FFP

[Dante Lavelli]

Idea 1,256 to improve FFP/PSR:

Homegrown players’ wages should be exempt from a club’s costs.  It would provide an incentive to produce players, increase the £105m, and counter the need to sell such players.

[jwarry]

Just saw this on SkySports website.  I didn’t know about the £15m bit and even after reading it I’m struggling to understand it!

“In the simplest terms, when every Premier League team tots up their annual accounts, they can have made a loss no greater than £105m across the previous three seasons.

Clubs can only lose £15m of their own money across those three years. So that's no more than £15m extra on outgoings like transfer fees, player wages and, in a lot of clubs' cases, paying off former managers compared to their income from TV payments, season tickets, selling players and so on.

The other £90m of any £105m must be guaranteed by their owners buying up shares, known as 'secure funding', and essentially means bankrolling the club.”

[jwarry]

Updated:

Tim - £9m (£49m required for compliance pre- 30.06)
Kellyman - £19m (£20m required)
Dougie - £60m accumulative (£40m up)
Duran - £40m (£72m up)

Maatsen- £37m (£64m up)
Iling and Enzo (value of ~£30m combined I estimate in 5 year deals - £58m up)

Looks like Doug £50m according to Romano

“Douglas Luiz will be valued at €50m in the swap deal between Aston Villa and Juventus.

Enzo Barrenechea and Samuel Iling Jr will be valued at €22m.

As reported yesterday, Aston Villa will receive €28m fee.”

[SaddVillan]

Updated:

Tim - £9m (£49m required for compliance pre- 30.06)
Kellyman - £19m (£20m required)
Dougie - £60m accumulative (£40m up)
Duran - £40m (£72m up)

Maatsen- £37m (£64m up)
Iling and Enzo (value of ~£30m combined I estimate in 5 year deals - £58m up)

Looks like Doug £50m according to Romano

“Douglas Luiz will be valued at €50m in the swap deal between Aston Villa and Juventus.

Enzo Barrenechea and Samuel Iling Jr will be valued at €22m.

As reported yesterday, Aston Villa will receive €28m fee.”

Pounds, or Euros, there's a bit of a difference.

€50m = c £43.4m , which is definitely a bit on the light side for a player if the calibre of Luiz, and leaves us just under £16m short of the rumoured £60m we need for FFP/PSR.

Is that why we're also selling Iregbuonam, Kellyman and Bogarde?

[Mellin]

Idea 1,256 to improve FFP/PSR:

Homegrown players’ wages should be exempt from a club’s costs.  It would provide an incentive to produce players, increase the £105m, and counter the need to sell such players.

*Starts doctoring photos of a young Luca Digne going to school at Turves Green*

[Ads]

Right, trying to keep track of this, so let's go again for current state.

£58m needed for compliance by 30th June.

Doug has gone for €50m accumulative value with swapsies valued at €22m.

I've not seen the length of the deals, so 6 years now while we can would make sense before that closes. I'll assume 5 years, so we load up £3.7m.

We have Dobbin now in, again I'll assume 5 years for a righter scenario. I've seen £3m banded about, but I'll assume £9m in case it's a like for like valuation; that's another £1.8m.

These 3 incoming players push us to needing £63.5m. Now for deductions; £42m (rounded down based on the current exchange rate of 0.85) for Luiz, £9m for Tim, leaves us with £12.5m to find.

If Kellyman goes for £19m in the next week, then we're clear with a £6.5m profit. This gives us room to sign Maatsen this side of 30th June, with his £37m split over 6 years.

[Dante Lavelli]

With Bogarde as a £4m buffer.

[jwarry]

Just a shame we can’t offload Donk, Chambers, Hause, Digne/Moreno before the end of the month too

Still won’t be surprised to see Cash go though and a new RB come in

[Percy McCarthy]

Right, trying to keep track of this, so let's go again for current state.

£58m needed for compliance by 30th June.

Doug has gone for €50m accumulative value with swapsies valued at €22m.

I've not seen the length of the deals, so 6 years now while we can would make sense before that closes. I'll assume 5 years, so we load up £3.7m.

We have Dobbin now in, again I'll assume 5 years for a righter scenario. I've seen £3m banded about, but I'll assume £9m in case it's a like for like valuation; that's another £1.8m.

These 3 incoming players push us to needing £63.5m. Now for deductions; £42m (rounded down based on the current exchange rate of 0.85) for Luiz, £9m for Tim, leaves us with £12.5m to find.

If Kellyman goes for £19m in the next week, then we're clear with a £6.5m profit. This gives us room to sign Maatsen this side of 30th June, with his £37m split over 6 years.

Amortisation is over five years, no matter how long the contract.

[Gareth]

With Bogarde as a £4m buffer.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Barry were to be moved on for a couple of £m also in next few days…just a hunch

[Ads]

I thought that rule change was not in effect until the new (football) financial year of 1st July? I know they voted in December on it, but you can't alter rules mid-year I wouldn't have thought.

[Gareth]

I thought that rule change was not in effect until the new (football) financial year of 1st July? I know they voted in December on it, but you can't alter rules mid-year I wouldn't have thought.

Depends who it benefits :-)

[Dogtanian]

Right, trying to keep track of this, so let's go again for current state.

£58m needed for compliance by 30th June.

Doug has gone for €50m accumulative value with swapsies valued at €22m.

I've not seen the length of the deals, so 6 years now while we can would make sense before that closes. I'll assume 5 years, so we load up £3.7m.

We have Dobbin now in, again I'll assume 5 years for a righter scenario. I've seen £3m banded about, but I'll assume £9m in case it's a like for like valuation; that's another £1.8m.

These 3 incoming players push us to needing £63.5m. Now for deductions; £42m (rounded down based on the current exchange rate of 0.85) for Luiz, £9m for Tim, leaves us with £12.5m to find.

If Kellyman goes for £19m in the next week, then we're clear with a £6.5m profit. This gives us room to sign Maatsen this side of 30th June, with his £37m split over 6 years.

Amortisation is over five years, no matter how long the contract.

You’re surely not going to take a full year’s depreciation hit in the final month of the year, either.

[PeterWithesShin]

Amortisation isn't always 5 years.

[dalians umbrella]

Meanwhile we are shopping to fill the shelves back up

“ look son, if you go to southampton, you’ll just be sat on their bench . If you come to Villa I can guarantee you’ll be sat on Chelsea‘s bench in three years time.“