelona.
The only time we got near something like this that I can remember was Juninho, and we were top of the league when we tried that.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 07, 2022, 08:31:48 AM
Post by: Des Little on January 07, 2022, 08:32:12 AM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 07, 2022, 08:35:31 AM
With all the heat on the Coutinho deal, let’s not forget we could pull in at least a couple more belters too. Could this be our best Jan window ever?
That Fabrizo fella has said we will definitely be after a left back in addition
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 08:42:01 AM
And Roma are shite.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 07, 2022, 08:51:53 AM
HERE WE GO!!!!
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2022, 08:53:54 AM
What about that brilliant Italian lad, Spinazzola, that got injured in the summer? He must be fit again by now.
And Roma are shite.
He's still injured. Not coincidentally, Roma are shite indeed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 09:06:36 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 07, 2022, 09:30:44 AM
EDIT: Club announce it's a done deal. Fantastic news.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 09:34:44 AM
Looks like it's very close to a done deal. For me it's a fantastic endorsement for us as a club and for the pulling power of Steven Gerrard.It's also a vindication for the difficult decision that was made to sack Dean Smith. I didn't like that one bit and was one of the posters on here who was underwhelmed by the club bringing in Gerrard. This is a watershed moment for the club in my view. In 5 years we've gone from shopping at Asda to shopping at Waitrose. Forget any negatively and enjoy the ride lads and lasses. If this comes off which looks almost a done deal we can start to believe that we're actually going to be challenging for a place at the top table.
Fuck Waitrose, this shit is Fortnum and Mason mate!
Post by: dave shelley on January 07, 2022, 09:53:39 AM
Fabrizio Romano and John Percy now reporting it’s pretty much done. Announcement today!
HERE WE GO!!!!
That'll be me on here all day then! My missus is gonna love me. Still, it's snowing on and off so I can use that as an excuse.
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2022, 10:04:31 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 07, 2022, 10:11:26 AM
*runs off*
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 10:12:38 AM
So, not *that* skint then?
Ah, 'skint pricks', those were the days. Well, actually, it was about a fortnight, until we landed some mega wealthy owners with ambition and half a clue as to what they were doing.
Post by: richtheholtender on January 07, 2022, 10:15:27 AM
So, not *that* skint then?
I'm more than happy to say when I am wrong. This signing would indicate they're still with us and keen to act on their ambitions.
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2022, 10:17:55 AM
So, not *that* skint then?
Ah, 'skint pricks', those were the days. Well, actually, it was about a fortnight, until we landed some mega wealthy owners with ambition and half a clue as to what they were doing.
One of the funniest threads on any football forum ever was on SHA the day we were bought by Nas and Wes. There they were with their Champagne (well, Tennant's Extra) waiting for us to go down the pan, and bang, hello brand new billionaire owners, nice to meet you!
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2022, 10:20:11 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 10:22:28 AM
So, not *that* skint then?
Ah, 'skint pricks', those were the days. Well, actually, it was about a fortnight, until we landed some mega wealthy owners with ambition and half a clue as to what they were doing.
One of the funniest threads on any football forum ever was on SHA the day we were bought by Nas and Wes. There they were with their Champagne (well, Tennant's Extra) waiting for us to go down the pan, and bang, hello brand new billionaire owners, nice to meet you!
I was just finishing up working on a building site with loads of noses and a right bitter and full of himself Doghead. They'd just won the Championship, so they were all full of it, I'd landed a good job which meant I could leave that shit behind, and it all timed perfectly with me laughing at them on the way out.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 07, 2022, 10:53:35 AM
Personally I'm happy with our back 5. 15 clean sheets was it last season and some this season? Yes we need a back up CB to replace Tuanzebe going, but that should be enough especially with Young having been brought in to cover the fbs.
In midfield we have McGinn, Luiz, Sansom, Ramsey and the injured Nakamba, all of whom (except Marvellous) prefer playing further forward. We were woefully short in this department in the summer and we still are. We need a proper CDM at the very least to cover our defence. They will certainly be thankful for a player who is capable of breaking up play before it reaches them and one who has their backs if the opposition get through. Coutinho is a statement loan signing, there is no doubt about that. Imo I think we also need a statement CDM signing who when in place would also allow our forward players the freedom to hurt opponents. Priority has to be this followed by a midfielder(s) in the Des Bremner mould, who (judging by how our manager wants to play) is capable of covering the full backs and has the energy to get up and down the touchline.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 07, 2022, 10:56:34 AM
tomorrow afternoon we find out says sky
Sky really do make shit up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 11:02:33 AM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 07, 2022, 11:04:57 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 07, 2022, 11:05:59 AM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 07, 2022, 11:08:52 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 07, 2022, 11:46:32 AM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
I announced Gerrard first as well I believe.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2022, 12:03:36 PM
So are we in need of dumping squad members to pay for Coutinho's wages and comply with FFP ? If so, Trez/Ghaz/Traore(?) are presumably the likely lads.I'd like to keep Traore. Happy to let Trez and ElGhazi go.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2022, 12:05:58 PM
Post by: john e on January 07, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
So are we in need of dumping squad members to pay for Coutinho's wages and comply with FFP ? If so, Trez/Ghaz/Traore(?) are presumably the likely lads.I'd like to keep Traore. Happy to let Trez and ElGhazi go.
Same
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 12:20:51 PM
So are we in need of dumping squad members to pay for Coutinho's wages and comply with FFP ? If so, Trez/Ghaz/Traore(?) are presumably the likely lads.I'd like to keep Traore. Happy to let Trez and ElGhazi go.
Same
I love Bert but feel he's like a player from another era, I'm not sure you can get away with being as sloppy as he is at times at the level were trying to play.
Post by: Steve67 on January 07, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
So are we in need of dumping squad members to pay for Coutinho's wages and comply with FFP ? If so, Trez/Ghaz/Traore(?) are presumably the likely lads.I'd like to keep Traore. Happy to let Trez and ElGhazi go.
Same
Same here. Good shouts.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 07, 2022, 12:54:10 PM
Now, onto a left back and defensive midfielder....
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2022, 01:08:34 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2022, 01:17:23 PM
Biggest thing now is that holding mid. Get a proper player in there, and we are going to fly.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 07, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2022, 01:29:49 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 07, 2022, 02:16:22 PM
Post by: KRS on January 07, 2022, 02:20:22 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 07, 2022, 02:21:21 PM
we still need fullbacks that can do more than put in poor crosses or pass backwards.This is what some guy on twitter is saying:
Borna Sosa was the original LB target (its interesting that no media has mentioned it). However Villas original offer was not close to what #VfB are demanding (excess of 25M). With Digne now available, Villa are keeping their cards open (Hickey too).
It’s seems that Chelsea’s interest in Digne will be decisive for the LB Villa go for. If Chelsea #CFC don’t target him, then it’s an open run for Villa to snatch him from
Post by: Dr Butler on January 07, 2022, 02:23:01 PM
Got to get a big holding mid to win the ball and get it to the front players.
that Rice fella from Wet Sham would be nice ;)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2022, 02:25:28 PM
I’d be prepared to give Traore this season to prove his worth in the squad, but Trez and El Ghazi are squad players at best so will be even further down the pecking order now. Unfortunately they aren’t good enough at this level and certainly not where we want to go. Thanks for the service but time to move both of them on.
Trouble is Traore is going to miss the next couple of weeks at least in the Afcon with Burkino Faso.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 02:27:52 PM
we still need fullbacks that can do more than put in poor crosses or pass backwards.This is what some guy on twitter is saying:
Borna Sosa was the original LB target (its interesting that no media has mentioned it). However Villas original offer was not close to what #VfB are demanding (excess of 25M). With Digne now available, Villa are keeping their cards open (Hickey too).
It’s seems that Chelsea’s interest in Digne will be decisive for the LB Villa go for. If Chelsea #CFC don’t target him, then it’s an open run for Villa to snatch him from
Let Chelsea snatch him and sign Alonso instead.
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
I announced Gerrard first as well I believe.
All eyes on you next couple of transfer windows. Great shout btw.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2022, 02:34:28 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
I announced Gerrard first as well I believe.
All eyes on you next couple of transfer windows. Great shout btw.
He got Joe signing the new contract first as well, IIRC.
Post by: enigma on January 07, 2022, 02:37:31 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2022, 03:21:19 PM
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2022, 03:43:11 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 07, 2022, 03:43:27 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
I announced Gerrard first as well I believe.
All eyes on you next couple of transfer windows. Great shout btw.
He got Joe signing the new contract first as well, IIRC.
Haha!
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2022, 03:46:51 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 07, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
I confidently expect a statement signing. The sort of " we have a load of cash and are going to back our new manager" kind of signing... Lukaku is apparently unhappy at Chelsea...
Coutinho. You heard it here first (maybe).
I announced Gerrard first as well I believe.
All eyes on you next couple of transfer windows. Great shout btw.
I’m impressed by the info of the bloke, an old mate, who’s messaging me. He sent me the voicemail he got from his contact and I was pretty surprised when it came true. I posted without any expectations really, but if I get anything else from him I’ll post it and we can keep an eye on it.
Post by: Beard82 on January 07, 2022, 04:04:55 PM
Post by: john e on January 07, 2022, 04:08:28 PM
No to Bissomma - unless the legal stuff is sorted
Can’t see him going anywhere until thats sorted
Post by: andyh on January 07, 2022, 04:09:25 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2022, 04:10:11 PM
Bissouma (innocence dependent) would be as exciting a signing as Coutinho.
Not for me. Very good yes, but not as exciting.
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2022, 04:20:51 PM
On SKY's transfer talk at lunchtime, they said Villa were not interested in Coutinho
Sky on top form again.
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2022, 04:27:05 PM
I heard somewhere else that Gerrard has been talking to Coutinho since mid November about coming to Villa and even devised a training plan for him to be fit when he gets here. Make what you like of that.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2022, 04:33:29 PM
He's 29 in July. It would mean our last 3 big money signings (Ings, Coutinho and Digne) would be 28+ I think this is ok for statement signings to move us to the next level like Coutinho and a lesser extent Ings, but I'm not sure I want us spending £25m on 28 y/o fullbacks.
As for Bissouma, if the sex pestery was not an issue, he'd be perfect. Unfortunately it is and I doubt he'll be going anywhere.
Post by: villadelph on January 07, 2022, 04:34:01 PM
Bissouma (innocence dependent) would be as exciting a signing as Coutinho.
Not for me. Very good yes, but not as exciting.
At least it shows that the club are focusing on the same positions that we are.
Is Kessie available?
Post by: Beard82 on January 07, 2022, 04:35:28 PM
I'm not sure about Digne. Great going forward but very suspect defensively.Agreed - I like the sound of the scottish one
He's 29 in July. It would mean our last 3 big money signings (Ings, Coutinho and Digne) would be 28+ I think this is ok for statement signings to move us to the next level like Coutinho and a lesser extent Ings, but I'm not sure I want us spending £25m on 28 y/o fullbacks.
As for Bissouma, if the sex pestery was not an issue, he'd be perfect. Unfortunately it is and I doubt he'll be going anywhere.
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2022, 04:35:58 PM
I'm not sure about Digne. Great going forward but very suspect defensively.
He's 29 in July. It would mean our last 3 big money signings (Ings, Coutinho and Digne) would be 28+ I think this is ok for statement signings to move us to the next level like Coutinho and a lesser extent Ings, but I'm not sure I want us spending £25m on 28 y/o fullbacks.
As for Bissouma, if the sex pestery was not an issue, he'd be perfect. Unfortunately it is and I doubt he'll be going anywhere.
The age issues are a concern. We got stung this way when John Gregory and MON ran things. I think that Johan Lange is in place purely for recruiting youth players at this stage.
Post by: LeonW on January 07, 2022, 04:37:22 PM
Yes Sky there as always.
I heard somewhere else that Gerrard has been talking to Coutinho since mid November about coming to Villa and even devised a training plan for him to be fit when he gets here. Make what you like of that.
I follow the rule that whatever they say about us, the opposite applies.
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2022, 04:38:47 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 07, 2022, 04:42:36 PM
One article said we were after Stuttgart's Borna Sosa but they've quoted £25m and we're using Digne as a smoke screen to negotiate them down.
Could be on to something there. Can't see Gerrard wanting Digne after reading Benitez's comments today on the player.
Post by: Steve67 on January 07, 2022, 05:04:58 PM
One article said we were after Stuttgart's Borna Sosa but they've quoted £25m and we're using Digne as a smoke screen to negotiate them down.
Could be on to something there. Can't see Gerrard wanting Digne after reading Benitez's comments today on the player.
I agree Mark, he clearly wants him out and he’s only talking down the price with these comments. Not sure Digne has the right attitude.
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2022, 05:07:33 PM
Bissouma (innocence dependent) would be as exciting a signing as Coutinho.
Not for me. Very good yes, but not as exciting.
At least it shows that the club are focusing on the same positions that we are.
Is Kessie available?
We loaned him out to Swindon in August, he's doing well but has a long way to go before he's ready to compete with Cash.
Post by: john e on January 07, 2022, 05:10:42 PM
No to Bissomma - unless the legal stuff is sorted
Can’t see him going anywhere until thats sorted
Big rumours that we are in for him so I could be wrong
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 07, 2022, 05:12:04 PM
Will be on the Box laterBissouma (innocence dependent) would be as exciting a signing as Coutinho.
Not for me. Very good yes, but not as exciting.
At least it shows that the club are focusing on the same positions that we are.
Is Kessie available?
We loaned him out to Swindon in August, he's doing well but has a long way to go before he's ready to compete with Cash.
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2022, 05:40:57 PM
No to Bissomma - unless the legal stuff is sorted
Can’t see him going anywhere until thats sorted
Big rumours that we are in for him so I could be wrong
Not sure if I’m happy with us enquiring afar about a player who’s under suspicion for sexual assault though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
No to Bissomma - unless the legal stuff is sorted
Can’t see him going anywhere until thats sorted
Big rumours that we are in for him so I could be wrong
Not sure if I’m happy with us enquiring afar about a player who’s under suspicion for sexual assault though.
I would assume the club will do their due diligence though before proceeding with anything. And we need to be careful we are not judging someone based on suspicion.
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 07, 2022, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 07, 2022, 07:11:59 PM
In my mind keeping smith would have been as effective because all that is built in summer with Bailey , Buendia and Ings will be lost due to system.
Not only that quite frankly we need far better full backs and a system that remains the same with little flexibility means need for higher calibre of players.
We arent there yet but we were building now it's like we're building again
All a bit confusing as last thing we want unbalance
Defensive midfielder certainly needed and now we need full backs who can actually cross and the players to have an understanding of the possession based game and roles they all have to play.
This will mean it takes longer for us to get to where we want to go and 8-10th place is touch and go so really this window has to be all out for 3 more players level of Coutinho.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2022, 07:45:12 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2022, 07:55:03 PM
Post by: algy on January 07, 2022, 08:31:45 PM
Good to have you back Footy+1. Great to see you again, dude
Post by: ROBBO on January 07, 2022, 08:48:53 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 07, 2022, 08:52:36 PM
3 or more players of Coutinho’s quality? Blimey you’re not asking much!
Three more players like the third most expensive player of all time. Sounds eminently doable to me, and we have 23 more days to get it done. #NoExcuses.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2022, 09:08:09 PM
No to Bissomma - unless the legal stuff is sorted
Can’t see him going anywhere until thats sorted
Big rumours that we are in for him so I could be wrong
Not sure if I’m happy with us enquiring afar about a player who’s under suspicion for sexual assault though.
I would assume the club will do their due diligence though before proceeding with anything. And we need to be careful we are not judging someone based on suspicion.
It's not just suspicion, is it?
Suspicion is, "I've heard that Richard Gere shoves hamsters up a toilet roll tube stuck up his arse"
Bissouma is he's on bail for sexual assault.
Until there's zero chance of having your signing go to prison, nobody is going to touch him with a shitty stick.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2022, 09:10:59 PM
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Sussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Thursday 27 January.
A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has been released under investigation while inquiries continue.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2022, 09:12:34 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on January 07, 2022, 09:23:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 07, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
One article said we were after Stuttgart's Borna Sosa but they've quoted £25m and we're using Digne as a smoke screen to negotiate them down.
Could be on to something there. Can't see Gerrard wanting Digne after reading Benitez's comments today on the player.
the girlfriend said sign him (sosa)up, no idea why
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 07, 2022, 09:43:58 PM
Well actually it is suspicionQuoteSussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Thursday 27 January.
A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has been released under investigation while inquiries continue.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
I was accused of rape once, a girl threw hee self at me all night at a party but she was in a relationship so I said no. The next morning police came to arrest me for rape.
Thank the lord above I didnt touch her as she admitted everything when they brought out the swab kit thing. To this day I wonder what would of happened if I didn't reject her and had slept with her. I Imagine I would of spent the last 15 plus years in prison as a totally innocent man.
Not saying he is guilty or not guilty but should remain innocent until proven otherwise as there are many crazy people in this world who make up all kinds of things for one reason or another.
I also think if he was as guilty as lets say the Man City left back seems to be then he would not have been out on bail this whole time.
Post by: darren woolley on January 07, 2022, 09:59:54 PM
Well actually it is suspicionQuoteSussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Thursday 27 January.
A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has been released under investigation while inquiries continue.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
I was accused of rape once, a girl threw hee self at me all night at a party but she was in a relationship so I said no. The next morning police came to arrest me for rape.
Thank the lord above I didnt touch her as she admitted everything when they brought out the swab kit thing. To this day I wonder what would of happened if I didn't reject her and had slept with her. I Imagine I would of spent the last 15 plus years in prison as a totally innocent man.
Not saying he is guilty or not guilty but should remain innocent until proven otherwise as there are many crazy people in this world who make up all kinds of things for one reason or another.
I also think if he was as guilty as lets say the Man City left back seems to be then he would not have been out on bail this whole time.
Bloody hell HT you were very very lucky you didn't sleep with her.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 07, 2022, 10:03:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2022, 10:07:35 PM
Well actually it is suspicionQuoteSussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Thursday 27 January.
A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has been released under investigation while inquiries continue.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
It is beyond idle 'suspicion'. He's on bail for it. He's not guilty, but it is a clear possible obstacle to signing him.
Post by: Smirker on January 07, 2022, 10:11:33 PM
Our owners aren't messing around.
They are absolutely determined to assemble a top four quality squad and bully our way into the CL spots.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 07, 2022, 10:27:03 PM
Yes that is scary , did she receive any punishment for lying
Community service for wasting police time and named and shamed in the paper.
That was really my sliding doors moment, everything in my life changed that day.
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2022, 10:31:22 PM
Well actually it is suspicionQuoteSussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Thursday 27 January.
A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has been released under investigation while inquiries continue.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
I was accused of rape once, a girl threw hee self at me all night at a party but she was in a relationship so I said no. The next morning police came to arrest me for rape.
Thank the lord above I didnt touch her as she admitted everything when they brought out the swab kit thing. To this day I wonder what would of happened if I didn't reject her and had slept with her. I Imagine I would of spent the last 15 plus years in prison as a totally innocent man.
Not saying he is guilty or not guilty but should remain innocent until proven otherwise as there are many crazy people in this world who make up all kinds of things for one reason or another.
I also think if he was as guilty as lets say the Man City left back seems to be then he would not have been out on bail this whole time.
I reckon that's highly unlikely, most rape support groups suggest that for every innocent man who gets found guilty there are many, many more guilty men who never see the inside of a cell.
On Bissouma specifically I hope we don't go anywhere near him in this window. Whether he's guilty or not we'd show the world that we were willing to sign someone during a very serious investigation against him, that's just not a good pr move and I can't imagine the owners/ceo would be stupid enough to not realise that.
Post by: Steve67 on January 07, 2022, 10:34:12 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 07, 2022, 10:44:36 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2022, 10:50:43 PM
Whilst in Barcelona, can’t we just pick up Frenkie de Jong? He’s for sale and they can share a private jet to the UK so will save a few quid.
That would honestly make me more excited than Coutinho, quality player.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 07, 2022, 11:01:03 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2022, 11:03:06 PM
In terms of a left back, Aaron Hickey looks very exciting going forward but his defensive stats are awful. I can't see him being ready to start in the PL for some time and would look like one for the future. I'm not sure this is where we're at with our need for a leftback?
It's a bit of competition for Targett. Targett is only 26 so could be more improvement in him. Also lets Hickey bed in properly before challenging for a regular spot. Absolute no to Digne, 29 and can't defend to save himself. Some club will get mugged there.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2022, 12:08:41 AM
Zakaria would be my number 1 priority now. The fullbacks will do for this season if money is tight but we need a beefcake in midfield and he is one of the best around. 6 foot 3, 25 years old and an absolute destroyer. 30-50 million would be my guess at his cost though
Out of contact this summer, £20 will get him. He'd be my target too, Bissouma is a hell of a player, but in his current situation not one I wild be buying.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 08, 2022, 12:39:19 AM
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2022, 12:47:26 AM
The system Gerrard deploying is crying out for more creativity so I'm glad in that regard we actually have a number 10 but where do other signings from the summer fit in. And what exactly is going on with the changing up of things.
In my mind keeping smith would have been as effective because all that is built in summer with Bailey , Buendia and Ings will be lost due to system.
Not only that quite frankly we need far better full backs and a system that remains the same with little flexibility means need for higher calibre of players.
We arent there yet but we were building now it's like we're building again
All a bit confusing as last thing we want unbalance
Defensive midfielder certainly needed and now we need full backs who can actually cross and the players to have an understanding of the possession based game and roles they all have to play.
This will mean it takes longer for us to get to where we want to go and 8-10th place is touch and go so really this window has to be all out for 3 more players level of Coutinho.
It's like he's never been away!
We don't have a system based on the three new players, because Bailey has started the grand total of four games, and is now out until god knows when.
As for keeping Smith, did you watch any of the last 5 games under him? We were an absolute embarrassing shambles.
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2022, 12:48:57 AM
Zakaria would be my number 1 priority now. The fullbacks will do for this season if money is tight but we need a beefcake in midfield and he is one of the best around. 6 foot 3, 25 years old and an absolute destroyer. 30-50 million would be my guess at his cost though
Out of contact this summer, £20 will get him. He'd be my target too, Bissouma is a hell of a player, but in his current situation not one I wild be buying.
I can't see that we'll be going anywhere near him. His bail keeps getting extended, so there's no way we'll know if he's going to prison or not before the end of January.
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2022, 02:34:56 AM
Post by: steamer on January 08, 2022, 04:50:35 AM
Seems a troublemaker that Everton want rid off, last type of character we want in the dressing room
Post by: ROBBO on January 08, 2022, 06:04:32 AM
Post by: Big Ming on January 08, 2022, 07:13:14 AM
The system Gerrard deploying is crying out for more creativity so I'm glad in that regard we actually have a number 10 but where do other signings from the summer fit in. And what exactly is going on with the changing up of things.
In my mind keeping smith would have been as effective because all that is built in summer with Bailey , Buendia and Ings will be lost due to system.
Not only that quite frankly we need far better full backs and a system that remains the same with little flexibility means need for higher calibre of players.
We arent there yet but we were building now it's like we're building again
All a bit confusing as last thing we want unbalance
Defensive midfielder certainly needed and now we need full backs who can actually cross and the players to have an understanding of the possession based game and roles they all have to play.
This will mean it takes longer for us to get to where we want to go and 8-10th place is touch and go so really this window has to be all out for 3 more players level of Coutinho.
It's like he's never been away!
We don't have a system based on the three new players, because Bailey has started the grand total of four games, and is now out until god knows when.
As for keeping Smith, did you watch any of the last 5 games under him? We were an absolute embarrassing shambles.
Um! .... Brentford was a very typically Smith-like performance.
Gerrard knows what needs to be done though so I'm not too worried.
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2022, 08:40:50 AM
The system Gerrard deploying is crying out for more creativity so I'm glad in that regard we actually have a number 10 but where do other signings from the summer fit in. And what exactly is going on with the changing up of things.
In my mind keeping smith would have been as effective because all that is built in summer with Bailey , Buendia and Ings will be lost due to system.
Not only that quite frankly we need far better full backs and a system that remains the same with little flexibility means need for higher calibre of players.
We arent there yet but we were building now it's like we're building again
All a bit confusing as last thing we want unbalance
Defensive midfielder certainly needed and now we need full backs who can actually cross and the players to have an understanding of the possession based game and roles they all have to play.
This will mean it takes longer for us to get to where we want to go and 8-10th place is touch and go so really this window has to be all out for 3 more players level of Coutinho.
It's like he's never been away!
We don't have a system based on the three new players, because Bailey has started the grand total of four games, and is now out until god knows when.
As for keeping Smith, did you watch any of the last 5 games under him? We were an absolute embarrassing shambles.
Um! .... Brentford was a very typically Smith-like performance.
Gerrard knows what needs to be done though so I'm not too worried.
We played well in the first half at Brentford. Much better than we did in any of Smith's last games.
Post by: Mister E on January 08, 2022, 09:33:19 AM
My guess is that we might try and offload the two AFCON players, if that's possible during the tournament: we are now well-loaded for MF and 10's (assuming a Zakaria-type signing).
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Surel we will be soon see players leaving to make room for all these stars that are in-coming.good
Post by: Smirker on January 08, 2022, 09:46:06 AM
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Zakaria and Hickey would make this an outstanding window. Frankie de Jong would be an amazing addition.
My guess is that we might try and offload the two AFCON players, if that's possible during the tournament: we are now well-loaded for MF and 10's (assuming a Zakaria-type signing).
Trez and El Ghazi will be off I'd say. If we can recoup £25m-30m for them then we turn a profit and finally play the other side of the market well too.
£15m net spend a season gets you one of the best sides in Europe.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2022, 09:55:26 AM
De Jong would be an absolutely outrageous signing. For the right reasons.Man City are after him
Post by: Smirker on January 08, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 10:26:50 AM
£25-30m from El Ghazi and Trezeguet sales would be an unbelievable performance.
There are always idiots out there, Historically they worked for Villa. Maybe Newcastle will get desperate when they realise nobody worth their salt wants to play for them or Eddie Howe.
I would say 10 each is within the realms of possibility. Anwar maybe 15 because his prem return rate is actually pretty decent
Post by: nigel on January 08, 2022, 10:47:29 AM
£25-30m from El Ghazi and Trezeguet sales would be an unbelievable performance.
There are always idiots out there, Historically they worked for Villa. Maybe Newcastle will get desperate when they realise nobody worth their salt wants to play for them or Eddie Howe.
I would say 10 each is within the realms of possibility. Anwar maybe 15 because his prem return rate is actually pretty decent
I’d reckon AEG could easily bring in £20m. Especially if it’s true that WHU are looking. He’s a fine player, just a touch inconsistent. Definitely a mid table prem player.
If you banged out one of these YouTube highlights you would be looking at a £40m player
Trez is slightly different.
Just coming back from a bad injury. Decent player, and has had a few moments, too.
I reckon he’d do well in a top 6 championship team.
I’d certainly put him in the £10m range
Post by: jwarry on January 08, 2022, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2022, 10:51:27 AM
Just nosing around Brightons forums and they clearly rate Bissouma highly, suggesting he would only move to a much bigger club ( they don’t class in that category 😂). They seem to think the only reason the big clubs haven’t made their move is because of his impending court case
I had a look at a Brighton forum once, they came across as massively up their own arses, like they were some sleeping giant not just a poxy seaside club that spent years playing at the equivalent of the Sutton running track by Wyndley.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 08, 2022, 10:52:05 AM
£25-30m from El Ghazi and Trezeguet sales would be an unbelievable performance.
There are always idiots out there, Historically they worked for Villa. Maybe Newcastle will get desperate when they realise nobody worth their salt wants to play for them or Eddie Howe.
I would say 10 each is within the realms of possibility. Anwar maybe 15 because his prem return rate is actually pretty decent
I'd say in the current market El Ghazi has to be worth £15m. I'd still be happy with him here as a back up but now we have Watkins, Ings, Coutinho, Traore, Beundia, Bailey and Bidace for the attacking positions i would sell and use the money for defensive positions. I would offload Trez certainly who you can't help but like (apart from that incident the other day) but is clearly well off the standard for the most part. I think we paid about £10m for him, probably get £7m ish back maybe, not sure what his contract situation is?
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 10:52:46 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2022, 11:02:06 AM
Do we move this window or wait.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2022, 11:04:52 AM
Available at 15m. Just the sort of energy needed in the squad.
Post by: Monty on January 08, 2022, 11:05:55 AM
But seriously I do think Villa could still go in for Cantwell.
Available at 15m. Just the sort of energy needed in the squad.
Coutinho needs someone to do his laces?
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2022, 11:06:13 AM
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2022, 11:08:36 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 08, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 11:18:36 AM
Footy back and trolling.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 08, 2022, 11:20:06 AM
Or hairstyle advice?But seriously I do think Villa could still go in for Cantwell.
Available at 15m. Just the sort of energy needed in the squad.
Coutinho needs someone to do his laces?
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2022, 12:01:53 PM
Cantwell and Spearing would be good preparation for our tilt at the League 1 title in 2 years.
Footy back and trolling.
Don't be so hasty, a 33 year old out of contract ex Blackpool and Tranmere midfielder could be just what we need. I'd imagine we'd be in for some hefty competition for his signature though.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 08, 2022, 12:19:06 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 08, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: nigel on January 08, 2022, 12:37:14 PM
Trez will go back to Turkey. Confident we'd get £10m for him. El Ghazi at £15m is a decent price and £5m profit.
I really think people are underpricing AEG.
Inconsistent, yes, but I really think he’s better than most give him credit for.
I’d certainly be looking at £20m
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 08, 2022, 12:45:58 PM
Cantwell and Spearing would be good preparation for our tilt at the League 1 title in 2 years.
Footy back and trolling.
I think he was joking with Spearing but quite why we’d go for Cantwell when we’ve just signed Coutinho is anyone’s guess. Plus the fact that he’s not really much good anyway, consistently at any rate.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 08, 2022, 12:46:12 PM
I rated Cantwell til about 3(?) weeks ago.
Cantwell looked the part about 3 or 4 seasons ago, he’s mince these days.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 08, 2022, 01:01:54 PM
Cantwell ain’t good enough for where we need to move towards. Also it’s not an area we need to fill.
Cantwell would be well suited to the Villa only if you're talking about the Villa on Tour mob, completing the set of Villa's Inbetweeners.
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 08, 2022, 01:04:09 PM
Trez will go back to Turkey. Confident we'd get £10m for him. El Ghazi at £15m is a decent price and £5m profit.
I really think people are underpricing AEG.
Inconsistent, yes, but I really think he’s better than most give him credit for.
I’d certainly be looking at £20m
Absolutely - it might be familiarity breeding contempt, but if you look at his record, age, premier league experience etc. then I’d say £20 million is the going rate. Not sure how long is left on his contract, but I’d be disappointed if we didn’t get a decent wedge for him. I would not be at all surprised if we could screw 20-25 million out of Newcastle by the end of the window, for instance.
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 01:04:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 08, 2022, 01:42:49 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 08, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
Cantwell ain’t good enough for where we need to move towards. Also it’s not an area we need to fill.
Got Leeds all over it ..he can spend talking hairstyles in the dressing room with the rest of Leeds players
Post by: Chris Smith on January 08, 2022, 02:17:38 PM
Cantwell ain’t good enough for where we need to move towards. Also it’s not an area we need to fill.
Got Leeds all over it ..he can spend talking hairstyles in the dressing room with the rest of Leeds players
I reckon he’s to lazy to play the Bielsa way, he’d be knackered after 15 minutes.
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2022, 04:26:36 PM
But seriously I do think Villa could still go in for Cantwell.
Available at 15m. Just the sort of energy needed in the squad.
Never a quality PL player in a million years….average fish in a poor side would be 15m totally wasted
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 04:38:35 PM
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
I rated Cantwell til about 3(?) weeks ago.
Did he nick the Christmas tree you had chosen ?!
Post by: jwarry on January 08, 2022, 05:06:16 PM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Have a good long bath when you get home
Post by: sickbeggar on January 08, 2022, 05:11:09 PM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2022, 05:14:33 PM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
I hope you’re triple masking there.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2022, 05:14:56 PM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Must have won them, he's too wealthy to be a director at Blose.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 05:30:24 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 08, 2022, 05:32:30 PM
Just in case you have been appointed Directors I have one word for you ..... liabilities.I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Run far and run fast.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2022, 06:12:34 PM
I rated Cantwell til about 3(?) weeks ago.
Did he nick the Christmas tree you had chosen ?!
Haha!
No, seriously, he was absolutely shite against us.
Post by: dave shelley on January 08, 2022, 06:16:54 PM
Tbf I was offered a chance to start
Be careful if you buy a raffle ticket, you could win a tenner for first prize, the second prize being the club!
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 06:17:01 PM
Just in case you have been appointed Directors I have one word for you ..... liabilities.I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Run far and run fast.
This is the worst 45 mins of "football" I've ever seen. Its like a library in here
Post by: TheMalandro on January 08, 2022, 06:26:49 PM
Just in case you have been appointed Directors I have one word for you ..... liabilities.I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Run far and run fast.
This is the worst 45 mins of "football" I've ever seen. Its like a library in here
Do they have curtains? Just eat and drink.
Post by: algy on January 08, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
That's the super premium seats though, the ones where you get free food & booze AND don't have to watch them play.Just in case you have been appointed Directors I have one word for you ..... liabilities.I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Run far and run fast.
This is the worst 45 mins of "football" I've ever seen. Its like a library in here
Do they have curtains? Just eat and drink.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2022, 06:39:01 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 08, 2022, 06:46:29 PM
That's the super premium seats though, the ones where you get free food & booze AND don't have to watch them play.Just in case you have been appointed Directors I have one word for you ..... liabilities.I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Confused. You just won the seats or have actually been appointed Directors?
Run far and run fast.
This is the worst 45 mins of "football" I've ever seen. Its like a library in here
Do they have curtains? Just eat and drink.
The sensory deprivation suite!
Post by: algy on January 08, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
Yeah, think AEG is being undervalued. He's a player with a 2-and-a-bit years PL experience who last season scored 10 goals. We should be looking at £20m at least.Trez will go back to Turkey. Confident we'd get £10m for him. El Ghazi at £15m is a decent price and £5m profit.
I really think people are underpricing AEG.
Inconsistent, yes, but I really think he’s better than most give him credit for.
I’d certainly be looking at £20m
Trez - can't see us getting huge money for him. £5m to some Turkish side, or I'd let Newcastle have him for a knockdown discount price of £30m, plus add ons
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2022, 06:54:39 PM
That's the super premium seats though, the ones where you get free food & booze AND don't have to watch them play.
The sensory deprivation suite!
Believe so, the rest of the stadium is the common 'sense deprivation' area.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 08, 2022, 07:10:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 08, 2022, 07:29:45 PM
Cantwell and Spearing would be good preparation for our tilt at the League 1 title in 2 years.
Footy back and trolling.
Keep up. Spearing was a joke because of the whole Stevie G signs his friends and we need a DM.
Cantwell hasn't performed for a while but under Gerrard and new scene competing in squad is useful to have
Especially as new manager would like some of his own players rather than all of Deans.
Anyway say what you like we all want transfers just differing views
Like to see Lange and his task force to identify and bring someone in this window for the team.
Exciting times for sure.
Post by: Ads on January 08, 2022, 07:32:53 PM
Cantwell and Spearing would be good preparation for our tilt at the League 1 title in 2 years.
Footy back and trolling.
Keep up. Spearing was a joke because of the whole Steven G signs his friends and we need a DM.
Cantwell hasn't performed for a while but under Gerrard and new scene competing in squad is useful to have
Especially as new manager would like some of his own players rather than all of Deans.
Anyway say what you like we all want transfers just differing views
Like to see Lange and his task force to identify and bring someone in this window for the team.
Exciting times for sure.
Keep up? You used to bang on about signing Altidore for years, who can tell when you're joking.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2022, 07:36:28 PM
I've been warned. I'm sat behind Craig Gardner and cheered why the green army almost stole it at the death
Using your phone to post on H&V during the match might have been a factor too.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 08, 2022, 07:40:27 PM
I've been warned. I'm sat behind Craig Gardner and cheered why the green army almost stole it at the death
Using your phone to post on H&V during the match might have been a factor too.
Aye. Not the behaviour you'd expect from a Blose director frankly.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 08, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
I've been warned. I'm sat behind Craig Gardner and cheered why the green army almost stole it at the death
Using your phone to post on H&V during the match might have been a factor too.
Aye. Not the behaviour you'd expect from a Blose director frankly.
tell them we all say hi btw
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 07:43:21 PM
Up the f in green army
Post by: algy on January 08, 2022, 09:49:28 PM
I've stayed in the jasper Carrott suit for extra time. I've never cared less about a match than my day slumming it.I love how their main suite is the Jasper Carrott suite.
Up the f in green army
The cannon & ball lounge. The Russ Abbot Auditorium. The Jim Bowen Brasserie.
It's just ... funny.
Post by: dave shelley on January 08, 2022, 10:10:48 PM
I've stayed in the jasper Carrott suit for extra time. I've never cared less about a match than my day slumming it.
Up the f in green army
How did the lady referee get on? Genuine question.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2022, 10:48:43 PM
How did the lady referee get on? Genuine question.
According to SHA pretty well, no real complaints from them.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 08, 2022, 11:39:22 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 09, 2022, 01:12:49 AM
The best seats at the Sty are the ones that are turned away from the pitch
Or the ones located in the back of the police vans outside frequented so often by their faithful.
Post by: Jaffa on January 09, 2022, 01:29:07 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 09, 2022, 03:30:40 AM
Post by: ROBBO on January 09, 2022, 07:46:21 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 09, 2022, 07:59:01 AM
Sorry jaffa totally my fault. Zakaria is signing Monday anyway so all is good
He’ll do!
https://youtu.be/GpVF5yqk3RE
Post by: Jaffa on January 09, 2022, 08:29:05 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
Sorry jaffa totally my fault. Zakaria is signing Monday anyway so all is good
He's on a free-transfer in the summer, so I'll be very surprised if he moves in January, unless someone is willing to pay and fee and throw silly money at him.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2022, 09:23:10 AM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Many years ago our sales team got excited when we were told we had won a competition to watch a World Cup game, bags were hastily unpacked and excitement abated as it became clear that we were going to the Sty to watch an England game on the TV in one of the suites, albeit with free grog for the afternoon.
The Villa fans among us were rolling in the aisles at the Jasper Carrott Suite and the microscopic trophy cabinet where pride of place was given to an FC Barcelona ashtray they were given after a friendly. I also (lied) and told my nose mates for years that I couldn’t find the toilets so had pissed in the corner of the pitch. A good day in all. Then again we were the only ones there.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 09, 2022, 09:36:14 AM
I'm at the sty today. My mate won 6 directors box seats with free booze and free food and we still couldn't give away the remaining ticket.
Just a reminder there is always someone worse off than us haha. I'll keep my eye on Jobe and tell you if he's worth poaching
Many years ago our sales team got excited when we were told we had won a competition to watch a World Cup game, bags were hastily unpacked and excitement abated as it became clear that we were going to the Sty to watch an England game on the TV in one of the suites, albeit with free grog for the afternoon.
The Villa fans among us were rolling in the aisles at the Jasper Carrott Suite and the microscopic trophy cabinet where pride of place was given to an FC Barcelona ashtray they were given after a friendly. I also (lied) and told my nose mates for years that I couldn’t find the toilets so had pissed in the corner of the pitch. A good day in all. Then again we were the only ones there.
Why not? Barry Fry did.
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2022, 09:50:11 AM
She was decent tbf, no better or worse rhein the men. Apart from the fact she was 2 ft tall. Honestly she was tiny. . The sending off was justified and the game in general she managed well
Thanks HT. Great to see/know.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 09, 2022, 09:56:39 AM
Sorry jaffa totally my fault. Zakaria is signing Monday anyway so all is goodwhenever wherever
Post by: sickbeggar on January 09, 2022, 11:53:07 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 09, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
As well as that physical presence he'd give the midfield, we'd also have that extra height option when it comes to attacking and defending set pieces. For a club with a set piece coach, can only be a good thing.
I wonder with Everton with their FFP concerns might be tempted to cash in on Doucoure.
He's 29 now and midway through his contract, so less chance of them playing silly beggars with the fee.
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2022, 12:52:16 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.I'm sure we can chest our way ahead of those losers.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 09, 2022, 12:59:46 PM
Post by: john e on January 09, 2022, 01:04:35 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.I'm sure we can chest our way ahead of those losers.
Let’s hope it at all doesn’t go tits up
Post by: thick_mike on January 09, 2022, 01:06:14 PM
Post by: nigel on January 09, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Post by: sickbeggar on January 09, 2022, 01:17:06 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Think that's paper talk frankly and because he's linked to Newcastle. A 22 year old doesn't get that or anything like that unless he's a very very special talent.
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2022, 01:33:27 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Think that's paper talk frankly and because he's linked to Newcastle. A 22-year-old doesn't get that or anything like that unless he's a very very special talent.
They could if they're going for a free with no transfer fee involved. I'd guess half of that quote weekly figure is a signing on fee because he's "free". £20m over 5 years as the "fee" is £75k a week, and they'll pay him a wage of something like £75k-ish to bring it up to £150k. No idea whether that's good or bad for FFP, but might be a factor for some.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2022, 01:39:17 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Does seem a bit much for a 49 year old whose best days at Liverpool are long gone.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 09, 2022, 01:47:08 PM
And that they'll actually be some astute moves rather than have actually been planned long term
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2022, 01:57:40 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2022, 02:06:43 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 09, 2022, 02:13:42 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Think that's paper talk frankly and because he's linked to Newcastle. A 22-year-old doesn't get that or anything like that unless he's a very very special talent.
They could if they're going for a free with no transfer fee involved. I'd guess half of that quote weekly figure is a signing on fee because he's "free". £20m over 5 years as the "fee" is £75k a week, and they'll pay him a wage of something like £75k-ish to bring it up to £150k. No idea whether that's good or bad for FFP, but might be a factor for some.
Well a lot of factors come into it like how much his club want to lose a player for nothing. Obviously the fee would be negotiated between all 3 parties to take that into account, but if you have Bissouma going for 30+m and top wages as well, it could represent good value overall. Obviously if one of the big guys have already snapped him up in the summer on a free then its dead in the water. Again I can't see him getting 7m a year in wages as a 22 year old u21 player or West Ham sniffing around if that's what he wants.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 09, 2022, 03:24:44 PM
Post by: frank black on January 09, 2022, 03:49:26 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 09, 2022, 04:29:31 PM
I’d be amazed if get Bissouma, I’d imagine he’d have his pick of a few top top teams in the summer. Can’t see anyone taking a risk whilst his sexual assault charge is over his head. He will definitely be sold in the summer though, with just 1 year left on the contract.After watching the youtube on Zakaria, I can't see the point in looking at Bissouma!
Post by: Londonvilla on January 09, 2022, 04:37:05 PM
Playing first-team football at 17 is a good sign
BID PLACED Dundee United star Kerr Smith subject of Aston Villa transfer bid as ex-Rangers boss Steven Gerrard makes his move
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8254629/dundee-united-kerr-smith-aston-villa-transfer-bid-gerrard/
Aston Villa make move for Dundee United star Kerr Smith – but could Premier League offer spark bidding war?
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/2892387/aston-villa-make-move-for-dundee-united-star-kerr-smith-but-could-premier-league-offer-spark-bidding-war/
Aston Villa are the latest English Premiership club to credited with an interest in Dundee United’s teenage right-back Kerr Smith.
STEVEN GERRARD’S ASTON VILLA MAKE SIX-FIGURE BID FOR CELTIC TARGET
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/09/aston-villa-dundee-united-celtic-kerr-smith-january-transfer-report/
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/kerr-smith-another-epl-club-joins-race-to-sign-coveted-dundee-united-full-back-3520417
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 09, 2022, 05:33:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 09, 2022, 05:54:05 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2022, 05:59:54 PM
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 09, 2022, 06:02:53 PM
He's a big unit for an 17 year old or any age come to think about it.Looks a bit big and clumsy to me, like he hasn't quite grown into his body yet. I guess he's got plenty of time to develop.
Post by: Dazvillain on January 09, 2022, 06:06:09 PM
Advanced talks for Digne I hear.Targett must be gutted, hardly missed a game in last couple of years
Post by: richtheholtender on January 09, 2022, 06:07:23 PM
It appears that the Villa have made an offer in the high six-figures for the Dundee United star Kerr who is a highly rated 17-year-old.
Playing first-team football at 17 is a good sign
BID PLACED Dundee United star Kerr Smith subject of Aston Villa transfer bid as ex-Rangers boss Steven Gerrard makes his move
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8254629/dundee-united-kerr-smith-aston-villa-transfer-bid-gerrard/
Aston Villa make move for Dundee United star Kerr Smith – but could Premier League offer spark bidding war?
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/2892387/aston-villa-make-move-for-dundee-united-star-kerr-smith-but-could-premier-league-offer-spark-bidding-war/
Aston Villa are the latest English Premiership club to credited with an interest in Dundee United’s teenage right-back Kerr Smith.
STEVEN GERRARD’S ASTON VILLA MAKE SIX-FIGURE BID FOR CELTIC TARGET
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/09/aston-villa-dundee-united-celtic-kerr-smith-january-transfer-report/
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/kerr-smith-another-epl-club-joins-race-to-sign-coveted-dundee-united-full-back-3520417
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right back
Post by: Dave P on January 09, 2022, 06:08:59 PM
He's a big unit for an 17 year old or any age come to think about it.Looks a bit big and clumsy to me, like he hasn't quite grown into his body yet. I guess he's got plenty of time to develop.
But imagine him and Josh Feeney in a few years. Both units.
Post by: olaftab on January 09, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right backYou can never have enough right backs in the squad.
Post by: frank black on January 09, 2022, 06:11:43 PM
I’d be amazed if get Bissouma, I’d imagine he’d have his pick of a few top top teams in the summer. Can’t see anyone taking a risk whilst his sexual assault charge is over his head. He will definitely be sold in the summer though, with just 1 year left on the contract.After watching the youtube on Zakaria, I can't see the point in looking at Bissouma!
Judging players via these YouTube reels is never ideal. My lad says he’s a good player, but he works on FIFA and YouTube when rating players 😂. I’ve got no clue about him. Bissouma is the finished article in the prem and would be my first choice. But as I said we may well be looking elsewhere
Post by: darren woolley on January 09, 2022, 06:12:57 PM
Post by: frank black on January 09, 2022, 06:13:16 PM
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right backYou can never have enough right backs in the squad.
Who’s the right back we are signing? Ignore me is this the lad from Dundee…one for the future I guess
Post by: Londonvilla on January 09, 2022, 06:17:33 PM
It appears that the Villa have made an offer in the high six-figures for the Dundee United star Kerr who is a highly rated 17-year-old.
