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Re: FFP
« Reply #4035 on: March 07, 2025, 10:51:44 AM »
All sound points, but Kamara is the 'right' age, is better than nearly all those players and can also do a decent job at CH and is money driven.

I suppose my fear is that maybe, if we cant agree a new contract, we'd get what we can this summer rather than nothing the next.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4036 on: March 07, 2025, 10:58:24 AM »
All sound points, but Kamara is the 'right' age, is better than nearly all those players and can also do a decent job at CH and is money driven.

I suppose my fear is that maybe, if we cant agree a new contract, we'd get what we can this summer rather than nothing the next.

Definitely the contract thing would come into play - but I think he's here until summer 2027. Although I guess if we didn't sell this summer and he didn't extend he'd probably do the same to us as he did to Marseille.

But at least then we'd be getting another two years out of him.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4037 on: March 07, 2025, 11:06:59 AM »
Salary caps won't really work in a global sport, and even if there was a way to implement it clubs would just work around it. Loading money into bonuses, signing on fees, image rights or whatever way they can.

The current rules aren't perfect but they're also the only thing stopping some clubs from potentially breaking football.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4038 on: March 07, 2025, 11:13:00 AM »
Ah, I thought he was going into his last year.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4039 on: March 07, 2025, 11:37:54 AM »
It's easy to get angry about how football is structured with clubs making revenue of over £700m and then unsurprisingly, wages around the 50% mark. So ~£350m and more than our revenue.

Then you've got the co-efficient factor that meant that Man City made more in the Champions League than we did.

it's geared up to make it as difficult as possible for upstarts to challenge the elite.

On the other hand though, once we've become a part of the elite, we'll be glad for it. And it has helped stop Newcastle from just throwing hundreds of millions against the wall through state ownership.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4040 on: March 07, 2025, 11:57:10 AM »
All sound points, but Kamara is the 'right' age, is better than nearly all those players and can also do a decent job at CH and is money driven.

I suppose my fear is that maybe, if we cant agree a new contract, we'd get what we can this summer rather than nothing the next.

Definitely the contract thing would come into play - but I think he's here until summer 2027. Although I guess if we didn't sell this summer and he didn't extend he'd probably do the same to us as he did to Marseille.

But at least then we'd be getting another two years out of him.

I am content with that.  Of course we offer a new contract but if he doesn't sign then we accept he leaves on a free.  That's still two years of value on the pitch plus the fact we can put a succession plans in place (maybe further loans for Enzo and Bogarde so they are both oven ready in 2027).

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4041 on: March 07, 2025, 12:23:20 PM »
Is the £50m we'll get for him this summer worth more than an extra season with him in the team?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4042 on: March 07, 2025, 12:29:50 PM »
Is the £50m we'll get for him this summer worth more than an extra season with him in the team?

For £50 million we should keep him for the next two years.  This is a world, however, where Chelsea spent £115 million on Moises Caicedo, so I'd suspect we'd be holding out for a lot more than £50 miliion.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4043 on: March 07, 2025, 01:07:17 PM »
Which we would if he had more than 12 months on his contract....

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4044 on: March 07, 2025, 01:14:58 PM »
Dave above reckons he has 24 months left, I still think that regrettably we might see him go this summer if he doesn't sign up, it will be the last chance to obtain full market value and we seem to be preparing for it with the purchases of Onana and Enzo.

This is just the price of trying to compete, UE seems to have been used to it pretty much everywhere else hes been.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4045 on: March 07, 2025, 01:15:04 PM »
Which we would if he had more than 12 months on his contract....

He does doesn't he? 5 year contract in 2022 wasn't it?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4046 on: March 07, 2025, 01:18:43 PM »
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/23/villa-announce-boubacar-kamara-signing/

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23.05.2022

Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Boubacar Kamara on a five-year contract.

The 22-year-old midfielder, who has just won his first call-up to the France national team after a fantastic season at Olympique Marseille, will join Villa following the expiry of his contract with the French club.

Five years = summer 2027

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4047 on: March 07, 2025, 01:20:25 PM »
So next summer (26) is the cruch time.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4048 on: March 07, 2025, 01:25:34 PM »
So next summer (26) is the cruch time.

Or as PeterWithe suggests, maybe if he's not signing again we decide that £60m is worth taking this summer rather than £30m the summer after or nothing the summer after.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4049 on: March 07, 2025, 01:46:09 PM »
So next summer (26) is the cruch time.

Or as PeterWithe suggests, maybe if he's not signing again we decide that £60m is worth taking this summer rather than £30m the summer after or nothing the summer after.

£60 million still doesn't get anyone to the table this summer - a similar fee to what we got for Diaby or Duran is not enough for someone who would be one of the most sought after midfielders in Europe, and who isn't even 26 years old yet.

 


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