FFP

[Rigadon]

Fuck FFP.  Nobody else seems to bother complying with it and nothing much happens. 

[caster troy]

Maybe we could sue the FA for lost earnings after Sunday and leave that court case in permanent limbo like the Man City one, blocking any PSR action in the meantime.

[paul_e]

Now to offer some thoughts of my own.

£252m was over 13 months not 12, so if nothing had changed we'd have been looking at £232m for last year.

As a % of the £360m figure (which I think is a safe guess) it's almost exactly 70%.

Since then we've had outs of:
Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, Luiz, Chambers, Moreno (and some kids) for the year. I'd reckon that lot accounts for something towards £30m saved (£202m running cost)
and
Carlos, Duran, Buendia (and some kids) for 5-6months. I'd say another £4-5m saved here, lets be conservative (£198m)

Inbound:
Onana, Maatsen, Barkley, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior (and some kids). Given the figures floating around on line I'm guess that's about £20m (so £218m)
and
Malen, Garcia, Disasi, Rashford, Asensio. Again going by online guess that about £15m (so £233m)

There's been a few new contracts on top and I suspect missing out on the top 4 means lower bonuses so lets account for those and add another £17m to the bill as a safe bet. That'd leave us with a wage bill of £250m which is just inside the 70%. To me that makes perfect sense because we knew it was a target and both Monchi and Vidagany talked about needing to be mindful of it when we sold Diaby.

On sales we made a decent profit overall for the season (about £45m) and once you account for incomings being amortised it's probably a fair bit higher than that, largely due to the £60m profit on Duran.

[Percy McCarthy]

Excellent summary Paul. So refreshing to read/hear/see some intelligent thoughts on the subject after listening to all the clueless podcasters.

[Stu82]

Yes good work Paul.

[Percy McCarthy]

Daily or Birmingham?

Birmingham.

[Ads]

I've given up worrying about it. Not to diminish the debate or the effort people put in, but I've just accepted we'll be fucked over, regardless, but persevere anyway.

[brontebilly]

I did think it was odd last January that we brought the likes of Rashford, Asensio and Disasi onto the wage bill if we were running as close to the line as was being reported. Rashford and Asensio were key to beating Brugge which must have generated some additional prize money too.

[Ads]

Got us another 10 or 12m

[astonvilla82]

Now to offer some thoughts of my own.

£252m was over 13 months not 12, so if nothing had changed we'd have been looking at £232m for last year.

As a % of the £360m figure (which I think is a safe guess) it's almost exactly 70%.

Since then we've had outs of:
Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, Luiz, Chambers, Moreno (and some kids) for the year. I'd reckon that lot accounts for something towards £30m saved (£202m running cost)
and
Carlos, Duran, Buendia (and some kids) for 5-6months. I'd say another £4-5m saved here, lets be conservative (£198m)

Inbound:
Onana, Maatsen, Barkley, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior (and some kids). Given the figures floating around on line I'm guess that's about £20m (so £218m)
and
Malen, Garcia, Disasi, Rashford, Asensio. Again going by online guess that about £15m (so £233m)

There's been a few new contracts on top and I suspect missing out on the top 4 means lower bonuses so lets account for those and add another £17m to the bill as a safe bet. That'd leave us with a wage bill of £250m which is just inside the 70%. To me that makes perfect sense because we knew it was a target and both Monchi and Vidagany talked about needing to be mindful of it when we sold Diaby.

On sales we made a decent profit overall for the season (about £45m) and once you account for incomings being amortised it's probably a fair bit higher than that, largely due to the £60m profit on Duran.

I don't think these figures are correct,so I am popping over to the Birmingham biggest club in the world forum for legal clarification on the matter

[paul_e]

Now to offer some thoughts of my own.

£252m was over 13 months not 12, so if nothing had changed we'd have been looking at £232m for last year.

As a % of the £360m figure (which I think is a safe guess) it's almost exactly 70%.

Since then we've had outs of:
Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, Luiz, Chambers, Moreno (and some kids) for the year. I'd reckon that lot accounts for something towards £30m saved (£202m running cost)
and
Carlos, Duran, Buendia (and some kids) for 5-6months. I'd say another £4-5m saved here, lets be conservative (£198m)

Inbound:
Onana, Maatsen, Barkley, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior (and some kids). Given the figures floating around on line I'm guess that's about £20m (so £218m)
and
Malen, Garcia, Disasi, Rashford, Asensio. Again going by online guess that about £15m (so £233m)

There's been a few new contracts on top and I suspect missing out on the top 4 means lower bonuses so lets account for those and add another £17m to the bill as a safe bet. That'd leave us with a wage bill of £250m which is just inside the 70%. To me that makes perfect sense because we knew it was a target and both Monchi and Vidagany talked about needing to be mindful of it when we sold Diaby.