Playing first-team football at 17 is a good sign
BID PLACED Dundee United star Kerr Smith subject of Aston Villa transfer bid as ex-Rangers boss Steven Gerrard makes his move
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8254629/dundee-united-kerr-smith-aston-villa-transfer-bid-gerrard/
Aston Villa make move for Dundee United star Kerr Smith – but could Premier League offer spark bidding war?
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/2892387/aston-villa-make-move-for-dundee-united-star-kerr-smith-but-could-premier-league-offer-spark-bidding-war/
Aston Villa are the latest English Premiership club to credited with an interest in Dundee United’s teenage right-back Kerr Smith.
STEVEN GERRARD’S ASTON VILLA MAKE SIX-FIGURE BID FOR CELTIC TARGET
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/09/aston-villa-dundee-united-celtic-kerr-smith-january-transfer-report/
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/kerr-smith-another-epl-club-joins-race-to-sign-coveted-dundee-united-full-back-3520417
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right back
to send him to a championship team?
Post by: nigel on January 09, 2022, 06:17:49 PM
Looks like we are after Lucas Digne negotiations are at an advanced stage.
Interesting, especially if we’re still in for Hickey
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:20:02 PM
Post by: nigel on January 09, 2022, 06:20:11 PM
It appears that the Villa have made an offer in the high six-figures for the Dundee United star Kerr who is a highly rated 17-year-old.
Playing first-team football at 17 is a good sign
BID PLACED Dundee United star Kerr Smith subject of Aston Villa transfer bid as ex-Rangers boss Steven Gerrard makes his move
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8254629/dundee-united-kerr-smith-aston-villa-transfer-bid-gerrard/
Aston Villa make move for Dundee United star Kerr Smith – but could Premier League offer spark bidding war?
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/2892387/aston-villa-make-move-for-dundee-united-star-kerr-smith-but-could-premier-league-offer-spark-bidding-war/
Aston Villa are the latest English Premiership club to credited with an interest in Dundee United’s teenage right-back Kerr Smith.
STEVEN GERRARD’S ASTON VILLA MAKE SIX-FIGURE BID FOR CELTIC TARGET
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/01/09/aston-villa-dundee-united-celtic-kerr-smith-january-transfer-report/
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/kerr-smith-another-epl-club-joins-race-to-sign-coveted-dundee-united-full-back-3520417
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right back
to send him to a championship team?
At a guess, if we sign this lad he’ll stay, on loan, at Dundee Utd for a bit longer
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:21:22 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 09, 2022, 06:21:54 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 09, 2022, 06:22:13 PM
Looks like we are after Lucas Digne negotiations are at an advanced stage.Don't rate him, not sufficiently better than Targett to upgrade that position
Post by: Matt C on January 09, 2022, 06:22:35 PM
Is Digne a loan or a permanent move do we know?
Permanent 20-25m
Post by: Eckybloke on January 09, 2022, 06:23:31 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
Is Digne a loan or a permanent move do we know?
Permanent 20-25m
Thanks Matt. Good to see us getting business done quickly and early in the window.
Post by: rougegorge on January 09, 2022, 06:36:17 PM
I've never been convinced when I've seen him play, but then he does get selected for the France squad which must mean he has something.Looks like we are after Lucas Digne negotiations are at an advanced stage.Don't rate him, not sufficiently better than Targett to upgrade that position
Apparently Matt Targett is our best 'progressive' passer this season, according to some stats.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2022, 06:39:53 PM
Is Digne a loan or a permanent move do we know?
Permanent 20-25m
Thanks Matt. Good to see us getting business done quickly and early in the window.
Not another ex-Barca player. *sigh*
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
Is Digne a loan or a permanent move do we know?
Permanent 20-25m
Thanks Matt. Good to see us getting business done quickly and early in the window.
Not another ex-Barca player. *sigh*
Oh FFS not another one!!
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2022, 07:01:37 PM
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2022, 07:03:25 PM
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2022, 07:05:16 PM
Kerr is more than a right back, he’s been playing CB and doing well. As a United fan as well, if he’s going anywhere then Villa would be fine, but United fans would rather he stayed and developed here.
He looked like he was playing as right centre back in some of the clips that were posted earlier. Just looking at his frame he looks like his best position will be right centre back.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 09, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right back
Think we would be signing him primarily as a centre back, to replace Tuanzebe and possibly Hause (if links to West Ham are true) as cover for Mings / Konsa. Also see we are still strongly linked to Joe Gomez so would not be surprised to see a centre back come in.
Post by: Smithy on January 09, 2022, 07:17:35 PM
Can't work out why we we've brought Hayden back to then go and sign another right back
Think we would be signing him primarily as a centre back, to replace Tuanzebe and possibly Hause (if links to West Ham are true) as cover for Mings / Konsa. Also see we are still strongly linked to Joe Gomez so would not be surprised to see a centre back come in.
There is no way we're buying a 17-year-old with a dozen games for Dundee to be our 3rd choice centre-back. Not in a million years.
One for the future, definitely. If true, it seems a signing like Ben Chrisene - a talented youngster who has broken into the first team at a lower level, but will likely join our academy (or more likely stay in Dundee in the short term).
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2022, 07:22:08 PM
Fabrizio Romano says that El Ghazi has been discussed while Villa and Everton have talked about a deal for Digne too.
That could work well for us. El Ghazi has been great for us but will be well down the pecking order when everyone is fit.
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2022, 07:24:56 PM
Looks like we are after Lucas Digne negotiations are at an advanced stage.Don't rate him, not sufficiently better than Targett to upgrade that position
I'm the same, 3 years older than Targett too. Everton must be giving him away.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 09, 2022, 07:25:19 PM
Fabrizio Romano says that El Ghazi has been discussed while Villa and Everton have talked about a deal for Digne too.
That could work well for us. El Ghazi has been great for us but will be well down the pecking order when everyone is fit.
I like El Ghazi, but switching out a 4th choice winger for a first choice left back makes sense. Especially with FFP to consider.
The way Gerrard plays El Ghazi will struggle for game time as he prefers players more central up front. Ditto Target who is not comfortable bombing forwards.
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 07:28:35 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 09, 2022, 07:30:31 PM
There is no way we're buying a 17-year-old with a dozen games for Dundee to be our 3rd choice centre-back. Not in a million years.
I’d like to state, on the record, he’s not made one appearance for Dundee…
😐🤣
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
Interesting because El Ghazi always seems to do well against Everton, apart from the miss from a couple of foot out when we won up there last season.
That was in a draw (1-1?) towards the end of the previous season when a lot of us thought we needed to won there to stay up.
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
Newcastle and West ham being linked with Boobie Kamara now. Be disappointed if he ends up at one of them considering he's out of contract in the summer.
He want £150k a week according to BBC sports gossip
Does seem a bit much for a 49 year old whose best days at Liverpool are long gone.
Titi Camara ! ;D
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 09, 2022, 07:46:33 PM
We mean business this window
Post by: Scovilla on January 09, 2022, 08:12:20 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 09, 2022, 08:46:23 PM
Interesting because El Ghazi always seems to do well against Everton, apart from the miss from a couple of foot out when we won up there last season.
That was in a draw (1-1?) towards the end of the previous season when a lot of us thought we needed to won there to stay up.
Yeah, we drew that one. Should have put us 2 up and about 10 minutes later Walcott scored against us, as always
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 09, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
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Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2022, 09:59:16 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 09:59:49 PM
Interesting because El Ghazi always seems to do well against Everton, apart from the miss from a couple of foot out when we won up there last season.
That was in a draw (1-1?) towards the end of the previous season when a lot of us thought we needed to won there to stay up.
I'm getting old! Bloody forgetful these days. You are quite right, would have put us 2-0.
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
Digne, Coutinho... Great. But utterly insane if we don't solve the same issue we didn't solve in the summer, holding midfield. And we need to at least loan in a cover centre back, although I think we will wait for the price of Nat Phillips at Liverpool to drop under 10m for that.
I couldn't agree more. the same old problems will continue if we don't address the DCM. Lack of physicality and shielding for the defence.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 09, 2022, 11:25:40 PM
The system Gerrard deploying is crying out for more creativity so I'm glad in that regard we actually have a number 10 but where do other signings from the summer fit in. And what exactly is going on with the changing up of things.
In my mind keeping smith would have been as effective because all that is built in summer with Bailey , Buendia and Ings will be lost due to system.
Not only that quite frankly we need far better full backs and a system that remains the same with little flexibility means need for higher calibre of players.
We arent there yet but we were building now it's like we're building again
All a bit confusing as last thing we want unbalance
Defensive midfielder certainly needed and now we need full backs who can actually cross and the players to have an understanding of the possession based game and roles they all have to play.
This will mean it takes longer for us to get to where we want to go and 8-10th place is touch and go so really this window has to be all out for 3 more players level of Coutinho.
It's great to see that what I advocated due to what l foresaw that these new players are needed with the upgrade in the left back in Targett to Digne as is suspected . Designer international quality players
What I am concerned is the transfer strategy that has come about as both signings are ones that havent been of a long term planning list from say the summer or Lange tenure.
They have come about and necessarily so due to new manager and coaches
Not complaining other than we are now taking short term gains route but there is concern to what goes on by the recruitment people if they haven't actually come up with any individual selections .
Anyone could have pointed out these 2 brilliant moves Lange and his scouts need to be picking some players out too in supplementing this and future windows.
Class by Gerrard so far though.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 09, 2022, 11:28:57 PM
Digne, Coutinho... Great. But utterly insane if we don't solve the same issue we didn't solve in the summer, holding midfield. And we need to at least loan in a cover centre back, although I think we will wait for the price of Nat Phillips at Liverpool to drop under 10m for that.
I couldn't agree more. the same old problems will continue if we don't address the DCM. Lack of physicality and shielding for the defence.
Think we'll go big for Bissouma late on in the window with all the recent rumours. Depends how far Mail go in AFCON but he should be back in UK by end of Jan.
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2022, 11:34:12 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 09, 2022, 11:35:50 PM
I hope so SHQ. Quality player.
Agreed, would suit us down to a tee.
Get the feeling clubs also done some digging into his background and probably will be decision on whether police proceed with the allegations against him currently as been a few months now since his arrest.
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2022, 11:38:23 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2022, 11:46:07 PM
A classic 1990’s player plus cash swap on the cards? I feel like I’m playing Champ Man. It feels like heaven!!
CB and DM and we are looking exciting.
Had anybody seen Tonton Zola Moukoko??
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 10, 2022, 12:52:40 AM
Digne, Coutinho... Great. But utterly insane if we don't solve the same issue we didn't solve in the summer, holding midfield. And we need to at least loan in a cover centre back, although I think we will wait for the price of Nat Phillips at Liverpool to drop under 10m for that.
I couldn't agree more. the same old problems will continue if we don't address the DCM. Lack of physicality and shielding for the defence.
Think we'll go big for Bissouma late on in the window with all the recent rumours. Depends how far Mail go in AFCON but he should be back in UK by end of Jan.
I didn't realise they had such Reach.
Post by: PhilVill on January 10, 2022, 06:58:57 AM
Post by: Big Ming on January 10, 2022, 07:02:29 AM
That's not a change of philosophy. It's logical and sensible.
Post by: Smirker on January 10, 2022, 07:04:38 AM
Anyone else sick of the fans of other clubs who ask "how are Villa getting this money, how are they abiding by FFP?' every time we sign a new player?
Post by: Ian. on January 10, 2022, 07:12:09 AM
Post by: ROBBO on January 10, 2022, 07:13:35 AM
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 10, 2022, 07:25:38 AM
I am thoroughly enjoying this transfer window.
Anyone else sick of the fans of other clubs who ask "how are Villa getting this money, how are they abiding by FFP?' every time we sign a new player?
Why do we seem to be the only club / set of fans that give a toss about FFP? The rest of the division just flat out ignores it.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2022, 08:01:41 AM
Quoting yourself should result in a public flogging!
A classic 1990’s player plus cash swap on the cards? I feel like I’m playing Champ Man. It feels like heaven!!
CB and DM and we are looking exciting.
Had anybody seen Tonton Zola Moukoko??
No sign of Tonto but my ITK is we're about to announce the imminent arrival of Cherno Samba...European domination awaits!
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 08:05:04 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 10, 2022, 08:07:19 AM
From the Premier League website (https://www.premierleague.com/news/102374)
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What is Financial Fair Play?
In addition to Company Law, the Premier League has its own Rules relating to club finances, accounting and good governance.
The Premier League, Football League and UEFA each has its own regulations governing club finances. The most widely known FFP policies are probably UEFA’s. These pertain to the licensing system for teams who wish to take part in European club competitions.
The Premier League has a number of financial rules in place, including requirements for clubs to pay transfer fees, salaries and tax bills on time. They must also submit accounts annually, and disclose payments made to agents. You can read these regulations in full in the Premier League Handbook, primarily Section E: Club Finances.
Outside of these obligations it is up to individual clubs, who all have their own directors and senior executives, to make decisions over how they spend their income.
Click the handbook pdf link, page 67 is the start of Section E if you fancy having a better look than I might have done.
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2022, 09:42:39 AM
Post by: Big Ming on January 10, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
I am thoroughly enjoying this transfer window.
Anyone else sick of the fans of other clubs who ask "how are Villa getting this money, how are they abiding by FFP?' every time we sign a new player?
Why do we seem to be the only club / set of fans that give a toss about FFP? The rest of the division just flat out ignores it.
We did sell (failing) Ratboy for £100 million, I seem to recall.
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2022, 11:17:10 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2022, 12:28:30 PM
Post by: placeforparks on January 10, 2022, 12:29:35 PM
sounds like darren randolph is going to come in on loan from west ham as backup to emi, with jed steer beings sent out on loan to get first team experience somewhere.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 12:33:34 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 10, 2022, 12:37:01 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 10, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
An ex-blose 'keeper? :o
Gonna strip the bed sheet off the bed. Anyone got any paint?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 10, 2022, 12:39:52 PM
Darren Randolph being looked at apparently.... to replace/usurp/challenge Jed Steer....
My abiding memory of him is letting a tame Glenn Whelan effort through his legs
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
Post by: OCD on January 10, 2022, 12:44:17 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 10, 2022, 01:35:35 PM
An ex-blose 'keeper? :o
Gonna strip the bed sheet off the bed. Anyone got any paint?
And yet another example what sets us apart from the beasts - i have no problem at all that he played for them whereas it would be the only thing that mattered the other way round.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 10, 2022, 01:39:08 PM
aaron ramsey is going on loan to cheltenham.
sounds like darren randolph is going to come in on loan from west ham as backup to emi, with jed steer beings sent out on loan to get first team experience somewhere.
Great news about Ramsey jr ! ( for me anyway .) I’ll report back
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 10, 2022, 04:11:46 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 10, 2022, 04:26:47 PM
Xabi Alonso would do nicely…have to do with courtinho
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
Who was the midfielder that would get about 97 assists.... Jason Peake maybe... ah my old memory is failing me.
Mark Kerr? Simon Davies?
Post by: algy on January 10, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
It's not good having a keeper sat on the bench every game, rarely getting any game time and tends to be why they play in cup games. Having a couple of senior keepers and rotating which of them goes out on loan could be a good way around this. We were in for Bettinelli in the summer too.Actually a pretty good idea, means your sub keeper has always had a run of games within the last few months, plus I'd guess it keeps them both pretty happy with how much game time they're getting, and have a decent resale value if they're not.
Post by: Smithy on January 10, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 08:01:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2022, 08:06:42 PM
I don't think Trez, Bertie or ElGhazi will be here come the end of the summer.
I’d be surprised if all three went.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 10, 2022, 08:54:21 PM
I don't think Trez, Bertie or ElGhazi will be here come the end of the summer.
I’d be surprised if all three went.
By the end of the summer? I can easily see all 3 going, particularly if Coutinho works out.
Post by: LeonW on January 10, 2022, 08:59:25 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2022, 09:02:14 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 10, 2022, 09:53:02 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 10, 2022, 10:41:54 PM
I’d keep Traore. He can change a game.
Didnt make bench tonight. Cant see Gerrard being a fan of his at all.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2022, 10:44:58 PM
I’d keep Traore. He can change a game.
Didnt make bench tonight. Cant see Gerrard being a fan of his at all.
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he’s gawn to africa don’t you know👍😃
Post by: Villan82 on January 10, 2022, 10:46:12 PM
I’d keep Traore. He can change a game.
Didnt make bench tonight. Cant see Gerrard being a fan of his at all.
AFCON
Post by: Rudy65 on January 10, 2022, 10:49:21 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 10, 2022, 10:52:01 PM
I’d keep Traore. He can change a game.
Didnt make bench tonight. Cant see Gerrard being a fan of his at all.
AFCON
;D
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 10, 2022, 11:03:08 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 11, 2022, 07:59:20 AM
like them singing at Sam Johnstone that he’s ex Villa. Whilst Hogan & Gardner were in their team.An ex-blose 'keeper? :o
Gonna strip the bed sheet off the bed. Anyone got any paint?
And yet another example what sets us apart from the beasts - i have no problem at all that he played for them whereas it would be the only thing that mattered the other way round.
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 08:03:21 AM
I'd be amazed if all our focus is not now on the holding midfield role. You can see how Gerrard wants to play, and it looks like it could well work, but that holding player is the key. I am fairly certain a forward with pace and power coming from wide will be targeted too.
Post by: ROBBO on January 11, 2022, 08:26:29 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 11, 2022, 08:48:25 AM
The full backs were both poor offensively again.
We need more composure in midfield. Another mistake at centre half and lack of cutting edge up front.
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2022, 09:01:37 AM
He is starting to look like what we bought, a championship full back.
Post by: Gareth on January 11, 2022, 09:02:42 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 09:10:27 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 09:11:42 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2022, 09:16:33 AM
I am fairly certain a forward with pace and power coming from wide will be targeted too.
You’ve accurately described bailey there. He will genuinely be like a new signing next summer.
Post by: ROBBO on January 11, 2022, 11:45:46 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 11, 2022, 11:46:19 AM
I am fairly certain a forward with pace and power coming from wide will be targeted too.
You’ve accurately described bailey there. He will genuinely be like a new signing next summer.
when is he back ?
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
The Lucas Digne transfer seems to have gone very quiet.
yeah, I imagine they're trying to rinse us seeing he's on a long contract so they don't really have to sell.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 11, 2022, 12:09:27 PM
The Lucas Digne transfer seems to have gone very quiet.
yeah, I imagine they're trying to rinse us seeing he's on a long contract so they don't really have to sell.
They need to sell as they're skint.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 12:11:43 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 11, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
The Lucas Digne transfer seems to have gone very quiet.
yeah, I imagine they're trying to rinse us seeing he's on a long contract so they don't really have to sell.
They need to sell as they're skint.
The manager has publicly said he wants to go, and they've already bought his replacement in this transfer window. There is no 'bluffing' to be done here with them pretending they want to keep him.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 11, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
The Lucas Digne transfer seems to have gone very quiet.
yeah, I imagine they're trying to rinse us seeing he's on a long contract so they don't really have to sell.
They need to sell as they're skint.
The manager has publicly said he wants to go, and they've already bought his replacement in this transfer window. There is no 'bluffing' to be done here with them pretending they want to keep him.
I think they'd want what they paid for him so 18m? Doesn't seem over the odds imo. Probably undisclosed so both clubs could spin it...
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2022, 12:48:15 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 01:30:14 PM
Some chat about it being a loan, probably to buy, option.
Be surprised if we went for that. Bring him back once Rafa inevitably gets the push? No thanks.
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 01:38:12 PM
I am fairly certain a forward with pace and power coming from wide will be targeted too.
You’ve accurately described bailey there. He will genuinely be like a new signing next summer.
Have I... Pace yes, but not sure about powerful, or indeed ever in control. Hopefully he proves me very wrong, but I am not sure about him at all.
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 01:38:48 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2022, 01:43:11 PM
I am fairly certain a forward with pace and power coming from wide will be targeted too.
You’ve accurately described bailey there. He will genuinely be like a new signing next summer.
Have I... Pace yes, but not sure about powerful, or indeed ever in control. Hopefully he proves me very wrong, but I am not sure about him at all.
Injuries just disrupted him really. Everton cameo was so exciting but lost 4-5 weeks after and when he returned he was having to take long throws v West Ham which summed up DS last days and how lost we'd become on the pitch.
Played what 60 minutes under Gerrard.
Guy was hitting double figures for Leverkusen who are CL/europa team in Germany so he clearly has something.
Think we'll be in for very exciting end of the season as him fully fit as the direct option out wide while Coutinho and Buendia as the intricate types feels such an exciting range of options behind the main CF.
Post by: mrfuse on January 11, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 11, 2022, 02:28:06 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 11, 2022, 02:36:27 PM
Kerr Smith heading to brum for medical and personal terms apparently.
I’ll get offended if I hear the Holte End singing “there’s only one Kerr Smith”.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 02:42:29 PM
Kerr Smith heading to brum for medical and personal terms apparently.
I’ll get offended if I hear the Holte End singing “there’s only one Kerr Smith”.
Lol.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 02:42:56 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 02:44:14 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 11, 2022, 02:46:00 PM
Dodgy first name . 1 consonant away from being a disaster.
*chuckle*
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 02:47:21 PM
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2022, 02:49:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 02:49:07 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 11, 2022, 02:59:51 PM
Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign Dundee United centre back Kerr Smith for a fee that could rise to £2m. He has been given permission to travel south for a medical, agree personal terms & finalise his ‘dream’ move.
I’m hoping United have put a come-up-for-a-friendly clause in there. Every pre-season I hope against hope that United and Villa get together for a friendly.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 03:00:57 PM
He looks a big, strong lad
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 11, 2022, 03:10:51 PM
Dodgy first name . 1 consonant away from being a disaster.
*chuckle*
To be on the same side I think he’ll call him Ke.ith. Just in case.
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 11, 2022, 03:11:49 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 11, 2022, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 03:45:30 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2022, 03:48:28 PM
Can we call him Keįth?I think we should be calling him Kerrching ... he'll probably be saying that when he's signed on to a Prem League salary.
Post by: Mister E on January 11, 2022, 03:51:54 PM
Based on the footage here, he has an interesting running style. Crab-like.
He looks a big, strong lad
Crab Smith.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 11, 2022, 03:54:52 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 11, 2022, 04:47:18 PM
Has a touch of the Ormondroyds for me.
That's easily cured and shouldn't stop him playing.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 11, 2022, 05:16:12 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2022, 06:00:30 PM
Has a touch of the Ormondroyds for me.
That's easily cured and shouldn't stop him playing.
Yes, no need to be paranoid about it.
Post by: dave shelley on January 11, 2022, 06:02:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2022, 06:32:29 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 11, 2022, 06:36:49 PM
Are we back in for the Argentinian Gary Shaw, Julian Alvarez? He'll be gagging to line-up with Coutinho. Get it done and send Ings to Buenos Aires.
That ship saled along with Prince Andrews reputation. He will unfortunately have much better options of immediate success on the table
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2022, 07:41:53 PM
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2022, 07:46:09 PM
I’d like to see us go after Joe Aribo from Gerrard’s former club. He’s a big unit in midfield, really skilful and great touch for a big man. Had a super game for Nigeria today.
Think we were linked with him when he left Charlton.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 11, 2022, 07:48:07 PM
Are we back in for the Argentinian Gary Shaw, Julian Alvarez? He'll be gagging to line-up with Coutinho. Get it done and send Ings to Buenos Aires.
That ship saled along with Prince Andrews reputation. He will unfortunately have much better options of immediate success on the table
Alvarez also doesn’t sweat
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2022, 09:59:43 PM
guess you'd make do with Danny returning to his original claret and blues?
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2022, 10:07:48 PM
Post by: usav on January 11, 2022, 10:11:16 PM
Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
I get the sentiment, but he will score goals and they are desperate.
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2022, 10:12:45 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 11, 2022, 10:16:23 PM
Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
Not the stellar signing but he knows the league, will score a few goals and weaken one of your main relegation rivals. If he contributes in keeping them up it’s job done and he’ll be shifted out for a bigger name. Must be a fairly big fee for Burnley to agree to
let him go.
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 10:19:19 PM
Post by: algy on January 11, 2022, 10:21:59 PM
Isn't it a release clause that's been met, so they don't have much say?Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
Not the stellar signing but he knows the league, will score a few goals and weaken one of your main relegation rivals. If he contributes in keeping them up it’s job done and he’ll be shifted out for a bigger name. Must be a fairly big fee for Burnley to agree to
let him go.
Think it's a reasonable signing for Newcastle. Must be a bit of a hard sell to get anyone to go there right now (guess £££ helps). He'll score a few goals, and crucially also cripple one of their main rivals.
Burney will struggle though. £25m doesn't get you a top quality striker, particularly in January.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2022, 10:26:20 PM
Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
I think I get the joke.
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 11, 2022, 10:37:13 PM
Isn't it a release clause that's been met, so they don't have much say?Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
Not the stellar signing but he knows the league, will score a few goals and weaken one of your main relegation rivals. If he contributes in keeping them up it’s job done and he’ll be shifted out for a bigger name. Must be a fairly big fee for Burnley to agree to
let him go.
Think it's a reasonable signing for Newcastle. Must be a bit of a hard sell to get anyone to go there right now (guess £££ helps). He'll score a few goals, and crucially also cripple one of their main rivals.
Burney will struggle though. £25m doesn't get you a top quality striker, particularly in January.
Didn’t realise it was a release clause, first I heard of it was in Paul_e’s post but it makes sense. Like you say Burnley have no choice then and it’ll be even more of a struggle for them now you would think.
Post by: Beard82 on January 11, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
Rumours on twitter that Carney is off, deleted all his villa related social media etc.Yeah I saw that, its a shame as he seemed to be made out as the chosen one. But it seems like we not going to be able to keep him happy, so probably better just to cash in before he is on a free.
Think he says more about him, then us TBH
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 10:41:46 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2022, 10:45:28 PM
Rumours on twitter that Carney is off, deleted all his villa related social media etc.
Has he? https://twitter.com/Chukwuemekaa10
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2022, 11:02:45 PM
Fucking hell, all the money in the world and you sign Chris fucking Woods up front.
I think I get the joke.
Thank fuck for that, maybe 'up front' was too subtle and I should've said something about him being a long retired goalkeeper.
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2022, 11:18:14 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2022, 11:18:42 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 12, 2022, 01:26:12 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 01:43:00 AM
Post by: Matt C on January 12, 2022, 02:39:25 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 12, 2022, 04:47:53 AM
We already have more than enough Ramseys on our books.
We even have a C.Ramsey (Cole)
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 09:09:05 AM
I'm actually most excited by how good middle brother Aaron could be. There is something about him that oozes class. Hopefully he delivers the goods out on loan at Cheltenham.
Post by: Mister E on January 12, 2022, 09:29:00 AM
Agreed, I think he's looking at the Young players getting games in Germany with big eyes probably. With 18 months on his contract I'd expect a decent fee and a large sell on clause though.... and an option to buy back?
Post by: algy on January 12, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
Was there some chatter about him potentially being the best of the three brothers?I know it's a long shot, but how good would it be if all three of them make it with us?
I'm actually most excited by how good middle brother Aaron could be. There is something about him that oozes class. Hopefully he delivers the goods out on loan at Cheltenham.
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2022, 11:38:04 AM
A mate in Scotland is raving about Aberdeen's Calvin Ramsey as the next big thing coming through...and he's a right back/ wing back. Personally I've never heard of him, but he's attracting attention from several PL clubs apparently.
The tabloids were all over it last week, linking him with a £15m move to the likes of Newcastle. We were linked with Livramento in the summer but didn't go for him because we've got KKH coming through. We can't be in for all promising young players and should only move where it makes sense, like where we've got gaps.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 11:44:22 AM
On one of them he has BV. I'm not social media savy at all so only saw screenshots. Local press saying Gerrard referenced the uncertainty over Carney as one of the motivations for getting Coutinho sorted.
I'm not social media savvy either and Carney doesn't seem that pushed about Twitter (only 12 tweets so far). Not reading too much either way into it yet.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2022, 11:49:03 AM
On one of them he has BV. I'm not social media savy at all so only saw screenshots. Local press saying Gerrard referenced the uncertainty over Carney as one of the motivations for getting Coutinho sorted.
You’d think Carney and Coutinho’s careers would dovetail quite nicely given their ages. Also training and playing with Phil should encourage him to stay rather leave, especially as he is getting regular minutes nowadays.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 11:54:18 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2022, 12:09:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 12:14:30 PM
I assume you mean Denis Zakaria, in which case those links have been around for a week or 2. For me he's a much better option than Bissouma given the costs and legal situations.
Yes, bloody autocorrect. Yanited fans seem to rate him albeit with a slight question mark over the knee injury he suffered.
Post by: mrfuse on January 12, 2022, 12:40:59 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 12, 2022, 12:41:52 PM
I assume you mean Denis Zakaria, in which case those links have been around for a week or 2. For me he's a much better option than Bissouma given the costs and legal situations.
Yes, bloody autocorrect. Yanited fans seem to rate him albeit with a slight question mark over the knee injury he suffered.
Hes flying again now. That knee injury won't hold him back. He's built different as the kids would say
Post by: mrfuse on January 12, 2022, 12:42:02 PM
Edit: sorry i see that deals already done.
Post by: algy on January 12, 2022, 12:48:35 PM
Livingston are closing in on a loan swoop for Aston Villa’s Caleb ChukwuemekaArticle from the Daily Record if anyone's interested:
Edit: sorry i see that deals already done.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/livingston-add-forward-ranks-signing-25924519
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 01:15:37 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2022, 01:19:22 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2022, 01:22:35 PM
Have we sent other youngsters up to Livingston before? Something rings a bell. Also, it's where legendary football manager Paul Lambert started out, the season we ended our affair with Dolly O'Dreary. Heady days.
A goalkeeper I think, the one who turned up at SHA this season?
Post by: sid1964 on January 12, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2022, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2022, 01:45:54 PM
Have we sent other youngsters up to Livingston before? Something rings a bell. Also, it's where legendary football manager Paul Lambert started out, the season we ended our affair with Dolly O'Dreary. Heady days.
A goalkeeper I think, the one who turned up at SHA this season?
Sinisalo was on loan at Ayr if that's who you're thinking of.
Post by: Matt C on January 12, 2022, 01:48:04 PM
Have we sent other youngsters up to Livingston before? Something rings a bell. Also, it's where legendary football manager Paul Lambert started out, the season we ended our affair with Dolly O'Dreary. Heady days.
A goalkeeper I think, the one who turned up at SHA this season?
Sinisalo was on loan at Ayr if that's who you're thinking of.
Sarkic. Had a loan at Livingston when he was with us. Now at Wolves but was on loan at SHA.
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 01:55:20 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 12, 2022, 02:52:51 PM
Have we sent other youngsters up to Livingston before? Something rings a bell. Also, it's where legendary football manager Paul Lambert started out, the season we ended our affair with Dolly O'Dreary. Heady days.
A goalkeeper I think, the one who turned up at SHA this season?
Sinisalo was on loan at Ayr if that's who you're thinking of.
Sarkic. Had a loan at Livingston when he was with us. Now at Wolves but was on loan at SHA.
A Sherwood wonder kid.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 12, 2022, 03:08:33 PM
The Sky Transfer gang were today discussing why a player like Digne would consider signing for a club that is 14th in the Premier league?
To be fair it was one twat who also said benitez turns every player into a better player did he forget Everton are below us .
The blonde woman replied well villa are playing great football,look how brilliant they was against manure ,with him repling but they lost ,so obviously he don't like villa.
Last week they was all laughing thou when the Coutinho rumour came out belittling the villa supporter on there ,all saying no chance he's going villa while laughing..
Anyway he's a twat that Anton..
Post by: Eckybloke on January 12, 2022, 03:26:27 PM
I thought it was Benji Siegrist, but yeah we've had a lot of forrin-sounding young goalies whose surnames begin with 'S' !
Benji’s at Dundee United and doing well. Bring him back Villa, stop him going to one of the Bigot Brothers in the summer.
Please…
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2022, 03:29:40 PM
Have we sent other youngsters up to Livingston before? Something rings a bell. Also, it's where legendary football manager Paul Lambert started out, the season we ended our affair with Dolly O'Dreary. Heady days.
A goalkeeper I think, the one who turned up at SHA this season?
Sinisalo was on loan at Ayr if that's who you're thinking of.
Could be.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 12, 2022, 03:41:42 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Everton are set to sign Anwar El Ghazi from Aston Villa. Deal at final stages, medical tests in place too. Last details to be completed in the next few hours. 🔵 #EFC
Anything over £9m is a good deal.......Like him but he for where we want to go........
Post by: mrfuse on January 12, 2022, 03:43:47 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Everton are set to sign Anwar El Ghazi from Aston Villa. Deal at final stages, medical tests in place too. Last details to be completed in the next few hours. 🔵 #EFC
Anything over £9m is a good deal.......Like him but he for where we want to go........
Its a loan deal apparently with no obligation to buy. Which is disappointing because I would imagine they will just give him back at the end of the loan.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 12, 2022, 04:21:40 PM
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Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 04:38:00 PM
Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Everton are set to sign Anwar El Ghazi from Aston Villa. Deal at final stages, medical tests in place too. Last details to be completed in the next few hours. 🔵 #EFC
Anything over £9m is a good deal.......Like him but he for where we want to go........
Its a loan deal apparently with no obligation to buy. Which is disappointing because I would imagine they will just give him back at the end of the loan.
Unless he does well. Wonder if we have agreed a perm fee just in case.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 12, 2022, 07:25:30 PM
Shame.
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 12, 2022, 07:34:55 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2022, 08:53:15 PM
It does indeed look like Carney is off… well, that’s what it looks like this week at least.
Shame.
Seen this a few times, how/why are people so convinced (not on twitter etc so…).
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2022, 09:00:23 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 12, 2022, 09:06:46 PM
Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.
If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2022, 09:11:42 PM
Seen this a few times, how/why are people so convinced (not on twitter etc so…).
They need something to counteract all the the good news this week. :)
He 'liked' Coutinho's unveiling pics on social media yesterday (as did Neymar) so not convinced it's been decided either way. I also doubt very much that Gerrard's decision to sign Coutinho hinged on whether Carney had signed a new deal or not.
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 12, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.
If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.
Totally agree, I suppose he can only do what he’s been doing in the youth or under 23’s but the step up is massive. Gerrard is prepared to give him some game time but at the moment he’s no better than those in front of him and needs to be patient. He shows promise but that’s all at the moment.
Hopefully he’s being advised to bide his time but I doubt it.
Post by: Smithy on January 12, 2022, 09:26:00 PM
Seen this a few times, how/why are people so convinced (not on twitter etc so…).
They need something to counteract all the the good news this week. :)
He 'liked' Coutinho's unveiling pics on social media yesterday (as did Neymar) so not convinced it's been decided either way. I also doubt very much that Gerrard's decision to sign Coutinho hinged on whether Carney had signed a new deal or not.
He's got 18 months still on his contract, so he's not going anywhere soon unless we're willing to sell him. The summer, maybe, given he'll be into his last year, but at his age don't we get a few anyway, even if he leaves on a 'free'?
It might be Gerrard is dropping hints in the press as a tactic to keep agents in their place? Nothing says "I'm not bluffing about this being our final offer" quite like implying to the press that they might be off.
Either way, I'd be disappointed to see him go, but it does seem like we might have a few others who can step up and into the gap he leaves, Ramsey Jnr in particular.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2022, 09:26:21 PM
Seen this a few times, how/why are people so convinced (not on twitter etc so…).
They need something to counteract all the the good news this week. :)
He 'liked' Coutinho's unveiling pics on social media yesterday (as did Neymar) so not convinced it's been decided either way. I also doubt very much that Gerrard's decision to sign Coutinho hinged on whether Carney had signed a new deal or not.
Exactly. Carney should be more keen to stay with a signing like that. there’s not many better players to learn from and they’re at ages where he can seamlessly take his place as the lynchpin over the next two or three years.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2022, 09:29:19 PM
Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.
we've had a lot pof players with potential who amounted to nothing. Carney has proven nothing so far. If he wants to gamble on himself and go elsewhere that's fine. Right now few better environments to grow.
Post by: Smithy on January 12, 2022, 09:30:45 PM
Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.
If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.
Totally agree, I suppose he can only do what he’s been doing in the youth or under 23’s but the step up is massive. Gerrard is prepared to give him some game time but at the moment he’s no better than those in front of him and needs to be patient. He shows promise but that’s all at the moment.
Hopefully he’s being advised to bide his time but I doubt it.
I do wonder if he's looked at other top talented teenagers in recent years, and what they've managed to do (Sancho and Bellingham going abroad and becoming internationals as teenagers, Hudson-Odoi courting foreign clubs to get a bumper UK deal as an 18-year-old), and asked himself if we do really rate him as the best of his age group in the country, why aren't we giving him more games? I'm not sure he's at the level of those three when they were just turned 18, but it might be that those are his reference points for his own career?
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2022, 09:39:14 PM
Would it not be beneficial all-round to loan him out to a Championship team? He'd get the game time he wants, at a far higher level than he's been used to most of the time, and we get to see if he's the real McCoy as he's been labelled for the past however long.
If he signs a contract sure he’ll be straight out on loan, if he isn’t going to then we will sell him this month or the summer to get a fee & sell ons rather than the development couple of hundred grand next summer I’d guess
Post by: LeonW on January 12, 2022, 09:59:13 PM
Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.
If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.
Totally agree, I suppose he can only do what he’s been doing in the youth or under 23’s but the step up is massive. Gerrard is prepared to give him some game time but at the moment he’s no better than those in front of him and needs to be patient. He shows promise but that’s all at the moment.
Hopefully he’s being advised to bide his time but I doubt it.
I do wonder if he's looked at other top talented teenagers in recent years, and what they've managed to do (Sancho and Bellingham going abroad and becoming internationals as teenagers, Hudson-Odoi courting foreign clubs to get a bumper UK deal as an 18-year-old), and asked himself if we do really rate him as the best of his age group in the country, why aren't we giving him more games? I'm not sure he's at the level of those three when they were just turned 18, but it might be that those are his reference points for his own career?
Possibly, but would he play any more at a Dortmund or a Chelsea then he would here? Don't get me wrong, I think the fact he's desperate to play is a good thing but I suspect if he was ready he'd be playing. If it's about the money, then let him go.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2022, 10:13:35 PM
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Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2022, 11:17:35 PM
Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.
I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more apoearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 12:09:30 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 13, 2022, 07:33:55 AM
Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.
I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more apoearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.
I agree Paul
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2022, 07:48:47 AM
I agree Ian.I agree PaulRamsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.
I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more appearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 13, 2022, 07:57:28 AM
Also social media update. He's removed us from his Instagram but still follows us and we are still on his twitter as his club but the pics have changed to England shirts for what it's worth.
Post by: caster troy on January 13, 2022, 08:06:53 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2022, 08:07:13 AM
We struggling in the league, and there arent many games where we would risk him from the start when we are desperate to climb the table. We dont really score that many games, so there are no games where we are 2 or 3 up and cruising it.
We play 2 cup games a season, so can't give him many chances there.
I think if we cant get into Europe at some point, it will make it easier for us to give young players chances and starts
Post by: algy on January 13, 2022, 08:59:35 AM
I think the challange we have at the moment is we dont have many chances to play him in a realtively risk free environment.Yeah, I think it's why we need to qualify for Europe - even the Euro Windscreens Shield or whatever it's called. We need the extra however many games a season to support a squad that's deep enough to challenge at the very top.
We struggling in the league, and there arent many games where we would risk him from the start when we are desperate to climb the table. We dont really score that many games, so there are no games where we are 2 or 3 up and cruising it.
We play 2 cup games a season, so can't give him many chances there.
I think if we cant get into Europe at some point, it will make it easier for us to give young players chances and starts
Post by: Dave P on January 13, 2022, 09:09:58 AM
Does he have a Big I Am agent that's stirring things? Some media-savvy Sky Andrew/Steve Kutner type.
His agent is Sky Andrew I believe.
Post by: Smithy on January 13, 2022, 09:18:45 AM
But, for the first time I can remember, it seems like we're developing a production line behind him, so hopefully the next one won't be too far behind.
Every successful club loses good young players at some point. So will we.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 13, 2022, 09:39:49 AM
Midfield is where we're lacking. We were short in the summer and we still are. McGinn, Luiz and Ramsey are too similar and not good enough to cover the fbs or cbs in the system our manager wants to play. They all much prefer to play further forward and all are prone to defensive mistakes or lapses in concentration.
Whatever else we do in this transfer window I hope the midfield issues are going to be addressed starting with a player of note in the dm role.
Post by: sid1964 on January 13, 2022, 09:55:45 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2022, 10:12:26 AM
I agree E.I agree Ian.I agree PaulRamsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.
I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more appearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.
His agent is trying to hold us to ransom when he is just not quite ready yet.
Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
I think they are struggling to find someone who can play that cdm who is an upgrade on Nakamba - and are keeping there powder dry for then
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2022, 10:13:06 AM
Listened to podcast with Gregg Evans - he reckons that we won't be signing a DM in the January window - we will wait until the summer to look to see who is availableoh FFS.
Post by: Richard on January 13, 2022, 10:14:36 AM
Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European place
Its not bizarre at all, if there is not the right one available now then Id rather wait until summer.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2022, 10:15:42 AM
Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European place
Its not bizarre at all, if there is not the right one available now then Id rather wait until summer.
Yes we dont want to sign a 50 million pound player who ends up in Prison
Post by: sickbeggar on January 13, 2022, 10:17:48 AM
Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European place
Its not bizarre at all, if there is not the right one available now then Id rather wait until summer.
It is in the context of buying Countinho/Digbe and still not sorting the same problem that got Smith sacked.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2022, 10:22:45 AM
I'm not saying I want us to sign him if the assualt issue isn't resolved, more just I hoped that if we were showing serious interest we must have an inside track on the legal position and confident there was nothing in it. Our chance of getting him was by stealing a march this window when other clubs are less active. If it goes to the summer he'll be able to pick his club and I've heard he wants top-4.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2022, 10:31:18 AM
We won't get Bissouma in the summer, top 4 clubs will be queing up for him.
I'm not saying I want us to sign him if the assualt issue isn't resolved, more just I hoped that if we were showing serious interest we must have an inside track on the legal position and confident there was nothing in it. Our chance of getting him was by stealing a march this window when other clubs are less active. If it goes to the summer he'll be able to pick his club and I've heard he wants top-4.
Agree
My thinking was that we may be the only club prepared to pay now, before the legal issue is sorted out hence the links.
That said I am not at all sure I want to sign anyone that might be responsible for that. What if he was later found guilty, would have a hard time cheering him then.
For the DM I would try for a short term loan of an older experienced player that is warming a bench at a big club in Europe (no idea who but there must be one), then address it permanently in the summer window. They do not have to be a great player to make the team function better - look at how much better we were when Nakamba was in the team. Mediocre will still improve us.
Post by: mrfuse on January 13, 2022, 10:31:57 AM
Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European place
I agree its a position we definitely need to fill, but if we cannot find the exact player we want in this window then it would be prudent to wait until we can get that player.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 10:33:05 AM
We won't get Bissouma in the summer, top 4 clubs will be queing up for him.
I'm not saying I want us to sign him if the assualt issue isn't resolved, more just I hoped that if we were showing serious interest we must have an inside track on the legal position and confident there was nothing in it. Our chance of getting him was by stealing a march this window when other clubs are less active. If it goes to the summer he'll be able to pick his club and I've heard he wants top-4.
Agree 100%. If we really want Bissouma we'll likely have to pay over the odds now, say 50m, and take the risk wrt the case. If, as Chris says, we wait till the summer Liverpool or Arsenal will be in for him at 35-40m. He seems to be exactly what we need so just need to see how badly we want him.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 13, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European place
I agree its a position we definitely need to fill, but if we cannot find the exact player we want in this window then it would be prudent to wait until we can get that player.
yeah I just think when we have (hopefully) signed a very creative player, and (hopefully) a better defensive option then really a European place is up for grabs. We have half a season with on paper an easier run in so a DM would cement that hope. As AshtonVilla says, even a loan or an experienced old hand would do for now. We just need SOMEONE to do it.
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
We've shown - with the Digne signing - that we're prepared to pay good money to fulfil a need. Go and get Zakaria done now. Get in before he goes elsewhere.yeah I just think when we have (hopefully) signed a very creative player, and (hopefully) a better defensive option then really a European place is up for grabs. We have half a season with on paper an easier run in so a DM would cement that hope. As AshtonVilla says, even a loan or an experienced old hand would do for now. We just need SOMEONE to do it.Well we've been linked to Bissouma by the Torygrapth. Seem an odd one given his "issues" and the cost. Not buying a DM now would be bizarre unless they've totally given up on a European placeI agree its a position we definitely need to fill, but if we cannot find the exact player we want in this window then it would be prudent to wait until we can get that player.
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2022, 12:51:32 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 13, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agree, unless proved totally innocent, then leave well alone and go for Zakaria
Post by: villadelph on January 13, 2022, 01:15:10 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agree, unless proved totally innocent, then leave well alone and go for Zakaria
That would be great. Has he been linked with anyone this window? He's valued at 25m+ but can be had for 6m?!
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 13, 2022, 01:22:32 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agree, unless proved totally innocent, then leave well alone and go for Zakaria
That would be great. Has he been linked with anyone this window? He's valued at 25m+ but can be had for 6m?!
Been linked with Man Utd for some time.
Post by: LeeB on January 13, 2022, 01:22:39 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agreed.
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2022, 01:28:29 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2022, 01:37:15 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agreed.
Yep. I remember the Ched Evans situation with Sheffield United and my in laws really struggled with it. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but he's on bail which means there is at the very least a question mark.
Post by: IFWaters on January 13, 2022, 02:15:48 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
Wijnaldum anyone? Loan with buy option. Can't get much time at PSG. Played holding midfielder at Liverpool.
Would be a brilliant signing.
Granit Xhaka is probable getable on loan and at least as good as Nakamba.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2022, 02:36:47 PM
Granit Xhaka is probable getable on loan and at least as good as Nakamba.
Now that would be criminal.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 13, 2022, 02:50:20 PM
Wijnaldum anyone? Loan with buy option. Can't get much time at PSG. Played holding midfielder at Liverpool.
Would be a brilliant signing.
Granit Xhaka is probable getable on loan and at least as good as Nakamba.
I wondered about him too. Don't think he ever played with Stevie G though so maybe less of a pull but assume they probably crossed paths when SG was working with the kiddlywinks. He'd be our third signing with minimal resale value though and will be on huge wages at PSG I expect given he went on a free and, well, it's PSG...
I also don't think he's the anchor we want as better further forward but would be an upgrade on the guys ahead of him but that's an area we are well stocked, although full of similar quality players.
Zakaria is the one we should be moving for imo
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 13, 2022, 02:56:17 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2022, 04:26:50 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 13, 2022, 04:29:19 PM
Agreed - wrong to proceed on so many levelsI agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agree, unless proved totally innocent, then leave well alone and go for Zakaria
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 13, 2022, 05:17:26 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
I agree. There's the principle of innocent until proven guilty. But why take the risk? There are other DCMs and if he goes to a different club, then oh well. I wouldn't commit to a 4yr contract for somebody who may or may not end up in jail in that time, even though I'm guessing it would have to be gross misconduct.
