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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 03:02:02 PM

Title: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Thought I would start this one up.  This isnít a who we need thread itís the rumours thread.  New players only get their own thread when signed or when Percy tweets it.  Sorry Iím feeling assertive today.

According to Percy we are targeting another winger and striker this window which I think we all agree are needed...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on April 03, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 03, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Cover/competition for Targett, please.

A good defensive midfielder, also.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
That Percy is nearly as good as our Percy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
Ads said the same. I assume when they say striker, they mean the number 10 type to replace Barkley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 03, 2021, 03:34:12 PM
We need a back up/competition at both full backs.
A defensive midfielder - Nakamba doesn't seem to be in favour.
A better value for money attacking midfielder than Barkley - unless Jack moves inside, then we need two wingers.
A striker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on April 03, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
A unit for the middle of midfield, a useful unit.  A winger, rapido,
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2021, 04:30:52 PM
We need to bring in four or five players cover at left back and right back if Freddie leaves midfielder and winger and another striker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on April 03, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
Turning into a Ďwho we needí thread already 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2021, 04:43:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaine-Kessler steps up to the 1st team squad next season as back-up right back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 03, 2021, 04:48:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaine-Kessler steps up to the 1st team squad next season as back-up right back.

I agree.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2021, 05:10:59 PM
If Chelsea are going to go for Haarland I wonder if that would make Tammy a possibility?
It would certainly give us a two up front option, as both he and Ollie can play across the line
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
Turning into a Ďwho we needí thread already 😂

Yes.  Ah well without many rumours we might as well indulge!

Iíll take Messi, Aguero and Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
Turning into a Ďwho we needí thread already 😂

Yes.  Ah well without many rumours we might as well indulge!

Iíll take Messi, Aguero and Haaland.

Although it doesnít fit our transfer profile I would love Aguero at VP.
Ollie would certainly be learning from the best.
Wages may be an issue, but put him on the same as Jack.
Donít know what his injuries have been like, though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
I'm amazed no one thinks we need cover at CB: we have been very lucky with no injuries to to Konsa and Mings this season.
I want another class CB; may persuade Smith that sometimes a back 3 is a useful fallback tactical approach.
I'd love a Trossard or Pereira to come in as cover for Grealish.
And, we'll need cover for Targett.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
Leicester are going to do well to replace Vardy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 03, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
I'm amazed no one thinks we need cover at CB: we have been very lucky with no injuries to to Konsa and Mings this season.
I want another class CB; may persuade Smith that sometimes a back 3 is a useful fallback tactical approach.
I'd love a Trossard or Pereira to come in as cover for Grealish.
And, we'll need cover for Targett.
I think we do need cover - especially if Engles leaves. Hause seems to pick up a few injuries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2021, 08:08:04 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
Jeez Iím losing it.  The Vardy post was for the other games thread.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 08:56:03 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 03, 2021, 09:03:33 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
I like him. And he obviously did well for us previously. But is he fit often enough ? And more importantly is he massively better than the kids I see ripping up the U23ís well ahead of their age group and the likes of Dominic Revan n loan at Weymouth ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 09:18:20 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever Iíve seen him for manure he hasnít looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on April 03, 2021, 09:18:28 PM
Does anyone know the rules with regards to U23 players and whether they need to be declared in the 25 man squad?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever Iíve seen him for manure he hasnít looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

The other question is, why would he want to leave their bench for ours?

This is the issue with signing understudies, there are very few who are decent that will come unless there's a sniff of Champion's League football. It's been said many times before, but we ought to be looking to turn some of the current first team into back-ups. Apart from Martinez, Konsa and Grealish there are conceivable upgrades for all the others.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
I like him. And he obviously did well for us previously. But is he fit often enough ? And more importantly is he massively better than the kids I see ripping up the U23ís well ahead of their age group and the likes of Dominic Revan n loan at Weymouth ?

I would safely say his track record for us next to Mings would suggest he is a long way ahead of any of our u23s. He's had a tough spell at Man United alright but they have huge competition at CB. His injury record is obviously a real worry but he is still only 23 and did well for us previously.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 03, 2021, 10:31:02 PM
Abraham or Isak to add competition up front. Thorgan Hazard and the marquee signing of Christian Pulisic to signal out intent. Heís in and out of the Chelsea team and Tuchel might want to cash in to bring his own players in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2021, 10:36:17 PM
Tuanzebe and a Tuanzebe, Tuanzebe-zebe-zebe!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever Iíve seen him for manure he hasnít looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

The other question is, why would he want to leave their bench for ours?

This is the issue with signing understudies, there are very few who are decent that will come unless there's a sniff of Champion's League football. It's been said many times before, but we ought to be looking to turn some of the current first team into back-ups. Apart from Martinez, Konsa and Grealish there are conceivable upgrades for all the others.

Smith needs to change his approach next season with regards to player rotation. Don't think Watkins has missed a minute for us this season yet, that's not remotely sustainable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 03, 2021, 11:02:54 PM
I donít see us spending really big this summer. I think theyíll look to bring in 2 or 3 high quality 1 team ready standard players and then bolster the first team squad from u23s / academy. Donít know about who to get in or even who weíd be looking at- Iíd assume a couple of overseas under the radar wonder kids for fairly modest money and then maybe a big money signing or 2 from UK. One Iíd really be trying to get and would be maybe willing to spend over on would be Abraham. I reckon weíve got a chance of getting him and also think he would improve us as I rate him probably top six quality, which is what we should be aiming at next season regardless of where we finish this season.

Think 9th is probably best we can aim for now unless we go on a mad run like at the start of the season. Weíd then be having to sell ourselves as such to potential signings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 03, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2021, 11:15:36 PM
Abraham or Isak to add competition up front. Thorgan Hazard and the marquee signing of Christian Pulisic to signal out intent. Heís in and out of the Chelsea team and Tuchel might want to cash in to bring his own players in.

i too think there could be good value at Chelsea.  Pulisic, Gilmor and Tammy being players that I could see them letting go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 03, 2021, 11:17:01 PM
They won't let Pulisic go. Firstly, he's really good. Secondly, he could help make Chelsea the biggest club in America.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 03, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 03, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".

Agree! But I love the free market!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:21:29 PM
A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)

Thought this was a championship manager link, half expected to see To Madiera on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 03, 2021, 11:23:14 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".

Agree! But I love the free market!

Let's not fall out, now. ☹
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:37:56 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 03, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.

Aren't Chelsea from London?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:46:30 PM
Indeed they are, a previous poster alluded to them being the biggest club in ďAmerica ď if they withhold the services of Pulisic.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.



On that basis add Boca and River Plate too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:00:56 AM
Absolutely Dante, Chelsea arenít even in the top 6 supported clubs in the UK let alone the US, clown talk as usual.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
Why are all your posts confrontational?

Chelsea are the fifth best supported club in America already according to research. You'd have to be a complete clown not to think having the pre-eminent American player might boost that standing.

Even if it doesn't, there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made even from being one of the better supported teams over there, so don't expect them to let a potential US superstar leave.

https://www.giltedgesoccer.com/most-popular-soccer-clubs-in-the-u-s/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2021, 12:16:02 AM
Excuse the woeful naivety, but how well supported are Real & Barca amongst the Spanish-speaking communities over there?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:21:44 AM
Effectively from Southern California- Texas - Miami, Real Madrid or Barcelona are all Mexican / South American natives second team - after their Mexican club side or South American equivalent.

This doesnít even account for some of the more northern cities like Chicago that also have high Hispanic populations.

Chelsea are small fry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
Excuse the woeful naivety, but how well supported are Real & Barca amongst the Spanish-speaking communities over there?

Number 1 and 2 overall according to the list I linked. I've genuinely no idea if Hispanophones of, say, Mexican or Puerto Rican descent feel any particular affinity with Spain.

In any case, it is still a minority sport over there.

I've been to a few NFL games in London and can't recall ever seeing, for instance, a Chargers fan. If the Chargers get a British superstar and win multiple Super Bowls, they'd be the most popular NFL team in Britain in very little time.

So it will be with casual American "soccer" fans if Pulisic achieves similar success. Which is what Chelsea will be hoping. In any case, as I said, he's genuine quality. They'd be mad to let him go, commercial reasons notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Like I said, Chelsea are small fry, see how Everton and Fulham got on in North America having Donovan and Dempsey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 04, 2021, 12:26:23 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt weíd get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:27:17 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
Pulisic has won how many European titles and PL titles with Chelsea?

Like I said, Chelsea could dominate the world ( which they wonít ) and they still wouldnít scrape the surface of American viewers compared to others, Club Americas in Southern California are just one.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:33:26 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt weíd get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.

Part of me thinks this would be amazing and part of me thinks never go back. I dunno, can't decide. Not sure I fancy Watkins playing on the wing either, though he is definitely talented enough to do so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:35:51 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:36:00 AM
Pulisic has won how many European titles and PL titles with Chelsea?

Like I said, Chelsea could dominate the world ( which they wonít ) and they still wouldnít scrape the surface of American viewers compared to others, Club Americas in Southern California are just one.

I was clearly talking about how many trophies they could win. You could try just reading my posts.

I've listed the most popular clubs in America already. In any case, they're not competing with Mexican clubs for fans. They want to be better supported than Man U, Liverpool, etc, and having an American megastar would give them a good chance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:38:23 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about.

Fair enough, I was using "America" to refer to the country USA, as per the common colloquial usage, as opposed to the continental landmass.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:40:39 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about.

Fair enough, I was using "America" to refer to the country USA, as per the common colloquial usage,  as opposed to the continental landmass.

I learnt that whilst there. They hated America being considered only the USA. They clearly trained me well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:43:38 AM
It's a fair point. I was talking about a player from USA but, still, I have long thought that the demonym "American" lacked precision but there isn't really an alternative for describing someone from that nation. USA-ian?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:48:40 AM
It's a fair point. I was talking about a player from USA but, still, I have long thought that the demonym "American" lacked precision but there isn't really an alternative for describing someone from that nation. USA-ian?

Check with a Canadian but North America(n) was their preference.

Regardless I think Pulisic would be an ideal signing. Chelsea must need to jettison some players to allow Tuchel to sign the players he want so there must be players we can pick up (barkleyís value now being eff all).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:51:17 AM
Regardless, I think we've no chance of signing Pulisic. Sadly. He's class.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:57:27 AM
Regardless, I think we've no chance of signing Pulisic. Sadly. He's class.

sadly I agree.  He played for my home town as a kid, brackley, so he he is from the midlands (when not american) but thatís not relevant to his career ambitions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 12:59:31 AM
I'm more interested in your overseas exploits now, sorry. 🙂

What took you to Guatemala? Is it nice? Struggling to think of too many places I know less about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 01:07:54 AM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2021, 01:14:09 AM
You and your mate were just biking your way round the Americas. Are you sure you're not Che Guevara?

I will add it to my list of places to visit if I ever get any money. 🙂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 02:23:04 AM
I think we have good first choices at RB, LB, CF, CB x2, GK, but apart from Keeper we need better backup options to cover for injury and loss of form.  I think first choice upgrades are needed on both wings because Trez isn't PL standard, AEG has one good game in 5 and Traore often goes from the sublime to the ridiculous in the same movement.   As for midfield, maybe a bit of a big unit to dominate it and provide competition for Luiz, SJM, and Sanson.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 03:07:47 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JD on April 04, 2021, 03:37:25 AM
Why are all your posts confrontational?

Chelsea are the fifth best supported club in America already according to research. You'd have to be a complete clown not to think having the pre-eminent American player might boost that standing.

Even if it doesn't, there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made even from being one of the better supported teams over there, so don't expect them to let a potential US superstar leave.

https://www.giltedgesoccer.com/most-popular-soccer-clubs-in-the-u-s/

Bunch of glory hunters  ;).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 06:47:27 AM
Abraham would make total sense. As would Tuanzebe.

Might as well get Glenn Whelan, Alan Hutton and a few others back 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 06:48:51 AM
Teams need to spend £50 mil to stand still.
Therefore we need to spend £100mil correctly, like we did last summer.

Keep upgrading 4-5 players each season in the squad and weíll keep making progress.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 04, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 07:45:52 AM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.
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Post by: Ads on April 04, 2021, 08:08:47 AM
Swaris has made another £3bn, FFP is going out the window. We'll spend £100m easy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 04, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
I didnít anticipate my suggestion of Pulisic causing quite such debate. Iíd go along with the theory that itís highly unlikely.
Thereís many things that we couldnít offer him but thereís a few that would appeal such as playing every game in an up and coming team being centred around him and Jack. Heíd be our Robinho signing.
See also Gio Reyna, another probably out of our reach but I feel itís the type of player and standard that we should be after if weíre serious about competing.
Maybe the owners will continue down the development route rather than ready made but the evidence is theyíre very persuasive.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 04, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever Iíve seen him for manure he hasnít looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

Bring him back just for the song
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on April 04, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

After the two years when you went to get your bike back did he tell you it would be ready next week. ;)*

* Very old joke, sorry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: exigo on April 04, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.

Stunning place. Best coffee in the world too, thanks to the volcanic foothills it's grown on there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 04, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt weíd get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.

Part of me thinks this would be amazing and part of me thinks never go back. I dunno, can't decide. Not sure I fancy Watkins playing on the wing either, though he is definitely talented enough to do so.

Thatís about where I am, too.
But, I do think Ollie and Tammy could play up front as a pair as they both can play along the line.
Tammy didnít seem to play as an out and out centre forward, he frequently appeared out wide when he was with us. I donít know how he plays at Chelsea, though
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 04, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
Some Belgian paper saying Engels might be off to Royal Antwerp in the summer, them having tried to sign him in January.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on April 04, 2021, 02:00:33 PM
Engels looks so good at the start of that season. I wonder what happened
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Confidence and I think other teams worked him out a bit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 04, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
Itís amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.

I think you'd love it, mate! Enjoy!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
Would keep an eye on what Real Madrid do.

If they get Haaland would mean at least one of Jovic, Vinicius Jr or Rodrygo are potentially available on loan.

Jovic back scoring at Frankfurt and they're in very good shape to make top 4 in Bundesliga so he'll probably go back there full time but the other two have been in Brazil squads with Doug and perhaps even Wesley so you never know as Madrid loaned Odegaard out when he was regular start of the season.

I'd also look at someone like Daniel James from Man. United. Fits the profile of what we're looking at and while he's raw in many respects he is very quick and chips in with goals so would be interesting option for the right.

Certainly feels a summer where we really need to step things up and get in genuine quality in final third. The back up squad cover can be for the backline.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
I think Daniel James would have been good if it had been straight from Swansea. Seen it all too often where a player at one of the privileged clubs drags their feet over a transfer or feels like they're doing us a favour just by joining us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2021, 08:13:28 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

We can continue to sign up and comers aswell but last few weeks have shown we desperately need some more personality and quality in the front line so wouldn't say a 20 year old who's already played 73 games for Real Madrid would get overawed in games we play without Grealish.

Eventually we will have to start signing more proven players from the very top level in football as quite simply that's what Man. City and Chelsea started doing soon after taking over and both started winning stuff within 2-3 years.

Would be fine with Giroud or Tammy though if the Aguero to Chelsea rumour is true though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 08:16:15 PM
Chelsea and Man City scattered hundreds of millions everywhere until something stuck. Hugely inefficient. Can't see us doing that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on April 04, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Well Aguero is reportedly wanting to stay in PL. How about showing the world the Villa mean business, the ďJack must go to a big clubĒ talk is a load of b#####ks, the value of him at the training ground with Ollie and the young players coming through. Signing him would really show the owners intent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 04, 2021, 09:41:31 PM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 05, 2021, 09:41:01 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.

Oaxaca and San Cristobal (Chiapas generally are great places).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2021, 09:55:38 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.

The very same. Spent most of our time in Oaxaca City so far, which is wonderful. We came to the coast over Christmas and New Year (San Augustinillo/Mazunte), which was also wonderful. Came back to the coast the other day (Puerto Escondido), which is yet to win me over.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 05, 2021, 10:47:46 AM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

ĎThe boy Zidanes a tírrific talent and wor delighted to have him.í
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 11:45:22 AM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 11:51:25 AM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?

The only thing I recall was Smith saying that he had two sporting directors who did a lot of the work, and while he had his input with them, they made his life as a football manager much easier.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2021, 12:01:51 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

ĎThe boy Zidanes a tírrific talent and wor delighted to have him.í

I was watching a podcast of an interview with an ex-footballer who Bruce signed when he was at Blues.  He said Bruce completely froze him out of the first team picture after just a couple of months and when he went to see him to ask him why he had signed him in the first place, Bruce's reply was that he had scored against his teams a couple of times.  Sounds about right.
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Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:22:55 PM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?

The only thing I recall was Smith saying that he had two sporting directors who did a lot of the work, and while he had his input with them, they made his life as a football manager much easier.

English football manager praises directors? What witchcraft is this?!.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

ĎThe boy Zidanes a tírrific talent and wor delighted to have him.í

I was watching a podcast of an interview with an ex-footballer who Bruce signed when he was at Blues.  He said Bruce completely froze him out of the first team picture after just a couple of months and when he went to see him to ask him why he had signed him in the first place, Bruce's reply was that he had scored against his teams a couple of times.  Sounds about right.

Hence Henri Lansbury.  Did Hogan also score against us when Bruce was manager?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
No. Hogan never played against us when Bruce was manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 01:15:35 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
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Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 01:24:40 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
It may all be about opinions, but what the hell are you on?
Jones and Chamberlain: no thanks!
For Winks, read Sanson, Ramsey or Luiz.
McNeil - possibly, although I suspect he'll go to a Chumps League team.
Abraham - yes, if we can.

I'm amazed that your thorough analysis work has not prompted you to talk about cover at CB (realistic, not Jones!) and at LB.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
Abraham maybe, McNeill haven't seen enough to comment. The others: no. A fully fit Chamberlain would be good, but there is no such thing. Jones is wank, there's no way he would be willing to become back up and is worse than any of our starting defenders.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 01:32:27 PM
Anyway, Haaland and Messi for me, please Villa. Wouldn't mind Saint-Maximim, too.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 05, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Swaris has made another £3bn, FFP is going out the window. We'll spend £100m easy.

Where did you see this Ads?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villa for life on April 05, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
I donít see Abraham as being an especially  talented footballer, but he does know where the goal is. Might work if Watkins moves out wide, but Watkins is the new Defoe so that would be a waste.

Try and buy players to improve service to Watkins. Buendia.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
I'm sure I read a quote from Abraham when he was here that he preferred to play from wide, that he didn't consider himself a 'natural' number 9.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 02:23:21 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
It may all be about opinions, but what the hell are you on?
Jones and Chamberlain: no thanks!
For Winks, read Sanson, Ramsey or Luiz.
McNeil - possibly, although I suspect he'll go to a Chumps League team.
Abraham - yes, if we can.

I'm amazed that your thorough analysis work has not prompted you to talk about cover at CB (realistic, not Jones!) and at LB.

Does Phil Jones still play or does he just do the Stan Laurel looky likey appearances now 🤔😀
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 05, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.
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Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.

His best wasn't good enough, christ knows what level he's at now. He was bought on potential, he was an absolute brick shithouse at 18, but he didn't develop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
For me, in priority order:

Big Strong DM
Young Left Back
Young Centre Back
Forward who can play across the line

The DM I'd be looking for someone in their mid-late 20s that we could potentially get the most out of whilst the U23 lot keep developing with loans and sub appearances. I'd probably be looking at the clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy that are just missing out on Europe but I don't have anyone in particular I'd be going for.

Up front i've given the names of the sort of players I'd be looking at before but I think it's crucial that they're good playing a bit wider as well as central.


The 2 defenders I'd prefer to be U23 so they're ok with being understudies and coming through as they develop, I'd still be looking for them to have a whole bunch of appearances to their name though, 21-22 year olds with 10-15 senior matches to their name are just too big a risk because you can only judge them on what they might turn out to be. Someone like Konsa is a good example of what to look for, signed as a 21 year old with over 100 appearances to his name.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 04:39:30 PM
For me, in priority order:

Big Strong DM
Young Left Back
Young Centre Back
Forward who can play across the line

The DM I'd be looking for someone in their mid-late 20s that we could potentially get the most out of whilst the U23 lot keep developing with loans and sub appearances. I'd probably be looking at the clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy that are just missing out on Europe but I don't have anyone in particular I'd be going for.
Up front i've given the names of the sort of players I'd be looking at before but I think it's crucial that they're good playing a bit wider as well as central.
The 2 defenders I'd prefer to be U23 so they're ok with being understudies and coming through as they develop, I'd still be looking for them to have a whole bunch of appearances to their name though, 21-22 year olds with 10-15 senior matches to their name are just too big a risk because you can only judge them on what they might turn out to be. Someone like Konsa is a good example of what to look for, signed as a 21 year old with over 100 appearances to his name.
Can't disagree with any of this.
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Post by: eddiemunster on April 05, 2021, 04:42:23 PM
 Agree with most posters, that we need cover for LB, CB , DM and a player who can play on either wing.
 If Davis is sold/loaned out, and if Brentford don't get promoted, I'd have a cheeky punt for Ivan Tomey.
 I hope we don't waste £millions trying to purchase Barkley.
 More importantly, in my view, are we going to release/sell the likes of Taylor, Guilbert, Engels, and Elmohamady, and are we going to promote some of our youngsters or are we going to spend on more cover players??
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 04:51:02 PM
Agree with most posters, that we need cover for LB, CB , DM and a player who can play on either wing.
 If Davis is sold/loaned out, and if Brentford don't get promoted, I'd have a cheeky punt for Ivan Tomey.
 I hope we don't waste £millions trying to purchase Barkley.
 More importantly, in my view, are we going to release/sell the likes of Taylor, Guilbert, Engels, and Elmohamady, and are we going to promote some of our youngsters or are we going to spend on more cover players??

We won't be signing a right back, I think Guilbert will get a chance for the first half of the season and if Smith isn't happy with him Kessler will step up from the U23s, he looks pretty close already so by Christmas I think he'll be banging the door down anyway.

Engels (if he does go as expected) and Taylor probably need to be replaced because we don't seem to have anyone ready to step up yet.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
We were much better earlier in the season when Barkley was actually playing well. We need a good version of Barkley, an extra brilliant winger and another centre forward. Possibly an extra left back. I would give Elmo another a year at right back while we wait for Kessler to come through. I suspect Smith will want rid of Guilbert.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 05:17:23 PM
For fullback cover, we might need to consider a CM or defensive mid who can come in and play left back as required - similar to what Milner does now (but far younger than that, obv).

It's not that unusual on the continent, where sides with stretched resources can't afford two quality specialists in every position.

I don't see a left back who is already playing to a high standard in one of the better leagues coming in and being content to be back up to Targett.  But as a designated midfielder who can play in more than one position in the centre of the park and at the back, he may reason he'll see much more game time.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 06:21:22 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.

I'm trying to find players of that calibre that's what I could come up with at the time with fair reasoning.
Do think an experienced player from a top 4 team should be looked at being brought in
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
The only experienced players we would be able to get from the top four will be those that are no longer good enough to play there. As that is where we are aiming for, I don't see the point.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 06:27:29 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Can play left back and left wing and still only 20.

He might have more of a chance at Spurzzz if Moaniniho is potted this summer, mind.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 06:39:48 PM
I think competition and not cover is essential for this squad.
Basically having players push first team places

Centre back being someone to compete for a starting role
Full back who can play both sides like James Justin to push target and cash. (We were after Justin but he went to Leicester someone like this though)

A striker who proven to score goals and pushes Watkins if not up alongside. So that's Abraham.

Centre backs therefor would be likes of Zouma ,Laporte , Ake are gettable
And ok not top 4 but we could entice likes of Dunk ,Tarkowski, Egan , O'Connell
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Post by: Dave on April 05, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Hoffenheim I believe
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 07:01:09 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Hoffenheim I believe


Bless you
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Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
Olise at Reading looks like the real deal, Iíd like to think heís on our list of possible targets, although I appreciate weíd be one of many clubs looking at him. Scored a great goal today as well.
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Post by: robleflaneur on April 05, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Neto from Wolves,young and mobile striker.
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Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
I think competition and not cover is essential for this squad.
Basically having players push first team places

Centre back being someone to compete for a starting role
Full back who can play both sides like James Justin to push target and cash. (We were after Justin but he went to Leicester someone like this though)
A striker who proven to score goals and pushes Watkins if not up alongside. So that's Abraham.
Centre backs therefor would be likes of Zouma ,Laporte , Ake are gettable
And ok not top 4 but we could entice likes of Dunk ,Tarkowski, Egan , O'Connell
Not Phil Jones then?!😁
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2021, 09:13:04 PM
David Neres from Ajax would be good imo. Not sure how he's doing but he was a regular in their CL SF run two seasons ago and can play CF or one of the wide positions so fits what we need.

Only 24 and I presume Doug knows him and think he has two years left on his deal so Ajax will want to cash in now.

Think that's the sort of step up in quality signing we should be looking at now.
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 09:16:15 PM
Sessegnon is a good shout.

Dunk, Egan, O'Connell aren't top 6 quality.

Tarkowski would be good but I don't think he's any better than Konsa and would certainly want to be starting games so I'm not sure.

Zouma, for me, looks too clumsy, at a club like Chelsea he gets away with it to an extent but I suspect he'd give away loads of free kicks playing for a team like us.

Ake is ok but plays left side and we have Mings and Hause there which is fine.

Laporte would be a fantastic signing but I suspect if he leaves it's to another CL club.

I think I'd prefer us to be looking at the U21 sides in the current euros (when the knock out rounds resume next month), I don't have any names to mention but in defence I don't think we need to be looking for players to start games immediately (3rd best defence in league remember) so I'd rather go for players that we can afford to let settle in.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2021, 09:20:40 PM
Saiss would be decent imo. Always looks rock solid for Wolves from what I see of them (o.k perhaps not tonight!) and he's played all of CB in back 3, LB and defensive midfielder in premier league so would be good utility player to have around and give a bit more flexibility to go 3 atb on occasions.

One year left on his deal there and they don't seem that bothered about giving him new deal given he's 31 but feels the sort who'd do a decent job filling in here and there as we're probably due loads of injuries at the back next season given we've got off relatively lightly in that area this year.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 05, 2021, 09:26:33 PM
What's Benni McCarthy up to these days?
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Post by: nigel on April 05, 2021, 09:55:55 PM
One for the future. Just read weíre interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 10:51:52 PM
One for the future. Just read weíre interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there

He looks very good, would fit in well with the U23s
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Post by: OzVilla on April 06, 2021, 12:03:50 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
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Post by: algy on April 06, 2021, 07:46:54 AM
One for the future. Just read weíre interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there
Good shout, would be a handy player to have around the U23s.
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Post by: steamer on April 06, 2021, 09:25:31 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
I agree.
options in driving midfielder , forward to compliment /stand in for Ollie and a winger
Youngster's to act as cover for backline
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 09:45:59 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we donít have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.
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Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2021, 10:27:13 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we donít have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.

Nakamba will be off I suspect. He isn't good enough with the ball really. We need an upgrade in that LCM position.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 10:51:24 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 06, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Agree with Smithy and paul_e about James Ward-Prowse.

When he first starting getting recognition, I didn't understand what the fuss was about, but I've watched his contribution in games more closely since and he looks really good.

Very mobile, works hard and (critically) intelligently in terms of recognising a threat or an opportunity. Clearly he has quality in terms of passing and set pieces and he is disciplined enough to do a job for the team - reference the last game against us that we were lucky to win.

He was used to counter Grealish and did well in that role, recognising the quality that Jack has.

He's 26 and has played over 260 PL games, so is low risk compared to players in other leagues. He also has his best years ahead of him.

As their Captain and someone who has been at the club since he was 8, he will be expensive, but if we are to progress we need to add players that are more 'proven' than 'potential'. UTV
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Post by: AV82EC on April 06, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).

Swap Loftus Cheek for Hojberg of Spurs and I agree. I thought Loftus Cheek utterly disappeared from the game second half after causing issues all 1st half.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
If Engles is away, Kristoffer Ajer at Celtic has been advised by the Norwegian national manager to move to further his career.

Has been one of their better players in a poor season.

A big unit at 6ft 6 but decent on the ball and still only 22. Can play centre back or defensive midfield.

The Scottish League isn't much cop admittedly, but Van Dyke and Dembele made the transition to a better standard with relative ease. He'll have good international experience as well from his time with Norway and in the CL/ Europa League with Celtic.

I'd see a deal like that as more likely than signing Tarkowski, Dunk (who looks like a plodder to me) or anyone else who has regularly featured for PL sides and will expect a starting place and wages to match from the off.

Good to have a Scandi centre half back n'all.

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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 11:42:54 AM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 06, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).

Swap Loftus Cheek for Hojberg of Spurs and I agree. I thought Loftus Cheek utterly disappeared from the game second half after causing issues all 1st half.

Indeed, I forgot about Hojbjerg. I included RLC simply because what he was doing in the first half was exactly the same thing as the others did but we eventually countered it by bringing Davis on and he bullied them back and it completely swung the game. I don't think a forward will always be the answer though so I'd like us to pick up a midfielder to do it.
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Post by: jwarry on April 06, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!

Declan Rice it is then!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 06, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!

Declan Rice it is then!
It'd be nice if Rice fancied a step down
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 06, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we donít have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.


Seems Doug is a new online boo boy for some reason. Yes he hasn't been in great form for a few months now but it's wrong to say he's been rubbish in every single game in that period.

Surely given we have a top 5 defence the DM should get a huge amount of credit for that and Doug has played 90% of the games just like Kante and Henderson get credit when their respective teams post top 5 defensive statistics.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 06, 2021, 10:52:57 PM
He's also really young. He is still developing. He's already better than, say, Delph at the same age and he was excellent for us, until he turned out to be a twat.
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Post by: DB on April 06, 2021, 11:11:34 PM
That Bellingham looks decent, imagine if we signed him after the Blose retired his shirt. Chortle.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 06, 2021, 11:11:52 PM
Iíve no concerns about Douglas Luis whatsoever. Heís 100% a starter next season for me. I actually think this dip in form could be a blessing if it throws off Citeh.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2021, 11:22:09 PM
Iíve no concerns about Douglas Luis whatsoever. Heís 100% a starter next season for me. I actually think this dip in form could be a blessing if it throws off Citeh.

Yup.
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Post by: john2710 on April 07, 2021, 12:11:13 AM
We'll need a backup left back & centre-half to replace Taylor & Engels. Maybe younger players from the Championship or Europe.

Kesler will step up to cover right back, of the U23's he's the one who looks physically ready. Guilbert will go back to France.

A big solid defensive midfielder - Sander Berg from Shef Utd. Probably to replace Nakamba.

A creative midfielder to replace Barkley, with Ramsey as backup.

A wide player to upgrade on El Ghazi & / or Trez.

A forward who can play across the front line or maybe see how Wesley is. Davies to go out on loan.

That's 6 new players, 2 of them starters. That's going to cost upwards of £120m. Starters like Luiz & McGinn will be under pressure to stay in the team.

Some of the U23's to go on loan.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 07, 2021, 12:42:53 AM
Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.


Can't agree with this bit.  Our back up fullbacks are Elmo and Taylor, neither of whom are at the required level.  Our back up CBs are Hause who is solid but not great on the ball, and Engels, who looked dreadful in his last few appearances, hasn't played for ages and appears to be on his way out.  A couple of injuries and our solid defence would be rather ropey I think.
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Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 07, 2021, 03:34:46 AM
Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.


