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Offline Monty

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2025 on: November 09, 2021, 11:37:17 AM »
Average cross conversion rate in the Premier League is one percent. That suggests that the Gerrard style of crosses, from what I've seen, isn't the best strategy.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2026 on: November 09, 2021, 11:37:31 AM »
Yeah I'd agree, the percentages lessen or increase depending on who is delivering the ball, who is the target and who is trying to stop it happening.

My issue is that let's not pretend we're in rarefied air down here. The quality is much better than Scotland even in the Championship.

But...

Two of the world's most expensively assembled sides played on Saturday in a game decided by a cut back cross from a full back and a deep diagonal cross. It was aided by atrocious defending from Fernandes, Bailey, Shaw and De Guea. Let's not get too snooty about the humble but pernially effective cross.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2027 on: November 09, 2021, 11:38:59 AM »
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2028 on: November 09, 2021, 11:40:20 AM »
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.

But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2029 on: November 09, 2021, 11:40:32 AM »
Average cross conversion rate in the Premier League is one percent. That suggests that the Gerrard style of crosses, from what I've seen, isn't the best strategy.

yep, exactly, tht's because a lot of teams put a lot of aimless crosses into the box. Set Pieces is different but from open play if you don't have tactical ideas to create space for the crosser and in the box you're likely to score from one every 5-6 games at best.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2030 on: November 09, 2021, 11:40:55 AM »
It's gonna happen int it? Potter probably won't leave mid-season.  Hasenhuttl hasn't the stardust. Gary McCallister back  ;D

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2031 on: November 09, 2021, 11:43:02 AM »
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.

But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?

Quite, which is why my main point is it's impossible really to draw conclusions from his time at Rangers. And given that it's impossible to draw such conclusions, from either his managerial or playing careers, as to why he should take over the fourth or fifth richest club in England at such a time, then what can possibly be the justification for approaching him?

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2032 on: November 09, 2021, 11:43:52 AM »
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them



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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2033 on: November 09, 2021, 11:46:21 AM »
God help us if he does any good. There will be sporadic fighting breaking out in the back lol

He has managed in Europe a bit, he's had 3 years experience akin to the Championship/league 1 and he's done well enough. He's not going to please many with his appointment, but I think he will suprise a few if he gets his coaching team right.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2034 on: November 09, 2021, 11:48:15 AM »
Man. City are world class at creating overloads down the flanks and getting into good positions to cross or low cutback so it's different strategy to say just giving the ball to Targett and him hitting a cross from well outside the box that just gets easily cleared.

Just depends how well you can drill a squad into it. Moyes got derided years back for a Man. United game when they crossed the ball about 70 times but West Ham nowadays are a very dangerous team from set pieces as they showed v Liverpool.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2035 on: November 09, 2021, 11:49:23 AM »
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

If Gerrard uses Aston Villa as a 3 year stepping stone he probably leaves us in top 8, knocking on Europe’s door which leaves us in a much more attractive proposition to potential managers than it does today.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2036 on: November 09, 2021, 11:50:24 AM »
God help us if he does any good. There will be sporadic fighting breaking out in the back lol

He has managed in Europe a bit, he's had 3 years experience akin to the Championship/league 1 and he's done well enough. He's not going to please many with his appointment, but I think he will suprise a few if he gets his coaching team right.

Agree with this. They've had some good results in Europe for a "pub leaque team" (or some other tired cliché about Scottish football).

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2037 on: November 09, 2021, 11:50:28 AM »
Gerrard is NOT for us. He is not ready to manage the Villa with our current ambitions. He lacks, so far, true substance to handle a club that's backed by  big money to kick on in the Premier League. We need to pick from second tier of best european coaches bearing in mind that those  wanting to manage CL clubs will not come running to us. Gerrard could be the one in 2/3 years time if he builds Rangers into a competitive CL team.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2038 on: November 09, 2021, 11:50:43 AM »
Wes Edens is into his data, apparently, which makes me wonder what on earth stats the Villa boardroom are looking at if Steven F Gerrard is genuinely in the frame to be our boss?  Gerrard's record makes Alex McLeish look like prime Guardiola! Fingers, toes and everything else crossed this turns out to be a similar non-story to the Thierry Henry stuff last time around.

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Re: Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread
« Reply #2039 on: November 09, 2021, 11:51:12 AM »
It's gonna happen int it? Potter probably won't leave mid-season.  Hasenhuttl hasn't the stardust. Gary McCallister back  ;D

McAllister did a very good job for us in difficult circumstances that time.

 


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