If there is a victim, think how they'd feel to see their attacker carrying on as if nothing had happened and receiving a big pay day while they deal with the trauma.
It's not exactly a parking ticket.
There are always other good players. Not like he's the only geezer who can kick a ball.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2022, 05:43:31 PM
Seen a link (albeit on newsnow so of dubious provenance) to Weston Mckennie of Juventus. We were linked last season so could be a long term Lange target. Good player that does play DM. Wouldn't be unhappy with that one.
Me neither but didn't he turn us down last summer?
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2022, 06:03:13 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 13, 2022, 06:15:04 PM
Granit Xhaka is probable getable on loan and at least as good as Nakamba.
Now that would be criminal.
I hope that's not set in stone.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 13, 2022, 06:15:13 PM
Ndombele on loan for six months? Dodgy attitude but not surprised, he plays or Spurs!!
My mate who is a spurs fan described and Ndombele by saying 'I think Ndombele is one of the most gifted players on the planet.'
I'd go for some of that.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2022, 06:32:23 PM
Ndombele on loan for six months? Dodgy attitude but not surprised, he plays or Spurs!!
My mate who is a spurs fan described and Ndombele by saying 'I think Ndombele is one of the most gifted players on the planet.'
I'd go for some of that.
He cost them £63m, is on £200,000-a-week and Spurs can't get rid of him. They're looking to move him to Italy, possibly Juventus which would really make McKennie surplus to requirements.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2022, 06:40:23 PM
Wijnaldum anyone? Loan with buy option. Can't get much time at PSG. Played holding midfielder at Liverpool.
Would obviously be a good addition, but not really the player we need in midfield at the moment.
Post by: Nev on January 13, 2022, 06:42:15 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 13, 2022, 06:43:41 PM
I agree, get Zakaria in. The idea of taking a gamble on Bissouma whilst the legal case is still looming honestly makes me feel sick. The message of "you can kick a ball so we're willing to gamble on you even though you might be a bit rape-y" would push me very hard to not bothering with football any more. Villa are literally my only reason for still following the sport with any real interest and this would hurt that a lot.
Agree, unless proved totally innocent, then leave well alone and go for Zakaria
That would be great. Has he been linked with anyone this window? He's valued at 25m+ but can be had for 6m?!
Been linked with Man Utd for some time.
With our sycophantic media every player is linked with them. They are stuck in a timewarp whereas in reality they are not even the biggest pull in thier own city
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2022, 07:07:11 PM
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 13, 2022, 07:14:45 PM
Ndombele on loan for six months? Dodgy attitude but not surprised, he plays or Spurs!!
My mate who is a spurs fan described and Ndombele by saying 'I think Ndombele is one of the most gifted players on the planet.'
I'd go for some of that.
He cost them £63m, is on £200,000-a-week and Spurs can't get rid of him. They're looking to move him to Italy, possibly Juventus which would really make McKennie surplus to requirements.
Fair enough. Haven't performed an examination of his contract details, just a passing convo with my pal who was digging me out about Coutinho.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 13, 2022, 07:31:08 PM
Ndombele on loan for six months? Dodgy attitude but not surprised, he plays or Spurs!!
My mate who is a spurs fan described and Ndombele by saying 'I think Ndombele is one of the most gifted players on the planet.'
I'd go for some of that.
He cost them £63m, is on £200,000-a-week and Spurs can't get rid of him. They're looking to move him to Italy, possibly Juventus which would really make McKennie surplus to requirements.
Fair enough. Haven't performed an examination of his contract details, just a passing convo with my pal who was digging me out about Coutinho.
A Spuds fan I know says they call him "Not Dembele".
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 13, 2022, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 13, 2022, 08:24:39 PM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Steer is nowhere near the quality we need as back up if we want to be pushing on
Post by: Steve67 on January 13, 2022, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Steer is nowhere near the quality we need as back up if we want to be pushing on
Steer wants first team football and he could leave on loan this window. And I think he might go permanently in the summer. We do need someone better to back up Emi.
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Wijnaldum anyone? Loan with buy option. Can't get much time at PSG. Played holding midfielder at Liverpool.
Would be a brilliant signing.
Granit Xhaka is probable getable on loan and at least as good as Nakamba.
And thankfully as soon at it gets mentioned that he was gettable he reminds everyone why he is the absolute biggest liability in this league - would touch him with a bargepole, has about 1 good game in every five
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
It would be great to get a DCM in now and push on for the rest of the season, going into next season with some momentum. Another signing or two in the summer, more upgrades and we will be ready for a real good push next season. I think the DCM is absolutely key to where we want to go.
I am convinced that will happen this window. We looked more solid with Nakamba and he’s not elite or close to it. So put in a strong DM who can break up plays and protect the back 4 and we will be so much better for it.
Post by: Gareth on January 13, 2022, 08:47:09 PM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Steer is nowhere near the quality we need as back up if we want to be pushing on
Steer wants first team football and he could leave on loan this window. And I think he might go permanently in the summer. We do need someone better to back up Emi.
We need a good back up because there are still international breaks this season so every chance he misses games. Olsen wasn’t special at Everton but Cutler will surely have been consulted on who to get & he knows more about goalkeeping than all of us put together I’d guess
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2022, 09:27:37 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2022, 10:36:29 PM
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2022, 12:21:34 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 14, 2022, 12:56:34 AM
We have to get a bloody holding midfielder in. We were crying out for one in the summer, have desperately missed Naka. I reckon we get to the final week of the window and we've not signed one he'll buy Kamara from Rangers as a squad player to slot in there and do a job.Kamara is the logical one if Gerrard thinks he is good enough to step up…certainly massively preferable than a guy still under police investigation
Post by: gpbarr on January 14, 2022, 01:06:45 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 14, 2022, 01:23:27 AM
If January transfer windows are shit and impossible to do proper deals in, I'm really looking forward to the summer!
Who knows, maybe we'll find that defensive midfielder we've been looking for for the last 100 years.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 14, 2022, 02:48:19 AM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Steer is nowhere near the quality we need as back up if we want to be pushing on
Olsen is a quality back-up keeper. Swedish papers claim a deal has been agreed.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 14, 2022, 05:26:47 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 14, 2022, 09:47:43 AM
Robin Olsen?
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1481697187629350921?s=21
No thanks, can't get in a poor Sheffield Utd team.
tbh I don't think we need a keeper. Martinez is superb, and Steer is good enough for back up.
Steer is nowhere near the quality we need as back up if we want to be pushing on
Olsen is a quality back-up keeper. Swedish papers claim a deal has been agreed.
Is that the guy that was at Everton? If it is he reminded me of Nyland in a couple of games.
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2022, 10:00:05 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 14, 2022, 10:01:32 AM
Man City's 3rd choice Keeper is Scott Carson, so it's not like Olsen will have to be a world beater.
I am assuming this would mean Steer going elsewhere and Olsen coming in as second choice.
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2022, 10:10:02 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 14, 2022, 10:48:55 AM
Do we think we are done or still have more to bring in this window ?
not done
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2022, 10:49:17 AM
Wasn't he keeping Pickford out of the team at one point?
Yep. Roma paid 12m Euro's and he was Sweden's goalkeeper when England played them in the World Cup so he's not shabby. Roma are still his parent club so it would be like the Tuanzebe situation in that Roma would have to cancel his loan to Sheffield United and then send him to us.
I've seen talk that we would send Steer out to get some games but we could also do that with Sinisalo to further his development.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 14, 2022, 11:21:52 AM
Olsen is a quality back-up keeper. Swedish papers claim a deal has been agreed.
Is that the guy that was at Everton? If it is he reminded me of Nyland in a couple of games.
Yeah. I only really know him as the Swedish national keeper though but he's done well in that role and is well respected.
Post by: andyh on January 14, 2022, 11:26:48 AM
That’s what I like to hear.Do we think we are done or still have more to bring in this window ?
not done
Post by: algy on January 14, 2022, 01:17:36 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 14, 2022, 01:25:43 PM
Big game for Sanson you would think at the weekend, assuming he replaced McGinn. Ideal midfield to be playing against.
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2022, 01:47:23 PM
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2022, 02:30:30 PM
Out of contract in the summer, almost certain to leave Atletico this month or in six months. Would be on lower wages than we've just given Lucas Digne.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 14, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2022, 02:43:24 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2022, 02:47:16 PM
It's only a shit Twitter link at the moment, but...Luis Suarez?
Out of contract in the summer, almost certain to leave Atletico this month or in six months. Would be on lower wages than we've just given Lucas Digne.
All day long. My god, he's a fucking player, and exactly the kind of shithouse that we need.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 14, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Do we think we are done or still have more to bring in this window ?
not done
Centre Mid maybe ?
Post by: algy on January 14, 2022, 02:48:25 PM
It's only a shit Twitter link at the moment, but...Luis Suarez?I'd have him if he was available.
Out of contract in the summer, almost certain to leave Atletico this month or in six months. Would be on lower wages than we've just given Lucas Digne.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2022, 02:49:40 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2022, 03:19:41 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 14, 2022, 04:16:00 PM
Do we think we are done or still have more to bring in this window ?
not done
Centre Mid maybe ?
Has to be I would think. I’d guess one or two more in addition to that too if they can get the players they want.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 14, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Mind you, I bet he could still scare the shit out of some Premier League defenders, and not just by flashing his pearly whites.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 14, 2022, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 14, 2022, 06:25:57 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2022, 06:28:34 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 14, 2022, 06:43:24 PM
Does it show a little lack of imagination in our transfer policy
Post by: shirley_villan on January 14, 2022, 06:48:35 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 14, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 14, 2022, 07:26:07 PM
I still think Bissouma (I know, I know) is the missing piece of the jigsaw.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2022, 09:37:12 PM
Still feel we should have signed Abraham instead of Ings.
Ings goals and quality is sense but Tammy better age and fit for Villa system with Dean.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2022, 10:34:33 PM
No to Suarez for me. It's just too short term and expensive. I'm happy with our attacking options for now.
I still think Bissouma (I know, I know) is the missing piece of the jigsaw.
If you think Ollie Watkins (as much as I like him) or Danny Ings (as much as my national insurance is about to go up to pay for his social care) are better options than Suarez, then you need to put more water in it!
Post by: john e on January 14, 2022, 10:35:54 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 14, 2022, 10:46:37 PM
When I was a student in the 90s in Liverpool I used to watch Tranmere, and they had a few old stagers (Pat Nevin, John Aldridge) that were head and shoulders above that level. I don't want us to end up a retirement home for exceptional ex Liverpool stars, but I can see how a couple of players like that in combination with our very good set of U23s could take us forwards.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 14, 2022, 11:28:09 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2022, 11:34:24 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 14, 2022, 11:54:04 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 15, 2022, 12:47:17 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2022, 01:35:09 AM
For those that want Ings to run around more, Suarez will move around significantly less.
He'd add a bit of bite to our attack for sure.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 15, 2022, 01:45:56 AM
For those that want Ings to run around more, Suarez will move around significantly less.
Really? I don’t watch La Liga but always thought that was his key asset whilst at Liverpool.
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 02:18:11 AM
For those that want Ings to run around more, Suarez will move around significantly less.
Really? I don’t watch La Liga but always thought that was his key asset whilst at Liverpool.
Twas a long time ago.
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 02:22:34 AM
For those that want Ings to run around more, Suarez will move around significantly less.
He'd add a bit of bite to our attack for sure.
Maybe the final third is the ‘root’ of our problem (‘bracing’ myself for the incoming abuse).
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 02:52:17 AM
Post by: ROBBO on January 15, 2022, 04:41:02 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2022, 08:00:01 AM
There is clearly a push behind the scenes to get into Europe this season. If it means a few shorter term top quality options then let’s go for it.
we should look at the league table then as we are becoming a little detached. We need to not only stop potentially 4 defeats on the spin today, but also put a winning run together to get some movement and move up the league
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2022, 10:08:57 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 15, 2022, 10:10:55 AM
Chelsea we expected to lose and duly delivered but didn't play badly
Brentford absolutely no defence we were shocking and deserved what we got. But I thing the extra creativity Coutinho and Digne bring will help us put games against lesser teams to bed before they have the chance to get fired up by the crown and snatch a win.
Man U in the cup (i don't care about this season) we were robbed by corruption and played them off the park for 80 minutes. It was our best performance against a top 6 team in a very long time I think. There was no smash and grab it was actual dominance and has me going into today expecting us to beat them.i know anything can happen today and if we do lose so be it we have lost 3 in a row vs the European champions. Man red and Brentford and only 1 loss out of the actually concerns me.
Also let's not forget we should have an extra 3 points on the board because the Burnley game got postponed which would actually see us sat 10th.
I think if we narrowly miss out on Europe this season we will challange top 4 next with a lighter fixture load and some more class additions.
Post by: john e on January 15, 2022, 11:09:57 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 15, 2022, 11:16:33 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 15, 2022, 12:39:57 PM
Is it only down to 7th place that gets European football? I can't see us finishing higher than 8th at best.
Yeah, qualifying for Europe this season looks an impossible task.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 15, 2022, 12:46:03 PM
There are reasons to be optimistic and barring the Burnley postponement we would be sat 10th at kickoff today.
The recent shift in transfer policy indicates to me that they have smelt blood and have decided to go for it NOW as opposed to next season.
Am I alone in thinking we are playing some of the best footy in years? But this all amounts to nothing without points on the board and I think 1 more addition in the middle of the park will see us fly up the league and he's coming. I'm convinced we will have a 6"3 powerhouse in at cdm before the end of the window and have a really reason to believe the bright future mantra after years in the wilderness.
I was looking at my villa shirt collection yesterday and the names I have on the backs, Yorke, Dublin, Delaney, Gabby, Young, Milner, Carew, Petrov to name a few and I thought to myself how over the years I've followed Villa have we not managed more success?
The time is coming and I can sense the shift in opinions changing, I see the media start to believe us and think it's long over sue that we get the respect we deserve. Now all we have to do is go out there and earn it week in and week out.
We are Aston Villa FC the pride of the Midlands and reason league football exists, let go out there and show everyone that they were wrong to belittle us for so long and take back what is ours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2022, 12:46:42 PM
Is it only down to 7th place that gets European football? I can't see us finishing higher than 8th at best.
Yeah, qualifying for Europe this season looks an impossible task.
Looked at the table last night and thought the same, 8th is the best we can hope for unless we go on a super run. Winning today would be a big start.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 15, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
I just wondered if it is actually worthwhile getting in to it - although for luring bigger names Europe is a must so there is more to qualifying for it than just money.
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2022, 02:21:49 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 15, 2022, 02:31:48 PM
I'm pleased to read that Gerrard is seeking more 'steel and style'. We have the style with Coutinho and Digne, I hope for the steel bit now! Zakariah, Bissouma or Phillips will do just fine, even if we have to wait for the latter. We do need to start winning, I agree with others. It's about time we beat Man Yew at VP. Cue the scabby penalty.
Surely they wouldn't DARE today after all the flak the got for the disallowed goal?
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 15, 2022, 02:48:49 PM
I'm pleased to read that Gerrard is seeking more 'steel and style'. We have the style with Coutinho and Digne, I hope for the steel bit now! Zakariah, Bissouma or Phillips will do just fine, even if we have to wait for the latter. We do need to start winning, I agree with others. It's about time we beat Man Yew at VP. Cue the scabby penalty.
Surely they wouldn't DARE today after all the flak the got for the disallowed goal?
Of course they would. The officials would be under a lot more scrutiny if they gave a decision against them.
Post by: Damo70 on January 15, 2022, 02:59:08 PM
Does anyone know what you get financially for the Europa league? I know the Champions league is where the real money is but surely the Europa must have some financial reward for playing Thursday nights etc?
I just wondered if it is actually worthwhile getting in to it - although for luring bigger names Europe is a must so there is more to qualifying for it than just money.
I don't think many clubs make much of a profit by playing in the Europa League. However I suspect West Ham's
and Leicester's relative success in the competition has given them a bigger profile and made them a bigger draw for new signings.
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2022, 04:06:24 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 15, 2022, 04:15:01 PM
It attracts players and the extra games mean it's possible to have a larger squad and still be able to keep everyone happy.Agreed - think it’s key to developing and keeping promising youth players
Post by: algy on January 15, 2022, 05:00:53 PM
Does anyone know what you get financially for the Europa league? I know the Champions league is where the real money is but surely the Europa must have some financial reward for playing Thursday nights etc?I assume there’s a fairly big drop off between the Champions League and UEFA Cup, but read somewhere that there’s far less of a drop between the UEFA Cup and Euro Windscreens Shield or whatever it’s called. Read at the time that it was one of the things that convinced the Welsh & maybe Scottish clubs to go for it - the money for them was basically the same, but they had a sporting chance of going further.
I just wondered if it is actually worthwhile getting in to it - although for luring bigger names Europe is a must so there is more to qualifying for it than just money.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
Post by: Villan82 on January 15, 2022, 05:54:04 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on January 15, 2022, 06:17:54 PM
We urgently need a Defensive Midfielder.
Repeated since 2016
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 15, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
We urgently need a Defensive Midfielder.
Repeated since 2016
It's been urgent for about 10 years. Almost forgotten what urgent means.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 15, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 15, 2022, 07:09:50 PM
Just for clarification, this should be on the match thread. I made a boo boo
Post by: Matt C on January 15, 2022, 08:02:50 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2022, 08:25:05 PM
Purslow confirming we still have business we’d like to get done in this window. I expect at least one or two in - keeper and CDM, at a stretch another CB. And then a couple out
where was that mate ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2022, 08:28:24 PM
Purslow confirming we still have business we’d like to get done in this window. I expect at least one or two in - keeper and CDM, at a stretch another CB. And then a couple out
where was that mate ?
https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1482402395934150656?s=20
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1482398241908039682?s=20
Post by: LeonW on January 15, 2022, 08:34:29 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2022, 08:37:51 PM
Purslow confirming we still have business we’d like to get done in this window. I expect at least one or two in - keeper and CDM, at a stretch another CB. And then a couple out
cheers
where was that mate ?
https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1482402395934150656?s=20
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1482398241908039682?s=20
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 15, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
Certainly is of required calibre
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 15, 2022, 09:29:35 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 15, 2022, 09:43:03 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 15, 2022, 10:18:28 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 15, 2022, 10:20:03 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2022, 10:59:51 PM
I’ll raise you Kleberson.
World cup winner?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2022, 11:04:00 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Post by: Ian. on January 15, 2022, 11:14:04 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Absolutely.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 15, 2022, 11:21:38 PM
I’ll raise you Kleberson.
World cup winner?
Different nationality but Stephen Guivarc’h won the World Cup as well but was absolute pants for Newcastle just as Kleberson was for Man U.
There’s certainly been shitter Brazilian midfielders but he was one that sprang to mind.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 16, 2022, 01:09:41 AM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
I agree that's harsh, but I don't think he is going to be the defensive midfielder we need. We need a better version of Marvelous in there, who will get around and break things up. Luiz would be more suited to one of the other midfield roles.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 16, 2022, 01:14:41 AM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
I agree that's harsh, but I don't think he is going to be the defensive midfielder we need. We need a better version of Marvelous in there, who will get around and break things up. Luiz would be more suited to one of the other midfield roles.
Yep, if he's DM replacement then there is no point. Battling it out with JJ, McGinn and Sanson though then I think that's quite healthy. He's 4th choice for me though out of those. Maybe harsh but I prefer what I've seen from Sanson (bar fucking up I thought he played alright today).
Post by: LeonW on January 16, 2022, 01:37:32 AM
Post by: VancouverLion on January 16, 2022, 04:08:58 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 16, 2022, 09:21:00 AM
Does he play more advanced for Brazil?
Most the time yes, Casemiro does the holding when they play together
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2022, 10:31:21 AM
Post by: johnny from donny on January 16, 2022, 12:59:55 PM
It's a win/win for them as they get time to plan his replacement in the summer window while not disrupting their team during a promotion push, and we get the benefit of him developing with regular senior games.
If we want to put him straight into the first team squad, then everything I've just typed is irrelevant.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 16, 2022, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2022, 02:33:53 PM
Post by: Cropley10 on January 16, 2022, 03:54:27 PM
Wonder if Martial would be a good fit. On his way out of Man Utd and a good player.
..a definite no from me.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2022, 03:55:11 PM
Wonder if Martial would be a good fit. On his way out of Man Utd and a good player.
..a definite no from me.
Wouldn't touch him with yours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 05:33:52 PM
But also really wouldn't mind Milan and Ivroy Coast wonderful powerhouse Box to box midfielder Frank Kessié. He's quite something and be great addition to the midfield.(25) put of contract in the summer...
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 16, 2022, 05:36:19 PM
We're now looking at same money anyway of 40/50m for a quality midfielder
Tried to get things on the cheap with Sanson move
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2022, 06:55:11 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 16, 2022, 07:05:44 PM
I wish we had Declan Rice. Fantastic player.
Yes just watched him against Leeds, he is just what we need and as you say, fantastic player
Post by: brontebilly on January 16, 2022, 07:22:52 PM
Wonder if Martial would be a good fit. On his way out of Man Utd and a good player.
Good player but a terrible pro...
Post by: AV82EC on January 16, 2022, 07:28:00 PM
Dean Smith really should have been backed a little more to get Kalvin Phillips or James Ward Prowse over the line.
We're now looking at same money anyway of 40/50m for a quality midfielder
Tried to get things on the cheap with Sanson move
Sorry Footy but this is nonsense. Sanson is a completely different player position wise to those two so the comparisons are facile. If you’re going to criticise the purchase of Sanson then at least compare it to what we could have had as a No 8 instead.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 16, 2022, 08:07:23 PM
Dean Smith really should have been backed a little more to get Kalvin Phillips or James Ward Prowse over the line.
We're now looking at same money anyway of 40/50m for a quality midfielder
Tried to get things on the cheap with Sanson move
We would have signed Phillips if he’d have come. Likewise JWP although we also faced the fact that Southampton really wanted to hang onto him. JWP isn’t the DCM we need anyway and although I’d have liked to see us sign him at the time he would have blocked Ramsey’s progress. Phillips would have been / would be a phenomenal signing but I think we’ll have much chance of getting him now as we did then as I reckon the CL teams will be in for him soon.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2022, 08:17:33 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 16, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 16, 2022, 10:06:47 PM
Who is that young midfielder at Sunderland? Were being linked with him.
Name is Dan Neill. Highly rated by them apparently. More of an attacking midfielder than a holding midfielder.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2022, 10:42:33 PM
Who is that young midfielder at Sunderland? Were being linked with him.
Name is Dan Neill. Highly rated by them apparently. More of an attacking midfielder than a holding midfielder.
If you really want to know more. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-are-after-dan-neil.1569410/
Does seem an odd link given we're not exactly short of young quality midfielders.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 16, 2022, 11:09:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2022, 11:52:58 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 12:04:21 AM
Is he Enda Stephens' cousin ?
Both Sheffield and Japan are known for the quality of their blades but I think that's as close as it gets. More likely to be related to Hendo.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2022, 10:39:10 AM
Vague link to a Japanese DM for Stuttgart called Endo.
Deal discussed but then the brake was put on ;)
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
Who is that young midfielder at Sunderland? Were being linked with him.
Name is Dan Neill. Highly rated by them apparently. More of an attacking midfielder than a holding midfielder.
If you really want to know more. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-are-after-dan-neil.1569410/
Does seem an odd link given we're not exactly short of young quality midfielders.
Had a chat with my Brother-in-law (Sunderland season ticket holder) and he reckons Neill is a lot like Henderson was at the same age, likes to sit a bit deeper and pick passes but is good at finding space and making himself available. Needs to work on his defence a little though.
Scored a good goal in the pizza cup -
- he's the 24 and gets the opener.
Post by: algy on January 17, 2022, 11:46:28 AM
I guess, but if you're building a squad (as opposed to a first 11) then I could see how a Jordan Henderson-type player might complement JJ and Carney. You'd have plenty of opportunities to tweak that midfield depending on who you were playing.Who is that young midfielder at Sunderland? Were being linked with him.
Name is Dan Neill. Highly rated by them apparently. More of an attacking midfielder than a holding midfielder.
If you really want to know more. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-are-after-dan-neil.1569410/
Does seem an odd link given we're not exactly short of young quality midfielders.
Post by: frank black on January 17, 2022, 12:44:36 PM
I guess, but if you're building a squad (as opposed to a first 11) then I could see how a Jordan Henderson-type player might complement JJ and Carney. You'd have plenty of opportunities to tweak that midfield depending on who you were playing.Who is that young midfielder at Sunderland? Were being linked with him.
Name is Dan Neill. Highly rated by them apparently. More of an attacking midfielder than a holding midfielder.
If you really want to know more. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/villa-are-after-dan-neil.1569410/
Does seem an odd link given we're not exactly short of young quality midfielders.
Agreed, plus if Carney is off in the summer it makes sense to replace him now if the opportunity arises. Hope he isn’t but I guess we don’t know
Post by: achilles on January 17, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Just look at the second goal, Fernandes is 5 yards behind Luiz but gets in front of him easily to score, Luiz just ambled and made no effort!
The pace of the PL is too much for him, he would be better to go abroad, as he is a good player.
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2022, 01:12:40 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Just look at the second goal, Fernandes is 5 yards behind Luiz but gets in front of him easily to score, Luiz just ambled and made no effort!
The pace of the PL is too much for him, he would be better to go abroad, as he is a good player.
OR he's not a natural DM and we need to find someone for that role to free Luiz up to play further forward where he's generally looked good whenever he's had the chance.
Post by: achilles on January 17, 2022, 01:24:39 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Just look at the second goal, Fernandes is 5 yards behind Luiz but gets in front of him easily to score, Luiz just ambled and made no effort!
The pace of the PL is too much for him, he would be better to go abroad, as he is a good player.
OR he's not a natural DM and we need to find someone for that role to free Luiz up to play further forward where he's generally looked good whenever he's had the chance.
Whether you are a DM or not, as a midfield player you have to track runners from midfield that is one of your jobs and he didn't bother!
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2022, 01:38:19 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Just look at the second goal, Fernandes is 5 yards behind Luiz but gets in front of him easily to score, Luiz just ambled and made no effort!
The pace of the PL is too much for him, he would be better to go abroad, as he is a good player.
OR he's not a natural DM and we need to find someone for that role to free Luiz up to play further forward where he's generally looked good whenever he's had the chance.
Whether you are a DM or not, as a midfield player you have to track runners from midfield that is one of your jobs and he didn't bother!
and he tracks runners regularly and usually does a good job at it, picking 1 instance where someone got away from him just isn't remotely objective, particularly when it was a case of us losing possession in a bad area. A player who is naturally defensive and happy to sit in there as an insurance policy is better placed and more aware of the potential danger than someone who's natural instinct is to be finding space and making himself available to help move the team up the pitch, that's why it's a specialist position and none of our players are particularly good at it. Nakamba is the best but he relies of reacting to things rather than reading the game and being in the right place, which will hold him back from ever being a top 6 level player.
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 17, 2022, 02:45:35 PM
If I never see Luiz in a Villa shirt again I will be more than happy. Put a proper DM in that team and we win most games.I agree. He has had long enough to be dominating games but just ambles through them. worst Brazilian midfielder ever (except for fred)
Nonsense.
Just look at the second goal, Fernandes is 5 yards behind Luiz but gets in front of him easily to score, Luiz just ambled and made no effort!
The pace of the PL is too much for him, he would be better to go abroad, as he is a good player.
OR he's not a natural DM and we need to find someone for that role to free Luiz up to play further forward where he's generally looked good whenever he's had the chance.
Whether you are a DM or not, as a midfield player you have to track runners from midfield that is one of your jobs and he didn't bother!
It looked me like he thought, as I did at the time, that Mings SHOULD get there before Fred. You can even see him signal to Mings to come towards the ball to win it. Now, if Mings doesn't hesitate, I think he DOES get there first and Dougie is in place to pick up the pass or loose ball.
A truly defensive-minded midfielder probably 'assumes' the worst and thinks about 'what could go wrong here' and looks at who to mark, but I don't blame Dougie for that goal - it was a bad ball from Sanson, and Mings reacted poorly. Could Dougie have done better? Yes, but of the three players involved, he's the least culpable in my opinion.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 17, 2022, 03:01:46 PM
Post by: garyellis on January 17, 2022, 03:09:30 PM
From the first time of watching it again, there was never any chance of Mings getting to that ball first. None. He was miles away from it, having sensibly dropped deep to give himself more time once he (should have) received Sanson's pass.Roy Keane thought Mings should have done much better. None of the commentators/experts have mentioned Luiz. There were too many other things that should have or not happened to avoid that goal.
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
Post by: garyellis on January 17, 2022, 03:16:54 PM
Roy Keane is an arse though.I agree and I am a big fan of Mings just pointing out none Villa views.
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2022, 03:23:20 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
One of the reasons we concede so many goals is because midfielders do not track their runners. All of them are responsible for this, including Luiz. He was asleep for the goal Paul, it’s fact but they are all poor at tracking back.
Yep, I agree, I said as much. I think they're ok at tracking runners if a team is holding on to possession against us and that's backed up pretty well if you watch back the goals we concede. Where we let ourselves down is transitioning from attack to defence. Gerrard has improved us but we still have problems and bad habits and it means we're susceptible to rapid counter attacks. No one in our midfield is particularly good at being 'glass half empty' when we're in possession (and I believe that's a hangover from Smith who has always seemed to struggle to contain counter-attacknig sides) so an attacker, midfielder who is switched on and waiting for a mistake can find themselves loads of space against us a lot more easily than they should do. This is a big part of why we need a proper DM who can read the flow of the game and stop us getting picked off/bullied into mistakes that lead to goals.
Post by: Smithy on January 17, 2022, 05:11:32 PM
From the first time of watching it again, there was never any chance of Mings getting to that ball first. None. He was miles away from it, having sensibly dropped deep to give himself more time once he (should have) received Sanson's pass.
I disagree. Look at their starting positions. The X is where Fred had his first touch. Tyrone sat on his heels for a fraction of a second until Fred was running at full pace, and by the time he faced him up he was only about 3 or 4 yards outside the box. You're telling me he couldn't travel more than 3 or 4 yards in the time Fred covered 15?
For the record, I don't blame Tyrone for the goal - he was trying to judge the pace of the ball coming directly at him on a poor back pass and erred on the side of caution rather than rush out and find out it was going so slowly Fred easily gets the first. But that WAS a mistake - if he sprints the moment he realises it's under hit, he easily gets there first, and in time for a 50/50 in the absolute worst case (which he wins 9 times out of 10). Dougie had a better view of the pace of the ball from the side, and he called him out to get to it confident he could get there.
(https://i.ibb.co/w0Sk3SP/Screenshot-2022-01-17-at-16-54-40.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0Sk3SP)
Post by: Big Ming on January 17, 2022, 06:07:58 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 17, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 17, 2022, 07:41:34 PM
Wonder who was supposed to be tracking McTominey last Monday?
Big Tyrone I think, Konsa certainly seemed to be blaming him afterwards.
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 07:50:40 PM
Wonder who was supposed to be tracking McTominey last Monday?
Big Tyrone I think, Konsa certainly seemed to be blaming him afterwards.
Centre half tracking their central midfielder? McTominey ran from the edge of the box, past all four of our midfielders. Mings is not omnipotent.
Post by: Ian. on January 17, 2022, 07:52:50 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 17, 2022, 08:05:39 PM
Instead of analysing the shit out that second goal, I’d rather cherish Mings for his superb tackle during the second half and the way he helped lead us on to grab a point. His superb burst out of defence was brilliant and summed up our excellent fight back.
Absolutely, and I've made clear I don't blame him for the goal, I just thought it was strange people were blaming other even less culpable players. It was a mistake by Sanson, it happens. Barring that incident, both Sanson and Mings actually had pretty good games I thought - Mings, in particular, channelling prime-Baresi in the lead up to the first goal.
Post by: algy on January 17, 2022, 08:06:15 PM
Instead of analysing the shit out that second goal, I’d rather cherish Mings for his superb tackle during the second half and the way he helped lead us on to grab a point. His superb burst out of defence was brilliant and summed up our excellent fight back.Yeah, I agree. I like Tyrone. Think a fair proportion of the mistakes are basically caused by not having a DM in front to help ease the pressure on the back 5.
Don't get why some are marking him out as being a potential upgrade. Mings is a perfectly good defender, at least until we start challenging for a champions League slot on a regular basis.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2022, 09:08:18 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Post by: nigel on January 17, 2022, 10:08:31 PM
From the first time of watching it again, there was never any chance of Mings getting to that ball first. None. He was miles away from it, having sensibly dropped deep to give himself more time once he (should have) received Sanson's pass.
I disagree. Look at their starting positions. The X is where Fred had his first touch. Tyrone sat on his heels for a fraction of a second until Fred was running at full pace, and by the time he faced him up he was only about 3 or 4 yards outside the box. You're telling me he couldn't travel more than 3 or 4 yards in the time Fred covered 15?
For the record, I don't blame Tyrone for the goal - he was trying to judge the pace of the ball coming directly at him on a poor back pass and erred on the side of caution rather than rush out and find out it was going so slowly Fred easily gets the first. But that WAS a mistake - if he sprints the moment he realises it's under hit, he easily gets there first, and in time for a 50/50 in the absolute worst case (which he wins 9 times out of 10). Dougie had a better view of the pace of the ball from the side, and he called him out to get to it confident he could get there.
(https://i.ibb.co/w0Sk3SP/Screenshot-2022-01-17-at-16-54-40.jpg) (https://ibb.co/w0Sk3SP)
That statement is a touch inaccurate, mate.
As soon as Sanson makes the attempted pass Fred is moving, and quickly.
When the ball gets to your X that gap is significantly less.
Put a photo of the ball on the X and see the true distance.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 17, 2022, 11:00:19 PM
Fabrizio Romano saying Robin Olsen coming in as keeper tomorrow. Others saying bids for a centre back and a couple of midfielders also made. I didn't think you bid these days until after the medical had been done etc?
A couple of midfielders is a bit optimistic I think. We have loads as it is currently even if we just revert to one CF now.
I think we'll go big on a DM in last week and that will be it.
CB can wait until the summer unless Kons is going to be out for a while.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 18, 2022, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: darren woolley on January 18, 2022, 12:42:44 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2022, 12:45:44 PM
I can't see us spaffing £40m + on Bissouma who is away, unavailable and could potentially return injured. Zakaria is a more realistic option if we are going to make a signing this month. That and a CB and we've had the most amazing January.
If we sign Zakaria in this window I don't think we need to rush into getting another centre back. He can play there just as well as he can play in midfield so I'm ok with him being our 4th choice at centre back for less than 20 games whilst we find the right option to bring in.
The reasons I'd be willing to put it off a little are:
Are we looking for a 4th choice or are we looking for someone that competes with Mings and Konsa to be a regular starter?
Are we looking for a young player who will learnfrom the people in front of him and get better, someone at their peak or an older player on a last payday to fill the gap whilst bogarde/swinkels/feeney/smith/etc continue to progress?
Are we looking for someone with a bit of versatility to cover a few roles to give them more chance of getting gametime?
Also could Zakaria become the latter in the summer if Bissouma gets cleared and we go for him then instead?
If we're desperate to have cover all of those also make me think that maybe a loan would be better for now.
All the other first team signings (assuming a DM and Olson do happen) have been easy to clarify exactly what we're looking for and why but this one is much more complicated.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 18, 2022, 01:02:04 PM
Has he even been charged?
If so then is he out on bail?
and if both of the above are yes why has he been allowed to travel to Africa to play in the AFCON?
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
If the Bissouma links are true and people on here are worried about a pending legal case - a genuine set of questions are
Has he even been charged?
If so then is he out on bail?
and if both of the above are yes why has he been allowed to travel to Africa to play in the AFCON?
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/01/04/bissouma-can-play-in-africa-cup-after-police-release-him-under-investigation/
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 18, 2022, 01:17:01 PM
If the Bissouma links are true and people on here are worried about a pending legal case - a genuine set of questions are
Has he even been charged?
If so then is he out on bail?
and if both of the above are yes why has he been allowed to travel to Africa to play in the AFCON?
Pretty sure he has been charged and is on bail. Seen it reported that way anyway.
I would be very uncomfortable having someone on the team that may end up guilty of that, and would rather we didn't sign him unless he was cleared first.
Of course the press speculation may be incorrect, in which case he would be an excellent signing.
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 01:23:35 PM
So from my understanding of this, he hasnt been charged, he is no-longer on bail but the investigation going on.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 01:29:09 PM
If he IS actually innocent, then fair enough but I would sooner go for Zakaria anyway.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 18, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
I would not want a player of this type who escapes prosecution/conviction etc on a technicality!
If he IS actually innocent, then fair enough but I would sooner go for Zakaria anyway.
Innocent until proven guilty?
The issue is that this may never be cleared up so we need to take a chance or move on
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2022, 01:40:18 PM
I would not want a player of this type who escapes prosecution/conviction etc on a technicality!
If he IS actually innocent, then fair enough but I would sooner go for Zakaria anyway.
Jackie G seemed to escape some more serious charges last year when wearing sliders on a footpath in Birmingham...Yorke and McGrath certainly had serious off field issues to mention two previous Villa heroes. Did fans care? Should we?
Innocent until proven guilty it has to be.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 18, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 01:47:06 PM
That's the point! he may get away with it, but be as guilty as hell. On that basis, I wouldn't want him near us.
On the other hand, as I said before, if he IS innocent, then no problem.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2022, 01:56:01 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Innocent until proven guilty?Well quite. But how on earth would you ever know?
That's the point! he may get away with it, but be as guilty as hell. On that basis, I wouldn't want him near us.
On the other hand, as I said before, if he IS innocent, then no problem.
The way I see it is I'm going to let the club do the due dilligence they feel they need to. You can bet IF they are looking at him they will know far more detail than fans tearing their hair out on Twitter.
It goes without saying (I hope) that we wouldn't want a player convicted of sexual assault to join us. But if we feel it's very unlikley that there's a case to answer then there's a pretty small windo where he may just be gettable. I suspect he'll go to a top 4 team, but if we can get him he seems to me to offer just about everything we need in a DM. And at his age I think he's the sort of player you should be breaking the bank for.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 02:48:42 PM
Hopefully our club is now run well enough to carry out proper due diligence and ensure that we make no mistakes.
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 03:47:58 PM
Two men being investigated, one on bail and one not, would indicate that the second one doesn't have much to worry about.
It would seem to indicate that the person concerned perhaps wasn't as fully involved as the other person still on bail?
Post by: mike on January 18, 2022, 03:58:05 PM
I don’t know the circs of this case.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 04:36:21 PM
I might be inclined to give him a miss. Just in case.
Post by: OCD on January 18, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 04:39:53 PM
Post by: Big Ming on January 18, 2022, 05:39:35 PM
I can't see us spaffing £40m + on Bissouma who is away, unavailable and could potentially return injured. Zakaria is a more realistic option if we are going to make a signing this month. That and a CB and we've had the most amazing January.Zakaria had a serious knee injury a couple of seasons back and has been described as "not the same player in the tackle, since". Also has never played in the PL where Bissouma has proved he can hack it very well indeed.
Unless the money is an issue, I'd go with Bissouma
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2022, 06:00:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 07:33:58 PM
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/yves-bissouma-subject-to-30m-bid-with-aston-villa-newcastle-and-arsenal-keen/
Post by: Dave P on January 18, 2022, 07:52:11 PM
Post by: dave shelley on January 18, 2022, 08:02:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 08:15:15 PM
I’m sure he’ll be gone this month and I hope it’s us as he improves our midfield and team infinatly.
I don't see many non-Villa games but my uncle who watches all the televised PL games has wanted us to buy him for about 2 years. Reckons he's exactly what we've needed so he for one would be very excited if we did.
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2022, 08:51:56 PM
Post by: OCD on January 18, 2022, 09:02:24 PM
Someone (possibly us) is testing the water at £30m. Bids aren’t often put in like this unless the buyer has revived an inkling that the players wants to go or the club will listen to offers. I’m sure he’ll be gone this month and I hope it’s us as he improves our midfield and team infinatly.
It's one of those where you get a feeling there could be something in it and you wouldn't be surprised if we were.
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 09:03:50 PM
Twitter linking us with Luis Suarez.That would be interesting. But would he block Kenian's pathway? :-)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 09:06:41 PM
Post by: supertom on January 18, 2022, 09:12:35 PM
Depends how hungry he is.Twitter linking us with Luis Suarez.That would be interesting. But would he block Kenian's pathway? :-)
Post by: Matt C on January 18, 2022, 09:12:48 PM
Post by: frank black on January 18, 2022, 09:17:39 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 18, 2022, 09:26:03 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 09:28:18 PM
Crikey, surely we’d try and offload Ings if we got him in? Makes me think he would like an upgrade in the near future in what we already have here.Or its opportunitisc - which is something Purslow mentioned a lot in his interview.
Still would rather see a world class DCM
Post by: The Moose on January 18, 2022, 09:38:08 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 18, 2022, 09:40:50 PM
Crikey, surely we’d try and offload Ings if we got him in? Makes me think he would like an upgrade in the near future in what we already have here.Or its opportunitisc - which is something Purslow mentioned a lot in his interview.
Still would rather see a world class DCM
It’s certainly raising our profile and a very nice options to have on the bench.
At this rate I wouldn’t rule this DM as well!
Post by: Shrek on January 18, 2022, 09:41:32 PM
Plus it would create this embarrassing narrative of too many ex Liverpool connections for me. Gerrard and Coutinho are coups, but Suarez at this age is no improvement on Watkins or Ings imo
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2022, 09:42:32 PM
Suarez at ££££££££s a week ,That would be a bizarre signing
He's currently earning significantly less than we are supposed to be paying Digne.
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2022, 09:52:02 PM
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2022, 09:52:43 PM
Fuck it, why not !
Post by: Dave P on January 18, 2022, 09:56:56 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 09:57:58 PM
1) us to start winning more often
2) a really good DCM
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 09:58:31 PM
I no means against it - but - I would like to see two things more than this:Fuck me., I've lost the ability to speak
1) us to start winning more often
2) a really good DCM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 09:59:22 PM
Post by: mrfuse on January 18, 2022, 10:00:14 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 10:02:49 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 18, 2022, 10:13:31 PM
I am staunchly pro Suarez.
I have admired this player for a long time and it would be incredible to see the great man in our colours.
Six month deal with option for another year sounds good to me.
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2022, 10:15:40 PM
Suarez is every bit as good as Cavani if not better, and Cavani is doing just fine in the PL.Good point about Cavani.
I am staunchly pro Suarez.
I have admired this player for a long time and it would be incredible to see the great man in our colours.
Six month deal with option for another year sounds good to me.
If it’s good enough for them fuckers…….
Post by: john e on January 18, 2022, 10:15:42 PM
But if he signs he would be our horrible nasty little bastard
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2022, 10:16:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 10:19:26 PM
Suarez is every bit as good as Cavani if not better, and Cavani is doing just fine in the PL.
I am staunchly pro Suarez.
My initial reaction was a big No but didn't realise he was Atlético's top scorer as they won 'La Liga' and has scored 28 in 51 appearances for them. However he is 35 next month. If the idea is to sell Ings on and bring in experienced cover for a while then maybe it could work.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 10:22:31 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 18, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
Suarez is every bit as good as Cavani if not better, and Cavani is doing just fine in the PL.
I am staunchly pro Suarez.
I have admired this player for a long time and it would be incredible to see the great man in our colours.
Six month deal with option for another year sounds good to me.
That.
Ronaldo is 37 didn't see much negativity about him coming back the Premier League. Suarez is a simply brilliant player. Couple of years of him at Villa Park - yes please.
Post by: ozzjim on January 18, 2022, 10:30:06 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 10:40:55 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2022, 10:43:16 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 18, 2022, 10:45:20 PM
A top 6 squad imo.
Post by: Dazvillain on January 18, 2022, 10:50:47 PM
Can you imagine. If we did it, it might give us an out in selling Ings I guess. 18 month deal, proven winner. A lot to like about it, but ffs we need a holding midfielder Steven!Can’t see Stevie selling off ex reds players this early in his reign ? He likes experience of him and Ash around training ground too
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 10:51:53 PM
Ronaldo is 37 didn't see much negativity about him coming back the Premier League. Suarez is a simply brilliant player. Couple of years of him at Villa Park - yes please.
If we are going to go for him best get him in now. Messi can wait till the summer.
Post by: john e on January 18, 2022, 11:03:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2022, 11:05:50 PM
Honestly we could sign Coutinho Digne Harland Suarez Mbappe and KDB in this window and you lot would still be whingeing and whining about a fucking DCM
Well, to be fair, even if we did sign all of those, it would still be a problem.
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 11:13:17 PM
Honestly we could sign Coutinho Digne Harland Suarez Mbappe and KDB in this window and you lot would still be whingeing and whining about a fucking DCMPlus we would only have Hause as backup to Mings and Konsa ;D
Post by: Villan82 on January 18, 2022, 11:15:41 PM
Post by: john e on January 18, 2022, 11:16:30 PM
Honestly we could sign Coutinho Digne Harland Suarez Mbappe and KDB in this window and you lot would still be whingeing and whining about a fucking DCMPlus we would only have Hause as backup to Mings and Konsa ;D
That’s a bigger problem in my view
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2022, 11:17:02 PM
Suarez is every bit as good as Cavani if not better, and Cavani is doing just fine in the PL.
I am staunchly pro Suarez.
I have admired this player for a long time and it would be incredible to see the great man in our colours.
Six month deal with option for another year sounds good to me.
That.
Ronaldo is 37 didn't see much negativity about him coming back the Premier League. Suarez is a simply brilliant player. Couple of years of him at Villa Park - yes please.
Man United finished second last season. They are an absolute rabble this season. Biggest issue being the complete change in shape to accommodate CR. Their young forwards like Greenwood and Rashford are regressing hugely as a result. Bar selling shirts, the signing of CR has been a disaster for their team. Cavani has been dreadful this season, including twice against us in the past week.
Smith, and Gerrard of late, have been guilty of doing something similar to accommodate Ings in the team this season. Just hope Gerrard isn't making the same mistake again with Suarez.
Will Suarez be comfortable rotating with Watkins? Is he still capable of leading the line in the EPL against sides that defend with a high line? That's the role we need filled and I can't see how Suarez is any improvement on Ings.
Suarez surely proved Barca wrong last season but the Spanish league is at a very low ebb these days. It's the next Suarez we should be looking for.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 18, 2022, 11:42:42 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2022, 11:51:52 PM
Yep, there's been absolutely loads of negative stuff around ronaldo. That said i'm not sure they're the same sort of players so any comparison is not particularly helpful. Has Suarez's game changed much in recent years?
