FFP

[Drummond]

Amortisation was as long as the contract until the vote this season which capped it at 5 years. That cap, however, doesn't start until 1st July.

Amortisation will still be over 6 years in the accounts, because UEFA and the Premier League aren't in charge of accounting standards and rules. What will happen is an adjustment to the PSR calculation that the club have to submit.

Yep.

[Duncan Shaw]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

[LeonW]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

I think this article has been posted in another thread. I doubt we could be punished. It’s more likely that the rules would be changed. But even then, fees can be highly subjective and it would probably need to be agreed internationally to work to any common system. I can’t see this happening. I think we’re being smart and it’s upsetting people.

[ender4]

The massive increase in turnover/profit will help. Turnover is going to grow by the best part of £100m next year.

Will it grow that much?

I was thinking:
Conference £18m to Champions League £40m = +£22m
Castore £6m to Adidas £20m = +£16m  (assuming we hit the Adidas sales targets)
BK8 £8m to Betano £20m = +£12m
Premier League - equal or maybe £3-6m lower (if 2 places down)
Matchday +£3m (price rises and extra hospitality)
Other Commercial - +£2m (Tractor partner. noodle partner, etc)

Total increase - +£50 million

[Smithy]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

I think this article has been posted in another thread. I doubt we could be punished. It’s more likely that the rules would be changed. But even then, fees can be highly subjective and it would probably need to be agreed internationally to work to any common system. I can’t see this happening. I think we’re being smart and it’s upsetting people.

No rules have been broken as long as the book values are "reasonable", and I've seen nothing to suggest they are not.  People will point to Kellyman, but we can point to Chuck Jnr two years ago as a precedent.

The reality is, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often, with clubs swapping youth players for "negotiated sums" that help both parties with FFP issues.  As long as the values are legitimate, I don't see an issue with it.

[SaddVillan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5111jg2r3yo

The Greedy6 (and others?) getting ansty about our "creativity" in avoiding FFP/PSR?

[Dogtanian]

Yeah, but what can they actually change?

Ban clubs from trading with other clubs if that deal helps comply with the rules?
Ban amortisation so every club has to take the full hit at the time of purchase?
Cap players prices?

We sold Grealish and took the profit in one go and then bought three players whose fees were spread across the contracts, nobody gave a shit then.

And people have been on about the 'Grealish money' keeping us out of PSR hot water ever since.

Literally the only difference is that we're co-operating with other teams rather than trying to screw them over.

[pablo_picasso]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

I think this article has been posted in another thread. I doubt we could be punished. It’s more likely that the rules would be changed. But even then, fees can be highly subjective and it would probably need to be agreed internationally to work to any common system. I can’t see this happening. I think we’re being smart and it’s upsetting people.

They haven't been complaining while Chelsea & ManC have been doing it for years.

But it's now a club outside of the marketing & media favourite six being clever within the rules, so "stone the crows! The heavens have flooded!"

Personally, I have no issue with it because we are not breaking a single rule. We are not doing anything that other clubs haven't done.

So fuck the Premier League. Fuck the other clubs. Fuck the other clubs fans.

And yet, there have very few articles saying how shit it is that Villa have to sell Douglas Luiz to be PSR compliant. PSR compliant with a loss amount that hasn't kept up to date with inflation after being set over a decade ago.

This despite Villa having no debt & owners that are within the top 5 wealthiest in the world.

The fact is, the game is rigged in favour of the marketing & media favourite clubs.

The profits that allow the likes of Chelsea & ManC to spend literal billions & create academy farms were gained unfairly. Yet they are still allowed to utilise the benefits of those profits & outspend a club as wealthy as Villa by an amount of five to one.

ManU are allowed to outspend Villa, despite them having what, half a billion? One billion pounds debt? And a stadium that is literally falling apart.

The media & marketing favourite clubs were allowed to spend themselves towards success. The sponsorship deals that now give them the profits to outspend ambitious clubs like Villa were gathered on the back of that spending.

But now that door has been shut to other clubs. So where is the outrage about the level playing field being destroyed so that others can rarely challenge the status quo?

The fact that the likes of Chelsea & ManC have been selling academy players for vast sums for years so that they can game FFP/PSR, or whatever its called this week, must have gone unnoticed by most "journalists".

