FFP

[Demitri_C]

🚨UEFA's 2024 Financial Landscape report is out and more or less confirms that Villa will fail UEFA Squad Cost test (possibly sustainability too). Chelsea also appear to fail. Newcastle very close but not in Europe this season.

PSG and Roma in settlement regimes so not sure how those are impacted/dealt with.

NB: this is the raw Wage:Turnover ratio but directionally indicative of SCR. No major shocks but also shows UEFA's appraisal of revenue - meaningful differences with Chelsea (€25m lower vs Deloitte (€545m)).

.this whole thing is stupid. We have been in CL one season, we dont have the advantage  as other sides  who have had Cl money season in and season out. How do they expect teams like villa to compete if you are a newbie in CL?

Its ridiculous.

Good luck to forest if they qualify as im sure they will be worse than us

[Tuscans]

🚨UEFA's 2024 Financial Landscape report is out and more or less confirms that Villa will fail UEFA Squad Cost test (possibly sustainability too). Chelsea also appear to fail. Newcastle very close but not in Europe this season.

PSG and Roma in settlement regimes so not sure how those are impacted/dealt with.

NB: this is the raw Wage:Turnover ratio but directionally indicative of SCR. No major shocks but also shows UEFA's appraisal of revenue - meaningful differences with Chelsea (€25m lower vs Deloitte (€545m)).

.this whole thing is stupid. We have been in CL one season, we dont have the advantage  as other sides  who have had Cl money season in and season out. How do they expect teams like villa to compete if you are a newbie in CL?

Its ridiculous.

Good luck to forest if they qualify as im sure they will be worse than us

Sponsors don't want/care about new clubs like Villa competing. Bigger, established clubs like Real, Barcelona, Liverpool, City etc bring more eyes to the prize, generating bigger profits for UEFA. That's basically what it boils down to.

[Dave]

Good luck to forest if they qualify as im sure they will be worse than us

Very much so.

Guess they'll be waving goodbye to either Gibbs-White or Murillo to make things work. As presumably they still need to meet the wages rules to play in the Europa League as well.

[Demitri_C]

🚨UEFA's 2024 Financial Landscape report is out and more or less confirms that Villa will fail UEFA Squad Cost test (possibly sustainability too). Chelsea also appear to fail. Newcastle very close but not in Europe this season.

PSG and Roma in settlement regimes so not sure how those are impacted/dealt with.

NB: this is the raw Wage:Turnover ratio but directionally indicative of SCR. No major shocks but also shows UEFA's appraisal of revenue - meaningful differences with Chelsea (€25m lower vs Deloitte (€545m)).

.this whole thing is stupid. We have been in CL one season, we dont have the advantage  as other sides  who have had Cl money season in and season out. How do they expect teams like villa to compete if you are a newbie in CL?

Its ridiculous.

Good luck to forest if they qualify as im sure they will be worse than us

Sponsors don't want/care about new clubs like Villa competing. Bigger, established clubs like Real, Barcelona, Liverpool, City etc bring more eyes to the prize, generating bigger profits for UEFA. That's basically what it boils down to.

Sadly i agree tuscans. If anything having teams like brugges villa for example makes it more interesting as open games that could swing either way. But the momey makers dont give a shit about that. They would happily have bayern barce or real win it every year for the next 20 years

[Percy McCarthy]

Does the FFP £400 include player sales too - as we probably won't be selling two more players for £60m+ next season.

Does the FFP £400 include player sales too - as we probably won't be selling two more players for £60m+ next season.

No.

Yes. The Joe money kept us FFP compliant for three years.

No.

Yes. The Joe money kept us FFP compliant for three years.

The £400m targeted revenue stream does not include player sales. Grealish is nothing to do with it.

How strange then that Monchi specifically said a couple of months ago that player trading was an important part of raising revenue.

And in his question, London Villan specifically referenced the FFP £400m.

I can see why for targeting purposes you would focus on revenue stream not asset realisation profits.

Yes, it makes sense why his his target wouldn’t include it, it’s just that I’ve never heard it mentioned that it wouldn’t. For the club though it’s  clearly a legitimate revenue stream.

Recruitment, youth development and optimum timing of sales are evidently things we’re really going to have to focus on and excel at. I’m aware that I’m stating the bleedin’ obvious there.

It can be done though. We’re in the richest league in the world, in a country that’s a fertile breeding ground for talented footballers, squads are limited to 25 players - with good recruitment we can afford to pack that 25 with talent from anywhere in the world. In fact, all these factors make competition from below as dangerous to us (AND the greedy 6) as competition from above.

[Dave]

Yes, it makes sense why his his target wouldn’t include it, it’s just that I’ve never heard it mentioned that it wouldn’t. For the club though it’s  clearly a legitimate revenue stream.

Yup, it's also going to be something within his sphere of influence and control. If he's been tasked with increasing revenue, I imagine one of the first things he does is call Monchi into his office and say "to get our revenues up, let's do that horrible thing that Chelsea do and turn our academy into a footballing livestock factory".

That policy isn't happening independently of Heck.