I don't recall him getting much of a kick in games v Chelsea and Liverpool. Granted Athletico were hopeless in those games. Still very dangerous in the box but sure so in Ings (without Watkins) and he's 5 years younger.
Seems like he is pissed off with not being a regular at Athletico. Is he going to be happy watching Watkins from the bench most weeks?
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 12:08:49 AM
And we don't need to sell Watkins or Ings, this would make us a stronger squad. Davis needs to be moved on and Archer a work in progress.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2022, 12:09:01 AM
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Post by: LeonW on January 19, 2022, 03:24:01 AM
We are a funny lot, having Suarez come across from a commercial perspective would be huge, true he's getting on a bit but he did well last season, on a short term contract what's the harm.
From the playing perspective my concern would be what it would do to the team. Now I know Ings and Watkins are hardly pulling up trees at the moment, but i’m thinking about what it would do to the two guys immediately behind one striker as think Gerrard won’t play Ings & Ollie again unless injuries force it. Bunedia needs runners for his passing and Coutinho needs someone to hold up the ball and lay it off for his long rangers. Plus if Digne is going to advance for quick deliveries he needs someone in the box who can get on the end of them at pace. Does Suarez fit that bill? I’m not so sure. And you’re also asking him to step up a level back to the pace of the premier league.
Post by: ROBBO on January 19, 2022, 04:32:01 AM
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Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2022, 06:47:35 AM
I guess it means that Gerrard is not happy with either Ings or Watkins as the answer up front from what he’s seen, and so thinks bringing Suarez in for 6-18 months before finding the right longer term answer gives us the best short term shot at climbing the table.
Yep, that’s the impression I’m getting from this.
Post by: sid1964 on January 19, 2022, 06:54:34 AM
Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 19, 2022, 07:18:39 AM
Where’s this stuff about Suarez coming from? Twitter? Or is it real?
The Spanish journo with a good record said he's listening to our offer to join in the summer. Nothing at all about this month unless another person said that. A pre contract on a free in the summer is all I've seen.
Post by: frank black on January 19, 2022, 07:42:30 AM
Where’s this stuff about Suarez coming from? Twitter? Or is it real?
You do know that the stronger rumours on Twitter have generally been accurate? I use Twitter rather than “the press” now. Some trusted journalist posted it (apparently)
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 19, 2022, 07:50:56 AM
In the same way I hated Ronaldo.
Would I have him in my team? Hell yes. He’s the nasty sort of bastard that we need at the moment.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 19, 2022, 08:28:58 AM
We've been too soft for years.
I want angry b******s with serious passion playing in my team.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 19, 2022, 08:50:24 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 08:56:35 AM
I'm already a bit concerned about the lack of pace in out attack. Swapping Watkins for Suarez isn't going to help.
For me, whilst I am concerned about the lack of goals I'd like us to give a front three of Coutinho, Buendia and either Watkins or Ings a proper go as I've a feeling it may really start to fire, particulaly now we have Dign supporting them.
I'm just not sure a short term vanity signing is worth upsetting the apple cart for. If we were realistically making a run for top four this season or had an injury crisis I may feel differently, but in our position I'm not sure what we'd be hoping to achieve with this.
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2022, 09:02:25 AM
Would be ecstatic to be wrong, of course. However, I think Suarez should just fulfil his destiny and go to Inter. The image of him in that kit makes sense.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2022, 09:13:23 AM
If he were to come we wouldn't be getting the L'pool player of 2013/14, we'd be getting a player in his 36th year.
Clearly it would indicate that we are riding a completely different wave where transfers are concerned than we were only 5 months ago.
Personally I'd much prefer if our manager and backroom team would demonstrate their coaching capabilities by making our good/great players (including the international Watkins) into even better players, rather than going down the oven ready, perhaps overcooked route in Suarez.
Post by: ironmaidenmania on January 19, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
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Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 09:37:15 AM
Post by: boozey182 on January 19, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
We're just getting the idea out there that on top of Coutinho and Digne, we could attract a player like Suarez... Every paper will mention it, it will be all over social media and suddenly the idea of playing for Aston Villa seems a little attractive to players all over the world. If we're good enough for Coutinho and Suarez...
I don't think he would be a good signing, and I don't really want to have him at our club. But the suggestion that he might come, even in the summer, could be much more significant than him playing for us would ever be.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2022, 09:39:01 AM
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 09:52:53 AM
This may just be a PR masterstroke, of course.Fair comment. You wont have the Sky reports sniggering 'lets be realistic' anymore, that's for sure.
We're just getting the idea out there that on top of Coutinho and Digne, we could attract a player like Suarez... Every paper will mention it, it will be all over social media and suddenly the idea of playing for Aston Villa seems a little attractive to players all over the world. If we're good enough for Coutinho and Suarez...
I don't think he would be a good signing, and I don't really want to have him at our club. But the suggestion that he might come, even in the summer, could be much more significant than him playing for us would ever be.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 09:55:28 AM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 19, 2022, 09:59:41 AM
He's not as world class as he was but he's still up there.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
Awesome.that we're linked with players of this footballing quality now as opposed to Jordan Bowery.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2022, 10:03:47 AM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
I think the racism bit is overblown:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/26/luis-suarez-am-i-a-racist-no-absolutely-not-i-was-horrified
Post by: mike on January 19, 2022, 10:13:41 AM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
I think the racism bit is overblown:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/26/luis-suarez-am-i-a-racist-no-absolutely-not-i-was-horrified
That sounds as convincing my dad swearing there was nothing wrong with describing something as 'n****r brown', which was as common as saying bottle green or navy blue in the 70s. The only thing he missed out is 'they' are the first ones to laugh when you call them chalky.
Post by: darren woolley on January 19, 2022, 10:14:11 AM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 19, 2022, 10:15:58 AM
He's 35 in 5 days time.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 19, 2022, 10:17:10 AM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
Absolutely. Leave well alone.
Post by: The Edge on January 19, 2022, 10:47:45 AM
John Terry had said and done worse and there was lots of opposition to him coming to Villa. He was instrumental in us getting promoted and being in the position we are now and I think most people look on his time here as positive and his behaviour was exemplary. I'm not condoning anything Suarez said of course not but his explanation about it being more of a language thing at least holds some credibility. If we sign Suarez and he bangs in a few vital goals for us I'm pretty sure his past indiscrepancies will become less of an issue. Things are moving fast and our owners are clearly fed up of long termism and want to get the ball rolling. This is the big push for the top and they have decided to back Gerrard to get us there.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
I think the racism bit is overblown:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/26/luis-suarez-am-i-a-racist-no-absolutely-not-i-was-horrified
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
He's 35 in 5 days time.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
So they were both out by a year ;)
Post by: villabear on January 19, 2022, 11:00:44 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 11:04:21 AM
ah ok. Got that one wrong, sorry.He's 35 in 5 days time.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
But still, one full season until he's knocking 36 then?
Post by: Billy Walker on January 19, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
Post by: boozey182 on January 19, 2022, 11:09:52 AM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
Oh, I absolutely agree with the last bit - I really don't want him here. And if Suarez was the only player that we'd been linked with, I would agree with your first point as well - it's not particularly impressive to attract one player at the end of his career.
But Suarez and Coutinho were Barcelona players very recently - I really think people will start to view us in a different light now. Football is an industry that diverts 90% of attention to 2% of the sport - the star players are everything, unfortunately. Other players recognise this, and they want to play with those stars. For a player like, for example, Bissouma to think if he went to Villa he could be playing with these types of players could be the difference between joining us and holding out for a better offer. Maybe our, pretty pathetic, attempts to get JWP and ESR in the summer would have ended differently with that backdrop...?
I think being linked with Suarez is great. Just as long as we don't actually sign him.
Post by: frank black on January 19, 2022, 11:16:24 AM
I read a tweet yesterday where someone suggested the strategy behind bringing in a player like Suarez might be linked to the owners' potential Las Vegas Villains project. He spends, maybe, twelve months with Villa and then transfers to Vegas to be the face of the new franchise? There just might be a logical, long-term strategy to such a move.
That would be one ugly billboard, not quite Beckham
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 19, 2022, 11:19:35 AM
ah ok. Got that one wrong, sorry.He's 35 in 5 days time.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.I don't want him, but he was 34 in Jan. He wont be knocking on the door of 36 for almost 2 whiole seasons from now.
...and if it's true that he wouldn't be joining till the summer, by the time he plays his first competitive game for Villa, he'll be closer to his 36th birthday than his 35th.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 11:21:24 AM
Post by: aev on January 19, 2022, 11:27:08 AM
Play one of Ings or Watkins, and get in a shit hot DM.
Post by: john e on January 19, 2022, 12:51:12 PM
Post by: PhilVill on January 19, 2022, 12:55:07 PM
Post by: sid1964 on January 19, 2022, 01:06:40 PM
He was asked what type of player that Villa would be getting, the expert replied -
That Suarez is not the player you remember at Liverpool and he does not do a lot of running but if put the ball in the box for him he will score goals.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2022, 01:20:48 PM
According to the Sky Spanish football expert - Suarez could be on his way to us as he has cannot get a game for his current club
He was asked what type of player that Villa would be getting, the expert replied -
That Suarez is not the player you remember at Liverpool and he does not do a lot of running but if put the ball in the box for him he will score goals.
The opposite of this season's version of Ollie then.
Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2022, 01:34:40 PM
some of you guys are going to be throwing yourself off rocks when we eventually get a DCM in and he doesn’t make the big massive difference your all expecting
This reminds me of when we had Kevin Richardson and he did so much work and kept our midfield in line, organising and holding and us hear people grumbling about him in the stand or our coach back to Devon.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 19, 2022, 01:45:36 PM
Starting games here and there but more of bench option for last 15 minutes and playing role with youngsters behind the scenes.
Currently we have Ings which hasn't really worked and I suspect we'll move him on in the summer. We know Ollie's strengths and weaknesses by now but he isn't firing us into top 6 on his own.
Ollie, Suarez and then younger CF to develop would be three solid options for CF role next season. Can see Archer being loaned out although he could fulfil that role.
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2022, 01:51:26 PM
some of you guys are going to be throwing yourself off rocks when we eventually get a DCM in and he doesn’t make the big massive difference your all expecting
This reminds me of when we had Kevin Richardson and he did so much work and kept our midfield in line, organising and holding and us hear people grumbling about him in the stand or our coach back to Devon.
Richardson was always the one to change if we were to improve, despite having already won two titles and finishing second with us and winning a league Cup as captain.
We had him as first goalscorer at about 20-1 for years and not once did it come in.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 19, 2022, 02:07:35 PM
As for moaning about a new DCM not having an impact, it would be nice to finally see a real effort made to get one. There is always the risk it doesn’t work, for example you won’t find me moaning about the clubs efforts to replace Grealish as the three bought in seemed a good idea on the face of it. The fact that the results have been mixed is one of those things really.
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2022, 02:08:51 PM
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 19, 2022, 02:16:37 PM
Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.Exactly. He's an arsehole and I don't want him anywhere near our football club.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
Post by: mike on January 19, 2022, 02:26:40 PM
John Terry had said and done worse and there was lots of opposition to him coming to Villa. He was instrumental in us getting promoted and being in the position we are now and I think most people look on his time here as positive and his behaviour was exemplary. I'm not condoning anything Suarez said of course not but his explanation about it being more of a language thing at least holds some credibility. If we sign Suarez and he bangs in a few vital goals for us I'm pretty sure his past indiscrepancies will become less of an issue. Things are moving fast and our owners are clearly fed up of long termism and want to get the ball rolling. This is the big push for the top and they have decided to back Gerrard to get us there.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
I think the racism bit is overblown:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/26/luis-suarez-am-i-a-racist-no-absolutely-not-i-was-horrified
With respect, saying 'why, black man,' is not a language thing, it's singling out his race during an argument.
Post by: john e on January 19, 2022, 02:27:20 PM
Hmmm, not too sure about that. A top class DM will really help. I look at Kante at Chelsea and he covers some unbelievable ground and does everything so simple. Be a huge positive
That’s the problem though picking the best in the business in that position and saying we need a player like that is easy
what we really mean is we want Kante Rice Philips Bisouma, Now they would make a massive difference
but unless it’s someone of that quality difference would be minimal if anything on what we have already
And let’s face it three of those mentioned above aren’t coming and the other is on a sex assault investigation so I’m guessing that’s not happening in this window either
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2022, 02:30:38 PM
Think Suarez would be a bad move and he’d command very high wages.
Would he cost that much extra though?
Say Gerrard doesn't fancy Ings and we sell him for 20m this summer as opposed to keeping him a year and selling him for 15m. That's 5m for.a year plus whatever Ings is on a week. Aside from what Suarez adds on the pitch there are the intangibles of increased profile for the club, players signing for us / extending contracts etc. We have experienced cover for a year whilst we look for younger options.
Post by: LeonW on January 19, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
Think Suarez would be a bad move and he’d command very high wages.
Would he cost that much extra though?
Say Gerrard doesn't fancy Ings and we sell him for 20m this summer as opposed to keeping him a year and selling him for 15m. That's 5m for.a year plus whatever Ings is on a week. Aside from what Suarez adds on the pitch there are the intangibles of increased profile for the club, players signing for us / extending contracts etc. We have experienced cover for a year whilst we look for younger options.
Ings is only on a 3 year contract, so getting the theoretical £15m you mention would work from a FFP point of view. But if we don't, adding Suarez means adding another big earner into the squad. It's the creep up of earners that should be the concern. It's all well and good if the top earners are delivering but if they're not, you end up in an Everton situation where they have money but can't spend it because of FFP restrictions. One summer they're signing James Rodriguez, Allan and Docuaore. The next, D.gray and A.Townsend on frees with El Ghazi on loan. From the financials, that's my concern. It's very easy to start down that road. Wouldn't want us to waste the situation we got ourselves in where we can currently afford the likes of Coutinho. Would Suarez only come for a year? 2 years is too long, especially if other options become available. This is all purely from the financial perspective. Have more concerns on the playing perspective.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
Ings is only on a 3 year contract, so getting the theoretical £15m you mention would work from a FFP point of view. But if we don't, adding Suarez means adding another big earner into the squad. It's the creep up of earners that should be the concern. It's all well and good if the top earners are delivering but if they're not, you end up in an Everton situation where they have money but can't spend it because of FFP restrictions. One summer they're signing James Rodriguez, Allan and Docuaore. The next, D.gray and A.Townsend on frees with El Ghazi on loan. From the financials, that's my concern. It's very easy to start down that road. Wouldn't want us to waste the situation we got ourselves in where we can currently afford the likes of Coutinho. Would Suarez only come for a year? 2 years is too long, especially if other options become available. This is all purely from the financial perspective. Have more concerns on the playing perspective.
Agree with that, I would only be in favour of Suarez coming if Ings was sold on for decent fee. Who knows what sort of deal could be worked out e.g. 12-18 months at Villa on reasonable wages followed by a lucrative deal with Las Vegas Villans. Anyway I trust NSWE and Purslow to do the right thing financially and leave the footballing judgements to Gerrard, Lange etc.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
According to the Sky Spanish football expert - Suarez could be on his way to us as he has cannot get a game for his current club
He was asked what type of player that Villa would be getting, the expert replied -
That Suarez is not the player you remember at Liverpool and he does not do a lot of running but if put the ball in the box for him he will score goals.
The opposite of this season's version of Ollie then.
Put me down as being in favour of us of having a forward who is able to score when in the box
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 19, 2022, 03:17:36 PM
According to the Sky Spanish football expert - Suarez could be on his way to us as he has cannot get a game for his current club
He was asked what type of player that Villa would be getting, the expert replied -
That Suarez is not the player you remember at Liverpool and he does not do a lot of running but if put the ball in the box for him he will score goals.
The opposite of this season's version of Ollie then.
Put me down as being in favour of us of having a forward who is able to score when in the box
Isn't that Ings though? Can't run but will score if you supply him with chances.
Post by: usav on January 19, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: Damo70 on January 19, 2022, 03:21:05 PM
John Terry had said and done worse and there was lots of opposition to him coming to Villa. He was instrumental in us getting promoted and being in the position we are now and I think most people look on his time here as positive and his behaviour was exemplary. I'm not condoning anything Suarez said of course not but his explanation about it being more of a language thing at least holds some credibility. If we sign Suarez and he bangs in a few vital goals for us I'm pretty sure his past indiscrepancies will become less of an issue. Things are moving fast and our owners are clearly fed up of long termism and want to get the ball rolling. This is the big push for the top and they have decided to back Gerrard to get us there.Suarez is knocking on the door of 36, though, being able to attract a player that age doesn't really say much.
Plus he's a nasty racist piece of shit. No thanks.
I think the racism bit is overblown:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/26/luis-suarez-am-i-a-racist-no-absolutely-not-i-was-horrified
With respect, saying 'why, black man,' is not a language thing, it's singling out his race during an argument.
In my experience living on a Spanish speaking island in Tenerife it is perfectly acceptable to say "Hola Moreno" (hello black guy) to a black, mixed race or darker skinned person. It is a friendly and acceptable greeting. But in the case of Suarez back in the day he didn't use the term "Moreno" he used the term "Negrito" which doesn't need much translating even if you aren't familiar with the Spanish language.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2022, 03:22:45 PM
Post by: Martin Carruthers on January 19, 2022, 03:28:41 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 19, 2022, 03:30:51 PM
This time last year Suarez was scoring 11 goals in 9 games in La Liga.
It all depends on the player, some remain fresher than others. Young has been fine when called upon this season. Zola was the best player on the park one afternoon at VP when he was 36. Giggs and Sheringham still had something to offer at 40. Pires was clearly over the hill at 37. At the moment Suarez is still very good.
Post by: CT Villan on January 19, 2022, 03:36:41 PM
In my experience living on a Spanish speaking island in Tenerife it is perfectly acceptable to say "Hola Moreno" (hello black guy) to a black, mixed race or darker skinned person. It is a friendly and acceptable greeting. But in the case of Suarez back in the day he didn't use the term "Moreno" he used the term "Negrito" which doesn't need much translating even if you aren't familiar with the Spanish language.
But isn't '-ito' used in Spanish to indicate affection, it certainly is in my family. Not sure if it's still derogatory with Negrito though.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2022, 03:37:36 PM
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2022, 03:39:04 PM
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Stevie's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2022, 03:59:28 PM
Has even 1 reliable source been quoted regarding the Suarez connection?
Yes
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 04:18:57 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.Good post Monty, on both issues.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2022, 04:44:33 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
You'll get nowhere with nuanced posts like that!
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2022, 04:46:03 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 19, 2022, 04:48:34 PM
According to the Sky Spanish football expert - Suarez could be on his way to us as he has cannot get a game for his current clubisn't that what Ings it's supposed to do?
He was asked what type of player that Villa would be getting, the expert replied -
That Suarez is not the player you remember at Liverpool and he does not do a lot of running but if put the ball in the box for him he will score goals.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2022, 04:58:43 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 19, 2022, 05:12:13 PM
Post by: frank black on January 19, 2022, 06:04:21 PM
I agree with Monty and suspect (and hope) that is this is all just agent inspired touting of a player looking for a move.
And maybe leaks on our side to make us look like a great place to be for good players that we are after this window
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 19, 2022, 06:16:52 PM
The much coveted DM.
Post by: Rigadon on January 19, 2022, 06:22:45 PM
After the misery we have all enjoyed I’ll take being sick from the Liverpool love in to score goals, win a lot of games and get into Europe again. We can then find the new Suarez and other top players. The Steven glow of come join me for wears off if we are arising around 10th again so let’s take some short term possible vomit inducing Kop love in and get ourselves in a better spot to push on.
That's it for me too. It's undoubted that Gerrard has a lure that wasn't here before under Dean (which is not a criticism of him in any way), but Coutinho is his mate as is Suarez I'm guessing. I'm totally fine with Gerrard using his illustrious patting career while great players he played with are still kicking footballs. Once that ship's sailed, we need to be in Europe (ideally the CL) and a genuine draw in our own right for world class players, and to get there we will need as many great players as we can get regardless of resale value.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 19, 2022, 06:28:56 PM
Are Villa the Club that registered 30m interest in Bissoma?
The much coveted DM.
I thought the same. From the way we do business I wouldn't be surprised.
Post by: yammers on January 19, 2022, 06:32:09 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2022, 06:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.
Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2022, 07:32:12 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
Missed this post until I saw SE reply, souns like you've had similar feedback to me.
I agree with you completely on the suitability of Suarez to how we play. I can see 2 types of striker that would work depending on exactly how the wingers/10s are deployed. If we carry on as we have and keep them plying the roles that Buendia in particular has had then I agree that Watkins with improved finishing is what we need. The alternative is that we start pushing them to run beyond the striker and get him to play more of a pivot role in which case we need to be looking for someone more Firmino who is comfortable as a 9 or 10 and plays well as a sort of target man (but not the 'head on a stick' type that so many English teams have used in the past).
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 19, 2022, 07:34:22 PM
After the misery we have all enjoyed I’ll take being sick from the Liverpool love in to score goals, win a lot of games and get into Europe again. We can then find the new Suarez and other top players. The Steven G glow of "come join me" wears off if we are arsing around 10th again so let’s take some short term high quality fixes, possible vomit inducing Kop love in and get ourselves in a better spot to push on.
Yeah me too.I If you have a Gerrard, a Coutinho and a Suarez this year I think it makes you better placed to get the world class 24 year old you want next year
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2022, 07:36:48 PM
It was lazy stupid journalism with not one credible source. Even those wankers at Sky have said its not happening.
Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2022, 07:39:23 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 19, 2022, 08:09:02 PM
Can't see us selling as we need decent cover for Digne - Unless Gerrard thinks Young is good enough and wants to bring in younger cover like Hickey who we were linked with. Would imagine we would ask for upwards of the £15m we paid for him if he does go.
Post by: algy on January 19, 2022, 08:20:46 PM
Some Newcastle sites claiming they are trying to buy Targett off us.Yeah, could see Targett going - unfortunately for him, he was custom made for Grealish, but without Jack ... I'm not sure. However, I think that's only happen if we've got someone else lined up. Not sure it'll be Hickey though - he'd want regular first team football, surely?
Can't see us selling as we need decent cover for Digne - Unless Gerrard thinks Young is good enough and wants to bring in younger cover like Hickey who we were linked with. Would imagine we would ask for upwards of the £15m we paid for him if he does go.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2022, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 19, 2022, 08:43:22 PM
why would Targett go? He's not a full international so that's not in jeopardy. He's a solid PL footballer at a club that hopefully starting next season will play a lot more games than we do now hopefully through Europe but also just by being more successful. He is in a superb spot right now to learn from a really excellent LB on the deficiencies in his game. He will continue to be a valuable part of our squad.
After being first choice for the past, what 2/3 seasons he may want first team football and a he’d probably get a pay increase as well.
Post by: Dave on January 19, 2022, 08:43:31 PM
why would Targett go?
If Newcastle bid, we accept and they throw more money at him than we're paying then why wouldn't he?
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2022, 09:01:02 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 19, 2022, 09:02:34 PM
I'd be sorry to see him go. Seems like a lovely lad.Agreed. I think hes done well here by and large.
Post by: Mister E on January 19, 2022, 09:03:59 PM
Some Newcastle sites claiming they are trying to buy Targett off us.Upward of £15m? Damn right!
Can't see us selling as we need decent cover for Digne - Unless Gerrard thinks Young is good enough and wants to bring in younger cover like Hickey who we were linked with. Would imagine we would ask for upwards of the £15m we paid for him if he does go.
He's improved much since he's been with us, and it's Noocastle.
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2022, 09:11:05 PM
Post by: Monty on January 19, 2022, 09:21:53 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.
Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.
I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.
Post by: Steve67 on January 19, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2022, 10:18:18 PM
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2022, 10:31:06 PM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Post by: Beard82 on January 19, 2022, 11:10:14 PM
Or - massive shaggerI read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2022, 11:20:40 PM
He's Head and Shoulders above the other guys.
Is there a release clause we can Trigger?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 19, 2022, 11:26:04 PM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.
Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.
I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.
I know that it's become a seemingly controversial position (and as someone who will never be subjected to it, it's a difficult point for me to make, and I would always defer to others who might), there are degrees of racism. There is the notional nan as mentioned above, there are Daily Mail readers, there's Boris Johnson, there's Adolf Hitler, and there's John Terry. All racists. Not all the same.
Post by: charlatan on January 20, 2022, 01:22:12 AM
Post by: LeonW on January 20, 2022, 03:09:09 AM
We are not signing Suarez.
It was lazy stupid journalism with not one credible source. Even those wankers at Sky have said its not happening.
That surely means that it's happening. Other week they said we weren’t interested in Coutinho. Hmm.
Post by: ROBBO on January 20, 2022, 05:32:26 AM
Post by: Monty on January 20, 2022, 08:00:31 AM
I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.
In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.
Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.
From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.
Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.
I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.
I know that it's become a seemingly controversial position (and as someone who will never be subjected to it, it's a difficult point for me to make, and I would always defer to others who might), there are degrees of racism. There is the notional nan as mentioned above, there are Daily Mail readers, there's Boris Johnson, there's Adolf Hitler, and there's John Terry. All racists. Not all the same.
I think that's a very fair thing to say. Just like their are degrees of (just to pick two random examples) handball, or biting, you know? All acts of c**tery come in degrees.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 20, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2022, 08:25:35 AM
I’d keep Targett for the rest of the season. We need two players for each position.
Gerrard has said that hasn't he? I wonder if we might see Targett move on in the summer and that lad from Bologna comes in?
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 10:00:12 AM
Two players per position when we're in at least one cup competition sure, but there's going to be plenty of players in the squad not getting much time on the pitch between now and May.
Young can cover Digne if need be. Arguably we're weaker for cover on Cash's side. I don't think Konsa is great there and Kaine Kessler-Hayden is completely untried at this level.
If Noocassil want to spend £20m-25m on Targett and it gives us breathing room with FFP and more scope for summer signings, I'd at least consider it.
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 20, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Realistically, are Manchester City going to let us take the next Phil Foden off their hands?
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2022, 10:03:59 AM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Realistically, are Manchester City going to let us take the next Phil Foden off their hands?
Depends on player though, Jayden Sancho fucked off because he thought he'd get games elsewhere so there's a precedent.
Post by: The Edge on January 20, 2022, 11:17:30 AM
We are not signing Suarez.That's that then. Probably for the best. We still have a dilemma though. Do we persist with Ollie & Ings, Ollie or Ings or go for something else? Gerrard has mentioned in a couple of interviews about us dominating possession without getting the rewards. Brentford away Man U away were both very winnable if we took our chances. I think SG would like a class striker to add to what we have but if that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see Ings leave us.
It was lazy stupid journalism with not one credible source. Even those wankers at Sky have said its not happening.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 20, 2022, 11:59:37 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2022, 12:03:14 PM
We are shooting ourselves in the foot every time we play Both! We loose a creative player and have two strikers who don't work as a pair, so effectively playing with 9 men.
The only time I thought it worked was at Old Trafford in the cup game.
Post by: Richard E on January 20, 2022, 12:04:42 PM
We are shooting ourselves in the foot every time we play Both! We loose a creative player and have two strikers who don't work as a pair, so effectively playing with 9 men.
The only time I thought it worked was at Old Trafford in the cup game.
I know what you mean, but we lost, so in that sense it didn't work all that well.
Post by: Gareth on January 20, 2022, 02:20:24 PM
Would like to see both of them play games up top with Coutinho / Buendia as 10’s alongside them.
Post by: jwarry on January 20, 2022, 02:22:11 PM
Post by: Monty on January 20, 2022, 03:37:35 PM
I think it has to be either Watkins or Ings not both. To be honest neither have massively impressed me this season - Ollie seems quite lightweight, whether that is because the ball arrives in forward areas in a different way without Jack carrying it constantly or not I don’t know. Ings has scored a couple of lovely goals but he does seem to disappear from games for long periods.
Would like to see both of them play games up top with Coutinho / Buendia as 10’s alongside them.
And who in midfield?
Post by: Gareth on January 20, 2022, 03:47:35 PM
I meant both get a chance to play as a single striker as part of the three not both play together.I think it has to be either Watkins or Ings not both. To be honest neither have massively impressed me this season - Ollie seems quite lightweight, whether that is because the ball arrives in forward areas in a different way without Jack carrying it constantly or not I don’t know. Ings has scored a couple of lovely goals but he does seem to disappear from games for long periods.
Would like to see both of them play games up top with Coutinho / Buendia as 10’s alongside them.
And who in midfield?
Post by: Monty on January 20, 2022, 03:50:11 PM
I meant both get a chance to play as a single striker as part of the three not both play together.I think it has to be either Watkins or Ings not both. To be honest neither have massively impressed me this season - Ollie seems quite lightweight, whether that is because the ball arrives in forward areas in a different way without Jack carrying it constantly or not I don’t know. Ings has scored a couple of lovely goals but he does seem to disappear from games for long periods.
Would like to see both of them play games up top with Coutinho / Buendia as 10’s alongside them.
And who in midfield?
Ahh gotcha.
Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2022, 04:45:34 PM
If he tries one or the other and it doesn't work, then maybe bring in another forward, but that doesn't feel like it should be a priority this window?
Post by: TonyD on January 20, 2022, 06:10:23 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 20, 2022, 06:41:53 PM
If and when he goes it'll be with his head held high because he certainly has enhanced his reputation in the last 18 months.
Post by: thick_mike on January 20, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
No DCM yet. 26 years and counting.
George Boateng was with us until 2002, so I’d say 20 years.
Post by: trinityoap on January 20, 2022, 07:00:26 PM
Post by: frank black on January 20, 2022, 07:02:13 PM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Realistically, are Manchester City going to let us take the next Phil Foden off their hands?
Was this the kid they tried to part-ex for Grealish?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 20, 2022, 07:29:27 PM
I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Realistically, are Manchester City going to let us take the next Phil Foden off their hands?
Was this the kid they tried to part-ex for Grealish?
No, he's at Forest and set up the winner against Arse
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 07:38:50 PM
No DCM yet. 26 years and counting.
George Boateng was with us until 2002, so I’d say 20 years.
He's with us now, coaching the kids. Maybe he could still do a job. I hope Steven isn't still feeling sheepish about that terrible red-carded challenge on George a couple of days before 9/11 when we won 3-1 at Anfield (Dublin, Henders and Vass).
Post by: Monty on January 20, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2022, 08:11:42 PM
About to look incredibly stupid, but when we say 26 years, who would that be since?
Not who, what? It's the sort of thing a Bluenose might bring up as it's 11 years and counting for them. https://lastwonatrophy.co.uk/aston-villa/
Post by: Ian. on January 20, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 20, 2022, 08:13:23 PM
Post by: Risso on January 20, 2022, 08:14:21 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 20, 2022, 08:16:02 PM
Ah so he's got better stats then Joe this yearI read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.
What position does he play mate?
He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.
Realistically, are Manchester City going to let us take the next Phil Foden off their hands?
Was this the kid they tried to part-ex for Grealish?
No, he's at Forest and set up the winner against Arse
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2022, 08:27:52 PM
About to look incredibly stupid, but when we say 26 years, who would that be since?
The man who seems to have made a real comeback on Talksport in recent weeks perhaps?
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2022, 08:33:09 PM
About to look incredibly stupid, but when we say 26 years, who would that be since?
The man who seems to have made a real comeback on Talksport in recent weeks perhaps?
The one player we haven't replaced since.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 20, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Post by: devilla on January 20, 2022, 09:06:49 PM
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
I'd say Whelan and Jedinak deserve a mention. Both played their part in our coming up.
Whelan's part being missing the penalty which got Bruce sacked, presumably?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 20, 2022, 10:13:05 PM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
His brother Inaki plays up front for them. Not sure if it’s still the case but he’d played something like 250 conservative games without injury or suspension, which is some going.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2022, 11:17:30 PM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
His brother Inaki plays up front for them. Not sure if it’s still the case but he’d played something like 250 conservative games without injury or suspension, which is some going.
That’s a great sTory.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2022, 11:36:33 PM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
His brother Inaki plays up front for them. Not sure if it’s still the case but he’d played something like 250 conservative games without injury or suspension, which is some going.
That’s a great sTory.
plays on the Right you say ?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 20, 2022, 11:41:56 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2022, 12:20:00 AM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
His brother Inaki plays up front for them. Not sure if it’s still the case but he’d played something like 250 conservative games without injury or suspension, which is some going.
I imagine he's got number 10 on his back right now.
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2022, 12:20:43 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2022, 07:58:20 AM
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2022, 12:21:41 PM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
His brother Inaki plays up front for them. Not sure if it’s still the case but he’d played something like 250 conservative games without injury or suspension, which is some going.
I think you will find that they aren’t “games” they are “Work events”
Post by: placeforparks on January 21, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
I'm watching Athletic Bilbao against Barcelona. Bilbao have a young midfielder called Nico Williams who looks an excellent player. Right side midfielder who's put in some wicked crosses and has a good turn of speed. Only 19 so could be one for the future but worth a look.
the problems is all bilbao players have a premium because of their 'basque-only' rule. usually requires the release clause to be met, hence kepa costing £71m!
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2022, 01:12:21 PM
I still think Kamara from Rangers could arrive as a squad option if we can't get Bissouma this window.
I hope not, we have Nakamba as a squad option in that role, he can come in for a few games here and there and do a job, we know that and we don't need someone of a similar standard to him, we need a DM who comes in and is immediately good enough to be playing top6 level. That makes it a really hard task but there's not much point adding squad filler now, it just blocks the chances for the kids coming through without offsetting that with improvements on the field.
I'd accept a player like Kamara on loan to cover whilst Nakamba is injured but I see no chance of Rangers agreeing to that.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 21, 2022, 02:42:10 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 21, 2022, 03:13:24 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Does Recaro still make their seats on the bench?
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2022, 03:23:22 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Does Recaro still make their seats on the bench?
I've never quite understood the need for boy racer car seats in the dugouts. They're not designed for comfort are they? They should have big La-Z-Boy recliners instead.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2022, 03:25:35 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Does Recaro still make their seats on the bench?
I've never quite understood the need for boy racer car seats in the dugouts. They're not designed for comfort are they? They should have big La-Z-Boy recliners instead.
Going on our injuries record, some ergonomically sound chairs might be an idea.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 21, 2022, 04:06:12 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
There were too many important games in the summer window and into the autumn for River Plate to sell him. I said at the time we should have bought him (they needed the money) and loaned him back to them until December 2021.
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2022, 04:15:51 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Well they are definitely short of an attacking player or two.
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2022, 04:22:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2022, 04:55:03 PM
Post by: john e on January 21, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Does Recaro still make their seats on the bench?
I've never quite understood the need for boy racer car seats in the dugouts. They're not designed for comfort are they? They should have big La-Z-Boy recliners instead.
Aristocratic clubs like Villa and maybe Arsenal should have chaise longue’s
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 21, 2022, 06:22:32 PM
Gerrard today “The players have to accept that I'm going to try to improve this club in every single department, so if someone arrives in your position, you're going have to accept it and fight for game time."Which is exactly as it should be.
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 21, 2022, 06:23:13 PM
With the subs in velvet smoking jackets.Alvarez to Man City it seems. Shame we couldn't get him when we were rumored to.
Does Recaro still make their seats on the bench?
I've never quite understood the need for boy racer car seats in the dugouts. They're not designed for comfort are they? They should have big La-Z-Boy recliners instead.
Aristocratic clubs like Villa and maybe Arsenal should have chaise longue’s
Post by: Steve67 on January 21, 2022, 09:00:19 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2022, 04:03:47 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Think today emphasised the need for a big, physical defensive midfielder, defending set pieces is a bit scary with only Mings / Konsa tall enough to match up when sides have 3/4/5 6foot+‘ers
It also underlines why Watkins has to start over Ings.
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2022, 04:14:23 PM
Just saw Rodrigo Betantcur from Juventus linked - not got a clue as never seen him play but 6ft 2. Defensive midfielder sounds good to me
Totally agree with the sentiment about the need for a unit in the centre of the park. I have no idea who this Juve lad is but hope we sign someone in this position as it is so desperately needed.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
Just saw Rodrigo Betantcur from Juventus linked - not got a clue as never seen him play but 6ft 2. Defensive midfielder sounds good to me
How many defensive midfielders do Juventus have? We have also been linked with McKennie.
Post by: jwarry on January 22, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2022, 04:23:39 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 22, 2022, 04:24:55 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
No problem with a work permit then? Linked by someone called Tom Collomosse? Is he reliable?
Daily Mail Midlands reporter. He's not John Percy but may have picked something up today.
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 22, 2022, 04:59:33 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 22, 2022, 05:25:07 PM
Post by: caster troy on January 22, 2022, 05:57:30 PM
I didn’t think he was a dm or if he is he’s more of a deep play maker sitting rather than a destroyer breaking up play. He’s tall but not a unit.
* checks football manager * best role 'ball winning midfielder' best attributes tackling/work rate/positioning/aggression. Sounds ideal to me.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2022, 06:01:49 PM
Just saw Rodrigo Betantcur from Juventus linked - not got a clue as never seen him play but 6ft 2. Defensive midfielder sounds good to me
How many defensive midfielders do Juventus have? We have also been linked with McKennie.
If that's true that's quality.
Would take him . Proper enhancement
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 22, 2022, 06:30:21 PM
I didn’t think he was a dm or if he is he’s more of a deep play maker sitting rather than a destroyer breaking up play. He’s tall but not a unit.
* checks football manager * best role 'ball winning midfielder' best attributes tackling/work rate/positioning/aggression. Sounds ideal to me.
And all part of our master plan to conquer South America before heading north in 2024.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2022, 07:55:57 PM
Would like to say I really pleased with the outfield additions and hoping a couple more in.
There's likely to be some opportunistic efforts made which will enhance the squad so will be positive as we're a club that can swoop in on other teams bids due to the financial pull and the excellent kudos SG brings
Let's enjoy ourselves now and look forward with caution but hope. Just like in life
Be safe.
Up the Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 22, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
Before I go on winter break till 9th Feb.
Would like to say I really pleased with the outfield additions and hoping a couple more in.
There's likely to be some opportunistic efforts made which will enhance the squad so will be positive as we're a club that can swoop in on other teams bids due to the financial pull and the excellent kudos SG brings
Let's enjoy ourselves now and look forward with caution but hope. Just like in life
Be safe.
Up the Villa
Good luck wherever you go on your break with no internet FV.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2022, 11:57:12 AM
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 12:28:10 PM
Bentancur looks a yard slow for the Premier league in the obligatory YouTube clips to me, but happy to be proved wrong.
More of a Carles Sanchez then, our former Columbian midfielder?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2022, 01:50:45 PM
Luis Suarez has provided Steven Gerrard with a glowing reference on #avfc target Rodrigo Bentacur. Juventus midfielder & Uruguay international now #1 choice at DCM after Villa's £25m bid for Yves Bissouma rejected by Brighton. Talks to continue this week, as per @TomCollomosse
https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1485248179591340034?s=21
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 01:53:25 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2022, 01:56:17 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2022, 02:08:31 PM
I wouldn't be shocked by us signing Bentancur and Kamara as the latter can play centre half too. We are painfully light in that 3 man midfield.
Post by: Ian. on January 23, 2022, 02:10:08 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2022, 02:13:04 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 23, 2022, 02:19:56 PM
You don't think we've held our own investigation, Ian? There's no way we'd be throwing that type of money around on a player unless we knew he wouldn't be spending next season behind bars.
Well we’re not the clusterfuck of the last few years so I hope so RCF. Still a concern though until the police have finished with him.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2022, 02:37:21 PM
You don't think we've held our own investigation, Ian? There's no way we'd be throwing that type of money around on a player unless we knew he wouldn't be spending next season behind bars.
You’re almost certainly correct Rudy but I do wonder how much they’d be able to find out as they would not have access to the victim and police. Bissouma, if guilty, would lie anyway. I have no idea how much detail is publicly available on stuff like this.
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2022, 02:46:06 PM
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2022, 02:49:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
You’d also think that Brighton, being his employers and close to the individual, would have an inkling what was going on and, if it didn’t look good for him, would want to give him away and not turning down £25m bids?
Also Potter doesn't strike me as the type of manager who'd turn a blind eye to such matters.
Post by: Chap on January 23, 2022, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 05:30:12 PM
It concerns me that we’re bidding on a player who’s out on bail with an allegation against him. He’s definitely the sort of player we need, but I’d stay clear for a while.
He's not on bail now Ian, it's been downgraded to "under investigation". The bloke he was with is still on bail, so without knowing anything else about the case, it seems he could be the main suspect while Bissouma's involvement is now viewed less seriously.
Post by: Ian. on January 23, 2022, 05:42:16 PM
It concerns me that we’re bidding on a player who’s out on bail with an allegation against him. He’s definitely the sort of player we need, but I’d stay clear for a while.
He's not on bail now Ian, it's been downgraded to "under investigation". The bloke he was with is still on bail, so without knowing anything else about the case, it seems he could be the main suspect while Bissouma's involvement is now viewed less seriously.
Ok, that sounds a bit less concerning. Still something is nagging my head that he may have been involved to some extent in that club with his mate. It could well be me getting all defensive, having three girls is quite a worry. Especially as two of them are getting older and cocky little brats are on the scene nowadays!
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 23, 2022, 07:06:54 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 23, 2022, 07:19:31 PM
From John Percy
Luis Suarez has provided Steven Gerrard with a glowing reference on #avfc target Rodrigo Bentacur. Juventus midfielder & Uruguay international now #1 choice at DCM after Villa's £25m bid for Yves Bissouma rejected by Brighton. Talks to continue this week, as per @TomCollomosse
https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1485248179591340034?s=21
My only concern is I'm pretty sure Stiliyan gave Tonev a glowing reference
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2022, 07:47:57 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 08:18:58 PM
Bentancur starting for Juve tonight.
You would have thought they's be protecting their investment and not playing him if this potential deal was true?
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2022, 08:19:36 PM
Bentancur starting for Juve tonight.
You would have thought they's be protecting their investment and not playing him if this potential deal was true?
Unless they don't want to sell.
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2022, 08:22:02 PM
Ok, that sounds a bit less concerning. Still something is nagging my head that he may have been involved to some extent in that club with his mate. It could well be me getting all defensive, having three girls is quite a worry. Especially as two of them are getting older and cocky little brats are on the scene nowadays!
I know where you're coming from Ian, as another dad with three daughters. Still though, innocent until proven guilty and all that. Look at Ched Evans for example, complete stitch up.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2022, 08:22:48 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 23, 2022, 08:38:38 PM
Got to love twitter... Some people... He looks great get him in based on the game tonight. Others... He's useless and miles off the pace.
Thought I’d give it a watch with a view to keeping an eye on him. Quite tidy on the ball but he’s not been involved too much. See what happens in the second half.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2022, 08:48:57 PM
Got to love twitter... Some people... He looks great get him in based on the game tonight. Others... He's useless and miles off the pace.
Thought I’d give it a watch with a view to keeping an eye on him. Quite tidy on the ball but he’s not been involved too much. See what happens in the second half.
I’d agree with your assessment. Used the ball well but there’s so much space its hard to judge.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 23, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 23, 2022, 09:51:37 PM
He might be the reading the game type and getting in the right positions to stop attacks, which is no bad thing, but he’s certainly not the Kante high energy DM which we need, he’s just a taller Doug.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2022, 10:16:38 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2022, 10:18:11 PM
Surely every player comes with a recommendation from someone?
McLeish got a great recommendation from Fergie
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2022, 12:12:22 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think we are 2 centre mids light in the squad, but this guy doesn't look like the combative number 6 we need to me. Maybe Naka is that though, and this guy will slot into the squad.
We need an upgraded version of Marv ideally. Marv is fine as a squad player slotting in here and there, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI, which Bissouma is to be fair.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2022, 01:55:02 AM
Post by: Gerrin on January 24, 2022, 10:12:16 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think we are 2 centre mids light in the squad, but this guy doesn't look like the combative number 6 we need to me. Maybe Naka is that though, and this guy will slot into the squad.
We need an upgraded version of Marv ideally. Marv is fine as a squad player slotting in here and there, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI, which Bissouma is to be fair.
If we sign a DM and Coutinho stays, barring losing any players, I'm starting to wonder what signings can be made in the Summer? After upgrading the promotion squad, we're now upgrading players we bought to replace them.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think we are 2 centre mids light in the squad, but this guy doesn't look like the combative number 6 we need to me. Maybe Naka is that though, and this guy will slot into the squad.
We need an upgraded version of Marv ideally. Marv is fine as a squad player slotting in here and there, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI, which Bissouma is to be fair.
If we sign a DM and Coutinho stays, barring losing any players, I'm starting to wonder what signings can be made in the Summer? After upgrading the promotion squad, we're now upgrading players we bought to replace them.
Competition for Cash, unless Kesler has a real breakthrough. Genuine first team competition for Mings and then the possibility of selling Ings and bringing in a real top quality forward.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 24, 2022, 11:09:11 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think we are 2 centre mids light in the squad, but this guy doesn't look like the combative number 6 we need to me. Maybe Naka is that though, and this guy will slot into the squad.
We need an upgraded version of Marv ideally. Marv is fine as a squad player slotting in here and there, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI, which Bissouma is to be fair.
If we sign a DM and Coutinho stays, barring losing any players, I'm starting to wonder what signings can be made in the Summer? After upgrading the promotion squad, we're now upgrading players we bought to replace them.
Competition for Cash, unless Kesler has a real breakthrough. Genuine first team competition for Mings and then the possibility of selling Ings and bringing in a real top quality forward.
Guilbert may well be the man for that, and I rate Kesler too. Can see Gerrard liking Guilbert as he is good going forwards.
Agree we need a centre half capable of genuinely competing for a place with Mings / Konsa (think that will be Gomez) and ideally a better striker (think that will be Suarez).
Trez, Luiz, and Ings can probably all go to recoup some of the spend and wages.
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2022, 11:27:58 AM
Post by: villadelph on January 24, 2022, 01:14:06 PM
Guilbert won't play for us again. I don't understand the candle held for him to be honest, he's a limited player.
FWIW, he's in the WhoScored Ligue 1 Team of the Season so far..
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2022, 01:14:10 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think we are 2 centre mids light in the squad, but this guy doesn't look like the combative number 6 we need to me. Maybe Naka is that though, and this guy will slot into the squad.
We need an upgraded version of Marv ideally. Marv is fine as a squad player slotting in here and there, but we need a better version of him in the starting XI, which Bissouma is to be fair.
If we sign a DM and Coutinho stays, barring losing any players, I'm starting to wonder what signings can be made in the Summer? After upgrading the promotion squad, we're now upgrading players we bought to replace them.
Competition for Cash, unless Kesler has a real breakthrough. Genuine first team competition for Mings and then the possibility of selling Ings and bringing in a real top quality forward.
Guilbert may well be the man for that, and I rate Kesler too. Can see Gerrard liking Guilbert as he is good going forwards.
Agree we need a centre half capable of genuinely competing for a place with Mings / Konsa (think that will be Gomez) and ideally a better striker (think that will be Suarez).
