Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[sickbeggar]

Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Yeah I'm just saying it  easily gets out of hand fast as the owners are probably aware of when seeing the accounts when they bought us. It's like Arsenal where they spent a fortune on players who didn't play and haven't got the CL revenue to cover them, so now are giving out contracts to players getting the wrong side of 30 because they're still the best they can get and probably selling players they'd rather not in Willock and Martinez and buying goalkeeper No.4

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Tottenham are not considering any swap deal for Weston McKennie with Juventus, again. Paratici signed McKennie one year ago and loves the player - but Spurs would only consider an initial loan move. White circle #THFC

There are also other Premier League clubs in the race for McKennie.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430893632240844802

God, I'm bored today!

Interesting. So Spurs only want him on loan and Juve have no interest in letting him go on loan and won't sell for less than 25-30m euros.
Other clubs interested are us, Everton, Palace and West Ham.

Wes needs to get him on the phone before the porn dwarf starts sending him brown paper packages in the post.
If Juve really need the money we should be ripping their hand off.

[Stu]

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Tottenham are not considering any swap deal for Weston McKennie with Juventus, again. Paratici signed McKennie one year ago and loves the player - but Spurs would only consider an initial loan move. White circle #THFC

There are also other Premier League clubs in the race for McKennie.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430893632240844802

God, I'm bored today!

Kin hell, Spurs.

[Demitri_C]

Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?

[villadelph]

Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?

I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.

[Sexual Ealing]

Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?

I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.

He can eff the effing eff off then. And if he has any friends in Transylvania they can eff off too.

[Richard E]

I've never heard of him <whispers it quietly and then rushes off immediately>

[Big Ming]

Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?

I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.

He can eff the effing eff off then. And if he has any friends in Transylvania they can eff off too.

....and when he gets there, he can eff off some more?

[Risso]

Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Yeah I'm just saying it  easily gets out of hand fast as the owners are probably aware of when seeing the accounts when they bought us. It's like Arsenal where they spent a fortune on players who didn't play and haven't got the CL revenue to cover them, so now are giving out contracts to players getting the wrong side of 30 because they're still the best they can get and probably selling players they'd rather not in Willock and Martinez and buying goalkeeper No.4

I don't think we're anywhere close to it getting out of hand though. We've got good cover all over the park, except for  DCM. Of the players we've bought who might struggle to get game time, we have:

Guilbert - Smith seems not to like him much, but he only cost $4.5m, which is buttons these days.
Wesley - looks like a mistake, and the injury probably finished what little chance he had of making it.
Hourihane - we've had more than our money's worth for him, imagine he'll leave on a free.
Sanson - might be decent, but we don't know as permanently injured.


Other than that, everybody else seems to get a reasonable amount of game time. If we bought somebody else, you'd think it would be Nakamba cut adrift, but we've hardly got a huge bloated squad with loads of people sat around, Richards-style doing fuck all.

[paul_e]

Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Again you're bringing money into it when there is no evidence to say that is causing the delay. Smith was pretty clear about not wanting to stockpile players so I see no reason to dig deeper. We've clearly shown interest in midfielders so it's not like he doesn't see a need, he just doesn't want to overload the squad.

Personally I'm confident that we are still looking and will bring someone in but it will involve someone going out and both deals will happen after brentford.

[DrGonzo]

I love the fact that you've just fallen out with a player over no quotes.  It's a speculation piece that we are even interested in him..!  Let alone whether or not hie is interested in us. 

[Lastfootstamper]

I don't think we're ever standing still these days. I'm sure that there's things going on regards potential comings and goings, feelers being put out, questions being asked and answered, phone calls and emails back and forth. Whether anything actually comes of these remains to be seen. Better to say "we're done" publicly and have nothing happen and live with supporters being a bit grumbly than to say "we're looking to move a couple out and get one or two in before the window shuts" and still have nothing happen while your supporters fume and bay for blood.

[tomd2103]

10?  Who are you including there? I make it 7...

Doug
Mcginn
Sanson
Ramsey
Houri
Nakamba
Chuk

Not sure who else you've included.

For me i wouldn't be counting Chuk in the numbers because it's still his breakthrough year so 6 plays for 3 positions, i suspect and incoming is based on houri going out.

Depends on how the management team view the different roles I suppose.  If they view Luiz as more of a number 6 and McGinn as a number 8, then they might feel we have enough options already.

I personally would like to see Luiz play in more of an 8 role and McGinn further forward so would think we need another defensive midfielder, with Hourihane being the expendable one in the above group.

[Dante Lavelli]

I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.

I also think with a Liverpool style 433 the skill set of the midfield three largely overlaps ie they’re ‘jack of all trades, master of none’, rather than specialists, so two quality alternatives plus youth payers is more than enough imo. 

[Dave]

I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.

I also think with a Liverpool style 433 the skill set of the midfield three largely overlaps ie they’re ‘jack of all trades, master of none’, rather than specialists, so two quality alternatives plus youth payers is more than enough imo.

They also combine that with three attackers who are all de facto strikers. Whereas our striker supported by three attackers then requires more defensive focus than any two of our midfielders can realistically give.

If we wanted to mimic Liverpool (and I'm not suggesting we should or will) I'd be looking at all those brilliant tackling / defensive stats that Buendia had for Norwich, pulling him back into the midfield three and seeing if he could do what Wijnaldum did for them for the last few seaons. Then having Bailey / Ings / Watkins playing as three forwards.

The extra body being deeper reduces the need for a purely defensive midfielder, but all are capable of decent passing to find any of the front three who have more license to stay further forward.

It would also need Cash and Targett to show a lot more attacking nous than they have so far.