collapse collapse

Please donate to help towards the costs of keeping this site going. Thank You.

Recent Topics

Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc. by LeonW
[Today at 03:25:48 PM]


Evann Guessand by SaddVillan
[Today at 03:24:10 PM]


Pre season 2025 by martin o`who??
[Today at 03:09:47 PM]


Leander Dendoncker - on loan to Anderlecht by VILLA MOLE
[Today at 03:09:43 PM]


Season Ticket 2025/26 by amfy
[Today at 03:06:36 PM]


Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread by olaftab
[Today at 02:40:19 PM]


Lucas Digne by cdbearsfan
[Today at 12:42:58 PM]


Zepiqueno Redmond by London Villan
[Today at 10:28:59 AM]

Follow us on...

Author Topic: FFP  (Read 496066 times)

Online brontebilly

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11058
  • GM : 23.06.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1050 on: March 04, 2024, 08:32:14 PM »
What does a new stadium give us that a new North Stand and down the line a new Witton Lane and the warehouse etc can't give us?

Villa Park is one of our unique selling points- do we want to be just any old club playing in a bland soulless bowl?

You would like to think management have a plan but then you see Chris Heck's efforts since he joined us and you would really have to wonder. Does CL qualification strengthen the club's case for the council to follow through with badly needed investment in public transport nearby or a new stadium site? Do the local council really care?

To think we could qualify for the CL this season and  maybe a European trophy and still have to sell a Luiz or Ramsey to balance the books. What's the point then really ...we will be hard pressed to keep Emery not to mind some key players if that's the case.

Online Demitri_C

  • Member
  • Posts: 12123
Re: FFP
« Reply #1051 on: March 04, 2024, 08:33:47 PM »
I would rather take a 10 point deduction than sell luiz ti be honest. He is absolutely fundamental how we play and i think it would be a disaster for us if we sold him. Ill personally be devastated.  If it came to choice of JJ or luiz it would be JJ for us.

Surely if we get CL then we may not need to sell as we can make some money from that? If we had to sell for me it would be digne and cash.

Offline Risso

  • Member
  • Posts: 89939
  • Location: Leics
  • GM : 04.03.2025
Re: FFP
« Reply #1052 on: March 04, 2024, 08:40:38 PM »
What I don't get, is how we can possibly afford not to rebuild the North Stand to remain viably competitive with our peer group?

West Ham have a nice big, free ground. Newcastle have a ground 25% larger than ours. Everton are about to move into a brand new ground which is 14k larger than ours, and will doubtless have nice spangly, extensive new hospitality functions. Spurs have already got theirs.

I just don't see how we're ever going to be able to stay competitive financially - now that the owners can't just spunk the money into the club whenever they feel like it - without massively upgrading our core asset, the stadium.

Genuinely, one for Risso or other financial types, but how on earth can we hope to do it?

Yeah, new shirts deal, maybe CL next season, but even that could only amount to a handful of matches. So how do we do it?

God knows.

Obviously the sale of one star player will wipe out a lot of the losses, so if we see an Emi/Luiz/Ramsey go for £75m+, then that's going to put us back on an even footing. But even if they have to grudgingly do that, then I'd have thought you want the increased income from a bigger, better stadium on top of that as well. The other thing is, every other club seems a bit reticent to spend huge amounts now, so selling a better player may be harder than we think in the summer.

Otherwise, we're pretty well going to be dependent on Emery performing miracles every year, and hoping we can sell 2-3 of the promising kids.

I absolutely get the argument about building a new stadium, and if it was in the right location I wouldn't be averse to it at all. But it's going to take a minimum of 8 years, and in that time our income is going to be left behind.

Heck is obviously going to get as much income as he can out of what we've got already, so it's pretty certain we'll get:

- Big price hikes across the board
- More areas being turned into corporate or GA+, eg more of the Trinity turned into full corporate as there's still lots of space inside they can utilise for more seating
- GA+ Marquees in the car parks a la Leeds
- Trying to squeeze a few more seats in where they can

But then we'll still be left with two stands that are nowhere near good enough, and where people can't get served.

Heck could have carried on with the plans, or even made them better, THEN tried to extort as much money out of 50,000+ fans, rather than 42,000. It's baffling, it really is.