Trez, Luiz, and Ings can probably all go to recoup some of the spend and wages.
Unless we get European football then we won't be in a position to rotate centre backs, injuries aside. Konsa is one of the best CBs in the league and Mings for all his faults is top half anyway. It's going to be a hard sell to bring in someone decent there. Tuanzebe I think realised this recently and pissed off. Hause is happy enough being Mings backup it seems.
Full back is a position we should be rotating a bit more for sure. Cash particularly had it far too easy last season.
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2022, 01:16:04 PM
Guilbert won't play for us again. I don't understand the candle held for him to be honest, he's a limited player.
FWIW, he's in the WhoScored Ligue 1 Team of the Season so far..
Good for him, presumably as a result we'll have bigger teams than Strasbourg offering a big fee to take him from us.
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2022, 01:49:07 PM
Guilbert won't play for us again. I don't understand the candle held for him to be honest, he's a limited player.
I think it depends on whether he wants to come back, and if he does, if Gerrard wants to take a look at him. Two ways of looking at it I reckon - he's done quite well over there by all accounts, so buying somebody like that would cost a lot more than we paid for him so worth giving him a chance. Or, because his value will have increased, we'd make a tidy profit selling him. FWIW I liked him first year back, thought he was one of our better players.
Post by: villabear on January 24, 2022, 02:07:08 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 24, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
El Ghazi
Trez
Guilbert
Steer
Davis
Targett?
Young?
Luiz mainly because he'll only have 12 months left. Does anyone know if he's been offered a new contract?
Not sure what we'll get for that lot.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
I always liked Guilbert but for me I want to see Kessler given a chance, I think he might be a bit special.Guilbert won't play for us again. I don't understand the candle held for him to be honest, he's a limited player.
I think it depends on whether he wants to come back, and if he does, if Gerrard wants to take a look at him. Two ways of looking at it I reckon - he's done quite well over there by all accounts, so buying somebody like that would cost a lot more than we paid for him so worth giving him a chance. Or, because his value will have increased, we'd make a tidy profit selling him. FWIW I liked him first year back, thought he was one of our better players.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 24, 2022, 03:41:50 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2022, 03:53:46 PM
However if the club think Kessler is close to breaking through then I can see the appeal of cashing in on a valuable asset whilst we can. If they're thinking this way I'd like to see Kessler ge a few games soon though.
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2022, 04:00:22 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2022, 04:08:39 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
Post by: UK Redsox on January 24, 2022, 04:17:14 PM
I think Guilbert's contract may be up in the summer?
2023 according to Transfermarkt
Post by: UK Redsox on January 24, 2022, 04:20:51 PM
I think Lil Louie is now the third choice striker until Bert gets back from AFCON
Post by: Dave on January 24, 2022, 04:22:45 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
Not at all. I can't think of anyone who knows more about football than him.
Post by: villabear on January 24, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
I think he's OK. One of the better journo's IMHO.
Post by: King Cropley on January 24, 2022, 06:11:16 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.
(https://i.ibb.co/TwbmQCN/Screenshot-20220124-175930-Samsung-Internet-Beta.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwbmQCN)
Post by: nigel on January 24, 2022, 06:31:59 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.
(https://i.ibb.co/TwbmQCN/Screenshot-20220124-175930-Samsung-Internet-Beta.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwbmQCN)
Going by that Bentancur is certainly worth a go.
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2022, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
Not at all. I can't think of anyone who knows more about football than him.
cheers ,sorry wasn’t sure
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2022, 08:06:12 PM
Post by: algy on January 24, 2022, 08:36:11 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2022, 09:42:16 PM
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 25, 2022, 02:37:37 AM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
Not at all. I can't think of anyone who knows more about football than him.
Which is a bit concerning. Then again, a player that's been a staple in Juve's first eleven for five seasons ought to be quite good by most standards. Surely?
Post by: Dave on January 25, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
Andy Brassell's watched pretty much every football match that has ever happened.
Is that Sarcasm or is he on this stuff ?
Not at all. I can't think of anyone who knows more about football than him.
Which is a bit concerning. Then again, a player that's been a staple in Juve's first eleven for five seasons ought to be quite good by most standards. Surely?
You'd think. And there is a difference between "not as good at 24 as Juventus hoped he would be when he was 19" and "not good enough to play for Villa". I guess it just feels a bit like an extra body, rather than somebody to come in an immediately be obviously better than what we already have.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 25, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
Oh the happy days are here again
Post by: john e on January 25, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
i dont know anything about him, but from what i've read he does seem very similar to what we have already especially Doug
not that i'm bothered i like Doug and all are other Mids as well as it goes
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2022, 11:03:08 AM
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Villa’s move for Juventus’ Bentancur – the scouting trip, the clause, the plan
TURIN, ITALY - JANUARY 25:
By Gregg Evans 6h ago 20
Ambitious Aston Villa are attempting to bring Rodrigo Bentancur of Juventus to England but the complexities of the deal are making it difficult.
Steven Gerrard has highlighted the defensive midfield position as his priority, alongside another centre-back, in this final week of this month’s transfer window.
Brighton’s Mali international Yves Bissouma was previously considered but his hefty price tag of £40 million-plus has forced Villa to look elsewhere. Bentancur, a 24-year-old with 45 Uruguay caps to his name already, was scouted in person by a member of the recruitment team against AC Milan this weekend and is now understood to be the top target.
Villa are yet to lodge a formal bid though and are also aware that a number of issues — including a hefty sell-on clause in his contract — may thwart their chances of bringing him in. Boca Juniors, the Argentinian side Juventus paid €9.5 million to sign Bentancur from in the summer of 2017, negotiated a deal where they will also receive 50 per cent of any future transfer fee.
Juventus have been working on reducing that figure over the past few years but a sizeable percentage still remains in place. Selling him now would make little sense of them financially, especially if Villa are looking for a cut-price deal. But now that Juventus are preparing a €70 million offer for Fiorentina striker Dusan Vlahovic, they may have to make a sacrifice.
Head coach Massimiliano Allegri is a big admirer of Bentancur, as he possesses different qualities to fellow midfielders Arthur Melo and Aaron Ramsey, the latter of whom is available for transfer from the Turin club this month.
Bentancur has the ability to protect the back four effectively due to the hard yards he puts in. Allegri sees him as more a reliable option than Arthur and more durable than Wales and former Arsenal star Ramsey. He doesn’t want to lose him in this window, either, especially if a replacement cannot be sourced.
Bentancur, a three-time Serie A title winner with Juventus, has occasionally had grief from their supporters, who complain that he can’t dictate the tempo as well as others have for the club over the years. He has been criticised for not being the answer to issues with Juventus’ build-up play, which still misses a player in the mould of Andrea Pirlo or Miralem Pjanic.
Yet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
He’s valued by manager Allegri for his engine. No one on the pitch matched Bentancur’s 29 pressures and both Gerrard and his assistant Gary McAllister have discussed why he is the right fit for Villa.
For weeks now, Villa have been playing with Douglas Luiz in defensive midfield, despite his preference for a more advanced role. Since Marvelous Nakamba sustained a knee injury shortly before Christmas that the club projected would keep him out for up to four months, Gerrard has been light in that department and turned to Luiz for help.
When the Premier League returns next month after its current short break, Gerrard wants both John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey to be more attack-minded, but also to shore things up with a proper defensive midfielder behind them.
Morgan Sanson isn’t a specialist in this area and while Luiz has done an admirable job for now, Villa see him competing with McGinn and Ramsey for one of the other midfield spots. Villa are, therefore, hopeful of concluding a deal, but recognise that there’s still a lot to piece together before Monday night’s 11pm GMT deadline.
While the loan signing of Brazil attacking midfielder Philippe Coutinho from Barcelona and the capture of Everton’s France elft-back Lucas Digne were both eye-catching, they were also arranged with the full blessing of the other club.
Barcelona needed to get Coutinho’s salary from their books in order to register Ferran Torres, the forward they’d bought from Manchester City, while Digne was moved on after a public fall-out with then-Everton manager Rafa Benitez.
Villa flexed their muscles and stumped up the cash to get both players in, but landing Bentancur is a different story. He’s a regular for Juventus, is liked and trusted by Allegri, the manager who signed him for the club during his first spell in charge, and is understood to be happy in Italy, where he has played Champions League football every season since his move from Boca Juniors.
With all that in mind, his signing would be the biggest surprise of the window and a real statement from Villa, who have their eyes on a top-eight finish.
Bringing in another centre-back is also on the wish list this week.
Villa are looking for someone with top-flight experience to compete with Tyrone Mings, Ezri Konsa and Kortney Hause for the two starting roles.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2022, 11:05:00 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 25, 2022, 11:21:19 AM
We need a top class centre half if we are going to get into the top 6 next season (not sure if Joe is the answer?)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 11:22:45 AM
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Yet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
Didn't a few on here watch the Juventus game on Sunday and say he was near invisible for 89 minutes?
Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2022, 11:24:40 AM
Juventus fans sulking because he's not Pirlo.
We've had similar about Buendia not being Grealish.
Post by: LukeJames on January 25, 2022, 11:45:59 AM
QuoteYet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
Didn't a few on here watch the Juventus game on Sunday and say he was near invisible for 89 minutes?
Yeah but have you seen the state of our match threads over here.
Post by: Ian. on January 25, 2022, 12:05:43 PM
QuoteYet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
Didn't a few on here watch the Juventus game on Sunday and say he was near invisible for 89 minutes?
Yeah but have you seen the state of our match threads over here.
Some comments I’ve seen after our matches regarding Luiz and Buendia do make me wonder if we are not the best candidates for the recruitment of players.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2022, 12:05:50 PM
QuoteYet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
Didn't a few on here watch the Juventus game on Sunday and say he was near invisible for 89 minutes?
You could pick a random match and talk yourself out of any player in world football on that basis.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2022, 12:07:09 PM
Some comments I’ve seen after our matches regarding Luiz and Buendia do make me wonder if we are not the best candidates for the recruitment of players.
Good job we're not then. But then again, the people who are, picked Wesley and Danny Drinkwater, so swings and roundabouts!
Post by: Ian. on January 25, 2022, 12:14:54 PM
Some comments I’ve seen after our matches regarding Luiz and Buendia do make me wonder if we are not the best candidates for the recruitment of players.
Good job we're not then. But then again, the people who are, picked Wesley and Danny Drinkwater, so swings and roundabouts!
I’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2022, 12:18:05 PM
Some comments I’ve seen after our matches regarding Luiz and Buendia do make me wonder if we are not the best candidates for the recruitment of players.
Good job we're not then. But then again, the people who are, picked Wesley and Danny Drinkwater, so swings and roundabouts!
I’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
Is that Harewood's even worse cousin?! ;)
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2022, 12:27:28 PM
Some comments I’ve seen after our matches regarding Luiz and Buendia do make me wonder if we are not the best candidates for the recruitment of players.
Good job we're not then. But then again, the people who are, picked Wesley and Danny Drinkwater, so swings and roundabouts!
I’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
Is that Harewood's even worse cousin?! ;)
His older, musical, Pat Sharpe look-a-like cousin.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 25, 2022, 12:27:47 PM
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I’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
I remember when this happened and thinking "Where do we go from here?" (one for the kids)
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 12:28:19 PM
Suggestion that we're in for Mavididi also along with West Ham and Newcastle
Post by: villabear on January 25, 2022, 12:31:02 PM
QuoteI’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
I remember when this happened and thinking "Where do we go from here?" (one for the kids)
"Aye ya ya ya ya yah, here I go"
Post by: Des Little on January 25, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
QuoteI’ve just remembered when we signed Marlon Haywood.
I remember when this happened and thinking "Where do we go from here?" (one for the kids)
Hit the post...Heyward not Haywood
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 12:32:21 PM
QuoteYet with Villa in attendance at San Siro on Sunday to scout the South American in person, he was again one of Juventus’ better performers in a drab 0-0 draw. Bentancur led his team in open-play passes with 66 at a completion rate of 93 per cent and, as usual, brought hustle off the ball before being substituted with a minute of normal time to go.
Didn't a few on here watch the Juventus game on Sunday and say he was near invisible for 89 minutes?
You could pick a random match and talk yourself out of any player in world football on that basis.
So you're saying that Bent Neilsens Screamer, Dante and Ozzjim talk shit. Gotcha! ;)
Post by: sid1964 on January 25, 2022, 12:43:26 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 25, 2022, 12:53:18 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2022, 12:58:15 PM
Read on another Villa website that Luiz is wanted by ArsenalFor the right money I'd flog him.
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Twitter rumours suggesting that Dan Neil from Sunderland is incoming but nothing legit to back it up yet.
Suggestion that we're in for Mavididi also along with West Ham and Newcastle
Dan Neil was linked a week or two ago. Talk was that our scouts were raving about him. No idea who Mavididi is.
Post by: Smirker on January 25, 2022, 01:16:24 PM
Joe Gomez? I'd be for it if it could happen.
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
Read on another Villa website that Luiz is wanted by ArsenalFor the right money I'd flog him.
A bit harsh but maybe it's what these overpaid prima donnas need
Post by: CT Villan on January 25, 2022, 01:47:08 PM
The latest from Gregg Evans at The Athletic:
Bentancur, a three-time Serie A title winner with Juventus, has occasionally had grief from their supporters, who complain that he can’t dictate the tempo as well as others have for the club over the years. He has been criticised for not being the answer to issues with Juventus’ build-up play, which still misses a player in the mould of Andrea Pirlo or Miralem Pjanic.
Surely we would be looking for a Gattuso not a Pirlo anyway.
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2022, 02:02:06 PM
Read on another Villa website that Luiz is wanted by ArsenalFor the right money I'd flog him.
Luiz gets a lot of stick on here, I thought he was by a long way our best midfielder again last weekend. I know his contract situation is concerning but he is the kind of player we should be building around for me. McGinn was awful last weekend and not much is said.
Moving for this Juve guy might suggest Sanson should be worried going on that article. No game time last weekend (poor decision from Gerrard to bring on Chucky I thought) and still to complete 90mins for us this season.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 02:05:18 PM
"Bentancur in the last two seasons has played very badly most of the time, he's not bad but sometimes very lazy.
McKennie don't like it at all, tactically he's a goat, just runs a lot."
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 02:15:09 PM
A tactical goat!
Billy McKennie RIP
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 25, 2022, 02:30:14 PM
From my Juve supporting mate:
"Bentancur in the last two seasons has played very badly most of the time, he's not bad but sometimes very lazy.
McKennie don't like it at all, tactically he's a goat, just runs a lot."
Goes against the quote from the article 'Bentancur has the ability to protect the back four effectively due to the hard yards he puts in.' I mean to play the amount of games he has done for the best team in Italy over the last few years and already have 45 caps for Uruguay (if I remember correctly) at a pretty young age then he must be decent. If anything he feels much more out of reach than recent signings.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 02:33:09 PM
From my Juve supporting mate:
"Bentancur in the last two seasons has played very badly most of the time, he's not bad but sometimes very lazy.
McKennie don't like it at all, tactically he's a goat, just runs a lot."
Goes against the quote from the article 'Bentancur has the ability to protect the back four effectively due to the hard yards he puts in.' I mean to play the amount of games he has done for the best team in Italy over the last few years and already have 45 caps for Uruguay (if I remember correctly) at a pretty young age then he must be decent. If anything he feels much more out of reach than recent signings.
It does indeed but my mate hasn't missed a Juventus game in decades. Gregg Evans on the other hand..
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 25, 2022, 02:38:01 PM
From my Juve supporting mate:
"Bentancur in the last two seasons has played very badly most of the time, he's not bad but sometimes very lazy.
McKennie don't like it at all, tactically he's a goat, just runs a lot."
Goes against the quote from the article 'Bentancur has the ability to protect the back four effectively due to the hard yards he puts in.' I mean to play the amount of games he has done for the best team in Italy over the last few years and already have 45 caps for Uruguay (if I remember correctly) at a pretty young age then he must be decent. If anything he feels much more out of reach than recent signings.
It does indeed but my mate hasn't missed a Juventus game in decades. Gregg Evans on the other hand..
Ha, yeah, although I know a few people who watch us week in week out and they talk absolute bollocks.
Post by: mrfuse on January 25, 2022, 02:46:31 PM
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Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2022, 03:27:52 PM
The offer from Aston Villa for Rodrigo Bentancur has arrived. He is now negotiating with us.
I like the idea that the offer arrived carried upon a sedan chair with heralds, and the player will discuss details over a large feast in honour of the distinguished guests.
If all is agreed the King of Sardinia will approve the transfer and agree to support our annexation of Staffordshire.
Post by: darren woolley on January 25, 2022, 03:32:37 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 25, 2022, 03:36:51 PM
I would be happy to sign Joe Gomez.
I'd much prefer Villa to sign him darren.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 25, 2022, 03:43:31 PM
The offer from Aston Villa for Rodrigo Bentancur has arrived. He is now negotiating with us.
I like the idea that the offer arrived carried upon a sedan chair with heralds, and the player will discuss details over a large feast in honour of the distinguished guests.
If all is agreed the King of Sardinia will approve the transfer and agree to support our annexation of Staffordshire.
That's what will happen but I can see a stumbling block if Gerrard has to marry one of his daughters.
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 25, 2022, 04:22:17 PM
The offer from Aston Villa for Rodrigo Bentancur has arrived. He is now negotiating with us.
I like the idea that the offer arrived carried upon a sedan chair with heralds, and the player will discuss details over a large feast in honour of the distinguished guests.
If all is agreed the King of Sardinia will approve the transfer and agree to support our annexation of Staffordshire.
I like this..made me chuckle
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 04:51:41 PM
From my Juve supporting mate:
"Bentancur in the last two seasons has played very badly most of the time, he's not bad but sometimes very lazy.
McKennie don't like it at all, tactically he's a goat, just runs a lot."
Goes against the quote from the article 'Bentancur has the ability to protect the back four effectively due to the hard yards he puts in.' I mean to play the amount of games he has done for the best team in Italy over the last few years and already have 45 caps for Uruguay (if I remember correctly) at a pretty young age then he must be decent. If anything he feels much more out of reach than recent signings.
It does indeed but my mate hasn't missed a Juventus game in decades. Gregg Evans on the other hand..
Ha, yeah, although I know a few people who watch us week in week out and they talk absolute bollocks.
Seems my mate is not alone in not rating him. Looks like Gerrard will have his work cut. A few pages here right up to the weekend when he had a good game (as the Villa were there to see him or not).
https://www.juventuz.com/threads/rodrigo-bentancur.42992/page-222
Post by: Monty on January 25, 2022, 04:59:41 PM
Not that your pal is wrong, like I say, and whenever I've watched Bentancur he's seemed fine, not extraordinary, hardly the next Kanté. But Juve at the minute is a bit like that scene in The Thick of It where Tucker describes the mood in No. 10 as everyone sitting around pointing at each other and saying 'You! YOU gave me this disease!'. No wonder they're absolutely flinging money at Fiorentina for Vlahovic just to lighten the mood.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2022, 05:07:29 PM
I have no idea if this bloke is precisely what we are looking for but he’s played at an elite team, a regular contributor at international level and apparently recommended by a bloke Gerrard knows. Plus we have our own scouts on it also.
Does that guarantee success? No. But he may not be as bad as is being made out by Juve fans who seem to be fucked off with just about everything right now. And entitlement does that. See Man U fans as another prime example.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 05:18:08 PM
Without wanting to impugn the calcio smarts of your mate, RCF, but I'm taking everything Juve fans say with a grain of salt at the mo. All of my Juventista friends (and too many are, sadly) seem to be under the impression that all the players are terrible, this is the worst Juve side ever, Allegri's had a tactics lobotomy in the last two years, Dybala's a waste of space, there are anti-Agnelli conspiracies etc etc.
Not that your pal is wrong, like I say, and whenever I've watched Bentancur he's seemed fine, not extraordinary, hardly the next Kanté. But Juve at the minute is a bit like that scene in The Thick of It where Tucker describes the mood in No. 10 as everyone sitting around pointing at each other and saying 'You! YOU gave me this disease!'. No wonder they're absolutely flinging money at Fiorentina for Vlahovic just to lighten the mood.
The only thing I'm interested in is whether he's the defensive midfielder we've been searching for these last 10-15 years. When I read numerous comments about his brain farts, his poor passing, etc I get a little bit nervous. As I've already mentioned, Kamara at Marseille would be my choice even for the same money, in fact I'd table a £25m offer today even though he is available for £10m as it would stop the Plastics signing him.
I get your point about Juventus but they do have some seriously average players they need to dump and my all accounts Bentancur is far from the worst.
Post by: Smirker on January 25, 2022, 05:32:37 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on January 25, 2022, 05:36:51 PM
He is better than what we have.......In my view, he is a top-six player, not a top 4 player
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2022, 05:40:18 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 25, 2022, 05:46:18 PM
One of my friends is from Uruguay and he has described Bentancur as a brilliant player.
There’s always that continuous threat throughout the match of being kicked sneakily and/or with some vigour when up against Uruguayan players. I think our midfield could do with a bit of that.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 25, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2022, 06:11:22 PM
His pass rating over the last year is better than anybody on our books. 93.8% in the game at the weekend for example.
fucking hell. That would make him a solid 25% better than any of our players
Post by: exigo on January 25, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
131 appearances over 4½ years along with 3 Serie A titles and 2 Coppa's to boot by the age of 24 ain't bad.
Not one of Meatloaf's better lyrics in fairness.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 25, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
His pass rating over the last year is better than anybody on our books. 93.8% in the game at the weekend for example.
It’s nothing to be sniffed at but on the weekend it was all 5/10 yard passes receiving the ball from defenders and giving it back, similar to the stats that Man City centre halves have as they pass it around in circles for 10 minutes. Juve weren’t brilliant and by their standards they’re struggling this season but they’ll still have the majority of the ball compared to the opposition and perhaps face less pressing so would it be easier to keep the ball. That’ll be different with Villa.
Not disputing he’s not a good player but the physical DM who’s combative, who likes to get stuck in, the type that most people think we’re missing, well I’m not sure that’s him.
If the scouts think he is then the possession stats will be a real positive as that’s what Nakamba struggles with.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 25, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
I also believe that Kamarra may be the better alternative if we are looking at a purely defensive midfielder. My concern is that Bentancur may be too much like we have already.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 25, 2022, 06:29:40 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 25, 2022, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2022, 06:36:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2022, 06:37:25 PM
The offer from Aston Villa for Rodrigo Bentancur has arrived. He is now negotiating with us.
A telex to Turin. Wonderful.
Post by: Fasth56 on January 25, 2022, 06:53:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 25, 2022, 07:02:43 PM
Perhaps the club know the intentions of Luiz and he may not be sticking around. So for the first time in a long time we are being proactive getting in his replacement and then flogging him to Arsenal or Roma
Given the (Metro) report I saw this week said Arsenal were interested in signing David Luiz from us I wouldn't get too concerned just yet.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 25, 2022, 07:09:45 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 25, 2022, 07:10:34 PM
I think his calendar year average was a touch over 90%, for the season that is down slightly at 87%, but if he is being payed sporadically in a team that is struggling then that might well explain that dip.Yeah - I want a natural DM, like a better version of Nakamba - it doesnt sound from what people are saying he is it, that can pass like Luiz, and shoot like McGinn.
I also believe that Kamarra may be the better alternative if we are looking at a purely defensive midfielder. My concern is that Bentancur may be too much like we have already.
Apparently Arse are after Luiz to solve there DM problems. Its a funny old game
But to be honest - I know nothing.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 25, 2022, 07:33:11 PM
is he a good tackler who can read the game and set up an attack from our half?
Think we definitely need someone in the Kante / Bissouma / Ndidi mould. A non-stop bundle of energy who can break up play and get around the opposition. Plenty who can do that, but we also need someone who is good on the ball, with a good range of passing. The combination of the two is often what separates the top quality ones from the rest, particularly in the Premier League.
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2022, 07:43:31 PM
is he a good tackler who can read the game and set up an attack from our half?
Think we definitely need someone in the Kante / Bissouma / Ndidi mould. A non-stop bundle of energy who can break up play and get around the opposition. Plenty who can do that, but we also need someone who is good on the ball, with a good range of passing. The combination of the two is often what separates the top quality ones from the rest, particularly in the Premier League.
I think Luiz is capable of doing that. But seems to want to play more at 8 than the traditional 6 role. Nakamba does his best but should only be a backup option at best.
Post by: charlatan on January 25, 2022, 07:54:58 PM
One of my friends is from Uruguay and he has described Bentancur as a brilliant player.
There’s always that continuous threat throughout the match of being kicked sneakily and/or with some vigour when up against Uruguayan players. I think our midfield could do with a bit of that.
You could say the same about Burnley players.
Post by: FatSam on January 25, 2022, 07:58:57 PM
His pass rating over the last year is better than anybody on our books. 93.8% in the game at the weekend for example.In the Italian league, in a team that normally dominates.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 25, 2022, 08:49:23 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
Post by: Andy Poole on January 25, 2022, 08:50:46 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2022, 08:57:22 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
Blimey.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 25, 2022, 09:00:41 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
Well they’ve got form for buying their best players.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 09:02:57 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
Well they’ve got form for buying their best players.
Not quite sure that excuses the racist abuse.
Post by: placeforparks on January 25, 2022, 09:07:46 PM
he's going to man city.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 25, 2022, 09:21:35 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
Well they’ve got form for buying their best players.
Not quite sure that excuses the racist abuse.
Not quite sure I said that it did.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2022, 10:26:04 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
I spent a few months in Florence not that long after they sold them Baggio.
Everyone hates Juventus (for good reason) but Fiorentina more than most.
Putting it mildly.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2022, 10:32:15 PM
I would not want a player of this type who escapes prosecution/conviction etc on a technicality!
If he IS actually innocent, then fair enough but I would sooner go for Zakaria anyway.
Jackie G seemed to escape some more serious charges last year when wearing sliders on a footpath in Birmingham...Yorke and McGrath certainly had serious off field issues to mention two previous Villa heroes. Did fans care? Should we?
Innocent until proven guilty it has to be.
More serious charges than sexual assault?
Drink driving?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2022, 11:07:59 PM
Well they've agreed a deal for Vlahovic so I reckon this will happen
I see the Fiorentina fans are taking the potential sale of a player to Juve with their usual good grace.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0125/1275823-juventus-agree-75m-dusan-vlahovic-deal-report/
I spent a few months in Florence not that long after they sold them Baggio.
Everyone hates Juventus (for good reason) but Fiorentina more than most.
Putting it mildly.
My favourite pizzaria in the world, near Florence, was covered wall to wall with Gabriel Batistuta signed shirts.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 26, 2022, 12:22:14 AM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.
(https://i.ibb.co/TwbmQCN/Screenshot-20220124-175930-Samsung-Internet-Beta.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwbmQCN)
I mean just look at all the names who aren't in that special middle section where Bentancur is. You can't be a mug being that good statistically in all 3 areas.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2022, 12:39:02 AM
is he a good tackler who can read the game and set up an attack from our half?
Think we definitely need someone in the Kante / Bissouma / Ndidi mould. A non-stop bundle of energy who can break up play and get around the opposition. Plenty who can do that, but we also need someone who is good on the ball, with a good range of passing. The combination of the two is often what separates the top quality ones from the rest, particularly in the Premier League.
I think Luiz is capable of doing that. But seems to want to play more at 8 than the traditional 6 role. Nakamba does his best but should only be a backup option at best.
Have to disagree about Luiz, as I just feel the defensive and combative attributes aren't there. Would like to see him in our current midfield set up alongside that type of player though as I think that kind of role would really suits him.
Agree with your comments about Marv.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 26, 2022, 08:39:02 AM
Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?
Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?
Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 26, 2022, 09:28:04 AM
is he a good tackler who can read the game and set up an attack from our half?
Think we definitely need someone in the Kante / Bissouma / Ndidi mould. A non-stop bundle of energy who can break up play and get around the opposition. Plenty who can do that, but we also need someone who is good on the ball, with a good range of passing. The combination of the two is often what separates the top quality ones from the rest, particularly in the Premier League.
I think Luiz is capable of doing that. But seems to want to play more at 8 than the traditional 6 role. Nakamba does his best but should only be a backup option at best.
Have to disagree about Luiz, as I just feel the defensive and combative attributes aren't there. Would like to see him in our current midfield set up alongside that type of player though as I think that kind of role would really suits him.
Agree with your comments about Marv.
Yeah a healthy situation for us would be a new strong midfielder with McGinn and either Ramsey or Luiz with Nakamba, Sanson and Chuck as back up.
Post by: stevo_st on January 26, 2022, 09:48:15 AM
Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.
(https://i.ibb.co/TwbmQCN/Screenshot-20220124-175930-Samsung-Internet-Beta.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwbmQCN)
I mean just look at all the names who aren't in that special middle section where Bentancur is. You can't be a mug being that good statistically in all 3 areas.
Where is Kante on that study?
Post by: algy on January 26, 2022, 09:52:43 AM
Nowhere - it's just U23 players.Andy Brassell (European football expert apparently) on Talkshite not exactly singing Bentancur’s praises. Says not really kicked on since been highly rated at 21. Reckons we should stick with what we’ve got. Obviously hasn’t watched us very much.
I don't ordinarily follow the stats sites, but I found this earlier when trying to find out more about Boubacar Kamara, this venn diagram came up with interesting names in the middle......was compiled in May last year admittedly.
(https://i.ibb.co/TwbmQCN/Screenshot-20220124-175930-Samsung-Internet-Beta.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwbmQCN)
I mean just look at all the names who aren't in that special middle section where Bentancur is. You can't be a mug being that good statistically in all 3 areas.
Where is Kante on that study?
Post by: stevo_st on January 26, 2022, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2022, 10:00:52 AM
Questions on DMs in general…
Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?
Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?
Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?
If your opponent is using his body toshield the ball you can't always make a clean tackle.
Closing down is not always to do with closing down the ball.
A pass may not be always on, sometimes you have to make space by moving the ball yourself.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2022, 10:06:11 AM
Where is Kante on that study?
He's 30 years old, the report is for U23s.
Post by: lovejoy on January 26, 2022, 10:10:27 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
Bentancur turned 24 in June.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2022, 10:14:25 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 26, 2022, 10:15:34 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 26, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
Questions on DMs in general…
Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?
Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?
Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?
If your opponent is using his body toshield the ball you can't always make a clean tackle.
Closing down is not always to do with closing down the ball.
A pass may not be always on, sometimes you have to make space by moving the ball yourself.
What if a "strong" player cannot tackle?
What if a player good at closing down has no awareness of space,
What if a good runner cannot pass?
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2022, 10:44:14 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 26, 2022, 10:47:46 AM
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2022, 11:18:47 AM
Post by: algy on January 26, 2022, 11:34:42 AM
First, how much of him not living up to expectations is actually Juventus not living up to expectations? We've seen before that if Villa aren't playing as well, a load of players tend to get lumped in with being rubbish too.
Second, related to that, is that he plays in a position (defensive midfielder) where it doesn't really involve spectacular goals or anything of the sort - it's just doing simple things consistently. Again, how much of that feeds in to the idea that he's not lived up to expectations?
Finally, if he hasn't kicked on - is that something our coaching staff could sort out? Because to my mind that is our transfer philosophy - increasing players value. And although buying up youth players is the obvious way to do that, another would be to pick up underperforming players elsewhere and turn them in to over-performing players.
I'm inclined to think that's actually what we did with Jack Grealish. We played to get the absolute maximum out of the skills he has. At Man City (& England), he hasn't had that focus on the whole side playing to his individual strengths, and as a result ... I mean, he's still a really good player, but he's not the same player as he was at Villa.
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 26, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 26, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
We have to be honest with ourselves and realise that we're not *yet* quite at the point of taking the very best players from elite Champions League teams. So like Coutinho, it's going to be a case of looking for somebody not currently in full favour with their team, but where we think there's the potential to get them back to their best.
Correct. Apart from our history, the Gerrard influence and the high earning potential we don't offer much else for ambitious players with no affinity to us or even the ones who supposedly have.
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2022, 12:09:14 PM
I suppose Juve would rather have gotten rid of Ramsey and/or McKennie but there doesn't seem to be many takers. And it sounds like they need to shift *someone* in order to pay for Vlahović. So perhaps this is another smart, opportunistic move by Villa.
Ramsey keeps rejecting moves.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2022, 12:11:19 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2022, 12:33:59 PM
I suppose Juve would rather have gotten rid of Ramsey and/or McKennie but there doesn't seem to be many takers. And it sounds like they need to shift *someone* in order to pay for Vlahović. So perhaps this is another smart, opportunistic move by Villa.
Ramsey keeps rejecting moves.
He's rumoured to be on £400k a week, so no real surprise there.
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2022, 12:45:35 PM
I suppose Juve would rather have gotten rid of Ramsey and/or McKennie but there doesn't seem to be many takers. And it sounds like they need to shift *someone* in order to pay for Vlahović. So perhaps this is another smart, opportunistic move by Villa.
Ramsey keeps rejecting moves.
He's rumoured to be on £400k a week, so no real surprise there.
And given the moves have been to the likes of Burnley and Newcastle, I'm not sure I blame him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2022, 12:50:28 PM
We have to be honest with ourselves and realise that we're not *yet* quite at the point of taking the very best players from elite Champions League teams. So like Coutinho, it's going to be a case of looking for somebody not currently in full favour with their team, but where we think there's the potential to get them back to their best.
Correct. Apart from our history, the Gerrard influence and the high earning potential we don't offer much else for ambitious players with no affinity to us or even the ones who supposedly have.
Watching a few videos of him, the lad loves a tackle. If he puts in those type of tackles at Villa Park he'll be a fans favourite. It's something we all appreciate, love to see and cheer. It's just the type of confidence boost he'll need.
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2022, 12:56:18 PM
Questions on DMs in general…
Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?
Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?
Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?
If your opponent is using his body toshield the ball you can't always make a clean tackle.
Closing down is not always to do with closing down the ball.
A pass may not be always on, sometimes you have to make space by moving the ball yourself.
What if a "strong" player cannot tackle?
What if a player good at closing down has no awareness of space,
What if a good runner cannot pass?
I see a proper DM as needing to do 2 main jobs.
1. Shield the defence. This can be by being physically dominant, winning tackles, winning headers and generally being all actions or it can be by reading the game, cutting off angles for passes, channeling the opposition into areas we're happy for them to play, etc. Bentancur seems to be a decent balance between both of those but leaning more towards the latter.
2. Lead the 'transition'. This can be by quickly shifting the ball away from the 'hot' area with a short pass to a better placed player, by taking a touch and spraying cross-field passes to start counter-attacks or by driving out with the ball. The best players are good at all 3 and I think Bentancur has it in him to be that. For the price I think he'd be a very good option and he's at an age where we could expect him to improve quite quickly with good coaching.
If he adds goals, etc on to pthen great but just doing those 2 tasks well would improve us immensely.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Questions on DMs in general…
Do you have to be combative if you can time a tackle?
Do you have to be a closing down energetic “terrier” if you can read the game well and make interceptions?
Do you have to be a ball carrier if you can pick a pass?
Suppose there are different types of DMs. I do think that it really depends on the way the team is set up and which league is being looked at. I think slower paced leagues and international football might suit someone who can sit in there and intercept rather than cover a lot of ground, but I think the pace of the Premier League does require a much more energetic player in that role, especially if the player is in a holding role on their own.
I think that our formation requires the outer central midfield players in the three to close down in wide areas so that does mean the holding player does have some more ground to cover and we probably need that extra athleticism in there.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 26, 2022, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2022, 02:01:11 PM
You basically want Kante.
Think Bissouma would be ideal for what we need to be honest, but there are obvious issues with him.
Post by: john e on January 26, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
he might be good for easing congestion in the midfield and bringing some relief up top
Post by: Smithy on January 26, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
You basically want Kante.
Kante was 24 when Leicester signed him. I only mention that as I think DM is one of those positions where players can take a little longer to reach their peak, even if they have all the necessary attributes and skills. Not always, but it's likely they can still improve significantly into their mid-twenties. If the club have scouted him, done their analysis, and believe he can be an asset, then I trust them and look forward to his arrival!
As others have said, we're probably still a season or two from being able to buy the top players at their peak, but Bentancur has plenty of excellent top-level experience and has been a pretty regular starter for the team that dominated Italian football for three years after he arrived there.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2022, 03:21:51 PM
You basically want Kante.
Kante was 24 when Leicester signed him. I only mention that as I think DM is one of those positions where players can take a little longer to reach their peak, even if they have all the necessary attributes and skills. Not always, but it's likely they can still improve significantly into their mid-twenties. If the club have scouted him, done their analysis, and believe he can be an asset, then I trust them and look forward to his arrival!
As others have said, we're probably still a season or two from being able to buy the top players at their peak, but Bentancur has plenty of excellent top-level experience and has been a pretty regular starter for the team that dominated Italian football for three years after he arrived there.
Yep, agree with that.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2022, 03:34:40 PM
You basically want Kante.
Kante was 24 when Leicester signed him. I only mention that as I think DM is one of those positions where players can take a little longer to reach their peak, even if they have all the necessary attributes and skills. Not always, but it's likely they can still improve significantly into their mid-twenties. If the club have scouted him, done their analysis, and believe he can be an asset, then I trust them and look forward to his arrival!
As others have said, we're probably still a season or two from being able to buy the top players at their peak, but Bentancur has plenty of excellent top-level experience and has been a pretty regular starter for the team that dominated Italian football for three years after he arrived there.
Won the league twice with Boca Juniors as well I think (as a 17/18 year-old). Very impressive career so far.
Post by: caster troy on January 26, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
Maybe it's just blind optimism but I just feel like these deals are going to start coming off for us now, and if you'd said to me back in September our January business would be Digne, Coutinho and Bentancur I would have fallen off my chair. Personally I hope it happens, he turns out to be the missing piece in the jigsaw and we win every game till the end of the season.
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 26, 2022, 04:19:59 PM
You basically want Kante.
You could put Kante into almost any team in the Premier League and they would finish top half. Put him in any half-decent team and he would have them challenging for the Champions League.
Post by: Smithy on January 26, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
You basically want Kante.
You could put Kante into almost any team in the Premier League and they would finish top half. Put him in any half-decent team and he would have them challenging for the Champions League.
The highest compliment you can give Kante is that he is so good he made Danny Drinkwater look like a £35m England international.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2022, 05:29:07 PM
The fear is Bentancur would end up being another Jean II Makoun / Carlos Sanchez. Good on the continent but not up to the pace of English football.
The two you mentioned played for smaller teams and didn't win anything. This lad plays regularly for Juventus and has won the league title three times and the Italian cup twice.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 26, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
You basically want Kante.
You could put Kante into almost any team in the Premier League and they would finish top half. Put him in any half-decent team and he would have them challenging for the Champions League.
I’ll repeat Jamie Redknapp’s ne plus ultra co-commentator contribution. When describing the performance it went something like this: “Chelsea’s midfield defence stifles attack when they have Kante on the right, Matic in the middle and Kante on the left”.
Kante’s a one off for me, though in our relegation season Kante led the defensive stats, with Gueye second. Accepting that Kante’s passing stats were better, the overall feeling. Here was good riddance. A balance is necessary.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 26, 2022, 07:53:04 PM
The fear is Bentancur would end up being another Jean II Makoun / Carlos Sanchez. Good on the continent but not up to the pace of English football.
The two you mentioned played for smaller teams and didn't win anything. This lad plays regularly for Juventus and has won the league title three times and the Italian cup twice.
If you’ve watched the YouTube clips to any extent you can see that he’s neither the slow cumbersome Sanchez nor the lightweight Makoun. I know YouTube doesn’t come close to showing you everything but you can certainly see that he’s a unit with a turn of pace, has strong and well timed tackles and he’s calm and intelligent in finding a team mate when he wins the ball.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2022, 07:57:39 PM
Anyway, watching them. Not good.
Post by: Dave P on January 26, 2022, 08:00:02 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2022, 08:04:21 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
God yeah, that arse
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 26, 2022, 08:04:37 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Think he came from Reading and ending up in Scotland at some no mark club.
Mind you I am in Amsterdam on the day lockdown eased, and a few bevvies in so could be wrong.
Bentacour looks like a good signing to me, especially at a reported £20m less than for Bissouma.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 26, 2022, 08:04:45 PM
We signed him from Reading. Bacuna went from us to Reading I think.other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2022, 08:40:51 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
God yeah, that arse
Aaron was/is a Christian, he'd regularly bless himself before games not believing his luck that God via Steve Clarke and Robbie Di Matteo had given him the contract of his dreams.
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2022, 08:58:05 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Think he came from Reading and ending up in Scotland at some no mark club.
Mind you I am in Amsterdam on the day lockdown eased, and a few bevvies in so could be wrong.
Bentacour looks like a good signing to me, especially at a reported £20m less than for Bissouma.
One article I read earlier said we would get Bentacour now and then go back for Bissouma in the summer.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2022, 09:05:40 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Think he came from Reading and ending up in Scotland at some no mark club.
Mind you I am in Amsterdam on the day lockdown eased, and a few bevvies in so could be wrong.
Bentacour looks like a good signing to me, especially at a reported £20m less than for Bissouma.
One article I read earlier said we would get Bentacour now and then go back for Bissouma in the summer.
was that in the Express though ?
Post by: Fred Crump on January 26, 2022, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2022, 09:41:48 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Think he came from Reading and ending up in Scotland at some no mark club.
Mind you I am in Amsterdam on the day lockdown eased, and a few bevvies in so could be wrong.
Bentacour looks like a good signing to me, especially at a reported £20m less than for Bissouma.
One article I read earlier said we would get Bentacour now and then go back for Bissouma in the summer.
was that in the Express though ?
Might have been.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
other ******, what was his name, the waster we sent to Reading? .
Aaron Tshbola?
Think he came from Reading and ending up in Scotland at some no mark club.
Mind you I am in Amsterdam on the day lockdown eased, and a few bevvies in so could be wrong.
Bentacour looks like a good signing to me, especially at a reported £20m less than for Bissouma.
One article I read earlier said we would get Bentacour now and then go back for Bissouma in the summer.
was that in the Express though ?
Might have been.
yes I saw something similar but was a bit dubious about the source
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 26, 2022, 10:49:57 PM
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/QwCeps0MX0uah6cq87S5Tw/Show/Who-is-Rodrigo-Bentancur-The-missing-piece-to-the-Aston-Villa-midfield
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2022, 11:36:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 26, 2022, 11:51:12 PM
Still talk of Kamara too. I do wonder if Gerrard will try and get both, because Kamara can play in the back 4 as well as holding midfield.
There does seem to be talk of us trying to get both and possibly Dougie heading out. Time will tell.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 27, 2022, 10:43:11 AM
Post by: mallo on January 27, 2022, 11:09:52 AM
An analysis of what Bentancur could bring to our midfield.
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/QwCeps0MX0uah6cq87S5Tw/Show/Who-is-Rodrigo-Bentancur-The-missing-piece-to-the-Aston-Villa-midfield
Interesting stuff - Bissouma is the monster of breaking up play. We're light in that department (it shows), but Bentancur would beef it up a little and I'm sure if we gave him that remit and trained him more in tackling he could do a decent job. I do wonder about the speed vs Italy though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2022, 11:10:48 AM
You feel that Sanson is nearer to the exit than Dougie. He's not getting much game time and his reaction to being subbed probably wouldn't have endeared him to Ste VG.
I don’t know. The reaction bit has been explained and Gerrard seemed comfortable. I think Sanson is more in competition with JJ and SJM, than Doug. I don’t want Doug to go, but his contract has about 18 months left? If he’s indicated he won’t extend (no idea if that’s the case) then we probably are open to a sale.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 27, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
You feel that Sanson is nearer to the exit than Dougie. He's not getting much game time and his reaction to being subbed probably wouldn't have endeared him to Ste VG.
I don’t know. The reaction bit has been explained and Gerrard seemed comfortable. I think Sanson is more in competition with JJ and SJM, than Doug. I don’t want Doug to go, but his contract has about 18 months left? If he’s indicated he won’t extend (no idea if that’s the case) then we probably are open to a sale.
Multiple sources saying that we've already knocked back a £30m bid for Luiz from a premier league team and that Arsenal are interested. If we could get £35m plus for Luiz it wouldn't be bad business.
Post by: Grocer on January 27, 2022, 11:41:30 AM
Still talk of Kamara too. I do wonder if Gerrard will try and get both, because Kamara can play in the back 4 as well as holding midfield.
I haven't read the whole thread so am not 100% certain on the type of players Bentancur and Kamara are, but is there a chance that we are looking at the following:
- Bentancur to replace Doug (i.e. if he is not signing a new contract/we have decided he will leave by the summer at the latest)
- Kamara/Bissouma/AN Other as to fill the current defensive midfield gap (competing with Marv)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2022, 11:41:51 AM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 27, 2022, 11:43:27 AM
You feel that Sanson is nearer to the exit than Dougie. He's not getting much game time and his reaction to being subbed probably wouldn't have endeared him to Ste VG.
I don’t know. The reaction bit has been explained and Gerrard seemed comfortable. I think Sanson is more in competition with JJ and SJM, than Doug. I don’t want Doug to go, but his contract has about 18 months left? If he’s indicated he won’t extend (no idea if that’s the case) then we probably are open to a sale.
Multiple sources saying that we've already knocked back a £30m bid for Luiz from a premier league team and that Arsenal are interested. If we could get £35m plus for Luiz it wouldn't be bad business.
I'm a fan of Luiz' and would be sad to see him go. £40m and it starts to make sense but only if we've signed a DM already, which seems like it's going to be tight to do. Like a lot of the team, we're now in a position where upgrades on the current squad are going to be either hard to come by or very expensive.
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 27, 2022, 11:48:03 AM
You feel that Sanson is nearer to the exit than Dougie. He's not getting much game time and his reaction to being subbed probably wouldn't have endeared him to Ste VG.
I don’t know. The reaction bit has been explained and Gerrard seemed comfortable. I think Sanson is more in competition with JJ and SJM, than Doug. I don’t want Doug to go, but his contract has about 18 months left? If he’s indicated he won’t extend (no idea if that’s the case) then we probably are open to a sale.
Multiple sources saying that we've already knocked back a £30m bid for Luiz from a premier league team and that Arsenal are interested. If we could get £35m plus for Luiz it wouldn't be bad business.
I'm a fan of Luiz' and would be sad to see him go. £40m and it starts to make sense but only if we've signed a DM already, which seems like it's going to be tight to do. Like a lot of the team, we're now in a position where upgrades on the current squad are going to be either hard to come by or very expensive.
We're also at a point in our development where we might willingly sell good players, who are reasonably popular with the fans, in order bring in slightly better players to give us the marginal gains we need to move up the table.
We've always lost good players, yes, but it's generally been done reluctantly. We are hopefully at a point in our development as a club where we might see us proactively moving on players we actually like, who do a reasonably good job, simply because we think we can replace them with better. I guess that's a fact of life for clubs looking towards the top end of the table, rather than just surviving. But it doesn't feel very 'Villa' yet.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 27, 2022, 11:52:18 AM
You feel that Sanson is nearer to the exit than Dougie. He's not getting much game time and his reaction to being subbed probably wouldn't have endeared him to Ste VG.
