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Re: FFP
« Reply #3150 on: June 24, 2024, 10:07:09 PM »
Player prices are shortly subjective? How on earth can anybody prove that Omari Kellyman isnít worth £19 million or, is worth £19 million? Itís all a subjective load of crap. Nothing to see here.
Exactly - at some point someone will point out all the numbers are ridiculous and have been for a long time.

Every fee is bollocks until it delivers - what's Grealish done to be worth 100m - has he delivered 100m of value to Man City?  Its like house prices - no pulls at the thread of what nonsense it is, because other wise the whole system collapses. 

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3151 on: June 24, 2024, 11:07:38 PM »
Like you say - its impossible to judge.  FFP needs to be overhauled - its just this summer clubs have to take it into there own hands.

The rules are stupid - basically its like going to a bank and saying that you want to take 1,000 out my millions of savings - and them saying - you don't earn enough.

And then someone else saying, I want to take 100,000 out, and add it to my millions of debt - that being fine.

Or some other analogy that a better example

And this is exactly why so many fans up and down the country are sticking two fingers up and walking away from Premier League football.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3152 on: June 24, 2024, 11:11:51 PM »
Like you say - its impossible to judge.  FFP needs to be overhauled - its just this summer clubs have to take it into there own hands.

The rules are stupid - basically its like going to a bank and saying that you want to take 1,000 out my millions of savings - and them saying - you don't earn enough.

And then someone else saying, I want to take 100,000 out, and add it to my millions of debt - that being fine.

Or some other analogy that a better example

And this is exactly why so many fans up and down the country are sticking two fingers up and walking away from Premier League football.

They're not, though, are they?

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3153 on: June 24, 2024, 11:13:41 PM »
Well, Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United fans, maybe.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3154 on: June 24, 2024, 11:19:37 PM »
Well, Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United fans, maybe.

At last, something that Blues fans lead the way in.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3155 on: June 24, 2024, 11:22:06 PM »
Loads have walked away over the years, but they are being replaced. And that's all anyone in charge cares about.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3156 on: June 24, 2024, 11:26:24 PM »
Player prices are shortly subjective? How on earth can anybody prove that Omari Kellyman isnít worth £19 million or, is worth £19 million? Itís all a subjective load of crap. Nothing to see here.

Might not be...but Stevie Wonder could see all these deals.... Iroegbunam, Dobbin, Kellyman etc stink. Proving it might be a different matter. They need to go back to the drawing board with FFP/PSR and some kind of agreed accounting value for players (assets). Old ground here but the examples above just highlight the incentive for running academy "farms".

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3157 on: June 25, 2024, 06:18:04 AM »
The press said sweet FA when Southampton were paying 15m for Edozie, Charles, Bizunu etc from Man City. Not a whimper. Or when Wolves had half of the Mendes rosta there clearly under 3rd party ownership. Or indeed when Archer and Chucky went for 19 or so last summer and the summer before. But now their real paymasters don't like that other clubs are not taking the cartel fix it rules lying down, the press are whinging like bastards. Anyone would think none of them want a competition.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3158 on: June 25, 2024, 06:45:14 AM »
Player prices are shortly subjective? How on earth can anybody prove that Omari Kellyman isnít worth £19 million or, is worth £19 million? Itís all a subjective load of crap. Nothing to see here.

Might not be...but Stevie Wonder could see all these deals.... Iroegbunam, Dobbin, Kellyman etc stink. Proving it might be a different matter. They need to go back to the drawing board with FFP/PSR and some kind of agreed accounting value for players (assets). Old ground here but the examples above just highlight the incentive for running academy "farms".
I agree with all of this.

We've been put in a ridiculous situation where we've no choice but to dismantle a squad that has been built - in reality - perfectly sustainably for the most part. The rules are stupid and I'm glad we've found a creative way out of it.

But it's really not hard to see that it looks a bit dodgy with the amount of swap deals going on.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3159 on: June 25, 2024, 06:59:24 AM »
This bollocks about PL monitoring the situation is a made-up story by the Sky6 loving press.  The last thing the PL will do is interfere now as it would inevitably lead to yet another law suit

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3160 on: June 25, 2024, 07:55:47 AM »
I donít get the idea that the deals we are doing are horrible, they all make sense before a very important season.

Kellyman and Iroegbunam - are they really getting many minutes next season? They need to play regularly to develop, it makes perfect sense to let them go.

Do people want us to go back to the good old days of running an academy that just released all the players?

Luiz we would ideally like to keep, but heís the one with the value thatís going to keep us in the limits, so we have to let him go.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3161 on: June 25, 2024, 08:20:50 AM »
I donít get the idea that the deals we are doing are horrible, they all make sense before a very important season.

Kellyman and Iroegbunam - are they really getting many minutes next season? They need to play regularly to develop, it makes perfect sense to let them go.

Do people want us to go back to the good old days of running an academy that just released all the players?

Luiz we would ideally like to keep, but heís the one with the value thatís going to keep us in the limits, so we have to let him go.

I donít think anyone thinks the deals are horrible but I can certainly see why, particularly the Kellyman one, has raised a few eyebrows. Iíd think the vast majority of non Villa fans would never have heard of him before so for him to move for £19m would be strange.
As has been pointed out when Man City or Liverpool sold unknowns for big money, it was fine.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3162 on: June 25, 2024, 08:22:39 AM »
I donít get the idea that the deals we are doing are horrible, they all make sense before a very important season.

Kellyman and Iroegbunam - are they really getting many minutes next season? They need to play regularly to develop, it makes perfect sense to let them go.

Do people want us to go back to the good old days of running an academy that just released all the players?

Luiz we would ideally like to keep, but heís the one with the value thatís going to keep us in the limits, so we have to let him go.

They have been pushed into happening early in the window for FFP, but looking at our business the last 3 years it is not out of the ordinary. As soon as people challenge that other clubs have sold as many players for similar or more (Man City etc) the journalists that are making a fuss on twitter say it is different or stop replying. This constant need to make sure 4-5 clubs have the most press, the most time talked about etc, protected to keep the status quo is really annoying.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3163 on: June 25, 2024, 08:26:52 AM »
I donít get the idea that the deals we are doing are horrible, they all make sense before a very important season.

Kellyman and Iroegbunam - are they really getting many minutes next season? They need to play regularly to develop, it makes perfect sense to let them go.

Do people want us to go back to the good old days of running an academy that just released all the players?

Luiz we would ideally like to keep, but heís the one with the value thatís going to keep us in the limits, so we have to let him go.

I donít think anyone thinks the deals are horrible but I can certainly see why, particularly the Kellyman one, has raised a few eyebrows. Iíd think the vast majority of non Villa fans would never have heard of him before so for him to move for £19m would be strange.
As has been pointed out when Man City or Liverpool sold unknowns for big money, it was fine.
I think it's probably more to do with, for example, buying Dobbin off Everton and selling them Timmy. Then buying Maatsen off Chelsea and selling them Kellyman. Or selling Dougie to Juventus but taking Iling-Junior and The Barron off them.

I mean, reciprocal transfers do happen, but they're fairly rare. And we've had potentially 3 of them in a month, all with either clubs that have FFP concerns ... or with Juventus, who have form for dodgy reciprocal transfers.

You don't have to be fucking Columbo to think the deals might be driven by creative accounting.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2024, 08:28:29 AM by algy »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #3164 on: June 25, 2024, 08:30:57 AM »
The Columbo reference made me chuckle. I agree it looks obvious what's happening. But you know what, fuck it.  I honestly don't care, which is probably bad.

 


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