On sales we made a decent profit overall for the season (about £45m) and once you account for incomings being amortised it's probably a fair bit higher than that, largely due to the £60m profit on Duran.

I don't think these figures are correct,so I am popping over to the Birmingham biggest club in the world forum for legal clarification on the matter

I know you're joking but, just for clarity, the increases and decreases are mostly guesswork based on rumoured wages, etc but I doubt it's going to be far off either way.

[OCD]

I don't think we spend £20m+ on Malen and £7m on the Turkish lad if we're really worried about PSR.

[paul_e]

I don't think we spend £20m+ on Malen and £7m on the Turkish lad if we're really worried about PSR.

or authorise something around £10-12m in wages for Asensio, Rashford and Disasi. That's why I suspect my numbers above are pretty close, I just can't see them knowingly going over the 70% by any meaningful amount.

For Premier League FFP I'd be surprised if we don't report a decent sized profit for this season, with something like selling the womens team to ourselves as the option to top that up to ensure we're well within the 3 year average.

[tomd2103]

Now to offer some thoughts of my own.

£252m was over 13 months not 12, so if nothing had changed we'd have been looking at £232m for last year.

As a % of the £360m figure (which I think is a safe guess) it's almost exactly 70%.

Since then we've had outs of:
Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, Luiz, Chambers, Moreno (and some kids) for the year. I'd reckon that lot accounts for something towards £30m saved (£202m running cost)
and
Carlos, Duran, Buendia (and some kids) for 5-6months. I'd say another £4-5m saved here, lets be conservative (£198m)

Inbound:
Onana, Maatsen, Barkley, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior (and some kids). Given the figures floating around on line I'm guess that's about £20m (so £218m)
and
Malen, Garcia, Disasi, Rashford, Asensio. Again going by online guess that about £15m (so £233m)

There's been a few new contracts on top and I suspect missing out on the top 4 means lower bonuses so lets account for those and add another £17m to the bill as a safe bet. That'd leave us with a wage bill of £250m which is just inside the 70%. To me that makes perfect sense because we knew it was a target and both Monchi and Vidagany talked about needing to be mindful of it when we sold Diaby.

On sales we made a decent profit overall for the season (about £45m) and once you account for incomings being amortised it's probably a fair bit higher than that, largely due to the £60m profit on Duran.

I don't think these figures are correct,so I am popping over to the Birmingham biggest club in the world forum for legal clarification on the matter

Let me save you the bother of seeking their opinions.  According to them, we'll.be facing financial meltdown and will be having to sell all our players and the ground this summer.

[walsall villain]

Now to offer some thoughts of my own.

£252m was over 13 months not 12, so if nothing had changed we'd have been looking at £232m for last year.

As a % of the £360m figure (which I think is a safe guess) it's almost exactly 70%.

Since then we've had outs of:
Diaby, Lenglet, Zaniolo, Luiz, Chambers, Moreno (and some kids) for the year. I'd reckon that lot accounts for something towards £30m saved (£202m running cost)
and
Carlos, Duran, Buendia (and some kids) for 5-6months. I'd say another £4-5m saved here, lets be conservative (£198m)

Inbound:
Onana, Maatsen, Barkley, Barrenechea, Iling-Junior (and some kids). Given the figures floating around on line I'm guess that's about £20m (so £218m)
and
Malen, Garcia, Disasi, Rashford, Asensio. Again going by online guess that about £15m (so £233m)

There's been a few new contracts on top and I suspect missing out on the top 4 means lower bonuses so lets account for those and add another £17m to the bill as a safe bet. That'd leave us with a wage bill of £250m which is just inside the 70%. To me that makes perfect sense because we knew it was a target and both Monchi and Vidagany talked about needing to be mindful of it when we sold Diaby.

On sales we made a decent profit overall for the season (about £45m) and once you account for incomings being amortised it's probably a fair bit higher than that, largely due to the £60m profit on Duran.

I don't think these figures are correct,so I am popping over to the Birmingham biggest club in the world forum for legal clarification on the matter

Let me save you the bother.  We'll.be facing financial meltdown, will be having to sell all our players and the ground this summer.

It’s worse than that. The club want us to return all those free scarves they dished out so they can flog them on eBay.