I don’t know. The reaction bit has been explained and Gerrard seemed comfortable. I think Sanson is more in competition with JJ and SJM, than Doug. I don’t want Doug to go, but his contract has about 18 months left? If he’s indicated he won’t extend (no idea if that’s the case) then we probably are open to a sale.
Multiple sources saying that we've already knocked back a £30m bid for Luiz from a premier league team and that Arsenal are interested. If we could get £35m plus for Luiz it wouldn't be bad business.
I'm a fan of Luiz' and would be sad to see him go. £40m and it starts to make sense but only if we've signed a DM already, which seems like it's going to be tight to do. Like a lot of the team, we're now in a position where upgrades on the current squad are going to be either hard to come by or very expensive.
We're also at a point in our development where we might willingly sell good players, who are reasonably popular with the fans, in order bring in slightly better players to give us the marginal gains we need to move up the table.
We've always lost good players, yes, but it's generally been done reluctantly. We are hopefully at a point in our development as a club where we might see us proactively moving on players we actually like, who do a reasonably good job, simply because we think we can replace them with better. I guess that's a fact of life for clubs looking towards the top end of the table, rather than just surviving. But it doesn't feel very 'Villa' yet.
Couldn't agree more. that's where we need to get to. we're probably just about there too in terms of stage of development, we just haven't quite shown a track record of being able to do it yet.
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2022, 11:52:57 AM
What I don't expect to see is us offloading players before getting our man in first, I think those days are gone.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2022, 12:31:20 PM
I wouldn’t want to sell, but if he doesn’t want to sign a new deal I can see why we would.
Gerrard claims we haven't offered him a new deal yet.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2022, 12:47:46 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 27, 2022, 01:26:07 PM
My take on Luiz is that if anyone offers us 40m for him, then we snap their hand off.
100% we should
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2022, 01:34:31 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 27, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
I though I recalled someone on here, maybe VinneChase, posting just after the new management team came in that they thought they had a worldie on their hands in Douggie - if that's the case I doubt they are keen to sell.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 27, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
The Kamara we are being linked to, is it Boubacar (excited) or Glen from Rangers (meh)?
Boubacar.
Post by: olaftab on January 27, 2022, 01:52:59 PM
Richard, I really think being a law professional you should not be advocating this.My take on Luiz is that if anyone offers us 40m for him, then we snap their hand off.
100% we should
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 27, 2022, 01:54:49 PM
Post by: john e on January 27, 2022, 02:03:32 PM
I think he is a class player and one we need to keep hold of if we can
On a more general point players that carry the ball forward and are more positive in the final third and take risks will always lose the ball and surrender possession more often than safe players Who take no risks pass the ball backwards and sidewards
Their stats look good but in reality they create little
So we have McGinn Ramsey Luiz Traoré Bailey Coutinho Sanson Chucky all of them like to move the ball forward which I think is a great thing but they will inevitably lose possession because they are taking more risks
And that’s what I think about Luiz Yeah he does give the ball away more often than say Hourahine did, but I know which one I’d rather have in the team
Post by: olaftab on January 27, 2022, 02:06:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 27, 2022, 02:07:50 PM
Watford and Norwich supposedly interested in Ashley Young with Villa willing to let him go for free now as they won't be renewing his contract in the summer. Makes sense for all involved and frees up 50k a week in wages.This will be a good move for all concerned and I hope he goes to Norwich and help Dean.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 27, 2022, 02:18:59 PM
Hopefully that ends that speculaltion for a player I think has got a very bright future.
Post by: mrfuse on January 27, 2022, 02:25:26 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2022, 02:26:13 PM
John Percy - #avfc are poised to open talks with Douglas Luiz over a new contract, following interest from Premier League clubs in this window. Luiz is valued very highly by Steven Gerrard and Villa, starting the last 9 matches, and a bid has been rejected this month.
Hopefully that ends that speculaltion for a player I think has got a very bright future.
I agree I’d love him to stay.
Post by: LeeB on January 27, 2022, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2022, 02:38:10 PM
Aston Villa don’t intend to offer more than €22m (including bonuses) for Rodrigo Bentancur, with Juventus wanting €30m. A halfway agreement cannot be ruled out. Bentancur, whose wages would be doubled, has not yet said ‘yes’ to joining.
He's reportedly on £75k a week at Juventus. I can't see us offering him £150k until he's shown he can deliver.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2022, 04:29:43 PM
Luiz is only 23 and doing a very good job for a team in transformation. If we sell him it will be another regret adding to our long list of regrets.i agree, I think his best days are yet to come. But if he won’t sign a new contract then we need to sell him in the summer.
Post by: rob_bridge on January 27, 2022, 04:59:03 PM
Luiz is only 23 and doing a very good job for a team in transformation. If we sell him it will be another regret adding to our long list of regrets.i agree, I think his best days are yet to come. But if he won’t sign a new contract then we need to sell him in the summer.
Yes we would in that circumstance
Post by: Londonvilla on January 27, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Luiz is only 23 and doing a very good job for a team in transformation. If we sell him it will be another regret adding to our long list of regrets.i agree, I think his best days are yet to come. But if he won’t sign a new contract then we need to sell him in the summer.
Aston Villa midfielder Douglas Luiz has taken to Instagram to announce his relationship with Aston villa women's player Alisha Lehmann
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10448513/Aston-Villa-midfielder-Douglas-Luiz-womens-player-Alisha-Lehmann-confirm-relationship.html
he's going nowhere
Post by: murgsy on January 27, 2022, 05:08:43 PM
What does D Luiz offer that our other midfielders currently don't? He isn't a DM, box to box or playmaker. I woudl argue McGinn is much more consistent and still getting better....
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 27, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
I am ambivalent about keeping/selling Luiz. I still think we have not seen th best of him because our midfield has not been balanced. But if you said we were adding B Kamara and R Betancur and selling Luiz - I would not be too dissapointed.
What does D Luiz offer that our other midfielders currently don't? He isn't a DM, box to box or playmaker. I woudl argue McGinn is much more consistent and still getting better....
I would have to argue quite strongly about McGinn being consistent, he's all over the gaff sometimes and passing stats are not the best this year. Imo he's the weakest of our midfielders atm
Post by: AV82EC on January 27, 2022, 08:24:14 PM
I am ambivalent about keeping/selling Luiz. I still think we have not seen th best of him because our midfield has not been balanced. But if you said we were adding B Kamara and R Betancur and selling Luiz - I would not be too dissapointed.
What does D Luiz offer that our other midfielders currently don't? He isn't a DM, box to box or playmaker. I woudl argue McGinn is much more consistent and still getting better....
I would have to argue quite strongly about McGinn being consistent, he's all over the gaff sometimes and passing stats are not the best this year. Imo he's the weakest of our midfielders atm
I’d concur with this view. In the Gerard system I think Sanson or Luiz would outperform him in that right hand side 8 role. But the shirt is McGinns to lose.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 27, 2022, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Allan C on January 27, 2022, 09:29:18 PM
Luiz is only 23 and doing a very good job for a team in transformation. If we sell him it will be another regret adding to our long list of regrets.Absolutely 100 % this. I can’t believe the amount of people on here who seem willing to release one of our better players.
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
I’m of the view Bentancur is a smokescreen for something else. But I know nothing just a feeling in me waters.
Hope it's not gout
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2022, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2022, 09:49:02 PM
I am ambivalent about keeping/selling Luiz. I still think we have not seen th best of him because our midfield has not been balanced. But if you said we were adding B Kamara and R Betancur and selling Luiz - I would not be too dissapointed.
What does D Luiz offer that our other midfielders currently don't? He isn't a DM, box to box or playmaker. I woudl argue McGinn is much more consistent and still getting better....
You obviously missed McGinn's effort at Everton. Shocking. I'm struggling to remember his last 8 or 9/10 performance for us. Maybe that Wolves defeat?
He needs to move out of midfield and fight with likes of Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey for a spot further up the pitch. Not working at all for him or us in a 3. If we got that top holding midfielder in maybe we could switch to a 4231.
Sanson and Traore need to impress soon I think or else will be moved on.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 27, 2022, 10:42:46 PM
I’m of the view Bentancur is a smokescreen for something else. But I know nothing just a feeling in me waters.
Hope it's not gout
I’m currently medically signed off from flying for a few weeks with Gallstones. I would sincerely hope that it’s not those too. I wouldn’t recommend them to my worst enemy
Post by: ROBBO on January 27, 2022, 10:47:46 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 28, 2022, 12:02:36 AM
Having done the gallstones / pancreatitis thing I would very much concur Chris - get well soonI’m of the view Bentancur is a smokescreen for something else. But I know nothing just a feeling in me waters.
Hope it's not gout
I’m currently medically signed off from flying for a few weeks with Gallstones. I would sincerely hope that it’s not those too. I wouldn’t recommend them to my worst enemy
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 28, 2022, 03:02:29 AM
I am ambivalent about keeping/selling Luiz. I still think we have not seen th best of him because our midfield has not been balanced. But if you said we were adding B Kamara and R Betancur and selling Luiz - I would not be too dissapointed.
What does D Luiz offer that our other midfielders currently don't? He isn't a DM, box to box or playmaker. I woudl argue McGinn is much more consistent and still getting better....
You obviously missed McGinn's effort at Everton. Shocking. I'm struggling to remember his last 8 or 9/10 performance for us. Maybe that Wolves defeat?
He needs to move out of midfield and fight with likes of Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey for a spot further up the pitch. Not working at all for him or us in a 3. If we got that top holding midfielder in maybe we could switch to a 4231.
Sanson and Traore need to impress soon I think or else will be moved on.
bb is always harsh with his assessments (execept for his romance with Tuanzebe) but McGinn really was very poor against Everton. I also don't think McGinn is playing at his best often enough to be a guaranteed starter. Then again, both Gerrard and Smith, sees it differently so he has something I don't fully appreciate.
Post by: ROBBO on January 28, 2022, 04:21:20 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2022, 04:28:13 AM
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2022, 06:53:36 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 28, 2022, 06:55:59 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 28, 2022, 07:11:50 AM
I’m of the view Bentancur is a smokescreen for something else. But I know nothing just a feeling in me waters.yes, that thought had crossed my mind (particularly after the way the Chambers deal was done).
Post by: sid1964 on January 28, 2022, 07:24:53 AM
With regards to Luiz, his girlfriend WOW!!
Post by: chrisw1 on January 28, 2022, 08:49:16 AM
Thanks.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 28, 2022, 09:33:19 AM
Post by: darren woolley on January 28, 2022, 10:37:40 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 28, 2022, 11:50:27 AM
So if Arsenal didn't bid for Luis who did? :-\ Newcastle?I suspect so
Post by: sickbeggar on January 28, 2022, 11:57:44 AM
So if Arsenal didn't bid for Luis who did? :-\ Newcastle?I suspect so
Well the price of 30m rules out about 2 thirds of the Premiership. Could be Tottingham Hotspurts maybe.
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2022, 12:10:18 PM
That holding midfield role is going to be such an important player for us that I doubt we'll rush it.
Post by: mrfuse on January 28, 2022, 12:10:55 PM
So if Arsenal didn't bid for Luis who did? :-\ Newcastle?I suspect so
Well the price of 30m rules out about 2 thirds of the Premiership. Could be Tottingham Hotspurts maybe.
You must be joking The Spuds would have come in with a take it or leave it £10M.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 28, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
Newcastle 55%
Spurtz 45%
Man U 30%
Chelsea 14%
Liverpool 8%
Citeh 5%
Post by: Clive W on January 28, 2022, 12:26:00 PM
Dunno. They've got Conte now and he's not gonna put up with Levy type behaviour. i'd say the possibilities would be in order of probability based on having the money and needing him
Newcastle 55%
Spurtz 45%
Man U 30%
Chelsea 14%
Liverpool 8%
Citeh 5%
The implication from the DT article was that the 2 bids were from different PL clubs, neither of which was Arsenal - although Arsenal are expected to make a bid
Post by: sickbeggar on January 28, 2022, 12:30:00 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2022, 12:56:36 PM
20 million bid rejected from juve for us to buy bentancur
According to Sky Italia Villa's opening offer was worth around £16.5m, with more than £4m in bonuses but Juve want around £21m up front to be interested. They also say we're not too far apart on a deal. Juve need the money and will have to pay off Boca Juniors with the sell-on clause so not much left in the pot to pay towards their new striker.
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2022, 12:59:58 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 28, 2022, 02:22:18 PM
Basically they want what we're offering in bonuses, paid up front.It's a deal. It's a steal. It's the sale of the fucking century.
Now get it done.
Post by: Dr Butler on January 28, 2022, 02:34:52 PM
Basically they want what we're offering in bonuses, paid up front.It's a deal. It's a steal. It's the sale of the fucking century.
Now get it done.
does it come with the Amp ?
UTv
The Doc
Post by: chrisw1 on January 28, 2022, 02:49:00 PM
It doesn't include the speakers, it doesn't include the amp and it's not supposed to include me getting the hump with your stupid questions.Basically they want what we're offering in bonuses, paid up front.It's a deal. It's a steal. It's the sale of the fucking century.
Now get it done.
does it come with the Amp ?
UTv
The Doc
Post by: Dr Butler on January 28, 2022, 03:02:33 PM
It doesn't include the speakers, it doesn't include the amp and it's not supposed to include me getting the hump with your stupid questions.Basically they want what we're offering in bonuses, paid up front.It's a deal. It's a steal. It's the sale of the fucking century.
Now get it done.
does it come with the Amp ?
UTv
The Doc
:)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2022, 04:10:07 PM
Post by: john e on January 28, 2022, 04:17:09 PM
I’m not convinced by our midfield as a whole so I expect there to be changes over the next couple of windows and it won’t be Ramsey.
It’s the best midfield we’ve had for at least 10 years imo
Post by: King Cropley on January 28, 2022, 04:30:06 PM
So if Arsenal didn't bid for Luis who did? :-\ Newcastle?I suspect so
Well the price of 30m rules out about 2 thirds of the Premiership. Could be Tottingham Hotspurts maybe.
A bit off the wall but one of my Dingles supporting mates thinks it may be Wolves who are the secret bidders for Luiz, as he reckons Neves is agitating for a move to Arsenal this window, but they want the bid on the down low as the Wolves fans will apparently go postal if it gets out ? Sounds a bit far fetched to me, but hey ho ?
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2022, 04:32:23 PM
I’m not convinced by our midfield as a whole so I expect there to be changes over the next couple of windows and it won’t be Ramsey.
It’s the best midfield we’ve had for at least 10 years imo
That's not saying much.
Post by: Smithy on January 28, 2022, 04:42:38 PM
Sounds like we've been talking to Juve for at least a week, aren't far apart in valuations and Spurs enquire as to whether he's available for a loan. What jokers.
I find the fact that Conte wants him in his squad oddly reassuring. He will have seen him up close and personal in Serie A for a few years.
Maybe it's the long history of disastrous Villa-style transfers that always seems to get me worried when we're linked to a player that nobody else seems to want. I guess I have to change that now, given we seem to have been so good at recruiting since we were promoted, but being good at transfers still doesn't feel very 'Villa'...
Post by: IFWaters on January 28, 2022, 04:48:45 PM
Goalies - Martinez, Olsen, Steer
Centrebacks - Mings, Konsa, Hause, Chambers
Leftbacks - Digne, Targett
Rightbacks - Cash, Young (?)
DCM - Bentancur , Marv
Centre Mids - Luiz, McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, Chuk
Attacking Mid / Winger - Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trez ?
Striker - Watkins, Ings
Personally I would keep Young for his experience and flexibility, sell or loan Trez out and get Guilbert back in - good enough for a place in this squad I think. But I'm assuming thats not possible until end of the season. Im not convinced he wants to be here either.
Post by: London Villan on January 28, 2022, 04:53:14 PM
Post by: john e on January 28, 2022, 04:54:19 PM
I’m not convinced by our midfield as a whole so I expect there to be changes over the next couple of windows and it won’t be Ramsey.
It’s the best midfield we’ve had for at least 10 years imo
That's not saying much.
Ha ha, true the bar is not set high
But for me there’s no real weak links In the midfield squad at the moment they all interlink and overlap quite well
I’m not saying there aren’t better midfielders playing for top teams, but I think our midfield is pretty strong at the moment, certainly compared to central defence and centre forwards
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2022, 05:25:00 PM
So if Arsenal didn't bid for Luis who did? :-\ Newcastle?I suspect so
Well the price of 30m rules out about 2 thirds of the Premiership. Could be Tottingham Hotspurts maybe.
A bit off the wall but one of my Dingles supporting mates thinks it may be Wolves who are the secret bidders for Luiz, as he reckons Neves is agitating for a move to Arsenal this window, but they want the bid on the down low as the Wolves fans will apparently go postal if it gets out ? Sounds a bit far fetched to me, but hey ho ?
Is he allowed out at weekends?
Post by: IFWaters on January 28, 2022, 05:40:39 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 28, 2022, 06:12:28 PM
Having done the gallstones / pancreatitis thing I would very much concur Chris - get well soonI’m of the view Bentancur is a smokescreen for something else. But I know nothing just a feeling in me waters.
Hope it's not gout
I’m currently medically signed off from flying for a few weeks with Gallstones. I would sincerely hope that it’s not those too. I wouldn’t recommend them to my worst enemy
Thank you very much! I’m off to the consultant on Monday, but been told that to get flying again, I need it out. So that’s my next few weeks sorted then!
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2022, 06:47:01 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 28, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 28, 2022, 06:52:03 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 28, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2022, 07:20:14 PM
Talk that lyon are interested in Bentancur with Guimaeres going to the geordies. You'd hope that we'd be a more attractive option for him given our potential.unless we're flogging Lyon Dougie Luiz - a merry-go-round
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2022, 08:17:55 PM
Talk that lyon are interested in Bentancur with Guimaeres going to the geordies. You'd hope that we'd be a more attractive option for him given our potential.unless we're flogging Lyon Dougie Luiz - a merry-go-round
Gregg Evans reckons we'll listen to offers for Luiz.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2022, 08:19:32 PM
Wouldn't listen to a word that Sandwell Town fans says
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2022, 08:22:53 PM
Post by: algy on January 29, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
Hopefully it'll go the same way as the Dougie transfer:
Arsenal: Can we buy Dougie for £30m?
Us: Here's a better idea, why don't you give us one of your defenders for free
Arsenal: ok boss
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2022, 10:30:44 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2022, 10:32:52 AM
Arsenal supposedly interested in signing Ollie Watkins.£100mil for the pair and it's a deal.
Hopefully it'll go the same way as the Dougie transfer:
Arsenal: Can we buy Dougie for £30m?
Us: Here's a better idea, why don't you give us one of your defenders for free
Arsenal: ok boss
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2022, 11:32:03 AM
Post by: TonyD on January 29, 2022, 11:42:38 AM
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2022, 11:43:43 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 11:51:15 AM
Likewise, if Spurs offer £40m plus for Doug, then we need to play the game and back our scouts to find better replacements.
Post by: TonyD on January 29, 2022, 12:02:18 PM
Only shit players every get sold. Or they've just spent £75m and think they can replace him with a player for £7m.What did they get for £75m?
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2022, 12:16:12 PM
If Arsenal got close to silly money, £50m say, then I'd drive Ollie there myself, and he's probably one of my favourite players in the last few years. Trouble is he's not consistent in front of goal, to which point we need more clinical if we are going to progress.
Likewise, if Spurs offer £40m plus for Doug, then we need to play the game and back our scouts to find better replacements.
"Silly money" is way further north than £50m for Ollie.
Post by: nigel on January 29, 2022, 12:19:33 PM
If Arsenal got close to silly money, £50m say, then I'd drive Ollie there myself, and he's probably one of my favourite players in the last few years. Trouble is he's not consistent pin front of goal, to which point we need more clinical if we are going to progress.
Likewise, if Spurs offer £40m plus for Doug, then we need to play the game and back our scouts to find better replacements.
Selling Ollie would, in my opinion, weaken us considerably, as we would have to buy a replacement.
We paid £30m so £50m is pretty cheap considering.
Personally, I wouldn’t take any bid less than £75m seriously
Post by: algy on January 29, 2022, 12:24:07 PM
Ollie is our best striker at the moment. There's no way I'd be weakening the first team by selling him. £50m would be very cheap for an England international striker imo. Particularly as he's some way off his peak - which seems to be 28-32 for strikers now.If Arsenal got close to silly money, £50m say, then I'd drive Ollie there myself, and he's probably one of my favourite players in the last few years. Trouble is he's not consistent pin front of goal, to which point we need more clinical if we are going to progress.
Likewise, if Spurs offer £40m plus for Doug, then we need to play the game and back our scouts to find better replacements.
Selling Ollie would, in my opinion, weaken us considerably, as we would have to buy a replacement.
We paid £30m so £50m is pretty cheap considering.
Personally, I wouldn’t take any bid less than £75m seriously
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2022, 12:45:46 PM
Why would they sell Bentancur if he is any good?
Manager preference, wanting to balance the squad differently, a good player but they think better is available, bad judgement. There are all sorts of reasons clubs sell players - doesn’t mean they’re not good.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2022, 01:15:22 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 29, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Why did Man Utd sell us Paul McGrath all those years ago, I mean he was obviously shit.Yes clearly.
The worst piece of business we've ever done.
Players being sold doesn't necessarily follow that they are shit.
Mo Salah springs immediately to my mind.
Chelsea sold him so he was clearly dog do do.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 01:45:39 PM
Post by: algy on January 29, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Some rumours that Spurs are closer to agreeing a deal for Bentancur than we are now. As I said when I first watched his obligatory YouTube highlights, I'm not sure he's what we need at all.Daily Mail reporting we've put in another bid to 'test their resolve', and Spurs' bid has been rejected.
Post by: LukeJames on January 29, 2022, 02:29:14 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 02:51:10 PM
Strange buy for spurs too, who have a plethora of not very exciting number 6/8 midfielders. Hojberg, Winky, some other creature
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2022, 03:18:54 PM
Some rumours that Spurs are closer to agreeing a deal for Bentancur than we are now. As I said when I first watched his obligatory YouTube highlights, I'm not sure he's what we need at all.
I’m with you. Seems strange saying that a player who has played for the biggest clubs in South America and Europe, has numerous league titles to his name and almost 50 international caps would be a bad signing but I’d prefer another option as DM. I’m not convinced that he’s the one to fill the position which we’re looking at.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 03:21:56 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 03:37:20 PM
We do need a holding mid though.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 29, 2022, 03:40:33 PM
Italian media saying we have withdrawn from the bidding and McNulty from BBC saying we have never been seriously in for him.
We do need a holding mid though.
Indeed. Will be a failed January transfer window imo if one doesn't arrive.
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2022, 03:57:30 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 29, 2022, 03:58:43 PM
We're 6th in the form table since Gerrard arrived. Only the usual suspects have taken more points. I'd like a defensive midfielder, think we could use a string puller like Qplves have with Neves, who can also shield and put their foot in. But I'd caution using terms like failure. The world is seldom black or white.
yeah i know. I just think the gap has been there for so long especially when ratboy was missing. Marvelous getting better has helped but its still there imo. Don't get me wrong Digne is a good buy but hardly necessary at this point - could have come in the summer. Phil provides the magic fairy dust, but a quality DM would be the main event for me.
Post by: sid1964 on January 29, 2022, 04:00:06 PM
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2022, 04:00:27 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 29, 2022, 04:20:16 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 29, 2022, 04:26:21 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 29, 2022, 04:29:12 PM
We never regretted losing out on Kevin Drinkell. So I’m okay with this.
Or Peter Davenport. Remember him?
Post by: KevinGage on January 29, 2022, 04:30:37 PM
Some rumours that Spurs are closer to agreeing a deal for Bentancur than we are now. As I said when I first watched his obligatory YouTube highlights, I'm not sure he's what we need at all.
That'll be Spurzzz who are also set to sign Coutinho from under our noses in the summer and Haaland and Mbappe up top.
Despite having difficulty coughing up the dough for a cut price Adama Traore.
Bollocks transfer rumours are what that outfit seem to specialise in. In saying that, Conte will have seen plenty of him in Italy, so not totally out of the question... If Juve agree to sell for about £5 million and the player agrees a pay cut.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2022, 04:34:38 PM
Post by: Scovilla on January 29, 2022, 04:56:01 PM
Post by: sid1964 on January 29, 2022, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: algy on January 29, 2022, 05:54:49 PM
Think we are done for this transfer window - we will wait until the summer to bring players in and move a few outI think there's maybe 1 more transfer left. Just because we've been linked to, and made bids for, 2 defensive midfielders - Bissouma (£25m?) and Bentancur (£20m?). Marv is also out injured, but up to that point looked like he was a critical piece of the Steven Gerrard jigsaw.
Could also see Trez potentially being moved on, although think the summer is more likely now.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 29, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Post by: Broadlee on January 29, 2022, 06:41:28 PM
A close contact, ---- I've heard, -----people close to the club --- they said nothing accurate re us for ages re long shot transfers since the insider was exposed internally and ditched..
as an example of how Villa do business, Danny Ings and Calum... Coutinho was off to London club they said and ... Only went to Villa because of Gerrard ;D ;D ;D jokers
Its just become part of the football circus and they are making money out of it, phone ins, pay to view TV etc .. and they windup us lot. and if their stone cold ITK doesn't happen, they say the player u turned or the club was gazumpted .. its all bollocks and click bait..
Sorry for the rant.
Post by: steamer on January 29, 2022, 06:53:22 PM
Rather deal with the Arse who sell us our best Goalie in decades and give us a youngster who cost them 14 million a couple of years ago for free
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2022, 07:24:08 PM
I can assure you guys Villa were never in for Bentancur, its journalist and agents spin. Listen to the idiots on Sky Sports, they are old paper jockeys that make a story to fill a gap.Yes those 2 Brick lane market traders and the copy cat of bloke down the pub that everyone knows is full of shit on the Sky transfer program.
A close contact, ---- I've heard, -----people close to the club --- they said nothing accurate re us for ages re long shot transfers since the insider was exposed internally and ditched..
as an example of how Villa do business, Danny Ings and Calum... Coutinho was off to London club they said and ... Only went to Villa because of Gerrard ;D ;D ;D jokers
Its just become part of the football circus and they are making money out of it, phone ins, pay to view TV etc .. and they windup us lot. and if their stone cold ITK doesn't happen, they say the player u turned or the club was gazumpted .. its all bollocks and click bait..
Sorry for the rant.
Total fabrication and bollox.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 07:59:17 PM
I think the way we’ve gone about business in this window I’d be very surprised if a defensive midfielder doesn’t come in. All the more minor issues have been addressed, so just this to sort.
Depends on a few things. Firstly, is there a target that is available that is in price range? Secondly, would they come? We are 11th in the league, and realistically not likely to get Europe next season, so selling it is going to be tough. We have shown that we can attract good players now, but this position is much more fundamental to get right. It might mean showing good form till the end of the season, then we can get a target that is undecided now. Secondly - Nakamba may be back in 3-4 games time. Is it worth going over the odds for someone now, or get them cheaper in the summer. Nakamba walks back into that position as it stands, and Villa might be ok with that for a period of time. I would like a holding mid, we need one, but it is a player that could be the difference between 10-7th and 6th-4th next season should we get it right.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2022, 08:20:34 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 08:29:45 PM
Spurs football recruitment bloke Paratici was at Juventus with Bentancur, which will probably make it easier.
Agree. It seems that our interest has never been what's reported, so may well have been agent talk.
Still think Glen Kamara will arrive late in the day.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 29, 2022, 08:31:40 PM
I think the way we’ve gone about business in this window I’d be very surprised if a defensive midfielder doesn’t come in. All the more minor issues have been addressed, so just this to sort.
Depends on a few things. Firstly, is there a target that is available that is in price range? Secondly, would they come? We are 11th in the league, and realistically not likely to get Europe next season, so selling it is going to be tough. We have shown that we can attract good players now, but this position is much more fundamental to get right. It might mean showing good form till the end of the season, then we can get a target that is undecided now. Secondly - Nakamba may be back in 3-4 games time. Is it worth going over the odds for someone now, or get them cheaper in the summer. Nakamba walks back into that position as it stands, and Villa might be ok with that for a period of time. I would like a holding mid, we need one, but it is a player that could be the difference between 10-7th and 6th-4th next season should we get it right.
If Marv is back in a few games, can see us waiting until someone like Bissouma is available for less in the summer.
Especially now that Chambers has signed, and has played CM before. I read somewhere that he was Fulhams player of the year playing CM when on loan, so clearly not awful in that position. Haven't looked to see what division they were playing in that season though.
I definitely think that we really need a player, even a limited one that can properly play that role though. We looked so much better with Nakamba there than Luiz, even though Luiz in many ways is a better player. They don't need to be amazing, an adequate CM will still hugely improve us over playing a number 8 out of position for the rest of the season.
Post by: Mister E on January 29, 2022, 08:58:16 PM
Spurs football recruitment bloke Paratici was at Juventus with Bentancur, which will probably make it easier.like Spurrrrssss need yet another holding MF ....
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 29, 2022, 09:01:24 PM
they probably need a good one though.Spurs football recruitment bloke Paratici was at Juventus with Bentancur, which will probably make it easier.like Spurrrrssss need yet another holding MF ....
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 09:52:39 PM
Post by: Villan82 on January 29, 2022, 09:53:54 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
I'd take Hoijberg
Or Ndombele. Both good players. Just not worked for Ndombele at Spurs for some reason but I think he's a powerful player. Would take Hoijberg as an alternative too.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 10:04:49 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 29, 2022, 10:09:27 PM
I'm a bit disappointed we didn't hijack the Bruno G deal at Newcastle. He's the type they can build a team around if they stay up and really kick on.
Maybe Gerrard didn't want him. That's what counts at the end of the day.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 29, 2022, 10:10:09 PM
I'd take Hoijberg
Or Ndombele. Both good players. Just not worked for Ndombele at Spurs for some reason but I think he's a powerful player. Would take Hoijberg as an alternative too.
Agree.
Would be hilarious if we signed Ndombele on lower salary and he turned out to be brilliant.
Not very Villa though.
Dave Woodhall summed us up very well with the comment on Luiz. Next De Bruyner if he goes, meh if he stays, or words to that effect. Most Villa quote ever.
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2022, 10:51:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 29, 2022, 10:55:15 PM
Based on nothing but a guess, I reckon Bissouma has been all along and still is the target.
Not sure it'll happen, but I'm beginning to think you're right especially with the noises today that Brighton are now willing to sell at 50m.
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2022, 11:05:16 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2022, 11:06:23 PM
In my head at least. Not sure where it’s come from, or going.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2022, 11:16:30 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 29, 2022, 11:32:48 PM
Based on nothing but a guess, I reckon Bissouma has been all along and still is the target.
Not sure it'll happen, but I'm beginning to think you're right especially with the noises today that Brighton are now willing to sell at 50m.
Can someone post a link to the piece by that bloke that reckoned we'd only got £5m to spend this year?
Post by: mike on January 29, 2022, 11:57:53 PM
Italian media saying we have withdrawn from the bidding and McNulty from BBC saying we have never been seriously in for him.
We do need a holding mid though.
Indeed. Will be a failed January transfer window imo if one doesn't arrive.
Coutinho and Digne. Not a complete failure, surely?
Post by: Ian. on January 30, 2022, 12:01:15 AM
Italian media saying we have withdrawn from the bidding and McNulty from BBC saying we have never been seriously in for him.
We do need a holding mid though.
Indeed. Will be a failed January transfer window imo if one doesn't arrive.
Coutinho and Digne. Not a complete failure, surely?
Failed? Really SB?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2022, 12:14:58 AM
Rumours starting to come out that clubs are preparing bids for Phillips from Leeds, with West Ham reportedly being one of them.
We get him, we're top six.
Post by: Ads on January 30, 2022, 12:24:51 AM
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2022, 12:25:40 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 30, 2022, 12:27:10 AM
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2022, 01:31:46 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 30, 2022, 06:09:24 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 30, 2022, 07:07:12 AM
Let the rumours commence.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 30, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2022, 07:28:07 AM
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2022, 07:59:13 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2022, 08:10:07 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 30, 2022, 08:16:08 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 30, 2022, 08:37:37 AM
just a thought.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 09:44:17 AM
Maybe the deal is on for Boubacar Kamara with Sanson going to Marseille...
just a thought.
I had a similar conversation with someone yesterday from these parts that it's a move that could make sense for all parties. At £12m though, I'd just go and buy Kamara.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 09:58:53 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2022, 10:08:51 AM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 30, 2022, 10:10:59 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 10:11:29 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 30, 2022, 10:16:46 AM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Gah! You big tease.
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2022, 10:29:39 AM
It's great that Gerrard seems to want players who will slot straight in as an upgrade on what we currently have. He said something about 'style and steel' recently. We certainly have the style, just the steel to come. Fingers crossed.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 30, 2022, 10:40:08 AM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Gary Gardner is coming “home”’!!
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 30, 2022, 10:51:54 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2022, 11:17:30 AM
If west ham are after Phillips then Rice is off surely?
I take these rumours with a pinch of salt, but I read on one newspaper site that West Ham want to pair Phillips with Rice or have him as a replacement if the latter leaves. The piece said they are preparing a £50m bid and are willing to buy him injured.
Given how this season has gone for Leeds, I do think he might have his head turned and it's where I think Gerrard could really be a key factor in persuading players like him to come to the club.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 30, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Mental? What would that constitute? Declan Rice mental?
'Bellingham mental' would be nice.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 30, 2022, 11:51:09 AM
It appears Spudz have reached agreement for Kulusevski, so doubt Juve would be selling 2 players to them would they?
It's a loan with an option to buy, I think. Anyway, Paratici is the one who bought him at Juve so he clearly rates him and, equally clearly, Paratici will have stronger relationships with the Juve hierarchy than most so not so unlikely Spurs might get two from them.
Post by: Smithy on January 30, 2022, 11:51:33 AM
Brilliant as either would be, we’re just not at that level yet. Would love to be proven wrong, but I think our chance with Phillips went the year we came up and they didn’t.
Post by: andyh on January 30, 2022, 11:56:48 AM
If Rice and or Phillips are genuinely available at around £50m, i would imagine pretty much every club with top 4 aspirations will be in for them.Precisely.
Brilliant as either would be, we’re just not at that level yet. Would love to be proven wrong, but I think our chance with Phillips went the year we came up and they didn’t.
The same applies to Bissouma.
If there is a chance to get him then I’m sure that chance will be out of our reach in the summer.
Post by: The Edge on January 30, 2022, 12:03:14 PM
That would be amazing. Great player. With the added bonus of watching the meltdown at the sty. They would be the first club in history to "unretire" a shirt.Mental? What would that constitute? Declan Rice mental?
'Bellingham mental' would be nice.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 30, 2022, 12:08:09 PM
I like Ndombele, think he's been poorly used by Spurs and is not Contes type of player, but he's very talented. If we did lose Doug, he'd be good to bring in, but we need a 6 and he's not that.Oh ok , thanks, I wasn’t sure if he was a DM or not. Agree, we’ve got enough attacking talent in MF already.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 30, 2022, 12:17:19 PM
That would be amazing. Great player. With the added bonus of watching the meltdown at the sty. They would be the first club in history to "unretire" a shirt.
Well if there is something "mental" due to happen it's going to have to be soon as the window is closing soon.
I'm excited by what we've done already anyway!
Mental? What would that constitute? Declan Rice mental?
'Bellingham mental' would be nice.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 30, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
That would be amazing. Great player. With the added bonus of watching the meltdown at the sty. They would be the first club in history to "unretire" a shirt.
Well if there is something "mental" due to happen it's going to have to be soon as the window is closing soon.
I'm excited by what we've done already anyway!
Mental? What would that constitute? Declan Rice mental?
'Bellingham mental' would be nice.
ha ha but still not a defensive midfielder is he ?
Post by: algy on January 30, 2022, 12:57:34 PM
I want, no demand, Bellingham-level mental now.That would be amazing. Great player. With the added bonus of watching the meltdown at the sty. They would be the first club in history to "unretire" a shirt.Mental? What would that constitute? Declan Rice mental?
'Bellingham mental' would be nice.
With the press conference after where they ask him about having played for Blues and he just answers “Who?”
Post by: bilsim on January 30, 2022, 01:11:17 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 01:12:22 PM
Bendtacur to Spurs confirmed... Must say that I was never overly keen on signing him
Nor me. I hope he is as dog awful as the Juve fans think he is now.
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2022, 01:46:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2022, 02:01:44 PM
Bendtacur to Spurs confirmed... Must say that I was never overly keen on signing him
Nor me. I hope he is as dog awful as the Juve fans think he is now.
Same here, he does seem like a very 'Spursy' signing.
Post by: sid1964 on January 30, 2022, 02:04:25 PM
£200k a week, it is a big NO from me
Post by: Big Ming on January 30, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2022, 02:27:16 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 30, 2022, 02:29:57 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2022, 02:33:08 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
I’ve wanted a DM for 4 windows now so I’m very intrigued 🙏🏻
Post by: CT Villan on January 30, 2022, 02:46:57 PM
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
...we've finally landed Benni McCarthy haven't we !
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 30, 2022, 02:57:35 PM
Post by: Shrek on January 30, 2022, 03:13:53 PM
But I think that will be our window done now, still been brilliant.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2022, 03:41:28 PM
Post by: steamer on January 30, 2022, 03:46:40 PM
Post by: john e on January 30, 2022, 03:54:10 PM
This is the dangerous time of the year when ITK’s and emoji’s pop out of nowhere. Not saying some don’t have a link here or there but all of a sudden people with zero previous credibility jump out of the woodwork. Let’s all hope there is a magical signing tomorrow; and given Villa’s recent surprises it wouldn’t be altogether a surprise anymore if we did. But the last people to know are sometimes the first ones to claim they do.
Well you can throw a wet blanket on it all you like
But I’m still believing for big massive top top surprise surprise signings hitting me right between the eyes
Post by: steamer on January 30, 2022, 04:00:40 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 30, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2022, 04:02:07 PM
1 more midfielder with a bit of devil about them who can help us wrestle back control in games but who can also be involved in our attacking play is the 'final piece of the jigsaw' for now and would make us a squad that is good enough to challenge for the top 6 (but maybe not this season from where we are).
I don't think we'll get players much better than we now have until we are either in europe or looking a certainty to be so I suspect, once the DM is in, the summer will be about making Coutinho permanent (or replacing him) making Olsen permanent (or replacing him) and tidying the squad by moving unwanted players out and giving new deals to who we want to keep. Of course if a key player leaves they'll get replaced as well but I don't think anyone will go without our consent this summer, I just can't see anyone 'doing a jack' a few months before the world cup.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2022, 04:05:24 PM
Too right. No point in being in to football if you don’t have blind optimism that your club is going to do something incredible. It’s also no fun if you don’t balance that out by unending pessimism that the everything is also going to go to shit. Schrodingers football supporter innit.This is the dangerous time of the year when ITK’s and emoji’s pop out of nowhere. Not saying some don’t have a link here or there but all of a sudden people with zero previous credibility jump out of the woodwork. Let’s all hope there is a magical signing tomorrow; and given Villa’s recent surprises it wouldn’t be altogether a surprise anymore if we did. But the last people to know are sometimes the first ones to claim they do.
Well you can throw a wet blanket on it all you like
But I’m still believing for big massive top top surprise surprise signings hitting me right between the eyes
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 04:29:26 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2022, 04:30:48 PM
What would you take for Targett? Considering they have paid £25m for Wood, and £13m for Dan Burn, I would be asking near on £30m. And then go get Doucoure or Kamara.
I'd tell them to fuck off, then go and get Doucoure or Kamara.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2022, 04:36:37 PM
This is the correct answer.What would you take for Targett? Considering they have paid £25m for Wood, and £13m for Dan Burn, I would be asking near on £30m. And then go get Doucoure or Kamara.
I'd tell them to fuck off, then go and get Doucoure or Kamara.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2022, 04:36:58 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 04:39:28 PM
We won't be buying anyone else. It wouldn't be January if we weren't let down on the 31st.
It would be very typical Villa to get to almost a perfect window, and then not be arsed to finish it off.
Post by: Villan82 on January 30, 2022, 05:10:53 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 30, 2022, 05:15:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2022, 05:17:20 PM
Post by: Alex77 on January 30, 2022, 05:19:35 PM
This is the dangerous time of the year when ITK’s and emoji’s pop out of nowhere. Not saying some don’t have a link here or there but all of a sudden people with zero previous credibility jump out of the woodwork. Let’s all hope there is a magical signing tomorrow; and given Villa’s recent surprises it wouldn’t be altogether a surprise anymore if we did. But the last people to know are sometimes the first ones to claim they do.
I do actually have solid itk for several years now, unfortunately it's for Everton and I really couldn't give a shit.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 30, 2022, 05:40:06 PM
Not sure about that. We definitely needed another attacking mid and more quality at left back.
A ten was definitely needed given Gerrard’s preferred formation. Attacking fullback complement the system too.
I reckon we can get away with three 8s for the remainder of the season, especially as it is a position where we have some strength in depth with Ramsey’s progress so can rotate as necessary to keep them fresh.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2022, 06:13:21 PM
Rumours starting to come out that clubs are preparing bids for Phillips from Leeds, with West Ham reportedly being one of them.
Phillips to have falled out with Bielsa earlier in the season. Selling him mid season would be a big gamble though.
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2022, 06:16:56 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
I’ve wanted a DM for 4 windows now so I’m very intrigued 🙏🏻
Andrea Pirlo incoming.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2022, 06:21:02 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
I’ve wanted a DM for 4 windows now so I’m very intrigued 🙏🏻
Andrea Pirlo incoming.
He's on loan at Grimsby
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2022, 06:25:09 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2022, 06:30:58 PM
Phillips at Leeds is a quality player. Just what we'd need - can't see it happening.
We should have bought him when we had the chance. An additional £5m would have done the trick. I guess now I'll have to settle for Bissouma.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 30, 2022, 06:39:11 PM
That Davis kid for forest looks good with two goals in 7 days
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2022, 07:12:04 PM
Just getting on a plane to Cairo, hopefully we will have an exciting signing by the time I arrive. If not though then I still think we have had a good January.
didn't fancy a nightboat
mental signing is probably Erling Haaland
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2022, 07:42:45 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
Aside from Bissouma which wouldn't really be a OMG signing seeing as we've already apparently bid for him in the window, I wonder if we'd have a hope of getting Youri Tielemans.
Heavily linked with Yanited and Liverpool over the last few years. But I wonder how much of that is his agent just trying to get him a better deal.
Axel Witsel is out of contract at Dortmund this summer, and would tick the DM box and then some. 32 now, though. Not sure he has the legs for the Premier League.
I saw a really bizarre link earlier in the window with both Newcastle and Everton supposedly interested in Thomas Muller. Newcastle with PIF backing in the summer (if they stay up) maybe. Everton in full-on Lerner mode, doubtful. Naturally any self respecting Bayern legend will want to spend at least a season or three at Alan McInally's old club in B6. Logical.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2022, 07:44:59 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2022, 07:45:00 PM
That Davis kid for forest looks good with two goals in 7 days
Quality through ball late on too. Sounds like Forest made a big mistake starting him on the bench.
Post by: caster troy on January 30, 2022, 08:03:38 PM
Maybe a striker e.g. Suarez, if we've got someone coming in for Ings/Watkins.
Truly mental would be 'Return of the Rat.' I really hope it isn't that, we've moved on.
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
That Davis kid for forest looks good with two goals in 7 days
Quality through ball late on too. Sounds like Forest made a big mistake starting him on the bench.
He'd been ill and only got cleared for the bench this morning apparently. They did miss him massively though, not often a loanee becomes so important to a team so quickly. If he carries on as he is I suspect we'll be getting bids from the bottom half of the premier league in the summer, the last few games have been him showing he miht be the player that a lot of fans hoped might be in there if he stayed fit and got a run of games. I can't help but wonder where he'd be now if we'd loaned him out like this 2 1/2 years ago.
Post by: Flin5tone on January 30, 2022, 09:25:38 PM
Coutinho was obviously a Big Name LOAN signing for the Football Club and Digne looks a good buy. It was great to get a new Shot Stopper for the Bench, something I've called for since August and got some light abuse for doing so. Steven obviously thought the same and has addressed my worries.
The one worrying thing which I know many are concerned about is a Defensive Midfielder. This has yet to be addressed with time running out. The Juventus link had me a little excited but sounded like we were penny pinching. Let's hope we can bring someone in for that Position in the next 24 Hours
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 30, 2022, 09:41:42 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 30, 2022, 09:42:46 PM
Just had a very random text that had the looky eyes, mind blown and looky eyes again emote from my mate. I get nothing out of him anymore since they shut up the leakers last summer but if he's sending that then we have a mental transfer in the pipeline.
Heard similar (in regards to something up our sleeve)
No idea who or if it happens but we’re certainly not finished trying
I'm really excited because he didn't think coutinho was a big move so I have some really superstars running around in my head. Fingers crossed
I’ve wanted a DM for 4 windows now so I’m very intrigued 🙏🏻
It’s Borja Baston isn’t it?
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2022, 09:52:54 PM
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2022, 09:57:30 PM
This is the dangerous time of the year when ITK’s and emoji’s pop out of nowhere. Not saying some don’t have a link here or there but all of a sudden people with zero previous credibility jump out of the woodwork. Let’s all hope there is a magical signing tomorrow; and given Villa’s recent surprises it wouldn’t be altogether a surprise anymore if we did. But the last people to know are sometimes the first ones to claim they do.
Anyone with genuine ITK information that posted it on a public forum would very quickly lose that privilege.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2022, 10:34:32 PM
I'd be surprised if we aren't working to get another 1 in. Gerrard has addressed 3 of the 4 major areas of concern (cover at CB with Tuanzebe leaving, a better attacking option on the left and fitness issues leaving us short in attacking midfield/wing positions).
1 more midfielder with a bit of devil about them who can help us wrestle back control in games but who can also be involved in our attacking play is the 'final piece of the jigsaw' for now and would make us a squad that is good enough to challenge for the top 6 (but maybe not this season from where we are).
I don't think we'll get players much better than we now have until we are either in europe or looking a certainty to be so I suspect, once the DM is in, the summer will be about making Coutinho permanent (or replacing him) making Olsen permanent (or replacing him) and tidying the squad by moving unwanted players out and giving new deals to who we want to keep. Of course if a key player leaves they'll get replaced as well but I don't think anyone will go without our consent this summer, I just can't see anyone 'doing a jack' a few months before the world cup.
I agree Paul. Get that defensive midfielder in and the squad looks strong for a good end to the season and beyond.
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2022, 11:00:43 PM
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2022, 11:01:53 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2022, 11:06:14 PM
Archer is on loan at PNE.
