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Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4065 on: March 07, 2025, 11:32:02 PM »
Shouldn't be talking about a Rolls Royce like Kamara going for anything like £50 million.

Particularly in a world where a plodder like Solanke goes to a mid table outfit for £60 million.

But that is always the danger when you sell your best outfield player for €20 million plus a few tracksuits and a bag of spuds last summer. Clubs will come in and think they can take the piss.

A bit harsh. It was €50m and we were facing a points deduction had we not sold by the 30th of June.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4066 on: March 08, 2025, 07:04:13 AM »
Shouldn't be talking about a Rolls Royce like Kamara going for anything like £50 million.

Particularly in a world where a plodder like Solanke goes to a mid table outfit for £60 million.

But that is always the danger when you sell your best outfield player for €20 million plus a few tracksuits and a bag of spuds last summer. Clubs will come in and think they can take the piss.

A bit harsh. It was €50m and we were facing a points deduction had we not sold by the 30th of June.

Plus two players came as part of the deal, one of whom is being highly spoken of.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4067 on: March 08, 2025, 07:56:03 AM »
The point is valid though, just exaggerated.

If clubs know you must sell then their offers will be tailored accordingly. Man U tried it with Branthwait (?) at Everton.
It could be argued that the merry go round of youth players last summer stopped more piss-takling bids.

« Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 07:57:52 AM by Dante Lavelli »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4068 on: March 08, 2025, 08:17:48 AM »
I'm still on the 'misery arse' side of this, I think.  Especially if player trades don't form part of the equation as I understand from this discussion is the case for the UEFA thing? I mean, how on earth can 'other' clubs bridge the gap?  It's even more of a cartel than the domestic FFP rules it seems to me. 

We haven't spent outrageous sums on players, and we've had to sell star payers to balance the books - Unai Emery being brilliant makes able to compete. That should be enough.  The continental clubs who feel threatened by the PL are still in the bloody CL / EL / Conference. L and very often win those competitions, so I don't get why this is required.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4069 on: March 08, 2025, 08:42:20 AM »
Nevermind
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Re: FFP
« Reply #4070 on: March 08, 2025, 12:15:38 PM »
The point is valid though, just exaggerated.

If clubs know you must sell then their offers will be tailored accordingly. Man U tried it with Branthwait (?) at Everton. .

How has he done at Man United this season?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4071 on: March 08, 2025, 01:01:00 PM »
The point is valid though, just exaggerated.

If clubs know you must sell then their offers will be tailored accordingly. Man U tried it with Branthwait (?) at Everton. .

How has he done at Man United this season?

He did state "tried". They were hoping to get him on the cheap but we did the swapsies with Tim and Dobbin so they then didn't need to sell Branthwaite at a lesser value, with the bonus we pissed off all the press pets Manure have.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4072 on: March 08, 2025, 01:02:16 PM »
The point is valid though, just exaggerated.

If clubs know you must sell then their offers will be tailored accordingly. Man U tried it with Branthwait (?) at Everton. .

How has he done at Man United this season?

He did state "tried". They were hoping to get him on the cheap but we did the swapsies with Tim and Dobbin so they then didn't need to sell Branthwaite at a lesser value, with the bonus we pissed off all the press pets Manure have.

He said "if clubs know you must sell".

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4073 on: March 08, 2025, 01:06:13 PM »
And Manure did offer lower then his worth.

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United felt they could land top target Branthwaite for £35million, plus another £8million in add-ons, because Everton would have to sell. They thought the Blues would need to raise cash in the transfer market before the June 30 cut-off point for last season’s accounts to avoid falling foul of the Premier League’s PSRs again.

Everton managed to get £10mil for Dobbin though which meant they cleared PSR and then didn't need to sell.

And the same reasoning for Forest to flaunt the rules when they needed to sell Johnson and were originally being offered a lot lower by clubs due to their needs. Still should have been done more than a few points though as they chose not to sell him rather then raise money other ways, especially after buying 20 odd players the same season.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 01:10:58 PM by Somniloquism »

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4074 on: March 08, 2025, 02:01:40 PM »
And Manure did offer lower then his worth.

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United felt they could land top target Branthwaite for £35million, plus another £8million in add-ons, because Everton would have to sell. They thought the Blues would need to raise cash in the transfer market before the June 30 cut-off point for last season’s accounts to avoid falling foul of the Premier League’s PSRs again.

Everton managed to get £10mil for Dobbin though which meant they cleared PSR and then didn't need to sell.

And the same reasoning for Forest to flaunt the rules when they needed to sell Johnson and were originally being offered a lot lower by clubs due to their needs. Still should have been done more than a few points though as they chose not to sell him rather then raise money other ways, especially after buying 20 odd players the same season.

That’s the point I was trying, but failed, to make.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4075 on: March 09, 2025, 12:00:59 PM »
With record revenue figures this financial year, and the money from the Duran sale, instead of making key sales before 30th June, we'll probably have to do most of our recruitment before then. Especially if we miss out on CL next year. That may well suit Emery though, getting a full pre-season with them.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4076 on: March 09, 2025, 01:23:24 PM »
With record revenue figures this financial year, and the money from the Duran sale, instead of making key sales before 30th June, we'll probably have to do most of our recruitment before then. Especially if we miss out on CL next year. That may well suit Emery though, getting a full pre-season with them.

Good point. Interested to see what happens.

Offline HolteL4

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4077 on: March 09, 2025, 02:18:58 PM »
Can we sell it again yet?

Can't see why not,  Can't we just create a new company in our parent group and that company buys it and keep doing that until either PSR is binned or that loophole is closed.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4078 on: March 10, 2025, 01:54:09 AM »
With record revenue figures this financial year, and the money from the Duran sale, instead of making key sales before 30th June, we'll probably have to do most of our recruitment before then. Especially if we miss out on CL next year. That may well suit Emery though, getting a full pre-season with them.
Wouldn’t it be part of the 3 year rolling figure anyway, or has that changed?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #4079 on: March 10, 2025, 08:00:36 AM »
Isn't this summer the last of that and the first of the squad cost ratio crap that makes it even more complicated and even more weighted to the established commercial whales

 


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