FFP

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https://x.com/K__AVFC/status/1784958583366389906?s=09

This thread explains why we may have voted against it.

In summary, PL teams can spend loads to get into Europe, but the ones in Europe already can't because of the UEFA FFP rules. So in theory, we're in Europe so can't spend next season. Newcastle, if they don't get in, can spend a shitload if cash without penalty for the season until they get in.

Makes it harder for us to stay  in Europe basically.

I cant read that because Twatter wants to force me to have an account with them to be able to read more than the one post in a thread.

And fuck Twatter because fuck that twat Musk.

So thanks for simplifying it down... 👍

[Edvard Remberg]

It is not very smart to have contradicting rules domestic and internationally - will hurt the teams in Europe

[aev]

Are the new PSR regs done in conjunction with the UEFA ones?

The 70%/85% are UEFA numbers presumably and therefore weren’t up for discussion today?

[olaftab]

Makes it harder for us to stay  in Europe basically.

Not really. We can spend £190M, £170M and £150 on transfers for the next 3 season, more than enough I reckon.
The notion that clubs outside Europe can spend £400M is just a fictitious figure as I can not see any club other than Newcastle maybe being able to spend that much and even if newcastle do it has to be from their earnings and that's not possible for them just yet. To earn more they need to play in Europe and there we have the Catch 22.

[olaftab]

Kurt
@K__AVFC
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The proposed limit for the Premier League is a hard limit figure, so it'll be at least 4 times the amount of club revenue for the bottom team in the Premier League from TV money and possibly commercial revenue. This will also a cap for transfers, wages and agent fees #AVFC (2/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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So for example, if it was in place this year, every Premier League team could spend up to £466m on transfers, wages and agent fees, as that was 4 and a half times the total revenue of the bottom club from last season #AVFC (3/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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Here comes the issue. If you're in Europe, you have to abide by UEFA's profit and sustainability rules as well as the Premier League's. And this is where #AVFC are now at a huge disadvantage compared to every other team in the league (4/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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56m
UEFA profit and sustainability rules are based off the percentages of the individual club's revenue. So its 90% of a club's revenue for 2023/24, 80% for 2024/25 and then 70% from 2025/26 onwards. This percentage is for player and coach wages, transfers and agent fees #AVFC (5/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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56m
For example #AVFC's revenue was £218m last year. So theoretically, they would be able to spend £196.2m in 23/24, £174.4m in 24/25 and £152.6m in 25/26 onwards on transfers, wages and agent fees if they're in UEFA competition for the season and didn't increase their revenue (6/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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The main issue is if you're in Europe, you have to abide by UEFA's profit and sustainability rules as well as the Premier League's. The Big Six won't have an issue, as they already get loads of income to cover both UEFA's and the Premier League's regulations #AVFC (7/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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#CFC abstained and #MCFC voted against because they will now either have to sell or reduce their wages or get more sponsorship. #MUFC voted against as they would want to spend more than the proposed cap. #NUFC have Saudi sponsors and London clubs have big revenue #AVFC (8/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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Which means that clubs outside of Europe can spend at least £400m a season on transfers, wages and agent fees whereas #AVFC can only spend 80% of their club income for 2024/25 (currently £174.4m) and then 70% from 2025/26 onwards (currently £152.6m) (9/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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56m
There's basically a £300m black hole that we can't spend if we don't want to fall foul to UEFA's profit and sustainability rules and either get a financial punishment or get banned from Europe for a year or two #AVFC (10/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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I personally believe there's 2 reasons why the Premier League clubs are lobbying for this. One is so that all clubs can spend money without having to sell their best players, as if we just adopted UEFA's rules, if any of the "lesser named" clubs want to invest #AVFC (11/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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They'd have to sell their best players (#AFCB with Solanke, #CPFC with Eze, #WWFC with Neto etc.) And the other is so that we don't get a debacle again like this season with the likes of Everton and Forest getting points deductions and tainting the Premier League #AVFC (12/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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And also, because the Premier League threshold is so high, teams can just put all their transfer fees on one banksheet and not amortise the fee and carry it over to a European season to comply with UEFA's profit and sustainability rules #AVFC (13/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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So even though #AVFC have very wealthy owners in Sawiris and Edens and would more than likely be prepared to bankroll £400m into the football club for a couple of seasons, they can't, because we are already in Europe and have to comply with UEFA's rules #AVFC (14/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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In fact, it might be in #AVFC's best interests to finish outside of Europe next season, as they'd be able to invest £400m+ and not be subject to UEFA's rules. But because Villa qualified too early, we are hamstrung and clubs outside of Europe can spend £200m+ more than us (15/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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In summary the new proposed Premier League rules are fine. Its the UEFA ones that hurt us the most. Because just as we are on the rise, teams below us now have the opportunity to invest much more money than us and overtake us at the first time of asking #AVFC (16/16)

[jon collett]

I don’t think this is right. There is a limit in spending against turnover. 70 in Europe and 85 domestically

So excessive spending is only ok if revenue is huge!

[pablo_picasso]

Next year is still FFP/PSR though isn't it?

I think the new rules come into play for 25/26 season.

If it gets voted for fully in June/July.

[The Edge]

I don’t think this is right. There is a limit in spending against turnover. 70 in Europe and 85 domestically

So excessive spending is only ok if revenue is huge!

So basically Man Yoo will dominate football again in the near future because their revenue/potential revenue will dwarf other clubs?

[Ads]

I don’t think this is right. There is a limit in spending against turnover. 70 in Europe and 85 domestically

So excessive spending is only ok if revenue is huge!

So basically Man Yoo will dominate football again in the near future because their revenue/potential revenue will dwarf other clubs?

They already spend more than anybody else and they're absolutely shite.

[ChicagoLion]

if 70% of revenue is higher including Europe than 85% of revenue for not being in Europe then we are still better off.
Obviously they will be trying to get revenue up over the next 12 months.

[Footy-Vill]

Did you know the term used will in future be called SCCR

[Footy-Vill]

And that stands for Squad Cost Control Ratio.
Really that's the term to be most aware of.
FFP isn't the term and PSR is the term which stand for profit and sustainability.
SCCR rules will be shadowing PSR next season.

Should we update the thread title or do we rather have a new one?

The main thing is making aware it's rules regarding control ratio of  Squad Cost.

[pablo_picasso]

For example #AVFC's revenue was £218m last year. So theoretically, they would be able to spend £196.2m in 23/24, £174.4m in 24/25 and £152.6m in 25/26 onwards on transfers, wages and agent fees if they're in UEFA competition for the season and didn't increase their revenue (6/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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There's basically a £300m black hole that we can't spend if we don't want to fall foul to UEFA's profit and sustainability rules and either get a financial punishment or get banned from Europe for a year or two #AVFC (10/16)
Kurt
@K__AVFC
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However, in 24/25, we will be getting Champions League money, so for that season we can add another, what?

£100M/£150M, or whatever it is over the season.

Is that correct, or am I thinking too simply...

[Nev]

Are we......the baddies now?

[Dave]

However, in 24/25, we will be getting Champions League money, so for that season we can add another, what?

£100M/£150M, or whatever it is over the season.

Is that correct, or am I thinking too simply...

Why would you be adding £100-150m?

If we got to the quarter-finals (which is hardly a given) we'd make around £50m. If we don't make it out of the inital stages, we'd get around £20m.