I didn't make my point too well Leeg. I meant to say that Archer seems to be a part of the squad and was doing his time on the bench but has also gone out on loan. If Targett AND Trezeguet go too, that's three outs, and I hope we balance that up with an in.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2022, 07:01:48 AM
Post by: algy on January 31, 2022, 07:12:34 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2022, 08:02:00 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2022, 08:19:37 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2022, 08:53:44 AM
Happy with the business we've done so far, but it will be very frustrating if we end another window without a DM. Most of us thought we needed one two years ago. Now we have Nakamba injured and it looks like another window will probably slip by. If Luiz get's injured it will hugely derail our season, I guess Sanson would be next in line, I can't believe we'd try to use Chambers there even in desperation.
Post by: Villan82 on January 31, 2022, 09:02:10 AM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 31, 2022, 09:09:26 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 09:13:35 AM
Agree. Strategically, we must not help Newcastle. Or it will be 2009 Man City all over again.Their fans would be unbearable if that happened. At least with Man City there was no inbuilt arrogance they knew their place. A lot of the Newcastle fans I've met already think the universe revolves around them.
Post by: Villan82 on January 31, 2022, 09:14:52 AM
Agree. Strategically, we must not help Newcastle. Or it will be 2009 Man City all over again.Their fans would be unbearable if that happened. At least with Man City there was no inbuilt arrogance they knew their place. Most Newcastle fans I've met already think the universe revolves around them.
Couldn't agree more. Even if we were skint, I wouldn't be selling to them at this time. Would be a huge advantage to us if they went down
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2022, 09:22:05 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 09:26:38 AM
I edited "unbeatable" to "unbearable" but you were too quick!Agree. Strategically, we must not help Newcastle. Or it will be 2009 Man City all over again.Their fans would be unbeatable if that happened. At least with Man City there was no inbuilt arrogance they knew their place. Most Newcastle fans I've met already think the universe revolves around them.
Couldn't agree more. Even if we were skint, I wouldn't be selling to them at this time. Would be a huge advantage to us if they went down
Post by: Villan82 on January 31, 2022, 09:27:36 AM
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 09:52:33 AM
Edited it there, hadn't noticed your typo!Thanks. I wouldn't want them to think I said they were unbeatable
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2022, 10:02:20 AM
My ex was a Macken, they were similar to Brummies in my opinion. Very modest, proud of their City for all it's good and bad but quiet in their opinions of it. Geordies were the opposite, the city version of the midget with tiny hands boasting about his dick being the size of three of his hands. I hate them. I wouldn't loan them a pair of my y fronts from the morning after a night on the beer and curry.
Post by: Villan82 on January 31, 2022, 10:03:47 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 10:07:36 AM
Newcastle are the original sit at home watching sky sports news and wanking relentlessly to transfer rumours type fan. They love it, it's what makes them tick, every nonsensical rumour fuels their nonsensical opinion of their standing. Each and every one of them will be at home, with the volume cranked right up, listening to some bullshitter in a cheap suit spouting off about a source who told him the earth shattering double deal to bring in Foden and Grealish on loan until June isn't quite dead yet and to WATCH THIS SPACE, PREFERABLY ALL DAY, WITHOUT MOVING.
My ex was a Macken, they were similar to Brummies in my opinion. Very modest, proud of their City for all it's good and bad but quiet in their opinions of it. Geordies were the opposite, the city version of the midget with tiny hands boasting about his dick being the size of three of his hands. I hate them. I wouldn't loan them a pair of my y fronts from the morning after a night on the beer and curry.
Fair points delivered eloquently.
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2022, 10:10:52 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
Newcastle have supposedly made a £25 million offer for Coady from Wolves
They'd probably be better off signing Jorge Mendes from them instead.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2022, 10:19:01 AM
Newcastle are the original sit at home watching sky sports news and wanking relentlessly to transfer rumours type fan. They love it, it's what makes them tick, every nonsensical rumour fuels their nonsensical opinion of their standing. Each and every one of them will be at home, with the volume cranked right up, listening to some bullshitter in a cheap suit spouting off about a source who told him the earth shattering double deal to bring in Foden and Grealish on loan until June isn't quite dead yet and to WATCH THIS SPACE, PREFERABLY ALL DAY, WITHOUT MOVING.
My ex was a Macken, they were similar to Brummies in my opinion. Very modest, proud of their City for all it's good and bad but quiet in their opinions of it. Geordies were the opposite, the city version of the midget with tiny hands boasting about his dick being the size of three of his hands. I hate them. I wouldn't loan them a pair of my y fronts from the morning after a night on the beer and curry.
Fair points delivered eloquently.
I'd just add that there will be a significant number topless at St James' Park waiting to be interviewed on aforementioned SSN about the next Geordie saviour.
Post by: algy on January 31, 2022, 10:20:10 AM
Newcastle are still going to have to remove the stench of decay and losing before they bed these players in. Bruno is a risk as the fitness of this league will catch him out as Will the physicality.If I were a Newcastle supporter, I'd be underwhelmed with their business.
Trippier - fair enough, good signing IMO
Wood - excellent signing for a Championship club ...
Guimaraes - yeah, absolutely. He's a good player, but also the exact sort of player which you'd have to account for them needing 6-12 months to bed in. Which is time they don't have.
Matt Targett would be a decent signing for them IMO, which is why I'd be very cautious about letting him go there. Though it depends on our situation. I'd let him go if we ended up in a situation like: we buy Hickey off Bologna, and Newcastle pay a transfer fee that'd cover what we paid for Targett, plus Hickey's transfer fee too.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
Blood on the Tyne.
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 10:26:37 AM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 31, 2022, 10:39:44 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 10:41:25 AM
*drums fingers on a table*
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2022, 10:48:05 AM
Summer is too late for this seasonand will have plenty of other clubs by then.
*drums fingers on a table*
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2022, 10:52:35 AM
Percy reporting that we're back in for Bissouma (although it could be a summer deal). Don't have a sub to the telegraph so can't verify what it says, only judging by the tweet. https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1488097575098097665
Me either, when you click the link, before it's fully loaded hit 'esc' and it will show the page.
Aston Villa have reignited their interest in Brighton's Yves Bissouma, with the key decision today whether they move in the final hours of the window or wait until the summer.
Villa are considering a move for Bissouma after negotiations to sign Juventus midfielder Rodrigo Bentancur stalled.
Bissouma, 25, is back from international duty with Mali at the Africa Cup of Nations after their round of 16 elimination.
Bentancur was a target for Steven Gerrard earlier this month, though it is understood any deal for the Uruguayan was always considered a long shot due to the complexities.
Villa have already seen a £25m bid rejected for Bissouma in this window and remain interested in a deal, either for this month or in the summer.
Gerrard has signed Philippe Coutinho, Lucas Digne, Calum Chambers and Robin Olsen and Villa regard the window as a success even if nothing materialises with Bissouma.
Matt Targett has joined Newcastle on loan, while goalkeeper Jed Steer is a target for Championship side Luton Town.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 31, 2022, 10:57:21 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 31, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
So, done then?
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2022, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2022, 10:59:35 AM
Summer is too late for this seasonand will have plenty of other clubs by then.
*drums fingers on a table*
Which is why it’s puzzling why he would join us even if his team accept an offer. When he will be able to pick and choose in the summer (his agent will no doubt tell him which teams will be in for him). I have everything crossed for this but i think it’s highly unlikely.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 11:09:20 AM
Please, please don't fuck about with Bissouma.
Exactly. Today would be the day to sign him with every other interested club sleeping and thinking they can get him cheap in the summer. Just pay Brighton what we think he's worth and get it done.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 31, 2022, 11:10:29 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 11:11:38 AM
Newcastle are the original sit at home watching sky sports news and wanking relentlessly to transfer rumours type fan. They love it, it's what makes them tick, every nonsensical rumour fuels their nonsensical opinion of their standing. Each and every one of them will be at home, with the volume cranked right up, listening to some bullshitter in a cheap suit spouting off about a source who told him the earth shattering double deal to bring in Foden and Grealish on loan until June isn't quite dead yet and to WATCH THIS SPACE, PREFERABLY ALL DAY, WITHOUT MOVING.
My ex was a Macken, they were similar to Brummies in my opinion. Very modest, proud of their City for all it's good and bad but quiet in their opinions of it. Geordies were the opposite, the city version of the midget with tiny hands boasting about his dick being the size of three of his hands. I hate them. I wouldn't loan them a pair of my y fronts from the morning after a night on the beer and curry.
Fair points delivered eloquently.
Slightly heavy on the willy references though.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 11:15:20 AM
"Matt Targett has joined Newcastle on loan".
So, done then?
Sounds like it and a great bit of business by Newcastle if true. They obviously have no intention of buying him but to shore up their defence between now and the end of the season is exactly what Targett can do.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2022, 11:18:25 AM
Bissouma will go to a top 4 club in the summer. We want him that badly, has to be today, but it's a huge gamble for a man still under arrest.
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2022, 11:20:03 AM
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2022, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: algy on January 31, 2022, 11:26:59 AM
Percy reporting that we're back in for Bissouma (although it could be a summer deal). Don't have a sub to the telegraph so can't verify what it says, only judging by the tweet. https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1488097575098097665
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UPDATE: Bissouma back on Villa radar - Sam Wallace and John Percy
Aston Villa have reignited their interest in Brighton's Yves Bissouma, with the key decision today whether they move in the final hours of the window or wait until the summer.
Villa are considering a move for Bissouma after negotiations to sign Juventus midfielder Rodrigo Bentancur stalled.
Bissouma, 25, is back from international duty with Mali at the Africa Cup of Nations after their round of 16 elimination.
Bentancur was a target for Steven Gerrard earlier this month, though it is understood any deal for the Uruguayan was always considered a long shot due to the complexities.
Villa have already seen a £25m bid rejected for Bissouma in this window and remain interested in a deal, either for this month or in the summer.
Gerrard has signed Philippe Coutinho, Lucas Digne, Calum Chambers and Robin Olsen and Villa regard the window as a success even if nothing materialises with Bissouma.
Matt Targett has joined Newcastle on loan, while goalkeeper Jed Steer is a target for Championship side Luton Town.
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Remember us buying Curtis Davies on loan for the first year, because it suited Albion's accounts
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 11:28:48 AM
I feel a little uncomfortable with us chasing Bissouma in light of events at the weekend. Don't get me wrong, I believe in innocent until proven guilty but he does have a police investigation hanging over him, no?
Aye.. Same here.. Risky imo.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2022, 11:30:38 AM
Yes me too, if we are, you have to assume that we have done all our homework properly, otherwise this is wrong morally and commericallyI feel a little uncomfortable with us chasing Bissouma in light of events at the weekend. Don't get me wrong, I believe in innocent until proven guilty but he does have a police investigation hanging over him, no?
Aye.. Same here.. Risky imo.
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2022, 11:31:42 AM
I feel a little uncomfortable with us chasing Bissouma in light of events at the weekend. Don't get me wrong, I believe in innocent until proven guilty but he does have a police investigation hanging over him, no?100%
Post by: algy on January 31, 2022, 11:33:53 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 31, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
I'm astounded Villa are letting it happen to be fair.
Bissouma will go to a top 4 club in the summer. We want him that badly, has to be today, but it's a huge gamble for a man still under arrest.
Are we letting it happen? There will be financial guard rails that we need to observe, the player and his agent let alone FFP. Bissouma will want all of what he feels he is worth to come to a mid table PL team instead of waiting it out until the summer. I would love to see it happen. But he is very much in the drivers seat here along with his club who do not have to sell. So it’s entirely possible the package to sign him is somewhere near £100m. That’s a massive commitment as much as it “may” mean qualification for the Europa League.
Post by: placeforparks on January 31, 2022, 12:16:14 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 12:21:32 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 12:23:57 PM
Post by: rougegorge on January 31, 2022, 12:33:37 PM
Letting Targett go to them on loan would be ridiculous, he is good cover and a good lad, if they want him then they should buy him and pay a premium.I agree; I don't feel comfortable helping their owners to potentially stay in the Premier League. If they were to stay up they would probably not sign him.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 12:37:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 12:40:46 PM
That Weghorst looks a good signing by Burnley. 12m for a guy who's scored 1 in 2 in Germany. Worth a punt.
6'6 and the cost of half a Chris Wood, which is about 3'3, so good value.
Post by: murgsy on January 31, 2022, 12:50:35 PM
Post by: usav on January 31, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
According to Fabrizio Romano, Bentancour signed at Spurs. I hope he turns out to be as crap as Rashica (remember the saga?)...
It's Spurs. One way or another, it won't work out.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 01:18:36 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 31, 2022, 01:18:54 PM
That Weghorst looks a good signing by Burnley. 12m for a guy who's scored 1 in 2 in Germany. Worth a punt.
Supposedly he ended up at Burnley because they don't care about his vaccination status (he is not, obviously). He couldn't really stay in the Bundesliga, it seems, given their rules and how complicated it'd get with him in a match-day squad.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 01:21:37 PM
That Weghorst looks a good signing by Burnley. 12m for a guy who's scored 1 in 2 in Germany. Worth a punt.
Supposedly he ended up at Burnley because they don't care about his vaccination status (he is not, obviously). He couldn't really stay in the Bundesliga, it seems, given their rules and how complicated it'd get with him in a match-day squad.
Really? Seems an odd player to end up at Burnley otherwise for me given his record so it makes you wonder....
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 31, 2022, 01:32:02 PM
That Weghorst looks a good signing by Burnley. 12m for a guy who's scored 1 in 2 in Germany. Worth a punt.
Supposedly he ended up at Burnley because they don't care about his vaccination status (he is not, obviously). He couldn't really stay in the Bundesliga, it seems, given their rules and how complicated it'd get with him in a match-day squad.
Really? Seems an odd player to end up at Burnley otherwise for me given his record so it makes you wonder....
According to Bild, that's the reason bigger clubs did not pursue and why Wolfsburg had to get rid.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 31, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
That Weghorst looks a good signing by Burnley. 12m for a guy who's scored 1 in 2 in Germany. Worth a punt.
I was surprised by this one, he looks like an actual footballer so he'll really be the odd one out with those cloggers.
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2022, 01:38:28 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 31, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The footballing equivalent of the supermarket trolley dash - up and down the discount aisles.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2022, 01:47:46 PM
So, unless something dramatic happens, Villa still haven't addressed this DM problem. I really thought with Nakamba's injury a DM was a cert for this window?Amazing isn't it? That's 3 windows where I've thought our most pressing need was a DM. At least in the other two we had Nakamba to fall back on.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 01:49:26 PM
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2022, 01:53:00 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2022, 02:03:39 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2022, 02:08:31 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2022, 02:09:33 PM
Or maybe the right player continues to not be available at the right value.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 02:11:39 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 31, 2022, 02:12:05 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2022, 02:13:44 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2022, 02:14:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 02:14:51 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 31, 2022, 02:15:06 PM
It’s a bit of a stalemate. We clearly have targets at DM who we want to elevate us. But we don’t seem to want to pay the money it would take to get them.
Or gamble £50m on one who's next game could be vs HMP Winson Green.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2022, 02:19:55 PM
It’s a bit of a stalemate. We clearly have targets at DM who we want to elevate us. But we don’t seem to want to pay the money it would take to get them.
Knowing Villa they might very well have a signing lined up and the only thing we'll know about him is when the signing's gone through at 10.59pm!
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 02:22:57 PM
How the fuck are Rangers paying for Aaron Ramsey?
Maybe they've decided not to pay the taxman again.
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2022, 02:39:01 PM
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2022, 02:40:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
Post by: mike on January 31, 2022, 02:44:20 PM
Having a fit Leon Bailey would be like a new signing. As would Bertrand Traore. So I expect them both to be unavailble until August.
Which August are you referring to?
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2022, 02:45:54 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Post by: Villan82 on January 31, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
We desperately need a defensive midfielder to make our whole team complete.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
Post by: Astnor on January 31, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 03:02:30 PM
How the fuck are Rangers paying for Aaron Ramsey?
Was wondering the same. He's probably on more at Juventus than close to half of Rangers' squad combined !
Post by: fredm on January 31, 2022, 03:04:31 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2022, 03:06:18 PM
I see there is talk in the air about Phillips leaving Leeds this summer. Wonder if we maybe waiting to throw our hat into the ring?
West Ham-bound after Rice goes to Manchester or Chelsea, would be my guess.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 03:36:10 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 03:39:43 PM
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2022, 03:49:57 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 31, 2022, 03:51:17 PM
It's still been a very good transfer window, it just feels slightly disappointing that we're apparently done now, save for the exit apparently of Targett.That's where I am with it. We have a good platform to kick on, but the missing piece could have really helped.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2022, 04:05:58 PM
Post by: villabear on January 31, 2022, 04:12:46 PM
Post by: stevo_st on January 31, 2022, 04:16:13 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 31, 2022, 04:17:13 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 04:19:15 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2022, 04:19:17 PM
Carlton Palmer anyone?Odemwingie has parked his car right outside BMH gate and is poised.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 04:19:44 PM
Coutinho and Digne is very good business, but given the choice I'd probably have stuck with Targett and got a new DM in. I think that would have pushed us on a lot more.
yep. Phil is a great showbiz signing and could become a masterstroke, Digne is an upgrade but hardly the area that screams attention despite Targett being the default to blame for a defeat by some. The DM is the position that's stood out for improvement for ages.
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 04:20:22 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 31, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
I’m still very uncomfortable about this in all honesty.
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2022, 04:21:12 PM
£4.2m is what Juve reportedly paid for Zakaria. That infuriates me - yes, we are not yet able to offer Euro-footie but I wonder whether we even tried to bring him in.
The power of offering European football. That’s why we won’t sign certain players and will overpay for others
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 04:22:00 PM
£4.2m is what Juve reportedly paid for Zakaria. That infuriates me - yes, we are not yet able to offer Euro-footie but I wonder whether we even tried to bring him in.
Juventus have done a nice job of bringing in players for low transfer fees but they overpay wages and agent fees. And yes Europe and always competing for Serie A helps a lot
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2022, 04:25:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2022, 04:29:13 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
I’m still very uncomfortable about this in all honesty.
Looks like you can rest easy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10460069/Aston-Villa-reignite-Yves-Bissouma-Brighton-want-50M-midfielder.html
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 04:29:34 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
I’m still very uncomfortable about this in all honesty.
I don't think we would be making offers unless we had a complete understanding of the situation. I expect us to have 'friends of friends' who can get beyond what is in the public domain. If large companies can do it as part of their recruitment, I can't see the Villa not doing it.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 04:35:52 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2022, 04:38:08 PM
Will be interesting to see how Dele Alli fares at Everton. Not jeal, we didn't need him. He might well go the Aaron Lennon way, from Spurs dazzler to outcast to Toffee water-treader.
A cross between Ross Barkley and Danny Drinkwater would be my guess
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 04:40:31 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on January 31, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
I’m still very uncomfortable about this in all honesty.
Lets not forget he has been banned from driving for speeding not once but twice. That's a good flicker of the twatometer for me.
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2022, 04:41:08 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how Dele Alli fares at Everton. Not jeal, we didn't need him. He might well go the Aaron Lennon way, from Spurs dazzler to outcast to Toffee water-treader.
Tell me more of this Toffee water you speak of.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 04:45:05 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 31, 2022, 04:51:00 PM
Will be interesting to see how Dele Alli fares at Everton. Not jeal, we didn't need him. He might well go the Aaron Lennon way, from Spurs dazzler to outcast to Toffee water-treader.
Tell me more of this Toffee water you speak of.
It's similar to animal food trough water.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 31, 2022, 04:51:37 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2022, 04:54:12 PM
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2022, 04:58:15 PM
I'm not entirely sure why, but I quite like Dele Alli and think he could well become a good player again, given a new start. £40 million though would be some gamble.
I could understand it if it was just one manager, like Mourinho who'd he'd fallen foul of, but it's been the last three.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 31, 2022, 05:00:36 PM
Are there any examples of a player being shit for 3 years and then re-discovering there form again?
None that I can think of, he couldn't care less anymore, complete waste of money.
This is the guy on the Amazon Spurs doc when asked by one of the staff if he'd learnt to do anything in lockdown. Replied yeah I learnt how to cook beans. He meant baked beans in a microwave.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2022, 05:01:01 PM
Are there any examples of a player being shit for 3 years and then re-discovering there form again?
Hopefully Coutinho. ;)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 31, 2022, 05:01:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 31, 2022, 05:02:48 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 31, 2022, 05:03:24 PM
Every French player we signed before being relegated.
Are there any examples of a player being shit for 3 years and then re-discovering there form again?
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 05:06:17 PM
40m for Alli is mental.
If nothing else it will make Alex Iwobi feel better about himself
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2022, 05:06:20 PM
Gerrard targeted a no10 (Coutinho), LB (Digne), GK (Olson) and versatile def (Chambers).
Will renew search for a def mid in summer. Yves Bissouma still an option, if #bhafc asking price falls with 1yr left on deal.
From Rob Dorsett at SKy on Twitter.
Looks like we're done then, that's from a couple of sources now.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2022, 05:06:28 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2022, 05:06:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
I think Lee Hendrie is better than I thought he'd be.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2022, 05:10:04 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
I think Lee Hendrie is better than I thought he'd be.
i will tell you what, you are right!
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 31, 2022, 05:14:19 PM
It gets funnier. 2 and a half years with the first 10m paid after 20 games. So its basically a free transfer.
Effectively, he will play for them for the rest of this season, then not play again for the rest of his contract whilst trousering an eye-watering wage as they won't want to pay the fee. If Everton don't go down this season then I am putting a wedge on them going next year.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 05:15:08 PM
*googled Newcastle.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 31, 2022, 05:17:20 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
It gets funnier. 2 and a half years with the first 10m paid after 20 games. So its basically a free transfer.
Effectively, he will play for them for the rest of this season, then not play again for the rest of his contract whilst trousering an eye-watering wage as they won't want to pay the fee. If Everton don't go down this season then I am putting a wedge on them going next year.
yeah its a strange deal if true.. If he's a success then you only have him for 2 and a half years while paying 40m? Everton obviously have major doubts.
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 31, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
I thought then he was a complete knob.
Post by: TonyD on January 31, 2022, 05:19:47 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2022, 05:20:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/f0WfHcg/9176-B53-D-FE54-4-E01-8090-2429-FAD11-B4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/f0WfHcg)
Post by: placeforparks on January 31, 2022, 05:20:11 PM
Nobody else coming in then. Unless the club are playing us all?
i think this tweet says we're done - https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1488199158339100674?s=20&t=97R5urtzskIt48W2rWUy7A
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 05:20:19 PM
40m for Alli is mental.
If nothing else it will make Alex Iwobi feel better about himself
Harry Maguire says hello and welcome.
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2022, 05:22:48 PM
40m for Alli is mental.Same old Everton repeating mistakes of last few years.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2022, 05:24:07 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2022, 05:26:17 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2022, 05:32:25 PM
Not sure we should be in for Bissouma regardless, given his legal issues.
I’m still very uncomfortable about this in all honesty.
I don't think we would be making offers unless we had a complete understanding of the situation. I expect us to have 'friends of friends' who can get beyond what is in the public domain. If large companies can do it as part of their recruitment, I can't see the Villa not doing it.
And playing devils advocate, why would Brighton be turning down bids if he was likely to be guilty. They’d want shot pretty sharpish I’d have thought?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 31, 2022, 05:37:12 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/f0WfHcg/9176-B53-D-FE54-4-E01-8090-2429-FAD11-B4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/f0WfHcg)
Saw the official account tweet this, taking people off the scent... I like it.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2022, 05:39:02 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/f0WfHcg/9176-B53-D-FE54-4-E01-8090-2429-FAD11-B4-C.png) (https://ibb.co/f0WfHcg)
Saw the official account tweet this, taking people off the scent... I like it.
ha ha I love the blatant denial
Post by: Flin5tone on January 31, 2022, 05:40:59 PM
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
So we have failed in finding a player to fill that CDM role .
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
Wilma is having a Wilma moment.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2022, 05:43:32 PM
So we have failed in finding a player to fill that CDM role .
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
Penny pinching? Hardly.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2022, 05:43:43 PM
B is for Boris and Bissouma and both have had questions raised over their sexual conduct. Also 8 is Bissouma's current squad no.
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2022, 05:43:51 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 05:43:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
So we have failed in finding a player to fill that CDM role .
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
such bollocks. Another victim of recency bias
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 05:45:23 PM
So we have failed in finding a player to fill that CDM role .
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
Well I won't be happy if that's it. If we let Targett go then you'd think the only real logical reason is to make room on the wage bill. Although to be fair, the spurts fans don't look that happy with their January transfer business
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAkQumNobH24_w7x3STJ8oroefI3zpNMIpLQ&usqp=CAU)
Post by: DC1874 on January 31, 2022, 05:47:32 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2022, 05:48:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 05:48:37 PM
Eh?
Post by: DC1874 on January 31, 2022, 05:49:40 PM
16:14 Rodrigo Bentancur [Juventus - Tottenham] £15.9m
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on January 31, 2022, 05:50:10 PM
So we have failed in finding a player to fill that CDM role .Same old TEDIOUS shite, bore off.
Seems like the Penny Pinching at the start of the window has come back to haunt us and Tottenham Hotspur have taken advantage.
I'm also absolutely fuming at the Club helping out Newcastle.
A real poor ending to what looked like a very exciting window!
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 05:55:17 PM
Seriously?
16:14 Rodrigo Bentancur [Juventus - Tottenham] £15.9m
I think that proves that the talk over the weekend that we'd offered £20m and they were pushing for £25m was utter bollocks.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 31, 2022, 05:55:17 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2022, 06:01:30 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 31, 2022, 06:01:58 PM
Being permanently angry must be so exhausting.For us ;)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 06:07:18 PM
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 06:10:33 PM
I think he’s my favourite poster at the moment
Post by: Goldenballs on January 31, 2022, 06:17:44 PM
Post by: murgsy on January 31, 2022, 06:19:32 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2022, 06:20:27 PM
Doesn't look like it is going to happen now and who knows, maybe the right player wasn't available at this time. Maybe they think that Luiz and the soon returning Nakamba can cover it until the right player becomes available in the summer.
The Targett move surprises me if we don't bring any cover in. Then again, maybe they view Young as adequate cover until the summer and again more options are available.
Will be interested to see how Bentacur looks at Spurs.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 31, 2022, 06:26:26 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 06:26:40 PM
I actually love Flintstone he makes me laugh with every post
I think he’s my favourite poster at the moment
I wish Barney Rubble would join the forum.
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2022, 06:33:00 PM
Interesting - and perhaps understandable from their perspective - that Manchester United have refused to allow the loan of Jesse Lingard to Newcastle.
I think the Manchester reds asked Newcastle for a ludicrous loan fee including various bonuses if they stayed up and Newcastle baulked. If that's true, I doubt we'll be getting much in the way of a significant loan fee. I think the Targett deal only makes sense if we're clearing him from the wage bill to make space for someone else. Otherwise, all we're doing is helping a club stay up that may surpass us at a quicker rate. Whilst we're reinforcing/developing I'd have thought we should be strategically looking to delay any rise from Newcastle for as long as possible. Yes he's not Maldini, but if he helps Newcastle buy the Maldini's of this world quicker that's a problem for us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2022, 06:40:59 PM
I don’t understand loaning Targett to a club we will be in competition with soon enough.
Although at least we haven’t just spent 40m on Delle Ali.
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 06:49:55 PM
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 07:07:34 PM
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2022, 07:10:56 PM
I actually love Flintstone he makes me laugh with every post
I think he’s my favourite poster at the moment
He’s very Meldrew. I also approve
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2022, 07:31:47 PM
Will be interesting to see how Dele Alli fares at Everton. Not jeal, we didn't need him. He might well go the Aaron Lennon way, from Spurs dazzler to outcast to Toffee water-treader.
The transfer needs investigating, they are structuring the deal because they have used their loan quota. It’s not a full transfer.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2022, 07:33:22 PM
SG has a way of playing, its very reliant on attacking wing backs - so it is strange to see Targget and Kesler go out on loan, as if we get injuries the players we have can't cover the way that SG likes to play. So that seems an a bit of a risk to me. Also, dont get letting MT going to Newcatle - as if they stay up - they will be in direct competition with us in the summer.
Likewise, lack of CDM seems strange - needed one for years and have failed in the summer and now (presumably).
Guess on the flip side - we have very little to play for, so it might have been hard to justify spending over the odds for a player.
Interesting to see how SG does for the rest of the season, as I think a strong finish is key to keeping players and getting others to come. Would like to see us do our talking on the pitch for next 4 months and show that were a club on the up.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2022, 07:33:29 PM
Not throwing toys from pram but we always seem to have at least one important signing we leave till the next window.
I don’t understand loaning Targett to a club we will be in competition with soon enough.
Although at least we haven’t just spent 40m on Delle Ali.
I said just the same this afternoon. We're always one short.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2022, 07:39:01 PM
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2022, 07:47:18 PM
Post by: BC Villain on January 31, 2022, 07:48:30 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 07:50:05 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 31, 2022, 07:53:10 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
I reckon they are just not panicking and want the right person. I believe with Gerrard he can get us higher up the table with what we have and he will go all out for this player in the summer. He must not be convinced with who is available.
I still think our Doug does a fine job here anyway and been one of best players lately. With Ramsey’s driving we have a decent midfield.
Post by: Smithy on January 31, 2022, 07:56:06 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
We bought a specialist DCM in our very first window as a premier league club, and until he got injured before Christmas was actually playing pretty well under Gerrard in his new system. I would have liked another specialist in the squad to compete for the spot, but if the club couldn't get the one they wanted in January, I'm comfortable with them not going for their third, fourth, fifth choice given we can try again in the summer. Sometimes, the players simply aren't available in January, or they are, and they choose to go elsewhere.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2022, 07:56:14 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2022, 08:00:13 PM
Maybe it's ward prowse in the summer . Bisouma and ward prowess in and Luis out .Think the ships sailed on both of those
Post by: London Villan on January 31, 2022, 08:00:28 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2022, 08:01:10 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2022, 08:02:05 PM
When is marv back?
good question !
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 08:02:35 PM
Kesler-Hayden Guilbert xxx. Targett
Phil-Bidace Raikhy Ramsey El Ghazi
Trezeguet Archer Davis
Subs: Caleb Chucky, Azaz, Wesley, Marschall, Barry, Bridge,
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 08:05:01 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2022, 08:07:59 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2022, 08:08:42 PM
Not really
Seconded.
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 08:11:18 PM
Is Nakamba a out and out defensive midfielder or not
I know he’s injured atm but people are going on that we haven’t had one for years
Bloody ridiculous
Not really my arse
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 08:11:40 PM
Once everyone is fit we've got some fantastic attacking prowess, in no particular order: Bailey, Bertie, Coutinho, Ramsey, Watkins,Ings, McGinn, Luiz, Chucky. That little lot excites me. Maybe we're going to be that good at battering teams a DM has become less of a priority. The old Kevin Keegan approach only better 😁Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
We bought a specialist DCM in our very first window as a premier league club, and until he got injured before Christmas was actually playing pretty well under Gerrard in his new system. I would have liked another specialist in the squad to compete for the spot, but if the club couldn't get the one they wanted in January, I'm comfortable with them not going for their third, fourth, fifth choice given we can try again in the summer. Sometimes, the players simply aren't available in January, or they are, and they choose to go elsewhere.
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 08:15:42 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
Sorry John, but we can all see it. Even Steven Gerrard stated that we need 'style and steel'. We do not have enough physicality in our midfield. People on here really rate Douglas Luiz but he is being played in the wrong position and isn't a DCM. McGinn is arguably our toughest midfielder and he can't defend. If it is not a DCM we need, it is definitely some added physical presence.
Post by: Flin5tone on January 31, 2022, 08:17:21 PM
What is going on down there? surely SG can see it like we all can, maybe the money is not there, we have not spent much at all considering the huge fee we got for Jack Grealish.
We went out with a panic buy for Ings but seems we will not do the same for a vital position.
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2022, 08:18:17 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
Nakamba isn't good enough for us to progress. Tries hard and a decent option at times but once he comes back within 3-5 games I can guarantee most on here will come back to this view. Someone as limited as he is with the ball will never be the solution for us in that role
Luiz doesn't seem to want to develop as a top class 6, Gerrard has said recently that Luiz wants to play at 8.
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2022, 08:19:11 PM
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 08:21:58 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2022, 08:26:08 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I think it’s fair to say that the DM role has been a problem position since we got promoted. Nakamba hasn’t solved it baring a few performances and it’s been apparent for a long time that he’s not at the level required – hence why an upgraded signing has been a constant source of debate as Nakamba has been the only option. For the way both Smith and Gerrard play, it’s a critical position. Luiz is doing a job there but it’s not his natural position. Look at some of the goals we’ve conceded and the games we’ve lost against the more aggressive teams over the last 3 seasons; do you not think a better quality of DM wouldn’t have made a difference?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2022, 08:28:04 PM
Not throwing toys from pram but we always seem to have at least one important signing we leave till the next window.
I don’t understand loaning Targett to a club we will be in competition with soon enough.
Although at least we haven’t just spent 40m on Delle Ali.
I said just the same this afternoon. We're always one short.
I’m hoping it’s that we know who we want and they will be available in the summer.
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
It does always seem like we are that one player away from being a force. I find it absolutely insanity that we have not strengthened in the area we needed to most?I really must start checking the poster before I waste my time reading the post
What is going on down there? surely SG can see it like we all can, maybe the money is not there, we have not spent much at all considering the huge fee we got for Jack Grealish.
We went out with a panic buy for Ings but seems we will not do the same for a vital position.
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2022, 08:54:17 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 31, 2022, 08:56:08 PM
I am quite concerned that for the last 3 TWs, including this one, we have not given any money to Brentford. This must be causing a major problem with their cash flow. I wonder if someone from our club has been in touch and told them that we are shopping in designer outlets now and they need to attract new customers to their discount store?don't think they've got any players left I'd take.
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2022, 08:59:21 PM
Post by: aev on January 31, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Our midfield is still an issue sadly, with a better version of Nakamba still needed.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2022, 09:06:12 PM
Digne a decent upgrade on Targett.
Our midfield is still an issue sadly, with a better version of Nakamba still needed.
Digne is quality. I think we’ve played a blinder to get him in.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 09:07:49 PM
Digne a decent upgrade on Targett.
Our midfield is still an issue sadly, with a better version of Nakamba still needed.
Digne is quality. I think we’ve played a blinder to get him in.
We saw exactly what we got from Digne straight away vs Man U. And very specifically in how Gerrard wants to play. Something Matty isn't going to offer.
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2022, 09:10:51 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2022, 09:12:40 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
Dublin Hendrie
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
Post by: Damo70 on January 31, 2022, 09:18:31 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2022, 09:37:10 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 09:42:35 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
Stick together Bro
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2022, 09:47:06 PM
Fwiw I agree with you too. Did you win at Darts?Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
Stick together Bro
Post by: olaftab on January 31, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping onWhat about the holy grail?
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 10:00:10 PM
Paul Merson has given our transfer window a hit, that's very reassuring for all of us.
I put SSN on earlier just in time to hear Merson say Dele Alli to Everton could be the greatest transfer ever made in January. I turned it straight off.
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
Dublin Hendrie
Dion is too nice and jolly, he's rarely insightful.
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2022, 10:04:19 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
I think I always do!
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2022, 10:12:48 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 31, 2022, 10:13:21 PM
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2022, 10:14:38 PM
The other Aaron Ramsey to Rangers, gotta be the surprise of the window.
And a reason to switch Sky off.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2022, 10:17:55 PM
Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
Completely agree. I don’t dismiss the need for a talented player who can break up plays, protect our defence and runs around like a manic harassing opponents all day long, but it’s been built up into the deciding factor in our long term success. I don’t want us lashing out what would have been £100m on Bissouma if it fucks us long term. We flew way too close to the sun already. If he’s available in the summer for less and he’s interested let’s do it. But if not we can already tell it’s a position that has been identified and I’m sure we will address it.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2022, 10:18:47 PM
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2022, 10:23:46 PM
We have cover at centre half, we've significantly upgraded left back. We have a genuine world class player on loan as one of our options as inside forward. Emi Buendia is really starting to hit his stride.
We have Bailey's electric pace to come back, along with Traroes mercurial trickery.
Ramsey is the most impressive midfielder of his age and looks to have the whole show. He's looking increasingly like somebody else at B6 in the way he plays; pace, power, drive, left or right foot, goals, energy. Impressive. If his attitude stays exemplary, where he ends up ability wise is really up to him.
Emi Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league and world and he's signed long term.
We have a nice shape and system, the structure makes sense and we are playing some very good football.
This has cost a net £2.5m in fees, albeit wages will have increased.
Given FFP cycles we can have a bigger swing at things next summer to push on further again. As annoying as the incomplete puzzle can be, if you're not excited about all this, then this thing of ours isn't for you.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2022, 10:28:26 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 31, 2022, 10:33:18 PM
The other Aaron Ramsey to Rangers, gotta be the surprise of the window.
Been reports that he turned us, Everton and Newcastle down to go there.
I hope we weren't in for him.
Seems like his career is in full wind down mode if he's opting for semi pro football. Guess he's made his money and doesn't give a monkeys.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2022, 10:36:37 PM
It's a shame we couldn't pick up a defensive midfielder, but with Marv and Doguie, we've still taken 1.6 points a game and are 6th in the form table since Gerrard took over.Great summary - hard to argue with that. Certainly exciting times UTV
We have cover at centre half, we've significantly upgraded left back. We have a genuine world class player on loan as one of our options as inside forward. Emi Buendia is really starting to hit his stride.
We have Bailey's electric pace to come back, along with Traroes mercurial trickery.
Ramsey is the most impressive midfielder of his age and looks to have the whole show. He's looking increasingly like somebody else at B6 in the way he plays; pace, power, drive, left or right foot, goals, energy. Impressive. If his attitude stays exemplary, where he ends up ability wise is really up to him.
Emi Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league and world and he's signed long term.
We have a nice shape and system, the structure makes sense and we are playing some very good football.
This has cost a net £2.5m in fees, albeit wages will have increased.
Given FFP cycles we can have a bigger swing at things next summer to push on further again. As annoying as the incomplete puzzle can be, if you're not excited about all this, then this thing of ours isn't for you.
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2022, 10:40:07 PM
I am sure Gerrard would have wanted another midfielder in but we have some very good midfielders already so anymore would have had to be better which is hard to pin down. It’s not like we are being overrun every week, we need to see what Sanson offers over dozen or so games.
I have full faith that the board know exactly what we can & what we can’t spend, something none of us know or should know. If Bissouma is one they want I’m glad we didn’t, no way comfortable with him whilst he is under investigation…if he is cleared then deeper due diligence on his character then good to go but until he is cleared no way.
Targett was on face of it odd but when you think back to how he looked so out of shape at start of season you wonder if he might have been one who sitting on the bench for 6-8 weeks he might have reverted back. Hope he does well, hope they still drop like a stone.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 31, 2022, 10:42:04 PM
Our midfield is still an issue sadly, with a better version of Nakamba still needed.
Agree and it's been an issue for a while. Nakamba is a good back-up (if we intend progressing) to a strong defensive minded player who can also pick a pass. Until we get him players like McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey (who are all great going forwards) are just going to have to get used to improving the defensive side of their game.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2022, 10:42:16 PM
It's a shame we couldn't pick up a defensive midfielder, but with Marv and Doguie, we've still taken 1.6 points a game and are 6th in the form table since Gerrard took over.
We have cover at centre half, we've significantly upgraded left back. We have a genuine world class player on loan as one of our options as inside forward. Emi Buendia is really starting to hit his stride.
We have Bailey's electric pace to come back, along with Traroes mercurial trickery.
Ramsey is the most impressive midfielder of his age and looks to have the whole show. He's looking increasingly like somebody else at B6 in the way he plays; pace, power, drive, left or right foot, goals, energy. Impressive. If his attitude stays exemplary, where he ends up ability wise is really up to him.
Emi Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league and world and he's signed long term.
We have a nice shape and system, the structure makes sense and we are playing some very good football.
This has cost a net £2.5m in fees, albeit wages will have increased.
Given FFP cycles we can have a bigger swing at things next summer to push on further again. As annoying as the incomplete puzzle can be, if you're not excited about all this, then this thing of ours isn't for you.
A good summation of where we’re at.
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2022, 10:50:51 PM
Coutinho in, AEG out
Olsen in, Steer out
Chambers in, Tuanzebe out
Big first transfer window from Gerrard. Hard decision made at LB particularly. More of the promotion squad understandably let go and likes of Archer and Davis have got good loan moves too.
16 games to go, think we are set up for a strong finish as long as injuries don't hit us. Our cover across the back 6 is still very average for me.
At the other end of the pitch, there is lots to be optimistic about. Likes of Bailey, Sanson and Traore have yet to contribute much this season for various reasons but are talented players. Buendia and Ramsey look set for a strong finish. Watkins or Ings up top not both. Coutinho once he gets fitter has the class to make a big impact too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2022, 11:01:56 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2022, 11:02:42 PM
It's a shame we couldn't pick up a defensive midfielder, but with Marv and Doguie, we've still taken 1.6 points a game and are 6th in the form table since Gerrard took over.
We have cover at centre half, we've significantly iupgraded left back. We have a genuine world class player on loan as one of our options as inside forward. Emi Buendia is really starting to hit his stride.
We have Bailey's electric pace to come back, along with Traroes mercurial trickery.
Ramsey is the most impressive midfielder of his age and looks to have the whole show. He's looking increasingly like somebody else at B6 in the way he plays; pace, power, drive, left or right foot, goals, energy. Impressive. If his attitude stays exemplary, where he ends up ability wise is really up to him.
Emi Martinez is one of the best keepers in the league and world and he's signed long term.
We have a nice shape and system, the structure makes sense and we are playing some very good football.
This has cost a net £2.5m in fees, albeit wages will have increased.
Given FFP cycles we can have a bigger swing at things next summer to push on further again. As annoying as the incomplete puzzle can be, if you're not excited about all this, then this thing of ours isn't for you.
Good summary IMHO. Read a few pieces suggesting we will be back in for Bissouma in the summer.
Post by: john e on January 31, 2022, 11:12:25 PM
Fwiw I agree with you too. Did you win at Darts?Dissapointed we broke ranks and dealt with Newcastle.
Dissapointed we didn't get a DM
Obviously happy with the earlier business, but if you'd offered me one position to strengthen it would have been DM. I know there's loads of reasons why transfers don't happen, but we do have a habbit of missing out on priority positions in the last few windows.
DM has been our achillies heel since we got promoted. That's 7 transfer windows ago, yet we still haven't addressed it. Extremely disappointing from Gerrard and the club
Well we signed Nakamba Who is an out and out defensive midfielder people might think he’s not good enough but that’s a different thing altogether
All this we’ve not had a DM for years is just A total myth
If we had bought someone in in this window and he also wasn’t as good as Kante or Rice or Phillips you’d all be saying the same thing again
We also have other players that can play there who again people might think aren’t good enough for them
But the DM thing is a massive bandwagon on here that people love jumping on
It’s now reach stages of delusion that this is the missing piece in the jigsaw the golden fleece the Key to great riches, The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, The actual fucking wizard of Oz
It’s just a load of balls
I agree with John e
Stick together Bro
Yes mate
2-1 singles. 2-1. Doubles
Team is 1 point off top and playing top of league next week
Thanks for asking
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2022, 11:20:30 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2022, 12:42:55 AM
In
Coutinho L2B
Digne
Olsen L2B
Chambers
Buendia
Bailey
Ings
Young
Tuanzebe L
Total Transfer Fees £116m
Out
Grealish
Engels
Elmo
Taylor
Heaton
Tuanzebe LE
AEG L2B
Wesley L
Guilbert L
Samatta L2B
Hourihane L2EC
Davis L
Steer L
Targett L
Archer L
JPB L
Total Transfer Fees £114m
Oh and don't forget the new deals in place too; Martinez arguably the best deal of the lot.
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2022, 12:45:11 AM
Post by: robleflaneur on February 01, 2022, 02:06:39 AM
Perhaps we missed out on a promising ' young' striker,Delfounseo who moved to Bradford.
Okay we didn't get a DCM but what's encouraging is that we aren't looking at second best,all the Rangers players ,see the initial post on this thread,we didn't go for any of them.We are after quality,
Post by: CT Villan on February 01, 2022, 02:06:56 AM
i am struggling to think of any ex villa player who has made a good pundit
For a while Andy Gray was pretty good and Andy Townsend seems to have improved a bit of late. Weren't Bosnich and Sir Brian decent pundits too ?
Post by: villabear on February 01, 2022, 04:18:54 AM
Post by: algy on February 01, 2022, 07:30:10 AM
Think we were right not to pursue Bissouma if the prices suggested were right - £50m for a player with 18 months left on his contract and a potential gaol term hanging over his head.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2022, 07:31:50 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 08:02:53 AM
Phil - Could be a masterstroke but he's on loan and there's always the chance he does well and buggers off.
Digne - upgrade or a different kind of fullback to Targett. Either way we're still stuck with one decent left-back
Chambers - no better than Tuanzebe imo apart from we own him.
Olsen - looks an upgrade on Steer
Overall, yes the 1st team is better but very much as you were in terms of squad depth.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2022, 08:05:41 AM
We now need a strong second half of the season to persuade our best players the project is worth sticking with and prospective players we are the club to jump of board with.
I'm still pretty angry we let Targett go to Newcastle. If they stay up they'll be chucking money around like smarties and will make our job in the summer that much harder. I can see them going in strong for Bissouma for example. It looks like only us and Brighton did business with them willingly and if we were going to do so we should at least have rinsed them for a fee.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 01, 2022, 08:14:22 AM
We're in a fanstastic place. I'd have preferred a DM more than any other position, but the updside is Dougie is more likely to renew if he continues to get gametime. We are one injury away from a major issue though.
We now need a strong second half of the season to persuade our best players the project is worth sticking with and prospective players we are the club to jump of board with.
I'm still pretty angry we let Targett go to Newcastle. If they stay up they'll be chucking money around like smarties and will make our job in the summer that much harder. I can see them going in strong for Bissouma for example. It looks like only us and Brighton did business with them willingly and if we were going to do so we should at least have rinsed them for a fee.
This.
Post by: Holy Trinity on February 01, 2022, 08:26:40 AM
Agree with that Twitter post a bit back - over the last 3 transfer windows the first team has improved immeasurably, with a low net spend. I'd be confident that our 'backup' players now would beat the side that we finished our first season back with, which in 18 months is a remarkable shift.
Think we were right not to pursue Bissouma if the prices suggested were right - £50m for a player with 18 months left on his contract and a potential gaol term hanging over his head.
I also think the backlash Mason Greenwood has seen over the last few days has been eye opening for the club and we didn't want the bad publicity of signing someone who has that dark cloud over his head at the moment.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 01, 2022, 08:37:46 AM
I'm still pretty angry we let Targett go to Newcastle. If they stay up they'll be chucking money around like smarties and will make our job in the summer that much harder. I can see them going in strong for Bissouma for example. It looks like only us and Brighton did business with them willingly and if we were going to do so we should at least have rinsed them for a fee.
