Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

[baddowvillans]

I am not advocating that we should go for fat Frank but surely Lanpard with, a track record of introducing young players, experience of managing in the Premier League, including earning a Champions league place with that young team and then, signing players that formed the basis of the team that Tuchel won the Champions league with would be the better option.  The only thing he doesn't have is being Purslows mate.

And before you shout me down please read again I am NOT advocating Lampard just making a comparison

[The_ads]

I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.

Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.

Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.

The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.

I just don’t get the appeal.

Surely to god, we have higher ambition.

Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan? Dean had never got a team promoted and his highest finish was 11th. That appointment turned out ok. I am not saying that I want SG as manager / head coach, but some of the things I read are strange considering we took a gamble on (at the time) a mid championship manager.

Exactly this. Please don’t push the ‘but he’s never managed in the premier league’ narrative at Gerrard when I’ve seen Favre & Fonseca touted on here.

[ozzjim]

I think Lampard is a poor manager. Chelsea players all said he was tactically lacking, didn't give them detailed instructions etc, and as soon as he spent money it went wrong. Derby was largely based on having Mount and Tamori in the championship.

[Risso]

Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him

Better be quick then...

[paul_e]

Fonseca has a decent record at a few different clubs including in a big league.

Favre has a longcrecord if good football  development of youth players and reasonable success.

Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.

No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.

[simboy]

Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him

Better be quick then...

Suppose that’s one way of making the back pages

[The_ads]

Fonseca has a decent record at a few different clubs including in a big league.

Favre has a longcrecord if good football  development of youth players and reasonable success.

Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.

No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.

But all of those are unknown quantities. Someone clever should be able to find me the Remi Garde thread on here where I’m fairly certainly some would have spoken highly about his 50% win record at Lyon and his cup win.

There’s no way on this planet we should write off anyone that sits in that dugout. You can’t possibly know how working with better players in a league he knows might turn out. Some of the comments I’m reading are a bordering on the offensive to someone yet to walk through the door. I really hope, if he does come, we see a few eggs on faces come May

[lovejoy]

Look at the list if managers who were on the list for Tottenham, then for Norwich  then us and tell me statuswise who we are nearer to.

[PaulTheVillan]

Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him

Isn’t he in a 5 a side team behind closed doors?

[The_ads]

Look at the list if managers who were on the list for Tottenham, then for Norwich  then us and tell me statuswise who we are nearer to.

Think that’s totally unfair. We’re a premier league club in its 3rd season and have finished 17th, 11th and currently 16th. We’re hardly pulling up trees. Spurs on the other hand haven’t finished outside the top 7 for 12 years.

[Beard82]

Sacking Smith without a clear strategy for what we do next is irresponsible, dumb and pointless. If there was a strategy and that strategy was to bring in an unproven manager who happens to be a mate of Purslow then it's a huge risk to take. If it does turn out to be a huge mistake Mr Purslow will exit the club with his mate Stevie G and they'll both walk away with a handsome pay off but I guess that's my cynical side talking. NWSE have been great until now and I'm hoping that they can pull a rabbit out of the bag and surprise us all. Surely they aren't about to allow Christian Purslow to roll the dice and gamble away all their hard work and derail their long term goals and ambitions for the club?

This makes the point better than my angry ranting.

Still, steven bloody gerrard

[Beard82]

I'm worried that we might not have our Villa back if we appoint Gerrard.

I've no doubt he'll say he loved Villa Park, massive club etc but the reality is he'll be using us as a stepping stone to another club. Which fucks me off.

I thought having “our Villa back” was more linked to owners than any head coach? I’m not sure what “having our Villa back” means. We haven’t got Villa back if SG is head coach, but we did with Dean? Is it because Dean is a Villa fan, or a head coach some people like?

That's a good question.  For me what I think it means is:
- Having managers and players that don't just see Villa as a stepping stone to the Sky Six
- Having a club that makes good decisions that form part of a coherent strategy
- Having people talk about Villa doing well - rather than framing the whole conversation
- Achieving so much in the last 3 years that we can consider as attractive enough jobs to get a top managerial name
- Not being content with making up the numbers anymore

[john e]

I think this is Gerard’s job unless he turns down

[Beard82]

Look at the list if managers who were on the list for Tottenham, then for Norwich  then us and tell me statuswise who we are nearer to.

Exactly

[Beard82]

Fonseca has a decent record at a few different clubs including in a big league.

Favre has a longcrecord if good football  development of youth players and reasonable success.

Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.

No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.

But all of those are unknown quantities. Someone clever should be able to find me the Remi Garde thread on here where I’m fairly certainly some would have spoken highly about his 50% win record at Lyon and his cup win.

There’s no way on this planet we should write off anyone that sits in that dugout. You can’t possibly know how working with better players in a league he knows might turn out. Some of the comments I’m reading are a bordering on the offensive to someone yet to walk through the door. I really hope, if he does come, we see a few eggs on faces come May

You're quite right - we'll get behind anyone in the dugout. 

I think the "you cant possibly know..." is a big part of the issue - we can't.  He has never managed players of the quality we have, he has never managed against a team of the quality of Spurs, let alone Man City.

It just feels this appointment is pivotal for so many reasons.  We were on a clear progress path that has stalled, if we do not fix that we will lose Watkins, Emi, and Konsa. 

Worse case, we could go down.  Though I think that is unlikely whoever is our manager

It also feels like this is a key time to make a statement and punch above our weight and prove we are serious about what we want to achieve. 

This to me feels like us accepting our place again

I really hope he is a success, but if he is it will be more by luck than judgement