Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[john e]

That Liverpool thing will do my head in already is

But the stepping stone thing could be viewed as a positive he won’t be offered the Liverpool job any time soon if he’s rubbish and a dismal failure it will finish him for that level job
So for him to be the next Liverpool manager from us would mean he has been very successful which I will take even if I don’t believe he will be

So the steppingstone fear  thing doesn’t bother me as much as pundits and media talking about Villa being a stepping stone club which is fucking annoying

If it happens and I think it will some of us me included will have to try and get our heads around it
It’s so fucking fucking fucking disappointing but there’s nothing we can do
So we will have to run with it

The only bit of sunlight I can see is we don’t really know what he is all about because he is young and he hasn’t done anything yet so he might prove to be a great manager we don’t know his style of play or anything so You never know

The difference for me with someone like Gerard as opposed to Bruce is we knew everything about Steve Bruce we knew his style of play we knew the players he likes to buy we knew exactly what we were getting
And that’s exactly what we got which was shit

We can’t say that about Gerard yet and that Little grain of hope is what I hang on to

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Simon Jordan talking sense:

Hot favourite Steven Gerrard is not ready for the Aston Villa job, according to pundit Simon Jordan.

The Rangers boss is the front-runner to succeed Dean Smith at Villa Park in what would be his first Premier League manager’s role, having led the Gers to the Scottish Premiership title last season.

It appears Gerrard would be a popular choice among fans, but former Crystal Palace owner Jordan believes Villa should be targeting a more established manager.

But he suspects Rangers will be powerless to prevent Gerrard moving on should he opt to return to the Premier League, where he achieved iconic status as a player.

“Gerrard will probably have a release clause [in his contract],” said Jordan on talkSPORT this morning.

“Rangers can play hard ball as much as they want but if there is a release clause in Steven Gerrard’s contract, which will be compensation-based, Rangers will be whistling down the wind about what they can and can’t do.

“For me, it would be a strange appointment because, despite his achievements in Scotland, we’re talking about a potentially good manager.

“We’re talking about a potential elite manager, a potential Premier League manager.

“And if Aston Villa want reality rather than potential, then then they should go for an established manager.

“If Tottenham [who have just hired Antonio Conte] are an elite club, then why can’t Aston Villa [be], with their wealth and ownership and the size and scale of their club.

“Gerrard is a great name on paper, Gerrard will give them recognisability.

“But the real pull will be winning games and being near the top of the Premier League.

“If they’re building a media business alongside the football operation, then I get the Gerrard equation.

“Villa are pushing to be an elite club now, which is the reason why they’ve taken Dean out.

“But if you’re going for Gerrard, you’re going for an element of potential. It worries me that it’s too early for Gerrard, he hasn’t finished the job at Rangers, and Villa is probably a job that requires a different set of hands.

“I think he is not at the level yet where he will take Villa to the level where they want to be at.”

[paul_e]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

Negatives
He has no experience as a player or manager of not being at a wankfest club
He has no experience of turning around a losing run
He has no evidence to show he's capable of tapping into the potential of players like Chuk whilst keeping preformances and results on track

There's plenty more.

He might be fine but it is a massive gamble and I don'y see any reason why we should be making that gamble right now, if we were Norwich I'd be much more willing to do it.

[Ads]

It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.

But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?

Quite, which is why my main point is it's impossible really to draw conclusions from his time at Rangers. And given that it's impossible to draw such conclusions, from either his managerial or playing careers, as to why he should take over the fourth or fifth richest club in England at such a time, then what can possibly be the justification for approaching him?

There are big questions marks over him.

But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.

Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?

It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.

[pauliewalnuts]

I wonder what line of thinking makes them think Dean Smith didn't have it in his locker to take us to the next level (something I agree on, reluctantly), but Steven Gerrard does?

It would be an absolutely boneheaded appointment on all levels.

[sickbeggar]

It's gonna happen int it? Potter probably won't leave mid-season.  Hasenhuttl hasn't the stardust. Gary McCallister back 

McAllister did a very good job for us in difficult circumstances that time.

I know its just the time thing. Seems an eon ago

[cdbearsfan]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.

✔Winner played and won at highest level

Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.

✔huge name in the game

So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager

✔has a excellent coaching team around him

If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?