Totally agree, they will be shopping in exactly the same markets as us in the summer. Wrong decision to help them stay up.
Post by: The Edge on February 01, 2022, 08:50:19 AM
I do think that the club were in for Bissouma but it didn't happen for a variety of reasons including the one you mention. Brighton were trying to get as much as they could for him as is their prerogative we were not going to be pushed into anything rash as is ours. Purslow has said we're set up for an exciting summer and that'll do for me. If Bissouma gets cleared of the charges we can go back for him and with his contract down to one year left Brighton's hand is weakened. The downside is that we may face stiff competition for him by then. I think he's a very good player but if it doesn't happen we move on. One things for sure this lot will not be resting their laurels and they will be hard at work looking for the right players to get us where we want to go.Agree with that Twitter post a bit back - over the last 3 transfer windows the first team has improved immeasurably, with a low net spend. I'd be confident that our 'backup' players now would beat the side that we finished our first season back with, which in 18 months is a remarkable shift.
Think we were right not to pursue Bissouma if the prices suggested were right - £50m for a player with 18 months left on his contract and a potential gaol term hanging over his head.
I also think the backlash Mason Greenwood has seen over the last few days has been eye opening for the club and we didn't want the bad publicity of signing someone who has that dark cloud over his head at the moment.
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2022, 08:52:06 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 08:56:58 AM
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 01, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
For the conspiracy theorists our net spend of 2.5m dovetails nicely into that story that we only had 5m to spend due to FFP. 8)
I don't get that we spent 25m on Digne
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
https://twitter.com/marshallavfc/status/1488246530595295232 (https://twitter.com/marshallavfc/status/1488246530595295232)
Post by: algy on February 01, 2022, 09:14:05 AM
For the conspiracy theorists our net spend of 2.5m dovetails nicely into that story that we only had 5m to spend due to FFP. 8)That explains a few things:
- Why we didn't buy a defensive midfielder that everyone on here wanted
- Why we got rid of Targett - wages off the books
- Why we still haven't got the cable car sorted out, or the underground tunnels.
Our finances must be worst than when Dr Shitshoes was in charge.
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 09:18:16 AM
For the conspiracy theorists our net spend of 2.5m dovetails nicely into that story that we only had 5m to spend due to FFP. 8)That explains a few things:
- Why we didn't buy a defensive midfielder that everyone on here wanted
- Why we got rid of Targett - wages off the books
- Why we still haven't got the cable car sorted out, or the underground tunnels.
Our finances must be worst than when Dr Shitshoes was in charge.
heh. Aye. Selling Luiz could have got the tunnels at least started. #ShortsightedPurslow
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 01, 2022, 09:19:18 AM
Dunno. From this tweet,
https://twitter.com/marshallavfc/status/1488246530595295232 (https://twitter.com/marshallavfc/status/1488246530595295232)
AAAH...ALL SEASON!!
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2022, 09:25:11 AM
I think had we wanted to we probably could have got Bissouma done, but £45m plus add ons to agents, signing on etc, plus wages for a guy with a police hearing over his head is a gamble too far surely.
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
I'll be fuming if we don't sign him in summer 2024 as I think he'll be even better than Jeff.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 01, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
Summer might need to balance things a bit, for the 3 attacking positions we have 5 players that (in theory anyway) should be good enough for challenging for the European positions and 1 who’s close and in midfield we have 1 who’s good enough and 2 who are close for those 3 positions.
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
If they are up against FFP is does explain a few things. Not getting a DCM is very disappointing but we look in a very good place otherwise. Even though letting Newcastle have any of our players on loan at the moment would seem a bit daft, i honesty don’t think Targett will make the difference to them staying up or not.
Summer might need to balance things a bit, for the 3 attacking positions we have 5 players that (in theory anyway) should be good enough for challenging for the European positions and 1 who’s close and in midfield we have 1 who’s good enough and 2 who are close for those 3 positions.
That Newcastle defence is bloody slow. Trippier playing a high line as the only one that can run is going to cause them all kinds of issues with balls going in behind.
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 01, 2022, 10:18:36 AM
Post by: Billy Walker on February 01, 2022, 10:27:08 AM
We're in a fanstastic place. I'd have preferred a DM more than any other position, but the updside is Dougie is more likely to renew if he continues to get gametime. We are one injury away from a major issue though.
We now need a strong second half of the season to persuade our best players the project is worth sticking with and prospective players we are the club to jump of board with.
I'm still pretty angry we let Targett go to Newcastle. If they stay up they'll be chucking money around like smarties and will make our job in the summer that much harder. I can see them going in strong for Bissouma for example. It looks like only us and Brighton did business with them willingly and if we were going to do so we should at least have rinsed them for a fee.
On the flip side, the fact we were willing to help Newcastle out in this way might reflect that our owners don't see them and their takeover as a significant threat to their own ambitions?
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2022, 11:03:48 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2022, 11:06:35 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 11:21:43 AM
Wishful thinking...Newcastle have the weight of avarice behind them that few can match.
Yes, but a) you can only play with 11 players at one time b) you have to spend that money wisely.
Don't be scared of them, be smarter than them.
Plus, if their wealth makes success inevitable, why sweat over loaning them a left back?
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Because if they go down it puts their progress back by two seasons whilst we make our push. If they stay up they'll be direct competition for us next season, on player aquisitions at least if not league position. eg IF we're both go for Bissouma they will probably offer more money and higher wages. Their intention will be to disprupt the market and it will costs us one way or another.Wishful thinking...Newcastle have the weight of avarice behind them that few can match.
Yes, but a) you can only play with 11 players at one time b) you have to spend that money wisely.
Don't be scared of them, be smarter than them.
Plus, if their wealth makes success inevitable, why sweat over loaning them a left back?
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 11:34:03 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
I don't buy it that loaning them a decent left back is going to make or break their or our futures, I'm sorry, and neither do the club or manager.
I know. It’s not like we sent them Maldini. Matt Targett is an ok PL level LB. That’s it.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 11:40:16 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 11:41:27 AM
Post by: frank black on February 01, 2022, 11:42:36 AM
We're in a fanstastic place. I'd have preferred a DM more than any other position, but the updside is Dougie is more likely to renew if he continues to get gametime. We are one injury away from a major issue though.
We now need a strong second half of the season to persuade our best players the project is worth sticking with and prospective players we are the club to jump of board with.
I'm still pretty angry we let Targett go to Newcastle. If they stay up they'll be chucking money around like smarties and will make our job in the summer that much harder. I can see them going in strong for Bissouma for example. It looks like only us and Brighton did business with them willingly and if we were going to do so we should at least have rinsed them for a fee.
On the flip side, the fact we were willing to help Newcastle out in this way might reflect that our owners don't see them and their takeover as a significant threat to their own ambitions?
I’d say the reverse is true. Maybe our owners see them as a threat to the top four rather than us. Which would be bonkers as surely that’s where we would want to be. It was stupid to loan him to them, we are too nice
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 11:45:22 AM
My problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
Post by: algy on February 01, 2022, 11:45:53 AM
The club I think's really threatened by it all is Everton. Can see them going down in the next couple of seasons.
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 11:47:41 AM
My problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
My problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
I thinking when I posted that you'd no doubt pull out a post from Sept 1 explicitly saying that.
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
My problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
I thinking when I posted that you'd no doubt pull out a post from Sept 1 explicitly saying that.
Forgive me but I can't be bothered to trawl through it all lee. I would say that you may remember an obviously not fit Targett getting his arse handed him in the 1st game against Sarr was it because there was no-one else to play and the comments on here?
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2022, 12:00:59 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 01, 2022, 12:01:46 PM
Also - I think that under SG, the full backs play differently - so make shift cover (e.g. Hause, Ashley Young) would be more of an issue than at the beginning of the seasonMy problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
I thinking when I posted that you'd no doubt pull out a post from Sept 1 explicitly saying that.
Forgive me but I can't be bothered to trawl through it all lee. I would say that you may remember an obviously not fit Targett getting his arse handed him in the 1st game against Sarr was it because there was no-one else to play and the comments on here?
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 12:06:20 PM
I would've done, but I was cleaning the caravan at the time, something thanks to this board I'm never going to be allowed to forget
heh. Just jealousy mate. I know I am. :D
Post by: sickbeggar on February 01, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Also - I think that under SG, the full backs play differently - so make shift cover (e.g. Hause, Ashley Young) would be more of an issue than at the beginning of the seasonMy problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
I thinking when I posted that you'd no doubt pull out a post from Sept 1 explicitly saying that.
Forgive me but I can't be bothered to trawl through it all lee. I would say that you may remember an obviously not fit Targett getting his arse handed him in the 1st game against Sarr was it because there was no-one else to play and the comments on here?
yep. not sure who Gerrard thinks is going to do that role with injuries to the fullbacks. Young. chambers?
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2022, 12:08:39 PM
I don't buy it that loaning them a decent left back is going to make or break their or our futures, I'm sorry, and neither do the club or manager.If he helps keep them up then it will do exactly that.
Post by: UK Redsox on February 01, 2022, 12:20:26 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
Add me to the list of people confused by loaning out the only two specialist reserve full backs.
One didn't want to fight for his place.
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
The issue now is that Young doesn't have much of a left foot so he's still going to be cutting inside/back to get crosses away, whereas Digne and Cash should be looking to put in early-ish crosses as they break at pace.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2022, 02:18:58 PM
My problem is it makes us weaker and we're an injury away from moving people around in the defence which I thought we were trying to get away from.
We're no weaker on terms of numbers at left back than we started the season with, we now have a better first choice. I don't recall anyone saying we're short at left back in September.
I did ;) The whole defensive cover was a bone of contention for me really.
I believe you, you've consistently been unduly preoccupied with the left.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2022, 02:22:22 PM
I am sure he will let you clean it, you might even get to use the chemical toilet ;DI would've done, but I was cleaning the caravan at the time, something thanks to this board I'm never going to be allowed to forget
heh. Just jealousy mate. I know I am. :D
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2022, 03:04:07 PM
I would've done, but I was cleaning the caravan at the time, something thanks to this board I'm never going to be allowed to forget
Thanks for the reminder, I’d forgotten about that!!
Post by: Billy Walker on February 01, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
Wishful thinking...Newcastle have the weight of avarice behind them that few can match.
Avarice, they will have for sure, but no one knows, with the same kind of certainty, what kind of money we have behind us. If we're willing to lend them players at this stage, NSWE must feel quite comfortable with the situation - maybe they want Newcastle to stay up to help destabilise/smash the greedy six? Interesting times lie ahead, hopefully Villa are in the thick of it.
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2022, 06:09:34 PM
The neutral view from a couple of analysts/journos. https://twitter.com/SocanalysisHQ/status/1488273024629411840It's all down to me as I have been secretly advising Lange via the gift of good thoughts transmitted whilst sitting on my prayer mat.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2022, 06:33:34 PM
The neutral view from a couple of analysts/journos. https://twitter.com/SocanalysisHQ/status/1488273024629411840It's all down to me as I have been secretly advising Lange via the gift of good thoughts transmitted whilst sitting on my prayer mat.
I thought as much. You might give a few tips to my Colombian colleague, her ongoing prayers that I meet a 'nice' Colombian or Brazilian wife aren't proving as successful. :(
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2022, 12:57:28 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 08, 2022, 11:30:15 PM
I think it’s only fair that you keep yourself evenly distributed amongst the central and southern American ladies😀
There's not as much of me to go around as there used to be. :)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 08, 2022, 11:31:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2022, 11:36:58 PM
Post by: mrfuse on February 09, 2022, 10:06:35 AM
So we did go for Bissouma despite the cloud hanging over him.
I'm surprised this didn't get asked about in the press conference yesterday. Of all the positive things we have addressed recently this one left a little sour taste in my mouth. Unless of course they have looked into the situation and know something we don't.
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 10:14:16 AM
It often takes someone more old-school like Pat Murphy to make more direct, interesting inquiries. I thought Tom Ross would have the seniority to take on that mantle but his questions are just as lame as the rest of them.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 09, 2022, 10:26:51 AM
Of course they've looked into it and know more about it than we do.So we did go for Bissouma despite the cloud hanging over him.
I'm surprised this didn't get asked about in the press conference yesterday. Of all the positive things we have addressed recently this one left a little sour taste in my mouth. Unless of course they have looked into the situation and know something we don't.
However, one thing no manager would ever do would comment on a legal case of another teams player. It would have been a stupid question to ask and it's hardly a surprise nobody did.
Post by: mrfuse on February 09, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
Of course they've looked into it and know more about it than we do.So we did go for Bissouma despite the cloud hanging over him.
I'm surprised this didn't get asked about in the press conference yesterday. Of all the positive things we have addressed recently this one left a little sour taste in my mouth. Unless of course they have looked into the situation and know something we don't.
However, one thing no manager would ever do would comment on a legal case of another teams player. It would have been a stupid question to ask and it's hardly a surprise nobody did.
So you are saying it would be a stupid question to ask about our offer for Bissouma? I didn't say they had to ask about the legality of the deal.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 09, 2022, 02:32:32 PM
Of course they've looked into it and know more about it than we do.So we did go for Bissouma despite the cloud hanging over him.
I'm surprised this didn't get asked about in the press conference yesterday. Of all the positive things we have addressed recently this one left a little sour taste in my mouth. Unless of course they have looked into the situation and know something we don't.
However, one thing no manager would ever do would comment on a legal case of another teams player. It would have been a stupid question to ask and it's hardly a surprise nobody did.
So you are saying it would be a stupid question to ask about our offer for Bissouma? I didn't say they had to ask about the legality of the deal.
You could ask, but I’d be amazed if the answer was anything other than “I don’t talk transfers or other club’s players”
Post by: mrfuse on February 09, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
Of course they've looked into it and know more about it than we do.So we did go for Bissouma despite the cloud hanging over him.
I'm surprised this didn't get asked about in the press conference yesterday. Of all the positive things we have addressed recently this one left a little sour taste in my mouth. Unless of course they have looked into the situation and know something we don't.
However, one thing no manager would ever do would comment on a legal case of another teams player. It would have been a stupid question to ask and it's hardly a surprise nobody did.
So you are saying it would be a stupid question to ask about our offer for Bissouma? I didn't say they had to ask about the legality of the deal.
You could ask, but I’d be amazed if the answer was anything other than “I don’t talk transfers or other club’s players”
Prepare to be amazed.... Steven Gerrard: “We put in a bid [in January] which was turned away, and we respected and appreciated that. If it’s not right at the time we might have to be patient in a few situations.” This was in the Telegraph.
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 03:02:32 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 09, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 09, 2022, 05:51:26 PM
I'm surprised he confirmed the bid to be honest, but I do believe Gerrard is savvy enough to have a reason for doing so, rather than simply 'letting it slip'.
I am amazed.
My guess, the offer was tactically a bit like the bids for Smith Rowe. Probably stood a slim chance of signing the player but shows we mean business. Mind you, I’d put Digne and Coutinho in the same category so they’re not empty offers, if the clubs are willing to sell.
Post by: john e on February 09, 2022, 05:58:17 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2022, 06:40:23 PM
Post by: OCD on February 09, 2022, 06:44:08 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 09, 2022, 07:39:14 PM
Post by: nigel on February 16, 2022, 08:33:46 AM
a summer move for Ndidi
Milner coming back
and looking for offers for Bertie
Post by: mrfuse on February 16, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
BBC gossip linking us with …
a summer move for Ndidi
Milner coming back
and looking for offers for Bertie
Is Ndidi that Good? The links I've seen are saying £50m surely that can't be right.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 11:03:43 AM
BBC gossip linking us with …
a summer move for Ndidi
Milner coming back
and looking for offers for Bertie
Is Ndidi that Good? The links I've seen are saying £50m surely that can't be right.
Yes, very good. Leicester's version of Bissouma or Kante.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 16, 2022, 11:08:19 AM
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Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 11:09:39 AM
I thought our set-up was about trying to find the next Ndidi or Bissouma. Leicester have done it twice with Ndidi and Kante and made plenty of money from it. I detect a slight change with SG in charge now that we will spend the money on other clubs findings.
Well the two directors of football in Pitarch and Lange have so far failed miserably to bring one in.
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2022, 11:15:36 AM
Post by: algy on February 16, 2022, 11:31:40 AM
I thought our set-up was about trying to find the next Ndidi or Bissouma. Leicester have done it twice with Ndidi and Kante and made plenty of money from it. I detect a slight change with SG in charge now that we will spend the money on other clubs findings.We are spending (relatively) a load of money on players for the academy. Whilst that's still happening, I'm less bothered about us not going in heavy on players in that 21-25 age bracket.
For me:
Ndidi - Makes perfect sense if he's available. Weakens a team you'd see as rivals for top-half places, whilst addressing a long term problem for us.
Milner - again, makes sense to me - have one player who'll be transitioning out of regular first team football (Milner) being replaced by one who's transitioning in (Chuk). Would be quite happy with Milner on a 1 year contract with the option of making it 2.
Traore - I love the guy, but he's injured more than he's not. Obvious player to move on if we can get our money back for him.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 11:52:01 AM
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Post by: coreyfeldman on February 16, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2022, 04:48:02 PM
Ndidi and Bissouma behind Coutinho, Ramsey and Buendia is a great idea. Style and steel is what Gerrard said he wanted. Will cost more than 50 mill though.We'll not be seeing both Ndidi and Bissouma!
Why can't we find our own version of these highly-priced / highly-prized players?!
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2022, 05:10:32 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2022, 05:31:43 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 16, 2022, 05:57:23 PM
Sometimes to take the next step you just have to bite the bullet and pay for top quality players. Finding hidden gems and nurturing youngsters is fantastic, but we want to be at the top table sooner rather than later and I don't think we can write off another season due to having a huge gap in the squad. In my view the likes of Ndidi or Bissouma is exactly what we need.I think the challange is trying to convince them to come to us - one will be coverted by all the top teams as will be available on the cheap. The other is playing for a team where he won the FA last season. There is a good chance both will finish above us, and Newcastle will be able to pay more than us - so its Going to be a tough sale
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
What did Ndidi do to make us so in need of him ?Wilfred Ndidi
When I saw him I was like
There he was he just takes the ball and plays to feet, sign him!
'Do we need Ndiddy at DM? hmm indeedy we do'
Snappin' into tackles and Wilfred likes to compete, sign him!
'Do we need Ndiddy at DM? hmm indeed we do'
He looked good! (Looked good!)
He played fine (Played fine!)
He looked good, he played fine
And he puts his body on the line!
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 06:36:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2022, 06:44:48 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:27:54 PM
Ndidi if he leaves Leicester could get a team in Europe, likewise with Bissouma.
Post by: LeonW on February 16, 2022, 07:34:08 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 16, 2022, 07:36:56 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 16, 2022, 07:40:37 PM
It'll probably end up being Kamara from Rangers - who doesn't strike me as being the upgrade on Nakamba and Luiz we need.
Possibly. If nothing else, he knows Gerrard's preferred system and that particularly position is critical to it. I think the summer transfer window will be challenging. Last season we finished with a tiny bit of momentum after a largely average second half to the season. We finished in our highest league position in 10 years and had Joe as a demonstration of intent. This season we've gone backwards. It'd be delighted at the likes of Bissouma and JWP came in but I think it'll be a struggle. Hope I'm wrong.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:42:14 PM
People have been presuming we'd be signing Rangers players since Gerrard was first linked. We haven't.lets hope it stays that way.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2022, 07:46:00 PM
What did Ndidi do to make us so in need of him ?Be one of the best DMs in the PL?
Post by: chrisw1 on February 16, 2022, 07:47:19 PM
Absolutely. Which is why I wonder if we should have gone the extra mile in Jan.Sometimes to take the next step you just have to bite the bullet and pay for top quality players. Finding hidden gems and nurturing youngsters is fantastic, but we want to be at the top table sooner rather than later and I don't think we can write off another season due to having a huge gap in the squad. In my view the likes of Ndidi or Bissouma is exactly what we need.I think the challange is trying to convince them to come to us - one will be coverted by all the top teams as will be available on the cheap. The other is playing for a team where he won the FA last season. There is a good chance both will finish above us, and Newcastle will be able to pay more than us - so its Going to be a tough sale
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:49:51 PM
he's very good, along with Rice and Bissouma, the three of them could get big moves this summer. I also like Phillips at Leeds.What did Ndidi do to make us so in need of him ?Be one of the best DMs in the PL?
Post by: Rigadon on February 16, 2022, 07:51:55 PM
It'll probably end up being Kamara from Rangers - who doesn't strike me as being the upgrade on Nakamba and Luiz we need.
I think it’ll be a top player personally. Look at what we brought in last month.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2022, 07:55:57 PM
Hopefully :)It'll probably end up being Kamara from Rangers - who doesn't strike me as being the upgrade on Nakamba and Luiz we need.
I think it’ll be a top player personally. Look at what we brought in last month.
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Having Milner around the team would hopefully put a stop to this "cant be arsed getting my finger out of my hole" and letting the other team walk all over us like last weekend. He would most definitely show how to prepare and make sure the brain is working right from the kick off. Plus an almighty person to have in the dressing room to give the young ones who are coming though an example to follow.
Same argument supported the return of Ashley Young last summer...former player, league winner etc. But first and foremost they have to be able to still contribute on the pitch. Young and Milner were/are great pros but their time at the top level is done.
If it's a former player, and league winner, we could do with getting back, there's another player who would transform our team/club if he returned. I don't think it's impossible either.
Post by: Rigadon on February 16, 2022, 08:03:18 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 16, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
he's very good, along with Rice and Bissouma, the three of them could get big moves this summer. I also like Phillips at Leeds.What did Ndidi do to make us so in need of him ?Be one of the best DMs in the PL?
Agree, any one of those 3 would be big upgrades
Post by: paul_e on February 16, 2022, 08:40:45 PM
Aside from the nams mentioned you've got people like Boubacar Kamara, Brozovic and Witsel all out of contract this summer and all very capable.
I suspect that list of 6 will be most of the names that get linked to club in the top half and I don't think it's beyond us to be in for at least 2-3 of them.
I'd still be looking at Shkiri from Koln though, will be in the last year of his contract come the summer and I'd imagine wouldn't cost more than about £10-15m. For me he's one of the most underrated players around right now because he has everything you'd want from a top DM; never stops running, reads the game well, good touch, can pass and tackle, good in the air and is a decent finisher when he gets forward, I think he'd be perfect for what we need, freeing up the other midfielders to drift forward more, covering in front of the centre backs and able to get on the ball and pass through midfield.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 16, 2022, 08:43:51 PM
Bissouma - we're a club with money and ambition. So are Brighton, and all the clubs above them.
Ndidi - Leicester have been better than us for years.
Rice - take more water with it!
Phillips - see above.
Post by: OCD on February 16, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 16, 2022, 08:54:44 PM
By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Friends with Gerrard. We’ll see in the summer how significant his pulling power is combined with the club/ownership.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2022, 08:58:14 PM
I mean he is one ultimate professional and I think literally only Leeds and Villa are the clubs he most loves!
We can but dream.. Great winner and attitude.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2022, 09:00:45 PM
By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Friends with Gerrard. We’ll see in the summer how significant his pulling power is combined with the club/ownership.
I just hope we finish 12th or higher. Anything below and below 14th would be really disappointing. I think 8-12 realms though regards placings. It's a real task and here's hoping we somehow can work it all together for consistency and that doesn't all fall apart. Let's starts with a strong showing and result vs Watford
Whatever happens we expect another strong summer window of movers and shakers.
Up the Villa.
Post by: Steve67 on February 16, 2022, 09:00:48 PM
By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Or 43 capped French internationals?
For what it's worth, I also think that Bissouma and Ndidi may go elsewhere in the summer, if they move at all. But an upgrade on them IS Phillips and IS Rice, therefore, the likes of Bissouma and Ndidi are second rate in comparison to Rice and Phillips, which is perhaps why we might be in for them.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2022, 09:01:38 PM
I've read a few times that Villa would've known, in some more-than-public-disclosure-depth as to the situation re Bissouma before making a bid, but I wonder if that's right. Why would Villa have access to case files of an ongoing criminal investigation? Maybe I'm being naive, but I'd hope that that kind of info is not available to would-be employers, regardless of the profession.
I think the big thing was that his case was downgraded from being under arrest and out on bail, to not being under arrest and just under ongoing investigation.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2022, 09:09:27 PM
I think Rice is the best of all those 4 and he didn't get booked as much as the rest who are all agressive.By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Or 43 capped French internationals?
For what it's worth, I also think that Bissouma and Ndidi may go elsewhere in the summer, if they move at all. But an upgrade on them IS Phillips and IS Rice, therefore, the likes of Bissouma and Ndidi are second rate in comparison to Rice and Phillips, which is perhaps why we might be in for them.
Rice is like a limited Rodri
Works well for West Ham not sure he's a champs league level player though and Phillips is certainly no Pirlo or even Jorginho when it comes to controlling and playing football from my eyes.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 16, 2022, 09:38:20 PM
By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
He's on loan, we're paying a big chunk of his wages, his parent club were desperate to offload him and he knows our manager really well.
The others mentioned will be a bit tougher to convince, I fear.
Post by: Beard82 on February 16, 2022, 09:42:42 PM
Plus he wants regular football so hes in the team for 2022 world cup. Still, were lucky to have him here for however long it might beBy the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
He's on loan, we're paying a big chunk of his wages, his parent club were desperate to offload him and he knows our manager really well.
The others mentioned will be a bit tougher to convince, I fear.
Post by: paul_e on February 16, 2022, 11:56:58 PM
I think Rice is the best of all those 4 and he didn't get booked as much as the rest who are all agressive.By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Or 43 capped French internationals?
For what it's worth, I also think that Bissouma and Ndidi may go elsewhere in the summer, if they move at all. But an upgrade on them IS Phillips and IS Rice, therefore, the likes of Bissouma and Ndidi are second rate in comparison to Rice and Phillips, which is perhaps why we might be in for them.
Rice is like a limited Rodri
Works well for West Ham not sure he's a champs league level player though and Phillips is certainly no Pirlo or even Jorginho when it comes to controlling and playing football from my eyes.
Phillips isn't the player we need and I'm not sure he'd be all that great anywhere that doesn't use 2 6s. His defensive work just isn't that great.
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Talk of Bissouma, Ndidi, Phillips and Rice is all delusion, since all four will have their sights on bigger clubs with European involvement.Phillips isn't the player we need and I'm not sure he'd be all that great anywhere that doesn't use 2 6s. His defensive work just isn't that great.I think Rice is the best of all those 4 and he didn't get booked as much as the rest who are all agressive.By the same logic why would Coutinho come to us?
Or 43 capped French internationals?
For what it's worth, I also think that Bissouma and Ndidi may go elsewhere in the summer, if they move at all. But an upgrade on them IS Phillips and IS Rice, therefore, the likes of Bissouma and Ndidi are second rate in comparison to Rice and Phillips, which is perhaps why we might be in for them.
Rice is like a limited Rodri
Works well for West Ham not sure he's a champs league level player though and Phillips is certainly no Pirlo or even Jorginho when it comes to controlling and playing football from my eyes.
Lange's task is to find the next player in that category. I'm not hopeful, based on his record to date.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2022, 04:42:37 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 07:03:02 PM
Our manager was an exceptional player, and that helps attract players. So we can go for anyone but the absolute best who want immediate Chumps League. Anyone can see that we're heading in an upward trajectory. And on top of that, we have the history, the ground, and owners and a board that do things the right way.
Post by: Steve67 on February 17, 2022, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 17, 2022, 08:54:54 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2022, 11:38:09 PM
Bissouma was realistic in Jan. I agree, probably not in the summer but not impossible. The rest I agree, dilusional to think we'd get any of them - particulalry Rice.
Really need a strong finish to the season to convince players we are a club on the up and worth joining. Much harder to do that if the season just peters out and we end up in the lower end of mid table.
Post by: Dave P on February 18, 2022, 06:47:45 AM
Would not be surprised if we were back in for him in the summer, especially if he has games at right back in his locker as well.
Post by: OCD on February 18, 2022, 11:19:24 AM
We are looking for a 21 year old patrick viera , how hard can it be ?
I would happily settle for a 21 year old Andrea Pirlo.
Post by: LukeJames on February 18, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Post by: trinityoap on February 18, 2022, 11:35:52 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 18, 2022, 12:01:05 PM
I'd settle for a 21yr. old Ursula Andress.
We'll end up with Andrea Leadsom. Her age is irrelevant.
Post by: paul_e on February 18, 2022, 12:39:16 PM
We are looking for a 21 year old patrick viera , how hard can it be ?
I honestly don't think we are because we have a couple of 18 year olds who might well be that in a few years time (Carney Chuk and Tim Iroegbunam). I suspect it'll be someone much closer to their prime that we bring in.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2022, 06:47:21 PM
We can have a close look at him next week provided he's not dropped
Post by: paul_e on February 21, 2022, 12:01:51 PM
If you see Bissouma meanderous display vs Burnley wouldn't be worth the 50mil he was struggling to play the DM role wrong side of play.
We can have a close look at him next week provided he's not dropped
He's had a few games like that that I've seen which has always made me a little unsure on whether he's the player we need, he has the physicality but doesn't read the game particularly well.
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2022, 02:13:55 PM
I'd still be looking at Shkiri from Koln though, will be in the last year of his contract come the summer and I'd imagine wouldn't cost more than about £10-15m. For me he's one of the most underrated players around right now because he has everything you'd want from a top DM; never stops running, reads the game well, good touch, can pass and tackle, good in the air and is a decent finisher when he gets forward, I think he'd be perfect for what we need, freeing up the other midfielders to drift forward more, covering in front of the centre backs and able to get on the ball and pass through midfield.I know nothing about Shkiri but with Nakamba and Tim on the books, an experienced addition would perhaps suffice, without us needing to break the bank.
Talk of £50m for Bissouma makes me very nervous that we're blowing the bank.
Post by: villabear on February 28, 2022, 12:24:36 PM
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2022, 12:33:21 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
One game isn't enough to make any sort of judgement on, surely? You'd hope that the recruitment team would have done their homework on him before making the bid. He had more touches and passes than any Villa player. I guess his defensive ability wasn't needed as much because they had ⅔ of the possession.
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
One game isn't enough to make any sort of judgement on, surely? You'd hope that the recruitment team would have done their homework on him before making the bid. He had more touches and passes than any Villa player. I guess his defensive ability wasn't needed as much because they had ⅔ of the possession.
You could maybe ask why there wasn't a Brighton player in Sussex when Cash picked up that loose ball on the edge of the box. That would concern me a bit.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
One game isn't enough to make any sort of judgement on, surely?
Mind you, to be fair you saw four minutes of Tim and reckon he looked better than Chukwemeka.
Post by: dave shelley on February 28, 2022, 01:03:13 PM
I wonder if it's injury related or maybe he's made it known he's not going to accept a new contract and Gerrard has perhaps thought fuck him, if he isn't signing I'll not waste anymore time on him given what's coming up behind him. Just guessing.
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2022, 01:05:54 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
One game isn't enough to make any sort of judgement on, surely?
Mind you, to be fair you saw four minutes of Tim and reckon he looked better than Chukwemeka.
Bloody hell Clampy, bad weekend?
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2022, 01:11:17 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
One game isn't enough to make any sort of judgement on, surely?
Mind you, to be fair you saw four minutes of Tim and reckon he looked better than Chukwemeka.
Bloody hell Clampy, bad weekend?
No, great weekend, we won.
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2022, 01:12:56 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2022, 02:51:36 PM
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2022, 03:06:53 PM
I've never been completely sold on Bissouma, at £20-25m I'd be ok with it but the sort of price that's been mentioned is ridiculous.
Hard to say Paul. Most teams from 4th down to 14th are massively inconsistent, and I think the same goes for a lot of the players. I know lots of Leicester fans round here, and they're saying the same thing about Ndidi. Some think he's their Kante, others think he's been really disappointing this year. Look at McGinn. Had a very good game against Brighton, and if that was the only time you'd watched him this season you'd think he was great. If the only game you saw him in was the Newcastle game you'd think he was rubbish. I think you could make the same point about lots of players in most of the league.
Post by: robleflaneur on February 28, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
Speaking of Chukwemeka, I don't know why he didn't make the bench on Saturday, anyone know why?I think you're right to suggest that Gerrard won't include him as he's unwilling to sign a new contract.
I wonder if it's injury related or maybe he's made it known he's not going to accept a new contract and Gerrard has perhaps thought fuck him, if he isn't signing I'll not waste anymore time on him given what's coming up behind him. Just guessing.
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2022, 03:29:56 PM
Speaking of Chukwemeka, I don't know why he didn't make the bench on Saturday, anyone know why?
I wonder if it's injury related or maybe he's made it known he's not going to accept a new contract and Gerrard has perhaps thought fuck him, if he isn't signing I'll not waste anymore time on him given what's coming up behind him. Just guessing.
My guess is that Buendia (and bailey) were first reserve for any attacking substitution whereas Tim offered a more defensive alternative.
Post by: paul_e on February 28, 2022, 04:43:32 PM
I've never been completely sold on Bissouma, at £20-25m I'd be ok with it but the sort of price that's been mentioned is ridiculous.
Hard to say Paul. Most teams from 4th down to 14th are massively inconsistent, and I think the same goes for a lot of the players. I know lots of Leicester fans round here, and they're saying the same thing about Ndidi. Some think he's their Kante, others think he's been really disappointing this year. Look at McGinn. Had a very good game against Brighton, and if that was the only time you'd watched him this season you'd think he was great. If the only game you saw him in was the Newcastle game you'd think he was rubbish. I think you could make the same point about lots of players in most of the league.
True but I think Bissouma has, by some, been billed as this all conquering superstar that will fix all our problems, and that's both out of line with his performances and completely unfair as an expectation. He's ok and would probably make us a stronger squad but I don't think he's the player that some people want him to be and if he'd come for £50m in Jan I suspect we'd already have people maoning about the waste of money. I think there's probably only 4-5 players in the world that are of the quality that people seem to expect from Bissouma and he's not there (but may reach that level). I think I've just convinced myself that what we really need is someone a bit older who is a bit more streetwise, more Romeu than JWP for example.
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2022, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: frank black on February 28, 2022, 05:08:08 PM
I've never been completely sold on Bissouma, at £20-25m I'd be ok with it but the sort of price that's been mentioned is ridiculous.
Hard to say Paul. Most teams from 4th down to 14th are massively inconsistent, and I think the same goes for a lot of the players. I know lots of Leicester fans round here, and they're saying the same thing about Ndidi. Some think he's their Kante, others think he's been really disappointing this year. Look at McGinn. Had a very good game against Brighton, and if that was the only time you'd watched him this season you'd think he was great. If the only game you saw him in was the Newcastle game you'd think he was rubbish. I think you could make the same point about lots of players in most of the league.
True but I think Bissouma has, by some, been billed as this all conquering superstar that will fix all our problems, and that's both out of line with his performances and completely unfair as an expectation. He's ok and would probably make us a stronger squad but I don't think he's the player that some people want him to be and if he'd come for £50m in Jan I suspect we'd already have people maoning about the waste of money. I think there's probably only 4-5 players in the world that are of the quality that people seem to expect from Bissouma and he's not there (but may reach that level). I think I've just convinced myself that what we really need is someone a bit older who is a bit more streetwise, more Romeu than JWP for example.
I have complete faith that he’s every bit the player that will make a massive difference to us. He’s excellent IMO, if we get him for 30 mil or less it’ll be daylight robbery
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2022, 08:12:29 PM
I've never been completely sold on Bissouma, at £20-25m I'd be ok with it but the sort of price that's been mentioned is ridiculous.
Hard to say Paul. Most teams from 4th down to 14th are massively inconsistent, and I think the same goes for a lot of the players. I know lots of Leicester fans round here, and they're saying the same thing about Ndidi. Some think he's their Kante, others think he's been really disappointing this year. Look at McGinn. Had a very good game against Brighton, and if that was the only time you'd watched him this season you'd think he was great. If the only game you saw him in was the Newcastle game you'd think he was rubbish. I think you could make the same point about lots of players in most of the league.
True but I think Bissouma has, by some, been billed as this all conquering superstar that will fix all our problems, and that's both out of line with his performances and completely unfair as an expectation. He's ok and would probably make us a stronger squad but I don't think he's the player that some people want him to be and if he'd come for £50m in Jan I suspect we'd already have people maoning about the waste of money. I think there's probably only 4-5 players in the world that are of the quality that people seem to expect from Bissouma and he's not there (but may reach that level). I think I've just convinced myself that what we really need is someone a bit older who is a bit more streetwise, more Romeu than JWP for example.
We could sign Messi and some would say it's a waste of money.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 28, 2022, 08:57:25 PM
Max Aarons flying right back from Norwich
Leeds Stuart Dallas who can midfield also play full back Kalivin Phillips for midfield
I would add one of the Watford attackers Dennis or Sarr
Winger Dwight McNeil Burnley
If we brought in 4 of them plus 3 word class big name players like Isco who is out of contact in summer or Wijnaldum from PSG for attacking midfield with say a a 30 plus year olds in Robert Firmino or Thomas Muller in attack and Gündogan or Milner for midfield who would all be likely surplus then we be really flying.
Add the youth players back from loan to be integrated we won't be far off top 6.
Just maybe one or two central defenders for the top 4 would need someone from athletico in swap deal for Cash so maybe Gimenez centre back or Savic both class defenders
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2022, 09:00:46 PM
For squad depth I would bring in any of those relegatedThey would all do well in the Championship.
Max Aarons flying right back from Norwich
Leeds Stuart Dallas who can midfield also play full back Kalivin Phillips for midfield
I would add one of the Watford attackers Dennis or Sarr
Winger Dwight McNeil Burnley
If we brought in 4 of them plus 3 word class big name players like Isco who is out of contact in summer or Wijnaldum from PSG for attacking midfield with say a a 30 plus year olds in Robert Firmino or Thomas Muller in attack and Gündogan or Milner for midfield who would all be likely surplus then we be really flying.
Add the youth players back from loan to be integrated we won't be far off pp 6.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 28, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
For squad depth I would bring in any of those relegatedThey would all do well in the Championship.
Max Aarons flying right back from Norwich
Leeds Stuart Dallas who can midfield also play full back Kalivin Phillips for midfield
I would add one of the Watford attackers Dennis or Sarr
Winger Dwight McNeil Burnley
If we brought in 4 of them plus 3 word class big name players like Isco who is out of contact in summer or Wijnaldum from PSG for attacking midfield with say a a 30 plus year olds in Robert Firmino or Thomas Muller in attack and Gündogan or Milner for midfield who would all be likely surplus then we be really flying.
Add the youth players back from loan to be integrated we won't be far off pp 6.
They are more squad players to come in with likes of Philips in contention to start and Sarr along with Gimenez , Isco , Gundogan and Firmino the latter 4 providing winners quality.
Post by: brontebilly on March 01, 2022, 12:27:46 AM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
He was outstanding in the game at Villa Park anyway.
Post by: darren woolley on March 01, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
I was there on Saturday and didn't look a £50 million pound player.
Post by: villabear on March 01, 2022, 10:28:37 AM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
He was outstanding in the game at Villa Park anyway.
Outstanding? Didn't we win 2-0?
Post by: Clampy on March 01, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
He was outstanding in the game at Villa Park anyway.
Outstanding? Didn't we win 2-0?
Maybe he had a great game personally but his team mates didn't.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 01, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2022, 12:33:42 PM
Post by: Smithy on March 01, 2022, 02:02:00 PM
It was the sort of thing a top class DM should be clearing up, and placed a little nagging doubt in my mind that maybe Bissouma isn't quite the player we need for that role.
Players lose tackles, obviously - even the very best of them - but he wasn't very convincing in that moment, which could have led to a goal but for a last-ditch sliding tackle from the centre-half.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 01, 2022, 02:10:19 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2022, 02:23:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2022, 02:50:20 PM
Genuine question. Is Bissouma still the answer to our midfield problems after people watched him on Saturday?
I was there on Saturday and didn't look a £50 million pound player.
I trust your scouting report because that's the current state of how he is
And good fair comment on what you saw.
I see he's been off for a while as he had some decent showings as a midfielder in past.
Either the transfer rumours and off field has distracted him understandably or he's not as great as he made out!
I suspect his off field involvement impacted him as has the to and from African nations
Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2022, 03:24:34 PM
The good is that he's strong as an ox and bullies people off the ball, that stands out. The bad is that if he doesn't out-muscle players his technique is a bit iffy. His tracking, positioning, passing and heading is all ok without being stand out. He's not a bad player and would be an upgrade on Nakamba but I don't think he's a 'most expensive player in our history' standard of upgrade.
Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
Is it the case that a top-class striker would convert their possession and chances into goals and wins or is it just that lots of possession in harmless parts of the pitch is great for lots of draws against teams both good and bad but a lack of penetration leaves them stuck in midtable?
I mean we'd love to see the Villa have more control of the midfield in games as that's where we're weak but I'm also glad we're not completely toothless and can go back to front and score quickly too (i.e Watkins' two goals against Brighton this season).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 01, 2022, 06:15:25 PM
Also reported by Fabrizio Romano. Anyone seen him, is he any good?
Post by: frank black on March 01, 2022, 06:50:54 PM
I've mentioned it elsewhere, but there was one small passage of play on Saturday were JJ took the ball into the box and went right through a 50/50 block tackle from Bissouma. At the time I was delighted with JJ, obviously, but looking back, if that was OUR DM losing a 50/50 block tackle against an attacking midfielder on the edge of our box, I'd be furious.
It was the sort of thing a top class DM should be clearing up, and placed a little nagging doubt in my mind that maybe Bissouma isn't quite the player we need for that role.
Players lose tackles, obviously - even the very best of them - but he wasn't very convincing in that moment, which could have led to a goal but for a last-ditch sliding tackle from the centre-half.
TBF it was in the box at the time and he’s probably not going to be as wholehearted. Also JJ is actually quite a tough cookie strength wise..
Post by: eamonn on March 01, 2022, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: frank black on March 01, 2022, 06:55:40 PM
Son of a boxer, course he is!
Quality player isn’t he, love how managers have seen it before most of us and played him until he’s bloomed. I wonder who will follow?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 01, 2022, 09:26:52 PM
Another one for the wishlist? https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1498629419455373312
Also reported by Fabrizio Romano. Anyone seen him, is he any good?
A lot of big clubs have been linked with him, so unlikely. Any genuine bid would be a strong statement of our ambition.
No idea if he is a proper DM or more of a generalist.
Post by: Beard82 on March 01, 2022, 09:32:19 PM
is it one to file under PR stunt? Clearly they make some bids public if they think it reflects well on the club.Another one for the wishlist? https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1498629419455373312
Also reported by Fabrizio Romano. Anyone seen him, is he any good?
A lot of big clubs have been linked with him, so unlikely. Any genuine bid would be a strong statement of our ambition.
No idea if he is a proper DM or more of a generalist.
Post by: nigel on March 02, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
Another one for the wishlist? https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1498629419455373312
Also reported by Fabrizio Romano. Anyone seen him, is he any good?
A lot of big clubs have been linked with him, so unlikely. Any genuine bid would be a strong statement of our ambition.
No idea if he is a proper DM or more of a generalist.
I suppose that level of player we have to compete with the big boys
It says he ‘predominantly plays in a 4-2-3-1 formation’
So I suppose you could look at..
Kessie. Iruegbunam
Buendia. Ramsey. Coutinho (if still with us)
Watkins
Post by: KevinGage on March 02, 2022, 02:39:57 PM
is it one to file under PR stunt? Clearly they make some bids public if they think it reflects well on the club.Another one for the wishlist? https://twitter.com/pgr_analytics/status/1498629419455373312
Also reported by Fabrizio Romano. Anyone seen him, is he any good?
A lot of big clubs have been linked with him, so unlikely. Any genuine bid would be a strong statement of our ambition.
No idea if he is a proper DM or more of a generalist.
It's more likely from the player's end - either to draw in a better offer from us, or to tell other clubs to get a move on.
We're not in the habit of leaking that sort of thing.
Post by: mrfuse on March 04, 2022, 03:16:39 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2022, 03:47:02 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 04:01:41 PM
Rumour is Gerrard greatly appreciates the versatile profile of Olympique de Marseille’s Boubacar Kamara & has made the midfielder a priority. A big contract has even already been proposed by Aston Villa.
A big contract is proposed. It's £200 a week but it's printed on A2 paper.
Post by: paul_e on March 04, 2022, 05:08:16 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2022, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: Ian. on March 05, 2022, 10:19:34 AM
Listen, it’s erm, massive.Rumour is Gerrard greatly appreciates the versatile profile of Olympique de Marseille’s Boubacar Kamara & has made the midfielder a priority. A big contract has even already been proposed by Aston Villa.
A big contract is proposed. It's £200 a week but it's printed on A2 paper.
Post by: Mellin on March 05, 2022, 10:31:06 AM
Roberto Carlos on making his debut in English football for a pub team. Must’ve been pretty close to being done considering he talks about it nearly 30 years later.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/05/a-shropshire-lad-roberto-carlos-becomes-a-pub-footballer
Post by: Rigadon on March 05, 2022, 11:16:16 AM
“I’m delighted to come and make debut for an English team. I nearly joined Chelsea in 2007 and Aston Villa in 1995, but it didn’t work out.”
Roberto Carlos on making his debut in English football for a pub team. Must’ve been pretty close to being done considering he talks about it nearly 30 years later.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/05/a-shropshire-lad-roberto-carlos-becomes-a-pub-footballer
Irrational, but that (us nearly getting him in the nineties) made me a bit cross.
Post by: LukeJames on March 05, 2022, 11:28:58 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 05, 2022, 11:41:10 AM
We probably would have stuck him in the reserves, passing time with Carl Tiler and Franz Carr and playing cards at the Bodymoor canteen.
Post by: KevinGage on March 05, 2022, 01:36:26 PM
Did he pull up (m)any trees before the bendy free-kick goal at Le Tournoi'97 that made his fortune for life?
We probably would have stuck him in the reserves, passing time with Carl Tiler and Franz Carr and playing cards at the Bodymoor canteen.
He was in the Brazil squad for that Umbro Cup thing at VP, Goodison and Wembley in 1995, so his reputation was growing. Don't think he was a guaranteed starter back then. Could be wrong.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on March 05, 2022, 01:42:47 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 06, 2022, 01:31:15 PM
I went to the Brazil game at VP and pretty sure he started, think he may have even laid the goal on for The Animal, Edmundo iirc.
Brazil v Sweden? Thought that ended 0-0.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on March 07, 2022, 09:59:49 PM
I went to the Brazil game at VP and pretty sure he started, think he may have even laid the goal on for The Animal, Edmundo iirc.
Brazil v Sweden? Thought that ended 0-0.
Nah, Brazil won 1-0.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 08, 2022, 03:56:38 PM