Its funny how its only an outrage ever since a club outside of the media & marketing favourite clubs are using the same legal & above board ways of getting round rules that are purely in place to protect the status quo.

And if they haven't heard of Omari Kellyman & his potential, then that says more about their knowledge of youth football than it does about his valuation.

So fuck the journalists too...

[LeonW]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

I think this article has been posted in another thread. I doubt we could be punished. It’s more likely that the rules would be changed. But even then, fees can be highly subjective and it would probably need to be agreed internationally to work to any common system. I can’t see this happening. I think we’re being smart and it’s upsetting people.

They haven't been complaining while Chelsea & ManC have been doing it for years.

But it's now a club outside of the marketing & media favourite six being clever within the rules, so "stone the crows! The heavens have flooded!"

Personally, I have no issue with it because we are not breaking a single rule. We are not doing anything that other clubs haven't done.

So fuck the Premier League. Fuck the other clubs. Fuck the other clubs fans.

And yet, there have very few articles saying how shit it is that Villa have to sell Douglas Luiz to be PSR compliant. PSR compliant with a loss amount that hasn't kept up to date with inflation after being set over a decade ago.

This despite Villa having no debt & owners that are within the top 5 wealthiest in the world.

The fact is, the game is rigged in favour of the marketing & media favourite clubs.

The profits that allow the likes of Chelsea & ManC to spend literal billions & create academy farms were gained unfairly. Yet they are still allowed to utilise the benefits of those profits & outspend a club as wealthy as Villa by an amount of five to one.

ManU are allowed to outspend Villa, despite them having what, half a billion? One billion pounds debt? And a stadium that is literally falling apart.

The media & marketing favourite clubs were allowed to spend themselves towards success. The sponsorship deals that now give them the profits to outspend ambitious clubs like Villa were gathered on the back of that spending.

But now that door has been shut to other clubs. So where is the outrage about the level playing field being destroyed so that others can rarely challenge the status quo?

The fact that the likes of Chelsea & ManC have been selling academy players for vast sums for years so that they can game FFP/PSR, or whatever its called this week, must have gone unnoticed by most "journalists".

Its funny how its only an outrage ever since a club outside of the media & marketing favourite clubs are using the same legal & above board ways of getting round rules that are purely in place to protect the status quo.

And if they haven't heard of Omari Kellyman & his potential, then that says more about their knowledge of youth football than it does about his valuation.

So fuck the journalists too...

That’s pretty much it, Pablo. A lot of these journalists want to maintain certain relationships with clubs and individuals involved in those clubs. As those sky 6 clubs get more clicks, etc, they are more likely to want to keep those clubs happy than a potential usurper. You only have to look at how sky have behaved with the super league debacle; like a dog that had been kicked and decided to love those that did the kicking more than ever before.

[Paul.S]

The f*cking Beeb have got an article highlighting/moaning about it now.  Watch us become the first club to be punished for working within the rules!

Let them try. I don’t think our owners are ones to back down and take things in the chin.

[Stu]

Times reporting that prem is ‘monitoring’ player transfers wrt potentially exploiting a loophole in spending rules so clubs don’t break ‘good faith’ regs. It would not surprise me at all if things got nasty now. PSR has incentivised selling youth prospects for big money and it’s been going on for years. No one gives a shit that we’ve been forced to sell one of our absolute best players and main penalty kick taker.

[gpbarr]

I think it’s a compliment to our owners that suddenly, Villa are seen to be working around PSR when the top 6 have abused it for years. Shows we have people in charge not afraid to challenge perceived glass ceilings and go after those (PL) intent on stifling competition.

Long may that continue.

[Dogtanian]

The only thing they can do is ensure the transfer fees are not inflated. And they’ve no real chance if proving that.

[dalians umbrella]

Why would Chelsea let us inflate Kelly man’s price when they haven’t inflated Ian m’s price? What would be in it for them?

[algy]

I think it’s a compliment to our owners that suddenly, Villa are seen to be working around PSR when the top 6 have abused it for years. Shows we have people in charge not afraid to challenge perceived glass ceilings and go after those (PL) intent on stifling competition.

Long may that continue.

Absolutely. We're the Villa are we're taking over. Get used to it, bitches