[Rigadon]

What does this actually mean then?  That we won't be able to play in Europe next season without a massive player cull? If so, we may as well not bother.

[Percy McCarthy]

What does this actually mean then?  That we won't be able to play in Europe next season without a massive player cull? If so, we may as well not bother.

I’d consider that a bit too defeatist. My oft-repeated opinion (and I apologise for that) is that we’re in a really strong position regarding book value of players compared to their market value.

Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Watkins, McGinn are more or less pure profit. Digne, Buendia and Bailey are not far behind in terms of being amortised. Tielemans, Kamara, Ramsey, Bogarde are fully pure profit. Rogers, Kosta, Garcia cost negligible amounts.

We have plenty of options, and I think there will be a high-ish turnover of players that we could easily come out of in better shape squad-wise. But yes, there could be some uncomfortable realisation of assets ahead. How they are replaced is obviously key.

[Rigadon]

Fair enough Percy.  Maybe my assessment is overly negative, but jeez, how many draw bridges will be pulled up? 

[Percy McCarthy]

Fair enough Percy.  Maybe my assessment is overly negative, but jeez, how many draw bridges will be pulled up?

I totally understand the frustration mate. I just choose to be optimistic and then try and work out how it is possible to be so.

[paul_e]

What does this actually mean then?  That we won't be able to play in Europe next season without a massive player cull? If so, we may as well not bother.

I’d consider that a bit too defeatist. My oft-repeated opinion (and I apologise for that) is that we’re in a really strong position regarding book value of players compared to their market value.

Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Watkins, McGinn ate more or less pure profit. Digne, Buendia and Bailey are not far behind in terms of being amortised. Tielemans, Kamara, Ramsey, Bogarde are fully pure profit. Rogers, Kosta, Garcia cost negligible amounts.

We have plenty of options, and I think there will be a high-ish turnover of players that we could easily come out of in better shape squad-wise. But yes, there could be some uncomfortable realisation of assets ahead. How they are replaced is obviously key.

This sums up my biggest problem with FFP.

We've improved almost every player in our squad and would, if we sold everyone, make back far more than we've spent and yet nothing in the system recognises that value unless we break the team up. At the same time clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea have wasted huge sums on players that they can't even give away and have the league bending over backwards to let them fudge their way around the rules.

I know that potential value means nothing from an accounting perspective but from a sporting one how we've gone about things to build this squad is clearly a far better model than the path a lot of other clubs have taken. I just can't see why anyone who believes in 'fair play' would support a system that doesn't really give a fuck about how well run a team is from a sporting perspective. The whole sport has been hurt by clubs being turned into businesses when they don't really work as them.

[Somniloquism]

.this whole thing is stupid. We have been in CL one season, we dont have the advantage  as other sides  who have had Cl money season in and season out. How do they expect teams like villa to compete if you are a newbie in CL?

Its ridiculous.

Good luck to forest if they qualify as im sure they will be worse than us

The real question is why are Everton listed in there?

[Demitri_C]

My concern is that we will have to sell either kamara or ramsey  (as they will be biggest profits makes) to fulfill these rules next summer as we likely wont have the CL money next season

[LeeB]

What does this actually mean then?  That we won't be able to play in Europe next season without a massive player cull? If so, we may as well not bother.

I’d consider that a bit too defeatist. My oft-repeated opinion (and I apologise for that) is that we’re in a really strong position regarding book value of players compared to their market value.

Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Watkins, McGinn ate more or less pure profit. Digne, Buendia and Bailey are not far behind in terms of being amortised. Tielemans, Kamara, Ramsey, Bogarde are fully pure profit. Rogers, Kosta, Garcia cost negligible amounts.

We have plenty of options, and I think there will be a high-ish turnover of players that we could easily come out of in better shape squad-wise. But yes, there could be some uncomfortable realisation of assets ahead. How they are replaced is obviously key.

This sums up my biggest problem with FFP.

We've improved almost every player in our squad and would, if we sold everyone, make back far more than we've spent and yet nothing in the system recognises that value unless we break the team up. At the same time clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea have wasted huge sums on players that they can't even give away and have the league bending over backwards to let them fudge their way around the rules.

I know that potential value means nothing from an accounting perspective but from a sporting one how we've gone about things to build this squad is clearly a far better model than the path a lot of other clubs have taken. I just can't see why anyone who believes in 'fair play' would support a system that doesn't really give a fuck about how well run a team is from a sporting perspective. The whole sport has been hurt by clubs being turned into businesses when they don't really work as them.

This is spot on Paul.

Still, I think the attitude of the club, from the manager down is we don't moan, we don't make excuses, and we continue to play the hand we're dealt as well as we possibly can.

Any success we have will be ten times sweeter as a result.

[Footy-Vill]

My concern is that we will have to sell either kamara or ramsey  (as they will be biggest profits makes) to fulfill these rules next summer as we likely wont have the CL money next season

Louie Barry is being fattened calf and would probably be one for player exchange sales or just completely sold.
I would think Juventus pair Junior and El Baron along with Nedlekovic be sold on if needs be.

Any of them before Ramsey or Kamara please.