The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread

[OCD]

I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.

[Monty]

I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.

In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.

Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.

From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.

Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.

I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.

[Steve67]

I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.

What position does he play mate?

[eamonn]

He's Head and Shoulders above the other guys.

[OCD]

I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.

What position does he play mate?

He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.

[Beard82]

I read earlier that we want James McAtee off Man City. Highly rated 19 year old.

What position does he play mate?

He's described as being the next Phil Foden so attacking midfielder presumably.

Or - massive shagger

[Brazilian Villain]

He's Head and Shoulders above the other guys.

Is there a release clause we can Trigger?

[Sexual Ealing]

I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.

In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.

Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.

From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.

Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.

I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.

I know that it's become a seemingly controversial position (and as someone who will never be subjected to it, it's a difficult point for me to make, and I would always defer to others who might), there are degrees of racism. There is the notional nan as mentioned above, there are Daily Mail readers, there's Boris Johnson, there's Adolf Hitler, and there's John Terry. All racists. Not all the same.

[charlatan]

Coming over here with your moral relativity....

[LeonW]

We are not signing Suarez.

It was lazy stupid journalism with not one credible source. Even those wankers at Sky have said its not happening.

That surely means that it's happening. Other week they said we weren’t interested in Coutinho. Hmm.

[ROBBO]

Well I was supremely confident the American public would not elect Trump, I tend to tone down my absolutes these days.

[Monty]

I have it on good authority from an Argentinian friend that 'negrito' over there isn't exactly super-classy, but really doesn't sound like it does in English. That obviously speaks to structural racism issues in those countries, and I've read some points of view that say they wish people paid more attention to language like this, as it reflects those inequalities and lasting bigotries (especially in Brazil, which let's-not-forget abolished slavery in 1888!). But before issuing blanket condemnations of one culture based on my own I'd rather pause and ask if I'm missing something.

In short, I've read a bunch of people's views on either side on this subject, all from over there, and I'd rather listen to them rather than butting in.

Not that I want Suarez, I think he's not at all the front-foot high-energy forward for the system Gerrard's building. I think it would be a bit jobs-for-the-boys, not to mention a bit of a 'Steven's Liverpool Tribute Act' vibe which would make me be sick out of my eyes.

From listening to people here in Latin America, I make you right. Racism is (rightly, in my view) viewed differently in the UK. I could never condone what he said, but it's like the difference between me, a relatively educated middle-class white 43 year-old calling somebody a 'd*rkie', and your nan having done the same 20 years ago. Not right, but very different.

Also, a club that employed (and largely embraced) John Terry is in no position to take the moral high ground so soon afterwards.

I agree in the main, though I'd be wary of comparisons which suggest that there's a single historical line along which these things run, and that these parts of the world are simply 'behind' us in these ways. For better or worse, Latin American people are to a very great extent mestizos (as you'll know better than me), and will often see their history as intertwined in oppression with black people under the boot of the creol minority rule. It is also true that this historical perception is used by many people (not to mention politicians) as a rather bad faith excuse for racism, but it's not an argument I feel extremely confident to adjudicate on, regardless of my own visceral responses on the matter.

I know that it's become a seemingly controversial position (and as someone who will never be subjected to it, it's a difficult point for me to make, and I would always defer to others who might), there are degrees of racism. There is the notional nan as mentioned above, there are Daily Mail readers, there's Boris Johnson, there's Adolf Hitler, and there's John Terry. All racists. Not all the same.

I think that's a very fair thing to say. Just like their are degrees of (just to pick two random examples) handball, or biting, you know? All acts of c**tery come in degrees.

[N'ZMAV]

I’d keep Targett for the rest of the season. We need two players for each position.

[Clampy]

I’d keep Targett for the rest of the season. We need two players for each position.

Gerrard has said that hasn't he? I wonder if we might see Targett move on in the summer and that lad from Bologna comes in?

[eamonn]

We only play once a week from now on though til the summer.
Two players per position when we're in at least one cup competition sure, but there's going to be plenty of players in the squad not getting much time on the pitch between now and May.

Young can cover Digne if need be. Arguably we're weaker for cover on Cash's side. I don't think Konsa is great there and Kaine Kessler-Hayden is completely untried at this level.

If Noocassil want to spend £20m-25m on Targett and it gives us breathing room with FFP and more scope for summer signings, I'd at least consider it.