Can't agree with this bit.  Our back up fullbacks are Elmo and Taylor, neither of whom are at the required level.  Our back up CBs are Hause who is solid but not great on the ball, and Engels, who looked dreadful in his last few appearances, hasn't played for ages and appears to be on his way out.  A couple of injuries and our solid defence would be rather ropey I think.

Agree with this. Our back up fullbacks aren't very good. Hause has done well when called upon, but maybe injury prone. I don't think we should give up on Engels just yet.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 08:39:43 AM
Thereís no way Engels is ever getting a look in under Smith again.
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Isn't Taylor out of contract anyway?

Mings and Hause can play there if required. The young lads coming through might be worth a look too.

Engels is fine as a back up in the centre.

Guilbert will be back in the summer as back up to Cash.

We've been linked with midfielders such as Berge. And forwards like Abraham and King. Those are the areas of the pitch that we could do with some cover in.

I'm hoping we get to see more of Davis because he has lots of potential. I reckon next season could be his breakthrough but I'd still like another player with pace.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 09:07:51 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 09:11:19 AM
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

Yup - like Spurs did with Rodon or Everton with Godfrey. Someone who will come in, knows that they are probably behind Mings and Konsa to start with but will get chances, and with the confidence to think that they will push one of them (probably Mings) out of the side.

Much like Konsa did.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 07, 2021, 09:47:49 AM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
A Godfrey-type would be great, really good young defender who can play anywhere along the back.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

Yep Engels was rumoured to have had a row with Smith about his training methods I seem to recall. He was then frozen out, but when given a chance, came in and did *that* against Spurs, at which point Dean probably thought "bollocks to you".
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 07, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
there's no point in keeping Engels if Smith has an issue with him. We need someone who generate proper competition for Mings and Konsa to keep pushing them. And, if Engles has hardly played for a year, he probably won't be ready when required.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 10:06:32 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
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Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2021, 10:17:24 AM
I really like Engels. Imagine if that header had gone in at Wembley and we had ground-out Extra Time to win on pens...he'd be a hero now.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 07, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Think there was some row Engels had with Smith after the home defeat to Southampton where Shane Long tore him a new one.

Hause despite his limitations has done well for us when called upon this season. But it's an area we need to strengthen over the summer.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 10:23:58 AM
I liked him too, don't think Smith does though.
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Post by: Daleyís dreads on April 07, 2021, 10:31:56 AM
Iíve seen oil tankers turn quicker than Engels - think he will be off. Not sure how much we will get for him now though. Definitely a young, versatile defender to come in for me. Aina maybe at full back. Can play both sides.
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Post by: in exile on April 07, 2021, 11:13:29 AM
We need to be spending BIG in the summer transfer window in my opinion, if we are serious about progressing into a top six side.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 07, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
there's no point in keeping Engels if Smith has an issue with him. We need someone who generate proper competition for Mings and Konsa to keep pushing them.

Good luck with that.
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
Rather than competition for Mings and Konsa, I think what we need to have is competent replacements should they need to miss any games. Hause didn't cost much and looked good when he came in for Mings but spends a lot of time on the injured list. We could do with a right footed equivalent who doesn't have an injury track record and would be comfortable playing on the left as well as the right.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 07, 2021, 12:07:05 PM
Goalkeeper - no changes.  Competent back ups for Martinez.  If Heaton leaves it probably means a step up from youth for the back up to Steer.

Right Back.  No changes.  Guilbert solid back up.  Young kid If necessary.

Left Back.  Cover for Targett.  Ryan Sessegnon.

Centre Half.  One more cover.  Engels to go.  Someone from Brentford most likely.  Or the captain from Cheltenham.  The bloke who played well against Citeh. 

Midfield.  Box to box midfielder needed.  Genuine pace and energy.  Dele Alli?  As someone said the other day a consistently decent version of Barkley.  At least one or preferably two new wingers.  El Ghazi to leave for definite.  Sessegnon converted possibly. 

Forward.  Keep Davis.  Sign another but proven striker to work alongside Ollie or instead of if we change system during a game and put Ollie on the wing.

Iím struggling for some names but those are the positions we need to improve I think.

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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 07, 2021, 12:11:45 PM
Surely the priority is going to be improve the first X1 in positions we do not have top 6 level players.
That is Defensive Midfield and Attacking wide Player Centre .
Then getting back up  in the areas that are weak which is RB  LB CF .

 
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 12:19:18 PM
Surely the priority is going to be improve the first X1 in positions we do not have top 6 level players.
That is Defensive Midfield and Attacking wide Player Centre .
Then getting back up  in the areas that are weak which is RB  LB CF .

Makes sense.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 07, 2021, 12:27:49 PM
Agreed - first choice first - hence the replacement wingers have to be first choices.  The striker is going to either work with or interchange with Ollie.  The law of averages suggest that he might need a break at some point.  I think the current first choice defence is okay - with the possible exception of Mings but he is a real leader on the pitch.
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 12:36:24 PM
I think the only major gap right now is a big physical midfielder (doesn't need to be particularly defensive though) so that's the number one priority for me. This replaces Barkley/Hourihane in the squad.

After that we need a couple of back up options in defence to replace Taylor, Elmo and Engels who are all probably leaving.

Once that's done we have everything we need but with question marks over Wesley (mainly fitness) and AEG still not stepping up to fulfil his potential still I'd be tempted to let the latter go and bring in someone who can play wide or central and gives us options.

I do see why people are talking about a winger or 2 as priority but for me our midfield has been the problem in the last few months and once that's addressed I think our attacking players will show they are better than we've seen recently.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
He's also really young. He is still developing. He's already better than, say, Delph at the same age and he was excellent for us, until he turned out to be a twat.

yeah I think an issue is like last season where he seemingly couldn't managed games for 90 minutes and was better as impact sub until the run in...being a starter for a 40 game season and keeping up his consistancy is a little beyond him at his age so far.

Let's remember Brazil are starting him game after game in last year so they know he's a serious player and he'll be good again for us next season.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:50:00 PM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

I agree. Gulibert loan was just to get some French club to pay a couple of million euros for him, either the one he's at or someone else. Can't see him playing for us again.

Engels hasn't played a single minute for us since March 2020 if I've got that right so he'll want to move on for sake of his career and we have to be careful not to have too many demotivated players on fringes in our squad as that impacted in MON era although it's slightly different dynamic now.

Loads of decent CBs around we can get who could do a Konsa as others have said. Fine with Hause sticking around as he was excellent over xmas so shown he can come in for 4-5 games in a season and do a job and is low cost back up.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Rumours Wolves will sell Neto this summer as Fosun funds are starting to run dry Lerner style...

Wonder what year we'll do the big club thing of going to rival and taking their best player for 40/50m? Last time we did that was Bent but in typical Villa fashion in last decade we signed him at the wrong time so it wasn't a signing as good as it could've been.

Before that, Dublin, Merson, Ginola? So way back.

Would be a hugely exciting signing anyway as he's a very good player.
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Post by: Ian. on April 07, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
I do hope we go for Neto, heís a great player. Even the other night when he was a bit out of sorts he was a threat. He looked very frustrated too. Wolves certainly are not making the most of some of their attacking players at the moment.
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 01:19:05 PM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

I agree. Gulibert loan was just to get some French club to pay a couple of million euros for him, either the one he's at or someone else. Can't see him playing for us again.

I make no claim of being an expert on Ligue 1, but I think he's done pretty well for Strasbourg. Enough to make someone slightly richer than them come in for him I expect.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
I think the only major gap right now is a big physical midfielder (doesn't need to be particularly defensive though) so that's the number one priority for me. This replaces Barkley/Hourihane in the squad....
... our midfield has been the problem in the last few months and once that's addressed I think our attacking players will show they are better than we've seen recently.
That's exactly as I see it. With JG, McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey Major, Traore, Trez, Chuk, Ramsey Minor and L Barry we are well-served in front of a new strong CMF (think Declan Rice or Jordan Henderson as the blue-print to recruit on) and behind / alongside Watkins.
We do not an alternative / cover for Watkins, of course. Davis adds further tactical scope if he shows his capability in the next 9 games.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:26:24 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!

Why you!

*Shakes fist angrily in direction of mobile phone screen.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:26:46 PM
Plus, as I think cdbullyweefan has pointed out in the past, defenders and the buying of them is a bit uncool, square and boring. Hep cats discuss the merits of spunking the budget on Coutinho.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 07, 2021, 02:34:43 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.

Personally I think we'd be well set up for a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 formation - or at least trialling it.

The danger with three at the back is it can become 5 if you have three centre halves who are effectively just stoppers and the wing backs get pegged deep. With most sides playing one up top these days that's a waste of resources that can be used further forward.

But in Mings and Konsa we have two pacey centre backs who can get up and and support the play as required and are more than comfortable doing the defensive stuff as well.

With an attack focused 3-4-3, you would have - as an example - a left centre half in Mings who has played left back for the majority of his career and can bomb forward, you could have a player like Sessegnon wide left who has played in various positions on that flank and could drop in to cover, with Grealish on the left of an attacking front three with licence to cut in and roam. In that scenario Targett would miss out which would be harsh, but could suit us against some opponents.

I don't think we've played that formation once under Smith yet, mind.  So the chances of seeing it are slim to none.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Just no! How many times! Three centre backs is the work of the Devil! 😡

Next person to suggest it gets added to my Enemies List. I'm warning you! You don't want to end up on a list with Bono, do you?
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:38:41 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.

Maybe, but I was thinking more samba-style swaggering up the pitch than ashen-faced cowering out of the way.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
I do agree that it's probably not worth persevering with permanently for reasons the Witchfinder of Yardley says, but when played properly with a proper sweeper and wing-backs it was good to watch. Then came John Gregory, a flat back five and a defensive midfielder.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:46:55 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.

Or going forward, or indeed, looking like a professional footballer at all. (Obviously this does not apply to the current incumbents).
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

Is the missing answer "Zombie Rangers" and the question "What do posters that use multiple aliases obsess about most"?
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 07, 2021, 02:50:13 PM
Summer List for me:

Striker (Tammy)
Winger at least x1 maybe x2 - (Brooks from Bournemouth)
CM - Upgrade on Barkley (Olise)
DM - Some proper enforcer
LB - Competition for Targett  - (Rico Henry)
CB - Upgrade on engels and someone to properly challenge Konsa/Mings  (Dunk)
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 02:52:39 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 07, 2021, 02:55:10 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?
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Post by: Mellin on April 07, 2021, 02:55:27 PM
Did we not learn the lessons from only having three centre backs from, what, 3 years ago?
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
Summer List for me:

Striker (Tammy)
Winger at least x1 maybe x2 - (Brooks from Bournemouth)
CM - Upgrade on Barkley (Olise)
DM - Some proper enforcer
LB - Competition for Targett  - (Rico Henry)
CB - Upgrade on engels and someone to properly challenge Konsa/Mings  (Dunk)


That's too many changes for me, 2-4 in the summer and 1-2 in the winter should be the aim for the transfer windows if you're managing things properly. Aside from that you've given 5 names, 1 is a bit part player at a decent team, 1 is a regular in a bottom half of the league squad and 3 are decent championship players. I'd hope that we're aiming a little higher than that because that lot would probably mean a stronger squad but I don't think they'd improve the team very much.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:55:43 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:56:22 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.

It depends on how good your players are. It was working extremely well for Chelsea until their last match. Obviously if you're up against a better team, it becomes a 5-3-2, but if you're using it on the front foot with good attacking full backs, it could work, especially when you have two players as good as Cash and Targett.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

Is the missing answer "Zombie Rangers" and the question "What do posters that use multiple aliases obsess about most"?

I'll reply using one of my other usernames later.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:58:52 PM
Any system that leaves a team with players Chelsea have open to the shellacking they got from a pile of shite like the Albion needs binning, pronto.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 03:01:52 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)

I agree with LeeB.
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Post by: Border villan on April 07, 2021, 03:05:55 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

We need evidence that they are not one and the same person.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
"No, it's not the fecking programme, but if you don't buy it kids die in Africa because of YOU, ya bollocks!"
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 03:15:40 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.

It depends on how good your players are. It was working extremely well for Chelsea until their last match. Obviously if you're up against a better team, it becomes a 5-3-2, but if you're using it on the front foot with good attacking full backs, it could work, especially when you have two players as good as Cash and Targett.

but if you have players that are so good what benefits do you get from playing 3 centre backs? As I said I think there's just too many ways to counter it compared to 4 at the back and someone sweeping in front as a DM. You have the same number of defensive players but they just fit together better in almost all circumstances.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 07, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !
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Post by: CT on April 07, 2021, 03:48:10 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !

He must have set up a pretty high percentage of John Carewís goals. They linked up so well.
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Drop Mings and Play Cash, Konsa and Targett as a 3......... :-)
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2021, 04:09:30 PM
What has Brooks done this season at Bournemouth to think he'd help us make the next step? Plus they'd want ridiculous money for him based on very little.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 07, 2021, 05:05:29 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)

I agree with LeeB.

It's not like me to agree with cd and LeeB, but on this one occasion I do tend to. Three centre halves is the system we'd play if the Tories sacked Dean and outsourced the management of the side to Serco.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 07, 2021, 06:18:21 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !

I think Ashley Young is the most exciting player I've seen for us, before he moved into the middle and wasn't as good. Possibly Grealish too.

Solano and Benteke had their moments as well.
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Post by: DrGonzo on April 07, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
I still feel that McGinn is not being used to his fullest playing so deep.  That corker he scored for Scotland shows exactly what he is capable of if he plays up and around the opposition area. We need the new Makelele, whatever his name is..?
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 06:47:08 PM
Well, I'm delighted to have lit the blue touch-paper under you non 352-likers.

And my message to you lot is: the Left Side / Tiswas / Celtic / Fuck 'em off!!)
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Post by: brontebilly on April 07, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Didn't we do ok with McGrath, Ugo and Southgate? Staunton too at times. Would be good to have the option there, Tuanzebe would be a good fit I think for that role and could RB too.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 08:06:18 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 08:10:09 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.

Brian Little liked it. Put him on your list and you'll be thrown in the canal to see if you float.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on April 07, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
If we play 'The WM Formation' does it mean we will play all of the anti Villa nutters that phone in on a weekly basis? Also would 'Polly' get in the side ahead of Ross Barkley?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
The 3 at the back under Little was different because, at the heart of it, we had one of the greatest defenders to have ever played the game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 07, 2021, 09:21:29 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.

Brian Little liked it. Put him on your list and you'll be thrown in the canal to see if you float.

I liked Brian, but I wouldn't want him as manager now. I would want three centre backs now, either. Some things are better left in the past. Did you see the remake of "Porridge"?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 07, 2021, 11:01:14 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SirSteveUK on April 08, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 08, 2021, 04:18:35 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 

I'm not sure a team of Dion Dublins would work.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 08, 2021, 06:57:02 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 

My preference is to strengthen the XI first as each new first teamer, in turn, strengthens the squad.  For example I think a world class winger should be a greater priority than competition for Watkins.  After that buy the best youngster.  If the squad is too full then their pathway to the team will be restricted and the best are less likely to come.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on April 08, 2021, 07:01:01 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 
Unless weíre on the cusp of winning trophies like Man City I donít think weíre in a position yet to be buying that much quality in depth. Also keeping that standard of player happy while not playing is another issue we are no where near rest for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldnít agree more - with right players itís a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
Would definitely hope that part of the brief Lange has been working on is to find a player who can be first team regular but is a high quality deliverer of set pieces because we havenít had great threat from them most of this season.  Iíve watched Ward-Prowse a lot this season and he is top, top quality with set piece delivery bit as I have said before I canít work out if he is actually a good player in open play?

Think we will see a big turnaround in defence where it is likely Guilbert, Engels, Hause, Elmo, Taylor & probably Revan will all depart....from the u23ís youíd expect Kessler to step up as back up right back...like what I have seen of Bogarde & Chrisene but sure theyíll probably spend next season with the 23ís or out on loan so we will need some reinforcements at left back to back up Targett (competition would be even better) & centre half x2, Tuanzebe would always be high on my wish list there to be the right sided Konsa competition and hopefully a left sided centre back from the continent to give Mings a run.

Midfield if Nakamba wants to go then we will need a more physical option in there.

Front 3 obviously depends on whether Jack is still here - Tammy seems an obvious choice up top if available  - Iím sure weíll have another summer hearing the name Rashica, I only watched him play a couple of times after restart when Bundesliga was ahead of the curve and wasnít impressed but that was a time when nobody really impressed.  Would definitely let El Ghazi go & if we could get a replacement Trez too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
Would prefer to work towards a strong 16/17 and then the rest of the squad made up of promising young players coming through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 08, 2021, 01:20:18 PM
I would like Tammy - but would he accept our bench from Chelsea's as i am sure Dean will stick with a lone striker

Replace midfield flair we hoped, and saw glimpses of from Barclay with Deli Ali

Wide attacker - not sure how Rashica has performed since we were looking at him (just had a look and not great is i believe the answer)

LB and LW - I still like Ryan Sessignon as he covers both positions

We need real quality 1st teamers
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 08, 2021, 01:31:17 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.


I read that and thought , what utter bollocks!  they are not even trying
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Moonraker on April 08, 2021, 01:46:56 PM
FI also say that Lee Hendrie says Villa should "look to Brentford" to buy players from. Thanks for the tip FI..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 08, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.
Bye, Dean - thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 08, 2021, 02:32:10 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
Sessegnon is still a good shout; and was last summer when mooted by several people here, several times. Played 16 times in the Bundesliga with 2 goals and 2 assists.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on April 08, 2021, 02:42:13 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!

Or buy Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2021, 04:08:12 PM
Aston Villa fans have taken to Twitter in delight after The TelegraphĎs John Percy revealed that Matty Cash in is line for a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 08, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldnít agree more - with right players itís a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back

I also don't see how it's overly defensive - if used correctly.

Four at the back is a remnant from when two sides regularly played 4-4 meat and two veg. So the two centre halves picked up the little and large forward combo that were de rigueur back then. The full-backs picked up the wingers and so on.

But with sides usually playing just one up top today, you can make the argument that two regular centre halves in a back four is often overkill.   If you played three Eric Dyer-style plodders at the back and defensive fullbacks (or your wing backs are so shit they can't get forward and dominate) then yes, that could look defensive.

But Ajax's 3-4-3 or 3-1-4-1-1 under Van Gaal in the 90s and other interpretations since wasn't defensive.

We have two pacey centre backs who have both played as full-backs (and in Konsa's case as a midfielder) before so if any side was to trial something like that to give us more options in attack, it could be us.  If you come up against sides such as Man Citeh, Liverpool etc and try to match them in formation, more often than not they'll beat you with their superior players in a straight match up. The key is to get a man over in parts of the pitch than can hurt them or forces them to adjust.

Against all that:  A manager needs to have faith in the formation he plays. Smith seems a thoughtful, progressive enough sort. For all we know, he's trialled it in training and isn't convinced of the benefits.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2021, 04:46:08 PM
Mbappe is entering final year of his contract at PSG. Time for Lange to start talking to his agent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!

Or buy Brentford.
We effectively have over the last 2/3 seasons. It's our southern academy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2021, 05:22:25 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldnít agree more - with right players itís a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back

I also don't see how it's overly defensive - if used correctly.

Four at the back is a remnant from when two sides regularly played 4-4 meat and two veg. So the two centre halves picked up the little and large forward combo that were de rigueur back then. The full-backs picked up the wingers and so on.

But with sides usually playing just one up top today, you can make the argument that two regular centre halves in a back four is often overkill.   If you played three Eric Dyer-style plodders at the back and defensive fullbacks (or your wing backs are so shit they can't get forward and dominate) then yes, that could look defensive.

But Ajax's 3-4-3 or 3-1-4-1-1 under Van Gaal in the 90s and other interpretations since wasn't defensive.

We have two pacey centre backs who have both played as full-backs (and in Konsa's case as a midfielder) before so if any side was to trial something like that to give us more options in attack, it could be us.  If you come up against sides such as Man Citeh, Liverpool etc and try to match them in formation, more often than not they'll beat you with their superior players in a straight match up. The key is to get a man over in parts of the pitch than can hurt them or forces them to adjust.

Against all that:  A manager needs to have faith in the formation he plays. Smith seems a thoughtful, progressive enough sort. For all we know, he's trialled it in training and isn't convinced of the benefits.

It's reliant on dominating the ball, if you're getting 45%-ish possession then it will naturally become a back 5 and gives you the problem of leaving huge amounts of space for opposition full backs. that's the main reason it's not used more, most decent teams have full backs that will hurt you if you let them have space.

I agree that getting an extra man or creating gaps is the key but my personal preference, as I've mentioned many times, is to play a 4312 without an outright centre forward so you leave their centre backs with no one to mark. With the current squad Jack in as a 10/false 9 Watkins inside left and Traore inside right would be my choice. I'd then go with Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn and ask McGinn to get into the box late whenever he can. Defensively it becomes a 4 with Jack dropping in a touch so McGinn and Luiz can support the fullbacks and we can leave the front 2 high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2021, 05:36:08 PM
Mbappe is entering final year of his contract at PSG. Time for Lange to start talking to his agent.

Leave it to Sawiris!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
The 3 at the back under Little was different because, at the heart of it, we had one of the greatest defenders to have ever played the game.

McGrath was being eased out at that time IIRC. Can't remember how much of a regular he was in 95/96 but certainly not playing early part of 96/97 and soon moved on to Derby.

The genius from SBL was deciding Southgate could play in there as he was mainly a DM at Crystal Palace and him and Ugo were great mix with Staunton playing a fair bit as LCB.

Brian Little said in his book he went against his instincts in summer 1997 moving away from that formation just to fit Collymore in. Pretty sure Yorke started that season playing in midfield for some bizarre reason and that got scrapped after the first 4 games.

I think we could play a 3-4-2-1 pretty comfortably with what we've got. Worth noting for instance Douglas Luiz played a fair bit in a back 3 for Girona for instance so I'd be intrigued him slotting alongside Mings and konsa at the back which could allow us to sign the mythical 10ft tall DM and we could do the two number 10s thing that worked briefly well under Sherwood with Jack and Traore floating off the CF.

Decent plan B option.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 08, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
I'm not really in to a back 3 option.  I think more than any other position, a good defensive partnership is all about stability (think Dixon - Adams - Bould/Keown - Winterburn at Arsenal, or Maldini - Baresi - Costacurta - Tassotti at Milan).  Both of those played basically the same back 4 in practically every game for a decade or more.  They were also rock solid defences.  I'm all for saying that our current back 4 should be playing together for a good while yet, and we shouldn' t look to massively disrupt what's already one of the best defences in the league.

I think there's a massive case, though, for us to be able to play a number of 4-defender-based formations, and to be able to swap between them during the match.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 08, 2021, 11:23:35 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.

I think we will struggle to hold onto the likes of Guilbert and Nakamba this summer. Smith gave them precious little game time this season so I'd expect both will try and move on. Davis and Heaton will both be off on loan surely bar a late season surge from Davis.

I think we will see a lot of change this summer in personnel with some of our promotion winners and Suso's signings moving on. Barkley leaving too obviously. That's before the Grealish situation plays out over the summer again. Do we have another young gun like Ramsey capable of stepping up next season into the first team squad?

Left centre mid bruiser, some options at the back, backup to Watkins and replacement for Barkley required as a priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 09, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
A back 3 too easily becomes a back 5 and I don't know why we're looking to go away from a back 4 that's worked so well for us.

For me, our problems are -
1) The lack of a high quality number 10 which worked really well before Barkley's injury and meant Jack could be more influential.
2) A lack of creativity in the side when we have neither a quality number 10 or Jack. A quality wide player would help so that we would then have Jack, a number 10 and another. Then if Jack's out for a time, we still have 2 creative outlets in the side.
3) Shoehorning an out-of-form Luiz and a player like McGinn, who's not an out-and-out defensive midfielder, as the 2 anchors that are needed to make 4-2-3-1 work. Sign a quality out-and-out defensive midfielder for genuine competition for places and ensure that if you're not in form, you don't play.

Elmohamaday, Taylor, Engels, Guilbert, Nakamba, El Ghazi, Hourihane and possibly Heaton I would speculate are likely to leave.

Kaine-Kesler will probably become understudy to Matty Cash and we may look to add squad depth through some of the kids. Sinisalo becoming third choice keeper if Heaton leaves. Maybe Revan, Bridge or Bogarde (longer-term) being back-up to Mings/Konsa/Hause.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
The consensus is that we need to recruit players that will improve the starting line-up and also that we find opportunities to develop our emerging and talented youngsters.

Obviously I agree with that.

Beyond that, it appears some want 'good back-up' options and that is inevitably part of assembling the most competitive squad.

Though I think, particularly in attacking areas, we need players that are at least as good as those that are picked for a particular game, i.e. of comparable quality so that we can make changes when for a number of reasons we are not creating chances (an off day for a player that starts, how the opposition has set up, etc.)

In such circumstances our options should include players that offer something a bit different BUT are still of the quality we need to be competing at the top end of the PL. Hence Traore has to be part of the picture for me - to start and come off if not working or to be on the bench to come on to try and spark a change.

One of the barriers to our progress now is if Grealish is neutralised or Traore is not 'on it' or we are providing Watkins with poor or limited service.

Our bench now is very poor at offering options to address. UTV
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2021, 01:10:58 PM
The consensus is that we need to recruit players that will improve the starting line-up and also that we find opportunities to develop our emerging and talented youngsters.
Obviously I agree with that.
Beyond that, it appears some want 'good back-up' options and that is inevitably part of assembling the most competitive squad.
Though I think, particularly in attacking areas, we need players that are at least as good as those that are picked for a particular game, i.e. of comparable quality so that we can make changes when for a number of reasons we are not creating chances (an off day for a player that starts, how the opposition has set up, etc.)
In such circumstances our options should include players that offer something a bit different BUT are still of the quality we need to be competing at the top end of the PL. Hence Traore has to be part of the picture for me - to start and come off if not working or to be on the bench to come on to try and spark a change.

One of the barriers to our progress now is if Grealish is neutralised or Traore is not 'on it' or we are providing Watkins with poor or limited service.

Our bench now is very poor at offering options to address. UTV
Your point about Grealish is why I suggested elsewhere that Brighton's Trossard might be worth adding to our squad. He seems to be a hard-working, skillful player who can do different things as well as find a decent pass.
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Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.

I think we will struggle to hold onto the likes of Guilbert and Nakamba this summer. Smith gave them precious little game time this season so I'd expect both will try and move on. Davis and Heaton will both be off on loan surely bar a late season surge from Davis.

I think we will see a lot of change this summer in personnel with some of our promotion winners and Suso's signings moving on. Barkley leaving too obviously. That's before the Grealish situation plays out over the summer again. Do we have another young gun like Ramsey capable of stepping up next season into the first team squad?

Left centre mid bruiser, some options at the back, backup to Watkins and replacement for Barkley required as a priority.

Haha, you're kidding right? You're a Tabloid reporter aren't you?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
Re Trossard, from what I have seen of him, I agree Mister E. He looks a very good player.
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Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2021, 03:43:07 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
Agreed, and clubs and agents will be well aware of how minted our owners are.

But progressing from 'top half' to 'top 4' is very unlikely if we take too many punts on players that might work out. We are now in a position where we need more proven, not potential, ability.
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Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2021, 06:44:31 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
Agreed, and clubs and agents will be well aware of how minted our owners are.

But progressing from 'top half' to 'top 4' is very unlikely if we take too many punts on players that might work out. We are now in a position where we need more proven, not potential, ability.

If the scouting network is set up correctly then we should be signing people just as they're shifting from potential to proven, that's how we went last summer with Martinez, Cash and Watkins and all three were fantastic calls who've shown they absolutely belong in the top half of the premier league. If we can deliver a similar group again I'll be very happy.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 09, 2021, 08:08:02 PM
We should also consider deals for young players where we sign them but leave them on loan at the same club so they can develop whilst close to their families etc.  The chap at Reading being a prime example.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2021, 08:38:12 PM
I think the signing of players from the Championship might be how we do our business this summer. We've had great success with Watkins and Cash :)
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Post by: OCD on April 09, 2021, 08:53:09 PM
We should also consider deals for young players where we sign them but leave them on loan at the same club so they can develop whilst close to their families etc.  The chap at Reading being a prime example.

I want us to get to this point but if FFP is still an issue, we may need to use our budget for immediate impact.

We should still be hoovering up the best young talent though like last year when we signed Chrisene from Exeter.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 10, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
I hope we are in for Olise at Reading.  Alongside Eze heís the closest likeness to Jack I have seen.  He glides rather than runs and has superb control of the ball.
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Post by: OCD on April 10, 2021, 11:36:26 AM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2021, 10:00:41 AM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.
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Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 10:04:02 AM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.

Neto or McNeill would be brilliant. Our three wide options aren't good enough for us to progress. Both of those are very good at carrying the ball up the pitch which we badly need.

We all like Tammy but Watkins was signed to lead the line. We won't be signing Tammy for big money for him to rotate with Watkins. Few of the London clubs are in dire need of a striker..West Ham, Arsenal or if Kane leaves Spurs.

Think we need more of a replacement for Davis in the squad really and then for Smith to actually give that player a decent run of minutes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on April 11, 2021, 11:49:03 AM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.

Ollie can also play in any of the three positions, so to have both him and Tammy together could mean that they could interchange during the game which would cause some confusion in the opposition defence at least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on April 11, 2021, 12:08:43 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villa for life on April 11, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
I think credit should also be given for not signing certain players. Josh King and Callum Wilson both would have cost mega bucks.. the latter knows where the goal is but too injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on April 11, 2021, 01:50:00 PM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.

Yep I agree
Netto is the sort of signing that we really need to be involved in if possible
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.
Pisspoor in the game just finished but a good player and a great work ethic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.

Iíd agree, but wasnít the reason he went to Palace because he didnít want to leave London?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 02:19:58 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.

Ollie can also play in any of the three positions, so to have both him and Tammy together could mean that they could interchange during the game which would cause some confusion in the opposition defence at least.

I agree.
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, too.
Both Ollie and Tammy can play across the line, so itís possible to play both together
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 11, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 04:45:21 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.

If Keinan goes on loan Iíd prefer a top 10 championship team to a lower half prem one.
A lower prem team wonít create many chances, so heíll be under pressure to score.
A good quality championship team, Brentford, Swansea and the like, will create more opportunities for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 04:57:36 PM
I just don't see Tammy in that role at all. He's a good player around the box but I don't think his all round game is good enough to play wide. He's fine drifting out every now and then but I think he'd be found out very quickly if we asked him to do the job that we expect our wingers to do.
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Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 05:02:58 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.

Maybe but we'd possibly need to be in Europe or go far in both domestic cups to justify that range of choices before one of the three (Wes, logically) starts to agitate. If we sold two of the three current wingers (most likely Trez and Ghaz) and go in one quality one (i.e £30m+), it might be a go-er.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2021, 05:13:56 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.

Think that is what we need in the formation we play really.  Leicester and West Ham both have those kind of wingers - hard working, good with the ball and chip in with goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.

Think that is what we need in the formation we play really.  Leicester and West Ham both have those kind of wingers - hard working, good with the ball and chip in with goals.
if he had a yard of pace he would be very good. But he doesnít
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
McNeil would be a good shout as he's young and will develop further.

Looking beyond players to go straight in to the team,  I'd try and get Daryl Dike from Orlando to improve the squad. He's only 20 and is strong and moreover is a goalscorer. I think there's a $20m buy out clause. He did well in MSL and has done really well at Barnsley.

Danjuma is another player who would be worth a look. He's got some pace and has had a good season. Again, not necessarily one to go straight in the first team, but he could strengthen our backup and at 24, he has the right profile for further development.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:10:50 PM
Regarding summer transfers, I hope the club takes a look at what's worked and continues in the same vein. So far, since returning to the Premier League, we have:

a) signed the best young talent from the Championship (Watkins, Cash, Konsa) and that has worked out very well for us. West Ham have done something similar (Benrama, Bowen) and they are having a good season. Moyes has a bit of previous with Championship signings, think back to Everton signing the likes of Tim Cahill from Millwall and (ahem) Joleon Lescott from Wolves. So that would suggest signing the likes of the Olise from Reading this summer. This strategy also has the benefit of not placing stress on our wage bill. In fact, I like the fact that our highest-paid players are those who have earned the improved contracts with performances for us (Grealish, McGinn, Mings, etc). Buying in someone like, say, Saha from Palace would suddenly parachute a new player to the top of our wage bill and lead to parity demands from others...

b) bought overseas players at middling prices from the Belgian and French leagues. I don't think this has worked out well for us. I have a certain fondness for El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Engels,Nakamba and Samatta but none of them are anything more than squad players. And of the newer overseas additions, Traore is hot-and-cold and Sanson hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is a better option than Jacob Ramsey. And when was the last time an overseas signing was an unqualified success for us..? Benteke..?

c) and there is a third category of signing we've made: fringe players from other Premier League squads, such as Targett, Luiz and Martinez. (If you discount on-loan fringe players like Drinkwater and Barkley,) I'd declare those as all successful signings.

So more of a) and c) type signings please and less of b).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 06:12:31 PM
Dike and Danjuma look good in sides that are doing well and are winning most weeks - put them in a mid-table side that struggle as often as they dominate and they may not be all that good.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on April 11, 2021, 06:13:43 PM
Regarding summer transfers, I hope the club takes a look at what's worked and continues in the same vein. So far, since returning to the Premier League, we have:

a) signed the best young talent from the Championship (Watkins, Cash, Konsa) and that has worked out very well for us. West Ham have done something similar (Benrama, Bowen) and they are having a good season. Moyes has a bit of previous with Championship signings, think back to Everton signing the likes of Tim Cahill from Millwall and (ahem) Joleon Lescott from Wolves. So that would suggest signing the likes of the Olise from Reading this summer. This strategy also has the benefit of not placing stress on our wage bill. In fact, I like the fact that our highest-paid players are those who have earned the improved contracts with performances for us (Grealish, McGinn, Mings, etc). Buying in someone like, say, Saha from Palace would suddenly parachute a new player to the top of our wage bill and lead to parity demands from others...

b) bought overseas players at middling prices from the Belgian and French leagues. I don't think this has worked out well for us. I have a certain fondness for El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Engels,Nakamba and Samatta but none of them are anything more than squad players. And of the newer overseas additions, Traore is hot-and-cold and Sanson hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is a better option than Jacob Ramsey. And when was the last time an overseas signing was an unqualified success for us..? Benteke..?

c) and there is a third category of signing we've made: fringe players from other Premier League squads, such as Targett, Luiz and Martinez. (If you discount on-loan fringe players like Drinkwater and Barkley,) I'd declare those as all successful signings.

So more of a) and c) type signings please and less of b).

Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:16:24 PM
Just responding to my own post to say we could add:

Kalinic, Gilbert and Wesley to the list of players in category b)

and Mings, Hause and Heaton to the list of players in category c)

and, I suppose, Jota to category a) to be the exception that proves the rule..! (Although did we give them money or just Gary Gardner?)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:17:45 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
They're doing a good job of putting systems and the right personnel in place and building a foundation. I do wonder whether there will come a point though when they're happy with everything and push the 'go' button.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2021, 08:39:07 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 11, 2021, 09:19:39 PM
I think credit should also be given for not signing certain players. Josh King and Callum Wilson both would have cost mega bucks.. the latter knows where the goal is but too injury prone.

We bid for Wilson, had the bid accepted and he chose Newcastle.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2021, 09:29:22 PM
I just don't see Tammy in that role at all. He's a good player around the box but I don't think his all round game is good enough to play wide. He's fine drifting out every now and then but I think he'd be found out very quickly if we asked him to do the job that we expect our wingers to do.

Agree - not sure heís that type of player at all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.

Watkins played left wing of a three if I recall correctly. Seem to remember him tearing Hutton a new one against us one day.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 09:42:13 PM
I would love to see Tammy in the middle with Watkins to the left of him and Jack just behind. A top attacker to the right also. Two solid defensive midfielders behind Jack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 10:48:57 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.

Watkins played left wing of a three if I recall correctly. Seem to remember him tearing Hutton a new one against us one day.
Yes, Maupay played centrally and scored most of the goals and Benrahma was the other winger.

The previous season they used Vibe for a while and also CaŮos more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 10:57:35 PM
Dike and Danjuma look good in sides that are doing well and are winning most weeks - put them in a mid-table side that struggle as often as they dominate and they may not be all that good.
Possibly, but itís not to necessarily pitch them in to play every game. Also, Championship players like Maddison, Watkins, Bowen and Benrahma have all done well in recent seasons.

As Ivo points out, signing good players from the Championship should not be discounted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2021, 11:21:48 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 11:40:23 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.

The plan, every season, should be 2-4 in the summer and, at most, 1-2 in the winter. no signings generally doesn't work out well and more than a few usually sees a dip in from for the first half of the season whilst they settle in. What we absolutely need to avoid is summers where we're making a new signing every week and end up with 8-10 new players to bed in. It was unavoidable last year but we looked a mess for most of the season because of the sheer amount of players we were trying to settle in at once.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 12, 2021, 12:00:11 AM
Depends how many we release. AEM and Taylor are certs to go and I doubt Engels is too happy given he last played in March 2020 so he'll push for a move.

Hause is fine as back up as he did well over xmas but too risky to just have 3 CBs as only takes one long term injury to disrupt everything.

Not sure we'll see much movement in central midfield personally but obviously have to get in at least one wide player (probably two if Trez injury is as serious as rumoured) and another striker.

Probably 5 signings this summer although perhaps the new CB we sign will have ability to fill in one of the FB positions which would probably make sense given Cash and Targett will be starters again next season so no point spending 15-20m on a Rico Henry type.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.

The plan, every season, should be 2-4 in the summer and, at most, 1-2 in the winter. no signings generally doesn't work out well and more than a few usually sees a dip in from for the first half of the season whilst they settle in. What we absolutely need to avoid is summers where we're making a new signing every week and end up with 8-10 new players to bed in. It was unavoidable last year but we looked a mess for most of the season because of the sheer amount of players we were trying to settle in at once.

There's going to be a large number of changes in personnel this summer but most of them are replacing squad players. Assuming Jack stays and no major injuries, we probably know 9 of the starting 11 for the season opener already and possibly 10 if Sanson is more physically ready after a hard pre season.

It's a big difference from expecting that the likes of Engels, Nakamba and Wesley would form the spine of our newly promoted team which was insanity really.
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Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
Depends how many we release. AEM and Taylor are certs to go and I doubt Engels is too happy given he last played in March 2020 so he'll push for a move.

Hause is fine as back up as he did well over xmas but too risky to just have 3 CBs as only takes one long term injury to disrupt everything.

Not sure we'll see much movement in central midfield personally but obviously have to get in at least one wide player (probably two if Trez injury is as serious as rumoured) and another striker.

Probably 5 signings this summer although perhaps the new CB we sign will have ability to fill in one of the FB positions which would probably make sense given Cash and Targett will be starters again next season so no point spending 15-20m on a Rico Henry type.

I'd rather us sign 1 player to fill the winger/forward role than a centreback/fullback simply because I'd love us to be able to play a more fluid front 3 of Jack, Ollie and someone else who can all play central or wide, can all drop deep and generally will do a job wherever they happen to get the ball. I've given names of the sort of player I want a few times (Thuram, Gouiri, Malen) but I really like the idea of being able to play without a centre forward or with 2-3 players overloading on 1 side of the pitch for a little while.

We don't need a right back, Guilbert and/or Kessler look like enough cover there.

So Left Back, Centre Back (but both younger to come in as cover initially) and then a midfielder to give us a bit more fight in there. Berge would be a good option I think.

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Post by: Risso on April 12, 2021, 12:22:28 AM
The defence is pretty well sorted, and we don't need any first team upgrades there, or in the keeper spot. A back up or two who can cover at full back or in the middle will probably be necessary assuming Guilbert, Elmo, Engels and Taylor move on, but nothing too expensive and should be self-funding from the sales of Engels and Guilbert.

Jack (when fit) and Ollie are obviously more than fine, but depending on what happens with Wesley, we need another striker and at least one wide player. What I'd like to see is the sort of front three set up that Liverpool have, where Salah/Mane/Firmino/Jota are all pretty interchangeable. With Jack and Ollie we're a fair way there, so a couple of top quality acquisitions there and we'll be in fantastic shape up front.

The midfield I reckon is a bit more of a quandary. Luiz and McGinn have the talent, but haven't had great seasons in all fairness. Sanson hasn't shown anything yet, and Nakamba isn't really good enough. I think we need a Soucek or Kante type to really grab the midfield by the scruff of the neck, it's one area where we don't have any natural leaders or undoubted quality.

I think therefore, that 3-4 top notch additions (two up front, one to two in midfield) would be enough to really get us motoring, plus a couple of cheaper back up options in defence. Obviously if Man City exercise their option on Dougie, then that changes things ever so slightly.

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Post by: ROBBO on April 12, 2021, 01:16:22 AM
Our defence is fine especially if Mings can get the one bad error out of his game, it's the midfield and the wide players where we are well below whats needed. Looking at the really good sides they have an abundance of quality in both areas where we have Trez (bless him for his commitment but) and El Gahzi,as for the midfield the lack of goals stems from there. I believe Watkins is a twenty goals plus a season striker but the service to him is pathetic without Grealish on the pitch. We need two or three proven top players.
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Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Our defence is fine especially if Mings can get the one bad error out of his game, it's the midfield and the wide players where we are well below whats needed. Looking at the really good sides they have an abundance of quality in both areas where we have Trez (bless him for his commitment but) and El Gahzi, As for the midfield the lack of goals stems from there. I believe Watkins is a twenty goals plus a season striker but the service to him is pathetic without Grealish on the pitch. We need two or three proven top players.
Several people keep saying that the defence is fine: I'd dispute that. Not only could we be more dominant in the air at the back (see games away at Wet Spam and Burnley as examples) we're also one injury away from being weak at CB, and we need cover for Targett. I'd be looking to bring in a Konsa-type CB and someone like Ryan Sessegnon, who can offer LB and LMF options.
I think AEG will be sold -  perhaps to a promoted side - and we will bring in a strong CMF in the Soucek / Berge mould. This latter move will give Luiz, Sanson and McGinn more freedom to play their natural game.
Davis is the big conundrum: stick or twist? With Wes, Traore and Watkins (and with L Barry and Ramsey Minor poised to make their debut), will we keep Davis or trade him in and get another high-quality striker / wide player? I think probably we will twist, and let him go.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
Central midfield is where most games are won. It is our biggest weakness right now.
You can mitigate problems with wingers by different systems or pushing full backs on to give width. Itís very difficult to compensate for a lack of a natural dominant central midfielder.
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Post by: DB on April 12, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Central midfield is where most games are won. It is our biggest weakness right now.
You can mitigate problems with wingers by different systems or pushing full backs on to give width. Itís very difficult to compensate for a lack of a natural dominant central midfielder.


That would be the first place I would be looking to strengthen. Then right side of attack.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2021, 10:08:23 AM
The defence is pretty well sorted, and we don't need any first team upgrades there, or in the keeper spot. A back up or two who can cover at full back or in the middle will probably be necessary assuming Guilbert, Elmo, Engels and Taylor move on, but nothing too expensive and should be self-funding from the sales of Engels and Guilbert.

Jack (when fit) and Ollie are obviously more than fine, but depending on what happens with Wesley, we need another striker and at least one wide player. What I'd like to see is the sort of front three set up that Liverpool have, where Salah/Mane/Firmino/Jota are all pretty interchangeable. With Jack and Ollie we're a fair way there, so a couple of top quality acquisitions there and we'll be in fantastic shape up front.

The midfield I reckon is a bit more of a quandary. Luiz and McGinn have the talent, but haven't had great seasons in all fairness. Sanson hasn't shown anything yet, and Nakamba isn't really good enough. I think we need a Soucek or Kante type to really grab the midfield by the scruff of the neck, it's one area where we don't have any natural leaders or undoubted quality.

I think therefore, that 3-4 top notch additions (two up front, one to two in midfield) would be enough to really get us motoring, plus a couple of cheaper back up options in defence. Obviously if Man City exercise their option on Dougie, then that changes things ever so slightly.



I agree with Risso.

Number 1 signing - right sided wide attacker to ensure Traore and Trez are squad players. Neto, St Max, etc etc
Number 2 signing - the best defensive midfielder we can afford, I'd have Rice tomorrow but Bissouma at Brighton has impressed.
Number 3 signing - depending on whats going on with Davis and Wesley, another striker
Number 4 signing - an up and coming number 10 attacking midfielder ( assuming JG isn't moved there over the summer)

Any other signings should be squad fillers to replace those who decide to depart or are at contracts end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT Villan on April 12, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
It would not be very likely to happen, but I'd move Heaven and Earth to try and get Pulisic.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2021, 02:23:34 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. Thatís where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2021, 02:24:57 PM
It would not be very likely to happen, but I'd move Heaven and Earth to try and get Pulisic.

Heís very good. But heís not fit very often and he also cost Chelsea the thick end of £60m. Not a player I would go for.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. Thatís where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.

Which of the young guys are capable of stepping up? Ramsey had a successful spell on loan at Doncaster last season at least but the likes of Louis Barry still physically looks like a kid in comparison. There's a big jump to playing kids football to the premier league. Even Jack spent a spell at Notts County.

Big decision on whether Jack stays primarily on left wing or moves inside. He can obviously do both but with Barkley coming in last summer it kind of forced Jack to stay left. A more tactically flexible player would give us more options there I think.
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Post by: Dave on April 12, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. Thatís where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.

Which of the young guys are capable of stepping up? Ramsey had a successful spell on loan at Doncaster last season at least but the likes of Louis Barry still physically looks like a kid in comparison. There's a big jump to playing kids football to the premier league. Even Jack spent a spell at Notts County.

Lend Barry out to West Brom to get a season in the Championship under his belt. I expect they'd like that.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
We should buy Bellingham and send him to Blues for similar reasons.

It wouldn't take much editing of his current badge to turn it into DVB.
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Post by: Rotterdam on April 12, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on April 12, 2021, 07:13:48 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 
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Post by: DB on April 12, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 08:05:26 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards
we wouldn't pay those wages - Man City interested.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 12, 2021, 08:06:55 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.

And prone to knee injuries. We donít need anymore of those
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Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 08:40:59 PM
I like Ings but I don't think he's better than Watkins and I don't like signing players older than 27-28 who are coming in as backups, that mistake is how MON crippled the club finances for years after he left because every week where they don't play they become harder to sell when you realise you're paying a fortune for them to watch games.
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Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.

Plus he has a very disarming speaking voice. Highly-desired in most walks of life.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2021, 09:09:49 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 

Even with Ramsey it is hard to say what sort of midfielder he is (an 8, 10 or 7?) and it feels like a bit of an experiment each time he is selected.  I think, as general policy, all youngsters should have a season on loan with the aim of them playing every week and going through their growing pains on someone elseís time.  In the meantime you sweat the assets that you have like Sanson and Marvellous.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 12, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Ings would be injured before he had even lifted the scarf for the Twitter photos. Southampton have been hugely lucky to get as many games out of him as they have. He'd be talking to the physio more often that Damo watches shite telly if he signed for us.
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Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
Is it always the same injury for him or is he just made of glass?

I'd love him with us I must say. Really intelligent player. His finishing remind me of Shearer more than even Kane's do; emphatic and clever. But he wouldn't be worth the fee/fit the buying-model we seem to be going for.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
I see we are being linked with Dele Alli.  A replacement for Barkley perhaps but, if true, on a permanent deal rather than a loan so he commits to the club.  I can't see this one coming off though.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2021, 10:20:53 PM
I see we are being linked with Dele Alli.  A replacement for Barkley perhaps but, if true, on a permanent deal rather than a loan so he commits to the club.  I can't see this one coming off though.

Me too.  The stars feel aligned.  The risks are the same as with Barkley although possibly a higher ceiling if it comes off.
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Post by: Dave on April 13, 2021, 08:37:11 AM
It's very difficult to imagine Alli going anywhere but PSG.
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Post by: Chris Smith on April 13, 2021, 08:44:55 AM
It's very difficult to imagine Alli going anywhere but PSG.

Iím not really up on the new rules but given he rarely plays and is not a current international are there any work permit issues that might make scupper this?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 13, 2021, 08:47:22 AM
If it was a French player arriving in England*, yes. The other way, I don't think it is a big issue. There are plenty of overseas players in France who wouldn't meet the work permit rules here.

*I've specified England as opposed to Britain/UK as I'm not sure Scotland has clarified what its new rules are.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 13, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
I think/hope the summer transfer window will be our time for at least a couple of marquee signings (wishful thinking?)
If Tammy is one of those I would be happy.
A statement signing would be a No.10 like Maddison or Eriksen someone who can compliment Jack when he's fit and playing, but also someone who can carry the team when Jack is out (I'm not optimistic that Jack will be involved in more than 2/3rds of fixtures next season sadly, based on ongoing issues).
As for the rest of our midfield if we got another goalsorer and no.10 I think they would step up like they did at the start of this season. Regarding our back line I would bring in cover for Targett and leave it at that with Guilbert, Engels and Hause providing cover for the rest.
With the likely sales of Heaton, AEG, Conor and perhaps one or two others we could then look at getting in another more productive winger maybe even from the championship (a Benrahma or Bowen type if they exist).
I'm off for a lie down now after all that wishful and hopeful thinking.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 13, 2021, 09:51:50 AM
Midfield needs an overhaul and a Striker. If we go in to a 3rd season with only 1 main Striker then we've officially lost our minds.
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Post by: darren woolley on April 13, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
I would like it if we could get Dele Alli.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 13, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

Would cut Alli a bit of slack as a result. Mourinho is quite a toxic personality and very negative these days as to how he sets his team up. Alli is younger than Barkley, less injury prone and his stats suggest he is capable of a lot more. Getting out of London and Spurs might re-energise him. He's more of a second striker than a creative force. Wouldn't be a bad fit I think if his head was right. Combining with likes of Grealish and Watkins. Spiky enough player too which we need more of.
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Post by: exigo on April 13, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
Not a worry at all if it inspires him to celebrate in Mourinho's face, like Shaw did at the weekend.

(https://i.ibb.co/rMSW3Ny/320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rMSW3Ny)
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Post by: KevinGage on April 13, 2021, 01:37:49 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 13, 2021, 02:21:25 PM
Does Alli spend a lot of time injured or have I imagined that?
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Post by: OCD on April 13, 2021, 02:29:18 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.

Talk is it would be too expensive to get rid of Mourinho.
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Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2021, 02:29:37 PM
Does Alli spend a lot of time injured or have I imagined that?

I think he's had a couple of reasonably lengthy injuries but nothing that unusual to be worried about. I might be wrong though, I pretty much ignored the premier league for 3 seasons.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
I'm not sure on Alli.

I think we've probably had our fingers burnt with Barkley as a type of bigger club's player trying to kick-start their career.

I thought we'd be going for a more players 'on the up type' of strategy. Not doubting the quality Alli has at times but there's surely question marks there.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
Alli might also be biding his time at Spurs - Mourinho may not be there next season, meaning a new manager coming in could give Alli a fresh start.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2021, 03:10:51 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.
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Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 03:48:06 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2021, 03:51:11 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.

I don't know there is a right answer or formula but for every Barkley/Drinkwater (which was a desperate punt) we have benefitted from Tammy, Mings, AEG. I don't want to tie our approach to the possibility or fear of failure.
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Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.

I don't know there is a right answer or formula but for every Barkley/Drinkwater (which was a desperate punt) we have benefitted from Tammy, Mings, AEG. I don't want to tie our approach to the possibility or fear of failure.

Tammy was still learning his trade and improving, Mings wanted to prove himself after a long time out injured, AEG was still young enough to be given time with room to improve.

For both Barkley and Ali it would feel like a step back at that point in their career (it's not obviously, fucking Chelsea and Spurs, pah)
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Post by: dave shelley on April 13, 2021, 04:27:31 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.

Talk is it would be too expensive to get rid of Mourinho.

Would he take Onomah as a makeweight?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2021, 04:38:14 PM
Hahaha!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 13, 2021, 07:36:19 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

I think amazon have so much footage they can manipulate the hours and hours of recordings to any narrative.  I think that narrative is controlled by the club.  Simple examples are that Rose was made to look a dick (no longer has a squad number) and the fact mourinho was causght training players during lockdown were air brushed from the show.

My point being that Deli was set up to look lazy for whatever reason, maybe so he saw the show and bucked his ideas up or maybe because mourihno does not fancy him as a player. 
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 13, 2021, 07:50:55 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

I think amazon have so much footage they can manipulate the hours and hours of recordings to any narrative.  I think that narrative is controlled by the club.  Simple examples are that Rose was made to look a dick (no longer has a squad number) and the fact mourinho was causght training players during lockdown were air brushed from the show.

My point being that Deli was set up to look lazy for whatever reason, maybe so he saw the show and bucked his ideas up or maybe because mourihno does not fancy him as a player. 

This is a fair point. I even found myself quite liking Mourinho as a bloke at one point which can't possibly be the case in real life.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 13, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
Why would Spurs want the narrative to be that Alli is lazy? The risk that his market value would drop rapidly must surely outweigh the probability of it giving him the kick up the arse.
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Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2021, 09:16:48 PM
The Amazon guys probably rang-up Levy saying they had sifted through hundreds of hours of footage and the most exciting thing they had was Harry Kane fist-bumping Mourinho (don't be mucky). So to justify the Bezos bucks, they likely had to orchestrate some drama, however contrived.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 13, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
Alli Villa- has a bit of a ring to it!
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Post by: Risso on April 14, 2021, 08:10:36 AM
Iíd be in two minds about Alli. At his best heís an excellent player, but it would be taking another gamble on a player who used to be good, and hoping they get back to what theyíre capable of. It didnít work with Drinkwater and it hasnít worked with Barkley. Itís not to say it wonít with Alli, but now that FFP looks like it might not be such a problem, letís go out and spend big on players who are at the top of their game.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 14, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Issue with Dele is he is *allegedly a grade A Kn*b.
Poor trainer, attitude.  Let's also not forget the clip of him and Ross pissed up being billy big boll*cks in the Mayfair hotel 

His hunger is definitely questionable and just feel we've had enough of those *types
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 14, 2021, 09:07:53 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 14, 2021, 09:10:00 AM
Canít see Ali being the type of player that Dean would want -£100 million and £175k a week for 5 years

Think we will be looking at Europe for our next signing
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Post by: dave shelley on April 14, 2021, 09:10:06 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.
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Post by: Martin Carruthers on April 14, 2021, 09:10:53 AM
Hard to know whether we'd end up with a Barkley or a Lingard. Too much of a risk of the former for me.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
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Post by: algy on April 14, 2021, 10:26:08 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Yep, agree totally.

I know it's a small sample, but the Tammy, Drinkwater, and Barkley loans from Chelsea - and maybe Tuanzebe from Manchester United - have made me think.  When we were in the Championship, it was fine loaning in younger players who weren't established in their main club's squad - like Tammy.  He'd still got everything to prove, and so had a vested interest in doing well for us.  Same goes for Tuanzebe.  However, now we're a bit higher up the food chain, and we don't really need to be loaning players to develop them any more.  We need ready-made Premier League standard players.

The problem with loaning those sort of players is that either (a) they're not playing for their main club because they're (almost always) not good enough to play for their main club, and (b) they don't have any vested interest in playing well for us, since they've already in their eyes achieved what they're able to/want to achieve.

Alli, I see as being basically in the same category - even if we buy him permanently.  He's reached the top, and we'll be a step down in his eyes.  I've strong suspicions that he'll have limited interest in playing for the club outside of the paypacket he'll get in return.

I'd rather we sign players who will come to the club wanting to prove themselves, whether that's bringing them in from the Championship, or the best players at relegation fodder teams, or players from Europe.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 14, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Aston Villa are Preparing themselves for a huge offer for Emi Martinez from Manure.  How exactly does that work?  Agent of Emi calls Christian and says Ďbe prepared?í  Random from Manure calls Nassef and says Ďbe prepared just in case we want to bid for Emi.í  I actually want that to have happened and for Nassef to have said Ďdo you know who the fcuk I am?í  In a really belittling manner.
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Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Iíll throw in a Devonshire No too.
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Post by: aev on April 14, 2021, 10:56:43 AM
SE London Yes (one vote from me, kids not cast theirs yet).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Iíll throw in a Devonshire No too.
He's a bit old for us now. He retired almost 30 years ago.
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Post by: steamer on April 14, 2021, 11:30:29 AM
Southern Africa says,
Geen, Che, Cha, Hayi and an emphatic No.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on April 14, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
A ďNOĒ from this part of Liverpool
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 14, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Yep, agree totally.

I know it's a small sample, but the Tammy, Drinkwater, and Barkley loans from Chelsea - and maybe Tuanzebe from Manchester United - have made me think.  When we were in the Championship, it was fine loaning in younger players who weren't established in their main club's squad - like Tammy.  He'd still got everything to prove, and so had a vested interest in doing well for us.  Same goes for Tuanzebe.  However, now we're a bit higher up the food chain, and we don't really need to be loaning players to develop them any more.  We need ready-made Premier League standard players.

The problem with loaning those sort of players is that either (a) they're not playing for their main club because they're (almost always) not good enough to play for their main club, and (b) they don't have any vested interest in playing well for us, since they've already in their eyes achieved what they're able to/want to achieve.

Alli, I see as being basically in the same category - even if we buy him permanently.  He's reached the top, and we'll be a step down in his eyes.  I've strong suspicions that he'll have limited interest in playing for the club outside of the paypacket he'll get in return.

I'd rather we sign players who will come to the club wanting to prove themselves, whether that's bringing them in from the Championship, or the best players at relegation fodder teams, or players from Europe.
Out of interest would you put Lingard in the same category?

Lets be clear, I'd never have wanted us to sign Lingard in the last two windows but it's easy to be over simplistic when considering these moves and it turns out he's been brilliant for West Ham and will get them in the top 4.  Barkley started on fire with us, unfortunately something has gone badly wrong and non of us know the full background but yes it will ultimately go down as a miss - even though he played a massive part in the best half season of football Villa have played in the last 10 years.

I'm not saying we should go and sign Ali, but if Smith wants him and believes his attitude is right then I'd be interested to see how it pans out.

   
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Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2021, 01:01:51 PM
We was warned that Barkley was a one in three or four type of player. One really great game then nothing. He had an incredible debut followed by another good game but he hasnít really produced anything like that since.

As regards Ali I feel heís another with a great game in the locker and lots of sub standard performances to follow.
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Post by: Rotterdam on April 14, 2021, 01:24:14 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 

Having watched a fair bit of U18 and U23 stuff this year, the steps between each level and then to 1st team are pretty big. Stronger, faster, bigger players with more knowledge.
It is rare that a young 17,18 year old can compete physically with grown men. A lad I spoke to (goalkeeper) and had trained at 1st team, U23 and U18 said that the first team are Ďclevererí and less obvious when going for goal, quicker with movements and shifting the ball.
U18 football is riddled with mistakes and poor player, equalled by some excellent team player and individual magic.

Loaning players out for periods of time at lower levels helps them acclimatised.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 14, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.
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Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.
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Post by: caster troy on April 14, 2021, 01:44:46 PM
This is going to be a very interesting summer I reckon...

For the first time in ages, we know well in advance what league we will be in next season
FFP shackles either partially or fully removed
With a decent squad now assembled the focus can be on quality not quantity
Reputation (in the eyes of prospective signings) somewhat restored with no relegation battle, players in England squad and some eye catching results early in the season
Promising youth team players either being promoted or going out on loan
Grealish - will he make the Euros? Will we receive any massive bids from so called 'giants'? Will marquee signings of our own influence his decision? (If there is a bid)
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 14, 2021, 01:47:49 PM
ĎAlli at Villa, Alli at Villa.í
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
On the striker front, I really hope we're in for Edouard at Celtic, a proper centre forward, £20m should do it even though he's in the last year of his contract. PSV's Donyell Malen is also going to be in high demand but he'll probably be around £40m. He looks really special, has a bit of everything.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2021, 03:32:50 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January
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Post by: john e on April 14, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yeah but we all know that if we signed him he would turn back into Jesse Lingard again
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 14, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
The votes from Mexico are in. Dele Alli, sin puntos.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2021, 04:39:11 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yes there was when I touted him
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
Alli is a seriously talented player and has shown quality over a consistent period in the past. Iím more than willing to suspect itís the normal Mourinho scapegoating.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 14, 2021, 04:50:03 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yes there was when I touted him

This is true. I can't remember whether I poured scorn on the idea with actual words typed here, but I certainly thought that it was a terrible idea. You were right, Footy, and I was wrong.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2021, 04:57:07 PM
Dele is big footballing mate of Jack's.
He too likes to enjoy himself off field
Barkley was signed with Grealish influence.
All talented but adding Dele to this club with the off field behaviour would not be wise
I don't think more party boys would be helpful right now to Jack and would only be pandering to keep him happy to have more of his mates around. And I can see both Ross and Dele being signed on Grealish say so given Jack stature. I guess if they all perform on the pitch then fantastic however they have to start being ultimate professionals I rather we sign players from Dortmund , Ajax, Porto, Benfica AC Milan who are top quality and want to challenge themselves in England

Brendan Rodgers had it right when he spoke fairly but with respect publically on the 5 at Leicester who let the team down and had a fun party time during this covid missing West ham match .
I would have preferred if Deano did similar to Jack and Ross when they party in London for Barkley Birthday rather than the "rules are confusing line" he came out with.

It's just how I see it. Having been afforded some semi pro opportunities and certain values I've always had a grievance with unfilled talents. Or those who take liberties of their pro status off field when they can be anything they want to be on the pitch and are super footballers don't want to see career wasted
 
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Post by: johnc on April 14, 2021, 04:58:35 PM
Duöan Vlahović would be my choice for a new CF. I do think he will develop into a fine striker. I have watched him in a few international and Serie A games. He looks very strong
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Post by: johnc on April 14, 2021, 05:00:24 PM
Dele is big footballing mate of Jack's.
He too likes to enjoy himself off field
Barkley was signed with Grealish influence.
All talented but adding Dele to this club with the off field behaviour would not be wise
I don't think more party boys would be helpful right now to Jack and would only be pandering to keep him happy to have more of his mates around. And I can see both Ross and Dele being signed on Grealish say so given Jack stature. I guess if they all perform on the pitch then fantastic however they have to start being ultimate professionals I rather we sign players from Dortmund , Ajax, Porto, Benfica AC Milan who are top quality and want to challenge themselves in England

Brendan Rodgers had it right when he spoke fairly but with respect publically on the 5 at Leicester who let the team down and had a fun party time during this covid missing West ham match .
I would have preferred if Deano did similar to Jack and Ross when they party in London for Barkley Birthday rather than the "rules are confusing line" he came out with.

It's just how I see it. Having been afforded some semi pro opportunities and certain values I've always had a grievance with unfilled talents. Or those who take liberties of their pro status off field when they can be anything they want to be on the pitch and are super footballers don't want to see career wasted
 

I would agree with this. We don't need the party boys. We already have Jack who is prone to straying from the path.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yeah but we all know that if we signed him he would turn back into Jesse Lingard again

That's the risk. He went to an environment that very quickly he adapted to and allowed him to play to his strengths. He is looking twice the player any one of us believed him to be. But he could have gone elsewhere, including us and struggled because the team wasn't confident, manager played a certain style, or like us, within ourselves once Jack disappeared.
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Post by: Scovilla on April 14, 2021, 05:21:16 PM
There is one player that fits the most mentioned profile. His name is Boubacar Kamara from Marseille. Worth around 30 million pounds though. A very promising player in midfield who can also play in centra defence.
UTV
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Post by: London Villan on April 14, 2021, 08:46:25 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 14, 2021, 08:48:40 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

thatíd be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesnít tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 14, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.

Ha! Agreed on both fronts.

I do think German clubs buy young English players knowing that their re-sale value is exponentially greater than a non-English player. 
His purchase, therefore, might have been influenced by economics rather than just footballing ability and so he could be available.

That mighty also be wishful thinking on my part.

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Post by: London Villan on April 14, 2021, 09:31:02 PM
He'll end up back in England for £100m plus in a year or two - choosing from Chelsea, man city or man u.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 14, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.

Ha! Agreed on both fronts.

I do think German clubs buy young English players knowing that their re-sale value is exponentially greater than a non-English player. 
His purchase, therefore, might have been influenced by economics rather than just footballing ability and so he could be available.

That mighty also be wishful thinking on my part.

They will make a shed load on Haaland as well
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Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

thatíd be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesnít tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

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Post by: brontebilly on April 15, 2021, 12:03:30 AM
Duöan Vlahović would be my choice for a new CF. I do think he will develop into a fine striker. I have watched him in a few international and Serie A games. He looks very strong

He was brilliant against Ireland recently, will be plenty of competition to get him.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2021, 06:11:53 AM
Who was the bloke that ripped Spurs a new one recently in Europe?  Surely heís worth looking at.
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Post by: nigel on April 15, 2021, 08:27:38 AM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

thatíd be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesnít tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

I think teams should agree a fee before which would stop that.
Seems crazy if they canít.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 15, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

thatíd be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesnít tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

I think teams should agree a fee before which would stop that.
Seems crazy if they canít.


One clever way to get round a costly transfer too is to take players who don't have more than 18months or 1 years left on the contract . That way prices will be restricted barring release clauses.
So come summer 2022 Odsonne Edouard, Michael Olise, David Brooks , Todd Cantwell, Milot Rashica are out of contract.
Expect players with a year left to run come the summer as well as the current players who contract expiry be heavily featured as transfer targets and speculation.

This summer Benteke at Palace is out of contract....

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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 15, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Fantastic player he be great move. Good shout.

I saw Javi Martinez come on for Bayern Munich he's out of contract in summer and though 32 he's the physical presence in midfield at DM many wish for but also a quality footballer with the ball. And a major threat at set plays.
A fine wine version of Man City Rhodri

An experienced head and smart pro like this would do wonders to the learning of Midfielders and improve our solidarity. Touch of class too.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 09:37:52 AM
Odsonne Edouard I read could move for as little as £8 -10 million. For that price he is a bargain.
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Post by: in exile on April 15, 2021, 11:38:05 AM
Odsonne Edouard I read could move for as little as £8 -10 million. For that price he is a bargain.
Absolutely, but he is a target for Arsenal apparently.
I think he would choose London over Birmingham area to be honest.
I'd like him here so hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: Matt C on April 15, 2021, 12:02:19 PM
The best keeper in the league thought otherwise. 😉
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Post by: Mister E on April 15, 2021, 03:11:16 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
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Post by: Border villan on April 15, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
I fancied Lynsey De Paul a few seasons ago, but the moment has passed.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 15, 2021, 06:27:49 PM
Miss De Paul was lovely and lusted after by people of a certain age. I had forgotten about her. Just checked, and she died in 2014 at 66. Had a string of A-list boyfriends but never married.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 08:09:55 PM
You try to be sensible and give people your amazing football knowledge, and it turns into this !!! 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2021, 10:39:52 PM
I think weíve hit Rock Bottom
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Post by: Mouse Potato on April 16, 2021, 07:41:25 AM
I think weíve hit Rock Bottom

* Applauds *
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Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
I think weíve hit Rock Bottom
... whichever way you sugar it.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 16, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
Sorry Three Spires, really gone to rat shit now....
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Post by: algy on April 16, 2021, 09:54:49 AM
To be taken with a huge pinch of salt as
(a) FootballInsider is hardly a reliable source and
(b) The club has NDAs in place so I'd guess this in't s likely to be public knowledge

but FootballInsider reckons we'll be in for 2 wide forward in the summer:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-aston-villa-set-sights-on-signing-two-forwards-as-big-money-summer-plan-revealed/

Quote
A Villa source has told Football Insider that a key area identified for reinforcements is in attack and the recruitment team are working on identifying potential targets.

The plan is to sign two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smithís favoured 4-2-3-1 formation.

The rest of the article is filler guff.
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Post by: Drummond on April 16, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
It's all filler guff.
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Post by: TaxDodger on April 16, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
To be taken with a huge pinch of salt as
(a) FootballInsider is hardly a reliable source and
(b) The club has NDAs in place so I'd guess this in't s likely to be public knowledge

but FootballInsider reckons we'll be in for 2 wide forward in the summer:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-aston-villa-set-sights-on-signing-two-forwards-as-big-money-summer-plan-revealed/

Quote
A Villa source has told Football Insider that a key area identified for reinforcements is in attack and the recruitment team are working on identifying potential targets.

The plan is to sign two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smithís favoured 4-2-3-1 formation.

The rest of the article is filler guff.

Weren't 'football insider' saying we were going to sack Dean Smith and replace him with Gerrard a week ago? Now we're buying players to suit his tactics.. It's almost as if they're making it up as they go along..
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Post by: OCD on April 16, 2021, 10:39:53 AM
2 attacking wide players seems possible but 1 seems more credible. Jack aside, the wide players have been very hit and miss and now Trezeguet is out for a long time. Philogene-Bidace is coming through but presumably he'll go out on loan next season.
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Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2021, 10:51:00 AM
"two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smithís favoured 4-2-3-1 formation" - even that's a contradiction: if they were either side of the main striker, the set-up with be 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3 (not 4-2-3-1).
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Post by: AV82EC on April 16, 2021, 02:08:39 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2021, 02:13:04 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
I thought that was VillaTalk?
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Post by: AV82EC on April 16, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
I thought that was VillaTalk?

I've never been on VillaTalk from recollection so wouldn't know.
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Post by: Gareth on April 17, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.

Iíd agree, but wasnít the reason he went to Palace because he didnít want to leave London?

I must be missing something with Eze because he strikes me as an English Traore capable of the outrageously good but massively, massively inconsistent.  We need to be signing players who turn up every week not just once a month
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 17, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
I fancied Lynsey De Paul a few seasons ago, but the moment has passed.

So did every mid teens male in the mid 1970ís
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
Wonder if Joe Willock might be decent signing in 10-15m range?

Scored a few for Newcastle already and Arsenal will probably cash in so could be a decent pick up. Sell Nakamba and send Ramsey on season long loan to give him 30-40 starts somewhere.
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Post by: eamonn on April 17, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
He looks a better bet than Martinelli. Is he Arsenal's Keinan ?
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Post by: SaddVillan on April 17, 2021, 05:09:52 PM
Tammy Abraham not even in Chelski's squad today.

Cue phone call from Johan Lange to Tammy's agent?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 05:13:37 PM
He looks a better bet than Martinelli. Is he Arsenal's Keinan ?

He's a central midfielder. Got 3 goals in about 9 games for Newcastle so the sort of ratio SJM was scoring at 18 months back before he lost all ability inside penalty area for some reason playing for us.
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Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2021, 05:50:38 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2021, 06:10:51 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.
I'd rather give both Ramsey brother a proper go.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 10:49:50 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.

I agree but we also need better options off the bench. We're chasing a game and Nakamba is last player you'd bring on and even though Ramsey hasn't looked out of place in most of his appearances he's been more about being solid and playing reasonably safe.

From what I've seen of Sanson, neat and tidy but again dosen't look like the type who can tip the game back in our favour if we're under pressure.

There are many reasons why we've only secured 4 points from losing positions all season so we need to correct that. In last few weeks Willock come off the bench to score to get thme a point off Spurs and the winner today so we need some guys who can come on and step up the tempo in addition to the wide players and striker we sign.
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Post by: SaddVillan on April 18, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/18/tammy-abraham-considering-chelsea-future-after-fa-cup-semi-final-snub?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Taxi for Tammy - destination B6 6HE?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 18, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.
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Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 18, 2021, 03:59:04 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.
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Post by: nigel on April 18, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I reckon theyíd be asking £30m for Barkley, so £30-£40m for Tammy would be well worth it.
Donít forget, Ollie was £30m, so, again, Tammy is going to be upwards of that
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 18, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
It was a different recruitment team that brought him in previously. The current set up might think they can find better value elsewhere.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2021, 04:18:25 PM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 18, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Better value elsewhere but likely to be from the foreign market.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2021, 06:30:28 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I think that's pretty much standard these days, so I would, but I'd be reminding Chelsea we've done good business with them (certainly from their point of view) and that a good part of the reason he's worth that much is down to us.

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 18, 2021, 10:37:41 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I think that's pretty much standard these days, so I would, but I'd be reminding Chelsea we've done good business with them (certainly from their point of view) and that a good part of the reason he's worth that much is down to us.

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
you think that Chelsea would do us a favour,
Because we have been stupid enough with Barkley and Drinkwater ?
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Post by: Woodyoubetagainstus on April 18, 2021, 10:43:35 PM
Sorry but Tammy would be a sentiment signing.

We need to think big and throw ££ at Maddison, Leicester arenít Aston Villa, they wonít qualify for CL, heís muckas with Jack, letís aim for the stars.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2021, 10:47:39 PM
Sorry but Tammy would be a sentiment signing.

We need to think big and throw ££ at Maddison, Leicester arenít Aston Villa, they wonít qualify for CL, heís muckas with Jack, letís aim for the stars.

Not really a like for like player though. I agree we need another playmaker, but we also need a striker.
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Post by: ROBBO on April 18, 2021, 11:58:28 PM
Tammy played for us because he couldn't get in the Chelsea side, there must be reasons why one of the top managers has sidelined him again. A bit like the calls to get Benteke back last season, we need to look forward and find better.
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Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2021, 01:02:40 AM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.

Weren't Tammy's stats for defensive clearances from set-pieces highly impressive for us?
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Post by: nigel on April 19, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
Tammy played for us because he couldn't get in the Chelsea side, there must be reasons why one of the top managers has sidelined him again. A bit like the calls to get Benteke back last season, we need to look forward and find better.

I think the difference is Benteke has gone down hill since he left us, whereas Tammy has proved he can perform in the Prem.
Chelsea like big money signings as their main strikers, so he is always going to be a bit part player there.
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Post by: garyellis on April 19, 2021, 10:21:05 AM
The question re Tammy is simply can Smith fit them into his formation going forward?
We need other striking options and to suggest Tammy would not be an improvement from where we are now is just ridiculous.
And yes he probably will cost £40m.
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Post by: kipeye on April 19, 2021, 10:43:44 AM

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
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I call them the Soiled, it has a ring to it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 19, 2021, 11:29:21 AM
Worth looking at amount of ex players DS signs again tbh.

Different clubs and budgets here of course but at Walsall he signed up a few players who'd previously been on loan 1-2 years before and at Brentford he quickly signed again Rico Henry and Romaine Sawyers even though he wasn't fully in control of transfers at Brentford.

And here he's signed Jota, Watkins and Konsa so he's clearly a manager who likes signing guys who knows his methods.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we're in for the likes of Axel and Tammy as both will probably be available, played big parts in our promotion and would be popular with the fanbase and sort of moves they need to make at this stage of their careers as one is completely out of favour and the other's made about 5 starts all season.

Depends how big we go on wingers but both signings would give us flexibility to go 3-5-2 aswell.
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Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
Surely no one can argue about the Konsa and Watkins signings? (Or Tammy if it came to fruitition). It's a clear benefit when a manager has worked with a player, knows their character, sees what they can do in training and can get a sense of their potential. Konsa was a bargain and no-one else was in for him as few other clubs realised how good he could become.
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Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on April 19, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!
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Post by: Drummond on April 19, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?
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Post by: LeeB on April 19, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on April 19, 2021, 01:29:05 PM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.

One thing that stuck out with Tammy for me other than his goals was his work rate. He'd fit in really well.
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Post by: Drummond on April 19, 2021, 03:49:52 PM
Abraham or Traore? Abraham or Trez? Abraham or AEG?

There's your answer. Abraham Watkins and a certain Jack Grealish might just be a very formidable front three. With Wesley and Davis as back up... 😉
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Post by: steamer on April 19, 2021, 05:53:11 PM
Could be plenty on offer after the big 6 piss off
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Post by: nigel on April 19, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica

OMG!!!
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Post by: London Villan on April 19, 2021, 08:14:48 PM
The whole thing is going to bugger everything up for weeks if they do go through with it. Uncertainty about future TV may stop clubs from chucking cash around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 09:49:39 PM
It always goes quiet for most of the summer anyway.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 19, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
It was a different recruitment team that brought him in previously. The current set up might think they can find better value elsewhere.

My point though is Dean has worked under various recruitment schemes at Walsall, Brentford and here but he's always been fond of getting in an ex player or two so I assume he still gets some say in who we target e.g. we have all the best data in world and yet conclude Rico Henry is the best left back out there available this summer which you wouldn't rule out.

Brentford pride themselves on signing randoms from here and abroad all the time and turning them into multi million players and within 6 months of DS turning up he was signing two from Walsall.

That's why I think Axel and Tammy will be targets if available but dosen't mean we'll sign them as their wages could be beyond us and teams finishing higher up the table will probably be interested aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
The ESL should throw everything up in the air for most of the teams above us. Some players may think twice about signing for one of them while everything is up in the air and they don't know what they're getting themselves in for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2021, 11:46:46 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2021, 11:48:05 PM
Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica

Surely Ras-H-aca?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

I'd have thought that transfer fees for the 12 will now go through the roof. As will players' salary expectations too.
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Post by: nigel on April 20, 2021, 08:41:26 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesnít mention Konsa on that link
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 20, 2021, 10:01:38 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesnít mention Konsa on that link

I know, their interest in Konsa was on there (and discussed on here) a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 20, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
Impossible to speculate about transfers until this ESL matter is resolved.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 20, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.
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Post by: darren woolley on April 20, 2021, 02:22:40 PM
I see the Merseyside Reds are after Ollie.
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Post by: nigel on April 20, 2021, 05:01:30 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesnít mention Konsa on that link

I know, their interest in Konsa was on there (and discussed on here) a few weeks back.

👍
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Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.

We could throw Barkley in as a sweetener now that we don't have Angela any more.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 20, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
I see the Merseyside Reds are after Ollie.

They can fuck off.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 20, 2021, 08:16:07 PM
Impossible to speculate about transfers until this ESL matter is resolved.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled speculation
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 20, 2021, 08:39:34 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.

Whereís this been reported?  Iíd imagine it is the case with the stadium and then not being able to use it, but no idea whether they have the cash flow to ride it through.
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Post by: OCD on April 20, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Wrong thread.
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Post by: TonyD on April 20, 2021, 09:33:20 PM
We need 3/4 players.
Upgrades on the wide players and a play maker in the middle to supplement Jack.   
A striker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 20, 2021, 10:19:12 PM
That Bissouma was outstanding tonight. Would walk into our midfield and into most teams in the top half of the table.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on April 20, 2021, 11:18:17 PM
This may be the only last chance we get to make a push this summer. We may need to.go huge in terms of outlay to get 3/4 immediate starters in the first eleven. If we don't next summer will be very painful I fear with players leaving
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Post by: manic-road on April 21, 2021, 07:59:50 AM
That Bissouma was outstanding tonight. Would walk into our midfield and into most teams in the top half of the table.

Yes he was excellent again, the weakest part of our team for me is the midfield and we need decent upgrades.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 21, 2021, 08:09:55 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
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Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2021, 09:34:48 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
With a stronger midfield the wingers would be less defensive and more offensive.
CMF and cover at CB are the two key additions - followed by a LB and striker / wingers
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Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2021, 10:17:59 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
With a stronger midfield the wingers would be less defensive and more offensive.
CMF and cover at CB are the two key additions - followed by a LB and striker / wingers

Agreed, 19 of our 43 league goals have come from the wide players (along with 15 assists). Jack is a major part of that so we do need to increase the output of the others but getting the balance right in midfield is far more important. I actually can't work out why a central midfielder isn't on everyone's wishlist, I don't know how you can have watched a Villa game in the last 3-4 months and not seen the clear issues in there.

Bissouma would be a good option as would Berge but they're both a little more defensive than I'd really like.

Someone big and physical but more box-to-box (think Ian Taylor) is what I'd really like to see who can then share the 'up and down' work with McGinn/Sanson/Ramsey and Luiz is freed up to play the sitting in/quarterback role. They'd just be replacing Barkley but if we could combine that with replacing Nakamba with Bissouma/Berge then I'd be confident that the midfield was where it needs to be.

That would be a big chunk of money out but i think it'd give us depth and balance in an area where we really need it.

Then grab a couple of youngsters to cover CB and LB and use whatever is left to get a player similar to Watkins who can play up top or out wide, to start with they'd take Trez's squad place and then when he's fit I'd move AEG on. With Davis and Wesley I'd be happy with the amount of options that would give us in the final 3rd.
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Post by: Risso on April 21, 2021, 10:22:39 AM
Yes, a decent central midfielder as an upgrade on everybody we currently have is an absolute necessity. The goal output from McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson has been pathetic, and we need to add somebody capable of getting close to double figures as the likes of James Milner used to.
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Post by: manic-road on April 21, 2021, 10:25:50 AM
Yes, a decent central midfielder as an upgrade on everybody we currently have is an absolute necessity. The goal output from McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson has been pathetic, and we need to add somebody capable of getting close to double figures as the likes of James Milner used to.

Agree, the link up play between the midfield and Ollie has been pathetic. He has done well to score as many as he has just mainly feeding of scraps.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 21, 2021, 10:27:51 AM
Milot Rashica , Yves Bissouma and Tammy would be a great start of signings.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 21, 2021, 10:47:28 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.

Grealish is arguably the best wide player in the division....the other three options we have are certainly average at best

I'd like to see us sign players that allow us to be tactically more flexible. Smith has changed formations quite a bit in the last two seasons but less of late. When Grealish is out, it only exposes the lack of quality supporting Watkins. My preference is certainly two 6s so Luiz + 1 to allow the full backs provide more width. That +1 shouldn't be McGinn or Nakamba, a bruiser who can play. A more flexible three then supporting Grealish, all comfortable in playing across that line.

I'd like to see us move away from traditional wingers to be honest. The three we have (apart from Grealish) offer very little unless we are dominating possession.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2021, 10:50:32 AM
Creativity if Jack is out is a major issue. Clearly any team losing a player of Jackís quality would suffer, but it completely transforms us. We really need to address that to ensure the drop off isnít as severe.
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Post by: OCD on April 21, 2021, 11:35:39 AM
Before Jack's absence, he became less of a threat as teams doubled up on him. We looked our best before Barkley's injury so we need a wide option who can be a mini Jack on the right, a number 10 to replace what Barkley was meant to be and for me, a strong defence midfielder...Bissouma or similar. I don't like seeing Luiz and McGinn being guaranteed starting places regardless of form, they should need to be at their best to get into the line-up.
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Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2021, 03:13:53 PM
I'd like to see us move away from traditional wingers to be honest. The three we have (apart from Grealish) offer very little unless we are dominating possession.
Likewise.
I like the look of Trossard at BHA, as a complement to Grealish in the team. I was in favour of purchasing Buendia last summer and think he'd have done a fine job for us.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 21, 2021, 06:30:04 PM
Yeah, Trossard is a good footballer
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Post by: nigel on April 22, 2021, 08:19:01 AM
Football insider (yes, I know) reckons weíll be going back for Adama from wolves 😂
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 22, 2021, 08:30:29 AM
I still think he could be brilliant. Would always be hated by the boring contingent who hate skilful players and want a team of workhorses, though.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 22, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
It's never easy but there are a lot of players we need to move on this summer for their sakes and ours. Ignoring the out of contract ones and Rosco, the following should and are likely to leave Heaton, Engels, Nakamba, AEG, Davis (on loan), Hourihane, Wesley (on loan) and I'd be surprised if Guilbert is back with us next season. Hope we have a number of signings lined up as it's likely to be a tough summer to do business with the Euros.
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Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2021, 08:49:05 AM
Football insider (yes, I know) reckons weíll be going back for Adama from wolves 😂
Scored his first goal in c.40 games for Wolves the other day and his assist stats aren't currently great.
We need people who can win and retain possession before adding to our stock of wide players. Ball retention and constructing moves that hurt the opposition are the priority.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 22, 2021, 09:11:42 AM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.
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Post by: Risso on April 22, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.

Agree completely. The defence looks sorted, but you could make a case for replacing all of the players you mention. Obviously we won't do that, but it worries me that we've got so many mediocre players still.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 22, 2021, 12:13:54 PM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.

Agree completely. The defence looks sorted, but you could make a case for replacing all of the players you mention. Obviously we won't do that, but it worries me that we've got so many mediocre players still.


I'd settle for mediocre! They're shocking at the moment, struggling with even the basic elements of playing the bastard game. Shooting's crap if and when it happens, passing to a bloke in the same ******* colour shirt seems often too much to ask, tackling's half-arsed or reckless, shite.

But like you and others have said, we now have a solid defence and 'keeper, a bizzo centre forward, and a genuinely mercurial midfielder. A couple of real upgrades in the middle of the park would see us improve hugely, I think.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 22, 2021, 02:56:18 PM
Yep this adage that it takes at least 3 seasons to build a mid table Premier League squad under FFP seems to be true. There's at least 4 1st team places up for grabs this summer, if the right players can be signed which may push us into a proper challenge for Europe and maybe some cup runs. We've proved we can play good football and have some very good players, now its adding those 1st team starters to what we've got. I'm coming more to the view that Grealish should be played as a 10 as part of the squad construction this summer.
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Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
I'm hoping Gustavo Cisneros turns-up in the final series of Better Call Saul. There's only one Gus Fring but no harm in having two characters with the same first name, happens in real life often enough.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Interesting what Paul e says.

The issue I have with central midfield is yes a Soucek type would be great but look at what we have currently. McGinn plays every minute of every game so while DS remains here I can't ever really see his starting place coming under serious threat even if last 6 months have shown his limitations if we want to break into top 6 in future.

Luiz getting plenty of stick in recent times and I agree he's been off form for a while now. However he's the DM in this team and the defence has been excellent for most of the season so usually when the defence is really good, the DM also gets massively praised so
he should get credit. He'll be back on form next season and is a starter again in my book.

We've just paid 15m for Sanson who'll surely figure more next season. Unless he's one of those DS has already given up on after a few months which seems to be a bit of a theme with some of our foreign signings like Kalinic, Gulibert and Engels.

Ramsey figured a fair bit now so again will be expecting more starts unless we decided to loan him out for a season...but it must be to a good level as would make no sense to send him back to league one or lower end championship team now. Would consider if say Watford or Norwich want him for the season.

Even without Nakamba coming into the equation that's four midfielders who will be expecting regular minutes and in McGinn's case it's set in stone he'll be starting every game he's available for next season. That's without signing a wide player or two that could mean Jack goes back to number 10 position so then it's just two CMs behind.

Just much easier to sign a really good wide player I think and then see what's around next January.
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Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2021, 04:43:03 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2021, 05:34:34 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.

I just think McGinn will remain a certain starter as long as DS is here. Obviously when he's on form that's not a problem but he's been as off form with everyone else in last few months.

Pretty sure Dean gave an article a while ago saying he saw Liverpool as a bit of an example in how they've formed 5-6 who'll always start no matter their form (although Klopp has started benching likes of Salah and Mane in recent times).

Just think Dean's the sort who'll just start likes of Mings and McGinn regardless. Even if they're in iffy form their leadership and influence in dressing room will get them out there.

What's interesting in long run is from the bits I've seen of Sanson he's more like McGinn than Luiz for example so in the long run I'm not sure those two will work as a combination in midfield so either Sanson just becomes an expensive squad player or we rotate the two depending on opposition.

This is the continual test for Dean in next two years. He gets another 150-200m to spend and we can't really be getting to March in future seasons with half our team dead on their feet because we've barely rotated the 11 up to that point.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2021, 05:48:00 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.
I just think McGinn will remain a certain starter as long as DS is here. Obviously when he's on form that's not a problem but he's been as off form with everyone else in last few months.
Pretty sure Dean gave an article a while ago saying he saw Liverpool as a bit of an example in how they've formed 5-6 who'll always start no matter their form (although Klopp has started benching likes of Salah and Mane in recent times).
Just think Dean's the sort who'll just start likes of Mings and McGinn regardless. Even if they're in iffy form their leadership and influence in dressing room will get them out there.
What's interesting in long run is from the bits I've seen of Sanson he's more like McGinn than Luiz for example so in the long run I'm not sure those two will work as a combination in midfield so either Sanson just becomes an expensive squad player or we rotate the two depending on opposition.
This is the continual test for Dean in next two years. He gets another 150-200m to spend and we can't really be getting to March in future seasons with half our team dead on their feet because we've barely rotated the 11 up to that point.
All well and good, unless you could see Sanson and McGinn supporting Watkins , in front of JG and a couple of really classy midfielders who can win the ball and play the passes.
As Chelsea and  - to a certain extent - Liverpool play it. Indeed, Citeh didn't play wingers last night: they played some really good midfielders who could play wide when the situation required it.

The game needs players to be interchangeable and versatile (requiring fitness, good pass-and-move skills and some personal magic). That's why - IMO - Nakamba, AEG and (to a lesser extent) Trez and Traore don't quite work for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2021, 07:09:23 PM
I do feel that McGinn and Mings are undroppable because of their personalities both on and off the pitch.  Thatís not a criticism because playerís that dictate a positive culture through their example should be afforded a bit of slack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 22, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2021, 09:03:42 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

I suspect he is carrying a rib injury, but rest has not been an option.  I not convinced he will ever be consistent but like the fact he is around; after grealish probably our most maverick player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 22, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 22, 2021, 10:11:29 PM
Still the player with most potential to frighten the opposition when Grealish is unavailable. He has underperformed lately though, admittedly. He seems to be suffering from the same malaise that's affecting the rest of the team. If we had more players he would almost certainly have been dropped.

I haven't given up on him as quickly as many on here, though, and fancy him to run Baggies ragged on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2021, 10:17:23 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

5/10 is way too generous, he's been a 3 or a 4 for weeks. Constantly loses possession, and doesn't support Cash one bit. A total dud.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2021, 10:35:44 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.
A truly gifted footballer. An artisan mason amongst blunt chiselers. Lacking in application and direction. That is the job of the Coaching team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on April 22, 2021, 10:43:59 PM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.
AEG + Trezeguet + Traore =< Albrighton (for instance)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 22, 2021, 11:11:30 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zouch Villa on April 22, 2021, 11:37:47 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka

Is this in the same sense that Iím closely monitoring Jennifer Lawrence?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 04:50:18 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 23, 2021, 05:51:50 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.

I agree. I'm not sure why anyone actually expects him to defend. I mean, look at him. He's clearly a flair player that can't tackle and can't track back. We've got enough bland, workhorses types, that although not really playing well at the moment, should be able to defend properly.

If he has to play, I'd push Traore right up alongside Ollie and tell him to drift and dribble to his hearts content.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 05:54:01 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 07:44:26 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 10:18:55 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: manic-road on April 23, 2021, 10:27:06 AM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 23, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka

Is this in the same sense that Iím closely monitoring Jennifer Lawrence?

you will get in trouble !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 10:31:07 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 23, 2021, 11:14:16 AM
I think the big positive (if thatís not a stupid thing to say) of Jacks injury is that we have had a chance to see in his absence who would stand up to be counted in an attacking sense without Jack there to take all the attention.  Answer is pretty damning players like Traore & El Ghazi who looked decent when Jack was in there creating them space have a complete lack of ability to do it for themselves....El Ghazi just literally goes missing and Traore is a bigger menace to our full backs than theirs, particularly when he is hitting blind passes in our own half.

Whilst I am not against the 433 I just canít see how we can play it without Ollie & Jack filling two of those shirts....I wonder whether another Ď10í like Buendia bring the 3rd one of the front 3 would be better option than the wingers we have or are being linked with like Rashica.

Iím another fan of Bissouma as we do lack a physical presence in the centre.

We absolutely have to find a player who is both a first choice player and also a proper set piece taker....I come back to the conundrum of James Ward-Prowse, Iíve lost count of the amount of times Iíve watched him & canít work out if he a good player or if he is a Hourihane style set piece passenger?  Set pieces are a huge weakness, we have created so few chances from them.

If Engels, Hause & Taylor all leave as expected we will need 2 centre halves and a back up left back as I donít see anyone in the u23s in those positions ready to step up, Chrisene looks good but he is v young.  I will always be a fan of Tuanzebe but I suspect if he leaves United it will be a starter & im not sure heíd be a backup again.  These are the positions I expect to see the most of Langeís influence this summer, players from the continent not huge money buys
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 23, 2021, 11:22:01 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.

I agree. I'm not sure why anyone actually expects him to defend. I mean, look at him. He's clearly a flair player that can't tackle and can't track back. We've got enough bland, workhorses types, that although not really playing well at the moment, should be able to defend properly.

If he has to play, I'd push Traore right up alongside Ollie and tell him to drift and dribble to his hearts content.

Drift and dribble. A new parent's guide.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 23, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 12:25:44 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.

I'd say it's irrelevant anyway. It's almost certain Man U will want him back, though with a better than average chance West Ham will make it permanent if they do finish top 4. Either way he's going to want to be at a Champions League club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 23, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.

Pretty sure his overall goals and assists in probably still under 20 starts for us is fairly decent.

Just had a quick look and he's scored 5 league goals and off the top of my head I can remember the assist for Ollie's goal v Arsenal and the other week for Fulham third so considering he only broke properly into the team in December he's generally done o.k.

Been really poor recently no doubt but at his best he simply has more to his game than El Ghazi and Trez.

What we have to remember is nowadays signing a player for 15m dosen't really get you 10 goals and 10 assists a season unless you have incredibly good scouting.

That will be expected from whatever signing we make for 30m + which is probably coming from us in next year or two. Even then there's no guarentee but let's hope we scout well enough to find one capable of that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2021, 01:02:32 PM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.

Pretty sure his overall goals and assists in probably still under 20 starts for us is fairly decent.

Just had a quick look and he's scored 5 league goals and off the top of my head I can remember the assist for Ollie's goal v Arsenal and the other week for Fulham third so considering he only broke properly into the team in December he's generally done o.k.

Been really poor recently no doubt but at his best he simply has more to his game than El Ghazi and Trez.

What we have to remember is nowadays signing a player for 15m dosen't really get you 10 goals and 10 assists a season unless you have incredibly good scouting.

That will be expected from whatever signing we make for 30m + which is probably coming from us in next year or two. Even then there's no guarentee but let's hope we scout well enough to find one capable of that.

5 goals and 4 assists in 22 starts, I think that's a decent return for a winger in his first season with us at that price. He's also 3rd (behind Grealish and McGinn) for the number of successful dribbles per game. Where he needs to improve is getting more shots away and playing more 'positive' passes into the box.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
His decision making needs to improve,  when to try the nice flick (ie not when we've just the the ball back for the first time in 10 mins), when hold onto it for a bit, etc.
 
Because ability wise he has it in spades.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
His decision making needs to improve,  when to try the nice flick (ie not when we've just the the ball back for the first time in 10 mins), when hold onto it for a bit, etc.
 
Because ability wise he has it in spades.

Yeah, that's largely what I mean about the shots and passes into the box, oddly he seems more willing, right now, to try something risky in our half than he is in the final third which I can only imagine is a lack of confidence/struggle to cope with the pressure thing. Earlier in the season he was trying all sorts of tricks around the box and they've mostly disappeared in the last month or so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on April 23, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 23, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.

He's an experienced player though, he shouldn't need that kick. Might be worth trying him in 10 for a few weeks as I don't see him as an option out wide really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 23, 2021, 05:07:04 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.

I'd say it's irrelevant anyway. It's almost certain Man U will want him back, though with a better than average chance West Ham will make it permanent if they do finish top 4. Either way he's going to want to be at a Champions League club.

Not disagreeing with you, or saying I want Lingard, but if we are going to get to the next level we need to start convincing players we will soon be a Champions League club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 23, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
You do that by showing ambition. 2 seasons of Premier League football, going into a third makes FFP less of a problem and means we can start to leverage our position more. Remember when we tried to sign Callum Wilson last summer, it came to light that we weren't able to offer the same terms that Newcastle were because of FFP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on April 23, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
You do that by showing ambition. 2 seasons of Premier League football, going into a third makes FFP less of a problem and means we can start to leverage our position more. Remember when we tried to sign Callum Wilson last summer, it came to light that we weren't able to offer the same terms that Newcastle were because of FFP.


Was it FFP though, or was it the fact that we weren't prepared to pay him 100k a week
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 23, 2021, 07:00:31 PM
One way or the other, I'm glad we didn't.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on April 23, 2021, 08:25:58 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.

He's an experienced player though, he shouldn't need that kick. Might be worth trying him in 10 for a few weeks as I don't see him as an option out wide really.

I've often thought he would look better as a no10 but I think he'd get hustled off the ball like he does now as well. It's frustrating because there's clearly a lot of talent there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2021, 02:34:45 PM
Letís go to Brentford (again) and offer them big bucks for Toney. Heís got everything. Could be a top level striker.

Wonder if we could offer them £20mil.

Or maybe even £25mil and Chuck Wesley and Davis in 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2021, 10:22:13 PM
I don't want us to buy anyone else from Brentford ever again, no matter how good they are. Unless Brentford agree to officially being our feeder club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on April 24, 2021, 10:35:18 PM
He's done a good job Thomas Frank, given he lost Maupay, Konsa, Benrahma and Watkins.  Toney looks really laid back but scores goals. Decent player.

Watching a bit of Yves Bissouma for Brighton tonight, great player but I thought he slowed the game down too much when they were pressing for an equaliser against Sheffield United.  I think he's a really good player though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2021, 10:45:45 PM
Bissouma is miles better than Nakamba.

Would also give us option of re-jigging midfield and having him at the base with likes of Doug and McGinn further forward. Brighton play that with likes of Lallana and Gross pushing on.

I agree he would be excellent pick up but not convinced CM will be a high priority in the summer compared to other positions and he'd cost 30m-40m so would take up a big chunk of what we've got available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Agree Marv just isnít good enough, or at least he isnít based on what Iíve seen. For his role he misses two key components - he canít get close enough to his opponents to disrupt play and even when he does heís then careless on the ball and gives it away.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2021, 11:41:14 PM
From what I've seen of them I prefer Berge to Bissouma if we're going for a midfielder from a team in the relegation battle. In part because I reckon he'd be a great option to cover centre half as a 4th option as well as being a regular in midfield and would give us space to look at youngsters coming through in defence. (all of this is assuming Engels is going to leave).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on April 25, 2021, 01:05:23 AM
From what i have seen of our midfield this year none of them are good enough on present form. JM is not a natural midfielder his distribution is haphazard. One thing, JG being out may have done us a favour because he covered up a lot of the weaknesses in the squad. Not sure about fairplay going forward but the owners need to spend a lot of money to get us in a position to challenge the top sides, replacing one or two will not do it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 08:02:19 AM
Just cannot see what people see in Berge from Sheffield United, looks your standard athlete getting up and down the pitch but whereís the ability on the ball? Bissouma looks a far better option as has the athleticism and physicality but looks quality on the ball.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 08:44:35 AM
Bissouma has the highest walking stats in the league. No other player strolls about as much as him, quite literally.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
But if thatís his role in the team what does it matter? Iíd rather we had someone who thought about his positioning rather than Nakamba the headless chicken hot potato possession loser.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 08:59:06 AM
Somebody more high energy would be preferable. I'd like more players capable of running the opposition off the park.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 09:05:38 AM
Iíd prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. Iím all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didnít seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 09:08:19 AM
You have to win the ball to use it and that means a high energy press. The more players we have like Watkins, McGinn and Sanson who are capable of doing that, the higher up the pitch we turn the ball.over and the less distance Super Jack and whoever is at 10 and on the other wing has to go towards goal. Full backs pressed up higher too, much more attacking which is ultimately what we've lacked since January at least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 25, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
Iíd prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. Iím all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didnít seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
They have Rodri and Fernandinho who close space quickly and are able to put their foot in where necessary.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2021, 10:25:03 AM
Iíd prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. Iím all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didnít seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
They have Rodri and Fernandinho who close space quickly and are able to put their foot in where necessary.

Yep, that's Rodri who's 6'2, quick and very strong.

I don't disagree with either Ads or AV82EC on this but I think you need both technical ability and physicality. I don't see Bissouma as a superior technical player to Berge though, I see 2 teams playing very different styles and central midfielders who fit into that. I've seen a lot more than 'standard athlete' about Berge though, I put him up as someone I'd have looked at in the summer after promotion because, thanks to spending a lot of time in Norway, I'd seen a lot more of him than most people on here. I suspect he'll go on to be a similar player to Vieira where he can drive the team forward as well as being defensively solid. He'd be top of my list for signings this summer but I think we'll have plenty of competition.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 25, 2021, 10:33:52 AM
Todayís rumours:

Manure want to buy Heaton if they canít buy Sam Johnstone.

We are after Cantwell as a replacement for Jack.

We are also after Buendia.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 25, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
Todayís rumours:

Manure want to buy Heaton if they canít buy Sam Johnstone.

We are after Cantwell as a replacement for Jack.

We are also after Buendia.

Canít see Johnstone wanting to go as a back up, whereas Heaton would be swapping like for like, so there might be some mileage in that. Jed Steer is more than capable as a back up.

Read today than ManU would swap Lingard, plus cash, for Jack!! Canít see that, as Lingard Iím sure he would want to be in the same team as Jack.

Cantwell and Buendia would be great signings, certainly preferable if we kept Jack, though.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Something about Cantwell I don't like - but I'd probably say that about Grealish if he played for someone else. He's a decent player - can't see him ever getting to Jack's level.

Heaton may as well go to Man Utd - and we should take the chance to get his wages off the books.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 11:59:35 AM
Transfer rumours should be like undergrad papers, where you have to source everything. They'd print Jack all and wouldn't the world be a better place for it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2021, 12:18:04 PM
The time to buy Norwich's finest was last summer. They're back up so their top players will either be happy to stay or their club and agents will charge top brass.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 25, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
Nobody is going to pay £100 million for a player that's been out for months, and we aren't going to sell our best player for less than that. Grealish will still be here next season.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2021, 12:29:32 PM
Said it a few times in last 12 months but we could do far worse this summer than sign Chris Wood.

Got to be one of the most underrated strikers in premier league. One off hitting double figures in the premier league yet again so we really need secondary striker in the squad capable of that.
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 12:40:12 PM
We could also do a lot better.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
We could also do a lot better.

Looking forward to it then as many don't want Tammy either so must be some reasonably proven CL striker being lined up!
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Post by: Axl Rose on April 25, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
I thought you wrote 'Chris Woods', and couldn't believe he was still playing.
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Post by: garyellis on April 25, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Two players from the Championship that will be available are Armstrong from Blackburn and Olise from Reading. Both with great potential would strengthen our squad and would be well within our reach.
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Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2021, 01:47:36 PM
I think the decision on potentially adding a striker will depend a lot on if Wesley gets some game time before the summer and how he does. If he gets on and holds up to it I think he'll be given a chance through pre-season so if someone does come in I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty late in the window.
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Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
I thought you wrote 'Chris Woods', and couldn't believe he was still playing.

I was always 'meh' about Chris Woods until he gave one of the best performances  I've ever seen from a keeper when we beat Wednesday 2-0 in 1993.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 25, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
Something about Cantwell I don't like - but I'd probably say that about Grealish if he played for someone else. He's a decent player - can't see him ever getting to Jack's level.

Heaton may as well go to Man Utd - and we should take the chance to get his wages off the books.

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Post by: Monty on April 25, 2021, 03:06:55 PM
I know that we shouldn't be going backwards and that our priorities are elsewhere, but this week has reminded me that I'd love to have Milner back for a season or so. The guy is such a great and understated presence in a team.
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Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2021, 03:39:10 PM
Partridge is back next week
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 25, 2021, 03:48:11 PM
I know that we shouldn't be going backwards and that our priorities are elsewhere, but this week has reminded me that I'd love to have Milner back for a season or so. The guy is such a great and understated presence in a team.

Derby manager this time in two years.
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Post by: Gareth on April 25, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Langeís brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed
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Post by: villa for life on April 25, 2021, 04:46:09 PM
Thatís a big presumption (first paragraph).
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Post by: Gareth on April 25, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
Not sure it is though....two are out of contract and two have barely kicked a ball all season.  Guilbert might be back
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 25, 2021, 05:04:01 PM
I would be surprised if Hause leaves unless he's agitating for a move.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 25, 2021, 05:24:25 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Langeís brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed

Tuanzebe....provides cover at RB, RCB and opens up possibility of going to 3 at back
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Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Hause is a really useful backup squad member. No way should we be selling unless for ten mill.
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Post by: Monty on April 25, 2021, 05:58:02 PM
Agree, Hause's best years are ahead of them and I believe they are Premier League years.
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Post by: Risso on April 25, 2021, 06:00:17 PM
Agree, Hause's best years are ahead of them and I believe they are Premier League years.

Yep, he was really good when called into the team, and a bit unlucky not to keep his place I reckon. I also think he could be decent at left back, so he's exacly the sort of player we need to keep.
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Post by: algy on April 25, 2021, 06:36:26 PM
Yep, keep Hause. Perfectly decent defender for where we are. If we have the chance to make him 4th choice we should take it, but there's an awful lot of players I'd get rid of before him.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 25, 2021, 07:38:33 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Langeís brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed

Tuanzebe....provides cover at RB, RCB and opens up possibility of going to 3 at back

Firstly, we don't need any more injury prone players. Secondly, he isn't going to swap the Man U bench for ours. Thirdly, three at the back is horrendous.

So, it's a no from me.
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Post by: Ian. on April 25, 2021, 07:54:01 PM
Pretty well summed up cdbullyweefan!
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Post by: Smirker on April 25, 2021, 10:10:35 PM
This summer:

- Top CB to challenge Mings and Konsa
- Winger who can cross
- Top CM to replace Barkley
- Quality goalscoring striker

Promote Barry, Carney and consider any offers for the likes of El Ghazi, Trez, Engels.


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Post by: olaftab on April 26, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Mr Lange needs to make a call and start negotiating to get Pereira signed double quick.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
According to Steve Madeley, The Athletic's Albion guy, we are indeed keeping an eye on the Pereira situation - but we're not the only ones.
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Post by: mrfuse on April 26, 2021, 02:45:23 PM
This might have already been mentioned but the other day on the BBC site it mentioned Spurs were looking at Caleb Chukwuemeka and I wondered if we had looked at him at all. It would seem logical that we would or should be interested.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 03:37:48 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 03:39:00 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?

Yes.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 03:39:57 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.
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Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2021, 03:50:25 PM
The rise of Atalanta has given me the football-fuzzies. A trip to Bergamo next season to take-in a game looks appealing (once they've de-covid'd the region obvs).
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 04:42:01 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 26, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?

Absolutely.
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 26, 2021, 04:49:12 PM
As reluctant as I am to agree with LeeB and cd, three at the back just makes me think of those 0-0s against Ever(yone)ton under Gregory.I'm sure that there are some innovative continental coaches who can make it work, but it's fundamentally shit, because it's never three, it always ends up being five.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 26, 2021, 04:58:07 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 26, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.

The Sumerians invented slavery and three-at-the-back, but Sargon the Great overloaded the midfield and that was the end of them.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 26, 2021, 05:36:14 PM
That's why they called him "Great". He was Sargon the Bellend when he was still tinkering with three at the back.
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Post by: nigel on April 26, 2021, 05:54:40 PM
I have to admit Iím not averse to 3 at the back, with the right players, though.

Imagine McGrath in between Konsa and Mings?
Wing backs Gidman and Gibson types
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
There's clearly some kind of outbreak.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2021, 06:16:59 PM
If I could be convinced that it wouldn't quickly become 5-3-2, it would have more merit for me. Atalanta are a bit of an exception though, you would have to have a very high quality set of players to stop it turning it into a defensive set-up.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 06:28:44 PM
You have to have Gasperini or Bielsa or someone,  someone who's willing to risk a few hidings for their vision. Otherwise the dreaded back 5 becomes inevitable.

Back on topic, I know we're supposed to be lining up a striker to come in, but given how expensive they are and our seriously glaring weaknesses elsewhere I'd prefer to assess especially Wesley and Louie Barry before making that call. If the two of them can contribute seriously (a Brazil international and La Masia alum, let's not forget) then I'd rather see us focus on our creativity problem, as without Jack we seriously lack reliable options.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2021, 06:32:57 PM
Even with Jack we would still need to be able to give opposition other problems to think about otherwise teams just double up on Jack.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 06:45:37 PM
Even with Jack we would still need to be able to give opposition other problems to think about otherwise teams just double up on Jack.
Pereira, Bundia, Trossard,Olise ...  there are players we could add that would give JG more space and / or cover for him when injured. We certainly need to bring in players that cause opponents to think more than simply double-marking JG.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 26, 2021, 06:51:04 PM
I have to admit Iím not averse to 3 at the back

Et tu, Nigel?
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Post by: nigel on April 26, 2021, 07:02:40 PM
I have to admit Iím not averse to 3 at the back

Et tu, Nigel?

Iím sorry 😔
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Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
My issue with 3 at the back is very much based on trends. Almost no one plays with 2 up front now, some version of 1 up front and players either wider or deeper moving in to join them is much more common. That means only 1 of you 3 can be marking a forward (who will be moving across the line in most cases) and the other 2 are marking space but as they'll have spent most of their career playing in a 4 they just won't be used to doing that in a 3/5.

If you want to go with it then fine but you need to commit to it and drill the shape into players. throwing players into it as a whim because you're mixing things up just doesn't work and because so many managers 'give it a go' when they're struggling most fans associate it with a manager who has lost the plot. I'm not saying it can't work as an option, I just don't think it works anything like as well as people expect it to.

433 or some derivative of it still gives you the same 5 defensive players and still allows the full backs to get forward but because the DM is a 'spare'it doesn't damage the defensive shape anything like as much.

The back 3 I could get behind is 1 CB and 2 defensive fullbacks with 2 DMs in front then you get the fullbacks to man mark players like Salah, Rashford, etc who are wide forwards rather than wingers. You can even go with inverted or 2-footed fullbacks so they're stronger defending their inside shoulder and can force those players to try to find space out wide where they're less dangerous. I doubt many teams would be brave enough to try that though.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 26, 2021, 07:32:51 PM
Agree Paul e .
Very few talk about the tactical limitations of 3 ( itís pretty easy to make the 3 a 5 and then dominate thae space in the central areas) and how difficult it is for players to adapt to it.
In fact most players donít like it because they have not been bought up  to play that way.
Our defence is not the problem, so why tamper with the part of the set up that is working?
What happens ahead of the defence is where the problems start.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 26, 2021, 07:50:29 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.

That would be a great trip, but have they finished their stadium?  They were using the san Siro the last time I looked.
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Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2021, 07:53:29 PM
Donít Wolves play three at the back?
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 07:54:36 PM
Donít Wolves play three at the back?

*wipes milk from lips*

Exactly.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.

That would be a great trip, but have they finished their stadium?  They were using the san Siro the last time I looked.

Only for the Champions League for some reason. But we have to wait for full reopening,  but the Bergameschi are great craic.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 08:07:46 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
my argument is merely for flexibility, which means formations shouldn't be 'a given'.
Whether it's 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1 or whatever, other successful teams deploy a variation; frequently.
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Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2021, 08:10:37 PM
Donít Wolves play three at the back?

*wipes milk from lips*

Exactly.

This surely can be put to bed then.
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Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
my argument is merely for flexibility, which means formations shouldn't be 'a given'.
Whether it's 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1 or whatever, other successful teams deploy a variation; frequently.

How often do teams switch from a back 4 to 3 or 5 though? Here and there in games where they're desperate and sacrifice a defender for another striker and most of the time it has no impact so no one remembers. Much more common is shifting players around in midfield and up front where positioning is less important (and movement is king).
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Post by: Risso on April 26, 2021, 09:50:29 PM
Any system is only as good as the players in it though. With Jack fit and firing on all cylinders, 4-3-3 worked really well. With him running rings around everybody, even Trez's graft but lack of skill looked OK, because it gave the more central players like McGinn and Barkley a chance to be more attacking.  As soon as we've had to play a combination of Traore/Trez and El Ghazi either side of Watkins though, it's looked like a massive bag of shite, because none of these three are good enough consistently to make it work.

So while I'm no massive fan of 3-5-2, I think with our current players it could certainly work.  Targett and Cash have been two of our better players this year and would certainly be more than good enough at wing back. The three in the middle would allow the likes of McGinn to play in his preferred attacking role, and we wouldn't have to watch El Ghazi and Traore achieve the square root of bugger all, game after game. Even with Jack back I think it would be good, because he could then have a free role behind Ollie making it far less easy to mark him out of games.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 11:53:56 PM
95/96 being airbrushed from history, seen it all on this site now.

Sir Brian Little adores the formation and really things started going wrong when he did that weird thing at start of 97/98 playing Yorke in central midfield or number 10 or wherever the hell he was while Collymore scored once in his first 20 games.

Will have to have a re-read of his book and lift the quotes just to annoy cdb further (wink).
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Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
So Tuanzebe in a back three with Konsa and Mings then? The wingless wonders with McGinn and Grealish playing off Watkins.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Douglas Luiz the ball playing libero obvs....
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Post by: olaftab on April 27, 2021, 04:19:17 AM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.
I am shocked just when I was mounting up the courage to propose we erect a John Gregory statue in front of the Holte suite😟
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Post by: ROBBO on April 27, 2021, 06:35:11 AM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 27, 2021, 07:15:59 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.

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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.



We don't know what shape Wesley is going to be in long term, and while everybody is pleased for Davis, one goal does not equal emerging as a goal scorer, surely? One swallow and all that.
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Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2021, 07:59:13 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.
Agree with Risso re Wes and Davis, and: perhaps Hause is the cover for Targett.
If we're talking a major pullback from spending, we could get away with 1 signing - a strong CMF.

However, I think that our owners will see this summer as an opportunity to spend and get ahead of where we are.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2021, 08:39:46 AM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

It only works if you have Alan Wright motoring down the left hand side once every ten games though.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.
and we donít need to go 3 at the back to get the most out of him..
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 09:21:58 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.
Agree with Risso re Wes and Davis, and: perhaps Hause is the cover for Targett.
If we're talking a major pullback from spending, we could get away with 1 signing - a strong CMF.

However, I think that our owners will see this summer as an opportunity to spend and get ahead of where we are.

Surely the Wes and Davis thing should be discussed at the end of the season. For Wes the question was always if he could come back from the injury so he has 6 games to show he is on track for that. For Davis there was the massive elephant in the room that he'd never scored in this league, now he's got his first lets see if the people who thought he just needed the goal to get some confidence were right. if they can get 2-3 goals between them in the next 6 games I think that earns them the first half of next season to really step up and give us 3 good options without spending anything.

For me our target should be (at least) 20 goals from our strikers, 20 from our wide players and 15 from midfield and defence for the season. If you score 55 goals in the premier league you'll be in the mix for the top 6, particularly with a defensive record like ours.

This season the breakdown is Strikers=13, Wingers=20, Midfield and Defence=11 so clearly we need more from the forwards next year but if Wes and Davis can get even a couple between them before the summer reaching that 20 will look a lot more realistic, add a couple from Ollie and we won't be far off this year. That's why I don't think we're as far off really challenging for the top 6 as a lot of people on here think.

That said I don't think there will be a reduction in spending though, if anything this summer is the best opportunity the club will have to flex a bit and spend big money because FFP for the last 2 years is largely unenforceable and I doubt it will survive as a concept as a result. The whole idea needs to be reviewed and the 'ladder pulling' aspect needs to be addressed, particularly given the clubs that pushed for that part are the same bunch of twats that tried to create their own monopoly league.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2021, 09:50:54 AM
Did I dream that Leicester changed to 3-5-2 the season they went on that amazing run to survive?  Possibly I did but I thought Nigel changed it midway into the season.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 27, 2021, 10:18:25 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.



We don't know what shape Wesley is going to be in long term, and while everybody is pleased for Davis, one goal does not equal emerging as a goal scorer, surely? One swallow and all that.

One swallow was all it took to get me hooked. [/Julian Clary]
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 10:27:42 AM
FFP is dead, for now.
Survival for many is going to be the focus.
Across Europe Governments have been propping up enterprises, relaxing Insolvency Rules, suspending Landlords and Creditor rights.
As we come out of the pandemic we are likely to hear the word " Restructuring" applying to all sorts of Business including Football Clubs.
We are fortunate to have the Balance Sheet and the owners we have and it will be interesting to see to what extent we capatalise on this.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 27, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Is FFP actually dead? I've heard lots of people say this but no confirmation.
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Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2021, 11:35:36 AM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.
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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.
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Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2021, 12:07:53 PM
In the Premier League though, there aren't very many players at all that create good opportunities and he's one of the few. Grealish is streets ahead of the rest.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 12:30:27 PM
Is FFP actually dead? I've heard lots of people say this but no confirmation.
There has been various stories but I have not seen anything official.
The existing criteria just wont work and it will be very difficult to come up with a formula that would work under these circumstances.
I would think they may start to look at other measurements in due course.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 27, 2021, 01:44:07 PM
Not really sure Davis can really be described as "emerged as a goal scorer" but really hope he can be soon.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
Not really sure Davis can really be described as "emerged as a goal scorer" but really hope he can be soon.
he scored "a goal"

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Post by: Moonraker on April 27, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Yes, well spotted, but not sure we should call off our search for a more regular goal scorer just yet.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
Because we're massively off form and have been for 20 games.  Another decent striker could have freshened things up, allowed other formations, Ollie to play on the left etc or just got us some goals and points off the bench.  Not getting someone in in Jan to relieve the pressure on Ollie was a huge mistake.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
Because we're massively off form and have been for 20 games.  Another decent striker could have freshened things up, allowed other formations, Ollie to play on the left etc or just got us some goals and points off the bench.  Not getting someone in in Jan to relieve the pressure on Ollie was a huge mistake.

So it didn't then but you think another striker might have made a difference. In my opinion a midfielder to carry the ball out would have been much more useful, Sanson might be that player but he needs time and we thought Barkley was that player until his injury. On that basis I think we'd be nuts to not make a quality central midfielder our priority.
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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 02:24:08 PM
It's possible to buy more than one player I believe.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 02:29:44 PM
Well if you think having to play the same striker for every minute of every game without any options to shake up our system or bring fresh legs off the bench hasn't had a negative impact on our season then fair enough.  I disagree. 

Of course we need midfielders.  But I still think it would be crazy to go into a new season gambling on an undercooked forward line for a third season running. 
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 03:01:52 PM
Well if you think having to play the same striker for every minute of every game without any options to shake up our system or bring fresh legs off the bench hasn't had a negative impact on our season then fair enough.  I disagree. 

Of course we need midfielders.  But I still think it would be crazy to go into a new season gambling on an undercooked forward line for a third season running. 



We've had to play the same defence every game and we've played McGinn and Luiz in almost every game as well (other than Nakamba getting a few starts and mostly looking out of his depth). The whole squad is lacking depth but you're focused on a position where players returning from injuries and getting fit could be the answer. We play with 1 striker most of the time (I know there are people that don't like that but it's still true) so 3 is plenty, especially with Barry coming through as well. Yes Wesley needs to prove his fitness and Davis needs to show he's improving but we have a perfect opportunity to let them have a chance to do that in the next 6 games.


There's just too many unknowns right now to say we NEED to get another striker in the summer which is why I don't think it's "nuts" to consider not needing to spend that money.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 27, 2021, 03:13:30 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.

Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace
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Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.
Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.
If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.
Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace
Very succinctly put, UKR.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 27, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.

Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace

He really isn't.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 04:21:21 PM
I don't dislike him as much as many but for me Adama is what you'd get if you created a custom player on Football manager and gave him 15-20 in all technical and physical stats but straight 1s in mental stats, his ability to read play, his decision making, his movement off the ball is all on the level of a 10 year in the school playground, at best.
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Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2021, 04:33:46 PM
He has that unusual, squat build of a fighter (boxer?) that you rarely see in a footballer (i.e closer to Maradona's shape).

I wonder if he make the most of it - at times he glides past players partly due to it, something to do with a lower/different centre of gravity? Then again, is the focus on a muscular build a vanity thing? Dousing his arms with baby oil before games might give the answer. I do like watching him play though even if he's not quite the real deal.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 27, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
I'd be happy with him back. He has the potential to frighten opponents. Lots of people seem to have decided Lingard is the real deal, based on one decent half season after years of mediocrity, but many of the same people have written Adama Traore off after one underwhelming campaign.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 27, 2021, 05:01:01 PM
Wolves fan I know absolutely can't wait to offload him.
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Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
I'd be happy to swap him for AEG or Trez.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2021, 06:19:27 PM
So many other clubs out there. 

I don't see why he'd head back, or feel any particular affinity for, a club where he previously had a bad time.

An alternative wide player to Grealish is probably where we're going to see the biggest investment this summer, particularly to the injury to Trez.

I'd prefer that to be on something better than a Wolves reserve.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2021, 06:27:11 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.
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Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2021, 06:47:56 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 27, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2021, 06:53:21 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
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Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
God?
Unfortunately I donít think his knees are up for it anymore.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
God?
Unfortunately I donít think his knees are up for it anymore.


ha ha yes , sorry blasphemy
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Post by: Exeter 77 on April 27, 2021, 08:06:02 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.
He may be even slightly faster than Tony Daley but Daley was more consistent as wingers go (also one of my favourite players).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?

5 points gained from losing positions is very low total for team that's been top half 90% of the season.

Just in last few weeks Newcastle have got two draws in last 5 minutes v Spurs and Liverpool and beaten Burnley from a goal down so they've matched that total and they're a bog standard bottom 6 team. Think all those goals were scored from players off the bench.

We simply don't have enough players who can come on with half an hour left and up the tempo and pin opposition back, at the moment it's more bringing on a Trez or Davis to see a game out.

We need 5-6 Fulham type games next season to be in with serious chance of europa spot as we were always decent at getting points from behind in games in the MON years.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Duvan Zapata linked.

That sounds more like it.

Just the 77 Serie A goals since 2016 and Atalanta might want to cash in on him now he's hit 30.

Probably someone West Ham will go for.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Duvan Zapata linked.

That sounds more like it.

Just the 77 Serie A goals since 2016 and Atalanta might want to cash in on him now he's hit 30.
Not sure he's type Dean is looking for. Not doubting his quality - I just expected us to go for younger, players with a sell on value etc.

To be fair, Zapata might be looking to play in the Champions League again next season.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 08:43:16 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.
Imagine that.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.

He is. Just a shame he can't cross. Great defender though.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 09:02:38 PM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.

He is. Just a shame he can't cross. Great defender though.
I don't think Targett's delivery is that bad
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 09:21:51 PM
I don't either. The WBA RB was incredibly good at blocking every single cross seemingly on Sunday. He got an assist for the Ollie goal at Newcastle a few weeks back.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2021, 10:08:00 PM
I'd be happy with him back. He has the potential to frighten opponents. Lots of people seem to have decided Lingard is the real deal, based on one decent half season after years of mediocrity, but many of the same people have written Adama Traore off after one underwhelming campaign.

Can't be easy for any wide man if your main centre forward, Jimenez, is out injured for a long time and his replacements are beyond useless. That was us last season to a degree.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on April 28, 2021, 01:35:25 AM
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward.

Davis has 6 career goals in 5 seasons and Wesley was mostly dire before his injury. The chances of him now becoming a somewhat prolific goalscorer for us after his horrific injury is slim to none.

I shudder to think what would happen to us if we lost Watkins to injury early on next season with your bright ideas.
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Post by: tony scott on April 28, 2021, 03:58:10 AM
Even if Wesley gets six in six Iím sure we will buy another striker and loan out KD
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Post by: caster troy on April 28, 2021, 10:33:54 AM
My wish list below. I would go all in on three top players and promote youth to provide backups.

A striker/right winger who can cover Watkins, play alongside him or replace Traore as required.
A number 10 who can also ideally cover left wing. Rotate with positions with Jack and give Chukwuemeka chances at 10 also.
A Kante type player to protect the back 4

Listen to offers for Guilbert, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Engels

Loan out Davis, Barry, A Ramsey, Bogarde

Promote Kesler Hayden as cover for Cash and option on right wing. Chukwumeka (who ideally should be getting game time right now in preparation).

If there is money in the pot after all that maybe get a backup to Targett and loan out Chrisene.
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Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.

I loved watching Tony Daley.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 28, 2021, 10:52:30 AM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....
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Post by: OzVilla on April 28, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Wondering today if Ďour Chuckí could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?
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Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
Wondering today if Ďour Chuckí could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?
With a decent DMF, we'd have Chuk, McGinn and Sanson as good ball-carrying midfielders.
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Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2021, 12:41:08 PM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....

He's the fittest fifty-something you could wish to emulate.
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Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....

He's the fittest fifty-something you could wish to emulate.

He's in unbelievable shape, he's probably bigger then Traore.

What a player he was though, I always felt he was underrated. His pace was all that ever got mentioned, but he had tricks and could finish with either foot, near or far.

Mad to think we sold a brilliant local talent in Mark Walters and just replaced him with another. Mark was possibly more gifted but I think Daley had more end product, and was more direct.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.
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Post by: hipkiss92 on April 28, 2021, 01:21:41 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?

5 points gained from losing positions is very low total for team that's been top half 90% of the season.

Just in last few weeks Newcastle have got two draws in last 5 minutes v Spurs and Liverpool and beaten Burnley from a goal down so they've matched that total and they're a bog standard bottom 6 team. Think all those goals were scored from players off the bench.

We simply don't have enough players who can come on with half an hour left and up the tempo and pin opposition back, at the moment it's more bringing on a Trez or Davis to see a game out.

We need 5-6 Fulham type games next season to be in with serious chance of europa spot as we were always decent at getting points from behind in games in the MON years.

Equally, we didn't go behind in that many games (comparatively) to a normal season, or drop points from a leading position until the last few games.
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Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
My wish list below. I would go all in on three top players and promote youth to provide backups.

A striker/right winger who can cover Watkins, play alongside him or replace Traore as required.
A number 10 who can also ideally cover left wing. Rotate with positions with Jack and give Chukwuemeka chances at 10 also.
A Kante type player to protect the back 4

Listen to offers for Guilbert, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Engels

Loan out Davis, Barry, A Ramsey, Bogarde

Promote Kesler Hayden as cover for Cash and option on right wing. Chukwumeka (who ideally should be getting game time right now in preparation).

If there is money in the pot after all that maybe get a backup to Targett and loan out Chrisene.

A striker, starting winger, starting deep lying midfielder and a left back to challenge Targett would be on my list. 

Think as the season has gone on, it has become increasingly apparent that we need a solid, mobile defensive midfielder in the mould of Ndidi at Leicester and along with a striker, I think that is a priority.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on April 28, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.
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Post by: caster troy on April 28, 2021, 02:51:08 PM
Wondering today if Ďour Chuckí could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?

I want to see him further up the pitch playing closer to Grealish, he seems to be deadly in and around the box and could really exploit the space Jack creates. Similar to Barkley's role before he fell apart.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 28, 2021, 03:45:22 PM

Mad to think we sold a brilliant local talent in Mark Walters and just replaced him with another. Mark was possibly more gifted but I think Daley had more end product, and was more direct.

I watched quite a bit of Walters at Bristol Rovers. He still had class in his mid-thirties
Vitālijs Astafjevs was my favourite player from that era at rovers. He was one of the Rovers players that I was saying Villa should sign back then. Same goes for Rickie Lambert

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Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2021, 04:28:31 PM
Too many funky vowel-consonant mash-ups.
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Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.

The article I posted had him as creating far more opportunities than most players, and way more dribbles and passing players too. Which is what had me changing my mind.

ďYou know I always tell people in our businesses great judgement, overrated, great information, underrated,Ē said Wes Edens. ďBecause truly if you have great information most of the decisions are pretty darn simple. Yeah and so I feel like in soccer theyíve got a long way to go in terms of analytics data."



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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.

Much better than James Morrison.  Neto is very good though.
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Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2021, 07:16:27 PM
Iíd rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.

Much better than James Morrison.  Neto is very good though.

We should look at the promising Irish midfielder, Tesc O'Fabragas.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 28, 2021, 07:25:16 PM
We should be looking at cheaper players in England - yes, Home Bargains 
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Post by: Monty on April 28, 2021, 07:28:42 PM
We need a reserve left-back now we are sans Bree.
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Post by: CT on April 28, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
We could head back to the Belgium leagues again for Trent Sainsbury.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on April 28, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
We could head back to the Belgium leagues again for Trent Sainsbury.

I think weíre more in the Fortnum & Mason league now rather than the Sainsburyís.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2021, 10:49:16 PM
Glad we didnít wait for Rose from spurs.
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Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2021, 10:54:45 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.

Exactly, a 20 minute sub option at one of the Champions League team heíd be good but as a starter in a middle of the road team his reputation scares much more than his end product deserves
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Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
Is Asda Hartford still playing?
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Post by: algy on April 29, 2021, 10:19:01 AM
Rumours on t'internet are that Chelsea are open to offers for Tammy Abraham.

Need to get that done.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
We have to be a bit more clear-eyed on Tammy. I like him, but Watkins is better, and the cost is likely to be well above value. We have other expensive priorities in attacking midfield, if you ask me, which is where the money really needs to go.
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 11:04:17 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.

A no for me at that price. We need somebody ideally who can play in any of the front three positions, ie a Salah type.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
£40m for a proven PL striker sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

We desperately need more options up front and Tammy would give us that.  We need to think bigger that Ollie or Tammy, for a strong squad we need both. 
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Post by: algy on April 29, 2021, 11:11:53 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
Think the case for Tammy is that him & Ollie can both play on the wing if needed, so playing one doesn't necessarily exclude the other from the team (though I'd see both as primarily centre forwards).

I'd generally prefer to go down the route of having a front 4 (centre forward, 2 wingers, central attacking midfielder) who are for the most part interchangeable.  For example, a front 4 of Tammy (CF/RW) / Jack (LW/AM) / Ollie (CF/LW) / Bertie (RW/AM) could offer 2 options in every position.  We could also switch between 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 for short periods to match the flow of the game, without needing to make any substitutions.

All that said - £40m seems steep to me for a player they don't really want.  I'd happily go up to about £30m for him, but I'd suspect much higher than that and we could get better value elsewhere.  We need to be buying players who'll be worth £40m in 1-2 years time, not players who cost us that to begin with (unless we expect them to be £100m+ players, which I don't think Tammy is)
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Post by: in exile on April 29, 2021, 11:13:05 AM
I say go get him.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 11:14:25 AM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2021, 11:24:43 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.

A no for me at that price. We need somebody ideally who can play in any of the front three positions, ie a Salah type.

It's a no from me too. I have doubts about whether he finishes a high enough % of his chances plus we still have Wesley. I'd rather see how Wes gets on and maybe sign someone like Giroud on a one year contract as a back-up striker / experienced head to have around. Doubt the latter fits our transfer profile though.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Maybe if we were in Europe or had a manager who rotates. The wing and midfield is in more pressing need of guaranteed starters to come in and replace the current incumbents.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2021, 11:57:38 AM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.
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Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
I think Abraham would suit us for a couple of years and then the plan will be to move to bigger and better things.

We don't need to replace Watkins but heaven forbid he were to get injured......
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Personally I think £40 million sounds like a considerable part of the transfer budget and probably overpriced. However, I balance that with Tammy knowing both the club and the league, as well as having a good relationship with our main attacking threat in Jack. In an ideal world, you'd sign someone from Ligue 2 for fifty grand who doesn't know the meaning of the word sitter, but our dealings with Samatta and Wesley show that you can pay anything and still not really be guaranteed goals.

For £40 million, in this transfer market, Abraham is as good as you can get for at least ten or fifteen of your goals a season. My only caveat would be to sort the midfield and the wings first before you bet the farm.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 12:09:55 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

But Dean seems set on the current formation; with no Europe we play about 40-42 games a season (shit run in the FA cup, decent one in the Carabao) with a manager who doesn't overly-rotate. I can't see us having two "name" forwards. Keeping Wesley and Davis in reserve seems more logical if a little uninspiring.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 29, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
I think Abraham would suit us for a couple of years and then the plan will be to move to bigger and better things.

We don't need to replace Watkins but heaven forbid he were to get injured......

Yeah, I'm down with that. At the moment we have two players who we absolutely can't do without... Grealish and Watkins. Abraham would make us more likely to score, and would make us less vulnerable to having a season fall apart if one of the irreplaceables gets injured, as happened this year.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 12:34:24 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2021, 12:51:06 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

They don't both need to start every game.  We need to get away from that type of thinking, we need options.  They could easily play together in a variety of formations, but if we're looking for top 4-6 then we need a squad and players who can be rotated / rested as needed.  Anyhow, I think Ollie could be very good playing from the left in a Mane / Salah type role.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 12:52:24 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

They don't both need to start every game.  We need to get away from that type of thinking, we need options.  They could easily play together in a variety of formations, but if we're looking for top 4-6 then we need a squad and players who can be rotated / rested as needed.  Anyhow, I think Ollie could be very good playing from the left in a Mane / Salah type role.

If we're spending £40m he'd better start every game, as that's money we need to spend on improving the first team.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2021, 12:56:14 PM
Agreed, Paul_e. That's the type of quality we should be looking to bring in. Who was the Norwegian player you were banging on about recently, was there somebody else other than Berge?
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Get him. £40, scores goals at this level. 2 players capable of 15 a season and the right age.
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Post by: JJ-AV on April 29, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.

Abraham said he prefers the wing? Where's that from?
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Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
We need a player that can feed Watkins if Grealish is out, he will get plenty of goals with a good supply. Why get Tammy and play him on a wing we already have three players wingers who are not capable.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
Not that I'm advocating spending money for the sake of it, but I've just been reading a little bit about that Van Der Beek at United, who barely plays and cost £35 million. I suppose my point would be that it doesn't really matter the cost if the player is useful, and judged on those terms £40 million for Abraham is a no-brainer.
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 01:07:06 PM
I really hope Smith starts Davis against Everton, mainly because I want to see how Watkins does playing slightly wider. He's such a good player I don't think it would lessen his attacking ability very much. If that looks like it works, then Tammy might work playing the 9 role with Grealish on one side and Watkins on the other. I still think there'd be better value out there though.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
Agreed, Paul_e. That's the type of quality we should be looking to bring in. Who was the Norwegian player you were banging on about recently, was there somebody else other than Berge?

No that was Berge, most of the Norwegians I talk to reckon Berge, Haaland and Odegaard are a long away ahead of the rest of their squad. A few have high hopes for a kid called Bobb at Man City though. There's a winger at AC Milan as well but most of them don't think he was ready for such a big step up.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 01:16:03 PM
Not that I'm advocating spending money for the sake of it, but I've just been reading a little bit about that Van Der Beek at United, who barely plays and cost £35 million. I suppose my point would be that it doesn't really matter the cost if the player is useful, and judged on those terms £40 million for Abraham is a no-brainer.

That entirely depends on the budget and priorities. Lets go with £100m for the year and the first 2 players we're after are a midfielder and winger (which realistically are just replacing Barkley and Trez in the squad) but we also need cover and left back and potentially centre back. If all of that is true then spending nearly half the budget on a striker would be a bad use of the money and wouldn't have as much impact as buying 2 25-35m player in those 2 priority positions. If it's a striker who players wider and has proven quality doing so then that's different but I just don't see Tammy as that player.
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Post by: CT Villan on April 29, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.
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Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2021, 01:50:16 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.

Would be a lot more than another £5m, they paid nearly £60m for him and he plays when he's fit.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.
Fantastic player, doubt Chelsea would sell, doubt  he would come and the price would nearer 70 mill+
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 01:51:07 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.

Would be a lot more than another £5m, they paid nearly £60m for him and he plays when he's fit.

Agreed, no chance at all they're selling him, one of their best players.
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Post by: CT Villan on April 29, 2021, 02:01:39 PM
I was going by the TransferMarkt.com valuation, but you are right the final price can be much more than their valuation and Chelsea are unlikely to sell.

Still, doesn't stop me from dreaming of a Jack - Ollie - Pulisic front-line which would be a Champ's League -worthy attack.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
Pulisic seems very much one of Tuchel's starters.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
Pulisic seems very much one of Tuchel's starters.

So he should be, he's fucking superb.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:06:18 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2021, 03:09:24 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
Not the German version of Scott Hogan?
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
Not the German version of Scott Hogan?

You make it sound so tempting ...
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
If they still think Havertz is useless (under Tuechel I doubt it) then I'd take him. Genuine talent IMO.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 03:29:01 PM
We'd probably wind-up with Werner and he'd get 6 goals next season.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:36:13 PM
If they still think Havertz is useless (under Tuechel I doubt it) then I'd take him. Genuine talent IMO.

I agree, he's going to be a superb player in a few years, I can't believe Tuchel doesn't know that though.
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Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2021, 03:47:44 PM
We need a player that can feed Watkins if Grealish is out, he will get plenty of goals with a good supply. Why get Tammy and play him on a wing we already have three players wingers who are not capable.
That's why we should be looking at Pereira and / or Buendia. Both would add serious quality to our midfield / wing as well as offering the creativity alongside JG or in his absence.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
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Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2021, 05:19:03 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
Buendia may stay at Norwich, but he may also believe that he stands a better chance of European footie and international recognition with us. He and Martinez can join forces to break into the Argentinian squad.
Re Pereira, did you notice after Sunday's game the discussion going between him, Luiz and Wes: perhaps we can create our own Brazilian enclave in B6.
And we can probably pay both of them more than other alternatives.
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Post by: DrGonzo on April 29, 2021, 05:58:51 PM
49 pages and no rumours?  Just the a circular arguement, sorry discussion?  Back next month!! =D
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Post by: Gareth on April 29, 2021, 06:06:19 PM
At the end of the day none of us have a clue what the board are planning on spending this summer, if they are planning 150m spend then Tammy at 40m is a hell yes for me....if we are planning on spending 50/60m then there are other positions more vital for that spend.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2021, 09:06:59 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.

Also a regular starter from them. Most realistic I think will be Hudson Odoi offered around on season long loan. Feels to me that while Terry remains here we'll be in with a shout of anyone they loan out.

Hudson Odoi seems incredibly hyped but can't say he's looked that amazing so far in his Chelsea career compared to the other attackers they have.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 29, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.

Abraham said he prefers the wing? Where's that from?

I canít find the quote, but I remember it. Iím pretty sure that, rather than saying he preferred it, he said it was his best position. Anyway, Iíd pay it. I think at his age and what heís done already in the game, heís going to be a top player. A certainty to join the Premier League 100 goals club at least.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on April 29, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 11:12:02 PM
Plus the old "He played well against us".
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
But with the added bonus of plenty of others too.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2021, 11:52:58 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
Buendia may stay at Norwich, but he may also believe that he stands a better chance of European footie and international recognition with us. He and Martinez can join forces to break into the Argentinian squad.
Re Pereira, did you notice after Sunday's game the discussion going between him, Luiz and Wes: perhaps we can create our own Brazilian enclave in B6.
And we can probably pay both of them more than other alternatives.


Norwich of course.      Bissouma will leave Brighton but can see him going to a scab team
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Post by: algy on April 30, 2021, 08:18:15 AM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
Yeah, to me him & Berge seem obvious targets. Should be able to pick up both at a reasonable price, I'd think.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2021, 09:42:21 AM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
Yeah, to me him & Berge seem obvious targets. Should be able to pick up both at a reasonable price, I'd think.

According to an Athletic article, Berge has a relegation release clause although no mention of the figure.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 30, 2021, 09:52:21 AM
Berge looks crap to me, don't see the fuss in him....
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Post by: darren woolley on April 30, 2021, 10:01:03 AM
I hope we sign Tammy.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
I hope we sign Tammy.
Me too Darren.  Amazing on a lot of the socials loads of people now seem to think we're too good for him.  Dunno when that happened?
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Post by: sid1964 on April 30, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Canít imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on April 30, 2021, 10:36:59 AM
If he got more chances and scored more goals playing wide, I'm sure he'd come around. I remember hearing we shouldn't sign Martinez because Heaton wouldn't like it. If we're serious about moving forward, we can't worry about signing better defenders and midfielders because Mings and McGinn might get upset.

I think a front three of Abraham Watkins and Grealish would switch and interchange constantly anyway.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 30, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Canít imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?

Don't see the Tammy/Watkins combo working at all. Watkins is much better at leading the line, Tammy much better in the box. But that ship has sailed. Watkins is a better fit for us these days. Need to get better players around Grealish and Watkins next season. Not the likes of Traore, Barks, AEG or Trez
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Canít imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?
They don't both have to play every minute of every game.  It would give us excellent options in a variety of formations and this is the sort of quality we need if we're going to push on.  I agree with Danno, a front three of Watkins, Grealish and Tammy could be awesome.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2021, 12:18:47 PM
I think Berge looks a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2021, 12:36:38 PM
If we have £100m to spend (and lets be honest, we are reliant on the generosity of our owners here) then I think it will add more value, ie improve the team more, if we buy a right winger and solid midfielder. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
If we have £100m to spend (and lets be honest, we are reliant on the generosity of our owners here) then I think it will add more value, ie improve the team more, if we buy a right winger and solid midfielder.

Presuming Jack Grealish stays, then those would be my two priority positions as well.  We just need to upgrade the back up options in a few positions then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 30, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
Assuming we have a reasonable transfer budget, then Tammy is a 'yes' from me.

It has to be a major improvement to have a number of talented strikers/forward players that are capable and comfortable both at interchanging during a match and being disciplined to operate in a given role for several games - especially if they can do that and cover more than one position.

Ollie Watkins has described himself as a 'Number 10', he has been a central striker for us and for Brentford and probably most came to the fore as a wide forward for Brentford.

When previously at the Villa, Tammy said his preferred position was wide left though he was used generally as a central striker and we know Grealish can operate from either wide area (typically from the left) and as a '10'.

Three young (ish) English players where we know the Grealish/Watkins and Grealish/Abraham combinations have worked brilliantly suggests great understanding and chemistry between them. Combining all three could/should increase that even more and would have a massive impact (IMO).

As well as being set up in a front 3 (in a number of permutations), in games when we might enjoy a lot of possession, I would love to see Ollie and Tammy playing as the most advanced strikers with Jack behind them. UTV.
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Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 30, 2021, 02:46:36 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.

Haven't seen much of him but from what I've heard the main concern isn't his ability but rather whether he's a bit injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 30, 2021, 03:15:52 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.

It might be, I won't deny it, but I don't think so, I guess everyone would say that though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 30, 2021, 05:10:39 PM
Berge is a decent player for sure but is he a bit one paced? Perreira is just like the kind of player we would end up signing. See the likes of Sidwell, Nzogbia or even Watkins. Play well against us and we go for you.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Berge is a decent player for sure but is he a bit one paced? Perreira is just like the kind of player we would end up signing. See the likes of Sidwell, Nzogbia or even Watkins. Play well against us and we go for you.
Look at Pereira's stats for this season and last; not shabby.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 30, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Canít imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?

Don't see the Tammy/Watkins combo working at all. Watkins is much better at leading the line, Tammy much better in the box. But that ship has sailed. Watkins is a better fit for us these days. Need to get better players around Grealish and Watkins next season. Not the likes of Traore, Barks, AEG or Trez

I think it could work very well.
Both can play across the line, so it would be a fluid front line.
Add Jack to the equation and it actually looks pretty awesome.
I would be pretty excited at that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on April 30, 2021, 06:21:06 PM
I can't see us signing Tammy whilst we have Watkins, Wesley, Davis and the youngster breaking through

also can't see us persevering with Davis for so long to move him on now
we would take a big loss on Wesley purely because of his injury so can't see him going anywhere either
so for me no space for Tammy

Spend the money on the midfield and a decent wide player is what I would be recommending to the board forthwith

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 30, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on April 30, 2021, 07:24:19 PM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

Be still my beating heart. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2021, 07:35:19 PM
I'd be well happy if we signed McNeill, they'd want too much though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 30, 2021, 08:08:31 PM
Do we have a war chest? Are Burnley bracing themselves?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2021, 08:09:56 AM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

I reckon that in an alternate universe where Lerner and O'Neill are in charge now, McNeil is who we would be throwing the whole transfer budget at.

Edit - in fact it would obviously be a £90m double "swoop" for McNeil and Chris Wood.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on May 01, 2021, 08:24:10 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 01, 2021, 09:19:10 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.
I'm starting to think that's actually what we need now. I had a bit of that when we signed Barkley on loan (obvs that hasn't gone to plan), but having Grealish & AN Other as really big statement players, plus having less spectacular but still highly rated players (Martinez, Konsa, Mings, Watkins) would make us a really attractive proposition.

I'm not against picking the better players out from relegated clubs at all, but I'd expand that to anyone who finishes below 5th/6th place now, plus as you'd said a player a bit like when we signed Martinez from Arsenal - a player who's rated at a club several rungs above us on the ladder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 01, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

Be still my beating heart.

Well, I would be very happy with Dwight McNeill, he is a very good player IMO
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JJ-AV on May 01, 2021, 09:34:59 AM
We need two forwards, a winger and one of a winger/number 10/striker dependant on where we see Jack playing.

Personally I'd prefer a striker and to use Watkins as predominantly as a wide-man. I think that'd give us balance and Watkins' work-rate would be effective on the wings and he's great at cutting in from wide and shooting.

If we can get Tammy I would, he has a great relationship with Jack.

Buendia/Perreira are both interesting, hard-working players and both could do a Jack-tribute act if Jack was out.

If we're very ambitious then Raphina from Leeds too. Would be big money but I'm sure they'd sell if it was financially right.

Perreira - Jack - Watkins
Abraham

With Wesley, Traore, Anwar and Davis in reserve seems strong enough for me.

Two starting CFs would allow us to go 3-5-2 too.

The midfield needs work, I'm not sure Luiz and McGinn complement each other in a two. Berg is interesting too, and again improves us at set pieces defensively and offensively.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2021, 09:52:08 AM
I'd be well happy if we signed McNeill, they'd want too much though.
the way I look at is with players like McNeill and Wood is they would improve the squad.... so they'd be useful, but I wouldn't want to pay what Burnley would ask for them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 11:07:53 AM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.


The price is the important thing though, looking around I've seen it range from £30m (which is about the most I'd go for) right up to £50-60m which is clearly taking the piss so it's a no for me on the grounds of him being too expensive and playing in the same position as our best player when we'd get much more value buying a right sided player instead.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 01, 2021, 11:15:56 AM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 01, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on May 01, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.

Agreed. We know what weíre getting and we know heíll score goals at this level (Chelseaís top scorer).

Everyone talks about ďmatching Jackís ambitionĒ to make him stay. Well, this is the type of signing for me. We canít go into another season relying on Ollie and a backup who isnít the high standard we require to try and hit the top six. If Ollie gets injured, weíre knackered.

Ideally, Iíd like to get him a little cheaper, but English goalscoring forwards wonít be cheap.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Through gritted teeth, I agree with cd.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on May 01, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.

"How the fuck did they get him?" signing.  Aguerro anyone?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 01, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
Not my money. Abraham costs what he costs. I had my doubts about whether he'd step up after what he'd done with us previously, but those have been allayed. I think he'd be a good signing that'd push us on further.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2021, 12:03:06 PM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.

Tammy scores most of his goals from inside the penalty area and Ollie likes to drop deep and wide so the combination of their two differing styles would work really well together in my opinion. Also, as a back up Christian Benteke is out of contract at Palace at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Except Marcelo. Somehow he'll still be in the Real Madrid team in 2031.
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Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
I wouldn't want to move Jack from the left. I think he's found his best position there.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Interesting looking back at summer 2010.

We lost Milner and signed Stephen Ireland. A week later Spurs signed Rafael Van Der Vaart. From finishing above them in two out of the three previous seasons and 09/10 being pretty neck and neck up to the last 3 games they just crusied past us and only now a decade later does it feel like they're not that far ahead of us now and will surely be weaker in next 2-3 seasons if Kane moves on and they struggle to get in a decent manager.

I have no issue with our recruitment last summer as all the signings were a big success. However it's still only got us to 11th in the league. We saw 10 years back it's much harder to move up from 6th to 4th than say 11th to 8th which we'll hopefully do in next two seasons so we will simply have to attract a better quality.

Interesting which was the last team to finish top 6 with largely squad of lower league players and hardly anyone who's played CL football. People talk about Leicester but likes of Johnny Evans, Periera, Tielemans and Castagne all played in the competition or international regulars before signing so guess their 2016 title winning team was last one.

We need to find a couple of Martinez types for outfield positions I think. Players at good standard clubs who've come in and looked good but can't quite get a regular game so motivated to move on and start 30 + games somewhere, there are plenty out there if you look enough (and increasingly in the modern game have connections).

Van Der Vaart all those years ago was classic case given he wasn't starting at Real Madrid. We tried to get Snejider from Real Madrid around that time, went to Inter Milan and was one of best players in world football in 2009-10. Falcao another from around that period.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
I do wonder how serious those links to Sneijder and Falcao were. Even if they were interested and we had the money, O'Neill was probably dreaming of Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll or similar. He just didn't do non-UK based players and preferred wing-play over central, flair players.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2021, 01:38:48 PM
If we're very ambitious then Raphina from Leeds too. Would be big money but I'm sure they'd sell if it was financially right.

Leeds would probably want £80m for him. The Plastics and Liverpool are rumoured to be interested in him. He only cost them £17m but was originally priced at £34m but a fire sale at Rennes allowed them to get him half price. A great bit of business. I imagine there will be quite a few COVID fire sales across Europe this summer where cash is will be king.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:39:42 PM
Think Falcao was just agent talk yeah. Loads of South Americans go to Portugal to start off in europe and his goal spree for Porto got him move to Atletico Madrid so worked out nicely for him. Pretty sure we were also linked to Cavani at that time when he was at Palermo.

Snejider IIRC was a little bit different. Pretty sure there were rumours and MON was asked at a press conference and he gave a vague answer of interest not being reciprocated so seems we enquired in I assume summer 2009 and he didn't want to know. We signed Downing that summer.

Edit. Here we are;

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/5477568/oneill-confirms-sneijder-liking
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Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 01:40:02 PM
O'Neill didn't even know who Falcao was, that's how strong the link was.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
O'Neill was probably dreaming of Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll or similar.

I was one of the last defenders of O'Neill and, like with much else, I was wrong. And this really does sum him up.
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Post by: LeeB on May 01, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Except Marcelo. Somehow he'll still be in the Real Madrid team in 2031.

A few mates of mine were on a random trip to Madrid a few years back and Mareclo came in the bar they were drinking in. He spent the night in there laughing and drinking with them, they had loads of photos, said he was an absolute diamond of a bloke.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:54:26 PM
He wanted Aidan McGeady and Scott Parker in that final summer so yeah not far off the mentions above!

It was disappointing narrow thinking from him as we signed John Carew within six months of him coming in and that sort of signing was exactly what we needed at the time, internationally known player who'd show people we wanted to improve our standing and he played his part in us moving from mid table to 6th in about 18 months.

We need Carew type signing at some point in next year.

That was it. Did we even sign another player from abroad under O'Neill? Petrov, Cuellar and Habib Beye were all british based when we signed them.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2021, 02:20:45 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.

I'm sure he would be capable of playing like Traore as an inverted winger on the right. So right, left or at 10
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 02:28:32 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.

I'm sure he would be capable of playing like Traore as an inverted winger on the right. So right, left or at 10

I don't disagree but if we're paying £40m odd for a player I prefer him to have at least some experience at playing the main role we're looking for him to fill.
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Post by: Monty on May 01, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.

I was talking about McNeil this tims but it applies equally to both.
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Post by: Monty on May 01, 2021, 02:35:41 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.

I was talking about McNeil this tims but it applies equally to both.

Ah shit, I just saw the 40m thing and assumed like a dumbass. But we agree anyway so no harm done!
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Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 02:48:51 PM

That was it. Did we even sign another player from abroad under O'Neill? Petrov, Cuellar and Habib Beye were all british based when we signed them.

How could you forget the wonderful Sally Salifou?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2021, 03:37:59 PM
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It was disappointing narrow thinking from him as we signed John Carew within six months of him coming in and that sort of signing was exactly what we needed at the time, internationally known player who'd show people we wanted to improve our standing and he played his part in us moving from mid table to 6th in about 18 months.


From memory, think it was Houllier -then manager of PSG- who contacted us about Baros that set the wheels in motion on that one. O'Neill possibly thought he was just getting a big unit who could head the ball in return.

Houllier's considerable nose was put out of joint when Baros signed for Villa in 2005.  "I can't believe he would opt for a mid-table team like Aston Villa over us" was his reaction at the time. Which was an early indication of the affection he held us in.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
I think it was Lyon, not PSG. But the rest is spot on.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
Didn't know that, thought MON might've wanted Carew when he was at Celtic.

He actually signed Juninho when he was there and Juninho hated it so no guarentee any flair player would've worked under him in the rigid 4-4-2:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/juninho-still-questions-martin-oneills-decision-sign-him-celtic-558805

Think it would've panned out the same if we'd signed him under Gregory in 1999.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
Didn't know that, thought MON might've wanted Carew when he was at Celtic.

He actually signed Juninho when he was there and Juninho hated it so no guarentee any flair player would've worked under him in the rigid 4-4-2:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/juninho-still-questions-martin-oneills-decision-sign-him-celtic-558805

Think it would've panned out the same if we'd signed him under Gregory in 1999.



Pretty sure he played 3-5-2 for most of his time at Celtic.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Leicester are reported to be closing in on a £15m deal for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard. I'd hope we're also considering an offer as he's a quality player who can play deep, wide or down the middle. Apparently he's already turned down Liverpool as he doesn't see how he'd fit in and wants to be playing every week.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2021, 06:33:48 PM
Leicester will very likely be offering CL football. Amazing what they have done since winning the league. As if winning the damn thing wasnít stunning enough. Theyíve really built well there now with a top manager too. They may well be a perennial top six side for a good while yet. Certainly at the expense of the likes of Arsenal and Spurs.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 06:38:18 PM
He obviously knows the manager too.
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Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 01, 2021, 07:33:46 PM
I have a feeling Tammy will end up at Arsenal anyway for some reason.  He supports them as well.
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Post by: danno on May 01, 2021, 07:46:35 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.
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Post by: Gareth on May 02, 2021, 07:47:42 AM
Tammy + 2 of Pereira, Buendia & McNeil would be a class start to the summer :-) then we can settle in to see who Lange sources for the other needs
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Post by: andyh on May 02, 2021, 07:50:52 AM
I suspect Tuanzebe will be on the radar?
A decent squad player and replacement for Engles who surely must be in his way out.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2021, 01:48:19 PM
Tuanzebe has the structural resilience of  custard. Time to move on from him.
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Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2021, 01:49:07 PM
Tuanzebe has the structural resilience of  custard. Time to move on from him.

Blancmange Ron Vlaar II
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
The people who signed Tammy and Tuanzebe are long gone. I think we ought to move on too.
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Post by: algy on May 02, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Said at the time, Tuanzebe needed to move to us in our first PL season. He'd have been a popular first team player who'd be getting games week in, week out which is imo what he needed. Instead he's had a bit of a nothing career at Manc Utd, not played enough, and now we've outgrown him. We're no longer in a position where we need to gamble on players with limited top level experience and dubious injury records.
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Post by: OCD on May 02, 2021, 02:35:53 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2021, 02:50:53 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.
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Post by: frank black on May 02, 2021, 03:14:40 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.

The key to it for Leicester is that they donít sell a player unless they believe they have a replacement in the squad. Rarely having to find a replacement. Soyunchu came off the bench to replace Maguire. Plus a smattering of inspired signings. We need to be replacing players before we sell and that includes Jack. Perhaps we see a couple of our younger players stepping up within the next couple of seasons.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.

Agree.  Think the keeper and back four have done well this season and will hopefully continue that in to next season, so not sure we need a massive amount of investment in that area. 

Heaton might want first team football, but Steer will be fine as a back-up option.  I would bring Guilbert back and have a look at him with Kesler as the third option at right back.   We need a better option than Taylor to push Targett at left-back, with Hause as a potential third option. 

On the subject of Hause, he has done well when called upon this season, so think he is fine to cover Mings.  The big question for me is around Engels and what will happen with him.  I would personally look to give him another chance as a back up to Konsa, but I can see him going. 
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Post by: OCD on May 02, 2021, 03:26:56 PM
Could one of the Revan brothers or Mungo Bridge step-up to be understudies next season?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 02, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.
The alternative could be Cash at RB and Kesler who loves attacking even more as the RM.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.

Cash was a right side attacking midfielder at Forest and was generally crap, at best average. The move to right back was a godsend and we now have one of the best right backs in the league. Remember, this is only his second season playing in the position, hopefully there's still more to come from him but let's not mess about with things that aren't broken.

Whether Guilbert could play in front of him is another matter. He certainly seems to play/played a more advanced role in France.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2021, 04:27:45 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.

I think we'll do that with the full back positions. No point spending 15m on a LB when unless Targett starts next season really badly he's going to be starting 30 + games and he fully deserves to given how good he's been.

Perhaps more for RB as Cash picks up plenty of yellows and had that 3-4 week spell out injured so bit more opportunity there outside of cups to start.

