FFP

[paul_e]

If this - https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1784962074273026206 - is true and there's still a limit of 85% of turnover then whilst this is better than now it's still a rule that favours the clubs with huge existing sponsorship deals, etc.

Whilst there's an element that links to turnover (be it within the league or from UEFA) than I'd prefer the cap to be lower than the 4.5x/5x that is being suggested. That's still a figure that would allow a handful of clubs to spend significantly more than anyone else.

On 2023 figures it would allow Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Tottenham to spend the full £450m (assuming 4.5x) but would limit a club like Fulham or Brighton to less than half that and the relegation battlers would be even further behind. Obviouslyh those clubs have higher wages but they're all operating a lower wages to turnover % than most of the rest of the league (who have seen wage costs rise because of the excessive contracts offered by the sky 6). If it went instead to something like 3-3.5x those clubs would have to consider cutting costs to be able to fund further investment, which would be much better for the competitiveness of the league and would only really impact the clubs who have spent the last decade building an unassailable financial advantage.

[pablo_picasso]

However, in 24/25, we will be getting Champions League money, so for that season we can add another, what?

£100M/£150M, or whatever it is over the season.

Is that correct, or am I thinking too simply...

Why would you be adding £100-150m?

If we got to the quarter-finals (which is hardly a given) we'd make around £50m. If we don't make it out of the inital stages, we'd get around £20m.

I will be honest, I have no idea how much you get in Champions League, but always assumed its a fair bit cos its the so called "promised land".

If your numbers are correct, & I have no reason to question them, it's not as financially rewarding as I thought.

But lets say we get to the quarters, we would add 70% of that to what we can spend, so thats an extra (purely guessing cos my math is shit), an extra £40M to what we can spend within that cap.

Is that correct, or is that chap from Twitter adding Champs League money into his figures?

[Dave]

However, in 24/25, we will be getting Champions League money, so for that season we can add another, what?

£100M/£150M, or whatever it is over the season.

Is that correct, or am I thinking too simply...

Why would you be adding £100-150m?

If we got to the quarter-finals (which is hardly a given) we'd make around £50m. If we don't make it out of the inital stages, we'd get around £20m.

I will be honest, I have no idea how much you get in Champions League, but always assumed its a fair bit cos its the so called "promised land".

If your numbers are correct, & I have no reason to question them, it's not as financially rewarding as I thought.

Back in the day, when you didn't get £100m just for existing in the Premier League, it was.

Nowadays, it's still a huge amount of money. But the dynamic is no longer Villa and Spurs complaining that they can't compete with Liverpool and Arsenal for players without Champions League money, it's Dortmund and Milan complaining that they can't compete with Palace and Fulham for players now they have the Premier League money.

[paul_e]

Spurs were in the conference league in 21-22 and in the CL in 22-23 (where they went out in the round of 16).
UEFA prize money increased by £46m as part of an overall increase of £106m

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

Not a fortune but still a significant increase in turnover for us.

[Dave]

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

I took my figures from here.

Which says next season will be £15.9m prize money for competing in the league phase, with £0.6m per draw and £1.8m per win.

So with the assumption that if you're going out in the early stages you're probably not winning too many games to get the prize money for the wins, I gave it a charitable £20m.

[Footy-Vill]

Yes this is all squad costs ratio.

[paul_e]

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

I took my figures from here.

Which says next season will be £15.9m prize money for competing in the league phase, with £0.6m per draw and £1.8m per win.

So with the assumption that if you're going out in the early stages you're probably not winning too many games to get the prize money for the wins, I gave it a charitable £20m.

but that doesn't include extra commercial or matchday income or any extras from sponsors.

[pablo_picasso]

However, in 24/25, we will be getting Champions League money, so for that season we can add another, what?

£100M/£150M, or whatever it is over the season.

Is that correct, or am I thinking too simply...

Why would you be adding £100-150m?

If we got to the quarter-finals (which is hardly a given) we'd make around £50m. If we don't make it out of the inital stages, we'd get around £20m.

I will be honest, I have no idea how much you get in Champions League, but always assumed its a fair bit cos its the so called "promised land".

If your numbers are correct, & I have no reason to question them, it's not as financially rewarding as I thought.

Back in the day, when you didn't get £100m just for existing in the Premier League, it was.

Nowadays, it's still a huge amount of money. But the dynamic is no longer Villa and Spurs complaining that they can't compete with Liverpool and Arsenal for players without Champions League money, it's Dortmund and Milan complaining that they can't compete with Palace and Fulham for players now they have the Premier League money.

Fair enough. 👍

[Villatillidie25]

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

I took my figures from here.

Which says next season will be £15.9m prize money for competing in the league phase, with £0.6m per draw and £1.8m per win.

So with the assumption that if you're going out in the early stages you're probably not winning too many games to get the prize money for the wins, I gave it a charitable £20m.

I think you’ll get more than that when you factor in match day revenue, sponsorship and tv money. Isn’t the group stage meant to be worth £50m give or take.

I don’t mind the % threshold changing for European (70%) and teams not in  Europe (85%) but why isn’t there a ratchet system based on the competition you’re in. Finishing in the UEL or UECL places is now a penalty, not a reward as you can no longer spend as much money the following season and the prize money etc doesn’t offset the shortfall. Seems mental to me. 

[Dave]

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

I took my figures from here.

Which says next season will be £15.9m prize money for competing in the league phase, with £0.6m per draw and £1.8m per win.

So with the assumption that if you're going out in the early stages you're probably not winning too many games to get the prize money for the wins, I gave it a charitable £20m.

but that doesn't include extra commercial or matchday income or any extras from sponsors.

I didn't suggest that it did.

[ChicagoLion]

Are we......the baddies now?

Not exactly great company we are keeping on this issue.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think we’d make more than £20m from winning the Conference League. I’m pretty sure West Ham did.

[Dave]

I think we’d make more than £20m from winning the Conference League. I’m pretty sure West Ham did.

Was around £12m total prize money that West Ham won. Plus all the extra match-day income etc.

[Somniloquism]

I'd guess some of that will be unrelated but something like £75m will be directly related to being in the Champions League. With the upcoming format changes I'd guess the £20m figure Dave gave is a bit out of date a well.

I took my figures from here.

Which says next season will be £15.9m prize money for competing in the league phase, with £0.6m per draw and £1.8m per win.

So with the assumption that if you're going out in the early stages you're probably not winning too many games to get the prize money for the wins, I gave it a charitable £20m.

but that doesn't include extra commercial or matchday income or any extras from sponsors.

I didn't suggest that it did.

But then being in the Champs league would be closer to 50m you would expect. I'm pretty sure the figure bandied around for Newcastle was about 35Mil, but that is two less games and I'm assuming the new format has higher pay. And 2 more games if we make the top 24 as well.

[kippaxvilla2]

I think I read somewhere last week that Celtic earned £29m from it this season despite finishing bottom of the group - no idea if that includes matchday and sponsorship though.