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Offline rougegorge

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #120 on: April 12, 2022, 12:04:09 PM »
That was a reckless challenge despite getting the ball.

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2022, 12:08:51 PM »
Yes, I thought it was very similar to Mee’s challenge on Wes.

Offline Scott Nielsen

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2022, 12:10:29 PM »
Terrible challenge. If that had been done to a Villa-player we'd be outraged.

Offline RamboandBruno

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2022, 02:14:21 PM »
Mee didnt get anywhere near the ball from memory. It was a tough challenge from Cash, he seem to me to win the ball cleanly with his right foot, with the rest of him catching Doherty. Its tough on Doherty and i hope it doesn’t impact on him long term, but i’m really not sure its a disgraceful challenge from Cash, it was tough tackle.

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2022, 02:17:35 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #125 on: April 12, 2022, 03:02:32 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.
Look at the two stills above Paul, they're virtually identical.  And there was plenty of force too, the only real difference is that Doherty's leg didn't get caught up in the same way Wesleys did.  His only mitigation is that from a wider angle you can see Cash just changes angle slightly to get the ball with his right foot, so arguable it was less pre-meditated than Mee's looked.

Offline Mister E

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #126 on: April 12, 2022, 03:08:05 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.
Look at the two stills above Paul, they're virtually identical.  And there was plenty of force too, the only real difference is that Doherty's leg didn't get caught up in the same way Wesleys did.  His only mitigation is that from a wider angle you can see Cash just changes angle slightly to get the ball with his right foot, so arguable it was less pre-meditated than Mee's looked.
Both were horrible, seen in hindsight.
With Mee, the ball is at chest height when the challenge comes in, and Wesley's right leg is straight and caught between both of Mee's legs. Cash's challenge is for the ball and doesn't appear to be a scissor-challenge (I may be wrong on that; doesn't look it in the picture nor did it look so live).

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #127 on: April 12, 2022, 03:32:43 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.
Look at the two stills above Paul, they're virtually identical.  And there was plenty of force too, the only real difference is that Doherty's leg didn't get caught up in the same way Wesleys did.  His only mitigation is that from a wider angle you can see Cash just changes angle slightly to get the ball with his right foot, so arguable it was less pre-meditated than Mee's looked.
Both were horrible, seen in hindsight.
With Mee, the ball is at chest height when the challenge comes in, and Wesley's right leg is straight and caught between both of Mee's legs. Cash's challenge is for the ball and doesn't appear to be a scissor-challenge (I may be wrong on that; doesn't look it in the picture nor did it look so live).
With Mee the ball was on the floor and he won it.  He then sythed through Wesley just like Cash wins the ball and sythes through Doherty.  I don't see the difference.

Offline nick harper

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #128 on: April 12, 2022, 05:30:21 PM »
The excessive force against a planted leg is very similar. Neither were given as a foul and both players would argue they were only looking at the ball, but it’s the height they arrive at as the knee takes the full impact.

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #129 on: April 12, 2022, 06:01:20 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.
Look at the two stills above Paul, they're virtually identical.  And there was plenty of force too, the only real difference is that Doherty's leg didn't get caught up in the same way Wesleys did.  His only mitigation is that from a wider angle you can see Cash just changes angle slightly to get the ball with his right foot, so arguable it was less pre-meditated than Mee's looked.
Both were horrible, seen in hindsight.
With Mee, the ball is at chest height when the challenge comes in, and Wesley's right leg is straight and caught between both of Mee's legs. Cash's challenge is for the ball and doesn't appear to be a scissor-challenge (I may be wrong on that; doesn't look it in the picture nor did it look so live).
With Mee the ball was on the floor and he won it.  He then sythed through Wesley just like Cash wins the ball and sythes through Doherty.  I don't see the difference.
You may be right about the Mee scenario, Chris; I was there but it was a long time ago.
I wasn't trying to justify either tackle.

Offline Russ aka Big Nose

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #130 on: April 12, 2022, 06:49:42 PM »
It was a very poor tackle and merited a yellow card.

It wasn't as bad as the Mee tackle, but that is no mitigation. Neither is the claim I have seen from a few Villa fans on Twitter saying, "Cash got the ball!"

That has been irrelevant for some time as if a challenge has excessive force or endangers an opponent, then the culprit is guilty of serious foul play.

Offline Exeter 77

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #131 on: April 12, 2022, 07:03:25 PM »
I didn’t think it was as bad as Alan Hutton on Shane Long a few years ago.

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #132 on: April 12, 2022, 07:10:32 PM »
it was poor but nowhere near the level of the mee one.
Look at the two stills above Paul, they're virtually identical.  And there was plenty of force too, the only real difference is that Doherty's leg didn't get caught up in the same way Wesleys did.  His only mitigation is that from a wider angle you can see Cash just changes angle slightly to get the ball with his right foot, so arguable it was less pre-meditated than Mee's looked.

Looking at stills adds nothing, for example look at the Mings on Saka one where 2 different still images completely change how it looks.

Instead watch  both tackles on video at full speed and they're very different.

For me Cash caught him with his trailing leg whereas Mee scissored his leg, neither are great but the latter is far more reckless.

Offline Goldenballs

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #133 on: April 12, 2022, 07:36:44 PM »
To me it was clear that Mee intended to do that to Wes, he could've got to the ball quicker but slowed so he could clatter through Wes.

Doesn't look like Cash set out to deliberately hurt him, but it's a bad challenge very similar to what Mee did.

Online aj2k77

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Re: Matty Cash - Polish international
« Reply #134 on: April 12, 2022, 08:22:09 PM »
I must be blind, it wasn't a scissor tackle and he won the ball fairly in my eyes.

 


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