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Offline eamonn

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Re: FFP
« Reply #165 on: November 18, 2023, 10:06:08 PM »
Poor Bill Kenwright is barely cold in the ground. Big blow for the Blues.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #166 on: November 18, 2023, 10:37:48 PM »
Don't they give their new signings eight year contracts so they can spread the payments over the same period?

Just sounds like accountants fudging the books , in a similar vein to the way large corporations employ aggressive tax avoidance tactics

I've yet to meet anyone who asked me to arrange it for them to pay more tax.

I've yet to meet anyone who's asked for less public services when they're in need of them. Not that I think Chelsea are fudging the books with their eight-year deals.
Don't they give their new signings eight year contracts so they can spread the payments over the same period?

Just sounds like accountants fudging the books , in a similar vein to the way large corporations employ aggressive tax avoidance tactics

I've yet to meet anyone who asked me to arrange it for them to pay more tax.

I've yet to meet anyone who's asked for less public services when they're in need of them.
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Don't they give their new signings eight year contracts so they can spread the payments over the same period?

Just sounds like accountants fudging the books , in a similar vein to the way large corporations employ aggressive tax avoidance tactics

I've yet to meet anyone who asked me to arrange it for them to pay more tax.

I've yet to meet anyone who's asked for less public services when they're in need of them. Not that I think Chelsea are fudging the books with their eight-year deals.
t that I think Chelsea are fudging the books with their eight-year deals.
[/quote] Not that I think Chelsea are fudging the books with their eight-year deals.
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Offline mike

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Re: FFP
« Reply #167 on: November 18, 2023, 10:39:46 PM »
Fuck me that was an epic quote fail. Tax avoidance = disregard for the wellbeing of the disadvantaged so well said Simon.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #168 on: November 19, 2023, 12:06:29 AM »
This is a wow moment ten points for Everton how much for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty.

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: FFP
« Reply #169 on: November 19, 2023, 12:06:41 AM »
What Chelsea have done is similar to the ‘levers’ Barcelona pulled.  It has given them space now but those wages over the next 8 years aren’t going anywhere.  …and the transfer fees will reduce over a longer term too.

Not sure how they’ll get round it.  Either they sell a good homegrown player each year or hope the rules change.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #170 on: November 19, 2023, 12:21:31 AM »
reflecting on the Chelsea situation, they really have gambled the future stability and future of the club on the likes of Mudryk and Cuccorella , what a shitshow . I was there last season when we won 2-0 , the place felt rotten then, there were still a few remnants of the Abramovich era hanging about the corporate areas - looked like drug dealers with their 2 phones , minders and Luois Vuitton onezies on . A club going down the pan and not before time.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #171 on: November 19, 2023, 12:24:30 AM »
How much did they pay for Mudryk? if ever there was an overated player it's him.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #172 on: November 19, 2023, 12:25:44 AM »
How much did they pay for Mudryk? if ever there was an overated player it's him.
only £90m

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Re: FFP
« Reply #173 on: November 19, 2023, 02:05:10 AM »
Abhishek Raj on the latest Tifo podcast has a (relatively) interesting dive into how Chelsea are able to make things work, with comparison to Juve and Barcelona.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0uAIst9WU0Yuc4kAradta5?si=QOEO0CgHRpmG0hggctdx7w (Spotify, about 32min in)

Some good points about UEFA changing their FFP requirements  - Chelsea not in Europe meaning they have more leeway at the moment as EUFA is more strict than Premier League.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2023, 01:01:18 PM by Garyth »

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Re: FFP
« Reply #174 on: November 19, 2023, 08:01:03 AM »
This is a wow moment ten points for Everton how much for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty.
Everton were about £10m the wrong side and lost 10pts. Fully expect Man City to be deducted 350pts so that it's proportional ....

Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: FFP
« Reply #175 on: November 19, 2023, 08:05:24 AM »
This is a wow moment ten points for Everton how much for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty.
Everton were about £10m the wrong side and lost 10pts. Fully expect Man City to be deducted 350pts so that it's proportional ....

I think I heard that guy Garyth is linking to above (the link doesn’t work for me btw), talking about how much certain owners pumped into clubs over the last ten years. The Everton guy (Moshiri?) spaffed £600m on Everton while Mansoor spent £500m on Man Cheaty.

Highlights the importance of spending wisely I suppose, although no doubt MC were cheating like fuck throughout.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2023, 08:07:48 AM by Percy McCarthy »

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: FFP
« Reply #176 on: November 19, 2023, 08:11:06 AM »
This is a wow moment ten points for Everton how much for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty.
Everton were about £10m the wrong side and lost 10pts. Fully expect Man City to be deducted 350pts so that it's proportional ....

Didn’t they vastly over estimate the corona year where clubs could put in estimated totals as if the virus didn’t happen (something like that)?

Offline pauliewalnuts

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Re: FFP
« Reply #177 on: November 19, 2023, 10:34:35 AM »
This is a wow moment ten points for Everton how much for City or Chelsea if they are found guilty.
Everton were about £10m the wrong side and lost 10pts. Fully expect Man City to be deducted 350pts so that it's proportional ....

I think I heard that guy Garyth is linking to above (the link doesn’t work for me btw), talking about how much certain owners pumped into clubs over the last ten years. The Everton guy (Moshiri?) spaffed £600m on Everton while Mansoor spent £500m on Man Cheaty.

Highlights the importance of spending wisely I suppose, although no doubt MC were cheating like fuck throughout.

When they took over Man City, despite having all the money in the world, they appointed some of the best people in the game to look after their investment - mostly Barcelona's leadership team.

When Lerner took over us, despite spending what was a huge amount of money at the time, he (eventually) appointed the bloke who ran his credit card call centre to look after it.

Offline Simon Page

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Re: FFP
« Reply #178 on: November 19, 2023, 10:41:02 AM »
If shown to be guilty, the only sanctions that would have any effect on Manchester City or Chelsea would be a really long European ban (5 years-plus), multiple relegations or a multi-season Premier League ban. All of which would be fun but probably legally unenforceable. Unless it's 10 points for every season or breach.

Even so, they'd have to dock Man City 60 points for them to be even close to a relegation fight.

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Re: FFP
« Reply #179 on: November 19, 2023, 10:50:10 AM »
If shown to be guilty, the only sanctions that would have any effect on Manchester City or Chelsea would be a really long European ban (5 years-plus), multiple relegations or a multi-season Premier League ban. All of which would be fun but probably legally unenforceable. Unless it's 10 points for every season or breach.

Even so, they'd have to dock Man City 60 points for them to be even close to a relegation fight.

I think I read that if they get ten points for each of their 115 breaches, they have to claw them all back over the seasons, and got promoted every season then in the 2050/51 season they'd get promoted to League Two.

 


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