FFP

[Toronto Villa]

From Paddy Power saying the quiet bit out loud.

https://x.com/paddypower/status/1927397630797066635?s=46

[eamonn]

The £325k a week quoted as Rashford's weekly wage at Yanited is only when they are in the Champions League, right? So I assume our 80% contribution, if that's correct, is of a lower number.

Also in one of the long articles posted in the last couple of pages, there's reference to £70m being spent by Edens and Sawiris on infrastructure. I assume that is mostly BH upgrades and the Brookvale Academy.

[ozzjim]

Forgive me here, but I just don't understand how, after selling Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Philogene, Kellyman, Ireogbunum etc, for what near on £180 million, plus increased turnover to £350 million, how on earth are we still needing to sell at least 2 major players this summer. I get we've bought players, spread over the contract lengths etc, but there still seems a huge mismatch in the rhetoric and the figures

[Dante Lavelli]

Forgive me here, but I just don't understand how, after selling Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Philogene, Kellyman, Ireogbunum etc, for what near on £180 million, plus increased turnover to £350 million, how on earth are we still needing to sell at least 2 major players this summer. I get we've bought players, spread over the contract lengths etc, but there still seems a huge mismatch in the rhetoric and the figures

Isn’t it this year where the grealish bounty falls outside the qualifying period?

[Somniloquism]

Let me save you the bother of seeking their opinions.  According to them, we'll.be facing financial meltdown and will be having to sell all our players and the ground this summer.

There are some on here predicting the same thing.

[Somniloquism]

Forgive me here, but I just don't understand how, after selling Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Philogene, Kellyman, Ireogbunum etc, for what near on £180 million, plus increased turnover to £350 million, how on earth are we still needing to sell at least 2 major players this summer. I get we've bought players, spread over the contract lengths etc, but there still seems a huge mismatch in the rhetoric and the figures

Isn’t it this year where the grealish bounty falls outside the qualifying period?

Last year I thought.

[tomd2103]

Forgive me here, but I just don't understand how, after selling Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Philogene, Kellyman, Ireogbunum etc, for what near on £180 million, plus increased turnover to £350 million, how on earth are we still needing to sell at least 2 major players this summer. I get we've bought players, spread over the contract lengths etc, but there still seems a huge mismatch in the rhetoric and the figures

Isn’t it this year where the grealish bounty falls outside the qualifying period?

That's my understanding of it and it's the point where the substantial loss of £120m (some reports suggest that figure is £96m after deductions) becomes 'year one'.  The PSR figures were explained in an article on Birmingham Live a few months ago:

"Villa lost almost £120m for the 2022/23 accounting period, but Swiss Ramble figures estimate that the loss this time around will be around £82m. With allowable deductions of around £27m, up £3m from the previous year, and with the June player sales of the likes of Tim Iroegbunam, Omari Kellyman and Douglas Luiz realising profit, and to be accounted for in the soon-to-be published 2023/24 accounts, the PSR net result for the year is estimated to be a negative £20m.

"What that means in terms of the rolling three-year picture, which includes a positive PSR net result of £22m for 2021/22, a period when Villa sold Jack Grealish to Manchester City for £100m, and a £96m PSR deficit for 2022/23, is that Villa are estimated to fall £12m under the threshold for PSR for the current assessment period, meaning that they are likely to escape any Premier League punishment for breaching".

"However, there is work to be done, and the desire for Villa to raise the PSR threshold to £135m from £105m over three years, which they argued in favour of, is understandable given the tight breathing space".

"The Swiss Ramble figures forecast that, as things stand, Villa would only be able to post a £17m loss in 2024/25 to be compliant with PSR, and that takes into consideration the increased revenue that is to be enjoyed this season, a rise of some £45m anticipated".

[Percy McCarthy]

Forgive me here, but I just don't understand how, after selling Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Philogene, Kellyman, Ireogbunum etc, for what near on £180 million, plus increased turnover to £350 million, how on earth are we still needing to sell at least 2 major players this summer. I get we've bought players, spread over the contract lengths etc, but there still seems a huge mismatch in the rhetoric and the figures

Isn’t it this year where the grealish bounty falls outside the qualifying period?

That's my understanding of it and it's the point where the substantial loss of £120m (some reports suggest that figure is £96m after deductions) becomes 'year one'.  The PSR figures were explained in an article on Birmingham Live a few months ago:

"Villa lost almost £120m for the 2022/23 accounting period, but Swiss Ramble figures estimate that the loss this time around will be around £82m. With allowable deductions of around £27m, up £3m from the previous year, and with the June player sales of the likes of Tim Iroegbunam, Omari Kellyman and Douglas Luiz realising profit, and to be accounted for in the soon-to-be published 2023/24 accounts, the PSR net result for the year is estimated to be a negative £20m.

"What that means in terms of the rolling three-year picture, which includes a positive PSR net result of £22m for 2021/22, a period when Villa sold Jack Grealish to Manchester City for £100m, and a £96m PSR deficit for 2022/23, is that Villa are estimated to fall £12m under the threshold for PSR for the current assessment period, meaning that they are likely to escape any Premier League punishment for breaching".

"However, there is work to be done, and the desire for Villa to raise the PSR threshold to £135m from £105m over three years, which they argued in favour of, is understandable given the tight breathing space".

"The Swiss Ramble figures forecast that, as things stand, Villa would only be able to post a £17m loss in 2024/25 to be compliant with PSR, and that takes into consideration the increased revenue that is to be enjoyed this season, a rise of some £45m anticipated".

Well, the rise turned out to be double that.

[ROBBO]

I don't know how they can penalise any club without the Man City debacle being adjudicated and them being demoted to league 1.

[ChicagoLion]

I don't know how they can penalise any club without the Man City debacle being adjudicated and them being demoted to league 1.

I am pretty sure that any club would try and use that in mitigation.

[sid1964]

It does seem as though whatever we do as a club (get into the later stages of the champions league etc..) it is never enough to get us out of our FFP situation

Other clubs don’t seem to have issues so why do we?

Another few weeks of seeing who stays or goes

[dorsetvillian]

Do we know what other clubs in the Prem need to sell players before the end of June, like us, or is it only Villa?

[Percy McCarthy]

It does seem as though whatever we do as a club (get into the later stages of the champions league etc..) it is never enough to get us out of our FFP situation

Other clubs don’t seem to have issues so why do we?

Because we actively try to invest in the squad to the absolute legal limit.

[Rigadon]

Meanwhile, supposedly skint Man Utd spend £60m on a wolves player. 

[ozzjim]

And are in talks for Delapm and Mbuemo. Cunha and Mbuemo were both in the opta team of the season based on stats this season, so 2 of the highest performers this season go to a team finishing 15th because they have such massive revenue. There will never be a level playing field. Man City and Chelsea grew through massive owner input before the rules. Villa, Newcastle, Forest etc are going to keep hitting that ceiling. There was a gate receipt stat yesterday where we're miles off £ per fan with a smaller ground than those around us too. Until that commercial number hits £450m I reckon we're selling a player or 2 we don't want to every season.