The January New Manager Warchest Transfer Thread

[Dante Lavelli]

Seen this a few times, how/why are people so convinced (not on twitter etc so…).

They need something to counteract all the the good news this week.

He 'liked' Coutinho's unveiling pics on social media yesterday (as did Neymar) so not convinced it's been decided either way. I also doubt very much that Gerrard's decision to sign Coutinho hinged on whether Carney had signed a new deal or not.

Exactly.  Carney should be more keen to stay with a signing like that. there’s not many better players to learn from and they’re at  ages where he can seamlessly take his place as the lynchpin over the next two or three years.

[Toronto Villa]

Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.

we've had a lot pof players with potential who amounted to nothing. Carney has proven nothing so far. If he wants to gamble on himself and go elsewhere that's fine. Right now few better environments to grow.

[Smithy]

Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.

If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.

Totally agree, I suppose he can only do what he’s been doing in the youth or under 23’s but the step up is massive. Gerrard is prepared to give him some game time but at the moment he’s no better than those in front of him and needs to be patient. He shows promise but that’s all at the moment.
Hopefully he’s being advised to bide his time but I doubt it.

I do wonder if he's looked at other top talented teenagers in recent years, and what they've managed to do (Sancho and Bellingham going abroad and becoming internationals as teenagers, Hudson-Odoi courting foreign clubs to get a bumper UK deal as an 18-year-old), and asked himself if we do really rate him as the best of his age group in the country, why aren't we giving him more games?  I'm not sure he's at the level of those three when they were just turned 18, but it might be that those are his reference points for his own career?

[Gareth]

Would it not be beneficial all-round to loan him out to a Championship team? He'd get the game time he wants, at a far higher level than he's been used to most of the time, and we get to see if he's the real McCoy as he's been labelled for the past however long.

If he signs a contract sure he’ll be straight out on loan, if he isn’t going to then we will sell him this month or the summer to get a fee & sell ons rather than the development couple of hundred grand next summer I’d guess

[LeonW]

Local press reported last night Gerrard had specifically referenced uncertainty around Carney in his reasons for going for Coutinho and the Telegraph has reported that he has not accepted a new deal with us. No smoke without fire as Gerrard said the other night.

If that's the case then it's a shame he doesn't see the value in sticking around and developing. Ready to be proven wrong, but I think he's got a ways to go yet.

Totally agree, I suppose he can only do what he’s been doing in the youth or under 23’s but the step up is massive. Gerrard is prepared to give him some game time but at the moment he’s no better than those in front of him and needs to be patient. He shows promise but that’s all at the moment.
Hopefully he’s being advised to bide his time but I doubt it.

I do wonder if he's looked at other top talented teenagers in recent years, and what they've managed to do (Sancho and Bellingham going abroad and becoming internationals as teenagers, Hudson-Odoi courting foreign clubs to get a bumper UK deal as an 18-year-old), and asked himself if we do really rate him as the best of his age group in the country, why aren't we giving him more games?  I'm not sure he's at the level of those three when they were just turned 18, but it might be that those are his reference points for his own career?

Possibly, but would he play any more at a Dortmund or a Chelsea then he would here? Don't get me wrong, I think the fact he's desperate to play is a good thing but I suspect if he was ready he'd be playing. If it's about the money, then let him go.

[Risso]

Carney has looked alright when he's come on, but I haven't seen anything yet to think that he's good enough to be demanding to play, like a Rooney/Owen/Bellingham type.

[ROBBO]

Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.

[paul_e]

Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.

I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more apoearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.

[eamonn]

Does he have a Big I Am agent that's stirring things? Some media-savvy Sky Andrew/Steve Kutner type.

[Ian.]

Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.

I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more apoearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.

I agree Paul

[Mister E]

Ramsey is a good example, he was given an opportunity in short spells to see what he had to offer then when given a start took his chance and is now an ever present, I have not seen the same from chuk, in the limited time he's been given i have not seen a player that says I'm too good to be left out rather I have seen a young player that is short on pace. Hope he proves me wrong.

I disagree, I think the cameos ftom Ramsey last season were about the same as we've seen from Chuk and had just as many people questioning him. Take away the contract uncertainty and I'd like to see him get 7-8 more appearances this year, including a start or 2. Then see how he responds over the summer, Ramsey showed how important that stage is because he came back 'a man'.

I agree Paul

I agree Ian.

[Holy Trinity]

There has been some illegal tapping up going on with Carney and I wouldn't be surprised if after he leaves it comes to light. He looks a fantastic player in the making but I do get a feeling he sees us as beneath him and that opinion seems to have been formed fairly recently. Nothings happened to him at Villa Park to form that opinion so it makes sense that someone else has planted that seed. 18 months left on his contract and I cant see him going now so this is a head ache for the summer I feel, by that time we may be in Europe and he pens a deal anyway.

Also social media update. He's removed us from his Instagram but still follows us and we are still on his twitter as his club but the pics have changed to England shirts for what it's worth.

[caster troy]

We missed a trick last season not playing Chuk instead of Barkley when it was clear he'd lost it and we had nothing to play for. I actually think he'd suit the Gerrard system as he doesn't have the pace to be a winger, but looks good in a left sided number 10 role. We've been unlucky because I imagine part of the plan was to start him in the cups, but we had Chelsea away and United away, so no cup runs. Hopefully we can have a strong finish to the season with a few chances for him to play and we will sort the contract in the summer.

[Beard82]

I think the challange we have at the moment is we dont have many chances to play him in a realtively risk free environment.

We struggling in the league, and there arent many games where we would risk him from the start when we are desperate to climb the table.  We dont really score that many games, so there are no games where we are 2 or 3 up and cruising it. 

We play 2 cup games a season, so can't give him many chances there. 

I think if we cant get into Europe at some point, it will make it easier for us to give young players chances and starts

[algy]

I think the challange we have at the moment is we dont have many chances to play him in a realtively risk free environment.

We struggling in the league, and there arent many games where we would risk him from the start when we are desperate to climb the table.  We dont really score that many games, so there are no games where we are 2 or 3 up and cruising it. 

We play 2 cup games a season, so can't give him many chances there. 

I think if we cant get into Europe at some point, it will make it easier for us to give young players chances and starts

Yeah, I think it's why we need to qualify for Europe - even the Euro Windscreens Shield or whatever it's called. We need the extra however many games a season to support a squad that's deep enough to challenge at the very top.