Online lovejoy

  • Member
  • Posts: 9524
  • Location: Haywards Heath
Re: FFP
« Reply #1053 on: March 04, 2024, 08:44:51 PM »
If we broke even the year before and lost £120m less £70m so say £50 FFP and we comply then we’ve got some room for manoeuvre next year.

Offline aev

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5350
  • Location: Beckenham
  • GM : 07.01.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1054 on: March 04, 2024, 08:46:28 PM »
The transport is clearly a problem, and we are not going to be getting much help in sorting that out.

Offline Risso

  • Member
  • Posts: 89939
  • Location: Leics
  • GM : 04.03.2025
Re: FFP
« Reply #1055 on: March 04, 2024, 08:48:28 PM »
The wage bill went up over £1m a week. Bloody hell.

Offline itbrvilla

  • Member
  • Posts: 7402
  • Location: Birmingham
  • GM : 16.02.2022
Re: FFP
« Reply #1056 on: March 04, 2024, 08:49:29 PM »
The wage bill went up over £1m a week. Bloody hell.
Wow! That's nuts

Online john2710

  • Member
  • Posts: 3069
  • Location: Hall Green
Re: FFP
« Reply #1057 on: March 04, 2024, 08:50:35 PM »
The club must have planned for this, it's not like it will come as a surprise to them. The rules haven't suddenly changed & we've been caught out. The press will make dramatic statements like fire sales & Champions League qualification or financial meltdown but I have every confidence the club know exactly what they are doing.

If we choose to sell one of our top players, I'm sure we'll have a ready made replacement lined up. We'll be able to attract players who would have been out of reach previously.

After the first game of the season when were without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey & Moreno, I thought our season was as good as over. If one of our top players is sold, we'll spend it much better than we did the Grealish money & be stronger for it.

Offline PeterWithe

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10717
  • Location: Birmingham.
  • GM : 05.03.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1058 on: March 04, 2024, 08:52:44 PM »
Well Purslow was in charge for the year of these set of accounts and wasn't he on the committee who came up with these rules?, so if he didn't understand them then no-one else stands a chance.

Online Monty

  • Member
  • Posts: 29182
  • Location: pastaland
  • GM : 25.05.2024
Re: FFP
« Reply #1059 on: March 04, 2024, 08:52:53 PM »
The club must have planned for this, it's not like it will come as a surprise to them. The rules haven't suddenly changed & we've been caught out. The press will make dramatic statements like fire sales & Champions League qualification or financial meltdown but I have every confidence the club know exactly what they are doing.

Honestly? I'm not sure Heck has earned anything like that. Nor did Purslow.

Offline aev

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5350
  • Location: Beckenham
  • GM : 07.01.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1060 on: March 04, 2024, 08:54:24 PM »
The wage bill went up over £1m a week. Bloody hell.
Wow! That's nuts

“Central support functions”

Online PaulWinch again

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 54889
  • Location: winchester
  • GM : 25.05.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1061 on: March 04, 2024, 08:54:50 PM »
I’m curious about the relationship between this and then the spending in Jan (apparently having a mandated requirement to buy back Archer) and the new deals that have been dished out. All feels a bit incongruous, but then I’m not a numbers man.

Offline Tuscans

  • Member
  • Posts: 8058
  • Age: 46
  • Location: Newport, South Wales
  • GM : 08.02.15
Re: FFP
« Reply #1062 on: March 04, 2024, 09:03:31 PM »
Aren't these losses before PSR deductions. From here the club fil in form 3A that all clubs file for the deductibles. This is then double checked by the PL then they inform the club their final PSR calculation.

Been listening to a lot of Simon Jordan. I think that's correct, isn't it?

Online Gareth

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 7027
  • Age: 50
  • Location: Redditch
  • GM : 25.02.2026
Re: FFP
« Reply #1063 on: March 04, 2024, 09:05:46 PM »
This is where we’ll see the difference of not having Purslow….if he was here we’d get one of his videos explaining the position (a little) - what we will get is zero communication/explanations & in a months time we’ll all still be playing guessing games on what financial position is.

Offline Forge10

  • Member
  • Posts: 371
Re: FFP
« Reply #1064 on: March 04, 2024, 09:07:25 PM »
Does anybody know what this really means or are we all just speculating? I guess what I’m asking is can anybody reassure me before I go to bed please? What a kick in the teeth it would be if we managed to get top 4 then have to dismantle a squad that is already thin.

 


SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal