Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[Duncan Shaw]

With the Beeb leading with it on the Footie page there has got to be legs in it surely, sadly?

[Sexual Ealing]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

Vieira is on his third club.

[Monty]

There are big questions marks over him.

But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.

Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?

It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.

Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.

[boozey182]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

I understand what you are trying to do, and I love to be positive myself - it's commendable. I would ask though, how many of those points on the 'positive' side are actually relevant to how he will do as Villa manager?

✔Winner played and won at highest level - how often does this correlate to being a good manager? Conversely, how often have players with a glittering playing career failed spectacularly as a manager...?
✔huge name in the game - again, this means nothing when it comes to being a manager, other than it makes you more likely that you will get hired for jobs that you aren't qualified for!
✔has a excellent coaching team around him - this is a good point, and the most positive one, but as a team they haven't really been tested.
✔mccalister knows the club - this may help, especially when travelling to training on that first morning.
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings - I'm not really sure what this means.
✔passion - no one can question  that. - To be honest, a passionate manager worries me. I want a cold, calculated manager. I don't want a Scouse Tim Sherwood.
✔can attract massive names to the club - is that true? Surely that will only happen if he is successful, but who is making a decision on where to go based on how good a player the manager was? I may be underestimating this - has he attracted big names to Rangers? Obviously that's not completely fair - it's all relative because and standard is much, much lower up there than it is in the Premier League.

I'm not trying to be snide, and I will obviously still get behind the team if he was appointed. But there is nothing here to think that he is right for us. Or should even be considered.

[Ads]

There are big questions marks over him.

But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.

Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?

It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.

Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.

Yes Gerrard is the biggest gamble of all.

[The_ads]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

[Hillbilly]

And while I’m at it previous legendary Rangers coaches Jock Wallace, Watty Smith and Graeme Souness were all shown to be charlatans when they came south of the border.

[Martin Carruthers]

George Graham won a fair bit, until he was caught with his fingers in the till...

[Sexual Ealing]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.

[paul_e]

There are big questions marks over him.

But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.

Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?

It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.

Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.

Yes Gerrard is the biggest gamble of all.

Yep, that's my problem with it, all the liverpool connection tuff and the fact he's a wanker is background noise, on his managerial career to date there's nothing to suggest he's ready or capable of doing the job we need, that's all that matters. Right now he's behind a bunch of options that I see as equally realistic that are nothing like as much of a shot in the dark.

[boozey182]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I appreciate that you said that you won't post again, so sorry for drawing you in - feel free to not reply - but what are the really strong arguments for hiring him? I genuinely can't think of any, so if you know of any I would love to hear them. I tend to try to look on the bright side, but I'm really struggling to see anything that suggests hiring Gerrard would be anything other than a humongous risk.

[The_ads]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.

Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard

[john e]

The fact that he’s topping polls in local papers is unbelievable

I don’t live in the local area so can’t gauge it but that seems a stretch for me

[andyh]

Simon Jordan gets it.
Like he always does with us.

[Sexual Ealing]

All really good points.

I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa.  We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.

I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.

I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.

Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard

That's not a strong argument.