✔mccalister knows the club

So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?

✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings

Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?

✔passion - no one can question  that

Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.

✔can attract massive names to the club

We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?

[Sexual Ealing]

The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question  that.
✔can attract massive names to the club

The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them

His playing career means nothing.
His name means nothing.
We don't know who his coaching team will be.
Yes, McAllister did well when Houllier was ill.
Mings has proven time and again that he doesn't deal in nonsense.
Passion?
Can he fuck.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I wonder what line of thinking makes them think Dean Smith didn't have it in his locker to take us to the next level (something I agree on, reluctantly), but Steven Gerrard does?

It would be an absolutely boneheaded appointment on all levels.

Nail on head.

[Grumpy]

Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier

Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)

I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!

NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!

Mate it’s GB & NI
Also NI part of the UK

We are British and can be Irish also if we choose but that only came about after good Friday agreement

Hate to be a pedant but there’s an awful lot of angry loyalists over here who would wave their fist at you on this (and maybe burn some buses)

😂🤣

Anyways

No thanks to Gerard and give me Ten Haag

[ChicagoLion]

Simon Jordan talking sense:

Hot favourite Steven Gerrard is not ready for the Aston Villa job, according to pundit Simon Jordan.

The Rangers boss is the front-runner to succeed Dean Smith at Villa Park in what would be his first Premier League manager’s role, having led the Gers to the Scottish Premiership title last season.

It appears Gerrard would be a popular choice among fans, but former Crystal Palace owner Jordan believes Villa should be targeting a more established manager.

But he suspects Rangers will be powerless to prevent Gerrard moving on should he opt to return to the Premier League, where he achieved iconic status as a player.

“Gerrard will probably have a release clause [in his contract],” said Jordan on talkSPORT this morning.

“Rangers can play hard ball as much as they want but if there is a release clause in Steven Gerrard’s contract, which will be compensation-based, Rangers will be whistling down the wind about what they can and can’t do.

“For me, it would be a strange appointment because, despite his achievements in Scotland, we’re talking about a potentially good manager.

“We’re talking about a potential elite manager, a potential Premier League manager.

“And if Aston Villa want reality rather than potential, then then they should go for an established manager.

“If Tottenham [who have just hired Antonio Conte] are an elite club, then why can’t Aston Villa [be], with their wealth and ownership and the size and scale of their club.

“Gerrard is a great name on paper, Gerrard will give them recognisability.

“But the real pull will be winning games and being near the top of the Premier League.

“If they’re building a media business alongside the football operation, then I get the Gerrard equation.

“Villa are pushing to be an elite club now, which is the reason why they’ve taken Dean out.

“But if you’re going for Gerrard, you’re going for an element of potential. It worries me that it’s too early for Gerrard, he hasn’t finished the job at Rangers, and Villa is probably a job that requires a different set of hands.

“I think he is not at the level yet where he will take Villa to the level where they want to be at.”

spot on.

[Toronto Villa]

Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.

[sickbeggar]

Yep Jordan is spot on. Seems a choice based on marketing and brand recognition.

[Hillbilly]

Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier

Villa's a great club and very traditional. This is a strength but at times it is a weakness- especially with why we sort of have fallen behind since the likes of Wenger, rocked up at Arsenal in the mid 90s. When we have gone continental it hasn't worked out. I remember the 'frog' comments with Houllier and Garde and that dreadful secret santa video in 2015. You only have to look at some of the Scottish stuff too with McLeish and Lambert (even in this thread above somebody says he doesn't want a Scott as manager!). Why should it matter where a manager is from?  Judge people on their CV/competency not where they are from

To be fair I think the poster above says he doesn't want a manager from the Scottish leagues, rather than not wanting somebody who is Scottish. The inference being that the level is so low there.

It might have been me and I want a blanket ban on Scots. Docherty, McLeish and Lambert weren’t from the Scottish leagues, all disastrous in their own way. Ferguson and Dalglish are the only successful Scottish managers of the last 50 years. Every other one barely aspires to mediocre. Scottish coaches are shite. And just to put the fly on the shit, Eric fucking Black.

[cdbearsfan]

Pretty sure O'Neill, for all his faults, isn't a Loyalist. If he wants to think of himself as British or Irish then he can. Suspect he would prefer the latter.