One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Probably other should be a CB who can also fill in at full back when required. That's why I wouldn'r rule us going back in for Axel. He can fill in at RB when required to get him up to speed so he's ready to step in at CB if we lose either of the first choices for any significant length of time.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
provding he's fit, which is seldom the case.
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Post by: Dave on May 02, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Is that still looking likely? I thought he was out of the team there and they didn't really like him anymore.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2021, 05:27:44 PM
One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Is that still looking likely? I thought he was out of the team there and they didn't really like him anymore.

Think he's just being rested for the play offs as he picked up an injury with ROI.

Guess it's the same there as here, his stats look good even if his general performances haven't been amazing.
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Post by: charlatan on May 03, 2021, 03:46:06 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.

More nitpicking, but I think Maguire and Evans played together for a season at Leicester. Maguire was effectively replaced in the team by Soyuncu who signed a year before he left but only played six league games in his first season despite costing the best part of £20m, so as Black Francis said they already had their replacement.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2021, 06:22:39 PM
Leicester have been quite canny signing young players ahead of their due date.  Ironically they missed out on Ollie Watkins who would be a perfect replacement for Vardy.
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Post by: Des Little on May 03, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
I liked the look of Diangana at Olbiun earlier in the season. Has he been out injured for ages, or gone shit? Havenít heard anything of him for a while.
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Post by: Daleyís dreads on May 03, 2021, 07:27:18 PM
Been rubbish by all accounts.
Townsend has done better for Albion than people thought he would do. Might be worth considering as back up to Targett.
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Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2021, 01:31:53 AM
Never mind.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2021, 07:22:37 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Albion V Wolves yesterday - cannot see what all the fuss is over Pererra?? he is not what we need, seemed to me we would have to change our formation to get him in the team

Tammy for £45 million that would be madness.
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Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2021, 09:01:29 AM
Pereira had a very poor second half yesterday. I think - with better players around him and a team playing on the front foot - he would be far better than he has been this season; and his assist and scoring stats are good.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 04, 2021, 09:27:26 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Albion V Wolves yesterday - cannot see what all the fuss is over Pererra?? he is not what we need, seemed to me we would have to change our formation to get him in the team

Tammy for £45 million that would be madness.

It's £12 million more than we paid for Ollie Watkins who had never played in the top flight. That's about the going rate, now.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 04, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
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Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2021, 11:22:31 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Things you've heard, read or desire? :-)
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2021, 11:26:48 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Iím not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.
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Post by: Risso on May 04, 2021, 11:31:39 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Iím not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.

Me either, but then I thought the same about Lingard, so who knows?!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2021, 11:32:51 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Iím not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.

Me either.

Actually Iím quite fond of you.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2021, 12:36:48 PM
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Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Not really sure where Oxlade-Chamberlain would fit into our system, but agree with the positions if not the players above.  If Engels goes then we will need CB cover, a LB to challenge Targett, a proper defensive midfielder, a right sided attacker, a back up striker and possibly a number 10 if Barkley goes back and Jack Grealish is going to stay and play wide. 

Not sure a 10 is a big priority as McGinn and Sanson can play in that more advanced role, but a defensive midfielder and right sided attacker would be the two starters we need.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2021, 12:47:56 PM
Wonder if West Ham might consider cashing in on Bowen as getting into europe they'll be certain to sign a new striker + Lingard and also have Antonio so he could be surplus to requirements (been on the bench plenty lately).

Actually the sort we need, can play at CF as required but much more of a regular out wide since he joined them.

Only 24 and got 8 goals for them this season so feels he can kick on a bit more.
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Post by: Risso on May 04, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
Wonder if West Ham might consider cashing in on Bowen as getting into europe they'll be certain to sign a new striker + Lingard and also have Antonio so he could be surplus to requirements (been on the bench plenty lately).

Actually the sort we need, can play at CF as required but much more of a regular out wide since he joined them.

Only 24 and got 8 goals for them this season so feels he can kick on a bit more.

Could be an option. Even if they do make the top 4 I still think they'll need the money.
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Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2021, 03:25:31 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Axel - too many injuries
Henry - meh, he's ok but would anyone link him if he wasn't a former Smith player?
Oxlade-Chamberlain - I'd take him
Berge - Yep, good signing
Tammy - for about £25m yes, more than that I think he'd be overpriced
Buendia - not sure, haven't watched him at all this season

Not a terrible list but that's probably £160-170m of players and I think only 2 would be regular starters for us within 6months.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:26:28 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 04, 2021, 03:28:40 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:35:25 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
There's also history of reportedly going for Benrahma over a good few transfer windows.

And yes Watkins does look like good business now, but equally it was also by some distance the highest fee ever paid for a Championship player and it was certainly a gamble.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 04, 2021, 03:39:18 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
There's also history of reportedly going for Benrahma over a good few transfer windows.

And yes Watkins does look like good business now, but equally it was also by some distance the highest fee ever paid for a Championship player and it was certainly a gamble.

Well done us, then. Getting what's proved to be a bargain and not signing his mate is hardly being ripped off.
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Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
I'm not sure Watkins was a gamble at all. There's a big difference between us signing him from the Championship and when we spent all that cash on McCormack and Hogan. This time it was clear the trajectory Watkins was on. I'm only surprised he did as well as he has so quickly.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:59:14 PM
I'm not complaining about Watkins.  All I'm saying is Brentford have a particular history of seeking their pound of flesh as the extended Maupay, Benrahma and Watkins negotiations proved.

I was merely speculating we may not want to go into bat with them again for a backup leftback.
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Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2021, 04:05:12 PM
I'm not complaining about Watkins.  All I'm saying is Brentford have a particular history of seeking their pound of flesh as the extended Maupay, Benrahma and Watkins negotiations proved.

I was merely speculating we may not want to go into bat with them again for a backup leftback.

They robbed Brighton blind because Maupay is absolutely gash.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2021, 04:08:08 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
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Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2021, 04:39:25 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.

I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2021, 04:41:45 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.

I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.

Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner

Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
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Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2021, 05:14:43 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner
Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
Damn, that's Kesler-Hayden and Philogene-Bidace done for!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2021, 08:17:57 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
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Post by: rougegorge on May 04, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
On that basis, it would be Jonathan David (forward) and Sven Botman (defender); both are just 21 and very promising.

David cost them Ä30m and is a good prospect, and his value has gone up a lot.

Also, Yusuf Yazici has helped himself to s couple of hat tricks in the Europa League, including one away to AC Milan.
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Post by: rougegorge on May 04, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner
Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
Damn, that's Kesler-Hayden and Philogene-Bidace done for!
It will soon be time that we reached quadruple-barrelled names.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

I think he would be an ideal signing to be honest.  Probably wouldnít arrive expecting to start, but certainly good enough to challenge for the spot. 
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Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
On that basis, it would be Jonathan David (forward) and Sven Botman (defender); both are just 21 and very promising.

David cost them Ä30m and is a good prospect, and his value has gone up a lot.

Also, Yusuf Yazici has helped himself to s couple of hat tricks in the Europa League, including one away to AC Milan.

Bamba is probably the player most suited to where we are right now. The problem though is that their 3 best players are all in their 30s (in my opinion) and the team is built around those 3.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 04, 2021, 10:39:47 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

No thanks.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 07:05:42 AM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

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Post by: Ads on May 05, 2021, 07:21:34 AM
No.
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Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2021, 07:41:59 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.
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Post by: algy on May 05, 2021, 08:05:36 AM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
Yeah - I'd be looking at the continent (France in particular) this summer - the impact of COVID may well mean some clubs have to sell players a bit more readily than they would've otherwise done, and we're one of a very small number of clubs in a position to capitalise on that.  It's a buyer's market - I don't expect to see us paying £25m+ fees unless it's for full on Champions League knockout rounds standard players (ones that'd normally cost at least double that)
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Post by: frank black on May 05, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on. Apparently sources close to the player have leaked that heís not happy as Villa have not done what they promised, whatever that is. The reason he made the bench is because the club are aware of his feelings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2021, 08:38:22 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on. Apparently sources close to the player have leaked that heís not happy as Villa have not done what they promised, whatever that is. The reason he made the bench is because the club are aware of his feelings

I'd file that under bollocks personally.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 08:46:09 AM
No doubt we will throw a load of money at Chukwuemeka, by giving him a new 4 year contract and then he will never kick a ball for the first team and leave us on a free transfer in 4 years time.

Because we are not prepared to trust in our own youth and give them a proper chance in the first team to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 05, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
That Jacob Ramsey never gets a look in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 10:14:42 AM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.

Agreed.

With age comes wisdom, but sometimes age comes alone and people are instead just left with the ability to spout bollocks about our best young prospects.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on.

Bayern interested now according to the Beeb's need to fill the gossip page. Let me check with Aftab first to see if we will/should sell him to Munich.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 05, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
This is the lad who recently signed a new contract? Must have been in a closed room at gun point.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 05, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
I wonder how tabloid football journalists, whose livelihoods depend on breaking stories that people will want to read, find the time to find out whether a 17-year-old who's never made a first team appearance for a mid-table club is desired by the reserve team of a Champions League club. It's almost like it's all total bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2021, 11:30:19 AM
Any youth prospect should heed the warning of that promising kid we had who thought leaving us for Arsenal would be the making of him. The last I heard of him he was signing for Blues.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 11:31:59 AM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: in exile on May 05, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
When does the summer transfer window open?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.

That's big of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?

Also whatever our view is I canít see a scenario where Sterling would be prepared to come to us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?

Also whatever our view is I canít see a scenario where Sterling would be prepared to come to us.

I saw a rumour that was the other way around. City preparing to sell Sterling to fund Jack and Haaland!.

It's likely all just bollocks. Making up copy to keep them in jobs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2021, 01:01:25 PM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.

Then there's that seventeen year old who's been on the bench for a couple of league games. Chukwuemeka his name is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on May 05, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.

WTF was he doing in Roscommon?  Checking on the archaeological dig on Main Street?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 01:33:27 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.

WTF was he doing in Roscommon?  Checking on the archaeological dig on Main Street?

Nah, in Strokestown checking out the widest streets in Europe. O'Connell Street next or O'Connell StraŖe as Carney likes to call it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 05, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Things you've heard, read or desire? :-)

All 3
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?

The source for that website appears to be located at the rear of a large male bovine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on May 05, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 05, 2021, 02:26:39 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?
HP!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.

He said it, he said the word, Stone Him!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.

Does that mean AEG is still going to be sold then?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2021, 02:43:09 PM
If Man City were prepared to sell Sterling, our owners could pay for him from their spare change drawer. I don't think Man City would sell though, and I don't think he'd come to a non Champions League team anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 02:46:31 PM
If Man City were prepared to sell Sterling, our owners could pay for him from their spare change drawer. I don't think Man City would sell though, and I don't think he'd come to a non Champions League team anyway.

PSG were shit last night, maybe try Neymar instead. Throw in experienced internationals Elmo and Neil Taylor as sweeteners.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2021, 02:49:00 PM
Elmo and Tayls in Paris. An unexpected Channel-5 Bafta nominated docudrama. We'd all watch it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2021, 04:50:15 PM
I think Elmo should stay forever! Can't imagine him playing fur someone else
He's best suited here to be part of squad and bench.
Just keep him around for his experience , professionalism and to help Trez in his recovery.
Eventually a coaching role should be given to Elmo
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 04:56:34 PM
I think Elmo should stay forever! Can't imagine him playing fur someone else
He's best suited here to be part of squad and bench.
Just keep him around for his experience , professionalism and to help Trez in his recovery.
Eventually a coaching role should be given to Elmo
 

He might be the worst coach ever though, getting the bibs mixed up, put the cones down in wonky lines, we just don't know.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on May 05, 2021, 05:26:18 PM
Obligatory discussion of the 25 squad declarations allowed  for next season and movements this transfer window Ö

20/21 end of the season squad;

GK; Heaton, Steer, Martinez, Kalinic (on loan)

CB; Engels, Konsa, Mings, Hause

RB: Elmo, Guilbert (on loan), Cash

LB; Taylor, Targett

DM; Luiz, Nakamba

CM; McGinn, Sanson

AM; Grealish, Barkley (loanee), Ramsey, Hourihane (on loan)

Wingers; Trez, El Ghazi, Traore

Strikers; Wesley, Samatta (on loan), Davis, Vassilev (on loan), Watkins

Keepers; 4  Defenders; 9  Midfielders; 8  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 5

Total; 29 (25 need to be declared) (5 on loan, 1 loaned).


Promotions from junior squad;
(as squad member not Ďgetting a few gamesí); Kesler?

Additions this window;                            Reductions this window;         
Vassilev Ė returned after loan         Barkley Ė returned after loan
Guilbert Ė returned after loan         Samatta Ė £7m sale
Hourihane Ė returned after loan      Kalinic -  (sold or cancelled)

now 28/29 (25 need to be declared) in squad.

This is all planned/predictable from what we know at the moment. So what are the recruitment team and Dean working on?

GK; Selling Tom Heaton if there is a market for him? Why not, we have cover for Martinez in place with Steer and can promote from the U23 (Sinisalo and Onodi are both 20 years old so will either need to be loaned or used). Result? -1, some money income and some wages saved.

CB; Only rumour or need is to move Engels on. No-one obvious to move up from junior squads at the moment to replace this position so recruitment needed. Hence stories appearing about Tuanzebe.  Iím not convinced that a no-longer-young, injury-prone centre half is what our stated recruitment policy is all about so I hope Lange has a name in the frame for this. Result? 1 in 1 out, transfer money spent.

RB: Time to let Elmo move on. Great servant but not worth a one-year contract as cover because we already have Guilbert onboard AND the possibility of moving Kesler up if we need. Use Fred who can cover in the centre as well. Result? -1, some wages saved.

LB; Time to let Taylor get on with his coaching career. If we are not to use Hause more often weíll need to recruit here. Best options? Jordan Amavi (out of contract in the Summer) or anyone the scouting team rates. Result? 1 in 1 out, spending on transfer fee, no wage savings.

DM; Presuming we keep Luiz then no further movement needed here IMO. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings.

CM; I like both encumbents here so no further movement needed IMO. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings.

AM; Presuming Jack is staying he has to play here. Barkley can be returned to Lahnduhn, we donít need to spend that kind of money. Ramsey can develop with more games, Sanson can step in if needed sometimes and we wait for Barrie and Chukwuemeka to mature. Hourihane needs to be away so sell. Result? -2, some saving on wages, small transfer income.

Wingers; If they all want to stay then I see no need to move any on. I think Traore and El Ghazi are fine and will be better next season. Iíd add Rashica if heís available but no biggie if not. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings unless Rashica is bought.

Strikers; What do we do with the returning Vassilev? Another loan period sends a bad message to him; does anyone know what the managementsí view of him is at the moment? He might be a useful backup but if not, we need a proven top-flight goalscorer here. The returning Wesley, Davis and Watkins are not enough of a strike force for a full season pushing for top half. Iíd be happy with Tammy even at £30+m, certainly not the £40m that Chelski want. Result? +1, spending on transfer and wages.

Net Result? -3, transfer fees of up to £40m spent, 3 or 4 wages saved. Leaving 25/26 in the squad. Someone gets loaned out and we are fine for next season.

Sale or loan out options to get to 25;  would need 1 from the list below;

Vassilev, Davis, Ramsey.

Leaving us with; Keepers; 3  Defenders; 8  Midfielders; 6  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 5

Total; 25

Summary;

Money spent; NET only £40m and probably saving 3 or 4 wages. Leaves plenty for youth squad development and possibly some groundworks. Challenge for European places if we build in experience and game management from the second half of this year; if we play like we did in the first half weíll challenge hard for European places.

Iíd call this the Ďleast-costí path but Lange and Smith may be aiming for more; what would that look like?

1. Beef-up the midfield.
The issue is that we have looked underpowered sometimes. With any injuries at all we look sparse on the bench in this area as well so upgrades might be seen as a priority. However this is why Sanson was bought, isnít it? The problem is that anyone we want and manage to get in this Summer, while being an upgrade over what we have now (I presume or why do it?), would mean we have to move someone out to hit our squad number limit. So if we do go for the Blades midfielder do we get rid of Nakamba? Or does it slam the door for a year or so on any opportunities for the youth to get games?

2. Competition/Cover at left and right back.
We all know that our 2 wide backs have ageing cover on the bench with both Taylor and Elmo coming up for contract renewal or release. So something needs to be done now. Both first-choice backs in Cash and Targett are young enough to be there for a few years and provide a bridge to youth players making it up to the first team so presumably we donít want replacements for them just good cover. But in Fred Guilbert and Hause we have that cover and Iíd prefer they got more games than they had this year unless we can sign Amavi and treat Targett as the cover player.

3. Replacing Jack if he decides to go elsewhere.
I know, I know ĎIt wonít happení but what if his mind changes? We would need not only a replacement for his creativity but also a statement signing to shore-up the ambition to fight for European places. Because that IS the target next season, no doubt about it.

I donít think Buendia does the job. He might grow into the role but it would not be immediate and the target is NOW to be competitive. I also donít think Barrie or Chuk are ready for that leap up yet either. Even further off than Buendia. So weíd need to buy a startling player and there arenít many of those around and they would cost all the money we get for Jack. The players who could be that marquee signing already play for big clubs with European football so wouldnít want to Ďdrop downí to us who donít.

Or am I missing someone?

With all the losses this last 18 months have seen caused by Covid and the lack of crowds at Villa Park I wouldnít be surprised if we donít splash-out £100m again because for less than half of that we could be a serious challenger for Europe nest season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 05, 2021, 06:47:57 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.

That's big of him.

Iím pretty sure Dean has also decided not to make Jack and Chuk available for transfer and yet the same source hasnít taken a blind bit of notice.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
Obligatory discussion of the 25 squad declarations allowed  for next season and movements this transfer window Ö

... With all the losses this last 18 months have seen caused by Covid and the lack of crowds at Villa Park I wouldnít be surprised if we donít splash-out £100m again because for less than half of that we could be a serious challenger for Europe nest season.
Thanks for your input here, Allan.
If you're including loanees, then I'd suggest Archer and Dom Revan maybe should be included since Vassilev has been.
I disagree with your basic assumption here (you're not an accountant by any chance, are you??  ;D ): I suspect that Wes and Nas will see this - a time where clubs have struggled financially and where FFP will take a back seat for a while - as exactly the right time for big investment in new talent, to shift the first XI and the squad from mid-table to top 6 quality.
So, my assumption would be that the management will 'up' the quality in key parts of the pitch - viz, quality cover for JG (Buendia and / or Pereira and / someone else of that ilk); definitely more horsepower in the central / holding MF role; and probably another class striker.
Could be £120m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 05, 2021, 07:22:23 PM
This is the lad who recently signed a new contract? Must have been in a closed room at gun point.

This.

There seem to be a few assuming the worst about this player based on some internet rumours which he has no control of, despite the fact that he has, literally, signed the longest possible contract that a player of his age is legally allowed to sign.

He looks really great, that's a good reason to be happy as far as I'm concerned. Why the desperate rush to panic among some fans? I'm sure some refuse to celebrate a goal in case the goalscorer requests a transfer in his post-match interview.



(Whereas, as we all know, the correct reason for not celebrating a goal is because you're waiting for it to be disallowed by VAR)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on May 05, 2021, 07:50:18 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m
[snip]
That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

I think we're very similar here. I don't think they'd be happy with Kesler as backup to Cash as he's not got enough defensive strength for the PL. I'd forgotten Ramsey (and of course Chuk, Barrie and any of the other academy players) would not need to be declared in the 25; thanks for that reminder. That leaves it open for a recruitment without a sale. Can't believe you don't think we need Tammy or another similar calibre striker! Is that right? :)

That extra place might mean we can buy Berge or Buendia without causing a squad declaration problem.

Mister E; I appreciate the thought about upgrading but it means 2, 3 or 4 of the current squad IN ADDITION to the ones both I and paul e mentioned going would have to be sold; which ones?

I'd love it but we'll see :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 05, 2021, 08:02:18 PM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on May 05, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
Sign Axel for the song alone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 05, 2021, 08:11:48 PM
Oh good, this twat of a commentator is going to spend the next 90 minutes saying "Benzymarr" over and over again.

*Whoops wrong thread*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 06, 2021, 12:13:05 AM
Think everything is highly dependent on what happens with Jack Grealish, but should he stay, I think we are a quality defensive midfielder and right sided attacker away from being a side capable of cementing a place in the top ten of the division next season. 

We will need to add some strength in depth in certain positions and would hope that the likes of Cash, Konsa, Targett and Watkins push on again from the good seasons they have had so far.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT Villan on May 06, 2021, 02:12:35 AM
What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

Was thinking the very same...for a CB he's terrible in the air and is so injury-prone they'd probably have to reserve a treatment table for him at BMH.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on May 06, 2021, 07:15:52 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

Heís become a big of a cult hero hasnít he? He had some good spells and was superb come the end, but Iíd worry too much about his injury record. Heís not had the best of time either has he since.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2021, 07:27:15 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

I thought he was a decent enough player with a lot of potential but yeah, his injury record is a concern.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2021, 09:29:39 AM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.

I'm not sure why we'd loan out Wes unless we've decided to sell him and just want to increase his value before moving him on next year. Loan him out this season and we'd have to buy a replacement which would mean there's no space for him to come back to.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bryan on May 06, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
I'm torn between us spending a lot on a couple of players, or building a stronger squad without any superstar signings.

I think CM is most important, and I would of said someone to replace Barkley and be creative/chip in goals but watching Kante last night, I can see the logic of a dynamic DM.

I would also like a version of Jack to play on the right, but I doubt thats out there.

So I would say

Reserve RB in Guilibert doesn't want to stay
Competition/reserve LB
Reserve CB to replace Engles

Big money DM or Big Money AM

Someone to compete with Traore on the Right Wing or be first choice Left Wing if we move Grealish inside

Still looking at about £80 - 100m I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on May 06, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
The one thing that Dean etc may be considering is if he brings in a top quality player aged 22 - 25 years then he is potentially blocking the pathway for those players in the youth set up who will, hopefully, be knocking on the door in a couple of years. He might consider an older player who is cheap and have a 2 year contract to fill the bill for now and not blow the outgoings sky high.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
The one thing that Dean etc may be considering is if he brings in a top quality player aged 22 - 25 years then he is potentially blocking the pathway for those players in the youth set up who will, hopefully, be knocking on the door in a couple of years. He might consider an older player who is cheap and have a 2 year contract to fill the bill for now and not blow the outgoings sky high.

The flipside to that is bringing in someone in that age range means they don't lose value to be sold on in a few years when the kids are ready. If we sign 28-30 year olds with the idea that as they come to the end of their career a natural replacement is coming through is a lot riskier and more expensive in the long run.  That said I would be fine with 1-2 players in that age range if they're a perfect fit for what we want right now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2021, 01:24:42 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.

I'm not sure why we'd loan out Wes unless we've decided to sell him and just want to increase his value before moving him on next year. Loan him out this season and we'd have to buy a replacement which would mean there's no space for him to come back to.

I think we will be trying to strengthen the forward department anyway. Might be best to let both Davis and Wesley to both go on loan if we do. Watkins has played every minute this season and I don't think that's sustainable. Don't think either Wesley or Davis are capable of leading the line in his absence to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 02:34:13 PM
The last sentence is the important one, people who think Wesley nad Davis deserve a chance to stake a claim are less bothered about an extra striker, most people who are clamouring to spend a massive chunk of the budget on Tammy have written one or both of them off as not good enough. Without knowing where Smith sits on that debate it's hard to know what to expect. The budget makes a huge difference as well, if we've got £120m to spend (first summer) then chucking £40m at a striker doesn't seem so risky, if it's more like £80m (last summer) then it massively limits funds elsewhere.

What my list does show though is how thin the midfield options are which is why strengthening in there is so important.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Was brilliant to see Davis score. However next match he comes on for his annual 5 minute run out so clearly in DS mind him finally scoring in prem game didn't alter his thinking for next game especially given the match was poised at 1-1 after an hour which is when many clubs would put on another striker to freshen things up.

It's simply hard to see him figuring regularly next season. I thought we should've loaned him out for start of 19/20 season so of course we could do that for next season but feels like we've timed it a bit wrong. Any loan spell would be just to increase his value.

We need a striker on the bench next season DS is actually confident to throw on in second halfs from 60th min mark and Davis simply isn't that in his mind.

Wes being eased in as he should so again hard to see him getting significant minutes for final few games so imo not enough to justify him being Ollie's backup next season.


I'd like to see Barry get some minutes in the final few games. Still very young but the way he finished v experienced Liverpool defence was special. In the long run he could save us plenty given he can play out wide in the front 3 aswell.

I still think a Calum Wilson type striker would make plenty of sense for us. Say we'd signed him last summer and he'd have contributed another 5-10 points for us with goals off the bench in games we were drawing or losing then I reckon we could've sold him to someone like Watford for 15m as promoted types are always after experienced premier league strikers so wouldn't have lost much.

Seen Ivan Toney mentioned but my issue is this....surely Brentford would ask more for him than Ollie last summer? His goalscoring record is better and I'd assume Peterborough have high % selling on clause than Exeter did so that will impact on Brentford's thinking aswell.

35m for Ivan Toney or Tammy for 40m, I know which one I'd choose. Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 06, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.

74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.

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Post by: manic-road on May 06, 2021, 05:22:16 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.

74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.



Yes a top player and if we are to improve further the squad needs strengthening, should Ollie pick up a lengthy injury at all next season we will be short of quality options up front, also Ollie and Tammy can play in a wide forward role.
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Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2021, 05:22:51 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.
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Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
If Man City, Man United, Liverpool & Chelsea + I guess Leicester arenít all over getting Saka out of that disfunctional club there is something wrong....too soon probably for us to get into that type of signing but Iíd love it if we did show the ambition to try & get that level of player in.

Really hoping he becomes the transfer saga of the summer and takes any attention away from our Jack :-)
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.

I've said for years that we don't have an "Oh shit, not him" player, for when we're playing opponents who've coped with us for seventy minutes then we can bring on a like for like replacement they're afraid of. Manchester United are past masters at it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 07, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
I disagree Dave, Villa have had plenty of players that make be say "oh shit, not him" when they're brought on ;) :)
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2021, 10:28:02 AM
We have to sort the central midfield even if that takes most or all of the budget.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 07, 2021, 10:33:58 AM
Is it possible to merge the Transfer Rumours Threads? If only I knew a Moderator....
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Post by: SteveN on May 07, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
The BBC Gossip is linking Brentford with Hibs striker Ken Nisbet as a replacement for Toney.

Lets cut out the middleman and go for Nisbet
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Post by: CT Villan on May 07, 2021, 01:32:04 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 07, 2021, 01:58:53 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).

If Jack Grealish does stay, then the big question will be whether he moves into that central "number 10" role.  If not, then I would love to see a real quality player come in to play in there, the type that is really good to watch.  Wouldn't prioritise it over a right sided attacker or defensive central midfielder though, especially as McGinn and Sanson can play there as well

McGinn can really lead the press when he plays there and would chip in with goals, but not sure he is 'cute' enough on the ball to be really effective in that position. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 07, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).

If Jack Grealish does stay, then the big question will be whether he moves into that central "number 10" role.  If not, then I would love to see a real quality player come in to play in there, the type that is really good to watch.  Wouldn't prioritise it over a right sided attacker or defensive central midfielder though, especially as McGinn and Sanson can play there as well

McGinn can really lead the press when he plays there and would chip in with goals, but not sure he is 'cute' enough on the ball to be really effective in that position.

I'd like to see McGinn playing more where Traore does currently. Cutting in from the left higher up the pitch he could be very effective. Would share your concerns about his lack of cuteness to play effectively at 10, don't think he has the sureness of touch for example that you need. Will be interesting to see what position Sanson is going to challenge for next season, with a hard pre season behind him. It's going to be competition for the likes of McGinn it seems, not sitting in next to Luiz. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 07, 2021, 02:09:30 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2021, 02:17:11 PM
Is it possible to merge the Transfer Rumours Threads? If only I knew a Moderator....

The other one was from the summer, so I've locked it.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2021, 03:55:01 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?

Bloody hope so.
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Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2021, 05:26:12 PM
Paul, you're his biggest fan! In the same way as Rudy Can't Fail Kelly gets on Ghazi's case more than anyone  ;D
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Post by: olaftab on May 07, 2021, 05:35:00 PM
The BBC Gossip is linking Brentford with Hibs striker Ken Nisbet as a replacement for Toney.

Lets cut out the middleman and go for Nisbet
No as usual we should wait and pay Brenford 10x  the fee they will pay in 12 months. They business model requires it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 07, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
If we are signing another centre forward, I expect someone a bit better than some triangle twat that used to hang around with Paul Daniels.
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Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2021, 07:21:26 PM
If we are signing another centre forward, I expect someone a bit better than some triangle twat that used to hang around with Paul Daniels.

That poor thing was tortured by Daniels, it had tried to hang itself many times without success.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2021, 07:39:34 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?
If they do activate the clause in the summer then they clearly were always going to activate it as he has been nothing more than ok for most of this season.  I personally hope they donít go for him & then he steps it up again next season and we get the 50m Dougie that we hoped for
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.

I've said for years that we don't have an "Oh shit, not him" player, for when we're playing opponents who've coped with us for seventy minutes then we can bring on a like for like replacement they're afraid of. Manchester United are past masters at it.

It's a real problem for us. For a side that's been top half for pretty much all of the season bar about 3 weekends, gaining just 5 points from losing positions really needs to be significantly improved on if we're to keep moving up the league.

Dosen't even have to be a big name signing but someone who can come on 65-70 min mark and make a real impact on game is really needed in our squad. Trez doing it v Fulham stuck out as it's rare we have a sub winning a game in that manner.

Could also help next season if we start some of our regular names on the bench at times due to rotation e.g. over xmas period Watkins and McGinn are on bench as I doubt opposition would enjoy either coming on at the hour mark if it's 1-1.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 08, 2021, 09:06:17 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2021, 09:30:35 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 08, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.

I think he would be very good for us
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on May 08, 2021, 09:51:43 AM
He seems similar to El Ghazi in style but probably a better crosser but less goals.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2021, 09:55:37 AM
I think you have to be a very special footballer to get away with a lack of pace.
McNeil isnít.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 10:02:45 AM
He did play very well against us earlier in the season. Tends to be a key criteria for us signing players going back for years
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 08, 2021, 10:05:51 AM
The window will open for 12 weeks starting Wednesday June 9 and closes  Tuesday 11pm August 31
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Post by: Mister E on May 08, 2021, 11:02:53 AM
I think you have to be a very special footballer to get away with a lack of pace.
McNeil isnít.
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 11:06:50 AM
How many times. Burnley players are not Galacticos! Fucking BOO!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:07:41 PM
How many times. Burnley players are not Galacticos! Fucking BOO!
neither were players from Bournemouth, Brentford, Nottingham Forest, Hibernian etc....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
Yes, and they're fine for the team. Now to add to them we need galacticos. It's the natural next stage in our evolution. I want a "WOW" signing. No fucking about. Someone to influence Villa the same way Gullit did Chelsea.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
Yes, and they're fine for the team. Now to add to them we need galacticos.
Who you suggesting?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
Messi.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:11:42 PM
Messi.
More chance of Starmer getting in at number 10.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
I didn't think you'd have a realistic suggestion.
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Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
A galactico is a stretch but getting someone that makes people wonder how we got him and makes players think about how ambitious we must be to have done it is important this window. The easy way to get top 4 level players is to be in the top 4, without that advantage they won't be so easy to pickup but we should still try. Someone with 50+ caps and a bunch of champions league appearances who can come in and make people really pay attention to us.
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Post by: garyellis on May 08, 2021, 01:24:59 PM
The player who may be gettable but would cost with no or little resale value is Zaha.
He would change the dynamics of the team and make others take notice.
Top 4 clubs probably wonít come in for him now and we may be an interesting proposition for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on May 08, 2021, 01:51:06 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. Iím with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I havenít a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
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Post by: LeeB on May 08, 2021, 01:58:32 PM
Personally, I don't give a shit where they come from as long they improve us.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 02:05:39 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. Iím with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I havenít a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
everyone wants big name players. Just depends if they want to come to Villa. If these top players we should be going for are "galacticos" then surely they might have better offers, like clubs in the Champions League?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: garyellis on May 08, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. Iím with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I havenít a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
You have to have a level of realism. If you think we can attract (not afford) a better proven premier league player than Zaha send me some of the stuff you are on.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 02:44:34 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola. 
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. Iím with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I havenít a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.

Indeed. Fits in with how some Evertonian described his club last week, '35 years of transition'; let's not go that route especially when we not only have a club that is primed from top to bottom to take as big step up, owners ready to support it and a market that has been financially hit by Covid. We really don't want another chapter in the book, 'The Missed Opportunities of Aston Villa'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 08, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.

Thanks for that 👍
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Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
How's the Galacticos approach working for Real Madrid right now? Signing a 'fuck me' player might be exciting at the time but if the risk is that they start acting like they're doing us a favour. Barkley was a bit of a surprise signing for a team starting their second season back in the Premier League and it started well but look at his attitude since his injury. Trudging off the pitch in a sulk and acting like he doesn't care, giving the ball away and then not tracking back. Forget it if they're going to act like a Billy big bollocks. I would rather players that have a combination of ability and the right attitude.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 08, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
How's the Galacticos approach working for Real Madrid right now? Signing a 'fuck me' player might be exciting at the time but if the risk is that they start acting like they're doing us a favour. Barkley was a bit of a surprise signing for a team starting their second season back in the Premier League and it started well but look at his attitude since his injury. Trudging off the pitch in a sulk and acting like he doesn't care, giving the ball away and then not tracking back. Forget it if they're going to act like a Billy big bollocks. I would rather players that have a combination of ability and the right attitude.

+1
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 03:58:35 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Being where we are now I actually think Tammy could be similar type coming back as fans would immediately love it and you'd back him to get off to a quick start scoring.

Perhaps we could just play 4-3-1-2 next season and ditch signing a proven wide player as those tend to be in 30-40m bracket unless you scout really really well.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 04:00:49 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?

He's similar to Grealish. Could've easily moved on to higher Italian club last few seasons but is very loyal to them. 15 goals in Serie A this season and he's not a striker. Should also make Italy euros squad.

If he wants to come to prem we should be in like a shot but feels the sort of signing Atalanta will make.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 08, 2021, 04:00:59 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?


just googled him , £27 million winger 26 years old ,  are we after him ?
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Post by: jwarry on May 08, 2021, 04:01:39 PM
I kind of agree that attracting CL level players is difficult and yes they are more likely to join Leicester than us at the moment (think about that for a minute).  But, Citeh started somewhere with their intent and signed Robinho when they were nowhere near CL.  As they say, money talks....
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola.

You're in a strop today.

Obviously I meant players still at or vaguely near their prime.

We keep hearing that the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid are skint, and they might be banned from Europe. Go test them with a bid for Messi and stop fucking about.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 04:11:00 PM
(And Ginola would probably still have been decent under the right manager).
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2021, 04:17:14 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really donít think your point is talked about enough. Heís not everyoneís cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really donít think your point is talked about enough. Heís not everyoneís cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.

And that's the difference between good and great. A good player sits back when he think he's done enough; a great one never stops competing because he knows nothing else.
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Post by: Risso on May 08, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
The other thing with Terry is he seems quite happy to get on with learning his trade under Smith. I've no doubt he'll have been offered all sorts since being with us, but he's rightly (in my opinion) taken the long view rather than doing a Rooney or Lampard and diving in before he's ready.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really donít think your point is talked about enough. Heís not everyoneís cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.

And that's the difference between good and great. A good player sits back when he think he's done enough; a great one never stops competing because he knows nothing else.

I look at Ronaldo in much the same way. Of course Messi to a point, but he doesnít have a fraction of the criticism levelled at Ronaldo. Ronaldo is only driven by success. Of course heís self centred but you have to be to get to where he is. At his age still better than most of the players around him. Heís utterly remarkable even if you can dislike the image and persona he gives off. He demands excellence of himself and everyone around him and I imagine Terry is the same way. Something I imagine has impacted very positively on the Villa players too. Especially what is now one of the top defences in the league.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 04:42:50 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola.

You're in a strop today.

Obviously I meant players still at or vaguely near their prime.

We keep hearing that the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid are skint, and they might be banned from Europe. Go test them with a bid for Messi and stop fucking about.

Not at all young man 😎

Seeing posts like yours make me smile a lot.

Very entertaining. 😂
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Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Carew was a bit of a nomad before joining us, if I recall correctly he had fallen out with Houllier at Lyon so that swap deal with Baros kind of fell into our lap a bit.

No matter what kind of kind of cash our owners have, I think we need to be realistic about the type of players that are likely to join a mid table club. The likes of Traore and Sanson are experienced players but at EL level as opposed to ECL. Barkley was a punt a bit like Carew to try and get him back on track. Others like Cash and Watkins, promising players from the championship. I think our likely signings this summer will be from a similar pool.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Carew was a bit of a nomad before joining us, if I recall correctly he had fallen out with Houllier at Lyon so that swap deal with Baros kind of fell into our lap a bit.

No matter what kind of kind of cash our owners have, I think we need to be realistic about the type of players that are likely to join a mid table club. The likes of Traore and Sanson are experienced players but at EL level as opposed to ECL. Barkley was a punt a bit like Carew to try and get him back on track. Others like Cash and Watkins, promising players from the championship. I think our likely signings this summer will be from a similar pool.

He'd played in a Valencia team that reached CL final in 2001 and had decent scoring record in La Liga IIRC. Yeah after that he went to play in Italy, Turkey, France so bit of a journeyman but still player with some pedigree and was only 27 when we picked him up.

In that period we also got in Laursen and Bouma who were experienced players so think we need to go down that route again, not quite CL but pick up good players from teams finishing 6th-10th in decent leagues as that will surely improve us, Berardi good example of that as he's key player of team who could still finish 7th in Serie A.
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Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
I don't remember Carew ever thinking he was bigger than the club though and in fact loved the club and still does despite having played for a half dozen.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Loved Carew.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 05:49:02 PM
Loved Carew.
he was exactly what we needed at the time, he was different to the other forwards we had at the time, especially as we were reliant on Angel (getting old) Moore and Gabby were young and Baros wasn't doing anything - coming in during January seemed to give him a chance to get in full flow for the next season.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Have to say I wasn't too impressed with Dele Alli earlier today. Barkley esque effort without the ball at times. Doesn't look physically or mentally tuned in. Still has a touch of class at times as he showed with his assist but you need to be showing a lot more. The aggression to his game seems to have disappeared.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 06:02:17 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.
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Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 06:41:16 PM
Loved Carew.

On his day he was world class.
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Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
I'm all for us continuing with the path we're on. Every window we're going for better players, improving us. Mostly young with potential too. We can keep on growing.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 08, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.

I reckon he's more consistent but also more injured.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2021, 10:09:28 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.

I reckon he's more consistent but also more injured.
Watched the game today, he was unrecognisable as a talent and because of his new Barnet.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2021, 01:59:05 AM
I think we might still be s year away from being in a position to make that really big signing.  Think we still have a bit of squad building to do this summer, as we need a couple of starters and some better back up options in certain positions in.  We do that and Jack Grealish stays, then we really should be looking at being firmly cemented in the top ten with maybe even an eye on the top six. 

If that does happen and we have a strong, settled squad, I think next January / summer is the time to go looking for a real statement signing, probably in that attacking midfield position, who could potentially push us on again.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 09, 2021, 02:44:40 AM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?

He's an excellent player who would propel us to the next level. I mentioned him the day this new transfer thread started.

A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2021, 07:36:09 AM
I think a process of each pre-season improving areas of the team with 3-4 new players with one big name signing, that then push last seasons players onto the bench is a realistic way of approaching transfers.

Some of the players on Goldie.7 list could do that
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Not that I have seen him play, but Iíd love us to sign this sort of player.  Heís been linked with all the huge clubs but three or four seasons at Villa, playing most weeks, could be a compelling sell to the player (plus the pay rises etc etc):

Eduardo Camavinga

Arguably one of the most potent teenagers in Europe, Eduardo Camavinga has set the French Ligue 1 alight in the 2019/20 season. The 17-year-old Stade Rennais star doesnít regularly appear on the scoresheet, but he also doesnít tend to shy away from the dirty work.

The elegant, intelligent, exceptionally composed defensive midfielder has received plaudits for his outstanding defensive contributions. Camavingaís statistics further highlight his excellent consistency at the heart of Rennesí midfield: the whizzkid was averaging 4.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions and 1.3 clearances in every 90 minutes of league football last season.

Likened to world-class Chelsea midfielder NíGolo Kante, the Frenchman is also a fierce physical presence in the Rennes team. With remarkable strength and stamina, Camavinga played over 2,100 minutes last season (25 league appearances until the campaign ended prematurely due to Covid-19), winning an impressive 1.3 aerial duels per match on average.
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Post by: john2710 on May 09, 2021, 11:05:41 AM
I think we're in a similar scenario to 1995-6. Signings like Southgate, Draper & Savo pushed us to into the top 4. We should be looking to move up a couple of places each season for the next 2-3 years.

We're looking for top 6 quality player's & with the exception of Jack & Martinez every position could be improved on. I think McGinn's place in the team is seriously under threat.

Defensive midfielder - replace Nakamba
Creative midfielder- replace Barkley
Right winger - replace Trez
Backup centre-half - replace Engles
Centre forward - replace Davies

Add in the youth's from the U23's & we have a squad ready to compete for those European spots.
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Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2021, 11:33:09 AM
Not that I have seen him play, but Iíd love us to sign this sort of player.  Heís been linked with all the huge clubs but three or four seasons at Villa, playing most weeks, could be a compelling sell to the player (plus the pay rises etc etc):

Eduardo Camavinga

Arguably one of the most potent teenagers in Europe, Eduardo Camavinga has set the French Ligue 1 alight in the 2019/20 season. The 17-year-old Stade Rennais star doesnít regularly appear on the scoresheet, but he also doesnít tend to shy away from the dirty work.

The elegant, intelligent, exceptionally composed defensive midfielder has received plaudits for his outstanding defensive contributions. Camavingaís statistics further highlight his excellent consistency at the heart of Rennesí midfield: the whizzkid was averaging 4.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions and 1.3 clearances in every 90 minutes of league football last season.

Likened to world-class Chelsea midfielder NíGolo Kante, the Frenchman is also a fierce physical presence in the Rennes team. With remarkable strength and stamina, Camavinga played over 2,100 minutes last season (25 league appearances until the campaign ended prematurely due to Covid-19), winning an impressive 1.3 aerial duels per match on average.

Me too but I think he'll be going to one of the Arsehole clubs.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2021, 01:44:11 PM
I suspect youíre right.  I just hope that being in the first team, and part of something, would be more appealing than years in the reserves and on loan, which is likely at any ESL club.  If he is good enough then heíll end up at the same place anyway and I think that likelihood increases by playing regularly.
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 09, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Here's one I'll throw into the ring - How about James Ward-Prowse from Southampton?

He's about the level of player that would improve our starting 11, and I'd say 'gettable' for a club in our position.

He'd have the lure of a few more England regulars alongside him (inc. Jack), and would probably know Targett quite well from his time on the South Coast. He's an established Premier League midfielder (so very little risk involved), has killer technique in dead ball situations, and has just broken through into the national squad. I think he'd be perfect for that midfielder sized hole in the middle of Villa Park?
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 09, 2021, 09:42:50 PM
Agree, he would improve us and is may be Ď gettable Ď
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 09, 2021, 09:48:20 PM
We need someone who can sit in front of the back 4, athletic, can tackle and keep the ball moving quickly.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
I said it in my first post in this thread but Leon Bailey please. The exact player at this stage in our progress that we should be looking at. Him on tje right, Jack on the left, fucking hell!
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Post by: Steve67 on May 09, 2021, 10:01:11 PM
We need a ball playing unit in front of the back four.  Been saying it for the last couple of years.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 09, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
Here's one I'll throw into the ring - How about James Ward-Prowse from Southampton?

He's about the level of player that would improve our starting 11, and I'd say 'gettable' for a club in our position.

He'd have the lure of a few more England regulars alongside him (inc. Jack), and would probably know Targett quite well from his time on the South Coast. He's an established Premier League midfielder (so very little risk involved), has killer technique in dead ball situations, and has just broken through into the national squad. I think he'd be perfect for that midfielder sized hole in the middle of Villa Park?


Unless they've got some release cause in their contract, it would be very difficult to sign a key player from another PL team.  That's even if the player would be open to a move to a club in a similar bracket (at the moment).

The going rate for a player of that ilk is probably around the £40 million mark in today's inflated domestic market.  So if Soton were looking £50-60 mill for a player they don't want to lose (and don't need to sell) is it still attractive?
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Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2021, 10:21:50 PM
Ward-Prowse? Not for general play. Free kicks he is miles better than anything we currently have. Question is could we carry him for his set pieces?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2021, 10:33:21 PM
Bailey and JWP are good suggestions for signings.
Not sure theyíre the galacticos people are demanding thoughÖ..
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 09, 2021, 10:54:03 PM
Bailey still relatively young so could learn from playing alongside Messi. Get him in.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Can't we sign someone like Smith Rowe?

He's a terrific player imo, wonderful touch and makes fantastic runs into the box.

Arsenal are so clueless they'll probably sell him for 20m when they spend 200m on more forwards so I'd like us to be in as can see likes of Leicester wanting him.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2021, 11:12:52 PM
Ward-Prowse? Not for general play. Free kicks he is miles better than anything we currently have. Question is could we carry him for his set pieces?

Thing with Ward Prowse is he's a decent midfielder but not really better than McGinn, energetic and o.k passing but not the sort to drag us near top 6.

And given his status at Southampton and getting called up by England, he's costing 40m minimum so we need to be signing real difference makers.

He reminds me of Charlie Adam in a way, had that mad year at Blackpool that got him a Liverpool move but that exposed the limitations to his all round game and he faded into obscurity at Stoke after that.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 09, 2021, 11:16:44 PM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert, but someone who plays like McGinn and is brilliant at free kicks sounds alright to me.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2021, 11:30:17 PM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert,

About the same as me so can't really comment but my uncle who seems to watch every live game reckons Bissouma is the player that we need in midfield. Not sure if he would fully meet the "ball playing unit in front of the back four" that Steve67 feels we're missing.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 12:04:05 AM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert,

About the same as me so can't really comment but my uncle who seems to watch every live game reckons Bissouma is the player that we need in midfield. Not sure if he would fully meet the "ball playing unit in front of the back four" that Steve67 feels we're missing.

Had a good game today I thought and reads play well and will certainly give us more presence in central area.

Talk Liverpool are in for him though.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 10, 2021, 12:20:38 AM
James Ward-Prowse? For £40-50m I'd be passing. His last outstanding league match was against us 6 months ago. Signing average players like JWP isn't going to keep our best players with us, that is the bottom line.

We now have the third richest owners in the League due to Sawiris's fortune increasing by $3.5b in the past year.

I think we should go all out for Depay. Offer him £160k-a-week for 5 years (with heavy incentives) which would equal a £42m transfer free which we aren't paying because he's out of contract in June. Yes he flopped at manure, how did Salah get on at Chelsea?

Maybe that's even too cheap. Let's not forget we've apparently paid Chelsea £11m to secure the immense services of Barkley for a year and on top of that we're paying him £5m in wages.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 10, 2021, 01:35:39 AM
Thats what City did, took a little time to solidify then spent mega money buying top players. If they are allowed i believe the owners would be up for it.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 02:46:29 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.
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Post by: Axl Rose on May 10, 2021, 06:46:11 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 07:21:28 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Well, he knows which way to pass the port for a starter. Daddy is a High Court Judge after all. A cut above the usual tattooed oiks with whom we are linked.
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 07:24:57 AM
Joking apart , I think Ward- Prowse can be a bit of a nasty, niggly little bugger on occasions and might bring a bit of bite and competitive edge that we sometimes lack in midfield. We are generally a bit too Ďniceí in M/ F .
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 07:53:41 AM
Hourihane also has bite, and a wand of a left foot, which seems to be undervalued.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 10, 2021, 08:12:34 AM
I am sure if Dean thought that Hourihane had a wand of a left foot he would have been in the team every week

We need a dominant central midfielder in the summer - saw the Luiz tweet made interesting reading
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2021, 08:34:16 AM
Quote
Wolves manager Nuno Espirito Santo is being lined up for a move away from Molineux by his agent Jorge Mendes, with Aston Villa emerging as a potential destination for the Portuguese boss. (Football Insider)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57048382
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 08:37:58 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2021, 08:38:35 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.

Couldn't have put it better :D
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 08:50:09 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.
Steve Bruceís Tinder page , brilliant  :)
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 10, 2021, 08:52:19 AM
If we're after Pereira then we may see some movement now, it seems a decision on Allardyce's futures will be made soon and rests on him having appropriate backing to fund a promotion push. Selling Pereira prompty probably works in their favour.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 10, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
Burnley players and now fucking Albion? Where's the exciting galacticos?
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 10, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Sign the better players from the clubs below you, it works.

I'd be all over the likes of Berg, Pereira, Eze and Ings this Summer.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 10, 2021, 09:09:29 AM
Ings would be injured the second he signed. Southampton have been very lucky with how many games he's played for them compared to his prior record. I do like Eze. Not sure about Berg, he must be in his 50s by now?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
Sign the better players from the clubs below you, it works.

I'd be all over the likes of Berg, Pereira, Eze and Ings this Summer.
can you keep your sexual fantasies to your self.
This is supposed to be the Transfer Thread.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 10, 2021, 09:33:44 AM
Wolves manager wants to go back to Portugal and manage benfica
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Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.
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Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
We need a ball playing unit in front of the back four.  Been saying it for the last couple of years.
Not sure he fits your description Steve but need to get Pereira from Baggies as soon as possible. He's the strong skillful runner down the centre that we lack at the moment. 
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Post by: jwarry on May 10, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
Dean has said there are plenty of plates spinning and the owners are not going to rest until we are competing for CL places, so could be another interesting window in the summer
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Joking apart , I think Ward- Prowse can be a bit of a nasty, niggly little bugger on occasions and might bring a bit of bite and competitive edge that we sometimes lack in midfield. We are generally a bit too Ďniceí in M/ F .

Ward Prowse just feels MON thinking to me, we wouldn't get him for under 40m either and for 40-50m signing you want to get someone in who you'd feel would drive us into top 6 at least within two seasons if not quicker.

What about Milenkovic Savic at Lazio? 26, two years left on his deal, constantly linked to CL teams but still at Lazio who'll miss out on CL, 6ft 3 and can play box to box role or as number 10 if needed.

Scored 8 in Serie A this season and 12 in 17/18 season so feels to me like a far more exciting signing than James Ward Prowse. Luiz Alberto is a very good number 10 player for them aswell.

West Ham signed Felipe Anderson for 42m from Lazio a few years back so you can get those types. They'd just finished 13th in the premier league on 42 points.
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Post by: Drummond on May 10, 2021, 01:45:12 PM
Ward-Prowse is a definite no for me. He's not done much til now bar score score a couple of free-kicks. He may strengthen the squad but he's not a player to improve on our First team.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 10, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
I really would like us to get a tough CM in along the lines of a Viera, Keane someone who really puts the foot in and intimidates teams.

I do however think that Sansom could become a good player next season once fully settled
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
I agree on Ward-Prowse, I like him but he's too similar to the rest of the midfielders we have. £40m for a guy who has a good free kick every now and then but doesn't add much in open play feels like a bad use of funds.

Milenkovic-Savic looks like the right sort of player but I've only seen highlights, the other one in Italy I like the look of (again just from highlights) is Locatelli at Sassuolo, I think he'd fit in perfectly for what we need. In fact Berardi and Locatelli coming from Sassuolo together would be a fantastic window for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2021, 02:14:23 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:30:42 PM
I agree on Ward-Prowse, I like him but he's too similar to the rest of the midfielders we have. £40m for a guy who has a good free kick every now and then but doesn't add much in open play feels like a bad use of funds.

Milenkovic-Savic looks like the right sort of player but I've only seen highlights, the other one in Italy I like the look of (again just from highlights) is Locatelli at Sassuolo, I think he'd fit in perfectly for what we need. In fact Berardi and Locatelli coming from Sassuolo together would be a fantastic window for us.

Yes Locatelli and Berardi are very good aswell, Berardi will be starting for Italy at this summers euros so one to watch.

On another forum I'm on there's plenty of Italian posters and they all say about him that he's fantastic player but needs team built around him and prefers playing in environment where there's less internal pressure. He's rejected moves to Jove and Roma in last few years.

That's the problem with ideal looking players sometimes, have to look in their background sometimes. Immobile barely scored at all at Dortmund and Sevilla, goes back to Lazio and instantly scores 25-30 a season again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:34:58 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2021, 02:41:07 PM
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

Luiz has never been an impact sub, surely. He started the majority of our games last season, and when he was a sub it was usually because somebody like Drinkwater was playing abysmally.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:47:33 PM
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

Luiz has never been an impact sub, surely. He started the majority of our games last season, and when he was a sub it was usually because somebody like Drinkwater was playing abysmally.

He was regular at start of last season but then Nakamba got a fair few games around October-December period. Lansbury also started ahead of him for Sheffield United away.... In January 2020 for example Luiz  came on in the game away to Brighton and home to Watford so this season he's gone to essential starter bar the odd game.

Very good up to January imo....not so great in the last three months but he's not alone in that regard from the regular starters.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2021, 02:57:52 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I don't watch enough of Southampton to evaluate, but I thought that Romeu was bloody good against us down there and looked like the kind of player we could do with, he had the physicallity but also a good touch and could carry the ball.

It was probably his best performance of the season and he's usually gash now I've said that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 03:02:35 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.

I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 03:21:06 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 10, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Donít disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Donít disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

I expect us to be linked with Shania Twain and Def Leppard.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 04:11:06 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Donít disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

On that subject Daramy at FCK looks like he could become a good player but probably 2-3 years away. i can't see us looking at anyone else there though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on May 10, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 04:23:38 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 

I can't decide on him, he was good against us and the stats show he's been decent in the last couple of months but he doesn't look like an upgrade on Bert to me, he seems similar in that he's very inconsistent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 10, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
Fuck giving the Bitters any money. They can scavenge Fat Sams brown paper bag cash from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 04:34:17 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 

Really? I find him a very exciting player who will only get better having better players alongside him. Heís inventive, heís great in dead all situations. I see him a bit like Lookman at Fulham, another player I would gladly have. He stands out in a relegated side and would be an upgrade on what we have today.

We need two types of player in my opinion. Ones that make our first team much better and ones that make our squad deeper and stronger. Our issue today is that when our best players are out or experience a loss of form, the drop off in quality is rather large. We need to bridge that gap over many windows so we can properly rotate our squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: caster troy on May 10, 2021, 04:44:29 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 05:05:03 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. Heís a top young talent.

Donít disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

I expect us to be linked with Shania Twain and Def Leppard.

Ah, the Britpop bands. UB40 would be a difficult deal to do but it would be an exciting proposition. The scouts could go on an all-weekend binge to Prestatyn to see Wings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2021, 05:16:50 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.
We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.
I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
Declan Rice is the model for that CMF role: before his injury he was superb and the Spammers have missed him (Note how Soucek's scoring has dropped off since the Rice injury).
So, where's the next D Rice?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 10, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12301848/championship-team-of-the-season-2020-21

Michael Olise is the one that stands out to me, still only 19 and left footed. Could be an understudy to Traore and add some depth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 05:22:08 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.
We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.
I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
Declan Rice is the model for that CMF role: before his injury he was superb and the Spammers have missed him (Note how Soucek's scoring has dropped off since the Rice injury).
So, where's the next D Rice?

Absolutely, Rice is a perfect example of the player I want, if he moves he'll be looking for champions league but if we can find someone similar it'd be fantastic. Of the gettable targets Berge still seems the best fit for me and I'd be ok with an older player in a similar vein (Matic would be my choice but I suspect he wouldn't be that popular with most).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.

I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.

Matic - or is he too old now?
fernandinho - Would his Richie McCaw invisibility cloak desert him if he left Man City?
Milner - not a natural DM but definitely the right character
Wynaldum - on a free but would need crazy wages to gazump Liverpool/Barcaís offers

The more I think about it, all the above are compromises whereas we could buy the next off the rank with Bissoumba from Brighton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on May 10, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Im not sure on Pereira, looks great in some matches and anonymous in others, but then I suspect that would always be the case for any flair player in a relegation certain team.

Anyway I had a dabble on one of their forums to see what they thought and come across this gem of a quote "Watching him dribble has been a joy to watch, he's been the most I've enjoyed watching a player since Jason Koumas"

The daft bastards are also talking about holding out for £90m. They will be lucky to get £25m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2021, 05:56:35 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12301848/championship-team-of-the-season-2020-21

Michael Olise is the one that stands out to me, still only 19 and left footed. Could be an understudy to Traore and add some depth.

Iíd even consider signing him and leaving him at Reading for the season, it should knock a few million off the price tag and allow him to get more experience in familiar surroundings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on May 10, 2021, 06:22:17 PM
Realistic options to improve the first team

Dwight Mcneil
  (£15 -£17m?)



Michael Olise  (£10 -£12m?)



Emiliano Buendia  (£35 -£37m?)




If Leicester City incoming transfer business is 9 out of 10, I think ours has been a solid 7 out of 10. So I have hope that we move forward with young talented ballers.

Let make and develop our own stars.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
Douglas Luiz has the right attitude there as he's learning and growing. Technically very good and part of Brazil team and squad I've been recently concerned on form but long term he's the man I stick with and was purchased with the ability to only improve . He's causal but really a calm player who plays at own pace.

 I think a couple of very experienced head alongside or in squad would work wonders for the whole team  :)

The other Week Dougie said this. (He turned 23 yesterday.)

ďI have a good long pass, Iím good at marking, I have dribbling skills and Iím a good out-ball, At Villa part of my role is to close spaces to allow our full-backs to have more space. But Iím only 22 so thereís still a lot to learn, a lot of maturing to do. Itís up to me to keep fighting and asking for help from the manager and the older players.Ē

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2021, 06:46:42 PM
Sergej Milinković-Savić or Javi Martinez to play in midfield
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: garyellis on May 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
Talking to a big Norwich fan last week they donít think Buendia will stick around for another season of struggle in the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
Talking to a big Norwich fan last week they donít think Buendia will stick around for another season of struggle in the premier league.

He might not, but being under contract he's not going on the cheap. He's a super player so it would be nice to think we might be in for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2021, 09:11:56 PM
Did Buendia really do it in the Premier League last season?  I don't know a lot about him.  We could do with some height and pace about us and I'm not sure he fits what we are looking for?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 10, 2021, 09:14:04 PM
Presumably if we were going to buy Buendia, we would have bought him a couple of years ago as Smith was meant to have liked him but never signed him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I don't watch enough of Southampton to evaluate, but I thought that Romeu was bloody good against us down there and looked like the kind of player we could do with, he had the physicallity but also a good touch and could carry the ball.

It was probably his best performance of the season and he's usually gash now I've said that.

I'm pretty sure we were close to getting him years back when Houllier was here. Think we were looking at him and then Chelsea signed him, Fofana at Lyon was another but he got a bad injury and didn't really recover.

Yeah he's underrated but close to 30 now and gets a few injuries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 10:06:10 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.
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Post by: andyh on May 10, 2021, 10:48:59 PM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 10, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.

He wasn't even that good at set pieces. Scored one free kick, which deflected off the wall, against Man U on or soon after his debut and after that whenever we were on the telly and got a free kick the commentators would say something along the lines of "here comes Villa's set piece danger man" as he whacked it straight at the wall again.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2021, 10:57:24 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Roy Keane did ok at United. Robertson and Wijnaldum at Liverpool. There are plenty of decent players in the championship and at clubs below us in the table. However, I don't see anyone in the relegated three teams that immediately suggests they would improve our first eleven. Lookman didn't really kick on after a bright start at Fulham. Perreira is a talent but that's the position Id like to see McGinn in next season.

Curcic was bat shit mental. Not really sure why Hadji flopped, DOL didn't give him a chance at all?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on May 10, 2021, 11:07:46 PM
Until Romeu's injury,Ward-Prowse and him were the best pair of holding midfielders.They were good defensively,knew the role well and their first time passes were accurate.If available,Romeu would be the cheap,ageing,possibly injury prone option.
Ward-Prowse would be expensive but a great acquisition.Doesn't waste a pass,lacks some pace but reads the game well and his set piece delivery is the best in the country.Deserves to be in the England squad.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 10, 2021, 11:59:22 PM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?

Yes. If you want a striker that doesn't possess any real skill, has no pace, rarely presses the ball and highly likely won't score more than 10 goals in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2021, 12:34:46 AM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.

He wasn't even that good at set pieces. Scored one free kick, which deflected off the wall, against Man U on or soon after his debut and after that whenever we were on the telly and got a free kick the commentators would say something along the lines of "here comes Villa's set piece danger man" as he whacked it straight at the wall again.

It was Boro on his home debut. He'd missed a penalty in the first half that day and then hit a terrible penalty a few weeks late at home to Wimbledon (Merse's debut) and thanfully never took one again.

I was watching a few YTs of early games from 98/99 the other day and he was hitting some nice strikes from outside the area that the keepers were tipping over the bar but soon went out of the line up. Was Bolton's best player anyway when they went down in 97/98.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2021, 12:37:14 AM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Roy Keane did ok at United. Robertson and Wijnaldum at Liverpool. There are plenty of decent players in the championship and at clubs below us in the table. However, I don't see anyone in the relegated three teams that immediately suggests they would improve our first eleven. Lookman didn't really kick on after a bright start at Fulham. Perreira is a talent but that's the position Id like to see McGinn in next season.

Curcic was bat shit mental. Not really sure why Hadji flopped, DOL didn't give him a chance at all?

Hadji came under Gregory. I thought he was excellent at Coventry and good Merson replacement in long run so thought it was a good deal giving them Joachim and him coming in swop but he played very few games even after joining, Hassan Kachoul was more of a regular for first few months of that season before he also got frozen out so that probably showed Gregory's weakness of prefering hard running and grit over too much flair in the team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 11, 2021, 08:41:22 AM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?
putting out the training cones?
Seriously, He only scored 3 goals in the Prem this season and the team only scored 25 so it's not like he was assisting loads. We have Davis to be the forward brute and not-score.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2021, 06:03:35 PM
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Dean Smith: ďWeíve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.Ē

I just pitched a tent
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Mitrovic is the embodiment of the classic cliche - too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 12, 2021, 06:34:33 PM
I see Ryan Bertrand is leaving Southampton, experienced back up to Targett?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 12, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:20:03 PM
Mitrovic is toss - he looked good a couple of years ago - we don't really need a dad-bod of a striker who doesn't score - we've only recently got rid of Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2021, 07:22:01 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampt