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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 03:02:02 PM

Title: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Thought I would start this one up.  This isn’t a who we need thread it’s the rumours thread.  New players only get their own thread when signed or when Percy tweets it.  Sorry I’m feeling assertive today.

According to Percy we are targeting another winger and striker this window which I think we all agree are needed...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on April 03, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 03, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Cover/competition for Targett, please.

A good defensive midfielder, also.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
That Percy is nearly as good as our Percy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
Ads said the same. I assume when they say striker, they mean the number 10 type to replace Barkley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 03, 2021, 03:34:12 PM
We need a back up/competition at both full backs.
A defensive midfielder - Nakamba doesn't seem to be in favour.
A better value for money attacking midfielder than Barkley - unless Jack moves inside, then we need two wingers.
A striker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on April 03, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
A unit for the middle of midfield, a useful unit.  A winger, rapido,
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2021, 04:30:52 PM
We need to bring in four or five players cover at left back and right back if Freddie leaves midfielder and winger and another striker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on April 03, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
Turning into a ‘who we need’ thread already 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2021, 04:43:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaine-Kessler steps up to the 1st team squad next season as back-up right back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 03, 2021, 04:48:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kaine-Kessler steps up to the 1st team squad next season as back-up right back.

I agree.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2021, 05:10:59 PM
If Chelsea are going to go for Haarland I wonder if that would make Tammy a possibility?
It would certainly give us a two up front option, as both he and Ollie can play across the line
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
Turning into a ‘who we need’ thread already 😂

Yes.  Ah well without many rumours we might as well indulge!

I’ll take Messi, Aguero and Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
Turning into a ‘who we need’ thread already 😂

Yes.  Ah well without many rumours we might as well indulge!

I’ll take Messi, Aguero and Haaland.

Although it doesn’t fit our transfer profile I would love Aguero at VP.
Ollie would certainly be learning from the best.
Wages may be an issue, but put him on the same as Jack.
Don’t know what his injuries have been like, though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
I'm amazed no one thinks we need cover at CB: we have been very lucky with no injuries to to Konsa and Mings this season.
I want another class CB; may persuade Smith that sometimes a back 3 is a useful fallback tactical approach.
I'd love a Trossard or Pereira to come in as cover for Grealish.
And, we'll need cover for Targett.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
Leicester are going to do well to replace Vardy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 03, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
I'm amazed no one thinks we need cover at CB: we have been very lucky with no injuries to to Konsa and Mings this season.
I want another class CB; may persuade Smith that sometimes a back 3 is a useful fallback tactical approach.
I'd love a Trossard or Pereira to come in as cover for Grealish.
And, we'll need cover for Targett.
I think we do need cover - especially if Engles leaves. Hause seems to pick up a few injuries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2021, 08:08:04 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 08:13:01 PM
Jeez I’m losing it.  The Vardy post was for the other games thread.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 08:56:03 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 03, 2021, 09:03:33 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
I like him. And he obviously did well for us previously. But is he fit often enough ? And more importantly is he massively better than the kids I see ripping up the U23’s well ahead of their age group and the likes of Dominic Revan n loan at Weymouth ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 03, 2021, 09:18:20 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever I’ve seen him for manure he hasn’t looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on April 03, 2021, 09:18:28 PM
Does anyone know the rules with regards to U23 players and whether they need to be declared in the 25 man squad?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever I’ve seen him for manure he hasn’t looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

The other question is, why would he want to leave their bench for ours?

This is the issue with signing understudies, there are very few who are decent that will come unless there's a sniff of Champion's League football. It's been said many times before, but we ought to be looking to turn some of the current first team into back-ups. Apart from Martinez, Konsa and Grealish there are conceivable upgrades for all the others.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
The problem is are we likely to find better under-studys than Hause and Engels given any potential new signing will know that Mings and Konsa are set in stone as a partnership.

Bring Tuanzebe back? Could cover RB at a stretch too. Also gives the option of switching to a three at times. Bit of a no brainer for me if the price was right.
I like him. And he obviously did well for us previously. But is he fit often enough ? And more importantly is he massively better than the kids I see ripping up the U23’s well ahead of their age group and the likes of Dominic Revan n loan at Weymouth ?

I would safely say his track record for us next to Mings would suggest he is a long way ahead of any of our u23s. He's had a tough spell at Man United alright but they have huge competition at CB. His injury record is obviously a real worry but he is still only 23 and did well for us previously.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 03, 2021, 10:31:02 PM
Abraham or Isak to add competition up front. Thorgan Hazard and the marquee signing of Christian Pulisic to signal out intent. He’s in and out of the Chelsea team and Tuchel might want to cash in to bring his own players in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2021, 10:36:17 PM
Tuanzebe and a Tuanzebe, Tuanzebe-zebe-zebe!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever I’ve seen him for manure he hasn’t looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

The other question is, why would he want to leave their bench for ours?

This is the issue with signing understudies, there are very few who are decent that will come unless there's a sniff of Champion's League football. It's been said many times before, but we ought to be looking to turn some of the current first team into back-ups. Apart from Martinez, Konsa and Grealish there are conceivable upgrades for all the others.

Smith needs to change his approach next season with regards to player rotation. Don't think Watkins has missed a minute for us this season yet, that's not remotely sustainable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 03, 2021, 11:02:54 PM
I don’t see us spending really big this summer. I think they’ll look to bring in 2 or 3 high quality 1 team ready standard players and then bolster the first team squad from u23s / academy. Don’t know about who to get in or even who we’d be looking at- I’d assume a couple of overseas under the radar wonder kids for fairly modest money and then maybe a big money signing or 2 from UK. One I’d really be trying to get and would be maybe willing to spend over on would be Abraham. I reckon we’ve got a chance of getting him and also think he would improve us as I rate him probably top six quality, which is what we should be aiming at next season regardless of where we finish this season.

Think 9th is probably best we can aim for now unless we go on a mad run like at the start of the season. We’d then be having to sell ourselves as such to potential signings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 03, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2021, 11:15:36 PM
Abraham or Isak to add competition up front. Thorgan Hazard and the marquee signing of Christian Pulisic to signal out intent. He’s in and out of the Chelsea team and Tuchel might want to cash in to bring his own players in.

i too think there could be good value at Chelsea.  Pulisic, Gilmor and Tammy being players that I could see them letting go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 03, 2021, 11:17:01 PM
They won't let Pulisic go. Firstly, he's really good. Secondly, he could help make Chelsea the biggest club in America.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 03, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 03, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".

Agree! But I love the free market!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:21:29 PM
A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)

Thought this was a championship manager link, half expected to see To Madiera on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 03, 2021, 11:23:14 PM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".

Agree! But I love the free market!

Let's not fall out, now. ☹
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:37:56 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 03, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.

Aren't Chelsea from London?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 03, 2021, 11:46:30 PM
Indeed they are, a previous poster alluded to them being the biggest club in “America “ if they withhold the services of Pulisic.

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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Pulisic could win the quadruple with Chelsea and they would never be the biggest club in the US, Chivas Guadalajara & Club Americas will always be bigger even before we start talking about the giant European Clubs.



On that basis add Boca and River Plate too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:00:56 AM
Absolutely Dante, Chelsea aren’t even in the top 6 supported clubs in the UK let alone the US, clown talk as usual.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:11:28 AM
Why are all your posts confrontational?

Chelsea are the fifth best supported club in America already according to research. You'd have to be a complete clown not to think having the pre-eminent American player might boost that standing.

Even if it doesn't, there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made even from being one of the better supported teams over there, so don't expect them to let a potential US superstar leave.

https://www.giltedgesoccer.com/most-popular-soccer-clubs-in-the-u-s/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2021, 12:16:02 AM
Excuse the woeful naivety, but how well supported are Real & Barca amongst the Spanish-speaking communities over there?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:21:44 AM
Effectively from Southern California- Texas - Miami, Real Madrid or Barcelona are all Mexican / South American natives second team - after their Mexican club side or South American equivalent.

This doesn’t even account for some of the more northern cities like Chicago that also have high Hispanic populations.

Chelsea are small fry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
Excuse the woeful naivety, but how well supported are Real & Barca amongst the Spanish-speaking communities over there?

Number 1 and 2 overall according to the list I linked. I've genuinely no idea if Hispanophones of, say, Mexican or Puerto Rican descent feel any particular affinity with Spain.

In any case, it is still a minority sport over there.

I've been to a few NFL games in London and can't recall ever seeing, for instance, a Chargers fan. If the Chargers get a British superstar and win multiple Super Bowls, they'd be the most popular NFL team in Britain in very little time.

So it will be with casual American "soccer" fans if Pulisic achieves similar success. Which is what Chelsea will be hoping. In any case, as I said, he's genuine quality. They'd be mad to let him go, commercial reasons notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Like I said, Chelsea are small fry, see how Everton and Fulham got on in North America having Donovan and Dempsey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 04, 2021, 12:26:23 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt we’d get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:27:17 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
Pulisic has won how many European titles and PL titles with Chelsea?

Like I said, Chelsea could dominate the world ( which they won’t ) and they still wouldn’t scrape the surface of American viewers compared to others, Club Americas in Southern California are just one.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:33:26 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt we’d get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.

Part of me thinks this would be amazing and part of me thinks never go back. I dunno, can't decide. Not sure I fancy Watkins playing on the wing either, though he is definitely talented enough to do so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:35:51 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:36:00 AM
Pulisic has won how many European titles and PL titles with Chelsea?

Like I said, Chelsea could dominate the world ( which they won’t ) and they still wouldn’t scrape the surface of American viewers compared to others, Club Americas in Southern California are just one.

I was clearly talking about how many trophies they could win. You could try just reading my posts.

I've listed the most popular clubs in America already. In any case, they're not competing with Mexican clubs for fans. They want to be better supported than Man U, Liverpool, etc, and having an American megastar would give them a good chance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:38:23 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about.

Fair enough, I was using "America" to refer to the country USA, as per the common colloquial usage, as opposed to the continental landmass.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:40:39 AM
Yes, I'd forgotten all those titles that Everton and Fulham won, silly me.

Just because you say they're small fry, doesn't make it so. The Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, people are drawn to success, and Chelsea are one of its most successful teams.

If Clint Dempsey had won multiple Premier League titles at Fulham, they'd be hugely popular in America.

Not sure where this sits in this debate, but whilst I lived in Guatemala (America) the Premier League barely registered.  Mainly due to games kicking off around 8am but also the language/heritage. Ultimately Barca, Madrid, Athletico and the champions League were all the locals cared about.

Fair enough, I was using "America" to refer to the country USA, as per the common colloquial usage,  as opposed to the continental landmass.

I learnt that whilst there. They hated America being considered only the USA. They clearly trained me well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:43:38 AM
It's a fair point. I was talking about a player from USA but, still, I have long thought that the demonym "American" lacked precision but there isn't really an alternative for describing someone from that nation. USA-ian?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:48:40 AM
It's a fair point. I was talking about a player from USA but, still, I have long thought that the demonym "American" lacked precision but there isn't really an alternative for describing someone from that nation. USA-ian?

Check with a Canadian but North America(n) was their preference.

Regardless I think Pulisic would be an ideal signing. Chelsea must need to jettison some players to allow Tuchel to sign the players he want so there must be players we can pick up (barkley’s value now being eff all).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:51:17 AM
Regardless, I think we've no chance of signing Pulisic. Sadly. He's class.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 12:57:27 AM
Regardless, I think we've no chance of signing Pulisic. Sadly. He's class.

sadly I agree.  He played for my home town as a kid, brackley, so he he is from the midlands (when not american) but that’s not relevant to his career ambitions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 12:59:31 AM
I'm more interested in your overseas exploits now, sorry. 🙂

What took you to Guatemala? Is it nice? Struggling to think of too many places I know less about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2021, 01:07:54 AM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 01:14:09 AM
You and your mate were just biking your way round the Americas. Are you sure you're not Che Guevara?

I will add it to my list of places to visit if I ever get any money. 🙂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 02:23:04 AM
I think we have good first choices at RB, LB, CF, CB x2, GK, but apart from Keeper we need better backup options to cover for injury and loss of form.  I think first choice upgrades are needed on both wings because Trez isn't PL standard, AEG has one good game in 5 and Traore often goes from the sublime to the ridiculous in the same movement.   As for midfield, maybe a bit of a big unit to dominate it and provide competition for Luiz, SJM, and Sanson.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 03:07:47 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JD on April 04, 2021, 03:37:25 AM
Why are all your posts confrontational?

Chelsea are the fifth best supported club in America already according to research. You'd have to be a complete clown not to think having the pre-eminent American player might boost that standing.

Even if it doesn't, there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made even from being one of the better supported teams over there, so don't expect them to let a potential US superstar leave.

https://www.giltedgesoccer.com/most-popular-soccer-clubs-in-the-u-s/

Bunch of glory hunters  ;).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 06:47:27 AM
Abraham would make total sense. As would Tuanzebe.

Might as well get Glenn Whelan, Alan Hutton and a few others back 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 06:48:51 AM
Teams need to spend £50 mil to stand still.
Therefore we need to spend £100mil correctly, like we did last summer.

Keep upgrading 4-5 players each season in the squad and we’ll keep making progress.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 04, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 07:45:52 AM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2021, 08:08:47 AM
Swaris has made another £3bn, FFP is going out the window. We'll spend £100m easy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 04, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
I didn’t anticipate my suggestion of Pulisic causing quite such debate. I’d go along with the theory that it’s highly unlikely.
There’s many things that we couldn’t offer him but there’s a few that would appeal such as playing every game in an up and coming team being centred around him and Jack. He’d be our Robinho signing.
See also Gio Reyna, another probably out of our reach but I feel it’s the type of player and standard that we should be after if we’re serious about competing.
Maybe the owners will continue down the development route rather than ready made but the evidence is they’re very persuasive.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 04, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
Whilst I really loved him in the championship whenever I’ve seen him for manure he hasn’t looked great.  Plus the injuries of course.

Bring him back just for the song
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on April 04, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

After the two years when you went to get your bike back did he tell you it would be ready next week. ;)*

* Very old joke, sorry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: exigo on April 04, 2021, 10:23:52 AM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.

Stunning place. Best coffee in the world too, thanks to the volcanic foothills it's grown on there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 04, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
I'll be surprised if we spend less than £100 million. We are making great strides all the time and nothing about our board makes me think they'll say "mid table! That'll do!".
I doubt we’d get Abraham for less than $35m. Be great if we could get him for under $30m.

Part of me thinks this would be amazing and part of me thinks never go back. I dunno, can't decide. Not sure I fancy Watkins playing on the wing either, though he is definitely talented enough to do so.

That’s about where I am, too.
But, I do think Ollie and Tammy could play up front as a pair as they both can play along the line.
Tammy didn’t seem to play as an out and out centre forward, he frequently appeared out wide when he was with us. I don’t know how he plays at Chelsea, though
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 04, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
Some Belgian paper saying Engels might be off to Royal Antwerp in the summer, them having tried to sign him in January.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on April 04, 2021, 02:00:33 PM
Engels looks so good at the start of that season. I wonder what happened
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Confidence and I think other teams worked him out a bit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 04, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
It’s amazing.  Me and a mate were cycling through Central America and a combination of my bike being fooked, a volcano and the World Cup about to start meant we ended up in the historical capital of Antigua....  I stayed two years.

This is fantastic! The midwife who brought me into this world was from Antigua, and when I was in my early twenties I travelled out there to visit her. Fascinating place, lovely lady, bless her.

Yep, I've just spent a few weeks with someone from Antigua as a neighbour (he's the nicest man I've ever met), and Mrs SE went there 10 years ago and has put it next on our list.

I think you'd love it, mate! Enjoy!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
Would keep an eye on what Real Madrid do.

If they get Haaland would mean at least one of Jovic, Vinicius Jr or Rodrygo are potentially available on loan.

Jovic back scoring at Frankfurt and they're in very good shape to make top 4 in Bundesliga so he'll probably go back there full time but the other two have been in Brazil squads with Doug and perhaps even Wesley so you never know as Madrid loaned Odegaard out when he was regular start of the season.

I'd also look at someone like Daniel James from Man. United. Fits the profile of what we're looking at and while he's raw in many respects he is very quick and chips in with goals so would be interesting option for the right.

Certainly feels a summer where we really need to step things up and get in genuine quality in final third. The back up squad cover can be for the backline.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2021, 07:58:28 PM
I think Daniel James would have been good if it had been straight from Swansea. Seen it all too often where a player at one of the privileged clubs drags their feet over a transfer or feels like they're doing us a favour just by joining us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2021, 08:13:28 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

We can continue to sign up and comers aswell but last few weeks have shown we desperately need some more personality and quality in the front line so wouldn't say a 20 year old who's already played 73 games for Real Madrid would get overawed in games we play without Grealish.

Eventually we will have to start signing more proven players from the very top level in football as quite simply that's what Man. City and Chelsea started doing soon after taking over and both started winning stuff within 2-3 years.

Would be fine with Giroud or Tammy though if the Aguero to Chelsea rumour is true though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 04, 2021, 08:16:15 PM
Chelsea and Man City scattered hundreds of millions everywhere until something stuck. Hugely inefficient. Can't see us doing that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on April 04, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Well Aguero is reportedly wanting to stay in PL. How about showing the world the Villa mean business, the “Jack must go to a big club” talk is a load of b#####ks, the value of him at the training ground with Ollie and the young players coming through. Signing him would really show the owners intent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 04, 2021, 09:41:31 PM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 05, 2021, 09:41:01 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.

Oaxaca and San Cristobal (Chiapas generally are great places).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2021, 09:55:38 AM
From my limited experience here in south-west Mexico, if you go by the matches shown in bars and the punters' reactions to the games they take a passing interest in the CL, with a preference for Barcelona. I haven't seen any PL being shown. You see the odd Real Madrid shirt walking around. Lots more Boca shirts though. I think it's more baseball country round here though.

South West Mexico? You round Oaxaca way? Really nice part of the world.

The very same. Spent most of our time in Oaxaca City so far, which is wonderful. We came to the coast over Christmas and New Year (San Augustinillo/Mazunte), which was also wonderful. Came back to the coast the other day (Puerto Escondido), which is yet to win me over.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 05, 2021, 10:47:46 AM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

‘The boy Zidanes a t’rrific talent and wor delighted to have him.’
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 11:45:22 AM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 11:51:25 AM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?

The only thing I recall was Smith saying that he had two sporting directors who did a lot of the work, and while he had his input with them, they made his life as a football manager much easier.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2021, 12:01:51 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

‘The boy Zidanes a t’rrific talent and wor delighted to have him.’

I was watching a podcast of an interview with an ex-footballer who Bruce signed when he was at Blues.  He said Bruce completely froze him out of the first team picture after just a couple of months and when he went to see him to ask him why he had signed him in the first place, Bruce's reply was that he had scored against his teams a couple of times.  Sounds about right.
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Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 12:22:55 PM
Someone on the BBC live online text feed of the game yesterday said Smith's comments on expected transfer activity in the summer coming were alarming.

Does anyone know what comments were being referred to ?

The only thing I recall was Smith saying that he had two sporting directors who did a lot of the work, and while he had his input with them, they made his life as a football manager much easier.

English football manager praises directors? What witchcraft is this?!.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
I don't think we'd have employed Lange, given his CV, or the new recruitment lad if we were then just going to loan players from Real Madrid. Steve Bruce could even tell you the names of a few Real Madrid players!

‘The boy Zidanes a t’rrific talent and wor delighted to have him.’

I was watching a podcast of an interview with an ex-footballer who Bruce signed when he was at Blues.  He said Bruce completely froze him out of the first team picture after just a couple of months and when he went to see him to ask him why he had signed him in the first place, Bruce's reply was that he had scored against his teams a couple of times.  Sounds about right.

Hence Henri Lansbury.  Did Hogan also score against us when Bruce was manager?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 01:00:01 PM
No. Hogan never played against us when Bruce was manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 01:15:35 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
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Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 01:24:40 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
It may all be about opinions, but what the hell are you on?
Jones and Chamberlain: no thanks!
For Winks, read Sanson, Ramsey or Luiz.
McNeil - possibly, although I suspect he'll go to a Chumps League team.
Abraham - yes, if we can.

I'm amazed that your thorough analysis work has not prompted you to talk about cover at CB (realistic, not Jones!) and at LB.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
Abraham maybe, McNeill haven't seen enough to comment. The others: no. A fully fit Chamberlain would be good, but there is no such thing. Jones is wank, there's no way he would be willing to become back up and is worse than any of our starting defenders.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 01:32:27 PM
Anyway, Haaland and Messi for me, please Villa. Wouldn't mind Saint-Maximim, too.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 05, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Swaris has made another £3bn, FFP is going out the window. We'll spend £100m easy.

Where did you see this Ads?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villa for life on April 05, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
I don’t see Abraham as being an especially  talented footballer, but he does know where the goal is. Might work if Watkins moves out wide, but Watkins is the new Defoe so that would be a waste.

Try and buy players to improve service to Watkins. Buendia.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
I'm sure I read a quote from Abraham when he was here that he preferred to play from wide, that he didn't consider himself a 'natural' number 9.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 02:23:21 PM
2 potentially shrewd ones with experience (especially if we get into Europe/challenging for Europe)
Oxlade-Chamberlain and Phil Jones- an experienced head or 2 would be invaluable as ones who can a variety of roles and re development hunger and enthusiasm for game providing they stay fit.

Abraham:striker
Winks: midfield
McNeill:attacking wide
Oxlade-Chamberlain:versatile Midfielder
Phil Jones: defence versatile

I go for Winks McNeill and Abraham and think they should be our 3 key moves in summer
It may all be about opinions, but what the hell are you on?
Jones and Chamberlain: no thanks!
For Winks, read Sanson, Ramsey or Luiz.
McNeil - possibly, although I suspect he'll go to a Chumps League team.
Abraham - yes, if we can.

I'm amazed that your thorough analysis work has not prompted you to talk about cover at CB (realistic, not Jones!) and at LB.

Does Phil Jones still play or does he just do the Stan Laurel looky likey appearances now 🤔😀
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 05, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.
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Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.

His best wasn't good enough, christ knows what level he's at now. He was bought on potential, he was an absolute brick shithouse at 18, but he didn't develop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
For me, in priority order:

Big Strong DM
Young Left Back
Young Centre Back
Forward who can play across the line

The DM I'd be looking for someone in their mid-late 20s that we could potentially get the most out of whilst the U23 lot keep developing with loans and sub appearances. I'd probably be looking at the clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy that are just missing out on Europe but I don't have anyone in particular I'd be going for.

Up front i've given the names of the sort of players I'd be looking at before but I think it's crucial that they're good playing a bit wider as well as central.


The 2 defenders I'd prefer to be U23 so they're ok with being understudies and coming through as they develop, I'd still be looking for them to have a whole bunch of appearances to their name though, 21-22 year olds with 10-15 senior matches to their name are just too big a risk because you can only judge them on what they might turn out to be. Someone like Konsa is a good example of what to look for, signed as a 21 year old with over 100 appearances to his name.
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Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 04:39:30 PM
For me, in priority order:

Big Strong DM
Young Left Back
Young Centre Back
Forward who can play across the line

The DM I'd be looking for someone in their mid-late 20s that we could potentially get the most out of whilst the U23 lot keep developing with loans and sub appearances. I'd probably be looking at the clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy that are just missing out on Europe but I don't have anyone in particular I'd be going for.
Up front i've given the names of the sort of players I'd be looking at before but I think it's crucial that they're good playing a bit wider as well as central.
The 2 defenders I'd prefer to be U23 so they're ok with being understudies and coming through as they develop, I'd still be looking for them to have a whole bunch of appearances to their name though, 21-22 year olds with 10-15 senior matches to their name are just too big a risk because you can only judge them on what they might turn out to be. Someone like Konsa is a good example of what to look for, signed as a 21 year old with over 100 appearances to his name.
Can't disagree with any of this.
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Post by: eddiemunster on April 05, 2021, 04:42:23 PM
 Agree with most posters, that we need cover for LB, CB , DM and a player who can play on either wing.
 If Davis is sold/loaned out, and if Brentford don't get promoted, I'd have a cheeky punt for Ivan Tomey.
 I hope we don't waste £millions trying to purchase Barkley.
 More importantly, in my view, are we going to release/sell the likes of Taylor, Guilbert, Engels, and Elmohamady, and are we going to promote some of our youngsters or are we going to spend on more cover players??
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 04:51:02 PM
Agree with most posters, that we need cover for LB, CB , DM and a player who can play on either wing.
 If Davis is sold/loaned out, and if Brentford don't get promoted, I'd have a cheeky punt for Ivan Tomey.
 I hope we don't waste £millions trying to purchase Barkley.
 More importantly, in my view, are we going to release/sell the likes of Taylor, Guilbert, Engels, and Elmohamady, and are we going to promote some of our youngsters or are we going to spend on more cover players??

We won't be signing a right back, I think Guilbert will get a chance for the first half of the season and if Smith isn't happy with him Kessler will step up from the U23s, he looks pretty close already so by Christmas I think he'll be banging the door down anyway.

Engels (if he does go as expected) and Taylor probably need to be replaced because we don't seem to have anyone ready to step up yet.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
We were much better earlier in the season when Barkley was actually playing well. We need a good version of Barkley, an extra brilliant winger and another centre forward. Possibly an extra left back. I would give Elmo another a year at right back while we wait for Kessler to come through. I suspect Smith will want rid of Guilbert.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 05:17:23 PM
For fullback cover, we might need to consider a CM or defensive mid who can come in and play left back as required - similar to what Milner does now (but far younger than that, obv).

It's not that unusual on the continent, where sides with stretched resources can't afford two quality specialists in every position.

I don't see a left back who is already playing to a high standard in one of the better leagues coming in and being content to be back up to Targett.  But as a designated midfielder who can play in more than one position in the centre of the park and at the back, he may reason he'll see much more game time.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 06:21:22 PM
Phil Jones is past his best - we should be avoiding players like that.

I'm trying to find players of that calibre that's what I could come up with at the time with fair reasoning.
Do think an experienced player from a top 4 team should be looked at being brought in
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
The only experienced players we would be able to get from the top four will be those that are no longer good enough to play there. As that is where we are aiming for, I don't see the point.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 06:27:29 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Can play left back and left wing and still only 20.

He might have more of a chance at Spurzzz if Moaniniho is potted this summer, mind.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2021, 06:39:48 PM
I think competition and not cover is essential for this squad.
Basically having players push first team places

Centre back being someone to compete for a starting role
Full back who can play both sides like James Justin to push target and cash. (We were after Justin but he went to Leicester someone like this though)

A striker who proven to score goals and pushes Watkins if not up alongside. So that's Abraham.

Centre backs therefor would be likes of Zouma ,Laporte , Ake are gettable
And ok not top 4 but we could entice likes of Dunk ,Tarkowski, Egan , O'Connell
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Post by: Dave on April 05, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Hoffenheim I believe
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 07:01:09 PM
Ryan Sessegnon never quite kicked on after finally leaving Fulham for Tottingham and is on loan at Hertha this year.

Hoffenheim I believe


Bless you
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Post by: Des Little on April 05, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
Olise at Reading looks like the real deal, I’d like to think he’s on our list of possible targets, although I appreciate we’d be one of many clubs looking at him. Scored a great goal today as well.
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Post by: robleflaneur on April 05, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Neto from Wolves,young and mobile striker.
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Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
I think competition and not cover is essential for this squad.
Basically having players push first team places

Centre back being someone to compete for a starting role
Full back who can play both sides like James Justin to push target and cash. (We were after Justin but he went to Leicester someone like this though)
A striker who proven to score goals and pushes Watkins if not up alongside. So that's Abraham.
Centre backs therefor would be likes of Zouma ,Laporte , Ake are gettable
And ok not top 4 but we could entice likes of Dunk ,Tarkowski, Egan , O'Connell
Not Phil Jones then?!😁
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2021, 09:13:04 PM
David Neres from Ajax would be good imo. Not sure how he's doing but he was a regular in their CL SF run two seasons ago and can play CF or one of the wide positions so fits what we need.

Only 24 and I presume Doug knows him and think he has two years left on his deal so Ajax will want to cash in now.

Think that's the sort of step up in quality signing we should be looking at now.
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 09:16:15 PM
Sessegnon is a good shout.

Dunk, Egan, O'Connell aren't top 6 quality.

Tarkowski would be good but I don't think he's any better than Konsa and would certainly want to be starting games so I'm not sure.

Zouma, for me, looks too clumsy, at a club like Chelsea he gets away with it to an extent but I suspect he'd give away loads of free kicks playing for a team like us.

Ake is ok but plays left side and we have Mings and Hause there which is fine.

Laporte would be a fantastic signing but I suspect if he leaves it's to another CL club.

I think I'd prefer us to be looking at the U21 sides in the current euros (when the knock out rounds resume next month), I don't have any names to mention but in defence I don't think we need to be looking for players to start games immediately (3rd best defence in league remember) so I'd rather go for players that we can afford to let settle in.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 05, 2021, 09:20:40 PM
Saiss would be decent imo. Always looks rock solid for Wolves from what I see of them (o.k perhaps not tonight!) and he's played all of CB in back 3, LB and defensive midfielder in premier league so would be good utility player to have around and give a bit more flexibility to go 3 atb on occasions.

One year left on his deal there and they don't seem that bothered about giving him new deal given he's 31 but feels the sort who'd do a decent job filling in here and there as we're probably due loads of injuries at the back next season given we've got off relatively lightly in that area this year.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 05, 2021, 09:26:33 PM
What's Benni McCarthy up to these days?
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Post by: nigel on April 05, 2021, 09:55:55 PM
One for the future. Just read we’re interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 10:51:52 PM
One for the future. Just read we’re interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there

He looks very good, would fit in well with the U23s
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Post by: OzVilla on April 06, 2021, 12:03:50 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
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Post by: algy on April 06, 2021, 07:46:54 AM
One for the future. Just read we’re interested in a 16 year old forward Ajani Burchall from Bournemouth.
He rejected a scholarship to stay there
Good shout, would be a handy player to have around the U23s.
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Post by: steamer on April 06, 2021, 09:25:31 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
I agree.
options in driving midfielder , forward to compliment /stand in for Ollie and a winger
Youngster's to act as cover for backline
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 09:45:59 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we don’t have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.
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Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2021, 10:27:13 AM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we don’t have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.

Nakamba will be off I suspect. He isn't good enough with the ball really. We need an upgrade in that LCM position.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 10:51:24 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 06, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Agree with Smithy and paul_e about James Ward-Prowse.

When he first starting getting recognition, I didn't understand what the fuss was about, but I've watched his contribution in games more closely since and he looks really good.

Very mobile, works hard and (critically) intelligently in terms of recognising a threat or an opportunity. Clearly he has quality in terms of passing and set pieces and he is disciplined enough to do a job for the team - reference the last game against us that we were lucky to win.

He was used to counter Grealish and did well in that role, recognising the quality that Jack has.

He's 26 and has played over 260 PL games, so is low risk compared to players in other leagues. He also has his best years ahead of him.

As their Captain and someone who has been at the club since he was 8, he will be expensive, but if we are to progress we need to add players that are more 'proven' than 'potential'. UTV
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Post by: AV82EC on April 06, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).

Swap Loftus Cheek for Hojberg of Spurs and I agree. I thought Loftus Cheek utterly disappeared from the game second half after causing issues all 1st half.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
If Engles is away, Kristoffer Ajer at Celtic has been advised by the Norwegian national manager to move to further his career.

Has been one of their better players in a poor season.

A big unit at 6ft 6 but decent on the ball and still only 22. Can play centre back or defensive midfield.

The Scottish League isn't much cop admittedly, but Van Dyke and Dembele made the transition to a better standard with relative ease. He'll have good international experience as well from his time with Norway and in the CL/ Europa League with Celtic.

I'd see a deal like that as more likely than signing Tarkowski, Dunk (who looks like a plodder to me) or anyone else who has regularly featured for PL sides and will expect a starting place and wages to match from the off.

Good to have a Scandi centre half back n'all.

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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 11:42:54 AM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 06, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
It's quite nice having a transfer window coming up, and seeing names mentioned followed by a genuine discussion about whether they would improve what we already have in the first 11.

It feels like a long time since we've had that.  I've gotten so used to seeing the prospective players mentioned being so much better than what we already have, it feels strange to acknowledge we actually have some genuine quality in our side now!

For me, I think we need a solid CM and a wide forward, both of whom capable of coming straight into the side, then it's about competition at full-back and some better attacking options from the bench.

I'd like Ward-Prowse and Hudson-Odoi for the first two - both would cost a fortune, but would definitely improve us.

I really like ward-prowse but he's not what we need. Our biggest problem in midfield is that we've got no one who can bully the opposition, Barkley did it a bit when he came in and made us tick but since he got injured he's not done it and we've seen our ability to dominate midfield slowly disappear. They don't have to be a defensive midfielder, just someone who's up for the physicality of the game, almost every team in the league has someone like it and they look a matchwinner when they play us (in the last 10 games Soucek, Ndombele, Bissouma and Loftus-Cheek have all done it).

Swap Loftus Cheek for Hojberg of Spurs and I agree. I thought Loftus Cheek utterly disappeared from the game second half after causing issues all 1st half.

Indeed, I forgot about Hojbjerg. I included RLC simply because what he was doing in the first half was exactly the same thing as the others did but we eventually countered it by bringing Davis on and he bullied them back and it completely swung the game. I don't think a forward will always be the answer though so I'd like us to pick up a midfielder to do it.
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Post by: jwarry on April 06, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!

Declan Rice it is then!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 06, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
All successful teams have a decent midfield platform either 1 or 2 defensively capable.
Liverpoo, Fabinho, Chelsea had Makelele, Leicester had Kante and now have Tielemans and Ndidi, the list goes on.
We have Nakamba who most agree has limitations, Luiz is not a natural 6 and how any one could describe Sanson or SJM as DM material. We can keep playing them there but it will limit our capabilities elsewhere. We have seen it this season, we tighten up defense by asking our attacking players to tuck in and sit deeper and then have problems creating chances.

This.
Spot on!

Declan Rice it is then!
It'd be nice if Rice fancied a step down
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 06, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
I actually think this is one of the simpler transfer windows I can recall us going into.  Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.

Assuming we can keep Luiz we are well stocked in DM which is the other area I've seen touted on here - i'm fine with Luiz, Nakamba, Sansom and Ramsey battling for 1 spot. Obviously then we have Jack and SJM.

Whatever money we have available needs to be spent on 3 high end players - a winger, a centre forward and an attacking, ball carrying, inventive midfielder who can also be dangerous at set pieces (this is the key signing). Throw every penny at those signings.

We think we can trim the squad and maybe raise 30 mill - Hourihane, AEG, Trez, Elmo, Davis etc and maybe promote one or two from the u23's. 
fine except we don’t have a DM, only Nakamba comes close. Huge difference between playing DM and being a DM,
.


Seems Doug is a new online boo boy for some reason. Yes he hasn't been in great form for a few months now but it's wrong to say he's been rubbish in every single game in that period.

Surely given we have a top 5 defence the DM should get a huge amount of credit for that and Doug has played 90% of the games just like Kante and Henderson get credit when their respective teams post top 5 defensive statistics.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 06, 2021, 10:52:57 PM
He's also really young. He is still developing. He's already better than, say, Delph at the same age and he was excellent for us, until he turned out to be a twat.
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Post by: DB on April 06, 2021, 11:11:34 PM
That Bellingham looks decent, imagine if we signed him after the Blose retired his shirt. Chortle.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 06, 2021, 11:11:52 PM
I’ve no concerns about Douglas Luis whatsoever. He’s 100% a starter next season for me. I actually think this dip in form could be a blessing if it throws off Citeh.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2021, 11:22:09 PM
I’ve no concerns about Douglas Luis whatsoever. He’s 100% a starter next season for me. I actually think this dip in form could be a blessing if it throws off Citeh.

Yup.
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Post by: john2710 on April 07, 2021, 12:11:13 AM
We'll need a backup left back & centre-half to replace Taylor & Engels. Maybe younger players from the Championship or Europe.

Kesler will step up to cover right back, of the U23's he's the one who looks physically ready. Guilbert will go back to France.

A big solid defensive midfielder - Sander Berg from Shef Utd. Probably to replace Nakamba.

A creative midfielder to replace Barkley, with Ramsey as backup.

A wide player to upgrade on El Ghazi & / or Trez.

A forward who can play across the front line or maybe see how Wesley is. Davies to go out on loan.

That's 6 new players, 2 of them starters. That's going to cost upwards of £120m. Starters like Luiz & McGinn will be under pressure to stay in the team.

Some of the U23's to go on loan.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 12:16:30 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 07, 2021, 12:42:53 AM
Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.


Can't agree with this bit.  Our back up fullbacks are Elmo and Taylor, neither of whom are at the required level.  Our back up CBs are Hause who is solid but not great on the ball, and Engels, who looked dreadful in his last few appearances, hasn't played for ages and appears to be on his way out.  A couple of injuries and our solid defence would be rather ropey I think.
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Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 07, 2021, 03:34:46 AM
Defensively we are fine right across the back four and goalkeeper with some depth.


Can't agree with this bit.  Our back up fullbacks are Elmo and Taylor, neither of whom are at the required level.  Our back up CBs are Hause who is solid but not great on the ball, and Engels, who looked dreadful in his last few appearances, hasn't played for ages and appears to be on his way out.  A couple of injuries and our solid defence would be rather ropey I think.

Agree with this. Our back up fullbacks aren't very good. Hause has done well when called upon, but maybe injury prone. I don't think we should give up on Engels just yet.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 08:39:43 AM
There’s no way Engels is ever getting a look in under Smith again.
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
Isn't Taylor out of contract anyway?

Mings and Hause can play there if required. The young lads coming through might be worth a look too.

Engels is fine as a back up in the centre.

Guilbert will be back in the summer as back up to Cash.

We've been linked with midfielders such as Berge. And forwards like Abraham and King. Those are the areas of the pitch that we could do with some cover in.

I'm hoping we get to see more of Davis because he has lots of potential. I reckon next season could be his breakthrough but I'd still like another player with pace.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 09:07:51 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 09:11:19 AM
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

Yup - like Spurs did with Rodon or Everton with Godfrey. Someone who will come in, knows that they are probably behind Mings and Konsa to start with but will get chances, and with the confidence to think that they will push one of them (probably Mings) out of the side.

Much like Konsa did.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 07, 2021, 09:47:49 AM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
A Godfrey-type would be great, really good young defender who can play anywhere along the back.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

Yep Engels was rumoured to have had a row with Smith about his training methods I seem to recall. He was then frozen out, but when given a chance, came in and did *that* against Spurs, at which point Dean probably thought "bollocks to you".
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 07, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
there's no point in keeping Engels if Smith has an issue with him. We need someone who generate proper competition for Mings and Konsa to keep pushing them. And, if Engles has hardly played for a year, he probably won't be ready when required.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 10:06:32 AM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
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Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2021, 10:17:24 AM
I really like Engels. Imagine if that header had gone in at Wembley and we had ground-out Extra Time to win on pens...he'd be a hero now.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 07, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
Think there was some row Engels had with Smith after the home defeat to Southampton where Shane Long tore him a new one.

Hause despite his limitations has done well for us when called upon this season. But it's an area we need to strengthen over the summer.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 10:23:58 AM
I liked him too, don't think Smith does though.
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Post by: Daley’s dreads on April 07, 2021, 10:31:56 AM
I’ve seen oil tankers turn quicker than Engels - think he will be off. Not sure how much we will get for him now though. Definitely a young, versatile defender to come in for me. Aina maybe at full back. Can play both sides.
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Post by: in exile on April 07, 2021, 11:13:29 AM
We need to be spending BIG in the summer transfer window in my opinion, if we are serious about progressing into a top six side.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 07, 2021, 11:40:52 AM
there's no point in keeping Engels if Smith has an issue with him. We need someone who generate proper competition for Mings and Konsa to keep pushing them.

Good luck with that.
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
Rather than competition for Mings and Konsa, I think what we need to have is competent replacements should they need to miss any games. Hause didn't cost much and looked good when he came in for Mings but spends a lot of time on the injured list. We could do with a right footed equivalent who doesn't have an injury track record and would be comfortable playing on the left as well as the right.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 07, 2021, 12:07:05 PM
Goalkeeper - no changes.  Competent back ups for Martinez.  If Heaton leaves it probably means a step up from youth for the back up to Steer.

Right Back.  No changes.  Guilbert solid back up.  Young kid If necessary.

Left Back.  Cover for Targett.  Ryan Sessegnon.

Centre Half.  One more cover.  Engels to go.  Someone from Brentford most likely.  Or the captain from Cheltenham.  The bloke who played well against Citeh. 

Midfield.  Box to box midfielder needed.  Genuine pace and energy.  Dele Alli?  As someone said the other day a consistently decent version of Barkley.  At least one or preferably two new wingers.  El Ghazi to leave for definite.  Sessegnon converted possibly. 

Forward.  Keep Davis.  Sign another but proven striker to work alongside Ollie or instead of if we change system during a game and put Ollie on the wing.

I’m struggling for some names but those are the positions we need to improve I think.

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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 07, 2021, 12:11:45 PM
Surely the priority is going to be improve the first X1 in positions we do not have top 6 level players.
That is Defensive Midfield and Attacking wide Player Centre .
Then getting back up  in the areas that are weak which is RB  LB CF .

 
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 12:19:18 PM
Surely the priority is going to be improve the first X1 in positions we do not have top 6 level players.
That is Defensive Midfield and Attacking wide Player Centre .
Then getting back up  in the areas that are weak which is RB  LB CF .

Makes sense.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 07, 2021, 12:27:49 PM
Agreed - first choice first - hence the replacement wingers have to be first choices.  The striker is going to either work with or interchange with Ollie.  The law of averages suggest that he might need a break at some point.  I think the current first choice defence is okay - with the possible exception of Mings but he is a real leader on the pitch.
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 12:36:24 PM
I think the only major gap right now is a big physical midfielder (doesn't need to be particularly defensive though) so that's the number one priority for me. This replaces Barkley/Hourihane in the squad.

After that we need a couple of back up options in defence to replace Taylor, Elmo and Engels who are all probably leaving.

Once that's done we have everything we need but with question marks over Wesley (mainly fitness) and AEG still not stepping up to fulfil his potential still I'd be tempted to let the latter go and bring in someone who can play wide or central and gives us options.

I do see why people are talking about a winger or 2 as priority but for me our midfield has been the problem in the last few months and once that's addressed I think our attacking players will show they are better than we've seen recently.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
He's also really young. He is still developing. He's already better than, say, Delph at the same age and he was excellent for us, until he turned out to be a twat.

yeah I think an issue is like last season where he seemingly couldn't managed games for 90 minutes and was better as impact sub until the run in...being a starter for a 40 game season and keeping up his consistancy is a little beyond him at his age so far.

Let's remember Brazil are starting him game after game in last year so they know he's a serious player and he'll be good again for us next season.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:50:00 PM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

I agree. Gulibert loan was just to get some French club to pay a couple of million euros for him, either the one he's at or someone else. Can't see him playing for us again.

Engels hasn't played a single minute for us since March 2020 if I've got that right so he'll want to move on for sake of his career and we have to be careful not to have too many demotivated players on fringes in our squad as that impacted in MON era although it's slightly different dynamic now.

Loads of decent CBs around we can get who could do a Konsa as others have said. Fine with Hause sticking around as he was excellent over xmas so shown he can come in for 4-5 games in a season and do a job and is low cost back up.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Rumours Wolves will sell Neto this summer as Fosun funds are starting to run dry Lerner style...

Wonder what year we'll do the big club thing of going to rival and taking their best player for 40/50m? Last time we did that was Bent but in typical Villa fashion in last decade we signed him at the wrong time so it wasn't a signing as good as it could've been.

Before that, Dublin, Merson, Ginola? So way back.

Would be a hugely exciting signing anyway as he's a very good player.
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Post by: Ian. on April 07, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
I do hope we go for Neto, he’s a great player. Even the other night when he was a bit out of sorts he was a threat. He looked very frustrated too. Wolves certainly are not making the most of some of their attacking players at the moment.
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 01:19:05 PM
Seems to me Smith doesn't really have any regard for either Engels or Guilbert for whatever reason.  In the case of Guilbert at least it would appear to be something beyond his actual ability because he was doing ok.  Wasn't there also supposed to have been some kind of fall-out with Engels too? It's possible he's has only been on the bench because Smith has no other cover with Hause injured.
   

I agree. Gulibert loan was just to get some French club to pay a couple of million euros for him, either the one he's at or someone else. Can't see him playing for us again.

I make no claim of being an expert on Ligue 1, but I think he's done pretty well for Strasbourg. Enough to make someone slightly richer than them come in for him I expect.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
I think the only major gap right now is a big physical midfielder (doesn't need to be particularly defensive though) so that's the number one priority for me. This replaces Barkley/Hourihane in the squad....
... our midfield has been the problem in the last few months and once that's addressed I think our attacking players will show they are better than we've seen recently.
That's exactly as I see it. With JG, McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey Major, Traore, Trez, Chuk, Ramsey Minor and L Barry we are well-served in front of a new strong CMF (think Declan Rice or Jordan Henderson as the blue-print to recruit on) and behind / alongside Watkins.
We do not an alternative / cover for Watkins, of course. Davis adds further tactical scope if he shows his capability in the next 9 games.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:26:24 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!

Why you!

*Shakes fist angrily in direction of mobile phone screen.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:26:46 PM
Plus, as I think cdbullyweefan has pointed out in the past, defenders and the buying of them is a bit uncool, square and boring. Hep cats discuss the merits of spunking the budget on Coutinho.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 07, 2021, 02:34:43 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).

I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.

Personally I think we'd be well set up for a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 formation - or at least trialling it.

The danger with three at the back is it can become 5 if you have three centre halves who are effectively just stoppers and the wing backs get pegged deep. With most sides playing one up top these days that's a waste of resources that can be used further forward.

But in Mings and Konsa we have two pacey centre backs who can get up and and support the play as required and are more than comfortable doing the defensive stuff as well.

With an attack focused 3-4-3, you would have - as an example - a left centre half in Mings who has played left back for the majority of his career and can bomb forward, you could have a player like Sessegnon wide left who has played in various positions on that flank and could drop in to cover, with Grealish on the left of an attacking front three with licence to cut in and roam. In that scenario Targett would miss out which would be harsh, but could suit us against some opponents.

I don't think we've played that formation once under Smith yet, mind.  So the chances of seeing it are slim to none.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Just no! How many times! Three centre backs is the work of the Devil! 😡

Next person to suggest it gets added to my Enemies List. I'm warning you! You don't want to end up on a list with Bono, do you?
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Post by: Dave on April 07, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:38:41 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.

Maybe, but I was thinking more samba-style swaggering up the pitch than ashen-faced cowering out of the way.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:38:55 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
I do agree that it's probably not worth persevering with permanently for reasons the Witchfinder of Yardley says, but when played properly with a proper sweeper and wing-backs it was good to watch. Then came John Gregory, a flat back five and a defensive midfielder.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:46:55 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
Exactly. If we must sign a defender, he should be a Roberto Carlos type that never bothers defending and only cares about free kicks.

I feel that most of the full-backs we've signed for the last ten years are the sort that never bother defending.

Or going forward, or indeed, looking like a professional footballer at all. (Obviously this does not apply to the current incumbents).
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:49:12 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

Is the missing answer "Zombie Rangers" and the question "What do posters that use multiple aliases obsess about most"?
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 07, 2021, 02:50:13 PM
Summer List for me:

Striker (Tammy)
Winger at least x1 maybe x2 - (Brooks from Bournemouth)
CM - Upgrade on Barkley (Olise)
DM - Some proper enforcer
LB - Competition for Targett  - (Rico Henry)
CB - Upgrade on engels and someone to properly challenge Konsa/Mings  (Dunk)
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 02:52:39 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 07, 2021, 02:55:10 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?
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Post by: Mellin on April 07, 2021, 02:55:27 PM
Did we not learn the lessons from only having three centre backs from, what, 3 years ago?
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
Summer List for me:

Striker (Tammy)
Winger at least x1 maybe x2 - (Brooks from Bournemouth)
CM - Upgrade on Barkley (Olise)
DM - Some proper enforcer
LB - Competition for Targett  - (Rico Henry)
CB - Upgrade on engels and someone to properly challenge Konsa/Mings  (Dunk)


That's too many changes for me, 2-4 in the summer and 1-2 in the winter should be the aim for the transfer windows if you're managing things properly. Aside from that you've given 5 names, 1 is a bit part player at a decent team, 1 is a regular in a bottom half of the league squad and 3 are decent championship players. I'd hope that we're aiming a little higher than that because that lot would probably mean a stronger squad but I don't think they'd improve the team very much.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:55:43 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)
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Post by: Risso on April 07, 2021, 02:56:22 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.

It depends on how good your players are. It was working extremely well for Chelsea until their last match. Obviously if you're up against a better team, it becomes a 5-3-2, but if you're using it on the front foot with good attacking full backs, it could work, especially when you have two players as good as Cash and Targett.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

Is the missing answer "Zombie Rangers" and the question "What do posters that use multiple aliases obsess about most"?

I'll reply using one of my other usernames later.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 02:58:52 PM
Any system that leaves a team with players Chelsea have open to the shellacking they got from a pile of shite like the Albion needs binning, pronto.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 03:01:52 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)

I agree with LeeB.
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Post by: Border villan on April 07, 2021, 03:05:55 PM
Bono
Dave Woodhall

We need evidence that they are not one and the same person.
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Post by: LeeB on April 07, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
"No, it's not the fecking programme, but if you don't buy it kids die in Africa because of YOU, ya bollocks!"
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Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 03:15:40 PM
I hate playing 3 centre backs, literally the only time I think it works is if you come up against a team like Liverpool who play 2 wide forwards and a 10.

As an attacking system it can work for a little while but gets found out and once that happens you just don't score enough goals.

Football is, at the most fundamental level, all about making the opposition players be where you want them to be, take this weekend for example, we want Trent and Robertson playing in a flat back 4 and scared to come forward, that was a big part of how we beat them so convincingly at home because we broke their shape. 352 and 343 are 2 of the easiest systems to drag players out of position in and once teams figure out the players to target when doing it things unravel very quickly, watch Sheffield United from the start of last season and the start o this, mostly the same players in the same formation but their heatmaps/average positions are completely different and it's reflected in how poor they've been.

It depends on how good your players are. It was working extremely well for Chelsea until their last match. Obviously if you're up against a better team, it becomes a 5-3-2, but if you're using it on the front foot with good attacking full backs, it could work, especially when you have two players as good as Cash and Targett.

but if you have players that are so good what benefits do you get from playing 3 centre backs? As I said I think there's just too many ways to counter it compared to 4 at the back and someone sweeping in front as a DM. You have the same number of defensive players but they just fit together better in almost all circumstances.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 07, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !
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Post by: CT on April 07, 2021, 03:48:10 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !

He must have set up a pretty high percentage of John Carew’s goals. They linked up so well.
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Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Drop Mings and Play Cash, Konsa and Targett as a 3......... :-)
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2021, 04:09:30 PM
What has Brooks done this season at Bournemouth to think he'd help us make the next step? Plus they'd want ridiculous money for him based on very little.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 07, 2021, 05:05:29 PM

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Or your wingers are, and so you ask Cash and Targett to play as wing backs instead.

Buy better wingers.

Kids, just say no (to three centre backs)

I agree with LeeB.

It's not like me to agree with cd and LeeB, but on this one occasion I do tend to. Three centre halves is the system we'd play if the Tories sacked Dean and outsourced the management of the side to Serco.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 07, 2021, 06:18:21 PM
Exciting Wingers please, similar to Ashley Young at his peak.

Is Rashica still available?

He's one of the best Aston Villa players and most exciting Villa players to play in the premier league and I've ever seen! Won the PFA Young Player of the Year what a talent he was and even now at Inter. And fair play to his resurgence at Man Utd and becoming captain there. And playing in world cup semi final. Youngy still has a lot of love for Villa

Those were the days! Young and Milner wonderful players and both showed later in career they can play wing back and fullback !

I think Ashley Young is the most exciting player I've seen for us, before he moved into the middle and wasn't as good. Possibly Grealish too.

Solano and Benteke had their moments as well.
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Post by: DrGonzo on April 07, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
I still feel that McGinn is not being used to his fullest playing so deep.  That corker he scored for Scotland shows exactly what he is capable of if he plays up and around the opposition area. We need the new Makelele, whatever his name is..?
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Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2021, 06:47:08 PM
Well, I'm delighted to have lit the blue touch-paper under you non 352-likers.

And my message to you lot is: the Left Side / Tiswas / Celtic / Fuck 'em off!!)
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Post by: brontebilly on April 07, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
Do we have to replace Engels? How many minutes has he played? If we qualify for Europe, sure. If not, we have more pressing needs.
Depends if you want to go into next season hoping that both Mings and Konda will continue to stay squeaky-clean fit; and, whether we think Hause alone will cover our potential needs. I'd like to think, also, that Smith comes to realise that having the option to play 3-5-2 is useful at times (as many other teams do in this division), for which a 3rd good CB would be necessary.
We need CB back-up; as others have said, a young CB from the Championship or another Premier-League academy (i.e. another Konsa if possible).
I hate 3-5-2 so it's a no from me. Not against the idea of signing another centre half but if we aren't in Europe, I'd be happy enough with Mings, Konsa and Hause as our options.
I know you do; why do you think I mentioned it?!
Many of the top teams have a 3-5-2 option in their armoury; but, Smith doesn't appear to fancy it.
Getting in another back-up CB is still - IMHO - a necessity in the summer.

You only play that if your centre halves are crap, ours aren't so it's a waste.

Didn't we do ok with McGrath, Ugo and Southgate? Staunton too at times. Would be good to have the option there, Tuanzebe would be a good fit I think for that role and could RB too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 08:06:18 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2021, 08:10:09 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.

Brian Little liked it. Put him on your list and you'll be thrown in the canal to see if you float.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on April 07, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
If we play 'The WM Formation' does it mean we will play all of the anti Villa nutters that phone in on a weekly basis? Also would 'Polly' get in the side ahead of Ross Barkley?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
The 3 at the back under Little was different because, at the heart of it, we had one of the greatest defenders to have ever played the game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2021, 09:21:29 PM
We did very well with the WM formation but that doesn't mean we should play it now. And who is to say those 90s Villa sides that did so well wouldn't have done even better with four at the back and an extra creative player in there?

And a big no to Tuanzebe for me. Nobody injury prone, thanks. In any case he isn't going to leave Man United's bench to sit on ours.

Brian Little liked it. Put him on your list and you'll be thrown in the canal to see if you float.

I liked Brian, but I wouldn't want him as manager now. I would want three centre backs now, either. Some things are better left in the past. Did you see the remake of "Porridge"?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 07, 2021, 11:01:14 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SirSteveUK on April 08, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 08, 2021, 04:18:35 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 

I'm not sure a team of Dion Dublins would work.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 08, 2021, 06:57:02 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 

My preference is to strengthen the XI first as each new first teamer, in turn, strengthens the squad.  For example I think a world class winger should be a greater priority than competition for Watkins.  After that buy the best youngster.  If the squad is too full then their pathway to the team will be restricted and the best are less likely to come.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on April 08, 2021, 07:01:01 AM
The problem is that we tend to think in terms of a 1st XI and a 2nd XI

How about a 1st XXII ??  We should aim to have every position (bar GK)  covered by two equals - or as close to it as you can get. Deciding who should play in each position should be a matter of inches.

 
Unless we’re on the cusp of winning trophies like Man City I don’t think we’re in a position yet to be buying that much quality in depth. Also keeping that standard of player happy while not playing is another issue we are no where near rest for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldn’t agree more - with right players it’s a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
Would definitely hope that part of the brief Lange has been working on is to find a player who can be first team regular but is a high quality deliverer of set pieces because we haven’t had great threat from them most of this season.  I’ve watched Ward-Prowse a lot this season and he is top, top quality with set piece delivery bit as I have said before I can’t work out if he is actually a good player in open play?

Think we will see a big turnaround in defence where it is likely Guilbert, Engels, Hause, Elmo, Taylor & probably Revan will all depart....from the u23’s you’d expect Kessler to step up as back up right back...like what I have seen of Bogarde & Chrisene but sure they’ll probably spend next season with the 23’s or out on loan so we will need some reinforcements at left back to back up Targett (competition would be even better) & centre half x2, Tuanzebe would always be high on my wish list there to be the right sided Konsa competition and hopefully a left sided centre back from the continent to give Mings a run.

Midfield if Nakamba wants to go then we will need a more physical option in there.

Front 3 obviously depends on whether Jack is still here - Tammy seems an obvious choice up top if available  - I’m sure we’ll have another summer hearing the name Rashica, I only watched him play a couple of times after restart when Bundesliga was ahead of the curve and wasn’t impressed but that was a time when nobody really impressed.  Would definitely let El Ghazi go & if we could get a replacement Trez too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
Would prefer to work towards a strong 16/17 and then the rest of the squad made up of promising young players coming through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 08, 2021, 01:20:18 PM
I would like Tammy - but would he accept our bench from Chelsea's as i am sure Dean will stick with a lone striker

Replace midfield flair we hoped, and saw glimpses of from Barclay with Deli Ali

Wide attacker - not sure how Rashica has performed since we were looking at him (just had a look and not great is i believe the answer)

LB and LW - I still like Ryan Sessignon as he covers both positions

We need real quality 1st teamers
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 08, 2021, 01:31:17 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.


I read that and thought , what utter bollocks!  they are not even trying
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Moonraker on April 08, 2021, 01:46:56 PM
FI also say that Lee Hendrie says Villa should "look to Brentford" to buy players from. Thanks for the tip FI..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 08, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
According to well known source of fact Football Insider, Dean is going to be replaced by Steven Gerrard this summer.  It is sort of transfer gossip I suppose.
Bye, Dean - thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 08, 2021, 02:32:10 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
Sessegnon is still a good shout; and was last summer when mooted by several people here, several times. Played 16 times in the Bundesliga with 2 goals and 2 assists.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on April 08, 2021, 02:42:13 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!

Or buy Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2021, 04:08:12 PM
Aston Villa fans have taken to Twitter in delight after The Telegraph‘s John Percy revealed that Matty Cash in is line for a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 08, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldn’t agree more - with right players it’s a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back

I also don't see how it's overly defensive - if used correctly.

Four at the back is a remnant from when two sides regularly played 4-4 meat and two veg. So the two centre halves picked up the little and large forward combo that were de rigueur back then. The full-backs picked up the wingers and so on.

But with sides usually playing just one up top today, you can make the argument that two regular centre halves in a back four is often overkill.   If you played three Eric Dyer-style plodders at the back and defensive fullbacks (or your wing backs are so shit they can't get forward and dominate) then yes, that could look defensive.

But Ajax's 3-4-3 or 3-1-4-1-1 under Van Gaal in the 90s and other interpretations since wasn't defensive.

We have two pacey centre backs who have both played as full-backs (and in Konsa's case as a midfielder) before so if any side was to trial something like that to give us more options in attack, it could be us.  If you come up against sides such as Man Citeh, Liverpool etc and try to match them in formation, more often than not they'll beat you with their superior players in a straight match up. The key is to get a man over in parts of the pitch than can hurt them or forces them to adjust.

Against all that:  A manager needs to have faith in the formation he plays. Smith seems a thoughtful, progressive enough sort. For all we know, he's trialled it in training and isn't convinced of the benefits.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2021, 04:46:08 PM
Mbappe is entering final year of his contract at PSG. Time for Lange to start talking to his agent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
The Meaning Evil is linking us with Toney now from Brentford - I think I said in the last "summer" window thread we should have just cut out the middle-man and bought him from Peterborough ourselves!!

Or buy Brentford.
We effectively have over the last 2/3 seasons. It's our southern academy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2021, 05:22:25 PM
I've always liked 3-5-2, mainly because Brian Little's woefully under-rated team played it.

Couldn’t agree more - with right players it’s a good system, particularly if you have good enough players to switch systems....the insistence on 433 every week is more of an issue than having ability to play 3 at back

I also don't see how it's overly defensive - if used correctly.

Four at the back is a remnant from when two sides regularly played 4-4 meat and two veg. So the two centre halves picked up the little and large forward combo that were de rigueur back then. The full-backs picked up the wingers and so on.

But with sides usually playing just one up top today, you can make the argument that two regular centre halves in a back four is often overkill.   If you played three Eric Dyer-style plodders at the back and defensive fullbacks (or your wing backs are so shit they can't get forward and dominate) then yes, that could look defensive.

But Ajax's 3-4-3 or 3-1-4-1-1 under Van Gaal in the 90s and other interpretations since wasn't defensive.

We have two pacey centre backs who have both played as full-backs (and in Konsa's case as a midfielder) before so if any side was to trial something like that to give us more options in attack, it could be us.  If you come up against sides such as Man Citeh, Liverpool etc and try to match them in formation, more often than not they'll beat you with their superior players in a straight match up. The key is to get a man over in parts of the pitch than can hurt them or forces them to adjust.

Against all that:  A manager needs to have faith in the formation he plays. Smith seems a thoughtful, progressive enough sort. For all we know, he's trialled it in training and isn't convinced of the benefits.

It's reliant on dominating the ball, if you're getting 45%-ish possession then it will naturally become a back 5 and gives you the problem of leaving huge amounts of space for opposition full backs. that's the main reason it's not used more, most decent teams have full backs that will hurt you if you let them have space.

I agree that getting an extra man or creating gaps is the key but my personal preference, as I've mentioned many times, is to play a 4312 without an outright centre forward so you leave their centre backs with no one to mark. With the current squad Jack in as a 10/false 9 Watkins inside left and Traore inside right would be my choice. I'd then go with Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn and ask McGinn to get into the box late whenever he can. Defensively it becomes a 4 with Jack dropping in a touch so McGinn and Luiz can support the fullbacks and we can leave the front 2 high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2021, 05:36:08 PM
Mbappe is entering final year of his contract at PSG. Time for Lange to start talking to his agent.

Leave it to Sawiris!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
The 3 at the back under Little was different because, at the heart of it, we had one of the greatest defenders to have ever played the game.

McGrath was being eased out at that time IIRC. Can't remember how much of a regular he was in 95/96 but certainly not playing early part of 96/97 and soon moved on to Derby.

The genius from SBL was deciding Southgate could play in there as he was mainly a DM at Crystal Palace and him and Ugo were great mix with Staunton playing a fair bit as LCB.

Brian Little said in his book he went against his instincts in summer 1997 moving away from that formation just to fit Collymore in. Pretty sure Yorke started that season playing in midfield for some bizarre reason and that got scrapped after the first 4 games.

I think we could play a 3-4-2-1 pretty comfortably with what we've got. Worth noting for instance Douglas Luiz played a fair bit in a back 3 for Girona for instance so I'd be intrigued him slotting alongside Mings and konsa at the back which could allow us to sign the mythical 10ft tall DM and we could do the two number 10s thing that worked briefly well under Sherwood with Jack and Traore floating off the CF.

Decent plan B option.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 08, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
I'm not really in to a back 3 option.  I think more than any other position, a good defensive partnership is all about stability (think Dixon - Adams - Bould/Keown - Winterburn at Arsenal, or Maldini - Baresi - Costacurta - Tassotti at Milan).  Both of those played basically the same back 4 in practically every game for a decade or more.  They were also rock solid defences.  I'm all for saying that our current back 4 should be playing together for a good while yet, and we shouldn' t look to massively disrupt what's already one of the best defences in the league.

I think there's a massive case, though, for us to be able to play a number of 4-defender-based formations, and to be able to swap between them during the match.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 08, 2021, 11:23:35 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.

I think we will struggle to hold onto the likes of Guilbert and Nakamba this summer. Smith gave them precious little game time this season so I'd expect both will try and move on. Davis and Heaton will both be off on loan surely bar a late season surge from Davis.

I think we will see a lot of change this summer in personnel with some of our promotion winners and Suso's signings moving on. Barkley leaving too obviously. That's before the Grealish situation plays out over the summer again. Do we have another young gun like Ramsey capable of stepping up next season into the first team squad?

Left centre mid bruiser, some options at the back, backup to Watkins and replacement for Barkley required as a priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 09, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
A back 3 too easily becomes a back 5 and I don't know why we're looking to go away from a back 4 that's worked so well for us.

For me, our problems are -
1) The lack of a high quality number 10 which worked really well before Barkley's injury and meant Jack could be more influential.
2) A lack of creativity in the side when we have neither a quality number 10 or Jack. A quality wide player would help so that we would then have Jack, a number 10 and another. Then if Jack's out for a time, we still have 2 creative outlets in the side.
3) Shoehorning an out-of-form Luiz and a player like McGinn, who's not an out-and-out defensive midfielder, as the 2 anchors that are needed to make 4-2-3-1 work. Sign a quality out-and-out defensive midfielder for genuine competition for places and ensure that if you're not in form, you don't play.

Elmohamaday, Taylor, Engels, Guilbert, Nakamba, El Ghazi, Hourihane and possibly Heaton I would speculate are likely to leave.

Kaine-Kesler will probably become understudy to Matty Cash and we may look to add squad depth through some of the kids. Sinisalo becoming third choice keeper if Heaton leaves. Maybe Revan, Bridge or Bogarde (longer-term) being back-up to Mings/Konsa/Hause.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
The consensus is that we need to recruit players that will improve the starting line-up and also that we find opportunities to develop our emerging and talented youngsters.

Obviously I agree with that.

Beyond that, it appears some want 'good back-up' options and that is inevitably part of assembling the most competitive squad.

Though I think, particularly in attacking areas, we need players that are at least as good as those that are picked for a particular game, i.e. of comparable quality so that we can make changes when for a number of reasons we are not creating chances (an off day for a player that starts, how the opposition has set up, etc.)

In such circumstances our options should include players that offer something a bit different BUT are still of the quality we need to be competing at the top end of the PL. Hence Traore has to be part of the picture for me - to start and come off if not working or to be on the bench to come on to try and spark a change.

One of the barriers to our progress now is if Grealish is neutralised or Traore is not 'on it' or we are providing Watkins with poor or limited service.

Our bench now is very poor at offering options to address. UTV
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2021, 01:10:58 PM
The consensus is that we need to recruit players that will improve the starting line-up and also that we find opportunities to develop our emerging and talented youngsters.
Obviously I agree with that.
Beyond that, it appears some want 'good back-up' options and that is inevitably part of assembling the most competitive squad.
Though I think, particularly in attacking areas, we need players that are at least as good as those that are picked for a particular game, i.e. of comparable quality so that we can make changes when for a number of reasons we are not creating chances (an off day for a player that starts, how the opposition has set up, etc.)
In such circumstances our options should include players that offer something a bit different BUT are still of the quality we need to be competing at the top end of the PL. Hence Traore has to be part of the picture for me - to start and come off if not working or to be on the bench to come on to try and spark a change.

One of the barriers to our progress now is if Grealish is neutralised or Traore is not 'on it' or we are providing Watkins with poor or limited service.

Our bench now is very poor at offering options to address. UTV
Your point about Grealish is why I suggested elsewhere that Brighton's Trossard might be worth adding to our squad. He seems to be a hard-working, skillful player who can do different things as well as find a decent pass.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
I'd be quite happy if we started next season like:

Martinez
Cash - Konsa - Mings - Targett
Douglas Luiz - New DM
Traore - McGinn - Grealish
Watkins

With Neil Taylor replaced by an up-and-coming leftback, Engels likewise, and AEG replaced by a better left winger. Bit of stability, just the 4 players in, 3 players out 2 of which are out of contract.

Our second 11 would then look like this:

Heaton/Steer
Guilbert/Kessler - New DF - Hause - New LB
Sanson - Nakamba
Trez - Ramsay - New LW
Watkins/Davies

The 3 new players (aside from the DM) would be players we'd hope/expect to replace Targett, Mings, and a left winger good enough to allow Jack to play in a free role in a couple of seasons.

2022 would target moving Guilbert, Marv, and Trez on - and possibly Wesley and/or Hause. At that point I'd hope we'd mostly be buying players who would improve that 2nd eleven, but with the potential to displace a member of the first team within a season or two.

I think we will struggle to hold onto the likes of Guilbert and Nakamba this summer. Smith gave them precious little game time this season so I'd expect both will try and move on. Davis and Heaton will both be off on loan surely bar a late season surge from Davis.

I think we will see a lot of change this summer in personnel with some of our promotion winners and Suso's signings moving on. Barkley leaving too obviously. That's before the Grealish situation plays out over the summer again. Do we have another young gun like Ramsey capable of stepping up next season into the first team squad?

Left centre mid bruiser, some options at the back, backup to Watkins and replacement for Barkley required as a priority.

Haha, you're kidding right? You're a Tabloid reporter aren't you?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
Re Trossard, from what I have seen of him, I agree Mister E. He looks a very good player.
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Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2021, 03:43:07 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 09, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
Agreed, and clubs and agents will be well aware of how minted our owners are.

But progressing from 'top half' to 'top 4' is very unlikely if we take too many punts on players that might work out. We are now in a position where we need more proven, not potential, ability.
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Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2021, 06:44:31 PM
Of course, he plays for the best international team in the world. Brighton, like any PL club, will charge stupid prices for any half-decent players.
Agreed, and clubs and agents will be well aware of how minted our owners are.

But progressing from 'top half' to 'top 4' is very unlikely if we take too many punts on players that might work out. We are now in a position where we need more proven, not potential, ability.

If the scouting network is set up correctly then we should be signing people just as they're shifting from potential to proven, that's how we went last summer with Martinez, Cash and Watkins and all three were fantastic calls who've shown they absolutely belong in the top half of the premier league. If we can deliver a similar group again I'll be very happy.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 09, 2021, 08:08:02 PM
We should also consider deals for young players where we sign them but leave them on loan at the same club so they can develop whilst close to their families etc.  The chap at Reading being a prime example.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2021, 08:38:12 PM
I think the signing of players from the Championship might be how we do our business this summer. We've had great success with Watkins and Cash :)
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Post by: OCD on April 09, 2021, 08:53:09 PM
We should also consider deals for young players where we sign them but leave them on loan at the same club so they can develop whilst close to their families etc.  The chap at Reading being a prime example.

I want us to get to this point but if FFP is still an issue, we may need to use our budget for immediate impact.

We should still be hoovering up the best young talent though like last year when we signed Chrisene from Exeter.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 10, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
I hope we are in for Olise at Reading.  Alongside Eze he’s the closest likeness to Jack I have seen.  He glides rather than runs and has superb control of the ball.
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Post by: OCD on April 10, 2021, 11:36:26 AM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2021, 10:00:41 AM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.
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Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 10:04:02 AM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.

Neto or McNeill would be brilliant. Our three wide options aren't good enough for us to progress. Both of those are very good at carrying the ball up the pitch which we badly need.

We all like Tammy but Watkins was signed to lead the line. We won't be signing Tammy for big money for him to rotate with Watkins. Few of the London clubs are in dire need of a striker..West Ham, Arsenal or if Kane leaves Spurs.

Think we need more of a replacement for Davis in the squad really and then for Smith to actually give that player a decent run of minutes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on April 11, 2021, 11:49:03 AM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.

Ollie can also play in any of the three positions, so to have both him and Tammy together could mean that they could interchange during the game which would cause some confusion in the opposition defence at least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on April 11, 2021, 12:08:43 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villa for life on April 11, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
I think credit should also be given for not signing certain players. Josh King and Callum Wilson both would have cost mega bucks.. the latter knows where the goal is but too injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on April 11, 2021, 01:50:00 PM
I want to sign Neto, not just because he's a good player with bags of pace, but for a reaffirmation of where that gap has and always will be.

Neto and Tammy would be a brilliant summer.

Yep I agree
Netto is the sort of signing that we really need to be involved in if possible
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.
Pisspoor in the game just finished but a good player and a great work ethic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.

I’d agree, but wasn’t the reason he went to Palace because he didn’t want to leave London?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 02:19:58 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.

Ollie can also play in any of the three positions, so to have both him and Tammy together could mean that they could interchange during the game which would cause some confusion in the opposition defence at least.

I agree.
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, too.
Both Ollie and Tammy can play across the line, so it’s possible to play both together
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on April 11, 2021, 04:12:21 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 04:45:21 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.

If Keinan goes on loan I’d prefer a top 10 championship team to a lower half prem one.
A lower prem team won’t create many chances, so he’ll be under pressure to score.
A good quality championship team, Brentford, Swansea and the like, will create more opportunities for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 04:57:36 PM
I just don't see Tammy in that role at all. He's a good player around the box but I don't think his all round game is good enough to play wide. He's fine drifting out every now and then but I think he'd be found out very quickly if we asked him to do the job that we expect our wingers to do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 05:02:58 PM
Tammy could play in any of the 3 forward positions though. That's the positive with him is that he could be top quality alternative to Watkins but he could easily play alongside him as a wide forward.
Yeah, that's how I see Tammy-Watkins working too, maybe both playing about 50% of the games as centre forward and another 20% or so on the wing. Wes as 3rd choice striker, with Keinan out on loan at a lower half PL side.

Maybe but we'd possibly need to be in Europe or go far in both domestic cups to justify that range of choices before one of the three (Wes, logically) starts to agitate. If we sold two of the three current wingers (most likely Trez and Ghaz) and go in one quality one (i.e £30m+), it might be a go-er.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2021, 05:13:56 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.

Think that is what we need in the formation we play really.  Leicester and West Ham both have those kind of wingers - hard working, good with the ball and chip in with goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
McNeil is a decent shout, proper old school winger, very direct.

Think that is what we need in the formation we play really.  Leicester and West Ham both have those kind of wingers - hard working, good with the ball and chip in with goals.
if he had a yard of pace he would be very good. But he doesn’t
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
McNeil would be a good shout as he's young and will develop further.

Looking beyond players to go straight in to the team,  I'd try and get Daryl Dike from Orlando to improve the squad. He's only 20 and is strong and moreover is a goalscorer. I think there's a $20m buy out clause. He did well in MSL and has done really well at Barnsley.

Danjuma is another player who would be worth a look. He's got some pace and has had a good season. Again, not necessarily one to go straight in the first team, but he could strengthen our backup and at 24, he has the right profile for further development.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:10:50 PM
Regarding summer transfers, I hope the club takes a look at what's worked and continues in the same vein. So far, since returning to the Premier League, we have:

a) signed the best young talent from the Championship (Watkins, Cash, Konsa) and that has worked out very well for us. West Ham have done something similar (Benrama, Bowen) and they are having a good season. Moyes has a bit of previous with Championship signings, think back to Everton signing the likes of Tim Cahill from Millwall and (ahem) Joleon Lescott from Wolves. So that would suggest signing the likes of the Olise from Reading this summer. This strategy also has the benefit of not placing stress on our wage bill. In fact, I like the fact that our highest-paid players are those who have earned the improved contracts with performances for us (Grealish, McGinn, Mings, etc). Buying in someone like, say, Saha from Palace would suddenly parachute a new player to the top of our wage bill and lead to parity demands from others...

b) bought overseas players at middling prices from the Belgian and French leagues. I don't think this has worked out well for us. I have a certain fondness for El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Engels,Nakamba and Samatta but none of them are anything more than squad players. And of the newer overseas additions, Traore is hot-and-cold and Sanson hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is a better option than Jacob Ramsey. And when was the last time an overseas signing was an unqualified success for us..? Benteke..?

c) and there is a third category of signing we've made: fringe players from other Premier League squads, such as Targett, Luiz and Martinez. (If you discount on-loan fringe players like Drinkwater and Barkley,) I'd declare those as all successful signings.

So more of a) and c) type signings please and less of b).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 06:12:31 PM
Dike and Danjuma look good in sides that are doing well and are winning most weeks - put them in a mid-table side that struggle as often as they dominate and they may not be all that good.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on April 11, 2021, 06:13:43 PM
Regarding summer transfers, I hope the club takes a look at what's worked and continues in the same vein. So far, since returning to the Premier League, we have:

a) signed the best young talent from the Championship (Watkins, Cash, Konsa) and that has worked out very well for us. West Ham have done something similar (Benrama, Bowen) and they are having a good season. Moyes has a bit of previous with Championship signings, think back to Everton signing the likes of Tim Cahill from Millwall and (ahem) Joleon Lescott from Wolves. So that would suggest signing the likes of the Olise from Reading this summer. This strategy also has the benefit of not placing stress on our wage bill. In fact, I like the fact that our highest-paid players are those who have earned the improved contracts with performances for us (Grealish, McGinn, Mings, etc). Buying in someone like, say, Saha from Palace would suddenly parachute a new player to the top of our wage bill and lead to parity demands from others...

b) bought overseas players at middling prices from the Belgian and French leagues. I don't think this has worked out well for us. I have a certain fondness for El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Engels,Nakamba and Samatta but none of them are anything more than squad players. And of the newer overseas additions, Traore is hot-and-cold and Sanson hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is a better option than Jacob Ramsey. And when was the last time an overseas signing was an unqualified success for us..? Benteke..?

c) and there is a third category of signing we've made: fringe players from other Premier League squads, such as Targett, Luiz and Martinez. (If you discount on-loan fringe players like Drinkwater and Barkley,) I'd declare those as all successful signings.

So more of a) and c) type signings please and less of b).

Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:16:24 PM
Just responding to my own post to say we could add:

Kalinic, Gilbert and Wesley to the list of players in category b)

and Mings, Hause and Heaton to the list of players in category c)

and, I suppose, Jota to category a) to be the exception that proves the rule..! (Although did we give them money or just Gary Gardner?)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ivo Stas on April 11, 2021, 06:17:45 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
They're doing a good job of putting systems and the right personnel in place and building a foundation. I do wonder whether there will come a point though when they're happy with everything and push the 'go' button.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2021, 08:39:07 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on April 11, 2021, 09:19:39 PM
I think credit should also be given for not signing certain players. Josh King and Callum Wilson both would have cost mega bucks.. the latter knows where the goal is but too injury prone.

We bid for Wilson, had the bid accepted and he chose Newcastle.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2021, 09:29:22 PM
I just don't see Tammy in that role at all. He's a good player around the box but I don't think his all round game is good enough to play wide. He's fine drifting out every now and then but I think he'd be found out very quickly if we asked him to do the job that we expect our wingers to do.

Agree - not sure he’s that type of player at all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.

Watkins played left wing of a three if I recall correctly. Seem to remember him tearing Hutton a new one against us one day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 09:42:13 PM
I would love to see Tammy in the middle with Watkins to the left of him and Jack just behind. A top attacker to the right also. Two solid defensive midfielders behind Jack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 10:48:57 PM
How did Brentford make it work with Watkins and Maupay out of interest?

DS was there then wasn't he? Did they just rotate between CF? Or did Ollie play wide much of the time? Not sure he went two upfront as Romaine Sawyers was also there at that time.

When you look at all the top clubs pretty much all of them have a striker who can do a solid job out wide e.g. Rashford, Son, Martinelli, Richarlison, Mane etc.

At some point these guys were all playing at CF but for balance of team it was determined they'd go out wide and they all still get to double figures in seasons.

Not saying we have to do that with Ollie but the idea he must play every single minute of every game at CF and so we should never bother getting in another good CF is a bit of an odd one to me.

Let's remember we have only taken 4 points from losing positions all season so we clearly lack a decent attacking game changer from the bench bar the odd occasion it works like last week.

We simply can't have another season of thinking Davis might turn out o.k when there's occasions like yesterday when he's simply not trusted to come on for last 20 minutes when it's 1-1.

Watkins played left wing of a three if I recall correctly. Seem to remember him tearing Hutton a new one against us one day.
Yes, Maupay played centrally and scored most of the goals and Benrahma was the other winger.

The previous season they used Vibe for a while and also Caños more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on April 11, 2021, 10:57:35 PM
Dike and Danjuma look good in sides that are doing well and are winning most weeks - put them in a mid-table side that struggle as often as they dominate and they may not be all that good.
Possibly, but it’s not to necessarily pitch them in to play every game. Also, Championship players like Maddison, Watkins, Bowen and Benrahma have all done well in recent seasons.

As Ivo points out, signing good players from the Championship should not be discounted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2021, 11:21:48 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 11:40:23 PM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.

The plan, every season, should be 2-4 in the summer and, at most, 1-2 in the winter. no signings generally doesn't work out well and more than a few usually sees a dip in from for the first half of the season whilst they settle in. What we absolutely need to avoid is summers where we're making a new signing every week and end up with 8-10 new players to bed in. It was unavoidable last year but we looked a mess for most of the season because of the sheer amount of players we were trying to settle in at once.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 12, 2021, 12:00:11 AM
Depends how many we release. AEM and Taylor are certs to go and I doubt Engels is too happy given he last played in March 2020 so he'll push for a move.

Hause is fine as back up as he did well over xmas but too risky to just have 3 CBs as only takes one long term injury to disrupt everything.

Not sure we'll see much movement in central midfield personally but obviously have to get in at least one wide player (probably two if Trez injury is as serious as rumoured) and another striker.

Probably 5 signings this summer although perhaps the new CB we sign will have ability to fill in one of the FB positions which would probably make sense given Cash and Targett will be starters again next season so no point spending 15-20m on a Rico Henry type.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
Of course there is another category which most of the nouveau riche clubs did to get them to where they are...

I am reassured that our owners are building the club up slowly with talented younger players and not just burning their money on Robinho-type signings. It suggests that they are in for the long-haul...

Hopefully this summer will be the last one for a while where we need to bring a fairly significant number of new signings in.  If we can keep the quality we have and plugs the gaps that still exist, then hopefully we may see a couple of seasons where we only really need to add the odd player.

The plan, every season, should be 2-4 in the summer and, at most, 1-2 in the winter. no signings generally doesn't work out well and more than a few usually sees a dip in from for the first half of the season whilst they settle in. What we absolutely need to avoid is summers where we're making a new signing every week and end up with 8-10 new players to bed in. It was unavoidable last year but we looked a mess for most of the season because of the sheer amount of players we were trying to settle in at once.

There's going to be a large number of changes in personnel this summer but most of them are replacing squad players. Assuming Jack stays and no major injuries, we probably know 9 of the starting 11 for the season opener already and possibly 10 if Sanson is more physically ready after a hard pre season.

It's a big difference from expecting that the likes of Engels, Nakamba and Wesley would form the spine of our newly promoted team which was insanity really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
Depends how many we release. AEM and Taylor are certs to go and I doubt Engels is too happy given he last played in March 2020 so he'll push for a move.

Hause is fine as back up as he did well over xmas but too risky to just have 3 CBs as only takes one long term injury to disrupt everything.

Not sure we'll see much movement in central midfield personally but obviously have to get in at least one wide player (probably two if Trez injury is as serious as rumoured) and another striker.

Probably 5 signings this summer although perhaps the new CB we sign will have ability to fill in one of the FB positions which would probably make sense given Cash and Targett will be starters again next season so no point spending 15-20m on a Rico Henry type.

I'd rather us sign 1 player to fill the winger/forward role than a centreback/fullback simply because I'd love us to be able to play a more fluid front 3 of Jack, Ollie and someone else who can all play central or wide, can all drop deep and generally will do a job wherever they happen to get the ball. I've given names of the sort of player I want a few times (Thuram, Gouiri, Malen) but I really like the idea of being able to play without a centre forward or with 2-3 players overloading on 1 side of the pitch for a little while.

We don't need a right back, Guilbert and/or Kessler look like enough cover there.

So Left Back, Centre Back (but both younger to come in as cover initially) and then a midfielder to give us a bit more fight in there. Berge would be a good option I think.

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Post by: Risso on April 12, 2021, 12:22:28 AM
The defence is pretty well sorted, and we don't need any first team upgrades there, or in the keeper spot. A back up or two who can cover at full back or in the middle will probably be necessary assuming Guilbert, Elmo, Engels and Taylor move on, but nothing too expensive and should be self-funding from the sales of Engels and Guilbert.

Jack (when fit) and Ollie are obviously more than fine, but depending on what happens with Wesley, we need another striker and at least one wide player. What I'd like to see is the sort of front three set up that Liverpool have, where Salah/Mane/Firmino/Jota are all pretty interchangeable. With Jack and Ollie we're a fair way there, so a couple of top quality acquisitions there and we'll be in fantastic shape up front.

The midfield I reckon is a bit more of a quandary. Luiz and McGinn have the talent, but haven't had great seasons in all fairness. Sanson hasn't shown anything yet, and Nakamba isn't really good enough. I think we need a Soucek or Kante type to really grab the midfield by the scruff of the neck, it's one area where we don't have any natural leaders or undoubted quality.

I think therefore, that 3-4 top notch additions (two up front, one to two in midfield) would be enough to really get us motoring, plus a couple of cheaper back up options in defence. Obviously if Man City exercise their option on Dougie, then that changes things ever so slightly.

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Post by: ROBBO on April 12, 2021, 01:16:22 AM
Our defence is fine especially if Mings can get the one bad error out of his game, it's the midfield and the wide players where we are well below whats needed. Looking at the really good sides they have an abundance of quality in both areas where we have Trez (bless him for his commitment but) and El Gahzi,as for the midfield the lack of goals stems from there. I believe Watkins is a twenty goals plus a season striker but the service to him is pathetic without Grealish on the pitch. We need two or three proven top players.
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Post by: Mister E on April 12, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Our defence is fine especially if Mings can get the one bad error out of his game, it's the midfield and the wide players where we are well below whats needed. Looking at the really good sides they have an abundance of quality in both areas where we have Trez (bless him for his commitment but) and El Gahzi, As for the midfield the lack of goals stems from there. I believe Watkins is a twenty goals plus a season striker but the service to him is pathetic without Grealish on the pitch. We need two or three proven top players.
Several people keep saying that the defence is fine: I'd dispute that. Not only could we be more dominant in the air at the back (see games away at Wet Spam and Burnley as examples) we're also one injury away from being weak at CB, and we need cover for Targett. I'd be looking to bring in a Konsa-type CB and someone like Ryan Sessegnon, who can offer LB and LMF options.
I think AEG will be sold -  perhaps to a promoted side - and we will bring in a strong CMF in the Soucek / Berge mould. This latter move will give Luiz, Sanson and McGinn more freedom to play their natural game.
Davis is the big conundrum: stick or twist? With Wes, Traore and Watkins (and with L Barry and Ramsey Minor poised to make their debut), will we keep Davis or trade him in and get another high-quality striker / wide player? I think probably we will twist, and let him go.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 12, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
Central midfield is where most games are won. It is our biggest weakness right now.
You can mitigate problems with wingers by different systems or pushing full backs on to give width. It’s very difficult to compensate for a lack of a natural dominant central midfielder.
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Post by: DB on April 12, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Central midfield is where most games are won. It is our biggest weakness right now.
You can mitigate problems with wingers by different systems or pushing full backs on to give width. It’s very difficult to compensate for a lack of a natural dominant central midfielder.


That would be the first place I would be looking to strengthen. Then right side of attack.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 12, 2021, 10:08:23 AM
The defence is pretty well sorted, and we don't need any first team upgrades there, or in the keeper spot. A back up or two who can cover at full back or in the middle will probably be necessary assuming Guilbert, Elmo, Engels and Taylor move on, but nothing too expensive and should be self-funding from the sales of Engels and Guilbert.

Jack (when fit) and Ollie are obviously more than fine, but depending on what happens with Wesley, we need another striker and at least one wide player. What I'd like to see is the sort of front three set up that Liverpool have, where Salah/Mane/Firmino/Jota are all pretty interchangeable. With Jack and Ollie we're a fair way there, so a couple of top quality acquisitions there and we'll be in fantastic shape up front.

The midfield I reckon is a bit more of a quandary. Luiz and McGinn have the talent, but haven't had great seasons in all fairness. Sanson hasn't shown anything yet, and Nakamba isn't really good enough. I think we need a Soucek or Kante type to really grab the midfield by the scruff of the neck, it's one area where we don't have any natural leaders or undoubted quality.

I think therefore, that 3-4 top notch additions (two up front, one to two in midfield) would be enough to really get us motoring, plus a couple of cheaper back up options in defence. Obviously if Man City exercise their option on Dougie, then that changes things ever so slightly.



I agree with Risso.

Number 1 signing - right sided wide attacker to ensure Traore and Trez are squad players. Neto, St Max, etc etc
Number 2 signing - the best defensive midfielder we can afford, I'd have Rice tomorrow but Bissouma at Brighton has impressed.
Number 3 signing - depending on whats going on with Davis and Wesley, another striker
Number 4 signing - an up and coming number 10 attacking midfielder ( assuming JG isn't moved there over the summer)

Any other signings should be squad fillers to replace those who decide to depart or are at contracts end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT Villan on April 12, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
It would not be very likely to happen, but I'd move Heaven and Earth to try and get Pulisic.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2021, 02:23:34 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. That’s where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2021, 02:24:57 PM
It would not be very likely to happen, but I'd move Heaven and Earth to try and get Pulisic.

He’s very good. But he’s not fit very often and he also cost Chelsea the thick end of £60m. Not a player I would go for.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. That’s where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.

Which of the young guys are capable of stepping up? Ramsey had a successful spell on loan at Doncaster last season at least but the likes of Louis Barry still physically looks like a kid in comparison. There's a big jump to playing kids football to the premier league. Even Jack spent a spell at Notts County.

Big decision on whether Jack stays primarily on left wing or moves inside. He can obviously do both but with Barkley coming in last summer it kind of forced Jack to stay left. A more tactically flexible player would give us more options there I think.
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Post by: Dave on April 12, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
The exciting thing is we will be spending a very decent amount of money this summer on players that should break our transfer record a few times I imagine. We need to upgrade and add depth in a number of areas because if nothing else the recent run without Jack has proven the drop off in quality is too great. Now much of that falls on the manager but some of it naturally is highlighted in that we need better players in key midfield and attacking areas. That’s where the focus will be and I hope complimented by one or two younger players stepping up from the academy.

Which of the young guys are capable of stepping up? Ramsey had a successful spell on loan at Doncaster last season at least but the likes of Louis Barry still physically looks like a kid in comparison. There's a big jump to playing kids football to the premier league. Even Jack spent a spell at Notts County.

Lend Barry out to West Brom to get a season in the Championship under his belt. I expect they'd like that.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
We should buy Bellingham and send him to Blues for similar reasons.

It wouldn't take much editing of his current badge to turn it into DVB.
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Post by: Rotterdam on April 12, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on April 12, 2021, 07:13:48 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 
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Post by: DB on April 12, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 08:05:26 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards
we wouldn't pay those wages - Man City interested.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 12, 2021, 08:06:55 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.

And prone to knee injuries. We don’t need anymore of those
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Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 08:40:59 PM
I like Ings but I don't think he's better than Watkins and I don't like signing players older than 27-28 who are coming in as backups, that mistake is how MON crippled the club finances for years after he left because every week where they don't play they become harder to sell when you realise you're paying a fortune for them to watch games.
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Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
What about Ings? Soton are going backwards

Injury-prone and getting on, but it's a yes from me.

Plus he has a very disarming speaking voice. Highly-desired in most walks of life.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2021, 09:09:49 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 

Even with Ramsey it is hard to say what sort of midfielder he is (an 8, 10 or 7?) and it feels like a bit of an experiment each time he is selected.  I think, as general policy, all youngsters should have a season on loan with the aim of them playing every week and going through their growing pains on someone else’s time.  In the meantime you sweat the assets that you have like Sanson and Marvellous.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 12, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Ings would be injured before he had even lifted the scarf for the Twitter photos. Southampton have been hugely lucky to get as many games out of him as they have. He'd be talking to the physio more often that Damo watches shite telly if he signed for us.
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Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
Is it always the same injury for him or is he just made of glass?

I'd love him with us I must say. Really intelligent player. His finishing remind me of Shearer more than even Kane's do; emphatic and clever. But he wouldn't be worth the fee/fit the buying-model we seem to be going for.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
I see we are being linked with Dele Alli.  A replacement for Barkley perhaps but, if true, on a permanent deal rather than a loan so he commits to the club.  I can't see this one coming off though.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2021, 10:20:53 PM
I see we are being linked with Dele Alli.  A replacement for Barkley perhaps but, if true, on a permanent deal rather than a loan so he commits to the club.  I can't see this one coming off though.

Me too.  The stars feel aligned.  The risks are the same as with Barkley although possibly a higher ceiling if it comes off.
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Post by: Dave on April 13, 2021, 08:37:11 AM
It's very difficult to imagine Alli going anywhere but PSG.
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Post by: Chris Smith on April 13, 2021, 08:44:55 AM
It's very difficult to imagine Alli going anywhere but PSG.

I’m not really up on the new rules but given he rarely plays and is not a current international are there any work permit issues that might make scupper this?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 13, 2021, 08:47:22 AM
If it was a French player arriving in England*, yes. The other way, I don't think it is a big issue. There are plenty of overseas players in France who wouldn't meet the work permit rules here.

*I've specified England as opposed to Britain/UK as I'm not sure Scotland has clarified what its new rules are.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 13, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
I think/hope the summer transfer window will be our time for at least a couple of marquee signings (wishful thinking?)
If Tammy is one of those I would be happy.
A statement signing would be a No.10 like Maddison or Eriksen someone who can compliment Jack when he's fit and playing, but also someone who can carry the team when Jack is out (I'm not optimistic that Jack will be involved in more than 2/3rds of fixtures next season sadly, based on ongoing issues).
As for the rest of our midfield if we got another goalsorer and no.10 I think they would step up like they did at the start of this season. Regarding our back line I would bring in cover for Targett and leave it at that with Guilbert, Engels and Hause providing cover for the rest.
With the likely sales of Heaton, AEG, Conor and perhaps one or two others we could then look at getting in another more productive winger maybe even from the championship (a Benrahma or Bowen type if they exist).
I'm off for a lie down now after all that wishful and hopeful thinking.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 13, 2021, 09:51:50 AM
Midfield needs an overhaul and a Striker. If we go in to a 3rd season with only 1 main Striker then we've officially lost our minds.
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Post by: darren woolley on April 13, 2021, 11:35:55 AM
I would like it if we could get Dele Alli.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 13, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

Would cut Alli a bit of slack as a result. Mourinho is quite a toxic personality and very negative these days as to how he sets his team up. Alli is younger than Barkley, less injury prone and his stats suggest he is capable of a lot more. Getting out of London and Spurs might re-energise him. He's more of a second striker than a creative force. Wouldn't be a bad fit I think if his head was right. Combining with likes of Grealish and Watkins. Spiky enough player too which we need more of.
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Post by: exigo on April 13, 2021, 01:34:18 PM
Not a worry at all if it inspires him to celebrate in Mourinho's face, like Shaw did at the weekend.

(https://i.ibb.co/rMSW3Ny/320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rMSW3Ny)
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Post by: KevinGage on April 13, 2021, 01:37:49 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 13, 2021, 02:21:25 PM
Does Alli spend a lot of time injured or have I imagined that?
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Post by: OCD on April 13, 2021, 02:29:18 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.

Talk is it would be too expensive to get rid of Mourinho.
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Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2021, 02:29:37 PM
Does Alli spend a lot of time injured or have I imagined that?

I think he's had a couple of reasonably lengthy injuries but nothing that unusual to be worried about. I might be wrong though, I pretty much ignored the premier league for 3 seasons.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2021, 02:46:32 PM
I'm not sure on Alli.

I think we've probably had our fingers burnt with Barkley as a type of bigger club's player trying to kick-start their career.

I thought we'd be going for a more players 'on the up type' of strategy. Not doubting the quality Alli has at times but there's surely question marks there.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
Alli might also be biding his time at Spurs - Mourinho may not be there next season, meaning a new manager coming in could give Alli a fresh start.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2021, 03:10:51 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.
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Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 03:48:06 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2021, 03:51:11 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.

I don't know there is a right answer or formula but for every Barkley/Drinkwater (which was a desperate punt) we have benefitted from Tammy, Mings, AEG. I don't want to tie our approach to the possibility or fear of failure.
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Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
Alli at Villa would be great. A goalscoring midfielder is absolutely what we need. And he's more than talented enough to do for us what Lingard has done for West Ham.

I'd normally agree, but the experience of Barkley most recently has reminded how easily it can go wrong.

At least with Barkley we can send him back.

I don't know there is a right answer or formula but for every Barkley/Drinkwater (which was a desperate punt) we have benefitted from Tammy, Mings, AEG. I don't want to tie our approach to the possibility or fear of failure.

Tammy was still learning his trade and improving, Mings wanted to prove himself after a long time out injured, AEG was still young enough to be given time with room to improve.

For both Barkley and Ali it would feel like a step back at that point in their career (it's not obviously, fucking Chelsea and Spurs, pah)
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Post by: dave shelley on April 13, 2021, 04:27:31 PM
Think Mourinho will be potted in the summer so Ali will prob reason he'll see more game time under a new boss.

Talk is it would be too expensive to get rid of Mourinho.

Would he take Onomah as a makeweight?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2021, 04:38:14 PM
Hahaha!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 13, 2021, 07:36:19 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

I think amazon have so much footage they can manipulate the hours and hours of recordings to any narrative.  I think that narrative is controlled by the club.  Simple examples are that Rose was made to look a dick (no longer has a squad number) and the fact mourinho was causght training players during lockdown were air brushed from the show.

My point being that Deli was set up to look lazy for whatever reason, maybe so he saw the show and bucked his ideas up or maybe because mourihno does not fancy him as a player. 
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 13, 2021, 07:50:55 PM
Alli's ceiling could potentially be far greater than Barkleys and it would undoubtably be seen as a coup for us. My issue with him is when things aren't going his way, I feel it would be too similar to what we have now with Barkley. Mourinho outing him as a lazy bastard on that Amazon Prime documantary watched by millions of people is a worry.

I think amazon have so much footage they can manipulate the hours and hours of recordings to any narrative.  I think that narrative is controlled by the club.  Simple examples are that Rose was made to look a dick (no longer has a squad number) and the fact mourinho was causght training players during lockdown were air brushed from the show.

My point being that Deli was set up to look lazy for whatever reason, maybe so he saw the show and bucked his ideas up or maybe because mourihno does not fancy him as a player. 

This is a fair point. I even found myself quite liking Mourinho as a bloke at one point which can't possibly be the case in real life.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 13, 2021, 08:37:03 PM
Why would Spurs want the narrative to be that Alli is lazy? The risk that his market value would drop rapidly must surely outweigh the probability of it giving him the kick up the arse.
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Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2021, 09:16:48 PM
The Amazon guys probably rang-up Levy saying they had sifted through hundreds of hours of footage and the most exciting thing they had was Harry Kane fist-bumping Mourinho (don't be mucky). So to justify the Bezos bucks, they likely had to orchestrate some drama, however contrived.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 13, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
Alli Villa- has a bit of a ring to it!
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Post by: Risso on April 14, 2021, 08:10:36 AM
I’d be in two minds about Alli. At his best he’s an excellent player, but it would be taking another gamble on a player who used to be good, and hoping they get back to what they’re capable of. It didn’t work with Drinkwater and it hasn’t worked with Barkley. It’s not to say it won’t with Alli, but now that FFP looks like it might not be such a problem, let’s go out and spend big on players who are at the top of their game.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 14, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Issue with Dele is he is *allegedly a grade A Kn*b.
Poor trainer, attitude.  Let's also not forget the clip of him and Ross pissed up being billy big boll*cks in the Mayfair hotel 

His hunger is definitely questionable and just feel we've had enough of those *types
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 14, 2021, 09:07:53 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 14, 2021, 09:10:00 AM
Can’t see Ali being the type of player that Dean would want -£100 million and £175k a week for 5 years

Think we will be looking at Europe for our next signing
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Post by: dave shelley on April 14, 2021, 09:10:06 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.
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Post by: Martin Carruthers on April 14, 2021, 09:10:53 AM
Hard to know whether we'd end up with a Barkley or a Lingard. Too much of a risk of the former for me.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
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Post by: algy on April 14, 2021, 10:26:08 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Yep, agree totally.

I know it's a small sample, but the Tammy, Drinkwater, and Barkley loans from Chelsea - and maybe Tuanzebe from Manchester United - have made me think.  When we were in the Championship, it was fine loaning in younger players who weren't established in their main club's squad - like Tammy.  He'd still got everything to prove, and so had a vested interest in doing well for us.  Same goes for Tuanzebe.  However, now we're a bit higher up the food chain, and we don't really need to be loaning players to develop them any more.  We need ready-made Premier League standard players.

The problem with loaning those sort of players is that either (a) they're not playing for their main club because they're (almost always) not good enough to play for their main club, and (b) they don't have any vested interest in playing well for us, since they've already in their eyes achieved what they're able to/want to achieve.

Alli, I see as being basically in the same category - even if we buy him permanently.  He's reached the top, and we'll be a step down in his eyes.  I've strong suspicions that he'll have limited interest in playing for the club outside of the paypacket he'll get in return.

I'd rather we sign players who will come to the club wanting to prove themselves, whether that's bringing them in from the Championship, or the best players at relegation fodder teams, or players from Europe.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 14, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Aston Villa are Preparing themselves for a huge offer for Emi Martinez from Manure.  How exactly does that work?  Agent of Emi calls Christian and says ‘be prepared?’  Random from Manure calls Nassef and says ‘be prepared just in case we want to bid for Emi.’  I actually want that to have happened and for Nassef to have said ‘do you know who the fcuk I am?’  In a really belittling manner.
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Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2021, 10:53:45 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
I’ll throw in a Devonshire No too.
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Post by: aev on April 14, 2021, 10:56:43 AM
SE London Yes (one vote from me, kids not cast theirs yet).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 14, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
I’ll throw in a Devonshire No too.
He's a bit old for us now. He retired almost 30 years ago.
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Post by: steamer on April 14, 2021, 11:30:29 AM
Southern Africa says,
Geen, Che, Cha, Hayi and an emphatic No.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on April 14, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
A “NO” from this part of Liverpool
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 14, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
For Alli see Barkley. It's a no from me.

And me.

Agreed, it's a resounding No from the Irish contingent.
Yep, agree totally.

I know it's a small sample, but the Tammy, Drinkwater, and Barkley loans from Chelsea - and maybe Tuanzebe from Manchester United - have made me think.  When we were in the Championship, it was fine loaning in younger players who weren't established in their main club's squad - like Tammy.  He'd still got everything to prove, and so had a vested interest in doing well for us.  Same goes for Tuanzebe.  However, now we're a bit higher up the food chain, and we don't really need to be loaning players to develop them any more.  We need ready-made Premier League standard players.

The problem with loaning those sort of players is that either (a) they're not playing for their main club because they're (almost always) not good enough to play for their main club, and (b) they don't have any vested interest in playing well for us, since they've already in their eyes achieved what they're able to/want to achieve.

Alli, I see as being basically in the same category - even if we buy him permanently.  He's reached the top, and we'll be a step down in his eyes.  I've strong suspicions that he'll have limited interest in playing for the club outside of the paypacket he'll get in return.

I'd rather we sign players who will come to the club wanting to prove themselves, whether that's bringing them in from the Championship, or the best players at relegation fodder teams, or players from Europe.
Out of interest would you put Lingard in the same category?

Lets be clear, I'd never have wanted us to sign Lingard in the last two windows but it's easy to be over simplistic when considering these moves and it turns out he's been brilliant for West Ham and will get them in the top 4.  Barkley started on fire with us, unfortunately something has gone badly wrong and non of us know the full background but yes it will ultimately go down as a miss - even though he played a massive part in the best half season of football Villa have played in the last 10 years.

I'm not saying we should go and sign Ali, but if Smith wants him and believes his attitude is right then I'd be interested to see how it pans out.

   
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Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2021, 01:01:51 PM
We was warned that Barkley was a one in three or four type of player. One really great game then nothing. He had an incredible debut followed by another good game but he hasn’t really produced anything like that since.

As regards Ali I feel he’s another with a great game in the locker and lots of sub standard performances to follow.
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Post by: Rotterdam on April 14, 2021, 01:24:14 PM
The step up between U23 and first team is huge for those wanting to see some of the kids play this season.

I'd like to see a backup CB, a wide player, a '10' and a back up striker.

How do we know. Who was the last to step up from u/23? Ramsey seems capable. We will never know if nobody gets a chance. Other clubs throw kids in from time to time for a debut taster to give them the incentive to progress. 

Having watched a fair bit of U18 and U23 stuff this year, the steps between each level and then to 1st team are pretty big. Stronger, faster, bigger players with more knowledge.
It is rare that a young 17,18 year old can compete physically with grown men. A lad I spoke to (goalkeeper) and had trained at 1st team, U23 and U18 said that the first team are ‘cleverer’ and less obvious when going for goal, quicker with movements and shifting the ball.
U18 football is riddled with mistakes and poor player, equalled by some excellent team player and individual magic.

Loaning players out for periods of time at lower levels helps them acclimatised.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 14, 2021, 01:27:03 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.
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Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.
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Post by: caster troy on April 14, 2021, 01:44:46 PM
This is going to be a very interesting summer I reckon...

For the first time in ages, we know well in advance what league we will be in next season
FFP shackles either partially or fully removed
With a decent squad now assembled the focus can be on quality not quantity
Reputation (in the eyes of prospective signings) somewhat restored with no relegation battle, players in England squad and some eye catching results early in the season
Promising youth team players either being promoted or going out on loan
Grealish - will he make the Euros? Will we receive any massive bids from so called 'giants'? Will marquee signings of our own influence his decision? (If there is a bid)
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 14, 2021, 01:47:49 PM
‘Alli at Villa, Alli at Villa.’
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
On the striker front, I really hope we're in for Edouard at Celtic, a proper centre forward, £20m should do it even though he's in the last year of his contract. PSV's Donyell Malen is also going to be in high demand but he'll probably be around £40m. He looks really special, has a bit of everything.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2021, 03:32:50 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January
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Post by: john e on April 14, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yeah but we all know that if we signed him he would turn back into Jesse Lingard again
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 14, 2021, 04:22:07 PM
The votes from Mexico are in. Dele Alli, sin puntos.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2021, 04:39:11 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yes there was when I touted him
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
Alli is a seriously talented player and has shown quality over a consistent period in the past. I’m more than willing to suspect it’s the normal Mourinho scapegoating.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 14, 2021, 04:50:03 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yes there was when I touted him

This is true. I can't remember whether I poured scorn on the idea with actual words typed here, but I certainly thought that it was a terrible idea. You were right, Footy, and I was wrong.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 14, 2021, 04:57:07 PM
Dele is big footballing mate of Jack's.
He too likes to enjoy himself off field
Barkley was signed with Grealish influence.
All talented but adding Dele to this club with the off field behaviour would not be wise
I don't think more party boys would be helpful right now to Jack and would only be pandering to keep him happy to have more of his mates around. And I can see both Ross and Dele being signed on Grealish say so given Jack stature. I guess if they all perform on the pitch then fantastic however they have to start being ultimate professionals I rather we sign players from Dortmund , Ajax, Porto, Benfica AC Milan who are top quality and want to challenge themselves in England

Brendan Rodgers had it right when he spoke fairly but with respect publically on the 5 at Leicester who let the team down and had a fun party time during this covid missing West ham match .
I would have preferred if Deano did similar to Jack and Ross when they party in London for Barkley Birthday rather than the "rules are confusing line" he came out with.

It's just how I see it. Having been afforded some semi pro opportunities and certain values I've always had a grievance with unfilled talents. Or those who take liberties of their pro status off field when they can be anything they want to be on the pitch and are super footballers don't want to see career wasted
 
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Post by: johnc on April 14, 2021, 04:58:35 PM
Dušan Vlahović would be my choice for a new CF. I do think he will develop into a fine striker. I have watched him in a few international and Serie A games. He looks very strong
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Post by: johnc on April 14, 2021, 05:00:24 PM
Dele is big footballing mate of Jack's.
He too likes to enjoy himself off field
Barkley was signed with Grealish influence.
All talented but adding Dele to this club with the off field behaviour would not be wise
I don't think more party boys would be helpful right now to Jack and would only be pandering to keep him happy to have more of his mates around. And I can see both Ross and Dele being signed on Grealish say so given Jack stature. I guess if they all perform on the pitch then fantastic however they have to start being ultimate professionals I rather we sign players from Dortmund , Ajax, Porto, Benfica AC Milan who are top quality and want to challenge themselves in England

Brendan Rodgers had it right when he spoke fairly but with respect publically on the 5 at Leicester who let the team down and had a fun party time during this covid missing West ham match .
I would have preferred if Deano did similar to Jack and Ross when they party in London for Barkley Birthday rather than the "rules are confusing line" he came out with.

It's just how I see it. Having been afforded some semi pro opportunities and certain values I've always had a grievance with unfilled talents. Or those who take liberties of their pro status off field when they can be anything they want to be on the pitch and are super footballers don't want to see career wasted
 

I would agree with this. We don't need the party boys. We already have Jack who is prone to straying from the path.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
I bet there would have been a resounding no on Lingard if we had been linked to him in January

Yeah but we all know that if we signed him he would turn back into Jesse Lingard again

That's the risk. He went to an environment that very quickly he adapted to and allowed him to play to his strengths. He is looking twice the player any one of us believed him to be. But he could have gone elsewhere, including us and struggled because the team wasn't confident, manager played a certain style, or like us, within ourselves once Jack disappeared.
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Post by: Scovilla on April 14, 2021, 05:21:16 PM
There is one player that fits the most mentioned profile. His name is Boubacar Kamara from Marseille. Worth around 30 million pounds though. A very promising player in midfield who can also play in centra defence.
UTV
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Post by: London Villan on April 14, 2021, 08:46:25 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 14, 2021, 08:48:40 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

that’d be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesn’t tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 14, 2021, 08:59:24 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.

Ha! Agreed on both fronts.

I do think German clubs buy young English players knowing that their re-sale value is exponentially greater than a non-English player. 
His purchase, therefore, might have been influenced by economics rather than just footballing ability and so he could be available.

That mighty also be wishful thinking on my part.

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Post by: London Villan on April 14, 2021, 09:31:02 PM
He'll end up back in England for £100m plus in a year or two - choosing from Chelsea, man city or man u.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 14, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
Never going to happen but bellingham is the type of player we need in midfield.

Ha! Agreed on both fronts.

I do think German clubs buy young English players knowing that their re-sale value is exponentially greater than a non-English player. 
His purchase, therefore, might have been influenced by economics rather than just footballing ability and so he could be available.

That mighty also be wishful thinking on my part.

They will make a shed load on Haaland as well
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Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

that’d be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesn’t tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

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Post by: brontebilly on April 15, 2021, 12:03:30 AM
Dušan Vlahović would be my choice for a new CF. I do think he will develop into a fine striker. I have watched him in a few international and Serie A games. He looks very strong

He was brilliant against Ireland recently, will be plenty of competition to get him.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2021, 06:11:53 AM
Who was the bloke that ripped Spurs a new one recently in Europe?  Surely he’s worth looking at.
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Post by: nigel on April 15, 2021, 08:27:38 AM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

that’d be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesn’t tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

I think teams should agree a fee before which would stop that.
Seems crazy if they can’t.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 15, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
Yes to Alli from me but he has to promise never to get injured.

Try before we buy only would be my choice.

that’d be my policy too.  Loan players from the top 4.  Buy from the championship, relegated teams and from abroad.

The try-before-you-buy option weeds out players that do not have the hunger and even more so doesn’t tie up wages for the next five years, so even if they fail, means we are agile enough to move in future windows. 

Yeah but if they have a good spell and you want to keep them, the top four team will charge an arm and a leg. Which is likely what will happen with Lingard and Man Yoo/West Ham in the summer.

I think teams should agree a fee before which would stop that.
Seems crazy if they can’t.


One clever way to get round a costly transfer too is to take players who don't have more than 18months or 1 years left on the contract . That way prices will be restricted barring release clauses.
So come summer 2022 Odsonne Edouard, Michael Olise, David Brooks , Todd Cantwell, Milot Rashica are out of contract.
Expect players with a year left to run come the summer as well as the current players who contract expiry be heavily featured as transfer targets and speculation.

This summer Benteke at Palace is out of contract....

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Post by: Footy-Vill on April 15, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Fantastic player he be great move. Good shout.

I saw Javi Martinez come on for Bayern Munich he's out of contract in summer and though 32 he's the physical presence in midfield at DM many wish for but also a quality footballer with the ball. And a major threat at set plays.
A fine wine version of Man City Rhodri

An experienced head and smart pro like this would do wonders to the learning of Midfielders and improve our solidarity. Touch of class too.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 09:37:52 AM
Odsonne Edouard I read could move for as little as £8 -10 million. For that price he is a bargain.
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Post by: in exile on April 15, 2021, 11:38:05 AM
Odsonne Edouard I read could move for as little as £8 -10 million. For that price he is a bargain.
Absolutely, but he is a target for Arsenal apparently.
I think he would choose London over Birmingham area to be honest.
I'd like him here so hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: Matt C on April 15, 2021, 12:02:19 PM
The best keeper in the league thought otherwise. 😉
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Post by: Mister E on April 15, 2021, 03:11:16 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
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Post by: Border villan on April 15, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
I fancied Lynsey De Paul a few seasons ago, but the moment has passed.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 15, 2021, 06:27:49 PM
Miss De Paul was lovely and lusted after by people of a certain age. I had forgotten about her. Just checked, and she died in 2014 at 66. Had a string of A-list boyfriends but never married.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 15, 2021, 08:09:55 PM
You try to be sensible and give people your amazing football knowledge, and it turns into this !!! 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2021, 10:39:52 PM
I think we’ve hit Rock Bottom
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Post by: Mouse Potato on April 16, 2021, 07:41:25 AM
I think we’ve hit Rock Bottom

* Applauds *
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Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
I think we’ve hit Rock Bottom
... whichever way you sugar it.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 16, 2021, 09:09:04 AM
Sorry Three Spires, really gone to rat shit now....
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Post by: algy on April 16, 2021, 09:54:49 AM
To be taken with a huge pinch of salt as
(a) FootballInsider is hardly a reliable source and
(b) The club has NDAs in place so I'd guess this in't s likely to be public knowledge

but FootballInsider reckons we'll be in for 2 wide forward in the summer:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-aston-villa-set-sights-on-signing-two-forwards-as-big-money-summer-plan-revealed/

Quote
A Villa source has told Football Insider that a key area identified for reinforcements is in attack and the recruitment team are working on identifying potential targets.

The plan is to sign two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smith’s favoured 4-2-3-1 formation.

The rest of the article is filler guff.
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Post by: Drummond on April 16, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
It's all filler guff.
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Post by: TaxDodger on April 16, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
To be taken with a huge pinch of salt as
(a) FootballInsider is hardly a reliable source and
(b) The club has NDAs in place so I'd guess this in't s likely to be public knowledge

but FootballInsider reckons we'll be in for 2 wide forward in the summer:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-aston-villa-set-sights-on-signing-two-forwards-as-big-money-summer-plan-revealed/

Quote
A Villa source has told Football Insider that a key area identified for reinforcements is in attack and the recruitment team are working on identifying potential targets.

The plan is to sign two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smith’s favoured 4-2-3-1 formation.

The rest of the article is filler guff.

Weren't 'football insider' saying we were going to sack Dean Smith and replace him with Gerrard a week ago? Now we're buying players to suit his tactics.. It's almost as if they're making it up as they go along..
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Post by: OCD on April 16, 2021, 10:39:53 AM
2 attacking wide players seems possible but 1 seems more credible. Jack aside, the wide players have been very hit and miss and now Trezeguet is out for a long time. Philogene-Bidace is coming through but presumably he'll go out on loan next season.
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Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2021, 10:51:00 AM
"two senior forwards who can play out wide, either side of the main striker, in Dean Smith’s favoured 4-2-3-1 formation" - even that's a contradiction: if they were either side of the main striker, the set-up with be 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3 (not 4-2-3-1).
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Post by: AV82EC on April 16, 2021, 02:08:39 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2021, 02:13:04 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
I thought that was VillaTalk?
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Post by: AV82EC on April 16, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Footballinsider = clickbait wankers of the highest order

Ignore
I thought that was VillaTalk?

I've never been on VillaTalk from recollection so wouldn't know.
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Post by: Gareth on April 17, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
If we did sign Olise, I think he would be immediately involved in the first team squad and wouldn't be loaned out.

I think he great.

An injection of pace needed so the signing from Reading if they don't go up would be great.. People scoffed at Lingard but someone if his running and movement on and off ball is necessary.

Benraham would have been better served at Villa and Bowen would have been good last season . Seems West ham took our players as we be 4th or higher if had 2 of those 3. Instead they are.

We need an Ashley Young type wide forward and an engentic midfielder.

Let's offer £40 million for Eze Dean Smith would really bring him on and he would suit how we play.

I’d agree, but wasn’t the reason he went to Palace because he didn’t want to leave London?

I must be missing something with Eze because he strikes me as an English Traore capable of the outrageously good but massively, massively inconsistent.  We need to be signing players who turn up every week not just once a month
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 17, 2021, 04:33:56 PM
Rodrigo De Paul From Udinese, best midfielder in Italy. Leeds were after him, he is excellent.
Hopefully not a storm in a tea cup
I fancied Lynsey De Paul a few seasons ago, but the moment has passed.

So did every mid teens male in the mid 1970’s
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
Wonder if Joe Willock might be decent signing in 10-15m range?

Scored a few for Newcastle already and Arsenal will probably cash in so could be a decent pick up. Sell Nakamba and send Ramsey on season long loan to give him 30-40 starts somewhere.
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Post by: eamonn on April 17, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
He looks a better bet than Martinelli. Is he Arsenal's Keinan ?
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Post by: SaddVillan on April 17, 2021, 05:09:52 PM
Tammy Abraham not even in Chelski's squad today.

Cue phone call from Johan Lange to Tammy's agent?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 05:13:37 PM
He looks a better bet than Martinelli. Is he Arsenal's Keinan ?

He's a central midfielder. Got 3 goals in about 9 games for Newcastle so the sort of ratio SJM was scoring at 18 months back before he lost all ability inside penalty area for some reason playing for us.
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Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2021, 05:50:38 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2021, 06:10:51 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.
I'd rather give both Ramsey brother a proper go.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 17, 2021, 10:49:50 PM
No for me on Willock, he's a a good prospect but he's not ready to be a regular starter for a team outside the bottom 6. In 12-18months he might be there but by then I'd hope a few of our own youngsters will be close as well.

I agree but we also need better options off the bench. We're chasing a game and Nakamba is last player you'd bring on and even though Ramsey hasn't looked out of place in most of his appearances he's been more about being solid and playing reasonably safe.

From what I've seen of Sanson, neat and tidy but again dosen't look like the type who can tip the game back in our favour if we're under pressure.

There are many reasons why we've only secured 4 points from losing positions all season so we need to correct that. In last few weeks Willock come off the bench to score to get thme a point off Spurs and the winner today so we need some guys who can come on and step up the tempo in addition to the wide players and striker we sign.
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Post by: SaddVillan on April 18, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/18/tammy-abraham-considering-chelsea-future-after-fa-cup-semi-final-snub?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Taxi for Tammy - destination B6 6HE?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 18, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.
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Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2021, 03:53:02 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 18, 2021, 03:59:04 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.
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Post by: nigel on April 18, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I reckon they’d be asking £30m for Barkley, so £30-£40m for Tammy would be well worth it.
Don’t forget, Ollie was £30m, so, again, Tammy is going to be upwards of that
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 18, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
It was a different recruitment team that brought him in previously. The current set up might think they can find better value elsewhere.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2021, 04:18:25 PM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 18, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Better value elsewhere but likely to be from the foreign market.
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Post by: LeeB on April 18, 2021, 06:30:28 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I think that's pretty much standard these days, so I would, but I'd be reminding Chelsea we've done good business with them (certainly from their point of view) and that a good part of the reason he's worth that much is down to us.

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 18, 2021, 10:37:41 PM
He's obviously going to leave but can see likes of Everton and West Ham being in for him.

West Ham certainly, Everton have still got Moise Kean still to shift and might have to watch the pennies with the new ground to pay for.

I'd take him, all transfers are a risk but he's got a head start with us, it's a familiar setup where he's already been a success and is highly thought of.

Taking him is the easy part, how much would you be willing to pay for him, Lee? If the price is £40m even £30m I'd be looking elsewhere.

I think that's pretty much standard these days, so I would, but I'd be reminding Chelsea we've done good business with them (certainly from their point of view) and that a good part of the reason he's worth that much is down to us.

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
you think that Chelsea would do us a favour,
Because we have been stupid enough with Barkley and Drinkwater ?
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Post by: Woodyoubetagainstus on April 18, 2021, 10:43:35 PM
Sorry but Tammy would be a sentiment signing.

We need to think big and throw ££ at Maddison, Leicester aren’t Aston Villa, they won’t qualify for CL, he’s muckas with Jack, let’s aim for the stars.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2021, 10:47:39 PM
Sorry but Tammy would be a sentiment signing.

We need to think big and throw ££ at Maddison, Leicester aren’t Aston Villa, they won’t qualify for CL, he’s muckas with Jack, let’s aim for the stars.

Not really a like for like player though. I agree we need another playmaker, but we also need a striker.
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Post by: ROBBO on April 18, 2021, 11:58:28 PM
Tammy played for us because he couldn't get in the Chelsea side, there must be reasons why one of the top managers has sidelined him again. A bit like the calls to get Benteke back last season, we need to look forward and find better.
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Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2021, 01:02:40 AM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.

Weren't Tammy's stats for defensive clearances from set-pieces highly impressive for us?
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Post by: nigel on April 19, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
Tammy played for us because he couldn't get in the Chelsea side, there must be reasons why one of the top managers has sidelined him again. A bit like the calls to get Benteke back last season, we need to look forward and find better.

I think the difference is Benteke has gone down hill since he left us, whereas Tammy has proved he can perform in the Prem.
Chelsea like big money signings as their main strikers, so he is always going to be a bit part player there.
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Post by: garyellis on April 19, 2021, 10:21:05 AM
The question re Tammy is simply can Smith fit them into his formation going forward?
We need other striking options and to suggest Tammy would not be an improvement from where we are now is just ridiculous.
And yes he probably will cost £40m.
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Post by: kipeye on April 19, 2021, 10:43:44 AM

I'd expect us to get a more favourable deal than those spunk trumpets the Gollivans.
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I call them the Soiled, it has a ring to it.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 19, 2021, 11:29:21 AM
Worth looking at amount of ex players DS signs again tbh.

Different clubs and budgets here of course but at Walsall he signed up a few players who'd previously been on loan 1-2 years before and at Brentford he quickly signed again Rico Henry and Romaine Sawyers even though he wasn't fully in control of transfers at Brentford.

And here he's signed Jota, Watkins and Konsa so he's clearly a manager who likes signing guys who knows his methods.

Wouldn't shock me at all if we're in for the likes of Axel and Tammy as both will probably be available, played big parts in our promotion and would be popular with the fanbase and sort of moves they need to make at this stage of their careers as one is completely out of favour and the other's made about 5 starts all season.

Depends how big we go on wingers but both signings would give us flexibility to go 3-5-2 aswell.
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Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
Surely no one can argue about the Konsa and Watkins signings? (Or Tammy if it came to fruitition). It's a clear benefit when a manager has worked with a player, knows their character, sees what they can do in training and can get a sense of their potential. Konsa was a bargain and no-one else was in for him as few other clubs realised how good he could become.
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Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.
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Post by: mr underhill on April 19, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!
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Post by: Drummond on April 19, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?
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Post by: LeeB on April 19, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica
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Post by: Clampy on April 19, 2021, 01:29:05 PM
I liked Tammy, but is he actually that good a footballer? I prefer Watkins over Tammy, I think we could manage both....
Watkins brings a lot to the team when he isn't scoring, I think Tammy would soon be a target for our scapegoat club if he was firing blanks.

One thing that stuck out with Tammy for me other than his goals was his work rate. He'd fit in really well.
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Post by: Drummond on April 19, 2021, 03:49:52 PM
Abraham or Traore? Abraham or Trez? Abraham or AEG?

There's your answer. Abraham Watkins and a certain Jack Grealish might just be a very formidable front three. With Wesley and Davis as back up... 😉
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Post by: steamer on April 19, 2021, 05:53:11 PM
Could be plenty on offer after the big 6 piss off
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Post by: nigel on April 19, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
Rashica is definately inbound this summer. !!

Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica

OMG!!!
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Post by: London Villan on April 19, 2021, 08:14:48 PM
The whole thing is going to bugger everything up for weeks if they do go through with it. Uncertainty about future TV may stop clubs from chucking cash around.
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Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 09:49:39 PM
It always goes quiet for most of the summer anyway.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 19, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
It was a different recruitment team that brought him in previously. The current set up might think they can find better value elsewhere.

My point though is Dean has worked under various recruitment schemes at Walsall, Brentford and here but he's always been fond of getting in an ex player or two so I assume he still gets some say in who we target e.g. we have all the best data in world and yet conclude Rico Henry is the best left back out there available this summer which you wouldn't rule out.

Brentford pride themselves on signing randoms from here and abroad all the time and turning them into multi million players and within 6 months of DS turning up he was signing two from Walsall.

That's why I think Axel and Tammy will be targets if available but dosen't mean we'll sign them as their wages could be beyond us and teams finishing higher up the table will probably be interested aswell.
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Post by: OCD on April 19, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
The ESL should throw everything up in the air for most of the teams above us. Some players may think twice about signing for one of them while everything is up in the air and they don't know what they're getting themselves in for.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2021, 11:46:46 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2021, 11:48:05 PM
Are the OCG in on it?

Ras-H-ica

Surely Ras-H-aca?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

I'd have thought that transfer fees for the 12 will now go through the roof. As will players' salary expectations too.
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Post by: nigel on April 20, 2021, 08:41:26 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesn’t mention Konsa on that link
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 20, 2021, 10:01:38 AM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesn’t mention Konsa on that link

I know, their interest in Konsa was on there (and discussed on here) a few weeks back.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 20, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
Impossible to speculate about transfers until this ESL matter is resolved.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 20, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.
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Post by: darren woolley on April 20, 2021, 02:22:40 PM
I see the Merseyside Reds are after Ollie.
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Post by: nigel on April 20, 2021, 05:01:30 PM
No one is arguing about Konsa and Watkins. They were both seen as over-priced at the time, now they certainly aren't.

Merseyside Reds interested in both if you believe the BBC's Transfer Gossip. https://www.bbc.com/sport/56806265

Doesn’t mention Konsa on that link

I know, their interest in Konsa was on there (and discussed on here) a few weeks back.

👍
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Post by: Drummond on April 20, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.

We could throw Barkley in as a sweetener now that we don't have Angela any more.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 20, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
I see the Merseyside Reds are after Ollie.

They can fuck off.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 20, 2021, 08:16:07 PM
Impossible to speculate about transfers until this ESL matter is resolved.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled speculation
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 20, 2021, 08:39:34 PM
Seeing Tottenham's debt, we could bid for Kane and Son.

Throw in Onomah for them as a sweetener.

Where’s this been reported?  I’d imagine it is the case with the stadium and then not being able to use it, but no idea whether they have the cash flow to ride it through.
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Post by: OCD on April 20, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Wrong thread.
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Post by: TonyD on April 20, 2021, 09:33:20 PM
We need 3/4 players.
Upgrades on the wide players and a play maker in the middle to supplement Jack.   
A striker.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 20, 2021, 10:19:12 PM
That Bissouma was outstanding tonight. Would walk into our midfield and into most teams in the top half of the table.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on April 20, 2021, 11:18:17 PM
This may be the only last chance we get to make a push this summer. We may need to.go huge in terms of outlay to get 3/4 immediate starters in the first eleven. If we don't next summer will be very painful I fear with players leaving
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Post by: manic-road on April 21, 2021, 07:59:50 AM
That Bissouma was outstanding tonight. Would walk into our midfield and into most teams in the top half of the table.

Yes he was excellent again, the weakest part of our team for me is the midfield and we need decent upgrades.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 21, 2021, 08:09:55 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
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Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2021, 09:34:48 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
With a stronger midfield the wingers would be less defensive and more offensive.
CMF and cover at CB are the two key additions - followed by a LB and striker / wingers
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Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2021, 10:17:59 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.
With a stronger midfield the wingers would be less defensive and more offensive.
CMF and cover at CB are the two key additions - followed by a LB and striker / wingers

Agreed, 19 of our 43 league goals have come from the wide players (along with 15 assists). Jack is a major part of that so we do need to increase the output of the others but getting the balance right in midfield is far more important. I actually can't work out why a central midfielder isn't on everyone's wishlist, I don't know how you can have watched a Villa game in the last 3-4 months and not seen the clear issues in there.

Bissouma would be a good option as would Berge but they're both a little more defensive than I'd really like.

Someone big and physical but more box-to-box (think Ian Taylor) is what I'd really like to see who can then share the 'up and down' work with McGinn/Sanson/Ramsey and Luiz is freed up to play the sitting in/quarterback role. They'd just be replacing Barkley but if we could combine that with replacing Nakamba with Bissouma/Berge then I'd be confident that the midfield was where it needs to be.

That would be a big chunk of money out but i think it'd give us depth and balance in an area where we really need it.

Then grab a couple of youngsters to cover CB and LB and use whatever is left to get a player similar to Watkins who can play up top or out wide, to start with they'd take Trez's squad place and then when he's fit I'd move AEG on. With Davis and Wesley I'd be happy with the amount of options that would give us in the final 3rd.
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Post by: Risso on April 21, 2021, 10:22:39 AM
Yes, a decent central midfielder as an upgrade on everybody we currently have is an absolute necessity. The goal output from McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson has been pathetic, and we need to add somebody capable of getting close to double figures as the likes of James Milner used to.
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Post by: manic-road on April 21, 2021, 10:25:50 AM
Yes, a decent central midfielder as an upgrade on everybody we currently have is an absolute necessity. The goal output from McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson has been pathetic, and we need to add somebody capable of getting close to double figures as the likes of James Milner used to.

Agree, the link up play between the midfield and Ollie has been pathetic. He has done well to score as many as he has just mainly feeding of scraps.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 21, 2021, 10:27:51 AM
Milot Rashica , Yves Bissouma and Tammy would be a great start of signings.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 21, 2021, 10:47:28 AM
Weakest part is Wing, but would like an enforcer type that can play the ball.

Grealish is arguably the best wide player in the division....the other three options we have are certainly average at best

I'd like to see us sign players that allow us to be tactically more flexible. Smith has changed formations quite a bit in the last two seasons but less of late. When Grealish is out, it only exposes the lack of quality supporting Watkins. My preference is certainly two 6s so Luiz + 1 to allow the full backs provide more width. That +1 shouldn't be McGinn or Nakamba, a bruiser who can play. A more flexible three then supporting Grealish, all comfortable in playing across that line.

I'd like to see us move away from traditional wingers to be honest. The three we have (apart from Grealish) offer very little unless we are dominating possession.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2021, 10:50:32 AM
Creativity if Jack is out is a major issue. Clearly any team losing a player of Jack’s quality would suffer, but it completely transforms us. We really need to address that to ensure the drop off isn’t as severe.
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Post by: OCD on April 21, 2021, 11:35:39 AM
Before Jack's absence, he became less of a threat as teams doubled up on him. We looked our best before Barkley's injury so we need a wide option who can be a mini Jack on the right, a number 10 to replace what Barkley was meant to be and for me, a strong defence midfielder...Bissouma or similar. I don't like seeing Luiz and McGinn being guaranteed starting places regardless of form, they should need to be at their best to get into the line-up.
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Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2021, 03:13:53 PM
I'd like to see us move away from traditional wingers to be honest. The three we have (apart from Grealish) offer very little unless we are dominating possession.
Likewise.
I like the look of Trossard at BHA, as a complement to Grealish in the team. I was in favour of purchasing Buendia last summer and think he'd have done a fine job for us.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 21, 2021, 06:30:04 PM
Yeah, Trossard is a good footballer
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Post by: nigel on April 22, 2021, 08:19:01 AM
Football insider (yes, I know) reckons we’ll be going back for Adama from wolves 😂
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 22, 2021, 08:30:29 AM
I still think he could be brilliant. Would always be hated by the boring contingent who hate skilful players and want a team of workhorses, though.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 22, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
It's never easy but there are a lot of players we need to move on this summer for their sakes and ours. Ignoring the out of contract ones and Rosco, the following should and are likely to leave Heaton, Engels, Nakamba, AEG, Davis (on loan), Hourihane, Wesley (on loan) and I'd be surprised if Guilbert is back with us next season. Hope we have a number of signings lined up as it's likely to be a tough summer to do business with the Euros.
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Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2021, 08:49:05 AM
Football insider (yes, I know) reckons we’ll be going back for Adama from wolves 😂
Scored his first goal in c.40 games for Wolves the other day and his assist stats aren't currently great.
We need people who can win and retain possession before adding to our stock of wide players. Ball retention and constructing moves that hurt the opposition are the priority.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 22, 2021, 09:11:42 AM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.
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Post by: Risso on April 22, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.

Agree completely. The defence looks sorted, but you could make a case for replacing all of the players you mention. Obviously we won't do that, but it worries me that we've got so many mediocre players still.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 22, 2021, 12:13:54 PM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.

Agree completely. The defence looks sorted, but you could make a case for replacing all of the players you mention. Obviously we won't do that, but it worries me that we've got so many mediocre players still.


I'd settle for mediocre! They're shocking at the moment, struggling with even the basic elements of playing the bastard game. Shooting's crap if and when it happens, passing to a bloke in the same ******* colour shirt seems often too much to ask, tackling's half-arsed or reckless, shite.

But like you and others have said, we now have a solid defence and 'keeper, a bizzo centre forward, and a genuinely mercurial midfielder. A couple of real upgrades in the middle of the park would see us improve hugely, I think.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 22, 2021, 02:56:18 PM
Yep this adage that it takes at least 3 seasons to build a mid table Premier League squad under FFP seems to be true. There's at least 4 1st team places up for grabs this summer, if the right players can be signed which may push us into a proper challenge for Europe and maybe some cup runs. We've proved we can play good football and have some very good players, now its adding those 1st team starters to what we've got. I'm coming more to the view that Grealish should be played as a 10 as part of the squad construction this summer.
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Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
I'm hoping Gustavo Cisneros turns-up in the final series of Better Call Saul. There's only one Gus Fring but no harm in having two characters with the same first name, happens in real life often enough.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Interesting what Paul e says.

The issue I have with central midfield is yes a Soucek type would be great but look at what we have currently. McGinn plays every minute of every game so while DS remains here I can't ever really see his starting place coming under serious threat even if last 6 months have shown his limitations if we want to break into top 6 in future.

Luiz getting plenty of stick in recent times and I agree he's been off form for a while now. However he's the DM in this team and the defence has been excellent for most of the season so usually when the defence is really good, the DM also gets massively praised so
he should get credit. He'll be back on form next season and is a starter again in my book.

We've just paid 15m for Sanson who'll surely figure more next season. Unless he's one of those DS has already given up on after a few months which seems to be a bit of a theme with some of our foreign signings like Kalinic, Gulibert and Engels.

Ramsey figured a fair bit now so again will be expecting more starts unless we decided to loan him out for a season...but it must be to a good level as would make no sense to send him back to league one or lower end championship team now. Would consider if say Watford or Norwich want him for the season.

Even without Nakamba coming into the equation that's four midfielders who will be expecting regular minutes and in McGinn's case it's set in stone he'll be starting every game he's available for next season. That's without signing a wide player or two that could mean Jack goes back to number 10 position so then it's just two CMs behind.

Just much easier to sign a really good wide player I think and then see what's around next January.
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Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2021, 04:43:03 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2021, 05:34:34 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.

I just think McGinn will remain a certain starter as long as DS is here. Obviously when he's on form that's not a problem but he's been as off form with everyone else in last few months.

Pretty sure Dean gave an article a while ago saying he saw Liverpool as a bit of an example in how they've formed 5-6 who'll always start no matter their form (although Klopp has started benching likes of Salah and Mane in recent times).

Just think Dean's the sort who'll just start likes of Mings and McGinn regardless. Even if they're in iffy form their leadership and influence in dressing room will get them out there.

What's interesting in long run is from the bits I've seen of Sanson he's more like McGinn than Luiz for example so in the long run I'm not sure those two will work as a combination in midfield so either Sanson just becomes an expensive squad player or we rotate the two depending on opposition.

This is the continual test for Dean in next two years. He gets another 150-200m to spend and we can't really be getting to March in future seasons with half our team dead on their feet because we've barely rotated the 11 up to that point.
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Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2021, 05:48:00 PM
Dean mightn't be so soft on McGinn if Purslow tells him he has £30m to improve our midfield and Lange is in his ear about three targets that are good and gettable.
I just think McGinn will remain a certain starter as long as DS is here. Obviously when he's on form that's not a problem but he's been as off form with everyone else in last few months.
Pretty sure Dean gave an article a while ago saying he saw Liverpool as a bit of an example in how they've formed 5-6 who'll always start no matter their form (although Klopp has started benching likes of Salah and Mane in recent times).
Just think Dean's the sort who'll just start likes of Mings and McGinn regardless. Even if they're in iffy form their leadership and influence in dressing room will get them out there.
What's interesting in long run is from the bits I've seen of Sanson he's more like McGinn than Luiz for example so in the long run I'm not sure those two will work as a combination in midfield so either Sanson just becomes an expensive squad player or we rotate the two depending on opposition.
This is the continual test for Dean in next two years. He gets another 150-200m to spend and we can't really be getting to March in future seasons with half our team dead on their feet because we've barely rotated the 11 up to that point.
All well and good, unless you could see Sanson and McGinn supporting Watkins , in front of JG and a couple of really classy midfielders who can win the ball and play the passes.
As Chelsea and  - to a certain extent - Liverpool play it. Indeed, Citeh didn't play wingers last night: they played some really good midfielders who could play wide when the situation required it.

The game needs players to be interchangeable and versatile (requiring fitness, good pass-and-move skills and some personal magic). That's why - IMO - Nakamba, AEG and (to a lesser extent) Trez and Traore don't quite work for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2021, 07:09:23 PM
I do feel that McGinn and Mings are undroppable because of their personalities both on and off the pitch.  That’s not a criticism because player’s that dictate a positive culture through their example should be afforded a bit of slack.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 22, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2021, 09:03:42 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

I suspect he is carrying a rib injury, but rest has not been an option.  I not convinced he will ever be consistent but like the fact he is around; after grealish probably our most maverick player.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 22, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 22, 2021, 10:11:29 PM
Still the player with most potential to frighten the opposition when Grealish is unavailable. He has underperformed lately though, admittedly. He seems to be suffering from the same malaise that's affecting the rest of the team. If we had more players he would almost certainly have been dropped.

I haven't given up on him as quickly as many on here, though, and fancy him to run Baggies ragged on Sunday.
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Post by: Risso on April 22, 2021, 10:17:23 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

5/10 is way too generous, he's been a 3 or a 4 for weeks. Constantly loses possession, and doesn't support Cash one bit. A total dud.
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Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2021, 10:35:44 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.
A truly gifted footballer. An artisan mason amongst blunt chiselers. Lacking in application and direction. That is the job of the Coaching team.
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Post by: andyh on April 22, 2021, 10:43:59 PM
I thought Nakamba was a hard pressing, ball winner? He couldn't win a fight with a 1 armed midget, he was nowhere near anyone last night. Recoup anything from him and get him gone. We need MUCH better options than McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle and much better options that El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore out wide.
AEG + Trezeguet + Traore =< Albrighton (for instance)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on April 22, 2021, 11:11:30 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka
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Post by: Zouch Villa on April 22, 2021, 11:37:47 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka

Is this in the same sense that I’m closely monitoring Jennifer Lawrence?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 04:50:18 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.
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Post by: Axl Rose on April 23, 2021, 05:51:50 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.

I agree. I'm not sure why anyone actually expects him to defend. I mean, look at him. He's clearly a flair player that can't tackle and can't track back. We've got enough bland, workhorses types, that although not really playing well at the moment, should be able to defend properly.

If he has to play, I'd push Traore right up alongside Ollie and tell him to drift and dribble to his hearts content.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 05:54:01 AM
Exactly.
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Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 07:44:26 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 23, 2021, 10:18:55 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...
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Post by: manic-road on April 23, 2021, 10:27:06 AM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 23, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere about the next cab off our rank:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/22/manchester-united-and-city-tracking-aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka

Is this in the same sense that I’m closely monitoring Jennifer Lawrence?

you will get in trouble !
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Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 10:31:07 AM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on April 23, 2021, 11:14:16 AM
I think the big positive (if that’s not a stupid thing to say) of Jacks injury is that we have had a chance to see in his absence who would stand up to be counted in an attacking sense without Jack there to take all the attention.  Answer is pretty damning players like Traore & El Ghazi who looked decent when Jack was in there creating them space have a complete lack of ability to do it for themselves....El Ghazi just literally goes missing and Traore is a bigger menace to our full backs than theirs, particularly when he is hitting blind passes in our own half.

Whilst I am not against the 433 I just can’t see how we can play it without Ollie & Jack filling two of those shirts....I wonder whether another ‘10’ like Buendia bring the 3rd one of the front 3 would be better option than the wingers we have or are being linked with like Rashica.

I’m another fan of Bissouma as we do lack a physical presence in the centre.

We absolutely have to find a player who is both a first choice player and also a proper set piece taker....I come back to the conundrum of James Ward-Prowse, I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve watched him & can’t work out if he a good player or if he is a Hourihane style set piece passenger?  Set pieces are a huge weakness, we have created so few chances from them.

If Engels, Hause & Taylor all leave as expected we will need 2 centre halves and a back up left back as I don’t see anyone in the u23s in those positions ready to step up, Chrisene looks good but he is v young.  I will always be a fan of Tuanzebe but I suspect if he leaves United it will be a starter & im not sure he’d be a backup again.  These are the positions I expect to see the most of Lange’s influence this summer, players from the continent not huge money buys
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on April 23, 2021, 11:22:01 AM
I think Traore needs to be tried as a 10. I don't think his ineffectiveness in helping Cash is due necessarily down to a lack of effort, I think he just knows he's really bad at defending.

I agree. I'm not sure why anyone actually expects him to defend. I mean, look at him. He's clearly a flair player that can't tackle and can't track back. We've got enough bland, workhorses types, that although not really playing well at the moment, should be able to defend properly.

If he has to play, I'd push Traore right up alongside Ollie and tell him to drift and dribble to his hearts content.

Drift and dribble. A new parent's guide.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 23, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2021, 12:25:44 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.

I'd say it's irrelevant anyway. It's almost certain Man U will want him back, though with a better than average chance West Ham will make it permanent if they do finish top 4. Either way he's going to want to be at a Champions League club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 23, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.

Pretty sure his overall goals and assists in probably still under 20 starts for us is fairly decent.

Just had a quick look and he's scored 5 league goals and off the top of my head I can remember the assist for Ollie's goal v Arsenal and the other week for Fulham third so considering he only broke properly into the team in December he's generally done o.k.

Been really poor recently no doubt but at his best he simply has more to his game than El Ghazi and Trez.

What we have to remember is nowadays signing a player for 15m dosen't really get you 10 goals and 10 assists a season unless you have incredibly good scouting.

That will be expected from whatever signing we make for 30m + which is probably coming from us in next year or two. Even then there's no guarentee but let's hope we scout well enough to find one capable of that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2021, 01:02:32 PM
But he's not even any good at what he's supposed to be good at. Nine times out of ten instead of trying to beat a man, he turns round and passes it backwards.

I disagree. He is good at what he's supposed to be good at, it's just that what he's good at is difficult, and most of the time will end in him looking like a berk. When it works though...

He's a winger/attacking player. One successful step over every other game isn't really enough.

Pretty sure his overall goals and assists in probably still under 20 starts for us is fairly decent.

Just had a quick look and he's scored 5 league goals and off the top of my head I can remember the assist for Ollie's goal v Arsenal and the other week for Fulham third so considering he only broke properly into the team in December he's generally done o.k.

Been really poor recently no doubt but at his best he simply has more to his game than El Ghazi and Trez.

What we have to remember is nowadays signing a player for 15m dosen't really get you 10 goals and 10 assists a season unless you have incredibly good scouting.

That will be expected from whatever signing we make for 30m + which is probably coming from us in next year or two. Even then there's no guarentee but let's hope we scout well enough to find one capable of that.

5 goals and 4 assists in 22 starts, I think that's a decent return for a winger in his first season with us at that price. He's also 3rd (behind Grealish and McGinn) for the number of successful dribbles per game. Where he needs to improve is getting more shots away and playing more 'positive' passes into the box.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
His decision making needs to improve,  when to try the nice flick (ie not when we've just the the ball back for the first time in 10 mins), when hold onto it for a bit, etc.
 
Because ability wise he has it in spades.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2021, 02:25:12 PM
His decision making needs to improve,  when to try the nice flick (ie not when we've just the the ball back for the first time in 10 mins), when hold onto it for a bit, etc.
 
Because ability wise he has it in spades.

Yeah, that's largely what I mean about the shots and passes into the box, oddly he seems more willing, right now, to try something risky in our half than he is in the final third which I can only imagine is a lack of confidence/struggle to cope with the pressure thing. Earlier in the season he was trying all sorts of tricks around the box and they've mostly disappeared in the last month or so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on April 23, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on April 23, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.

He's an experienced player though, he shouldn't need that kick. Might be worth trying him in 10 for a few weeks as I don't see him as an option out wide really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 23, 2021, 05:07:04 PM
Jesse Lingard would be a good buy, saying that 6 months ago would have been derided.

Not for me. How do we know we would be getting brilliant last six months Jesse Lingard as opposed to mediocre previous ten years or so Jesse Lingard?

I just have a feeling he would go back to the never scoring, setting one up or looking vaguely competent variety of Jesse Lingard the second he put on a non-copycat version of a claret and blue shirt.

I'd say it's irrelevant anyway. It's almost certain Man U will want him back, though with a better than average chance West Ham will make it permanent if they do finish top 4. Either way he's going to want to be at a Champions League club.

Not disagreeing with you, or saying I want Lingard, but if we are going to get to the next level we need to start convincing players we will soon be a Champions League club.
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Post by: OCD on April 23, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
You do that by showing ambition. 2 seasons of Premier League football, going into a third makes FFP less of a problem and means we can start to leverage our position more. Remember when we tried to sign Callum Wilson last summer, it came to light that we weren't able to offer the same terms that Newcastle were because of FFP.
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Post by: john e on April 23, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
You do that by showing ambition. 2 seasons of Premier League football, going into a third makes FFP less of a problem and means we can start to leverage our position more. Remember when we tried to sign Callum Wilson last summer, it came to light that we weren't able to offer the same terms that Newcastle were because of FFP.


Was it FFP though, or was it the fact that we weren't prepared to pay him 100k a week
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Post by: eamonn on April 23, 2021, 07:00:31 PM
One way or the other, I'm glad we didn't.
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Post by: Clampy on April 23, 2021, 08:25:58 PM
What's the general consensus on Traore (Bert)? Maybe he needed taking out of the firing line weeks back but he has been impossibly bad for what seems like months.

Crap, a few dazzling tricks but too many weeks where he is 5/10.

i'm hoping the presence of a crowd will give him a kick up the arse.

He's an experienced player though, he shouldn't need that kick. Might be worth trying him in 10 for a few weeks as I don't see him as an option out wide really.

I've often thought he would look better as a no10 but I think he'd get hustled off the ball like he does now as well. It's frustrating because there's clearly a lot of talent there.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2021, 02:34:45 PM
Let’s go to Brentford (again) and offer them big bucks for Toney. He’s got everything. Could be a top level striker.

Wonder if we could offer them £20mil.

Or maybe even £25mil and Chuck Wesley and Davis in 😂
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Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2021, 10:22:13 PM
I don't want us to buy anyone else from Brentford ever again, no matter how good they are. Unless Brentford agree to officially being our feeder club.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 24, 2021, 10:35:18 PM
He's done a good job Thomas Frank, given he lost Maupay, Konsa, Benrahma and Watkins.  Toney looks really laid back but scores goals. Decent player.

Watching a bit of Yves Bissouma for Brighton tonight, great player but I thought he slowed the game down too much when they were pressing for an equaliser against Sheffield United.  I think he's a really good player though.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2021, 10:45:45 PM
Bissouma is miles better than Nakamba.

Would also give us option of re-jigging midfield and having him at the base with likes of Doug and McGinn further forward. Brighton play that with likes of Lallana and Gross pushing on.

I agree he would be excellent pick up but not convinced CM will be a high priority in the summer compared to other positions and he'd cost 30m-40m so would take up a big chunk of what we've got available.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Agree Marv just isn’t good enough, or at least he isn’t based on what I’ve seen. For his role he misses two key components - he can’t get close enough to his opponents to disrupt play and even when he does he’s then careless on the ball and gives it away.
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Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2021, 11:41:14 PM
From what I've seen of them I prefer Berge to Bissouma if we're going for a midfielder from a team in the relegation battle. In part because I reckon he'd be a great option to cover centre half as a 4th option as well as being a regular in midfield and would give us space to look at youngsters coming through in defence. (all of this is assuming Engels is going to leave).
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Post by: ROBBO on April 25, 2021, 01:05:23 AM
From what i have seen of our midfield this year none of them are good enough on present form. JM is not a natural midfielder his distribution is haphazard. One thing, JG being out may have done us a favour because he covered up a lot of the weaknesses in the squad. Not sure about fairplay going forward but the owners need to spend a lot of money to get us in a position to challenge the top sides, replacing one or two will not do it.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 08:02:19 AM
Just cannot see what people see in Berge from Sheffield United, looks your standard athlete getting up and down the pitch but where’s the ability on the ball? Bissouma looks a far better option as has the athleticism and physicality but looks quality on the ball.
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 08:44:35 AM
Bissouma has the highest walking stats in the league. No other player strolls about as much as him, quite literally.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
But if that’s his role in the team what does it matter? I’d rather we had someone who thought about his positioning rather than Nakamba the headless chicken hot potato possession loser.
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 08:59:06 AM
Somebody more high energy would be preferable. I'd like more players capable of running the opposition off the park.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2021, 09:05:38 AM
I’d prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. I’m all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didn’t seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 09:08:19 AM
You have to win the ball to use it and that means a high energy press. The more players we have like Watkins, McGinn and Sanson who are capable of doing that, the higher up the pitch we turn the ball.over and the less distance Super Jack and whoever is at 10 and on the other wing has to go towards goal. Full backs pressed up higher too, much more attacking which is ultimately what we've lacked since January at least.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 25, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
I’d prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. I’m all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didn’t seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
They have Rodri and Fernandinho who close space quickly and are able to put their foot in where necessary.
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Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2021, 10:25:03 AM
I’d prefer to keep possession of the ball so we can let the opposition do all the running. I’m all for a bit of sweaty jockstrap box to box midfield athleticism but I looked at Citehs midfield on Wednesday and they didn’t seem to be blessed with much of that just fucking good footballers comfortable in possession who moved our players around with abandon.
They have Rodri and Fernandinho who close space quickly and are able to put their foot in where necessary.

Yep, that's Rodri who's 6'2, quick and very strong.

I don't disagree with either Ads or AV82EC on this but I think you need both technical ability and physicality. I don't see Bissouma as a superior technical player to Berge though, I see 2 teams playing very different styles and central midfielders who fit into that. I've seen a lot more than 'standard athlete' about Berge though, I put him up as someone I'd have looked at in the summer after promotion because, thanks to spending a lot of time in Norway, I'd seen a lot more of him than most people on here. I suspect he'll go on to be a similar player to Vieira where he can drive the team forward as well as being defensively solid. He'd be top of my list for signings this summer but I think we'll have plenty of competition.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 25, 2021, 10:33:52 AM
Today’s rumours:

Manure want to buy Heaton if they can’t buy Sam Johnstone.

We are after Cantwell as a replacement for Jack.

We are also after Buendia.
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Post by: nigel on April 25, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
Today’s rumours:

Manure want to buy Heaton if they can’t buy Sam Johnstone.

We are after Cantwell as a replacement for Jack.

We are also after Buendia.

Can’t see Johnstone wanting to go as a back up, whereas Heaton would be swapping like for like, so there might be some mileage in that. Jed Steer is more than capable as a back up.

Read today than ManU would swap Lingard, plus cash, for Jack!! Can’t see that, as Lingard I’m sure he would want to be in the same team as Jack.

Cantwell and Buendia would be great signings, certainly preferable if we kept Jack, though.

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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Something about Cantwell I don't like - but I'd probably say that about Grealish if he played for someone else. He's a decent player - can't see him ever getting to Jack's level.

Heaton may as well go to Man Utd - and we should take the chance to get his wages off the books.

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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 11:59:35 AM
Transfer rumours should be like undergrad papers, where you have to source everything. They'd print Jack all and wouldn't the world be a better place for it.
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Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2021, 12:18:04 PM
The time to buy Norwich's finest was last summer. They're back up so their top players will either be happy to stay or their club and agents will charge top brass.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 25, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
Nobody is going to pay £100 million for a player that's been out for months, and we aren't going to sell our best player for less than that. Grealish will still be here next season.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2021, 12:29:32 PM
Said it a few times in last 12 months but we could do far worse this summer than sign Chris Wood.

Got to be one of the most underrated strikers in premier league. One off hitting double figures in the premier league yet again so we really need secondary striker in the squad capable of that.
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2021, 12:40:12 PM
We could also do a lot better.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
We could also do a lot better.

Looking forward to it then as many don't want Tammy either so must be some reasonably proven CL striker being lined up!
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Post by: Axl Rose on April 25, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
I thought you wrote 'Chris Woods', and couldn't believe he was still playing.
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Post by: garyellis on April 25, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Two players from the Championship that will be available are Armstrong from Blackburn and Olise from Reading. Both with great potential would strengthen our squad and would be well within our reach.
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Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2021, 01:47:36 PM
I think the decision on potentially adding a striker will depend a lot on if Wesley gets some game time before the summer and how he does. If he gets on and holds up to it I think he'll be given a chance through pre-season so if someone does come in I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty late in the window.
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Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2021, 02:00:58 PM
I thought you wrote 'Chris Woods', and couldn't believe he was still playing.

I was always 'meh' about Chris Woods until he gave one of the best performances  I've ever seen from a keeper when we beat Wednesday 2-0 in 1993.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 25, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
Something about Cantwell I don't like - but I'd probably say that about Grealish if he played for someone else. He's a decent player - can't see him ever getting to Jack's level.

Heaton may as well go to Man Utd - and we should take the chance to get his wages off the books.

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Post by: Monty on April 25, 2021, 03:06:55 PM
I know that we shouldn't be going backwards and that our priorities are elsewhere, but this week has reminded me that I'd love to have Milner back for a season or so. The guy is such a great and understated presence in a team.
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Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2021, 03:39:10 PM
Partridge is back next week
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 25, 2021, 03:48:11 PM
I know that we shouldn't be going backwards and that our priorities are elsewhere, but this week has reminded me that I'd love to have Milner back for a season or so. The guy is such a great and understated presence in a team.

Derby manager this time in two years.
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Post by: Gareth on April 25, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Lange’s brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed
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Post by: villa for life on April 25, 2021, 04:46:09 PM
That’s a big presumption (first paragraph).
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Post by: Gareth on April 25, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
Not sure it is though....two are out of contract and two have barely kicked a ball all season.  Guilbert might be back
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 25, 2021, 05:04:01 PM
I would be surprised if Hause leaves unless he's agitating for a move.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 25, 2021, 05:24:25 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Lange’s brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed

Tuanzebe....provides cover at RB, RCB and opens up possibility of going to 3 at back
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Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Hause is a really useful backup squad member. No way should we be selling unless for ten mill.
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Post by: Monty on April 25, 2021, 05:58:02 PM
Agree, Hause's best years are ahead of them and I believe they are Premier League years.
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Post by: Risso on April 25, 2021, 06:00:17 PM
Agree, Hause's best years are ahead of them and I believe they are Premier League years.

Yep, he was really good when called into the team, and a bit unlucky not to keep his place I reckon. I also think he could be decent at left back, so he's exacly the sort of player we need to keep.
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Post by: algy on April 25, 2021, 06:36:26 PM
Yep, keep Hause. Perfectly decent defender for where we are. If we have the chance to make him 4th choice we should take it, but there's an awful lot of players I'd get rid of before him.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 25, 2021, 07:38:33 PM
Presuming Elmo, Taylor, Engels, Hause & probably Guilbert all go in the summer who does everyone want to see come in defensively?

Of the youth Kessler looks a good prospect for right back & Chrisene at left back but he is very young so probs not for next year...not seen any of the centre halves look anywhere near ready ie Bogarde will probs go on loan.

I would presume this is Lange’s brief for this summer to find possibly 3 defenders from continent who will be ready to step in & be of sufficient quality if needed

Tuanzebe....provides cover at RB, RCB and opens up possibility of going to 3 at back

Firstly, we don't need any more injury prone players. Secondly, he isn't going to swap the Man U bench for ours. Thirdly, three at the back is horrendous.

So, it's a no from me.
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Post by: Ian. on April 25, 2021, 07:54:01 PM
Pretty well summed up cdbullyweefan!
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Post by: Smirker on April 25, 2021, 10:10:35 PM
This summer:

- Top CB to challenge Mings and Konsa
- Winger who can cross
- Top CM to replace Barkley
- Quality goalscoring striker

Promote Barry, Carney and consider any offers for the likes of El Ghazi, Trez, Engels.


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Post by: olaftab on April 26, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Mr Lange needs to make a call and start negotiating to get Pereira signed double quick.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
According to Steve Madeley, The Athletic's Albion guy, we are indeed keeping an eye on the Pereira situation - but we're not the only ones.
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Post by: mrfuse on April 26, 2021, 02:45:23 PM
This might have already been mentioned but the other day on the BBC site it mentioned Spurs were looking at Caleb Chukwuemeka and I wondered if we had looked at him at all. It would seem logical that we would or should be interested.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 03:37:48 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 03:39:00 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?

Yes.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 03:39:57 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.
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Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2021, 03:50:25 PM
The rise of Atalanta has given me the football-fuzzies. A trip to Bergamo next season to take-in a game looks appealing (once they've de-covid'd the region obvs).
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 04:42:01 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 26, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?

Absolutely.
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 26, 2021, 04:49:12 PM
As reluctant as I am to agree with LeeB and cd, three at the back just makes me think of those 0-0s against Ever(yone)ton under Gregory.I'm sure that there are some innovative continental coaches who can make it work, but it's fundamentally shit, because it's never three, it always ends up being five.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 26, 2021, 04:58:07 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 26, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.

The Sumerians invented slavery and three-at-the-back, but Sargon the Great overloaded the midfield and that was the end of them.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 26, 2021, 05:36:14 PM
That's why they called him "Great". He was Sargon the Bellend when he was still tinkering with three at the back.
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Post by: nigel on April 26, 2021, 05:54:40 PM
I have to admit I’m not averse to 3 at the back, with the right players, though.

Imagine McGrath in between Konsa and Mings?
Wing backs Gidman and Gibson types
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
There's clearly some kind of outbreak.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2021, 06:16:59 PM
If I could be convinced that it wouldn't quickly become 5-3-2, it would have more merit for me. Atalanta are a bit of an exception though, you would have to have a very high quality set of players to stop it turning it into a defensive set-up.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 06:28:44 PM
You have to have Gasperini or Bielsa or someone,  someone who's willing to risk a few hidings for their vision. Otherwise the dreaded back 5 becomes inevitable.

Back on topic, I know we're supposed to be lining up a striker to come in, but given how expensive they are and our seriously glaring weaknesses elsewhere I'd prefer to assess especially Wesley and Louie Barry before making that call. If the two of them can contribute seriously (a Brazil international and La Masia alum, let's not forget) then I'd rather see us focus on our creativity problem, as without Jack we seriously lack reliable options.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2021, 06:32:57 PM
Even with Jack we would still need to be able to give opposition other problems to think about otherwise teams just double up on Jack.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 06:45:37 PM
Even with Jack we would still need to be able to give opposition other problems to think about otherwise teams just double up on Jack.
Pereira, Bundia, Trossard,Olise ...  there are players we could add that would give JG more space and / or cover for him when injured. We certainly need to bring in players that cause opponents to think more than simply double-marking JG.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 26, 2021, 06:51:04 PM
I have to admit I’m not averse to 3 at the back

Et tu, Nigel?
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Post by: nigel on April 26, 2021, 07:02:40 PM
I have to admit I’m not averse to 3 at the back

Et tu, Nigel?

I’m sorry 😔
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Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
My issue with 3 at the back is very much based on trends. Almost no one plays with 2 up front now, some version of 1 up front and players either wider or deeper moving in to join them is much more common. That means only 1 of you 3 can be marking a forward (who will be moving across the line in most cases) and the other 2 are marking space but as they'll have spent most of their career playing in a 4 they just won't be used to doing that in a 3/5.

If you want to go with it then fine but you need to commit to it and drill the shape into players. throwing players into it as a whim because you're mixing things up just doesn't work and because so many managers 'give it a go' when they're struggling most fans associate it with a manager who has lost the plot. I'm not saying it can't work as an option, I just don't think it works anything like as well as people expect it to.

433 or some derivative of it still gives you the same 5 defensive players and still allows the full backs to get forward but because the DM is a 'spare'it doesn't damage the defensive shape anything like as much.

The back 3 I could get behind is 1 CB and 2 defensive fullbacks with 2 DMs in front then you get the fullbacks to man mark players like Salah, Rashford, etc who are wide forwards rather than wingers. You can even go with inverted or 2-footed fullbacks so they're stronger defending their inside shoulder and can force those players to try to find space out wide where they're less dangerous. I doubt many teams would be brave enough to try that though.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 26, 2021, 07:32:51 PM
Agree Paul e .
Very few talk about the tactical limitations of 3 ( it’s pretty easy to make the 3 a 5 and then dominate thae space in the central areas) and how difficult it is for players to adapt to it.
In fact most players don’t like it because they have not been bought up  to play that way.
Our defence is not the problem, so why tamper with the part of the set up that is working?
What happens ahead of the defence is where the problems start.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 26, 2021, 07:50:29 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.

That would be a great trip, but have they finished their stadium?  They were using the san Siro the last time I looked.
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Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2021, 07:53:29 PM
Don’t Wolves play three at the back?
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Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 07:54:36 PM
Don’t Wolves play three at the back?

*wipes milk from lips*

Exactly.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
Atalanta play 3 at the back a lot, and are the most exciting team in Europe right now IMO.

Good for them, really, but please stop it.

Stop what? Mentioning Atalanta? Alright then.

No, three at the back. Nothing good will come from it.

Oh good I can still talk about Atalanta, nice.

I've never understood this level of antipathy to 3 at the back. It's a bit particular, sure, but it works sometimes and can do a bunch of different styles. Just because Paul Lambert thought it was a good idea doesn't mean it's bad. Not quite anyway.

That would be a great trip, but have they finished their stadium?  They were using the san Siro the last time I looked.

Only for the Champions League for some reason. But we have to wait for full reopening,  but the Bergameschi are great craic.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2021, 08:07:46 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
my argument is merely for flexibility, which means formations shouldn't be 'a given'.
Whether it's 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1 or whatever, other successful teams deploy a variation; frequently.
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Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2021, 08:10:37 PM
Don’t Wolves play three at the back?

*wipes milk from lips*

Exactly.

This surely can be put to bed then.
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Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
.. three at the back is horrendous.
Here we go again ...
The top teams seem to be able to transition between 4 at the back and 3 CB when required. Why not Villa? Klopp, Tuchel, Rodgers, Ancelotti and others are wrong?
my argument is merely for flexibility, which means formations shouldn't be 'a given'.
Whether it's 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1 or whatever, other successful teams deploy a variation; frequently.

How often do teams switch from a back 4 to 3 or 5 though? Here and there in games where they're desperate and sacrifice a defender for another striker and most of the time it has no impact so no one remembers. Much more common is shifting players around in midfield and up front where positioning is less important (and movement is king).
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Post by: Risso on April 26, 2021, 09:50:29 PM
Any system is only as good as the players in it though. With Jack fit and firing on all cylinders, 4-3-3 worked really well. With him running rings around everybody, even Trez's graft but lack of skill looked OK, because it gave the more central players like McGinn and Barkley a chance to be more attacking.  As soon as we've had to play a combination of Traore/Trez and El Ghazi either side of Watkins though, it's looked like a massive bag of shite, because none of these three are good enough consistently to make it work.

So while I'm no massive fan of 3-5-2, I think with our current players it could certainly work.  Targett and Cash have been two of our better players this year and would certainly be more than good enough at wing back. The three in the middle would allow the likes of McGinn to play in his preferred attacking role, and we wouldn't have to watch El Ghazi and Traore achieve the square root of bugger all, game after game. Even with Jack back I think it would be good, because he could then have a free role behind Ollie making it far less easy to mark him out of games.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 11:53:56 PM
95/96 being airbrushed from history, seen it all on this site now.

Sir Brian Little adores the formation and really things started going wrong when he did that weird thing at start of 97/98 playing Yorke in central midfield or number 10 or wherever the hell he was while Collymore scored once in his first 20 games.

Will have to have a re-read of his book and lift the quotes just to annoy cdb further (wink).
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Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
So Tuanzebe in a back three with Konsa and Mings then? The wingless wonders with McGinn and Grealish playing off Watkins.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Douglas Luiz the ball playing libero obvs....
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Post by: olaftab on April 27, 2021, 04:19:17 AM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

As reluctant as I am to agree with cd, three-at-the-back merchants are literally worse than slavers.
I am shocked just when I was mounting up the courage to propose we erect a John Gregory statue in front of the Holte suite😟
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Post by: ROBBO on April 27, 2021, 06:35:11 AM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 27, 2021, 07:15:59 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.

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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.



We don't know what shape Wesley is going to be in long term, and while everybody is pleased for Davis, one goal does not equal emerging as a goal scorer, surely? One swallow and all that.
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Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2021, 07:59:13 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.
Agree with Risso re Wes and Davis, and: perhaps Hause is the cover for Targett.
If we're talking a major pullback from spending, we could get away with 1 signing - a strong CMF.

However, I think that our owners will see this summer as an opportunity to spend and get ahead of where we are.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2021, 08:39:46 AM
Just why? Why must posters keep revealing their depravity?

Three at the back, honestly. Why not bring back slavery while we're at it? Sickos.

It only works if you have Alan Wright motoring down the left hand side once every ten games though.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.
and we don’t need to go 3 at the back to get the most out of him..
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 09:21:58 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.
Agree with Risso re Wes and Davis, and: perhaps Hause is the cover for Targett.
If we're talking a major pullback from spending, we could get away with 1 signing - a strong CMF.

However, I think that our owners will see this summer as an opportunity to spend and get ahead of where we are.

Surely the Wes and Davis thing should be discussed at the end of the season. For Wes the question was always if he could come back from the injury so he has 6 games to show he is on track for that. For Davis there was the massive elephant in the room that he'd never scored in this league, now he's got his first lets see if the people who thought he just needed the goal to get some confidence were right. if they can get 2-3 goals between them in the next 6 games I think that earns them the first half of next season to really step up and give us 3 good options without spending anything.

For me our target should be (at least) 20 goals from our strikers, 20 from our wide players and 15 from midfield and defence for the season. If you score 55 goals in the premier league you'll be in the mix for the top 6, particularly with a defensive record like ours.

This season the breakdown is Strikers=13, Wingers=20, Midfield and Defence=11 so clearly we need more from the forwards next year but if Wes and Davis can get even a couple between them before the summer reaching that 20 will look a lot more realistic, add a couple from Ollie and we won't be far off this year. That's why I don't think we're as far off really challenging for the top 6 as a lot of people on here think.

That said I don't think there will be a reduction in spending though, if anything this summer is the best opportunity the club will have to flex a bit and spend big money because FFP for the last 2 years is largely unenforceable and I doubt it will survive as a concept as a result. The whole idea needs to be reviewed and the 'ladder pulling' aspect needs to be addressed, particularly given the clubs that pushed for that part are the same bunch of twats that tried to create their own monopoly league.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2021, 09:50:54 AM
Did I dream that Leicester changed to 3-5-2 the season they went on that amazing run to survive?  Possibly I did but I thought Nigel changed it midway into the season.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 27, 2021, 10:18:25 AM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.



We don't know what shape Wesley is going to be in long term, and while everybody is pleased for Davis, one goal does not equal emerging as a goal scorer, surely? One swallow and all that.

One swallow was all it took to get me hooked. [/Julian Clary]
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 10:27:42 AM
FFP is dead, for now.
Survival for many is going to be the focus.
Across Europe Governments have been propping up enterprises, relaxing Insolvency Rules, suspending Landlords and Creditor rights.
As we come out of the pandemic we are likely to hear the word " Restructuring" applying to all sorts of Business including Football Clubs.
We are fortunate to have the Balance Sheet and the owners we have and it will be interesting to see to what extent we capatalise on this.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 27, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Is FFP actually dead? I've heard lots of people say this but no confirmation.
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Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2021, 11:35:36 AM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.
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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.
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Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2021, 12:07:53 PM
In the Premier League though, there aren't very many players at all that create good opportunities and he's one of the few. Grealish is streets ahead of the rest.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 12:18:18 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 12:30:27 PM
Is FFP actually dead? I've heard lots of people say this but no confirmation.
There has been various stories but I have not seen anything official.
The existing criteria just wont work and it will be very difficult to come up with a formula that would work under these circumstances.
I would think they may start to look at other measurements in due course.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
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Post by: Moonraker on April 27, 2021, 01:44:07 PM
Not really sure Davis can really be described as "emerged as a goal scorer" but really hope he can be soon.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
Not really sure Davis can really be described as "emerged as a goal scorer" but really hope he can be soon.
he scored "a goal"

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Post by: Moonraker on April 27, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Yes, well spotted, but not sure we should call off our search for a more regular goal scorer just yet.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
Because we're massively off form and have been for 20 games.  Another decent striker could have freshened things up, allowed other formations, Ollie to play on the left etc or just got us some goals and points off the bench.  Not getting someone in in Jan to relieve the pressure on Ollie was a huge mistake.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?
Because we're massively off form and have been for 20 games.  Another decent striker could have freshened things up, allowed other formations, Ollie to play on the left etc or just got us some goals and points off the bench.  Not getting someone in in Jan to relieve the pressure on Ollie was a huge mistake.

So it didn't then but you think another striker might have made a difference. In my opinion a midfielder to carry the ball out would have been much more useful, Sanson might be that player but he needs time and we thought Barkley was that player until his injury. On that basis I think we'd be nuts to not make a quality central midfielder our priority.
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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2021, 02:24:08 PM
It's possible to buy more than one player I believe.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2021, 02:29:44 PM
Well if you think having to play the same striker for every minute of every game without any options to shake up our system or bring fresh legs off the bench hasn't had a negative impact on our season then fair enough.  I disagree. 

Of course we need midfielders.  But I still think it would be crazy to go into a new season gambling on an undercooked forward line for a third season running. 
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 03:01:52 PM
Well if you think having to play the same striker for every minute of every game without any options to shake up our system or bring fresh legs off the bench hasn't had a negative impact on our season then fair enough.  I disagree. 

Of course we need midfielders.  But I still think it would be crazy to go into a new season gambling on an undercooked forward line for a third season running. 



We've had to play the same defence every game and we've played McGinn and Luiz in almost every game as well (other than Nakamba getting a few starts and mostly looking out of his depth). The whole squad is lacking depth but you're focused on a position where players returning from injuries and getting fit could be the answer. We play with 1 striker most of the time (I know there are people that don't like that but it's still true) so 3 is plenty, especially with Barry coming through as well. Yes Wesley needs to prove his fitness and Davis needs to show he's improving but we have a perfect opportunity to let them have a chance to do that in the next 6 games.


There's just too many unknowns right now to say we NEED to get another striker in the summer which is why I don't think it's "nuts" to consider not needing to spend that money.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 27, 2021, 03:13:30 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.

Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace
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Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.
Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.
If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.
Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace
Very succinctly put, UKR.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 27, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
Interesting article here (https://www.twm.news/football-premier-league-wingers-2020-2021-season/) that was written in February and focuses on wingers and productivity, number of dribbles, chances created etc.

Grealish is of course the most productive for .xg opportunities but there were a couple of other interesting things in the article for players we could consider. I was surprised about Adama Traore and the number of players he beats and chances he creates. Perhaps I misjudged and we should consider going for him after all. He certainly has the pace etc that would trouble a defence with Grealish on the other side.

If we were getting last year's version, it would certainly be worth it. This year's? No ta. Every time I've seen the Dogheads play he literally stands around doing nothing, before trying the odd sprint in a straight line. One goal and two assists is a crap return, and we're not short of inconsistent wide players.

Adama is is just N'Zogbia with more pace

He really isn't.
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Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2021, 04:21:21 PM
I don't dislike him as much as many but for me Adama is what you'd get if you created a custom player on Football manager and gave him 15-20 in all technical and physical stats but straight 1s in mental stats, his ability to read play, his decision making, his movement off the ball is all on the level of a 10 year in the school playground, at best.
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Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2021, 04:33:46 PM
He has that unusual, squat build of a fighter (boxer?) that you rarely see in a footballer (i.e closer to Maradona's shape).

I wonder if he make the most of it - at times he glides past players partly due to it, something to do with a lower/different centre of gravity? Then again, is the focus on a muscular build a vanity thing? Dousing his arms with baby oil before games might give the answer. I do like watching him play though even if he's not quite the real deal.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 27, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
I'd be happy with him back. He has the potential to frighten opponents. Lots of people seem to have decided Lingard is the real deal, based on one decent half season after years of mediocrity, but many of the same people have written Adama Traore off after one underwhelming campaign.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 27, 2021, 05:01:01 PM
Wolves fan I know absolutely can't wait to offload him.
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Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2021, 05:26:44 PM
I'd be happy to swap him for AEG or Trez.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2021, 06:19:27 PM
So many other clubs out there. 

I don't see why he'd head back, or feel any particular affinity for, a club where he previously had a bad time.

An alternative wide player to Grealish is probably where we're going to see the biggest investment this summer, particularly to the injury to Trez.

I'd prefer that to be on something better than a Wolves reserve.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2021, 06:27:11 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.
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Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2021, 06:47:56 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 27, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2021, 06:53:21 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
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Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2021, 07:13:43 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
God?
Unfortunately I don’t think his knees are up for it anymore.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.


god yes
God?
Unfortunately I don’t think his knees are up for it anymore.


ha ha yes , sorry blasphemy
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Post by: Exeter 77 on April 27, 2021, 08:06:02 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.
He may be even slightly faster than Tony Daley but Daley was more consistent as wingers go (also one of my favourite players).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?

5 points gained from losing positions is very low total for team that's been top half 90% of the season.

Just in last few weeks Newcastle have got two draws in last 5 minutes v Spurs and Liverpool and beaten Burnley from a goal down so they've matched that total and they're a bog standard bottom 6 team. Think all those goals were scored from players off the bench.

We simply don't have enough players who can come on with half an hour left and up the tempo and pin opposition back, at the moment it's more bringing on a Trez or Davis to see a game out.

We need 5-6 Fulham type games next season to be in with serious chance of europa spot as we were always decent at getting points from behind in games in the MON years.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Duvan Zapata linked.

That sounds more like it.

Just the 77 Serie A goals since 2016 and Atalanta might want to cash in on him now he's hit 30.

Probably someone West Ham will go for.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Duvan Zapata linked.

That sounds more like it.

Just the 77 Serie A goals since 2016 and Atalanta might want to cash in on him now he's hit 30.
Not sure he's type Dean is looking for. Not doubting his quality - I just expected us to go for younger, players with a sell on value etc.

To be fair, Zapata might be looking to play in the Champions League again next season.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 08:43:16 PM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.
Imagine that.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.

He is. Just a shame he can't cross. Great defender though.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2021, 09:02:38 PM
Targett is the best winger we have on the books.

He is. Just a shame he can't cross. Great defender though.
I don't think Targett's delivery is that bad
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2021, 09:21:51 PM
I don't either. The WBA RB was incredibly good at blocking every single cross seemingly on Sunday. He got an assist for the Ollie goal at Newcastle a few weeks back.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2021, 10:08:00 PM
I'd be happy with him back. He has the potential to frighten opponents. Lots of people seem to have decided Lingard is the real deal, based on one decent half season after years of mediocrity, but many of the same people have written Adama Traore off after one underwhelming campaign.

Can't be easy for any wide man if your main centre forward, Jimenez, is out injured for a long time and his replacements are beyond useless. That was us last season to a degree.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on April 28, 2021, 01:35:25 AM
With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward.

Davis has 6 career goals in 5 seasons and Wesley was mostly dire before his injury. The chances of him now becoming a somewhat prolific goalscorer for us after his horrific injury is slim to none.

I shudder to think what would happen to us if we lost Watkins to injury early on next season with your bright ideas.
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Post by: tony scott on April 28, 2021, 03:58:10 AM
Even if Wesley gets six in six I’m sure we will buy another striker and loan out KD
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Post by: caster troy on April 28, 2021, 10:33:54 AM
My wish list below. I would go all in on three top players and promote youth to provide backups.

A striker/right winger who can cover Watkins, play alongside him or replace Traore as required.
A number 10 who can also ideally cover left wing. Rotate with positions with Jack and give Chukwuemeka chances at 10 also.
A Kante type player to protect the back 4

Listen to offers for Guilbert, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Engels

Loan out Davis, Barry, A Ramsey, Bogarde

Promote Kesler Hayden as cover for Cash and option on right wing. Chukwumeka (who ideally should be getting game time right now in preparation).

If there is money in the pot after all that maybe get a backup to Targett and loan out Chrisene.
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Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
He's Tony Daley on the roids.

Sounds ace.

I loved watching Tony Daley.
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Post by: Moonraker on April 28, 2021, 10:52:30 AM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....
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Post by: OzVilla on April 28, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Wondering today if ‘our Chuck’ could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?
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Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
Wondering today if ‘our Chuck’ could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?
With a decent DMF, we'd have Chuk, McGinn and Sanson as good ball-carrying midfielders.
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Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2021, 12:41:08 PM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....

He's the fittest fifty-something you could wish to emulate.
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Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
If you go to David Lloyd gym you can watch him again, he is there most mornings. You may pick up a restraining order though....

He's the fittest fifty-something you could wish to emulate.

He's in unbelievable shape, he's probably bigger then Traore.

What a player he was though, I always felt he was underrated. His pace was all that ever got mentioned, but he had tricks and could finish with either foot, near or far.

Mad to think we sold a brilliant local talent in Mark Walters and just replaced him with another. Mark was possibly more gifted but I think Daley had more end product, and was more direct.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.
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Post by: hipkiss92 on April 28, 2021, 01:21:41 PM
With cov-id having a major impact on our finances I cannot see us spending £100 million this summer

With Wesley now coming back to fitness and the emergence of Davis as a goal scorer we don't need another forward, I would imagine that we will look to sign another midfielder and a left back as cover for Targett.


Christ, it's just this sort of thinking that has derailed our last two seasons.  We would be nuts not to buy another striker. If either of those two come good then great, that's a bonus.


How has the amount of strikers we have derailed this season?

5 points gained from losing positions is very low total for team that's been top half 90% of the season.

Just in last few weeks Newcastle have got two draws in last 5 minutes v Spurs and Liverpool and beaten Burnley from a goal down so they've matched that total and they're a bog standard bottom 6 team. Think all those goals were scored from players off the bench.

We simply don't have enough players who can come on with half an hour left and up the tempo and pin opposition back, at the moment it's more bringing on a Trez or Davis to see a game out.

We need 5-6 Fulham type games next season to be in with serious chance of europa spot as we were always decent at getting points from behind in games in the MON years.

Equally, we didn't go behind in that many games (comparatively) to a normal season, or drop points from a leading position until the last few games.
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Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
My wish list below. I would go all in on three top players and promote youth to provide backups.

A striker/right winger who can cover Watkins, play alongside him or replace Traore as required.
A number 10 who can also ideally cover left wing. Rotate with positions with Jack and give Chukwuemeka chances at 10 also.
A Kante type player to protect the back 4

Listen to offers for Guilbert, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Engels

Loan out Davis, Barry, A Ramsey, Bogarde

Promote Kesler Hayden as cover for Cash and option on right wing. Chukwumeka (who ideally should be getting game time right now in preparation).

If there is money in the pot after all that maybe get a backup to Targett and loan out Chrisene.

A striker, starting winger, starting deep lying midfielder and a left back to challenge Targett would be on my list. 

Think as the season has gone on, it has become increasingly apparent that we need a solid, mobile defensive midfielder in the mould of Ndidi at Leicester and along with a striker, I think that is a priority.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on April 28, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.
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Post by: caster troy on April 28, 2021, 02:51:08 PM
Wondering today if ‘our Chuck’ could save us £40 million on that ball carrying midfielder?

I want to see him further up the pitch playing closer to Grealish, he seems to be deadly in and around the box and could really exploit the space Jack creates. Similar to Barkley's role before he fell apart.
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Post by: UK Redsox on April 28, 2021, 03:45:22 PM

Mad to think we sold a brilliant local talent in Mark Walters and just replaced him with another. Mark was possibly more gifted but I think Daley had more end product, and was more direct.

I watched quite a bit of Walters at Bristol Rovers. He still had class in his mid-thirties
Vitālijs Astafjevs was my favourite player from that era at rovers. He was one of the Rovers players that I was saying Villa should sign back then. Same goes for Rickie Lambert

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Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2021, 04:28:31 PM
Too many funky vowel-consonant mash-ups.
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Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.

The article I posted had him as creating far more opportunities than most players, and way more dribbles and passing players too. Which is what had me changing my mind.

“You know I always tell people in our businesses great judgement, overrated, great information, underrated,” said Wes Edens. “Because truly if you have great information most of the decisions are pretty darn simple. Yeah and so I feel like in soccer they’ve got a long way to go in terms of analytics data."



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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.

Much better than James Morrison.  Neto is very good though.
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Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2021, 07:16:27 PM
I’d rather have Neto than Traore if we raided Wolves.

I'd still rather have Aldi Saint-Maximin.

Brian Lidl for me.

Much better than James Morrison.  Neto is very good though.

We should look at the promising Irish midfielder, Tesc O'Fabragas.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 28, 2021, 07:25:16 PM
We should be looking at cheaper players in England - yes, Home Bargains 
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Post by: Monty on April 28, 2021, 07:28:42 PM
We need a reserve left-back now we are sans Bree.
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Post by: CT on April 28, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
We could head back to the Belgium leagues again for Trent Sainsbury.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on April 28, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
We could head back to the Belgium leagues again for Trent Sainsbury.

I think we’re more in the Fortnum & Mason league now rather than the Sainsbury’s.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2021, 10:49:16 PM
Glad we didn’t wait for Rose from spurs.
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Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2021, 10:54:45 PM
I have always thought Adama Traore was shit, and bar a very short spell at Wolves where he was slightly improved, he remains turbo-shit for me.

Runs fast, big lad, that's basically the lot.

Exactly, a 20 minute sub option at one of the Champions League team he’d be good but as a starter in a middle of the road team his reputation scares much more than his end product deserves
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Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
Is Asda Hartford still playing?
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Post by: algy on April 29, 2021, 10:19:01 AM
Rumours on t'internet are that Chelsea are open to offers for Tammy Abraham.

Need to get that done.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
We have to be a bit more clear-eyed on Tammy. I like him, but Watkins is better, and the cost is likely to be well above value. We have other expensive priorities in attacking midfield, if you ask me, which is where the money really needs to go.
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 11:04:17 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.

A no for me at that price. We need somebody ideally who can play in any of the front three positions, ie a Salah type.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
£40m for a proven PL striker sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

We desperately need more options up front and Tammy would give us that.  We need to think bigger that Ollie or Tammy, for a strong squad we need both. 
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Post by: algy on April 29, 2021, 11:11:53 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.
Think the case for Tammy is that him & Ollie can both play on the wing if needed, so playing one doesn't necessarily exclude the other from the team (though I'd see both as primarily centre forwards).

I'd generally prefer to go down the route of having a front 4 (centre forward, 2 wingers, central attacking midfielder) who are for the most part interchangeable.  For example, a front 4 of Tammy (CF/RW) / Jack (LW/AM) / Ollie (CF/LW) / Bertie (RW/AM) could offer 2 options in every position.  We could also switch between 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 for short periods to match the flow of the game, without needing to make any substitutions.

All that said - £40m seems steep to me for a player they don't really want.  I'd happily go up to about £30m for him, but I'd suspect much higher than that and we could get better value elsewhere.  We need to be buying players who'll be worth £40m in 1-2 years time, not players who cost us that to begin with (unless we expect them to be £100m+ players, which I don't think Tammy is)
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Post by: in exile on April 29, 2021, 11:13:05 AM
I say go get him.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 11:14:25 AM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2021, 11:24:43 AM
£40 million for Tammy. Discuss.

A no for me at that price. We need somebody ideally who can play in any of the front three positions, ie a Salah type.

It's a no from me too. I have doubts about whether he finishes a high enough % of his chances plus we still have Wesley. I'd rather see how Wes gets on and maybe sign someone like Giroud on a one year contract as a back-up striker / experienced head to have around. Doubt the latter fits our transfer profile though.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Maybe if we were in Europe or had a manager who rotates. The wing and midfield is in more pressing need of guaranteed starters to come in and replace the current incumbents.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2021, 11:57:38 AM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.
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Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
I think Abraham would suit us for a couple of years and then the plan will be to move to bigger and better things.

We don't need to replace Watkins but heaven forbid he were to get injured......
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Personally I think £40 million sounds like a considerable part of the transfer budget and probably overpriced. However, I balance that with Tammy knowing both the club and the league, as well as having a good relationship with our main attacking threat in Jack. In an ideal world, you'd sign someone from Ligue 2 for fifty grand who doesn't know the meaning of the word sitter, but our dealings with Samatta and Wesley show that you can pay anything and still not really be guaranteed goals.

For £40 million, in this transfer market, Abraham is as good as you can get for at least ten or fifteen of your goals a season. My only caveat would be to sort the midfield and the wings first before you bet the farm.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 12:09:55 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

But Dean seems set on the current formation; with no Europe we play about 40-42 games a season (shit run in the FA cup, decent one in the Carabao) with a manager who doesn't overly-rotate. I can't see us having two "name" forwards. Keeping Wesley and Davis in reserve seems more logical if a little uninspiring.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
I think Abraham would suit us for a couple of years and then the plan will be to move to bigger and better things.

We don't need to replace Watkins but heaven forbid he were to get injured......

Yeah, I'm down with that. At the moment we have two players who we absolutely can't do without... Grealish and Watkins. Abraham would make us more likely to score, and would make us less vulnerable to having a season fall apart if one of the irreplaceables gets injured, as happened this year.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 12:34:24 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2021, 12:51:06 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

They don't both need to start every game.  We need to get away from that type of thinking, we need options.  They could easily play together in a variety of formations, but if we're looking for top 4-6 then we need a squad and players who can be rotated / rested as needed.  Anyhow, I think Ollie could be very good playing from the left in a Mane / Salah type role.
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 12:52:24 PM
But if Tammy came, both he and Watkins would be starting. Neither would put-up with being benched. So one would have to be moved out wide or we play two up top.

They don't both need to start every game.  We need to get away from that type of thinking, we need options.  They could easily play together in a variety of formations, but if we're looking for top 4-6 then we need a squad and players who can be rotated / rested as needed.  Anyhow, I think Ollie could be very good playing from the left in a Mane / Salah type role.

If we're spending £40m he'd better start every game, as that's money we need to spend on improving the first team.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2021, 12:56:14 PM
Agreed, Paul_e. That's the type of quality we should be looking to bring in. Who was the Norwegian player you were banging on about recently, was there somebody else other than Berge?
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Get him. £40, scores goals at this level. 2 players capable of 15 a season and the right age.
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Post by: JJ-AV on April 29, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.

Abraham said he prefers the wing? Where's that from?
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Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
We need a player that can feed Watkins if Grealish is out, he will get plenty of goals with a good supply. Why get Tammy and play him on a wing we already have three players wingers who are not capable.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
Not that I'm advocating spending money for the sake of it, but I've just been reading a little bit about that Van Der Beek at United, who barely plays and cost £35 million. I suppose my point would be that it doesn't really matter the cost if the player is useful, and judged on those terms £40 million for Abraham is a no-brainer.
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 01:07:06 PM
I really hope Smith starts Davis against Everton, mainly because I want to see how Watkins does playing slightly wider. He's such a good player I don't think it would lessen his attacking ability very much. If that looks like it works, then Tammy might work playing the 9 role with Grealish on one side and Watkins on the other. I still think there'd be better value out there though.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
Agreed, Paul_e. That's the type of quality we should be looking to bring in. Who was the Norwegian player you were banging on about recently, was there somebody else other than Berge?

No that was Berge, most of the Norwegians I talk to reckon Berge, Haaland and Odegaard are a long away ahead of the rest of their squad. A few have high hopes for a kid called Bobb at Man City though. There's a winger at AC Milan as well but most of them don't think he was ready for such a big step up.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 01:16:03 PM
Not that I'm advocating spending money for the sake of it, but I've just been reading a little bit about that Van Der Beek at United, who barely plays and cost £35 million. I suppose my point would be that it doesn't really matter the cost if the player is useful, and judged on those terms £40 million for Abraham is a no-brainer.

That entirely depends on the budget and priorities. Lets go with £100m for the year and the first 2 players we're after are a midfielder and winger (which realistically are just replacing Barkley and Trez in the squad) but we also need cover and left back and potentially centre back. If all of that is true then spending nearly half the budget on a striker would be a bad use of the money and wouldn't have as much impact as buying 2 25-35m player in those 2 priority positions. If it's a striker who players wider and has proven quality doing so then that's different but I just don't see Tammy as that player.
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Post by: CT Villan on April 29, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.
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Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2021, 01:50:16 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.

Would be a lot more than another £5m, they paid nearly £60m for him and he plays when he's fit.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.
Fantastic player, doubt Chelsea would sell, doubt  he would come and the price would nearer 70 mill+
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Post by: Risso on April 29, 2021, 01:51:07 PM
As its not my money, we should spend the extra 5-10 million and get Pulisic from Chelsea instead of Tammy. A far more mobile player that can contribute to all phases of attack rather than just finishing.

Would be a lot more than another £5m, they paid nearly £60m for him and he plays when he's fit.

Agreed, no chance at all they're selling him, one of their best players.
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Post by: CT Villan on April 29, 2021, 02:01:39 PM
I was going by the TransferMarkt.com valuation, but you are right the final price can be much more than their valuation and Chelsea are unlikely to sell.

Still, doesn't stop me from dreaming of a Jack - Ollie - Pulisic front-line which would be a Champ's League -worthy attack.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
Pulisic seems very much one of Tuchel's starters.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 29, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
Pulisic seems very much one of Tuchel's starters.

So he should be, he's fucking superb.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:06:18 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2021, 03:09:24 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
Not the German version of Scott Hogan?
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.
Not the German version of Scott Hogan?

You make it sound so tempting ...
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Post by: Monty on April 29, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
If they still think Havertz is useless (under Tuechel I doubt it) then I'd take him. Genuine talent IMO.
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 03:29:01 PM
We'd probably wind-up with Werner and he'd get 6 goals next season.
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Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2021, 03:36:13 PM
If they still think Havertz is useless (under Tuechel I doubt it) then I'd take him. Genuine talent IMO.

I agree, he's going to be a superb player in a few years, I can't believe Tuchel doesn't know that though.
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Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2021, 03:47:44 PM
We need a player that can feed Watkins if Grealish is out, he will get plenty of goals with a good supply. Why get Tammy and play him on a wing we already have three players wingers who are not capable.
That's why we should be looking at Pereira and / or Buendia. Both would add serious quality to our midfield / wing as well as offering the creativity alongside JG or in his absence.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
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Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2021, 05:19:03 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
Buendia may stay at Norwich, but he may also believe that he stands a better chance of European footie and international recognition with us. He and Martinez can join forces to break into the Argentinian squad.
Re Pereira, did you notice after Sunday's game the discussion going between him, Luiz and Wes: perhaps we can create our own Brazilian enclave in B6.
And we can probably pay both of them more than other alternatives.
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Post by: DrGonzo on April 29, 2021, 05:58:51 PM
49 pages and no rumours?  Just the a circular arguement, sorry discussion?  Back next month!! =D
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Post by: Gareth on April 29, 2021, 06:06:19 PM
At the end of the day none of us have a clue what the board are planning on spending this summer, if they are planning 150m spend then Tammy at 40m is a hell yes for me....if we are planning on spending 50/60m then there are other positions more vital for that spend.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2021, 09:06:59 PM
If we're taking a random attacking player from Chelsea Ziyech would be my choice.

Also a regular starter from them. Most realistic I think will be Hudson Odoi offered around on season long loan. Feels to me that while Terry remains here we'll be in with a shout of anyone they loan out.

Hudson Odoi seems incredibly hyped but can't say he's looked that amazing so far in his Chelsea career compared to the other attackers they have.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 29, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
Can Tammy really play on the wing? Ollie sure, but I don't know if Tammy has ever looked comfortable as anything other than a no. 9.

He says on the wing is his preferred position but at £40m I think there is better out there, the only question is can we attract them as competition will be strong. Donyell Malen at PSV looks ideal; 22 years old, strong, technically gifted, mobile and knows where the back of the net is. We talk about giving teams something else to worry about other than Jack, he's a real handful and looks the real deal.

He says he prefers the wing but that's quite the same as him being good enough out there. I'm with Monty I just don't see him doing it.

I agree on Malen, he looks to have absolutely everything you want in a forward who can also play wide and deep, I mentioned him a month or so back as one of the 3 I'd look closely at this summer. Gouiri and Thuram are the other 2, all have different strengths but they can play central or wide and would give us extra flexibility and quality.

Add a Bissouma/Berge/similar as well and that would be the 2 big signings done for me and the other couple of options to look at could be much cheaper as options to develop over a couple of years, I'd pay attention to the U21 euros for that.

Abraham said he prefers the wing? Where's that from?

I can’t find the quote, but I remember it. I’m pretty sure that, rather than saying he preferred it, he said it was his best position. Anyway, I’d pay it. I think at his age and what he’s done already in the game, he’s going to be a top player. A certainty to join the Premier League 100 goals club at least.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on April 29, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
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Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2021, 11:12:02 PM
Plus the old "He played well against us".
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
But with the added bonus of plenty of others too.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2021, 11:52:58 PM
Buendia will stay at Watford now they are back in prem , could have been possible last summer. more chance of Pereira , but I can imagine Leicester going for him .
Buendia may stay at Norwich, but he may also believe that he stands a better chance of European footie and international recognition with us. He and Martinez can join forces to break into the Argentinian squad.
Re Pereira, did you notice after Sunday's game the discussion going between him, Luiz and Wes: perhaps we can create our own Brazilian enclave in B6.
And we can probably pay both of them more than other alternatives.


Norwich of course.      Bissouma will leave Brighton but can see him going to a scab team
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Post by: algy on April 30, 2021, 08:18:15 AM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
Yeah, to me him & Berge seem obvious targets. Should be able to pick up both at a reasonable price, I'd think.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2021, 09:42:21 AM
Pereira looks the obvious choice to me. Reasonably versatile, bags of skill, good age, already settled in the area, about to be relegated so will presumably be open to offers...
Yeah, to me him & Berge seem obvious targets. Should be able to pick up both at a reasonable price, I'd think.

According to an Athletic article, Berge has a relegation release clause although no mention of the figure.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 30, 2021, 09:52:21 AM
Berge looks crap to me, don't see the fuss in him....
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Post by: darren woolley on April 30, 2021, 10:01:03 AM
I hope we sign Tammy.
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
I hope we sign Tammy.
Me too Darren.  Amazing on a lot of the socials loads of people now seem to think we're too good for him.  Dunno when that happened?
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Post by: sid1964 on April 30, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Can’t imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?
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Post by: danno on April 30, 2021, 10:36:59 AM
If he got more chances and scored more goals playing wide, I'm sure he'd come around. I remember hearing we shouldn't sign Martinez because Heaton wouldn't like it. If we're serious about moving forward, we can't worry about signing better defenders and midfielders because Mings and McGinn might get upset.

I think a front three of Abraham Watkins and Grealish would switch and interchange constantly anyway.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 30, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Can’t imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?

Don't see the Tammy/Watkins combo working at all. Watkins is much better at leading the line, Tammy much better in the box. But that ship has sailed. Watkins is a better fit for us these days. Need to get better players around Grealish and Watkins next season. Not the likes of Traore, Barks, AEG or Trez
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Can’t imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?
They don't both have to play every minute of every game.  It would give us excellent options in a variety of formations and this is the sort of quality we need if we're going to push on.  I agree with Danno, a front three of Watkins, Grealish and Tammy could be awesome.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2021, 12:18:47 PM
I think Berge looks a very good player.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2021, 12:36:38 PM
If we have £100m to spend (and lets be honest, we are reliant on the generosity of our owners here) then I think it will add more value, ie improve the team more, if we buy a right winger and solid midfielder. 
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Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
If we have £100m to spend (and lets be honest, we are reliant on the generosity of our owners here) then I think it will add more value, ie improve the team more, if we buy a right winger and solid midfielder.

Presuming Jack Grealish stays, then those would be my two priority positions as well.  We just need to upgrade the back up options in a few positions then.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 30, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
Assuming we have a reasonable transfer budget, then Tammy is a 'yes' from me.

It has to be a major improvement to have a number of talented strikers/forward players that are capable and comfortable both at interchanging during a match and being disciplined to operate in a given role for several games - especially if they can do that and cover more than one position.

Ollie Watkins has described himself as a 'Number 10', he has been a central striker for us and for Brentford and probably most came to the fore as a wide forward for Brentford.

When previously at the Villa, Tammy said his preferred position was wide left though he was used generally as a central striker and we know Grealish can operate from either wide area (typically from the left) and as a '10'.

Three young (ish) English players where we know the Grealish/Watkins and Grealish/Abraham combinations have worked brilliantly suggests great understanding and chemistry between them. Combining all three could/should increase that even more and would have a massive impact (IMO).

As well as being set up in a front 3 (in a number of permutations), in games when we might enjoy a lot of possession, I would love to see Ollie and Tammy playing as the most advanced strikers with Jack behind them. UTV.
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Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 30, 2021, 02:46:36 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.

Haven't seen much of him but from what I've heard the main concern isn't his ability but rather whether he's a bit injury prone.
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Post by: paul_e on April 30, 2021, 03:15:52 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure about Berge. Has never stood out for me when watching t'Blades. Paul is usually a good judge of a player but I wonder if his Norwegian pride is at play a bit here.

It might be, I won't deny it, but I don't think so, I guess everyone would say that though.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 30, 2021, 05:10:39 PM
Berge is a decent player for sure but is he a bit one paced? Perreira is just like the kind of player we would end up signing. See the likes of Sidwell, Nzogbia or even Watkins. Play well against us and we go for you.
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Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Berge is a decent player for sure but is he a bit one paced? Perreira is just like the kind of player we would end up signing. See the likes of Sidwell, Nzogbia or even Watkins. Play well against us and we go for you.
Look at Pereira's stats for this season and last; not shabby.
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Post by: nigel on April 30, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
If we signed Tammy (which I doubt) then would we have to change the way that the team is set up? Can’t imagine that Watkins would be too impressed if he was played out wide

Unless the idea would be to sell Watkins to make room for Tammy?

Don't see the Tammy/Watkins combo working at all. Watkins is much better at leading the line, Tammy much better in the box. But that ship has sailed. Watkins is a better fit for us these days. Need to get better players around Grealish and Watkins next season. Not the likes of Traore, Barks, AEG or Trez

I think it could work very well.
Both can play across the line, so it would be a fluid front line.
Add Jack to the equation and it actually looks pretty awesome.
I would be pretty excited at that.
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Post by: john e on April 30, 2021, 06:21:06 PM
I can't see us signing Tammy whilst we have Watkins, Wesley, Davis and the youngster breaking through

also can't see us persevering with Davis for so long to move him on now
we would take a big loss on Wesley purely because of his injury so can't see him going anywhere either
so for me no space for Tammy

Spend the money on the midfield and a decent wide player is what I would be recommending to the board forthwith

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Post by: algy on April 30, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.
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Post by: Rigadon on April 30, 2021, 07:24:19 PM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

Be still my beating heart. 
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Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2021, 07:35:19 PM
I'd be well happy if we signed McNeill, they'd want too much though.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 30, 2021, 08:08:31 PM
Do we have a war chest? Are Burnley bracing themselves?
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Post by: Dave on May 01, 2021, 08:09:56 AM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

I reckon that in an alternate universe where Lerner and O'Neill are in charge now, McNeil is who we would be throwing the whole transfer budget at.

Edit - in fact it would obviously be a £90m double "swoop" for McNeil and Chris Wood.
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Post by: Rigadon on May 01, 2021, 08:24:10 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.
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Post by: algy on May 01, 2021, 09:19:10 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.
I'm starting to think that's actually what we need now. I had a bit of that when we signed Barkley on loan (obvs that hasn't gone to plan), but having Grealish & AN Other as really big statement players, plus having less spectacular but still highly rated players (Martinez, Konsa, Mings, Watkins) would make us a really attractive proposition.

I'm not against picking the better players out from relegated clubs at all, but I'd expand that to anyone who finishes below 5th/6th place now, plus as you'd said a player a bit like when we signed Martinez from Arsenal - a player who's rated at a club several rungs above us on the ladder.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 01, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
According to football insider (yes, I know) we're "preparing a huge bid" for Dwight McNeill from Burnley.

Be still my beating heart.

Well, I would be very happy with Dwight McNeill, he is a very good player IMO
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 01, 2021, 09:34:59 AM
We need two forwards, a winger and one of a winger/number 10/striker dependant on where we see Jack playing.

Personally I'd prefer a striker and to use Watkins as predominantly as a wide-man. I think that'd give us balance and Watkins' work-rate would be effective on the wings and he's great at cutting in from wide and shooting.

If we can get Tammy I would, he has a great relationship with Jack.

Buendia/Perreira are both interesting, hard-working players and both could do a Jack-tribute act if Jack was out.

If we're very ambitious then Raphina from Leeds too. Would be big money but I'm sure they'd sell if it was financially right.

Perreira - Jack - Watkins
Abraham

With Wesley, Traore, Anwar and Davis in reserve seems strong enough for me.

Two starting CFs would allow us to go 3-5-2 too.

The midfield needs work, I'm not sure Luiz and McGinn complement each other in a two. Berg is interesting too, and again improves us at set pieces defensively and offensively.

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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2021, 09:52:08 AM
I'd be well happy if we signed McNeill, they'd want too much though.
the way I look at is with players like McNeill and Wood is they would improve the squad.... so they'd be useful, but I wouldn't want to pay what Burnley would ask for them.
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 11:07:53 AM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.


The price is the important thing though, looking around I've seen it range from £30m (which is about the most I'd go for) right up to £50-60m which is clearly taking the piss so it's a no for me on the grounds of him being too expensive and playing in the same position as our best player when we'd get much more value buying a right sided player instead.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 01, 2021, 11:15:56 AM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 01, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.
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Post by: CT on May 01, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.

Agreed. We know what we’re getting and we know he’ll score goals at this level (Chelsea’s top scorer).

Everyone talks about “matching Jack’s ambition” to make him stay. Well, this is the type of signing for me. We can’t go into another season relying on Ollie and a backup who isn’t the high standard we require to try and hit the top six. If Ollie gets injured, we’re knackered.

Ideally, I’d like to get him a little cheaper, but English goalscoring forwards won’t be cheap.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Through gritted teeth, I agree with cd.
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Post by: fredm on May 01, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
I've said it before in this thread and others, I am really hoping for a 'how the feck did they get him' signing.  If that comes with some solid players from relegated teams / clubs who have too many players, then that's OK with me too!  I'd rather revolution over evolution.

"How the fuck did they get him?" signing.  Aguerro anyone?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 01, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
Not my money. Abraham costs what he costs. I had my doubts about whether he'd step up after what he'd done with us previously, but those have been allayed. I think he'd be a good signing that'd push us on further.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2021, 12:03:06 PM
Tammy would be perfect for us.  He will score goals in our team.  Cannot see why anyone would turn their noses up at £40m.

Tammy scores most of his goals from inside the penalty area and Ollie likes to drop deep and wide so the combination of their two differing styles would work really well together in my opinion. Also, as a back up Christian Benteke is out of contract at Palace at the end of the season.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.
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Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Except Marcelo. Somehow he'll still be in the Real Madrid team in 2031.
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Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
I wouldn't want to move Jack from the left. I think he's found his best position there.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Interesting looking back at summer 2010.

We lost Milner and signed Stephen Ireland. A week later Spurs signed Rafael Van Der Vaart. From finishing above them in two out of the three previous seasons and 09/10 being pretty neck and neck up to the last 3 games they just crusied past us and only now a decade later does it feel like they're not that far ahead of us now and will surely be weaker in next 2-3 seasons if Kane moves on and they struggle to get in a decent manager.

I have no issue with our recruitment last summer as all the signings were a big success. However it's still only got us to 11th in the league. We saw 10 years back it's much harder to move up from 6th to 4th than say 11th to 8th which we'll hopefully do in next two seasons so we will simply have to attract a better quality.

Interesting which was the last team to finish top 6 with largely squad of lower league players and hardly anyone who's played CL football. People talk about Leicester but likes of Johnny Evans, Periera, Tielemans and Castagne all played in the competition or international regulars before signing so guess their 2016 title winning team was last one.

We need to find a couple of Martinez types for outfield positions I think. Players at good standard clubs who've come in and looked good but can't quite get a regular game so motivated to move on and start 30 + games somewhere, there are plenty out there if you look enough (and increasingly in the modern game have connections).

Van Der Vaart all those years ago was classic case given he wasn't starting at Real Madrid. We tried to get Snejider from Real Madrid around that time, went to Inter Milan and was one of best players in world football in 2009-10. Falcao another from around that period.
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Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 01:26:35 PM
I do wonder how serious those links to Sneijder and Falcao were. Even if they were interested and we had the money, O'Neill was probably dreaming of Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll or similar. He just didn't do non-UK based players and preferred wing-play over central, flair players.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2021, 01:38:48 PM
If we're very ambitious then Raphina from Leeds too. Would be big money but I'm sure they'd sell if it was financially right.

Leeds would probably want £80m for him. The Plastics and Liverpool are rumoured to be interested in him. He only cost them £17m but was originally priced at £34m but a fire sale at Rennes allowed them to get him half price. A great bit of business. I imagine there will be quite a few COVID fire sales across Europe this summer where cash is will be king.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:39:42 PM
Think Falcao was just agent talk yeah. Loads of South Americans go to Portugal to start off in europe and his goal spree for Porto got him move to Atletico Madrid so worked out nicely for him. Pretty sure we were also linked to Cavani at that time when he was at Palermo.

Snejider IIRC was a little bit different. Pretty sure there were rumours and MON was asked at a press conference and he gave a vague answer of interest not being reciprocated so seems we enquired in I assume summer 2009 and he didn't want to know. We signed Downing that summer.

Edit. Here we are;

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/5477568/oneill-confirms-sneijder-liking
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Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 01:40:02 PM
O'Neill didn't even know who Falcao was, that's how strong the link was.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
O'Neill was probably dreaming of Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll or similar.

I was one of the last defenders of O'Neill and, like with much else, I was wrong. And this really does sum him up.
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Post by: LeeB on May 01, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
Fucking Burnley players? Fuck that. Galacticos, please.

Except Marcelo. Somehow he'll still be in the Real Madrid team in 2031.

A few mates of mine were on a random trip to Madrid a few years back and Mareclo came in the bar they were drinking in. He spent the night in there laughing and drinking with them, they had loads of photos, said he was an absolute diamond of a bloke.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 01:54:26 PM
He wanted Aidan McGeady and Scott Parker in that final summer so yeah not far off the mentions above!

It was disappointing narrow thinking from him as we signed John Carew within six months of him coming in and that sort of signing was exactly what we needed at the time, internationally known player who'd show people we wanted to improve our standing and he played his part in us moving from mid table to 6th in about 18 months.

We need Carew type signing at some point in next year.

That was it. Did we even sign another player from abroad under O'Neill? Petrov, Cuellar and Habib Beye were all british based when we signed them.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2021, 02:20:45 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.

I'm sure he would be capable of playing like Traore as an inverted winger on the right. So right, left or at 10
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 02:28:32 PM
McNeil is a funny one, I watch him play and think there's a decent player in there but with how Burnley play I don't know if he stands out against a background of shit or if he's being held back by it. I don't fancy paying what they're going to want to find out it's the former.

Burnley tend to bypass midfield so it's hard for players like McNeil to show their true worth. He gave Cash a chasing at their place in the second half this season. A significant upgrade on Traore I'd suggest and four years younger.

No he's not an upgrade on Traore because he plays on the other side, he'd be signed to play on the left to allow Jack to play central so he'd be a replacement for Barkley really.

I'm sure he would be capable of playing like Traore as an inverted winger on the right. So right, left or at 10

I don't disagree but if we're paying £40m odd for a player I prefer him to have at least some experience at playing the main role we're looking for him to fill.
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Post by: Monty on May 01, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.
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Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.

I was talking about McNeil this tims but it applies equally to both.
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Post by: Monty on May 01, 2021, 02:35:41 PM
I agree Paul. I love Tammy, he'll always be a Villa hero for his role in the promotion season, but for £40m we need to be improving the first team before we move onto the squad.

I was talking about McNeil this tims but it applies equally to both.

Ah shit, I just saw the 40m thing and assumed like a dumbass. But we agree anyway so no harm done!
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Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2021, 02:48:51 PM

That was it. Did we even sign another player from abroad under O'Neill? Petrov, Cuellar and Habib Beye were all british based when we signed them.

How could you forget the wonderful Sally Salifou?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2021, 03:37:59 PM
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It was disappointing narrow thinking from him as we signed John Carew within six months of him coming in and that sort of signing was exactly what we needed at the time, internationally known player who'd show people we wanted to improve our standing and he played his part in us moving from mid table to 6th in about 18 months.


From memory, think it was Houllier -then manager of PSG- who contacted us about Baros that set the wheels in motion on that one. O'Neill possibly thought he was just getting a big unit who could head the ball in return.

Houllier's considerable nose was put out of joint when Baros signed for Villa in 2005.  "I can't believe he would opt for a mid-table team like Aston Villa over us" was his reaction at the time. Which was an early indication of the affection he held us in.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
I think it was Lyon, not PSG. But the rest is spot on.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 01, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
Didn't know that, thought MON might've wanted Carew when he was at Celtic.

He actually signed Juninho when he was there and Juninho hated it so no guarentee any flair player would've worked under him in the rigid 4-4-2:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/juninho-still-questions-martin-oneills-decision-sign-him-celtic-558805

Think it would've panned out the same if we'd signed him under Gregory in 1999.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 06:23:44 PM
Didn't know that, thought MON might've wanted Carew when he was at Celtic.

He actually signed Juninho when he was there and Juninho hated it so no guarentee any flair player would've worked under him in the rigid 4-4-2:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/juninho-still-questions-martin-oneills-decision-sign-him-celtic-558805

Think it would've panned out the same if we'd signed him under Gregory in 1999.



Pretty sure he played 3-5-2 for most of his time at Celtic.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Leicester are reported to be closing in on a £15m deal for Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard. I'd hope we're also considering an offer as he's a quality player who can play deep, wide or down the middle. Apparently he's already turned down Liverpool as he doesn't see how he'd fit in and wants to be playing every week.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2021, 06:33:48 PM
Leicester will very likely be offering CL football. Amazing what they have done since winning the league. As if winning the damn thing wasn’t stunning enough. They’ve really built well there now with a top manager too. They may well be a perennial top six side for a good while yet. Certainly at the expense of the likes of Arsenal and Spurs.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 06:38:18 PM
He obviously knows the manager too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 01, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 01, 2021, 07:33:46 PM
I have a feeling Tammy will end up at Arsenal anyway for some reason.  He supports them as well.
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Post by: danno on May 01, 2021, 07:46:35 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.
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Post by: Gareth on May 02, 2021, 07:47:42 AM
Tammy + 2 of Pereira, Buendia & McNeil would be a class start to the summer :-) then we can settle in to see who Lange sources for the other needs
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Post by: andyh on May 02, 2021, 07:50:52 AM
I suspect Tuanzebe will be on the radar?
A decent squad player and replacement for Engles who surely must be in his way out.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2021, 01:48:19 PM
Tuanzebe has the structural resilience of  custard. Time to move on from him.
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Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2021, 01:49:07 PM
Tuanzebe has the structural resilience of  custard. Time to move on from him.

Blancmange Ron Vlaar II
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
The people who signed Tammy and Tuanzebe are long gone. I think we ought to move on too.
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Post by: algy on May 02, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Said at the time, Tuanzebe needed to move to us in our first PL season. He'd have been a popular first team player who'd be getting games week in, week out which is imo what he needed. Instead he's had a bit of a nothing career at Manc Utd, not played enough, and now we've outgrown him. We're no longer in a position where we need to gamble on players with limited top level experience and dubious injury records.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2021, 02:35:53 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2021, 02:50:53 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on May 02, 2021, 03:14:40 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.

The key to it for Leicester is that they don’t sell a player unless they believe they have a replacement in the squad. Rarely having to find a replacement. Soyunchu came off the bench to replace Maguire. Plus a smattering of inspired signings. We need to be replacing players before we sell and that includes Jack. Perhaps we see a couple of our younger players stepping up within the next couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.

Agree.  Think the keeper and back four have done well this season and will hopefully continue that in to next season, so not sure we need a massive amount of investment in that area. 

Heaton might want first team football, but Steer will be fine as a back-up option.  I would bring Guilbert back and have a look at him with Kesler as the third option at right back.   We need a better option than Taylor to push Targett at left-back, with Hause as a potential third option. 

On the subject of Hause, he has done well when called upon this season, so think he is fine to cover Mings.  The big question for me is around Engels and what will happen with him.  I would personally look to give him another chance as a back up to Konsa, but I can see him going. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2021, 03:26:56 PM
Could one of the Revan brothers or Mungo Bridge step-up to be understudies next season?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on May 02, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.
The alternative could be Cash at RB and Kesler who loves attacking even more as the RM.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Seeing Cash bomb forward to good effect yesterday set me thinking: We might be missing a trick not playing him as an out and out winger on occasion. 

I'm not suggesting not going for a winger this summer.  But if Guilbert comes back and is in contention, depending on injuries suspensions or whatever, we could have him at RB and Cash at RM/RW.

Cash was a right side attacking midfielder at Forest and was generally crap, at best average. The move to right back was a godsend and we now have one of the best right backs in the league. Remember, this is only his second season playing in the position, hopefully there's still more to come from him but let's not mess about with things that aren't broken.

Whether Guilbert could play in front of him is another matter. He certainly seems to play/played a more advanced role in France.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2021, 04:27:45 PM
I felt last year that we needed a experienced CB option to go alongside Mings, even if we were trying to bring Konsa along n'all.   Sort of like what West Ham did with Craig Dawson. 

But with Konsa's progress this year I don't see how you bench him. So - short of injury to either pair or Euro qualification - it's a tough sell to someone with the requisite top flight experience.

So we might be better served looking at a promising 19-22 year old to come in and fill the void. One that won't be immediately kicking off if they don't play.  I like Tuanzebe, but his injury history before he's even reached his peak is a worry.

I think we'll do that with the full back positions. No point spending 15m on a LB when unless Targett starts next season really badly he's going to be starting 30 + games and he fully deserves to given how good he's been.

Perhaps more for RB as Cash picks up plenty of yellows and had that 3-4 week spell out injured so bit more opportunity there outside of cups to start.

One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Probably other should be a CB who can also fill in at full back when required. That's why I wouldn'r rule us going back in for Axel. He can fill in at RB when required to get him up to speed so he's ready to step in at CB if we lose either of the first choices for any significant length of time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
provding he's fit, which is seldom the case.
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Post by: Dave on May 02, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Is that still looking likely? I thought he was out of the team there and they didn't really like him anymore.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2021, 05:27:44 PM
One I quite like is Connor Roberts at Swansea so given Hourihane is likely to go there full time I reckon we can get him for reasonable amount, regular for Wales aswell.

Is that still looking likely? I thought he was out of the team there and they didn't really like him anymore.

Think he's just being rested for the play offs as he picked up an injury with ROI.

Guess it's the same there as here, his stats look good even if his general performances haven't been amazing.
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Post by: charlatan on May 03, 2021, 03:46:06 PM
Leicester are an example of what can happen when a club is run well. They lost some of their best players from that league winning side - Kante, Mahrez, Maguire (I'm hesistant to throw his name in but they did get £80m for him). In the past we've not done well enough at replacing our best players but shows that if you're run well, you can still make progress even if you lose some of your best players along the way.

Nitpicking, but I'm fairly sure they signed Maguire after winning the league.
Agree with the general point though.

Oh I didn't mean for that to read that he was. Their defensive partnership was Morgan and Huth the season they won the league. I meant they've steadily had to accept key players leaving but have now been challenging for Champions League qualification the past couple of years on the back of their recruitment and being able to replace key players when they have left. Selling Maguire for £80m and replacing him with Jonny Evans for £3.5m strengthened them.

More nitpicking, but I think Maguire and Evans played together for a season at Leicester. Maguire was effectively replaced in the team by Soyuncu who signed a year before he left but only played six league games in his first season despite costing the best part of £20m, so as Black Francis said they already had their replacement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2021, 06:22:39 PM
Leicester have been quite canny signing young players ahead of their due date.  Ironically they missed out on Ollie Watkins who would be a perfect replacement for Vardy.
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Post by: Des Little on May 03, 2021, 07:15:39 PM
I liked the look of Diangana at Olbiun earlier in the season. Has he been out injured for ages, or gone shit? Haven’t heard anything of him for a while.
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Post by: Daley’s dreads on May 03, 2021, 07:27:18 PM
Been rubbish by all accounts.
Townsend has done better for Albion than people thought he would do. Might be worth considering as back up to Targett.
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Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2021, 01:31:53 AM
Never mind.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2021, 07:22:37 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Albion V Wolves yesterday - cannot see what all the fuss is over Pererra?? he is not what we need, seemed to me we would have to change our formation to get him in the team

Tammy for £45 million that would be madness.
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Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2021, 09:01:29 AM
Pereira had a very poor second half yesterday. I think - with better players around him and a team playing on the front foot - he would be far better than he has been this season; and his assist and scoring stats are good.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2021, 09:27:26 AM
Watched the 1st half of the Albion V Wolves yesterday - cannot see what all the fuss is over Pererra?? he is not what we need, seemed to me we would have to change our formation to get him in the team

Tammy for £45 million that would be madness.

It's £12 million more than we paid for Ollie Watkins who had never played in the top flight. That's about the going rate, now.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 04, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
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Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2021, 11:22:31 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Things you've heard, read or desire? :-)
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2021, 11:26:48 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

I’m not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.
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Post by: Risso on May 04, 2021, 11:31:39 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

I’m not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.

Me either, but then I thought the same about Lingard, so who knows?!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2021, 11:32:51 AM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

I’m not mad on Chamberlain but the rest sounds good.

Me either.

Actually I’m quite fond of you.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2021, 12:36:48 PM
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Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Not really sure where Oxlade-Chamberlain would fit into our system, but agree with the positions if not the players above.  If Engels goes then we will need CB cover, a LB to challenge Targett, a proper defensive midfielder, a right sided attacker, a back up striker and possibly a number 10 if Barkley goes back and Jack Grealish is going to stay and play wide. 

Not sure a 10 is a big priority as McGinn and Sanson can play in that more advanced role, but a defensive midfielder and right sided attacker would be the two starters we need.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2021, 12:47:56 PM
Wonder if West Ham might consider cashing in on Bowen as getting into europe they'll be certain to sign a new striker + Lingard and also have Antonio so he could be surplus to requirements (been on the bench plenty lately).

Actually the sort we need, can play at CF as required but much more of a regular out wide since he joined them.

Only 24 and got 8 goals for them this season so feels he can kick on a bit more.
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Post by: Risso on May 04, 2021, 01:24:30 PM
Wonder if West Ham might consider cashing in on Bowen as getting into europe they'll be certain to sign a new striker + Lingard and also have Antonio so he could be surplus to requirements (been on the bench plenty lately).

Actually the sort we need, can play at CF as required but much more of a regular out wide since he joined them.

Only 24 and got 8 goals for them this season so feels he can kick on a bit more.

Could be an option. Even if they do make the top 4 I still think they'll need the money.
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Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2021, 03:25:31 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Axel - too many injuries
Henry - meh, he's ok but would anyone link him if he wasn't a former Smith player?
Oxlade-Chamberlain - I'd take him
Berge - Yep, good signing
Tammy - for about £25m yes, more than that I think he'd be overpriced
Buendia - not sure, haven't watched him at all this season

Not a terrible list but that's probably £160-170m of players and I think only 2 would be regular starters for us within 6months.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:26:28 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 04, 2021, 03:28:40 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:35:25 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
There's also history of reportedly going for Benrahma over a good few transfer windows.

And yes Watkins does look like good business now, but equally it was also by some distance the highest fee ever paid for a Championship player and it was certainly a gamble.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 04, 2021, 03:39:18 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

Yes, they ripped us off good and proper with Watkins and Kinda. And yes, I'm well aware of Scott Hogan, thank you.
There's also history of reportedly going for Benrahma over a good few transfer windows.

And yes Watkins does look like good business now, but equally it was also by some distance the highest fee ever paid for a Championship player and it was certainly a gamble.

Well done us, then. Getting what's proved to be a bargain and not signing his mate is hardly being ripped off.
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Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
I'm not sure Watkins was a gamble at all. There's a big difference between us signing him from the Championship and when we spent all that cash on McCormack and Hogan. This time it was clear the trajectory Watkins was on. I'm only surprised he did as well as he has so quickly.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2021, 03:59:14 PM
I'm not complaining about Watkins.  All I'm saying is Brentford have a particular history of seeking their pound of flesh as the extended Maupay, Benrahma and Watkins negotiations proved.

I was merely speculating we may not want to go into bat with them again for a backup leftback.
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Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2021, 04:05:12 PM
I'm not complaining about Watkins.  All I'm saying is Brentford have a particular history of seeking their pound of flesh as the extended Maupay, Benrahma and Watkins negotiations proved.

I was merely speculating we may not want to go into bat with them again for a backup leftback.

They robbed Brighton blind because Maupay is absolutely gash.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2021, 04:08:08 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
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Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2021, 04:39:25 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.

I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2021, 04:41:45 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.

I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.

Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner

Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
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Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2021, 05:14:43 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner
Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
Damn, that's Kesler-Hayden and Philogene-Bidace done for!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2021, 08:17:57 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
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Post by: rougegorge on May 04, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
On that basis, it would be Jonathan David (forward) and Sven Botman (defender); both are just 21 and very promising.

David cost them €30m and is a good prospect, and his value has gone up a lot.

Also, Yusuf Yazici has helped himself to s couple of hat tricks in the Europa League, including one away to AC Milan.
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Post by: rougegorge on May 04, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia
The Ox would be a strange one. Has barely looked a passing relative of an EPL midfielder in his recent cameos for Liverpool. Get him fit and obviously could still be a decent player.
I'd worry that he's spent a long, long time injured. I like him though, good player and seems a good character too.
Although I'd love us to sign a player called Cholmondley-Warner
Not sure I approve of players with double barrelled names, though.
Damn, that's Kesler-Hayden and Philogene-Bidace done for!
It will soon be time that we reached quadruple-barrelled names.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
I can't see us going for Henry.  We must be sick of Brentford trying to pull our pants down every summerand I'm not sure he'd want to move to us for what's likely to be a backup roll to a potential future England leftback.

I think he would be an ideal signing to be honest.  Probably wouldn’t arrive expecting to start, but certainly good enough to challenge for the spot. 
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Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
On that basis, it would be Jonathan David (forward) and Sven Botman (defender); both are just 21 and very promising.

David cost them €30m and is a good prospect, and his value has gone up a lot.

Also, Yusuf Yazici has helped himself to s couple of hat tricks in the Europa League, including one away to AC Milan.

Bamba is probably the player most suited to where we are right now. The problem though is that their 3 best players are all in their 30s (in my opinion) and the team is built around those 3.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2021, 10:39:47 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

No thanks.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 07:05:42 AM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

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Post by: Ads on May 05, 2021, 07:21:34 AM
No.
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Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2021, 07:41:59 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.
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Post by: algy on May 05, 2021, 08:05:36 AM
Lille are currently top in France with a young team.  Widely reported that they need to sell, anyone know if their young/better players are in positions we need?
Yeah - I'd be looking at the continent (France in particular) this summer - the impact of COVID may well mean some clubs have to sell players a bit more readily than they would've otherwise done, and we're one of a very small number of clubs in a position to capitalise on that.  It's a buyer's market - I don't expect to see us paying £25m+ fees unless it's for full on Champions League knockout rounds standard players (ones that'd normally cost at least double that)
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Post by: frank black on May 05, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on. Apparently sources close to the player have leaked that he’s not happy as Villa have not done what they promised, whatever that is. The reason he made the bench is because the club are aware of his feelings
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Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?
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Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2021, 08:38:22 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on. Apparently sources close to the player have leaked that he’s not happy as Villa have not done what they promised, whatever that is. The reason he made the bench is because the club are aware of his feelings

I'd file that under bollocks personally.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 08:46:09 AM
No doubt we will throw a load of money at Chukwuemeka, by giving him a new 4 year contract and then he will never kick a ball for the first team and leave us on a free transfer in 4 years time.

Because we are not prepared to trust in our own youth and give them a proper chance in the first team to prove themselves.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 05, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
That Jacob Ramsey never gets a look in.
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Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 10:14:42 AM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.

Agreed.

With age comes wisdom, but sometimes age comes alone and people are instead just left with the ability to spout bollocks about our best young prospects.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
The Chukwuemeka rumours rumble on.

Bayern interested now according to the Beeb's need to fill the gossip page. Let me check with Aftab first to see if we will/should sell him to Munich.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 05, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him
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Post by: Steve67 on May 05, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
This is the lad who recently signed a new contract? Must have been in a closed room at gun point.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 05, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
I wonder how tabloid football journalists, whose livelihoods depend on breaking stories that people will want to read, find the time to find out whether a 17-year-old who's never made a first team appearance for a mid-table club is desired by the reserve team of a Champions League club. It's almost like it's all total bollocks.
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Post by: OCD on May 05, 2021, 11:30:19 AM
Any youth prospect should heed the warning of that promising kid we had who thought leaving us for Arsenal would be the making of him. The last I heard of him he was signing for Blues.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 11:31:59 AM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
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Post by: in exile on May 05, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
When does the summer transfer window open?
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Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.

That's big of him.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?

Also whatever our view is I can’t see a scenario where Sterling would be prepared to come to us.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
is there any truth in the rumours that we are prepared to sell Grealish to fund us buying Sterling from City?

Why would sell a player to 'fund' the purchase of a lesser one?

Also whatever our view is I can’t see a scenario where Sterling would be prepared to come to us.

I saw a rumour that was the other way around. City preparing to sell Sterling to fund Jack and Haaland!.

It's likely all just bollocks. Making up copy to keep them in jobs.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2021, 01:01:25 PM
Yeah, whatever happened to that Grealish kid from a few years back? And who's that midfielder... Ramsay I think... He never gets close either.

Then there's that seventeen year old who's been on the bench for a couple of league games. Chukwuemeka his name is.
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Post by: dave shelley on May 05, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.

WTF was he doing in Roscommon?  Checking on the archaeological dig on Main Street?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 05, 2021, 01:33:27 PM
If Bayern are interested he will make sure that move happens for him

You may have a point, I saw him out in town and he looked very natty in his lederhosen.

WTF was he doing in Roscommon?  Checking on the archaeological dig on Main Street?

Nah, in Strokestown checking out the widest streets in Europe. O'Connell Street next or O'Connell Straße as Carney likes to call it.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 05, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
Axel, Henry, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sander Berge, Tammy, Buendia

Things you've heard, read or desire? :-)

All 3
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Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?
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Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?

The source for that website appears to be located at the rear of a large male bovine.
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Post by: AV82EC on May 05, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 05, 2021, 02:26:39 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.
Is the source "H"?
HP!
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Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.

He said it, he said the word, Stone Him!
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 05, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
Anyone coming on here quoting FootballInsider as a source should be banned immediately.

Does that mean AEG is still going to be sold then?
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Post by: Risso on May 05, 2021, 02:43:09 PM
If Man City were prepared to sell Sterling, our owners could pay for him from their spare change drawer. I don't think Man City would sell though, and I don't think he'd come to a non Champions League team anyway.
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Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 02:46:31 PM
If Man City were prepared to sell Sterling, our owners could pay for him from their spare change drawer. I don't think Man City would sell though, and I don't think he'd come to a non Champions League team anyway.

PSG were shit last night, maybe try Neymar instead. Throw in experienced internationals Elmo and Neil Taylor as sweeteners.
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Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2021, 02:49:00 PM
Elmo and Tayls in Paris. An unexpected Channel-5 Bafta nominated docudrama. We'd all watch it.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2021, 04:50:15 PM
I think Elmo should stay forever! Can't imagine him playing fur someone else
He's best suited here to be part of squad and bench.
Just keep him around for his experience , professionalism and to help Trez in his recovery.
Eventually a coaching role should be given to Elmo
 
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Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2021, 04:56:34 PM
I think Elmo should stay forever! Can't imagine him playing fur someone else
He's best suited here to be part of squad and bench.
Just keep him around for his experience , professionalism and to help Trez in his recovery.
Eventually a coaching role should be given to Elmo
 

He might be the worst coach ever though, getting the bibs mixed up, put the cones down in wonky lines, we just don't know.
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Post by: AllanW on May 05, 2021, 05:26:18 PM
Obligatory discussion of the 25 squad declarations allowed  for next season and movements this transfer window …

20/21 end of the season squad;

GK; Heaton, Steer, Martinez, Kalinic (on loan)

CB; Engels, Konsa, Mings, Hause

RB: Elmo, Guilbert (on loan), Cash

LB; Taylor, Targett

DM; Luiz, Nakamba

CM; McGinn, Sanson

AM; Grealish, Barkley (loanee), Ramsey, Hourihane (on loan)

Wingers; Trez, El Ghazi, Traore

Strikers; Wesley, Samatta (on loan), Davis, Vassilev (on loan), Watkins

Keepers; 4  Defenders; 9  Midfielders; 8  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 5

Total; 29 (25 need to be declared) (5 on loan, 1 loaned).


Promotions from junior squad;
(as squad member not ‘getting a few games’); Kesler?

Additions this window;                            Reductions this window;         
Vassilev – returned after loan         Barkley – returned after loan
Guilbert – returned after loan         Samatta – £7m sale
Hourihane – returned after loan      Kalinic -  (sold or cancelled)

now 28/29 (25 need to be declared) in squad.

This is all planned/predictable from what we know at the moment. So what are the recruitment team and Dean working on?

GK; Selling Tom Heaton if there is a market for him? Why not, we have cover for Martinez in place with Steer and can promote from the U23 (Sinisalo and Onodi are both 20 years old so will either need to be loaned or used). Result? -1, some money income and some wages saved.

CB; Only rumour or need is to move Engels on. No-one obvious to move up from junior squads at the moment to replace this position so recruitment needed. Hence stories appearing about Tuanzebe.  I’m not convinced that a no-longer-young, injury-prone centre half is what our stated recruitment policy is all about so I hope Lange has a name in the frame for this. Result? 1 in 1 out, transfer money spent.

RB: Time to let Elmo move on. Great servant but not worth a one-year contract as cover because we already have Guilbert onboard AND the possibility of moving Kesler up if we need. Use Fred who can cover in the centre as well. Result? -1, some wages saved.

LB; Time to let Taylor get on with his coaching career. If we are not to use Hause more often we’ll need to recruit here. Best options? Jordan Amavi (out of contract in the Summer) or anyone the scouting team rates. Result? 1 in 1 out, spending on transfer fee, no wage savings.

DM; Presuming we keep Luiz then no further movement needed here IMO. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings.

CM; I like both encumbents here so no further movement needed IMO. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings.

AM; Presuming Jack is staying he has to play here. Barkley can be returned to Lahnduhn, we don’t need to spend that kind of money. Ramsey can develop with more games, Sanson can step in if needed sometimes and we wait for Barrie and Chukwuemeka to mature. Hourihane needs to be away so sell. Result? -2, some saving on wages, small transfer income.

Wingers; If they all want to stay then I see no need to move any on. I think Traore and El Ghazi are fine and will be better next season. I’d add Rashica if he’s available but no biggie if not. Result? +/-, no costs and no savings unless Rashica is bought.

Strikers; What do we do with the returning Vassilev? Another loan period sends a bad message to him; does anyone know what the managements’ view of him is at the moment? He might be a useful backup but if not, we need a proven top-flight goalscorer here. The returning Wesley, Davis and Watkins are not enough of a strike force for a full season pushing for top half. I’d be happy with Tammy even at £30+m, certainly not the £40m that Chelski want. Result? +1, spending on transfer and wages.

Net Result? -3, transfer fees of up to £40m spent, 3 or 4 wages saved. Leaving 25/26 in the squad. Someone gets loaned out and we are fine for next season.

Sale or loan out options to get to 25;  would need 1 from the list below;

Vassilev, Davis, Ramsey.

Leaving us with; Keepers; 3  Defenders; 8  Midfielders; 6  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 5

Total; 25

Summary;

Money spent; NET only £40m and probably saving 3 or 4 wages. Leaves plenty for youth squad development and possibly some groundworks. Challenge for European places if we build in experience and game management from the second half of this year; if we play like we did in the first half we’ll challenge hard for European places.

I’d call this the ‘least-cost’ path but Lange and Smith may be aiming for more; what would that look like?

1. Beef-up the midfield.
The issue is that we have looked underpowered sometimes. With any injuries at all we look sparse on the bench in this area as well so upgrades might be seen as a priority. However this is why Sanson was bought, isn’t it? The problem is that anyone we want and manage to get in this Summer, while being an upgrade over what we have now (I presume or why do it?), would mean we have to move someone out to hit our squad number limit. So if we do go for the Blades midfielder do we get rid of Nakamba? Or does it slam the door for a year or so on any opportunities for the youth to get games?

2. Competition/Cover at left and right back.
We all know that our 2 wide backs have ageing cover on the bench with both Taylor and Elmo coming up for contract renewal or release. So something needs to be done now. Both first-choice backs in Cash and Targett are young enough to be there for a few years and provide a bridge to youth players making it up to the first team so presumably we don’t want replacements for them just good cover. But in Fred Guilbert and Hause we have that cover and I’d prefer they got more games than they had this year unless we can sign Amavi and treat Targett as the cover player.

3. Replacing Jack if he decides to go elsewhere.
I know, I know ‘It won’t happen’ but what if his mind changes? We would need not only a replacement for his creativity but also a statement signing to shore-up the ambition to fight for European places. Because that IS the target next season, no doubt about it.

I don’t think Buendia does the job. He might grow into the role but it would not be immediate and the target is NOW to be competitive. I also don’t think Barrie or Chuk are ready for that leap up yet either. Even further off than Buendia. So we’d need to buy a startling player and there aren’t many of those around and they would cost all the money we get for Jack. The players who could be that marquee signing already play for big clubs with European football so wouldn’t want to ‘drop down’ to us who don’t.

Or am I missing someone?

With all the losses this last 18 months have seen caused by Covid and the lack of crowds at Villa Park I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t splash-out £100m again because for less than half of that we could be a serious challenger for Europe nest season.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 05, 2021, 06:47:57 PM
The same source ( Football Insider ) via BBC gossip is also saying Dean has decided not to make AEG available for transfer.

That's big of him.

I’m pretty sure Dean has also decided not to make Jack and Chuk available for transfer and yet the same source hasn’t taken a blind bit of notice.
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Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
Obligatory discussion of the 25 squad declarations allowed  for next season and movements this transfer window …

... With all the losses this last 18 months have seen caused by Covid and the lack of crowds at Villa Park I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t splash-out £100m again because for less than half of that we could be a serious challenger for Europe nest season.
Thanks for your input here, Allan.
If you're including loanees, then I'd suggest Archer and Dom Revan maybe should be included since Vassilev has been.
I disagree with your basic assumption here (you're not an accountant by any chance, are you??  ;D ): I suspect that Wes and Nas will see this - a time where clubs have struggled financially and where FFP will take a back seat for a while - as exactly the right time for big investment in new talent, to shift the first XI and the squad from mid-table to top 6 quality.
So, my assumption would be that the management will 'up' the quality in key parts of the pitch - viz, quality cover for JG (Buendia and / or Pereira and / someone else of that ilk); definitely more horsepower in the central / holding MF role; and probably another class striker.
Could be £120m.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2021, 07:22:23 PM
This is the lad who recently signed a new contract? Must have been in a closed room at gun point.

This.

There seem to be a few assuming the worst about this player based on some internet rumours which he has no control of, despite the fact that he has, literally, signed the longest possible contract that a player of his age is legally allowed to sign.

He looks really great, that's a good reason to be happy as far as I'm concerned. Why the desperate rush to panic among some fans? I'm sure some refuse to celebrate a goal in case the goalscorer requests a transfer in his post-match interview.



(Whereas, as we all know, the correct reason for not celebrating a goal is because you're waiting for it to be disallowed by VAR)
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Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.
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Post by: AllanW on May 05, 2021, 07:50:18 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m
[snip]
That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

I think we're very similar here. I don't think they'd be happy with Kesler as backup to Cash as he's not got enough defensive strength for the PL. I'd forgotten Ramsey (and of course Chuk, Barrie and any of the other academy players) would not need to be declared in the 25; thanks for that reminder. That leaves it open for a recruitment without a sale. Can't believe you don't think we need Tammy or another similar calibre striker! Is that right? :)

That extra place might mean we can buy Berge or Buendia without causing a squad declaration problem.

Mister E; I appreciate the thought about upgrading but it means 2, 3 or 4 of the current squad IN ADDITION to the ones both I and paul e mentioned going would have to be sold; which ones?

I'd love it but we'll see :)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2021, 08:02:18 PM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂
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Post by: Ads on May 05, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
Sign Axel for the song alone.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 05, 2021, 08:11:48 PM
Oh good, this twat of a commentator is going to spend the next 90 minutes saying "Benzymarr" over and over again.

*Whoops wrong thread*
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 06, 2021, 12:13:05 AM
Think everything is highly dependent on what happens with Jack Grealish, but should he stay, I think we are a quality defensive midfielder and right sided attacker away from being a side capable of cementing a place in the top ten of the division next season. 

We will need to add some strength in depth in certain positions and would hope that the likes of Cash, Konsa, Targett and Watkins push on again from the good seasons they have had so far.
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Post by: CT Villan on May 06, 2021, 02:12:35 AM
What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

Was thinking the very same...for a CB he's terrible in the air and is so injury-prone they'd probably have to reserve a treatment table for him at BMH.
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Post by: Ian. on May 06, 2021, 07:15:52 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

He’s become a big of a cult hero hasn’t he? He had some good spells and was superb come the end, but I’d worry too much about his injury record. He’s not had the best of time either has he since.
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Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2021, 07:27:15 AM
Tuanzebe, Sessegnon and Abraham for starters.

What's the obsession with Tuanzebe? He wasn't even that amazing in the first place and he's made out of glass. The other two, goo on then. 🙂

I thought he was a decent enough player with a lot of potential but yeah, his injury record is a concern.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2021, 09:29:39 AM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.
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Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.

I'm not sure why we'd loan out Wes unless we've decided to sell him and just want to increase his value before moving him on next year. Loan him out this season and we'd have to buy a replacement which would mean there's no space for him to come back to.
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Post by: Bryan on May 06, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
I'm torn between us spending a lot on a couple of players, or building a stronger squad without any superstar signings.

I think CM is most important, and I would of said someone to replace Barkley and be creative/chip in goals but watching Kante last night, I can see the logic of a dynamic DM.

I would also like a version of Jack to play on the right, but I doubt thats out there.

So I would say

Reserve RB in Guilibert doesn't want to stay
Competition/reserve LB
Reserve CB to replace Engles

Big money DM or Big Money AM

Someone to compete with Traore on the Right Wing or be first choice Left Wing if we move Grealish inside

Still looking at about £80 - 100m I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: fredm on May 06, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
The one thing that Dean etc may be considering is if he brings in a top quality player aged 22 - 25 years then he is potentially blocking the pathway for those players in the youth set up who will, hopefully, be knocking on the door in a couple of years. He might consider an older player who is cheap and have a 2 year contract to fill the bill for now and not blow the outgoings sky high.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 12:30:02 PM
The one thing that Dean etc may be considering is if he brings in a top quality player aged 22 - 25 years then he is potentially blocking the pathway for those players in the youth set up who will, hopefully, be knocking on the door in a couple of years. He might consider an older player who is cheap and have a 2 year contract to fill the bill for now and not blow the outgoings sky high.

The flipside to that is bringing in someone in that age range means they don't lose value to be sold on in a few years when the kids are ready. If we sign 28-30 year olds with the idea that as they come to the end of their career a natural replacement is coming through is a lot riskier and more expensive in the long run.  That said I would be fine with 1-2 players in that age range if they're a perfect fit for what we want right now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2021, 01:24:42 PM
I suspect we'll be spending £80-100m and that we'll see Hourihane, Elmo, Taylor, Samatta, Kalinic and maybe Guilbert, Engels and Nakamba as well (along with Barkley).

That leaves:
GK(3): Martinez, Heaton, Steer
RB(2): Cash, Guilbert/Kesler
LB(2): Targett, *NEW*
CB(4): Mings, Konsa, Hause, ?Engels?
DM(2): Luiz, ?Nakamba?
CM(4-5): McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey, *NEW* (Chuk?)
LW(2-3): Grealish, AEG (JPB)
RW(2): Traore, *New* (Trez excluded for injury)
ST(3): Watkins, Wesley, Davis

That's 22/23 that have to be named in the squad (Kesler, Ramsey, Chuk and JPB are young enough to not need to be included) which would mean there's space for a couple of backup options.

Maybe Trez's injury scuppers this but I think the club would be wise to consider offers for AEG this summer while his stock is high. With the length of time he has had out, Wesley will probably go out on loan too. An upgrade on Nakamba is the priority for me, our midfield two hasn't worked for much of the season and we need someone strong next to Luiz.

I'm not sure why we'd loan out Wes unless we've decided to sell him and just want to increase his value before moving him on next year. Loan him out this season and we'd have to buy a replacement which would mean there's no space for him to come back to.

I think we will be trying to strengthen the forward department anyway. Might be best to let both Davis and Wesley to both go on loan if we do. Watkins has played every minute this season and I don't think that's sustainable. Don't think either Wesley or Davis are capable of leading the line in his absence to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2021, 02:34:13 PM
The last sentence is the important one, people who think Wesley nad Davis deserve a chance to stake a claim are less bothered about an extra striker, most people who are clamouring to spend a massive chunk of the budget on Tammy have written one or both of them off as not good enough. Without knowing where Smith sits on that debate it's hard to know what to expect. The budget makes a huge difference as well, if we've got £120m to spend (first summer) then chucking £40m at a striker doesn't seem so risky, if it's more like £80m (last summer) then it massively limits funds elsewhere.

What my list does show though is how thin the midfield options are which is why strengthening in there is so important.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
Was brilliant to see Davis score. However next match he comes on for his annual 5 minute run out so clearly in DS mind him finally scoring in prem game didn't alter his thinking for next game especially given the match was poised at 1-1 after an hour which is when many clubs would put on another striker to freshen things up.

It's simply hard to see him figuring regularly next season. I thought we should've loaned him out for start of 19/20 season so of course we could do that for next season but feels like we've timed it a bit wrong. Any loan spell would be just to increase his value.

We need a striker on the bench next season DS is actually confident to throw on in second halfs from 60th min mark and Davis simply isn't that in his mind.

Wes being eased in as he should so again hard to see him getting significant minutes for final few games so imo not enough to justify him being Ollie's backup next season.


I'd like to see Barry get some minutes in the final few games. Still very young but the way he finished v experienced Liverpool defence was special. In the long run he could save us plenty given he can play out wide in the front 3 aswell.

I still think a Calum Wilson type striker would make plenty of sense for us. Say we'd signed him last summer and he'd have contributed another 5-10 points for us with goals off the bench in games we were drawing or losing then I reckon we could've sold him to someone like Watford for 15m as promoted types are always after experienced premier league strikers so wouldn't have lost much.

Seen Ivan Toney mentioned but my issue is this....surely Brentford would ask more for him than Ollie last summer? His goalscoring record is better and I'd assume Peterborough have high % selling on clause than Exeter did so that will impact on Brentford's thinking aswell.

35m for Ivan Toney or Tammy for 40m, I know which one I'd choose. Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 06, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.

74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: manic-road on May 06, 2021, 05:22:16 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.

Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.

74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.



Yes a top player and if we are to improve further the squad needs strengthening, should Ollie pick up a lengthy injury at all next season we will be short of quality options up front, also Ollie and Tammy can play in a wide forward role.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2021, 05:22:51 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
If Man City, Man United, Liverpool & Chelsea + I guess Leicester aren’t all over getting Saka out of that disfunctional club there is something wrong....too soon probably for us to get into that type of signing but I’d love it if we did show the ambition to try & get that level of player in.

Really hoping he becomes the transfer saga of the summer and takes any attention away from our Jack :-)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.

I've said for years that we don't have an "Oh shit, not him" player, for when we're playing opponents who've coped with us for seventy minutes then we can bring on a like for like replacement they're afraid of. Manchester United are past masters at it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 07, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
I disagree Dave, Villa have had plenty of players that make be say "oh shit, not him" when they're brought on ;) :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 07, 2021, 10:28:02 AM
We have to sort the central midfield even if that takes most or all of the budget.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 07, 2021, 10:33:58 AM
Is it possible to merge the Transfer Rumours Threads? If only I knew a Moderator....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SteveN on May 07, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
The BBC Gossip is linking Brentford with Hibs striker Ken Nisbet as a replacement for Toney.

Lets cut out the middleman and go for Nisbet
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT Villan on May 07, 2021, 01:32:04 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 07, 2021, 01:58:53 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).

If Jack Grealish does stay, then the big question will be whether he moves into that central "number 10" role.  If not, then I would love to see a real quality player come in to play in there, the type that is really good to watch.  Wouldn't prioritise it over a right sided attacker or defensive central midfielder though, especially as McGinn and Sanson can play there as well

McGinn can really lead the press when he plays there and would chip in with goals, but not sure he is 'cute' enough on the ball to be really effective in that position. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 07, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
Midfield is definitely the priority, though I would love to see a Bergkamp-type forward player to replace Barkley (but one who can fly to Champ's League away games when we qualify next season).

If Jack Grealish does stay, then the big question will be whether he moves into that central "number 10" role.  If not, then I would love to see a real quality player come in to play in there, the type that is really good to watch.  Wouldn't prioritise it over a right sided attacker or defensive central midfielder though, especially as McGinn and Sanson can play there as well

McGinn can really lead the press when he plays there and would chip in with goals, but not sure he is 'cute' enough on the ball to be really effective in that position.

I'd like to see McGinn playing more where Traore does currently. Cutting in from the left higher up the pitch he could be very effective. Would share your concerns about his lack of cuteness to play effectively at 10, don't think he has the sureness of touch for example that you need. Will be interesting to see what position Sanson is going to challenge for next season, with a hard pre season behind him. It's going to be competition for the likes of McGinn it seems, not sitting in next to Luiz. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 07, 2021, 02:09:30 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2021, 02:17:11 PM
Is it possible to merge the Transfer Rumours Threads? If only I knew a Moderator....

The other one was from the summer, so I've locked it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2021, 03:55:01 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?

Bloody hope so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2021, 05:26:12 PM
Paul, you're his biggest fan! In the same way as Rudy Can't Fail Kelly gets on Ghazi's case more than anyone  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 07, 2021, 05:35:00 PM
The BBC Gossip is linking Brentford with Hibs striker Ken Nisbet as a replacement for Toney.

Lets cut out the middleman and go for Nisbet
No as usual we should wait and pay Brenford 10x  the fee they will pay in 12 months. They business model requires it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 07, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
If we are signing another centre forward, I expect someone a bit better than some triangle twat that used to hang around with Paul Daniels.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2021, 07:21:26 PM
If we are signing another centre forward, I expect someone a bit better than some triangle twat that used to hang around with Paul Daniels.

That poor thing was tortured by Daniels, it had tried to hang itself many times without success.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2021, 07:39:34 PM
Reckon we'll keep Douglas? The clause expires this summer?
If they do activate the clause in the summer then they clearly were always going to activate it as he has been nothing more than ok for most of this season.  I personally hope they don’t go for him & then he steps it up again next season and we get the 50m Dougie that we hoped for
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Incredibly Tammy is 18 months young aswell.
Well, if they're good enough they're old enough.
74 goals in 167 appearances, and I suspect a fair few of those appearances from the bench. Top player. Much as I love Watkins, I think Tammy is or at least will be even better.
I think the two of them playing together will cause several Prem League defences to have kittens! - pace, aggression, movement, positional acumen; interchangeably using the centre and the wings.
I'd say they're a pretty compatible front 2, complemented by JG.

I've said for years that we don't have an "Oh shit, not him" player, for when we're playing opponents who've coped with us for seventy minutes then we can bring on a like for like replacement they're afraid of. Manchester United are past masters at it.

It's a real problem for us. For a side that's been top half for pretty much all of the season bar about 3 weekends, gaining just 5 points from losing positions really needs to be significantly improved on if we're to keep moving up the league.

Dosen't even have to be a big name signing but someone who can come on 65-70 min mark and make a real impact on game is really needed in our squad. Trez doing it v Fulham stuck out as it's rare we have a sub winning a game in that manner.

Could also help next season if we start some of our regular names on the bench at times due to rotation e.g. over xmas period Watkins and McGinn are on bench as I doubt opposition would enjoy either coming on at the hour mark if it's 1-1.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 08, 2021, 09:06:17 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2021, 09:30:35 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 08, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.

I think he would be very good for us
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on May 08, 2021, 09:51:43 AM
He seems similar to El Ghazi in style but probably a better crosser but less goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2021, 09:55:37 AM
I think you have to be a very special footballer to get away with a lack of pace.
McNeil isn’t.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 10:02:45 AM
He did play very well against us earlier in the season. Tends to be a key criteria for us signing players going back for years
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 08, 2021, 10:05:51 AM
The window will open for 12 weeks starting Wednesday June 9 and closes  Tuesday 11pm August 31
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Post by: Mister E on May 08, 2021, 11:02:53 AM
I think you have to be a very special footballer to get away with a lack of pace.
McNeil isn’t.
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 11:06:50 AM
How many times. Burnley players are not Galacticos! Fucking BOO!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:07:41 PM
How many times. Burnley players are not Galacticos! Fucking BOO!
neither were players from Bournemouth, Brentford, Nottingham Forest, Hibernian etc....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
Yes, and they're fine for the team. Now to add to them we need galacticos. It's the natural next stage in our evolution. I want a "WOW" signing. No fucking about. Someone to influence Villa the same way Gullit did Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:10:56 PM
Yes, and they're fine for the team. Now to add to them we need galacticos.
Who you suggesting?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
Messi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:11:42 PM
Messi.
More chance of Starmer getting in at number 10.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
I didn't think you'd have a realistic suggestion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
A galactico is a stretch but getting someone that makes people wonder how we got him and makes players think about how ambitious we must be to have done it is important this window. The easy way to get top 4 level players is to be in the top 4, without that advantage they won't be so easy to pickup but we should still try. Someone with 50+ caps and a bunch of champions league appearances who can come in and make people really pay attention to us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: garyellis on May 08, 2021, 01:24:59 PM
The player who may be gettable but would cost with no or little resale value is Zaha.
He would change the dynamics of the team and make others take notice.
Top 4 clubs probably won’t come in for him now and we may be an interesting proposition for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on May 08, 2021, 01:51:06 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. I’m with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I haven’t a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 08, 2021, 01:58:32 PM
Personally, I don't give a shit where they come from as long they improve us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 02:05:39 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. I’m with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I haven’t a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
everyone wants big name players. Just depends if they want to come to Villa. If these top players we should be going for are "galacticos" then surely they might have better offers, like clubs in the Champions League?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: garyellis on May 08, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. I’m with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I haven’t a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.
You have to have a level of realism. If you think we can attract (not afford) a better proven premier league player than Zaha send me some of the stuff you are on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 02:44:34 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola. 
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
Fuck me the supporters of this club baffle me sometimes. We have owners richer than Croesus who can max out the credit card to stay within the limiting factor FFP and still people suggest no mark payers from clubs in the bottom six. I’m with cdbullywee, we need some serious statements of intent this summer no fucking about. If this club has any pretentions of being competitive in the top 6 then people like Berge, McNeil, Zaha etc etc are not going to cut it. I haven’t a clue who we will try and get but the club needs to be thinking international and champs league experienced players.

Indeed. Fits in with how some Evertonian described his club last week, '35 years of transition'; let's not go that route especially when we not only have a club that is primed from top to bottom to take as big step up, owners ready to support it and a market that has been financially hit by Covid. We really don't want another chapter in the book, 'The Missed Opportunities of Aston Villa'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 08, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
Anybody know anything about Dwight McNeil (21) at Burnley?

He's a useful player, lacks a bit of pace but has a nice left foot.  £15 million will just about buy his left leg though, BBC gossip from whatever Football Insider is.  Fits our purchasing criteria as he's at the right age and should only get better.

Thanks for that 👍
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Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 03:06:16 PM
How's the Galacticos approach working for Real Madrid right now? Signing a 'fuck me' player might be exciting at the time but if the risk is that they start acting like they're doing us a favour. Barkley was a bit of a surprise signing for a team starting their second season back in the Premier League and it started well but look at his attitude since his injury. Trudging off the pitch in a sulk and acting like he doesn't care, giving the ball away and then not tracking back. Forget it if they're going to act like a Billy big bollocks. I would rather players that have a combination of ability and the right attitude.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 08, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
How's the Galacticos approach working for Real Madrid right now? Signing a 'fuck me' player might be exciting at the time but if the risk is that they start acting like they're doing us a favour. Barkley was a bit of a surprise signing for a team starting their second season back in the Premier League and it started well but look at his attitude since his injury. Trudging off the pitch in a sulk and acting like he doesn't care, giving the ball away and then not tracking back. Forget it if they're going to act like a Billy big bollocks. I would rather players that have a combination of ability and the right attitude.

+1
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2021, 03:19:26 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2021, 03:54:21 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 03:58:35 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Being where we are now I actually think Tammy could be similar type coming back as fans would immediately love it and you'd back him to get off to a quick start scoring.

Perhaps we could just play 4-3-1-2 next season and ditch signing a proven wide player as those tend to be in 30-40m bracket unless you scout really really well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 04:00:49 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?

He's similar to Grealish. Could've easily moved on to higher Italian club last few seasons but is very loyal to them. 15 goals in Serie A this season and he's not a striker. Should also make Italy euros squad.

If he wants to come to prem we should be in like a shot but feels the sort of signing Atalanta will make.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 08, 2021, 04:00:59 PM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?


just googled him , £27 million winger 26 years old ,  are we after him ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 08, 2021, 04:01:39 PM
I kind of agree that attracting CL level players is difficult and yes they are more likely to join Leicester than us at the moment (think about that for a minute).  But, Citeh started somewhere with their intent and signed Robinho when they were nowhere near CL.  As they say, money talks....
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola.

You're in a strop today.

Obviously I meant players still at or vaguely near their prime.

We keep hearing that the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid are skint, and they might be banned from Europe. Go test them with a bid for Messi and stop fucking about.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 04:11:00 PM
(And Ginola would probably still have been decent under the right manager).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2021, 04:17:14 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really don’t think your point is talked about enough. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really don’t think your point is talked about enough. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.

And that's the difference between good and great. A good player sits back when he think he's done enough; a great one never stops competing because he knows nothing else.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2021, 04:22:36 PM
The other thing with Terry is he seems quite happy to get on with learning his trade under Smith. I've no doubt he'll have been offered all sorts since being with us, but he's rightly (in my opinion) taken the long view rather than doing a Rooney or Lampard and diving in before he's ready.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2021, 04:26:28 PM
And on the other hand there's John Terry, who a lot of us said was only here for one last payday but who gave everything he had because that's what great players do in every match.

I get that his past causes much of the apathy towards him, and he deserves much of it, but I really don’t think your point is talked about enough. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but he really has been nothing other than a consummate professional in every single thing he has done since coming to us. As a player, as a coach and when needed a spokesperson and cheerleader for the club.

And that's the difference between good and great. A good player sits back when he think he's done enough; a great one never stops competing because he knows nothing else.

I look at Ronaldo in much the same way. Of course Messi to a point, but he doesn’t have a fraction of the criticism levelled at Ronaldo. Ronaldo is only driven by success. Of course he’s self centred but you have to be to get to where he is. At his age still better than most of the players around him. He’s utterly remarkable even if you can dislike the image and persona he gives off. He demands excellence of himself and everyone around him and I imagine Terry is the same way. Something I imagine has impacted very positively on the Villa players too. Especially what is now one of the top defences in the league.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 04:42:50 PM
Galacticos only. Like Schmichael and Ginola.

You're in a strop today.

Obviously I meant players still at or vaguely near their prime.

We keep hearing that the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid are skint, and they might be banned from Europe. Go test them with a bid for Messi and stop fucking about.

Not at all young man 😎

Seeing posts like yours make me smile a lot.

Very entertaining. 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Carew was a bit of a nomad before joining us, if I recall correctly he had fallen out with Houllier at Lyon so that swap deal with Baros kind of fell into our lap a bit.

No matter what kind of kind of cash our owners have, I think we need to be realistic about the type of players that are likely to join a mid table club. The likes of Traore and Sanson are experienced players but at EL level as opposed to ECL. Barkley was a punt a bit like Carew to try and get him back on track. Others like Cash and Watkins, promising players from the championship. I think our likely signings this summer will be from a similar pool.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
Carew was probably the last of that ilk. Not quite world famous but I imagine loads of other clubs around us at that time were quietly impressed we'd pulled off that signing and he quickly helped us from mid table to 6th.

Carew was a bit of a nomad before joining us, if I recall correctly he had fallen out with Houllier at Lyon so that swap deal with Baros kind of fell into our lap a bit.

No matter what kind of kind of cash our owners have, I think we need to be realistic about the type of players that are likely to join a mid table club. The likes of Traore and Sanson are experienced players but at EL level as opposed to ECL. Barkley was a punt a bit like Carew to try and get him back on track. Others like Cash and Watkins, promising players from the championship. I think our likely signings this summer will be from a similar pool.

He'd played in a Valencia team that reached CL final in 2001 and had decent scoring record in La Liga IIRC. Yeah after that he went to play in Italy, Turkey, France so bit of a journeyman but still player with some pedigree and was only 27 when we picked him up.

In that period we also got in Laursen and Bouma who were experienced players so think we need to go down that route again, not quite CL but pick up good players from teams finishing 6th-10th in decent leagues as that will surely improve us, Berardi good example of that as he's key player of team who could still finish 7th in Serie A.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
I don't remember Carew ever thinking he was bigger than the club though and in fact loved the club and still does despite having played for a half dozen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Loved Carew.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 05:49:02 PM
Loved Carew.
he was exactly what we needed at the time, he was different to the other forwards we had at the time, especially as we were reliant on Angel (getting old) Moore and Gabby were young and Baros wasn't doing anything - coming in during January seemed to give him a chance to get in full flow for the next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Have to say I wasn't too impressed with Dele Alli earlier today. Barkley esque effort without the ball at times. Doesn't look physically or mentally tuned in. Still has a touch of class at times as he showed with his assist but you need to be showing a lot more. The aggression to his game seems to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2021, 06:02:17 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2021, 06:41:16 PM
Loved Carew.

On his day he was world class.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
I'm all for us continuing with the path we're on. Every window we're going for better players, improving us. Mostly young with potential too. We can keep on growing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.

I reckon he's more consistent but also more injured.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2021, 10:09:28 PM
I think Dele Alli is one of these players that needs to be loved - needs man managing constantly.
I think he's got ability, but getting it consistently out of him would be similar to Barkley.

I reckon he's more consistent but also more injured.
Watched the game today, he was unrecognisable as a talent and because of his new Barnet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2021, 01:59:05 AM
I think we might still be s year away from being in a position to make that really big signing.  Think we still have a bit of squad building to do this summer, as we need a couple of starters and some better back up options in certain positions in.  We do that and Jack Grealish stays, then we really should be looking at being firmly cemented in the top ten with maybe even an eye on the top six. 

If that does happen and we have a strong, settled squad, I think next January / summer is the time to go looking for a real statement signing, probably in that attacking midfield position, who could potentially push us on again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 09, 2021, 02:44:40 AM
Any of our Italian based fans or folks that watch Serie A know anything about Domenico Berardi at Sassuolo?

He's an excellent player who would propel us to the next level. I mentioned him the day this new transfer thread started.

A few from this list would be great for us.

Strikers
Paul Onuachu | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/122182/Fixtures/Paul-Onuachu)
Sekou Koita | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377689/Fixtures/Sekou-Koita)
Alexander Isak | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299254/Fixtures/Alexander-Isak)
Sasa Kalajdzic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/377271/Fixtures/Sasa-Kalajdzic)

AM/CM/Wingers
Claudinho | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/295768/Fixtures/Claudinho)
Domenico Berardi | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/118542/Fixtures/Domenico-Berardi)
Nikola Vlasic | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343975/Fixtures/Nikola-Vlasic)
Matheus Pereira | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/297389/Fixtures/Matheus-Pereira)
Ademola Lookman | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299451/Fixtures/Ademola-Lookman)

DM's
Teun Koopmeiners | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/343308/Fixtures/Teun-Koopmeiners)
Ellyes Skhiri | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/238903/Fixtures/Ellyes-Skhiri)

CB's
Willi Orban | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/104917/Fixtures/Willi-Orban)
Joachim Andersen | Stats (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/231135/Fixtures/Joachim-Andersen)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2021, 07:36:09 AM
I think a process of each pre-season improving areas of the team with 3-4 new players with one big name signing, that then push last seasons players onto the bench is a realistic way of approaching transfers.

Some of the players on Goldie.7 list could do that
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Not that I have seen him play, but I’d love us to sign this sort of player.  He’s been linked with all the huge clubs but three or four seasons at Villa, playing most weeks, could be a compelling sell to the player (plus the pay rises etc etc):

Eduardo Camavinga

Arguably one of the most potent teenagers in Europe, Eduardo Camavinga has set the French Ligue 1 alight in the 2019/20 season. The 17-year-old Stade Rennais star doesn’t regularly appear on the scoresheet, but he also doesn’t tend to shy away from the dirty work.

The elegant, intelligent, exceptionally composed defensive midfielder has received plaudits for his outstanding defensive contributions. Camavinga’s statistics further highlight his excellent consistency at the heart of Rennes’ midfield: the whizzkid was averaging 4.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions and 1.3 clearances in every 90 minutes of league football last season.

Likened to world-class Chelsea midfielder N’Golo Kante, the Frenchman is also a fierce physical presence in the Rennes team. With remarkable strength and stamina, Camavinga played over 2,100 minutes last season (25 league appearances until the campaign ended prematurely due to Covid-19), winning an impressive 1.3 aerial duels per match on average.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on May 09, 2021, 11:05:41 AM
I think we're in a similar scenario to 1995-6. Signings like Southgate, Draper & Savo pushed us to into the top 4. We should be looking to move up a couple of places each season for the next 2-3 years.

We're looking for top 6 quality player's & with the exception of Jack & Martinez every position could be improved on. I think McGinn's place in the team is seriously under threat.

Defensive midfielder - replace Nakamba
Creative midfielder- replace Barkley
Right winger - replace Trez
Backup centre-half - replace Engles
Centre forward - replace Davies

Add in the youth's from the U23's & we have a squad ready to compete for those European spots.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2021, 11:33:09 AM
Not that I have seen him play, but I’d love us to sign this sort of player.  He’s been linked with all the huge clubs but three or four seasons at Villa, playing most weeks, could be a compelling sell to the player (plus the pay rises etc etc):

Eduardo Camavinga

Arguably one of the most potent teenagers in Europe, Eduardo Camavinga has set the French Ligue 1 alight in the 2019/20 season. The 17-year-old Stade Rennais star doesn’t regularly appear on the scoresheet, but he also doesn’t tend to shy away from the dirty work.

The elegant, intelligent, exceptionally composed defensive midfielder has received plaudits for his outstanding defensive contributions. Camavinga’s statistics further highlight his excellent consistency at the heart of Rennes’ midfield: the whizzkid was averaging 4.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions and 1.3 clearances in every 90 minutes of league football last season.

Likened to world-class Chelsea midfielder N’Golo Kante, the Frenchman is also a fierce physical presence in the Rennes team. With remarkable strength and stamina, Camavinga played over 2,100 minutes last season (25 league appearances until the campaign ended prematurely due to Covid-19), winning an impressive 1.3 aerial duels per match on average.

Me too but I think he'll be going to one of the Arsehole clubs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2021, 01:44:11 PM
I suspect you’re right.  I just hope that being in the first team, and part of something, would be more appealing than years in the reserves and on loan, which is likely at any ESL club.  If he is good enough then he’ll end up at the same place anyway and I think that likelihood increases by playing regularly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 09, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Here's one I'll throw into the ring - How about James Ward-Prowse from Southampton?

He's about the level of player that would improve our starting 11, and I'd say 'gettable' for a club in our position.

He'd have the lure of a few more England regulars alongside him (inc. Jack), and would probably know Targett quite well from his time on the South Coast. He's an established Premier League midfielder (so very little risk involved), has killer technique in dead ball situations, and has just broken through into the national squad. I think he'd be perfect for that midfielder sized hole in the middle of Villa Park?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Fred Crump on May 09, 2021, 09:42:50 PM
Agree, he would improve us and is may be ‘ gettable ‘
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 09, 2021, 09:48:20 PM
We need someone who can sit in front of the back 4, athletic, can tackle and keep the ball moving quickly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
I said it in my first post in this thread but Leon Bailey please. The exact player at this stage in our progress that we should be looking at. Him on tje right, Jack on the left, fucking hell!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 09, 2021, 10:01:11 PM
We need a ball playing unit in front of the back four.  Been saying it for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on May 09, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
Here's one I'll throw into the ring - How about James Ward-Prowse from Southampton?

He's about the level of player that would improve our starting 11, and I'd say 'gettable' for a club in our position.

He'd have the lure of a few more England regulars alongside him (inc. Jack), and would probably know Targett quite well from his time on the South Coast. He's an established Premier League midfielder (so very little risk involved), has killer technique in dead ball situations, and has just broken through into the national squad. I think he'd be perfect for that midfielder sized hole in the middle of Villa Park?


Unless they've got some release cause in their contract, it would be very difficult to sign a key player from another PL team.  That's even if the player would be open to a move to a club in a similar bracket (at the moment).

The going rate for a player of that ilk is probably around the £40 million mark in today's inflated domestic market.  So if Soton were looking £50-60 mill for a player they don't want to lose (and don't need to sell) is it still attractive?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2021, 10:21:50 PM
Ward-Prowse? Not for general play. Free kicks he is miles better than anything we currently have. Question is could we carry him for his set pieces?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2021, 10:33:21 PM
Bailey and JWP are good suggestions for signings.
Not sure they’re the galacticos people are demanding though…..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 09, 2021, 10:54:03 PM
Bailey still relatively young so could learn from playing alongside Messi. Get him in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Can't we sign someone like Smith Rowe?

He's a terrific player imo, wonderful touch and makes fantastic runs into the box.

Arsenal are so clueless they'll probably sell him for 20m when they spend 200m on more forwards so I'd like us to be in as can see likes of Leicester wanting him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2021, 11:12:52 PM
Ward-Prowse? Not for general play. Free kicks he is miles better than anything we currently have. Question is could we carry him for his set pieces?

Thing with Ward Prowse is he's a decent midfielder but not really better than McGinn, energetic and o.k passing but not the sort to drag us near top 6.

And given his status at Southampton and getting called up by England, he's costing 40m minimum so we need to be signing real difference makers.

He reminds me of Charlie Adam in a way, had that mad year at Blackpool that got him a Liverpool move but that exposed the limitations to his all round game and he faded into obscurity at Stoke after that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 09, 2021, 11:16:44 PM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert, but someone who plays like McGinn and is brilliant at free kicks sounds alright to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 09, 2021, 11:30:17 PM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert,

About the same as me so can't really comment but my uncle who seems to watch every live game reckons Bissouma is the player that we need in midfield. Not sure if he would fully meet the "ball playing unit in front of the back four" that Steve67 feels we're missing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 12:04:05 AM
I think I've only watched one Southampton game this season so no expert,

About the same as me so can't really comment but my uncle who seems to watch every live game reckons Bissouma is the player that we need in midfield. Not sure if he would fully meet the "ball playing unit in front of the back four" that Steve67 feels we're missing.

Had a good game today I thought and reads play well and will certainly give us more presence in central area.

Talk Liverpool are in for him though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 10, 2021, 12:20:38 AM
James Ward-Prowse? For £40-50m I'd be passing. His last outstanding league match was against us 6 months ago. Signing average players like JWP isn't going to keep our best players with us, that is the bottom line.

We now have the third richest owners in the League due to Sawiris's fortune increasing by $3.5b in the past year.

I think we should go all out for Depay. Offer him £160k-a-week for 5 years (with heavy incentives) which would equal a £42m transfer free which we aren't paying because he's out of contract in June. Yes he flopped at manure, how did Salah get on at Chelsea?

Maybe that's even too cheap. Let's not forget we've apparently paid Chelsea £11m to secure the immense services of Barkley for a year and on top of that we're paying him £5m in wages.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on May 10, 2021, 01:35:39 AM
Thats what City did, took a little time to solidify then spent mega money buying top players. If they are allowed i believe the owners would be up for it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 02:46:29 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.
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Post by: Axl Rose on May 10, 2021, 06:46:11 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 07:21:28 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Well, he knows which way to pass the port for a starter. Daddy is a High Court Judge after all. A cut above the usual tattooed oiks with whom we are linked.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 07:24:57 AM
Joking apart , I think Ward- Prowse can be a bit of a nasty, niggly little bugger on occasions and might bring a bit of bite and competitive edge that we sometimes lack in midfield. We are generally a bit too ‘nice’ in M/ F .
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 07:53:41 AM
Hourihane also has bite, and a wand of a left foot, which seems to be undervalued.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 10, 2021, 08:12:34 AM
I am sure if Dean thought that Hourihane had a wand of a left foot he would have been in the team every week

We need a dominant central midfielder in the summer - saw the Luiz tweet made interesting reading
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2021, 08:34:16 AM
Quote
Wolves manager Nuno Espirito Santo is being lined up for a move away from Molineux by his agent Jorge Mendes, with Aston Villa emerging as a potential destination for the Portuguese boss. (Football Insider)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57048382
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 08:37:58 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2021, 08:38:35 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.

Couldn't have put it better :D
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 10, 2021, 08:50:09 AM
Football Insider is as credible as Steve Bruce's Tinder page. Both would break reality if anyone looked at them.
Steve Bruce’s Tinder page , brilliant  :)
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 10, 2021, 08:52:19 AM
If we're after Pereira then we may see some movement now, it seems a decision on Allardyce's futures will be made soon and rests on him having appropriate backing to fund a promotion push. Selling Pereira prompty probably works in their favour.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
Burnley players and now fucking Albion? Where's the exciting galacticos?
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 10, 2021, 09:08:07 AM
Sign the better players from the clubs below you, it works.

I'd be all over the likes of Berg, Pereira, Eze and Ings this Summer.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2021, 09:09:29 AM
Ings would be injured the second he signed. Southampton have been very lucky with how many games he's played for them compared to his prior record. I do like Eze. Not sure about Berg, he must be in his 50s by now?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
Sign the better players from the clubs below you, it works.

I'd be all over the likes of Berg, Pereira, Eze and Ings this Summer.
can you keep your sexual fantasies to your self.
This is supposed to be the Transfer Thread.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 10, 2021, 09:33:44 AM
Wolves manager wants to go back to Portugal and manage benfica
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Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.
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Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
We need a ball playing unit in front of the back four.  Been saying it for the last couple of years.
Not sure he fits your description Steve but need to get Pereira from Baggies as soon as possible. He's the strong skillful runner down the centre that we lack at the moment. 
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Post by: jwarry on May 10, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
Dean has said there are plenty of plates spinning and the owners are not going to rest until we are competing for CL places, so could be another interesting window in the summer
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Joking apart , I think Ward- Prowse can be a bit of a nasty, niggly little bugger on occasions and might bring a bit of bite and competitive edge that we sometimes lack in midfield. We are generally a bit too ‘nice’ in M/ F .

Ward Prowse just feels MON thinking to me, we wouldn't get him for under 40m either and for 40-50m signing you want to get someone in who you'd feel would drive us into top 6 at least within two seasons if not quicker.

What about Milenkovic Savic at Lazio? 26, two years left on his deal, constantly linked to CL teams but still at Lazio who'll miss out on CL, 6ft 3 and can play box to box role or as number 10 if needed.

Scored 8 in Serie A this season and 12 in 17/18 season so feels to me like a far more exciting signing than James Ward Prowse. Luiz Alberto is a very good number 10 player for them aswell.

West Ham signed Felipe Anderson for 42m from Lazio a few years back so you can get those types. They'd just finished 13th in the premier league on 42 points.
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Post by: Drummond on May 10, 2021, 01:45:12 PM
Ward-Prowse is a definite no for me. He's not done much til now bar score score a couple of free-kicks. He may strengthen the squad but he's not a player to improve on our First team.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 10, 2021, 01:57:21 PM
I really would like us to get a tough CM in along the lines of a Viera, Keane someone who really puts the foot in and intimidates teams.

I do however think that Sansom could become a good player next season once fully settled
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Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
I agree on Ward-Prowse, I like him but he's too similar to the rest of the midfielders we have. £40m for a guy who has a good free kick every now and then but doesn't add much in open play feels like a bad use of funds.

Milenkovic-Savic looks like the right sort of player but I've only seen highlights, the other one in Italy I like the look of (again just from highlights) is Locatelli at Sassuolo, I think he'd fit in perfectly for what we need. In fact Berardi and Locatelli coming from Sassuolo together would be a fantastic window for us.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2021, 02:14:23 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:30:42 PM
I agree on Ward-Prowse, I like him but he's too similar to the rest of the midfielders we have. £40m for a guy who has a good free kick every now and then but doesn't add much in open play feels like a bad use of funds.

Milenkovic-Savic looks like the right sort of player but I've only seen highlights, the other one in Italy I like the look of (again just from highlights) is Locatelli at Sassuolo, I think he'd fit in perfectly for what we need. In fact Berardi and Locatelli coming from Sassuolo together would be a fantastic window for us.

Yes Locatelli and Berardi are very good aswell, Berardi will be starting for Italy at this summers euros so one to watch.

On another forum I'm on there's plenty of Italian posters and they all say about him that he's fantastic player but needs team built around him and prefers playing in environment where there's less internal pressure. He's rejected moves to Jove and Roma in last few years.

That's the problem with ideal looking players sometimes, have to look in their background sometimes. Immobile barely scored at all at Dortmund and Sevilla, goes back to Lazio and instantly scores 25-30 a season again.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:34:58 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
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Post by: Risso on May 10, 2021, 02:41:07 PM
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

Luiz has never been an impact sub, surely. He started the majority of our games last season, and when he was a sub it was usually because somebody like Drinkwater was playing abysmally.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 02:47:33 PM
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

Luiz has never been an impact sub, surely. He started the majority of our games last season, and when he was a sub it was usually because somebody like Drinkwater was playing abysmally.

He was regular at start of last season but then Nakamba got a fair few games around October-December period. Lansbury also started ahead of him for Sheffield United away.... In January 2020 for example Luiz  came on in the game away to Brighton and home to Watford so this season he's gone to essential starter bar the odd game.

Very good up to January imo....not so great in the last three months but he's not alone in that regard from the regular starters.
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Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2021, 02:57:52 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I don't watch enough of Southampton to evaluate, but I thought that Romeu was bloody good against us down there and looked like the kind of player we could do with, he had the physicallity but also a good touch and could carry the ball.

It was probably his best performance of the season and he's usually gash now I've said that.
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Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 03:02:35 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.

I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 03:21:06 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.
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Post by: jwarry on May 10, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Don’t disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of
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Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Don’t disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

I expect us to be linked with Shania Twain and Def Leppard.
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Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 04:11:06 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Don’t disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

On that subject Daramy at FCK looks like he could become a good player but probably 2-3 years away. i can't see us looking at anyone else there though.
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Post by: Dave P on May 10, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 
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Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 04:23:38 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 

I can't decide on him, he was good against us and the stats show he's been decent in the last couple of months but he doesn't look like an upgrade on Bert to me, he seems similar in that he's very inconsistent.
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 10, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
Fuck giving the Bitters any money. They can scavenge Fat Sams brown paper bag cash from somewhere else.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 04:34:17 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Of all the players we are linked with in this position, he's the one that excites me the least. 

Really? I find him a very exciting player who will only get better having better players alongside him. He’s inventive, he’s great in dead all situations. I see him a bit like Lookman at Fulham, another player I would gladly have. He stands out in a relegated side and would be an upgrade on what we have today.

We need two types of player in my opinion. Ones that make our first team much better and ones that make our squad deeper and stronger. Our issue today is that when our best players are out or experience a loss of form, the drop off in quality is rather large. We need to bridge that gap over many windows so we can properly rotate our squad.
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Post by: caster troy on May 10, 2021, 04:44:29 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2021, 05:05:03 PM
Pereira should be our first signing. He’s a top young talent.

Don’t disagree but I suspect we will see the Lange signings this summer, some of which we will have never heard of

I expect us to be linked with Shania Twain and Def Leppard.

Ah, the Britpop bands. UB40 would be a difficult deal to do but it would be an exciting proposition. The scouts could go on an all-weekend binge to Prestatyn to see Wings.
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Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2021, 05:16:50 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.
We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.
I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
Declan Rice is the model for that CMF role: before his injury he was superb and the Spammers have missed him (Note how Soucek's scoring has dropped off since the Rice injury).
So, where's the next D Rice?
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Post by: OCD on May 10, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12301848/championship-team-of-the-season-2020-21

Michael Olise is the one that stands out to me, still only 19 and left footed. Could be an understudy to Traore and add some depth.
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Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2021, 05:22:08 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?
He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.
We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.
I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.
I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.
Declan Rice is the model for that CMF role: before his injury he was superb and the Spammers have missed him (Note how Soucek's scoring has dropped off since the Rice injury).
So, where's the next D Rice?

Absolutely, Rice is a perfect example of the player I want, if he moves he'll be looking for champions league but if we can find someone similar it'd be fantastic. Of the gettable targets Berge still seems the best fit for me and I'd be ok with an older player in a similar vein (Matic would be my choice but I suspect he wouldn't be that popular with most).
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2021, 05:51:05 PM
It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I want us to play with a flat 3 across midfield that allows the 3 in front to move around the pitch more, in that 3 I think the 4 midfielders in the squad that I like (McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey) are all suited to playing the 2 wider roles but then you want someone in between with the height, strength and running power to break up opposition attacks and transition us into our own. I think Chukwuemeka will become that type of player so I'm happy for him to be the cover option or for us to sign 2 players for the role with one being more of a whelan/jedinak signing to get us by for a year or 2.

I just think it's important we get a physical presence in there to take some of the pressure off Luiz to be an enforcer which doesn't really suit his game.

Matic - or is he too old now?
fernandinho - Would his Richie McCaw invisibility cloak desert him if he left Man City?
Milner - not a natural DM but definitely the right character
Wynaldum - on a free but would need crazy wages to gazump Liverpool/Barca’s offers

The more I think about it, all the above are compromises whereas we could buy the next off the rank with Bissoumba from Brighton.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 10, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Im not sure on Pereira, looks great in some matches and anonymous in others, but then I suspect that would always be the case for any flair player in a relegation certain team.

Anyway I had a dabble on one of their forums to see what they thought and come across this gem of a quote "Watching him dribble has been a joy to watch, he's been the most I've enjoyed watching a player since Jason Koumas"

The daft bastards are also talking about holding out for £90m. They will be lucky to get £25m.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2021, 05:56:35 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12301848/championship-team-of-the-season-2020-21

Michael Olise is the one that stands out to me, still only 19 and left footed. Could be an understudy to Traore and add some depth.

I’d even consider signing him and leaving him at Reading for the season, it should knock a few million off the price tag and allow him to get more experience in familiar surroundings.
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Post by: Londonvilla on May 10, 2021, 06:22:17 PM
Realistic options to improve the first team

Dwight Mcneil
  (£15 -£17m?)



Michael Olise  (£10 -£12m?)



Emiliano Buendia  (£35 -£37m?)




If Leicester City incoming transfer business is 9 out of 10, I think ours has been a solid 7 out of 10. So I have hope that we move forward with young talented ballers.

Let make and develop our own stars.



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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
Douglas Luiz has the right attitude there as he's learning and growing. Technically very good and part of Brazil team and squad I've been recently concerned on form but long term he's the man I stick with and was purchased with the ability to only improve . He's causal but really a calm player who plays at own pace.

 I think a couple of very experienced head alongside or in squad would work wonders for the whole team  :)

The other Week Dougie said this. (He turned 23 yesterday.)

“I have a good long pass, I’m good at marking, I have dribbling skills and I’m a good out-ball, At Villa part of my role is to close spaces to allow our full-backs to have more space. But I’m only 22 so there’s still a lot to learn, a lot of maturing to do. It’s up to me to keep fighting and asking for help from the manager and the older players.”

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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 10, 2021, 06:46:42 PM
Sergej Milinković-Savić or Javi Martinez to play in midfield
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Post by: garyellis on May 10, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
Talking to a big Norwich fan last week they don’t think Buendia will stick around for another season of struggle in the premier league.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
you're looking at closer to 100m for those three. McNeil is more like 35-40, Olise 15-20, Buendia 40-45
Talking to a big Norwich fan last week they don’t think Buendia will stick around for another season of struggle in the premier league.

He might not, but being under contract he's not going on the cheap. He's a super player so it would be nice to think we might be in for him.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2021, 09:11:56 PM
Did Buendia really do it in the Premier League last season?  I don't know a lot about him.  We could do with some height and pace about us and I'm not sure he fits what we are looking for?
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Post by: OCD on May 10, 2021, 09:14:04 PM
Presumably if we were going to buy Buendia, we would have bought him a couple of years ago as Smith was meant to have liked him but never signed him.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
I don't know what Ward-Prowse does that Hourihane doesn't.

Same here.
Yes indeed. He's going to eat out from those two free kicks at Villa Park for rest of his career.

Think his England caps might be more of a talking point.  If we were going to bring him in, it would be to replace / compete with Luiz.  We need a proper defensive midfielder that can do the kind of job Rice does for West Ham and Ndidi does for Leicester.

Romeu does that role for Southampton (and Hjoberg the year before his Spurs move) so Ward Prowse isn't even a DM.

It's a bit like the obsession with Philip Billing this time last year, people calling for us to sign him as a DM seemingly because he's 6ft 4 when he dosen't even play in that role for Bournemouth.

It still wouldn't shock me if we start the season with Luiz just in the role. He hasn't been great last few months but I dunno we had top 5 defence for most of the season and usually a DM plays a big part in that success don't they?

He's just young and lacks consistancy. This year he's pushed on from being an impact sub to a regular starter so I'm hoping for more improvement next season.

We could do with more goals from CM options though, that's a bit of a problem if you want to break into the top end of the table. Soucek scored 9 for West Ham so far so significant different to what our options have chipped in with.

I don't watch enough of Southampton to evaluate, but I thought that Romeu was bloody good against us down there and looked like the kind of player we could do with, he had the physicallity but also a good touch and could carry the ball.

It was probably his best performance of the season and he's usually gash now I've said that.

I'm pretty sure we were close to getting him years back when Houllier was here. Think we were looking at him and then Chelsea signed him, Fofana at Lyon was another but he got a bad injury and didn't really recover.

Yeah he's underrated but close to 30 now and gets a few injuries.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2021, 10:06:10 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.
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Post by: andyh on May 10, 2021, 10:48:59 PM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.

He wasn't even that good at set pieces. Scored one free kick, which deflected off the wall, against Man U on or soon after his debut and after that whenever we were on the telly and got a free kick the commentators would say something along the lines of "here comes Villa's set piece danger man" as he whacked it straight at the wall again.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2021, 10:57:24 PM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Roy Keane did ok at United. Robertson and Wijnaldum at Liverpool. There are plenty of decent players in the championship and at clubs below us in the table. However, I don't see anyone in the relegated three teams that immediately suggests they would improve our first eleven. Lookman didn't really kick on after a bright start at Fulham. Perreira is a talent but that's the position Id like to see McGinn in next season.

Curcic was bat shit mental. Not really sure why Hadji flopped, DOL didn't give him a chance at all?
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 10, 2021, 11:07:46 PM
Until Romeu's injury,Ward-Prowse and him were the best pair of holding midfielders.They were good defensively,knew the role well and their first time passes were accurate.If available,Romeu would be the cheap,ageing,possibly injury prone option.
Ward-Prowse would be expensive but a great acquisition.Doesn't waste a pass,lacks some pace but reads the game well and his set piece delivery is the best in the country.Deserves to be in the England squad.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 10, 2021, 11:59:22 PM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?

Yes. If you want a striker that doesn't possess any real skill, has no pace, rarely presses the ball and highly likely won't score more than 10 goals in the Premier League.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2021, 12:34:46 AM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Alan Thompson another. Started off o.k but then completely faded although he did well enough at Celtic to get an England call up.

He was pretty much Hourihane twenty years earlier, good on dead balls but very little else to his game.

He wasn't even that good at set pieces. Scored one free kick, which deflected off the wall, against Man U on or soon after his debut and after that whenever we were on the telly and got a free kick the commentators would say something along the lines of "here comes Villa's set piece danger man" as he whacked it straight at the wall again.

It was Boro on his home debut. He'd missed a penalty in the first half that day and then hit a terrible penalty a few weeks late at home to Wimbledon (Merse's debut) and thanfully never took one again.

I was watching a few YTs of early games from 98/99 the other day and he was hitting some nice strikes from outside the area that the keepers were tipping over the bar but soon went out of the line up. Was Bolton's best player anyway when they went down in 97/98.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2021, 12:37:14 AM
I am always uncomfortable with signing players who either looked really good against us and/or looked decent in relegated teams. Maybe I have just never recovered from the likes of Sasa Curcic and Mustapha Hadji who scarred me at a young age.

Roy Keane did ok at United. Robertson and Wijnaldum at Liverpool. There are plenty of decent players in the championship and at clubs below us in the table. However, I don't see anyone in the relegated three teams that immediately suggests they would improve our first eleven. Lookman didn't really kick on after a bright start at Fulham. Perreira is a talent but that's the position Id like to see McGinn in next season.

Curcic was bat shit mental. Not really sure why Hadji flopped, DOL didn't give him a chance at all?

Hadji came under Gregory. I thought he was excellent at Coventry and good Merson replacement in long run so thought it was a good deal giving them Joachim and him coming in swop but he played very few games even after joining, Hassan Kachoul was more of a regular for first few months of that season before he also got frozen out so that probably showed Gregory's weakness of prefering hard running and grit over too much flair in the team.
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Post by: Mister E on May 11, 2021, 08:41:22 AM
With Fulham gone (again) could Mitrovic do a job for us ?
putting out the training cones?
Seriously, He only scored 3 goals in the Prem this season and the team only scored 25 so it's not like he was assisting loads. We have Davis to be the forward brute and not-score.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2021, 06:03:35 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Mitrovic is the embodiment of the classic cliche - too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Premier League.
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 12, 2021, 06:34:33 PM
I see Ryan Bertrand is leaving Southampton, experienced back up to Targett?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 12, 2021, 06:37:11 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:20:03 PM
Mitrovic is toss - he looked good a couple of years ago - we don't really need a dad-bod of a striker who doesn't score - we've only recently got rid of Agbonlahor.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2021, 07:22:01 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

He'll be 32 by the time the new season starts.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:27:00 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

He'll be 32 by the time the new season starts.
Ok.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 12, 2021, 07:41:06 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

I dunno, I got the impression he was released. I'd rather sign an up and coming talent at left back who can grow to compete with Targett but wouldn't be overly concerned if we signed an experienced player as cover instead.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 12, 2021, 07:45:34 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

I dunno, I got the impression he was released. I'd rather sign and up and coming talent at left back who can grow to compete with Targett but wouldn't be overly concerned if we signed an experienced player as cover instead.
same here.

What's our left back options like in the u23?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2021, 07:51:58 PM
Welcome Freddy Leth who is our new Head of Football Research. Someone Johnny L clearly knew from his time at Copenhagen.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2021, 08:07:36 PM
Welcome Freddy Leth who is our new Head of Football Research. Someone Johnny L clearly knew from his time at Copenhagen.

I am a fan of the “DoF” approach but some of these job titles are getting quite spurious.  Who responsible for establishing each positions’ responsibilities, targets, and ultimately accountable for all the football/sport based side of the club? 
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Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2021, 08:17:44 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent

I used to think that this was just a sales pitch to sell season tickets but Dean is too honest for that. Looking forward to the summer. 
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Post by: Richard E on May 12, 2021, 08:26:13 PM
Yes it’s a bit more credible from the mouth of Dean Smith than that of Doug Ellis.

Especially as Doug Ellis is dead, obviously.
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Post by: algy on May 12, 2021, 08:28:48 PM
Welcome Freddy Leth who is our new Head of Football Research. Someone Johnny L clearly knew from his time at Copenhagen.

I am a fan of the “DoF” approach but some of these job titles are getting quite spurious.  Who responsible for establishing each positions’ responsibilities, targets, and ultimately accountable for all the football/sport based side of the club?
Not sure, but Leth was promoted to Technical Director at FC Copenhagen after Lange left (I.e Lange’s old position), so presumably he’s coming in basically as his #2. Absolutely fine with me, feels like we’re building a recruitment team similar to the one Brentford have, but a few steps up the food chain.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2021, 08:30:46 PM
Welcome Freddy Leth who is our new Head of Football Research. Someone Johnny L clearly knew from his time at Copenhagen.

I am a fan of the “DoF” approach but some of these job titles are getting quite spurious.  Who responsible for establishing each positions’ responsibilities, targets, and ultimately accountable for all the football/sport based side of the club? 

The person who hired him I assume
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2021, 09:05:51 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.

He's their captain isn't he?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
Welcome Freddy Leth who is our new Head of Football Research. Someone Johnny L clearly knew from his time at Copenhagen.


According to his LinkedIn profile he's been at Villa since Feb.

Anyway, hopefully good news even if he does like a bit of a nerd. https://www.fck.dk/en/news/frederik-leth-appointed-new-fck-technical-director
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Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2021, 09:37:20 PM
Yes it’s a bit more credible from the mouth of Dean Smith than that of Doug Ellis.

Especially as Doug Ellis is dead, obviously.

Marginally given some of the twaddle Deano has come out with lately about Grealish's injury.

Going to be a tricky summer for signings you would think given the Euros and the ESL mob maybe having less cash to play with than they banked on.
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 13, 2021, 12:19:22 AM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.

He's their captain isn't he?
I think this is about Bertrand.Interesting to see how some Premier League clubs are facing the future and with Southampton it's looking strange,why didn't they they offload Bertrand,a better full back at the time than Targett,but with a limited  shelf life,.Same with Palace ,by far the oldest first team squad  in the league and 13 of the first team squad contracts run out this summer.They look a basket case.Add in Spurs and Arsenal's downturn.
Even without the wealth of our owners,we look a well run club for a change.
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Post by: Dave on May 13, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

I dunno, I got the impression he was released. I'd rather sign an up and coming talent at left back who can grow to compete with Targett but wouldn't be overly concerned if we signed an experienced player as cover instead.

He's being linked to Arsenal and AC Milan, so I think it's very much his decision.
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Post by: DB on May 13, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
From our regular starting 11, Martinez, the back 4, Grealish, Watkins and possibly McGinn (who was my motm today) - I want to see starting next season, the rest need upgrading.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2021, 08:51:39 PM
If he's not good enough for a place in the Southampton squad he probably isn't good enough for a place in ours.
is he not good enough? he's leaving for a new challenge.

I dunno, I got the impression he was released. I'd rather sign an up and coming talent at left back who can grow to compete with Targett but wouldn't be overly concerned if we signed an experienced player as cover instead.

He's being linked to Arsenal and AC Milan, so I think it's very much his decision.

Fair enough. I hardly ever watch Southampton, they're about the blandest team in the league, so no idea if he's playing well. I obviously misconstrued the link I skim-read.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2021, 08:53:22 PM
From our regular starting 11, Martinez, the back 4, Grealish, Watkins and possibly McGinn (who was my motm today) - I want to see starting next season, the rest need upgrading.

Luiz was mostly good today, and people forget how young he is. I'll be delighted if he's still here next season. He is only going to get better.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
From our regular starting 11, Martinez, the back 4, Grealish, Watkins and possibly McGinn (who was my motm today) - I want to see starting next season, the rest need upgrading.

Luiz was mostly good today, and people forget how young he is. I'll be delighted if he's still here next season. He is only going to get better.

Agreed re Luiz (plus I'd like to have a regular for the Brazil team also playing for the Villa).
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2021, 10:05:53 PM
From our regular starting 11, Martinez, the back 4, Grealish, Watkins and possibly McGinn (who was my motm today) - I want to see starting next season, the rest need upgrading.

Luiz was mostly good today, and people forget how young he is. I'll be delighted if he's still here next season. He is only going to get better.

Yup.
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Post by: DB on May 13, 2021, 10:36:02 PM
From our regular starting 11, Martinez, the back 4, Grealish, Watkins and possibly McGinn (who was my motm today) - I want to see starting next season, the rest need upgrading.

Luiz was mostly good today, and people forget how young he is. I'll be delighted if he's still here next season. He is only going to get better.

Agreed re Luiz (plus I'd like to have a regular for the Brazil team also playing for the Villa).

Young yes, but just when it looks like he steps up he goes a bit flat. Gave the ball away today far too much, I would have him as a squad player.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2021, 11:04:02 PM
Let’s not forget players develop. You probably wouldn’t have had Targett as one of your starters if you’d assessed the squad a year ago.
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Post by: oldhill_avfc on May 14, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Louis is 23 with 67 premier appearances.  He’s not a novice and too inconsistent in my opinion.

Agree with poster who said we have a core of the back 5 plus Jack, McGinn and Watkins to build on.
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Post by: Small Rodent on May 14, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
What is Luiz's midfield position? I'm sure he was not bought for the job he is doing at the moment.
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Post by: Chris Stares on May 14, 2021, 09:00:34 AM
Louis is 23 with 67 premier appearances.  He’s not a novice and too inconsistent in my opinion.

Agree with poster who said we have a core of the back 5 plus Jack, McGinn and Watkins to build on.
Interesting that many people were saying similar things about Jack's inconsistency when he had just turned 23...
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 14, 2021, 09:16:26 AM
Luiz had moat touches on the pitch last night of any player (84) a pass accuracy of 92.7% last night.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 14, 2021, 10:00:12 AM
What is Luiz's midfield position? I'm sure he was not bought for the job he is doing at the moment.

Sitting in front of the back four is where he should be. Getting the ball off the back and getting us playing. He bombs forward a bit too much for my liking, then again it was his cross that put that chance on a plate for Mings last night.

He can certainly play a bit but I'd like to see him braver demanding the ball off the back and playing more on the half turn, he can be far too safe at times. Without the ball he isn't developing at all in terms of his positional discipline. Doesn't sense danger enough for me, like for Gomez two chances yesterday. That's a big weakness for any holding midfielder. I'm not his biggest fan but watch Mings last night for that chance at end, he made certain DLC wasn't getting to that cross. Touch tight, goal side of his man and a great clearance. I rarely see Luis do anything like that.

I did think he was decent enough last night though as was McGinn. We did win the midfield battle, can't even remember who was playing in midfield for Everton along with Allan.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 14, 2021, 10:13:57 AM
I thought he had a very good first half last night. Level dropped a bit in the second, but so did everybody else's.

I like him and think he'll get even better if we add some more quality around him this summer.
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Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
I thought he had a very good first half last night. Level dropped a bit in the second, but so did everybody else's.
I like him and think he'll get even better if we add some more quality around him this summer.
Your point about getting in more quality is a good observation - one that also applies to AEG.
Luiz is frustrating because it's clear he has the ability. My 'take' is that he lacks a bit of short-distance pace (acceleration away from the first opponent) and often sees a pass aren't seeing - which means he effectively mispasses.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
I’m not really sure what the need is (for some) to rush to judgement on Douglas. He’s young, has a lot of talent, and I almost guarantee he’ll kick on in his development. He’s a player we should be very happy to keep if we can.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2021, 12:49:12 PM
What is Luiz's midfield position? I'm sure he was not bought for the job he is doing at the moment.

He plays deep for Brazil but with more licence to push forward so pretty much what McGinn has played this season, Casemiro is the pure DM for Brazil.

One thing I don't quite get though, he's played DM for us for pretty much the whole season. Our defence has been top 6 for pretty much whole season. Why isn't he getting massive praise for that just as say Kante rightly gets praised for how good the Chelsea backline has been since Tuchel came in.

That's part of his job don't forget. Sigurdsson barely had a kick last night aside from a couple of free kicks and Richarlison was popping up centrally at times and he only came into the game last 20 minutes (pulling out wide) so surely Doug should be getting credit for nulifying oppositions best attacking players as that played a part in the clean sheet.
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Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2021, 12:55:59 PM
What is Luiz's midfield position? I'm sure he was not bought for the job he is doing at the moment.

He plays deep for Brazil but with more licence to push forward so pretty much what McGinn has played this season, Casemiro is the pure DM for Brazil.

One thing I don't quite get though, he's played DM for us for pretty much the whole season. Our defence has been top 6 for pretty much whole season. Why isn't he getting massive praise for that just as say Kante rightly gets praised for how good the Chelsea backline has been since Tuchel came in.

That's part of his job don't forget. Sigurdsson barely had a kick last night aside from a couple of free kicks and Richarlison was popping up centrally at times and he only came into the game last 20 minutes (pulling out wide) so surely Doug should be getting credit for nulifying oppositions best attacking players as that played a part in the clean sheet.

His role for Brazil is where i'd like to see him for us, I think he's more box-to-box than outright defensive and he has the touch and vision to be dangerous in the final 3rd, that's why I'd like to see a genuine DM come in and let McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey fight out for 2 '8' spots.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2021, 01:00:08 PM
I wouldn't be against that but I'd be amazed if McGinn isn't an automatic pick for next season either so just means he gets pushed into number 10 role again and he really seems to have lost the art of what made him so dangerous in championship and early part of our first prem season, those classic late runs into the box and getting on end of stuff.

He can still do it for Scotland at times but would be risky as we simply don't score enough from central midfield as other teams who we're hoping to finish above next season.

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Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
I wouldn't be against that but I'd be amazed if McGinn isn't an automatic pick for next season either so just means he gets pushed into number 10 role again and he really seems to have lost the art of what made him so dangerous in championship and early part of our first prem season, those classic late runs into the box and getting on end of stuff.

He can still do it for Scotland at times but would be risky as we simply don't score enough from central midfield as other teams who we're hoping to finish above next season.

We'll see but I don't want a 10 and 2 wingers, I think that shape makes us more defensive, as bizarre as it sounds. As I've mentioned about Everton yesterday they effectively played with 7 players who had defensive responsibilities and then 3 further forward who did a bit of pressing from the front but other than that clearly weren't expected to be chasing runners all game.

I want a similar setup (but less defensive), Jack, Watkins and another as a front 3 and then a fairly flat 3 in midfield behind where the 2 8s help out with covering the runs from opposition fullbacks to allow the attacking players to stay higher up the pitch. Traore gets a lot of shit for not tracking back well but for me all that shows is that system is wrong, he shouldn't need to do as much tracking back as we ask for right now.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent

According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.
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Post by: aev on May 14, 2021, 01:54:54 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent

According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.

Ah, not simply money to spend, but a "war chest".
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Post by: OCD on May 14, 2021, 02:19:35 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success. 
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2021, 02:36:47 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success. 

I hope we don't waste our money over the coming seasons and 'only' end up in the top 4 and FA Cup and CL finals.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Signing well enough to finish above Chelsea is a massive long shot.

We need to be signing enough good players this summer to be finishing above two of Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and West Ham next season. It is realistic and it can be done considering we haven't been far off three of them for most of this season and West Ham will drop if they end up in europa league so not concerned about them long term.
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Post by: Dave on May 14, 2021, 02:44:15 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?
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Post by: OCD on May 14, 2021, 02:51:25 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?

Werner, Havertz and Ziyech haven't exactly set the Premier League on fire. Werner's missed some sitters.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?

Werner, Havertz and Ziyech haven't exactly set the Premier League on fire. Werner's missed some sitters.

Thiago Silva and the keeper have done pretty well.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?

Werner, Havertz and Ziyech haven't exactly set the Premier League on fire. Werner's missed some sitters.

Thiago Silva and the keeper have done pretty well.

Werner has missed some sitters but he’s scored 10+ and assisted 10+ that’s a pretty good debut season. Havertz is a serious talent, as shown in the Champs League semi, who has dealt with long COVID. Ziyech is also a very talented player.
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Post by: jwarry on May 14, 2021, 03:28:10 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?

Werner, Havertz and Ziyech haven't exactly set the Premier League on fire. Werner's missed some sitters.

Thiago Silva and the keeper have done pretty well.

Werner has missed some sitters but he’s scored 10+ and assisted 10+ that’s a pretty good debut season. Havertz is a serious talent, as shown in the Champs League semi, who has dealt with long COVID. Ziyech is also a very talented player.

And all in their first PL season. We know it takes time to adjust
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 14, 2021, 03:32:04 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent

According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.

Ah, not simply money to spend, but a "war chest".
How can they keep doing this?  FFP hasn't completely dissapeared has it?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2021, 03:45:31 PM
According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.

Ah, not simply money to spend, but a "war chest".

How can they keep doing this?  FFP hasn't completely dissapeared has it?

Isn't it relaxed somewhat for the pandemic but I was hoping someone could explain this in detail and whether we could similarly 'go for it'.
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Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2021, 03:46:56 PM
Because Chelsea's spending last summer was such a resounding success.

Given the results, it was, wasn't it?

Quite, fourth in the league ain’t too bad considering. They’ve improved as the season has unfolded and look very good on their day now.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2021, 04:10:50 PM
4th isn’t any better than last season so in that regard they might consider it a failure relative to the expenditure. But I would also say that if Tuchel had been there from the start he would have used all those players better and they might have challenged Man City for the title. He’s done a remarkable job since he started.
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Post by: OCD on May 14, 2021, 04:48:25 PM
Or where they would be if Frank was still in charge.
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Post by: Dave on May 14, 2021, 05:06:22 PM
4th isn’t any better than last season so in that regard they might consider it a failure relative to the expenditure.

It does rather ignore the FA Cup final and Champions League final though.

Which aren't exactly nothing.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2021, 05:27:26 PM
4th isn’t any better than last season so in that regard they might consider it a failure relative to the expenditure.

It does rather ignore the FA Cup final and Champions League final though.

Which aren't exactly nothing.

It was a comment on the league position which the investment was in large part meant to improve. They wanted to compete for the title. And as stated much of the improvement including qualification to those finals came once Tuchel arrived. Not minimizing that. So the net net is that it is a better year overall but it required a managerial change to achieve it.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2021, 09:18:08 PM
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Dean Smith: “We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

I just pitched a tent

According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.

Ah, not simply money to spend, but a "war chest".
How can they keep doing this?  FFP hasn't completely dissapeared has it?


They had the transfer ban so saved a bit from then and also sold Hazard for 90m which is looking one of the deals of the century.
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Post by: DeeBoy1 on May 14, 2021, 09:20:55 PM
I’d love us to go and take Saint Maximin from Newcastle...absolutely cracking player and would give us a level of power and pace on the flanks that we don’t have
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2021, 10:55:49 PM
I’d be looking at Andersson on loan at Fulham for a defensive signing. Looks a very good player.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2021, 12:23:30 AM
Isn't he nailed on for Spurs?

We need pace out wide, and a proper 10 that can create magic when Jack is out, and compliment him when fit.

After that a striker and a big, quality centre mid. Centre half can wait.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2021, 04:15:51 AM
We need a centre half for me, in addition to those others. We’ve been lucky that Konsa and Mings have been fit this season, but Engels is probably off and Hause is decent but nothing more than that.

Andersson might well go to Spurs, but they’re not exactly stable at the moment. It could be an opportunity to exploit.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2021, 05:55:18 AM
Isn't he nailed on for Spurs?

We need pace out wide, and a proper 10 that can create magic when Jack is out, and compliment him when fit.

After that a striker and a big, quality centre mid. Centre half can wait.

Is anyone nailed on for Spurs while they don’t have a permanent manager? And will Graham Potter or Sean Dyche want him?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2021, 06:49:39 AM
cover at full-back, mainly left back - especially if Kesler is coming in to be an option at RB.
Defensive midfielder is a must for me - I think Luiz could be used better higher up the pitch.
Quality out wide, both sides, which could move Jack into the 10 role.
And a striker - as Wesley and Davis there's too many question marks on.
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Post by: algy on May 15, 2021, 08:24:26 AM
Actual rumour time: supposedly we're being linked with Abdul Mumin, a Ghanaian international currently playing in the Portuguese league. Central defender, 22 years old, was playing in the Danish league up until recently which is presumably why the rumour (true or not) has started. £12m, according to the S*n.
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Post by: aev on May 15, 2021, 08:30:28 AM
Actual rumour time: supposedly we're being linked with Abdul Mumin, a Ghanaian international currently playing in the Portuguese league. Central defender, 22 years old, was playing in the Danish league up until recently which is presumably why the rumour (true or not) has started. £12m, according to the S*n.

Didn't he play at FC Hattifatteners?
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Post by: Mister E on May 15, 2021, 09:31:16 AM
Actual rumour time: supposedly we're being linked with Abdul Mumin, a Ghanaian international currently playing in the Portuguese league. Central defender, 22 years old, was playing in the Danish league up until recently which is presumably why the rumour (true or not) has started. £12m, according to the S*n.
He plays alongside Villa Academy player Easah Suliman.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 15, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
cover at full-back, mainly left back - especially if Kesler is coming in to be an option at RB.
Defensive midfielder is a must for me - I think Luiz could be used better higher up the pitch.
Quality out wide, both sides, which could move Jack into the 10 role.
And a striker - as Wesley and Davis there's too many question marks on.

I have just read that Ryan Bertrand is leaving Southampton at the end of the season.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
Former Tottenham winger Marcus Edwards is at Vitoria as well. Seen him linked with other sides but that's one we might look at. Musrati at Braga has been getting good reviews as a defensive midfielder.

Noni Madueke, like Edwards, is an ex Tottingham youth player and has seven goals in 27 games at PSV. Not bad for a 19 year old attacking midfielder.

The step up from those leagues to the top division here is big, of course. But the fees they'll command will be more realistic than from English sides.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2021, 02:57:56 PM
Be great to bring in another winger and central midfielder good enough to go straight into the starting line up. If Heaton goes to Man Yoo as expected, we may bring in another keeper. 
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Post by: Matt C on May 15, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
Tammy not even in the Chelsea squad today.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 15, 2021, 05:04:25 PM
Be great to bring in another winger and central midfielder good enough to go straight into the starting line up. If Heaton goes to Man Yoo as expected, we may bring in another keeper. 

Is heaton’s contract up or will they have to pay a fee?
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Post by: Dave on May 15, 2021, 05:17:43 PM
The first one
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2021, 06:09:02 PM
We need a centre half for me, in addition to those others. We’ve been lucky that Konsa and Mings have been fit this season, but Engels is probably off and Hause is decent but nothing more than that.

Andersson might well go to Spurs, but they’re not exactly stable at the moment. It could be an opportunity to exploit.

Anderson wouldn't come in as backup when he's been first choice (and captain) at Fulham. He can just go back to Lyon and do that for them in CL.

So either we promise him a serious shot at getting in ahead of Mings when he dips and makes an error or he won't come. Having watched Spurs regularly since xmas he's got a serious chance of starting there as I think their CB options are the worst in the top 11.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
Aye.  Midfield and other positions you can probably rotate more and keep it fresh. Have Luiz, McGinn, Sanson, Nakamba and possibly AN Other to battle it out for the starting spots week to week.

We've seen the benefits of a settled back for this year so -unless Mings gets an injury at the Euros or someone breaks down in pre season - we're realistically looking at either a younger player who doesn't mind biding his time. Or an experienced pro in the Colin Calderwood/ Carl Tiler mould who is content to slot in as required.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2021, 07:52:40 PM
All this stuff about Leicester being a well-run club after the result today just makes me think...I don't care who you sign, just get it right this time.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2021, 08:02:55 PM
All this stuff about Leicester being a well-run club after the result today just makes me think...I don't care who you sign, just get it right this time.

Leicester have sold all of Kante, Mahrez, Maguire and errrrr Drinkwater in last 5 years. Had a drop off after winning the league and quickly sacked Ranieri then decided Shaky wasn't a number one and Puel was too boring and underachieving so they haven't kept unsuitable managers in jobs for long and Rodgers was a masterstroke.

They're basically as far away from what we did from 2010 onwards as you can get...selling key players and replacing them with total rubbish which meant we quickly dropped from 6th to 16th (while pretty much brainwashing the fanbase we could do little about it) and Paul Lambert somehow staying in the job for nearly three full seasons.

Our present owners and Purslow have been brilliant so far but I suspect there's hard decisions to come in next two years that won't please everyone on here. To get in top 6 these days you have to get so much right in short period of time. It can be done but it's not easy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2021, 08:07:20 PM
Get McNeil and Wood from Burnley in a £40M package. 10M for wood should be enough as he is 29 and 30M for McNeil.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2021, 08:51:49 PM
thanks but no thanks. We need more imagination that that
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Post by: Dave P on May 15, 2021, 09:02:09 PM
Get McNeil and Wood from Burnley in a £40M package. 10M for wood should be enough as he is 29 and 30M for McNeil.

Chris Wood? Come on now, that’s enough internet for you today.
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Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2021, 09:05:10 PM
I'd take McNeil, he's young and has a lot of quality. Put him in a proper football team and he'd shine.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2021, 09:46:45 PM
All this stuff about Leicester being a well-run club after the result today just makes me think...I don't care who you sign, just get it right this time.

We pretty much did this season. All our permanent signings have been good.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2021, 09:47:40 PM
10M for wood

I used to like you ☹
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 15, 2021, 09:51:18 PM
Get McNeil and Wood from Burnley in a £40M package. 10M for wood should be enough as he is 29 and 30M for McNeil.

Chris Wood? Come on now, that’s enough internet for you today.

Chris Wood is light years better than Davis and Wesley. He's scored one league goal less than Watkins has this season in two less appearances than him. He also has broke double figures in the Premier League for the last 4 seasons. He's currently at 31 apps / 12 goals and some are turning their nose up at figures like that?

Maybe it's yourself that's had enough internet for the day. ;)
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Post by: LukeJames on May 15, 2021, 10:02:08 PM
Get McNeil and Wood from Burnley in a £40M package. 10M for wood should be enough as he is 29 and 30M for McNeil.

Chris Wood? Come on now, that’s enough internet for you today.

Chris Wood is light years better than Davis and Wesley. He's scored one league goal less than Watkins has this season in two less appearances than him.

In a team completely set up for him. He's not doing that for us.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
At the risk of being overly technical in my analysis, Chris Wood is fucking wank.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 15, 2021, 10:05:58 PM
According to The Sun, Chelski are going to give Tuchel a 150m 'warchest' this Summer. I guess we'd need to be spending something similar to make a concerted push for top 6.

Ah, not simply money to spend, but a "war chest".

How can they keep doing this?  FFP hasn't completely dissapeared has it?

Isn't it relaxed somewhat for the pandemic but I was hoping someone could explain this in detail and whether we could similarly 'go for it'.

I had a brief look at it and my understanding is that it's FFP has been postponed but that doesn't mean a financial free for all. I think owners are allowed to cover costs due to loss of income due to covid restrictions to stop clubs going bust. I'm not sure whether that would allow big spending by us or anyone else though. I believe that FFP is being ended soon as well and a new system is coming in. I simply googled FFP rules.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2021, 10:11:15 PM
No doubt any new system would be designed to protect the Man United and Juventus types of this world and prevent any potential challengers to the establishment.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2021, 10:36:01 PM
Get McNeil and Wood from Burnley in a £40M package. 10M for wood should be enough as he is 29 and 30M for McNeil.

Chris Wood? Come on now, that’s enough internet for you today.

Chris Wood is light years better than Davis and Wesley. He's scored one league goal less than Watkins has this season in two less appearances than him.

In a team completely set up for him. He's not doing that for us.

And that’s exactly the point.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 15, 2021, 11:11:00 PM
No doubt any new system would be designed to protect the Man United and Juventus types of this world and prevent any potential challengers to the establishment.

I think that's exactly how it works. Even against challenging clubs with rich owners like us.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
The only hope is that the ESL bid has pissed off UEFA so much that they do everything they can to undermine those clubs, which could benefit the likes of Villa.

The ESL could be those clubs' "Ratner moment". Fingers crossed, anyway.
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Post by: Ads on May 16, 2021, 09:57:35 AM
Did Deano describe our potential target list as exciting last week.
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Post by: Villan82 on May 16, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
All this stuff about Leicester being a well-run club after the result today just makes me think...I don't care who you sign, just get it right this time.

Leicester have sold all of Kante, Mahrez, Maguire and errrrr Drinkwater in last 5 years. Had a drop off after winning the league and quickly sacked Ranieri then decided Shaky wasn't a number one and Puel was too boring and underachieving so they haven't kept unsuitable managers in jobs for long and Rodgers was a masterstroke.

They're basically as far away from what we did from 2010 onwards as you can get...selling key players and replacing them with total rubbish which meant we quickly dropped from 6th to 16th (while pretty much brainwashing the fanbase we could do little about it) and Paul Lambert somehow staying in the job for nearly three full seasons.


I will never forget the disappointment of going from challenging for the top four three year's straight to fighting relegation and assembling a 'young and hungry' team of players I hadn't heard of signed from the Championship and League One*.

* I know this is a slight exaggeration and it's the nature of the football pyramid but 2011-2015 there were some really poor signings and a staggering number of them made a lot of appearances for us.

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Post by: curiousorange on May 16, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
What really annoys me about the Leicester story is that they collapsed into League One, messed around trying to get back up, managed it, should have gotten relegated again, had a mad manager and a massive scandal, hired a has-been and still won the Premier League. We fannied around for ages and the best we got was a whipping in the Cup Final.
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 16, 2021, 02:52:00 PM
We sold Benteke and replaced him with Rudy Gestede. Everyone knew how limited he was, 1 season of heading in the Championship was all he ever amounted to. A shitter replacement I can't recall us ever making.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2021, 03:26:59 PM
We sold Benteke and replaced him with Rudy Gestede. Everyone knew how limited he was, 1 season of heading in the Championship was all he ever amounted to. A shitter replacement I can't recall us ever making.
Irelad for Milner?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2021, 03:55:58 PM
We could look back the sides from 80-82 and cry all night at what we replaced those heroes with
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 16, 2021, 05:43:46 PM
When we sold Andy Gray he said Wolves were heading in a different direction to Villa. How right he was. Swings and roundabouts sometimes.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 16, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
We could look back the sides from 80-82 and cry all night at what we replaced those heroes with

I totally agree with you I'm shedding a tear just thinking about it.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 17, 2021, 10:56:59 AM
£260m to spend this summer according to reports.  Should be enough for Kane and Son.
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Post by: Villan82 on May 17, 2021, 11:04:01 AM
That is serious dosh. This really feels like The Summer where we could seriously be the real deal.

We need to make sure we spend it wisely.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 17, 2021, 11:05:11 AM
That's an insane amount of dollar. We won't spend that much. If we did, we'd be looking at top 4 as a minimum.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 17, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
May be an insane sum but thinking it over we need to show we are as ambitious as JG is otherwise he will be looking elsewhere. It's not the purchase price but the wages we will have to pay to get the players we need.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 17, 2021, 11:10:32 AM
Wow, if the £260 million is a true figure then we can expect to sign some of the best players available

Forget Abraham we need to sign the guys who are going to take us into the top 4 of this league
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 17, 2021, 11:13:13 AM
Thing is will Dean be trusted with it as part of the decision making?
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
No way in a million years we'd spend that this summer.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
The Brentford Chairman is currently having a swimming pool installed, soon to be filled with £50 notes.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 17, 2021, 11:19:13 AM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)



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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 17, 2021, 11:21:39 AM
The Brentford Chairman is currently having a swimming pool installed, soon to be filled with £50 notes.

Da Costa
Henry
Toney
Mbuemo

260M well spent...
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)

The owners will not be basing a decision like that on winning a game against Chelsea or Spurs.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
£260m to spend this summer according to reports.  Should be enough for Kane and Son.

£260m, it's officially a 'war chest'!

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Post by: Richard on May 17, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
260m ??? Get the lad from Barca he's decent.
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Post by: OzVilla on May 17, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
I’d be happy with half that amount. Really can’t see it.
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 11:45:54 AM
260m ??? Get the lad from Barca he's decent.

Nah, he's not a tidy player.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2021, 11:48:09 AM
We’re never spending that much.
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Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2021, 11:49:06 AM
If that figure is even remotely accurate then the comments from Smith about it being an exciting summer make a lot of sense.

Additionally it would mean bad news for players like Davis and Nakamba.
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Post by: algy on May 17, 2021, 12:02:05 PM
I think it's vaguely feasible.  FFP will be loosened off a bit, so it potentially gives us one of the few opportunities to spend money like Man City / Chelsea did immediately before FFP came in to force.   There'll be a number of clubs, particularly in Europe, who are feeling the pinch financially so players might be available that might not have otherwise been, or they'll be cheaper than they'd otherwise been (e.g. Sanson).

To me, it's not completely beyond the realms of possibility that we might spend £200m+ in the summer, and upgrade 7 or 8 players in the squad to ones that previously would've been in the £50m-£60m range ordinarily but now are in the £20m-£30m range.  You'd be looking at wholesale changes to the first team with that -- probably moving to a place where the squad would be something like Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, McGinn, Luiz, Grealish, Traore, Watkins, AEG, Hause, Wesley, Sanson, Steer, Ramsey -- then new players for the remaining spots


I mean, I'm taking the figure with a massive pinch of salt myself, but I suppose what I'm saying is that it's feasible, and it'd likely push us in to a position where we could quite comfortably rotate players across the squad and realistically challenge on multiple fronts.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 12:03:58 PM
It would be a bonkers budget for a team not yet in Europe.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 17, 2021, 12:04:37 PM
No matter what budget we have, it will still be a challenge convincing CL standard players to join a bottom half EPL team. More than likely it will be young players with potential again or players who have lost their way. I do think we shouldn't be shy about getting in an experienced head or two. The binary line that over 30s are to avoided is a bit self defeating. An experienced backup striker and LCM would help us a lot. Like the impact Cavani has had at United.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 17, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
If we're looking to Leicester as an example to emulate, we're probably looking more at Tielemans type players than Cavanis. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a well known face who gets signed as a statement of intent.
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Post by: Baldy on May 17, 2021, 12:45:21 PM
It would certainly do no harm to have one or two experienced players in our team.

Howsabout Kante from Chelsea as a starter. 30 years old but plenty still left in the tank. That would be making a statement.  :)
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Post by: OCD on May 17, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
Question is does that sum include transfer sales including Jack?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 17, 2021, 12:49:18 PM
It strikes me that if Jack is going to go it would get done before the Euros to prevent a bidding war on the release fee.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 12:51:35 PM
Stop trying to sell our best player! It's like the Birmingham sodding Mail site on here.

Grealish is not leaving. He has a massive contract. He loves Villa. We are rich. He is staying.

Cheer up!
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 17, 2021, 12:54:44 PM
I am not selling him Sir.  Strikes me that teams will be reluctant anyway given his injury record.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 17, 2021, 12:58:35 PM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)





Not sure on that, Everton spend 500m since 2016 and they could well finish 10th now.

It's not as simple, the 250m might include Jack leaving for 100m + (let's hope not) so that will reset expectations given that sort of strategy didn't work out that well in summer 2015.

I think it's more likely 100m budget given we spent 80m last summer and whatever we raise in sales so potentially another 20-30m.

250m warchest would be ridiculously exciting though as it would mean for sure we sign 4-5 players in 40-50m range. You obviously don't have that sort of money and sign 10 players for 20m as a) we don't need that many and b) the stockpiling would be ridiculous in the squad unless we're selling 10 which won't happen.

All in all will be a very interesting summer that will shape our next five years whatever we spend.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)





Not sure on that, Everton spend 500m since 2016 and they could well finish 10th now.

It's not as simple, the 250m might include Jack leaving for 100m + (let's hope not) so that will reset expectations given that sort of strategy didn't work out that well in summer 2015.

I think it's more likely 100m budget given we spent 80m last summer and whatever we raise in sales so potentially another 20-30m.

250m warchest would be ridiculously exciting though as it would mean for sure we sign 4-5 players in 40-50m range. You obviously don't have that sort of money and sign 10 players for 20m as a) we don't need that many and b) the stockpiling would be ridiculous in the squad unless we're selling 10 which won't happen.

All in all will be a very interesting summer that will shape our next five years whatever we spend.

Everton are a great example, that spend plus a full on, Grade A, hugely successful manager and they don't look any better than us.
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Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2021, 01:07:35 PM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)





Not sure on that, Everton spend 500m since 2016 and they could well finish 10th now.

It's not as simple, the 250m might include Jack leaving for 100m + (let's hope not) so that will reset expectations given that sort of strategy didn't work out that well in summer 2015.

I think it's more likely 100m budget given we spent 80m last summer and whatever we raise in sales so potentially another 20-30m.

250m warchest would be ridiculously exciting though as it would mean for sure we sign 4-5 players in 40-50m range. You obviously don't have that sort of money and sign 10 players for 20m as a) we don't need that many and b) the stockpiling would be ridiculous in the squad unless we're selling 10 which won't happen.

All in all will be a very interesting summer that will shape our next five years whatever we spend.

The bold bit isn't quite right. Yes we sold our best player(s) and used the money to buy half a squad but the issue was that we spent the money really poorly and looked and felt very much like 2 people fighting over who was in charge of the budget.
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Post by: aev on May 17, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
Where have these 250m numbers come from ?
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 01:15:58 PM
I'd bet my left bollock we won't be spending £240m.  Or anywhere near it.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 17, 2021, 01:19:50 PM
if we spend that amount - the pressure on Dean will be enormous (the owners and supporters will expect us to be in the top 4, and in truth there can be no excuses).

If you look at the current team even the players who are currently considered to be irreplaceable will be thinking I hope that they are not looking at my position in the team to improve!

It looks as though it is going to be an interesting Summer (Dean may need to win 1 of the 2 last games of the season, to ensure that the owners think he is the manager to trust with this amount of money with to spend)





Not sure on that, Everton spend 500m since 2016 and they could well finish 10th now.

It's not as simple, the 250m might include Jack leaving for 100m + (let's hope not) so that will reset expectations given that sort of strategy didn't work out that well in summer 2015.

I think it's more likely 100m budget given we spent 80m last summer and whatever we raise in sales so potentially another 20-30m.

250m warchest would be ridiculously exciting though as it would mean for sure we sign 4-5 players in 40-50m range. You obviously don't have that sort of money and sign 10 players for 20m as a) we don't need that many and b) the stockpiling would be ridiculous in the squad unless we're selling 10 which won't happen.

All in all will be a very interesting summer that will shape our next five years whatever we spend.

The bold bit isn't quite right. Yes we sold our best player(s) and used the money to buy half a squad but the issue was that we spent the money really poorly and looked and felt very much like 2 people fighting over who was in charge of the budget.

Likes of Amavi would've looked so much better hitting inch perfect crosses for Benteke than Gestede and Delph-Gana would've been a nice midfield combination.

We signed some good players in summer 2015, just the wrong time. Previous summer would've been better to target that type of player but instead we got in Senderos, Cissokho, Richardson, Carlos Sanchez....

I wouldn't be against that strategy again given financial issues in french league currently, just make sure we don't sell Grealish and Watkins for 200m at end of the summer.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 01:38:25 PM
If we were going to spend £240m (we're not) Brentfords owners eyes would certainly be lighting up.

Edit - I see CDBully beat me to it.
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Post by: Monty on May 17, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
One reason I hope Brentford get promoted is so it finally forces us to look elsewhere. I love Watkins, but that's probably enough no?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 17, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
One reason I hope Brentford get promoted is so it finally forces us to look elsewhere. I love Watkins, but that's probably enough no?

Rico Henry and Ivan Toney could easily be targets.

I agree with the general thought, bit boring just to sign their best player every transfer window.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 02:02:01 PM
Another academy 'starlet'
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/may/kyrie-pierre-aston-villa-move-academy/?fbclid=IwAR2B8Z8nsxEPoClfijwPz2xDV5zPhAPG5VoAdSkew3xsA8ncRxHNaTvm-kk#.YKJW6t0Kl7E.facebook
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 02:05:28 PM
Another academy 'starlet'
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/may/kyrie-pierre-aston-villa-move-academy/?fbclid=IwAR2B8Z8nsxEPoClfijwPz2xDV5zPhAPG5VoAdSkew3xsA8ncRxHNaTvm-kk#.YKJW6t0Kl7E.facebook

I just love the way we're regarded in these deals. Every time we seem to take on a player the selling club seem really positive about the way in which we conduct ourselves.
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Post by: Risso on May 17, 2021, 02:06:04 PM
Another academy 'starlet'
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2021/may/kyrie-pierre-aston-villa-move-academy/?fbclid=IwAR2B8Z8nsxEPoClfijwPz2xDV5zPhAPG5VoAdSkew3xsA8ncRxHNaTvm-kk#.YKJW6t0Kl7E.facebook

Kyrie Pierre where I'm going will you follow?
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Post by: Baldy on May 17, 2021, 02:06:33 PM
Starting eleven first match next season:

                      Martinez

Cash     Mings               Konsa       Targett

Foden     De Bruyne   Fernandez     Grealish

            Salah                Watkins

Bloody easy this football lark.  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 02:07:30 PM
Starting eleven first match next season:

                      Martinez

Cash     Mings               Konsa       Targett

Foden     De Bruyne   Fernandez     Grealish

            Salah                Watkins

Bloody easy this football lark.  :)

Salah? Will Kane be injured?
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2021, 02:08:26 PM
I think that midfield is too lightweight  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 02:27:11 PM
Starting eleven first match next season:

                      Martinez

Cash     Mings               Konsa       Targett

Foden     De Bruyne   Fernandez     Grealish

            Salah                Watkins

Bloody easy this football lark.  :)
I'd probbaly start Dias over Mings and either Rice or Fenandino with Fernandes on the bench.  Good to have depth though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2021, 02:31:06 PM
Likes of Amavi would've looked so much better hitting inch perfect crosses for Benteke than Gestede and Delph-Gana would've been a nice midfield combination.

We signed some good players in summer 2015, just the wrong time. Previous summer would've been better to target that type of player but instead we got in Senderos, Cissokho, Richardson, Carlos Sanchez....

I wouldn't be against that strategy again given financial issues in french league currently, just make sure we don't sell Grealish and Watkins for 200m at end of the summer.

Most of the french signings were fine, it was the UK signings (Richards, Lescott, Sinclair, Gestede) who failed almost completely. Add to that a few hopeful punts, a signing that was clearly a long way from ready (Adama) and a manager with no experience at anything other than end of season caretaker and we were a complete mess.

Selling a player for top money isn't a fundamentally bad idea, Leicester and Spurs have both sold a star player or 2 and improved by using the money well in the last 10 years and Southampton have made it their entire business model.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 02:36:00 PM
I think that midfield is too lightweight  ;D ;D ;D

I was thinking that. Sign Kante too and stick him in for Fernandes. The latter will be no use at a team that doesn't get penalties every week, any way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2021, 02:38:24 PM
Starting eleven first match next season:

                      Martinez

Cash     Mings               Konsa       Targett

Foden     De Bruyne   Fernandez     Grealish

            Salah                Watkins

Bloody easy this football lark.  :)
If we are seriously in this space, I'd target Declan Rice and /or Kalvin Phillips.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 02:40:09 PM
The only thing I'd targett Phillips with is a pair of bleeding scissors.
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Post by: Dave P on May 17, 2021, 02:43:19 PM
Starting eleven first match next season:

                      Martinez

Cash     Mings               Konsa       Targett

Foden     De Bruyne   Fernandez     Grealish

            Salah                Watkins

Bloody easy this football lark.  :)

Salah? Will Kane be injured?

Yeah.  Him and Mbappe will miss the first few weeks
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Post by: oldtimernow on May 17, 2021, 02:48:32 PM
Where have these 250m numbers come from ?

5x50m or 4x60m players,

we need 4-5 real prospects to be serious contenders
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Post by: martyn ellis on May 17, 2021, 02:50:29 PM
If anyone watched the Under 18s against Albion the other night, there were a number of standout performances, mainly Louie Barry and Carney Chukwuemeka, the latter already on our bench and looks just the sort of powerful and skilful midfield player with the right attitude to come through over the next couple of seasons. There were others too who I liked the look of. Some real talent coming through.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2021, 02:57:38 PM
Could we break the bank for Bellingham?  Don't know what it would take for Dortmund to sell him but a) he is the sort of player we need in midfield and b) well, they'd just spontaneously combust down the road wouldn't they?
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Post by: Stu on May 17, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
No way we're spending £260m this summer. I'll believe it when I see it. Even if it were to happen, all the players we bought would be out with long term injuries by Christmas.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 17, 2021, 03:05:43 PM
I would love us to buy Mahrez, Alli, Ward Prowse, Bissouma, Calvert Lewin - there is £250 mil

Would love a striker who can properly head a ball
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 17, 2021, 03:34:46 PM
£260m sounds believable to me, considering I was told £200m for four players.

Maybe we want five?
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Post by: dicedlam on May 17, 2021, 03:37:56 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that we may go in for Philippe Coutinho.

He ticks all the boxes.

 1) He would be a statement signing.
 2) He is one of Jack's favourite players.
 3) Can play either on the left or right or in the middle of the park.
 4) Speaks good English and would settle in quickly with the help of our other Brazilians.

He has been linked with Everton but I think he is exactly the type of a player we should also be looking to target. The only negative I can think of is his age(28) but I reckon he would still be good for a 4/5 year contract.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 17, 2021, 03:49:33 PM
Everton have all but signed him according to reports, weekly wage of 250k which is what he's on at Barca.

Think they're welcome to him as James Rodriguez had 5 brilliant games at start of the season and hardly been seen since on the pitch so he's very much their barkley at double the cost.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 03:50:54 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that we may go in for Philippe Coutinho.

He ticks all the boxes.

 1) He would be a statement signing.
 2) He is one of Jack's favourite players.
 3) Can play either on the left or right or in the middle of the park.
 4) Speaks good English and would settle in quickly with the help of our other Brazilians.

He has been linked with Everton but I think he is exactly the type of a player we should also be looking to target. The only negative I can think of is his age(28) but I reckon he would still be good for a 4/5 year contract.


I said that a few months ago, we could make it happen.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
£260m sounds believable to me, considering I was told £200m for four players.

Maybe we want five?

Christ, I hope you're right pal.
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 04:02:25 PM
£260m sounds believable to me, considering I was told £200m for four players.

Maybe we want five?

Christ, I hope you're right pal.

Maybe we're going for someone better and the cost has gone up...
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Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2021, 04:09:10 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that we may go in for Philippe Coutinho.

He ticks all the boxes.

 1) He would be a statement signing.
 2) He is one of Jack's favourite players.
 3) Can play either on the left or right or in the middle of the park.
 4) Speaks good English and would settle in quickly with the help of our other Brazilians.

He has been linked with Everton but I think he is exactly the type of a player we should also be looking to target. The only negative I can think of is his age(28) but I reckon he would still be good for a 4/5 year contract.


Don't see us being in the market for Coutinho.

But - looking at the last few Brazil squad call-ups-  Hertha Berlin forward Matheus Cunha, or midfielders Bruno Guimaraes or Lucas Paqueta at Lyon may be vaguely realistic and not already on killer wages.

All at the right age to improve further n'all.



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Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2021, 04:13:19 PM
£260m sounds believable to me, considering I was told £200m for four players.

Maybe we want five?

Christ, I hope you're right pal.

Maybe we're going for someone better and the cost has gone up...

Or it's Messi on a free and that's the cost of his 5-year contract?
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Post by: jwarry on May 17, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
Meanwhile back in the bargain basement..... https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1394307787321139200?s=21
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Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2021, 04:30:47 PM
I like Tammy.

But - in order of priority for the areas we really need - if there was a deal to be done for Callum Hudson Odoi I'd do that instead.

Plays left wing or right wing and still only 20 (!) Despite being linked with Bayern Munich for what seems like the last 15 years.

Played in the cup final but hasn't been a regular this season. Tuchel may rate him more than Lampard seemed to, but it's an area where Chelsea have an embarrassment of riches. And will probably sign another three or four wingers this summer just to make sure.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2021, 04:32:08 PM
Well who wants Tammy to come back here?
Well I think there is a strong possibility he could be persuaded to do so.
Chelsea is now over for him so expect him to be moving on this summer.
We all know he's the only Chelsea loanee we can trust.

The overseas players would be ones that recruitment look at from profiles  given.

But Dean would love Abraham as a player he works with and knows isn't any risk.
Interesting to see what materialises with Tammy



I think he will end up at West Ham
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Post by: Stu on May 17, 2021, 04:35:36 PM
Meanwhile back in the bargain basement..... https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1394307787321139200?s=21

That's more like it. We won't be signing established name players.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
Well who wants Tammy to come back here?
Well I think there is a strong possibility he could be persuaded to do so.
Chelsea is now over for him so expect him to be moving on this summer.
We all know he's the only Chelsea loanee we can trust.

The overseas players would be ones that recruitment look at from profiles  given.

But Dean would love Abraham as a player he works with and knows isn't any risk.
Interesting to see what materialises with Tammy



I think he will end up at West Ham

The manager of West Ham said and I quote on Tammy 40 million

"It would rule us out completely. We will be ruled out , So if that’s the figure and that’s what’s being said, we are ruled out.
We don’t have that money, we don’t have that to buy a striker at that price, no..."

Also I would be dispair if he seeing TA in claret and blue of those lot than our famous colours.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 04:53:46 PM
I also think Tammy is more likley to end up at West Ham.  If we'd had a better second half of the season it would have been much easier to attract top players.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2021, 04:58:23 PM
Well no as the manager said they couldn't afford the fee
So actually he would only be more likely here and if loan then I think maybe West Ham can have a chance but they don't have the money like Villa.

I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 04:59:29 PM
I bet West Ham end up about 15th next season, regardless of the business they do this summer.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2021, 05:02:17 PM
The other factor to consider is when Tammy came here on loan, he was motivated and fired up to prove himself to his parent club.

He seems a good sort, but coming here on a three to four year contract and suddenly thinking 'this is my level' might change the motivation somewhat. Hard to tell.

He was also playing one league down when he had that successful stint with us. And still looked like Bambi on Ice at times even at that standard.  I wouldn't be against the move, but think we need good cover for Ollie. Rather than a £40 million + striker who will expect to start every game.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 05:09:33 PM
Let's just get the best player we can rather than worrying about "cover". Let the players have to battle for their place rather than being assured of it. It would also be nice to be able to bring someone off the bench that genuinely frightens the opposition, something we virtually never have. (Grealish coming off the bench while he recovers from injury doesn't count).
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 17, 2021, 05:30:16 PM
If there was a deal to be done for Callum Hudson Odoi I'd do that instead.

Of course, our customary fringe Chelsea midfielder signing. It's like we haven't learned anything from Drinkwater and Barkley.

No doubts the usual "We should sign Ruben Loftus-Cheek" suggestions will start to fire up soon.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
If there was a deal to be done for Callum Hudson Odoi I'd do that instead.

Of course, our customary fringe Chelsea midfielder signing. It's like we haven't learned anything from Drinkwater and Barkley.

No doubts the usual "We should sign Ruben Loftus-Cheek" suggestions will start to fire up soon.

The only thing linking the three is their parent club. Why would we not look at the 20 year old Hudson Odei because of the other two loans? They're different players at different ends of their career.

Ruling players out because someone else you bought off them was shite is just stupid. If you use that logic we'd have never have signed Watkins.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 05:39:55 PM
Well no as the manager said they couldn't afford the fee
So actually he would only be more likely here and if loan then I think maybe West Ham can have a chance but they don't have the money like Villa.

I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee
Moyes is being coy and trying to talk the fee down.  Don't take it literally.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 17, 2021, 05:42:48 PM
That cdbwf, him there, he gets it. Improve your squad by bettering the current player in the shirt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 17, 2021, 06:50:38 PM
If there was a deal to be done for Callum Hudson Odoi I'd do that instead.

Of course, our customary fringe Chelsea midfielder signing. It's like we haven't learned anything from Drinkwater and Barkley.

No doubts the usual "We should sign Ruben Loftus-Cheek" suggestions will start to fire up soon.

The only thing linking the three is their parent club. Why would we not look at the 20 year old Hudson Odei because of the other two loans? They're different players at different ends of their career.

Ruling players out because someone else you bought off them was shite is just stupid. If you use that logic we'd have never have signed Watkins.

Watkins signed for us because we could guarantee him a starting place and he knew Smith. He would have went to Spurs or Leeds otherwise. He said it himself the other day.

Callum Hudson-Odoi isn't an upgrade on any of our currently fit wide players. Not to mention he is constantly caught offside. Maybe in a few seasons yes, but he's not what we need right now.

He's so good that he's played 90 minutes twice in the league all season (one was against us). Yeah, no thanks!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 17, 2021, 06:53:13 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that we may go in for Philippe Coutinho.

He ticks all the boxes.

 1) He would be a statement signing.
 2) He is one of Jack's favourite players.
 3) Can play either on the left or right or in the middle of the park.
 4) Speaks good English and would settle in quickly with the help of our other Brazilians.

He has been linked with Everton but I think he is exactly the type of a player we should also be looking to target. The only negative I can think of is his age(28) but I reckon he would still be good for a 4/5 year contract.


I said that a few months ago, we could make it happen.

Pedro Goncalves from Sporting would be a much better fit for the team than injury prone £250k-a-week Coutinho.

I even like their striker Paulinho who they just signed in January from Braga. Aerially, he's a beast. He also does that penalty hop / skip Fernandes does which infuriates opposition players.

Portuguese players just move differently. We would definitely benefit having a couple of them in the squad next season.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 17, 2021, 07:05:40 PM
Given Villa managed to sign the only Spaniard who couldn't pass in Carlos Cuellar, I wouldn't be so sure we'd be brilliant raiding Portugal's stockroom.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
How quickly you forget Fernando Nélson. :(
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 07:13:38 PM
You'd have to completely mental to refuse to sign a player because you didn't rate a completely different player we acquired from the same club.

Djemba-Djemba wasn't very good, assume Paul McGrath must have been shite.
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Post by: dave shelley on May 17, 2021, 07:20:14 PM
How quickly you forget Tony Moon.  Gone and forgotten.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 17, 2021, 07:29:11 PM
You'd have to completely mental to refuse to sign a player because you didn't rate a completely different player we acquired from the same club.

Djemba-Djemba wasn't very good, assume Paul McGrath must have been shite.

Quit trying to bend what I'm saying. I basically said we should stay well clear from signing Chelsea's FRINGE midfielders. You know the one's who don't play regularly for their own club.

Let's make an enquiry about signing Mount and see how long the conversation lasts?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 07:31:55 PM
It's still bollocks however you phrase it. The performance of Ross Barkley has no relevance to how well another Chelsea player might play for us. "Fringe" or otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 17, 2021, 07:35:14 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.

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Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2021, 07:39:16 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.



If we have that kind of money, I actually think I'd be disappointed with signing the likes of Abraham and Tuanzebe!  Spoilt or what?
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Post by: algy on May 17, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.
You reckon we’re set for a £301m+ summer?

The Villa are back in town.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2021, 07:44:47 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.



If there's a Mrs Smirker it would be churlish to deny her the opportunity to do so!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2021, 07:46:48 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.

It's an unusual way of celebrating, but each to their own.
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Post by: CT on May 17, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
Harry Kane might be available....
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2021, 07:59:40 PM
Harry Kane might be available....

I can just imagine trying to sell that to him. "After having been showered with medals these last few years at Spurs, Harry, we have a long-term project to offer you..."
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 08:00:31 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.

If there's a Mrs Smirker it would be churlish to deny her the opportunity to do so!

 ;D
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Harry Kane might be available....

No thanks, too injury prone (and dull).
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Post by: Villa Lew on May 17, 2021, 08:15:42 PM
Harry Kane might be available....
Just heard that, I'd have him, they can have Traore, El Ghazi and Davis plus £10m in exchange.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2021, 08:23:14 PM
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee

If we spend within £50m either side of that this summer, I'll cut my own cock off.



can’t we just have a sportsman’s bet 😳🙁?
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Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2021, 08:35:26 PM
Well no as the manager said they couldn't afford the fee
So actually he would only be more likely here and if loan then I think maybe West Ham can have a chance but they don't have the money like Villa.
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee
Moyes is being coy and trying to talk the fee down.  Don't take it literally.
And the Spammers paid out £40m for Haller, so they do know how to splash the cash.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2021, 08:36:08 PM
It would be a bonkers budget for a team not yet in Europe.

Europe? We're planning on playing in the GSL. Galactic Super League. Not with poxy broke teams like Juventus or Barcelona.
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Post by: Richard E on May 17, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
It would be a bonkers budget for a team not yet in Europe.

Europe? We're planning on playing in the GSL. Galactic Super League. Not with poxy broke teams like Juventus or Barcelona.

Pluto away would still be warmer than Oldham or Notts County.
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Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2021, 08:51:23 PM
Where’s the £250m figure come from?
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Post by: Ian. on May 17, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
Where’s the £250m figure come from?
Barry from Twitter I reckon.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
Well no as the manager said they couldn't afford the fee
So actually he would only be more likely here and if loan then I think maybe West Ham can have a chance but they don't have the money like Villa.
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee
Moyes is being coy and trying to talk the fee down.  Don't take it literally.
And the Spammers paid out £40m for Haller, so they do know how to splash the cash.

Badly.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 09:11:49 PM
Where’s the £250m figure come from?

Please pay attention, it's £260m.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 09:17:30 PM
Where’s the £250m figure come from?

Please pay attention, it's £260m.

Is it a 'Doug' £260m though? You know, including the players wages whilst they're with us, their signing on fees, transport costs, any coffees, lunches at training and the letters that have to go on their shirts?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2021, 09:21:07 PM
Where’s the £250m figure come from?

Please pay attention, it's £260m.

Is it a 'Doug' £260m though? You know, including the players wages whilst they're with us, their signing on fees, transport costs, any coffees, lunches at training and the letters that have to go on their shirts?

Also would include players already at the club who haven’t played in a while. So if Doug was in charge; Jack would be part of that number, Wesley, Engels and Trez would be valued. Along with anyone who was like a son to him.
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Post by: exigo on May 17, 2021, 09:22:11 PM
We need to sign Onomah back, just so we can offer Spurs him and £3m for Harry Kane.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 10:19:55 PM
It would be a shame if everything fell apart for Spurs, after spunking a fortune on a stadium that will be half full in a couple of years when they're back to being shite.

A real shame.
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Post by: Richard E on May 17, 2021, 10:21:44 PM
It would be a shame if everything fell apart for Spurs, after spunking a fortune on a stadium that will be half full in a couple of years when they're back to being shite.

A real shame.

Yes, it would be terrible if they went back to never winning trophies. Oh.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2021, 10:22:33 PM
I just can’t believe in a world we are discussing fantasy transfers and a fantasy transfer budget there’s people turning their nose up at Harry Kane
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2021, 10:22:49 PM
It would be a shame if everything fell apart for Spurs, after spunking a fortune on a stadium that will be half full in a couple of years when they're back to being shite.

A real shame.

with them having to keep Mason as manager, appoint Tim Sherwood or Christian Gross again.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2021, 10:26:34 PM
I just can’t believe in a world we are discussing fantasy transfers and a fantasy transfer budget there’s people turning their nose up at Harry Kane

Beyoncé? I'm afraid it's a no from me, too fat thick for my tastes.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 17, 2021, 10:34:49 PM
Harry Kane might be available....

No thanks, too injury prone (and dull).

And he's a cheating bastard to boot.  Imagine the number of penalties ManYoo will get if he ends up there, the rest of us might as well give up.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2021, 10:42:30 PM
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Harry Kane might be available....

No thanks, too injury prone (and dull).

And he's a cheating bastard to boot.  Imagine the number of penalties ManYoo will get if he ends up there, the rest of us might as well give up.

Talksport reporting that he wants to go to Manchester City.  Tuned in to try and get the play off scores and that twerp Andy Goldstein was on, so it was a short lived experience.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2021, 10:44:19 PM
The thing with Harry Kane is nobody here should be laughing. That may very well be us next season with Jack unless we win something or show serious ambition in the market this summer and make real progress again in the league next season.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2021, 10:49:26 PM
The thing with Harry Kane is nobody here should be laughing. That may very well be us next season with Jack unless we win something or show serious ambition in the market this summer and make real progress again in the league next season.

I think we know and accept that it definitely will be the case. One ought never to pass up the opportunity to revel in the misfortune of others, particularly Spurs.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2021, 10:55:29 PM
The thing with Harry Kane is nobody here should be laughing. That may very well be us next season with Jack unless we win something or show serious ambition in the market this summer and make real progress again in the league next season.

I think we know and accept that it definitely will be the case. One ought never to pass up the opportunity to revel in the misfortune of others, particularly Spurs.

No I entirely agree with you as a general rule. It was more specifically them losing their best player. But as you were.
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Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 12:36:46 AM
I think £10m and Neil Taylor should seal a deal for Kane.
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Post by: algy on May 18, 2021, 06:45:10 AM
Really hoping Jack's done his tapping up job when he's been on England duty, we become to Tottingham what Middlesbrough were us in the late 90s, and Kane & Son both leave them "to win more trophies" and end up lining up for the Villa.  But with the key difference that we actually win trophies.
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Post by: Villafirst on May 18, 2021, 07:59:48 AM
I'd really like to see Pereira signed from the Baggies. 10 goals in a struggling team is impressive. Imagine him and Jack....?
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Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2021, 08:52:14 AM
a bit too facile for me that link
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Post by: sid1964 on May 18, 2021, 09:03:17 AM
Considering the likes of City / Utd / Chelsea have no money they are all willing to pay £120 million for Kane

Pereira watched him twice and not impressed, maybe just a decent player in a poor team, hopefully we are looking at other players.
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Post by: Mister E on May 18, 2021, 09:06:31 AM
Well no as the manager said they couldn't afford the fee
So actually he would only be more likely here and if loan then I think maybe West Ham can have a chance but they don't have the money like Villa.
I read we have a £250mil war chest which is delightful.
I don't see West Ham with same financials and Moyes has said can't afford the fee
Moyes is being coy and trying to talk the fee down.  Don't take it literally.
And the Spammers paid out £40m for Haller, so they do know how to splash the cash.
Badly.
True, but will it stop them from pushing the boat out again? - probably not.
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Post by: dicedlam on May 18, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
I can't see Kane going to Man City. Guardiola seems to prefer playing with a false nine.
I know Kane has been playing more of a deep role for Spurs this season but he still thrives on crosses into the box, which is not Pep's way. I think both him and Tuchel for that matter believe having a central figure/target is outdated in modern day football and I do too.

I can see him going to Man United though.
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Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2021, 09:31:03 AM
I can't see Kane going to Man City. Guardiola seems to prefer playing with a false nine.
I know Kane has been playing more of a deep role for Spurs this season but he still thrives on crosses into the box, which is not Pep's way. I think both him and Tuchel for that matter believe having a central figure/target is outdated in modern day football and I do too.

I can see him going to Man United though.

I reckon he'll end up at PSG with his old boss.
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Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2021, 10:02:02 AM
I can't see Kane going to Man City. Guardiola seems to prefer playing with a false nine.
I know Kane has been playing more of a deep role for Spurs this season but he still thrives on crosses into the box, which is not Pep's way. I think both him and Tuchel for that matter believe having a central figure/target is outdated in modern day football and I do too.

I can see him going to Man United though.

Yep, Man Utd seems the obvious link because their manager is much more traditional in how he uses his attack, none of the other likely English clubs would suit him. PSG is a good call by LeeB as well and I could see Real being interested even though they clearly can't afford him.
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Post by: dicedlam on May 18, 2021, 10:33:47 AM
I can't see Kane going to Man City. Guardiola seems to prefer playing with a false nine.
I know Kane has been playing more of a deep role for Spurs this season but he still thrives on crosses into the box, which is not Pep's way. I think both him and Tuchel for that matter believe having a central figure/target is outdated in modern day football and I do too.

I can see him going to Man United though.

Yep, Man Utd seems the obvious link because their manager is much more traditional in how he uses his attack, none of the other likely English clubs would suit him. PSG is a good call by LeeB as well and I could see Real being interested even though they clearly can't afford him.

Yeah, the PSG link by LeeB is a good call. Gets on well with Pochettino and he would score a shed load of goals in that league. Maybe Icardi goes in the other direction?
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Post by: curiousorange on May 18, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
I can't see Kane in Paris. Although it would benefit the England side immensely for its better players to play for top clubs in different leagues, Kane doesn't strike me as anything but a Premier League stalwart. It'd be like Shearer suddenly upping sticks to Bayern Munich.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2021, 10:53:51 AM
I can't see Kane in Paris.

I don't know, he's always struck me as a bit gauche.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
Weren't Franco's White Shirts were interested in Kane?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 18, 2021, 11:24:53 AM
I can't see Kane in Paris.

He struggles with English.

So good luck trying to speak French there.
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Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 11:35:58 AM
Kane's said he wants to stay in the Premier League I think. Chelsea might have him, which means he wouldn't have to move home.
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Post by: OCD on May 18, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
My bet would be that he (Kane) already knows where he's going and there's already been talks between the club and the agent.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
Weren't Franco's White Shirts were interested in Kane?

Heard something on the radio the other day saying they were the frontrunners to sign Haaland.
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Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
My bet would be that he (Kane) already knows where he's going and there's already been talks between the club and the agent.

True, but occasionally you get a player demand a move that unfortunately doesn't transpire, and then you end up looking a twat when you move to Middlesborough.
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Post by: Gareth on May 18, 2021, 12:32:24 PM
If Kane goes to Man City might as well give them next years title too :-) upgrading Gabriel Jesus who IMHO wouldn’t get 10 goals in any team below top 6 to Kane who would comfortably get 25 if his glass ankles hold up would be a huge upgrade!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2021, 12:35:11 PM
I can't see Kane going to Man City. Guardiola seems to prefer playing with a false nine.
I know Kane has been playing more of a deep role for Spurs this season but he still thrives on crosses into the box, which is not Pep's way. I think both him and Tuchel for that matter believe having a central figure/target is outdated in modern day football and I do too.

I can see him going to Man United though.

I think he would be ideal for Manchester City to be honest, especially as he has tended to play a bit deeper in recent years.  I think that is where he will end up.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 18, 2021, 12:36:34 PM
Looks poor value to me when you think Spurs will screw every penny out of a buying club when he has 3 years left on his contract. I just can't see anyone paying 120m for him and half that for his wages when he's 28 in 2 months. Unless the buying clubs are that confident of a return to a pre-COVID financial conditions.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2021, 12:55:50 PM
Looks poor value to me when you think Spurs will screw every penny out of a buying club when he has 3 years left on his contract. I just can't see anyone paying 120m for him and half that for his wages when he's 28 in 2 months. Unless the buying clubs are that confident of a return to a pre-COVID financial conditions.

I think that's a good point.  Must be honest though, I don't quite see Levy in the same way as others.  I don't quite get the astute businessman that others see to be honest.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2021, 12:59:05 PM
Looks poor value to me when you think Spurs will screw every penny out of a buying club when he has 3 years left on his contract. I just can't see anyone paying 120m for him and half that for his wages when he's 28 in 2 months. Unless the buying clubs are that confident of a return to a pre-COVID financial conditions.

I think that's a good point.  Must be honest though, I don't quite see Levy in the same way as others.  I don't quite get the astute businessman that others see to be honest.

On here I think it's part-pisstake and as someone else said, out in the wider world there's a disturbing taint of anti-Semitism.
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Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2021, 01:10:26 PM
Levy's reputation seems almost entirely based on him squeezing Real Madrid when they signed Bale. Take that single deal away and his transfer record isn't all that special and in reality they've missed out on a number of players than might have made the difference to them winning a trophy because he was playing hard ball and clubs called his bluff.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 18, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
Dunno. I sort of see spurs as a team who sell well and buy crap
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Post by: Axl Rose on May 18, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
My bet would be that he (Kane) already knows where he's going and there's already been talks between the club and the agent.

True, but occasionally you get a player demand a move that unfortunately doesn't transpire, and then you end up looking a twat when you move to Middlesborough.


This made me chuckle. Damn right, aswell.
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Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2021, 01:20:29 PM
Dunno. I sort of see spurs as a team who sell well and buy crap

There aren't many players they've sold in the last 10years where the fee looks massively over the top though. Sales of players who've come through their youth system have been decent, £12m for Walker-Peters last summer for example, but selling on their signings has been at a loss more often than not for years.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 18, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
I can see Kane going he want's to win things I doubt he will win the league the Spurs.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 18, 2021, 01:53:55 PM
To be honest there are only 4 teams that can win the league (City, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool) the rest of the clubs are fighting for the scraps of either survival or the Europa league - occasionally there is a different team in the top 4 but not often

He will in my opinion go to City.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 18, 2021, 01:55:48 PM
I think he will replace Salah at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'

I also think Rogers will become Sperms Manager - which i think will be a mistake for him
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Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
I think he will replace Salah at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'

I also think Rogers will become Sperms Manager - which i think will be a mistake for him

And for them hopefully.
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Post by: Monty on May 18, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
I don't think Rodgers has worked this hard to get Leicester into the Champions League, only to walk off to a club outside the CL who are about to lose their best player.
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Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 02:13:30 PM
I don't think Rodgers has worked this hard to get Leicester into the Champions League, only to walk off to a club outside the CL who are about to lose their best player.

Quite.

Similar with Kane. Having thought about it, it's one of the Manchester clubs. Liverpool and Chelsea still aren't guaranteed Chumps League so he'd be daft nailing his colours to the mast without a guarantee.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 18, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Levy's reputation seems almost entirely based on him squeezing Real Madrid when they signed Bale. Take that single deal away and his transfer record isn't all that special and in reality they've missed out on a number of players than might have made the difference to them winning a trophy because he was playing hard ball and clubs called his bluff.

Depends what prism you judge it on really.

Read the other day Spurs haven't finished below the top 6 since 2009, checked it....and it's true. They could still finish 6th this season if they beat us and West Ham lose.

We were miles clear of Spurs in the 90s and they were up and down aswell in the 2000s so I'd say that's a pretty impressive level of consistancy from them considering they haven't been spending huge amounts compared to others they've been trying to finish above since that time. And of course we had the tedious arguments about them having a cheaper wage bill than us in the 08-10 period when we were seriously giving it a go under Lerner.

How have they done it as we'd all settled for that sort of consistancy in next 10 years under NSWE. Top 6 for three years running under MON was exciting enough even if cracks were appearing below the surface.

Now they're on the way down and I think we've got a good chance of finishing above them next season. However last time it happened after selling Bale and they had a poor following season (ending with Sherwood in charge) they made probably one of the best managerial appoimtments in last 10 years so again that's something I'd like to see from our owners whenever the time comes in the future as we should be seen as attractive option.
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Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
I don't think Rodgers has worked this hard to get Leicester into the Champions League, only to walk off to a club outside the CL who are about to lose their best player.

This is Brendan Rodgers though, a man who if he were made of chocolate, would heat himself gently and spread himself upon himself to enjoy erotically.

The lure of the media darlings would be strong, I think.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 18, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
They'll go for Potter type appointment imo.

Scott Parker would be hilarious though, he'd last about 3 months. Or the 12 year old they've got in charge now.
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Post by: Monty on May 18, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
While that's true, I think he also liked the moral highground of the Super League affair, and would probably love the chance to do it again.
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Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
Levy's reputation seems almost entirely based on him squeezing Real Madrid when they signed Bale. Take that single deal away and his transfer record isn't all that special and in reality they've missed out on a number of players than might have made the difference to them winning a trophy because he was playing hard ball and clubs called his bluff.

Depends what prism you judge it on really.

Read the other day Spurs haven't finished below the top 6 since 2009, checked it....and it's true. They could still finish 6th this season if they beat us and West Ham lose.

We were miles clear of Spurs in the 90s and they were up and down aswell in the 2000s so I'd say that's a pretty impressive level of consistancy from them considering they haven't been spending huge amounts compared to others they've been trying to finish above since that time. And of course we had the tedious arguments about them having a cheaper wage bill than us in the 08-10 period when we were seriously giving it a go under Lerner.

How have they done it as we'd all settled for that sort of consistancy in next 10 years under NSWE. Top 6 for three years running under MON was exciting enough even if cracks were appearing below the surface.

Now they're on the way down and I think we've got a good chance of finishing above them next season. However last time it happened after selling Bale and they had a poor following season (ending with Sherwood in charge) they made probably one of the best managerial appoimtments in last 10 years so again that's something I'd like to see from our owners whenever the time comes in the future as we should be seen as attractive option.

I don't disagree with any of that but the point is that given their elevated status, commercial and geographical advantages and a series of decent managers they've stood still and that's in no small part because of some poor decision making by Levy which let them down in key transfer windows.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 18, 2021, 02:48:46 PM
Levy's reputation seems almost entirely based on him squeezing Real Madrid when they signed Bale. Take that single deal away and his transfer record isn't all that special and in reality they've missed out on a number of players than might have made the difference to them winning a trophy because he was playing hard ball and clubs called his bluff.

Depends what prism you judge it on really.

Read the other day Spurs haven't finished below the top 6 since 2009, checked it....and it's true. They could still finish 6th this season if they beat us and West Ham lose.

We were miles clear of Spurs in the 90s and they were up and down aswell in the 2000s so I'd say that's a pretty impressive level of consistancy from them considering they haven't been spending huge amounts compared to others they've been trying to finish above since that time. And of course we had the tedious arguments about them having a cheaper wage bill than us in the 08-10 period when we were seriously giving it a go under Lerner.

How have they done it as we'd all settled for that sort of consistancy in next 10 years under NSWE. Top 6 for three years running under MON was exciting enough even if cracks were appearing below the surface.

Now they're on the way down and I think we've got a good chance of finishing above them next season. However last time it happened after selling Bale and they had a poor following season (ending with Sherwood in charge) they made probably one of the best managerial appoimtments in last 10 years so again that's something I'd like to see from our owners whenever the time comes in the future as we should be seen as attractive option.

Spurs haven't done too bad really. Their problem has always been the mental expectations of their fans totally out of synch with reality or their place in it. At one point in the late 90's/early 00's every summer they'd be claiming this or that superstar was about to join them while the rest of us laughed at them.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
I don't think Rodgers has worked this hard to get Leicester into the Champions League, only to walk off to a club outside the CL who are about to lose their best player.

This is Brendan Rodgers though, a man who if he were made of chocolate, would heat himself gently and spread himself upon himself to enjoy erotically.

The lure of the media darlings would be strong, I think.

He does have that "if he were an ice-cream he'd lick himself" vibe.

Still think he's too smart to go to Spurz if Leicester get a CL spot.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
I can see Rodgers at Spurs or Arsenal but certainly not now. After next season is certainly a possibility. Fuck, if he's available and Deano isn't cutting it next year we should be in for him.

I see him as a 99 type of guy. Likes to chew on his own Flake and licks feverishly around the edges to stop his sauce from dripping on to his suit.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 18, 2021, 03:15:10 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rodgers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?
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Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 03:23:36 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rogers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?

Any other complaints?
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Post by: Monty on May 18, 2021, 03:26:00 PM
This is the level we're at, with Jack especially. Who goes where and for what money can knock-on with us.
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Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
I can see Rodgers at Spurs or Arsenal but certainly not now. After next season is certainly a possibility. Fuck, if he's available and Deano isn't cutting it next year we should be in for him.

I see him as a 99 type of guy. Likes to chew on his own Flake and licks feverishly around the edges to stop his sauce from dripping on to his suit.

I think he's a bit of a bellend but I'd have Rodgers, he knows how to coach a team and improve players, he made Scott Sinclair look  like Theirry Henry at one point.

I was however reading a very funny thread this morning on reddit regarding his habit of bullshitting whilst at Celtic, fairly trivial things but so much so that you'd wonder why you would do that.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 18, 2021, 04:29:36 PM
Levy's reputation seems almost entirely based on him squeezing Real Madrid when they signed Bale. Take that single deal away and his transfer record isn't all that special and in reality they've missed out on a number of players than might have made the difference to them winning a trophy because he was playing hard ball and clubs called his bluff.

Depends what prism you judge it on really.

Read the other day Spurs haven't finished below the top 6 since 2009, checked it....and it's true. They could still finish 6th this season if they beat us and West Ham lose.

We were miles clear of Spurs in the 90s and they were up and down aswell in the 2000s so I'd say that's a pretty impressive level of consistancy from them considering they haven't been spending huge amounts compared to others they've been trying to finish above since that time. And of course we had the tedious arguments about them having a cheaper wage bill than us in the 08-10 period when we were seriously giving it a go under Lerner.

How have they done it as we'd all settled for that sort of consistancy in next 10 years under NSWE. Top 6 for three years running under MON was exciting enough even if cracks were appearing below the surface.

Now they're on the way down and I think we've got a good chance of finishing above them next season. However last time it happened after selling Bale and they had a poor following season (ending with Sherwood in charge) they made probably one of the best managerial appoimtments in last 10 years so again that's something I'd like to see from our owners whenever the time comes in the future as we should be seen as attractive option.

I don't disagree with any of that but the point is that given their elevated status, commercial and geographical advantages and a series of decent managers they've stood still and that's in no small part because of some poor decision making by Levy which let them down in key transfer windows.

They just reached their limit. I doubt any Spurs fans realistically thought they'd be reaching CL final regularly so like us in 1982 the other year would be as good as it got for a long long time.

They did though make the CL 4 seasons out of 5 and a bit years under Poch so that wasn't generally a bad period even if they obviously haven't won anything. Not too bad when they weren't spending 50m on fullbacks like their rivals (were finishing above some of those teams in those seasons aswell)

I think we'd all sign up for consistancy like that at some point over next twenty years and really NSWE era would be viewed big success.
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Post by: Villafirst on May 18, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rogers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?

Totally agree. I mentioned earlier Pereira signing for Villa would be a good signing. Thread is off-track
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2021, 07:07:17 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rogers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?

There's every chance that other clubs' transfer dealings and managerial appointments will impact on players we buy and sell, I'd have thought.

Still, if we are desperate to only allow discussion about who Villa might sign during the next transfer window then I'm struggling to see why you felt the urge to shoehorn Danny sodding Drinkwater into the thread.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2021, 07:20:44 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rogers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?

Totally agree. I mentioned earlier Pereira signing for Villa would be a good signing. Thread is off-track

I would definitely agree with that. He's far too good to be getting relegated with Albion.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2021, 07:25:14 PM
Relegated players from West fucking Brom? Is Doug Ellis in charge again?
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Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2021, 07:31:55 PM
I'd like us to be able to move the likes of McGinn and Luiz further forward by buying at least one proper ball winning defensive central midfielder so that we can rotate the likes of Jack, Sanson, SJM and Luiz in the number 10 role.  I think we'd get more out of both SJM and Douglas with playing them further forward. We probably need two of them but I would have one eye on young Chuck and wouldn't want to block his progress, although get there first and then let him take his chances with even better players around him?
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Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2021, 07:52:46 PM
Pereira is not a bad player at all. Where he comes from doesnt bother me in the slightest. They would want a fortune though.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2021, 08:01:56 PM
Pereira is not a bad player at all. Where he comes from doesnt bother me in the slightest. They would want a fortune though.

I’d have thought £25-30m range. Which isn’t unrealistic. I do wonder if he has some sort of clause in his contract that gets him out for a more reasonable fee.
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Post by: Ian. on May 18, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
Is this the new "other clubs' transfer thread?"

What does Arry' Kane, Levy, Brendan Rogers, Leicester and Potter have to do with our summer transfers?

Totally agree. I mentioned earlier Pereira signing for Villa would be a good signing. Thread is off-track

I would definitely agree with that. He's far too good to be getting relegated with Albion.
Me too. If we’d have been relegated last season on that basis nobody would have wanted to sign Jack.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 18, 2021, 09:48:28 PM
Pereira is the reason the Bitters weren't relegated in March. To quote Paul Calf, inside every bag of shite there's a spark of gold.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2021, 10:10:44 PM
Pereira is the reason the Bitters weren't relegated in March. To quote Paul Calf, inside every bag of shite there's a spark of gold.

It's probably just the wrapper from a Caramac, but it's there.
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Post by: Matt C on May 18, 2021, 10:21:49 PM
Is he that good? I’ve only seen him against us, tend not to watch the stripey filth otherwise .
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Post by: olaftab on May 18, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
Pereira could be an excellent addition to our team. He is good. 
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Post by: Ads on May 18, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
If we hadn't scored that 94th minutes winner against Watford, somebody would have bought Grealish, the best player in the league, off relegated Aston Villa.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 18, 2021, 10:37:33 PM
Is he that good? I’ve only seen him against us, tend not to watch the stripey filth otherwise .

11 goals 6 assists in a poor tesco team this season is very good. He caught my attention last season because he got 17 assists for them in the Championship.

He needs to do a lot more defensively though.
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Post by: Ads on May 18, 2021, 10:40:08 PM
Seems a better bet at 10 than Barkley.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2021, 10:52:26 PM
News men Huw Edwards or Tom Bradby are also better bets at 10.

Consistent. Regularly appearing. Good delivery. Add some nice touches. Respected.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 18, 2021, 11:52:14 PM
I like Pereira, but he isn't close to being my first choice midfielder signing. I prefer this unknown Brazilian called Claudinho who would be a bargain, he's a technical magician who has just finished the Brazilian season with 18 goals and 6 assists in 35 apps. New friend for Doug possibly?






These three additions would make us a frightening prospect for any team next season.

             Watkins
Grealish Claudinho Berardi
   Koopmeiners Luiz
Targett Mings Konsa Cash
             Martinez
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 18, 2021, 11:52:30 PM
From today’s Press Conference.  Interesting.

Smith has spent £260 million on transfers in his two Premier League campaigns, and said ahead of this summer: "I don't believe we have to do that much in the market this summer. With Jack coming out of the team we have lacked a little bit of creativity and that is something that we need to improve on.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 19, 2021, 01:11:27 AM
Well I want that Claudinho chap, I know we only saw the best parts but if we want sixty thousand at Villa Park then that is what they will want to come to see.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2021, 02:36:33 AM
He looks a very tidy player in a side that got promoted and had a solid first season in Brazil’s Serie A. I do wonder sometimes though about wingers and YouTube because just like Bert you could put a spectacular video of him in France and with us but we know there are things he doesn’t do well (yet) that never get picked up. He’s also not a full international so paperwork is more challenging to obtain.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2021, 02:44:56 AM
In terms of the DCM that I agree we need. There's a lad at Dortmund who could fit the bill. Bevington, Benningham, something like that. I don't know much about him but he's apparently come from absolutely nowhere.
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Post by: OzVilla on May 19, 2021, 04:04:22 AM
In terms of the DCM that I agree we need. There's a lad at Dortmund who could fit the bill. Bevington, Benningham, something like that. I don't know much about him but he's apparently come from absolutely nowhere.

It'd be worth it just to see the rags spontaneously combust.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 19, 2021, 04:14:13 AM
He looks a very tidy player in a side that got promoted and had a solid first season in Brazil’s Serie A. I do wonder sometimes though about wingers and YouTube because just like Bert you could put a spectacular video of him in France and with us but we know there are things he doesn’t do well (yet) that never get picked up. He’s also not a full international so paperwork is more challenging to obtain.

Very true, but as soon as we get a concrete link about a player we're in for someone will post an obligatory youtube video along with it, so you can't win either way.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 19, 2021, 06:45:17 AM
If we sign the guy from West Brom then I hope all on here who say he is good will not write him off after 6 games of next season

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Post by: algy on May 19, 2021, 07:32:04 AM
Daily Mail saying that we're after 25yr old Reims left back Ghislain Konan for £5.5m, with Southampton also trying to sign him.
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Post by: nigel on May 19, 2021, 07:34:04 AM
If we sign the guy from West Brom then I hope all on here who say he is good will not write him off after 6 games of next season

Which is as likely as the Sun rising in the morning and setting in the evening 😂
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Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2021, 07:38:30 AM
Pereira is quality. Much like Buendia last season, he has shown enough to think he will get stronger with better players around him. Think he makes a lot of sense, can play wide and at 10. A striker too, a cheapish fast winger and a big hard bloke with good feet in the midfield too please.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 19, 2021, 07:50:00 AM
From today’s Press Conference.  Interesting.

Smith has spent £260 million on transfers in his two Premier League campaigns, and said ahead of this summer: "I don't believe we have to do that much in the market this summer. With Jack coming out of the team we have lacked a little bit of creativity and that is something that we need to improve on.


yeah i'm not hopeful we're going to be spending a fortune this summer. Most of the squad are Smith's signings anyway so apart from replacing some of his dud's, and replacements for the old men, he can't really bring in half a team
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Post by: Mouse Potato on May 19, 2021, 08:27:57 AM
The simple fact is that we have to improve 4 or 5 of the first team in order to compete at the higher end of the league.  The owners have stated that is the target so how do they think it will happen, without spending money?  Unless they are content with mid-table, I'm pretty sure that money will be spent.
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Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Aston Villa have made contact with representatives of Bordeaux's Mehdi Zerkane, 21, having followed the Algeria winger closely for a number of months. (L'Equipe)
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Post by: algy on May 19, 2021, 09:27:40 AM
The simple fact is that we have to improve 4 or 5 of the first team in order to compete at the higher end of the league.  The owners have stated that is the target so how do they think it will happen, without spending money?  Unless they are content with mid-table, I'm pretty sure that money will be spent.
Depends on how much we're able to spend, though.  We're at a stage now where you're looking at £30m+ for improving the first team players, more in some position.

That's really the problem we're looking at - to progress, we're going to have to spend exponentially more per player.  If we bring in 4 or 5 new players every year, we're going to end up with a squad full of £20m players.  Which is fine, but we already pretty much have that -- we're not going to move forward.  Probably half the reason MON had a ceiling - he kept trying to spread money around bringing in too many players, and ended up with a perpetual circle of like-for-like replacements.

For me, we have a decent, mid-table squad now.  We need to start looking at what players we need to break in to the top 4/top 6, which is going to either be buying £40m+ players, or getting 21/22 year olds and slowly integrating them with the first team.  I think I'd go for a bit of both -- spend big on a Barkley replacement, which is a more urgent need since we're crippled creatively without Jack.  Then look towards youngsters to bolster out the defensive backups since we'll definitely lose Taylor & Elmo in the summer, and potentially Engels and Guilbert.
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 19, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.
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Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2021, 09:39:11 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.
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Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 09:55:38 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

I disagree, no one on here had suggested him as a possible signing before that game now his name comes up every few days.
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Post by: Smithy on May 19, 2021, 10:04:47 AM
From today’s Press Conference.  Interesting.

Smith has spent £260 million on transfers in his two Premier League campaigns, and said ahead of this summer: "I don't believe we have to do that much in the market this summer. With Jack coming out of the team we have lacked a little bit of creativity and that is something that we need to improve on.


yeah i'm not hopeful we're going to be spending a fortune this summer. Most of the squad are Smith's signings anyway so apart from replacing some of his dud's, and replacements for the old men, he can't really bring in half a team

Even going by Dean's comments, I can't imagine that doesn't include a player to step up when Jack's not on it, a replacement to cover for Trez and a replacement for Bakley.  That's three signings effectively to stay the same.

Add to that a dominating central midfielder and I'd be quite happy. I'd happier still with an extra forward and some cover at fullback, but those are squad positions rather than replacements for the current first 11, and I also don't see us signing 7 players.
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Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 10:12:41 AM
I could live with 3 if that's a dominant centre mid, a player who can play upfront and out wide and a young left back who can come in to compete with Targett over the next year or 2. If only the people we know are leaving go out then that would be enough to add depth to the squad in key areas. It's all about the quality though. Those first 2 need to be the very best players we can attract to the club in those positions, no half-measures.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
From today’s Press Conference.  Interesting.

Smith has spent £260 million on transfers in his two Premier League campaigns, and said ahead of this summer: "I don't believe we have to do that much in the market this summer. With Jack coming out of the team we have lacked a little bit of creativity and that is something that we need to improve on.

Let’s be honest if we’re planning to take the step forward we need to match Jack’s ambitions we’re going to need to make some moves in the market.
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Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2021, 10:21:57 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

I disagree, no one on here had suggested him as a possible signing before that game now his name comes up every few days.

Apart from two people on the same day this thread was started.
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 19, 2021, 10:23:39 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

Ok, let me be more specific. SOME Villa fans. Is that ok now?

You only have to look at the number of posts on here and Twitter about him, since we played them.
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Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2021, 10:28:52 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

Ok, let me be more specific. SOME Villa fans. Is that ok now?


Thats better, although it's still not true as he was suggested before we even played the return game against them. He's not that bad a player really. We could do better, but he's not to be sniffed at.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
Norwich already planning for life back in the Championship.

Their Sporting Director has said that Buendia and Aarons are available for the right price.
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Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 10:36:28 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

I disagree, no one on here had suggested him as a possible signing before that game now his name comes up every few days.

Apart from two people on the same day this thread was started.

Ok I was wrong saying no one, a few people mentioned him as a 'might be an option' sort of signing.

That's not what's happening now though, his name now comes up regularly and lots of the comments (more on places like facebook and twitter) are about how we'll have made a huge mistake if we don't sign him. How he played against us is absolutely behind that shift and it's something Villa fans have done for years.

Ellis made it his strategy for a while to sign someone who played well against us in a game in the spring because it was a easy way to gets fans excited.
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Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 10:37:50 AM
Norwich already planning for life back in the Championship.

Their Sporting Director has said that Buendia and Aarons are available for the right price.

I like Aarons, very good player. Not so sure about Buendia, bags of ability but he seemed a bit lightweight last time they were in the premier league and got bullied out of games the few times I watched them.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 19, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
I really like Aarons, but we don't need a RB.

Linked with Manure and Barcelona anyway.
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Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2021, 10:43:33 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.

I disagree, no one on here had suggested him as a possible signing before that game now his name comes up every few days.

Apart from two people on the same day this thread was started.

Ok I was wrong saying no one, a few people mentioned him as a 'might be an option' sort of signing.

That's not what's happening now though, his name now comes up regularly and lots of the comments (more on places like facebook and twitter) are about how we'll have made a huge mistake if we don't sign him. How he played against us is absolutely behind that shift and it's something Villa fans have done for years.

Ellis made it his strategy for a while to sign someone who played well against us in a game in the spring because it was a easy way to gets fans excited.

Didn't he also bag a hatrick against Chelsea and score a couple against Arsenal? I don't think the clamour for him is just off the back of one game against us. He's a talented player.
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Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2021, 11:13:51 AM
Lange needs to earn his coin. There just aren't a lot of players out there, that might be available, that are already the finished article. We need to spend big to improve as much as we'd like. Alternatively, be patient and buy younger players who have the potential to improve.

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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2021, 11:20:52 AM
You can't really buy younger players from abroad, any more.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2021, 11:37:47 AM
Buendia looks good but knowing our luck we buy him and he turns into Jota.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
Pereira only turned up for the last few weeks of the season, when it was too late. Prior to that he’d spent most of the season sulking, doing fuck all on the pitch and not always getting in the starting 11 of a shit Albion team. Sounds a bit like another CNZ.

He admittedly played very well against us at VP so lots of Villa fans now want to sign him. I’d much rather we looked elsewhere.

A little bit simplistic to suggest Villa fans only think he would be a good signing because he played well in one game against us.
He was pretty dent in the Championship the season before.  In terms of him only turning up un the last few weeks of the season, he won't be the first or last player to take a while to acclimatize to the PL.  Fact is he has 11 goals and 6 assists in a very poor team.  I've no idea what his attitudes like but the recruitment team certainly look at that.  On the face of it he looks like an excellent player to me.  Whether we think he's c £30m excellent is another matter.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
My £260 million wish list:

Super amazing winger: £50 million
Super amazingly amazing winger: £150 million
Sexy and goaly striker: £50 million
Decent back up left back: £5 million
Promising youths: £4 million
Special chemicals that dye grass claret and blue as I think that would look pretty cool: £1 million.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2021, 12:45:55 PM
You can't really buy younger players from abroad, any more.

Raphinha only cost Leeds £17m from Rennes last summer. They wouldn't sell him now for 3 times that price. Lovely player who has adapted very quickly to the PL.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
My £260 million wish list:

Super amazing winger: £50 million
Super amazingly amazing winger: £150 million
Sexy and goaly striker: £50 million
Decent back up left back: £5 million
Promising youths: £4 million
Special chemicals that dye grass claret and blue as I think that would look pretty cool: £1 million.



Yes but what about the midfield !!!!???
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2021, 12:48:13 PM
You can't really buy younger players from abroad, any more.

Raphinha only cost Leeds £17m from Rennes last summer. They wouldn't sell him now for 3 times that price. Lovely player who has adapted very quickly to the PL.

Has Italian citizenship so was able to sign last summer, we wouldn't be able to sign a player like that now that we aren't in the EU in real terms anymore.

(Last summer we had left but the old rules still applied, they don't now).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
My £260 million wish list:

Super amazing winger: £50 million
Super amazingly amazing winger: £150 million
Sexy and goaly striker: £50 million
Decent back up left back: £5 million
Promising youths: £4 million
Special chemicals that dye grass claret and blue as I think that would look pretty cool: £1 million.

Yes but what about the midfield !!!!???

We have loads of them already, plus Chucky coming through. With world class wingers pushing the opposition back and creating gaps for our midfield to maraude into they'll be better.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 19, 2021, 12:54:52 PM


The absolute last thing we need this summer IMHO is more squad players.

No thanks.

We need 3 top class starters, for me CM, RW and another forward option. We are already well stocked with 'squad' players.

Starters need adding now, nothing else other than maybe snapping up a few youngsters who can go out on loan or even stay at their current clubs for another season
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Post by: OCD on May 19, 2021, 01:06:08 PM
Is spending £50m/£100m/£150m a time really the be and end all? What if we were able to pick up the next Messi's/Ronaldo's/De Bruyne's with very little known about them at a young age?
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2021, 01:14:24 PM
Liecester don't spend silly money and have picked up some excellent players, Catagne, Fofana, Tielemans, Maddison, Soyuncu, Justin, Pereira, Perez - all decent fees.  Ndidi was £17m.  It doesn't have to be £50m plus, you just need the right recruitment team.  I suspect this is the market we'll be shopping in this summer - £20-£40m type players
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Liecester don't spend silly money and have picked up some excellent players, Catagne, Fofana, Tielemans, Maddison, Soyuncu, Justin, Pereira, Perez - all decent fees.  Ndidi was £17m.  It doesn't have to be £50m plus, you just need the right recruitment team.  I suspect this is the market we'll be shopping in this summer - £20-£40m type players



Lets hope Robert Mackenzie gets the next kante or Mahrez then . I saw we was looking at some algerian who hasnt played much , so could be a mackenzie one thinking he could be mahrez :)
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Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2021, 01:33:42 PM
Liecester don't spend silly money and have picked up some excellent players, Catagne, Fofana, Tielemans, Maddison, Soyuncu, Justin, Pereira, Perez - all decent fees.  Ndidi was £17m.  It doesn't have to be £50m plus, you just need the right recruitment team.  I suspect this is the market we'll be shopping in this summer - £20-£40m type players

Perez wants shooting after that miss at the death last night.
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Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 03:24:35 PM
Is spending £50m/£100m/£150m a time really the be and end all? What if we were able to pick up the next Messi's/Ronaldo's/De Bruyne's with very little known about them at a young age?

That's the plan long term but 3-4 seasons of spending big to get ourselves back into the top half consistently gives us the time for players in the U16 and U18 teams time to come through and seeing players like Ramsey, Chuk, etc getting in and around the senior squad as 18-19 year olds makes signing the best 10-15year olds easier. Show them they're joining a team that's going places and planning to get their by being the best at using their academy.

Long term I'd rather we spent £15-20m every summer on youth players than signing players for the first team because I think that is the right thing to do to make the club a long term success.
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Post by: Mister E on May 19, 2021, 03:30:11 PM
Buendia looks good but knowing our luck we buy him and he turns into Jota.
Buendia and Pereira would be excellent business, based on their goals-scored and assists stats. Each would be a great foil for JG.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2021, 08:22:18 PM
Tonight's game was a great way to really look at what we need going forward.  A more physical and upgrade of Marvellous Nakamba/Douglas Luiz, a left winger to replace El Ghazi, turning him into what he is, which is a squad player, much like Traore.  This will allow Jack to either play out on the left/right when we feel like it, or he can return to the number 10 role.  Gives us the option of playing Douglas further forward too.  He used the ball well tonight.

So for me, winger, number 10 and a defensive midfielder please Dean.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 19, 2021, 09:19:44 PM
So dream window for me would be

Tammy back 100% would fit this team and allow us to play a fluid formation with 2 up front at times and 433 at others with ollie rotating to the wings. I think this is a high 8 out of 10 to happen.

I want a gamble like Luis for cm but not as a starter so a cheap punt for a squad player and someone like Renato Sanchez as the starter he's finally come good and looks world class.

For a winger I would like a nibble at giovanni Reyna the lad from dortmund. 18 and could be a world beater.

I think those 3 would have us challenging the top 6. Get a number 10 and it would be fantasy land
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
Think I'd just look at getting in another competant CB and just move Konsa out to RB whenever Cash isn't available (hopefully just for odd game rather than months out)

Thought he was class tonight at RB and Son barely got a kick even when Spurs were dominating second half.

Hause proved to be a fantastic squad player this year aswell which is big surprise of the season so we've got a good set of CBs going forward if we get another in.
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Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2021, 10:43:51 PM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
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Post by: TonyD on May 19, 2021, 10:53:56 PM
40m on a class winger to supplement Bert.

And 40m on a arse kicking sweeper.

= top 4.
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Post by: algy on May 19, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
Think that's the thing. The overwhelming majority of our signings have improved since we signed them, Matt Targett being the obvious one, but also the likes of Hause, Nakamba, AEG, Douglas Luiz, ... gives me some confidence that Traore and Sanson will be very good signings in the long run.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
Other than his debut I can't think of many games where Hause hasn't given a pretty good account of himself when called on.  He's at a level where I'm never really anxious if he's drafted into the team.  Very much hope we can keep him as he's a very decent squad player.
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Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 20, 2021, 09:11:44 AM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
Other than his debut I can't think of many games where Hause hasn't given a pretty good account of himself when called on.  He's at a level where I'm never really anxious if he's drafted into the team.  Very much hope we can keep him as he's a very decent squad player.

He only cost us £3 million as well (if I remember rightly). He's done really well this season when called upon.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 20, 2021, 09:12:51 AM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
Other than his debut I can't think of many games where Hause hasn't given a pretty good account of himself when called on.  He's at a level where I'm never really anxious if he's drafted into the team.  Very much hope we can keep him as he's a very decent squad player.
This for me too - like him or not, you've got to think John Terry has had a massive effect on these young centre halves when you see their progress.
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Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2021, 09:18:10 AM
Hause has been a major plus point, it has to be said. Another player massively improved, says a lot for the coaching staff.
Other than his debut I can't think of many games where Hause hasn't given a pretty good account of himself when called on.  He's at a level where I'm never really anxious if he's drafted into the team.  Very much hope we can keep him as he's a very decent squad player.
This for me too - like him or not, you've got to think John Terry has had a massive effect on these young centre halves when you see their progress.
Almost persuades me to think a 3 at the back might work in some games .... *




*that comment is dedicated to CDB, a superfan of the 3-5-2 movement.
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Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2021, 09:31:22 AM
I don't want 3-5-2 for us, but for England under Southgate he'd fit in there easily.

Anyway, what helped us last night was Nakamba with McGinn further forward. If only Nakamba could retain possession or pass like Luiz....

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Post by: andyh on May 20, 2021, 09:35:54 AM
Tonight's game was a great way to really look at what we need going forward.  A more physical and upgrade of Marvellous Nakamba/Douglas Luiz, a left winger to replace El Ghazi, turning him into what he is, which is a squad player, much like Traore.  This will allow Jack to either play out on the left/right when we feel like it, or he can return to the number 10 role.  Gives us the option of playing Douglas further forward too.  He used the ball well tonight.

So for me, winger, number 10 and a defensive midfielder please Dean.
Good points. Also, neither Davis nor Wesley will cut the mustard so we need a striker.
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Post by: Baldy on May 20, 2021, 09:45:13 AM
40m on a class winger to supplement Bert.

And 40m on a arse kicking sweeper.

= top 4.

Allan Saint-Maximim, only 24, why would he want to stay at Newcastle!! 30 million bid should do it. Bert is not really a winger, he always cuts inside. Bert has so much potential, improve his finishing and he could be deadly in front of goal.

Kante, 30 years old. Machine. Would be a great tutor to the likes of Luiz, Marvellous etc over next 2 or 3 years. Allowing for age, 15 to 20 million max.

Baldy jury is out on Tammy. Body language not great at Premier League level. Worth keeping in the melting pot but let's see how Wesley/Bert/Davis develop before splashing too much cash.

That leaves us a tonne of cash to spend on that marquee signing to steal the show when Jack is being uploaded. But who?? Exciting times.  :)
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Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
I don't want 3-5-2 for us, but for England under Southgate he'd fit in there easily.

Anyway, what helped us last night was Nakamba with McGinn further forward. If only Nakamba could retain possession or pass like Luiz....

Nakamba held his position a lot better than Luiz though. I'm sure the centre backs were happy with him yesterday. His limitations with the ball are obvious unfortunately.
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Post by: Smithy on May 20, 2021, 11:13:26 AM
I don't want 3-5-2 for us, but for England under Southgate he'd fit in there easily.

Anyway, what helped us last night was Nakamba with McGinn further forward. If only Nakamba could retain possession or pass like Luiz....

Nakamba held his position a lot better than Luiz though. I'm sure the centre backs were happy with him yesterday. His limitations with the ball are obvious unfortunately.

That's why players who can do what he does defensively AND be good ballplayers are rarer than hens' teeth.  An upgrade on him for the first 11 would be a brilliant improvement to the side, but I'm not sure who is out there and available?
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Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
I don't want 3-5-2 for us, but for England under Southgate he'd fit in there easily.

Anyway, what helped us last night was Nakamba with McGinn further forward. If only Nakamba could retain possession or pass like Luiz....

Nakamba held his position a lot better than Luiz though. I'm sure the centre backs were happy with him yesterday. His limitations with the ball are obvious unfortunately.

That's why players who can do what he does defensively AND be good ballplayers are rarer than hens' teeth.  An upgrade on him for the first 11 would be a brilliant improvement to the side, but I'm not sure who is out there and available?

I like Thomas Delaney at Dortmund. Bags of experience at club and international experience. Spiky enough too which we need. Has had injuries last couple of seasons, mind.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 01:35:34 PM
I think a great holding midfielder and a really first class wide-right player would transform us. The former would allow us to play 4-3-3 again, getting the best out of Doug as a deeper passing player and freeing McGinn to do fun McGinn things, and the latter would compete with Bert and basically complete a near-perfect attack.
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Post by: CT Villan on May 20, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Hause was (and still is) the best header of the ball at the club and now that his distribution appears to have improved I don't think we need to buy another CB, unless Engels leaves.

I believe Jack will stay for the next season, but if we don't make Europe AND sign some real quality then all bets are off beyond that.

We need a composed, ball-playing DM...a winger that can play either side, a top #10 to replace Barkley and perhaps an up and coming striker to cover Ollie. It's possible to cover multiple forward positions with one player too.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2021, 01:54:57 PM
Bellingham, Pereira, Bissouma, promote the youth and maybe Tammy if we’ve got cash to burn.
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Post by: WassallVillain on May 20, 2021, 02:05:51 PM
I don't want 3-5-2 for us, but for England under Southgate he'd fit in there easily.

Anyway, what helped us last night was Nakamba with McGinn further forward. If only Nakamba could retain possession or pass like Luiz....
Conversely if only Luiz could cover and tackle like Nakamba.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:08:47 PM
I'd buy Tammy right away. He'd be fire for us, I'm absolutely convinced of it, he's got the work ethic, will benefit from the instant "jack makes you a better player" effect and he knows there is nothing but love for him here. Him and Watkins could play together and cover each other. Buy a tip top wide player as well and get Jack back in the middle, we'd be streamrollering teams.
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Post by: CT on May 20, 2021, 02:09:17 PM
Hause was (and still is) the best header of the ball at the club and now that his distribution appears to have improved I don't think we need to buy another CB, unless Engels leaves.

I believe Jack will stay for the next season, but if we don't make Europe AND sign some real quality then all bets are off beyond that.

We need a composed, ball-playing DM...a winger that can play either side, a top #10 to replace Barkley and perhaps an up and coming striker to cover Ollie. It's possible to cover multiple forward positions with one player too.

Incredible really, that for £3m, you’ve got a guy who can come into the side after ages without playing and do such a solid role. So true on his heading ability, he’s extremely good.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:12:25 PM
I'd buy Tammy right away. He'd be fire for us, I'm absolutely convinced of it, he's got the work ethic, will benefit from the instant "jack makes you a better player" effect and he knows there is nothing but love for him here. Him and Watkins could play together and cover each other. Buy a tip top wide player as well and get Jack back in the middle, we'd be streamrollering teams.

I'm just not convinced. We want to get into the top 4, and I'm not sure we should be buying players who were good for us in the Championship but who have failed to make sufficient impact to get in front of Timo Werner on this season's form.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
I'd buy Tammy right away. He'd be fire for us, I'm absolutely convinced of it, he's got the work ethic, will benefit from the instant "jack makes you a better player" effect and he knows there is nothing but love for him here. Him and Watkins could play together and cover each other. Buy a tip top wide player as well and get Jack back in the middle, we'd be streamrollering teams.

I'm just not convinced. We want to get into the top 4, and I'm not sure we should be buying players who were good for us in the Championship but who have failed to make sufficient impact to get in front of Timo Werner on this season's form.

He got 15 goals last season for a side that qualified for the Champions League, it's not his fault they're determined to make their German Scott Hogan work.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
How does it solve our wide right problem? How do him and Watkins play together when both of them want to lead the line? I just don't see them in the same team, and I don't know if we're yet in the position where we can spend £40m plus on a reserve striker.
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Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 02:18:20 PM
I still think Berge is the best choice for DM with Locatelli my alternative. Most of the other players I've sene suggested are, for me, more box-to-box than the real defensive wall that I think we'd really benefit from.

Yesterday showed exactly why I think replacing Barkley with a deep player and letting McGinn and Luiz get further forward would work, McGinn was superb and Luiz was much more incisive when he came on and did a good job to keep us on top of them in midfield.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
Fluid front line bruv, innit?

Tammy has said himself he enjoys playing from wide, Watkins has done it too. Swap positions, keep the defenders guessing, work out a system where you attack the six yard box depending on which flank we attack.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
I just don't rate either of them particularly as dribblers, passers or crossers. At their best they're centre-forwards, line-leading no. 9s, and playing either of them out of position just because they literally can isn't a good way of getting the best out of the team IMO.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
Yeah, but you like three centre halves, so, you know. :)
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
Lol, I'll just never understand this bias. Like, how many trophies need to be won with it before people stop blaming it for John Gregory being boring?
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
Lol, I'll just never understand this bias. Like, how many trophies need to be won with it before people stop blaming it for John Gregory being boring?

If I pinned the opposition team sheet on the wall and they had three centre halves playing, my first words would be:

"Lads, these are shitting it"
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:33:30 PM
And then you'd be against Bielsa, or Conte, or a million others, and you'd be wrong.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:36:36 PM
And then you'd be against Bielsa, or Conte, or a million others, and you'd be wrong.

You wouldn't say that if my name was LeeB-ovani.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
No, but then that would be because every question I asked you would be 'what's with the name, that's a weird name' ;)

Anyway, alternatives to Tammy. Odegaard? Seems good but who knows. I'm also unconvinced by Pereira as I'm not sure where he'd fit in our starting line-up, and I really think the only way to improve the squad is improve the first XI and keep current starters as squad players.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2021, 02:43:58 PM
I'd buy Tammy right away. He'd be fire for us, I'm absolutely convinced of it, he's got the work ethic, will benefit from the instant "jack makes you a better player" effect and he knows there is nothing but love for him here. Him and Watkins could play together and cover each other. Buy a tip top wide player as well and get Jack back in the middle, we'd be streamrollering teams.
I agree with Lee.

Tammy and Watkins - that's the sort of depth you need to move to the next level.  They can play together as a 2, in a 3, rotate, whatever.  Big clubs have selection headaches and this is the type of headache we need.  And playing Watkins wide doesn't necessarily mean out and out winger - more in a Salah type role, which I think he'd be well suited to.

With all that said he'll go to West Ham, so meh.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:45:39 PM
No, but then that would be because every question I asked you would be 'what's with the name, that's a weird name' ;)

Anyway, alternatives to Tammy. Odegaard? Seems good but who knows. I'm also unconvinced by Pereira as I'm not sure where he'd fit in our starting line-up, and I really think the only way to improve the squad is improve the first XI and keep current starters as squad players.

It's really difficult as the criteria you mention narrows it down to a very small number of players. Odegaard yes, Pereira I'm not convinced, but I like what I've seen of McNeill at Burnley, who I think is written off by some because of who he plays for, but he's technically excellent and an intelligent player, and still very young.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
Well my view is that we need Traoré, but less unbearably frustrating. McNeill I like a lot, he's also very aggressive and direct which would fit very well with that kind of angry football we've played at our best this season.

To be clear, if we bought Odegaard AND Tammy (and a Berge/Locatelli type) then I'd be fucking delighted. I'm just not sold on Tammy as a priority over that kind of player.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
Well my view is that we need Traoré, but less unbearably frustrating. McNeill I like a lot, he's also very aggressive and direct which would fit very well with that kind of angry football we've played at our best this season.

To be clear, if we bought Odegaard AND Tammy (and a Berge/Locatelli type) then I'd be fucking delighted. I'm just not sold on Tammy as a priority over that kind of player.

You'll need to buy another bloody centre half as well for your 'system'






Sorry.
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Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
I'm just living my truth Lee. You won't make me ashamed.

(I don't actually like 3 at the back that much.)
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Post by: peckvillajunior on May 20, 2021, 03:07:13 PM
I'd be looking at Trossard as an attacking option. No idea how much Brighton would want but he's impressed me every time I've seen him play
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 20, 2021, 03:09:59 PM
I like what I've seen of McNeill at Burnley, who I think is written off by some because of who he plays for, but he's technically excellent and an intelligent player, and still very young.

I think it's more to do with his relatively poor goal return and (perceived) lack of pace. Possibly also a concern that Dyche is already getting the most out of him. TBH I haven't seen enough of him to have an opinion either way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 03:55:02 PM
I feel like I'm repeating myself far too often on this thread but I think Malen or Gouiri would complement Grealish and Watkins better than someone like Tammy and would give us the same flexibility whilst adding proven ability playing out wide and cutting in. Both have the disadvantage of needing to settle in the club and league where tammy has an advantage but I just think that front 3 has more potential. Both of them will, in my opinion, be in the mix as 2 of the best attacking players in the world in a few years. I still think Thuram would fit in as well but he's not kicked on this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mrfuse on May 20, 2021, 03:59:14 PM
I just don't rate either of them particularly as dribblers, passers or crossers. At their best they're centre-forwards, line-leading no. 9s, and playing either of them out of position just because they literally can isn't a good way of getting the best out of the team IMO.

I agree Liverpool have 3 front players that can do that, but when you look at Ollie and Tammy neither work great as wide players. Ollie at a push can do a job but Id rather have a quality wide player than Tammy. I wouldn't sign Tammy unless he understood he would be back up to Ollie and I doubt he would agree to that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 04:00:25 PM
I like what I've seen of McNeill at Burnley, who I think is written off by some because of who he plays for, but he's technically excellent and an intelligent player, and still very young.

I think it's more to do with his relatively poor goal return and (perceived) lack of pace. Possibly also a concern that Dyche is already getting the most out of him. TBH I haven't seen enough of him to have an opinion either way.

I quite like McNeil but he's not quick enough or direct enough to be a modern winger in my opinion, I think he'll move on and be converted into a box-to-box midfielder or maybe even a full back. His qualities are his work rate, tenacity and crossing/long passing so I think he could fit better in either role with a bit of training.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 20, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
McNeil is decent and would be a decent squad player - but it's the team we really need to improve.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
I feel like I'm repeating myself far too often on this thread but I think Malen or Gouiri would complement Grealish and Watkins better than someone like Tammy and would give us the same flexibility whilst adding proven ability playing out wide and cutting in. Both have the disadvantage of needing to settle in the club and league where tammy has an advantage but I just think that front 3 has more potential. Both of them will, in my opinion, be in the mix as 2 of the best attacking players in the world in a few years. I still think Thuram would fit in as well but he's not kicked on this season.

Yeah. But you're like an Englishman in a foreign country who keeps repeating himself in English, just louder and slower, and it doesn't help. We've no idea what you're talking about. ☺
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 05:01:32 PM
I feel like I'm repeating myself far too often on this thread but I think Malen or Gouiri would complement Grealish and Watkins better than someone like Tammy and would give us the same flexibility whilst adding proven ability playing out wide and cutting in. Both have the disadvantage of needing to settle in the club and league where tammy has an advantage but I just think that front 3 has more potential. Both of them will, in my opinion, be in the mix as 2 of the best attacking players in the world in a few years. I still think Thuram would fit in as well but he's not kicked on this season.

Yeah. But you're like an Englishman in a foreign country who keeps repeating himself in English, just louder and slower, and it doesn't help. We've no idea what you're talking about. ☺

Probably true

Malen:


Gouiri:


Both have that thing of always looking like they have more time and space than anyone else on the pitch, which i really like in creative players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2021, 05:05:10 PM
Fabian Delph
Adolf Hitler
Mrs Brown's Boys
U2
The Conservative Party








Three at the back.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 20, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
I prefer the look of Gouiri based on just those videos, he seems flash.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 05:08:16 PM
I prefer the look of Gouiri based on just those videos, he seems flash.

Gouiri has the little bit of extra flair but Malen is quicker, fuck it, get both, not my money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on May 20, 2021, 06:14:05 PM
Mentioned this pair a few pages back.

Madueke has kicked on since this video and has seven goals in 27 games for a wide player.  Champions League experience as well and still only 19. Not express pace, by the looks of it. But can ride tackles with his upper body strength.



We're supposedly using a more stats-based approach to signings and Musrati at SC Braga has been doing well enough on that front as a defensive midfielder.   Available for €20-25 million this summer with Benfica and sides here and in Germany supposedly interested.

According to this (https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-al-musrati/)he's no mug with the ball at his feet either.  An upgrade on Marv, perhaps. Who does the chasing part well but lacks composure doing the other things.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Border villan on May 20, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
Both clips have defending that is reminiscent of Micha and Joleon on their outings for AVFC.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2021, 06:42:47 PM
These players look great in the clips, although in fairness you could do an amazing show reel for ElGhazi and an even better one for Traore.  That's not to say I wouldn't be very excited to sign players like this, but for this window to try to kick on to top 6 (which I think we'll have to do to keep Jack) I thought we would be looking for slightly more established talents, not so much bright youngsters like these.

I know it's a different position, but if we spend money on Tammy we know exactly what we are getting - an excellent striker guaranteed to fit in with the team, manager & fans and more to the point PL ready and almost certain to hit the ground running and score goals.  Someone like Buendia would also be PL ready from the off.

I feel our first team needs more established players right now, but players like these would be the icing on the cake in terms of adding depth and future talent to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2021, 08:47:56 PM
Fabian Delph
Adolf Hitler
Mrs Brown's Boys
U2
The Conservative Party








Three at the back.

I don't really get this but it made me laugh!
 Sounds like some sort of Bruce Springsteen We Didn't Start The Fire lyric
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 20, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
There’s lots of YouTube players like El Ghazi.

Looks great on clips but in reality not that good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2021, 09:00:28 PM
...some sort of Bruce Springsteen We Didn't Start The Fire lyric

*raises eyebrow*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2021, 09:37:04 PM
...some sort of Bruce Springsteen We Didn't Start The Fire lyric

*raises eyebrow*

*furrows brow but thinks ‘don’t bother’*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 20, 2021, 09:44:06 PM
Saint-Maximin please. It's definitely doable. He's exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2021, 09:45:15 PM
I like him, he can be the £50 million winger I want. I want a £150 million one, too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
There’s lots of YouTube players like El Ghazi.

Looks great on clips but in reality not that good.

Bit harsh, he has done very well for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 20, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
Saint-Maximin please. It's definitely doable. He's exactly what we need.
In my opinion, this season's Adama Traore.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2021, 11:02:44 PM
I think Saint Maximam was brilliant last season too, the bloke is seriously talented. I do though think Traore can be as scary if he adds a bit more consistency.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2021, 11:08:11 PM
There’s lots of YouTube players like El Ghazi.

Looks great on clips but in reality not that good.

If the implication there is that people like Gouiri and Malen are on the same level as El Ghazi then I'd recommend looking at the list of clubs both are being linked with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2021, 11:33:34 PM
Saint-Maximin please. It's definitely doable. He's exactly what we need.
In my opinion, this season's Adama Traore.

Injury concerns too.  In the system we play we are going to need someone who is willing and able to do the defensive side of things well.  Traore has left Cash far too exposed at times this season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2021, 11:41:50 PM
McNeil is decent and would be a decent squad player - but it's the team we really need to improve.

A lot obviously depends on Jack Grealish staying and if he does, whether he plays out wide or in a more central role.  If he is going to play more centrally next season, then we could possibly be looking at having to bring in two quality wide players next season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2021, 11:49:39 PM
There’s lots of YouTube players like El Ghazi.

Looks great on clips but in reality not that good.

If the implication there is that people like Gouiri and Malen are on the same level as El Ghazi then I'd recommend looking at the list of clubs both are being linked with.

Malen dosen't start much for Holland though. Could be to Frank De Boer being completely clueless but in the March round they played infront of him:

Memphis Depay (flopped big time at Man. United but since found his level at Lyon and good player for them)
Stephen Berghuis (briefly at Watford)

Traore was really good at Ajax the season they got to europa final in 16/17 so interested if you think Malen potential so much higher as I remember Bergwijn having a crazy scoring season in Holland and yet yesterday was his first Spurs goal in about 40 games.

Said before but think David Neres from Ajax would be a really good pick up for us. Played with Doug for Brazil, 24, two years left on his deal and still a starter for them in their big european ties and can play as CF or LW so pretty much ideal for what we need in final third.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on May 21, 2021, 12:03:28 AM
I can understand the love for Tammy but, he played well for us in a lesser competition, while he started well for Chelsea we have seen two managers relegate him to the bench, favouring firstly an ageing but still capable Giroud then a new manager arrives and Tammy is overlooked in favour of Werner, who to be kind, puts in a lot of effort but misses a lot of chances. So we have two managers will not give Tammy a start. They would have their reasons surely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2021, 12:19:01 AM
I think two managers put him on the bench because the club had lashed out massive amounts of money on players they had to play. I think Tammy is a super player for any club in our position looking to go from mid table to a top 6 position. He works hard, he scores all the goals Ollie can score. He's a slightly different player but in no way is he a step down. He might not be good enough for a top 4 side but we should in now way turning our nose up at a player of his ability.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
There’s lots of YouTube players like El Ghazi.

Looks great on clips but in reality not that good.

If the implication there is that people like Gouiri and Malen are on the same level as El Ghazi then I'd recommend looking at the list of clubs both are being linked with.

Malen dosen't start much for Holland though. Could be to Frank De Boer being completely clueless but in the March round they played infront of him:

Memphis Depay (flopped big time at Man. United but since found his level at Lyon and good player for them)
Stephen Berghuis (briefly at Watford)

Traore was really good at Ajax the season they got to europa final in 16/17 so interested if you think Malen potential so much higher as I remember Bergwijn having a crazy scoring season in Holland and yet yesterday was his first Spurs goal in about 40 games.

Said before but think David Neres from Ajax would be a really good pick up for us. Played with Doug for Brazil, 24, two years left on his deal and still a starter for them in their big european ties and can play as CF or LW so pretty much ideal for what we need in final third.

Malen is still very young so not having broken into the Dutch team doesn't mean a whole lot, if international recognition was a major criteria Grealish wouldn't look like a guy who's one of the top 4-5 players in the league.

For players under about 23-24 I think seeing what they do well and going with an eyeball test is more important than goal and assist stats. I haven't watched full games for Malen but everything I have watched he looks miles ahead of everyone else on the pitch. On top of that I chat a lot about football with a group of people at work and both of the dutch guys reckon he's a serious talent and probably the best player in the league right now. Add to that the fact that he's been scouted by pretty much every big club in Europe and I think he'd be a massive coup for us. The key thing is his pace, almost every comment about him talks about how quick he is, I like the idea of us having someone with that extra yard of pace, our game plan, at it's most basic, is to draw teams on to us and then try to get in behind so I think he'd be a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2021, 12:37:46 AM
I think two managers put him on the bench because the club had lashed out massive amounts of money on players they had to play. I think Tammy is a super player for any club in our position looking to go from mid table to a top 6 position. He works hard, he scores all the goals Ollie can score. He's a slightly different player but in no way is he a step down. He might not be good enough for a top 4 side but we should in now way turning our nose up at a player of his ability.

That's certainly not true for Lampard. I think it's important to look at how his record stacks up. After going back to Chelsea h started the season confident and in form with 9 in 9 across all competitions. Since then he's got 21 in 70 including a hattrick against Luton and a couple against Barnsley. I don't mind him as player and I totally get the appeal but I don't think he's the right player to compliment what we have and I think if it wasn't for how well he did for us in the championship people would be much more objective about his limitations.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
I wonder if Emre Can fancies another crack at the Prem?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
I think two managers put him on the bench because the club had lashed out massive amounts of money on players they had to play. I think Tammy is a super player for any club in our position looking to go from mid table to a top 6 position. He works hard, he scores all the goals Ollie can score. He's a slightly different player but in no way is he a step down. He might not be good enough for a top 4 side but we should in now way turning our nose up at a player of his ability.

That's certainly not true for Lampard. I think it's important to look at how his record stacks up. After going back to Chelsea h started the season confident and in form with 9 in 9 across all competitions. Since then he's got 21 in 70 including a hattrick against Luton and a couple against Barnsley. I don't mind him as player and I totally get the appeal but I don't think he's the right player to compliment what we have and I think if it wasn't for how well he did for us in the championship people would be much more objective about his limitations.
I agree, I was never convinced that he is a Top 6 striker, I love his effort and attitude but he lacks first touch and guile. I think Ollie has lots more potential.
He would not e the worst signing but not the ideal player for what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 21, 2021, 09:48:58 AM
Re Tammy Abraham, I'm puzzled by people saying he is decent but not the kind of quality we need.

Chelsea are 3rd in the PL, he is their joint top scorer with 12 goals from 32 league and cup games (Werner, 12 from 50 and Giroud, 11 from 31). That in a season when he has not been given a consistent run in the side.

He is 23, so still capable of improvement, and can play anywhere across a front three or as a loan striker - though that is not his best role and he has talked about being a wide attacker rather than the central striker.

He knows the club and set-up and importantly the coaches know what he is like to work with and he seems a good fit with many of the players.

Genuine question - how many other strikers tick as many boxes as that for £40m-ish? I would do the deal today and have him introduced to the fans on Sunday before the game! UTV
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 09:55:37 AM
The fact that this whole 'he's a wide player really' thing is contradicted by the evidence of our own eyes? I just don't get it. I'd like us to move beyond sentimentality please, we'll need to if we're going to actually challenge for Europe.

Some would call it an obvious signing. I'd call it lazy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
I reckon he could play in a back three as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 21, 2021, 10:13:26 AM
I wonder if Emre Can fancies another crack at the Prem?

Just checked because I thought he would be in his 30s , he is only 27 seems to have been around ages
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 10:18:37 AM
What about this Willock character? I mean Arsenal have already sold us their best goalkeeper by mistake and anything that annoys Newcastle fans and Nan's hair must be goer
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 21, 2021, 10:19:48 AM
The fact that this whole 'he's a wide player really' thing is contradicted by the evidence of our own eyes? I just don't get it. I'd like us to move beyond sentimentality please, we'll need to if we're going to actually challenge for Europe.

Some would call it an obvious signing. I'd call it lazy.
It's not sentiment. He is Chelsea's best striker this season and they are third and in the CL Final.

One of the biggest risks with a signing is actually knowing the character of the player and how they will settle and work with others at the club. Hence the popularity of loans with options to buy.

That's not lazy. That's common sense.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2021, 10:23:58 AM
Also, as I said before, 5 of those goals were against Luton and Barnsley.

The wide player thing needs to be put to bed, if he'd never said it in an interview would anyone look at him and think "he'd make a good winger"?

On the box ticking thing for me too many of those boxes relate to him playing for us 2 years ago. It's the same reason why Milner will probably get a mention on this thread at some point and people have talked about Benteke as a serious option.

What really annoys me about this repeated conversation on him though is that it makes it come across as if I think he's a poor player and that's never been the case, I just don't think he's a good use of the £40-50m they'd want for him and that's been my view for the past 2 summers as well, if he'd been available at any point for around half that I'd be all for it but right now his fee is inflated because of the club he's with just like lots of young English players have been in the last few years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 21, 2021, 10:27:32 AM
I wonder if Emre Can fancies another crack at the Prem?

Just checked because I thought he would be in his 30s , he is only 27 seems to have been around ages

Whenever I see him play for Dortmund he brings to mind Jedinak for us, a fine player but I'm not sure he's mobile enough for the defensive midfielder role.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 10:30:06 AM
Happy to be proven wrong, I just dont see it. I see a striker who scores one chance in 5 in the Premier League, and whose only position (he is resolutely not a top 6 winger, are we serious) is occupied in our team by a much better player than him. £40m would be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2021, 10:34:30 AM
I wonder if Emre Can fancies another crack at the Prem?

Just checked because I thought he would be in his 30s , he is only 27 seems to have been around ages

Whenever I see him play for Dortmund he brings to mind Jedinak for us, a fine player but I'm not sure he's mobile enough for the defensive midfielder role.

I really like Can but I have the same concern, it's the only thing that puts me off him, he does read the game well though so that covers the lack of mobility a lot of the time but I can't decide if it's enough in such a fast league, I suspect he's just better suited to the pace of the German game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on May 21, 2021, 10:58:05 AM
The fact that this whole 'he's a wide player really' thing is contradicted by the evidence of our own eyes? I just don't get it. I'd like us to move beyond sentimentality please, we'll need to if we're going to actually challenge for Europe.

Some would call it an obvious signing. I'd call it lazy.
It's not sentiment. He is Chelsea's best striker this season and they are third and in the CL Final.

One of the biggest risks with a signing is actually knowing the character of the player and how they will settle and work with others at the club. Hence the popularity of loans with options to buy.

That's not lazy. That's common sense.

Had Tammy not had game time with us already I’d guess many who aren’t as keen would be saying ‘what about that Abraham at Chelsea? 12 goals, not getting game time and only 23. Should be gettable for about £40m’
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 21, 2021, 10:58:28 AM
Celtics Dvid Turnbull for 7 mill in the daily Record..  never heard of him
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2021, 11:00:26 AM
Can somebody remind me was it Konsa or Engels that had previously played as a defensive midfielder? It's been bugging me for weeks.

Oh and fully agree with Paul_e on the importance of a defensive midfielder being able to read the game.
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Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2021, 11:02:22 AM
Can somebody remind me was it Konsa or Engels that had previously played as a defensive midfielder? It's been bugging me for weeks.

Oh and fully agree with Paul_e on the importance of a defensive midfielder being able to read the game.

Christ, Engels in midfield would be like Eric Dier on mogadon.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
Can somebody remind me was it Konsa or Engels that had previously played as a defensive midfielder? It's been bugging me for weeks.

Oh and fully agree with Paul_e on the importance of a defensive midfielder being able to read the game.

Christ, Engels in midfield would be like Eric Dier on mogadon.

It was Konsa.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2021, 11:05:55 AM
Also, as I said before, 5 of those goals were against Luton and Barnsley.

The wide player thing needs to be put to bed, if he'd never said it in an interview would anyone look at him and think "he'd make a good winger"?

On the box ticking thing for me too many of those boxes relate to him playing for us 2 years ago. It's the same reason why Milner will probably get a mention on this thread at some point and people have talked about Benteke as a serious option.

What really annoys me about this repeated conversation on him though is that it makes it come across as if I think he's a poor player and that's never been the case, I just don't think he's a good use of the £40-50m they'd want for him and that's been my view for the past 2 summers as well, if he'd been available at any point for around half that I'd be all for it but right now his fee is inflated because of the club he's with just like lots of young English players have been in the last few years.

That's pretty much where I am, TBH.

But aren't all modern fees inflated these days?  Also, if NSWE think £40 million is worthwhile use of their ample funds, who am I to argue.

As LeeB said earlier, if either Watkins (Or Tammy) were starting wide, they wouldn't be playing as conventional wingers banging in crosses.  Watkins does some of his best work foraging on the right, Tammy has expressed an idea of coming in from the left before. As per Terry Henry or whoever.

Depending on the match and depending on the particular line up of the opposition, if the full-back on either side is more of an attacking one who likes to wander and often gets caught out, asking one of that pair to start wide and cut in makes sense.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2021, 11:13:15 AM
Cheers, Steve.

LeeB, it's so long since I saw Engels play I honestly can't remember what he's like. I'll take you word for him.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 11:18:57 AM
Celtics Dvid Turnbull for 7 mill in the daily Record..  never heard of him

Same here. Looks like a 7m punt on one for the future which is peanuts really. Hard to judge given its' Scotland.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2021, 11:24:44 AM
We should have learned the reality of transfer fees with Benteke and Wesley. When we were relegated £30 million bought one of the best strikers in Europe. Three years later it got you potential. In the summer better strikers than Tammy will be available but the big question is will they want to come to us, and if they do they'll cost a lot more than £40 million. 
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Post by: algy on May 21, 2021, 11:31:34 AM
Celtics Dvid Turnbull for 7 mill in the daily Record..  never heard of him
Based purely on Wikipedia, central midfielder, scored quite a bit whilst he was playing for Motherwell, moved to Celtic last summer and was their player of the year this season.

He's only 21, so might be an interesting squad option but I'd wonder if he'd get enough game time with us.  Specially with us also trying to bring Jacob Ramsey through, and maybe give a few subs appearances to Chucky/JPB if they don't go somewhere on loan.  But the price is right for me, and he does look a decent prospect.
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Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
We shouldn't be signing people to be 'squad players'. We would need to have seen something about him. I've heard the name before but know nothing about him other than what I've read (being good with both feet was one thing I read). It would be interesting to see what people who have seen him think.
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Post by: UK Redsox on May 21, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
Can somebody remind me was it Konsa or Engels that had previously played as a defensive midfielder? It's been bugging me for weeks.

Oh and fully agree with Paul_e on the importance of a defensive midfielder being able to read the game.

Christ, Engels in midfield would be like Eric Dier on mogadon.

It was Konsa.

I think that Konsa has the ability to do a job in any position. He's the new Riccardo Scimeca
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2021, 11:51:35 AM
We should have learned the reality of transfer fees with Benteke and Wesley. When we were relegated £30 million bought one of the best strikers in Europe. Three years later it got you potential. In the summer better strikers than Tammy will be available but the big question is will they want to come to us, and if they do they'll cost a lot more than £40 million. 

That's only true if you go down the Arsenal route of paying the going rate or above for really obvious targets. The key to it is to get value. Whether that's young players like Konsa whose value now will be four times (at least) what we paid for him, or players who are not in favour at their current club, or are just off he radar a bit. I'd say Watkins is a better striker than Tammy and he didn't cost a lot more than £40m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
If we didn't have Watkins, but instead all these great wingers with nobody to lead the line, I'd be very content with £40m for Tammy, and provided we get the first team improvements we desperately need too that would still be a fine signing. But to me, he's not the answer to our first team issues.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 12:11:13 PM
We still need a good (and expensive) striker. I personally think Wesley will find his feet if the injury hasn't buggered him, but if Watkins gets crocked......
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2021, 12:13:58 PM
We should have learned the reality of transfer fees with Benteke and Wesley. When we were relegated £30 million bought one of the best strikers in Europe. Three years later it got you potential. In the summer better strikers than Tammy will be available but the big question is will they want to come to us, and if they do they'll cost a lot more than £40 million. 

That's only true if you go down the Arsenal route of paying the going rate or above for really obvious targets. The key to it is to get value. Whether that's young players like Konsa whose value now will be four times (at least) what we paid for him, or players who are not in favour at their current club, or are just off he radar a bit. I'd say Watkins is a better striker than Tammy and he didn't cost a lot more than £40m.

But he was still a gamble, potential rather than proven.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 21, 2021, 12:37:05 PM
Watkins was clearly more of a gamble at £33 million that Abraham would be at £40 million. Watkins had never played in the top flight and Abraham's goals record, based on most recent Championship season, was better than Ollie's, too.

I'm undecided on whether we should sign Abraham. However, £40 million for a striker who has been capped for England, has played loads of games and scored plenty of goals for one of the best teams in Europe and who appears to have his best years ahead of him seems perfectly reasonable in the current climate.

I'm not too bothered about trying to get a "bargain" either. Everybody knows we are one of the richest clubs in the richest league on Earth. Just accept that you might have to pay a bit over the odds and don't bother with the penny pinching. Pretty much everyone thought we overpaid for Watkins, it has been more than worth it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 21, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
We should have learned the reality of transfer fees with Benteke and Wesley. When we were relegated £30 million bought one of the best strikers in Europe. Three years later it got you potential. In the summer better strikers than Tammy will be available but the big question is will they want to come to us, and if they do they'll cost a lot more than £40 million.

I think this is a summer in which that precedent doesn't apply so much though, both in terms of what clubs are willing to spend on new players and what they are going to need to sell in order to keep themselves going.

The dozen or so elite players are going to be heavily in demand, but I reckon the next level of player down might be available to us in a way that they weren't pre-Covid.

The French, Dutch or Portuguese Champions League club who was relying on selling their best player to Real Madrid or PSG for €80m to reinvest the money might well find that buyer isn't there this summer and rather than needing money to reinvest, they are forced to find a €50m buyer to replace a year of lost income. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:03:11 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2021, 01:04:24 PM
Celtics Dvid Turnbull for 7 mill in the daily Record..  never heard of him

Same here. Looks like a 7m punt on one for the future which is peanuts really. Hard to judge given its' Scotland.

I know we have a couple of resident Scottish football experts, but I worked up in Glasgow for a while a number of years ago and still follow Scottish football a bit.  Turnbull is very highly rated up there, but not sure he would be coming as anything but squad option at this point.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 01:06:56 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

What I've been expecting really. The big spending was to get us relatively safe from relegation. I just see a gradual build-up from now on and the ongoing replacement of old players and duff signings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 01:07:41 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

That is a little deflating. Sounds like the kind of plan that involves selling Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

To be honest, if those 6-7 include a starting defensive midfielder like Berge and a starting winger along with a few upgrades in the squad, then I think we will be set for next season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
'Sustainable' - one interpretation could be 'be like Borussia Dortmund/Southampton', which would be a message not to get too attached to any homegrown heroes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 21, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
I'm not too bothered about trying to get a "bargain" either. Everybody knows we are one of the richest clubs in the richest league on Earth. Just accept that you might have to pay a bit over the odds and don't bother with the penny pinching. Pretty much everyone thought we overpaid for Watkins, it has been more than worth it.

Many observers said we'd overpaid for Mings at 20m (rising to 25m) and even a few (not on here) claiming the same for us buying Arsenal's "reserve" keeper. Both have turned out to be bargains.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:11:52 PM
In Preece's defence, he did say we'd be looking to improve key positions, which to me will cost a considerable amount of money, but also that Smith believes the first eleven are a match for anyone and it's about improving that. Also, he mentioned they want to strike while Spuds and Arsenal are flailing. It's a huge summer and what we do in it will set the tone for years to come - personally I would be looking at bigger names but none have really been mooted. Surprised the Tammy link has been dismissed, but Smith wants us to press and they don't rate Abraham in that regard.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 01:12:32 PM
In Preece's defence, he did say we'd be looking to improve key positions, which to me will cost a considerable amount of money, but also that Smith believes the first eleven are a match for anyone and it's about improving that. Also, he mentioned they want to strike while Spuds and Arsenal are flailing. It's a huge summer and what we do in it will set the tone for years to come - personally I would be looking at bigger names but none have really been mooted. Surprised the Tammy link has been dismissed, but Smith wants us to press and they don't rate Abraham in that regard.

That sounds better? Though we all have our opinions about Tammy I'm sure.

As for the first 11 being a match for anyone - sure, they *can* be, but how often are they? And are they really good enough to beat Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester or Everton into the top 4, never mind Chelsea, United or Liverpool?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 21, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
On the flip side if you had 200m to spend you're not going to advertise the fact and didn't Smith say he was excited by the Summer targets. If it's similar to the last 2 summers' spend I think most would be happy enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:19:28 PM
Depends on how you take it I guess. Is a £20 million player a bargain buy these days? Smith did say earlier in the week that the players they had in mind excited him and would the fans, but that might be because they're slotting into an exciting style of play rather than exciting in and of themselves.

IMO, NSWE have put a lot of money in and will continue to do so, so I don't view bargain hunting in the same way as the latter Lerner years. Villa are probably looking, like many clubs, at Leicester. I'd say the 6-7 names might not be Messi, but by and large we've probably heard their names raised as potential stars.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 01:19:58 PM
Well the spurs/arsenal reference is a good point to make. They definitely seem to have overextended themselves in the quest for CL riches whether that's debt or building stadiums etc..  We don't want to go the same way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2021, 01:27:55 PM
In Preece's defence, he did say we'd be looking to improve key positions, which to me will cost a considerable amount of money, but also that Smith believes the first eleven are a match for anyone and it's about improving that. Also, he mentioned they want to strike while Spuds and Arsenal are flailing. It's a huge summer and what we do in it will set the tone for years to come - personally I would be looking at bigger names but none have really been mooted. Surprised the Tammy link has been dismissed, but Smith wants us to press and they don't rate Abraham in that regard.
I hope smith does not believe that.
We have to seriously strengthen central midfield and the wide players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2021, 01:39:47 PM
Who's our man in Poland? I see Porto, who know a thing or two about buying cheap-selling high, are sniffing around striker Aleksander Buksa of Wisla Krakrow. Only 18 but very highly rated and available on a free next month. Wolves were also reported to be interested in him a couple of months back. Do we really want the ‘new Robert Lewandowski’ coming on next season for the last 10 minutes to give Ollie a breather?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:41:14 PM
I dunno...last player we signed from Poland was Tonev.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on May 21, 2021, 01:42:12 PM
We should have learned the reality of transfer fees with Benteke and Wesley. When we were relegated £30 million bought one of the best strikers in Europe. Three years later it got you potential. In the summer better strikers than Tammy will be available but the big question is will they want to come to us, and if they do they'll cost a lot more than £40 million. 
another quite big question is will they fit in / settle at the club quickly. Tammy’s very low risk in that regard for me. I’d pay 40m for him if he was genuinely keen on the move. Better still would be a loan with an option to buy at the end of the season. We may not need him for longer if  Ollie keeps firing, Wes maintains his fitness and Barry comes through as he looks like doing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

That is a little deflating. Sounds like the kind of plan that involves selling Grealish.

This is what Dean Smith less than two weeks ago

“We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 01:45:32 PM
I dunno...last player we signed from Poland was Tonev.

To be fair, before McGinn the last player we signed from Hibs was Ulises de la Cruz.

Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

That is a little deflating. Sounds like the kind of plan that involves selling Grealish.

This is what Dean Smith less than two weeks ago

“We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

It's true, that was more cause for optimism. Let's hope eh!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2021, 01:46:38 PM
Wasn't Tonev from Bulgaria or is that just where his shots ended-up ?
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2021, 01:47:55 PM
He was Bulgarian, played in Poland, and aimed for outer space.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:48:22 PM
Wasn't Tonev from Bulgaria or is that just where his shots ended-up ?

Yeah, but he was playing in Poland when we signed him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
I dunno...last player we signed from Poland was Tonev.

To be fair, before McGinn the last player we signed from Hibs was Ulises de la Cruz.

Maybe we should do all our shopping in Scotland. Oh and we probably won't be able to sign Aleksander Buksa due to his age and Brexit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 01:51:06 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

That is a little deflating. Sounds like the kind of plan that involves selling Grealish.

This is what Dean Smith less than two weeks ago

“We’ve been planning for a long time. The people in the recruitment department & the sporting director have certainly had their finger on the pulse. The targets will make me excited, so it should make the supporters excited as well.”

Just passing what I read on. Like I said in an earlier response, I feel it's more likely they'll excite because they fit into the way Smith wants to play rather than because how much we paid. Ash Preece didn't seem like he was exercising caution over optimism this summer so we could all be wide of the mark. There's simply nothing to go on either way than this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 21, 2021, 02:05:04 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.

Tammy and Watkins just wouldn't work really. They are both number 9s and the days of teams going with two big name strikers up front are gone. Watkins is a better fit for us. Tammy will be plenty of other options this summer, maybe he didn't impressive just enough last season when given his chance under Lampard. Has certainly been harshly treated by Tuchel who seems to be backing Werner to the bitter end.

Wherever Kane goes and I'm assuming it's either Manchester club will weaken their pockets for other business. I'm wondering would someone like Sancho or Bellingham be gettable? They would be statement signings.

Going to be a bit of a merry go round this summer with transfers, something like Haaland - City, Kane - United, Rice/Lingard - United/WHU, Mbappe - Chelsea, Tammy - Leicester,
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Also, as I said before, 5 of those goals were against Luton and Barnsley.

The wide player thing needs to be put to bed, if he'd never said it in an interview would anyone look at him and think "he'd make a good winger"?



I think people started thinking he’d make a good wide attacker when he put that cross in that Jack headed in. Away game, can’t mind where.

Do you class Salah and Mane as wingers?
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 21, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
Why are we putting so much stock into what Ashley Preece is saying? Does he have a stellar Villa track record? Genuine question.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 02:27:08 PM
Preece seems, like Kendrick, to be Villa through and through and does quite a lot of these Q&As. I guess whether you think he's got loads of credibility is up to you, but he seems closer to the club than, say, a national reporter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 21, 2021, 02:27:49 PM
Ash Preece has just done a live Q&A thing, and in his view statement signings don't sound very likely. No interest in Abraham, rather we'll see 6-7 incomings to replace the fat being trimmed away and more use of the academy. NSWE want to make Villa sustainable, hence the academy investment. No mention of transfer spend, and no real denial that they wouldn't make big signings if needed, but Preece did say that if we went for Buendia, it would have to smash our transfer record, with the inference that we wouldn't. Bulk of business mid-late July.

Found it a little deflating, tbh.
Ashley Preece knows fuck all.  He is a kid who works for a click-bait rag who can hardly string two spoken words together.  Everything he's said above is either common knowledge (the owners want to make us sustainable and are keen on the academy) or pure guesswork.  I don't for a moment think he knows much more about our plans than the average poster on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 21, 2021, 02:47:55 PM
Also, as I said before, 5 of those goals were against Luton and Barnsley.

The wide player thing needs to be put to bed, if he'd never said it in an interview would anyone look at him and think "he'd make a good winger"?



I think people started thinking he’d make a good wide attacker when he put that cross in that Jack headed in. Away game, can’t mind where.

Do you class Salah and Mane as wingers?

I think they are both the definition of modern wingers, happier coming inside and joining the attack but will go outside players and try to get balls into the box, I want a player like those 2, Tammy isn't that sort of player at all.
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Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
I thought they were 'wide forwards'.
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Post by: AllanW on May 21, 2021, 02:54:25 PM
I guess whether you think he's got loads of credibility is up to you, but he seems closer to the club than, say, a national reporter.

Every one of us is far closer to the club than a national reporter. And as we read every day on here, that's not a great claim to credibility ...

Preece is no better nor worse than any of the frequent commenters here. The downside is that because he squirts-out his uninformed opinions fourteen times a day (it feels like) his percentage accuracy is very, very, very, very low. That's just how the law of large numbers works ... most of what he says proves to be cack.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2021, 03:00:48 PM
We'll see, I guess. Squirrels and nuts and all that.

About an hour after that chat ended, Sky Sports reckon us and Arsenal have 'renewed our interest' in Buendia.
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Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 03:02:22 PM
I think it's fair to say that the club want to be sustainable but that's long-term. There's no  evidence to think that they won't spend big again this summer in order for us to keep growing. They know that once we've got a strong squad that is regularly in the shake-up for Champions League places and has very talented kids coming through, any spend can come from the club's turnover.

I would be surprised if we bought 6-7 though.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 21, 2021, 03:46:16 PM
'Bringing 6 or 7 in' might include academy recruitment, like the youngster just signed from Bristol Rovers and options that have potential like the Celtic midfielder linked today.

I hope, and expect under the present regime, that recruitment is 'joined up' sufficiently that our signings in every window are intended to address one of three things:
I would agree that players to improve the first XI is the priority in this window but not if we are taking too much of a punt.

Some might say that we don't need squad players, but, to me, as we are now a stable PL club, the available budget should be spent to offer the best return on the criteria above. UTV.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 21, 2021, 04:08:57 PM
No problem with us having punts at young kids for the future like the celtic kid. It's if we start doing a MON and start buying squad players on big money and big fees I get worried. If the likes of Elmo and Taylor are going then either younger players with potential or someone who's going to challenge for a 1st team place.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 21, 2021, 05:42:36 PM
No problem with us having punts at young kids for the future like the celtic kid. It's if we start doing a MON and start buying squad players on big money and big fees I get worried. If the likes of Elmo and Taylor are going then either younger players with potential or someone who's going to challenge for a 1st team place.
Agreed.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 21, 2021, 05:51:04 PM
I guess whether you think he's got loads of credibility is up to you, but he seems closer to the club than, say, a national reporter.

Every one of us is far closer to the club than a national reporter. And as we read every day on here, that's not a great claim to credibility ...

Preece is no better nor worse than any of the frequent commenters here. The downside is that because he squirts-out his uninformed opinions fourteen times a day (it feels like) his percentage accuracy is very, very, very, very low. That's just how the law of large numbers works ... most of what he says proves to be cack.

Really great to see the word cack back in use. I've missed it a lot since school 👍.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 21, 2021, 07:00:38 PM
I dunno...last player we signed from Poland was Tonev.


 :-\ :-\
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 21, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
He was Bulgarian, played in Poland, and aimed for outer space.

made me chuckle 🤭
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2021, 07:17:43 PM
Ashley Preece knows fuck all.  He is a kid who works for a click-bait rag who can hardly string two spoken words together.

No allegiance to him, and I don't bother with the Birmingham Mail as it is basically 95% pushy advertising / clickbait, but that bit stroke me as somewhat harsh and not really needed.
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Post by: john2710 on May 21, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
I’m not sure we’ll be in for Tammy, especially at £40m. We need another forward, but I doubt it will be anyone at that price. But if we can afford Tammy, I’d take him.

I’d rather that sort of money is spent on a wide player & defensive midfielder who will go straight into the first team.

With younger players coming in as backup winger, creative midfield, centre-half, left back & centre forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 22, 2021, 08:17:54 AM
A few places in Scotland are saying that we are looking at Celtic midfielder David Turnbull, for around 7M.

Can't say I've ever seen him play.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 22, 2021, 09:48:58 AM
I have watched him a few times on TV, a good player and a bright spot in a dark season for Celtic. A lot of Celtic players leaving, so they might fight to keep Turnbull
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Post by: Ads on May 22, 2021, 02:50:49 PM
Barca selling everybody. Skint pricks.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 22, 2021, 03:06:56 PM
Barca selling everybody. Skint pricks.

Yet Deloitte have them down as the richest club in the world.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 22, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
I have watched him a few times on TV, a good player and a bright spot in a dark season for Celtic. A lot of Celtic players leaving, so they might fight to keep Turnbull

I'd take Odsonne Edouard off Celtic for £20m and send Wesley up there for a year to get in some match practice.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2021, 04:39:09 PM
One area where it makes sense to make more development signings is at the back.

Any FB signing we'll make will have to bide their time behind Cash and Targett and just play league cup for first part of the season unless there are injuries and rightly so given the seasons those two have had (Targett is simply a different player for much of what he served up in 19/20). And for CB makes sense to get a Konsa type in who you'd look to develop over 6-18 month period as Ez did considering Engels was more of a starter in first 4 months of last seasons.

I would like to think though further forward we sign ready made players to go straight into the first 11. Makes zero sense to sign another up and coming midfielder when we already have Ramsey and Carney around and I'd say same for upfront given Louie Barry is coming through.

Interesting for me how much sharper Ollie has looked after he's had breathers this season. I thought he was really struggling over xmas, Man. United away he was second to pretty much every 50/50 in that second half and wasn't scoring much either. Comes back after the covid break and hits nice scoring run. After the one match ban he's looked very good at Palace and Spurs.

Shows we don't have to run him into the ground and giving him a rest every 6 weeks isn't a bad tactic for long run, I think McGinn would massively benefit from the same aswell rather than keeping him on the pitch for every single minute of every game.

Hopefully with the signings we make DS will have more confidence to do that next season given his reluctance to put on someone like Davis until 15 minutes before the end so that's why I really hope we add two proven players in final third rather than just projects.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2021, 04:49:04 PM
In Preece's defence, he did say we'd be looking to improve key positions, which to me will cost a considerable amount of money, but also that Smith believes the first eleven are a match for anyone and it's about improving that. Also, he mentioned they want to strike while Spuds and Arsenal are flailing. It's a huge summer and what we do in it will set the tone for years to come - personally I would be looking at bigger names but none have really been mooted. Surprised the Tammy link has been dismissed, but Smith wants us to press and they don't rate Abraham in that regard.

Looks like the target will be 7th/8th next season which is fair enough and more realistic than trying to get 6th or above.

For all the euphoria in how we've played at times we're still finishing bottom half so that's the realistic part of it although we will surely finish top half next season if we get 50 + points.

Main issue I have with the "11 a match for anyone in league comment" is it's near impossible to keep them all on the pitch for even 95% of the season. In 19/20 we had two season ending injuries in January in key positions and McGinn would've been third but for interruption and just missed Jack for a third of the season so we need more depth and confidence in players to come in and keep our level up when that happens.

Hause wasn't seen as premier league standard defender 12 months back and he's been excellent in 5-6 games so to me that's what we need, sort that can come in and do effective job and allow Ollie and SJM to sit out at times as a rest for game or two means we can get more out of them at business end of season.

Don't really see logic in having to replace every single player we let go. I mean we could just replace Hourihane and Nakamba with Carney being promoted into first team squad and we still have plenty of other midfielders who can fit in centrally, same with signing a player who can play one of full back positions and also at CB.

Seems a very Villa thing to do in last 20 years of letting 5-6 go....and just signing another 5-6 of o.k quality and then we run into same problems in 18 months time of not enough quality depth rather than getting in 2-3 big hitters.
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Post by: Dave P on May 22, 2021, 05:05:48 PM
I have watched him a few times on TV, a good player and a bright spot in a dark season for Celtic. A lot of Celtic players leaving, so they might fight to keep Turnbull

I'd take Odsonne Edouard off Celtic for £20m and send Wesley up there for a year to get in some match practice.

This actually sounds quite sensible.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 22, 2021, 05:15:31 PM
I have watched him a few times on TV, a good player and a bright spot in a dark season for Celtic. A lot of Celtic players leaving, so they might fight to keep Turnbull

I'd take Odsonne Edouard off Celtic for £20m and send Wesley up there for a year to get in some match practice.

You will get him for less than 20million
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 22, 2021, 05:44:38 PM
I have watched him a few times on TV, a good player and a bright spot in a dark season for Celtic. A lot of Celtic players leaving, so they might fight to keep Turnbull

I'd take Odsonne Edouard off Celtic for £20m and send Wesley up there for a year to get in some match practice.

You will get him for less than 20million

I know but with just 12 months left on his contract there will be plenty of competition, sometimes you have to show a bit of financial muscle. Leicester and Arsenal are known to be interested and there no doubt will be others.
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Post by: astonvilla82 on May 22, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
Went into a mood because he couldn't get a move from Celtic this season,
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2021, 11:26:31 PM
Leicester are close to signing him apparently given he played for Rodgers for a few seasons. Also want Soumare who's a DM for Lille.

There you go, team who have won the cup and can still get top 4 if we hold Chelsea and they win and they are continuing to strengthen while they're good so we'll need that mentality in next 5 years rather than just thinking one top level striker in the squad is enough.

Leicester could potentially have three in their one next season and until three months back they just played Vardy upfront.
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Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2021, 11:54:11 PM
Leicester are close to signing him apparently given he played for Rodgers for a few seasons. Also want Soumare who's a DM for Lille.

There you go, team who have won the cup and can still get top 4 if we hold Chelsea and they win and they are continuing to strengthen while they're good so we'll need that mentality in next 5 years rather than just thinking one top level striker in the squad is enough.

Leicester could potentially have three in their one next season and until three months back they just played Vardy upfront.

Bottom bit is true but Iheanacho would've been written off by a huge amount of people after 9 goals in 71 league games before this season.
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Post by: Risso on May 23, 2021, 01:08:38 AM
Leicester are close to signing him apparently given he played for Rodgers for a few seasons. Also want Soumare who's a DM for Lille.

There you go, team who have won the cup and can still get top 4 if we hold Chelsea and they win and they are continuing to strengthen while they're good so we'll need that mentality in next 5 years rather than just thinking one top level striker in the squad is enough.

Leicester could potentially have three in their one next season and until three months back they just played Vardy upfront.

Bottom bit is true but Iheanacho would've been written off by a huge amount of people after 9 goals in 71 league games before this season.

Were they all against us, or did it just seem that way?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2021, 01:24:32 AM
Leicester are close to signing him apparently given he played for Rodgers for a few seasons. Also want Soumare who's a DM for Lille.

There you go, team who have won the cup and can still get top 4 if we hold Chelsea and they win and they are continuing to strengthen while they're good so we'll need that mentality in next 5 years rather than just thinking one top level striker in the squad is enough.

Leicester could potentially have three in their one next season and until three months back they just played Vardy upfront.

Bottom bit is true but Iheanacho would've been written off by a huge amount of people after 9 goals in 71 league games before this season.

Yes he's coming good with a hot streak out of nowhere. I suppose with Leicester it's a bit like the same with us and having Ollie, a number one striker who rarely gets rotated as they're too crucial to the gameplan so how do you keep a backup happy.

Iheanacho was signed by them in summer 2017 which surprised me so he's had to bide his time for quite a while. Being in europa as a minimum helps aswell so more chance to rotate in that and league cup up to xmas.

Difficult one but just hoping Wes can come good next season is a bit optimistic I think and would still loan Davis out for six months.
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Post by: algy on May 23, 2021, 10:07:56 AM
Iheanacho was signed by them in summer 2017 which surprised me so he's had to bide his time for quite a while. Being in europa as a minimum helps aswell so more chance to rotate in that and league cup up to xmas.
I think this is the thing, we need to be in Europe if we want a squad full of decent quality players - that's the only way you can offer your 20th best player 20-odd games a season.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Ashley Young scored for Inter today and there's the tiniest, wobbliest, most sentimental bit of my brain that thinks, you know, he wouldn't be too bad to have back for a year...
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2021, 03:00:49 PM
Ashley Young scored for Inter today and there's the tiniest, wobbliest, most sentimental bit of my brain that thinks, you know, he wouldn't be too bad to have back for a year...

He's done well in Serie A. Rumour is Watford is where he wants to finish his career with his contract up.

Aside from diving I have a lot of respect for Young. One of those players you can certainly say maximised their ability for whole of their career.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2021, 03:03:31 PM
And I'd certainly have even more respect for him if he did finish up back at Watford. Would be classy.
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Post by: algy on May 23, 2021, 04:23:05 PM
And I'd certainly have even more respect for him if he did finish up back at Watford. Would be classy.
I'd always thought, if I had any footballing ability whatsoever - first, I'd play for Villa for as long as my talents allowed, second once I passed that point then I'd presumably be well enough off that I'd not specifically need money I'd just play for clubs I quite liked whilst I still looked amazing at whatever level they played at ... a bit like Lee Trundle has in Wales.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 04:41:37 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2021, 04:45:29 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 05:07:31 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2021, 05:19:02 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.

We're 2-0 up and for all their possession in the first half I don't think that scoreline flatters us. The strength on the respective benches shows the difference but 11 vs 11 I don't think there's much between the teams. As I said, we had "nothing to play for" and they are playing for a champions league place, they were always going to start strong and press us, we needed to ride that out and then get into it, which is exactly what we've done.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 23, 2021, 06:09:39 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.

We're 2-0 up and for all their possession in the first half I don't think that scoreline flatters us. The strength on the respective benches shows the difference but 11 vs 11 I don't think there's much between the teams. As I said, we had "nothing to play for" and they are playing for a champions league place, they were always going to start strong and press us, we needed to ride that out and then get into it, which is exactly what we've done.
disagree. Chelsea move the ball with speed and precision, they just don’t have a cutting edge. We have too many players that can not do that and had to cover so much ground to compete.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.

We're 2-0 up and for all their possession in the first half I don't think that scoreline flatters us. The strength on the respective benches shows the difference but 11 vs 11 I don't think there's much between the teams. As I said, we had "nothing to play for" and they are playing for a champions league place, they were always going to start strong and press us, we needed to ride that out and then get into it, which is exactly what we've done.
disagree. Chelsea move the ball with speed and precision, they just don’t have a cutting edge. We have too many players that can not do that and had to cover so much ground to compete.


We won.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2021, 06:13:16 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

Don’t think we are going to be a team who can dominate possession against better opposition, more a really effective counter-attacking team like were earlier in the season.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 23, 2021, 06:15:18 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.

We're 2-0 up and for all their possession in the first half I don't think that scoreline flatters us. The strength on the respective benches shows the difference but 11 vs 11 I don't think there's much between the teams. As I said, we had "nothing to play for" and they are playing for a champions league place, they were always going to start strong and press us, we needed to ride that out and then get into it, which is exactly what we've done.
disagree. Chelsea move the ball with speed and precision, they just don’t have a cutting edge. We have too many players that can not do that and had to cover so much ground to compete.


We won.
Yes and I am delighted, just discussing the difference between us and a CL team.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
Whatever makes you happy.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2021, 06:16:52 PM
Obviously Chelsea are better than us in the grand scheme of things, but today proved that when Deano says we can beat anyone on our day, you know, he has a point.
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Post by: Smithy on May 23, 2021, 06:20:58 PM
Obviously Chelsea are better than us in the grand scheme of things, but today proved that when Deano says we can beat anyone on our day, you know, he has a point.

That's the bit I like most about this team.  I genuinely believe we can beat anyone on our day.  We're still very inconsistent, and keep throwing in 5/10 performances, but that's to be expected as we progress.

We need to hold the ball better against the better teams, some of that is improving the personnel, some of it comes from belief, which will be orders of magnitude higher going into next season.

A couple of top-notch additions and I'm looking forward to a proper go at the European places next season.
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Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2021, 06:30:26 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

partly true but it also shows they have a champions league place to play for and we're playing for pride.

Yes of course, but even if they weren't and we had something more to play for there is a gulf in class that years of spending big creates. We have entirely reconstructed the back four over the past couple of seasons and it for me is now top 6, even top 4. Up front we are very good in our primary player but have little if anything to challenge or in terms of depth. Jack aside, SJM sometimes the rest of the midfield is mid table. You put 2 or 3 top players in the middle we will just keep the ball better and move it much faster and anticipate the opponents thoughts at a higher level. But after year 2 it's been progress and still allows for much room for improvement.

We're 2-0 up and for all their possession in the first half I don't think that scoreline flatters us. The strength on the respective benches shows the difference but 11 vs 11 I don't think there's much between the teams. As I said, we had "nothing to play for" and they are playing for a champions league place, they were always going to start strong and press us, we needed to ride that out and then get into it, which is exactly what we've done.


disagree. Chelsea move the ball with speed and precision, they just don’t have a cutting edge. We have too many players that can not do that and had to cover so much ground to compete.


Moving the ball with speed and precision or winning a game with energy and effort is about style not quality. We did  Liverpool with exactly the sort of football you describe (and Arsenal, and a few others) but it wasn't what was needed today. Given how critical people have been about Smith not having a plan b I'd have thought us being able to beat teams with good football or with energy and workrate would be a positive.


As I said the difference between us and the top 4 is depth, they had £200m of players on the bench, our entire squad for today cost no more than that. Sustaining a big squad where the drop in quality isn't so big is very hard without Champions League money and the extra games to give fringe players 15-20 games a season.
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Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2021, 06:42:58 PM
I think there is a point about striving to dominate possession or at least to play in a higher average position on the pitch. I want to be able to see us pin a team inside their own third for periods of games (not just when we're going last-ditch gung-ho for a winner/equaliser), and to have our players confident with the ball at their feet and not going backwards or reluctant to shift to their weaker foot. Only Jack and Ollie can do that consistently of our lot.
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Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2021, 06:43:34 PM
Athletico Madrid have shown how to beat the ball huggers over the course of a season, that's our template. Angry, heavy metal football without the ball, with Jack singing sweet ballads when we've got it.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 23, 2021, 06:46:48 PM
I think our defence is very close to being Champions League standard.
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Post by: SaddVillan on May 23, 2021, 07:04:32 PM
Well, it's up to Johan Lang  and his gang now to add to the squad and improve it.

A top recruitment plan involves identifying your transfer targets good and early and getting the new players in ASAP after the window opens so they have plenty of time to bed in before the season starts.

Having seen what we did last year, for once I'm pretty confident that we have a list of targets drawn up and won't be scratching around at the last minute.

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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2021, 07:12:26 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

Jorginho and Kovacic were rubbish for them I thought. One should've been sent off for all the fouls he did, other was awful and gave away the penalty. Kante is the one world class player in their midfield (although Mount's well on the way with his form last few months, just couldn't finish today).

If those two were offered to us, I wouldn't sign them.

I think a bigger problem is just thinking consistantly we're not as good on the day as them. Think you saw that in first 20 minutes, just constantly hanging off trying to win the ball or push forward in fear of conceding. One we started to grow from that point I thought we were the better team until we went 2 up and just sat back which was fair enough.

On other days we'd be 1 or 2 down after first 20 and it's very tough to even get a point v top teams in that situation and DS would've been doing one of those "we showed them far too much respect at start of game" interviews.

Liverpool was classic case of you have a go at the start and it might surprise you how easily top teams can make errors and give away cheap goals.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2021, 07:19:52 PM
We need better midfield players and wingers. Today’s game is highlighting the gap to the top of the tree if we weren’t aware already.

Jorginho and Kovacic were rubbish for them I thought. One should've been sent off for all the fouls he did, other was awful and gave away the penalty. Kante is the one world class player in their midfield (although Mount's well on the way with his form last few months, just couldn't finish today).

If those two were offered to us, I wouldn't sign them.

I think a bigger problem is just thinking consistantly we're not as good on the day as them. Think you saw that in first 20 minutes, just constantly hanging off trying to win the ball or push forward in fear of conceding. One we started to grow from that point I thought we were the better team until we went 2 up and just sat back which was fair enough.

On other days we'd be 1 or 2 down after first 20 and it's very tough to even get a point v top teams in that situation and DS would've been doing one of those "we showed them far too much respect at start of game" interviews.

Liverpool was classic case of you have a go at the start and it might surprise you how easily top teams can make errors and give away cheap goals.

I thought McGinn turning Kovacic over was a bit of a turning point midway through the first half. Jorginho was booked a couple of minutes later.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2021, 07:25:11 PM
I think you have a good point SHQ.  Attitude plays a really important part of the game.  I guess confidence does too but our have a go attitude has been refreshing this season.  I suspect things may change with fans coming back, away games harder to win, but hopefully, we bring in a couple of high quality players who add even more to our make-up.  It's nice to say out loud, I support Aston Villa and no-one around you giggles.  I hope over time, those same people gulp!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2021, 07:29:30 PM
Athletico Madrid have shown how to beat the ball huggers over the course of a season, that's our template. Angry, heavy metal football without the ball, with Jack singing sweet ballads when we've got it.

It does help when you have an angry, heavy metal manager. Who’s a little bit fucking mad.
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Post by: Sdwbvf on May 23, 2021, 08:10:01 PM
I think you have a good point SHQ.  Attitude plays a really important part of the game.  I guess confidence does too but our have a go attitude has been refreshing this season.  I suspect things may change with fans coming back, away games harder to win, but hopefully, we bring in a couple of high quality players who add even more to our make-up.  It's nice to say out loud, I support Aston Villa and no-one around you giggles.  I hope over time, those same people gulp!

My daughter is saying it in school in South London and getting respect which is great - she could so easilyhave ended up as a Chelsea fan. I just got pity in the eighties.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2021, 08:19:47 AM
Tony Cascarino informs the world that Spurs will go for Ollie when Kane leaves.  Like they stand any chance whatsoever and are taken seriously enough in the world of Aston Villa for that to happen.  Roll over Villa, let's just give him away!!
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 24, 2021, 08:54:00 AM
...like the europa vauxhall conference league is an attraction.
Cascarino is a sh-t pundit with no voice as his paymasters (who have an esl 6 club agenda) tell him what to say.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 24, 2021, 08:55:27 AM
Sadly Tony is a total bellend.
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Post by: Eckybloke on May 24, 2021, 08:58:25 AM
It’s not an easy deal for Spurs to make. They could try to offload Glassankles Kane to us as a makeweight but it would still be £75-100m coming our way. Don’t think they can really afford that.

😉
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Post by: mr underhill on May 24, 2021, 09:01:37 AM
Signing that moneybags six year deal is going to scupper any deal for Kane. 28, £300k plus a week and ankles not fit for purpose. Avoid.
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Post by: London Villan on May 24, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
So many uninformed journalists. There is a very small chance Jack will go, but judging by his reaction at the end of the game it's highly unlikely as he isn't thinking about leaving. So, other than him, there isn't a player in the squad that will be sold unless we want to move them on. Conor, Elmo, Engels and Heaton immediately spring to mind.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2021, 09:25:05 AM
I would hope we have a few of the clubs above us running scared. We have known for a long time that will be in this division next season so I'm sure we will have lined up targets well in advance. Dean will want them in early to bed in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on May 24, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
Tony Cascarino informs the world that Spurs will go for Ollie when Kane leaves.  Like they stand any chance whatsoever and are taken seriously enough in the world of Aston Villa for that to happen.  Roll over Villa, let's just give him away!!

I'll be honest, it was my concern as soon as I heard the news Kane might be off (I still think there might be an element of him looking for a payrise/ forcing Levy to invest in the team).

Tottingham were one of the sides interested last year, which is part of the reason negotiations dragged on as long as they did.  But ultimately they viewed him as a backup option. 

Not sure I'd take anything Can'tscoreino says as gospel, mind.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kipeye on May 24, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
I think you have a good point SHQ.  Attitude plays a really important part of the game.  I guess confidence does too but our have a go attitude has been refreshing this season.  I suspect things may change with fans coming back, away games harder to win, but hopefully, we bring in a couple of high quality players who add even more to our make-up.  It's nice to say out loud, I support Aston Villa and no-one around you giggles.  I hope over time, those same people gulp!

My daughter is saying it in school in South London and getting respect which is great - she could so easilyhave ended up as a Chelsea fan. I just got pity in the eighties.
Not too long ago I was amongst the Everton fans watching them beat us 4-0. It was so bad none of them took the piss and seemed simply embarrassed for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2021, 09:34:47 AM
One of the best WSC front covers ever was the Cascarino signs for Celtic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 24, 2021, 10:03:00 AM
Another 4 as good as Watkins Emmi Bert and Cash will take us to the next level. Come on Johan do your stuff
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
Tony Cascarino informs the world that Spurs will go for Ollie when Kane leaves.  Like they stand any chance whatsoever and are taken seriously enough in the world of Aston Villa for that to happen.  Roll over Villa, let's just give him away!!

Made me smile when I saw it on the BBC this morning, more chance of me signing for Spurs. It would be more credible if it was Konsa, who's a Tottenham fan, there might be a 0.1% chance of that happening.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
I think Watkins to Spurs or Leicester are obvious links for reporters to make.  But we've absolutely no reason to sell and I don't see Watkins kicking up a fuss after the faith we've put in him and the season he's had.  I'm sure it's a non story.

Jack to Spurs or Arsenal also has to be a non story, surely the step up wouldn't be enough to tempt him.  I'm amazed at the deluded Arsenal fans who seem to think it's likely.  I think If City come in with a big offer, that's where the danger lies as it's guaranteed trophies.  I think he'd also be temped by Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea, but hopefully not enough to not give us another season to see where we get to.     
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2021, 11:45:19 AM
I think Watkins to Spurs or Leicester are obvious links for reporters to make.  But we've absolutely no reason to sell and I don't see Watkins kicking up a fuss after the faith we've put in him and the season he's had.  I'm sure it's a non story.

Jack to Spurs or Arsenal also has to be a non story, surely the step up wouldn't be enough to tempt him.  I'm amazed at the deluded Arsenal fans who seem to think it's likely.  I think If City come in with a big offer, that's where the danger lies as it's guaranteed trophies.  I think he'd also be temped by Liverpool, Man U or Chelsea, but hopefully not enough to not give us another season to see where we get to.   

I think it's Spurs and Arsenal who will have more problems keeping hold of their best players this summer. Kane wants out and will Son stay around? Saka and Tierney will have admirers too. Tierney in particular has had a fine season and City seem to have a spot on their left side available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on May 24, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
IF Jack moves it will be to play Champs League - not battle it out with us for European places. Neither Spurs or Arsenal could afford him anyway.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 12:03:39 PM
Our players love playing here, it's obvious the team spirit we have and the improvement is clear to see. I'm pretty sure there will be one or two who are nervous about their place as first choice but they won't get better than the Villa. We've got our better players tied down to long contracts so if there is anyone wanting to bid they will have to offer way more than market value to get them.

Our concern just has to be with who will come in to improve us and with our Manager and CEO suggesting we should be excited etc then it all bodes well.

A striker, a wide player, (and/or someone creative) a centre midfielder are surely the priority.

Then we need to look at who may be leaving at the end of their contract and others who may feel they want first team football but won't get it. So Elmo, Engels, Heaton, Taylor will all be going and I'd think that will be that (other than Barkley who wasn't our anyway). Guilbert is the one question mark for me about whether or not he'll stay/want to stay etc.

We've some good youth coming through, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace, Kessler, Revans, Young may all make some appearances too (albeit just Cup matches for some of them).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2021, 01:15:32 PM
One thing I am not looking forward to this summer on Twitter whenever the club posts something on any topic is a group of bell ends posting “Announce xxxx”. It’s already started. That and “Have we signed anyone yet?”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 24, 2021, 01:33:46 PM
Well they are leaving it a bit late. Season starts in August. Pre-season in July. We want everyone in before then so they can integrate with the squad during pre-season. Plus we have EU2021 so we need players in to cover those who will come back late from that. About time the club stopped being so amateurish frankly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 24, 2021, 01:34:34 PM
The Athletic are reporting that Villa, Arsenal and an unnamed European club are battling it out for Buendia. Norwich are willing to sell but for £40m minimum.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 01:36:17 PM
The Athletic are reporting that Villa, Arsenal and an unnamed European club are battling it out for Buendia. Norwich are willing to sell but for £40m minimum.

BIDDING WAARRRRR
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 01:38:26 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on May 24, 2021, 01:38:43 PM
The Athletic are reporting that Villa, Arsenal and an unnamed European club are battling it out for Buendia. Norwich are willing to sell but for £40m minimum.

BIDDING WAARRRRR

Norwich are bracing themselves while others are preparing
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2021, 01:41:52 PM
Our players love playing here, it's obvious the team spirit we have and the improvement is clear to see. I'm pretty sure there will be one or two who are nervous about their place as first choice but they won't get better than the Villa. We've got our better players tied down to long contracts so if there is anyone wanting to bid they will have to offer way more than market value to get them.

Our concern just has to be with who will come in to improve us and with our Manager and CEO suggesting we should be excited etc then it all bodes well.

A striker, a wide player, (and/or someone creative) a centre midfielder are surely the priority.

Then we need to look at who may be leaving at the end of their contract and others who may feel they want first team football but won't get it. So Elmo, Engels, Heaton, Taylor will all be going and I'd think that will be that (other than Barkley who wasn't our anyway). Guilbert is the one question mark for me about whether or not he'll stay/want to stay etc.

We've some good youth coming through, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace, Kessler, Revans, Young may all make some appearances too (albeit just Cup matches for some of them).

Engels has said he wants to fight for his spot in an interview in Belgium a week or so back, I think he'll stay.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 01:48:05 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)
I think Leicester will sell Tielemans this summer and that's it.

If Maddison was to go I suspect it would be £50m + and we're not in that market yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 01:51:48 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)
I think Leicester will sell Tielemans this summer and that's it.

If Maddison was to go I suspect it would be £50m + and we're not in that market yet.

I think you'll find that we are about to be. And Maddison would be a great start.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
Our players love playing here, it's obvious the team spirit we have and the improvement is clear to see. I'm pretty sure there will be one or two who are nervous about their place as first choice but they won't get better than the Villa. We've got our better players tied down to long contracts so if there is anyone wanting to bid they will have to offer way more than market value to get them.

Our concern just has to be with who will come in to improve us and with our Manager and CEO suggesting we should be excited etc then it all bodes well.

A striker, a wide player, (and/or someone creative) a centre midfielder are surely the priority.

Then we need to look at who may be leaving at the end of their contract and others who may feel they want first team football but won't get it. So Elmo, Engels, Heaton, Taylor will all be going and I'd think that will be that (other than Barkley who wasn't our anyway). Guilbert is the one question mark for me about whether or not he'll stay/want to stay etc.

We've some good youth coming through, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace, Kessler, Revans, Young may all make some appearances too (albeit just Cup matches for some of them).

Engels has said he wants to fight for his spot in an interview in Belgium a week or so back, I think he'll stay.

I expect that someone who's career has gone Olympiakos - Brugge - Reims - Premier League is probably quite happy to see that contract play out. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 01:54:23 PM
Well absolutely, he's a fantastic player.  Don't see it myself but I'd be delighted if we signed him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 02:00:33 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)
I think Leicester will sell Tielemans this summer and that's it.

If Maddison was to go I suspect it would be £50m + and we're not in that market yet.

With our owners wealth, we might be.  :) Would also try and get Alaine Saint Maximin from Geordies and for the experience, a bid for the 30 year old N'golo Kante.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on May 24, 2021, 02:07:01 PM
I only heard half of that 606 call, what was the problem, that Maddison was smiling when he came on or something like that?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
I only heard half of that 606 call, what was the problem, that Maddison was smiling when he came on or something like that?

Yes, that was about it, apparently he was seen laughing with a few Spuds players after the game as his team mates were shattered because they did not qualify for the Champions League. Plus breaking the lockdown rules a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 24, 2021, 02:14:15 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?


He has a cocky swagger , but he is a good player , would be great with Jack
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Alex77 on May 24, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?

I read this and thought you were calling Baldy a dickhead. Until I read the whole page and understood the context, I thought you were being a bit harsh!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 02:19:36 PM
I'd worry that they'd get each other into trouble!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 02:19:53 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?
Maddison?  I thought he was generally highly regarded?  He certainly come accross well in interviews bright, enthusiastic and knowledgable.  I'd love him at the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?

I read this and thought you were calling Baldy a dickhead. Until I read the whole page and understood the context, I thought you were being a bit harsh!

Ha! Just to clarify, Baldy, I was referring to Maddison!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?
Maddison?  I thought he was generally highly regarded?  He certainly come accross well in interviews bright, enthusiastic and knowledgable.  I'd love him at the Villa.

He's got himself into trouble several times over the last couple of years. I know we have someone similar, but that would be the worry for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on May 24, 2021, 02:23:11 PM
I only heard half of that 606 call, what was the problem, that Maddison was smiling when he came on or something like that?

Yes, that was about it, apparently he was seen laughing with a few Spuds players after the game as his team mates were shattered because they did not qualify for the Champions League. Plus breaking the lockdown rules a few weeks ago.

Right, thanks. Lol the "he doesn't care" wailing makes much more sense now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 02:23:31 PM
Grealish, Watkins, Maddison, Abraham, Traore....

Tasty.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on May 24, 2021, 02:37:20 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Even I won’t mind if we finish in the top six though
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on May 24, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
The Athletic are reporting that Villa, Arsenal and an unnamed European club are battling it out for Buendia. Norwich are willing to sell but for £40m minimum.

BIDDING WAARRRRR

Norwich are bracing themselves while others are preparing

Will our owners dig in to the warchest?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 02:41:45 PM
Was listening to 606 last night and a Leicester fan was slating James Maddison, apparently his attitude in recent weeks has not been great.

With Vardy fading, other players aging, UEFA Cup next year I reckon Leicester could flatter to deceive next season. Along with Spuds, Arse, Everton, Leeds, West Ham these are the teams we should be looking to surpass next year.

Get a bid in for Maddison, aged 24, born in Coventry, good mates with Jack and would tick a lot of boxes for us. Great replacement when and if, Jack needs uploading!! Would damage Leicester in the process which would be cool.

















What do ye reckon?  :)

Aren't we supposed to have a 'no dickheads' policy?

I read this and thought you were calling Baldy a dickhead. Until I read the whole page and understood the context, I thought you were being a bit harsh!

Ha! Just to clarify, Baldy, I was referring to Maddison!

No problem, I am a dickhead.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2021, 02:43:50 PM
With Kane going to Manchester why not bid for Son if we've a decent amount to spend? Would be close to being a 'statement' signing and him and Watkins would keep defences very busy. If nothing else the prospect would piss off Spurs fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 03:29:59 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Eh?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Eh?

Just, like, there are other countries to sign players from, many of whom won't cost three times what they should
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Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2021, 03:38:21 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

English players are a bit more technically astute these days though, it's hardly Luke Young and Nigel Reo-Coker again
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 24, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
With Kane going to Manchester why not bid for Son if we've a decent amount to spend? Would be close to being a 'statement' signing and him and Watkins would keep defences very busy. If nothing else the prospect would piss off Spurs fans.
Would be amazing to get Son. A fantastically consistent performer and regular goalscorer.

Hardworking and certainly puts a shift in - which is clearly something that is expected of front players by Smith.

He would also cover our need for a striker/attacking wide player (IMO). Though Transfer Markt has him valued at £76.5m, do people think he is a realistic target?

I imagine the owners would be aware of his value in terms of global appeal.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 03:40:57 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Eh?


Just, like, there are other countries to sign players from, many of whom won't cost three times what they should

Of course, but the ones I've suggested are good, young and getting better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

English players are a bit more technically astute these days though, it's hardly Luke Young and Nigel Reo-Coker again

Obviously, I was being a bit facetious, MON would never have signed Jack let alone built the world around him. I just don't want us to fall into the same trap.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2021, 03:42:05 PM
With Kane going to Manchester why not bid for Son if we've a decent amount to spend? Would be close to being a 'statement' signing and him and Watkins would keep defences very busy. If nothing else the prospect would piss off Spurs fans.
Would be amazing to get Son. A fantastically consistent performer and regular goalscorer.

Hardworking and certainly puts a shift in - which is clearly something that is expected of front players by Smith.

He would also cover our need for a striker/attacking wide player (IMO). Though Transfer Markt has him valued at £76.5m, do people think he is a realistic target?

I imagine the owners would be aware of his value in terms of global appeal.



To be honest, I'd be happy with just lobbing them a series of derisory bids for various players without ever seriously intending to buy, just for the crack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

English players are a bit more technically astute these days though, it's hardly Luke Young and Nigel Reo-Coker again

Obviously, I was being a bit facetious, MON would never have signed Jack let alone built the world around him. I just don't want us to fall into the same trap.

We've got a solid group and a team mentality. It can take time for players from abroad to get the game and culture. However, I do believe we've signed players, AEG and Trez as examples, who show absolutely the right attitude to the game and have improved us.

Leicester are a sum of their parts rather than having outstanding individuals. We're doing the same and we're lucky we've a superstar as part of that team ethic.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 24, 2021, 04:09:47 PM
With Kane going to Manchester why not bid for Son if we've a decent amount to spend? Would be close to being a 'statement' signing and him and Watkins would keep defences very busy. If nothing else the prospect would piss off Spurs fans.
Would be amazing to get Son. A fantastically consistent performer and regular goalscorer.

Hardworking and certainly puts a shift in - which is clearly something that is expected of front players by Smith.

He would also cover our need for a striker/attacking wide player (IMO). Though Transfer Markt has him valued at £76.5m, do people think he is a realistic target?

I imagine the owners would be aware of his value in terms of global appeal.



To be honest, I'd be happy with just lobbing them a series of derisory bids for various players without ever seriously intending to buy, just for the crack.
We should have someone employed by the club who's job it is to ring them up every day and offer them 3 tins of Aldi chopped tomatoes and a photocopy of a signed Jack Grealish photograph in exchange for their entire first team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 04:11:44 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 04:13:42 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

This is massively true.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 04:14:36 PM
I don't understand why we'd spend so much time and energy beefing up our recruitment team, and why we employed the DOF that we did, if we were going to go out and sign the best players at PL clubs that we play twice per season, and see every match they play as a quotidian extension of our prevailing football culture.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

This is massively true.

It is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 24, 2021, 04:16:05 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

 
I agree.  We're in the market of buying Barcelona, Real Madrid, and Juventus' best players off them.  Skint pricks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 24, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2021, 04:33:30 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

This is massively true.

It is.

It is, in Son's case especially. But these are not normal times, and many of the usual suitors are in utter financial dire straights. There is room for those with full pockets to take advantage, above and beyond what would be normally accepted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Eh?

Just, like, there are other countries to sign players from, many of whom won't cost three times what they should

MON also wouldn’t have had a bloke like Lange heading up his recruitment. Rather it would have sent chain smoker John Robertson out there to find our newest reserve right back for £8m
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdward on May 24, 2021, 04:38:10 PM
I agree we are not in the market to cherry pick the best players from the best PL teams, as more than likely they won't join us anyway.

But then i think about Fabrizio Ravanelli who in 1996 had just won the European Cup with Juventus, and then joined Middlesbrough!

I don't want us to have the highest paid player in the PL, as i think it would cause too much disruption, but we can certainly aim high.
Sell them the dream Deano.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 04:41:03 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited' at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2021, 04:42:48 PM
We're not Baldy, seriously.  Let this one go for now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 04:43:39 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited'at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)

He looks to have burned his bridges with Southgate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited'at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)

He looks to have burned his bridges with Southgate.

I reckon not tucking in your shirt would be enough with Southgate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2021, 04:52:51 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited'at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)

He looks to have burned his bridges with Southgate.

I reckon not tucking in your shirt would be enough with Southgate.
pulling out the squad to then be seen out at night in a casino didnt do him any favours
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 24, 2021, 05:14:48 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited' at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)

When did Dean say this?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.

If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 24, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
I'd sign:

Buendia - £35m
De Arrascaeta - £30m
Belotti - £30m

And a hard bastard in cm plus a full back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 24, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.
Would you think someone to come in as Trez is injured and a striker of known repute to supplement Watkins.
We can't have Davis and Wes as our back up and squad competition if we're looking for top 6 placings

So like 2 forward roles attacking players as well as what you have mentioned
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 24, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Real Madrid are willing to listen to offers for Eden Hazard apparently.

 8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on May 24, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
Real Madrid are willing to listen to offers for Eden Hazard apparently.  8)

Thanks for the information. In that case I'd hope Lange has an in-depth file on 23-year old Luka Jovic not 30/31-year old Hazard.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 24, 2021, 05:42:31 PM
Speaking of Real Madrid players Gareth Bale has said it would cause chaos if he announced where he playing next season

I putting the feelers out but haven't heard as yet about where he's off too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
We have some of the wealthiest owners in the world and Deano has said 'fans will be excited' at our transfer plans this summer. 

We are in that market.

We need to think big to be big.  :) If Maddison is dragging his heels at Leicester, that is sending a message. Perhaps Jack, Tyrone and Ollie should give him a message on English duty (it's how the ESL wannabees do it).  :)

When did Dean say this?

About two weeks ago. Can't remember which publication (read so many) but his words were along the lines 'I am excited by the transfer plans and I expect our supporters will be'.

Will try and find it but don't hold your breath.  :)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2021, 05:45:54 PM
Speaking of Real Madrid players Gareth Bale has said it would cause chaos if he announced where he playing next season

I putting the feelers out but haven't heard as yet about where he's off too

Surely, Footy, the mole who gave you the info on Southgate's whereabouts yesterday would be able to clear this up in seconds?!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2021, 05:46:42 PM
Speaking of Real Madrid players Gareth Bale has said it would cause chaos if he announced where he playing next season

I putting the feelers out but haven't heard as yet about where he's off too

Must be off to Arsenal, they know how to spot value in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on May 24, 2021, 05:47:54 PM
To be honest talk of the likes of Son & Maddison is a bit daft at this stage.  We just aren't going to be in that market, those clubs are not going to sell their best players to us and more importantly their best players aren't going to want to join us right now.  Maybe in a few years if our world domination plans come to fruition, but for the time being I think we're going to have to be a bit more creative.

This is massively true.

Maybe, but I don’t want to believe you

So I’m sticking my fingers in my ears and shouting nah nah nah
Whilst still looking forward to our big tent signing (or is it marquee)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2021, 05:50:36 PM
It is, in Son's case especially. But these are not normal times, and many of the usual suitors are in utter financial dire straights. There is room for those with full pockets to take advantage, above and beyond what would be normally accepted.

I don't seriously think we'd get him but this is true and no harm trying it as a 'statement' of intent and to irritate Levy/Spurs fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Baldy on May 24, 2021, 06:07:47 PM
Read it in a couple of places but this is one of them:

https://astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/should-excite-the-fans-smith-makes-villa-transfer-prediction-fans-will-like-it/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2021, 06:10:35 PM
Speaking of Real Madrid players Gareth Bale has said it would cause chaos if he announced where he playing next season

I putting the feelers out but haven't heard as yet about where he's off too

Must be off to Arsenal, they know how to spot value in the transfer market.

Really wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at Cardiff at some point, but maybe after one more move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2021, 06:18:10 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.

If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 

It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smirker on May 24, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
Read it in a couple of places but this is one of them:

https://astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/should-excite-the-fans-smith-makes-villa-transfer-prediction-fans-will-like-it/

Thank you my fellow baldy 👍
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2021, 06:37:35 PM
Yep, he wanted the Chinese move but Real blocked it. It was all over the media.

Maddison isn't out of the question, he knows we're on the up, his best buddy and now England player is here too. Of he's out of favour at Leicester we could be perfect.

As for Son, I absolutely agree that won't happen as one of the Champs League teams would have him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 24, 2021, 06:47:16 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.
If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 
It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.
Olise and Pereira would be great, and less expensive than Buendia.
Add a really commanding DMF (a la Declan Rice) and we'd be definitely much-improved. I don't know who the DMF would be though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2021, 07:24:08 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.
If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 
It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.
Olise and Pereira would be great, and less expensive than Buendia.
Add a really commanding DMF (a la Declan Rice) and we'd be definitely much-improved. I don't know who the DMF would be though.

I don't think Pereira is good enough to be the big attacking player I want us to bring in and I want it to be someone that could play as our main striker if Watkins is injured, suspended or out of form but will also be good playing wide or deeper.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on May 24, 2021, 07:43:22 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.

If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 

It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.

Eze ruptured his Achilles in training, so likely won't play again until 2022, so if he's going to remain a target, it'll be next summer at the very earliest.  Hope he makes a full recovery, he's a fun player to watch (when he's not playing against you).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2021, 07:45:38 PM
Maddison would be a great signing. Set piece specialist too would be welcome.  Yes please!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
Hm. Starting to look a bit MONish.

Eh?

Just, like, there are other countries to sign players from, many of whom won't cost three times what they should

MON also wouldn’t have had a bloke like Lange heading up his recruitment. Rather it would have sent chain smoker John Robertson out there to find our newest reserve right back for £8m

On the bright side, covid wouldn't have been a problem as MON's scouting 'team' clearly never left the fucking country.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2021, 07:54:00 PM
Not worth a new thread but Darren Bent still making money out of his time at the Villa - podcasts/Talksport appear to be fulfilling the role left vacant by after-dinner speeches...

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2021, 09:22:35 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.

If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 

It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.

It was more those type of players than the actual players themselves.  David Brooks primarily plays on the right, but can play across the attacking midfield line which is the kind of player I think we need really.   He’s had some bad luck with injuries, but hopefully he can remain fit and feature in the Euros. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 24, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Still want Saint-Maximin. Still think he's gettable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2021, 09:59:25 PM
Still want Saint-Maximin. Still think he's gettable.

Is he *that* different to Traore? Doesn't he do more or less the same thing, dribble round a couple more players and be injured a bit more?

I mean, I wouldn't be upset if we bought him. But I'm not sure we'd really be spending £30m on much of an upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
I love Saint Maximin, he looks brilliant in a shit team he'd be class for us. I'd rather have Maddison but that seems somewhat fanciful.

They'd both have the Ciaran Clark issue, admittedly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2021, 10:13:25 PM
Still want Saint-Maximin. Still think he's gettable.

Is he *that* different to Traore? Doesn't he do more or less the same thing, dribble round a couple more players and be injured a bit more?

I mean, I wouldn't be upset if we bought him. But I'm not sure we'd really be spending £30m on much of an upgrade.

He has better vision than Adama imo, can properly pick a pass. Set up a few Wilson goals since he returned from injury.

This would be dream sort of summer for me if we're looking for more high profile signings

David Neres (Ajax)- 24, Brazil international, starter for Ajax in their big european ties still and can play LW or CF. Two years left on his deal so I reckon something like 20m would get him. Ajax signed Haller for 40m in Jan so they'll have to sell a couple to pay for that.

Sergj Milenkovic-Savic (Lazio)- 25, box to box midfielder and also 6ft + (think of that Soucek guy at West Ham but more technically skilled). Scored 13 goals in Serie A a few years back and 8 this season. Lazio missed out on CL so they may well sell him and again think he has two years left on his deal. Linked to Man. United, Juventus and PSG in last few years but he's still there and Serbs usually do well and enjoy playing in premier league.

Vincius Jr (season long loan)- Seems to veer from being essential Real Madrid player (was excellent for them in first leg v Liverpool) to being derided for having little end product. Possible he'll go out on loan if Zidane leaves and they get in a big name upfront, Arsenal got Odegaard off them so you'd like to think that's the sort of deal we can eventually pull off aswell. Still only 20 but already played 82 games for Madrid.

Pull off 2 signings this summer of that standard and imo we fight for top 6 and perhaps even top 4 next season if we get off to a good start and defence performs to similar standard as we'd be very exciting in attack then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TonyD on May 24, 2021, 10:19:22 PM
Who is currently the best defensive midfielder/sweeper in the world?
That’s who we need to sign.
Then next season bring through Chucky, Barry, Young, A Ramsey and Kesler.
Job done. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2021, 10:20:18 PM
Still want Saint-Maximin. Still think he's gettable.

Is he *that* different to Traore? Doesn't he do more or less the same thing, dribble round a couple more players and be injured a bit more?

I mean, I wouldn't be upset if we bought him. But I'm not sure we'd really be spending £30m on much of an upgrade.

He has better vision than Adama imo, can properly pick a pass. Set up a few Wilson goals since he returned from injury.

I'm not all that fussed about how he compares to a Traore that *doesn't* play for us...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2021, 10:22:25 PM
I thought it was a joke referencing my annoyance at people getting names wrong? I may be being generous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2021, 10:28:44 PM
Aha too many Adama Traores, pretty sure there's one playing for Mali and a few called that in the French league.

What I meant is on the "other" Villa forum there's many on there who just think Saint Maximn is a Adama Traore clone e.g. just head down 100mph player who just whacks crosses against the first man all the time and lacks composure infront of goal. From what I've seen of ASM he has far more to his game and a pretty decent end product and he would improve us.

On a long term contract at Newcastle though so he wouldn't come cheap. Think Newcastle signed him for 18m from Nice so we need to be identifying that type in a decent european league.

Bert Traore cost that amount, he needs a pre season in how to not take 30 touches before deciding whether to pass or shot and then we have a really player on our hands given his stats have been decent for debut season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2021, 10:40:31 PM
Aha too many Adama Traores, pretty sure there's one playing for Mali and a few called that in the French league.

What I meant is on the "other" Villa forum there's many on there who just think Saint Maximn is a Adama Traore clone e.g. just head down 100mph player who just whacks crosses against the first man all the time and lacks composure infront of goal. From what I've seen of ASM he has far more to his game and a pretty decent end product and he would improve us.

On a long term contract at Newcastle though so he wouldn't come cheap. Think Newcastle signed him for 18m from Nice so we need to be identifying that type in a decent european league.

Bert Traore cost that amount, he needs a pre season in how to not take 30 touches before deciding whether to pass or shot and then we have a really player on our hands given his stats have been decent for debut season.

Which pretty much brings us full circle to the original point - doesn't he play in the basically the same way (will do three things per game which get the crowd applauding, ten things which will make the crowd angry, and one thing every ten games that will be on an end-of-season YouTube highlights reel) as OUR Traore?

I mean, he's scored six league goals for Newcastle since he joined two years ago. Traore scored seven league goals this season. Given he'd cost twice what Bertrand cost us from Lyon, where is the upgrade?

There must be something I'm missing, I'm just not sure what.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on May 24, 2021, 10:41:17 PM
I would be suprised if we were chasing players of the Maddison ilk, because we are building a team not buying one. I would take a guess that we are looking overseas to plunder the clubs with money problems, there are quite a few of them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2021, 11:20:57 PM
Still want Saint-Maximin. Still think he's gettable.

Is he *that* different to Traore? Doesn't he do more or less the same thing, dribble round a couple more players and be injured a bit more?

I mean, I wouldn't be upset if we bought him. But I'm not sure we'd really be spending £30m on much of an upgrade.

When he came back from covid he transformed Newcastle. He has a bit more craft to his game than Traore (either of them) for me.
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Post by: steamer on May 25, 2021, 06:29:37 AM
What about the guy they have on loan from Arsenal
Been banging in goals
Arsenal could be a good feeder club for us
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 25, 2021, 06:41:49 AM
Aye, I mentioned him yesterday. It's hard to tell from the limited amount I've seen from him but if he's available for 20m then he fits the young promising player criteria. Whether Arsenal would let him go I don't know but i'm sure they want to splurge their usual 60m or so on the usual anonymous signings from abroad.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 25, 2021, 07:17:39 AM
From what I've seen of Saint-Maximin, he's a bit like Newcastle's version of Grealish, in that they are very ordinary without him, and much, much better with him.

Admittedly his goal return is nothing to write home about, but he's playing in a Steve Bruce team, so what do you expect?
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 25, 2021, 07:34:41 AM
Can't see Newcastle selling him unless they got a ridiculous offer. He's got 4 years left on his contract and the grief they'd get for selling him wouldn't be worth the money.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2021, 07:51:23 AM
What about the guy they have on loan from Arsenal
Been banging in goals
Arsenal could be a good feeder club for us


Arteta has said he is going back to Arsenal and will be in contention for them
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2021, 08:16:38 AM
If we signed Madison along with Grealish Cash Mings Watkins Ramsey Doug etc
We would have the best looking set of chaps ever assembled in the football team
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Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Can't see Newcastle selling him unless they got a ridiculous offer. He's got 4 years left on his contract and the grief they'd get for selling him wouldn't be worth the money.

Mike Ashley takes shit from everywhere about everything and doesn't give a toss.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2021, 09:04:59 AM
Of course he would sell Maxim for the right price.
Not sure he is what we need though.
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Post by: Risso on May 25, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
If we signed Madison along with Grealish Cash Mings Watkins Ramsey Doug etc
We would have the best looking set of chaps ever assembled in the football team

You missed off Targett and MCGinn. Cruel.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 25, 2021, 09:28:01 AM
Of course he would sell Maxim for the right price.
Not sure he is what we need though.

yeah but what's the right price? Can't imagine us sanctioning what Ashley would want because he's not worth that currently.
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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2021, 10:12:36 AM
If we signed Madison along with Grealish Cash Mings Watkins Ramsey Doug etc
We would have the best looking set of chaps ever assembled in the football team

You missed off Targett and MCGinn. Cruel.

There's a reason their nicknames are Tigger and Meatball.
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Post by: algy on May 25, 2021, 10:48:08 AM
Teamtalk (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/villa-to-pounce-contact-made-cut-price-13-8m-dean-smith-transfer-target) reckon we've put in a £13.8m offer for Benni McCarth .... sorry, Milot Rashica.
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Post by: AllanW on May 25, 2021, 10:48:55 AM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic. IF his temprement is okay and he's fizzing to show the world he's still the best young striker in Europe after an awful Real Madrid experience, I'd like Deano and Terry to kick him into shape then unleash him next season.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2021/5/25/22450911/barcelona-juventus-inter-milan-manchester-city-bayern-munich-gosens-real-madrid-hazard-jovic-bale


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Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic. IF his temprement is okay and he's fizzing to show the world he's still the best young striker in Europe after an awful Real Madrid experience, I'd like Deano and Terry to kick him into shape then unleash him next season.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2021/5/25/22450911/barcelona-juventus-inter-milan-manchester-city-bayern-munich-gosens-real-madrid-hazard-jovic-bale



Looks like a superb finisher, 23 years old.  Would be an exciting signing that's for sure.  Wonder what his problem at Real was?
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Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2021, 11:15:11 AM
Teamtalk (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/villa-to-pounce-contact-made-cut-price-13-8m-dean-smith-transfer-target) reckon we've put in a £13.8m offer for Benni McCarth .... sorry, Milot Rashica.

The alleged release clause as a result of Bremen's relegation..... 2+2= 13,800,000....
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 25, 2021, 11:38:52 AM
That's the one from last summer who looks like Gerrard's lovechild? Too lightweight and injury prone for me. Plus he takes the penalties so y'know,,,
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 11:41:00 AM
Teamtalk (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/villa-to-pounce-contact-made-cut-price-13-8m-dean-smith-transfer-target) reckon we've put in a £13.8m offer for Benni McCarth .... sorry, Milot Rashica.

The alleged release clause as a result of Bremen's relegation..... 2+2= 13,800,000....

[voice of HAL from 2001] Laaazyyy, laaaazyyy...
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Post by: jwarry on May 25, 2021, 11:44:48 AM
Teamtalk (https://www.teamtalk.com/news/villa-to-pounce-contact-made-cut-price-13-8m-dean-smith-transfer-target) reckon we've put in a £13.8m offer for Benni McCarth .... sorry, Milot Rashica.

The guy that didn’t want to come to us to be in a relegation fight, who’s team have just been relegated?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 25, 2021, 11:55:04 AM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic. IF his temprement is okay and he's fizzing to show the world he's still the best young striker in Europe after an awful Real Madrid experience, I'd like Deano and Terry to kick him into shape then unleash him next season.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2021/5/25/22450911/barcelona-juventus-inter-milan-manchester-city-bayern-munich-gosens-real-madrid-hazard-jovic-bale




Why will he be half the price if Real paid 60m euros for him?
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Post by: oldtimernow on May 25, 2021, 11:57:13 AM
Maddison would be a great signing. Set piece specialist too would be welcome.  Yes please!

Conor upgrade then?
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Post by: ian c. on May 25, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic.
Looks like a superb finisher, 23 years old.  Would be an exciting signing that's for sure.  Wonder what his problem at Real was?

He hasn't really pulled up trees at Frankfurt. 4 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances (he started 8 of those 18 games).

His strike partner, Andre Silva, scored 28 in 32 games (7 pens) with 10 assists.
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Post by: AllanW on May 25, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Why will he be half the price if Real paid 60m euros for him?

Did you see the other link I posted and the references on half a dozen posts on this thread to Real Madrid having a fire-sale of Hazard, Bale and Jovic to raise money? That's why.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 25, 2021, 12:11:13 PM
Saint Maximin has 6 goals and 8 assists from 51 PL games (last season and this). That would put him behind AEG, Traore and probably Trez in terms of his contribution.

I'm absolutely convinced he is a 'highlights' player in a poor team and not worth the likely fee. We have three capable though inconsistent wide forwards and we need a genuine upgrade, not more of the same.

Plus he is the main man at Noocassel, i.e. always given the ball, generally then stopping it dead before trying to dribble around defenders. Given our playing style is based on Grealish being creative and the running power of Watkins, I don't think he is a good fit unless some believe he is a back-up for when Grealish is injured or misfiring - though I think we can do better if that is the case.

A definite 'NO' from me! UTV.
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 12:19:24 PM
I agree, I think Saint-Maximin is the kind of player to light up your midtable doldrums rather than seriously propel you into European contention.
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Post by: Lsvilla on May 25, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.
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Post by: AllanW on May 25, 2021, 12:48:16 PM


He hasn't really pulled up trees at Frankfurt. 4 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances (he started 8 of those 18 games).

His strike partner, Andre Silva, scored 28 in 32 games (7 pens) with 10 assists.

As you say, after coming back from injuries in Spain and a huge emotional let-down of never starting games there, he contributed 4 goals and 1 assist with a new partner in 8 starts and a bunch of sub appearances.

It's not earth-shattering but is a clear indication he's getting back to the form that made him the most exciting young striker in Europe 2 years ago.
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
If we signed Madison along with Grealish Cash Mings Watkins Ramsey Doug etc
We would have the best looking set of chaps ever assembled in the football team

You missed off Targett and MCGinn. Cruel.


It is harsh
But it’s my 16 year old daughter telling me who is making the cut
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Post by: Matt C on May 25, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
Not a new one but Telegraph linking us and Arsenal with Buendia
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 02:46:38 PM
Edit: apparently John Percy actually co-wrote the article, so seems kosher.

Apparently we also want to get our business done early because We Don't Fuck Around anymore.
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Post by: placeforparks on May 25, 2021, 02:50:45 PM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic.
Looks like a superb finisher, 23 years old.  Would be an exciting signing that's for sure.  Wonder what his problem at Real was?

He hasn't really pulled up trees at Frankfurt. 4 goals and 1 assist in 18 appearances (he started 8 of those 18 games).

His strike partner, Andre Silva, scored 28 in 32 games (7 pens) with 10 assists.

i havent watched frankfurt this year, but jovic was fantastic in his first spell there. that said, so was sebastian haller!
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
Is there anyone who, for reasons I won't judge, subscribes to the Telegraph and can paste here the paywalled article on Buendia?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Is there anyone who, for reasons I won't judge, subscribes to the Telegraph and can paste here the paywalled article on Buendia?

I DO NOT subscribe, but if you click on the tweet you can view for free if you haven't been on there, which I haven't.

Quote
Aston Villa are rivalling Arsenal in the race for Norwich City playmaker Emiliano Buendia, with the Midlands club understood to be preparing an offer.

Buendia, the Championship player of the season, could ultimately cost up to £40 million this summer after a campaign in which he scored 15 goals and registered 16 assists.

Villa signed Ollie Watkins and Matty Cash from the Championship last summer and are focusing on recruiting players who have already played in English football, with a creative midfielder - or a No 10 - emerging as a priority.

Norwich, who sealed a return to the top flight by winning the Championship, will resist any offers that do not come near their valuation but are understood to accept that Buendia could move on this summer. The 24 year-old joined the club from Getafe for £1.5m in 2018 and was recently called up to the Argentina squad.


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Arsenal are also on the hunt for a creative playmaker but are yet to make a formal approach to Norwich for Buendia. The involvement of Villa, who hope to complete their business early in this window, could force Arsenal into action.

Arsenal’s pursuit of Buendia is likely to depend on the future of Martin Odegaard, who has made a huge impression since joining on loan from Real Madrid in January.

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta has made no secret of his desire to keep Odegaard at the club, saying this weekend: “We have tried to make everything that we could to get Martin performing for the team, which I think he has done.

“He has adapted really well to our way of playing and to our football club. Hopefully we have given him the hope and the feeling that this could be a good place for him.”

The difficulty will be reaching an agreement with Real, who look set to go through their own rebuilding process this summer. Odegaard will be an expensive addition but Arsenal could try to sign him on another loan.
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Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2021, 03:01:45 PM
I quite like Buendia but he was too weak when they were in the league last year so I'd be a bit nervous unless he's learned how to handle himself better.
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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2021, 03:02:55 PM
Recruiting players who have already played in English football.....hmm, I get the lower-risk, but you also pay an inflated fee and salary. It's what MON did all the time he was here.
Isn't Lange meant to be finding the next Buendia from Getafe for £1.5m?
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
Cheers you big blue-rosette-wearing, brandy-nosed country squire.

Looks promising I have to say. Sounds like Arsenal are undecided and that we are very not undecided.

Eamonn, I'd suggest that last year's recruitment showed a decent mix.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2021, 03:05:06 PM
I don't remember ever having seen him play, but that's a lot of money for a Norwich player who's played one (relegated) season in the PL. I could be talking shite, however.

Is he good?
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2021, 03:06:34 PM
Recruiting players who have already played in English football.....hmm, I get the lower-risk, but you also pay an inflated fee and salary. It's what MON did all the time he was here.
Isn't Lange meant to be finding the next Buendia from Getafe for £1.5m?
We definitely want those type of 'finds' and to integrate them into the squad slowly.  But we also need players who we know can hit the ground running to push us up the league next season.  If we're going to keep hold of Jack we can't fuck about, we need to show our intent.
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Post by: Dave on May 25, 2021, 03:07:24 PM
I don't remember ever having seen him play, but that's a lot of money for a Norwich player who's played one (relegated) season in the PL. I could be talking shite, however.

Is he good?

I remember someone who has a long history of watching the Championship describe his last year as not just the best Championship performance of last season, but the best of any season.
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Post by: Monty on May 25, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
I think he's good to potentially fantastic. I know why Paul would be concerned about his lightweightness last time he was in the league, but I think that was more of a team problem than an individual one necessarily. Him and Grealish together would be frightening.
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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
I agree. But £40m on this chap seems a bit iffy to me.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
I don't remember ever having seen him play, but that's a lot of money for a Norwich player who's played one (relegated) season in the PL. I could be talking shite, however.

Is he good?

I remember someone who has a long history of watching the Championship describe his last year as not just the best Championship performance of last season, but the best of any season.

That'll do for me, thanks Dave.

Sign him up then. I'll be furious if we don't get him. DS will have a lot to answer for if he doesn't move heaven and earth to get him here this week at the latest. I've already pre-ordered next season's shirt with his name on the back and number 8. If the club can't even be bothered to give him a good number like 8 we're looking at a season of struggle. [/villatalk]
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Post by: WarszaVillan on May 25, 2021, 03:16:12 PM
I agree. But £40m on this chap seems a bit iffy to me.

As everyone knows we have cash, we'll be spending over the odds sometimes I imagine. Buying a club's best player, who have just been promoted, is going to be costly. No idea if he's the answer, but a creative player of this type is definitely needed.
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Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2021, 03:25:38 PM
Sign him.  But don’t forget we need a defensive midfielder too who can kick ass.   
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Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2021, 03:26:29 PM
Do you think much business will be done until after the Euros? 
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Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2021, 03:33:32 PM
Aston Villa are rivalling Arsenal in the race for Norwich City playmaker Emiliano Buendia, with the Midlands club understood to be preparing an offer.
Buendia, the Championship player of the season, could ultimately cost up to £40 million this summer after a campaign in which he scored 15 goals and registered 16 assists.
Villa signed Ollie Watkins and Matty Cash from the Championship last summer and are focusing on recruiting players who have already played in English football, with a creative midfielder - or a No 10 - emerging as a priority.
Norwich, who sealed a return to the top flight by winning the Championship, will resist any offers that do not come near their valuation but are understood to accept that Buendia could move on this summer. The 24 year-old joined the club from Getafe for £1.5m in 2018 and was recently called up to the Argentina squad.

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Arsenal are also on the hunt for a creative playmaker but are yet to make a formal approach to Norwich for Buendia. The involvement of Villa, who hope to complete their business early in this window, could force Arsenal into action.
Arsenal’s pursuit of Buendia is likely to depend on the future of Martin Odegaard, who has made a huge impression since joining on loan from Real Madrid in January.
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta has made no secret of his desire to keep Odegaard at the club, saying this weekend: “We have tried to make everything that we could to get Martin performing for the team, which I think he has done.
“He has adapted really well to our way of playing and to our football club. Hopefully we have given him the hope and the feeling that this could be a good place for him.”
The difficulty will be reaching an agreement with Real, who look set to go through their own rebuilding process this summer. Odegaard will be an expensive addition but Arsenal could try to sign him on another loan.
Maybe we should put in a bid for Odegaard, just to put off the Arse bidding for Buendia.
Buendia's season in the Premier yielded similarly impressive stats, even if Naaaarichh went down.
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Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
Edit: apparently John Percy actually co-wrote the article, so seems kosher.

Apparently we also want to get our business done early because We Don't Fuck Around anymore.

It's so funny, we don't fuck around anymore......
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Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2021, 03:35:44 PM
I think he's good to potentially fantastic. I know why Paul would be concerned about his lightweightness last time he was in the league, but I think that was more of a team problem than an individual one necessarily. Him and Grealish together would be frightening.

Yep, agreed. And with Martinez, his compatriot, enjoying life here, we are surely in pole position with our warchest.....
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Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
Martinez tapping up Buendia?  surely not :-)
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Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2021, 04:29:57 PM
I agree. But £40m on this chap seems a bit iffy to me.

As everyone knows we have cash, we'll be spending over the odds sometimes I imagine. Buying a club's best player, who have just been promoted, is going to be costly. No idea if he's the answer, but a creative player of this type is definitely needed.

True. £40m can also get you an Iwobi or a Haller so....it could be a lot worse.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2021, 05:06:20 PM
You can't really get bargains from abroad anymore, post-Brexit. Well, with the exception of established internationals available on a Bosman.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2021, 05:11:48 PM
I like us having a war chest. Versus a plastic bag with some coins in it to go and buy Jordan Bowery or loan some duffer like Dawkins from Colorado while a PL club.
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Post by: jwarry on May 25, 2021, 05:32:25 PM
I like us having a war chest. Versus a plastic bag with some coins in it to go and buy Jordan Bowery or loan some duffer like Dawkins from Colorado while a PL club.

😩
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2021, 05:57:10 PM
Some “sources” are suggesting we have made a bid for Rashica again. For less than before because he got relegated.

That or it’s May 2020 and not 2021
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2021, 06:36:27 PM
dam it Marty !
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Post by: Des Little on May 25, 2021, 07:58:35 PM
Some “sources” are suggesting we have made a bid for Rashica again. For less than before because he got relegated.

That or it’s May 2020 and not 2021

That cheeky chap should be walking here to play for us.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2021, 08:04:33 PM
Some “sources” are suggesting we have made a bid for Rashica again. For less than before because he got relegated.

That or it’s May 2020 and not 2021

That cheeky chap should be walking here to play for us.

And pay half of his own transfer fee!
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Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2021, 08:53:39 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.

Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...
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Post by: Lsvilla on May 25, 2021, 09:18:08 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.

Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...
You may well be right. I confess I’ve not seen a lot of him this season (watching them cheat when they’re playing us is hard enough) but I thought when he first went there he had something more than just pace (which is a good start and IMO the first ingredient in whoever we look at). Happy for those more informed to offer better solutions. Just looking forward to and hoping for the exciting summer that’s been talked about ahead of getting back there in august.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2021, 09:19:56 PM
At half the price of a 'bidding war' Tammy, I'd take Luka Jovic. IF his temprement is okay and he's fizzing to show the world he's still the best young striker in Europe after an awful Real Madrid experience, I'd like Deano and Terry to kick him into shape then unleash him next season.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2021/5/25/22450911/barcelona-juventus-inter-milan-manchester-city-bayern-munich-gosens-real-madrid-hazard-jovic-bale




Why will he be half the price if Real paid 60m euros for him?

They want to sell him given he's flopped there and no-one is paying anywhere near that. I thought he'd just go back to Frankfurt permanently but they missed out on CL so perhaps not. Pretty good goalscoring record in Bundesliga.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2021, 09:22:45 PM
I quite like Buendia but he was too weak when they were in the league last year so I'd be a bit nervous unless he's learned how to handle himself better.

Hasn't he been sent off about three times in championship this season?

Clever player, would link up well with Jack but not that quick.

He's just been called up by Argentina for first time so get the feeling he wants to move to make sure he stays in the squad up to world cup so probably feels he needs higher profile club than Norwich.

I suspect he'll end up at Arsenal but can certainly see why DS would like him.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 26, 2021, 06:45:42 AM
Buendia, reminds me of Sasa Curcic, who was fabulous for Bolton but did virtually nothing for us except cost us a lot of money

It would be difficult to see where Buendia would fit into our team and system?
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 26, 2021, 08:32:55 AM
I would prefer Pereira to Buendia, as I think the latter is a bit lightweight
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 08:50:36 AM
I still want Messi, thanks.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 26, 2021, 08:56:59 AM
40m seems a bit steep for buendia when he's got 12 months left on his contract. 20m mebbe
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 26, 2021, 09:15:33 AM
Think we're all forgetting that we have a mandatory allocation of players signed from teams beginning with 'B'.   We excelled in summer 2019 with players from Brentford (Konsa), Bournemouth (Mings), Burnley (Heaton), Brugge (Wes and Marv), and Birmingham City (Jota).  However, last summer was a complete disaster, with only Ollie Watkins (Brentford) coming in.

I'd be willing to put that down to the change in recruitment team, with the clearly under-researched transfers.  I mean, come on - from the schoolboy error of signing Bertie Traore and Ross Barkley because their names start with a B, all the way through the complete fuck up of Emi Martinez (signed from an 'A' club), and to be honest I don't know where Matty Cash came in to the equation.  An adjacent letter from the wrong name?  I mean, that's just amateur hour scouting.

I want to see us sign players exclusively from Barcelona and Borussia Dortmund this summer to make up for the clusterfuck that was the last transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2021, 09:28:35 AM
I would prefer Pereira to Buendia, as I think the latter is a bit lightweight
I'm not sure about that, Buendia is an Argentian scrapper who used to play rugby.  He looks solid enough to me with great balance and a low centre of gravity.  I think it took a while for the penny to drop in the PL, but I'm pretty sure he gets it now.

Whether we can do better for £40m+ or whether he has his sights on a team in Eurpope is another matter.  But I would think he could be an excellent asset if we do go for him. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 26, 2021, 09:31:53 AM
Buendia can play wide or central, so I think he fits in just fine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 26, 2021, 09:50:56 AM
There was chat on the Totally Football podcast about the best player outside the top 6.  Nearly everyone said Grealish but there was one pundit who picked Buendia despite him being in the championship.  I recall his stats were very good for a period in the season Norwich were relegated and has seemingly improved.

If he only has 12-months left then £40m is crazy money but he’d definitely be on my list to look at (along with Pereira and Van de Beek at Man U) for the number 10 role. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2021, 09:52:30 AM
There was chat on the Totally Football podcast about the best player outside the top 6.  Nearly everyone said Grealish but there was one pundit who picked Buendia despite him being in the championship.  I recall his stats were very good for a period in the season Norwich were relegated and has seemingly improved.

If he only has 12-months left then £40m is crazy money but he’d definitely be on my list to look at (along with Pereira and Van de Beek at Man U) for the number 10 role.
Id rather Hertz Van Rental than de Beek
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 26, 2021, 09:53:29 AM
There was chat on the Totally Football podcast about the best player outside the top 6.  Nearly everyone said Grealish but there was one pundit who picked Buendia despite him being in the championship.  I recall his stats were very good for a period in the season Norwich were relegated and has seemingly improved.

If he only has 12-months left then £40m is crazy money but he’d definitely be on my list to look at (along with Pereira and Van de Beek at Man U) for the number 10 role.
Id rather Hertz Van Rental than de Beek

Wrong, he's really talented, he was just bought with no plan for him by Newton Heath in a blatant act of player hoarding.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
There was chat on the Totally Football podcast about the best player outside the top 6.  Nearly everyone said Grealish but there was one pundit who picked Buendia despite him being in the championship.  I recall his stats were very good for a period in the season Norwich were relegated and has seemingly improved.

If he only has 12-months left then £40m is crazy money but he’d definitely be on my list to look at (along with Pereira and Van de Beek at Man U) for the number 10 role.
Id rather Hertz Van Rental than de Beek

Wrong, he's really talented, he was just bought with no plan for him by Newton Heath in a blatant act of player hoarding.
8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
I'm really trying but I don't get it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 26, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
You'll see. You'll all see.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 26, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
There was chat on the Totally Football podcast about the best player outside the top 6.  Nearly everyone said Grealish but there was one pundit who picked Buendia despite him being in the championship.  I recall his stats were very good for a period in the season Norwich were relegated and has seemingly improved.

If he only has 12-months left then £40m is crazy money but he’d definitely be on my list to look at (along with Pereira and Van de Beek at Man U) for the number 10 role.
Id rather Hertz Van Rental than de Beek

Wrong, he's really talented, he was just bought with no plan for him by Newton Heath in a blatant act of player hoarding.

No plan and signed for the sake of signing someone rather than because he filled a particular need in their squad. I agree he's a good player and the way they've used him is pathetic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 26, 2021, 10:04:58 AM
When Manu bought De beek last summer there was a pisstake going round where they compared his stats at Ajax with the stats of Mason Mount when he was on loan for Vittesse at 18 which hammered De Beek. Overrated
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
Think we're all forgetting that we have a mandatory allocation of players signed from teams beginning with 'B'.   We excelled in summer 2019 with players from Brentford (Konsa), Bournemouth (Mings), Burnley (Heaton), Brugge (Wes and Marv), and Birmingham City (Jota).  However, last summer was a complete disaster, with only Ollie Watkins (Brentford) coming in.

I'd be willing to put that down to the change in recruitment team, with the clearly under-researched transfers.  I mean, come on - from the schoolboy error of signing Bertie Traore and Ross Barkley because their names start with a B, all the way through the complete fuck up of Emi Martinez (signed from an 'A' club), and to be honest I don't know where Matty Cash came in to the equation.  An adjacent letter from the wrong name?  I mean, that's just amateur hour scouting.

I want to see us sign players exclusively from Barcelona and Borussia Dortmund this summer to make up for the clusterfuck that was the last transfer window.

What a load of baloney/bollocks/boulderdash. But brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
So now we need Haaland, Lewandowski, Messi, Kimmich, Bellingham and Sancho?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 26, 2021, 01:28:37 PM
So now we need Haaland, Lewandowski, Messi, Kimmich, Bellingham and Sancho?
Lewandowski and Messi are a little old, but 'yes' to the rest... ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 26, 2021, 01:40:44 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on May 26, 2021, 01:42:36 PM
Imagine us signing Messi and he wont even be the best Argentinian in the squad?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 26, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.

Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...

I would not want any fecking shithouse from them as they would think they were doing us a favour
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2021, 01:55:37 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.

Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...

I would not want any fecking shithouse from them as they would think they were doing us a favour

I'd normally say you evaluate on an individual basis, but fuck it, you're right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 26, 2021, 02:00:02 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.

Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...

I would not want any fecking shithouse from them as they would think they were doing us a favour

Paul McGrath worked out ok for us...

James, you would think it's to Leeds he will go, they made a mess of signing him previously and is a good fit for the high pressing Bielsa wants. I just can't see what else is to his game bar running around a lot...

I'd take Tuanzebe back from United, though he seemed to get a few more games from them lately with Maguire out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 26, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
I’d rather take a look at Dan James as a speedy winger with potential. Although I’m sure there’s better out there.
Maybe his confidence is shot but any time I saw him this season he reminded me of a faster version of Trez...
I would not want any fecking shithouse from them as they would think they were doing us a favour
Paul McGrath worked out ok for us...
James, you would think it's to Leeds he will go, they made a mess of signing him previously and is a good fit for the high pressing Bielsa wants. I just can't see what else is to his game bar running around a lot...

I'd take Tuanzebe back from United, though he seemed to get a few more games from them lately with Maguire out.
Thanks, Yoda  ;D  (see bolded bit).


I think Tuanzebe's boat has sailed unless they want to offload for free.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 26, 2021, 05:08:50 PM
Puslow saying expect a ‘couple of smart ins’, don’t expect numbers
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
So now we need Haaland, Lewandowski, Messi, Kimmich, Bellingham and Sancho?

And Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 26, 2021, 05:25:46 PM
Puslow saying expect a ‘couple of smart ins’, don’t expect numbers

That makes me think they're prioritising quality over quantity. I like the sound of this.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2021, 05:29:15 PM
You can spend £100-150m a lot of ways. We spent it on half a squad in year one. Some better players in year two. Now with a great academy, some players who have proven they deserve to be in the squad, one or two leaving like our aging full backs and keeper, we need 2 or 3 really quality players to push us on again. A big piece has to be looking after Jack also and having players around that can offer what he does if he does need a rest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 26, 2021, 05:36:55 PM
Puslow saying expect a ‘couple of smart ins’, don’t expect numbers

That makes me think they're prioritising quality over quantity. I like the sound of this.

Yes he doesn’t appear to have said we won’t be spending much money!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Which two positions would be the priority?  For me, a pacey winger and the defensive midfielder. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 07:06:39 PM
Loads of sexy, goaly winger/forward types, no boring defenders.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2021, 07:08:01 PM
I think we need at least four. Centre-mid, two magicians to play 10, wide right/left and keep us good when Jack’s missing, and a striker.

Bissouma, Buendia, Pereira, Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 26, 2021, 07:08:16 PM
Big DM. AM and WG. Cover for Targett too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 26, 2021, 07:11:46 PM
What's a WG?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Wing goalkeeper, I assume. Quite like the sound of that, could be really attacking.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 26, 2021, 07:16:34 PM
Winger. Probably played too much Pro Evo back in the day
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2021, 07:18:02 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2021, 07:19:08 PM
Wing goalkeeper, I assume. Quite like the sound of that, could be really attacking.

Lambert spotted them after being invited to a top secret Dortmund training camp.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2021, 07:19:18 PM
DM and wing attack.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2021, 07:40:52 PM
Big DM. AM and WG. Cover for Targett too.

A little cryptic but we're signing a large Dominican, an Armenian and a West German?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2021, 07:41:39 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

We've already made two lads swap Brazil for Brum (indirectly), let's make it a hattrick.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 07:44:14 PM
If we had him we would only need Argentina to see sense and cap Martinez and we'd have had an international for all the proper football countries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

We've already made two lads swap Brazil for Brum (indirectly), let's make it a hattrick.

Talking of Doug..

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 26, 2021, 08:39:43 PM
I dunno if there is any truth in this Buendia link, and youtube showreels yada yada but this is really, really impressive. The ball sticks to his feet.

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Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2021, 08:47:18 PM
I dunno if there is any truth in this Buendia link, and youtube showreels yada yada but this is really, really impressive. The ball sticks to his feet.



I'm Sold. He'll end up at Arsenal now.
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Post by: OCD on May 26, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 08:58:02 PM
Again, we can't sign £1 million players from Getafe. Nobody can anymore. The only young stars you can sign who don't already have loads of caps/European trophy experience are those with a British (or Irish) passport.

Judging by the Youth Cup, we seem to be doing pretty well at identifying young British talent already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2021, 09:06:26 PM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.

I was just about to post the same. How on earth did he escape so many clubs. The same with Pereira at Albion. If we bought both it would cost us the fatter part of £70m. Yet they cost a fraction of that. I know we have our own like that. Konsa, Targett, Bert, Cash, Emi etc etc are all worth a lot more too, but Buendia is an absolute steal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 09:36:01 PM
Again, we can't sign £1 million players from Getafe. Nobody can anymore. The only young stars you can sign who don't already have loads of caps/European trophy experience are those with a British (or Irish) passport.

Judging by the Youth Cup, we seem to be doing pretty well at identifying young British talent already.

Just in case anyone is unsure what I'm on about and and interested: had a look at this and seems the rules might not be as strict as I thought, but would still be unlikely to pick up an unknown player with no caps who hadn't regularly played in Europe or a major European league.

The rules have become slightly more generous for non-EU players, with South Americans, particularly, likely to benefit.

Decent article here...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/amp/
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2021, 09:58:42 PM
Wing goalkeeper, I assume. Quite like the sound of that, could be really attacking.

Lambert spotted them after being invited to a top secret Dortmund training camp.

Was it from that trip that he came back with the idea playing the ball backwards from goal kicks?
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Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2021, 10:00:58 PM
Wing goalkeeper, I assume. Quite like the sound of that, could be really attacking.

Lambert spotted them after being invited to a top secret Dortmund training camp.

Was it from that trip that he came back with the idea playing the ball backwards from goal kicks?

Edit - wrong thread
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
I was confused for a moment.
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Post by: dr.chekov on May 27, 2021, 11:44:14 AM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(

My Flamengo supporting friend just emailed me:

“…if you buy Arrasca I'll start supporting Birmingham... he is great, amazing player. A bit quiet sometimes, but a magician when inspired.” 
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(

My Flamengo supporting friend just emailed me:

“…if you buy Arrasca I'll start supporting Birmingham... he is great, amazing player. A bit quiet sometimes, but a magician when inspired.” 


Is his name Jair? https://twitter.com/flamenguistasc1?lang=pt

One of my clients is a big Flamengo fan but I'll wait till the link becomes more concrete. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we're interested in a left-sided winger like him though.
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Post by: Monty on May 27, 2021, 12:34:21 PM
I see Spurs want Pochettino back and have already been discussing it with him. This is very very bad news for us. We need to strike this coming season or it might get too late - again.
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Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2021, 12:38:35 PM
I see Spurs want Pochettino back and have already been discussing it with him. This is very very bad news for us. We need to strike this coming season or it might get too late - again.

He's a good manager, but surely it's a broken relationship?

Levy must have asked Kane what would make him stay, he probably said bringing the old manager back without ever thinking it could happen, and is now going to have to do a Delph on them to get out.
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Post by: aev on May 27, 2021, 12:50:49 PM
I see Spurs want Pochettino back and have already been discussing it with him. This is very very bad news for us. We need to strike this coming season or it might get too late - again.

He's a good manager, but surely it's a broken relationship?

Levy must have asked Kane what would make him stay, he probably said bringing the old manager back without ever thinking it could happen, and is now going to have to do a Delph on them to get out.

A lot of money spaffed up the wall if that happens.
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Post by: Monty on May 27, 2021, 01:05:29 PM
I don't know, I think a motivated Pochettino with either Kane or Kane money is ominous for the rest of the chasing pack. Of course it could all fall apart, but I'd bet on them doing well next season.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
Imagine Randy Lerner reappointing Martin O’Neill. I know it’s not exactly the same in terms of comparison but it rarely works out well when a former fired manager goes back. Kendall at Everton, Mourinho at Chelsea (in the end - yes he did win the title again).

Pochettino is a good manager but for all he spent he won nothing and got fired. That will always be bubbling under the surface. All sounds a bit desperate.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 01:37:45 PM
If MON came back I think I'd also start supporting Birmingham.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 27, 2021, 01:41:53 PM
Has to be 'Arry Redknapp back at Tottingham for me. Two CL placed finishes, cup finals, the excitement of a 9.55pm SKY Sports transfer deadline conversation with him through his car window about "trying to hook a big one"
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 27, 2021, 01:59:34 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(

My Flamengo supporting friend just emailed me:

“…if you buy Arrasca I'll start supporting Birmingham... he is great, amazing player. A bit quiet sometimes, but a magician when inspired.”

I might be missing something. He hates him so much that if Villa signed him he would start supporting our joke rivals?

Edit: I think I get it now. It’s because he loves him so much he doesn’t want him to leave?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2021, 02:12:49 PM
If MON came back I think I'd also start supporting Birmingham.

There are likely some Tottenham fans who were highly critical of Pochettino’s lack of winning despite seemingly having a great squad and lots of money and wouldn’t want him back. With MON there would have been lots who 2-3 years after he left would have happily had him back given what subsequently transpired at the club. I’m sure most Spurs fans will be delighted of this happened. I just don’t know if it works when you go back. Long term anyway.
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Post by: Drummond on May 27, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
To be honest, him going stopped their momentum and I'd have thought it won't get started again straight away even if he does go back..
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 27, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
I don't know, I think a motivated Pochettino with either Kane or Kane money is ominous for the rest of the chasing pack. Of course it could all fall apart, but I'd bet on them doing well next season.
Yep dissapointing.  A team we hope to leapfrog would be getting back a top manager just when it looked like their wheels were falling off.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2021, 02:51:02 PM
To be honest, him going stopped their momentum and I'd have thought it won't get started again straight away even if he does go back..

It had stopped before he went.
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Post by: danno on May 27, 2021, 02:52:04 PM
They need a new GK and two good centre backs.  Then I’ll worry.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on May 27, 2021, 03:58:32 PM
Levi must be shitting himself to eat so much humble pie to keep Kane and appease the fans. I wonder what the owners think? He's effectively admitting that sacking Poch was a bad mistake, and consequently hiring and then firing Jose was a mistake too. Complete mismanagement. How much did that lot cost in settlements to be back at the start but worse? Can't help smiling but Poch can do better than Spurs as they've gone backwards. If Poch is on the market there are bigger clubs than Spurs who'll be interested.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on May 27, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Levi must be shitting himself to eat so much humble pie to keep Kane and appease the fans. I wonder what the owners think? He's effectively admitting that sacking Poch was a bad mistake, and consequently hiring and then firing Jose was a mistake too. Complete mismanagement. How much did that lot cost in settlements to be back at the start but worse? Can't help smiling but Poch can do better than Spurs as they've gone backwards. If Poch is on the market there are bigger clubs than Spurs who'll be interested.

Bigger clubs than Spurs? They’re Super League elite don’t you know?!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: manic-road on May 27, 2021, 04:08:39 PM
To be honest, him going stopped their momentum and I'd have thought it won't get started again straight away even if he does go back..

It had stopped before he went.

Absolutely it did, mainly because they went a couple of transfer windows without getting anybody in. Once Kane has gone they will be left with Son as the only decent player, I can't think of a single Spurs player other than Son who I would want at Villa. They are a team in decline and require a complete re-build and I can't see Levy digging deep into the Spurs coffers with a huge debt to settle to get that many top players in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
To be honest, him going stopped their momentum and I'd have thought it won't get started again straight away even if he does go back..

It had stopped before he went.

Absolutely it did, mainly because they went a couple of transfer windows without getting anybody in. Once Kane has gone they will be left with Son as the only decent player, I can't think of a single Spurs player other than Son who I would want at Villa. They are a team in decline and require a complete re-build and I can't see Levy digging deep into the Spurs coffers with a huge debt to settle to get that many top players in.

I'd take N'Dombele off them, but other than that yeah, looks like a big squad of expensive guff.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2021, 05:01:29 PM
I appreciate that they got to a European final (and thankfully lost) but where is the evidence that Pochettino is any good? He was good at Southampton, but so was any other bugger they appointed.  Levy is either desperate or stupid.  Poch even managed to finished second in a two horse race in France, with one of the world's best squads.  Humbe pie indeed, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Levy is asked to fall on his sword.

N'Dombele would be a very good signing.  Not sure what age Lucas Moura is but I think he's a very under-rated player too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 27, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
That’s the spirit, let’s talk about taking their best players off them...... how the world has changed 😁
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2021, 05:39:29 PM
We are being linked with Spurs outgoing keeper Paulo Gazzaniga according to the ever reliable Meaning Evil website. He's 29 and leaving after a four year contract comes to an end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 27, 2021, 06:05:37 PM
I said best players not their rejects!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 06:17:38 PM
Linked with Flamengo Uruguayan Winger Giorgian de Arrascaeta (or George to his mates).

26 years old and was voted Uruguayan player of the year.

If he can be persuaded to leave Brazil, he's be a great replacement for Barkley playing the 10. We certainly need to add some creativity to the side.

He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(

He's of Basque and Italian descent. I could live with a three of Grealish, Arrascaeta and Buendia playing behind Ollie. With that kind of service I'd bet on Ollie scoring over 30 goals next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 06:26:25 PM
Not sure what age Lucas Moura is but I think he's a very under-rated player too.

29 in August. Beautiful and hard working player but we'd need to have a bit of a clear out to make room for him. Spurs are rumoured to be looking to move him on. Why not?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on May 27, 2021, 06:36:51 PM
Not sure what age Lucas Moura is but I think he's a very under-rated player too.

29 in August. Beautiful and hard working player but we'd need to have a bit of a clear out to make room for him. Spurs are rumoured to be looking to move him on. Why not?
Isn’t he a striker that doesn’t score very often?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2021, 06:40:00 PM
He's of Basque and Italian descent. I could live with a three of Grealish, Arrascaeta and Buendia playing behind Ollie. With that kind of service I'd bet on Ollie scoring over 30 goals next season.
Sounds like a great combo. Make it happen!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2021, 06:40:20 PM
Not sure what age Lucas Moura is but I think he's a very under-rated player too.

29 in August. Beautiful and hard working player but we'd need to have a bit of a clear out to make room for him. Spurs are rumoured to be looking to move him on. Why not?
Isn’t he a striker that doesn’t score very often?

Plays the number 10 role.  Doesn't fit with our purchasing criteria though.  Good player although will be behind centre forward Harry Kane now too as Kane likes to drop deeper these days and that leaves very little room at Spurs for a proper number 10.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 07:02:42 PM
He's of Basque and Italian descent. I could live with a three of Grealish, Arrascaeta and Buendia playing behind Ollie. With that kind of service I'd bet on Ollie scoring over 30 goals next season.
Sounds like a great combo. Make it happen!

Indeed. I can't understand why all three deals aren't already done. The hold up must be with Buendia as the Norwich fans think he's too good for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 27, 2021, 07:17:09 PM
He's of Basque and Italian descent. I could live with a three of Grealish, Arrascaeta and Buendia playing behind Ollie. With that kind of service I'd bet on Ollie scoring over 30 goals next season.
Sounds like a great combo. Make it happen!

Indeed. I can't understand why all three deals aren't already done. The hold up must be with Buendia as the Norwich fans think he's too good for us.

One of the three is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 27, 2021, 07:21:42 PM
What about Mata as a reserve 10 and good egg to have around the place?  I think he is on a free and may offer something in a quasi coaching role.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
He's of Basque and Italian descent. I could live with a three of Grealish, Arrascaeta and Buendia playing behind Ollie. With that kind of service I'd bet on Ollie scoring over 30 goals next season.
Sounds like a great combo. Make it happen!

Indeed. I can't understand why all three deals aren't already done. The hold up must be with Buendia as the Norwich fans think he's too good for us.

One of the three is.

Ha! I just had a Percy moment and thought you had some #intheknow, couldn't decide if it was Arrascaeta or Buendia. ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2021, 08:03:37 PM
He's from Nuevo Berlin so may have antecedents who had to leave Germany in a hurry circa 1945 which is fine.

However he's a Flamenguista. :(

He's of Basque and Italian descent.

I know, I just wanted to use his hometown to have a dig at Flamengo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 27, 2021, 08:32:30 PM
I appreciate that they got to a European final (and thankfully lost) but where is the evidence that Pochettino is any good? He was good at Southampton, but so was any other bugger they appointed.  Levy is either desperate or stupid.  Poch even managed to finished second in a two horse race in France, with one of the world's best squads.  Humbe pie indeed, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Levy is asked to fall on his sword.

N'Dombele would be a very good signing.  Not sure what age Lucas Moura is but I think he's a very under-rated player too.

5 seasons at Spurs where the lowest they finished was 5th I guess. That run to the ECL final masked a team in decline though and they were a rabble in the final weeks of his reign. That PSG squad seem to be an unmanageable lot so maybe deserves a pass there. No matter who Levy gets in that squad needs a complete overhaul. Even if they get Guardiola in we should be targeting to finish higher than them next season.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 27, 2021, 08:34:45 PM
The highest they finished was 2nd. How would the highest finish be 5th if they were in a Champions League final?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
What about Mata as a reserve 10 and good egg to have around the place?  I think he is on a free and may offer something in a quasi coaching role.
No we don't need to be TK Maxx club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2021, 09:08:36 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: clash city rocker on May 27, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Like smethwick then
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2021, 09:36:50 PM
Yup. Yo-yo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 27, 2021, 09:38:12 PM
Feel a bit sorry for Norwich fans. Last time they got promoted, they spent bugger all and went straight back down.

They get promoted again and immediately the club are trying to sell 2 of their best players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2021, 09:46:24 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

They seem convinced that we would have no chance of getting him. I recall that they also thought we had no chance of recruiting Lambert when we were a shambles and they finished above us. Not that said transaction worked out brilliantly in the end...

But it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that a player might want to leave a provincial club who seem to have settled for relegation before even starting their campaign to join a massive, upwardly mobile club who are literally the most ambitious on the planet based on the last two years' spending.

Norwich can be added to the Bristol City/Middlesbrough list of weird clubs with weird fans that have a chip on their shoulder about us.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on May 27, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
I can admit to having a chip on my shoulder about Middlesbrough F.C twenty years ago. Ugo, George Boateng, Southgate, even our goalkeeping coach!

Had no idea it was reciprocal, although their chairman did throw a strop about FFP didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2021, 09:50:29 PM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.

Didn't we sign Luna from Getafe or another middling Spanish team?

As much as it looks hilarious transfer strategy now we did try that sort of thing between 2012-14. Westwood and Lowton now established prem starters for team that stays up every season, Benteke obviously brilliant and we sold for massive profit and Okore was a genuinely rated young prospect at CB when we got him before he did his ACL in his 3rd game.

Just don't expect to get anwhere near top 6 just having that as your only transfer policy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2021, 09:50:32 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2021, 09:50:59 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

They seem convinced that we would have no chance of getting him. I recall that they also thought we had no chance of recruiting Lambert when we were a shambles and they finished above us. Not that said transaction worked out brilliantly in the end...

But it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that a player might want to leave a provincial club who seem to have settled for relegation before even starting their campaign to join a massive, upwardly mobile club who are literally the most ambitious on the planet based on the last two years' spending.

Norwich can be added to the Bristol City/Middlesbrough list of weird clubs with weird fans that have a chip on their shoulder about us.

Didn't the Wes Hoolihan thing get them a bit stroppy for a few months as well?

Seems like a lifetime ago.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2021, 09:53:27 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"

Bring him in.

They seem convinced that we would have no chance of getting him. I recall that they also thought we had no chance of recruiting Lambert when we were a shambles and they finished above us. Not that said transaction worked out brilliantly in the end...

But it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that a player might want to leave a provincial club who seem to have settled for relegation before even starting their campaign to join a massive, upwardly mobile club who are literally the most ambitious on the planet based on the last two years' spending.

Norwich can be added to the Bristol City/Middlesbrough list of weird clubs with weird fans that have a chip on their shoulder about us.

Didn't the Wes Hoolihan thing get them a bit stroppy for a few months as well?

Seems like a lifetime ago.

Ha ha, the only player that scored and wouldn't celebrate against a team he was hoping to sign for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2021, 09:58:54 PM
That was mad. I still half expect to see that he's snuck into our pre-season team photo each year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2021, 10:02:36 PM
Played the whole season for Cambridge, got promoted and was nominated for League Two Player Of The Year.

Not bad for 39. He seems like he was at the end of the road when we were being linked with him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: gage against the machine on May 27, 2021, 10:07:48 PM
Yup. Yo-yo.
Holtenders in the sky!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.

Didn't we sign Luna from Getafe or another middling Spanish team?

As much as it looks hilarious transfer strategy now we did try that sort of thing between 2012-14. Westwood and Lowton now established prem starters for team that stays up every season, Benteke obviously brilliant and we sold for massive profit and Okore was a genuinely rated young prospect at CB when we got him before he did his ACL in his 3rd game.

Just don't expect to get anwhere near top 6 just having that as your only transfer policy.

The problem is, we filled a team with cheap gambles and hoped that they'd ALL come off, which was never going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2021, 10:12:29 PM
Yup. Yo-yo.
Holtenders in the sky!

Applauds.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on May 28, 2021, 05:55:46 AM
Yup. Yo-yo.
Holtenders in the sky!

Applauds.

More applause
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villafirst on May 28, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
I'd like to see both Buendia and Pereira signed this summer. We need to add quality reinforcements to the squad. These two fit the bill.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2021, 10:24:05 AM
Played the whole season for Cambridge, got promoted and was nominated for League Two Player Of The Year.

Not bad for 39. He seems like he was at the end of the road when we were being linked with him.

Cultured player. Would still be the only player capable of a probing forward pass in the Irish international team if he was still playing for them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2021, 11:01:28 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 28, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2021, 11:16:30 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.


Point of order. As an alumnus of the school of hard knocks and the University of East Anglia, I can confirm that Norwich isn't flat. Like Rome, it is surrounded by seven hills. It undulates with the best of them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 28, 2021, 11:19:02 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.


Point of order. As an alumnus of the school of hard knocks and the University of East Anglia, I can confirm that Norwich isn't flat. Like Rome, it is surrounded by seven hills. It undulates with the best of them.

I know, I've got friends there and have been there many times, but everyone 'knows' east anglia is really flat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 28, 2021, 11:29:23 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.
Doesn't quite explain the Dutch National team then!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.


Point of order. As an alumnus of the school of hard knocks and the University of East Anglia, I can confirm that Norwich isn't flat. Like Rome, it is surrounded by seven hills. It undulates with the best of them.



Yes went glamping in Cromer last year ,took my bike expecting a few  easy cycles,  bloody lumps everywhere !! beautiful though  !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 11:35:44 AM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.
Doesn't quite explain the Dutch National team then!

No, but it does explain why they're so tall.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2021, 11:45:45 AM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.

Didn't we sign Luna from Getafe or another middling Spanish team?

As much as it looks hilarious transfer strategy now we did try that sort of thing between 2012-14. Westwood and Lowton now established prem starters for team that stays up every season, Benteke obviously brilliant and we sold for massive profit and Okore was a genuinely rated young prospect at CB when we got him before he did his ACL in his 3rd game.

Just don't expect to get anwhere near top 6 just having that as your only transfer policy.

I didn't say to stick them in the first team...I said loan them out until they've developed and added value so we can either sell or integrate into the squad if they're good enough. Buendia was my example of where that would have been really clever business (admittedly with hindsight in my case but I would hope we have people who can spot talent like his). Wouldn't it be great to start integrating a 24-year old player, who we had loaned out for 3 years and was now worth £40m who we had bought as a 21 year old for only £1m? The work we're doing in the academy is fantastic and we may see the same end result in future years but this approach is a slight tangent towards the same end goal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on May 28, 2021, 12:33:05 PM
£1m Buendia cost from Getafe. Would love to see us identify young signings like that, loan them out and then them to come back as the fully developed player instead of having to pay £40m.


Didn't we sign Luna from Getafe or another middling Spanish team?

As much as it looks hilarious transfer strategy now we did try that sort of thing between 2012-14. Westwood and Lowton now established prem starters for team that stays up every season, Benteke obviously brilliant and we sold for massive profit and Okore was a genuinely rated young prospect at CB when we got him before he did his ACL in his 3rd game.

Just don't expect to get anwhere near top 6 just having that as your only transfer policy.

I didn't say to stick them in the first team...I said loan them out until they've developed and added value so we can either sell or integrate into the squad if they're good enough. Buendia was my example of where that would have been really clever business (admittedly with hindsight in my case but I would hope we have people who can spot talent like his). Wouldn't it be great to start integrating a 24-year old player, who we had loaned out for 3 years and was now worth £40m who we had bought as a 21 year old for only £1m? The work we're doing in the academy is fantastic and we may see the same end result in future years but this approach is a slight tangent towards the same end goal.
This could be the approach or a slight variation of it with Wes Edens in supposed talks about investing in Portugese club ,Vitoria Guimares(?)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2021, 12:41:51 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.
Doesn't quite explain the Dutch National team then!

No, but it does explain why they're so tall.
The last time I went to Holland I struggled to reach the urinals or the slot for money in the fag machines.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on May 28, 2021, 12:42:01 PM
McNeil seems a bit of a flat target. Not particularly exciting and not likely to make Grealish think we mean business. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 12:49:08 PM
McNeil seems a bit of a flat target. Not particularly exciting and not likely to make Grealish think we mean business. Disappointing.

He excites me, I'd love us to sign him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
And, may I add, the last left winger that arrived from Burnley turned out to be half decent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 28, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
He's only 21. Aye, not a statement signing, but if the price is right, then on top of other signings he'd be a "daft not to".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2021, 01:21:17 PM
McNeil seems a bit of a flat target. Not particularly exciting and not likely to make Grealish think we mean business. Disappointing.

He excites me, I'd love us to sign him.

I agree.  I think he's quite a cultured player and I can see him going somewhere like Liverpool if we don't snap him up.  He will get better with age too.  Not a sexy signing but one that will work out in the end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 28, 2021, 01:35:55 PM
McNeil seems a bit of a flat target. Not particularly exciting and not likely to make Grealish think we mean business. Disappointing.

He excites me, I'd love us to sign him.

I agree.  I think he's quite a cultured player and I can see him going somewhere like Liverpool if we don't snap him up.  He will get better with age too.  Not a sexy signing but one that will work out in the end.

We've done a lot of those of late..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 01:37:55 PM
I think McNeil is a good player. But I haven’t seen anything that suggests we’re in for him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on May 28, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
I mentioned elsewhere that I'd complained to the BBC Sport website about the Richards article about Man City and Grealish. This is their response:

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What a crock of shit. It completely ignores the fact that they recruit pundits from the 6, and by writing more about them, and nothing about other clubs, they will of course generate more interest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on May 28, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
We need our Robinho. Doesn't matter if it works out, we just need to show our teeth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 02:00:52 PM
Gregg Evans seems to think we have done a lot groundwork on both McNeill and Buendia. Wouldn’t be the worst start to the summer at all if we can secure both of those players quickly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2021, 02:03:56 PM
Seem to fit the 'smart bit of business' line.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on May 28, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
As long as the third is a balls out flashy bastard that makes everybody go 'aye-aye' the Villa have turned up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 02:05:03 PM
And that we don’t rate Pereira as highly as those two.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 02:07:02 PM
As long as the third is a balls out flashy bastard that makes everybody go 'aye-aye' the Villa have turned up.

Isn’t Buendia a little like that? What I don’t want is us overspending to get a player who really wanted to play in Europe and based on the comments made by Purslow I don’t know that would be the target this season. If you look at the gap to the European spots and factor in the Grealish omission period and what we could have added in points I don’t think we need to go crazy just yet to bridge that gap.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2021, 02:13:27 PM
I never thought we'd see another Dwight in real claret and blue.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 02:17:30 PM
I never thought we'd see another Dwight in real claret and blue.

It would be like when we got the black Andy Gray.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 28, 2021, 02:19:49 PM
I'm seeing 50m mentioned. Madness.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on May 28, 2021, 02:20:14 PM
I just don't see a 21 year old from Burnley, who may develop into a decent player, as being the sort of statement that makes Grealish want to stay. 2 goals in 36 games, one of them a poor cross against us that went in, isn't overly impressive either.

With 3 years left and Burnley probably wanting £40m, I just struggle to think that spending £80m on a maybe from Burnley and a Championship player is necessarily smart business.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2021, 02:21:02 PM
Played the whole season for Cambridge, got promoted and was nominated for League Two Player Of The Year.

Not bad for 39. He seems like he was at the end of the road when we were being linked with him.

Cultured player. Would still be the only player capable of a probing forward pass in the Irish international team if he was still playing for them.

Yeah he was very good for Ireland whenever MON did play him. Brilliant goal against Sweden in the Euros that time. Pity he didn't take his career/conditioning a bit more seriously in his younger years, would have got 100 caps easy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 02:21:51 PM
I never thought we'd see another Dwight in real claret and blue.

It would be like when we got the black Andy Gray.

I really liked him, but never in a million years did I think he'd go on to play for England after he left us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on May 28, 2021, 02:34:35 PM
Most of the stories I can find linking us to McNeil are talking £40-50m. He's an ok player but breaking our transfer record to that degree and landing a winger with 7 goals goals in nearly 100 league games would be disappointing. For that money we really should be looking for someone who comes in as one of the best players in the team, not someone that I wouldn't see as an automatic starter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 28, 2021, 02:40:55 PM
Most of the stories I can find linking us to McNeil are talking £40-50m. He's an ok player but breaking our transfer record to that degree and landing a winger with 7 goals goals in nearly 100 league games would be disappointing. For that money we really should be looking for someone who comes in as one of the best players in the team, not someone that I wouldn't see as an automatic starter.
Agree, he is very one paced and I do not think he is lots better than what we have.
We need to sign players that will significantly improve the first 11.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on May 28, 2021, 02:42:50 PM
Is he better than El Ghazi? From what I’ve seen not really a lot in it tbh. If this happens distinctly meh in my book.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2021, 02:47:53 PM
It seems too much of an 'obvious' signing to ring true to me. The kind of transfer that we've done countless times over the decades, with largely mediocre consequences. If we sign McNeil and Buendia, that's basically it in terms of our likely budget. My whelm would be at a low level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on May 28, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
Yeah, I just can't see us spending £40m-£50m on an established-but-not-exceptional Premier League player.  We have a squad full of players like that already.

Buendia I can see as being more realistic, particularly if he's just got a year left on his contract ... you'd think we might be able to pick him up for somewhere in the £10m-£20m region.  I think that'd be a great bit of business - he's a tidy little player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
I can't see any way McNeil will go for £40m.  He's a decent player and will probably surprise a few people I think, but even so any more than £25m would feel steep to me.

I think Buendia is worth more and possibly has a higher ceiling ability wise.

@Algy - Buendia will be much more than £20m.  I would think there will be more than one club in for him and at that sort of level Norwich would probably just keep him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 28, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Having read half a dozen pages of the main Norwich forum's thread on Buendia's potential transfer somewhere, it's basically identical to the Grealish thread when we got promoted. All "sell him to Atletico because I couldn't bear to see him play against us",  "he's better than anyone of his style in the Premier League" and "I feel sorry for Villa fans, being led into thinking they'd have a chance of signing him"#


Bring him in.

Norwich are the archetypal 'get promoted occasionally, act billy big bollocks' rancid second division fans.

Huh...I didn’t even know they had a football team in Norwich. Go figure


Something in those carrots that make them deluded 


I guess if you spend all your life somewhere so flat you lose perspective.


Point of order. As an alumnus of the school of hard knocks and the University of East Anglia, I can confirm that Norwich isn't flat. Like Rome, it is surrounded by seven hills. It undulates with the best of them.

I did not know this, but now I'm wondering if Death Cab For Cutie were actually singing about Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2021, 03:12:36 PM
Almost certainly they were.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2021, 03:14:52 PM
Yeah, I just can't see us spending £40m-£50m on an established-but-not-exceptional Premier League player.  We have a squad full of players like that already.

Buendia I can see as being more realistic, particularly if he's just got a year left on his contract ... you'd think we might be able to pick him up for somewhere in the £10m-£20m region.  I think that'd be a great bit of business - he's a tidy little player.

Not sure where this talk about having one year left on his contract has come from. He signed a 5-year deal in 2019 so there's another 3 years left on his deal - https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2019/july/emi-buendia-signs-new-deal-at-norwich-city/.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 28, 2021, 03:15:45 PM
40 million for a Burnley player I've barely heard of? Fuck that!

I want a wet pants-inducing signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on May 28, 2021, 03:24:39 PM
Adam Peaty?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on May 28, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
Now that the season has ended and the personnel changes have begun …. where are we and where will we be for next season in declaring our 25-man squad?

20/21 end of the season squad;

GK; Heaton, Steer, Martinez, Kalinic (on loan)

CB; Engels, Konsa, Mings, Hause

RB: Elmo, Guilbert (on loan), Cash

LB; Taylor, Targett

DM; Luiz, Nakamba

CM; McGinn, Sanson

AM; Grealish, Barkley (loanee), Ramsey, Hourihane (on loan)

Wingers; Trez, El Ghazi, Traore

Strikers; Wesley, Samatta (on loan), Davis, Vassilev (on loan), Watkins

Keepers; 4  Defenders; 9  Midfielders; 8  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 5

Total; 29 (25 need to be declared) (5 on loan, 1 loaned).

Additions this window;    Reductions this window;         
Vassilev – returned after loan         Barkley – returned after loan
Guilbert – returned after loan         Samatta – £7m sale
Hourihane – returned after loan      Heaton – end of contract. Leaving for Manu.
Kalinic – returned after loan         Taylor – end of contract. Leaves.
                  Elmohamady – end of contract. Leaves.

Question-marks over further reductions still to happen;

Kalinic – sold, loaned or cancelled. Not needed or wanted.
Engels – Use or sell. Club appear to want to sell.
Guilbert – I like him, Deano appears not to; get over it and use Fred. Will be used or sold.
Vassilev – Use or sell. Probably sell unless Deano offers him a new contract.
Hourihane – Sold as surplus to requirements.
Grealish – moves to Citteh for £83m plus addons. Not what we wanted but it’s probably happening.
Wesley – loaned abroad for at least 6 months. Seems to be the club preference.

If that all happens then we will be left with; Transfer income of about £115m, 7 wages saved.

Keepers; 2  Defenders; 5  Midfielders; 5  Wingers; 3  Forwards; 2       Total; 17
Requirements;

Keepers; Backup to Steer needed. Use Sinisalo if required, after his loan period at Ayr. Loan Onodi.

Defense; CB to replace Engels, LB to replace Taylor.
I think Kesler is not defensive enough to provide the backup in the PL. No-one else ready to be promoted from youth setup.

My wishes? Amavi at LB (out of contract this Summer), Guilbert at RB, not sold, ANO young CB with prospects the recruitment team comes up with.

Midfield; on the basis that Meatball, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey could then be used in rotation as the other 2 midfielders in a central/attacking role, the major requirement is for a starter Defensive Midfielder, with Marvellous as backup. In addition, here’s where Raikhy and Kesler and Chuk can be used in the first half of the season (as well as pre-season) to continue integrating with the squad.

My wishes? A stellar, rugged, DM superstar. This is what the recruitment department is for. Earn your keep. Use the money to get the best available. Then use the youngsters more for half a year before a solid loan for some of them after Christmas.

Attack; With Trez injured, Wesley on loan and Jack gone we need 3 purchases here. Watkins remains Number 1 (with Davis as backup) but we need another CF to give options and injury cover for Watkins, and 2 creative central/wide players.

My wishes? Jovic. But Tammy as a decent alternative. Then Rashica or Arrascaeta for wide and Buendia or Pereira as the Jack replacement if we can’t get Son.


Overall; The composition of the team has changed to react to the loss of Jack; it has moved to a high-quality rotation of 3-from-8 up front with the option of changing from that 4-3-3 formation to one with 2 up front (straight 4-4-2 or even a diamond). We’ve got great cover for all positions in defense and midfield with good, high-quality options for injury and loss of form. I’d say the squad quality is up but more widely distributed even with Jack gone. Ready to press for a place in Europe.

If all of these happen the financial consequences are; Transfer spend (net of income); £20-30m, awash with the wages. And we’ll have coped with the loss of Jack and we’ll press for Europe.

Keepers; 2  Defenders; 8  Midfielders; 6  Wingers; 4  Forwards; 4       Total; 24

Promotions from junior squad; for the bench and used as needed.
Sinisalo. Kesler. Chukwuemeka. Raikhy. Don’t need to be declared in the 25

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2021, 03:30:13 PM
As long as the third is a balls out flashy bastard that makes everybody go 'aye-aye' the Villa have turned up.

Exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
Adam Peaty?

Notwithstanding his surname he's not plying his trade at Turf Moor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2021, 04:42:36 PM
40 million for a Burnley player I've barely heard of? Fuck that!

I want a wet pants-inducing signing.

Some wet themselves easier than others.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2021, 04:47:07 PM
Are we after one of McNeil/Pereira/Buendia/De Arrascaeta or two? Have any journalists said?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 04:48:08 PM
Are we after one of McNeil/Pereira/Buendia/De Arrascaeta or two? Have any journalists said?

Gregg Evans said we appear to be interested in McNeil and Buendia and less so Pereira.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Thanks. So with the idea of signing them both? I could live with that I think.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on May 28, 2021, 04:55:17 PM
Apparently Villa, Leicester, Everton and Wolves are all after Dwight McNeil and the fee could be as much as fifty million. Personally I doubt any of those clubs are in the market for fifty million pound players this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2021, 05:00:35 PM
Everton have been paying stupid money for the last few transfer windows so I wouldn’t be surprised if they bid £5.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 05:00:46 PM
Buendia is a 10 and McNeil is a AML.  Where would we play Grealish?
My hunch we are after one of them.  With Grealish moving to 10 if we sign McNeil.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2021, 05:02:55 PM
I've just watched a minute of Dwight McNeil on Youtube. He looks like a clumsy Jack Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2021, 05:03:01 PM
Everton have been paying stupid money for the last few transfer windows so I wouldn’t be surprised if they bid £5.

Have they been bought by the ghost of Doug?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on May 28, 2021, 05:11:13 PM
If anyone pays 50m for McNeil after the last financial year, then I reckon Burnley will throw a party.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on May 28, 2021, 05:25:40 PM
You could buy the whole of Burnley for £50M, and still have change for a Holland’s pie
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on May 28, 2021, 05:27:52 PM
Tammy is a bargain at £40 million, if these McNeil reports are accurate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2021, 05:33:04 PM
You could buy the whole of Burnley for £50m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2021, 06:00:49 PM
Most of the stories I can find linking us to McNeil are talking £40-50m. He's an ok player but breaking our transfer record to that degree and landing a winger with 7 goals goals in nearly 100 league games would be disappointing. For that money we really should be looking for someone who comes in as one of the best players in the team, not someone that I wouldn't see as an automatic starter.
I've not really seen what it is that makes McNeil a £40m player; £20m, maybe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
What does £20m get you in the PL now? Not much, and he’s better than players in the not much shop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2021, 06:19:56 PM
Most of the stories I can find linking us to McNeil are talking £40-50m. He's an ok player but breaking our transfer record to that degree and landing a winger with 7 goals goals in nearly 100 league games would be disappointing. For that money we really should be looking for someone who comes in as one of the best players in the team, not someone that I wouldn't see as an automatic starter.

I've not really seen what it is that makes McNeil a £40m player; £20m, maybe.

This is why I can't see it. £20m is no use to Burnley, and we surely wouldn't pay £40m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on May 28, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
You could buy the whole of Burnley for £50m.

I couldn’t. I haven’t got £50m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2021, 07:06:54 PM
Everton have been paying stupid money for the last few transfer windows so I wouldn’t be surprised if they bid £5.
Have they been bought by the ghost of Doug?
Why do zeros go missing when you need them most?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2021, 07:20:28 PM
Apparently Villa, Leicester, Everton and Wolves are all after Dwight McNeil and the fee could be as much as fifty million. Personally I doubt any of those clubs are in the market for fifty million pound players this summer.

He's not Portuguese, which rules out Wolves.

He's massively overpriced and underwhelming, which points to Everton.

I wonder what will happen with Maddison this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2021, 07:25:29 PM
i don’t believe we will go after established premiership players  at that price
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 07:27:33 PM
In the current climate he’s a £25-30m player tops. And that’s with the “he’s British innit tax”. He has the potential to offer a lot more. The question is will Burnley sell for that. Any club going to £40m plus would be bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 08:14:31 PM
I think McNeil looks a potentially very good player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2021, 08:39:14 PM
He looks alright, no better than what we already have out wide though. If we're paying that kind of money I'd want a big upgrade on El-Ghazi/Traore
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2021, 09:47:38 PM
He’s a talent but if we stick to our usual purchasing criteria then we would be paying over the odds for a player who’s not quite cooked yet, as opposed to a finished article who we have a resale value on. Therefore, the quoted fee of 50 mill must be utter shite?  25 mill maybe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2021, 09:58:05 PM
He looks alright, no better than what we already have out wide though. If we're paying that kind of money I'd want a big upgrade on El-Ghazi/Traore

Same for me. I want the wide player we sign to be real match winner. McNeill is good but not sure he quite scales up to that level.

Mind you he reminds me a bit of Milner when we signed him from Newcastle as a wide player and took him a shade over 12 months to become one of the best midfielders in the league so you never know.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2021, 10:04:33 PM
Good point there. I remember being massively unimpressed when we spent £12 million on Milner.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2021, 10:55:04 PM
40 million for a Burnley player I've barely heard of? Fuck that!

I want a wet pants-inducing signing.

I still think we might be a season away from that.  A couple of quality additions that improve both the starting XI and the squad this summer, followed by another improvement next season and I think we hopefully could be in a position to look at bringing in a real top quality signing this time next year to push us on again. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 10:56:59 PM
I think he’s the sort of player who will thrive in an attacking side. He looks to have real quality.
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Post by: enigma on May 28, 2021, 11:49:49 PM
I'm in the minority it seems but I'd be very happy with Mcneil. Already a huge talent and only 21 so will improve. I'd be surprised if we paid £40m - £50m though. Either way, can't see him staying at Burnley for much longer. A much bigger club will take him soon.
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Post by: eamonn on May 29, 2021, 12:07:14 AM
Can't we trade-off some fringe players to Burnley as part-ex? Not sure who our modern-day Ashley Westwood and Matt Lowton are...maybe one of Taylor/Elmohammady but they were both released today.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 01:09:41 AM
He looks alright, no better than what we already have out wide though. If we're paying that kind of money I'd want a big upgrade on El-Ghazi/Traore
I’m not saying sign him or that he’s top class but is he good enough to improve the squad of the team who finished 11th in the league? Yes.

Depending on the price being right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on May 29, 2021, 02:47:46 AM
Man City having a clearout, Sterling and Mahrez both big names and a big price tag, not sure who has the finances, Sterling only twenty six but out of favour lately.
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 29, 2021, 05:16:25 AM
I don’t think we’ll sign more than 2 or 3. We need a player in the Viera mould. Maybe a top class winger and possibly a striker, with Davies going on loan for a season. Uh Not sure how much that will cost. Guessing the budget will be around 60m - 80m.

Hopefully Guilbert comes back to push Cash on too. Like see Carney in the mix next season too.

2 maybe 3 high class additions should see us kick on again next time.

Fingers crossed we can keep hold of Grealish. I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere, but you never know until the window shuts.

Probably would sell Hourihane if the price is right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2021, 06:51:18 AM
We should bring in Lesley Crowther if The Price Is Right.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 07:27:40 AM
DM and wing attack.
and a bit of full back cover.

Jobs a good un
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 07:28:08 AM
We should bring in Lesley Crowther if The Price Is Right.
doesn’t sound like the galactico fans are demanding. No deal.
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Post by: garyellis on May 29, 2021, 09:45:06 AM
The comparison with Milner is a good one re McNeil.. what’s £12m in 2008 worth in today’s money?
The fact he is only 21 is a big plus.
Personally I like the Wolves lad Neto and Newcastle’s Saint-Maximin but I have no idea if they are gettable.
I mentioned Zaha previously but a lot think he would be a negative impact on the dressing room which is fair enough.
I was only looking at players that would improve us and come straight into the first team.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2021, 09:46:58 AM
Man City having a clearout, Sterling and Mahrez both big names and a big price tag, not sure who has the finances, Sterling only twenty six but out of favour lately.

Now you're talking. This is the sort of Galactico news I want. Would be happy with either of these or Maddison.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 29, 2021, 09:51:27 AM
Liverpool are apparently planning to offload Origi. Only 26, probably in the 30m price range. Winger/forward. Any takers?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Origi for less than £30m makes sense, but not more.
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 29, 2021, 10:27:09 AM
I like McNeill and think he would thrive in this Villa side - Can't believe he's only 21. Feels like he's been around for ages?!
Oh, and a definite no to Origi - Tammy should fill that slot.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
Liverpool are apparently planning to offload Origi. Only 26, probably in the 30m price range. Winger/forward. Any takers?

Nah.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2021, 10:37:43 AM
DM and wing attack.
and a bit of full back cover.

Jobs a good un

I’d love to see DM at Villa Park, but with his age and history of substance usage I’m not sure Dave Gahan has the pace for the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 11:02:07 AM
Liverpool are apparently planning to offload Origi. Only 26, probably in the 30m price range. Winger/forward. Any takers?
nah
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on May 29, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
I thought DM was a decent player when he played against us but now checking a few YT videos such as this, he has a bit of Mahrez about him. I say get him in and he’ll be playing for England this time next year

https://youtu.be/0O-PXgpin8M
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on May 29, 2021, 11:13:54 AM
Most people here seem to be of the opinion that we need a DM enforcer. So what's the list of possibles? I'm excluding Kante, Rodri, Jorginho and a few others as they wouldn't be getable for either money reasons or the player not wanting to swap CL/Europa league football for a chance at same the year after next.

So who does that leave? What does Lange and his band of analysts have up their sleeves?

Weigl languishing at Benfica? Paredes having had his nose put out of joint at PSG? Berge relegated with the Blades? Bissouma likewise at Fulham?

Any others worth considering?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
DM and wing attack.
and a bit of full back cover.

Jobs a good un

I’d love to see DM at Villa Park, but with his age and history of substance usage I’m not sure Dave Gahan has the pace for the Premier League.

He doesn't fit in with our Policy of Youth. Would have been useful last season with the lockdown though, as he's known to Enjoy the Silence.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 29, 2021, 11:58:28 AM
Most people here seem to be of the opinion that we need a DM enforcer. So what's the list of possibles? I'm excluding Kante, Rodri, Jorginho and a few others as they wouldn't be getable for either money reasons or the player not wanting to swap CL/Europa league football for a chance at same the year after next.

So who does that leave? What does Lange and his band of analysts have up their sleeves?

Weigl languishing at Benfica? Paredes having had his nose put out of joint at PSG? Berge relegated with the Blades? Bissouma likewise at Fulham?

Any others worth considering?

Josh Onomah?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
It feels like DS perhaps had more influence on last summer's signings that he'll have on this year's. Lange hadn't been here long and we largely took players that Dean will have known well (or did know well in Ollie). Lange's had a year with his feet under the table and has recruited people he knows so there's perhaps a good chance that signings might be more from left field this time around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
Smith's signings worked out better than Susos
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2021, 12:10:45 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2021, 01:15:20 PM
I think McNeil looks a potentially very good player.

Burnley supporting mate said about McNeil; 'Potentially good but needs encouragement to take players on'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2021, 01:17:12 PM
I think McNeil looks a potentially very good player.

Burnley supporting mate said about McNeil; 'Potentially good but needs encouragement to take players on'.
and a yard of pace.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2021, 01:25:19 PM
DM and wing attack.
and a bit of full back cover.

Jobs a good un

I’d love to see DM at Villa Park, but with his age and history of substance usage I’m not sure Dave Gahan has the pace for the Premier League.

He doesn't fit in with our Policy of Youth. Would have been useful last season with the lockdown though, as he's known to Enjoy the Silence.

Its only a question of time until we get someone and we be an exciter.   Theres a great Spirit down Villa now and I just cant get enough and its great to shake the disease of recennt years and we are getting the balance right in the team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
I think McNeil looks a potentially very good player.

Burnley supporting mate said about McNeil; 'Potentially good but needs encouragement to take players on'.
and a yard of pace.

He's not slow but as I mentioned yesterday, he's like a clumsy Jack Grealish, he doesn't have that real close control so everything looks exaggerated and slower than it should take.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
Seems like people have watched a lot of Burnley the past few seasons. 
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2021, 02:37:56 PM
Seems like people have watched a lot of Burnley the past few seasons. 

I haven't, but if lots of people had it would hardly be a surprise. There hasn't been an awful lot else for people to do. I'd personally prefer to count the number of individual hairs in my stubble rather than watch them if they weren't playing us, but other people can be idiosyncratic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
Origi for less than £30m makes sense, but not more.

Half that maybe. He is what 5th choice for 3 places.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2021, 02:50:26 PM
Can't we trade-off some fringe players to Burnley as part-ex? Not sure who our modern-day Ashley Westwood and Matt Lowton are...maybe one of Taylor/Elmohammady but they were both released today.

Surprised they haven't taken Hourihane off us in last 6 months...usually the sort Dyche likes of pick up. Nakamba could do alright there aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2021, 02:51:14 PM
If we were spending a fortune on McNeil (or another left winger), that would suggest Grealish will be playing the 10 position. Where would that leave Buendia in the first choice team?

Similarly, if we sign Buendia, then presumably Grealish will stay on the left in the first choice team. So where would that leave McNeil?

I can't see us spending £40-50m on a squad player and I don't think Traore will be given a lesser role so I don't think we will want both McNeil and Buendia. And from what I've seen Buendia looks the much better player. I like Jack on the left too, I think it suits him better. Unless the coaching staff think that playing the 10 role will reduce the amount of running he needs to do?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2021, 02:56:33 PM
Seems like people have watched a lot of Burnley the past few seasons. 

I watched an 1 minute video of McNeil on Youtube yesterday but then I'm a very good judge of a player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2021, 03:21:13 PM
If we were spending a fortune on McNeil (or another left winger), that would suggest Grealish will be playing the 10 position. Where would that leave Buendia in the first choice team?

Similarly, if we sign Buendia, then presumably Grealish will stay on the left in the first choice team. So where would that leave McNeil?

I can't see us spending £40-50m on a squad player and I don't think Traore will be given a lesser role so I don't think we will want both McNeil and Buendia. And from what I've seen Buendia looks the much better player. I like Jack on the left too, I think it suits him better. Unless the coaching staff think that playing the 10 role will reduce the amount of running he needs to do?

Personally I want Jack in the middle anyway but I've never really thought of the 'less impact on the body' angle. Interesting. No idea if it holds up but you do just presume it's more effort chasing wingers and fullbacks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2021, 03:29:56 PM
Most people here seem to be of the opinion that we need a DM enforcer. So what's the list of possibles? I'm excluding Kante, Rodri, Jorginho and a few others as they wouldn't be getable for either money reasons or the player not wanting to swap CL/Europa league football for a chance at same the year after next.
So who does that leave? What does Lange and his band of analysts have up their sleeves?
Weigl languishing at Benfica? Paredes having had his nose put out of joint at PSG? Berge relegated with the Blades? Bissouma likewise at Fulham?
Any others worth considering?
Bissouma was at Brighton last season and is still therefore a Premier League player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2021, 04:01:49 PM
We should bring in Lesley Crowther if The Price Is Right.
Come on down Lesley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on May 29, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Conor off,subbed and the Swansea midfielder,Fulton,sent off.Saw Fulton for a few minutes v Barnsley and now this game and he looks a real nasty t**t,always looking to pick an argument.
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 29, 2021, 04:30:59 PM
 ;Wrong thread
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Post by: garyellis on May 29, 2021, 04:40:57 PM
What about the big Swansea Centre back Cubango? Only 20
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 04:46:17 PM
What about the big Swansea Centre back Cubango? Only 20
both of the Swansea centre backs have had good seasons.
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Post by: garyellis on May 29, 2021, 04:49:14 PM
What about the big Swansea Centre back Cubango? Only 20
both of the Swansea centre backs have had good seasons.
They impressed me against Barnsley the strategy to unsettle them and rough them up simply failed and they just got stronger over the two legs.
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 29, 2021, 04:52:07 PM
Andre Ayew is out of contract.Cheap back up for Ollie ?
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Post by: dave shelley on May 29, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
Not for me.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Andre Ayew is out of contract.Cheap back up for Ollie ?

No chance. Both Ayew’s and certainly the elder aren’t PL players anymore. He wasn’t that great when he was younger.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 05:05:11 PM
double post
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 05:05:27 PM

From google

Andre Ayew is currently estimated to be worth over $22.0 million. That's his net worth - not his transfer value.

let that sink in.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 29, 2021, 05:11:49 PM
Saves and invests wisely, obviously.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 05:23:21 PM
Saves and invests wisely, obviously.
worth more than his brother :D
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 29, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
There's also a chance that these websites that tell you how much people are 'worth' don't know anything and make it all up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
There's also a chance that these websites that tell you how much people are 'worth' don't know anything and make it all up.
absolutely - the truth is they're probably worth more :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2021, 07:36:33 PM
DM and wing attack.
and a bit of full back cover.

Jobs a good un

I’d love to see DM at Villa Park, but with his age and history of substance usage I’m not sure Dave Gahan has the pace for the Premier League.

He doesn't fit in with our Policy of Youth. Would have been useful last season with the lockdown though, as he's known to Enjoy the Silence.

Its only a question of time until we get someone and we be an exciter.   Theres a great Spirit down Villa now and I just cant get enough and its great to shake the disease of recennt years and we are getting the balance right in the team.

It’s a good job Bertrand Traore is a big lad. We wouldn’t want a Little 15.
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Post by: Border villan on May 29, 2021, 07:37:54 PM
Tammy Abraham does not make the Chelsea team or bench of 11 for tonight.

Back on our list?
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 29, 2021, 07:51:49 PM
Tammy Abraham does not make the Chelsea team or bench of 11 for tonight.

Back on our list?

Sky has 12 on the bench and 2 are goal keepers ffs. Poor tammy
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2021, 08:47:44 PM
Good point there. I remember being massively unimpressed when we spent £12 million on Milner.

Really?

I think back to that as a transfer pretty much nobody had any qualms about, I remember only universal joy that we were bringing him back.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 29, 2021, 08:52:35 PM
it seemed a lot of money at the time
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2021, 09:50:09 PM
Good point there. I remember being massively unimpressed when we spent £12 million on Milner.

Really?

I think back to that as a transfer pretty much nobody had any qualms about, I remember only universal joy that we were bringing him back.

Think it was just the price, 12m in those days was our record transfer fee which shows how quickly things have changed. Now that gets you Trez as a squad player.

Can also remember this yearning for Shaun Wright Phillips around the time from a few on here and elsewhere although he was already in semi retirement at that stage so one we actually dodged.
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Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2021, 01:56:18 AM
Yeah, I eye-rolled at the £12m for Milner. Another MON-type English plodder.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 30, 2021, 02:49:55 AM
I don't get much right but the Milner transfer was a no brainer for me.
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Post by: jwarry on May 30, 2021, 08:39:54 AM
Tenuous sources but Loftus-Cheek and Tammy as Chelsea make room for more big signings. Think I’d take both of them and suspect they would please Jack
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Post by: Dave on May 30, 2021, 08:42:40 AM
I'm not sure that Loftus-Cheek gets in our current midfield, and consensus seems to be that is the area we need to be improving on.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 08:49:53 AM
My problem with RLC is the injuries. I mean he played 21 games for Fulham. Was he injured again or just couldn't get in the side?
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Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
There is a player in there with Ruben Loftus-Cheek but he needs to be rediscovered.  A loan with an agreement to buy if all works out, might be a sensible idea.  I am not sold on Tammy Abraham though.  Not sure why. 
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Post by: Stu on May 30, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
Alan Nixon tweeting that we're listening to loan offers for Jed Steer, therefore likely to be signing a back up keeper.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Not keen on that idea.
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Post by: Allan C on May 30, 2021, 11:25:39 AM
There is a player in there with Ruben Loftus-Cheek but he needs to be rediscovered.  A loan with an agreement to buy if all works out, might be a sensible idea.  I am not sold on Tammy Abraham though.  Not sure why.
Agree about Tammy, I loved him and would have taken him after promotion but we’ve got Ollie now and we’ve moved on. I feel we need to sign players who are better than what we have to challenge. That’s why I think Loftus-Cheek is not for us. He’s no improvement IMO
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Post by: danno on May 30, 2021, 11:29:45 AM
Presumably that would be Jed Steer wanting to move on?  I thought he was a decent back up keeper.  Maybe we want Martinez to have real competition?  I saw us linked with Gazzaniga.  But thought it was B.S.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Anyone think we'll be back in for Tzuanzebe? Out of contract next summer I think, we're two defenders down and he's versatile,  ManU needing money to fund their mega-signing for the armchairs etc etc...
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2021, 11:41:31 AM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 11:44:06 AM
Alan Nixon tweeting that we're listening to loan offers for Jed Steer, therefore likely to be signing a back up keeper.
unless Steer wants to go then I think it's pointless selling him to sign someone similar. Better the devil you know....
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 11:44:55 AM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.
I tend to agree but Abraham and Tuanzebe could do a job for us in the Premier League
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 11:45:50 AM
Well he's a youngster(ish) and beats bringing in older squad players which was my thinking. Obviously if Smith intends to replace any of the back 4 that's a different matter
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Post by: danno on May 30, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Tuanzebe would be Ok. Hause has kicked on. My only reservation would be his injury record and the Old Trafford hangover. He couldn’t rock up here and expect to be first choice.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
Tuanzebe is always injured and wasn't even that good in the first place. The obsession with him is bizarre.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2021, 11:51:59 AM
I'm queasy about signing players who see us as a step down.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 30, 2021, 11:58:22 AM
Alan Nixon tweeting that we're listening to loan offers for Jed Steer, therefore likely to be signing a back up keeper.

How's Kalinic doing? He's still got two years left on his contract.
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Post by: algy on May 30, 2021, 12:38:32 PM
Alan Nixon tweeting that we're listening to loan offers for Jed Steer, therefore likely to be signing a back up keeper.

How's Kalinic doing? He's still got two years left on his contract.
Interesting thought - if we're struggling to flog him, and we're planning on bringing in a young ish backup keeper, it probably makes sense for Jed Steer to have a season out on loan.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 30, 2021, 12:55:11 PM
I think we are past looking at players that can do a job, better players that can improve us.
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Post by: Eckybloke on May 30, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
I think this is the window we should go for some top quality experience. A gnarly old pro from a routinely established Champions League team. Someone in front of the defence who everyone learns from and that can point the way to a sustained top 6 lifestyle.

Would hate for us to shit the bed as it gets closer because we don’t have that experience.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2021, 01:05:34 PM
Thinking about the Ruben Loftus-Cheek link.  Is that not what we bought Morgan Sanson for? Would RLC be a replacement for Hourihane?
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 30, 2021, 01:09:05 PM
RLC has gone backwards in last 3 years. Not for me
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Post by: CT on May 30, 2021, 01:10:38 PM
RLC has gone backwards in last 3 years. Not for me

After watching him playing for Fulham, I’d be steering miles away from him personally.
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Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
I think this is the window we should go for some top quality experience. A gnarly old pro from a routinely established Champions League team. Someone in front of the defence who everyone learns from and that can point the way to a sustained top 6 lifestyle.

Would hate for us to shit the bed as it gets closer because we don’t have that experience.

If we're after someone like that I'd like us to go for Matic.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2021, 02:08:28 PM
Tuanzebe isn’t much better than Hause.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2021, 02:13:25 PM
Tuanzebe isn’t much better than Hause.

I think Hause is better.  Possibly not as quick as Tuanzebe but better in the air? Tuanzebe doesn't take us forward either.
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Post by: OCD on May 30, 2021, 02:17:22 PM
Hause has become really good. We didn't miss Mings when he filled in for him and they looked good with Konsa at right back.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2021, 02:20:48 PM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.

On the subject of former players, what about Benteke?  Anyone coming in is likely to be second choice to Watkins, so he would likely be starting on the bench and working from there.  If (and it’s a sizeable ‘if’) he could recover his form then he would be an asset and if not, he’s out of contract so wouldn’t cost us a transfer fee. 
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 02:32:04 PM
Benteke has had about 15 good games in 6 years - it's a no from me. As much as he can be unplayable on his day.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.

On the subject of former players, what about Benteke?  Anyone coming in is likely to be second choice to Watkins, so he would likely be starting on the bench and working from there.  If (and it’s a sizeable ‘if’) he could recover his form then he would be an asset and if not, he’s out of contract so wouldn’t cost us a transfer fee. 

Can I shock you? I like wine.

He was on daft money at Palace. If he was happy to come as a backup on £30k per week (I still can't believe that that would be considered a derisory wage for any human) then it could be worth considering if there are no up and coming players who'd do the same.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2021, 02:53:52 PM
I hope Emi is in the ear of Buendia every hour of every day. It looks like Emi could be getting his first cap for Argentina on the 3rd of June against Chile, followed by an away trip to Colombia. After that it's the Copa America. Buendia is likely to be watching either from the bench or stand. Come on, Buendia, you know it makes sense.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2021, 02:58:20 PM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.

On the subject of former players, what about Benteke?  Anyone coming in is likely to be second choice to Watkins, so he would likely be starting on the bench and working from there.  If (and it’s a sizeable ‘if’) he could recover his form then he would be an asset and if not, he’s out of contract so wouldn’t cost us a transfer fee. 

Can I shock you? I like wine.

He was on daft money at Palace. If he was happy to come as a backup on £30k per week (I still can't believe that that would be considered a derisory wage for any human) then it could be worth considering if there are no up and coming players who'd do the same.

Reports in some papers are suggesting that Palace are looking at re-signing him on a reduced wage.  I just think it might be a difficult job bringing in a quality forward who knows they will be coming in as second choice.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 30, 2021, 03:10:30 PM
Tuanzebe is always injured and wasn't even that good in the first place. The obsession with him is bizarre.

It really is. If he hadn't played for us briefly, nobody here would even have heard of him, let alone want to sign him.
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Post by: algy on May 30, 2021, 03:38:57 PM
I think this is the window we should go for some top quality experience. A gnarly old pro from a routinely established Champions League team. Someone in front of the defence who everyone learns from and that can point the way to a sustained top 6 lifestyle.

Would hate for us to shit the bed as it gets closer because we don’t have that experience.
Yeah, I was thinking that. We need our equivalent of Cambiasso for Leicester. Solid rock of a player to sit in midfield, show everyone how it's done, pass on some experience to Dougie to help take him up a level.
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Post by: Smirker on May 30, 2021, 04:11:11 PM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.

On the subject of former players, what about Benteke?  Anyone coming in is likely to be second choice to Watkins, so he would likely be starting on the bench and working from there.  If (and it’s a sizeable ‘if’) he could recover his form then he would be an asset and if not, he’s out of contract so wouldn’t cost us a transfer fee. 

Can I shock you? I like wine.

He was on daft money at Palace. If he was happy to come as a backup on £30k per week (I still can't believe that that would be considered a derisory wage for any human) then it could be worth considering if there are no up and coming players who'd do the same.

Reports in some papers are suggesting that Palace are looking at re-signing him on a reduced wage.  I just think it might be a difficult job bringing in a quality forward who knows they will be coming in as second choice.

Bring one in as first choice then  8)
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Post by: richtheholtender on May 30, 2021, 04:53:47 PM
What would be nice is if we can get our business done early.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 30, 2021, 05:29:24 PM
I'm not sure that Loftus-Cheek gets in our current midfield, and consensus seems to be that is the area we need to be improving on.

I'm not sure he made much of an impression at Fulham
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Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2021, 06:04:45 PM
Tuanzebe, Loftus-Cheek and Ambraham, all players rejected by clubs where we want to be as not good enough and yet I get the impression that a huge amount of Villa fans would consider that a good window.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
Abraham - good signing
Tuanzebe - could replace Engels - but wouldn't play over Mings and/or Konsa
RLC - Avoid.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2021, 06:26:38 PM
Tuanzebe, Loftus-Cheek and Ambraham, all players rejected by clubs where we want to be as not good enough and yet I get the impression that a huge amount of Villa fans would consider that a good window.

Emi Martinez was rejected for 7 years by a club (at the time) where we want to be as not good enough. Tyrone Mings wasn't good enough to be in the Bournemouth first team. Matt Targett wasn't considered first team material by Southampton.

Of course not to say that all of those you've named will be as good for us as Emi (personally I wouldn't want Loftus-Cheek); but I'm not sure that how their current club rate them is the be all and end all. What they could be is more important.
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Post by: OCD on May 30, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Just because the latest in a long line of Chelsea managers doesn't rate Abraham doesn't mean he can't make himself a success elsewhere. Teams that have more money than sense, like Chelsea, will always go for the latest flavour of the month especially in forward positions.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 06:38:36 PM
Just because the latest in a long line of Chelsea managers doesn't rate Abraham doesn't mean he can't make himself a success elsewhere. Teams that have more money than sense, like Chelsea, will always go for the latest flavour of the month especially in forward positions.
I think Abraham would have out-scored Werner if he would have started as many games - but you can't really argue with what they've achieved this season. Werner in their side works.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 30, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
Tuchel tactics are defensive , they press drop press drop and they sit pretty deep. Therefore they need to counter at speed, Werner is perfectly suited to that role Tammy isn’t.
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Post by: johnny from donny on May 30, 2021, 07:09:15 PM
Salah and  De Bruyne were both deemed not good enough for Chelsea if memory serves.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
Salah and  De Bruyne were both deemed not good enough for Chelsea if memory serves.
around the same time as Lukaku too.
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Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
It's all good naming those players but does anyone think there aren't a lot more examples of players struggling after leaving thise clubs.
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Post by: algy on May 30, 2021, 08:20:43 PM
For me, Tuanzebe would've been a decent signing (at the right price) when we came up. 2 years on, I don't see why we'd sign him. He'll be 4th choice centre back, and so just blocking a route in to the first team squad for the U23s rather than doing anything productive. He'd be playing, what, half a dozen games a season at most...

RLC - no.

Tammy is the difficult one. I'm veering towards the "no" side because I'm not sure how you'd fit him & Watkins in to our formation, I'm not sure we could sell Wesley, and Davis I think is fine as a #3 striker in a team that just plays 1 striker. Don't gst nee wrong, I'd be quite chuffed if we signed him because I think he'd do well for us ... I'd just wonder if it's the most useful signing we could make for £40m+.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
I suggested Tuanzebe not because i'm a massive fanboy of him but because he'd provide competition at right-back and centre half and give us cover for injuries at possibly the right price. End of the day we need some numbers in defence with the departures with maybe more to come and  he seems like someone who could possibly be a 1st team regular given his age. The other option is either play kids who you can't rely on to make the grade, or buy dedicated squad players if your happy with the 1st choice centre halfs/right backs. Or buy someone who will replace one of the 1st choice centre halfs/right backs if your not. As for the current defensive reserves, well they're hardly pushing the current 1st teamers for a spot
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2021, 09:22:51 PM
I think this is the window we should go for some top quality experience. A gnarly old pro from a routinely established Champions League team. Someone in front of the defence who everyone learns from and that can point the way to a sustained top 6 lifestyle.

Would hate for us to shit the bed as it gets closer because we don’t have that experience.

If we're after someone like that I'd like us to go for Matic.

I'd have had someone of that ilk in our near relegation season but really not sure know. Judging from his sub cameos this season he'd be way off the pace. When we played up there all he did when coming on with 5 minutes left was kick Jack (and he obviously didn't get booked until the 4th one playing for them).

Currently Mings, Konsa, Emi, Jack and McGinn are all growing as a group at prem level and a fair few of them are close to 100 prem games now so think we aren't as dependent on experienced heads as a year ago.

Axel being mentioned again. To me it actually makes sense given he'd push the current two far more than Engels has done in last year.

Can also fill in at RB if needed.

It will actually be interesting what we do with the full back positions now we've released our main back ups. See people demanding we sign Rico Henry but I really don't see the logic in signing someone for 15-20m who'll just play cup games up to xmas.

That's a decent chunk of the budget, would much rather get a versatile CB who can also fill in one of the full back positions when required so yes Axel will be in that category and feels like he needs to move on from Man. United now and get his career going.

Worst thing is do nothing and then someone like Konsa gets a bad injury early next season so we lose top class CB and someone who can fill in at RB when required.
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Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2021, 10:22:28 PM
Shouldn't we be thinking of a pair of new full backs now that Elmo and Taylor have left?

Guilbert coming back to fight for his place and Kesler putting pressure on him and Cash would suggest the right-side is ok. On the left, Targett was probably the league's most improved player this season but he needs competition. Not sure who we have at U23 there and if they are up to challenging him.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2021, 10:36:07 PM
I think we need to be looking forward rather than going back for players who did well for us in the second division.

On the subject of former players, what about Benteke?  Anyone coming in is likely to be second choice to Watkins, so he would likely be starting on the bench and working from there.  If (and it’s a sizeable ‘if’) he could recover his form then he would be an asset and if not, he’s out of contract so wouldn’t cost us a transfer fee. 

Can I shock you? I like wine.

He was on daft money at Palace. If he was happy to come as a backup on £30k per week (I still can't believe that that would be considered a derisory wage for any human) then it could be worth considering if there are no up and coming players who'd do the same.

Reports in some papers are suggesting that Palace are looking at re-signing him on a reduced wage.  I just think it might be a difficult job bringing in a quality forward who knows they will be coming in as second choice.

Bring one in as first choice then  8)

Would be nice, but think it would have to be a big name to shift Watkins from that spot.  It is going to be hard to strike a balance, as any new striker coming in is likely to be starting as second choice.  I think we do need someone, but think we would probably be potentially looking at a promising lower league or younger striker who would come in as second choice.  I think more established strikers would have options to be first choice somewhere. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2021, 11:55:32 PM
Shouldn't we be thinking of a pair of new full backs now that Elmo and Taylor have left?

Guilbert coming back to fight for his place and Kesler putting pressure on him and Cash would suggest the right-side is ok. On the left, Targett was probably the league's most improved player this season but he needs competition. Not sure who we have at U23 there and if they are up to challenging him.

They don't have to always cost 15-20m though that's the point. We could just sign someone on season long loan for example or get in a CB who's fine there, pretty sure I read Wolves might move on Saiss so he's the sort of versatile defender you can pick up for a couple of million and who'll add experience and reliability if we get some injuries.

Leicester signed James Justin for about 7m in summer 2019 from Luton so that's example of clever thinking, had him as backup for six months before he started breaking into the team.

There's a bigger world out there than just signing Rico Henry for about 18m.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2021, 12:13:28 AM
Shouldn't we be thinking of a pair of new full backs now that Elmo and Taylor have left?

Guilbert coming back to fight for his place and Kesler putting pressure on him and Cash would suggest the right-side is ok. On the left, Targett was probably the league's most improved player this season but he needs competition. Not sure who we have at U23 there and if they are up to challenging him.

Is Guilbert realistically going to want to stay to be an unused sub for months at end? Unlikely I would have thought without some assurances given around playing time. Engels will surely move on, did he even kick a ball for us last season? I think we have seen the last of both in a Villa shirt to be honest.

In the circumstances, Tuanzebe would be a no brainer for me. Hause never lets us down but playing a guy RCB that is unable to kick a ball with his right foot won't work out well bar the odd game. Not sure at left back, I guess Mings or Hause could step in if required on occasion.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 31, 2021, 02:26:02 AM
The worry i have with Buendia is that although he had a great season in the championship, the season before in the Prem he only managed one goal (if reports are correct). Can he handle the extra pressure?
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Post by: jwarry on May 31, 2021, 07:26:50 AM
I think we should put a Bid in for Jack Harrison just to wind those northerners up
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 08:27:45 AM
This Belotti we keep getting linked to doesn't seem a bad option if the price being quoted is right. If they're all skint over there because of COVID finances it would make sense to take advantage,
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Post by: Lescottstweets on May 31, 2021, 08:40:11 AM
Just because the latest in a long line of Chelsea managers doesn't rate Abraham doesn't mean he can't make himself a success elsewhere. Teams that have more money than sense, like Chelsea, will always go for the latest flavour of the month especially in forward positions.

Exactly, I’m sure it was Chelsea that didn’t think Mo Salah or Kevin De Bruyne were good enough either.
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 31, 2021, 08:41:04 AM
I’m not sure Chelsea could realistically expect to get $40m for Tammy now. I reckon $20-25m may be enough to get him, maybe plus add ons for appearances/goals. He’d come in as 2nd string to Ollie presumably, but he’d offer something different say if we were chasing a game and needed to maybe go 2 up front. He could also slot in if Ollie was moved out wide during a game. Plus touch wood Ollie doesn’t get injured, but he would’ve played every game (I think, but for his suspension). Realistically he’s likely to get the odd niggle maybe next season. Abraham may not feature in every game for Villa next season, but he could expect to feature much more than he has at Chelsea and if he grabs his chances to cement his place when they come it can only be good for Villa. If we could get him, I’d maybe send Davies out on loan in the championship to get some confidence and hopefully find his scoring boots and have Tammy and Wes scrap to get in the side. Another option is season long loan for Tammy with an option to buy.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2021, 08:45:47 AM
From Belotti's wiki... An acrobatic player, he has also scored several overhead kick goals in his career.

Get him in!
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Yeah, looks totally different from Watkins as well in style of play. If he's really going for 15m to Roma, and Torino want 25m for him, it would be rude not to help them out.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2021, 09:07:01 AM
The worry i have with Buendia is that although he had a great season in the championship, the season before in the Prem he only managed one goal (if reports are correct). Can he handle the extra pressure?

I think so. It was a struggling Norwich side and it wasn't his fault Pukki forgot his shooting boots that season. He still managed 7 assists which is higher than El Ghazi and Trez have managed in two seasons (4 and 2) and Traore last season (6). I'm sure Ollie Watkins would appreciate better service almost as much as Buendia would playing in a better side.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2021, 09:24:16 AM
The worry i have with Buendia is that although he had a great season in the championship, the season before in the Prem he only managed one goal (if reports are correct). Can he handle the extra pressure?

I think so. It was a struggling Norwich side and it wasn't his fault Pukki forgot his shooting boots that season. He still managed 7 assists which is higher than El Ghazi and Trez have managed in two seasons (4 and 2) and Traore last season (6). I'm sure Ollie Watkins would appreciate better service almost as much as Buendia would playing in a better side.

My memory was that his stats were very good that season, either his XG was high or he played the pass before the assist.  Pukki stopped finishing chances in the second half of the season being a reason he wasn’t more widely recognised.

Quick google:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/22706/11976592/premier-league-unsung-heroes-norwichs-emiliano-buendia
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 09:24:32 AM
The worry i have with Buendia is that although he had a great season in the championship, the season before in the Prem he only managed one goal (if reports are correct). Can he handle the extra pressure?
I think so. It was a struggling Norwich side and it wasn't his fault Pukki forgot his shooting boots that season. He still managed 7 assists which is higher than El Ghazi and Trez have managed in two seasons (4 and 2) and Traore last season (6). I'm sure Ollie Watkins would appreciate better service almost as much as Buendia would playing in a better side.
Buendia would slot in just fine, and offer more than we have. The only issue for me would be value-for-money vs other options, if the Turnipmunchers get greedy on his valuation.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 09:31:21 AM
We should be shopping smart this summer. There must be clubs with quality international players all over Europe who need to offload them to balance the books. Buying players in the one league virtually financially fireproof isn't good VFM.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 31, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
Tuanzebe is always injured and wasn't even that good in the first place. The obsession with him is bizarre.

It really is. If he hadn't played for us briefly, nobody here would even have heard of him, let alone want to sign him.

Exactly.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 09:40:46 AM
Well Tuanzebe managed 19 appearances this season with the league runners up which is more than the likes of Engels and Hause managed
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
The worry i have with Buendia is that although he had a great season in the championship, the season before in the Prem he only managed one goal (if reports are correct). Can he handle the extra pressure?

I think so. It was a struggling Norwich side and it wasn't his fault Pukki forgot his shooting boots that season. He still managed 7 assists which is higher than El Ghazi and Trez have managed in two seasons (4 and 2) and Traore last season (6). I'm sure Ollie Watkins would appreciate better service almost as much as Buendia would playing in a better side.

My memory was that his stats were very good that season, either his XG was high or he played the pass before the assist.  Pukki stopped finishing chances in the second half of the season being a reason he wasn’t more widely recognised.

Quick google:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/22706/11976592/premier-league-unsung-heroes-norwichs-emiliano-buendia

Your memory serves you well, Dante. That's an interesting read.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 31, 2021, 09:52:19 AM
Yeah, looks totally different from Watkins as well in style of play. If he's really going for 15m to Roma, and Torino want 25m for him, it would be rude not to help them out.

Pretty sure he was league top scorer or very close to it a 2/3 seasons ago and was reportedly commanding a fee of £70m +. He’s not hit those heights again but Torino haven’t been great. Certainly an interesting shout at those prices.

Edit. According to wiki it was 2016/17 where he scored 26 in 35
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Yeah, looks totally different from Watkins as well in style of play. If he's really going for 15m to Roma, and Torino want 25m for him, it would be rude not to help them out.

Pretty sure he was league top scorer or very close to it a 2/3 seasons ago and was reportedly commanding a fee of £70m +. He’s not hit those heights again but Torino haven’t been great. Certainly an interesting shout at those prices.

yeah seems a bargain. whether we'd get a sniff is another matter, but if he was offered to spurs and west ham were interested we should at least be looking at him. Could play him as a 2nd striker with Watkins up front which you couldn't do with Abraham. If Watkins was injured, stick him up front or bring Wesley in with Davies as the specialist no-scoring option on the bench.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2021, 10:26:56 AM
Well Tuanzebe managed 19 appearances this season with the league runners up which is more than the likes of Engels and Hause managed

He missed twenty games through injury, which seems about standard for him (he also missed twenty last season and twenty-four the year before that)...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/axel-tuanzebe/verletzungen/spieler/342046

He only made nine appearances in the league including the final two when they were resting their better players for the Europa League Final having already secured a top four spot. So I'm not sure "played nineteen games for a team that finished second" is as high a recommendation as it could be.

If we are after extra defenders, there must be better options out there with a far less off-putting injury record.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 31, 2021, 10:31:50 AM
Buendia looked good in his season in the Premier league with Norwich. I wanted us tio sign him last season off the back of that, and he looks to have improved even more now. He is more likely to step up than Oliie was, given he has already shown good form in the premier league. Be very happy if we signed him. Also like the look of the Burnley player linked, though do not think we need both (I rate El Goalzi and Traore and  think both will continue to improve).

Also see replacing Wesley with Tammy as an absolute no-brainer. Would send Wesley out on loan to see if he can gain form and prove fitness.

Think we need another defensive midfielder and a back up for left back too though. Both Marvellous and Luiz have something to offer, but both are inconsistent. An older head whilst they come through would be ideal.

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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 10:40:05 AM
Well Tuanzebe managed 19 appearances this season with the league runners up which is more than the likes of Engels and Hause managed

He missed twenty games through injury, which seems about standard for him (he also missed twenty last season and twenty-four the year before that)...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/axel-tuanzebe/verletzungen/spieler/342046

He only made nine appearances in the league including the final two when they were resting their better players for the Europa League Final having already secured a top four spot. So I'm not sure "played nineteen games for a team that finished second" is as high a recommendation as it could be.

If we are after extra defenders, there must be far better options out there with a far less off-putting injury record.

Still beats our options which are a 26 year old right back who was palmed off to France in favour of Elmo, and 2 centre halves, one of which hasn't played for a year and neither really covered themselves in glory when we came up. I'm sure there is better options, but probably more expensive at least in this country so you either pay cash/targett type money for 2 reserves or go the whole hog and replace them which is more. Tuanzebe would at least gives us a player who can do two jobs and pick up enough appearances to keep him happy and possibly challenge for a 1st team place

There's been people on here for the last 6 months muttering about "we need to be challenging for Europe next season or Jack won't stay" etc.. etc... Well part of that is having half decent reserves and the possibility of one of our defence getting crocked and the current reserves coming in doesn't fill me with confidence. They basically played all the games last season apart from Elmo who's gone now.

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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2021, 10:40:34 AM
Even taking out that one outstanding season, Belotti has a scoring rate of 1 in two and a half and a little bit. Never heard of him before today, I've never knowingly seen him play, but I will be crushed, crushed I tells ya, if we don't get him in.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
Well Tuanzebe managed 19 appearances this season with the league runners up which is more than the likes of Engels and Hause managed

He missed twenty games through injury, which seems about standard for him (he also missed twenty last season and twenty-four the year before that)...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/axel-tuanzebe/verletzungen/spieler/342046

He only made nine appearances in the league including the final two when they were resting their better players for the Europa League Final having already secured a top four spot. So I'm not sure "played nineteen games for a team that finished second" is as high a recommendation as it could be.

If we are after extra defenders, there must be far better options out there with a far less off-putting injury record.

Still beats our options which are a 26 year old right back who was palmed off to France in favour of Elmo, and 2 centre halves, one of which hasn't played for a year and neither really covered themselves in glory when we came up. I'm sure there is better options, but probably more expensive at least in this country so you either pay cash/targett type money for 2 reserves or go the whole hog and replace them which is more. Tuanzebe would at least gives us a player who can do two jobs and pick up enough appearances to keep him happy and possibly challenge for a 1st team place

There's been people on here for the last 6 months muttering about "we need to be challenging for Europe next season or Jack won't stay" etc.. etc... Well part of that is having half decent reserves and the possibility of one of our defence getting crocked and the current reserves coming in doesn't fill me with confidence. They basically played all the games last season apart from Elmo who's gone now.

I don't think anyone thinks we shouldn't improve the squad and get better backups. But a good backup should be available when required and Tuanzebe's injury record suggests that wouldn't necessarily be the case.

I'd also like a backup who has the potential to develop into a contender for a first team spot in his own right. I think Tuanzebe is at or close to his peak and haven't seen anything to suggest that he is going to develop into a player good enough to challenge Cash, Konsa or Mings for a place in the team.

But even if he was, that injury record should be a massive red flag, especially with the luck we've had since getting promoted.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
Yeah the injury record is a major concern granted.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
... Could play him (Belotti) as a 2nd striker with Watkins up front which you couldn't do with Abraham...
I really don't get that comment at all; made as if accepted wisdom.
I can see both Watkins and Abraham playing extremely well together: both are energetic, strong, good in the air and skilled at bringing down the ball. Both are mobile and like to find the channels. Both track back into midfield to support their team when not in possession.
They would be able to interchange their play from wing to the centre, and their movement and interchanging would give opposition defenders a real challenge right across the attacking line.
Having them both - along with the current MF and forward & wide players - would offer us multiple attacking options.

The only issue with Abraham would be the value-for-money, if Chelsea want to play hardball and / or if Wet Spam and others pitch in with a bid.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 11:15:41 AM
Then again, who is going to want to come in to be effectively fourth choice?
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 11:19:09 AM
Then again, who is going to want to come in to be effectively fourth choice?
... which is why you'd imagine there are younger / less experienced options that Lange has already identified to improve the potential of the squad and learn their business as a 4th-choice CB (for cup games and incase of injury).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2021, 11:24:05 AM
We managed go sign Hause and Konsa with both knowing that they wouldn't be guaranteed starts. I'd be after the next Konsa, whoever that may be.

I think a backup centre half may get more games next season, anyway, with Konsa having proven himself as a decent option at right back. I can imagine Cash starting against teams, particularly at Villa Park, when we are expected to dominate, with the more defensively-minded Konsa at right back when we expect to be under pressure.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
... Could play him (Belotti) as a 2nd striker with Watkins up front which you couldn't do with Abraham...
I really don't get that comment at all; made as if accepted wisdom.
I can see both Watkins and Abraham playing extremely well together: both are energetic, strong, good in the air and skilled at bringing down the ball. Both are mobile and like to find the channels. Both track back into midfield to support their team when not in possession.
They would be able to interchange their play from wing to the centre, and their movement and interchanging would give opposition defenders a real challenge right across the attacking line.
Having them both - along with the current MF and forward & wide players - would offer us multiple attacking options.

The only issue with Abraham would be the value-for-money, if Chelsea want to play hardball and / or if Wet Spam and others pitch in with a bid.

Can't say I agree. I'd say they're very similar with Abraham possibly the better finisher but Watkins is a more complete player to me. One of the reasons Tufel has dumped him in favour of Werner is because he doesn't do enough for the team other than scoring I think.

Werner assists 8
Watkins assists 5
Abraham assists 1
Abraham assists 19/20 4
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 11:35:02 AM
We managed go sign Hause and Konsa with both knowing that they wouldn't be guaranteed starts. I'd be after the next Konsa, whoever that may be.

I think a backup centre half may get more games next season, anyway, with Konsa having proven himself as a decent option at right back. I can imagine Cash starting against teams, particularly at Villa Park, when we are expected to dominate, with the more defensively-minded Konsa at right back when we expect to be under pressure.

Hause was brought in when we were in the Championship, and there may well have been a clause that we signed him permanently if we got promoted. Konsa was one of three central defenders (four if you count Hause) signed during the same window so the opportunity was there for him but the situation is different now - we have two England-class players in that position and what seems to be a perfectly adequate replacement already there. It would be great if we can sign some young, promising and hitherto undiscovered talent happy with such a situation but realistically it's not very likely. I'd much prefer to see if one of the Academy players can step up. 
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Post by: algy on May 31, 2021, 11:45:08 AM
Think the backup / squad players need to be Lange specials. Promising players from overlooked leagues who will see it as their shot at the big time rather than players who are already there.

For first team players, I'd be happy with us making fairly safe bets like Buendia. We know he can do the business in this league, in a similar role to one we need. If he's less than the going rate for that kind of player (£40m-£50m?) I'd have him in a flash.

Tammy, for me, just doesn't play in such a high priority position since we already have Watkins who's arguably one of the best strikers in the league. If we're signing a player to play 20 odd games a season I'd rather we get someone who sees it as their big break rather than a tacit admission that they're taking a step down)
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Post by: AllanW on May 31, 2021, 11:49:07 AM
It would be great if we can sign some young, promising and hitherto undiscovered talent happy with such a situation but realistically it's not very likely. I'd much prefer to see if one of the Academy players can step up.

It's far more likely than one of the current academy centre backs being able to show signs of becoming a PL player in the next few months. Swinkel and Bogarde are the best we have and both have a year or two more maturing and developing to do before being someone who can 'step up'. There are competent players on the defensive side in the academy but they are full backs not centre backs.

Trust the recruiters to find the next Konsa or Hause if we're replacing Engels.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 11:57:12 AM
It would be great if we can sign some young, promising and hitherto undiscovered talent happy with such a situation but realistically it's not very likely. I'd much prefer to see if one of the Academy players can step up.

It's far more likely than one of the current academy centre backs being able to show signs of becoming a PL player in the next few months. Swinkel and Bogarde are the best we have and both have a year or two more maturing and developing to do before being someone who can 'step up'. There are competent players on the defensive side in the academy but they are full backs not centre backs.

Trust the recruiters to find the next Konsa or Hause if we're replacing Engels.

As I said, it would be great if they do, but it's going to be difficult to persuade better than we've got in the Academy to join us under those circumstances.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 12:02:06 PM
Bottom line is the likes of Engels and Hause were brought in when we were a championship side. Perfectly adequate at the time but things have moved on. I can't see any reason why we need less options now than we did in the Championship with Taylor and Elmo gone. I'm all for bringing through youngsters but I don't really want to possibly be in a situation where we're 5 games from getting a European place and one of the defence get injured and we're faced with blooding a youngster.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2021, 12:14:57 PM
like we did with Gareth Barry?
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Post by: rooboy316 on May 31, 2021, 12:17:38 PM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2021, 12:18:51 PM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
ideal. Not sure who though.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
I love the youth coming through as much as anyone but the fact remains its a very rare occurrence that one makes the grade long term for us anyway. For every Barry or Cahill there's 30 championship or lower players or not even that.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2021, 12:39:09 PM
Can Buendia or Pereira take set pieces? Think that is an area we can really strengthen in next season
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Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
ideal. Not sure who though.

This is whyI like Berge, I think he'd be a solid option as an emergency centre back as well as a quality DM.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 31, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
ideal. Not sure who though.

This is whyI like Berge, I think he'd be a solid option as an emergency centre back as well as a quality DM.

Berge would be a good signing.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 01:25:20 PM
It would be great if we can sign some young, promising and hitherto undiscovered talent happy with such a situation but realistically it's not very likely. I'd much prefer to see if one of the Academy players can step up.
It's far more likely than one of the current academy centre backs being able to show signs of becoming a PL player in the next few months. Swinkel and Bogarde are the best we have and both have a year or two more maturing and developing to do before being someone who can 'step up'. There are competent players on the defensive side in the academy but they are full backs not centre backs.
Trust the recruiters to find the next Konsa or Hause if we're replacing Engels.
Dom Revan is older and has more experience than Zwinkel and Bogarde (although both of these younger lads certainly look like good potential): I don't know whether he's good enough.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 01:29:06 PM
... Tammy, for me, just doesn't play in such a high priority position since we already have Watkins who's arguably one of the best strikers in the league.
True, until Watkins picks up an injury. Davis and Wes are in no way capable of giving us the all-round game that Watkins gives. So, something needs to happen in our attacking options.
If we're signing a player to play 20 odd games a season I'd rather we get someone who sees it as their big break rather than a tacit admission that they're taking a step down)
This comment is a far more persuasive argument for not bringing Tammy back, unless he feels he has loads to prove (which you'd hope he does).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
Yeah, looks totally different from Watkins as well in style of play. If he's really going for 15m to Roma, and Torino want 25m for him, it would be rude not to help them out.

Pretty sure he was league top scorer or very close to it a 2/3 seasons ago and was reportedly commanding a fee of £70m +. He’s not hit those heights again but Torino haven’t been great. Certainly an interesting shout at those prices.

Edit. According to wiki it was 2016/17 where he scored 26 in 35

Belotti is box player, get loads of crosses in and he'll get on the end of many of them and score. Similar style to Hernandez when he was decent at Man. United for a few seasons.

Surprised he's stayed at Torino so long. Would think likes of Roma (as Dzeko replacement) or AC Milan would be in.

Thinking about it, Dzeko on 12 month deal would suit me as that 60 minute striker off the bench. Did well at Man. City in general squad role and was one of top scorers in europa league, scoring home and away v Man. United so sign him and a forward who can also play out wide and that's a very strong set of forward options for next season.
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Post by: robleflaneur on May 31, 2021, 01:37:01 PM
Ben White,Brighton,can play as a CB or defensive midfielder.Being called up to the England squad has probably added a few million to his valuation.The Brighton chairman last week suggested that they would be willing to sell some of their more valuable players.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2021, 01:39:02 PM
I think rightly the club will allow some the kids to really push for a place in the senior squad. And while that might not get us the immediate return it is one most fans will appreciate. As Purslow said the club needs to make smart signings now. 2 or 3 to really push us on, and the rest from within the club; the kids and just allowing existing players who are more experienced at this level to mature and continue to improve.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2021, 01:40:54 PM
... Could play him (Belotti) as a 2nd striker with Watkins up front which you couldn't do with Abraham...
I really don't get that comment at all; made as if accepted wisdom.
I can see both Watkins and Abraham playing extremely well together: both are energetic, strong, good in the air and skilled at bringing down the ball. Both are mobile and like to find the channels. Both track back into midfield to support their team when not in possession.
They would be able to interchange their play from wing to the centre, and their movement and interchanging would give opposition defenders a real challenge right across the attacking line.
Having them both - along with the current MF and forward & wide players - would offer us multiple attacking options.

The only issue with Abraham would be the value-for-money, if Chelsea want to play hardball and / or if Wet Spam and others pitch in with a bid.

Can't say I agree. I'd say they're very similar with Abraham possibly the better finisher but Watkins is a more complete player to me. One of the reasons Tufel has dumped him in favour of Werner is because he doesn't do enough for the team other than scoring I think.

Werner assists 8
Watkins assists 5
Abraham assists 1
Abraham assists 19/20 4
You made a valid observation, but - as another poster commented earlier here - the Chelsea system appears to be to sit deep, break quickly and rely on pace from the man up top.
We play slightly differently, and - whilst Tammy's assists number ain't great - he has other stats that bear comparison: if you look at his last 37 starts (equal to Watkins' full season), TA has scored 20 goals, with an XG of 19.3 and 120 shots (42% on target). Compared to OW equivalent stats of 14 goals, 15.8 XG and 97 shots (45% on target).
This tells me that Abraham gets into the right places for goal attempts and is greedier than Watkins (cf the assists differential): I still maintain that their style of play is complementary to each other.
We all see things slightly differently. :D
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 31, 2021, 01:41:36 PM
... Tammy, for me, just doesn't play in such a high priority position since we already have Watkins who's arguably one of the best strikers in the league.
True, until Watkins picks up an injury. Davis and Wes are in no way capable of giving us the all-round game that Watkins gives. So, something needs to happen in our attacking options.
If we're signing a player to play 20 odd games a season I'd rather we get someone who sees it as their big break rather than a tacit admission that they're taking a step down)
This comment is a far more persuasive argument for not bringing Tammy back, unless he feels he has loads to prove (which you'd hope he does).
two sides to every coin.I’d see it as a step up. Playing in 20 or so Prem games at Villa from playing a handful at Chelsea and latterly not even making the squad. Hows that a step down?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2021, 01:42:08 PM
Then again, who is going to want to come in to be effectively fourth choice?


West Ham signed Craig Dawson this time last year, had a poor season with Watford and went in there as fourth choice CB. West Ham were dodgy early few games and he was outstanding for them for most of the season. They did play the evil 3 at the back for a fair chunk of the season though....

So that was low cost type deal for squad player that massively came up for them although expect us to target a similar CB to Konsa, young with many games already player either in championship or europe and will come in and just play cups for first six months before hopefully breaking into the team at some point.

Leicester also signed Fofana when they already had Soyuncu and Johnny Evans as the established CB duo last summer. They obviously had europa on offer but a great example of club always thinking ahead.

We've already learnt to our cost at prem level that key players get bad long term injuries so need to keep thinking ahead and have good players ready to come in to do jobs just in case one of the defenders gets one next season.

Hause in fairness has stepped up to be a superb squad player which has been a nice surprise, no issue if he gets a new deal at some point this summer.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2021, 01:59:58 PM
There’s a piece on the BBC about Norwich.  Their director of football basically says there’s a £30m hole in their accounts due to Covid and implies they will accept an offer for Buendia “starting with a 3”.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2021, 02:05:47 PM
Ben White,Brighton,can play as a CB or defensive midfielder.Being called up to the England squad has probably added a few million to his valuation.The Brighton chairman last week suggested that they would be willing to sell some of their more valuable players.
they’d want a fortune for him.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2021, 02:11:39 PM
Ben White,Brighton,can play as a CB or defensive midfielder.Being called up to the England squad has probably added a few million to his valuation.The Brighton chairman last week suggested that they would be willing to sell some of their more valuable players.
they’d want a fortune for him.

Yeah they priced Leeds out of a move last summer, wanting £30m.  That’d be at least £40m now.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2021, 02:43:04 PM
... Could play him (Belotti) as a 2nd striker with Watkins up front which you couldn't do with Abraham...
I really don't get that comment at all; made as if accepted wisdom.
I can see both Watkins and Abraham playing extremely well together: both are energetic, strong, good in the air and skilled at bringing down the ball. Both are mobile and like to find the channels. Both track back into midfield to support their team when not in possession.
They would be able to interchange their play from wing to the centre, and their movement and interchanging would give opposition defenders a real challenge right across the attacking line.
Having them both - along with the current MF and forward & wide players - would offer us multiple attacking options.

The only issue with Abraham would be the value-for-money, if Chelsea want to play hardball and / or if Wet Spam and others pitch in with a bid.

Don't think we have the midfield for going 2 up top. Diamond four would leave us very light on the wings defensively. Flat midfield four is not going to work with likes of Grealish and McGinn.

Unless the hated (by some on here) 3 at the back were to come in to give us some flexibility in our midfield options....

Don't think Abraham or a centre forward like him will be on our radar this summer for that reason. A young gun or experienced striker on way down probably a better fit. Need better than Davis or Wesley anyway.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
we need two Premier League standard forwards. Davis isn't good enough and what we've seen so far of Wesley isn't really that exciting.
Abraham, for the right price is a no brainer.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
Then again, who is going to want to come in to be effectively fourth choice?

Deano is going to have to rotate the starting team next season, and give assurances to players to that effect, or we won't get anyone decent in.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2021, 03:40:57 PM
Do teams rotate other than for cup games? I've not particularly noticed if they do.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2021, 03:48:36 PM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.

Preferably, wouldn't pass the ball like Jedinak did i.e as if he'd put his boots on the wrong feet.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2021, 03:49:47 PM
I think we should put a Bid in for Jack Harrison just to wind those northerners up

I would love us to sign Jack Harrison. I'd return them Luiz if it helped. Wonderful winger, great attitude. Would be a lot more consistent than our current three wing-wonders.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2021, 03:51:53 PM
Well Tuanzebe managed 19 appearances this season with the league runners up which is more than the likes of Engels and Hause managed

He missed twenty games through injury, which seems about standard for him (he also missed twenty last season and twenty-four the year before that)...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/axel-tuanzebe/verletzungen/spieler/342046

He only made nine appearances in the league including the final two when they were resting their better players for the Europa League Final having already secured a top four spot. So I'm not sure "played nineteen games for a team that finished second" is as high a recommendation as it could be.

If we are after extra defenders, there must be better options out there with a far less off-putting injury record.

I thought Tuanzebe got a bit of a raw deal this season. Bailly is rubbish but seemed to be higher in the pecking order than him. Lindelof, like Tuanzebe can be bullied physically, is ok I guess but Tuanzebe has a yard of pace that could have been a better fit for Maguire. I know it was a lower level but he was very good for us in bringing the ball out from the back.

I think he had a poor enough game when they lost at home to Sheff United and took a bit of the blame for that. He has had injury problems and there is no denying that but he did very well next to Mings before, is young and has a lot of potential. A much better squad option than Elmo or Engels too.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Loved Tuanzebe's peno against Villareal but don't remember him being great-shakes for us before and he hasn't got enough PL experience due to all the injuries.
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Post by: CT on May 31, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
Loved Tuanzebe's peno against Villareal but don't remember him being great-shakes for us before and he hasn't got enough PL experience due to all the injuries.

I think we all miss Axel’s song more than anything else, although Matt Targett has it now, so it will hopefully get an airing next season.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2021, 05:47:55 PM
Have we signed anyone yet, FFS?



Sorry, I wanted to be the first.
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 31, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
Have we signed anyone yet, FFS?



Sorry, I wanted to be the first.

You do realise that you’ve probably just incentivised Mr Woodhall to re-name the thread the “CDBullyweefan desperate for a new signing thread” don’t you 😉 ?!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Don't give him ideas, he'll send me an invoice for the sponsorship fee.
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Post by: Fred Crump on May 31, 2021, 06:25:52 PM
Lol, sorry, I hadn’t thought of that !
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2021, 07:16:04 PM
Daves to busy falling out with Johnny Gould on Twitter 😀
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 07:26:17 PM
Daves to busy falling out with Johnny Gould on Twitter 😀

Too busy to source an income stream?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2021, 07:43:28 PM
Bring him home Emi

https://twitter.com/thevillahome/status/1399391841959751683?s=21
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2021, 08:15:15 PM
Daves to busy falling out with Johnny Gould on Twitter 😀
I can't even pretend to know what Gould is going on about.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2021, 08:18:27 PM
Daves to busy falling out with Johnny Gould on Twitter 😀
I can't even pretend to know what Gould is going on about.

He’s out there trying to get Villa fans upset about nothing so he can get a bunch of likes and retweets
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Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2021, 08:39:53 PM
Daves to busy falling out with Johnny Gould on Twitter 😀
I can't even pretend to know what Gould is going on about.

He’s out there trying to get Villa fans upset about nothing so he can get a bunch of likes and retweets

and scrape together some content for his radio show by shit-stirring until a story happens.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2021, 08:52:42 PM
I don't think it's likes he's after.
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Post by: The Edge on June 01, 2021, 08:56:18 AM
Daily Mirror is quoting Harry Kane saying how great a player Jack Grealish is and how much he'd like to play with him at club and country level. Looks like Kane is coming to Villa then.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2021, 09:18:09 AM
Daily Mirror is quoting Harry Kane saying how great a player Jack Grealish is and how much he'd like to play with him at club and country level. Looks like Kane is coming to Villa then.

Read the piece in the Mirror - online version - and no where does he mention playing with jack at club level.  Kane needs to be more honest, and just say it, if he wants to join Villa.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 01, 2021, 09:24:49 AM
Kane is poor value anyway. We need to get involved in the player firesales going on across the continent. Even the likes of Lukaku and Sancho are available with 30% off
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 01, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
Buendia and tammy would be unbelievable

If we get them two we need cover at left back and a cm

Instead of buying a right back get guilbeet back as cover or promote kesler
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Post by: ROBBO on June 01, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
After covid there are many clubs in financial difficulty, why pay for overpriced prem players when there are opportunities to get quality in from overseas. I am assured however that Buendia is the bees knees.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2021, 11:36:45 AM
After covid there are many clubs in financial difficulty, why pay for overpriced prem players when there are opportunities to get quality in from overseas. I am assured however that Buendia is the bees knees.

Why go abroad when we could virtually guarantee challenging for trophies with, for instance, Buendia, Bissouma, Madison and Tammy added to the squad? Because it’s cheaper?
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 11:43:59 AM
After covid there are many clubs in financial difficulty, why pay for overpriced prem players when there are opportunities to get quality in from overseas. I am assured however that Buendia is the bees knees.

Why go abroad when we could virtually guarantee challenging for trophies with, for instance, Buendia, Bissouma, Madison and Tammy added to the squad? Because it’s cheaper?

That would be some summers business.  All excellent players who I think would add a lot to the squad, but you're probably looking at £165m right there.  If we can get 1 or two of those and some wise picks from Europe it could still be a good summer.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2021, 11:58:43 AM
After covid there are many clubs in financial difficulty, why pay for overpriced prem players when there are opportunities to get quality in from overseas. I am assured however that Buendia is the bees knees.

Why go abroad when we could virtually guarantee challenging for trophies with, for instance, Buendia, Bissouma, Madison and Tammy added to the squad? Because it’s cheaper?

That would be some summers business.  All excellent players who I think would add a lot to the squad, but you're probably looking at £165m right there.  If we can get 1 or two of those and some wise picks from Europe it could still be a good summer.

I think with those four in the squad we could afford to gamble with potential from the academy, lower leagues and abroad for the next few years.
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Post by: sid1964 on June 01, 2021, 01:02:37 PM
As i do not know anything about Buendia as I don't watch Norwich -did he play for them when they were in the last in the Premier League?

If he did was he there outstanding player?
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
As i do not know anything about Buendia as I don't watch Norwich -did he play for them when they were in the last in the Premier League?

If he did was he there outstanding player?
Yes, and yes he looked excellent to me.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 01, 2021, 01:25:56 PM
As i do not know anything about Buendia as I don't watch Norwich -did he play for them when they were in the last in the Premier League?

If he did was he there outstanding player?

My late grandmother supported Norwich. She had a Villa season ticket, so it got embarrassing when we played them and she cheered the other team once a season (on the rare occasions we were in the same division).

Anyway, I have a soft spot for them and watch them whenever they are on the box. Buendia was easily their best player in their season in the premier league and I wanted us to sign him a year ago. He has been superb in the Championship (Grealish level better than everyone else around him) and I hope we sign him.

Also like the look of Cantwell.

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Post by: Allan C on June 01, 2021, 02:19:50 PM
I think we are past looking at players that can do a job, better players that can improve us.
Absolutely correct
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Post by: Smithy on June 01, 2021, 02:33:40 PM
As i do not know anything about Buendia as I don't watch Norwich -did he play for them when they were in the last in the Premier League?

If he did was he there outstanding player?
Yes, and yes he looked excellent to me.

I only saw him play a couple of times (apart from against us) and he always struck me as their outstanding player.  I've just checked, and in their last premier league season, he was 4th in the chances created stats (83 chances), which for a relegated side is pretty bloody impressive. Jack was second behind De Bruyne with 91. He only scored one goal though.  He's not a Jack type player, in that I don't remember him carrying the ball vast distances, but he was very tricky and has a really good eye for a pass (as the stats show).  I think he would work great as a number 10 in our formation.
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Post by: in exile on June 01, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Aaron Tshibola is available if anyone's interested.
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Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
Think he found God.
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Post by: VillaSpen on June 02, 2021, 01:28:55 AM
Not with anything more than a 10 yard square pass he didn't.
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Post by: Drummond on June 02, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
ideal. Not sure who though.

Dier..... 😉
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Post by: Risso on June 02, 2021, 09:07:50 AM
I want the PL version of Jedinak. Midfield enforcer, 4th choice CB and a wise old head.
ideal. Not sure who though.

Dier..... 😉

He said "wise old head" not "thick as mince"!
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 02, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
I know it might be optimistic but why not try get ward-prowse?

One of the best set piece takers in the country and scores goals. We are bigger than Southampton and i think he would be a signing of intent
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Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2021, 10:14:37 AM
I know it might be optimistic but why not try get ward-prowse?

One of the best set piece takers in the country and scores goals. We are bigger than Southampton and i think he would be a signing of intent

Good free kick taker but in open play he wouldn't add much to the team, better to find a player who helps us in open play and can take set pieces.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 02, 2021, 10:18:14 AM
Not with anything more than a 10 yard square pass he didn't.

Haha!
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Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2021, 10:18:39 AM
Yeah, he may just be a Hourihane-deluxe version. Don't watch Saints enough, but he's played full-back enough to suggest he's decent without the ball (unlike Conor).
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 02, 2021, 10:55:05 AM
I think he adds something different to the team. A much better upgrade to conor
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Post by: danno on June 02, 2021, 10:58:28 AM
Southampton are second to Leeds in terms of sprints per game. Ward-Prowse presses and covers as much ground as anybody. The Hourihane comparisons are incredibly harsh. When Southampton beat Chelsea at Stamford bridge the season before last he was easily motm.

He signed a 5 year contract in August 2020, I think we need a more defensive player than him and he’d cost a kings ransom.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2021, 12:05:27 PM
I know it might be optimistic but why not try get ward-prowse?

One of the best set piece takers in the country and scores goals. We are bigger than Southampton and i think he would be a signing of intent

Good free kick taker but in open play he wouldn't add much to the team, better to find a player who helps us in open play and can take set pieces.

Madison (sp?)
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Post by: Hookeysmith on June 02, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine
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Post by: algy on June 02, 2021, 01:04:03 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine
Zero chance of him at that price. We want to be the club that sells 29 year old players for £30m+, not the ones buying
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Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2021, 01:12:06 PM
Can't see why they'd sell him to be honest, he's just about the perfect forward for them.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
No thanks. Big sack of Burnley shite.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 02, 2021, 01:29:38 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine
Ridiculous link.  I actually think he's a pretty decent player but £30m is absolutely nuts.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on June 02, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
No thanks. Big sack of Burnley shite.

That's the spirit.
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Post by: jwarry on June 02, 2021, 01:56:07 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

😂
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2021, 02:02:46 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.
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Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2021, 02:05:25 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.

I don't think he would either, but I do think he's a bit underrated, he's one of those centre forwards that has crafted his game and as he doesn't rely on pace will probably still be handy at 35.

Not for me, but he's a decent player that has improved.
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Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2021, 03:05:28 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.

It's not news now though is it, that's just an aggregator that pulls stories from elsewhere, you need to look at the source to get an idea of how credible it is.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2021, 03:10:00 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.

It's not news now though is it, that's just an aggregator that pulls stories from elsewhere, you need to look at the source to get an idea of how credible it is.

Fair enough. Although I’d really hope, and expect, that our scouting team wouldn’t be looking at the likes of Wood. He just isn’t right for us.
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Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2021, 03:40:33 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.

It's not news now though is it, that's just an aggregator that pulls stories from elsewhere, you need to look at the source to get an idea of how credible it is.

Fair enough. Although I’d really hope, and expect, that our scouting team wouldn’t be looking at the likes of Wood. He just isn’t right for us.

Oh I agree, I think he'd be an awful signing, I literally can't think of a single reason why he'd be on our list.
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Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Chris Woods? Fuck off...Dean better not turn into O'Neill.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 02, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
they don't call it the silly season for nothing.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 02, 2021, 04:43:28 PM
I think 'they've' been reading into the price of wood going up exponentially (like all building materials are).   
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 02, 2021, 04:44:32 PM
Chris Woods? Fuck off...Dean better not turn into O'Neill.

Ha! The exact thought just came into my head though I don't think we have anything to worry about on that score. dean wants to build something lasting at the Villa; MON was only concerned with building his reputation. The tosser.
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Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2021, 05:01:45 PM
Plus we're well stocked with keepers.
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Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2021, 06:20:44 PM
D'oh! He'd probably still do a job ahead of Kalinic, mind.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 02, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
Yeah, he may just be a Hourihane-deluxe version. Don't watch Saints enough, but he's played full-back enough to suggest he's decent without the ball (unlike Conor).

They tried him twice at right back at their place man marking Jack in recent seasons. The first one he did well on a day we looked destined for immediate relegation. Jack tore him a new one this season though, fairly sure he moved back to midfield for a finish with his tail between his legs.

He's a decent player for sure and his dead ball expertise is arguably the best in the division. Wouldn't be the worst shout ever in a 2 or 3 man midfield. Not going to be a midfield enforcer though.
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Post by: nigel on June 02, 2021, 07:11:17 PM
News Now ( I know, i know) has us linked for £30M + for the 29yr old Chris Wood at Burnley.

If younger then certainly an upgrade on the likes of Davis to bring on when we need to change the game - a none starter i would imagine

Good God, thankfully it’s Newsnow who have zero credibility. That would be a shocker of a signing, especially at that price.

He scores some goals for Burnley because of their style. He wouldn’t suit us at all.

I think this has got legs.
Being reported on Football Insider, too 😂
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Post by: LukeJames on June 02, 2021, 07:22:34 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.
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Post by: andyh on June 02, 2021, 07:27:08 PM
In all the times I have seen Burnley play, I have never, ever thought to myself, I wish that Chris Wood played for us.
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Post by: algy on June 02, 2021, 07:35:40 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.
Haha, we could maybe phone them up and offer them £20 and say we'll put them in touch with a Nigerian prince who'll sort the rest of the transfer fee out
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 02, 2021, 07:39:50 PM
In all the times I have seen Burnley play, I have never, ever thought to myself, I wish that Chris Wood played for us.
Having watched Samatta, Wes and Keinan trundle around for us I've certainly thought he'd probably do a better job as a plan B off the bench.  With that said, I'm certainly not suggesting we sign him.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 02, 2021, 09:00:58 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.

And they need the money. No ESL or European football?
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Post by: paul_e on June 02, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
In all the times I have seen Burnley play, I have never, ever thought to myself, I wish that Chris Wood played for us.
Having watched Samatta, Wes and Keinan trundle around for us I've certainly thought he'd probably do a better job as a plan B off the bench.  With that said, I'm certainly not suggesting we sign him.

Given their comparative ages I don't think that's a reasonable comparison. When Wood was the same age as Wesley and Davis he was trundling around in the championship looking like a bargain Gestede. I get that you're judging on who they are no and not who they can be but I think it's important to remember that both are still young players who have shown they can be useful for us.
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Post by: OCD on June 02, 2021, 09:53:31 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.

And they need the money. No ESL or European football?

We'll take Saka, Smith-Rowe and Willock. We'll give you Heaton, El-Hommady and Taylor for them. Deal?
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 02, 2021, 09:54:13 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.

And they need the money. No ESL or European football?
And obsessed with getting Odegard if at all possible.
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Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2021, 09:57:43 PM
Smith-Rowe is surely one of Arsenal's few bright spots currently? They have a decent, young English trio in him, Saka and Willock to build with.
I think they're more likely to try and clear a lot of their foreign buys who have underwhelmed. Is the story in the Telegraph by John Percy?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2021, 09:59:00 PM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.

Ha ha, made me laugh like a drain.
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Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
He'd be a great but unlikely addition, I don't think they're that stupid, surely?
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Post by: mrfuse on June 03, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.
It feels like a way to get his new contract sorted as talks seemed to have stalled. Love him at Villa but can't see it happening.
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Post by: algy on June 03, 2021, 08:47:20 AM
The Telegraph linking us with Smith-Rowe from Arsenal. I'd say its a non starter but then again, Arsenal are stupid.
It feels like a way to get his new contract sorted as talks seemed to have stalled. Love him at Villa but can't see it happening.
Regardless, it's nice being the club who other team's bright young things are being linked to rather than the other way round :)
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 03, 2021, 08:57:02 AM
We’re in a pretty good position to get top class British players now. On the up, we can afford decent wages and there’s a good vibe round the club, as we’ve got a manager who is straight down the line and tells it how it is. Great training facilities and midlands handily placed if you need to get anywhere else regularly.
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Post by: sid1964 on June 03, 2021, 09:27:02 AM
Remember  a young player we signed from Arsenal- Keown he was soon off as soon as he could

Think he regretted joining us
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 03, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
I just think we should try and break the bank for Bellingham, he's just what we need and it would be soooo funny.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 03, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
In all the times I have seen Burnley play, I have never, ever thought to myself, I wish that Chris Wood played for us.
Having watched Samatta, Wes and Keinan trundle around for us I've certainly thought he'd probably do a better job as a plan B off the bench.  With that said, I'm certainly not suggesting we sign him.

Given their comparative ages I don't think that's a reasonable comparison. When Wood was the same age as Wesley and Davis he was trundling around in the championship looking like a bargain Gestede. I get that you're judging on who they are no and not who they can be but I think it's important to remember that both are still young players who have shown they can be useful for us.
I was judging on what we needed right there and then as we struggled for Premier League survival.  Even last season, I would have preferred Wood on the bench than Keinan.  And if it was a straight choice between the four (Sammatta, Wes, Keinan & Wood), I'd feel the same for next season too.  Maybe Wes and Keinan will become excellent players in the long run, but in my view they are not good enough right now.  If either go on to have as many appearances or score as many goals in the PL as Wood then I'll be surprised.

Again, I'm not advocating we buy him, but he's a better player than people are giving him credit for.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 03, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
I just think we should try and break the bank for Bellingham, he's just what we need and it would be soooo funny.
I honestly don't think he'd join us because of the rivalry.  He posts stuff like he could 'never playe for a club he didn't love' and shite like that.  Well that and the fact he's developing brilliantly at Dortmund, loving his time there and will be one of the most sought after young English players in the next few years and will probably be able to pick his club.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 03, 2021, 11:01:36 AM
I just think we should try and break the bank for Bellingham, he's just what we need and it would be soooo funny.
I honestly don't think he'd join us because of the rivalry.  He posts stuff like he could 'never playe for a club he didn't love' and shite like that.  Well that and the fact he's developing brilliantly at Dortmund, loving his time there and will be one of the most sought after young English players in the next few years and will probably be able to pick his club.

He's a kid, he will grow up in a year or two.  He's the kind of player I'd like to see in that role for us next season. Seeing our neighbours un-retiring the shirt would be something else too.
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Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
In all the times I have seen Burnley play, I have never, ever thought to myself, I wish that Chris Wood played for us.
Having watched Samatta, Wes and Keinan trundle around for us I've certainly thought he'd probably do a better job as a plan B off the bench.  With that said, I'm certainly not suggesting we sign him.

Given their comparative ages I don't think that's a reasonable comparison. When Wood was the same age as Wesley and Davis he was trundling around in the championship looking like a bargain Gestede. I get that you're judging on who they are no and not who they can be but I think it's important to remember that both are still young players who have shown they can be useful for us.
I was judging on what we needed right there and then as we struggled for Premier League survival.  Even last season, I would have preferred Wood on the bench than Keinan.  And if it was a straight choice between the four (Sammatta, Wes, Keinan & Wood), I'd feel the same for next season too.  Maybe Wes and Keinan will become excellent players in the long run, but in my view they are not good enough right now.  If either go on to have as many appearances or score as many goals in the PL as Wood then I'll be surprised.

Again, I'm not advocating we buy him, but he's a better player than people are giving him credit for.

I agree.
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Post by: jwarry on June 03, 2021, 12:48:39 PM
I just think we should try and break the bank for Bellingham, he's just what we need and it would be soooo funny.
I honestly don't think he'd join us because of the rivalry.  He posts stuff like he could 'never playe for a club he didn't love' and shite like that.  Well that and the fact he's developing brilliantly at Dortmund, loving his time there and will be one of the most sought after young English players in the next few years and will probably be able to pick his club.

I think he comes from Stourbridge which is not known as blue nose territory, but as his kid brother is also in the scum’s academy I take he’s born and inbred?
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Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2021, 01:04:37 PM
Benteke has just signed a two year extension at palace after an impressive run towards the end of the season - nothing like losing £130k a week to concentrate the mind.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2021, 01:13:53 PM
Benteke has just signed a two year extension at palace after an impressive run towards the end of the season - nothing like losing £130k a week to concentrate the mind.

Some man, useless for years with Palace but with contract end date coming up he goes on a scoring spree. Looked a right handful in the box last few months. No doubt will go back to semi retirement now.
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Post by: WassallVillain on June 03, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
I just think we should try and break the bank for Bellingham, he's just what we need and it would be soooo funny.
Agreed and have mooted this previously. Can’t see why it’s not possible. Offer him a ton and instruct him to play the homesick card. He will know better than most how on the up we are being in the business and a local lad.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2021, 01:43:12 PM
I mean he is at Dortmund who are playing Champions League football and who also have a proven track record of developing youngsters. I can’t see why he’d be in a rush to leave.
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Post by: jwarry on June 03, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
I mean he is at Dortmund who are playing Champions League football and who also have a proven track record of developing youngsters. I can’t see why he’d be in a rush to leave.

To play with Chuck, the future English midfield duo
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 03, 2021, 03:04:07 PM
I mean he is at Dortmund who are playing Champions League football and who also have a proven track record of developing youngsters. I can’t see why he’d be in a rush to leave.

1 out of 2 now, we will be 2 out of 2 in a year.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 03, 2021, 09:05:23 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-arsenal-norwich-buendia-transfer-20738256

Apparently we've both bid £30m for him.

BIDDING WAR!!
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Post by: richtheholtender on June 03, 2021, 09:31:21 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-arsenal-norwich-buendia-transfer-20738256

Apparently we've both bid £30m for him.

BIDDING WAR!!




Really hope we can get that done and early in the window. Him and Jack on either Wing, a holding midfielder and a Striker and were on our way.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2021, 09:32:27 PM
Birmingham M***, rehashing a story from a S** journalist. Probably won't get his name tattooed just yet.
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Post by: OCD on June 03, 2021, 09:36:23 PM
Whether or not we have, I think the story that we're interested in him has credibility. He seems to have been one that Smith has liked for the past couple of years and now he's really beginning to come into his own. This is one I would like to see happen.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2021, 09:37:20 PM
Just back from the tattoo parlour after reading the Birmingham Mail. Have I missed anything?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
I hope you haven't copied my design. I'm going to get "BOOENDIA" tattooed, so if he turns out to be shit, I can just get the last five letters laser removed.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 03, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
I'd like to see this one. From what I've seen he's a real handful. Utv
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2021, 09:48:14 PM
Yeah, he meets my sexy and goaly signing criteria. Would have Norwich fans furiously mashing their keyboards with their webbed fingers, show we mean business and, quite possibly, piss off Piers Morgan. Good fun all round.

And if he stays at Norwich or signs for Arsenal, he's shite and I didn't want him anyway.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2021, 10:00:38 PM
I hope you haven't copied my design. I'm going to get "BOOENDIA" tattooed, so if he turns out to be shit, I can just get the last five letters laser removed.

I'm keeping the 'Buen' bit regardless for when I go back to Mexico. If we don't get him I'll either change the 'dia' to 'gear' so I look like I'm proper edgy, or just keep it as it is so that people think I'm a classic English gentleman.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2021, 10:04:37 PM
I want us to corner the Emi market by having Martinez, Buendia and Smith-Rowe. Much like we did when cornered the Jordan market a number of years back with Bowery, Veretout, Amavi and Ayew.
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2021, 11:08:13 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-arsenal-norwich-buendia-transfer-20738256

Apparently we've both bid £30m for him.

BIDDING WAR!!

Time to open the war chest then.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 03, 2021, 11:10:54 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-arsenal-norwich-buendia-transfer-20738256

Apparently we've both bid £30m for him.

BIDDING WAR!!

Time to open the war chest then.

Norwich are braced….
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Post by: Ads on June 04, 2021, 12:53:11 AM
They'll all be waving their pitch forks at the sky and start sacrificing virgins when they see us swooping from the heavens.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2021, 06:28:30 AM
If I wipe my arse on the Birmingham Mail it improves the content.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2021, 06:37:07 AM
They'll all be waving their pitch forks at the sky and start sacrificing virgins when they see us swooping from the heavens.
Virgins ? Norfolk?
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 04, 2021, 06:51:33 AM
If Arteta has bid that puts me right off. Not exactly got an eye for a transfer that one
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Post by: sid1964 on June 04, 2021, 06:55:21 AM
The last time I remember both us and Arsenal were after the same player was Earl Barrett and Big Ron convinced him to sign for us

If this Buendia is as good as people on here say he is then I hope we get him (but I have a feeling he may prefer Living the London life style)
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Post by: Taylor on June 04, 2021, 07:06:17 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time
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Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2021, 07:10:28 AM
Because they need the dosh.
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Post by: London Villan on June 04, 2021, 07:10:43 AM
Maybe he doesn’t fancy a relegation battle.
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Post by: frank black on June 04, 2021, 07:32:40 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time

Their chairman has pretty much said they’d sell for 30 plus mil and reinvest to make the overall team stronger.
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Post by: Ads on June 04, 2021, 07:56:17 AM
The huge levels of cope on the Norwich Forum as they decide there's no difference between us and them is amusing.

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Post by: Scratchins on June 04, 2021, 08:17:45 AM
The last time I remember both us and Arsenal were after the same player was Earl Barrett and Big Ron convinced him to sign for us

If this Buendia is as good as people on here say he is then I hope we get him (but I have a feeling he may prefer Living the London life style)

Tony Daley said that Earl Barrett was the most difficult defender that he ever faced.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 04, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
I want us to corner the Emi market by having Martinez, Buendia and Smith-Rowe. Much like we did when cornered the Jordan market a number of years back with Bowery, Veretout, Amavi and Ayew.

This does mean bringing back Heskey though
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 04, 2021, 08:48:29 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time

Their chairman has pretty much said they’d sell for 30 plus mil and reinvest to make the overall team stronger.
Don't they want £40?

At £30m I'd say that's good value.
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Post by: Risso on June 04, 2021, 08:48:55 AM

If this Buendia is as good as people on here say he is then I hope we get him (but I have a feeling he may prefer Living the London life style)

He's been living in Norfolk, the excitement of London would be too much for him in one go. Better he works up to it with say, 5 years in Birmingham first.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 08:52:58 AM
Buendia could drag out...

Probably won't find out till at least July... World Cup qualifiers, then Copa America then, perhaps, two week isolation as returning from red country.

I think that counts against us as imagine our owners and facilities could be quite impressive in person but more difficult to convince someone over the phone/on Zoom. The combination of Arsenal having been far more successful than us in recent years and London lifestyle gives them a headstart, assuming that they're willing to match what we offer.

The only thing I'm wondering if if his exclusion from Argentina's squad last night (or early this morning UK time) is because he is heading back to discuss terms with Villa and/or Arsenal, in which case we would probably find out in the next few days.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2021, 09:07:09 AM
Buendia could drag out...

Probably won't find out till at least July... World Cup qualifiers, then Copa America then, perhaps, two week isolation as returning from red country.

I think that counts against us as imagine our owners and facilities could be quite impressive in person but more difficult to convince someone over the phone/on Zoom. The combination of Arsenal having been far more successful than us in recent years and London lifestyle gives them a headstart, assuming that they're willing to match what we offer.

The only thing I'm wondering if if his exclusion from Argentina's squad last night (or early this morning UK time) is because he is heading back to discuss terms with Villa and/or Arsenal, in which case we would probably find out in the next few days.

He was named for the first time in a large squad that has now been reduced for the WC and Copa America. A few days with the squad would have done him the world of good to spend time talking to former Arsenal keeper Emi Martinez and why Villa is a better choice.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 09:10:10 AM
Ah, okay. So he's not going to the Copa America? Norwich were Tweeting that he could make his international debut a couple of hours before kick off.
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Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 09:24:57 AM

If this Buendia is as good as people on here say he is then I hope we get him (but I have a feeling he may prefer Living the London life style)

He's been living in Norfolk, the excitement of London would be too much for him in one go. Better he works up to it with say, 5 years in Birmingham first.

"Where are all the 50ft chickens and big eared farm boys?"
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2021, 09:40:54 AM
Ah, okay. So he's not going to the Copa America? Norwich were Tweeting that he could make his international debut a couple of hours before kick off.

A few players (including their goalkeeper) have negative tests but he wasn't even in the matchday squad.
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Post by: Smithy on June 04, 2021, 10:01:43 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time

I think it's a case of lesson learned from last time.  Coming up and having a couple of outstanding players, but very little behind that isn't good enough to stay in the premier league - as they've shown. Buendia was 4th in the 'chances created' stats last time they were up, and they still went down.  You're much better off with a dozen pretty solid players, even if it means selling your best asset to acquire some of them.  We were very fortunate to have owners who afford to build a squad without selling our biggest assets.  Norwich don't have that luxury.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time

Their DoF said in BBC article that they have a £30m hole in their turnover due to COVID so they’re likely to sell one of Buendia, Cantwell or Aarons.  To paraphrase, he said it would be a record transfer and the price would need to start with a three.
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Post by: Ads on June 04, 2021, 10:19:44 AM
Maybe I’m being naive, but why would Norwich, after just being promoted, let their best player go? They won’t want to make the same mistakes as last time

Their DoF said in BBC article that they have a £30m hole in their turnover due to COVID so they’re likely to sell one of Buendia, Cantwell or Aarons.  To paraphrase, he said it would be a record transfer and the price would need to start with a three.

And despite that sealing their relegation, which was a certainty anyway, they're apparently our rivals for next season.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2021, 10:26:34 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 04, 2021, 10:30:03 AM
I think they acceprt Buendia wants to move on.  I was surprised nobody picked him up last summer.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.

There’s been a few good articles written about Norwich following their promotion.  They acknowledge that there’s no money beyond that generated by the club and sales. They will have planned to sell Buendia this summer and I would not be surprised if they’ve deliberately raised his profile to optimise his price.  I’d also expect them to have players lined up to slot in to the squad too once the money is in the bank.

It must be crap as a fan but they (almost?) went bust when they tried to over stretch themselves previously.

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Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2021, 10:52:21 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.

More exciting than being midtable year in, year out.
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Post by: danno on June 04, 2021, 10:54:24 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.

There’s been a few good articles written about Norwich following their promotion.  They acknowledge that there’s no money beyond that generated by the club and sales. They will have planned to sell Buendia this summer and I would not be surprised if they’ve deliberately raised his profile to optimise his price.  I’d also expect them to have players lined up to slot in to the squad too once the money is in the bank.

It must be crap as a fan but they (almost?) went bust when they tried to over stretch themselves previously.

One thing the Norwich fans can take comfort in is that their owners don't take money out of the club. Even if they don't lash out on players, they do invest in the club and its facilities.

Example:  https://www.lsiarchitects.co.uk/latest-news/norwich-city-football-club-unveil-new-academy-facility/?cookie=ok
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Post by: algy on June 04, 2021, 11:03:21 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.

There’s been a few good articles written about Norwich following their promotion.  They acknowledge that there’s no money beyond that generated by the club and sales. They will have planned to sell Buendia this summer and I would not be surprised if they’ve deliberately raised his profile to optimise his price.  I’d also expect them to have players lined up to slot in to the squad too once the money is in the bank.

It must be crap as a fan but they (almost?) went bust when they tried to over stretch themselves previously.
Yeah, I sympathise with them but see them as perpetually overachieving - they've managed to make themselves too good for the Championship despite being a size where ... well, other similarly sized clubs mainly exist between the Championship and League 1, with an occasional dalliance with top flight football. They could probably pay Buendia a kings ransom to stay for another 12 months, but then what? Go down again because they've got largely the same squad that was relegated 2 years before. It's PM probably not a bad move for them to shift him on, build the side around Aarons and Cantwell, try to build a squad that can stay up but if not will definitely have another pop at it in 2 seasons time
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Post by: Richard E on June 04, 2021, 11:04:07 AM
They have nice colours.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2021, 11:13:13 AM
They're a weird one, Norwich. This is their fourth promotion to the PL in the last ten years. Kinda wonder why they bother making the effort, only to generally follow it up by not making an effort.

There’s been a few good articles written about Norwich following their promotion.  They acknowledge that there’s no money beyond that generated by the club and sales. They will have planned to sell Buendia this summer and I would not be surprised if they’ve deliberately raised his profile to optimise his price.  I’d also expect them to have players lined up to slot in to the squad too once the money is in the bank.

It must be crap as a fan but they (almost?) went bust when they tried to over stretch themselves previously.
Yeah, I sympathise with them but see them as perpetually overachieving - they've managed to make themselves too good for the Championship despite being a size where ... well, other similarly sized clubs mainly exist between the Championship and League 1, with an occasional dalliance with top flight football. They could probably pay Buendia a kings ransom to stay for another 12 months, but then what? Go down again because they've got largely the same squad that was relegated 2 years before. It's PM probably not a bad move for them to shift him on, build the side around Aarons and Cantwell, try to build a squad that can stay up but if not will definitely have another pop at it in 2 seasons time

I like their honest and realistic approach.  They’ve grown the club by investing in training facilities and a good youth system.  Typically have a succession plan in place for when players do leave (i.e Buendia replaced madisson).  I can see them making Skipp a permanent deal if/when Buendia leaves.

Conversely Bournemouth now appear to be screwed because all they did was offer big wages.
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Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2021, 11:29:37 AM
They have nice colours.

And lovely countryside.
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Post by: Mister E on June 04, 2021, 11:45:57 AM
I like their honest and realistic approach.  They’ve grown the club by investing in training facilities and a good youth system.  Typically have a succession plan in place for when players do leave (i.e Buendia replaced madisson).  I can see them making Skipp a permanent deal if/when Buendia leaves.
Conversely Bournemouth now appear to be screwed because all they did was offer big wages.
Yeah, clubs like Norwich and Sourhampton have done a fabulous job of producing young stars who have generated good funds for them. We're belatedly doing the same, but with the bonus of having a big-city infrastructure and dirty-rich owners.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 04, 2021, 11:55:38 AM
Yellow nets, good pies.

And incest.

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Post by: chrisw1 on June 04, 2021, 11:58:34 AM
Yellow nets, good pies.

And incest.


<spits tea out>
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Post by: OCD on June 04, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
I remember a few years back when Southampton fans were saying they were a bigger club than us. It shouldn't come as a surprise that their fans think they will be competing with us. They've just seen their club walk the championship and probably making an assumption that we won't be as good this season or they're comparing themselves with the version of us that we saw in the second half of the season.

Someone posted a video of our new training facilities the other week. Their facilities don't compare but it's good for them that their owners are re-investing back into the club. They may well stabilise as a Premier League club in the coming years.
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Post by: Wiggz on June 04, 2021, 12:26:05 PM
Just throwing the odd post in here from a lurker!

Buendia was one I really didn't see the point of last year when we were linked, but he's grown on me. I said for the last 6 months to people mainly on Twitter, I'd love to see Dwight McNeill in the proper Claret and Blue - a proper Villa player for me. Very hard working, and with a bit of flair and good end product.

I do think we need a destroyer though. I think Luiz is a little slack on the ball and doesn't have the legs to play that role, and the jury is still out on Nakamba as a starting enforcer. Great at hunting the ball down but in transition I'd worry a bit (not overly).

Who you think from a destroyer? Billing?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 12:30:38 PM
I'd like an Italian hard bastard who can play for the DM role. Someone like Gattuso. I'm aware that Gattuso himself may be past his best given that he's a month older than me.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 04, 2021, 12:37:58 PM
Yellow nets, good pies.

And incest.




The ultimate in family club
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 12:41:05 PM
I'd like an Italian hard bastard who can play for the DM role. Someone like Gattuso. I'm aware that Gattuso himself may be past his best given that he's a month older than me.

Sandro Tonali is not only an Adam Driver lookalike, he plays the DM position with the intelligence of Adam Driver in Paterson and the aggression of Adam Driver in Star Wars.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 12:55:02 PM
I'd like an Italian hard bastard who can play for the DM role. Someone like Gattuso. I'm aware that Gattuso himself may be past his best given that he's a month older than me.

Sandro Tonali is not only an Adam Driver lookalike, he plays the DM position with the intelligence of Adam Driver in Paterson and the aggression of Adam Driver in Star Wars.

I don't know who either man is, and I've never seen Paterson or Star Wars. On that basis, sign him up.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2021, 01:01:06 PM
I wonder if Smith Rowe is actually plan B if Buendia isn't happening and goes to Arsenal. I'd be up for that as think he is terrific footballer and improved Arsenal when he broke through.

If Arsenal sign Buendia then they have him, Pepe (who actually started playing well for them last few games and cost them a fortune so not easy to sell), Saka, Martinellli and errr Willian for the three positions off the striker so given they're not in europe Smith Rowe might struggle to get as much playing time as last season so with just a few years left on his deal he might fancy moving on although London lad so might be a struggle to convince him to up roots but I could see him fitting in very well here alongside Grealish and taking over that creative mantle if he's injured.

Little concerened we haven't been linked with a quick wide player yet. Having loads of players who can dribble and probe with the ball is good and we were much better counter attacking last season but still feels to me unless Ollie is drifting out wide we struggle to get in behind backlines and dragging them out of position.

Having a couple of quick players in final third really helps that. Imagine if Jack had come through a few years earlier and been in same team as Young and the better verision of Gabby, that would've been ridiculously exciting to watch.
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Post by: D.boy on June 04, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
I have a colleague who is a massive Norwich fan and football nut in general. He rates Buendia very highly indeed. Quote "IF YOU HAD A FRONT 3 OF GREALISH, WATKINS AND BUENDIA THAT WOULD BE BLOODY FRIGHTENING"
I think Buendia would be a massive step in the right direction (if we can get him).
I would rather see us mould and bring on our own youngsters such as Carney/Barry/Young/Kessler than spend millions on other clubs youngsters.
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Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 01:18:07 PM
I have a colleague who is a massive Norwich fan and football nut in general. He rates Buendia very highly indeed. Quote "IF YOU HAD A FRONT 3 OF GREALISH, WATKINS AND BUENDIA THAT WOULD BE BLOODY FRIGHTENING"
I think Buendia would be a massive step in the right direction (if we can get him).
I would rather see us mould and bring on our own youngsters such as Carney/Barry/Young/Kessler than spend millions on other clubs youngsters.

Is he bit deaf?
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Post by: D.boy on June 04, 2021, 01:23:34 PM
Sorry for the capitals, Quotes are always in capitals at work, force of habit.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 04, 2021, 01:24:40 PM
Sorry for the capitals, Quotes are always in capitals at work, force of habit.

'I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A THING'
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Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 01:31:48 PM
Sorry for the capitals, Quotes are always in capitals at work, force of habit.

'I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A THING'

"I BET THAT'S A RIGHT PAIN IN THE ARSE"
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Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2021, 01:33:10 PM
What about Cantwell if Buendia is not possible? He was out of their team for a while, not sure if it was because of injury or cos he kicked-off about not getting a move after they were relegated last year.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 01:35:02 PM
What about Cantwell if Buendia is not possible? He was out of their team for a while, not sure if it was because of injury or cos he kicked-off about not getting a move after they were relegated last year.

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Post by: Dr Butler on June 04, 2021, 01:37:47 PM
Yellow nets, good pies.

And incest.



and music after a Narrrich goal has been scored, clapper things like Fulham and Leicester have...nice pubs though...

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: darren woolley on June 04, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
I hope we sign Buendia would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 01:40:55 PM
What about Cantwell if Buendia is not possible? He was out of their team for a while, not sure if it was because of injury or cos he kicked-off about not getting a move after they were relegated last year.

Investigated by WADA for unnatural levels of estrogen found in his sample.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 04, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
A reporter in Turkey claims buendias preferred choice is Arsenal.

Arsenal are a sinking ship under Kroenke.  Why anyone would want to go to them these days is beyond  me.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 03:11:59 PM
A reporter in Turkey claims buendias preferred choice is Arsenal.

Arsenal are a sinking ship under Kroenke.  Why anyone would want to go to them these days is beyond  me.

Literally why would a reporter in Turkey know anything about this?
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Post by: Richard E on June 04, 2021, 03:12:56 PM
Some random guy in Turkey is possibly not best placed to be in the know vis a vis an Argentinian who plays in England.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 03:13:13 PM
They have nice colours.

Really? I think they're horrendous.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 03:15:34 PM
A reporter in Turkey claims buendias preferred choice is Arsenal.

Arsenal are a sinking ship under Kroenke.  Why anyone would want to go to them these days is beyond  me.

Most people would prefer Arsenal, if we are honest. This is why we need galactico signings to show we mean business. That "sinking ship" still wins a trophy every two to three years.

Our owners should be convincing players that we can surpass them in the next few years, if not next season. But doesn't seem particularly unlikely that a player would prefer Arsenal over us if he hasn't even spoken to our owners.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
Preece does say that both Villa and Arsenal have made offers (or rather 'lodged bids', which is vomit-inducing). Let's just offer double what they do just to make them look small.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
Preece does say that both Villa and Arsenal have made offers (or rather 'lodged bids', which is vomit-inducing). Let's just offer double what they do just to make them look small.

Offer what they offer plus four pounds. Not one pound more, don't want to seem like skint pricks. But if we go mad and offer seven or eight pounds more, other owners might think we have money to throw away.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
A reporter in Turkey claims buendias preferred choice is Arsenal.

Arsenal are a sinking ship under Kroenke.  Why anyone would want to go to them these days is beyond  me.

Literally why would a reporter in Turkey know anything about this?

Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 03:20:42 PM
I would too, which I hate. I hate the idea of Arsenal beating us to this cool young Argentinian playmaker while we end up with Billy Nibbles or whatever from Burnley or wherever.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 03:22:52 PM
I would too, which I hate. I hate the idea of Arsenal beating us to this cool young Argentinian playmaker while we end up with Billy Nibbles or whatever from Burnley or wherever.

Don't be preposterous, Monty. Billy Nibbles is a lifelong Burnley fan who would only leave to join Wolves.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

I didn't know that. That's a definite positive.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 03:57:56 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

I absolutely make us favourites to sign him. Look at the trajectories of both sides. We are firmly on the way up. The bottom can fall out of Arsenal at any time. If they were in Europe I'd give them the edge but right now, I'd give us the lead albeit slight.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 04, 2021, 04:06:02 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

This for me too - plus Emi has been with him for the last week and could be first hand extolling our virtues - he will have seen him finally make his Argentina debut, they've been playing table tennis together for goodness sake!!! 
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Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

I absolutely make us favourites to sign him. Look at the trajectories of both sides. We are firmly on the way up. The bottom can fall out of Arsenal at any time. If they were in Europe I'd give them the edge but right now, I'd give us the lead albeit slight.

You're only setting yourself up for a fall now, you'll be gutted when you see him interviewed saying how much he loved 'Fever Pitch' as a kid and always bought The Angel Islington in Monopoly first.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 04:17:22 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

I absolutely make us favourites to sign him. Look at the trajectories of both sides. We are firmly on the way up. The bottom can fall out of Arsenal at any time. If they were in Europe I'd give them the edge but right now, I'd give us the lead albeit slight.

You're only setting yourself up for a fall now, you'll be gutted when you see him interviewed saying how much he loved 'Fever Pitch' as a kid and always bought The Angel Islington in Monopoly first.

haha, what a great book though even through the experiences of an Arsenal fan. I don't neccessarily miss all of the experiences of that era as an Indian kid going to games in the 80's but there was something very romantic and real about football back then
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 04, 2021, 04:22:52 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

Do they? Didnt know that.

Will definitely help then
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.

In your opinion. I enjoyed it. Others did too I'm sure.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 04, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.

Not read the book in years, wasn’t my recollection but there you go. It may have been a bit nu-fan for some but it rang some chords for me as a middle class white boy from the shires. I always got the feeling it was more a book about obsession than being a football supporter.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
A reporter in Turkey claims buendias preferred choice is Arsenal.

Arsenal are a sinking ship under Kroenke.  Why anyone would want to go to them these days is beyond  me.

Most people would prefer Arsenal, if we are honest. This is why we need galactico signings to show we mean business. That "sinking ship" still wins a trophy every two to three years.

Our owners should be convincing players that we can surpass them in the next few years, if not next season. But doesn't seem particularly unlikely that a player would prefer Arsenal over us if he hasn't even spoken to our owners.

I’d agree with that. Even if Arsenal are sinking I suspect that for now most players given a straight choice would pick Arsenal.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 04, 2021, 04:43:09 PM
If the agent bit is true that could help.  I still think he'll pick Arsenal though.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 04:46:09 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.

Not read the book in years, wasn’t my recollection but there you go. It may have been a bit nu-fan for some but it rang some chords for me as a middle class white boy from the shires. I always got the feeling it was more a book about obsession than being a football supporter.

I couldn't get beyond him never going to an away match, not caring if other supporters were priced out or clubs went out of business, missing a cup final to go to an awards dinner and giving up altogether when he lived an hour away. He probably influenced Tim Lovejoy as well.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2021, 04:51:07 PM
If the agent bit is true that could help.

Cheeky runt. https://www.twentytwo.tv/
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Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2021, 04:52:18 PM
And everything bad in the last 20 years, the economic crash, the rise of the far right, global warming, Pritti Patel, war, famine and pestilence, they all go back to Lovejoy.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 04, 2021, 04:57:57 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.

Not read the book in years, wasn’t my recollection but there you go. It may have been a bit nu-fan for some but it rang some chords for me as a middle class white boy from the shires. I always got the feeling it was more a book about obsession than being a football supporter.

I couldn't get beyond him never going to an away match, not caring if other supporters were priced out or clubs went out of business, missing a cup final to go to an awards dinner and giving up altogether when he lived an hour away. He probably influenced Tim Lovejoy as well.

So why are there countless tales of him at away matches? Agree on the points re fan pricing and I’d forgotten about his rather Thatcherite view on Football finances which did grate art he time from recollection but Don’t recall the awards do thing or the giving up altogether in the book or was that afterwards?

Of course if he did influence Lovejoy then he should burn in the fires of eternal damnation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
He missed the 1993 cup final replay because of the awards and said he gave up watching when he lived in Cambridge. I also can't remember him at an away in the book.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 04, 2021, 05:18:48 PM
He missed the 1993 cup final replay because of the awards and said he gave up watching when he lived in Cambridge. I also can't remember him at an away in the book.

The book finished in 1990 (ironically on that awful 0-0 draw against us in the 90-91 season remembered mainly because Tony Adams was quite patently drunk and we were singing “what a waste of carrots at him”)  so the awards thing and being in Cambridge were afterwards. One of my memories of it was him going to Derby away for a Cup game on the special and being legged back to the station. I think if what you’re saying is true then it was very much a question of him being an obsessional fan for a 30 odd year period of his life rather than what I’d call a football supporter.
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Post by: danno on June 04, 2021, 05:19:51 PM
If the agent bit is true that could help.

Cheeky runt. https://www.twentytwo.tv/

Come on Rudy! knocking together a phoney website to seem ITK.  That's poor.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 05:22:58 PM
He missed the 1993 cup final replay because of the awards and said he gave up watching when he lived in Cambridge. I also can't remember him at an away in the book.

The book finished in 1990 (ironically on that awful 0-0 draw against us in the 90-91 season remembered mainly because Tony Adams was quite patently drunk and we were singing “what a waste of carrots at him”)  so the awards thing and being in Cambridge were afterwards. One of my memories of it was him going to Derby away for a Cup game on the special and being legged back to the station. I think if what you’re saying is true then it was very much a question of him being an obsessional fan for a 30 odd year period of his life rather than what I’d call a football supporter.

There were aspects of the book we could all relate to. I don't think it defined the type of fan you are or how much of a fan you are. We all have similar experiences of going to games and some obviously have been fortunate (or not) to go to a lot more. I don't think it means he is pretentious in how he told his story. It's just his story and one depending on your experiences you generally relate to as a fan at that time. And I'm sure a lot of us have had to make decisions to not go to games; be they football related or non. It happens. You still love your club and it's why over the years so many of us stay on here for the good times and the bad.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 05:28:41 PM
I couldn't relate to it at all. He lived in Cambridge during the book period; he talked about watching them. And Tony Adams was in prison when we played Arsenal in 1990-91.
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Post by: Stu on June 04, 2021, 05:34:11 PM
He missed the 1993 cup final replay because of the awards and said he gave up watching when he lived in Cambridge. I also can't remember him at an away in the book.

He describes an away to Villa Park in the book, which he called a "magnificent ground". He did however also refer to Ron Saunders as a dour, defensive manager of the type that only ever turned up at Highbury to play for a draw.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 05:36:54 PM
Well Ron did like a 1-0, I don't think that's controversial.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 04, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
I couldn't relate to it at all. He lived in Cambridge during the book period; he talked about watching them. And Tony Adams was in prison when we played Arsenal in 1990-91.

You’re right Dave he did, apologies. He did go and watch Cambridge United though so he wasn’t a complete wrong’un.

I’m sure Adams played in the away game but it is 30 years ago so maybe I’m forgetting or maybe it was 91-92.🤷🏼‍♂️
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 05:45:34 PM
The away that season was late on; it was the Platt in goal game. If I remember correctly we played them six times in five seasons, won five and still only drew on aggregate.
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Post by: Stu on June 04, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
Fever Pitch did start the whole pseuds corner bullshit around football though, the peak of which was 'Brilliant Orange' by David Winner about Dutch football and architecture and how they could be related. It's absolute dirge, please no one buy this. Don't encourage this behaviour.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 05:53:24 PM
A lot of writers want to write about football very badly, and they do.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2021, 06:02:15 PM
I think it was Simon Inglis who said he could have written Fever Pitch if he'd been egotistical enough to think anyone would want to  read it. I can't remember who said that a couple of years earlier Hornby would have written it about records he owned.
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Post by: OCD on June 04, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
I think having a player choose us over Arsenal would be quite a statement. It's a test of where are for sure.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 04, 2021, 06:05:23 PM
I think it was Simon Inglis who said he could have written Fever Pitch if he'd been egotistical enough to think anyone would want to  read it. I can't remember who said that a couple of years earlier Hornby would have written it about records he owned.

Wasn’t one of his follow up books about vinyl records or am I imagining that? I vaguely recall reading something along those lines by him.
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Post by: Stu on June 04, 2021, 06:11:05 PM
I think it was Simon Inglis who said he could have written Fever Pitch if he'd been egotistical enough to think anyone would want to  read it. I can't remember who said that a couple of years earlier Hornby would have written it about records he owned.

Wasn’t one of his follow up books about vinyl records or am I imagining that? I vaguely recall reading something along those lines by him.

High Fidelity.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 04, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
I think it was Simon Inglis who said he could have written Fever Pitch if he'd been egotistical enough to think anyone would want to  read it. I can't remember who said that a couple of years earlier Hornby would have written it about records he owned.

Wasn’t one of his follow up books about vinyl records or am I imagining that? I vaguely recall reading something along those lines by him.

High Fidelity.

A novel, rather than a memoir though.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 04, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
I think he would go to us. At least when we win trophies , the fans would applaud him off , where If Arsenal do ever win any , very unlikely , they would just fuck off with ten minuts to go .
Footballers prefer real fans not plastics.
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Post by: Monty on June 04, 2021, 07:54:28 PM
I think he would go to us. At least when we win trophies , the fans would applaud him off , where If Arsenal do ever win any , very unlikely , they would just fuck off with ten minuts to go .
Footballers prefer real fans not plastics.

Not if the evidence of virtually every big money transfer ever is to be believed.
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Post by: lovejoy on June 04, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
And everything bad in the last 20 years, the economic crash, the rise of the far right, global warming, Pritti Patel, war, famine and pestilence, they all go back to Lovejoy.

Hang on!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 08:00:42 PM
Arsenal despite all their problems still found a way to have a superb second half of the season. They will still be a very attractive proposition for him. It’s London too so there is that factor if it is important to the player. Hopefully our own Emi is able convince him that leaving was the best thing for his career and that carries enough weight for him to come our way. Having the same agent isn’t a bad thing either.
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Post by: Ads on June 04, 2021, 08:03:35 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on June 04, 2021, 08:07:24 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.

And £200 million ahead of us in terms of gross debt.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2021, 08:19:38 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.

The point is given where they were and where they ended up they had to improve considerably to get there. I’ve already said I think he will come to us but I wouldn’t be dismissive of what Arsenal will present as an option. They are hardly Burnley or Brighton.
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Post by: OCD on June 04, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Arsenal despite all their problems still found a way to have a superb second half of the season. They will still be a very attractive proposition for him. It’s London too so there is that factor if it is important to the player. Hopefully our own Emi is able convince him that leaving was the best thing for his career and that carries enough weight for him to come our way. Having the same agent isn’t a bad thing either.

Emi is the perfect person for him to have been talking to. Not just about what's going on with us at present but also the pitfalls of being at Arsenal right now.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2021, 08:43:42 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.

The point is given where they were and where they ended up they had to improve considerably to get there. I’ve already said I think he will come to us but I wouldn’t be dismissive of what Arsenal will present as an option. They are hardly Burnley or Brighton.

It’d be mental to dismiss Arsenal as an attractive option to players. They still hold onto some of their allure from their successful period, even if it’s diminishing, plus there’s the London factor. They might struggle to compete against the clubs at the top, but if a player had the choice of us and them and chose us I think it would still be a bit of a coup (at least for now).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 08:52:41 PM
I think he would go to us. At least when we win trophies , the fans would applaud him off , where If Arsenal do ever win any , very unlikely , they would just fuck off with ten minuts to go .
Footballers prefer real fans not plastics.

They couldn't give the slightest toss.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.

The point is given where they were and where they ended up they had to improve considerably to get there. I’ve already said I think he will come to us but I wouldn’t be dismissive of what Arsenal will present as an option. They are hardly Burnley or Brighton.

It’d be mental to dismiss Arsenal as an attractive option to players. They still hold onto some of their allure from their successful period, even if it’s diminishing, plus there’s the London factor. They might struggle to compete against the clubs at the top, but if a player had the choice of us and them and chose us I think it would still be a bit of a coup (at least for now).

And they won the FA Cup last year, it's hardly like they haven't won anything since Herbert Chapman was knocking about.
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Post by: Mister E on June 04, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
I think having a player choose us over Arsenal would be quite a statement. It's a test of where are for sure.
Didn't Martinez do that already?
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Post by: Ads on June 04, 2021, 09:02:13 PM
The finished a huge 6 points ahead of us.

And £200 million ahead of us in terms of gross debt.

They paid off the £120m emergency loan from the Bank of England with another loan, the skint rats.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 09:02:19 PM
To an extent, but he really chose to leave Arsenal's bench for our first team, which isn't the same comparison here unless people think Buendia would struggle to get a game if they signed him, which seems unlikely.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 04, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
Added to that, we can certainly outbid Arsenal on the fee. They do have a tendency to offer daft wages though, and for a young Argentinian you'd imagine that they'd have a much greater pull than we do. I have a feeling that agents and players' overriding priories when making these decisions are the value of the contract and (a distant second) the prestige of the club, rather than the long-term health of the organisation. I'd make them favourites.

He shares the same agent as Emi Martinez. His agent knows how happy Martinez is. He knows how to do a deal with Villa. He knows the failings of Arsenal. I'm not giving up yet.

This for me too - plus Emi has been with him for the last week and could be first hand extolling our virtues - he will have seen him finally make his Argentina debut, they've been playing table tennis together for goodness sake!!!

And he'll have told him we were better than Arsenal last season...twice.

Here's hoping.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2021, 09:36:35 PM
Yep. I've hardly seen him play but have decided I want to sign him desperately. Hopefully Arsenal aren't as serious as we are.
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Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2021, 10:03:38 PM
Fever Pitch was horrible, pretentious shite.

Agree but not nearly as much as pretentious shite as that 31 Songs bag of sap Hornby released...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2021, 10:24:10 PM
I'm not that actually that bothered if he signs or not. He's a good player don't get me wrong but I don't think he's the sort to really push us towards the top 6 tbh. We really need to be signing one of those this summer so a bit worried he seems to be our number one target.

Seems a bit odd to me people are happy potentially spending 40m on him....yet Saint Maximn is dismissed out of hand if say Newcastle want 50m for him even though he is far more proven in premier league and I reckon would give us the unpredictability and some decent pace in final third if Jack isn't around.

If he signs for Arsenal anyway I reckon Smith Rowe could be squeezed out as then they'd have loads of options for the three behind the striker and no europe so I'd be very happy with him.

With Trez out for most of next season we're actually quite light for wide players, just Jack, Traore and AEG as it stands which isn't that many for a potential 50 game season and I presume Buendia is being scouted as a sort of Barkley replacement.

P.S sorry missed the important debate as ever...never read fever pitch although always get the feeling this Hornby guy is like a twin of Alan Davies?! These Arsenal tarquins.....

Did read and enjoy Brilliant Orange which was lumped in on the other page. There were some fantastic books on european football and fan culture around the late 90s/2000 period. Morbo by Phil Ball is a great one to learn about Spanish football culture and rivals and Miracle of Castel Di Sangro on this village team who got to I think Serie B is a classic aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2021, 10:30:43 PM
I hope he's been scouted to play on the right where he's shown he can deliver week in, week out. 'Unpredictability' we have in spades with Traore, El Ghazi and Trez. It's not always a good thing, more often than not the complete opposite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2021, 10:31:05 PM
kinda surprised Arsenal are targeting a Smith Rowe replacement, unless I am mistaken and Buendia is more right sided that I remember.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2021, 10:35:26 PM
Bit concerned if he's our right sided solution tbh, want a real pace merchant for that side and we can get more technical player to replace Barkley so Buendia can still be signed aswell.

Saw Lucas Moura in talks with Saudi Arabian club. Guess his wages would be too high for us but thought he was MOTM in the VP game, that's the sort I'd be looking at who could do a solid job for us for 2-3 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FatSam on June 05, 2021, 12:37:27 AM
Fever Pitch did start the whole pseuds corner bullshit around football though, the peak of which was 'Brilliant Orange' by David Winner about Dutch football and architecture and how they could be related. It's absolute dirge, please no one buy this. Don't encourage this behaviour.
I must admit that I enjoyed Brilliant Orange when I read it 20 years ago. My recollection is that it is about a uniquely Dutch conception of space. That's an interesting idea, no? I can't remember it veering off into architecture, but I can understand why it might be appropriate to.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on June 05, 2021, 08:38:25 AM
Bit concerned if he's our right sided solution tbh, want a real pace merchant for that side and we can get more technical player to replace Barkley so Buendia can still be signed aswell.
Saw Lucas Moura in talks with Saudi Arabian club. Guess his wages would be too high for us but thought he was MOTM in the VP game, that's the sort I'd be looking at who could do a solid job for us for 2-3 seasons.
I've always been impressed when Moura has played.
I wonder whether Buendia is a stalking horse for another Villa target: we don't normally do our scouting in the media ... perhaps we're actually looking elsewhere. However, if we do bring him in I think he'll be 1 of 3 so we may get the pace you mention from another purchase.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 05, 2021, 08:56:56 AM
For what it’s worth, I think that Arsenal will get Buendia. It’s not logical and they’re a club in chaos, he might not be guaranteed playing time either, but equally, the draw of London is often too much for players. It would be a huge statement if we could do it though, but I just don’t see it happening.

We’re more likely to get for Dwight McNeil I think.

However, let’s not forget that Martinez has probably been in Buendia’s ears during the international matches. 

We shall see. I’d be disappointed if this happens but equally if he doesn’t want to be here…

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2021, 09:42:59 AM
I think we're more likely. We're loads richer for a start.

But the Martinez factor is huge. I came to the Villa, its absolutely amazing, the training facilities are better than Arsenal, there's a sense of upward trajectory and most importantly I'm now the Argentina number 1 and that's because I've played every minute.

I'm sure Bunders would be our Barkley replacement and be guaranteed most minutes. World Cup is next year...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 05, 2021, 09:45:11 AM
Also, we're a more obvious stepping stone to the Champions League if it comes to that, as he would play every single minute.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2021, 10:22:34 AM
Leicester in the past 2 years have gatecrashed the top 6 and now the fairly lamentable in play West Ham have too.

There is nothing to stop us finishing above Arsenal or having a serious crack at the top 6 next season. We're both modyable. They have a poor, dour manager, chaos, an unbalanced squad on huge wages and a board that's not got a pot to piss in compared to us  using loans to service loans. They also don't appear to care.

Clubs like that get punished.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
We would have finished top six if Grealish hadn't got injured.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 05, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
The delusion of the Arsenallers is awe-inspiring. One of them apparently said on some sort of social media hole of a platform: 'does anyone else feel Villa’s interest in Buendia is to encourage Arsenal to bid for Grealish who Buendia is going to replace?'. I mean, what can you do with such headbanging stupidity?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2021, 11:06:26 AM
I'm not too embarrassed to admit I'm a little aroused at the prospect of us being used by an Argentinian playmaker looking to cement a starting spot in their World Cup team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 11:16:23 AM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 05, 2021, 11:22:20 AM
I think fans of other clubs are genuinely concerned about our muscle flexing regarding being taken seriously as a force at the top end of the Premier League.
The whole Aston Villa show is getting stronger and stronger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
I think fans of other clubs are genuinely concerned about our muscle flexing regarding being taken seriously as a force at the top end of the Premier League.
The whole Aston Villa show is getting stronger and stronger.

A real marquee signing would certainly help that cause.  Not sure Buendia is that just yet but seems to be a decent sort of player who will give us options centrally or wide.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 05, 2021, 11:30:16 AM
The delusion of the Arsenallers is awe-inspiring. One of them apparently said on some sort of social media hole of a platform: 'does anyone else feel Villa’s interest in Buendia is to encourage Arsenal to bid for Grealish who Buendia is going to replace?'. I mean, what can you do with such headbanging stupidity?

My typical response to the deluded Arsenal lot is "Nah, if Grealish leaves Villa he'll only go to a big club". It really annoys them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 05, 2021, 11:32:13 AM
I think fans of other clubs are genuinely concerned about our muscle flexing regarding being taken seriously as a force at the top end of the Premier League.
The whole Aston Villa show is getting stronger and stronger.

A real marquee signing would certainly help that cause.  Not sure Buendia is that just yet but seems to be a decent sort of player who will give us options centrally or wide.

I think you're right - not quite a marquee signing but someone who would probably give us the same degree of a step forward in his position that Martinez, Cash and Watkins did last year.

I'd really like him in but even if not it shows (if true) that we're looking at the right type of player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2021, 11:44:14 AM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual

Atletico Madrid has been the other name mentioned since Day 1. Buendia started at Real but was rejected by them after a year and ended up at Getafe. Until now nothing from them, could be just paper talk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on June 05, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
Is Matheus Pereira a viable plan B,  or are they completely different types of player?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 11:59:26 AM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual

Atletico Madrid has been the other name mentioned since Day 1. Buendia started at Real but was rejected by them after a year and ended up at Getafe. Until now nothing from them, could be just paper talk.

Interesting. Didn't know they'd been sniffing around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on June 05, 2021, 12:03:12 PM
Doesn’t he talk about an away game at Reading in the book where, as a youngster, he’s eyes were opened to swearing?  Come to think of it, was that even an Arsenal game?  It’s been years since I read it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
Doesn’t he talk about an away game at Reading in the book where, as a youngster, he’s eyes were opened to swearing?  Come to think of it, was that even an Arsenal game?  It’s been years since I read it.

He liked Leatherhead for a bit didn’t he? Or was that Steaming In?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 01:10:09 PM
Was it actually about football really? Thought it was more about tracking his life in relation to football. All I remember was the Gus Caesar bit and i seem to recall he stopped watching Arsenal for a bit because his life was going down the pan and watching Arsenal depressed him more. ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 05, 2021, 01:44:33 PM
I think fans of other clubs are genuinely concerned about our muscle flexing regarding being taken seriously as a force at the top end of the Premier League.
The whole Aston Villa show is getting stronger and stronger.

A real marquee signing would certainly help that cause.  Not sure Buendia is that just yet but seems to be a decent sort of player who will give us options centrally or wide.
I'm not bothered about marquee signings. Easy to forget, but Jack Grealish being at the club is a pretty marquee statement in itself. I'd rather we bought players whilst their profile was relatively low and turned them in to marquee players, something we've arguably done pretty well at lately - Mings, Watkins, Martinez, arguably McGinn, probably Konsa by the time the world cup comes around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2021, 01:54:15 PM
I think fans of other clubs are genuinely concerned about our muscle flexing regarding being taken seriously as a force at the top end of the Premier League.
The whole Aston Villa show is getting stronger and stronger.

A real marquee signing would certainly help that cause.  Not sure Buendia is that just yet but seems to be a decent sort of player who will give us options centrally or wide.
I'm not bothered about marquee signings. Easy to forget, but Jack Grealish being at the club is a pretty marquee statement in itself. I'd rather we bought players whilst their profile was relatively low and turned them in to marquee players, something we've arguably done pretty well at lately - Mings, Watkins, Martinez, arguably McGinn, probably Konsa by the time the world cup comes around.

I think that's exactly right and what villa's transfer policy is all about.  Buy them slightly undercooked but with plenty of development capability within them, exactly like Targett and Konsa and make them Marquee.  However, it will come to a point when the next step up means we have to go for the more developed player.  Probably not quite yet but if we hot the top six and want the top four, arguably.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2021, 01:56:37 PM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual

They'd be looking at signing the players actually keeping him out of the Argentina 11.

Rodrigo De Paul (Udinese)- very good assist record in Serie A and pretty much same price as Buendia would be. Talk of Inter, Juve.....and Leeds United....

Lucas Ocampos (Sevilla)- Played for a few years in Italy and France and been brilliant pick up for Sevilla.

Buendia a little below those two hence why likes of us and Arsenal from outside top 7 are the ones seriously looking at him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 05, 2021, 02:29:51 PM
Doesn’t he talk about an away game at Reading in the book where, as a youngster, he’s eyes were opened to swearing?  Come to think of it, was that even an Arsenal game?  It’s been years since I read it.

He liked Leatherhead for a bit didn’t he? Or was that Steaming In?

Steaming In.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 02:38:02 PM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual

They'd be looking at signing the players actually keeping him out of the Argentina 11.

Rodrigo De Paul (Udinese)- very good assist record in Serie A and pretty much same price as Buendia would be. Talk of Inter, Juve.....and Leeds United....

Lucas Ocampos (Sevilla)- Played for a few years in Italy and France and been brilliant pick up for Sevilla.

Buendia a little below those two hence why likes of us and Arsenal from outside top 7 are the ones seriously looking at him.

yeah if they're the same price as Buendia i'd imagine it would be a no-brainer to go for them. I'm still not sure what classes as good value post COVID and until someone signs the likes of a Sancho i'm clueless where the market is currently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 05, 2021, 02:50:51 PM
Be interesting to see if anyone else above us and Arsenal in the pecking order makes a bid. Sort of player you could imagine Chelsea, Liverpool City or ManU having a punt on given the price although maybe they're not as flush with cash as usual

They'd be looking at signing the players actually keeping him out of the Argentina 11.

Rodrigo De Paul (Udinese)- very good assist record in Serie A and pretty much same price as Buendia would be. Talk of Inter, Juve.....and Leeds United....

Lucas Ocampos (Sevilla)- Played for a few years in Italy and France and been brilliant pick up for Sevilla.

Buendia a little below those two hence why likes of us and Arsenal from outside top 7 are the ones seriously looking at him.

yeah if they're the same price as Buendia i'd imagine it would be a no-brainer to go for them. I'm still not sure what classes as good value post COVID and until someone signs the likes of a Sancho i'm clueless where the market is currently.

Yes the January window was misleading as there was hardly any action.  Suspect only PL clubs can afford big transfers this close season so there must be bargains about.  Seems the shortlist is already drawn up and sounds like conversations started some time ago so I’m expecting things to move quickly from Wednesday when the window opens
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on June 05, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
Some journo on twitter is saying we're now favourites to sign Buendia.
https://twitter.com/clmerlo/status/1401191375689879557?s=21

Emiliano Buendia, one step away from Aston Villa. The operation is well advanced and will be done at a figure close to 35 million euros. Arsenal, who also wanted him, never made an official offer to Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
In the race for Buendia it appears we have edged ahead of Arsenal from various reports. And as this is a rumours thread I take no responsibility for being entirely wrong if he ends up with them and not us. But £40m seems to be the number now
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2021, 04:46:32 PM
In the race for Buendia it appears we have edged ahead of Arsenal from various reports. And as this is a rumours thread I take no responsibility for being entirely wrong if he ends up with them and not us. But £40m seems to be the number now

"...I used to practice holding my arm up as a child in the style of the famous back 4...."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2021, 04:47:11 PM
Big pressure with that fee.

People will be expecting about 15 goals and 10 assists from that!

Just to recap we signed Traore for about 17m I think. 7 goals and a few assists later and still many are underwhelmed. El Ghazi signed for 8m and 10 league goals this season.

Just the one for Buendia in premier league last time. Todd Cantwell scored 7 so would be big pressure on him to really up that rate given likes of El Ghazi and Traore would be playing less with his signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 04:50:45 PM
Is it that big a fee? I mean yes it’s a big fee but those prices were being paid out a few years ago for the likes of Sigurdsson or Iwobi at Everton. He’ll be our record signing for right now but I don’t know that it should draw more attention than it will for the moment vs anything beyond that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on June 05, 2021, 04:53:11 PM
Big pressure with that fee.
People will be expecting about 15 goals and 10 assists from that!
Just to recap we signed Traore for about 17m I think. 7 goals and a few assists later and still many are underwhelmed. El Ghazi signed for 8m and 10 league goals this season.
Just the one for Buendia in premier league last time. Todd Cantwell scored 7 so would be big pressure on him to really up that rate given likes of El Ghazi and Traore would be playing less with his signing.
You make a good point. He will be playing in a team that is defensively stronger and more competitive than Naarrrrich of 2019-20, when he only scored once but got several assists for a low-scoring team.
Presumably, we've done our due diligence and believe he has at least 1 or 2 more gears to find; and he is reaching his prime now - 25 in December.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 05, 2021, 04:53:31 PM
One of the Norwich head-honchos was naming the price for Buendia in the press the other day, saying it should start with a '3'. So let's not got '4', yeah? Lange should be able to find a strikeforce of superstars in Scandinavia for that amount.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: simboy on June 05, 2021, 04:54:20 PM
Is it that big a fee? I mean yes it’s a big fee but those prices were being paid out a few years ago for the likes of Sigurdsson or Iwobi at Everton. He’ll be our record signing for right now but I don’t know that it should draw more attention than it will for the moment vs anything beyond that.

Fair comment. If it comes off he supposedly chose us over the Arse. That is far more important ... if it happens.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
Yeh, my comment is really that it’s a big deal for us because it’s our transfer record but in the grand scheme of things when players have gone for much more than that on a regular basis it’s not a huge deal. It certainly stands out as no other clubs are signing players so we will grab the headlines. Personally I’m delighted if this is confirmed because he looks a super player and entering the best 4 or 5 years of his career.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Is it that big a fee? I mean yes it’s a big fee but those prices were being paid out a few years ago for the likes of Sigurdsson or Iwobi at Everton. He’ll be our record signing for right now but I don’t know that it should draw more attention than it will for the moment vs anything beyond that.

Fair comment. If it comes off he supposedly chose us over the Arse. That is far more important ... if it happens.

To be fair. Arteta's pitch to new signings seems to be to guarantee a CL win in 3 years ;D  Unless Buendia's as gullible as William he probably came out of his meeting questioning his sanity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2021, 05:12:08 PM
Is it that big a fee? I mean yes it’s a big fee but those prices were being paid out a few years ago for the likes of Sigurdsson or Iwobi at Everton. He’ll be our record signing for right now but I don’t know that it should draw more attention than it will for the moment vs anything beyond that.

I'd say 40m is a big fee still.

Have Leicester or West Ham ever signed a player for that amount? Even Spurs don't tend to go that big bar Ndombele signing who was about 50m.

25-30m and I have no issue. Ollie felt a bit overpriced last summer but he's more than proved his worth.

However 40m and I'm expecting a player who can properly lift us into the top 6 and just feels like that's some better value abroad. Perhaps we'll sign one of those aswell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2021, 05:17:11 PM
Just checked Leicester signed Youri Tielemans for 35m in July 2019. Two years running he's a regular starter in side that finished 5th twice and won an FA cup.

They finished 9th in 17/18 and 18/19.

That's the sort of pressure Buendia will be under if we sign him for that fee and he dosen't hit the ground running.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 05:21:46 PM
Is it that big a fee? I mean yes it’s a big fee but those prices were being paid out a few years ago for the likes of Sigurdsson or Iwobi at Everton. He’ll be our record signing for right now but I don’t know that it should draw more attention than it will for the moment vs anything beyond that.

I'd say 40m is a big fee still.

Have Leicester or West Ham ever signed a player for that amount? Even Spurs don't tend to go that big bar Ndombele signing who was about 50m.

25-30m and I have no issue. Ollie felt a bit overpriced last summer but he's more than proved his worth.

However 40m and I'm expecting a player who can properly lift us into the top 6 and just feels like that's some better value abroad. Perhaps we'll sign one of those aswell.

Leicester signed Tielemans for around £40m and they also bought Perez for a decent fee. West Ham paid good money for Haller and Anderson if I recall. I don’t think Fornals was cheap. Didn’t Spurs go big after they sold Bale on a number of players back then in the mid to high £20m. They paid a lot of money for Sanchez and Lo Celso. Those players today I imagine would be an extra 10m or so. It’s the level of player expenditure we need to move to in order to make the jump to the next logical level in our progression.
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Post by: Ads on June 05, 2021, 05:24:03 PM
Whether it's happening or not, my continued mild obsession with reading Norwich forum (Pink un for anybody interested) has just got more amusing.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 05:24:17 PM
Just checked Leicester signed Youri Tielemans for 35m in July 2019. Two years running he's a regular starter in side that finished 5th twice and won an FA cup.

They finished 9th in 17/18 and 18/19.

That's the sort of pressure Buendia will be under if we sign him for that fee and he dosen't hit the ground running.


There is no doubt the more we spend the expectations rise on everyone. On the player of course but on the manager, on the rest of the side and very much on the captain to continue to produce at a high level and with new resources and take us up another level. However you cut it is bloody exciting and what a contrast to 3 and a bit years ago staring in the face of administration.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2021, 05:24:41 PM
Some journo on twitter is saying we're now favourites to sign Buendia.
https://twitter.com/clmerlo/status/1401191375689879557?s=21

Emiliano Buendia, one step away from Aston Villa. The operation is well advanced and will be done at a figure close to 35 million euros. Arsenal, who also wanted him, never made an official offer to Norwich.

I'd love it to be right Danno but looking at that the profile of his account, it doesn't give me much confidence he has the sources.
If and it's a massive IF it were to be true, we'd better sign Tammy as well as the level of service Ollie will get from Jack on the left and Buendia on the right, he'll be knackered scoring so many and that's without finding a replacement for Barkley.

Right now I'm desperately trying not to get carried away but Buendia really would be an excellent signing even at £35m and I'm sure the club are doing everything to make it happen. Everything crossed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
Some journo on twitter is saying we're now favourites to sign Buendia.
https://twitter.com/clmerlo/status/1401191375689879557?s=21

Emiliano Buendia, one step away from Aston Villa. The operation is well advanced and will be done at a figure close to 35 million euros. Arsenal, who also wanted him, never made an official offer to Norwich.

I'd love it to be right Danno but looking at that the profile of his account, it doesn't give me much confidence he has the sources.
If and it's a massive IF it were to be true, we'd better sign Tammy as well as the level of service Ollie will get from Jack on the left and Buendia on the right, he'll be knackered scoring so many and that's without finding a replacement for Barkley.

Right now I'm desperately trying not to get carried away but Buendia really would be an excellent signing even at £35m and I'm sure the club are doing everything to make it happen. Everything crossed.

The Mirror (and Nursey) is starting to make similar noises too. So maybe a little more body to the smoke I hope.

https://twitter.com/jamesnursey/status/1401212703927058435?s=21

From the Independent now

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/aston-villa-norwich-villa-arsenal-villa-park-b1860296.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on June 05, 2021, 05:31:18 PM
Percy reckons he’s agreed personal terms and undergone a medical in Argentina. Buendia, not Percy. Obviously.
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Post by: Smirker on June 05, 2021, 05:31:20 PM
Percy has confirmed it.

Get the player thread up.
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Post by: Matt C on June 05, 2021, 05:31:20 PM
£30m and already done his medical - being reported widely now, including by John Percy
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Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2021, 05:32:33 PM
Looks like it's happening
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
30m is …...ok.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
£30m and already done his medical - being reported widely now, including by John Percy

OMG! Just read it. Speechless!
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Post by: john e on June 05, 2021, 05:36:34 PM
Percy reckons he’s agreed personal terms and undergone a medical in Argentina. Buendia, not Percy. Obviously.
r



Flippin eck,  now we're talking
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2021, 05:37:12 PM
Well done agent Emi on recruiting erm…Emi
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Post by: Matt C on June 05, 2021, 05:37:23 PM
We really don’t mess about any more do we.
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Post by: CT on June 05, 2021, 05:37:52 PM
Hope Mr Martinez took a shirt with him so our new boy can stretch it!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
Hope Mr Martinez took a shirt with him so our new boy can stretch it!!

Haha!
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 05, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
I need some official confirmation before I start another Emi Buendia thread.
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Post by: jwarry on June 05, 2021, 05:41:24 PM
Wow if true we are now going to frighten a few people.  Of course the Citeh’s and the Chelski’s can’t complain as they did it to everyone else but I imagine the Liverpool’s Manu U’s Arses are going to get agitated
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Post by: darren woolley on June 05, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
£30m and already done his medical - being reported widely now, including by John Percy

OMG! Just read it. Speechless!

I know I was like that when I heard the news.
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Post by: oldtimernow on June 05, 2021, 08:12:50 PM
BBC have it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57371870
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Post by: danno on June 05, 2021, 08:17:29 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but were apparently looking at Josh Feeney from Fleetwood Town. Central defender and captain of England U16's.
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Post by: Des Little on June 05, 2021, 10:44:44 PM
Great signing, this one. I hope there’s a striker coming in this summer too, mind you...
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Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2021, 10:55:35 PM
I would still like Pereira here. I reckon as beggars can't be choosers they would rip our hand off at £20M. 
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Post by: Des Little on June 05, 2021, 10:57:11 PM
I’d have thought Pereira would be a good bet for Naarich given today’s developments
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Post by: pelty on June 06, 2021, 01:02:39 AM
Really feel as though we need one or two players of class on the wings. Traore and AEG are not good enough to take us where we need to go in my opinion.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 06, 2021, 06:56:30 AM
Whether it's happening or not, my continued mild obsession with reading Norwich forum (Pink un for anybody interested) has just got more amusing.
time to have a butchers….
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 06, 2021, 10:58:05 AM
Percy has confirmed it.

Get the player thread up.
taken time out from writing the next book?
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Post by: Moonraker on June 06, 2021, 11:08:34 AM
I had a look at your post on Pink Un Ads. Seemed perfect to me, but most of their responses show just how much they didnt want Emi to go, and how much more they think he was worth. Bit on their forum on YouTube saying they wouldnt have got 2 promotions without him, so they had £100m of value. The other bit of interest was that he was responsible for 42% of their goals last season with his goals and assists.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 06, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham

Traore.
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Post by: Ian. on June 06, 2021, 11:57:05 AM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham

A further forward on form SJM? Not the sitting deep constrained version.
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 06, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham

A further forward on form SJM? Not the sitting deep constrained version.

This.  McGinn is best in and around the opponent's box, let him spend more time there!  His deep lying role was a matter of neccesity this season let's hope that's not the case next year.  Is Makele fit?
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Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2021, 12:25:12 PM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham

I think you can probably give Grealish and Buendia mostly free roles where they play left and right respectively but just wander in to space. Get McGinn, Luiz and the new defensive enforcer in behind and we'll be in a good place. With neither being wingers you'd need the 3 behind to be happy drifting and helping out the fullbacks at times but both work hard enough to, along with Watkins, keep up the high press and try to win possession up the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 06, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Whether it's happening or not, my continued mild obsession with reading Norwich forum (Pink un for anybody interested) has just got more amusing.
time to have a butchers….



villa fan in peace got told to do one first reply , maybe too soon 🤔
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 06, 2021, 12:53:50 PM
Looking at his heat maps, if Jack plays left, he plays right. You still need a class attacking central mid that can get a few goals. Soucek style at West Ham

A further forward on form SJM? Not the sitting deep constrained version.

This.  McGinn is best in and around the opponent's box, let him spend more time there!  His deep lying role was a matter of neccesity this season let's hope that's not the case next year.  Is Makele fit?

Yep, McGinn with Sanson as back up for the attacking midfielder role next season, with a midfield enforcer type being brought in alongside Luiz. 

See how that goes and if we need better quality in that position then hopefully we will be in a position next January / summer that we will only need one purchase and we could go really big on that.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
I had a look at your post on Pink Un Ads. Seemed perfect to me, but most of their responses show just how much they didnt want Emi to go, and how much more they think he was worth. Bit on their forum on YouTube saying they wouldnt have got 2 promotions without him, so they had £100m of value. The other bit of interest was that he was responsible for 42% of their goals last season with his goals and assists.

Responsible for 42 per cent of their goals.  But also has one of the highest interceptions/ challenges won stats in that league as well. Not characteristics you'd readily associate with a winger or a midfielder in a more advanced/ attacking role.

Suggests he has a bit of spikiness to his game as well. So even on days when the more attractive stuff isn't coming off (and those kind of players will have days like that) he won't be a passenger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 06, 2021, 01:10:17 PM
Guardian now saying we're in for Ward-Prowse...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2021, 01:11:59 PM
I had a look at your post on Pink Un Ads. Seemed perfect to me, but most of their responses show just how much they didnt want Emi to go, and how much more they think he was worth. Bit on their forum on YouTube saying they wouldnt have got 2 promotions without him, so they had £100m of value. The other bit of interest was that he was responsible for 42% of their goals last season with his goals and assists.

Responsible for 42 per cent of their goals.  But also has one of the highest interceptions/ challenges won stats in that league as well. Not characteristics you'd readily associate with a winger or a midfielder in a more advanced/ attacking role.

Suggests he has a bit of spikiness to his game as well. So even on days when the more attractive stuff isn't coming off (and those kind of players will have days like that) he won't be a passenger.

If you read (the admittedly rather long) article I posted, it discusses a spikiness a will to win and to chase a lost cause.. Perfect attitude.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
Guardian now saying we're in for Ward-Prowse...

Ooh......

That would be a proper statement. He's a good player, you'd imagine they'd want a fortune, but that doesn't seem to be a problem these days.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on June 06, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
James Ward Prowse next target according to the Guardian
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Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2021, 01:15:29 PM
He'll end up with about 25 goals from direct free kicks playing with Jack and Buendia.

I'm going to end up spending most of the summer trawling other clubs message boards laughing at their outrage at this rate.
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Post by: Smirker on June 06, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
This thread is absolute porn.
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 01:17:16 PM
Guardian now saying we're in for Ward-Prowse...

Ooh......

That would be a proper statement. He's a good player, you'd imagine they'd want a fortune, but that doesn't seem to be a problem these days.

Their captain, and he signed a new contract with them at the same time Grealish did.
I think he'd be really good for us.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2021, 01:17:21 PM
I'm not sure about JWP.  He'd cost £40m or so and I'd rather we put that money into a beast of a DM.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 01:20:48 PM
James Ward Prowse next target according to the Guardian

He's their captain and on the fringes of the England squad.

Unlike Norwich they don't need to sell. So unless there is some sort of buyout clause or whatever the money it would take is likely to be obscene. Even by regular football standards.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 06, 2021, 01:22:29 PM
JWP is great from set-plays - but so is Hourihane. What I've seen from JWP doesn't suggest to me he's a £30mil improvement on Hourihane.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 06, 2021, 01:30:55 PM
So are signing anybody who had a good game against us in the past couple of years? Surprised we didn’t sign Aguero!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2021, 01:33:26 PM
JWP is great from set-plays - but so is Hourihane. What I've seen from JWP doesn't suggest to me he's a £30mil improvement on Hourihane.

He leads the Southampton press very well. He’s much better than just a set piece taker, although set pieces alone would be a massive enhancement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Very underrated player. Hard worker, excellent leader. The attention goes exclusively on his set pieces for obvious reasons but what a super signing thus would be. And Jack’s little comment the other day of us not having good set piece takers…hint?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 01:36:37 PM
JWP is great from set-plays - but so is Hourihane. What I've seen from JWP doesn't suggest to me he's a £30mil improvement on Hourihane.

I can't really comment on the value for money aspect. But I do know that Southampton play a pressing style of play and that JWP covers as much (if not more) ground per game as his team mates and that he played every game last season.
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His energy in midfield means he can play in a two, through being able to get up and down the pitch to keep up with play. He is also suited to Hasenhüttl’s pressing game, supporting the front four’s press and getting himself into a position to pounce on any passes into midfield if the opposition manage to beat the first line of Southampton’s press. His reading of the game and anticipation means he is suited to that role, following up the press and ready to sweep up passes that are misplaced as a result of the pressure their attackers put on defenders. He is consistently among the very best in the Premier League for recoveries – the total number of times a player regains possession – largely due to the fact he is so regularly in the right place at the right time to collect a loose ball.
https://www.coachesvoice.com/james-ward-prowse-southampton-ralph-hasenhuttl/


The set pieces are just a bonus.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 06, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
Guardian now saying we're in for Ward-Prowse...
Oh my. This could be an excellent summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 01:39:05 PM
Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 06, 2021, 01:47:40 PM
JWP is great from set-plays - but so is Hourihane. What I've seen from JWP doesn't suggest to me he's a £30mil improvement on Hourihane.

He leads the Southampton press very well. He’s much better than just a set piece taker, although set pieces alone would be a massive enhancement.
This. I was unconvinced by JWP, but I decided to pay more attention and I spoke to a Saints supporting mate that is also a coach for a level 5 league side (so some understanding of the game) and I've changed my mind.

Clearly he is not a 'beast' in terms of physical presence, but he is intelligent player, has quality on the ball, bags of energy, and is a leader. It strikes me that a real strength is that he recognises what his team needs in a game and is capable of providing that.

Obviously I don't want us to pay too much for anyone, but I'd be happy if we sign JWP.

Other than Watkins (for obvious reasons) he would be the player I would add to the England Euros squad given the injury to TAA.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2021, 01:48:41 PM
Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.

If you just consider how many games Jack missed last season, how many extra points would that have got us? He missed 13 games. Even being conservative that’s worth an extra 8-10 points which puts us in Europa League territory. And that’s before you add in the signing we have made, the ones we hope to make and the improvements of the current squad. Of course the sides above us and around us won’t stand still, but what I hope this does is make us that much more certain (in the positive sense of course) and less volatile or inconsistent as a team week in week out.
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Post by: algy on June 06, 2021, 01:49:07 PM
Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.
Plus there's Buendia also likely to take attention away from Jack & get us even more free kicks.

Better renew me passport for 2022.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.

It would be a nightmare for opposition managers.

"Follow Grealish around and kick him lads, don't let him play.'"

"Also, don't give away free kicks in our third of the pitch, cos of Ward Prowse."

"Oh fuck."
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 06, 2021, 01:59:13 PM
You love to see it… I called for JWP weeks ago on here! Dean’s obviously listening in! Our goals for column has just gone up +10 with added free kick goals if this comes off! 😉
Tammy next please!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 01:59:59 PM
My preference too would be for a more physical presence in the middle of the park.

Think Palarse away: One of the worst sides in the division could play through us at will in the second half.  As per Sheff U away and a few other horror shows.

Marvelous has his limitations, but even with those, we looked better when he came in at the tail end of the season to fortify that area.

That said, a Ward-Prowse (or another player of that ilk) if they are intelligent enough and work well enough with Luiz and McGinn to keep the ball, winning it back isn't as big a priority.
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Post by: MalcolmP on June 06, 2021, 02:11:55 PM
England team next world cup

A N Other
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Ward Prowse   Chukwuemeka Grealish
Bidace Watkins Barry
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 06, 2021, 02:54:14 PM
Gaz Baz
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2021, 02:56:08 PM
We need cover at LB. I know he might be headed to Leicester from some reports but I’d happily bring back Bertrand on a free to back up Matty.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2021, 02:58:18 PM
You love to see it… I called for JWP weeks ago on here! Dean’s obviously listening in! Our goals for column has just gone up +10 with added free kick goals if this comes off! 😉
Tammy next please!

The balls are tingling again...

We’re getting to the point now where very good players we are linked with may be looking at Grealish, Watkins, Buendia etc and thinking ‘I’d love to go there’.
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2021, 02:59:15 PM
Can we swoop for Danny Ings while we're at it?
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Post by: robleflaneur on June 06, 2021, 03:05:28 PM
England team next world cup

A N Other
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Ward Prowse   Chukwuemeka Grealish
Bidace Watkins Barry
Plain silly.First pick one of the Ramseys for CM ,Grealish in Bidace's position and have the confidence to play Steer who has rarely let us down.
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Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 03:11:22 PM
A quick look at a Saints forum and they're much nicer than Norwich. They generally don't think they'll sell JWP to us, but they're not dicks about it.

Everyone is pretty convinced that Jack is off though,and I'll say it again - the owners must realise that the message selling Jack would send would be absolutely terrible. If we mean business, then we can't play against Jack Grealish in the Premier League.
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Post by: Risso on June 06, 2021, 03:12:57 PM
Hmmm, Grealish’s comments about nobody being able to take a free kick at Villa now look knowingly brilliant! Good work agents Martinez and Grealish!
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Post by: IFWaters on June 06, 2021, 03:58:23 PM
Hey Jude, dont be so sad
You played for a sad club, you can do better
Remember to let us into your heart
Then you can start, to play for Villa

Villa Villa Villa Villa

Na na na nah na na na nah Hey Jude


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 04:01:19 PM
One of Smith's strengths is that he gives off the vibe it's a collaboration with him/ the coaching staff and the players.

His own playing record was nothing to shout about (in keeping with many other decent managers) so he knows he's probably not going to get much mileage out of wanking on about Dortmund or calling the players cxnts (as Lamberk often did according to Benteke and a few others).

It's quite possible that he'd speak to Grealish and the other senior players about what we need. Traditionally I'm not sure that would've been too common jn English football. But so long as the players don't take the piss, why not.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2021, 04:09:17 PM
I'd like to think it's not taken a hint from Grealish to enlighten our staff to the shiteness of our free kicks!
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Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 04:12:25 PM
Aye. I'm sure Smudger isn't so dim that he hadn't noticed.

But if he's had informal chats about having a word with Prowse (or others) when Grealish and Mings are on international duty no harm.

That's what Gerrard and co did to our better players years back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 06, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
Didn’t Grealish mention that Villa didn’t have a decent set piece player just the other day? Maybe he was hinting at the Ward-Prowse signing??
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Post by: frank black on June 06, 2021, 04:41:38 PM
Didn’t Grealish mention that Villa didn’t have a decent set piece player just the other day? Maybe he was hinting at the Ward-Prowse signing??

More likely they press thought up an easy link.
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2021, 05:48:50 PM
It's the Guardian, they don't usually do full stories on rumours. Paul Doyle, the writer, has interviewed Dean and Villa players pretty regularly in recent years so he's got some clout.
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Post by: OCD on June 06, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
It's not Percy reporting it though.
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Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 06:21:14 PM
Graun writers basically never put their byline on some made-up bollocks though.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2021, 06:25:00 PM
The broadsheets are usually fairly reliable. There must be at least something in it.
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Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2021, 06:36:13 PM
It's not Percy reporting it though.

After Percy, Doyle is solid. Reluctant to say the same about ReluctantNicko Nixon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2021, 06:50:15 PM
Just had a look at that Guardian article and they've quoted Smith as saying "“In terms of our recruitment, we talk about the sweet spots that we’re looking for...which is that the players have Premier League experience and are [ideally] British because there is no adaptation risk at all.”

Where does Sanson fall into that?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
Just had a look at that Guardian article and they've quoted Smith as saying "“In terms of our recruitment, we talk about the sweet spots that we’re looking for...which is that the players have Premier League experience and are [ideally] British because there is no adaptation risk at all.”

Where does Sanson fall into that?

I don't think he does, I think his may be a short stay. Arsenal are looking, maybe we could rinse them again?
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 07:29:15 PM
Just had a look at that Guardian article and they've quoted Smith as saying "“In terms of our recruitment, we talk about the sweet spots that we’re looking for...which is that the players have Premier League experience and are [ideally] British because there is no adaptation risk at all.”

Where does Sanson fall into that?

Isn't Dean talking specifically about what we're looking for in this window?  That's how I read it anyway.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2021, 07:41:34 PM
Just had a look at that Guardian article and they've quoted Smith as saying "“In terms of our recruitment, we talk about the sweet spots that we’re looking for...which is that the players have Premier League experience and are [ideally] British because there is no adaptation risk at all.”

Where does Sanson fall into that?

He falls into the last transfer window doesn’t he?

Where do Wesley, Trezeguet, Doug, Watkins, Konsa, Cash, Martinez, fall into that?
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Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 07:58:25 PM
Yep, it's just about this window I think. These aren't MONish little islanders, they just have a specific focus for what the team needs.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
Yep, it's just about this window I think. These aren't MONish little islanders, they just have a specific focus for what the team needs.

Reminds me of that question to MON about whether we were interested in Radamel Falcao, "No, ha ha, I think we'll be shopping a little closer to home".

Cue signing Emile Heskey, aged 31, on a 3.5 year contract as highest paid player at the club.

If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

92 appearances, 9 goals, sat out his contract.

I seem to remember him being revealed on here (by someone who would know) as having been on 65k a week.

That's £11,830,000 - add in NI, thats about £13.5m cost to the club, and that doesn't involve win bonuses.

Add in the transfer fee of 3.5m, and that is at the very least £17m he cost us.

£1.9m a goal.

And I remember on here there were plenty of people finding excuses for a signing like that.


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Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
Yep, it's just about this window I think. These aren't MONish little islanders, they just have a specific focus for what the team needs.
Reminds me of that question to MON about whether we were interested in Radamel Falcao, "No, ha ha, I think we'll be shopping a little closer to home".
Cue signing Emile Heskey, aged 31, on a 3.5 year contract as highest paid player at the club.
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.
Well said, sir!
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 08:19:53 PM
Good shout mr walnuts. Honorary mentions to:

Replacing Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, (Darren Bent's main source of goals) with only one player. Said player?  Charles N'zogbia. A player who didn't like playing on the left wing and had played his best football in a free role up front for Wigan.

Shay Given on a FIVE year deal.

Ireland for Milner.
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Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2021, 08:37:13 PM
I had a little sympathy with the Ireland one(we got 20 odd million too) because Ireland had been a very decent goalscoring midfielder at City. He was just a complete bag of spanners for us.

The others are horror transfers. Nzogbia looked the mutts nuts for Wigan to be fair, but there was never any plan of how we were going to fit him into the side.

With Smith and villa now, you can see players being bought for a specific role in the side and how they would fit.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2021, 08:43:48 PM
Ireland, N'Zogbia etc, agreed, but they're post MON signings (err, I think).

For us the problem started during the MON period. Yes, yes, we were finishing sixth and it was very nice, but even when throwing huge sums of money at it, Lerner made no effort to assume it was spent sensibly, beyond MON, a manager who bought everyone but two of his signings from the UK, and even one of those was only because he was offered him (Carew) in a swap deal.

So much money pissed away, with the default settings being that we'd never bother selling players unless they were the really good ones everyone wanted, all the others, we'd just let them see out their contracts and not use them.

Luke Young, Habib Beye, Zat Knight, Heskey, NRC, Shorey, all these players costing around 5-8m, lots of money at the time.

Sign them, see them in training, decide you don't fancy them, let them sitting around banking 40k a week for the next three years.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2021, 08:45:19 PM
Harewood, Marlon Fucking Harewood.

Anyway, I'll stop now, sensible but ambitious times are here.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 06, 2021, 08:46:59 PM
That's a list missing a MFH. edit: ah you remembered.. 8)
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 08:48:58 PM
If it's MON only, it's gotta be Cahill out Zat Knight in.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 06, 2021, 08:51:33 PM
Always felt some sympathy for Luke Young, he should have played more often but from what I recall that dinosaur prick would always prefer to stick either a centre-half (usually Cuellar) or Craig fucking Gardner at RB.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 06, 2021, 09:01:44 PM
Always felt some sympathy for Luke Young, he should have played more often but from what I recall that dinosaur prick would always prefer to stick either a centre-half (usually Cuellar) or Craig fucking Gardner at RB.

Or Milner, Barry, Mellberg or NRC. While Luke Young would mostly play at LB, despite being a RB.

I wonder what percentage of his subs happened on around 75 minutes and involved Sidwell on and a shuffle around at RB.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 06, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
Always felt some sympathy for Luke Young, he should have played more often but from what I recall that dinosaur prick would always prefer to stick either a centre-half (usually Cuellar) or Craig fucking Gardner at RB.

Or Milner, Barry, Mellberg or NRC. While Luke Young would mostly play at LB, despite being a RB.

I wonder what percentage of his subs happened on around 75 minutes and involved Sidwell on and a shuffle around at RB.

Fairly sure Luke Young's first game at LB was that away day at Arsenal...why didn't Barry take the peno etc. MON gave up on Nickey Shorey fairly quickly, found out he was as slow as a snail. I think that move ruined Luke Young in the long term as he was a fine right back at his best.
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Post by: john2710 on June 06, 2021, 09:30:17 PM
The contrast with the previous owners & management team is clear as it could be. Specific players, with specific skills & traits to match the needs of the team. Calculated risks, where the odds of success are stacked in our favour. We’re doing our homework & whilst everything won’t be a success we’ll get it right more often than not.

Then tying down performers on long-term deals, whilst developing the next generation at a rate not seen in decades.

If you add in a little bit of luck, anything is possible.
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Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 09:31:22 PM
Always felt like MON was surprised at the existence of the right back position. Like he had picked his team without thinking about it, and at the last minute Robertson would stumble out of a cloud of tobacco smoke and slur 'but, boss, what eboot reet back?' and MON would think 'oh feck not again' and throw someone in on the fly.
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 09:38:31 PM
Mellberg at right back.  Still seems crazy all these years later.
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Post by: London Villan on June 06, 2021, 09:40:06 PM
Pacy, attack minded Olaf…

He’d have been better playing with Laursen at centre back.
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 09:41:14 PM
He did alright to be fair, but moving him to accommodate Curtis Davies. Well...
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2021, 09:42:43 PM
Lerner was utterly clueless and had no balls whatsoever. Anyone else would have been apoplectic at seeing their cash spunked away on stupid transfer fees and even more stupid wages for players whom O'Neill didn't appear to have watched before they arrived. And promptly decided he didn't like after about three games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2021, 09:47:18 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2021, 09:59:21 PM
I’d rather also that we don’t once again litigate the worse aspects of the MON/Lerner years at a time when the club is very much on the way back up. This feels absolutely great right now to be getting another excellent player and being linked with others as we climb our way back to footballing prominence and relevance. And we haven’t even won anything yet so hopefully there are loads of great times in front of us. Let’s keep this thread a happy place.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 10:00:45 PM


The others are horror transfers. Nzogbia looked the mutts nuts for Wigan to be fair, but there was never any plan of how we were going to fit him into the side.


Insomnia was a 1 good game in 5 player for Wigan even at his best.

More like 1 in 35 for us.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 06, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
Still, you could see MON's Moneybags reserve squad spearheading a successful Bruce Newcastle premiership survival bid if they were around now
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Post by: danno on June 06, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Are we going to sign some defenders this window?  Or is there a likely deputy for Targett already at the club?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2021, 10:08:58 PM
Just had a look at that Guardian article and they've quoted Smith as saying "“In terms of our recruitment, we talk about the sweet spots that we’re looking for...which is that the players have Premier League experience and are [ideally] British because there is no adaptation risk at all.”

Where does Sanson fall into that?

Yeah been injured and generally forgotten already so perhaps he's struggled to settle in and been to see DS about it hence this Ward Prowse interest?

Does seem we'd be overloaded with box to box midfielders if Ward Prowse is a genuine target and Sanson stays, perhaps Ramsey would go on season loan somewhere...infact I actually wouldn't be against including him for that type of loan in Norwich deal as they've had Skipp on loan from Spurs for the season but apparently he's going back so they are light on midfielders.

I'd still be surprised if we signed a midfield and even more if it's not a defensive midfielder (and then Luiz gets into the box to box mix aswell).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2021, 10:10:41 PM
It's the Guardian, they don't usually do full stories on rumours. Paul Doyle, the writer, has interviewed Dean and Villa players pretty regularly in recent years so he's got some clout.

Can randomly remember them linking us to Kieran Trippier this time last year so it's not always kosher.

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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2021, 10:13:58 PM
I had a little sympathy with the Ireland one(we got 20 odd million too) because Ireland had been a very decent goalscoring midfielder at City. He was just a complete bag of spanners for us.

The others are horror transfers. Nzogbia looked the mutts nuts for Wigan to be fair, but there was never any plan of how we were going to fit him into the side.

With Smith and villa now, you can see players being bought for a specific role in the side and how they would fit.

N'zog was just a vanity signing for McLeish, turned him down the previous summer at SHA.

I really thought Ireland would work but we'd just started playing Young at number 10 for some reason.

                        Petrov- Nrc

Downing----------Ireland--------Young

may have had more chance but pretty sure he said years later he never wanted to leave Man. City in first place so that was the problem.

Given couldn't dive properly after he bust his shoulder at Man. City so was shadow of keeper he was although made some crucial saves late on in 11/12 at least. 5 year contract was insanity though.
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Post by: not3bad on June 06, 2021, 10:14:32 PM
Are we going to sign some defenders this window?  Or is there a likely deputy for Targett already at the club?

I was wondering about that. I would have thought that will happen. I know we have a good young player at right back coming through but not heard of anyone at left back.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2021, 10:18:49 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.

Carew type is exactly the sort of signing I want us to make now tbh.

Attacking player respected all round europe and internationally and even if he was a bit of a journeyman by time we got him he'd already started a champions league final and played for top clubs in Italy, Spain and France. Was only 27 when he turned up here aswell.

I know there was a bit of luck in how we got him but he still signed and was the sort you knew would improve us. Joined us when we were about 13th and played a big part in our first two 6th place seasons.

Probably shows how well we're doing now that I'm not really blown away by signing Buendia or linked to Ward Prowse, want that signing that many clubs around europe will nod their heads at as happened with Carew and even Darren Bent although that didn't work out that well due to the direction club was going in at that point.
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Post by: Dave on June 06, 2021, 10:45:36 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.

Carew type is exactly the sort of signing I want us to make now tbh.

Completely agree. I'd even say a Nilis. An older attacker to get fifteen goals next year and teach Ollie to become a 25 goal striker, then 'x' gets 10 goals in year two and turns Barrie into the next Mbappe by watching him.   

Wissam Ben Yedder ticks the right boxes I reckon.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.

Carew type is exactly the sort of signing I want us to make now tbh.

Completely agree. I'd even say a Nilis. An older attacker to get fifteen goals next year and teach Ollie to become a 25 goal striker, then 'x' gets 10 goals in year two and turns Barrie into the next Mbappe by watching him.   

Wissam Ben Yedder ticks the right boxes I reckon.

I would love a Nilis type signing. You’re right, an experienced forward would be a great addition.
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Post by: Risso on June 06, 2021, 10:51:46 PM
Imagine Carew at his best for us playing with Jack Grealish.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
It would be great to have someone coming off the bench that had the opposition thinking "oh fuck, not him". As opposed to our own fans thinking it as was the case in much of the previous decade.
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Post by: Monty on June 06, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
Imagine Carew at his best for us playing with Jack Grealish.

Imagine Laursen and Mellberg in the box for Ward-Prowse's free kicks. Laursen would get double figures.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2021, 11:07:10 PM
Not quite in the same bracket as Carew, who only 28 when he joined us. But Mandzukic is a 'name' throughout Europe. Realistically he's now at an age where he couldn't be demanding to start every game and might help bring the younger players on.

For a player with those sort of miles on the clock it depends if they're simply after one last pay day. Or whether -like Terry - they're fired up by the challenge or have designs on a future coaching role.

At the opposite end of the spectrum a player like Eddie Nketiah could be one to work and grow with. Give Arsenal fans another chance to hate us. At £20 million it's nearly good value in a mad market.
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Post by: algy on June 06, 2021, 11:08:10 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.

Carew type is exactly the sort of signing I want us to make now tbh.

Completely agree. I'd even say a Nilis. An older attacker to get fifteen goals next year and teach Ollie to become a 25 goal striker, then 'x' gets 10 goals in year two and turns Barrie into the next Mbappe by watching him.   

Wissam Ben Yedder ticks the right boxes I reckon.
Do we need someone to "teach" Ollie Watkins that tho. First Premier League season and he's score 14 and hit the woodwork another 7 times, when our main creative player (JG) has been out for a third of the season and our next most creative player (RB) inexplicably decided to wear that pair of lead boots he'd been given by Great Aunt Ada for Christmas. With Buendia coming in, I'd think there's a pretty good chance of him getting 20+ goals next season in any case.

Just don't see that sort of signing to be the sort of thing we'd be likely to do at the moment. And having Jack at the club & happy is a bigger statement than any signing. A good euros & world cup and he'll be the biggest name player there is.
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Post by: Dave on June 06, 2021, 11:14:58 PM
If there's one single clear example of the fuckwittedness of Lerner, and hopefully the contrast with NSWE, it's that signing.

To play devil's advocate (and I note the "hopefully"), right now feels like the Young / Carew time. You can virtually plot the Young / Buendia similarities on a graph. 

It's all great, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about. It just feels a bit premature to compare the worst of other eras to the very good of now, when there were also good times in the recent past that might be better comparisons.

Carew type is exactly the sort of signing I want us to make now tbh.

Completely agree. I'd even say a Nilis. An older attacker to get fifteen goals next year and teach Ollie to become a 25 goal striker, then 'x' gets 10 goals in year two and turns Barrie into the next Mbappe by watching him.   

Wissam Ben Yedder ticks the right boxes I reckon.
Do we need someone to "teach" Ollie Watkins that tho. First Premier League season and he's score 14 and hit the woodwork another 7 times, when our main creative player (JG) has been out for a third of the season and our next most creative player (RB) inexplicably decided to wear that pair of lead boots he'd been given by Great Aunt Ada for Christmas.

Yes. Help him to turn seven shots against the post into seven more goals for a start.

I'd say that there isn't a single 25 year old footballer on the planet who has nothing to learn from someone else or something they could improve.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2021, 11:42:15 PM
You need the sort of person let alone player that will shed their own ego and take a young promising footballer under their wing so to speak. They know where they are in their career and now see themselves as a passer of a torch. There’s not a lot of those players around anymore. I imagine Giroud at Chelsea provides that given he just renewed his contract. Or Cavani at Man U where he doesn’t play each week but is brilliant when he does, but his attitude and work ethic rubs off on other forwards. Same with Aguero while he was at Man City.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 06, 2021, 11:53:53 PM
Do we need someone to "teach" Ollie Watkins that tho. First Premier League season and he's score 14 and hit the woodwork another 7 times, when our main creative player (JG) has been out for a third of the season and our next most creative player (RB) inexplicably decided to wear that pair of lead boots he'd been given by Great Aunt Ada for Christmas. With Buendia coming in, I'd think there's a pretty good chance of him getting 20+ goals next season in any case.

I had a quick look through the online bookies to see if I could stick some money on Watkins scoring 20 or more league goals next season. Free money if he avoids a lengthy spell out, I reckon.
Over forty years wait for that in the top flight, ffs. Gotta happen now.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2021, 12:09:14 AM
Ollie is great but I still think he lacks a bit of confidence one v one sometimes...hesitates a little and can remember chances going begging v likes of Everton and West Brom when he just had the keeper to beat.

He showed post January he's very good making runs to meet crosses so we have to improve our general crossing and he could get another 4-5 goals that way when you consider VAR robbed him of a couple.

It's more that player to bring off the bench after 60 minutes that quickly gets the pace of the game and is a scoring threat. We did only gain 5 points from losing positions after all last season so it is an issue if we want to keep moving up the table as can't rely on the starting 11 for every single game.

Guess short term plan with what we're signing is AEG and Traore to be impact subs on the hour and perhaps one of the regular CMs aswell if we're signing another, McGinn would be fantastic to throw on for last 25 minutes if we're leading a game 1-0 for example. Given how tired he can get from 70 minutes onwards we need to get out of this mindset of thinking he has to play every minute of every game, it's o.k to rest him from time to time.

Potential bench for next season:

Steer/keeper
Hause
new fullback
Sanson/Mcginn/Carney
El Ghazi
Traore
new CF
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Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 12:27:34 AM
Ollie is great but I still think he lacks a bit of confidence one v one sometimes...hesitates a little and can remember chances going begging v likes of Everton and West Brom when he just had the keeper to beat.

He showed post January he's very good making runs to meet crosses so we have to improve our general crossing and he could get another 4-5 goals that way when you consider VAR robbed him of a couple.

It's more that player to bring off the bench after 60 minutes that quickly gets the pace of the game and is a scoring threat. We did only gain 5 points from losing positions after all last season so it is an issue if we want to keep moving up the table as can't rely on the starting 11 for every single game.

Guess short term plan with what we're signing is AEG and Traore to be impact subs on the hour and perhaps one of the regular CMs aswell if we're signing another, McGinn would be fantastic to throw on for last 25 minutes if we're leading a game 1-0 for example. Given how tired he can get from 70 minutes onwards we need to get out of this mindset of thinking he has to play every minute of every game, it's o.k to rest him from time to time.

Potential bench for next season:

Steer/keeper
Hause
new fullback
Sanson/Mcginn/Carney
El Ghazi
Traore
new CF

Isn't the 9 subs a permanent change? the concussion subs are so I can't imagine the extra spots on the bench aren't staying.

On that basis my bench would be keeper, 2 defenders, 3midfielders/wingers, 1 striker and 2 youngsters.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
No idea Paul, I think it only came in this season because likes of Pep and Klopp were moaning every week about the fixtures so it was a concession for them not getting 5 subs.

Yeah if it stays then you can get likes of Carney, Kesler and perhaps even Louie Barry regularly involved on matchday that way.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 07, 2021, 01:31:03 AM
Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.

If you just consider how many games Jack missed last season, how many extra points would that have got us? He missed 13 games. Even being conservative that’s worth an extra 8-10 points which puts us in Europa League territory. And that’s before you add in the signing we have made, the ones we hope to make and the improvements of the current squad. Of course the sides above us and around us won’t stand still, but what I hope this does is make us that much more certain (in the positive sense of course) and less volatile or inconsistent as a team week in week out.

Imagine if we keep Jack and sign JWP. The goals from free kicks alone would get us top 7.

If you just consider how many games Jack missed last season, how many extra points would that have got us? He missed 13 games. Even being conservative that’s worth an extra 8-10 points which puts us in Europa League territory. And that’s before you add in the signing we have made, the ones we hope to make and the improvements of the current squad. Of course the sides above us and around us won’t stand still, but what I hope this does is make us that much more certain (in the positive sense of course) and less volatile or inconsistent as a team week in week out.

Spreading the skill, creativity and danger in attack more evenly. There's been too much reliance on Jack's extraordinary ability so far and it's knackered him, but this kind of progress will help to liberate Jack. From what I've read JWP is a decent holding midfielder as well so has real versatility. I'm really liking the way this seems to be coming together. What with Buendia as well it's looking great! Hope it happens, hope there's more to come!

Utv.
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Post by: Des Little on June 07, 2021, 07:53:43 AM
Sounds like JWP isn’t in the 26...let’s go Villa
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Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 08:38:33 AM
No idea Paul, I think it only came in this season because likes of Pep and Klopp were moaning every week about the fixtures so it was a concession for them not getting 5 subs.

Yeah if it stays then you can get likes of Carney, Kesler and perhaps even Louie Barry regularly involved on matchday that way.

I've had a look and can't see anything to suggest that it was temporary. It was announced at the same time as the 'up to 2 additional subs for concussions' change came in and that one will be permanent so I assume they're part of the same package. I may be wrong but I like 9 on the bench but only being able to use 3. Personally I'd like them to stipulate that 2 of them have to be development (U23) players but I can see teams complaining if they did that.
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Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Sorry to go back again, but any time Mellberg at Right Back is mentioned I just think of our way of getting out of defence... ball to Mellberg and... Hoof...
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Post by: nigel on June 07, 2021, 08:55:43 AM
I’m pretty sure Mellburg played right back for Sweden, when they had a bit of a golden spell.
Very quick for a big chap.
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Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 09:04:18 AM
Mellberg could play right back, he read the game well from there and did his job in defence without any problems, the issue was that he added nothing in the opposition half. Even then that was a huge limitation for a full back.
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 07, 2021, 09:05:08 AM
It seems the buendia deal is just waiting for Wednesday to be officially announced and the Ward Prowse one not as far advanced, so obviously scope for it to be derailed. I like the look of JWP though. Similar to Hourihane with his set piece delivery, but with added bite when we’d be up against it. Captain too so obviously a leader. If these two deals come off I’d be happy even if we didn’t sign another player. Anything else happening would be a bonus I think.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 07, 2021, 09:06:57 AM
A few stories circulating that Kodjia may be going to Sheffield United. He was so good for us in his first season.
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Post by: johnc on June 07, 2021, 09:10:59 AM
Not quite in the same bracket as Carew, who only 28 when he joined us. But Mandzukic is a 'name' throughout Europe. Realistically he's now at an age where he couldn't be demanding to start every game and might help bring the younger players on.

For a player with those sort of miles on the clock it depends if they're simply after one last pay day. Or whether -like Terry - they're fired up by the challenge or have designs on a future coaching role.

At the opposite end of the spectrum a player like Eddie Nketiah could be one to work and grow with. Give Arsenal fans another chance to hate us. At £20 million it's nearly good value in a mad market.
Mandzukic would be fantastic
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 07, 2021, 09:16:04 AM
We need cover in defence because any injury to our back 4 and we're threadbare. I'd like a keeper in because Martinez was one of our main contributors to the improvement last season. Shouldn't be too hard to get an experienced old hand in. And of course cover up front for Watkins. I'd need to know he's fully recovered before trusting on Wesley next season, and even then the jury is still out
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 09:25:16 AM
No need for a keeper, Steer is good enough to be backup and Sinisalo has just had a very good season on loan in Scotland and should be considered as 3rd choice for now. In defence the only gap is at left back. We have a couple of decent young players there now in Seb Revan and Ben Chrisene but neither would be ready to start a run of games if Targett was out and whilst Hause is good as cover in a game I wouldn't want him starting either. If Engels or Guilbert are sold then they'd need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: itbrvilla on June 07, 2021, 09:33:46 AM
Whilst it's great to have such a young team with a lot of growth potential, I can't but feel we need an experienced head in the middle of the park. Each of our MFs are good in their own way but it is still a major problem for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 07, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
It seems the buendia deal is just waiting for Wednesday to be officially announced and the Ward Prowse one not as far advanced, so obviously scope for it to be derailed. I like the look of JWP though. Similar to Hourihane with his set piece delivery, but with added bite when we’d be up against it. Captain too so obviously a leader. If these two deals come off I’d be happy even if we didn’t sign another player. Anything else happening would be a bonus I think.
Yeah, similar boat for me.  I would be properly chuffed if we signed Ward-Prowse - seems a really obvious counterpart to having Grealish in the team.  You give Jack too much space and he'll destroy you, you press him too hard and you have to deal with Ward-Prowse's set pieces.  Plus, as others have said, he's a leader and a pretty tidy holding midfielder ... would probably allow SJM to play further up the pitch and get back to doing John McGinn things week in, week out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 07, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
I don't want to sound like Tony Pulis, but I think we will still be a bit small as a team.

Only really Martinez and Mings with any great height. Bert is tall, but dreadful in the air.

Just could see us beating Arsenal again and coming unstuck against teams like Burnley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2021, 10:09:49 AM
I like the look of Ward Prouse, but do wonder if Sansom is going to end up being another Berson (rarely plays then leaves quickly). If we were to brong himm in I would have thought one of Luiz/Nakamba/Sanson would go else we are looking overloaded.

Think we need cover at left back, but fine at centre back unless Engels goes.

Seen us linked again with Rashica,  can see that happening as will be a lower fee than last season. That would cover for losing Trez, and Buendia replaces Barkely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Buendia replaces Barkely.

That would be a strange move considering he's never played in a central position. I hope he's a right side Jack. Plus a big part of his game is tracking back, something Matty Cash will be delighted to see.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 07, 2021, 10:53:07 AM
No need for a keeper, Steer is good enough to be backup and Sinisalo has just had a very good season on loan in Scotland and should be considered as 3rd choice for now. In defence the only gap is at left back. We have a couple of decent young players there now in Seb Revan and Ben Chrisene but neither would be ready to start a run of games if Targett was out and whilst Hause is good as cover in a game I wouldn't want him starting either. If Engels or Guilbert are sold then they'd need to be replaced.

I like Steer but we all know the "safe" feeling we get with Martinez. I'd like a experienced old hand personally. Cover for right back? Elmo was preferred to Guilbert so I don't see him as good enough. Better than Elmo doesn't seem to be asking the world with  due apologies to him. Engels a year not playing? Youth players are great but they're always inconsistent so do you want to rely on them if a konsa or mings gets crocked in Feb? Or both? Part of aiming for top 6 is having a squad that can cope with it imo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 11:03:56 AM
Buendia replaces Barkely.

That would be a strange move considering he's never played in a central position. I hope he's a right side Jack. Plus a big part of his game is tracking back, something Matty Cash will be delighted to see.

Perhaps Traore replaces Barkley. And Buendia replaces him.

Or Grealish replaces Barkley etc etc.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 11:04:28 AM
Oh, and £30m bid for Ward-Prowse....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 07, 2021, 11:05:05 AM
Buendia replaces Barkely.

That would be a strange move considering he's never played in a central position. I hope he's a right side Jack. Plus a big part of his game is tracking back, something Matty Cash will be delighted to see.

Perhaps Traore replaces Barkley. And Buendia replaces him.


That would be my preference.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2021, 11:09:10 AM
Grealish, Buendia and Traore in the same team is gonna be football porn.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 11:26:35 AM
I like the look of Ward Prouse, but do wonder if Sansom is going to end up being another Berson (rarely plays then leaves quickly). If we were to brong himm in I would have thought one of Luiz/Nakamba/Sanson would go else we are looking overloaded.

Think we need cover at left back, but fine at centre back unless Engels goes.

Seen us linked again with Rashica,  can see that happening as will be a lower fee than last season. That would cover for losing Trez, and Buendia replaces Barkely.

I'm not sure how you can think we'd be overloaded in central midfield.

In a 25 man squad you'd normally want 2 players for every position, an extra keeper an extra striker and 1 wild card who can hopefully cover a few positions.

Given we play 3 in midfield we really should have 6 players there and right now we have 4 (McGinn, Luiz, Nakamba and Sanson). With Ramsey pretty established and Chuk coming through I'm fine with them taking the 6th spot but that still means we need another in there.

Buendia is definitely coming in to play wide right not centrally.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2021, 11:47:35 AM
I like the look of Ward Prouse, but do wonder if Sansom is going to end up being another Berson (rarely plays then leaves quickly). If we were to brong himm in I would have thought one of Luiz/Nakamba/Sanson would go else we are looking overloaded.

Think we need cover at left back, but fine at centre back unless Engels goes.

Seen us linked again with Rashica,  can see that happening as will be a lower fee than last season. That would cover for losing Trez, and Buendia replaces Barkely.

I'm not sure how you can think we'd be overloaded in central midfield.

In a 25 man squad you'd normally want 2 players for every position, an extra keeper an extra striker and 1 wild card who can hopefully cover a few positions.

Given we play 3 in midfield we really should have 6 players there and right now we have 4 (McGinn, Luiz, Nakamba and Sanson). With Ramsey pretty established and Chuk coming through I'm fine with them taking the 6th spot but that still means we need another in there.

Buendia is definitely coming in to play wide right not centrally.

For the record, neither Ramsey or Chuck count towards our squad limit of 25 players.  U21 players can be used in unlimited numbers.  I'm not saying they shouldn't be counted as first-team options, just that buying another central midfielder doesn't 'take' a squad place from them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 07, 2021, 11:55:12 AM
No need for a keeper, Steer is good enough to be backup and Sinisalo has just had a very good season on loan in Scotland and should be considered as 3rd choice for now. In defence the only gap is at left back. We have a couple of decent young players there now in Seb Revan and Ben Chrisene but neither would be ready to start a run of games if Targett was out and whilst Hause is good as cover in a game I wouldn't want him starting either. If Engels or Guilbert are sold then they'd need to be replaced.

I like Steer but we all know the "safe" feeling we get with Martinez. I'd like a experienced old hand personally. Cover for right back? Elmo was preferred to Guilbert so I don't see him as good enough. Better than Elmo doesn't seem to be asking the world with  due apologies to him. Engels a year not playing? Youth players are great but they're always inconsistent so do you want to rely on them if a konsa or mings gets crocked in Feb? Or both? Part of aiming for top 6 is having a squad that can cope with it imo.

My only concern with having Steer as backup is his injury record - for a keeper he has had a lot of long-term injuries, and that is probably the main reason he hasn't held down a number 1 gig here or elsewhere. Put it this way, I felt much safer in the Championship with him in goal than I did with Johnstone, so I'm not sure how much better a keeper we could get to play second fiddle. 

What it does show though is another aspect of the importance of getting into European competition.  I know lots of us are happy to not have the distraction of additional fixtures this year, but if we are going to keep a larger squad of better quality players happy then we need to be offering them game time.  For that reason this year we have to concentrate on getting the highest quality into the first 11 that we can, and then keep fingers crossed we keep most of them fit.  In terms of cover the most urgent position for me is left back, as the drop off currently from Targett is huge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2021, 11:58:48 AM
Oh, and £30m bid for Ward-Prowse....

I wonder how high we're prepared to go on signing Ward-Prowse? Saints fans think he's worth at least double that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 07, 2021, 12:00:10 PM
I like the look of Ward Prouse, but do wonder if Sansom is going to end up being another Berson (rarely plays then leaves quickly). If we were to brong himm in I would have thought one of Luiz/Nakamba/Sanson would go else we are looking overloaded.
I'd not be too worried for Sanson. I'd think there's comfortably room for 4 players being rotated in the 3 central positions, plus a couple of players in more specialised roles.

I'd see something like McGinn / Sanson / Luiz / JWP playing the majority of the games in those positions, with probably Traore spending time as backup right winger and backup for the 'Barkley' role, then Marv playing when we need a more 'defensive' look to the side.  That then comfortably leaves room for Jack, AEG, and Buendia on the wings, with Traore & Trez (when he recovers) providing backup on the wing.

I mean, all that's assuming a lot about us being able to afford Ward-Prowse and him wanting to come to the club, but him or a player like him seems like a really obvious signing for him, and I think you could fairly comfortably fit someone like that in to the squad without having much of an impact on Sanson's expected playing time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on June 07, 2021, 12:04:01 PM
Grealish, Buendia and Traore in the same team is gonna be football porn.

It'll all be fun and games until Mings launches 50 yard punts over their head.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 12:08:12 PM
Oh, and £30m bid for Ward-Prowse....

I wonder how high we're prepared to go on signing Ward-Prowse? Saints fans think he's worth at least double that.

Some bloke on Twitter says £40m.

So probably nothing like it. I guess it all depends on whether Southampton want to sell and if he wants to move. I'd suggest he would, but as captain certainly wouldn't want to rock the boat. Southampton have been a selling club for a while though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 07, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
Oh, and £30m bid for Ward-Prowse....

I wonder how high we're prepared to go on signing Ward-Prowse? Saints fans think he's worth at least double that.

Some bloke on Twitter says £40m.

So probably nothing like it. I guess it all depends on whether Southampton want to sell and if he wants to move. I'd suggest he would, but as captain certainly wouldn't want to rock the boat. Southampton have been a selling club for a while though.

You'd think that we'd have sounded out the player before making a move (and leaking to the press), and also that we'd have an idea of how in need of the money Southampton are.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2021, 12:11:24 PM
Oh, and £30m bid for Ward-Prowse....

I wonder how high we're prepared to go on signing Ward-Prowse? Saints fans think he's worth at least double that.

Some bloke on Twitter says £40m.

So probably nothing like it. I guess it all depends on whether Southampton want to sell and if he wants to move. I'd suggest he would, but as captain certainly wouldn't want to rock the boat. Southampton have been a selling club for a while though.

You'd think that we'd have sounded out the player before making a move (and leaking to the press), and also that we'd have an idea of how in need of the money Southampton are.

Yep, perhaps it's just an agent trying to get his wages upped.. Who knows.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 07, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though, right down to this thing they have about record consecutive starts for them and going for that record. I'd understand if he wanted to stay and only left for guaranteed Champions League etc, but if we did get him it would speak volumes about the ownership and their much-vaunted project.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 07, 2021, 12:12:04 PM
Indeed.
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Post by: OCD on June 07, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
For me Ward-Prowse is more of a number 8 than a 6. Him and McGinn will the legs off opposition midfield and have a high press. I think those 2 with an Ndidi type player behind them with Nakamba as back-up would be really good. If that was the case, it wouldn't surprise me if we sold Sanson back to a French club for pretty much what we paid for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 07, 2021, 12:38:29 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though,

Born in Portsmouth, family is Pompey. ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2021, 12:39:37 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though, right down to this thing they have about record consecutive starts for them and going for that record. I'd understand if he wanted to stay and only left for guaranteed Champions League etc, but if we did get him it would speak volumes about the ownership and their much-vaunted project.

From a Saints forum:
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He’s no more than a fairly decent player with exceptional free-kicks which get the headlines rather than his numerous limitations.
 
He’s decent player for the level we are at - we benefit greatly from his set-pieces and pressing but he’s also a large part of why we are so toothless, especially when we’re chasing a goal because he doesn’t move the ball fast enough and doesn’t get into positions to pick up the ball from defence and connect us to attack quickly.

It won’t happen anyway cause he’s not worth £40m but he really wouldn’t suit Villa anyway - they need a midfielder who can get the ball to Grealish quickly and that really is JWP’s biggest weakness. Don’t think he’d be that popular there after a year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 07, 2021, 12:41:59 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though,

Born in Portsmouth, family is Pompey. ;)

Was a Portsmouth season ticket holder, was mascot for them once.......but apart from that, proper Southampton.

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Post by: LukeJames on June 07, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
James Ward-Gardner
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 07, 2021, 12:46:33 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though, right down to this thing they have about record consecutive starts for them and going for that record. I'd understand if he wanted to stay and only left for guaranteed Champions League etc, but if we did get him it would speak volumes about the ownership and their much-vaunted project.

From a Saints forum:
Quote
He’s no more than a fairly decent player with exceptional free-kicks which get the headlines rather than his numerous limitations.
 
He’s decent player for the level we are at - we benefit greatly from his set-pieces and pressing but he’s also a large part of why we are so toothless, especially when we’re chasing a goal because he doesn’t move the ball fast enough and doesn’t get into positions to pick up the ball from defence and connect us to attack quickly.

It won’t happen anyway cause he’s not worth £40m but he really wouldn’t suit Villa anyway - they need a midfielder who can get the ball to Grealish quickly and that really is JWP’s biggest weakness. Don’t think he’d be that popular there after a year.

Best leave it then......although Brentford fans were similarly damning about Ezri Konsa!!
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Post by: Broadlee on June 07, 2021, 12:47:31 PM
Then again it could all be a smoke screen to cover or force the hand of another player elsewhere in an attempt to get a signing early and before the Euro's.
Exciting times again.

UTV
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 07, 2021, 12:48:01 PM
he has the mark drapers about him
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Post by: andyh on June 07, 2021, 12:50:27 PM
A slightly upgraded Hourihane?
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Post by: Monty on June 07, 2021, 12:52:52 PM
I hear them saying two different things about him on the forums, and from my point of view I think it's his positioning that seems to go undervalued.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2021, 12:55:59 PM
For me Ward-Prowse is more of a number 8 than a 6. Him and McGinn will the legs off opposition midfield and have a high press. I think those 2 with an Ndidi type player behind them with Nakamba as back-up would be really good.

Interesting idea, OCD.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2021, 12:58:23 PM
I’d rather use my own eyes when judging a player. JWD looked great at intentional level last night, has looked good whenever I’ve watched him on TV, certainly against us, and bangs in brilliant goals from set pieces. We need players to elevate us to the next level and he can certainly help get us there. And playing in a side with Buendia and Grealish (I just like saying that) and Ollie up front, Traore and SJM will make him even better.
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Post by: darren woolley on June 07, 2021, 01:15:31 PM
It would be a great transfer window if we can get JWP signed up.
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Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 01:19:51 PM
I like the look of Ward Prouse, but do wonder if Sansom is going to end up being another Berson (rarely plays then leaves quickly). If we were to brong himm in I would have thought one of Luiz/Nakamba/Sanson would go else we are looking overloaded.

Think we need cover at left back, but fine at centre back unless Engels goes.

Seen us linked again with Rashica,  can see that happening as will be a lower fee than last season. That would cover for losing Trez, and Buendia replaces Barkely.

I'm not sure how you can think we'd be overloaded in central midfield.

In a 25 man squad you'd normally want 2 players for every position, an extra keeper an extra striker and 1 wild card who can hopefully cover a few positions.

Given we play 3 in midfield we really should have 6 players there and right now we have 4 (McGinn, Luiz, Nakamba and Sanson). With Ramsey pretty established and Chuk coming through I'm fine with them taking the 6th spot but that still means we need another in there.

Buendia is definitely coming in to play wide right not centrally.

For the record, neither Ramsey or Chuck count towards our squad limit of 25 players.  U21 players can be used in unlimited numbers.  I'm not saying they shouldn't be counted as first-team options, just that buying another central midfielder doesn't 'take' a squad place from them.

By my count if we assume Kalinic and Hourihane are going, that Trez will get a place despite his injury and that Buendia is completed we currently have 21 players that need to be registered.

2 of the spare spots should be a big strong defensive midfielder (but not a thug before anyone starts) and a left back, they're the spots where we are clearly short.

That leaves 2 spots, I'm happy with JWP taking one of those and the other should be a forward with real pace who can give us an alternative to Watkins but also offer something out wide.

2 midfielders in would mean more competition for Ramsey and Chuk but with 9 subs I think there's still plenty of opportunities to get them games between now and Christmas and then re-evaluate things or let them out on loan for half a season.
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 07, 2021, 01:40:10 PM
It would be a great transfer window if we can get JWP signed up.

Think he would be a good signing, but not sure he would be the type of player we really need in midfield.  Even with him, I still think we would still need a physical defensive midfielder as I just think Luiz is not that type of player.
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Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 01:48:51 PM
It would be a great transfer window if we can get JWP signed up.

Think he would be a good signing, but not sure he would be the type of player we really need in midfield.  Even with him, I still think we would still need a physical defensive midfielder as I just think Luiz is not that type of player.

For me it's horses for courses, against a team like Liverpool or Southampton (as examples) I'm fine with someone like JWP or Luiz being the defensive option and focusing on reading play and transitioning from defence into attack quickly. However agianst teams like West Ham and Burnley who are much more direct through midfield and rely on their physicality I'd like someone like Berge in there is give a bit back and make us harder to play through.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2021, 01:57:52 PM
Not quite in the same bracket as Carew, who only 28 when he joined us. But Mandzukic is a 'name' throughout Europe. Realistically he's now at an age where he couldn't be demanding to start every game and might help bring the younger players on.

For a player with those sort of miles on the clock it depends if they're simply after one last pay day. Or whether -like Terry - they're fired up by the challenge or have designs on a future coaching role.

At the opposite end of the spectrum a player like Eddie Nketiah could be one to work and grow with. Give Arsenal fans another chance to hate us. At £20 million it's nearly good value in a mad market.
Mandzukic would be fantastic

Saw him come on for AC Milan and he could hardly move so a little bit too old for that type of striker I think.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2021, 02:12:22 PM
Another reason I want JWP is that our CB’s aren’t enough of a threat in the opponents penalty area. Remember how deadly Ollie Mellberg and especially Laursen was with Barry or Young zipping in crosses. We have two very good CB’s who will benefit from a skilled set piece taker. Jack winning them, JWP either scoring directly or setting others up.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2021, 02:22:38 PM
Buendia, Traore, Grealish, Watkins and James Workers Party smashing in twenty free kicks a season.

Announce Champions.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on June 07, 2021, 02:33:57 PM
Buendia, Traore, Grealish, Watkins and James Workers Party smashing in twenty free kicks a season.

Announce Champions.

Best autocorrect ever
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2021, 02:38:25 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though, right down to this thing they have about record consecutive starts for them and going for that record. I'd understand if he wanted to stay and only left for guaranteed Champions League etc, but if we did get him it would speak volumes about the ownership and their much-vaunted project.

From a Saints forum:
Quote
He’s no more than a fairly decent player with exceptional free-kicks which get the headlines rather than his numerous limitations.
 
He’s decent player for the level we are at - we benefit greatly from his set-pieces and pressing but he’s also a large part of why we are so toothless, especially when we’re chasing a goal because he doesn’t move the ball fast enough and doesn’t get into positions to pick up the ball from defence and connect us to attack quickly.

It won’t happen anyway cause he’s not worth £40m but he really wouldn’t suit Villa anyway - they need a midfielder who can get the ball to Grealish quickly and that really is JWP’s biggest weakness. Don’t think he’d be that popular there after a year.

Best leave it then......although Brentford fans were similarly damning about Ezri Konsa!!

Saints fans were about Targett too for that matter. They looked right in the first season, but he was phenomenal this season. For once I have confidence we can improve any players coming in.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2021, 02:49:14 PM
He's a proper Southamptoner in general though, right down to this thing they have about record consecutive starts for them and going for that record. I'd understand if he wanted to stay and only left for guaranteed Champions League etc, but if we did get him it would speak volumes about the ownership and their much-vaunted project.

From a Saints forum:
Quote
He’s no more than a fairly decent player with exceptional free-kicks which get the headlines rather than his numerous limitations.
 
He’s decent player for the level we are at - we benefit greatly from his set-pieces and pressing but he’s also a large part of why we are so toothless, especially when we’re chasing a goal because he doesn’t move the ball fast enough and doesn’t get into positions to pick up the ball from defence and connect us to attack quickly.

It won’t happen anyway cause he’s not worth £40m but he really wouldn’t suit Villa anyway - they need a midfielder who can get the ball to Grealish quickly and that really is JWP’s biggest weakness. Don’t think he’d be that popular there after a year.

Best leave it then......although Brentford fans were similarly damning about Ezri Konsa!!

Saints fans were about Targett too for that matter. They looked right in the first season, but he was phenomenal this season. For once I have confidence we can improve any players coming in.

Dean Smith improves players. We really should  have sussed this out by now.
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Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2021, 03:41:04 PM
If we sign Ward-Prowse just having signed Buendia it does seem to me the we have shook hands with someone on Jack.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Both Buendia and Ward Prowse will have had other options. They aren't signing for a Villa team that sells its best player. Grealish is a Villa player until at least 2023, IMO.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
If we sign Ward-Prowse just having signed Buendia it does seem to me the we have shook hands with someone on Jack.

Seems to me more like we shook hands with Jack on a promise that we will build a team around him and win stuff.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
Is there a photo of Jack and JWP playing pool while with England?
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Post by: dave shelley on June 07, 2021, 04:05:46 PM
If we do sell Jack, this coming season; irrespective of who we may sign, for me, will be as flat as a plate of piss.  My natural cynisim would normally be set to seeing him wave goodbye but surprisingly this time I think he will stay and give us one more season.  Here's hoping anyway.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2021, 04:36:36 PM
If we sign Ward-Prowse just having signed Buendia it does seem to me the we have shook hands with someone on Jack.

Seems to me more like we shook hands with Jack on a promise that we will build a team around him and win stuff.

This.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 07, 2021, 04:54:49 PM
If we sign Ward-Prowse just having signed Buendia it does seem to me the we have shook hands with someone on Jack.

Seems to me more like we shook hands with Jack on a promise that we will build a team around him and win stuff.

This.

Agree no way we shake hands with anybody when his stock is about to go sky high with the Euros
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 07, 2021, 05:15:10 PM
Lots of rumours on the twit Chelsea are about to bid 170m for Haaland :o Should start the summer ball rolling with Abraham out the door
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2021, 05:16:06 PM
Haaland will be worth it. That's more sensible than spending roughly the same on Kane, IMO. Albeit would prefer if someone else signs Kane to piss Tottenham off.
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Post by: jwarry on June 07, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
Lots of rumours on the twit Chelsea are about to bid 170m for Haaland :o Should start the summer ball rolling with Abraham out the door

Can’t we gazump them? 😁
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
Haaland looks as safe a bet as you could make if you are about to lash out a world record fee or close to it. Only other forward that would command the same and pretty much the same return is Mbappe
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 07, 2021, 05:22:54 PM
That fee just seems mental to me.

Re: Erling Haaland

Chelsea working intense to get Erling Haaland.
He is seen as the “missing” player to make them challenge for the PL-title next season.
Fee very high, but confidence that this can be solved.
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Post by: LeeB on June 07, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
Chelsea is where superstar strikers go to die.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 07, 2021, 05:28:25 PM
Chelsea is where superstar strikers go to die.

heh, yep.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on June 07, 2021, 05:28:34 PM
Will Haaland ever be as good as his father?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2021, 05:36:34 PM
Haaland will be worth it. That's more sensible than spending roughly the same on Kane, IMO. Albeit would prefer if someone else signs Kane to piss Tottenham off.

Us. Think that'd do it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2021, 05:40:50 PM
he has the mark drapers about him
Curtains to that comparison.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on June 07, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
If we sign Ward-Prowse just having signed Buendia it does seem to me the we have shook hands with someone on Jack.
Yes.

Don’t worry, we are going places…Dean/Wes/Nassef shake hands with Jack.
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Post by: stubbsyandy on June 07, 2021, 06:34:17 PM
Article in the Times on Jack had him saying that we don’t have anyone who can take a free kick of the quality he was experiencing in the England set up...maybe JWP is on his wish list?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 07, 2021, 06:36:18 PM
Is there any truth to Douglas Luiz buy back clause expired yesterday?
Would be happy if it did because I do think he will grow to be a real talent in the next few years. Once someone has put their arm around him and told him to calm down and keep his head at times.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2021, 06:38:11 PM
Is there any truth to Douglas Luiz buy back clause expired yesterday?
Would be happy if it did because I do think he will grow to be a real talent in the next few years. Once someone has put their arm around him and told him to calm down and keep his head at times.

Midnight on Saturday according to a few places, not sure where the story started but we'll know how true it is once his new contract is announced because that's pretty clearly been on the cards for a while just waiting for the buy back to drop off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 07, 2021, 06:50:38 PM
Is there any truth to Douglas Luiz buy back clause expired yesterday?
Would be happy if it did because I do think he will grow to be a real talent in the next few years. Once someone has put their arm around him and told him to calm down and keep his head at times.

Midnight on Saturday according to a few places, not sure where the story started but we'll know how true it is once his new contract is announced because that's pretty clearly been on the cards for a while just waiting for the buy back to drop off.

I thought the dates seemed off because we didnt sign him officially until July 25th but I do remember that it dragged on for what seemed like months. Perhaps that's when the initial contact was made and that's why it's expired already. In my opinion that's as good as a new signing if true.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on June 07, 2021, 07:40:12 PM
I'm wondering if the board had promised money for a new AM (i.e. Buendia) and then City have approached about taking Dougie back?  The transfer fee maybe the commitment towards Prowse?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on June 07, 2021, 07:51:57 PM
I’m not sure why people are worried about us losing our prized assets.
We all know the owners want to take the club onwards and upwards. We all know they are prepared to fund the manager and the club. We know they recognise the quality and value of the players we already have.
We do not need to sell players and players are not asking to leave.

I am sure any players that do leave will be surplus to requirements.

Those who stay will be on the journey onwards and upwards and will be the draw for better players coming in.

Relax and enjoy the ride, most clubs would give their eye teeth to be where we are right now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 07, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
I’m not sure why people are worried about us losing our prized assets.
We all know the owners want to take the club onwards and upwards. We all know they are prepared to fund the manager and the club. We know they recognise the quality and value of the players we already have.
We do not need to sell players and players are not asking to leave.

I am sure any players that do leave will be surplus to requirements.

Those who stay will be on the journey onwards and upwards and will be the draw for better players coming in.

Relax and enjoy the ride, most clubs would give their eye teeth to be where we are right now.

Well the worrying thing about Dougie is we have absolutely zero choice if city want him back and his buy back clause hasn't expired. Yes we have the money to replace him but will we find another incredibly promising cdm who plays for one of the best country sides in the world and still has bags of potential and  who will adapt to the English game straight away for the same 27 million city's buy back clause is? My thoughts are not an fing chance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on June 07, 2021, 08:02:39 PM
Since NSWE have come in we have not sold a single player that we would've wanted to keep.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on June 07, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
I’m not sure why people are worried about us losing our prized assets.
We all know the owners want to take the club onwards and upwards. We all know they are prepared to fund the manager and the club. We know they recognise the quality and value of the players we already have.
We do not need to sell players and players are not asking to leave.

I am sure any players that do leave will be surplus to requirements.

Those who stay will be on the journey onwards and upwards and will be the draw for better players coming in.

Relax and enjoy the ride, most clubs would give their eye teeth to be where we are right now.

I think it's like a form of PTSD, we've had so many years of Dougenomics through to Dr Tony, where if something good happened it was always tempered by something bad, we almost can't conceive of a situation where we buy and excellent attacking and creative player AND keep our star attacking and creative player.

Everyone has a price, even Jack, but frankly there is 0.01% chance of him being sold this summer. Short of him being the star of the Euros and Real Madrid breaking the world transfer record, he's going nowhere...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on June 07, 2021, 08:03:55 PM
It’s the meaning evil, but it might settle some nerves

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/douglas-luiz-man-city-villa-20590651
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on June 07, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
I wasn't particularlt worried over losing Luiz, he's a good player but not irreplacable.  It is a little shocking to see us attempting to sign Buendia and Ward-Prowse, when as we are largely agreed (?) a DM/CB would appear to be more of a priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
I’m not sure why people are worried about us losing our prized assets.
We all know the owners want to take the club onwards and upwards. We all know they are prepared to fund the manager and the club. We know they recognise the quality and value of the players we already have.
We do not need to sell players and players are not asking to leave.

I am sure any players that do leave will be surplus to requirements.

Those who stay will be on the journey onwards and upwards and will be the draw for better players coming in.

Relax and enjoy the ride, most clubs would give their eye teeth to be where we are right now.

Well the worrying thing about Dougie is we have absolutely zero choice if city want him back and his buy back clause hasn't expired. Yes we have the money to replace him but will we find another incredibly promising cdm who plays for one of the best country sides in the world and still has bags of potential and  who will adapt to the English game straight away for the same 27 million city's buy back clause is? My thoughts are not an fing chance.

The Athletic ran a piece on Luiz back in January, and they seemed to believe it would expire on the 5th. I'm not sure of their source, but if somebody with a subscription or a spare pound wants to have a look-see...
https://theathletic.co.uk/2329572/2021/01/19/douglas-luiz-football-soccer/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2021, 08:12:40 PM
Well the worrying thing about Dougie is we have absolutely zero choice if city want him back and his buy back clause hasn't expired. Yes we have the money to replace him but will we find another incredibly promising cdm who plays for one of the best country sides in the world and still has bags of potential and  who will adapt to the English game straight away for the same 27 million city's buy back clause is? My thoughts are not an fing chance.
Lindlay in the U18's looks a real live potential - similar to McTominay.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 07, 2021, 08:13:55 PM
I think a replacement for Barkley was our most urgent requirement. Buendia would fit that bill, if not directly then through a small tweak in set-up.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 07, 2021, 08:26:59 PM
I think a replacement for Barkley was our most urgent requirement. Buendia would fit that bill, if not directly then through a small tweak in set-up.

having read a bit more about Buendia, he is definitely a right sided attacker rather than a Ten.  Next season, I can see us playing a 433 with three number 8s, rather than a DMC and a Ten. 

433 arguably suits the players we have (incl Sansom) and also the link to Ward Prowse.  The Barkley experiment with a Ten meant the defensive burden on Luiz and SJM was often too great so this could make us more solid and also mean we need to sign less players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 07, 2021, 08:38:54 PM
Grealish, Buendia and Traore in the same team is gonna be football porn.

That's why Norwich sold him so quickly, they don't want to be associated with 'adult content'. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57388632
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 07, 2021, 09:24:25 PM
I’m not sure why people are worried about us losing our prized assets.
We all know the owners want to take the club onwards and upwards. We all know they are prepared to fund the manager and the club. We know they recognise the quality and value of the players we already have.
We do not need to sell players and players are not asking to leave.

I am sure any players that do leave will be surplus to requirements.

Those who stay will be on the journey onwards and upwards and will be the draw for better players coming in.

Relax and enjoy the ride, most clubs would give their eye teeth to be where we are right now.

Well the worrying thing about Dougie is we have absolutely zero choice if city want him back and his buy back clause hasn't expired. Yes we have the money to replace him but will we find another incredibly promising cdm who plays for one of the best country sides in the world and still has bags of potential and  who will adapt to the English game straight away for the same 27 million city's buy back clause is? My thoughts are not an fing chance.

The Athletic ran a piece on Luiz back in January, and they seemed to believe it would expire on the 5th. I'm not sure of their source, but if somebody with a subscription or a spare pound wants to have a look-see...
https://theathletic.co.uk/2329572/2021/01/19/douglas-luiz-football-soccer/

I hope its true. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2021, 09:57:25 PM
I think a replacement for Barkley was our most urgent requirement. Buendia would fit that bill, if not directly then through a small tweak in set-up.

having read a bit more about Buendia, he is definitely a right sided attacker rather than a Ten.  Next season, I can see us playing a 433 with three number 8s, rather than a DMC and a Ten. 

433 arguably suits the players we have (incl Sansom) and also the link to Ward Prowse.  The Barkley experiment with a Ten meant the defensive burden on Luiz and SJM was often too great so this could make us more solid and also mean we need to sign less players.

We played Jack as a 10 in the last 2 games. That points to next season, if not all the time then for when we've come up against teams looking to stifle us. Because even if you're right about us looking to play 4-3-3 a lot of the time, Smith will still want to have the option to change it when he needs to.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on June 07, 2021, 09:59:42 PM
If he does play wide right it frees bert up to be an impact sub/ollie’s cover.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on June 07, 2021, 10:01:31 PM
Because we’ve never been in this position before as in having Loadsamoney

which means you can buy players and compete on a higher level
But just as important it also means you don’t have to sell your best players
It just gives you more overall control

I never really appreciated that until recently, In fact I think that’s what makes the biggest difference
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Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2021, 10:03:00 PM
If he does play wide right it frees bert up to be an impact sub/ollie’s cover.

Bert could also move to the left. or watch the three of them interchange throughout the game.  That would be a nightmare for opponents.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2021, 12:04:20 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-sarr-20762234

Mail are running a story that we're interested in Pape Sarr. I've only seen highlights but he's 18, very highly rated and looks like the sort of player that would look good anywhere between the centre backs and the strikers. His youtube highlights almost look like it's 2-3 different players, sometimes sitting deep, winning the ball and playing it short, other times leading a high press and winning ball in the opposition half yet more of him picking the ball and driving through to shoot from distance.

Has anyone seen anything more than highlights of him because right now he looks like exactly the player I've wanted for midfield in this window.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 08, 2021, 12:46:13 AM
If he does play wide right it frees bert up to be an impact sub/ollie’s cover.

McGinn is likely to play a lot further forward next season too. 4231 still is our best formation with Jack I think. Going to be very competitive with Buendia, McGinn, Sanson and Traore competing for two spots. I don't think Luiz is mature enough yet to be a single holding midfielder in a 433/4141 set up. Another midfielder next to him is essential for me. 
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 08, 2021, 06:26:16 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-sarr-20762234

Mail are running a story that we're interested in Pape Sarr. I've only seen highlights but he's 18, very highly rated and looks like the sort of player that would look good anywhere between the centre backs and the strikers. His youtube highlights almost look like it's 2-3 different players, sometimes sitting deep, winning the ball and playing it short, other times leading a high press and winning ball in the opposition half yet more of him picking the ball and driving through to shoot from distance.

Has anyone seen anything more than highlights of him because right now he looks like exactly the player I've wanted for midfield in this window.

At that age he'd be one for the future i'd presume rather than the 1st team, though he's doing well if he has a youtube highlights video after 18 games.
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Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2021, 06:52:46 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-sarr-20762234

Mail are running a story that we're interested in Pape Sarr. I've only seen highlights but he's 18, very highly rated and looks like the sort of player that would look good anywhere between the centre backs and the strikers. His youtube highlights almost look like it's 2-3 different players, sometimes sitting deep, winning the ball and playing it short, other times leading a high press and winning ball in the opposition half yet more of him picking the ball and driving through to shoot from distance.

Has anyone seen anything more than highlights of him because right now he looks like exactly the player I've wanted for midfield in this window.

At that age he'd be one for the future i'd presume rather than the 1st team, though he's doing well if he has a youtube highlights video after 18 games.

He has a touch of Kante about him but bigger, get him in!
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Post by: ROBBO on June 08, 2021, 07:32:14 AM
His highlights weren't that impressive but he does look promising. That said we have kids of our own that will be looking to challenge so if it's for big money i would pass.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 08, 2021, 07:38:06 AM
yeah 27m does seem a little pricey  :o
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Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2021, 07:59:38 AM
Depends really, he looks very, very good for his age (based on youtube highlights and every review I can find) so chances are he'd only go up in value and is potentially the world class DM we could really do with.

I would really like to know the opinion of anyone who's actually seen him in more than highlights.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on June 08, 2021, 08:45:32 AM
If he does play wide right it frees bert up to be an impact sub/ollie’s cover.

McGinn is likely to play a lot further forward next season too. 4231 still is our best formation with Jack I think. Going to be very competitive with Buendia, McGinn, Sanson and Traore competing for two spots. I don't think Luiz is mature enough yet to be a single holding midfielder in a 433/4141 set up. Another midfielder next to him is essential for me. 
Which is why a 4-3-3 would work better, as long as a JWP type were to come in.
The first choice MF 3 would be Luiz, McGinn and JWP but there'd also be Sanson, Nakamba, Ramsey and Chuk (and Lindlay, perhaps, in 6-12 months' time) to weave into the mix as required / necessary.
That first-choice selection would be energetic, combative, skillful and equally at ease defending and supporting the attack.


If we bring in a DMF, then we could play 4-2-3-1 and we'd have good players competing for the 2 slots you referred to.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2021, 09:14:52 AM
His highlights weren't that impressive but he does look promising. That said we have kids of our own that will be looking to challenge so if it's for big money i would pass.

Nah, get him in. Continue the policy of buying excellent players for today and the best players for the future. The more the merrier. And, realistically, we will be lucky if three or four of our Youth Cup heroes break through.
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Post by: algy on June 08, 2021, 09:43:51 AM
His highlights weren't that impressive but he does look promising. That said we have kids of our own that will be looking to challenge so if it's for big money i would pass.

Nah, get him in. Continue the policy of buying excellent players for today and the best players for the future. The more the merrier. And, realistically, we will be lucky if three or four of our Youth Cup heroes break through.
Yeah, similar thoughts from me.  We should aim to be a powerhouse in every age category, plus the first team.  If he'll strengthen the U23s & looks like he's still got potential for improvement, get him in.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 08, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
His highlights weren't that impressive but he does look promising. That said we have kids of our own that will be looking to challenge so if it's for big money i would pass.

Nah, get him in. Continue the policy of buying excellent players for today and the best players for the future. The more the merrier. And, realistically, we will be lucky if three or four of our Youth Cup heroes break through.


I think you're right about three or four breaking through with us, but they did look like most could make a living in the game. But it's harsh at that age, 4 players from the match day squad against Liverpool in the January Cup game have been released, including two that started the match.
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 08, 2021, 10:58:31 AM
If he does play wide right it frees bert up to be an impact sub/ollie’s cover.

McGinn is likely to play a lot further forward next season too. 4231 still is our best formation with Jack I think. Going to be very competitive with Buendia, McGinn, Sanson and Traore competing for two spots. I don't think Luiz is mature enough yet to be a single holding midfielder in a 433/4141 set up. Another midfielder next to him is essential for me.

Think we will see McGinn playing in that more advanced role in the Euros and I would certainly look at him starting next season in that role. 
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Post by: algy on June 08, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
His highlights weren't that impressive but he does look promising. That said we have kids of our own that will be looking to challenge so if it's for big money i would pass.

Nah, get him in. Continue the policy of buying excellent players for today and the best players for the future. The more the merrier. And, realistically, we will be lucky if three or four of our Youth Cup heroes break through.


I think you're right about three or four breaking through with us, but they did look like most could make a living in the game. But it's harsh at that age, 4 players from the match day squad against Liverpool in the January Cup game have been released, including two that started the match.
One thing I quite like doing from time to time is looking through old FA Youth Cup final squads and seeing what happened to all of the players.  E.g. if you look at the Liverpool FA Youth Cup winning side from 2009 - so all players who are either at, just or past, their peak now:

GK - Dean Bouzanis - now playing non-league football, probably made a living but nothing more
DF - Steven Irwin - knocked around Europe playing a handful of games for random lower league sides, now playing non-league
DF - Jack Robinson - one of the more succesful ones, played about 200 games in the Championship for various clubs
DF - Daniel Ayala - similar to Robinson - 250 games, mostly in the Championship
MF - Andre Wisdom - couple of seasons on loan in the Premier League, now dropped down to the Championship & doing alright
MF - David Amoo - journeyman career spent mainly in League One & Two
MF - Christopher Buchtmann - made a decent career playing in the Bundesliga.2 for St Pauli
FW - Lauri Dalla Valle - lower league journeyman career across Europe, neer played more than about 30 games for one club
FW - Tom Ince - arguably the most successful, 350-odd games coming mainly in the Championship
MF - Alexander Kačaniklić - looked like he might break through at Fulham for a bit, plays a bit for Sweden, not really played for anyone notable though
FW - Nathan Eccleston - short career playing a handful of games for a myriad of teams, now playing non-league football
DF- Alex Cooper - played mainly lower league Scottish football, now playing in Ireland

Of that entire squad, only one made a double figure number of appearances for the Liverpool first team (Andre Wisdom, who played 14 times).  Only half a dozen have seen football in the top division of one of the big 5 leagues after they left, and for all bar 2 of those of those it's literally been a couple of games early on in their career.

The losing finalists, Arsenal, did better - they've had Jack Wilshire, Henri Lansbury, Luke Ayling (currently at Leeds), Kyle Bartley (stripeys), Francis Coquelin (Villareal) ... but it's still a similar story for the majority of their players.  Of the 32 players who were in both teams for that final, only Jack Wilshire and Francis Coquelin played more than 100 games for their parent club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2021, 11:45:24 AM
Depends really, he looks very, very good for his age (based on youtube highlights and every review I can find) so chances are he'd only go up in value and is potentially the world class DM we could really do with.

I would really like to know the opinion of anyone who's actually seen him in more than highlights.

Unfortunately, our chief-scout John Blackwell departed some time ago.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2021, 11:51:26 AM
Since leaving the EU we are only allowed to sign six under-21 non-UK/Ireland players per season (zero from outside the UK who are under 18, no exemptions at that age for Irish players). May as well get the best ones so as not to waste our quota. If that means spending a few quid, fuck it, we're minted.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2021, 01:18:44 PM
Think this guy would be very good pick up if we're looking for plan B striker option off the bench. 23 and 16 Bundesliga goals for Stuttgart this season. Will be playing for Austria in the euros. He can do radical stuff like heading in a corner kick!

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Post by: Border villan on June 08, 2021, 01:56:45 PM
Think this guy would be very good pick up if we're looking for plan B striker option off the bench. 23 and 16 Bundesliga goals for Stuttgart this season. Will be playing for Austria in the euros. He can do radical stuff like heading in a corner kick!



Thought we were after players who “fit in”. Scoring from a corner could upset a few of the regular squad.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2021, 02:30:37 PM
Think this guy would be very good pick up if we're looking for plan B striker option off the bench. 23 and 16 Bundesliga goals for Stuttgart this season. Will be playing for Austria in the euros. He can do radical stuff like heading in a corner kick!



Thought we were after players who “fit in”. Scoring from a corner could upset a few of the regular squad.

The ball beating the first man will be progress.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2021, 02:36:24 PM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 08, 2021, 02:40:40 PM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.

Indeed but he is older then Bellingham who seems to do ok
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2021, 04:34:05 PM
One thing I quite like doing from time to time is looking through old FA Youth Cup final squads and seeing what happened to all of the players.  E.g. if you look at the Liverpool FA Youth Cup winning side from 2009 - so all players who are either at, just or past, their peak now:

GK - Dean Bouzanis - now playing non-league football, probably made a living but nothing more
DF - Steven Irwin - knocked around Europe playing a handful of games for random lower league sides, now playing non-league
DF - Jack Robinson - one of the more succesful ones, played about 200 games in the Championship for various clubs
DF - Daniel Ayala - similar to Robinson - 250 games, mostly in the Championship
MF - Andre Wisdom - couple of seasons on loan in the Premier League, now dropped down to the Championship & doing alright
MF - David Amoo - journeyman career spent mainly in League One & Two
MF - Christopher Buchtmann - made a decent career playing in the Bundesliga.2 for St Pauli
FW - Lauri Dalla Valle - lower league journeyman career across Europe, neer played more than about 30 games for one club
FW - Tom Ince - arguably the most successful, 350-odd games coming mainly in the Championship
MF - Alexander Kačaniklić - looked like he might break through at Fulham for a bit, plays a bit for Sweden, not really played for anyone notable though
FW - Nathan Eccleston - short career playing a handful of games for a myriad of teams, now playing non-league football
DF- Alex Cooper - played mainly lower league Scottish football, now playing in Ireland

Of that entire squad, only one made a double figure number of appearances for the Liverpool first team (Andre Wisdom, who played 14 times).  Only half a dozen have seen football in the top division of one of the big 5 leagues after they left, and for all bar 2 of those of those it's literally been a couple of games early on in their career.

The losing finalists, Arsenal, did better - they've had Jack Wilshire, Henri Lansbury, Luke Ayling (currently at Leeds), Kyle Bartley (stripeys), Francis Coquelin (Villareal) ... but it's still a similar story for the majority of their players.  Of the 32 players who were in both teams for that final, only Jack Wilshire and Francis Coquelin played more than 100 games for their parent club.
This is an interesting post Algy, amazing how few make it.  Hopefully some of ours will - to me some of them look too good not to, but I guess it's better not to expect too much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on June 08, 2021, 04:38:33 PM
Read somewhere that the clubs know that the vast majority of them have no hope of making it, but they need enough for a team to play with the couple that do have a chance. Quite a sad way of looking at it really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.

Indeed but he is older then Bellingham who seems to do ok

This gets thrown out quite often but Bellingham is really a once in a generation talent. Before him, in English terms, it was Rooney. For every one of these there's many who won't make it. If you're spending £27m on an 18-year old, you had better be 100% confident in his technique, his temperament and his ability to adapt. Wasting £5m on Tishbola was a big enough waste of money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2021, 05:06:47 PM
Read somewhere that the clubs know that the vast majority of them have no hope of making it, but they need enough for a team to play with the couple that do have a chance. Quite a sad way of looking at it really.

And you often can't be sure which one's will make it. Some of the less talented one's will make up for their lesser natural abilities by working much harder than those who are talented.

We seem to be doing our best to sign as many of the top talents in each position as we can and that will make it interesting as hopefully they can push eachother on by training day in and day out with players of a high ability for their age group.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2021, 08:10:45 PM
Pape Starr is following Villa on Twitter, can see him signing, maybe...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
Pape Starr is following Villa on Twitter, can see him signing, maybe...

I want us to sign Pape Sarr and have him change his name to Starr eventualy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 08, 2021, 08:52:13 PM
Is he a winger or central midfielder?

Have heard him described as "the new Manè" or the "new Idrissa Gueye".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2021, 08:55:43 PM
Is he a winger or central midfielder?

Have heard him described as "the new Manè" or the "new Idrissa Gueye".

He’s a central midfielder from what I’ve seen who has a superb range of passing and can get up and down the pitch. I’d say he’s the love child of Vieira, Pirlo, Pogba, Makelele. Something like that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 08, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Yeah, but can he take freekicks?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
Yeah, but can he take freekicks?

Ward Prowse will be handling those
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2021, 09:06:15 PM
Aliou Cisse (his manager for Senegal) compared him to Mane on the basis that he could play anywhere. Perhaps he uses Mane in a number of different positions but as we only see him for Liverpool where he's a wide forward it seems a bit odd to us.

His first position seems to be as a defensive midfielder who's capable of getting up and down the pitch. He's got quite a physical frame for an 18-year old so he could be a bit scary as he develops and does a bit of strength and conditioning work.

He seems to be the type that we should be looking at but as Paul said earlier, I've not seen him play...I'm just going off YouTube videos and what I've read about him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2021, 09:06:57 PM
Yeah, but can he take freekicks?

Yep. Some of the YT clips show him scoring freekicks and penalties.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 08, 2021, 09:14:33 PM
Read somewhere that the clubs know that the vast majority of them have no hope of making it, but they need enough for a team to play with the couple that do have a chance. Quite a sad way of looking at it really.
Academies have a good idea who will make it and who will not - though that in part is because they can (unconsciously) focus on the players they have identified as being a real prospect. There can also be exceptions, though not many.

Provided expectations are appropriately managed and youngsters are supported with their education and wider development, then maybe the risks are not that great. Viewed positively, a youngster enjoys professional coaching in a positive environment knowing there is perhaps only a 1% chance of becoming a professional player.

The downside is that expectations are not managed and insufficient focus is placed on academic studies, alternatives to football and most especially the life experience of growing up.

Coaches and academics are beginning to realise that elite athletes (in all sports) need to be given the time and space to develop as young people rather than thinking 'normal' adolescent experiences are a potential hinderance to athletic performance and hence something to seek to avoid or mitigate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 08, 2021, 10:21:32 PM
One thing I quite like doing from time to time is looking through old FA Youth Cup final squads and seeing what happened to all of the players.  E.g. if you look at the Liverpool FA Youth Cup winning side from 2009 - so all players who are either at, just or past, their peak now:

GK - Dean Bouzanis - now playing non-league football, probably made a living but nothing more
DF - Steven Irwin - knocked around Europe playing a handful of games for random lower league sides, now playing non-league
DF - Jack Robinson - one of the more succesful ones, played about 200 games in the Championship for various clubs
DF - Daniel Ayala - similar to Robinson - 250 games, mostly in the Championship
MF - Andre Wisdom - couple of seasons on loan in the Premier League, now dropped down to the Championship & doing alright
MF - David Amoo - journeyman career spent mainly in League One & Two
MF - Christopher Buchtmann - made a decent career playing in the Bundesliga.2 for St Pauli
FW - Lauri Dalla Valle - lower league journeyman career across Europe, neer played more than about 30 games for one club
FW - Tom Ince - arguably the most successful, 350-odd games coming mainly in the Championship
MF - Alexander Kačaniklić - looked like he might break through at Fulham for a bit, plays a bit for Sweden, not really played for anyone notable though
FW - Nathan Eccleston - short career playing a handful of games for a myriad of teams, now playing non-league football
DF- Alex Cooper - played mainly lower league Scottish football, now playing in Ireland

Of that entire squad, only one made a double figure number of appearances for the Liverpool first team (Andre Wisdom, who played 14 times).  Only half a dozen have seen football in the top division of one of the big 5 leagues after they left, and for all bar 2 of those of those it's literally been a couple of games early on in their career.

The losing finalists, Arsenal, did better - they've had Jack Wilshire, Henri Lansbury, Luke Ayling (currently at Leeds), Kyle Bartley (stripeys), Francis Coquelin (Villareal) ... but it's still a similar story for the majority of their players.  Of the 32 players who were in both teams for that final, only Jack Wilshire and Francis Coquelin played more than 100 games for their parent club.
This is an interesting post Algy, amazing how few make it.  Hopefully some of ours will - to me some of them look too good not to, but I guess it's better not to expect too much.

We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

In fairness the next crop between 2005-09 were much better even if not all showed it here. Gabby up to 2011 was pretty effective after all, Cahill CL winner and 50 odd caps for England (and given how he played when he broke through here not a huge shock to me he eventually reached those heights) Albrighton premier league winner and Steven Davis a very solid prem midfield and record holder of caps for Northern Ireland.

Even some of the ones who didn't quite make it like Bannan and Hogg become solid championship players so only really the Fonz who didn't do much with his career so that's a much better strike rate.

Carney looks very special and think the same of Louie Barry aswell so would be really disappointed if those two don't kick on and become first choice players in three years (probably sooner in Carney's case) so those are the two for me. Likes of Kesler, JBP and others could go either way, I mean we've seen plenty of Ramsey this season yet still don't know what his level is at prem level (especially if we want to be pushing for top 6 soon) so important not to rush judgements although every so often a Grealish comes along and looks at home from first match they play for us, Barry was the same aswell years back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2021, 10:38:35 PM
One thing I quite like doing from time to time is looking through old FA Youth Cup final squads and seeing what happened to all of the players.  E.g. if you look at the Liverpool FA Youth Cup winning side from 2009 - so all players who are either at, just or past, their peak now:

GK - Dean Bouzanis - now playing non-league football, probably made a living but nothing more
DF - Steven Irwin - knocked around Europe playing a handful of games for random lower league sides, now playing non-league
DF - Jack Robinson - one of the more succesful ones, played about 200 games in the Championship for various clubs
DF - Daniel Ayala - similar to Robinson - 250 games, mostly in the Championship
MF - Andre Wisdom - couple of seasons on loan in the Premier League, now dropped down to the Championship & doing alright
MF - David Amoo - journeyman career spent mainly in League One & Two
MF - Christopher Buchtmann - made a decent career playing in the Bundesliga.2 for St Pauli
FW - Lauri Dalla Valle - lower league journeyman career across Europe, neer played more than about 30 games for one club
FW - Tom Ince - arguably the most successful, 350-odd games coming mainly in the Championship
MF - Alexander Kačaniklić - looked like he might break through at Fulham for a bit, plays a bit for Sweden, not really played for anyone notable though
FW - Nathan Eccleston - short career playing a handful of games for a myriad of teams, now playing non-league football
DF- Alex Cooper - played mainly lower league Scottish football, now playing in Ireland

Of that entire squad, only one made a double figure number of appearances for the Liverpool first team (Andre Wisdom, who played 14 times).  Only half a dozen have seen football in the top division of one of the big 5 leagues after they left, and for all bar 2 of those of those it's literally been a couple of games early on in their career.

The losing finalists, Arsenal, did better - they've had Jack Wilshire, Henri Lansbury, Luke Ayling (currently at Leeds), Kyle Bartley (stripeys), Francis Coquelin (Villareal) ... but it's still a similar story for the majority of their players.  Of the 32 players who were in both teams for that final, only Jack Wilshire and Francis Coquelin played more than 100 games for their parent club.
This is an interesting post Algy, amazing how few make it.  Hopefully some of ours will - to me some of them look too good not to, but I guess it's better not to expect too much.

We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

In fairness the next crop between 2005-09 were much better even if not all showed it here. Gabby up to 2011 was pretty effective after all, Cahill CL winner and 50 odd caps for England (and given how he played when he broke through here not a huge shock to me he eventually reached those heights) Albrighton premier league winner and Steven Davis a very solid prem midfield and record holder of caps for Northern Ireland.

Even some of the ones who didn't quite make it like Bannan and Hogg become solid championship players so only really the Fonz who didn't do much with his career so that's a much better strike rate.

Carney looks very special and think the same of Louie Barry aswell so would be really disappointed if those two don't kick on and become first choice players in three years (probably sooner in Carney's case) so those are the two for me. Likes of Kesler, JBP and others could go either way, I mean we've seen plenty of Ramsey this season yet still don't know what his level is at prem level (especially if we want to be pushing for top 6 soon) so important not to rush judgements although every so often a Grealish comes along and looks at home from first match they play for us, Barry was the same aswell years back.

I think a big part of the problem, for a number of years, has been how the transition from U23 to first team has been handled, lots of youngsters have been allowed to stagnate for years stuck between the 2. It's a problem all through the premier league because it's easier to just buy players to sit on the bench than to work with your academy to fill those spots.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2021, 11:10:58 PM
I still think Luke Moore, at least, could have gone on to have a fantastic career with the right manager to put his arm around him. Instead, we had that twat O'Leary dropping him not long after he scored a hat-trick at Middlesbrough and generally treating him, much as he treated the rest of the club, as an inconvenience.

That said, he still went onto have a more successful career than probably 90% of Premier League Academy players. So did Ridgewell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2021, 11:49:20 PM
Luke had all the talent, just not enough of the hunger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2021, 11:55:20 PM
I think that's where a better manager would have got more out of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2021, 11:57:50 PM
Many tried, he went through quite a few clubs in the end. Remember him scoring the winner for Swansea against Man Sheikhy, years after leaving us. You'd be willing him to push-on and fulfill his potential but it just didn't happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 12:21:23 AM
Thing I remember  most about luke moore is everyone thought his brother was better to start with
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on June 09, 2021, 02:27:53 AM
Emiliano Martinez stretchered off in Argentina game against Colombia



Go to 4 mins on the video

Hopefully, he will be ok but maybe we need a backup keeper?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on June 09, 2021, 07:24:47 AM
I still think Luke Moore, at least, could have gone on to have a fantastic career with the right manager to put his arm around him. Instead, we had that twat O'Leary dropping him not long after he scored a hat-trick at Middlesbrough and generally treating him, much as he treated the rest of the club, as an inconvenience.

That said, he still went onto have a more successful career than probably 90% of Premier League Academy players. So did Ridgewell.

I always thought Ridgewell was a good CH.
He had a good partnership with Cahill and it looked like they could have developed into a great back 2 for us, but MO’N in his wisdom decided to get rid of both.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on June 09, 2021, 07:29:27 AM
Was part of the reason to get rid of Ridgewell due to the affair that 1 of the players was having with his wife?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2021, 07:43:29 AM
Emiliano Martinez stretchered off in Argentina game against Colombia



Go to 4 mins on the video

Hopefully, he will be ok but maybe we need a backup keeper?

Depends if you think Steer is good enough. For me he is too good to be a third choice and should play in the cups, etc.

From there do you want a third keeper who is young enough to be a U23 starter and offer backup or to have someone around who never plays?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 09, 2021, 07:55:36 AM
Emiliano Martinez stretchered off in Argentina game against Colombia



Go to 4 mins on the video

Hopefully, he will be ok but maybe we need a backup keeper?

Depends if you think Steer is good enough. For me he is too good to be a third choice and should play in the cups, etc.

From there do you want a third keeper who is young enough to be a U23 starter and offer backup or to have someone around who never plays?
Yeah, I'm of a similar mind ... for me, Jed Steer's done enough to justify being our second choice keeper.  Obviously he's not as good as Martinez, but I think he's shown himself as a good top-end-of-the-championship keeper, so without any other evidence I'd guess he's probably a decent Premier League keeper, albeit one you'd probably expect at a side closer to the Championship than Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 09, 2021, 08:08:42 AM
We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

...
The weird one of the whole thing was Scottish midfielder Colin Marshall.  Was sent on loan to Clyde in 03/04, then released.  He then very briefly (for 2 months) played for St Johnstone, was released, then spent the rest of 04/05 playing irregularly for Falkirk.  The following season he had short term contracts with Stranraer and Dundee.  Then he dropped off the radar for a couple of years.

Then, in 2009/10 he reappeared at Tiverton Town in Devon, ready to start a frankly bewildering international journey that saw him play in Spain (Credillente Deportivo, then in the 4th tier), Iceland (BI/Bolungarvík and Vikingur, both in their Premier League), Japan (Machida Zelvia, 2nd tier at the time), Vanuatu (Amicale FC, who reached the final of the Oceania Champions League that season), then back to Scotland for a season at Cowdenbeath, before returning to Vanuatu to play for Amicale again for a season.

The story didn't end there, though.  After a season in Vanuatu, he came back and played for Gartcairn in the 5th tier of the Scottish Junior leagues, and was last seen playing Sunday league football for Drumchapel United.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 09, 2021, 08:29:50 AM
Algy, that’s what I call a journeyman.
Great story.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on June 09, 2021, 08:56:07 AM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.

Indeed but he is older then Bellingham who seems to do ok

This gets thrown out quite often but Bellingham is really a once in a generation talent. Before him, in English terms, it was Rooney. For every one of these there's many who won't make it. If you're spending £27m on an 18-year old, you had better be 100% confident in his technique, his temperament and his ability to adapt. Wasting £5m on Tishbola was a big enough waste of money.
if I remember right, wasn’t Rooney 16/17 when he broke through at Everton and then 19 when he went to Utd? That goal Louie Barry scored in the cup this season against the reigning champions- you’d have to think of him as a similar standard to Rooney at that age. If we look after him right, he could really be a prospect for us if he gets a bit of luck with injuries etc. I’m dying to see him involved in some way next season, but I reckon they’ll assess over pre-season and then decide what to do with him just before the season starts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 09, 2021, 09:00:37 AM
We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

...
The weird one of the whole thing was Scottish midfielder Colin Marshall.  Was sent on loan to Clyde in 03/04, then released.  He then very briefly (for 2 months) played for St Johnstone, was released, then spent the rest of 04/05 playing irregularly for Falkirk.  The following season he had short term contracts with Stranraer and Dundee.  Then he dropped off the radar for a couple of years.

Then, in 2009/10 he reappeared at Tiverton Town in Devon, ready to start a frankly bewildering international journey that saw him play in Spain (Credillente Deportivo, then in the 4th tier), Iceland (BI/Bolungarvík and Vikingur, both in their Premier League), Japan (Machida Zelvia, 2nd tier at the time), Vanuatu (Amicale FC, who reached the final of the Oceania Champions League that season), then back to Scotland for a season at Cowdenbeath, before returning to Vanuatu to play for Amicale again for a season.

The story didn't end there, though.  After a season in Vanuatu, he came back and played for Gartcairn in the 5th tier of the Scottish Junior leagues, and was last seen playing Sunday league football for Drumchapel United.

Once you played for the Mighty Villa and the Bully Wee Clyde, the only way is down really
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on June 09, 2021, 09:02:10 AM
Many tried, he went through quite a few clubs in the end. Remember him scoring the winner for Swansea against Man Sheikhy, years after leaving us. You'd be willing him to push-on and fulfill his potential but it just didn't happen.
remember the blues game at VP early Sunday k.o? He was through with a fantastic shooting chance, but unselfishly squared for JPA who fluffed his lines. I still believe if he’d have smashed it into the back of the net instead of passing it, he may have gone on to better things at Villa. A goal in that match would maybe have bought him a bit of time in the side and lowered any pressure that might have been on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 09, 2021, 09:02:46 AM
Was nosing through the players whose contracts are up in 2022.

Giroud would be an excellent addition, experience to help Watkins,wouldn't necessarily expect to start and would actually be a dangerous option off the bench.

Or we could sign Bamford to piss Leeds off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on June 09, 2021, 09:07:02 AM
Read somewhere that the clubs know that the vast majority of them have no hope of making it, but they need enough for a team to play with the couple that do have a chance. Quite a sad way of looking at it really.

That's true for all sports though.

Probably the most up front about it is Baseball, where there are 120 lower level teams preparing players for the 30 Major League teams.

There's no promotion/relegation, the teams just exist to progress the few top prospects up the levels.
The bulk of the squads are made up of poorly paid non-prospects.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2021, 09:14:11 AM
Many tried, he went through quite a few clubs in the end. Remember him scoring the winner for Swansea against Man Sheikhy, years after leaving us. You'd be willing him to push-on and fulfill his potential but it just didn't happen.
remember the blues game at VP early Sunday k.o? He was through with a fantastic shooting chance, but unselfishly squared for JPA who fluffed his lines. I still believe if he’d have smashed it into the back of the net instead of passing it, he may have gone on to better things at Villa. A goal in that match would maybe have bought him a bit of time in the side and lowered any pressure that might have been on him.

Remember that we'll mate
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on June 09, 2021, 09:15:59 AM
We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

...
The weird one of the whole thing was Scottish midfielder Colin Marshall.  Was sent on loan to Clyde in 03/04, then released.  He then very briefly (for 2 months) played for St Johnstone, was released, then spent the rest of 04/05 playing irregularly for Falkirk.  The following season he had short term contracts with Stranraer and Dundee.  Then he dropped off the radar for a couple of years.

Then, in 2009/10 he reappeared at Tiverton Town in Devon, ready to start a frankly bewildering international journey that saw him play in Spain (Credillente Deportivo, then in the 4th tier), Iceland (BI/Bolungarvík and Vikingur, both in their Premier League), Japan (Machida Zelvia, 2nd tier at the time), Vanuatu (Amicale FC, who reached the final of the Oceania Champions League that season), then back to Scotland for a season at Cowdenbeath, before returning to Vanuatu to play for Amicale again for a season.

The story didn't end there, though.  After a season in Vanuatu, he came back and played for Gartcairn in the 5th tier of the Scottish Junior leagues, and was last seen playing Sunday league football for Drumchapel United.

Once you played for the Mighty Villa and the Bully Wee Clyde, the only way is down really
maybe he just liked travelling. Good way to do it as a young kid- playing football and getting paid along the way. I was on the train home a couple of years ago and was earwigging some young English lads who were obviously cricketers talking shite. Sounded like a great life they had here in Oz.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
Algy, that’s what I call a journeyman.
Great story.

*mutters grumpily under breath*

That's not what journeyman means.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 09, 2021, 09:23:10 AM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.

Indeed but he is older then Bellingham who seems to do ok

This gets thrown out quite often but Bellingham is really a once in a generation talent. Before him, in English terms, it was Rooney. For every one of these there's many who won't make it. If you're spending £27m on an 18-year old, you had better be 100% confident in his technique, his temperament and his ability to adapt. Wasting £5m on Tishbola was a big enough waste of money.
if I remember right, wasn’t Rooney 16/17 when he broke through at Everton and then 19 when he went to Utd? That goal Louie Barry scored in the cup this season against the reigning champions- you’d have to think of him as a similar standard to Rooney at that age. If we look after him right, he could really be a prospect for us if he gets a bit of luck with injuries etc. I’m dying to see him involved in some way next season, but I reckon they’ll assess over pre-season and then decide what to do with him just before the season starts.

Rooney was a brick shithouse of a man from age three. Barry has some filling out to do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2021, 09:26:53 AM
if I remember right, wasn’t Rooney 16/17 when he broke through at Everton and then 19 when he went to Utd? That goal Louie Barry scored in the cup this season against the reigning champions- you’d have to think of him as a similar standard to Rooney at that age. If we look after him right, he could really be a prospect for us if he gets a bit of luck with injuries etc. I’m dying to see him involved in some way next season, but I reckon they’ll assess over pre-season and then decide what to do with him just before the season starts.
Rooney was on a different level completely.  I vividly remember watching that youth cup final game and although Villa overall were the better team, Rooney was head and shoulders better than everyone else.  I remember every time he got the ball, wherever he was on the pitch, expecting him to do something special with it.  Now my wife hates football, but he was that good I remember calling her into the room and saying 'look how good this kid is, just watch him.'  She couldn't give a shit, but I just had to tell someone and we didn't have twitter and forums in those days.  In short he was exeptional, and when he broke into the first team at Everton and then the international stage he continued to be - a truly once in a generation player.

Now, I'm excited about Barry, Chuk etc and have very high hopes for them.  But they are nowhere near where Rooney was at their age.  Nobody is.  Although of course Bellingham is making a superb fist of it and may well go on to have a similarly successful career.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2021, 09:31:06 AM
Algy, that’s what I call a journeyman.
Great story.

*mutters grumpily under breath*

That's not what journeyman means.
In the context of football, I'd say it is.  What's your interpretation Dave?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on June 09, 2021, 09:45:30 AM
Algy, that’s what I call a journeyman.
Great story.


*mutters grumpily under breath*

That's not what journeyman means.
In the context of football, I'd say it is.  What's your interpretation Dave?

Seeing as you ask, my thoughts are: Get released by the Villa and see the world!   ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2021, 09:58:27 AM
if I remember right, wasn’t Rooney 16/17 when he broke through at Everton and then 19 when he went to Utd? That goal Louie Barry scored in the cup this season against the reigning champions- you’d have to think of him as a similar standard to Rooney at that age. If we look after him right, he could really be a prospect for us if he gets a bit of luck with injuries etc. I’m dying to see him involved in some way next season, but I reckon they’ll assess over pre-season and then decide what to do with him just before the season starts.
Rooney was on a different level completely.  I vividly remember watching that youth cup final game and although Villa overall were the better team, Rooney was head and shoulders better than everyone else.  I remember every time he got the ball, wherever he was on the pitch, expecting him to do something special with it.  Now my wife hates football, but he was that good I remember calling her into the room and saying 'look how good this kid is, just watch him.'  She couldn't give a shit, but I just had to tell someone and we didn't have twitter and forums in those days.  In short he was exeptional, and when he broke into the first team at Everton and then the international stage he continued to be - a truly once in a generation player.

Now, I'm excited about Barry, Chuk etc and have very high hopes for them.  But they are nowhere near where Rooney was at their age.  Nobody is.  Although of course Bellingham is making a superb fist of it and may well go on to have a similarly successful career.

I thought Chuk looked miles ahead of anyone else in the youth cup final, just as much as Rooney did in that game. That's not to say he'll have the same career but first half in particular he was practically playing a different game to everyone else.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2021, 10:00:33 AM
Algy, that’s what I call a journeyman.
Great story.

*mutters grumpily under breath*

That's not what journeyman means.
In the context of football, I'd say it is.  What's your interpretation Dave?

It's a term from medieval guilds - it was someone qualified and skilled, but only good enough to be paid by the day (journée).

In the modern context, it's to do with the same principle. Good enough to earn a living, but not much more. You have journeyman boxers for example. It's just coincidence that a footballer who is good enough to earn a living but not much more than that is likely to end up on short-term contracts, probably at a lot of different clubs.

But - you can have a journeyman footballer who has only played for one or two clubs. By contrast, 15-club Rivaldo is not a journeyman footballer. So this chap is a journeyman, but it doesn't have anything to do with the number of places he has played.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
Not for me Paul, nowhere near - but then it was a long time ago.  I'm sure we agree that Chuk is a great prospect though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 09, 2021, 10:24:03 AM
Seen us linked with Josh King today (no quotes so just speculation really).

On paper would be a decent and inexpensive option to cover for Ollie (as opposed to spending £40m on Tammy to sit on the bench unless Ollie gets injured). I do worry why Everton are letting him go after on half a season though, which strikes me as odd.

Also seen us linked with a Man City player that has been on loan at Anderlecht. We have seen rather hit (Beneke) and miss Samatta and Wesley) results with strikers scoring goals in Belgium stepping up. But we do seem to scout that league a lot so maybe there is something in it.

I do think we are likely to bring in cover / competition for Ollie though, as Davis should nt be the only other option and who knows if Wesley will ever be the same player (and he wasn't that good before the injury).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: in exile on June 09, 2021, 10:28:06 AM
Seen us linked with Josh King today (no quotes so just speculation really).

On paper would be a decent and inexpensive option to cover for Ollie (as opposed to spending £40m on Tammy to sit on the bench unless Ollie gets injured). I do worry why Everton are letting him go after on half a season though, which strikes me as odd.

Also seen us linked with a Man City player that has been on loan at Anderlecht. We have seen rather hit (Beneke) and miss Samatta and Wesley) results with strikers scoring goals in Belgium stepping up. But we do seem to scout that league a lot so maybe there is something in it.

I do think we are likely to bring in cover / competition for Ollie though, as Davis should nt be the only other option and who knows if Wesley will ever be the same player (and he wasn't that good before the injury).
He's Norwegian you know?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2021, 10:38:38 AM
I think I heard King was on a lot of money at Everton and the move seemed a little mercenary.

I felt he would have been a sensible signing for us in Jan when we were so light up top and out wide.  But now we have the whole summer to sort out our needs I'd hope we can do better.  Certainly if he's still asking for silly money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2021, 10:50:05 AM
I think I heard King was on a lot of money at Everton and the move seemed a little mercenary.

I felt he would have been a sensible signing for us in Jan when we were so light up top and out wide.  But now we have the whole summer to sort out our needs I'd hope we can do better.  Certainly if he's still asking for silly money.

On a fee transfer and reasonable wages he'd be decent cover for the front three. I'd certainly rather see him come on then Davis.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on June 09, 2021, 10:57:20 AM
Is Samatta coming back from his loan?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 09, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
Is Samatta coming back from his loan?

No deal was for it turn into a permanent transfer I think.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on June 09, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
Is Samatta coming back from his loan?

No deal was for it turn into a permanent transfer I think.

I did read that he was concerned about how he was going to be received back following the meltdown of Tanzanian internet followers of his Villa stay?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 09, 2021, 11:06:58 AM
I think I heard King was on a lot of money at Everton and the move seemed a little mercenary.

I felt he would have been a sensible signing for us in Jan when we were so light up top and out wide.  But now we have the whole summer to sort out our needs I'd hope we can do better.  Certainly if he's still asking for silly money.

On a fee transfer and reasonable wages he'd be decent cover for the front three. I'd certainly rather see him come on then Davis.

Thing is we only really need a player as cover in case Ollie gets injured, or we need a slightly different option. That's why I can't see us paying £40m on Tammy. Free transfer and two year contract would make sense (You would hope Barrie would be coming through by then). He looked good at Bournemouth, and certainly good enough for a back up player.

I still rate Davis, but don't think he should be our only option. Definitely would not want to be relying on Wesley finding form if Watkins picked up a lengthy injury so we need another striker that woul be happy to be on the bench most of the time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: manic-road on June 09, 2021, 11:13:59 AM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villabear on June 09, 2021, 11:16:57 AM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.

He’s been average at best when he’s played. A big no from me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 09, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
The video I saw of Pape Sarr showed him taking free-kicks and penalties but has the frame of the imposing defensive midfielder that I think there is a general consesus that this is a position we should be looking at this summer. We would have to be pretty convinced by him though because at that age, a lot can still go wrong and he would probably need time to adapt.

Indeed but he is older then Bellingham who seems to do ok

This gets thrown out quite often but Bellingham is really a once in a generation talent. Before him, in English terms, it was Rooney. For every one of these there's many who won't make it. If you're spending £27m on an 18-year old, you had better be 100% confident in his technique, his temperament and his ability to adapt. Wasting £5m on Tishbola was a big enough waste of money.
if I remember right, wasn’t Rooney 16/17 when he broke through at Everton and then 19 when he went to Utd? That goal Louie Barry scored in the cup this season against the reigning champions- you’d have to think of him as a similar standard to Rooney at that age. If we look after him right, he could really be a prospect for us if he gets a bit of luck with injuries etc. I’m dying to see him involved in some way next season, but I reckon they’ll assess over pre-season and then decide what to do with him just before the season starts.

Rooney was a brick shithouse of a man from age three. Barry has some filling out to do.

I remember Whiteside playing for Northern Ireland aged 17 in 1982, he looked mid 20s and someone who could pull the team coach along the road.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 09, 2021, 11:27:15 AM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.

He’s been average at best when he’s played. A big no from me.

No from me - another flatter to deceive merchant. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2021, 11:42:07 AM
I still think Luke Moore, at least, could have gone on to have a fantastic career with the right manager to put his arm around him. Instead, we had that twat O'Leary dropping him not long after he scored a hat-trick at Middlesbrough and generally treating him, much as he treated the rest of the club, as an inconvenience.

That said, he still went onto have a more successful career than probably 90% of Premier League Academy players. So did Ridgewell.

More odd with O'neill I thought. Started off 06/07 really well, then did his shoulder at Chelsea and was barely played when he returned in the March of that season. Then signing Harewood basically meant he was out the next season bar the odd start.

No idea if O'Neill thought he should've come back quicker from injury and lost faith but he had his odd ways with players of course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on June 09, 2021, 11:51:33 AM
I still think Luke Moore, at least, could have gone on to have a fantastic career with the right manager to put his arm around him. Instead, we had that twat O'Leary dropping him not long after he scored a hat-trick at Middlesbrough and generally treating him, much as he treated the rest of the club, as an inconvenience.

That said, he still went onto have a more successful career than probably 90% of Premier League Academy players. So did Ridgewell.

More odd with O'neill I thought. Started off 06/07 really well, then did his shoulder at Chelsea and was barely played when he returned in the March of that season. Then signing Harewood basically meant he was out the next season bar the odd start.

No idea if O'Neill thought he should've come back quicker from injury and lost faith but he had his odd ways with players of course.

Moore didn't exactly go onto prove MON wrong either. Think we got about 5m or so from WBA for him so not bad business. Harewood was hopeless.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 12:14:00 PM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.

I'm not sure Abraham would be interested in being Watkin's cover i'm afraid or anyone of his comparable ability. Wherever he goes he'll be the main man.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 09, 2021, 12:19:46 PM
I'm not sure who we'd get as cover, tbh.  Josh King maybe, someone like that.  I'd not be convinced that it'd be a massive upgrade on Wesley/Davis tho am happy to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 09, 2021, 12:23:03 PM
Many tried, he went through quite a few clubs in the end. Remember him scoring the winner for Swansea against Man Sheikhy, years after leaving us. You'd be willing him to push-on and fulfill his potential but it just didn't happen.
remember the blues game at VP early Sunday k.o? He was through with a fantastic shooting chance, but unselfishly squared for JPA who fluffed his lines. I still believe if he’d have smashed it into the back of the net instead of passing it, he may have gone on to better things at Villa. A goal in that match would maybe have bought him a bit of time in the side and lowered any pressure that might have been on him.

Remember that we'll mate

That sounds like an instruction. And seems a tad forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on June 09, 2021, 12:24:16 PM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.

I'm not sure Abraham would be interested in being Watkin's cover i'm afraid or anyone of his comparable ability. Wherever he goes he'll be the main man.

I don't think there is anything wrong with signing players who want and expect to be the number one choice in their position.  Obviously it will be difficult to keep them happy if they're only getting a small amount of game time, but that's easier to handle if you're challenging for honours - which is the main reason it might be difficult to recruit at that level this summer.  Next year, maybe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 12:28:33 PM
I'm not sure who we'd get as cover, tbh.  Josh King maybe, someone like that.  I'd not be convinced that it'd be a massive upgrade on Wesley/Davis tho am happy to be proven wrong.

Man U were rumoured to want him as cover last season. As cover, on a free he's a reasonable option because he obviously can score in the premiership. I wouldn't have a problem with him and Wesley fighting it out with Watkins. I really think Davies has no chance of developing as a striker really and will just block the youth now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 12:32:25 PM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.

I'm not sure Abraham would be interested in being Watkin's cover i'm afraid or anyone of his comparable ability. Wherever he goes he'll be the main man.

I don't think there is anything wrong with signing players who want and expect to be the number one choice in their position.  Obviously it will be difficult to keep them happy if they're only getting a small amount of game time, but that's easier to handle if you're challenging for honours - which is the main reason it might be difficult to recruit at that level this summer.  Next year, maybe.

yep. It's all about levels and at the moment it would be very hard to keep two English 40+m strikers with international ambitions happy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2021, 12:32:46 PM
Many tried, he went through quite a few clubs in the end. Remember him scoring the winner for Swansea against Man Sheikhy, years after leaving us. You'd be willing him to push-on and fulfill his potential but it just didn't happen.
remember the blues game at VP early Sunday k.o? He was through with a fantastic shooting chance, but unselfishly squared for JPA who fluffed his lines. I still believe if he’d have smashed it into the back of the net instead of passing it, he may have gone on to better things at Villa. A goal in that match would maybe have bought him a bit of time in the side and lowered any pressure that might have been on him.

Remember that we'll mate

That sounds like an instruction. And seems a tad forward.

Ha, rogue apostrophe! Sorry Robbo, no pressure!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on June 09, 2021, 12:39:07 PM
A real tricky one this, attracting another player happy to play 2nd fiddle to Ollie , yet ability wise not a million miles away. Good luck recruitment team !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2021, 12:40:12 PM
We only need cover for Ollie if we send Wesley out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 09, 2021, 12:52:57 PM
Seen us linked with Josh King today (no quotes so just speculation really).

On paper would be a decent and inexpensive option to cover for Ollie (as opposed to spending £40m on Tammy to sit on the bench unless Ollie gets injured). I do worry why Everton are letting him go after on half a season though, which strikes me as odd.

I think the problem with King at Everton was that he was shit. Basically a complete waste of time and money. 0 starts, 11 sub appearances, 138 minutes played, 0 goals. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on June 09, 2021, 12:55:32 PM
Seen us linked with Josh King today (no quotes so just speculation really).

On paper would be a decent and inexpensive option to cover for Ollie (as opposed to spending £40m on Tammy to sit on the bench unless Ollie gets injured). I do worry why Everton are letting him go after on half a season though, which strikes me as odd.

I think the problem with King at Everton was that he was shit. Basically a complete waste of time and money. 0 starts, 11 sub appearances, 138 minutes played, 0 goals. No thanks.

An up-front Drinkwater then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 12:58:51 PM
We only need cover for Ollie if we send Wesley out on loan.

*Remembers Samatta and Davies failing to hit a barn door in 2019/20*

Given Wesley has just come back from a major injury and was struggling to adapt anyway, I think we need at least two half decent options in case Watkins is crocked for any period of time

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 09, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
I think the problem with King at Everton was that he was shit. Basically a complete waste of time and money. 0 starts, 11 sub appearances, 138 minutes played, 0 goals. No thanks.

That was my concern, didn't know how he had got on. Thought it might be attitude or wage demands though as he was pretty good for Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on June 09, 2021, 01:00:19 PM
Seen us linked with Josh King today (no quotes so just speculation really).

On paper would be a decent and inexpensive option to cover for Ollie (as opposed to spending £40m on Tammy to sit on the bench unless Ollie gets injured). I do worry why Everton are letting him go after on half a season though, which strikes me as odd.

I think the problem with King at Everton was that he was shit. Basically a complete waste of time and money. 0 starts, 11 sub appearances, 138 minutes played, 0 goals. No thanks.

An up-front Drinkwater then.

LOL
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on June 09, 2021, 01:11:58 PM
A real tricky one this, attracting another player happy to play 2nd fiddle to Ollie , yet ability wise not a million miles away. Good luck recruitment team !

Brad Young? Seems similar style to Ollie, although it may be more beneficial to loan Young out too get a full season of first team action.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
Josh King...no, fcuking way. It's a MON signing. A big man, expensive, with a British history.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 01:44:58 PM
These Chris Woods rumours still seem to be doing the rounds. If Smith blows 30m on him, I'll be a bit bemused/horrified. I suppose he does hit double figures regularly but its a lot of money for a 29 year old reserve
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2021, 01:48:22 PM
These Chris Woods rumours still seem to be doing the rounds. If Smith blows 30m on him, I'll be a bit bemused/horrified. I suppose he does hit double figures regularly but its a lot of money for a 29 year old reserve

Double figures for a retired goalkeeper is impressive.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 09, 2021, 01:51:52 PM
heh. well he's tall enough to be a 'keeper.

And what about the link to Man City superstar Lukas Nmecha?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2021, 02:22:26 PM
These Chris Woods rumours still seem to be doing the rounds. If Smith blows 30m on him, I'll be a bit bemused/horrified. I suppose he does hit double figures regularly but its a lot of money for a 29 year old reserve
It's complete bullshit.  Nobody would be paying £30m for a player like that.  I actually wouldn't mind him as back up if we can't find better alternatives, but I reckon you'd be talking £8-£10m?  I guess Burnley will feel he's worth more than that to them and if so, they can keep him.
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Post by: Des Little on June 09, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
I think it's safe to assume that we are going to be linked with hundreds of players this Summer in the media. 
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Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
heh. well he's tall enough to be a 'keeper.

And what about the link to Man City superstar Lukas Nmecha?

he's a funny one, fantastic record in Belgium and with the German U21s but had a couple of championship loans and did very little of note. On that basis it'd be a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 02:31:00 PM
heh. well he's tall enough to be a 'keeper.

And what about the link to Man City superstar Lukas Nmecha?

he's a funny one, fantastic record in Belgium and with the German U21s but had a couple of championship loans and did very little of note. On that basis it'd be a no from me.

Based on that you'd have also said no to Harry Kane who in two loan spells at Norwich and Leicester played 16 times and scored only 3.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2021, 02:40:57 PM
heh. well he's tall enough to be a 'keeper.

And what about the link to Man City superstar Lukas Nmecha?

he's a funny one, fantastic record in Belgium and with the German U21s but had a couple of championship loans and did very little of note. On that basis it'd be a no from me.

Based on that you'd have also said no to Harry Kane who in two loan spells at Norwich and Leicester played 16 times and scored only 3.

Nmecha has 3 in 53 at championship level which is a record similar to Davis who we'd be trying to replace. Every transfer is a judgement call but I don't think this one would be a good deal for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2021, 02:46:41 PM
I still think Luke Moore, at least, could have gone on to have a fantastic career with the right manager to put his arm around him. Instead, we had that twat O'Leary dropping him not long after he scored a hat-trick at Middlesbrough and generally treating him, much as he treated the rest of the club, as an inconvenience.

That said, he still went onto have a more successful career than probably 90% of Premier League Academy players. So did Ridgewell.

More odd with O'neill I thought. Started off 06/07 really well, then did his shoulder at Chelsea and was barely played when he returned in the March of that season. Then signing Harewood basically meant he was out the next season bar the odd start.

No idea if O'Neill thought he should've come back quicker from injury and lost faith but he had his odd ways with players of course.

I think O'Neill just thought "I've got loads of money to spend I'm not gonna take any chances with youngsters". See also: Steve Davis and Gary Cahill. Agbonlahor was our only home grown regular under MON.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
I’m not advocating for him. I don’t know much about him or if he’d be a fit for us or not. I’m just stating that players don’t all develop in the same way, and often their environment shapes their success or lack of. Ian Wright/Jamie Vardy spent years in the lower leagues before grabbing their chance. Nmecha might not have had decent service while on loan, or it might be that he wasn’t good enough during those spells. But he’s done ok elsewhere so it might not be all him. Lots of players don’t make it first time around and develop well. I bet Chelsea would love to get mulligans on Salah and KDB for example.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2021, 02:50:54 PM
These Chris Woods rumours still seem to be doing the rounds. If Smith blows 30m on him, I'll be a bit bemused/horrified. I suppose he does hit double figures regularly but its a lot of money for a 29 year old reserve

Don't care about the money as I've stated. But don't particularly rate him and hope that our days of buying players because of their physical presence rather than ability (Heskey, Holt) are over. Plus they're terrified of Covid in Oceania so still haven't even started their World Cup qualifying campaign yet. They'll likely have to squeeze in the entire competition (up to ten games) between January and March so he would probably be missing lots of games.

As has been said before, we need to get someone to do what Nilis might have done or to offer what Cavani does for Man U. An experienced star who will still frighten the opposition if he comes off the bench but who doesn't expect to play every game.

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Post by: Dave on June 09, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
heh. well he's tall enough to be a 'keeper.

And what about the link to Man City superstar Lukas Nmecha?

he's a funny one, fantastic record in Belgium and with the German U21s but had a couple of championship loans and did very little of note. On that basis it'd be a no from me.

But if I remember rightly, did get one of his very few goals for Preston against us. As is tradition.
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 09, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
According to The Guardian we're interested in Chelsea's young full-back Tino Livramento. The YouTube clips are impressive, but shy on the defensive part of his game.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 09, 2021, 05:02:43 PM
Left back?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2021, 05:03:45 PM
Left back?

no he's a RB and can play RM. I don't see why we would be interested in him at all.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
Because Smith doesn't rate Guilbert, I imagine.
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Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2021, 06:09:19 PM
If we need cover for Ollie we certainly should be looking for a player better than King, if we want to progress we should be aiming for someone of Tammys ability. We saw how losing our best player for three months affected the teams results so if Ollie was injured for say three months I don't think King is the answer.
Yup, my view too.
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Post by: darren woolley on June 09, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
I think it's safe to assume that we are going to be linked with hundreds of players this Summer in the media. 

I agree with you Des.
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Post by: nigel on June 09, 2021, 06:55:11 PM
These Chris Woods rumours still seem to be doing the rounds. If Smith blows 30m on him, I'll be a bit bemused/horrified. I suppose he does hit double figures regularly but its a lot of money for a 29 year old reserve

Don't care about the money as I've stated. But don't particularly rate him and hope that our days of buying players because of their physical presence rather than ability (Heskey, Holt) are over. Plus they're terrified of Covid in Oceania so still haven't even started their World Cup qualifying campaign yet. They'll likely have to squeeze in the entire competition (up to ten games) between January and March so he would probably be missing lots of games.

As has been said before, we need to get someone to do what Nilis might have done or to offer what Cavani does for Man U. An experienced star who will still frighten the opposition if he comes off the bench but who doesn't expect to play every game.

Chris Woods is perfect for the way Burnley play. He wouldn’t fit into our system which is why I don’t reckon it will happen. I suppose it could be a smoke screen for McNeil, but now we’ve signed Buendia I can’t see that happening now
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Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2021, 07:07:28 PM
I hope if we all just keep calling Chris Wood Chris Woods, that they'll both stay clear of Bodymoor Heath for the rest of their natural.
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Post by: nigel on June 09, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
I hope if we all just keep calling Chris Wood Chris Woods, that they'll both stay clear of Bodymoor Heath for the rest of their natural.

Force of habit for me, as I know a Chris Woods 🙄
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Post by: Eckybloke on June 09, 2021, 08:20:09 PM
We properly got sucked in by the 2002-04 crop. Was reading stuff like Liam Ridgewell was going to be our FA cup winning captain and Moore brothers of course better than Rooney etc when they all came through but big underachievement there with likes of Stephen Cooke completely fading out of game as soon as he got released.

...
The weird one of the whole thing was Scottish midfielder Colin Marshall.  Was sent on loan to Clyde in 03/04, then released.  He then very briefly (for 2 months) played for St Johnstone, was released, then spent the rest of 04/05 playing irregularly for Falkirk.  The following season he had short term contracts with Stranraer and Dundee.  Then he dropped off the radar for a couple of years.


Once you played for the Mighty Villa and the Bully Wee Clyde, the only way is down really

Dundee representing the low water mark of that career. 🤣
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
A real tricky one this, attracting another player happy to play 2nd fiddle to Ollie , yet ability wise not a million miles away. Good luck recruitment team !

That’s where Lange needs to earn his money.  Finding players from random Scandinavian leagues, or wherever, that are both excellent yet happy to be reserves initially.  Striker, left back, right back and random wonder kids should all be under his remit this summer.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2021, 09:23:53 PM
According to The Guardian we're interested in Chelsea's young full-back Tino Livramento. The YouTube clips are impressive, but shy on the defensive part of his game.

If he's as good as Lamptey was when Brighton signed him after his one sub cameo for Chelsea then get him in.

Makes sense to get in young player as back up LB rather than spending 15-20m on someone who'll only play cups.
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 09, 2021, 10:47:10 PM
Was nosing through the players whose contracts are up in 2022.

Giroud would be an excellent addition, experience to help Watkins,wouldn't necessarily expect to start and would actually be a dangerous option off the bench.

Or we could sign Bamford to piss Leeds off.
I read in the Graun yesterday Giroud is staying at Chelski
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Post by: Dave on June 09, 2021, 10:48:48 PM
Was nosing through the players whose contracts are up in 2022.

Giroud would be an excellent addition, experience to help Watkins,wouldn't necessarily expect to start and would actually be a dangerous option off the bench.

Or we could sign Bamford to piss Leeds off.
I read in the Graun yesterday Giroud is staying at Chelski

They had an option to extend his contract by a year, so took it.

Apparently he's quite annoyed as he wanted to move.
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Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2021, 02:41:03 AM
Giroud for a year would be perfect for us but I guess he’s not coming to us to play back-up when he’s already that at Chelsea.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2021, 07:10:18 AM
Think his contract runs until 2022
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 10, 2021, 07:19:46 AM
King on a free seems to bw doing the rounds. Didnt do really well at Everton  and at 29 not sure he is any better than wesley
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Post by: sid1964 on June 10, 2021, 07:56:55 AM
Just read about the Josh King deal - if we sign him then he would be back up to Ollie and there would be no need to sign another forward

Hopefully if true it is only a 1 season deal
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Post by: andyh on June 10, 2021, 08:03:11 AM
King has a slightly better scoring rate than Keinan Davis and will no doubt command 10 times his salary.
I thought we were done with journeymen strikers who don’t score.

No thanks
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
eh? King has scored double figures twice in the Premiership so he's hardly Davis. He's back-up for Watkins and would fight it out with Wesley which on a free transfer isn't a disaster imo.
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Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
Someone needs to come in as backup centre forward so that Keinan can be loaned out to play games. I don't think that it's doing him or Villa any good playing the odd few minutes.

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Post by: dutchvilla on June 10, 2021, 09:01:15 AM
As a back-up striker, I'd rather have King on a free than Wood at £XXM. I really don't see how Wood would fit our style of play at all.
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Post by: andyh on June 10, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
I felt the same. Wood seems a world away from how we play and how we try to play.
Then I had a moment of realisation…..Wood scores goals.
With the right service in an attacking team, he could be quite a handful.

Reminds me of Peter Withe and being the ‘final piece in the jigsaw’.

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Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2021, 09:13:58 AM
eh? King has scored double figures twice in the Premiership so he's hardly Davis. He's back-up for Watkins and would fight it out with Wesley which on a free transfer isn't a disaster imo.

But hardly the bark of a club with top 4 aspirations
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
eh? King has scored double figures twice in the Premiership so he's hardly Davis. He's back-up for Watkins and would fight it out with Wesley which on a free transfer isn't a disaster imo.

But hardly the bark of a club with top 4 aspirations

I'm not sure who people expect as a 3rd choice striker. Apart from the CL clubs who can keep the likes of Cavani and Giroud happy with  the extra European games, I don't think that option was open to us. The only other alternatives was either a punt on a  unproven foreign player in the Samatta/Wesley category or  a lower league guy, or possibly an expensive promising youngster, but again its an expensive risk.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2021, 09:23:49 AM
I felt the same. Wood seems a world away from how we play and how we try to play.
Then I had a moment of realisation…..Wood scores goals.
With the right service in an attacking team, he could be quite a handful.

Reminds me of Peter Withe and being the ‘final piece in the jigsaw’.

Peter Withe and Chris Wood you say :o
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Post by: Monty on June 10, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
United were actually interested in King at one point, and Everton too have aims of Europe.
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Post by: Ger Regan on June 10, 2021, 10:10:40 AM
My main concern with getting the likes of King would be the impact on development of our younger players, although if we're loaning them out to gain experience it might not be an issue next season.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 10, 2021, 10:13:43 AM
eh? King has scored double figures twice in the Premiership so he's hardly Davis. He's back-up for Watkins and would fight it out with Wesley which on a free transfer isn't a disaster imo.

Manchester United were rumoured to be close to stumping up £30m for him 3 years ago, and he was well regarded at Bournemouth who play good football. If we need back up for Ollie and I had to pick between >£20m for a 29 year old from Burnley (used to playing long ball football) and a 29 year old that did well in a decent Bournemouth team both on similar wages I would take King and spend the £20m on a ball winning midfielder.

Left back cover, central defensive cover and cover up front are positions we either need short term deals on older experienced players (like King) or for Lange to find cheaper high potential youngsters from Europe or the lower leagues. And then only if we don't have our own youngsters ready to step up.

The big money signing needs to be spent making our midfield more robust and less lightweight, which despite all the talent has been an issue for years now we get bullied too easily.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2021, 10:18:29 AM
Bournemouth play good football? really?
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Post by: OCD on June 10, 2021, 10:21:22 AM
My main concern with getting the likes of King would be the impact on development of our younger players, although if we're loaning them out to gain experience it might not be an issue next season.

If it's short-term i.e. a 12-month contract, then I can see the sense in it. Gives kids a chance to go out and develop and see whether they're ready in a year's time without blocking their path with a multi million pound signing on a 4-5 year contract. That might be the case in 1 or 2 positions.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2021, 10:24:20 AM
I'd be questioning why Everton, a team we should be aiming to finish above next season, couldn't get rid quickly enough. It's a no from me. I mean I'd rather have him that Chris Wood but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the stomach than kicked in the bollocks.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2021, 10:27:00 AM
King on a free seems to bw doing the rounds. Didnt do really well at Everton  and at 29 not sure he is any better than wesley

His record would suggest he is a lot better than Wesley or Davis. But he had a stinker of a season for both Bournemouth and Everton last season. Looked to be carrying a bit of timber I thought. 
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Post by: Kevin Dawson on June 10, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
I'd be questioning why Everton, a team we should be aiming to finish above next season, couldn't get rid quickly enough. It's a no from me. I mean I'd rather have him that Chris Wood but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the stomach than kicked in the bollocks.

Could be because they've got Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, and Moise Kean due back from loan ahead of him
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
The reality is right now I'd rather have Chris Wood or Josh King on the bench than Wesley or Davies.  Neither would be my first choice and the money suggested for Wood is utterly ridiculous, but if we're after affordable squad depth and Smith is happy with attitude etc, then it would be ok by me.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
we won't be signing either, imho.
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Post by: London Villan on June 10, 2021, 10:51:58 AM
We'll also have Bert as back-up as he is unlikely to start now we have buendia.
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Post by: Rigadon on June 10, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
The reality is right now I'd rather have Chris Wood or Josh King on the bench than Wesley or Davies.  Neither would be my first choice and the money suggested for Wood is utterly ridiculous, but if we're after affordable squad depth and Smith is happy with attitude etc, then it would be ok by me.


I know what you mean.  Those two sound like Marlon Harewood-type signings, which is why I hope we're looking at other options, because we won't push on (like we didn't under MON) with also rans.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2021, 11:49:17 AM
Isn't talk about being better than Davies slightly meaningless?

If opinion is that Davies never scores / isn't anywhere near good enough, then "better than Davies" is setting the bar so low, it's on the ground.
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Post by: Risso on June 10, 2021, 11:50:26 AM
As nice as it would be, I don't think that at this stage of our development we can expect every single signing to be a £30m+ first teamer. Josh King wouldn't be near the top of my list for "must have" players, but as an upgrade for the bench over the likes of Davis, I wouldn't say no.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 10, 2021, 12:05:03 PM
Isn't talk about being better than Davies slightly meaningless?

If opinion is that Davies never scores / isn't anywhere near good enough, then "better than Davies" is setting the bar so low, it's on the ground.

When we were not doing so well last season and there'd be an outcry to change things, I'd look at our bench and wonder why, because there was generally fuck-all on there that could improve us. Spending money on perpetuating that seems like a big fat waste of money to me. If we're going to buy anyone, let them be at least good enough to really threaten the man in possession for his shirt.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2021, 12:06:04 PM
The reality is right now I'd rather have Chris Wood or Josh King on the bench than Wesley or Davies.  Neither would be my first choice and the money suggested for Wood is utterly ridiculous, but if we're after affordable squad depth and Smith is happy with attitude etc, then it would be ok by me.

We don't need to worry about "affordable", we haven't done in three years.

😀
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 12:08:08 PM
Isn't talk about being better than Davies slightly meaningless?

If opinion is that Davies never scores / isn't anywhere near good enough, then "better than Davies" is setting the bar so low, it's on the ground.

When we were not doing so well last season and there'd be an outcry to change things, I'd look at our bench and wonder why, because there was generally fuck-all on there that could improve us. Spending money on perpetuating that seems like a big fat waste of money to me. If we're going to buy anyone, let them be at least good enough to really threaten the man in possession for his shirt.
When we were not doing so well last season and there was an outcry to change things, I'd have liked to have been able to chuck Chris Wood or Josh King on to try and grab us a goal.
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Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2021, 12:18:11 PM
We were linked with King last summer too weren’t we? Think he can play centrally or wide. On a free as back-up, proven he can score goals in the PL (albeit not last year), you can make sense of it.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 12:31:10 PM
Villa linked with Tosin  Adarabioya. 10m.


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-adarabioyo-20781181 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-adarabioyo-20781181)

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Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
Would rather Lewis Grabban back than Joshua King.
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Post by: algy on June 10, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
As nice as it would be, I don't think that at this stage of our development we can expect every single signing to be a £30m+ first teamer. Josh King wouldn't be near the top of my list for "must have" players, but as an upgrade for the bench over the likes of Davis, I wouldn't say no.
Josh King
2012/13 - Hull (Championship) - played 18, scored 1 - age 20
2013/14 - Blackburn (Championship) - played 16, scored 2 - age 21
2014/15 - Blackburn - played 32, scored 2 - age 22
2015/16 - Blackburn - played 16, scored 1 - age 23

Keinan Davis
2017/18 - Villa (Championship) - played 28, scored 2 - age 20
2018/19 - Villa - played 5, scored 0 - age 21
2019/20 - Villa (Premier League) - played 18, scored 0 - age 22
2020/21 - Villa - played 15, scored 1 - age 23

I mean you can argue about whether it’s better to have scored 6 times in 82 games in the Championship or 3 times in 56 games in the Premier League and Championship combined, but I’d still say that at the same age there wasn’t an awful lot of difference, they’re probably about as good as each other, and Davis will likely be an awful lot cheaper. He also has resale value, which realistically King doesn’t.

Not at all against us bringing in another striker, but I think it should improve the squad and I really don’t think that Josh King will do that to any great extent.
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Post by: OCD on June 10, 2021, 12:52:23 PM
How many of those appearances are coming off the bench in the last few minutes and how many are starts?
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 01:07:48 PM
As nice as it would be, I don't think that at this stage of our development we can expect every single signing to be a £30m+ first teamer. Josh King wouldn't be near the top of my list for "must have" players, but as an upgrade for the bench over the likes of Davis, I wouldn't say no.
Josh King
2012/13 - Hull (Championship) - played 18, scored 1 - age 20
2013/14 - Blackburn (Championship) - played 16, scored 2 - age 21
2014/15 - Blackburn - played 32, scored 2 - age 22
2015/16 - Blackburn - played 16, scored 1 - age 23

Keinan Davis
2017/18 - Villa (Championship) - played 28, scored 2 - age 20
2018/19 - Villa - played 5, scored 0 - age 21
2019/20 - Villa (Premier League) - played 18, scored 0 - age 22
2020/21 - Villa - played 15, scored 1 - age 23

I mean you can argue about whether it’s better to have scored 6 times in 82 games in the Championship or 3 times in 56 games in the Premier League and Championship combined, but I’d still say that at the same age there wasn’t an awful lot of difference, they’re probably about as good as each other, and Davis will likely be an awful lot cheaper. He also has resale value, which realistically King doesn’t.

Not at all against us bringing in another striker, but I think it should improve the squad and I really don’t think that Josh King will do that to any great extent.

I don't think anybody is saying King is the answer to our prayers.  And we're not looking at King from 6 years ago nor as an investment, just whether he would add something to the squad next season as a cheap option if we need t spend our funds elsewhere.  If that was the choice, some people are saying they'd rather have King on the bench than Keinan.  But it's all academeic, I'm pretty sure we're not in for him (or Wood) anyway.
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Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2021, 01:32:34 PM
How many of those appearances are coming off the bench in the last few minutes and how many are starts?

Fcuk all. Keinan has had one run in the team at Ch'ship level four years ago. We need to sell or loan him out. With Wesley back and us possibly after another striker, Davis is just never going to start. I understand why Dean keeps him and rates him as he has attributes lacking in our squad but for his own good, he needs to be starting week in-out.
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Post by: ROBBO on June 10, 2021, 01:34:28 PM
Remember agents are casting their nets looking for all players on their books who have been let go, for me it's a non starter.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 01:37:32 PM
Davis should have been developed as a AM.  He makes a contribution there. Playing him as a front man was never going to work. He's not one.
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Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2021, 01:48:15 PM
I'd be questioning why Everton, a team we should be aiming to finish above next season, couldn't get rid quickly enough. It's a no from me. I mean I'd rather have him that Chris Wood but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the stomach than kicked in the bollocks.
Agree with the analogy and the sentiment.
Wood and King both seem to me to be MON-type signings.
We should be buying someone who can challenge Watkins for a place in the side or be complementary to him when brought on. We should be able to rest Watkins for some games, knowing that the alternative is as least as effective. We should be seeking to make the opposition's job of working us out just a little more difficult.
I don't believe now is the right to bring in fillers.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 02:04:45 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?
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Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2021, 02:08:26 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

I'd go with Davis. He's going to come good.
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Yeah, some concerns around King given his time at Everton.  Just can't see anything in the Wood rumours, especially at that kind of price.  Davis needs to go out on loan and Wesley needs a gradual return, so I do think we need to bring in another striker who "can do a job" when required. 

Saying that, we've needed one of those for the past couple of seasons and haven't bought anyone so could see us going with the three we have got.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 02:13:42 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

I'd go with Davis. He's going to come good.
Fair enough.  He's got something about him, but if the worst hapened to Ollie I personally wouldn't want to have to rely on him.
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Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

I'd go with Davis. He's going to come good.
Fair enough.  He's got something about him, but if the worst hapened to Ollie I personally wouldn't want to have to rely on him.

On that we agree. If Watkins were out for 6 months, then no, Davis leading the line is a lot to ask. Though I do think we'd see Buendia score a hatload linking with Davis' hold up play.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 10, 2021, 02:39:47 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?

I'd go with Davis. He's going to come good.

I also think Davis may well come good, and offers something with his hold up play as a second striker. However as a lone striker if Watkins picked up a broken ankle I would be concerned if he were our only option. And the other player we have is a half fit Wesley, who looked abject before he had a severe injury.

We need back up, and impact from the bench. Not that long ago it was Borja Baston, King is a lot better than that. We are definitely improving the depth of our squad these days.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2021, 02:41:21 PM
Our biggest folly since promotion has been our failure to obtain strength in depth up front. They have rectified all our other weaknesses, pretty much. Hopefully they'll do the same here.
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Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2021, 03:02:01 PM
I agree with you E.  But a hypothetical question, if we use all of our budget up on Buendia and, say, JWP and maybe a back up fullback - would you rather go into next season with Wes & Keinan as back up or Wes & King?
Good question, Chris.
I'd like to think that the owners are thinking big - that they see the post-covid period as a time to invest. If so, this would be pointing my thinking toward another strong midfielder (perhaps JWP), a young / up-and-coming defender (the lad at Fulham, perhaps) and a Tammy-type striker who can push as well as complement Watkins.
Total spend this summer would be £130-140m.
The big fly in the ointment of my thinking is that - to date - Smith has shown a reluctance to rotate his players: he would need to, both up front and in midfield, both to keep his players involved and maintain freshness.
Davis would go out on loan; Wes maybe also.
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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 03:04:15 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?

Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 03:09:13 PM
Well, at the risk of CD getting the baseball bat out, I don't think we will be able to spend that sort of money because of FFP. It's all guesswork, but I reckon we've prob got £40-£50m max to play with after Buendia.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd love Tammy and think that is the sort of squad depth we're going to need if we're serious about top 4-6.  I just don't see us being able to go there this summer.

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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 03:15:44 PM
Well, at the risk of CD getting the baseball bat out, I don't think we will be able to spend that sort of money because of FFP. It's all guesswork, but I reckon we've prob got £40-£50m max to play with after Buendia.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd love Tammy and think that is the sort of squad depth we're going to need if we're serious about top 4-6.  I just don't see us being able to go there this summer.

Tammy is a perfect example of a player that I don't want in this window. A very expensive signing is wouldn't be an automatic starter in the only position he has any experience of playing. We need squad depth but I'd rather add players with more versatility so we have more ways of getting as many of our best players in the team at once as we can.
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Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2021, 03:39:07 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?
Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.
Yes, I get your point and I'd add Chuk to your list of players ready and able to play a part in the goals-grab. Who is the Mr Versatility we need, do you think?
Davis needs to go out on loan, IMO: he needs a regular stream of starts where he can build his game and come back either stronger and / or at least more valuable in the transfer market.
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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 03:57:23 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?
Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.
Yes, I get your point and I'd add Chuk to your list of players ready and able to play a part in the goals-grab. Who is the Mr Versatility we need, do you think?
Davis needs to go out on loan, IMO: he needs a regular stream of starts where he can build his game and come back either stronger and / or at least more valuable in the transfer market.

I'd be ok with letting one of Davis or Wes go out on loan until Christmas, both of them could do with a run of games.

As for who I'm not sure, there's lots of players I like the look of that I think could work but they don't come cheaply and the proven ones will have a lot of options. I have said Malen, Gouiri and Thuram a few times though and they'd be my top 3 choices.
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Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
The other thing is we're not in Europe and Dean isn't the biggest rotater anyway...chances are he feels happy with Ollie running his arse off and Wes/Keinan to do a 20 minute job when we're chasing a goal or the odd Cup game.

Can't help feeling we need something else though. A wily, experienced fella more proven than Davis/Moraes who doesn't mind not starting all the time. As someone mentioned the other day, a Luc Nilis now would be sweet as a nut.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 04:28:58 PM
But again was Luc Nilis bought as a reserve? I don't think so seeing he pretty much played every game until his injury
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Post by: Monty on June 10, 2021, 04:34:00 PM
His equivalent would presumably be bought for the squad. Maybe we want half him and half Patrik Berger.
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Post by: Chris Smith on June 10, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
But again was Luc Nilis bought as a reserve? I don't think so seeing he pretty much played every game until his injury

Given he was crocked in his third game I don’t think you can draw any conclusion either way.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 10, 2021, 04:39:01 PM
maybe not but, the point i'm making is an equivalent now like a Giroud would expect a bit more than 10 minutes at the end of game and a run in the cups
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Post by: Smithy on June 10, 2021, 04:43:55 PM
The problem we have, as I see it, is that any prospective signing is going to look at Ollie, look at his goalscoring record since he joined, his recent call-up and think "he's going to be tough to displace in the side", which really narrows the type of player we can realistically attract, and be better than what we have behind Ollie already.

If we're looking for someone who is first-team ready, it'll either be someone absolutely top-notch who genuinely believes he can be the first choice (and will likely be very, very expensive), or someone with a mercenary element to them who would be happy to come and take a big wage knowing they likely won't play much.

The alternative is to find someone on their way up, to supplement what we have, but then they might not be ready/good enough on day one to fill in if they were needed in case of injury.  It's difficult, because we're not quite at the level yet where we can afford to have two equally excellent options for every position, especially with no European football and therefore less rotation.  I mean "afford" as in "keeping them happy", rather than monetarily.
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Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2021, 04:50:45 PM
I wonder how many of these players (https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2021/jun/10/euro-2020-best-young-player-every-squad) are on Lange's 'must buy' list?
Perhaps Conor H has done a Martinez-type job on Ben Cabango, for example.
I like the look of Diveev (CB) and Gravenberch (holding MF).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2021, 04:56:18 PM
maybe not but, the point i'm making is an equivalent now like a Giroud would expect a bit more than 10 minutes at the end of game and a run in the cups

Cavani played in 26 games and started 13. Plus a couple of cup starts and a bunch of European matches. That's the sort of thing I want from our backup.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2021, 04:59:02 PM
Back to the defensive midfielder search, how good is Bissouma? He's being linked strongly with Arsenal. I like Berge at Sheff Utd but apparently they're holding out for the £35m release clause value.
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Post by: darren woolley on June 10, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
I would be all for letting Wes or Keinan go out on loan.
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Post by: AV82EC on June 10, 2021, 05:32:12 PM
Back to the defensive midfielder search, how good is Bissouma? He's being linked strongly with Arsenal. I like Berge at Sheff Utd but apparently they're holding out for the £35m release clause value.

I’d prefer Anguissa over Bissouma, saw some stats analysis on Twitter the other day which suggested he was better in transition going forwards than Bissouma them being on a par with all the defensive Kante type stuff.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2021, 05:58:04 PM
Back to the defensive midfielder search, how good is Bissouma? He's being linked strongly with Arsenal. I like Berge at Sheff Utd but apparently they're holding out for the £35m release clause value.

I'd want change from £35 million if we were buying every Sheffield United player, let alone just one.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2021, 06:05:08 PM
I'd like Bissouma, think he would be perfect.  But sounds like he's got his heart set on Arsenal.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2021, 06:07:09 PM
Back to the defensive midfielder search, how good is Bissouma? He's being linked strongly with Arsenal. I like Berge at Sheff Utd but apparently they're holding out for the £35m release clause value.

I'd want change from £35 million if we were buying every Sheffield United player, let alone just one.

Ha! The Arsenal fans don't seem that excited either. Seems there's us, Arsenal and at least Everton in the market for a defensive midfielder. Anguissa is a good shout, AV82EC.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2021, 06:12:56 PM
I'd like Bissouma, think he would be perfect.  But sounds like he's got his heart set on Arsenal.

More the reason to get him to completely crush Arsenal hopes of ever being relevant again. They probably still think they can get Buendia who will change his mind on the plane back to England.
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Post by: OCD on June 10, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?

Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.

We showed a bit of ruthlessness last summer. I don't think anybody thought we needed another goalkeeper. We went and got Martinez who became such a success that Heaton couldn't get his place back even once he was fit again and has had to leave.

I was also reading something recently, it might have been Jack's press conference and how competition for places (in the context of England in this case), has raised his standards and meant he's had to become a better footballer quicker. Watkins is a guaranteed starter as long as he's fit. He's still improving as a player but he's not exactly having to scratch and claw to keep his place in the team. Then of course he got suspended, missed a game and the general consensus was that he looked a better player for having had a rest.

This could be another case where there's no apparent overwhelming inevitability about needing another striker with the quality to be regularly starting games but such a move could prove to be very canny.
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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?

Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.

We showed a bit of ruthlessness last summer. I don't think anybody thought we needed another goalkeeper. We went and got Martinez who became such a success that Heaton couldn't get his place back even once he was fit again and has had to leave.

I was also reading something recently, it might have been Jack's press conference and how competition for places (in the context of England in this case), has raised his standards and meant he's had to become a better footballer quicker. Watkins is a guaranteed starter as long as he's fit. He's still improving as a player but he's not exactly having to scratch and claw to keep his place in the team. Then of course he got suspended, missed a game and the general consensus was that he looked a better player for having had a rest.

This could be another case where there's no apparent overwhelming inevitability about needing another striker with the quality to be regularly starting games but such a move could prove to be very canny.

Martinez was a very different situation. Yes we had Heaton but he was expected to miss the first 15-20 games of the season so we needed to bring someone in. We probably could've aimed lower but the circumstances forced our hand. Watkins is similar, would we have gone in so big on him if Wesley had played out the entire season and we'd seen more games like the one he got injured in from him.

In this window there's no one who would expect to be a regular starter for us out long term injured that opens a space for a player to get into the team (I like Trez as a player but we had replacements for him in the squad already).

I'm absolutely for having a decent amount of competition for places but there has to be an understanding that it means some players will play less games. With us playing 1 centre forward bringing in another as direct competition where we can only play one or the other has as much potential to be as disruptive as it does to be helpful. 1 Player in who can play up front, wide left or as a 10 (for example) means we have options and they should get plenty of starts whilst they settle in.

I'd prefer every signing we make in this window giving us options to play different ways without completely changing the team so we can keep that feeling of togetherness in the squad but add plan c, d, etc.
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Post by: danno on June 10, 2021, 07:35:47 PM
Joshua King did play wide left for Bournemouth as they had Callum Wilson playing through the middle. Considering 18 months ago his asking price was £16 million, I think him on a free wouldn't be that bad.

I'm not worried about his spell at Everton, his 138 minutes were basically 10 minute sub appearances. Nobody is going to look good with those, unless you're 18 and called Darius.

I think both Wesley and Davis might be loaned out. Wesley needs minutes to rehabilitate and Davis needs minutes to see for himself what he can do. I can't see either of them getting enough minutes here as things stand.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2021, 07:41:15 PM


Martinez was a very different situation. Yes we had Heaton but he was expected to miss the first 15-20 games of the season so we needed to bring someone in. We probably could've aimed lower but the circumstances forced our hand. Watkins is similar, would we have gone in so big on him if Wesley had played out the entire season and we'd seen more games like the one he got injured in from him.

In this window there's no one who would expect to be a regular starter for us out long term injured that opens a space for a player to get into the team (I like Trez as a player but we had replacements for him in the squad already).

I'm absolutely for having a decent amount of competition for places but there has to be an understanding that it means some players will play less games. With us playing 1 centre forward bringing in another as direct competition where we can only play one or the other has as much potential to be as disruptive as it does to be helpful. 1 Player in who can play up front, wide left or as a 10 (for example) means we have options and they should get plenty of starts whilst they settle in.

I'd prefer every signing we make in this window giving us options to play different ways without completely changing the team so we can keep that feeling of togetherness in the squad but add plan c, d, etc.


Indeed.

The difference there as well is from the outset Heaton always looked like a relatively short deal.

He only signed a two year contract after all.

Not his fault he got injured, and he showed enough during those early months to suggest he might have good stint with us. 

But when you sign a 24 year old forward in the prime of his career who then goes on to get full England recognition in his first season with us, spending big darts on another player for the exact same position looks counter productive. Both in terms of team harmony and wasting funds that could be better utilised in other positions.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 10, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
Don't worry. Jack's tapping up Harry Kane as we speak 😊.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 10, 2021, 10:03:28 PM
I'd be questioning why Everton, a team we should be aiming to finish above next season, couldn't get rid quickly enough. It's a no from me. I mean I'd rather have him that Chris Wood but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the stomach than kicked in the bollocks.

Yeah I thought he looked really poor when he came on v us at Goodison. To me he's lost motivation given he was close to going back to Man. United in Jan 2020, didn't do much for Bournemouth in their relegation fight and just bench warming at Everton.

Had no idea he was already 29 aswell, thought he was only 24-25 so surely all those dismissing Wilson last summer on age grounds the same applies here aswell? Yes he's on a free but he'll just demand stupid wages and be tough to shift if we give him 3-4 year deal. We've had a few of those in last decade.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2021, 10:06:04 PM
Bring him in for a year while we see if Wesley or Keinan van Basten are going to be worth keeping. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 10, 2021, 10:10:34 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?
Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.
Yes, I get your point and I'd add Chuk to your list of players ready and able to play a part in the goals-grab. Who is the Mr Versatility we need, do you think?
Davis needs to go out on loan, IMO: he needs a regular stream of starts where he can build his game and come back either stronger and / or at least more valuable in the transfer market.

I'd be ok with letting one of Davis or Wes go out on loan until Christmas, both of them could do with a run of games.

As for who I'm not sure, there's lots of players I like the look of that I think could work but they don't come cheaply and the proven ones will have a lot of options. I have said Malen, Gouiri and Thuram a few times though and they'd be my top 3 choices.

Thuram close to joining Spurs apparently.

Seeing as signing 29 year olds is seemingly allowed now if the King interest is genuine I actually think Lucas Moura could be a good option to look at as seems Spurs want to move him on.

Yes I know he's inconsistant as feck but when he's good he's very good, would given us some good pace on the right, chips in with goals and should be a big name and been there and done it player we could reasonably attract at this point in time so if he wants to stay in premier league we should be looking at him.
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Post by: Dave on June 10, 2021, 10:14:22 PM
(on Josh King...)

I don't see why he would say yes to anything that we'd want to offer him. He's got enough credit in the bank to get a three year contract somewhere. And he only has one of those left in his career at 29.

Palace need a new team. Watford aren't poor. Newcastle love chucking wages at former Bournemouth players. Norwich need a wide forward. Arsenal can't be all that choosy these days.

He can get £6-7m out or someone in wages, and he's probably worth it for someone out there. Just not us.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 10, 2021, 10:15:29 PM
maybe not but, the point i'm making is an equivalent now like a Giroud would expect a bit more than 10 minutes at the end of game and a run in the cups

I think the difference next season is having a back up striker DS is confident to put on at around the 60th minute mark. Or even earlier even if he is allergic to half time subs.

When you look at all Davis sub cameos most of them last season were after 75th mark and many times we'd already put on two subs before him so he really was a last resort option most of the time.

One game that sticks in most of our minds is Burnley away. Dyche put on Vydra at 75th minute mark, we put on Davis in the 88th minute even though the third happened in the 79th minute.

The Fulham game he came on at 67th minute and that's rare example of him getting long enough to make serious impact so we need that faith in backup striker much more next season. If Wes can get his fitness up he can also be an option for that aswell as we can have more than 1 striker on the bench if 9 subs is continuing.
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Post by: algy on June 10, 2021, 10:19:10 PM
Being linked to an £8m move for Watford midfielder Will Hughes.
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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 10:25:47 PM
The problem is if we sign another forward then there's no chance Davis or Wesley get the time to see if they can come good so do we write them both (or at least one) off this summer and if so how good does the incoming player have to be to justify that and how long term a signing does it need to be?
Writing off either to make space for Wood or King would be as disappointing (for me) as just going in with what we have. That's why I keep saying I'd prefer someone who can play in a few different positions to come in as the cover for Wakins. We'll be playing with 3 or 4 attacking players and currently have Grealish, Buendia, Watkins and Traore that would expect to start regularly in those spots, a 5th player who could expect 20-25 league starts but spread across 2-3 of those positions means we can still give game time to AEG, Wes, Davis, JPB and Trez as well as being able to absorb an injury or 2.
Yes, I get your point and I'd add Chuk to your list of players ready and able to play a part in the goals-grab. Who is the Mr Versatility we need, do you think?
Davis needs to go out on loan, IMO: he needs a regular stream of starts where he can build his game and come back either stronger and / or at least more valuable in the transfer market.

I'd be ok with letting one of Davis or Wes go out on loan until Christmas, both of them could do with a run of games.

As for who I'm not sure, there's lots of players I like the look of that I think could work but they don't come cheaply and the proven ones will have a lot of options. I have said Malen, Gouiri and Thuram a few times though and they'd be my top 3 choices.

Thuram close to joining Spurs apparently.

Seeing as signing 29 year olds is seemingly allowed now if the King interest is genuine I actually think Lucas Moura could be a good option to look at as seems Spurs want to move him on.

Yes I know he's inconsistant as feck but when he's good he's very good, would given us some good pace on the right, chips in with goals and should be a big name and been there and done it player we could reasonably attract at this point in time so if he wants to stay in premier league we should be looking at him.

I've seen that but I'm not sure, who is signing him for starters? Would you want to be a manager going into a new club who has very little to spend (given spurs are, to quote Ads "skint pricks") and have signed someone when they didn't have a manager for most of the budget?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 10, 2021, 10:27:42 PM
Being linked to an £8m move for Watford midfielder Will Hughes.

That's just a story planted I reckon to put some pressure on Southampton. Seemed the Buendia deal quickly came together when that story appeared about 10 days ago in a few of the papers we wanted to sign Smith Rowe so saying to the selling club we have more than one target so if you really want the money sell him to us pronto.

Hughes and Ward Prowse signed in the same summer would be very odd as then we'd have endless 8 type midfielders in the squad so doubt it's a true link while there's obviously something in the Ward Prowse link.
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Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
For me it's a no to Will Hughes, he looked a real prospect when he broke through but he hasn't developed enough to be of interest to a team with ambitions to break into the top 6. If anything I can see him being an option for Southampton to replace JWP if we signed him.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2021, 11:10:49 PM
Isn't Hughes also a big racist?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2021, 02:24:47 AM
Isn't Hughes also a big racist?

No. He has a lot of very socially conscious posts on Twitter for example that give the impression he’s the very opposite of that. He retweets a lot of speakers on racism and promotes BLM. He also a lot of charity work with some food banks. There was a story a while back that he followed the EDL. I don’t know if that’s true but you can follow someone and not support what they do, but to educate yourself on the other side of the argument and be in a position to be critical of it. So on the surface at least racism doesn’t appear to be a card he plays.

As for his football I’ve never thought that much of him and outside of when he first broke on to the scene has he really done a lot? I would like to think there are better players out there for whatever he might cost.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2021, 04:17:06 AM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"
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Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2021, 04:57:22 AM
Being linked to an £8m move for Watford midfielder Will Hughes.
No thanks. Howard Hughes would be better in his current state.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 11, 2021, 07:32:55 AM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!
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Post by: algy on June 11, 2021, 08:15:39 AM
Being linked to an £8m move for Watford midfielder Will Hughes.
No thanks. Howard Hughes would be better in his current state.
Yeah, seems an odd one to me.

Also linked to Valentino Livramento from Chelsea. 18yr old right back / right winger in their U23s. Seems vaguely plausible - could offer him a clearer route to the first team than Chelsea can, particularly if Guilbert leaves.
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Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2021, 09:42:36 AM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2021, 09:47:06 AM
I don't believe so.
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Post by: Dave on June 11, 2021, 09:57:21 AM
We were linked with Jordan Rhodes for a bit.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 11, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
Bring him in for a year while we see if Wesley or Keinan van Basten are going to be worth keeping. 

That's pretty much my take on it too. I know Wesley didn't look great first season, but then neither did Nakamba, Targett, Luiz etc. The improvement in many of the players this year is huge (especially Targett), and we paid a lot for Wesley so I would imagine the club will want to at least see if he can gain form now his injury is behind him. A loan for Wesley or Davis and the other getting game time alongside King makes sense. I see it as an insurance policy.

Good as Tammy was for us, that £40m is best spent elsewhere.

Thing with these owners is though, that if they did buy someone that genuinely puts Watkins under pressure for a starting place it wouldn't shock me. I was really surprised when we signed Cash, as I though we had two decent options at right back in Elmo and Guilbert. And was worried we only had Targett and Taylor at left back. I got that totally wrong as Targett was superb last year and Cash was a definite upgrade in the end.

It has been a long time since I was so relaxed about the Villa not making silly mistakes on transfers and finances. The set up we have now is very professional, and the surprises always seem to be good ones these days!
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Post by: andyh on June 11, 2021, 10:10:33 AM
We were linked with Jordan Rhodes for a bit.
👏
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Post by: LeeB on June 11, 2021, 10:11:30 AM
Peter McParthenon.
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Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2021, 10:22:52 AM
Bring him in for a year while we see if Wesley or Keinan van Basten are going to be worth keeping. 

That's pretty much my take on it too. I know Wesley didn't look great first season, but then neither did Nakamba, Targett, Luiz etc.

As Dave II has stated, Josh King is unlikely to be signing any short-term deals. He's 29, he and his agent will be looking for one last fat four-year contract.
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Post by: LeeB on June 11, 2021, 10:27:05 AM
Bring him in for a year while we see if Wesley or Keinan van Basten are going to be worth keeping. 

That's pretty much my take on it too. I know Wesley didn't look great first season, but then neither did Nakamba, Targett, Luiz etc.

As Dave II has stated, Josh King is unlikely to be signing any short-term deals. He's 29, he and his agent will be looking for one last fat four-year contract.

Newcastle it is then.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 11, 2021, 10:30:45 AM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2021, 10:33:06 AM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though
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Post by: stubbsyandy on June 11, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.

Funny!
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2021, 10:41:32 AM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.

Bravo!

*applauds*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 11, 2021, 10:57:23 AM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

It was a tragedy
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Post by: TelfordVilla on June 11, 2021, 11:00:31 AM
Feta acompli
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Post by: LeeB on June 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Boško Kebabalaban
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 11, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
“The Scottish Corfu”
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Post by: Dave on June 11, 2021, 11:08:18 AM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.

Nicely done.
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Post by: OCD on June 11, 2021, 11:40:47 AM
The talk about King all seems to have come about from the Mail reporting that a deal is close. Could be bollocks. It would be good to give Wesley a full pre-season to see how fit he can get. Hopefully with all the football he's missed, he's hungry to play and is working his ass off while everybody else is at the Euro's/Copa America. If he's not I would question his attitude.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 11, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
The talk about King all seems to have come about from the Mail reporting that a deal is close. Could be bollocks. It would be good to give Wesley a full pre-season to see how fit he can get. Hopefully with all the football he's missed, he's hungry to play and is working his ass off while everybody else is at the Euro's/Copa America. If he's not I would question his attitude.

Whilst I would and have questioned his ability, he seems like a good egg and I am sure his attitude will be fine. This management do seem to place a high emphasis on making sure the players have the right mentality as well as the ability / stats. Wish we had taken that approach in our wilderness years, could have saved us a 'Ross McCormack and Scot Hogan' sized plie of cash.
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Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2021, 11:59:30 AM
“The Scottish Corfu”
**applauds**
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Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2021, 12:00:05 PM
Boško Kebabalaban
... beware Greeks bearing gifts ...
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Post by: Hookeysmith on June 11, 2021, 12:04:47 PM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.

Genius
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Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2021, 12:12:42 PM
I'm a bit thick on that one...thought it was a pun on Marmaris but that's Turkish.
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Post by: TonyD on June 11, 2021, 12:13:08 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

It was a tragedy
Yogurt to give them a chance.   
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Post by: LeeB on June 11, 2021, 12:14:00 PM
I think he's referencing the John McElginn marbles
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Yes, the Elgin Marbles
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Post by: OCD on June 11, 2021, 02:43:57 PM
Ezri's looked good when he's filled in at right back. With Elmo having left, Engels likely leaving and maybe Kessler going out on loan for regular first team football, I wonder whether signing Tosin Adarabioyo so that he can provide cover/competition at the back and allow us to move Ezri to right back if Cash is out at any point. Sounds like Adarabioyo could offer good value in today's market.
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Post by: dave shelley on June 11, 2021, 03:22:12 PM
I suppose we'll just have to settle for Fabian Delphi. Or I could just be taking the Pythia.
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Post by: tricky dicky on June 11, 2021, 03:54:11 PM
I suppose we'll just have to settle for Fabian Delphi. Or I could just be taking the Pythia
What the Asp no thanks
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Post by: The Charmer on June 11, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

How much did he urn ?
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Post by: Drummond on June 11, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

How much did he urn ?

Not much, he didn't Troy very hard.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2021, 05:25:19 PM
I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

He was a good player but the asking price was exzorbatant.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
Fucking boo.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 11, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Peter McParthenon.
Marbleless Nakamba.

Oh dear!
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 11, 2021, 07:17:30 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

We had to let him go in the end.  He was RUBBISH!
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Post by: Risso on June 11, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

It was a tragedy

We didn’t Plato his strengths.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 11, 2021, 07:20:32 PM
"I hear you're a racist now, Father"

Feckin Greeks!!

Which leads me on nicely to something I was thinking about last week.  Have we ever had a Greek player?  I have obviously missed it if we have but I honestly can't remember one.

I think we had a Greek on trial once. Obviously wasnt a successful trial though

We had to let him go in the end.  He was RUBBISH!

What did he earn?
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 11, 2021, 07:23:01 PM
There was one.

Costas Alotamoney.
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Post by: Border villan on June 11, 2021, 07:34:15 PM
There was one.

Costas Alotamoney.

Pity he was not ouzoing with class.
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Post by: algy on June 11, 2021, 08:19:14 PM
Wasn't Moussaka Salifou a Greek?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2021, 08:22:19 PM
Wasn't Moussaka Salifou a Greek?

No, he just wasn’t very good
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2021, 08:55:21 PM
I think we should re-sign Danish goal machine Nicklas Hellenicus.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on June 11, 2021, 09:48:31 PM
I think we should end this now kos I want to go to bed
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Post by: Virgil Caine on June 11, 2021, 10:15:19 PM
I think we should re-sign Danish goal machine Nicklas Hellenicus.

Didn’t Euripides shorts off him in a match?


I’ll get my toga
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Post by: geolex on June 12, 2021, 07:17:24 AM
We were linked with Jordan Rhodes for a bit.
👏
We had Alan Hutton who was the Scottish "Corfu"
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2021, 08:31:08 AM
you are all Crete ins😳
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Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
 ... once again this Punatheon shows the Achilles Heel of this thread - it's a load of Minos Bull.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 12, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
I think this punathon has been smashing
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 12, 2021, 05:08:21 PM
Any actual transfer speculation, today?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2021, 05:10:58 PM
Any actual transfer speculation, today?

No but no need to get drachmatic about it. Early days yet.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 12, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
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Post by: OCD on June 12, 2021, 05:27:10 PM
I was quite relaxed about the summer transfer window, thinking it wouldn't be until mid to late July until we started seeing things happen. Then we go and sign Buendia in the first week and now I've become addicted to looking for any sort of talk as to who might be next.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2021, 05:44:33 PM
I was quite relaxed about the summer transfer window, thinking it wouldn't be until mid to late July until we started seeing things happen. Then we go and sign Buendia in the first week and now I've become addicted to looking for any sort of talk as to who might be next.

Me too. I almost posted ‘announce JWP’ on twitter the other day.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2021, 05:53:30 PM
Is JWP a bit of an upgrade on Hourihane?  Good at set pieces but that's about it?  Or am I being harsh on him?
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Post by: Ian. on June 12, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
Is JWP a bit of an upgrade on Hourihane?  Good at set pieces but that's about it?  Or am I being harsh on him?
That’s harsh, he’s a good footballer and would do well for us.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2021, 06:03:45 PM
Genuine question.  Other than free kicks, what would he bring that is any different to what we currently have? Better than SJM?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2021, 06:33:34 PM
Genuine question.  Other than free kicks, what would he bring that is any different to what we currently have? Better than SJM?

IMO a similar type to SJM, but better in possession, obvs good set-pieces, which we lack.
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Post by: garyellis on June 12, 2021, 06:56:31 PM
Genuine question.  Other than free kicks, what would he bring that is any different to what we currently have? Better than SJM?

IMO a similar type to SJM, but better in possession, obvs good set-pieces, which we lack.
I think that is a good assessment when I have watched him. We also have to think what he would bring to our set up not just what he has done at Soton
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Post by: TelfordVilla on June 12, 2021, 06:57:54 PM
He could be the central holding mid. Played full back. Reads the gamexwell.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 12, 2021, 07:01:18 PM
Presses well too but doesn't have the presence we need in midfield I reckon.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2021, 07:06:07 PM
Presses well too but doesn't have the presence we need in midfield I reckon.

Put a top notch DCM behind those pair (McGinn & JWP) allowing them to join in with a front three of Ollie, Jack and Emi. We’d be an absolute nightmare to play against.
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Post by: garyellis on June 12, 2021, 07:16:01 PM
Presses well too but doesn't have the presence we need in midfield I reckon.

Put a top notch DCM behind those pair (McGinn & JWP) allowing them to join in with a front three of Ollie, Jack and Emi. We’d be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Bellingham for me from what I have seen of him would bring so much to our set up. And he misses his family in Birmingham!
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2021, 07:19:02 PM
Presses well too but doesn't have the presence we need in midfield I reckon.

Put a top notch DCM behind those pair (McGinn & JWP) allowing them to join in with a front three of Ollie, Jack and Emi. We’d be an absolute nightmare to play against.
Bellingham for me from what I have seen of him would bring so much to our set up. And he misses his family in Birmingham!



can you imagine!!😳😀
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 12, 2021, 07:19:39 PM
Can also play Right Back.
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Post by: OCD on June 12, 2021, 07:32:54 PM
Southampton have got some of the best running stats and have one of the highest presses in the league, a lot of that is down to him. Having another player in the team like McGinn would really wear opposition teams down.

If we did sign him though, I would start believing the speculation that we've not been impressed with Sanson and that we'll be looking to move him on.

Having Ward-Prowse just sit in front of the defence would be a waste so we would still need someone of that type if we did get him IMO.
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Post by: SteveN on June 12, 2021, 09:23:13 PM
Dendonker would be a decent fit to play in front of the back four.  Can play and is a big lad.  Wolves might be willing to sell to raise funds for new Portugese players.
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Post by: OCD on June 12, 2021, 09:28:17 PM
A younger version of Moutinho for me.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on June 12, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
Dendonker would be a decent fit to play in front of the back four.  Can play and is a big lad.  Wolves might be willing to sell to raise funds for new Portugese players.

Wolves fans think he is awful
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Post by: SteveN on June 12, 2021, 09:54:25 PM
Dendonker would be a decent fit to play in front of the back four.  Can play and is a big lad.  Wolves might be willing to sell to raise funds for new Portugese players.

Wolves fans think he is awful

What would they lknow?  Good enough to be a regular pick for the top ranked international team.
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Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2021, 11:11:19 PM
Dendonker would be a decent fit to play in front of the back four.  Can play and is a big lad.  Wolves might be willing to sell to raise funds for new Portugese players. paying off the money they owe to Jorge Mendes.
Correct it for you.
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Post by: algy on June 13, 2021, 09:05:19 AM
Football insider reckons we "registered an interest" in James Ward Prowse yesterday. I assume that means we're getting ready to prepare a bid.
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Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2021, 09:07:22 AM
Football insider reckons we "registered an interest" in James Ward Prowse yesterday. I assume that means we're getting ready to prepare a bid.
Did they mention anything about 'warchests'?
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Post by: AV82EC on June 13, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
Football insider reckons we "registered an interest" in James Ward Prowse yesterday. I assume that means we're getting ready to prepare a bid.
Did they mention anything about 'warchests'?

Are Southampton “braced”?
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Post by: Rigadon on June 13, 2021, 09:41:34 AM
That's it then.  A clear sign that we are about to swoop.
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Post by: Monty on June 13, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
I love 'braced' and 'swoop'. Southampton apparently with their head between their knees while Villa circle above in the form of an eagle.
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Post by: AllanW on June 13, 2021, 10:14:15 AM
I'm soooooo glad that Sky and the other reputable media are 'all over this'.
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Post by: Mouse Potato on June 13, 2021, 05:14:43 PM
I'm soooooo glad that Sky and the other reputable media are 'all over this'.
Do they ‘understand’  because of one of their sources?
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 13, 2021, 06:12:43 PM
I have had to click on 'hide news from Football Insider' on my news app. In a sea of shit, they are Kings.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2021, 06:17:59 PM
You mean we haven't appointed Nuno, yet?
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Post by: maidstonevillain on June 13, 2021, 06:31:50 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.
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Post by: Dave on June 13, 2021, 06:38:02 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

Carrying Heung-Min Son's suitcases for him?
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Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2021, 06:56:42 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

Carrying Heung-Min Son's suitcases for him?

Because he's coming to keep Harry Kane company.
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Post by: danno on June 13, 2021, 06:58:11 PM
I hope he's there to play golf, or sign for Wolves.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 13, 2021, 07:27:36 PM
Neves?

Press reporting that he is for sale.  A proper DM and ticks lots of boxes with regards to age/experience etc but I’ve no idea if he’s any good.
 
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Post by: Dave on June 13, 2021, 07:37:12 PM
Neves?

Press reporting that he is for sale.  A proper DM and ticks lots of boxes with regards to age/experience etc but I’ve no idea if he’s any good.

He's not really a proper DM. He's basically Douglas Luiz without the work permit issues.

Shields, outlet ball, good range of passing. Sticks one in from 30 yards a bit more often than our version. But we'd be paying £30m for someone who is arguably the same player we've already got.
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Post by: Ads on June 13, 2021, 07:38:12 PM
He's gone off the boil a bit at Wolves too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2021, 07:51:31 PM
Genuinely don't think I saw a single Wolves game last season apart from the drab draw at Villa Park. I've no idea who is any good for them.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Neto was their best player this season.

Think Neves is not as mobile as he used to be.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
Genuinely don't think I saw a single Wolves game last season apart from the drab draw at Villa Park. I've no idea who is any good for them.

Neves is good. Neto is excellent. A healthy Raul up front is very good too. Not a lot after that.
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Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2021, 08:16:36 PM
He's gone off the boil a bit at Wolves too.

Looked like someone wo didn't want to be there anymore last season, I think he's still a very good player but he needs a massive kick up the arse.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2021, 09:29:45 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

I hope nothing Villa related. He's a flannel.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2021, 10:55:29 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

I hope nothing Villa related. He's a flannel.

He's properly crap.
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Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2021, 11:04:50 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

I hope nothing Villa related. He's a flannel.

He's properly crap.

Full on toss.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2021, 11:12:00 PM
Harry Winks spotted at the Belfry. Apparently.

I hope nothing Villa related. He's a flannel.

He's properly crap.

Full on toss.

If this tournament had been played last year he'd have been capped in an inernational tournament, despite being fucking shite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
He's like someone took Eric Cantona's "Water carrier" comment and decided to genetically engineer a human to fit it it.
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Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2021, 12:22:40 AM
More dier than Eric.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2021, 08:34:54 AM
Remember when the commentators would big him up and you would then watch him and think, am I missing  something?
Then it dawns on you that no, he is just ordinary.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on June 14, 2021, 08:46:27 AM
of course the most likely explanation is that he was there simply  to play golf.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 14, 2021, 08:51:33 AM
Yeah if I was a Spurs player i'd be looking at a career in golf
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 14, 2021, 10:13:03 AM
of course the most likely explanation is that he was there simply  to play golf.

My friend plays golf non stop and he said he saw a couple of players there this weekend. Winks was one, I think a few lads from down London way just came up for a round in the nice weather he said a couple of Brentford & watford lads were there too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2021, 10:13:32 AM
Brentford players? We are definitely signing them all, then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 14, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
Brentford players? We are definitely signing them all, then.

Haha almost coated my monitor in coffee!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2021, 06:28:52 PM
Quiet isn’t it?
Not just us, but everywhere.  I guess there’s a lot of football still going on but equally I suspect it is a sign that most clubs are skint.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 14, 2021, 06:42:34 PM
Quiet isn’t it?
Not just us, but everywhere.  I guess there’s a lot of football still going on but equally I suspect it is a sign that most clubs are skint.

I would guess there are a lot of deals in principal agreed but nothing will be signed until post euros. Would man City pay 100 million plus for kane when he could very well pick up a horrific injury in the next 2 weeks?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2021, 06:53:52 PM
Quiet isn’t it?
Not just us, but everywhere.  I guess there’s a lot of football still going on but equally I suspect it is a sign that most clubs are skint.

I would guess there are a lot of deals in principal agreed but nothing will be signed until post euros. Would man City pay 100 million plus for kane when he could very well pick up a horrific injury in the next 2 weeks?

Very good point.  That injection of cash would then lead to spurs signing… who in turn buy …and so on.
Any economists out there?  Are we better making bids when there’s no liquidity in the market (normally deflation right?) or wait until someone shows their hand?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2021, 10:09:03 PM
Isak from Sweden might be a decent option for a forward signing.

Currently at Sociadad, I think.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 14, 2021, 10:47:20 PM
Isak from Sweden might be a decent option for a forward signing.

Currently at Sociadad, I think.

Touted him as an option on here when he was in the Dutch league on loan from Dortmund a few years back. Think we took a punt in Wesley instead if I’ve got the timeframe right.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2021, 11:53:14 PM
Isak from Sweden might be a decent option for a forward signing.

Currently at Sociadad, I think.

Touted him as an option on here when he was in the Dutch league on loan from Dortmund a few years back. Think we took a punt in Wesley instead if I’ve got the timeframe right.

17 goals in 34 games last season.

Not a realistic signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2021, 12:06:15 AM
That Switz guy, Breel Embolo, who was running through the Welsh midfield like they didn't exist, weren't we linked with him before? Seems like he has had injury problems in the past but could be one to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2021, 12:13:42 AM
That Switz guy, Breel Embolo, who was running through the Welsh midfield like they didn't exist, weren't we linked with him before? Seems like he has had injury problems in the past but could be one to keep an eye on.

Definitely linked but I’ve no idea how realistic
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:07:12 AM
Thought Glen Kamara had a good game for Finland in the ill fated Denmark game.

Sure we were linked to him the summer we came up and maybe even last season aswell.

Looks a reasonably mobile DM and his short and long range passing was decent.

Good european experience with Rangers and guess what, he was in Arsenal reserve team with Emi who seems to be our second DOF these days.

10m + Nakamba looks interesting deal to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:09:26 AM
Isak from Sweden might be a decent option for a forward signing.

Currently at Sociadad, I think.

Someone we should've looked at in summer 2019 imo if we wanted up and coming forward. Real Sociedad signed him for around 7m!!

Barcelona were linked 12 months back and Dortmund have buy back clause apparently.

He also isn't leaving being first choice at top 6 cup winners to warm the bench behind Ollie here either so same arguments as Tammy Abraham really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:11:10 AM
That Switz guy, Breel Embolo, who was running through the Welsh midfield like they didn't exist, weren't we linked with him before? Seems like he has had injury problems in the past but could be one to keep an eye on.

Yeah summer Benteke left we were linked to him and another striker from Belgium who ended up at Watford but played about 3 games.

Nice dodge until you realise we then signed Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 01:13:08 AM
Are the Belgian Mpenza brothers still about? If Pandev is still banging them in for the North Macedonians...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:21:00 AM
Are the Belgian Mpenza brothers still about? If Pandev is still banging them in for the North Macedonians...

Ended his career playing in Azerbijan, Switzerland and Plymouth Argyle as you do.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-belgium-international-star-emile-597902
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 15, 2021, 07:18:14 AM
Are the Belgian Mpenza brothers still about? If Pandev is still banging them in for the North Macedonians...

You just want to sign another Emi...

Think the other one was called Mpo or Mbo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on June 15, 2021, 08:12:13 AM
Let’s not go Euro’s shopping… do we need the next Jordi Cruyff? Smith has said PL experience players so that’s probably what we are looking for
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 08:19:45 AM
Let’s not go Euro’s shopping… do we need the next Jordi Cruyff? Smith has said PL experience players so that’s probably what we are looking for

Has he? I've only seen The Man Who Can't Spell Greg say it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 10:09:58 AM
I hope that's not the main pre-requisite. If so, why bother hiring Lange? The new Neil Taylor, Steve Watson or Nicky Shorey rocking-up would put a dent in all our summers. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on June 15, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
We should rather try get Gabigol from Flamengo - his style is improving looking more suited for Europe since his early start. Would mix with our other South Americans well (i assume)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 15, 2021, 11:14:41 AM
I doubt we'll sign two players from Flamengo and Giorgian De Arrascaeta in the Barkley position suits are needs more.

Shit, he tested positive for Covid a couple of weeks back so has missed out on playing for Uruguay in the Copa America.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 11:39:55 AM
Villa Transfer Rumour Traffic-lights – Summer 2021

Feel free to amend the categorisation as news comes in. Plainly all GREEN ones cannot all happen in any position as we probably only need one of them.

* Many transfers will wait until after the Euros/Copa tournaments to be finalised.
* Many, many UK and European clubs do not have the funds after Covid to spend big.

Reasons for categorisation can come in many forms;

- we don’t need a player in that position at the moment,
- we know the player does not want to move/come to us,
- we know their club does not wish to sell that player and can resist offers,
- we know the Villa does not have the money (LOL),
- we know the selling club do not need the money,
- we know the player is far too crap for our current setup
- we know the player is far too over-valued for us to want to buy
- we know the player is a wrong ‘un
etc
 

Categorisation;


RED = 2 or more reasons the rumour is bullshit.

AMBER = at least one reason the rumour is bullshit

GREEN = can’t find a reason the rumour is bullshit so it might be true.

BLUE = nailed-on ‘gonna happen’, no question.

Defense

IN - Tivo Impedimento – Chelsea right back/wing-back. AMBER; we don’t need him after Cash and Guilbert

IN - Axel Tuanzebe – Manyoo injured reserve. RED; too expensive, no swap deal in the offing, better options to replace Engels are around.

IN - Ashley Banjo – Fulham centre back. GREEN;

IN – Borna Barisic – Rangers LB. AMBER; not needed unless Targett is to be demoted.
 

Midfield

IN - Hughes – Watford DM. RED; not good enough, agent stirring again this Summer same as last.

IN - Turnbull – Celtic CM. AMBER; too expensive for what he is.

IN - James Ward-Prowse - Soton DM. GREEN; possibly too much hassle and expense to prise him away.

IN - Hudson-Odoi – Chelski wing/midfield. RED; too crap at any price, not needed in position, overhyped valuation, etc etc etc
 
IN – Harry Winks – Chelski DM. GREEN;

IN – Josh King. Free transfer AMC. RED; don’t need him if Jack is not going, too crap for us.


Attack

OUT – Jack – AMBER; no indication yet he will force a move.

IN – Emi Buendia – right wing/10. DONE

IN – Edouard Odsonne – Celtic CF. AMBER; overvalued.

IN – Tammy Abraham – Chelski CF. GREEN;
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on June 15, 2021, 11:48:26 AM
Harry Winks. Harry Winks. Are you certifiably insane.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 15, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
can we have a section where the transfer rumour is red/amber just to keep it accurate with the traffic light sequence. Or maybe green with a walking man means Fabrizio Romero has mentioned "here we go!"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 11:52:01 AM
can we have a section where the transfer rumour is red/amber just to keep it accurate with the traffic light sequence. Or maybe green with a walking man means Fabrizio Romero has mentioned "here we go!"

Ha, he is a sort of John Percy for everyone else isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 11:52:58 AM
Harry Winks. Harry Winks. Are you certifiably insane.

Possibly. I try to keep away from clinical psychologists if that's what you mean :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 15, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
can we have a section where the transfer rumour is red/amber just to keep it accurate with the traffic light sequence. Or maybe green with a walking man means Fabrizio Romero has mentioned "here we go!"

Ha, he is a sort of John Percy for everyone else isn't he?

Aye, not sure if he's ITK or a massive spoofer. probably a bit of both.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 12:01:11 PM
I quite like this traffic light system, good work.🙂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Aye, not sure if he's ITK or a massive spoofer. probably a bit of both.

I can confirm I am not 'in the know'. Just judgmental and opinionated.
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Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 12:03:05 PM
I quite like this traffic light system, good work.🙂

Footy Vill would love it. Hope he's having a pleasant summer vacation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
Aye, not sure if he's ITK or a massive spoofer. probably a bit of both.

I can confirm I am not 'in the know'. Just judgmental and opinionated.

I live with someone like that. More than happy to arrange for a drink between the two of you!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 12:10:58 PM

I can confirm I am not 'in the know'. Just judgmental and opinionated.

I live with someone like that. More than happy to arrange for a drink between the two of you!

I thought judgmental and opinionated was a tick-box before creating a signin name here ...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 01:06:38 PM
How is Odsonne overvalued at the £15m-ish he'd cost but Abraham isn't at the £35-40m he'd cost?
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 15, 2021, 01:21:08 PM
Can the green list change to the amber list at short notice and no apparent reason, apart from some foppy haired twat and his mates?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdward on June 15, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Yeah righto mate, let's sign Tivo Impedimento and Ashley Banjo.
Blues or Albion? Or i am just missing your sense of humour.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 01:30:50 PM
How is Odsonne overvalued at the £15m-ish he'd cost but Abraham isn't at the £35-40m he'd cost?

Because Odsonne is wanted by a number of clubs who could buy him and the price will therefore be over £20m while Tammy is only coming to us or being used as a makeweight in a swap deal so will go for around £30m. One is overvalued and one about right for their skillsets IMO. But feel free to change the traffic signal; they're not set in stone :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 01:35:45 PM
Yeah righto mate, let's sign Tivo Impedimento and Ashley Banjo.
Blues or Albion? Or i am just missing your sense of humour.

Neither club; you're just missing the humour. Those names are jokey ones for the actual Chelsea academy right back Valentino Livramento who we've been linked with and the actual Fulham centre back Tosin Adarabioyo equally whose names are exotic so us average dumb footie fans need them to be standardised. It's a joke but falls flat if you have to explain it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 01:37:14 PM
I wouldn't open with it!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2021, 01:48:22 PM
I wouldn't open with it!

Might go down well at Bernard Manning’s club?

Foreigners eh? Haven’t they got funny names?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 01:59:48 PM

Might go down well at Bernard Manning’s club?

Foreigners eh? Haven’t they got funny names?

You win. Well done. You're far more virtuous, noble and politically correct than I am. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2021, 02:17:59 PM

Might go down well at Bernard Manning’s club?

Foreigners eh? Haven’t they got funny names?

You win. Well done. You're far more virtuous, noble and politically correct than I am. Congratulations.

Thanks. Anti-racist will do if you want to save time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AllanW on June 15, 2021, 02:30:24 PM
Thanks. Anti-racist will do if you want to save time.

Nah. Wannabee 'White Knight', sanctimonious prig and all-round killjoy is nearer the mark. Bye.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 02:31:59 PM
Thanks. Anti-racist will do if you want to save time.

Nah. Wannabee 'White Knight', sanctimonious prig and all-round killjoy is nearer the mark. Bye.

wow, all a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on June 15, 2021, 02:35:03 PM
Thanks. Anti-racist will do if you want to save time.

Nah. Wannabee 'White Knight', sanctimonious prig and all-round killjoy is nearer the mark. Bye.


Absolutely no need for that AllanW....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 02:37:28 PM
I think AllanW's been picked-on here before, understandable if he's a bit sensitive.
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Post by: Legion on June 15, 2021, 02:39:59 PM
Enough of that please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Would it be a transfer thread without a little drama!?

Read it in boris johnsons voice. That takes the edge off it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 15, 2021, 03:24:53 PM
The link to that Rangers left back, Borna Barisic, is interesting if true.  I've not seen him play, but he sounds like an attacking wing-back type, a bit like a left-sided Matty Cash.

Are we just going for hammering every team 6-3?  Cos I'm absolutely down with that kind of caper.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2021, 03:35:36 PM
I think AllanW's been picked-on here before, understandable if he's a bit sensitive.

“The man admitted it was his fault as he’d been run over before”.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 03:52:29 PM
As Legion says, let's leave it all there and move on please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2021, 04:54:00 PM
Anyway, apparently Roma have had a bid for Granit Xhaka turned down and are also interested in Douglas Luiz..... That was on the BBC so probably GREEN, or maybe FLASHING AMBER. (Though that last one does sound a bit Blackpool on a 1990's stag do.)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 15, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
I suspect Roma would have to offer a lot more of their transfer budget for Doug than they would like. Besides, unless he has other motives for wanting to move there, why would he swap one project with proven upward mobility for another which hasn't demonstrated anything yet other than rhetoric?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
Thought Glen Kamara had a good game for Finland in the ill fated Denmark game.

Sure we were linked to him the summer we came up and maybe even last season aswell.

Looks a reasonably mobile DM and his short and long range passing was decent.

Good european experience with Rangers and guess what, he was in Arsenal reserve team with Emi who seems to be our second DOF these days.

10m + Nakamba looks interesting deal to me.

Good shout, he's a decent player capable of playing at a higher club level
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 15, 2021, 08:25:36 PM
Daily Mail claiming Ashley Young could be on his way back to the Villa.
Can’t see this happening.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 08:27:07 PM
I could live with it as full back cover, on the basis he would be the sort of full back I like, ie one that doesn't bother defending.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2021, 08:46:33 PM
Welcome back Ashley Young.

As cover I have no issue with this at all
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 15, 2021, 08:57:10 PM
Some short-term deals may help kids come through and he can play left back or left midfield so it might not be a bad shout.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on June 15, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
Daily Mail claiming Ashley Young could be on his way back to the Villa.
Can’t see this happening.



Need cover ay left back to be fair
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 09:04:19 PM
Yes, the prodigal son returns! Ash, we loved you. And we can do so again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2021, 09:19:07 PM
Add me to those happy to have him around as experienced cover for a year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 09:20:08 PM
His attitude was always brilliant. Great back up at LB and on the wing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 09:23:16 PM
Yep, he'd be fantastic cover for a year or 2, I think a lot of our players could learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 09:37:12 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2021, 09:40:34 PM
He's just won the Scudetto, so I think he deserves a lot of credit. He must have looked after himself pretty well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2021, 09:43:46 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 09:48:33 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

If we're looking for an older midfielder from Man Utd I'd go for Matic not Mata.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 09:50:21 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

No, though, he isn't the same as we remember him, he's reinvented himself as a full back, a position in which we are short of cover.

Having someone like that around the youth lads might be useful, too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 09:51:28 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

And he's not going to be getting £4m per year wherever he goes.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2021, 09:51:50 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

If we're looking for an older midfielder from Man Utd I'd go for Matic not Mata.

Let's have both!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2021, 09:53:25 PM
This story is certainly picking up some steam in the media. If we are legitimately one of his choices he can do a lot worse than finish his career with us. Leadership in spades, still has bags of ability even if it isn’t every week. Won’t be a distraction at all. Count me in.
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 15, 2021, 10:00:08 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

If we're looking for an older midfielder from Man Utd I'd go for Matic not Mata.

Wouldn’t say no Matic as the DF in a three man midfield, let SJM and Luiz/Sanson the freedom to get forward
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Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

If we're looking for an older midfielder from Man Utd I'd go for Matic not Mata.

Wouldn’t say no Matic as the DF in a three man midfield, let SJM and Luiz/Sanson the freedom to get forward

Luiz could learn a lot from him as well.
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Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 10:04:08 PM
I reckon Matic needs to retire to a slower paced league. He's gone from one-paced to stationary over the last couple of years.
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 15, 2021, 10:04:59 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

If we're looking for an older midfielder from Man Utd I'd go for Matic not Mata.

Wouldn’t say no Matic as the DF in a three man midfield, let SJM and Luiz/Sanson the freedom to get forward

Luiz could learn a lot from him as well.

Very true, also the likes of young Chuck too, can’t see it though to be honest as we don’t seem to buy older heads these days
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

Ex-London defender, won everything, legs have gone, one last payday.....


....Captain, Leader, Legend.
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Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 10:06:46 PM
I reckon Matic needs to retire to a slower paced league. He's gone from one-paced to stationary over the last couple of years.

I think he could manage 1 more year as a bit part player but he is right on the edge and I'd definitely only offer him a 1 year deal, same with Young though. I just think that with players like Chuk coming through we can afford to have 1-2 older heads in the squad who are just there to help the kids develop.
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Post by: algy on June 15, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
Add me to the list of people who'd happily have Ashley Young back for a final fling.  Think he'd be handy to have as cover on the left hand side, and a good experienced head to have around the squad for a season or two. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 10:20:02 PM
I reckon Matic needs to retire to a slower paced league. He's gone from one-paced to stationary over the last couple of years.

I thought he'd be a cert for Roma actually but seems Mourinho obssesed with signing Xhaka for some reason.

Matic not got enough to be starter in prem anymore.

As for Young I think he'll end up back at Watford so not fussed but makes more sense than just spending 15-20m on a reserve LB which makes no sense to me given the frequent calls for Rico Henry on here or elsewhere.

I'd personally just sign a CB who's comfortable at left back so solve two issues that way.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2021, 10:37:23 PM
He sold his soul to the red filth. Loved him when he was here but he is dead to me

No ta
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 10:40:29 PM
He kept playing for quite a while when he could have tried to force a move, as others did. One of them is regarded a Villa legend. In any case, given that he had only one year left on his contract, the club were probably practically packing his bags for him when they gave us seventeen million quid, depressing though that may seem.

I don't bear a grudge like I do with, say, Delph. And I hate those red gobshites more than I hate the Irish band.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 10:42:27 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

Two different train conductors have told me that I look like Juan Mata*. On that basis, I'm in. As for Young, the more the merrier.

*Fuck you and your imagination, LeeB.
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Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 10:46:55 PM
We could do worse than offer a one to two year contract to the likes of Ashley Young and Juan Mata. Been there, done it, will teach the kids.

Two different train conductors have told me that I look like Juan Mata*. On that basis, I'm in. As for Young, the more the merrier.

*Fuck you and your imagination, LeeB.

I didn't know how inclusive of sight impairment they are in the railways, good on them!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
A friend of mine is a train conductor.

She's always pissed.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 10:54:46 PM
I'm struggling to picture Juan Mata's face on the body of Adrian Chiles. God really does work in mysterious ways.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 10:57:56 PM
It's not me that I'm angry for, it's the memory of Bob Crow.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:01:37 PM
You're beautiful inside, my friend.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2021, 11:04:12 PM
If only that were true.
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 11:05:13 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

And he's not going to be getting £4m per year wherever he goes.
What do you think 70-75k per week equates to?
He won’t be signing for anyone for less.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:08:57 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

And he's not going to be getting £4m per year wherever he goes.
What do you think 70-75k per week equates to?
He won’t be signing for anyone for less.

We'd have been paying Terry that back in the Championship, or near enough.
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 11:19:07 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

And he's not going to be getting £4m per year wherever he goes.
What do you think 70-75k per week equates to?
He won’t be signing for anyone for less.

We'd have been paying Terry that back in the Championship, or near enough.
True, and I totally agree.
However, we were on a different journey then, and if we are being brutally honest, it probably contributed to nearly bankrupting us.

I loved Young first time around..until he had his head turned by the theatre of dreams.
I just wonder if some of us are thinking with our hearts rather than our heads.

I wonder what John Carew is up to these days? Probably too busy hob-knobbing with royalty to consider a comeback.



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Post by: Dave on June 15, 2021, 11:20:31 PM
Not too fussed on Young. It smacks of Cashley  Cole going to derby for one last payday. I doubt 35 year old Ashley Young  is the same that we remember from years ago.
 Wages of what, £3-4m for 12 months ?

No ta.

He won the league last year, obviously people can decline rapidly once they reach a certain age, but there is nothing in his career yet that suggests that he is only after "a pay day". Cole had already been underwhelming at Roma before going to Derby whereas Young has just featured regularly in a title winning team.

And he's not going to be getting £4m per year wherever he goes.
What do you think 70-75k per week equates to?
He won’t be signing for anyone for less.

He's 35 years old and being linked with Burnley and Watford.

In the same way that Derby were not paying Rooney the £200,000 per week he once got and Blackburn are not paying Downing £100,000.

The wages that players command diminish as they get older.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:23:41 PM
We've done a lot of really good 'using our head' business, we've made a bit of space for romance I reckon.

But seriously,  he's a top pro, if you're going to do a deal like that he's the type you do it with.
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
Ok…I give in.
I understand his flexibility across the back line and I’m sure he’s kept himself in tip top condition.
And he will add experience and raise the profile of the club.

I’m in.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2021, 11:31:15 PM
Good man. He'll sign for Watford now.
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Post by: andyh on June 15, 2021, 11:32:16 PM
Probably…….on £2k a week and be a bloody revelation!!
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Post by: ROBBO on June 15, 2021, 11:34:00 PM
Nah, not the direction the clubs heading, loved him when he was here but lets not look back.
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Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2021, 11:36:39 PM
I think the other important thing to remember here is that, if Kalinic and Hourihane leave as we expect, our oldest player is 28 and we were already the youngest squad in the league when Heaton, Elmo and Taylor were propping up the average. We are one of a few clubs that can afford to have a couple of older heads in the squad who only play 1 game in 3/4 but are there to help build the winning mentality in the squad and give us experienced cover whilst a few youngsters develop more.
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Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2021, 11:43:57 PM
A friend of mine is a train conductor.

She's always pissed.



Extra apt given the talk of lookey-likeys (our Mr Woodhall and Mel Smith)
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Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2021, 11:44:16 PM
Him and Milner would do.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 12:39:05 AM
Probably…….on £2k a week and be a bloody revelation!!

You bastard Andy. You’re skepticism was the final piece in the jigsaw. Now he’s going to play in the claret and blue of Burnley. Thanks a lot.
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Post by: Matt C on June 16, 2021, 01:26:36 AM
Young would make a lot of sense. Aside from needing some more options in the fullback positions he’s a top pro and an experienced head - we didn’t have many of those to begin with and we’ve just said goodbye to another three.
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Post by: Villafirst on June 16, 2021, 06:13:01 AM
No transfer fee involved for Young. He's still quick and kept himself in shape, so perhaps a 1 year deal with a further 1 year option? I'm sure wages won't be an issue. I think he'd be a good influence on the younger players with tons of know-how and experience.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 16, 2021, 06:17:57 AM
A lot of Man U fans were saying his legs had gone 2 years ago. Not saying that's correct as he wasn't their favourite player at the best of times but maybe the pace of Serie A is a bit kinder to the older footballer?
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Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2021, 07:16:37 AM
It's a interesting idea (Ashley Young) but dont we need to be at the stage where players are competing for places instead of being a back up option? Unless maybe, they have someone in the Under 23's who they think can step up in a year or two's time and they bring Ashley in until then?
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Post by: Pat Mustard on June 16, 2021, 08:07:17 AM
It's a interesting idea (Ashley Young) but dont we need to be at the stage where players are competing for places instead of being a back up option? Unless maybe, they have someone in the Under 23's who they think can step up in a year or two's time and they bring Ashley in until then?

Players who are going to be able to directly compete with our fullbacks will come at a heavy price though - Cash, and particularly Targett, were brilliant last season and I can't think of many players who we could bring in who would replace either as first choice.  Kessler also looks like he will be a good long-term option, so would have thought he will go out on loan this season to get some first team experience and come back ready to compete for a place in the starting team next year. 

Given that he can cover both flanks Young for 1-2 seasons would be a great option - even at 35 he is still a significant step up on Elmo.  He also adds a lot more threat with his set-piece delivery, which Jack clearly mentioned as an area we need to improve upon a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 16, 2021, 08:10:15 AM
Yeah i dont mind having young back for a season or two. Still a decent player
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Post by: mr underhill on June 16, 2021, 08:33:49 AM
no thanks - Don't look back
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 16, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
I don’t see much risk attached to bringing in Young for a season, assuming he was keen on the move and accepts he won’t be among the top earners. I think he’d be a good fit. Not really fussed either way, but would be happy if we got him for a season, maybe two seasons. It’s a bit like when Terry came, except I was dead against that at the time but he did win me over. We can expect a similar level of professionalism from Young, he’s a class act.
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Post by: placeforparks on June 16, 2021, 09:18:44 AM
It's a interesting idea (Ashley Young) but dont we need to be at the stage where players are competing for places instead of being a back up option? Unless maybe, they have someone in the Under 23's who they think can step up in a year or two's time and they bring Ashley in until then?

Players who are going to be able to directly compete with our fullbacks will come at a heavy price though - Cash, and particularly Targett, were brilliant last season and I can't think of many players who we could bring in who would replace either as first choice.  Kessler also looks like he will be a good long-term option, so would have thought he will go out on loan this season to get some first team experience and come back ready to compete for a place in the starting team next year. 

Given that he can cover both flanks Young for 1-2 seasons would be a great option - even at 35 he is still a significant step up on Elmo.  He also adds a lot more threat with his set-piece delivery, which Jack clearly mentioned as an area we need to improve upon a couple of weeks ago.

agree with all of this.

we also had the youngest squad in the premier league last season, and elmo, heaton and taylor have left since. some experience will be useful.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 16, 2021, 09:30:53 AM
I reckon Matic needs to retire to a slower paced league. He's gone from one-paced to stationary over the last couple of years.

Yeah his legs are basically concrete now
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Post by: clash city rocker on June 16, 2021, 09:31:37 AM
Who ever the club try and sign is  fine by me. Our transfer activity is on a different planet to what it was. Now heres a question. What was the cost of our squad and what would it be valued at today. I dont know the answer but I am sure someone in the parish will have a good idea.
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Post by: not3bad on June 16, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
Apparently Jack is a big fan of Ashley Young. If it makes him happy, it can't be that bad.
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Post by: Villa Lew on June 16, 2021, 09:39:13 AM
Ashley Young is a no from me even as cover, he's 36 in a couple of weeks, he was past his best, when he last played for Man United 2 years ago.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
no thanks - Don't look back

Gordon Cowans, Ian Rush, Mark Hughes?

I try to avoid strict rules like "don't buy from a certain club", "don't buy a returning player",  etc, as you can always find exceptions like above. Judging the transfer on its own merits I see few downsides to this and potential benefits to the squad and to our young players' development. They'll be inspired by having him around but know he won't be in their way for too long. It's a yes from me.

That said, I assume Watford/Burnley/Inter Miami or whoever would offer him first team football which I don't think we can guarantee. So I'll be surprised if he comes back.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 09:55:39 AM
Overall last season he played 44 times for Inter Milan, 26 of which for a side that won Italy’s Serie A by a mile. He’s not done by a long stretch. Like Milner he’s kept himself in superb condition, changed his position successfully which has ultimately prolonged his career that speaks to his overall attitude. Should be come here he will coming to compete for a starting spot which will only make Matt Targett better. Here is a bit from his time in Italy. He still looks really good.

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Post by: Drummond on June 16, 2021, 09:57:30 AM
He's a proper professional with a winning mentality, a successful career and he understands the club and what it takes. It's a yes from me. Useful for the bench, another leader and communicator and someone players can learn and get advice from.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 16, 2021, 10:14:27 AM
Still think this is more paper talk really. Young seemed set to go back to Watford so surprised that deal hasn't gone through yet. Not the worst squad option for us on a reasonable deal.
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Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 10:17:04 AM
What the video shows is that he's still got the technical ability that made him a top player and he reads the game so well that he doesn't need to have the pace he did 10 years ago.
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Post by: john e on June 16, 2021, 10:26:55 AM
what will it be do you think a three or four year contract ?

(only joshing those MON contract days are long gone)
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2021, 10:32:21 AM
If he comes in with a couple of massive superstars with their best years ahead of them it’s fine
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 16, 2021, 10:49:26 AM
I’d like him back as cover.
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Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
If he comes in with a couple of massive superstars with their best years ahead of them it’s fine

That's the big advantage of a signing like this in my opinion, bulk out the squad a little with experienced players that can help the young players and then focus the real spending on players like Buendia and Pape Sarr who have plenty of room to improve.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2021, 11:18:53 AM
I think with Young, it is far from just about what you get from him in terms of performance on the pitch.

We could definitely do with more calm, experienced old heads around the team - there's an abundance of youth and promise there currently but no real stand-out experienced leaders. A Petrov or a Milner.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
If he comes in with a couple of massive superstars with their best years ahead of them it’s fine

You've had Buendia, unheard of in Argentina until last week. That's your lot, I'm afraid.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 16, 2021, 11:40:31 AM
It wouldn't really feel like a return. He's been gone so long and done so much elsewhere that I don't think of him as a former Villa player. Plus, the youngest squad with the longest contracts. We could do a lot worse than an old head experienced in seeing out games. 
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 11:52:20 AM
I suspect it's just paper talk but I think it could make a valuable contribution on and off the field. Some short-term deals may be necessary if we feel that some of the kids will come through but need more time. Chrisene may be one of those for left back. As others have said a bit of experience may be good too.
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Post by: jwarry on June 16, 2021, 12:07:24 PM
What the video shows is that he's still got the technical ability that made him a top player and he reads the game so well that he doesn't need to have the pace he did 10 years ago.

And bizarrely he has more hair!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 12:51:21 PM
I think the other important thing to remember here is that, if Kalinic and Hourihane leave as we expect, our oldest player is 28 and we were already the youngest squad in the league when Heaton, Elmo and Taylor were propping up the average. We are one of a few clubs that can afford to have a couple of older heads in the squad who only play 1 game in 3/4 but are there to help build the winning mentality in the squad and give us experienced cover whilst a few youngsters develop more.

Interesting. I though there was more need for Matic or Gary Cahill types in key positions when we came up in 2019 tbh. I think we'd have been safe 3-4 games before final day if we'd got a couple of those types in.

Now though I think likes of Mings, Grealish and Jack have grown together as a group in premier league and a few of them will pass 100 prem games this season so that's plenty enough at this level.

If we are getting some in back up in defence makes sense. Said it before but I'd look at someone like Saiss who can play in back 3, LB and even cover at DM so example of experienced player who can cover many different positions.

Also watching Germany and Kevin Volland came on. Had a good scoring record down the years at Leverkusen. No idea how he's done at Monaco but given they also have Ben Yedder and cash issues in French league they might move him on. 29 and would be good CF backup.

Edit: 17 goals for Monaco last season so they won't be selling.

Wonder if we'll look at Moussa Dembele (the striker). Played in Britain before and was highly rated at Celtic. Lyon wanting to sell now and his move to Atletico Madrid hasn't worked out so could be similar to Traore last summer.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
It wouldn't really feel like a return. He's been gone so long and done so much elsewhere that I don't think of him as a former Villa player. Plus, the youngest squad with the longest contracts. We could do a lot worse than an old head experienced in seeing out games.

He would also be playing in a position that, I don't think, he ever played in for us.

Danny Rose has signed for Watford, not sure if that means they're no longer after Young.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
It wouldn't really feel like a return. He's been gone so long and done so much elsewhere that I don't think of him as a former Villa player. Plus, the youngest squad with the longest contracts. We could do a lot worse than an old head experienced in seeing out games.

He would also be playing in a position that, I don't think, he ever played in for us.

Danny Rose has signed for Watford, not sure if that means they're no longer after Young.

Indeed, just seen that. Two year deal. No idea who their LB was coming back up (is Masina still there) but would suggest they're well stocked now at LB and no way Young can play left wing anymore in premier league.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 16, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
I’d suspect that’s probably a reasonable conclusion to draw.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
Has Young played much as an actual full-back? Mainly wing back under conte and with England.
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Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 01:13:03 PM
I think the other important thing to remember here is that, if Kalinic and Hourihane leave as we expect, our oldest player is 28 and we were already the youngest squad in the league when Heaton, Elmo and Taylor were propping up the average. We are one of a few clubs that can afford to have a couple of older heads in the squad who only play 1 game in 3/4 but are there to help build the winning mentality in the squad and give us experienced cover whilst a few youngsters develop more.

Interesting. I though there was more need for Matic or Gary Cahill types in key positions when we came up in 2019 tbh. I think we'd have been safe 3-4 games before final day if we'd got a couple of those types in.

Now though I think likes of Mings, Grealish and Jack have grown together as a group in premier league and a few of them will pass 100 prem games this season so that's plenty enough at this level.

If we are getting some in back up in defence makes sense. Said it before but I'd look at someone like Saiss who can play in back 3, LB and even cover at DM so example of experienced player who can cover many different positions.

Also watching Germany and Kevin Volland came on. Had a good scoring record down the years at Leverkusen. No idea how he's done at Monaco but given they also have Ben Yedder and cash issues in French league they might move him on. 29 and would be good CF backup.

Edit: 17 goals for Monaco last season so they won't be selling.

Wonder if we'll look at Moussa Dembele (the striker). Played in Britain before and was highly rated at Celtic. Lyon wanting to sell now and his move to Atletico Madrid hasn't worked out so could be similar to Traore last summer.

I think the difference is that when we came up we needed to build the long term backbone of a squad so they decided to focus on players with similar levels of experience and game time so they could grow together but with a few older heads to help them along (Taylor, Elmo and Heaton), many more older players and we'd have run the risk of filling the team with them and not giving enough chances for the younger players to develop. Now that we have 2 years of experience the focus shifts to building depth in the squad. We clearly have high hopes for the youth cup team but for most of them jumping from that to being part of the first team squad is too big a leap so what we need is players that fill the gap.

If we sign a 27-28 year old then both parties would be looking at a 3-4 year deal to maximise the value of the transfer and that becomes a big roadblock, someone in the 32+ age range would be more likely to agree a 1-2 year deal which gives us more space to review things every window for a couple of years.

I'm not saying we should ignore players at that age but rather that we should consider what works in each specific case.

For full backs Seb Revan and Kesler look like good prospects so Young in for 1-2 years to give them more time to develop would be a decent deal, the same in midfield where Chuk will be breaking through regardless but we could just do with an extra option to make sure we don't NEED him to breakthrough.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 01:33:18 PM
What the video shows is that he's still got the technical ability that made him a top player and he reads the game so well that he doesn't need to have the pace he did 10 years ago.

And bizarrely he has more hair!

The rain in Milan falls mainly on the head.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 16, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Some truth to AY links. We've lost experienced heads in the dressing room (Heaton, Elmo, Taylor) so he does fit the bill (can cover tons of areas)
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
Any idea how far it's got to Vinnie? i.e does he have straight choice between us and other PL clubs?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 01:47:14 PM
The links to other clubs were Burnley and Watford. Watford got Rose so I reckon they are out. If it’s between us and Burnley he’s not choosing them
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 16, 2021, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea how far it's got to Vinnie? i.e does he have straight choice between us and other PL clubs?

No idea im afraid. He does have a number of options i believe (plus hes just one of a couple for us as well)
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Post by: aev on June 16, 2021, 03:02:28 PM
We have bid £25m for Smith-Rowe according to the Athletic.
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Post by: dave shelley on June 16, 2021, 03:03:48 PM
Out of interest, where does Young live?  Is he based in Cheshire and is he married with kids?  If so, Burnley might not be such a bad option for him.
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 16, 2021, 03:07:25 PM
The links to other clubs were Burnley and Watford. Watford got Rose so I reckon they are out. If it’s between us and Burnley he’s not choosing them
Dyche was his captain at Watford apparently. At his age length of contract can also be a factor. Doubt we’ll offer more than a year.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 03:14:58 PM
We have bid £25m for Smith-Rowe according to the Athletic.

Would cry with laughter if we signed him. No idea how good he may turn out to be, but the Arsers rate him and it would break them into pieces.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 03:28:29 PM
The links to other clubs were Burnley and Watford. Watford got Rose so I reckon they are out. If it’s between us and Burnley he’s not choosing them
Dyche was his captain at Watford apparently. At his age length of contract can also be a factor. Doubt we’ll offer more than a year.

Offering a year with an option of another. Seems fair.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 03:28:39 PM
The links to other clubs were Burnley and Watford. Watford got Rose so I reckon they are out. If it’s between us and Burnley he’s not choosing them
Dyche was his captain at Watford apparently. At his age length of contract can also be a factor. Doubt we’ll offer more than a year.
Or if he's promised game time at Burnley.  As good a player as he has been, I don't see us dropping Cash or Targett for him.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 03:29:26 PM
We have bid £25m for Smith-Rowe according to the Athletic.

Would cry with laughter if we signed him. No idea how good he may turn out to be, but the Arsers rate him and it would break them into pieces.
He looks like a very good prospect to me.  I can't see why they would let him go.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 03:29:31 PM
We have bid £25m for Smith-Rowe according to the Athletic.

Would cry with laughter if we signed him. No idea how good he may turn out to be, but the Arsers rate him and it would break them into pieces.

He’s a cracking young player. No doubt Arsenal fans will say that because he wears his shin pads like Jack that Jack will be joining them as part of the deal. Along with Maradona, Van Basten and Pele
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Post by: Mister E on June 16, 2021, 03:31:08 PM
We have bid £25m for Smith-Rowe according to the Athletic.
Would cry with laughter if we signed him. No idea how good he may turn out to be, but the Arsers rate him and it would break them into pieces.
It would certainly be very, very funny. I doubt we'll do it, though.
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Post by: frank black on June 16, 2021, 03:31:20 PM
Rumours are (mirror) he was set to join Burnley then heard about the Villa interest and told them thanks but no thanks.

He’s on his way back…
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Post by: Matt C on June 16, 2021, 03:37:41 PM
The Smith-Rowe one is interesting. Can’t see it coming off but it’s certainly a strong indication of ambition.
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Post by: frank black on June 16, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
The Smith-Rowe one is interesting. Can’t see it coming off but it’s certainly a strong indication of ambition.

Or an agent going about their business, I expect he would like a new contract on preferential terms
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Post by: Smirker on June 16, 2021, 03:46:58 PM
Arsenal mate just text me.

ESR bid means we are "100% selling Jack Grealish".

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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 03:48:02 PM
Edit: ignore, misread post.
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Post by: Vegas on June 16, 2021, 03:50:54 PM
The Smith-Rowe one is interesting. Can’t see it coming off but it’s certainly a strong indication of ambition.

Or an agent going about their business, I expect he would like a new contract on preferential terms

Interesting one. Would be good to get him. Not sure we want to be seen as putting in a bid and being rebuffed too many times this summer though.
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Post by: algy on June 16, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
I suspect it's just paper talk but I think it could make a valuable contribution on and off the field. Some short-term deals may be necessary if we feel that some of the kids will come through but need more time. Chrisene may be one of those for left back. As others have said a bit of experience may be good too.
Yeah, as Dave Woodhall said - he's been gone so long, and plays in a different position to when he left the club ... it is a return, but the player we're getting back is a very different one to the one that left the club.

I think that bringing in someone like Ashley Young as competition for the left back spot would be a canny move.  It takes the pressure off moving Chrisenne in to the first team - so he can go out on loan and get some more experience - but leaves a very clear path for him to the first team since Young's got a definite shelf life on him.

I thought similar when we signed Heaton .. generally not a fan of signing older players, but if it's as a stop gap until one of our existing players gets up to speed then I don't see a problem doing it.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 16, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
The Smith-Rowe one is interesting. Can’t see it coming off but it’s certainly a strong indication of ambition.

Or an agent going about their business, I expect he would like a new contract on preferential terms

Yes this one seems unlikely on a number of counts. Not sure whether he’s an Arsenal fan, but it’s hardly like his development is being stifled there. He’s getting plenty of game time.
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Post by: algy on June 16, 2021, 03:56:53 PM
Arsenal mate just text me.

ESR bid means we are "100% selling Jack Grealish".
Hah.  ESR bid means "100% they're our feeder club now".
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
Would love Smith Rowe, cracking player as shown by Arsenal improving when he broke into their team last December. Would've personally had him ahead of Buendia but both will do.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:03:39 PM
Very unlikely to happen, but absolutely hilarious that we snuck over a bid. The utter cheek.
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Post by: ExclDawg on June 16, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
Holy cow! Just saw the Young rumors and hoping that one comes through.  Started watching Villa since 2006 and Young was a big part of the reason we finished 6th those few years.  As soon as we sold him, we started circling the drain.  We absolutely could use an old-hat like that, that's been through trophy wins and knows what it takes.  Setting the example for the younger kids.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 04:09:05 PM
Very unlikely to happen, but absolutely hilarious that we snuck over a bid. The utter cheek.

You say that but for wide options Arsenal currently have Pepe (on big wages so can't be shifted), Willian (ditto), Martinelli and Saka.

And given Arteta wanted Buendia he's looking to add one more. Aubameyang is also shifted wide on occasions.

So even though ESR played a fair bit from December onwards I can see this being another Martinez type situation. Contract running down and they need some money from selling squad players given they don't have european income anymore. And less minutes to give around.

His name was linked to us just before we signed Buendia so for us still to be looking at him suggests we've had some encouragement from his camp he'd be interested in coming here.

Think aswell we're preparing for post Grealish existance whenever that might be. It could be this summer or in two years time. That strategy hasn't done Leicester any harm in last 5 years, getting in players early who eventually replace the key ones they sell in starting 11.
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Post by: London Villan on June 16, 2021, 04:14:04 PM
More like preparing for our plan B with Jack in and out of the team.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:14:35 PM
Sure, but if we really bid £25m I don't think that our valuation is going to get near theirs. He's only 20, was one of their bright sparks last season and is regarded as the future. It would take a LOT of money to persuade them, and probably a club that's in a clearly better situation than Arsenal.

Nevertheless, like I say, fucking hilarious.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 04:14:38 PM
Arsenal fans getting upset. Wait until they hear about our bid for Saka.
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Post by: Dr Butler on June 16, 2021, 04:17:50 PM
Arsenal fans getting upset. Wait until they hear about our bid for Saka.

yeah just had a scan at twitter...it is hilarious reading their posts :)

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
Agent Martinez please report to B6. We have job for you

(https://static.standard.co.uk/2020/11/09/23/newFile.jpg?width=1490&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=1490%3A994%2Csmart)
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 04:23:35 PM
Sure, but if we really bid £25m I don't think that our valuation is going to get near theirs. He's only 20, was one of their bright sparks last season and is regarded as the future. It would take a LOT of money to persuade them, and probably a club that's in a clearly better situation than Arsenal.

Nevertheless, like I say, fucking hilarious.

Only two years left on his deal so until he signs his new deal his value is dropping.

Martinez was really a 30m keeper we signed but it was around 15m wasn't it due to similar situation.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:26:57 PM
Well one thing I do think - it's a vaguely good sign regarding resisting offers for Grealish. Moves for Ward-Prowse, Smith Rowe - you can see the balls on these owners from the moon.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 04:30:02 PM
Holy cow! Just saw the Young rumors and hoping that one comes through.  Started watching Villa since 2006 and Young was a big part of the reason we finished 6th those few years.  As soon as we sold him, we started circling the drain.  We absolutely could use an old-hat like that, that's been through trophy wins and knows what it takes.  Setting the example for the younger kids.

I think you're the only H&Ver from the Cleveland Browns fan-exchange programme we have (presumably VillaDawg is on a Browns forum arguing the toss over the draft's salary-cap), much respect for hanging around for 15 years! ;D
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 16, 2021, 04:30:07 PM
Young close to being done now
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Yessss! Can dig out my old white away shirt with Young 7 on the back. Not so young to wear it now...maybe ironically.

Seriously, is he someone Jack would have looked up to at the time? I imagine so. Wonder if they ever met.
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Post by: ExclDawg on June 16, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Holy cow! Just saw the Young rumors and hoping that one comes through.  Started watching Villa since 2006 and Young was a big part of the reason we finished 6th those few years.  As soon as we sold him, we started circling the drain.  We absolutely could use an old-hat like that, that's been through trophy wins and knows what it takes.  Setting the example for the younger kids.

I think you're the only H&Ver from the Cleveland Browns fan-exchange programme we have (presumably VillaDawg is on a Browns forum arguing the toss over the draft's salary-cap), much respect for hanging around for 15 years! ;D
Stuck through thick and thin with both teams.  Funny how they've sort of mirrored each other too.  A few years ago, the Browns were going 0-16 while Villa was getting relegated, and now both look to be on the cusp of something great!
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Post by: Richard E on June 16, 2021, 04:35:24 PM
Ashley Young hat trick against Watford in the opening game.
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Post by: john e on June 16, 2021, 04:36:56 PM
Very unlikely to happen, but absolutely hilarious that we snuck over a bid. The utter cheek.

Same, love it that we had the gall to have a go at one of their brightest talents
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:40:32 PM
If Vinnie says it is nearly over the line that’s good enough for me.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 04:41:06 PM
Holy cow! Just saw the Young rumors and hoping that one comes through.  Started watching Villa since 2006 and Young was a big part of the reason we finished 6th those few years.  As soon as we sold him, we started circling the drain.  We absolutely could use an old-hat like that, that's been through trophy wins and knows what it takes.  Setting the example for the younger kids.

I think you're the only H&Ver from the Cleveland Browns fan-exchange programme we have (presumably VillaDawg is on a Browns forum arguing the toss over the draft's salary-cap), much respect for hanging around for 15 years! ;D
Stuck through thick and thin with both teams.  Funny how they've sort of mirrored each other too.  A few years ago, the Browns were going 0-16 while Villa was getting relegated, and now both look to be on the cusp of something great!

Delighted for you, pal!
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Post by: AV82EC on June 16, 2021, 04:41:37 PM
Very unlikely to happen, but absolutely hilarious that we snuck over a bid. The utter cheek.

Same, love it that we had the gall to have a go at one of their brightest talents

It’s double meltdown time as they’ve had a bid rejected by Brighton for Ben White.
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Post by: john e on June 16, 2021, 04:44:32 PM
Holy cow! Just saw the Young rumors and hoping that one comes through.  Started watching Villa since 2006 and Young was a big part of the reason we finished 6th those few years.  As soon as we sold him, we started circling the drain.  We absolutely could use an old-hat like that, that's been through trophy wins and knows what it takes.  Setting the example for the younger kids.

I think you're the only H&Ver from the Cleveland Browns fan-exchange programme we have (presumably VillaDawg is on a Browns forum arguing the toss over the draft's salary-cap), much respect for hanging around for 15 years! ;D
Stuck through thick and thin with both teams.  Funny how they've sort of mirrored each other too.  A few years ago, the Browns were going 0-16 while Villa was getting relegated, and now both look to be on the cusp of something great!

Yes I too remember you first appearing back in the old Learner days
and I’m happy to see you’re still about, one of the Chosen as we like to say

Good to see Pelty still posts as well from that era,
 And he probably had more reason than most not to have stuck around

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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
If Vinnie says it is nearly over the line that’s good enough for me.

And John Percy....
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
If Vinnie says it is nearly over the line that’s good enough for me.

And John Percy....


Quite. Which is why I have no idea why the thread just got locked.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2021, 04:54:22 PM
Sure, but if we really bid £25m I don't think that our valuation is going to get near theirs. He's only 20, was one of their bright sparks last season and is regarded as the future. It would take a LOT of money to persuade them, and probably a club that's in a clearly better situation than Arsenal.

Nevertheless, like I say, fucking hilarious.

I thought he only had a year left on his contract but it turns out to be two. I'm sure our bid was just to take the piss.
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 04:54:42 PM
I thought Smith-Rowe's best position was a number 10? That's where he seemed to play before they signed Odegaard on loan.

Couple of thoughts...smart getting Buendia done early if we were going to go back for ESR. Interesting that we still want someone for that position (as above, a number 10?).

Let's see if the Young deal materialises first. We already had a Youth team with Barry and Young playing in it, we might have another Young! The first team might become full of Emi's, Young's and double barrelled surnames!
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Post by: Risso on June 16, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
Trevor Sinclair is a bit thick. Apparently our bid for Smith-Rowe is a sure sign Grealish is off. No you plank, it’s a sign our gazillionaire owners are going to start taking the piss iut of skint pricks like Arsenal and take their upcoming talent to play WITH Grealish.
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Post by: Martin Carruthers on June 16, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Trevor Sinclair is a bit thick. Apparently our bid for Smith-Rowe is a sure sign Grealish is off. No you plank, it’s a sign our gazillionaire owners are going to start taking the piss iut of skint pricks like Arsenal and take their upcoming talent to play WITH Grealish.

Us being minted seems to have passed most people by. Which is fine by me.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:59:08 PM
Yeah, if we were looking to replace Jack with the money in advance, so to speak, I don't think we'd be pissing about with £25m bids. You'd have thought people would've noticed the Buendia thing, but apparently not.

By the way, did I miss something, or has John Percy not actually said anything?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 16, 2021, 04:59:46 PM
Trevor Sinclair is a bit thick. Apparently our bid for Smith-Rowe is a sure sign Grealish is off. No you plank, it’s a sign our gazillionaire owners are going to start taking the piss iut of skint pricks like Arsenal and take their upcoming talent to play WITH Grealish.

Us being minted seems to have passed most people by. Which is fine by me.

It's definitely passed other clubs' fans by. I doubt the executives at those clubs are similarly ignorant.
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Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 05:11:24 PM
Trevor Sinclair is a bit thick. Apparently our bid for Smith-Rowe is a sure sign Grealish is off. No you plank, it’s a sign our gazillionaire owners are going to start taking the piss iut of skint pricks like Arsenal and take their upcoming talent to play WITH Grealish.
You could have stopped after 6 words.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 16, 2021, 05:13:29 PM
Haha, bidding for Arsenal's best up and coming young talent. Proper shithousing from us there! Love it.
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
Yep, early days of the Man City revival they didn't just look make themselves stronger but also make as many of their direct rivals at the time weaker too. We're definitely trying to weaken Arsenal while making ourselves stronger.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2021, 05:21:16 PM
Haha, bidding for Arsenal's best up and coming young talent. Proper shithousing from us there! Love it.

I think it's really unfair of Arsenal not allowing him to get the move. I guess like Norwich, they're hanging in hoping we increase the offer.
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 05:23:06 PM
I'm sure he'd love to play for a club with ambition.
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Post by: ExclDawg on June 16, 2021, 05:23:44 PM
Haha, bidding for Arsenal's best up and coming young talent. Proper shithousing from us there! Love it.

I think it's really unfair of Arsenal not allowing him to get the move. I guess like Norwich, they're hanging in hoping we increase the offer.
£25.1M it is then
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Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 05:23:56 PM
Other than Saka and ESR (now) , I can’t think of anyone at Arse I’d desperately want in our team. Not even the strikers.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2021, 05:27:41 PM
What do peole think a player like Smith Rowe is worth?  18 starts in the PL and 9 in the Europa last season.  Looks very decent, but still young and inexperienced.  Is he worth £35-£40m in the current market or is that silly money?

I guess if the boot was on the other foot what would we think Jacob Ramsey is worth (admittedly he hasn't had breakthrough appearances like ESR has yet)?  What about Chuk - I don't think I'd be wanting to sell someone with his potential for £25m.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
Other than Saka and ESR (now) , I can’t think of anyone at Arse I’d desperately want in our team. Not even the strikers.
I like Tierny and Willock looks a great prospect.
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Post by: Villa Lew on June 16, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
Smith Rowe would be a superb signing for us, thought he looked quality, the first time I saw him play for Arsenal. Can't see Arsenal letting him go, but you never know.
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 05:38:28 PM
Other than Saka and ESR (now) , I can’t think of anyone at Arse I’d desperately want in our team. Not even the strikers.
I like Tierny and Willock looks a great prospect.

Didn't have a good season last year but you would be daft to turn away from Aubameyang as well.
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Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 05:45:49 PM
Other than Saka and ESR (now) , I can’t think of anyone at Arse I’d desperately want in our team. Not even the strikers.
I like Tierny and Willock looks a great prospect.

Didn't have a good season last year but you would be daft to turn away from Aubameyang as well.

At his age and wages, no thanks.
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 05:52:12 PM
Other than Saka and ESR (now) , I can’t think of anyone at Arse I’d desperately want in our team. Not even the strikers.
I like Tierny and Willock looks a great prospect.

Didn't have a good season last year but you would be daft to turn away from Aubameyang as well.

At his age and wages, no thanks.

I was looking at it on paper rather than with any seriousness.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2021, 06:03:28 PM
Tierney is superb, far better than Robertson
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Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 06:05:32 PM
Tierney is superb, far better than Robertson
Yes, I forgot about Tierney, a very good player.
And he tucks his shirt in.
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Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2021, 06:07:18 PM
I thought the Smith-Rowe link was paper talk rubbish. I'm actually thrilled that we lodged a formal bid.. after landing Buendia, Arsenal was never going to sell us ESR for 25m.

Love the ambition, love the audacity of the owners!

I would keep pressing for Ward-Prowse - everyone has their price.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
I imagine the owners who had a plan going into this summer of steady YOY progress looked at the fucking disaster that is Everton, Arsenal and Spurs and thought we can get past them with the right investment. And while Leeds will be in the middle, and West Ham might come back to the pack a little no reason why we cannot really challenge for a Europa spot if the CL challenge ultimately falls short.
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Post by: algy on June 16, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
I thought the Smith-Rowe link was paper talk rubbish. I'm actually thrilled that we lodged a formal bid.. after landing Buendia, Arsenal was never going to sell us ESR for 25m.

Love the ambition, love the audacity of the owners!

I would keep pressing for Ward-Prowse - everyone has their price.
Hell yeah, let's have Ward-Prowse AND Smith-Rowe. We'd have a seriously good side:
Martinez
Cash/Kesler - Konsa/Engels - Mings/Hause - Targett/Young
Luiz/Nakamba - JWP/Sanson
Buendia/Traore - ESR/McGinn - Grealish/AEG
Watkins/Wesley
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 06:17:38 PM
Could we be using ESR as a stalking horse for another player?
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Post by: LukeJames on June 16, 2021, 06:49:42 PM
Every time we sign a player or get linked to a player theres a kind of confusion amongst the football fan community and it invarably turns into 'aaaaagh its because Grealish is off'. How has our owners wealth and ambition stayed under the radar for so long? We mean fucking business and people can't quite grasp how or why. Long may it continue.
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Post by: Ad@m on June 16, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
The way he's performed tonight and given the fact that he's not a regular starter at Juve, I'd be tempted to put a Bid in for Aaron Ramsey.

I reckon we'd get him for £10m-£15m, although wages might be a challenge, and he's absolute quality. Would be a fantastic influence on the likes of Chucky and our own Ramsey brothers coming through.
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Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 06:59:18 PM
The way he's performed tonight and given the fact that he's not a regular starter at Juve, I'd be tempted to put a Bid in for Aaron Ramsey.

I reckon we'd get him for £10m-£15m, although wages might be a challenge, and he's absolute quality. Would be a fantastic influence on the likes of Chucky and our own Ramsey brothers coming through.

I'd like it purely so we could have a game where the midfield is listed as: A.Ramsey, Aa.Ramsey, J.Ramsey
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 07:01:26 PM
The way he's performed tonight and given the fact that he's not a regular starter at Juve, I'd be tempted to put a Bid in for Aaron Ramsey.

I reckon we'd get him for £10m-£15m, although wages might be a challenge, and he's absolute quality. Would be a fantastic influence on the likes of Chucky and our own Ramsey brothers coming through.

I'd like it purely so we could have a game where the midfield is listed as: A.Ramsey, Aa.Ramsey, J.Ramsey

Could have 4 Ramsey's in the team in a few years!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 07:04:27 PM
We cornered the Jordan market a few years back and now we can take all the available Ramsey’s. If we get Smith-Rowe we will have all the Emi’s. It will be like Villa Monopoly.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 07:16:56 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.
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Post by: nigel on June 16, 2021, 07:20:21 PM
The Smith-Rowe one is interesting. Can’t see it coming off but it’s certainly a strong indication of ambition.

Arsenal are after Ben White.
 Had a bid rejected, so might sell to get funds
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Post by: Rudy65 on June 16, 2021, 07:35:34 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.

Correct and £400k pw currently
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 07:39:10 PM
Might as well go and sign Ben White just to really piss them off :)
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Post by: nigel on June 16, 2021, 07:40:17 PM
Might as well go and sign Ben White just to really piss them off :)

Good back up for Ezri 😂
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 07:46:25 PM
Actually, go and get Bissouma so that Brighton don't need to sell White!
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Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 07:47:22 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.

Correct and £400k pw currently
What ? FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK ???
are you sure.
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Post by: LukeJames on June 16, 2021, 07:50:23 PM
Yeah I remember being flabogasted at the time he signed it. Ran his Arsenal contract down and then signed that huge contract at Juventus.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 07:52:40 PM
He agreed to take Italian lessons though so...
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 07:54:34 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.

Correct and £400k pw currently
What ? FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK ???
are you sure.

Juve have been very prudent with the money and really we owe them the super league, it's their only hope.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2021, 07:55:42 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.

Correct and £400k pw currently
What ? FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK ???
are you sure.

Pretty sure he went on a free, so those wages are possible.

There was a period of time in arsenal’s history where they had Ozil, Ramsey and Sanchez all playing decent football (often world class). And all seeking new contracts.  Could they have got those decisions more wrong.  They ended up paying Ozil off and losing Ramsey and Sanchez for minimal income.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2021, 08:06:52 PM
Correct and £400k pw currently
What ? FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK ???
are you sure.

Yes, they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
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Post by: andyh on June 16, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
This bid for ESR….I don’t think we have a hope in hell of prising him away from Arse. But could it be a cunning plan to make JWP think he might miss out on a dream move to Villa and force the issue?
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Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 08:13:57 PM
This bid for ESR….I don’t think we have a hope in hell of prising him away from Arse. But could it be a cunning plan to make JWP think he might miss out on a dream move to Villa and force the issue?

Don't think we do that. Think we just see players we like and lob money in their direction.
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Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2021, 08:16:38 PM
This bid for ESR….I don’t think we have a hope in hell of prising him away from Arse. But could it be a cunning plan to make JWP think he might miss out on a dream move to Villa and force the issue?

Don't think we do that. Think we just see players we like and lob money in their direction.

Yep, I get the impression that we identify a position we want to strengthen and then build a list of options for it and bid for 2-3 at a time and see what happens.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2021, 08:26:13 PM
We should go for Chambers from Arsenal too. Cover for a few positions.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 16, 2021, 08:28:11 PM
It seems ESR needs to make a decision. Does he want to come and play for an ambitious Aston Villa team or does he want his career to peter out at a declining arsenal?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2021, 08:28:43 PM
This deal could happen. Arteta might have to sell to buy.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 16, 2021, 08:31:51 PM
We should go for Chambers from Arsenal too. Cover for a few positions.

Nooh, he's bloody awful.
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Post by: LukeJames on June 16, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
I'd be surprised if it happened but for us too make an official bid I'm presuming we must of had some positive indication from his agent, granted it could just be his agent encouraging a bid to speed up his contract negotiation from Arsenal.
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Post by: Ads on June 16, 2021, 08:42:57 PM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2021, 08:58:24 PM
Ramsey is not reliable, injury-wise. Would want a fortune in wages, too.

Strikes me as nailed on Everton signing.

Very good player when on it like tonight but would miss a decent amount per season with his muscle injuries.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:15:24 PM
So were we wanting to sign both Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe? I'm all for Villa being upper-class and double-barrelled but who are we giving up on....the French fella, Sanson? Is Doug definitely ours for good now? Are we trying to upgrade on Meatball? So many questions...
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:16:37 PM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

I can just imagine Nassef muttering 'fuck it' before lumping a shit load more cash into our transfer kitty.
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Post by: enigma on June 16, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
A bit of a lowball offer for ESR. I'd love us to get him but it won't happen at that price.
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Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:20:26 PM
A bit of a lowball offer for ESR. I'd love us to get him but it won't happen at that price.

You never make an opening bid with the full amount you're prepared to pay.
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Post by: enigma on June 16, 2021, 09:26:48 PM
A bit of a lowball offer for ESR. I'd love us to get him but it won't happen at that price.

You never make an opening bid with the full amount you're prepared to pay.
We did with Buendia.
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Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
Don't think we did...Norwich almost certainly insisted on the sell-on clause for example.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 10:19:25 PM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

I can just imagine Nassef muttering 'fuck it' before lumping a shit load more cash into our transfer kitty.

Exclusive picture of "pocket change" found on Nas' desk has been uncovered.

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/06/08/fenn002_custom-2cb7c2f5b032f966882967a1f9f6f5e0cccd821d.jpg)
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Post by: john2710 on June 16, 2021, 11:22:21 PM
This transfer window is maybe the kind of opportunity to make up ground on the top 6 that we haven't seen since the late 90's. Opportunities that have passed us by because we were too cautious (Doug) or too wasteful (Lerner).

Who'd have thought three years ago as we couldn't pay the taxman we'd be spending £100m a season & getting good value for most of it.

We haven't looked at top 4 team since Brian Little's team in 1996 but we'll be back there soon.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2021, 11:28:00 PM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

I heard something yesterday that backs up that theory. The value mentioned would break our record. Oh and a few Dingles could be in for a few rough nights sleep. Time will tell.
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Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 11:54:54 PM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

I heard something yesterday that backs up that theory. The value mentioned would break our record. Oh and a few Dingles could be in for a few rough nights sleep. Time will tell.

Neves?
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Post by: enigma on June 17, 2021, 12:04:36 AM
Neto please!
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2021, 12:52:01 AM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

I can just imagine Nassef muttering 'fuck it' before lumping a shit load more cash into our transfer kitty.


It ain't no kitty no more, no siree, sounds like we've got ourselves an honest to God warchest.
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 17, 2021, 01:28:11 AM
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I'd be surprised if it happened but for us too make an official bid I'm presuming we must of had some positive indication from his agent, granted it could just be his agent encouraging a bid to speed up his contract negotiation from Arsenal.

Even if it is unlikely to happen, it does signify some real intent.  The days of cow-towing to the likes of Arsenal have gone and we want to overtake them.
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Post by: Hillbilly on June 17, 2021, 06:19:07 AM
I must have been out of the country too long - can someone explain why Arsenal fans keep blethering about carpet?
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Post by: algy on June 17, 2021, 06:57:44 AM
We cornered the Jordan market a few years back and now we can take all the available Ramsey’s. If we get Smith-Rowe we will have all the Emi’s. It will be like Villa Monopoly.
I'm convinced we've got a big book that lists every player in alphabetical order.  The scouts use it to hide their grumble mags in, but as a result all the pages are a bit sticky and we just end up having to buy all our players from the same page.

Explains why we had that season when we bought all the Jordans, and then a season when we only bought players from clubs beginning with 'B'.
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Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2021, 07:16:10 AM
Re the leapfrogging of Everton, Spurrrrrs, Arse, etc, Allan at Everton or Hojberg at Spurrrrs might be our defensive MF options.
From Arse, ESR, Tierney and Willock would be options; perhaps also Nketiah.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 08:02:10 AM
NWSE have changed tact and see this as a great opportunity to leapfrog Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Leicester etc.

So it's no longer going to be a quiet one, but a large one. Aye aye!

Ashley Preece innit? Does he know anything? Although I didn’t believe it would be a quiet one, mainly because I didn’t want to.
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Post by: ursineultra on June 17, 2021, 10:15:57 AM
A bit of a lowball offer for ESR. I'd love us to get him but it won't happen at that price.

You never make an opening bid with the full amount you're prepared to pay.
We did with Buendia.
We didn't.
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Post by: richtheholtender on June 17, 2021, 10:28:41 AM
A bit of a lowball offer for ESR. I'd love us to get him but it won't happen at that price.

You never make an opening bid with the full amount you're prepared to pay.
We did with Buendia.
We didn't.




£25 million might be low if he had 2/3 years left on his contract but I think with a single year that value isn’t far off
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Post by: Dick Edwards on June 17, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
I thought he had two years left on his Arsenal contract..
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
I thought he had two years left on his Arsenal contract..
He has.  I think he is almost certain to sign a new one too. 

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1405167484525858824

I'm not quite sure what we were playing at here (or indeed whether we ever made an offer) but triggering the Arsenal fans was funny.
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Post by: Smithy on June 17, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
The Smith-Rowe thing is interesting.  Firstly, I think it's highly unlikely we'll get him, he's a quality young player, will only get better, and he English - so there's a premium on top of that.  Can't see him going for anything close to £25m.

Secondly, I find it strange to see it in the press that we've had an offer refused.  Entirely possible it's just agents playing silly buggers to get Arsenal to increase their contract offer ("the kid is clearly a £30m player, so pay him like one"), but also it's a public sign that we are NOT fucking around this summer.  It's a very strong message to anyone approached by us that they're going to a club that is ambitious.  Coming so soon at the Buendia signing, it makes us look incredibly proactive - which is a lovely change.

People are talking about Aston Villa poaching the best players from clubs above us in the league.  Whether it actually happens, or not, that's what the conversation is about now - and that's a HUGE shift in the perception of Aston Villa as a football club.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 11:05:38 AM
I tend to agree that 25m seems well off the mark. But you don't know with Arteta. If he needs to raise funds and doesn't rate him, then he may let him go.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 17, 2021, 11:21:36 AM
I actually think he has more chance of first team football with Arsenal than us too and supposedly supports them.

Suppose it doesn't hurt to see if we can tempt him though.
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Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 11:26:03 AM
I tend to agree that 25m seems well off the mark. But you don't know with Arteta. If he needs to raise funds and doesn't rate him, then he may let him go.

I think there's something in that, knowing they're struggling to fund signings and testing their resolve. It worked last summer with Martinez. Plus, might have the bonus of pushing up their crippling wage bill!
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Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2021, 11:30:18 AM
It would be brilliant if we could get him hope Arsenal decide to cash in.
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Post by: algy on June 17, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
I tend to agree that 25m seems well off the mark. But you don't know with Arteta. If he needs to raise funds and doesn't rate him, then he may let him go.

I think there's something in that, knowing they're struggling to fund signings and testing their resolve. It worked last summer with Martinez. Plus, might have the bonus of pushing up their crippling wage bill!
Yeah, I agree.  I figure we're bound to have at least done some preliminary sounding out before we made an offer, so Smith-Rowe is at least partially receptive to a move.  He also probably knows that if he doesn't sign a new contract, then Arsenal are going to see his sell-on value drop next summer, then completely disappear by the summer after.

I reckon Smith-Rowe is quite getable, and if Arsenal are struggling for funds then he might be available at a reasonable price ...
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Post by: Dick Edwards on June 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
I actually think he has more chance of first team football with Arsenal than us too and supposedly supports them.

Suppose it doesn't hurt to see if we can tempt him though.

I'm struggling to see where this kid fits into our team anyway. If he's a playmaker he'll be competing with Jack and Buendia, and if he's a wide player he'll additionally be competing with Traore. Are we really in the market to spend that sort of money on a likely bench player? Would the kid even be interested in leaving his hometown club for that situation.

Unless we literally are splashing the cash on filling the bench with quality this summer, another explanation is that someone may be leaving.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on June 17, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Oh FFS
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Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 11:53:34 AM
Oh FFS

?
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2021, 11:58:35 AM
I actually think he has more chance of first team football with Arsenal than us too and supposedly supports them.

Suppose it doesn't hurt to see if we can tempt him though.
Not sure about that.  If we buy him he plays 10 with Jack and Buendia either side.
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Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on June 17, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
we've had trouble filling the number 8 shirt. no one made it their own last season. Barkley and Ramsey had their moments. If Buendia is the replacement for Trez it means we are looking for an 8, Emile Smith is exciting but he's only had one season in the prem. A big contract and he could easily disappear like many of them do.
I remember watching an interview with him and he said his favorite player was Grealish so it's quite possible the chance to play along side him may tempt him. He must have seen us up close last season when we destroyed arsenal. Barkley and Grealish were taking the piss all game, I sometimes watch that clip on my computer in awe when Barkley stops the ball dead. it's up there with Kodkia's sneeze skills.

It's interesting the amount of English lads we are linked with. The u15's captain Feeney looks like he might join and Ward Prowse has been mentioned. Has purslow heard a whisper that quota's are in the pipeline perhaps?
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Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 01:15:10 PM
we've had trouble filling the number 8 shirt. no one made it their own last season. Barkley and Ramsey had their moments. If Buendia is the replacement for Trez it means we are looking for an 8, Emile Smith is exciting but he's only had one season in the prem. A big contract and he could easily disappear like many of them do.
I remember watching an interview with him and he said his favorite player was Grealish so it's quite possible the chance to play along side him may tempt him. He must have seen us up close last season when we destroyed arsenal. Barkley and Grealish were taking the piss all game, I sometimes watch that clip on my computer in awe when Barkley stops the ball dead. it's up there with Kodkia's sneeze skills.

It's interesting the amount of English lads we are linked with. The u15's captain Feeney looks like he might join and Ward Prowse has been mentioned. Has purslow heard a whisper that quota's are in the pipeline perhaps?

I'd say it's more that the long term goal is to have a large part of oure squad come through the academy which means attracting the best young players. A good way to do that is to be able to point at all the kids who've already walked that path with us. Right now Jack is key to that but if we can add people like Chuk it just strengthens our 'brand' as the club to join if you want to make it.
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Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 01:31:28 PM
Trying to sign a further attacking midfielder is a sign that the best in the league won't be playing a full 38 games for us.

If we get 25 out of Jack, then having Emi fill in at 10 or wide etc with an ESR type, leaves us pretty nicely covered.
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Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 01:49:03 PM

It's interesting the amount of English lads we are linked with. The u15's captain Feeney looks like he might join and Ward Prowse has been mentioned. Has purslow heard a whisper that quota's are in the pipeline perhaps?

I'd say it's more that the long term goal is to have a large part of oure squad come through the academy which means attracting the best young players. A good way to do that is to be able to point at all the kids who've already walked that path with us.

Yes to both answers plus this; Purslow and NSWE are long-term thinkers. The English player tactic could well be in preparation for registering squads for European competitions; the various English/foreign/qualified-by-residency/qualified-by-being here a long time/U21 age etc categories need careful planning.

Quite a few teams over the last few years have pissed-off some good players by not being able to pick them for the European campaigns. I suspect our owners are aware and planning to minimise this issue.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2021, 01:57:45 PM
Trying to sign a further attacking midfielder is a sign that the best in the league won't be playing a full 38 games for us.

If we get 25 out of Jack, then having Emi fill in at 10 or wide etc with an ESR type, leaves us pretty nicely covered.

As fans we need to start thinking again that we are a big a club. Because we are but naturally given the past decade that won’t just happen. Everyone is scarred by false dawns and failure. But in order to operate at the very top we need excellent players in every position and excellent back up players, some who will compete for starting roles and some who are just great squad or role players. And in time the academy players will push for starting roles and some will go on loan to develop. And we will have a bigger coaching staff and the ground will be expanded as we welcome back top level domestic and European competition
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Post by: Stu on June 17, 2021, 02:10:47 PM
Ashley Preece has apparently said Ward-Prowse and Smith=Rowe are very unlikely. Think he was doing a live chat late this morning.
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Post by: OCD on June 17, 2021, 02:20:25 PM
I could have said that and I probably know as much as him.
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Post by: Stu on June 17, 2021, 02:31:27 PM
I mean...yeah.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 05:19:46 PM
Spurs are there for the taking if any more manager talks break down they’ll be turning to Steve Evans.
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Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
#announcePards.
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Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
You look at the Spurs chaos, at Arsenal's half-arsedness, Everton's faffing around, and you can just imagine our owners thinking 'fuck me, these guys are such utter losers.'
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2021, 06:27:54 PM
Ashley Preece has apparently said Ward-Prowse and Smith=Rowe are very unlikely. Think he was doing a live chat late this morning.
I'm sure he's right, but strongly suspect he's just guessing like the rest of us.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on June 17, 2021, 06:49:44 PM
Birmingham live linking is with Aaron Ramsey
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Post by: Ad@m on June 17, 2021, 06:59:40 PM
Birmingham live linking is with Aaron Ramsey

That was my scoop about 10 pages back!!! The Mail can do one unless they're crediting me as a "source"!!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 07:05:40 PM
Somebody on twitter says we have signed Josh Feeney from Fleetwood. Tweet was 4 hours ago. Anyone heard anything official?
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Post by: Richard E on June 17, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
Somebody on twitter says we have signed Josh Feeney from Fleetwood. Tweet was 4 hours ago. Anyone heard anything official?

No but Josh Feeney had put pictures on Instagram of The Belfrey and then Bodymoor Heath.
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Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:10:23 PM
Ramsey sounds like a slipstream link; we've signed one British veteran from the Serie A big time and so they link us with the other. He's probably leaving Juve, but I've seen nothing reputable about us being interested.
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Post by: OCD on June 17, 2021, 07:26:51 PM
Somebody on twitter says we have signed Josh Feeney from Fleetwood. Tweet was 4 hours ago. Anyone heard anything official?

England U16 Captain. I read a while back we were favourites to sign him ahead of Man United. Would be excellent news if that pans out.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 17, 2021, 07:47:29 PM
No thanks to Ramsey. Expensive wages and injury prone.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 17, 2021, 07:48:21 PM
Neves from Wolves however…..
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 07:48:25 PM
Ramsey would be a dreadful idea. Would make Ron Vlaar seem ever present.
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Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Birmingham live linking is with Aaron Ramsey

I stupidly clicked on that earlier. The story is basically "some Villa fans on the internet have said that Villa should sign Aaron Ramsey"

Click-bait of the worst kind.
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Post by: andyh on June 17, 2021, 07:56:00 PM
Somebody on twitter says we have signed Josh Feeney from Fleetwood. Tweet was 4 hours ago. Anyone heard anything official?

England U16 Captain. I read a while back we were favourites to sign him ahead of Man United. Would be excellent news if that pans out.
I think that is going to be one hell of a signing if we get him….by all accounts he’s something special and most of the big teams were after him.
But, if Villa come calling………….
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Post by: john e on June 17, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
Somebody on twitter says we have signed Josh Feeney from Fleetwood. Tweet was 4 hours ago. Anyone heard anything official?

England U16 Captain. I read a while back we were favourites to sign him ahead of Man United. Would be excellent news if that pans out.
I think that is going to be one hell of a signing if we get him….by all accounts he’s something special and most of the big teams were after him.
But, if Villa come calling………….

I had to google him when Percy mentioned him to make sure he was a real person

And he is and looks good
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Post by: Des Little on June 17, 2021, 08:44:25 PM
Neves from Wolves however…..

Now yam talkin’
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Post by: TonyD on June 17, 2021, 08:45:29 PM
Heskey spotted in the Belfry carpark. 
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Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
Neves from Wolves however…..

Now yam talkin’
Neves?  No thanks.
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Post by: john2710 on June 17, 2021, 09:02:54 PM
Neves is the sort of player that goes to Arsenal or Everton. I can't see us being interested.
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Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Neves is the sort of player that goes to Arsenal or Everton. I can't see us being interested.

pretty much, either that or goes to Chelsea/Man Utd/Man City and disappears for 2 years before then going to Everton/West Ham (I'd have included us here until recently) to try to reboot his career.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2021, 10:09:58 PM
neves has underperformed over the last year or so
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 17, 2021, 11:24:45 PM
What position does Feeney play?
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Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 11:30:12 PM
What position does Feeney play?

Centre back.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 17, 2021, 11:34:34 PM
What position does Feeney play?

Centre back.

Cheers. Looks like we’re building quite the youth team.
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Post by: KevinGage on June 17, 2021, 11:36:50 PM
Ashley Preece has apparently said Ward-Prowse and Smith=Rowe are very unlikely. Think he was doing a live chat late this morning.

He doesn't come across as as much of a prat as Smegg Evans, but he doesn't seem particularly well connected either.

A shame, as I believe he is a Villa fan (not that that should be criteria for the job BTW).  But if you are part of a paper/ clickbait operation which seems to enjoy linking our best players with god-knows-who and all the other mindless shite they've done over the years, you get tarred by association. 

I can't imagine the club wanting to feed them any useful info.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2021, 12:54:27 AM
Neves is the sort of player that goes to Arsenal or Everton. I can't see us being interested.

Wolves have a few more players that could do a job here. Time will tell.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on June 18, 2021, 07:40:48 AM
Neves is the sort of player that goes to Arsenal or Everton. I can't see us being interested.

Wolves have a few more players that could do a job here. Time will tell.

Yeah agree, Neto anyone?
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Post by: Ads on June 18, 2021, 07:54:14 AM
Out for months with an ACL isn't he?
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Post by: maidstonevillain on June 18, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Out for months with an ACL isn't he?
Should fit in well at Villa then.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 18, 2021, 09:45:06 AM
a bench buddy for Wes
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Post by: Allan C on June 18, 2021, 10:05:28 AM
I actually think he has more chance of first team football with Arsenal than us too and supposedly supports them.

Suppose it doesn't hurt to see if we can tempt him though.

I'm struggling to see where this kid fits into our team anyway. If he's a playmaker he'll be competing with Jack and Buendia, and if he's a wide player he'll additionally be competing with Traore. Are we really in the market to spend that sort of money on a likely bench player? Would the kid even be interested in leaving his hometown club for that situation.

Unless we literally are splashing the cash on filling the bench with quality this summer, another explanation is that someone may be leaving.
I think he goes straight in with Jack and Buendia. That to me looks like a cracking midfield to contend with. I’d pursue this transfer if I was doing the buying
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Post by: Ads on June 18, 2021, 05:11:13 PM
Engels off to Royal Antwerp.
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Post by: fredm on June 18, 2021, 05:11:24 PM


I'm struggling to see where this kid fits into our team anyway. If he's a playmaker he'll be competing with Jack and Buendia, and if he's a wide player he'll additionally be competing with Traore. Are we really in the market to spend that sort of money on a likely bench player? Would the kid even be interested in leaving his hometown club for that situation.

Unless we literally are splashing the cash on filling the bench with quality this summer, another explanation is that someone may be leaving.
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I think he goes straight in with Jack and Buendia. That to me looks like a cracking midfield to contend with. I’d pursue this transfer if I was doing the buying
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To challenge at the top end of the league we will need a squad of 20+ players, all of whom are capable of hitting the ground running whenever they are selected. We need to get away from this “starting eleven” mindset and look at the bigger picture re rotation etc.
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Post by: andyh on June 18, 2021, 05:55:56 PM
Hope there isn’t a clamour for Tuanzebe with Engels going. Axel isnt good enough for us anymore.
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Post by: jwarry on June 18, 2021, 05:58:58 PM
Engels off to Royal Antwerp.

Shame thought he had potential so not sure went wrong, but in Dean we trust!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2021, 06:03:15 PM
I take it we aren't getting any cash for him then? Seems a bit of a waste.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 18, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
Ben White to villa to send the gooners into meltdown
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Post by: OCD on June 18, 2021, 06:10:43 PM
Go and get Adarabioyo.
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Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2021, 06:12:52 PM
Fuck it, Koopmeiners as the replacement covers CB and DM and scores fuckloads for a defender.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2021, 06:21:54 PM
Camara is the only CB I remember seeing us linked to
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Post by: jwarry on June 18, 2021, 06:54:35 PM
Doubt they would let him go unless we have someone lined up
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 06:58:23 PM
Cahill on a free will replace Engels. Then a Bid for Milner......
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 19, 2021, 07:01:02 AM
Cahill on a free will replace Engels. Then a Bid for Milner......
both still decent players.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 19, 2021, 07:03:44 AM
The guy who called both Martinez and Barkley way before they were announced has tweeted that we are in for Joachim Andersen as a replacement for Engels
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 19, 2021, 07:29:15 AM
The guy who called both Martinez and Barkley way before they were announced has tweeted that we are in for Joachim Andersen as a replacement for Engels

Well Lyon are a bit skint but I dont see the point of signing him! 25 years old. Used to playing 30+ games a season. Loves a card. Is he really going to want to play understudy to mings and konsa?

Maybe I'm wrong or being harsh but I would prefer someone 5 years younger who will grow with us. This is most certainly a Lange signing if true I would say


Edit** I did a bit of digging and found out he is an amazing ball playing centre back with great passing stats and can play both left and right side of defence. That makes him a no brainer then. Sign him up
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Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2021, 07:48:50 AM
The guy who called both Martinez and Barkley way before they were announced has tweeted that we are in for Joachim Andersen as a replacement for Engels

Been an unused sub for Denmark so far, maybe we should go after the two CBs already in their team?  That said we will always welcome a big Danish CB!
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Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2021, 07:53:12 AM
Just seen that Lyon paid 30m euros for him but then he ended up on a season long loan to Fulham.  Weird
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Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2021, 08:02:00 AM
Another reason to sign him 😁 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/12306485/joachim-andersen-tottenham-keen-on-signing-lyon-defender-who-is-currently-on-loan-to-fulham
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Post by: KevinGage on June 19, 2021, 12:53:14 PM
Anderson looked good in a poor Fulham team, from the bits I saw last season.

If he'd been with them from the start of the campaign they'd have probably stayed up.  Personally I don't see it. We have Mings and Konsa as pretty much a guaranteed CB pairing now, and Hause showed he's fine as next cab off the rank.

I don't think we'll be in for Tuanzebe either for the exact same reason. He'll need a regular run of games wherever he ends up next to get his career going again.

But a young 19-21 year old who's prepared to come on a bide his time and get the odd game in the cups etc is probably the way to go.
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Post by: OCD on June 19, 2021, 02:17:36 PM
The guy who called both Martinez and Barkley way before they were announced has tweeted that we are in for Joachim Andersen as a replacement for Engels

Well Lyon are a bit skint but I dont see the point of signing him! 25 years old. Used to playing 30+ games a season. Loves a card. Is he really going to want to play understudy to mings and konsa?

Maybe I'm wrong or being harsh but I would prefer someone 5 years younger who will grow with us. This is most certainly a Lange signing if true I would say


Edit** I did a bit of digging and found out he is an amazing ball playing centre back with great passing stats and can play both left and right side of defence. That makes him a no brainer then. Sign him up

That's some change of opinion in the same post!
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Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2021, 02:29:24 PM
Anderson looked good in a poor Fulham team, from the bits I saw last season.

If he'd been with them from the start of the campaign they'd have probably stayed up.  Personally I don't see it. We have Mings and Konsa as pretty much a guaranteed CB pairing now, and Hause showed he's fine as next cab off the rank.

I don't think we'll be in for Tuanzebe either for the exact same reason. He'll need a regular run of games wherever he ends up next to get his career going again.

But a young 19-21 year old who's prepared to come on a bide his time and get the odd game in the cups etc is probably the way to go.

but we have a few decent young centre backs that are in that position and probably deserve a chance before long. I'd rather we sign someone who can play centre back but is more regularly a defensive midfielder but would be an emergency cover at centre back, Pape Sarr looks a good bet for that (and is very young) but as I said yesterday Koomeiners would be top of the list for me because he has the added benefit of being one of the best free kick takers in the world right now.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 19, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
According to ‘sources’ Wolves are planning on selling Max Kilman.  For £5m would be a very decent back up Centre Half.
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Post by: OCD on June 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
You could argue that Bogarde could play DM or CD but he may need a little longer.
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Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2021, 03:05:36 PM
You could argue that Bogarde could play DM or CD but he may need a little longer.

He's top of my list of the kids that mean signing a youngster to be 4th choice doesn't feel a good idea.
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Post by: Mister E on June 19, 2021, 03:26:34 PM
Anderson looked good in a poor Fulham team, from the bits I saw last season.
If he'd been with them from the start of the campaign they'd have probably stayed up.  Personally I don't see it. We have Mings and Konsa as pretty much a guaranteed CB pairing now, and Hause showed he's fine as next cab off the rank.
I don't think we'll be in for Tuanzebe either for the exact same reason. He'll need a regular run of games wherever he ends up next to get his career going again.
But a young 19-21 year old who's prepared to come on a bide his time and get the odd game in the cups etc is probably the way to go.
but we have a few decent young centre backs that are in that position and probably deserve a chance before long. I'd rather we sign someone who can play centre back but is more regularly a defensive midfielder but would be an emergency cover at centre back, Pape Sarr looks a good bet for that (and is very young) but as I said yesterday Koomeiners would be top of the list for me because he has the added benefit of being one of the best free kick takers in the world right now.
Koopmeiner had a superb season just gone.
Market value on Transfermkt of £14.85m probably means he's gettable for around £30m (that website always seems very undervalue - JG is valued at £58.5m).)
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 19, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
The guy who called both Martinez and Barkley way before they were announced has tweeted that we are in for Joachim Andersen as a replacement for Engels

Well Lyon are a bit skint but I dont see the point of signing him! 25 years old. Used to playing 30+ games a season. Loves a card. Is he really going to want to play understudy to mings and konsa?

Maybe I'm wrong or being harsh but I would prefer someone 5 years younger who will grow with us. This is most certainly a Lange signing if true I would say


Edit** I did a bit of digging and found out he is an amazing ball playing centre back with great passing stats and can play both left and right side of defence. That makes him a no brainer then. Sign him up

That's some change of opinion in the same post!

It mainly hinged on the fact he can play both sides of defence, cover for mings and konsa. Konsa can then cover for cash if needed. Hause can cover for target. It just seemed to make perfect sense when I looked it up.

I also didn't realise how good his passing was which is something we need as we fanny around with it at the back alot sometimes
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Post by: OCD on June 19, 2021, 07:18:19 PM
I think Ashley Young will be covering for Targett!

In the last couple of games of the season, I much preferred moving Konsa to right back and having Hause at centre back than when we played El-Hommady at right back. That would point to another centre back but if it was an upgrade on Nakamba who was equally comfortable with playing centre back too, I would be fine with that!

Only problem with Koomeiners is that he's left footed which might mean we were getting a little over-balanced with left footed players.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2021, 07:28:01 PM
Andersson looked very good to me.
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Post by: Jimsta on June 19, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
I just don't get it why people think buy a player because he can cover central defence and left back, Let's find the best young players just for one position so he can be a master at that position in the future for example Konsa, I don't want see Konsa covering right back no more as he is the best Centre Half we got now.
No more 'and he can cover that position too.' let's buy the best out there as we are aiming for Europe now so let's start acting big.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2021, 09:03:36 PM
Just seen that Lyon paid 30m euros for him but then he ended up on a season long loan to Fulham.  Weird

It didn't work out for him at Lyon for whatever reason. He was good for Sampdoria in Serie A before that and I thought he played well for Fulham, their defensive record once he got in the team from mid October was pretty good.

Would be surprised if he came here just to be a reserve though.
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Post by: LukeJames on June 19, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
Let's find the best young players just for one position so he can be a master at that position
Looks like thats what we've been doing with the acadamy.
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Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
Let's find the best young players just for one position so he can be a master at that position
Looks like thats what we've been doing with the acadamy.

Yep, the academy is where you focus on that and you sign to fill gaps or to provide experienced cover so you don't have to rely on the youngsters.

A defensive midfielder who can cover at centre backin an emergency means we aren't putting players between Bogarde, etc and the team but we're not leaving ourselves 1-2 injuries from having to play him either.
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Post by: OCD on June 19, 2021, 11:41:42 PM
Let's find the best young players just for one position so he can be a master at that position
Looks like thats what we've been doing with the acadamy.

Yep, the academy is where you focus on that and you sign to fill gaps or to provide experienced cover so you don't have to rely on the youngsters.

A defensive midfielder who can cover at centre backin an emergency means we aren't putting players between Bogarde, etc and the team but we're not leaving ourselves 1-2 injuries from having to play him either.

Yep. Also Smith has shown he likes a settled team and we don't have Europe this year (but hopefully will do next season). At this point having 2 quality players per position would be a waste so it's better to have a strong first choice team with strong back-up options who can get more games because they can be used in different positions. By the time we're in the mix for CL places or qualifying for it we will then need to have strength in depth to cope with 2/3 games per week.
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Post by: Jimsta on June 20, 2021, 06:33:16 AM
The Academy is the future i agree, But we don't know if they ready for the big step up to the Prem, They need to go out on loan just like Grealish did to make him ready.
Smith said from the start he wants 2 players for every position that is why i don't understand people on here saying yes sign Alex Tuanzebe because he can play 2 poitions. ( Alex just example) . To me if you not going to give the player to succeed in his natural position then whats the point as he will never progress.
We are already so close having 2 players for every position having Young here now covers Targett, Who Know's about Cash cover i am hoping Guilbert is given the chance, Going forward the numbers are adding up now i just like to see a WOW signing for the number 10.
Then just need looking into the defence midfielder and cover for Konsa and i can see the Villa really kicking some Butt next season.
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Post by: Hillbilly on June 20, 2021, 07:48:22 AM
I’d love to see Thomas Müller play for the Villa. Never gonna happen mind.
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Post by: olaftab on June 20, 2021, 09:22:28 AM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 20, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
Good time to sneak signings in as well under cover of getting them vaccinated.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2021, 10:43:51 AM
Fucking hell. Is it any wonder we ultimately went down.

https://twitter.com/justin_avfc_/status/1406400533095665674?s=21
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Post by: CT on June 20, 2021, 11:27:13 AM
Fucking hell. Is it any wonder we ultimately went down.

https://twitter.com/justin_avfc_/status/1406400533095665674?s=21

“Young & Hungry”….
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Post by: nigel on June 20, 2021, 11:32:54 AM
Fucking hell. Is it any wonder we ultimately went down.

https://twitter.com/justin_avfc_/status/1406400533095665674?s=21

Okore could have done well, but he had that awful injury
Baccuna wasn’t that bad. He made a comment about how he would like to play champions league, which was blown up out of proportion and the crowd turned against him.

Helaneus had his shorts pulled down
Luna scored that goal vrs Arsenal
Tonev hmmmm
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2021, 11:52:16 AM
The Academy is the future i agree, But we don't know if they ready for the big step up to the Prem, They need to go out on loan just like Grealish did to make him ready.
Smith said from the start he wants 2 players for every position that is why i don't understand people on here saying yes sign Alex Tuanzebe because he can play 2 poitions. ( Alex just example) . To me if you not going to give the player to succeed in his natural position then whats the point as he will never progress.
We are already so close having 2 players for every position having Young here now covers Targett, Who Know's about Cash cover i am hoping Guilbert is given the chance, Going forward the numbers are adding up now i just like to see a WOW signing for the number 10.
Then just need looking into the defence midfielder and cover for Konsa and i can see the Villa really kicking some Butt next season.

In reality, the first team is the only one that really matters at the club and although it is encouraging to see success at youth and U23 team level, the real measure of success of that structure will be the number of players that come through into the first team. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 20, 2021, 12:28:12 PM
Bit of irony that we thought Jack would be in demand after a good tournament but I see the media are already on the case trying to flog SJM to Nan U/Liverpool after his showing for Scotland, no doubt Tyrone will be next 🙄
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 20, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
Just a shame Davis hasn't North Macadonian grandparents. >:(
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
Just a shame Davis hasn't North Macadonian grandparents. >:(

More likely that it would have been Darius Vassell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 20, 2021, 01:28:34 PM
Aye. Don't really want to throw shade at poor Davis, but the days when we had a host of duff squad players who we could hope to have a good international tournament in the hope of offloading them seems to be long gone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 20, 2021, 02:45:50 PM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.

Maybe stop agenda pushing and let people decide for themselves!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.

I disagree, the more people vaccinated the more chance of a full VP to witness our summer transfers come August.
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Post by: oldtimernow on June 20, 2021, 02:51:54 PM
Just a shame Davis hasn't North Macadonian grandparents. >:(

More likely that it would have been Darius Vassell.

benefits of a classical education
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2021, 02:52:57 PM

The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.






Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.






Maybe stop agenda pushing and let people decide for themselves!


What agenda would that be? And people can decide for themselves, he's not threatening to march them down to VP at gunpoint. And you inadvertently put the quote in spoilers, so I made it nice and big to remind people that


The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.
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Post by: oldtimernow on June 20, 2021, 02:55:30 PM
 

The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.






Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.






Maybe stop agenda pushing and let people decide for themselves!


What agenda would that be? And people can decide for themselves, he's not threatening to march them down to VP at gunpoint. And you inadvertently put the quote in spoilers, so I made it nice and big to remind people that


The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

benefits of a technical education  ;)
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
Is there a bad place to promote vaccinations? I would say on here is as good a place as any and if everyone gets it we can all get back to the way it was, or close to it much faster.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Just a shame Davis hasn't North Macadonian grandparents. >:(

More likely that it would have been Darius Vassell.

benefits of a classical education

Growing up in 80s rural Ireland? More likely the benefits of listening to Iron Maiden. :)
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Post by: Monty on June 20, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
Yep, just common sense. Unless, for reasons best not speculated upon, someone thinks of vaccine awareness as some sort of 'agenda'.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 20, 2021, 03:07:23 PM

The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.






Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.






Maybe stop agenda pushing and let people decide for themselves!


What agenda would that be? And people can decide for themselves, he's not threatening to march them down to VP at gunpoint. And you inadvertently put the quote in spoilers, so I made it nice and big to remind people that


The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

Post of the millennium. Great work Risso, and well done to Goldie too for the booster shot (pun intended).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 20, 2021, 03:10:17 PM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

cool.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
I think we should sign Robert Lewandowski.

Oh, and while we're here, does anyone know whether it is possible to get a walk-in vaccination somewhere in the B6 area today?
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 20, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
Dunno. There probably is, but they never seem to publicise this stuff..
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 20, 2021, 03:22:44 PM
I think we should sign Robert Lewandowski.

Oh, and while we're here, does anyone know whether it is possible to get a walk-in vaccination somewhere in the B6 area today?
not sure, mate - depends on your agenda, I guess.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 20, 2021, 03:23:12 PM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.
Thanks, I was unaware.
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Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2021, 03:25:43 PM
Damn you all and your agenda of wanting to minimise avoidable deaths in a pandemic, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 20, 2021, 03:26:20 PM

The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

Great job Risso - I won’t say much on here on the subject, but I am fed up with certain elements of our society this week pushing certain viewpoints contrary to the above.

To me, it’s our best chance of getting back to normal ASAP. And hopefully I can avoid quarantining in more hotels down route.

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Post by: Ads on June 20, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
We didn't Barry administer Pfizer?
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Post by: OCD on June 20, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
How many 18-21 year olds are there on here? I would have thought most would be onto the second jab by now :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 20, 2021, 04:20:52 PM
The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

Why are you posting this in the summer transfer thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with transfers.

Maybe stop agenda pushing and let people decide for themselves!

Well, I'm glad he posted it. I'm almost tempted to get a flight home as here in the land of the rising ineptitude,  I don't think I'll be getting anywhere near a vaccination this year.
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Post by: Monty on June 20, 2021, 04:27:24 PM
Wow Axl, I'm in the country known as perpetual frontrunners for incompetence and I'm getting mine next month.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 20, 2021, 04:33:36 PM
Ha! I used to live in Padua, so remember it well!

Maybe I'm being a little over critical, but there's far too much considering going on in Japan. My only hope for a near future vaccination is the university I work at deciding to vaccinate staff on campus. Which is starting to grow in popularity here.

Anyway, I've just noticed I'm on the summer transfer thread. Apologies to those hoping for some new signings news!

Good luck with your jab, Monty!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
I'm sure they will vaccinate the Olympic team. You still have enough time to learn trampolining if you start now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 20, 2021, 06:06:50 PM


The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.

You do talk some shit sometimes.

Just not on this occasion! 😉
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Post by: charlatan on June 20, 2021, 06:11:42 PM
Is there a bad place to promote vaccinations? I would say on here is as good a place as any and if everyone gets it we can all get back to the way it was, or close to it much faster.
Funerals
Fascist rallies
Venues under terrorist attack
In the centre circle while taking the knee
Football stadium based mass executions
etc
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: charlatan on June 20, 2021, 06:13:15 PM
basically anywhere it gets mixed up with another controversial agenda. think here is safe.
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Post by: yammers on June 20, 2021, 06:15:02 PM
Does anyone know where you can get a vaccination this weekend?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 20, 2021, 06:22:21 PM
Fucking hell. Is it any wonder we ultimately went down.

https://twitter.com/justin_avfc_/status/1406400533095665674?s=21

“Young & Hungry”….

That was the only time I had a bit of sympathy for Lambert tbh. We ended the previous season reasonabl o.k and with Benteke staying there was a bit of optimism around the place which was a rarity in those times so we needed to get in 2-3 decent players in 10-15m range rather than the rubbish we signed for about combined 30m that summer.

Lambert didn't help himself though getting in Kozak for 7m when we needed a more creative midfielder.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2021, 06:28:33 PM
Fucking hell. Is it any wonder we ultimately went down.

https://twitter.com/justin_avfc_/status/1406400533095665674?s=21

“Young & Hungry”….

That was the only time I had a bit of sympathy for Lambert tbh. We ended the previous season reasonabl o.k and with Benteke staying there was a bit of optimism around the place which was a rarity in those times so we needed to get in 2-3 decent players in 10-15m range rather than the rubbish we signed for about combined 30m that summer.

Lambert didn't help himself though getting in Kozak for 7m when we needed a more creative midfielder.

Young and hungry is not a bad starting point but we went young, hungry and cheap.  Around this time we also had issues with the coaches, bibs and cones, so we kinda doubled down on the craziness by having no coaches to take advantage of the player’s hunger.
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Post by: Risso on June 20, 2021, 07:01:58 PM
Young, hungry, cheap, and unfortunately in 95% of cases, utterly crap.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 20, 2021, 10:48:40 PM
How many 18-21 year olds are there on here? I would have thought most would be onto the second jab by now :)

My son's just had his invitation for his 1st jab sometimes next week. He's 27 and living in Brum.

Obviously I told him that...

The Villa Park vaccination hub is open all day today for anyone over 18. No appointment is necessary. Please pass this around and encourage all those not vaccinated so far to use this facility if they can.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2021, 11:13:56 PM
Young, hungry, cheap, and unfortunately in 95% of cases, utterly crap.

And we relied on them all coming good in order for the 'plan' to work.

Absolutely pathetic stuff, an excuse for buying cheap crud and making it look like some cunning plan.

If it had been that easy to do, every club would have been doing it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 20, 2021, 11:51:01 PM
If it had been that easy to do, every club would have been doing it.

It's not easy, but nor is it a plan completely without merit.

There isn't a massive difference in the theory between what we were doing around then, and Leicester buying Mahrez, Kante, Vardy and Schmeichel for less than the combined fee of what we were spending on Libor Kozak, then combining them with a load of Premier League has-beens and nearly-weres like Huth, Simpson, Drinkwater and er...Albrighton.

There's nothing different in principle to us signing Senderos from Fulham's reserves and them signing Huth from Stoke's reserves. Or us signing El-Ahmadi and them signing Kante.

They just scouted and integrated the right players for their "young and hungry plan", we went and gone done fucked it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 21, 2021, 12:30:05 AM
If it had been that easy to do, every club would have been doing it.

It's not easy, but nor is it a plan completely without merit.

There isn't a massive difference in the theory between what we were doing around then, and Leicester buying Mahrez, Kante, Vardy and Schmeichel for less than the combined fee of what we were spending on Libor Kozak, then combining them with a load of Premier League has-beens and nearly-weres like Huth, Simpson, Drinkwater and er...Albrighton.

There's nothing different in principle to us signing Senderos from Fulham's reserves and them signing Huth from Stoke's reserves. Or us signing El-Ahmadi and them signing Kante.

They just scouted and integrated the right players for their "young and hungry plan", we went and gone done fucked it.
Our signings under TSM2 ,the 'young and hungry' weren't too bad.The fee received for Benteke paid for everyone.Discards like Lowton and Westwood continued in the Prem.with Burnley.Vlaar returned home.The problem was the unwillingness to spend the extra.TSM2 wanted Cresswell from Ipswich but we balked at the fee and bought Bennett .We acted like a side just grateful to be in the top division which has been too often case in the last ...
Insert how long you have been following this great club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 21, 2021, 07:15:12 AM
I don’t think it helped having Lambert who was clueless asa coach.
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Post by: algy on June 21, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
Rumours today seem to be that we're interested in Pereira from Albion, and that any deal for James Ward-Prowse  is interested in a move to Villa but a deal's some way off.
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Post by: john e on June 21, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
I never thought the young and hungry plan was the worst thing in the world
I quite like the idea of it for where we were at that time

But it does need a better manager and better background staff to make it work with any success

To be fair any system plan or progressive ideas were doomed to failure if you have P Lambert at the helm so the whole thing is going to be nailed on failure before you even start
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 21, 2021, 08:47:02 AM
I think the playing staff were the least of our problems at that time, to be honest. The real issue was the cancerous bullying culture that Lambert allowed to take hold. How could young players coming in to that be expected to develop?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 21, 2021, 09:17:01 AM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up
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Post by: AV82EC on June 21, 2021, 10:24:38 AM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Rumours today seem to be that we're interested in Pereira from Albion, and that any deal for James Ward-Prowse  is interested in a move to Villa but a deal's some way off.
I think JWP would be a good signing, although not quite the dominant DM I was hoping for.  JWP is technically excellent, has incredible energy and resiliance - plays pretty much every minute for Southampton, versatile and has a touch of quality.  I think fans would take to him in the same way we have with McGinn.  My only concern is I'm not sure what is in Smiths mind for him fitting in.  I think he's better box to box than at DM and would be competing in the roles I think McGinn and Luiz should be battling for.

With all that said, he's Southamptons best player, their Captain and talisman.  I doubt they need to sell and if they did need money have some other sellable assets.  I think it would take a pretty huge bid to get him and I just don't see how we can do that with our other needs and FFP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on June 21, 2021, 10:50:24 AM
any of you lot watch solihull moors play when villa are away pre covid that is ?

looks like we are looking to sign solihull 6 foot 9 striker Kyle Hudlin . Would he be decent for championship football ?
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Post by: john e on June 21, 2021, 11:19:40 AM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up
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Post by: OCD on June 21, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
I don't think it's hard to believe that Ward-Prowse would want to join us.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 21, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
I don't think it's hard to believe that Ward-Prowse would want to join us.
or that Sarfamton would be willing sellers for the right price.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on June 21, 2021, 12:34:12 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned
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Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2021, 12:54:44 PM
I don't think it's hard to believe that Ward-Prowse would want to join us.
or that Sarfamton would be willing sellers for the right price.

they are always willing sellers if the price is right
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on June 21, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned

I’d query anyone posting rumours from that bunch of lying click bait wankers. It staggers me people’s lack of an internal edit function, they just rehash any old shit and expect the rest of us to do the editing for them. Well bollocks to that.

And yes I will die on this hill of forever ridiculing and questioning people who quote FootballInsider.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 21, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because its a rumour  thread ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 21, 2021, 01:07:31 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned

I’d query anyone posting rumours from that bunch of lying click bait wankers. It staggers me people’s lack of an internal edit function, they just rehash any old shit and expect the rest of us to do the editing for them. Well bollocks to that.

And yes I will die on this hill of forever ridiculing and questioning people who quote FootballInsider.

Give it a rest will you, your talking nonsense. Its a rumour thread. It probably is a load of crap but thats what a rumour thread is for . How hard is that to comprehend?
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Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2021, 01:08:36 PM
Spot on. It is a thread for rumours. Something to talk about on a football forum.

Smith Rowe and Ward Prowse would be good signings squad wise. Still need a backup centre forward for me.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 21, 2021, 01:13:39 PM
Spot on. It is a thread for rumours. Something to talk about on a football forum.

Smith Rowe and Ward Prowse would be good signings squad wise. Still need a backup centre forward for me.

I agree mate. Id be thrilled with both. Arsenal see us a threat now so cant see them seeing SR to us unfortunately.

Hopefully  WP is interested as we are a bigger and more ambitious club than Southampton
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2021, 02:09:47 PM
Arsenal fans are so triggered this morning. Some claiming we are disrespecting them for bidding on their players, buying the ones they want, beating them constantly, making them a greater laughing stock than they already are. That kind of stuff.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 21, 2021, 02:10:19 PM
Seen us linked with Julian Alvarez from River Plate today. Don't know anything about him, but apparently is a right winger that seems fairly highly rated.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on June 21, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned

I’d query anyone posting rumours from that bunch of lying click bait wankers. It staggers me people’s lack of an internal edit function, they just rehash any old shit and expect the rest of us to do the editing for them. Well bollocks to that.

And yes I will die on this hill of forever ridiculing and questioning people who quote FootballInsider.

Yeah but he did tell you to take it with a pinch of salt which is what you should’ve done Instead of getting your knickers in a tangle On that hill of yours
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Post by: algy on June 21, 2021, 02:28:59 PM
Seen us linked with Julian Alvarez from River Plate today. Don't know anything about him, but apparently is a right winger that seems fairly highly rated.
I was half expecting us to go in for South American players this summer. Relatively untapped market just opened up this year, and we're one of a small number of clubs able to make moves.
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Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2021, 02:29:56 PM
Seen us linked with Julian Alvarez from River Plate today. Don't know anything about him, but apparently is a right winger that seems fairly highly rated.

Never seen him other than a youtube video I watched when I saw the same story but there's a bit of a debate over whether he's a striker who can play wide or a winger who can play centrally but either way that's exactly what I want as our cover for Watkins, means both get plenty of game time but leaves space for Wesley to be rehabilitated into the squad. For £15m he seems like a fantastic option.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 21, 2021, 02:38:54 PM
Seen us linked with Julian Alvarez from River Plate today. Don't know anything about him, but apparently is a right winger that seems fairly highly rated.
I was half expecting us to go in for South American players this summer. Relatively untapped market just opened up this year, and we're one of a small number of clubs able to make moves.

With all the talented south American players we have you would think we are heavily looking at this market
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Post by: OCD on June 21, 2021, 02:42:58 PM
How's he going to get on with getting a visa when he's only made one appearance for the national team? Special dispensation perhaps because of the size of the fee?
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Post by: jwarry on June 21, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
Argentina Villa bring it on!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 21, 2021, 03:09:06 PM
How's he going to get on with getting a visa when he's only made one appearance for the national team? Special dispensation perhaps because of the size of the fee?
He's bound to have played (not checked mind) regularly in the Argentine league and Copa Libertadores, which from my understanding would possibly be enough to get a work permit now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 21, 2021, 04:02:49 PM
FootballInsider (yes, I know) reckons we're upping the bid to £30m for Smith-Rowe.  Arsenal are preparing to brace themselves, whatever that means.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2021, 05:00:22 PM
How's he going to get on with getting a visa when he's only made one appearance for the national team? Special dispensation perhaps because of the size of the fee?
He's bound to have played (not checked mind) regularly in the Argentine league and Copa Libertadores, which from my understanding would possibly be enough to get a work permit now.

Yeah, the new rules make it much easier for non-EU players to get clearance to play. Especially South Americans as the Copa Libertadores is classed as equal to the Champions League. Any player playing for one of the really big South American sides would likely have no issues getting permission to sign. So long as they are 18 or over.

Decent article about it here if you're bored while Austria and Ukraine are shitfesting a draw...

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/
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Post by: nigel on June 21, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned

I’d query anyone posting rumours from that bunch of lying click bait wankers. It staggers me people’s lack of an internal edit function, they just rehash any old shit and expect the rest of us to do the editing for them. Well bollocks to that.

And yes I will die on this hill of forever ridiculing and questioning people who quote FootballInsider.

Give it a rest will you, your talking nonsense. Its a rumour thread. It probably is a load of crap but thats what a rumour thread is for . How hard is that to comprehend?

Very 😉
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 21, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Can we possibly have less squabbling? Thank you.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2021, 06:13:32 PM
Mason Mount & Ben Chilwell to self-isolate after coming in close contact with Billy Gilmour

What a fucking stupid rule. Surely the entire Scotland team has to and most of England. Jack likely still won’t get a start.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on June 21, 2021, 06:15:28 PM
Mason Mount & Ben Chilwell to self-isolate after coming in close contact with Billy Gilmour

What a fucking stupid rule. Surely the entire Scotland team has to and most of England. Jack likely still won’t get a start.
No doubt Southgate will tell Jack to self isolate because he glanced at Mount as he went to get breakfast the next morning
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Post by: Tayls_7 on June 21, 2021, 06:48:46 PM
Southgate's enormous snoz will keep the squad safe from future infections.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2021, 06:54:06 PM
Mason Mount & Ben Chilwell to self-isolate after coming in close contact with Billy Gilmour

What a fucking stupid rule. Surely the entire Scotland team has to and most of England. Jack likely still won’t get a start.
No doubt Southgate will tell Jack to self isolate because he glanced at Mount as he went to get breakfast the next morning

fucking hell I'm an idiot. Put this in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 21, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
How's he going to get on with getting a visa when he's only made one appearance for the national team? Special dispensation perhaps because of the size of the fee?
He's bound to have played (not checked mind) regularly in the Argentine league and Copa Libertadores, which from my understanding would possibly be enough to get a work permit now.

Yeah, the new rules make it much easier for non-EU players to get clearance to play. Especially South Americans as the Copa Libertadores is classed as equal to the Champions League. Any player playing for one of the really big South American sides would likely have no issues getting permission to sign. So long as they are 18 or over.

Decent article about it here if you're bored while Austria and Ukraine are shitfesting a draw...

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/
That's a great article. Reading through it, if you appear in ONE matchday squad for a top division team in Brazil or Argentina you're more than half way to a work permit off the bat. Play 80% or more of their games and that's you with a work permit, even for relegation fodder clubs.

I'd think a halfway promising player from those countries would have no bother getting a permit ... or a player at a biggish club from Colombia, Uruguay, or Chile.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2021, 07:27:11 PM
Argentina Villa bring it on!

Well, we've a lot in common with Buenos Aires clubs such as River Plate and Boca Juniors in that we're not big enough to carry the name of the city.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Argentina Villa bring it on!

Well, we've a lot in common with Buenos Aires clubs such as River Plate and Boca Juniors in that we're not big enough to carry the name of the city.

Yep, like Juventus, Benfica, Feyenoord, Inter…
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2021, 07:36:17 PM
Every club in Rio, every club in Istanbul...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2021, 07:37:44 PM
Every club in Rio, every club in Istanbul...

İstanbul Başakşehir?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2021, 07:39:04 PM
Argentina Villa bring it on!

Well, we've a lot in common with Buenos Aires clubs such as River Plate and Boca Juniors in that we're not big enough to carry the name of the city.

Yep, like Juventus, Benfica, Feyenoord, Inter…

Sport Lisboa e Benfica.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
Every club in Rio, every club in Istanbul...

İstanbul Başakşehir?

Ah these blow ins, dammit. Let's say real clubs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 21, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
Argentina Villa bring it on!

Well, we've a lot in common with Buenos Aires clubs such as River Plate and Boca Juniors in that we're not big enough to carry the name of the city.

Yep, like Juventus, Benfica, Feyenoord, Inter…

Sport Lisboa e Benfica.

Glorioso slb

God I miss matchdays there almost as much as I've missed Villa Park this last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Glorioso slb

I prefer the Sporting version of 'SLB'. ;)
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 21, 2021, 08:39:13 PM
Glorioso slb

I prefer the Sporting version of 'SLB'. ;)

I threw up in my mouth a little bit there haha.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2021, 08:54:52 PM
Every club in Rio, every club in Istanbul...

İstanbul Başakşehir?

Ah these blow ins, dammit. Let's say real clubs.

Arguably Fluminense albeit a demonym.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2021, 09:28:17 PM
Yeah but then you could argue 'Aston Villa' is a metonym.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2021, 09:29:08 PM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2021, 09:53:53 PM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 21, 2021, 10:15:04 PM
I know jack shit about the South American leagues. What are the defensive levels like over there? Just for perspective.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2021, 10:19:56 PM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 21, 2021, 10:29:11 PM
You know you’re on the right trajectory when you read the likes of that.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2021, 10:34:13 PM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.


and there you have them ! entitled much ? 😀
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2021, 10:38:43 PM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.

And that from a club that!’s never been promoted.
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Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2021, 11:22:23 PM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?




He's pretty decent on Pro Evo. I always used to loan him out, however.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 21, 2021, 11:25:00 PM
Football insider allege that they ahve been told Ward prowse is interested in coming here.

I would take that with a pinch of salt as this site is notorious for making things up

So if they’re known for making it up why are you quoting it?

Because the stuff they make up we don’t like

But the stuff we like we hope they didn’t make up

It’s a transfer rumour thread.
The source is unreliable, but it’s still a rumour.
My guess is if it had been posted by a H&V big hitter it wouldn’t have been questioned

I’d query anyone posting rumours from that bunch of lying click bait wankers. It staggers me people’s lack of an internal edit function, they just rehash any old shit and expect the rest of us to do the editing for them. Well bollocks to that.

And yes I will die on this hill of forever ridiculing and questioning people who quote FootballInsider.

Give it a rest will you, your talking nonsense. Its a rumour thread. It probably is a load of crap but thats what a rumour thread is for . How hard is that to comprehend?

Don't worry about it. It usually happens when you beat someone to a rumour that's just popped up. I've also committed the crime of mentioning a football insider rumour on the BBC website without triple checking it's  validity. I didn't know then that football insider were beyond the pale. These days I just contact the player's involved directly 😉.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2021, 11:30:25 PM
Mason Mount & Ben Chilwell to self-isolate after coming in close contact with Billy Gilmour

What a fucking stupid rule. Surely the entire Scotland team has to and most of England. Jack likely still won’t get a start.
No doubt Southgate will tell Jack to self isolate because he glanced at Mount as he went to get breakfast the next morning

Can we keep the Euros-chatter out of the sexy transfer thread where we all dream of opulent new signings?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 21, 2021, 11:49:33 PM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.

Bricking it! We know our place alright. Founding fathers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: martyn ellis on June 21, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
According to my very good friend Jorge, who is a lifelong fan, member and was once even on the board of River Plate and took me around the stadium a couple of years back, Julian Alvarez is a terrific player. here's what he just 'whatsapped' to me (and I translate):
"He is a player with an incredible goal-scoring capability, very strong, great ball control. If he goes to Villa they will not be disappointed ... at the moment he is in the team playing in the 'Copa de America'."
And this guy knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 22, 2021, 12:25:15 AM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
According to my very good friend Jorge, who is a lifelong fan, member and was once even on the board of River Plate and took me around the stadium a couple of years back, Julian Alvarez is a terrific player. here's what he just 'whatsapped' to me (and I translate):
"He is a player with an incredible goal-scoring capability, very strong, great ball control. If he goes to Villa they will not be disappointed ... at the moment he is in the team playing in the 'Copa de America'."
And this guy knows what he is talking about.

Looks good in the video. Both feet too. He'll be wanting to play ⚽ with Jack next season as well I suppose.

Utv.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on June 22, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
According to my very good friend Jorge, who is a lifelong fan, member and was once even on the board of River Plate and took me around the stadium a couple of years back, Julian Alvarez is a terrific player. here's what he just 'whatsapped' to me (and I translate):
"He is a player with an incredible goal-scoring capability, very strong, great ball control. If he goes to Villa they will not be disappointed ... at the moment he is in the team playing in the 'Copa de America'."
And this guy knows what he is talking about.

Sign him up. Let's go!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2021, 06:41:36 AM
Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
According to my very good friend Jorge, who is a lifelong fan, member and was once even on the board of River Plate and took me around the stadium a couple of years back, Julian Alvarez is a terrific player. here's what he just 'whatsapped' to me (and I translate):
"He is a player with an incredible goal-scoring capability, very strong, great ball control. If he goes to Villa they will not be disappointed ... at the moment he is in the team playing in the 'Copa de America'."
And this guy knows what he is talking about.

Sign him up. Let's go!

Most of the clips make him look like a classic centre forward but Transfermarkt reckon his preferred position is RW.  Potentially a great option from the bench whilst he finds his feet in a new country offering an alternative to Watkins, Buendia and different formations…
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Post by: Gareth on June 22, 2021, 07:49:08 AM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.

Shouda woulda coulda…..very definition of an Arsenal fan

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on June 22, 2021, 08:16:19 AM
Alexa, define rattled...

Quote
I can't stand Aston Villa. We were absolutely dreadful last season, woeful for the main, they did the double over us and we STILL finished 6 points clear.
All over Twitter, constantly seeing Villa fans giving it the large one, saying they'll overtake us.
How about jog on you muggy little cretins, know your place.
We should have relegated them when we had the chance

Some Arsenal Tarquin.

Shouda woulda coulda…..very definition of an Arsenal fan



Know your place!

Arsenal the club that got voted into the top division.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 22, 2021, 08:53:37 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 22, 2021, 08:59:35 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!
Yeah - thought especially with Arse having a bid rejected at the same time as they rejected ours - that it feels like maybe it's got a bit more to it than most rumours.

Gut feeling is that we'll be seeing Grealish - Smith Rowe - Buendia next season.

Ironically the front 3 Arsenal fans might've hoped for
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Post by: exigo on June 22, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
Watching the Alvarez clips makes me think we didn't just buy the best keeper in Argentina, we look to have bought the only keeper in Argentina.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

Smith Rowe hasn't signed a new contract with them which adds to the speculation.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 22, 2021, 09:56:55 AM
So, we're being linked vaguely with this Liverpool right back Neco Williams. 10m doesn't seem mad money (traffic light transfer  rumour system = red)
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Post by: LukeJames on June 22, 2021, 10:01:10 AM
Who the fuck do we think are we bidding for Arsenal players? Were is the respect for London's 4th best team ffs.
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Post by: algy on June 22, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
So, we're being linked vaguely with this Liverpool right back Neco Williams. 10m doesn't seem mad money (traffic light transfer  rumour system = red)
Would make sense for us I think.  Apparently going more because he's not happy with the number of games he's getting rather than Liverpool not rating him.  We'd offer a more obvious route for him in to the first team.  If we do get him, I guess we'll not be seeing Freddie again.
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Post by: AllanW on June 22, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
So, we're being linked vaguely with this Liverpool right back Neco Williams. 10m doesn't seem mad money (traffic light transfer  rumour system = red)

 :)
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Post by: john e on June 22, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

Yep that’s what I think as well I don’t believe in the trolling thing I don’t think Purslow is that sort of fella so they must’ve had some feedback from his agent or someone to give them some confidence to keep going

The Smith Rose thing took us all by surprise really and at first I didn’t think there was a chance of it but the more it goes on the more you start to wonder

If Smith Rowe wants to come all he has to do really is not sign a new contract with Arsenal
 then they have a choice let his contract run out next season and they get nothing or take the money now
it’s a no brainer they’re going to take the 32 million or whatever it is than losing for nothing
So in a way he’s got them over a barrel

If it does happen it will be the most incredible signing we have ever pulled off in my lifetime imo

We will be taking top young talent from one of the so-called super six
People looking for a statement of intent well this will be it

So fingers crossed


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Post by: andyh on June 22, 2021, 10:58:19 AM
I am not doubting the ESR is a very talented player.

But fecking hell, if we are bidding over £32m on a kid who has 20 odd premier league games under his belt then our club has some serious money to invest.
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Post by: john e on June 22, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
I am not doubting the ESR is a very talented player.

But fecking hell, if we are bidding over £32m on a kid who has 20 odd premier league games under his belt then our club has some serious money to invest.

Or big balls
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Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2021, 11:05:58 AM
I am not doubting the ESR is a very talented player.

But fecking hell, if we are bidding over £32m on a kid who has 20 odd premier league games under his belt then our club has some serious money to invest.

Or big balls

Or big balls, serious money and a set up that everyone is taking notice of and want to be a part of. Oh how we've dreamed of this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PGW on June 22, 2021, 11:07:24 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

Yep that’s what I think as well I don’t believe in the trolling thing I don’t think Purslow is that sort of fella so they must’ve had some feedback from his agent or someone to give them some confidence to keep going

The Smith Rose thing took us all by surprise really and at first I didn’t think there was a chance of it but the more it goes on the more you start to wonder

If Smith Rowe wants to come all he has to do really is not sign a new contract with Arsenal
 then they have a choice let his contract run out next season and they get nothing or take the money now
it’s a no brainer they’re going to take the 32 million or whatever it is than losing for nothing
So in a way he’s got them over a barrel

If it does happen it will be the most incredible signing we have ever pulled off in my lifetime imo

We will be taking top young talent from one of the so-called super six
People looking for a statement of intent well this will be it

So fingers crossed



If we offered a huge cash lump as part of the deal i think Arsenal would jump at the deal. They owe so many clubs on previous transfer deals and they will jump at an up front deal
to ease their debts.
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Post by: AGRIPPA on June 22, 2021, 11:19:52 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

He’s only played a dozen games ain’t he??!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on June 22, 2021, 11:40:25 AM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

smith rowe is in contract negotiations with arsenal and current deal has 2 years left to run (it was signed 3 years ago when he was 17).

it toughens his negotiating hand to have us in the background.

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Post by: OCD on June 22, 2021, 12:40:58 PM
With Smith-Rowe, I have no expectations of it happening but it would be an even bigger statement than Buendia preferring us from the outset. There would be some real creativity in the team too with Watkins, Grealish, Smith-Rowe, Buendia and Traore and El Ghazi as immediate options and Trezeguet to come back.

Add Ward-Prowse and a top quality midfield general and we'll be going places.

The Williams lad, I don't see that happening when we've got Kessler coming through and if he wants to leave Liverpool to get games, is he going to get games when Cash is a regular?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 22, 2021, 12:49:41 PM
With Smith-Rowe, I have no expectations of it happening but it would be an even bigger statement than Buendia preferring us from the outset. There would be some real creativity in the team too with Watkins, Grealish, Smith-Rowe, Buendia and Traore and El Ghazi as immediate options and Trezeguet to come back.

Add Ward-Prowse and a top quality midfield general and we'll be going places.

The Williams lad, I don't see that happening when we've got Kessler coming through and if he wants to leave Liverpool to get games, is he going to get games when Cash is a regular?

I can't see the Williams link happening either, Cash will be the starter. Indeed I can't see us getting another fullback in now as Young can cover for Targett and Cash and we also have Guilbert coming back (who I rate highly).

The Argentinian player linked might happen though. Both Traore and Alvarez can play wing or as a striker which with Wesley around is probably a good way to cover Watkins but still have game time in other positions for Traore /  Another player (possibly Alvarez).

I would be quite excited if we got both Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe in, it would be a very exciting set of players and would allow better rotation, better use of subs, and better options if Jack gets injured.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 22, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
Ward-Prowse, Smith-Rowe, Bissouma, and a full season from Watkins and Jack = top four. Alvarez would be nice too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2021, 12:57:42 PM
It doesn't really matter whether any of us rate Guilbert highly. Smith obviously doesn't, so I'll be surprised if we don't sign at least one defender. Doesn't have to be a right back, necessarily, as signing an extra centre-half allows Konsa to go right back again.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
What I am loving about this window is that pretty much all of us on here have been brothers and sisters through some of the most shit years in our history. So this is the emergence on the other side of it that all hoped for. We deserve this. To enjoy our club and not be petrified of the future because of clowns on and off the pitch. Our proverbial nuts have kicked many, many times to the point they are no longer recognizable, so this now a period of healing and dare I say it, a bit of bravado to look forward to if we get it right. I’m delighted that we can enjoy this, because too many fans of other clubs have enjoyed our slow decline into irrelevance. We are back and we are going to make some noise.
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Post by: Moonraker on June 22, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
Hear hear TV. We are really getting to annoy some other clubs now.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 22, 2021, 01:25:19 PM
Neco Williams seems an odd one. If he wants to leave Liverpool for first team football, surely he won't sign for us as backup to Cash.
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Post by: andyh on June 22, 2021, 01:35:07 PM
Great post TV.

I think some of the newer fans of the ‘sell out 6’ who have no comprehension of footballing history are going to be shocked to feck when little old Villa come roaring back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 22, 2021, 01:37:01 PM
Julian Alvarez of River Plate gathering pace on Twatter and other online nonsense sources. Seems to have legs, the story and Alvarez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
I am not doubting the ESR is a very talented player.

But fecking hell, if we are bidding over £32m on a kid who has 20 odd premier league games under his belt then our club has some serious money to invest.

I just can't see it with Smith-Rowe, but if it simply serves the purpose to show the likes of Arsenal that we intend to compete and potentially overtake them, then I think it's a shrewd approach. 

If we are going to spend that kind of money though, I would prefer it to be invested in a quality defensive midfielder.  Given Ashley Young's versatility, if we get s top DM in, then I think we only need a back up centre half to replace Engels and a back up centre forward. 
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Post by: Ads on June 22, 2021, 01:58:44 PM
Source seems to be this:

 Link (https://twitter.com/River_Corazon_1/status/1407301717759307778?s=19)
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Post by: OCD on June 22, 2021, 02:27:46 PM
Source seems to be this:

 Link (https://twitter.com/River_Corazon_1/status/1407301717759307778?s=19)

Using Google Translate -

"We are in a position to say it after having checked it with many sources.

 From England they tell us that Aston Villa has just bought Julian Álvarez for 20 million dollars.

 River together with the player, gave the yes

 Goodbye 🕷

 Come back, don't forget"
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Post by: OCD on June 22, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
What I am loving about this window is that pretty much all of us on here have been brothers and sisters through some of the most shit years in our history. So this is the emergence on the other side of it that all hoped for. We deserve this. To enjoy our club and not be petrified of the future because of clowns on and off the pitch. Our proverbial nuts have kicked many, many times to the point they are no longer recognizable, so this now a period of healing and dare I say it, a bit of bravado to look forward to if we get it right. I’m delighted that we can enjoy this, because too many fans of other clubs have enjoyed our slow decline into irrelevance. We are back and we are going to make some noise.

Being the hunters is a lot more fun than being the hunted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on June 22, 2021, 02:39:48 PM
Well the last bloke we bought from River Plate turned out alright so hope it’s true
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2021, 02:41:50 PM
Ajax were also keen and it was reported that his agent was to visit both clubs. Somewhere else I read River Plate will let the player decide where he wants to go. The price is 15m€, mentioned to be his get-out clause. River Plate are happy with the money. Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Ads on June 22, 2021, 02:42:25 PM
Is he any good?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2021, 02:44:47 PM
Is he any good?

Julien Alvarez for 15 mill?  Never heard of him, cue the obligatory Youtube vids.  Anyone any the wiser?
According to my very good friend Jorge, who is a lifelong fan, member and was once even on the board of River Plate and took me around the stadium a couple of years back, Julian Alvarez is a terrific player. here's what he just 'whatsapped' to me (and I translate):
"He is a player with an incredible goal-scoring capability, very strong, great ball control. If he goes to Villa they will not be disappointed ... at the moment he is in the team playing in the 'Copa de America'."
And this guy knows what he is talking about.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 22, 2021, 02:56:42 PM
So basically the general strategy appears to be to buy qood quality English talents still with room to improve further in their 20s like Watkins, Konsa, Cash, maybe Smith-Rowe, maybe Ward-Prowse and mix with a smattering of Brazilian and Argentinian talent like Martinez, Buendia, Wesley, Luiz and this Alvarez chap.

I like this strategy very very much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2021, 02:56:47 PM
It's truly making me smile that we're not being linked with any defensive midfielders, and instead we seem to be assembling all the parts for a machine that's going to realise my dreams of a Villa side that just goes out to batter the opposition.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2021, 03:02:51 PM
Is he any good?

I can only go by youtube highlights but for me he looks like a guy who will follow a similar path to Watkins, starting his career out wide before ending up as a centre forward on top of that he seems to play off the defenders shoulder in the same way so I can see the sense in going for him in terms of continuity. For the fee listed he seems like a great option, despite never having heard of him until the last day or so I'll be a bit disappointed if we don't get him now.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 22, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.
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Post by: Risso on June 22, 2021, 03:10:17 PM
So basically the general strategy appears to be to buy qood quality English talents still with room to improve further in their 20s like Watkins, Konsa, Cash, maybe Smith-Rowe, maybe Ward-Prowse and mix with a smattering of Brazilian and Argentinian talent like Martinez, Buendia, Wesley, Luiz and this Alvarez chap.

I like this strategy very very much.

We've had worse!  Much, much worse!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 22, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
It's truly making me smile that we're not being linked with any defensive midfielders, and instead we seem to be assembling all the parts for a machine that's going to realise my dreams of a Villa side that just goes out to batter the opposition.
Yeah, bollocks to defensive midfielders. That 7-2 win against Liverpool - that's what we want every week, none of this "oh we've scored 1 we'd better defend our lead" rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.
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Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
It is the CDBullyWee-approved summer transfer policy and it looks like the club are reading his posts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on June 22, 2021, 03:16:04 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2021, 03:17:22 PM
He hopefully will be able to play anywhere across the front three positions plus deputy for Ollie. Hopefully not brought in to play on the right wing, I want to see Emi B there. I'll also be disappointed if we don't get him now.
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Post by: Richard E on June 22, 2021, 03:17:34 PM
It's truly making me smile that we're not being linked with any defensive midfielders, and instead we seem to be assembling all the parts for a machine that's going to realise my dreams of a Villa side that just goes out to batter the opposition.

Southgate is gonna hate it when he replaces Dean Smith after the Euros.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 22, 2021, 03:17:56 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.

yeah it was a tongue-in-cheek comment really. One of those where you have to trust the manager/scouts because you can't judge as no-one knows anything about him really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2021, 03:18:32 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.

That's an interesting point john.
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Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2021, 03:25:45 PM
Gerd Muller was 5ft 7in target man. I will take someone like him any day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2021, 03:27:08 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.

That's an interesting point john.

I think he's nailed it in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 22, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
He hopefully will be able to play anywhere across the front three positions plus deputy for Ollie. Hopefully not brought in to play on the right wing, I want to see Emi B there. I'll also be disappointed if we don't get him now.
Gives us the option of Emi B or Jack as a 10,add in any forward position and we should be getting high quality options for the first XI.
There is also the possibilty of Chukeuemeka making an impact next season.
Exciting times.
.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2021, 03:31:01 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.

That's an interesting point john.

I think he's nailed it in.

Like Der Hammer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 03:32:00 PM
5ft 7in? Not a target man then.

I'm in no way making a comparison here but that's the same height as Aguero who I think is/was a fantastic targetman but only if you extend the term beyond someone who gets 60 yard punts aimed at his head by the defence. Aguero taking passes with his back to goal and either turning or playing someone else in was key to Man City for years.


so not as Bruce used Scott Hogan?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2021, 03:36:53 PM
His agent, Fernando Hidalgo is a partner of HAZ Sport Agency and are third party owners of their players. The other partner is probably more well known to most, Pini Zahavi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2021, 03:37:00 PM
It's truly making me smile that we're not being linked with any defensive midfielders, and instead we seem to be assembling all the parts for a machine that's going to realise my dreams of a Villa side that just goes out to batter the opposition.

Southgate is gonna hate it when he replaces Dean Smith after the Euros.

We're trolling the England manager, aren't we?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 22, 2021, 03:37:49 PM
It's truly making me smile that we're not being linked with any defensive midfielders, and instead we seem to be assembling all the parts for a machine that's going to realise my dreams of a Villa side that just goes out to batter the opposition.

Southgate is gonna hate it when he replaces Dean Smith after the Euros.
Prepare for a starting line up of Martinez: Cash,Konsa,Mings (capt),Targett:
McGinn,Nakamba,Hourihane: Ramsey,Watkins,Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2021, 04:03:40 PM
Norwich have signed Milot Rashica....... Who doesn't like a relegation fight.....

I wonder if we agreed to stand aside as part of Buendia deal, or plain just weren't interested.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gary Penrice on June 22, 2021, 04:05:26 PM
Milot Rashica signs for Norwich!!!! He must have got a liking for relegation battles now!
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Post by: OCD on June 22, 2021, 04:19:23 PM
Not only did he not want to be in a relegation battle but he thought Birmingham was too small a city for him!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
I wonder if he has a relegation clause?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 22, 2021, 04:27:35 PM
I think we were never in for him, even last summer. I will be interested to see how he does.
9m though seems a bargain
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Post by: Des Little on June 22, 2021, 04:34:47 PM
He can whistle. Quite apt given that he’s going to the Canaries.
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Post by: algy on June 22, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
I think we were never in for him, even last summer. I will be interested to see how he does.
9m though seems a bargain
It was widely reported we'd had a bid accepted for him, so we quite possibly were interested then.  It was, however, spun out by his agent for a couple of months after we'd lost interest.

However, since that point we've moved considerably further up the food chain.  I'd guess we're looking at players we rate more highly than we do Rashica.
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Post by: andyh on June 22, 2021, 04:37:47 PM
Norwich using villa money(buendia fee) to buy a player villa have been supposedly chasing for ages.
Quality shithousing……well done Norwich.
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Post by: richtheholtender on June 22, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
Norwich have signed Milot Rashica....... Who doesn't like a relegation fight.....

I wonder if we agreed to stand aside as part of Buendia deal, or plain just weren't interested.




Who got relegated with Werder Bremen
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Post by: placeforparks on June 22, 2021, 06:13:06 PM
so rashica went from being linked with rb leipzig, milan and napoli, to ending up at norwich.

well done to his agent...
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Post by: stubbsyandy on June 22, 2021, 06:25:35 PM
He hopefully will be able to play anywhere across the front three positions plus deputy for Ollie. Hopefully not brought in to play on the right wing, I want to see Emi B there. I'll also be disappointed if we don't get him now.
Gives us the option of Emi B or Jack as a 10,add in any forward position and we should be getting high quality options for the first XI.
There is also the possibilty of Chukeuemeka making an impact next season.
Exciting times.
.

Emi B..like it even if it sounds like an electricity supplier
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Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 06:31:46 PM
so rashica went from being linked with rb leipzig, milan and napoli, to ending up at norwich.

well done to his agent...

It's all about the Benjamins and both will have earned more dollar with each move.
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Post by: rob_bridge on June 22, 2021, 07:06:20 PM
We need 4 CBs.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2021, 07:12:59 PM
We need 4 CBs.
Agreed
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Post by: andyh on June 22, 2021, 07:30:21 PM
11 mins in, Tim Vickery talks about Villa and Alvarez and makes a mighty comparison!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09m547k
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 07:35:24 PM
Fucking hell. There aren’t many greater authorities on South American football than Tim Vickery. Calls Alvarez pure class and reminds him of Gary Shaw.

SIGN HIM UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!!
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 22, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Fucking hell. There aren’t many greater authorities on South American football than Tim Vickery. Calls Alvarez pure class and reminds him of Gary Shaw.

SIGN HIM UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!!

Absolutely this!
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Post by: Jon Crofts on June 22, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
so rashica went from being linked with rb leipzig, milan and napoli, to ending up at norwich.

well done to his agent...

It's pretty much London Milot yes.
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Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 08:51:40 PM
11 mins in, Tim Vickery talks about Villa and Alvarez and makes a mighty comparison!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09m547k

Ooh - at what minute? The Argentinian Gary Shaw...can you fuckin' imagine ?!
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Post by: Astral Weeks on June 22, 2021, 08:56:54 PM
Has Agent Martinez been fully briefed?
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Post by: Tayls_7 on June 22, 2021, 08:58:39 PM
11 mins in, Tim Vickery talks about Villa and Alvarez and makes a mighty comparison!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09m547k

Ooh - at what minute? The Argentinian Gary Shaw...can you fuckin' imagine ?!

Fucking hell.  If I'm going to have to start pinning posters from Shoot magazines back on my bedroom wall again my missus is going to go off her tits.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 22, 2021, 09:00:02 PM
Tim Vickery really knows his stuff, so this is exciting. Sign the lad up!
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Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2021, 09:02:13 PM
Literally everything I can find online from people who've watched him is positive, sounds like a superb prospect, it is good to see that from someone like Vickery who has a great track record when it comes to south american football.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2021, 09:04:57 PM
are we definitely after him ?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 09:10:09 PM
are we definitely after him ?

rumours are that we are in discussions with him/his agent and the fact that Vickery brought it up adds significant weight to those stories.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 22, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup-qualifying-conmebol/story/4343684/wonderkids-of-south-america-alvarezveronkaio-jorge-lead-all-star-list%3fplatform=amp

He's one of his wonderkid picks from earlier this year.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
are we definitely after him ?

rumours are that we are in discussions with him/his agent and the fact that Vickery brought it up adds significant weight to those stories.



more creative talent , i wonder if that would mean we sell elghazi
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Post by: Ads on June 22, 2021, 09:22:30 PM
Let's not forget Barkley has gone and Emi has replaced him, but Trez is out long term too and we need an upgrade. El Ghazi is more than worth keeping.
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Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 10:16:04 PM
My Argentinian mate, who I'm slowly converting from Arsenal (he lives in one of the flats on the old Highbury stadium) to Villa - he was eyeing-up the 1957 Villa retro shirt online the other day, said this: "Usually Gallardo, River's manager, does not let the young players go too soon but I heard he was pushing to play in Europe. Amazing forward, he also plays as a winger sometimes."
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2021, 10:29:03 PM
My Argentinian mate, who I'm slowly converting from Arsenal (he lives in one of the flats on the old Highbury stadium) to Villa - he was eyeing-up the 1957 Villa retro shirt online the other day, said this: "Usually Gallardo, River's manager, does not let the young players go too soon but I heard he was pushing to play in Europe. Amazing forward, he also plays as a winger sometimes."

Gallardo is meant to be a great manager.  I did read that there’s a release clause hence the relatively low fee, so Gallardo might not have much choice in the sale.

I live around the corner from your mate and there are a surprising number of Villa tops about.
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Post by: andyh on June 22, 2021, 10:50:38 PM
Percy now saying we are back in for ESR.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2021, 10:57:32 PM
How many attacking midfield/wingers can we have? Not that I'm complaining, I'd play ten of them. Fuck it, eleven. El Ghazi is tall he can play rush goalie.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 10:58:14 PM
ESR, Buendia and Alvarez. Proper young and hungry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 11:00:32 PM
Percy also banging about Romeu of Southampton who’s a very solid player.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Percy also banging about Romeu of Southampton who’s a very solid player.


Exactly the type of player that we need.
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Post by: Ads on June 22, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Doesn't he have an ACL injury too?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2021, 11:21:28 PM
£32.5m bid submitted for Smith Rowe apparently.
If these rumours are true, surely we must have had some positive vibes from the Smith Rowe camp that he is willing to join us else why would we bother - unless we are just trolling them to put them off our other targets!!

He’s only played a dozen games ain’t he??!!!!!!!!

Was a regular in their team from December and apparently they were 2nd best peforming prem team from December 26th (shows how dismal they were in 1st half of last year).

Buendia himself only played 20 odd games at prem level. Smith Rowe also had a pretty good loan at Huddersfield the previous season and he was also sent on loan to RB Leipzig who are pretty good nowadays but picked up injury straight away so he only played 3-4 times.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2021, 11:38:10 PM
Could be wrong but this Alvarez link reminds me of that Urguayan attacking player we were linked with a few weeks ago....signed Buendia about two days later so he could be link while we pursue others.

Just seen likes of Arsenal and Spurs are looking at Joaquin Correa, he's a wide forward type who's done well for Lazio last few seasons and mid 20s. Scored 11 Serie A and CL goals last season so that's a higher level one I'd be looking at as someone like Alvarez would need a good six months to adjust given he's 20 and would be moving to europe for first time.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 22, 2021, 11:58:50 PM
Alvarez would need a good six months to adjust given he's 20 and would be moving to europe for first time.

Which would be fine considering the touted fee and our current squad, no?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2021, 12:12:28 AM
I'd imagine quite a few non-Europeans settle relatively quickly, even at that age.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 12:15:00 AM
I think in part we are planning ahead to a time without Jack. And that’s absolutely the right thing to do. We all hope he stays forever but chances are he won’t. And we probably owe that to him if we fall short of where he wants us to be. So getting all these talented players in while we have him and giving it a real good go is going to be a lot of fun. And if we do fall short the drop off without him won’t be as sharp.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on June 23, 2021, 12:21:11 AM
I think we would see a Traore-style adaption period where we start the season with a relatively settled team of players that know the country and the league and those from outside would be eased in.

Interesting that we're not letting the ESR thing go, I hope it pans out. Smith clearly wants to have a bench that can change a game as and when needed and seems to show his frustration at not having those options last season. As well as seeing how we struggled for creativity when Jack was missing for so many games.
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Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 12:50:24 AM
The drop off when Jack was out was astonishingly steep. That didn’t go unnoticed. Part of that certainly falls on the manager but part will fall on the talent available to continue to play at a high level and not change too much our general tactical approach. Without Jack it all falls apart and we cannot be so dependent on one player and one style of play.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2021, 01:23:45 AM
The drop off when Jack was out was astonishingly steep. That didn’t go unnoticed. Part of that certainly falls on the manager but part will fall on the talent available to continue to play at a high level and not change too much our general tactical approach. Without Jack it all falls apart and we cannot be so dependent on one player and one style of play.

With what we're signing Traore and AEG will go to impact off the bench option which isn't too bad given both can score and have hot spells in games.

Could really do with a striker DS can trust to throw on from 60th minute mark. Quite interesting the amount of times Davis only got used from after 80th minute last season. For example when we were losing at Burnley we put on two wide players and he only came on in 87th minute.

We need impact he made v Fulham from whoever the backup striker is next season on a regular basis. Wes can then fill Davis role of being 3rd striker in the squad as surely Kienan will finally get loaned out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2021, 05:30:31 AM
Alvarez looks looks like a striker on his highlights reel Soccer. He might be playing wide right too, but he looks and moves like a 9 not a winger. He does look like he'd need a bit of time to adapt, but he's the sort of punt at his age and fee we should be taking, we have the squad now to give a player time.

Smith Rowe must have made some encouraging noises for us to be bidding, but I'm afraid we are being used to get him a bummer contract. If we get him I'm sure that's our Jack replacement longer term.

Interesting that we are looking for a specialist set piece coach. With Konsa and Mings, and the amount of fouls Jack draws, it makes a lot of sense to improve that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 23, 2021, 06:28:36 AM
Smith Rowe must have made some encouraging noises for us to be bidding, but I'm afraid we are being used to get him a bummer contract. If we get him I'm sure that's our Jack replacement longer term.
At the Arse, no less.
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Post by: Monty on June 23, 2021, 08:56:30 AM
Well if not Smith Rowe, that Saka fella looks decent, and links up with our Jack decently and all. We'll 'ave 'im.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on June 23, 2021, 09:35:39 AM
Well if not Smith Rowe, that Saka fella looks decent, and links up with our Jack decently and all. We'll 'ave 'im.

Saka's probably the best player Arsenal have produced from their youth ranks since Ashley Cole, or a pre-injury-nightmare Jack Wilshere.  I think we have even less chance of getting him than Smith-Rowe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2021, 09:48:06 AM
Well if not Smith Rowe, that Saka fella looks decent, and links up with our Jack decently and all. We'll 'ave 'im.

Saka's probably the best player Arsenal have produced from their youth ranks since Ashley Cole, or a pre-injury-nightmare Jack Wilshere.  I think we have even less chance of getting him than Smith-Rowe.

I know, I was just messing about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.

Have we given up on Sanson already? Smith was suggesting when we bought him that the club had been tracking him for some time...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: wolfman999 on June 23, 2021, 09:57:28 AM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.

Have we given up on Sanson already? Smith was suggesting when we bought him that the club had been tracking him for some time...

I'd read he was 'difficult to manage' whatever that means.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on June 23, 2021, 10:08:28 AM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.

Have we given up on Sanson already? Smith was suggesting when we bought him that the club had been tracking him for some time...
Depends on what we're trying to do, I guess.  But I'd see it that if we're to push for the top end of the table, we need 20+ players we can interchange in the first team.  It's not that crazy, IMO, to think that we might want a 5 players competing for those 2 central midfield berths:
- McGinn
- Douglas Luiz
- Sanson
- Ward Prowse (or whoever we're targeting)
- Nakamba (or a better DM)

All offer something a bit different to the others, so we can tailor our midfield to the opposition.  If it's not working, then we have players on the bench who'll be able to change the focus of the team without significantly weakening it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on June 23, 2021, 11:28:32 AM
I like the look of Julien Alvarez I hope we sign him.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2021, 11:41:13 AM
I like the look of Julien Alvarez I hope we sign him.

Me too. Looks like a bargain.
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 23, 2021, 12:06:55 PM
Need Emi to take him for a game of pool.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 23, 2021, 12:52:02 PM
Rowe looks a very good prospect.
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Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
I like the look of Julien Alvarez I hope we sign him.

Me too. Looks like a bargain.

You and Darren are always plotting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 23, 2021, 01:23:55 PM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.

Have we given up on Sanson already? Smith was suggesting when we bought him that the club had been tracking him for some time...

I'd read he was 'difficult to manage' whatever that means.

Any quotes or other information?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
I like the look of Julien Alvarez I hope we sign him.

Me too. Looks like a bargain.

Same here and no harm in us being seen as the Argentine gateway to the PL should there be any more top talent. Over to Agents Emi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2021, 01:53:34 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

Makes your eyes water

Lets keep this in mind when we start clammering to build a mega stadium - Spurs in the same boat as well
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

Makes your eyes water

Lets keep this in mind when we start clammering to build a mega stadium - Spurs in the same boat as well

I suspect our stadium development will be fully funded and baked in to the value of the club not loans like those 2. I also suspect we're looking at a significantly less extravagant budget for it the London effect works negatively for clubs sometimes.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2021, 02:30:12 PM
Tottenham got loads of it paid by taxpayers, didn't they?
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Post by: Risso on June 23, 2021, 02:42:57 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

Makes your eyes water

Lets keep this in mind when we start clammering to build a mega stadium - Spurs in the same boat as well

I suspect our stadium development will be fully funded and baked in to the value of the club not loans like those 2. I also suspect we're looking at a significantly less extravagant budget for it the London effect works negatively for clubs sometimes.

There's was a complete knockdown and rebuild though.  Can't see us ever doing that, I reckon North Stand gets done in the next five years, then the Witton after that.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2021, 02:50:01 PM
Yep. I'm not even sure if they'll do the Witton, it's hard to see what they can do to increase the capacity with the space they've got to work with.
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Post by: OCD on June 23, 2021, 02:52:04 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

Yet they’re still likely to spend a fortune. Heavily linked to various players and may be spending £50m on Ben White.

You start to realise why the ESL interested them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on June 23, 2021, 04:42:32 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

I wonder if the credit card is maxed out yet
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2021, 07:27:05 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

Makes your eyes water

Lets keep this in mind when we start clammering to build a mega stadium - Spurs in the same boat as well

I suspect our stadium development will be fully funded and baked in to the value of the club not loans like those 2. I also suspect we're looking at a significantly less extravagant budget for it the London effect works negatively for clubs sometimes.

There's was a complete knockdown and rebuild though.  Can't see us ever doing that, I reckon North Stand gets done in the next five years, then the Witton after that.

Yep, there's plenty of reasons why the work on our ground won't cost anything like the same as those 2.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rodders on June 23, 2021, 07:45:24 PM
Let us not forget that Sawaris has a substantial stake in Lafarge (cement producer) and owns a construction and engineering firm.

Those pulling the purse strings on the eventual B6 redevelopment have more than an inkling about what they're doing - more, say, than their  shiny-shoed, emoji loving, smart city-toting shyster predecessor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on June 23, 2021, 07:46:31 PM
What about Ward-Prowse, is that dead? And, apols if i missed it, but is Douggeee definitely not going back to Citeh?

If half of these players join, I can see Sanson quickly departing, Ramsey going out on-loan for a year and Hourihane given a season loan somewhere while we pay most of the last 12 months of his wages.

Have we given up on Sanson already? Smith was suggesting when we bought him that the club had been tracking him for some time...

I'd read he was 'difficult to manage' whatever that means.

Any quotes or other information?

His family are Portsmouth supporters and want him out.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on June 23, 2021, 09:54:50 PM
Sanson's family are Portsmouth supporters? =O  I'm still expecting CB and DM...  All well and good getting these here Fancy Dans in but we still looked flakey at the back last year.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2021, 10:02:36 PM
Sanson's family are Portsmouth supporters? =O  I'm still expecting CB and DM...  All well and good getting these here Fancy Dans in but we still looked flakey at the back last year.

I want a DM AND more FDs.

I think we’re all right for CBs.
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Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2021, 10:30:09 PM
Sanson's family are Portsmouth supporters? =O  I'm still expecting CB and DM...  All well and good getting these here Fancy Dans in but we still looked flakey at the back last year.

I want a DM AND more FDs.

I think we’re all right for CBs.

One DM is no good, you need a pair.
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Post by: London Villan on June 23, 2021, 10:31:41 PM
Three if you are 1-0 up.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 23, 2021, 11:00:10 PM
You wonder why Arsenal are vulnerable.

Arsenal looking at cumulative losses of circa £250m over the last three seasons. Stadium debt and other structual debt has increased from £175m to £350m. Total debt including player monies owed and Barclays approaching £500m.

I think Arsenal and Spurs are there for the taking. They can't afford to put up a fight. I think all they're doing is moving the deckchairs to make it look like nothings changing. That the old order is still in tact. I hope that's the case anyway. I'm wondering if our owners have smelt blood and are looking to gatecrash the party. I certainly hope so 😁

Utv.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 11:26:42 PM
With managerial uncertainty at Spurs and Everton, Arteta always being on the edge of crisis, it remains to be seen of Moyes can repeat at West Ham or was it just an anomaly given his more recent PL record, and if Bielsa can elevate Leeds, we have a legitimate chance to attack the top 6.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2021, 11:38:07 PM
With managerial uncertainty at Spurs and Everton, Arteta always being on the edge of crisis, it remains to be seen of Moyes can repeat at West Ham or was it just an anomaly given his more recent PL record, and if Bielsa can elevate Leeds, we have a legitimate chance to attack the top 6.

Man Utd are nothing special.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
With managerial uncertainty at Spurs and Everton, Arteta always being on the edge of crisis, it remains to be seen of Moyes can repeat at West Ham or was it just an anomaly given his more recent PL record, and if Bielsa can elevate Leeds, we have a legitimate chance to attack the top 6.

Man Utd are nothing special.

Yet they still beat us twice and finished second 19 points clear. Realistically we aren’t in the hunt for a top 2 or 4 spot. Over the course of the season they will be better than us and finish higher. Our aim right now has to top 6-8. It would be a great season if we got into the Europa.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2021, 11:55:40 PM
Top four is achievable, we were within touching distance last year before Grealish got injured, and keep adding more brilliant players. Our record against the top four with Grealish in the team was two wins (including a 7-2 twatting), a draw, and two defeats. Hardly anything to be frightened of. And the two defeats were only by bloody cheating
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 11:57:44 PM
It’s about consistency. Not just about beating the top sides which aside from the Manchester sides we did. It’s about the sides in or around us or those fighting for points late on. I’m not saying it’s not possible and we haven’t seen everyone we will bring in yet. But it’s a hell of jump to go from 17th to 4th in two seasons.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 24, 2021, 12:00:10 AM
We are assuming Jack's staying aren't we.
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Post by: TonyD on June 24, 2021, 12:10:27 AM
Top 4 should be the aim.   No messing.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2021, 12:46:55 AM
It’s about consistency. Not just about beating the top sides which aside from the Manchester sides we did. It’s about the sides in or around us or those fighting for points late on. I’m not saying it’s not possible and we haven’t seen everyone we will bring in yet. But it’s a hell of jump to go from 17th to 4th in two seasons.

And we're spending a hell of a lot of money. You mentioned that we'd lost to Man U as evidence that we weren't ready to compete, I contrasted our record, with Grealish, against the top four. Which you're now sort of agreeing with me on, so fair enough.

As for consistency, again, we were pretty near the top four in terms of points per game before his injury. There were some poor results with him in the team, but you can lose the odd unexpected game and still win the league, let alone finish fourth. You'd hope we'd lose fewer if we continue to improve the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2021, 01:14:55 AM
We were being found out with Jack in the side even before his injury. Yes we are spending big again, and I hope you’re right that top 4 is reachable. I just think it’s a stretch. It’s like a diet. The last 10 lbs is harder to lose than the first 40. It gets very hard at the top and certainly to stay there across a full season. And as much Arsenal, Spurs, Everton etc all look dodgy now by the start of the season they will all have managers and will have spent a lot of money to change and improve what they have. So while I hope and expect us to finish higher it won’t be easy.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on June 24, 2021, 01:52:10 AM
Blimey, Toronto! You must have packed some weight on!!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2021, 02:21:30 AM
Blimey, Toronto! You must have packed some weight on!!

Haha lonely Covid cheeseburgers mate while watching Villa. It’s complicated
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Post by: OCD on June 24, 2021, 05:32:29 AM
Last season was a bit of a strange one with Covid. Short pre-season with very little rest bite for the players, no crowds meaning away teams doing better and most sides having a poor second half of the season. We might be able to compete with the likes of Leicester and stay in contention longer but it’s hard to say for the above reasons.
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Post by: Drummond on June 24, 2021, 06:51:25 AM
Respite.

Unless you're referring to TV's lazy burger eating.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2021, 07:55:09 AM
To have any chance of top 6 Smith needs to get a lot better at game management.
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Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2021, 08:24:51 AM
To have any chance of top 6 Smith needs to get a lot better at game management.


He does but also needs a squad to match with players on the bench who can really make a difference.
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Post by: brian green on June 24, 2021, 09:35:29 AM
To continue the diet metaphor the first steps are the easiest.  The weight you lose first is mostly water stored in your body.  Getting players who can secure Premiership survival is easier and cheaper than finding and getting players like Tyrone Mings and Ollie Watkins.  And keeping the ones like Jack that you already have.  The push for the top slots hinges on two factors.  Having the money and spending it wisely.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on June 24, 2021, 10:22:11 AM
Liverpool interested in SJM according to The Athletic..
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 24, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Liverpool interested in SJM according to The Athletic..

Seen this in a few places now, so think it is a genuine interest. Also seen that they think they can get him for £20m but we would want £50m. His value to us is higher than the £20m, and I really don't think Liverpool would pay £50m so can't see it happening unless McGinn forced a move.

On a purely football basis, if we lost McGinn but gained Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe then I think we would have a more balanced midfield. But my main concern is that he is very chummy with Jack, and I really don't want him at a 'Superleague wanker club' whispering to him about how great it is playing European football.

Plus it would be great to finally see Villa not sell when one of these clubs come knocking, and instead take players off them.

Certainly an interesting window.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 24, 2021, 10:51:39 AM
I'm sure Grealish has lots of mates at ESL clubs. Especially now.
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Post by: OCD on June 24, 2021, 11:15:24 AM
I’m a qualified nutritionist so the diet analogy is catching my eye 😂
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Post by: steamer on June 24, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
we tossed them off when they came looking for Barry
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2021, 11:21:19 AM
I’m a qualified nutritionist so the diet analogy is catching my eye 😂

I'm not a qualified nutritionist but I can confirm the last 10 lbs weren't harder to lose than the first 40 lbs which augurs well for Villa's top 4 chances.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Right, I want Smith Rowe, Saka, a strong DM (Bissouma will do) and a striker.  Never seen Alvarez, but wtf, he sounds exciting.

Easy enough?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2021, 12:25:58 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 24, 2021, 12:28:04 PM
I’m a qualified nutritionist so the diet analogy is catching my eye 😂

I used to see one along with a personal trainer many many years ago and shiiiiit you can make some dollar in that job.
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Post by: Ger Regan on June 24, 2021, 12:32:03 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.
Athletic article saying we have made enquiries but no more than that
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Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2021, 12:32:34 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Preece saying we are doing background checks, whatever that means….
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Post by: Risso on June 24, 2021, 12:34:48 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Preece saying we are doing background checks, whatever that means….

HPI check,to see if there's any oustanding finance. Also, 15 years worth of tweets in case he said something stupid whilst drunk once.
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Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 24, 2021, 12:42:58 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he

He will fit in a treat !
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he

Who is he, and why?
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Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2021, 12:57:16 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he

Who is he, and why?

Something along not wanting to come as a kid as "they're not my kind of people". So he went to Walsall, and now he's 27 and has gone to the barrell scrapers.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 24, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he

Who is he, and why?

Played centre mid at Brentford under Dean. He looked like a player but has fallen away by the sound of it. No idea about the tit bit.
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Post by: Small Rodent on June 24, 2021, 01:21:39 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Preece saying we are doing background checks, whatever that means….

HPI check,to see if there's any oustanding finance. Also, 15 years worth of tweets in case he said something stupid whilst drunk once.

John Gregory's "running the rule over the player".
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Post by: CT on June 24, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
“Moved to legend status before even putting the shirt on.....

"They (Villa) weren't my type of people".... when asked why he turned them down..“I said to my dad: ‘If you make me go, I’ll train badly so they don’t take me on anyway’.

Aint that the truth”


Shame we’ve missed out on such a good solid professional. He’ll be on the mural by next week.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 01:43:12 PM
“Moved to legend status before even putting the shirt on.....

"They (Villa) weren't my type of people".... when asked why he turned them down..“I said to my dad: ‘If you make me go, I’ll train badly so they don’t take me on anyway’.

Aint that the truth”


Shame we’ve missed out on such a good solid professional. He’ll be on the mural by next week.

Idiot.
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Post by: dr.chekov on June 24, 2021, 01:48:10 PM
Far be it from me to defend their new signing, but didn’t we have a bullying problem at the academy back in the day?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2021, 02:09:11 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Yesterday's man and club.

I'd really like him signed up asap as well.

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Post by: Axl Rose on June 24, 2021, 02:31:00 PM
Ryan Woods is a bit of a tit isn’t he

He can't be very good if he's gone to that lot.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2021, 02:35:58 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Yesterday's man and club.

I'd really like him signed up asap as well.

From reports earlier in the week, his agent (read owner) is traveling today to meet Villa and Ajax.
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Post by: SaddVillan on June 24, 2021, 02:42:11 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/o7010m/villa_want_to_sign_another_attacking_player_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Article from The Athletic, which is behind a paywall   but has been helpfully transcribed.

Very interesting and encouraging to see the stats that are informing our transfer strategy.
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Post by: pooligan on June 24, 2021, 02:50:07 PM
I have just read that Small Heath have signed Jordan Graham .Free transfer and another Villa reject Some things never  change  How long before we read he has always been a bluenose and hated being at Villa for 11 years
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 24, 2021, 02:56:34 PM
Jordan Graham scored against us once too, which is better than most of them to be fair.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 04:07:31 PM
I like Ben White, but Arsenal paying £50m feels steep?

Will Konsa be in that bracket after another season?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2021, 04:09:33 PM
Any news on Julian Álvarez? There's a report in Spain claiming Messi wants Barca to sign him. Not sure how true it is but I'd like this one signed, sealed, delivered before other clubs (other than Ajax) realise what a talent and bargain Álvarez is.

Yesterday's man and club.

I'd really like him signed up asap as well.

From reports earlier in the week, his agent (read owner) is traveling today to meet Villa and Ajax.

Saw that, hopefully he's not a Bob Marley fan.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2021, 04:09:40 PM
I like Ben White, but Arsenal paying £50m feels steep?

Will Konsa be in that bracket after another season?

I need to be convinced he’s not there now if Ben White is.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
I like Ben White, but Arsenal paying £50m feels steep?

Will Konsa be in that bracket after another season?

I need to be convinced he’s not there now if Ben White is.
He can't be far off for sure.
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Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2021, 06:19:30 PM
I have just read that Small Heath have signed Jordan Graham .Free transfer and another Villa reject Some things never  change  How long before we read he has always been a bluenose and hated being at Villa for 11 years

Doesn't matter now, it will be a very long time before they give us any trouble again
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2021, 08:15:20 PM
I just moved a house today that was 50/50 split Blues/Baggies....very hard to remain professional.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2021, 08:16:37 PM
Top four is achievable, we were within touching distance last year before Grealish got injured, and keep adding more brilliant players. Our record against the top four with Grealish in the team was two wins (including a 7-2 twatting), a draw, and two defeats. Hardly anything to be frightened of. And the two defeats were only by bloody cheating

We need to get far better at getting some points if we're 1 down going into half time. Only 5 points all season from losing positions is pretty poor tbh when you think in the MON seasons we regularly came back from 1 down (can remember a game at Sunderland, we were losing, YOung got sent off and we still won 2-1).

Having a better bench will help but DS has to use it before 80th minute e.g. double sub on the hour or something and a striker who can come off the bench and score the odd goal would help aswell. Even Harewood could do that role for half a season so won't need to find anyone extraordinary to do that role.

60 points would be my target for next season, would give us a good shout for around 6th.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 24, 2021, 08:36:39 PM
I just moved a house today that was 50/50 split Blues/Baggies....very hard to remain professional.

where did you leave it 😀
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
I just moved a house today that was 50/50 split Blues/Baggies....very hard to remain professional.

where did you leave it 😀

Storage King... Awaiting burning/decontamination, they are moving to Barmouth so almost Into The Sea!!
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Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2021, 09:31:16 PM
Ben White is quality, I think £50 is steep, but it's what I'd want for Konsa, so fair enough. Great signing for Arsenal in their position though, really strengthens them.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 09:54:20 PM
Ben White is quality, I think £50 is steep, but it's what I'd want for Konsa, so fair enough. Great signing for Arsenal in their position though, really strengthens them.

£50? Bargain!
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Post by: algy on June 25, 2021, 05:58:40 AM
Not saying there's anything in it, but Arsenal kicked back our ESR bid the same day they had a bid rejected for Ben White. We've increased our bid, and a couple of days later they've increased their one for White by the same amount ...
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 25, 2021, 06:45:00 AM
I dont think white is all that great to be honest.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2021, 08:40:21 AM
2 in by this time next week I reckon. I think smith row will be one of them
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 25, 2021, 09:07:12 AM
Wrong thread.

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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2021, 09:21:08 AM
Not many links to the missing DM. He’d be even more vital if we are hoping to play ESR, JG and EB in the same team.
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Post by: AllanW on June 25, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
Not many links to the missing DM. He’d be even more vital if we are hoping to play ESR, JG and EB in the same team.

You're right on both counts but I see that as a positive; the track-record this management team are establishing is one of doing all the hard work behind closed doors, executing the plans they come up with efficiently and silently then announcing when it's done. It's how we should know that everything in the media which doesn't fit with that model is complete and utter bullshit.

Everything I've seen so far about possible DM's has not come from the club so it's bullshit. But they know better than us what targets they are going for and I expect they have been working their plans assiduously. We'll hear when it's done.
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Post by: AllanW on June 25, 2021, 11:51:02 AM
With the latest rumours circulating I refer the Honourable Gentlemen to my post of the 28th of last month on this thread; it all appears to be occuring.

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Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2021, 11:54:36 AM
Not many links to the missing DM. He’d be even more vital if we are hoping to play ESR, JG and EB in the same team.

It's our Sansom the brave!
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Post by: OCD on June 25, 2021, 12:00:24 PM
Few links to Romeu, including the Telegraph. He’s got one of the best track records for tackles and interceptions and is very professional. Southampton’s record without him in the team isn’t good and between him and JWP, he’s the one their fans least want to lose. Could be an astute bit of business.
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Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2021, 12:13:56 PM
Are Southampton our new Brentford? "Fuck off Villa, leave our players alone!" they will cry. It used to be Liverpool that did it to them, so I guess it's a sign we're progressing...Still, Ings is the one I'd really want off them.
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Post by: OCD on June 25, 2021, 01:13:34 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 25, 2021, 01:19:44 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.

Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 25, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.

Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months

Wasn't Andy Townsend about that age when we signed him. An experienced head or two would help the team no end. Think thats why we got Young in.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 25, 2021, 01:31:25 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.

Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months

Wasn't Andy Townsend about that age when we signed him. An experienced head or two would help the team no end. Think thats why we got Young in.

Perhaps. I can see that reasoning. Maybe i'm still locked into a "value for money" mindset.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2021, 01:47:08 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.

Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months

Wasn't Andy Townsend about that age when we signed him. An experienced head or two would help the team no end. Think thats why we got Young in.

Perhaps. I can see that reasoning. Maybe i'm still locked into a "value for money" mindset.

I can see the justification for a couple of old heads but not specifically Inngs as I doubt he would be a first choice.  I cannot think of the player but a world class (but potentially declining) 30 year old DM would be ideal both for our immediate needs and to develop the likes of Luiz/Sanson/McGinn.
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Post by: Mister E on June 25, 2021, 01:48:40 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.
Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months
Wasn't Andy Townsend about that age when we signed him. An experienced head or two would help the team no end. Think that's why we got Young in.
We have Young and Martinez; there's Mings and Grealish. All 4 are experienced heads.
Andy Townsend was bought eons ago at a time when experienced bargins was the market we were shopping in.
I'm not averse to bringing in more experience, but it has to be someone who combines quality with experience in  a position that particularly requires it, like DMF.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2021, 03:01:57 PM
Experienced bargains? He cost £2m which was a fortune back then, and we had just finished runner up in the PL.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on June 25, 2021, 03:27:44 PM
Yes, Townsend was expensive given the price and his age. Aged 31 I think, and a £2.1m transfer. Fortunately he did well for us justified the outlay.
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Post by: Des Little on June 25, 2021, 03:46:16 PM
Has anybody mentioned our warchest yet? That’s when the party really starts
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Post by: rob_bridge on June 25, 2021, 04:00:19 PM
Yes, Townsend was expensive given the price and his age. Aged 31 I think, and a £2.1m transfer. Fortunately he did well for us justified the outlay.

29 about to turn 30. A player missed badly when he left for dressing room input.
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 25, 2021, 04:41:00 PM
I think we should put a bid in for that Torres lad at City
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Post by: Smithy on June 25, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
You know what, if our owners really are as rich as everyone says, if I were them I'd start leaking stories to the press that we are interested in Phil Foden for £80m, as we want to play him with Jack, Emi and Ollie in the league's best attacking line-up.
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Post by: Drummond on June 25, 2021, 04:59:50 PM
You know what, if our owners really are as rich as everyone says, if I were them I'd start leaking stories to the press that we are interested in Phil Foden for £80m, as we want to play him with Jack, Emi and Ollie in the league's best attacking line-up.

With Greenwood as back up, Rice in the centre of the park and job done.
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Post by: OCD on June 25, 2021, 05:03:34 PM

Wrong thread.



Highly rated.
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Post by: jwarry on June 25, 2021, 05:04:27 PM
You know what, if our owners really are as rich as everyone says, if I were them I'd start leaking stories to the press that we are interested in Phil Foden for £80m, as we want to play him with Jack, Emi and Ollie in the league's best attacking line-up.

With Greenwood as back up, Rice in the centre of the park and job done.

It will come! But our problem right now is we don’t have European football to offer
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Post by: villadelph on June 25, 2021, 05:09:45 PM
You know what, if our owners really are as rich as everyone says, if I were them I'd start leaking stories to the press that we are interested in Phil Foden for £80m, as we want to play him with Jack, Emi and Ollie in the league's best attacking line-up.

With Greenwood as back up, Rice in the centre of the park and job done.

It will come! But our problem right now is we don’t have European football to offer, yet.

Fixed that for you  ;)
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Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2021, 09:22:55 PM
Villa wanted their signings in by the time they all reported back to training, those not involved in tournaments that is.  Should mean another one in next week then as they are back to on July 5th?  Hopefully a couple more at least.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2021, 09:59:57 PM
He doesn’t meet our profile of age or record of staying fit.

Tend to agree seeing he's 30 in 2 months

Wasn't Andy Townsend about that age when we signed him. An experienced head or two would help the team no end. Think thats why we got Young in.

We'd have never signed McGrath  or Kevin Richardson either so exceptions should be made for certain positions imo particularly if said player isn't coming in as a first choice which seems to be the strategy with Young.

Would be interested as to the average age of teams that actually trophies at the end of last season. Leicester had actually a fair few in their team over 30 winning the cup although of course they've had a few of them for 7-8 years now.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2021, 10:18:26 PM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.
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Post by: Villan82 on June 25, 2021, 10:36:18 PM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.

And his sale coincided with that very dodgy spell in 97/98.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2021, 10:57:36 PM
It was a surprise we let him go so early in 97/98. I know we'd signed Grayson that summer but he really wasn' on same level and was just mediocre squad option.

Did he ever have a memorable game for us? Can remember hardly anything of him or even when he left or who we sold him to so as nondescript signing as you can get.

Townsend went to Boro anyway and think he captained them to promotion and then was regular when they finished mid table the next season.

Mind you in those days Boro were paying way more in wages than us, they signed Merson was was first choice at Arsenal that summer so guess wage increase in his mid 30s was big factor.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 12:12:01 AM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.

I’d probably say in terms of football ability, leadership and overall impact within the club Stan Petrov comes close to him.
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Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2021, 12:46:00 AM
It was a surprise we let him go so early in 97/98. I know we'd signed Grayson that summer but he really wasn' on same level and was just mediocre squad option.

Did he ever have a memorable game for us? Can remember hardly anything of him or even when he left or who we sold him to so as nondescript signing as you can get.


Did he have a couple of goalscoring performances in the FA Cup one year (Portsmouth and West Brom rings a bell)?
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Post by: Jimsta on June 26, 2021, 06:52:48 AM
I do remember Grayson scoring a great goal against West Brom in the cup around the 5th minute in a 4-0 win. I was in high  hopes about Grayson as the season before he got player of the season for Leicester and getting him on a free also, But apart from that goal i can not remember anything else.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.

Agree with that. Townsend was the last time we had a 'midfield general'. It's what we are lacking now too, a combative player with a good range of passing and a leader too.

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Post by: sid1964 on June 26, 2021, 10:57:19 AM
How quickly people forget Djemba - Djemba (the ultimate midfield general)
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Post by: nigel on June 26, 2021, 10:58:03 AM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.

Agree with that. Townsend was the last time we had a 'midfield general'. It's what we are lacking now too, a combative player with a good range of passing and a leader too.

Delph could/should have been that player.

Yes, he let us down, and we can call him what we like, but he was a fine player
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 26, 2021, 11:00:32 AM
How quickly people forget Djemba - Djemba (the ultimate midfield general)

So good they named him twice
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Post by: john e on June 26, 2021, 11:32:00 AM
How quickly people forget Djemba - Djemba (the ultimate midfield general)

So good they named him twice

I always think it’s difficult to name the worst player you’ve ever seen play at Villa

But he’d certainly be a contender
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 11:45:32 AM
How quickly people forget Djemba - Djemba (the ultimate midfield general)

So good they named him twice

I always think it’s difficult to name the worst player you’ve ever seen play at Villa

But he’d certainly be a contender

Bernie Gallagher
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Post by: thick_mike on June 26, 2021, 12:13:54 PM
How quickly people forget Djemba - Djemba (the ultimate midfield general)

So good they named him twice

I always think it’s difficult to name the worst player you’ve ever seen play at Villa

But he’d certainly be a contender

Bernie Gallagher

Wash your mouth out!
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Post by: thick_mike on June 26, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
I still say that of all the players we've had since our last successful team, Andy Townsend is the one who's never been properly replaced.

Agree with that. Townsend was the last time we had a 'midfield general'. It's what we are lacking now too, a combative player with a good range of passing and a leader too.



James Milner when he moved to central midfield? He was awesome for a few months.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 12:19:06 PM
Tammy being linked again in the Mirror. Bid expected imminently.

Chelsea assuming the brace position.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2021, 12:24:31 PM
Tammy being linked again in the Mirror. Nid expected imminently.

Chelsea assuming the brace position.

Biggest statement of intent we could make IMO (apart from telling Citeh to fuck off). Strengthening a position in which we’ve already got one of the very best in the league, with another one of the best in the league.

Could be bullshit of course.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 12:28:41 PM
Could well be, but harvesting as many good young players as possible sounds like a decent recipe for succes. We need 2 forwards we can rely on.

I think Ollie would score more goals playing 5 or 6 games less, which sounds counter intuitive, but his style of play is so exhausting, I think he would benefit. I don't believe in luck, so 7 times hitting the woodwork, some fatigue in there?
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 26, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
Could well be, but harvesting as many good young players as possible sounds like a decent recipe for succes. We need 2 forwards we can rely on.

I think Ollie would score more goals playing 5 or 6 games less, which sounds counter intuitive, but his style of play is so exhausting, I think he would benefit. I don't believe in luck, so 7 times hitting the woodwork, some fatigue in there?

He might be better yes, but he’s used to doing it.  He barely missed a minute for Brentford over a 44 game season.  Pretty sure Smith has referenced this work rate and stamina as a reason for buying him too.  If it was a normal human being I’d definitely agree but it seems to be a strong part of Watkins’ game so the normal insurance policy may not be as critical.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
Could well be, but harvesting as many good young players as possible sounds like a decent recipe for succes. We need 2 forwards we can rely on.

I think Ollie would score more goals playing 5 or 6 games less, which sounds counter intuitive, but his style of play is so exhausting, I think he would benefit. I don't believe in luck, so 7 times hitting the woodwork, some fatigue in there?

I do think he went through spells where he was playing knackered. He works so hard he would certainly benefit from a rest when we have two games in short succession. Plus there is always the possibility of an injury, in which case we have to hope Wesley has come back from a bad injury a better player than he was before.

We need a another forward and Tammy would certainly fit the bill.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 12:49:53 PM
Tammy Abraham is a midtable striker.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Tammy Abraham is a midtable striker.

Scored plenty for chelsea last two seasons. How many teams have a player that good as second choice striker? none outside the 'superleague wankers'. Thats where we need to get to.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 12:53:25 PM
And was bombed out of the squad as soon as they started doing well. He misses 5 out of 6 good chances and his workrate is poor.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 12:56:34 PM
And was bombed out of the squad as soon as they started doing well. He misses 5 out of 6 good chances and his workrate is poor.

Their highest goal scorer was a defensive midfielder with 7 wasn't it? All penalties.

He's miles better than that clown Werner who inexplicably gets picked and going by your ration, need 456 chances to score. Unfortunately, he will be offside when he does.
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Post by: Jimsta on June 26, 2021, 12:59:24 PM
Tammy Abraham is a midtable striker.
I agree, Tammy did great for us in out promotion but his overall play to me is not good enough.
People have to remember Tammy was a Bruce signing so i don't think he is even on Dean's shopping list.
It's a no for me because for the price can do a lot better.
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Post by: CT on June 26, 2021, 01:00:05 PM
Tammy being linked again in the Mirror. Bid expected imminently.

Chelsea assuming the brace position.

Are we swooping?
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Post by: TonyD on June 26, 2021, 01:02:18 PM
Tammy doesn’t do it for me.  Great when we needed his goals in the championship but not for me in the PL.  Watkins is a better player.  I’d rather bring Brad Young in. 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Too early to be bringing in Brad Young, let him go on loan. Abraham would be a great addition.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 26, 2021, 01:04:38 PM
Tammy Abraham is a midtable striker.
we're a mid-table side at the moment. so it seems to fit well.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 01:06:49 PM
The team that won the league had a top scorer from midfield of 13 or something and mostly played no striker, but they scored goals from all over. Werner's movement is the best possible, and his finishing the worst, but at least that movement makes chances for others. Tammy contributes nothing in terms of top level movement and isn't much better in front of goal, and represents Evertonesque value for money.

Tammy Abraham is a midtable striker.
we're a mid-table side at the moment. so it seems to fit well.

If we really have ambitions not to be than we shouldn't be going in for such lazy, wheel-spinning, overvalued BigClub castoff type signings. I loved Tammy when he was with us, but he's got 9 goals for Palace written all over him.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 01:07:26 PM
Tammy scored double what Werner managed and in less games last season. Just because the baddie out of Raiders of the Lost Ark played the offside King, does not make him midtable.

He scored 18 in 47 the season before in a side that finished 4th.

Midtable? Bizarre.

Im sorry, you don't spend 70m on a player that is a human jigsaw in the box and justify it by running.
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Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
Too early to be bringing in Brad Young, let him go on loan. Abraham would be a great addition.

Surely he’ll want to to a club where he’ll be first choice. That’s unlikely to happen with us.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 01:09:04 PM
Under Lampard they couldn't defend but they made a quite unbelievable number of chances. We need everyone to contribute, especially if Jack goes, and Tammy ain't that.

Also that Indiana Jones baddie turned their season around with a mental unbeaten run and won the Champions League, so I'm guessing he knows what he's doing. Werner was overpriced but he contributed more than Tammy even without scoring, which I'd class as pretty fucking damning.
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Post by: OCD on June 26, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
I would like us to buy someone who’s at home playing in any of the front 3 positions and rotate in game. I think that’s how we get round having a quality back-up striker to Watkins whilst getting games too. Can Abraham’s play wide and do the defensive work? Too easy for the media to say he’s the replacement for Grealish.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 01:34:15 PM
Just seen Spurs are in talks to sign Jules Kounde from Sevilla.

We were tentatively linked to him in summer 2019. Since then he's gone to Spain and been excellent. Not quite sure if he'll scale up in premier league as he's pretty small but Spurs are terrible at the back so need some CBs.

What's interesting for me if this happens is Spurs ended last season in terrible state, have no manager and yet could still  sign a first choice player from CL club who's started playing for France now.

In last decade they've signed many first choice players from Ajax and of course signed Van Der Vaart at time we were getting in Stephen Ireland...

Wonder how many years away we are from doing that....signing first choice players from CL clubs in the best leagues? Hopefully not too long as that's the final step for me as then we would be confident of finishing top 6 and winning some stuff.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 01:36:20 PM
I think I'm with Monty on this one. Tammy is a good player, sure, but there's a touch of the Darren Bent about him. Modern strikers need to be like Ollie - they need to run and press. He just seems an unimaginative choice. Like Tuanzebe, I suspect if he hadn't already played for us, nobody would be giving him a second thought.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 01:37:33 PM
I would like us to buy someone who’s at home playing in any of the front 3 positions and rotate in game. I think that’s how we get round having a quality back-up striker to Watkins whilst getting games too. Can Abraham’s play wide and do the defensive work? Too easy for the media to say he’s the replacement for Grealish.

The young Argentine we have been linked with fits that bill.

I must have a different recollection of Tammy to some here, as I always thought he worked his nuts off in the Championship. I think Watkins could play wide if we had them both on the pitch and we wanted to change things up in a game.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 01:38:54 PM
Could well be, but harvesting as many good young players as possible sounds like a decent recipe for succes. We need 2 forwards we can rely on.

I think Ollie would score more goals playing 5 or 6 games less, which sounds counter intuitive, but his style of play is so exhausting, I think he would benefit. I don't believe in luck, so 7 times hitting the woodwork, some fatigue in there?

He might be better yes, but he’s used to doing it.  He barely missed a minute for Brentford over a 44 game season.  Pretty sure Smith has referenced this work rate and stamina as a reason for buying him too.  If it was a normal human being I’d definitely agree but it seems to be a strong part of Watkins’ game so the normal insurance policy may not be as critical.

I actually thought he hit the wall at xmas. The Chelsea and Man. United games he was late to so many 50/50s and was struggling to make much of an impact with runs so think the two week break we then had did him the world of good and he was much sharper.

If Brendan Rodgers was our manager I certianly think he'd be a major target but just don't see DS shifting too much from what he does so a struggle to see us paying that much for another striker, it wll be more development type who would start on the bench.

Unless plan is to play 4-2-2-2 at times given we seem to be looking at a few Southampton players and that's one way to get Tammy and Ollie upfront and then Buendia and Jack floating behind.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 01:40:06 PM
To go from Jack wide to Ollie with Tammy as a 9 is a big step back, and there's no dressing that up. That £40m needs to go elsewhere, and I agree with STM about that touch of the modern-day Darren Bent about him.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 01:41:27 PM
And was bombed out of the squad as soon as they started doing well. He misses 5 out of 6 good chances and his workrate is poor.

Didn't they finish 3rd under Lampard? He was first choice for them that season and also scored a couple in champions league.

Of course he has his limitations but bit harsh to say he's only mid table. I'm surprised West Ham haven't put in a bid as he'd be ideal for them particularly for their extra euro games and they don't have any striker back up beyond Antonio really.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 01:41:47 PM
Tammy is fine provided he’s not our only option, which clearly he wouldn’t be as we have Ollie. He’s better than “mid-table”.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 01:45:02 PM
Mid-table in the Premier League is really good! England squad candidate level. I just don't think that's where we want to be going, and at that money it's not worth it.
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Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2021, 01:57:00 PM
The thing with Tammy is that, for me, there's still a lot of question marks over his ability to cut in the premier league.

Last season he scored a shitload in the first half of the season but since then he's scored 10 in 42 and had 2-3 long spells without scoring. If he isn't scoring what does he bring? If we'd finished last year in 15th/16th and always looked in danger of being pulled into the relegation battle I'd absolutely be interested but we're just not shopping for that player or those requirements. At half the price I'd consider it because he knows the club and seemed to get on well with Grealish and McGinn but £40m is too much.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
I think I'm with Monty on this one. Tammy is a good player, sure, but there's a touch of the Darren Bent about him. Modern strikers need to be like Ollie - they need to run and press. He just seems an unimaginative choice. Like Tuanzebe, I suspect if he hadn't already played for us, nobody would be giving him a second thought.

I agree with this.
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Post by: john e on June 26, 2021, 02:11:40 PM
Well Chelsea obviously don’t think he can cut the mustard at the top end of the Premier League
 that’s why they’re trying to get rid of him
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 02:15:46 PM
Chelsea will probably seriously be challenging for the league next season given their general form under Tuchel so we're a bit off that sort of target currently.

Tammy in similar situation to what Ings was 2-3 years back, never going to break into that sort so will have to take a step down the league.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 26, 2021, 02:25:07 PM
Just out of interest, what was Ollie doing at 19, 20, 21,22 years of age and how does it compare with what Tammy was doing?
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Post by: andyh on June 26, 2021, 02:26:39 PM
If we were allowed to sign only one more player, and no more, I would want JWP above anyone we have been linked with.
I really, really hope we are in for him.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 26, 2021, 02:28:40 PM
I'd rather have Tammy as an option over Wesley and Davis....
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Post by: john e on June 26, 2021, 02:29:11 PM
JWP would be great playing with Grealish

Anybody else think that if Grealish goes (not saying he is, I don’t know)
but just if, there is no point in signing JWP it would be the equivalent of putting a big striker upfront and taking your winger off
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Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2021, 02:52:39 PM
The centre of our midfield definitely needs some improvement. From a defensive and attacking perspective. People mentioning Andy Townsend earlier on, how we could do with a player like that right now.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
Just out of interest, what was Ollie doing at 19, 20, 21,22 years of age and how does it compare with what Tammy was doing?

Indeed. Playing for Exeter while Tammy at a younger age was smashing in 20 for Bristol City.

Chelsea want Haarland and they're raising funds for that, but with Tammy being top scorer in a top 4 side 2 years running , I am really scratching my head for how that is midtable or somehow not something we need in our squad. What if Ollie does his hamstring against Newcastle? Good news, we have a goal scorer in the squad to step in.

Looking at the stats;

Werner 12 goals in all competitions at 319 minutes per goal.

Tammy 12 goals in all competitions at 128 minutes per goal.

If Tammy is midtable, Werner must be village.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 03:14:10 PM
And was bombed out of the squad as soon as they started doing well. He misses 5 out of 6 good chances and his workrate is poor.

They kept Werner who is absolutely shit because they spent a fortune on him. Tammy wouldn’t have missed the guilt edged chances Werner missed. He’s absolutely good enough for a side aspiring to be in the top 4.
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Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2021, 03:19:31 PM
Not sure I agree but "Tammy has 9 goals a season for Palace written all over him" made me chuckle. Cracking observation. The next Benteke/Ayew/Batshuayi etc. It kinda looks a good shout...
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Post by: Jimsta on June 26, 2021, 03:36:12 PM
To me Tammy is mid table, There is not many clubs in the top half be wanting Tammy. Ollie is better player so why stick him on the wing for Tammy just going backwards. Let's move on from Tammy and look for the next big thing.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 03:36:31 PM
If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them
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Post by: john e on June 26, 2021, 03:41:53 PM
If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them

Goals of the bench 
Grow into the side 

he’ll cost 40 million quid
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 03:54:31 PM
If tammy can give us 10 goals of the bench as opposed to Davis's 1 a season then I'm all for it. He could also grow into the first team and we could use a fluid front 3 all interchanging with each other as tevez, roony & ronny used too.

Tammy, smith row, center mid and young defender and that would have been a fantastic window beyond my wildest dreams. Especially with what we have already signed and if we keep Jack and John.

Also let's not forget Luke chadwick Darren fletcher, Phil bardsley, djemba djemba, Anderson etc were all essentially shit yet all won titles and trophies and tammy is better than the lot of them

Goals of the bench 
Grow into the side 

he’ll cost 40 million quid

40 million is the new 10 million and we need to realise that now. We actually have money to spend. City spend 70 million for bench players. Ferrari torres cost a bomb as well and doesn't start. It's unfortunately the way the game has gone. Joelinton cost Newcastle North of 30-35 didn't he? Wouldn't make our youth team.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 03:59:39 PM
OK 9 goals is harsh, but you can imagine him having a season where he totals that in a middling team before you imagine him as a proper elite striker in my view. And as for him forming part of some sort of fluid anything, my memory is of a first touch that makes Ollie's look like Baggio, dribbling for which the kind word might be 'laboured', and basically no interest in passing in the manner of an actual wing-forward.

He's a perfectly good penalty box striker in another system. When Everton sell Calvert-Lewin to go sit on Man Utd's bench, he'll find a lovely niche there (I think he'll probably end up having a better career than Calvert-Lewin). Palace if he's less lucky. But not a dynamic, front-foot, press you to death Villa side looking to get into the top four, and certainly not for £40m - the same price, lest we forget, as Emi Buendia.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 04:01:03 PM
Based on transfer fees, Man City's bench in their last game cost about £300 million. If we are going to get to their level we will have to have hugely expensive players not even guaranteed a starting place. Why not start now? Abraham has an excellent scoring record for Chelsea since returning from his loan spell, and had a brilliant goal rate for us, too. The idea that he doesn't is just bizarre revisionism.
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Post by: Skerra on June 26, 2021, 04:02:34 PM
Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 04:06:13 PM
Based on transfer fees, Man City's bench in their last game cost about £300 million. If we are going to get to their level we will have to have hugely expensive players not even guaranteed a starting place. Why not start now? Abraham has an excellent scoring record for Chelsea since returning from his loan spell, and had a brilliant goal rate for us, too. The idea that he doesn't is just bizarre revisionism.

Yes agreed. To be a top 4 side we cannot just think of the starting XI. We need to have players on the bench that could start at any time because the drop off in quality isn’t as steep as we have now. Ronaldo was on the bench for Man U under Ferguson despite his incredible record. And if we aspire to be back in European competition then we need to have a deep bench to deal with the extra games. Wesley and Davis it Ollie is hurt is a terrible proposition. We got really lucky last year with Ollie playing all but one league game. That’s tempting fate to just go with that next season.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 04:11:08 PM
Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
If we already had a top six starting eleven, the key component of which didn't look like leaving, I would understand £40m on an off-the-bench poacher type, even if he wasn't a starter in the minds of most. The fact is we have a lot of work to do on the team this summer even if Jack stays, and while we're officially Fackin' Minted M8, we still don't have infinite money and I just think there are better solutions and other priorities.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on June 26, 2021, 04:20:31 PM
Sitting on Chelsea's bench with no chance of being a starter is different to being the rotation striker at Villa.
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Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.

This is the key for me, we're not paying £40m for him to sit on the bench so if he comes in we move Ollie to the wing to make space and, for me, that's a fucking shit decision. Comparing the value of our bench to that of a club that has been a champions league regular for the last decade just to justify wanting to sign abraham is weird, as I've said before the comparison has to be to Leicester right now, they're us with a few years of experience.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 04:29:10 PM
Problem is, why would Tammy want to exchange one bench for another. That doesn’t make sense plus, he is already a good enough player to start matches.

I'll confess, this puzzling me, too.

This is the key for me, we're not paying £40m for him to sit on the bench so if he comes in we move Ollie to the wing to make space and, for me, that's a fucking shit decision. Comparing the value of our bench to that of a club that has been a champions league regular for the last decade just to justify wanting to sign abraham is weird, as I've said before the comparison has to be to Leicester right now, they're us with a few years of experience.

I dont think for 1 second we will pay 40 mil for him. More like 30 plus bonuses. But I do think he would be a great addition to an already strong dressing room
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
If we already had a top six starting eleven, the key component of which didn't look like leaving, I would understand £40m on an off-the-bench poacher type, even if he wasn't a starter in the minds of most. The fact is we have a lot of work to do on the team this summer even if Jack stays, and while we're officially Fackin' Minted M8, we still don't have infinite money and I just think there are better solutions and other priorities.

We do have a top six starting eleven. We were near Champions League standard with Grealish. He is one of two players that were irreplaceable, the other being Watkins. We have taken steps to ensure we aren't so fucked over again if Grealish gets injured next year, but we would still be totally buggered if something happened to Watkins. We need a top class striker to cover for/compete with him, Abraham fits the bill. We also need to take more points from losing positions, and more attacking options on the bench will make that more likely. A goal every 128 minutes is, let's be honest, a lot better than Wesley or Davis are ever going to manage.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 04:33:53 PM
I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.
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Post by: frank black on June 26, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
£40 million is just senti-Mental…

I like Tammy, but he scores one in 3/4 chances and I can’t see him being entirely happy on the bench.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack never leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

Edited I missed the word never out oops
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 04:45:13 PM
I think it's unlikely, but no point in stressing about it and pouring scorn on any potential signings we may make as a result. Come on mate, you're normally a fairly level-headed sort, don't go onto the hysterical wing of our fandom with the Goldies of this world.

Three years ago we were worried that we might have to support FC Villa of Aston in the Midland Combination. Now we are the biggest spending club on Earth and being linked with megastars from Arsenal to Argentina. Whatever happens with Grealish, and there is no reason to assume he's off at the moment, it's still a good time to be alive. Live a little.
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Post by: frank black on June 26, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

He may be the best player we’ve ever had…time will tell
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Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2021, 04:46:05 PM
I disagree with you on that Monty, I don't think anyone knows what he's going to do (including Jack) and I think that plays to our advantage because I'd be surprised if he kicked up a stink if we told him to wait for another year and decide after the world cup.

For me, as i've said many times now, there's a clear gap in midfield where we need to bring in someone who can get their hands dirty and not let teams bully us, Locatelli was my favourite option before the tournament started and he's shown exactly how good he is and I really like the look of Pape Sarr who was linked a couple of weeks back. Once that position is filled I'm happy for us to look at a forward but I'd still prefer someone a bit more versatile.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 04:48:55 PM
The fact that the Athletic say we want £100m and Percy says City will offer £100m. That and us finishing 11th and them finishing 1st, his admiration for De Bruyne, his comments while away with England ('we don't have good set piece takers at Villa', 'I'm 25 I'm not young anymore', don't have to be a genius to see what's on his mind), and just general logic and probability. I think he's going.

As for pouring scorn, my attitude to Tammy is similar to if we decided to spend £30m on Dean Henderson. I don't doubt he's pretty good, I just wouldn't see the point priority-wise.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
I think the denial that Jack is likely to leave is also colouring a lot of the views on Tammy. For me, I think he's out the door.

What makes you think he's off though? The fact talk sports said the deal had been done or am I missing something? Without jack I think we would change formation anyway and go more 41212 or 4222. I hope jack leaves but he wouldn't be the first or the last superstar level player we have had and lost.

He may be the best player we’ve ever had…time will tell

I think he probably is the best player we've ever had or at least developed ourselves but a glance at the work the academy are doing and the things my mate tells me they are working on and trying to grow excite me. Churning out a grealish every 90 years is a thing of the past and the highly aggressive recruitment strategy for the youth teams should pay dividend in a few years time when Chucky is off to Juventus for 120 million and Louis Barry is a balondor contender and classed as the English Messi haha
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
Because we only have one top class striker and we virtually never come back to win games when the opposition take the lead. All the best clubs have at least two decent strikers. I think with those comments you're putting two and two together and making twenty-seven to be honest.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:05:20 PM
And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.

Yup.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
The idea that saying he likes Totti means he's staying is no more ridiculous than saying he's leaving because he likes De Bruyne.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 26, 2021, 05:06:30 PM
And yet evidence for him staying is a throwaway comment as he struggles to think of things to say about Francesco Totti when some slightly embarrassing Gazzetta journo puts him on the spot? Anyway it's hardly the core of the case for him going.

As for two top class strikers, I'd rather spend £40m on a less limited player. That's all.

I do agree with your early comment about a striker not being a priority. But I dont think it's an either or scenario. I think a striker, mid & center back will arrive and I think 2 of them will be this coming week.

Young can cover both flanks and we have kesler, hause & konsa who can also play rb, lb & rb respectively.
Wingers we have to many and unless we are going to sell el ghazi(unlikely whilst trez is out) Barry will get games this coming season.
Strikers, we have ollie, the young Emily hesky who may or may not turn out to be handy after a loan and big wes who may or may not be finished after his injury. We just can't chance it. We need someone in. Alverez would be fantastic but my worry is what did he say or do that he got us using a company to background check him (allegedly)

We are in a very rare position for us where even if Jack goes I think we can finish top 10. 3 years ago without jack we were barrelling towards league 1
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
And we spent thirty odd million on a striker from the Championship. Forty million for a player who scored more goals at that level and has averaged a goal every 128 minutes in the Premier League seems far from unreasonable. Especially as, you know, we are rich. We've broken our transfer record for a striker two summers running, we still signed lots of other players. Signing Abraham wouldn't mean we couldn't invest in other areas... as we already have done.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 05:14:50 PM
And we spent thirty odd million on a striker from the Championship. Forty million for a player who scored more goals at that level and has averaged a goal every 128 minutes in the Premier League seems far from unreasonable. Especially as, you know, we are rich. We've broken our transfer record for a striker two summers running, we still signed lots of other players. Signing Abraham wouldn't mean we couldn't invest in other areas... as we already have done.

Yup and I don’t think it means shoving Ollie out wide, unless it’s say when it’s the last 10 mins of a game that we’re chasing. I think it’s about building a strong squad.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
Yeah. We already have a top six first team. We need a top six squad.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:18:07 PM
Well, it depends on a) your assessment of Tammy, and b) your assessment of our squad and how much we have to spend on it. I don't see the value in Tammy unless you plan to start him as your first-choice 9 and play a style that suits him, neither of which we'd be doing. I'd prefer another striker who really can also play wide, a Mane type, who could sit on the bench, swap in for Ollie or play wide with Ollie. For me that's the hole in the squad, and without nostalgia I don't think many on here would be suggesting Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:19:55 PM
I'd rather a striker who can play wide as well, so we can rotate a bit.

Anyway, I don't know how much we have to spend, but if we're going to blow 40 or even 50 million on one player, right now I'd rather it were a top class central midfielder, because we don't dominate opponents enough in that area.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
We've been linked with Ward Prowse so clearly the board think we can strengthen there, too. It doesn't need to be either/or.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:23:18 PM
That's true.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
Well, it depends on a) your assessment of Tammy, and b) your assessment of our squad and how much we have to spend on it. I don't see the value in Tammy unless you plan to start him as your first-choice 9 and play a style that suits him, neither of which we'd be doing. I'd prefer another striker who really can also play wide, a Mane type, who could sit on the bench, swap in for Ollie or play wide with Ollie. For me that's the hole in the squad, and without nostalgia I don't think many on here would be suggesting Tammy.

No nostalgia from me. I've consistently said the clamour to re-sign Tuanzebe is ludicrous. I think you can always find a space in your squad for a player that scores shitloads of goals, like Tammy does.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:26:31 PM
Well, in my opinion he misses absolutely tons of chances and doesn't really contribute anything else. This is where we differ.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 05:27:24 PM
Scores a lot of goals though.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:29:11 PM
The thing is, surely if we want to be challenging for the top four, we shouldn't be looking at players deemed not good enough by the teams currently in the top four. You can slag off Werner's finishing, for example, but he played in - and won - the Champions League final, whereas Tammy wasn't even on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:30:23 PM
Well, in my opinion he misses absolutely tons of chances and doesn't really contribute anything else. This is where we differ.

He scores shitloads of goals. That isn't opinion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:31:48 PM
Timo Werner who scored 78 in 127 games for RB Leipzig. Yes he had an increasingly comedic mare with Chelsea last season, but he's thoroughly done it at top division level.

Tammy was streaky, then the goals dried up, and he doesn't do anything else. Come on CD, don't do the 'my opinion is correct' stuff, I can see the goal record but I think there are a bunch of mitigations and I'm just not all that convinced all round.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:32:15 PM
The thing is, surely if we want to be challenging for the top four, we shouldn't be looking at players deemed not good enough by the teams currently in the top four. You can slag off Werner's finishing, for example, but he played in - and won - the Champions League final, whereas Tammy wasn't even on the bench.

On that basis Liverpool shouldn't have signed Salah, Man City shouldn't have signed De Bruyne. If one manager doesn't like a particular player it doesnt mean ever other club should write him off.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Timo Werner who scored 78 in 127 games for RB Leipzig. Yes he had an increasingly comedic mare with Chelsea last season, but he's thoroughly done it at top division level.

Tammy was streaky, then the goals dried up, and he doesn't do anything else. Come on CD, don't do the 'my opinion is correct' stuff, I can see the goal record but I think there are a bunch of mitigations and I'm just not all that convinced all round.

A goal record isn't a matter of opinion, is it?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 26, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Timo Werner who scored 78 in 127 games for RB Leipzig. Yes he had an increasingly comedic mare with Chelsea last season, but he's thoroughly done it at top division level.

Tammy was streaky, then the goals dried up, and he doesn't do anything else. Come on CD, don't do the 'my opinion is correct' stuff, I can see the goal record but I think there are a bunch of mitigations and I'm just not all that convinced all round.

A goal record isn't a matter of opinion, is it?

How you interpret it is. Darren Bent for instance, scored a bunch but whenever he played a full season his team would overall score fewer. You can't just take the name of the player next to the 'goal' figure and graft it onto another team by signing him. Football is alchemy, it's difficult to predict, and the evidence of my eyes tells me that Tammy scores some, misses more, and does nothing else.

I note as well that Werner cost £48m, not the £70m+ mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:36:26 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on June 26, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
Has nobody mentioned the possibility of Signing Abraham might be due to having to change formation and style of play to a two striker system, working on the basis of Grealish leaving perhaps? Why must it be 1 striker all the time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:40:33 PM
A 'front 6', with a flat four of McGinn, Luiz, Ward-Prowse and Buendia behind Tammy and Ollie finishes tenth, max. That's a crap system for all of these players, would inevitably end up defending and countering with long balls, forces square pegs into round holes and controls precisely 0 games.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:40:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be upset if we signed Tammy, he's a good player, but it's not a signing that would excite me. He probably wouldn't even be a regular starter in our system. 40 million on a back up striker is not where we are currently. If it is, we should be looking to sign Kane.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 05:40:41 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.

He’s not saying that is he? He’s saying that’s the last time we had two good strikers at the club.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:41:01 PM
Timo Werner who scored 78 in 127 games for RB Leipzig. Yes he had an increasingly comedic mare with Chelsea last season, but he's thoroughly done it at top division level.

Tammy was streaky, then the goals dried up, and he doesn't do anything else. Come on CD, don't do the 'my opinion is correct' stuff, I can see the goal record but I think there are a bunch of mitigations and I'm just not all that convinced all round.

A goal record isn't a matter of opinion, is it?

How you interpret it is. Darren Bent for instance, scored a bunch but whenever he played a full season his team would overall score fewer. You can't just take the name of the player next to the 'goal' figure and graft it onto another team by signing him. Football is alchemy, it's difficult to predict, and the evidence of my eyes tells me that Tammy scores some, misses more, and does nothing else.

I note as well that Werner cost £48m, not the £70m+ mentioned earlier.

Just getting a bit desperate now, he scores lots of goals, that's undeniable. Every striker misses some chances, they are judged first and foremost on their goal record and Abraham's is fantastic.

You seem to just be in a strop because you've decided Grealish is off, despite there being no evidence of that as yet. Maybe trust our owners as they haven't let us down yet?

Not sure why you keep bringing Werner up, I haven't mentioned him and have no opinion on his abilities.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 05:42:20 PM
He’s an England international who lost his place at Chelsea because they spent massively on two average German players. He’s also only 23 years old. You’d think he was 29 and on the way out by some of the comments about him. It’s amazing to think we were moments from bankruptcy three or so years ago and now having finished 11th, not 4th or 5th we can turn our nose up at a forward who has proven himself at this level. Ollie and Tammy can play as a lone striker or together in the right formation. Give him good service and he will score goals.
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Post by: Axl Rose on June 26, 2021, 05:43:51 PM
Would love Tammy back. Sorry Monty!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 05:44:35 PM
I actually think Werner is a really good player, but Tammy is a different type of player. Tuchel wants to play a particular way and so Werner suits his system. It doesn’t mean Tammy isn’t bloody good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 05:45:14 PM
Timo Werner who scored 78 in 127 games for RB Leipzig. Yes he had an increasingly comedic mare with Chelsea last season, but he's thoroughly done it at top division level.

Tammy was streaky, then the goals dried up, and he doesn't do anything else. Come on CD, don't do the 'my opinion is correct' stuff, I can see the goal record but I think there are a bunch of mitigations and I'm just not all that convinced all round.

A goal record isn't a matter of opinion, is it?

How you interpret it is. Darren Bent for instance, scored a bunch but whenever he played a full season his team would overall score fewer. You can't just take the name of the player next to the 'goal' figure and graft it onto another team by signing him. Football is alchemy, it's difficult to predict, and the evidence of my eyes tells me that Tammy scores some, misses more, and does nothing else.

I note as well that Werner cost £48m, not the £70m+ mentioned earlier.

Just getting a bit desperate now, he scores lots of goals, that's undeniable. Every striker misses some chances, they are judged first and foremost on their goal record and Abraham's is fantastic.

You seem to just be in a strop because you've decided Grealish is off, despite there being no evidence of that as yet. Maybe trust our owners as they haven't let us down yet?

Not sure why you keep bringing Werner up, I haven't mentioned him and have no opinion on his abilities.

And even if he goes, which we all agree would be massively shit the club isn’t going to shut down. We have a really good, young squad, a brilliant academy and we will reinvest the money on top of what we would already spent. It will be a kick in the bollocks but we’ll be fine. West Ham had a superb season and they don’t have any player remotely close to Jack. We need also to improve and compete at the top end without him. And if Dean Smith cannot do that we will hire someone who we hope can.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
A 'front 6', with a flat four of McGinn, Luiz, Ward-Prowse and Buendia behind Tammy and Ollie finishes tenth, max. That's a crap system for all of these players, would inevitably end up defending and countering with long balls, forces square pegs into round holes and controls precisely 0 games.

Exactly. The key to football these days is control, which means possession and intelligent movement. Tuchel knows this, it's why he values Werner so highly. It's no longer your centre forward who gets all the goals. Look how many El Ghazi got, despite being frankly quite a mediocre player.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
'Strop', good grief, I just think the goal record of a certain player is a touch illusory for certain reasons, I don't think he represents value for money, and I don't think he's the best option out there to go into our system. And it really doesn't matter at all mate - it's just another opinion, and learning to accept that other people have them is just, sort of, normal? Good luck to yous who like you some Tammy, if he comes in I hope you're right.

The Werner thing was in response to other comments a page or so back.
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 26, 2021, 05:46:48 PM
Tammy vs Werner side thread?  I've just been through 5 pages of circular argument... yawn. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 05:49:09 PM
Based on transfer fees, Man City's bench in their last game cost about £300 million. If we are going to get to their level we will have to have hugely expensive players not even guaranteed a starting place. Why not start now? Abraham has an excellent scoring record for Chelsea since returning from his loan spell, and had a brilliant goal rate for us, too. The idea that he doesn't is just bizarre revisionism.

We're getting there....Traore, El Ghazi, Sanson and Luiz all likely bench players next season....60m odd there.

I think Chelsea will let Tammy go for around 30m so don't think that's overprice at all...indeed for all the experience he has and age it's a pretty good deal in the modern game.

I mean we signed Wes for 20 odd million and he was limited to Belgian and Polish leagues and seems we stuck an extra 5m on the fee just to make sure he got a work permit.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 05:49:47 PM
'Strop', good grief, I just think the goal record of a certain player is a touch illusory for certain reasons, I don't think he represents value for money, and I don't think he's the best option out there to go into our system. And it really doesn't matter at all mate - it's just another opinion, and learning to accept that other people have them is just, sort of, normal? Good luck to yous who like you some Tammy, if he comes in I hope you're right.

The Werner thing was in response to other comments a page or so back.

But what system is that exactly? The system with Jack we look superb. Without him we are dreadful. We need to have players for different systems because even if Jack stays he will likely miss games. We cannot become a relegation team when he isn’t playing and need to have players and system that can adapt based on the circumstances.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
I also think it’s dangerous to assume that top 4 clubs are always right in their assessment around whether a player is good enough. Look at examples where they’ve got it wrong - De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku, Pique etc.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:54:05 PM
'Strop', good grief, I just think the goal record of a certain player is a touch illusory for certain reasons, I don't think he represents value for money, and I don't think he's the best option out there to go into our system. And it really doesn't matter at all mate - it's just another opinion, and learning to accept that other people have them is just, sort of, normal? Good luck to yous who like you some Tammy, if he comes in I hope you're right.

The Werner thing was in response to other comments a page or so back.

We already managed to get a system that got the best out of McGinn, Grealish and Abraham when we had far inferior players around him. No reason why we couldn't do so with some of the talent we are acquiring. You said yourself attitudes may have been coloured by the "news" about Grealish so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume you might be in a bad mood having written off our chances of keeping him.

You're always on about having tactical flexibility (even extending to your disgraceful support of five at the back) so having the option to have two high scoring centre-forwards on the pitch at the same time when we need a goal is surely a good thing?

Fair enough re: Werner.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 26, 2021, 05:55:26 PM
I think of Werner as an upmarket Scott Hogan
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 05:57:24 PM
I like some of the cartoons he makes with his siblings.
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Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 05:58:29 PM
I meant that people were making plans with Jack staying in mind, not that they were too emotionally cheerful. In fact, in my view the absence of Jack would make Tammy an even more perplexing signing, as we would need dynamic, creative contributions from everywhere to replace Jack, and it sort of wouldn't make sense to invest that much in a perfectly decent but certainly limited penalty-box no. 9.

It could work if we were in the Championship, or if we played three at the back and had two centre-forwards for that reason (FIGHT ME), but there's no other front-foot system in which Tammy could play in a 2. He's not mobile or creative enough for a midfield diamond where the forwards have to do a lot of work wide, and a flat 4-4-2 is a defensive system. My thing about tactical flexibility is the main reason I'm not so keen on Tammy, if I'm honest.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
I've mentioned him before but Jared Bowen would probably be ideal for us currently.

Mid 20s, already relative proven in premier league and plays on left and can fill in upfront when required.

If West Ham are stuggling to afford likes of Abraham and Lingard possible they could cash in on him to get someone who can play upfront as they have decent number of wide forwards so might be worth testing them with a bid.

Not sort of signing that's going to shift another 1k season tickets but probably for where we are the sort who can get us another 2-3 places in the league given West Ham have risen about 10 places up the table since he signed.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 06:07:54 PM
Jared Bowen would cost north of £40m for sure. Why would West Ham, who are in the Europa sell to us? He’s a starting winger for them. And he’s done really well. Shame we couldn’t have got him instead.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on June 26, 2021, 06:07:59 PM
Christ alive. Dont go for that neco William's. He is awful.
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Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2021, 06:28:55 PM
Jared's a Villan but he's chosen his claret and blue, and they're happy with him there anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 26, 2021, 06:42:41 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.

Im a bit confused, where did i say that we would play 4-4-2? And also what evidence do you have that smith would play hoofball?he never plays this way unless he chasing a goal late on.

Also lets say watkins geta3 injured who do we have davis with a mighty one premier league goal, ans a long teem injured wesley.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 26, 2021, 06:44:02 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.

He’s not saying that is he? He’s saying that’s the last time we had two good strikers at the club.

👏👏👏
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 26, 2021, 06:47:03 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.

Im a bit confused, where did i say that we would play 4-4-2? And also what evidence do you have that smith would play hoofball?he never plays this way unless he chasing a goal late on.

Also lets say watkins geta3 injured who do we have davis with a mighty one premier league goal, ans a long teem injured wesley.

Sorry Demitri, I was being very harsh, and the injury point is the best one in favour of signing a Tammy.

My problem with the Gabby-Carew analogy was twofold: 1) that that was a time when we played football that was needlessly behind the times; and 2) (relatedly) that you can't really play two all-out number 9s in the same system without ceding control of the midfield, going defensive and going direct. Which can work in certain circumstances, but just isn't where I think we're headed (and as you say Smith doesn't do that in any case).
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 26, 2021, 07:15:37 PM
Ill be doing cartwheels of we sign tammy.

When was the last time we had two quality strikers at the club? Its been years

Gabby carew days?

You want to play a big-man-fast-man 4-4-2 with long balls? I mean, I kinda want to finish above 15th.

Im a bit confused, where did i say that we would play 4-4-2? And also what evidence do you have that smith would play hoofball?he never plays this way unless he chasing a goal late on.

Also lets say watkins geta3 injured who do we have davis with a mighty one premier league goal, ans a long teem injured wesley.

Sorry Demitri, I was being very harsh, and the injury point is the best one in favour of signing a Tammy.

My problem with the Gabby-Carew analogy was twofold: 1) that that was a time when we played football that was needlessly behind the times; and 2) (relatedly) that you can't really play two all-out number 9s in the same system without ceding control of the midfield, going defensive and going direct. Which can work in certain circumstances, but just isn't where I think we're headed (and as you say Smith doesn't do that in any case).

No worries monty mate 👍

Yeah the games changed now you cant really play two up top unless yoir chasing a goal last 10 minutes. But i do think ollie could play on a shoulder on the left

Ollie left

Jack in the hole

Buendia on the right

Tammy up top

Mcginn/ luiz holding

Thats a frightening attack
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 26, 2021, 07:26:19 PM

Ollie left

Jack in the hole

Buendia on the right

Tammy up top

Mcginn/ luiz holding

Thats a frightening attack

Or it's Dean Smith sacked when/if it doesn't come off. By my count that's 4 out of 6 players playing out of position.
I'm with Monty on this one, Tammy is too limited and doesn't do enough. Last summer I thought Tammy and Ollie were very similar players, both pretty lethal in the 6 yard box. I was half right. Ollie brings far more to the party.
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Post by: Ads on June 26, 2021, 07:27:24 PM
I would prefer the 21 year old Argentine Gary Shaw mind.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
Watkins is brilliant, but playing him virtually every minute of every match we would burn him out eventually.
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Post by: Tayls_7 on June 26, 2021, 07:29:07 PM

Ollie left

Jack in the hole

Buendia on the right

Tammy up top

Mcginn/ luiz holding

Thats a frightening attack

Or it's Dean Smith sacked when/if it doesn't come off. By my count that's 4 out of 6 players playing out of position.
I'm with Monty on this one, Tammy is too limited and doesn't do enough. Last summer I thought Tammy and Ollie were very similar players, both pretty lethal in the 6 yard box. I was half right. Ollie brings far more to the party.

Someone has said 'in the hole' and there's no sign of Mick McCarthy.  This site is going to the dogs.
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Post by: Mister E on June 26, 2021, 07:30:24 PM
He’s an England international who lost his place at Chelsea because they spent massively on two average German players. He’s also only 23 years old. You’d think he was 29 and on the way out by some of the comments about him. It’s amazing to think we were moments from bankruptcy three or so years ago and now having finished 11th, not 4th or 5th we can turn our nose up at a forward who has proven himself at this level. Ollie and Tammy can play as a lone striker or together in the right formation. Give him good service and he will score goals.
Yup. Good summary.
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Post by: OCD on June 26, 2021, 07:30:54 PM
About 5 pages added since I looked a couple of hours ago. Damn, I thought there was news of something happening.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 26, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
Watkins is brilliant, but playing him virtually every minute of every match we would burn him out eventually.

Indeed. We need cover of that there is no doubt.
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Post by: algy on June 26, 2021, 08:08:59 PM
I would prefer the 21 year old Argentine Gary Shaw mind.
Yeah, I agree. We've gone to great lengths to get a good recruitment team together - I'm not sure we'd be making good use of them if we just sign players who've played well against us and/or ones we had on loan 3 years ago.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 26, 2021, 08:16:52 PM

Ollie left

Jack in the hole

Buendia on the right

Tammy up top

Mcginn/ luiz holding

Thats a frightening attack

Or it's Dean Smith sacked when/if it doesn't come off. By my count that's 4 out of 6 players playing out of position.
I'm with Monty on this one, Tammy is too limited and doesn't do enough. Last summer I thought Tammy and Ollie were very similar players, both pretty lethal in the 6 yard box. I was half right. Ollie brings far more to the party.

Someone has said 'in the hole' and there's no sign of Mick McCarthy.  This site is going to the dogs.

i thought that 😞
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Post by: jwarry on June 26, 2021, 08:18:02 PM
All you need to do is think Jesus and Aguero, I doubt at any time City fans were thinking how can we fit them in to the team together. We are either going to be a big club or we are not
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Post by: Rigadon on June 26, 2021, 08:25:22 PM
All you need to do is think Jesus and Aguero, I doubt at any time City fans were thinking how can we fit them in to the team together. We are either going to be a big club or we are not

100%   It's that simple actually.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 26, 2021, 08:34:05 PM
People appear to be so wound up. There’s no point. If he goes, then so be it. We just get on with it.

Worrying and getting our knickers in a twist isn’t going to keep him here.
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Post by: Jimsta on June 26, 2021, 08:44:22 PM
All you need to do is think Jesus and Aguero, I doubt at any time City fans were thinking how can we fit them in to the team together. We are either going to be a big club or we are not

100%   It's that simple actually.
Not understand comparing Villa to Man City, The Villa cannot bring in that quality like Man City and give them a handful of games in squad rotation to keep them Happy, Man City can as they play more games than the Villa by being in Europe and getting far in the domestic cup games, Not Yet for the Villa but hopefully we be there soon.
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Post by: LukeJames on June 26, 2021, 08:46:08 PM
Jesus is wank. So much so that they've chose to play without a proper striker for 18 months.
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Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2021, 08:52:37 PM
All you need to do is think Jesus and Aguero, I doubt at any time City fans were thinking how can we fit them in to the team together. We are either going to be a big club or we are not

The issue there is Jesus is shite, was playing on the wing as often as up front (for the first year or so after he arrived) and was signed as a 20 year old backup player. None of that fits Abraham. Look at the potential teams people post to fit Abraham in and most of them involve moving the best pressing forward in the league out to play on the wing. I can't get onside with that, Watkins has been superb and we should be signing players to compliment him not effectively replace him.

That said the 2 sides of the Tammy argument will never agree so this discussion isn't going to go anywhere other than round in circles.
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Post by: Dave on June 26, 2021, 09:06:28 PM
If you were Abraham, surely you'd have eyes on being Kane's replacement at Spurs and playing nearly every game or if that doesn't pay off, going to West Ham and playing nearly every game.

I'm sure he had a lovely time with us, I just don't see why he'd choose to come here when the other options he'd probably have would (a) probably pay him more (b) see him play more (c) see him get to stay where he lives

I'd have no problem if we signed him, I just don't think either of us is exactly what the other needs at the moment.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 26, 2021, 09:14:11 PM
If you were Abraham, surely you'd have eyes on being Kane's replacement at Spurs and playing nearly every game or if that doesn't pay off, going to West Ham and playing nearly every game.

That's a very good point, makes more sense than joining us atm.
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Post by: OCD on June 26, 2021, 09:15:12 PM
I was in the camp that wanted Abraham signed but it's just not the right fit. I don't know enough about this Argentinian we've been linked with but the description that he's a cross between an attacking wide player and a centre forward fits the bill for what we need.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2021, 09:17:48 PM
I want both. And Ward Prowse, Smith Rowe and De Arrascaeta. Not Ramsey, though.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2021, 09:18:53 PM
If you were Abraham, surely you'd have eyes on being Kane's replacement at Spurs and playing nearly every game or if that doesn't pay off, going to West Ham and playing nearly every game.

That's a very good point, makes more sense than joining us atm.

Of the two West Ham. In Europe, good balanced team with lots of good players. He’d have to compete with Antonio and Yarmalenko, and you assume Benrahma will be better. He stays in London too. Spurs look a bit of a mess right now.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2021, 10:09:07 PM
For the cost of £40 million we should be bringing in an upgrade at centre forward. Is Abraham an upgrade on Ollie Watkins, absolutely not. So save your money.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2021, 10:11:17 PM
For the cost of £40 million we should be bringing in an upgrade at centre forward. Is Abraham an upgrade on Ollie Watkins, absolutely not. So save your money.

I’m not sure that’s true though. Is Ollie worth more than £40m in this market? I’d say absolutely. So £40m isn’t going to be an upgrade on him.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2021, 10:18:17 PM
Possibly Paul, but is Abraham really worth breaking our record for? Super Sub? No way better than Ollie.  Surely better value elsewhere?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Jared Bowen would cost north of £40m for sure. Why would West Ham, who are in the Europa sell to us? He’s a starting winger for them. And he’s done really well. Shame we couldn’t have got him instead.

I thought he was more of a sub for them after Lingard signed?

Just checked and for last few games they went with Antonio CF (and he can play wide), Benrahma, Lingard and Fornals as the three behind.

Of course it dosen't seem logical they'd sell being in europe but I meant they could trade him for 20 odd million and use that to sign Abraham and move Antonio back out wide.

And his old man is a Villa fan.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
All you need to do is think Jesus and Aguero, I doubt at any time City fans were thinking how can we fit them in to the team together. We are either going to be a big club or we are not

Really interesting what Leicester are doing.

Vardy declining but still a regular in their team, Ihencacho finally turning up for them second half of the season and now adding Patson Daka to the mix who's highly rated and scored a bit for Salzburg.

Rodgers tweaked things from always playing 4-2-3-1 to 3-4-1-2 for most of second half of the season.

For certain games we could play it ourselves although wouldn't be able to get Buendia in the team so probably a non starter.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on June 26, 2021, 11:37:32 PM
Some Villa fans these days are very, very strange. Imagine whining and bitching about adding more firepower options to the football team you watch religiously. It's like they don't grasp the fact that the more goals you score the better you do.

I remember when we had Angel, Dublin, Joachim, Vassell, Walker and that still wasn't enough for us so we brought in the superb Luc Nilis as well.

To be honest. I'm absolutely fuming we are not the ones getting Patson Daka for basically peanuts, and on top of that everywhere I seem to read I see lots of our supporters spouting utter bollocks about us not even needing another striker.

Last summers transfer thread.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vB9qy0rc/annoying-af.jpg)

I fully expect some of the players I mentioned at the start of this years summer transfer thread to be signed by our league rivals next summer, or sooner.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 26, 2021, 11:38:26 PM
Patson Daka is exactly the sort of player we should be going for. Wouldn’t expect to start every game and absolutely has the potential to become very very good
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Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2021, 08:36:20 AM
Some Villa fans these days are very, very strange. Imagine whining and bitching about adding more firepower options to the football team you watch religiously. It's like they don't grasp the fact that the more goals you score the better you do.

I remember when we had Angel, Dublin, Joachim, Vassell, Walker and that still wasn't enough for us so we brought in the superb Luc Nilis as well.

To be honest. I'm absolutely fuming we are not the ones getting Patson Daka for basically peanuts, and on top of that everywhere I seem to read I see lots of our supporters spouting utter bollocks about us not even needing another striker.

Last summers transfer thread.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vB9qy0rc/annoying-af.jpg)

I fully expect some of the players I mentioned at the start of this years summer transfer thread to be signed by our league rivals next summer, or sooner.

Aren't you actually fuming about everything?
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 27, 2021, 09:26:38 AM
Personally I rate Abraham as a better finisher than Watkins, but not a better overall player.  I'd rate both of them better finishers than the likes of Rashford for that matter. My problem is he wouldn't come as a reserve so you'd have to play both. Now I personally don't think Abraham could play wide or off Watkins. Watkins would play wide or off Abraham but you'd have to say, why would you bother?
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Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Personally if we need a centre forward then why not go for the Calvert Lewin from Everton

our owners are very rich, then why not try to get better players than we currently have, rather than signing a player who wants to top up his pension and a good Championship player

I thought we had ambition to get into the top 4, the 2 players we have signed so far may get us 10th
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Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2021, 10:59:38 AM
Personally if we need a centre forward then why not go for the Calvert Lewin from Everton

our owners are very rich, then why not try to get better players than we currently have, rather than signing a player who wants to top up his pension and a good Championship player

I thought we had ambition to get into the top 4, the 2 players we have signed so far may get us 10th

Didn't Konsa and Watkins come from the championship?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
So did Cash and we brought Mings and McGinn up from that league with us, too. The two players we have signed are excellent acquisitions, and we are definitely going to sign more players. The idea that we are doing so in the hope of improving by one place in the league is crazy talk.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 27, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
If you were Abraham, surely you'd have eyes on being Kane's replacement at Spurs and playing nearly every game or if that doesn't pay off, going to West Ham and playing nearly every game.

I'm sure he had a lovely time with us, I just don't see why he'd choose to come here when the other options he'd probably have would (a) probably pay him more (b) see him play more (c) see him get to stay where he lives

I'd have no problem if we signed him, I just don't think either of us is exactly what the other needs at the moment.

Spurs and chelsea rarely do business together cant see that happening.
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Post by: wolfman999 on June 27, 2021, 11:41:16 AM
I see lots of comments about buying this player or that and the problems of trying to fit them into the team. Surely the whole point of this exercise is to build a strong squad of players and having them fighting each other likes cats in a sack to get into the starting eleven and staying there. A bench with gbp30/40M players on it would show we have arrived in the big time and how to keep them happy is down to management! Past experiences have shown the problems with having a great first team that implodes  when a couple of stars are unavailable.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 27, 2021, 11:54:51 AM
If I was looking at a forward at Chelsea i'd be going for Pulisic. Now he can play wide of Watkins and do Watkin's job if he was injured. 50m should do it. 8)
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 27, 2021, 11:56:55 AM
If I was looking at a forward at Chelsea i'd be going for Pulisic. Now he can play wide of Watkins and do Watkin's job if he was injured. 50m should do it. 8)


yep he is awesome
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Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2021, 12:10:26 PM
Pulisic is obviously unavailable but he is the right sort of player we should be looking for. Get that right and then add a quality defensive midfielder and I'd be pretty happy with where the squad is, maybe just looking for a cover player or 2 then, depending on how far along Smith thinks the U23s are.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2021, 12:36:33 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.
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Post by: Ads on June 27, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
Worse output goals and assist wise than Bertie, in a better side.
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Post by: algy on June 27, 2021, 12:47:00 PM
Think the talk of Tammy being a mid table or even Championship striker is odd. Self-evidently he can hold a place down at a top 4 team, since he did pretty well at Chelsea under Lampard. He'll also settle in quickly, you'd think.

He's an odd one. If we were bringing in 2 or 3 players I'd probably not have picked him out, but - like Ashley Young - he's such a low risk signing for us that it might make sense. We could have a fairly busy window yet still keep a settled squad.

I dunno, I was a skeptic yesterday but I'm kind of coming round to the idea that actually, if we're planning on gate crashing the upper echelons of the league this coming season then he makes perfect sense. And right now is the time to do that - FFP will be relaxed, but very few teams in the world will be able to take advantage of that. And we're one of the few that can.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2021, 12:53:29 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.

No. He also won't get us promoted, won't keep us up and he's taken us as far as he can.
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Post by: Ads on June 27, 2021, 12:54:56 PM
I like Tammy and he is  capable of playing for a top 6 side and delivering, because he has dome exactly that. But, I think a more versatile 2nd striker type that can switch wide or deep is probably more what we need.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 27, 2021, 01:04:58 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.

No. He also won't get us promoted, won't keep us up and he's taken us as far as he can.


and no cup finals
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Post by: astonvilla82 on June 27, 2021, 01:17:17 PM
This Dean Smith guy,who is he?,is he manager of the under 12s
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Post by: Ads on June 27, 2021, 01:25:09 PM
Arsenal having to sell before the can buy. 3 players potentially on their way out and they cannot afford to pay up front what Brighton want for White.

Take our money for ESR you skint rats.
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Post by: ROBBO on June 27, 2021, 01:27:00 PM
At 40 mill i don't think Tammy is low risk.
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Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2021, 01:33:27 PM
I agree the players we have signed from the Championship have done well and taken us to 11th in the premier league, to take the next step so we are challenging regularly for a European position in the league we will need better quality than top Championship players.

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Post by: Ads on June 27, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
A quality player is a quality player. It's self evident that Konsa would fit in anywhere in the league, he's exceptional. He came from Brentford, but a Championship player is not.
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Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2021, 01:50:58 PM
A quality player is a quality player. It's self evident that Konsa would fit in anywhere in the league, he's exceptional. He came from Brentford, but a Championship player is not.

Christ, I'm glad we signed Konsa from Brentford and not Mepham, he's a right donkey.
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Post by: OCD on June 27, 2021, 01:54:51 PM
Tim Vickery comparing Alvarez to Gary Shaw - https://www.footballfancast.com/aston-villa-transfer-rumours/aston-villa-julian-alvarez-gary-shaw-premier-league-transfer-gossip-rumours-news-villa-park-dean-smith.
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Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2021, 01:56:17 PM
Where you sign players from is irrelevant, how well you've scouted them is what matters.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
Like a few others here, if I was picking a kind of forward to have as backup / competition/ rotation with Oliie I would be looking for someone that could also play wide. Tammy would not be the first name I would pick for that.

Last season I raised an eyebrow when we splashed out on Cash, as I really didn't see right back as a priority with Guillbert and Elmo both quite good.

I think with Tammy we might be seeing what we saw with Cash. A player is available that will strengthen us, albeit in a position we already have a decent first teamer. I don't think it means we are not trying to fill the priority positions (cover for left back, cover for centre back, and a hard tackling midfielder). I just think we are taking good players when we can, and see strong competition as a nice problem to have.

Tammy is a good player, having multiple good players competing for places is where teams that win trophies regularly are. Else you have to hope you don't ever get an injury to your core set and everyone plays well all season (Leicester when they won). Last season we were heading for top 4 until Jack got injured. But if Oliie had got injured instead it would have the same effect - no one on the bench of the same standard. Next season if we have Buendia and Tammy and both Jack and Ollie get sidelined we would still have a decent team to put out.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 03:11:38 PM
Arsenal having to sell before the can buy. 3 players potentially on their way out and they cannot afford to pay up front what Brighton want for White.

Take our money for ESR you skint rats.

I honestly think we'll sign Smith Rowe in the end.


Pretty clear Arsenal are lowballing him with contract offers so can see another Martinez situation here.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2021, 03:14:12 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.

No. He also won't get us promoted, won't keep us up and he's taken us as far as he can.

Dean is still learning in the Prem, but I expect at some point, players will show an admiring glance in our direction and want to join us because we seem to be building from the bottom up and are capable of playing some great football.    Anyone who knocks him, or dares to question or hypothesise will be shot down.  However, if we wanted a really top player to come to Villa, is Dean Smith a name that players will want to join at the moment?  Does this prevent us from pushing the boat out at the moment.  It's a simple question which doesn't really call for sarcasm.   
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 03:16:00 PM
I doubt players care too much who the manager is, unless it's someone they're worked with before. If Man United appoint Paul Lambert as manager and Pep Guardiola ends up at Norwich, would-be superstars still aren't going to choose Norwich ahead of Man U.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
I agree the players we have signed from the Championship have done well and taken us to 11th in the premier league, to take the next step so we are challenging regularly for a European position in the league we will need better quality than top Championship players.



Leicester have the right mix when you look at it. That core of players who've been there years, Schmeichel, Vardy, Albrighton etc then a couple who've stepped up superbly from championship, Maddison, James Justin, odd home grown player like Harvey Barnes aswell who they loaned out for two seasons.

That's the template we're looking at. However Leicester also signed Tielemans from Monaco, Periera from Porto who've just won euro 2016 and Soyuncu was pretty rated in Bundesliga when they got him so think that's a difference, they have a pull to attact good players in 20-25 from good european leagues which is still a bit of a struggle for us.

Hopefully Sanson will hit the ground running next season which will give DS a bit more confidence with dealing with those types as he quickly lost faith with Engels and Gulibert after a few indifferent performances.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2021, 03:19:12 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.

No. He also won't get us promoted, won't keep us up and he's taken us as far as he can.

Dean is still learning in the Prem, but I expect at some point, players will show an admiring glance in our direction and want to join us because we seem to be building from the bottom up and are capable of playing some great football.    Anyone who knocks him, or dares to question or hypothesise will be shot down.  However, if we wanted a really top player to come to Villa, is Dean Smith a name that players will want to join at the moment?  Does this prevent us from pushing the boat out at the moment.  It's a simple question which doesn't really call for sarcasm.   

It's not sarcasm, it's pointing out that this is another thing we hear he can't do, on top of the others he apparently can't do until he does them.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2021, 03:24:31 PM
Is Dean Smith the kind of Manager to pull in top names? Just a question as genuinely interested what people think.

No. He also won't get us promoted, won't keep us up and he's taken us as far as he can.

Dean is still learning in the Prem, but I expect at some point, players will show an admiring glance in our direction and want to join us because we seem to be building from the bottom up and are capable of playing some great football.    Anyone who knocks him, or dares to question or hypothesise will be shot down.  However, if we wanted a really top player to come to Villa, is Dean Smith a name that players will want to join at the moment?  Does this prevent us from pushing the boat out at the moment.  It's a simple question which doesn't really call for sarcasm.   

It's not sarcasm, it's pointing out that this is another thing we hear he can't do, on top of the others he apparently can't do until he does them.

This is one of the reasons I'd like us to sign JWP.  An England international, would send out a really good message.  I don't think signing Tammy Abraham would quite do the same. 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 03:28:18 PM
Tammy is an England International. I can see arguments for signing others but don't think many clubs would be turning their nose up at someone with his goal record.

Number one priority for me, if we keep Grealish, is someone to replace Barkley. We were brilliant when he played well. I'm not, for one second, saying we should buy or even re-sign him, but we should be looking for someone who can link up with Grealish like he did in the 7-2, but who won't be so inconsistent. Preferably someone with a better engine and less worrying injury record. Maybe Alvarez would fit the bill?
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Post by: Dave on June 27, 2021, 03:33:04 PM
I doubt players care too much who the manager is, unless it's someone they're worked with before. If Man United appoint Paul Lambert as manager and Pep Guardiola ends up at Norwich, would-be superstars still aren't going to choose Norwich ahead of Man U.

Yup, more or less that. There probably isn't a single player in Europe who would want join us because they want to play for Dean Smith.

There probably aren't any who would refuse to join and cite Dean Smith being manager as the reason either.
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Post by: JJ-AV on June 27, 2021, 03:37:08 PM
Watkins - Abraham - Buendia
Jack
McGinn - Luiz

Looks a pretty good front 6 to me

Signing one of Jack's best mates too, and playing him behind a £100m forward line would signal some intent

Lots of fluidity, can easily switch to a 4-2-2-2 as well
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Post by: Risso on June 27, 2021, 03:38:10 PM
Tammy is an England International. I can see arguments for signing others but don't think many clubs would be turning their nose up at someone with his goal record.

Number one priority for me, if we keep Grealish, is someone to replace Barkley. We were brilliant when he played well. I'm not, for one second, saying we should buy or even re-sign him, but we should be looking for someone who can link up with Grealish like he did in the 7-2, but who won't be so inconsistent. Preferably someone with a better engine and less worrying injury record. Maybe Alvarez would fit the bill?

Isn't Buendia the sort of Barkley replacement. Certainly looking at his highlights video from last season, he seemed to play a lot of good stuff through the middle of the pitch, rather than the wings.
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Post by: JJ-AV on June 27, 2021, 03:41:30 PM
I'm he's given the freedom to roam, but he plays almost exclusively from the right according to WhoScored.
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Post by: OCD on June 27, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Arsenal having to sell before the can buy. 3 players potentially on their way out and they cannot afford to pay up front what Brighton want for White.

Take our money for ESR you skint rats.

I honestly think we'll sign Smith Rowe in the end.


Pretty clear Arsenal are lowballing him with contract offers so can see another Martinez situation here.

He's supposedly still on £20k/week. Buendia is meant to be on about £85k/week and Jack on £125k/week (and potentially on the rise) with Barkley likely on the same last season with Smith-Rowe replacing him. Signing a £30m+ player, we could easily offer him £85-125k/week.

Will he always be looked down upon for never having been a big signing? He seemed to play a lesser role when Arsenal brought in Odegaard and it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted a big signing as first choice in that position to replace Odegaard with Smith-Rowe playing the understudy role.

With us, he would instantly be seen as a key player and paid appropriately. It wouldn't surprise me if he's seriously thinking about coming.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 03:42:48 PM
I thought he was more a winger but may be wrong.

Edit: to JJ-AV/Risso
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
I also think we might already have the player that can cover up front or play left/right of Ollie in Traore. He has played as a striker before and has all the skill in the world.
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Post by: OCD on June 27, 2021, 03:44:18 PM
Tammy is an England International. I can see arguments for signing others but don't think many clubs would be turning their nose up at someone with his goal record.

Number one priority for me, if we keep Grealish, is someone to replace Barkley. We were brilliant when he played well. I'm not, for one second, saying we should buy or even re-sign him, but we should be looking for someone who can link up with Grealish like he did in the 7-2, but who won't be so inconsistent. Preferably someone with a better engine and less worrying injury record. Maybe Alvarez would fit the bill?

Isn't Buendia the sort of Barkley replacement. Certainly looking at his highlights video from last season, he seemed to play a lot of good stuff through the middle of the pitch, rather than the wings.

Think he started on the right but often wandered inside. I think he would be comfortable in either position.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 03:44:37 PM
Traore will be more on the bench this season. Brilliant on his day but obviously if we want to finish somewhere in top 8 we can't be having regular final third players phoning it in for 3 games out of 5 as tended to happen post January.

Traore and AEG will be decent sub options after an hour so along with a decent CF on the bench hopefully DS won't take so long to introduce players in second halves if we're struggling to make an impact as in previous seasons.
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Post by: algy on June 27, 2021, 03:50:51 PM
At 40 mill i don't think Tammy is low risk.
He’s played in the side before, with largely the same back room staff and a chunk of the same players. We can be as near to certain as it’s ever possible to be that he’ll settle in quickly and get along with everyone. He can definitely score goals at Premier League level. He’s as low risk as it’s possible to be.

That just leaves us with the fee.  I think if we paid about the same as we did for Ollie Watkins, we’ll have got him at a decent price.

A lot of folk on here seem to think we have to qualify for Europe/the champions league to keep Jack.  I don’t know whether that’s true or not, but if it is then we are going to have to be signing the sort of players we’d be signing if we were a top 4 side, which would mean having more than one striker you were 100% confident will do the business. I happen to think Wes will come good, but we can’t take the chance.
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Post by: steamer on June 27, 2021, 04:08:38 PM
I never saw Tammy play much for us in the championship as airings were limited.
I do remember a number of posters on here and other mates questioning whether or not he was what we needed.
What we do need is some support and or options up front
If the Management team think it is Tammy so be it, they have done a pretty good job so far
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 04:14:46 PM
Arsenal having to sell before the can buy. 3 players potentially on their way out and they cannot afford to pay up front what Brighton want for White.

Take our money for ESR you skint rats.

I honestly think we'll sign Smith Rowe in the end.


Pretty clear Arsenal are lowballing him with contract offers so can see another Martinez situation here.

He's supposedly still on £20k/week. Buendia is meant to be on about £85k/week and Jack on £125k/week (and potentially on the rise) with Barkley likely on the same last season with Smith-Rowe replacing him. Signing a £30m+ player, we could easily offer him £85-125k/week.

Will he always be looked down upon for never having been a big signing? He seemed to play a lesser role when Arsenal brought in Odegaard and it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted a big signing as first choice in that position to replace Odegaard with Smith-Rowe playing the understudy role.

With us, he would instantly be seen as a key player and paid appropriately. It wouldn't surprise me if he's seriously thinking about coming.

Their results really picked up when he broke through into their first 11 in December last season. Incredibly I think they were only second to Man. City in how many points they picked up from Boxing day which shows how bad they were for first three months and Smith Rowe was big part of that.

I can see it being a bit like Martinez. Arteta was thinking of making him number one but then Leno would've been harder to sell with the wages he was on so pressure from board meant Arteta had to cash in.

Could be same with Smith Rowe. Arteta rates him but Arsenal in a mess financially so when you can't sell Pepe given the insane fee they paid for him and cashing in on Bukayo Saka would cause a riot there then ESR could be the odd one out, not totally guarenteed a starting spot and we're apparently coming in with 30m + bid. So with Arsenal having no european income for first time in 25 years that becomes very tempting for their bean counters.

Given we've been linked to him for 4-5 weeks now we're clearly getting some encouragement from his agent.

After all this it will probably be announced in next hour he's signed new 5 year deal but I dunno I feel confident on this like Martinez last summer who was linked for a few weeks while we waited to see if he played for Arsenal in their first game. He didn't and we signed him a few days later.
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Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
Tammy is an England International. I can see arguments for signing others but don't think many clubs would be turning their nose up at someone with his goal record.
Number one priority for me, if we keep Grealish, is someone to replace Barkley. We were brilliant when he played well. I'm not, for one second, saying we should buy or even re-sign him, but we should be looking for someone who can link up with Grealish like he did in the 7-2, but who won't be so inconsistent. Preferably someone with a better engine and less worrying injury record. Maybe Alvarez would fit the bill?
#10 could currently be filled by Grealish, Buendia, McGinn, Chuky, Sanson and Ramsey Major.
Now, add a CMF in the Kante mould and cover for Watkins and we'd be flying.
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Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2021, 04:50:11 PM
Tammy is an England International. I can see arguments for signing others but don't think many clubs would be turning their nose up at someone with his goal record.

You say that but there doesn't appear to be many links with him moving other than to us and a big part of that is clearly because he played here before. If people aren't going to turn their nose up at him why aren't half the league showing an interest?

I suspect it's because most clubs and fans think it's a lot of money for what we'd be getting.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 04:50:54 PM
Most of the league can't afford him, or, at least, can't afford to sign him and their other targets.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
people saying no to Tammy Abraham must be thinking Davis or Wesley will come good.
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Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2021, 05:08:04 PM
I must admit, I have hopes still with Wes and Davis and have not given up, however the prospect of Tammy instead is much more appealing.
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Post by: simboy on June 27, 2021, 05:19:07 PM
Abraham would mean having an option of playing Ollie wider on the left should Jack be injured/sold. Also would allow Grealish to possibly have a more roaming role. It’d be a good move imho as if (big if I accept) Grealish does go, all prices go up £10mill to us as clubs know we have even more disposable.

Smith played Ollie left later in games last season a little as personnel changed in the games and he did play as a winger early in his career. From what little I could see from Sky-view Watkins seemed to understand his defensive duties.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 27, 2021, 05:31:27 PM
Pretty sure he would consider it beneath him, but Tammy should go to Brighton.  A team that creates loads but cannot score.  He’d be first pick every week and, if he’s good, will be a back in the England squad and have a top six side flirting with him in no time. 

Being our reserve striker, or shuffling our attack to fit him in, doesn’t seem a good option for either party.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
if we're going to be this europe chasing top 6 side people want us to be then we need two forwards.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2021, 05:39:42 PM
people saying no to Tammy Abraham must be thinking Davis or Wesley will come good.

Or they perhaps think that there are better signings out there.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2021, 06:02:39 PM
people saying no to Tammy Abraham must be thinking Davis or Wesley will come good.

Or they perhaps think that there are better signings out there.
of course there are better signings out there. Ronaldo would be useful up front.
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Post by: OCD on June 27, 2021, 06:23:21 PM
I'm coming round to cdbullyweefan's way of thinking i.e. fuck it, go and get them all (Abraham, JWP, ESR, Alvarez, a DM and cover players).

No idea who the other was that you mentioned cd.
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 27, 2021, 06:28:14 PM
I may have missed something but is the frenzy about Tammy based purely on a Mirror story - and if so is it believable - or do we have more credible evidence of interest ?
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Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
Tammy is a 'fox in the box' which is where the vast majority of his goals come from. Ollie drops deep and plays from there and often plays wide too. So for me they are an ideal mix of a partnership. Plus they both score goals.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 27, 2021, 06:42:44 PM
I may have missed something but is the frenzy about Tammy based purely on a Mirror story - and if so is it believable - or do we have more credible evidence of interest ?
probably about as much as the 'Jack to City' talk....
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2021, 06:54:47 PM
As I've said before, it's a long time since we had an "Oh shit, not him" sub to come on after 70 minutes. Well, since the opposition thought it anyway.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2021, 06:56:36 PM
Yeah. All the top clubs have players that frighten you available on the bench.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 27, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
As I've said before, it's a long time since we had an "Oh shit, not him" sub to come on after 70 minutes. Well, since the opposition thought it anyway.

😂
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Post by: algy on June 27, 2021, 07:09:00 PM
I'm coming round to cdbullyweefan's way of thinking i.e. fuck it, go and get them all (Abraham, JWP, ESR, Alvarez, a DM and cover players).

No idea who the other was that you mentioned cd.
Yeah, that's the view I'm beginning to take. Coronavirus (hopefully) ain't going to happen every year, this is our chance - whilst other team's finances are in a state - to buy our way on to the top table.

Let's just get ourselves a top 4 squad:
Martinez/Steer/Sinsalo
Cash/? -- Konsa/Anderson -- Mings/Hause -- Targett/Young
Douglas Luiz/JWP -- McGinn/Sanson
Buendia/Alvarez -- ESR/Traore -- Grealish/El Goalzi
Watkins/Abraham/Wesley
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 27, 2021, 07:30:44 PM
I may have missed something but is the frenzy about Tammy based purely on a Mirror story - and if so is it believable - or do we have more credible evidence of interest ?
probably about as much as the 'Jack to City' talk....
That’s what I figured. For the first time in a long time I actually have faith in our recruitment. If it’s on - great is welcome it - but I think we are very good at managing our activities overall outside of the media until something seems concrete.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 08:36:16 PM
Sure Paul_e isn't actually Suso on here. Quick lock the safe before he blows 40m on Malen (wink).
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Post by: TonyD on June 27, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
Sanches for Lille is some player.   
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Post by: Richard E on June 27, 2021, 08:47:31 PM
Sure Paul_e isn't actually Suso on here. Quick lock the safe before he blows 40m on Malen (wink).

Even if he is, Suso doesn’t work for us anymore!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2021, 08:53:32 PM
Sanches for Lille is some player.   

Looks like he's really maturing as a player now, moved to Bayern too early and his Swansea loan was really bad aswell but that was three years ago now so Lille right sort of club for his development.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2021, 08:54:21 PM
Sanches for Lille is some player.   

Yeah, looks pretty good and they seem to be selling all their players.

Thought Jensen looked decent for Denmark yesterday. Turns out he plays for Brentford 🙄
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Post by: john2710 on June 27, 2021, 09:09:26 PM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on June 27, 2021, 09:39:56 PM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.

Couldn’t agree more, surprise some think Abraham is a backwards step…it really isnt
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Post by: OCD on June 27, 2021, 10:07:41 PM
Sanches for Lille is some player.   

Yeah, looks pretty good and they seem to be selling all their players.

Thought Jensen looked decent for Denmark yesterday. Turns out he plays for Brentford 🙄

It's Maehler, their right back, I like. Plays for Atalanta but joined from Genk about 3 years ago. Wrong timing for when we were shopping in Belgium.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 28, 2021, 08:46:57 AM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.

Completely agree.
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Post by: jwarry on June 28, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
Looks like we are determined to get ESR
https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1409442112366649344?s=21
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Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2021, 10:27:40 AM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.

Completely agree.

True but "right price" and "£30m" are doing a lot of work there when every report about Tammy for months has said £40m. The latter isn't the right price, the former isn't far off. If we were being linked with him for £2025m I'd be fine with it but for £40m I want a player where we aren't having to move one of our best players from last season out of position to fit a new signing in.
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Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
Whilst I like that we're after Smith-Rowe, despite Arsenal saying 'not-for-sale', I do wonder how we'd feel if Man City behaved the same way towards us.
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Post by: algy on June 28, 2021, 10:33:14 AM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.

Completely agree.

True but "right price" and "£30m" are doing a lot of work there when every report about Tammy for months has said £40m. The latter isn't the right price, the former isn't far off. If we were being linked with him for £2025m I'd be fine with it but for £40m I want a player where we aren't having to move one of our best players from last season out of position to fit a new signing in.
I think he might be a tad overpriced at that.
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Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
Sanches for Lille is some player.   
Yes BUT remember when Spurs signed a player from Newcastle for an enormous fee because he had a stormer in the WC for France? That really didn't turn out well.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 10:39:31 AM
No way would we break our record transfer fee to provide cover for Watkins or that Tammy would come as cover. He could go as a guaranteed starter to half the clubs in the premiership and if they couldn't afford the fee he'd go on loan. If he did arrive he'd be playing either up front with Watkins wide or vice-versa
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2021, 10:52:35 AM
Whilst I like that we're after Smith-Rowe, despite Arsenal saying 'not-for-sale', I do wonder how we'd feel if Man City behaved the same way towards us.

Keep making bids? Nothing much wrong with that, that's how transfers work.
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Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
Whilst I like that we're after Smith-Rowe, despite Arsenal saying 'not-for-sale', I do wonder how we'd feel if Man City behaved the same way towards us.

Keep making bids? Nothing much wrong with that, that's how transfers work.

You can imagine the meltdown though.
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Post by: Risso on June 28, 2021, 10:57:23 AM
I'd hope that there's be better value for money out there than Tammy, but I'd still be pleased if we bought him. For a start, he's a known quantity and a very good player.

At the moment, we have the following as potential wide attacking players: Jack, Buendia, Traore, El Ghazi and Watkins. I haven't included Trez at the moment because of the injury, but I'd actually add Ollie in there, as I think he'd be just as good playing slightly wider, and wouldn't lose much of his attacking intent given he's constantly running all over the attacking third anyway.

On the other hand, as a proper out-and-out striker, we have Ollie, and that's it. As much as we all want Davis to work, it really isn't likely that it's going to, and unfortunately I'd say the same for Wesley. If we bought Tammy, we could easily play him in most games, eg

Tammy
Jack Buendia Ollie

Obviously you could then play Traore in Ollie's spot if needed, and Ollie up front, or Buendia wider and Traore more central. We need to get away from the idea that we have the first 11 and then a set of subs who are nowhere near as good as the players they are replacing. Similarly Smith needs to get on board with proper in game management and not only rotating players when they're knackered. Also if Jack does stay, I reckon his injury is going to need managing.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 28, 2021, 11:00:21 AM
In my view its just my opinion, i think offering  30m with various add ons to make the deal worth 40m i think chelsea would accept that.

If its something like 3m if he scores x amount of goals its win win for us as we would have benefited from his goals.

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Post by: chrisw1 on June 28, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
Whilst I like that we're after Smith-Rowe, despite Arsenal saying 'not-for-sale', I do wonder how we'd feel if Man City behaved the same way towards us.
But we couldn't be more straightforward - we make a bid and they can accept it or not.  We don't spend months tapping up players, getting the press to unsettle them and then trying low ball offers.  I'd have a lot more respect for City if they just made an offer and if we reject it take it with good grace or make a new one.  Piss or get off the pot.
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Post by: andyh on June 28, 2021, 11:08:09 AM
The ESR stuff rumbles on.
If we have made another bid, we are obviously getting encouragement from someone?

Tierney signed his new contract at Arse pretty quickly, I wonder why ESR appears reluctant?
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Post by: AV82EC on June 28, 2021, 11:12:36 AM
On Smith Rowe, keep bidding and if they say no and he signs a new contract then so be it.

On Tammy, not convinced but let’s see what happens.

On Grealish, let’s see the colour of Citehs money before we all lose our shit. NSWE will reject all bids I’d imagine. If Grealish wants out for CL football, can understand that, but that comes at a price which is going to smash the British transfer record out of sight. I’m not sure if they can afford Kane and Grealish in the same window either.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 11:23:31 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.
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Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2021, 11:25:09 AM
At the right price it's a no-brainer, Tammy would be a big improvement on Davies & Wes. It would also address the risk of losing Watkins to injury or form. Having £30m players on the bench is a measure of how far we've come.

Completely agree.

True but "right price" and "£30m" are doing a lot of work there when every report about Tammy for months has said £40m. The latter isn't the right price, the former isn't far off. If we were being linked with him for £2025m I'd be fine with it but for £40m I want a player where we aren't having to move one of our best players from last season out of position to fit a new signing in.
I think he might be a tad overpriced at that.

oops
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Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2021, 11:31:44 AM
I think we will have to pay 35-40 with add ons for Smith-Rowe, which begs the question whether he has shown enough already to warrant that kind of fee. Ziyech cost Chelsea around £30 million for example, so are there options in Europe that could offer similar ability?

Of the players linked, Sarr in midfield is the one I would be most excited about, he looks like he has huge potential. Ward Prowse would be an excellent signing, like Hourihane with more in game involvement. Alvarez looks a really decent prospect and more of a backup for Ollie than Tammy does. I loved Tammy first time round, but really not sure he has the game to offer what Watkins does, which is full throttle pest mode to the opposition from the first minute. His pressing and attitude get us on the front foot. We need backup, but not convinced for the money that Tammy is the right option.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
I'd actually say 30m for Tammy would be a bargain if we were seriously interested and could drive it down 10m with a fair few add ons. Plus we gave them 10m for facking Barkley 12 months ago so surely could get a discount.

I mean a decade ago we pretty much paid 20m for Bent and look at how transfer fees have blown out of control since then in top half of the league.

In a world where Pep clicks his fingers and signs a full back for 40m + then 30m for an England international who's played and scored in champions league and was one one of top scorers in league in 19/20 isn't that much and he's still early 20a.

Wes at 22m, that's much harder to justifiy as a fee given his lack of experience at top level although seems we made sure we got him for over 20m as helped with his work permit application.

Probably in next 5 years we will sign a player for over 40m anyway given we're now regularly signing players in 20-30m bracket.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 11:35:49 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 11:37:22 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Willock's in the same category, should get a proper chance in their team but they could sell him for 25-30m after his Newcastle loan.

I wouldn't be against us going for him myself. Goalscoring box to box midfielder, McGinn used to do that stuff.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2021, 11:38:07 AM
The ESR stuff rumbles on.
If we have made another bid, we are obviously getting encouragement from someone?

Tierney signed his new contract at Arse pretty quickly, I wonder why ESR appears reluctant?

Apparently he is still on academy-grad wages of only (sic) £20k per week. Based on Buendia, we'd probably be offering him £80k or so.

I'm guessing he's saying "pay me what Villa would pay me". And without our interest he'd probably have already signed a £40kpw deal with them.
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Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2021, 11:38:45 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2021, 11:40:46 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Willock's in the same category, should get a proper chance in their team but they could sell him for 25-30m after his Newcastle loan.

I wouldn't be against us going for him myself. Goalscoring box to box midfielder, McGinn used to do that stuff.

Was it a flash in the pan or genuine form though. Carries that kind of form on from the centre of midfield, he will be worth fortunes. Arsenal would be bonkers not to keep him and play him to find out next season, his value won't drop that much if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 11:44:09 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2021, 11:57:07 AM
They're a high-end version of us before we went down. A series of desperate transfer decisions made in a bid to retain/regain their previous status. It hasn't worked and now the spiral down (for them) to mid-table begins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 11:58:24 AM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one
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Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2021, 11:58:33 AM
They need cash to complete their own deals, we by all accounts are happy to do just that. Signing Emi last year meant they could sign Partey, we know their situation and have them by the balls somewhat.

I'm not convinced it will go through and I think we'll sign Ward Prowse instead.
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Post by: andyh on June 28, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
Look at the fucking hypocrisy going on here. And Winter is a ‘proper’ journalist.

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1409465568554594304?s=20

What about our home grown talent that the media seem so fucking intent on selling for us.
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Post by: sid1964 on June 28, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
£30 million bid rejected for ESR
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Post by: andyh on June 28, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
They need cash to complete their own deals, we by all accounts are happy to do just that. Signing Emi last year meant they could sign Partey, we know their situation and have them by the balls somewhat.

I'm not convinced it will go through and I think we'll sign Ward Prowse instead.
That would be my hope. JWP looks like a great fit for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2021, 12:08:07 PM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one

I'd assume that it would be Xhaka, Bellerin and Torreira.

But that doesn't solve the problem- they are all earning £4-5m per year each, which the sort of clubs who would be interested won't be paying them.

They might give Arsenal a semi-decent transfer fee, they might give the players something close to what they are earning - but they won't do both.

If you were Xhaka, why would you walk away from two more years of £5m each when you don't need to?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 28, 2021, 12:10:46 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 12:11:20 PM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one

Yeah Xhaka is going but Roma only want to pay about 15m so that's the issue for Arsenal as Italian clubs nowadays don't expect spend 30m + on many players so they could get far more for the British ones on the fringes.

Think Bellerin to Inter Milan also rumoured but again he's been a shadow of what he was since doing his ACL in 2019.

We should be finishing above Arsenal next season. Should've done it last season but in fairness they took most points in league after Man. City from about Boxing day while we had the poor run from middle of Feb up to start of May.

At least we have no fear whatsoever playing them now, think it's three matches we've played since we've conceded a goal so match up very well nowadays compared to most of last 20 years.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
The ESR stuff is odd. From the outside it appears Arsenal don’t want to sell, but we must have some impression that their position is different.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 12:15:25 PM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one

I'd assume that it would be Xhaka, Bellerin and Torreira.

But that doesn't solve the problem- they are all earning £4-5m per year each, which the sort of clubs who would be interested won't be paying them.

They might give Arsenal a semi-decent transfer fee, they might give the players something close to what they are earning - but they won't do both.

If you were Xhaka, why would you walk away from two more years of £5m each when you don't need to?

Torreira has actualy been linked to Lazio. What's interesting about that is Arsenal trying to get swop deal going in which they'd get Joaquin Correa in return. He's someone who can play on left or just off a main striker.

Now I wonder who they're planning to replace if they sign a player with tha profile.....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 12:16:45 PM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one

I'd assume that it would be Xhaka, Bellerin and Torreira.

But that doesn't solve the problem- they are all earning £4-5m per year each, which the sort of clubs who would be interested won't be paying them.

They might give Arsenal a semi-decent transfer fee, they might give the players something close to what they are earning - but they won't do both.

If you were Xhaka, why would you walk away from two more years of £5m each when you don't need to?

Have to admit i'm not an expert on the current financial shape of Italian clubs but Roma aren't the poorest. They've paid a lot more that what Arsenal want for Xhaka. Talk of a player swap plus cash deal as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on June 28, 2021, 12:22:22 PM
It depends on the financial model of the club ownerships, and Roma have owners happier to take losses than most (especially Inter).
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 28, 2021, 12:23:49 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 28, 2021, 12:24:46 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 12:26:25 PM
Players Roma sign from premier league tend to be expensive frees, Dzeko, Mikhityran and Pedro.

Guess they're giving Mourinho a decent budget but they won't go over 20m for Xhaka.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 28, 2021, 12:26:26 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.

I agree, Winter has always been good with us.

It was that Oliver Hoult that couldn't get over what we did to MON
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 12:26:44 PM
Might have already said this but this is first time in 25 years Arsenal have no european income. Pretty sure they get about 25-30m for getting to europa SF so could make that up by selling a Smith Rowe.

Really think this could be another Martinez situaiton. Arteta ideally wants to keep him but he's nudged to the sale by the board.

There was bit on this by world famous spoofer/ITK Fabrizio Romano. He reckoned they had about 60m lined up in sales without selling Smith Rowe

Which they are blowing on Ben White. I think they need the money - get anywhere near £40 million they will accept the bid I am sure. It is just a question of whether he is worth that much.

You'd have to say they probably do need the money unless they have decided to change the strategy of the last 20 years. I wouldn't mind Willock or Smith Rowe but you have to say if you're skint why sell promising home grown players that cost you nothing?
 

Who do they sell instead? I can't see many people bidding big for Willian's £10m annual salary. Lacazette is out of contract next summer. Pepe, Partey and Aubameyang are costing them nearly £35m a year in wages.

To get cash, they have the choice of selling a couple of their impressive youth players or trying to persuade some hugely expensive assets to take a lower salary elsewhere.

Well you obviously play the likes of Willock and Rowe I would have thought because to replace them with better is going to cost you the best part of 100m in fees and wages. I can't remember who Romano had lined up for them to sell but it was 3 players to Italian clubs. Xhaha was one

Yeah Xhaka is going but Roma only want to pay about 15m so that's the issue for Arsenal as Italian clubs nowadays don't expect spend 30m + on many players so they could get far more for the British ones on the fringes.

Think Bellerin to Inter Milan also rumoured but again he's been a shadow of what he was since doing his ACL in 2019.

We should be finishing above Arsenal next season. Should've done it last season but in fairness they took most points in league after Man. City from about Boxing day while we had the poor run from middle of Feb up to start of May.

At least we have no fear whatsoever playing them now, think it's three matches we've played since we've conceded a goal so match up very well nowadays compared to most of last 20 years.

They are definitely a team we should be targeting to overhaul I think. Where we are at the moment, a lot will depend on injuries and the Jack situation obviously, but given a relatively injury free season, and the new players fitting in, I don't see why not. Arsenal have had a slight smell of decline for more than a few years
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2021, 12:26:53 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.

I think he's a Chelsea fan.
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Post by: Monty on June 28, 2021, 12:27:44 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.

Well whoosh, if that has happened it's missed me by miles! Though it is true that Hoult hates us the most bizarrely.

On Smith-Rowe, I have no idea how good he might be or what he might be worth, but I do know that pissing off Arsenal fans is just funny.
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Post by: robbo1874 on June 28, 2021, 12:40:57 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.

Well whoosh, if that has happened it's missed me by miles! Though it is true that Hoult hates us the most bizarrely.

On Smith-Rowe, I have no idea how good he might be or what he might be worth, but I do know that pissing off Arsenal fans is just funny.
Spurs is my kind of yard-stick for progress next season. I know they’ve got a few problems now, but if we go past them next season that will be real progress in my view. I’d put Leicester in that same bracket. Consistently good sides over the last few seasons. Fkn he’ll- imagine just even winning the FA cup?
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Post by: Reuben on June 28, 2021, 12:41:29 PM


They are definitely a team we should be targeting to overhaul I think. Where we are at the moment, a lot will depend on injuries and the Jack situation obviously, but given a relatively injury free season, and the new players fitting in, I don't see why not. Arsenal have had a slight smell of decline for more than a few years

It's what Man City did about 10 years ago.  Targeting teams around and above them.  They bought our best players (Barry, Milner) then went for Arsenal (Toure, Nasri, Clichy)
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Post by: LukeJames on June 28, 2021, 12:47:56 PM
I dont know how but NSWE are still massively under the radar aswell. Very few people outside of Villa seems to grasp just how seriously minted and ambitious they are. Granted I know twitter is full of bellends but the general consesus on their seems to be confusion or denial on how Villa can go for ESR.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 28, 2021, 12:59:17 PM
Liverpool being linked with Abraham now. Interesting......Chelsea won't sell for peanuts if they're interested.

EDIT: Actually that's totally wrong due to the Meaning Evil's misleading headline. its ward-prowse they want apparently
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Post by: OCD on June 28, 2021, 01:00:46 PM
I dont know how but NSWE are still massively under the radar aswell. Very few people outside of Villa seems to grasp just how seriously minted and ambitious they are. Granted I know twitter is full of bellends but the general consesus on their seems to be confusion or denial on how Villa can go for ESR.

I think people within football have a sense. The average punter off the street has no idea though...we're not really throwing money around in a really visible manner to make it obvious. £30m signings yes but not putting in £70/80m bids for players here and there.
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Post by: Risso on June 28, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
I dont know how but NSWE are still massively under the radar aswell. Very few people outside of Villa seems to grasp just how seriously minted and ambitious they are. Granted I know twitter is full of bellends but the general consesus on their seems to be confusion or denial on how Villa can go for ESR.

I think people within football have a sense. The average punter off the street has no idea though...we're not really throwing money around in a really visible manner to make it obvious. £30m signings yes but not putting in £70/80m bids for players here and there.

We need to start acting like Billy Big Bollocks. Bids in for one or all of the following please: Kante/Mane/Pulisic/Kane/Greenwood. Don't take no for an answer.
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Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
Winter hasn't liked us since we refused to deify his bestest bestie Martin.

Hasn't he been very complimentary about us (and VP) in recent years? Think someone posted on here that he might even be a Villa fan.

I agree, Winter has always been good with us.

It was that Oliver Hoult that couldn't get over what we did to MON

Yep, dreary Emily Bishop from Corrie's dreary son.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 01:14:04 PM
Yeah think perception will only change to majority when we sign top level player in his prime. Or if not someone that has Carew standing in the game which showed we meant business in first year of Lerner.

Man. City signed Robinho hours after being taken over and while he wasn't a huge success they then signed Aguero and Yaya Toure a few years later who were.

Edit: I actually think us signing Tammy would impress the neutral as they'd go "blimey Villa adding him with Waktins and Grealish, some strikeforce that."
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Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.

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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2021, 01:17:37 PM
Both (Ashley) Young and Milner proved excellent signings and were probably not too different in terms of age and profile to ESR.
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Post by: andyh on June 28, 2021, 01:22:51 PM
Yeah think perception will only change to majority when we sign top level player in his prime. Or if not someone that has Carew standing in the game which showed we meant business in first year of Lerner.

Man. City signed Robinho hours after being taken over and while he wasn't a huge success they then signed Aguero and Yaya Toure a few years later who were.

Edit: I actually think us signing Tammy would impress the neutral as they'd go "blimey Villa adding him with Waktins and Grealish, some strikeforce that."
No, signing Tammy would DEFINITELY mean we’re selling Jack.
Or signing a new goalie will mean we are DEFINITELY selling Jack.
Even a new tea lady joining means we are definitely selling Jack.

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Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2021, 01:22:51 PM
Marty did do well with that duo, it's true.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2021, 01:40:45 PM
Both (Ashley) Young and Milner proved excellent signings and were probably not too different in terms of age and profile to ESR.

Both excellent so nothing wrong wit that.

However Spurs around that time were signing likes of Modric and Van Der Vaart so those were next level players that frustrating eluded us in that era.

Of course it was MON but there was some interest in signing Wesley Snejider in summer 2009 by all accounts.

Let's hope it's different in next five years.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2021, 01:42:17 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.



I might change my signature to this as I write it so often: Dean isn't in charge of recruitment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on June 28, 2021, 01:58:32 PM
This Smith-Rowe one is curious, it looks extremely unlikely but we must be getting some encouragement from somewhere to keep bidding. Presume it’s an agent play to get a better contract.
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Post by: algy on June 28, 2021, 02:03:18 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.
I'm not sure we are doing that, though.  To me, we seem to be just picking off players from sides who are vulnerable.  Norwich have a big hole in their finances - we sort them out in exchange for arguably the best player they've ever had.  Arsenal are a basket case, we're pinching Martinez and hopefully ESR off them.  Marseilles are hunting for pennies down the back of the sofa - we take Sanson off their hands.  Inter are skint - we have Ashley Young on a free.

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Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2021, 02:08:04 PM
The ESR stuff is odd. From the outside it appears Arsenal don’t want to sell, but we must have some impression that their position is different.

They probably don't, but might have to because of finances..... The posturing thing could be just that..
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 28, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
They're a high-end version of us before we went down. A series of desperate transfer decisions made in a bid to retain/regain their previous status. It hasn't worked and now the spiral down (for them) to mid-table begins.

I do hope so. I can just hear "Can we play you every week" when I close my eyes.
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Post by: kipeye on June 28, 2021, 02:35:58 PM
Yeah think perception will only change to majority when we sign top level player in his prime. Or if not someone that has Carew standing in the game which showed we meant business in first year of Lerner.

Man. City signed Robinho hours after being taken over and while he wasn't a huge success they then signed Aguero and Yaya Toure a few years later who were.
t: I actually think us signing Tammy would impress the neutral as they'd go "blimey Villa adding him with Waktins and Grealish, some strikeforce that."
I get you Soccer but I couldn't give a toss about other fans and what they think.
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Post by: algy on June 28, 2021, 03:21:17 PM
Yeah think perception will only change to majority when we sign top level player in his prime. Or if not someone that has Carew standing in the game which showed we meant business in first year of Lerner.

Man. City signed Robinho hours after being taken over and while he wasn't a huge success they then signed Aguero and Yaya Toure a few years later who were.

Edit: I actually think us signing Tammy would impress the neutral as they'd go "blimey Villa adding him with Waktins and Grealish, some strikeforce that."
We've got Super Jack Grealish.  Him staying at the club is a bigger signal of intent than any signing we could make.  He's good enough to play for any team, and be one of the first - if not the first - name on the team sheet.  As long as he stays, we're pretty good - there's only really De Bruyne who would be a signing on the same level as him IMO.
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Post by: oldhill_avfc on June 28, 2021, 04:09:53 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.

Nothing wrong with Deano focussing on the players he knows something about.  It's up the wider recruitment team to unearth talent from further afield.
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Post by: Risso on June 28, 2021, 04:29:04 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.



I might change my signature to this as I write it so often: Dean isn't in charge of recruitment.

He's not in charge of it, but clearly doesn't have no say. Hard to imagine that the the Konsa and Watkins transfers weren't instigated by him, for example. We can blame all of the shit ones on Pitarch if you like!
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2021, 04:29:18 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2021, 04:32:01 PM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.



I might change my signature to this as I write it so often: Dean isn't in charge of recruitment.

He's not in charge of it, but clearly doesn't have no say. Hard to imagine that the the Konsa and Watkins transfers weren't instigated by him, for example. We can blame all of the shit ones on Pitarch if you like!



I dont think we have made that many bad signings other than drinkwater , most have contributed if not for injuries
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 28, 2021, 06:14:12 PM
I dont think we have made that many bad signings other than drinkwater , most have contributed if not for injuries

Agreed, even when it was discussed on SHA they thought all our significant signings had gone up in value apart from Mings (but they have a bee in their bonnet about him anyway).
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 28, 2021, 06:57:25 PM
I dont think we have made that many bad signings other than drinkwater , most have contributed if not for injuries

Agreed, even when it was discussed on SHA they thought all our significant signings had gone up in value apart from Mings (but they have a bee in their bonnet about him anyway).

We bought a utility defender with a questionable injury record. Two years later he's a regular England international. Of course his value's gone down..
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Post by: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2021, 07:07:02 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on June 28, 2021, 07:09:55 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.

And like a twat I keep falling for it every now and again
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Post by: saunders_heroes on June 28, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.

And like a twat I keep falling for it every now and again

Same here.
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Post by: john e on June 28, 2021, 07:15:36 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.

And like a twat I keep falling for it every now and again

Same here.

At least we’re a pair of honest twats
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Post by: AV82EC on June 28, 2021, 07:16:02 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.

And like a twat I keep falling for it every now and again

Same here.

I’ve blocked them on Twitter the click bait twats.
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Post by: Dave on June 28, 2021, 07:20:53 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 

The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.

And like a twat I keep falling for it every now and again

Same here.

I'll very occasionally click on one, just to see how they've managed to make the breathless headline link to the completely unnewsworthy story.

In some cases the craftsmanship can be quite impressive.
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Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2021, 07:41:18 PM
Ha, yeah, likewise. Some random, usually ill-informed supporter on Social Meeds is often the source of their clicky headlines.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 28, 2021, 08:22:22 PM
Agreed, even when it was discussed on SHA they thought all our significant signings had gone up in value apart from Mings (but they have a bee in their bonnet about him anyway).

We bought a utility defender with a questionable injury record. Two years later he's a regular England international. Of course his value's gone down..

Absolute nonsense I know, but according to them he should be nowhere the England squad, a thug who deliberately tries to injure opponents etc. etc.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2021, 08:24:48 PM
Agreed, even when it was discussed on SHA they thought all our significant signings had gone up in value apart from Mings (but they have a bee in their bonnet about him anyway).

We bought a utility defender with a questionable injury record. Two years later he's a regular England international. Of course his value's gone down..

Absolute nonsense I know, but according to them he should be nowhere the England squad, a thug who deliberately tries to injure opponents etc. etc.

they're all still upset he laughed at them. The thin skinned bell ends.
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Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on June 28, 2021, 08:49:21 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 


The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.
I honestly haven't bought that publication(it's no longer a newspaper), for 15+years I don't think, I remember the Villa reporter as Rob Bishop, and the sports editor as Leon Hickman? (I think) ,back then I recall it as a NEWSpaper with capable journalists, now I wouldn't wipe my arsehole with it (or go on their shitty website).Absolute trash.
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Post by: BC Villain on June 28, 2021, 09:28:53 PM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 


The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.
I honestly haven't bought that publication(it's no longer a newspaper), for 15+years I don't think, I remember the Villa reporter as Rob Bishop, and the sports editor as Leon Hickman? (I think) ,back then I recall it as a NEWSpaper with capable journalists, now I wouldn't wipe my arsehole with it (or go on their shitty website).Absolute trash.

Journalists that used to do a bit of work for their stories, rather than just sit on their arses searching the Internet for something to wind up your readers.

How often have we seen "#### has made this comment - and Villa fans will hate it"?  They don't even hide their agenda now.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 29, 2021, 12:38:42 AM
'Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens comments made after new Emile Smith Rowe decision'

Birmingham Mails Headline today :

The comments are made by bloggers not the bloody owners


What a pile of crap 


The Mail are a disgrace, and their constant, relentless clickbait on Twitter is absolutely horrible.
I honestly haven't bought that publication(it's no longer a newspaper), for 15+years I don't think, I remember the Villa reporter as Rob Bishop, and the sports editor as Leon Hickman? (I think) ,back then I recall it as a NEWSpaper with capable journalists, now I wouldn't wipe my arsehole with it (or go on their shitty website).Absolute trash.

I stopped reading the Evening Mail the day I stopped delivering it on my bike. Dreadful rag 😂.
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Post by: ROBBO on June 29, 2021, 01:07:05 AM
One report says Villa about to pounce for Tammy Abraham, more likely Chelsea would pounce to take the 40 million.
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Post by: old man villa fan on June 29, 2021, 07:40:48 AM
We need to get away from the idea that we have the first 11 and then a set of subs who are nowhere near as good as the players they are replacing. Similarly Smith needs to get on board with proper in game management and not only rotating players when they're knackered.


Absolutely spot on with that comment.

With regards to forwards, we need players that can play all across the front line so that we get movement rather than the fairly static up and down the pitch.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 29, 2021, 08:19:05 AM
Although i look the look of rowe, going higher than 30m is insane

Lets look elsewhere

Dean's just doing what MON and Gregory did - focus on the British market, over-pay if necessary. Always ends in tears but it's a nice rollercoaster for a bit.

Or maybe Plan A weaken arsenal this summer by poaching their best young player plan B next summer move on to weakening spurs

#genius
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Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2021, 08:39:19 AM
I guess whether we follow up on Alvarez and Sarr will show whether we are solely looking at the British Market.

Smith Rowe - there has to be others on that list. Perreira maybe?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2021, 08:50:25 AM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 29, 2021, 09:06:25 AM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?

You have to say no on his career so far. We're buying potential frankly.

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Post by: algy on June 29, 2021, 09:51:22 AM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
Arguably it's not a huge amount different from when we paid north of £9m for Ashley Young.

I think Arsenal will end up folding on him - we just need to keep the pressure up and have a decent bid on the table.  I'd be hugely surprised if we'd have made a second bid without having an inkling that Smith Rowe was keen on the move, and I'd guess if Smith Rowe knows we're in for him and wants the move then it's pretty simple for him too - keep refusing their contract offers.  They ain't going to risk keeping him against his will, and have him on the last year of his contract next summer.  Not if there's a decent enough offer on the table.
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Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2021, 10:00:52 AM
Don't think inflation has rocketed so much in 14 years but I take your point.
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Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2021, 11:01:11 AM
Don't think inflation has rocketed so much in 14 years but I take your point.

Football inflation seems to be directly linked to the latest TV deals. Each time they go up transfer fees increase accordingly.
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Post by: Vegas on June 29, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
Arguably it's not a huge amount different from when we paid north of £9m for Ashley Young.

I think Arsenal will end up folding on him - we just need to keep the pressure up and have a decent bid on the table.  I'd be hugely surprised if we'd have made a second bid without having an inkling that Smith Rowe was keen on the move, and I'd guess if Smith Rowe knows we're in for him and wants the move then it's pretty simple for him too - keep refusing their contract offers.  They ain't going to risk keeping him against his will, and have him on the last year of his contract next summer.  Not if there's a decent enough offer on the table.

I hope this is true, but I’ve got a horrible feeling on this one that we have been totally played by his agent, used just to secure a better deal. Hope I’m wrong.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 29, 2021, 12:04:08 PM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
Arguably it's not a huge amount different from when we paid north of £9m for Ashley Young.

I think Arsenal will end up folding on him - we just need to keep the pressure up and have a decent bid on the table.  I'd be hugely surprised if we'd have made a second bid without having an inkling that Smith Rowe was keen on the move, and I'd guess if Smith Rowe knows we're in for him and wants the move then it's pretty simple for him too - keep refusing their contract offers.  They ain't going to risk keeping him against his will, and have him on the last year of his contract next summer.  Not if there's a decent enough offer on the table.

I hope this is true, but I’ve got a horrible feeling on this one that we have been totally played by his agent, used just to secure a better deal. Hope I’m wrong.

Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 29, 2021, 12:06:02 PM
Not the end of the World if it means Arsenal have to pay him a fortune in wages.

Sure we have other options if we don't get him.
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Post by: Risso on June 29, 2021, 12:07:11 PM

Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.

I think we're serious and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up with him. Arsenal might make a lot of noise, but when it comes to paying for White from Brighton, the prospect of recouping a big chunk of that is not going to be sniffed at by those skint pricks.
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Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2021, 12:12:20 PM
Yep, I agree with Dave W, that we are even bidding for him seriously shows that we mean business if it doesn't happen I still think we'll get a couple of signings on that sort of level.



Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.

I think we're serious and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up with him. Arsenal might make a lot of noise, but when it comes to paying for White from Brighton, the prospect of recouping a big chunk of that is not going to be sniffed at by those skint pricks.


Also this, they are supposedly after White and Locatelli, for me I'd snatch Locatelli from under their noses, then buy ESR to help them pay for White and then get Alvarez in. I'd be pretty happy with our summer if that was our lot, especially with no one else leaving. Might be a touch light at centre half though if Smith doesn't fancy Revan and/or Bridge as cover.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2021, 12:15:59 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.
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Post by: Risso on June 29, 2021, 12:17:48 PM
Yep, I agree with Dave W, that we are even bidding for him seriously shows that we mean business if it doesn't happen I still think we'll get a couple of signings on that sort of level.



Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.

I think we're serious and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up with him. Arsenal might make a lot of noise, but when it comes to paying for White from Brighton, the prospect of recouping a big chunk of that is not going to be sniffed at by those skint pricks.


Also this, they are supposedly after White and Locatelli, for me I'd snatch Locatelli from under their noses, then buy ESR to help them pay for White and then get Alvarez in. I'd be pretty happy with our summer if that was our lot, especially with no one else leaving. Might be a touch light at centre half though if Smith doesn't fancy Revan and/or Bridge as cover.

With ESR, Locatelli and Alvarez, I'd be more than 'pretty happy' I'd be ecstatic! Especially when Jack stays.
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Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2021, 12:21:11 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2021, 12:24:00 PM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
Arguably it's not a huge amount different from when we paid north of £9m for Ashley Young.

I think Arsenal will end up folding on him - we just need to keep the pressure up and have a decent bid on the table.  I'd be hugely surprised if we'd have made a second bid without having an inkling that Smith Rowe was keen on the move, and I'd guess if Smith Rowe knows we're in for him and wants the move then it's pretty simple for him too - keep refusing their contract offers.  They ain't going to risk keeping him against his will, and have him on the last year of his contract next summer.  Not if there's a decent enough offer on the table.

The lad's an Arsenal fan so he may be reluctant to move but his preferred position is as a 10, a position we need to fill. Add to that, if we assume Jack will leave in 12 months time, Smith Rowe with a full season under his belt at Villa Park could easily step in on the left.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2021, 12:27:32 PM
We don't assume that.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2021, 12:29:23 PM
IF
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Post by: algy on June 29, 2021, 12:41:13 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.
Fortunately both of those statements are true.  See Martinez, E.
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Post by: Vegas on June 29, 2021, 12:58:12 PM
Well none of those are going to cost what it will take to get Smith Rowe. is he really worth £35m plus?
Arguably it's not a huge amount different from when we paid north of £9m for Ashley Young.

I think Arsenal will end up folding on him - we just need to keep the pressure up and have a decent bid on the table.  I'd be hugely surprised if we'd have made a second bid without having an inkling that Smith Rowe was keen on the move, and I'd guess if Smith Rowe knows we're in for him and wants the move then it's pretty simple for him too - keep refusing their contract offers.  They ain't going to risk keeping him against his will, and have him on the last year of his contract next summer.  Not if there's a decent enough offer on the table.

I hope this is true, but I’ve got a horrible feeling on this one that we have been totally played by his agent, used just to secure a better deal. Hope I’m wrong.

Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.

Fair enough. I’m maybe not quite convinced that making public bids for prominent players below the level required to actually sign them, marks us out as serious players. But rather here than where we were three years ago.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 29, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
I''m not sure 32m is classed below the level required to buy him. He's played 20 games in his career. Arsenal  may value him higher but that's totally based on potential rather than reality.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2021, 01:08:11 PM
Yep, I agree with Dave W, that we are even bidding for him seriously shows that we mean business if it doesn't happen I still think we'll get a couple of signings on that sort of level.



Even if we are, so what? We're making serious overtures about one of the brightest talents in the country and not being laughed at. That's a statement of intent in itself.

I think we're serious and I wouldn't be at all surprised if we end up with him. Arsenal might make a lot of noise, but when it comes to paying for White from Brighton, the prospect of recouping a big chunk of that is not going to be sniffed at by those skint pricks.


Also this, they are supposedly after White and Locatelli, for me I'd snatch Locatelli from under their noses, then buy ESR to help them pay for White and then get Alvarez in. I'd be pretty happy with our summer if that was our lot, especially with no one else leaving. Might be a touch light at centre half though if Smith doesn't fancy Revan and/or Bridge as cover.

With ESR, Locatelli and Alvarez, I'd be more than 'pretty happy' I'd be ecstatic! Especially when Jack stays.

The goal has to be buy top players to convince Jack to stay. Buy top players so that if a Jack does eventually leave for a lot of money we still have top players at the club and we will buy more top players and carry on improving.

It’s all in buying “top players” if anyone needed any clarification.
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Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
For me this summer is all about options. I think if you asked Villa fans to pick the best 11 from the existing squad the majority of them would contain:

Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Luiz, McGinn, Buendia, Grealish and Watkins. That 10 pretty safe bets to be in 90% of what comes up. The 11th player would be a mix of Young, Nakamba, Traore, AEG and Sanson (with the odd weirdo adding Hause and playing 3 at the back). If we signed the 3 I named above (or 3 similar options) all 3 would be added to the mix of players that might be named but, more importantly, would reduce the amount of certainties that every would pick and would change where exactly a bunch of them get slotted in to the formation. It gives us a lot more versatility in both team and shape which is how we progress.
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 29, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
I don't think the buy players with PL experience will be an ongoing philosopy.  It is a reflection of the reality of buying players from abroad who can take 12-18 months to bed into our style of football/culture of the country.  To buy players who can fit straight into a system will allow us time to let our overseas purchases to adjust, rather than taking the sink or swim approach. 
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Post by: OCD on June 29, 2021, 01:54:55 PM
Interesting comments from ESR when asked about his favourite players - "Paul Pogba is definitely up there...So strong, so technically good. Jack Grealish, too. He's so good, man. I look up to him. The way he is with the ball. The way he scores, assists and creates, he's so good. Bukayo (Saka) tells me he's a great guy, too."

Smith Rowe wears his socks low, just like Grealish, because it 'feels like the shackles are off'.

He added: "It gives me that extra freedom, that openness. It's like, 'I'm here. I just want to play my own game and be free'. That's my little superstition. It helps me."
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2021, 02:04:54 PM
I''m not sure 32m is classed below the level required to buy him. He's played 20 games in his career. Arsenal  may value him higher but that's totally based on potential rather than reality.

He also had a good loan spell at Huddersfield in second part of 19/20 and also been at RB Leipzig although didn't play much due to injury so he's clearly very highly rated in the game.

Think in other eras he'd have made the England squad. Arsenal's results and goal output improved a fair bit when he became a starter so I imagine the tedious xG was pretty good from him last season.

I like our plan. Him, Grealish and Buendia interchanging behind Ollie would be very sexy to watch. Then got Traore and AEG off the bench on 60 minutes to add more directness to attack if needed.

That's how you improve a first 11 and squad.

It makes sense to plan ahead aswell. Get Buendia and ESR in the building now, used to club and how we play and if we come to point when Jack eventually leaves one day we already have two players of his ilk staring every week so transition won't be as brutal as it would be if it happened next week.

What you don't do is sell a quality striker for 32m, buy an incredibly average championship striker for 7m and then proclaim him the new Benteke when he scores on his debut so hopefully we'll learn from previous errors when we've attempted to replace key players as it's something we're not very good at, Ireland for Milner and N'zogbia for Young just as bad but at least they were relatively proven prem players at that point so Gestede still the worst for me as he wasn't.
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Post by: D.boy on June 29, 2021, 06:32:35 PM
Had to be him didn't it
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Post by: tomd2103 on June 29, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.

Yep.  Even if the bid is unsuccessful (which I still expect it to be) it is a statement to the likes of Arsenal that we have ambitions to overtake them.  I think it is a clever move whatever the outcome as just sews a seed that we are club with real ambition.
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Post by: Vegas on June 29, 2021, 10:31:16 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.

Yep.  Even if the bid is unsuccessful (which I still expect it to be) it is a statement to the likes of Arsenal that we have ambitions to overtake them.  I think it is a clever move whatever the outcome as just sews a seed that we are club with real ambition.

I don’t want to beat a dead horse on this, but is it though? If, say, Newcastle were to bid £50m for Grealish, is that a statement of intent? I’m just not getting this argument sorry. I actually more think the opposite, it might suggest we’re still small time, bidding for players and not getting them. I’m in the minority so I’ll shut up now!
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Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2021, 11:06:50 PM
No, Vegas, it's good to hear this view. Too many happy clappers make H&V a terribly hippy-happy place.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 29, 2021, 11:21:02 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.

Yep.  Even if the bid is unsuccessful (which I still expect it to be) it is a statement to the likes of Arsenal that we have ambitions to overtake them.  I think it is a clever move whatever the outcome as just sews a seed that we are club with real ambition.

I don’t want to beat a dead horse on this, but is it though? If, say, Newcastle were to bid £50m for Grealish, is that a statement of intent? I’m just not getting this argument sorry. I actually more think the opposite, it might suggest we’re still small time, bidding for players and not getting them. I’m in the minority so I’ll shut up now!

I really don't get your point to be honest. Just what do you think a 20 yr old with 20 PL games under his belt at a mid-table side is worth? By your Grealish comparison we're bidding half of what he's worth?  60m?! He's not bloody Rooney.
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Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2021, 07:19:55 AM
We're not signing this fella at anything like the money Arsenal would want, even if they agreed to let him go. Word is he's agreed a new contract anyway.
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Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2021, 07:47:24 AM
I've never thought we would sign him.  It's been more of a fishing expedition to establish we are ambitious with our transfer targets and wind up a few Tarquins.
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Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2021, 12:07:18 PM
Worst case scenario with Smith Rowe is that Arsenal, a potential rival, have to offer him more money than they were intending to, so have less money to spend elsewhere. Can't really see the downside.

Yep.

We mean business, and now everyone can see it. Arsenal would be absolutely stupid or really desperate to let Smith-Rowe go, the fanbase would never forgive them.

Yep.  Even if the bid is unsuccessful (which I still expect it to be) it is a statement to the likes of Arsenal that we have ambitions to overtake them.  I think it is a clever move whatever the outcome as just sews a seed that we are club with real ambition.

I don’t want to beat a dead horse on this, but is it though? If, say, Newcastle were to bid £50m for Grealish, is that a statement of intent? I’m just not getting this argument sorry. I actually more think the opposite, it might suggest we’re still small time, bidding for players and not getting them. I’m in the minority so I’ll shut up now!


I don't think it would be the same, because Newcastle have Mike Ashley and barely a pot to piss in. A bid by them WOULD look like a stunt. The media are only now - just - coming to realise that our owners are the real deal, have as much money as anyone in world football (barring possibly Man City and PSG's owners), and are intent on spending whatever is necessary to get to the top.  THAT is the important missing bit of context.

Sure, lots of fans and media will think nothing of us bidding for ESR. I happen to think we won't get get him because Arsenal won't want him to go. However, more and more fans of other clubs (at least that I speak to), seem to realise we are club that is now going places.  One Liverpool fan I watched the England game with last night had recently found out how much our owners were worth and started moaning we are going to become another Chelsea and Man City (I don't think we will, not the way they did it, but it was interesting that this is the creeping perception amongst opposition fans).

We will keep buying good players, and each time we do, other fans and journalists will continue taking us a little bit more seriously.

Put it this way, any fan of a club outside the champions league places who understands our owners, our financial strength, and our plans, would be genuinely worried if we came in for one of their players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 30, 2021, 01:49:55 PM
I've never thought we would sign him.  It's been more of a fishing expedition to establish we are ambitious with our transfer targets and wind up a few Tarquins.

IMHO it is to smoke out Southampton for JWP
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Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2021, 01:59:46 PM
According to the meaning evil, the font of all knowledge, because clubs know we have an extra £100 million to spend they are trying to fleece us.  Of course if that was the case we would just let the transfer window run down until they get desperate enough to sell because we know they haven’t got any money. What a pity Jim White no longer works for sky. I can just imagine 10:59:59 him bellowing out on transfer deadline day: ‘now just hold on a minute news from Villa Park’.
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Post by: enigma on June 30, 2021, 04:36:06 PM
I''m not sure 32m is classed below the level required to buy him. He's played 20 games in his career. Arsenal  may value him higher but that's totally based on potential rather than reality.
I'd say it's well below. It's all about what he's worth to them. They'd be crucified if they let one of their brightest talents go for that amount. If they let it be known they're willing to sell they'd have plenty of offers far above that amount and they know it.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 30, 2021, 04:47:08 PM
Who from?
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Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2021, 04:47:36 PM
I''m not sure 32m is classed below the level required to buy him. He's played 20 games in his career. Arsenal  may value him higher but that's totally based on potential rather than reality.
I'd say it's well below. It's all about what he's worth to them. They'd be crucified if they let one of their brightest talents go for that amount. If they let it be known they're willing to sell they'd have plenty of offers far above that amount and they know it.
Grauniad reporting that the Arse have a Portuguese left back and Belgian midfielder joining them; deals agreed.
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Post by: oldtimernow on June 30, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
According to the meaning evil, the font of all knowledge, because clubs know we have an extra £100 million to spend they are trying to fleece us.  Of course if that was the case we would just let the transfer window run down until they get desperate enough to sell because we know they haven’t got any money. What a pity Jim White no longer works for sky. I can just imagine 10:59:59 him bellowing out on transfer deadline day: ‘now just hold on a minute news from Villa Park’.



They've just bought a new fax machine!!!....
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2021, 07:19:55 PM
I''m not sure 32m is classed below the level required to buy him. He's played 20 games in his career. Arsenal  may value him higher but that's totally based on potential rather than reality.
I'd say it's well below. It's all about what he's worth to them. They'd be crucified if they let one of their brightest talents go for that amount. If they let it be known they're willing to sell they'd have plenty of offers far above that amount and they know it.
Grauniad reporting that the Arse have a Portuguese left back and Belgian midfielder joining them; deals agreed.

Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 08:00:45 PM
The Tarquins are furious as the last thing needed with their limited budget is another LB. TS spouting bollocks that they have £200m to spend.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 30, 2021, 08:26:52 PM
#announcetammy

Someone had to do it 🥵
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Post by: andyh on June 30, 2021, 08:29:28 PM
NOT impressed with the Winks murmurings.
Let’s hope that’s all they are.
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 30, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
#announcetammy

Someone had to do it 🥵

🙏🙏🙏

As an aside I wonder if Nuno has got Daniel Levy to give him some money to spend, and so try and keep Haary Kane at Spurs?
Bad news for us re Jack if Kane stays.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
I don’t believe the Winks rumours but I’m also not going to judge any signings based exclusively on their last club. If we’d signed Lingard in January most would have seen that as a poor decision. He was superb in a different system with a different manager. We’ve pretty much seen every player who we’ve paid for in the summer do well. January is a crap shoot generally so for it will be a wait and see for whoever we bring in.
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Post by: andyh on June 30, 2021, 08:49:49 PM
I agree TV, Smith has bucket loads of credit in the bank regarding transfers and we should support his judgement.

But, Harry bloody Winks.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2021, 08:50:43 PM
I don’t believe the Winks rumours but I’m also not going to judge any signings based exclusively on their last club.

Is anyone doing that, though? He's at Spurs, it's not like he plays for Drogheda.

My only problem with Winks is that he's shit.
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Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2021, 08:52:50 PM
And he has a stupid name.
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Post by: johnny from donny on June 30, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
I don’t believe the Winks rumours but I’m also not going to judge any signings based exclusively on their last club.

Is anyone doing that, though? He's at Spurs, it's not like he plays for Drogheda.

My only problem with Winks is that he's shit.

I think the next 2 sentences in TV's post are important for context. Lingard was at Manchester United  (not Drogheda) but the manager didn't rate/didn't know how to use him.
That said,  I don't want Winks either.  I don't think he's better than what we already have.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 08:57:43 PM
I don’t believe the Winks rumours but I’m also not going to judge any signings based exclusively on their last club.

Is anyone doing that, though? He's at Spurs, it's not like he plays for Drogheda.

My only problem with Winks is that he's shit.

Well they would judge him based on what they saw at Spurs. So yes. Just like people judged Lingard while at Man U.

I don’t rate him. I would hope that there are better targets we are after that the press don’t know about. After all we were about to sign Dwight McNeill a month ago for £40m. But I’m also saying I don’t know what he’d be like not playing at Spurs and playing somewhere else. He might not be the player we are basing all of our opinions on
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 30, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
To be fair to him, Higher State of Consciousness was a proper banger.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on June 30, 2021, 09:02:21 PM
Well I wonder if he was at the belfry because he was having talks... I'll reserve judgement until he's kicked a ball for us if it's true. South of 20 mil and it would be a good deal I guess
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Post by: FatSam on June 30, 2021, 09:10:19 PM
To be fair to him, Higher State of Consciousness was a proper banger.
Like
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Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2021, 09:11:01 PM
To be fair to him, Higher State of Consciousness was a proper banger.

Absolutely.

Harry Winks does have the bang of a Dean Smith player about him (I know, I know, Dean "doesn't" sign the players).
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Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
To be fair to him, Higher State of Consciousness was a proper banger.

Absolutely.

Harry Winks does have the bang of a Dean Smith player about him (I know, I know, Dean "doesn't" sign the players).

12 months with us and Kalvin Phillips would never get another England cap.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 30, 2021, 09:14:24 PM
To be fair to him, Higher State of Consciousness was a proper banger.

Absolutely.

Harry Winks does have the bang of a Dean Smith player about him (I know, I know, Dean "doesn't" sign the players).


where would we play him though?
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Post by: dave shelley on June 30, 2021, 09:19:05 PM
If there is any truth in this rumour regarding Winks it's hardly the kind of signing that will convice Jack Grealish to think that the club is thinking big in their attempt to keep him.
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Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2021, 09:19:37 PM
Seems like I'm in the minority, but I actually quite like Harry Winks as a player. He's pretty good at the job he does, breaking things up, keeping the ball and moving it quickly to the better players around him.  I'd worry about who he would play instead of, but maybe it's time to stop thinking that way and start thinking about it being a squad game and having options on the bench that don't weaken the starting 11 at all.  I'm guessing with Hojberg at Spurs now he's seen as surplus to requirements there?  I think we can do better if we're buying another central midfielder (Ward-Prowse would be my pick), but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed to see him sign.
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Post by: OCD on June 30, 2021, 09:22:32 PM
Smells of an agent trying to get a move for his client.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 09:23:37 PM
He’s also 25 so his best years in front of him. He’s not going to cost a fortune. He seems to play the Douglas Luiz role in front of the back four, good range of passing. We will lose Douglas for the Olympics so he won’t be available for the start of the season, and Nakamba for African Cup of Nations in January.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 09:26:55 PM
If there is any truth in this rumour regarding Winks it's hardly the kind of signing that will convice Jack Grealish to think that the club is thinking big in their attempt to keep him.

I don’t know Dave. Whether we agree with it or not he’s an England international. We are not in the market for players who are at the top of the game so in order to progress buying astutely in who might be legitimately available isn’t the worst way to go. I think that’s what we did with Ollie last year and this summer Buendia. Convincing Jack to stay won’t just happen with a flashy signing and I’d rather we built with him in mind but an eye to the future should he decide to go.
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Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
If there is any truth in this rumour regarding Winks it's hardly the kind of signing that will convice Jack Grealish to think that the club is thinking big in their attempt to keep him.

Maybe, maybe not, but it feels about right given where we are in our development. He's played International football, he's played Champions League football, he's used to competing at the top end of the league, he's 25, and English. 

I still think we are probably a year at least from signing players who good enough to 'expect' champions league football, so he's in that bracket of players who are gettable given where we are today.  He's not going to be someone who sells a lot of shirts, or who add thousands to the season ticket waiting list, but I think he'd strengthen the squad, particularly if Hourihane is going. He'd be competing with (and probably replacing) Nakamba I suspect.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on June 30, 2021, 09:39:30 PM
He's shit. An Ashley Westwood clone. I bet he can point like a champ.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2021, 09:40:59 PM
When did we become too good to have a 25 year old England international as a squad player?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2021, 09:41:34 PM
When did we become too good to have a 25 year old England international as a squad player?

That’s what I’m wondering too.
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Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
I guess we've really moved on as a club when we can easily dismiss 25-year-old England Internationals with Champions League experience as "shit".
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 30, 2021, 09:50:36 PM
He's shit. An Ashley Westwood clone. I bet he can point like a champ.

Exactly what I think of him. In fact, I would say a poor man's Westwood
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2021, 09:51:33 PM
When did we become too good to have a 25 year old England international as a squad player?

He's already a Squad player at Spurs and would probably get a fair amount of games for them next season given they'll be playing 3-5-2.

Interesting we seem to be after so many of these types of midfielder....when we already have plenty of continuity 8 types at the club already...I mean McGinn, Sanson and Luiz plays ahead of a DM for Brazil so there's three who'll all be expecting to be starting every week next season. Also got Ramsey in the mix although suspect he's going to be loaned out.

Interesting Billy Gilmour signing on loan for Norwich, surprised we didn't offer Ramsey to them when signing Buendia as feels like that sort of loan move could potentially kick him on a bit.

Would've thought either an excellent DM or goalscoring number 10 to replace Barkley would be key targets but guess latter is Smith Rowe.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2021, 09:54:43 PM
He’s also 25 so his best years in front of him. He’s not going to cost a fortune. He seems to play the Douglas Luiz role in front of the back four, good range of passing. We will lose Douglas for the Olympics so he won’t be available for the start of the season, and Nakamba for African Cup of Nations in January.

Valid points.  We do need cover, or better still a starter, for DM.
I’m not sure we should be shopping for ‘cover’ players from the Big 6 though.  I just feel that they will see it as a step down if they’re not picked every week. 
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Post by: Dave on June 30, 2021, 09:56:00 PM
I guess we've really moved on as a club when we can easily dismiss 25-year-old England Internationals with Champions League experience as "shit".

Then again, lots of people said that about Tom Cleverley who ticks all those boxes, at a time when we were nothing like as good as we are now.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2021, 09:57:55 PM
Is Winks really a DM, Hojiberg played that role for Spurs last season? I just see Winks as same position as Ward Prowse. And Sanson, McGinn, Ramsey and even Luiz.
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Post by: rob_bridge on June 30, 2021, 10:03:21 PM
I don’t believe the Winks rumours but I’m also not going to judge any signings based exclusively on their last club.

Is anyone doing that, though? He's at Spurs, it's not like he plays for Drogheda.

My only problem with Winks is that he's shit.

Well they would judge him based on what they saw at Spurs. So yes. Just like people judged Lingard while at Man U.

I don’t rate him. I would hope that there are better targets we are after that the press don’t know about. After all we were about to sign Dwight McNeill a month ago for £40m. But I’m also saying I don’t know what he’d be like not playing at Spurs and playing somewhere else. He might not be the player we are basing all of our opinions on

He fits the profile - Spuds way under achieved last season but wouldn't place all blame on him. A good coach would make him a much better player IMO
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 30, 2021, 10:03:42 PM
Is Winks really a DM, Hojiberg played that role for Spurs last season? I just see Winks as same position as Ward Prowse. And Sanson, McGinn, Ramsey and even Luiz.

I think that is potentially his problem, a jack of all trades but master of none.  Not imposing enough to be a DM, lacks the tricks to be an 10 and hasn’t the stamina to make an impact box-to-box.
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Post by: Damo70 on June 30, 2021, 10:09:08 PM
Winks isn't exactly going to make season ticket sales soar but he is a decent Premier League player and is an ideal age for a signing on a decent length contract. Buying players from Arsenal and Spurs shows the ambition we have these days.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2021, 10:12:17 PM
Not really, we signed Alan Hutton and Stuart Taylor when we were rubbish.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2021, 10:16:27 PM
Is Winks really a DM, Hojiberg played that role for Spurs last season? I just see Winks as same position as Ward Prowse. And Sanson, McGinn, Ramsey and even Luiz.

I think that is potentially his problem, a jack of all trades but master of none.  Not imposing enough to be a DM, lacks the tricks to be an 10 and hasn’t the stamina to make an impact box-to-box.

I've seen a few saying we're trying to model Liverpool in that they play three midfielders of similar profile all with high energy and who can press manically.

Little difference there is their front 3 tend to average around 50 league goals a season so would be big pressure on Ollie to hit 20 + and Jack or another wide player to get 15 +.

Harry Winks scored his first premier league goal in November 2016. He's scored once since.

If Winks isn't scoring in our midfield, nor Doug or Nakamba or McGinn, who is?
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Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2021, 10:23:18 PM
Winks would be a no for me, not a bad player but as others have said he's too similar to the midfielders we have.
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Post by: aj2k77 on June 30, 2021, 10:32:07 PM
Winks is crap. So what if he's played for England. So has Michael Ricketts.
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Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2021, 10:50:36 PM
I thinks Winks is the type of player we have to get used to signing as this is where we are right now as a club.  If it's true, and I don't think it is, then he will have something to prove. Better than Ward-Prowse? Certainly not at set pieces.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2021, 11:31:11 PM
Winks is the sort of player Everton spend £35m on and everyone forgets.
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Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2021, 11:36:30 PM
Yeah, a player who we all slag mercilessly on the "Other Football" thread if he's playing. I want Sanson to show the way, not this winker.
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Post by: Drummond on June 30, 2021, 11:59:29 PM
Lowton Nd Westwood left us, we thought they were shit and they've gone on to play solid careers in the Premier League, who's have thought it?

Winks doesn't make me get excited at all, however he has played International and Champs League football and knows his way around a pitch. You wonder whether he'd actually look much better in our midfield. Given our recent transfer deals, I wouldn't be complaining. He's young, hungry and could hit the ground running with room to improve.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2021, 12:01:04 AM
Winks is the sort of player Everton spend £35m on and everyone forgets.

That made me laugh more than it should. As I've quoted before, it still stands strong; 'Everton, 35 years in transition'.
Let's not go there.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2021, 02:36:01 AM
Winks is the sort of player Everton spend £35m on and everyone forgets.


If we spend £35m on him we would be laughed at too. But in PL terms if he came for £20m, then is it really that bad? I watched some highlights of him (I know, I know) but he looks perfectly good enough for us at the moment. And playing for that full fuck Mourinho everyone at some point looks utter shit.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on July 01, 2021, 05:42:09 AM
I think Winks is a technically solid player, better than some on here give him credit for. However as stated by other posters I'm not sure he's any better than what we have already who play defensive midfield. His old Spurs manager Pochetino did rate Winks very highly but again like someone said, he's James Ward Prowse without the dead ball ability.
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Post by: algy on July 01, 2021, 06:42:26 AM
Manchester Evening News is talking about us signing Axel Tuanzebe on loan.

Seems a sensible move to me, if there's some kind of option to buy in there. Nice, low budget way to fill out the defence now that Engels has landed in Antwerp.
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Post by: frank black on July 01, 2021, 06:51:28 AM
I think Winks is a technically solid player, better than some on here give him credit for. However as stated by other posters I'm not sure he's any better than what we have already who play defensive midfield. His old Spurs manager Pochetino did rate Winks very highly but again like someone said, he's James Ward Prowse without the dead ball ability.

And without the tackling
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Post by: andyh on July 01, 2021, 07:05:49 AM
JWP for £45m
The Argentinian Gary Shaw for £15m
Axel on loan
Together with Buendia and Young.

Jobs a good ‘un.
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Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2021, 07:11:43 AM
Seems like I'm in the minority, but I actually quite like Harry Winks as a player. He's pretty good at the job he does, breaking things up, keeping the ball and moving it quickly to the better players around him...
You just described Luiz there.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 01, 2021, 07:21:25 AM
I genuinely just woke up from a really realistic dream about Messi signing for Villa.

I shouldn’t read headlines before bed.

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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2021, 07:47:57 AM
I genuinely just woke up from a really realistic dream about Messi signing for Villa.

I shouldn’t read headlines before bed.

He’s now a free agent so I can’t think of a good reason why he wouldn’t join us!!!
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Post by: Risso on July 01, 2021, 07:48:48 AM
Winks would add precisely nothing to the squad. If we're after a central midfielder we need a really good defensive one, and he isn't that. He's just a slightly upgraded Ashley Westwood, neat and tidy with no real stand out parts to his game.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 01, 2021, 07:56:23 AM
Winks is an odd one. Bit of an overpriced non-entity, Really struggling to work out who he's good enough to replace in our first XI. Looking at the Spurtz forum, they're all for it. Mind, their reaction to Nuno hints they still think they're Real Madrid or something. Maybe a little underwhelming as your new manager but a poll has over 2 thirds not wanting him. Most club's fans would at least rally round a new manager,
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Post by: Ads on July 01, 2021, 08:01:29 AM
Winks isn't a bad player. He's not a good player either. He's not what our midfield or squad needs to elevate itself.

I can't see us being in for him. He would be a back up for Dpugie and what would be the point at 25?
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Post by: London Villan on July 01, 2021, 08:06:26 AM
Part of what we are doing is building a squad though. Winks (if true) would come in as a squad player, similar to Young. Start less than 10 games and have 15-20 sub appearances.

He definitely isnt the midfield lynchpin we need.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 01, 2021, 08:25:29 AM
Part of what we are doing is building a squad though. Winks (if true) would come in as a squad player, similar to Young. Start less than 10 games and have 15-20 sub appearances.

He definitely isnt the midfield lynchpin we need.

Should we be buying 35m squad players at this stage? Surely the best option is to buy 1st team players and relegate the current 1st teamer to the squad rather than going down the MON route.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2021, 08:30:01 AM
If we're looking at Winks and JWP, I'm wondering if Smith doesn't see us playing with an imposing out and out DM that a lot of us have been hoping for.

I think JWP is an excellent player, but I see him more in a box to box McGinn type role than as a DM.  I also think Doug would probably be best in that role too.

As for Winks, it seems an odd one to me and I don't see how he improves us.
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Post by: London Villan on July 01, 2021, 08:30:30 AM
We need the squad to include 18-20 first team quality players. Winks was a key part of a Spurs team that came close to winning the league. Is he massively better than SJM or Doug, nope, but i can understand the interest in that type of player.

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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2021, 08:49:08 AM
We are stacked with players of decent ability in central midfield. McGinn, Luiz, Sanson, Marvelous, Ramsey. Maybe Chukwuemeka. Hourihane at a push, though I suspect he'll be sold or loaned again. We don't need squad depth there. We need either a world class player in that position who is going to be better than them, or someone who offers something they don't, like JWP with his set piece prowess. I'm not sure that Winks offers either so don't see the point in signing him.

Would be fairly unimpressed with Tuanzebe, too. Unless they think there is a Youth Cup star who can be competing for a place at centre half soon, and he's just a stopgap, I'd rather we looked to sign the best young star we can get in that position, rather than someone who is fairly average and injury prone.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
No point in selling Hourihane and buying Winks.
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Post by: WassallVillain on July 01, 2021, 09:20:22 AM
Seems like I'm in the minority, but I actually quite like Harry Winks as a player. He's pretty good at the job he does, breaking things up, keeping the ball and moving it quickly to the better players around him.  I'd worry about who he would play instead of, but maybe it's time to stop thinking that way and start thinking about it being a squad game and having options on the bench that don't weaken the starting 11 at all.  I'm guessing with Hojberg at Spurs now he's seen as surplus to requirements there?  I think we can do better if we're buying another central midfielder (Ward-Prowse would be my pick), but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed to see him sign.
I like Harry Winks too. He lost his way a little under Mourinho, most do, but I thought there was a bit of Gareth Barry about him when he first broke through. Wouldn’t be the worst bit of business.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 01, 2021, 09:21:53 AM
Would be fairly unimpressed with Tuanzebe, too. Unless they think there is a Youth Cup star who can be competing for a place at centre half soon, and he's just a stopgap, I'd rather we looked to sign the best young star we can get in that position, rather than someone who is fairly average and injury prone.
I see him as potentially an astute bit of business, as long as the price is right.  We're effectively looking for a 3rd or 4th choice centre back at a team that isn't in Europe.  We aren't going to be offering anyone a huge amount of games, particularly as the back 4 isn't likely to change much.  Next season we hopefully will be in Europe, so a 4th choice centre back will get a decent number of games under their belt.

If we get Tuanzebe on loan and he turns out to be decent, sign him permanently.  If we get him and he's injury prone/average, then we send him back knowing that we're in a better position to bring someone in as they'll be getting 10-20 games a season comfortably even as 4th choice.  If he's fairly cheap, we can spend more money on players who will make more of an impact than a backup defender.  And lastly, we know that he'll settle and fit in, so he's fairly low risk in that area.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on July 01, 2021, 09:31:36 AM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy
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Post by: algy on July 01, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy
Offer them £2m plus Conor Hourihane?
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 01, 2021, 09:36:58 AM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy

The resultant reponse to Mr Levy involves some or all of the following words 'Yourself', 'Go' and 'Fuck'
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Post by: Demitri_C on July 01, 2021, 09:58:06 AM
#announcetammy

Someone had to do it 🥵

🙏🙏🙏

As an aside I wonder if Nuno has got Daniel Levy to give him some money to spend, and so try and keep Haary Kane at Spurs?
Bad news for us re Jack if Kane stays.

Chelsea rarely do business with spurs. So fingers crossed the paths open for us
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Post by: Drummond on July 01, 2021, 09:59:47 AM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy

Hahaha
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Post by: itbrvilla on July 01, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
Can we not get Emi² to have a word with a now free agent magician...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2021, 10:09:11 AM
If we're looking at Winks and JWP, I'm wondering if Smith doesn't see us playing with an imposing out and out DM that a lot of us have been hoping for.

I think JWP is an excellent player, but I see him more in a box to box McGinn type role than as a DM.  I also think Doug would probably be best in that role too.

As for Winks, it seems an odd one to me and I don't see how he improves us.
Yes, Chris. Agreed.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2021, 10:11:32 AM
I always thought Winks looked a good player, who unsurprisingly lost his way under Mourinho.
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Post by: oldtimernow on July 01, 2021, 10:15:10 AM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy
Offer them £2m plus Conor Hourihane?

that's about right
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Post by: Ads on July 01, 2021, 10:16:50 AM
Still in for ESR and not put off by the rejection of the previous £30m bid.  - Mirror
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2021, 10:23:05 AM
This story seems odd to me - unless we’ve received some sort of encouragement.
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Post by: Demitri_C on July 01, 2021, 10:26:27 AM
Could be BS but apparently in advanced talks with Chelsea for tammy.

If we sign tamny i think grealish is going nowhere this summer.  Its the kind of signing that would excite him



(https://i.ibb.co/5M8N0ZQ/20210701-102434.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5M8N0ZQ)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 01, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
Need to hand Arteta an ultimatum. One final offer and tell them if not, we'll spend the money on Winks. Improving Tottenham's squad overnight and giving them 50m for other players may well spook Arsenal.
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Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2021, 10:29:39 AM
I hope we are still chasing JWP - I think he would be a really good fit for us, along with Tammy and / or Alvarez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2021, 10:35:08 AM
Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.

Its a sad state of affairs for the board when mention of a bloke who shares his name with a crap 70s band doesn't kick off 3 pages of puns.
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Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2021, 10:39:24 AM
Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.

Its a sad state of affairs for the board when mention of a bloke who shares his name with a crap 70s band doesn't kick off 3 pages of puns.

Indeed, it only takes a minute as well.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 01, 2021, 10:59:31 AM
Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.

Its a sad state of affairs for the board when mention of a bloke who shares his name with a crap 70s band doesn't kick off 3 pages of puns.
Woah woah woah there.Crap 70s band? Seminal group of brothers that packed dance floors and pushed the disco sound from funk roots.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.

Its a sad state of affairs for the board when mention of a bloke who shares his name with a crap 70s band doesn't kick off 3 pages of puns.
Woah woah woah there.Crap 70s band? Seminal group of brothers that packed dance floors and pushed the disco sound from funk roots.

Yes, I thought that was a bit harsh to say the least.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 01, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Back in the 80's, me and a mate found a Tavares tape dumped at the back of a charity shop. Even they didn't want it although I like that Whodunnit? one for its cheesy qualities.
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Post by: PeterWithe on July 01, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
Nuno Tavares, an unwanted squad filler from Benfica for 8m euros + 2m add-ons. Plenty here are offering to drive him to the Emirates.

Its a sad state of affairs for the board when mention of a bloke who shares his name with a crap 70s band doesn't kick off 3 pages of puns.
Woah woah woah there.Crap 70s band? Seminal group of brothers that packed dance floors and pushed the disco sound from funk roots.

Unwanted squad fillers. The Harry Winks of platform shoes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on July 01, 2021, 11:23:53 AM
Declan Rice turned down a couple of contract offers at Wet Spam, wants to be told of any offers........
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Post by: Risso on July 01, 2021, 11:26:00 AM
He's just a shit Harry Winks....
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 01, 2021, 11:27:10 AM
He's decent Rice, but would be terrible value. If you can't get a foreign version of him for half the price then you need to sack your scouts
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 01, 2021, 11:29:20 AM
The thing I like most about him is the joke someone made on the Graun pod the other day about the midfield matchup being 'Mueller-Rice'. Other than that, yeah fine, but I'm not blown away.
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Post by: algy on July 01, 2021, 11:33:05 AM
Declan Rice turned down a couple of contract offers at Wet Spam, wants to be told of any offers........
I'll just settle for ESR + JWP + Tammy + Argentinian Gary Shaw + Messi for a season to help him settle + Tuanzebe on loan please
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Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2021, 11:33:37 AM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2021, 11:38:18 AM
Declan Rice turned down a couple of contract offers at Wet Spam, wants to be told of any offers........
I'll just settle for ESR + JWP + Tammy + Argentinian Gary Shaw + Messi for a season to help him settle + Tuanzebe on loan please

I really like the look of Pape Sarr (sp?)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on July 01, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Declan Rice turned down a couple of contract offers at Wet Spam, wants to be told of any offers........
I'll just settle for ESR + JWP + Tammy + Argentinian Gary Shaw + Messi for a season to help him settle + Tuanzebe on loan please

I really like the look of Pape Sarr (sp?)

Yep, him and alvarez are the 2 most interesting links from the last month or so, £30-40m on that pair would be money well spent I think.
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Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
Dele Alli anyone?
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Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2021, 11:47:53 AM
Dele Alli anyone?

I rate him. He just needs to regain the confidence he lost under Mourinho.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2021, 11:50:16 AM
Alvarez , sarr and Ward Prowse and then I can come off the transfer thread -  that would make my summer
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 01, 2021, 12:03:03 PM
Wonder if Messi will re-sign at Barcelona?

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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
What's going on with Alvarez? Seems to have gone a bit quiet, that one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Wonder if Messi will re-sign at Barcelona?

Seems virtually a done deal by all accounts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 01, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
Wonder if Messi will re-sign at Barcelona?

Seems virtually a done deal by all accounts.
Where have we heard that before?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2021, 12:21:33 PM
No point in selling Hourihane and buying Winks.

I like Hourihane, but Winks is absolutely an upgrade on him in. I also think Smith and our other coaches would improve him, like they have practically every player that has rocked up at Villa park recently.

I don't think he would represent the best use of £50m, but I doubt we would be prepared to pay more than somewhere in the range 0f £20-25m in any event.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

Would certainly be a statement signing. Good player gone off the boil, depends if he can be reinvigorated (like Lingard was last season at West Ham) or he ends up like Barkley did for us. I'd be excited if we signed him though.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 01, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Messi on a free sounds good. It'd be worth the wages to keep Jack. Jack would know the owners mean business then. It'd help with our push into the top 1 as well 😉
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

Before Winks, definitely. Still not sure, though.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 01, 2021, 12:36:16 PM
Declan Rice turned down a couple of contract offers at Wet Spam, wants to be told of any offers........
Wants Chelsea innit to play with his bestie Mase.....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 01, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

If Daniel Levy wants £50m for Winks, how much is he going to demand for Dele Alli?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on July 01, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

I rate him. He just needs to regain the confidence he lost under Mourinho.

Barkley 2.0
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2021, 01:04:27 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

If Daniel Levy wants £50m for Winks, how much is he going to demand for Dele Alli?

£50-60m apparently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 01, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

I rate him. He just needs to regain the confidence he lost under Mourinho.

Barkley 2.0

Yep. I’d rather see some of the youth getting a chance. And,he’s no better than Ramsey these days.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2021, 01:06:07 PM
Something doesn't feel right about us funding Spurs' transfer spending in exchange for average or damaged players, and I'm sure we won't.
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Post by: Goldenballs on July 01, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
Winks is shit.
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Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2021, 01:23:31 PM
What's going on with Alvarez? Seems to have gone a bit quiet, that one.

Last week his agent was reportedly on the train from Amsterdam to Birmingham (and out to Harrow again. Trying to get that feeling I had in 1972).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 01, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

If Daniel Levy wants £50m for Winks, how much is he going to demand for Dele Alli?

£50-60m apparently.

I think at the prices bandied about, Levy won't be selling either of those players this summer.
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Post by: OCD on July 01, 2021, 01:28:38 PM
The whole ESR thing feels like Mrs Doyle from Father Ted is in charge of transfer negotiations.

Here's some money... are you sure you don't want any? Aw go on, you'll have some. Go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on GO ON!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2021, 01:31:51 PM
PLEASE DO NOT SIGN ANY SPURSY PLAYERS other than Kane.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
I'd happily take Lucas Moura off their hands.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2021, 01:38:41 PM
And Son
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 01, 2021, 01:41:21 PM
Sancho for Dortmund (great team) last season - 8 goals, 11 assists. Price £73 million.

Pereira for West Brom (enough said) - 11 goals, 6 assists. £35 million? Bargain IMO.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2021, 01:44:54 PM
I’d definitely take Pereira. He did that with them. He could be really good with a better side.
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Post by: exigo on July 01, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Some bloke called Messi is a free agent today. That'd be a statement signing, coming off the bench for Jack on 65 minutes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
I’d definitely take Pereira. He did that with them. He could be really good with a better side.

In the hole?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
I hope we are still chasing JWP - I think he would be a really good fit for us, along with Tammy and / or Alvarez.
I like JWP a lot.  But where do you see him fitting in?  Do you think he'd be content with a purely DM role or do you see him competing with MGinn, Luiz, Sanson & Ramsey for a more box to box role?
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 01, 2021, 02:09:11 PM
Sancho for Dortmund (great team) last season - 8 goals, 11 assists. Price £73 million.

Pereira for West Brom (enough said) - 11 goals, 6 assists. £35 million? Bargain IMO.

I'd snap him up immediately, mate. Would be a great signing!
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 01, 2021, 02:12:18 PM
He's decent Rice, but would be terrible value. If you can't get a foreign version of him for half the price then you need to sack your scouts
Rice is an excellent player.  It's easy to say get a cheap version, but there's not many in the PL as good as him in the role he plays so it can't be that easy or everybody would do it.  I think a player like him would make a huge difference to our team.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 01, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
Winks will cost us £50 million according to Levy

London prices are ridiculous
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 01, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
After West Ham's season last year I can't see any of the Cock 'er knees jumping ship.   Winks might be an order of preference thing:
1: JWP
2: ESR
3: Tinky Winky.

If that's true I find it reassuring that we aren't chucking all of our eggs into one basket, and it is a much more positive transfer policy than we have seen at VP...well, ever!
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Post by: dicedlam on July 01, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

I rate him. He just needs to regain the confidence he lost under Mourinho.

Barkley 2.0

Another 'Try before you Buy' for me.

No way should we part with any transfer fee.
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Post by: Tayls_7 on July 01, 2021, 03:02:56 PM
Don't buy Spuds players,  especially mediocre ones. Don't give them or that arse Levy a single penny.  Ever.
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Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2021, 03:06:36 PM
Don't buy Spuds players,  especially mediocre ones. Don't give them or that arse Levy a single penny.  Ever.

Despite them having a few players I rate this is a policy I'd be largely in favour of, I'd add Man Utd as well, in the past we've done ok but both clubs are run by c**ts that we should avoid doing business with whenever possible.
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Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 03:24:36 PM
Don't buy Spuds players,  especially mediocre ones. Don't give them or that arse Levy a single penny.  Ever.

I agree. It’s been interesting to watch their chaotic approach to finding a new manager and suspect Levy has been the problem as prospective managers have been aware of his reputation so have demanded things that he, in his absolute best tight-fisted way, cannot agree to.  He was always going to get found out sooner or later.  The interesting one will be Kane as no doubt City have already marked Levy’s card.

Every club should refuse to do business with him
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Post by: Risso on July 01, 2021, 03:24:49 PM
McGrath was obviously the best bit of business we've ever done Paul. Technically, did Bosnich come from them? Djemba-Djemba was a disaster, but Tuanzebe did OK on loan. Who else is there, Ronny Johnsen?

If I could choose one player from them I'd go for Greenwood. If he stops being a div I think he'll be exceptional.
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Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
McGrath was obviously the best bit of business we've ever done Paul. Technically, did Bosnich come from them? Djemba-Djemba was a disaster, but Tuanzebe did OK on loan. Who else is there, Ronny Johnsen?

If I could choose one player from them I'd go for Greenwood. If he stops being a div I think he'll be exceptional.


Now an offer for him would set the hares running! 😁
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 01, 2021, 03:30:43 PM
JWP, Perreira, Tammy and Axel on loan to buy and that would be some window.
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Post by: algy on July 01, 2021, 03:32:56 PM
McGrath was obviously the best bit of business we've ever done Paul. Technically, did Bosnich come from them? Djemba-Djemba was a disaster, but Tuanzebe did OK on loan. Who else is there, Ronny Johnsen?

If I could choose one player from them I'd go for Greenwood. If he stops being a div I think he'll be exceptional.
Sort of, in a way.  He was at Manchester United, but his student visa expired so he had to go back to Australia.  He played for Sydney Croatia for about 6 months, got a new visa, and rocked up at Villa Park.

We also signed Les Sealey from them in 1991.
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Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
McGrath was obviously the best bit of business we've ever done Paul. Technically, did Bosnich come from them? Djemba-Djemba was a disaster, but Tuanzebe did OK on loan. Who else is there, Ronny Johnsen?

If I could choose one player from them I'd go for Greenwood. If he stops being a div I think he'll be exceptional.


As I said, we've done ok in the past, collectively - Mcgrath was brilliant, Johnson was ok, Tuanzebe was ok when he was fit, Cleverley was poor but had a few decent games, the twins are one of the worst signings we've ever made - I'd say that's an ok set but not much more.

Bosnich, I think, went back to Autralia for a year or 2 and we signed him from there.

The point really though, as I said, is that the club is run by twats, even above and beyond the twats at the other 'big 6' (except spurs obviously).

Greenwood might turn out quality but there's no chance I'd sign him right now, they'd want a huge fee and I suspect he'd think he was too big to be a club outside the CL. Everything he's done in the last year suggests a serious 'billy big bollocks' chip on his shoulder.
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Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
Does it? Apart from the curfew-break in Iceland (was it?), what's he been up to?
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Post by: Dave P on July 01, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
I’d definitely take Pereira. He did that with them. He could be really good with a better side.

In the hole?

Well its officially called The Hawthorns but it's often referred to as that.
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Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2021, 03:58:40 PM
We signed Willie Anderson from Manure and he served us well.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
McGrath was obviously the best bit of business we've ever done Paul. Technically, did Bosnich come from them? Djemba-Djemba was a disaster, but Tuanzebe did OK on loan. Who else is there, Ronny Johnsen?

If I could choose one player from them I'd go for Greenwood. If he stops being a div I think he'll be exceptional.


I think BFR had Bosnich at Manure as a youngster but there were work permit issues. But by the time we signed him he had married an English girl and got a work permit.
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Post by: steamer on July 01, 2021, 04:14:39 PM
Was Gidman on Newtons books as a youngster ?
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Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2021, 04:18:18 PM
Dele Alli anyone?

If Daniel Levy wants £50m for Winks, how much is he going to demand for Dele Alli?


The master negotiator Daniel Levy thinks every Spurs player is worth fifty million quid and every opposition  player is worth tuppence ha'penny. That is why he failed to buy Jack even though we had big financial problems at the time.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2021, 04:19:33 PM
Was Gidman on Newtons books as a youngster ?

On Liverpool's books as a youngster I believe.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2021, 04:23:30 PM
And Son

Son was probably Spurs' best player last season.
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Post by: steamer on July 01, 2021, 04:29:36 PM
Was Gidman on Newtons books as a youngster ?

On Liverpool's books as a youngster I bel

Think you are right
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 01, 2021, 04:38:24 PM
Was Gidman on Newtons books as a youngster ?

On Liverpool's books as a youngster I bel

Think you are right

He joined Manchester United from Everton.
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Post by: mrfuse on July 01, 2021, 05:01:54 PM
I’d definitely take Pereira. He did that with them. He could be really good with a better side.

In the hole?

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Post by: wolfman999 on July 01, 2021, 05:14:58 PM
I’d definitely take Pereira. He did that with them. He could be really good with a better side.

In the hole?

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It never fails to deliver.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 01, 2021, 06:34:34 PM
It will still be a classic long aft.er whatsisname has been forgotten!
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Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
Just saw that Jacob Bedeau has signed for Burnley  Forgot all about him!
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Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
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Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2021, 08:19:35 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.

5th at least:
Villa U23 (who'd probably give the twats a game)
Villa U18
Villa Women
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Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Well, non-Villa, then. Actually...no, I could never take to Burnley even in a half-hearted way.
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Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.

5th at least:
Villa U23 (who'd probably give the twats a game)
Villa U18
Villa Women

Weymouth.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2021, 10:38:59 PM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.

Soucek type is exactly what we need in midfield. Plays as an 8 but 10 premier league goals and tremendous threat on set pieces. Him and Rice together also offer good physical presence and both can get around the pitch o.k.

Said before but if we could pull it off Milkenkovic Savic from Lazio is very similar to Soucek in how he plays and his build and would be our best signing for years. He would however cost 50m + and has been linked to top clubs for years but never actually moves to any of them.

If you want a statement signing to make rest of football seriously take notice he's your man.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2021, 10:42:30 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.

Was Scunthorpe he was at and yeah they released him end of the season, 11 games for them in league one in 19/20 and 34 games last year so yeah no idea what the Burnley plan is for him as it isn't starting games in premier league.

Still think if we asked nicely Dyche would pay about 8m for Hourihane as he seems to like taking our our of favour players for decent fees.
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Post by: john e on July 01, 2021, 11:15:04 PM
i follow that Fabrizio Romano on Twitter
he seems to be the oracle of transfers on there a bit like John Percy

anyone know how does he get all his information, he's definitely in the know about a lot of transfer developments
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2021, 08:00:48 AM
He knows about the ones involving mainly Italian and spanish clubs, but most of the stuff involving other countries clubs is just recycled from others. You find on those ones he often re-tweets the original journo's story or adds a like to their tweet to get his fanboys excited.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.

Soucek type is exactly what we need in midfield. Plays as an 8 but 10 premier league goals and tremendous threat on set pieces. Him and Rice together also offer good physical presence and both can get around the pitch o.k.

Said before but if we could pull it off Milkenkovic Savic from Lazio is very similar to Soucek in how he plays and his build and would be our best signing for years. He would however cost 50m + and has been linked to top clubs for years but never actually moves to any of them.

If you want a statement signing to make rest of football seriously take notice he's your man.
Soucek is superb, but I'd say it's the Rice role we're missing most.  Wouldn't Soucek be more the McGinn, Sanson, Luiz role?
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Post by: London Villan on July 02, 2021, 10:21:29 AM
What happened to that kid from south america we’d “completed” a deal for?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2021, 10:52:09 AM
Not sure why that's gone quiet. Maybe we will find out after Copa America.
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Post by: algy on July 02, 2021, 10:55:27 AM
Not sure why that's gone quiet. Maybe we will find out after Copa America.
Just speculating wildly here, but if Alvarez is as good as people say he is, and available for £15m ... I can understand perfectly why we as a club might want to keep that a bit quiet.
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Post by: Monty on July 02, 2021, 11:03:06 AM
Not in for Abraham at £40m according to The Athletic, nor is any other centre forward considered particularly to be a priority.
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Post by: Andy Poole on July 02, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.

Soucek type is exactly what we need in midfield. Plays as an 8 but 10 premier league goals and tremendous threat on set pieces. Him and Rice together also offer good physical presence and both can get around the pitch o.k.

Said before but if we could pull it off Milkenkovic Savic from Lazio is very similar to Soucek in how he plays and his build and would be our best signing for years. He would however cost 50m + and has been linked to top clubs for years but never actually moves to any of them.

If you want a statement signing to make rest of football seriously take notice he's your man.

Begs the question why hasn't he moved? Do all these Top Clubs find something that suggests he'd be more trouble than he's worth?
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Post by: Dave on July 02, 2021, 11:40:01 AM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.

Soucek type is exactly what we need in midfield. Plays as an 8 but 10 premier league goals and tremendous threat on set pieces. Him and Rice together also offer good physical presence and both can get around the pitch o.k.

Said before but if we could pull it off Milkenkovic Savic from Lazio is very similar to Soucek in how he plays and his build and would be our best signing for years. He would however cost 50m + and has been linked to top clubs for years but never actually moves to any of them.

If you want a statement signing to make rest of football seriously take notice he's your man.

Begs the question why hasn't he moved? Do all these Top Clubs find something that suggests he'd be more trouble than he's worth?

Had a great season and was priced out of a move (Lazio apparently wanted £100m for him).

Had a less good season, so while they still thought he was worth loads, others didn't think so. Reckon Lazio would have been keen to cash in at this point, but his slightly dodgy season put off any would-be buyers.

Then had another really good season, and no bugger has any money anymore apart from us.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
Not in for Abraham at £40m according to The Athletic, nor is any other centre forward considered particularly to be a priority.

A mistake if true. Another season of Davis just warming the bench and getting criticised when he dosen't look that great getting 10 minutes in game we're losing again.

If we want a good cup run this year we need more upfront, unfair to demand Ollie can pretty much play every minute of 50 games potentially.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2021, 12:08:24 PM
Rice is closer to the player I want and I think he could be developed into a really good DM, England have used him really poorly in the euros but for West Ham he's much better. I agree that he'd be very expensive for what he is though.

Players like Winks being linked is what happens when your manager talks about the value of experience in the league at the start of the window. I hope we don't let that become the most important factor in signings because we can get better value elsewhere and the team we have is strong enough to give those players 6-12months to fully settle in.

How much of Rices improvement is down to Soucek though and how much he suits the style of play Moyes operates? I think he’s a good player a bit limited in some aspects but certainly deserving of his place in my view.

Soucek type is exactly what we need in midfield. Plays as an 8 but 10 premier league goals and tremendous threat on set pieces. Him and Rice together also offer good physical presence and both can get around the pitch o.k.

Said before but if we could pull it off Milkenkovic Savic from Lazio is very similar to Soucek in how he plays and his build and would be our best signing for years. He would however cost 50m + and has been linked to top clubs for years but never actually moves to any of them.

If you want a statement signing to make rest of football seriously take notice he's your man.

Begs the question why hasn't he moved? Do all these Top Clubs find something that suggests he'd be more trouble than he's worth?

Lazio were demanding 100m a while back and they also qualify for CL on occassions (were in it last season). Thought he only had two years on his deal so they might have to sell him but one report I read said he had 3 years left.

No different really to someone in Spain or Italy with no soft spot for us wondering why on earth Grealish hasn't moved from team finishing 17th and 11th in last two seasons.
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Post by: OCD on July 02, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
Not in for Abraham at £40m according to The Athletic, nor is any other centre forward considered particularly to be a priority.

A mistake if true. Another season of Davis just warming the bench and getting criticised when he dosen't look that great getting 10 minutes in game we're losing again.

If we want a good cup run this year we need more upfront, unfair to demand Ollie can pretty much play every minute of 50 games potentially.

Unless Wesley's got the most out of the summer and looks good in pre-season.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2021, 12:15:37 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Not in for Abraham at £40m according to The Athletic, nor is any other centre forward considered particularly to be a priority.

A mistake if true. Another season of Davis just warming the bench and getting criticised when he dosen't look that great getting 10 minutes in game we're losing again.

If we want a good cup run this year we need more upfront, unfair to demand Ollie can pretty much play every minute of 50 games potentially.

Unless Wesley's got the most out of the summer and looks good in pre-season.

Yes hopefully Wes can score a goal or two early as that would push his confidence levels up a fair.

I'd still have him in the Davis role tbh. Two strikers on the bench and he's more the one who comes on last 15 minutes after the first one in games we're losing or drawing.

Would imagine the plan is he'll start our early games in league cup to have a look at his fitness levels in competitive games.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2021, 12:25:57 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.

Talk Traore would be played as CF if needed as apparently he played there one season at Lyon.

Now I like him but his on field awareness at times dosen't strike me as someone who'd be brilliant holding the ball up with back to goal or making the runs off the ball we need and Ollie is ace at.

El Ghazi had a go as false 9 when all the strikers were injured in Jan 2020 but obvious that couldn't be long term tactic.

It's odd. Leicester currently got three top level strikers in their squad and this is team that have finished 5th two years running. We'll sign one I'm sure.
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Post by: Matt C on July 02, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
They’ll take a look at how Wesley is doing in early pre-season and that will inform the decision which is fair enough. If he’s looking sharp perhaps we go for another forward who could play wide and if he’s not, a more like-for-like replacement for Watkins.

On Leicester - who look like they’re recruiting well again - assume their latest striker signing means they won’t be after the Celtic forward we were also linked with, is he any good? I’ve not watched any Scottish football in a very long time.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2021, 12:33:44 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.
A point I've made a few times.  I'm not sure £40m on Tammy is the right answer, but for me we do need real squad depth.  Davis certainly isn't the answer and I very much doubt Wes is either.
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Post by: OCD on July 02, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
I had just started to like the idea of having Watkins and Abraham competing for the same place, making a big signing in a position where there wasn't an obvious need like last summer with Martinez and to have a genuine option to come off the bench.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.

Talk Traore would be played as CF if needed as apparently he played there one season at Lyon.

Now I like him but his on field awareness at times dosen't strike me as someone who'd be brilliant holding the ball up with back to goal or making the runs off the ball we need and Ollie is ace at.

El Ghazi had a go as false 9 when all the strikers were injured in Jan 2020 but obvious that couldn't be long term tactic.

It's odd. Leicester currently got three top level strikers in their squad and this is team that have finished 5th two years running. We'll sign one I'm sure.

It's crazy. You should never try to "make do" at centre forward. We keep doing it!
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Post by: Risso on July 02, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
We really, really need another forward, and I agree that winging it for the third year running would be daft. Also, if we want to make sure Jack stays, we have to show him we're building a team that matches his ambitions. An injury to Watkins and we'd be absolutely buggered.
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Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2021, 12:58:20 PM
Eduard still available from Celtic?
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Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2021, 01:00:17 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.
A point I've made a few times.  I'm not sure £40m on Tammy is the right answer, but for me we do need real squad depth.  Davis certainly isn't the answer and I very much doubt Wes is either.

I mostly agree, there's questions over Davis and Wes, we can only afford to let 1 of them try to answer those this season so we need someone more reliable. Personally I want that to be with a player who is still valuable even if Wesley steps up and fills the gap, which is why a player happy up front or out wide is what I'd like to see.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Surely we aren't going to try to wing it and hope we don't get any injuries up front for the third season running? That tactic nearly relegated us once.

Talk Traore would be played as CF if needed as apparently he played there one season at Lyon.

Now I like him but his on field awareness at times dosen't strike me as someone who'd be brilliant holding the ball up with back to goal or making the runs off the ball we need and Ollie is ace at.

El Ghazi had a go as false 9 when all the strikers were injured in Jan 2020 but obvious that couldn't be long term tactic.

It's odd. Leicester currently got three top level strikers in their squad and this is team that have finished 5th two years running. We'll sign one I'm sure.

It's crazy. You should never try to "make do" at centre forward. We keep doing it!

yep. you'd think Samatta and Davis running around would still be fresh in people's minds.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 02, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
Traore played as a central striker at Ajax too I think. When we signed him, that YouTube compilation was way better than the Lyon winger version,

I personally like the idea as it keeps a good/promising player heavily involved rather than becoming unmotivated stuck in the bench.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2021, 02:19:27 PM
Traore played as a central striker at Ajax too I think. When we signed him, that YouTube compilation was way better than the Lyon winger version,

I personally like the idea as it keeps a good/promising player heavily involved rather than becoming unmotivated stuck in the bench.

Just watched that. He scored goals in some big games as a 9, and a couple with his head too!
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Post by: Dave P on July 02, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
Eduard still available from Celtic?

I still have a deal in the back of my mind that sees Wesley go in the opposite direction.  I think he'll rip up the Scottish league.
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Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2021, 02:38:34 PM
Traore played as a central striker at Ajax too I think. When we signed him, that YouTube compilation was way better than the Lyon winger version,

I personally like the idea as it keeps a good/promising player heavily involved rather than becoming unmotivated stuck in the bench.

Just watched that. He scored goals in some big games as a 9, and a couple with his head too!

I've seen a fair few reports that our priority signing is a 10 but I'd prefer a player like Traore but on the left. That way you have the option to have Jack inside or out, Buendia the same on the other side and then 2 wingers/forwards on either side as well, with Ollie and Wes as centre forward options and the kids filling out the bench across all 4 spots. If we go for Tammy or Smith-Rowe I think that suggests that the club see AEG as that player and I'm not so sure.
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Post by: kipeye on July 02, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.
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Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

He's been very hit and miss, for every performance where he's looked the part there's one where he's been poor, he's a bit like Wes in that I'd be keeping the door open for him but not relying on him.
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Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2021, 02:59:12 PM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

He's been very hit and miss, for every performance where he's looked the part there's one where he's been poor, he's a bit like Wes in that I'd be keeping the door open for him but not relying on him.

He has been hit and miss but I do think he's improved since he came, certainly his last few performances suggested so. He also hasn't really had a run in the side to get up to full speed for a long while.

I'd written him off to be honest, but he impressed me at the tail end of the season.
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Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2021, 03:13:54 PM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

He's been very hit and miss, for every performance where he's looked the part there's one where he's been poor, he's a bit like Wes in that I'd be keeping the door open for him but not replying on him.

He has been hit and miss but I do think he's improved since he came, certainly his last few performances suggested so. He also hasn't really had a run in the side to get up to full speed for a long while.

I'd written him off to be honest, but he impressed me at the tail end of the season.

didn't see the the typo until you quoted me so now we'll forever be "replying" on him to come good.

I guess it really depends on where we want to get and when. If the plan is to hit the top 6 next season (which it should be) then we need another option in there in my opinion. Looking at the squad right now we have plenty of room to add someone in there without completely side-lining any of the existing midfielders. I do suspect that it'll be a 10 or a 6 though rather than both as I'd like unless the latter is cover at DM and CB.
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Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
I've done my bit for you there Paul!
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 02, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
I think Nakamba is better than we think too, and could get better.  His excellent performances in the latter part of the season came in what was probably his best "run" of games, which says to me he would improve with a decent run of games behind him.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 02, 2021, 03:44:56 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
Re second favourite sides playing in claret and blue - after all AVFC representative sides it has to be Galway United.

Not least because the current kit includes 'AV81' as a tribute to Eamonn Deacy and our European Cup triumph.

Link: https://galwayunitedfc.ie/product/galway-united-home-2021-kit/
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Post by: Smithy on July 02, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

He was much better towards the end of last season, as if he'd got up to speed with the premier league and the requirements of a DM.  In terms of breaking things up, he's definitely up to the task.  The issue is with the ball he's still quite limited.  Now, that's true of a LOT of DMs, and to get one who can do the ugly stuff and use the ball you'll be paying very big money indeed.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
Re second favourite sides playing in claret and blue - after all AVFC representative sides it has to be Galway United.

Not least because the current kit includes 'AV81' as a tribute to Eamonn Deacy and our European Cup triumph.

Link: https://galwayunitedfc.ie/product/galway-united-home-2021-kit/

Think they play at Eamonn Deacy Stadium too
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Post by: OCD on July 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
Luiz will miss the start of the season due to the Olympics so unless we bring in another DM, he's likely to start the season.
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Post by: john e on July 02, 2021, 05:08:49 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
Re second favourite sides playing in claret and blue - after all AVFC representative sides it has to be Galway United.

Not least because the current kit includes 'AV81' as a tribute to Eamonn Deacy and our European Cup triumph.

Link: https://galwayunitedfc.ie/product/galway-united-home-2021-kit/

Bolocks, You’re going to make me spend some more money now
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
Re second favourite sides playing in claret and blue - after all AVFC representative sides it has to be Galway United.

Not least because the current kit includes 'AV81' as a tribute to Eamonn Deacy and our European Cup triumph.

Link: https://galwayunitedfc.ie/product/galway-united-home-2021-kit/

Bolocks, You’re going to make me spend some more money now

Also the postcode of their ground is H91 AV81
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 02, 2021, 05:30:37 PM
They’ll take a look at how Wesley is doing in early pre-season and that will inform the decision which is fair enough. If he’s looking sharp perhaps we go for another forward who could play wide and if he’s not, a more like-for-like replacement for Watkins.

On Leicester - who look like they’re recruiting well again - assume their latest striker signing means they won’t be after the Celtic forward we were also linked with, is he any good? I’ve not watched any Scottish football in a very long time.

A wise decision. Dull as ditchwater without exception. SPL comes on before MOTD up here.

They haven't had crowd noise at SPL matches during covid as it would be an unnatural environment for the audience.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 02, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Wow, thought he was struggling to get a game at Cambridge. Did we include a sell-on in his contract? Westwood, Lowton and Bedeau. Burnley could be our second favourite claret and blue team if only they weren't such such a modern Wimbledon.
Re second favourite sides playing in claret and blue - after all AVFC representative sides it has to be Galway United.

Not least because the current kit includes 'AV81' as a tribute to Eamonn Deacy and our European Cup triumph.

Link: https://galwayunitedfc.ie/product/galway-united-home-2021-kit/

I want one! Also has a Villa lion in the badge.
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Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2021, 05:48:54 PM
Is there another link to Villa with the club sponsor - the Comers who tried to buy us in the mid 00's ?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2021, 08:45:50 PM
Is there another link to Villa with the club sponsor - the Comers who tried to buy us in the mid 00's ?

Yes
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 02, 2021, 09:01:38 PM
Is there another link to Villa with the club sponsor - the Comers who tried to buy us in the mid 00's ?

Also Adidas tried to sue O'Neills to stop them using the 3 stripes but were unsuccessful (in Ireland) even if it predates Sawiris's time there.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2021, 02:05:08 AM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

Brutally honest answer is that he is not good enough if we are looking to really cement a place in the top reaches of the division.  Fine as a squad player who can come in and do a job for the odd game here and there, but we need a real quality addition in that position.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on July 03, 2021, 06:14:07 AM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

Brutally honest answer is that he is not good enough if we are looking to really cement a place in the top reaches of the division.  Fine as a squad player who can come in and do a job for the odd game here and there, but we need a real quality addition in that position.
that's what we said about Matt targett
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 03, 2021, 07:54:41 AM
Eduard still available from Celtic?

Yes and for around £18 million, last year of his contract. For that sort of money we should be in for him. If he doesn’t work out we would recoup most of the money spent. Offer Celtic Wes on loan for the season and we could pay less.
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Post by: Risso on July 03, 2021, 08:03:48 AM
As far as the DM goes, I wonder why many discount Nakamba. I believe he has the makings of a great holding midfielder.

Brutally honest answer is that he is not good enough if we are looking to really cement a place in the top reaches of the division.  Fine as a squad player who can come in and do a job for the odd game here and there, but we need a real quality addition in that position.
that's what we said about Matt targett

The fact that Matt Targett improved after a ropey first season doesn't mean that every other player will. Having watched Nakamba play, if he wasn't ours, would you want us to be signing him now to be our main defensive midfielder? Or would you want somebody better?
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Post by: CT on July 03, 2021, 08:13:58 AM
My Leeds mate was saying they’ve signed Jack Harrison permanently for £11m.

That seems like very good value for a player who was excellent for them last season.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 03, 2021, 08:29:16 AM
Thats great value when the likes of Dwight McNeil are being banded about for £40m.
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Post by: Mister E on July 03, 2021, 08:36:18 AM
My Leeds mate was saying they’ve signed Jack Harrison permanently for £11m.

That seems like very good value for a player who was excellent for them last season.
They've probably quite a lot in loan fees over the last 3 seasons, but still looks like great value (despite the man-bun).
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Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2021, 08:43:38 AM
I hope the fact that it's quieter than the local graveyard means we are buying internationals who have been involved with the Euro's or the Copa America.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 03, 2021, 09:12:37 AM
Nakamba's name doesn't do him any favours. I would suggest a deed poll name change to Mainly-Average Nakamba, Moderate Nakamba or mebbe Meh Nakamba. He's a decent squad player but realistically we need better.
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Post by: Drummond on July 03, 2021, 09:44:23 AM
I think he's pretty Marvelous. Some of his performances have been great and he's getting better.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2021, 09:56:58 AM
Nakamba has got a bit better but where we are wanting to go, he needs to get a whole lot better.  Far too inconsistent for my liking.  Nakamba or Ndidi?  Nakamba or Bossouma?  Nakamba or Ndombele?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
I think he's pretty Marvelous. Some of his performances have been great and he's getting better.

Yep.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 03, 2021, 10:44:29 AM
I think he's pretty Marvelous. Some of his performances have been great and he's getting better.

Mainly-Marvelous Nakamba?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 03, 2021, 12:49:10 PM
Nakamba's name doesn't do him any favours. I would suggest a deed poll name change to

Marvelous Bremner.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 03, 2021, 01:38:16 PM
My Leeds mate was saying they’ve signed Jack Harrison permanently for £11m.

That seems like very good value for a player who was excellent for them last season.

Haven't they had him on loan for about three seasons now? So probably paid a decent loan fee to Man. City each year so probably more likely 30m in total.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 03, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
Nakamba has his uses for certain games. And other games like 1-0 down and playing 10 men v Sheffield United and needing to shift the ball far quicker and he's not very good.

He should be used far more as sub though in games we're winning 1-0 and hanging on. Seems like we're getting battered for a good 20 minutes, get to 92nd minute and then finally you see him preparing to come on. (that happened away to Southampton).

Everton away he was unused sub and also unused when we were 2-1 up at Palace with 15 minutes left.

That said impressed with how Dean played the second half at Spurs which we saw out comfortably in the end, putting on Luiz with 20 minutes left was exactly the right sub to make so hopefully he'll do more of that next season.
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Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2021, 02:46:13 PM
My Leeds mate was saying they’ve signed Jack Harrison permanently for £11m.
That's extremely shocking.
Surely you can find another mate who doesn't support Leeds?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2021, 03:17:54 PM
Given that it's a Leeds fan, I assume he missed out "cell" before "mate"?
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Post by: Ian. on July 03, 2021, 06:03:06 PM
My Leeds mate was saying they’ve signed Jack Harrison permanently for £11m.
That's extremely shocking.
Surely you can find another mate who doesn't support Leeds?

I’ve got a friend who supports Leeds, must be the same fella.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 03, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
That is a bargain.  There must’ve been a deal agreed in the original loan agreement whilst they were in the championship.
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Post by: OCD on July 03, 2021, 08:09:15 PM
Certainly doesn't reflect the season he had last year. They were able to activate a clause in the deal that was agreed last year.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 03, 2021, 08:30:07 PM
It's fair to say that we haven't been tested in this tournament yet.
Our toughest game has been against Scotland.
Bugger
Wrong thread.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2021, 09:18:53 PM
It's fair to say that we haven't been tested in this tournament yet.
Our toughest game has been against Scotland.
Bugger
Wrong thread.

The one time someone says something nice about Scotland and it's in the wrong thread. ☹
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 04, 2021, 07:08:25 AM
It's fair to say that we haven't been tested in this tournament yet.
Our toughest game has been against Scotland.
Bugger
Wrong thread.

The one time someone says something nice about Scotland and it's in the wrong thread. ☹
Lovely scenery  ;)
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 04, 2021, 07:56:37 AM
Ha!
I was suffering from the Jenas effect when I posted.
I'll get back on thread.
John McGinn is the best thing to come.out of Scotland since Big Yin and Liverpool can ****  off.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
It's fair to say that we haven't been tested in this tournament yet.
Our toughest game has been against Scotland.
Bugger
Wrong thread.

The one time someone says something nice about Scotland and it's in the wrong thread. ☹
Lovely scenery  ;)

Okay whiskey too, shame they can't spell it correctly.
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Post by: OCD on July 04, 2021, 01:32:35 PM
Talk that we're going back in with a third bid for Smith-Rowe.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 04, 2021, 02:11:38 PM
It's fair to say that we haven't been tested in this tournament yet.
Our toughest game has been against Scotland.
Bugger
Wrong thread.

The one time someone says something nice about Scotland and it's in the wrong thread. ☹
Lovely scenery  ;)

Okay whiskey too, shame they can't spell it correctly.

The ladies are very friendly too.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 04, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
Talk that we're going back in with a third bid for Smith-Rowe.

We really are determined here.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2021, 03:32:01 PM
I recall Steve bruce saying that the transfer system had changed and the player met the club and did the personal terms and medical before the bid was accepted as the two clubs needed to discuss whether the player was available.  Maybe, bidding still happens but I thought Bruce said it was a bit old fashioned. 
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 04, 2021, 03:34:49 PM
Talk that we're going back in with a third bid for Smith-Rowe.

We really are determined here.

3rd time lucky hopefully
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2021, 03:37:11 PM
Talk that we're going back in with a third bid for Smith-Rowe.
we'll get him.
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Post by: ajmant on July 04, 2021, 03:43:40 PM
Arsenal don’t appear to want to sell him so I’m not so sure.
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Post by: OCD on July 04, 2021, 03:48:15 PM
I recall Steve bruce saying that the transfer system had changed and the player met the club and did the personal terms and medical before the bid was accepted as the two clubs needed to discuss whether the player was available.  Maybe, bidding still happens but I thought Bruce said it was a bit old fashioned. 

We've probably told his agent what we would pay him if he joined. He's still not signed a new contract with them (Tierney's was done quite quickly) so presumably they're still nowhere near what we're offering to pay him. I have read comments from ESR saying how Jack is one of his favourite players so maybe the idea of playing alongside him appeals too. We must have been given incentive that a deal can be done though. 
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Post by: Ads on July 04, 2021, 03:56:47 PM
You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.
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Post by: darren woolley on July 04, 2021, 04:09:06 PM
It would be great if we sign ESR.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2021, 04:10:50 PM
You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.
agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 04, 2021, 04:18:54 PM
You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.
agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2021, 04:34:19 PM
You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.
agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?

Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Lsvilla on July 04, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
You don't speculatively bid. I assume an agent if the club meets the agent of the player, suggests a proposal and a package. If the player and his team are interested, a bid follows.

At first I thought we were being used as a stalking horse to quicken negotiations on a new contract, but there seems to be more in it than that.
agreed - if there wasn't some sort of encouragement I imagine we'd be looking elsewhere....

And would it be fair to hypothesis that ESR, given his admiration for Jack wouldn't be considering the move if...?

Fingers crossed.
I see it that way too. Jack signing a new contract to confirm to ESR and JWP that they’ll both be playing with him and not instead of him and activity starts. Like it or not Arsenal need cash and I would imagine we’re one of a very small number that can pay cash up front to get things done.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 04, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Whilst I love the statement I am not sure it is where I’d be spending the money.  Presumably the missing DCM was/is involved at the Euros so inappropriate to bidding whilst on international duty.
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Post by: Ads on July 04, 2021, 05:02:37 PM
Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

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Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2021, 05:03:36 PM
Whilst I love the statement I am not sure it is where I’d be spending the money.  Presumably the missing DCM was/is involved at the Euros so inappropriate to bidding whilst on international duty.

Probably see him play on Wednesday night, but rumours are that Thomas Delaney might be moving from Dortmund this summer.  He is 29, so might not fit the age profile we have been looking at, but he has plenty of international and top flight experience.
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Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

I agree but I don't think Luiz should be a 6, he's better playing a bit further forward for me. Ramsey is an 8 as well. So no senior 10 where it's their main position and only Marv as an out and out 6 in the squad.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 04, 2021, 06:06:41 PM
Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

I agree but I don't think Luiz should be a 6, he's better playing a bit further forward for me. Ramsey is an 8 as well. So no senior 10 where it's their main position and only Marv as an out and out 6 in the squad.

I also think that if you have a 10 then a 6 is vital. 

Three 8s might be a more pragmatic solution - a la Liverpool - as the squad will be less disrupted if/when injuries occur as ‘generalists’ are more plentiful in supply (Sanson and Ramsey for example).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2021, 06:18:13 PM
get in a decent 6 - Luiz can be competition for the 8 - and we get in a 10, or another wide player.
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Post by: Richard E on July 04, 2021, 06:21:51 PM
Surely if one of the options is three 8s then the other option has to be a 10 and a 14?
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Post by: Pat Mustard on July 04, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
I presume with ESR that we have had some contact and made it clear we are prepared to pay him significantly more that Arsenal are offering him. It’s then a question of whether Arsenal will match it - presumably if not then they will sell him, or risk losing him for peanuts in 12 months time when we can potentially offer him even more money if there is a much smaller fee. Worst case scenario for us is that Arsenal eventually cough up enough to keep him, which could then rule them out of signing someone in addition and strengthening their squad.

That’s the other thing with having owners like ours - it’s not just the players we sign, but what we can force potential rivals to do. It’s also why I’m confident Jack is going nowhere this summer. The only club who could seriously afford him are Man City, but a new centre-forward has to be their priority. If they have to cough up £150 million for Kane then there is absolutely zero chance they are spending a similar amount on Jack which is what it would take to get to the table. FFP might have been relaxed, but they simply won’t be able to spend that kind of money without every other top club in Europe kicking off massively over it.
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Post by: Ads on July 04, 2021, 06:25:22 PM
Increasing by £2.5m seems a bit precise too.
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Post by: OCD on July 04, 2021, 08:12:05 PM
I wonder how much of a key player they see him as too. He seemed to play a lesser role once Ødegaard was brought in (I think he was originally playing as a 10 but then got moved wide to accommodate Ødegaard). I think we have pegged him as our most important target of the summer and would probably go onto the same salary terms that we're prepared to pay Jack. 
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Post by: Ads on July 04, 2021, 08:40:13 PM
I think they see him as a project and the contract they likely wanted to give him reflected that, with another attacking midfielder coming in. Now with us flexing, they'll need to offer him a sizeable contract and that likely accelerates his development because there's no room to take that 2nd wage on board.

Something of a conundrum for the Spanish Pulis and whether he trusts him to step up, as pursuits of Ødegaard and Maddison suggest he doesn't yet.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2021, 08:40:54 PM
For some reason, I think there’s more in it than just speculative bids.

Agent probably wants the move, Arsenal aren’t offering a contract that is up to what the Agent thinks is best. ESR wouldn’t want to move out of choice, but with a guaranteed starting role as a No10 on a decent more money than Arsenal are offering…

I reckon we’ll see this develop over the next few days.

It would be another huge statement of intent, and make our attack really fearsome
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Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2021, 08:43:59 PM
Chucky must have been given assurances on first-team opportunities (hence him appearing as the season wound-down), how are we going to give him game time, never mind the 50 other midfielders we have, if Smith-Rowe joins ?
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Post by: Ads on July 04, 2021, 09:06:38 PM
We do not have a large squad. Grealish won't play 38 games, form dips. We're going for top 6. We need a clutch of talented players going forwards.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2021, 09:07:38 PM
Isn't Chucky more defensive midfield that likes to get forward, whereas ESR is more out and out attacking midfield?
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 04, 2021, 09:13:01 PM
Any more news on the Alvarez rumour, or was it just that ?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2021, 09:22:06 PM
Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.

That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.

I agree but I don't think Luiz should be a 6, he's better playing a bit further forward for me. Ramsey is an 8 as well. So no senior 10 where it's their main position and only Marv as an out and out 6 in the squad.

I also think that if you have a 10 then a 6 is vital. 

Three 8s might be a more pragmatic solution - a la Liverpool - as the squad will be less disrupted if/when injuries occur as ‘generalists’ are more plentiful in supply (Sanson and Ramsey for example).

Problem with playing three 8s is none of them score very much. I think if you played McGinn as most advanced of the three he could chip in with 5-10 goals but he's really lost the scoring touch in last 18 months, Sanson averaged about 5 a season in France and Luiz could chip in with a few long rangers but none of them feel capable of double figures really.

Liverpool can get away with that as even in mediocre seasons Salah, Mane and Firminio contribute 40-50 premier league goals.

We'd need 20 + from Ollie, 15 from Jack and then double figures from one of Buendia/Traore. Jack could get close to 15 if he was on penalties but then you take away AEG chipping in with double figures so that's the crux.

We simply don't have enough goals in the squad as it stands to get close to top 6 imo but signing a central midfield who could get double figures would massively help, West Ham signed one in Jan 2020 after all.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
No developments. Maybe something will happen after next weekend (or earlier, if Argentina don't make the Copa America Final).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2021, 09:25:02 PM
Chucky must have been given assurances on first-team opportunities (hence him appearing as the season wound-down), how are we going to give him game time, never mind the 50 other midfielders we have, if Smith-Rowe joins ?

Luiz at the Olympics in August, Ramsey loaned out somewhere on season loan and that will immediately create space and if he plays well he can continue high up the pecking order.

I suspect we'll ease him in as we've done Ramsey, regular sub cameos and odd start every month.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2021, 11:06:25 PM
This Smith Rowe stuff is really strange.

It seems strange that Arsenal would consider selling him, let alone that he might be up for leaving, and I think we're too cute to get dragged into some ruse to boost his contract negotiations.

Yet it has been dragging on for a while, and it's hard to believe there is all this noise if we hadn't been in some way encouraged.

Don't get me wrong, I think he looks incredibly promising and it's probably worth £30m just to piss off those rank, self-entitled Tarquins, but it just has a feel of strangeness to it.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2021, 11:16:02 PM
This Smith Rowe stuff is really strange.

It seems strange that Arsenal would consider selling him, let alone that he might be up for leaving, and I think we're too cute to get dragged into some ruse to boost his contract negotiations.

Yet it has been dragging on for a while, and it's hard to believe there is all this noise if we hadn't been in some way encouraged.

Don't get me wrong, I think he looks incredibly promising and it's probably worth £30m just to piss off those rank, self-entitled Tarquins, but it just has a feel of strangeness to it.

Yeah I agree. Also it might be we’re doing very little and it’s not effort at all, but it sounds like we’re placing a lot of focus on it. I can’t imagine we’d be doing that if we didn’t expect to sign him. I’ve been firmly of the view there’s little to no chance of us getting him, but I’m starting to think we might.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2021, 11:25:18 PM
It’s been two weeks since the opening bid of £25m so not that long ago. The weird thing about it is that it’s all very public. Neither side has admitted it, but more importantly Arsenal haven’t rebuffed it. Which given the reported offers being made they could have done at any time. We don’t normally do this but clearly Arsenal or the players agent is not making this go away. I don’t think we’d do it to play up his contract which could have been offered and signed at any time you’d have thought. If this does happen it would be a super signing made all the sweeter that it pisses off those entitled wankers no end.
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Post by: Matt C on July 04, 2021, 11:25:30 PM
Really odd on ESR, I didn’t give this one a chance and to be honest I’d expected him to have signed a new contract by now but it rumbles on.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 05, 2021, 12:13:23 AM
It’s been two weeks since the opening bid of £25m so not that long ago. The weird thing about it is that it’s all very public. Neither side has admitted it, but more importantly Arsenal haven’t rebuffed it. Which given the reported offers being made they could have done at any time. We don’t normally do this but clearly Arsenal or the players agent is not making this go away. I don’t think we’d do it to play up his contract which could have been offered and signed at any time you’d have thought. If this does happen it would be a super signing made all the sweeter that it pisses off those entitled wankers no end.

We were first linked to him before we signed Buendia. I thought at the time it was just a story planted in the press to speed Norwich along (same as that Uruguay playmaker we were briefly linked to) but clearly there's more to it and we feel there's a good chance of getting him in eventually if we keep chipping away with bids.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
I just can't see it happening. Brilliant signing if it does, but I just don't see it, and hope we have backup options lined up.

Still think a multi-functional forward that can press in a similar style to Watkins would be very useful. Losing Ollie for any length of time would seriously hamper us.
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Post by: Mister E on July 05, 2021, 08:00:41 AM
Midfield options are:

8: McGinn, Sanson
6: Luiz, Marv
10: Jack, Emi, Chuck, Ramsey

Given Emi and Jack will likely play wide, there is definitely room for another 10. I wouldn't mind upgrading that quality in 6, as Dougie is still young and won't be playing till September you'd assume.
That said, it's more to control possession and territory rather than shield the back 4 where we need to improve rather than stopping goals, as we were decent defensively.
With this array of options, I think bringing in JWP would be my top priority because it would obviate the need for an out-and-out Stopper in midfield and make best use of the talent in the list above.
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Post by: john e on July 05, 2021, 09:04:58 AM
i to think there's more in the ESR saga than just a speculative bid

although i cant see Arsenal selling unless they have a replacement ie Maddison otherwise there fans would go crazy
the biggest worry for Arsenal is he only has 1 year left on his contract, i think that's what makes the whole thing more intriguing

they could sell it to there fans saying he would leave for nothing next season and they couldn't take that risk
but i still think they would need a heavyweight signing to compensate the fans
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 09:31:51 AM
He has two years left on his contract. Still a valid point as clubs don’t want players to get to a situation where they only have one year remaining.
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Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2021, 09:36:13 AM
I think they haven't got a pot to piss in, need to rebuild, and can't get their deals done because they're trying to stagger payments like they're buying from Kays catalogue.

They're also shit scared of losing players running down their contracts as they've been stung with that a few times. We know this, and are standing there like Harry Enfield's 'loadsamoney' character waving dosh at them, waiting for them to crack.
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Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 05, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
I thought all transfer fees were paid in installments?
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Post by: sid1964 on July 05, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
By next week we will have offered another £5k at what point do Arsenal say he is yours?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 09:42:23 AM
By next week we will have offered another £5k at what point do Arsenal say he is yours?

I don't know, but I don't imagine another five thousand will swing it.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
ESR - it may be that with Arsenal trying to sign Odegaard & Maddison he feels he'll be down the pecking order, where we're showing him so much faith and a first choice 10 role.  Joining us would give him a shot at earning a place in the w/c squad whereas if he is a bit part player for Arsenal he'd have no chance.  He'll know that playing with Jack & Buendia either side of him he'd have a massive opportunity to shine.

Maybe wishful thinking, but that could be the dream we're trying to sell him.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
I thought all transfer fees were paid in installments?
Yes but the terms vary. You can get them financed subject to the credit standing of the buying club.
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Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2021, 09:46:05 AM
By next week we will have offered another £5k at what point do Arsenal say he is yours?

I don't know, but I don't imagine another five thousand will swing it.

£10k at least, and we'll throw in a club Montego from Evans Halshaw.
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Post by: Ads on July 05, 2021, 09:47:53 AM
Pushing hard for ESR according to Preece.
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Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2021, 09:51:01 AM
Pushing hard for ESR according to Preece.

He still hasn't signed this contract that was supposed to be verbally agreed, has he? Are they waiting for a new printer cartridge or something?

Whatever comes about from it, we've done a great job of exposing Arsenal as a bit two-bob.
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Post by: robbo1874 on July 05, 2021, 10:00:45 AM
Had a Liverpool supporter tell me yesterday ‘with a high degree of confidence’ (guess work) that John McGinn is ‘definitely’ going to Liverpool. I said to him that all of our best players are tied up long term and no- ones going anywhere unless Villa say so. He wasn’t too keen on that.
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Post by: frank black on July 05, 2021, 10:01:12 AM
This is an interesting pursuit isn’t it. We have never been ones to do protracted public (leaked) attempts to sign anyone. This is usually the so called big 6 way of doing transfers. I can’t put my finger on it, but something doesn’t seem right/true about all this. Probably because it’s just not very Villa. 🤷‍♂️ Oh well let’s see how it plays out.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2021, 10:08:44 AM
Does feel like we have started to bully teams a bit, especially Arsenal.

Nice for us to be doing it to others, rather than having it done to us.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2021, 10:26:20 AM
He still hasn't signed this contract that was supposed to be verbally agreed, has he? Are they waiting for a new printer cartridge or something?

Bet they use iffy recycled ones off ebay, too, the tramps.
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Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
Arsenal print room

https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759 (https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759)
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Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2021, 10:46:49 AM
Arsenal print room

https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759 (https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759)

Brings back horrible memories of trying to get one of those to integrate with a phone system for hotel billing about 20 years ago in Rugby.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 11:11:22 AM
Bit outdated I think. Everyone knows football clubs used thermal faxes for everything especially with sending bids and contracts. Most modern faxes have a print and copy option and i'm sure a club like Arsenal and certainly us, has one of these beauties.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/lrfkupuqq/image/upload/c_limit,h_800,w_800/v1/electroprops/fjzv6i3zqq1jz83xgdzx)



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Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 11:21:18 AM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.
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Post by: Smithy on July 05, 2021, 11:23:27 AM
I still don't think the ESR deal will happen, but I am thoroughly enjoying the slim possibility that it *might*.  It's made a nice change over the last few years to see us trying to sign some of the best young talents in the country, sometimes before they've fully developed (and were therefore priced accordingly) - and I think this is an interesting development.  Obviously there is an English premium here considering the numbers mentioned, but if the club wants him, then fingers crossed they can get him!
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 11:27:21 AM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
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Post by: algy on July 05, 2021, 11:30:37 AM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 11:45:12 AM


Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.

Yes there must be a good reason why some niche areas still use them but I can't think of one. Mind the NHS probably still uses Telex machines.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

He didn't. He sent it by Burofax, which is just the Spanish equivalent of recorded delivery. And Dean doesn't sign the players. Wink.
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Post by: Dave on July 05, 2021, 11:52:03 AM


Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.

Yes there must be a good reason why some niche areas still use them but I can't think of one. Mind the NHS probably still uses Telex machines.

I think it's to do with signatures. A signature on the bottom of a faxed document is viewed by a lot of institutions as valid whereas a scanned / emailed / electronic one isn't.

Lots of mortgage / legal stuff is still faxed as well I believe.

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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2021, 11:53:37 AM
Arsenal print room

https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759 (https://images.app.goo.gl/LUVVkYsaciuV4x759)

Presumably the one that allowed the to complete the deal for Arshavin 2 hours after the deadline had shut.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 11:54:59 AM


Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.

Yes there must be a good reason why some niche areas still use them but I can't think of one. Mind the NHS probably still uses Telex machines.

I think it's to do with signatures. A signature on the bottom of a faxed document is viewed by a lot of institutions as valid whereas a scanned / emailed / electronic one isn't.

Lots of mortgage / legal stuff is still faxed as well I believe.

yep I just googled it and a Sun article (sorry) said much the same thing.
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Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

He didn't. He sent it by Burofax, which is just the Spanish equivalent of recorded delivery. And Dean doesn't sign the players. Wink.

'kin knew you were gonna pull me up over that  >:(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

He didn't. He sent it by Burofax, which is just the Spanish equivalent of recorded delivery. And Dean doesn't sign the players. Wink.

I refuse to believe that. I'm sure in the last 24 hours, Messi has sat there patiently while an A4 fax has slowly printed out into the tray..

2 year contract
2 million signing on fee
500k per week
Any questions
please
get back to me
Steve Bruce
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Post by: Ads on July 05, 2021, 12:21:30 PM
One of the nippers going on loan apparently. Testing the strength of the old Whispers bod.
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Post by: Risso on July 05, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Have you had a fax?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 05, 2021, 12:28:23 PM
Ings has turned down a 4 yr contact at Southampton apparently.. On a free next summer. Bid? I'm not convinced but y'know, good value probably.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
As my mate said, Ings wanting out will hopefully make JWP think he wants out too.
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Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2021, 12:37:26 PM
As my mate said, Ings wanting out will hopefully make JWP think he wants out too.

Would be a good signing himself, as I think Ings can only get better. Can but d:ream.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Ings would get injured before he'd even posed for the mandatory shirt stretching photo if he signed for us.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2021, 12:46:03 PM
Good player when/if fit.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2021, 12:48:07 PM
I imagine if he’s fit he’d be a good fit for Spurs if they sell Kane.
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Post by: SteveN on July 05, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
I've been impressed by Denmark's Dolberg in his limited appearances.  Looks as if he could play accross the front line looks skilful and scores goals.  Given our Danish connection we might be in with a shout, currently at Nice and I would think a cheaper and more practical option than Abraham.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 05, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
According to the transfer guru on Sky Sports, there is no chance of Arsenal selling ESR
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Post by: Ian. on July 05, 2021, 01:09:37 PM


Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.

Yes there must be a good reason why some niche areas still use them but I can't think of one. Mind the NHS probably still uses Telex machines.
Probably, due to either Tory cutbacks or dodgy Tory contract. ;)
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Post by: algy on July 05, 2021, 01:15:11 PM


Messi did actually fax in his transfer request last summer.

Indeed.  Football has singlehandedly kept fax machines from being obsolete. The Manufacturers  must be praying someone doesn't mention this email stuff to them.
The NHS too, until recently.  Department I work in still had fax as being the main/preferred method of referral up until early 2019 IIRC.

Yes there must be a good reason why some niche areas still use them but I can't think of one. Mind the NHS probably still uses Telex machines.
Probably, due to either Tory cutbacks or dodgy Tory contract. ;)
For the NHS, patient safety was a big factor.  The whole "better the devil you know" thing - there were processes in place to make sure that the chances of a fax referral getting 'lost' were next to zero.  Any system replacing it had to prove that it was at least as reliable in every facet.  Some of the referrals - the urgent ones in particular - you're potentially dealing with a life or death situation for the patient, so you have to be really bloody confident that you've covered all the bases as far as their safety's concerned.   It's also why pagers are still widely used within the NHS ... you can guarantee 100% coverage inside the hospital grounds, which isn't the case with (for example) mobile phones.
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Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2021, 01:17:57 PM
I still don't think the ESR deal will happen, but I am thoroughly enjoying the slim possibility that it *might*.  It's made a nice change over the last few years to see us trying to sign some of the best young talents in the country, sometimes before they've fully developed (and were therefore priced accordingly) - and I think this is an interesting development.  Obviously there is an English premium here considering the numbers mentioned, but if the club wants him, then fingers crossed they can get him!

I'm with you on this one.
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Post by: frank black on July 05, 2021, 01:27:27 PM
According to the transfer guru on Sky Sports, there is no chance of Arsenal selling ESR

I tend to agree, I’d love to be a fly on the wall when all this discussion/bids take place. Fascinating stuff
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Post by: OCD on July 05, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
Demsgaard may be another one to consider in the number 10 role if ESR doesn't happen.
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Post by: ROBBO on July 05, 2021, 01:44:43 PM
I'm just encouraged that we are in the market for that quality of player, who knows where it will end up but surely this is the most positive trading period we've been in for many a year.
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Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 01:45:30 PM
Ings in, Davis and Wesley out.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 02:01:21 PM
No to Ings. Same as Tuanzebe, don't want injured players.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2021, 02:05:43 PM
As my mate said, Ings wanting out will hopefully make JWP think he wants out too.
Southampton don't really need the money.  If Ings goes I can't see any way the let JWP go in the same window.

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Post by: frank black on July 05, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
As my mate said, Ings wanting out will hopefully make JWP think he wants out too.
Southampton don't really need the money.  If Ings goes I can't see any way the let JWP go in the same window.



From what I gather Ings wants a move to have a crack at winning something soon before it’s too late. Whilst Southampton can’t afford to give up his goals and want him to sign a new deal. Not sure who would sign him? Maybe Man city as a cheaper than Kane but good option up front, or Tottenham to replace Kane after he goes to City?
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Post by: Ads on July 05, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
ESR blown away by our interest in him following Lange's meetings with his agent. Birmingham Live.

Likely promised him a contract commensurate with a 10 playing for a top 6 side. The is the issue the Tarquins have, they either hand him a huge deal and scrap plans for another 10 in Maddison or he goes.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
As my mate said, Ings wanting out will hopefully make JWP think he wants out too.
Southampton don't really need the money.  If Ings goes I can't see any way the let JWP go in the same window.



From what I gather Ings wants a move to have a crack at winning something soon before it’s too late. Whilst Southampton can’t afford to give up his goals and want him to sign a new deal. Not sure who would sign him? Maybe Man city as a cheaper than Kane but good option up front, or Tottenham to replace Kane after he goes to City?
Spurs is a good call actually.
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Post by: London Villan on July 05, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
Would Maddison be an option for us if ESR signs a new contract? I can't see either happening, but these are indeed new and interesting times for Villa.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2021, 03:00:53 PM
Would Maddison be an option for us if ESR signs a new contract? I can't see either happening, but these are indeed new and interesting times for Villa.
Fantastic player, but I suspect out of our price range and don't think it's a move he would make at the moment. 
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Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2021, 03:02:37 PM
According to the transfer guru on Sky Sports, there is no chance of Arsenal selling ESR

Another transfer target that got away. File alongside Steve Bull and Carlton Palmer  ;)
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Post by: frank black on July 05, 2021, 03:03:41 PM
Would Maddison be an option for us if ESR signs a new contract? I can't see either happening, but these are indeed new and interesting times for Villa.

I imagine Leista would want a lot more than ESR money…Maddison has been coming off the bench a lot for them though (recovering from injury?) .
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Post by: Risso on July 05, 2021, 03:55:45 PM
Maddison and Jack in the same side would be great, Maddison and Jack on the same night out could be a recipe for disaster!
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Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 04:06:34 PM
They do appear to love each other very much.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2021, 04:32:49 PM
Demsgaard may be another one to consider in the number 10 role if ESR doesn't happen.

Not entirely sure we need a 10 when McGinn, Sanson, Grealish, Buendia and a number of the young players can all play there. 

I would like to see McGinn start the season there with Sanson as back up and see how it goes.  If it transpires that we need better than those two, then hopefully we will be in a position next year where we only need one addition and could go big.
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Post by: Rigadon on July 05, 2021, 04:41:47 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2021, 04:43:14 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

No.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

I think it's sort of funny that this sort of jargon has crept into the game in the past 5 or 6 years - an era when squad numbers make it even more ridiculous than it would be at any other time. When I started watching football there were no squad numbers, just 1-11 on matchday, and back then this sort of jargon wasn't really used! Your fullbacks were fullbacks, your centre halves were centre halves, the wingers were wingers and the two midfielders could decide between themselves who would push on and who would sit!



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Post by: London Villan on July 05, 2021, 04:47:54 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder
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Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?
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Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

8 - box to box
6 - defensive
10 - attacking

pretty much any way, the numbers are just short hand.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2021, 04:51:40 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

I think it's sort of funny that this sort of jargon has crept into the game in the past 5 or 6 years - an era when squad numbers make it even more ridiculous than it would be at any other time. When I started watching football there were no squad numbers, just 1-11 on matchday, and back then this sort of jargon wasn't really used! Your fullbacks were fullbacks, your centre halves were centre halves, the wingers were wingers and the two midfielders could decide between themselves who would push on and who would sit!

I blame Monty.
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Post by: john e on July 05, 2021, 04:52:44 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

Jack Grealish -  Genius - 7
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 05, 2021, 04:53:48 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

No.


I did have to have a little google  :-\
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Post by: London Villan on July 05, 2021, 04:53:54 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

A 7 and 11 would be more likely to be wide attacking midfielders - AML/AMR aka wingers!
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Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2021, 04:57:37 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

A 7 and 11 would be more likely to be wide attacking midfielders - AML/AMR aka wingers!

Juan Pablo Angel really did a lot better for us than you'd think given he was a 'box to box' midfielder  ;)
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Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2021, 04:59:24 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

It’s an outside right, e.g, Ray Graydon.

Outside left is number 11, e.g Willie Anderson.
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Post by: London Villan on July 05, 2021, 04:59:55 PM
As did G. Shaw.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 05, 2021, 05:04:37 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

8 - box to box
6 - defensive
10 - attacking

pretty much any way, the numbers are just short hand.

I think it's just football getting on the vintage vibe.  Libero no longer sounds hip even though it superseded Sweeper.  You can't be caught saying Outside or Inside Right, or even Left or Right Half it's now an 8 or a 10 or even a 6. 7 is a left winger but in these times it's a Left winger and a Left half.  In Jack's case both those plus he can drift.  9.  Everyone knows what a 9 is. 11 should be a Right Winger but there's not been much discussion on the 11 yet.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2021, 05:06:37 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

8 - box to box
6 - defensive
10 - attacking

pretty much any way, the numbers are just short hand.

I think it's just football getting on the vintage vibe.  Libero no longer sounds hip even though it superseded Sweeper.  You can't be caught saying Outside or Inside Right, or even Left or Right Half it's now an 8 or a 10 or even a 6. 7 is a left winger but in these times it's a Left winger and a Left half.  In Jack's case both those plus he can drift.  9.  Everyone knows what a 9 is. 11 should be a Right Winger but there's not been much discussion on the 11 yet.

You’ve got your 7 & 11 on the wrong sides there mate.

Classic 7 & 11 - Beckham and Morley in that order.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 05, 2021, 05:14:57 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

 

8 - box to box
6 - defensive
10 - attacking

pretty much any way, the numbers are just short hand.

I think it's just football getting on the vintage vibe.  Libero no longer sounds hip even though it superseded Sweeper.  You can't be caught saying Outside or Inside Right, or even Left or Right Half it's now an 8 or a 10 or even a 6. 7 is a left winger but in these times it's a Left winger and a Left half.  In Jack's case both those plus he can drift.  9.  Everyone knows what a 9 is. 11 should be a Right Winger but there's not been much discussion on the 11 yet.

You’ve got your 7 & 11 on the wrong sides there mate.

Classic 7 & 11 - Beckham and Morley in that order.

I knew I'd fuck it up.  I wasn't being entirely serious in any case.  Just a bit fascinated by football speak these days reverting back to what numbers meant back in the day.
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Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2021, 05:27:36 PM
As I said I think it's just a shorthand thing; DM, CM and AM can convey the same thing and I tend to use both or even terms like enforcer and big nasty bastard.
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Post by: The Charmer on July 05, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

A 7 and 11 would be more likely to be wide attacking midfielders - AML/AMR aka wingers!

 .  .  .  with the added advantage that the 7 - 11 stays open late should you run out of milk.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on July 05, 2021, 05:30:16 PM
I hope we sign a BNB
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 05, 2021, 06:01:21 PM
Not sure where it started creeping into the language of football fans - it probably moved it on from the Football Manager descriptions of DCM, ACM, CM.

6 - defensive midfielder
8 - goal scoring midfielder
10 - playmaker/creative midfielder

And what, then, is a number 7?

A 7 and 11 would be more likely to be wide attacking midfielders - AML/AMR aka wingers!

Ahhh, the old days 🤠.
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Post by: CT Villan on July 05, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
In my era these were the numbers/positions...

2      5       6     3
            4
7          8        11
           10
            9
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 06:05:18 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.
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Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 06:10:19 PM
Is it just me who doesn't entirely get what is meaty by an 8, a 10 or a 6?!

I think our very own Meatball McGinn can play all three  8)
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Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2021, 06:56:16 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.

Yes, that was it. The right hand side came first.
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Post by: algy on July 05, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Demsgaard may be another one to consider in the number 10 role if ESR doesn't happen.

Not entirely sure we need a 10 when McGinn, Sanson, Grealish, Buendia and a number of the young players can all play there. 

I would like to see McGinn start the season there with Sanson as back up and see how it goes.  If it transpires that we need better than those two, then hopefully we will be in a position next year where we only need one addition and could go big.
I have a feeling that we're going for it this season. FFP is relaxed, hardly anyone can spend so we're not getting stuck in bidding wars, ... it jus feels, much like last summer, that we've an unprecedented chance to make up a huge amount of ground & perhaps overtake sides like Arsenal, who realistically it's been a long, long time since we could compete with. And I'm not sure that chance will still exist in 12-24 months time.
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Post by: Small Rodent on July 05, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
6 runs about in front of the defence
10 runs about behind the attack
8 runs about between the two
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2021, 07:00:15 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.

Yes, that was it. The right hand side came first.

In the classic Villa teams that are the template for this numerical system as those teams are the bona-fide, unchallenged, indisputably correct, final word on how the game should be played, 8 was the support striker (Little, Shaw), while 10 was a midfielder (Cropley, Sid).

Unless you want to disagree with Ron Saunders of course.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on July 05, 2021, 07:24:18 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.

Yes, that was it. The right hand side came first.

In the classic Villa teams that are the template for this numerical system as those teams are the bona-fide, unchallenged, indisputably correct, final word on how the game should be played, 8 was the support striker (Little, Shaw), while 10 was a midfielder (Cropley, Sid).

Unless you want to disagree with Ron Saunders of course.

I agree ………along with cdb, V82, PM and of course RS
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Post by: Ian. on July 05, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.

Yes, that was it. The right hand side came first.

In the classic Villa teams that are the template for this numerical system as those teams are the bona-fide, unchallenged, indisputably correct, final word on how the game should be played, 8 was the support striker (Little, Shaw), while 10 was a midfielder (Cropley, Sid).

Unless you want to disagree with Ron Saunders of course.

I agree ………along with cdb, V82, PM and of course RS
Me2
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
ESR will happen.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2021, 08:09:03 PM
ESR will happen.

A hunch or ITK?
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2021, 08:22:52 PM
Out of interest, are people more familiar with the “6, 8, 10” or Football Manger’s “AMC / DML / AML” options? 
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2021, 08:27:20 PM
Out of interest, are people more familiar with the “6, 8, 10” or Football Manger’s “AMC / DML / AML” options? 

6,8,10 for me.

When I see AMC and AML I think of 70s cars and anti-money laundering courses at work. 
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
What happens with three at the back?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
No.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
This conversation on a Serie A teams forum would be interesting, the stupid numbered divs.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 05, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
      1

2  4  5  3

7  6  8  11

    9  10

You can swap around 8 and 10 if you like.

Is the correct answer.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 05, 2021, 09:29:45 PM
I may be wrong but the first No 4 that I can recall playing centre back for us was Allan Evans.  Before him, it would have been a No 6.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2021, 09:32:49 PM
ESR will happen.

He'll sign a new deal on big terms at Arsenal surely.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 05, 2021, 09:34:50 PM
ESR will happen.



yes and don’t call him shirley 🤔

He'll sign a new deal on big terms at Arsenal surely.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2021, 10:06:59 PM
What happens with three at the back?

RCB, CB, LCB, RWB, LWB, DM, RCM, LCM and 2 x ST

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Post by: Risso on July 05, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
What happens with three at the back?

You try it three times and cdbullyweefan and LeeB appear at midnight and kill you.
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Post by: KevinGage on July 05, 2021, 10:16:29 PM
According to the transfer guru on Sky Sports, there is no chance of Arsenal selling ESR

Is that the one that looks like an alien trying to replicate human behaviour?

Take that to the bank then.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2021, 10:24:46 PM
I'm watching a Villa podcast on YouTube and they're talking about rumours of us signing Cantwell (Todd, seriously?). I haven't seen anything about this one till now. It would make me worry that Grealish is off.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
I don't like his hair. Last time we signed a player whose hair I didn't like was Lansbury, and he turned out to be shite. Mind you, I really liked Carlos Sanchez's hair and he turned out to be shite, too.

Conclusion: footballing ability is more important than hairstyle in terms of assessing whether we should sign players. I will forward my research to the coaching staff.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2021, 10:32:00 PM
I don't like his hair. Last time we signed a player whose hair I didn't like was Lansbury, and he turned out to be shite. Mind you, I really liked Carlos Sanchez's hair and he turned out to be shite, too.

Conclusion: footballing ability is more important than hairstyle in terms of assessing whether we should sign players. I will forward my research to the coaching staff.

Whilst I have no doubts whatsoever about the scientific fundamentals of your system, Carlos Sanchez's hair made him look like an oompa-loompa. And he was the worst player I've ever seen play for us.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
I don't like his hair. Last time we signed a player whose hair I didn't like was Lansbury, and he turned out to be shite. Mind you, I really liked Carlos Sanchez's hair and he turned out to be shite, too.

Conclusion: footballing ability is more important than hairstyle in terms of assessing whether we should sign players. I will forward my research to the coaching staff.

Saying that, if you look at the training pictures today, a couple of the training staff have saucy hair do's as well.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2021, 10:36:03 PM
Mark Kinsella was worse, and he had fairly boring hair. I loved Carlos' barnet.  It was wild and untamed. We'd be playing abysmally and losing at home to some nonsense like Stoke, and I would stare longingly at his hair and instantly be transported to more glamorous, exciting times, like the occasion when we nearly got a draw against Swansea.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 05, 2021, 10:37:00 PM
What happens with three at the back?

Southgate rolls his two 6s.

Think Italians call the three midfield options as regista

https://www.sports-king.com/dictionary.php?q=regista

Trequartistas

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1399609-trequartistas-and-the-5-most-specialist-positions-in-football

And then the holding midfield is the Gentile. It kicks anything that moves. Very very hard.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 05, 2021, 10:41:35 PM
Mark Kinsella was worse, and he had fairly boring hair. I loved Carlos' barnet.  It was wild and untamed. We'd be playing abysmally and losing at home to some nonsense like Stoke, and I would stare longingly at his hair and instantly be transported to more glamorous, exciting times, like the occasion when we nearly got a draw against Swansea.

But Mark Kinsella had been at Charlton for decades, looking like a dad for every one of them. And he wasn't a Colombian called Carlos Sanchez. He (Carlos) let we romantics down badly.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2021, 10:49:38 PM
In my era these were the numbers/positions...

2      5       6     3
            4
7          8        11
           10
            9


I remember that in the days of a number 5 always being a centre half Liverpool always played a midfielder like Ray Kennedy and Ronnie Whelan in the number five shirt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2021, 11:30:54 PM
Carlos Sanchez was as decent as Nakamba until the hour mark when he would always tire. He had a bit of flair about him at least. Unlike some real no-mark midfielders we've had in the last decade (Brett "the Hitman" Holman for one).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2021, 11:55:45 PM
Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.

This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 06, 2021, 12:17:53 AM
Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.

This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.

And me. I thought he just referenced a fucking wrestler. I couldn't for the life of me tell you what he looked like.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2021, 12:29:41 AM
I don't like his hair. Last time we signed a player whose hair I didn't like was Lansbury, and he turned out to be shite. Mind you, I really liked Carlos Sanchez's hair and he turned out to be shite, too.

Conclusion: footballing ability is more important than hairstyle in terms of assessing whether we should sign players. I will forward my research to the coaching staff.

Whilst I have no doubts whatsoever about the scientific fundamentals of your system, Carlos Sanchez's hair made him look like an oompa-loompa. And he was the worst player I've ever seen play for us.

Gary Pisshead Penrice and Marlon F Harewood say hi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2021, 12:59:49 AM
El Ahmadi or however you spell it was one of those who looked o.k in his first 3-4 starts but was then behind Westwood in the pecking order two month later so that was the other Lambert attempt at finding a decent holding midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2021, 08:25:30 AM

Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.


This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.


Paul Lambert did well to find Benteke, and it probably kept him in a job for two years longer than he deserved. Look at these these transfer windows from him otherwise though:


12/13
El Ahmadi
Holman
Tonev
Vlaar
Bennett
Lowton
Westwood
Sylla
Bowery


13/14
Helenius
Okore
Luna
Bacuna
Kozak


14/15
Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson
Aly Cissokho
Scott Sinclair
Carles Gil
Carlos Sanchez


Now some of those did just about OK, and some went on to be better elsewhere, but bloody hell, what an assortment of absolute shite on the most part.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2021, 09:03:29 AM

Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.


This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.


Paul Lambert did well to find Benteke, and it probably kept him in a job for two years longer than he deserved. Look at these these transfer windows from him otherwise though:


12/13
El Ahmadi
Holman
Tonev
Vlaar
Bennett
Lowton
Westwood
Sylla
Bowery


13/14
Helenius
Okore
Luna
Bacuna
Kozak


14/15
Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson
Aly Cissokho
Scott Sinclair
Carles Gil
Carlos Sanchez


Now some of those did just about OK, and some went on to be better elsewhere, but bloody hell, what an assortment of absolute shite on the most part.


Thing is, Lerners rationalisation was in full effect by then. We knew we were a selling club, but probably the extent of the problem wasn't apparent. Those signings are basically a full squad and including Benteke we spent about 41m nett. That equates to under 2m a player and even back then you'd struggle to pull off too many top signings with that sort of budget. I think we spent 100m odd in the following two seasons albeit funded by sales
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 06, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
Christ, what a shower of shit. 

Vlaar and Lowton were probably the only two who were ok for us and we go a few years out of Westwood (I know, I know...).  I thought Okore may come good but it was not to be. 

That list is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 06, 2021, 09:04:50 AM

Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.


This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.


Paul Lambert did well to find Benteke, and it probably kept him in a job for two years longer than he deserved. Look at these these transfer windows from him otherwise though:


12/13
El Ahmadi
Holman
Tonev
Vlaar
Bennett
Lowton
Westwood
Sylla
Bowery


13/14
Helenius
Okore
Luna
Bacuna
Kozak


14/15
Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson
Aly Cissokho
Scott Sinclair
Carles Gil
Carlos Sanchez


Now some of those did just about OK, and some went on to be better elsewhere, but bloody hell, what an assortment of absolute shite on the most part.

That's genuinely hard to read.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 06, 2021, 09:06:22 AM
ESR will happen.

He'll sign a new deal on big terms at Arsenal surely.
whatever way it’s a win win for the lad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2021, 09:10:16 AM
Several of those would vie for a place in my all time list of worst players you've ever seen. Tonev being the pick of a bad bunch, but thankfully he didn't play much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on July 06, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
Where is the joker in chief in that list? And his pocket texting twat of a mate?

Were they 15/16 once Delph and Benteke had bailed?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 09:18:29 AM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2021, 09:25:48 AM
Slightly harsh on Lambert to include Holman who was a McLeish signing but didn't happen until he'd already been sacked.

Vlaar, Lowton, Westwood and Bacuna all did ok given what they cost and with Kozak and Okore injuries meant we never really got a chance to see if they could've been ok as well. Add Benteke as the only good signing and whilst that list is really poor the biggest problem is that we were spreading what money we had so thinly that it was never going to work. The 7 I named along with 3-4 5-10m players and we'd have been much better off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: enigma on July 06, 2021, 09:39:25 AM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.
That was such a weird signing. Even Chesterfield fans couldn't understand why we'd signed him. And to then play him out on the wing was truly baffling.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on July 06, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
I have it on very good authority that McLeish first spotted and scouted Benteke for us to pick up the thread. Lambert was lucky enough to claim the credit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on July 06, 2021, 09:47:15 AM
 

Fucking hell, I'd totally forgotten Brett Holman.


This last ten years, we've had some truly fucking shit players. Absolute dross.


Paul Lambert did well to find Benteke, and it probably kept him in a job for two years longer than he deserved. Look at these these transfer windows from him otherwise though:


12/13
El Ahmadi
Holman
Tonev
Vlaar
Bennett
Lowton
Westwood
Sylla
Bowery


13/14
Helenius
Okore
Luna
Bacuna
Kozak


14/15
Senderos
Joe Cole
Kieran Richardson
Aly Cissokho
Scott Sinclair
Carles Gil
Carlos Sanchez


Now some of those did just about OK, and some went on to be better elsewhere, but bloody hell, what an assortment of absolute shite on the most part.

That's genuinely hard to read.


it does bring it home a bit

maybe Lambert wasn't that bad after all as he kept that lot in the Premier league


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2021, 10:02:03 AM
Several of those would vie for a place in my all time list of worst players you've ever seen. Tonev being the pick of a bad bunch, but thankfully he didn't play much.
surely not “there’s a good player in there somewhere Tonev” ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
I think the figures need context really. Yes, lambert bought loads of crap and someone like DOL did far better on a budget, but then if Smith was given 100m to buy 22 players over 3 seasons, I doubt that would turn out well
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
I don't think he would have bought 22 shit players though. 15 slightly better ones, you'd hope.

Lambert was an absolute charlatan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2021, 10:24:30 AM
I have it on very good authority that McLeish first spotted and scouted Benteke for us to pick up the thread. Lambert was lucky enough to claim the credit.

I thought the story was that we were scouting someone at a Belgian league game (Laurent Depoitre perhaps?). He was rubbish and Benteke was great - so we bought Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 10:25:01 AM
The responses from the Arse fans about our possible third bid for ES-R are highly arrogant and yet amusing.  I’m glad we are pissing them off. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2021, 10:29:55 AM
Christ, what a shower of shit. 

Vlaar and Lowton were probably the only two who were ok for us and we go a few years out of Westwood (I know, I know...).  I thought Okore may come good but it was not to be. 

That list is unbelievable.

Even Vlaar used to piss me off, the big girl's fucking blouse. "Doubtful" for 25 games a season, never played in any of them. Seemingly never missed a game for the Dutch...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2021, 10:36:44 AM
I don't think he would have bought 22 shit players though. 15 slightly better ones, you'd hope.

Lambert was an absolute charlatan.

maybe but that's still only 6.5m a player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on July 06, 2021, 10:37:14 AM
The responses from the Arse fans about our possible third bid for ES-R are highly arrogant and yet amusing.  I’m glad we are pissing them off.

I went on one of their forums yesterday expecting to see what they were saying about it and other than one or two replies they were quite level headed about it. I was quite surprised.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2021, 10:37:30 AM
Christ, what a shower of shit. 

Vlaar and Lowton were probably the only two who were ok for us and we go a few years out of Westwood (I know, I know...).  I thought Okore may come good but it was not to be. 

That list is unbelievable.

Even Vlaar used to piss me off, the big girl's fucking blouse. "Doubtful" for 25 games a season, never played in any of them. Seemingly never missed a game for the Dutch...

Yes, he was shit. He also pissed me off when he left van Persie in acres of space for that volley in 2013 which then got more attention than Lowton's wonder goal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 06, 2021, 10:41:39 AM
I don't think he would have bought 22 shit players though. 15 slightly better ones, you'd hope.

Lambert was an absolute charlatan.

McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde are all symptoms of a deeper rot at the club in those years. The first three wouldn't have even got to manage us if things were right at the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 06, 2021, 10:48:27 AM
Christ, what a shower of shit. 

Vlaar and Lowton were probably the only two who were ok for us and we go a few years out of Westwood (I know, I know...).  I thought Okore may come good but it was not to be. 

That list is unbelievable.

Even Vlaar used to piss me off, the big girl's fucking blouse. "Doubtful" for 25 games a season, never played in any of them. Seemingly never missed a game for the Dutch...

Yes, he was shit. He also pissed me off when he left van Persie in acres of space for that volley in 2013 which then got more attention than Lowton's wonder goal.
True, but in the context of that list, when he did actually play he tended to be a bit less shit than the others.

Lowton was the only one I really liked and would have had back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 06, 2021, 10:57:38 AM
Several of those would vie for a place in my all time list of worst players you've ever seen. Tonev being the pick of a bad bunch, but thankfully he didn't play much.
surely not “there’s a good player in there somewhere Tonev” ;D

Wasn't he signed on recommendation of Petrov?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 06, 2021, 11:19:59 AM
Remember when we signed Aaron Tshibola what a waste of money he was.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 06, 2021, 11:32:54 AM
Several of those would vie for a place in my all time list of worst players you've ever seen. Tonev being the pick of a bad bunch, but thankfully he didn't play much.
surely not “there’s a good player in there somewhere Tonev” ;D

Wasn't he signed on recommendation of Petrov?

He was signed from the Polish league, where he wasn't very good. I asked a few people who follow the league closely and all them were perplexed we'd signed him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Oyvind Leonhardsen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2021, 12:01:06 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

Indeed, my Spireite mate couldn’t believe we bought him and they got a million for him - he basically said he was crap and couldn’t figure out who the gel was seeing any value in him.  So it wasn’t just the players who were crap, it was the whole recruitment team!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
If we're playing Villa Transfer Top Trumps I've got a Villa Scout based in Australia.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: in exile on July 06, 2021, 12:27:38 PM
Remember when we signed Aaron Tshibola what a waste of money he was.
That was on the recommendation of Steve Clark.
Clark later signed him for Kilmarnock and now he has been released.
Utter crap.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2021, 12:35:42 PM
Christ, what a shower of shit. 

Vlaar and Lowton were probably the only two who were ok for us and we go a few years out of Westwood (I know, I know...).  I thought Okore may come good but it was not to be. 

That list is unbelievable.

Even Vlaar used to piss me off, the big girl's fucking blouse. "Doubtful" for 25 games a season, never played in any of them. Seemingly never missed a game for the Dutch...

Yes, he was shit. He also pissed me off when he left van Persie in acres of space for that volley in 2013 which then got more attention than Lowton's wonder goal.

Was that the bastard offside goal? 😡
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on July 06, 2021, 12:52:19 PM
ESR will happen.

He'll sign a new deal on big terms at Arsenal surely.

the whole esr/villa/new contract circus reminds me of the grealish/man city/new contract circus.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2021, 12:53:10 PM
Driven by agents to get paid either way you mean?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 06, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

Indeed, my Spireite mate couldn’t believe we bought him and they got a million for him - he basically said he was crap and couldn’t figure out who the gel was seeing any value in him.  So it wasn’t just the players who were crap, it was the whole recruitment team!

I believe we paid 500k for Bowery not a million.  I just don't get the stick Bowery seems to get from people.  He was a cheap punt that didn't work out and was moved on.  It happens all the time.  Compare that to the money the likes of Richards, Lescott, Kieran Richardson, Shay Given et al cost us and Bowery should never warrant a mention.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2021, 01:19:24 PM
I see Villa have moved swiftly to sign up seven of the under 23 squad today with new contracts. I see Chuck is not amongst them but hopefully they are also talking to him too. Still very quiet on the transfer front!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2021, 01:24:09 PM
Bowery was a step-up from the same transfer policy that saw us take a punt on a player better at tennis, Michael Boulding, a decade earlier.

I get that they were cheap punts that didn't work-out but...how many Premier League teams were doing that sort of thing? Smacks of cheap, small-time mentality.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2021, 01:45:26 PM
Bowery was a step-up from the same transfer policy that saw us take a punt on a player better at tennis, Michael Boulding, a decade earlier.

I get that they were cheap punts that didn't work-out but...how many Premier League teams were doing that sort of thing? Smacks of cheap, small-time mentality.

The answer there is probably most of them but if, for example, Everton sign a kid from league 2 for 500k and let him leave on a free 2-3 years later no one on here is likely to notice.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2021, 01:53:04 PM
2 different questions i think. The answer to worst player we've bought, and worst buy are different.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
We're nicking another kid from the Albion academy, apparantly. Tim Iroegbunam.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2021, 02:48:54 PM
Bowery was a step-up from the same transfer policy that saw us take a punt on a player better at tennis, Michael Boulding, a decade earlier.

I get that they were cheap punts that didn't work-out but...how many Premier League teams were doing that sort of thing? Smacks of cheap, small-time mentality.

The answer there is probably most of them but if, for example, Everton sign a kid from league 2 for 500k and let him leave on a free 2-3 years later no one on here is likely to notice.

But do Everton (or other clubs we're commonly bracketed with - West Ham/Newcastle etc.) give him close to 20 first team appearances before he disappears from whence he came? I'm not so sure. Especially when Bowery wasn't even being touted as a particularly decent prospect.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2021, 02:52:13 PM
Bowery was a step-up from the same transfer policy that saw us take a punt on a player better at tennis, Michael Boulding, a decade earlier.

I get that they were cheap punts that didn't work-out but...how many Premier League teams were doing that sort of thing? Smacks of cheap, small-time mentality.

The answer there is probably most of them but if, for example, Everton sign a kid from league 2 for 500k and let him leave on a free 2-3 years later no one on here is likely to notice.

Plus there's the massive amounts that promising kids get offered to sign with Academies. Harry Forrester, for example, was reputed to be given a contract that would make him a millionaire back in 2007 and I don't suppose Arsenal got Dan Crowley for minimum wage. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2021, 02:52:48 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

I do wonder how those meetings go. Blokes sat around a table getting a report from scout or analysts.

"You know there is lad Jordan Bowery at Chesterfield who looks like he can make the step to the PL. 10 goals in 83 games. Oh he had a loan spell at Barrow where he didn't score and they didn't keep him. But we really should snap him up before Bayern or Barcelona sniff him out"

Lambert pipes up having watched the DVD of him, "he's really excellent, he really is. Get him"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 03:06:49 PM
Did he score a goal that effectively kept us up against Hull or did I dream that?!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2021, 03:07:03 PM
Bowery was a step-up from the same transfer policy that saw us take a punt on a player better at tennis, Michael Boulding, a decade earlier.

I get that they were cheap punts that didn't work-out but...how many Premier League teams were doing that sort of thing? Smacks of cheap, small-time mentality.

The answer there is probably most of them but if, for example, Everton sign a kid from league 2 for 500k and let him leave on a free 2-3 years later no one on here is likely to notice.

But do Everton (or other clubs we're commonly bracketed with - West Ham/Newcastle etc.) give him close to 20 first team appearances before he disappears from whence he came? I'm not so sure. Especially when Bowery wasn't even being touted as a particularly decent prospect.

Maybe, maybe not but you mentioned Boulding who only ever made 2 intertoto appearances for us so the point still stands, most clubs have cheap punts on 16-21 year olds every now and then and the vast majority of them fail. Bowery is a bit of an anomaly in that he was that sort of punt to nothing but Lambert seemed to determined to make it work and kept picking him, which says more about Lambert than it does about Villa.

I picked everton because in the last 5 years they've shown both sides of the random lower league punt, £1.5m on Calvert-Lewin now looks great business whereas a similar punt on Josh Bowler a year later looks just as poor as us signing Boulding, I could pick almost any team and find similar examples. It's also pretty easy to find players of a similar age to Bowery who were signed and given a similar number of games before being discarded, often for a lot more money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2021, 03:19:04 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

I do wonder how those meetings go. Blokes sat around a table getting a report from scout or analysts.

"You know there is lad Jordan Bowery at Chesterfield who looks like he can make the step to the PL. 10 goals in 83 games. Oh he had a loan spell at Barrow where he didn't score and they didn't keep him. But we really should snap him up before Bayern or Barcelona sniff him out"

Lambert pipes up having watched the DVD of him, "he's really excellent, he really is. Get him"

Or maybe they say, "There's a lad at Chesterfield worth taking a punt on." Like there was a lad at Crewe who we sold for a big profit and he's still playing in the Premier League nine years later, or the one at Sheffield United who keeps him company. Or all those others we've picked up over the years; some have made it and some haven't. To put it even further into context - we signed Terry Bullivant for something like £150,000 when our record fee was £300,000. He played about a dozen games for us but you wouldn't use him as any indication of our transfer policy back then.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2021, 03:26:37 PM
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Alex77 on July 06, 2021, 03:37:58 PM
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/

It's great for us (I think) but I do feel a level of sympathy even for them. I don't know anything about the player, but to develop young players to have them taken away with little to no compensation doesn't feel right. Developing youth talent should be encouraged and rewarded and I'm not sure the current system does that. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
I do agree with that by and large.  However, given it is them, I have made an exception so basically fcuk them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2021, 03:49:44 PM
LOL their player of the year too. My old blue nose mate Mark Harrison working his magic again. Growing up he’d have done anything to see us fail. Seeing as we’re now paying him may as well bring the bitters down instead.

Oh and fuck the Albion. Seriously
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2021, 03:50:53 PM
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/

It's great for us (I think) but I do feel a level of sympathy even for them. I don't know anything about the player, but to develop young players to have them taken away with little to no compensation doesn't feel right. Developing youth talent should be encouraged and rewarded and I'm not sure the current system does that. 

Sounds like he's going to be encouraged and rewarded handsomely at Villa!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: itbrvilla on July 06, 2021, 03:53:59 PM
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/

It's great for us (I think) but I do feel a level of sympathy even for them. I don't know anything about the player, but to develop young players to have them taken away with little to no compensation doesn't feel right. Developing youth talent should be encouraged and rewarded and I'm not sure the current system does that. 

Sounds like he's going to be encouraged and rewarded handsomely at Villa!
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/

It's great for us (I think) but I do feel a level of sympathy even for them. I don't know anything about the player, but to develop young players to have them taken away with little to no compensation doesn't feel right. Developing youth talent should be encouraged and rewarded and I'm not sure the current system does that. 
That's why a number 9f clubs have closed their academies.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 06, 2021, 04:01:35 PM
I know it's anecdotal, but haven't more than one club been quite complimentary about the way we've gone about our business when recruiting youngsters?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Smith-Rowe currently trending on Twitter, fuelled purely by our twats engaging in circular arguments with their twats.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2021, 04:09:15 PM
I see Villa have moved swiftly to sign up seven of the under 23 squad today with new contracts. I see Chuck is not amongst them but hopefully they are also talking to him too. Still very quiet on the transfer front!

Chuckwuemeka has already signed the longest contract possible for his age group, I think. I'd expect him to sign another new contract in October when he turns eighteen.
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Post by: OCD on July 06, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
Another kid signed up, one Man Utd wanted - https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/july/young-defender-josh-feeney-joins-premier-league-side-aston-villa/.
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Post by: Drummond on July 06, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
Another kid signed up, one Man Utd wanted - https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/july/young-defender-josh-feeney-joins-premier-league-side-aston-villa/.

At least they didn't retire his shirt number.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2021, 05:13:01 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

I do wonder how those meetings go. Blokes sat around a table getting a report from scout or analysts.

"You know there is lad Jordan Bowery at Chesterfield who looks like he can make the step to the PL. 10 goals in 83 games. Oh he had a loan spell at Barrow where he didn't score and they didn't keep him. But we really should snap him up before Bayern or Barcelona sniff him out"

Lambert pipes up having watched the DVD of him, "he's really excellent, he really is. Get him"

Or maybe they say, "There's a lad at Chesterfield worth taking a punt on." Like there was a lad at Crewe who we sold for a big profit and he's still playing in the Premier League nine years later, or the one at Sheffield United who keeps him company. Or all those others we've picked up over the years; some have made it and some haven't. To put it even further into context - we signed Terry Bullivant for something like £150,000 when our record fee was £300,000. He played about a dozen games for us but you wouldn't use him as any indication of our transfer policy back then.   

Thought you were talking about another lad we signed from Crewe!
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Post by: algy on July 06, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
I know it's anecdotal, but haven't more than one club been quite complimentary about the way we've gone about our business when recruiting youngsters?
The Exeter City chairman said nice things about us after we bought Chrisenne (sp?). But I think you're right, i seem to remember a second club
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Post by: pelty on July 06, 2021, 05:31:56 PM
Saw this on ESPN:

- Aston Villa have received a boost in their pursuit of Axel Tuanzebe with reports that Manchester United would be willing to let the defender go. Football Insider writes that Dean Smith sees Tuanzebe as a first choice centre-back at Villa Park and wants to partner him alongside Tyrone Mings.

In what world would I want Tuanzebe to partner Mings over Konsa? Am I missing something? I just assume these journalists never actually watch the teams about which they write because statements such as this make no sense to me. Or I just rate Konsa more than I ought.
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Post by: Risso on July 06, 2021, 05:34:21 PM
Saw this on ESPN:

- Aston Villa have received a boost in their pursuit of Axel Tuanzebe with reports that Manchester United would be willing to let the defender go. Football Insider writes that Dean Smith sees Tuanzebe as a first choice centre-back at Villa Park and wants to partner him alongside Tyrone Mings.

In what world would I want Tuanzebe to partner Mings over Konsa? Am I missing something? I just assume these journalists never actually watch the teams about which they write because statements such as this make no sense to me. Or I just rate Konsa more than I ought.

No, you're correct. I don't think Football Insider could even be considered a proper news source to be honest. Smith is clearly absolutely delighted with both Konsa and Mings, and I'd be amazed if anybody is brought in other than as cover, for the next couple of seasons at least, barring any sort of injury.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2021, 05:37:40 PM
I see Villa have moved swiftly to sign up seven of the under 23 squad today with new contracts. I see Chuck is not amongst them but hopefully they are also talking to him too. Still very quiet on the transfer front!

Chuckwuemeka has already signed the longest contract possible for his age group, I think. I'd expect him to sign another new contract in October when he turns eighteen.

Good info my friend. Thanks.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 06, 2021, 05:43:13 PM
Another kid signed up, one Man Utd wanted - https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/july/young-defender-josh-feeney-joins-premier-league-side-aston-villa/.

At least they didn't retire his shirt number.

Ha ha. Nice.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2021, 05:43:30 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

I do wonder how those meetings go. Blokes sat around a table getting a report from scout or analysts.

"You know there is lad Jordan Bowery at Chesterfield who looks like he can make the step to the PL. 10 goals in 83 games. Oh he had a loan spell at Barrow where he didn't score and they didn't keep him. But we really should snap him up before Bayern or Barcelona sniff him out"

Lambert pipes up having watched the DVD of him, "he's really excellent, he really is. Get him"

Or maybe they say, "There's a lad at Chesterfield worth taking a punt on." Like there was a lad at Crewe who we sold for a big profit and he's still playing in the Premier League nine years later, or the one at Sheffield United who keeps him company. Or all those others we've picked up over the years; some have made it and some haven't. To put it even further into context - we signed Terry Bullivant for something like £150,000 when our record fee was £300,000. He played about a dozen games for us but you wouldn't use him as any indication of our transfer policy back then.   

Thought you were talking about another lad we signed from Crewe!

Indeed, and at the same time we bought Gareth Williams from Gosport.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on July 06, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
Saw this on ESPN:

- Aston Villa have received a boost in their pursuit of Axel Tuanzebe with reports that Manchester United would be willing to let the defender go. Football Insider writes that Dean Smith sees Tuanzebe as a first choice centre-back at Villa Park and wants to partner him alongside Tyrone Mings.

In what world would I want Tuanzebe to partner Mings over Konsa? Am I missing something? I just assume these journalists never actually watch the teams about which they write because statements such as this make no sense to me. Or I just rate Konsa more than I ought.

No, you're correct. I don't think Football Insider could even be considered a proper news source to be honest. Smith is clearly absolutely delighted with both Konsa and Mings, and I'd be amazed if anybody is brought in other than as cover, for the next couple of seasons at least, barring any sort of injury.

Football Insider and news source do not belong in the same sentence. Football Insider and click bait made up nonsense ****** do however.
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Post by: manic-road on July 06, 2021, 05:54:42 PM
Another kid signed up, one Man Utd wanted - https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/july/young-defender-josh-feeney-joins-premier-league-side-aston-villa/.

Captain of England Under 16 team, hope he continues to improve because he is at a bloody good academy.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 06, 2021, 06:17:49 PM
Tuanzebe would be signed firmly in the right sided "Hause role".  Anything else is utter flannel.

Edited to say: Actually I am now 124.8% convinced that Konsa is off to City along with Jack...and McGinn.
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Post by: Border villan on July 06, 2021, 06:36:08 PM
With the one from Sandwell Town and the Fleetwood Mac signing it looks worryingly as if we are putting some thought into the future.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2021, 06:46:18 PM
Another kid signed up, one Man Utd wanted - https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/2021/july/young-defender-josh-feeney-joins-premier-league-side-aston-villa/.

Captain of England Under 16 team, hope he continues to improve because he is at a bloody good academy.

Just watched him on Youtube; if Jack Grealish was a centre back.
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Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
With the one from Sandwell Town and the Fleetwood Mac signing it looks worryingly as if we are putting some thought into the future.

We don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
I see we are now picking off the cream from our local clubs, lovely

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/06/aston-villa-set-to-sign-west-brom-talent-tim-iroegbunam/

It's great for us (I think) but I do feel a level of sympathy even for them. I don't know anything about the player, but to develop young players to have them taken away with little to no compensation doesn't feel right. Developing youth talent should be encouraged and rewarded and I'm not sure the current system does that. 

On the plus side it actually gives them a legitimate reason to hate us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pelty on July 06, 2021, 06:56:31 PM
Saw this on ESPN:

- Aston Villa have received a boost in their pursuit of Axel Tuanzebe with reports that Manchester United would be willing to let the defender go. Football Insider writes that Dean Smith sees Tuanzebe as a first choice centre-back at Villa Park and wants to partner him alongside Tyrone Mings.

In what world would I want Tuanzebe to partner Mings over Konsa? Am I missing something? I just assume these journalists never actually watch the teams about which they write because statements such as this make no sense to me. Or I just rate Konsa more than I ought.

No, you're correct. I don't think Football Insider could even be considered a proper news source to be honest. Smith is clearly absolutely delighted with both Konsa and Mings, and I'd be amazed if anybody is brought in other than as cover, for the next couple of seasons at least, barring any sort of injury.

Saw this on ESPN:

- Aston Villa have received a boost in their pursuit of Axel Tuanzebe with reports that Manchester United would be willing to let the defender go. Football Insider writes that Dean Smith sees Tuanzebe as a first choice centre-back at Villa Park and wants to partner him alongside Tyrone Mings.

In what world would I want Tuanzebe to partner Mings over Konsa? Am I missing something? I just assume these journalists never actually watch the teams about which they write because statements such as this make no sense to me. Or I just rate Konsa more than I ought.

No, you're correct. I don't think Football Insider could even be considered a proper news source to be honest. Smith is clearly absolutely delighted with both Konsa and Mings, and I'd be amazed if anybody is brought in other than as cover, for the next couple of seasons at least, barring any sort of injury.

Football Insider and news source do not belong in the same sentence. Football Insider and click bait made up nonsense ****** do however.

OK, thank you both. I will be sure to pay no mind to FI from now on!
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Post by: OCD on July 06, 2021, 07:04:35 PM
With the one from Sandwell Town and the Fleetwood Mac signing it looks worryingly as if we are putting some thought into the future.

Not to forget the 7 academy kids that have signed new contracts including Kaine Kessler signing a 5 year contract.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 06, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
Also Sinisalo, who Celtic and Bayern were apparently after
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 06, 2021, 07:53:49 PM
Feeney's certainly got the physique. 6'4" and he's only 16!
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Post by: Exeter 77 on July 06, 2021, 07:55:07 PM
You know you were in trouble when we signed Bowery who had scored 1 goal in about 83 games in the lower leagues.

I do wonder how those meetings go. Blokes sat around a table getting a report from scout or analysts.

"You know there is lad Jordan Bowery at Chesterfield who looks like he can make the step to the PL. 10 goals in 83 games. Oh he had a loan spell at Barrow where he didn't score and they didn't keep him. But we really should snap him up before Bayern or Barcelona sniff him out"

Lambert pipes up having watched the DVD of him, "he's really excellent, he really is. Get him"

Or maybe they say, "There's a lad at Chesterfield worth taking a punt on." Like there was a lad at Crewe who we sold for a big profit and he's still playing in the Premier League nine years later, or the one at Sheffield United who keeps him company. Or all those others we've picked up over the years; some have made it and some haven't. To put it even further into context - we signed Terry Bullivant for something like £150,000 when our record fee was £300,000. He played about a dozen games for us but you wouldn't use him as any indication of our transfer policy back then.   

Thought you were talking about another lad we signed from Crewe!

Indeed, and at the same time we bought Gareth Williams from Gosport.
If I remember correctly both Williams and Platt both made their debuts in a friendly against Monaco (then featuring Mark Hateley and Glenn Hoddle and managed by Arsene Wenger) at Villa Park in late January 1988.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2021, 08:14:39 PM
Also Sinisalo, who Celtic and Bayern were apparently after

I really like the look of him, I'd make him the 3rd keeper for the season, he's played a fair bit of senior football so we can't push him back to 4th choice.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
I'd rather loan him again but with a recall clause so we can bung him on the bench if we get an injury.
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Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2021, 08:24:17 PM
I'd rather loan him again but with a recall clause so we can bung him on the bench if we get an injury.

I think Onodi needs to go out on loan this year so Sinisalo playing U23 and being the 3rd for me, then both will have had a season of senior football by the time they're 20.
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Post by: algy on July 06, 2021, 08:24:30 PM

If I remember correctly both Williams and Platt both made their debuts in a friendly against Monaco (then featuring Mark Hateley and Glenn Hoddle and managed by Arsene Wenger) at Villa Park in late January 1988.
When did mid-season friendlies stop being a thing? I remember us playing Bari in the November (?) after he signed for them, and reading through my dad’s copy of the Santos friendly which was a similar time of year. Don’t remember one after the Bari game, though.

Edit: the Bari friendly was March 92
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2021, 08:29:13 PM
There was nothing in the numbers with Platt or Westwood that suggested that their career to date was awful. Platt had 56 goals in 134 games for Crewe and it was only a jump to Division 2. Westwood was a very different type of midfielder but still had 4 solid years at Crewe. Bowery scored 1 goal every 8 games at Chesterfield. Appranelt a striker. Nothing at all suggest he could make the jump from League 2 to the PL and a be CF a that could help us in any way. It was a stupid decision, not even a punt to spend 500k on that.
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Post by: Dave on July 06, 2021, 08:30:41 PM

If I remember correctly both Williams and Platt both made their debuts in a friendly against Monaco (then featuring Mark Hateley and Glenn Hoddle and managed by Arsene Wenger) at Villa Park in late January 1988.
When did mid-season friendlies stop being a thing? I remember us playing Bari in the November (?) after he signed for them, and reading through my dad’s copy of the Santos friendly which was a similar time of year. Don’t remember one after the Bari game, though.

Edit: the Bari friendly was March 92

I remember going to watch Coventry against Bayern Munich in a friendly in January 1998.

So they were happening then.
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Post by: OCD on July 06, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
I'd rather loan him again but with a recall clause so we can bung him on the bench if we get an injury.

I'm not sure about the rules of loan moves and recalls. I don't know if it's as simple as recalling a player on a Wednesday and being able to play them on a Saturday once the window closes. Maybe his age would save him but an older player wouldn't have been named in the 25-man squad.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2021, 09:13:05 PM

If I remember correctly both Williams and Platt both made their debuts in a friendly against Monaco (then featuring Mark Hateley and Glenn Hoddle and managed by Arsene Wenger) at Villa Park in late January 1988.
When did mid-season friendlies stop being a thing? I remember us playing Bari in the November (?) after he signed for them, and reading through my dad’s copy of the Santos friendly which was a similar time of year. Don’t remember one after the Bari game, though.

Edit: the Bari friendly was March 92

Probably when midweeks started getting filled up with European games.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2021, 12:36:24 AM
Talk of Davis again going out on loan to someone in the championship.

Surely he's got to go out again this time instead of just fudging it and giving him 15 minutes sub cameo every 3rd-4th game we play in the month.

Sign a new striker/front 3 player and have Wes with the late sub cameos and that will be fine up to January.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2021, 12:37:44 AM
I'd rather loan him again but with a recall clause so we can bung him on the bench if we get an injury.

I'm not sure about the rules of loan moves and recalls. I don't know if it's as simple as recalling a player on a Wednesday and being able to play them on a Saturday once the window closes. Maybe his age would save him but an older player wouldn't have been named in the 25-man squad.

It's different for keepers I think. Can recall them within 24 hours if you can prove 2-3 keepers at the club are injured all at same time.

I agree about making Sinsalo number 3 keeper.
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Post by: jwarry on July 07, 2021, 06:27:39 AM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?
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Post by: Dick Edwards on July 07, 2021, 07:00:53 AM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?

Of course they can, it's a done deal for £88m according to sources so it must be true  ::)
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2021, 07:56:52 AM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?

Come on down Harry. We can afford you as we’ve already got the £100 million midfielder,
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2021, 08:16:59 AM
Maybe we can sign De Bruyne or Rodri from them and they can use the money for Kane
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Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2021, 10:09:40 AM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?

Of course they can, it's a done deal for £88m according to sources so it must be true  ::)

Yeah, he's referring to the money-pot now that it's been emptied for Jack  ::)
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Post by: OCD on July 07, 2021, 10:51:06 AM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?

Skint pricks :)
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Post by: villabear on July 07, 2021, 12:08:53 PM
So Pep saying they haven’t got the money to buy a top striker with £100m + being quoted.  Can we assume he can’t afford £100m+ midfielders as well then?

Skint pricks :)

Think I saw them live at The Golden Eagle once. Wrong thread? 😀
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Post by: Mister E on July 07, 2021, 12:44:45 PM
Talk of Davis again going out on loan to someone in the championship.
Surely he's got to go out again this time instead of just fudging it and giving him 15 minutes sub cameo every 3rd-4th game we play in the month.
Sign a new striker/front 3 player and have Wes with the late sub cameos and that will be fine up to January.
Totally.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 07, 2021, 12:51:53 PM
There's someone on twitter under the name 'Villa Network' claiming ESR will hapen   I'm pretty sure it's the same Blue nose who wound people up at the last window, with a big reveal that he had strung them along.  People are so naive and keep feeding the troll.
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Post by: Rigadon on July 07, 2021, 12:56:56 PM
There's someone on twitter under the name 'Villa Network' claiming ESR will hapen   I'm pretty sure it's the same Blue nose who wound people up at the last window, with a big reveal that he had strung them along.  People are so naive and keep feeding the troll.

Have these people got got anything better to do?  It's bizarre behavior. 
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Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2021, 01:29:02 PM
I have no idea who that person is and have never seen a single tweet from them but on this I agree with them, I think ESR will be a Villa player within a couple of weeks. They need sales to fund their own signings and they're struggling to get any money for players they want to let go which is why they keep saying no but not closing the door, eventually they're going to accept they need to take the money on offer so they can get started on their business.
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Post by: AV82EC on July 07, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
I blocked Villa Network about 4 days ago, another bullshitting ITK fantasist.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 07, 2021, 01:44:48 PM
Numerous Arsenal sources saying ESR news tonight.

My gut feeling is that he’ll sign a new contract with them.
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Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!
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Post by: andyh on July 07, 2021, 03:00:24 PM
Numerous Arsenal sources saying ESR news tonight.

My gut feeling is that he’ll sign a new contract with them.
There were villa ‘sources’ saying something (positive for us) might happen on Wednesday too.
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Post by: Stu on July 07, 2021, 03:24:30 PM
Numerous Arsenal sources saying ESR news tonight.

My gut feeling is that he’ll sign a new contract with them.

He was apparently meeting with their manager last night, so I expect he'll be staying at Arsenal.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2021, 03:24:47 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.
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Post by: Risso on July 07, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Numerous Arsenal sources saying ESR news tonight.

My gut feeling is that he’ll sign a new contract with them.

He was apparently meeting with their manager last night, so I expect he'll be staying at Arsenal.

Or, ta-ra a bit.
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Post by: Dave on July 07, 2021, 03:32:09 PM
If we get him, great. If not, it's still pretty exciting to know that we've got £30m+ that we are aiming to chuck at another attacking midfielder.
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Post by: Risso on July 07, 2021, 03:34:05 PM
If we get him, great. If not, it's still pretty exciting to know that we've got £30m+ that we are aiming to chuck at another attacking midfielder.

I think we can get him AND still have £30m+ to chuck at other players!
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 07, 2021, 03:38:07 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.





So are we.

Have a word Juan
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Post by: Dave on July 07, 2021, 03:42:16 PM
If we get him, great. If not, it's still pretty exciting to know that we've got £30m+ that we are aiming to chuck at another attacking midfielder.

I think we can get him AND still have £30m+ to chuck at other players!

I'm sure we could. It's not exciting that we have lots of money (well, it is) it's exciting that we're still planning to buy an expensive, fun player that we (on here, not the club) probably don't have any idea yet of whom.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 03:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

This looks like it could happen. River Plate have just signed Braian Romero (right winger/striker) who looks to be his replacement.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 07, 2021, 03:53:57 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either. It feels like only 10 mins ago we were signing Tonev.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 07, 2021, 03:59:32 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.
Ha, nice one!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 04:11:24 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either.

I hope so, the only doubt I have is we've heard nothing in weeks. The tweet Drummond posted is a rehash of the original link. Maybe everybody has to wait until after Saturday night's Copa America Final.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Border villan on July 07, 2021, 04:23:09 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.

The clubs full name is;

Quien quiere ser millionario
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2021, 04:28:20 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.
Ha, nice one!

Agreed, good work, squire.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2021, 04:30:01 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.

The clubs full name is;

Quien quiere ser millionario

Ha!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 07, 2021, 04:33:12 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either.

I hope so, the only doubt I have is we've heard nothing in weeks. The tweet Drummond posted is a rehash of the original link. Maybe everybody has to wait until after Saturday night's Copa America Final.

How come he wasn’t  even in the squad last night then?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!

Will be difficult to match his wages. His current club sound very rich.

The clubs full name is;

Quien quiere ser millionario

Now that LeeB has put it in my head from the Emi thread - "Heth-eth-eth-eth-eth-Krees-Waddil-Tarrant"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 07, 2021, 04:43:05 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!


forgive my ignorance is that a lot or not for followers ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2021, 04:45:06 PM
I was thinking the same when I read that! Pretty high for a "speculator", I guess.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either.

I hope so, the only doubt I have is we've heard nothing in weeks. The tweet Drummond posted is a rehash of the original link. Maybe everybody has to wait until after Saturday night's Copa America Final.

How come he wasn’t  even in the squad last night then?

Erm..because until now you're not allowed 12 or 13 subs. The fact is he is in the Argentina squad for the tournament and will be until after the game on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2021, 04:46:54 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1412409229009379333?s=20

Villa and Ajax in for Alvarez

He's got 149k followers!


forgive my ignorance is that a lot or not for followers ?

That's a lot for a reporter. And I should have been clear that's who I meant, just to add credence to the link...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2021, 04:47:24 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either.

I hope so, the only doubt I have is we've heard nothing in weeks. The tweet Drummond posted is a rehash of the original link. Maybe everybody has to wait until after Saturday night's Copa America Final.

How come he wasn’t  even in the squad last night then?

Because they have loads of other good ones to choose from. But players like him and Buendia are a big part of the future in Argentina
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2021, 04:55:20 PM
I think it’s more likely that we end up signing Alvarez than ESR.

I’d take either.

I hope so, the only doubt I have is we've heard nothing in weeks. The tweet Drummond posted is a rehash of the original link. Maybe everybody has to wait until after Saturday night's Copa America Final.

How come he wasn’t  even in the squad last night then?

Because they have loads of other good ones to choose from. But players like him and Buendia are a big part of the future in Argentina

Indeed. Alvarez made the final 28 man squad, Buendia the provisional 34 but not the final cut. His day will come.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 07, 2021, 06:26:54 PM
I would love Alvarez to sign he's a really good player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 07, 2021, 07:24:43 PM
If Buendia can replicate Martinez’s stunning rise, it’ll happen sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 07, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
Maybe we can sign De Bruyne or Rodri from them and they can use the money for Kane
both.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on July 08, 2021, 06:37:05 AM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2021, 07:51:25 AM
A post to bookmark and reflect on in a few months time when people think Bunedia is just a good championship player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 08, 2021, 07:52:16 AM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6
A bit harsh, seeing as neither has kicked a ball for us yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 08, 2021, 08:03:35 AM
Happy days, but nothing like a post from Sid to bring us down to earth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2021, 08:45:55 AM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)
Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6
You might not be impressed by Buendia, but his stats from his Premier League season were impressive, as they were last season in the Championship.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2021, 09:24:14 AM
Buendia is an excellent player and will be a big hit for us.

Been reported in a few places yesterday that Sterling is for sale. As unrealistic as it is, it is the sort of statement Man City were making when they got Robinho, and Chelsea made when they got Gullit. Been linked with mid table Arsenal, so maybe we should put a bid in.

More realistically the Alvarez link hasn't gone away, would be an exciting signing and give us something different.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on July 08, 2021, 09:35:17 AM
Buendia is an excellent player and will be a big hit for us.

Been reported in a few places yesterday that Sterling is for sale. As unrealistic as it is, it is the sort of statement Man City were making when they got Robinho, and Chelsea made when they got Gullit. Been linked with mid table Arsenal, so maybe we should put a bid in.

More realistically the Alvarez link hasn't gone away, would be an exciting signing and give us something different.

I think a lot of us are waiting for that statement signing. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: caster troy on July 08, 2021, 09:38:17 AM
Until we can offer Champions league football I don't think we should be unhappy with signing the best player in the Championship. That was Grealish two years ago and he is doing pretty well for us now.

The one area we are still short is up front, ideally I think we need someone who can deputise for Ollie or play on the wing. If the plan is for Jack to be mostly on the left, we need to replace Barkley too, I'd like an experienced player there who we can rotate with Chukwuemeka.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
Buendia looked an outstanding talent to me in the PL and backed it up with an excellent season in the Chapionship.

If we're going to look at that as a yardstick, then by your analysis (Sid) Jack was really just a championship player when we got promoted, so was probably going to be a bit shit too.  Same for Ollie I guess, but prob even shitter as he hadn't played PL at all.

I think Buendia is our most exciting signing for years and I can't wait to see him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tony scott on July 08, 2021, 10:20:48 AM
It is interesting to see how Jack performs if new talented players provide with different attacking options?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy65 on July 08, 2021, 10:35:07 AM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6

Watkins and Konsa prove there is real quality in the championship
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 08, 2021, 10:54:47 AM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6

Watkins and Konsa prove there is real quality in the championship

Exactly and also to call Buendia a “good championship player” is a little bit of an understatement as he’s now part of Argentinian national team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on July 08, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Buendia had the best stats in the Premier League 2 seasons ago and followed it by having the best in the Championship. He's a good player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6

Watkins and Konsa prove there is real quality in the championship

Exactly and also to call Buendia a “good championship player” is a little bit of an understatement as he’s now part of Argentinian national team.

*Extended squad and then dropped but...yeah. We'll have him as pivotal to the national team as our Emi The First in no time.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2021, 03:13:48 PM


Watkins and Konsa prove there is real quality in the championship
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Bellingham looked ok too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Andy Poole on July 08, 2021, 04:34:04 PM
From ESPN. Whilst it doesn't mention ESR, it's more fuel to the fire that says Arsenal need to sell to buy.

"Arsenal are considering reviving their pursuit of Lyon's Houssem Aouar but will need to offload at least one more midfielder before making a formal offer, sources have told ESPN.

It is understood that the 23-year-old is on the Gunners' shortlist but contrary to reports in France, they are yet to make a firm bid this summer.

That is at least in part because Arsenal are looking to overhaul their midfield options and need to move existing players on before pursuing other targets.

Matteo Guendouzi has joined Marseille in an initial loan deal which is expected to become permanent while the club are in talks over Granit Xhaka's move to Roma and are also open to offers for Lucas Torreira.

Martin Odegaard will not be returning after his loan spell from Real Madrid ended while there is uncertainty over the futures of Ainsley Maitland-Niles and Joe Willock among others.

The Gunners are in advanced talks to sign Albert Sambi Lokonga from Anderlecht -- with the two clubs are thought to be on the brink of agreeing a fee of around £15m plus add-ons -- but any further outgoings would help generate space funds for a move to sign Aouar.

Sources have told ESPN that Lyon would be willing to accept a fee in the region of €25m. It is also claimed that the Gunners are likely to face competition from several clubs including Paris Saint-Germain and an unnamed Spanish team.

However, Aouar, who has two years remaining on his contract, is thought to be open to a move to the Premier League and would not rule out a move to Arsenal on the basis they cannot offer European football.

Lyon's valuation of Aouar has dropped considerably from last year when Arsenal first expressed serious interest. The Ligue 1 side were demanding €60m but the Gunners made one offer of €35m which was rejected.

Sources told ESPN in January that Aouar was surprised Arsenal did not make more of a concerted attempt to sign him and at that time he was eager on a move to Barcelona or Real Madrid.

However, it appears interest from those clubs is yet to materalise at this stage and Arsenal may have an opportunity to complete a deal for a player who made 33 appearances for Lyon last season, registering eight goals and four assists, as they missed out on Champions League qualification by two points, finishing fourth in Ligue 1"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 08, 2021, 05:03:07 PM
Hopefully we will soon sign a player this summer that is going to push us towards a European spot (so far our 2 signings I am not impressed with, a good Championship player and a player who is here to top up his pension, I honestly thought that the signing of those type of players were in the past)

Lets hope that we will soon see a sign from the club of ambition to get us into the top 6, because those 2 signings are not getting us anywhere near the top 6

Watkins and Konsa prove there is real quality in the championship
so do McGinn, Mings and Grealish. They’d hardly kicked a ball between them in The Premier League before we got promoted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 08, 2021, 05:20:23 PM
Maybe we should just sign Aouar instead.
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Post by: Risso on July 08, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
Who are Brentford sniffing around this year?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2021, 06:19:48 PM
Who are Brentford sniffing around this year?

Always worth watching.

That Olise going to Palace for under £10 million looks a bargain.
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Post by: OCD on July 08, 2021, 06:25:07 PM
I know we can't sign every good player but he would have been good to add to the squad.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 08, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Maybe we should just sign Aouar instead.

Was thinking the same. Cheaper, more experienced and better (from what I’ve seen) than ESR.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 08, 2021, 08:20:24 PM
Maybe we should just sign Aouar instead.

No thanks, it would make us all sound like Bristol City fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 08, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
Assuming we will hear more about Grealish and possible Julian Alvarez transfer once the Finals are out of the way on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2021, 08:47:28 PM
Alvarez sounds like a good idea with his versatility.
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Post by: OCD on July 08, 2021, 09:33:51 PM
Being linked with Pape Matar Sarr again too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on July 08, 2021, 09:35:01 PM
Seen a bit of Sambi Lokonga at Anderlecht over the last few seasons and at that price it's a steal.

The sort of energetic CM I'd be happy for us to be in for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2021, 09:44:59 PM
Being linked with Pape Matar Sarr again too.

I really hope there's some legs in that one, he looks like a fantastic prospect who'd be ready for games within months, in a few years him, Chuk, ESR, Ramsey, Ramsey and Raikhy as midfield options would be a great mix of homegrown talent and smart signings. They might not all make it but with that many options you're loading the deck in your favour.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2021, 09:53:44 PM
Being linked with Pape Matar Sarr again too.

says we wont pay 22 million for him . .        probably bs
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Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2021, 10:19:37 PM
More likely don't want to, and will try and negotiate down. As much as we like early business, the pressure to get bodies in early is not the same as the last 2 seasons.

Sarr looks a real prospect so I do hope it comes off, likewise Alvarez. A good number 10, even on loan, would be nice then. Surprised we are not going for Perriera from Albion. Can't see Smith Rowe happening in a month of sundays.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on July 09, 2021, 06:49:33 AM
I agree the likes of Watkins / Cash have done well for us and taken us to 11th in the Premier league, but to get towards the top 6 we need far more quality in our starting 11

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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 09, 2021, 06:51:07 AM
Seen a bit of Sambi Lokonga at Anderlecht over the last few seasons and at that price it's a steal.

The sort of energetic CM I'd be happy for us to be in for.
Arsenal are after him apparently. Wonder if that’s because they’re losing a player 👀
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 08:07:51 AM
I agree the likes of Watkins / Cash have done well for us and taken us to 11th in the Premier league, but to get towards the top 6 we need far more quality in our starting 11

We would have been top six if Grealish hadn't got injured, we've just spent £40 million on improving our first team, and bought in a player to add experience and squad depth, and are likely to add at least one or two big money signings to add to the first team. It's only July.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2021, 08:54:26 AM
Not sure if I wouldn't rather we sign Pape Sarr and Julian Alvarez for 35M, than ESR.

2 promising players, seems like better odds than 1 promising player.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
GET. THEM. ALL.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
Not sure if I wouldn't rather we sign Pape Sarr and Julian Alvarez for 35M, than ESR.

2 promising players, seems like better odds than 1 promising player.

Even better odds with all three.
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Post by: algy on July 09, 2021, 10:42:57 AM
Not sure if I wouldn't rather we sign Pape Sarr and Julian Alvarez for 35M, than ESR.

2 promising players, seems like better odds than 1 promising player.
I mean, I think we should sign all of them.

But ESR will have less settling in time - there's no danger of cultural problems, he could probably commute in from London for a while if settling was that much of an issue.  So I'd say Pape Sarr and Alvarez are both higher risk than ESR as signings.  Also, signing ESR makes Arsenal - one of (currently) our direct rivals - weaker.  And the importance of that can't be underestimated.

So if we genuinely were limited to an either/or situation, I'd probably go for Smith Rowe.  I really don't think we were far off top 6 last season, and if we can hit the ground running we'll be in with an even bigger shout this time around.
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Post by: Dave on July 09, 2021, 11:45:06 AM
 Nice little write-up from F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-aston-villa-emile-smith-rowe-martinez-buendia) on the Smith-Rowe stuff.

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There’s an interesting little rivalry emerging between Arsenal and Aston Villa.

On the one hand, it’s not really that surprising – they always seem to spend a good chunk of the year locked together in the table; it’s just that generally it’s the part of the season before any games are played. More recently, Villa quite literally weren’t in Arsenal’s league

Now they are, and they are making noise.

Arsenal sold the wrong goalkeeper when allowing Villa to get their hands on Emi Martinez. Arsenal let him slip through their fingers like, well, you can finish that joke for yourself. This summer Villa have already signed Arsenal target Emi Buendia from Norwich, meeting the Canaries’ asking price when the Gunners would not.

Who made the right call there, only time will tell. But what is clear is that Villa were a nuisance to Arsenal even before they started trying to sign Emile Smith Rowe. If they pull that off, we’re looking at a fully fledged rivalry. It shows just how ambitious Villa are, having got themselves back where they really ought to be. But there’s no denying it also shows just how far Arsenal done fell.

Out of Europe for the first time in a quarter of a century and now getting bantered off by a club that was in the Championship a couple of years ago. Martinez has already called joining Villa from Arsenal “a step up” in his career and Smith Rowe could be next.

He’s an interesting one. There’s no doubting that he has plenty of talent, but were Arsenal not in such dire straits he would not be the great white hope that he has become. He’s the sort of player that your Barcelonas or Real Madrids would cheerfully sell for £25m while making sure they had a favourable buy-back clause in place.

But Arsenal fans are reacting like losing Smith Rowe would be like losing a limb. There’s always extra affection and greater desire for youngsters who come through the ranks to succeed, but Smith Rowe currently has importance and value invested in him that doesn’t quite tally with reality. He has scored two Premier League goals. Even in a historically poor Arsenal side, he has been something approaching a regular for just six months.

He’s a talented and promising young player who has a relatively high ceiling but thus far little top-flight evidence that he is there for the long haul. He is not Bukayo Saka, who is a full year younger than his team-mate and already a bona fide local boy made good.

It’s easy enough to see why Villa would be interested in signing Smith Rowe and why Arsenal would be reluctant to sell. It’s not quite so easy to see why both seem quite so very determined.

But the very fact that a player who Arsenal don’t want to sell could still end up at Villa is revealing in itself. When we all leave our Euros fever dream and the cold light of domestic results takes over our lives once again, it might be that this nascent rivalry is exposed as a sham. That Arsenal retain enough of their lustre to keep a resurgent Villa at bay.

Yet right now there is nothing really tangible that makes Arsenal a better bet for any player than Villa. And that’s not just because the season hasn’t started yet.
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Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
Nice little write-up from F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-aston-villa-emile-smith-rowe-martinez-buendia) on the Smith-Rowe stuff.

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There’s an interesting little rivalry emerging between Arsenal and Aston Villa.

On the one hand, it’s not really that surprising – they always seem to spend a good chunk of the year locked together in the table; it’s just that generally it’s the part of the season before any games are played. More recently, Villa quite literally weren’t in Arsenal’s league ...

... Yet right now there is nothing really tangible that makes Arsenal a better bet for any player than Villa. And that’s not just because the season hasn’t started yet.
I like the message here: it asks the question - "what will ESR add to a Villa side that cannot be gained from either existing Villa players or other transfer targets?"
As others have said, bringing in Alvarez and Sarr offers clear added value to the squad - Alvarez is a tricky attacking player, and Sarr beings a little more backbone. ESR is perhaps only another option to Luiz, MGinn, Sanson, Ramsey and Chuky.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Nice little write-up from F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-aston-villa-emile-smith-rowe-martinez-buendia) on the Smith-Rowe stuff.

Quote
There’s an interesting little rivalry emerging between Arsenal and Aston Villa.

On the one hand, it’s not really that surprising – they always seem to spend a good chunk of the year locked together in the table; it’s just that generally it’s the part of the season before any games are played. More recently, Villa quite literally weren’t in Arsenal’s league ...

... Yet right now there is nothing really tangible that makes Arsenal a better bet for any player than Villa. And that’s not just because the season hasn’t started yet.
I like the message here: it asks the question - "what will ESR add to a Villa side that cannot be gained from either existing Villa players or other transfer targets?"
As others have said, bringing in Alvarez and Sarr offers clear added value to the squad - Alvarez is a tricky attacking player, and Sarr beings a little more backbone. ESR is perhaps only another option to Luiz, MGinn, Sanson, Ramsey and Chuky.

More a replacement for Ross B I’d say.
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Post by: andyh on July 09, 2021, 04:41:14 PM
ESR signing a new contract and staying……apparently.
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Post by: jwarry on July 09, 2021, 04:58:52 PM
ESR signing a new contract and staying……apparently.

Yes appears we have been played by his agent, but you never say never
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 05:01:52 PM
Well, we haven't, because we aren't having to give him a massive payrise, the can't be arsed to stay till the end of a cup final Tarquins are. How sad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 09, 2021, 05:09:40 PM
ESR signing a new contract and staying……apparently.

Not the desired outcome but at least we can draw a line underneath that one and move onto the next target. The worst outcome would have been for it to drag over the summer and end up with nobody.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2021, 05:13:33 PM
Arsenal fans are a very odd group, the twitter messages over this are bizarre.

As for ESR I'd have liked him, good player, but the fee was getting a bit silly really and I don't think he's the sort of player we won't find an alternative to.
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Post by: andyh on July 09, 2021, 05:33:55 PM
I’d rather have JWP anyway and really hope we are in for him, although there have been no whispers or rumours for a while now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 05:36:10 PM
I like the sound of Alvarez. You can't have too many flashy South Americans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: manic-road on July 09, 2021, 06:02:35 PM
Aston Villa have signed Ajani Burchall for "a substantial undisclosed compensation fee" from Bournemouth. The 16-year-old winger made his Championship debut against Huddersfield in December 2020.
The last player we signed from Bournemouth has turned out to be a cracking signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 09, 2021, 06:22:00 PM
I agree entirely, I’d much prefer Alvarez over ESR.

Fingers crossed that it goes ahead.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 09, 2021, 07:25:57 PM
Nice little write-up from F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-aston-villa-emile-smith-rowe-martinez-buendia) on the Smith-Rowe stuff.
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There’s an interesting little rivalry emerging between Arsenal and Aston Villa.

On the one hand, it’s not really that surprising – they always seem to spend a good chunk of the year locked together in the table; it’s just that generally it’s the part of the season before any games are played. More recently, Villa quite literally weren’t in Arsenal’s league ...

... Yet right now there is nothing really tangible that makes Arsenal a better bet for any player than Villa. And that’s not just because the season hasn’t started yet.
I like the message here: it asks the question - "what will ESR add to a Villa side that cannot be gained from either existing Villa players or other transfer targets?"
As others have said, bringing in Alvarez and Sarr offers clear added value to the squad - Alvarez is a tricky attacking player, and Sarr beings a little more backbone. ESR is perhaps only another option to Luiz, MGinn, Sanson, Ramsey and Chuky.
More a replacement for Ross B I’d say.
I'd say the players in my list are an alternative to Barkley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
Nice little write-up from F365 (https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-aston-villa-emile-smith-rowe-martinez-buendia) on the Smith-Rowe stuff.
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There’s an interesting little rivalry emerging between Arsenal and Aston Villa.

On the one hand, it’s not really that surprising – they always seem to spend a good chunk of the year locked together in the table; it’s just that generally it’s the part of the season before any games are played. More recently, Villa quite literally weren’t in Arsenal’s league ...

... Yet right now there is nothing really tangible that makes Arsenal a better bet for any player than Villa. And that’s not just because the season hasn’t started yet.
I like the message here: it asks the question - "what will ESR add to a Villa side that cannot be gained from either existing Villa players or other transfer targets?"
As others have said, bringing in Alvarez and Sarr offers clear added value to the squad - Alvarez is a tricky attacking player, and Sarr beings a little more backbone. ESR is perhaps only another option to Luiz, MGinn, Sanson, Ramsey and Chuky.
More a replacement for Ross B I’d say.
I'd say the players in my list are an alternative to Barkley.

Maybe, but they didn’t really alternate with him in that position last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2021, 08:06:09 PM
We targeted a good player, had encouragement and ultimately forced the Tarquins to hand out a much larger contract than they anticipated. Never mind.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 09, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
We targeted a good player, had encouragement and ultimately forced the Tarquins to hand pit a much larger contract than they anticipated. Never mind.
that helps skint Arsenal even more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 09, 2021, 08:22:18 PM
Yep, the skint rats have only just recently done a 0% balance transfer of one huge loan, like a bag head maxing out his Capital One as he goes to Ocean Finance. We see you Arsenal and we'll see you in our rear view mirror come May.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2021, 11:39:51 PM
I wonder if the likes of Winks are a plan B and we are still chasing our plan A. Is JWP plan A?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2021, 12:07:07 AM
I wonder if the likes of Winks are a plan B and we are still chasing our plan A. Is JWP plan A?

I hope Winks is Plan ZZ, frankly, absolute waste of space.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tony scott on July 10, 2021, 05:42:55 AM
I think to move up into the top six, another good striker is a must, and a midfield cover for J G ,two more players will do. I’m not sure we’re going to do this. It’ll be interesting to see how Jacob Ramsey plays this season I think he could surprise a few.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 10, 2021, 08:26:05 AM
Aston Villa have signed Ajani Burchall for "a substantial undisclosed compensation fee" from Bournemouth. The 16-year-old winger made his Championship debut against Huddersfield in December 2020.
The last player we signed from Bournemouth has turned out to be a cracking signing.

Looks a decent punt. Must have something about him if he's played in the premiership at 16.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 10, 2021, 08:57:28 AM
Aston Villa have signed Ajani Burchall for "a substantial undisclosed compensation fee" from Bournemouth. The 16-year-old winger made his Championship debut against Huddersfield in December 2020.
The last player we signed from Bournemouth has turned out to be a cracking signing.

Looks a decent punt. Must have something about him if he's played in the premiership at 16.
The big question is whether or not Bournemouth are going to retire his shirt number.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2021, 12:40:20 PM
Maybe, but they didn’t really alternate with him in that position last season.
True, although they all have the capability to do so, if Deano chooses to see that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Argentine media saying we're making a €10m bid for Álvarez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2021, 05:05:22 PM
He's meant to have a $15m release clause. If that's true, we don't need to bother with bidding, just offer the sum that triggers the clause.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on July 10, 2021, 05:12:56 PM
He's meant to have a $15m release clause. If that's true, we don't need to bother with bidding, just offer the sum that triggers the clause.

Yes but what if somebody outbi...........
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 10, 2021, 05:41:09 PM
West Ham and AC Milan are the other clubs mentioned.

Let's hope the 'more than 10m euros' is the buy out clause and we close this one on Monday morning.

Just remembered he's third party owned. No idea how that works or what percentages are involved.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
Messi is a free-agent....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 10, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
Let's just sign Argentina.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DB on July 10, 2021, 07:04:32 PM
Arse maybe going for Maddison..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2021, 07:08:53 PM
Arse maybe going for Maddison..

Until reality hits and they were never in for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2021, 07:29:54 PM
Arse maybe going for Maddison..

Until reality hits and they were never in for him.
until he realises he's already at a better club with better players
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
Arse maybe going for Maddison..

Until reality hits and they were never in for him.
until he realises he's already at a better club with better players
This. Arse are deluded.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on July 10, 2021, 08:19:48 PM
Arse maybe going for Maddison..

Until reality hits and they were never in for him.
until he realises he's already at a better club with better players

If Leicester are willing to let him go I wouldn’t mind us trying to bring him in
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Let's just sign Argentina.

With their inability to pay off debt they're more a Small Heath type of signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2021, 11:25:22 AM
@villareport
Julián Álvarez’s representative is in England. An offer from Aston Villa will arrive in the coming days.
[@TNTSportsAR] #avfc
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2021, 11:34:11 AM
Cheers for the update, hopefully positive news. When I searched for Julian Alvarez and Villa this came up.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d13954375-Reviews-Croque_Madame-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 11, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
Cheers for the update, hopefully positive news. When I searched for Julian Alvarez and Villa this came up.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d13954375-Reviews-Croque_Madame-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html

But it also mentions Crespo there. Another one filed under the “Tonev” bin - as in, did we really have him?

The Alvarez rumours are really gathering pace today. I’m genuinely excited about this one if it comes off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 11, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
@villareport
Julián Álvarez’s representative is in England. An offer from Aston Villa will arrive in the coming days.
[@TNTSportsAR] #avfc

Well well well well well well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
The Argentine Gary Shaw coming home. From the way he's been described he is the ideal back up to Watkins or complement to Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2021, 11:58:28 AM
That’s settled it I definitely don’t want him now.



Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
·
1h
NEWCASTLE. Bruce wants Will Hughes from Watford. His transfer team don’t. See who wins that fight.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 11, 2021, 12:05:04 PM
Fake news. Everyone knows the cabbage handles all of Bruce's transfer deals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2021, 12:26:02 PM
Cheers for the update, hopefully positive news. When I searched for Julian Alvarez and Villa this came up.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d13954375-Reviews-Croque_Madame-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html

But it also mentions Crespo there. Another one filed under the “Tonev” bin - as in, did we really have him?

The Alvarez rumours are really gathering pace today. I’m genuinely excited about this one if it comes off.

I noticed that too. He also started off at River Plate so maybe it's a sign even if we face a battle to get him, appropriately enough against Ajax (don't think Exeter are interested). :)
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Post by: Moonraker on July 11, 2021, 12:39:57 PM
That is absolutely brilliant BV!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 11, 2021, 12:43:04 PM
i'm still a bit confused about the excitement about Alvarez personally. He may well be ace an all, but he's played about 20 games with the scoring record of a common Davis.. Is it because he's from Argentina?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
i'm still a bit confused about the excitement about Alvarez personally. He may well be ace an all, but he's played about 20 games with the scoring record of a common Davis.. Is it because he's from Argentina?

Heh.

Julián Álvarez -  7 goals in 15 appearances last season
Keinan Davis - 6 goals in 85 appearances over 5 seasons
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2021, 01:04:55 PM
stats can make El Ghazi look like a top player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 11, 2021, 01:10:09 PM
i'm still a bit confused about the excitement about Alvarez personally. He may well be ace an all, but he's played about 20 games with the scoring record of a common Davis.. Is it because he's from Argentina?

The answer is potential

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 11, 2021, 01:14:40 PM
stats can make El Ghazi look like a top player.
I thought he was a top player last season. Dug is out of a whole a fair few times.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
YouTube video by 'EM Productions'. Good to see Agent Emi's involved. 8)
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Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2021, 01:31:52 PM
i'm still a bit confused about the excitement about Alvarez personally. He may well be ace an all, but he's played about 20 games with the scoring record of a common Davis.. Is it because he's from Argentina?

Heh.

Julián Álvarez -  7 goals in 15 appearances last season
Keinan Davis - 6 goals in 85 appearances over 5 seasons


Close run thing then.
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 11, 2021, 02:29:05 PM
Two-footed!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2021, 02:43:05 PM
stats can make El Ghazi look like a top player.
I thought he was a top player last season. Dug is out of a whole a fair few times.
he did well at times - but stats don't tell the whole story...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
I miss the lad/lass that used to post about medicals being booked, always caused a bit of excitement.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
Wasnt there a poster that knew about all the flights that were coming into Birmingham too?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2021, 04:36:29 PM
I miss the lad/lass that used to post about medicals being booked, always caused a bit of excitement.

Vinnie's still about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2021, 04:57:34 PM
Wasnt there a poster that knew about all the flights that were coming into Birmingham too?

Trees (exclusive to Villatalk, H&V didn't even attempt to pay his get-out clause).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2021, 05:17:04 PM
I miss the lad/lass that used to post about medicals being booked, always caused a bit of excitement.

Vinnie's still about.

Is it our own Vinnie Chase?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
You can't catch our Vinne Chase for scoops.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
I don’t believe anything now until I get confirmation of the whereabouts of Randy’s air motor or from Percy. Either will do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 11, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Radio chatter in the background from Argentina says Alvarez is agreed for around €9 million.

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Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2021, 06:50:32 PM
Radio chatter in the background from Argentina says Alvarez is agreed for around €9 million.



That's buttons these days, well worth a punt at that price.
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Post by: Ads on July 11, 2021, 06:53:35 PM
Less than JPA 20 years ago.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 11, 2021, 06:53:55 PM
That’s what I think too. I wonder if the 2 Agents Emi had a word with him…

Just dreaming of 3 full Argentine internationals in a Villa team, 2 Brazilian internationals and 3 England internationals. Not to mention Scotland and those knocking on the door of a call up.

I feel rather dizzy.
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Post by: Ads on July 11, 2021, 06:56:08 PM
Do you live down that way?
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2021, 07:00:43 PM
Radio chatter in the background from Argentina says Alvarez is agreed for around €9 million.



That's buttons these days, well worth a punt at that price.

Yep.  With Ollie Watkins established as number one choice, in reality we are probably looking at an experienced player who will accept being second choice or a younger player working towards being first choice as a back up. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 07:05:57 PM
Less than JPA 20 years ago.

This kid is very exciting if indeed these rumours are true. And at the price being suggested Lange has committed a crime.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2021, 07:07:47 PM
Radio chatter in the background from Argentina says Alvarez is agreed for around €9 million.



Really hope so with the reference he got from Tim Vickery.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 07:09:09 PM
For anyone who doesn’t know what Tim Vickery said; he compared Alvarez to some bloke called Gary Shaw.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 11, 2021, 07:10:18 PM
stats can make El Ghazi look like a top player.
I thought he was a top player last season. Dug is out of a whole a fair few times.
he did well at times - but stats don't tell the whole story...

Goals help though.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2021, 11:46:40 PM
Right, the tournaments have finished, let's get on with bringing in three players please.  Start with Alvarez please.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2021, 11:55:33 PM
Yup.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 12, 2021, 12:34:46 AM
And Messi who's want's to know what his Argentina team mates know that he doesn't, and why they're all
 heading to Villa 😁
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Post by: darren woolley on July 12, 2021, 12:40:58 AM
I hope we sign Alvarez.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 12, 2021, 06:04:06 AM
Alvarez will fit into our under 23 side or go out on loan and maybe next season (22-23) we will see him starting a few games

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Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
Maybe we could go back to Arsenal and get Saka. The last thing the poor bugger will want is going back to his parent club.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2021, 10:14:47 AM
Alvarez will fit into our under 23 side or go out on loan and maybe next season (22-23) we will see him starting a few games



I’ll confess to not knowing a great deal about him. But I would be staggered if a player who was in the Copa America winning squad would come to Villa to be in our youth team or immediately be loaned out. If he’s coming it’ll be to be part of the first team.
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Post by: Monty on July 12, 2021, 10:22:20 AM
He does look like he's got that hard-to-define thing, that class on the ball.
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Post by: algy on July 12, 2021, 10:58:22 AM
Alvarez will fit into our under 23 side or go out on loan and maybe next season (22-23) we will see him starting a few games



I’ll confess to not knowing a great deal about him. But I would be staggered if a player who was in the Copa America winning squad would come to Villa to be in our youth team or immediately be loaned out. If he’s coming it’ll be to be part of the first team.
Same.  Far more likely he'll be eased in slowly over the course of this season (like Traore was last year).  You don't buy 21 year olds to go in to the U23.  IMO if they're not good enough to be on the fringes of the first team at 21, 99% of the time they ain't going to be good enough to be in a starting berth when they're 24 either.
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Post by: Dave on July 12, 2021, 11:06:16 AM
Alvarez will fit into our under 23 side or go out on loan and maybe next season (22-23) we will see him starting a few games



I’ll confess to not knowing a great deal about him. But I would be staggered if a player who was in the Copa America winning squad would come to Villa to be in our youth team or immediately be loaned out. If he’s coming it’ll be to be part of the first team.

Indeed. If 20 year old Ramsey has been around the first team for 18 months and Chukwuemeka is getting minutes at 17, we're not buying 21 year old internationals to do anything other than using them in the first team.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2021, 12:14:17 PM
If we didn't think he could cut the mustard, we wouldn't be buying him - if indeed, we have an interest.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 12, 2021, 12:18:44 PM
Still not convinced by Alvarez. I watched that showreel against my better judgement and its the first time I've seen one for a striker which is made up of runs and passes rather than goals. His goal scoring record as it is entirely depends on his Copa liberatdores goals that seems to be a third rate CL (6th placed teams? teams with the best season aggregate?) However, at 10m you can't complain really. Worth a punt.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 12, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
Still not convinced by Alvarez. I watched that showreel against my better judgement and its the first time I've seen one for a striker which is made up of runs and passes rather than goals. His goal scoring record as it is entirely depends on his Copa liberatdores goals that seems to be a third rate CL (6th placed teams? teams with the best season aggregate?) However, at 10m you can't complain really. Worth a punt.

I don't think he has played as a striker much, seems to be a player that has yet to settle on a position. Like Barry when he came through, he had obvious skill on the ball but it took a while for us to decide he was a midfielder and not a fullback or centre back.

It seems he has plenty of talent though, so if he is available for £10m and he can focus on being a striker then pretty low risk.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2021, 12:33:41 PM
His goal scoring record as it is entirely depends on his Copa liberatdores goals that seems to be a third rate CL (6th placed teams? teams with the best season aggregate?)

Think you might be confusing the Copa Libertadores with the Copa Sudamericana.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 12, 2021, 12:40:58 PM
Still not convinced by Alvarez. I watched that showreel against my better judgement and its the first time I've seen one for a striker which is made up of runs and passes rather than goals. His goal scoring record as it is entirely depends on his Copa liberatdores goals that seems to be a third rate CL (6th placed teams? teams with the best season aggregate?) However, at 10m you can't complain really. Worth a punt.

I don't think he has played as a striker much, seems to be a player that has yet to settle on a position. Like Barry when he came through, he had obvious skill on the ball but it took a while for us to decide he was a midfielder and not a fullback or centre back.

It seems he has plenty of talent though, so if he is available for £10m and he can focus on being a striker then pretty low risk.

yeah, 10m is peanuts really. so if it doesn't work out i'm not worried  Can't be worse than Davis/Samatta anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2021, 02:04:54 PM
Would make no sense to loan out a 10m signing when we've had Davis needing a loan spell for over two years now but denied for numerous reasons and you could make a case for Wes going out somewhere on loan up to January to get his fitness really up.

He'll be eased in like Traore who only started games around December.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2021, 02:23:45 PM
I think it depends on how fast he settles in as to how much we'll see him. He'll have a couple of buddies that he knows assisting with that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 12, 2021, 03:13:23 PM
I think it depends on how fast he settles in as to how much we'll see him. He'll have a couple of buddies that he knows assisting with that.

That can only help
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2021, 06:55:40 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 12, 2021, 07:19:30 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?

I do wonder why Leicester are prepared to let him go, seems strange as he is a great player and does not seem to have been tapped up by a 'superleague wanker club'. But is a great player and would be a statement signing if we could get him, as would Deli Ali or Raheem Sterling who also might be available. None of them older than 26 either so still young.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?

I do wonder why Leicester are prepared to let him go, seems strange as he is a great player and does not seem to have been tapped up by a 'superleague wanker club'. But is a great player and would be a statement signing if we could get him, as would Deli Ali or Raheem Sterling who also might be available. None of them older than 26 either so still young.
Sterling FFS no
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Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2021, 07:36:35 PM
I would imagine Sterling would want to be the top earning player at the club and that role belongs entirely to one Jack Grealish. 
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 12, 2021, 07:38:29 PM
I miss the lad/lass that used to post about medicals being booked, always caused a bit of excitement.

Vinnie's still about.

Is it our own Vinnie Chase?

I’ve not taken to watching planes just yet 😂
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Post by: dave shelley on July 12, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
I miss the lad/lass that used to post about medicals being booked, always caused a bit of excitement.

Vinnie's still about.

Is it our own Vinnie Chase?

I’ve not taken to watching planes just yet 😂

C'mon Vinnie, you know it makes sense...Please.  :)
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Any more medicals taking place in Argentina this week Vinnie? ;)
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 12, 2021, 07:48:19 PM
Any more medicals taking place in Argentina this week Vinnie? ;)

Not heard a bean about this one. Very much one that seems to be foreign press. Imagine now copa and Euros are over things will speed up over the next 2 weeks
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Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2021, 07:48:28 PM
Wasn't his agent taking in a trip to Ajax of Amsterdam followed by first class service on the Eurostar to St Pancras, onto New Street and finally, the fanciest carriage they can find to Witton?
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2021, 07:49:43 PM
Any more medicals taking place in Argentina this week Vinnie? ;)


😍

Not heard a bean about this one. Very much one that seems to be foreign press. Imagine now copa and Euros are over things will speed up over the next 2 weeks
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2021, 08:18:22 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?

I do wonder why Leicester are prepared to let him go, seems strange as he is a great player and does not seem to have been tapped up by a 'superleague wanker club'. But is a great player and would be a statement signing if we could get him, as would Deli Ali or Raheem Sterling who also might be available. None of them older than 26 either so still young.
Sterling FFS no

You're insane.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2021, 08:19:23 PM
You wouldn’t want Sterling? Bonkers.
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Post by: nigel on July 12, 2021, 08:27:31 PM
You wouldn’t want Sterling? Bonkers.

Think he’d be great, but he would have to learn to pass to Jack  ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2021, 08:34:18 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?

I do wonder why Leicester are prepared to let him go, seems strange as he is a great player and does not seem to have been tapped up by a 'superleague wanker club'. But is a great player and would be a statement signing if we could get him, as would Deli Ali or Raheem Sterling who also might be available. None of them older than 26 either so still young.
Sterling FFS no

You're insane.
not according to my therapist  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2021, 08:45:00 PM
You wouldn’t want Sterling? Bonkers.

Only in large denominations.
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Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2021, 09:02:22 PM
Can you successfully play both Grealish and Sterling in the same team? He seemed to take-up some of the positions Jack wanted to when they were both on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2021, 09:04:22 PM
I'd be fine with Sterling but I can't see it being remotely realistic so not one to get hung up on.
Dele Alli would be a shocking signing for me, he has a lot to prove to show he can even be arsed to play, we shouldn't be anywhere near him given how together our squad is.
Maddison is a quality player and would fit in perfectly but I'd want to know exactly why Leicester don't seem all that determined to hold on to him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2021, 09:08:00 PM
Did SmithRowe actually sign that contract people were speculating about last week?
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Post by: OCD on July 12, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Not yet but I think our third bid would have gone in by now if we still thought he wasn't going to sign a new deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2021, 09:55:12 PM
I'd be fine with Sterling but I can't see it being remotely realistic so not one to get hung up on.
Dele Alli would be a shocking signing for me, he has a lot to prove to show he can even be arsed to play, we shouldn't be anywhere near him given how together our squad is.
Maddison is a quality player and would fit in perfectly but I'd want to know exactly why Leicester don't seem all that determined to hold on to him.

One indiscretion too many would be my guess re Maddison.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2021, 09:58:22 PM
One indiscretion too many would be my guess re Maddison.

Yes, that's the vibe I get, seems to enjoy the 'lifestyle' a bit more than most.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2021, 10:00:55 PM
If James Maddison is available, I'd like to think we'd stand as much chance of getting him as Arsenal, given he's a bestie with Jack and we have the money, upwardly mobile and basically going to win the FA Cup next season?  Either that, or there is movement with ESR and Arsenal have finally come to their senses, realising that we are dog with a bone and a better bet than them?

Can’t see him leaving Leicester unless there has been a major fall out.  I’m sure if we were interested though, the small-time w@nkers at the Coventry paper would run a story saying why he wouldn’t join us like they did when we were rumoured to be interested in Callum Wilson. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2021, 10:01:34 PM
I have no opinion on Maddison's non-football activities, but I expect that's the sort of criticism that supporters of many clubs would level at Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 12, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
I have no opinion on Maddison's non-football activities, but I expect that's the sort of criticism that supporters of many clubs would level at Grealish.


He always comes across very self assured ,   but has he been in that much trouble?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2021, 10:05:01 PM
Can you successfully play both Grealish and Sterling in the same team? He seemed to take-up some of the positions Jack wanted to when they were both on the pitch.

You'd need a half decent Manager/Coach to make it work. For me he's more an updated version of Julian Joachin, fast, an eye for goal and can find a cul-de-sac at 100 yards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2021, 10:08:25 PM
I have no opinion on Maddison's non-football activities, but I expect that's the sort of criticism that supporters of many clubs would level at Grealish.

Nor do I, but whatever Grealish has done didn't cost us a place in the top four. It could be argued that Maddison's Covid party did for Leicester.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
For me, Sterling’s lack of awareness for a pass or his colleagues positioning is his downfall, too often he conspires to break a move down simply by not picking a simple pass. This, together with his knack of running out of pitch before crossing makes for a very frustrating player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 12, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Sterling reminds me of Theo Walcott. Same lack of composure or vision.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2021, 10:37:10 PM
He’s a much better player than Walcott ever was for me.
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Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
Wasn't his agent taking in a trip to Ajax of Amsterdam followed by first class service on the Eurostar to St Pancras, onto New Street and finally, the fanciest carriage they can find to Witton?

Stopping off for a bellybuster of a breakfast at Mr Egg.

Ajax don't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2021, 01:10:55 AM
Golovin being linked from Monaco for about 20m.

Wouldn't be a bad plan B at all if Smith Rowe interest has stalled.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on July 13, 2021, 07:22:16 AM
He’s a much better player than Walcott ever was for me.

He is

He is Walcott who has then been coached by someone very good and continued to learn. Far more in his armoury than Walcott

His decision making is often rubbish but the run and pass for 1st goal v Ukraine was equisite play

Just frustrating because end product is too often not there but exciting player to watch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
Golovin being linked from Monaco for about 20m.

Wouldn't be a bad plan B at all if Smith Rowe interest has stalled.

I thought Golovin was a female tennis player
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2021, 08:24:08 AM
Golovin being linked from Monaco for about 20m.

Wouldn't be a bad plan B at all if Smith Rowe interest has stalled.

I see he played in all 3 of Russia’s games but can’t say I recall him doing anything.  YouTube videos seem impressive as usual but who knows!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2021, 08:25:36 AM
Assumed he was French. If he's Russian get him in, we've never had one of them!
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Post by: Clive W on July 13, 2021, 09:58:38 AM
He’s a much better player than Walcott ever was for me.

He is


He is Walcott who has then been coached by someone very good and continued to learn. Far more in his armoury than Walcott

But all the Italians did was to station 2 defenders about 10 yards in front of him and wait for him to run into them - which he did repeatedly

His decision making is often rubbish but the run and pass for 1st goal v Ukraine was equisite play

Just frustrating because end product is too often not there but exciting player to watch.

But all the Italians did was to station 2 defenders about 10 yards in front of him and wait for him to run straight into them - which he did repeatedly
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2021, 10:03:34 AM
He’s a much better player than Walcott ever was for me.

He is


He is Walcott who has then been coached by someone very good and continued to learn. Far more in his armoury than Walcott

But all the Italians did was to station 2 defenders about 10 yards in front of him and wait for him to run into them - which he did repeatedly

His decision making is often rubbish but the run and pass for 1st goal v Ukraine was equisite play

Just frustrating because end product is too often not there but exciting player to watch.

But all the Italians did was to station 2 defenders about 10 yards in front of him and wait for him to run straight into them - which he did repeatedly
every time there was space to the right to run or pass to, he turned left and ended the attack. Brainless
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 13, 2021, 10:44:31 AM
Sterlings OK, but that’s about it for me. Composure (No) Dribbling (Yes) Crossing (not seen much evidence of this) Shooting (middling at best) Passing (he’s a toy story seagull). He has a knack of finding space and being in the right place at the right time (then ruining it by going down a culdesac)… I’m sure there’s better out there somewhere for the price he would cost?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2021, 10:56:46 AM
Sterlings OK, but that’s about it for me. Composure (No) Dribbling (Yes) Crossing (not seen much evidence of this) Shooting (middling at best) Passing (he’s a toy story seagull). He has a knack of finding space and being in the right place at the right time (then ruining it by going down a culdesac)… I’m sure there’s better out there somewhere for the price he would cost?

Big no from me.  He’d have zero interest in joining us and leaving Man City would leave a Jack sized hole in their squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 13, 2021, 11:01:30 AM
Aye.He wouldn't come here currently by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 11:17:58 AM
We won't get Sterling but the idea that we wouldn't want him anyway is beyond crazy. He's a fantastic player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FatSam on July 13, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
I thought Golovin was a female tennis player
That would be Golovina
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2021, 12:03:45 PM
Golovin being linked from Monaco for about 20m.

Wouldn't be a bad plan B at all if Smith Rowe interest has stalled.

I thought Golovin was a female tennis player

It's confusing these days. Do you like girls or boys? But moondust will cover you
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Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2021, 12:17:14 PM
Hennessey being linked - presume we’ll add another senior keeper now Kalinic has been moved on.
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Post by: Richard E on July 13, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
Hennessey was parked round the back of our offices once when he played for Wolves and he is gigantic.
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Post by: OCD on July 13, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Hennessey has been linked for a while now. It's possible; it would allow us to loan out Sinisalo and Onodi for the season and get them more match experience. 1 year with the option of another year maybe.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 12:33:48 PM
Yeah, I'd be happy with that. Bring in a home grown third choice and loan the young uns out.

Mind you, maybe someone could tell him what a Nazi salute is before he signs, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2021, 12:34:33 PM
How would we wash the Wolves off him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2021, 12:55:57 PM
Sterlings OK, but that’s about it for me. Composure (No) Dribbling (Yes) Crossing (not seen much evidence of this) Shooting (middling at best) Passing (he’s a toy story seagull). He has a knack of finding space and being in the right place at the right time (then ruining it by going down a culdesac)… I’m sure there’s better out there somewhere for the price he would cost?

Big no from me.  He’d have zero interest in joining us and leaving Man City would leave a Jack sized hole in their squad.

Man. City apparently were thinking of putting him as swop option for Spurs in proposed Kane deal and he gave that short shrift, would only want to join Real Madrid or PSG if he's forced out of Man. City!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
What's wrong with having Steer as number two?

Unless they've concluded in training the last injury he had has impact on his diving which sometimes happens when keepers get bad injuries e.g. Given dislocating his shoulder a few months before joining us.
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Post by: OCD on July 13, 2021, 01:23:39 PM
Nothing's wrong with Steer as number 2 but we need 3 keepers and it would be a waste of Sinisalo's and Anodi's development to have one of them as third choice. Make's sense to bring someone in with experience while we develop these 2 more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
I'm not so sure, there's a balance to strike between game time and quality of training. I think Sinisalo could benefit as much from some time around the senior squad and training alongside one of the best keepers in the world because he has the senior experience from a very good stint with Ayr. Onodi has to go out this window though.
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Post by: Risso on July 13, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
Sterling? We may as well discuss signing Salah or Pulisic, they're about as likely.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2021, 01:54:38 PM
Only player I would take as a make weight for Jack would be Bernardo Silva, thinks he's an awesome player. As likely as me living on the moon in the next 5 years.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
How would we wash the Wolves off him?

It comes off automatically the moment he realizes he is at a proper big club not the fake big club they like to claim whenever anyone joins them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
What does anyone know about Cheick Doucoure? - is he the next Bissouma (at a more reasonable price)?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2021, 02:33:40 PM
What does anyone know about Cheick Doucoure? - is he the next Bissouma (at a more reasonable price)?

Strange that there’s been no speculation about Bissouma considering all the chatter during the season.  We should buy him because:

1. A good player in a position we need to strengthen
2. Giving Brighton £35m+ will mean they don’t need to sell White, adding a premium to his value and therefore pissing off arsenal even more.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2021, 03:01:56 PM
I think he's off to Liverpool and Brighton will want about £50m.
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Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
I think he's off to Liverpool and Brighton will want about £50m.
Hence my question about Doucoure.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2021, 05:20:02 PM
On YouTube alone, I'd pay the money for Sarr.
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Post by: Vegas on July 13, 2021, 05:36:11 PM
I’m a yes to Sarr, Alvarez, JWP, ESR, Bissouma, Tammy.

I’m a no to Dele Alli, Ings, McNeill (not a strong no), Winks

Let’s see what happens.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 05:48:04 PM
I’m a yes to Sarr, Alvarez, JWP, ESR, Bissouma, Tammy.

I’m a no to Dele Alli, Ings, McNeill (not a strong no), Winks

Let’s see what happens.

Pretty much where I am. Stick Messi in the "yes" pile and we're good to go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 13, 2021, 05:50:07 PM
Asked a Burnley supporting mate about McNeill and he was raving about him, says they'd be gutted to lose him but it's inevitable he'll move on to a bigger club at some point as he's a class above anything they've got (cue Westwood joke).
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2021, 06:15:33 PM
I’m a yes to Sarr, Alvarez, JWP, ESR, Bissouma, Tammy.

I’m a no to Dele Alli, Ings, McNeill (not a strong no), Winks

Let’s see what happens.

Talking sense Johnny although a no for me on Tammy if we get Alvarez.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2021, 08:17:17 PM
Asked a Burnley supporting mate about McNeill and he was raving about him, says they'd be gutted to lose him but it's inevitable he'll move on to a bigger club at some point as he's a class above anything they've got (cue Westwood joke).
behave, mate - Villa fans know more about McNeill than Burnley fans.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 13, 2021, 09:30:34 PM
McNeill is a good player, although he is definitely a winger rather than a replacement for Barkley. If we signed him I think it would mean Jack moving to the '10' position more often.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 13, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
If we sign Alvarez, wouldn't that also point to moving Jack into the '10' role?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 13, 2021, 09:47:31 PM
If we sign Alvarez, wouldn't that also point to moving Jack into the '10' role?

Not sure, as it seems unclear what his position is. But maybe that is the plan this season, to be able to shift Jack central.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2021, 09:52:06 PM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2021, 09:57:31 PM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.



ooooh where is that ?
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.

Pape Sarr? Alvarez? Ooooo

Winks? Nooooo

Alli? O'Neil? Okay
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Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2021, 10:19:26 PM
Cantwell? I know he's a dick and Norwich won't want to lose both in a summer, but he's young, plays 10, and kind of fits the remit.
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Post by: andyh on July 13, 2021, 10:25:15 PM
Please, please be JWP
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 13, 2021, 10:26:17 PM
Would be happy with either of them
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Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.

Who is it and does Percy agree? 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 11:05:25 PM
"Whispers" on Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2021, 11:10:59 PM
Which player?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2021, 11:12:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TransferWhisper/status/1639128659664896
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2021, 11:18:54 PM
Which player?

He hasn't specified. Apart from "not ESR".
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 13, 2021, 11:20:04 PM
Are we in for a real sarrprise or what?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2021, 11:31:36 PM
"Whispers" on Twitter.

Seems to be legit.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2021, 12:02:45 AM
Whispers seems to be quite legit I reckon.

Whoever it is, They’ve been very right in the past on things - including the media release for the new kit tonight. They also claim Grealish new contract is signed and will be announced soon… that’s the bigger test. If they get that one right, then I’ll be convinced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2021, 12:30:28 AM
What's his Twitter handle?
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 14, 2021, 12:33:04 AM
@whispers_avfc
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Post by: OCD on July 14, 2021, 01:11:32 AM
Ta.
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Post by: Matt C on July 14, 2021, 02:10:08 AM
Imagine there’s going to be a fair bit of movement on transfers - and not just with us - over the next few weeks now.
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Post by: frank black on July 14, 2021, 07:31:47 AM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.

Who is it and does Percy agree? 

Bid going in for a midfielder….The no sh#t Sherlock award goes to Mr Whisper… 😂
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 14, 2021, 08:14:38 AM
Whispers seems to be quite legit I reckon.

Whoever it is, They’ve been very right in the past on things - including the media release for the new kit tonight. They also claim Grealish new contract is signed and will be announced soon… that’s the bigger test. If they get that one right, then I’ll be convinced.

I think Alan Hansen in late 90s used to say every season Keane played for United was like signing a new £10m player Keeping Grealish is like that but £80m+ with inflation
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Post by: algy on July 14, 2021, 08:33:34 AM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.

Who is it and does Percy agree?
Based on our current transfer policy, I'd say it's probably Saka.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 14, 2021, 08:59:51 AM
Bid going in for a midfielder apparently and not ESR.

Who is it and does Percy agree?
Based on our current transfer policy, I'd say it's probably Saka.

Is it supposed to be an Arsenal player then?
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 14, 2021, 09:18:04 AM
Current policy is to p!ssoff the gooners ;)
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Post by: Breezeblock on July 14, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
https://twitter.com/TransferWhisper/status/1639128659664896
That's just nasty. Funny, but nasty! :D
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Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Current policy is to p!ssoff the gooners ;)

Resurrecting Bobby Pires once more may or may not achieve that.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
Milan join the race for Alvarez? According to reports. Agent trying to stiff us for more money maybe?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2021, 02:04:53 PM
He's not the agent, he's the owner.
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Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Milan join the race for Alvarez? According to reports. Agent trying to stiff us for more money maybe?

Who? Not in our league now
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Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2021, 07:31:42 PM
Are we in for a real sarrprise or what?
Well we have missed out on this one with our clueless approach.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57836300
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 14, 2021, 07:47:59 PM
He could have played for us on reduced wages. Agent Emi must have told him Jack Grealish plays for us too so he's really missed an opportunity. Perhaps he doesn't relish comparison.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2021, 07:55:53 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.
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Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2021, 08:17:20 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2021, 08:39:44 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.
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Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2021, 08:43:02 PM
I've never seen him. He's absolutely brilliant but I've never seen him.
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Post by: Ads on July 14, 2021, 08:49:23 PM
He reminds me of a young me, when I was a 20 year old Argentinan.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2021, 08:49:38 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.

Is that using the Julian calendar?
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Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2021, 09:05:32 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.

Is that using the Julian calendar?

I think that SE needs a TARDIS to make that work :)
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Post by: john e on July 14, 2021, 09:29:00 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.

I’ve already written him off after his first game
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Post by: Virgil Caine on July 14, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
If it’s the same Alvarez that I played with at Hobs Moat United in the South Birmingham Premier League in the 1970’s we are in for a treat. I suspect he isn’t however as he would be 64 now..I may be confusing him with a bloke called Alf Harris.
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Post by: OCD on July 14, 2021, 09:57:15 PM
On the 'let's piss Arsenal off' front, we should go and get Martin Ødegaard.
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 14, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 15, 2021, 07:06:19 AM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...
a 60 year old brummie?
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Post by: JJ-AV on July 15, 2021, 07:25:47 AM
Arsenal are after Locatelli. I'd take him.
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 15, 2021, 07:46:08 AM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...

Vickery is a brilliant correspondent, insightful and observant. He is a Spurs fan but you can't have everything.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Border villan on July 15, 2021, 08:36:27 AM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.

Is that using the Julian calendar?

I never knew Joachim had a calendar named after him. Every day is a school day.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2021, 09:02:08 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!

I know! It was jarring for me to see it written down like that  as he was two years above me in school. Gulp. Hurry up and win something please Villa!
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Post by: algy on July 15, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Why can’t you? Everyone else is pretending to know about him.

He's been my favourite player since the late 70s, when I was born, and since the millennium, when he was.

Is that using the Julian calendar?

I never knew Joachim had a calendar named after him. Every day is a school day.
He's still playing in claret & blue, for Bourne Town in Lincolnshire (Tier 10, United Counties Div 1)
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Post by: ROBBO on July 15, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
Tell me, what do these ex- footballers turned pundits, get paid for all the click bait rubbish they publish? Danny Mills must be on piece work rates.
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Post by: Risso on July 15, 2021, 09:22:12 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!

Christ.
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Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2021, 09:29:51 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!
e

Christ.

I turned 50 at the weekend. Seeing that makes me feel better!
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 09:49:56 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!

Christ.

No, only made it to 33.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2021, 10:00:31 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!

Christ.

No, only made it to 33.
That's so wrong The Lord Jesus is everlasting.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2021, 10:26:04 AM
Feels like ages since we signed Buendia
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Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2021, 10:36:48 AM
Can’t believe Gary Shaw is 60, where has the time gone!!
e

Christ.

I turned 50 at the weekend. Seeing that makes me feel better!

A belated Happy Birthday to you
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Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
Buen día y buen cumpleaños !
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 11:18:12 AM
Belated happy 50th, hope you had a marvelous day and still feel young at heart.
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Post by: Ads on July 15, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
The Whispers account says we're working on an incoming player from Chelsea.
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Post by: Vegas on July 15, 2021, 12:10:35 PM
Fingers crossed it’s Barkley.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
The Whispers account says we're working on an incoming player from Chelsea.

Just imagine the collective volte-face there'll be on here if it's Mason Mount.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
Fingers crossed it’s Barkley.

I hope that’s not all. I won’t be happy unless it’s a double swoop for him and Drinkwater.
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Post by: Des Little on July 15, 2021, 12:19:16 PM
I'm sure I saw Micky Droy at One Stop earlier, so it could be him.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 15, 2021, 12:20:09 PM
The Whispers account says we're working on an incoming player from Chelsea.




the guy with the long name maybe ..cant remember , maybe a defender I think he was.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2021, 12:27:42 PM
Probably that Left Back beginning with L
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Post by: Matt C on July 15, 2021, 12:30:54 PM
Yeah we were linked with a young fullback from Chelsea early in the window (feels like about six months ago now) although that was before we signed Young.

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Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2021, 12:39:35 PM
I saw a tenuous link yesterday to a young Everton left back, Thierry Small, made his debut in Jan at 16 , highly rated and hasn't signed a new contract.
I'd noticed him playing Champ Manager, but it turns out he's Bryan Small's nephew and a local lad, so that might have some legs.
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Post by: Risso on July 15, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
I'd forgotten all about Ashley Young. Feels like a new signing now!
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Post by: CT on July 15, 2021, 12:58:59 PM
There was a guy playing up front for Cheltenham in a friendly yesterday called Timmy Abraham.

Would be a lot cheaper, and only one letter out.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
There was a guy playing up front for Cheltenham in a friendly yesterday called Timmy Abraham.

Would be a lot cheaper, and only one letter out.


get it done !!
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2021, 01:05:05 PM
I'd forgotten all about Ashley Young. Feels like a new signing now!

It's emblematic of the wonderful and exciting world of Aston Villa these days that his return barely disturbs the seismometer. Generated fewer column inches than the stripes on the new shirt.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2021, 01:07:01 PM
I'd forgotten all about Ashley Young. Feels like a new signing now!

It's emblematic of the wonderful and exciting world of Aston Villa these days that his return barely disturbs the seismometer. Generated fewer column inches than the stripes on the new shirt.


those stripes grrrrrrrrr!
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Post by: cdward on July 15, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
I'd forgotten all about Ashley Young. Feels like a new signing now!

It's emblematic of the wonderful and exciting world of Aston Villa these days that his return barely disturbs the seismometer. Generated fewer column inches than the stripes on the new shirt.


those stripes grrrrrrrrr!
They're grrrrrrreat!
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Post by: Risso on July 15, 2021, 01:13:22 PM
There was a guy playing up front for Cheltenham in a friendly yesterday called Timmy Abraham.

Would be a lot cheaper, and only one letter out.

Sounds like a cheap knock off, like Tommy Hilfinger.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2021, 01:17:24 PM
I'd forgotten all about Ashley Young. Feels like a new signing now!

It's emblematic of the wonderful and exciting world of Aston Villa these days that his return barely disturbs the seismometer. Generated fewer column inches than the stripes on the new shirt.


those stripes grrrrrrrrr!
They're grrrrrrreat!


It is grrrrrrrowing on me !
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Post by: Fred Crump on July 15, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
There was a guy playing up front for Cheltenham in a friendly yesterday called Timmy Abraham.

Would be a lot cheaper, and only one letter out.

Sounds like a cheap knock off, like Tommy Hilfinger.
Haha, also sounds like Monty Burns in the Simpsons when he asks Smithers to get Senor Spielbergo on the line , Stephen Spielberg’ s  “ cheaper non- union Mexican equivalent! “
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Post by: Fred Crump on July 15, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
But seriously, I think he is Tammy’s brother! Really !
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Post by: OCD on July 15, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
If we're in for a Chelsea player, Hudson-Odoi? Supposedly offered in part-exchange for Haaland, which they turned down. If true, would suggest he's available. Play him on the left, move Grealish inside.
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Post by: Fred Crump on July 15, 2021, 02:49:32 PM
He clearly has talent, but is he capable of fulfilling it ?
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 15, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
But seriously, I think he is Tammy’s brother! Really !

He is, Tammy is 23 and Timmy is 20. He has been on loan at Raith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Abraham
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2021, 02:58:12 PM
But seriously, I think he is Tammy’s brother! Really !

He is, Tammy is 23 and Timmy is 20. He has been on loan at Raith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Abraham

Tommy’s probably the best of the three.
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Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2021, 03:37:08 PM
But seriously, I think he is Tammy’s brother! Really !

He is, Tammy is 23 and Timmy is 20. He has been on loan at Raith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Abraham

Tommy’s probably the best of the three.

His Tummy is too big.
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Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2021, 03:48:41 PM
Someone on Twitter reckons we have bid £55m for Smith - Rowe which includes a £30m discount code.
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Post by: Stu on July 15, 2021, 03:54:49 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 15, 2021, 04:00:21 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?

I know, there's been nothing, literally nothing whatsoever on the rumour front for almost four whole hours now. Worrying times.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 15, 2021, 04:06:06 PM
It will get busy once the England players come back from the erm.. cricket.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 04:13:01 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?

I know, there's been nothing, literally nothing whatsoever on the rumour front for almost four whole hours now. Worrying times.

I'd prefer that there aren't any rumours until the player is signed. Think Johan would rather it that way too.
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Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?
After the voucher blunder we have to sell first before any purchases.
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Post by: Dave on July 15, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
I saw a tenuous link yesterday to a young Everton left back, Thierry Small, made his debut in Jan at 16 , highly rated and hasn't signed a new contract.
I'd noticed him playing Champ Manager, but it turns out he's Bryan Small's nephew and a local lad, so that might have some legs.

Very strong Champ Manager regen energy with the name as well.
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Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2021, 04:49:03 PM
I saw a tenuous link yesterday to a young Everton left back, Thierry Small, made his debut in Jan at 16 , highly rated and hasn't signed a new contract.
I'd noticed him playing Champ Manager, but it turns out he's Bryan Small's nephew and a local lad, so that might have some legs.

Very strong Champ Manager regen energy with the name as well.

I did have to check he was real as I'd only noticed this player with excellent stats about 6 seasons in when I was looking for a new left back.

But I was talking about this with a mate watching the football the other week, it's much harder these days to think of a classic regeneration name as there are loads of players now of mixed heritage that have these kind of names.

Giuseppe McManaman was an old favourite though.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2021, 04:57:18 PM
Sander Berge's price looks to be dropping from his £35m clause at Sheff Utd who look to be willing to sell to balance the books. We've been linked with him since the end of last season. £25m may do it but I'm not sure we're prepared to pay that much for someone that may not be a long term investment.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 15, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2021, 05:12:39 PM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind

Maybe we've signed Ballotelli?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 15, 2021, 05:15:09 PM
Judging by the amount of people who bought the "discounted" kit, probably celebrating their 1 millionth sale. Did you hear a big "DOH!!" after the fireworks finished?
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Post by: Dave on July 15, 2021, 05:25:34 PM
But I was talking about this with a mate watching the football the other week, it's much harder these days to think of a classic regeneration name as there are loads of players now of mixed heritage that have these kind of names.

Football itself is one big, real-life regen at the moment with all these sons of footballers.

Erling Haaland, Justin Kluivert, Tim Weah, Marcus Thuram, Ianis Hagi. Classic regens.
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Post by: Stu on July 15, 2021, 05:33:31 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?

I know, there's been nothing, literally nothing whatsoever on the rumour front for almost four whole hours now. Worrying times.

I've lost my wanker emoji
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2021, 05:39:43 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?

I know, there's been nothing, literally nothing whatsoever on the rumour front for almost four whole hours now. Worrying times.

I've lost my wanker emoji

I'm sure Emoji will come home when he's hungry. In the meantime it can be fun to do it yourself now and again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on July 15, 2021, 05:41:38 PM
All gone a bit quiet hasn't it. Wonder if we're actually getting anyone else in at all?

I know, there's been nothing, literally nothing whatsoever on the rumour front for almost four whole hours now. Worrying times.

I've lost my wanker emoji

I'm sure Emoji will come home when he's hungry. In the meantime it can be fun to do it yourself now and again.

You can fuck off an all!
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2021, 05:43:17 PM
I understand that you're frustrated.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind

Maybe they've shifted the final Lansbury shirt that's been sitting in the bargain bucket these last 4 years.
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Post by: OCD on July 15, 2021, 06:05:39 PM
But I was talking about this with a mate watching the football the other week, it's much harder these days to think of a classic regeneration name as there are loads of players now of mixed heritage that have these kind of names.

Football itself is one big, real-life regen at the moment with all these sons of footballers.

Erling Haaland, Justin Kluivert, Tim Weah, Marcus Thuram, Ianis Hagi. Classic regens.

Lamare Bogarde, Dujon Sterling (heard him mentioned recently; Chelsea player).
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 15, 2021, 06:15:31 PM
Chelsea have got some cracking names in their youth team. I particularly like Theirno Ballo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
I understand that you're frustrated.

;D

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Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2021, 07:48:10 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

I think part of the reason why he was being mentioned is because of a buy out clause so them not wanting to sell might not matter for much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2021, 07:54:59 PM
It's a difficult summer targets wise. Our bench was painfully limited last season, but Chukwemeuka and Buendia coming through, Sanson getting fully fit and Wesley coming back add some bodies to the squad with potential quality. To improve the team now, we need to be buying better players than we have in their roles. Difficult across the back 5. A top quality holding midfielder would be a big step forward though. Beyond that another creative forward and a backup striker. Finding them will be tough, but get 2-3 right and we will be right up there next season. (Provided we keep Jack!)
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2021, 08:03:27 PM
Is this Alvarez bloke any good?

I can’t pretend to know anything about him.

Tim Vickery compared him to Gary Shaw...

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

I think part of the reason why he was being mentioned is because of a buy out clause so them not wanting to sell might not matter for much.

I think they need to sell, like so many clubs in South America not to mention Europe. One key stat from the River Plate game was 'Attendance: 0'.

EDIT: I keep having to remind myself he's third party owned. I'm not sure how that works between club and owner.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2021, 08:04:11 PM
It's a difficult summer targets wise. Our bench was painfully limited last season, but Chukwemeuka and Buendia coming through, Sanson getting fully fit and Wesley coming back add some bodies to the squad with potential quality. To improve the team now, we need to be buying better players than we have in their roles. Difficult across the back 5. A top quality holding midfielder would be a big step forward though. Beyond that another creative forward and a backup striker. Finding them will be tough, but get 2-3 right and we will be right up there next season. (Provided we keep Jack!)

If Trez hadn’t got injured I’d have jettisoned one of El Ghazi or Trez to create some room in the squad and also sell whilst their value is high.  Hopefully next season we will have Europe which will create natural headroom to invest in the squad again.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
I'd cash in today on El Ghazi whilst his stock is high. The problem is I can't see many European teams willing to cough up around £15m for him. Maybe one of the promoted teams but I doubt it. Newcastle maybe? I think he's very much a player that needs to be loved and he won't get much of that sitting on our bench.
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Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
But seriously, I think he is Tammy’s brother! Really !

He is, Tammy is 23 and Timmy is 20. He has been on loan at Raith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Abraham

Tommy’s probably the best of the three.

His Tummy is too big.
I prefer Temmy, their scottish cousin.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 15, 2021, 08:36:58 PM
Swap El Ghazi for Pereira
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
I wouldn't wish that on El Goalzi.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2021, 08:42:59 PM
Not sure El Ghazi would be thrilled at dropping down a division
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Post by: KevinGage on July 15, 2021, 09:39:54 PM
El Ghazi already took a step down in his career after starting out at Ajax and Lille before switching to us in the Championship. Don't think he needs to do it again.

He's never gave it the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, bought into the idea of helping us turn things around and played a big part in getting us up.

All about opinions and that, but unless we are offered silly money, he's way down the list of players I'd be looking to move on.  Even if we get an upgrade for that position, nowt wrong with a bit of squad depth.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on July 15, 2021, 09:53:06 PM
He just might want to play every week
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Post by: Villan82 on July 15, 2021, 09:58:18 PM
AEG is not a player I would be letting go, he is a man who scores and a man who lays on assists.
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Post by: AV82EC on July 15, 2021, 09:59:01 PM
AEG is not a player I would be letting go, he is a man who scores and a man who lays on assists.


Errr, goals yes, assists no.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2021, 10:00:29 PM
El Ghazi would be in 10-15m bracket. I mean his stats were better than Traore's weren't they who cost us 18m so always a bit amusing when a few fans elsewhere on loan want us to dangle him as 5m makeweight in deals (so yes 2-3m less than we signed him for despite 10 prem goals last season!)

One big surprise to me is we've not been linked to any CBs unless I've missed an obvious target. That feels like a signing out of the blue in August to me as we obivously need one. One injury and we're down to Mings/Konsa and Hause and then kids on the bench. Revan was on loan last season but it was at non league level before people get carried away so can't see him being in serious contention.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 15, 2021, 10:02:34 PM
What about what he might want at this stage of his career
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Post by: rougegorge on July 15, 2021, 10:31:28 PM
AEG is not a player I would be letting go, he is a man who scores and a man who lays on assists.


Errr, goals yes, assists no.

He's a confidence player, but 10 league goals from 17 starts and 11 sub appearances was a very good return and he does shoot on target more often than not. I wouldn't be letting him go either
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2021, 10:33:14 PM
I'd probably consider letting AEG go if it was part of a player swap.  Just not consistent enough.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind

'V for Villa' innit?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
What about what he might want at this stage of his career

Sure he's pretty happy to be regular starter (from last December) of team looking to get into top 8.

If opportunity appears to join a decent european team I'm sure he'd be interested but like said above I can't see why he'd just drop back down to the championship again when he's proven himself a decent enough premier league squad player.

His wages probably in 40k range so not that dear by squad players now either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2021, 10:51:29 PM
Trouble with AEG is he had 1 good game in 4. The other 3 he's largely anonymous and sometimes wretched. But if we don't bring another wide option in, he's a very useful squad player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 15, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind

'V for Villa' innit?

Yeah but my mom and dad own a villa in Portugal and my auto correct never picks up Villa as being the name of Aston Villa and just assumes I mean villa as in the house.
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Post by: yammers on July 15, 2021, 11:06:28 PM
Just come up on my twatter feed that our Jack has started to follow James Maddison!
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Post by: Dave on July 15, 2021, 11:15:49 PM
The same James Maddison that he's been mates with for a decade and has been pictured on holiday with in the not-too-distant past?

I don't want to say that this "isn't news"... but that isn't news.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2021, 11:27:55 PM
He also follows James Corden. Get him sold.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: yammers on July 15, 2021, 11:33:16 PM
The same James Maddison that he's been mates with for a decade and has been pictured on holiday with in the not-too-distant past?

I don't want to say that this "isn't news"... but that isn't news.

You could also say he’s had a decade to follow his mate.
I was merely posting an observation on this ‘gossip/rumour’ thread!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: yammers on July 15, 2021, 11:35:08 PM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.

Most definitely agree!
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Post by: OCD on July 16, 2021, 12:44:06 AM
I'm more surprised that he's only just started following him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 16, 2021, 07:05:59 AM
El Ghazi would be in 10-15m bracket. I mean his stats were better than Traore's weren't they who cost us 18m so always a bit amusing when a few fans elsewhere on loan want us to dangle him as 5m makeweight in deals (so yes 2-3m less than we signed him for despite 10 prem goals last season!)

One big surprise to me is we've not been linked to any CBs unless I've missed an obvious target. That feels like a signing out of the blue in August to me as we obivously need one. One injury and we're down to Mings/Konsa and Hause and then kids on the bench. Revan was on loan last season but it was at non league level before people get carried away so can't see him being in serious contention.

Keep being linked with a move for Tuanzebe. Which wouldn't be thrilling, but hard to entice players to be our 4th choice CB I guess.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 16, 2021, 07:11:26 AM
Linked with Arnaut Danjuma, Dutch left winger playing at Bournemouth (17 goals in 37 appearances last season).
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 16, 2021, 09:48:42 AM
Don't know much about him, although Gary Shaw compared him to Tim Vickery.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 16, 2021, 10:16:07 AM
Hahaha!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2021, 10:38:21 AM
I work right by villa Park and the club shop was letting fireworks off at about 2pm this afternoon in Broad day light. No idea why mind

'V for Villa' innit?

Yeah but my mom and dad own a villa in Portugal and my auto correct never picks up Villa as being the name of Aston Villa and just assumes I mean villa as in the house.

TBH didn't clock the small 'v', was more a reference to the fireworks and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.

Signing James Corden would be even more impressive in a way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 16, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.

Signing James Corden would be even more impressive in a way.

Yeah, we never really replaced the fat bloke in the pink suit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 16, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
Jacks got a secret buy out clause apparently….but don’t tell anyone, promise?!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 16, 2021, 12:10:48 PM
I've just read the BBC's transfer rumours (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57853628) and am happy to report that we are not mentioned at all. I love it that we seem to operate under the radar these days.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on July 16, 2021, 12:50:52 PM
The idea of a release clause is that you pay a premium to buy the player.
A player that we value at £100m, is not going to have a release clause of £100m. That would be pointless.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on July 16, 2021, 12:59:04 PM
The idea of a release clause is that you pay a premium to buy the player.
A player that we value at £100m, is not going to have a release clause of £100m. That would be pointless.

Unless of course, that was the only way he would sign a new deal last year.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 01:11:18 PM
Yes, it was last season that his reputation rocketed. So any sell-on clause negotiated last summer would be a fair bit less than now if based on market value.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 16, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
The idea of a release clause is that you pay a premium to buy the player.
A player that we value at £100m, is not going to have a release clause of £100m. That would be pointless.

Sorry, but that is wrong. Sometimes a player will only sign a contract if there is a minimum fee release clause, as: sometimes, it is low as per Delph.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 16, 2021, 01:15:02 PM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.

Signing James Corden would be even more impressive in a way.
Is he a DM?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: exigo on July 16, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
AEG is not a player I would be letting go, he is a man who scores and a man who lays on assists.

And we can bring him on in the 119th minute of next season's European games to take a penalty. </Southgate mode>
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 16, 2021, 02:14:18 PM
Be a hell of a signing if we could get Maddison.

Signing James Corden would be even more impressive in a way.
Is he a DM?

Hopefully he's still in America, a situation that should be encouraged.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2021, 03:19:57 PM
Britain's loss is America's loss also.
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Post by: OCD on July 16, 2021, 07:13:11 PM
Apparently we're in for Carney's brother, Caleb Chukwuemeka.
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Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
Aren't they the Kings of Leon?
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Post by: mrfuse on July 16, 2021, 08:31:48 PM
Aren't they the Kings of Leon?

Could be the Kings of Villa.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 16, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
If we're in for a Chelsea player, Hudson-Odoi? Supposedly offered in part-exchange for Haaland, which they turned down. If true, would suggest he's available. Play him on the left, move Grealish inside.
Gallagher?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mellin on July 16, 2021, 09:36:36 PM
The idea of a release clause is that you pay a premium to buy the player.
A player that we value at £100m, is not going to have a release clause of £100m. That would be pointless.

Sorry, but that is wrong. Sometimes a player will only sign a contract if there is a minimum fee release clause, as: sometimes, it is low as per Delph.

Difference is Delph had 6 months (?) left so held all the cards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 10:33:31 PM
The idea of a release clause is that you pay a premium to buy the player.
A player that we value at £100m, is not going to have a release clause of £100m. That would be pointless.

Sorry, but that is wrong. Sometimes a player will only sign a contract if there is a minimum fee release clause, as: sometimes, it is low as per Delph.

Difference is Delph had 6 months (?) left so held all the cards.

As demonstrated by his wink to the camera.
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Post by: john e on July 17, 2021, 10:14:21 AM
Big difference between Delph and Grealish is where the club is now

Delph probably thought he had no chance of winning anything with Villa at that time
but Grealish might take heart in the fact that we have rich owners and are looking ambitious he might well want to be a part of that

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2021, 10:17:00 AM
We are signing another Albion academy player apparently although he’s 20 and spent last season on loan at Cheltenham.  The amusing thing about the report is it says Smethwick are now a feeder club for us.
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Post by: jwarry on July 17, 2021, 10:30:56 AM
We are signing another Albion academy player apparently although he’s 20 and spent last season on loan at Cheltenham.  The amusing thing about the report is it says Smethwick are now a feeder club for us.

Do you know his name?
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Post by: andyh on July 17, 2021, 11:03:53 AM
Finn Azaz
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Post by: nigel on July 17, 2021, 11:15:35 AM
Big difference between Delph and Grealish is where the club is now

Delph probably thought he had no chance of winning anything with Villa at that time
but Grealish might take heart in the fact that we have rich owners and are looking ambitious he might well want to be a part of that

And in fairness to Delph he could have gone for free, but did sign a contract to get us some money.
He shouldn’t have said what he did as I think he’d have been ok if he’d kept quiet
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2021, 11:16:49 AM
Medical on Tuesday apparently for the young Chelsea left back Livramento.
This isn't from my friend the coach so no idea how reliable it is.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 17, 2021, 11:50:19 AM
Is that permanent or a loan deal? Heard he's highly rated so will be interesting what we pay if its permanent. If true that is.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2021, 11:54:04 AM
Is that permanent or a loan deal? Heard he's highly rated so will be interesting what we pay if its permanent. If true that is.

I assume its permanent because he's only got a year left on his contract so no way they would loan him out now. I hope it's not bs
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 17, 2021, 11:59:42 AM
Ta. Could be a bargain then if he's running down his contract.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2021, 12:12:08 PM
Ta. Could be a bargain then if he's running down his contract.

He and 1 other youngster flat out rejected new deals so most likely will both leave now. The other kids a right back I think
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2021, 12:43:43 PM
Isn't Liveramento a right back? All the articles (about 2) that I read he was down as a right sided utility type.

There is a highly rated young centre back apparently leaving Chelsea too that I can't remember the name of, and wondered if we were in for him too. We appear to have a very clear strategy for u21 players.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
Right back/right sided midfielder according to Transfermarkt.
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Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
I thought he was a right back too so dismissed it because we've got Kaine-Kessler.
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Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 01:14:51 PM
Isn't Liveramento a right back? All the articles (about 2) that I read he was down as a right sided utility type.

There is a highly rated young centre back apparently leaving Chelsea too that I can't remember the name of, and wondered if we were in for him too. We appear to have a very clear strategy for u21 players.

Transfer threads could be very quiet in future as we're signing up the best young talents around, developing them and then they would go out on loan and then be integrated into the first team squad. It might only be the odd top quality player that we would sign.

Trevor Chalobah may fit that description. Or Marc Guehi.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2021, 01:21:51 PM
Right back/right sided midfielder according to Transfermarkt.

Your right, I must have got him confused with the young lb they have.
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Post by: garyellis on July 17, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Right back/right sided midfielder according to Transfermarkt.
Which may well mean Freddie is off?

Your right, I must have got him confused with the young lb they have.
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Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 01:48:55 PM
"Prospects Tino Livramento, Lewis Bate and Myles Peart-Harris are believed to be stalling on new contracts and have not been included in the first-team’s squad for their pre-season training camp in Scotland." - Daily Express article.

Bate is a midfielder. Peart-Harris is described as an attacking midfielder.

So for it to be a defender it would have to be Livramento although I've also seen some chatter saying it's a Chelsea midfielder, which would suggest one of the previous 2 then.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2021, 02:36:33 PM
The young Chelsea centre back we are supposedly interested in is Dynel Simeu, again highly rated.
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Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 03:07:55 PM
The young Chelsea centre back we are supposedly interested in is Dynel Simeu, again highly rated.

Transfermarkt describe him as being unattached so must have already run his contract down and be available on a free. He's represented England at his youth levels and captained Chelsea last season. Looks like a smart move.
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Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Liveramento....isn't that a makey-uppy name ?
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Post by: brian green on July 17, 2021, 03:39:33 PM
My language checker app says it means peppermint flavoured offal.
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Post by: Matt C on July 17, 2021, 03:39:36 PM
A read on Livramento:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/tino-livramento-european-clubs-queuing-sign-chelsea-academy/158es7jsarh4c1ix0zhhq5lu2h
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2021, 04:22:17 PM
Isn't Liveramento a right back? All the articles (about 2) that I read he was down as a right sided utility type.

There is a highly rated young centre back apparently leaving Chelsea too that I can't remember the name of, and wondered if we were in for him too. We appear to have a very clear strategy for u21 players.

Guehi? Joining Palace for 20m so think I'd pass on that one.

Have no issue with getting the Chelsea kid in. Still don't think DS will give Gulibert much of a chance and he'll probably be moved on deadline day.

Given Cash will start every time he's fit makes no sense to spend 15-20m on a backup. Hopefully he's as good as when Brighton signed this guy as they could probably sell him for 4-5 times what they paid:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51333836
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Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2021, 07:11:59 PM
Seems highly rated, if this is the one we're after:  clickage (https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/chelsea-fans-hail-tino-livramento-for-his-under-18s-performance/)

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Chelsea fans hail Tino Livramento for his Under-18s performances

Chelsea’s Under-18s side booked their spot in the FA Youth Cup final with a victory on Friday night – and some of the club’s supporters on Twitter went wild for the performance of their rising star Tino Livramento.

The Blues beat Manchester United 1-0 in the semi-final at St George’s Park and the goalscorer was forward Bryan Fiabema, who scored early in the second-half.

With the first-team not in action until Saturday against Burnley, there were plenty of Chelsea supporters keeping a close eye on the Under-18s team and picked out one individual as a star man.

ivramento is an attack-minded full-back that assisted the goal with his cross against Man United and was a constant threat flying down the wing.

The 17-year-old speedster has been at Stamford Bridge since he joined the academy as an Under-9 and he’s already represented England at youth level.

He is a right-sided defender that has been playing in Chelsea Under-23s development side this campaign, where he’s beginning to make a real name for himself and he’s a big threat from a wing-back position.

Reece James is a first-team right-back that previously came through the academy ranks, while Tariq Lamptey was another to follow that path before he was eventually sold to Brighton.

Some suggestions from fans are that James should be converted into a midfielder in a similar way to Bayern Munich’s Joshua Kimmich, which would open up room for Livramento as a long-term option at right-back when he develops.

Here are some Chelsea fans discussing Livramento:

Livramento is first team ready!

We need to utilise Reece James the same way Bayern did with Kimmich. Stick him at DM and promote Livramento to the first team

We produce some serious RB’s James, Lamptey and now Livramento

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 08:09:25 PM
If we are in for him, he's going to be some genuine competition for Matty Cash.

"He produced 16 goal involvements (three goals, 13 assists) in 26 academy matches during the 2020-21 season, and was the main outlet for the team’s attacks, often linking up with Lewis Bate and benefiting from his expansive and ambitious passing range."

https://www.goal.com/en/news/tino-livramento-european-clubs-queuing-sign-chelsea-academy/158es7jsarh4c1ix0zhhq5lu2h
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2021, 08:20:54 PM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 17, 2021, 08:32:16 PM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?

It was posted earlier in the thread that he's turned down a new deal as he enters his final year. Perhaps we're becoming quite the pull now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on July 17, 2021, 08:46:14 PM
I think they see Kesler as a right winger, although I know he’s supposedly a right back. In a lot of the games I saw him play, he started as a winger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 17, 2021, 09:58:16 PM
Guess there's also the question of whether it's better for Kesler is ready to properly challenge Matty Cash for that starting berth yet. He might be better off going out on loan this time round, getting a bit more experience.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2021, 10:11:56 PM
I think they see Kesler as a right winger, although I know he’s supposedly a right back. In a lot of the games I saw him play, he started as a winger.

Watches GB News, doesn’t support taking the knee, etc?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2021, 10:39:23 PM
I think they see Kesler as a right winger, although I know he’s supposedly a right back. In a lot of the games I saw him play, he started as a winger.

Yeah I've heard that too, which would make the Livramento link more plausible than if we saw Kesler developing into a right back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2021, 10:41:28 PM
Watching Kesler I think he could potentially play in a more box to box midfield role too, he has the energy and ability to play a lot of positions from the few games I saw him in. Real talent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2021, 10:41:46 PM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?

Same reason why they let Lamptey go, won't get in ahead of Reece James and Azpilicueta still played a good amount last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 17, 2021, 10:57:31 PM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?
As could be said with Arsenal with Martinez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 07:28:17 AM
He's clearly decided there is no path to the first team at Chelsea and has turned down a contract offer. Whether he is good enough to force a way in at Villa we will have to see.

Our investment in youth and younger players is on a different scale to anything I can ever recall us doing though. It's clearly a long term strategy to build a team that can maintain sustainable success. In my opinion we are 2-3 players in the squad from sustaining a top 6 push, but it would be great if 2-3 of the youngsters can then come through and be Premier league players for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on July 18, 2021, 07:38:40 AM
Or if 2 or 3 have to be moved on for decent money then it funds bigger purchases.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 07:42:14 AM
Agreed. Not sure we need to stockpile 60 odd out on loan the way Chelsea do though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2021, 08:30:20 AM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?
reminds me of my school days :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2021, 08:51:20 AM
So why let him go? Is he a moody teen who acts like a dick in the canteen?
reminds me of my school days :)
he might think that breaking into the first team at Chelsea is somewhat unlikely.
The club basis its youth development program on recruiting loaning and selling
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2021, 09:23:29 AM
This investment for the future is brilliant and very welcome, especially as Dean never has an issue in playing them but I would like a couple that instantly strengthens the first 11 other than Buendia (I see young as a very experienced back up utility squad player)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
I still think we need an out and out defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
This investment for the future is brilliant and very welcome, especially as Dean never has an issue in playing them but I would like a couple that instantly strengthens the first 11 other than Buendia (I see young as a very experienced back up utility squad player)

I sincerely hope so. A top quality defensive, and to quality attaching central midfielder for me. And a striker punt Benteke style.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2021, 11:51:09 AM
Boggies linked with hourihane. Would make a nice part exchange for Periera.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2021, 01:13:51 PM
I still think we need an out and out defensive midfielder.
I do too - then Luiz can battle McGinn for the other CM position.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2021, 01:45:58 PM
This investment for the future is brilliant and very welcome, especially as Dean never has an issue in playing them but I would like a couple that instantly strengthens the first 11 other than Buendia (I see young as a very experienced back up utility squad player)

I would be very surprised if we don’t get a couple of first 11 players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2021, 01:47:19 PM
I still think we need an out and out defensive midfielder.
I do too - then Luiz can battle McGinn for the other CM position.

Luiz alongside said defensive midfielder and McGinn further forward for me. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 18, 2021, 02:06:54 PM
"McGinn further forward for me"

Yes please
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 02:41:14 PM
McGinn looked much better in the last couple of games of the season when Nakamba came in and gave him license to get forward more.

Our midfield needs a little refining. Top quality holding midfielder who can protect the defence and help us to retain the ball better and a quality number 10 who can create/score goals himself playing off of Watkins. That's where I think the majority of us see the biggest investment being made. 1 or 2 cover players on top.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 18, 2021, 02:45:15 PM
I saw some article very recently where it was stating that Dean Smith plans on using McGinn as a 6 with loads of pissed off villa responses to the news. No idea how reliable the source was.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
I think that was a speculative Birmingham Mail article that based that analysis on Luiz being away for the Olympics at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 03:42:04 PM
McGinn looked much better in the last couple of games of the season when Nakamba came in and gave him license to get forward more.

Our midfield needs a little refining. Top quality holding midfielder who can protect the defence and help us to retain the ball better and a quality number 10 who can create/score goals himself playing off of Watkins. That's where I think the majority of us see the biggest investment being made. 1 or 2 cover players on top.

Don't you see a future for Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey Sr ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
Not playing off Watkins and maybe Luiz can play as a holding midfielder but Sanson and Ramsey, I see as number 8's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2021, 04:13:36 PM
I think Dean will be looking for a marquee signing, like he did with Barkley last season, ok, I know it didn't work out for Ross at Villa but I still expect us to pull off a surprise.   Either that, or a fantastic set piece expert to take advantage of the free kicks that Jack and Emi will win for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
McGinn looked much better in the last couple of games of the season when Nakamba came in and gave him license to get forward more.

Our midfield needs a little refining. Top quality holding midfielder who can protect the defence and help us to retain the ball better and a quality number 10 who can create/score goals himself playing off of Watkins. That's where I think the majority of us see the biggest investment being made. 1 or 2 cover players on top.

I think McGinn could play in that ‘number 10’ role with Sanson as back up.  Just think he could really lead the press from that position and put pressure on teams in their defensive third. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on July 18, 2021, 04:37:35 PM
I think Dean will be looking for a marquee signing, like he did with Barkley last season, ok, I know it didn't work out for Ross at Villa but I still expect us to pull off a surprise.   Either that, or a fantastic set piece expert to take advantage of the free kicks that Jack and Emi will win for us.
Whispers_avfc suggesting on Twitter that “talks with Southampton are growing” - assume that means JWP could still be on ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Allan C on July 18, 2021, 04:37:47 PM
This investment for the future is brilliant and very welcome, especially as Dean never has an issue in playing them but I would like a couple that instantly strengthens the first 11 other than Buendia (I see young as a very experienced back up utility squad player)

I sincerely hope so. A top quality defensive, and to quality attaching central midfielder for me. And a striker punt Benteke style.
Said it before on here and I’ll say it again. Danny Ings would be a great signing. He’ll score goals if he gets the service, a quality striker with a year left on his contract
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 04:48:50 PM
JWP would be a quality signing. Having a genuine set piece taker that contributes to the team at the same time would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 04:59:36 PM
Ings has turned down a new deal at Southampton so they have to decide whether to listen to offers or get one more year out of him. I'd be surprised if they let their two best players go in the same window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 05:41:07 PM
They seem intent on keeping Ings and letting him go free. £20m for his goals this season is nothing, so I'd keep him if I was them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 18, 2021, 05:41:38 PM
I hope the rumours of a bid for a Southampton player mean we are serious about signing JWP.

His energy and quality would certainly add something to our midfield where we need to find a balance that works more consistently - it feels at times like square pegs in round holes at the moment.

I don't see the merit in signing Ings - though I think he is a very decent player when fit. He's not going to get in the side ahead of Watkins and we would have to change our approach with him involved in any event and he would be too expensive and a risk as a back-up option given his injury record. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 05:54:21 PM
They seem intent on keeping Ings and letting him go free. £20m for his goals this season is nothing, so I'd keep him if I was them.

So would I. Also gives them time to work on how to replace him next year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 18, 2021, 06:06:44 PM
I really hope we go for JWP, he could be that final fit within our midfield and some in to help us push into the top six. He’s quality in the ball and his set pieces will give us another serious threat. He’s also full of energy which would suit our system.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 06:34:28 PM
Watkins will be our main striker whoever we sign so I really don't see us being in for Ings. Age and playing regularly are things we look for in signings and he has neither.

JWP would be a quality signing and would add a lot but it wouldn't surprise me if we were in for Romeu either. It may not be one that excites but he's very under-rated and his stats are very impressive. You only have to look at Southampton's win/loss record with and without him to see how much of a difference he makes to them and it's a position that we need to strengthen in.

Obviously, I wouldn't be adverse to signing them both :).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2021, 07:10:17 PM
I hope the rumours of a bid for a Southampton player mean we are serious about signing JWP.

His energy and quality would certainly add something to our midfield where we need to find a balance that works more consistently - it feels at times like square pegs in round holes at the moment.

I don't see the merit in signing Ings - though I think he is a very decent player when fit. He's not going to get in the side ahead of Watkins and we would have to change our approach with him involved in any event and he would be too expensive and a risk as a back-up option given his injury record. UTV.

Not entirely sure signing Ward-Prowse would solve some of the issues we have had in midfield.  Think he would be a good signing, but we would still need a more physical presence in there even if we did sign him. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2021, 07:31:31 PM
One of the key things with JWP, other than his quality at set pieces, is his ability to lead the press. That’s something that would really suit our style.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2021, 07:46:54 PM
Might not be JWP from Southampton who we’ve enquired about…..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2021, 07:49:23 PM
That’d be annoying, because he’s the best option there and I include Ings in that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 18, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Oriol Romeu, Kyle Walker-Peters?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2021, 07:56:12 PM
Might not be JWP from Southampton who we’ve enquired about…..

You tease!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 08:05:36 PM
Romeu was linked earlier this summer to be fair
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2021, 08:07:44 PM
Romeu is reasonable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2021, 08:08:11 PM
'Whispers' also says a right back going out on loan, bid for a Chelsea player, and a medical booked for wednesday. Might be utter bollocks, but wouldn't be surprised to see Guilbert loaned back out as Dean doesn't seem to want him in the team. Might also add weight to the rumoured move for Livramento, which would make more sense if Guilbert was going.

Southampton have some good players, but hope its Ward-Prowse as we need that sort of player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
Romeu was linked earlier this summer to be fair

He’s a good player too. And the kind that would probably take well to being part of a squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 08:18:14 PM
Smith is believed to be a fan of Romeu.

I've seen comments from Southampton fans saying that the player that would hurt them the most to lose would be Romeu.

Romeu started 20 games and their goals against was 1.2 and expected goals against was 0.97. In the 12 games he didn't start, those stats rose to 2.2 and 1.8 respectively.

Good article on him here - https://theathletic.co.uk/2546199/2021/04/28/romeu-relentless-in-rehab-while-learning-japanese-and-about-business-as-southampton-suffer-without-him/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2021, 08:53:40 PM
I thought he was superb in the game we won down there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on July 18, 2021, 08:56:52 PM
A very under rated defensive midfielder. Be interested to see his stats versus Bissouma, Anguissa and the likes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on July 18, 2021, 09:11:35 PM
I'd take him for a couple of years until Raikhy comes through. He's different to what we have, rarely crosses the halfway line, cuts out or hacks down the opposition. Would be a sensible signing for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2021, 09:18:58 PM
I’ve not heard who it is but we defo enquired about Romeu earlier this summer. I’d love him and JWP. Romeu least gives us that tough tackling CM we’ve lacked for ages
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2021, 09:22:02 PM
Can he take free kicks? Not having a proper free kick taker in a team that has Jack Grealish in it is a waste.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
Compensation fee of about £500k expected for Livramento.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2021, 09:33:35 PM
Didn't we nearly sign Romeu when Houllier was here?

Incredible he's still only 29. I agree he's decent and when he got injured Southampton barely won a game for the three months he was out. Better than Nakamba so for 4-5m I think it would be good deal for 2-3 seasons.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 18, 2021, 09:35:46 PM
I think Romeu is more than decent. He's very good.
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Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2021, 09:36:44 PM
Might not be JWP from Southampton who we’ve enquired about…..

You tease!

Shane Long.

At Long last.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2021, 09:59:11 PM
Romeu is a great player but he is 30 in September and doesn't really fit our purchasing criteria, great signing though he would be. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 10:05:42 PM
Our purchasing criteria doesn't mean we'll never buy players in their late-20s or older. We'll still have a fairly young average age after we buy someone from Southampton.

There's always space for an experienced head like Ashley Young. He's a versatile utility player on a one year deal (and as fit as ever he's been in his career after a year with Conte). No harm in another of that type (preferably closer to 30 than 35).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2021, 10:23:07 PM
I'd love Romeu at Villa as I think he's a cracking player and every once in a while, we should break our criteria of buying younger players, but are we likely to spend around 40mill on a near 30 year old? Risk versus reward would be worth it if we get him at his best for the next 4 years but it would be a break from our usual operating model.  There is always room for an older head, especially when they are free.  Sign Romeu, as there are plenty of other players already purchased who we will make a profit on if we sell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
40m...is that what the speculated price is? Christ almighty...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 18, 2021, 11:29:15 PM
In regard to JWP.,If we signed him I'd wish him well, obviously, but I wonder whether we're blinded by those (excellent) free kicks he scored against us. I haven't really watched many Southampton games, so I'm talking from a position of ignorance, but there's something that screams "Alan Thompson, 1995" about such a deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2021, 11:40:41 PM
Romeu wouldn't be £40 million surely!?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2021, 11:53:43 PM
In regard to JWP.,If we signed him I'd wish him well, obviously, but I wonder whether we're blinded by those (excellent) free kicks he scored against us. I haven't really watched many Southampton games, so I'm talking from a position of ignorance, but there's something that screams "Alan Thompson, 1995" about such a deal.

*1998 weren't it? But I kind of agree. I only watch Saints games when they play us and the last two seasons at VP he's been the best player on the pitch but they were heavily weighted by his free kick success.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2021, 11:56:31 PM
Romeu would cost less than 10m.

They sold Hojbjerg to Spurs for 15m last summer when he had one year left on his contract and he is 5 years younger than Romeu.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2021, 12:03:01 AM
In regard to JWP.,If we signed him I'd wish him well, obviously, but I wonder whether we're blinded by those (excellent) free kicks he scored against us. I haven't really watched many Southampton games, so I'm talking from a position of ignorance, but there's something that screams "Alan Thompson, 1995" about such a deal.

*1998 weren't it? But I kind of agree. I only watch Saints games when they play us and the last two seasons at VP he's been the best player on the pitch but they were heavily weighted by his free kick success.

You're right. We signed him then, but I had known for three years prior to it happening that it wouldn't work. *Taps nose*
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2021, 12:07:37 AM
We get fucking loads of free kicks. I reckon JWP would only need to score one out of every ten to finish the season as top scorer. For that reason, get him in.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
With our persistent linkage to number 10s, we could really annoy Arsenal and outbid them for Maddison.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2021, 01:11:28 AM
Romeu would cost less than 10m.

They sold Hojbjerg to Spurs for 15m last summer when he had one year left on his contract and he is 5 years younger than Romeu.

Romeu is 30 in September but has two years on his contract.
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Post by: Matt C on July 19, 2021, 01:18:54 AM
Looking at 15m+ for Romeu I would think. If they need money to make their own signings maybe it’ll make sense for Southampton to let him go.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2021, 08:11:03 AM
have any of these stories included the following - 'bracing' 'readying' 'weighing up'  'preparing' and 'war chest'. If not, then I'm calling bullshit.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 19, 2021, 08:38:16 AM
Romeu would be a stop-gap signing because of his age. It would make sense I suppose if we were going all out to try and nick a CL place in the next season or so. Trouble with that is we may have the 1st team to do it, but we certainly haven't got the squad unless we get really lucky with injuries.
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Post by: Monty on July 19, 2021, 09:44:20 AM
Stopgap of about 3 years though, I'd guess. I'd like him, good at the off-the-ball stuff but also moves the ball very quickly.
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Post by: algy on July 19, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Stopgap of about 3 years though, I'd guess. I'd like him, good at the off-the-ball stuff but also moves the ball very quickly.
If we weren't planning on flogging him on, maybe more.  You'd think a defensive midfielder would be usually good for playing PL football up to maybe 35-ish, and slightly older than that (37/38?) if they look after themselves / avoid bad injuries.

Reported that we've had a bid turned down by Northampton for Chucky's elder brother.  Assume we're trying to bring him in as a Michael Standing (for Gareth Barry) or Ollie Stephens (for Jack) type player to support them, tho he's played a bit for Northampton so might be a decent enough cheap punt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2021, 09:54:17 AM
Fernandinho is still a quality player at the age of 36 and a few of you are saying at 29, he would be a stop gap! If we did sign him, he may stick around longer than you might imagine.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 19, 2021, 10:03:07 AM
Think Chukwuemeka the Elder is a pacy forward. Vaguely remember is being linked with him last year
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2021, 10:09:08 AM
In regard to JWP.,If we signed him I'd wish him well, obviously, but I wonder whether we're blinded by those (excellent) free kicks he scored against us. I haven't really watched many Southampton games, so I'm talking from a position of ignorance, but there's something that screams "Alan Thompson, 1995" about such a deal.
He's an excellent player, very versatile, incredible energy and real quality on the ball.  Southampton fans absolutely love him.  My only concern is where would we be thinking of playing him?  For me his best role seems to be more a box to box player and I feel we have that covered with Luiz and McGinn.  Even so, if Smith does actually want him and we get him then it can only be great news.   I think it would take a huge bid to get him though, he's their captain and talisman, they don't really need money so won't be in any rush to sell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 19, 2021, 10:12:00 AM
Fernandinho is still a quality player at the age of 36 and a few of you are saying at 29, he would be a stop gap! If we did sign him, he may stick around longer than you might imagine.

Well he only played 20 league games though and is he totally doing the DM role now? This graph is interesting if a season out of date.

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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2021, 10:44:32 AM
Nakamba's right up there.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 19, 2021, 10:50:21 AM
Nakamba's right up there.

Indeed. In the traditional DM role of breaking up attacks he's up there. Now he just needs to learn to pass the ball to someone good once he's won it ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2021, 11:22:30 AM
ESR to sit down for talks tomorrow and decide on his future with Arsenal according to Whispers.
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Post by: algy on July 19, 2021, 11:32:44 AM
ESR to sit down for talks tomorrow and decide on his future with Arsenal according to Whispers.
Interesting that they've just signed White for £50m (pending a medical).  Thought at the time that us signing ESR was linked to that transfer.  Don't get the impression that they have the financial position to be spending £70m-ish without selling anyone.
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Post by: jwarry on July 19, 2021, 11:39:24 AM
Was thinking the window seems slow for all clubs at the moment, then noticed Watford have brought 9 in!
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Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2021, 11:40:05 AM
How many have you heard of?
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Post by: robbo1874 on July 19, 2021, 11:45:07 AM
ESR to sit down for talks tomorrow and decide on his future with Arsenal according to Whispers.
Interesting that they've just signed White for £50m (pending a medical).  Thought at the time that us signing ESR was linked to that transfer.  Don't get the impression that they have the financial position to be spending £70m-ish without selling anyone.
if the arse signed White for 50m - what fee are we looking at for ESR? I’ve genuinely never heard of him before these rumours and the bids started. 35-40m?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 19, 2021, 11:47:30 AM
ESR to sit down for talks tomorrow and decide on his future with Arsenal according to Whispers.
Interesting that they've just signed White for £50m (pending a medical).  Thought at the time that us signing ESR was linked to that transfer.  Don't get the impression that they have the financial position to be spending £70m-ish without selling anyone.

yep. I think it depends how much influence Arteta has with Arsenal's owners. He's not going to survive another middling season like the last one so if the funds aren't there, it comes down to backing him by raising funds by selling a promising youth player or forcing him to deal with it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
ESR to sit down for talks tomorrow and decide on his future with Arsenal according to Whispers.
Interesting that they've just signed White for £50m (pending a medical).  Thought at the time that us signing ESR was linked to that transfer.  Don't get the impression that they have the financial position to be spending £70m-ish without selling anyone.
if the arse signed White for 50m - what fee are we looking at for ESR? I’ve genuinely never heard of him before these rumours and the bids started. 35-40m?
In my view ESR is a great prospect, but with the amount of games under his belt £25-30m sounds plenty.  Unfortunately he's become a bit of a talisman / cult figure with their fans who seem desperate to keep him, so there's huge pressure on the owners to hang on to him and not be seen to be selling off 'one of their own'  It now seems to have become more an issue of principle which is a shame as it looks to have taken his price well beyond his worth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 19, 2021, 12:34:55 PM
I really like ESR, going to be a great player. I can’t see this happening and if it did I’d be more than a touch concerned about Jack leaving.

He will 100% sign a new contract for them and Jack will stay.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2021, 01:26:06 PM
Romeu would cost less than 10m.

They sold Hojbjerg to Spurs for 15m last summer when he had one year left on his contract and he is 5 years younger than Romeu.

Romeu is 30 in September but has two years on his contract.

Ah right then, probably looking at similar price to the Spurs lad then. Another way of looking at it though...had a long term injury this season, Southampton probably aren't bothered about giving him next 4 year deal if he's hitting 30 soon and they'd rather get 15m for him than have to sell Ings or JWP otherwise in serious danger of relegation.

If it's a serious interest I think we can sign him.
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 19, 2021, 01:27:09 PM
Was thinking the window seems slow for all clubs at the moment, then noticed Watford have brought 9 in!

Watford probably need to bring in similar to what we did 2 years ago
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Watford signed likes of Josh King and want Lemina from Southampton so very Steve Bruce esque if we'd won 2018 play off final.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2021, 01:33:42 PM
They will be buying Philip Billing next.

I think Watford and Norwich look half decent squad wise though. Don't think the bottom 3 is nailed on to predict.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: exigo on July 19, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
What is this bottom 3 of which you speak? Vaguely rings a bell.
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Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2021, 02:30:14 PM
They will be buying Philip Billing next.

I think Watford and Norwich look half decent squad wise though. Don't think the bottom 3 is nailed on to predict.

Aye, for a promoted side, Naawich's business looks good so far.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
They'll go down. They're Norwich.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2021, 03:10:03 PM
Got to fancy Palace to go down with their rebuild and Viera.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
Got to fancy Palace to go down with their rebuild and Viera.

I am sure that from a coaching point of view the players will respect Viera. But I am pretty certain Viera has very little experience of rebuilding a squad. If Palace don't have a decent director of football or somebody else in that type of role handling the transfers they could be in big trouble next season.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 19, 2021, 04:13:07 PM
Brentford haven't signed many players yet
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Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2021, 04:41:33 PM
Got to fancy Palace to go down with their rebuild and Viera.

I am sure that from a coaching point of view the players will respect Viera. But I am pretty certain Viera has very little experience of rebuilding a squad. If Palace don't have a decent director of football or somebody else in that type of role handling the transfers they could be in big trouble next season.

Dougie Freedman is their DoF. Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 19, 2021, 05:29:31 PM
Sambi Lokonga, 21 yr old midfielder in at the Arse...  ESR back on?!  War chests at the ready, resolve to be tested etc etc.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2021, 05:46:22 PM
There's not a chance in hell we'll get Smith Rowe.

We do need to get a wriggle on with a couple more in though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2021, 05:53:56 PM
Sambi Lokonga, 21 yr old midfielder in at the Arse...  ESR back on?!  War chests at the ready, resolve to be tested etc etc.
we are preparing the bid
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 19, 2021, 06:33:34 PM
Sambi Lokonga, 21 yr old midfielder in at the Arse...  ESR back on?!  War chests at the ready, resolve to be tested etc etc.


we are preparing the bid


is the arsed braced ?
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Post by: CT on July 19, 2021, 09:26:32 PM
Sambi Lokonga, 21 yr old midfielder in at the Arse...  ESR back on?!  War chests at the ready, resolve to be tested etc etc.


we are preparing the bid


is the arsed braced ?

We are preparing to swoop on the arse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2021, 09:43:16 PM
Sambi Lokonga, 21 yr old midfielder in at the Arse...  ESR back on?!  War chests at the ready, resolve to be tested etc etc.

Gutted.

You can't have enough Alberts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 19, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Slightly gutted that the link to the Uruguayan De Arrascaeta has gone quiet.

I just really liked the idea of having a Uruguayan player.
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Post by: Dave on July 19, 2021, 10:19:54 PM
One-time Di Matteo favourite Gollini apparently signing for Spurs as the medium-term successor to Lloris.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2021, 10:20:31 PM
Slightly gutted that the link to the Uruguayan De Arrascaeta has gone quiet.

I just really liked the idea of having a Uruguayan player.

Wouldn't mind us having one of the dirtier ones, as used to be, for that DCM role.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2021, 10:24:58 PM
I don't think we've ever had a Spain international. We need Spain and Uruguay internationals to have had at least one each from all the World Cup winning teams (I'm counting West Germany and Germany as the same team otherwise it's impossible to achieve without a TARDIS).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2021, 10:25:35 PM
Ah, hang on, just remembered Pepe Reina! Just Uruguay, then.
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Post by: OCD on July 19, 2021, 10:33:05 PM
Let's sign Romeu just to be safe :)
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Post by: KevinGage on July 20, 2021, 02:06:46 AM
Romeu was one of the players Houllier was going to sign, had he stayed on back in the day.

Along with Mathieu Debuchy, Valencia's Éver Finger Banega and Jason Scotland.
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Post by: Clive W on July 20, 2021, 08:56:31 AM
DT reporting that we are in for McNeil - along with Everton
Everton apparently value him at £25m but Burnley want double that!
Wow!!

It’s not a  Percy article btw
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2021, 09:07:26 AM
DT reporting that we are in for McNeil - along with Everton
Everton apparently value him at £25m but Burnley want double that!
Wow!!

It’s not a  Percy article btw
I personally don't think McNeil would add much to our squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
I think he's quality. He was superb in the second half of our defeat there, and his delivery on his left peg consistently hurt us. With the fact he presses well, has a bit of pace and is only 21, I would think he'd be very useful. Especially if it allowed Jack to be rotated and rested a bit more.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2021, 09:22:48 AM
Think we only should go after McNeil if Jack Grealish goes or the plan is to play him in a more central role.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 20, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
Off subject, but apparently if Southampton did sell Ings, they would have to give Liverpool 20% of the fee. So if they sold him for 20M, they'd get 16M back.

So they might as well just keep him and let him go for free next season.
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Post by: Monty on July 20, 2021, 09:32:11 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
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Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2021, 09:33:26 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.

Selling Jack and replacing him with anyone other than one of about 1% of the players in the world would represent a massive step backwards.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
well if they want 50m for him its too daft to contemplate. There's paying over the odds and there's getting robbed blind.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2021, 09:34:00 AM
Off subject, but apparently if Southampton did sell Ings, they would have to give Liverpool 20% of the fee. So if they sold him for 20M, they'd get 16M back.

So they might as well just keep him and let him go for free next season.
But by that rationale they'd effectively be paying £16m + wages to own Ings for a season.  That seems expensive to me.

* not expensive if he is the difference between relegation and staying up of course, but it's money they could use elsewhere and they have a decent track record in the transfer market.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 20, 2021, 09:35:13 AM
True, but if they are relegated because they ship hik off, then it wasn't worth it
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2021, 09:36:16 AM
True, but if they are relegated because they ship hik off, then it wasn't worth it
Yes true.  Your post just beat my edit.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 20, 2021, 09:36:16 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.

Not often is a statement made that everyone one on the site agrees with...
I'm still not allowing the Grealish paranoia to touch me.  I'm struggling enough with anti-vaxxers and lixard people theorists, it's way down the list for me.
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Post by: Monty on July 20, 2021, 09:37:40 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.

Selling Jack and replacing him with anyone other than one of about 1% of the players in the world would represent a massive step backwards.

Sure, but 50m on McNeil because 'Prem Leegg expeerianse!' would be as shit as it gets.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2021, 09:39:45 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.
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Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
He would be an improvement on the last McNeil we had at the club.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 20, 2021, 09:50:52 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.

He has the workrate of Trez and the skill of El Ghazi, and would be an upgrade on either of them. I have seen anywhere between £20 and £50m touted, at the top end he would be too expensive, but if it were closer to £20m I'd be all for signing him. Obviously not as a Jack replacement though!

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Post by: caster troy on July 20, 2021, 10:08:19 AM
For what it's worth 'Whispers' said we only enquired about McNeill when we had an enquiry for Jack so he may have been more of a contingency plan than plan A.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2021, 10:10:04 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.

He has the workrate of Trez and the skill of El Ghazi, and would be an upgrade on either of them.

If this is true, why doesn't he actually seem to do very much with it?

I get that Burnley as a team don't score all that many and that he's still very young, and would almost certainly be better in a more creative team.

But given he is their main outlet, I'd expect more than the two goals he had scored in each of his three seasons.

El Ghazi scored five in sixteen days last season. McNeill has scored five goals in the last two and a half years.
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Post by: algy on July 20, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
I'd assume if we were signing McNeil, it'd be to move Jack to a more central role.  Think he'd be a good purchase at the right price, but I'm not sure the right price for us is the same as the right price for Burnley.

For us, I think if we ended up paying £35m for him, we'd have still got a decent enough deal given he's a promising player who's had a couple of years playing regularly at this level.  Much more than that, though, and you'd start questioning whether or not we're getting good value for money.

From Burnley's perspective, does it make sense to sell their most promising player for £35m when they've still got 3 years left to run on their contract?  Probably not.  I think if I were them, I'd be asking for considerably more than that.  He'd only go for that sort of price if they were in a bad way financially, and I've generally had the impression in the past that they're pretty well run in that regard.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 20, 2021, 10:50:02 AM
Why would Ings swap playing every week (with the chance of getting back into the England squad if he scores a few goals) and swap that for sitting on our bench and getting 20 mins football every couple of weeks?

would it be all about the cash in his bank if he did join us?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2021, 11:00:21 AM
Being linked to Watford's Will hughes all over the place on that there Twitter.  :o
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Post by: Dave on July 20, 2021, 11:02:13 AM
Why would Ings swap playing every week (with the chance of getting back into the England squad if he scores a few goals) and swap that for sitting on our bench and getting 20 mins football every couple of weeks?

would it be all about the cash in his bank if he did join us?

And by all accounts Southampton are happy to throw all the money at him.

On the other hand though, who does he join where is nailed on, first-choice?

West Ham? Spurs if they sell Kane? They're maybe slight upgrades on Southampton, but I can't imagine he's off to Man City to replace Aguero...
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 20, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
Being linked to Watford's Will hughes all over the place on that there Twitter.  :o

Would be one of the most underwhelming signings ever, up there with Kinsella and Leonhardsen.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Being linked to Watford's Will hughes all over the place on that there Twitter.  :o

Would be one of the most underwhelming signings ever, up there with Kinsella and Leonhardsen.

To be fair the original source doesn't look up to much. It's trending on Twitter mainly because of villa fans saying "god, not him"  ;D
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Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2021, 11:25:31 AM
Will Hughes is as "meh" a signing as we could make.

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Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2021, 11:41:10 AM
He feels like the heir apparent to Henri Lansbury's throne.
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Post by: levico on July 20, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
I rarely react to signing rumours, good or bad but I just can’t resist this Will Hughes one.

This would be a totally baffling signing and would be in conflict with the current ambition of our glorious owners and competence of everyone running the club.

Hopefully just a cruel rumour spread by our rivals. If so they’ve sunk pretty low with this one.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2021, 11:58:45 AM
No to Winks, no to Hughes, no to Ramsey. Go get someone that will have the rest of the league cowering in fear not doubled over in laughter.
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Post by: not3bad on July 20, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
To be fair not even Newsnow has picked up on this one.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2021, 12:34:37 PM
To be fair not even Newsnow has picked up on this one.

Daily Express journo is the source I think. Ryan Taylor (whooo?)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 20, 2021, 12:35:12 PM
I'm reading the end of your post like you're a scary ghost.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2021, 12:37:00 PM
heh. probably the best way to read it to be fair.
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Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
I'm reading the end of your post like you're a scary ghost.

In fairness,  he does haunt the politics thread.
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Post by: OCD on July 20, 2021, 12:40:08 PM
To be fair not even Newsnow has picked up on this one.

It did but a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by: oldtimernow on July 20, 2021, 12:49:28 PM
It seems to me that if McNeill is a hybrid of ElGhazi and Trez then Everton have come up with the correct buying valuation which is nowhere near the seller's valuation
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Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2021, 12:57:07 PM
It seems to me that if McNeill is a hybrid of ElGhazi and Trez then Everton have come up with the correct buying valuation which is nowhere near the seller's valuation

He might end up being a very good player but right now he has nothing like enough end product to be worth more than the £25m suggested by Everton.

2 goals and 5 assists last season so roughly 1 goal involvement every 4 games and that's pretty much the same for his career to date so it's not like he's improving year on year either. Right now he's not an upgrade on any of the 5 wide players we have in the squad and I'd rather see Philogene-Bidace get game time that spend huge money on him on the chance that he's better than he's shown at Burnley.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2021, 01:49:00 PM
No surprise from Burnley. West Ham wanted Tarkowski last summer and they quoted 50m for him!

If we're spending 40-50m ever on wide player it needs to be someone proven in top league with many international caps/tournaments and fair few seasons in europa/CL.

These players don't even cost that much either given Traore ticked some of those boxes and he was under 20m. Think Saint Maximn at Newcastle was about 23m.

That's the downside of buying domestic sometimes. They're good players but for the prices quoted simply won't be the game changers we need in the long term.

Reminds me of just over a decade ago Spurs getting in Van Der Vaart and Modric and leapfrogging us pretty quickly.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2021, 02:09:48 PM
In fairness at £25m I think for his age it would be a decent buy. At £45m I would hope to do exactly what you are saying Soccer, buy 2 established players from a top European team. If Locatelli is £34m and Auoar £25m, then there is value to be had. There is also the profile aspect. We are in danger of hitting the Martin O'Neill wall if we don't buy outside that criteria. Traore proved that there is value, his goal/assist return for the money was exceptionally good in fairness to him.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 20, 2021, 02:16:25 PM
It seems to me that if McNeill is a hybrid of ElGhazi and Trez then Everton have come up with the correct buying valuation which is nowhere near the seller's valuation

Burnley is McNeill's level. A bottom half of the Premier League player.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2021, 02:24:16 PM
Rumours Perriera from West Brom is going to West Ham. With Benrahma, Bowen, Lanzini, etc already there, they are going to have some goals in them again next season.
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 20, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
Being linked to Watford's Will hughes all over the place on that there Twitter.  :o

Sounds like the Mick McCarthy manager rumour
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 20, 2021, 02:26:21 PM
It seems to me that if McNeill is a hybrid of ElGhazi and Trez then Everton have come up with the correct buying valuation which is nowhere near the seller's valuation

Burnley is McNeill's level. A bottom half of the Premier League player.
Yeah, when people talk of him being an upgrade on Trez/El Ghazi - I'm sure they're right, but I'm not sure being in for a player who improves our squad is what we need right now.

I'm fairly comfortable with our squad, given that we're not in Europe so at most are going to be topping out at, what, 50 games if we get to the final of both the League Cup & FA Cup?

McNeil just seems to me like a player that Burnley would value quite a lot higher than we do.  He's far harder for them to replace than it is for us to buy a player of similar quality.

Also think, I can see the sense in a 'buy British (based)' policy for players going straight in to the first team.  They'll need less time to settle, and will quite probably know a few players at the club anyway I'd guess.  If they're coming in as squad players, though - ones where you can afford them to be only being a bit part player for the first season - then I think we'd find better value looking abroad.  If Alvarez is available for £10m, for example, and Sanson cost £12m or so, Traore £18m, ... that's peanuts in Premier League terms.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2021, 02:32:12 PM
Rumours Perriera from West Brom is going to West Ham. With Benrahma, Bowen, Lanzini, etc already there, they are going to have some goals in them again next season.

Would've thought they'd have got Lingard full time. Interesting Moyes is filling team full of behind the striker types as they only have Antonio upfront and he'd be shifted back out wide if they got in a CF.

Said it before but if there's any chance of getting Bowen that's someone I think would do a decent job for us over next few seasons, playing out on the left and filling in at CF whenever Ollie isn't around.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2021, 02:37:00 PM
McNeill is the sort of player Everton spend 40m on, to see him then underwhelm for several years before moving back to Burnley
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Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
Rumours Perriera from West Brom is going to West Ham. With Benrahma, Bowen, Lanzini, etc already there, they are going to have some goals in them again next season.

Would've thought they'd have got Lingard full time. Interesting Moyes is filling team full of behind the striker types as they only have Antonio upfront and he'd be shifted back out wide if they got in a CF.

Said it before but if there's any chance of getting Bowen that's someone I think would do a decent job for us over next few seasons, playing out on the left and filling in at CF whenever Ollie isn't around.

I would happily have Bowen and Benrahma to be fair. Think both would get a fair amount of game time here.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2021, 02:41:25 PM
Will Hughes is a decent player, ok on the ball and a good pass, but honestly don't see what he adds to the squad when we have that covered by Luiz, McGinn & Ramsey.  You could say the same about JWP re the position, but of course he's an infinitely better player and would add real depth.  But I'm struggling to understand why we'd be spending money on this type of midfielder when surely what we need most is a quality DM amd a 10?

As for McNeil, he'd be an upgrade to the squad, provide cover for Jack and allow him to play more centrally when needed.  I like how direct he is and a bit like Harrison at Leeds sometimes it's good to have that type of player to drive you forward at pace and with an excellent early cross.  This makes some sense to me at c £25m, but it feels more like a small step and I'd just hope there's better value and quality out there.
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Post by: oldtimernow on July 20, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
Will Hughes is a decent player, ok on the ball and a good pass, but honestly don't see what he adds to the squad when we have that covered by Luiz, McGinn & Ramsey.  You could say the same about JWP re the position, but of course he's an infinitely better player and would add real depth.  But I'm struggling to understand why we'd be spending money on this type of midfielder when surely what we need most is a quality DM amd a 10?

As for McNeil, he'd be an upgrade to the squad, provide cover for Jack and allow him to play more centrally when needed.  I like how direct he is and a bit like Harrison at Leeds sometimes it's good to have that type of player to drive you forward at pace and with an excellent early cross.  This makes some sense to me at c £25m, but it feels more like a small step and I'd just hope there's better value and quality out there.

I think £20m +add ons would be about right for where we are at the moment and . Romeu for £10m would be reasonable business. Would leave space for Tammy and JWP too?
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2021, 03:25:09 PM
Heard Sigurdsson may be available for a cut price...
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Post by: sid1964 on July 20, 2021, 03:41:22 PM
Will Hughes - if true another signing that is going to push us towards the top 6!! - Hopefully it is just rumour (although by next week knowing Villa he will have signed a 5 year contract with us)

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Post by: Tayls_7 on July 20, 2021, 03:45:47 PM
Will Hughes - if true another signing that is going to push us towards the top 6!! - Hopefully it is just rumour (although by next week knowing Villa he will have signed a 5 year contract with us)

Have you considered living in the present Sid?
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Post by: CT on July 20, 2021, 03:48:20 PM
Will Hughes - if true another signing that is going to push us towards the top 6!! - Hopefully it is just rumour (although by next week knowing Villa he will have signed a 5 year contract with us)



“Knowing Villa” four years ago and beyond, definitely. Not now.
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 20, 2021, 03:52:44 PM
Will Hughes - if true another signing that is going to push us towards the top 6!! - Hopefully it is just rumour (although by next week knowing Villa he will have signed a 5 year contract with us)



“Knowing Villa” four years ago and beyond, definitely. Not now.

Exactly - look at those who got us promotion most of them left. Jota wasn't kept. Reina did a short term job.  Drinkwater and Barkley got passed back.
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Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2021, 03:53:06 PM
Weren't we heavily linked with Will Hughes when he was a kid and trying to outmuscle Tom Huddlestone and his big arse in the Derby midfield?

Re Dwight McNeill...mentioned it on the Buendia thread, but if Leicester are off-loading Demerai Gray and Everton are also interested as reported, I'd rather gazump them for Gray and let them buy McNeill. Much better value.
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Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2021, 03:54:40 PM
Leicester have already offloaded him, he plays for Bayer Leverkusen these days.

I know, me either.
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Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2021, 03:55:52 PM
Weren't we heavily linked with Will Hughes when he was a kid and trying to outmuscle Tom Huddlestone and his big arse in the Derby midfield?

Re Dwight McNeill...mentioned it on the Buendia thread, but if Leicester are off-loading Demerai Gray and Everton are also interested as reported, I'd rather gazump them for Gray and let them buy McNeill. Much better value.

Except McNeills a better player
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2021, 03:57:04 PM
Weren't we heavily linked with Will Hughes when he was a kid and trying to outmuscle Tom Huddlestone and his big arse in the Derby midfield?

Re Dwight McNeill...mentioned it on the Buendia thread, but if Leicester are off-loading Demerai Gray and Everton are also interested as reported, I'd rather gazump them for Gray and let them buy McNeill. Much better value.

Except McNeills a better player

Miles better. I really rate him.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 20, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
"Everton transfer news: Demarai Gray set for medical ahead of move from Bayer Leverkusen" 

Right player, wrong club!

Maybe it's the weather, but, I seem to be checking for news every 1/2 an hour today...
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 20, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
"Everton transfer news: Demarai Gray set for medical ahead of move from Bayer Leverkusen" 

Right player, wrong club!

Maybe it's the weather, but, I seem to be checking for news every 1/2 an hour today...


That all ?? ;D
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Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2021, 04:10:55 PM
McNeil has a bit of class about him and I think would do very well at Villa. We have to remember that we have only seen him play at Burnley, the antithesis of anti-football. He is far better than that as a player.
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Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2021, 04:13:56 PM
Weren't we heavily linked with Will Hughes when he was a kid and trying to outmuscle Tom Huddlestone and his big arse in the Derby midfield?

Re Dwight McNeill...mentioned it on the Buendia thread, but if Leicester are off-loading Demerai Gray and Everton are also interested as reported, I'd rather gazump them for Gray and let them buy McNeill. Much better value.

Except McNeills a better player

Miles better. I really rate him.

Gray lost his way a little but I always thought he was technically impressive.
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Post by: jwarry on July 20, 2021, 05:48:19 PM
Few links with Danjuma who I have to say escaped my notice last season.  Looks useful though https://youtu.be/nE7q7054SE8
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 20, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
Heard Sigurdsson may be available for a cut price...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JJ-AV on July 20, 2021, 06:28:49 PM
I like McNeil, but is he a good player who is held back by his team's style or is he an average player made to look better as he's the only one afforded any freedom?

Right age, good experience. Fee is high though.

McNeil - Jack - Buendia
Watkins

With Traore an option too. That looks a hell of a front line.
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Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2021, 06:31:33 PM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.
He has the workrate of Trez and the skill of El Ghazi, and would be an upgrade on either of them.
true, why doesn't he actually seem to do very much with it?
I get that Burnley as a team don't score all that many and that he's still very young, and would almost certainly be better in a more creative team.
But given he is their main outlet, I'd expect more than the two goals he had scored in each of his three seasons.
El Ghazi scored five in sixteen days last season. McNeill has scored five goals in the last two and a half years.
Yup. 7 goals and 16 assists in 3 seasons - okay but it's a £20-25m not a £40-50m player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2021, 07:12:55 PM
I like McNeil, but is he a good player who is held back by his team's style or is he an average player made to look better as he's the only one afforded any freedom?

Right age, good experience. Fee is high though.

McNeil - Jack - Buendia
Watkins

With Traore an option too. That looks a hell of a front line.

Based on what each player has done, why would McNeil be taking Traore's spot? Didn't Traore have by far the better season of the two?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2021, 07:54:41 PM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.

Yup, even worse than Ireland replacing Milner. McNeill is certainly a decent player but watching him it's like a big bloke trying to copy Jack Grealish. Whilst Jack is fluid, McNeill is a clumsy, poorer version. Can't knock his effort but no where near and never will be Jack's level. A footballing Dad dancer.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 20, 2021, 08:25:47 PM
Gareth Bales' Real Madrid contract can now be bought out for fifteen million euros.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2021, 08:30:51 PM
Gareth Bales' Real Madrid contract can now be bought out for fifteen million euros.

Isn't he on about 600k a week or something stupid?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2021, 08:31:32 PM
I like McNeil, but is he a good player who is held back by his team's style or is he an average player made to look better as he's the only one afforded any freedom?

Right age, good experience. Fee is high though.

McNeil - Jack - Buendia
Watkins

With Traore an option too. That looks a hell of a front line.

Two of the first qualities people* identify for Buendia and McNeil is how hard they work/press/tackle.  That front line could mean we do not need to buy an out and out DMC with Luiz/McGinn et al doing the job, supported by the wide players.

It’s not the worst idea, if Burnley were selling for decent price.
* the athletic articles
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Post by: Eckybloke on July 20, 2021, 09:16:39 PM
Would Jerome Boateng work as a DM or is he an out and out CB?
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2021, 09:28:08 PM
Based on today’s BBC rumours I wondered whether an offer for Henderson would be worth it for our Andy Townsend vacancy.  Decent human being and leader but not sure he is a good enough footballer.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 20, 2021, 09:36:00 PM
Based on today’s BBC rumours I wondered whether an offer for Henderson would be worth it for our Andy Townsend vacancy.  Decent human being and leader but not sure he is a good enough footballer.

I think we're done with signing 'Jordans'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 20, 2021, 10:28:13 PM
Based on today’s BBC rumours I wondered whether an offer for Henderson would be worth it for our Andy Townsend vacancy.  Decent human being and leader but not sure he is a good enough footballer.

I think we're done with signing 'Jordans'.
We're all about "Emi"s nowadays
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2021, 11:05:05 PM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.
He has the workrate of Trez and the skill of El Ghazi, and would be an upgrade on either of them.
true, why doesn't he actually seem to do very much with it?
I get that Burnley as a team don't score all that many and that he's still very young, and would almost certainly be better in a more creative team.
But given he is their main outlet, I'd expect more than the two goals he had scored in each of his three seasons.
El Ghazi scored five in sixteen days last season. McNeill has scored five goals in the last two and a half years.
Yup. 7 goals and 16 assists in 3 seasons - okay but it's a £20-25m not a £40-50m player.

McNeill has the potential to be a lot better though. Burnley don't play through midfield so it's a struggle to do well there goal/assist wise. He tore Matt Cash a new one in that second half at Burnley last season, playing well against us tends to be a key factor in prospective signings over the years...He will be a fine signing for someone this summer.

AEG goals last season,while very welcome, were mostly penalties that he did very little to earn. Traore has a lot of ability but his G&A stats mask a series of utterly risible performances especially when Grealish was out. I think McNeill in the next few season will easily surpass those two in terms of career trajectory.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2021, 11:28:44 PM
Gareth Bales' Real Madrid contract can now be bought out for fifteen million euros.

Isn't he on about 600k a week or something stupid?

I can't think of a transfer that would be more stupid.

Absolute piss taking waster. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 20, 2021, 11:33:31 PM
Gareth Bales' Real Madrid contract can now be bought out for fifteen million euros.

Isn't he on about 600k a week or something stupid?

I can't think of a transfer that would be more stupid.

Absolute piss taking waster. No thanks.

When you know he's giving his best for Wales and he's still shit, you have a point. That's what happens when you play for a fascist club. Let them rot.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2021, 11:42:20 PM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.

Yup, even worse than Ireland replacing Milner. McNeill is certainly a decent player but watching him it's like a big bloke trying to copy Jack Grealish. Whilst Jack is fluid, McNeill is a clumsy, poorer version. Can't knock his effort but no where near and never will be Jack's level. A footballing Dad dancer.

Bit harsh.  Of course Jack Grealish is a better player, but doesn't mean signing someone like McNeil would impact terribly on us if JG leaves.  I actually think two functional wingers who help out defensively and have a bit of quality in the final third would work in our system.  It would probably mean that we would need some real quality in that attacking midfield position though.

I still think that if we'd have had Barnes and Albrighton from Leicester out wide for us last season with Jack in the middle, we would have finished comfortably in the top ten. 
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 12:52:57 AM
Gareth Bales' Real Madrid contract can now be bought out for fifteen million euros.

Isn't he on about 600k a week or something stupid?

I can't think of a transfer that would be more stupid.

Absolute piss taking waster. No thanks.

When you know he's giving his best for Wales and he's still shit, you have a point. That's what happens when you play for a fascist club. Let them rot.

If Bale joined, that would be him and Jack playing for the same club with the same agent. Just like the two Emis.

Maybe Jonathan Barnett would keep his gob out of the media and let his two prized assets finish their careers at the Villa. Come on Gareth - the Belfry just down the road, you know it makes sense!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 21, 2021, 01:20:33 AM
I think selling Jack and replacing him with McNeil would represent a massive step backwards.
100%  But would he be a good addition to the squad assuming we keep Jack?  I haven't made up my mind on him yet, but it's stange he has probbaly achieved more than ESR at this stage of his career, but because he's at an unfashionable club people are immediately more sceptical.
He has the workrate of Trez and the skill of El Ghazi, and would be an upgrade on either of them.
true, why doesn't he actually seem to do very much with it?
I get that Burnley as a team don't score all that many and that he's still very young, and would almost certainly be better in a more creative team.
But given he is their main outlet, I'd expect more than the two goals he had scored in each of his three seasons.
El Ghazi scored five in sixteen days last season. McNeill has scored five goals in the last two and a half years.
Yup. 7 goals and 16 assists in 3 seasons - okay but it's a £20-25m not a £40-50m player.

McNeill has the potential to be a lot better though. Burnley don't play through midfield so it's a struggle to do well there goal/assist wise. He tore Matt Cash a new one in that second half at Burnley last season, playing well against us tends to be a key factor in prospective signings over the years...He will be a fine signing for someone this summer.

AEG goals last season,while very welcome, were mostly penalties that he did very little to earn. Traore has a lot of ability but his G&A stats mask a series of utterly risible performances especially when Grealish was out. I think McNeill in the next few season will easily surpass those two in terms of career trajectory.

4 were penalty's. Out of 15.
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Post by: Matt C on July 21, 2021, 01:38:19 AM
Linked to Fulham keeper Marcus Bettinelli - can’t bring myself to link to the Daily Hate though.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 21, 2021, 06:21:48 AM
As we are looking at players with experience of the premier league - Andy Carroll is available
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Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 21, 2021, 06:43:27 AM
Andy Carroll?  No
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Post by: andyh on July 21, 2021, 07:44:07 AM
Andy Carroll?  No
I think you find the actual response is Andy Carroll ?  fuck off.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2021, 07:46:22 AM
There was a time though, when he looked like he was going to be the best centre forward of his generation. Then Liverpool bought him. Ha.
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Post by: Risso on July 21, 2021, 07:54:40 AM
There was a time though, when he looked like he was going to be the best centre forward of his generation. Then Liverpool bought him. Ha.

He was exceptional in that game we lost 6-0 (2010?) to Newcastle. One of the first signs that the Lerner era wasn't going to be the rip-roaring success we all hoped it would be. The loss did however, extinguish any slight ideas the owner may have had about giving KMac the job full time though.
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Post by: Vegas on July 21, 2021, 07:55:36 AM
The one bad thing about having owners who do decisive business very quietly is that there’s a paucity of juicy gossip to really get your teeth into.
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Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2021, 08:09:00 AM
There was a time though, when he looked like he was going to be the best centre forward of his generation. Then Liverpool bought him. Ha.
Benteke or Carroll?
Both!!
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 21, 2021, 08:23:06 AM
There was a time though, when he looked like he was going to be the best centre forward of his generation. Then Liverpool bought him. Ha.

He was exceptional in that game we lost 6-0 (2010?) to Newcastle. One of the first signs that the Lerner era wasn't going to be the rip-roaring success we all hoped it would be. The loss did however, extinguish any slight ideas the owner may have had about giving KMac the job full time though.

Indeed - thankfully he didn't make any mistakes with the people he did appoint. Well not very many.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
Linked to Fulham keeper Marcus Bettinelli - can’t bring myself to link to the Daily Hate though.

Daily Heil surely? What with their love and support for Moseley's black shirts
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 21, 2021, 08:28:39 AM
Buying Carroll would at least ensure we get VFM from our physio and rehabilitation centre, although re-signing Richards could be the cheaper option.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on July 21, 2021, 08:46:59 AM
Didn't someone on here say last week we had a medical booked in for today?
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 21, 2021, 09:15:29 AM
Linked to Fulham keeper Marcus Bettinelli - can’t bring myself to link to the Daily Hate though.

Daily Heil surely? What with their love and support for Moseley's black shirts

Yes. Lest we forget.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2021, 09:22:33 AM
As we are looking at players with experience of the premier league - Andy Carroll is available

He may be getting on but Carroll is not going to want to come here to mow the lawns at BMH.
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Post by: nigel on July 21, 2021, 09:28:18 AM
Based on today’s BBC rumours I wondered whether an offer for Henderson would be worth it for our Andy Townsend vacancy.  Decent human being and leader but not sure he is a good enough footballer.

I thought exactly the same when I saw the article.
Would be a great signing for us.
Always comes across very professional
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Post by: Dick Edwards on July 21, 2021, 09:35:53 AM
Based on today’s BBC rumours I wondered whether an offer for Henderson would be worth it for our Andy Townsend vacancy.  Decent human being and leader but not sure he is a good enough footballer.

I thought exactly the same when I saw the article.
Would be a great signing for us.
Always comes across very professional

Henderson would be a fantastic signing for us at this stage. Given Klopp called him a world class player recently I can't see him being released.
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Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 21, 2021, 09:48:18 AM
There was a time though, when he looked like he was going to be the best centre forward of his generation. Then Liverpool bought him. Ha.
Benteke or Carroll?
Both!!

There was a time when it used to be Villa that ruined strikers...
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
No chance Henderson would come to us. And if the contract fallout is over wages and term, I'm not sure we should be outbidding Liverpool on either front.

Excellent player though.
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Post by: algy on July 21, 2021, 09:59:50 AM
Didn't someone on here say last week we had a medical booked in for today?
I think so.  Wild guess, but is it that Tim Iroegbunam kid from Albion?
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 21, 2021, 10:18:54 AM
No chance Henderson would come to us. And if the contract fallout is over wages and term, I'm not sure we should be outbidding Liverpool on either front.

Excellent player though.

He has a very good footballing brain and between Rodgers and Klopp developed into a fine footballer, and comes across as pretty decent sort too
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Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2021, 10:28:18 AM
No chance Henderson would come to us. And if the contract fallout is over wages and term, I'm not sure we should be outbidding Liverpool on either front.

Excellent player though.

He has a very good footballing brain and between Rodgers and Klopp developed into a fine footballer, and comes across as pretty decent sort too

I reckon Henderson still has a couple of years in him at the top level.
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Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2021, 10:42:08 AM
As we are looking at players with experience of the premier league - Andy Carroll is available

He may be getting on but Carroll is not going to want to come here to mow the lawns at BMH.

I thought cart-horses grazed?
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Post by: mrfuse on July 21, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 10:48:51 AM
Didn't someone on here say last week we had a medical booked in for today?

It was just a whisper.

As an aside, you're not the poster formerly known as 'Big Dick Edwards', are you ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 21, 2021, 10:57:23 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.

That's a yes from me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2021, 10:57:48 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.

I’m sure it’s not true, but he would be a stunning signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
Age and goal involvements make him a credible target.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on July 21, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
Tammys off to arsenal on loan with 40m obligation to buy in summer.

Have to say im disappointed as i think that will come back to bite us
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Tammys off to arsenal on loan with 40m obligation to buy in summer.

Have to say im disappointed as i think that will come back to bite us
I doubt we were ever in for him, but yes I would think £40m will turn out to be a bargain and if we were a little further in our development and had the luxury of building squad depth I would have liked to get him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 21, 2021, 11:06:03 AM
I always said he was mid-table...;)
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Post by: yammers on July 21, 2021, 11:07:02 AM
I thought they were meant to be skint? They’ve made some decent signings to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 21, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.

I’m sure it’s not true, but he would be a stunning signing.

The Jamaican Rocket!! Yes please
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: boozey182 on July 21, 2021, 11:09:37 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.

I’m sure it’s not true, but he would be a stunning signing.

Judging from the reaction from people that know more about football than me on Twitter, this could be the Robinho-type signing that we have been waiting for (if there's any truth in it).

Having watched a 3 minute YouTube video of him, I am now convinced we will win the league if we sign him. I don't know how you would stop a front four of him, Jack, Emi and Ollie. Pace, skill, creativity, versatility...

Okay, I'm getting carried away - I think it's the heat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 21, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
Didn't someone on here say last week we had a medical booked in for today?

It was just a whisper.

As an aside, you're not the poster formerly known as 'Big Dick Edwards', are you ?

Yes, I am  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OzVilla on July 21, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
Other than the PL I watch the Bundesliga. This bloke is real quality.
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 11:16:47 AM
Reports of us being interested in move for Bayer Leverkusen’s Leon Bailey.

Not sure on the accuracy of this.

Edit..... its from the Mail so probably totally inaccurate.

I’m sure it’s not true, but he would be a stunning signing.

Judging from the reaction from people that know more about football than me on Twitter, this could be the Robinho-type signing that we have been waiting for (if there's any truth in it).

Having watched a 3 minute YouTube video of him, I am now convinced we will win the league if we sign him. I don't know how you would stop a front four of him, Jack, Emi and Ollie. Pace, skill, creativity, versatility...

Okay, I'm getting carried away - I think it's the heat.

If we're chucking tens of million at a new winger, he's the sort of person it should be going at. Not Dwight "no goals" McNeil.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 21, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
Welcome back!

Well thank you Eamonn though I didn't realise I'd been away  ???
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on July 21, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
leon bailey would be a very exciting signing. sounds like everton are after him as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 11:19:29 AM
Sorry, i just assumed you had been from your change in username and low post count.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2021, 11:22:00 AM


We get all the Bundesliga games live here so I’ve found myself watching a decent amount of it. Bailey is really good. If there is any truth to this we should be all over it. I thought for sure he’d have lots of CL level suitors.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 21, 2021, 11:25:36 AM
Sorry, i just assumed you had been from your change in username and low post count.

I don't know how or why my username changed nor why my post count shows so low, though I am old so that may have something to do with it  :(. I've been using H&V regularly for a very long time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on July 21, 2021, 11:40:01 AM
Bailey is a incredible player. Get it done villa.

Bailey grealish buendia with Watkins is frightening
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on July 21, 2021, 11:57:17 AM
The 'Early Career' section on Leon Bailey's wiki page is fucking bizarre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Bailey
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 21, 2021, 12:08:44 PM
Excited about this if it happens. A pacy winger with tricks, yes please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 21, 2021, 12:17:53 PM
For me Bailey is less of a risk than Smith-Rowe, a youngster with limited first team experience moving to a new city from a club he has been at since childhood vs an experienced pro that comes from an English speaking country and has already adapted to a different culture in Germany. Coming to Brum from Leverkusen should be reasonably easy for him to adapt.

Is a very good player. Points to Jack being played more central (replacing Barkley) and Emi and a new player being wide (with El Ghazi covering wide, and Traore covering wide and for Ollie).

We are going to be better during stints Jack is injured with that kind of strength up front, which should see us stay in contention for a European spot all season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
Just a theory, but my guess is the club (including physicians) and Jack have probably come to an understanding that he simply cannot play a full season. That we have to rest him versus losing him for long stretches. Having top talent to play with him or when he’s not there is absolutely the right approach we need to take.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 12:30:42 PM
If true, does that keep him "shackled" to us for the rest of his days?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
This does have some momentum.  Alan Nixon has confirmed there's soemthing behind the rumours.  I know he's not everybody's cup of tea but he's prepared to stick his neck out on what he knows and is often right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
Just a theory, but my guess is the club (including physicians) and Jack have probably come to an understanding that he simply cannot play a full season. That we have to rest him versus losing him for long stretches. Having top talent to play with him or when he’s not there is absolutely the right approach we need to take.
Yes, agreed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2021, 12:37:57 PM
For me Bailey is less of a risk than Smith-Rowe, a youngster with limited first team experience moving to a new city from a club he has been at since childhood vs an experienced pro that comes from an English speaking country and has already adapted to a different culture in Germany. Coming to Brum from Leverkusen should be reasonably easy for him to adapt.

Is a very good player. Points to Jack being played more central (replacing Barkley) and Emi and a new player being wide (with El Ghazi covering wide, and Traore covering wide and for Ollie).

We are going to be better during stints Jack is injured with that kind of strength up front, which should see us stay in contention for a European spot all season.
I really wanted ESR, but if we can land someone like Bailey for £35-40m it does put the price being speculated into context.  The English based player premium just isn't worth it sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 21, 2021, 12:42:42 PM
For me Bailey is less of a risk than Smith-Rowe, a youngster with limited first team experience moving to a new city from a club he has been at since childhood vs an experienced pro that comes from an English speaking country and has already adapted to a different culture in Germany. Coming to Brum from Leverkusen should be reasonably easy for him to adapt.

Is a very good player. Points to Jack being played more central (replacing Barkley) and Emi and a new player being wide (with El Ghazi covering wide, and Traore covering wide and for Ollie).

We are going to be better during stints Jack is injured with that kind of strength up front, which should see us stay in contention for a European spot all season.


For me ESR and Bailey aren't even in the same ballpark. One is a promising young player, the other is top drawer now. Totally different levels of signing. Bailey you could see a Man U/City/Chelsea going for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: caster troy on July 21, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
'Whispers' on twitter says Bailey is the new plan after ESR has signed for Arsenal. Could be made up to follow the stories today, but you never know.

Bailey/Grealish/Buendia behind Watkins would be some serious, serious firepower. That is a Champions League front 4 potentially. My head says it won't happen after many disappointments in the past (Juninho, Benni McCarthy, Wesley Sneijder?!) but I am daring to dream!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 21, 2021, 12:44:20 PM
I would be absolutely ecstatic is we signed Bailey!

I really hope we sign him fast because there will be other sniffing around when  we have a bid accepted.

Also judging by the lack of news yesterday on the medical I won't be sharing that guys itks anymore. Unless he signs later this week randomly haha
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 21, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Get it done!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
This is the sort of link I was hoping for rather than people like McNeil, Bailey would be a fantastic signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2021, 12:53:12 PM
'Whispers' on twitter says Bailey is the new plan after ESR has signed for Arsenal. Could be made up to follow the stories today, but you never know

I'm not suggesting he's made it up but I do love how some pretend ITK's come out and seem to suggest they know what's going on when he/they probably  hadn't even mentioned the words Bailey or Leon before today.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on July 21, 2021, 12:54:33 PM
Wont you come home Bill (?) Bailey, won't you come home...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 21, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
For me Bailey is less of a risk than Smith-Rowe, a youngster with limited first team experience moving to a new city from a club he has been at since childhood vs an experienced pro that comes from an English speaking country and has already adapted to a different culture in Germany. Coming to Brum from Leverkusen should be reasonably easy for him to adapt.

Is a very good player. Points to Jack being played more central (replacing Barkley) and Emi and a new player being wide (with El Ghazi covering wide, and Traore covering wide and for Ollie).

We are going to be better during stints Jack is injured with that kind of strength up front, which should see us stay in contention for a European spot all season.
I really wanted ESR, but if we can land someone like Bailey for £35-40m it does put the price being speculated into context.  The English based player premium just isn't worth it sometimes.
Yeah, same for me really.  I thought (still think) ESR would be a great move for both him & us ... but if Bailey's available in the same kind of price bracket, it's a no-brainer.

Need to get that sorted.  Genuinely think, with him, it'd be a case of where - rather than if - we'd finish in the top 4.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on July 21, 2021, 01:00:30 PM
Easy to get swept along in rumour season I suppose but this Bailey link is the sort of calibre I’d hoped we’d be aiming for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
Daily Hell- people believe this shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 21, 2021, 01:11:58 PM
Tish and pish. If we have to put up with the Will Hughes links then we can at least dream when we get the nice ones. If this happens i'll have to dig out the rarely seen Villa transfer thrapping sock.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 21, 2021, 01:13:42 PM
Signing Leon Bailey would be quite a statement. Not quite as much as signing Smith-Rowe, though he may well be a better player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
Daily Hell- people believe this shit.

Did you believe Collomosse / Kajumba when they wrote that we were trying to sign Martinez?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2021, 01:21:34 PM
Can apparently take freekicks too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2021, 01:22:54 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mrfuse on July 21, 2021, 01:23:34 PM
Can apparently take freekicks too

This is definitely an area we need to improve on with the amount that Jack wins us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 21, 2021, 01:24:09 PM
If Will Hughes is the type of signing that Smith thinks is going to persuade Jack to stay then he is deluded.  I don't believe it, I really don't.  Something like that would piss me off no end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hillbilly on July 21, 2021, 02:10:22 PM
Is it just me or is Dean Smith toying with idea of a 0-0-10 formation in the coming season?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 21, 2021, 02:15:40 PM
Apparently being linked with ChampMan regen / Everton left back Thierry Small.  16 years old, from Solihull originally, and supports the Villa.  His dad played for the club too ... Bryan Small.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 21, 2021, 02:16:29 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here, Clampy. I'm a bit one eyed when it comes to football, and pay little attention to anyone outside Villa.

I'd never heard of Buendia, either! Now I can't wait to see him play.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on July 21, 2021, 02:19:12 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2021, 02:21:48 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here, Clampy. I'm a bit one eyed when it comes to football, and pay little attention to anyone outside Villa.

I'd never heard of Buendia, either! Now I can't wait to see him play.

Bailey is great, I've not seen a massive amount of German football last season but I'd been watching a fair bit of it for a few years before that.

He's got a jayjay okocha free spirit about him and just seems to be having the time of his life when he runs with the ball. If this is true and he comes in I can imagine he'd divide the fans a little because, like Bertie Traore, he's very unpredictable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
Daily Hell- people believe this shit.

Did you believe Collomosse / Kajumba when they wrote that we were trying to sign Martinez?
never heard of them, there are only a couple of sources that I take any notice of.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on July 21, 2021, 02:31:30 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on July 21, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
John Percy and that Italian (?) fella. When they say something is happening then I believe it, that's about it. And that whispers avfc account is shite as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 21, 2021, 02:33:31 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here, Clampy. I'm a bit one eyed when it comes to football, and pay little attention to anyone outside Villa.

I'd never heard of Buendia, either! Now I can't wait to see him play.

Bailey is great, I've not seen a massive amount of German football last season but I'd been watching a fair bit of it for a few years before that.

He's got a jayjay okocha free spirit about him and just seems to be having the time of his life when he runs with the ball. If this is true and he comes in I can imagine he'd divide the fans a little because, like Bertie Traore, he's very unpredictable.

Sounds good to me, Paul, particularly with the Okocha comparison.

Sign him up!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2021, 02:35:07 PM
Is it just me or is Dean Smith toying with idea of a 0-0-10 formation in the coming season?

Would probably work with Emi between the sticks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 02:39:38 PM
Daily Hell- people believe this shit.

Did you believe Collomosse / Kajumba when they wrote that we were trying to sign Martinez?
never heard of them, there are only a couple of sources that I take any notice of.

They are the people who you are criticising who are running the Bailey story. They're also the people who first said we were after Martinez.

And (I think) the people who first said we wanted to bring Young back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2021, 02:41:21 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here but on the Liverpool forum they seem to think it would be quite the coup for us (and obviously 100% proof that Jack is off to Citeh). One suggested that he may not work hard enough off the ball until the others pointed out that we're chock full of workaholics such as Ollie, SJM, Buendia etc.

The rest of the league's going to be very surprised when Jack stays aren't they?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here, Clampy. I'm a bit one eyed when it comes to football, and pay little attention to anyone outside Villa.

I'd never heard of Buendia, either! Now I can't wait to see him play.

Bailey is great, I've not seen a massive amount of German football last season but I'd been watching a fair bit of it for a few years before that.

He's got a jayjay okocha free spirit about him and just seems to be having the time of his life when he runs with the ball. If this is true and he comes in I can imagine he'd divide the fans a little because, like Bertie Traore, he's very unpredictable.

Sounds good to me, Paul, particularly with the Okocha comparison.

Sign him up!

Just to be clear that comparison was about personality and attitude in the main.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rooboy316 on July 21, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
Bailey - how is a player of his calibre available at the touted 30mill price tag? Seems like he should be going for much more, given Leverkusen bought him for 20mill when he was relatively unknown.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2021, 03:00:21 PM
As we are looking at players with experience of the premier league - Andy Carroll is available

He may be getting on but Carroll is not going to want to come here to mow the lawns at BMH.

I thought cart-horses grazed?


I wouldn't even trust Andy Carroll to successfully mow my modest sized lawn without picking up an injury.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
I'd still prefer that Alvarez chap. "An Argentinian Gary Shaw" is the most alluring phrase ever utters on this hallowed forum.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 21, 2021, 03:03:08 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

Same here but on the Liverpool forum they seem to think it would be quite the coup for us (and obviously 100% proof that Jack is off to Citeh). One suggested that he may not work hard enough off the ball until the others pointed out that we're chock full of workaholics such as Ollie, SJM, Buendia etc.

The rest of the league's going to be very surprised when Jack stays aren't they?


Not as disappointed as Talksport, who seem to be acting rather desperately as if they've wagered the family silver, the house, the mortgage, the car, the kids' college fund and even old nan herself on him being off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on July 21, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
'Whispers' on twitter says Bailey is the new plan after ESR has signed for Arsenal. Could be made up to follow the stories today, but you never know.

Bailey/Grealish/Buendia behind Watkins would be some serious, serious firepower. That is a Champions League front 4 potentially. My head says it won't happen after many disappointments in the past (Juninho, Benni McCarthy, Wesley Sneijder?!) but I am daring to dream!




Troare, El Ghazi aren’t bad back up options either
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2021, 03:12:16 PM
Now also supposedly "in advanced talks to sign Cantwell" but I'm not giving it any credence as it's not in the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 03:15:12 PM
Bailey - how is a player of his calibre available at the touted 30mill price tag? Seems like he should be going for much more, given Leverkusen bought him for 20mill when he was relatively unknown.

Most clubs need money to come in, not to splurge loads of it.

We are one of literally a handful of clubs in the world for whom it seems we can just keep spending rather than being forced to recoup the losses of the last 18 months.

If it weren't for Covid we wouldn't be in the running for Bailey. Not that we definitely are, of course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2021, 03:15:52 PM
SquawkSport tweeting that it 'understands' that Bailey is keen on the move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 21, 2021, 03:25:24 PM
Now also supposedly "in advanced talks to sign Cantwell" but I'm not giving it any credence as it's not in the Daily Mail.

Last year of his contract I believe, so maybe. Would make decent number 10. Bet the Pinkun would meltdown if true
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 21, 2021, 03:41:38 PM
Yes, surprised to see Cantwell is only contracted to nect year.

If they lose Buendia, Cantwell and Aarons, you would think they'd struggle.

Regarding Leon Bailey; I'd never heard of him until today, but now I'm desperate for us to sign him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
SquawkSport tweeting that it 'understands' that Bailey is keen on the move.

It’s rare I hope something Talksport is saying is true, but in reality how the fuck would they know.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2021, 03:48:46 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 21, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
Not sure how we would fit Bailey and Cantwell into the team, with Grealish, Buendia, Traore, El Ghazi and Trezeguet. I know we have already lost Barkley and Trez is out for the season, but you would think El Ghazi might be being moved on were we to get both in.

Cantwell is a great player, be happy with that one. Bailey is very good and would be a 'statement signing'.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 21, 2021, 03:54:06 PM
Bettinelli, Cantwell, Bailey...and the Chelsea lad who's name I can't spell with Buendia...jack signing a new contract...a selection of U18 & U21 signings...would represent progress to me.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2021, 03:55:25 PM
SquawkSport tweeting that it 'understands' that Bailey is keen on the move.

It’s rare I hope something Talksport is saying is true, but in reality how the fuck would they know.

There is that, yes.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2021, 03:56:31 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?
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Post by: mrfuse on July 21, 2021, 03:57:12 PM
Not sure how we would fit Bailey and Cantwell into the team, with Grealish, Buendia, Traore, El Ghazi and Trezeguet. I know we have already lost Barkley and Trez is out for the season, but you would think El Ghazi might be being moved on were we to get both in.

Cantwell is a great player, be happy with that one. Bailey is very good and would be a 'statement signing'.

Well I'm very happy to be discussing even the slightest possibility of how we could possible fit such players in.

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Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2021, 03:58:36 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?

Yes, very familiar.
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Post by: Andy Poole on July 21, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

So you hadn't heard of him either Dave. Same here!
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Post by: Rory on July 21, 2021, 04:15:50 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

I can only apologise for my part in this shameful episode, Dave.
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Post by: andyh on July 21, 2021, 04:20:14 PM
I really can’t believe people haven’t heard about Leon Bailey!





I thought it was just me.
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 21, 2021, 04:24:11 PM
Not sure how we would fit Bailey and Cantwell into the team, with Grealish, Buendia, Traore, El Ghazi and Trezeguet. I know we have already lost Barkley and Trez is out for the season, but you would think El Ghazi might be being moved on were we to get both in.

Cantwell is a great player, be happy with that one. Bailey is very good and would be a 'statement signing'.



We would competition for places if we want to get to a stage we’re playing 50-60 games a season
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2021, 04:28:43 PM
We absolutely need CB cover.
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Post by: john e on July 21, 2021, 04:35:58 PM
We absolutely need CB cover.

OK Gareth
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 21, 2021, 04:44:41 PM
We absolutely need CB cover.

Seen us linked with Attila Szali (Hungarian centre back plays for Fenerbache) today for £13m. Also read somewhere that Hause only has just over a year left on his contract, so with Engels gone can definitely see us signing another centre back.
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Post by: Allan C on July 21, 2021, 04:44:52 PM
As we are looking at players with experience of the premier league - Andy Carroll is available
Sorry?? Is it April 1st ??
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 21, 2021, 04:49:05 PM
I’d like to see us get Sander Berge. An improvement on our holding midfielder position, that can easily play at centre half for cover as well. Sander Berge, one of Bailey or ESR and a striker for me
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 21, 2021, 04:49:45 PM
Cantwell to above would be just the ticket as well
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 04:58:05 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?

Yes, very familiar.

You're better off not knowing about Ian Bailey (the twat changed his pen-name to Eoin when writing as a crime correspondent in Ireland).
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 04:59:01 PM
SquawkSport tweeting that it 'understands' that Bailey is keen on the move.

I understand that you'll never leave him
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Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 05:08:57 PM
We absolutely need CB cover.

Seen us linked with Attila Szali (Hungarian centre back plays for Fenerbache) today for £13m. Also read somewhere that Hause only has just over a year left on his contract, so with Engels gone can definitely see us signing another centre back.

A year, but we have the option to extend for a further year if we want.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
At least we now have something to talk about. Bailey would be a yes, certainly with those stats. Cantwell would also be welcome, good player if a bit of a knob. The Hungarian centre back, apologies to Mr Woodhall for not knowing about him!
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 05:12:46 PM
Would be surprised if we signed Cantwell. Norwich would be less likely to sell us another of their stars plus Jack and Emi will already be occupying similar areas of the pitch. I'm all for Total Football, but adding a guy like Todd into the mix would be odd.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 21, 2021, 05:18:25 PM
To be perfectly, brutally, honest, Cantwell strikes me as being quite similar to Grealish.

Worst case scenario planning?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2021, 05:19:04 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

And they say satire's dead.
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Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Easy, lover!
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2021, 05:28:09 PM
 :-[
As for Leon Bailey, I've never heard of him to be honest but it has generated quite a lot of excitement so that's good enough for me.

I feel pretty ignorant when I see so many saying what a signing this would be when I haven’t got a clue who he is.

Same here.

You've never heard of Leon Bailey? Seriously?

I think you should leave the internet in shame. I'm certainly not sure you should be allowed on here if you're so ignorant of such basics.

The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Easy, lover!


uh oh  :-\
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Post by: Rory on July 21, 2021, 05:31:56 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?

Yes, very familiar.

You're better off not knowing about Ian Bailey (the twat changed his pen-name to Eoin when writing as a crime correspondent in Ireland).

Ian "the Guards are setting me up because they hate me for being so English and intelligent" Bailey?
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 05:54:30 PM
Quite.
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Post by: andyh on July 21, 2021, 06:31:34 PM
To be perfectly, brutally, honest, Cantwell strikes me as being quite similar to Grealish.

Worst case scenario planning?
Hmmmm, from the times I have seen him he looks like a poor mans Grealish, in fact a paupers Grealish.
I think someone in the press has seen they both wear a hair band and put 2 and 2 together.
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Post by: Dave on July 21, 2021, 06:47:20 PM
It would strike me as odd if our Champions League-challenging attack was half of the relegated Norwich attack from two years ago, we've already bought the best one and the one who scored all of their goals isn't the other one.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2021, 06:47:36 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?

Yes, very familiar.

You're better off not knowing about Ian Bailey (the twat changed his pen-name to Eoin when writing as a crime correspondent in Ireland).

Ian "the Guards are setting me up because they hate me for being so English and intelligent" Bailey?

No, that was Harry Maguire.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2021, 07:02:00 PM
The only Bailey's I know off the top of my head are David, Rumpole Of and the chap who did that duet with Phil Collins, which was quite good.

Not familiar with Irish liqueurs?

Yes, very familiar.

You're better off not knowing about Ian Bailey (the twat changed his pen-name to Eoin when writing as a crime correspondent in Ireland).

Ian "the Guards are setting me up because they hate me for being so English and intelligent" Bailey?

Speaking of policemen does Ben Bailey Smith* count?

*He's also good on Wittertainment.
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Post by: charlatan on July 21, 2021, 08:11:01 PM
If he is as fast as Donovan (pre-hamstring woes) and as much of an all rounder as Trevor, sign him up.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2021, 09:11:06 PM
It would strike me as odd if our Champions League-challenging attack was half of the relegated Norwich attack from two years ago, we've already bought the best one and the one who scored all of their goals isn't the other one.

Both are 18 months older and more experienced though. I wild happily have Cantwell and Bailey, keep Jack and make our front 4 have as much variety and depth as possible. It hurt us when Jack was out last season, we've offset Trez and Barkley, Jack's not going to be fit every week with his shins, so depth is vital.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
It would strike me as odd if our Champions League-challenging attack was half of the relegated Norwich attack from two years ago, we've already bought the best one and the one who scored all of their goals isn't the other one.

Both are 18 months older and more experienced though. I wild happily have Cantwell and Bailey, keep Jack and make our front 4 have as much variety and depth as possible. It hurt us when Jack was out last season, we've offset Trez and Barkley, Jack's not going to be fit every week with his shins, so depth is vital.

Yup, the one thing we really need to add this summer is creativity.
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Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2021, 09:20:56 PM
I like Cantwell, good player but I don't see where he fits if we're after Bailey. I can see 1 more player to go in the 3 behind the striker then a defender (maybe one who can cover as a deep midfielder) and a striker, I don't think we'll see much more than that. I'd like us to sign a proper defensive midfielder but I get the impression Smith doesn't want one.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 21, 2021, 09:28:02 PM
Never been convinced that Cantwell is as good as many believe he is - maybe that is just my prejudice about the name 'Todd' and his foppish hair.

Leon Bailey strikes me a player that would offer something a bit different - looks lightning quick and very direct.

If we are in the market for a DCM, then Ruben Neves appears to be on the move from Wolves - some wag even changing his wiki profile to say he is a Man U player.

Aside from winding up Wolves fans, is he good value at c.£35m? Always seemed decent against us.
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Post by: OCD on July 21, 2021, 09:31:55 PM
I would prefer a younger Moutinho.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2021, 09:33:25 PM
The Bailey link is promising.  I am not convinced upgrading his position is vital now we have Buendia but if we waited a year, the “big 6” across Europe will have refilled their piggy banks we would not stand a chance of buying him.

Speculate now whilst we are in a position of strength (thanks to NSWE)
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Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2021, 09:36:53 PM
Fast and direct is the way forward as an option, if Jack is staying, gives us some great options. In fairness I would much sooner have a striker option that can work as hard as Ollie if he got injured, and a holding mid of quality. I'd really like Romeu, Bailey and a striker from what we have been linked with.
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Post by: OCD on July 21, 2021, 09:40:32 PM
I like Cantwell, good player but I don't see where he fits if we're after Bailey. I can see 1 more player to go in the 3 behind the striker then a defender (maybe one who can cover as a deep midfielder) and a striker, I don't think we'll see much more than that. I'd like us to sign a proper defensive midfielder but I get the impression Smith doesn't want one.

Maybe El Ghazi's off to Italy?
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Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2021, 09:47:04 PM
Hourihane likely to Sheff Utd... Perhaps there's a swap with Berge in the offing...
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
Hourihane likely to Sheff Utd... Perhaps there's a swap with Berge in the offing...

Would make a lot of sense, in theory.  Haven’t seen enough to know whether he is good enough.
Throw in Davis on loan too, to reduce the fee a boot more.

Have any of the relegated clubs been raided of their best players yet? 
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Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
A loan with an agreed fee for Berge wouldn't be a bad deal with Hourihane going the other way.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 21, 2021, 10:40:33 PM
A loan with an agreed fee for Berge wouldn't be a bad deal with Hourihane going the other way.

If we sign Berge we should also sign his partner Rac.

Another one for the teenagers there.  ;)
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Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2021, 10:43:41 PM
Hourihane likely to Sheff Utd... Perhaps there's a swap with Berge in the offing...

Where'd you hear that...you been out drinking in Sheff?
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Post by: jwarry on July 21, 2021, 10:45:45 PM
To be perfectly, brutally, honest, Cantwell strikes me as being quite similar to Grealish.

Worst case scenario planning?
Hmmmm, from the times I have seen him he looks like a poor mans Grealish, in fact a paupers Grealish.
I think someone in the press has seen they both wear a hair band and put 2 and 2 together.

When I watched this I immediately thought Jack except he goes down more easily than Jack …….. I mean he’s good at winning free kicks!
https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc
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Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2021, 10:51:30 PM
He's a good yard slower than Jack, and doesn't think as fast either.
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Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2021, 10:53:52 PM
Hourihane likely to Sheff Utd... Perhaps there's a swap with Berge in the offing...

Where'd you hear that...you been out drinking in Sheff?

I've heard nothing on Berge at all, just guessing.
Re Hourihane, the local press are on it here...
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 21, 2021, 10:54:40 PM
To be perfectly, brutally, honest, Cantwell strikes me as being quite similar to Grealish.

Worst case scenario planning?
Hmmmm, from the times I have seen him he looks like a poor mans Grealish, in fact a paupers Grealish.
I think someone in the press has seen they both wear a hair band and put 2 and 2 together.

When I watched this I immediately thought Jack except he goes down more easily than Jack …….. I mean he’s good at winning free kicks!
https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc

Yeah, I see what you mean. He often seems to get the free kick just when he wants one though. Looks like he stays on his feet when he’s got the advantage. Finishing needs work but looks much better than Barkley.
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Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2021, 10:58:54 PM
To be perfectly, brutally, honest, Cantwell strikes me as being quite similar to Grealish.

Worst case scenario planning?
That’s the worst  scenario case planning.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2021, 11:59:26 PM
Really liking the Leon Bailey links. That's exactly the type of signing we need to be making regularly over next two seasons now, someone who can improve the first 11 and major player for top level team from another league as his 14 league and europa goals indicate from last season.

Most exciting link to a player in some time that one imo so hopefully there's some truth behind it.
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Post by: OCD on July 22, 2021, 12:01:53 AM
One article said that Leverkusen have been offering Bailey around to Premier League clubs. Sounds like they want to cash in now before his contract runs down any more.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2021, 12:30:21 AM
A loan with an agreed fee for Berge wouldn't be a bad deal with Hourihane going the other way.

Would be a good deal. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2021, 12:37:04 AM
I like Cantwell, good player but I don't see where he fits if we're after Bailey. I can see 1 more player to go in the 3 behind the striker then a defender (maybe one who can cover as a deep midfielder) and a striker, I don't think we'll see much more than that. I'd like us to sign a proper defensive midfielder but I get the impression Smith doesn't want one.

Agree with that Paul.

For number 10 position we have Jack, Buendia and can see Carney being tried out there in early rounds of cup and perhaps odd league game towards end of the season. And also McGinn would suit that role in certain games.

Would still leave us with Traore, AEG, hopefully Bailey and Trez from Feb onwards for wide positions (and of course only one of Jack/Buendia can play number 10 so the other would be playing out wide).

Cantwell just feels like one too many in that area and stockpiling unless we've decided to cash in on El Ghazi with two years left on his deal so maximum value unless he scores 15-20 next season. Or someone else is off but let's not think about that.....

Cantwell would've been a better pick up last season given what Barkley gave us in the end which was hardly anything after his first 5 games.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2021, 12:42:01 AM
One article said that Leverkusen have been offering Bailey around to Premier League clubs. Sounds like they want to cash in now before his contract runs down any more.

It's what they tend to do really. Had 3/4 decent seasons out of him so time to move him on as they're very very good at picking up unknown young players from across europe and then training them up to be 25-30m players. Did it years back picking up Berbatov for a couple of million and then selling him to Spurs for 15m, sure there's more recent examples.

And they also hit the jackpot with likes of Havertz coming through their academy.

Bailey served them well but ultimately they didn't make top 4 in the end so need to raise some more cash.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2021, 06:33:40 AM
One article said that Leverkusen have been offering Bailey around to Premier League clubs. Sounds like they want to cash in now before his contract runs down any more.

It's what they tend to do really. Had 3/4 decent seasons out of him so time to move him on as they're very very good at picking up unknown young players from across europe and then training them up to be 25-30m players. Did it years back picking up Berbatov for a couple of million and then selling him to Spurs for 15m, sure there's more recent examples.

Son at Spurs is another.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
If you signed Cantwell and Bailey, we would be starting to act like a club going for the top 6. It gives you Traore and Buendia on the right, Jack and Bailey on the left, Cantwell at 10. Buendia and Jack can also both play 10, with El Ghazi being a floating resource. Trez is out for much of the season, Jack has a stress injury that needs careful management. Getting both, if we want top 6, makes a lot of sense.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2021, 07:55:25 AM
I think we have taken the best player from the championship already. If we want player for the 10 role then I'd like Maddison.

Our front 4 combinations would be outstanding
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2021, 08:35:24 AM
I think we have taken the best player from the championship already. If we want player for the 10 role then I'd like Maddison.

Our front 4 combinations would be outstanding

Yes, I really like Maddison too. Good on free-kicks as well isn’t he?
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 09:05:54 AM
It soounds as though a lot of Da Yoof were impressive last night.  It will be interesting to see what our policy of loaning out will be, those on the fringes (Bidace, Aaron Ramsey, Bogarde, Chrisene) have already won the youth cup, is it time to try and find them a place at competitive league level? 
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2021, 09:28:54 AM
If you signed Cantwell and Bailey, we would be starting to act like a club going for the top 6. It gives you Traore and Buendia on the right, Jack and Bailey on the left, Cantwell at 10. Buendia and Jack can also both play 10, with El Ghazi being a floating resource. Trez is out for much of the season, Jack has a stress injury that needs careful management. Getting both, if we want top 6, makes a lot of sense.
I've always liked Cantwell, bags of energy, decent on the ball, but I'd see him more as a left sided player than a 10.  If we got Bailey I'd be very surprised if we went for Cantwell as we have other priorities, but I'd prefer him to Trez and ElGhazi. 

I'd prefer Buendia to play on the right, so to me it feels like Bailey - Jack - Buendia with Traore to fill in as needed.  I'd be happy to add Cantwell to that mix, but would rather spend the money on a DM or someone who can play as a striker.

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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2021, 09:35:14 AM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
I just read tha his agent is "in country", so maybe off to Vietnam?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 22, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
Having just watched Todd Cantwell’s ‘amazing goals, skills and assists’. Well there’s not many goals or assists in there but a lot of being shoved over and a lot more misses. His hair’s nice though.

Leon Bailey looks a level up.
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Post by: maidstonevillain on July 22, 2021, 10:26:34 AM
Having just watched Todd Cantwell’s ‘amazing goals, skills and assists’. Well there’s not many goals or assists in there but a lot of being shoved over and a lot more misses. His hair’s nice though.

Leon Bailey looks a level up.
That's my impression of him. Looks good flouncing around in a poor relegated/Championship team, but pretty underwhelmed otherwise. Am I missing something?
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
Having just watched Todd Cantwell’s ‘amazing goals, skills and assists’. Well there’s not many goals or assists in there but a lot of being shoved over and a lot more misses. His hair’s nice though.

Leon Bailey looks a level up.
That's my impression of him. Looks good flouncing around in a poor relegated/Championship team, but pretty underwhelmed otherwise. Am I missing something?
These are the sort of things people used to say about Grealish.

Now he's obviously nowhere near Grealish's level, but I reckon he's a lot better than people give him credit for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2021, 10:30:27 AM
It would be crazy for Norwich to sell us their two most creative players in the same summer, that would take some replacing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2021, 10:37:45 AM
It would be crazy for Norwich to sell us their two most creative players in the same summer, that would take some replacing.
Yep, not sure where the rumour came from but it sounds incredibly unlikely to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 10:39:52 AM
He is refusing a new contract and only has 12 months to go....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 22, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: not3bad on July 22, 2021, 10:58:31 AM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?

Good question. I was under the impression that this was the most likely one to happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2021, 11:05:16 AM
I thought the opposite i must say - silly season click bate. Can't see Cantwell happening either tbh, not least because he doesn't feel like a Villa type signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 22, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
As someone said earlier Cantwell feels like the sort of transfer we would have made last summer. He could be great long term but doesn't seem the right fit for a team pushing for Europe
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2021, 11:29:03 AM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.

Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 22, 2021, 11:38:32 AM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.

Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.
Yeah, same for me.  Engels didn't feature last season, and Hause only played 4 games.  I just don't see a 4th choice defender as being one that'll play a huge role, so to be honest I think I'd be happy with a player from the youth team, or bringing in someone who's maybe in the 18-21 age range who'll be happy with having limited involvement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on July 22, 2021, 11:40:26 AM
Gary Cahill to Rangers and Wilfred Zaha to Everton are the latest rumours.

Will the last player to leave Crystal Palace please switch off the lights  ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
An older player can be used as a stop gap while the kids develop out on loan.

Ideally we would get Bailey and Alvarez instead of Cantwell.

It sounds like there's doubts about Wesley's fitness levels too so I wouldn't be against loaning him and Davis out for the season and bringing in Abraham if he's available on a season's loan with the option to buy next summer as has been suggested are the terms that Arsenal are interested in. Giving us the choice of Watkins and Abraham while also denying Arsenal would be a smart move.

Having the options of Watkins and Abraham and then behind them having Grealish, Bailey, Buendia, Alvarez and Toure would be some serious firepower. Add a really good defensive midfielder in front of the back 5 and we could be challenging for a Champions League place rather than Europa League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 22, 2021, 11:45:48 AM
Bailey looks a great player from what I have seen of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 22, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
An older player can be used as a stop gap while the kids develop out on loan.

Ideally we would get Bailey and Alvarez instead of Cantwell.

It sounds like there's doubts about Wesley's fitness levels too so I wouldn't be against loaning him and Davis out for the season and bringing in Abraham if he's available on a season's loan with the option to buy next summer as has been suggested are the terms that Arsenal are interested in. Giving us the choice of Watkins and Abraham while also denying Arsenal would be a smart move.

Having the options of Watkins and Abraham and then behind them having Grealish, Bailey, Buendia, Alvarez and Toure would be some serious firepower. Add a really good defensive midfielder in front of the back 5 and we could be challenging for a Champions League place rather than Europa League.
Defensive midfielders are boring.  Just play lone striker, a 10 behind them, then 4 wingers (any 4 from Grealish/Bailey/Buendia/Cash/Young/Targett*), and a couple of '8's in Luiz & McGinn.  Then, like, 2 defenders and Emi in goal.  Win every game by a cricket score.  Job's a good 'un.

* honourary winger
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2021, 12:00:13 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'. Read 'Arsenal can't compete with Villa'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 22, 2021, 12:02:52 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.

Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.

To be honest I don't know what is stopping us looking at defenders in the Konsa bracket. Surely a 1st team championship defender would see coming to us as a step-up even if it meant he was 3rd choice.  What you'd lose in squad status would be made up by the potential of being an injury away from being a premiership 1st teamer. And the money of course.. Not knowing the budget or the targets its hard to judge what market we're dealing in for a reserve
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2021, 12:40:24 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'.

They clearly do have attitude problems, the rancid self-entitled Tarquins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2021, 12:44:56 PM
Did Cahill and Ashley Young ever play in the same Villa team ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 22, 2021, 12:50:54 PM
Did Cahill and Ashley Young ever play in the same Villa team ?
Cahill was in the team at Newcastle when Young made his Villa debut.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/newcastle-united-v-aston-villa-31-january-2007-276750/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 22, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'.

They clearly do have attitude problems, the rancid self-entitled Tarquins.

It has always amused me that the name 'Tarquin' became popular enough among those frilly-brained north London bourgeois types to become something of a meme, when it's most notably the name of history's most famous rapist.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
Something that concerns me as Villa continue to grow the squad and raise the level of playing quality is the way Smith will handle rotation and use of the squad  And how the players adapt to being part of a more competitive squad.
This is majorly intriguing to me.

To me Man City and Chelsea have the best squads in the league. And they won the 2 biggest competitions
Man City win the league cup like every year these days because of their squad.

Leicester City beat Chelsea and is mentioned as a positive example to emulate won the FA cup without arguably their best performing player Harvey Barnes injured and quality of James Madison on the bench. They also cake almighty close to champions League placing.

Bringing in further quality to strengthen and compete with existing players would be most beneficial. It gives the quality options throughout the team. But it's how Smith handles that squad be most keen to observe.

Love Deano great coach literally only worry I have is him dealing with the squad aspect in regards to alternating.

I feel that was Liverpool downfall for the league last season as Klopp continued to play the same players and the injuries suffered didn't have the quality in the squad to compete for the league.
The season before they had a core spin of the team but things have to be refreshed and improved upon

We are certainly moving upward curve and bringing in quality like Young and Buendia who could start matches are good beginning of the window.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 22, 2021, 01:28:07 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.

Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.

To be honest I don't know what is stopping us looking at defenders in the Konsa bracket. Surely a 1st team championship defender would see coming to us as a step-up even if it meant he was 3rd choice.  What you'd lose in squad status would be made up by the potential of being an injury away from being a premiership 1st teamer. And the money of course.. Not knowing the budget or the targets its hard to judge what market we're dealing in for a reserve


Toughie. I'd suggest Konsa has only got anywhere near as good as he is now by playing week after week.

I like the way we're doing business now, either starter material or improvable youngster. It feels like we've got a proper thought through plan, but I do think that also means that there'll be times around the next few windows at least when we simply have to let the chips fall where they may and go with what we've got. I'm expecting world domination, but I can wait a season or two. So, no to Cahill.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 01:36:45 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gerrin on July 22, 2021, 01:47:10 PM
Having just watched Todd Cantwell’s ‘amazing goals, skills and assists’. Well there’s not many goals or assists in there but a lot of being shoved over and a lot more misses. His hair’s nice though.

Leon Bailey looks a level up.
That's my impression of him. Looks good flouncing around in a poor relegated/Championship team, but pretty underwhelmed otherwise. Am I missing something?
These are the sort of things people used to say about Grealish.

Now he's obviously nowhere near Grealish's level, but I reckon he's a lot better than people give him credit for.

He's got an annoying OTT goal celebration too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2021, 01:48:57 PM
And literally one of the most useless centre halves I have ever seen, short of the odd day when he turns up. As a signing, I would not trust him to sweep the stand properly, let alone defend our goal. His gaffs make Ridgewell look competent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2021, 01:49:12 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



Erm.. no.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?


Deffo if he's still up to it.

Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.
Yeah, same for me.  Engels didn't feature last season, and Hause only played 4 games.  I just don't see a 4th choice defender as being one that'll play a huge role, so to be honest I think I'd be happy with a player from the youth team, or bringing in someone who's maybe in the 18-21 age range who'll be happy with having limited involvement.

Issue with that though is you get lulled into that thought....and then Mings does his ankle and is out for three months or something. We've seen over last two seasons how seasons can quickly decline when key players get long term injuries so would be huge gamble to go in with just 3 CBs up to January. Don't forget we also had AEM who played early rounds of cups at CB so don't have that option either.

I expect Lange to find one in 10-15m bracket from somewhere in europe that can come in and bide their time as Konsa did for first 6 months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 22, 2021, 02:01:51 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'.

They clearly do have attitude problems, the rancid self-entitled Tarquins.

It has always amused me that the name 'Tarquin' became popular enough among those frilly-brained north London bourgeois types to become something of a meme, when it's most notably the name of history's most famous rapist.

I always thought it was the name of an otter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Whatever the statement that signing Luiz would be is probably a statement we should avoid making.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2021, 02:12:04 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

He's also on wages that would make him one of our top paid players and if he does move would expect to be first choice. I literally can't think of any reason why he'd be a good signing for us, he'd be about as poor as it gets.

The worst part is I read the opening line and expected him to name someone like Koopmeiners who I'd be totally on board with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 22, 2021, 02:13:25 PM
I have never understood why anyone has bought David Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
I have never understood why anyone has bought David Luiz.




he seems a nice guy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2021, 02:17:00 PM
He’s a fucking accident waiting to happen in every game. I would hope anyone who ever advocates for David Luiz never, ever has a bad word to say about Tyrone Mings and his occasional concentration lapses.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 22, 2021, 02:17:37 PM
And he has great hair..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2021, 02:25:51 PM
in a Doyle kind of way - soo 70s, man.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
I have never understood why anyone has bought David Luiz.

he seems a nice guy
and a comitted Christian.  What's not to like?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 02:50:31 PM
Hungarian CB Atilla (good start!) Szalai (not so strong but would be hilarious for commentators) from Fenerbache...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2021, 02:52:17 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

He's also on wages that would make him one of our top paid players

I think he's technically not on any wages at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 02:54:10 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

Well he's a ball playing centre back and can step out into midfield . Also he plays a defensive midfield role with an attitude to keep hold of possession and plays excellent passing.  If we are looking to control games he can play pivot or he can when we see out games drop into defence as insurance. I don't see why he couldn't be considered.
Fits remit of premier league experience
Listed the reasons. Why he's a great option.
And anyhow people reference Cahill who is 35!

Also to add further reasons as well as versatility and free kick ability he can help Wesley recovery by nurturing him with his mother tounge. A native speaker around Wesley who is older and wiser with gold moral values would do wonders for Wesley
And of course he's been an experienced winner at club level so has the right mentality to pass on experience to existing defenders and Douglas too in regards to mother tounge
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2021, 02:57:34 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

He's also on wages that would make him one of our top paid players

I think he's technically not on any wages at the moment.

yes, fair comment, but he was listed as on £120k p/w at Arsenal. I seem to remember stories that him refusing to lower his wages was behind him not extending his contract there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 22, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

Well he's a ball playing centre back and can step out into midfield . Also he plays a defensive midfield role with an attitude to keep hold of possession and plays excellent passing.  If we are looking to control games he can play pivot or he can when we see out games drop into defence as insurance. I don't see why he couldn't be considered.
Fits remit of premier league experience
Listed the reasons. Why he's a great option.
And anyhow people reference Cahill who is 35!

Also to add further reasons as well as versatility and free kick ability he can help Wesley recovery by nurturing him with his mother tounge. A native speaker around Wesley who is older and wiser with gold moral values would do wonders for Wesley
And of course he's been an experienced winner at club level so has the right mentality to pass on experience to existing defenders and Douglas too in regards to mother tounge


But he can't defend...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
And he has great hair..

In a sideshow bob kind of way
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 02:59:49 PM
He’s a fucking accident waiting to happen in every game. I would hope anyone who ever advocates for David Luiz never, ever has a bad word to say about Tyrone Mings and his occasional concentration lapses.
Yes That's a very balance perspective of  the Champions League ,  Premier league, Europa League  and multi fa cup winner David Luiz.
Not to mention what he won with Benfica and PSG clearly hes not appreciated by you then !

Furthermore signing a player who has played high end matches and won things is only a decent acquisitions in my scouting book to add to the quality we have.
Too easy to look at people's faults many good things about him his record and clubs he's played for showed that.
A Brazilian international of some repute but not Thiago Silva granted still he's the calibre of player that enhances things around the club.
Need more winners around the place. Ash Young already showing his class yesterday way he was encouraging and supporting players and that's just on the pitch.
A lot can be said for an experienced player or two.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2021, 03:05:04 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: yammers on July 22, 2021, 03:05:23 PM
Confirmed that Smith-Rowe has signed his contract extension and been given the number 10 shirt so that’s definitely the end of that one!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 03:06:25 PM
Didn't work out for Arsenal like that, did it?  He's been passed it for 3 or 4 years and wouldn't add anything that Ashley Young hasn't already given us. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 03:06:34 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 22, 2021, 03:08:05 PM
Confirmed that Smith-Rowe has signed his contract extension and been given the number 10 shirt so that’s definitely the end of that one!!!

Pfft. Everybody knows they only do these things to bump up the transfer fee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 22, 2021, 03:10:42 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .

They're probably all 'back 3' merchants. Don't listen to them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2021, 03:17:37 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .

They're probably all 'back 3' merchants. Don't listen to them.

Good man.

Footy, don't go the Dark Side with the Montys of this world.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on July 22, 2021, 03:18:26 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'.
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'.

They clearly do have attitude problems, the rancid self-entitled Tarquins.

It has always amused me that the name 'Tarquin' became popular enough among those frilly-brained north London bourgeois types to become something of a meme, when it's most notably the name of history's most famous rapist.

I always thought it was the name of an otter.

They clearly do have attitude problems, the rancid self-entitled Tarquins.

It has always amused me that the name 'Tarquin' became popular enough among those frilly-brained north London bourgeois types to become something of a meme, when it's most notably the name of history's most famous rapist.

I always thought it was the name of an otter.

I thought it was a guy who blew up planets with a Death Star.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 22, 2021, 03:21:37 PM

Am I hallucinating or has someone really suggested David Luiz?

Words fail me….
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on July 22, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
'Arsenal out of the race for Bailey because of attitude problems'. Read 'Arsenal can't compete with Villa'.

Attitude problems, as in their team is in a nosedive?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2021, 03:32:17 PM
We've just got ourselves back to being one of the meanest defences in the PL and then someone advocates the signing of the Grand Marshal of the Clown Defending Association.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?

Good question. I was under the impression that this was the most likely one to happen.

As I mentioned last week..

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

UPDATE: River Plate won 2-0 so are through to the quarter finals. Alverez came off the bench on 82 minutes. Only difference from above is Boca Juniors lost on penalties (and caused a riot). 19th of August remains the next deadline to look out for, 2nd leg River Plate vs Atletico Mineiro.

If I was a betting man I'd probably pencil in Alverez to Villa in the January window. Assuming we're interested, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?
Deffo if he's still up to it.
Would make sense, but would probably prefer a young player with potential who can be brought on gradually.
To be honest I don't know what is stopping us looking at defenders in the Konsa bracket. Surely a 1st team championship defender would see coming to us as a step-up even if it meant he was 3rd choice.  What you'd lose in squad status would be made up by the potential of being an injury away from being a premiership 1st teamer. And the money of course.. Not knowing the budget or the targets its hard to judge what market we're dealing in for a reserve
How did Revan look last night in the Walsall game?
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Post by: Virgil Caine on July 22, 2021, 03:41:50 PM
According to BBC Smith-Rowe has signed a new long term contract with Arsenal
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Post by: frank black on July 22, 2021, 03:45:24 PM
According to BBC Smith-Rowe has signed a new long term contract with Arsenal

As expected, he got a bumper new deal and the number 10 shirt. His agent has really earned his percentage
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2021, 03:46:31 PM
David Luiz as a statement signing.

Signing David Luiz would certainly mean making a statement.

"We're fucking nuts". That statement.
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Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2021, 03:49:35 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .
Most of the attributes and achievements you mentioned, F-V, are some while back in his career. Luiz deteriorated badly in his time at the Arse, and his pastoral benefits can be administered equally as well as him by Cashley Y.
I'd favour neither Cahill nor Luiz: we have Terry to provide the deep experience. We should be looking at someone young enough to continue developing and good enough to put Mings and Konsa under a bit of pressure to perform.
Regarding F-V's comments about squad rotation, I share those concerns: last season, Deano did have some rotation options but didn't seem keen to use them; claiming that players don't get tired if continually played. Greater flexibility with a larger and more competitive squad has to be a part of next season, IMHO.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on July 22, 2021, 04:18:56 PM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?

Good question. I was under the impression that this was the most likely one to happen.

As I mentioned last week..

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

UPDATE: River Plate won 2-0 so are through to the quarter finals. Alverez came off the bench on 82 minutes. Only difference from above is Boca Juniors lost on penalties (and caused a riot). 19th of August remains the next deadline to look out for, 2nd leg River Plate vs Atletico Mineiro.

If I was a betting man I'd probably pencil in Alverez to Villa in the January window. Assuming we're interested, obviously.


Sign him with a loan back clause. He can then join  us in January and be integrated into the squad in the second half of the season?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on July 22, 2021, 04:23:10 PM
We've just got ourselves back to being one of the meanest defences in the PL and then someone advocates the signing of the Grand Marshal of the Clown Defending Association.

We may as re-sign Mic*h or Jole*n. They’re hall of famers in the CDA.
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Post by: Border villan on July 22, 2021, 04:40:46 PM
David Luiz must be worth a goal a game or a sending off.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

Well he's a ball playing centre back and can step out into midfield . Also he plays a defensive midfield role with an attitude to keep hold of possession and plays excellent passing.  If we are looking to control games he can play pivot or he can when we see out games drop into defence as insurance. I don't see why he couldn't be considered.
Fits remit of premier league experience
Listed the reasons. Why he's a great option.
And anyhow people reference Cahill who is 35!

Also to add further reasons as well as versatility and free kick ability he can help Wesley recovery by nurturing him with his mother tounge. A native speaker around Wesley who is older and wiser with gold moral values would do wonders for Wesley
And of course he's been an experienced winner at club level so has the right mentality to pass on experience to existing defenders and Douglas too in regards to mother tounge


Wesley has an issue with his morality?

I get the leaders in the squad bit, but David Luiz is a go awful player that has played off reputation rather than ability for years. He has also had his fair share of immoral moments on the pitch rolling about as if hit in the face when clearly he wasn't etc. I am not having a bar of the idea hes a good player, hes been incredibly fortunate to be in sides that have won things, often in spite of him being mostly useless.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 22, 2021, 04:48:36 PM
John Percy reporting Stoke are after Keinan on loan...nothing agreed so far but talks have been held
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 22, 2021, 04:49:57 PM
YES!
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 22, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
A committed Christian is exactly what we need, to be fair.

Luiz is an absolute wanker.

I'd rather sign David Duchovny
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2021, 05:09:52 PM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?

Good question. I was under the impression that this was the most likely one to happen.

As I mentioned last week..

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

UPDATE: River Plate won 2-0 so are through to the quarter finals. Alverez came off the bench on 82 minutes. Only difference from above is Boca Juniors lost on penalties (and caused a riot). 19th of August remains the next deadline to look out for, 2nd leg River Plate vs Atletico Mineiro.

If I was a betting man I'd probably pencil in Alverez to Villa in the January window. Assuming we're interested, obviously.


Sign him with a loan back clause. He can then join  us in January and be integrated into the squad in the second half of the season?

What if he gets injured between now and January? Ideally we can have an agreement in place to sign him on the 1st of January. Obviously, there's still time to sign him next month before the window closes but I can't see River Plate wanting to sell him while they're still in the South American version of the Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 05:11:39 PM
Literally suggesting Luiz because Cahill was mentioned as an experienced defender plus peoples ongoing request for a dm. So it was all rolled into one really.
And if he's not everyone's liking that's fair enough however I think any football follower can acknowledge his free kick technics if they choosing to deny his accolades.
I think he's a good footballer and the worst I ever saw was when Brazil lost 7-1 to Germany in the world cup semi final if 2014 in Belo Horizonte  brazil  . The occasion was all too much and unfortunately he greatly suffered in that game.
Premier league wise he never made any more mistakes than anyone else playing as a defender but people saw him as someone to poke fun at and criticise.

And I merely mentioned him being Christian (all other religions and non respected too) as indication he's no off field issues of ill repute which to me always cause impact on field or later in life issues.if not addressed.
I don't think he's pastor best despite what others say!

Do check out his free kicks if anything else. Final word from me on this David Luiz transfer speculation as have read above the news on KD...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 05:16:20 PM
John Percy reporting Stoke are after Keinan on loan...nothing agreed so far but talks have been held
Percy knows.
Great info . Thanks . I'm mixed on this one I feel he needed that loan sooner. As would like him involved premier league level if not with us maybe another club on loan to build him up.

I would have preferred Wesley to go out on loan (ideally sold) but maybe January he's someone who's more pressing to have minutes and we can ill afford to have passengers who aren't up to the required level and tempo which in part due to long standing injury Wesley miles off being Premier ready.

I hope KD does well and hope means a new attacking player comes in.
Seems things are starting to happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2021, 05:20:26 PM
so has the alvarez thing gone away then ?

Good question. I was under the impression that this was the most likely one to happen.

As I mentioned last week..

He played today (Alvarez, not Vickery) for River Plate in their last 16 Copa Libertadores, first leg game. River were held at home 1-1 by Argentinos Juniors. Second leg is next Thursday, if River win I'd be surprised if they sell him as they're likely to play Boca in the quarter final with the 2nd leg around the 19th of August. The semi final is around the 21st of September, long after the window closes.

It may explain why it's gone very quiet or it could be just a bullshit rumour. If it is true we're interested, next Thursday could be decisive or failing that immediately after the 19th August.

UPDATE: River Plate won 2-0 so are through to the quarter finals. Alverez came off the bench on 82 minutes. Only difference from above is Boca Juniors lost on penalties (and caused a riot). 19th of August remains the next deadline to look out for, 2nd leg River Plate vs Atletico Mineiro.

If I was a betting man I'd probably pencil in Alverez to Villa in the January window. Assuming we're interested, obviously.


Sign him with a loan back clause. He can then join  us in January and be integrated into the squad in the second half of the season?

What if he gets injured between now and January? Ideally we can have an agreement in place to sign him on the 1st of January. Obviously, there's still time to sign him next month before the window closes but I can't see River Plate wanting to sell him while they're still in the South American version of the Champions League.

Hopefully they need the money because the final is in November.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2021, 05:25:01 PM
Hopefully they need the money because the final is in November.

Except he's third party owned. I still haven't fully worked how that works.
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Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2021, 05:27:39 PM
Hopefully they need the money because the final is in November.

Except he's third party owned. I still haven't fully worked how that works.

You're OK if he gets stolen but you're buggered if you cause an accident in him.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 05:29:53 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .
Most of the attributes and achievements you mentioned, F-V, are some while back in his career. Luiz deteriorated badly in his time at the Arse, and his pastoral benefits can be administered equally as well as him by Cashley Y.
I'd favour neither Cahill nor Luiz: we have Terry to provide the deep experience. We should be looking at someone young enough to continue developing and good enough to put Mings and Konsa under a bit of pressure to perform.
Regarding F-V's comments about squad rotation, I share those concerns: last season, Deano did have some rotation options but didn't seem keen to use them; claiming that players don't get tired if continually played. Greater flexibility with a larger and more competitive squad has to be a part of next season, IMHO.

Mister E thank you. At least someone can adult discussion here on the varying opinion.
Very well put if I don't totally agree I can certainly see the reasoning for you not wanting to pursue a move for David Luiz and intstead a younger player
I hope there are more posts of this calibre come season 201/22 please

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Post by: Risso on July 22, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
I agree with you Footy, to go to the next level Dean needs to be comfortable properly utilising a full squad and not flogging the same first 11 to death.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
David Luiz? Jesus Christmas.
Well we all have varying opinions I was putting up reasoning after seeing Cahill suggested.
Just feel Luiz ticks a lot of boxes posters here have been requesting .
Most of the attributes and achievements you mentioned, F-V, are some while back in his career. Luiz deteriorated badly in his time at the Arse, and his pastoral benefits can be administered equally as well as him by Cashley Y.
I'd favour neither Cahill nor Luiz: we have Terry to provide the deep experience. We should be looking at someone young enough to continue developing and good enough to put Mings and Konsa under a bit of pressure to perform.
Regarding F-V's comments about squad rotation, I share those concerns: last season, Deano did have some rotation options but didn't seem keen to use them; claiming that players don't get tired if continually played. Greater flexibility with a larger and more competitive squad has to be a part of next season, IMHO.

Also on Dean Smith and growing the squad.
And appreciated that you acknowledge my one literal concern on Dean Smith and the squad management. It's new steps for him and to be taking players off and dealing with the impact of alternating is something he's got to adapt and be less averse too.
I love Dean Smith he's a fantastic coach . One of the best
I think Deano can be very successful but the one area where his downfall would be player fall out and his less than modern attitudes of players being fatigued and exhausted
It's a squad game and will only more so be.
So having 25 near same level players all competing would be where ultimately get too.
Of course will be a few stand out stars but we see with likes of KDB being rested for Man City it's a squad where all players must be pushing for 1st team but tolerate the squad premise .
Dean alievate rather than alienates our growing squad by rest and rotation. Hope he finds a way to be more like that as that's just how it is at high end level
 
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2021, 05:34:34 PM
Hungarian CB Atilla (good start!)...

Sounds perfect for Sevco.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2021, 05:54:29 PM
David Luiz must be worth a goal a game or a sending off.

I've only ever seen him play 'in the flesh' once, Germany scored 7.
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Post by: nigel on July 22, 2021, 06:25:53 PM
John Percy reporting Stoke are after Keinan on loan...nothing agreed so far but talks have been held

Could be a good loan for him.
An upper middle team, so if he works out for them could push them towards play offs
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Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
John Percy reporting Stoke are after Keinan on loan...nothing agreed so far but talks have been held
Percy knows.
Great info . Thanks . I'm mixed on this one I feel he needed that loan sooner. As would like him involved premier league level if not with us maybe another club on loan to build him up.

I would have preferred Wesley to go out on loan (ideally sold) but maybe January he's someone who's more pressing to have minutes and we can ill afford to have passengers who aren't up to the required level and tempo which in part due to long standing injury Wesley miles off being Premier ready.
I hope KD does well and hope means a new attacking player comes in.
Seems things are starting to happen.
I've come to the conclusion that Davis' time with us has passed - either because Louie Barry, Brad Young and Aaron Ramsey are in the mix, and / or we'll bring someone else in. Loan-to-buy deal with Stoke or some other outfit would make sense.

I've been a vocal supporter of Wesley throughout, partly because so many people seem to be negative toward him. However, if we cannot accommodate him in the team effectively as a #10 ('cos he ain't no out-and-out striker) he needs to go out on loan with a view to selling him in 6 or 12 months' time.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2021, 06:57:01 PM
I actually feel Keinan could have a higher ceiling than Wesley.  Other than his finishing he just looks a much better player to me.  That's not to say I think a huge amout of Wes' finishing - he's had a few decent close range shots but his strikes generally look very powder puff.

But I agree, Keinans time has probably passed and unless Wes does sonething brilliant in pre-season, I think his has too.
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Post by: brian green on July 22, 2021, 07:06:30 PM
The difference between them is one was a record signing the other cost a round of drinks.  Keinan owes us nothing.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
The difference between them is one was a record signing the other cost a round of drinks.  Keinan owes us nothing.


maybe a 🍺
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Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2021, 07:42:30 PM
I actually feel Keinan could have a higher ceiling than Wesley.  Other than his finishing he just looks a much better player to me.  That's not to say I think a huge amout of Wes' finishing - he's had a few decent close range shots but his strikes generally look very powder puff.

But I agree, Keinans time has probably passed and unless Wes does sonething brilliant in pre-season, I think his has too.

Davis can be very good at bringing others into the play. It's just he has little or no threat in the opposition box. Maybe with some exceptional coaching he could improve his movement and instincts around the box to get those scruffy goals. He has been a decent sub for us at times, not in a scoring sense, but that critical game at West Ham for example. Early on in his career under Bruce he did very well for us for a spell bringing the likes of Hourihane and Grealish into games. Would be delighted to see him kick on elsewhere on loan.

Wesley's goals for us have been of that scruffy variety looking back but we were playing effectively with 10 men for a lot of the games he played. For a player with his physique that hold up play is surely fixable but after such a long time out with injury he needs a loan spell and regular football. That tackle on him was an utter disgrace, I feel the club should have made a lot more noise about it at the time. 
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Post by: Smithy on July 22, 2021, 08:02:34 PM
You don't need to be a 20-goal a season striker to make a very good living from this game.  I still think Davis will have a solid career, maybe even back in the premier league, but I don't think he'll ever develop into a prolific striker (would love to be proven wrong though!).

He's still not had many actual minutes in the premier league for us (266 last season, not even three full games across the whole season, most of those minutes as late a cameo, with 1 goal and 1 assist to show for it), and the way things are going with our recruitment he's not going to get the minutes he needs with us.

His all-round game is pretty good, and I think he'd be a real handful in the Championship, for Stoke, or someone else.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him drop down a level and get 10-ish goals and prove himself really popular with another club's fans for putting himself about and the effort he puts in.

If he goes, he'll certainly go with my best wishes.
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Post by: Skerra on July 22, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
As long as we get decent cover for the striker roles, I would wish Davis and Wesley well in their endeavours to find regular football. Right from the word go, I felt that Wesley didn’t offer too much close control or staggering pace etc. He physically looks the part but would be surprised if he makes it in the English game. Good luck to them both though.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 22, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
Davis just isn’t very good at goal scoring. Even if his all round game isn’t bad.

Ive had enough of non-goal-scoring-strikers at the Villa over the years.

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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 22, 2021, 09:29:21 PM
As long as we get decent cover for the striker roles, I would wish Davis and Wesley well in their endeavours to find regular football. Right from the word go, I felt that Wesley didn’t offer too much close control or staggering pace etc. He physically looks the part but would be surprised if he makes it in the English game. Good luck to them both though.

He wasn't pulling up any trees in Belgium, and that was before a serious injury. To be fair most of the Suso signings came good, pity the most expensive one was the biggest dud.

Ollie is an excellent player, and I like Davis. Still think we need one more, and if we loan one out it should be Wesley not Davis.
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Post by: Risso on July 22, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
Neither of them are good enough for where we want to be.
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Post by: UK Redsox on July 22, 2021, 09:39:01 PM
Whatever the statement that signing Luiz would be is probably a statement we should avoid making.

The kind of statement that could be used against you in court
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 22, 2021, 10:06:55 PM
After watching a YouTube compilation of Emi’s highlights I even wonder if he could be a better player than Jack? 

Perfectly two footed, amazing passing range and loads of end product. He has Jack’s ability of making every other player look like they’re running in treacle, but seems even faster.

Am I getting too excited?
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
After watching a YouTube compilation of Emi’s highlights I even wonder if he could be a better player than Jack? 

Perfectly two footed, amazing passing range and loads of end product. He has Jack’s ability of making every other player look like they’re running in treacle, but seems even faster.

Am I getting too excited?

I think you need to apologise to the site and feel jolly bad about that statement.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 22, 2021, 10:21:33 PM
Sorry everyone, particularly Jack. Brum > Argentina - obvs.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 22, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
After watching a YouTube compilation of Emi’s highlights I even wonder if he could be a better player than Jack? 

Perfectly two footed, amazing passing range and loads of end product. He has Jack’s ability of making every other player look like they’re running in treacle, but seems even faster.

Am I getting too excited?

I think you need to apologise to the site and feel jolly bad about that statement.

Nobody is and will ever be as good as Jack.

But yeah he looks a very exciting player, and am getting very excited about this season.
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Post by: Border villan on July 22, 2021, 10:52:08 PM
After less than a minute Kienan, all on his own, went down injured. It needed considerable persuasion from the physios etc to convince him to bravely soldier on. Has his fragility been indulged too long?
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Post by: rob_bridge on July 22, 2021, 11:04:17 PM
David Luiz must be worth a goal a game or a sending off.

Luiz as footballer - technically very good.

The problem is he has no footballing brain and therefore finding out where to play him is impossible. He is 34 and that is too late to find out.

The game v Germany he brought it upon himself to play some sort of Rush Goalkeeper which isn't a real position in the professional game.
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Post by: Bryan on July 22, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
David Luiz?!? A terrible defender who costs a fortune and seems to end up with managers being sacked in his wake.

Additionally I think it’s been about 4 years since he last scored a free kick so we can rule that attribute out.

We need someone who can take the core nets and the free kicks in a delivery sense over a guy that fancies shooting from 30+ yards every time. JWP fits that bill. As does Maddison (although I think we’ve no chance of him)
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 22, 2021, 11:36:51 PM
Has Baileys twitter always had the lion head underneath???
https://mobile.twitter.com/leonbailey?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2021, 11:39:16 PM
There's a few lion emojis in his Tweets pre-dating the alleged Villa interest. He could be Rastafari... or he might just like lions?
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Post by: Bryan on July 22, 2021, 11:39:26 PM
Sadly I think that may be a Jamaica reference rather than a Villa one.

Would love to be proved wrong.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 22, 2021, 11:41:23 PM
There's a few lion emojis in his Tweets pre-dating the alleged Villa interest. He could be Rastafari... or he might just like lions?

Ahh fair enough. Getting my hopes up at midnight as usual haha
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2021, 11:43:48 PM
Has Baileys twitter always had the lion head underneath???
https://mobile.twitter.com/leonbailey?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

He was born on Aug. 9th so could be a reference to his star sign 'Leo the Lion' (could be why he's called Leon).

In any case it looks too ferocious to be the one on the Villa badge.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2021, 11:58:53 PM
Can't believe Celtic striker Odsonne Edouard hasn't been snapped up yet.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2021, 11:59:09 PM
When's the Gold cup end?
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Post by: OCD on July 23, 2021, 12:12:39 AM
The lion is the symbol of Rastafari. This lion represents Haile Selassie I, who is referred to as the 'Conquering Lion of Judah'. Rastafarians' dreadlocks represent the lion's mane.

Sadly not a nod to joining us but may prove ironic in future.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 12:23:42 AM
The lion is the symbol of Rastafari. This lion represents Haile Selassie I, who is referred to as the 'Conquering Lion of Judah'. Rastafarians' dreadlocks represent the lion's mane.

Only 1.1% of Jamaicans are Rastafarians, approx. 8.3% are Leos. ;)
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Post by: ExclDawg on July 23, 2021, 01:48:05 AM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

Just noticed that this was the second post of the thread. Has to be an edit, surely?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 03:38:35 AM
The Bailey link is up there wit Buendia for me. I saw him in a game last season on BT Sport and thought he looked brilliantly suited to the premier league, running at players at pace. I hope he and Alvarez are not an either/ or situation, and the latter is being seen as more of a striker freeing up Davis to go out on loan.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 23, 2021, 05:57:20 AM
This guy seems credible. 20k followers and a blue tick.

https://twitter.com/pedrogva6/status/1418332093764014084?s=20
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Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 07:09:37 AM
Think that guy has said it's close a few times so not sure he's that reliable.

If it's Alvarez or Bailey I'd take the latter.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 23, 2021, 07:17:53 AM
Think that guy has said it's close a few times so not sure he's that reliable.

If it's Alvarez or Bailey I'd take the latter.

Yh if it Al instead of Bailey I would be gutted. We need both tbf
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Post by: Ads on July 23, 2021, 07:22:10 AM
Think that guy has said it's close a few times so not sure he's that reliable.

If it's Alvarez or Bailey I'd take the latter.

With Davis off to Stoke and Watkins needing a little bit more recuperation time this season, I'd have both.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 07:29:16 AM
Think that guy has said it's close a few times so not sure he's that reliable.

If it's Alvarez or Bailey I'd take the latter.

With Davis off to Stoke and Watkins needing a little bit more recuperation time this season, I'd have both.

Me too. Ideal if can get both.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 23, 2021, 07:42:31 AM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

Just noticed that this was the second post of the thread. Has to be an edit, surely?

Haha no edit. He was bizarrely linked to Leeds at the beginning of last season just after they were promoted so I've been hoping for us to jump on it since then.
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Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2021, 07:54:11 AM
Neither of them are good enough for where we want to be.
That's it. We've moved on ; they haven't.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2021, 08:43:08 AM
This guy seems credible. 20k followers and a blue tick.

https://twitter.com/pedrogva6/status/1418332093764014084?s=20

Taken from a link in last nights Birmingham Mail. Looks more like a bored kid in his bedroom in Lisbon posting transfer links. #justsaying
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 23, 2021, 08:50:18 AM
Lots of discussion on incomings, but wonder who will leave this window.

Seems pretty certain someone will buy Hourihane, and plenty of links to Davis going on loan. Wouldn't surprise me if Guilbert left, and think the club may be tempted to sell El Ghazi if we get another winger in. Kalinic and Engels already out.

Can't see us shedding more players than that.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on July 23, 2021, 09:07:44 AM
I wouldn't be selling El Ghazi. He's been a very important player for us and will be around the first team again this season I'd imagine. You never know how long it takes new players for to adjust and having players like El Ghazi around who can be relied on is essential. 
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Post by: frank black on July 23, 2021, 09:09:19 AM
Lots of discussion on incomings, but wonder who will leave this window.

Seems pretty certain someone will buy Hourihane, and plenty of links to Davis going on loan. Wouldn't surprise me if Guilbert left, and think the club may be tempted to sell El Ghazi if we get another winger in. Kalinic and Engels already out.

Can't see us shedding more players than that.

I can’t see us being tempted to sell El Ghazi. A frustrating but important player to us. (For now)
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 09:23:50 AM
blimey. Are Stoke going to play Davis as an actual Striker? That's a brave move by their manager if true.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
blimey. Are Stoke going to play Davis as an actual Striker? That's a brave move by their manager if true.

Only till he gets injured after about three games.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 09:32:44 AM
blimey. Are Stoke going to play Davis as an actual Striker? That's a brave move by their manager if true.

Only till he gets injured after about three games.

hah, yeah just had a look at their squad and they seem to have a lot of forwards, albeit pretty duff ones. I'm not sure what mental process is occurring when you think "We need more goals in this team. get that Davis lad in" though.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2021, 09:33:12 AM
I've got a feeling if he can have a decent run as first choice (and stay fit) it may just be what he needs to kick on.  I really hope so.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 09:43:15 AM
Think he could have been a decent option behind the forwards as he certainly has the ability to create things and should have been developed as such. As a striker/forward though. Not a chance imo  Good luck if he makes the move because its his last chance really. Hope he proves me wrong.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2021, 09:50:37 AM
I've got a feeling if he can have a decent run as first choice (and stay fit) it may just be what he needs to kick on.  I really hope so.

Agreed. Certainly hope so, he has everything in the game except goalscoring. Admittedly that's a fairly important part of being a forward... I've always liked him so hope he starts twatting them in. A hat-trick home and away against Small Heath would be nice. Also be mildy amusing if he scores against Baggies again.
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Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
blimey. Are Stoke going to play Davis as an actual Striker? That's a brave move by their manager if true.

Only till he gets injured after about three games.

Yes, it’s make or break really for him. He’s clearly got ability and he’s a trier but he’s the polar opposite of a clinical finisher and has never stayed fit for long enough to give himself a chance of forcing his way into the team.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 23, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.

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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2021, 10:30:38 AM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.



Love that guy Pete
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Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2021, 10:47:14 AM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.

I agree with him on Tammy and Ings. I think he was missing 1 criteria though (but I understand why he stops at 3, it's in the name). The most important criteria as I see it is that the majority of our signings are players that we've looked at and decided they're on the brink of a big step up in performance and we're trying to buy them just before that happens (and become part of the reason why). This is why I think it's so important to give players 12-18 months before writing them off (aside from the odd signing which is clearly to address a specific weakness in the squad in the short term, such as Young and Samatta).

On McNeil my problem is that I don't think he's any better now than he was 2-3 years ago, not just from seeing him play but also looking at his stats across almost any measure, if anything last season he went backwards.

Everything he says is why I've been saying I want a forward who can play a few roles and a defensive midfielder who can cover at centre back, that versatility adds so much to the squad.
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Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.



Love that guy Pete

Have him and TV ever met in real Villa life ?
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2021, 10:55:20 AM
If I bought anyone from Burnley it would be Ben Mee..... now bear with me.

I'd have him apologise to Wesley, then I'd sit him on the bench every game for the next 5 years, the dirty bastard.
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Post by: andyh on July 23, 2021, 11:47:33 AM
If I bought anyone from Burnley it would be Ben Mee..... now bear with me.

I'd have him apologise to Wesley, then I'd sit him on the bench every game for the next 5 years, the dirty bastard.

Picking up dog shit in Aston Park would be more appropriate
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Post by: villa_cads on July 23, 2021, 11:53:59 AM
If I bought anyone from Burnley it would be Ben Mee..... now bear with me.

I'd have him apologise to Wesley, then I'd sit him on the bench every game for the next 5 years, the dirty bastard.

He straddle it knowing Mee, legs wrapped around. We simply can't afford to have our bench out for the season.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 23, 2021, 11:57:51 AM
Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal as backup for Konsa worth a look?

The solution to the centre back , free kicks and defensive midfield people all banging on about  all rolled into one.
David Luiz as a statement signing.
He's a very Dean Smith type player.

And with Luiz you would have the versatility , quality ,experience and a great off field person who is a committed Christian.
Culturally as a player some here in UK misunderstood him but I think Dean Smith and JT could do worse than bringing him in on a free because at the end of the day he's a quality footballer and one of the best direct free kick takers I've ever seen in recent times. Certainly the best centre back one!



In what way in this whole entire universe is David Luiz a Dean Smith type player?! In any case, he's 34, way past his best, and if he's not going to get into the Arsenal side he sure as hell isn't getting into ours.

Well he's a ball playing centre back and can step out into midfield . Also he plays a defensive midfield role with an attitude to keep hold of possession and plays excellent passing.  If we are looking to control games he can play pivot or he can when we see out games drop into defence as insurance. I don't see why he couldn't be considered.
Fits remit of premier league experience
Listed the reasons. Why he's a great option.
And anyhow people reference Cahill who is 35!

Also to add further reasons as well as versatility and free kick ability he can help Wesley recovery by nurturing him with his mother tounge. A native speaker around Wesley who is older and wiser with gold moral values would do wonders for Wesley
And of course he's been an experienced winner at club level so has the right mentality to pass on experience to existing defenders and Douglas too in regards to mother tounge


Wesley has an issue with his morality?

I get the leaders in the squad bit, but David Luiz is a go awful player that has played off reputation rather than ability for years. He has also had his fair share of immoral moments on the pitch rolling about as if hit in the face when clearly he wasn't etc. I am not having a bar of the idea hes a good player, hes been incredibly fortunate to be in sides that have won things, often in spite of him being mostly useless.

I've never rated or liked David Luis from arsenal onwards. Whenever I do think about him it reminds me of Germany 7 Brazil 1. Flaps about in defence for me often out of position.  Completely gob smacked when Chelski bought him. Has a nasty streak too for all the smiles.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
Luis' reputation never recovered from that Brazil game. The reality was he was a very good defender on his day who won a lot of stuff afterwards. Still, wouldn't want him here though.
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Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2021, 12:25:56 PM
Luis' reputation never recovered from that Brazil game. The reality was he was a very good defender on his day who won a lot of stuff afterwards. Still, wouldn't want him here though.

He had a reputation for clown defending long before that, it merely underscored his weaknesses.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 12:30:29 PM
Luis' reputation never recovered from that Brazil game. The reality was he was a very good defender on his day who won a lot of stuff afterwards. Still, wouldn't want him here though.

He had a reputation for clown defending long before that, it merely underscored his weaknesses.

Still you don't have his medal collection and play for the clubs he has if you're absolutely crap at defending.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2021, 12:33:23 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 12:35:22 PM
oof! point taken. I withdraw that last comment.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 12:39:10 PM
oof! point taken. I withdraw that last comment.

That's what we like about you sb, always willing to admit you're wrong and concede to a valid point. :)
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
If I bought anyone from Burnley it would be Ben Mee..... now bear with me.

I'd have him apologise to Wesley, then I'd sit him on the bench every game for the next 5 years, the dirty bastard.

He straddle it knowing Mee, legs wrapped around. We simply can't afford to have our bench out for the season.


THE SHIT HOUSE
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Post by: TaxDodger on July 23, 2021, 12:47:09 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08

I read that as 'West Brom honours' and wondered if I'd been living in some form of parallel universe.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2021, 12:51:23 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)      (made me laugh)  ;D
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08

I read that as 'West Brom honours' and wondered if I'd been living in some form of parallel universe.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2021, 12:57:03 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08

I read that as 'West Brom honours' and wondered if I'd been living in some form of parallel universe.

Same.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2021, 12:59:52 PM
oof! point taken. I withdraw that last comment.

That's what we like about you sb, always willing to admit you're wrong and concede to a valid point. :)

Aye. Sometimes I find myself pretending i'm wrong because I feel a bit guilty to be honest. ;)
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Post by: Damo70 on July 23, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Lots of discussion on incomings, but wonder who will leave this window.

Seems pretty certain someone will buy Hourihane, and plenty of links to Davis going on loan. Wouldn't surprise me if Guilbert left, and think the club may be tempted to sell El Ghazi if we get another winger in. Kalinic and Engels already out.

Can't see us shedding more players than that.

I can’t see us being tempted to sell El Ghazi. A frustrating but important player to us. (For now)


I would like to see El Ghazi stay even if it is as a squad player.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Have we actually made a bid for Bailey?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2021, 01:25:05 PM
We're preparing one.
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Post by: exigo on July 23, 2021, 01:31:02 PM
As soon as we've opened the war chest.
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Post by: algy on July 23, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
Lots of discussion on incomings, but wonder who will leave this window.

Seems pretty certain someone will buy Hourihane, and plenty of links to Davis going on loan. Wouldn't surprise me if Guilbert left, and think the club may be tempted to sell El Ghazi if we get another winger in. Kalinic and Engels already out.

Can't see us shedding more players than that.

I can’t see us being tempted to sell El Ghazi. A frustrating but important player to us. (For now)


I would like to see El Ghazi stay even if it is as a squad player.
Supposedly a few Italian clubs have been asking about him.

I'd sell if we got a good enough offer.  If we're bringing in Bailey, AEG's game time is going to be more restricted this coming season -- in which case, we should sell him whilst he's still a 10-goal-a-season winger and we're more likely to get a transfer fee that reflects that.
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Post by: exigo on July 23, 2021, 01:35:08 PM
Challenge is then we'd have to spend daft money on a winger to sit on the bench for 75% of the season. Keep him one more season for sure, but with a view to getting of the kids up to that standard over the next 12 months.
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Post by: Matt C on July 23, 2021, 02:03:47 PM
At least another year with AEG I reckon, he’s a decent squad player for us. We’ve already shed a few squad players, presume Hourihane will go too plus some of the younger players on loan but otherwise, not sure we want to be reducing it much more.
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Post by: jwarry on July 23, 2021, 02:04:22 PM
Does look like the Kane to Man City has legs.  Telegraph reporting it now and predictably the stumbling block is Levy and money.  Hopefully the media will jump all over this now and leave us alone
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 02:08:42 PM
This guy seems credible. 20k followers and a blue tick.

https://twitter.com/pedrogva6/status/1418332093764014084?s=20

Taken from a link in last nights Birmingham Mail. Looks more like a bored kid in his bedroom in Lisbon posting transfer links. #justsaying

I believe the original source was TNT Sports in Argentina and River Plate are apparently 'braced' so at least the link isn't going away yet.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
Does look like the Kane to Man City has legs.  Telegraph reporting it now and predictably the stumbling block is Levy and money.  Hopefully the media will jump all over this now and leave us alone

Just shows Pep's genius as I think he and his scouting team may have uncovered a gem there.
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Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2021, 02:14:47 PM
Challenge is then we'd have to spend daft money on a winger to sit on the bench for 75% of the season. Keep him one more season for sure, but with a view to getting of the kids up to that standard over the next 12 months.
How many wingers do we need? - Trez (after injury), Philogene-Bidace, Traore, JG, Emi B, Kesler-Hayden, the new kid from Bournemouth.
And then there's AEG and possibly Bailey.
If JG is perhaps going to move to #10, we're still reasonably well covered.

Having said all that, I think AEG will stick around for another season unless someone comes in with a £25-30m bid.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
If Jack moves to 10 I think we're weak on the left.  If he doesn't I think we''re weak at 10.  I'm assuming Buendia will play right as he did for most of his time at Norwich.  If he does play 10 then I think we're weak on the right.

At least one more for me.  Plus a DM plus a striker.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 02:30:40 PM
Must be worth £20 million with his goal record in the prem to be fair to him. He has improved from a 1 in 5 to a 1 in 4 good game player too, and always puts the effort in. You always know though, 10 minutes into a game how it is going to go for El Ghazi.
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Post by: manic-road on July 23, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
Does look like the Kane to Man City has legs.  Telegraph reporting it now and predictably the stumbling block is Levy and money.  Hopefully the media will jump all over this now and leave us alone

Just shows Pep's genius as I think he and his scouting team may have uncovered a gem there.

I'm always amazed at the plaudits he gets considering the clubs he goes to, winning the Bundesliga with Bayern Munchen should be a given as they are by far the wealthiest German club then goes to mega rich City who can buy bench warmers for £60m and low and behold labelled a genius for winning trophies.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2021, 04:09:24 PM
If we are so rich then we should follow the City example and buy £60 million bench warmers and we would win the league - so simple to do, I am surprised that all clubs don’t do it!!

Pep is a brilliant manager
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Post by: Londonvilla on July 23, 2021, 04:15:32 PM
Douglas Luiz

“He can be sold for €70-80m in a few years” – Club urged to sign Aston Villa star this summer
By Lucas Sposito - 23rd July 2021


“Would Douglas Luiz be a good buy? Perfect, I’d take it right away! He’s very strong: he defends well, he has imagination, he’s bad. He can do everything”, Gianni Di Marzio told Radio Marte (via Area Napoli).

“If you take such a footballer, he can be sold for €70-80m in a few years. Now, however, he would cost you a maximum of twenty million.”



http://sportwitness.co.uk/can-sold-e70-80m-years-club-urged-sign-aston-villa-star-summer/

£20m for Douglas Luiz is a joke but would you let him go for £40m?
For me, he is best as a box to box and we play him in a double pivot so we have not seen him at his best.
So I would put him on a new contact and keep him.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2021, 04:17:31 PM
Douglas Luiz

“He can be sold for €70-80m in a few years” – Club urged to sign Aston Villa star this summer
By Lucas Sposito - 23rd July 2021


“Would Douglas Luiz be a good buy? Perfect, I’d take it right away! He’s very strong: he defends well, he has imagination, he’s bad. He can do everything”, Gianni Di Marzio told Radio Marte (via Area Napoli).

“If you take such a footballer, he can be sold for €70-80m in a few years. Now, however, he would cost you a maximum of twenty million.”



http://sportwitness.co.uk/can-sold-e70-80m-years-club-urged-sign-aston-villa-star-summer/

£20m for Douglas Luiz is a joke but would you let him go for £40m?
For me, he is best as a box to box and we play him in a double pivot so we have not seen him at his best.
So I would put him on a new contact and keep him.


I don’t think you could get him for £20m chap.
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Post by: algy on July 23, 2021, 04:20:11 PM
Douglas Luiz

“He can be sold for €70-80m in a few years” – Club urged to sign Aston Villa star this summer
By Lucas Sposito - 23rd July 2021


“Would Douglas Luiz be a good buy? Perfect, I’d take it right away! He’s very strong: he defends well, he has imagination, he’s bad. He can do everything”, Gianni Di Marzio told Radio Marte (via Area Napoli).

“If you take such a footballer, he can be sold for €70-80m in a few years. Now, however, he would cost you a maximum of twenty million.”



http://sportwitness.co.uk/can-sold-e70-80m-years-club-urged-sign-aston-villa-star-summer/

£20m for Douglas Luiz is a joke but would you let him go for £40m?
For me, he is best as a box to box and we play him in a double pivot so we have not seen him at his best.
So I would put him on a new contact and keep him.
Not for £20m, not for £40m, not for £60m.  We aren't going to get in the Champions League by selling our best players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2021, 04:23:28 PM
It's also fanciful to imagine we'll be pushed into selling players to Napoli
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Post by: LukeJames on July 23, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
If Napoli throw in Onomah aswell then maybe.
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Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2021, 04:25:36 PM
It's also fanciful to imagine we'll be pushed into selling players to Napoli

Maybe they'd make us an offer we couldn't refuse.
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Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 23, 2021, 04:28:45 PM
Italian clubs should always be the best, it's the correct order of things.

Apart from the Villa, obviously.
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Post by: OCD on July 23, 2021, 04:35:29 PM
It's worse, he's talking about 20m Euro's.
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Post by: Londonvilla on July 23, 2021, 04:58:47 PM
If Napoli throw in Onomah aswell then maybe.

throw in Onomah Lol
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Post by: ExclDawg on July 23, 2021, 05:07:46 PM
At this point, I'm hoping for Bailey, JWP and Alverez, in that order.  We would have Ollie up top with Alverez as backup. Bailey, Jack and Emi across the middle top, where Emi can shift over to Jacks spot as needed and the wings can be replaced by any of: El Ghazi, Trao, and Trez. SJM, JWP and Luiz can rotate around our 2 DM spots, and our defense pretty much stays the same as last year.  That's a pretty dang potent offense, with JWP probably banging in 20 goals just on free kicks won from that front line.
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Post by: Monty on July 23, 2021, 05:15:56 PM
It's also fanciful to imagine we'll be pushed into selling players to Napoli

Maybe they'd make us an offer we couldn't refuse.

Is that refuse or refuse?

Nah I like Napoli and all but if that guy thinks he costs £20m maximum now then he's embarrassingly out of his depth.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2021, 05:18:43 PM
If we're going to get carried away, looking at the service Ollie should be getting this season, I'll be disappointed if he's not hitting close to 30 goals. I'd say more if he sometimes didn't need that extra touch, his only fault in my eyes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 23, 2021, 05:32:54 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
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Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
It's also fanciful to imagine we'll be pushed into selling players to Napoli

Maybe they'd make us an offer we couldn't refuse.

Is that refuse or refuse?

Nah I like Napoli and all but if that guy thinks he costs £20m maximum now then he's embarrassingly out of his depth.

Not sure if the binmen have fully sorted-out the refuse situation in Napoli. (Parts of) it stinks!
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Post by: Astral Weeks on July 23, 2021, 06:07:48 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
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Post by: Demitri_C on July 23, 2021, 06:32:00 PM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come
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Post by: OCD on July 23, 2021, 06:37:18 PM
Holy Trinity's video about the owners was a good watch too.
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Post by: villadelph on July 23, 2021, 06:58:41 PM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come

Apparently, Everton want Nakamba..
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Post by: Vegas on July 23, 2021, 07:03:58 PM
This guy is great - thoughtful, insightful, clearly passionate.
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 23, 2021, 07:08:30 PM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come

Apparently, Everton want Nakamba..

50 million it is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 23, 2021, 07:11:28 PM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come

Apparently, Everton want Nakamba..

I wouldn't sell him, finished the season strongly and we play better with him in the team than Luiz. We are not blessed with defensive midfielders, he is the only one on the books really.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2021, 07:12:17 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
OK but other than that what’s he done?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2021, 07:27:56 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
OK but other than that what’s he done?

The Aqueduct?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 23, 2021, 07:31:27 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
OK but other than that what’s he done?

The Aqueduct?

Brought peace?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on July 23, 2021, 07:32:05 PM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come

Apparently, Everton want Nakamba..

I wouldn't sell him, finished the season strongly and we play better with him in the team than Luiz. We are not blessed with defensive midfielders, he is the only one on the books really.

Agree
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2021, 07:33:09 PM
Hmmm... Wes Brown honours:

Premier League: 1998–99, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08
FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2009–10 (bloody cheats)
FA Community Shield: 2007, 2008
UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
OK but other than that what’s he done?

The Aqueduct?

Brought peace?


peace? piss off ! 😀
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 23, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
Me too. I'm hoping he'll improve further and I still think his name's marvelous 🤭
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Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 07:44:02 PM
It's come from the daily mail. They chuck so much bull out without any of it ever being true. There is no way Marv moves this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: four fornicholl on July 23, 2021, 08:03:34 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
Very good, but it’s are not is!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2021, 08:25:54 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
Very good, but it’s are not is!

I disagree. Aston Villa is a single entity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2021, 08:28:49 PM
Great production quality, football-intelligence, TV-presenter-like cool in front of the camera and he even looks like a cross between two famous fellow-Villans (Tom Hanks and Bad English). This guy rawks!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: four fornicholl on July 23, 2021, 08:31:43 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
Very good, but it’s are not is!

I disagree. Aston Villa is a single entity.
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
Very good, but it’s are not is!

I disagree. Aston Villa is a single entity.
We are a collective, Shirley?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2021, 08:33:30 PM
Don't double quote with video embeds!! It's worse than an all-text quotathon!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: four fornicholl on July 23, 2021, 08:34:12 PM
Calling Bad English.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 23, 2021, 08:43:11 PM
That vague whispers reckon we ate after Dan James as our first target over Bailey? Surely he's talking shite
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2021, 08:44:44 PM
Just watched  the latest Holy Trinity on YouTube. Its a Canadian guy from Toronto  who I have posted about before. His latest one is about our recruitment policy and it makes so much sense. He explains why we are not going to buy Tammy or Ings and why we have an interest in McNeil from Burnley. Very well researched, but thats what we expect from people in Toronto, isnt that right TV? Only 20 mins long, highly recommended.




Your right it was very good.....
I'd never heard of this guy, but I'm hooked. I've already watched four videos!
Very good, but it’s are not is!

Very good indeed, and agree re are v is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
That vague whispers reckon we ate after Dan James as our first target over Bailey? Surely he's talking shite

Dan James fits our style and would do pretty well in our team I reckon. I'd sooner have Bailey though. Much more of a statement signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2021, 09:19:33 PM
We're linked with Dan James the same day that United finally announce the signing of Jaden Sancho. I'm surprised a tabloid hasn't already done this story.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2021, 09:27:17 PM
We're linked with Dan James the same day that United finally announce the signing of Jaden Sancho. I'm surprised a tabloid hasn't already done this story.

Convenient… Man U may need to recoup some cash and a newspaper highlights that one of their players might be for sale…
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 23, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
We're linked with Dan James the same day that United finally announce the signing of Jaden Sancho. I'm surprised a tabloid hasn't already done this story.

The thing is it's so plausible that it's cant be true. But him for 15 mil of mcneil for 50 I'd rather James. But anything north of 15 I would rather have bailey.
I'm getting really impatient now because I really want us to hit the ground running and a signing from abroad will take time to bed in and potentially 3 players we are looking at all fall into that category.
We do have a good squad I trust now but with so much talk about closing the gap on the big 6 I expected some action by now.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2021, 09:45:08 PM
Dan James would be a good signing.  Good player, under played at United.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 23, 2021, 09:54:06 PM
If Odosonne Edouard is still available, I would love us to take him on as an alternative centre forward.
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Post by: Villafirst on July 23, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Nice to see Yanited's debt mountain increase further.....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 23, 2021, 10:07:00 PM
Edouard downed tools last season for Celtic. We've moved on from 2015. No thank you.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 23, 2021, 10:20:31 PM
Aston Villa sign West Brom talent Triston Rowe

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/23/aston-villa-sign-west-brom-talent-triston-rowe/

How big is our youth team????
Bring it on the villa is the place to be :)
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
I always knew we'd sign Rowe in the end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 23, 2021, 10:32:38 PM
Aston Villa sign West Brom talent Triston Rowe

https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/07/23/aston-villa-sign-west-brom-talent-triston-rowe/

How big is our youth team????
Bring it on the villa is the place to be :)

The black slip on shoe brigade are dead chuffed about it:

“Another top prospect highly thought of

Absolute fish eating ******”
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2021, 10:48:35 PM
The black slip on shoe brigade are dead chuffed about it:

“Another top prospect highly thought of

Absolute fish eating ******”

Is that a reference to him being young and named Rowe?
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Post by: astonvilla82 on July 23, 2021, 11:10:21 PM
Watching Edouard the other night I wouldn't bother, he throw his dummy out the pram last season and wasn't very good, type of player we don't want
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2021, 12:00:14 AM
Dan James....dunno, is he actually much cop? We'd pay a British premium on him. Would rather take a punt on the Gary Shaw from Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 24, 2021, 06:47:36 AM
Don't rate James at all. Doesn't create or score enough in that team. I don't think he's particularly liked by their supporters either and if they're willing to offload him after 2 years, obviously not by their management either. Cheap, but there's a good reason I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2021, 08:14:05 AM
Tommy Jordan has called out whispers or whatever the account is called on twitter so I think that source can be filled with the rest of twitter bollocks. Football insider and caught offside being up there with the daily mail as just making up total bullshit for clicks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2021, 08:31:03 AM
The black slip on shoe brigade are dead chuffed about it:

“Another top prospect highly thought of

Absolute fish eating ******”

Is that a reference to him being young and named Rowe?

It’s a reference to us being ‘seals.’ The inbreds.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2021, 08:46:27 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2021, 08:57:14 AM
Apaprently we are poaching Everton for thierry small. A villa fan that wants to come

Apparently, Everton want Nakamba..
That's not a way to win the fans over, Rafa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: geolex on July 24, 2021, 09:05:30 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
:)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.

All players are Born to be Sold
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 24, 2021, 09:16:39 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
Sally James for us even older posters.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 24, 2021, 09:25:17 AM
Sid or Clive would be great options too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on July 24, 2021, 10:03:26 AM
Sid or Clive would be great options too.

Good players but I think they’re both a bit too ‘not alive’ for the system that Dean Smith prefers to use.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 24, 2021, 10:05:39 AM
Tommy Jordan has called out whispers or whatever the account is called on twitter so I think that source can be filled with the rest of twitter bollocks. Football insider and caught offside being up there with the daily mail as just making up total bullshit for clicks.

"Twatter account spews bilious nonsense SHOCKER!"   

Best thing to do is not go on Twatter.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on July 24, 2021, 10:06:23 AM
Sid or Clive would be great options too.
Very little sell on value too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 24, 2021, 10:17:41 AM
Sid or Clive would be great options too.
Very little sell on value too
Although arguably they would contribute more positively than a few signings we've made in the past.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FrankyH on July 24, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
Sally James for us even older posters.

Jasper Carrott  used to say he would scream at his kids to get up Saturday mornings , so he had an excuse to watch the lovely Sally James on Tiswas. The joke being his wife would ask him why he was watching Tiswaz, "because the kids love it"  , his wife would say "they're in bed !!!"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: luke95 on July 24, 2021, 10:26:35 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
She hasn't aged well tbh.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
well she is about 105
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
Out of interest does anyone remember when we did the majority of our summer business last year? Feels fairly slow at the minute - obviously acknowledging the signings of Emi and Ash. That said it doesn’t feel like the other clubs have done a whole lot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
Is the window open until August 31st this season?  I wonder if McNeill is first option, Bailey second, Alvarez third and James a distant loan potential if none of the first choices come off? 

Still no DCM links. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bryan on July 24, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
Cash and Martinez were early if I remember rightly, Watkins A little later.

Barkley was late - he wasn’t signed in time to play in our first two games
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2021, 11:07:55 AM
Is the window open until August 31st this season?  I wonder if McNeill is first option, Bailey second, Alvarez third and James a distant loan potential if none of the first choices come off? 

Still no DCM links. 

I’m hoping Bailey is first option, he looks fantastic and would complement our current forwards beautifully
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2021, 11:09:15 AM
Is the window open until August 31st this season?  I wonder if McNeill is first option, Bailey second, Alvarez third and James a distant loan potential if none of the first choices come off? 

Still no DCM links. 

I’d hope Bailey is first choice.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: not3bad on July 24, 2021, 11:45:35 AM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.

I thought he was born to be sold though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2021, 12:04:59 PM
Maybe they'd want Kalinic in a swap detail? I don't want your money honey, I want your Lovre.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
She hasn't aged well tbh.
I would  prefer Wendy James than Dan James , for the older posters on here.
She hasn't aged well tbh.

Sally it is then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
On most forums it's interesting to see how fast in takes any discussion to trend towards Hitler.

On H&V, it's how fast it takes any thread to reach people lusting after Sally James :)

Let's call it the Tiswas Law rather than Godwin's Law
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Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2021, 01:19:21 PM
Sally it is then.
She certainly has a couple of points in her favour.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
Is the window open until August 31st this season?  I wonder if McNeill is first option, Bailey second, Alvarez third and James a distant loan potential if none of the first choices come off? 

Still no DCM links. 

I’m hoping Bailey is first option, he looks fantastic and would complement our current forwards beautifully

I agree but I wonder whether Dean saying that Brit players adapt better might just nudge the Burnley lad forward.  I hope we do get Bailey though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 24, 2021, 02:22:54 PM
This is a strange one

Aston Villa target move for €10m-rated PSG playmaker

Spanish outlet Fichajes claim that the Villains have now set their sights on Rafinha, a player that Paris Saint-Germain are looking to offload after the marquee signings of Gianluigi Donnarumma, Sergio Ramos, Georginio Wijnaldum and Achraf Hakimi this summer.[/i]


https://www.caughtoffside.com/2021/07/24/aston-villa-target-move-for-e10m-rated-psg-playmaker-after-emile-smith-rowe-transfer-becomes-impossible/


Aston Villa: After failing to sign Emile Smith Rowe, the villains are targeting Rafinha to reinforce their attack. Dean Smith's team wants to continue strengthening their attack



https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/tres-clubes-pelean-fichaje-rafinha-alcantara-20210722.html


At €10m, it's a bargain but his wages would be high.

Do we need him I would be looking for another forward LW/RW and centre half and a DM before another box to box.

But he could make a great No 10

So it's a yes from me
 
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Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
Rafinha...a different one to the chap at Leeds or was he only on-loan there?

Speaking of Leeds, I'm really surprised they let Alioski go/or he didn't sign a new deal. I thought the whole squad were jointly in love with Bielsa and never wanted to leave.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Moonraker on July 24, 2021, 02:29:13 PM
Thierry Small, the Everton left-back who wants to join us (not sure if its gone through yet) is Bryan Smalls nephew. Has great reviews. Seems we are continuing to hoover up the best young talent
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2021, 02:30:09 PM
Rafinha is 28, does that rule him out? I guess if the price is cheap we have nothing to lose.
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Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
Spanish outlet Fichajes claim that the Villains have now set their sights on Rafinha, a player that Paris Saint-Germain are looking to offload after the marquee signings of Gianluigi Donnarumma, Sergio Ramos, Georginio Wijnaldum and Achraf Hakimi this summer.
Rafinha, brother of Liverpool's Thiago, scored no goals last season ... strange, for an attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 24, 2021, 02:40:48 PM
Rafinha...a different one to the chap at Leeds or was he only on-loan there?

Speaking of Leeds, I'm really surprised they let Alioski go/or he didn't sign a new deal. I thought the whole squad were jointly in love with Bielsa and never wanted to leave.

Dipherent one.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2021, 03:31:20 PM
Very clever. Wish it was the one at Leeds, he's brilliant.

The one at PSG seems talented, but pretty injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2021, 03:46:26 PM
Which means we can write it off as we tend to only go for players who don't tend to miss many games these days.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2021, 04:29:18 PM
Watching Stoke. Wesley just got straight Redded… I think we do need someone like Abraham.
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Post by: OCD on July 24, 2021, 04:32:22 PM
Or Alvarez if he can play anywhere along the front positions.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 24, 2021, 04:34:22 PM
Alvarez and Bailey.

That would do it for me.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2021, 04:42:56 PM
Alvarez and Bailey.

That would do it for me.

Me too. Think we get them, you can loan Wes back to Belgium for a season up get fit. AEG can play up front. So can Traore, Bailey and Alvarez.
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Post by: Monty on July 24, 2021, 05:10:04 PM
Watkins, Alvarez with AEG and Barry as emergency backups? Makes sense to me
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Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2021, 05:31:06 PM
I'd loan Barry out to a team that likes to play football and is likely to do well in either the Ch'ship or League One.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 24, 2021, 05:40:19 PM
Lets loan him too Albion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
£25m bid rejected for Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 24, 2021, 05:56:08 PM
Ace. Here We Go!
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Post by: Monty on July 24, 2021, 06:16:18 PM
Ace. Here We Go!

You big Fabrizio fangirl you.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 24, 2021, 06:19:55 PM
Aren't we all? 8)
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2021, 06:54:55 PM
£25m bid rejected for Bailey.

Get him signed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2021, 07:02:24 PM
Up the bid, get it done. He's away with his Country anyway but would be great to see him at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Alvarez and Bailey.

That would do it for me.

Me too. Think we get them, you can loan Wes back to Belgium for a season up get fit. AEG can play up front. So can Traore, Bailey and Alvarez.

Still think we're short of a proper dominant defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
Yep. Winning away to Spurs and home to Chelsea when they needed to qualify for CL was no mean feat in the last couple of games of the season. That was with Nakamba playing well and allowing McGinn to play further up the pitch. That has to be a big nod towards getting someone who can do a similar job but who is more consistent and is better technically. Put someone like Romeu in front of our defence and then with the permutations we could have with the front 4, we'll be too much for many sides this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2021, 07:11:58 PM
Alvarez and Bailey.

That would do it for me.

Me too. Think we get them, you can loan Wes back to Belgium for a season up get fit. AEG can play up front. So can Traore, Bailey and Alvarez.

Still think we're short of a proper dominant defensive midfielder.

Me too.  Been saying it for a while.  I'm not sure it's what Dean wants but I'd like us to be able to win the ball back quickly and be more dominant in midfield.  Emi Martinez is a brilliant keeper but he needs to not to be the third highest shot stopper in the league next season. I don't think we have a naturally defensive midfielder expect for Nakamba and frankly, I don't think he's quite up to it if we want to head for the top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 24, 2021, 07:29:06 PM
Reading through a PSG Forum, they all seem to say Rafinha struggles in the final 3rd and that he's really a Holder. Not sure exactly what a Holder is, presumably Bad English would know.

Holding midfielder? Someone who dribbles more than passes the ball?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2021, 07:41:31 PM
Maybe he's Noddy's long lost son from a dalliance with a Brazilian beauty when Slade headlined a small tent at Rio Carnival in the early 90's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2021, 08:01:17 PM
Reading through a PSG Forum, they all seem to say Rafinha struggles in the final 3rd and that he's really a Holder. Not sure exactly what a Holder is, presumably Bad English would know.

Holding midfielder? Someone who dribbles more than passes the ball?

He'd be another one of our "does everything pretty well but doesn't specialise at anything" crew.

He can dribble. He can pass. He can tackle. He can shoot. But you wouldn't describe any one of them as his main strength. So a bit like Luiz / McGinn / (allegedly) Sanson.

He's basically a slightly worse version of Thiago (formerly of Barcelona / Bayern, now at Liverpool). Who also happens to be his older brother.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robbo1874 on July 25, 2021, 05:49:19 AM
I think we need a stop-gap striker for a season. Get an old head in as back up to Ollie. I’d send Davis on loan and not really sure what to do with Wes. Having nursed him back to contention through his terrible injury it seems a bit short sighted to make rash decisions over him at this stage, but he doesn’t fill many with confidence it seems. If Ollie gets injured, the cupboard seems pretty bare.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2021, 09:40:54 AM
Linked with a keeper from Oxford in one of the rags. Jack Stevens.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 25, 2021, 09:54:36 AM
Still laughing at Spurs bringing in Gollini on loan. Maybe he's improved since our time but I am tempted to let them have an insight into his abilities. Best not. Never kick someone when they're down I say.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2021, 09:56:15 AM
I hope for their sake, he has improved sb!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 25, 2021, 10:03:32 AM
He'd be another one of our "does everything pretty well but doesn't specialise at anything" crew.

He can dribble. He can pass. He can tackle. He can shoot. But you wouldn't describe any one of them as his main strength. So a bit like Luiz / McGinn / (allegedly) Sanson.

He's basically a slightly worse version of Thiago (formerly of Barcelona / Bayern, now at Liverpool). Who also happens to be his older brother.

I look at the cv here and cant help thinking that a player that has got game time at Barcelona and PSG, and is nearly as good as his brother that plays for Liverpool and used to play for Barcelona and Bayern Munich might be able to add something. I do confess that I don't watch much French or Chumps League football so have not seen him play though.

I agree that having a bunch of midfielders that are ok at everything but exceptional at nothing, has been a problem for years. But if you have allrounders that are good enough the lack of specialism becomes less important (Liverpool play this way).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 25, 2021, 10:42:48 AM
I hope for their sake, he has improved sb!!

yeah not wishing him bad luck but a touch of the Taibi's about him. I've always had a soft spot for spurts fans based on their utter self-delusion on their place in the big picture. Naturally Gollini is a world beater who's really worth 35m despite Atlanta generously agreeing a fee of 13m   ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 25, 2021, 10:45:19 AM
Gollini's thing now is that he's good on the ball, but I suspect he'll struggle to command his area in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 25, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
yeah to be fair to him he was only young when he came here and he did rather get unceremoniously shown the door in a hurry.

EDIT: Actually scrap that. I've just come across his rap alter ego Golloruis. No excuse for that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
Always looked ok to me - much better than the guy from Norway, who always looked more suited to fashion modelling than football.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2021, 12:33:28 PM
Always looked ok to me - much better than the guy from Norway, who always looked more suited to fashion modelling than football.
John Carew?! :D
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Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
No, Nyland! Also Roma interested in El Ghazi apparently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 25, 2021, 12:55:37 PM
Selling AEG would be a mistake. He is no world beater but he is solid and has done well for us over three years. He has performed in the premier league for us and, as we have seen in the past, there is  no guarantee that a replacement coming in will be able to perform at this level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 25, 2021, 01:11:10 PM
Selling AEG would be a mistake. He is no world beater but he is solid and has done well for us over three years. He has performed in the premier league for us and, as we have seen in the past, there is  no guarantee that a replacement coming in will be able to perform at this level.

If we were looking to sign a player that had scored the goals he has at this level from elsewhere we would be excited about it. Case of familiarity breeds contempt. AEG is a far better player to have on the bench than the vast majority of teams have, so would only want to sell if it was to bring in someone else demonstrably better and to have even better players becoming bench options as a result. Same with Trez.

That said, if selling AEG gets us Bailey or a player of that quality then fine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
Still laughing at Spurs bringing in Gollini on loan. Maybe he's improved since our time but I am tempted to let them have an insight into his abilities. Best not. Never kick someone when they're down I say.

Gollini made his senior debut for Italy under manager Roberto Mancini as a late substitute for Gianluigi Donnarumma so it's clear he has improved.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 25, 2021, 01:18:06 PM
Still laughing at Spurs bringing in Gollini on loan. Maybe he's improved since our time but I am tempted to let them have an insight into his abilities. Best not. Never kick someone when they're down I say.

Gollini made his senior debut for Italy under manager Roberto Mancini as a late substitute for Gianluigi Donnarumma so it's clear he has improved.

pfft. you could probably name two XI's of awful players in the last 10 years who've won caps for England
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Post by: Monty on July 25, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
Sure, but a goalkeeper for a side consistently in the Champions League, and who's played for the current European Champions. I mean you could definitely name two XIs of really good players from the two Euro finalists' squads.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2021, 01:56:21 PM
Still laughing at Spurs bringing in Gollini on loan. Maybe he's improved since our time but I am tempted to let them have an insight into his abilities. Best not. Never kick someone when they're down I say.

Gollini made his senior debut for Italy under manager Roberto Mancini as a late substitute for Gianluigi Donnarumma so it's clear he has improved.

pfft. you could probably name two XI's of awful players in the last 10 years who've won caps for England

Lol......sickbeggar did you have a bad time on holiday in Italy or did Gollini nick your bike. .....Come on you must love a good underdog or a good redemption story?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 25, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
Maybe but how many caps has the guy at Chelsea or the clown that is keeping him out the side?

Nah Londonvilla I genuinely wish Gollini the best of luck within reason. He hardly was given time to prove anyone wrong at Villa after all. I just think 1 cap doesn't really mean much as far as how good he is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Londonvilla on July 25, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
Maybe but how many caps has the guy at Chelsea or the clown that is keeping him out the side?

Nah Londonvilla I genuinely wish Gollini the best of luck within reason. He hardly was given time to prove anyone wrong at Villa after all. I just think 1 cap doesn't really mean much as far as how good he is.

Fair point time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Gollini has been part of Atalanta's sexy rise in recent years. He's done really well after his tough time at Villa. Judging him on that season when the whole club was a basket-case would be wrong.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 25, 2021, 02:42:53 PM
Gollini has done well at Atalanta.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 25, 2021, 02:43:37 PM
I dont think he played much more than 15 games did he, I think alot of the reputation came purely from the Huddersfield goal.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2021, 02:54:05 PM
there was hardly a good player for Villa in the first half of that season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
I always thought he looked promising. Clearly stuff to iron out, but you expect that in a keeper of his age.
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Post by: brontebilly on July 25, 2021, 07:21:15 PM
I dont think he played much more than 15 games did he, I think alot of the reputation came purely from the Huddersfield goal.

I distinctly remember him bottling a challenge at Leeds that cost us a goal. Think Bruce got Johnstone in very soon afterwards.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
He looked too slight to me. I like a keeper to fill the goal a bit. Emi does that well.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2021, 08:10:01 PM
On the number 10 hunt, Damsgaard looked a very decent player for Denmark in the Euros.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2021, 08:27:07 PM
Gollini has done well at Atalanta.

He has.

Very unfair to judge him on his time here. There are plenty of players who, in those horrendous years, featured in a dreadful Villa team but have gone on to good things.

Embarassingly.
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 25, 2021, 08:40:58 PM
There seemed to be a very unhelpful relationship between Gollini and Elphick. I’ve never known a more fuckup prone defender, and that undermined the youn bloke’s confidence.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2021, 08:52:28 PM
How is Jordan Amavi getting on now? Always liked him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
How is Jordan Amavi getting on now? Always liked him.

Doing a decent job for Marseille. Was linked with a move to Arsenal this summer as his contract was running low, but I think the latest is that he's staying there.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2021, 09:06:41 PM
Signed a new deal there in the end didn't he?
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Post by: Goldie.7 on July 26, 2021, 07:55:57 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxN6y6S1/Webp-net-resizeimage-2.jpg)


Sebastien Haller anyone? 13 goals and 7 assists in 23 appearances for Ajax.









(https://i.postimg.cc/HnB6LHZd/Webp-net-resizeimage-3.png)
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Post by: nigel on July 26, 2021, 08:43:16 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxN6y6S1/Webp-net-resizeimage-2.jpg)


Sebastien Haller anyone? 13 goals and 7 assists in 23 appearances for Ajax.









(https://i.postimg.cc/HnB6LHZd/Webp-net-resizeimage-3.png)

Don’t think his stats while at WHU would encourage premier league suitors

P 52 G 14 A 1
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Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2021, 09:02:36 AM
I always thought he looked a threat at West Ham. Certainly more use than Wesley or Davis!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2021, 09:49:02 AM
He was useless when we drew with them in September 19 as was that donkey they got from Everton or Arsenal, can't remember which. I think they are actualy worse than us when it comes to hosing wads of cash down the drain on strikers.
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Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 10:59:12 AM
Who is Gustavo Cisneros btw?
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Post by: Monty on July 26, 2021, 10:59:34 AM
Who is Gustavo Cisneros btw?

THANK YOU.
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Post by: john e on July 26, 2021, 11:00:47 AM
He was useless when we drew with them in September 19 as was that donkey they got from Everton or Arsenal, can't remember which. I think they are actualy worse than us when it comes to hosing wads of cash down the drain on strikers.

They are definitely in the champions league spots For squandering along with us that’s for sure
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Post by: Exeter 77 on July 26, 2021, 11:02:27 AM
Who is Gustavo Cisneros btw?
A Venezuelan media magnate who was supposed to be buying Villa from Doug in 2004.
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Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 11:10:04 AM
Very loose link to transfers then!
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Post by: Exeter 77 on July 26, 2021, 11:13:13 AM
Very loose link to transfers then!
I think it is because the story of him buying us was complete bollocks.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 26, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Gollini had a flat above my lads in the Jewellery Quarter during his time at the Villa. The joke always was that there would be a crash a couple of times a day as crockery was dropped..
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Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2021, 12:06:24 PM
Come on Villa.  Get on with it.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on July 26, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxN6y6S1/Webp-net-resizeimage-2.jpg)

Sebastien Haller anyone? 13 goals and 7 assists in 23 appearances for Ajax.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HnB6LHZd/Webp-net-resizeimage-3.png)

Don’t think his stats while at WHU would encourage premier league suitors.

P 52 G 14 A 1

Really? I honestly don't know how I could have made that meme more obvious. *Facepalm*
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
I listened to an interview with Leon Bailey last night and he’s certainly looking to move clubs. The interview was ahead of the game with the US, and speaking about his time in Germany he’s ready for the next challenge. So something is definitely happening behind the scenes. Let’s hope it is to us.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 26, 2021, 01:15:30 PM
Daily Star (I know) linking us with Anthony Martial at Man Utd today. But according to them he is being priced out of a move as they want £50m for him.

If we could get him for a more sensible fee, think he might be a decent signing but can't see it happening.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2021, 01:33:40 PM
meanwhile, still persistent rumours of Will Hughes
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Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2021, 01:37:09 PM
meanwhile, still persistent rumours of Will Hughes

Not quite the sexy signing we want, I guess. His stats are very good and he does a lot of dirty work that goes unrewarded and unseen. Smacks a bit of, well, boring. But I don’t suppose we can be pulling in the massive names just yet.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 26, 2021, 01:39:45 PM
Daily Star (I know) linking us with Anthony Martial at Man Utd today. But according to them he is being priced out of a move as they want £50m for him.

If we could get him for a more sensible fee, think he might be a decent signing but can't see it happening.
no thanks
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Post by: Axl Rose on July 26, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
Daily Star (I know) linking us with Anthony Martial at Man Utd today. But according to them he is being priced out of a move as they want £50m for him.

If we could get him for a more sensible fee, think he might be a decent signing but can't see it happening.
no thanks

Agreed. Absolutely rubbish.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
I listened to an interview with Leon Bailey last night and he’s certainly looking to move clubs. The interview was ahead of the game with the US, and speaking about his time in Germany he’s ready for the next challenge. So something is definitely happening behind the scenes. Let’s hope it is to us.

Bloody hope so.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2021, 01:44:30 PM
                    'Dr' Tony Xia

Comer Brother 1   -  Wes Edens  -  Comer Brother 2

           Doug 'Rose Garden' Ellis  -  Randy 'The Shunammite' Lerner

Michael 'Four bed semi' Neville  -  Justice 'The Judge'  Padborn  -  Larry 'The Database'  Ellison  -  Sven's Fake Sheik

   Naseef 'The Cat' Sawiris




I'm so bored, just found myself imagining a side consisting of people who have either owned us or being linked with owning us in the last 15 years.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 26, 2021, 01:47:28 PM
Not strictly Villa related but sort of...any see this snippet on the Beeb Gossip this morning - I recall someone on here saying if he couldn't turn it around to make it here he'd end up at Newcastle.....

Newcastle United may turn to Chelsea and England midfielder Ross Barkley, 27, if they fail to sign his compatriot Joe Willock, 21, from Arsenal. (The Athletic - subscription required)
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Post by: fredm on July 26, 2021, 02:34:15 PM
What about Jesse Lingard? Doesn't look as if WHU are able to find the pounds notes to buy him. Can play out wide or through the middle or behind the main striker.
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Post by: Matt C on July 26, 2021, 02:34:35 PM
Surely the most inevitable of all predictable transfers is for Barkley to wind up at Newcastle.
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Post by: oldtimernow on July 26, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
Surely the most inevitable of all predictable transfers is for Barkley to wind up at Newcastle.

Happier if he went to WHU
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Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
What about Jesse Lingard? Doesn't look as if WHU are able to find the pounds notes to buy him. Can play out wide or through the middle or behind the main striker.

Solksjaer has said Lingard is a part of his plans, which probably explains why it's not been simple for West Ham.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 26, 2021, 02:42:47 PM
What about Jesse Lingard? Doesn't look as if WHU are able to find the pounds notes to buy him. Can play out wide or through the middle or behind the main striker.
Lingard looked superb at West Ham.  But I'd be slightly uncomfortable paying £30m+ for a player who looked like a busted flush half a season ago.  I think I'd want to see if he can carry on that form before getting involved.  Also, I'd struggle to get on with the tongue sticky out thing.  Want to punch him in the face every time I see it.
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Post by: steamer on July 26, 2021, 02:46:56 PM
Daily Star (I know) linking us with Anthony Martial at Man Utd today. But according to them he is being priced out of a move as they want £50m for him.

If we could get him for a more sensible fee, think he might be a decent signing but can't see it happening.
no thanks

Agreed. Absolutely rubbish.
More agreement from me
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 02:57:06 PM
We may see more on the Bailey front now that Jamaica are out of the Concacaf Gold Cup.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2021, 03:17:11 PM
Some on the Norwich side are saying we are in “advanced talks” over Cantwell. A Jack “light” type of player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 26, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
What about Jesse Lingard? Doesn't look as if WHU are able to find the pounds notes to buy him. Can play out wide or through the middle or behind the main striker.
Lingard looked superb at West Ham.  But I'd be slightly uncomfortable paying £30m+ for a player who looked like a busted flush half a season ago.  I think I'd want to see if he can carry on that form before getting involved.  Also, I'd struggle to get on with the tongue sticky out thing.  Want to punch him in the face every time I see it.
What did Lingard do in the last 4 or 5 games?
Seemed to fade pretty badly after his initial impact.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 26, 2021, 04:43:43 PM
If we see 2 of Cantwell/Bailey/Alvarez it'll be the long walk for AEG, who is reaching a point in his career where he probably doesn't want to be playing second fiddle, let alone third...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gerrin on July 26, 2021, 04:57:13 PM
If we see 2 of Cantwell/Bailey/Alvarez it'll be the long walk for AEG, who is reaching a point in his career where he probably doesn't want to be playing second fiddle, let alone third...

I agree, he'll always be held in high regard by Villa fans, but he's not good enough for where we want to be. Far tomorrow shots off target, that's all he seems to want to do. Never seems to look for a pass around the penalty area.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
Cantwell instead of Jack...God, please no.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 26, 2021, 05:07:31 PM
Todd, seriously?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
Cantwell is much more a 10 than Jack. Bailey plays all across the front. Them, with Jack, yes please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2021, 05:39:29 PM
Ozz, you want a Champs League quality/size-squad when we're not in Europe and Dean isn't great for rotating !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2021, 05:52:45 PM
I want the moon on a stick Eamonn, you know that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 26, 2021, 05:53:49 PM
If we sold Grealish and stuck Cantwell there as the new messiah, god help the poor sod.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 26, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
Todd, seriously?

On the screen when they go through the starting 11 they should just play the "woah ... it's Todd" from Beavis and Butthead.

https://youtu.be/DA3iAUIZQ7M
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
I want the moon on a stick Eamonn, you know that.

You deserve it. Working hard and rearing kids for too long now!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Cantwell originating from click bait nonsense.
 Ignore.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 26, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on July 26, 2021, 07:56:56 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/Azaz-joins-Villa-and-seals-Newport-loan/

Finn Azaz - signed and loaned out immediately.

Does anybody know anything about him?


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2021, 07:58:25 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/Azaz-joins-Villa-and-seals-Newport-loan/

Finn Azaz - signed and loaned out immediately.

Does anybody know anything about him?

@Rotterdam
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 26, 2021, 08:24:36 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
we should be able to get about £24 for those lot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 26, 2021, 08:39:35 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
we should be able to get about £24 for those lot.

AEG would fetch at least £15m probably more, he scored a lot of goals last season and is unplayable when on song. Yes thats only 1 in 4, but if it were 3 in 4 he'd fetch £60m.

Davis would fetch at least £5m, maybe as much as £8m.

So even though we would have to pay most of Wesleys wages to get him out the door on a free, we would still bank >£30m from the three which would be a handsome profit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on July 26, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
we should be able to get about £24 for those lot.

AEG would fetch at least £15m probably more, he scored a lot of goals last season and is unplayable when on song. Yes thats only 1 in 4, but if it were 3 in 4 he'd fetch £60m.

Davis would fetch at least £5m, maybe as much as £8m.

So even though we would have to pay most of Wesleys wages to get him out the door on a free, we would still bank >£30m from the three which would be a handsome profit.

Not that I’d be looking to offload, but I’d certainly be looking in the region of £20m+ for AEG, as I think he can still off something in the Prem.
I think I’d keep hold of KD and see how his loan at Stoke goes (if it’s still going ahead)
I think I’d look to cash in on Wesley, though. Maybe try to loan out to a top half Championship or lower Prem team with option to buy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rotterdam on July 26, 2021, 09:05:47 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/Azaz-joins-Villa-and-seals-Newport-loan/

Finn Azaz - signed and loaned out immediately.

Does anybody know anything about him?

@Rotterdam

Finn is AM and was at Cheltenham last season. I’ve heard they (CT) felt League One was about his level. His contract had surprisingly expired. I’m not surprised he’s been loaned, I’m not sure he would have got much U23 time...an interesting one.
Nice lad, held in high regard and liked by all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 09:07:53 PM
We must have a different opinion, otherwise what would be the point?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2021, 09:09:33 PM
Maybe Chelsea style money making. Has a couple of decent seasons out on loan and develops a bit later, make a few million?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on July 26, 2021, 09:12:51 PM
 :
(https://i.ibb.co/SsCCtBX/20210726-211108.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsCCtBX)


Anyone speak German 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 09:13:17 PM
Would still prove to be better than a League One player in that scenario.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 26, 2021, 09:16:53 PM
:
(https://i.ibb.co/SsCCtBX/20210726-211108.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsCCtBX)


Anyone speak German 😂

Nope. But that looks like it’s on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
:
(https://i.ibb.co/SsCCtBX/20210726-211108.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsCCtBX)


Anyone speak German 😂

Google translate says, (excuse the capitals)
LEON BAILEY SHOULD LEAVE BAYER 04 LEVERKUSEN AFTER SKY INFOS. WERKSELF RECEIVED AN OFFER FROM ASTON VILLA.

LEVERKUSEN WOULD ALSO PUT THE 23-YEAR-OLD, ACCORDING TO SKY EXPERT MAX BIELEFELD: "THERE IS THE OPINION THAT BOTH SIDES ARE PROBABLY BETTER TO SEPARATE."

BAILEY CURRENTLY HAS A CONTRACT UNTIL 2023.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Ze German Sky Sports saying Bailey is off to us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2021, 09:35:32 PM
Ze German Sky Sports saying Bailey is off to us.

Let's hope they are right. Bailey, Grealish, Buendia and Traore all in one team.  Scary prospect.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
Watkins

Suuuuuuupah Jack
Emi
Bailey

That's about as tasty as absolutely anything in the league on its day.

Get JWP in to take the 900 free kicks they'll all win and we're on for a title charge in the 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2021, 09:41:02 PM
Aren’t Sky Germany even less reliable than the UK lot?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on July 26, 2021, 09:41:34 PM
Watkins

Suuuuuuupah Jack
Emi
Bailey

That's about as tasty as absolutely anything in the league on its day.

Get JWP in to take the 900 free kicks they'll all win and we're on for a title charge in the 2nd half of the season.

That’s a mouth watering front 4

Exciting times
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2021, 09:49:10 PM
Aren’t Sky Germany even less reliable than the UK lot?

The Sky Germans weren't very good at supplying the 6th Army so you could be right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on July 26, 2021, 09:53:02 PM
:
(https://i.ibb.co/SsCCtBX/20210726-211108.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsCCtBX)


Anyone speak German 😂

Google translate says, (excuse the capitals)
LEON BAILEY SHOULD LEAVE BAYER 04 LEVERKUSEN AFTER SKY INFOS. WERKSELF RECEIVED AN OFFER FROM ASTON VILLA.

LEVERKUSEN WOULD ALSO PUT THE 23-YEAR-OLD, ACCORDING TO SKY EXPERT MAX BIELEFELD: "THERE IS THE OPINION THAT BOTH SIDES ARE PROBABLY BETTER TO SEPARATE."

BAILEY CURRENTLY HAS A CONTRACT UNTIL 2023.

Thanks ! Sounds promising 😁
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2021, 09:55:06 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
we should be able to get about £24 for those lot.

AEG would fetch at least £15m probably more, he scored a lot of goals last season and is unplayable when on song. Yes thats only 1 in 4, but if it were 3 in 4 he'd fetch £60m.

Davis would fetch at least £5m, maybe as much as £8m.

So even though we would have to pay most of Wesleys wages to get him out the door on a free, we would still bank >£30m from the three which would be a handsome profit.

Not that I’d be looking to offload, but I’d certainly be looking in the region of £20m+ for AEG, as I think he can still off something in the Prem.
I think I’d keep hold of KD and see how his loan at Stoke goes (if it’s still going ahead)
I think I’d look to cash in on Wesley, though. Maybe try to loan out to a top half Championship or lower Prem team with option to buy.

Just to be clear by 'out' I mean transfer or loan, KD going out for the season covers one of the 2 so it'd just be letting AEG go as well, either on loan or a sale.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2021, 10:01:41 PM
Unless it's a swap, I'd be keeping AEG as we need a squad.  We are often critical of the lack of rotation with Dean but he arguably didn't have a lot to select last season outside the main 12 or 13 players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2021, 10:36:31 PM
Jack's not going even if Cantwell, Bailey and Alvarez come in, its AEG out the door first.

Yep, for me that would mean AEG and Davis/Wesley out and might mean there's not much space for Trez when he's fit.
we should be able to get about £24 for those lot.

AEG would fetch at least £15m probably more, he scored a lot of goals last season and is unplayable when on song.

Was gonna say, what's AEG done to deserve that kind of comment?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 26, 2021, 11:00:31 PM
FWIW, might just be picking up on the Sky report. https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1419763669626392576
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 11:17:18 PM
If they want 35m Euro's, we can't be that far apart. Get it done and move on to any other targets.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on July 27, 2021, 12:55:14 AM
Ze German Sky Sports saying Bailey is off to us.

Let's hope they are right. Bailey, Grealish, Buendia and Traore all in one team.  Scary prospect.

Get in JWP as a DM to punch in 30 goals from the free kicks those 4 would win, and I'd call that a pretty good summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2021, 02:36:10 AM
Now Jamaica are out of the Gold Cup I guess this one could gather pace, hopefully in a B6 direction.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 27, 2021, 06:49:39 AM
Bailey would be very very nice. ;) Potentially a tier 1 signing imo
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 27, 2021, 07:37:30 AM
Ahh, but from the Beeb gossip

Aston Villa's bid to sign Bayer Leverkusen's Jamaican winger Leon Bailey has been complicated by Leicester, Everton, Wolves and Southampton showing an interest in the 23-year-old, who could be available for £30m. (90min)

Maybe this summer's Rashica?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 27, 2021, 08:05:59 AM
Ahh, but from the Beeb gossip

Aston Villa's bid to sign Bayer Leverkusen's Jamaican winger Leon Bailey has been complicated by Leicester, Everton, Wolves and Southampton showing an interest in the 23-year-old, who could be available for £30m. (90min)

Maybe this summer's Rashica?

Completely different level from Rashica. If you're going for the likes of Bailey then if we have any pretensions to move up a level then we should see off those clubs. Leicester are obviously the big threat but financially/potentially we should be able to make a better case
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 27, 2021, 08:17:14 AM
Ahh, but from the Beeb gossip

Aston Villa's bid to sign Bayer Leverkusen's Jamaican winger Leon Bailey has been complicated by Leicester, Everton, Wolves and Southampton showing an interest in the 23-year-old, who could be available for £30m. (90min)

Maybe this summer's Rashica?

I think Julian Alvarez is this season's Rashica/Benni McCarthy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2021, 08:48:26 AM
I think they all are - nobody actually knows anything. We play are cards very close nowadays.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2021, 08:50:21 AM
Ahh, but from the Beeb gossip

Aston Villa's bid to sign Bayer Leverkusen's Jamaican winger Leon Bailey has been complicated by Leicester, Everton, Wolves and Southampton showing an interest in the 23-year-old, who could be available for £30m. (90min)

Maybe this summer's Rashica?

I think Julian Alvarez is this season's Rashica/Benni McCarthy

Both would be nice lol
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2021, 09:59:24 AM
Maybe not Benni, he's only 43 now but always struck me as an ex-pro who would embrace middle-age spread.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
We been linked with Robbie Keane yet?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on July 27, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
We been linked with Robbie Keane yet?

No, but Steve Bull is definite. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 27, 2021, 10:48:39 AM
Waiting for my brother to enquire whether we were successful in purchasing Steve Bloomer from Derby
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2021, 10:57:57 AM
We been linked with Robbie Keane yet?

No, but Steve Bull is definite. Watch this space.
I don’t remember those links. I only started going down VP in 94.

Were the links with Bull every summer?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2021, 11:01:13 AM
We been linked with Robbie Keane yet?

No, but Steve Bull is definite. Watch this space.
I don’t remember those links. I only started going down VP in 94.

Were the links with Bull every summer?

Yes. Now (with Jack) we possibly know how they felt every year. (It’s all relative admittedly).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 27, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
We'd apparently signed Bull every summer, but agreed not to announce it until the last minute so it didn't affect the dogheads' season ticket sales. Probably late enough to announce it now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 27, 2021, 11:12:18 AM
Aren’t Sky Germany even less reliable than the UK lot?

The Sky Germans weren't very good at supplying the 6th Army so you could be right.

But made a right mess of Coventry :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on July 27, 2021, 11:13:56 AM
We'd apparently signed Bull every summer, but agreed not to announce it until the last minute so it didn't affect the dogheads' season ticket sales. Probably late enough to announce it now.

Exactly this. ⬆️
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
Did any Villa manager actually press Doug to sign him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 27, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
Did any Villa manager actually press Doug to sign him?

I seem to remeber reading that when we did enquire and were told his wages, we quickly looked elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
Did any Villa manager actually press Doug to sign him?
the deal fell through when Doug refused to pay for a translator.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on July 27, 2021, 11:39:09 AM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2021, 11:46:16 AM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?


Not a chance. He's an injury prone central defender who isn't as good as the defenders we already have, and probably wouldn't be as good as either McGinn or Luiz. If we buy a defensive midfielder I want a proper top notch one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2021, 11:46:34 AM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?

That it would make more sense to buy a defensive midfielder to play there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?

Not for me.  Don't see him being any better than Marv.  If we get another DM it would need to be someone from the top drawer for me. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 27, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
Poor guy was being linked with Newcastle today.  Not sure we should go after a player who's had his confidence shattered to that extent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2021, 11:56:06 AM
I would hope McKenzie and Lange have their eyes on the next Kante or Ndidi, not converting a centre half to play there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on July 27, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?


Not a chance. He's an injury prone central defender who isn't as good as the defenders we already have, and probably wouldn't be as good as either McGinn or Luiz. If we buy a defensive midfielder I want a proper top notch one.
I got the impression that we're not likely to be in the market of buying players and randomly converting them to a different position.  I'm not convinced we'll get a defensive midfielder at all, but if we do I'd expect it to be someone like James Ward-Prowse ... someone who's going to contribute to our attacking capabilities as well. 

I mean, from the Holy Trinity video posted a bit back (thanks to whoever dug that up, it was great) and also seeing us buying players like Buendia and Young, it feels more like we're going for attacking players who are going to be pretty good at defending, and defensive players who add a bit of a goal threat.  I'm not sure Tuanzebe as DM would do either of those things.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kipeye on July 27, 2021, 12:52:24 PM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?

Having seen Bogarde recently, no. he may be very young and lacking experience, but looks like he is an unusually capable and confident teenager. Hope he gets a cup game this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 27, 2021, 01:06:16 PM
I would take Tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2021, 01:37:14 PM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?
Not a chance. He's an injury prone central defender who isn't as good as the defenders we already have, and probably wouldn't be as good as either McGinn or Luiz. If we buy a defensive midfielder I want a proper top notch one.
I got the impression that we're not likely to be in the market of buying players and randomly converting them to a different position.  I'm not convinced we'll get a defensive midfielder at all, but if we do I'd expect it to be someone like James Ward-Prowse ... someone who's going to contribute to our attacking capabilities as well ... it feels more like we're going for attacking players who are going to be pretty good at defending, and defensive players who add a bit of a goal threat.  I'm not sure Tuanzebe as DM would do either of those things.
I think you've nailed the logic, algy.
Tuanzebe's chance went when he returned to the N-W (ironically, this prompted us to bring in Konsa; a fine acquisition). Now we have several young CB's who are slowly pushing their way into the first team squad as well.


Here's a different question: has Dougie ever played / filled in as a CB in his short career? - is he a short-term solution if we needed it?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
Dougie? well his defending and tackling is pretty shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Border villan on July 27, 2021, 02:12:28 PM
Dougie? well his defending and tackling is pretty shit.

Never did Micah any harm.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
Dougie? well his defending and tackling is pretty shit.

Never did Micah any harm.
But can he laugh at his own childish jokes?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on July 27, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
Dougie? well his defending and tackling is pretty shit.

Never did Micah any harm.

Douggie doesn’t have a big booming laugh to help with morale around the club either. So it’s a no from me too!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2021, 02:34:11 PM
I would take Tuanzebe.

As CB and RB cover maybe.  Not as a defensive midfielder though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on July 27, 2021, 04:09:13 PM
I would take Tuanzebe.

As CB and RB cover maybe.  Not as a defensive midfielder though.

Totally agree with you Tom.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 27, 2021, 06:45:24 PM
Villamole has been suspended from twitter. Does anyone know what he did??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
Villamole has been suspended from twitter. Does anyone know what he did??

Showed his penis?
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Post by: dave shelley on July 27, 2021, 07:09:43 PM
Villamole has been suspended from twitter. Does anyone know what he did??

One too many molehills on the CEO's lawn.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 27, 2021, 07:16:10 PM
Villamole has been suspended from twitter. Does anyone know what he did??

Showed his penis?

I was reading a row he was having about grealish to city and I refreshed and he was gone lol
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 27, 2021, 07:55:26 PM
Villamole has been suspended from twitter. Does anyone know what he did??



👀
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Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2021, 08:05:16 PM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?

Having seen Bogarde recently, no. he may be very young and lacking experience, but looks like he is an unusually capable and confident teenager. Hope he gets a cup game this season.

I agree, I’ve already seen enough to think he’s a much better player than AT
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Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2021, 08:33:32 PM
Thoughts on Axel Tuanzebe as a Defensive midfielder?

Having seen Bogarde recently, no. he may be very young and lacking experience, but looks like he is an unusually capable and confident teenager. Hope he gets a cup game this season.

I agree, I’ve already seen enough to think he’s a much better player than AT

I'm not sure I'd go that far but I do think he could be very good in a couple of years. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to rely on him as 4th choice though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 28, 2021, 09:12:42 AM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1420292179331801091?s=21

Seems to confirm we definitely want him
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 28, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Yep, sounds like he's coming. 5m difference between the clubs is nothing in football.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 28, 2021, 10:19:54 AM
Ward-Prowse misses Southampton pre-season match.
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Post by: Monty on July 28, 2021, 10:20:59 AM
Saw that, very clickbaity. Seems Ward-Prowse has a knock and will play in their next friendly.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2021, 11:19:11 AM
Yep, sounds like he's coming. 5m difference between the clubs is nothing in football.


30M and Kienan   .. Get it done
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 28, 2021, 11:30:51 AM
Yep, sounds like he's coming. 5m difference between the clubs is nothing in football.


30M and Kienan   .. Get it done

£40m and Wesley
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Post by: in exile on July 28, 2021, 11:37:31 AM
Yep, sounds like he's coming. 5m difference between the clubs is nothing in football.


30M and Kienan   .. Get it done

£40m and Wesley
I'll get the car started.
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 11:45:40 AM
Not sure how panning our own players helps us.
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Post by: in exile on July 28, 2021, 11:49:19 AM
Not sure how panning our own players helps us.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.
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Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
Yoko?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 28, 2021, 12:19:46 PM
Not sure how panning our own players helps us.

Wouldn't be much of a forum if we just pretended all our players were amazing, and never criticised any of them. Wesley deserves a bit of stick this week after his performance in the friendly. I hope he proves the doubters wrong like Targett did last season, but until that happens I will continue to hope we get rid and sign someone better.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 28, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
These Will Hughes rumours aren't going away. I remember him being very highly rated as a youngster at Derby, but seems a bit of a meh target now. Not watched much of Watford, how has he been for them?
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 12:33:36 PM
Not sure how panning our own players helps us.

Wouldn't be much of a forum if we just pretended all our players were amazing, and never criticised any of them. Wesley deserves a bit of stick this week after his performance in the friendly. I hope he proves the doubters wrong like Targett did last season, but until that happens I will continue to hope we get rid and sign someone better.

Yeah, he does deserve the criticism for being stupid and wasting an opportunity to get some game time. It's more the comments suggesting that it would be worth paying £5/10m to get a player off the books that aren't as funny as some make them out to be.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2021, 01:08:59 PM
So where did you stand on the Ross Mac/ Mica debate? As to Will Hughes I think he's a very solid player who could certainly do a job for us. Saw him play against us a couple of times in the Chumps and he was the best player on the field.
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 01:29:28 PM
There's a difference between players who haven't been a problem but who it just hasn't worked out for and players who only came for the money and had no real interest in being a success or not. The latter deserve all they get.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on July 28, 2021, 02:30:16 PM
These Will Hughes rumours aren't going away. I remember him being very highly rated as a youngster at Derby, but seems a bit of a meh target now. Not watched much of Watford, how has he been for them?

Poor imo, but I'm probably biased as I've always felt he was overrated.  I don't think he made the Watford team regularly last season did he?  Not for me, no improvement on what we have.

Just checked last season's stats for him: played 31, nine as sub, 2 goals no assists.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1420292179331801091?s=21

Seems to confirm we definitely want him
the only real doubt here is if Bailey gets a better offer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
He was linked on here in the annals of H&V during the decade of despair (2010-2019). And he his bleached blonde hair does not go well with his pink skin.  So I'm not overly keen on his signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 28, 2021, 02:39:41 PM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1420292179331801091?s=21

Seems to confirm we definitely want him
the only real doubt here is if Bailey gets a better offer.


Sir that does not exist , blasphemy 
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2021, 02:48:09 PM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1420292179331801091?s=21

Seems to confirm we definitely want him
the only real doubt here is if Bailey gets a better offer.


Sir that does not exist , blasphemy
… Wolves are interested 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Astral Weeks on July 28, 2021, 03:15:46 PM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1420292179331801091?s=21

Seems to confirm we definitely want him
the only real doubt here is if Bailey gets a better offer.
He won't.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 28, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
We are going to make him an offer he can’t refuse
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 28, 2021, 05:05:45 PM
I think we're on a better trajectory than the other interested clubs. Southampton seriously? Everton lost their excellent manager, Leicester have peaked despite their recent consistency.

Stand aside, Villa coming through!

Edit. Forgot Wolves. Oops.

Utv.

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Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
Leicester are a really well run side on the up. Keeping Vardy was huge for them, and other top players have joined. Tielemans level signings are where we need to aspire to now.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2021, 05:20:20 PM
Yes, Leicester are the ones that worry me, but they've also been mentioned the least in terms of going for him.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 28, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
I agree Leicester are well run. I just think they've peaked for now and we're a better bet.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
The internet....

Leon Bailey on his way to Villa "yes can't believe it, knew it would happen"!

Jack Grealish on his way to Man City "Bullshite, no way, twitter full of crap full clickbait knobbers"!
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 28, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
The internet....

Leon Bailey on his way to Villa "yes can't believe it, knew it would happen"!

Jack Grealish on his way to Man City "Bullshite, no way, twitter full of crap full clickbait knobbers"!

Ha ha  ;D
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Post by: malckennedy on July 28, 2021, 06:06:17 PM
The internet....

Leon Bailey on his way to Villa "yes can't believe it, knew it would happen"!

Jack Grealish on his way to Man City "Bullshite, no way, twitter full of crap full clickbait knobbers"!

The difference is that Bailey’s club are open to or even encouraging of a sale, while Grealish’s club don’t want to sell. Quite a clear distinction  really.
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Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2021, 06:14:18 PM
The internet....

Leon Bailey on his way to Villa "yes can't believe it, knew it would happen"!

Jack Grealish on his way to Man City "Bullshite, no way, twitter full of crap full clickbait knobbers"!

The difference is that Bailey’s club are open to or even encouraging of a sale, while Grealish’s club don’t want to sell. Quite a clear distinction  really.

...and Baileys step dad has confirmed we've made an offer and are in talks with the club.

With Grealish there's no evidence that the clubs have spoken or that he is interested in a transfer. a huge amount of the speculation comes down to either us having no power and letting him go for pretty much whatever Man City decide to offer or Jack being so desperate to leave that he's willing to burn all his bridges to force it through. Neither of those seems realistic if you know anything about our owners or his and his family.

He might still leave but it won't be with some low-ball offer where we get forced to take it because we won't keep an unhappy player, that so many of the 'sources' don't understand that is why I don't believe any of it. I can accept his agent has spoken to people at Man City about what wages he'd need and what assurances over game time, etc he'd get but I think that's the limit of it.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2021, 06:23:34 PM
Bailey, Buendia, Traore and Grealish is a bloody scary group to go behind Watkins. I do think it still lacks a late arriving goal scoring midfielder though. Soucek style at West Ham where we want to be a bit more solid through the middle.
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Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2021, 06:30:27 PM
McGinn
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 06:49:11 PM
Rice does the defensive work that allows Soucek to break forward. Get the right defensive midfielder and McGinn can play that role more.
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Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
McGinn

Sanson, Luiz and JJ...we're not in Europe so we're not gonna be greedy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2021, 07:01:51 PM
Who's the right defensive midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sdwbvf on July 28, 2021, 07:09:03 PM
Rice?
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Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2021, 07:37:50 PM
Who's the right defensive midfielder?

That's the important question. There's 4-5 I rate (and Pape Sarr who I'd never heard of but who looks like exactly what we want). The problem is that I'm not sure the club are particularly looking for one.

Koopmeiners would be my first choice now that Engels has left because he's played centre back as much as DM (he's also a superb penalty taker and very good free kick taker). He's been linked with Leeds and Arsenal so is definitely one that we could get if we want to.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 28, 2021, 08:15:35 PM
Seb Revan to Grimsby on loan for the season.  Good news for me, we have lacked in our attitude towards loans, and I feel this had negatively impacted our youth development.  Good luck Seb!
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Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2021, 08:22:13 PM
Seb Revan to Grimsby on loan for the season.  Good news for me, we have lacked in our attitude towards loans, and I feel this had negatively impacted our youth development.  Good luck Seb!
Agree - think it can only be a good thing
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Seb Revan to Grimsby on loan for the season.  Good news for me, we have lacked in our attitude towards loans, and I feel this had negatively impacted our youth development.  Good luck Seb!

Indeed. That's Revan the Younger, I think he's only 17.
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 09:08:50 PM
Defensive midfielder - the next Kante/Nididi. Nakamba has shown the defensive nous at times but has proven to be inconsistent and he's not good enough technically. His questionable passing skills led to a goal towards the end of the season, think it was away at Spurs. Luiz was excellent after the first lockdown and again at the start of last season but didn't look the same player after a point in the season. He looked great away at West Ham but I don't remember him doing much after that.

It's pretty clear that the clubs are going to get players out on loan to help with their development. Hopefully some of them will come back and be ready to break into the first team, or at least have market value.
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Post by: Ads on July 28, 2021, 09:21:57 PM
I'm sure I read that Nakamba has some of the best defensive stats in the league.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 28, 2021, 09:26:33 PM
I'm sure I read that Nakamba has some of the best defensive stats in the league.

He does, he is a good player. Gueye had similar stats, went to Everton and ended up at PSG! Think we should keep him, play Luiz higher up the pitch and get someone younger in too like Pape Sar who seems to be the type of player we need and could compete with Nakamba.
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Post by: OCD on July 28, 2021, 09:36:05 PM
We've got a balancing act of making ourselves more competitive but also not making signings that block the pathways of players we think have a real chance of breaking through. This might be one of those cases. Bogarde, Raikhy or Lindley could develop into the player for that position but if we spent big money on a 22/23 year old, those kids would probably end up leaving to find first team football. 
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Post by: Ads on July 28, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
Think with a potential front 4 of Watkins, Grealish, Emi and Bailey, we'd spend a good chunk of time in the attacking third of the pitch, which would aid the defensive side of things further.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 28, 2021, 10:30:03 PM
I'm sure I read that Nakamba has some of the best defensive stats in the league.

I think he was somewhere around 5th or 6th. From memory.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 28, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
Keep Jack and add Bailey and Buendia to the mix and we will make and score a lot of chances next season.

We already have one of the best defensive units going, and have better back up at fullback now too.

The main weakness then is the middle of the park, where we are still quite lightweight with the exception of Nakamba. Would like to see a more combative midfielder come in. That and the lack of cover for Ollie, but could be that Traore does that for us.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2021, 11:23:32 PM
Alvarez looked a good fit as cover for Ollie to be fair at a decent price.

Berge in midfield was heavily linked before the season ended, wonder if he's still on our radar.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2021, 12:08:54 AM
I'm sure I read that Nakamba has some of the best defensive stats in the league.

He's such a confusing player.

He clearly can do it - I have seen him sometimes look absolutely immaculate, just doing his job effectively, not putting a foot wrong. But I've also seen him look like me trying to play.

AEG is another one. We've quite a few players who are capable of putting in really good quality performances but also absolute stinkers.

The trick is to not find ourselves overly reliant on them and to work on them in the background to improve them.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 29, 2021, 07:01:20 AM
I think Luiz and to a lesser extent McGinn sit in that category too, which then poses a problem if your midfield doesn't contain a solid 8/10 every week and 7 when they have a bad day type. We have seen the influence a Fernandinho, Kante type can have. I really think that is the big gap to fill in our side to push us on. With or without Jack.
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Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2021, 10:41:48 AM
Looks as though we are just about there with Bailey.
https://m.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/stiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bildMobile.html###wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Ffussball%2Fstiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bild.html&wt_t=1627551594424
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 29, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
Looks as though we are just about there with Bailey.
https://m.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/stiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bildMobile.html###wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Ffussball%2Fstiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bild.html&wt_t=1627551594424
I hope so.  And I hope the prospect of playing with him excites Jack.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2021, 10:55:04 AM
Looks as though we are just about there with Bailey.
https://m.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/stiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bildMobile.html###wt_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bild.de%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Ffussball%2Fstiefvater-bestaetigt-verhandlungen-bailey-wechsel-es-geht-nur-noch-um-die-abloe-77210442.bild.html&wt_t=1627551594424

I hope so, but Bild is probably less reliable than The S**.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2021, 10:59:04 AM
What does it say? For some reason my stupid phone won't translate it.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
Bloody hell. A load of arsing about copying and pasting into google translate and it’s the same story as yesterday. Pfft.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 29, 2021, 11:19:30 AM
I think Luiz and to a lesser extent McGinn sit in that category too, which then poses a problem if your midfield doesn't contain a solid 8/10 every week and 7 when they have a bad day type. We have seen the influence a Fernandinho, Kante type can have. I really think that is the big gap to fill in our side to push us on. With or without Jack.

Surprised no speculation about Anguissa at Fulham, good player and the sort we need.
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Post by: fredm on July 29, 2021, 11:44:15 AM
I think both Luiz and McGinn are better than just being defensive midfielders.  Both like to, and are good at, breaking forward and assisting the main striker.  I think we need someone who is quite happy to sit in there, break things up and let these bomb on forward when they want to with them knowing they have cover behind.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 29, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
I think Luiz and to a lesser extent McGinn sit in that category too, which then poses a problem if your midfield doesn't contain a solid 8/10 every week and 7 when they have a bad day type. We have seen the influence a Fernandinho, Kante type can have. I really think that is the big gap to fill in our side to push us on. With or without Jack.

Surprised no speculation about Anguissa at Fulham, good player and the sort we need.


I must admit I don't know much about Anguissa despite him playing in the Premier League.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 29, 2021, 12:02:53 PM
Just the same that has been reported here.  There's Premier interest, principally Villa but there are more than one interested party, he is likely to leave this summer.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2021, 12:14:22 PM
Who's the right defensive midfielder?

For where we are now and the short-term aim of where we want to get to in the next couple of years, I wouldn't rule out bringing in a more experienced defensive midfielder.  Personally think someone like Thomas Delaney would be a good fit, as he has plenty of top level and international experience and looks like he may be on the move from Dortmund.  Someone like that is what we need for the next couple of seasons.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2021, 01:48:59 PM
I think Luiz and to a lesser extent McGinn sit in that category too, which then poses a problem if your midfield doesn't contain a solid 8/10 every week and 7 when they have a bad day type. We have seen the influence a Fernandinho, Kante type can have. I really think that is the big gap to fill in our side to push us on. With or without Jack.

Will be really interested what our central midfield line up looks like at Watford? Luiz won't feature due to Olympics and has Sanson even played in pre season yet, really got the forgotten man look about him already. Guess it will just be McGinn, Nakamba and perhaps Buendia if we get Bailey done in time.
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Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
JJ off the bench for Nakamba on 68 mins, give us more movement on the counter with us 1-0 up. (Debut winner from Will Hughes against the club he's just left)
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Post by: algy on July 29, 2021, 02:53:45 PM
I think Luiz and to a lesser extent McGinn sit in that category too, which then poses a problem if your midfield doesn't contain a solid 8/10 every week and 7 when they have a bad day type. We have seen the influence a Fernandinho, Kante type can have. I really think that is the big gap to fill in our side to push us on. With or without Jack.

Will be really interested what our central midfield line up looks like at Watford? Luiz won't feature due to Olympics and has Sanson even played in pre season yet, really got the forgotten man look about him already. Guess it will just be McGinn, Nakamba and perhaps Buendia if we get Bailey done in time.
I reckon it'll be something like:

Watkins
Grealish - Buendia - Traore
McGinn - Nakamba
Targett - Mings - Konsa - Cash
Martinez

With Young, Sanson & Ramsey on the bench - along with any other new signings.  Too close to the start of the season to start them now IMO.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2021, 03:05:13 PM
Have any particularly credible sources suggested Bailey is likely?
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Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
no
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Post by: Ger Regan on July 29, 2021, 04:26:00 PM
Except for his stepdad saying we're trying for him.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
Percy did say we're interested in him
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
Have any particularly credible sources suggested Bailey is likely?
Me.

You're welcome.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 29, 2021, 06:28:54 PM
If Doug were still in charge we would not be expecting another signing as he'd trumpet every offer from the rooftops.  These guys do there work in a much more respectful manner, even if the silence is unnerving I'm super confident that behind closed doors everything possible is being done...*gulp*
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Post by: Ads on July 29, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Enquired about Tuanzebe on loan.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2021, 07:34:13 PM
Enquired about Tuanzebe on loan.
we need a fourth choice centre back.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 29, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
Enquired about Tuanzebe on loan.
we need a fourth choice centre back.

Bit harsh.

Think he would first choice back up for Konsa, with Hause being first choice back up for Mings. Two left sided centre backs and two right sided centre backs.

Agree he isn't getting a game unless there is an injury or a fixture pile up though, would have to bide his time like Hause. For that reason I can't see it happening.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2021, 07:48:50 PM
Enquired about Tuanzebe on loan.
we need a fourth choice centre back.

Bit harsh.

Think he would first choice back up for Konsa, with Hause being first choice back up for Mings. Two left sided centre backs and two right sided centre backs.

Agree he isn't getting a game unless there is an injury or a fixture pile up though, would have to bide his time like Hause. For that reason I can't see it happening.
I think Konsa is our best, then Mings, then Hause so Axel would be fourth - I'm not saying he's a bad player :) - he'd be a good loan signing
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Post by: OCD on July 29, 2021, 07:51:40 PM
Would Tuanzebe want to swap United's bench for ours?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2021, 07:58:25 PM
How long does Axel have left on his Man. United deal now? Would be odd if it's a loan if he's just got 12 months left although perhaps then a cut price deal in January would follow.

With Varane signing for them he isn't playing anytime soon so I reckon he'd fancy coming here. As good as Hause was for us in pretty much every game you'd still obviously say Axel has higher overall potential and he knows the manager and how we do stuff here so won't have trouble settling in.

I'd take him still. Mings has been playing non stop for over 12 months now so I worry a bit he might get a bad injury that would keep him out for 2-3 months given he was regularly pulling up in a few games at the end last season. Would leave us with just Konsa, Hause and a bunch of kids. Last season we had 4 CBs and AEM played CB in early rounds of league cup so we're obviously much weaker as it stands in that area.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2021, 07:58:33 PM
Would Tuanzebe want to swap United's bench for ours?
he might not make their bench next season
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 29, 2021, 08:02:45 PM
Axel can play DM as well
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2021, 08:06:38 PM
Would surely be used as RB cover aswell if Cash gets suspension or injuries like last season.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2021, 08:07:45 PM
Would surely be used as RB cover aswell if Cash gets suspension or injuries like last season.

we have Freddie G
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
Would surely be used as RB cover aswell if Cash gets suspension or injuries like last season.

we have Freddie G

Konsa can always play there if Dean still objects to Freddie, so Axel could step in at centre half.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2021, 08:38:36 PM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.
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Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2021, 08:47:49 PM
Would surely be used as RB cover aswell if Cash gets suspension or injuries like last season.
we have Freddie G
Konsa can always play there if Dean still objects to Freddie, so Axel could step in at centre half.
If Dean object to Freddie, why keep the lad at all?!
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Post by: Ads on July 29, 2021, 08:50:59 PM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.

Yeah but we're so rich now we can just indulge simply for song credentials alone.

Tuanzebe and a Tuanzebe!

Plus it will stop plastic Yanited racists ****** from absuing him all the while.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2021, 08:53:38 PM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.

On this one, odd occasion, I agree with cd.
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Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.

On this one, odd occasion, I agree with cd.

Me too, he needs a season playing regularly to prove his fitness, we don't need another player in that situation when we already have a couple of own.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 29, 2021, 09:13:17 PM
As long as Smith has faith in one of da yoof to be 4th choice CB then there is no need to sign another player.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 29, 2021, 09:25:40 PM
As long as Smith has faith in one of da yoof to be 4th choice CB then there is no need to sign another player.

Bogarde looks a decent player, would certainly be giving him some game time in the cups.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 29, 2021, 09:29:17 PM
Tuanzebe on a perm, great. Loan... Not sure I see the point. We are at a point I want to see Villa puffing out their chests in the market and doing what it takes to get a couple of players that will make the world change the perception of us from a top 6 feeder club that just bends over to actually challenging them.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 29, 2021, 09:31:33 PM
As long as Smith has faith in one of da yoof to be 4th choice CB then there is no need to sign another player.

Bogarde looks a decent player, would certainly be giving him some game time in the cups.

Agreed, stiil very young though so you must remember this but with cup games he'll improve as time goes by.
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Post by: OCD on July 29, 2021, 10:31:05 PM
Loans may be a useful tool for us for a while if we have high hopes of one or more of the kids but want them to go out and get some regular first team football and develop a little more before we integrate them. Bogarde, for example. He may still be a little raw right now but in a year's time should be further along and may be ready and we may have European football to ensure we use the full squad.
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Post by: FatSam on July 29, 2021, 10:32:25 PM
On the face of it Tuanzebe would be back-up to Konza. This is essentially the same position he has at Man Utd, where he actually has more opportunity to play due to European competition.

However, if our coaching team did think that he would convert well to a holding midfielder, then that would be an interesting, but obviously risky, proposition. I think we would really benefit from having the physical presence that he would bring there, a Rodri or Fernandinho type player. I don't watch enough other football to know who else might be suitable, but I quite liked the look of João Palhinha from what I saw of him during the Euros.
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Post by: brontebilly on July 29, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
Tuanzebe on a perm, great. Loan... Not sure I see the point. We are at a point I want to see Villa puffing out their chests in the market and doing what it takes to get a couple of players that will make the world change the perception of us from a top 6 feeder club that just bends over to actually challenging them.

Agreed, no point loaning Tuanzebe again...but buy him permanently if the price is right.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2021, 11:20:20 PM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.

Yeah, wouldn’t be looking at a loan.  Would be looking at a young option who can develop as a back up.  That is unless of course we have a young player who could step up.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2021, 11:20:50 PM
I wouldn't buy him either. He's always injured, and was only just above okay in the Championship. He hasn't even got an England cap and Man U players normally get them as soon as they're out of the womb.

I agree on getting a young star in who can step up and compete. Basically, sign the next Konsa, whoever that may be.
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Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2021, 11:29:43 PM
Yeah, I never really want to hear Tuanzebe's name again. We're always being linked with him off the back of an average/decentish loan spell with us in Serie B two years plus ago. His career hasn't kicked-on since then, we as a club, have. Thank you, next.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2021, 11:32:40 PM
Would surely be used as RB cover aswell if Cash gets suspension or injuries like last season.
we have Freddie G
Konsa can always play there if Dean still objects to Freddie, so Axel could step in at centre half.
If Dean object to Freddie, why keep the lad at all?!

French clubs can't pay what we want? I'm assuming 5-6m.
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
Really don't see anything in Tuanzebe.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2021, 12:15:27 AM
I don't get Tuanzebe either.

He's alright, he did alright for us in the championship. He liked being here from what i could see.

But is he really going to add much to the overall quality of our squad? I don't think he will.
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Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2021, 12:26:02 AM
Get a proper player. We aren't in the Championship any more, we don't need need be loaning anyone that isn't good enough to get in a really mediocre Man U team. Especially one who gets injured tying his laces up. Thanks for your efforts in getting promoted Axel and good luck at your next club. It shouldn't be us.
He’s good enough for West Brom.
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Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2021, 12:54:01 AM
I don't get Tuanzebe either.

He's alright, he did alright for us in the championship. He liked being here from what i could see.

But is he really going to add much to the overall quality of our squad? I don't think he will.

and even if he might add to the quality of the squad is he going to be fit enough to play when we need him given he's had so many injuries. Someone asked if we'd be looking at Davis if he played for someone else and, for me, the constant links to Tuanzebe show that we might if he'd had an average loan spell with us.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 05:07:54 AM
Agree a Tuanzebe loan would be a bit meh for me.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2021, 06:30:35 AM
Agree with Tuanzabee - what is the point of loaning him to sit on our bench - his time at the club has come and gone and I am sure if we had of wanted him we could of signed him in the summer we won promotion back to the big league.

Is the reason that we are linked to him again because the other players we have been after have decided that they don't want to join us?
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Post by: steamer on July 30, 2021, 06:34:42 AM
Totally underwhelmed by the prospect of bringing in Axel to sit on the bench or the physio table
I see wor steve is looking at him, Haway the lads.
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Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2021, 06:50:41 AM
Actually I think it’s a good move.  It’s to early for the likes of Bridge, Bogarde, Revan but there is a good chance one of them will come through in 22-23 so fill the gap with someone who’s happy to wait his chance and will be determined not to waste it when it comes.
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Post by: Demitri_C on July 30, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
I don't get Tuanzebe either.

He's alright, he did alright for us in the championship. He liked being here from what i could see.

But is he really going to add much to the overall quality of our squad? I don't think he will.

As i loan i agree unless its to save money ti focus on other positions eg mkney for tammy.

For me i think he ha spotnetial to be better than hause so would be 3rd choice cb for me
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Post by: steamer on July 30, 2021, 07:13:27 AM
why would he swap their bench for ours or imagine himself as a back until our 'better youngsters" step up
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Post by: JJ-AV on July 30, 2021, 07:14:00 AM
I don’t see what the issue is. He knows the club and would be 4th choice CB, cheap and can cover a number of positions. He’s even played LB for Man Utd a few times.

A loan to buy and if he ends up having an impact we keep him next year when we (hopefully) need a bigger squad for Europe.

Also gives us the option to play a back 3 too. We were lucky Engels didn’t have to play last year.
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Post by: caster troy on July 30, 2021, 08:10:05 AM
I don’t see what the issue is. He knows the club and would be 4th choice CB, cheap and can cover a number of positions. He’s even played LB for Man Utd a few times.

A loan to buy and if he ends up having an impact we keep him next year when we (hopefully) need a bigger squad for Europe.

Also gives us the option to play a back 3 too. We were lucky Engels didn’t have to play last year.

I agree. A three with Konsa, Mings and Hause might have been a little unbalanced, but with Konsa in the middle I could see it working well sometimes. We need more tactical options and more reliable cover generally. Bogarde looks a great prospect but if push came to shove I wouldn't want to be chucking him in for a big game at this stage.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 08:50:08 AM
We need a 4th centre back for certain. My worry with Axel is he needs football.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 30, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
Tuanzebe on loan would be pointless I think unless they're skint and can't afford a reserve. We're an established premier side now and the days of taking promising kids on loan from the likes of Man U for 12 months should be over. We either think he's good enough to buy or don't, and likewise either he fancies trying to win a first team place here or doesn't. Otherwise, go on loan to the likes Norwich or head to the championship
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Post by: Risso on July 30, 2021, 08:55:00 AM
It's a not to Tunanzebe from me. Just sounds like a typically lazy rumour made up because he played for us on loan and now can't get into the Man U team.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2021, 09:11:15 AM
He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 30, 2021, 09:19:04 AM
Don't panic Newcastle are in Pole position, so that rules him out for me on another level entirely!
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 30, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Don't panic Newcastle are in Pole position, so that rules him out for me on another level entirely!

Good. I'm sick of seeing his name in this thread. 
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 30, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
I don't think ManU rate him. He's got a contract till 2023 so it makes sense to loan him out to a premiership side and get exposure to sell him next summer. Can't see how we can guarantee game time for him.
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Post by: brontebilly on July 30, 2021, 09:33:12 AM
He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.

United buy their way out of problems though. I think if he got more of a chance he would have proved himself at least as good as Lindelof and better then Bailly. He did play a bit with them towards the end of last season and did ok. Think he got blamed a bit for their home loss to Sheff United when the wheels started falling off their league bid.

He's a good player, the polar opposite of Hause in a way, excellent on the ball but average in the air. Offers cover for Konsa, RB to an extent, allows up to switch to three at the back at times. Needs a brute next to him though.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 30, 2021, 09:37:39 AM
He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.

United buy their way out of problems though. I think if he got more of a chance he would have proved himself at least as good as Lindelof and better then Bailly. He did play a bit with them towards the end of last season and did ok. Think he got blamed a bit for their home loss to Sheff United when the wheels started falling off their league bid.

He's a good player, the polar opposite of Hause in a way, excellent on the ball but average in the air. Offers cover for Konsa, RB to an extent, allows up to switch to three at the back at times. Needs a brute next to him though.
yes the one weakness I saw was that forwards would play up against him and dominate him in the air.
I thought this was something that could be overcome with age and experience.
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Post by: algy on July 30, 2021, 09:43:25 AM
Tuanzebe on loan would be pointless I think unless they're skint and can't afford a reserve. We're an established premier side now and the days of taking promising kids on loan from the likes of Man U for 12 months should be over. We either think he's good enough to buy or don't, and likewise either he fancies trying to win a first team place here or doesn't. Otherwise, go on loan to the likes Norwich or head to the championship
As far as loans are concerned, our youth set up makes me think that we might be in a slightly more pro-loan situation than most clubs in our position.  I'd take Bogarde as an example.  I've not watched him enough to say, but I get the impression from here that he's really promising, but not ready to be 4th choice defender this season.

I'd be quite happy in that case with us loaning in a 4th choice defender, and loaning out Bogarde, with the expectation that for 2022/23 season Bogarde will be the 4th choice defender.  Situations like that - where we have an immediate problem but the longer term solution is already there - I'd have no problem at all with us bringing in either older players on short contracts (e.g. Ashley Young) or loaning a player in (e.g. Tuanzebe) to meet a short term need.

The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.
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Post by: kipeye on July 30, 2021, 09:57:47 AM
Tuanzebe on loan would be pointless I think unless they're skint and can't afford a reserve. We're an established premier side now and the days of taking promising kids on loan from the likes of Man U for 12 months should be over. We either think he's good enough to buy or don't, and likewise either he fancies trying to win a first team place here or doesn't. Otherwise, go on loan to the likes Norwich or head to the championship
As far as loans are concerned, our youth set up makes me think that we might be in a slightly more pro-loan situation than most clubs in our position.  I'd take Bogarde as an example.  I've not watched him enough to say, but I get the impression from here that he's really promising, but not ready to be 4th choice defender this season.

I'd be quite happy in that case with us loaning in a 4th choice defender, and loaning out Bogarde, with the expectation that for 2022/23 season Bogarde will be the 4th choice defender.  Situations like that - where we have an immediate problem but the longer term solution is already there - I'd have no problem at all with us bringing in either older players on short contracts (e.g. Ashley Young) or loaning a player in (e.g. Tuanzebe) to meet a short term need.

The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.
Not possible to know but I think Bogarde is better than that. He is good enough for 2/3rd choice if needed already from what I have seen. i know it's dangerous to throw youngsters in too soon, but we should be able to find out with a couple of cup games. it's not like he has to play every week.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2021, 10:24:33 AM
The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.

Arguably Barkley was ‘try before you buy’ and, perversely, proved to be a good loan as we were able to return him.  Like you’ve suggested, we should definitely not rule out loans entirely.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 30, 2021, 10:43:15 AM
Get more games out of Axl Rose than Axel T .

Always injured , no thanks .
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Post by: john2710 on July 30, 2021, 11:01:26 AM
If he can stay fit, get games then Axel would be a good signing. Even better on loan, with an option to buy at the end.

He’s cover for RB too. Whilst Bogarde may be the answer long term, there’s no way he’s ready for first team action.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 30, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.
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Post by: Damo70 on July 30, 2021, 11:26:48 AM
He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

I seem to recall we played Tuanzebe out of position in his spell with us.
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Post by: Dr Butler on July 30, 2021, 11:28:36 AM
He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

should of scored in the playoff final vs Fat Fwanky's Derby too

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2021, 11:39:45 AM
Well this talk about Tunanzebe is nowhere near as exciting as the possibility of signing Bailey.
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Post by: Moonraker on July 30, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
But I liked the Tuanzebe song. Shouldnt this come into the consideration?
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Post by: Demitri_C on July 30, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
Cantwell and tuanzebe are signings that for me would not be signings that i feel take us to the next level.

Signings like bailey is what will.
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Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2021, 12:09:35 PM
Signing of Bailey could convince Jack to give it one more season.

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Post by: sickbeggar on July 30, 2021, 12:18:55 PM
Signing of Bailey could convince Jack to give it one more season.

yep. I don't know what Grealish views as a team looking to compete for Europe and trophies but I would say Bailey fits into that criteria for me anyway.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 30, 2021, 12:27:45 PM
I'd definitely take Tuanzebe on loan.  It would give us cheap cover whilst we concentrate on bringing in the big hitters we need this season.  It would cover both centre back and right back (with either him or Konsa moving over if needed).

I doubt it would happen as both he and Utd would want him to get gametime and there's no way we can promise that.
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Post by: frank black on July 30, 2021, 12:29:12 PM
Cantwell and tuanzebe are signings that for me would not be signings that i feel take us to the next level.

Signings like bailey is what will.

Signing Cantwell would tell me jacks on his way, he’s Jack lite.

Not a bad player actually, but not Jack
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Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 01:23:52 PM
More of a 10 than Jack though. If we take it that there is some money, maybe £50 ish million left to spend this summer outside of Jack, with the Jack money we will have the chance to add 4 very good players. Getting those signings right is going to be the most important thing we have done in the market for a long old time.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 30, 2021, 01:27:43 PM
trouble is, you'd need to do that business pre Jack leaving or be held to ransom by everyone. I don't think we will splurge £100m and sell Jack in the next couple of weeks somehow. Which then begs the question, how can we sell Jack now? unless, of course, Buendia is the replacement.
It's all very depressing. City don't even need Jack, they need a centre forward
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Post by: Hairbandinho on July 30, 2021, 01:34:25 PM
They are doing this to weaken us. The same as they did with Milner. They didn't actually need him. Apparently FFP doesn't apply to the sky six either if they get Kane too. The league is a rigged system where unless your already in the 6 cartel, you cannot play and succeed.
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Post by: brontebilly on July 30, 2021, 01:38:42 PM
He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

I seem to recall we played Tuanzebe out of position in his spell with us.

Next to Mings? He was more than ok then, it was like playing with an extra midfielder at times with the ease he brought the ball out from the back. Great recovery pace too. Without Mings he was only ok. Distinctly remember Grabban tearing him a new one at Villa Park one night but that can happen any young defender. The likes of Chris Wood would have a field day on him but with Mings and our keeper, we don't get bullied in the air these days anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2021, 01:43:09 PM
When Tuanzebe was here previously, he was a first team regular, but now he'd be a fourth-choice defender and fifth-choice midfielder. I wouldn't mind him for a season while Bogarde gets another year's experience.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 30, 2021, 01:47:40 PM
As a ska fan I think we should get Axel. Football should be entertaining and his song is up there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2021, 01:56:52 PM
I sincerely hope that within a week of the inevitable departure of Grealish, we’re seeing three bloody good players stretching the shirt on our hallowed turf. We’re going to need it to lift the gloom this close to kick off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
I sincerely hope that within a week of the inevitable departure of Grealish, we’re seeing three bloody good players stretching the shirt on our hallowed turf. We’re going to need it to lift the gloom this close to kick off.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inevitable  ???
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy (understanding that he is a different player to those mentioned).

At this point in time, it's about adding value and additional skills to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2021, 02:12:04 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.


Err, defending?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 30, 2021, 02:14:41 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.


A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Skerra on July 30, 2021, 02:16:07 PM
Forget about Tuanzebe, we need a proven striker as a minimum. There’s nowhere in the league rules that state we can only play with 1 striker in every match!!
As regards Jack, I still think he’ll be making a huge mistake if he goes to Man City. Can see him spending a lot of time on their bench and, will do his England chances no good at all. I seem to remember a certain reptile who did this and it all but ended his England career.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:17:20 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
Err, defending?
Err, really? He's injured lots, ain't that good in the air and could not make the Yanited team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 02:18:49 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.


A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?

So we can announce the return of Drinkwater before anyone else snaps him up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:19:28 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?
Maybe 'smokescreen' was the wrong word. Perhaps 'distraction' would be better.
Easy for journos to link us to players that have been successfully on loan to us in the past; like Axel and Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
Err, defending?
Err, really? He's injured lots, ain't that good in the air and could not make the Yanited team.

You said you couldn't see what he'd bring compared to those players, none of whom are defenders.

I was being pedantic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 02:20:02 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
Err, defending?
Err, really? He's injured lots, ain't that good in the air and could not make the Yanited team.

I don't want him, but he clearly offers something different to the players you mentioned as he's a completely different position. Your argument is like saying "why are we being linked with Winks when we already have Martinez"?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?
So we can announce the return of Drinkwater before anyone else snaps him up.
Nah, he wouldn't fit into the 3-5-2 that we're planning!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2021, 02:21:58 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?
So we can announce the return of Drinkwater before anyone else snaps him up.
Nah, he wouldn't fit into the 3-5-2 that we're planning!

Wash your mouth out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
A smokescreen deployed by who, and for what purpose?
So we can announce the return of Drinkwater before anyone else snaps him up.
Nah, he wouldn't fit into the 3-5-2 that we're planning!

I used to like you. ☹
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:23:10 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
Err, defending?
Err, really? He's injured lots, ain't that good in the air and could not make the Yanited team.
I don't want him, but he clearly offers something different to the players you mentioned as he's a completely different position. Your argument is like saying "why are we being linked with Winks when we already have Martinez"?
No, you misread my post: I cannot see what he would bring to the squad, whereas as I can see what the other examples would bring:
Bailey would bring attacking pace; JWP would bring midfield solidity and set pieces; Tammy would bring goalscoring instinct and aerial strength in attack.
Not sure what Axel would bring particularly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:24:02 PM
I used to like you. ☹
Really? - I'd never have guessed  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 02:25:16 PM
Wash your mouth out.
It was specifically aimed at CDBWF ...
...but nice to have reeled you in as well, Lee 8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
I think Tuanzebe is a smokescreen TBH. I can't really see what he would bring to the squad compared to Bailey, JWP or even Tammy.
Err, defending?
Err, really? He's injured lots, ain't that good in the air and could not make the Yanited team.
I don't want him, but he clearly offers something different to the players you mentioned as he's a completely different position. Your argument is like saying "why are we being linked with Winks when we already have Martinez"?
No, you misread my post: I cannot see what he would bring to the squad, whereas as I can see what the other examples would bring:
Bailey would bring attacking pace; JWP would bring midfield solidity and set pieces; Tammy would bring goalscoring instinct and aerial strength in attack.
Not sure what Axel would bring particularly.

I get what you're saying but didn't misread it, you just put it badly!

I'd give you the benefit of the doubt but the 3 centre half post marks you out as a wrongun.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
the only thing Axel will bring with him is extra work for the physiotherapists. The past is a foreign country.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 30, 2021, 02:45:52 PM
the only thing Axel will bring with him is extra work for the physiotherapists. The past is a foreign country.

No, Switzerland is a foreign country.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2021, 02:56:52 PM
Quietly, wildly, we've just had £25m rejected for Ward-Prowse. If true that's a foolish, borderline insulting bid - they're never selling for that in any case, let alone now everyone knows our budget might be taking quite the boost.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on July 30, 2021, 02:58:08 PM
Quietly, wildly, we've just had £25m rejected for Ward-Prowse. If true that's a foolish, borderline insulting bid - they're never selling for that in any case, let alone now everyone knows our budget might be taking quite the boost.

I read that and yes, if true, we're every bit as bad as City.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 30, 2021, 02:59:10 PM
Going into the transfer window I was expecting Villa to make one or two statement signings to make the step up to the next level. With respect to Buendia (and Bailey though I don't know the guy) statement signings are still to arrive in the form of a Madison or Abraham.
Instead the focus seems to be on a statement departure.
The owners, Purslow and Lange have their work cut out if they are to continue to convince Villa fans of their ambitions. It's going to be an interesting couple of weeks for them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
Quietly, wildly, we've just had £25m rejected for Ward-Prowse. If true that's a foolish, borderline insulting bid - they're never selling for that in any case, let alone now everyone knows our budget might be taking quite the boost.

I read that and yes, if true, we're every bit as bad as City.

Yep, pretty shabby, timewasting, even condescending shit that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on July 30, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Quietly, wildly, we've just had £25m rejected for Ward-Prowse. If true that's a foolish, borderline insulting bid - they're never selling for that in any case, let alone now everyone knows our budget might be taking quite the boost.

I read that and yes, if true, we're every bit as bad as City.

Yep, pretty shabby, timewasting, even condescending shit that.

It would be ridiculous if we keep sending in low ball bids and getting rejected (JWP/ESR) and accepted the first bid that came in for Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 03:33:37 PM
We could probably programme a bot to send an email to Southampton with an increased bid of £1 every hour.

£25,000,000 might not be enough. £25,000,037, though? They'd have to be tempted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
That's what we should have done with Smith-Rowe. They would probably sell just to stop the spamming :)
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Post by: aev on July 30, 2021, 03:48:44 PM
That's what we should have done with Smith-Rowe. They would probably sell just to stop the spamming :)

Clogging up their fax machine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on July 30, 2021, 03:49:47 PM
Back to JWP, Southampton have supposedly said they have no interest in selling.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 30, 2021, 03:57:02 PM
My optimism is rock bottom now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 04:01:35 PM
Back to JWP, Southampton have supposedly said they have no interest in selling.

Southampton fans say they are skint.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2021, 04:20:13 PM
Cantwell, Bailey, JWP, Hughes and a GK something along those lines.
If Grealish goes get Tammy Abraham too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
Presumably Sky and whomever else have already made the visual of JWP in a Villa shirt as they’ve been doing for weeks with our player? No, thought not.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2021, 04:37:35 PM
There are only 2 players I would bring in from the above list, jwp and Bailey, the others would just be wasting money
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 30, 2021, 04:44:55 PM

If Jack is sold we can forget about catching Arsenal and Spurs up, both of them will have gained further ground on us. Much as I like Smith, I have seen nothing in our performances minus Jack that makes me think he has a viable plan for life without him. Buendia plus Jack improves us, Buendia and we sell Jack is a big backwards step.

Precious little point bringing JWP in if the player that wins all the free kicks for him to take is sold.

Still think Jack will stay, and we will sign Bailey and JWP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
Cantwell, Bailey, JWP, Hughes and a GK something along those lines.
If Grealish goes get Tammy Abraham too.


Urgh. There’s only one way to satisfy us if Jack goes and that’s Chiesa, locatelli, Rice, and a certain Argentinian on a free
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2021, 04:46:48 PM
Can't see us being as attractive to the likes of JWP without Grealish. All the more reason to say fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 04:47:50 PM
Smith has been so reliant on Jack dictating our play, the next 4 weeks are huge for him.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2021, 04:49:12 PM
I would go for the Italian player who played on the left hand side of their attack - sorry old age can’t remember his name, but think he plays for Napoli - that is IF Jack goes!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 30, 2021, 04:52:15 PM
I would go for the Italian player who played on the left hand side of their attack - sorry old age can’t remember his name, but think he plays for Napoli - that is IF Jack goes!!!

Insigne?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2021, 04:52:23 PM
Is Odergaard any good? 

Madrid need the money and the press are reporting £43m is the asking price.  Reports suggest he was decent at Arsenal although I don’t particularly remember this, unless he is a ‘pass before the assist’ type of player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
There are only 2 players I would bring in from the above list, jwp and Bailey, the others would just be wasting money
Agreed, although Cantwell and Buendia might be a useful and familiar combination.
There must be a reason why other clubs have not pitched for Cantwell ...

...Buendia plus Jack improves us, Buendia and we sell Jack is a big backwards step...
Buendia is still a very good player, with or without JG. The challenge will be in bringing in others around him to maximise his talents.

Precious little point bringing JWP in if the player that wins all the free kicks for him to take is sold ...
Buendia and others win free kicks as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2021, 05:01:19 PM
personal terms agreed for Bailey , apparently
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2021, 05:02:36 PM
How much would Bellingham cost?
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 30, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
I like JWP, but if we have to spend half the Grealish money to get him I'd be gutted.  Particularly when we have McGinn, Luiz, Sanson & Ramsey who can play a similar role.

As for Cantwell, I'd take him for £25m as we will need squad depth on the left and he's a clever player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 30, 2021, 05:04:49 PM
How much would Bellingham cost?
Now that would be good fun.  I reckon £50m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 05:06:24 PM
personal terms agreed for Bailey , apparently

Where's this mate?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2021, 05:10:28 PM
I would go for the Italian player who played on the left hand side of their attack - sorry old age can’t remember his name, but think he plays for Napoli - that is IF Jack goes!!!

Insigne?

Thought he was off to Spurs for £25m but he said he'd prefer to stay at Napoli. Too old for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: yammers on July 30, 2021, 05:20:29 PM
Considering we were taking the piss out of the Arse’s spending prowess a few weeks ago they seemed to have left us behind a bit in the improvement of the squad at present.

Sorry if that sounds defeatist but I feel a tad poo at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 05:23:48 PM
Considering we were taking the piss out of the Arse’s spending prowess a few weeks ago they seemed to have left us behind a bit in the improvement of the squad at present.
Sorry if that sounds defeatist but I feel a tad poo at the moment.
My guess is that by this time next week we'll have 2 or 3 new players that will more than match the Arse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: yammers on July 30, 2021, 05:25:54 PM
Considering we were taking the piss out of the Arse’s spending prowess a few weeks ago they seemed to have left us behind a bit in the improvement of the squad at present.
Sorry if that sounds defeatist but I feel a tad poo at the moment.
My guess is that by this time next week we'll have 2 or 3 new players that will more than match the Arse.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
I would go for the Italian player who played on the left hand side of their attack - sorry old age can’t remember his name, but think he plays for Napoli - that is IF Jack goes!!!

Insigne?

Napoli's Grealish. Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 30, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Apologies if this has already been commented on, but I see that Marc Albrighton has just signed a new three year deal at Leicester.  Well done him, and them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
Reading up about this Morgan Rogers and he certainly looks worth bringing in. In a separate deal though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 05:42:14 PM
Reading up about this Morgan Rogers and he certainly looks worth bringing in. In a separate deal though.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
Reading up about this Morgan Rogers and he certainly looks worth bringing in. In a separate deal though.

My thoughts exactly.

Am wondering if we have asked for him to be part of any deal 😡
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
It’s bizarre isn’t it.  Rumours of our bid for JWP and personal terms agreed with Bailey both  for near on £60m but neither gets any news because of Jack! I would love it if we pulled off those 2 signings and then Jack says he’s staying - the media would go in to meltdown
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 30, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Apparently Grealish is going and people within the club have been made aware this evening.

I really hope it's not true
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 06:06:59 PM
"Apparently" from who?
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Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 06:07:09 PM
Apparently Grealish is going and people within the club have been made aware this evening.

I really hope it's not true
in the world of social media and rampant gambling, do you really think an internal message would be made ahead of an announced deal?
I don't think so; particularly not for a deal of this magnitude.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 30, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
"Apparently" from who?

Had a text just saying they had hear from someone in the office to say Jack's gone. He didn't name anyone sorry and like I said I'm preying it's not true but this guys never texted me any itk about the villa in the 15 years I've known him
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 30, 2021, 06:12:42 PM
Fingers crossed for Bailey.  Can we keep Grealish on his own thread because some of us are bored to fuck of reading the 'no news'?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2021, 06:33:32 PM
It’s bizarre isn’t it.  Rumours of our bid for JWP and personal terms agreed with Bailey both  for near on £60m but neither gets any news because of Jack! I would love it if we pulled off those 2 signings and then Jack says he’s staying - the media would go in to meltdown

That said, where hypotheticallly does Jack fit in a team with Buendia, Bailey and JWP?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2021, 06:46:58 PM
JWP is a central midfielder anyway. It wouldn't change the front 4. The better would question would be where would it leave Douglas Luiz?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 30, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
It’s bizarre isn’t it.  Rumours of our bid for JWP and personal terms agreed with Bailey both  for near on £60m but neither gets any news because of Jack! I would love it if we pulled off those 2 signings and then Jack says he’s staying - the media would go in to meltdown

That said, where hypotheticallly does Jack fit in a team with Buendia, Bailey and JWP?
Bailey left, Jack 10, Buendia right and JWP 8. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2021, 06:50:43 PM
It’s bizarre isn’t it.  Rumours of our bid for JWP and personal terms agreed with Bailey both  for near on £60m but neither gets any news because of Jack! I would love it if we pulled off those 2 signings and then Jack says he’s staying - the media would go in to meltdown

That said, where hypotheticallly does Jack fit in a team with Buendia, Bailey and JWP?
Bailey left, Jack 10, Buendia right and JWP 8. 

Yes please!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 30, 2021, 06:50:50 PM
Why are we trying to sign players like ESR and JWP that teams don’t want to sell by reportedly lowballing them offers they’ll never accept? Strange
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2021, 07:07:48 PM
Why are we trying to sign players like ESR and JWP that teams don’t want to sell by reportedly lowballing them offers they’ll never accept? Strange

There’s a lot of skint clubs out there that will eventually have to accept something/anything.  Some bargains will be available at some point, I’m sure of it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2021, 07:10:35 PM
Entice the player and then negotiate on the fee, in the hope of agreeing something that would be lower than if you went straight in with a competitive offer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 07:17:17 PM
Can Chucky play on the left?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 07:24:38 PM
The ESR offer (if correct) wasn't a low ball - if he refused a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2021, 07:33:02 PM
What about Lingard he's proved himself and would be a solid addition
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 30, 2021, 07:35:18 PM
I can't see that Solskjaer has any option but to play him after his performances at the kit thieves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 07:36:20 PM
I fear Lingard might have performed out of his skin for 6 months and that may have burnt out/will shortly burn out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2021, 07:43:39 PM
Where's Lange and his identifing of current first team ready talent and signings
Same with McKenzie

I'm all for this academy thing and youth players being bought but it's folly and getting quite annoyed by the hoovering of talent and the purchasing it's all  play another day , investing in future.
How many of these lot by time they are 20 made 20or so appearances in the first team
Seen it all before and will end up just loaning players out
I really getting frustrated that it's a risk to focus on this youth and academy thing so much.

Dean Smith club last club Brentford went the other way and got rid of their academy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
No to Lingaard please.

Damsgaard looked a good player for Denmark.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on July 30, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
JWP is a central midfielder anyway. It wouldn't change the front 4. The better would question would be where would it leave Douglas Luiz?

Fighting for his place, which after his performances last season he should be. JWP is a steady eddie type player. Don't see the point in pushing hard for him though.

I'm very hopeful about Buendia this season. Think he will be miles better than Barkley and likes of Watkins should thrive from his quick through balls. We have a lot of quality in all those positions supporting Watkins, especially if we get Bailey in. If Grealish does go, we could still have a three like McGinn/Buendia/Bailey which would still be a very strong one. Likes of Traore and AEG fighting for places too.

I've rated Thomas Delaney for years and think he would be a very good addition to our midfield two. Wouldn't need to play every week but has that bit of presence we need at times.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldenballs on July 30, 2021, 08:14:33 PM
I'd love JWP, think he'd be a quality signing.

https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/James-Ward-Prowse
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2021, 08:25:43 PM
Where's Lange and his identifing of current first team ready talent and signings
Same with McKenzie

I'm all for this academy thing and youth players being bought but it's folly and getting quite annoyed by the hoovering of talent and the purchasing it's all  play another day , investing in future.
How many of these lot by time they are 20 made 20or so appearances in the first team
Seen it all before and will end up just loaning players out
I really getting frustrated that it's a risk to focus on this youth and academy thing so much.

Dean Smith club last club Brentford went the other way and got rid of their academy

so impatient! It's both / and ...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Where's Lange and his identifing of current first team ready talent and signings
Same with McKenzie

I'm all for this academy thing and youth players being bought but it's folly and getting quite annoyed by the hoovering of talent and the purchasing it's all  play another day , investing in future.
How many of these lot by time they are 20 made 20or so appearances in the first team
Seen it all before and will end up just loaning players out
I really getting frustrated that it's a risk to focus on this youth and academy thing so much.

Dean Smith club last club Brentford went the other way and got rid of their academy


It reminds me why I hardly read anything you post.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on July 30, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
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Where's Lange and his identifing of current first team ready talent and signings
Same with McKenzie

I'm all for this academy thing and youth players being bought but it's folly and getting quite annoyed by the hoovering of talent and the purchasing it's all  play another day , investing in future.
How many of these lot by time they are 20 made 20or so appearances in the first team
Seen it all before and will end up just loaning players out
I really getting frustrated that it's a risk to focus on this youth and academy thing so much.

Dean Smith club last club Brentford went the other way and got rid of their academy

so impatient! It's both / and ...
Dear Footy-Vil have a look at some Villa history.In the mid sixties Villa would't pay decent fees,started to lose good players,neglected training facilities and the development of young players.Ended up in the 3rd Division in 1970.We had then started to pick up good young players.The European Cup winning side featured 3 home grown players,Williams,Cowans and Shaw.
Newcastle under Keegan scrapped their youth team.Did very well but no trophies and couldn't sustain their progress unlike Man Utd who were helped by an array of home grown talent such as Giggs,the Nevilles,Butt,Beckham and Scholes.
Outspending Citeh,Chelsea,United and even Liverpool would be difficult,buying players who can develop,Konsa,Buendia and Watkins is a way of catching these teams and especially by hoovering up young talent.Patience can bring its rewards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 10:09:11 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Shrek on July 30, 2021, 10:33:01 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Eckybloke on July 30, 2021, 10:36:14 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.
I think we’ll want to but I was just reading about Spurs’ spunking of the Bale cash. With the exception of Erikson and arguably Lamela, they wasted it. 

I’d rather we bolstered and brought some youngsters through.  Don’t get me wrong, selling him sends all the wrong messages but wasting the money might end up worse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr-villa on July 30, 2021, 10:37:28 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.

then why sell him
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2021, 10:40:05 PM
Signing JWP would be a signal for me that we are keeping Jack, so we take advantage of all the free kicks he wins for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 10:47:53 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.
I think we’ll want to but I was just reading about Spurs’ spunking of the Bale cash. With the exception of Erikson and arguably Lamela, they wasted it. 

I’d rather we bolstered and brought some youngsters through.  Don’t get me wrong, selling him sends all the wrong messages but wasting the money might end up worse.

I don’t think because Spurs failed it means we would. You’d hope we already have players lined up, and whilst this might be fairly ruthless we’re coming out of a pandemic - most clubs won’t be in the position to hold onto valuable assets if they receive decent offers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on July 30, 2021, 10:50:02 PM
I still don't think Jack will leave but if he does I agree that the sort of statement signings I'd like are youngsters, even if that means setting us back slightly. Pape Sarr, Jeremy Doku, Jude Bellingham, etc.

It might mean a step back for a little while as they get up to speed but added to our own youngsters I think we could end up with a fantastic young squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Shrek on July 30, 2021, 10:51:14 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.

then why sell him

I don’t think we have a choice, everything points towards a release clause or agreement in place when he signed last year.

Obviously this is all guesswork until we actually hear from Villa
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2021, 10:53:16 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.

then why sell him

I don’t think we have a choice, everything points towards a release clause or agreement in place when he signed last year.

Obviously this is all guesswork until we actually hear from Villa

Nothing points to either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 10:53:39 PM
Ismael Sarr would be a cracking signing. Bellingham, whilst young, isn’t a “youngster” statement signing. He’s already established at a big European club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 10:56:43 PM
Calling him JWP makes me think he's probably another bland, overhyped English player.

Not that I've seen him play, other than against Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on July 30, 2021, 10:56:57 PM
I still don't think Jack will leave but if he does I agree that the sort of statement signings I'd like are youngsters, even if that means setting us back slightly. Pape Sarr, Jeremy Doku, Jude Bellingham, etc.

It might mean a step back for a little while as they get up to speed but added to our own youngsters I think we could end up with a fantastic young squad.
This.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 30, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
I still don't think Jack will leave but if he does I agree that the sort of statement signings I'd like are youngsters, even if that means setting us back slightly. Pape Sarr, Jeremy Doku, Jude Bellingham, etc.

It might mean a step back for a little while as they get up to speed but added to our own youngsters I think we could end up with a fantastic young squad.
This.

None of them excite me. If Jack goes with these owners in charge, then it's open season forever more anytime we have a good player. If we can't keep a supposed villa fan happy then who's next out the door?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 11:01:38 PM
Bellingham is a cracking player - I imagine he’d cost a fortune if he/Dortmund were prepared to allow a move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Shrek on July 30, 2021, 11:09:50 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.

then why sell him

I don’t think we have a choice, everything points towards a release clause or agreement in place when he signed last year.

Obviously this is all guesswork until we actually hear from Villa

Nothing points to either.

Of course it does. Without something agreed in the contract last year, we could just say no.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 11:14:15 PM
If we sell Jack we absolutely have to make a number of statement signings.

Losing Grealish means the only way we make statement signings are by paying over the odds in fees and wages imo. Which is something I just don’t think the club will do.

then why sell him

I don’t think we have a choice, everything points towards a release clause or agreement in place when he signed last year.

Obviously this is all guesswork until we actually hear from Villa

Nothing points to either.

Why would any agent not include it? It was in his interests.
Villa would have been bending over backwards for him to stay another year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 30, 2021, 11:19:49 PM
Please guys... One thread of soul beating, chest thumping grealishness is enough
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 30, 2021, 11:40:33 PM
I still don't think Jack will leave but if he does I agree that the sort of statement signings I'd like are youngsters, even if that means setting us back slightly. Pape Sarr, Jeremy Doku, Jude Bellingham, etc.

It might mean a step back for a little while as they get up to speed but added to our own youngsters I think we could end up with a fantastic young squad.
This.

None of them excite me. If Jack goes with these owners in charge, then it's open season forever more anytime we have a good player. If we can't keep a supposed villa fan happy then who's next out the door?
The thing is we know the score now if Jack leaves.
Anybody in our squad is for sale if they perform well enough to attract any of the top 4.
I think we should drop expectations from now on because we won't reach the level to compete with those sides.
That's it lads. Top half and a decent cup run is the aim.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 11:40:39 PM
Sarr, Ward Prowse and Bailey would be a pretty decent statement of intent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Doku and Damsgaard are both exciting players too. We can improve despite him going.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 30, 2021, 11:43:46 PM
We can sign any player if he goes but the principle is established. Even Villa super fans can be turned. Jack goes and the vultures will be back again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 11:48:23 PM
We can sign any player if he goes but the principle is established. Even Villa super fans can be turned. Jack goes and the vultures will be back again.

That has always been the case, but with Jack, there was always the hope we had a world class player AND a fan - he may stay.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AndyP on July 30, 2021, 11:53:07 PM
Look on the bright side. If Grealish goes, pressure is off to get into Europe just to keep him happy. We can wait for a year or two until some of the youngsters are first teamers. Imagine being in CL with 3/4 proper Villans, not just Grealish. I'd much rather Villa brought players through than just bought the latest fan favourite, even if it means we only win Premiership every 2nd year. UTV
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 30, 2021, 11:56:26 PM
We can sign any player if he goes but the principle is established. Even Villa super fans can be turned. Jack goes and the vultures will be back again.

That has always been the case, but with Jack, there was always the hope we had a world class player AND a fan - he may stay.

Let's hope so.
A huge crossroads for me.
I'll be at VP for as long as I can be.
But I'm not sure if I'll be watching mid table seasons or top six/European campaigns though.
I think this decision determines what my ST money will be spent on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on July 30, 2021, 11:59:56 PM
We can sign any player if he goes but the principle is established. Even Villa super fans can be turned. Jack goes and the vultures will be back again.

That has always been the case, but with Jack, there was always the hope we had a world class player AND a fan - he may stay.

Let's hope so.
A huge crossroads for me.
I'll be at VP for as long as I can be.
But I'm not sure if I'll be watching mid table seasons or top six/European campaigns though.
I think this decision determines what my ST money will be spent on.

Sorry to build your hopes up with my bad grammar!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 12:38:13 AM
Must say, if Percy's right and our idea of replacing Jack is Todd Cantwell or Ismaïla Sarr, then someone needs to be fired as that is pathetic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:43:58 AM
Far from "pathetic", calm down.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 12:50:10 AM
Ok, let's be more accurate. Unimaginative, unambitious, waste of a unique financial position. Who thinks the way to replace the icon of the club is to replicate the Norwich attack? It's that a good use of resources? Spurs have just signed a proper prodigy from Sevilla and we throw money at the Championship? Are we supposed to think that will seriously challenge them? No, it's a half-step away from the exact way MON wasted his chance. Good to see us keeping up our traditions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:51:30 AM
Get some sleep mate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clive W on July 31, 2021, 12:52:03 AM
Are we in for a few more seasons of “plucky Villa”?

Hopefully not
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:53:29 AM
If we sell Grealish I'll be gutted. However, it would be completely unreasonable to slate any incoming signing for not being as good as Grealish, as it will be impossible for us to attract players of that calibre if we do let him go, in the short term at least.

Sarr and Cantwell aren't as good as Grealish but they're both very good players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 12:55:21 AM
Do you have to be so condescending? I'm just expressing an opinion about transfer targets in a football forum.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:01:54 AM
Do you have to be so condescending? I'm just expressing an opinion about transfer targets in a football forum.

Sorry, I thought you were a bit over the top. Posting angry rarely ends well, I do it often enough. ☹
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 01:03:49 AM
Do you have to be so condescending? I'm just expressing an opinion about transfer targets in a football forum.

Sorry, I thought you were a bit over the top. Posting angry rarely ends well, I do it often enough. ☹

We have had our noses rubbed in it all day long.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2021, 01:05:40 AM
Nothing short of signing the Argentinian Gary Shaw will cheer me up if Grealish goes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 01:06:51 AM
Well fair enough mate, I was definitely waxing hyperbolic. But I can't deny I find those targets tremendously underwhelming.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:09:36 AM
Fair enough, and apologies for coming across as condescening, I was going for irreverant/jovial.

I think anyone is going to be underwhelming if you judge them by the criteria of being as good as Grealish. Dublin wasn't as good a player as Yorke, but it wasn't his fault Yorke left and I still loved him for a while.

If Cantwell wants to present any property programmes, though, he can fuck off. There's too many of them already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on July 31, 2021, 01:14:59 AM
Must say, if Percy's right and our idea of replacing Jack is Todd Cantwell or Ismaïla Sarr, then someone needs to be fired as that is pathetic.

Bailey would replace Jack Grealish if those two transfers were to happen.  We aren't going to be able to replace Jack Grealish with a similar level player unfortunately, but we can still get a very good player who could fit in to the way we play and be very effective.

It's seems like we are in the market for a young attacking midfielder, hence the links to Smith-Rowe and Cantwell.  Wouldn't see  a player like that being an automatic starter, more one to develop over the next couple of seasons. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 01:16:06 AM
I would love us to go get Aouar that's being linked with Arsenal and Liverpool. A player that would show that while Jack might have gone, Villa are looking up not shown and will find a way forward.

Leicester have lost players. Liverpool lost Sterling to Man City. Arsenal have too. Their budget is totally different to every other club. What we have to do is go and buy 4/5 players that will get in our team. A top centre mid, a top winger, a number ten. Proper competition for Ollie. We do that, in spite of Jack going I reckon we'll move forward. There are terrific players out there. Look at Rafinha at Leeds last season. The players being linked are 22/23. Get them right, with our youngsters, in 2 years time they won't need to move. And Jack will be kicking himself.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 01:18:20 AM
No worries! Tone is always the first thing to die in the internet.

It's true that Jack, properly speaking, is irreplaceable, I just get a distinct whiff of midtable from the names mentioned so far apart from Bailey. Of course it could be that I've caught S_E's aversion to 'Todd' as a name. I just wish we'd use an extra hundred million on, I don't know, Camavinga, or indeed Aouar.

Actually, I'd love Aouar.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:22:30 AM
I've never heard of him but can imagine singing his name.

"I drove my tractor through your haystack last night (Aouar Aouar)
I threw me pitchfork at your dog to keep quiet (Aouar Aouar)
Now something's telling me
That you'm avoiding me
Come on now darling you've got something I need
Cuz I got a brand new combine harvester
An' I'll give you the key
Come on now let's get together
In perfect harmony"


Might need some work. Maybe change "combine harvester" to "Emi Buendia" and I think it's good to go.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 31, 2021, 01:27:36 AM
I've never heard of him but can imagine singing his name.

"I drove my tractor through your haystack last night (Aouar Aouar)

Maybe we should just sign Aouar instead.

No thanks, it would make us all sound like Bristol City fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:40:31 AM
Oh, FFS. I hate him now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2021, 01:53:24 AM
Far from "pathetic", calm down.
Cantwell and Sarr are very, very average. Neither of them have done anything of note really and would cost the best part of £60m to buy them. Watste of money shite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2021, 04:37:32 AM
Sarr is a cracking player. Cantwell I’m not so sure.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2021, 05:52:10 AM
I was a bit surprised no-one went in for Sarr when Watford were relegated. When Dacoure went off to Everton, I thought they would grab Sarr as well.  Not sure why he didn't draw any attention from us a while ago, given Dean likes a winger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on July 31, 2021, 06:16:37 AM
All this about Cantwell being average. He isn’t at all, he’s a very good player IMO.  Of course he’s no Grealish but he’d definitely help us consolidate mid table. ( which I imagine is where we will be next season, hopefully ).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on July 31, 2021, 06:43:55 AM
Consolidating mid table.  When do we aim higher than that? In 2 years? 5? Never?
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 06:52:55 AM
Replacing Grealish with Championship shite like Cantwell and still suggesting we have European aspirations is frankly embarrassing.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2021, 06:59:45 AM
Erm..?  Has this happened?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2021, 07:06:36 AM
Our owners have offered him a 60% pay rise, broken the club transfer record already this summer, they seem prepared to do so again.  What is currently holding them back is waiting for their captain and prize possession to make his mind up about his future before buying the players they need to take the club forward in the best manner that they can.  What is the point in planning for one course of action when in a single stroke that plan may have to be changed on monday if Grealish decides he is going to leave?  We won't know until monday the outcome of those discussions.  Do we think we might stop slagging off the best owners and management team this club has seen in many a long year.  Pull up our pants and act like adults for a couple of days and let them get on with the jobs that they have done very well to this point?  Bored of all your whining and club bashing.  Act like a proper Villa fan and support the club you claim to.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 07:08:04 AM
Why is it even his decision? You're powerful and insanely driven blokes. Flex that power.
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Post by: Shrek on July 31, 2021, 07:19:45 AM
We rely so heavily on Jack it’s crazy.

We have to be genuinely careful we don’t get dragged into another relegation battle this season. There’s a fine line between comfortable mid table and battling to stay up.

I’m really baffled why we haven’t gone all out for players if as it seems Jack going has been on cards for a while.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2021, 07:28:43 AM


I’m really baffled why we haven’t gone all out for players if as it seems Jack going has been on cards for a while.

You have a car. It's a nice car, you're pretty happy with that car.  It's not perfect though, so you spend some money on that car, maybe buy it a sports chip to improve the performance a little.  It's sounding good.  You know that there is a chance that some numpty could drive into the back of you on a roundabout, but do you buy another car just in case that happens? Or, do you wait 'til somebody drives into the back of the car and then spend their insurance money on a new motor?
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Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2021, 07:44:42 AM
I would love us to go get Aouar that's being linked with Arsenal and Liverpool. A player that would show that while Jack might have gone, Villa are looking up not shown and will find a way forward.
Leicester have lost players. Liverpool lost Sterling to Man City. Arsenal have too. Their budget is totally different to every other club. What we have to do is go and buy 4/5 players that will get in our team. A top centre mid, a top winger, a number ten. Proper competition for Ollie. We do that, in spite of Jack going I reckon we'll move forward. There are terrific players out there. Look at Rafinha at Leeds last season. The players being linked are 22/23. Get them right, with our youngsters, in 2 years time they won't need to move. And Jack will be kicking himself.
Bang on: too many jazz hands here at the moment. Nice to read some common sense.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 07:52:53 AM
Sarr has huge potential. He and Cantwell are both wingers though, so you would think if we are going for Ward Prowse now, then we are looking for a more solid 3 in the middle with genuine wide players. Buendia, Traore, Sarr and Cantwell gives you 4 very decent wide players to mix and match. It must be Sarr or Bailey though, as you don't buy both.

Still think Bissouma type holding mid is needed too.

Would like to see a loan to buy type deal for Van Der Beek too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2021, 08:45:22 AM
Still think Bissouma type holding mid is needed too.

Would like to see a loan to buy type deal for Van Der Beek too.

Two good shouts there.  Locatelli is still available too.
If we do lose Grealish it’s vital we try and improve another position on the pitch as no attacking midfielder will be able to replace him.  A defensive midfield upgrade is where one addition could really increase the sum of the parts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Vegas on July 31, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
I’d quite like both Sarrs that have been linked, although I can’t say I know much about the one in France.
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Post by: Lsvilla on July 31, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I’d quite like both Sarrs that have been linked, although I can’t say I know much about the one in France.
Not sure Sarrs2 is what we need.
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Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2021, 08:50:34 AM
We’d get lots of goals from the confusion amongst opposition players when their coach instructs them to mark Sarr.
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Post by: murgsy on July 31, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
IF we lose Grealish to City, would anyone take one of Mahrez or Bernardo as makeshift?
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 09:22:07 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
IF we lose Grealish to City, would anyone take one of Mahrez or Bernardo as makeshift?
makeweight !
No it never seems to work out as it’s pretty demoralising for the player.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on July 31, 2021, 09:27:14 AM
The only player who might keep me remotely interested in next season is if we signed Saint Maximin.

Here's £45m rising to £50m you sports direct ****.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 31, 2021, 09:34:11 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

Desperately underwhelming, I agree. I just fervently hope you are wrong, mate.
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Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2021, 09:53:13 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

So the scouting system is not working because we've signed a player from Norwich? Jesus, what's the matter with people.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2021, 09:54:34 AM
I want Maddison.  Unfortunately his price to us will have just gone up by 30% and the only reason he may have considered joining is about to sign for City.

Let’s hope we can do a Leicester and find some gems.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
IF we lose Grealish to City, would anyone take one of Mahrez or Bernardo as makeshift?
makeweight !
No it never seems to work out as it’s pretty demoralising for the player.
I don’t think either would come and as Chicago says if they did their heads wouldn’t be right.
But in any other circumstances absolutely I’d take either.
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

So the scouting system is not working because we've signed a player from Norwich? Jesus, what's the matter with people.

If you buy one player from Norwich, that's one thing. If you buy two, basically hoping their Championship attack will get you top 6, you're either very lucky or you haven't been perspicacious enough.

But you think we can achieve our stated ambitions exclusively with second tier talent when our rivals are signing stars from Sevilla? Jesus, some people.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 10:14:19 AM
Bernardo is a super player. Would love him at Villa, but he is never going to come.

Sarr would be a really good signing. Liverpool are after him for a reason. I am with you on Cantwell though Monty, I am not convinced. I would sooner see us go for someone like Damsgaard that has that potential to kick on.
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Post by: algy on July 31, 2021, 10:18:43 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

So the scouting system is not working because we've signed a player from Norwich? Jesus, what's the matter with people.

If you buy one player from Norwich, that's one thing. If you buy two, basically hoping their Championship attack will get you top 6, you're either very lucky or you haven't been perspicacious enough.
I guess like that time we were promoted with Mings, Grealish and McGinn in the side. Or we signed Watkins & Konsa from Brentford. Ridiculous to think that a Championship side might have more than one half decent player.
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Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

So the scouting system is not working because we've signed a player from Norwich? Jesus, what's the matter with people.

If you buy one player from Norwich, that's one thing. If you buy two, basically hoping their Championship attack will get you top 6, you're either very lucky or you haven't been perspicacious enough.

But you think we can achieve our stated ambitions exclusively with second tier talent when our rivals are signing stars from Sevilla? Jesus, some people.

But you're acting as if that's exactly what is going to happen. Last time I heard, we were trying to buy a lad from Germany and Southampton's best player. Some people just need to calm down.
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 31, 2021, 10:25:38 AM
We've done what every promoted team hopes for - safety and then consolidation - probably beaten expectations.

The owners have also spent more than most teams in the whole of European football.

It's time to give them some slack. I'm sure we'll have some bloody good players coming in.
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
It's just, fuck me, what are we paying the scouts for? Have we really scoured the world and concluded that Brentford and Norwich are the only places to find talent? Nothing against Sarr or Cantwell, but if Jack goes we'll need to go all out to replace him well enough to attack that vulnerable top 6-8 this season, and we'd have the resources to do it. Instead, 'let's consolidate midtable'? If this is our idea of replacing him, frankly no wonder Jack's leaving.

So the scouting system is not working because we've signed a player from Norwich? Jesus, what's the matter with people.

If you buy one player from Norwich, that's one thing. If you buy two, basically hoping their Championship attack will get you top 6, you're either very lucky or you haven't been perspicacious enough.
I guess like that time we were promoted with Mings, Grealish and McGinn in the side. Or we signed Watkins & Konsa from Brentford. Ridiculous to think that a Championship side might have more than one half decent player.

Mings who we signed from the Premier League?

And obviously there are good players down there, I'm saying that I find the near-exclusive focus on it incredibly limited and limiting. For years we wondered why other clubs signed a Watkins and we missed out, and it's good we don't anymore, but I still wonder why other clubs sign quality from abroad at lower cost than English-based players and we don't. I think looking to the Championship to replace the Jack-shaped hole in our team is to me thoroughly underwhelming. Mid-table thinking, in my view.

I should say Leon Bailey does look a very exciting signing, and I'm very happy to see it attempted. It just makes the relentless Eng-ger-land focus elsewhere all the more baffling.

Clampy, it's who John Percy said our targets are. And also, are we trying to sign Ward-Prowse? £25m is a bid nobody could possibly believe would be expected. Either someone's not living in the real world or they thought insulting Southampton of a Friday sounded fun.

And by the way, why this assumption that criticising something isn't calm? I'm having a lovely morning, I just don't like the reports about my football team. I'm not the one who responded to a disagreement with a 'Jesus, what's the matter with people', making it personal. Maybe you should calm down about reading different opinions, might have to get used to it on the internet.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
I've lost all interest really. It's a bit like looking for an expensive upgrade on your suspension when you've just sold your engine. Cantwell no. He'd get slaughtered, he even looks like Jack. Need to change everything around formation wise imo
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2021, 10:30:29 AM
I don’t come on here to see common sense. 🤣
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 10:31:21 AM
I'm with Monty. If Jack goes, I want a big name in. By all means get Cantwell or somebody, but just make sure there's a Locatelli in there too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 10:37:39 AM
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 10:39:24 AM
Fuck that. We still have ridiculously wealthy owners, and they're about to get another 100 million to spend.
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.

Well, fair enough if you've given up, but that doesn't square with what NSWE have been telling us or what they've been spending. If they're still committed financially, I don't want to waste that opportunity. We've been here before.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 10:45:38 AM
Agree with cdbullyweefan. We're not gonna get similar to jack unless we're in the Top4 even with the money. We can't even get Arsenal youth players.
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Post by: aev on July 31, 2021, 10:46:28 AM
I'm with Monty. If Jack goes, I want a big name in. By all means get Cantwell or somebody, but just make sure there's a Locatelli in there too.

That would be great, but let’s be realistic. It looks like we can’t get one of our own to believe in the “project/plan”, so why would they?

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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
I don't think it's about megastars though, or even (only) about the Championship origin. I think Buendìa is a very exciting signing indeed. Cantwell, though, it just looks like we haven't been looking hard enough, or have an irrational bias toward domestic players.
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Post by: OzVilla on July 31, 2021, 10:54:50 AM
Fuck that. We still have ridiculously wealthy owners, and they're about to get another 100 million to spend.

Wouldn’t it give us room within FFP to spend a truck load more too?
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 10:58:23 AM
I don't think it's about megastars though, or even (only) about the Championship origin. I think Buendìa is a very exciting signing indeed. Cantwell, though, it just looks like we haven't been looking hard enough, or have an irrational bias toward domestic players.

I don't think he's a bad player really. It's the psychological aspect of putting someone who looks and plays like he does, in the same place as a player or more likely the "myth" of the player he's got no chance of matching up to. When yer lead singer leaves get the drummer, bass player or the guitarist to sing and draft in someone to play their parts.  Much better than getting a shit lookalike singer to take over
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Post by: robleflaneur on July 31, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
We improved in 2020 after the season in the Championship.We improved last season.We will be better this season.And I can see us keeping on improving .The personnel might change but it will still be Aston Villa , a very good team with wonderful fans in a brilliant stadium.
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 11:01:20 AM
I don't think it's about megastars though, or even (only) about the Championship origin. I think Buendìa is a very exciting signing indeed. Cantwell, though, it just looks like we haven't been looking hard enough, or have an irrational bias toward domestic players.

I don't think he's a bad player really. It's the psychological aspect of putting someone who looks and plays like he does, in the same place as a player or more likely the "myth" of the player he's got no chance of matching up to. When yer lead singer leaves get the drummer, bass player or the guitarist to sing and draft in someone to play their parts.  Much better than getting a shit lookalike singer to take over

Well, it's not just psychological if your attempt at replacement is a clear downgrade. As others have said, Jack is replaced by us by a change as the best player of his type is actually him. Cantwell isn't bad or anything. He'd just be accepting our fate and knowing our place.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 31, 2021, 11:01:29 AM
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 11:05:14 AM
Even if we do get him we will still have to negotiate a price for the gourd.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 11:07:09 AM
I don't think it's about megastars though, or even (only) about the Championship origin. I think Buendìa is a very exciting signing indeed. Cantwell, though, it just looks like we haven't been looking hard enough, or have an irrational bias toward domestic players.

I don't think he's a bad player really. It's the psychological aspect of putting someone who looks and plays like he does, in the same place as a player or more likely the "myth" of the player he's got no chance of matching up to. When yer lead singer leaves get the drummer, bass player or the guitarist to sing and draft in someone to play their parts.  Much better than getting a shit lookalike singer to take over

Well, it's not just psychological if your attempt at replacement is a clear downgrade. As others have said, Jack is replaced by us by a change as the best player of his type is actually him. Cantwell isn't bad or anything. He'd just be accepting our fate and knowing our place.

yep. I'd veer well away from it. Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.

JWP is a free-kick specialist. Will we get as many free kicks without Grealish? I agree £25m was an insult.
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Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2021, 11:12:41 AM
... Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status.
But we probably already have the like-for-like player in Buendia; a pretty decent footballer.
If Jack goes I'm guessing we won't try and replace him, we'll buy 2-3 good players in positions that reinforce what we already have: cover for Watkins, another midfielder (ideally, JWP) and a winger. Players like McGinn, Luiz, Traore and Chuk might well see JG's departure (if it happens) as an opportunity to play an even bigger part in our team next season; not a bad outcome from a shitty situation.
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Post by: PeterWithe on July 31, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
Just as an aside £25m is about 2 years season ticket income for us.
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Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
Even if we do get him we will still have to negotiate a price for the gourd.

10 for that you must be mad.
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Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
I don't think we need to get upset and uppity just because John Percy mentioned Cantwell as a possibilty. He threw a few names about in that piece he wrote. Let's just see what happens before we get even more uppity.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 11:18:14 AM
How do we attract top players when we're a mid table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.

Well, fair enough if you've given up, but that doesn't square with what NSWE have been telling us or what they've been spending. If they're still committed financially, I don't want to waste that opportunity. We've been here before.

It wouldn't be me that had given up, but the club. Not just saying that we can't ever hope to compete with Man City but that we can't realistically compete with Tottenham, who haven't rolled over, either. Fuck it, even Crystal fucking Palace have managed to hold onto their best player.

I've been one of the most ambitious on here. Hold onto Grealish and strengthen elsewhere and we can have a go at top four maybe even this season.

Sell Grealish and we've given up. If we get players good enough to get us close, so what? The clubs above us in the pecking order will just buy them off us again.

Cantwell and Sarr are much better than "mediocre" and would be good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2021, 11:21:17 AM
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 11:22:54 AM
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.

Well, fair enough if you've given up, but that doesn't square with what NSWE have been telling us or what they've been spending. If they're still committed financially, I don't want to waste that opportunity. We've been here before.

It wouldn't be me that had given up, but the club. Not just saying that we can't ever hope to compete with Man City but that we can't realistically compete with Tottenham, who haven't rolled over, either. Fuck it, even Crystal fucking Palace have managed to hold onto their best player.

I've been one of the most ambitious on here. Hold onto Grealish and strengthen elsewhere and we can have a go at top four maybe even this season.

Sell Grealish and we've given up. If we get players good enough to get us close, so what? The clubs above us in the pecking order will just buy them off us again.

Cantwell and Sarr are much better than "mediocre" and would be good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table.

Mediocrity is relative. In the general scheme of things they're both extremely good. In Premier League terms, though, they're just okay, nothing to get excited about. As you say, good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table, which is nicely damning.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 11:24:17 AM
... Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status.
But we probably already have the like-for-like player in Buendia; a pretty decent footballer.
If Jack goes I'm guessing we won't try and replace him, we'll buy 2-3 good players in positions that reinforce what we already have: cover for Watkins, another midfielder (ideally, JWP) and a winger. Players like McGinn, Luiz, Traore and Chuk might well see JG's departure (if it happens) as an opportunity to play an even bigger part in our team next season; not a bad outcome from a shitty situation.

Again, I think he's a very good player. I'm not sure he'd suffer the direct comparisons Cantwell would because we obviously bought him to play with Grealish imo . Plus he doesn't look like an Lidl-Jack like Cantwell. I'm sort of warming to the idea of not going out this summer with 100m and just throwing money everywhere in a panic and then regret it when they don't work out through lack of thought. I think we'll probably finish about where we did last season this season as we are now, so maybe consolidate and use the bulk of the money in Jan or next summer.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 11:25:35 AM
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?

Could be any of them, we're fair game. No intention of breaking into the top 6 or top 4. Clubs who do that don't sell their only world class player.

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Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2021, 11:41:24 AM
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.

JWP is a free-kick specialist. Will we get as many free kicks without Grealish? I agree £25m was an insult.

He’s scored 11 in c.120 games. About 1 per 11 games.

Beckham’s record was 18 in the Premier League.
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Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
  Ads do you spend much time in Villa backrooms?  You certainly seem to know a lot of what goes on behind closed doors, don't you?  I think you should all chill the fuck out and wait and see what occurs.  Frankly, reading the same thing over and over and over again is dull.

  We certainly are at some kind of crossroads but that is true every year, we were doing this last year with Spurs/Man Utd and Grealish.  We aren't a one player club and we will not be getting relegated without Jack.  Hopefully we will be pushing for Europe with him.  We are just going to have to wait and see.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 11:45:31 AM
Sorry am I supposed to us selling our best player, yet again as anything but accepting our place in the pecking order? What exactly am I waiting for? This is abject weakness and will damage the club in the short, medium and long term.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
Ads is passionate and smart. This one cuts deeper because the player involved professed to be one of us and yet we have had three summers of 'will he won't he'.
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Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?

Could be any of them, we're fair game. No intention of breaking into the top 6 or top 4. Clubs who do that don't sell their only world class player.

99% sure there’s a release clause which means we have no choice if City offer the required figure. No way would he have signed a new 5 year contract without it. Let’s hope it is £100m rather than something less
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
That's it. He spoke about the club like I would, could have sat by me in the Holte and took it all in with such sincerity. We're at an absolute cross roads where another season of similar progression would create a paradigm shift for us. Open doors to even better quality players and possibly Europe. And we can't do any of that without him.

He has the power to change the fate of the club for good or bad. How the fuck can a Villa fan shit all over that? It doesn't compute, it doesn't make sense, unless you accept it was all hollow, empty lies.
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Post by: algy on July 31, 2021, 11:59:12 AM
That's it. He spoke about the club like I would, could have sat by me in the Holte and took it all in with such sincerity. We're at an absolute cross roads where another season of similar progression would create a paradigm shift for us. Open doors to even better quality players and possibly Europe. And we can't do any if that without him.

He has the power to change the fate of the club for good or bad. How the fuck can a Villa fan shit all over that? It doesn't compute, it doesn't make sense, unless you expect it was all hollow, empty lies.
As this whole things gone on, I'm coming more and more in to alignment with Ads here.

You said this was your club, your city. Show it, or fuck off. But do the latter and you'll not be welcome here again.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 12:00:53 PM
That's it. He spoke about the club like I would, could have sat by me in the Holte and took it all in with such sincerity. We're at an absolute cross roads where another season of similar progression would create a paradigm shift for us. Open doors to even better quality players and possibly Europe. And we can't do any if that without him.

He has the power to change the fate of the club for good or bad. How the fuck can a Villa fan shit all over that? It doesn't compute, it doesn't make sense, unless you expect it was all hollow, empty lies.
As this whole things gone on, I'm coming more and more in to alignment with Ads here.

You said this was your club, your city. Show it, or fuck off. But do the latter and you'll not be welcome here again.

Exactly where I am.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
I am a one-eyed villa fan, I could only name a handful of Man City or Liverpool players.

I bought into Jack as a villa man but this is the third year in a row where it looks like he wants to jump shift/stiff us for even more money. We stood by him when he was young and prone to the odd miss-step. We have developed him into the player he is. This saga stinks and Grealish is the one person who could end it. Ultimately, he is the player.
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Post by: Rory on July 31, 2021, 12:05:19 PM
That's it. He spoke about the club like I would, could have sat by me in the Holte and took it all in with such sincerity. We're at an absolute cross roads where another season of similar progression would create a paradigm shift for us. Open doors to even better quality players and possibly Europe. And we can't do any if that without him.

He has the power to change the fate of the club for good or bad. How the fuck can a Villa fan shit all over that? It doesn't compute, it doesn't make sense, unless you expect it was all hollow, empty lies.
As this whole things gone on, I'm coming more and more in to alignment with Ads here.

You said this was your club, your city. Show it, or fuck off. But do the latter and you'll not be welcome here again.

Pretty much how I feel, also.

The most worrying thing to me is not whether we technically can continue building without him, but look at the mood on here - the arguments, the passions, the anger.

Something has been stirred up here that we'll be taking into the new season, and that kind of baggage rarely augurs well.

The question won't be as simple as 'how do we play without him', it'll be how do we put this behind us and get our heads in the right place for what will be a long and pivotal season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
Underwhelming as it may be, statistically Perreira would be a good signing. Creative and gets goals.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:06:00 PM
He isn't the one person who could end it. Whoever answers the phone when Man City ring to place a bid can end it straight away by saying "he's not for sale".

Harry Kane hasn't made any public declarations of love for Tottenham but he is still likely staying and will most likely score at least 25 goals for them again next season.

Because Tottenham haven't bottled it.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:13:57 PM
I don't think we bottled it. I think we had no choice once the £100m came in.

Besides, if we did bottle it, the player could still say he doesn't want to leave his boyhood club.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:14:35 PM
You have a choice, you can say "no", like Tottenham have.
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Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2021, 12:14:41 PM
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?

Could be any of them, we're fair game. No intention of breaking into the top 6 or top 4. Clubs who do that don't sell their only world class player.


Leicester
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:15:18 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 31, 2021, 12:15:50 PM
With or without Grealish, the number one priority as far as new signings are concerned should be getting in a striker of proven quality, to play either with or in place of Ollie Watkins, it being unrealistic to simply assume that Watkins will maintain the form he showed last season and/or steer clear of injuries, given the workload that would be expected of him in the absence of another decent striker.
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Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.
Didn't keep Kante, Mahrez Maguire or Chillwell though.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:17:30 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.

I believe there was a £100m release clause. We wanted that to remain private but the agent told City. That's my reading.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.

I believe there was a £100m release clause. We wanted that to remain private but the agent told City. That's my reading.

Dean Smith said there was no release clause. So do you think he was lying or lied to?

There not being a release clause seems more likely to me.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2021, 12:20:53 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.

I believe there was a £100m release clause. We wanted that to remain private but the agent told City. That's my reading.

Dean Smith said there was no release clause. So do you think he was lying or lied to?

There not being a release clause seems more likely to me.
yep, seems people are hanging on to the release clause argument, there has been no indication whatsoever and Smith said there wasn’t.
Does it make people feel better about it or something?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:20:55 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.
Didn't keep Kante, Mahrez Maguire or Chillwell though.

Yes but kept the most important. If Grealish goes we will have sold ours. And, you know, they won the league. We look set to wave the white flag having managed nothing other than an InterToto and a Peace Cup since John Major was Prime Minister.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.

I believe there was a £100m release clause. We wanted that to remain private but the agent told City. That's my reading.

Dean Smith said there was no release clause. So do you think he was lying or lied to?

There not being a release clause seems more likely to me.

To be honest i'd fully expect him to lie about it. I would. You're protecting the club at the end of the day. You don't want it to be public knowledge do you?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:25:09 PM
There would be no point in lying. Other clubs will know if there's a release clause, that's what agents are for.

If the club says there is no release clause, Dean Smith says there is no release clause and no reliable source says there is a release clause, most likely scenario, taking out Occam's Razor... there is no release clause.

If we have accepted an offer it is because we have chosen to do so not because we were forced.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
There would be no point in lying. Other clubs will know if there's a release clause, that's what agents are for.

If the club says there is no release clause, Dean Smith says there is no release clause and no reliable source says there is a release clause, most likely scenario, taking out Occam's Razor... there is no release clause.

If we have accepted an offer it is because we have chosen to do so not because we were forced.

Well they're saying gentlemen's agreement now. Amounts to the same thing really. but allows Smith to "lie"

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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:27:51 PM
Vinnie on the Grealish thread says 'verbal agreement' about bids north of £100m and that City came in for Grealish on the same day Grealish's agent told Villa he wanted to talk to City.
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Post by: Tuscans on July 31, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
I'm not sure about how many mangers actually know the ins and outs of the contract details of their players. Do managers really care about any of that? And if Smith has said no, Jack hasn't got a release clause then he's probably just fed up of being asked the most repetitive, tedious questions on a daily basis so says no, and can move on.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
There would be no point in lying. Other clubs will know if there's a release clause, that's what agents are for.

If the club says there is no release clause, Dean Smith says there is no release clause and no reliable source says there is a release clause, most likely scenario, taking out Occam's Razor... there is no release clause.

If we have accepted an offer it is because we have chosen to do so not because we were forced.

Well they're saying gentlemen's agreement now. Amounts to the same thing really. but allows Smith to "lie"

In 1998 we learned the player has all the power. That is even more so the case now. The club would have reluctantly shook on the £100m thing hoping it didn't come up but the dirty agent will have told City if you bid £100m they have to let the client talk to you about a deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 12:38:17 PM
There would be no point in lying. Other clubs will know if there's a release clause, that's what agents are for.

If the club says there is no release clause, Dean Smith says there is no release clause and no reliable source says there is a release clause, most likely scenario, taking out Occam's Razor... there is no release clause.

If we have accepted an offer it is because we have chosen to do so not because we were forced.

Well they're saying gentlemen's agreement now. Amounts to the same thing really. but allows Smith to "lie"

In 1998 we learned the player has all the power. That is even more so the case now. The club would have reluctantly shook on the £100m thing hoping it didn't come up but the dirty agent will have told City if you bid £100m they have to let the client talk to you about a deal.

yeah, its obvious this has all been Grealish/Agent led. He should have come out  in May and been honest he wanted to go if a bid came in like Kane did. Instead he chose to go down the smoke and mirrors route and hoped he could keep his "Villa through and through" tag. Well good luck with that one.....
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
I’m as bereft as I was the day after Brexit day, The only transfer that comes close to being as gutting as this one was the departure of Andy Gray. PFA player of the year and young player of the year in the same season. We recovered and improved, we can do so again. He on the other hand didn’t do much.
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Post by: villainabroad on July 31, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
That's it. He spoke about the club like I would, could have sat by me in the Holte and took it all in with such sincerity. We're at an absolute cross roads where another season of similar progression would create a paradigm shift for us. Open doors to even better quality players and possibly Europe. And we can't do any if that without him.

He has the power to change the fate of the club for good or bad. How the fuck can a Villa fan shit all over that? It doesn't compute, it doesn't make sense, unless you expect it was all hollow, empty lies.
As this whole things gone on, I'm coming more and more in to alignment with Ads here.

You said this was your club, your city. Show it, or fuck off. But do the latter and you'll not be welcome here again.

I completely agree with this view. I've been a Villa fan over 40 years. I spent a few days in denial, but as all the info is leaked out it really seems like he's going.

Two days ago I would have said: I think he's going but I really hope he isn't. Now, I think he's going, and I really hope he is. Jack and his advisors could have managed this differently if they'd wanted to. All of us on here are aware of what a crucial season this is for us, and Jack will be too. All of us know what he means to the club, and to the current work being done by Deano and the rest of the team. I was initially just gutted because he might be leaving - like I have been with a lot of players - but this feels different, beyond that. Much worse than Hodge, Yorke or any others I remember. It's because we had this last summer to some extent (even 2019), and now this summer too. And yet he's always sold it as 'my club', 'my city', and all that.

He's been one of the best (though not *the* best) players I've seen in a Villa shirt. He's been brilliant for us, of course he has, but I will not applaud him as a City player. I wouldn't welcome him back to VP, not this season or in future. It's not his club anymore while he's playing. I wonder if I'm alone in being afraid it might get a bit nasty? That's the scary side of it - I've never seen emotions run so high among Villa fans.

So I now think it's best that he goes. I've already had enough of this, however great he's been for us in the last few years. We just have to make sure we get behind the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 12:45:26 PM
"The player has all the power" is such a cop out. Harry Kane still plays for Tottenham. Doug Ellis could have kept Dwight Yorke, he chose to take the coward's way out. I thought those days were behind us. It seems that they aren't. We can expect the same amount of "success" in the next two decades as we have had since selling Yorke if this is the way we are going to act whenever one of our players is approached by a club above us in the pecking order.
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Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2021, 12:46:32 PM
I’m as bereft as I was the day after Brexit day, The only transfer that comes close to being as gutting as this one was the departure of Andy Gray. PFA player of the year and young player of the year in the same season. We recovered and improved, we can do so again. He on the other hand didn’t do much.

He would have missed the Wolves v Forest League Cup Final too for a suspension had Wolves not had an FA Cup semi-final replayed the Wednesday before.
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Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2021, 12:48:25 PM
Andy Gray won the League, the FA Cup, the League Cup and the Cup Winner’s Cup after leaving us. That’s hardly shabby.
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Post by: Dave on July 31, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
Leicester kept Vardy.
Didn't keep Kante, Mahrez Maguire or Chillwell though.

Yes but kept the most important. If Grealish goes we will have sold ours.

They only kept him because Vardy chose to stay. Leicester accepted Arsenal's offer in 2016, and Vardy chose not to go.

Grealish can still do that if he wants to. But that's a comparison between Grealish and Vardy, not Villa and Leicester.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
"The player has all the power" is such a cop out. Harry Kane still plays for Tottenham. Doug Ellis could have kept Dwight Yorke, he chose to take the coward's way out. I thought those days were behind us. It seems that they aren't. We can expect the same amount of "success" in the next two decades as we have had since selling Yorke if this is the way we are going to act whenever one of our players is approached by a club above us in the pecking order.

Sorry, but this is wrong. Gregory said he decided to sell Yorke because of how he downed tools at Everton. Remember that, maybe you are too young but he didn't try a leg he sulked? The same season a Forest player went on strike! The player had all the power then and this is more so the case now. How many unhappy players are kept? Kane may still move, the window hasn't shut. This was engineered by the agent not the club.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:03:07 PM
We could have kept Yorke. Tottenham are keeping Kane. Grealish has four years left on his contract. If he goes, we have bottled it. "The player has all the power" is a blatant cop out which is demonstrably untrue as shown by the other high profile transfer target this summer.

If Villa turn down a bid for Jack Grealish, he will be a Villa player. It really is that simple.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
We could have kept Yorke. Tottenham are keeping Kane. Grealish has four years left on his contract. If he goes, we have bottled it. "The player has all the power" is a blatant cop out which is demonstrably untrue as shown by the other high profile transfer target this summer.

If Villa turn down a bid for Jack Grealish, he will be a Villa player. It really is that simple.

Ok. If you believe that.
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Post by: avfcpg on July 31, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
Gutting and disappointing if he went, we know that. He's world class and a Villa boy.
But if (big if I know) we took say £120 million and went and bought say Bailey, Abraham, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell (or similar players) with it, plus the kids and what we currently have, we'd be a lot stronger squad-wise, and not one injury away from a dip in form. 
It's a massive blow "IF" he goes, but there's always a bigger picture.
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Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2021, 01:06:58 PM
We could have kept Yorke. Tottenham are keeping Kane. Grealish has four years left on his contract. If he goes, we have bottled it. "The player has all the power" is a blatant cop out which is demonstrably untrue as shown by the other high profile transfer target this summer.

If Villa turn down a bid for Jack Grealish, he will be a Villa player. It really is that simple.

Ok. If you believe that.

It’s literally true as a matter of logic that if we turn down the bid he will be a Villa player.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
We could have kept Yorke. Tottenham are keeping Kane. Grealish has four years left on his contract. If he goes, we have bottled it. "The player has all the power" is a blatant cop out which is demonstrably untrue as shown by the other high profile transfer target this summer.

If Villa turn down a bid for Jack Grealish, he will be a Villa player. It really is that simple.

Ok. If you believe that.

You don't believe Harry Kane wants to leave Tottenham?

When you make sweeping statements such as "players have all the power", you only need one exception to disprove the argument. Harry Kane disproves your argument. You don't really have anywhere to go after that.
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 31, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
We could have kept Yorke. Tottenham are keeping Kane. Grealish has four years left on his contract. If he goes, we have bottled it. "The player has all the power" is a blatant cop out which is demonstrably untrue as shown by the other high profile transfer target this summer.

If Villa turn down a bid for Jack Grealish, he will be a Villa player. It really is that simple.

Ok. If you believe that.

It’s literally true as a matter of logic that if we turn down the bid he will be a Villa player.



And it's not like he can chuck his toys out the pram. Any player that does that is ruining any potential future move. The way to deal with it is re Barry
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
So I think there seemingly a real possibility Leo Bailey to be signed and he's someone who plays across the front gives us the pace , mobility and flexibility. He like Buendia will upgrade the attack for tempo and movement on and off the ball. Both these players move off the ball far more than Grealish who wants the ball to carry but at his own tempo.
Fingers crossed he's one being brought in.
Plenty of reports are saying this will be the case
Bailey has played left wing and also as a right-winger and can frequently switch positions, allowing him to cut in from the right.

Encouraging also Bailey is also one of the fastest players in the Bundesliga. And is a natural dribbler
I read that He Has quick feet and acceleration help him beat a man in 1-v-1/s very easily, which coupled with his impressive close control makes him a good attacking option Another advantage of his incredible pace is difficult to track when he decides to make smart runs in and around the box and ultimately be on the receiving end to a through-ball. Bailey thus proves to be a threat both in possession of the ball and off of it and provides for effective combination play.

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Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2021, 01:24:56 PM
I’d be very pleased with Bailey.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
Yeah, mon Bailey, cheer us up a bit.
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Post by: Ger Regan on July 31, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
Bailey and a truly creative AM and however shite grealish *potentially* leaving is, it could result in a much more balanced side.
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2021, 01:52:36 PM
I don't agree but if Grealish is going the only way the owners can come out of it without losing the trust of the fans is to to do exactly that, 3-4 £25-30m players is the minimum that needs to happen in the next 2 weeks if we don't want a black cloud over the club.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 02:00:24 PM
They need to make a statement with who we bring in.

That statement isn't shite like Todd "I have a wank first name (and I don't make much of this middle name either)" Cantwell
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Post by: Hairbandinho on July 31, 2021, 02:01:34 PM
The statement is made. We can't keep hold of a player no matter what the owners do.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2021, 02:06:26 PM
I don't agree but if Grealish is going the only way the owners can come out of it without losing the trust of the fans is to to do exactly that, 3-4 £25-30m players is the minimum that needs to happen in the next 2 weeks if we don't want a black cloud over the club.

Easier said than done. Timing is everything and I can't see too many teams willing to accept even inflated prices for players so close to the start of the new season and the close of the window. They themselves will want to bring in replacements and the teams they buy from may want to do the same.

Plus, try bringing in players without getting mugged when everybody knows you have £100m in your pocket. £35m for Harry Winks anyone?
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Post by: OCD on July 31, 2021, 02:10:28 PM
£30m+ for Winks was being talked about even before these latest developments. We keep wanting to shop at home but we all know there's a premium for players in this country. Either be prepared to pay more or pick players from abroad and give them time to settle.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 02:19:31 PM
Heh, Winks and Cantwell. The Samaritans will be making a public appeal for more operators.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2021, 02:20:33 PM
Don't mind Cantwell but Winks is absolutely terrible.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
Kamara is it from Marseille is much better than Winks and only £15m
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 02:25:22 PM
Don't mind Cantwell but Winks is absolutely terrible.

Yep.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2021, 02:25:44 PM
Don't mind Cantwell but Winks is absolutely terrible.

Absolutely
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 31, 2021, 02:27:41 PM
I don't agree but if Grealish is going the only way the owners can come out of it without losing the trust of the fans is to to do exactly that, 3-4 £25-30m players is the minimum that needs to happen in the next 2 weeks if we don't want a black cloud over the club.



All that does is spend his money. Aren't we meant to be a force that's closing the gap like a steam train
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2021, 02:35:43 PM
I don't agree but if Grealish is going the only way the owners can come out of it without losing the trust of the fans is to to do exactly that, 3-4 £25-30m players is the minimum that needs to happen in the next 2 weeks if we don't want a black cloud over the club.



All that does is spend his money. Aren't we meant to be a force that's closing the gap like a steam train

Which is why it's the minimum.
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Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2021, 02:38:53 PM
I don't agree but if Grealish is going the only way the owners can come out of it without losing the trust of the fans is to to do exactly that, 3-4 £25-30m players is the minimum that needs to happen in the next 2 weeks if we don't want a black cloud over the club.



All that does is spend his money. Aren't we meant to be a force that's closing the gap like a steam train

More like a Morris Minor taking 5 minutes to get up to 60.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2021, 02:58:29 PM
£30m+ for Winks was being talked about even before these latest developments. We keep wanting to shop at home but we all know there's a premium for players in this country. Either be prepared to pay more or pick players from abroad and give them time to settle.

I'm guessing here but I'd hope all the talk was coming from Spurs. The price certainly was unless it was an error with a zero added at the end.
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Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2021, 03:18:48 PM
Winks is shit.

If we lost Grealish this summer and wasted 30% of the fee signing that donkey then it would just about sum up where we are heading. Nowhere, fast.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 03:20:15 PM
Winks is shit.

If we lost Grealish this summer and wasted 30% of the fee signing that donkey then it would just about sum up where we are heading. Nowhere, fast.

Reminds me of back when (I think) Paul Lambert was managing us, I phoned the ticket office to buy tickets (funnily enough) and the hold music was "We're on the Road to Nowhere". They weren't fucking kidding.
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Post by: john e on July 31, 2021, 03:24:13 PM
Winks is shit.

If we lost Grealish this summer and wasted 30% of the fee signing that donkey then it would just about sum up where we are heading. Nowhere, fast.

Reminds me of back when (I think) Paul Lambert was managing us, I phoned the ticket office to buy tickets (funnily enough) and the hold music was "We're on the Road to Nowhere". They weren't fucking kidding.

I went to a vehicle launch in Sweden with all the dealer representatives on the way out they were playing ‘tell me lies tell me sweet little lies’
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 03:25:07 PM
😁
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Post by: jwarry on July 31, 2021, 03:31:49 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1421478520157581317?s=21

Yay good news at last!
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 03:32:11 PM
Any hope of catching Arsenal are far disappearing. In talks to sign Martinez from Inter. After White, that would be an incredible buy. We need to pull our finger out and get 4/5 in.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 03:32:38 PM
See. That was quick lol.
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
White isn't as good as Konsa. Not particularly arsed about that and would be miffed at us spanking £50m on somebody if his ilk.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Don't know much about this Bailey. Is he any good?
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2021, 03:46:45 PM
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Don't know much about this Bailey. Is he any good?

Hes very fast and direct. Had very similar stats to Sancho last season in the same league. I think he got 9g 9a in 2000 minutes and sancho was 8g 12a in the same game time.
He is fast and quite constant. I'm incredibly excited to see him in the claret and blue thats for sure.

I've been in a state of shock since I got home last night and this has lifted my mood massively

https://youtu.be/sCXBZ4Q5AHA
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 31, 2021, 03:48:51 PM
Still think we need a specialist DM to allow the likes of SJM, Doug or Sansom to play further up the park.
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Post by: MalcolmP on July 31, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Still think we need a specialist DM to allow the likes of SJM, Doug or Sansom to play further up the park.
Nakamba?
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Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
Quote

Hes very fast and direct. Had very similar stats to Sancho last season in the same league. I think he got 9g 9a in 2000 minutes and sancho was 8g 12a in the same game time.
He is fast and quite constant. I'm incredibly excited to see him in the claret and blue thats for sure.

I've been in a state of shock since I got home last night and this has lifted my mood massively

Thanks mate. Sounds decent!
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Post by: Monty on July 31, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Honestly, this is a seriously exciting move amid all the sad stuff.
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Post by: astonvilla82 on July 31, 2021, 04:01:11 PM
Disgusted we have paid 30 million for bailey,we will never catch up with the like of Man City if we don't start paying at least 100 million, what kind of ownership have we got
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2021, 04:03:37 PM
Would not be surprised if a fee for JWP is not agreed in the next 48 hours either. £40m + add ons.
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Post by: LukeJames on July 31, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 31, 2021, 04:06:04 PM
Would not be surprised if a fee for JWP is not agreed in the next 48 hours either. £40m + add ons.

If it is, then I think Jack stays.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.

Nice one, well in
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Post by: Jimsta on July 31, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.
Yes i noticed on page one you called it, Fair play.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 31, 2021, 04:40:31 PM
Any hope of catching Arsenal are far disappearing. In talks to sign Martinez from Inter. After White, that would be an incredible buy. We need to pull our finger out and get 4/5 in.

Martinez would be some signing, not sure of the appeal to join them from his point of view though. If true the reports of them being skint appear to be somewhat unfounded.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
Can you play Buendia, Traore and Bailey in the same team? Or do we still need a decent/consistent version of Barkley to play in the middle behind Ollie?
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Post by: Dave on July 31, 2021, 04:45:41 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.

You were on it earlier than that...

Probably bullshit social media speculation but a few places saying Leeds are after Leon Bailey from Leverkusen.

If (and its a massive if) theres any truth in that then we should be all over that. He'd be my perfect signing for us this summer.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
Can you play Buendia, Traore and Bailey in the same team? Or do we still need a decent/consistent version of Barkley to play in the middle behind Ollie?
Yes Buendia 10 , Bailey and Traroe wide forwards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.

You were on it earlier than that...

Probably bullshit social media speculation but a few places saying Leeds are after Leon Bailey from Leverkusen.

If (and its a massive if) theres any truth in that then we should be all over that. He'd be my perfect signing for us this summer.

We have a new winner...

Would look to the Bundesliga. Watched Leverkusen-Dortmund at the weekend which was a great game.

Surely we could get Kevin Volland? Has nearly a 1 in 2 record for Leverkusen but 27 so I reckon they'd cash in this summer. Also Leon Bailey would fit well into English football and we need a quick player in the front 3.

All this talk about Piatek and in the end he went to a Bundesliga relegation threatened team so we need to start setting our sights a big higher from the summer imo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on July 31, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.

I'm claiming full responsibility for this one.

Now Camavinga please.

You were on it earlier than that...

Probably bullshit social media speculation but a few places saying Leeds are after Leon Bailey from Leverkusen.

If (and its a massive if) theres any truth in that then we should be all over that. He'd be my perfect signing for us this summer.

I'm buzzing about this one to be fair. I feel he's exactly what we have been missing out wide.

Now if we could somehow get Jack to stay and link them up..............
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
Darren Randolph for a back up squad goalie selection.
David Luiz defender /midfielder
JWP midfielder
Cantwell Midfielder
Abraham Striker
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 04:55:22 PM
Assuming JG goes, there have to be better options from overseas than Cantwell, whose name is all over Twitter in regard to us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 31, 2021, 04:55:42 PM
Darren Randolph for a back up squad goalie selection.
David Luiz defender /midfielder
JWP midfielder
Cantwell Midfielder
Abraham Striker

You not learnt your lesson when it comes to suggesting David Luiz 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😉
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2021, 04:56:24 PM
I mentioned Leon Bailey to my nan about 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 05:00:03 PM
Darren Randolph for a back up squad goalie selection.
David Luiz defender /midfielder
JWP midfielder
Cantwell Midfielder
Abraham Striker

You not learnt your lesson when it comes to suggesting David Luiz 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😉

We. Need someone of this ilk and some experience
One of those positions need a wiser head
Will have to think on for another in the defender come midfielder role. And I rather have him than Callum Chambers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 05:04:00 PM
I'd rather have neither. Sideshow Bob is fucking wank.
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Post by: frank black on July 31, 2021, 05:08:06 PM
Darren Randolph for a back up squad goalie selection.
David Luiz defender /midfielder
JWP midfielder
Cantwell Midfielder
Abraham Striker

You not learnt your lesson when it comes to suggesting David Luiz 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😉

We. Need someone of this ilk and some experience
One of those positions need a wiser head
Will have to think on for another in the defender come midfielder role. And I rather have him than Callum Chambers.

Luiz is a liability
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on July 31, 2021, 05:10:56 PM
Nakamba is better than Luiz. Luiz is better than Luiz...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 05:16:04 PM
Most people on this forum are better than David Luiz.
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2021, 05:18:53 PM
Most people on this forum are better than David Luiz.

Most of us definitely aren't so clown-ish.
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Post by: Des Little on July 31, 2021, 05:19:13 PM
David Luiz is a bomb scare. A very expensive bomb scare.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: adrenachrome on July 31, 2021, 05:22:15 PM
Nakamba is better than Luiz. Luiz is better than Luiz...

Luiz is a very good player on his day. Too bad that these days don't often coincide with our games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 05:53:34 PM
We should be targeting French-based players. The Ligue 1 TV money has dried up with an ongoing court case between the LFP and broadcasters, who are refusing to shell out. Clubs need cash.

Camavinga would be a great start.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 31, 2021, 05:55:02 PM
Can you play Buendia, Traore and Bailey in the same team? Or do we still need a decent/consistent version of Barkley to play in the middle behind Ollie?

Dean has a nasty habit of playing players out of position so it wouldn't surprise me. Ideally we find a player that can orchestrate the attacks behind Ollie, somebody like, erm I don't know..Jack Grealish?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 31, 2021, 05:56:28 PM
We should be targeting French-based players. The Ligue 1 TV money has dried up with an ongoing court case between the LFP and broadcasters, who are refusing to shell out. Clubs need cash.

Camavinga would be a great start.

Haven’t Amazon(?) bought 80% of the rights for the same price that the other broadcaster paid for 20%?
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Post by: john e on July 31, 2021, 05:59:18 PM
Fantastic trolling by footy some of you guys never learn

Keep it coming for matey You’re doing a grand job

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 31, 2021, 06:00:43 PM
We should be targeting French-based players. The Ligue 1 TV money has dried up with an ongoing court case between the LFP and broadcasters, who are refusing to shell out. Clubs need cash.

Camavinga would be a great start.

Haven’t Amazon(?) bought 80% of the rights for the same price that the other broadcaster paid for 20%?

Yeah but while the LFP was hoping for a billion euros, they've ended up with barely two thirds of that.

Also, Ligue 1 is being cut to 18 clubs in 2023.
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Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2021, 06:00:59 PM
Most people on this forum are better than David Luiz.

If anything, ‘most people’ is understating it significantly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
Can you play Buendia, Traore and Bailey in the same team? Or do we still need a decent/consistent version of Barkley to play in the middle behind Ollie?

Dean has a nasty habit of playing players out of position so it wouldn't surprise me. Ideally we find a player that can orchestrate the attacks behind Ollie, somebody like, erm I don't know..Jack Grealish?

Sell him for £100 million, but insert a buy back clause of £5 million. As soon as he's signed, we "swoop" and get him back. Buy Alvarez and a centre forward with the the change and we still have enough left over to get that massive gold plated jacuzzi I've been wanting them to install in the Lower Holte.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on July 31, 2021, 06:17:03 PM
I mentioned Leon Bailey to my nan about 5 years ago.
Did she sign him up?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on July 31, 2021, 06:38:55 PM
A little uncharacteristic for villa to announce a signing on a Saturday, no?

and do me a favor, watch Bailey's match vs Dortmund and tell me there aren't shades of jack in that display.

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Post by: Richard E on July 31, 2021, 06:46:43 PM
Jack who?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2021, 06:49:58 PM
You get the feeling any positive news they can push out before the inevitable they will.

If we can convince Ward Prowse and Bailey it improves the team no end. Backup for Ollie, and a good holding mid would be nice.

I think Cantwell may well be a lazy link.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 06:50:19 PM
Jack who?

Bless you.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
I'd rather we tried Carney Chukwuemeka over Cantwell.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
You get the feeling any positive news they can push out before the inevitable they will.

If we can convince Ward Prowse and Bailey it improves the team no end. Backup for Ollie, and a good holding mid would be nice.

I think Cantwell may well be a lazy link.

And a centre-half and right back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2021, 07:51:51 PM
"The player has all the power" is such a cop out. Harry Kane still plays for Tottenham. Doug Ellis could have kept Dwight Yorke, he chose to take the coward's way out. I thought those days were behind us. It seems that they aren't. We can expect the same amount of "success" in the next two decades as we have had since selling Yorke if this is the way we are going to act whenever one of our players is approached by a club above us in the pecking order.

Kane set to force his move according to the Torygraph.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2021, 08:02:16 PM
A little uncharacteristic for villa to announce a signing on a Saturday, no?

and do me a favor, watch Bailey's match vs Dortmund and tell me there aren't shades of jack in that display.



We should sign Florian Wirtz while we're talking to them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on July 31, 2021, 08:12:04 PM
Wirtz was the reason they were happy to let Havertz move on, the €90m probably helped too. He's there Golden Boy.
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Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2021, 08:13:27 PM
Wirtz was the reason they were happy to let Havertz move on, the €90m probably helped too. He's there Golden Boy.

Yep. And he can replace our golden boy.
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Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2021, 08:16:25 PM
I'd rather we tried Carney Chukwuemeka over Cantwell.
Defo.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 08:18:24 PM
I'd rather we tried Carney Chukwuemeka over Cantwell.
Defo.

I don't want to be relying too much on Chucky. He's a babby,  if he plays fifteen games he'll have done brilliantly. We need a better squad.
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Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 31, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Looks like he plays on the left, so Bailey, Emi, Bert as the attacking 3 assuming Jack does go.

Not bad  at all - but it would look so much better if we had Bailey,Grealish, Emi

We can but hope
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Post by: OCD on July 31, 2021, 08:24:42 PM
He's left footed and Smith likes his inverted wingers so he'll play on the right. German watchers will be able to confirm but I think he did the same job at Leverkusen.
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Post by: Ian. on July 31, 2021, 08:28:57 PM
I'd rather we tried Carney Chukwuemeka over Cantwell.
Defo.

I don't want to be relying too much on Chucky. He's a babby,  if he plays fifteen games he'll have done brilliantly. We need a better squad.
Cantwell will be a great back up for those days Jack’s shins hurt. Sign him up. Chucky will be playing just behind. Sorted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2021, 08:31:44 PM
Locatelli is a proper DM and available for £34m according to the daily mail (I looked so you don’t have to).  Juventus cannot afford the fee, so it is just Arsenal and liverpool left bidding .  We should offer £35+.  He may never come but it’ll force LiverArse to increase their bids.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 31, 2021, 08:39:25 PM
Locatelli is a proper DM and available for £34m according to the daily mail (I looked so you don’t have to).  Juventus cannot afford the fee, so it is just Arsenal and liverpool left bidding .  We should offer £35+.  He may never come but it’ll force LiverArse to increase their bids.

That would be a statement signing, bloody good player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on July 31, 2021, 08:39:36 PM
If you are still feeling depressed read this and I’m sure it will cheer you up. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leon-bailey-transfer-villa-newcastle-21195326
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Post by: steamer on July 31, 2021, 08:47:14 PM
poor old Jaawdies
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 31, 2021, 09:07:20 PM
Locatelli is a proper DM and available for £34m according to the daily mail (I looked so you don’t have to).  Juventus cannot afford the fee, so it is just Arsenal and liverpool left bidding .  We should offer £35+.  He may never come but it’ll force LiverArse to increase their bids.

That would be a statement signing, bloody good player.

Good chef too
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Post by: Villa Lew on July 31, 2021, 10:09:19 PM
Can't remember the last time there's been such a low and high on one of our transfer windows, get it done Villa.
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Post by: ExclDawg on July 31, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?
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Post by: olaftab on July 31, 2021, 10:29:49 PM
No. Its all good and we have added an excellent player to our growing squad.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2021, 10:29:52 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 10:31:50 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

I suggested a new song. Nobody seemed to like it very much. Has been quite an upsetting day, as you can imagine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on July 31, 2021, 10:32:19 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!
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Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2021, 10:34:21 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!

Oh, and there was one other thing....
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 10:35:45 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!

Oh, and there was one other thing....

Yes. Chubbo Johnson is due to have his ?th child. Horrible business.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2021, 10:37:49 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!

He meant Bailey was on his way to Villa, mate.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2021, 10:44:15 PM
If Jack does stay, having Bailey, Buendia, Ollie, Bert etc makes picking my fantasy team a bitch. Have to somehow include one of our goalie or defence also. Such a problem to have.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2021, 10:47:24 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!

Oh, and there was one other thing....

Yes. Chubbo Johnson is due to have his ?th child. Horrible business.

For fucks sake, really? Another mouth to feed at the taxpayers expense, will no doubt commission a solid gold crib for it.

I say chemical castration for fat, ridiculously coiffured liars, though fromm mental image you may be cutting on the first two.
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Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2021, 10:54:34 PM
How has he found time to shag in a pandemic?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 10:59:37 PM
So, I've been out today ... did I miss anything?

Leon Bailey on the way in

Alright!! Him and Jack will link up great!

Oh, and there was one other thing....

Yes. Chubbo Johnson is due to have his ?th child. Horrible business.

For fucks sake, really? Another mouth to feed at the taxpayers expense, will no doubt commission a solid gold crib for it.

I say chemical castration for fat, ridiculously coiffured liars, though fromm mental image you may be cutting on the first two.

If that's another Chiles reference we're *this* close to falling out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 01, 2021, 02:48:37 AM
If you are still feeling depressed read this and I’m sure it will cheer you up. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leon-bailey-transfer-villa-newcastle-21195326

It really did cheer me up somewhat. Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2021, 07:20:24 AM
If you are still feeling depressed read this and I’m sure it will cheer you up. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leon-bailey-transfer-villa-newcastle-21195326

It really did cheer me up somewhat. Cheers.


Man, 10m to spend? You'd think after being handed a transfer budget from 1998, Bruce would get the message.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
A friend in Italy said there has been some speculation over there linking us with Dalsgaard.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2021, 09:59:11 AM
Damsgaard?

I would love us to get him. Think he's more suited to us than Cantwell.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
It’s heating up! Some good players linked
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Post by: exigo on August 01, 2021, 10:21:21 AM
We're loaded. Let's sign Dalsgaard and Damsgaard.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2021, 10:22:30 AM
Damsgaard?

I would love us to get him. Think he's more suited to us than Cantwell.

I might have the wrong one.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2021, 10:25:43 AM
Yes, he said the Sampdoria player.
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Post by: Shrek on August 01, 2021, 10:41:10 AM
Going forward we need to start selling players when it suits us.

El Ghazi I really love the guy, but I think his stock is the highest it will ever be right now. If we could get 15-20m for him, I’d sell.
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Post by: Shrek on August 01, 2021, 10:43:30 AM
Damsgaard looked real quality for Denmark in the euros, being linked with some top clubs, so good to be linked with him.
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Post by: algy on August 01, 2021, 10:52:09 AM
Going forward we need to start selling players when it suits us.

El Ghazi I really love the guy, but I think his stock is the highest it will ever be right now. If we could get 15-20m for him, I’d sell.
I agree. Particularly if we've got Damsgaard, Dalsgaard, and Dansgaard in our sights, we need to move AEG on whilst he's likely to attract a decent fee, not leave him to rot for 12 months then struggle to get back what we'd paid for him.

Love the guy to bits, but we do have a few wingers in the ranks now, and more on the horizon (eg JPB)
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 10:52:55 AM
Damsgaard is a bit more fucking like it.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 01, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
Is he the lad who scored the free kick against us in the Euros?
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Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2021, 11:02:27 AM
Yes, and the brilliant goal against Russia.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 01, 2021, 11:05:08 AM
Decent enough, although he’s no Noel Cantwell. Seems some really big clubs are looking at him, and Spurs.
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Post by: OCD on August 01, 2021, 11:44:21 AM
When we were first linked to Leon Bailey, there hadn't been a peep then there was suddenly quite a lot of noise. With players like Will Hughes, Todd Cantwell and Harry Winks, there's been some noise all summer but with nothing to suggest there's genuine interest.

With Damsgaard, I think he's a genuine number 10 and we seem to have Buendia planned as our 10 and Chukwuemeka as back-up and Bailey/Traore on the right. I think if we have to replace Grealish, it will be with a genuine wide forward of high quality.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 01, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Going forward we need to start selling players when it suits us.

El Ghazi I really love the guy, but I think his stock is the highest it will ever be right now. If we could get 15-20m for him, I’d sell.
I agree. Particularly if we've got Damsgaard, Dalsgaard, and Dansgaard in our sights, we need to move AEG on whilst he's likely to attract a decent fee, not leave him to rot for 12 months then struggle to get back what we'd paid for him.

Love the guy to bits, but we do have a few wingers in the ranks now, and more on the horizon (eg JPB)

I like El Ghazi but I am not sure we would get fifteen to twenty million for him.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 01, 2021, 12:12:18 PM
I wonder if this could be our approach?

“ Outside of baseball and American football, Moneyball has also proven that it has the capabilities to succeed in England’s top soccer divisions. Ever since Fenway Sports Group and John Henry took over Liverpool Football Club back in 2010, the reigning champions of Europe have adopted a numbers-focused approach to player recruitment.

Along with Michael Edwards, the club’s sporting director, Ian Graham has been behind several of the Reds’ recent transfers, including Naby Keita. According to Graham’s data, while the Guinean may have had a lower pass completion rate than some of Europe’s other elite midfielders, his passes would present teammates with better scoring opportunities.

Along with this season’s runaway Premier League leaders finding success in the approach, Championship side Brentford are also thriving in the competitive transfer market through their heavily analytics-driven strategy.

According to Transfermarkt, the Bees signed defender Ezri Konsa from Charlton for approximately £2.5 million in 2018, before then selling him one year later to Aston Villa, making them a profit of almost £10 million.

Moreover, the approach also saw them buy Ollie Watkins from Exeter City for a reported £1.8 million. This season, the 24-year-old is the joint-top scorer in the division with 19 goals at the time of writing and is a central factor as to why Brentford are 15/8 with Championship betting to finish in the top two come the end of the campaign as of February 4th.”
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Post by: OCD on August 01, 2021, 12:23:50 PM
Analytics does play a role in our recruitment process from what I can gather but it's only one element. There will still be in-person scouting and character checks done too.
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Post by: Tuscans on August 01, 2021, 12:42:16 PM
Gary Cahill has left Palace. Could be a decent shout to fill the gap.
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Post by: Border villan on August 01, 2021, 12:59:56 PM
Gary Cahill has left Palace. Could be a decent shout to fill the gap.

Slow down, Jack is still with us at present.
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Post by: Shrek on August 01, 2021, 01:00:16 PM
Going forward we need to start selling players when it suits us.

El Ghazi I really love the guy, but I think his stock is the highest it will ever be right now. If we could get 15-20m for him, I’d sell.
I agree. Particularly if we've got Damsgaard, Dalsgaard, and Dansgaard in our sights, we need to move AEG on whilst he's likely to attract a decent fee, not leave him to rot for 12 months then struggle to get back what we'd paid for him.

Love the guy to bits, but we do have a few wingers in the ranks now, and more on the horizon (eg JPB)

I like El Ghazi but I am not sure we would get fifteen to twenty million for him.

I look at it like this. If Villa were linked with him now, would we be happy? We’d all be saying how good his goals returns are, how good he is at pens and how often he shoots.

I think he could maybe be a makeweight for someone else as well, maybe Cantwell?
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Post by: Shrek on August 01, 2021, 01:00:45 PM
Gary Cahill feels like a free hit for 4th choice as well surely
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Post by: Drummond on August 01, 2021, 01:05:23 PM
Gary Cahill feels like a free hit for 4th choice as well surely

Yeah I wouldn't be unhappy with that. Plus he can play in the cup and score against that lot again.
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Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2021, 01:05:26 PM
I think he could maybe be a makeweight for someone else as well, maybe Cantwell?
Make weight? El Ghazi is far better than Cantwell.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2021, 01:16:45 PM
Damsgaard is a bit more fucking like it.

Two goals and four assists in 37 appearances with Sampdoria last season. That's worse than Stewart Downing.
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Post by: OCD on August 01, 2021, 01:18:15 PM
Like with Ashley Young, I would rather sign Cahill on a one-year deal, with the option of a second, than sign Tuanzebe. Then the likes of Bogarde and Bridge can go out on loan and see if they're ready in a year/2 years.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 01:19:22 PM
Though if Cahill has been released by Crystal poxy Palace, maybe he's not any good any more?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2021, 01:19:59 PM
Cahill will want first team football wherever he ends up.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 01:22:51 PM
Damsgaard is a bit more fucking like it.

Two goals and four assists in 37 appearances with Sampdoria last season. That's worse than Stewart Downing.

Samp were pretty defensive under Ranieri and didn't really suit Damsgaard. He's a very promising young player though, who passes the 'eye test' on talent.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2021, 01:25:42 PM
Damsgaard is a bit more fucking like it.

Two goals and four assists in 37 appearances with Sampdoria last season. That's worse than Stewart Downing.

Samp were pretty defensive under Ranieri and didn't really suit Damsgaard. He's a very promising young player though, who passes the 'eye test' on talent.

Isn't he a left winger?
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 01:26:45 PM
Damsgaard is a bit more fucking like it.

Two goals and four assists in 37 appearances with Sampdoria last season. That's worse than Stewart Downing.

Samp were pretty defensive under Ranieri and didn't really suit Damsgaard. He's a very promising young player though, who passes the 'eye test' on talent.

Isn't he a left winger?

I don't know about his politics.

Seriously though anyone can have a dodge season, especially at that age. Every time I've watched Damsgaard he's given me the impression of burgeoning quality though. I'm not saying world class, I'm saying I rate him more than Todd.
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Post by: andyh on August 01, 2021, 02:07:59 PM
Interesting comments from the Southampton manager. Preparing for someone to leave ?

SaintsExtra
@SaintsExtra
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Ralph Hasenhuttl: "It is getting more & more difficult these days to extend contracts with players. Time has changed. To become a legend at a club is not interesting anymore.”
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 02:09:15 PM
Danny Ings' contract expires next year and has been linked with half the world, including Villa. So probably him.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 01, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Danny Ings' contract expires next year and has been linked with half the world, including Villa. So probably him.

But JWP is the long-term "legend" player.
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Post by: john e on August 01, 2021, 02:21:30 PM
Interesting comments from the Southampton manager. Preparing for someone to leave ?

SaintsExtra
@SaintsExtra
 · 33m
Ralph Hasenhuttl: "It is getting more & more difficult these days to extend contracts with players. Time has changed. To become a legend at a club is not interesting anymore.”

Always makes me laugh when managers say the sort of things though
When in reality they are no different to the players

Soon as a bigger club comes along there off like a shot
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
Gary Cahill has left Palace. Could be a decent shout to fill the gap.

Tentatively agree.  Tentative depending on the quality of players coming through.
He’d be okay for a year to two I suspect,
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
Danny Ings' contract expires next year and has been linked with half the world, including Villa. So probably him.

But JWP is the long-term "legend" player.

Has a long term contract though so not certain they will have offered him a new one, whereas they're bound to have done with Ings.
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Post by: Smithy on August 01, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
I would have thought that following the club rejecting a £25m bid, the first thing his agent would do is ring the ceo and say “fine, but you better pay him like a £30m player then.”

I’d be VERY surprised if JWP doesn’t start the season with an improved contract, either with us, or from Saints.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 03:33:45 PM
Maybe, but he specially mentioned extending rather than improving the contract. JWP may well sign an improved contract. But Ings is the player who will most likely have to be sold if he doesn't sign one, so there is far greater urgency there.
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Post by: Smithy on August 01, 2021, 03:46:35 PM
Maybe, but he specially mentioned extending rather than improving the contract. JWP may well sign an improved contract. But Ings is the player who will most likely have to be sold if he doesn't sign one, so there is far greater urgency there.

Well, what sort of 20-something international “extends” their contract without improving it? The two go hand in hand, surely?

I’m not saying it definitely isn’t Ings, it absolutely could be, but I also wouldn’t rule out JWP given the phrasing.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 03:52:00 PM
Whether or not it is JWP being discussed, we're not going to get him unless we stop taking the piss with bids that we must know have 0% chance of being accepted.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
Whether or not it is JWP being discussed, we're not going to get him unless we stop taking the piss with bids that we must know have 0% chance of being accepted.

Our owners seem to have a pretty good track record with transfers.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 01, 2021, 03:57:41 PM
I think the £25m is to perhaps test the water and maybe unsettle him.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 03:58:37 PM
Whether or not it is JWP being discussed, we're not going to get him unless we stop taking the piss with bids that we must know have 0% chance of being accepted.

Our owners seem to have a pretty good track record with transfers.

And I'm delighted with it, but that bid was a bit of a pisstake.
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Post by: andyh on August 01, 2021, 04:02:09 PM
Twitter reporting Álvarez has rejected a move to Orlando, hoping to talk to villa
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 04:03:37 PM
Good stuff. Get it done.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 01, 2021, 04:03:46 PM
Twitter reporting Álvarez has rejected a move to Orlando, hoping to talk to villa

Seen this is a few places now with statements ranging from “in talks” with Villa, talks planned, or hopes to talk.

I think something might be going on there…

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Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2021, 04:05:43 PM
Looks like decent backup for Ollie. Got to think if Jack were to stay (unlikely as it is), and Alvarez and Bailey sign, El Ghazi may be available.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2021, 04:06:45 PM
There’s something wrong with the football food chain here, Orlando should not be signing young players from river plate.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Well, they aren't if he's turned them down.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2021, 04:12:55 PM
Maybe not, but I agree with the sentiment. Orlando having the money to buy players from River Plate is just weird
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 04:14:47 PM
South American club football is rubbish since they got rid of all the dictatorships. See also: Eastern Europe.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 04:16:44 PM
It is all wrong, for sure. I wonder if the South American leagues will ever recover to the levels they were once at. I watched highlights on Youtube the other day of Zico's Flamengo team absolutely twatting Liverpool 3-0 in the Intercontinental Cup in the early 80s. Can you imagine a player like Zico staying in Brazil these days beyond his teens? It's a bit sad really.

Eastern Europe also suffered from being splintered into too many countries. Yugoslavia can kick arse - Slovenia, Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina? Not so much. But that's where racism gets you.
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Post by: Dave on August 01, 2021, 04:19:39 PM
Eastern Europe also suffered from being splintered into too many countries. Yugoslavia can kick arse - Slovenia, Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina? Not so much. But that's where racism gets you.

Rather picking and choosing to make your point there I'd argue.

One former component of Yugoslavia appeared in the most recent World Cup final.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 04:21:11 PM
Eastern Europe also suffered from being splintered into too many countries. Yugoslavia can kick arse - Slovenia, Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina? Not so much. But that's where racism gets you.

Rather picking and choosing to make your point there I'd argue.

One former component of Yugoslavia appeared in the most recent World Cup final.

It's a fair point, but on the other hand - imagine how good they could be if they had a wider range of players to choose from?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
They'd be shit because they'd all hate each other. In any case, we were talking about club football. No theoretical post-Communist Czechoslovak or Yugoslav League would be able to hold onto their players if Premier League, La Liga or Serie A clubs wanted them any more than Sparta Prague and Red Star can now.

A massive former USSR League might have a better chance, but I can't see the Russians and Ukrainians sitting down to discuss it any time soon. The Armenians and Azeris might not be too keen, either.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 04:45:35 PM
Well, firstly this hypothetical Yugoslav league does depend on the (yes rather optimistic) idea that they don't hate each other - hence the continued existence of the country.

But it's a very complex set of dynamics which has led to our current league inequalities, one of which is prosperity of the country, another of which is just sheer size. There's no reason why Russia or Turkey can't compete now, actually, except for incompetence and disaster at governmental and sporting body level. On the other hand, Scotland is quite prosperous but just too small. So I don't think you need a former USSR league, but reform in Russia and Ukraine from pretty much top to bottom.

I do like the idea of other cross-border leagues though. Belgium + the Netherlands? Why not. More controversially, Austria+Hungary+Switzerland in a kind of Mitteleuropean megaracists' league? Of course, big clubs in those countries would be the major blockers, as they'd no longer be guaranteed top 3 finishes.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2021, 05:18:29 PM
I quite like the idea of cross border leagues to increase competition, so long as you could be relegated from them and the choice of founder members was based on league position and not some arbitrary, European Super League style idea, that teams should be in because they "deserve it".

Be-Ne-League seems likely to happen. There has been talk of a Scandinavian equivalent, too.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11906/12248000/eredivisie-belgian-clubs-vote-in-favour-of-cross-border-league-with-teams-from-the-netherlands

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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2021, 05:50:52 PM
Be-Ne-League seems likely to happen. There has been talk of a Scandinavian equivalent, too.

Think there already is a Swe-Den league.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 01, 2021, 06:09:13 PM
Corinthians could play in a League of Gentlemen
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Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2021, 06:14:33 PM
A scandinavian league was being heavily discussed when I was living in Norway 9 years ago. The biggest problem with it is that Norway and Sweden play summer leagues but Denmark is a winter league. The Danes prefer theirs as is because it lines up better for internationals, etc whereas the other 2 need to play a summer league because a number of clubs would struggle to put games on November-March.

Belgium-Netherlands would be much simpler to set up.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2021, 06:20:06 PM
They'd be shit because they'd all hate each other.

If I was drinking coffee it would probably be all over my screen right now.
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Post by: dave shelley on August 01, 2021, 07:04:22 PM
I seem to recall that there was initially some concern that there could be problems between Savo Milosevic and Mark Bosnich when Savo joined Villa.  Savo being Serbian and Bosnich being of Croatian origin.  Thankfully no such problems arose.  I don't think I imagined that.
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Post by: Monty on August 01, 2021, 07:37:14 PM
I quite like the idea of cross border leagues to increase competition, so long as you could be relegated from them and the choice of founder members was based on league position and not some arbitrary, European Super League style idea, that teams should be in because they "deserve it".

Be-Ne-League seems likely to happen. There has been talk of a Scandinavian equivalent, too.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11906/12248000/eredivisie-belgian-clubs-vote-in-favour-of-cross-border-league-with-teams-from-the-netherlands

Good stuff, I'd be well up for this. Football is a game based on cities, and it's a bit ridiculous that cities like Brussels and Amsterdam can't pay for as good players as Burnley or Southampton. Not that I'm against the underdog of course, but come on.
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Post by: KevinGage on August 01, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
I seem to recall that there was initially some concern that there could be problems between Savo Milosevic and Mark Bosnich when Savo joined Villa.  Savo being Serbian and Bosnich being of Croatian origin.  Thankfully no such problems arose.  I don't think I imagined that.

Well there's dogma.

And then there's people.

McGrath and Stormin' Norman Whiteside got on like a house on fire, for example.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on August 01, 2021, 07:47:46 PM
They'd be shit because they'd all hate each other. In any case, we were talking about club football. No theoretical post-Communist Czechoslovak or Yugoslav League would be able to hold onto their players if Premier League, La Liga or Serie A clubs wanted them any more than Sparta Prague and Red Star can now.

A massive former USSR League might have a better chance, but I can't see the Russians and Ukrainians sitting down to discuss it any time soon. The Armenians and Azeris might not be too keen, either.

Yeah, it wouldn't be the first war started over a football result.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 01, 2021, 08:29:28 PM
I think he could maybe be a makeweight for someone else as well, maybe Cantwell?
Make weight? El Ghazi is far better than Cantwell.
in a side that is pushing for top 6 then neither make the starting eleven.
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Post by: Drummond on August 01, 2021, 10:15:27 PM
Be-Ne-League seems likely to happen. There has been talk of a Scandinavian equivalent, too.

Think there already is a Swe-Den league.

Nor way would that work.
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Post by: Risso on August 01, 2021, 10:20:39 PM
South American club football is rubbish since they got rid of all the dictatorships. See also: Eastern Europe.

We were much better before women got the vote.
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Post by: Richard E on August 01, 2021, 10:22:36 PM
South American club football is rubbish since they got rid of all the dictatorships. See also: Eastern Europe.

We were much better before women got the vote.

I often say to Mrs E that married men should have two votes, because their wife will vote as instructed anyway.

I will end my days as the victim of a domestic homicide.
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 01, 2021, 10:45:32 PM
I always like to look at other fans points of view




Norwich can extend Todd Cantwell contract by a year......so he would have 2 years left
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 01, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
I always like to look at other fans points of view




Norwich can extend Todd Cantwell contract by a year......so he would have 2 years left



he came across quite well , you have to feel for them if we take 2 of their best players,,   man city’s fault
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Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2021, 11:23:20 PM
Yeah, likeable chap. Surprised he dismisses the value of Grealish out of hand. He's done far more than Cantwell in both top divisions in England and is proving himself at international level. Cantwell also only has a year left on his deal compared to four for Jack. If Grealish does leave and we went for Toddy, I'd baulk at £40m for Cantwell.

I agree with him when he says Buendia being cheaper doesn't make sense. British player-premium, I guess. If it does happen, it will mean Brentford and Norwich fans will either have us as their second team, having secured the financial futures of their clubs, or - realistically, hate us for taking their best players of recent times (plus Scott Hogan).
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 01, 2021, 11:36:25 PM
Yeah, likeable chap. Surprised he dismisses the value of Grealish out of hand. He's done far more than Cantwell in both top divisions in England and is proving himself at international level. Cantwell also only has a year left on his deal compared to four for Jack. If Grealish does leave and we went for Toddy, I'd baulk at £40m for Cantwell.

I agree with him when he says Buendia being cheaper doesn't make sense. British player-premium, I guess. If it does happen, it will mean Brentford and Norwich fans will either have us as their second team, having secured the financial futures of their clubs, or - realistically, hate us for taking their best players of recent times (plus Scott Hogan).


The Cantwell price will be that now due to the Grealish links. Clubs selling to us will now be increasing the prices due to us either receiving or set to receive £100 million
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Post by: FatSam on August 02, 2021, 12:04:44 AM
It's obviously complex (and only peripherally relevant to the discussion), but as well as population size and prosperity, I think significant factors that have negatively affected Eastern European football have been fewer restrictions on numbers of foreign players per team, the rise of satellite TV, as well as loss of social infrastructure, and of traditional funding mechanisms for clubs.

I'm aware of the CSKA Sofia that beat Bayern 4-3 in Sofia in the first leg of the 81/82 European Cup semi final (having already knocked Liverpool out) before capitulating 4-0 in Munich. All of their players were Bulgarian, with only a handful of Bulgarians played abroad during this period. There was a system of specialised sports schools in the country that collapsed after the changes. At the time, CSKA were affiliated with the MOD, but were subsequently owned by a series of increasingly dodgy businessmen before going bust in 2015, and effectively reformed and readmitted to the league using Litex Lovech's licence. Few people in Sofia would now watch CSKA over a foreign match on satellite TV, and their current (mostly journeyman) squad of 11 different nationalities won't be qualifying for, let alone making the semi-final of the CL any time soon.

Croatia had market-based socialism as part of Yugoslavia, and more of it's social infrastructure remains in place, which perhaps means that the systems of player development have remained intact.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2021, 12:15:51 AM
Interesting post FS. I've nothing to add except to say that whenever I see Litex Lovech mentioned I'm reminded of Lene Lovich's Lucky Number.
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Post by: FatSam on August 02, 2021, 12:56:37 AM
Interesting post FS. I've nothing to add except to say that whenever I see Litex Lovech mentioned I'm reminded of Lene Lovich's Lucky Number.
I can see how that might happen!
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Post by: sid1964 on August 02, 2021, 06:19:58 AM
Litex Lovech sounds like an Eastern European Durex brand.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 02, 2021, 06:55:08 AM
Litex Lovech sounds like an Eastern European Durex brand.
or a bottle of Eastern European lager
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 02, 2021, 07:04:32 AM
Jesus, 40m for Cantwell? He's not worth that with 5 years left on his contract. Use the money to get someone better and cheaper from abroad. We've already managed it with Bailey after all.
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Post by: frank black on August 02, 2021, 07:38:30 AM
Cantwell is inconsistent, if he were consistent then he’d be up there with Jack. Personally I really like him as a player, but then again I also rated Iwobi so what do I know?! 😂
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Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2021, 08:00:14 AM
Perhaps Cantwell will add more consistency. Its a big maybe though. On his day he's brilliant. I'd have him as cover for Grealish injuries and suspensions but £40m (I see it being nearer £30m plus add-ons in reality) is probably a bit high for that.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2021, 08:01:36 AM
Maddison for 50? Much better bet than Cantwell?
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Post by: dubaivillain on August 02, 2021, 08:08:44 AM
Interesting post FS. I've nothing to add except to say that whenever I see Litex Lovech mentioned I'm reminded of Lene Lovich's Lucky Number.
I can see how that might happen!

I saw her singing at a festival in Spain a few years ago, she didn’t seemed to have changed at all since 1979!.  Other acts on the bill were Doctor Robert (formerly of the Blow Monkeys) who seemed to have morphed into cracker-era Robbie Coltrane.   And headlining was the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, complete with a flaming colander perched on top his head, you’ll be relieved to know.
There was somebody else on the bill who I struggle to remember, it’ll come to me later
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2021, 08:16:29 AM
Maddison for 50? Much better bet than Cantwell?
That would be the way I'd be spending Wes and Nas's dosh!
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Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2021, 08:17:39 AM
Interesting post FS. I've nothing to add except to say that whenever I see Litex Lovech mentioned I'm reminded of Lene Lovich's Lucky Number.
I can see how that might happen!

I saw her singing at a festival in Spain a few years ago, she didn’t seemed to have changed at all since 1979!.  Other acts on the bill were Doctor Robert (formerly of the Blow Monkeys) who seemed to have morphed into cracker-era Robbie Coltrane.   And headlining was the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, complete with a flaming colander perched on top his head, you’ll be relieved to know.
There was somebody else on the bill who I struggle to remember, it’ll come to me later

Dr Robert is still with The Blow Monkeys.
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Post by: dubaivillain on August 02, 2021, 08:24:00 AM
At the time he wasn’t, I don’t think.  But I have seen him since with the reformed band as well.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 02, 2021, 08:51:59 AM
I heard that Leicester want £70 million for Madison😳
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 08:52:02 AM
Maddison for 50? Much better bet than Cantwell?

Surely he'd go for much, much more than that? £80m plus I reckon.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 08:53:33 AM
There's something about Maddison that makes me think he's a twat. Good player though.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 02, 2021, 09:00:56 AM
Dr. Robert, Arthur Brown and Toni Bazil for me. Also, Smokie if they have a contract clause.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2021, 09:02:33 AM
I would pay £60 for Maddison, but he's never going to come if we have just sold Jack.
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Post by: Ian. on August 02, 2021, 09:05:33 AM
Maddison for 50? Much better bet than Cantwell?

Surely he'd go for much, much more than that? £80m plus I reckon.
Was he nursing injuries last season as he was often subbed or a none starter when I saw them play.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2021, 09:11:28 AM
plus he's a knobhead.
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
There's something about Maddison that makes me think he's a twat. Good player though.

I think he's quite similar to Grealish in enjoying a good night out.
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Post by: Dave on August 02, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
Maddison for 50? Much better bet than Cantwell?

Surely he'd go for much, much more than that? £80m plus I reckon.
Was he nursing injuries last season as he was often subbed or a none starter when I saw them play.

Didn't he spend a bit of time on the naughty step because of lockdown breaches?
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 02, 2021, 09:14:35 AM
What was his falling out with Rodgers all about?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 09:15:29 AM
He doesn't have any of Grealish's charm*.

*My view of this charm may change later.
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 09:18:37 AM
What was his falling out with Rodgers all about?

He and a couple of others breached Covid guidelines, then his form went to pot a bit. His last goal was in February (against us, naturally) and in most games he either started and was subbed, or came on as a sub.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 02, 2021, 09:51:00 AM
I like Cantwell, but for me he's a £30m player and no more.  He's inconstent and anyway Buendia is significantly better.  But I'd certainly take him if Jack goes if it was a decent fee.  Imagine how Norwich would feel if we took their two best players in one summer though, just as they're hoping to stay up.  If I was them I wouldn't sell him for any price if they have that extra year option on his contract.

I'd absolutely love Maddison and think he's well worth £50m.  But if we get £100m for Jack Leicester will want £60-£70m of that for Maddison and it just doesn't stack up at those figures for me.

I like JWP, but am struggling to see what we want to do with him.  I don't think he would be happy as a pure DM.  I think Southamption desperately want to keep him and have other players thay can sell if they need cash (which  don't think they do).

My big fear is we sell Jack for £100m and only get pocket change back after signing JWP and Cantwell.  For me that would be awful business.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
Damsgaard link is a welcome one. He's got huge potential and is very young.
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Post by: frank black on August 02, 2021, 10:08:09 AM
Damsgaard link is a welcome one. He's got huge potential and is very young.

Agreed, but we definitely need the finished article to replace Jack.
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 10:11:19 AM
Damsgaard link is a welcome one. He's got huge potential and is very young.

Strange looking lad though, going prematurely bald as well, so less likely to get the middle aged woman vote as Grealish.
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Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Damsgaard link is a welcome one. He's got huge potential and is very young.

Strange looking lad though, going prematurely bald as well, so less likely to get the middle aged woman vote as Grealish.

He reminds me of Dominic Cummings.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2021, 10:18:42 AM
Damsgaard link is a welcome one. He's got huge potential and is very young.

Strange looking lad though, going prematurely bald as well, so less likely to get the middle aged woman vote as Grealish.

Never hurt Robben at Chelsea or Bayern. He's a very odd looking bugger. Thing is, you said to me Jack is choosing to go and there is no option to keep him, but you get Buendia, Bailey, Damsgaard and Ward Prowse in return, I'd have probably accepted it. I know we are some way off that, but it's still a much stronger squad
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Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 10:36:34 AM
What was his falling out with Rodgers all about?

He and a couple of others breached Covid guidelines, then his form went to pot a bit. His last goal was in February (against us, naturally) and in most games he either started and was subbed, or came on as a sub.

I think that was due to him being plagued by niggly injuries and Leicester having very good players in their first team while he's been struggling with his fitness.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 02, 2021, 10:41:34 AM
plus he's a knobhead.
why is he?
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 02, 2021, 11:02:27 AM
plus he's a knobhead.
why is he?
Maddison?

I think he comes accross superbly.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12193040/maddison-a-psychological-boost
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Post by: OCD on August 02, 2021, 11:05:48 AM
Here's one of those Demsgaard reports - http://sportwitness.co.uk/necessary-sacrifice-aston-villa-set-make-maxi-offer-player-sale-pushed-forward/.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 02, 2021, 11:16:11 AM
worry about buying a player after a good tournament
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 02, 2021, 11:19:18 AM
plus he's a knobhead.
why is he?
Maddison?

I think he comes accross superbly.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12193040/maddison-a-psychological-boost


absolutely , what a breath of fresh air in an interview
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 11:20:00 AM
Here's one of those Demsgaard reports - http://sportwitness.co.uk/necessary-sacrifice-aston-villa-set-make-maxi-offer-player-sale-pushed-forward/.

"with it said Villa have already written their offer down, ‘sealed the envelope’ and now just have to present it to the Serie A club."

That's a new take on the "preparing a bid" descriptions! Just needs Purslow to nip down to the post office, get it weighed, and ask how much guaranteed delivery to Italy is.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2021, 11:23:15 AM
Brilliant isn't it. How many ways can you write... This is pure speculation and we know nothing... This is a new one, and I like the creativity behind it.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2021, 11:23:40 AM
Here's one of those Demsgaard reports - http://sportwitness.co.uk/necessary-sacrifice-aston-villa-set-make-maxi-offer-player-sale-pushed-forward/.

"with it said Villa have already written their offer down, ‘sealed the envelope’ and now just have to present it to the Serie A club."

That's a new take on the "preparing a bid" descriptions! Just needs Purslow to nip down to the post office, get it weighed, and ask how much guaranteed delivery to Italy is.

£6.85
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Post by: walsall villain on August 02, 2021, 11:27:39 AM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.
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Post by: Concrete Tom on August 02, 2021, 11:37:16 AM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!
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Post by: walsall villain on August 02, 2021, 11:40:18 AM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!
I’m in denial
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 11:40:54 AM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!

Rumours from Villa Park that bid not received as nobody can find any toner.
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Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 11:42:37 AM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!

Rumours from Villa Park that bid not received as nobody can find any toner.

And it got lost in a sheaf of adverts for car rentals and cheap holidays.
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 02, 2021, 12:47:56 PM
Update from Craig Butler who is Leon Bailey Agent / Manager




It's a long video so go to

12:40 stuff regarding medical
39:00 stuff on the Villa and Dean Smith and then Leon ring his agent about PCR test
50:00 stuff on the Villa squad

Background video on Leon Bailey



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Post by: Keeno on August 02, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
plus he's a knobhead.
why is he?
Maddison?

I think he comes accross superbly.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12193040/maddison-a-psychological-boost

Forgot about that interview - class.
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Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2021, 01:03:35 PM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!

Rumours from Villa Park that bid not received as nobody can find any toner.

Is it true that Doug used to shake the toner when it was running low rather than buy a new one?
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Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
That's just efficiency innit.
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Post by: Zouch Villa on August 02, 2021, 01:21:34 PM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

Bit late for that isn’t it? The bid has already come in!

Rumours from Villa Park that bid not received as nobody can find any toner.

Is it true that Doug used to shake the toner when it was running low rather than buy a new one?

I believe he also used to steam the postage stamps off to re-use.
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Post by: KevinGage on August 02, 2021, 02:54:19 PM
Brilliant isn't it. How many ways can you write... This is pure speculation and we know nothing... This is a new one, and I like the creativity behind it.

We use 'surprise bags' now to announce our intentions, according to Leverkusen fans.

So this doesn't ring true.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 02, 2021, 03:52:12 PM
How do bids arrive these days? Is there a 1980’s fax machine whirring away at B6? If so, unplug it quickly.

It wouldn't surprise me. I'm on hold, ten minutes so far.
Come on ticket office!
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Post by: Damo70 on August 02, 2021, 03:57:40 PM
If it was an either/or situation I would be surprised if Citeh were more interested in Jack than Kane because Citeh have far more midfield strength already but need to strengthen in the striking department.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2021, 04:08:43 PM
Matheus Pereira has just told Twitter he wants out of the Boggies: https://twitter.com/MatheusPereira/status/1422203670775611392

I think we are after bigger fish and in any event, any move to Villa would have been done by now if we were interested.
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Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 04:16:16 PM
Every tweet linked to today is being swiftly deleted! So what did Pereira say, the poor mite?
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Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2021, 04:24:19 PM
He said he'd been offered a great opportunity a couple of weeks ago..... and not happy.

Also said he's been trying very hard and not happy with people suggesting he isn't.....
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Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2021, 04:25:43 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/zV5hM7d/E7yusv-QXIAg-Da-LZ.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zV5hM7d)
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
Every tweet linked to today is being swiftly deleted! So what did Pereira say, the poor mite?

For some reason I can't upload the statement, though the link in my post above works fine.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 02, 2021, 05:25:24 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/zV5hM7d/E7yusv-QXIAg-Da-LZ.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zV5hM7d)


Good grief.  The last two sentences in that first paragraph are something else!
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Post by: Moonraker on August 02, 2021, 05:41:13 PM
He's committed to Albion..... but wants to leave.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2021, 06:27:57 PM
I hope we don't buy him. I don't want to give those tassel shoe wearing wankers a drip of piss off my bell, never mind any money.
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Post by: jwarry on August 02, 2021, 07:06:40 PM
Livremento gone to Saints apparently
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Post by: CT on August 02, 2021, 08:24:52 PM
I hope we don't buy him. I don't want to give those tassel shoe wearing wankers a drip of piss off my bell, never mind any money.

It’s always annoying when people sit on the fence with their views 😉
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Post by: Dave P on August 02, 2021, 08:33:28 PM
I hope we don't buy him. I don't want to give those tassel shoe wearing wankers a drip of piss off my bell, never mind any money.

Every so often, I see a phrase that makes me laugh for ages. This is one of them.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2021, 10:09:29 PM
I hope we don't buy him. I don't want to give those tassel shoe wearing wankers a drip of piss off my bell, never mind any money.
To quote Sir Les Patterson, Australian Cultural Attache: "I wouldn't give them the wind off my arse to cool their soup."
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Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2021, 10:20:16 PM
Grealish, Bailey, Buendia (with Traore in reserve) as a three behind Ollie Watkins. Mouthwatering. Lots of movement, pace and skill.
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Post by: OCD on August 02, 2021, 10:21:14 PM
That's four.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 02, 2021, 10:23:05 PM
That's four.

Spoilsport
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2021, 10:26:22 PM
That's four.

Well spotted, ever considered becoming a ref?
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Post by: OCD on August 02, 2021, 10:28:20 PM
Tried it the other day but the crowd kept giving me stick so I gave them all a yellow card.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2021, 10:29:49 PM
Actually think we could be better off playing 4-2-3-1.

Get the two in midfield right and we would score boat loads. UTV.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 10:33:46 PM
Actually think we could be better off playing 4-2-3-1.

Same for me:

Martinez

Buendia
Konsa
Mings
Bailey

Ward-Prowse
McGinn

Traore
Alvarez
Grealish

Watkins
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 02, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
Actually think we could be better off playing 4-2-3-1.

Same for me:

Martinez

Buendia
Konsa
Mings
Bailey

Luiz
McGinn

Grealish
Alvarez
Traore

Watkins


Still no 'like' button, ffs.
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Post by: Ads on August 02, 2021, 10:36:39 PM
Actually think we could be better off playing 4-2-3-1.

Same for me:

Martinez

Buendia
Konsa
Mings
Bailey

Ward-Prowse
McGinn

Traore
Alvarez
Grealish

Watkins


Alright Big Eck
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 10:36:51 PM
I forgot JWP so added him after your quote.
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Post by: Ads on August 02, 2021, 10:38:17 PM
Where do the goals come from?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 10:40:02 PM
Where do the goals come from?

I'm sending Martinez forward for corners.
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Post by: Ads on August 02, 2021, 10:58:11 PM
Sweeper keeper and 3 at the back?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 11:05:05 PM
Sweeper keeper and 3 at the back?

Come on now, let's not fall out in a non-politics thread.
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Post by: Ads on August 02, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
You can banish one thing into the 9th circle of hell; Bono or 3 at the back...your move.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2021, 11:13:09 PM
Hmmm.... can I send one to the 7th or 8th circle, at least?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2021, 02:55:10 AM
Who took over? Kevin Keegan? That team would ship 3 goals a game.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2021, 03:35:33 AM
Who took over? Kevin Keegan? That team would ship 3 goals a game.

Martinez wouldn’t let in 3 goals a game if me and my 11-year-old daughter were the centre-back pairing.
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Post by: jwarry on August 03, 2021, 06:31:03 AM
Damsgaard would be statement signing and would fit our style perfectly
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Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2021, 06:40:34 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane
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Post by: Ads on August 03, 2021, 06:48:52 AM
Watkins supports Arsenal.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2021, 07:04:06 AM
And he's from Devon.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 03, 2021, 07:09:47 AM
Yeah, but apart from that....
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 03, 2021, 07:17:45 AM
So Spurts sell Kane for 160m (reportedly) and then buy Watkins for 100m less?

He's not really thought this through has he?
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 03, 2021, 07:44:18 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane



We have more and enough to reject it
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Post by: Lsvilla on August 03, 2021, 07:47:11 AM
It’s a good way of Levy pretending to be spending the cash with no intention of actually doing so (a la Doug) before paying down debt on 1st September.
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Post by: nigel on August 03, 2021, 08:00:24 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane

They’re thinking of Ezri
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Post by: Ian. on August 03, 2021, 08:03:57 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane



We have more and enough to reject it

Wasn’t this the club he rejected to join us in the first place?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 03, 2021, 08:17:13 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane

They’re thinking of Ezri
Do they can't tell the difference between a centre back and centre forward?  Could be a tough season for them!
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Post by: CT on August 03, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
Spurs fan I was talking too reckons if Kane leaves then they will bid £60 - 70 million for Watkins, as he told me Watkins is a london lad and he and his family all support Spurs

Spurs will have plenty of money to spend if they sell Kane

Nope. He’s an Arsenal fan and took great delight in giving the Spurs fans some grief when he scored there.
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
So Spurts sell Kane for 160m (reportedly) and then buy Watkins for 100m less?

He's not really thought this through has he?

Fans/Clubs will take a similar view if/when we make offers should Jack skedaddle.
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Post by: darren woolley on August 03, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
I would tell spuds they can do one if they make an offer.
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Post by: Dr Butler on August 03, 2021, 11:07:11 AM
fuck it...let's make an offer for Kane....

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: London Villan on August 03, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
Bless… delusion of the highest order.
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Post by: Matt C on August 03, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 11:29:46 AM
Fcuk sake, are we back in the Ch'shit ?!
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Post by: Shrek on August 03, 2021, 11:30:51 AM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.

We’ve spent £63million on two players already. I don’t see how we can spend that much more unless Jack leaves.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2021, 11:32:14 AM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.

We’ve spent £63million on two players already. I don’t see how we can spend that much more unless Jack leaves.

Because we spent far more in both of the previous seasons?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 03, 2021, 11:33:07 AM
Fcuk sake, are we back in the Ch'shit ?!

yep. Very odd story.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2021, 11:33:11 AM
No more fucking loan players. We are supposed to be competing with Chelsea and Man U not developing their players. We aren't some nonsense team like West Brom.
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Post by: Tuscans on August 03, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
Doesn't say a loan deal, says trying to land deals.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2021, 11:38:53 AM
someone tweeted  we are trying to offoad Wes
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Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
I am a big fan of Tammy's and Axel would be a handy versatile defender who can play full back or centre half.
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Post by: Richard E on August 03, 2021, 11:40:19 AM
Is Axel all that? 
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
someone tweeted  we are trying to offoad Wes

Better to loan him out. If he has a decent year back in Belgium or similar we'd get more money back next summer than now.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2021, 11:41:46 AM
Is Axel all that?

No. He's a regularly injured decent Championship player.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 03, 2021, 11:43:00 AM
We are lacking depth, and to sign 8 players of the required level of ability is a lot to ask in one window.  So a loan isn't the end of the world if it means we can target players next summer.  We are building, not magicking.  This club can do nothing right for some of you lot.
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Post by: OCD on August 03, 2021, 11:43:34 AM
A few of us would be happy to see Tammy back. A quality option that takes some of the burden off Watkins while providing more competition for places and a better option when we're chasing a game and want to have 2 strikers on. Mates with Jack too.

We were quite ruthless with the goalkeeper and right back position last year. I've been surprised we didn't do the same with the strikers.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2021, 11:44:09 AM
If Jack stays and you get Bailey, Buendia, Tammy, Young and Axel in during the same window, it's a pretty decent effort!
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2021, 11:44:25 AM
Just had a look through a Soton website to see what they are saying about Ward-Prowse. A decent read to be fair, they appear to be in a fair amount of financial trouble but a lot seem to think it would take a £50m bid for him to move. If that was accurate I’d hope we could find better value elsewhere
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 03, 2021, 11:47:23 AM
Please let it be true

I want tammy back. He will be excellent option for us
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2021, 11:51:46 AM
Has anyone done the FFP calculations on how much we can spend this summer without falling foul of them?
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Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2021, 11:55:11 AM
The excitement of loan deals for Tammy and Axel - no wonder Jack wanted to stay
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Post by: Drummond on August 03, 2021, 12:09:40 PM
Has anyone done the FFP calculations on how much we can spend this summer without falling foul of them?

Purslow hopefully.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2021, 12:10:19 PM
Loan to buy for Tammy makes sense as it allows you to move the cost to next year. The report says they want Axel on a perm not loan. Both are good players in areas of the pitch we need an extra body that is going to improve the squad.
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Post by: OzVilla on August 03, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
Has anyone done the FFP calculations on how much we can spend this summer without falling foul of them?

No idea but let’s say the combined for those 2 is say £50m then that bring our spend to £120m. That’s if Jack stays obviously and I’d expect 1 or 2 outgoings also, maybe Hourihane, AEG, for instance that would be worth say £20-25m combined.

So £100m net spend, good but not huge I’d say.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 03, 2021, 12:12:56 PM
Both would be good signings, Tammy especially.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Axel and Tammy would be useful signings whether Jack goes or not. The manager would trust both of them as they have played for him before, there are no adaptation issues and we know what they are both capable of. Loan to buy would be a good idea even if they can’t play against their parent clubs this season.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2021, 12:19:08 PM
It’s a good way of Levy pretending to be spending the cash with no intention of actually doing so (a la Doug) before paying down debt on 1st September.

Yup, they have an emergency Bank of England loan of £175m that needs to be paid in full by March 2022. On top of that they owe £823m on a long term loan. Covid has really hit Spurs hard and even a financial wheeler-dealer genius like Levy is struggling to find solutions.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 03, 2021, 12:21:13 PM
Tammy couldn't get in a team past Giroud and Tuanzebe is shite and always injured. Selling Jack and bringing them in is a massive downgrade. I know one would be 4th choice CB and the other fighting for the Striker spot but there would be such a massive hole in the midfield, we struggle to win the midfield battle as it is. We'd need some clever expenditure for centre mids.

I'm not optimistic if we lose Grealish and the replacements are Bailey, Buendia, 4th choice CB, 2nd choice LB and 2nd choice CF. Stronger bench but weaker team for me.
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Post by: Risso on August 03, 2021, 12:21:18 PM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.

Point of order, he says we want to do deals for former loan players Axel and Tammy, not that we necessarily want to loan them again.
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Post by: andyh on August 03, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
And we have supposedly made another bid for JWP.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 03, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Hasn't all the FFP stuff been relaxed. I am sure our guys know what they're doing. Just enjoy it
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2021, 12:33:38 PM
I’d really hope we’re beyond loaning players from ‘the top six’ so if we do go for them it’s on a permanent basis. Tammy would be good as long as the price is fair, Wesley and Davis don’t look as though they’re going to be great cover this season. I’d loan at least one of them out, preferably Wesley. Tuenzebe definitely has the quality to be back up for the defenders and can cover RB as well as CB but has a terrible injury record and I’m not sure he’d get as much opportunity as he’d probably like even if he is fit.
JWP would be good, an upgrade on Dougie, Sanson, Ramsey but we could still do with a proper holding midfielder unless the idea is to play McGinn and JWP behind Buendia, and use Nakamba as a sub if we’re trying to see the game out.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 03, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
Tammy couldn't get in a team past Giroud and Tuanzebe is shite and always injured. Selling Jack and bringing them in is a massive downgrade. I know one would be 4th choice CB and the other fighting for the Striker spot but there would be such a massive hole in the midfield, we struggle to win the midfield battle as it is. We'd need some clever expenditure for centre mids.

I'm not optimistic if we lose Grealish and the replacements are Bailey, Buendia, 4th choice CB, 2nd choice LB and 2nd choice CF. Stronger bench but weaker team for me.


Giroud is a good player, and we play a different way to Tuchel. He proved the season after he left us that he can score at the Prem level and would be a great signing at the right price, or on loan and buy next season which would fit well with FFP.

Not fussed with Axel, but for the right price would be good competition and a step up from Engels.

Neither of them are going to replace Jack, that would have to be 2 different signings in midfield.
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Post by: Matt C on August 03, 2021, 12:39:13 PM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.

Point of order, he says we want to do deals for former loan players Axel and Tammy, not that we necessarily want to loan them again.

Yes, my bad. In my limited defence it is difficult to maintain accuracy when you’re trying to interpret the nuance of body language at a training session on the other screen.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 03, 2021, 12:44:09 PM
Buying Tammy would be ok, but i'm struggling to see what's in it for him when he can be the main man elsewhere. On loan even less reason. Buying Tuanzebe would be a risk - depends what they wanted for him.
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Post by: OCD on August 03, 2021, 12:45:03 PM
Hasn't all the FFP stuff been relaxed. I am sure our guys know what they're doing. Just enjoy it

Even if it hasn't, this is our third year in the Premier League now. FFP uses a 3-year average so there's more room to manoeuvre now than we've had in the past 2 years.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 03, 2021, 12:56:27 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 03, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
I’m not sure why Tuanzebe would come from Man U reserves to our reserves? But I would say, IMO he’s not shit. I would argue he looked the more accomplished CB in the championship run in. Again not sure that Tammy would be nailed on to start for us, so why swap the Chelsea subs bench for ours?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
Thought he was magnificent in the play off final. He's a quality player, just needs games. Not sure we are the best move for either, but need both in the squad.
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Post by: Risso on August 03, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
Buying Tammy would be ok, but i'm struggling to see what's in it for him when he can be the main man elsewhere. On loan even less reason. Buying Tuanzebe would be a risk - depends what they wanted for him.

Tammy up front as the 9, Ollie to the right, Bailey to the left.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2021, 01:10:47 PM
I think Tammy would play more here than at Chelsea, we only have 1 decent outright centre forward in Watkins who could be deployed on the wings if we go all out attack. It’s a long season and Watkins did look like he could have done with a rest at times last season.
That said he could go somewhere and be outright first pick but he’s been here before and knows the set up.
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Post by: London Villan on August 03, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
Tammy isnt going to want to sit on the bench. He’ll replace Inges or AWOLKane.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.
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Post by: algy on August 03, 2021, 01:16:37 PM
I tend to agree. Tuanzebe seems pointless to me, can't see either us or him benefiting from him being 4th choice with us.

Tammy on loan-to-buy might make sense but I can't help feeling we need European football to justify having 2 strikers who expect to play every week. Someone like Argentinean Gary Shaw makes more sense, where he'll probably be happy with 25 games a season, which he'd easily make between 2nd choice centre forward and backup winger.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
How is upgrading from Wes to Tammy anything but a massive, massive upgrade? And let’s not even mention Keinan.
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 01:24:02 PM
That's assuming we get rid of Wes and Keinan. Otherwise it's four strikers and stock-piling.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
That's assuming we get rid of Wes and Keinan. Otherwise it's four strikers and stock-piling.

If we do get another striker in, then I would imagine Davis would go on loan. 
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 01:27:34 PM
Well he's crocked again, so won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable.
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Post by: algy on August 03, 2021, 01:30:55 PM
How is upgrading from Wes to Tammy anything but a massive, massive upgrade? And let’s not even mention Keinan.
It is. Tammy is a good forward more than capable of playing regularly at a top half (maybe top 4/6) side. But we're going to play at most 50-ish games next season even if we get to the final of every competition we enter. Split 2 ways, that's 25 starts each. More likely it'd be 20ish, if we're honest.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be chuffed if we signed Tammy. I just think we need European football to keep two "main" strikers happy. But if we can keep both motivated for this season we should absolutely sign him.
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Post by: danno on August 03, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
I’m not sure why Tuanzebe would come from Man U reserves to our reserves? But I would say, IMO he’s not shit. I would argue he looked the more accomplished CB in the championship run in. Again not sure that Tammy would be nailed on to start for us, so why swap the Chelsea subs bench for ours?

From his perspective he'll back himself to break into the side. He went back to Man United thinking he had a chance to establish himself there. Ability wise I look at how Hause has improved with us, and think Tuanzebe has the potential to do likewise.

It's similar with Tammy, he went back to Chelsea thinking he could be their main striker. He's not going to come here thinking he'll warm the bench. He would back himself to get into our side and stay there.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
As most on here think Wes and Keinan are crap, why would another club want either of these players? - they are both with us for a few more seasons yet!!
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Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2021, 01:36:25 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

It is by our recent standards  ;) We haven't exactly had a Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Solskjaer selection dilemma in recent years.
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Post by: OCD on August 03, 2021, 01:36:53 PM
We could be doing well, looking likely to get a European place and then have the wheels fall off because we lose Watkins for a while. How many people would then be having a go at the club for not getting a second very good option up front in that case?
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Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2021, 01:41:12 PM
I think Tammy and Ollie would be a great partnership. Tammy is a penalty box finisher and Ollie likes to drift deeper. As for Axel, I think the big plus with him is his versatility across the back four.
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Post by: caster troy on August 03, 2021, 01:48:16 PM
Tammy also very useful defending set pieces, could be brought in for West Ham, Burnley etc. Bringing both in we could go 3-5-2 on occasion also, with Konsa in the centre of the back 3. We need more squad depth and more tactical versatility, seems like a no brainer to me.
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 01:56:54 PM
We could be doing well, looking likely to get a European place and then have the wheels fall off because we lose Watkins for a while. How many people would then be having a go at the club for not getting a second very good option up front in that case?

It's more about Tammy not being happy if he isn't playing every week. He will expect that and would seek assurances upon signing. If he's second to Ollie/an occasional starter only due to formation changes and injuries, I wouldn't expect him to stick around.
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Post by: OCD on August 03, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
I would expect a player to have the confidence to think they can dislodge whoever is in possession of a shirt, rather than just thinking they're going to be a bit part player.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2021, 02:04:31 PM
If we now have a set piece coach surely the extra height that Tammy offers wouldn’t go amiss?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2021, 02:20:18 PM
Percy reporting we’re trying to get Axel & Tammy on loan.
good deals - I’d rather we loaned them. Both would add depth to the squad.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
We could be doing well, looking likely to get a European place and then have the wheels fall off because we lose Watkins for a while. How many people would then be having a go at the club for not getting a second very good option up front in that case?

It's more about Tammy not being happy if he isn't playing every week. He will expect that and would seek assurances upon signing. If he's second to Ollie/an occasional starter only due to formation changes and injuries, I wouldn't expect him to stick around.
there’s not many places Abraham will go to and play every week. Maybe West Ham? Out of the top half clubs most have good options up top.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 03, 2021, 02:24:06 PM
As most on here think Wes and Keinan are crap, why would another club want either of these players? - they are both with us for a few more seasons yet!!

Davis will get loaned out, plenty in championship want him with Stoke City talked about last week after the friendly. I find it very odd we haven't loaned him out at any point in last two years and think it's been to detriment of his career here.

Think Wes will then take out number 3 striker slot and get 5-10 minutes end of games and odd cup start but think people are starting to get some realism that it's a massive struggle to come back well from the start of injury he had.

Wouldn't shock me if we then loaned him out in January if he's still struggling just to get his value up.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2021, 02:28:03 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.
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Post by: john2710 on August 03, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
If JWP is a target then one out of McGinn / Luiz / Sanson is moving on. With my money being on Luiz.

Signing JWP doesn’t really answer our defensive midfield question.
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Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2021, 02:47:21 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.

Not sure it's so much that he doesn't rotate, more that he hasn't had the depth to rotate with. Time will tell.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on August 03, 2021, 02:56:56 PM
Tammy would be a good addition.

Out forward/attacking players are looking incredible.   Our defence is settled and sold. Goalie Is Wold class.

I think we’re a central/defensive midfielder short.
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Post by: algy on August 03, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.

Not sure it's so much that he doesn't rotate, more that he hasn't had the depth to rotate with. Time will tell.
I agree with this. It's all well and good wanting to rotate, but I think we've had a big drop off in quality between 1st and 2nd choice players in most positions. We've also not been playing so many games that it's been a particular issue IMO - 41 was it last season if you don't count the FA Cup game? You expect more squad rotation if we're playing in Europe but tbh for the amount of games we're playing I think we rotate as much as we can/is necessary.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2021, 03:38:40 PM
As most on here think Wes and Keinan are crap, why would another club want either of these players? - they are both with us for a few more seasons yet!!

Davis will get loaned out, plenty in championship want him with Stoke City talked about last week after the friendly. I find it very odd we haven't loaned him out at any point in last two years and think it's been to detriment of his career here.

Think Wes will then take out number 3 striker slot and get 5-10 minutes end of games and odd cup start but think people are starting to get some realism that it's a massive struggle to come back well from the start of injury he had.

Wouldn't shock me if we then loaned him out in January if he's still struggling just to get his value up.

I thought that Davis was crocked again
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Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2021, 03:47:32 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.

Not sure it's so much that he doesn't rotate, more that he hasn't had the depth to rotate with. Time will tell.
I agree with this. It's all well and good wanting to rotate, but I think we've had a big drop off in quality between 1st and 2nd choice players in most positions. We've also not been playing so many games that it's been a particular issue IMO - 41 was it last season if you don't count the FA Cup game? You expect more squad rotation if we're playing in Europe but tbh for the amount of games we're playing I think we rotate as much as we can/is necessary.

I think the blow up we had around March time was as much to do with the failure to rotate the players earlier in the season as anything else. Smith has been quoted in the past as he doesnt believe in player fatigue so that's a worry. We certainly had a full back on loan in France that we could have done with in the second half of the season.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 03, 2021, 04:04:55 PM
This is where keeping Grealish is critical. If we can keep him, we have enough to need to sign  Tammy as Bailey can play through the middle. I think we have the numbers and quality balance perfect with Jack, Bailey, Buendia, Watkins, Traore and El Ghazi competing. They will all get sufficient games.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2021, 04:07:54 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.
It's almost impossible to rotate Watkins when you've got Wesley or Davis to play - they're not up to much.

Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2021, 04:08:32 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.


Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.
It's almost impossible to rotate Watkins when you've got Wesley or Davis to play - they're not up to much.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2021, 04:17:25 PM
We rightly moan about clubs stock piling players. Tammy and Axel feels similar to that to me. Tammy should move to a club where he will play every week and make a difference, somewhere like Brighton.


Having two strikers is hardly stockpiling.

Smith doesn't rotate players though. Not sure we are at the level yet where we can leave 30m+ players on the bench for weeks on end. If Smith is going to change tack this season I'm all for it btw.
It's almost impossible to rotate Watkins when you've got Wesley or Davis to play - they're not up to much.

They aren't but...Watkins was hardly even substituted last season never mind getting the odd game off. Don't think that's sustainable.

Are any of our younger players capable of stepping up and playing 7-10 games this season?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2021, 04:18:11 PM
hopefully
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 03, 2021, 04:38:59 PM
Signing Abraham would allow us to play 2 up top when needed.  Tammy also enjoys playing off the right, and Watkins is more than capable of playing the deeper role and pressing beyond a number 9. As well as giving us back up if Watkins does pick up and injury. It makes sense to me.
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Post by: TonyD on August 03, 2021, 05:08:57 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 
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Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2021, 05:18:36 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 

What about if he wore that little black dress?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 

Can't say Melissa McCarthy does me either.
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Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Arse twatteratis are getting all emotional about a potential bid for Maddison by them - £50m plus an unspecified part-ex.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2021, 05:43:12 PM
If we’re going to progress Smith is going to have to learn to rotate.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 03, 2021, 05:43:53 PM
Arse twatteratis are getting all emotional about a potential bid for Maddison by them - £50m plus an unspecified part-ex.

We should be going for Maddison if Jack does the unthinkable.
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Post by: danno on August 03, 2021, 05:59:58 PM
I'm sure Smith-Rowe is thrilled at the prospect of his club signing Maddison to play ahead of him.
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Post by: Monty on August 03, 2021, 06:08:47 PM
Rotation is fine and well, but Tammy as Jack's replacement? It doesn't add up for me. He, Watkins, Buendìa and Bailey would've cost more than a hundred million together and I cannot actually envisage what system they'd play together in. Neither Watkins nor Tammy have the skillset to play wide for a team hoping to challenge the top 6 so there goes 4-2-3-1, neither Bailey nor Buendìa can realistically play no. 8 so there goes the diamond, and both rule out 4-3-3. Unless he wants to play 3-5-2 with wide playmakers, hence Tuanzebe? I mean Christ, that's not a top six team by any measurement.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2021, 06:46:07 PM
I would have thought it’d be 5 top players for the 4 attacking positions with some sort of rotation in place.
Grealish LW or AM
Watkins LW CF or RW
Buendia RW or AM
Bailey RW or LW?
Abraham CF or at a push LW
We need it if we’re pushing for Europe. Add to that El Ghazi for LW, Traore for RW and a couple of the other squad midfielders that could cover AM and we’d look well covered for injury, suspension, loss of form, fatigue or anything else.
Be nice to see JWP or better still a proper holding midfielder to challenge with Nakamba, McGinn and Luiz for the 2 centre mid positions also.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 03, 2021, 06:51:42 PM
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Rotation is fine and well, but Tammy as Jack's replacement? It doesn't add up for me. He, Watkins, Buendìa and Bailey would've cost more than a hundred million together and I cannot actually envisage what system they'd play together in. Neither Watkins nor Tammy have the skillset to play wide for a team hoping to challenge the top 6 so there goes 4-2-3-1, neither Bailey nor Buendìa can realistically play no. 8 so there goes the diamond, and both rule out 4-3-3. Unless he wants to play 3-5-2 with wide playmakers, hence Tuanzebe? I mean Christ, that's not a top six team by any measurement.
4-2-1-3.Buendia as the 10.The front 3 have pace to burn and are used to taking up wide positions.The best front 3 in the league is probably Liverpool's.You can't pigeonhole Mane and Salah as wingers even when they play Firmino in a central position.
Skillset ? Sterling is one of the best wide players in the league but I wouldn't trust him to deliver accurate crosses.
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Post by: DeeBoy1 on August 03, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 

What about if he wore that little black dress?

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 03, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
Look at JWP's stats here, he'd be the ideal player for our DM imo.

https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/James-Ward-Prowse
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Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
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Rotation is fine and well, but Tammy as Jack's replacement? It doesn't add up for me. He, Watkins, Buendìa and Bailey would've cost more than a hundred million together and I cannot actually envisage what system they'd play together in. Neither Watkins nor Tammy have the skillset to play wide for a team hoping to challenge the top 6 so there goes 4-2-3-1, neither Bailey nor Buendìa can realistically play no. 8 so there goes the diamond, and both rule out 4-3-3. Unless he wants to play 3-5-2 with wide playmakers, hence Tuanzebe? I mean Christ, that's not a top six team by any measurement.
4-2-1-3.Buendia as the 10.The front 3 have pace to burn and are used to taking up wide positions.The best front 3 in the league is probably Liverpool's.You can't pigeonhole Mane and Salah as wingers even when they play Firmino in a central position.
Skillset ? Sterling is one of the best wide players in the league but I wouldn't trust him to deliver accurate crosses.

That's almost how I'd like to see us play at times. 2 from Watkins, Traore, AEG or Bailey as wide strikers and Grealish or Buendia as a 10/false 9. Could drop the other one of those 2 into the midfield 3.
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Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2021, 08:01:49 PM
If we’re going to progress Smith is going to have to learn to rotate.
That should not be a problem as he mastered the pirouette at school I am told.
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Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2021, 08:03:25 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 

What about if he wore that little black dress?
That might work for Tony but not for me. I prefer domineering type at my central position.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2021, 08:10:16 PM
That's almost how I'd like to see us play at times. 2 from Watkins, Traore, AEG or Bailey as wide strikers and Grealish or Buendia as a 10/false 9. Could drop the other one of those 2 into the midfield 3.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer to see players in their best positions.

           Watkins

Bailey       ?        Buendia
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Post by: Ads on August 03, 2021, 08:10:33 PM
JWP stats for passing and interceptions dwarf that of McGinn. I really think that he'd massively improve our midfield and let us control games more.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2021, 08:21:55 PM
Always thought JWP was a bit ‘meat & two veg’ decent enough but not good value at all what they’d want for him and wages
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Post by: Ian. on August 03, 2021, 08:23:05 PM
Tammy doesn’t get me excited. 

What about if he wore that little black dress?

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽


Now your talking!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2021, 08:26:33 PM
JWP stats for passing and interceptions dwarf that of McGinn. I really think that he'd massively improve our midfield and let us control games more.

Bloody hell Ads, one more and you win the caravan.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2021, 08:31:42 PM
JWP stats for passing and interceptions dwarf that of McGinn. I really think that he'd massively improve our midfield and let us control games more.

Agree.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 03, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I’m in agreement too.

I’d rather have JWP (Nakamba deputising) as the anchor and McGinn/Luiz/Sanson advanced.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 03, 2021, 08:42:18 PM
That's almost how I'd like to see us play at times. 2 from Watkins, Traore, AEG or Bailey as wide strikers and Grealish or Buendia as a 10/false 9. Could drop the other one of those 2 into the midfield 3.

Call me old fashioned but I prefer to see players in their best positions.

           Watkins

Bailey       ?        Buendia

Think McGinn is capable of that role, as is Traore. Obviously be best if it was Jack.
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Post by: OCD on August 03, 2021, 08:57:04 PM
Buendia has been playing the number 10 role pre-season and Bailey has been bought in to play on the right.

I think we'll go for Demsgaard if Jack leaves.
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Post by: Monty on August 03, 2021, 08:58:53 PM
McGinn and Traoré are very good in their positions, in McGinn's case definitely top 6, but relying on them at 10 is pure bottom-halfery.
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Post by: Stu on August 03, 2021, 09:58:00 PM
More twitter stuff about Liverpool stepping on the Bailey deal. I preferred the days when there was just a clubcall telephone line.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
If it's true, and we lose Grealish too, I'll be fairly pissed off.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2021, 10:03:47 PM
If it's true, and we lose Grealish too, I'll be fairly pissed off.

Yes I would be too
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
Especially if we then end-up with Tuanzebe and Abraham.

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Post by: Monty on August 03, 2021, 10:33:27 PM
Especially if we then end-up with Tuanzebe and Abraham.

To be fair, we'd be perfectly set for promotion.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2021, 11:04:58 PM
Darren Randolph for a back up squad goalie selection.
David Luiz defender /midfielder
JWP midfielder
Cantwell Midfielder
Abraham Striker

Ok update that to Axel Tuanxabe  for Midfielder/Defender!
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Post by: Rory on August 03, 2021, 11:07:57 PM
If it's true, and we lose Grealish too, I'll be fairly pissed off.

I will just hate Liverpool and Man City more than I already do. No biggie.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2021, 11:48:35 PM
More twitter stuff about Liverpool stepping on the Bailey deal. I preferred the days when there was just a clubcall telephone line.

May explain our very recent interest in the Danish winger.
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Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
More twitter stuff about Liverpool stepping on the Bailey deal. I preferred the days when there was just a clubcall telephone line.

May explain our very recent interest in the Danish winger.

It looks like lots of people putting 2 and 2 together. There were some tweets hinting at villa/liverpool news lots of people who probably think Bailey is too good for 'little' villa created a story from nothing and then the news turned out to be a rumour that we'd made a bid for Curtis Jones.

Moving on I'm not sure about that link but it fits a pattern of us looking at young English players who have recently broken through. If that is the case I hope we're willing to look slightly further away and try for Madueke, looks like he's available for £20m and I think he'd be similar to Alvarez in that he covers right across the front. Probably a bit early for him to start regularly for a team wanting to challenge for the top 6 but the versatility means he'd be a great options to fill in.
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 12:44:47 AM
Think we would need to move Traore on before we looked at any more left footed right wingers.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 12:54:00 AM
If Jack goes, Damsgaard on the left would be a really good signing.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2021, 12:56:25 AM
I have no doubt that as soon as Jack is sold we will see our transfer activity in overdrive. It won’t shock me at all if JWP is straight through the door and Damsgaard would be superb too. Toss in Tammy and Axel on loan to buys and I’ll look forward to the season.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 01:12:46 AM
Me too. JWP, Cantwell/Damsgaard, Tammy, Axel and we are miles stronger than last season. With our budget pre oil money, plus the oil reserves, no reason we can't pull that off. Cantwell gets a lot of free kicks, so if we do get JWP, may get favoured over Damsgaard.
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Post by: KRS on August 04, 2021, 02:27:06 AM
If Jack is sold (and I hope to fcuk that he’s not), the only player I can think of with a similar style and skillset that would fill a Grealish sized hole would be Maddison. According to media reports, Arsenal are interested for around £60-70m, and we’d obviously have the funds available to go in for him.
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Post by: OzVilla on August 04, 2021, 03:03:53 AM
I’d love Maddison too but I think he’s the type that would prefer a move to the lights of London.

Plus isn’t he a Cov fan who has previously expressed those weird stalker like feelings towards us like most of those sad camp voiced twats.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 04, 2021, 07:57:30 AM
More twitter stuff about Liverpool stepping on the Bailey deal. I preferred the days when there was just a clubcall telephone line.

"We've completed the documentation and we're just happy to reveal that he's an Aston Villa player.

"Aston Villa is one of the big five clubs, the fifth-most successful club in England where football was invented.

"This is a great honour to me, as a coach and as a father, to have Leon playing in the Premier League. We're looking forward to the fans giving him as much support as possible."

Butler added: "He's a young man so we're looking forward to great things. And thank you for having him; we're looking forward to (seeing) the great fans at Aston Villa giving him all the love he can get.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2021, 08:47:26 AM
Arse looking to part exchange for Maddison, as Leicester want 60M. I would be tempted, although there are rumours he enjoys a night out.
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Post by: London Villan on August 04, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Smith Rowe going in the other direction probably!
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Post by: WRVilla on August 04, 2021, 10:14:41 AM
Imagine the meltdown if we decided we want Maddison to go some way to replacing Grealish and nipped in and signed him ahead of them!
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Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 10:15:17 AM
Well we need a 10, have £100m to burn.
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Post by: frank black on August 04, 2021, 10:25:36 AM
Announce Todd
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Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 10:26:16 AM
After saying he was shit, I will say that Cantwell's assist last night was rather saucy. Worth searching it out.
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Post by: danno on August 04, 2021, 10:27:44 AM
Arse looking to part exchange for Maddison, as Leicester want 60M. I would be tempted, although there are rumours he enjoys a night out.

Leicester don't tend to get too much wrong in the transfer market, they must have a decent reason to want to move him on.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 10:27:51 AM
Cantwell is a talented player, but he’s not really a make waves type player.
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Post by: Shrek on August 04, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
We’ve already replaced Grealish with Buendia.

Obviously he isn’t as good, but who is? Buendia is as close as we could get in reality
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Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2021, 10:35:03 AM
Spend the money well and on quality, we need players who can come into the first 11 not be a 3 and 4th choice centre back, who sit on the bench all season and only play in the odd cup game
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
We need a strong squad as well as a good team.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 04, 2021, 10:39:47 AM
We’ve already replaced Grealish with Buendia.

Obviously he isn’t as good, but who is? Buendia is as close as we could get in reality
You cannot replace someone who has not gone. FFS
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Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 10:39:52 AM
I hope we keep the pressure on the JWP signing, I’d be extremely pleased, he’s definitely an upgrade than what we have here in that position. If we get Cantwell I’d be happy with that too, just don’t see him being one of the first names on the team sheet just yet.

If we get Tammy in too then that’s one hell of a summer signing and will take some pressure off Ollie.
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Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2021, 10:41:58 AM
A strong defensive central midfield player is now a necessity.  A player that can play the position on his own without needing someone else to help him out all of the time.
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Post by: JD on August 04, 2021, 10:42:35 AM
We need a strong squad as well as a good team.

Totally agree CD. How many games have we needed to chase a game and have had no game changers on the bench. To be successful we need strength in depth. No-one has to start a game every week, just get some game time and be part of a successful squad.
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Post by: OzVilla on August 04, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
Right, so I’ve heard this is the now thread to be on. Buckle up boys and girls because if you thought we were loaded before….
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
JWP, a centre-half, right back, another attacking midfield and a striker please.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
We need a strong squad as well as a good team.

Totally agree CD. How many games have we needed to chase a game and have had no game changers on the bench. To be successful we need strength in depth. No-one has to start a game every week, just get some game time and be part of a successful squad.

Yeah, if our current front four is Buendia, Bailey and Traore playing behind Watkins, that's pretty decent. However, there isn't much after them. I like AEG, but I doubt he strikes fear into opposition hearts when they see him warming up with twenty minutes to go. And as for Wesley/Davis...

Assuming JPB isn't ready for the first team squad yet, we need at least two attacking options. Alvarez and Abraham (not on poxy loan) would do for me. Wouldn't be averse to Cantwell or Sarr, as alternatives.

Sort that out, JWP in the middle and add a new Konsa-type centre half signing who won't expect to play straight away but can develop to compete for a place in the team, and we would be good to go.

Plus right back if Guilbert goes.
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Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
JWP, a centre-half, right back, another attacking midfield and a striker please.

And some Scampi fries, please.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
Dean is going to have to learn to rotate.
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Post by: JD on August 04, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
We need a strong squad as well as a good team.

Totally agree CD. How many games have we needed to chase a game and have had no game changers on the bench. To be successful we need strength in depth. No-one has to start a game every week, just get some game time and be part of a successful squad.

Yeah, if our current front four is Buendia, Bailey and Traore playing behind Watkins, that's pretty decent. However, there isn't much after them. I like AEG, but I doubt he strikes fear into opposition hearts when they see him warming up with twenty minutes to go. And as for Wesley/Davis...

Assuming JPB isn't ready for the first team squad yet, we need at least two attacking options. Alvarez and Abraham (not on poxy loan) would do for me. Wouldn't be averse to Cantwell or Sarr, as alternatives.

Sort that out, JWP in the middle and add a new Konsa-type centre half signing who won't expect to play straight away but can develop to compete for a place in the team, and we would be good to go.

Plus right back if Guilbert goes.

And maybe Jack as well (fingers crossed).......
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2021, 10:57:47 AM
We’ve already replaced Grealish with Buendia.

Obviously he isn’t as good, but who is? Buendia is as close as we could get in reality

Buendia plays on the left then? As far as I can see from what we were doing last season currently at Watford we'll play El Ghazi on the left, Buendia in the Barkley role and Bailey will slot in on the right instead of Traore.

It's good but as good as AEG stats were last season won't be long before people are moaning about him again if he's starting every week.

We really don't have that many wide options compared to many teams we're trying to finish above us, only takes an injury or two and we'll be very short and having to just play loads of CMs across the midfield.

Get the feeling a goalscoring midfielder from somewhere would be a very good signing now, someone who can hit 10 league goals and then we have creativity in Buendia and Bailey and that's probably the best we can do now until we can properly restructure next summer.
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Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
JWP is an absolute must for me.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 11:05:40 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 11:07:50 AM
We do need to make a statement of intent. Bailey is part of that but we need more.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 04, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.

Not sure those names are a big enough statement to be honest.  That looks like 'consolidation' to me
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Post by: Tony Erdington on August 04, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
So weve got a few extra quid, is JWP an option? is Cantwell? fuck players that have left, concentrate on going forward.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.

Not sure those names are a big enough statement to be honest.  That looks like 'consolidation' to me

You having a laugh? Blimey
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 11:14:04 AM
I really hope it's Damsgaard or someone like him that we go for, rather than Cantwell or Sarr.

Whoever comes in for Jack, he's going to inevitably be labelled as being 'Jack's replacement'. However, Jack's injury probably proved a blessing in disguise as it highlighted the lack of creativity when he's absent and we've already been working on that.

For me, Damsgaard, Buendia and Bailey is a better combined 3 than Grealish, Barkley and Traore.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
We’ve already replaced Grealish with Buendia.

Obviously he isn’t as good, but who is? Buendia is as close as we could get in reality

I think Buendia and Watkins should work well together. Buendia might release the ball a bit quicker than Grealish too. Bailey should be a huge improvement on Trex once he settles. McGinn maybe further forward instead of Barkley. Still a very strong trio behind Watkins.

Need a few more bodies in quickly. New partner for Luiz as priority.
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Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
I'd like Cantwell, JWP, Axel (loan not perm) and Tammy if Smith wants him, although I have a feeling he sees Bailey as an option up top so maybe not...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.

Not sure those names are a big enough statement to be honest.  That looks like 'consolidation' to me

You having a laugh? Blimey

I agree with him, Damsgaard isn't ready to be a regular in the premier league and Tammy is massively overrated on here. JWP would be a top 6 signing though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 04, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.

Not sure those names are a big enough statement to be honest.  That looks like 'consolidation' to me


Welcome to the Everton Zone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2021, 11:29:28 AM
Well we need a 10, have £100m to burn.

Exactly. Bailey on the left, Buendia on the right and the best attacking midfielder £100m can buy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 11:30:49 AM
JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham would be brilliant additions.

I'd be happy to add any of Alvarez, Cantwell or Sarr instead or as well.

No to any injury prone loan players from Wankchester, though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 04, 2021, 11:32:18 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2021, 11:33:13 AM
Chance for us to tweak the shape now too rather than it being built around one player, give ourselves more options.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

Buendia is the Grealish replacement. We need a brilliant Barkley replacement and someone that can compete with or play alongside Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

Buendia is the Grealish replacement. We need a brilliant Barkley replacement and someone that can compete with or play alongside Watkins.

Buendia is the barkley replacement. Bailey seems to be a mix between a replacement for Grealish and competition up front.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2021, 11:37:43 AM
We were signing Bailey with Jack (staying in mind) so we have a lot of money we can still spend.
Lange is BUSY!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

We can't replace Grealish with one player but we can replace the type of service he provides by bringing in players that have those traits.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2021, 11:38:54 AM
Smith Rowe going in the other direction probably!
Reiss Nelson
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2021, 11:44:22 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

Buendia is the Grealish replacement. We need a brilliant Barkley replacement and someone that can compete with or play alongside Watkins.

Buendia is the barkley replacement. Bailey seems to be a mix between a replacement for Grealish and competition up front.

Who plays on the right, Traore?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 11:45:52 AM
All about the replacements now. More like Leon and Emi, yes fucking please. If it's Todd, Bess McNeil or a benchful of Tammy, heaven help us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 11:48:19 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

Buendia is the Grealish replacement. We need a brilliant Barkley replacement and someone that can compete with or play alongside Watkins.

Buendia is the barkley replacement. Bailey seems to be a mix between a replacement for Grealish and competition up front.

Who plays on the right, Traore?

For now yes but I think we will sign another 10 and Buendia will start from the right more often than not, I think Bailey will definitely start from the left to begin with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2021, 11:48:36 AM
Get JWP, Damsgaard and Abraham in. Make a statement.

Not sure those names are a big enough statement to be honest.  That looks like 'consolidation' to me

I'm not sure on Ward Prowse but the other two would be good surely, Damsgaard excellent in euros and up and coming young player and no Grealish means we could rejig to two strikers at times next season so perhaps Tammy becomes serious option now.

We don't really have enough goal power in key areas so Tammy would help that more.

Doubt Toronto Villa is up yet but interested how Yefferson Soteldo is doing for Toronto fc. Love watching him and he has Grealish qualities of being able to beat a man but he's barely 5ft so would be a gamble but you could probably get him for 15-20m.

Think we need a busy few weeks. Pressure going to be ramped up if we struggle in our first 3 games now which looks a given considering our general form without Grealish from Feb onwards last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
I’d like JWP and Damsgaard next.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 11:51:56 AM
Would anyone have been interested in Damsgaard if he was linked in May on the back of his record in Serie A? Yes he had a good euros but we can't be signing a player just because of that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
Yeah I'm not keen on those suggestions other than JWP, As a Grealish Replacement I want a proper statement signing such as Maddison, Brandt, Marcos Asensio, Draxler.

Buendia is the Grealish replacement. We need a brilliant Barkley replacement and someone that can compete with or play alongside Watkins.

Buendia is the barkley replacement. Bailey seems to be a mix between a replacement for Grealish and competition up front.

Who plays on the right, Traore?

For now yes but I think we will sign another 10 and Buendia will start from the right more often than not, I think Bailey will definitely start from the left to begin with.

Yes that's fair enough then. I'd still love a goalscoring midfield in the mix so we can improve goal output in other ways which is a must considering our attacking play has been built around one player for last 4 seasons, said before but Milenkovic Savic from Lazio would be dream signing for me for that.

We need to be in position by end of window where Traore and El Ghazi are the options off the bench from 60th minute onwards rather than starting most weeks so that's the metric I'll judge next 3 weeks on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
Soccer; Soteldo is a very exciting player. Thing is he’s 5ft 2 (I know we shouldn’t judge by height alone) and he’s already 24. He was excellent at Santos but I think it’s why he didn’t get a move to a bigger side in Europe sooner and ended up in the MLS. To us he’s the second coming Giovinco. Has all the same attributes. It’s hard to say whether or not her be good in the PL, and I think we have Buendia now who is a better overall and will much of the same things but on the other flank.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2021, 12:22:04 PM
Read that West Ham can’t agree a fee for Zouma of Chelsea? We can!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clive W on August 04, 2021, 01:14:23 PM
Read that West Ham can’t agree a fee for Zouma of Chelsea? We can!!!

Problem is they will now want £100m
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 01:18:41 PM
Would anyone have been interested in Damsgaard if he was linked in May on the back of his record in Serie A? Yes he had a good euros but we can't be signing a player just because of that.

It does smack a bit of a John Jensen signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 01:22:52 PM
Would anyone have been interested in Damsgaard if he was linked in May on the back of his record in Serie A? Yes he had a good euros but we can't be signing a player just because of that.

It does smack a bit of a John Jensen signing.

Yeah I would be very sceptical of Damsgaard. His stats looked poor for last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 01:24:01 PM
I watch a lot of Serie A and always liked him, though he wasn't necessarily in the right system to shine. Can't say he registered as spectacularly as Chiesa or Vlahovic or so, but he has always had a bit of something about him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 01:28:04 PM
I watch a lot of Serie A and always liked him, though he wasn't necessarily in the right system to shine. Can't say he registered as spectacularly as Chiesa or Vlahovic or so, but he has always had a bit of something about him.


I don't disagree with that at all, I think he looks like he's got a lot of potential but if he comes in he's the replacement for Grealish, and he's nowhere near ready to be that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
Would anyone have been interested in Damsgaard if he was linked in May on the back of his record in Serie A? Yes he had a good euros but we can't be signing a player just because of that.

It does smack a bit of a John Jensen signing.

I read yesterday that we expect to lose Bailey for about 14 international games over the new season that will include a lot of traveling so no harm in bringing in some back up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 04, 2021, 01:32:06 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

And let's not forget the kids coming through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 01:32:35 PM
No more loans I hope....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 01:34:44 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

And let's not forget the kids coming through.

That's a finishing 12th sort of team of ever I saw one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2021, 01:38:10 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

And let's not forget the kids coming through.




What goods the ward prowse deal now? We've just let the other side of the weapon walk out the door
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 01:39:12 PM
I know there's a bit of a downer on Cantwell, but I rate him. Granted I don't watch much of other football these days, but whenever I've seen him I've been impressed. He has a sureness of touch and a bit of arrogance like some other ****** who's name I've forgotten.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
I know there's a bit of a downer on Cantwell, but I rate him. Granted I don't watch much of other football these days, but whenever I've seen him I've been impressed. He has a sureness of touch and a bit of arrogance like some other ****** who's name I've forgotten.

Exactly how I feel. Don't often agree with you but think you're onto something here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
He's prettier than than other ****** as well, and looks like he might have A levels at least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 04, 2021, 01:48:32 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

And let's not forget the kids coming through.

That's a finishing 12th sort of team of ever I saw one.

Indeed. I worry it might be what we get though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 01:48:40 PM
Might be a hit harder to attract players to the club without Grealish who was surely a big draw for attacking players anyway. Then again, most professional footballers are mercenaries so if we pay them enough they won't care too much!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 04, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
I am worried the impact this will have on keeping our best players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
I am worried the impact this will have on keeping our best players.

Fair point. When we sold Platt, Cascarino and Penrice didn't wait around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 02:02:16 PM
Would anyone have been interested in Damsgaard if he was linked in May on the back of his record in Serie A? Yes he had a good euros but we can't be signing a player just because of that.

It does smack a bit of a John Jensen signing.

Or the Thor signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 04, 2021, 02:06:02 PM
Athletic saying Ward-Prowse is unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 02:07:34 PM
Fucking BOOOOO. So you can reject offers for players with loads of contract left, then?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 02:08:58 PM
I would hope we have a backup option for Ward Prowse. Southampton should tell us to do one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2021, 02:18:15 PM
Athletic saying Ward-Prowse is unlikely.

With the number of free kicks we win about to take a nosedive he’s less of a priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 02:20:54 PM
Athletic saying Ward-Prowse is unlikely.

With the number of free kicks we win about to take a nosedive he’s less of a priority.

May as well sack that new set-pieces coach we've just recruited, too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2021, 02:21:04 PM
I am worried the impact this will have on keeping our best players.

This is isolation won’t. What will is if we stop progressing. That would have applied if Jack was here too. Recruit well and push on
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 02:25:16 PM
I mean surely we can think of better ways to spend this money than an overpriced nostalgia-act centre forward who gives us cover but nothing new, and the second best playmaker at a club from whom we've just signed their best? Norwich's second best attacking midfielder is really our idea of replacing our talisman who just left for 100m?

I've loved our recruitment so far, so I seriously hope we're more imaginative than this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 04, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Athletic saying Ward-Prowse is unlikely.

On JWP, I suppose a Villa without Grealish probably don't look a lot different from other mid-table clubs like Everton or Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 04, 2021, 02:28:31 PM
I am worried the impact this will have on keeping our best players.

This is isolation won’t. What will is if we stop progressing. That would have applied if Jack was here too. Recruit well and push on

The problem is individual players are putting their own personal goals above the club and contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
Athletic saying Ward-Prowse is unlikely.

With the number of free kicks we win about to take a nosedive he’s less of a priority.

But maybe we will score more with better progressive dribblers like Bailey and Buendia actually moving the ball or shooting. Plus both will win fouls
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 04, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
I mean surely we can think of better ways to spend this money than an overpriced nostalgia-act centre forward who gives us cover but nothing new, and the second best playmaker at a club from whom we've just signed their best? Norwich's second best attacking midfielder is really our idea of replacing our talisman who just left for 100m?

I've loved our recruitment so far, so I seriously hope we're more imaginative than this.

I don’t mind Cantwell but I do know what you mean.

I think we need to really crack the midfield - 2 from Luiz,Nakamba, Sanson and McGinn I think is fine for mid table but if we are looking to progress I think that needs some improvement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TaxDodger on August 04, 2021, 02:43:46 PM
Looks like Tuanzebe on loan is happening.

I actually think it's a logical signing. Decent back up in multiple positions. Probably better than Kourtney Hause. Not entirely sure how the move benefits him though - if he's going out on loan you'd assume it would be somewhere to play every week.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 02:47:30 PM
I mean surely we can think of better ways to spend this money than an overpriced nostalgia-act centre forward who gives us cover but nothing new, and the second best playmaker at a club from whom we've just signed their best? Norwich's second best attacking midfielder is really our idea of replacing our talisman who just left for 100m?

I've loved our recruitment so far, so I seriously hope we're more imaginative than this.

I don’t mind Cantwell but I do know what you mean.

I think we need to really crack the midfield - 2 from Luiz,Nakamba, Sanson and McGinn I think is fine for mid table but if we are looking to progress I think that needs some improvement.

For sure. We need another proper midfielder, another playmaker and a backup striker.

And I don't mind Cantwell either. You just need better than 'don't mind' if you're serious about progressing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 04, 2021, 02:51:57 PM
I mean surely we can think of better ways to spend this money than an overpriced nostalgia-act centre forward who gives us cover but nothing new, and the second best playmaker at a club from whom we've just signed their best? Norwich's second best attacking midfielder is really our idea of replacing our talisman who just left for 100m?

I've loved our recruitment so far, so I seriously hope we're more imaginative than this.

I don’t mind Cantwell but I do know what you mean.

I think we need to really crack the midfield - 2 from Luiz,Nakamba, Sanson and McGinn I think is fine for mid table but if we are looking to progress I think that needs some improvement.

For sure. We need another proper midfielder, another playmaker and a backup striker.

And I don't mind Cantwell either. You just need better than 'don't mind' if you're serious about progressing.

Talk Norwich want £40m for him. Looks like the JG tax is kicking in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 04, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
Are we going to spend all the Grealish money, or have we spent some of it already?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 02:56:14 PM
So Southampton have more bottle than us? Poxy, pointless, Southampton?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 02:58:43 PM
It sounds like Smith sees Bailey as the backup striker and the rumour is 2-3 more coming in. If that means a playmaker, a defensive midfielder and possibly cover at centre back them I'd take it. However I'd want the first 2 to be absolute top quality at least on a par with Bailey. For example the DM should be in the camavinga/locatelli/gravenberch range because that's the only way you get fans properly excited again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 03:00:30 PM
Backup striker and first choice winger? Well, we need a playmaker and a proper midfielder in then to fill out those gaps. Is Bailey really going to lead the line though? And if so, why the renewed interest in Abraham?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
Talk Norwich want £40m for him. Looks like the JG tax is kicking in.
And he would come with an "English" premium compared to Buendia.
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Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2021, 03:01:14 PM
I wonder why the lack of interest in Pereira?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 04, 2021, 03:01:28 PM
It sounds like Smith sees Bailey as the backup striker and the rumour is 2-3 more coming in. If that means a playmaker, a defensive midfielder and possibly cover at centre back them I'd take it. However I'd want the first 2 to be absolute top quality at least on a par with Bailey. For example the DM should be in the camavinga/locatelli/gravenberch range because that's the only way you get fans properly excited again.

It'd be an easier pill to swallow if that came through. I don't see us buying that level of quality unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Backup striker and first choice winger? Well, we need a playmaker and a proper midfielder in then to fill out those gaps. Is Bailey really going to lead the line though? And if so, why the renewed interest in Abraham?

I'm just going on the comments from the announcement (and because I don't particularly want to see us spunk away half the money we get for Jack on Abraham).
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Post by: Rudy65 on August 04, 2021, 03:03:45 PM
I wonder why the lack of interest in Pereira?

Agreed. He looks decent
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 03:05:20 PM
I think Man City with DeBruyne, Pep and Foden are a bigger drawer than us right now. As has been shown by our captain asking to move there, I don't think we would illicit the same response from Ward Prowse.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 03:09:38 PM
Backup striker and first choice winger? Well, we need a playmaker and a proper midfielder in then to fill out those gaps. Is Bailey really going to lead the line though? And if so, why the renewed interest in Abraham?

I'm just going on the comments from the announcement (and because I don't particularly want to see us spunk away half the money we get for Jack on Abraham).

Neither do I man. I don't dislike Tammy and if we lacked a no. 9 I'd be quite happy with him, but as things stand it'd strike me as an almost obnoxiously-inefficient use of funds. Neither Tammy or Ollie are versatile in a top six sense - they lead the line or nada. They don't have the creativity, close technique or sharp interplay to really be a threat out wide like Mane or someone; their strengths lie in channel-running, holding the ball up, occupying defenders and being in the bloody box. £40m on Tammy when there are other areas of the team more in need, hoping he or Ollie would become a star on the wing, would be a terrible move.

Nevertheless Percy and the Athletic both say we're interested, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Tammy and Cantwell the only names coming through with any consistency right now. Oh, and Bess McNeil. This isn't great.
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Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 03:10:32 PM
It sounds like Smith sees Bailey as the backup striker and the rumour is 2-3 more coming in. If that means a playmaker, a defensive midfielder and possibly cover at centre back them I'd take it. However I'd want the first 2 to be absolute top quality at least on a par with Bailey. For example the DM should be in the camavinga/locatelli/gravenberch range because that's the only way you get fans properly excited again.

It'd be an easier pill to swallow if that came through. I don't see us buying that level of quality unfortunately.

Nor can I sadly,  mostly because we seem determined to stick with the 'premier league experience' thing given all the links. I'd convinced myself it was just lazy journalism linking us to most of them but heavy links to players like ESR, Tuanzebe, Tammy and JWP along with tentative links to Curtis Jones, Cantwell, etc make me think it's a genuine policy this summer. What makes that so annoying is that so many clubs in Europe are going to be taking a haircut on players to keep the lights on (as we've seen with Bailey to be fair), this is the perfect window to pick up some real quality on the cheap and we don't seem to be looking very hard.  Or maybe I'm just a bit pissed off today and I'm being overly critical.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:11:52 PM
Cantwell, Tuanzebe and Abrahams after losing Grealish would be a shite window.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 04, 2021, 03:15:22 PM
The prospect of so many new players coming in is exciting, but it's going to take time for them to get used to playing together. Our season could take a while to get going.

On the other hand, the defence and goalkeeper are settled, and that's the most difficult bit to organise.
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Post by: aev on August 04, 2021, 03:16:58 PM
Cantwell, Tuanzebe and Abrahams after losing Grealish would be a shite window.

Let’s hope there is no Colonel of truth in that.
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 03:17:22 PM
An interesting sidenote is that JWP and Grealish share the same agent. So shouldn't be a problem to sell the deal to him and get him to agitate for a move.
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Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 03:20:00 PM
Cantwell, Tuanzebe and Abrahams after losing Grealish would be a shite window.

Let’s hope there is no Colonel of truth in that.

If you was to add Emi and Bailey to that list that ain’t so bad at all.

Losing Grealish in any transfer window would always leave a sorry bitter taste no matter who we bought.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2021, 03:28:33 PM
An interesting sidenote is that JWP and Grealish share the same agent. So shouldn't be a problem to sell the deal to him and get him to agitate for a move.

Would be so crap to do that to another club though. We know how we feel. To go and do Norwich and Southampton over at the same time would be crap.
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Post by: passport1 on August 04, 2021, 03:31:01 PM
I fully understand the upset of some fans but remain optimistic that we are now in a very strong position to increase the strength and depth of the squad. I think the cash injection will bring forward our spending plans by at least a season and in so doing make us a genuine top six contender.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:35:47 PM
Emi and Bailey improve the first 11, losing Grealish massively weakens it. We're trending water signing Tuanzebe, Cantwell and Tammy for £80m+. Squad depth is all well and good but the first 11 wasn't top half material anyway last season and so needs improving.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2021, 03:35:47 PM
An interesting sidenote is that JWP and Grealish share the same agent. So shouldn't be a problem to sell the deal to him and get him to agitate for a move.

Would be so crap to do that to another club though. We know how we feel. To go and do Norwich and Southampton over at the same time would be crap.
I haven't got a problem with us making a decent bid for JWP and if he wants to push for a move that's down to him.  I'd be uncomfortable taking a second player from Norwich unless they were keen as they don't want his contract running down further.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2021, 03:37:09 PM
It's like Barca selling Messi, signing 3 Martials and saying we're stronger
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Post by: astonvilla82 on August 04, 2021, 03:37:43 PM
We have to get over this being nice attitude to other clubs on transfers, that what the like of Manchester don't do,would have done it years ago myself but I don't do it now
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2021, 03:41:30 PM
If we continue loaning players from Man Utd (and possibly Chelsea) that says to me that we’re still small time far more than having to sell our best player to the league champions for a record fee with it seeming that we’d rather not.
I thought our scouting network was meant to be the dogs bollocks and the best we can come up with is another loan from Man Utd. Fuck off.
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Post by: FatSam on August 04, 2021, 03:43:32 PM
Cantwell, Tuanzebe and Abrahams after losing Grealish would be a shite window.

Let’s hope there is no Colonel of truth in that.
For a long time I misremembered Trapped as being by Admiral Kernaghan.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 04, 2021, 03:46:42 PM
It's like Barca selling Messi, signing 3 Martials and saying we're stronger

3 Martials would all be playing in the same position.  If we could bring in Ward Prowse, Alvarez, Tammy and 1 other with the money IF Grealish is gone then I am still confident we are going in the right direction. 
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 03:49:10 PM
Why? Tammy wouldn't get in the team and Alvarez is totally unproven. So we'd be swapping Ward Prowse for Grealish, which is a major down grade.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 04, 2021, 03:50:39 PM
Tuanzebe makes sense i guess on loan. We can save the money on other key areas and get a cb in next summer
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 03:53:50 PM
So just buy a proper DM instead. We have the money.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
What is the obsession with trying out average defenders in defensive midfield? Just buy a proper brilliant midfielder.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2021, 03:57:40 PM
I know there's a bit of a downer on Cantwell, but I rate him. Granted I don't watch much of other football these days, but whenever I've seen him I've been impressed. He has a sureness of touch and a bit of arrogance like some other ****** who's name I've forgotten.

I don't get it at all. He's a really good player who is only 23. He has excellent movement and certainly won't have an issue linking up with Buendia. He's not Grealish, so everyone needs to stop thinking we will be replacing him like for like. What we need to do is ensure we play like we did when we had him, so buying players to fit that system makes complete sense. Dean Smith likes a high press so these players are fast on the counter and can keep the ball higher up the pitch. Our goal will be to move up the table and be more consistent than we were when Jack was missing. That's all that matters now.
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Post by: steamer on August 04, 2021, 03:58:39 PM
If we continue loaning players from Man Utd (and possibly Chelsea) that says to me that we’re still small time far more than having to sell our best player to the league champions for a record fee with it seeming that we’d rather not.
I thought our scouting network was meant to be the dogs bollocks and the best we can come up with is another loan from Man Utd. Fuck off.
100%
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Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
If we continue loaning players from Man Utd (and possibly Chelsea) that says to me that we’re still small time far more than having to sell our best player to the league champions for a record fee with it seeming that we’d rather not.
I thought our scouting network was meant to be the dogs bollocks and the best we can come up with is another loan from Man Utd. Fuck off.

Indeed.
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Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 04:02:33 PM
Cantwell's fine. Not for £40m. Not for a team who want to get into Europe having just lost their best attacking player. I don't expect Grealish to be replaced directly, but that doesn't mean that we have to be content with just anybody. We've just signed this Bailey chap, there must be more proven, exciting and available options.
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Post by: London Villan on August 04, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
433 with the 10 being a deeper player maker, Cowans-esqu rather than an attacking 10, would be my preference.
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Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 04:06:29 PM
I know there's a bit of a downer on Cantwell, but I rate him. Granted I don't watch much of other football these days, but whenever I've seen him I've been impressed. He has a sureness of touch and a bit of arrogance like some other ****** who's name I've forgotten.

I don't get it at all. He's a really good player who is only 23. He has excellent movement and certainly won't have an issue linking up with Buendia. He's not Grealish, so everyone needs to stop thinking we will be replacing him like for like. What we need to do is ensure we play like we did when we had him, so buying players to fit that system makes complete sense. Dean Smith likes a high press so these players are fast on the counter and can keep the ball higher up the pitch. Our goal will be to move up the table and be more consistent than we were when Jack was missing. That's all that matters now.

Yay, lets progress into the top 6 in Europe by playing like we did in the championship and bringing back the players we had then, could probably do deals for Whelan and Hutton as well.
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Post by: john e on August 04, 2021, 04:08:19 PM
I like Cantwell

He’s a bit of a showman with skills
He gets my vote
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Post by: frank black on August 04, 2021, 04:08:40 PM
So just buy a proper DM instead. We have the money.
Calvin Philips would be ideal.
Very Dean Smith . I think he was very close to joining few years ago and was given one more season.

? Really, maybe we should go for realistic targets
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2021, 04:09:44 PM
So just buy a proper DM instead. We have the money.
Calvin Philips would be ideal.
Very Dean Smith . I think he was very close to joining few years ago and was given one more season.




Problem with Phillips is he's actually loyal to his club
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Post by: frank black on August 04, 2021, 04:11:07 PM
I like Cantwell

He’s a bit of a showman with skills
He gets my vote

I reckon we’d be paying north of 40 mil after add ons. A risk for sure and whilst I believe it would work out well, I can’t see us taking that risk.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 04:20:06 PM
So just buy a proper DM instead. We have the money.
Calvin Philips would be ideal.
Very Dean Smith . I think he was very close to joining few years ago and was given one more season.




Problem with Phillips is he's actually loyal to his club
Yes more the Yorkshire Mark Noble than Pirlo
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Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2021, 04:21:08 PM
Now favourites for Danny Ings...
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 04, 2021, 04:22:02 PM
Loaning Tuanzebe? Improving cunty teams' players for them?

Have I fallen through a wormhole and ended up back in 2018?
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Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 04:22:33 PM
Now favourites for Danny Ings...

Assuming he'd be content to be backup? That would be a bit strange, but he would give us something we don't currently have - just a ruthless goal arsehole.
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Post by: usav on August 04, 2021, 04:23:16 PM
Loaning Tuanzebe? Improving cunty teams' players for them?

Have I fallen through a wormhole and ended up back in 2018?

he provides good cover, he's familiar with our setup and style of play etc, can't see the problem myself.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2021, 04:23:40 PM
Loaning Tuanzebe? Improving cunty teams' players for them?

Have I fallen through a wormhole and ended up back in 2018?

Will be with a buy option. Smart move
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Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
So now we're linked with...

Ings
Abraham
Cantwell
Alvarez
JWP
Tuanzebe
Damsgaard

Already in
Bailey
Buendia
Young

Various academy players too.

We can't say it's not interesting times
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Post by: Drummond on August 04, 2021, 04:25:33 PM
Now favourites for Danny Ings...

Assuming he'd be content to be backup? That would be a bit strange, but he would give us something we don't currently have - just a ruthless goal arsehole.

Yeah, my take is that it's a different option. We could easily play with wingers etc. Plus he and Watkins could play together.
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Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 04:26:02 PM
Loaning Tuanzebe? Improving cunty teams' players for them?

Have I fallen through a wormhole and ended up back in 2018?

Will be with a buy option. Smart move

That would make more sense. Would take him in the squad.
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
So just buy a proper DM instead. We have the money.
Calvin Philips would be ideal.
Very Dean Smith . I think he was very close to joining few years ago and was given one more season.




Problem with Phillips is he's actually loyal to his club

He wouldn't have been if we had offered £30m. He was pushing for a move, we just weren't in a position to offer Leeds what they would accept.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 04, 2021, 04:27:03 PM
Loaning Tuanzebe? Improving cunty teams' players for them?

Have I fallen through a wormhole and ended up back in 2018?

Will be with a buy option. Smart move

If that's the deal, with a fee already agreed, then absolutely fair enough.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2021, 04:27:24 PM
Ithought he looked supremely average at the Euros.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Phillips, not Axel!
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 04:29:21 PM
Ithought he looked supremely average at the Euros.

Really? I think general consensus was that he did well.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2021, 04:30:20 PM
Looked ok in thefirst game, not so much afterwards. To me.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Think we should bidding for players like Bellingham and Maddison, two players of that quality would leave us stronger.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Ithought he looked supremely average at the Euros.

Really? I think general consensus was that he did well.
Did you know
Bielsa converted him from an attacking midfielder to a deeper lying one.

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Post by: aj2k77 on August 04, 2021, 04:34:50 PM
He looked like he could run around all day but on the ball as comfortable as Chris Samba. To me anyway.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Think we should bidding for players like Bellingham and Maddison, two players of that quality would leave us stronger.

Madders can't stand the Villa he's a cov lad and another with Holiday rep attitude.
He threw away his chance for the Euros with his antics last season and lost his place and let Leicester down in their champions league quest as well losing out for his place in the FA cup final.
Don't need that for all his talent. He wouldn't come here anyway no love for us
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Post by: john e on August 04, 2021, 04:40:32 PM
Think we should bidding for players like Bellingham and Maddison, two players of that quality would leave us stronger.

Ha ha can you imagine if we replaced Grealish win Bellingham
I know they don’t play in the same spot but you know fuck me it would be funny to see
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Post by: CT on August 04, 2021, 04:47:59 PM
Think we should bidding for players like Bellingham and Maddison, two players of that quality would leave us stronger.

Ha ha can you imagine if we replaced Grealish win Bellingham
I know they don’t play in the same spot but you know fuck me it would be funny to see


Small Heath would melt.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 05:05:40 PM
Ithought he looked supremely average at the Euros.

Really? I think general consensus was that he did well.

Better than Rice but that's a fairly low bar!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:08:10 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2021, 05:12:05 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 04, 2021, 05:19:20 PM
After watching a YouTube compilation of Emi’s highlights I even wonder if he could be a better player than Jack? 

Perfectly two footed, amazing passing range and loads of end product. He has Jack’s ability of making every other player look like they’re running in treacle, but seems even faster.

Am I getting too excited?

I think you need to apologise to the site and feel jolly bad about that statement.

Bump from when Emi signed. I hope this rings true for the rest of the season.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 05:20:59 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.

I’d have either in a heartbeat. Exactly what we need. As for Cantwell, good young player. We shouldn’t compare him to Grealish but he will do well with better players around him, in his own right. 
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Post by: OCD on August 04, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.

I agree.

Having said Leon Bailey has a bad attitude, Arsenal are trying to sign Maddison? Not sure how they reach their conclusions.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2021, 05:28:08 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:29:37 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.

I’d have either in a heartbeat. Exactly what we need. As for Cantwell, good young player. We shouldn’t compare him to Grealish but he will do well with better players around him, in his own right.

Is Cantwell, 23, that much worse than Grealish, 26, was three years ago?
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Post by: manic-road on August 04, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
Wouldn't mind us trying to get Stefano Sensi from Inter knowing that they are skint and are desperate to reduce the debt.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)
Axel, Cantwell, JWP & Tammy?

All very good players, likely to come in at well over £100m.  Not sure that's how I'd want to spend the money.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:32:34 PM
Tuanzebe signing new Man U deal before joining us on loan. So we will literally be paying to help develop a Man U player. Mickey fucking Mouse.
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Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 05:33:08 PM
Wouldn't mind us trying to get Stefano Sensi from Inter knowing that they are skint and are desperate to reduce the debt.

I'd be all for getting an inter player or 2 if only because it makes it easier for them to tell Chelsea to fuck off over Lukaku.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 05:33:09 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.

I’d have either in a heartbeat. Exactly what we need. As for Cantwell, good young player. We shouldn’t compare him to Grealish but he will do well with better players around him, in his own right.

Is Cantwell, 23, that much worse than Grealish, 26, was three years ago?

Interesting point that. Someone will have to check their comparable stats at that age.
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Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2021, 05:33:14 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)

And if we get them right we could be looking very good indeed.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2021, 05:34:53 PM
Tuanzebe signing new Man U deal before joining us on loan. So we will literally be paying to help develop a Man U player. Mickey fucking Mouse.
We need back up.  If smeone puts their foot through Konsa's knee in the first game of the season we need someone to step in.  Paying £5m for that insurance whilst allowing us to concentrate our mains funds elsewhere doesn't sound that Mickey Mouse to me.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 05:38:45 PM
I still think Villa could do with a hardened defensive central midfielder because we have a soft underbelly sometimes. We have some quality attacking midfielders and it would be great to support them to do their thing whilst we know we have somebody of the calibre of say, a Calvin Phillips sitting in front of our defence. Surely with the money we’ve got and the scouting we have, we can find one from abroad.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:40:54 PM
Tuanzebe signing new Man U deal before joining us on loan. So we will literally be paying to help develop a Man U player. Mickey fucking Mouse.
We need back up.  If smeone puts their foot through Konsa's knee in the first game of the season we need someone to step in.

Preferably somebody of a Premier League standard who won't be injured. He has been injured for over a full year in the last three seasons.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/axel-tuanzebe/verletzungen/spieler/342046

We aren't limited on funds, in any case. We spend well over £100 million a year even when we haven't sold a player for the highest fee in British history. Suggesting we couldn't acquire a better option than one that requires us to pay for a Scab Six player's physiotherapy suggests a lack of imagination.
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Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2021, 05:43:19 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)

Vinne,Is that what we're after or what you personally would like to see?
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Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2021, 05:47:08 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.

Thought Phillips was ok but Rice was dreadful. Neither were unable to grab control of any game and pass the ball consistently forward. Sitting on top of 2 or 3 centre backs was all Rice did or pass to his full back/wing back. Both are much better with their clubs to be fair.
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Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 05:47:42 PM
I really rate Phillips but we won't be getting him. Rice is excellent too and they both had good Euros IMO.
Absolutely.  I'm baffled by the critisism of Philips and particulalry Rice - they're both outstanding players.

Wasn't it mainly people just stroppy that we weren't shoe-horning eight attacking midfielders (including you know who) in, and they were seen as taking up a spot from a more fun player?

I don't think it was anything personal to them.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 05:49:45 PM
England did well to make the final considering that seemingly all but one of their players were shit, and he only played about half an hour in meaningful games. 😁
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Post by: lukey27 on August 04, 2021, 05:53:37 PM
Reading between the lines, I would suggest that Axel signing a new contract with them is just to cover them if we decide not to pay the likely agreed fee at the end of the loan.

It would mean they will get some money for him from another club rather than him potentially walking away for nothing.

Engels played no minutes last year for us. So I'd imagine Tuanzebe is first cover CB and an option for full back if Cash is injured.

Like others have said we seem to like the idea of developing Bogarde. So this is a relatively cheap and v decent squad option.
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Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 06:04:53 PM
Ash is cover for Targett
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 06:06:16 PM
Further evidence of Villa seemingly accepting their place in the pecking order. Sell players to Man City, develop players for Man U.
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Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)

Vinne,Is that what we're after or what you personally would like to see?

Vinnie is to the point and passes on what he's heard. It's much appreciated.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2021, 06:15:56 PM
After Axel, two midfielders and a forward (plus 3rd keeper)

Vinne,Is that what we're after or what you personally would like to see?

I hope that’s right as I think that’s what we should be looking for, a better striker than Wes or Davies, a replacement in Jack’s position, a defensive mid a right sided cb and ideally another GK.
Like I say though if Man U won’t sell Alex outright they should be told to go and get fucked, we don’t train their players any more.
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 04, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
WTF - We've just signed Danny Ings?!!

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/Villa-announce-Danny-Ings-signing/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/Villa-announce-Danny-Ings-signing/)
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Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2021, 06:40:22 PM
Am I being spoofed or have we just signed Danny Ings?
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Post by: curiousorange on August 04, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
So...we've signed Danny Ings.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on August 04, 2021, 06:42:54 PM
Danny Ings? We’ll that sweetens the day we find out Jacks off 🙄
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2021, 06:43:00 PM
NEVER SAW THAT COMING!
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Post by: nigel on August 04, 2021, 06:43:05 PM
Might be a hit harder to attract players to the club without Grealish who was surely a big draw for attacking players anyway. Then again, most professional footballers are mercenaries so if we pay them enough they won't care too much!

The flip side is players might want to come now as they stand a chance of being the main man
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 06:43:32 PM
Wtf haha
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2021, 06:44:58 PM
Well this has been one hell of a window. We’ve really signed some quality. I reckon that fella from Birmingham may regret leaving us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on August 04, 2021, 06:47:08 PM
So, we've replaced JG with Ings?  I searched Twitter for some news and his named popped up in a lot of threads from Chelsea fans saying they should sign Ings instead of Lukaku, so ... ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 04, 2021, 06:48:55 PM
Where has that come from!! Doesn’t really fit our recent profile in terms of younger players, but Danny Ings is a top player. Doubt we’ll be going for Tammy now or that Southampton will sell us Ward Prowse as well.

No messing from the club though
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on August 04, 2021, 06:52:39 PM
Getting Ings in will put to bed the Tammy rumours.
Unless we’re planning on 3 up top
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 06:58:00 PM
So, we've replaced JG with Ings?  I searched Twitter for some news and his named popped up in a lot of threads from Chelsea fans saying they should sign Ings instead of Lukaku, so ... ?

*Smiles and ruffles ExclDawg's hair*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 04, 2021, 06:59:38 PM
We’re gonna tear some defences new ones this season, for sure.
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Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Much happier with Ings than Tammy to be fair, better fit for the squad we have.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
So is Watkins gonna play on the wing? Be nice to have proper options up front regardless.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 07:07:43 PM
What a fantastic signing!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
So is Watkins gonna play on the wing? Be nice to have proper options up front regardless.
I think all 3 - Watkins, Ings and Bailey - will be interchangeable across the front. Defences will not know where to look!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 04, 2021, 07:13:29 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

Think Ings qualifies as a left field signing. Straight out of nowhere.


And let's not forget the kids coming through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 04, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
With buendia providing providing the firepower. Looking much more positive now
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 04, 2021, 07:15:07 PM
Another £100m in the war chest for signings.
All out for Ward-Prowse?
Axel and Tammy on loans with a signing option?
Cantwell?
I'm sure we've got a few already lined up - one or two who might be left field.

Think Ings qualifies as a left field signing. Straight out of nowhere.


And let's not forget the kids coming through.

Meant to add:

Ings - definitely a left field signing - straight out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 07:15:33 PM
So is Watkins gonna play on the wing? Be nice to have proper options up front regardless.
I think all 3 - Watkins, Ings and Bailey - will be interchangeable across the front. Defences will not know where to look!

That sounds like my kind of fun 🙂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 07:25:11 PM
Update to preferred formation:

Martinez

Bailey
Konsa
Mings
Buendia

McGinn
JWP

Cantwell
Ings
Watkins
Traore

Take Martinez off for JPB if we need a goal.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 04, 2021, 07:30:30 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 07:35:30 PM
Maybe McGinn will be more of a bastard now his mate has gone. We could attach spikes to his arsecheeks, nobody would want to play against him then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 04, 2021, 07:36:01 PM
Who needs to go to Blackpool Pleasure Beach or Alton Towers when you can ride on the Aston Villa roller coaster without leaving home or spending a penny?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 07:36:16 PM
What would people say to Danny Ings? Worth a punt?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 07:38:36 PM
We don’t need a defensive midfielder where we’re going!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 04, 2021, 07:38:47 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Not that I think Phillips is worth £100m... But what is stopping us stomping over clubs for their best players like we have?  Rice?  We need to do the same to other clubs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 04, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Id love us to get Camavinga, €32m that Fabio Romano chap was saying a couple of weeks back. He's going to be a superstar.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ExclDawg on August 04, 2021, 07:40:00 PM
Interesting comments from the Southampton manager. Preparing for someone to leave ?

SaintsExtra
@SaintsExtra
 · 33m
Ralph Hasenhuttl: "It is getting more & more difficult these days to extend contracts with players. Time has changed. To become a legend at a club is not interesting anymore.”

The signs were there
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Id love us to get Camavinga, €32m that Fabio Romano chap was saying a couple of weeks back. He's going to be a superstar.

As I said earlier him, Locatelli or Gravenberch, or maybe go back for that Pape Sarr we were linked to a while back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 04, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
If there's still a couple of midfielders to come in, I can't wait to see who they are.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 07:50:14 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Id love us to get Camavinga, €32m that Fabio Romano chap was saying a couple of weeks back. He's going to be a superstar.

As I said earlier him, Locatelli or Gravenberch, or maybe go back for that Pape Sarr we were linked to a while back.

Ah yeah I have seen you mention Pape Sarr before. I think that Camavinga bloke seems to be destined for a current CL team but we can live in hope.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 07:57:51 PM
I'm expecting another box-office signing for the midfield base to go with Tuanzebe and that being our lot. Which is exciting but I'm a little apprehensive - Dean always used the rationale that the wholesale changes we made upon promotion would reduce in subsequent windows as we would only need to recruit one or two each time. This summer will end-up with close to half a team's worth of outfield first-team starters. I just hope they all gel....

As for outgoings, for morale/squad number-easing and blooding some of the youngsters; we need to find new homes for Conor and Wesley/Keinan (even if on-loan).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2021, 08:04:25 PM
Were we linked with Philips before he came a DCM?  Seems strange that he was a player Smith appeared to really rate but we’ve barely been linked with a similar player since (Nakamba aside)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2021, 08:06:52 PM
We need a 25 year old Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 08:09:44 PM
We need a 25 year old Jedinak.

That'd pretty much what Nakamba is, we need a much better footballer than that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
Were we linked with Philips before he came a DCM?  Seems strange that he was a player Smith appeared to really rate but we’ve barely been linked with a similar player since (Nakamba aside)

We bid for him after the first season Bielsa played him there. Would probably have been the summer after our promotion.

Shame we didn't get him really, the rumoured £25-30m looks a steal now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
With Ings and  Watkins available, surely we’d want them both in the side? Are we moving to 4-1-3-2?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Think we should go balls out with a big offer for Bellingham.  Blues fans would hate it and is a very good player. Be hillarious if he won the FA cup for us whist taking out ratboy in the final.

More realistically Anguissa at Fulham is a good player, and gettable.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
You have to think we’re still going to see a couple of box office midfield signings now (plus Axel and presumably another keeper). Squad shaping up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 04, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
You have to think we’re still going to see a couple of box office midfield signings now (plus Axel and presumably another keeper). Squad shaping up.

ASM next up for the left and we will be really cooking with gas...  8)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 08:24:54 PM
Big fan of his. Haven't seen much of him since he had Long Covid, though. Is he still as good as he was?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2021, 08:25:43 PM
Bissouma would be the answer, but even though they are different types of player I’d still prefer JWP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2021, 08:27:38 PM
Martinez

Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash

JWP (I hope)
McGinn

Buendia

Bailey
Ings
Watkins

With Traore and El Ghazi on the bench, with Sanson and Luiz, with Hause and Tuanezebe, with Ash and a host of supremely talented kids in the squad.

That's a top 6 side/squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2021, 08:31:28 PM
Martinez

Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash

JWP (I hope)
McGinn

Buendia

Bailey
Ings
Watkins

With Traore and El Ghazi on the bench, with Sanson and Luiz, with Hause and Tuanezebe, with Ash and a host of supremely talented kids in the squad.

That's a top 6 side/squad.
It’s a bit mouthwatering that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2021, 08:32:54 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Not that I think Phillips is worth £100m... But what is stopping us stomping over clubs for their best players like we have?  Rice?  We need to do the same to other clubs.

Milenkovic Savic from Lazio is the one for me. 6ft + and bit like Soucek at West Ham but technically better. Can play any of the three positions in midfield and Lazio didn't make CL so you never know.

Would offer 50m just to see what happens. He has been linked to many clubs in last few years but hasn't moved.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 04, 2021, 08:33:35 PM
With Ings and  Watkins available, surely we’d want them both in the side? Are we moving to 4-1-3-2?

I'd see 4-2-1-3

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 04, 2021, 08:37:58 PM
I dont think signing Messi, Ronaldo and Pamela Anderson to bring a half time pint of Bathams to my seat in the Trinity would lift my gloom today.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 08:41:21 PM
I was in a strop earlier but fuck it. Looking forward to the season again now.

Maybe Lou could replace Guess the Crowd with Guess the Lineup as it may be more difficult? 😄
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SteveN on August 04, 2021, 08:41:59 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Not that I think Phillips is worth £100m... But what is stopping us stomping over clubs for their best players like we have?  Rice?  We need to do the same to other clubs.

Milenkovic Savic from Lazio is the one for me. 6ft + and bit like Soucek at West Ham but technically better. Can play any of the three positions in midfield and Lazio didn't make CL so you never know.

Would offer 50m just to see what happens. He has been linked to many clubs in last few years but hasn't moved.

Sander Berge would fit the bill.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 08:44:49 PM
Martinez

Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash

JWP (I hope)
McGinn

Buendia

Bailey
Ings
Watkins

With Traore and El Ghazi on the bench, with Sanson and Luiz, with Hause and Tuanezebe, with Ash and a host of supremely talented kids in the squad.

That's a top 6 side/squad.

I think it's one top creative midfielder short of top six.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Not that I think Phillips is worth £100m... But what is stopping us stomping over clubs for their best players like we have?  Rice?  We need to do the same to other clubs.

Milenkovic Savic from Lazio is the one for me. 6ft + and bit like Soucek at West Ham but technically better. Can play any of the three positions in midfield and Lazio didn't make CL so you never know.

Would offer 50m just to see what happens. He has been linked to many clubs in last few years but hasn't moved.

Sander Berge would fit the bill.

He's right - Milinković-Savić couldn't be a more perfect final piece of this jigsaw if you were designing a player from scratch.

Berge is fine. But he's about a quarter of the player Milinković-Savić is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 04, 2021, 08:55:53 PM
I’m really keen to know who will be coming into midfield we really need someone to come in and boss things.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2021, 08:59:43 PM
Is it widely unreasonable to hope for Cantwell and Ward-Prowse?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 09:00:59 PM
Is it widely unreasonable to hope for Cantwell and Ward-Prowse?

Seems perfectly fair to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 04, 2021, 09:05:03 PM
Just been downstairs having dinner, have we signed anyone else since half seven?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2021, 09:06:09 PM
Is it widely unreasonable to hope for Cantwell and Ward-Prowse?

Vinnie reckoned a striker, two midfielders, back up GK and Axel. So yeah why not.

Cantwell is a good player, would prefer Madison but would not be unhappy with Cantwell at all. JWP would be a very good signing too.

Would also like the young Argie we keep getting linked with (Alvarez), but that's probably this years Rashica.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
Coming round to Cantwell but only if we also sign Ward Prowse, so we can say we've signed the two best players from two different PL clubs. Not very nice, but it's an angle.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 09:08:32 PM
Still think were missing a bastard in midfield.

A bastard that can also play.

And me. What DM is actually realistic though? No daft Phillips-like suggestions. I'm not up to date with European teams. I don't think Smith is looking for one though.

Not that I think Phillips is worth £100m... But what is stopping us stomping over clubs for their best players like we have?  Rice?  We need to do the same to other clubs.

Milenkovic Savic from Lazio is the one for me. 6ft + and bit like Soucek at West Ham but technically better. Can play any of the three positions in midfield and Lazio didn't make CL so you never know.

Would offer 50m just to see what happens. He has been linked to many clubs in last few years but hasn't moved.

Sander Berge would fit the bill.

He's right - Milinković-Savić couldn't be a more perfect final piece of this jigsaw if you were designing a player from scratch.

Berge is fine. But he's about a quarter of the player Milinković-Savić is.

I thought milinkovic-savic played further forward, he's always been more box-to-box when I've seen him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 09:10:10 PM
SMS' position at Lazio is 'be, on the pitch, wherever you want'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2021, 09:11:34 PM
Do we really need to sign another defensive midfielder with Luiz and Nakamba? I'd prefer SJM was pushed further forward but he can obviously put a shift in that role too if required. I don't rate Nakamba tbf, and Luiz can be dodgy at times, so may be someone to make that position their own as a midfield enforcer wouldn't be such a bad shout actually.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2021, 09:21:43 PM
SMS' position at Lazio is 'be, on the pitch, wherever you want'.

Yeah, exactly, great player but not the disciplined option to protect the defence and let the 5 in front of him, and the full backs, bomb on.

Do we really need to sign another defensive midfielder with Luiz and Nakamba? I'd prefer SJM was pushed further forward but he can obviously put un a shift in that role too if required.

Nakamba is ok at breaking up play but doesn't read the game as well as I'd like and he's very limited at transitioning play, which is a huge part of being a good DM. He's a useful option but he'd be best served as a the destroyer when we need an extra defensive option in there.

Luiz is a funny one, I think he's nearly a good DM, reads play well, has a good range of passing and gets around the pitch well but he's just too naïve for his own good. He's been tricked into giving away soft free kicks far too many times. For now I think he'd be better playing a little further forward and competing with McGinn and Sanson.

A top drawer Defensive Midfielder in there would really help us in getting all the quality attacking players into the mix without giving up the battle in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2021, 09:24:02 PM
Coming round to Cantwell but only if we also sign Ward Prowse, so we can say we've signed the two best players from two different PL clubs. Not very nice, but it's an angle.

Actually we already signed the two best players from both of them, moving on to the next best now!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2021, 09:29:47 PM
Coming round to Cantwell but only if we also sign Ward Prowse, so we can say we've signed the two best players from two different PL clubs. Not very nice, but it's an angle.

Actually we already signed the two best players from both of them, moving on to the next best now!

No yes I mean, the two best, from each. Top two in both Norfolk and Hampshire.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TaxDodger on August 04, 2021, 09:36:33 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2021, 09:38:46 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

No half time parachutists this time please

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2021, 09:39:54 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

No half time parachutists this time please



Unless it's Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 04, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

And Man City win the European Cup and we finish 6th again maybe. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 09:44:52 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

No half time parachutists this time please



Unless it's Grealish.

I wouldn't give him the parachute.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
I just can't see Saints or Norwich selling us their top two prized assets. Just like we wouldn't sell Mings/Watkins to Citeh (or anyone else).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
Milenkovic Savic from Lazio is the one for me. 6ft + and bit like Soucek at West Ham but technically better. Can play any of the three positions in midfield and Lazio didn't make CL so you never know.
Would offer 50m just to see what happens. He has been linked to many clubs in last few years but hasn't moved.
Interesting ...
... and definitely a player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2021, 09:51:04 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

No half time parachutists this time please



Unless it's Grealish.

Post of the day!
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 04, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
What about van de Beek, would Man Utd let him go? He's what we need. A CM capable of controlling the game and being creative.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 04, 2021, 10:09:41 PM
How about Brookes at Bournmouth rather than Cantwell, he always looked a player.

Caveat, I watch next to no Villa games so he might have moved or retired.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2021, 10:09:49 PM
I could see Norwich selling Cantwell, but can't see us getting JWP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:13:25 PM
Besides Young, who I obviously know about, any of our new acquisitions good at set pieces? I feel like we've discussed this but I've forgotten what was said.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
How about Brookes at Bournmouth rather than Cantwell, he always looked a player.

Caveat, I watch next to no Villa games so he might have moved or retired.

My non-Villa knowledge is also fairly sketchy, but I'm pretty sure MacDougall is the Bournemouth player we should be trying to get.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 04, 2021, 10:16:06 PM
Bailey has scored some freekicks
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2021, 10:17:13 PM
This season is going to be like 98/99 when we sold Yorke and signed Merson/Dublin etc. We're going to be top of the league at Christmas!

No half time parachutists this time please



Unless it's Grealish.

Post of the day!



He's got the whole diving thing mastered
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Let's take Alan St Maximum, Ruben Neves, Calvin Philips
and Wilf Zaha.too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:20:09 PM
Your suggestions are getting better, F-V. 🙂
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
Bailey has scored some freekicks

There's a decent and recent video of Ashley Young taking free kicks in training with El Ghazi . Lovely whip on the ball. Something Grealish could not do with shooting direct free kicks.
Though I'm sure he'll protest and say he offered to take them!
Nerve of the man.
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Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2021, 10:21:51 PM
Your suggestions are getting better, F-V. 🙂

He's come a long way from Jozy Altidore.
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Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
Besides Young, who I obviously know about, any of our new acquisitions good at set pieces? I feel like we've discussed this but I've forgotten what was said.

When we signed Buendia, Norwich fans seemed to hold the universal opinion that they would miss his general brilliance but could happily wave goodbye to his shit set-pieces.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 10:23:50 PM
I just can't see Saints or Norwich selling us their top two prized assets. Just like we wouldn't sell Mings/Watkins to Citeh (or anyone else).

I couldn't see a global pandemic. That's the answer
Money is needed by these clubs.
Raid Burnley while we're at it
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Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 10:24:58 PM
I just can't see Saints or Norwich selling us their top two prized assets. Just like we wouldn't sell Mings/Watkins to Citeh (or anyone else).

I couldn't see a global pandemic. That's the answer
Money is needed by these clubs.
Raid Burnley while we're at it

Do they have particularly good catering staff?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 10:26:31 PM
Besides Young, who I obviously know about, any of our new acquisitions good at set pieces? I feel like we've discussed this but I've forgotten what was said.

When we signed Buendia, Norwich fans seemed to hold the universal opinion that they would miss his general brilliance but could happily wave goodbye to his shit set-pieces.
We've got a set pieces coach now.
But remember not many direct free kicks are actually scored by players in football.
And actually not so many corners

However a better delivery is what's key as well as a more accurate shooter of the ball .
Practice is what makes Ronaldo so good.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
When was the last direct free kick we scored that wasn't Hourihane? I'm sure there's somebody really obvious that I've forgotten.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
Looks like Tuanzebe is also done according to Sky. Cantwell incoming too? I see JWP didn't start for the Saints in their friendly tonight.  I reckon we have him in the bag too.

                  Martinez
Cash    Konsa      Mings(*)      Targett
           McGinn     JWP?
Buendia      Cantwell?        Bailey
               Watkins/Ings

Subs from:  Steer, Traore, Sanson, Luiz, El Ghazi, Tuanzebe, Hause, Young, Guilbert, Nakamba, Chukwuemeka, Ramsey (x2), Wesley, Davis
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
When was the last direct free kick we scored that wasn't Hourihane? I'm sure there's somebody really obvious that I've forgotten.
Probably Bacuna ?!
Snoddy didn't get any in the league at his time with us. Maybe some one in the cup.

Generally free kick goals are rare. It's all a myth these days if some one getting 5+ goals from free kicks.
Only 10 players scored from a free kick last season in premier league and 9 of them only scored once.
And Ward Prowse scored 4 which was the most by any player and 2 gifted by us.

Willian
Matheus Pereira.   
Raphinha
Eze
Maddison
Murphy
Calvin Phillips!
Sterling and Xhaka
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:38:30 PM
I'd have thought it would be much higher than that. Thanks for the info!
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Post by: frank black on August 04, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
I'd have thought it would be much higher than that. Thanks for the info!

Me too…interesting that two of JWP’s were against us. It genuinely felt like we’d given em a penalty when we fouled them just outside the box.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
In my mind some players get 5-10 a year. Villa players never get more than one every ten years. In a cup game. At home to Leyton Orient. Which we still lose.
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
I'm sure that Zola had a ridiculous record in 1993/94 for Parma where he scored 1 in every 4 free kicks he took. Not strictly relevant here, granted. Just wondering where the dead ball specialists have gone.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:10:28 PM
What about a player plus cash for Cantwell.
Say Conor Hourihane to Norwich on loan.  Supplement the wages in exchange for Cantwell and £30m
Conor gets to see out his Villa contract and stays in Prem.
Or send him to Palace for Wilf Zaha.
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Post by: selly park trinity on August 04, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 11:10:53 PM
Cynical theory: since the ludicrous "it's a penalty even if it isn't deliberate" handball rule was introduced, players aim near the top of the wall hoping for a handball penalty when the wall are untangling their arms rather than trying to score direct.

I have no evidence to back this up.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 04, 2021, 11:13:40 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I think I might have read an article which said that statistically, the best free kick taker was Juninho, no not that one, who played for Lyon.  Brazilian defender if I mind correctly. No doubt Ill soon be swiftly proved wrong
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:14:53 PM
In my mind some players get 5-10 a year. Villa players never get more than one every ten years. In a cup game. At home to Leyton Orient. Which we still lose.

It's not exact buts it's like that gamblers fallacy belief.
The percentages for corners and free kick goals are well below people's expectations for goals.

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Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 11:18:05 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I think I might have read an article which said that statistically, the best free kick taker was Juninho, no not that one, who played for Lyon.  Brazilian defender if I mind correctly. No doubt Ill soon be swiftly proved wrong

Deep-lying playmaker rather than defender.

Basically a really good version of Ruben Neves.
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:18:40 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I'm pretty sure I remember him getting a hat trick of free kicks for Lazio.
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:21:13 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I think I might have read an article which said that statistically, the best free kick taker was Juninho, no not that one, who played for Lyon.  Brazilian defender if I mind correctly. No doubt Ill soon be swiftly proved wrong

I think that is right, yeah. From way out as well, sometimes with no angle whatsoever to shoot at.
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Post by: Rory on August 04, 2021, 11:26:10 PM
Cynical theory: since the ludicrous "it's a penalty even if it isn't deliberate" handball rule was introduced, players aim near the top of the wall hoping for a handball penalty when the wall are untangling their arms rather than trying to score direct.

I have no evidence to back this up.

Problem is, the rule changes depending on who is playing. It varies from "yes, look, he's got his eyes closed and his head facing the other way, but the ball clearly makes contact with the finger, or at least the fingernail, and that causes a significant deviation to the trajectory of the ball" to "he can't move his arm out of the way in time, yes he moves towards the ball, grips it with both hands, runs the full length of the pitch with it and drop-kicks it into the net, but there's no intent there, fair goal, let's stop over-analysing these things."
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:27:58 PM
So are we still going to push for Abraham? All the talk of Lukaku moving.
That would be something to get Tammy in as well.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 04, 2021, 11:28:01 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I think I might have read an article which said that statistically, the best free kick taker was Juninho, no not that one, who played for Lyon.  Brazilian defender if I mind correctly. No doubt Ill soon be swiftly proved wrong

I think that is right, yeah. From way out as well, sometimes with no angle whatsoever to shoot at.

44 goals from free kicks in 340 appearances for Lyon. Not too shabby
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 11:28:02 PM
Well, quite. They'd be better off just admitting it depends whether it happens in Man United's or the opposition penalty area.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2021, 11:28:31 PM
So are we still going to push for Abraham? All the talk of Lukaku moving.
That would be something to get Tammy in as well.

I think that's dead now. Ings or Abraham, not both. Tuanzebe in by the weekend and hopefully two midfielders by the end of the month is the prevailing speculation.

Wouldn't be amazed to see us sign a few more babbies for the future too.
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:30:05 PM
Mihajlovic was good in between being racist

I think I might have read an article which said that statistically, the best free kick taker was Juninho, no not that one, who played for Lyon.  Brazilian defender if I mind correctly. No doubt Ill soon be swiftly proved wrong

I think that is right, yeah. From way out as well, sometimes with no angle whatsoever to shoot at.

44 goals from free kicks in 340 appearances for Lyon. Not too shabby

Bloody hell. That is ridiculous.
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Post by: Dave on August 04, 2021, 11:30:58 PM
So are we still going to push for Abraham? All the talk of Lukaku moving.
That would be something to get Tammy in as well.

There is talk of a neat and tidy three-way switch - Inter sell Lukaku to Chelsea, Atalanta sell Zapata to Inter and Chelsea sell Abraham to Atalanta.

Atalanta would be a very nice move for Abraham if that were to happen.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 04, 2021, 11:36:02 PM
We’re not hanging around.
 
JWP tomorrow would be a real icing on the cake job for me. What positions do we need?

A couple of midfielders - JWP and Cantwell? Tuanzebe on loan? A new G/k?

Think this is going to be a few interesting days.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 04, 2021, 11:37:15 PM
In my mind some players get 5-10 a year. Villa players never get more than one every ten years. In a cup game. At home to Leyton Orient. Which we still lose.

It's not exact buts it's like that gamblers fallacy belief.
The percentages for corners and free kick goals are well below people's expectations for goals.

It's something like 1 in 50-odd corners leads to a goal, isn't it? Slightly at odds with the excitement when we get one!
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:40:36 PM
We’re not hanging around.
 
JWP tomorrow would be a real icing on the cake job for me. What positions do we need?

A couple of midfielders - JWP and Cantwell? Tuanzebe on loan? A new G/k?

Think this is going to be a few interesting days.

I'm of the view that we need an enforcer at the base of midfield. An upgrade on Nakamba. One thing I noticed was that got out muscled on occasion last season.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 04, 2021, 11:49:27 PM
Realistically 4 more signings?

JWP as a defensive midfielder
Cantwell to fill Grealish’s gap
Tuanzebe on a loan to buy
A spare keeper? Man Utd one has been rumoured.

I reckon that would make for a very good window indeed including the loss of our former Captain.

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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 04, 2021, 11:49:35 PM
I've been impressed with what I've seen from Nakamba in preseason. He seems more aware of where he's going to need to be than previously, not so rigid in his positioning, moves across the pitch more.
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Post by: Rory on August 04, 2021, 11:52:31 PM
I reckon that would make for a very good window indeed including the loss of our Captain.

Tyrone is still here. Our real captain.
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Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2021, 11:54:12 PM
I've been impressed with what I've seen from Nakamba in preseason. He seems more aware of where he's going to need to be than previously, not so rigid in his positioning, moves across the pitch more.

Worth potentially upgrading on though? He's not the biggest despite getting around. And he seems quite nice as a chap as well. Not a mean SOB whom would resort to the dark arts and wind up the opposition. I would personally look to spend a chunk of the remaining on an upgrade if possible.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 04, 2021, 11:54:59 PM
I reckon that would make for a very good window indeed including the loss of our Captain.

Tyrone is still here. Our real captain.

Please excuse my indiscretion. We’re not losing Mings. The other one, you know… well… there’s no I in team but there is a U in C…….
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 04, 2021, 11:56:31 PM
I just don't see JWP happening unfortunately. He recently signed a new long contract and is their captain...

Seriously though I doubt he's as much of a bellend with a massive ego like Splinter is. He's probably a bit nicer, although if he is a c*** then welcome aboard.
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Post by: Rory on August 04, 2021, 11:59:58 PM
I reckon that would make for a very good window indeed including the loss of our Captain.

Tyrone is still here. Our real captain.

Please excuse my indiscretion. We’re not losing Mings. The other one, you know… well… there’s no I in team but there is a U in C…….

Absolutely. I don't even mean that as a dig at Grealish. Just a mark of my love and respect for Tyrone.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 05, 2021, 12:03:19 AM
Agree. I’ve always thought Tyrone was the natural choice for Captain anyway and we only gave Grealish it to flatter his ego.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2021, 12:10:01 AM
I'd love us to go out and sign James Maddison.

I know it's not likely to happen, but fuck, what a sign of intent that would be.
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Post by: john2710 on August 05, 2021, 12:15:03 AM
I can’t see JWP or Cantwell coming. That would be close to £80m & neither side need the money.

Like Ings, I think they’ll be players completely out of the blue. A creative No10 & a defensive No6.

One or two to leave also. 
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 12:18:47 AM
With you all the way Paulie. After Ings, if we went and pulled Maddison out the bag, we would have turned the biscuit shin departure round brilliantly.

I think we will go all in for Cantwell, which I am ok with considering the quality around him, but Maddison would be a statement.

I think JWP would be too much, I would sooner we went back in for Sarr and got that over the line. A big strong midfielder with bags of potential. Maddison can take the dead balls lol.
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Post by: Matt C on August 05, 2021, 12:20:41 AM
Maddison would be some statement, looks like Leicester might be willing to sell too.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 05, 2021, 12:20:54 AM
We will end up with a better team yet.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 05, 2021, 12:37:13 AM
Houssem Aoar half the price of Maddison.Perhaps add Sanson.Then go and get Papa Sarr.The season   after get JWP on a reduced fee from relegated Saints,sell Nakamba.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 12:45:02 AM
Aouar I said a few days back should be on our list. Looks a really good player.
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2021, 01:06:03 AM
Aouar would probably be my ideal signing. Looking at our squad now I think we need someone who's more an 8/10 rather than another 10/winger, and Aouar is seriously good in that exact position in my view.

Edit: fuck me, apparently Lyon only want £22m? And Arsenal can't be bothered to pay it? What on earth are we waiting for, it's perfect!
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Post by: CT on August 05, 2021, 06:08:57 AM
For whatever it’s worth, Southampton were at home in a friendly last night, and a friend said they were all talking about Ings coming here.

Then they found out JWP wasn’t playing too, so the rumour mill went into overdrive.
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Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2021, 06:32:01 AM
I can’t see JWP or Cantwell coming.
Nor me.
Someone or two below the radar.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2021, 06:52:21 AM
I don’t see JWP as a defensive midfielder unless we are playing three 8s.  His game is about energy, buzzing around whereas we need a player with discipline and strong positional sense if we plan to play all our attacking players at the same time.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 05, 2021, 07:14:47 AM
I don’t see JWP as a defensive midfielder unless we are playing three 8s.  His game is about energy, buzzing around whereas we need a player with discipline and strong positional sense if we plan to play all our attacking players at the same time.
Nakamba would be fine. Defensively he works well and steals the ball effectively. If only he would learn not to then pass it back to the opposition, quite often in a suicidal position, or attempt to bring the ball out himself with disastrous results.


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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 07:20:11 AM
I can’t see Southampton selling JWP now.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2021, 07:24:03 AM
I just can't see Saints or Norwich selling us their top two prized assets. Just like we wouldn't sell Mings/Watkins to Citeh (or anyone else).
both already have this summer already.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2021, 07:48:47 AM
Why don't we just sign Kante?
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Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
I just can't see Saints or Norwich selling us their top two prized assets. Just like we wouldn't sell Mings/Watkins to Citeh (or anyone else).
both already have this summer already.

He means two from each. Cantwell and Ward-Prowse in addition to Ings and Buendia.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 05, 2021, 08:00:57 AM
Doesn't JWP have the same agent as a certain scab bound player of ours? I'm sure I read that somewhere on H&V.
If he has our owners may not want to deal with that parasite again.
It's Maddison for me. That would be a huge statement signing. It doesn't matter about his coventry connections. We should all know by now loyalty plays no part in a footballer's mindset.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 08:09:34 AM
Don't really see what the agent has done wrong. Nobody has forced Grealish to leave, he's old enough to make his own decisions.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 05, 2021, 08:11:25 AM
I feel our owners may not have taken Jack's departure as personally as everybody else.  I'm sure they are disappointed but £100mil and 200k a week wages goes a long way in terms of development.  With Buendia and Bailey they are probably hoping they have already found a succesor, and still have room to expand.
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Post by: gpbarr on August 05, 2021, 08:15:19 AM
there will be at least one more in by kick off - possibly two. we are progressing. keep the faith
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 08:33:28 AM
I don’t see JWP as a defensive midfielder unless we are playing three 8s.  His game is about energy, buzzing around whereas we need a player with discipline and strong positional sense if we plan to play all our attacking players at the same time.
Exactly, I've been saying this for ages.  I really like him but don't feel he's the DM we're looking for.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2021, 08:34:28 AM
Doesn't JWP have the same agent as a certain scab bound player of ours? I'm sure I read that somewhere on H&V.
If he has our owners may not want to deal with that parasite again.
It's Maddison for me. That would be a huge statement signing. It doesn't matter about his coventry connections. We should all know by now loyalty plays no part in a footballer's mindset.

Maddison being from Coventry would actually help as it means he already thinks about us most of the time.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 05, 2021, 08:36:30 AM
Id love maddison but cant see us paying 60m
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 08:53:10 AM
Id love maddison but cant see us paying 60m
Me too, I think he's a fantastic player.  But agree, Leiceter would want the lions share of the Grealish money and will be reluctant to sell to a likely direct rival.

I'm also thinking we're a bit light on players for our left.  Buendia, Bailey & Traore are better operating on the right, although I think we're pushing Buendia to 10.  If we bring in a 10 like Maddison then one of them has to play on the left.  Bailey can certainly do it but it's not his favoured role.

I'm still a fan of Cantwell who could naturally fit on the left, but I'm not sure I want us spending £35m+ on him.  I'd rather our recruitment team go and get someone better value from Europe.  Same of JWP really, I don't think we should pay the £50m + Southampton will want. And for both these clubs we've already taken one player I can't see them rolling over and letting us take a second.
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Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
I would say that a brilliant defensive midfielder is the absolute priority now, not another attacking player. We should pay £60 mil if that’s what it takes to improve overall
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 09:23:25 AM
We could pay £60 million easy IMO. I don't know that he would want to join us unless (i) he has really fallen out with Rodgers and (ii) the Arse really don't look like being able/willing to provide the required funds to sign him.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 05, 2021, 09:24:06 AM
With Grealish gone and the number of free kicks we win dropping by 80% the arguments in favour of JWP reduce by a similar amount.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 09:26:49 AM
With Grealish gone and the number of free kicks we win dropping by 80% the arguments in favour of JWP reduce by a similar amount.

I agree, and given that he's going to want a big wage increase and they will want a huge fee, it looks to me like pretty poor value at the figures quoted.
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Post by: TaxDodger on August 05, 2021, 09:33:29 AM
James Ward-Prowse is almost done says Gary Poulton. Pretty sure a former Apprentice contestant is as reliable a source as the majority of 'ITKs' on Twitter.
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Post by: Ads on August 05, 2021, 09:35:01 AM
JWP and Maddison would be some football manager stuff.

We'd be able to field an England side near enough and be able to beat the current 7-2-1 set up Horseface deploys.

Check out JWP stats, he is exceptional and a huge upgrade on McGinn. I say that as a man who loves McGinn and has just deployed his 6 year old to football camp for the day, on Merseyside in a McGinn shirt.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
With Grealish gone and the number of free kicks we win dropping by 80% the arguments in favour of JWP reduce by a similar amount.

I agree, and given that he's going to want a big wage increase and they will want a huge fee, it looks to me like pretty poor value at the figures quoted.

I agree.  If we look at our buying criteria, we would be unlikely to make our money back on JWP and there has to be a walk away point. It's a really good point about the reduction of free kicks. I would like a more forceful player than JWP in terms of physicality for that role and wonder if there is better abroad for the kind of money we'd be paying.  As for Maddison, billy big bollocks, not sure he's a Dean Smith sort of player and I think that is another reason we are ok with Grealish going.
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Why am I warming to the idea of the ‘poor mans rat’ Todd Cantwell coming in ?
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Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
Ward-Prowse would be a great signing. I think sometimes overpaying slightly is offset by weakening a rival team.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 05, 2021, 09:42:07 AM
What's the story with work permits now for the likes of Aouar etc? At 22m or so (as reported), would he get enough points to pass?
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
What's the story with work permits now for the likes of Aouar etc? At 22m or so (as reported), would have get enough points to pass?

He's almost certainly a millionaire, he'll be fine.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 09:53:05 AM
If you listen to what Southampton fans say, they are convinced JWP is criminally under rated.  These fans have had some superb players on their books in the last 10 years and the fact they think so highly of him would surely bode well I guess?  Still isn't the type of player I feel we needed though.
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Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2021, 10:11:53 AM
I want JWP here more than anything, he’s perfect for our system, the running, pressing and his range of passing is superb, also not forgetting his set pieces.

I’m starting to sound a little bit like a spoiled 8 year old though.
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Post by: villabear on August 05, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
What's the story with work permits now for the likes of Aouar etc? At 22m or so (as reported), would he get enough points to pass?

Without scrolling through page after page are we supposedly after this bloke or it it just wishful thinking. Never heard of him if I’m honest
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
I want JWP here more than anything, he’s perfect for our system, the running, pressing and his range of passing is superb, also not forgetting his set pieces.

I’m starting to sound a little bit like a spoiled 8 year old though.
I completely agree. He’s the one I want too.We should be able to make it happen with the right money and Hourihane ?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
What's the story with work permits now for the likes of Aouar etc? At 22m or so (as reported), would he get enough points to pass?

He'd be fine. You play in Ligue Un you've no problem. More in depth summary below.

https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/
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Post by: nick harper on August 05, 2021, 10:29:22 AM
We absolutely need a deep lying midfielder to help us keep and retain the ball for longer. We need to have better than 30% possession against the better sides if we are to compete around the top 6.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 05, 2021, 10:31:08 AM
What's the story with work permits now for the likes of Aouar etc? At 22m or so (as reported), would he get enough points to pass?

Without scrolling through page after page are we supposedly after this bloke or it it just wishful thinking. Never heard of him if I’m honest
Wishful thinking, but after Ings i guess we can't rule out anything!
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 10:54:03 AM
Why am I warming to the idea of the ‘poor mans rat’ Todd Cantwell coming in ?


Cantwell would be a great move
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
Why am I warming to the idea of the ‘poor mans rat’ Todd Cantwell coming in ?


Cantwell would be a great move

Sell 26 year old Grealish, sign 23 year old Grealish, pocket £70 million profit. Doesn't sound the worst move to me.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
Will be really pissed if we buy Cantwell. Literally falling into the trap of playing the same as before but with someone that won't understandably measure up. And a bloody lookalike too. If he failed to set the world alight straight away i'd really fear for the guy.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 11:04:04 AM
Why am I warming to the idea of the ‘poor mans rat’ Todd Cantwell coming in ?


Cantwell would be a great move
At what price Vinnie?

Always liked him but I'm at <£30m. 

Will Norwich let both their best two players leave in one summer when they've just been promoted?

It's interesting, their fans seem to have very mixed views, which also concerns me a bit.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 05, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
Why am I warming to the idea of the ‘poor mans rat’ Todd Cantwell coming in ?


Cantwell would be a great move

Sell 26 year old Grealish, sign 23 year old Grealish, pocket £70 million profit. Doesn't sound the worst move to me.

We should be concentrating on Cantwell IMO as much as I like JWP.  Cantwell's not at the level of Grealish yet but is a better driver.
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Post by: Eckybloke on August 05, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
What about Damsgaard?  Could be great but also one we bed in a little longer.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 05, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
I don't want to keep banging on about him but JWP would be a perfect signing for us, his stats for tackles in own half, interceptions, passes into final third etc are up there with the best in the league.

Obviously stats aren't everything, but whenever I've seen him play he looks good.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2021, 11:23:07 AM
Id throw 35 mill and Conor and Anwar for JWP . 
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Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
What about Damsgaard?  Could be great but also one we bed in a little longer.

Lange will know all about Damsgaard and if we were in for him I think it would of been done by now.
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Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2021, 11:27:12 AM
I don't want to keep banging on about him but JWP would be a perfect signing for us, his stats for tackles in own half, interceptions, passes into final third etc are up there with the best in the league.

Obviously stats aren't everything, but whenever I've seen him play he looks good.

Me too, I like the look of Cantwell but I wonder as he’s more flamboyant he looks the better player when it comes to putting clips together. I reckon we’d get that engine we need with JWP.

To be honest though, I’d be happy with either. Both fan bases seem to really appreciate and love both of them.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2021, 11:32:14 AM
Anyone else get the feeling that Buendia, Bailey and Ings would have happened regardless of incoming £100 million? It's similar funds to what we've been spending.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 11:36:37 AM
I don't want to keep banging on about him but JWP would be a perfect signing for us, his stats for tackles in own half, interceptions, passes into final third etc are up there with the best in the league.

Obviously stats aren't everything, but whenever I've seen him play he looks good.

Me too, I like the look of Cantwell but I wonder as he’s more flamboyant he looks the better player when it comes to putting clips together. I reckon we’d get that engine we need with JWP.

To be honest though, I’d be happy with either. Both fan bases seem to really appreciate and love both of them.

Sign both, Cantwell gets free kick. JWP scores it. Villa win league.

Piece of piss.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Anyone else get the feeling that Buendia, Bailey and Ings would have happened regardless of incoming £100 million? It's similar funds to what we've been spending.
Yes, definitely
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 11:37:48 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 11:42:30 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 11:44:05 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2021, 11:46:07 AM
Come on Villa, pull your finger out. It's nearly 12 o'clock and we haven't signed anyone today. >:(
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2021, 11:47:52 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless



We need a squad to get to where we want to get to
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 11:51:25 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless



We need a squad to get to where we want to get to


yeah i'm just saying. It was upto 21ish before Bailey and Ings, so with grealish going in we're at 22ish. Add Tuenzebe possibly, maybe a 'keeper. That's 1 place I think
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Post by: David_Nab on August 05, 2021, 11:53:12 AM
What about Damsgaard?  Could be great but also one we bed in a little longer.

Samp practically begging Roma to buy him as need  cash , think he would be gettable at a reasonable price
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 11:53:38 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless
Yes agree with that, no point squandering it. With that said I think we need a couple of midfielders and I assume a back up keeper.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless



We need a squad to get to where we want to get to


yeah i'm just saying. It was upto 21ish before Bailey and Ings, so with grealish going in we're at 22ish. Add Tuenzebe possibly, maybe a 'keeper. That's 1 place I think



Axel, a keeper and then say a Warde prowse and I'd say we're done anyway. Could the DM wait until next season? When we're in Europe 😊
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless



We need a squad to get to where we want to get to


yeah i'm just saying. It was upto 21ish before Bailey and Ings, so with grealish going in we're at 22ish. Add Tuenzebe possibly, maybe a 'keeper. That's 1 place I think



Axel, a keeper and then say a Warde prowse and I'd say we're done anyway. Could the DM wait until next season? When we're in Europe 😊

Yep, I'm expecting 1 more biggie unless we flog someone else.
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Post by: Stu on August 05, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
Radio Solent sports journalist said there's no chance JWP leaving during this window.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 05, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
I wonder what our budget was pre Grealish leaving was. The noises from the club were that we needed 2-3 people to complement what we had and we’ve bought in Bailey, Ings, Buendia. The question now is is the Grealish money on top of that?
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Post by: Dick Edwards on August 05, 2021, 12:50:06 PM
I wonder what our budget was pre Grealish leaving was. The noises from the club were that we needed 2-3 people to complement what we had and we’ve bought in Bailey, Ings, Buendia. The question now is is the Grealish money on top of that?

We've also brought in Young
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 12:57:28 PM
With Grealish gone and the number of free kicks we win dropping by 80% the arguments in favour of JWP reduce by a similar amount.

I know you're probably exaggerating a little to make the point but I thought I saw a screenshot yesterday which surprising only showed us having an average of two or three less free-kicks a game last season during the spell that Jack was injured.
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Post by: kipeye on August 05, 2021, 12:58:06 PM
I have a feeling Anwar, Conor and at least one other will be leaving (Luiz?). This will free up a couple of places.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 12:58:38 PM
Well we'll soon see if we keep spending. What we upto now? 90m? Can only see one more player coming in.
So you think our summer budget would have been about £10-£20m without the Grealish sale?  I'd expect there's plenty left if we want to use it.

Realistically you've got the squad issue as well. We can buy 5 players but if you can't play them its pointless



We need a squad to get to where we want to get to


yeah i'm just saying. It was upto 21ish before Bailey and Ings, so with grealish going in we're at 22ish. Add Tuenzebe possibly, maybe a 'keeper. That's 1 place I think



Axel, a keeper and then say a Warde prowse and I'd say we're done anyway. Could the DM wait until next season? When we're in Europe 😊

Yep, I'm expecting 1 more biggie unless we flog someone else.
I don't see much point in wasting a squad place on Wes.  We should get him out on loan even if we have to pay all his wages, he's no good to us stewing in the U23's.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2021, 01:02:12 PM
I have a feeling Anwar, Conor and at least one other will be leaving (Luiz?). This will free up a couple of places.

I wouldn't be that worried if sold all three of those. All decent enough players, but AEG and Conor have been upgraded already and we need a better DM than Luiz if we are to progress. We also have better midfielders ahead of him if he plays higher up the pitch so whilst has shown flashes of good form I think he is disposable.
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Post by: DB on August 05, 2021, 01:03:57 PM
Luiz??? You mean the young man who is  regular for his national team...Brazil.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 01:03:59 PM
Luiz is yound and may still become an excelent payer for us.  I'm not giving up on him yet.
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
Luiz isn’t going anywhere.
El Ghazi, hourihane, Wesley will be gone I reckon.
Wesley will be a loan to some Turkish outfit with a cheap option to buy if he can stay fit.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2021, 01:06:35 PM
I think we'll see Wesley & Sanson leave on loan.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
I wonder whether Dean's planning a change in formation to accommodate Ings and Watkins in the same tea. 4-1-3-2, perhaps?
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Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2021, 01:18:47 PM
I know he's been injured a lot, but why exactly did we buy Sanson? Did we really need him?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
I wonder whether Dean's planning a change in formation to accommodate Ings and Watkins in the same tea. 4-1-3-2, perhaps?

I hope so.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
I think there is quite a few permutations now and I can't make up my mind. Ings just behind Watkins? Watkins on the left? Ings ON THE BENCH? Filthy bench that.
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Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 01:21:59 PM
I know he's been injured a lot, but why exactly did we buy Sanson? Did we really need him?

They wouldn't have tracked him for over a year if they didn't.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 01:27:14 PM
Lots of players who could possibly go on loan to free up spaces I think

Wes and Davis obv.
Steer if another 'keeper came in. Clearly good enough to be a no1 in the Championship. 28 now
Like to keep all our midfield options but I wouldn't be surprised if 1 of them was looking to move on or go out on loan
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 01:29:59 PM
Liverpool put £12.75m price tag on Xherdan Shaqiri

Let's take him
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
No idea on Cantwell fee, was some chat Connor may go other way. Hes only got a year left on his contract so surely £35m tops (including add ons)

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Post by: charleeco7 on August 05, 2021, 01:40:04 PM
Rumours going around that Axel has signed and we have put bids in for Cantwell and JWP.
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 01:45:13 PM
I know he's been injured a lot, but why exactly did we buy Sanson? Did we really need him?

They wouldn't have tracked him for over a year if they didn't.

Maybe there was an eye on there being a hole in the team/squad once Barkley returned to Chelsea and in case Luiz was recalled by Citeh.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 05, 2021, 01:51:11 PM
Hourihane and money for Cantwell.

You heard it here first. And probably never again!
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2021, 01:56:54 PM
I know he's been injured a lot, but why exactly did we buy Sanson? Did we really need him?

They wouldn't have tracked him for over a year if they didn't.

Maybe there was an eye on there being a hole in the team/squad once Barkley returned to Chelsea and in case Luiz was recalled by Citeh.

Was there something along the lines of Sanson apparently being a bit 'difficult' to work with before he came here? Not sure if I'm imagining this. I'm sure we would have been aware anyway but maybe he is more difficult than we imagined. Pure conjecture though and I apologise to Sanson and his family for tarnishing his name if I am wrong.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2021, 02:01:30 PM
I'm amazed no one thinks we need cover at CB: we have been very lucky with no injuries to to Konsa and Mings this season.
I want another class CB; may persuade Smith that sometimes a back 3 is a useful fallback tactical approach.
I'd love a Trossard or Pereira to come in as cover for Grealish.
And, we'll need cover for Targett.



Thought Ashley Young is cover for Targett. If there is an injury at centre have we have Hause. If we get two injuries that I think is where Tuanzebe comes in
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
Hourihane and money for Cantwell.

You heard it here first. And probably never again!

Look a couple of comments above....... ;-)
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 05, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
Hourihane and money for Cantwell.

You heard it here first. And probably never again!

Look a couple of comments above....... ;-)

I only just saw that. I thought this was my moment of a semi-exclusive coup! 🤣 well played Vinnie!!
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 02:07:21 PM
Liverpool put £12.75m price tag on Xherdan Shaqiri

Let's take him

He's skilful and I love the way his body-shape is so, er, different to 99% of players but yeah, would he keep fit enough for us?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 05, 2021, 02:07:23 PM
No idea on Cantwell fee, was some chat Connor may go other way. Hes only got a year left on his contract so surely £35m tops (including add ons)

Do you rate Cantwell? He looks lightweight to me in a poor team. Perhaps I haven’t seen enough. 
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Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 02:09:17 PM
No idea on Cantwell fee, was some chat Connor may go other way. Hes only got a year left on his contract so surely £35m tops (including add ons)

Would also stop Connor scoring so many goals against them.
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Post by: CT on August 05, 2021, 02:11:01 PM
No idea on Cantwell fee, was some chat Connor may go other way. Hes only got a year left on his contract so surely £35m tops (including add ons)

Would also stop Connor scoring so many goals against them.

Maybe it’s me, but the fees mentioned seem way over the top for Cantwell.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 05, 2021, 02:11:52 PM
Norwich have another year option on Cantwell don't they? So effectively 2 years left on his contract?
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 05, 2021, 02:13:20 PM
He hasn't really lit up the Championship, can't see how he's valued at £30m+. If that's the price I'd move along.
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Post by: OCD on August 05, 2021, 02:13:52 PM
I read an article the other day that said with FFP, when you buy a player, you spread the cost of the transfer over the course of the player's contract (amortisation in accountancy terms). However, when you sell a player, the full figure is used immediately . I think we would have spent £100m even if Grealish had stayed so to get £90m and then suddenly have £100m brought in, I think it's safe to say that we don't have to worry about FFP again for some time. Now we can see what these owners can do when they're hands aren't being tied behind their back.

To the earlier question, yes Grealish and JWP both use Jonathan Barnett as their agent.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2021, 02:15:46 PM
I actually think that Sanson will surprise quite a few people and might just be the CM we are looking for.

He came with a good reputation and experience of Champ league etc. Injury has not really gave him a chance to shine so far yet folk are ready to bin him off.

Strange ???
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Post by: brontebilly on August 05, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
Luiz isn’t going anywhere.
El Ghazi, hourihane, Wesley will be gone I reckon.
Wesley will be a loan to some Turkish outfit with a cheap option to buy if he can stay fit.

Any word about Guilbert in pre season? El Ghazi is still useful to have around with Trez out injured long term. Traore and El Ghazi might surprise us this season without Grealish and new guys coming in. Bit more pressure to perform.

Hourihane and Wes will surely be off alright. Maybe some of the young guys might need to go on loan as competition for places in midfield looks very hot.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2021, 02:28:12 PM
He hasn't really lit up the Championship, can't see how he's valued at £30m+. If that's the price I'd move along.

Still not convinced that the 'number 10' role is a priority given that we have a number of players who can fit play in that role.  I would like to see McGinn given a chance in that position at the start of the season, with Sanson as a back up.

JWP would be a good signing, but I see him more as a 'number eight' and still think we would need a better defensive midfielder even if we signed him.  JWP and Luiz, along with Nakamba and a better version of him would look very strong squad options.
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Post by: Proposition Joe on August 05, 2021, 02:32:31 PM
I actually think that Sanson will surprise quite a few people and might just be the CM we are looking for.

He came with a good reputation and experience of Champ league etc. Injury has not really gave him a chance to shine so far yet folk are ready to bin him off.

Strange ???

I thought he looked OK when he moved/drifted into the wide left position.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 02:35:26 PM
We haven't seen anything of Sanson yet, such a shame he got injured and doubly so that he's missed pre-season.  I don't know much about him but I'm looking forward to see what he can offer once fit.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
Hourihane and money for Cantwell.

You heard it here first. And probably never again!

Look a couple of comments above....... ;-)

I only just saw that. I thought this was my moment of a semi-exclusive coup! 🤣 well played Vinnie!!

Least it validates what weve both heard lol
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2021, 02:44:02 PM
I actually think that Sanson will surprise quite a few people and might just be the CM we are looking for.

He came with a good reputation and experience of Champ league etc. Injury has not really gave him a chance to shine so far yet folk are ready to bin him off.

Strange ???

I thought he looked OK when he moved/drifted into the wide left position.

Agree.  A bit like Wesley, he can be introduced gradually this season without having a lot of pressure on him.
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Post by: malckennedy on August 05, 2021, 02:44:15 PM
When is Sanson expected to be fit for selection?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 02:44:52 PM
We haven't seen anything of Sanson yet, such a shame he got injured and doubly so that he's missed pre-season.  I don't know much about him but I'm looking forward to see what he can offer once fit.

Yup.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 02:45:32 PM
I don't really want to over pay for Cantwell & JWP.  Much as I like them both we're meant to have an incredible recruitment team, surely there's better value to be had?
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Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 02:51:36 PM
I don't really want to over pay for Cantwell & JWP.  Much as I like them both we're meant to have an incredible recruitment team, surely there's better value to be had?

I really don't want to keep poaching Norwich. Its not my money, so I'll take JWP at any cost.
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Post by: Matt C on August 05, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
I reckon we’ll continue to bias towards PL or at least English football-experienced players; that seems to be the strategy to mitigate the risk of too many players from abroad at once and the need to adapt. We nearly got burnt in the first season back (albeit out of some necessity to buy so many players), I don’t see us doing it again.
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Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
I don't really want to over pay for Cantwell & JWP.  Much as I like them both we're meant to have an incredible recruitment team, surely there's better value to be had?

I really don't want to keep poaching Norwich. Its not my money, so I'll take JWP at any cost.

If the players are good enough then sign em, that’s what I’d say. I’m not at all bothered where they come from. Both Cantwell and JWP are extremely good players within our reach. I really trust our recruitment team
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2021, 03:03:03 PM
I could not give two flying shits where a player comes from. If we think they're good enough that is all that matters.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 03:04:35 PM
I was more making the point that if all we get for the Grealish money is JWP and Cantwell, then I'd think that was pretty shit business.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 03:06:01 PM
I imagine even Cantwell would think "wtf" is we spent 40m on him.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 05, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
No idea on Cantwell fee, was some chat Connor may go other way. Hes only got a year left on his contract so surely £35m tops (including add ons)

Do you rate Cantwell? He looks lightweight to me in a poor team. Perhaps I haven’t seen enough. 

Might people have been saying that about Jack before his return from injury & the 10 game run?
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2021, 03:10:59 PM
I was more making the point that if all we get for the Grealish money is JWP and Cantwell, then I'd think that was pretty shit business.

Oh yeah I'd agree with that. I think there is business to be done abroad but it just doesn't seem to be where we're looking. Ings came out of nowhere though so who knows? My instinct says yes to JWP but no to Cantwell however I have not seen enough of Cantwell last year to judge how he has progressed properly.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 05, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
We cherry picked Brentford's 2 best, and they turned out ok.  Buendia looks good, and surely he knows if Cantwell would be up to it, they'd have said something to him, no? 
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 03:15:43 PM
Dont get me wrong I like them both, but I'm at £25m & £40m tops.  I'd want at least one other excellent player fom the £100m.

Alternatively I'd take Maddison & JWP, but he won't come.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 05, 2021, 03:16:58 PM
A Paul Merson type (but younger than he was when he joined us) is what our team could use.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2021, 03:20:37 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc

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Post by: Goldenballs on August 05, 2021, 03:23:32 PM
He also seems a bit of an annoying dick to wind up the opposition fans. We could do with one of those..
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 03:23:49 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.
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Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

In isolation he's a downgrade. But I imagine that the plan is to offset that by upgrades in the Barkley and Trezegeut/Traore positions.  A net gain as it were.
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Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2021, 03:33:10 PM
Grealish has everything in his game to become one of the best players in the world, and that’s a fact. Comparing any future signings to him is utterly futile. Have faith in the owners, and the process...we’re going to be absolutely fine.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 03:33:43 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

Was Peter Withe not Aldi Andy Gray, by the same logic?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 03:34:18 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

In isolation he's a downgrade. But I imagine that the plan is to offset that by upgrades in the Barkley and Trezegeut/Traore positions.  A net gain as it were.

yeah I just think you can bring in a Grealish replacement that has other abilities not comparable to him. We have creatively elsewhere now so someone who looks a like-for-like and will inevitably draw comparisons is not the way to go
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

Was Peter Withe not Aldi Andy Gray, by the same logic?

Not sure them two would be mistaken for each other. Cantwell even looks like Grealish if you squint
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 03:43:01 PM
A Paul Merson type (but younger than he was when he joined us) is what our team could use.

Merse without the self-loathing and addiction issues.

And with a left foot.
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Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 03:44:39 PM
A Paul Merson type (but younger than he was when he joined us) is what our team could use.

Merse without the self-loathing and addiction issues.

And with a left foot.


To be fair, the outside of his right foot made up for his lack of left.
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Post by: algy on August 05, 2021, 04:03:12 PM
Find it odd that Traore and Sanson are being written off so quickly. Neither has had a pre season yet. Think both will turn out to be exceptional value for money personally.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2021, 04:04:57 PM
Find it odd that Traore and Sanson are being worn

That's an image the endures, not altogether happily.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 04:10:34 PM
I'm not writing off Traore, he's magic. It's too early to say with Sanson.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 04:31:10 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................
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Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................

Che Guevara?
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 04:36:00 PM
El Ghazi/Hourihane + £15m for Cousin Todd ?
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Post by: Hairbandinho on August 05, 2021, 04:38:42 PM
I'm not writing off Traore, he's magic. It's too early to say with Sanson.

Not sure I get the hate for Traore. Sure defensively he is awful, but overall he made some key contributions last season.
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Post by: wolfman999 on August 05, 2021, 04:40:00 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

Was Peter Withe not Aldi Andy Gray, by the same logic?

Not sure them two would be mistaken for each other. Cantwell even looks like Grealish if you squint

If we try to judge any player brought in to replace whathisname, it will be grossly unfair as they will not be judged on their own contribution.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 05, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................
Tease...how much?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 05, 2021, 04:45:10 PM
I've never really watched Cantwell in any game other than against us, I think thats why I'm a bit nonplussed about it....

However, seeing his obligatory youtube compilation and he does look like the reincarnation of Grealish.

https://youtu.be/cppj2f0FuAc


That's the problem for me. Aldi Grealish trying to replace him. Doomed to failure. Stay well clear.

Was Peter Withe not Aldi Andy Gray, by the same logic?

Not sure them two would be mistaken for each other. Cantwell even looks like Grealish if you squint

If we try to judge any player brought in to replace whathisname, it will be grossly unfair as they will not be judged on their own contribution.

yeah but people will seeing he plays like him/looks like him and especially if he doesn't settle straight off or we start badly this summer . I'm not sure its fair to ask a 23 yr old to compete with a myth.
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Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 04:46:59 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................
Tease...how much?

"Norfolk outfit have finally succeeded in their efforts to land Christos Tzolis as PAOK have accepted their third bid for him. €10m in fees and €2m in add-ons."

Apparently..

Still can't believe Rashica ended up there.
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Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................
Tease...how much?

"Norfolk outfit have finally succeeded in their efforts to land Christos Tzolis as PAOK have accepted their third bid for him. €10m in fees and €2m in add-ons."

Apparently..

Still can't believe Rashica ended up there.

He's good on Championship Manager, that will be interesting.
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Post by: postal on August 05, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Norwich don't really have to sell Cantwell ( other than his last year of his contract ) and he isn't worth anything beyond £25m and that's being kind.

But as we have seen, it's crazy money atm
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Post by: supertom on August 05, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
Between Beundia, Bailey, El Goalzi, Traore and potentially Cantwell, we've got everything Grealish offered. It might well be dispersed between them but the important element is the fact that there's more cover. Having Grealish is no good if he's out injured and he has no replacement. We have quality players who can create from wide and score (like Jack), and Beundia and Cantwell (who whichever 10 type we get in) can pick up space and thread a pass.
I think we'll add an 8 too (JWP?).
Plenty of competition and options to build a more effective squad and team. I think you can find yourselves resting on one player too much. You end up having a ceiling that way. In fairness to Jack too, he will probably flourish in a side where the expectation to win a game is shared equally among 5-6 top players each game.

If there's another 3-4 quality players inbound, which in itself may rest in part on selling Grealish, then ultimately we'll be better for it. And this isn't an example of firing out on gambles. We're also buying a lot of proven quality. Maybe 1-2 might not hit the ground running, but I'd expect most of them to do well here. It's a big season coming and the sooner we put Grealish behind us, and the squad do, the better. When he was injured last season the immediate reaction from everyone outside the club was, 'can Villa win without him?' That filtered into the clubs fans, players and pretty soon onto the pitch. So we just need to get beyond that negativity and focus on what we've got. Beundia, Bailey and Cantwell in, Grealish out? Yeah I'll go for that.
Honestly too I'd be more concerned about losing Emi Martinez. Because there really aren't many out there as good as him right now.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 04:58:02 PM
Watkins wasn't worth what we paid, based on his career to that point. I wouldn't sell him double that now. Feel like Cantwell will be similar, will surprise people how easily he fits in, and the fee will never be mentioned again after a few months.

Apart from by arses like me making a point in future transfer threads, like I've just done with Our Ollie.
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Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 04:58:57 PM
Norwich are about to sign a left winger/10................
Tease...how much?

It's been on Twitter for the last hour.
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
Just say who it is...some of us puke over Twitter.
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Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
Just say who it is...some of us puke over Twitter.

Sorry, Christian Tezlios or something like that. 19 year old winger from PAOK.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
Matheus Pereira has thrown his career away for cash.  Moved to Al Hilal, Saudi Arabia.  What a waste.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 05:19:25 PM
So, why should we care? I assumed it was going to be El Ghazi or there was going to be some other reason that it might be of interest to us.
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Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 05:20:33 PM
Matheus Pereira has thrown his career away for cash.  Moved to Al Hilal, Saudi Arabia.  What a waste.

If it's a job. And his career goal is primarily money. Then he hasn't has he?
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 05, 2021, 05:20:44 PM
So, why should we care? I assumed it was going to be El Ghazi or there was going to be some other reason that it might be of interest to us.
That's what I thought too
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Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 05:22:29 PM
So, why should we care? I assumed it was going to be El Ghazi or there was going to be some other reason that it might be of interest to us.

I assume we should care because it will trigger a move our way?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
I've come round to Cantwell now. The idea of Bailey, Cantwell, Ings, Watkins, Traore, and Buendia running free, I think we wild be in for some really interesting games.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 05:25:04 PM
So, why should we care? I assumed it was going to be El Ghazi or there was going to be some other reason that it might be of interest to us.

I assume we should care because it will trigger a move our way?

Oh, okay. So he's the Cantwell replacement? Got it, ta.
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Post by: danno on August 05, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
So, why should we care? I assumed it was going to be El Ghazi or there was going to be some other reason that it might be of interest to us.

I assume we should care because it will trigger a move our way?

Oh, okay. So he's the Cantwell replacement? Got it, ta.

Just a guess, no idea why he'd mentioned it otherwise!
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Post by: caster troy on August 05, 2021, 05:27:19 PM
I've come round to Cantwell now. The idea of Bailey, Cantwell, Ings, Watkins, Traore, and Buendia running free, I think we wild be in for some really interesting games.

And Aaron Ramsey, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace... Our bench should actually be pretty decent.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 05:30:45 PM
I'm not sure outside the top 3/4 there's a front 6 in quality of depth I would prefer.

Get 1 more quality central midfielder in place and we can have a cracking season.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 05:31:18 PM
I would agree but change it to "outside the top 1". Even then, they haven't got a proper centre forward worthy of the name.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 05:36:10 PM
Even counting Jesus as their centre forward, their front 6 options are incredible and just got better.

Chelsea have some brilliant forward players but need a striker.

Man United have some pretty special forwards too

Liverpool have Salah. Who's bloody amazing.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 05:39:55 PM
Yeah they all have some great players. Not as many as us though, I'd say, in those areas you mentioned. If ours live up to their potential, that is. Which admittedly, is being quite optimistic.

Still, there are very few clubs on Earth who wouldn't be looking forward to next season with our attacking options. And we aren't done yet, by all accounts.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 05:43:25 PM
Imagine having the weapon of Ward Prowse on set plays with that lot.
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2021, 05:45:41 PM
Still yet to be convinced by Cantwell, who I suspect of having a midtable ceiling as a starter, and because I think we need a creative player at 8/10 rather than 10/wide, like Maddison or Aouar. Should we sign him, of course, I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 05, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.


 
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2021, 05:49:45 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.

Except, maybe, being good enough. That's what I'm wondering.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 05, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.

Except, maybe, being good enough. That's what I'm wondering.
He has the talent and has performed at PL level before. I remember him as their standout player last time they were up.
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
Maybe our goalie could entice Messi who isn’t settled at his current club ?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2021, 05:56:50 PM
Maybe our goalie could entice Messi who isn’t settled at his current club ?
Messi is a free agent
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2021, 05:58:10 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.

Except, maybe, being good enough. That's what I'm wondering.
He has the talent and has performed at PL level before. I remember him as their standout player last time they were up.

Maybe. Fwiw I distinctly remember him looking neatish but a bit lax technically and inoffensive in the final third.
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Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 05:58:30 PM
Maybe our goalie could entice Messi who isn’t settled at his current club ?
Messi is a free agent

shitty city on the twitty.. fans saying they should've waited to sign the rat to see if messi became available.

HILARIOUSSS!
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Post by: mrfuse on August 05, 2021, 06:10:19 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.

Except, maybe, being good enough. That's what I'm wondering.
He has the talent and has performed at PL level before. I remember him as their standout player last time they were up.

I just hope fans give him a chance if we do sign him because there will always be comparisons to some bloke who used to play for us.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 05, 2021, 06:17:56 PM
In some alternative reality…

Losing Grealish for £100 million and signing Messi on a free.

I would probably lose control of all my bodily functions with laughter.

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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 06:21:43 PM
There is £250k a week knocking around we were going to give ratboy
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Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2021, 06:22:38 PM
Cantwell fits all the criteria we have set for ourselves as a potential signing for the club.

His style of play would also seem to fit.

Except, maybe, being good enough. That's what I'm wondering.
He has the talent and has performed at PL level before. I remember him as their standout player last time they were up.

I just hope fans give him a chance if we do sign him because there will always be comparisons to some bloke who used to play for us.

I’m sure he would out perform Thor.
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Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 06:29:22 PM
Matheus Pereira has thrown his career away for cash.  Moved to Al Hilal, Saudi Arabia.  What a waste.

Were there other options on the table apart from "play for West Brom in the second division"?
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Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 06:34:17 PM
Watkins wasn't worth what we paid, based on his career to that point. I wouldn't sell him double that now. Feel like Cantwell will be similar, will surprise people how easily he fits in, and the fee will never be mentioned again after a few months.

It might just be rationalising to cope with the Grealish stuff, but I bet that any non-Villa fan would basically have taken the positon of a 23 year Grealish "why is a guy who has scored fourteen goals across three seasons in the Championship worth more than a few million quid?"

Obviously we knew he was worth a bomb even with those sorts of numbers, maybe Norwich fans know something about Cantwell that we don't.
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 06:34:46 PM
Matheus Pereira has thrown his career away for cash.  Moved to Al Hilal, Saudi Arabia.  What a waste.

Were there other options on the table apart from "play for West Brom in the second division"?
Saudi sounds quite attractive when put like that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2021, 06:42:26 PM
I just went to a Norwich forum to have a dabble on what they thought about Cantwell.

In there first 10 threads they have two 2 dedicated to us, fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 06:45:46 PM
I reckon all the signings so far were lined up pre Jack going, Id like to think we are beyond going for Cantwell as an emergeny fill for that space.

Surely the lad from River Plate is no more of a gamble?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 06:56:37 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 05, 2021, 06:58:38 PM
I reckon all the signings so far were lined up pre Jack going, Id like to think we are beyond going for Cantwell as an emergeny fill for that space.

Surely the lad from River Plate is no more of a gamble?
Think he's another speed merchant whereas we are probably looking for another sorcerer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on August 05, 2021, 07:01:28 PM
I just went to a Norwich forum to have a dabble on what they thought about Cantwell.

In there first 10 threads they have two 2 dedicated to us, fucking hell.
Stalker alert, proper weirdos.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 05, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
Beat me to it. Mind you, with our owners' ability to surprise everyone, who knows???
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 07:04:37 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
Beat me to it. Mind you, with our owners' ability to surprise everyone, who knows???

Confirmed on FCBarcelona.com - insanity!

Grealish failed medical incoming..
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Post by: ExclDawg on August 05, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
Beat me to it. Mind you, with our owners' ability to surprise everyone, who knows???

Confirmed on FCBarcelona.com - insanity!

Grealish failed medical incoming..

Spit my drink.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 07:06:03 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
Beat me to it. Mind you, with our owners' ability to surprise everyone, who knows???

Confirmed on FCBarcelona.com - insanity!

Grealish failed medical incoming..

That would be hilarious, and really awkward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
Messi not signing a new deal with Barcelona. Mon Villa, make it happen.
Beat me to it. Mind you, with our owners' ability to surprise everyone, who knows???

Confirmed on FCBarcelona.com - insanity!

Grealish failed medical incoming..

That would be hilarious, and really awkward.

I hope they kept the receipt because the money's already gone.
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Post by: ExclDawg on August 05, 2021, 07:08:43 PM
Paging agent Emi, paging agent Emi ...
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Post by: Eckybloke on August 05, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
I dunno, Pep going 2-1-7?
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 07:10:05 PM
Please let them sign Messi and Kane tomorrow.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
I dunno, Pep going 2-1-7?

He just needs to put Kyle Walker on the half way line and play 9 attackers.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 07:13:25 PM
Could we get Messi to play in our friendly this week as a trialist, see how he fits in with Matty Cash?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2021, 07:13:38 PM
Please let them sign Messi and Kane tomorrow.

They may go for Messi and leave Kane and Grealish walking home with their tails between their legs.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Seeing as FFP doesn't apply to them I expect them to sign all three. The cheating ******
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Post by: Matt C on August 05, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
Can see why those Spanish clubs were pushing so hard for their little ‘super league’
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Post by: sid1964 on August 05, 2021, 07:28:32 PM
Messing will eventually sign a new with Barcelona, he is too important to the Spanish league to let him walk away
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ad@m on August 05, 2021, 07:35:40 PM
Messing will eventually sign a new with Barcelona, he is too important to the Spanish league to let him walk away

Barcelona are blaming La Liga because, you know, rules and stuff.

Good to see the arrogance we saw with the daft Super League coming out again!!
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2021, 07:37:08 PM
I’d be happy with Cantwell. I think he’s a promising player. I think we could still do with a destroyer type in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2021, 07:37:30 PM
Messing will eventually sign a new with Barcelona, he is too important to the Spanish league to let him walk away
exactly what I think will happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 07:38:29 PM
Cantwell is old news and he should be a hurler with a name like that. Let's move on to Leo Messi to join Leon Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 07:41:45 PM
I'm liking the thinking with regard to Messi but at his age, could he adapt to playing DM for us?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2021, 07:42:55 PM
In some alternative reality…

Losing Grealish for £100 million and signing Messi on a free.

I would probably lose control of all my bodily functions with laughter.



Don't forget the £50m signing on fee, and the 250k wages would need to be nett.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 05, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
He'd provide some much needed competition for cash
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Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 07:45:44 PM
In some alternative reality…

Losing Grealish for £100 million and signing Messi on a free.

I would probably lose control of all my bodily functions with laughter.



Don't forget the £50m signing on fee, and the 250k wages would need to be nett.

Wouldn’t need this, he’d buy into the project
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 07:47:04 PM
Have a horrible feeling Messi will end up playing for someone really revolting like Chelsea or Man U.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2021, 07:47:05 PM
Messing will eventually sign a new with Barcelona, he is too important to the Spanish league to let him walk away

Debra Messing signing for Barce? Never saw that coming.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2021, 07:48:10 PM
In some alternative reality…

Losing Grealish for £100 million and signing Messi on a free.

I would probably lose control of all my bodily functions with laughter.



Don't forget the £50m signing on fee, and the 250k wages would need to be nett.

Wouldn’t need this, he’d buy into the project

So he'd be paying us? What's not to fucking like? Get it done Villa!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2021, 07:54:30 PM
Messing will eventually sign a new with Barcelona, he is too important to the Spanish league to let him walk away
La Liga can’t afford not to have Messi or Ronaldo. This move is a indirect threat by Barca to La Liga. He’ll sign for them again in the coming weeks.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 07:55:33 PM
If La Liga want him let them bend the rules so he can play for Betis or Levante. Fuck the Scabs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 05, 2021, 07:58:22 PM
I didn’t know until I read it today that in Spain, (I’m probably oversimplifying) the authorities set club's wage cap based on projected revenue.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 08:06:05 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan
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Post by: Eckybloke on August 05, 2021, 08:07:38 PM
So…had we waited a day, instead of Bailey and Ings it could have been Messi and Aguero?

NWSE out!!!
🤣
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Post by: TonyD on August 05, 2021, 08:09:28 PM
The Messi thing seems to be doing the rounds. 
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Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 08:13:03 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan

Who told you and why? Pixies are good whisperers but...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2021, 08:14:32 PM
I think people are taking that as the implication from what Purslow said because he didn’t say anything about further new signings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 08:14:55 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan

Who told you and why? Pixies are good whisperers but...

Purslow just announced we’ve done some great business, thanks Jack and we’ve replaced him with 3 players…very much left you with the impression that’s business done. Could be a double bluff?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
Sounds like we’re done based on that statement.
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Post by: ExclDawg on August 05, 2021, 08:17:53 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan

Who told you and why? Pixies are good whisperers but...

Purslow just announced we’ve done some great business, thanks Jack and we’ve replaced him with 3 players…very much left you with the impression that’s business done. Could be a double bluff?

We should still have like £5M left of the 100 to go spend on someone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 05, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan

Who told you and why? Pixies are good whisperers but...

Purslow just announced we’ve done some great business, thanks Jack and we’ve replaced him with 3 players…very much left you with the impression that’s business done. Could be a double bluff?

We are short of a defensive midfielder for sure. We are in the black with our transfer dealings this summer so we must have money to spend still surely?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2021, 08:18:55 PM
He said we've replaced the rat. He didn't say anything about other positions one way or the other.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2021, 08:19:16 PM
No more signings, I gather

Close the thread til Jan

Who told you and why? Pixies are good whisperers but...

Purslow just announced we’ve done some great business, thanks Jack and we’ve replaced him with 3 players…very much left you with the impression that’s business done. Could be a double bluff?

Doesn’t suggest that in my opinion. Just states that we’ve got in three players to be better than relying solely on one. It doesn’t replace our need in midfield, at CB, another keeper etc. So I think one more top player to come in probably in the middle and then a back up CB and keeper.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 05, 2021, 08:19:52 PM
Sounded to me like he was just saying we have brought 3 players to replace what Grealish brought, rather than relying on one. We'll still do business in other positions, I am 100% confident of that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
Well we know, I think, that Tuanzebe at least is still coming in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 08:20:45 PM
The 3 signings plus AY, the now settled team and academy players did ‘sound’ like that’s it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2021, 08:20:58 PM
He was hardly going to say we’re after more when we’ve just pulled a rabbit out of the hat in Ings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
He said we've replaced the rat. He didn't say anything about other positions one way or the other.

Exactly. He'd have to be pretty stupid to say "and we still have another hundred million quid to spend, can't wait!"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
Yes on reflection I’d be surprised if all our business was to cover the loss of Jack. There are other issues that need fixing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 08:24:23 PM
He said we've replaced the rat. He didn't say anything about other positions one way or the other.

He didn’t, but he quite deliberately went from talking about the signings to saying let’s go for the start of the season…. Perhaps this was deliberate to give the message we’ve spent the Grealish money and therefore can’t be taken for a ride… It very much gave the impression the big business is done
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 08:25:47 PM
I didn’t know until I read it today that in Spain, (I’m probably oversimplifying) the authorities set club's wage cap based on projected revenue.

Yup, apparently Barcelona are going to have a wage cap (or were until that big La Liga investment the other day) of around £160m - which is about the same as Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 08:27:41 PM
He said we've replaced the rat. He didn't say anything about other positions one way or the other.

Yep agreed. On watching it back that makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2021, 08:28:57 PM
For a club that just bought a current England international striker without anybody on the planet knowing about it in 2021, the age of 24 hour sports and social media, some are reading too much into Purslow’s comments on the current window and what may or may not still happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 05, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
Just watched that Purslow video

I thought it was brilliant explaining everything professionally leaving no one in any doubt How it all unfolded

it is what it is, no one will be able to spin it any other way now
I’m not sure that’s ever been done before my any club such a Succinct to the point statement a couple of minutes after the signing has gone through

I’ve not always been a massive fan of Purslow but he’s gone up in my estimation right there

We are in good hands chaps the future is looking Rosy


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 08:38:06 PM
So….

If JWP is crocked, will we try and get him anyway, wait till the end of the window, or look elsewhere?
Didn’t we buy Downing while he was injured ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 05, 2021, 08:38:41 PM
Put it this way, before the statement i had no doubts we'd be signing a few more players but now i have. It could be that he wants to give the impression we're not desperate to spend £100m burning a hold in our pocket, and yes he didn't actually say 'we're done' but it's hard to gauge. We surely should be looking to replace Engels and buy a solid defensive midfielder we've needed for 2 years as a minimum but a Heaton replacement and possibly someone like Cantwell or JWP as another option in behind the forwards would be the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mrfuse on August 05, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
He said we've replaced the rat. He didn't say anything about other positions one way or the other.

Yep agreed. On watching it back that makes sense.
I jumped to the wrong conclusion as well, but I agree it doesn't necessarily mean that's it for this window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 05, 2021, 08:47:46 PM
In layman's terms,he saying someone told Man City about the 100 million release clause
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 05, 2021, 08:48:13 PM
So….

If JWP is crocked, will we try and get him anyway, wait till the end of the window, or look elsewhere?
Didn’t we buy Downing while he was injured ?

He turned up to the medical on crutches.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 08:48:47 PM
I got the impression that was Villa. They phoned and offered less, we said we wouldn't sell him for less than £100 million. At some point, maybe not straight away, they offered the £100 million.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 05, 2021, 08:48:55 PM
In layman's terms,he saying someone told Man City about the 100 million release clause

No point having a release clause if it’s a big secret from everyone
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: garyellis on August 05, 2021, 08:59:20 PM
No way our business is done.
Count them out and count them in
6 squad players gone only 4 in
But I am sure if Naarich think we will pay £40 million for Todd they are dreaming
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 09:09:48 PM
£25m and a tea set so they don't have to use an aerialator.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2021, 09:10:49 PM
Sounded to me like he was just saying we have brought 3 players to replace what Grealish brought, rather than relying on one. We'll still do business in other positions, I am 100% confident of that.

As Mr Shin just said to me on the phone, Purslow had a touch of the Billy Beane about him.

You don’t replace the player, you replace what the player does.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2021, 09:13:21 PM
CP just meant that jacks skill set has been replaced by the 3 we’ve brought in. Nothing to do with no more in. By adding more we can enhance other areas
AM/CM/CB/GK
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 09:14:35 PM
What I liked about Purslow statement how he made it aware to anyone watching that over reliance on one player is now not going to be the case.

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Post by: PhilVill on August 05, 2021, 09:15:02 PM
Two more very good signings to come, take it to the bank. Not from ‘sources’, just know this great club will take us forward from now onwards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 09:18:10 PM
But listing Jack Grealish skill sets as the need to replace his goals is laughable.
And we won that by bringing in Ings.
Grealish never much of a goal scorer.

More apt to say we needed players who could draw fouls?  Of all the things miss about Jack it won't be his goal scoring Negligible..

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Post by: rob_bridge on August 05, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 09:40:31 PM
Purslow talks about the strength and depth of our first team and the importance of the youth this season. I hope he’s just creating an impression that the monies spent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2021, 09:40:44 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet

Leon and Emi are pretty good at it, though..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2021, 09:43:41 PM
Remove any reference to the rat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2021, 09:43:49 PM
in fairness there is only so many new players you want to integrate at once . 

i don’t think there will be much more business this window
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 09:47:18 PM
in fairness there is only so many new players you want to integrate at once . 

i don’t think there will be much more business this window

I agree .. I’d just go for a top notch DM player and call it done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 05, 2021, 09:50:49 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet

Leon and Emi are pretty good at it, though..

Indeed that is the plan. Bit like when ManYooo replaced Keane, with both Hargreaves and Carrick
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 05, 2021, 09:58:43 PM
in fairness there is only so many new players you want to integrate at once . 

i don’t think there will be much more business this window

I agree .. I’d just go for a top notch DM player and call it done.

God I hope not.  Spend spend spend.  Better players than we have now please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
in fairness there is only so many new players you want to integrate at once . 

i don’t think there will be much more business this window

I agree .. I’d just go for a top notch DM player and call it done.

God I hope not.  Spend spend spend.  Better players than we have now please.

Yes, more of this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 05, 2021, 10:02:09 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
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Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
Nosing on the Southampton forum many of them were saying they're struggling financially, I reckon we'll get Ward Prowse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
Nosing on the Southampton forum many of them were saying they're struggling financially, I reckon we'll get Ward Prowse.

I read the same the other day, a sensible lot. I think they thought that selling Ings would be enough to keep the wolf from the door
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet
His best asset was wining free kicks. The records show that.
Better off with rugby league that stop start attitude.
Looking forward to some high flyers now with movement
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 10:05:35 PM
Nosing on the Southampton forum many of them were saying they're struggling financially, I reckon we'll get Ward Prowse.

I read the same the other day, a sensible lot. I think they thought that selling Ings would be enough to keep the wolf from the door

They need to replace him though or they're be much worse off come May.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 10:09:02 PM
If you were reading the same threads as me they were thinking they'd get £50m

If there isnt better value in a skint European market, we need to look at the recruitment criteria.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2021, 10:12:29 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet
His best asset was wining free kicks. The records show that.
Better off with rugby league that stop start attitude.
Looking forward to some high flyers now with movement
You can keep diminishing his attributes all you want ... but the more you do it the less credible you become. JG is a pretty decent / world-acknowledged player - an all-round player - and we've received a record fee for him.
Now, we are in a position to benefit from that, thanks to the astute purchases already made; and one or two more to come over the next week or so.
But to bad-mouth him just doesn't seem right to me..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2021, 10:12:46 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
I reckon you’d get him for less than that. Would he come though?  I’d like us to look into it though, maybe test the water at £40m
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 10:13:41 PM
If you were reading the same threads as me they were thinking they'd get £50m

If there isnt better value in a skint European market, we need to look at the recruitment criteria.
I agree and you’d think for £50m you’d be bringing in someone from the top echelons of European football for that kind of money.
We do seem a little blinkered towards buying from the domestic market (Bailey being the exception) but you would think there must be top,top talent available a fraction of the price, but without the ‘British market premium’.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2021, 10:21:58 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
I reckon you’d get him for less than that. Would he come though?  I’d like us to look into it though, maybe test the water at £40m

Would be a superb signing.
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Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2021, 10:27:15 PM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet
His best asset was wining free kicks. The records show that.
Better off with rugby league that stop start attitude.
Looking forward to some high flyers now with movement
Come on Footy, you don’t like him but he brought far more than that. He made so many chances and maybe if we had better players they would be assists instead of just chances. He’s a phenomenal talent no doubt about it and will be sadly missed.

Onwards and upwards though.
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Post by: frank black on August 05, 2021, 10:27:34 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
I reckon you’d get him for less than that. Would he come though?  I’d like us to look into it though, maybe test the water at £40m

Would be a superb signing.

Also a fantasy, not even remotely realistic
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 05, 2021, 10:30:11 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
I reckon you’d get him for less than that. Would he come though?  I’d like us to look into it though, maybe test the water at £40m

Would be a superb signing.

Absolutely.
A brilliant player but I just can't see it happening
Mind you a massive bid and you never know.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2021, 10:32:58 PM
Looking forward to some high flyers now with movement

Bid being prepared for Simone Biles as we speak.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 10:33:33 PM
Knocking Jacks moral fibre, dress sense, haircut, choice of friends, driving, taste in Employers is all completely fair game. But to suggest he cant play is deranged.

There is a reason we've just got £100m for him. Lunacy.
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Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
Footy, you’re starting to sound like a very bitter scorned ex. Jack is a world class player, of that there is no doubt.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'
I reckon you’d get him for less than that. Would he come though?  I’d like us to look into it though, maybe test the water at £40m

I take a bit of an interest in Dortmund, with Sancho sold they are under little financial pressure to sell anyone they dont want to, and wont be next year when Harlaand goes.

Think they are moving Delaney on which will mean more game time for Bellingham next year, I think he'll be another that eventually goes for £70m +
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 10:37:35 PM
I'm with FV. Poor man's Graham Fenton, IMO.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2021, 10:37:49 PM
Jack is a brilliant player, of which there is no doubt. Character wise he’s lacking a bit.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 10:40:23 PM
Knocking Jacks moral fibre, dress sense, haircut, choice of friends, driving, taste in Employers is all completely fair game. But to suggest he cant play is deranged.

There is a reason we've just got £100m for him. Lunacy.
Yeah it was a release clause and Villa didn't think anyone would be paying it!
Anyways. I have pretty much said he just lacking in several key areas never questioned his technics far from it wonderful . I acknowledge talent when I see it. But also acknowledge tactics.
No more said on JG and all that.
Just have a good feeling the over reliance now gone in a team sport will actually better ourselves.
Up the Villa.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
Footy, you’re starting to sound like a very bitter scorned ex. Jack is a world class player, of that there is no doubt.



I faked all those cheers when he scored dam him :-[
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 05, 2021, 10:42:17 PM
I'm with FV. Poor man's Graham Fenton, IMO.

And Fenton won more honours
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 10:42:34 PM
Isn’t there another thread somewhere to discuss ex players ?
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Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
Knocking Jacks moral fibre, dress sense, haircut, choice of friends, driving, taste in Employers is all completely fair game. But to suggest he cant play is deranged.

There is a reason we've just got £100m for him. Lunacy.
Yeah it was a release clause and Villa didn't think anyone would be paying it!
Anyways. I have pretty much said he just lacking in several key areas never questioned his technics far from it wonderful . I acknowledge talent when I see it. But also acknowledge tactics.
No more said on JG and all that.
Just have a good feeling the over reliance now gone in a team sport will actually better ourselves.
Up the Villa.

I've lost count how many times you've said 'No more on Jack'. There is a thread still open about him though if you'd like to post there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 10:43:43 PM
Footy, you’re starting to sound like a very bitter scorned ex. Jack is a world class player, of that there is no doubt.
Hold on I've always questioned certain aspects as rooms for improvement. Hardly bitter more perspective taking when everyone claims he's Neymar Messi or Ronaldo.  Disappointed yes. World class debate is off the table for me. We shall see how good it all is.
Right that's my lot on the matter.
And up the Villa.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 10:44:03 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2021, 10:44:43 PM
Anyways. I have pretty much said he just lacking in several key areas never questioned his technics far from it wonderful .

Yes, I'd imagine he could afford decent Hi-Fi but probably still not as good as Nick's. 
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2021, 10:45:04 PM
Jack will likely become the worlds best player, that is why him dumping on us hurts so much. He was worth more than the £100m we got, and gave us a lot more than winning free kicks. Time will tell if the new players can replace him, too early to call it.
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Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 10:45:59 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.
Cantwell….I am warming to the idea but I still feel he’s a bit lightweight and certainly not in the £25m+ bracket.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 10:47:33 PM
His work rate was always spot on, our attacking tactics in the PL were pretty much, give it to Jack and he'll make something happen, and did. From the recruitment it looks like we were aware of those limitations and were doing something about it, but to criticise him for lacking tactical discipline looks a bit like moaning for moanings sake.
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Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2021, 10:47:38 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.

That’s my take on it. If not JWP, it’ll be a big noise I reckon.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2021, 10:47:44 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.

the centre half i can see ,but cantwell would come under a grealish replacement surely

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 10:48:09 PM
Isn’t there another thread somewhere to discuss ex players ?

I think FV is a bit mifffed that the Jack thread has been moved from the main board, so he he's desperatlely trying to keep his views on Grealish here for all to read. It's a bit dull.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2021, 10:50:32 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.

the centre half i can see ,but cantwell would come under a grealish replacement surely


Surely the replacement was Buendia, as explained by Purslow?
That’s why even though I’m not totally against him (Cantwell that is ), JWP is a far more sensible and needed option.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 10:53:00 PM
Isn’t there another thread somewhere to discuss ex players ?

I think FV is a bit mifffed that the Jack thread has been moved from the main board, so he he's desperatlely trying to keep his views on Grealish here for all to read. It's a bit dull.
Clampo I won't mention anymore give you my word!
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Post by: Rory on August 05, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
His work rate was always spot on, our attacking tactics in the PL were pretty much, give it to Jack and he'll make something happen, and did. From the recruitment it looks like we were aware of those limitations and were doing something about it, but to criticise him for lacking tactical discipline looks a bit like moaning for moanings sake.

Yep, he was a brilliant player for us, any suggestion to the contrary is just incorrect. I don't think he's quite as good as his hype, but few players are.
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Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2021, 10:54:03 PM
Do they bring in Cantwell or give Chucky his chance?
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Post by: Rory on August 05, 2021, 10:54:52 PM
Isn’t there another thread somewhere to discuss ex players ?

I think FV is a bit mifffed that the Jack thread has been moved from the main board, so he he's desperatlely trying to keep his views on Grealish here for all to read. It's a bit dull.
Clampo I won't mention anymore give you my word!

You have as much right to post as anyone else, mate. And everybody else has the right to disagree. Just don't take it personally.
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Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Do they bring in Cantwell or give Chucky his chance?

That’s the question we’ll get an answer to within a week...
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Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2021, 10:57:03 PM
Do they bring in Cantwell or give Chucky his chance?

Both. Cantwell plays from the left. Chucky can be brought through slowly down the middle. Bailey may take time to adapt.
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Post by: BoVillan esq on August 05, 2021, 10:57:16 PM
So Tuanzebe, a centre mid and I still reckon we will go for Cantwell. To much smoke there.
Cantwell….I am warming to the idea but I still feel he’s a bit lightweight and certainly not in the £25m+ bracket.

Sad day, to imagine not seeing Jack roll out in Villa's colours, start of season, that's going to be painful, even more painful watching him develop into the best player in the country by far, Deano, go and get Cantwell, sure he can really go forward under the Villa banner into a much better player. 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 10:58:14 PM
Yeah, they're not the same player at all. And no matter how good Chucky is, he won't be playing every game yet. Ease him into the side, don't burn him out.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 11:17:37 PM
Yeah, they're not the same player at all. And no matter how good Chucky is, he won't be playing every game yet. Ease him into the side, don't burn him out.
Highly rated by Purslow
Bedding in is the way to go
Where we play the right system, he's getting in the swing
You come on and look like a king
Chukwuemeka could be that guy
Carney is young and the potentials high
With a bit of right coaching  everything is fine
You're in the mood for a chance
And when you get the chance..
You have the dancing feet young and keen, only seventeen!
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Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2021, 11:20:14 PM
As brilliant as the keeper and defence were last season, I hope we don't suffer too many injuries to the back five this season, particularly with the lack of physical presence that we have in front of them.  As good as Buendia and Bailey look on paper, it's still a bit of a gamble further up the Premier Division table and they need additional support in my view in terms of that midfield enforcer, win it back, keep giving them the ball.  I wonder if Dean will want us to press all over the pitch though and not bother with the physical side of the game.  The other thing, will Dean consider moving Watkins to the wing, to accommodate Danny Ings?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 11:22:36 PM
Yeah, they're not the same player at all. And no matter how good Chucky is, he won't be playing every game yet. Ease him into the side, don't burn him out.
Highly rated by Purslow
Bedding in is the way to go
Where we play the right system, he's getting in the swing
You come on and look like a king
Chukwuemeka could be that guy
Carney is young and the potentials high
With a bit of right coaching  everything is fine
You're in the mood for a chance
And when you get the chance..
You have the dancing feet young and keen, only seventeen!

And the crowd went wild.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: WassallVillain on August 05, 2021, 11:42:17 PM
Bang down a 70 million pound offer for Bellingham please'

That would be a statement of intent.  I think this is a possibility.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 11:43:01 PM
Sign Messi and Bellingham and I won't moan about us bringing Tuanzebe back, I promise.
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Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 12:14:23 AM
I thought Footy was quoting Eels instead of Abba when I scanned through his lyrics quickly - "Chukweuemeka could be that guy". Either way, both quality acts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 01:20:53 AM
As brilliant as the keeper and defence were last season, I hope we don't suffer too many injuries to the back five this season, particularly with the lack of physical presence that we have in front of them.  As good as Buendia and Bailey look on paper, it's still a bit of a gamble further up the Premier Division table and they need additional support in my view in terms of that midfield enforcer, win it back, keep giving them the ball.  I wonder if Dean will want us to press all over the pitch though and not bother with the physical side of the game.  The other thing, will Dean consider moving Watkins to the wing, to accommodate Danny Ings?

Ings quite often played on the left of the attack for Southampton, cutting in to shoot. So Deano may keep Watkins up top to stretch the game. I envisage a lot more fluidity in changing positions from our attackers this season. Watkins did a great job moving out on the left against Leeds (away) last season. Caught Bielsa our big time. Buendia can play centrally or right as well so Deano could make us more fluid and unpredictable then last season. I think we need to be to progress.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 06, 2021, 05:35:58 AM
From marking one individual to stifle our creativity, we now have three players that will all be in different positions and will hurt any team if not marshalled properly.
Add in Olly and that's four players that will be looking to score and assist the others.
A dead ball specialist, (if not brought in immediately, then probably Ashley), gives a mouthwatering line up on paper; time will tell if it all clicks.
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Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2021, 07:08:46 AM
Yes the glass half full in me thinks his going could be the baking of us as we were definitely a one man team and I can’t help wondering if the other players also thought so subconsciously, hence limiting their confidence 
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Post by: Eckybloke on August 06, 2021, 07:09:48 AM
The worry is we’ll look a little bit under done until they all get time together.
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Post by: Bad English on August 06, 2021, 07:17:26 AM
I think we'll bloom. With our front line cutting in from either side we'll batter most teams. But the proof is in the pudding.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 07:47:11 AM
A couple more good players and I agree.
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Post by: Nelly on August 06, 2021, 07:53:31 AM
There were times last season where we looked incredible, those West Brom and Burnley games - I know we managed to lose the latter but that was so one-sided I was almost embarrassed. We've expanded our attacking line-up and I am so incredibly excited to see what we're capable of now.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2021, 07:56:04 AM
The worry is we’ll look a little bit under done until they all get time together.

Yes it’s a good point. It could take a bit of time to get going.
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Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 06, 2021, 08:00:38 AM
His best attribute was creating masses of hitherto observable time and space for himself and others. Not many can do it so well so often with ball at feet
His best asset was wining free kicks. The records show that.
Better off with rugby league that stop start attitude.
Looking forward to some high flyers now with movement
You can keep diminishing his attributes all you want ... but the more you do it the less credible you become. JG is a pretty decent / world-acknowledged player - an all-round player - and we've received a record fee for him.
Now, we are in a position to benefit from that, thanks to the astute purchases already made; and one or two more to come over the next week or so.
But to bad-mouth him just doesn't seem right to me..

You’re right, of course, but it’s only human nature for the jilted, mate.

“Oh, she wasn’t that pretty/ he wasn’t that good-looking anyway.”
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2021, 08:30:08 AM
I think we'll bloom. With our front line cutting in from either side we'll batter most teams. But the proof is in the pudding.

I think with those three added to the side we're going to ciabatta a few teams this season
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Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves
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Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2021, 08:34:08 AM
Hard to pick a balanced 6 from these? Luiz, McGinn, Sanson, Nakamba, Ramsey, Traore, AEG, Buendia, Bailey, Ings, Watkins ....especially if another top DCM is coming in. Serious options though
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Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2021, 08:36:21 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.
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Post by: London Villan on August 06, 2021, 08:37:57 AM
Well Sanson, Luiz and Bailey won't be ready to play next Saturday  -

So McGinn and Marv as the two.

As for the front four

Bert, Buendia (if fit) Watkins

Ings
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2021, 08:38:48 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.
the cream needs to rise to the top.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 06, 2021, 08:40:17 AM
Well Sanson, Luiz and Bailey won't be ready to play next Saturday  -

So McGinn and Marv as the two.

As for the front four

Bert, Buendia (if fit) Watkins

Ings


Suspect we will have another new signing starting that day as well
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Post by: Holy Trinity on August 06, 2021, 08:45:38 AM
Well Sanson, Luiz and Bailey won't be ready to play next Saturday  -

So McGinn and Marv as the two.

As for the front four

Bert, Buendia (if fit) Watkins

Ings


Suspect we will have another new signing starting that day as well

Will he be finished today Vinnie? Also assuming he'll be starting ahead of nakamba
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Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 09:05:02 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 09:12:24 AM
As I see it, Sourhampton will not let go of JWP easily; Bellingham is likely to be a total non-option, since Dortmund have made their big-ticket summer disposal; Tuanzebe may well become a target for Leicester who can offer Euro-fuss.
JG's role is somewhat covered by Buendia and bailey (when both are fit and acclimatised). Cantwell may offer something we don't have but I cannot see him being good value for money.
However, we need someone who can hit the ground running and provide backbone in the middle of the park (who can catalyse the transition as well as break down the opposition offence): who that might be is a more difficult challenge! Is there another budding Bellingham out there?!
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 06, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Hendo? Contract issues I think.
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Post by: Rudy65 on August 06, 2021, 09:17:05 AM
Well Sanson, Luiz and Bailey won't be ready to play next Saturday  -

So McGinn and Marv as the two.

As for the front four

Bert, Buendia (if fit) Watkins

Ings


Suspect we will have another new signing starting that day as well

Ashley?
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Post by: danno on August 06, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Hendo? Contract issues I think.

That would be some statement of intent.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2021, 09:18:27 AM
Hendo? Contract issues I think.
He wouldn't come, but that would be an incredible signing.
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Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Hendo? Contract issues I think.
Yes, that occurred to me after I'd written my previous post.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2021, 09:22:15 AM
Dean Smith likes smart signings. So I fully expect something from left field we haven’t thought of but a nonetheless cracking player. I have no idea who but hope they are fit to drop into the team straight away. I imagine Bailey won’t join up with the squad until next week.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2021, 09:24:17 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.

Cream first ?
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 06, 2021, 09:25:26 AM
Sander Berge is still an option, and probably more gettable?
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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 09:31:05 AM
Sander Berge is still an option, and probably more gettable?

Was she the one that was always in Clint Eastwood films?
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Post by: Rodders on August 06, 2021, 09:33:27 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.

After much flap Jack is gone and I think we now have what it cakes to really gateaux head this season.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 06, 2021, 09:36:46 AM
Edson Alvarez? Can play centre back too so covers two positions.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 09:53:08 AM
Hard to pick a balanced 6 from these? Luiz, McGinn, Sanson, Nakamba, Ramsey, Traore, AEG, Buendia, Bailey, Ings, Watkins ....especially if another top DCM is coming in. Serious options though

Thats been the issue since we went down - a load of good midfielders but no good combination of them. Like last year we will at times be utterly wonderful to watch and spank teams, but at times get trampled all over.

Really think we need to push the boat out and get an exceptional 'midfield general' type that has nous and physical presence but can also play a bit. A modern day Andy Townsend type. Also think we would benefit from competition for Nakamba that can sit in front of the back four and soak up pressure, but can also pick a decent pass.

If we do that then we probably need to shed Sanson or Luiz, not because they are bad (both have good potential) but because we have too many similar players and not enough variety in midfield.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 06, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
 I'm seeing Tuanzebe and Cantwell in with Hourihane going as part of the latter deal.  AEG probably out of the door, too. I don't think JWP will be on the cards, injured and the Ings money will keep Saints on an even keel, perhaps one more in the centre?
 Barry has to go out on loan with the arrival of Ings as another season in the U23 will do little for his development.  We have been fairly proactive in the youth loans so far, I'd be suprised if we don't see one or two more going to League One/Two.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2021, 10:04:29 AM
Suspect we will have another new signing starting that day as well

His name isn't an anagram of 'El Lion' is it?
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 06, 2021, 10:08:23 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.

Cream first ?

There isn't another way.
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Post by: algy on August 06, 2021, 10:18:52 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.

Cream first ?

There isn't another way.
This is wrong. Entirely impractical. The queen of England has them jam first, and anyone who does it differently is clearly a wrong 'un.

Right side/fuck them up/jam first/...
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
I never took you for a 'right sider' Algy.

Dissapointed tbh.  Everyone knows the left side was where it was at.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2021, 10:35:55 AM
can't beat a bit of rightside. Anyway I have lifelong and strong links to Cornwall so there is only one way.
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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 10:41:13 AM
The left side was for the exitable babbies. The heads were all in the right.
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Post by: Rotterdam on August 06, 2021, 10:43:54 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.
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Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 10:53:26 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.

In absolutely no way would Phillips be a cheaper option. If he'd even consider it there's no chance they'd let him go for less than £60-70m for the exact same reason that we've just got £100m for someone.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 06, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.

In absolutely no way would Phillips be a cheaper option. If he'd even consider it there's no chance they'd let him go for less than £60-70m for the exact same reason that we've just got £100m for someone.

that's a hell of a lot of money for sideways passing. Phillips is decent but at that price? 
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Post by: Ian. on August 06, 2021, 10:55:54 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.

In absolutely no way would Phillips be a cheaper option. If he'd even consider it there's no chance they'd let him go for less than £60-70m for the exact same reason that we've just got £100m for someone.

Both had a fantastic Euros and I’m pretty sure their price would both be north of 50m. They are both fantastic players. I’ve watched a lot of Rice this season and think he’s brilliant, however Phillips really impressed me in the tournament, he was outstanding I thought.
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Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.

In absolutely no way would Phillips be a cheaper option. If he'd even consider it there's no chance they'd let him go for less than £60-70m for the exact same reason that we've just got £100m for someone.

that's a hell of a lot of money for sideways passing. Phillips is decent but at that price? 

I wouldn't pay it but he's as much a talisman to them as our former player was here and he's also on the back of a good euros, it would need to be a ridiculous offer to even get them to talk and he'd be worth a fraction of whatever was agreed.
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Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 11:00:29 AM
While discussing Henderson (no from me), I'll stir the pot with Declan Rice or Kalvin Phillips? Chelski were looking at £50m for Rice earlier in the window, Phillips a cheaper option.

In absolutely no way would Phillips be a cheaper option. If he'd even consider it there's no chance they'd let him go for less than £60-70m for the exact same reason that we've just got £100m for someone.

Both had a fantastic Euros and I’m pretty sure their price would both be north of 50m. They are both fantastic players. I’ve watched a lot of Rice this season and think he’s brilliant, however Phillips really impressed me in the tournament, he was outstanding I thought.
Neither will come to us at this stage, IMO. And, both carry the 'English premium'.
Someone unexpected and unexpectedly good will be brought in, hopefully.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 06, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
Rice and Phillips both did well at the Euros, but playing in a side with two defensive midfielders and relatively little attacking intent. It's easy to look solid in that sort of set-up. Tougher when your midfield partner looks to get over the halfway line occasionally, though.
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Post by: JD on August 06, 2021, 11:01:11 AM
I agree with Paul-e. For 50m you are more likely to get Rice than the stupid bun hair from Dirty Leeds, who wouldn't sell him.

I would prefer Rice, I think he is a lot better player and the Porn Dwarves would probably be more inclined to sell. 
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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 11:02:05 AM
Phillips brings the Alan Partridge shrug out in me.
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Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2021, 11:04:41 AM
Let's be brutally honest, Rice will only go to Chelsea and Phillips wouldn't leave Leeds for us in a month of Sundays (or sundaes if the punfest is still going). 
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2021, 11:12:51 AM
Be very surprised if we spend 50+m a PL DM. If we do buy one, and i'm not convinced we will, it will be from abroad.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
If I was the owners of either I would be asking for £100 million.
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Post by: villa for life on August 06, 2021, 11:25:29 AM
I wonder if Leicester will want Axel given the injury to Fofana
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
Zouma surely a better bet for them?
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Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2021, 11:32:29 AM
Not a chance Phillips or Rice would go to a team that finished 11th last season...will be interesting to see if Phillips shows a bit more loyalty to his hometown club when the time comes... surprised Rice hasn't already left, has plenty of form for that....

Thought Watkins did very well last season leading the line for us. Ings is a fine player but shifting Watkins regularly to the left wing to accommodate him doesn't make much sense to me. Going two up top would leave us very light in midfield and none of our wide options are grafters either. Lots for Deano to figure out but I'm a bit worried as to our shape when everyone is fit and available.
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Post by: OCD on August 06, 2021, 11:38:42 AM
I think players like Bellingham, Rice and Phillips would only be options if could offer champions league football. It's just a little bit too soon. We're better off looking at players who aren't as established but that we can identify as having the ability to get there with a little more development and progression with us.
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Post by: nick harper on August 06, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
We found the player we’re looking for now in 2015 - Idrissa Gueye. Right player, wrong time. We need to find the 2021 version.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 06, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
Now Jack scone, it’s time for the rest of the squad to prove themselves

It's certainly given us food for thought.

You want jam on it.

Cream first ?

There isn't another way.
This is wrong. Entirely impractical. The queen of England has them jam first, and anyone who does it differently is clearly a wrong 'un.

Right side/fuck them up/jam first/...
Jam first.

Always.
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Post by: Dave on August 06, 2021, 11:50:58 AM
We found the player we’re looking for now in 2015 - Idrissa Gueye. Right player, wrong time. We need to find the 2021 version.

Could do worse than just bringing him back for a couple of seasons, given PSG have about eight similar players for that position and probably wouldn't be upset to lose his wages.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 06, 2021, 11:57:35 AM
Gueye returning would just remind me of that god awful team we had back then, regardless of what he's gone on to achieve elsewhere.  Eye-bleedingly bad on every single level. 
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Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
Gueye returning would just remind me of that god awful team we had back then, regardless of what he's gone on to achieve elsewhere.  Eye-bleedingly bad on every single level.

You could see he had talent back then but he used to give up after a couple of mistakes. The mismanagement of those young players was absolutely scandalous but it shows the importance of a solid crew of senior pros at a club. No wonder Dim Tim has never managed again, nor Garde really either. Can't even remember the last geezer.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 06, 2021, 12:11:27 PM
Not a chance Phillips or Rice would go to a team that finished 11th last season...will be interesting to see if Phillips shows a bit more loyalty to his hometown club when the time comes... surprised Rice hasn't already left, has plenty of form for that....

Thought Watkins did very well last season leading the line for us. Ings is a fine player but shifting Watkins regularly to the left wing to accommodate him doesn't make much sense to me. Going two up top would leave us very light in midfield and none of our wide options are grafters either. Lots for Deano to figure out but I'm a bit worried as to our shape when everyone is fit and available.
Not sure about his spell at Exeter but Ollie spent most of his time at Brentford playing on the left.
I rate Ings as a better finisher than Ollie.Ollie's movement and pace are his assets and with Bailey also offering blistering pace and goals,I think it's a very good combination.
Ollie offers great workrate and pressing which we haven't had on the flanks,except for Trez and Ollie is far superior.This should allow us to win the ball higher up the pitch which Smith really wants.
Think Liverpool as a blueprint,who haven't got a Buendia in their midfield,but possess 2 wide goalscorers,Mane and Salah,who aren't traditional wingers.

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Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2021, 12:18:30 PM
Gueye returning would just remind me of that god awful team we had back then, regardless of what he's gone on to achieve elsewhere.  Eye-bleedingly bad on every single level.

yep. Somehow I doubt Gueye has that many happy memories that would persuade him to return either.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
Philip Billings who is at Bournemouth I've always found a solid and neat and tidy player.Danish 25 years old. Played for Huddersfield and Bournemouth previously in Prem. 6'6. Central to defensive midfield
Has a lot of physicality. Does get cautioned a lot but that's nature of his play and position.
Perhaps some one of this to be a competitive squad option who has played premier league experience. Offers a different dimensions to anything we have in the engine room and defensively screening midfield slot.
Would say £15m

Not exactly Dean Smiths type size wise he likes a different style of footballer however think he would be open if player was right and Billings has played in footballing teams of Huddersfield and Bournemouth though tailed off a bit
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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 12:25:28 PM
Neat and tidy? He's a big dirty carthorse.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 12:26:43 PM
Not sure Gueye is a huge amount better with the ball than Nakamba is either. We need the original snake at the top of his game.
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Post by: old man villa fan on August 06, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
Where it worked last season was when we had an attacking three of a wide player, Watkins and Grealish, who would naturally drift.  When Grealish was out of the side we had two wide players and Watkins with the two wide players playing too wide with little inclination to move inside.  We have to have a front three with movement into any of the areas across the pitch.  Doing this means you can create space and bring your fullbacks into play as the wide player.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
Billings is a shit championship level donkey.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 12:27:48 PM
Which is why Cantwell is a good fit. That drift into the middle, deep to get the ball in tight spaces etc.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 06, 2021, 12:32:20 PM
Romeu from Southampton would be my choice for a defensive DM, if he could be prised away.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2021, 12:33:05 PM
From marking one individual to stifle our creativity, we now have three players that will all be in different positions and will hurt any team if not marshalled properly.
Add in Olly and that's four players that will be looking to score and assist the others.
A dead ball specialist, (if not brought in immediately, then probably Ashley), gives a mouthwatering line up on paper; time will tell if it all clicks.

I like. Great summary
(Don't forget Traroe and AEG too)
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Post by: mallo on August 06, 2021, 12:37:52 PM
I'd take Cantwell - good player and knows Buendia obviously.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2021, 12:39:23 PM
I'd take Cantwell - good player and knows Buendia obviously.

Buendia probably thinks he's a twat. I know I do.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
Romeu from Southampton would be my choice for a defensive DM, if he could be prised away.

I was sort of "meh", but i'm warming to him. Can't see it now with the Ings transfers though.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2021, 12:44:02 PM
Hearing Purslow state that Villa planned to find Jack Grealish qualities in 3 forward players not one as a replacement leads me to think that in attacking areas our business is certainly done there and maybe totally done outside of Tuanzebe and a goal keeper.

Buendia 38m
Bailey 35m
Danny Ings 30m
That's over 100m
(Plus Ashley Young)

Purslow states:
We believe we have achieved this key objective
And in doing so have reduced an overdependency on one brilliant footballer..
Last year's outstanding signings who have settled brilliantly as well as the academy players in and around the first team

I think we don't want to get too greedy with all this and let our players settle and the squad we have develop.

The one intesrting thing is that these moves were for replacing Grealish and strength the squad. But what were the intentions otherwise outside of that ?

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Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 12:47:41 PM
Agreed, I can't see another attack-minded player coming (i.e Cantwell) unless it's a long-term, leftfield choice like Gary Shaw of River Plate.

A base midfielder a bit better than Reo-Coker and Dunga; and Axel T returning, I think that will be it. I wonder if Guilbert will leave, that might necessitate a cheap right-back understudy option too.
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Post by: mallo on August 06, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
Hearing Purslow state that Villa planned to find Jack Grealish qualities in 3 forward players not one as a replacement leads me to think that in attacking areas our business is certainly done there and maybe totally done outside of Tuanzebe and a goal keeper.

Buendia 38m
Bailey 35m
Danny Ings 30m
That's over 100m
(Plus Ashley Young)

Purslow states:
We believe we have achieved this key objective
And in doing so have reduced an overdependency on one brilliant footballer..
Last year's outstanding signings who have settled brilliantly as well as the academy players in and around the first team

I think we don't want to get too greedy with all this and let our players settle and the squad we have develop.

The one intesrting thing is that these moves were for replacing Grealish and strength the squad. But what were the intentions otherwise outside of that ?


We've just had £100M in though so thats net nearly zero - plenty left for another player in. If Douggie is staying that gives us marvelous, DL and SJM defensively - a cracker there would mean 4 DMs - is that too many or would we ship one? It does seem we're after another AM though as we're talking to Norwich apparently.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 06, 2021, 12:59:14 PM
Nakamba is the only natural DM we have. McGinn and Luiz have tried it but the role doesn’t suit them.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2021, 12:59:59 PM
You've included all the add on there Footy.  Iw we get top 6 or 4 I'm sure we'll be happy to top us the extra £15-20m but the current figure is somewhat less.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2021, 01:04:23 PM
I agree with Paul-e. For 50m you are more likely to get Rice than the stupid bun hair from Dirty Leeds, who wouldn't sell him.

I would prefer Rice, I think he is a lot better player and the Porn Dwarves would probably be more inclined to sell. 
I don't think for one moment that West Ham would sell Rice for £50m and if they were that stupid there's no way he'd come to us.  He is a superb DM, one of the best in the league.

Same goes for Philips, he wouldn't join us before and certainly wouldn't now.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2021, 01:13:42 PM
of course not that long ago, Rice was desperate to come to us on loan.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 01:14:26 PM
If Rice was available for that sort of money he'd be heading to Chelsea, Manchester or Merseyside.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 06, 2021, 01:23:52 PM
I agree with Paul-e. For 50m you are more likely to get Rice than the stupid bun hair from Dirty Leeds, who wouldn't sell him.

I would prefer Rice, I think he is a lot better player and the Porn Dwarves would probably be more inclined to sell. 

Given West Ham have quoted Chelsea 100m for Rice, I doubt they'd sell him to us for 50m.
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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 01:28:53 PM
I agree with Paul-e. For 50m you are more likely to get Rice than the stupid bun hair from Dirty Leeds, who wouldn't sell him.

I would prefer Rice, I think he is a lot better player and the Porn Dwarves would probably be more inclined to sell. 

Given West Ham have quoted Chelsea 100m for Rice, I doubt they'd sell him to us for 50m.

Kit stealing guilt discount?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 01:30:44 PM
I agree with Paul-e. For 50m you are more likely to get Rice than the stupid bun hair from Dirty Leeds, who wouldn't sell him.

I would prefer Rice, I think he is a lot better player and the Porn Dwarves would probably be more inclined to sell. 

Given West Ham have quoted Chelsea 100m for Rice, I doubt they'd sell him to us for 50m.

Fucking spoilsports.
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Post by: john e on August 06, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
We’re not going to get Rice or Philips chaps for the same reason we haven’t got Grealish no more







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Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 01:38:08 PM
Succinct pal.
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Post by: john e on August 06, 2021, 01:39:29 PM
less than zero chance of this but getting Bellingham would be the greatest thing to happen since man walked on the moon

Edit - on a number of levels
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Post by: Smoke on August 06, 2021, 01:40:27 PM
Whilst watching Purslows statement last night my first thought was, maybe he's making it clear we have replaced grealish with the 3 already brought in so that any others coming in hopefully won't be branded as "the grealish replacement" especially if that next player through the door looks very much like a grealish replacement by way of Cantwell?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 01:42:53 PM
less than zero chance of this but getting Bellingham would be the greatest thing to happen since man walked on the moon

I don't think its realistic either, but it is the sort of player and quality of player that we need. Hoping for another rabbit out of the hat like Bailey.

If the Barca wage cap issue is actually real then surely there must be a player there we could take off their hands. French, Italian and Spanish clubs all have financial problems this year, time to take advantage of that.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2021, 01:44:53 PM
Whilst watching Purslows statement last night my first thought was, maybe he's making it clear we have replaced grealish with the 3 already brought in so that any others coming in hopefully won't be branded as "the grealish replacement" especially if that next player through the door looks very much like a grealish replacement by way of Cantwell?

God i hope not. I read it as a thinly veiled "we don't need to buy so don't take the piss with transfer fees" to any club we approach.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 06, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
We’re not going to get Rice or Philips chaps for the same reason we haven’t got Grealish no more
Correctamundo
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
If i could pick just one more to come in of anyone that is even vaguely possible it would be Bellingham or failing that Phillips. You can see why we wanted him 2 years ago and it shows the recruitment team know what they're looking at. I'd say Bellingham would be unlikely though and Phillips very unlikely.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 01:53:29 PM
Latest link seems to be Correa, an Argentine striker currently at Lazio. Can't see us signing another forward now, but thought I'd mention it. No idea if he is any good, but full international playing at Lazio so can't be terrible.
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Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 01:54:50 PM
Whilst watching Purslows statement last night my first thought was, maybe he's making it clear we have replaced grealish with the 3 already brought in so that any others coming in hopefully won't be branded as "the grealish replacement" especially if that next player through the door looks very much like a grealish replacement by way of Cantwell?
God i hope not. I read it as a thinly veiled "we don't need to buy so don't take the piss with transfer fees" to any club we approach.
I read both meanings into what he said.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2021, 02:03:18 PM
Nakamba is the only natural DM we have. McGinn and Luiz have tried it but the role doesn’t suit them.

Luiz was excellent there post restart the season before last. If he got that form back, he would be more than capable in that role. Last season he was average at best though.
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Post by: danno on August 06, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
Nakamba is the only natural DM we have. McGinn and Luiz have tried it but the role doesn’t suit them.

Luiz was excellent there post restart the season before last. If he got that form back, he would be more than capable in that role. Last season he was average at best though.

I think in part it was because after the restart he was in a midfield three with McGinn and Hourihane. Last season it was two holders and he just had McGinn next to him.
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Post by: mrfuse on August 06, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
Nakamba is the only natural DM we have. McGinn and Luiz have tried it but the role doesn’t suit them.

Luiz was excellent there post restart the season before last. If he got that form back, he would be more than capable in that role. Last season he was average at best though.

I agree I wouldn't be too quick to write him off. I really like much to the amusements of my mates.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 06, 2021, 02:13:22 PM
Whilst watching Purslows statement last night my first thought was, maybe he's making it clear we have replaced grealish with the 3 already brought in so that any others coming in hopefully won't be branded as "the grealish replacement" especially if that next player through the door looks very much like a grealish replacement by way of Cantwell?
God i hope not. I read it as a thinly veiled "we don't need to buy so don't take the piss with transfer fees" to any club we approach.
I read both meanings into what he said.

Well I wouldn't say 40m for Cantwell fits that strategy with a year left on his contract. There is good value out there as Bailey showed. Ings compares favourable to what Callum Wilson went for last summer when we were interested. Buendia maybe a small premium. No need to panic spending the ratboy money and getting screwed.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
If you could get Cantwell for £25 plus Hourihane it's a good deal all round.

Being linked to Anguissa at Fulham who always looked a good holding mid to me.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 02:31:52 PM
If you could get Cantwell for £25 plus Hourihane it's a good deal all round.

Being linked to Anguissa at Fulham who always looked a good holding mid to me.

Be very happy with both of them. If it is £25m and Hourihane off the wage bill it would be a good deal for both sides. I like Connor but he needs to move where he will get game time now.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 02:42:58 PM
We could do with getting someone in quickly with Luiz and Davis out and a chance that Bailey, Buendia, Sanson, Traore and Ings could all not yet be match fit.
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Post by: john e on August 06, 2021, 02:46:56 PM
We could do with getting someone in quickly with Luiz and Davis out and a chance that Bailey, Buendia, Sanson, Traore and Ings could all not yet be match fit.

  no one will be match fit
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
Anguissa is ok but not a massive upgrade on Nakamba in my opinion. He's the sort of signing I'd have been happy with if Grealish had stayed but now we've got £100m in the bank and more pressure to make a 'statement' signing I'd be underwhelmed by him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 02:53:57 PM
Yeah, we need to be signing spectacular, not solid, now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: old man villa fan on August 06, 2021, 03:07:38 PM
Yeah, we need to be signing spectacular, not solid, now.

As hard as it may seem on some of the current 1st Team players and favourites of some fans, we have to start looking at the weakest links in the team and replacing them.  If we do not, we will not progress.  Boosting squad/bit part players also blocks the development of young players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2021, 03:13:54 PM
Yeah, we need to be signing spectacular, not solid, now.

As hard as it may seem on some of the current 1st Team players and favourites of some fans, we have to start looking at the weakest links in the team and replacing them.  If we do not, we will not progress.  Boosting squad/bit part players also blocks the development of young players.

Serious question - which positions in particular? I still don't think we have the central mid balance right but not sure who we could bring in to improve at this stage.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: old man villa fan on August 06, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
Yeah, we need to be signing spectacular, not solid, now.

As hard as it may seem on some of the current 1st Team players and favourites of some fans, we have to start looking at the weakest links in the team and replacing them.  If we do not, we will not progress.  Boosting squad/bit part players also blocks the development of young players.

Serious question - which positions in particular? I still don't think we have the central mid balance right but not sure who we could bring in to improve at this stage.

I have always believed in having a strong spine to the team.  I think we need a strong dominant central midfield player above any other position.  We need a player that can cover that position on his own without having to use two players (e.g. England).  To my mind that means spending around £40m (or more) to get the right player.  I do not think there is time in this window but they should be doing their homework on a short list of players that compliment the existing players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 03:21:27 PM
It's really tough now. Bissouma and Ward Prowse are both upgrades in there for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2021, 03:25:16 PM
It's really tough now. Bissouma and Ward Prowse are both upgrades in there for me.

Different players though Jim. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Looking at the current squad, it's pretty clear where the gaps are:
   
GoalkeepersMartinezSteer***
DefendersCashTargettYoungGuilbert
KonsaHauseMings
Central MFNakamba***
MF 8McGinnSansonRamseyLuiz
Attacking MFBuendia***
WingersBaileyTraoreTrezAEG
ForwardsWesleyDavisWatkinsIngs
And, with Wes and Davis being the way they are, there's a case for another striker. But the needs are obvious and explain perhaps why the rumours for Tuanzebe and Cantwell persist. Question is whether the CMF role is being recruited, and  - if so - who is the acquisition-target?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 03:27:49 PM
It's really tough now. Bissouma and Ward Prowse are both upgrades in there for me.

Different players though Jim. 

Rich.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2021, 03:28:28 PM
Looking at the current squad, it's pretty clear where the gaps are:
   
GoalkeepersMartinezSteer***
DefendersCashTargettYoungGuilbert
KonsaHauseMings
Central MFNakamba***
MF 8McGinnSansonRamseyLuiz
Attacking MFBuendia***
WingersBaileyTraoreTrezAEG
ForwardsWesleyDavisWatkinsIngs
And, with Wes and Davis being the way they are, there's a case for another striker. But the needs are obvious and explain perhaps why the rumours for Tuanzebe and Cantwell persist. Question is whether the CMF role is being recruited, and  - if so - who is the acquisition-target?

We have to find a way to move Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 03:30:29 PM
Joe Willock is trending. Where is he off to? Let Bruce/Newcastle have Conor and we can take Joe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Looking at the current squad, it's pretty clear where the gaps are:
   
GoalkeepersMartinezSteer***
DefendersCashTargettYoungGuilbert
KonsaHauseMings
Central MFNakamba***
MF 8McGinnSansonRamseyLuiz
Attacking MFBuendia***
WingersBaileyTraoreTrezAEG
ForwardsWesleyDavisWatkinsIngs
And, with Wes and Davis being the way they are, there's a case for another striker. But the needs are obvious and explain perhaps why the rumours for Tuanzebe and Cantwell persist. Question is whether the CMF role is being recruited, and  - if so - who is the acquisition-target?

We have to find a way to move Wesley.


fireworks ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2021, 03:37:38 PM
If Willock was any good, he would be staying at Arsenal and fighting for his place.  Scored some goals for the barcodes last season but his overall play is certainly no better, in fact, is inferior to what we already have.  I'd be surprised if we are actually in for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 06, 2021, 03:38:01 PM
Joe Willock anyone ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2021, 03:41:53 PM
He looks a good player to me, based on watching him play. Also, scoring 8 games in a row for a pile of shite team like Newcastle is no mean feat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 06, 2021, 03:56:38 PM
Beware the hot streak, Lee Hendrie managed one of those (scoring better goals). Didn't Marcus Stewart win the golden boot one year?

Anyway he looks to me like McGinn-lite. Not a bad player, but not what we're lacking right now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on August 06, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Yeah, we need to be signing spectacular, not solid, now.

As hard as it may seem on some of the current 1st Team players and favourites of some fans, we have to start looking at the weakest links in the team and replacing them.  If we do not, we will not progress.  Boosting squad/bit part players also blocks the development of young players.

Serious question - which positions in particular? I still don't think we have the central mid balance right but not sure who we could bring in to improve at this stage.

I have always believed in having a strong spine to the team.  I think we need a strong dominant central midfield player above any other position.  We need a player that can cover that position on his own without having to use two players (e.g. England).  To my mind that means spending around £40m (or more) to get the right player.  I do not think there is time in this window but they should be doing their homework on a short list of players that compliment the existing players.
Agree with your point about not blocking the development of young players,that's my only  concern about signing Cantwell,where does that leave Chukwuemeka and Jacob Ramsey ?
Any upgrade on Nakamba,although I think he is underrated,would be welcome.JWP would be sensational.If we had to wait a year,I can see Saints struggling,then the likes of Anguissa or Berge would be a £20-25m fix now.We would then have great competition in centre midfield and probably a couple of good ones who would be surplus to requirements next year.
As you say we will have to be ruthless with some of the senior squad players in the near future.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 04:02:47 PM
Whispers saying we are in for an Arsenal player.

Xhaka looked like moving to Roma, be an experienced head.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2021, 04:16:31 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on August 06, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
Looking at the current squad, it's pretty clear where the gaps are:
   
GoalkeepersMartinezSteer***
DefendersCashTargettYoungGuilbert
KonsaHauseMings
Central MFNakamba***
MF 8McGinnSansonRamseyLuiz
Attacking MFBuendia***
WingersBaileyTraoreTrezAEG
ForwardsWesleyDavisWatkinsIngs
And, with Wes and Davis being the way they are, there's a case for another striker. But the needs are obvious and explain perhaps why the rumours for Tuanzebe and Cantwell persist. Question is whether the CMF role is being recruited, and  - if so - who is the acquisition-target?

Squad size is 25, so there are only two spaces left in your list above, assuming Hourihane moves on.  If Davis or Wesley move too, then there is room for another 3.


Aso, it's been quite a while since I paid any real attention to Ashley Young, but are we sure his days of playing further forward are definitely over?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.

No seems to get it mostly right this window, albeit always vague like a fortune teller.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2021, 04:24:53 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.

No seems to get it mostly right this window, albeit always vague like a fortune teller.

You're joking, he's very obviously making it up as he goes along and can't even be bothered to delete the stuff which is wrong, which is rule 1.0 for online saddoes pretending to be ITK.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2021, 04:25:28 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.

No seems to get it mostly right this window, albeit always vague like a fortune teller.

ESR is going to pull a Delph special. Wink, weird click noise and all!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 06, 2021, 04:26:00 PM
Anguissa is ok but not a massive upgrade on Nakamba in my opinion. He's the sort of signing I'd have been happy with if Grealish had stayed but now we've got £100m in the bank and more pressure to make a 'statement' signing I'd be underwhelmed by him.

Can Messi play DM?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.

No seems to get it mostly right this window, albeit always vague like a fortune teller.

ESR is going to pull a Delph special. Wink, weird click noise and all!



Now that would be funny.

Delph himself is available!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 04:35:17 PM
Looking at the current squad, it's pretty clear where the gaps are:
   
GoalkeepersMartinezSteer***
DefendersCashTargettYoungGuilbert
KonsaHauseMings
Central MFNakamba***
MF 8McGinnSansonRamseyLuiz
Attacking MFBuendia***
WingersBaileyTraoreTrezAEG
ForwardsWesleyDavisWatkinsIngs
And, with Wes and Davis being the way they are, there's a case for another striker. But the needs are obvious and explain perhaps why the rumours for Tuanzebe and Cantwell persist. Question is whether the CMF role is being recruited, and  - if so - who is the acquisition-target?

Squad size is 25, so there are only two spaces left in your list above, assuming Hourihane moves on.  If Davis or Wesley move too, then there is room for another 3.


Aso, it's been quite a while since I paid any real attention to Ashley Young, but are we sure his days of playing further forward are definitely over?

That's not quite true, Ramsey is young enough to not be counted so that's 22 players we'd have to name in the squad. On top of that Trez won't play before January so no need to register him now.


That means Keeper, CB, DM and AM could all come in pretty easily.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
So if we are now on plan B because he’s gone, what are we expecting? A marquee do you think?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
Would rather sign a young goalkeeper and defender, they're not likely to play much anyway so better that they don't take up a squad space. Leave a slot or two available for January in case we have bad injuries or loss of form and need to strengthen again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
Would rather sign a young goalkeeper and defender, they're not likely to play much anyway so better that they don't take up a squad space. Leave a slot or two available for January in case we have bad injuries or loss of form and need to strengthen again.

We've got a young keeper in Sinisalo. We're probably looking to get him more experience so just need someone who can act as a stand-in if we needed it, given that Steer has had his injury issues too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 04:47:22 PM
Can we loan Sinisalo but include a return clause so we can bring him back if need be?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2021, 04:56:23 PM
So if we are now on plan B because he’s gone, what are we expecting? A marquee do you think?

A decent sized tent at least, if not a full marquee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 04:57:00 PM
Would rather sign a young goalkeeper and defender, they're not likely to play much anyway so better that they don't take up a squad space. Leave a slot or two available for January in case we have bad injuries or loss of form and need to strengthen again.

We've got a young keeper in Sinisalo. We're probably looking to get him more experience so just need someone who can act as a stand-in if we needed it, given that Steer has had his injury issues too.

I can't decide on the keepers. Sinisalo is young but has played a season of senior football (and did very well by all accounts) so really should be ready to be 3rd choice which means Steer is the issue. He has the ability to be a solid backup keeper but his fitness is a concern and I suspect that's why we might see someone come in.


Can we loan Sinisalo but include a return clause so we can bring him back if need be?


Are you allowed to have loans like that any more?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: colin69 on August 06, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
So if we are now on plan B because he’s gone, what are we expecting? A marquee do you think?

A decent sized tent at least, if not a full marquee.

Just choked on my tea…😂😂😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 06, 2021, 05:07:37 PM
Whispers is wrong all the time isn’t he.

I deleted him, just seems to say enough to get you interested but not enough to actually be proved wrong. I reckon he used to work for Club Call back in the day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 05:18:35 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2021, 05:36:31 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.

Hard to believe he's still only 23.. seems like he's been pro for 20 years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 06, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.

Hard to believe he's still only 23.. seems like he's been pro for 20 years.

He looked great in the Euros I thought
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
Watching people bump off when trying to foul him at the Euro's was funny. He's developed physically since the last Euro's and he flys around the pitch. Imagine being on the ball and hearing him coming to close you down! Really good at carrying the ball forward at peace which would be a different option for Villa. Andy Brassell was saying that Lille are hawking him around. For £30m I'd buy him. Needs work on his tactical discipline though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2021, 06:14:04 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.

Hard to believe he's still only 23.. seems like he's been pro for 20 years.

He looked great in the Euros I thought
I don’t know much about his club form, but he’s obviously improved a lot since his last appearance in the PL with Swansea if he’s holding down an International place with Portugal, so could be a good signing and is available at decent money. Apparently Liverpool, Arsenal and Barcelona are sniffing around him too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.

Hard to believe he's still only 23.. seems like he's been pro for 20 years.

He looked great in the Euros I thought
I don’t know much about his club form, but he’s obviously improved a lot since his last appearance in the PL with Swansea if he’s holding down an International place with Portugal, so could be a good signing and is available at decent money. Apparently Liverpool, Arsenal and Barcelona are sniffing around him too.

For the first time in my life on this planet, I can say that we can probably rule out Barcelona as a threat to sign a player ahead of us. They're literally counting every bean...and still moaning about the mess they got themselves into.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 06, 2021, 06:37:55 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.
Is he a DM? - I thought he was a more attacking MF?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2021, 06:39:10 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.

take a bow son !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 06:48:12 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.
Is he a DM? - I thought he was a more attacking MF?

Likes to get forward and his physicality allows him to do so. Certainly for Portugal he’s CM/DM. I’d look to make him into a Kante type. He’s faster and stronger than Kante to my eyes but not as switched on to spot danger.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2021, 06:55:05 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.

I would have thought Deano would be too busy to post on here.
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Post by: andyh on August 06, 2021, 07:02:35 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
That is some feckin shout.

Lukejames - head scout ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 06, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
That is some feckin shout.

Lukejames - head scout ?
Unless Bailey turns into Bosko Balaban this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
In terms of the DM position, i’d take Renato Sanches 100%. There is an absolute diamond of a player there. Still needs some work doing but Deano has shown he can improve a player. He’s apparently available from Lille as well.
Is he a DM? - I thought he was a more attacking MF?

Likes to get forward and his physicality allows him to do so. Certainly for Portugal he’s CM/DM. I’d look to make him into a Kante type. He’s faster and stronger than Kante to my eyes but not as switched on to spot danger.

I'd be ok with Renato Sanchez, not quite the player we could do with but has almost everything you'd want to be able to develop into it and he has pace and a serious engine on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 07:14:28 PM
Read somewhere Everton are trying to shift on James Rodriguez who must be on massive wages as he signed on a free. That would be a good signing for 2-3 years while the kids develop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2021, 07:17:30 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
That is some feckin shout.

Lukejames - head scout ?

Its probably the only of my shouts that have come off in 37 years. I am absolutely buzzing for this one though, superb player.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
That is some feckin shout.

Lukejames - head scout ?
Unless Bailey turns into Bosko Balaban this season.

or Sasa Curcic
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 07:36:14 PM
The £30m odd that Chelsea would want for Barkley needs to be spent on a proper quality winger. Leon Bailey please.
second post on this thread.
That is some feckin shout.

Lukejames - head scout ?
Unless Bailey turns into Bosko Balaban this season.

or Sasa Curcic

I remember at the time being really excited that we’d signed Curcic. What a let down.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 06, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
What curcic lakes in ability he makes up with in insanity, I spent about 2 hours discussing him with some Serbian nutters at a festival in Novi Sad about 8 years ago.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
He didn't lack any ability. He retired from football in order to concentrate on sex. Any one of us would do the same. That's why I didn't make it as a pro, in fact. The only reason.
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Post by: danno on August 06, 2021, 07:54:38 PM
I think I saw one his few good games, a 2-0 home win against Leeds in 1997. He played on the right and caused havoc. Went home thinking we had a new hero.
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Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2021, 08:34:41 PM
He didn't lack any ability. He retired from football in order to concentrate on sex. Any one of us would do the same. That's why I didn't make it as a pro, in fact. The only reason.

And you retired to Ealing.
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Post by: Risso on August 06, 2021, 08:35:31 PM
He didn't lack any ability. He retired from football in order to concentrate on sex. Any one of us would do the same. That's why I didn't make it as a pro, in fact. The only reason.

I'm almost as bad at the latter as I am the former.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 08:37:12 PM
I'm as prolific as Keinan Davis in each.
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Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2021, 08:47:19 PM
I won’t be troubling the Golden Boot engraver either.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2021, 08:47:45 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2021, 08:49:35 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 06, 2021, 09:02:46 PM
What curcic lakes in ability he makes up with in insanity, I spent about 2 hours discussing him with some Serbian nutters at a festival in Novi Sad about 8 years ago.
Haha, I talked about Sasa Curcic and Savo with random Serbs at the same festival, albeit a few years before (2006 and 2007).  Did you meet the dodgy giant blonde police dude at the gates on the Sunday?  It was weird, he tried to sell us illicit substances both years & didn't seem to understand why we might be a little reticent to do any such transactions with, you know, the actual police.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 06, 2021, 09:37:25 PM
I'm sure after this, you will all want to sign Cantwell (or stick a cigar in your eyes)

https://twitter.com/avfcgabe/status/1422906888031768577?s=19
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2021, 09:40:30 PM
Jesus wept, just as I thought I couldn't hate football any more.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 06, 2021, 09:42:15 PM
Jesus wept, just as I thought I couldn't hate football any more.

I thought he was the most punchable footballer in his first season at Norwich
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Post by: danno on August 06, 2021, 09:44:14 PM
I feel like I've been rick rolled.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2021, 09:44:38 PM
I think I saw one his few good games, a 2-0 home win against Leeds in 1997. He played on the right and caused havoc. Went home thinking we had a new hero.

Yeah remember that one. He cut them to pieces. Brilliant performance.
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Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 09:46:06 PM
The last thing we need is another circus arriving in town when we’ve just got rid of one.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2021, 09:49:22 PM
I couldn't imagine Ron Saunders putting up with any of that sort of shit.  'Son, you've just signed for Aston Villa, go and get your hair cut and stop being a knob'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2021, 09:52:18 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2021, 09:57:43 PM
I'm sure after this, you will all want to sign Cantwell (or stick a cigar in your eyes)

https://twitter.com/avfcgabe/status/1422906888031768577?s=19


errr sorry for my ignorance , what does that mean ??
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Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
I’d much rather we signed Damsgaard than Cantwell.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2021, 10:06:42 PM
Damsgaard although not brilliant attacking stats, did have impressive pressing stats etc.

Still think Van Der Beek is worth a shot, was brilliant at Ajax and not given a sniff at United
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Post by: OCD on August 06, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
Take him on loan with an option to buy.

Newcastle are now meant to be front runners for Tuanzebe. Should make CD happy!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
Take him on loan with an option to buy.

Newcastle are now meant to be front runners for Tuanzebe. Should make CD happy!

I've got a cabbage ready to throw if that deal falls through. Don't let me down Potato Head! I'd imagine that would be better for him as he'd have a better chance of starting.
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Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 10:10:57 PM
Damsgaard although not brilliant attacking stats, did have impressive pressing stats etc.

Still think Van Der Beek is worth a shot, was brilliant at Ajax and not given a sniff at United

I don’t think he really set the world alight in his first season in italy (just fine). But he looks like he’s got a bit of magic in him and is young enough to develop. I don’t know anything about Van Der Beek.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2021, 10:14:36 PM
Van der Beek is a good choice, he was great in that Ajax side that had the good CL run, as was Ziyech who doesnt seem to have too much pitch time at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 06, 2021, 10:26:23 PM
I think I saw one his few good games, a 2-0 home win against Leeds in 1997. He played on the right and caused havoc. Went home thinking we had a new hero.

Yeah remember that one. He cut them to pieces. Brilliant performance.

I think that he and Yorke tore them apart but knocked off at half-time and it ended 2-2
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 10:38:13 PM
It was 1996,  and it was 2-0. He was brilliant against them again the midweek after when we knocked them out of the League Cup at Elland Road, and had the most blatant penalty I've ever seen turned down. We beat them four times that year, including the League Cup Final. He was pretty much always shite after those two Leeds games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2021, 10:45:26 PM
That Savo goal against them in the league cup final is one of my all time favourite villa goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DB on August 06, 2021, 11:16:34 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chap on August 06, 2021, 11:33:34 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 06, 2021, 11:58:49 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 11:59:46 PM
How did he stay awake during games?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2021, 05:24:25 AM
I'd love us to get Maddison, it would more than make up for Grealish leaving and he could be the final piece. Wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2021, 05:46:26 AM
&t=147s




Interesting podcast
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2021, 06:06:42 AM
What are the highlights? How reliable?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 07:14:54 AM
Not much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2021, 08:55:47 AM
What are the highlights? How reliable?

Didn’t listen to all of it but the journalist said that Villa can be added to Leicester and Atalanta as the best run clubs in Europe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kipeye on August 07, 2021, 10:33:40 AM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."
All I got was assists...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 07, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
I have something in common with Gary Shaw in that I have had more women than I have scored goals for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 07, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
Explains Heskey. He was probably worried about what the wife would say.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 07, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."
Would have been even more if he hadn’t been turned down by my sister in Bel Air.
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Post by: AGRIPPA on August 07, 2021, 11:26:23 AM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?
[/quotlets




"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.

Let’s be honest there was always plenty knocking round in the Cork & Bottle back in the day….
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: old man villa fan on August 07, 2021, 02:05:53 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.

Wasn't he being eyed up by one of the big European clubs at the time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2021, 02:09:01 PM
In Peter Withe's autobiography he said that when Gary Shaw was helping him coaching the Villa kids several years back he got annoyed with Shaw for being more interested in chatting up the kid's mother's on the touchline. ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2021, 02:11:53 PM
Sounds like we should have had Gary around to knock some sense into Sasa Curcic. "Listen mate - you can have both - sex and football immorality".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2021, 02:23:37 PM
No move for Cantwell this window apparently. Just as I'd started to come around to him. Ah well, good luck to and Norwich, would've been a bit uncomfortably Cityish to just following money at him and Buendìa in the same window.

I hope we are looking at another creative player though. Really like our acquisitions so far, but I still think we're a bit short of options.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 02:25:49 PM
No move for Cantwell this window apparently. Just as I'd started to come around to him. Ah well, good luck to and Norwich, would've been a bit uncomfortably Cityish to just following money at him and Buendìa in the same window.

I hope we are looking at another creative player though. Really like our acquisitions so far, but I still think we're a bit short of options.

Couldn't agree more. Think we are a centre back, centre mid and creative player light still, but I guess Watkins playing left will happen a fair bit this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2021, 02:30:50 PM
*throw money, I meant for the record. But I agree OzzJ, we currently have pace, work, finishing, unpredictability, but for me we lack a bit of technique, invention, and tempo. Cantwell, Aouar etc, there are players there who would definitely remedy this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 02:35:54 PM
Aouar for me would be a big statement. I just think we need a bit of a statement signing still in a creative area. Ziyech going to get much game time at Chelsea? Tempo is the big thing, being able to put our foot on the ball, pick the right pass, slow and speed things up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 07, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
The signing we really need to make:

A strong defensive player. One who sits in front of the back 4 and breaks up play with proper tackles/interceptions - someone who is strong, combative, good in the air, with plenty of stamina  BUT tackles cleanly and reads the game well.

Step forward Ezri Konsa's midfield doppelganger.
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Post by: danno on August 07, 2021, 03:39:45 PM
I thought Okay Yokuslu really looked at home in the premier league the few times I saw him last season. We're probably aiming higher but he looked a good defensive midfielder if the price is right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2021, 03:43:01 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.

You don't. Ellis tried to sell him to Barcelona but that was it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2021, 03:43:18 PM
I thought Okay Yokuslu really looked at home in the premier league the few times I saw him last season. We're probably aiming higher but he looked a good defensive midfielder if the price is right.

We can't be replacing Marvelous with Okay.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
Very good.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2021, 03:47:15 PM
Very good.

Who does he play for?
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 07, 2021, 04:02:59 PM
The signing we really need to make:

A strong defensive player. One who sits in front of the back 4 and breaks up play with proper tackles/interceptions - someone who is strong, combative, good in the air, with plenty of stamina  BUT tackles cleanly and reads the game well.

Step forward Ezri Konsa's midfield doppelganger.

Still think Thomas Delaney would be a shrewd signing in that kind of role and seems Dortmund are willing to sell.  Might be a bit older, but plenty of international and Champions League experience.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 07, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Seeing as we need a left sided attacker and agreeing that a statement signing would be nice, then hearing that Barca are desperate to offload Coutinho.. Could he be a realistic target? Maybe on loan..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2021, 04:22:23 PM
Seeing as we need a left sided attacker and agreeing that a statement signing would be nice, then hearing that Barca are desperate to offload Coutinho.. Could he be a realistic target? Maybe on loan..
he'd have to take a massive pay cut.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
Coutinho would be an amazing signing, but he is on £450k a week, I somehow doubt we are paying that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2021, 04:51:28 PM
Nor is anyone else.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.

*Checks Barcelona squad on Wikipedia for disaffected former West Brom youth players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2021, 05:02:07 PM
Coutinho would be an amazing signing, but he is on £450k a week, I somehow doubt we are paying that.

I wonder why Barcelona are in financial difficulty.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.
that was me - flying home.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2021, 06:03:28 PM
Not that I could envision Coutinho coming off but he'd most definitely be taking a significant pay cut in his next move, to something approaching sanity (but still entirely insane). Everton are in the hunt apparently and I guess they did get James. But then I guess if Everton could pull that off, with our current clout we could too. I'm not sure he'd be on our radar though. He strikes me as a player, even on the remote chance we'd get him, might upset the balance of the squad. We want quality but with the right attitude, and perhaps we want to get out of having everything revolve around one player (and I think Coutinho would have that kind of gravitational pull here). Maybe a loan is doable. He'd be the kind of player on a permanent who'd have his eyes on the next move from day one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2021, 06:24:40 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS It’s not a proper transfer window unless someone is spotting planes. Was Randy flying it?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 07, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS It’s not a proper transfer window unless someone is spotting planes. Was Randy flying it?
it's his ex-wife - she got the Jet.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2021, 06:36:32 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.

Pedri would be nice lol
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2021, 07:31:53 PM
a private jet flew in from Barcelona to Birmingham earlier. Just saying.

For the sake of this guy's heart it'd better not be Messi signing for us.  https://twitter.com/ElChiringuitoEN/status/1423425543211524102?s=20

He's a bit more animated than Danny Murphy (with Paul Greengrass behind the camera).
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 07, 2021, 08:21:13 PM
Time to go and get Maddison now the Charity Shield is out of the way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: charlatan on August 07, 2021, 09:15:13 PM
The signing we really need to make:

A strong defensive player. One who sits in front of the back 4 and breaks up play with proper tackles/interceptions - someone who is strong, combative, good in the air, with plenty of stamina  BUT tackles cleanly and reads the game well.

Step forward Ezri Konsa's midfield doppelganger.

Still think Thomas Delaney would be a shrewd signing in that kind of role and seems Dortmund are willing to sell.  Might be a bit older, but plenty of international and Champions League experience.

Are you angling for a move Tom D?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 07, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.

You don't. Ellis tried to sell him to Barcelona but that was it.

Any proof of that??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2021, 09:44:58 PM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.

You don't. Ellis tried to sell him to Barcelona but that was it.

Any proof of that??

Tony Barton told me. When we won the Super Cup Ellis asked their president how much he'd pay.
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Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2021, 09:50:02 PM
It doesn't even need to be true, it's most Ellis thing you could think of.
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Post by: rob_bridge on August 07, 2021, 10:48:35 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2021, 10:58:24 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2021, 11:06:51 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Didn't he do this with Frank Lampard when he had already agreed to join Chelsea for around £11 mill?
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Post by: rob_bridge on August 07, 2021, 11:17:36 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Sounds about right. Probably why I get the feeling we have had this conversation before when you told me something similar about August 1995 outside VP.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2021, 11:33:01 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Didn't he do this with Frank Lampard when he had already agreed to join Chelsea for around £11 mill?
We were going to sign Bergkamp and Lampard??? That's outrageous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2021, 11:42:39 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Didn't he do this with Frank Lampard when he had already agreed to join Chelsea for around £11 mill?
We were going to sign Bergkamp and Lampard??? That's outrageous.

No we weren't but Doug liked to bid for players like that as a show of ambition before something going wrong, there are loads more names to add to that list.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2021, 11:47:25 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Didn't he do this with Frank Lampard when he had already agreed to join Chelsea for around £11 mill?
We were going to sign Bergkamp and Lampard??? That's outrageous.

No we weren't but Doug liked to bid for players like that as a show of ambition before something going wrong, there are loads more names to add to that list.
Name Names
I know we've had Robbie Keane and Joe Cole but not at their peak!
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Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2021, 11:52:11 PM
Was the Bergkamp ever likely? At the time?

He probably asked. Doug was the master of enquiring about players who would never join us, or bidding a few quid less, a few hours after, a deal was agreed.

Didn't he do this with Frank Lampard when he had already agreed to join Chelsea for around £11 mill?
We were going to sign Bergkamp and Lampard??? That's outrageous.

No we weren't but Doug liked to bid for players like that as a show of ambition before something going wrong, there are loads more names to add to that list.
Name Names
I know we've had Robbie Keane and Joe Cole but not at their peak!

Robbie Keane a decade earlier, Juninho, Christian Vieri off the top of my head but almost every summer for a while we'd be linked with a couple of top players, nothing would come of it and then there's be news come out (one way or another) that we bid well below the asking price or bid when they'd already accepted a higher one from somewhere else.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2021, 11:57:16 PM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 12:07:29 AM
Wow. Good names.

....I see Inter Milan are in a financial mess now but back in the day Gianluca Pagliuca said he nearly came to Villa

Well he claimed that in 2014 When left Inter there was a possibility might have joined Villa?
"In 1999 I was in contact with some important European clubs, like Villa, Lazio, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Mallorca.
I eventually chose Bologna because it is my home, otherwise I'd have chosen Villa without doubt."
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Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 12:19:10 AM
Wow. Good names.

....I see Inter Milan are in a financial mess now but back in the day Gianluca Pagliuca said he nearly came to Villa

Well he claimed that in 2014 When left Inter there was a possibility might have joined Villa?
"In 1999 I was in contact with some important European clubs, like Villa, Lazio, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Mallorca.
I eventually chose Bologna because it is my home, otherwise I'd have chosen Villa without doubt."

Wow. I never knew that about Gianluca Pagluica. Would make sense as we were looking for a new keeper at the time when Bosnich slopped off. We aimed for Pagluica and ended up with David James in the end. How very Villa under Ellis.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 08, 2021, 12:22:51 AM
Wow. Good names.

....I see Inter Milan are in a financial mess now but back in the day Gianluca Pagliuca said he nearly came to Villa

Well he claimed that in 2014 When left Inter there was a possibility might have joined Villa?
"In 1999 I was in contact with some important European clubs, like Villa, Lazio, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Mallorca.
I eventually chose Bologna because it is my home, otherwise I'd have chosen Villa without doubt."

Wow. I never knew that about Gianluca Pagluica. Would make sense as we were looking for a new keeper at the time when Bosnich slopped off. We aimed for Pagluica and ended up with David James in the end. How very Villa under Ellis.

And he's a Villa fan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 12:27:06 AM
Wow. Good names.

....I see Inter Milan are in a financial mess now but back in the day Gianluca Pagliuca said he nearly came to Villa

Well he claimed that in 2014 When left Inter there was a possibility might have joined Villa?
"In 1999 I was in contact with some important European clubs, like Villa, Lazio, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Mallorca.
I eventually chose Bologna because it is my home, otherwise I'd have chosen Villa without doubt."

Wow. I never knew that about Gianluca Pagluica. Would make sense as we were looking for a new keeper at the time when Bosnich slopped off. We aimed for Pagluica and ended up with David James in the end. How very Villa under Ellis.

And he's a Villa fan.

Pagluica, Bosnich, James or Doug?
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Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2021, 12:32:17 AM
Wow. Good names.

....I see Inter Milan are in a financial mess now but back in the day Gianluca Pagliuca said he nearly came to Villa

Well he claimed that in 2014 When left Inter there was a possibility might have joined Villa?
"In 1999 I was in contact with some important European clubs, like Villa, Lazio, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Mallorca.
I eventually chose Bologna because it is my home, otherwise I'd have chosen Villa without doubt."

Wow. I never knew that about Gianluca Pagluica. Would make sense as we were looking for a new keeper at the time when Bosnich slopped off. We aimed for Pagluica and ended up with David James in the end. How very Villa under Ellis.

And he's a Villa fan.

Pagluica, Bosnich, James or Doug?

Yes
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 04:32:00 AM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.

Juninho? Weren’t we after Lineker at some point also? Or am I imagining that?
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Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 06:37:39 AM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.

Juninho? Weren’t we after Lineker at some point also? Or am I imagining that?

Can’t say on Lineker but definitely Juninho. There’s an interview with John Gregory online about it in depth. Really interesting.
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Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 06:44:16 AM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.
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Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 06:48:43 AM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.
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Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2021, 07:56:09 AM
Oh, and there was David Ginola ...
aaaah; that one actually happened, well after the player had peaked.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 08, 2021, 08:16:40 AM
Wonder if we could get Brozovic from Inter?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2021, 08:34:07 AM
I saw rumours that Liverpool are looking at Watkins. Well I hope he is tied up contractually (although that seemingly means fuck all nowadays) or this time we just clearly say "not for sale"
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Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.

Juninho? Weren’t we after Lineker at some point also? Or am I imagining that?

From memory, we wanted Lineker but because of how much it would have cost, we wouldn't have been able to sign another player for two years, so Sir Graham said anyway.
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Post by: algy on August 08, 2021, 08:38:59 AM
Name Names
I know we've had Robbie Keane and Joe Cole but not at their peak!
Danny Blind was one - remember seeing it on Midlands Today around the time the Bosman rule was a new thing - so Ajax's captain (& Dutch footballer of the year) around the time they won the European Cup.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 08:46:09 AM
Gullit was another one. I think I remember reading about him flying in you sign for Chelsea and getting a call from Doug wanting to do a deal. I always thought he did it on purpose so we'd look like we were after these players.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 08:50:49 AM
I dont think talk of signing Lampard was that outrageous at the time, he was an up and coming player but didn't have anywhere near the profile he developed at Chelsea.

One of the other ones I remember was Robert Pires when he was at Metz. I think the most fanciful was Veiri, at the time he as one of the best.
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Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2021, 08:51:11 AM
Hans Krankl was another, Austrian international forward, although tbf I can't remember if Ellis was head honcho at the time.  I think Rodney Marsh was also mentioned around that time too.  I' m probably wrong on both.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 08:54:02 AM
I cant beleive David Speedie didn't play for us the amount of times we seemed close to a deal, likewise Carlton Palmer, Benni McCarthy, Andy Mutch.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2021, 08:59:16 AM
Can't see us selling Watkins.

Linked today with Raphina at PSG for a low fee of £10m, and also a striker from Bournemouth. Can't see us signing another striker unless we find a loan club for Wesley.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 08, 2021, 09:03:27 AM
Roberto Carlos
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 09:14:48 AM
I dont think talk of signing Lampard was that outrageous at the time, he was an up and coming player but didn't have anywhere near the profile he developed at Chelsea.

One of the other ones I remember was Robert Pires when he was at Metz. I think the most fanciful was Veiri, at the time he as one of the best.

I met Vieri on the top of the Empire State Building, he confirmed that he’d spoken to villa about a transfer. We then saw his girlfriend and lost the ability to speak. He’d just signed for athletico madrid and was wearing their shorts which struck me as odd.
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Post by: passport1 on August 08, 2021, 09:16:01 AM
 I suppose it was because Doug was our head Eurpean scout. I'll never forget when the announcement of that impending appointment was made in the program and we were speculating which former Europen great would be get the job. The next home game it was announced Doug had been appointed. The mind boggles.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
I dont think talk of signing Lampard was that outrageous at the time, he was an up and coming player but didn't have anywhere near the profile he developed at Chelsea.

One of the other ones I remember was Robert Pires when he was at Metz. I think the most fanciful was Veiri, at the time he as one of the best.

I met Vieri on the top of the Empire State Building, he confirmed that he’d spoken to villa about a transfer. We then saw his girlfriend and lost the ability to speak. He’d just signed for athletico madrid and was wearing their shorts which struck me as odd.

I seem to recall that Lampard left West Ham to go to Chelsea for eleven million quid and at that point in time most people thought Chelsea had gone mad to spend that amount of money on him.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 08, 2021, 10:06:40 AM
Fred Ljunberg was another before joining Arsenal.
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Post by: Nelly on August 08, 2021, 10:08:14 AM
Just thinking of names that Villa were 'in' for but no real chance of getting them. Wasn't Sheringham one? And Kluivert? I suppose MON did as much with Sniejder!
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2021, 10:10:48 AM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Can't see us selling Watkins.

Linked today with Raphina at PSG for a low fee of £10m, and also a striker from Bournemouth. Can't see us signing another striker unless we find a loan club for Wesley.

That the Danjuma links? He’s a winger
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Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 10:17:51 AM
I lost count of the times we were linked with Steve Bull and Carlton Palmer. I remember a fair few Paul Ince rumours too.
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Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2021, 10:20:16 AM
I lost count of the times we were linked with Steve Bull and Carlton Palmer. I remember a fair few Paul Ince rumours too.

Steve Bull was very close to being done apparently but it fell through right at the last minute for some reason.
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Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2021, 10:21:38 AM
A few stories floating around linking us heavily with Joaquin Correa from Lazio to add to our growing Argentinian presence. Not someone I've seen much of but looks good and can playing right across the front 4 positions but mostly on the left or as a 10 so seems to be a decent fit for what most of us think is the final potential gap in the attacking part of the squad.
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Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
I lost count of the times we were linked with Steve Bull and Carlton Palmer. I remember a fair few Paul Ince rumours too.

Steve Bull was very close to being done apparently but it fell through right at the last minute for some reason.

Not sure about us but Gordon Strachan I think said Coventry had agreed a deal and he didn't turn up for his medical.
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Post by: nigel on August 08, 2021, 10:31:29 AM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.

Van Nistelrooy mentioned later in his career that his favourite playing partner was Luc Nilis, who was with us at the time he signed for Man U.
I’ve always wondered if Doug had pushed the boat out we’d have got him.
Probably not, but, one can dream!
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Post by: thick_mike on August 08, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
Weren’t we going to sign Henrik Larsson, but it fell through when we wanted him to come and play a trial match?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2021, 10:53:00 AM
Can't see us selling Watkins.

Linked today with Raphina at PSG for a low fee of £10m, and also a striker from Bournemouth. Can't see us signing another striker unless we find a loan club for Wesley.

That the Danjuma links? He’s a winger

Yes, but the clickbait article in the Evening Mail (I should know better), has him down as a striker. Don't know much about him but second time I've seen him linked now.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 10:57:53 AM
Weren’t we going to sign Henrik Larsson, but it fell through when we wanted him to come and play a trial match?

I think that was a different player with the same name who did indeed come on trial.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
I lost count of the times we were linked with Steve Bull and Carlton Palmer. I remember a fair few Paul Ince rumours too.

Steve Bull was very close to being done apparently but it fell through right at the last minute for some reason.

Wasn't this in one of Dave Woodhall's books? From memory either Ron or SGT wanted him and had been given encouragement, after speaking to his agent we lost interest and BR/SGT was quoted as saying 'he was on more money than me and wanted a big rise to move'

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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 11:02:21 AM
Just thinking of names that Villa were 'in' for but no real chance of getting them. Wasn't Sheringham one? And Kluivert? I suppose MON did as much with Sniejder!

Sheringham was the player SGT wanted with Cascarino very much second choice, Doug couldn't get the former so bought the latter for far more than SGT thought he was worth. Apparently we had money burning a hole in our pocket as it was either spend it or pay it in Corporation Tax
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
Funny that I can remember all this from 25 years ago but not what Im going up the stairs for.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Funny that I can remember all this from 25 years ago but not what Im going up the stairs for.


and you live in a bungalow
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Post by: old man villa fan on August 08, 2021, 11:17:04 AM
Can I shoehorn the Gary Shaw quote in here plese?

Please do.

"The year we won the league I had more women than I scored goals. I scored 23 goals."

Excellent. Childhood hero of mine.
A real legend!

A proper villa man.

Would have signed for ManU but for an injury if I remember correctly.

You don't. Ellis tried to sell him to Barcelona but that was it.

Any proof of that??

Tony Barton told me. When we won the Super Cup Ellis asked their president how much he'd pay.

I vaguely remembered the talk of Shaw moving abroad but couldn't remember which club.  Thanks for confirming that there is still a semi-functioning memory in me!
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 08, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
Van Nistelrooy was another. Manchester United had a £16 million bid accepted, we then bid £15 million.

Van Nistelrooy mentioned later in his career that his favourite playing partner was Luc Nilis, who was with us at the time he signed for Man U.
I’ve always wondered if Doug had pushed the boat out we’d have got him.
Probably not, but, one can dream!

Ronaldo also claimed the same although to my knowledge he was never close to joining us..shame as he was half decent!! Although I do remember watching him grace the Villa Park turf for Brazil.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on August 08, 2021, 11:43:06 AM
Name Names
I know we've had Robbie Keane and Joe Cole but not at their peak!
Danny Blind was one - remember seeing it on Midlands Today around the time the Bosman rule was a new thing - so Ajax's captain (& Dutch footballer of the year) around the time they won the European Cup.
The decision on which almost all of Gareth Southgate's career as a defender was built.
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Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 11:57:55 AM
All gone bit quiet on incomings…
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2021, 11:58:29 AM
that's when somethings going on....
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Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
Let’s hope so as we are yet to address a lot of last years issues.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 12:08:07 PM
Club are not going to announce anything till they've finished rebranding all the Ratboy hairbands to Cantwell.
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Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Cantwell wouldnt be a good move for him or the club. All the grealish comparisons would weigh heavy.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 12:13:56 PM
Cantwell wouldnt be a good move for him or the club. All the grealish comparisons would weigh heavy.

Yep its the obvious move. As in, you'd obviously wouldn't do it if you had any sense.
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Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2021, 12:15:12 PM
All gone bit quiet on incomings…

I know, it's been at least four days since we last signed someone.
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Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2021, 12:26:17 PM
All gone bit quiet on incomings…

It got lost in all the reminiscing earlier but there were links to Joaquin Correa this morning. He's been linked to a few clubs already in the window but the suggestion is that we've jumped ahead of them all.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 12:30:39 PM
I can see us linked time and again til window closes even if Dean Smith also intimates like Purslow business I done (well maybe in attacking areas)

Too many wives ruins lives.
Make do with what we have now.
Maybe a new house keeper in form of goalie but like our business and would like to give chances to those still at the club before bringing in yet another wife.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2021, 12:33:04 PM
Villa's Spanish language Twitter feed has posted a picture of Axel* with the caption "back soon".

*I think it's him. I can't remember what he looks like.
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Post by: johnny from donny on August 08, 2021, 12:38:09 PM
I keep seeing people saying we need to get a defensive midfielder,  does anyone think that Axel Tuanzebe is being looked at for this role as I don't see him getting much game time at CB?
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Post by: andyh on August 08, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
I keep seeing people saying we need to get a defensive midfielder,  does anyone think that Axel Tuanzebe is being looked at for this role as I don't see him getting much game time at CB?
I sincerely hope not.

I’m still expecting us to land JWP towards the end of the transfer window.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 12:57:05 PM
Villa's Spanish language Twitter feed has posted a picture of Axel* with the caption "back soon".

Villa have a Spanish language Twitter feed?

Do you have a link? When I google 'Spanish', 'Villa' and 'Twitter' I just get lots of holiday rental suggestions.
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Post by: Stu on August 08, 2021, 01:03:46 PM
Tuanzebe back, just confirmed by Villa Twitter
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Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2021, 01:04:37 PM
There was a rumour doing the rounds north of the border a few weeks ago that Liverpool were after McGinn for £80m...
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Post by: johnny from donny on August 08, 2021, 01:06:33 PM
I sincerely hope not.

I’m still expecting us to land JWP towards the end of the transfer window.

I'm not sure JWP would be possible without Southampton getting someone in first, although it would be nice.
I think we'll need to have a few outgoings soon or we won't have any room to get anyone else in.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2021, 01:07:11 PM
Villa's Spanish language Twitter feed has posted a picture of Axel* with the caption "back soon".

Villa have a Spanish language Twitter feed?

Do you have a link? When I google 'Spanish', 'Villa' and 'Twitter' I just get lots of holiday rental suggestions.

https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol

No idea whether it's official or just a saddo mirroring the official account.
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Post by: berneboy on August 08, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
Tuanzebe is officially in on a one year loan.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 08, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
Tuanzebe back, just confirmed by Villa Twitter

Saw that. No surprise but a bit nonplussed by it, really. Anyway, good luck Axel.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
Villa's Spanish language Twitter feed has posted a picture of Axel* with the caption "back soon".

Villa have a Spanish language Twitter feed?

Do you have a link? When I google 'Spanish', 'Villa' and 'Twitter' I just get lots of holiday rental suggestions.

https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol

No idea whether it's official or just a saddo mirroring the official account.

Cheers. If it's official who'll look after it now that Jack's gone?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
Villa's Spanish language Twitter feed has posted a picture of Axel* with the caption "back soon".

Villa have a Spanish language Twitter feed?

Do you have a link? When I google 'Spanish', 'Villa' and 'Twitter' I just get lots of holiday rental suggestions.

https://twitter.com/AVFC_espanol

No idea whether it's official or just a saddo mirroring the official account.

Cheers. If it's official who'll look after it now that Jack's gone?

McGiniesta looks like a good bet.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Tuanzebe back, just confirmed by Villa Twitter

It was only tweeted 10 mins ago and already liked by Mings and more interestingly Freddie Guilbert.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 01:18:00 PM
Are we seeking to take advantage of the Inter Milan sue fire sale shame Villa weren't on to this earlier and got after players as now it's too late and had pre season not a good ide idea to disrupt the squad but Ashley Young could have brought a few players along with him.
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Post by: jwarry on August 08, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Nice big strong DM and I think we are done this year unless a marquee unexpectedly comes on the radar
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 08, 2021, 01:25:10 PM
Are we seeking to take advantage of the Inter Milan sue fire sale shame Villa weren't on to this earlier and got after players as now it's too late and had pre season not a good ide idea to disrupt the squad but Ashley Young could have brought a few players along with him.

Lukaku at 97.5m is hardly a fire sale though, is it.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
Are we seeking to take advantage of the Inter Milan sue fire sale shame Villa weren't on to this earlier and got after players as now it's too late and had pre season not a good ide idea to disrupt the squad but Ashley Young could have brought a few players along with him.

Lukaku at 97.5m is hardly a fire sale though, is it.

Sorry I don't really know the means of the words but thought it was they are hot to sell all their players ? Like a fire and have to get out no?
Lautaro Martinez is off to Spurs.
Would love Barella here
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 08, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
There was a rumour doing the rounds north of the border a few weeks ago that Liverpool were after McGinn for £80m...

I like you John but at that price I’ll drive you there myself.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2021, 01:40:27 PM
Are we seeking to take advantage of the Inter Milan sue fire sale shame Villa weren't on to this earlier and got after players as now it's too late and had pre season not a good ide idea to disrupt the squad but Ashley Young could have brought a few players along with him.

Lukaku at 97.5m is hardly a fire sale though, is it.


Chelsea are ridiculous , 
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 01:59:12 PM
Are we seeking to take advantage of the Inter Milan sue fire sale shame Villa weren't on to this earlier and got after players as now it's too late and had pre season not a good ide idea to disrupt the squad but Ashley Young could have brought a few players along with him.

Lukaku at 97.5m is hardly a fire sale though, is it.

makes the Ings deal look a steel by comparison.  I’m amazed City or Chelsea didn’t buy him, even if he was just keeping the position warm until Halaand is available next summer.
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Post by: OCD on August 08, 2021, 02:24:12 PM
Lukaku's only a year younger than Ings but costing £70m more.
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Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 02:56:27 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Lukaku's only a year younger than Ings but costing £70m more.

He’s not a flashy signing though and that’s what Chelsea want. Ings would have done in terms of goals all that Lukaku is probably going to do in that side.
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Post by: Dave on August 08, 2021, 03:06:42 PM
Fred Ljunberg was another before joining Arsenal.

Think that one was a bit different though, in that we actually had agreed to sign him before Arsenal came in later, with him then picking them over us.
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Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 08, 2021, 03:10:36 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.

I remember that vividly - it also had the unveiling of the blue away kit featuring  Muller as the sponsor (AST were soon to take over) and Dean Saunders was wearing it (he never did in a first team game as he left for Turkey that Summer. )
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Post by: Monty on August 08, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
I love our new boy Danny, but Lukaku is proper world class.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 04:31:29 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.


Instead of Les Ferdinand we got Savo. Prior to that instead of David Speedie in the '87 March transfer window
we got Warren Aspinall.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 08, 2021, 04:38:52 PM
Just remembering David Geddes.

Looked the least like a decent footballer but actually was quite good.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 08, 2021, 04:41:24 PM
Just remembering David Geddes.

Looked the least like a decent footballer but actually was quite good.
For a minute I thought he was the lead singer of Bread, but that was David Gates
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.


Instead of Les Ferdinand we got Savo. Prior to that instead of David Speedie in the '87 March transfer window
we got Warren Aspinall.

I’m sure there was serious talk of us signing Speedie just before he went to Liverpool in 91 as well. That time we ended up with Gary Penrice.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 08, 2021, 04:58:35 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.


Instead of Les Ferdinand we got Savo. Prior to that instead of David Speedie in the '87 March transfer window
we got Warren Aspinall.

I’m sure there was serious talk of us signing Speedie just before he went to Liverpool in 91 as well. That time we ended up with Gary Penrice.

It was during the Venglos season. In a couple of days we sold Paul Birch and didn't buy David Speedie.
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Post by: CT on August 08, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Big Ron scouring strikers at the 1994 World Cup.

We got John Fashanu.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2021, 05:06:56 PM
Big Ron scouring strikers at the 1994 World Cup.

We got John Fashanu.

and Lamptey ? the african Pele
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2021, 05:09:08 PM
Big Ron scouring strikers at the 1994 World Cup.

We got John Fashanu.

and Lamptey ? the african Pele
and Phil King
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Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 05:29:45 PM
Big Ron scouring strikers at the 1994 World Cup.

We got John Fashanu.

At the World Cup but must have been watching repeats of Gladiators when the idea of signing Fashanu came to him.
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Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2021, 05:36:36 PM
I love our new boy Danny, but Lukaku is proper world class.
When Lukaku and Benteke hit the scene I was convinced one of them would be become actual world class, I got it wrong it seems.
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Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 05:44:05 PM
Me too - my former colleague and I would often have that argument. Lukaku was at the Baggies at the time. I was unconvinced, saying he was a poacher who could hold the ball up but little else whereas Benteke could come short and run with the ball to make his own chances as well as finish them. Amazing how their respective careers have gone.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 08, 2021, 05:45:39 PM
Nice big strong DM and I think we are done this year unless a marquee unexpectedly comes on the radar

Agree, you’d think we’d have a bit of money in the kitty considering we’re currently approx £10-£20m in profit depending which figures you’ve seen for incomings and outgoings so we should look to sign the absolute best we can get even if it’s for £50m plus.
Said it before but I’d love Bellingham.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 05:50:19 PM
I love our new boy Danny, but Lukaku is proper world class.
When Lukaku and Benteke hit the scene I was convinced one of them would be become actual world class, I got it wrong it seems.

I still maintain that Benteke was the better player but Lukaku wanted it more.  Benteke was broken after the Liverpool move failed whereas Lukaku fails, takes it in his stride and bounces back.
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Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2021, 05:52:52 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.


Instead of Les Ferdinand we got Savo. Prior to that instead of David Speedie in the '87 March transfer window
we got Warren Aspinall.

And had we have bought Ferdinand we wouldn't have had much left to strengthen elsewhere, so it probably worked out best for everyone. He was a bloody good player though.
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Post by: steamer on August 08, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Can not knock the transfer activity to date
Hope we are looking for a DM who will break up play and find a Villa player with his pass.
Axel then in the scale of things would not bother me.
Seen in isolation as the sum of of our ambition I would be very pissed off, but he is not and I am OK with it.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
Think we are short of a left footed wide attacking player and a central midfielder ready to put pressure immediatly on current first choices.

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Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
I think we are done with incoming transfers
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Post by: Big Ming on August 08, 2021, 06:13:13 PM
If is written that both we and the Arse and interested in Anguissa from Fulham who was left out of their squad today.

Midfield powerhouse, it is said.
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Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2021, 06:16:18 PM
I love our new boy Danny, but Lukaku is proper world class.
When Lukaku and Benteke hit the scene I was convinced one of them would be become actual world class, I got it wrong it seems.

I still maintain that Benteke was the better player but Lukaku wanted it more.  Benteke was broken after the Liverpool move failed whereas Lukaku fails, takes it in his stride and bounces back.

Yep, think you have that right. Attitude makes a massive difference, also the love of the fans makes another. If Benteke had the same relationship with the Liverpool fans it could have been very different, or if he stayed with us a while longer.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 06:16:49 PM
I think we are done with incoming transfers

I hope not.  We were weak in the middle of midfield last year and haven’t strengthened at all.  Add in Luiz being at the olympics, Sanson injured, and no known player coming through I think it is a big risk not to sign a new DMC.

Arguably one player here will improve us more than three attracting players as the attackers were pretty decent last year anyway.
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Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
Juninho was at Villa Park, but the deal fell apart over money. Les Ferdinand too. And who can forget David Speedie.

I think Les Ferdinand was close but he decided to go to Newcastle in the end. Imagine Ferdinand and Yorke up front that season.

Does anyone remember the deliberately fake David Platt story on Shoot Magazine? Proper trolling.


Yesssss - was discussing this recently and trying to trace back the year they did that. Was a proper full on few page spread on his re signing. Think it was 1994 Ish

It was an April Fools prank in 1995. Front page dedicated to Platt coming back to the Villa. As a 10 year old, I fell for it hook, line and sinker. Excitedly bought it from the newsagents and showed my Dad (a Gooner) who looked bemused as there'd been no mention of it in the press.

Same. Bought it and read it with a lot of excitement. Then, there was a tiny bit at the back of the magazine that announced it was an April fools prank. Was not happy. I can’t remember if Platt was actually involved in the stunt. It was like a teenage football version of Ghostwatch.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2021, 06:43:42 PM
We have essentially not spent a penny, and still have 2 positions, a holding and a wide left midfielder, that need strengthening. If we are done this window, it would look like we have papered over ratty going and that's it. Not sure it's a show of ambition. I'd be very disappointed if there is not at least 1 more certain starter coming in.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 08, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
I'd be astounded if that was it.
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Post by: Monty on August 08, 2021, 06:48:10 PM
I'd be astounded if that was it.

Yeah, -£10m net spend in the year FFP doesn't apply? Can't see it.
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Post by: DB on August 08, 2021, 06:49:06 PM
1 more big one I reckon
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Post by: Rigadon on August 08, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
I'd be astounded if that was it.

I’d be worried. And might even post my feelings in the appropriate H&V thread.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2021, 07:16:56 PM
I still reckon it’s JWP. The interest is real. We’ve just hired a set piece specialist coach. And on the evidence of today nobody can take a good corner or free kick. That’s got to have been frustrating for the manager to watch such wastefulness. Southampton will want to buy someone first I imagine but I think we will get him by the deadline.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
I still reckon it’s JWP. The interest is real. We’ve just hired a set piece specialist coach. And on the evidence of today nobody can take a good corner or free kick. That’s got to have been frustrating for the manager to watch such wastefulness. Southampton will want to buy someone first I imagine but I think we will get him by the deadline.

I paid close attention to a drill yesterday where AEG, Connor and AY were taking free kicks past not one but two walls, the standard was immense with more going in than missed. MAybe reinforces the view that AEG struggles to bring training form into games
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 08, 2021, 07:39:13 PM
The Rafinha links still lurk, and Cantwell keeps rearing his ponytailed head, I think we are far from done.
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Post by: john e on August 08, 2021, 07:41:24 PM
Genuine question here

What position does JWP play ?
is he defensive or attacking mid
or something else

where do people see him fitting in the Villa team, who’s position is under threat


Edit - I know all about the set piece stuff just wondering about the rest
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 07:45:57 PM
I think he plays a similar role to Kante where he isnt the deepest lying midfielder out of posession but tries to win it higher up the field and then pass simply, which is why his stats are so good, when they have the ball he makes himself available and moves it on simply, a bit like Westwood used to do for us.

Good player, but no from me at £40-50m
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Post by: LeonW on August 08, 2021, 07:49:26 PM
Genuine question here

What position does JWP play ?
is he defensive or attacking mid
or something else

where do people see him fitting in the Villa team, who’s position is under threat


Edit - I know all about the set piece stuff just wondering about the rest

I think Southampton had him as right wing back against us in their home game. I think his pressing stats are quite good and everyone knows about his set pieces. Not sure how he’d work at Villa. Would most likely break our transfer record to sign him.
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Post by: danno on August 08, 2021, 07:52:18 PM
Genuine question here

What position does JWP play ?
is he defensive or attacking mid
or something else

where do people see him fitting in the Villa team, who’s position is under threat

Central midfielder John. Not a specialist attacking midfielder and not a purely defensive midfielder. So think Gary Speed from his time at Newcastle, but right footed.

Very hard working, a good teammate who drops in and covers for others if their caught in possession, smart and very rarely caught out of position himself. Gets about 6/7 goals a season. Can take a good corner.

Can play right back, right wing, or wing back, but has been a central midfielder for a good few years now.

He'd play next to McGinn, so from today it would be Nakamba missing out.
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Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2021, 08:00:32 PM
Sounds like gareth barry.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 08:02:33 PM
I still reckon it’s JWP. The interest is real. We’ve just hired a set piece specialist coach. And on the evidence of today nobody can take a good corner or free kick. That’s got to have been frustrating for the manager to watch such wastefulness. Southampton will want to buy someone first I imagine but I think we will get him by the deadline.

This is my gut feeling too and would be happy with that if that's all we get. We have a decent collection of MFs now so would rather see how they get on and where we're at in 6-12 months.
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Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2021, 08:03:43 PM
I still reckon it’s JWP. The interest is real. We’ve just hired a set piece specialist coach. And on the evidence of today nobody can take a good corner or free kick. That’s got to have been frustrating for the manager to watch such wastefulness. Southampton will want to buy someone first I imagine but I think we will get him by the deadline.

This is my gut feeling too and would be happy with that if that's all we get. We have a decent collection of MFs now so would rather see how they get on and where we're at in 6-12 months.

He’s been the one I have wanted all summer. He’s a hell of a player and would suit us so well.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 08, 2021, 08:07:39 PM
People are mentioning our need for a left winger, isn’t that Bailey?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
At some stage have to say it's enough now .
If we get one more that's 6 or more players in is quite an upheaval.
Maybe a GK but comes a time have to just make do.
I for one won't frequent this transfer window baloney unless anything official.
Have to trust our current squad .
Several I like gone and upgraded but it's not good practice to make sweeping changes to the team and squad yet again

Think we can go ok with these now
.up the Villa.

See you in the next window
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Post by: Risso on August 08, 2021, 08:24:30 PM
Well we've made two offers for Ward-Prowse if rumours are to be believed, so we must be after another central midfielder, as we haven't bought somebody else instead of him.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2021, 08:25:29 PM
I think one more, maybe and a 'keeper. JWP I think is dead and they probably wanted him in before the ratboy sale. Southampton will want stupid money now I think, plus Ings won't have pleased them.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 08:29:37 PM
I think he plays a similar role to Kante where he isnt the deepest lying midfielder out of posession but tries to win it higher up the field and then pass simply, which is why his stats are so good, when they have the ball he makes himself available and moves it on simply, a bit like Westwood used to do for us.

Good player, but no from me at £40-50m

He’s not like Kante from what I understand.  His pressing is high up the pitch, more like an Duracell Barkley.  Also fills in as right back. But his main strength is energy rather than Kante’s ability to occupy the centre of the pitch and break up play.
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Post by: danno on August 08, 2021, 08:42:33 PM
Re: Ward-Prowse
Quote
His energy in midfield means he can play in a two, through being able to get up and down the pitch to keep up with play. He is also suited to Hasenhüttl’s pressing game, supporting the front four’s press and getting himself into a position to pounce on any passes into midfield if the opposition manage to beat the first line of Southampton’s press. His reading of the game and anticipation means he is suited to that role, following up the press and ready to sweep up passes that are misplaced as a result of the pressure their attackers put on defenders. He is consistently among the very best in the Premier League for recoveries – the total number of times a player regains possession – largely due to the fact he is so regularly in the right place at the right time to collect a loose ball.
https://www.coachesvoice.com/james-ward-prowse-southampton-ralph-hasenhuttl/

So yeah, what Dante said.
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Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 09:01:46 PM
Well we've made two offers for Ward-Prowse if rumours are to be believed, so we must be after another central midfielder, as we haven't bought somebody else instead of him.

And we bid twice for Emile Smith-Rowe. Was Bailey the Plan B there?
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Post by: stubbsyandy on August 08, 2021, 09:21:43 PM
I think Ward Prowse will happen later this month, in the meantime I have great hopes that Doug is going to really step up this season
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Post by: john e on August 08, 2021, 09:28:19 PM
Thanks for your response to my question

Seems to be a bit of an all-rounder Jack of all trades
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Post by: Ads on August 08, 2021, 09:30:01 PM
If you're playing 442, he is exactly what you need.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 08, 2021, 09:32:38 PM
If you're playing 442, he is exactly what you need.

I agree, if we're not going to get a brute in there, then two players that will cover ground and press all game is imperative, McGinn and JWP will not give anybody a second on the ball.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
If we go 442, John McGinn is going to have to stop giving the ball away.  JWP is a decent passer of the ball though and will keep the tempo going, which was missing today when we were 442.  When we switched the formation in the second half, we moved the ball much quicker and caused the opposition many more issues. 

I read somewhere that Fulham left Anguissa out of their match-day squad.  We had been linked to him I think.
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Post by: OCD on August 08, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
Sanson is very much that type of midfielder too. He'll cover a lot of ground, press high and look to pick up any loose passes as part of a fast breakaway. He's been unlucky with injuries but it would be good to see what he can do once he's up to speed.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 09:47:59 PM
If you're playing 442, he is exactly what you need.

I personally think you need three of this type.  From what I’ve read Buendia is hard working so might do the job (with bailey as the flyer on the left wing).
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Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2021, 09:50:33 PM
Still want a creator.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2021, 10:18:29 PM
I would think Buendia and Bailey are that.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2021, 10:24:48 PM
The Rafinha links still lurk, and Cantwell keeps rearing his ponytailed head, I think we are far from done.

Rafinha is a really good player, would be a great signing for the sub £10m that is being touted. Cantwell I like, but not for more than £25m when we can get him for nothing in 12 months.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2021, 10:32:04 PM
I think Norwich have an additional years option on Cantwell‘s contract, so technically it’s two years I believe.
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Post by: Des Little on August 08, 2021, 10:36:07 PM
Obviously we will have known Cantwell’s contract situ, yet by all accounts we made enquiries, which as everyone knows doesn’t happen unless an indication has been given by ‘sources’ close to the player inviting them. Could it be then, that we’re playing the long game? Maybe some form of deal in principle to take him next year?
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Cantwell we are 100% keen on. It’s gone quiet cause they are asking for stupid money so looking at other options
Imo we will sign a GK and two midfielders before windows over
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2021, 11:13:48 PM
Hope that’s true Vinnie.
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Post by: danno on August 08, 2021, 11:15:05 PM
Cantwell we are 100% keen on. It’s gone quiet cause they are asking for stupid money so looking at other options
Imo we will sign a GK and two midfielders before windows over

Do you expect a few departures, Hourihane, Wesley, Guilbert etc ?
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 11:16:36 PM
I think he plays a similar role to Kante where he isnt the deepest lying midfielder out of posession but tries to win it higher up the field and then pass simply, which is why his stats are so good, when they have the ball he makes himself available and moves it on simply, a bit like Westwood used to do for us.

Good player, but no from me at £40-50m

He’s not like Kante from what I understand.  His pressing is high up the pitch, more like an Duracell Barkley.  Also fills in as right back. But his main strength is energy rather than Kante’s ability to occupy the centre of the pitch and break up play.

Well the way Kante played under Sarri, not so much a defensive midfielder as a presser with a free role. Always thought Nakamba might have been good at that
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2021, 11:26:05 PM
Cantwell we are 100% keen on. It’s gone quiet cause they are asking for stupid money so looking at other options
Imo we will sign a GK and two midfielders before windows over

Don't understand where he'd play.

Will be some bench next year at least, as I've said before let's hope DS uses it effectively and also rotates enough when required.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Still think Brookes might be a better bet than Cantwell, and looking abroad a better bet than both.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2021, 11:54:17 PM
Cantwell would play left side as he had for Norwich. None of our options are really left sided at the moment, and El Ghazi is just not good enough in his all round game to create.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2021, 11:56:31 PM
Cantwell would/will be brilliant for us. Be nice if he signs for us then gets in the England team ahead of Quisling.
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 12:03:38 AM
Assuming we’ve already spent the JG money, as a thought, what do people think about keeping this summer’s budget for next summer? If we were to get into Europe, having that money to spend may open even more doors than spending it now? I.e. a double budget. Not sure myself but interested to see what people think.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 12:07:18 AM
No thanks, we only finished eleventh. We need to spend money to replace Grealish just to stand still. We need to spend more to move forward.
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Post by: OCD on August 09, 2021, 12:10:18 AM
Seems that £100m is put in every year. People are taking a view that we've spent £90m but it's really £104m when you add Sanson (we've stated that we look at the summer as the main time that we'll operate but there was an opportunity to get Sanson in significantly cheaper than we were previously being quoted). Now we have an extra £100m that we hadn't planned for that's available for investment and FFP isn't going to be an issue for the foreseeable unless we go nuts, which is unlikely.

I can see us being a lot more flexible with shapes and formations this season. We will be able to change the personnel to suit the formation that we're going to use for a given opponent. That would mean that players who would have previously gone unused will also get game time this season.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 09, 2021, 12:19:03 AM
Cantwell we are 100% keen on. It’s gone quiet cause they are asking for stupid money so looking at other options
Imo we will sign a GK and two midfielders before windows over

Do you expect a few departures, Hourihane, Wesley, Guilbert etc ?

100% for first two. Freddy could happen based on him wanting to play (plus now we have axel/Konsa who can cover RB)
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 12:49:11 AM
No thanks, we only finished eleventh. We need to spend money to replace Grealish just to stand still. We need to spend more to move forward.

True, but on the last 10 year average, 55 points (which we got to finish 11th last season) would have got you a 8th place spot (53.1). 7th was 57.1 and 6th was 60.8 so we were alot closer to a European place than our final position suggested. I’d say we have replaced JG with the players we’ve already bought and possibly upgraded in terms of the threat bring spread out I.e. it will no longer be a case of you stop Grealish you stop Villa.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 12:54:09 AM
I hope so. But even if we had finished seventh or eighth and kept Grealish, I'd have expected the investment to continue. The Board have ambitions to be top four and, eventually, title contenders and that, generally, doesn't come cheap.
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
I hope so. But even if we had finished seventh or eighth and kept Grealish, I'd have expected the investment to continue. The Board have ambitions to be top four and, eventually, title contenders and that, generally, doesn't come cheap.

Sorry; that should have read ‘replace JG in theory’ from me. It would be near impossible to replace him as an individual.

What I wouldn’t want us to do is to end up where Everton are where they’re now having to shift players and sign free transfers to rebuild again because they’re bloated.
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 01:40:18 AM
I hope so. But even if we had finished seventh or eighth and kept Grealish, I'd have expected the investment to continue. The Board have ambitions to be top four and, eventually, title contenders and that, generally, doesn't come cheap.

Sorry; that should have read ‘replace JG in theory’ from me. It would be near impossible to replace him as an individual.

What I wouldn’t want us to do is to end up where Everton are where they’re now having to shift players and sign free transfers to rebuild again because they’re bloated.

Plus we’ve been in over drive recruiting all these youngsters. I like to see us start to bring them through.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2021, 06:15:52 AM
I’d like us to sign Connor Gallagher
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Post by: mike on August 09, 2021, 06:53:58 AM
Thanks for your response to my question

Seems to be a bit of an all-rounder Jack of all trades


Mind your language, please.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 06:56:19 AM
I’d like us to sign Connor Gallagher

I quite liked the look of him but then I saw a lot of negative comments about him on the WBA forum. Headless chicken was mentioned although that could be the usual "slag off the player who's not staying" vibe
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Post by: sid1964 on August 09, 2021, 06:59:55 AM
Connor Gallagher - has he not gone to Palace on loan?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 07:02:00 AM
yep. Obviously rated. I was just surprised how negative the Baggies fans were about him.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2021, 07:52:37 AM
didn't realise he'd gone there.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 09, 2021, 07:55:38 AM
I think we are still looking a lil light in cm.

Ramsey i think hasnt shown much to be deemed as player that we can rely on right now ( i thjnk a loan tk championship will benefit him)

Sanson injured a lot.

Leaving luiz McGinn chuk and nakamba.

We dont know if conor will be sold or kept.

Think we need a tank in cm as all our cm are smallish types
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Ramsey either needs 25 starts in a row so we can see what he can (or cant) do - we can't afford to carry him if he's not good enough so a loan move may make sense
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Post by: Smithy on August 09, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
Had a weird dream last night, I'm blaming cheese, but still, it was interesting watching Wes chatting to Messi over a burger, and explaining that the reason so many people consider Maradona the best player of all time is because he joined a team in Napoli that wasn't threatening to win the league, not considered one of the 'top' teams, and that him turning them into league champions is what made him 'the best there has ever been'.  Then Messi agreed to join the Villa on a three-year deal to win the Champions League.

Anyway, if it happens, I'm putting it here as evidence I have 'the gift'.
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Post by: Vegas on August 09, 2021, 08:16:15 AM
I agree, we are light in CM.

While individually I’m quite happy with each of our signings, I’m a  little concerned at the moment that it doesn’t quite add up to as much as it seems.

Watkins was an undoubted success last year, and Ings is the predator forward we haven’t had for a while. But how do they play together? I think two up to leave us too short elsewhere. Rotating Watkins and Ings can’t be the plan. Pushing Watkins wide might make sense, but we’ve bought Buendia and Bailey for there, and I’d like to continue with Traore.

In CM whether you call it a 6 or an 8, we’re one if not 2 bodies short, and I’d say while Nakamaba and Luiz (and arguably even mcGinn) aren’t bad, they’re probably the weakest 2 players in our starting XI now.

I actually really like the signings of Young and Tuanzebe. We are worse off at GK cover if Emi misses any game time.

So we’ve lost a world class player albeit a rat, replaced him with 3 quality players that probably can’t all play at the same time, and are still weak in CM. I think that’s marginally worse than our first team last year, unless / until we add a power house CM signing.


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Post by: robbo1874 on August 09, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
I hope so. But even if we had finished seventh or eighth and kept Grealish, I'd have expected the investment to continue. The Board have ambitions to be top four and, eventually, title contenders and that, generally, doesn't come cheap.
you can only buy and integrate so many players each season. Improvement needs to be gradual and sustainable, I think. Leicester were pretty much a one off when they went from relegation fodder to Champions. Now whosits gone we can probably afford to be more patient.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 08:22:13 AM
Whatever way you look at it, its going to be a bit iffy to start with in midfield due to ratboy's late departure and circumstances. Buendia, Trez and Sanson not playing. Luiz? Bailey work permit. oh well
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Post by: robbo1874 on August 09, 2021, 08:25:28 AM
I think we are still looking a lil light in cm.

Ramsey i think hasnt shown much to be deemed as player that we can rely on right now ( i thjnk a loan tk championship will benefit him)

Sanson injured a lot.

Leaving luiz McGinn chuk and nakamba.

We dont know if conor will be sold or kept.

Think we need a tank in cm as all our cm are smallish types

I thought Ramsey looked calm and assured and quite technically gifted (as you’d expect) while he was feeling his way into the side and the league last season. I think we will be able to rely on him this season if an extended run in the team becomes necessary.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2021, 08:26:13 AM
I’d like us to sign Connor Gallagher

I always thought he was a bit of a lump
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 08:38:48 AM
I hope so. But even if we had finished seventh or eighth and kept Grealish, I'd have expected the investment to continue. The Board have ambitions to be top four and, eventually, title contenders and that, generally, doesn't come cheap.
you can only buy and integrate so many players each season. Improvement needs to be gradual and sustainable, I think. Leicester were pretty much a one off when they went from relegation fodder to Champions. Now whosits gone we can probably afford to be more patient.

We can't. What happens if someone is after Martinez next season, or Konsa? How do we hold onto Chukwuemeka in a few years time if he is a regular in the England squad? If this summer has shown anything it's that you need to be competing at the top to keep your players, we need to be there sooner rather than later or we will keep losing players and being back to square one. The likes of Leon Bailey seem the sort of signings that top clubs make. More please.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 08:46:16 AM
I think we are a Top DM away from a squad that can push towards Top 6.
It will be short sighted if we do not fix this problem position.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
I think we are a Top DM away from a squad that can push towards Top 6.
It will be short sighted if we do not fix this problem position.
if we can keep players fit we can challenge for europe
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 09, 2021, 08:54:22 AM
I think we are a Top DM away from a squad that can push towards Top 6.
It will be short sighted if we do not fix this problem position.

I agree i mean luiz is the other option but god knows when he is back. I think we need to get one in. But a big mofo. Something different to what we have
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
Whatever way you look at it, its going to be a bit iffy to start with in midfield due to ratboy's late departure and circumstances. Buendia, Trez and Sanson not playing. Luiz? Bailey work permit. oh well
Jacks late departure is a bit of a red herring.  From the stories out now it seems we knew for quite some time he would be going.  The timing of his departure was dictated as much by us as by City / Jack.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 09:29:48 AM
Whatever way you look at it, its going to be a bit iffy to start with in midfield due to ratboy's late departure and circumstances. Buendia, Trez and Sanson not playing. Luiz? Bailey work permit. oh well
Jacks late departure is a bit of a red herring.  From the stories out now it seems we knew for quite some time he would be going.  The timing of his departure was dictated as much by us as by City / Jack.
yeah that's what i meant by circumstances. Buendia being crocked. bailey with the work permit and maybe being the back-up target to Rowe.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
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Post by: itbrvilla on August 09, 2021, 09:39:29 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 09:44:54 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.

The sitting in front of the defence in Dean's 4-2-3-1 formation doesn't really suit either of their games, and has the biggest negative impact on McGinn. Signing somebody like JWP makes perfect sense, but will probably relegate SJM to the subs bench.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
We definitely need someone in the middle.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 09:49:57 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.


The sitting in front of the defence in Dean's 4-2-3-1 formation doesn't really suit either of their games, and has the biggest negative impact on McGinn. Signing somebody like JWP makes perfect sense, but will probably relegate SJM to the subs bench.
Southamptons enforcer is Romeu, so I am not sure that JWP solves the problem.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
Martinez*
Steer
Cash
Targett
Konsa
Tuenzebe
Mings
Hause
Young
McGinn*
Buendia*
Bailey*
Watkins
Ings
Luiz*
Nakamba*
El Ghazi*
Sanson*
Traore*
Wesley*
Davis
Trez*

*foreign players
Possibly Not given squad numbers/sold/loaned

Guilbert
Hourihane

I make that room for 3 players. (Not sure if players like Bogarde are classed as youth or foreign)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
McGinn is technically "foreign", in that he isn't eligible for home grown status.

Bogarde would be a youth player, their nationality doesn't matter as they effectively don't count against a squad of 25.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 09:58:54 AM
ah right
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 09, 2021, 10:02:38 AM
Whatever way you look at it, its going to be a bit iffy to start with in midfield due to ratboy's late departure and circumstances. Buendia, Trez and Sanson not playing. Luiz? Bailey work permit. oh well
Jacks late departure is a bit of a red herring.  From the stories out now it seems we knew for quite some time he would be going.  The timing of his departure was dictated as much by us as by City / Jack.

Agree, There's nothing better to stop £100 million burning a hole in your pocket than to announce you have £100 million burning a hole in your pocket.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 09, 2021, 10:19:00 AM
Being linked with hermaso cb from athletico madrid for 30m. Dont know too much about him but cant see it if we have signed tuanzebe on loan
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 09, 2021, 10:20:08 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.


The sitting in front of the defence in Dean's 4-2-3-1 formation doesn't really suit either of their games, and has the biggest negative impact on McGinn. Signing somebody like JWP makes perfect sense, but will probably relegate SJM to the subs bench.
Southamptons enforcer is Romeu, so I am not sure that JWP solves the problem.
When I saw Saints on TV last year Romeu and JWP worked as a pair.In an England pre Euros game JWP played the same dual pivot role.He is so effective at interceptions that he gets ignored in favour of the more obvious physical DCMs.and his passing is quick and precise.Very similar to Jorginho but he has that extra talent at set pieces.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 10:21:54 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.


The sitting in front of the defence in Dean's 4-2-3-1 formation doesn't really suit either of their games, and has the biggest negative impact on McGinn. Signing somebody like JWP makes perfect sense, but will probably relegate SJM to the subs bench.
Southamptons enforcer is Romeu, so I am not sure that JWP solves the problem.
When I saw Saints on TV last year Romeu and JWP worked as a pair.In an England pre Euros game JWP played the same dual pivot role.He is so effective at interceptions that he gets ignored in favour of the more obvious physical DCMs.and his passing is quick and precise.Very similar to Jorginho but he has that extra talent at set pieces.
i like him and he would improve us.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
Just can't see Southampton allowing us to asset strip them further. My feeling is we bid for JWP, got rebuffed and then thought" what about Ings?"
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 10:25:51 AM
I think we were interested in both, but that Southampton only needed to sell one to make ends meet and so, sensibly, sold the one whose contract had nearly expired.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 09, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
JWP isnt coming. If they sell him they will be in massive trouble.

Im sure we have other options
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Post by: john2710 on August 09, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
One of the things Leicester have done well over the past few seasons is to bring players into the squad now, with the intention of them being squad players for the first season. They then become first team players in the second season. It gives the players time to settle, particularly if they are from overseas. If they show that they are ready for the first team early, then you can play them but your not forced to play them.  For example, Luis could have done with 6-12 months to develop before being thrown into the first team.

It also means that you can begin to protect yourself if the bigger teams come in for your star players by having ready made replacements.

The same goes for the U23 players, get them out on loan, bring them back into the squad & then develop them into first team players.

It won't work in every case, but I'm sure this is what we are building towards over the next 1-2 seasons.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 10:47:50 AM
I like the signings, but if you'd asked at the start of the window whether Grealish out, Bailey, Ings, Buendia and Young in would have been enough, I'd have said no.

Forgot about Tuanzebe. Still no, though.

We need something more in the middle.
you're spot on. Despite how highly we rate Mcaginn and Luiz we are often powder puff in the middle of the park.

Agree.

Much as I like McGinn, I would sell him and / or Luiz if decent offers came in. They are among our more saleable assets, but neither really fit the system Smith has been using, or would fit well in a 4-4-2 if that is how we will set up now we have Ings.

We have a superb defence and a potentially top 4 attack but that will be wasted if we don't have the right balance in midfield. in midfield we have a bunch of reasonably good players that can all play in a midfield three, but only Nakamba that is much good in the system we play. McGinn is becoming a square peg in a round hole, and being asked to play in a position that does suit his natural game.

If we offloaded McGinn, Luiz and Connor we would have wages and squad numbers freed up and maybe another £60m in the bank to spend along with the Jack cash. We could then get a couple of more combative midfielders that can operate as a two, with Nakamba and Sanson backing them up.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 10:56:07 AM
There's no way we're going to sell McGinn and Luiz, they're both good players who need utilising properly. In addition, that would be far too high a turnover of players in one season.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
I think Luiz is going to get stonger and stronger, we saw flashes of it last year although he showed the kind if inconsistancy you'd expect from someone with so few games under his belt.

He'd be among the last players I'd sell.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 09, 2021, 11:01:11 AM
Being linked with hermaso cb from athletico madrid for 30m. Dont know too much about him but cant see it if we have signed tuanzebe on loan

Very odd story. Apart from the where would he play/who's being sold? aspect, he seems to be very much in their plans if google has correctly translated their panic after he ended up in hospital a week back.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
There's no way we're going to sell McGinn and Luiz, they're both good players who need utilising properly. In addition, that would be far too high a turnover of players in one season.

I am just looking at the new signings and can't see how they play in a two without us getting walked through. Of course he may stick with a three and have Ings or Watkins on the bench, in which case it works.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 09, 2021, 11:06:27 AM
Is Luiz our player proper now? If he has a very good season can Man City invoke some release clause still?
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Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 11:07:08 AM
Is Luiz our player proper now? If he has a very good season can Man City invoke some release clause still?

No, that ship has now sailed.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
There's no way we're going to sell McGinn and Luiz, they're both good players who need utilising properly. In addition, that would be far too high a turnover of players in one season.

I am just looking at the new signings and can't see how they play in a two without us getting walked through. Of course he may stick with a three and have Ings or Watkins on the bench, in which case it works.

I really do think that Watkins can play wider right of Ings, and lose none of his attacking threat.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 09, 2021, 11:28:35 AM
Is Luiz our player proper now? If he has a very good season can Man City invoke some release clause still?

No, that ship has now sailed.

Good.  I now want him to be the best midfielder in the country so we can get another £100 odd million off you know who next season and for him then to revert back to one half decent game every 5 games.
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Post by: placeforparks on August 09, 2021, 11:33:59 AM
There's no way we're going to sell McGinn and Luiz, they're both good players who need utilising properly. In addition, that would be far too high a turnover of players in one season.

I am just looking at the new signings and can't see how they play in a two without us getting walked through. Of course he may stick with a three and have Ings or Watkins on the bench, in which case it works.

I really do think that Watkins can play wider right of Ings, and lose none of his attacking threat.

that's where he played for brentford under smith, when maupay was their sole striker.

i suppose the challenge could be that watkins has bloomed in the sole striker role over the past 2 seasons, and has got himself into the england squad. he may be unhappy to switch back into that wide role.
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Post by: Smithy on August 09, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
There's no way we're going to sell McGinn and Luiz, they're both good players who need utilising properly. In addition, that would be far too high a turnover of players in one season.

I am just looking at the new signings and can't see how they play in a two without us getting walked through. Of course he may stick with a three and have Ings or Watkins on the bench, in which case it works.

I really do think that Watkins can play wider right of Ings, and lose none of his attacking threat.

One of the pluses of having a player playing wide who has spent a lot of time playing centrally, is that when the play develops on the opposite flank, they will ALWAYS get into a central position in the hope of a chance.  That's not always the case with pure 'wingers' or attacking midfielders.  The downside of that is them not always holding position if we lose the ball, but one thing I'm absolutely not worried about with Ollie is him putting in a shift when it's needed.

I really like the idea of a fluid front three, and whether it's Ings or Ollie occupying the 'central' role in that three, they could all equally be the one finishing off a move.  I'm not saying Liverpool is the model to follow, but they have a front three it's not easy to pin down who is left/right/centre when they'll all playing a moving.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 11:42:42 AM
Except Sala is on the right and Mane drifts in from the left with Firminio central and deeper.
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Post by: robbo1874 on August 09, 2021, 11:49:12 AM
I did want a big hard bastard DM in, still do really. But if we don’t get one, Nakamba’s decent enough this season. I go more on what I see than stats and his stats were very good last season. From what I saw he’ll be fine I reckon.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 11:50:32 AM
I really don't think that Nakamba is decent enough though. I think if he played regularly his flaws would be massively exposed.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2021, 11:55:42 AM
I think Luiz is going to get stonger and stronger, we saw flashes of it last year although he showed the kind if inconsistancy you'd expect from someone with so few games under his belt.

He'd be among the last players I'd sell.
Agreed.  A lot of us thought he would become an exceptional player.  Half a pretty average season doesn't really change that view for me.  I'd like to see him play more box to box, but we are pretty crowded in that position. 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2021, 12:03:58 PM
I really don't think that Nakamba is decent enough though. I think if he played regularly his flaws would be massively exposed.

Agree. He’s too careless with the ball.
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Post by: malckennedy on August 09, 2021, 12:04:05 PM
Agree with the positive comments on Luiz. He’s still very young and destined to be a genuine star. I also think Nakamba will surprise some people who have written him off this season.

Once everyone, including Sanson and all the new signings, are fit and available there is little doubt that we have a far stronger squad than last season. I’d expect a strong challenge for top 6.
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Post by: Ads on August 09, 2021, 12:09:45 PM
I hope we keep pushing for JWP. The writing looks on the wall for them anyway and I'd imagine he'd be keen to leave.
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Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 12:31:35 PM
I hope we keep pushing for JWP. The writing looks on the wall for them anyway and I'd imagine he'd be keen to leave.

A forward line of Adams and Armstrong looks proper Championship.
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Post by: frank black on August 09, 2021, 12:48:52 PM
I really don't think that Nakamba is decent enough though. I think if he played regularly his flaws would be massively exposed.

Personally I’ve seen enough to see that he’s adjusted his game to cut out the passes he shouldn’t make. He’ll have a good season
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on August 09, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
I really underestimated Idrissa Gueye when he was here, when he was surrounded by better players his ability became evident. I think the same is possible with Marvelous...I’m keen to see him in our better team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Marvellous is the best tackler we have in there
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Post by: Pat Mustard on August 09, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
I'm a bit torn on Marvellous.  We were clearly a lot stronger with him in the team towards the end of last season, and with an extended run of games I think his distribution would improve and he would cut out some of the errors he has made in the past. 

On the other hand, I look at our squad now and think that with a proper high level DM in place we start to threaten the top 6.  We have serious competition in every position now (we could name a second XI now that is considerably stronger than the first team of just 18 months ago), but we are just missing that absolute beast in the middle of the park.  It's unrealistic, but if we could sign Renato Sanches we would be a danger to everyone.
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Post by: manic-road on August 09, 2021, 01:14:10 PM
Marvellous is the best tackler we have in there

Yes at the end of last season against Spurs and Chelsea I thought he was outstanding.
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Post by: KRS on August 09, 2021, 01:20:40 PM
We can only really go off what we have seen on the pitch so far rather than speculate on players improving, and I wouldn’t like us to be reliant upon Nakamba and Luiz for the whole season as they are both error prone (mainly mistimed challenges/fouls and misplaced passes just outside our box). SJM can also be found guilty of this, so I’d rather we used him further up the pitch where he is most effective. I would love us to sign a really statement player in that position as it will only strengthen the spine of the team and improve us.

Also, referring to a post a few pages back…there’s no way we should be looking to offload our Scottish and Brazilian international midfielders. They both have a part to play in our team and will be integral to the squad.
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Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2021, 01:25:09 PM
I really don't think that Nakamba is decent enough though. I think if he played regularly his flaws would be massively exposed.

Personally I’ve seen enough to see that he’s adjusted his game to cut out the passes he shouldn’t make. He’ll have a good season

My worry with Nakamba isn't the sloppy passing, that was always something we could coach out of him. What worries me is that he can't read the game anything like well enough. Watch the full game of one his appearances for us and count how many times he's caught out of position as a team breaks on us and he has to rely on his pace and energy to even get close to doing his job. Coming in for a few games here and there it's fine but I don't think you can sustain what he does, in a league like ours, for a long run in the team.

It's a lot like when we signed Yacouba Sylla, he looked great when he arrived because he was a bundle of energy pressing the ball and disrupting teams but he couldn't sustain it and then didn't have the technical ability or game knowledge to fall back on. Nakamba is a much better player but still has similar problems. I'd keep him and I'd fine ways to use his natural aggression to help us but I wouldn't rely on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 09, 2021, 01:32:13 PM
Twitter has us linked to Cheick Doucouré. ( RC Lens ). Anybody know much about him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
Twitter has us linked to Cheick Doucouré. ( RC Lens ). Anybody know much about him?

0.7 goals and assists (each) per game according to a graphic I saw on Twitter. Sign him up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2021, 01:50:25 PM
In 2018, RC Lens picked up Doucouré for an undisclosed fee, giving him his debut in the same season, aged 19. His capability of playing as a central defender, but more prominently as a ball-winning holding midfielder, soon made him a mainstay in the Lens side.

Fast-forward two years and you’ll see a mature 21-year-old central midfielder operating in a double-pivot in a 3-4-1-2 formation, under the tutelage of manager Franck Haise. With most of the eyes on rising star Facundo Medina at the back, Doucouré may often go under-appreciated, but the Malian’s performances have been nothing short of fantastic.

If I had to pick out a particular defining display for Doucouré, it would have to be that outstanding show against Montpellier at the tail end of January. It began with a small ounce of fortune: a ricochet that allowed the ball to sit up on the half volley around twenty-five yards out. I’ll confidently say that what happened next was one of the cleanest strikes you’ll ever see.

So rarely do you see a player hit the ball so low and so clean, driven with the force of an Apollo rocket. No hesitation. No backlift. Bottom corner. Dimitry Bertaud in the Montpellier goal should be inducted into the hall of fame for even getting within a touching distance of that strike. Of course, this is all exaggerated, but Doucouré’s overall performance was sublime.

The assist for Lens’ second goal had more of a Sergio Busquets – Lionel Messi air to it, but the sharp control, the flicked, outside of the foot pass inside; Doucouré does the basics perfectly. It’s easy to measure the tangibles: four tackles, six interceptions in that Montpellier game, for example. But unless you dive deep into more passive statistics, you rarely see how effective a player like he can be.

In Haise’s 3-4-1-2 shape, Doucouré has regularly found himself paired with Ivorian and former Manchester City academy graduate Seko Fofana. The 25-year-old didn’t play a game for City, spending two years on loan at Fulham and French side Bastia. Now at Lens after four years in Italy, he has joined Doucouré to form an effective presence in midfield for Haise’s side.

Doucouré is certainly more proactive defensively than Fofana, making almost double the ball recoveries per 90 (9.35 v 5.85), but the way they are both so adaptable to their team’s shape is what makes the Lens machine work so well. A great example of this is in the wingbacks.


By comparing the defensive action areas of both Doucouré and Fofana, you get a greater idea of the responsibilities either midfielder has, both defensively and going forward. To add context to these graphics, Lens’ right wingback is Jonathan Clauss. Clauss is not only third in ball progressions of any full-back/wingback per 90 in Ligue 1 (3.18), he also attempts more crosses than any other player in the French top-flight (5.83 per 90).

Consequently, there is space left behind for the opposition to exploit in transition. This is where you get an idea of the sheer quantity of work Doucouré gets through on the pitch. As you can see, the majority of his defensive actions come in the central areas, where, in the absence of Clauss during a counter-attack, he drops into the back three to make it a back four, allowing the right central-defender (usually Jonathan Gradit) to fill in as an auxiliary right-back.

Looking at the average position’s in Haise’s 3-4-1-2, you see that Gradit (RWB) is dragged wider and that space opens up for Doucouré (RCM) to cover. This is not only a testament to Doucouré’s incredible work-rate and concentration but also Haise for maximising his team’s attacking output by playing to the strengths of the central midfielders.

Lens were 2nd in Ligue 2 before the 2019/20 season abruptly ended due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and whilst last season’s Ligue 2 champions Lorient are currently hovering above the relegation zone after an impressive run of form under manager Christophe Pélissier, Sang et Or currently sit sixth in the table, despite the fact that star striker Ignatius Ganago has had his season curtailed with various injuries. Crucial to their form has been Doucouré, who at 21 is emerging as one of the finest box-to-box midfielders in France.

Haise’s system is effective and every player is important to it working. Fofana shifts onto the left-hand side to support Issiaga Sylla whilst Doucouré covers the bombarding runs of Clauss. It’s a fine-tuned, team effort. However, Doucouré should still be recognised as a crucial cog, allowing Lens to function at full capacity.

If there’s a stylistic summary for you to take away from this article, let it be this: Cheick Doucouré works incredibly hard, covering large areas of the pitch in both a defensive and attacking sense, but he’s also both technically and mentally very acute.

His concentration and defensive awareness to proactively disrupt the opposition and retain possession in a simple but highly effective manner make him an incredibly underrated talent emerging from France. He can also test the goalkeeper with well-struck curling efforts, as Bertaud, Anthony Lopes and Denis Petrić have found out in recent weeks. Keep an eye on him, and Lens as the season progresses.

By: Tom Quartly Breaking the Lines
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
Twitter has us linked to Cheick Doucouré. ( RC Lens ). Anybody know much about him?

0.7 goals and assists (each) per game according to a graphic I saw on Twitter. Sign him up.

Gonna be a bummer if we lose a lot of games 2-1.4
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 01:58:09 PM

If there’s a stylistic summary for you to take away from this article, let it be this: Cheick Doucouré works incredibly hard, covering large areas of the pitch in both a defensive and attacking sense, but he’s also both technically and mentally very acute.

His concentration and defensive awareness to proactively disrupt the opposition and retain possession in a simple but highly effective manner make him an incredibly underrated talent emerging from France. He can also test the goalkeeper with well-struck curling efforts, as Bertaud, Anthony Lopes and Denis Petrić have found out in recent weeks. Keep an eye on him, and Lens as the season progresses.

By: Tom Quartly Breaking the Lines

Sounds like just what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 01:59:05 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on August 09, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
If we’re going for the DCM with the right attributes then we need a cross of Marvelous and Dougie. If we’re looking for Prem experience and we have the money then either Bissouma or Anguissa fit the bill for me. Marvellous is a good back up nothing more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 02:06:12 PM
If we’re going for the DCM with the right attributes then we need a cross of Marvelous and Dougie. If we’re looking for Prem experience and we have the money then either Bissouma or Anguissa fit the bill for me. Marvellous is a good back up nothing more.

Bellingham has Championship experience. Him and Pape Sarr would do the trick (yes I know it is not very likely).

Bissouma is brilliant, also like Anguissa and though he is not at the same level he would do the job we need.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on August 09, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
if we could get Bellingham then yes but it’s unlikely at the moment. Anguissa stats last season were on a par with Bissouma so don’t see him as necessarily worse but I think you’re right Bissouma does seem to have that little bit extra on the “eye” test.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 09, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D
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Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2021, 02:32:18 PM
Argentina's Gary Shaw...keeps dragging on. Get him in and give Messi something to think about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2021, 02:32:19 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D

I have a mate who is a nose and knows the family and there is as much chance of ratboy joining the Blues as there is of Bellingham joining us - he is and always be a died in the bloser
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2021, 02:44:10 PM
Poor misguided child.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2021, 02:46:51 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D

I have a mate who is a nose and knows the family and there is as much chance of ratboy joining the Blues as there is of Bellingham joining us - he is and always be a died in the bloser


And yet didnt even get to adulthood before fookin off
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D

I have a mate who is a nose and knows the family and there is as much chance of ratboy joining the Blues as there is of Bellingham joining us - he is and always be a died in the bloser

Ratboy did go to Blues. ;-)
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Post by: King Cropley on August 09, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
Really don't get the attraction towards Anguissa. The (admittedly) few times I've seen him, he's had virtually no effect on the game and seemed frankly disinterested. As the games I've seen him in represent a fairly small sample size I checked out the Fulham fans forums and most people seem to be of a similar mind. At the prices bandied about, thanks but no thanks....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on August 09, 2021, 03:34:10 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D

I have a mate who is a nose and knows the family and there is as much chance of ratboy joining the Blues as there is of Bellingham joining us - he is and always be a died in the bloser

I seem to recall Ian Rush, Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman and Jamie Carragher were all blue
but it didn't stop any of them playing plenty of games for Liverpool.

It also didn't stop Blake and Hopkins playing for Villa until we shipped them out for not being good enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2021, 04:05:29 PM
The thing with Bellingham is that he is already at a great club and playing Champions League.  He knows if he bides his time then one of the (current) top 4 will come for him soon enough.

It's a shame as it would be a great signing, but as John said about Maddison etc, the main reason he won't be here next season is the same reason Grealish won't be.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 04:45:08 PM
I’m still really interested to see Sanson. We were obviously really keen to get him in. Might take awhile to settle in/get up to speed. Veretout has blossomed elsewhere. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Gueye turned out to be very good. Might be patience required here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 04:48:52 PM
Apparently we're interested in Cheick Doucouré at Lens? Does anyone who watches more Ligue 1 than I do know anything about him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 09, 2021, 04:51:22 PM
Apparently we're interested in Cheick Doucouré at Lens? Does anyone who watches more Ligue 1 than I do know anything about him?

Go back two pages, and there's a really in depth article posted by Drum.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 09, 2021, 04:51:38 PM
Apparently we're interested in Cheick Doucouré at Lens? Does anyone who watches more Ligue 1 than I do know anything about him?

Drummond has a long ass post about him a few hours ago. A copied and pasted article that is pretty detailed.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 04:53:21 PM
Wow yeah just read it. Well, sounds exactly like what we need.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 09, 2021, 04:58:02 PM
Apparently we're interested in Cheick Doucouré at Lens? Does anyone who watches more Ligue 1 than I do know anything about him?

Where did you see that?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 09, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
Birmingham Mail, on a lifted click bait style cut and paste job from MadeUpTransfer.com. 
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 05:05:34 PM
On the big news aggregator, there's a journo in France who claims we, Atalanta and the Arse are interested.
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Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2021, 05:10:05 PM
There's a fair few places reporting it, including some in French. Not sure if it's all coming from 1 place though. I can see the sense it. At that age he'd be more acceptable of being a rotation option you'd think. He looks like the sort of player we need but I think Pape Sarr looks a better prospect.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 05:23:50 PM
I still think we're down on creativity. If we really have 'replaced' Grealish then that gets us 11th - solid but not inspiring. We have the dosh and the FFP leeway this year, there's no reason not to push on now.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 05:29:27 PM
I still think we're down on creativity. If we really have 'replaced' Grealish then that gets us 11th - solid but not inspiring. We have the dosh and the FFP leeway this year, there's no reason not to push on now.

But we've added Buendia and Bailey? Neither of whom might be as individually creative as Ratboy, but Bailey is much quicker, and Buendia is a better passer of the ball. With everybody fit and in form, you'd think that neither Traore or El Ghazi will be starting many games this season, which automatically means we've improved I reckon.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 05:33:07 PM
One of them would be in for Grealish and one in for Barkley. So if you want Traore to be demoted to the bench we would still need another. Hence the links with Cantwell, presumably. Still I won't be devastated to see Traore starting, he's brilliant.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 05:34:34 PM
If their overall contributions match Grealish's by himself then that's pretty good in terms of replacement (although I'd expect them to have more goals - never Grealish's strong point). In terms of being actually stronger, though, I think we'd need to replace that tempo, the ball retention, the creativity in and around the centre. The thought of putting Ings in at effectively no. 10 is, to my mind, a bit shit.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2021, 05:35:56 PM
I still think we're down on creativity. If we really have 'replaced' Grealish then that gets us 11th - solid but not inspiring. We have the dosh and the FFP leeway this year, there's no reason not to push on now.

I think we have significantly upgraded our creativity through not being so one dimensional. We have been a one man team for most of the last three years. We should in time be able to attack and score from even more options. We took a step forward last year and while losing Jack is never easy to overcome we will be better positioned that I hope our performances don't drop to the levels they did after Christmas.
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Post by: Risso on August 09, 2021, 05:45:39 PM
I still think we're down on creativity. If we really have 'replaced' Grealish then that gets us 11th - solid but not inspiring. We have the dosh and the FFP leeway this year, there's no reason not to push on now.

I think we have significantly upgraded our creativity through not being so one dimensional. We have been a one man team for most of the last three years. We should in time be able to attack and score from even more options. We took a step forward last year and while losing Jack is never easy to overcome we will be better positioned that I hope our performances don't drop to the levels they did after Christmas.

Completely agree. You could see in games like West Ham that when teams doubled up on him, it effectively rendered us toothless. Now if we've got more attacking intent down both wings or through the middle, overall we'll do much better. Games like the 7-2 against Liverpool with Greasy at his best were amazing, but more routine wins against the likes of Southampton, West Ham, Brighton and Leeds etc will see us further up the table.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2021, 05:48:54 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 05:50:16 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.

That's how I feel. Still one player down.
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Post by: OCD on August 09, 2021, 05:54:43 PM
One of them would be in for Grealish and one in for Barkley. So if you want Traore to be demoted to the bench we would still need another. Hence the links with Cantwell, presumably. Still I won't be devastated to see Traore starting, he's brilliant.

Who's dropping to the bench out of Watkins and Ings then?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 05:58:51 PM
I confess I'd forgotten about that. My choice would be keep the same formation and have Watkins and Ings battling it out for the spot. You can bring one of them on with half an hour to go and play two up front if you're chasing a goal.

If we want to play both at once from the start then I'm more enamored of the idea of playing Watkins out wide than trying Ings behind Watkins. Watkins works ridiculously hard so I think he could make it work.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
Coming round to the idea of Watkins wide, with Bailey on the other side. Would be a bit of a change for Buendia though, to expect that much more from him in a central area.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 09, 2021, 06:28:06 PM
If the game at the weekend is any indication Watkins is going to be playing on the last defender with Ings dropping deeper and linking.  Two wide men, Bailey/Buendia/Traore/Bidace (whilst injuries heal).  Two deeper in midfield, McGinn/Nakamba/Ramsey/Luiz etc.  Back four as usual.
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Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2021, 06:32:09 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.

That's how I feel. Still one player down.
Yeah, I feels like we need at least one more player in.  I would like to see a midfielder that is clearly better/different than what we have.   
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Post by: Ian. on August 09, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.

That's how I feel. Still one player down.

Especially that side which stuffed Liverpool and Arsenal. On those two days Jack was just unstoppable. He ran rings around both those sides.

Maybe on average throughout the season we may have improved the overall side bearing in mind the games the opposition has cancelled out his threat, or the odd off day.

I’d really like a player like JWP who’s one of those players who never seems to have off days. He reminds me a bit of Milner, a menace and always finds his man and a very decent delivery.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2021, 06:59:47 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.

That's how I feel. Still one player down.

Especially that side which stuffed Liverpool and Arsenal. On those two days Jack was just unstoppable. He ran rings around both those sides.

Maybe on average throughout the season we may have improved the overall side bearing in mind the games the opposition has cancelled out his threat, or the odd off day.

I’d really like a player like JWP who’s one of those players who never seems to have off days. He reminds me a bit of Milner, a menace and always finds his man and a very decent delivery.

Yeah, might be too much this season but JWP and someone like Bissouma in for me,plus Cantwell who I think has the swagger to replace Joe long-term, especially if surrounded by better players.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2021, 07:00:29 PM
I suppose it could be 7 for the front 3 positions; Watkins, Ings, Buendia, Bailey, El Ghazi, Traore and Davis if we need a ‘big unit’. I’d loan Wesley out to try to get his fitness and confidence back.
If we’re looking at 7 for the midfield 3 it’s currently Nakamba, McGinn, Luiz, Sanson, Hourahane, Ramsey and Chucky which is a bit short. We should be looking to sell Hourahane and loan out 1 of Ramsey and Chucky and buy 2 ideally.
Defence is ok, but I’d feel happier with another half decent keeper.
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Post by: frank black on August 09, 2021, 07:01:49 PM
Bellingham?

Have a word with yourself.

:D

I know that’s what I thought. Jeez

Anguissa is decent
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2021, 07:06:41 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.
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Post by: villadelph on August 09, 2021, 08:16:03 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.
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Post by: Border villan on August 09, 2021, 08:42:13 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.
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Post by: not3bad on August 09, 2021, 08:44:02 PM
We have improved the without Grealish team, but I am not sure we will be as good as the with Grealish team.

That's how I feel. Still one player down.
Yeah, I feels like we need at least one more player in.  I would like to see a midfielder that is clearly better/different than what we have.   

If Jacob Ramsey kicks on as we hope and Sansom is as good as we hope I ain't so sure.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 09, 2021, 08:52:04 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.

Just a thought, at least with Jack gone the owners don’t have to listen to his advice on signings as this one didn’t quite work out did it.
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Post by: Des Little on August 09, 2021, 08:52:08 PM
I honestly think Buendia will step up and close that gap on Grealish. I’m not saying he’ll be as good, but I don’t think he’ll be a million miles off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 09:01:01 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.

Just a thought, at least with Jack gone the owners don’t have to listen to his advice on signings as this one didn’t quite work out did it.

Yes, there is that. Although I think our owners may have stopped short at Ed Sheeran.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 09, 2021, 09:03:34 PM
James Ward Prowse evens or better to sign soon.
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Post by: usav on August 09, 2021, 09:04:36 PM
James Ward Prowse evens or better to sign soon.

Source/sauce/sores?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 09, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
Sky Bet.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2021, 09:08:16 PM
I'm no expert on formations and tactics but surely someone with the assists, two footed creativity as Buendia would play the 10 / central hole position.

Put him behind Watkins   Ings   Bailey and thats enough to scare the shit out of most defences. Press, pace, power, goals

Factor in Wes / Treore / a.nother and that is a great back up.

I think this once they gel will be exciting stuff
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2021, 09:10:25 PM
James Ward Prowse evens or better to sign soon.



doesn’t that just  mean they have slot of bets on this
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Post by: OCD on August 09, 2021, 09:14:06 PM
Question is, have the odds on JWP moving dropped dramatically in a short space of time? I think when Ings signed he was something like 33-1 at the weekend and by Wednesday was odds on.

With Buendia, when I've seen highlights of him, a lot of the time he comes off the line and moves into the centre naturally. He should be fine as a 10.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on August 09, 2021, 09:15:30 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.

Just a thought, at least with Jack gone the owners don’t have to listen to his advice on signings as this one didn’t quite work out did it.

I always thought that Barkley was a signing meant solely to appease Grealish being as how they are supposedly good mates.  I have no reason other than my gut feeling on this but if there was any truth in it I found it disconcerting.  I have faith in the owners that this wasn't the case but I couldn't help but think it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2021, 09:20:39 PM
James Ward Prowse evens or better to sign soon.

He's been 1/2 on with Skybet for a few days, now 8/13.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2021, 09:23:26 PM
Rumours of a 3rd bid going in.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 09:24:16 PM
£25,000,006.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2021, 09:26:55 PM
Doesn't seem like he has a "knock" either. Reckon £45m would do it and I'd pay it if I were the Villa. Him and another midfielder and top 6 charge is on.
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Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 09:32:34 PM
I reckon they've said if we guess the right number we can have him, but they won't tell if we're higher or lower. And we get one chance per day. By fax.
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Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2021, 09:33:13 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
I reckon we'll see a lot of fluidity across the forward positions with them interchanging constantly

Oxlade-Chamberlain might be available on loan, he'd give us something a bit different to the other midfielders we have
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 09, 2021, 09:44:15 PM
I reckon they've said if we guess the right number we can have him, but they won't tell if we're higher or lower. And we get one chance per day. By fax.

I reckon it's an automated phone line and Deano's having trouble with his touch screen

"Welcome to the Southampton transfer centre"
"If you are Liverpool please press 1"
"If you are the bank manager please press 2"
"If you are a scout please press 3"
" For all Ward-Prowse enquiries please press 4"

   '4'

"Im sorry all lines are busy right now"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2021, 09:50:54 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?

Yes, that’s it. I’ll never forget him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 09, 2021, 09:53:10 PM
I reckon we'll see a lot of fluidity across the forward positions with them interchanging constantly

Oxlade-Chamberlain might be available on loan, he'd give us something a bit different to the other midfielders we have

I was under the impression he was heading back to Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
I reckon we'll see a lot of fluidity across the forward positions with them interchanging constantly

Oxlade-Chamberlain might be available on loan, he'd give us something a bit different to the other midfielders we have

I was under the impression he was heading back to Southampton.

Perfect, right where we do our shopping.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 09, 2021, 09:58:47 PM
I reckon we'll see a lot of fluidity across the forward positions with them interchanging constantly

Oxlade-Chamberlain might be available on loan, he'd give us something a bit different to the other midfielders we have

I was under the impression he was heading back to Southampton.

I heard the same.

FWIW, I witnessed the person who told me this drink a beer through his shirt once..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 09, 2021, 10:15:48 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.

Just a thought, at least with Jack gone the owners don’t have to listen to his advice on signings as this one didn’t quite work out did it.

I always thought that Barkley was a signing meant solely to appease Grealish being as how they are supposedly good mates.  I have no reason other than my gut feeling on this but if there was any truth in it I found it disconcerting.  I have faith in the owners that this wasn't the case but I couldn't help but think it.

I think the departed player had far too much of a say at villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 10:21:32 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?

Jack couldn't get in the England squad not so long ago, and still isn't first choice. JWP was very unfortunate not to get in the final Euros squad, and was superb in the last friendly.

I'd go to £40m for him, would go a long way to getting us into the European spots. I'd go quite high for Cantwell too, although would balk at the £40m that has been mooted Norwich are holding out for. We can get him far cheaper in Jan if his contract is running down though.

JWP, and spmeone like Pape Sarr or Doucoure (who both seem to be the kind of player we need) and can see us challenging for top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 10:28:46 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?

Jack couldn't get in the England squad not so long ago, and still isn't first choice. JWP was very unfortunate not to get in the final Euros squad, and was superb in the last friendly.

I'd go to £40m for him, would go a long way to getting us into the European spots. I'd go quite high for Cantwell too, although would balk at the £40m that has been mooted Norwich are holding out for. We can get him far cheaper in Jan if his contract is running down though.

JWP, and spmeone like Pape Sarr or Doucoure (who both seem to be the kind of player we need) and can see us challenging for top 6.

Without any disrespect to you intended, Ashton, what difference does it make to you whether it's £40m or £45m?! It's someone else's money!
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 09, 2021, 10:35:48 PM
Thanks SE for voicing my long held opinion. It's not my money. Spend, spend, spend, you crazy football club owning diamonds!
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 09, 2021, 10:39:10 PM
Who would be a good fit from PSG? They are organising a fire sale to cover Messi's wages.

In terms of JWP and Cantwell - the former adds energy, a good football brain and great set pieces, so a good option if we don't have to pay too much (of someone else's money).

As for Cantwell, I think he is a punt in terms of making a consistent contribution for a top half/top 6 PL side and given we now have lots of options and permutations in attacking areas, I don't see the merit in taking that punt.

Put another way, if everyone is fit, then for me Watkins, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, and Ings are all ahead of him with the prospect of JPB making an impact this season. AEG and Ashley Young are also back-up options and cover for injured attacking wide players. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 10:41:16 PM
Who would be a good fit from PSG? They are organising a fire sale to cover Messi's wages.

In terms of JWP and Cantwell - the former adds energy, a good football brain and great set pieces, so a good option if we don't have to pay too much (of someone else's money).

As for Cantwell, I think he is a punt in terms of making a consistent contribution for a top half/top 6 PL side and given we now have lots of options and permutations in attacking areas, I don't see the merit in taking that punt.

Put another way, if everyone is fit, then for me Watkins, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, and Ings are all ahead of him with the prospect of JPB making an impact this season. AEG and Ashley Young are also back-up options and cover for injured attacking wide players. UTV.

Marco Veratti, thank you please.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2021, 10:46:05 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain is supposedly going on loan to Southampton. Maybe to fill the JWP shaped hole in their team? JWP's 'knock' does seem like one of those convenient ones that tend to happen at this time of a year when a player is about to show up on someone else's door.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2021, 10:49:26 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?

Jack couldn't get in the England squad not so long ago, and still isn't first choice. JWP was very unfortunate not to get in the final Euros squad, and was superb in the last friendly.

I'd go to £40m for him, would go a long way to getting us into the European spots. I'd go quite high for Cantwell too, although would balk at the £40m that has been mooted Norwich are holding out for. We can get him far cheaper in Jan if his contract is running down though.

JWP, and spmeone like Pape Sarr or Doucoure (who both seem to be the kind of player we need) and can see us challenging for top 6.

Without any disrespect to you intended, Ashton, what difference does it make to you whether it's £40m or £45m?! It's someone else's money!

Fair point. I don't like paying too much though, my money or not. I guess I would prefer Villa to be successful but not by aping Man City and the other superleague wankers, splashing money around like a Bullingdon club member burning 50s in front of homeless people.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
I really want us to sign Ward Prowse, I just think he'd fit us really well. There may be better value elsewhere but I he seems the kind of character that would take it in his stride and hit the ground running, and having Ings and Targett here would only help in.

Feels a really good fit for us, and it's not my money.
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Post by: OCD on August 09, 2021, 10:52:48 PM
The problem is that if you show everybody that you're prepared to pay whatever someone demands, whenever we came forward for a player from that point on, they would add X% on top just because it's us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2021, 10:52:56 PM
I really want us to sign Ward Prowse, I just think he'd fit us really well. There may be better value elsewhere but I he seems the kind of character that would take it in his stride and hit the ground running, and having Ings and Targett here would only help in.

Feels a really good fit for us, and it's not my money.

Just to make it clear, I think he'd be a good fit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2021, 10:55:14 PM
Look at Buendia's defensive stats. Not only will he be great going forward and creating chances but he will also work hard when he doesn't have the ball.

I think that was definitely one of the things the club wanted to improve in that 10 position because Barkley did next to f*ck all tracking back/ball winning. Made us much easier to counter attack. In fact, Barkley did next to f*ck all full stop.

I don't think I saw him break into a sprint once.

Replace sprint with trot for accuracy.

Just a thought, at least with Jack gone the owners don’t have to listen to his advice on signings as this one didn’t quite work out did it.

I always thought that Barkley was a signing meant solely to appease Grealish being as how they are supposedly good mates.  I have no reason other than my gut feeling on this but if there was any truth in it I found it disconcerting.  I have faith in the owners that this wasn't the case but I couldn't help but think it.

It was a weak signing let's be honest. Barkley hadn't done anything consistent in years. A few games early on suggested a few of us had called it badly wrong until he regressed to the work shy to$$er he has been throughout his career. A hamstring injury that he never seemed to get over while his weight ballooned....queue of clubs looking to sign him seems very light this summer!

I sincerely hope we are long past the stage of signing utter clowns like Barkley, Drinky before him.....equivalent of Richards, Gabby, Ireland, Nzogbia and the likes. Never again
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Post by: danno on August 09, 2021, 10:57:01 PM
I think Ward-Prowse would be the perfect foil for McGinn. Bit of an odd couple but I think they'd suit each other's games.
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Post by: KRS on August 09, 2021, 10:58:39 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?
Not sure what not making it in to the Euro squad has anything to do with it? JWP was in the squad prior to the Euros, was one of the players that narrowly missed out, and Southgate was widely criticised in the media for picking more defensive options over him. Maddison also didn’t make it to the Euros so would it also be wrong to go after him for £60m+ seeing as he didn’t go to the Euros?

JWP would be a fantastic statement signing for us both on and off the pitch, so hope it’s true and he becomes a Villa player.
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Post by: Monty on August 09, 2021, 11:00:45 PM
I think we can all agree that JWP was unlucky to be left out of the England squad to satisfy Southgate's right-backs fetish.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2021, 11:03:49 PM
I think we can all agree that JWP was unlucky to be left out of the England squad to satisfy Southgate's right-backs fetish.




And yet in extreme circumstances he can play right back
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Post by: john2710 on August 09, 2021, 11:08:26 PM
JWP would be a great addition to the team. We will have a high level of movement / fluidity across the midfield & forwards. This is what we need if we want to play in the oppositions half.

I’d go to £35m & we’d get a good 5 years value for that.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2021, 11:09:13 PM
Players from overseas are better value but take longer to settle in. There's so much money in football that what a player costs is almost irrelevant - if he'll improve the team he's worth the fee. 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2021, 11:09:48 PM
JWP is excellent at leading Southampton’s press. That is something we need.
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Post by: Ian. on August 09, 2021, 11:09:58 PM
I think we can all agree that JWP was unlucky to be left out of the England squad to satisfy Southgate's right-backs fetish.




And yet in extreme circumstances he can play right back


Shhhh, don’t tell Southgate, he will certainly get selected and then be cherry picked away from us by those vultures in the camp.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
£45m for a player who can't even get in the England squad? Can't we look abroad for someone cheaper and potentially better?

Also Percy, who is Joe? Jack?

Jack couldn't get in the England squad not so long ago, and still isn't first choice. JWP was very unfortunate not to get in the final Euros squad, and was superb in the last friendly.

I'd go to £40m for him, would go a long way to getting us into the European spots. I'd go quite high for Cantwell too, although would balk at the £40m that has been mooted Norwich are holding out for. We can get him far cheaper in Jan if his contract is running down though.

JWP, and spmeone like Pape Sarr or Doucoure (who both seem to be the kind of player we need) and can see us challenging for top 6.

Without any disrespect to you intended, Ashton, what difference does it make to you whether it's £40m or £45m?! It's someone else's money!

Fair point. I don't like paying too much though, my money or not. I guess I would prefer Villa to be successful but not by aping Man City and the other superleague wankers, splashing money around like a Bullingdon club member burning 50s in front of homeless people.

I'm not sure that £5m on top of £40m fits that criterion for objection.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 11:34:56 PM
Players from overseas are better value but take longer to settle in. There's so much money in football that what a player costs is almost irrelevant - if he'll improve the team he's worth the fee.

There is FFP to consider.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 11:35:25 PM
There isn't.
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Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2021, 11:42:50 PM
There isn't.

How so?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 09, 2021, 11:48:43 PM
There isn't.

Look at what Man City are doing. If they enforced it this year there'd be no Juve, Barca, Madrid (both), Milan (both) etc etc. It's not an issue this year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2021, 11:54:28 PM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.
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Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2021, 12:00:24 AM
There isn't.

Look at what Man City are doing. If they enforced it this year there'd be no Juve, Barca, Madrid (both), Milan (both) etc etc. It's not an issue this year.

I think there is an allowance for this and last accounting period due to COVID (not sure the extent of that allowance) but for players on contracts outside of that period it will effect planning by the club. Both in domestic terms (PL) and international (UEFA) regulation. I agree that whilst Man City, PSG, etc, have seemingly got away with it (VS UEFA), others have been punished further down the food chain. Plus AC Milan were banned from Europe for a year recently and Barcelona have just had to let Messi go for nowt.
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Post by: King Cropley on August 10, 2021, 12:00:52 AM
Who would be a good fit from PSG? They are organising a fire sale to cover Messi's wages.

In terms of JWP and Cantwell - the former adds energy, a good football brain and great set pieces, so a good option if we don't have to pay too much (of someone else's money).

As for Cantwell, I think he is a punt in terms of making a consistent contribution for a top half/top 6 PL side and given we now have lots of options and permutations in attacking areas, I don't see the merit in taking that punt.

Put another way, if everyone is fit, then for me Watkins, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, and Ings are all ahead of him with the prospect of JPB making an impact this season. AEG and Ashley Young are also back-up options and cover for injured attacking wide players. UTV.


Danilo Pereira wouldn't be a bad shout from PSG.....and probably very attainable.
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Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2021, 12:06:05 AM
8/13 on both JWP and Cantwell.

That would be nice.
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Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2021, 12:08:14 AM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2021, 12:37:36 AM
I imagine Johan was scurrying to his phone to call Southampton as he watched our players blast yet another free kick over the bar or another corner looped beyond the back post. He probably also got a nasty text from our set piece coach saying “get JWP or I quit”
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 10, 2021, 12:53:43 AM
He's on 75k a week at the moment so I'm sure a cheeky 33% increase might tempt him. Give him a million every free kick goal or sutin.
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Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 10, 2021, 07:17:22 AM
JWP has not missed a minute of premier league action for two seasons.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2021, 08:36:01 AM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
really, I never knew that.
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Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2021, 08:45:10 AM
Rumours that Wes ang AEG will be shipped out.  This what we need, we must get ruthless and bring in a couple more high profile signings in their place.  It sends messages that you know who going doesn’t bother us one bit
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Post by: AV82EC on August 10, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
really, I never knew that.

Though haven’t we had to book the last 4 years of his contract in one go though? Of course realising that’s chicken feed to the payments from Citeh.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2021, 08:54:55 AM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
really, I never knew that.

Though haven’t we had to book the last 4 years of his contract in one go though? Of course realising that’s chicken feed to the payments from Citeh.
we get 100% profit on the sale in the current accounting period.
The timing of the payments are irrelevant from an FFP perspective, The profit can offset previous losses carried forward or offset future losses.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 10, 2021, 08:58:24 AM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
really, I never knew that.

Though haven’t we had to book the last 4 years of his contract in one go though? Of course realising that’s chicken feed to the payments from Citeh.
we get 100% profit on the sale in the current accounting period.
The timing of the payments are irrelevant from an FFP perspective, The profit can offset previous losses carried forward or offset future losses.
Thanks CL.
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Post by: jwarry on August 10, 2021, 09:18:02 AM
What we want and need now is:

Out:
AEG
Hourihane
Wes
Trezeguet
Davis

In:
McNeill
JWP
An ESR type as we clearly think there is a hole to fill
A big fuck off DM
A back up goalkeeper

So still plenty of work for Mr Lange to do before the 2nd September which is still over 3 weeks away
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Post by: London Villan on August 10, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
Can't see us bringing in five more now. A keeper and a high-profile midfielder - if we are lucky!
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 10, 2021, 09:22:29 AM
What we want and need now is:

Out:
AEG
Hourihane
Wes
Trezeguet
Davis

In:
McNeill
JWP
An ESR type as we clearly think there is a hole to fill
A big fuck off DM
A back up goalkeeper

So still plenty of work for Mr Lange to do before the 2nd September which is still over 3 weeks away




I'd seriously think about keeping AEG around. We don't know how Bailey will do.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2021, 09:25:17 AM
Keep AEG till winter, at least. Will take a while for Bailey to get going and Buendia and Traore have both had knocks lately. We need options on the bench as well as the team. We won't improve our squad if we desperately rush to ship people out every time we sign a new player.
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Post by: Dave on August 10, 2021, 09:29:15 AM
What we want and need now is:

Out:
AEG
Hourihane
Wes
Trezeguet
Davis

In:
McNeill
JWP
An ESR type as we clearly think there is a hole to fill
A big fuck off DM
A back up goalkeeper

So still plenty of work for Mr Lange to do before the 2nd September which is still over 3 weeks away

Why is getting rid of El Ghazi and replacing him with someone who does a great deal less in McNeil something we need?
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Post by: Villan82 on August 10, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Unlike many, many players at Villa Park down the years AEG is productive, happy to be here and has progressed with us. He's a good squad player.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 10, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Selling injured players is also tricky, Trez will be hard to shift in the next couple of weeks. 
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Post by: Monty on August 10, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
McNeil move wouldn't make sense for him, us or Burnley at this stage - we need a more obviously tempo-setting playmaker than another flyboy tricking around out wide.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 10, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
McNeil is silly money for what he is. If you want a winger and a player the average middle aged bloke in the stands can identify as "one of us"  then we should go all out for Fati at Barcelona. They're skint apparently.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2021, 10:30:34 AM
Why is getting rid of El Ghazi and replacing him with someone who does a great deal less in McNeil something we need?

Is it even possible to do less than El Ghazi? Goals and pens aside his overall contribution is limited to 5 minutes per game before he disappears again. McNeil looks like a clumsy Jack Grealish, wrong size and shape to ever be a natural. Gets things done though but not what we're looking for.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 10, 2021, 10:32:28 AM
Why is getting rid of El Ghazi and replacing him with someone who does a great deal less in McNeil something we need?

Is it even possible to do less than El Ghazi? Goals and pens aside his overall contribution is limited to 5 minutes per game before he disappears again. McNeil looks like a clumsy Jack Grealish, wrong size and shape to ever be a natural. Gets things done though but not what we're looking for.

I agree with RCF.
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Post by: Dave on August 10, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
Why is getting rid of El Ghazi and replacing him with someone who does a great deal less in McNeil something we need?

Is it even possible to do less than El Ghazi?

Not score all those goals that he scored?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2021, 10:40:52 AM
I’m not really sure you dismiss AEG’s goals and pens. They’ve been really important. As a squad player he’s very useful.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
Why is getting rid of El Ghazi and replacing him with someone who does a great deal less in McNeil something we need?

Is it even possible to do less than El Ghazi? Goals and pens aside his overall contribution is limited to 5 minutes per game before he disappears again. McNeil looks like a clumsy Jack Grealish, wrong size and shape to ever be a natural. Gets things done though but not what we're looking for.

Why would we want to set aside his most important contributions? Unless we have, at least, four fit wingers better than AEG, two for the team and two for the bench, it would be madness to let him go. Especially given that there are, ludicrously, nine subs this season.

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Post by: rob_bridge on August 10, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
Totally agree. No point getting rid of AEG.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 10, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Selling injured players is also tricky, Trez will be hard to shift in the next couple of weeks.

Think it's a long term injury so he's going nowhere.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 10, 2021, 10:55:52 AM
Put me firmly in the "why on earth would we get rid of AEG" camp too.  3rd most effective contributor last season.  If the increase in quality around him leads to an increase in output it's a win!  If not he is still a very effective squad player.
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Post by: supertom on August 10, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
It's strange to me, so many are ready to dismiss AEG, who just hit double figures from the wing, in under 30 games (many of which were from the bench). Keep him until Beundia and Bailey settle.
I don't think he's any more ineffectual in games than Traore can be. But the end product is what matters. You either buy a mercurial player who disappears from games but might produce you some magic and score 5-10. Or you get a workhouse who keeps running and effecting games but might not have the end product. Rarely the twain shall meet and if they do, they go for 40-50 probably in todays money. For example, Milner from wide for us. Great for graft, but his numbers were so so. 7/10 every game sure (when we moved him to the center he was then brilliant, indispensable) and maybe we do need that kind of option too, though if you play Ollie wide, you know he never stops.

I think we need to be focusing on back up keeper, maybe a DM and a 10 (seems like Beundia is the only one and we need competition for him). If we sell AEG we'd need to buy again, and whilst we've been excellent this window and not mucked around, that just becomes another in/out to sort.

Conversely, once Trezeguet is back. He's actually more consistent in terms of work rate, but very dependant on confidence to make any impact in attack (when he's on, he's good). I think his time is done, but we'll likely be looking at next summer to sell.

 
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Post by: john2710 on August 10, 2021, 10:58:24 AM
I think JPB coming into the first team picture may have had an influence on any decision on El Ghazi. If he's blocking JPB then maybe it's time to move him on, especially if he's already peaked. Let's get what we can for him & move on.

El Ghazi has had a impact over the last 3 seasons & there is ability there. But so much of our attacking breaks down when he gets the ball that if we want to improve we need more consistent players.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 10, 2021, 11:06:00 AM
Pointless selling AEG at the moment unless we need the money. Much better deadwood like Hourihane, Davis, gullibert  to dump first. Get rid of them and you can have your 5 new signings anyway.
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Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 11:09:24 AM
What we want and need now is:

In:
McNeill
JWP
An ESR type as we clearly think there is a hole to fill
A big fuck off DM
A back up goalkeeper

So still plenty of work for Mr Lange to do before the 2nd September which is still over 3 weeks away

You greedy sod!  You'll get a second-choice (to JWP) anchorman midfielder and you'll be happy with what you're given!
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 10, 2021, 11:09:43 AM
If we ignore his saves and cross claiming we might as well get rid of Emi 1 as he contributes very little in the final third and his tackle stats are rubbish!!

I think that if AEG is leaving it is a sign that we are confident of bringing in another left sided player.  The Wesley rumour is more interesting as the only other forward I have seen us linked with is Correa from Lazio.
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Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 11:11:43 AM
Don't forget River Plate's Gary Shaw.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 10, 2021, 11:14:27 AM
That's more who I thought may be AEG's replacement,  or Cantwell obviously!
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Post by: Clampy on August 10, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
I think I said towards the end of last season that I reckon AEG will be moved on but I'd like him to stick around to be honest. Like Elmo before him, he never moans and gets on with it.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 10, 2021, 11:24:57 AM
I never knew so many rated AEG so highly?

It will be interesting to read the reviews of how he plays this season

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Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 11:30:09 AM
I never knew so many rated AEG so highly?


Mark Kelly makes-up for that by getting on his case at every opportunity  ;)
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Post by: supertom on August 10, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
I never knew so many rated AEG so highly?

It will be interesting to read the reviews of how he plays this season


I think AEG's departure should be a discussion for next summer. On his returns he deserves to be part of the coming season. If he can keep up that productivity, and perhaps up his consistency given the increased competition from Watkins (who would probably venture left if he does sometimes play wide), Bailey and Beundia, then great.
If as a club we take another step up from being mid-table to pushing top 8, then in 12 months we will likely be looking to improve and will have to spend accordingly.

The only way I think we sell him this summer is by asking for a valuation reflecting what a double figure midfielder in the Prem (and now an international) should get. For me he's a 25 mill player minimum (as in he's really closer to 15 but every fucker is paying over odds and we've no need to sell). Still in his prime too.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2021, 11:32:59 AM
AEG is a good player.

The problem is, he's so inconsistent that he's useful to have in the squad as another option, but not one you should be absolutely reliant on.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2021, 11:35:58 AM
I never knew so many rated AEG so highly?


Mark Kelly makes-up for that by getting on his case at every opportunity  ;)

I believe it's called 'stating the fucking obvious', well that and to make Footy cry. All that said, nothing would make me happier than to see El Ghazi turn into a proper footballer this season and finally deliver. Stranger things have happened, Targett last season..
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Post by: Richard E on August 10, 2021, 11:38:42 AM
I never knew so many rated AEG so highly?


Mark Kelly makes-up for that by getting on his case at every opportunity  ;)

Don't go all "Eastie" on us - for the purposes of this site he is "Rudy"!
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Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
Fair point.
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Post by: DB on August 10, 2021, 12:11:39 PM
AEG is a good player.

The problem is, he's so inconsistent that he's useful to have in the squad as another option, but not one you should be absolutely reliant on.

Then he is not a good auer IMO. He is a squad player, yes at best, but wouldn't be surprised if he moved on
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Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
I think AEG is a pretty limited footballer in a lot of ways but he does have value with his penalties and his willingness to takes shots. I've said all along that I'd be happy for him or trez to have left this summer but with trez being out until the new year I don't see any great need to push AEG out.
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Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 12:19:02 PM
His value may be at its peak so if we received a good offer/he was a makeweight for another player, it might be worth looking at.
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Post by: Dave on August 10, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
AEG is a good player.

The problem is, he's so inconsistent that he's useful to have in the squad as another option, but not one you should be absolutely reliant on.

Then he is not a good auer IMO. He is a squad player, yes at best, but wouldn't be surprised if he moved on

I've got no issues if he were to move on, if it's the right move for us and for him and we are bringing in somebody better.

I do have issues if we're selling him and then spending twice as much on Dwight McNeil who produces far less than El Ghazi does.
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Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2021, 12:34:52 PM
AEG is a good player.

The problem is, he's so inconsistent that he's useful to have in the squad as another option, but not one you should be absolutely reliant on.

Then he is not a good auer IMO. He is a squad player, yes at best, but wouldn't be surprised if he moved on

I've got no issues if he were to move on, if it's the right move for us and for him and we are bringing in somebody better.

I do have issues if we're selling him and then spending twice as much on Dwight McNeil who produces far less than El Ghazi does.

Yep, I'd agree on that but mostly because I really can't work out why anyone who wants to challenge for Europe would think he'd be a good signing for us. I think some people have been permanently scarred by how we've operated in the past so can't look beyond signings like McNeil, Anguissa, etc who are mid-lower premier league players who stand out slightly at their clubs because of the amount of relegation quality players around them.

I think the same attitude is behind the thinking of needing to have a best 11 and then squad filler and it's a hard mindset to get away from.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 10, 2021, 12:41:07 PM
The way I see it we have 3 spaces for new players if Hourihane and Guillbert go/don't get squad numbers. That's not including any loans for the likes of Davis, Wesley etc.. so unless we're buying 5+  players then its not worth weakening the squad by selling AEG unless we get offered stupid money.
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Post by: algy on August 10, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
The way I see it we have 3 spaces for new players if Hourihane and Guillbert go/don't get squad numbers. That's not including any loans for the likes of Davis, Wesley etc.. so unless we're buying 5+  players then its not worth weakening the squad by selling AEG unless we get offered stupid money.
Yeah, I agree here.  Unless we get a daft offer for AEG, I'd not sell him.  With that other chap who played on the left wing having left, I think El Goalzi will get plenty of games - particularly in the first half of the season.  If he produces another 10-ish goal return then his value will go up again.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2021, 01:58:47 PM
I would definitely keep him at the moment, he did well last season when called upon. Maybe look at it again in a year, if we keep improving and he’s clearly well under the standards of the players around him then fair enough. We don’t know how well new signings are going to do just yet, as I say front three wise I think we’re fine especially if Beundia is likely to be used more in the attacking positions. It’s the midfield that needs some work JWP and a big hard fucker would do just fine with Hourahane offloaded and one of the younger players loaned.
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Post by: caster troy on August 10, 2021, 02:21:17 PM
We seem a bit unbalanced on the wings. Based on where they have played historically, on the right we have Traore, Bailey, Buendia, Philogene-Bidace. On the left we have only El Ghazi, potentially Watkins too. I assume Buendia is going to be in the '10' role, so unless we are going to play Bailey on the left I think we are still a player light in that area and definitely shouldn't be selling El Ghazi.
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Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 10, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
The way I see it we have 3 spaces for new players if Hourihane and Guillbert go/don't get squad numbers. That's not including any loans for the likes of Davis, Wesley etc.. so unless we're buying 5+  players then its not worth weakening the squad by selling AEG unless we get offered stupid money.

3 new players?  I think we'll only get 1 in, or 2 at the absolute max.  The squad is pretty balanced - pretty of options going forward.  We are just a bit light in the middle. We need the ball winner/disruptor type player.  I'm not sure that's JWP, but wouldn't mind his set pieces!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
I don't understand the urgency to move certain players on. Especially ones like AEG who, agreed that he's not an every game starting option, but when he plays it's not like he's an accident waiting to happen. He's a competent fill in for where we are now. No doubt he will feel he wants more playing time at his age and will likely want to move at some point, but for what he offers in the limited appearances he makes he doesn't let us down. He's just not going to be the player to propel us to the next level if we relied on him all the time. But coming off the bench or covering for an injury, scoring the odd goal, he's perfectly fine for a side that finished 11th with aspirations of a Europa spot this season.
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Post by: Alex77 on August 10, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
I also don't get the clamoring to move on AEG. One of our main issues over the last year was our squad depth when bans and injuries occur. He is not a regular starter but a great option to bring off the bench when needed, or to rest the better options in the less challenging games.
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Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Even if there was, it seems pretty unlikely that we would have basically been able to spend what we liked in the last two seasons with virtually no incomings, then have to tighten the purse strings when we've got £100 million on top of our usual budget to piss about with.

One of the other benefits about the Grealish sale is that under FFP, Villa can claim 100% of the sale in the books. Gives us a lot of flexibility whenever we choose to take advantage of that.
really, I never knew that.

It’s because he’s a youth team player and we never paid a transfer fee for him. It’s one of the incentives of FFP; youth development. So another bit of the good side of the coin in selling JG.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on August 10, 2021, 03:34:12 PM
Tammy is off to Roma. £34 m.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2021, 03:34:17 PM
It is why Chelsea and Man City are hoovering up so many youth players to then flog them and avoid FFP issues.

We are a left winger, a 10 and a holding mid from a complete squad for me, especially with Doug and Nakamba set to miss spells of the season.

Watkins will end up left by the look of it, with Buendia at 10 and Bailey right. Not sure that is ideal long term as Ollie brings so much to the striker role I think we lose out a lot. A left sided creative type would be preferable.

However, if I could chose, I would get an Anguissa, Dacoure type and Ward Prowse in over that. Cantwell having another season learning at Norwich might be better for him in the long term, and cheaper next summer. Ward Prowse gives you a leader in the middle, which we need, The holding mid is an obvious need.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2021, 03:38:46 PM
Tammy is off to Roma. £34 m.

Or off to Arsenal depending on what you want to believe
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Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2021, 03:40:32 PM
Tammy is off to Roma. £34 m.

Or off to Arsenal depending on what you want to believe

I want to believe he’s off to Roma, ta.
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Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2021, 04:06:16 PM
I think Roma will pay Chelsea £34M and Arsenal will pay Tammy £150K per week and he will turn out for Rushden and Diamonds.
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Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
I think Roma will pay Chelsea £34M and Arsenal will pay Tammy £150K per week and he will turn out for Rushden and Diamonds.

Arsenal’s offer is dependant on them fleecing a bit more out of furlough, sacking some more ordinary staff, and selling the blood diamonds they were paid in for the Rawandan advertising.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 10, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
I would offer Soton £40 mil for JWP and be done with it

We don't have time to mess about - upwards and upwards

Get him and i think we are good enough with many players able to be flexible in a variety of positions and formations

Maybe the exception of an old but relatively cheap experienced keeper
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Post by: danno on August 10, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
I would offer Soton £40 mil for JWP and be done with it

We don't have time to mess about - upwards and upwards

Get him and i think we are good enough with many players able to be flexible in a variety of positions and formations

Maybe the exception of an old but relatively cheap experienced keeper

I agree on £40 million, one reason I’m not convinced it will happen, is it would seem to be a tremendous act of self harm on Southampton’s part. Staying in the premier league is worth £100 million every season. I fear Ward-Prowse’s worth to Southampton was always higher than our valuation and higher still now they’ve sold Ings.
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Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2021, 04:39:08 PM
I would offer Soton £40 mil for JWP and be done with it

We don't have time to mess about - upwards and upwards

Get him and i think we are good enough with many players able to be flexible in a variety of positions and formations

Maybe the exception of an old but relatively cheap experienced keeper

I agree on £40 million, one reason I’m not convinced it will happen, is it would seem to be a tremendous act of self harm on Southampton’s part. Staying in the premier league is worth £100 million every season. I fear Ward-Prowse’s worth to Southampton was always higher than our valuation and higher still now they’ve sold Ings.

I think they're in trouble with or without JWP at this point. Obviously better off with him, but 40-50m could go a long way for them.
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Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2021, 04:41:05 PM
As a guess i’d say it would probably take between 55/60m for JWP.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2021, 04:45:27 PM
As a guess i’d say it would probably take between 55/60m for JWP.

Worth it.
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Post by: Smithy on August 10, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
I would offer Soton £40 mil for JWP and be done with it

We don't have time to mess about - upwards and upwards

Get him and i think we are good enough with many players able to be flexible in a variety of positions and formations

Maybe the exception of an old but relatively cheap experienced keeper

I agree on £40 million, one reason I’m not convinced it will happen, is it would seem to be a tremendous act of self harm on Southampton’s part. Staying in the premier league is worth £100 million every season. I fear Ward-Prowse’s worth to Southampton was always higher than our valuation and higher still now they’ve sold Ings.

I think they're in trouble with or without JWP at this point. Obviously better off with him, but 40-50m could go a long way for them.

You're right of course, but ultimately, Southampton are a club that sells its better players for big money to strengthen the squad over time.  They simply don't make enough commercially and from TV.  Van Dijk, Mane, Luke Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Lovren, Hojbjerg (plus Ings of course). Their net spend since 2015 is about zero.  It's their business model to sell their better players (and there's nothing wrong with that, they're clearly a very well run club to compete how they do basically spending no money)

The question is whether we'd have to pay a premium to get JWP this year given the money they've already got for Ings, and whether the Ings money is enough for them do what they want to do in the transfer market this summer?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 10, 2021, 05:08:38 PM
  Prices go up as the window nears too, as it becomes more difficult for the selling team to be able to replace the departing player.  These deals that have been dragging on are becoming less value for money, making them less likely, if we weren't willing to pay £35mill last month why would we be thinking of paying £45mill now? 
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Post by: john2710 on August 10, 2021, 05:09:37 PM
There’s no way we’re going to pay £50/60 for JWP…
I’d spend £30m each on a defensive midfielder & a No 10.
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Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 10, 2021, 05:17:50 PM
JWP is 1/2 on to join with the bookies according to B'ham Mail
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
£50m on JWP and £15m on Dacoure would finish our window off very nicely indeed. We'd have strength in depth almost everywhere, with quality youth players pushing too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on August 10, 2021, 05:49:02 PM
Feel like El Ghazi could easily be the topic of one of the old 'Great Scapegoats of Our Time' articles in H&V.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
The next time football implodes in a financial crisis, paying £50m for JWP will be one of the deals used to highlight where ambition overtook responsibility
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 10, 2021, 05:56:41 PM
I think it will highlight what you need to pay when someone has another 4 years left on their contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 10, 2021, 05:56:53 PM
The next time football implodes in a financial crisis, paying £50m for JWP a will be one of the deals used to highlight where ambition overtook responsibility

heh. init.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
The next time football implodes in a financial crisis, paying £50m for JWP a will be one of the deals used to highlight where ambition overtook responsibility

Football might implode, but NSWE wont.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2021, 06:04:06 PM
From what I read most of his best work is done without the ball, some players have skills you can’t really coach into them, doesn’t sound like the case here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 10, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
Every year we all say the money being mentioned is too much and every year it goes up some more. Every year we all say it’s going to blow up but after what little I saw of that link regarding the shady side of football ownership I’m starting to think maybe soon it will all go tits up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2021, 06:04:45 PM
The next time football implodes in a financial crisis, paying £50m for JWP a will be one of the deals used to highlight where ambition overtook responsibility

It’s the price of a cast-iron guarantee of really improving the team. And probably balanced by making a fairly valuable but inferior player in a similar position surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
Have we actually made another bid for JWP or are we just speculating that we have/might be?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 10, 2021, 06:13:13 PM
The Daily Star (YES AY!!) have us as 'in discussions' with Dacourre, and having been told by Southampton that JWP is 'not for sale'.  They have no quotes, or anything to back them up, any more than we do for making our predictions, it would appear.  I'd prefer Dacourre at 15m than JWP at 50.  Also if PSG are ready to throw players to the Lions (sic) then I'd still be interested in Rafinha in the same position.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2021, 06:15:19 PM
The next time football implodes in a financial crisis, paying £50m for JWP a will be one of the deals used to highlight where ambition overtook responsibility


It’s the price of a cast-iron guarantee of really improving the team. And probably balanced by making a fairly valuable but inferior player in a similar position surplus to requirements.

Why do you think he’s a guarantee of improvement?

I suppose I’m at ‘why can’t we coach an existing player’ to do that job. Or if we don’t have them, why not or why can’t we get a physically stronger player at a lower cost as we aren’t taking about a player with natural talent; we seem to be talking about an intelligent player with discipline
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2021, 06:18:18 PM
£42m for Odegaard would be a pretty big statement of ambition. It's what Arsenal are being quoted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldtimernow on August 10, 2021, 06:27:03 PM
£42m for Odegaard would be a pretty big statement of ambition. It's what Arsenal are being quoted.

go £45m for him.......almost just to piss the Gunners off again

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 10, 2021, 06:32:42 PM
£42m for Odegaard would be a pretty big statement of ambition. It's what Arsenal are being quoted.

go £45m for him.......almost just to piss the Gunners off again




 :D :D :D :D


was he any good for them ?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 10, 2021, 06:37:49 PM
Remind me again if FFP is finished why we can't flex our muscle?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 10, 2021, 06:47:24 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2021, 06:51:00 PM
£42m for Odegaard would be a pretty big statement of ambition. It's what Arsenal are being quoted.

go £45m for him.......almost just to piss the Gunners off again




 :D :D :D :D


was he any good for them ?


Once he got going he had an ability to play a cute pass that the opposition were not expecting in a similar way to he who shall not be named. Thought he looked a quality player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 10, 2021, 07:16:10 PM
Remind me again if FFP is finished why we can't flex our muscle?

FFP is currently still in play although UEFA are currently 'reviewing' it (whatever that will entail). That's for European competition. There's also FFP in place for the Premier League. City beat UEFA's punishment by successfully appealing to CAS. But the Premier League investigation is still ongoing and I suspect that the Premier League members will be keen to make sure Man City are punished if there is anything dodgy. Man City were trying to delay the release of records/ information requested by the Premier League as part of their investigation but lost this in court recently (July).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2021, 07:18:16 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

Fair enough.

I think Mings is way fitter though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: danno on August 10, 2021, 07:32:45 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

Fair enough.

I think Mings is way fitter though.

https://twitter.com/kyrankingscott/status/1273980253283725314?s=21
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

This is true. And it’s not just direct free-kicks he’s brilliant at. Those diagonal ones from further out, he always gets to drop in that ‘corridor of uncertainty’, and his corners are fucking mint as well. He’s probably the best in the world across all the set-piece disciplines.

And a fantastic player and leader too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 10, 2021, 08:34:07 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

This is true. And it’s not just direct free-kicks he’s brilliant at. Those diagonal ones from further out, he always gets to drop in that ‘corridor of uncertainty’, and his corners are fucking mint as well. He’s probably the best in the world across all the set-piece disciplines.

And a fantastic player and leader too.

OK I’ll buy him where do I sign? Have you ever thought of becoming an agent?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2021, 08:45:33 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

This is true. And it’s not just direct free-kicks he’s brilliant at. Those diagonal ones from further out, he always gets to drop in that ‘corridor of uncertainty’, and his corners are fucking mint as well. He’s probably the best in the world across all the set-piece disciplines.

And a fantastic player and leader too.

I fully endorse these comments. I'm also sure if we are interested in him it's not because he banged in a couple of free kicks against us, it's because they've identified his considerable skill sets will improve many areas of our team and he comes with zero baggage. He looks to me like as sure an investment we could make, and I think he'd thrive in the environment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 10, 2021, 08:55:16 PM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

This is true. And it’s not just direct free-kicks he’s brilliant at. Those diagonal ones from further out, he always gets to drop in that ‘corridor of uncertainty’, and his corners are fucking mint as well. He’s probably the best in the world across all the set-piece disciplines.

And a fantastic player and leader too.

I fully endorse these comments. I'm also sure if we are interested in him it's not because he banged in a couple of free kicks against us, it's because they've identified his considerable skill sets will improve many areas of our team and he comes with zero baggage. He looks to me like as sure an investment we could make, and I think he'd thrive in the environment.
Add me to the list of admirers. I’m wondering if he’s the reason we haven’t announced a club captain yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2021, 08:57:10 PM
If we signed him, would he walk straight into the team as Captain? If Mings doesn’t fancy the mantle, then the only other player that springs to mind is SJM but I he’s more of club jester than captain material.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lsvilla on August 10, 2021, 09:00:30 PM
If we signed him, would he walk straight into the team as Captain? If Mings doesn’t fancy the mantle, then the only other player that springs to mind is SJM but I he’s more of club jester than captain material.
Wouldn’t happen for many. And agree it could be a challenge. But if it clinched the deal…
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 10, 2021, 09:02:45 PM
It's asking a bit to join a new club and instantly give them the captaincy. I would imagine Mings will take the arm band. His comment about having the whole nation question his place in the England team has been extrapolated to a much broader level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Des Little on August 10, 2021, 09:18:32 PM
If we signed him, would he walk straight into the team as Captain? If Mings doesn’t fancy the mantle, then the only other player that springs to mind is SJM but I he’s more of club jester than captain material.

If Mings didn’t want it, Konsa would make a good captain.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2021, 09:25:19 PM
If we signed him, would he walk straight into the team as Captain? If Mings doesn’t fancy the mantle, then the only other player that springs to mind is SJM but I he’s more of club jester than captain material.

If Mings didn’t want it, Konsa would make a good captain.

Some people are against the GK having it, but Emi would be a great shout too.

We are lucky to have this problem.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 10, 2021, 09:56:35 PM
Emi would be tremendous as a skipper on the pitch, but don't forget Ash as overall club captain. Knows the place inside out and he's been through more at the top level than anyone else in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 10, 2021, 10:00:23 PM
It has to be mings, surely?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 10, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
Emi would be tremendous as a skipper on the pitch, but don't forget Ash as overall club captain. Knows the place inside out and he's been through more at the top level than anyone else in the squad.

I'm glad Young is back with us, but you can't be fucking off to Man Utd and then be made captain on your return. A period of atonement is necessary.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2021, 10:12:03 PM
Why wouldn't Mings want it?

I assume DS will name captain for the season at the Friday presser.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 10, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
I dont agree with new signings getting the armband, they need to earn their stripes with the club before that. Mings has more than done that, I'd be proud to have someone of his character as captain
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 10, 2021, 10:27:48 PM
It's an armband. For the first time in donkeys' donkey's, we're blessed with character all over the pitch, from very back to very front. Smith rotated the captaincy at Brentford, I believe. I have no qualms with that. We'd be proud of any of them being captain.

Armband or not, Mings is a fucking colussus of a human being.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2021, 10:31:08 PM
I dont agree with new signings getting the armband, they need to earn their stripes with the club before that. Mings has more than done that, I'd be proud to have someone of his character as captain

I don't mind giving it to a new player when the previous season was a disgrace, as punishment. That isn't the case here, though. It needs to be someone who is likely to start pretty much every league game so that doubly rules out Young. It should be Mings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2021, 10:33:58 PM
Konsa for me. 

Mings will shout and bellow anyway, I think Konsa’s calming influence might be beneficial and also puts him on the pedestal he deserves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2021, 10:44:27 PM
If the captain can be somone who isn't necessarily a first choice on the field for us then maybe Jack can keep it? He might be able to feed back some good ideas from those money grubbing, slave owners hes now sport washing for.

Good idea?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2021, 10:45:43 PM
Deffo Konsa, he just looks a leader above everyone, Tyrone included.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2021, 11:12:00 PM
It'll just be nice to have a captain who doesn't swear and snarl at the oppo or ref every few minutes - Grealish was a fiend for it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: not3bad on August 10, 2021, 11:23:13 PM
I agree we have leaders all over the pitch now - Martinez, Mings, Konsa, Young, SJM, Ings, so a rotating match captaincy sounds good to me. Mings I think should be overall club captain as I think he'd be a fantastic representative for Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2021, 11:26:19 PM
I recall that before coming to the Villa Smith liked to rotate the captaincy around his team on a game by game basis. That stopped with us when he gave it to Ratboy.

It could make a return.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2021, 12:04:25 AM
I've only seen him play against us, but would the lust for him be so strong if it wasn't for the free kicks against us? Obviously the free kicks are important, and would be an asset, but we have a middling midfielder who knows his way around a free kick and we seem to be rushing him out of the door.

Then again, I've not really been paying attention o JWP or Southampton.

The free kicks thing is a bit of misnomer to be honest. It's probably the only thing they have in common. In 19/20 nobody covered more ground than JWP. He averaged 11.6km per game. He's one of the fittest players in the league.

This is true. And it’s not just direct free-kicks he’s brilliant at. Those diagonal ones from further out, he always gets to drop in that ‘corridor of uncertainty’, and his corners are fucking mint as well. He’s probably the best in the world across all the set-piece disciplines.

And a fantastic player and leader too.

I fully endorse these comments. I'm also sure if we are interested in him it's not because he banged in a couple of free kicks against us, it's because they've identified his considerable skill sets will improve many areas of our team and he comes with zero baggage. He looks to me like as sure an investment we could make, and I think he'd thrive in the environment.

Would rather try and get a quality defensive midfielder in this summer and see how Douglas Luiz got on alongside someone like that.  We could then try again for JWP either in January or next summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 11, 2021, 12:12:09 AM
Emi would be tremendous as a skipper on the pitch, but don't forget Ash as overall club captain. Knows the place inside out and he's been through more at the top level than anyone else in the squad.

I'm glad Young is back with us, but you can't be fucking off to Man Utd and then be made captain on your return. A period of atonement is necessary.

He has been at a real club in between, to be fair. Had a good exile.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 11, 2021, 06:41:22 AM
It has to be mings, surely?
There's something that just feels right about having a centre-back as skipper.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 11, 2021, 06:59:35 AM
It's an armband. For the first time in donkeys' donkey's, we're blessed with character all over the pitch, from very back to very front. Smith rotated the captaincy at Brentford, I believe. I have no qualms with that. We'd be proud of any of them being captain.

Armband or not, Mings is a fucking colussus of a human being.
Agreed on every point. With that other player gone, I'd move to a rotating captaincy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2021, 07:37:24 AM
Go with the Italian tradition of longest-serving player.

Come on down captain Jed Steer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 11, 2021, 07:48:20 AM
Steer would first have to supplant Emi 1 in the line up, if he does that he'd deserve the armband!

Reports on the mainland say a £10m bid for Doucore to be submitted to "test their resolve". 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2021, 07:59:02 AM
On the defensive midfielder apparently Bayern are willing to let Corentin Tolisso go.

Would fit the part pretty well if we could convince him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 11, 2021, 09:26:51 AM
Reading the last 10-15 pages of this thread it seems most are up for signing JWP - have to admit other than his set pieces he’s always been a player I’ve watched lots and been undecided as to whether he is a good player or not.  Like the sound of the distance he covers though, we need that for definite.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 11, 2021, 09:48:10 AM
Go with the Italian tradition of longest-serving player.

Come on down captain Jed Steer.

What first-team player would it be if that was the case
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2021, 09:55:55 AM
Go with the Italian tradition of longest-serving player.

Come on down captain Jed Steer.

What first-team player would it be if that was the case

"Sorry Emi, we know you're probably the best in the world but Jed's been here the longest and now he's captain so he has to play"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 11, 2021, 09:56:36 AM

Reading the last 10-15 pages of this thread it seems most are up for signing JWP - have to admit other than his set pieces he’s always been a player I’ve watched lots and been undecided as to whether he is a good player or not.  Like the sound of the distance he covers though, we need that for definite.

I'm in that camp too.  I don't really know what he's good at apart from free kicks.  The ground covering I hadn't noticed, it's an admiral quality.  I also remember he was given the job of doubling up on Grealish at their place which he did well at so the defensive side of his game must be decent. A bit of an all rounder free kick specialist then? nice to have but I'd prefer a mobile 6ft something, 14 stone enforcer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 11, 2021, 10:05:47 AM
Go with the Italian tradition of longest-serving player.

Come on down captain Jed Steer.

What first-team player would it be if that was the case

McGinn I expect.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2021, 10:14:40 AM
Go with the Italian tradition of longest-serving player.

Come on down captain Jed Steer.

What first-team player would it be if that was the case

McGinn I expect.

Keinan Davis!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 11, 2021, 10:27:34 AM
It looks like JWP, as quite a few on here have suspected, will probably not happen with Saints not wanting to sell, quite a few mumurings that we are "looking elsewhere" about this morning.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2021, 10:32:49 AM
On the defensive midfielder apparently Bayern are willing to let Corentin Tolisso go.

Would fit the part pretty well if we could convince him.

Had a bad injury I think. Wonder what they'd want for him? I guess wages would be high.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Fasth56 on August 11, 2021, 10:57:10 AM
On the defensive midfielder apparently Bayern are willing to let Corentin Tolisso go.

Would fit the part pretty well if we could convince him.

Given that Messi is on £500,000 a week at PSG, we could have signed him for the 2 years given him a £10m bonus for getting us into Europe and still had £40m change from the transfer of Grealish

Had a bad injury I think. Wonder what they'd want for him? I guess wages would be high.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Thing is, Mings is the obvious choice.  He's been our vice captain when Jack was out and is a natural leader.  Picking anybody else seems to me to be an uneccessary kick in the bollocks to one of our most important players and I just don't see any reason to go down that route.  If there was somebody competeing for Mings place then there would be an argument to make it Konsa etc.  But Mings is 100% first choice this season at least, so is the natural choice.  More than that, I think he's the right choice and I'd be delighted for him and proud to have him captaining the club.

edit - I guess this should be on the captain thread, but seemed to be being discussed here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but Hampshire Live have reported an interview with Southamptn CEO stating there's no prospect of them selling JWP this wndo.  It's the sort of statement you can go back on.  I'd consider this one to be dead now.

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-james-ward-5770149
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2021, 11:16:26 AM
On the defensive midfielder apparently Bayern are willing to let Corentin Tolisso go.

Would fit the part pretty well if we could convince him.

Had a bad injury I think. Wonder what they'd want for him? I guess wages would be high.

In 2018. Played in about 30/40% of the league games he's been available for since coming back. £10m asking price apparently
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 11, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but Hampshire Live have reported an interview with Southamptn CEO stating there's no prospect of them selling JWP this wndo.  It's the sort of statement you can go back on.  I'd consider this one to be dead now.

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-james-ward-5770149


Yes I guess this would only change if he really wanted to leave 
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 11, 2021, 11:20:25 AM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but Hampshire Live have reported an interview with Southamptn CEO stating there's no prospect of them selling JWP this wndo.  It's the sort of statement you can go back on.  I'd consider this one to be dead now.

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-james-ward-5770149


Yes I guess this would only change if he really wanted to leave 

And if he pushed for a move after the CEO has said this (which I don't think he well tbh), how would we feel about him given he would effectively be doing the same as Jack did to us?  Time to move on to other targets.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2021, 11:22:12 AM
On the defensive midfielder apparently Bayern are willing to let Corentin Tolisso go.

Would fit the part pretty well if we could convince him.

Had a bad injury I think. Wonder what they'd want for him? I guess wages would be high.


In 2018. Played in about 30/40% of the league games he's been available for since coming back. £10m asking price apparently

Really? Wow. Gotta be worth looking at for that price.
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Post by: Risso on August 11, 2021, 11:23:43 AM

And if he pushed for a move after the CEO has said this (which I don't think he well tbh), how would we feel about him given he would effectively be doing the same as Jack did to us?  Time to move on to other targets.

If we limit ourselves to only signing players who the selling club are happy to lose, I don't we're going to progress very quickly.
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Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2021, 11:25:14 AM
Yeah, the way we wazz on about him is like Blue Moon self-entitled Citeh fans assuming Grealish was joining them for the last few weeks/months.

For Saints' PR and in-house mood, it would be suicide to sell him. Let's move on.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 11, 2021, 11:27:39 AM

And if he pushed for a move after the CEO has said this (which I don't think he well tbh), how would we feel about him given he would effectively be doing the same as Jack did to us?  Time to move on to other targets.

If we limit ourselves to only signing players who the selling club are happy to lose, I don't we're going to progress very quickly.

Exactly.  We are already doing what other clubs further up and down the food chain are doing.  Pretending we are any better is denial.  I must say though, that I've thought it unlikely we'd get another big player from Saints first 11 after Ings.

We still do need improvements if we are serious about Europe.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 11, 2021, 11:48:08 AM

And if he pushed for a move after the CEO has said this (which I don't think he well tbh), how would we feel about him given he would effectively be doing the same as Jack did to us?  Time to move on to other targets.

If we limit ourselves to only signing players who the selling club are happy to lose, I don't we're going to progress very quickly.
I'm not saying that at all, but after this statement, if he agitated for a move to us when all the signs are he loves it there and is happy with a 5yr deal, he would be just as much of a snake to them as Jack is to us.  Not that I think he will.  I reckon we will sign him in January.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2021, 12:07:50 PM

And if he pushed for a move after the CEO has said this (which I don't think he well tbh), how would we feel about him given he would effectively be doing the same as Jack did to us?  Time to move on to other targets.

If we limit ourselves to only signing players who the selling club are happy to lose, I don't we're going to progress very quickly.
There's a difference between being happy to lose a player and going on the record a few days before the start of the season telling fans he won't be sold under any circumstances.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on August 11, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
Dean has stated we are 18 months off challenging for a European place

So this season looks as though we are aiming for at least 8th with the real push for Europe being next season
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Post by: Monty on August 11, 2021, 12:50:13 PM
Dean has stated we are 18 months off challenging for a European place

So this season looks as though we are aiming for at least 8th with the real push for Europe being next season


18 months off being in Europe, not challenging for it necessarily.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2021, 12:53:51 PM
No point challenging if you're not gonna be in it. I would hope he is just dampening expectations there. While the threat of the Super League remains, we need to get our fingers out and qualify or the chance might be taken away from us.
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Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2021, 12:55:38 PM
Where has he said that? In the Pravda interview last week he said a couple of times that Europe was the target this season.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2021, 01:01:09 PM
Where exactly would we have to finish to get Europe. I'm guessing it varies on who wins cups etc?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2021, 01:09:34 PM
Top five to be certain. Top six or seven depending on cup winners.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2021, 01:10:42 PM
Ta.
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Post by: Smithy on August 11, 2021, 01:32:37 PM
Dean has stated we are 18 months off challenging for a European place

So this season looks as though we are aiming for at least 8th with the real push for Europe being next season


Did he by any chance say that 18 months ago? Because a couple of days ago he talked about challenging for the European places this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2021, 01:39:27 PM
He was talking about champions league places from what I read. 18 months seems a bit of an odd timescale when a season is about to start but still. A little optimistic maybe as well unless we’re going to be making Aguerro/Toure/David Silva type signings fairly soon.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 11, 2021, 01:40:07 PM
I think he means 18 months off the Champions league contention. He said we were 18 months off match rat boys ambition, which was the Champions league. I read in to that as Europa league challengers this year, Champions league challenge in 2 years.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2021, 01:44:43 PM
Yes, it seems that you too had your spectacles on when reading it.

Talk about fucking Chinese whispers.
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Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2021, 01:48:35 PM
If we are going to have already qualified for the Champions League by February 2023 then that would suggest that by May of next season we will be champions!
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Post by: Rigadon on August 11, 2021, 01:50:58 PM
If we are going to have already qualified for the Champions League by February 2023 then that would suggest that by May of next season we will be champions!

I would find that acceptable. 
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Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2021, 01:54:10 PM
If we are going to have already qualified for the Champions League by February 2023 then that would suggest that by May of next season we will be champions!

I would find that acceptable. 

Yeah, I would settle for that as long as the football was sufficiently entertaining and we reached at least the semi-finals of both domestic cup competitions.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2021, 01:55:12 PM
In eighteen months time we could be in the knockout stages of the Europa League. There's your CL qualification.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2021, 01:58:58 PM
No, I think you have to win it don’t you? That would be the May, which technically is 21 months away, and again a little optimistic unless we’re going to start making Aguerro/Toure/David Silva type signings.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 11, 2021, 05:20:28 PM
The latest hearsay:
Atalanta and Arsenal were both said to also be on the case, but it’s Aston Villa, according to Made in Lens, who have made the first move.

The website claim that Dean Smith’s side have made a ‘£10m offer’ for the defensive midfielder, which would be around €12m for the Ligue 1 side.

However, that ‘isn’t enough yet’ to convince the French club to sell their starlet, who would be able to leave for an amount similar to Loic Badé, meaning ‘between €15-18m’.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 11, 2021, 05:55:14 PM
From The Telegraph.

Tottenham and Aston Villa are preparing moves for Southampton midfielder James Ward-Prowse after the Premier League season starts this weekend.

Both are set to test Southampton’s resolve to keep their captain after losing Danny Ings and Jannik Vestergaard being targeted by clubs in the final weeks of the transfer window.

Ward-Prowse, 26, was targeted by Villa earlier in the summer before they turned their attention to forwards to cover for the loss of Jack Grealish, with Leon Bailey and Ings joining Emi Buendia as summer arrivals.

He remains their No.1 target to bolster Dean Smith’s midfield, while Spurs also have the England international on their radar.

Mauricio Pochettino wanted Ward-Prowse during his time at Spurs and he remains highly rated at the club.

Ward-Prowse played in every Premier League game last season and scored eight goals, with his set-piece delivery one of Southampton’s biggest attacking weapons. It earned him a place in England’s provisional squad of the European Championships before he was dropped from the final 26.

Southampton chief executive Martin Semmens has vowed to keep Ward-Prowse at the club and sees him as an important player for the future.

Villa midfielder Marvelous Nakamba, 27, has been monitored by Watford and Everton. They would stand to make a profit on the £11 million paid to Club Brugges two years ago should they choose to cash in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
If we essentially swapped JWP for Nakamba I will gladly drive him to the buying club. Nice player, but he isn’t the quality we need for growth. JWP most certainly is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2021, 06:37:55 PM
Semmens has vowed not to sell him. Prowse will have to kick-off if he wants to leave.
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Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2021, 06:47:54 PM
We need him to seriously angle for a move if there’s any chance of this one coming off now, surely.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2021, 06:53:17 PM
Was that a John Percy piece in the Torygraph?
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Post by: Ads on August 11, 2021, 07:00:58 PM
No it was a Mike McGrath article.
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Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2021, 07:02:30 PM
I think he means 18 months off the Champions league contention. He said we were 18 months off match rat boys ambition, which was the Champions league. I read in to that as Europa league challengers this year, Champions league challenge in 2 years.

I spoke to one of the players in the course of my work recently and they said Europe is the aim this year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2021, 07:06:53 PM
Lots will still happen between now and the close of the window. Southampton will hold out as long as they need to and likely won’t sell at all unless they have a replacement lined up. But they have done a good job of acknowledging their place in the food chain when you consider who they have sold in the past decade. At the right price JWP will be sold and they will do fine afterwards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
They've agreed a fee for Vestergaard apparently. They would be mental to sell their 3 best players OR maybe that's why JWP would want to leave. Bold call if they do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2021, 07:29:43 PM
Lots will still happen between now and the close of the window. Southampton will hold out as long as they need to and likely won’t sell at all unless they have a replacement lined up. But they have done a good job of acknowledging their place in the food chain when you consider who they have sold in the past decade. At the right price JWP will be sold and they will do fine afterwards.

I don't know if you mean this to come accross as it reads, but if that was a City fan talking about us I'd be calling him a arrogant monumental bellend.  Hopefully I've taken it the wrong way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2021, 07:35:05 PM
Lots will still happen between now and the close of the window. Southampton will hold out as long as they need to and likely won’t sell at all unless they have a replacement lined up. But they have done a good job of acknowledging their place in the food chain when you consider who they have sold in the past decade. At the right price JWP will be sold and they will do fine afterwards.

I don't know if you mean this to come accross as it reads, but if that was a City fan talking about us I'd be calling him a arrogant monumental bellend.  Hopefully I've taken it the wrong way.
Im afraid TV, it does look a tad condescending.
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Post by: Risso on August 11, 2021, 07:41:00 PM
That would read better if it said 'consolidating' rather than 'acknowledging'.
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Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
Fuck 'em, they're Southampton. Another bunch of twats that thought they were bigger than us because they had a couple of decent seasons and a new Lego stadium.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2021, 07:44:56 PM
Dean has stated we are 18 months off challenging for a European place

So this season looks as though we are aiming for at least 8th with the real push for Europe being next season
Does he not realise how old I am!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2021, 08:05:25 PM
No, I think you have to win it don’t you? That would be the May, which technically is 21 months away, and again a little optimistic unless we’re going to start making Aguerro/Toure/David Silva type signings.


Yeah, you do have to win it. I meant that being in the knockout stages technically means you're in contention for a CL place.
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Post by: Ads on August 11, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
I thought Vestergaard was largely thought of as being poor by their support?
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Post by: Dave on August 11, 2021, 08:10:59 PM
They've agreed a fee for Vestergaard apparently. They would be mental to sell their 3 best players OR maybe that's why JWP would want to leave. Bold call if they do.

When I was browsing their forum at the time of the Ings signing, they seemed pretty unanimous that it was (a) inevitable that Vestergaard would be leaving and (b) that it would be a good thing.

One of those where a few goals last season and a half-decent Euros masks all the stuff that he's bad at, and produces a transfer fee far beyond what it should be.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2021, 08:26:23 PM
Top five to be certain. Top six or seven depending on cup winners.

I presume that's to get into the Eunai Emery Cup and that Europa Conference League entry will be a place or two lower.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2021, 09:33:58 PM
No chance we are getting Ward Prowse. Southampton are never selling him and Ings to us, and Vestegaard in the same summer.

Get the French lad in ASAP to give us a bit more in there and then go all out for a creative type. Still think we need a statement signing to help our image post Jack.
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Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2021, 09:41:46 PM
No chance we are getting Ward Prowse. Southampton are never selling him and Ings to us, and Vestegaard in the same summer.

Get the French lad in ASAP to give us a bit more in there and then go all out for a creative type. Still think we need a statement signing to help our image post Jack.

I don't see why we should sign anyone big just to boost our image. We just need them to be good for us.
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Post by: Ian. on August 11, 2021, 09:43:36 PM
No chance we are getting Ward Prowse. Southampton are never selling him and Ings to us, and Vestegaard in the same summer.

Get the French lad in ASAP to give us a bit more in there and then go all out for a creative type. Still think we need a statement signing to help our image post Jack.

I don't see why we should sign anyone big just to boost our image. We just need them to be good for us.

Shame if we don’t get him but I think you’re right. Who is this French lad?
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Post by: brontebilly on August 11, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
I thought Vestergaard was largely thought of as being poor by their support?

Milk turns faster....
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Post by: Tuscans on August 11, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
No chance we are getting Ward Prowse. Southampton are never selling him and Ings to us, and Vestegaard in the same summer.

Get the French lad in ASAP to give us a bit more in there and then go all out for a creative type. Still think we need a statement signing to help our image post Jack.

I don't see why we should sign anyone big just to boost our image. We just need them to be good for us.

Shame if we don’t get him but I think you’re right. Who is this French lad?
Think he may be on about Doucoure or Anguissa who are African.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2021, 10:14:39 PM
Lots will still happen between now and the close of the window. Southampton will hold out as long as they need to and likely won’t sell at all unless they have a replacement lined up. But they have done a good job of acknowledging their place in the food chain when you consider who they have sold in the past decade. At the right price JWP will be sold and they will do fine afterwards.

I don't know if you mean this to come accross as it reads, but if that was a City fan talking about us I'd be calling him a arrogant monumental bellend.  Hopefully I've taken it the wrong way.
Im afraid TV, it does look a tad condescending.

But it’s also a fact. It’s precisely why we lost Jack. I’m not offended by it. It’s why we were able to buy Buendia. Clubs including ourselves need to be sustainable while increasing our commercial revenues. I’m pretty sure Leon Bailey doesn’t look at us as his last stop. If he does well in 3 or 4 years if we are not in the CL he will be sold for £60-70m to a top side. What we have to do is work our way up that football food chain so that players want to stay with us. Leicester for example are now able to buy and keep a lot of top players because of that. But it doesn’t mean they won’t lose the very best ones when Man U or Man City or Chelsea come calling. I accept it might sound condescending to a point but it is what it is. It always has been that way and always will be.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2021, 10:20:23 PM
Should we cash in on AEG for 17m? Roma seem keen on him.
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Post by: Monty on August 11, 2021, 10:25:58 PM
Should we cash in on AEG for 17m? Roma seem keen on him.

Roma have been optimistically linked with everyone this summer. To switch the old line they seem to know the value of everything and the price of nothing.
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Post by: London Villan on August 11, 2021, 10:28:03 PM
Snap their hand off.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2021, 10:33:34 PM
No unless we’ve got a replacement lined up.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2021, 10:34:18 PM
Should we cash in on AEG for 17m? Roma seem keen on him.

I like him, but yes. Then bring in Cantwell or McNeill.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 11, 2021, 10:49:44 PM
There’s lots of financial uncertainty effecting the biggest clubs in Europe. We all know about Barcelona but heard today that Inter and Lille are in strife, considering they’re the champions of their respective leagues it was surprising to me. They’ll be some bargains to be had, to this end I wouldn’t want to spunk a massive wedge on JWP I get the settling in argument but believe there’s better value out there.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
Inter are in big, big trouble
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2021, 11:44:24 PM
How did they get a licence to play in the Champions League this season?
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Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2021, 11:54:33 PM
How did they get a licence to play in the Champions League this season?

This is where the Spannish have it right, don't slap them on the wrists retrospectively, stop them playing in it in the first place.
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Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on August 12, 2021, 12:17:40 AM
If we essentially swapped JWP for Nakamba I will gladly drive him to the buying club. Nice player, but he isn’t the quality we need for growth. JWP most certainly is.

Different players though, and would see us even more desperate for a strong DM. If we can get Doucoure for under 15m, that is a brilliant fee for a champions league level player. Then of course, we'd have money left over.

Sell El Ghazi, and get an elite left sided winger/attacker (Correa), who can finally replace (positionally) Jack, and be cover for Watkins & Ings.

That should enable us to loan Wesley without worry too.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 12, 2021, 12:37:02 AM
They've agreed a fee for Vestergaard apparently. They would be mental to sell their 3 best players OR maybe that's why JWP would want to leave. Bold call if they do.

When I was browsing their forum at the time of the Ings signing, they seemed pretty unanimous that it was (a) inevitable that Vestergaard would be leaving and (b) that it would be a good thing.

One of those where a few goals last season and a half-decent Euros masks all the stuff that he's bad at, and produces a transfer fee far beyond what it should be.

Ah right, I've been fed shit by a pundit then (surprise). I definitely read him referred to as 'one of their best' players but I haven't seen enough of him myself to judge. Is he better than Joleon Lescott?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2021, 05:02:44 AM
My mate’s a Southampton fan and thinks Vestergaard is hopeless. As an aside I was once in a queue in Costa behind Vestergaard, he’s an absolute giant. He seemed like a really nice bloke as well, taking selfie’s and chatting with fans.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 12, 2021, 06:44:35 AM
what happened to the lad Anderson at Fulham he looked useful , is he still there ?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 12, 2021, 06:57:30 AM
what happened to the lad Anderson at Fulham he looked useful , is he still there ?

Gone to Palace.
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Post by: frank black on August 12, 2021, 07:05:26 AM
what happened to the lad Anderson at Fulham he looked useful , is he still there ?

Gone to Palace.

And turned from good to awful too.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 07:18:32 AM
Palace will be an interesting watch this season.

On the signing a player to look good, I think it is important. Players attract players as much as anything else. Southampton have admitted that 3/4 of their signings have specifically asked about JWP. Villa players have openly admitted getting Ings lifted spirits. It has to be the right players and of use to the way you want to play, but the profile is a huge part of it, especially when you want to go to the next level.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2021, 07:39:52 AM
JWP isn’t a defensive midfielder.

I’d rather we bought someone who is a specialist in that role.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2021, 08:29:05 AM
JWP isn’t a defensive midfielder.

I’d rather we bought someone who is a specialist in that role.

He’d be our best midfielder by some distance.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 12, 2021, 08:38:22 AM
I note that Doucore has only played 30 top flight games, if we are after him he might be more of a buy for the future
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Post by: caster troy on August 12, 2021, 08:38:41 AM
I haven't given up on Nakamba as the defensive midfielder. He didn't start many games last season but played in wins over Leeds, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. The two poor performances that he did start in were the 0-0 at home to Burnley and the loss away to Sheff Utd. You could argue in those games his limitations were shown, but equally you could say we had enough attacking players on the pitch to have got the job done. Yes he was pretty rubbish the year before, but who wasn't?

I'd rather we went big on someone who will definitely take us up a level (Like a JWP) than throw another £30-£40m on a Nakamba replacement who might not end up being much better.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2021, 10:02:16 AM

I'd rather we went big on someone who will definitely take us up a level (Like a JWP) than throw another £30-£40m on a Nakamba replacement who might not end up being much better.

Good point, well made.
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Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 10:18:46 AM
If Everton or West Ham are offering £15m for Nakamba and Roma £17m for El Ghazi, do the deals and get in this midfield stopper we need and River Plate's Gary Shaw (loan him out to our feeder club til Xmas...do we have one of those yet?).

I think a lot of us are expecting our owners to keep chucking money in but they're businessmen and will want us to extract profit where possible. Our commercial income is still pretty bang average. We got a windfall from Grealish but you also need to know when to sell peripheral players like Marv and Anwar. No one has them in our ideal first XI this coming season, their value will plummet if they are on the fringes so if there is interest, wish them well, focus on quality at this stage instead of numbers and get the likes of Philogene Bidace to take-up those fringe roles.
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Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2021, 10:20:09 AM
No unless we’ve got a replacement lined up.
Philogene-Bidace?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 12, 2021, 10:26:01 AM
No offence to Nakamba but he was a signing at the level we could attract at the time (championship just scraped promotion premiership potential cannon fodder side). Notwithstanding he may actually turn out ok, I think we'd be fishing in richer waters than "not much better" if we replaced him.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
"I'd rather we went big on someone who will definitely take us up a level (Like a JWP) than throw another £30-£40m on a Nakamba replacement who might not end up being much better."

- Caster Troy

This is genius.  ;)
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Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
"I'd rather we went big on someone who will definitely take us up a level (Like a JWP) than throw another £30-£40m on a Nakamba replacement who might not end up being much better."

- Caster Troy

This is genius.  ;)

Am I missing something but that makes absolutely no sense at all? I assume it’s off Twitter?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 10:59:46 AM
It's off page 505 on my site.  Let's not just spend a club record fee on a replacement for Nakamba...let's go and spend $1billion ;)
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Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2021, 11:07:26 AM
third bid in for JWP apparently, and they have asked about a few of our players.
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Post by: Monty on August 12, 2021, 11:09:31 AM
third bid in for JWP apparently, and they have asked about a few of our players.

First-choice defence (inc. GK), Doug, McGinn, Ollie, JPB and Chucky all off the table, and probably Bert too (though honestly would see how much they'd value him). Everyone else is up for discussion.

(New signings it goes without saying can't move.)
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Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2021, 11:10:43 AM
AEG is one apparently
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
third bid in for JWP apparently, and they have asked about a few of our players.

Where’s this from?
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 11:14:00 AM
With the Jack money we must still have ab absolute bundle of cash to spend.  You can argue we've spent it but nobody would have expected us to have a net nil spend this window, so surely there's £50m + to play with?  I'd like us to go and exploit the financial situation of some of the European clubs and grab a few bargains.

Obviously a DM but I still think we're very weak on the left, unless they think Bailey is the man for that side.  Much as Ghazi has been a good servant to us, I just think he's too inconsistent to be a starter for where we want to be.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 12, 2021, 11:28:59 AM
AEG is one apparently
Mmm, now as much as I was in the "why would we want to get rid of AEG" camp just the other day if he ended up being a sweetener that got JWP here then I am all for it!!
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Post by: OCD on August 12, 2021, 11:39:51 AM
If they're asking about some of our players, something must have changed in order for them to change their position. Has JWP told them he wants to leave? That would be the logical conclusion if it's true.
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Post by: algy on August 12, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
AEG is one apparently
Mmm, now as much as I was in the "why would we want to get rid of AEG" camp just the other day if he ended up being a sweetener that got JWP here then I am all for it!!
I think I'd be happy for AEG to go in the right circumstances, but I don't think there's many "right circumstances".  We've lost that left winger who used to play for us, so getting rid of the only other established, settled player who can play there seems a little rash.

All that said, I think bringing in JWP would be one of those circumstances.  It feels like we don't really have a similar player to him in the club - Marv is the nearest, but he doesn't really offer the goal threat of Ward-Prowse.  I'm not sure if he's a leader or not, but he doesn't strike me as one ... and whilst we have a number of good leaders in the squad, I can't help thinking that having lost Joe, we might do well to bring in another strong personality.

Another positive is that is puts JPB a little close to the first team, and that can only be a good thing for both him & us.
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
I'd be happy with AEG plus cash for JWP.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 12, 2021, 12:02:01 PM
We could also offer them our set piece expert Connor as part of the deal
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Post by: TaxDodger on August 12, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
I think El Ghazi is a very useful player for us - particularly for the first six months of the season when we've got players in his position coming back from injury and Bailey potentially taking time to settle in.

Can't we give them Wesley/Hourihane instead?
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 12:06:52 PM
I think El Ghazi is a very useful player for us - particularly for the first six months of the season when we've got players in his position coming back from injury and Bailey potentially taking time to settle in.

Can't we give them Wesley/Hourihane instead?

Chuck in Davis as well.
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Post by: not3bad on August 12, 2021, 12:08:35 PM
We could try with Hourihane. He does take a good free kick. I think Southampton already have eyes on other strikers or have already signed them so I don't think Wesley is a goer.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
If the deal for JWP is something around £20-25m and AEG then I'd take that then bring in someone younger who wouldn't be expecting to start immediately to cover across the front 4 positions (alvarez would be great).

Then we can concentrate on clearing a couple of squad places by getting Hourihane somewhere and trying to get loans for Wesley and Davis.

Maybe a keeper but I'df be ok with going with what we have there because I really like Sinisalo from what I've seen.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 12, 2021, 12:12:58 PM
Imagine Southampton would only be interested in another acronym . If not AEG, then possibly may have to offer them JPB
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 12:20:28 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
No to JPB for me.  A loan maybe, but I want to keep for for now.
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 12:22:43 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

That would work for me as well. I know he's the kid who's progressed the most, I'm just struggling to see anything special in him.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
I'm more than happy to hang onto the likes of AEG and Nakamba for this season at least but if it makes the difference in signing JWP then off they can go...

Edit: Yeah, or even Ramsey for that matter.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

Not for me, I thought he was excellent in the U23s and last season was always about slowly getting him into the group and giving him experience. I'd like to see how that pans out for the next year or 2 before we make a decision. He's still very young in premier league terms so it would feel like we were writing him off far too quickly.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

Not for me, I thought he was excellent in the U23s and last season was always about slowly getting him into the group and giving him experience. I'd like to see how that pans out for the next year or 2 before we make a decision. He's still very young in premier league terms so it would feel like we were writing him off far too quickly.

You thinking Aaron or Jacob? I don’t see much in Jacob. Aaron I wouldn’t sell.
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Post by: OCD on August 12, 2021, 12:35:29 PM
Bit soon to be writing Ramsay off.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2021, 12:39:16 PM
I wouldn’t write Ramsey off yet.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 12:39:36 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

Not for me, I thought he was excellent in the U23s and last season was always about slowly getting him into the group and giving him experience. I'd like to see how that pans out for the next year or 2 before we make a decision. He's still very young in premier league terms so it would feel like we were writing him off far too quickly.

You thinking Aaron or Jacob? I don’t see much in Jacob. Aaron I wouldn’t sell.

Jacob who has just turned 20 and has a scoring rate (from midfield) of just over 1 in 3 at every level up to the premier league. I find it bizarre that people are already willing to write him off.
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Post by: Mister E on August 12, 2021, 12:47:50 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?
I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.
Not for me, I thought he was excellent in the U23s and last season was always about slowly getting him into the group and giving him experience. I'd like to see how that pans out for the next year or 2 before we make a decision. He's still very young in premier league terms so it would feel like we were writing him off far too quickly.
You thinking Aaron or Jacob? I don’t see much in Jacob. Aaron I wouldn’t sell.
Jacob who has just turned 20 and has a scoring rate (from midfield) of just over 1 in 3 at every level up to the premier league. I find it bizarre that people are already willing to write him off.
I wouldn't be offloading the Ramsey boys at all at this time.
The obvious make-weights are Hourihane, Davis and AEG; maybe Nakamba.
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Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 12:54:23 PM
I think Aaron will overtake his big bro in time but JJ deserves more of a run as a starter in the first-team. Sanson does too though and I'm not sure either are going to get it.
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Post by: not3bad on August 12, 2021, 01:02:37 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

Nah too early to sell him unless we do one of those buyback deals for 2-3 years later.

Surprised Ramsey hasn't been considered for a years loan as we have loads of midfielders when everyone is fit and want to add Ward Prowse to the mix. I wonder if he was ever in the mix to go to Norwich in Buendia deal given they signed Billy Gilmour a few weeks later so obviously wanted a technical ball playing CM.

Be interesting how long into the season we go before Carney overtakes Ramsey in the midfield pecking order.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 01:09:48 PM
Bit soon to be writing Ramsay off.

It's not that I'm really writing him off, it's just that I don't see him contributing much in the next couple of seasons.  If we want totake a teams best player then we may need to make a difficult decision ourselves.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
Jacob needs a season in the championship for me. I think he times his runs into the box well, and could become a very very useful player.

If we let AEG go, there has to be a left sided attacker coming in.
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.

Heaven forbid we end up with Chelsea's success!
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 01:12:43 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.

Heaven forbid we end up with Chelsea's success!

I did think that!
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2021, 01:15:27 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.

They haven't done too bad over the past 15-20 years though have they?

It is nice to think that players with plenty of potential should get a good crack of the whip in all cases and i certainly wouldn't write him off, looks like he's got a career ahead as a PL footballer but if they were to refuse any of our other fringe players and insist on Ramsey as part of any deal to sell JWP i'd sacrifice him for sure. This is all hypothetical of course.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
Also, you can't expect a team to take our cast offs just because it suits us.  Here have Davis and Hourihane who most of us think are pretty shite and give us you best player, capatain and talisman...

So to put it more directly, if the ONLY way Southampton would deal with us for JWP was to include Ramsey in the package, would you go for it?

I would as, much as we may regret it down the line, we need to make progress over the next 2-3 seasons and I think JWP would contribute to that far more than Jacon Ramsey.
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 01:17:02 PM
How would peole feel about Ramsey as a makeweight for JWP?

I know he's one of the kids and looks bright at times, but I don't se him as a 10 and we're pretty stacked in 8's.  I haven't seen him anywhere neary anybody's draft line ups.

Not for me, I thought he was excellent in the U23s and last season was always about slowly getting him into the group and giving him experience. I'd like to see how that pans out for the next year or 2 before we make a decision. He's still very young in premier league terms so it would feel like we were writing him off far too quickly.

You thinking Aaron or Jacob? I don’t see much in Jacob. Aaron I wouldn’t sell.

Jacob who has just turned 20 and has a scoring rate (from midfield) of just over 1 in 3 at every level up to the premier league. I find it bizarre that people are already willing to write him off.

I'm not writing him off, but if we had to use him as a makeweight in a deal for JWP then I could live with it. And we've had loads of kids who tore it up in the youth team and then haven't gone on to be a Premier League success.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 01:25:32 PM
As true as that is I would prefer to not have had the equivalent of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah on the books as teenagers, let them all leave for very little (in real terms) and then watch them win titles and spend £100m+ bringing one back to the club.

How I see it is if we give players 2-3 year contracts at 17-18 then their target in that time is to break through as regulars on the bench. If they do that then they get a new deal and this time it's a 3-5 year deal to establish themselves as part of the squad.

Ramsey has done that first part very well and got a big new contract as his reward. Now we're into the phase of him needing to work out what he needs to be to break through from being a fringe squad player to being genuinely talked about as a regular starter. Letting him go just as he's starting on that path wouldn't be a great message for the players coming through behind him. I'd prefer that we move on fringe players who are a lot older than him, especially given he's 'free' in terms of a squad place.
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Post by: not3bad on August 12, 2021, 01:25:45 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.

Heaven forbid we end up with Chelsea's success!

I did think that!

I think there's a right way and a wrong way to go about things. I'd prefer not to buy success (too explicitly) and I'd prefer us to give our young players a sufficient opportunity to show us their worth.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 01:31:38 PM
As true as that is I would prefer to not have had the equivalent of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah on the books as teenagers, let them all leave for very little (in real terms) and then watch them win titles and spend £100m+ bringing one back to the club.

How I see it is if we give players 2-3 year contracts at 17-18 then their target in that time is to break through as regulars on the bench. If they do that then they get a new deal and this time it's a 3-5 year deal to establish themselves as part of the squad.

Ramsey has done that first part very well and got a big new contract as his reward. Now we're into the phase of him needing to work out what he needs to be to break through from being a fringe squad player to being genuinely talked about as a regular starter. Letting him go just as he's starting on that path wouldn't be a great message for the players coming through behind him. I'd prefer that we move on fringe players who are a lot older than him, especially given he's 'free' in terms of a squad place.
We'd all prefer that, however to our cost over several seasons we've found it's not that easy to move on fringe players.  I just wondered if people would be prepared to make a difficult decision to get in our seemingly number one target.  It seems people aren't ready for that which is fair enough.  Personally, if I had to sacrifce a player who 'may' go on to be as good as JWP to get JWP, in our position right now I'd take it.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 01:35:07 PM
Also, you can't expect a team to take our cast offs just because it suits us.  Here have Davis and Hourihane who most of us think are pretty shite and give us you best player, capatain and talisman...

So to put it more directly, if the ONLY way Southampton would deal with us for JWP was to include Ramsey in the package, would you go for it?

I would as, much as we may regret it down the line, we need to make progress over the next 2-3 seasons and I think JWP would contribute to that far more than Jacon Ramsey.

Honestly I don't know, I think I'd offer them more money and the chance to take him on loan for a year and if that wasn't good enough then walk away. I really like JWP but I wouldn't be letting them dictate to us in a way that takes away a player that we clearly rate.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 01:39:45 PM
As true as that is I would prefer to not have had the equivalent of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah on the books as teenagers, let them all leave for very little (in real terms) and then watch them win titles and spend £100m+ bringing one back to the club.

How I see it is if we give players 2-3 year contracts at 17-18 then their target in that time is to break through as regulars on the bench. If they do that then they get a new deal and this time it's a 3-5 year deal to establish themselves as part of the squad.

Ramsey has done that first part very well and got a big new contract as his reward. Now we're into the phase of him needing to work out what he needs to be to break through from being a fringe squad player to being genuinely talked about as a regular starter. Letting him go just as he's starting on that path wouldn't be a great message for the players coming through behind him. I'd prefer that we move on fringe players who are a lot older than him, especially given he's 'free' in terms of a squad place.
We'd all prefer that, however to our cost over several seasons we've found it's not that easy to move on fringe players.  I just wondered if people would be prepared to make a difficult decision to get in our seemingly number one target.  It seems people aren't ready for that which is fair enough.  Personally, if I had to sacrifce a player who 'may' go on to be as good as JWP to get JWP, in our position right now I'd take it.

The line before the bit you've put in bold is the most important part for me because you're not just sacrificing Ramsey, you're giving, for example, Chuk something to use against us when he's negotiating a new deal in 12months time having, similarly, established himself in our squad over the next season. It's about who we want to be as a club. Purslow has repeatedly said we want to have the best academy and to create our own future, this would be a pivotal moment in showing whether that is true or just empty words to hide behind as we replicate the chelsea and man city model of buying our way there.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
All fair enough.  They probably don't wan't him anyway!

But I think we need to move away from hoping clubs will take our cast offs and being dissapointed when they tell us to f off.
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Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
I'm probably way off on this, but Ramsey seems like part of the 'old' youth set up, before we started hoovering up all the next generation of wonderkids from all and sundry.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 01:59:23 PM
I'm probably way off on this, but Ramsey seems like part of the 'old' youth set up, before we started hoovering up all the next generation of wonderkids from all and sundry.

Maybe, but that is the same setup that produced a £100m player.

All fair enough.  They probably don't wan't him anyway!

But I think we need to move away from hoping clubs will take our cast offs and being dissapointed when they tell us to f off.

I think cast offs is slightly unfair. I'm not sure there's anyone at the club other than Kalinic who deserves that tag which is why I said fringe players instead. These are players that Smith doesn't dislike but that just aren't good enough to play top half regularly. The big difference to the past as well is that the players we're talking about aren't sitting on massive contracts that price them out of moves, AEG and Hourihane this summer aren't anything like us trying to move on McCormack, N'zogbia, Ireland, etc.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2021, 02:00:19 PM
I think Aaron will overtake his big bro in time but JJ deserves more of a run as a starter in the first-team.

I don't mind him on 'The One Show' but he's had his chance....

In other news Norwich have signed Christos Tzolis, a Greek winger, for 10m. Not sure if this impacts the Cantwell situation.
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Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 02:11:51 PM
Isn't that Jacob's nickname - JJ? Or did I imagine/Eastie it ?!
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 02:15:40 PM
It is his nickname.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2021, 02:20:35 PM
Swapping a player who hasn't yet had the chance to fulfill his promise for an established player is Chelsea logic and I'd prefer not to go down that route if possible.

Heaven forbid we end up with Chelsea's success!


That would be dreadful. Screw the plan. I mean where would we put another two European cups, league titles and domestic trophies?

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Post by: Ger Regan on August 12, 2021, 02:30:51 PM
I'm probably way off on this, but Ramsey seems like part of the 'old' youth set up, before we started hoovering up all the next generation of wonderkids from all and sundry.
True, but then so was chukwuemeka. And that other one as paul mentioned.
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Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 02:36:42 PM
I'm probably way off on this, but Ramsey seems like part of the 'old' youth set up, before we started hoovering up all the next generation of wonderkids from all and sundry.
True, but then so was chukwuemeka. And that other one as paul mentioned.

Archer as well and we all know Legion will have a fit if he isn't included in a chat about promising youngsters!
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Post by: rooboy316 on August 12, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
Really interesting discussion. With players like Ramsey though, I don't think they would represent value to us as a makeweight in any deal. Purely because we would rate him more highly than other teams, less aware of his potential. Players like AEG you potentially get a decent fee for, or in the best case scenario, have others value his output and stats more than the other mediocrity in between, that we are more aware of.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 12, 2021, 03:57:05 PM
Lots will still happen between now and the close of the window. Southampton will hold out as long as they need to and likely won’t sell at all unless they have a replacement lined up. But they have done a good job of acknowledging their place in the food chain when you consider who they have sold in the past decade. At the right price JWP will be sold and they will do fine afterwards.

I don't know if you mean this to come accross as it reads, but if that was a City fan talking about us I'd be calling him a arrogant monumental bellend.  Hopefully I've taken it the wrong way.


I totally got what he meant in his post. Southampton have long been 'a selling club' but they have still stayed competitive. They also replace and recruit very well. They remind me of Wimbledon back in the day who for years bought low and sold high whist still being competitive in the Premier League. But as Wimbledon found to their cost the plan isn't totally foolproof over a long period of time.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on August 12, 2021, 04:00:44 PM
I think we'll eventually get JWP late in this window.
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Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2021, 04:20:28 PM
Norwich have just made a signing for left wing. About their 8th of the window. I reckon we'll get Cantwell too.
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Post by: Stu on August 12, 2021, 04:25:37 PM
Richard O'Kelly has left apparently??
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Post by: Dr Butler on August 12, 2021, 04:37:00 PM
Richard O'Kelly has left apparently??

yep he has left...

UTV
The Doc
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Post by: Villa Lew on August 12, 2021, 05:04:47 PM
I think we'll eventually get JWP late in this window.

The Beeb are saying that Spurs are expected to make a bid for him as well as us.
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Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2021, 05:13:53 PM
On the subject of Jacob Ramsey I thought in his brief cameo at the weekend he looked a bit bigger & stronger than last season.  I think if we get another midfielder in then Hourihane will leave permanently  and Jacob will go out on loan to a Championship  team & we can see how he develops
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 06:09:35 PM
Norwich have just made a signing for left wing. About their 8th of the window. I reckon we'll get Cantwell too.

Cantwell and Dacoure would be fine. Left sided attacker and bigger holding mid. JWP isn't going anywhere this window. It would be suicide from Southampton. We will wait it out.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
Norwich have just made a signing for left wing. About their 8th of the window. I reckon we'll get Cantwell too.

Cantwell and Dacoure would be fine. Left sided attacker and bigger holding mid. JWP isn't going anywhere this window. It would be suicide from Southampton. We will wait it out.

Yep, would round us off nicely, except I reckon we should sign Doucorre instead ;)
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Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
Even in Grammar school I was in remedial spelling at lunch times lol
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Post by: Alex77 on August 12, 2021, 06:55:49 PM
Norwich have just made a signing for left wing. About their 8th of the window. I reckon we'll get Cantwell too.

Cantwell and Dacoure would be fine. Left sided attacker and bigger holding mid. JWP isn't going anywhere this window. It would be suicide from Southampton. We will wait it out.

Yep, would round us off nicely, except I reckon we should sign Doucorre instead ;)

Yep. One's good the other is just OK!
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Post by: Dave on August 12, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Norwich have just made a signing for left wing. About their 8th of the window. I reckon we'll get Cantwell too.

Cantwell and Dacoure would be fine. Left sided attacker and bigger holding mid. JWP isn't going anywhere this window. It would be suicide from Southampton. We will wait it out.

Yep, would round us off nicely, except I reckon we should sign Doucorre instead ;)

Doucouré. I mean, if you're going to quibble the spelling, it's not the best look to then end up no closer to the correct version ;-)

On a tangent (because ozz's reminded me of Olivier Dacourt), I read the other day that if you made a starting eleven for each clubs most expensive signing in every position, Seth Johnson and Dacourt would still be starting in central midfield for Leeds.

(ours is basically our current first team, with Sanson in for McGinn).
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 08:30:17 PM
Haha OK my bad, but even if we signed Dacourt it would be OK 😊
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Post by: ExclDawg on August 13, 2021, 02:19:40 AM
Signing D'accord would just be okay, but signing Lemieux would be best.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 13, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
It’s being reported Potter down at Brighton has said he’s unsure on Bissouma future. If true, we should be all over that for the Defensive midfielder we need.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Yes, please!!
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Post by: andyh on August 13, 2021, 11:44:48 AM
It’s being reported Potter down at Brighton has said he’s unsure on Bissouma future. If true, we should be all over that for the Defensive midfielder we need.
Without a doubt
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 11:49:45 AM
This is all I can find:
"I seem to have been speaking about Yves Bissouma for quite sometime," said Potter,
"But he’s still here. I can’t control the future. Yves is with us, he’s happy and smiling, he wants to play and keep on improving his career.

"He’s our player and while he’s here we will do our best to help him."
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2021, 12:02:38 PM
This is all I can find:
"I seem to have been speaking about Yves Bissouma for quite sometime," said Potter,
"But he’s still here. I can’t control the future. Yves is with us, he’s happy and smiling, he wants to play and keep on improving his career.

"He’s our player and while he’s here we will do our best to help him."

He's been linked with Liverpool and Arsenal all summer.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
He's Brighton's James Ward-Prowse, then?  The end of window prices in England seem to be going through the roof.  I think we are more likely to be looking in Europe.  Just watched the obligatory Doucore youtube clips, looks like a solid piece of timber with a decent right peg, too.  Looks as though his limbs are too long if you know what I mean, but the footage may be a couple of years old and he is young still. 
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Post by: nigel on August 13, 2021, 12:56:58 PM
Apparently Chucky’s brother incoming
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 13, 2021, 01:05:27 PM
Signing D'accord would just be okay, but signing Lemieux would be best.
Unlike Pire s  who certainly didn't improve the team
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Post by: jwarry on August 13, 2021, 01:17:12 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent
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Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent

To be fair if I had just been given an extra £100m to spend, everyone knew it and I was getting quoted stupid prices for my targets I'd say something similar.
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2021, 01:27:13 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent
To be fair if I had just been given an extra £100m to spend, everyone knew it and I was getting quoted stupid prices for my targets I'd say something similar.
I'm sure there'll be one more in and 2 or 3 out.
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Post by: OCD on August 13, 2021, 01:51:10 PM
Standard manager speak. Doesn't stop someone coming in after they've said things like that. End of the day, there's more than 2 weeks of the window left and we've got £100m available for anyone that we feel we can get without paying OTT prices.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 13, 2021, 01:57:12 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.
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Post by: frank black on August 13, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.

I would expect that it was probably well known by those that matter that he was likely off. So we did the right thing by replacing him before he left. It will be interesting to see whether we actually spend significantly more than we’ve got for Grealish
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Post by: London Villan on August 13, 2021, 02:02:52 PM
I wonder if the owners are holding the cash just to see how Dean does without Grealish, Terry and now O'Kelly.
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Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2021, 02:03:15 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.

I would expect that it was probably well known by those that matter that he was likely off. So we did the right thing by replacing him before he left. It will be interesting to see whether we actually spend significantly more than we’ve got for Grealish

I agree. Here's your 40m, no fussing about, thank you very much.
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Post by: john e on August 13, 2021, 02:21:40 PM
It’s being reported Potter down at Brighton has said he’s unsure on Bissouma future. If true, we should be all over that for the Defensive midfielder we need.
Without a doubt

I don’t mind taking my car down to pick him up if it helps
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2021, 02:27:08 PM
I wonder if the owners are holding the cash just to see how Dean does without Grealish, Terry and now O'Kelly.


Almost certainly not. If they had that little faith in him he’d be gone.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 02:42:34 PM
Odegaard to Arsenal is apparently still 'live', so Bissouma...?!
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Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.

I would expect that it was probably well known by those that matter that he was likely off. So we did the right thing by replacing him before he left. It will be interesting to see whether we actually spend significantly more than we’ve got for Grealish

I don't think Buendia was ever meant to be a replacement. He was signed to fill the Barkley gap that had been there since about November when Barkley stopped trying to fill it. That's not saying we didn't think Grealish leaving was a possibility I just think we planned on signing him either way. Bailey and Ings are more likely to be the players we signed as 'replacement' for him because they clearly escalated once it became clear we'd need them. I think the chase of ESR was more likely the planning to replace him and when that didn't happen Bailey was the backup. Ings is slightly different, I get the impression that we had striker options lined up for whether he stayed or went and when we knew he was going we triggered that option. I think Alvarez, Correa and a couple of other younger strikers we've seen linked were the 'Jack stays' plan.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2021, 02:57:18 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent

That’s not exactly a firm “we’re done”.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent

That’s not exactly a firm “we’re done”.

I thought ir sounded more as though we are happy that we have dealt with the direct impact of the departures, I'm thinking Tuanzebe for Engels, obviously!  Midfield is obviously an issue, unless the powers that be have decided to wait.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
I’d be very surprised, and disappointed, if we’re done. I don’t think we are.
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Post by: villadelph on August 13, 2021, 03:09:21 PM
I’d be very surprised, and disappointed, if we’re done. I don’t think we are.

There are way too many random links to be done.

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Post by: KRS on August 13, 2021, 03:46:01 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.

I would expect that it was probably well known by those that matter that he was likely off. So we did the right thing by replacing him before he left. It will be interesting to see whether we actually spend significantly more than we’ve got for Grealish

I don't think Buendia was ever meant to be a replacement. He was signed to fill the Barkley gap that had been there since about November when Barkley stopped trying to fill it. That's not saying we didn't think Grealish leaving was a possibility I just think we planned on signing him either way. Bailey and Ings are more likely to be the players we signed as 'replacement' for him because they clearly escalated once it became clear we'd need them. I think the chase of ESR was more likely the planning to replace him and when that didn't happen Bailey was the backup. Ings is slightly different, I get the impression that we had striker options lined up for whether he stayed or went and when we knew he was going we triggered that option. I think Alvarez, Correa and a couple of other younger strikers we've seen linked were the 'Jack stays' plan.
Pretty sure I recall someone at the club saying that Buendia would have been signed regardless of Grealish staying or going due to our over reliance on one player. There’s probably a quote online somewhere to that effect.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2021, 03:54:42 PM
I’d be very surprised, and disappointed, if we’re done. I don’t think we are.

There are way too many random links to be done.

Well, we seem to have bid for JWP a couple of times and not actually bought anyone in that position yet, so presumably still looking or bidding.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
I’d be very surprised, and disappointed, if we’re done. I don’t think we are.

There are way too many random links to be done.

Well, we seem to have bid for JWP a couple of times and not actually bought anyone in that position yet, so presumably still looking or bidding.

Yeah I’d assume that’s the case. I’d also expect us to be looking at a sub keeper.
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2021, 04:10:47 PM
Bringing Bendia in 'early doors' left us slightly ahead of the game when it came to Jack leaving.
I would expect that it was probably well known by those that matter that he was likely off. So we did the right thing by replacing him before he left. It will be interesting to see whether we actually spend significantly more than we’ve got for Grealish
I don't think Buendia was ever meant to be a replacement. He was signed to fill the Barkley gap that had been there since about November when Barkley stopped trying to fill it. That's not saying we didn't think Grealish leaving was a possibility I just think we planned on signing him either way. Bailey and Ings are more likely to be the players we signed as 'replacement' for him because they clearly escalated once it became clear we'd need them. I think the chase of ESR was more likely the planning to replace him and when that didn't happen Bailey was the backup. Ings is slightly different, I get the impression that we had striker options lined up for whether he stayed or went and when we knew he was going we triggered that option. I think Alvarez, Correa and a couple of other younger strikers we've seen linked were the 'Jack stays' plan.
Absolutely how I see it: Buendia was always a purchase - shame we cannot see the two of them together.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2021, 04:19:47 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent

That’s not exactly a firm “we’re done”.



yep and if we do sign someone they normally come out with ‘ there was an opportunity to sign …… and we thought it prudent’
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 13, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
Deans poker face is not great 😂 we are not done
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 13, 2021, 05:13:28 PM
If we are done with transfers then I would actually be a little disappointed to come out of it breaking even (or there abouts). If we're serious about pressing on we need to spend £50-£70 million on a holding and a central midfielder. Fitting that JWP and the Lad from the French league fit the bill in terms of what we need and within budget.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 13, 2021, 05:22:06 PM
Depends if we can get the players we want for the right price. I know everyone just wants us to throw money at clubs but realistically we may have to wait 6+ months if their clubs don't want to let them go and will only sell for silly money. Every club apart from the Man City's has to do that.
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Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2021, 07:36:16 PM
I read his comments as being happy with what we've done so far, but that doesn't mean that we've stopped.
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Post by: CT Villan on August 13, 2021, 07:45:10 PM
I read his comments as being happy with what we've done so far, but that doesn't mean that we've stopped.

That's how I took it too.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Smith is at the Brentford-Arsenal game.

One more bid for Emile Smith-Rowe while we're there and they'll crack.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2021, 08:17:47 PM
Smith is at the Brentford-Arsenal game.

One more bid for Emile Smith-Rowe while we're there and they'll crack.

Couldn’t keep a straight face at his press conference when asked about JWP while trotting out the old ‘I never talk about other clubs’ players’ line.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2021, 08:22:49 PM
Yes, he said "I Can't Well talk about other clubs' players".
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2021, 08:39:47 PM
ESR had been anonymous at Brentford so far...
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Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2021, 08:57:50 PM
While I think Smith does want to sign more players in this window I think he is also prepared to stick if the right deal doesn't come up.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2021, 09:00:49 PM
Yes, he said "I Can't Well talk about other clubs' players".


where super fookin Pep talked about harry kane last week but won’t this week .  he is a different class you know
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2021, 09:01:03 PM
Yes, he said "I Can't Well talk about other clubs' players".

Yes. And ‘other clubs are Ward-ing off our interest’.
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Post by: Des Little on August 13, 2021, 09:03:04 PM
I still think we’ll get a couple in, plus a keeper.
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Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2021, 09:05:28 PM
He's probably happy with the way we've approached other deals too. Without landing them yet.
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Post by: Risso on August 13, 2021, 11:13:18 PM
Dean said in his presser that ‘we are  quite satisfied with where we are at the moment’ on the transfer front which seems to indicate nothing is imminent

That’s not exactly a firm “we’re done”.

He was asked if there'd be any more incomings, and said "No, we're satisfied with where we are." The no made it sound a lot more definite that we're done.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
Not to be picky, but according to the Villa website, Smith didn't say no.  He said: 'we're quite satisfied with where we are with the squad at the moment'.  I'm satisfied too, for today, but come Monday, I want us to be heavily involved with a couple more players incoming please!
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Post by: OCD on August 14, 2021, 12:10:20 AM
Even if Smith had started the sentence with 'No', I would have put it down to the way he speaks.

ESR still looked quality to me, I can see why we were in for him. We move on though, good to see Arsenal get beaten and still showing historic vulnerabilities.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 07:48:54 AM
I think if we've offered 25m for JWP then its not gonna happen.  i'd imagine as far as Southampton are concerned prices have been ratboyed. He's 26, on a long contract, on the edge of the England squad, they don't want to sell him, I'd be looking at 50+m if I was them.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 08:01:07 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:07:46 AM
If we take them at their word that they got in the ratboy replacements before we sold him then that sort of hints that they realised clubs would try and take us for a ride once we sold him. Cantwell for 40m anyone? Just bad value I think. I'm not sure about the whole FPP thing. Some people say its been relaxed or is dead, but i'm still seeing articles about the likes of Man City and Chelsea looking to offload players to meet FFP.
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Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2021, 08:10:12 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 14, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.
100mil in against 90 which is amortised over 4+ years so a 20mil cost per year. Don’t see how FFP can be an issue.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2021, 08:26:10 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

Exactly, there’s no point buying players for the sake of it, squad fillers that block the progress of the youngsters. The players we’ve signed so far give us more options in defence, midfield and attack. If we can improve the squad then great, but I think we’ll be competitive as we are.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2021, 08:31:48 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

Smith also said that Grealish didnt have a release clause, its all smoke and mirrors. Theres no way were going to play our transfer strategy out in public.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:35:34 AM
I can only see us getting another player from abroad personally where the value is. I mean 25m for JWP. There's lowballing a club and there's coming in hopelessly below the market price.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2021, 08:52:16 AM
I do think that a big defence midfield unit is pretty essential to us improving or maybe even challenging for europe, seeing as we only have 1 player for that position in the squad and who is ok but only really squad player level for upper PL standards. I'm sure they'll be trying but i do agree that they need to get a player that is a definate step up and if they can't they shouldn't buy for the sake of it.

Otherwise a bit more cover wouldn't hurt goalkeeper wise and central/attacking midfield but at this stage isn't essential, just see what presents itself and it could be an area to look at in Jan. We are all good otherwise.
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Post by: frank black on August 14, 2021, 09:15:06 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.
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Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.

I'm not suggesting we don't need anyone else, because we do but like Chris said, there's no point in just buying anybody for the sake of it. If you think after spending nearly £90m this window we lack ambition, then you are slowly turning into an Arsenal Tarquin.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 14, 2021, 09:26:30 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.

I don't think Brighton see Bissouma as available.  Similarly Southampton with Ward-Prowse.  Nobody is prepared to flog their best assets as the start of the season with little time to find a replacement.
Anguissa would probably be available in terms of having made it clear he isn't too keen to play in the Championship, is he the player we want?  Lens have Doucore who is young and probably only described as available as French football is broken.

  We don't have Champions League football to offer, we are, outwardly, a mid table Premiership side with aspirations of pushing the top 8 or a little higher this season.  If we click our fingers it won't bring the best talents of European football running, unfortunately.
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Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 09:40:23 AM
Not to be picky, but according to the Villa website, Smith didn't say no.  He said: 'we're quite satisfied with where we are with the squad at the moment'.  I'm satisfied too, for today, but come Monday, I want us to be heavily involved with a couple more players incoming please!

Well he says it in the actual real life interview, very clearly.
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Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 09:41:41 AM
I do think we’re a really good central midfielder short at the moment.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2021, 09:47:13 AM
I’d like to think we are still in for an attacking wide midfielder as well as a CM


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Post by: WarszaVillan on August 14, 2021, 09:47:25 AM
If we had bought Sanson this summer, and not before schedule during the last transfer window, I think a lot of us would think we'd be done with our spending now.  I guess the questions are does Smith think that Nakamba and Louis are at the level needed to fill the defensive midfielder role and will Sanson prove to be a quality midfield addition.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 14, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
Not to be picky, but according to the Villa website, Smith didn't say no.  He said: 'we're quite satisfied with where we are with the squad at the moment'.  I'm satisfied too, for today, but come Monday, I want us to be heavily involved with a couple more players incoming please!

Well he says it in the actual real life interview, very clearly.

He does often start the answer to most questions with either, "yeah, no..." or "no, yeah".
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Post by: garyellis on August 14, 2021, 10:08:53 AM
I can’t see what’s changed from the start of the window.
We were told to expect two or three (my interpretation) quality additions. Given what we spent on Buendia I would see that be to be around £70m to £80m.
It’s also clear that we want JWP and I am sure if he agitates for a move and the price is right we will buy him. Ignore the £25m bollocks we bid more than that for an unproven premier league kid earlier in the window.
Now we have an additional £100m which everyone knows about but we will not pay inflated fees on the back of it. We have a number of windows to use that cash it’s important we maximise the impact it has going forward.
We can’t afford to act like kiddies in a sweet shop with a kind aunties pocket money boost!
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 14, 2021, 10:33:44 AM
There are very few clubs that are in buy mode, many need to sell. We are in a strong position. It might come down to the final few days when clubs have to cash in.
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Post by: frank black on August 14, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.

I'm not suggesting we don't need anyone else, because we do but like Chris said, there's no point in just buying anybody for the sake of it. If you think after spending nearly £90m this window we lack ambition, then you are slowly turning into an Arsenal Tarquin.

? We’ve just spent 90 mil from a player sale, why does that make me a Tarquin. Strange comment, spending within our means is sensible, but not a sign of ambition. So yes if we did just reinvest the Grealish monies most would be disappointed.
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Post by: frank black on August 14, 2021, 10:41:56 AM
There are very few clubs that are in buy mode, many need to sell. We are in a strong position. It might come down to the final few days when clubs have to cash in.

Absolutely, my thoughts exactly.
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Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.

I'm not suggesting we don't need anyone else, because we do but like Chris said, there's no point in just buying anybody for the sake of it. If you think after spending nearly £90m this window we lack ambition, then you are slowly turning into an Arsenal Tarquin.

? We’ve just spent 90 mil from a player sale, why does that make me a Tarquin. Strange comment, spending within our means is sensible, but not a sign of ambition. So yes if we did just reinvest the Grealish monies most would be disappointed.

Because you are accusing the club of lacking ambition if we don't do what you want and sign another player. It's straying into Tarquin territory.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2021, 10:54:51 AM
In fairness, you can't say that spending £90 million shows ambition when we have received £100 million. However, I'd say the previous seasons put their ambition beyond doubt. I still reckon we will sign at least one player by the end of the transfer window and, if we don't, we have money to strengthen in January if need be.

If the manager/Board have decided there is no value this year because clubs like Southampton and Norwich want ridiculous money for their players and we would rather wait than get ripped off, that isn't the end of the world, either.

Still, personally I'd rather spend big. While the threat of the Super League remains, every year we go without qualifying for the Champions League increases the chance that we might never play in it.
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Post by: DC1874 on August 14, 2021, 10:58:13 AM
I think we are at a very precarious point in the NSWE journey. The teams we want to catch and overtake are now saying "Fuck FFP". Put simply we have to do the same or the penny will drop in certain players minds i.e. Martinez, Mings, Watkins that next summer is the time for them to "do a Grealish". We drew a line and Shitty crossed it - once over the Rubicon what's to stop the other legions of the Scab 6 to do the same?
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Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2021, 11:17:09 AM
We still have a few likely to leave. Guilbert, Hourihane, Wesley and maybe even Nakamba (if the long awaited DCM comes in) and AEG possibly. Smith has said a few likely to leave on loan which I presume are the first three but we could look to cash in on the last two possibly.

Lots of personnel change in the squad this summer.

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Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
Not to be picky, but according to the Villa website, Smith didn't say no.  He said: 'we're quite satisfied with where we are with the squad at the moment'.  I'm satisfied too, for today, but come Monday, I want us to be heavily involved with a couple more players incoming please!

Well he says it in the actual real life interview, very clearly.

He does often start the answer to most questions with either, "yeah, no..." or "no, yeah".

This wasn't the case there though, he was asked a specific question, and very clearly answered "no, we're satisfied with where we are."
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Post by: frank black on August 14, 2021, 11:22:05 AM
Smith said that the money from Ratboy allowed us to sign Bailey and Ings. If we end up not spending another penny this summer, IMO our ambition doesn't appear quite what is being exclaimed, unless FPP has caught up with us.

If we don't spend anymore money, it might not have anything to do with ambition but maybe the players we want not being available. We've spent nearly £90m so far this window. That's hardly a lack of ambition.

It certainly will be, based upon receiving 100 mil. I would hope we get a really good central midfielder in, which would be vital if we are to trouble the top 5-8 positions. If Bissouma is available, he would be ideal.

I'm not suggesting we don't need anyone else, because we do but like Chris said, there's no point in just buying anybody for the sake of it. If you think after spending nearly £90m this window we lack ambition, then you are slowly turning into an Arsenal Tarquin.

? We’ve just spent 90 mil from a player sale, why does that make me a Tarquin. Strange comment, spending within our means is sensible, but not a sign of ambition. So yes if we did just reinvest the Grealish monies most would be disappointed.

Because you are accusing the club of lacking ambition if we don't do what you want and sign another player. It's straying into Tarquin territory.

I’m not accusing them of lacking ambition, I’m simply stating that spending what you have coming in is not a sign of ambition, whereas you stated in your first point that spending 90mil this summer is a sign of ambition.
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Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2021, 11:26:05 AM
'Not a sign of ambition' sounds pretty much like saying  'lacking ambition' to me. There's not a great deal of difference.

£90m is a lot of money regardless of where its come from. A few years ago we couldnt even pay the tax man.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
I think I’d look at the players themselves rather than the figures.

Buendia - wanted by a direct competitor, with a relatively recent record of success. Picked Villa - good sign.

Bailey - serious talent who has been linked with lots of top clubs.

Ings - clearly wanted to step up a level and sees Villa as matching his ambitions.

These players wouldn’t be going to a club that hadn’t sold them and ambitious vision.

Now in my view, as others have said, we still need a quality addition in centre mid and a back up keeper. But I think we’ll deliver that.
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Post by: john e on August 14, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
With a couple of weeks left in the transfer market the best way of attracting top players is to win our first matches convincingly, starting today
Show we mean business so we are ambitious from the start

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Post by: Monty on August 14, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
We know full well that the club, Dean included, straight up lie with bare faces and clean consciences where ongoing transfers are concerned. Nothing they say in the media regarding moves should be listened to really.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 14, 2021, 11:53:13 AM
I think we are at a very precarious point in the NSWE journey. The teams we want to catch and overtake are now saying "Fuck FFP". Put simply we have to do the same or the penny will drop in certain players minds i.e. Martinez, Mings, Watkins that next summer is the time for them to "do a Grealish". We drew a line and Shitty crossed it - once over the Rubicon what's to stop the other legions of the Scab 6 to do the same?

If we have players under contract then if a top player gets poached,the other club will have to pay an exorbitant fee which will only be afforded by Citeh,Man U,Chelsea and possibly Liverpool.
Leicester lost  stars like Mahrez,Kante ,Maguire ,Chilwell and er.. Drinkwater to those clubs but they have prospered.
Developing young players and signing players who can improve with the club like Watkins,Luiz,Cash,Targett,Konsa and Bailey means the club will continue to progress.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2021, 12:14:24 PM
Seems to be some talk of us signing Chukwuemeka snr from Northampton.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 14, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
Not too worried about another GK. The ones we've been linked with so far are all a lot worse than Steer, so presumably 3rd choice. If we don't get one, Sinisalo can cover.

Would like someone to compete on the left wing and definitely a CM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2021, 12:24:06 PM
Seems to be some talk of us signing Chukwuemeka snr from Northampton.

Highly coveted though his current first team record doesn't look great. Still, would probably be cheap and if it works, great. If not, you haven't lost much. I think this would also help persuade Carney, who looks destined for the top, that his future lies at Villa so would be a sensible acquisition all round.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 12:31:17 PM

I think we are at a very precarious point in the NSWE journey. The teams we want to catch and overtake are now saying "Fuck FFP". Put simply we have to do the same or the penny will drop in certain players minds i.e. Martinez, Mings, Watkins that next summer is the time for them to "do a Grealish". We drew a line and Shitty crossed it - once over the Rubicon what's to stop the other legions of the Scab 6 to do the same?

If we have players under contract then if a top player gets poached,the other club will have to pay an exorbitant fee which will only be afforded by Citeh,Man U,Chelsea and possibly Liverpool.
Leicester lost  stars like Mahrez,Kante ,Maguire ,Chilwell and er.. Drinkwater to those clubs but they have prospered.
Developing young players and signing players who can improve with the club like Watkins,Luiz,Cash,Targett,Konsa and Bailey means the club will continue to progress.
You're always gonna lose top players. Even if we make top4, clubs like City aren't going to say "well we better leave them alone now". Would take us 10 years or more of winning stuff and qualifying for the CL to get to that point where very few clubs will look on us as a smaller fish. Trick at this stage is buying players who will be 1st teamers so we don't stand still and being ruthless with the existing players. That was the problem with MON, not that we lost players but that he stopped improving the rest of the 1st team and just bought loads of squad players instead. I would hope Dean is looking for an upgrade for half of the current 1st team over the next couple of seasons if they don't improve.
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 14, 2021, 01:10:16 PM
Sources: West Ham set sights on signing Aston Villa star Hause

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-west-ham-set-sights-on-signing-aston-villa-star-hause/

A West Ham source has told Football Insider that Hause, 26, has been added to their target list amid indications he could be available

It's a no from me as finding another left-footed centre half who is quick and good in the air would be a problem. (Unless they pay north of £35m)
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Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2021, 01:17:22 PM
I would be surprised. Yesterday Smith mentioned Hause (and Tuanzebe) specifically as players who he wants to push the first team starters ahead of them.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 14, 2021, 01:31:20 PM
"Aston Villa‘s transfer activity this summer shows no signs of subsiding, with the Premier League club reportedly set to launch a move for versatile Atletico Madrid defender Mario Hermoso.

According to Gol Digital...

His displays caught the eye of Atletico Madrid, who snapped him up in 2019. Hermoso has since featured 61 times for Diego Simeone’s side in all competitions. He was instrumental in their La Liga triumph last season, making 31 appearances across multiple positions.

But it’s his versatility that stands out. He is equally comfortable playing at centre-back or on the left side of a back-four."


£25m  is the quoted price.

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Post by: OCD on August 14, 2021, 01:46:31 PM
I've seen a few articles linking Hermoso. I can't see it happening with 4 central defenders on the books and kids coming through.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 02:08:15 PM
Young and El Ghazi starting on the wings shows we are a creative wide player short still
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Young and El Ghazi starting on the wings shows we are a creative wide player short still

Traore, Bailey and Philogene-Bidace on the bench - looks pretty strong to me! Maybe another left sided player if El Ghazi goes (Cantwell hopefully), but we have a stronger set of wingers than almost anyone in the league.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
I've seen a few articles linking Hermoso. I can't see it happening with 4 central defenders on the books and kids coming through.
Hause being linked with a move to West Ham.
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Post by: nigel on August 14, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Seems to be some talk of us signing Chukwuemeka snr from Northampton.

Highly coveted though his current first team record doesn't look great. Still, would probably be cheap and if it works, great. If not, you haven't lost much. I think this would also help persuade Carney, who looks destined for the top, that his future lies at Villa so would be a sensible acquisition all round.

Yes, mentioned it a few pages back.
Was the last post on the page, so, like most last on page posts, wasn’t really noticed 🙄
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
I've seen a few articles linking Hermoso. I can't see it happening with 4 central defenders on the books and kids coming through.
Hause being linked with a move to West Ham.

Rather he stayed. I think he only has a year left on his contract, so it may be we would take a decent offer if he is stalling and looking for a first team spot. Would explain why we are being linked with Hermoso, who would put Mings on the bench potentially.
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Post by: olaftab on August 14, 2021, 02:51:31 PM
Young and El Ghazi starting on the wings shows we are a creative wide player short still
Or not match fit?
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Post by: algy on August 14, 2021, 03:04:37 PM
Young and El Ghazi starting on the wings shows we are a creative wide player short still
Or not match fit?
Yeah, I don't think it shows that at all. Bailey and Traore aren't match fit yet, neither is Ollie who could potentially play in a wider position. So you're looking at our 4th and 5th choice of players in those positions imo.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 03:15:25 PM
None of those players put their foot on the ball and keep hold of it effectively. That's what we lack, and we will struggle without getting someone in there.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
A DM is essential.

I would bid for Sarr too.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
McGinn and Nakamba are great if we want to continue finishing lower mid-table.  I do suspect though that McGinn might actually be a bit better with a stronger, ball winning midfielder next to him. 
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
McGinn and Nakamba are great if we want to continue finishing lower mid-table.  I do suspect though that McGinn might actually be a bit better with a stronger, ball winning midfielder next to him.

Neither of them good enough IMO. I’d get JWP and someone like Bissouma in, and Cantwell. I’d sell either/both of Nakamba or McGinn if we’re worried about money/FFP.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 14, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
In the clubs own words we've replaced Grealish with the three players and added Ashley Young. So really we're on Ashley Young stronger than last season
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Post by: Villan82 on August 14, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
We need to spend another £60-£70m We need a good DM and we need another wide man with pace.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 14, 2021, 04:52:14 PM
Sign more players.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2021, 04:52:42 PM
Well, we still need that midfield sorting.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2021, 04:55:48 PM
Well, we still need that midfield sorting.
we need a destroyer and a calm head who can control a game
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Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2021, 05:11:40 PM
Well, we still need that midfield sorting.
we need a destroyer and a calm head who can control a game

We need a player who is both of those things.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
In short term I'd just call Luiz off holiday.

It's not ideal but Everton played Richarlison today and he scored.

Luiz even with his inconsistancy is just a higher class of player compared to Nakamba.

He was our DM from September-January last season and indeed in the good run in to stay up so has shown he can play the position well for months.

I certainly agree there's 0% chance after how it looked today we won't sign another CM in the next three weeks. Just not convinced Ward Prowse is the answer to all our issues there.

For what we'll pay to sign him there's many midfielders in europe who can press and score the odd free kick or indeed score from open play for less than 40m.
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Post by: OCD on August 14, 2021, 05:14:45 PM
Think Luiz is back in training Monday anyway.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
In short term I'd just call Luiz off holiday.

It's not ideal but Everton played Richarlison today and he scored.

Luiz even with his inconsistancy is just a higher class of player compared to Nakamba.

He was our DM from September-January last season and indeed in the good run in to stay up so has shown he can play the position well for months.

I certainly agree there's 0% chance after how it looked today we won't sign another CM in the next three weeks. Just not convinced Ward Prowse is the answer to all our issues there.

For what we'll pay to sign him there's many midfielders in europe who can press and score the odd free kick or indeed score from open play for less than 40m.

Luiz joins back up with the squad on Monday according to DS.
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Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2021, 05:24:54 PM
Why did he get more holiday time than Richarlison?

Not that Luiz would have made much difference today. The type of game he would have picked-up a stupid yellow card or two.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 05:26:30 PM
Luiz and Sanson to come back still doesn’t give us that control and ball winning ability. Both need to play further forward and are not holding midfielders.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2021, 05:31:02 PM
Top drawer DM and CAM by mid-week please. Its not as if we've waited long for then is it!!
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Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2021, 05:40:55 PM
We haven't spent any extra money than the £100m received for JG. DS simply has to address the DM debacle NOW!
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Post by: Matt C on August 14, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
The need for more quality in the middle of the park is there for all to see. We know it and I’m sure the club does. Fingers crossed they can address it before the end of the month.
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Post by: Small Rodent on August 14, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
They’ve never reacted in the past when we only had one striker, so why now?
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Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2021, 05:44:53 PM
We are probably paying out a fair bit more in wages though which is being ignored amidst all the "Our net spend is zero/-£10m" talk. 

Nas and Wes might feel that Dean has to produce results with the funding put in so far.
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Post by: DC1874 on August 14, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
But the problem is there is a serious issue with the midfield that I think Ratboy was papering over the cracks of. If the owners baulk at any further spending then I suspect we'll revert to lower mid table this season and I can see Watkins off to Spuds, for starters, once they have £120M + for Kane :-(
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 14, 2021, 06:13:42 PM
If the owners baulk at any further spending then I suspect we'll revert to lower mid table this season and I can see Watkins off to Spuds, for starters, once they have £120M + for Kane :-(

Cheers for the comedy, needed a laugh after the disappointing result earlier. ;D
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 06:21:25 PM
As we knew midfield addition(s) are a must.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 06:30:41 PM
As we knew midfield addition(s) are a must.

My concern is that we were saying this about a backup for Ollie last season, and Smith stuck with it. We were also saying the same about midfield last season for that matter, but we had a world class player that masked the issue most of the time.

I suspect the club is looking for a better DM as plenty of links lately, lets hope we get one and they hit the ground running.

Also I think we need to replace Terry, as the defence was appalling today.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 06:39:12 PM
JWP would immediately help solve our problems with pressing the opposition.
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Post by: pelty on August 14, 2021, 07:02:35 PM
Watching Cantwell and he looks gash. Certainly not worth the money being quoted.
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Post by: Ads on August 14, 2021, 07:04:03 PM
Our midfield is best appraised as total wank.
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Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
I think you can always tell what a manager feels about his midfield by the amount of long ball the team plays. Villa play quite a bit.
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Post by: john e on August 14, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
I think you can always tell what a manager feels about his midfield by the amount of long ball the team plays. Villa play quite a bit.

In fairness it does have to go across the Back line 3 or four times first
and back to the goalkeeper a few more times before that long ball is played
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Just dropping the 4-2-3-1 wank would help enourmously
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 07:55:42 PM
Buendia and Bailey are going to be our go to wide options with Traore and Ghazi as backup. At that point, our central options need addressing. A holding mid and a real 8/10 that can carry a threat and create. We were horrible today.
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Post by: London Villan on August 14, 2021, 07:57:22 PM
Buendia and Bailey are going to be our go to wide options with Traore and Ghazi as backup. At that point, our central options need addressing. A holding mid and a real 8/10 that can carry a threat and create. We were horrible today.

Then who do you play out of ollie and mings?
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 14, 2021, 08:01:15 PM
I’m not altogether sure we can play Watkins, Ings, Buendia and Bailey all at the same time unless we’re chasing a game and I’m pretty damn sure Watkins and Ings will both be in the team usually, unless the plan is to rotate the 4 for 3 positions. Buendia will have to up his game to justify being picked over the other 3 based on today though.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 08:05:23 PM
I wouldn’t leap to judge Buendia, he’s a cracking player.
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Post by: Risso on August 14, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
I think you can always tell what a manager feels about his midfield by the amount of long ball the team plays. Villa play quite a bit.

He's played Luiz and McGinn in front of the back two for the last two seasons, and it hasn't really worked consistently. Of course we've had some great results, but almost despite those two and not usually because of them. McGinn showed what he is good at today, getting forward and getting shots off on the edge of the area. A defensive sitter he is not.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.
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Post by: Monty on August 14, 2021, 08:09:42 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

It was two up front in the first half today, and we were absolutely horrible with enormous gaps between the lines, no link up through the middle and constant space behind an outnumbered and outbattled midfield duo. I don't see how 4-4-2 is at all a good idea.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2021, 08:11:09 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

It was two up front in the first half today, and we were absolutely horrible with enormous gaps between the lines, no link up through the middle and constant space behind an outnumbered and outbattled midfield duo. I don't see how 4-4-2 is at all a good idea.

How? It looked like 4-2-3-1 to me.
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Post by: Dave on August 14, 2021, 08:11:51 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

Which successful teams are currently using a two-striker system?

I reckon Inter, and that's about it.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:13:05 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

It was two up front in the first half today, and we were absolutely horrible with enormous gaps between the lines, no link up through the middle and constant space behind an outnumbered and outbattled midfield duo. I don't see how 4-4-2 is at all a good idea.

I'm not sure we were. it probably looked like that though ;) Anyway there's variations possible like the diamond etc..
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Post by: Monty on August 14, 2021, 08:14:05 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

It was two up front in the first half today, and we were absolutely horrible with enormous gaps between the lines, no link up through the middle and constant space behind an outnumbered and outbattled midfield duo. I don't see how 4-4-2 is at all a good idea.

How? It looked like 4-2-3-1 to me.

I could be wrong but my distinct impression was Buendìa played much closer to Ings than a 10 in a 4-2-3-1 normally would. That's why he only ever got the ball with his back to goal.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:18:59 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

Which successful teams are currently using a two-striker system?

I reckon Inter, and that's about it.

As I said there's variations. One playing just behind the other. At the moment we seem to be attracted to buying players to suit a formation rather than a formation to suit the players. Watkins will be wasted if we shoehorn him in behind in a version of today's line-up
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Post by: Ads on August 14, 2021, 08:20:17 PM
We don't take care of the ball enough and we're not strong enough off it in midfield.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 14, 2021, 08:20:47 PM
The Inter 3-5-2 worked because they had Hakimi and Perisic as wingbacks. We could not replicate that with Cash and Targett.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 14, 2021, 08:21:54 PM
Would it be worth reverting to the old 4-3-3 with Bailey, Ings and Watkins as a fluid front three and Luiz/new player anchoring behind McGinn and Buendia/another?

               new anchor/Luiz

         McGinn    Sanson/Buendia

    Bailey          Ings      Watkins
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:34:08 PM
deffo need something  Since ratboy left its been nagging away at me, and after today's debacle I had a look at last season's formations with and without him. Interesting......
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Post by: Taylor on August 14, 2021, 08:39:06 PM
As depressing as it sounds I don’t think anyone else is coming in. We’ve lost our our main creative talent. We’re not going down, but Europe, not a chance.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2021, 08:41:12 PM
there never was once Mr G jumped ship and if we stay as we are, top half is going to be difficult. We need at least 2 more in.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
I think 2 up top would be a terrible idea, except from possibly when chasing a game. We need to control the midfield and 2 up top won’t allow that.
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Post by: Dave on August 14, 2021, 08:46:06 PM
2 up front for me. need to get away from ratboy formations. He's gone.

Which successful teams are currently using a two-striker system?

I reckon Inter, and that's about it.

As I said there's variations. One playing just behind the other.

An attacker playing behind a striker with two wide players is what a 4-2-3-1 is.

So we need to get away from a 4-2-3-1 and play more of a 4-2-3-1. Unless you're suggesting we shouldn't have two wide attackers in this ideal formation and play central attackers behind the attacker behind the striker. Like some sort of weird relay race.

In which case I apologise for my presumptuousness.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
as I said dave there are variations.. a diamond you have 4 in the midfield and 2 up front.
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Post by: Des Little on August 14, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
We don't take care of the ball enough and we're not strong enough off it in midfield.

Exactly this. Bullied and bossed today.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:53:31 PM
I think 2 up top would be a terrible idea, except from possibly when chasing a game. We need to control the midfield and 2 up top won’t allow that.

doesn't seem to be working too well as it is. what did Watford play today 4-1-4-1?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 08:58:41 PM
Suit yourself but the only ideas I've seen so far is

1. keep the current formation
2. shoehorn in Watkins behind ings and probably negate his effectiveness
3. or drop 1 of them.
4. hope and pray someone buys a good centre midfielder
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Post by: Hairbandinho on August 14, 2021, 09:09:12 PM
I wouldn’t leap to judge Buendia, he’s a cracking player.

Is he just that in the championship though? I don't think he was fully fit today but the question needs asking..he is our record signing
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 14, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
I wouldn’t leap to judge Buendia, he’s a cracking player.

Is he just that in the championship though? I don't think he was fully fit today but the question needs asking..he is our record signing

His stats were good in the Premier league, with a crap Norwich side.

He shouldn't have played today, he's not fit.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 09:15:20 PM
I wouldn’t leap to judge Buendia, he’s a cracking player.

Is he just that in the championship though? I don't think he was fully fit today but the question needs asking..he is our record signing

Nah he was very good the season Norwich went down, and thought we should have gone for home then. Convinced he can be a good player for us.

Our problem is the same as it has been for years, a set of players that you can't fit into any formation without there being a glaring problem somewhere. We need to find the 1-2 players that allow us to pick a coherent team.

For that we need a DM, and a 10. Instead we bought an extra 9, a centre back and lots of right wingers. All of the players that have come in are good players, but we need the DM and the 10.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 09:18:32 PM
And he's not a 10, he's a right sided attacking mid. Play him there, he'll be fine.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 14, 2021, 09:31:00 PM
And he's not a 10, he's a right sided attacking mid. Play him there, he'll be fine.

Exactly.

Ings isn't a 10 either, leastwise not one than can function with a lightweight midfield.

We have bought in some excellent players, but not filled the two most important vacancies. I suspect the club know this, and there have been plenty of links to the type of players we need. What I am hoping is that we do get them in, and that we don't decide to risk it and go with what we have.

Last season we did just that with the striker position we needed, and then struggled when Ollie ran out of steam or had patches of poor form. Last season I understood why, as we had spent a lot of cash and had FFP to consider. This year we have made a profit on transfers, and have guilbert, Hourihane, Wesley and AEG linked with moves away which would free up more cash and wage bill. It would be almost negligent if we made a transfer profit and went with the current midfield options. That is why I think we will sign two more players.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 09:33:30 PM
Wesley wasn't in the squad today was he?  Is he injured? Hourihane not involved either?
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Post by: Matt C on August 14, 2021, 09:36:41 PM
Wesley wasn't in the squad today was he?  Is he injured? Hourihane not involved either?

Wesley was on the bench but Guilbert and Hourihane were not.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2021, 09:39:53 PM
Wesley wasn't in the squad today was he?  Is he injured? Hourihane not involved either?

Wesley was on the bench but Guilbert and Hourihane were not.

Thanks Matt.  I missed that.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 14, 2021, 09:40:14 PM
You have to trust Smith on Guilbert, but it's odd he looks really decent when he plays.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2021, 09:41:22 PM
Davis wasn't in the squad either. Apparently injured but possibly close to loan move you'd think.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
Davis wasn't in the squad either. Apparently injured but possibly close to loan move you'd think.
no he's injured and that's the reason his stoke loan fell through 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
I wouldn’t leap to judge Buendia, he’s a cracking player.

Is he just that in the championship though? I don't think he was fully fit today but the question needs asking..he is our record signing

The question doesn’t need asking in his first game, in a team that was clearly not properly prepared (ironically). If he’s still playing like that in 2 months then we have a problem, but he won’t be because he’s quality.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2021, 10:56:36 PM
He needs to play on the right with Bailey on the left next week and see how it settles. Much like Jack in the centre, too often he looked out of sync. It's a tough position in this villa team as you need to support the striker, lead the press and get back in to make a 3. Much as I am not a fan for England, a player like Mount is ideal for the role. Maybe it is where we see Ward Prowse, or McGinn if Ward Prowse makes a double pivot with Doug or Nakamba or Sanson.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 14, 2021, 11:44:20 PM
We are probably paying out a fair bit more in wages though which is being ignored amidst all the "Our net spend is zero/-£10m" talk. 

Nas and Wes might feel that Dean has to produce results with the funding put in so far.



Probably took £150k a week with the rat left so it probably isn't that much.
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Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2021, 11:47:19 PM
Guardiola getting all cranky, the self-entitled American-English speaking twonk:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58216727

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Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has challenged the club's critics to come up with the evidence if they believe the Blues are breaking Financial Fair Play rules.

Thirteen months after the Court of Arbitration for Sport overturned City's two-year ban from European competition for breaching Uefa's FFP rules, questions about the club's spending are again being raised.

Guardiola defended City's British record £100m signing of England midfielder Jack Grealish.

The Spanish manager insists the deal was only possible because of the £60m-worth of sales by the club over the past 12 months, including the £11m received from Borussia Dortmund following Jadon Sancho's move to Manchester United.

However, with City understood to be preparing an offer in excess of the sum they spent on Grealish to try to persuade Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy to let Harry Kane join them, Guardiola responded to a fresh broadside from Jurgen Klopp.

The Liverpool manager said his club could not be compared to City because "obviously they have no limits".

It is a view Guardiola rejects.

We have limits because of FFP," said the City boss. "We are on the same page like everyone. After that, each club decides what they want to do. Every season we have passed the controls that are there for everyone. If we are wrong, prove it."

Guardiola evidently feels the criticism of City's Abu Dhabi-based ownership is triggered by clubs whose own owners do not wish to invest on the same scale.

"I have said before, there are owners who want the benefits for themselves," he said.

"Our owners don't want to lose money but if they can spend, they will.

"In the past, [Manchester] United won a lot of titles because they spent more money than the other clubs. You remember that? They spent more than Manchester City because we couldn't do it.

"Before it was one club, or two, or two and a half. Then other clubs arrived - Chelsea with [Roman] Abramovich, us with Sheikh Mansour. They want to be in this world. What is the problem?"

For many, the problem is that City's spending threatens to take them so far clear of almost every other club that meaningful competition becomes impossible.

Guardiola uses his own Champions League successes with Barcelona in 2009 and 2011 to reject that theory as well.

"There are no guarantees," he said. "You can win with different squads, different players and in different situations.

"At Barcelona, I had the best player I ever seen in my life, Lionel Messi, in the academy. We won the Champions League twice with seven players from the academy at zero costs. Each club has its own reality."
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Post by: Matt C on August 15, 2021, 12:44:41 AM
How dare anyone question ‘Pep’.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 15, 2021, 12:53:26 AM
Absolute chancer. You put anyone on this forum in charge of the greatest Barcelona team ever featuring the greatest player ever, the German team that always wins the league and the English team that spends more money than anyone on the planet and they'd have won more European Cups that he's managed.
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Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2021, 04:01:24 AM
Guardiola getting all cranky, the self-entitled American-English speaking twonk:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58216727

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Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has challenged the club's critics to come up with the evidence if they believe the Blues are breaking Financial Fair Play rules.

Thirteen months after the Court of Arbitration for Sport overturned City's two-year ban from European competition for breaching Uefa's FFP rules, questions about the club's spending are again being raised.

Guardiola defended City's British record £100m signing of England midfielder Jack Grealish.

The Spanish manager insists the deal was only possible because of the £60m-worth of sales by the club over the past 12 months, including the £11m received from Borussia Dortmund following Jadon Sancho's move to Manchester United.

However, with City understood to be preparing an offer in excess of the sum they spent on Grealish to try to persuade Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy to let Harry Kane join them, Guardiola responded to a fresh broadside from Jurgen Klopp.

The Liverpool manager said his club could not be compared to City because "obviously they have no limits".

It is a view Guardiola rejects.

We have limits because of FFP," said the City boss. "We are on the same page like everyone. After that, each club decides what they want to do. Every season we have passed the controls that are there for everyone. If we are wrong, prove it."

Guardiola evidently feels the criticism of City's Abu Dhabi-based ownership is triggered by clubs whose own owners do not wish to invest on the same scale.

"I have said before, there are owners who want the benefits for themselves," he said.

"Our owners don't want to lose money but if they can spend, they will.

"In the past, [Manchester] United won a lot of titles because they spent more money than the other clubs. You remember that? They spent more than Manchester City because we couldn't do it.

"Before it was one club, or two, or two and a half. Then other clubs arrived - Chelsea with [Roman] Abramovich, us with Sheikh Mansour. They want to be in this world. What is the problem?"

For many, the problem is that City's spending threatens to take them so far clear of almost every other club that meaningful competition becomes impossible.

Guardiola uses his own Champions League successes with Barcelona in 2009 and 2011 to reject that theory as well.

"There are no guarantees," he said. "You can win with different squads, different players and in different situations.

"At Barcelona, I had the best player I ever seen in my life, Lionel Messi, in the academy. We won the Champions League twice with seven players from the academy at zero costs. Each club has its own reality."

Got two things to add to the Pep interview posted by Eamonn:

1). Man City have previously been fined on FFP in 2014 (think it was between £30-40m). To my knowledge, neither Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea (or perhaps any other English team??) have been fined by UEFA for breaching FFP.
2). UEFA’s case against Manchester city fell on its’ arse but the premier league are still investigating them for the same issues so City have not yet been totally cleared of FFP issues for the same period. Plus, they will have been able to see where UEFA fell down in their case which will give them an advantage.
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Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2021, 04:03:45 AM
Guardiola getting all cranky, the self-entitled American-English speaking twonk:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58216727

Quote

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has challenged the club's critics to come up with the evidence if they believe the Blues are breaking Financial Fair Play rules.

Thirteen months after the Court of Arbitration for Sport overturned City's two-year ban from European competition for breaching Uefa's FFP rules, questions about the club's spending are again being raised.

Guardiola defended City's British record £100m signing of England midfielder Jack Grealish.

The Spanish manager insists the deal was only possible because of the £60m-worth of sales by the club over the past 12 months, including the £11m received from Borussia Dortmund following Jadon Sancho's move to Manchester United.

However, with City understood to be preparing an offer in excess of the sum they spent on Grealish to try to persuade Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy to let Harry Kane join them, Guardiola responded to a fresh broadside from Jurgen Klopp.

The Liverpool manager said his club could not be compared to City because "obviously they have no limits".

It is a view Guardiola rejects.

We have limits because of FFP," said the City boss. "We are on the same page like everyone. After that, each club decides what they want to do. Every season we have passed the controls that are there for everyone. If we are wrong, prove it."

Guardiola evidently feels the criticism of City's Abu Dhabi-based ownership is triggered by clubs whose own owners do not wish to invest on the same scale.

"I have said before, there are owners who want the benefits for themselves," he said.

"Our owners don't want to lose money but if they can spend, they will.

"In the past, [Manchester] United won a lot of titles because they spent more money than the other clubs. You remember that? They spent more than Manchester City because we couldn't do it.

"Before it was one club, or two, or two and a half. Then other clubs arrived - Chelsea with [Roman] Abramovich, us with Sheikh Mansour. They want to be in this world. What is the problem?"

For many, the problem is that City's spending threatens to take them so far clear of almost every other club that meaningful competition becomes impossible.

Guardiola uses his own Champions League successes with Barcelona in 2009 and 2011 to reject that theory as well.

"There are no guarantees," he said. "You can win with different squads, different players and in different situations.

"At Barcelona, I had the best player I ever seen in my life, Lionel Messi, in the academy. We won the Champions League twice with seven players from the academy at zero costs. Each club has its own reality."

Got two things to add to the Pep interview posted by Eamonn:

1). Man City have previously been fined on FFP in 2014 (think it was between £30-40m). To my knowledge, neither Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea (or perhaps any other English team??) have been fined by UEFA for breaching FFP.
2). UEFA’s case against Manchester city fell on its’ arse but the premier league are still investigating them for the same issues so City have not yet been totally cleared of FFP issues for the same period. Plus, they will have been able to see where UEFA fell down in their case which will give them an advantage.

Most recent case that is in relation to point 2.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 15, 2021, 04:04:08 AM
After watching Ward-Prowse today not sure he is a player we need except for set pieces, we are crying out for a defensive bully with decent disposal, most of his passes went sideways or backwards we have numerous mid-fielders that can do that.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2021, 05:30:24 AM
Of all that we've been linked to the one that fits the need most looks like Doucouré (I've googled the spelling this time!). Nakamba is a limited squad player, but should not be the standard. When we are spending £30 plus million on attacking options, defenders etc, its strange that the one position we haven't gone big on is central midfield, arguably the most important. I still think we need 2 players better than what we have in there if we are to push on, with McGinn used slightly further forward.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 15, 2021, 06:41:24 AM
From Dean's comments I'm not sure if there is more money to spend. Saying the Grealish money "enabled" us to spend on Bailey and Ings, suggests we would not have been able to do so otherwise.

Still, Vinnie says we are still in the hunt so hopefully I'm reading too much into that.
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Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2021, 07:20:00 AM
We don't take care of the ball enough and we're not strong enough off it in midfield.
The fact that we could have written that anytime in the last 2 and a half seasons says it all.
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Post by: frank black on August 15, 2021, 07:25:47 AM
From Dean's comments I'm not sure if there is more money to spend. Saying the Grealish money "enabled" us to spend on Bailey and Ings, suggests we would not have been able to do so otherwise.

Still, Vinnie says we are still in the hunt so hopefully I'm reading too much into that.

They’ve definitely been giving that impression . Purslow and Dean have said as much. However, I’d like to think this isn’t the case. We will have gone very big on wages for the new players, to beat the competition but surely there’s some cash down the back of the sofa for a midfield enforcer?
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Post by: john2710 on August 15, 2021, 07:59:49 AM
How much of the issues yesterday can be fixed within the current squad, new players finding their feet, being fit, key players being available & a better formation. I'd suggest most of them can.

When I saw that Young, Buendia, El Ghazi behind Ings I knew we'd have problems.

The club know we need a better balanced midfield, that's why we've been looking at JWP & Smith-Rowe. But neither of them are going to happen.

But we have to buy better than we have or not bother.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 15, 2021, 08:04:00 AM
If thats the case if we had not sold Grealish we would not have bought anybody, I know they are saying this crap but no-ones going to swallow it. It is very curious that over the past two seasons the overwhelming concensus is that we were short of quality in midfield and yet it is the one position we have not strengthened.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
I said at the start of the window, because it was obvious, we need two wingers and two midfielders - for the first team.  With Joe going we needed three of one of those categories. I think we’re fine for wingers now, if Buendia plays in his proper position of wide right. So three midfielders in an ideal world but I’d be happy with two. That’s proper central midfielders who can tackle, pass and run all day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 15, 2021, 08:18:12 AM
Yesterday was an aberration. We lost one good player a week ago, our main striker is out injured and our new players haven't had time to bed in properly.

We clearly need more, and we're clearly after more too. There will be more arrivals. Then we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 08:25:07 AM
Well they better not leave it to deadline day if they do intend to bring more in because if we keep playing that system till then we'll be playing catch-up for the next 6 months. Newcastle should be a home banker for me. Now you just wonder how much a dent our confidence has taken. Then Brentord with their old fashioned 4-4-2  ::) and then the big boys start arriving in September. Starting to look a bit of a grind all ready this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 15, 2021, 08:29:59 AM
I like Ings a proven PL player who can score goals given the right service.
Buendia and Bailey have bags of potential no doubt, but are raw to the PL (and to England in Leon's case) and may take time to settle.
Tuanzebee and Young are bit part players and should not be starting games imo as Young did yesterday.
If we're aiming to improve on last season's 11th placed finish bearing in mind our statement departure these 5 players as a group without further additions who are proven and experienced PL players of the right age and mentality as regards progressing their careers (maybe even a statement signing or two) will not be enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2021, 08:30:39 AM
Positive from yesterday - again highlighted the need for a new CM player
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2021, 08:44:37 AM
I like Ings a proven PL player who can score goals given the right service.
Buendia and Bailey have bags of potential no doubt, but are raw to the PL (and to England in Leon's case) and may take time to settle.
Tuanzebee and Young are bit part players and should not be starting games imo as Young did yesterday.
If we're aiming to improve on last season's 11th placed finish bearing in mind our statement departure these 5 players as a group without further additions who are proven and experienced PL players of the right age and mentality as regards progressing their careers (maybe even a statement signing or two) will not be enough.
This is how it feels to me - certainly doesn’t feel like a squad that will improve on last seasons results - are starting 11 is weaker on paper
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
I think we all knew we'd have a rather makeshift side first game with a lack of quality. In fact some of us predicted young would be selected in midfield in Smith's desperation not to change things around. The general lack of effort and willingness to roll over was a bit more of a surprise.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2021, 08:58:52 AM
As a short term option, would getting Gueye back for a couple of seasons be possible. Might even get him on loan. Knows how to play holding mid in the prem and would slot into our team quite nicely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 09:09:40 AM
Well until then, if we must persist with this formation stick Tuanzebe there. Played as a holding midfielder before. Probably couldn't do any worse frankly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
As a short term option, would getting Gueye back for a couple of seasons be possible. Might even get him on loan. Knows how to play holding mid in the prem and would slot into our team quite nicely.

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Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2021, 09:18:41 AM
The way Matty Cash played yesterday, Tuanzebe will be needed for Konsa's place when Konsa moves to right back.

I would rather we sign a DCM instead of playing a (talented but inexperienced) centre back there.  Konsa can also play DCM.  Great players they are but I'd rather us sign someone who is used to playing in that position.  I also hope that this isn't ITK Vinnie.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
We are supposedly mega rich and aren't in the second division anymore, so I'd want to know why we'd be looking at short-term options or 2015/16 alumni, if that was the case. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 09:30:59 AM
The way Matty Cash played yesterday, Tuanzebe will be needed for Konsa's place when Konsa moves to right back.

I would rather we sign a DCM instead of playing a (talented but inexperienced) centre back there.  Konsa can also play DCM.  Great players they are but I'd rather us sign someone who is used to playing in that position.  I also hope that this isn't ITK Vinnie.


yeah i'm just talking short term because we could be waiting till the end of the month. And that's IF there is a player the club have targeted. And then getting him settled into the team which is basically writing off August.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 09:45:24 AM
Cash and Targett were a shambles yesterday - and I hope it goes down as the huge kick up the arse both need - maybe they're complacent because they know pretty much every week they're certain starters. I'd not be looking to replace them at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 15, 2021, 09:46:52 AM
I think taking Targett off at HT was that kick up the arse, even though it could of been done 20 minutes earlier.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
Cash dropped off a bit after his injury after a brilliant start. I think both full backs need to get back to those levels quickly. Konsa played right back with Hause central for the last 2 games of last season didn't he? I think it is more likely Tuanzebe would play right back though surely, Konsa is too good to play there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
Guilbert still with us?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
Well Young didn't help Targett much which is hardly surprising expecting a 36 year old to track back
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
Guilbert still with us?

Good point. Yes, and was excellent in France on loan second half of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
Short term and low fee we really couldn’t get a better DM than Gueye (and he’s available)
If we don’t sign a DM and quick the negligence is astounding. We do want one. Why we’ve not got one yet I don’t know

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
yes couple of hundred million spend in the last few years and still key plasyers short. Unpardonable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 10:15:41 AM
Gana Gueye wouldn't be bad on a years loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2021, 10:30:36 AM
Gana Gueye wouldn't be bad on a years loan.

He’s also someone you could probably bag on the last day of the window, so there’s also some logic to pursue more permanent targets in the meantime.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2021, 10:35:00 AM
Heh, I can just imagine his reaction when he takes a call from us wanting him back. He's probably still on Prozac from the last time
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 15, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Our midfield yesterday was total cack.

Buendia is a cracking player but can’t do that no10 role that Porcupine did - he’s a winger. We need to use him as such.

We missed Watkins work rate off the ball. Ings was almost as out of it as Wesley was in 19/20.

I would think that we’d be in a better position to play a leading 2 formation with Ings and Watkins upfront, Bailey on the left and Buendia on the Right.

2 holding midfielders - McGinn and Dougie.

Then the 4 defenders. Targett had a stinker yesterday. Sarr really showed him up - without the back tracking and support of Porcupine, I think we’ll probably see Targett getting shown up a few times this season. Is Young a better bet in that position at times?

Oh. And JWP. Might come to nothing, but we are by no means done yet. If he is what we need, I’d just pay the money and have done - £50 million might do it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 15, 2021, 11:47:39 AM
Our midfield yesterday was total cack.

Buendia is a cracking player but can’t do that no10 role that Porcupine did - he’s a winger. We need to use him as such.

We missed Watkins work rate off the ball. Ings was almost as out of it as Wesley was in 19/20.

I would think that we’d be in a better position to play a leading 2 formation with Ings and Watkins upfront, Bailey on the left and Buendia on the Right.

2 holding midfielders - McGinn and Dougie.

Then the 4 defenders. Targett had a stinker yesterday. Sarr really showed him up - without the back tracking and support of Porcupine, I think we’ll probably see Targett getting shown up a few times this season. Is Young a better bet in that position at times?

Oh. And JWP. Might come to nothing, but we are by no means done yet. If he is what we need, I’d just pay the money and have done - £50 million might do it.


I don’t think McGinn can play that holding role, and not sure
Nakamba and Luiz are good enough as a pair.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2021, 11:55:05 AM
Yeah, McGinn is categorically not a holding midfielder. People debate whether Luiz is, he's not a DM for me. Is he a DM for Brazil? I've never watched him play for them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
I don't think he's a DM full stop Edgy.  He isn't quick enough or physical enough.  Great player and I'd like to see him further forward.  No way should we be letting him go anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
I don't think he's a DM full stop Edgy.  He isn't quick enough or physical enough.  Great player and I'd like to see him further forward.  No way should we be letting him go anywhere.

Oh I agree, and I agree I think he is more of an 8.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2021, 12:04:17 PM
Short term and low fee we really couldn’t get a better DM than Gueye (and he’s available)
If we don’t sign a DM and quick the negligence is astounding. We do want one. Why we’ve not got one yet I don’t know



I really like the look of that Doucoure but Gueye would be so useful in this team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2021, 12:04:30 PM
McGinn is the #10 we're missing.
I think yesterday was a reflection of several things:
- players coming back into the squad late (Luiz)
- Bailey being late (isolation)
- Watkins missing
- poor pre-season games (Sevilla cancelled at short notice)
- the disruption caused by 3 team-members leaving at apparently short notice (JG, ROK, JT)
We have plenty of talent in our squad - although we do need more quality in midfield - and this week needs to see an uptick in focus, fitness and energy, before the winnable Barcodes game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
McGinn, JWP & a top notch DCM would be a decent midfield with plenty of energy but assuming (and hoping) Bailey and Buendia both play, I just worry that Ings has been told he will mostly be picked, in which case we’ll always have a two man midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
You make valid points, Mister E, but couldn't Watford make a list of excuses had they not won yesterday? Pretty sure they were missing key players. They've also been playing at a lower level for the past 12 months.

As John E said in the post-match thread, there is no bigger cliché than a promoted side being up for it at home on the opening day. We should have been ready for that. If it meant dragging Keinan Davis off the treatment table and sticking him in midfield instead of Nakamba where he could break-up Watford's counter-attacks, so be it.

We were limp, stunted, scaredy-cats and I don't want to see that shit again. We want to be a top-six team, so start fucking acting like one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2021, 12:39:55 PM
I'm not Doug Ellis, however I think we should sign Sarr from Watford.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 12:44:55 PM
I'm not Doug Ellis, however I think we should sign Sarr from Watford.
he was brilliant first half yesterday
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2021, 12:51:37 PM
yes couple of hundred million spend in the last few years and still key plasyers short. Unpardonable.

To be fair though we did only come up 2 years ago, we had to buy the best part of a new squad when we came up due to end of contract and quality issues. 2 years on we’re thinking we could well be challenging for European places if we had that one last player, a quality DM. Factor in the fact that you can’t expect all new signings to work and we have done rather well.
If they don’t address this issue though it would leave us with a big hole in the team so I hope they sort it. Wasted opportunity otherwise. The cherry on the top would be JWP as an upgrade on Luiz, Sanson, Ramsey but if we don’t get that one over the line and those 3 plus Nakamba are challenging for the third midfield position I won’t be too upset.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 15, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
Watched JWP yesterday and to my eyes he isn't the commanding defensive midfielder we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 15, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
plus we'll get rinsed because everyone knows we have money. There must be better value elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2021, 01:59:19 PM
Watched JWP yesterday and to my eyes he isn't the commanding defensive midfielder we need.

He’s more an upgrade on our many number 8s. We’d still need an upgrade on our number 6s.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 15, 2021, 02:05:28 PM
JWP & Gueye (good call as suggested a few posts back) and we might have cracked it.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2021, 02:16:34 PM
JWP & Gueye (good call as suggested a few posts back) and we might have cracked it.

Plus with Gueye coming back after Young it'll help pave the way for Jack's return.
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Post by: SteveN on August 15, 2021, 02:19:03 PM
Houssem Aouar from Lyon as a 10 and Anguissa from Fulham as DM.  £25M each, job done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 15, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
The number 8 / 10 conundrum *might* be fixed through McGinn / Sanson and would be something i'd be willing to try before going out getting another in that position (particularly with Ramsay and Carney coming through). The defensive midfielder is an absolute essential for me, though.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 15, 2021, 02:22:12 PM
I think anguissa is the best option

He looks really good. A definite upgrade to nakamba.

I dont rate nakamba he is goid to see a game out but for me as a starter week in week out not good enough.

DM is key for us
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Post by: Rudy65 on August 15, 2021, 02:22:59 PM
Watched JWP yesterday and to my eyes he isn't the commanding defensive midfielder we need.

I don't think he ever was. That's not his position
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2021, 02:29:58 PM
As a short term option, would getting Gueye back for a couple of seasons be possible. Might even get him on loan. Knows how to play holding mid in the prem and would slot into our team quite nicely.

He'd honestly be perfect for where we are right now.

Honestly wouldn't bother with Ward Prowse if he is available and wants to come back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 02:44:11 PM
watching Newcastle v West Ham now and you can see the difference a defensive midfielder makes - even Hayden for Newcastle; most of our lot would turn their most up at him, but their attacking players have played well today knowing there's someone in midfield that will cover.

it's the position we are weakest. Luiz is a better 8 and Nakamba isn't someone I want playing the majority of our games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2021, 02:46:46 PM
watching Newcastle v West Ham now and you can see the difference a defensive midfielder makes - even Hayden for Newcastle; most of our lot would turn their most up at him, but their attacking players have played well today knowing there's someone in midfield that will cover.

it's the position we are weakest. Luiz is a better 8 and Nakamba isn't someone I want playing the majority of our games.

Even if he's not quite a DM himself powerful midfielder like Soucek would make a big difference aswell, would give us loads of presence and make it tough for other teams to bully us and gets into the box on end of crosses and scores goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 15, 2021, 02:50:12 PM
watching Newcastle v West Ham now and you can see the difference a defensive midfielder makes - even Hayden for Newcastle; most of our lot would turn their most up at him, but their attacking players have played well today knowing there's someone in midfield that will cover.

it's the position we are weakest. Luiz is a better 8 and Nakamba isn't someone I want playing the majority of our games.

Even if he's not quite a DM himself powerful midfielder like Soucek would make a big difference aswell, would give us loads of presence and make it tough for other teams to bully us and gets into the box on end of crosses and scores goals.
Soucek is fantastic - what a signing he's been - having Rice alongside him gives him the chance to get forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2021, 03:04:38 PM
From what I recall Gueye is not the big unit defensive midfielder we need. I’m thinking can we not (optimistic I know) find the next Keane or Viera.
Gueye was a decent footballer good passer but would be more another option if we can’t get JWP and are determined to upgrade the number 8 position even though we already have many ok ones (but not outrightly good ones). I see McGinn as the box to box player to link between the big unit and a number 8.
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Post by: OCD on August 15, 2021, 03:06:15 PM
Ward-Prowse as a 10 is an interesting idea. I think that's where we originally saw Sanson playing. Really need an upgrade on Nakamba. Of Southampton's midfielders, Romeu is probably a closer fit of what we need.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2021, 03:25:13 PM
Soucek is fantastic - what a signing he's been - having Rice alongside him gives him the chance to get forward.

He's alright, doesn't score enough for me. ;)
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Post by: steamer on August 15, 2021, 03:31:33 PM
Newcastle look strong on the ball and up for it
Alarm bell
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Post by: Richard E on August 15, 2021, 03:33:01 PM
Newcastle look strong on the ball and up for it
Alarm bell

They’ve conceded 4 goals at home.
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Post by: aev on August 15, 2021, 03:45:15 PM
I’m surprised that with Lange we haven’t signed more players from abroad.

This isn’t a criticism of him necessarily, rather the signings we have made are players that most of his are aware of. Dennis for Watford cost £4m I think, there is decent value out there.
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Post by: Ads on August 15, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
I'd be shocked if we didn't spend on a proper defensive midfielder of quality. Nkamba is nowhere near good enough.

So poor in possession, so poor in controlling the ball. He's calamitous.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 15, 2021, 05:43:39 PM
He's actually better when we're playing one of the better teams, when he's not expected to do much with the ball. Badly need an upgrade.
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Post by: steamer on August 15, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
Newcastle look strong on the ball and up for it
Alarm bell

They’ve conceded 4 goals at home.
i spoke too soon
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 15, 2021, 06:46:25 PM
Newcastle look strong on the ball and up for it
Alarm bell

They’ve conceded 4 goals at home.
i spoke too soon

They had already conceded 4 by the time you posted? Super stream delay!
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Post by: KRS on August 15, 2021, 08:00:02 PM
I don’t get the clammer for Gueye. Admittedly I haven’t followed his career after leaving us, but has his game significantly improved whilst playing for Everton and PSG?
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Post by: clash city rocker on August 15, 2021, 08:06:10 PM
For a couple of years now most fans have said we need a young.  Even middle aged roy Keane type of player. Have we as fans got it wrong ?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
I don’t get the clammer for Gueye. Admittedly I haven’t followed his career after leaving us, but has his game significantly improved whilst playing for Everton and PSG?

Think Everton finished 6th in his first season and he had very good stats as their DM. Then PSG picked him up and he was regular for two seasons.

I doubt he'll want to come back to us but think it would be clever move to get that experienced type on season long loan instead of just spunking another 40m on someone who won't improve us that much.

Just to pose the question....let's say we spend 40m on Ward Prowse. Is that really all we need to make top ? I would say it's very very unlikely and that's the question we have to ask if we're signing players for 40m +, can they get us in top 6 in near future otherwise a couple of short term moves make more sense while likes of Bailey and Bunedia settle in.
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Post by: algy on August 15, 2021, 08:20:40 PM
I don’t get the clammer for Gueye. Admittedly I haven’t followed his career after leaving us, but has his game significantly improved whilst playing for Everton and PSG?

Think Everton finished 6th in his first season and he had very good stats as their DM. Then PSG picked him up and he was regular for two seasons.

I doubt he'll want to come back to us but think it would be clever move to get that experienced type on season long loan instead of just spunking another 40m on someone who won't improve us that much.

Just to pose the question....let's say we spend 40m on Ward Prowse. Is that really all we need to make top ? I would say it's very very unlikely and that's the question we have to ask if we're signing players for 40m +, can they get us in top 6 in near future otherwise a couple of short term moves make more sense while likes of Bailey and Bunedia settle in.
Yeah, I agree. It's going to take more than throwing £40m in the direction of Ward Prowse to get us in to the same bracket as Manc Utd, Manc City, Chelsea, and Liverpool. Which is where the owners want us to be.

I'd like us to be signing a couple of long term players each season. I'd be absolutely fine with supplementing that with a handful of short term signings if they accelerate our rise. Bringing Young & Ings seems to have at least one eye on them helping to develop our younger players & build the same kind of winning mentality that John Terry's signing did. Whilst in playing terms they're short term signings, potentially by helping to develop our other players there is a longer term aspect to it.

As for Gueye. I think he'd do a good job, but am not sure what else he adds in terms of bringing other players on. So signings like him, definitely, but I'm not sure if he in particular is the right one. Could be, I just don't know anything about that side to him and suspect it's a large factor in who we're recruiting in that agree bracket.
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Post by: Dave on August 15, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
From what I recall Gueye is not the big unit defensive midfielder we need. I’m thinking can we not (optimistic I know) find the next Keane or Viera.

Roy Keane was 5ft 10. Joshua Kimmich is probably the best defensive midfielder in the world at the moment and is the same height. My six year is about the same height as N'Golo Kante.

It's not 1980, the size of the midfielder really doesn't matter. We wouldn't be buying him to cover the front post at corners.

Gueye would be fine for our current needs.
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Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2021, 10:09:29 PM
From what I recall Gueye is not the big unit defensive midfielder we need. I’m thinking can we not (optimistic I know) find the next Keane or Viera.

Roy Keane was 5ft 10. Joshua Kimmich is probably the best defensive midfielder in the world at the moment and is the same height. My six year is about the same height as N'Golo Kante.

It's not 1980, the size of the midfielder really doesn't matter. We wouldn't be buying him to cover the front post at corners.

Gueye would be fine for our current needs.

One of my favourite holding centre midfielders was Mascherano, he was fantastic at breaking up play and protecting the defence and was probably only 5’7” or so.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 15, 2021, 10:11:12 PM
You can still be 5 foot 10 and a unit. From what I recall not many got the better of Keane in a 50/50. What I’m saying is we need someone like that who can dominate games from midfield ideally from a starting point of sitting in front of the back four. I realise Keane and Viera could do whatever was asked of them including running all of the way through the midfield and scoring or assisting but Gueye is not as strong or anywhere near as dominant as those two, and that is primarily what we need. If we were to sign Gueye in addition then sound, as he is still a good player and would be useful.
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Post by: Ian. on August 15, 2021, 10:21:00 PM
I’d snap a player up who’s good enough for PSG over Nakamba right away.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
I don’t get the clammer for Gueye. Admittedly I haven’t followed his career after leaving us, but has his game significantly improved whilst playing for Everton and PSG?

He’s been very good.
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Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Kalvin Phillips, if we could of pulled that one off when we were linked a few seasons ago, would be perfect for our needs right now.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2021, 10:30:06 PM
You can still be 5 foot 10 and a unit.

Agreed, I once met Roycie Gracie who's just over 6 foot so 3-4 inches shorter than me but it has like hugging concrete. Wouldn't like to have run into him at full pelt. FWIW, as Dave's highlighted, Kante's only 5' 6" and seems to do a decent job as DM.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2021, 10:34:15 PM
I'm 5 foot 10" and built like a brick wendyhouse. Sign me up.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 16, 2021, 02:31:57 AM
Just to pose the question....let's say we spend 40m on Ward Prowse. Is that really all we need to make top ? I would say it's very very unlikely and that's the question we have to ask if we're signing players for 40m +, can they get us in top 6 in near future otherwise a couple of short term moves make more sense while likes of Bailey and Bunedia settle in.

No. We need to spend double that so we get JWP and a quality DM. Then we might credibly start to look at a top 6-placing.
That would still only have us at a 70m transfer surplus which, frankly, is less than I had expected/hoped for this summer.
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Post by: mike on August 16, 2021, 02:50:36 AM
From what I recall Gueye is not the big unit defensive midfielder we need. I’m thinking can we not (optimistic I know) find the next Keane or Viera.

Roy Keane was 5ft 10.

I think he still is.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 07:03:53 AM
Why are there murmurings about Will Hughes on twatter. He's really not the answer.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 16, 2021, 07:23:38 AM
Probably desperation. I'm not sure if we're going to spend 40+m on a player this window so Hughes is a cheaper option.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 07:26:42 AM
If true, and it is only, speculation so this is based purely on the hypothesis, then agreed, it would be a desperate move. He's a good age and does have decent defensive stats but it would be a mightily underwhelming signing. Unless there is a want for 2 players and the bulk of the spend will be on a more 10 style player.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 16, 2021, 07:38:01 AM
Well its just speculation on my part that we're not going to spend another 60+m on two players really. He's out of contract next summer, they've started well without him so you can see them wanting about 20m for him. If we were bidding 25m for JWP as was claimed then that sort of hints there's limited funds for me. I don't really think JWP is the answer, but even I know 25m is a ridiculously low ball figure on an England international on a long contract, especially from a club who've just pocketed 100m. It's a nice idea that we're going to spend every penny we get in on players, but the reality is we've invested millions staying in the league last summer and the summer before so maybe they want a summer where we don't go seriously into the red on transfers.
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Post by: KRS on August 16, 2021, 07:53:24 AM
Why are there murmurings about Will Hughes on twatter. He's really not the answer.
Perhaps everything you read in the papers and Twatter is not true and should always be taken with a pinch of salt/ignored?
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Post by: Big Ming on August 16, 2021, 08:40:30 AM
Just to pose the question....let's say we spend 40m on Ward Prowse. Is that really all we need to make top ? I would say it's very very unlikely and that's the question we have to ask if we're signing players for 40m +, can they get us in top 6 in near future otherwise a couple of short term moves make more sense while likes of Bailey and Bunedia settle in.

No. We need to spend double that so we get JWP and a quality DM. Then we might credibly start to look at a top 6-placing.
That would still only have us at a 70m transfer surplus which, frankly, is less than I had expected/hoped for this summer.
JWP would be in the category of 'nice to have' but what we actually need is a rock of a DCM who can win,pass,carry and distribute the ball.
I would go with Anguissa simply because he has already done it in the PL.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 16, 2021, 08:42:49 AM
Will Hughes is actually a decent footballer - unlike the not-so-marvellous Marvellous
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 16, 2021, 08:48:21 AM
Will Hughes is nowhere near as bad as people are making out.  I think he would improve our 1st XI.  He's not a dream signing and top 4 clubs won't be kicking down Watfords door to get him, but he's someone who would fit well in our stystem, defensively solid and with a good range of passing and some flair when needed.

I'm far from forming a Will Hughes fan club, but if he does arrive I think a few peole will be pleasantly surprised once he's settled in.
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Post by: Risso on August 16, 2021, 08:52:43 AM
I thought Hughes was going to Palace?

The only place I've seen him mentioned is that idiot Villa Whispers, who is really, really poor at making stuff up.

Anyway, I'm sure Hughes is a perfectly decent player, but he's not the DM we need and if Smith is going to persevere with 4-2-3-1 he's just another player who isn't really suited to that, so what would be the point?
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Post by: Big Ming on August 16, 2021, 08:56:32 AM
Somehow we seem to have ended up with another season of major changes which is always causes difficulty with integrating new faces. The Grealish thing didn't help but concerned that by the time we get it sorted we might be substantially off the pace again.

Looking forward to future seasons when we just have to tweak one or two positions.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 09:02:19 AM
We need a psycho who can play. Will Hughes does not fit the bill. I'd rather have Will Hughes for about ten million than Harry Winks for about five times that. But only in the same way that I'd rather be slapped in the face that kicked in the bollocks.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 16, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
very harsh, even though Will looks like both has happened.
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Post by: dave shelley on August 16, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
Will Hughes is actually a decent footballer - unlike the not-so-marvellous Marvellous

Will Hughes is poor.  Opinions innit?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2021, 09:56:20 AM
Perhaps everything you read in the papers and Twatter is not true and should always be taken with a pinch of salt/ignored?

I hope so. Papers reporting today that Arsenal will go for Conte if when Arteta is sacked and that Chelski plan to sign St. Jude instead of Declan Rice this window both of which would be unwelcome developments.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 16, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
I thought Hughes was going to Palace?

The only place I've seen him mentioned is that idiot Villa Whispers, who is really, really poor at making stuff up.

Anyway, I'm sure Hughes is a perfectly decent player, but he's not the DM we need and if Smith is going to persevere with 4-2-3-1 he's just another player who isn't really suited to that, so what would be the point?
Just checked there, and is that not a "parody" account of the other whispers. Very meta.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 11:02:39 AM
Why are there murmurings about Will Hughes on twatter. He's really not the answer.
Perhaps everything you read in the papers and Twatter is not true and should always be taken with a pinch of salt/ignored?

Or maybe this is a discussion forum, in a thread where utter rubbish is discussed?? I really don't get posts like this, when I have prefaced it with the fact that it is twitter rubbish and clearly posted for conversation, not as fact.

There was the video of Ben Foster asking Hughes not to go to Villa a few weeks ago too, so maybe there is something in it.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2021, 11:03:05 AM
Thought we'd have gone for Hughes last summer when Watford had just been relegated and Shakespeared turned up having worked with him for a few months. Would've been more logical for where we were as a club 12 months ago.

Be odd timing to get him now, I mean is he really that much better than Hourihane for example as they've played at pretty much similar levels for their whole careers? And he's another central midfielder that rarely scores.

I want our next midfielder signing to be Leon Bailey standard. Hughes would just feel typical Villa mentality of we couldn't sign a first choice so let's pad out the squad a bit more and then we're trying to get rid of that player in two years time.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2021, 11:03:30 AM
Isn't Hughes a bit, err, racisty?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2021, 11:06:48 AM
If true, and it is only, speculation so this is based purely on the hypothesis, then agreed, it would be a desperate move. He's a good age and does have decent defensive stats but it would be a mightily underwhelming signing. Unless there is a want for 2 players and the bulk of the spend will be on a more 10 style player.

Can't see any point in signing another two CMs ozz. As it stands we have McGinn, Nakamba, Luiz, Sanson, Ramsey for the two positions. We'd have to sell two of them to create space (or loan Ramsey out for a year).

Could switch to three in central midfield but then it's even more of a struggle to fit in enough attacking players to be competitive in final third.

Hopefully it's just a random link. Apparently he was close to joining Crystal Palace last week so that seems a more likely destination.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 16, 2021, 11:11:07 AM
Isn't Hughes a bit, err, racisty?

He is the whitest white person in football but I am not sure that automatically means he is necessarily racist  ;D
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Post by: mr underhill on August 16, 2021, 11:16:15 AM
and what on earth was the remark predicated on?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
Isn't Hughes also a big racist?

Previously followed EDL and Yaxley-Lennon, according to Google. Fucking wrong 'un.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
Isn't Hughes also a big racist?

Previously followed EDL and Yaxley-Lennon, according to Google. Fucking wrong 'un.

Perhaps that's it. Thought it was something more than that, but may be wrong.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 11:20:07 AM
If true, and it is only, speculation so this is based purely on the hypothesis, then agreed, it would be a desperate move. He's a good age and does have decent defensive stats but it would be a mightily underwhelming signing. Unless there is a want for 2 players and the bulk of the spend will be on a more 10 style player.

Can't see any point in signing another two CMs ozz. As it stands we have McGinn, Nakamba, Luiz, Sanson, Ramsey for the two positions. We'd have to sell two of them to create space (or loan Ramsey out for a year).

Could switch to three in central midfield but then it's even more of a struggle to fit in enough attacking players to be competitive in final third.

Hopefully it's just a random link. Apparently he was close to joining Crystal Palace last week so that seems a more likely destination.

If we are not going to get over-run I think we need 1 holding and 2 8s if you like, but ideally you need 1 like Soucek that adds height and goals. None of our options add goals, and none are strong or aware enough to play on their own as the holding player. I think currently only Luiz and McGinn are really good enough, and neither of them are top 6 at the moment.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 16, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
Brad Young to Carlisle for the season.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2021, 12:05:24 PM
Brad Young to Carlisle for the season.

Rather him than me. I'm sure that Carlisle agree.
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Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2021, 12:09:20 PM
Doesn't it have its lovely scenic parts?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2021, 12:11:39 PM
It's a lovely journey to get there. You miss that journey when you arrive.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
Isn't Hughes also a big racist?

Previously followed EDL and Yaxley-Lennon, according to Google. Fucking wrong 'un.

Perhaps that's it. Thought it was something more than that, but may be wrong.

I just Googled "Will Hughes racist" and saw people mentioning that on various forums. Dunno about any other misdemeanours.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 12:17:15 PM
I really like Brad Young, think he will have a very decent career.
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Post by: Risso on August 16, 2021, 12:29:51 PM
It's a lovely journey to get there. You miss that journey when you arrive.

Carlisle's all right. Some nice bits in the town centre, and well situated for trips to the Lake District and Borders. Bloody cold up there though. And every away game except local derby Barrow a right trek. I can't imagine the horror of getting to Exeter or Colchester from there.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2021, 12:44:51 PM
Isn't Hughes a bit, err, racisty?


sometimes these guys follow them to wind them up , i have a mate who is constantly on the nigel fararge facebook page giving him
shit 

He is the whitest white person in football but I am not sure that automatically means he is necessarily racist  ;D
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Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
Ismaila Sarr, once again our undoing. We could've signed him when they went down in the 2019/20 season. Amazed that no team from the PL has signed him by now.
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Post by: Ian. on August 16, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
It's a lovely journey to get there. You miss that journey when you arrive.

I went the other day. It’s a shit hole, we was all a tad disappointed, except my little girl as it had that god awful shop B&M in the town.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2021, 01:50:34 PM
Thought we'd have gone for Hughes last summer when Watford had just been relegated and Shakespeared turned up having worked with him for a few months. Would've been more logical for where we were as a club 12 months ago.

Be odd timing to get him now, I mean is he really that much better than Hourihane for example as they've played at pretty much similar levels for their whole careers? And he's another central midfielder that rarely scores.

I want our next midfielder signing to be Leon Bailey standard. Hughes would just feel typical Villa mentality of we couldn't sign a first choice so let's pad out the squad a bit more and then we're trying to get rid of that player in two years time.

Just don't see where Hughes would fit in really.  Still think we need a strong defensive midfielder to play alongside Luiz and then push McGinn further forward to allow him to make the kind of runs he did for his goal at the weekend. 
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2021, 01:59:50 PM
It's a lovely journey to get there. You miss that journey when you arrive.

Carlisle's all right. Some nice bits in the town centre, and well situated for trips to the Lake District and Borders. Bloody cold up there though. And every away game except local derby Barrow a right trek. I can't imagine the horror of getting to Exeter or Colchester from there.

I may be prejudiced. I had the worst gig of my life there. I was bad. They were worse.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 16, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
rumours Papa smurf Sarr has flown in to UK to talk to 3 Prem Clubs.


Bet he signs for Chelski and they loan him out .
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
Fuckers couldn't have signed him a week ago, could they?
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Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Fuckers couldn't have signed him a week ago, could they?

Wrong Sarr I think but who knows!
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Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2021, 03:09:13 PM
Isn't Hughes a bit, err, racisty?

He is the whitest white person in football but I am not sure that automatically means he is necessarily racist  ;D

He has quite a distinctive Aryan look probably not helped by the bleached blonde hair.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 03:15:53 PM
Fuckers couldn't have signed him a week ago, could they?

Wrong Sarr I think but who knows!

Ah, I confess the Papa Smurph reference confused me.
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Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2021, 04:33:16 PM
Sounds like big Chuck has decided to join us from Northampton for about a million
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Post by: aev on August 16, 2021, 04:38:19 PM
Never seen him play, but looking at his scoring record have we brought him in to replace injured KD?

edit: Obviously he is young but 1 goal in 22 games as a forward is pretty unremarkable - obviously we have seen something in him...

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Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2021, 04:54:50 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.
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Post by: andyh on August 16, 2021, 05:00:18 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.
I must admit to thinking the same thing
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Post by: aev on August 16, 2021, 05:01:02 PM
I don’t mean to come across as pessimistic.

Go and smash it Caleb.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2021, 05:19:47 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.
I must admit to thinking the same thing

It did cross my mind too. Probably a sensible move in terms of his development but if it keeps Carney at B6 and we sell him down the line for a 10 figure sum (plus any value Caleb has) then it's good business. One aspect of this window has been Chelsea (32m) and Citeh (35m) selling some young players on which presumably helps greatly with FFP.
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Post by: caster troy on August 16, 2021, 05:21:42 PM
I guess with Barry and Young out on loan we needed another striker for the U23's?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 16, 2021, 05:32:51 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?
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Post by: placeforparks on August 16, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Never seen him play, but looking at his scoring record have we brought him in to replace injured KD?

edit: Obviously he is young but 1 goal in 22 games as a forward is pretty unremarkable - obviously we have seen something in him...

he's joined the academy, and spurs were looking at him as well.

expect he'll have a season in the under 23s and then be loaned out next season.

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Post by: Villan82 on August 16, 2021, 06:07:46 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

There is a football focus clip of when Brian Little resigned and Ellis states that Little's mum asked him to sign Alan to keep Brian company!
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Post by: john e on August 16, 2021, 06:18:52 PM
At least he’s got his song sorted out

Two Chukwuemeka’s there’s only two Chukwuemeka’s
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Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2021, 06:38:30 PM
At least he’s got his song sorted out

Two Chukwuemeka’s there’s only two Chukwuemeka’s

That would be hilarious!
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Post by: Monty on August 16, 2021, 06:50:40 PM
At least he’s got his song sorted out

Two Chukwuemeka’s there’s only two Chukwuemeka’s

That would be hilarious!

It scans as well, if we're not singing this the next time either of them plays it's time to give up.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2021, 06:51:26 PM
At least he’s got his song sorted out

Not sure why the tune of 'Tubthumping' springs to mind. ;)

Left Northampton Town, he's on the up again
He ain't never gonna let us down
Left Northampton Town, he's on the up again
He ain't never gonna let us down
Chukwuemeeeekkkkaaaa...
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Post by: KRS on August 16, 2021, 07:06:39 PM
Chukwue, Chukwuemeka vision…Chukwuemeka vision
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Post by: nigel on August 16, 2021, 07:14:43 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

And the Rioch’s
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Post by: Smithy on August 16, 2021, 07:17:28 PM
Caleb looks tidy enough for a 18/19-year-old playing in League 1 in his obligatory youtube highlights reel  - see here:



He seems quite quick, with good feet and not afraid to travel with the ball. 

I think if you looked at that youtube clip and it was one of our 18-year-olds who'd been on loan at Northampton last season, you'd think from those highlights that they'd done pretty well -  especially playing in a relegated side, and only starting 2 matches (20 of his appearances were from the bench, for a total of 520 minutes all season - that's less than 6 full games).

Let's see how we can develop him over the next year or so!  Welcome to the Villa Caleb!
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 16, 2021, 07:24:24 PM
The way he flattens that player at the 25 second mark mebbe we've bought him to play DM. :-\
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Post by: steamer on August 16, 2021, 07:26:31 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

There is a football focus clip of when Brian Little was sacked and Ellis states that Little's mum asked him to sign Alan to keep Brian company!
The night Brian was sacked, i sat getting pissed in front of an old monitor scanning the slownet for news
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2021, 07:38:42 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

There is a football focus clip of when Brian Little was sacked and Ellis states that Little's mum asked him to sign Alan to keep Brian company!
The night Brian was sacked, i sat getting pissed in front of an old monitor scanning the slownet for news

I don’t think he was sacked was he?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 16, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
Caleb looks tidy enough for a 18/19-year-old playing in League 1 in his obligatory youtube highlights reel  - see here:



He seems quite quick, with good feet and not afraid to travel with the ball. 

I think if you looked at that youtube clip and it was one of our 18-year-olds who'd been on loan at Northampton last season, you'd think from those highlights that they'd done pretty well -  especially playing in a relegated side, and only starting 2 matches (20 of his appearances were from the bench, for a total of 520 minutes all season - that's less than 6 full games).

Let's see how we can develop him over the next year or so!  Welcome to the Villa Caleb!

Thanks for posting that. He looks strong and good at running past players with the ball on either wing. As you say he has been playing at a level we would be loaning similar aged players out to, be interesting to see how he develops.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 07:44:02 PM
Never seen him play, but looking at his scoring record have we brought him in to replace injured KD?

edit: Obviously he is young but 1 goal in 22 games as a forward is pretty unremarkable - obviously we have seen something in him...

Harry Kane had an unimpressive goal record when he was young, this kid is highly rated and a few clubs were after him. If it keeps his brother settled, too, then all the better.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2021, 07:58:44 PM
Never seen him play, but looking at his scoring record have we brought him in to replace injured KD?

edit: Obviously he is young but 1 goal in 22 games as a forward is pretty unremarkable - obviously we have seen something in him...

Harry Kane had an unimpressive goal record when he was young, this kid is highly rated and a few clubs were after him. If it keeps his brother settled, too, then all the better.

He doesn’t look like a forward from that YouTube compilation, a winger possibly, arguably a midfielder.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 16, 2021, 07:59:17 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

There is a football focus clip of when Brian Little was sacked and Ellis states that Little's mum asked him to sign Alan to keep Brian company!
The night Brian was sacked, i sat getting pissed in front of an old monitor scanning the slownet for news

I don’t think he was sacked was he?

Apologies, he resigned. I will amend that. In the Football focus clip, Doug's denials were so strong one would assume Little was sacked!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
To keep his more talented bro sweet so he doesn't agitate for a move. Only messin', I'm sure he's got game.


Same with the Littles, wasn't it?

There is a football focus clip of when Brian Little was sacked and Ellis states that Little's mum asked him to sign Alan to keep Brian company!
The night Brian was sacked, i sat getting pissed in front of an old monitor scanning the slownet for news

I don’t think he was sacked was he?

Apologies, he resigned. I will amend that. In the Football focus clip, Doug's denials were so strong one would assume Little was sacked!

It’s no biggie. Just checking if I needed to hate Doug a bit more.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2021, 08:26:43 PM
Never seen him play, but looking at his scoring record have we brought him in to replace injured KD?

edit: Obviously he is young but 1 goal in 22 games as a forward is pretty unremarkable - obviously we have seen something in him...

Harry Kane had an unimpressive goal record when he was young, this kid is highly rated and a few clubs were after him. If it keeps his brother settled, too, then all the better.

He doesn’t look like a forward from that YouTube compilation, a winger possibly, arguably a midfielder.

Pace, strength, good technique - lots of positives to work on with a player who looks pretty good in league football at 19.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
Stop fucking about villa. Go throw £40 mil at Sullivan and get Declan Rice.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Stop fucking about villa. Go throw £40 mil at Sullivan and get Declan Rice.

Where’s £40m come from?  You’d need to double that I reckon.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2021, 08:41:56 PM
Stop fucking about villa. Go throw £40 mil at Sullivan and get Declan Rice.
Them idiots will want more than that.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 08:48:41 PM
Why would they sell Rice for less than we got for Jack?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2021, 08:50:55 PM
Why would they sell Rice for less than we got for Jack?
why would Rice join Villa right now, hardly seen as a step up.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 16, 2021, 08:57:22 PM
£40m? Westham will be asking double that, and it will be too Champions League teams if he leaves.
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Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2021, 09:45:44 PM
Hookey's been on the hooch!
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
Hookey's been on the hooch!
yes throw 40 million at Sullivan and you would end up with 400, 000 dildos.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
Hookey's been on the hooch!
yes throw 40 million at Sullivan and you would end up with 400, 000 dildos.

Well, we've been looking for someone to play in the hole.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2021, 10:14:52 PM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 16, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing

I wonder if the statement style signing not coming is more Smith than the owners to be honest. Man City bought Robinho in that completely changed the view of them, then lured Tevez there. Chelsea - Gullit changed the face of the era and enticed others. We need that type that can attract others of that ilk until to help push us on.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2021, 11:15:00 PM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

I disagree. I think you can do it with good recruitment. We can afford to buy virtually any player in the world. We didn’t need to be in the Champions League to get Martinez.
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Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2021, 11:26:53 PM
I reckon Saint-Maximin is a player you could sign who would be brilliant and help close that gap. We'd have to throw a lot at it, but he's fucking electric.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
If true, and it is only, speculation so this is based purely on the hypothesis, then agreed, it would be a desperate move. He's a good age and does have decent defensive stats but it would be a mightily underwhelming signing. Unless there is a want for 2 players and the bulk of the spend will be on a more 10 style player.

Can't see any point in signing another two CMs ozz. As it stands we have McGinn, Nakamba, Luiz, Sanson, Ramsey for the two positions. We'd have to sell two of them to create space (or loan Ramsey out for a year).

Could switch to three in central midfield but then it's even more of a struggle to fit in enough attacking players to be competitive in final third.

Hopefully it's just a random link. Apparently he was close to joining Crystal Palace last week so that seems a more likely destination.

If we are not going to get over-run I think we need 1 holding and 2 8s if you like, but ideally you need 1 like Soucek that adds height and goals. None of our options add goals, and none are strong or aware enough to play on their own as the holding player. I think currently only Luiz and McGinn are really good enough, and neither of them are top 6 at the moment.

Yeah I agree.

DM and then Luiz and McGinn ahead and that's decent enough. Then a front three of Buendia,Watkins-Bailey and that would be top 10.

As exciting and as random as it was the signing of Ings isn't half going to cause some tactical issues and possibly aswell Bailey and Buendia both wanting to play on the right (as does Traore).

Big test for the manager to work it out soon.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 16, 2021, 11:38:54 PM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

Whilst I mostly agree with this, didn't both Chelsea and Man City do just that. Gullit, Robinho etc


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Post by: KRS on August 16, 2021, 11:52:04 PM
If we’re going to break the Scab 6 then we have to have strength in depth for rotation and cover injuries to keep us competitive…pretty much exactly the polar opposite of what we were with he that shalt not be named. We can’t get them all on the pitch at the same time, so if Ings/Watkins or Traore/Buendia/Bailey have to sit on the bench for a few games then that’s the way it has to be if we truly want to get to that level, and they have to buy in to that methodology too. I think we’ll see the likes of El Ghazi and Hourihane moved on this window as they will be surplus to requirements, but we do need to strengthen midfield with at least one more quality player.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing

I wonder if the statement style signing not coming is more Smith than the owners to be honest. Man City bought Robinho in that completely changed the view of them, then lured Tevez there. Chelsea - Gullit changed the face of the era and enticed others. We need that type that can attract others of that ilk until to help push us on.

TBF for where we are now I think Leon Bailey fits the bill perfectly, exciting wide player with solid stats in major league for CL/europa team and at age where he can improve further.

To lesser degree aswell Ings was signed that made about 12 other prem clubs sit up and take notice so while those two won't sell millions of shirts in Asia or US I think we've done o.k with ambitious signings this summer, now we need to try to fit them into the team successfully.

Could still pull one out of the bag for central midfield aswell in next two weeks. Think a real big one will only come when we're making europa league.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2021, 11:57:46 PM
I reckon Saint-Maximin is a player you could sign who would be brilliant and help close that gap. We'd have to throw a lot at it, but he's fucking electric.

Brilliant player, but is he another right-winger*? If so, we’ll have more of those than England have right-backs soon.

*I’m only guessing based on the first Barcode goal on Sunday.

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Post by: rooboy316 on August 17, 2021, 04:02:08 AM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

I disagree. I think you can do it with good recruitment. We can afford to buy virtually any player in the world. We didn’t need to be in the Champions League to get Martinez.

I agree with you that we can do it with good recruitment. Disagree with you about the second bit. Martinez's stock has risen a lot since we've signed him - I'd argue he wasn't widely considered CL calibre two years ago. And he was on the bench at that mob, so a first team place was enough of a lure without having to offer Europe.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 17, 2021, 04:44:55 AM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing

Still not enough. Chelsea were quoted 100 mil.

We will know whether we mean business or not in another two weeks.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 04:48:43 AM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

I disagree. I think you can do it with good recruitment. We can afford to buy virtually any player in the world. We didn’t need to be in the Champions League to get Martinez.

I agree with you that we can do it with good recruitment. Disagree with you about the second bit. Martinez's stock has risen a lot since we've signed him - I'd argue he wasn't widely considered CL calibre two years ago. And he was on the bench at that mob, so a first team place was enough of a lure without having to offer Europe.

The second point is that we can buy players who are good enough to play in the CL without us actually being in it. Martinez proves that point. Not sure how it can be disagreed with really.
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Post by: Shrek on August 17, 2021, 06:45:12 AM
Us villa fans have a real issue, we don’t seem to understand the fact we can’t play all the players together. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a proper squad lol

Imo we can’t play Ings and Watkins together, it just won’t work long term without a stronger midfield. Same for Buendia, Bailey, Traore etc.

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Post by: sickbeggar on August 17, 2021, 06:48:10 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.
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Post by: jwarry on August 17, 2021, 06:52:03 AM
Us villa fans have a real issue, we don’t seem to understand the fact we can’t play all the players together. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a proper squad lol

Imo we can’t play Ings and Watkins together, it just won’t work long term without a stronger midfield. Same for Buendia, Bailey, Traore etc.



Problem is you take Cack, Ollie and Doug out and you get left with the team that played Saturday
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 07:03:43 AM
Us villa fans have a real issue, we don’t seem to understand the fact we can’t play all the players together. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a proper squad lol

Imo we can’t play Ings and Watkins together, it just won’t work long term without a stronger midfield. Same for Buendia, Bailey, Traore etc.

I think plenty of the fans get it - I certainly do.. I just worry that Smith and Ings don’t.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 17, 2021, 07:21:22 AM
Nailed on Ings and Watkins will play in the same team imo. So no 2 up front, no 3 man midfield, but probably Watkins stuck in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2021, 07:24:49 AM
With the squad we currently have you have to play a midfield three from doug, sjm, sanson, marv and ramsey. Otherwise teams will play through us.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 07:31:28 AM
Nailed on Ings and Watkins will play in the same team imo. So no 2 up front, no 3 man midfield, but probably Watkins stuck in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1.

I think Ings is going to play ten with a 2 man midfield. I don't think it will work, but it's what I think we will try and do.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 17, 2021, 07:32:07 AM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

I disagree. I think you can do it with good recruitment. We can afford to buy virtually any player in the world. We didn’t need to be in the Champions League to get Martinez.
we could afford to buy harry kane but unless he sees us as a step up, no amount of money will get him. Same with any big name player. They wont come until we are in the champions league or very close to it. Martinez wasnt a big name player, but is now. Bailey isnt a big name player yet but could be soon and will want to move to champions league club if we are not progressing fast enough.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
This is the problem. You cannot throw money at people if you cannot offer champions league. And you will not reach champions league unless you have the kind of player you need to throw money at. Maybe we ha very to just be patient and wait for the talent to develop from within.

I disagree. I think you can do it with good recruitment. We can afford to buy virtually any player in the world. We didn’t need to be in the Champions League to get Martinez.
we could afford to buy harry kane but unless he sees us as a step up, no amount of money will get him. Same with any big name player. They wont come until we are in the champions league or very close to it. Martinez wasnt a big name player, but is now. Bailey isnt a big name player yet but could be soon and will want to move to champions league club if we are not progressing fast enough.

Indeed. But it is possible to buy players who are good enough to qualify and play in the Champions League without being in it. You don’t seem to think so, despite the examples of Martinez, Leicester City and every other club who qualifies for it for the first time.
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Post by: algy on August 17, 2021, 07:37:52 AM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing

I wonder if the statement style signing not coming is more Smith than the owners to be honest. Man City bought Robinho in that completely changed the view of them, then lured Tevez there. Chelsea - Gullit changed the face of the era and enticed others. We need that type that can attract others of that ilk until to help push us on.
Doesn't Bailey fit in to that category for us?

I'd bear in mind that those 2 were also signed pre-FFP. I don't know if that'd have an effect then, but certainly now we can't realistically outbid (big) Champions League sides on wages.

I'd assumed Bailey was brought for the left wing. Tbh I don't care what side*he* thinks is his best, Joe reckoned he was best as an 8 but I'm not sure that's a widely held view.

Also don't understand why folk are trying to shoehorn Ollie and Ings in to the same 11. There's been a broad consensus that we lack anyone on the bench who can change a game. The only way you can have that is by not starting the players who you want on the bench. Think we should just enjoy a situation where our subs bench will scare the living daylights out of the likes of Norwich or Brentford ... can bring on Traore, Ings, Dougie*, ... if things aren't going well.

* Maybe. Again, I think central midfield now looks paper thin, admittedly partially because Sanson's injured and I think he'd be playing a bigger part if he wasn't. So can fully imagine we'll bring someone else in so that we've a couple of good options on the bench.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 17, 2021, 07:43:32 AM
I would be amazed on Saturday if both Ings and Watkins (if fit) do not start the game.

could see Young playing in midfield alongside Luiz and McGinn

And then it would be a choice of Buendia or Bailey on the wing
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 17, 2021, 07:45:18 AM
Indeed. But it is possible to buy players who are good enough to qualify and play in the Champions League without being in it. You don’t seem to think so, despite tge examples of Martinez and Leicester City.                                                                        I agree it is possible to recruit some champions league quality players but they wont satisfy the clamour for a statement signing because they wont have 'done it yet' in the champions league or world cup final etc
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 17, 2021, 07:52:58 AM
Nailed on Ings and Watkins will play in the same team imo. So no 2 up front, no 3 man midfield, but probably Watkins stuck in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1.

I think Ings is going to play ten with a 2 man midfield. I don't think it will work, but it's what I think we will try and do.

yeah. Its going to be some variation on that theme. I don't think it will work either to be frank.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 07:56:20 AM
Indeed. But it is possible to buy players who are good enough to qualify and play in the Champions League without being in it. You don’t seem to think so, despite tge examples of Martinez and Leicester City.                                                                        I agree it is possible to recruit some champions league quality players but they wont satisfy the clamour for a statement signing because they wont have 'done it yet' in the champions league or world cup final etc

I think the other side is the manager. The pull of, and ability. Rodgers has taken Leicester on to another level of consistency, built the squad and put them into a really good place, and been imaginative in the market.
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Post by: nigel on August 17, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
I would be amazed on Saturday if both Ings and Watkins (if fit) do not start the game.

could see Young playing in midfield alongside Luiz and McGinn

And then it would be a choice of Buendia or Bailey on the wing

I’ve a feeling Ollie will start on the bench, due to him coming off an injury, and replace Ings at some point.
You can then have Buendia and Bailey on either wing, with Traore coming on.
You can then have two 8’s and a holder.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 17, 2021, 08:13:23 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.

You could be right. But in that case it's a net spend of very modest proportions and it then seems rather fanciful to have Europe as the stated goal.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 17, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.

You could be right. But in that case it's a net spend of very modest proportions and it then seems rather fanciful to have Europe as the stated goal.

I guess, but we have spent much more than a lot of clubs in the last 3 summers. I have no idea what's going on with FFP, whether its really dead or relaxed, whether the wage bill has increased this summer, but with the premium on prices everyone is attracting post-Grealish maybe they think waiting till January or next summer is the better option. I'm not sure it is with the current holes in the squad, but maybe Smith is happy he can get a tune out the current squad?
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Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2021, 08:37:08 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.
You could be right. But in that case it's a net spend of very modest proportions and it then seems rather fanciful to have Europe as the stated goal.
I think the 'net spend' argument is a little misleading given that we brought £100m in.
Anyway, we will not be spending £80-100m on one player, that's for sure, IMO. More likely - and hopefully - Lange has his sights on a £20-25m player who can play DMF and grow into the role (as Kante did).
More concerning would be the view that Smith et al do not see the need for a DMF.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
or that they are not going to trust him with any more money?
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Post by: Big Ming on August 17, 2021, 08:48:50 AM
If we don't end up buying a specialist DCM for Nakamba to cover I had a weird idea that maybe Ash could play there.
He quite likes a tackle and can certainly carry and distribute the ball.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2021, 08:49:41 AM
or that they are not going to trust him with any more money?

We have a director of football and a recruitment team. None of the money spent has been entrusted to DS.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2021, 08:57:46 AM
If we don't end up buying a specialist DCM for Nakamba to cover I had a weird idea that maybe Ash could play there.
He quite likes a tackle and can certainly carry and distribute the ball.

I think that's the twenty-seventh different player that's been suggested to play there. Just Martinez and Steer left.

I'd rather we just spent some money and bought a proper defensive midfielder, please.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 17, 2021, 09:10:06 AM
If we don't end up buying a specialist DCM for Nakamba to cover I had a weird idea that maybe Ash could play there.
He quite likes a tackle and can certainly carry and distribute the ball.

I think that's the twenty-seventh different player that's been suggested to play there. Just Martinez and Steer left.

I'd rather we just spent some money and bought a proper defensive midfielder, please.

This isn’t hard is it. It’s been quite apparent bar the odd good backs to the wall performance Marv just isnt up to it. Fair play to the lad he’s been willing to come and give it a go but he just hasn’t got the quality on the ball to  ever make the position his own. I don’t care how hard it is, I don’t care how much it’s going to cost, the club need to get this sorted. FFS.
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Post by: jwarry on August 17, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
‘TheHotelEnd’, yes I had to read the name of their fans forum twice, don’t seem to rate big Chuck at all
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Post by: dave shelley on August 17, 2021, 09:33:32 AM
It's been evident that defensive midfield needs to be addressed since our return to the Premier League, whether those in charge see it the same way as the fans is moot.  If they continue to ignore it, not saying they are, they do so at their peril.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2021, 09:35:45 AM
Then pay them 80 mil. These owners are meant to mean business so let's make a proper statement signing
Rice is one of the best young players in England.  West Ham have been fighting off the likes of Chelsea for him for a few years.  They generally shop in the same market as us (£25-£35m) and at the moment have a better team.  We have just sold our best player.  Right now I cannot see a single reason why West Ham would contemplate selling his to us or why he would contemplate joining us.

Where I do agree is that he is an excellent player and just what we need.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 09:50:43 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.
You could be right. But in that case it's a net spend of very modest proportions and it then seems rather fanciful to have Europe as the stated goal.
I think the 'net spend' argument is a little misleading given that we brought £100m in.
Anyway, we will not be spending £80-100m on one player, that's for sure, IMO. More likely - and hopefully - Lange has his sights on a £20-25m player who can play DMF and grow into the role (as Kante did).
More concerning would be the view that Smith et al do not see the need for a DMF.

I find it strange. Barkley was bought in to play 10, and has not been replaced, and the holding midfield role has clearly been a weakness for a while. Accepting that Buendia and Bailey are essentially your replacements for Jack and Trez, Ings is the much needed quality competition for Watkins, and the other 2 are backup essentially, then it still leaves holding mid and 10 having not been addressed. I love McGinn but he's an 8 not a 10 surely, and long term should not be a certain starter. Luiz has potential. Carney has potential at 10 I would think.

Hate myself for suggesting this, but after his spell at West Ham would Lingard be worth a couple of seasons at 10 while Chuck jnr develops?
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2021, 09:54:11 AM
The Lingard who burst on the scene for his first 10 games or so at West Ham certainly would be.  The one who was shit for a few seasons before that and seemingly finished the season at West Ham notsomuch.

He's clearly a very talented player, but not one I'd risk £30m ish on.
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Post by: algy on August 17, 2021, 10:03:20 AM
Really can't see us spending another 80-100m on top of what we have. I'd be delighted to be wrong but whatever the wealth of the owners I don't think they're going to go down that route. Possibly 20-30m max i'd guess if they actually do.
You could be right. But in that case it's a net spend of very modest proportions and it then seems rather fanciful to have Europe as the stated goal.
I think the 'net spend' argument is a little misleading given that we brought £100m in.
Anyway, we will not be spending £80-100m on one player, that's for sure, IMO. More likely - and hopefully - Lange has his sights on a £20-25m player who can play DMF and grow into the role (as Kante did).
More concerning would be the view that Smith et al do not see the need for a DMF.

I find it strange. Barkley was bought in to play 10, and has not been replaced, and the holding midfield role has clearly been a weakness for a while. Accepting that Buendia and Bailey are essentially your replacements for Jack and Trez, Ings is the much needed quality competition for Watkins, and the other 2 are backup essentially, then it still leaves holding mid and 10 having not been addressed. I love McGinn but he's an 8 not a 10 surely, and long term should not be a certain starter. Luiz has potential. Carney has potential at 10 I would think.

Hate myself for suggesting this, but after his spell at West Ham would Lingard be worth a couple of seasons at 10 while Chuck jnr develops?
To be fair, Vinnie suggested a few pages back that we were still in the market for 2 midfielders and a backup gk, so it's quite possible that this problem is being addressed.
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Post by: Vegas on August 17, 2021, 10:12:04 AM
Nailed on Ings and Watkins will play in the same team imo. So no 2 up front, no 3 man midfield, but probably Watkins stuck in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1.

I think Ings is going to play ten with a 2 man midfield. I don't think it will work, but it's what I think we will try and do.

yeah. Its going to be some variation on that theme. I don't think it will work either to be frank.

I also think this is the plan, very disappointing if true. If we’ve spent £30m on a 28 / 29 year old poacher to play them as a 10, is a really underwhelming transfer plan.
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Post by: Risso on August 17, 2021, 10:19:04 AM
I like Ings as a player, and while we absolutely did need another striker, I’d rather have seen somebody a bit more mobile in the manner of Ollie coming in. Ings was like a statue on Saturday, so if he’s going to stand around in the area like he did against Watford, then Ollie is going to have to play wider, which means no room in the team for either Buendia or Bailey, which would be odd. After the initial excitement, the Ings purchase looks a teensy bit like an emergency signing on the back of selling Greasy, in order to placate the natives.
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Post by: Bobby Boy on August 17, 2021, 10:41:01 AM
The Lingard who burst on the scene for his first 10 games or so at West Ham certainly would be.  The one who was shit for a few seasons before that and seemingly finished the season at West Ham notsomuch.

He's clearly a very talented player, but not one I'd risk £30m ish on.

Lingard did well at West Ham because he was given freedom to play provided by the platform given to him by Soucek and Rice.

We don't need a Lingard or a Damsgaard or a Cantwell. We have this type of player aplenty.

We badly need a Soucek, a Rice, a Ndidi, a Kante, a Fernandinho type then all of our existing creative players will flourish. No doubt about it.

Get it done.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
I agree Bobby.
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Post by: Risso on August 17, 2021, 10:49:21 AM
The Lingard who burst on the scene for his first 10 games or so at West Ham certainly would be.  The one who was shit for a few seasons before that and seemingly finished the season at West Ham notsomuch.

He's clearly a very talented player, but not one I'd risk £30m ish on.

Lingard did well at West Ham because he was given freedom to play provided by the platform given to him by Soucek and Rice.

We don't need a Lingard or a Damsgaard or a Cantwell. We have this type of player aplenty.

We badly need a Soucek, a Rice, a Ndidi, a Kante, a Fernandinho type then all of our existing creative players will flourish. No doubt about it.

Get it done.

Exactly right. It’s so eye-bleedingly obvious, you do have to wonder why it hasn’t been addressed before now. Neither Luiz or McGinn are that sort of player, so most of the time they’re not looking as good as they should do.
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Post by: garyellis on August 17, 2021, 10:49:40 AM
My take on it is we will buy if the right player at the right price is available. FFP is no longer an issue getting value is.
Regarding the signing of Ings, we now have two of the outstanding strikers in the Premier League only at Villa could this be seen as a problem!
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Post by: ROBBO on August 17, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
But how do fit the two on the pitch together is the problem.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on August 17, 2021, 11:12:52 AM
"Those who featured in the 4-1 defeat at Anfield include Jed Steer, Axel Tuanzebe, Kortney Hause, Matt Targett, Conor Hourihane, Carney Chukwuemeka, Jaden Philogene-Bidace, Jacob Ramsey, Frederic Guilbert, Wesley, Tyreik Wright and Bertrand Traore, the latter scoring before hobbling off with French outlet Foot Mercato reporting that Traore's now facing between three to four weeks out with a hamstring injury. Foot Mercato were the first and only newspaper to report on Traore's groin operation back in June with Villa not discussing injuries or team news until Friday's press conference"

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-liverpool-traore-newcastle-21329285
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2021, 11:15:10 AM

Regarding the signing of Ings, we now have two of the outstanding strikers in the Premier League only at Villa could this be seen as a problem!

My thoughts exactly.


and If one more signing. Please a big beast in the middle with more bollocks than the  dirty dozen .
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Post by: dicedlam on August 17, 2021, 11:21:53 AM
Throw a load of dosh at Ajax for the young kid Gravenberch. Aready at aged just 19 he has played over 60 1st team games for them and also played in the champions league. This is the type of DM we should be looking to bring in.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 11:22:13 AM
Preece now reporting that we are done for the summer. If true, 15th - 10th I reckon. No way is that midfield either creative or solid enough to get us top 6-8.
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Post by: Monty on August 17, 2021, 11:22:35 AM
Isn't Preece always wrong?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 11:23:05 AM
We can but hope
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Post by: Risso on August 17, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Well he’s only backing up what Smith said.
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Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2021, 11:24:27 AM
Indeed. But it is possible to buy players who are good enough to qualify and play in the Champions League without being in it. You don’t seem to think so, despite tge examples of Martinez and Leicester City.                                                                        I agree it is possible to recruit some champions league quality players but they wont satisfy the clamour for a statement signing because they wont have 'done it yet' in the champions league or world cup final etc

I think the other side is the manager. The pull of, and ability. Rodgers has taken Leicester on to another level of consistency, built the squad and put them into a really good place, and been imaginative in the market.

It's a good point. I'm not sure how much of a pull playing for Dean Smith is to a player coming from abroad when they've likely never heard of him.

I bet if you did a poll of neutral fans as to how many PL managers they could name, Dean would be pretty low down.

Basically, until we either over-achieve or he's been impersonated by Darren Farley or Conor thingy - the annoying Irish impressionist, we'll struggle to raise our profile nationally and internationally.

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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 17, 2021, 11:25:43 AM
Isn't Preece always wrong?

Yes. Very much so.
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Post by: Monty on August 17, 2021, 11:27:07 AM
Well he’s only backing up what Smith said.

Sure, but Smith lies. Gre Gevans or especially Percy have more credibility I think, and last I checked they still though we were in the market for a midfielder. But we'll see I guess.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 17, 2021, 11:32:15 AM
Lens were on the TV over the weekend, I cant say Doucore particularly stood out. One who did was Gael Kakuta who used to play for Chelsea I think.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
Lens were on the TV over the weekend, I cant say Doucore particularly stood out. One who did was Gael Kakuta who used to play for Chelsea I think.

He's 30 and to quote a former Villa manager had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus. That said, if he can do a job..
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Post by: Risso on August 17, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Have we ever bought a player after Smith has said we’re done?
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 17, 2021, 11:39:35 AM
Lingards available for 20m apparently.  I think that would be a great bit of business if true
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
Have we ever bought a player after Smith has said we’re done?

Not that I recall - happy to be proved wrong.

With the current squad I fear for him.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 17, 2021, 11:47:49 AM
Dunno. Lingard was literally out of form at Man U for 2 years and he doesn't score enough for me
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 11:50:34 AM
Dunno. Lingard was literally out of form at Man U for 2 years and he doesn't score enough for me

He scored what 8 or 9 for West Ham in half a season? Don't get me wrong, I think he is streaky, but he looked brilliant for them at Villa Park, ran the game from the 10 kind of role.

As rightly pointed out though, you would need better than we have behind him.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 17, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Lingards available for 20m apparently.  I think that would be a great bit of business if true

If he continued his West Ham form then yes, if he reverted to teh previous three years form then less so. In any event he will surely go back to West Ham for that kind of fee.

If we are indeed done for the window, then can't see us getting higher than 15th and can see us struggling at the wrong end of the table. The current squad has no balance and the midfield is very weak. We have a lot of players to bed in up front, and you can't fit them in coherently without using a midfield two which simply wont work. I really hope we sign a more combative midfielder.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 17, 2021, 11:50:56 AM
Regarding the signing of Ings, we now have two of the outstanding strikers in the Premier League only at Villa could this be seen as a problem!
On the bright side, he's not going to score against us :)
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Post by: AV82EC on August 17, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
Do we have too? I think I’d puke if we had to put up with all that J-Lingz bullshit. It’s a no from me Clive.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 17, 2021, 11:53:41 AM
Lens were on the TV over the weekend, I cant say Doucore particularly stood out. One who did was Gael Kakuta who used to play for Chelsea I think.

He's 30 and to quote a former Villa manager had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus. That said, if he can do a job..

So he is, time flies. I thought he was about mid 20s.
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 17, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
Jose Mourinho targeting reunion with Aston Villa's former Chelsea winger

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is a reported target for AS Roma and Atalanta according to reports in Italy

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is attracting interest from clubs in Europe, if reports in Italy are to be believed.

Traore has been 'followed for several months' by AS Roma and Atalanta despite joining Villa only one year ago for £17m from French Ligue 1 outfit Lyon, according to Foot Mercato.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/traore-mourinho-transfer-villa-21329463
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 17, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
Jose Mourinho targeting reunion with Aston Villa's former Chelsea winger

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is a reported target for AS Roma and Atalanta according to reports in Italy

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is attracting interest from clubs in Europe, if reports in Italy are to be believed.

Traore has been 'followed for several months' by AS Roma and Atalanta despite joining Villa only one year ago for £17m from French Ligue 1 outfit Lyon, according to Foot Mercato.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/traore-mourinho-transfer-villa-21329463

This is directly sfter their story about him being injured for 3-4 weeks, and the one about Mourinho wanting AEG?  Bullshit merchants rewriting clickbait.
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Post by: Skerra on August 17, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
Also said in Mercato that Traore picked up a hamstring injury in our friendly with Liverpool last Sunday and is expected to be out for 4 weeks.
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Post by: The_ads on August 17, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Think we all know Ashley Preece has no contacts at Villa. No one tells the Birmingham Mail anything. Two top sources appear to be Mike McGrath and John Percy. The rest aren’t fed anything. As much as he seems a nice enough chap he’s called none of our signings and spent the summer saying Grealish was staying.
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Post by: montague on August 17, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
Lingards available for 20m apparently.  I think that would be a great bit of business if true

We do have a vacancy for a man child after you know who left
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2021, 12:37:01 PM
Flin5tone? He's back, mate.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2021, 12:40:11 PM
With Lingard I'd be conflicted in hoping he'd score for us but knowing that if he did then I'd want to punch him right in the face as soon as he did that tongue sticky out thing.
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 17, 2021, 12:59:29 PM
Flin5tone? He's back, mate.

Obsessed with Flin5tone,we know what you are
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
"We can see you sneaking out" 😉
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
With Lingard I'd be conflicted in hoping he'd score for us but knowing that if he did then I'd want to punch him right in the face as soon as he did that tongue sticky out thing.

Likewise. Hate that he'd probably be quite a good signing for us at the moment.
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Post by: placeforparks on August 17, 2021, 03:06:38 PM
Think we all know Ashley Preece has no contacts at Villa. No one tells the Birmingham Mail anything. Two top sources appear to be Mike McGrath and John Percy. The rest aren’t fed anything. As much as he seems a nice enough chap he’s called none of our signings and spent the summer saying Grealish was staying.

yes, it's sad that the evening mail has become clickbait central and are just driving traffic to their site now.

i keep eyes on the following for villa transfer news:

john percy - telegraph (midlands reporter, usually gospel)
mike mcgrath - telegraph (general football reporter, picks up bits and pieces)
tom collomosse - daily mail (midlands reporter)
adrian kajumba - daily mail (daily mail picked up leon bailey interest before anyone else)
the athletic - not so much gregg evans, but some of the other journalists are a lot closer to their clubs so pick up villa things (bid for ward prowse, smith-rowe etc).

genuinely no one picked up ings!
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Post by: mallo on August 17, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 17, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Jose Mourinho targeting reunion with Aston Villa's former Chelsea winger

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is a reported target for AS Roma and Atalanta according to reports in Italy

Aston Villa winger Bertrand Traore is attracting interest from clubs in Europe, if reports in Italy are to be believed.

Traore has been 'followed for several months' by AS Roma and Atalanta despite joining Villa only one year ago for £17m from French Ligue 1 outfit Lyon, according to Foot Mercato.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/traore-mourinho-transfer-villa-21329463

This is directly sfter their story about him being injured for 3-4 weeks, and the one about Mourinho wanting AEG?  Bullshit merchants rewriting clickbait.

To be fair they are quoting another publication (according to Foot Mercato)
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Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
Nakamba was great against Chelsea and Spurs. But then so was Konsa at right back and Hause centrally at the end of the season. The difficulty we have without that physical presence at the base of midfield is the pressure it brings elsewhere in the team.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2021, 05:58:56 PM
Lingard is a twat.
Went somewhat off the boil after a few games.
No thanks.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 17, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
he was good last season at West Ham.

still a twat.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on August 17, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.

What position was he playing in for Brazil?
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Post by: mike on August 17, 2021, 06:35:40 PM
If that's it, then I suspect the owners are giving Smith until the next window to prove himself and if he doesn't, the new man will have a 'war chest' available. Mind, I'm a miserable old git who's had a shit day.
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Post by: KRS on August 17, 2021, 06:58:54 PM
If our management team think that Luiz, SJM and Marv are a good enough midfield anchor to secure a European place then we’ll all be disappointed. We can’t be reliant upon Ramsey and Sanson either given their inexperience and fitness respectively. They NEED to be signing at least one DM if we have any chance of hitting European place ambitions.
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Post by: Tayls_7 on August 17, 2021, 07:00:44 PM
If we don't buy a dedicated DM of substantial quality in this window then it looks as though this season will be quite a disappointment.  I hope I'm wrong and missing something because I'm baffled that the management aren't of like mind.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 07:06:41 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.

What position was he playing in for Brazil?

Pat MacMahon’s (of this parish) Brazilian mate says Doug played brilliantly in our weakest position (CDM).
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 17, 2021, 07:14:18 PM
Selling Grealish and not improving the central midfield this summer would be a shit windows business and big time pressure on Smith now as bar the last 2 games of the season we've been poor for a while.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 17, 2021, 07:29:51 PM
Did we just have our first "Smith Out" comment after one game?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
What position was he playing in for Brazil?

Pat MacMahon’s (of this parish) Brazilian mate says Doug played brilliantly in our weakest position (CDM).

No, I didn't.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 17, 2021, 07:36:48 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.

What position was he playing in for Brazil?

Pat MacMahon’s (of this parish) Brazilian mate says Doug played brilliantly in our weakest position (CDM).

He barely played in the copa so the brilliant bit must’ve been during the olympics.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2021, 07:37:05 PM
Not signing a quality holding midfielder in this window would be almost as stupid as Bruce not signing a centre back at the start of the 18-19 season. That was unbelievably stupid and the new manager (Smith) went and bought 2 (on loan) at the first available opportunity afterwards. I hoped we were beyond this kind of fuck wittedness, despite all the great work that’s been done we shouldn’t be leaving big obvious holes in the squad, especially when you’d think we’ve got the money and a fair bit of pulling power at the moment.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 17, 2021, 07:41:22 PM
Did we just have our first "Smith Out" comment after one game?

From what I read on here, everybody seems to want Dean Smith to do well more than most managers who've been in charge over the years, because he's shown year or year progression and he's a Villa man. 

Recruitment isn't on Dean Smith alone anyway.  If the club puts him into bat without addressing the gaping hole in our central midfield he can't really do much about that.  My worry is that, if getting a 'big name' manager is likely to open doors to 'big name' players, and we have a dodgy start to the season, he might get pushed out.

Dean Smith carries himself really well.  I realy, really hope he delivers the goods as it will be ace to see it. 
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 17, 2021, 07:42:08 PM
Not signing a quality holding midfielder in this window would be almost as stupid as Bruce not signing a centre back at the start of the 18-19 season. That was unbelievably stupid and the new manager (Smith) went and bought 2 (on loan) at the first available opportunity afterwards. I hoped we were beyond this kind of fuck wittedness, despite all the great work that’s been done we shouldn’t be leaving big obvious holes in the squad, especially when you’d think we’ve got the money and a fair bit of pulling power at the moment.

There often comes a point where a manager is blind to their weak spots and too invested in their signings.  I hope Smith doesn’t fall into this trap and therefore must:

1. Not play every one of his attacking signings.
2. Buy a proper DCM.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 07:47:48 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.

What position was he playing in for Brazil?

Pat MacMahon’s (of this parish) Brazilian mate says Doug played brilliantly in our weakest position (CDM).

He barely played in the copa so the brilliant bit must’ve been during the olympics.

Yes, that’s what he said.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
Agreed, it needs to be new record signing DM (or ridiculously great value unearthed diamond DM) with McGinn, one from Sanson, Ramsey and Luiz and 3 from Watkins, Ings, Buendia and Bailey.

Correction, Watkins and 2 from the other 3.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 17, 2021, 08:28:58 PM
Did we just have our first "Smith Out" comment after one game?

No, just an acknowledgment that we've been mostly crap since Grealish got injured and now we don't have him anymore I'm hoping the manager has a better idea how to set the team up or he will get sacked if we continue to be crap as crap in the next 10-15 games as we've been in the previous ones.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on August 17, 2021, 08:48:59 PM
If Luis can recapture the form he had in the first half of last season then I'm not sure we need a new DCM
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 17, 2021, 08:59:19 PM
If Luis can recapture the form he had in the first half of last season then I'm not sure we need a new DCM

And if he recaptures the form of the second half we need two of them!

We absolutely need another one, what happens when he gets injured or disappears for half a season like every other season thus far.
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Post by: AGRIPPA on August 17, 2021, 09:01:07 PM
Daily Ster reporting that we signed Chuks brother in a £30m deal….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 17, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
If Luiz finds the best form he’s showed for us to date he’s still not an effective DM, not in terms of challenging for European football anyway. At his best though he’s absolutely good enough to play in a 3 with an effective DM and McGinn in a team challenging for Europe and should beat Sanson and Ramsey to the shirt.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2021, 09:14:31 PM
I like the idea of Douglas Luiz but what we've actually seen has been, most of the time, not particularly brilliant.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2021, 09:16:43 PM
Maybe getting Douglas Luiz back will be like another signing - certainly enough to put Nakamba back on the bench.

What position was he playing in for Brazil?

Pat MacMahon’s (of this parish) Brazilian mate says Doug played brilliantly in our weakest position (CDM).

Yeah he played deep but infront of Casemiro so role McGinn plays these days.

More I think about it I'd say our best balance for midfield this season would be new DM- Luiz-McGinn.

Gives us hopefully a good reader of the game, Luiz our best passer who can get our tempo up and ball up quickly to the creative players and McGinn has real licence to get forward into the box and hopefully get close to double figures.

Said it yesterday but as excting as the signing was Danny Ings isn't half going to cause us some tactical issues this season. Without him it would be pretty easy to fit buendia, Bailey and Watkins in a reasonably fluid front 3 ahead of that midfield and we'd be looking pretty strong.

No real idea how DS is going to work it all out in the long run unless one of them gets a serious injury which I certainly wouldn't wish for or he benchs one for long spells but good luck explaining that to the owners given what we've spent on them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2021, 09:19:34 PM
I like the idea of Douglas Luiz but what we've actually seen has been, most of the time, not particularly brilliant.

He was DM after lockdown when we defensively became very strong and also DM between August-Jan when again we were rarely conceding more than a goal a game on average and kept many clean sheets. So surely that deserves some credit.

Yeah inconsistant after that period but to me even an average Luiz is simply higher calibre player than Nakamba and he is still very young.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2021, 09:22:00 PM
If Luis can recapture the form he had in the first half of last season then I'm not sure we need a new DCM

No, one won’t do. Luiz in an emergency. DCM + JWP for me. Might even get away with a two in centre-mid then.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
I like the idea of Douglas Luiz but what we've actually seen has been, most of the time, not particularly brilliant.

He was DM after lockdown when we defensively became very strong and also DM between August-Jan when again we were rarely conceding more than a goal a game on average and kept many clean sheets. So surely that deserves some credit.

Yeah inconsistant after that period but to me even an average Luiz is simply higher calibre player than Nakamba and he is still very young.

I agree and I suspect he will get better as well.
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Post by: villadelph on August 17, 2021, 09:59:55 PM
Is it me, or does Arsenal going in for Odegaard make no sense..?

They just locked up ESR and gave him the 10 shirt.. and he can't move out right because Saka is there?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
‘TheHotelEnd’, yes I had to read the name of their fans forum twice, don’t seem to rate big Chuck at all

You know, that's no bad thing. Often when fans see a player that doesn't fit at a lower league level, they think it's because they're crap when actually they are just operating at a different level...
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Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2021, 10:27:11 PM
Anyway....

                        Martinez

         Tuanzebe Konsa Mings

Cash.   Luiz.       McGinn.      Young

       Buendia.   Watkins.      Bailey

----
                      Martinez

Cash. Tuanzebe Mings Targett

                      Konsa

             McGinn      Luiz

Buendia.      Watkins.   Bailey

----
                      Martinez

         Tuanzebe Konsa Mings

Cash.   Luiz.       McGinn.      Young

                   Buendia.     
            Watkins.   Ings

Ings instead of Watkins, or take a defender off and replace with Traore /Bailey etc plenty of systems that don't necessarily need this magical DM that we haven't had but still did well without for a long time last season.

There's so much flexibility with the players we have now. Our centre backs have all played full back. Our midfielders are all flexible and the forward line is too. There's loads of scope.

Anyway, I may just be delirious after a very long day. (drove to Drayton Manor, lost car key, train home, then back again and about to pick the car up and drive home again...)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 18, 2021, 01:40:29 AM
I like the formation where you have moved Konsa to a defensive midfield role, he could be a short term answer. I would suggest that he will play Watkins and Ings together so come up with a format that has both.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2021, 01:59:04 AM
I like the formation where you have moved Konsa to a defensive midfield role, he could be a short term answer. I would suggest that he will play Watkins and Ings together so come up with a format that has both.

That's tricky. Because frankly it's hard to find a system that fits all the attackers and allows a DM in the system. Perhaps that's why we haven't bought one yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2021, 02:54:11 AM
Yeah there’s absolutely no way that we can play all our attacking options without compromising midfield. Also you can’t play 2 wingers with both Watkins and Ings in a front 2, so we’d lose width and have to work the channels more. In theory we could play a 442 diamond, McGinn would literally be box to box and the wide players would have to tuck in and track back a lot, but I don’t know if Buendia and Bailey have that in their game?

               Martinez

Cash.  Konsa. Mings. Targett

                  Luiz
     Buendia.           Bailey
                McGinn

           Ings.     Watkins
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 07:10:17 AM
Surely we can't have promised those players certain starting roles. If we want to kick on, good players are going to be rotated, that's modern football. We need to pick the most balanced side we can or we become spurs under Ardilles. With the current squad, that means a 3 in midfield with McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba if need be. Get a foothold in the game and pick 3 forwards to win it. That's good enough to get enough results to be comfortable in mid table and get 45-50 points over the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
Surely we can't have promised those players certain starting roles. If we want to kick on, good players are going to be rotated, that's modern football. We need to pick the most balanced side we can or we become spurs under Ardilles. With the current squad, that means a 3 in midfield with McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba if need be. Get a foothold in the game and pick 3 forwards to win it. That's good enough to get enough results to be comfortable in mid table and get 45-50 points over the season.

Completely agree.  Looking at the team around us and they all have £20-30m players sat on their bench without it being a crisis. 
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Post by: aev on August 18, 2021, 07:34:52 AM
If we hadn't signed Ings, who would have played on Saturday?

We spent a lot of time talking (in my view rightly) about the lack of back up for Watkins. Davies and Wesley probably aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on August 18, 2021, 07:43:53 AM
Unless we sell Conor and big Wes, I don’t see us signing anyone else
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2021, 09:04:58 AM
We HAVE to sign another CM. We may have numbers but the quality of depth is the issue.
I expect Guilbert, Connor and Wes to leave freeing up incoming room!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2021, 09:11:26 AM
I don't see why bringing someone in should rest on that.  We've pretty much broken even this window surely finance isnt an issue and if we have to leave senior players out the squad then so be it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dicedlam on August 18, 2021, 09:38:08 AM
Yeah there’s absolutely no way that we can play all our attacking options without compromising midfield. Also you can’t play 2 wingers with both Watkins and Ings in a front 2, so we’d lose width and have to work the channels more. In theory we could play a 442 diamond, McGinn would literally be box to box and the wide players would have to tuck in and track back a lot, but I don’t know if Buendia and Bailey have that in their game?

               Martinez

Cash.  Konsa. Mings. Targett

                  Luiz
     Buendia.           Bailey
                McGinn

           Ings.     Watkins


                                Martinez

      Cash     Konsa           Mings         Targett

 Buendia/Traore     McGinn      Luiz    El Ghazi/Bailey

                           Ings

            Watkins

The only reservation I have with this formation is if Bailey is willing to put the leg work in needed to track back and help Targett.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2021, 09:50:46 AM
Unless we sell Conor and big Wes, I don’t see us signing anyone else
Why?
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Post by: sid1964 on August 18, 2021, 10:23:09 AM
I would imagine we are playing by FFP rules - we are Aston Villa and have to do everything by the rule book
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 18, 2021, 10:27:58 AM
There is no reason why would be unable to spend big this year having received £100 million when we spent loads in the previous two years having received virtually sod all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 10:34:07 AM
I would imagine we are playing by FFP rules - we are Aston Villa and have to do everything by the rule book
Nope. We have not even spent the Grealish Money. Also our spend this year is about GBP22,500 a year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2021, 11:15:40 AM
I don't see why bringing someone in should rest on that.  We've pretty much broken even this window surely finance isnt an issue and if we have to leave senior players out the squad then so be it.

Doesn’t the amount of people you have in a squad become a factor as well? The youth don’t have to be named, but looki g at it we must be pretty nearly maxed out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2021, 11:25:51 AM
It's a shame if Guilbert goes, but c'est la vie.  Any more sniffs Vinnie?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 18, 2021, 11:53:26 AM
I don't see why bringing someone in should rest on that.  We've pretty much broken even this window surely finance isnt an issue and if we have to leave senior players out the squad then so be it.



We've broken even with the transfers. Don't forget the tidy sum we will have received for our Premier league finish
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Less the lack of gate receipts, corporate income and Villa-Village matchday spend from last season.
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Post by: algy on August 18, 2021, 12:28:50 PM
Less the lack of gate receipts, corporate income and Villa-Village matchday spend from last season.
Yeah, I'd be cautious in assuming that £100m sales means we'll automatically have £200m burning a hole in our pockets. We've already spend more this summer than we did last summer, especially if you count Sanson who was brought in earlier than planned.

Could see us having similar spending to our first season back (so either one more big signing, or 2/3 if we go bargain hunting). That will hopefully put us in a place where we've spent where it was needed, but have kept the FFP powder dry. We'll still be able to spend a good wedge next summer, hopefully without paying Joe-based inflation on anyone we bring in as Citeh will have got bored and brought themselves a new toy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 12:33:08 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2021, 12:36:34 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

Well it might if you're looking for ways to be 'disgusted of Birmingham'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
Sorry, 'disgusted of Bedrock'.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2021, 12:38:59 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

You really are always offended and disgusted at everything we do. Fuck me you must be miserable to live with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 12:42:06 PM
He's right about Monster though. It's pish.

I'm glad we don't have a gambling firm as a shirt sponsor at least (although I haven't checked who our 'arm sleeve' sponsor is).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 18, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
As long as nobody forces me to drink the fucking stuff, I'm not fussed if they want to bung us a few quid.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on August 18, 2021, 12:49:55 PM
Exactly, if they want to shovel money into the AVFC piggy bank then let them, I’ll never buy it, it’s revolting. And we can’t go moaning about lack of signings on the one hand and then start moaning when part of the money that pays for those signings is commercial income. It would be lovely to be this fluffy vegan sandal wearing cooperative of do gooders who sell all our commercial sponsorship for 2 Organic alpacas and a bag for life but the commercial reality is we need the money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 18, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
Could explain why we were so crap against Watford though if half the players had an irregular heartbeat from all the caffeine they'd drunk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap
Outrageous, absolutely shocking. What ever next.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
It's called growing the commercial side of the club FFS!

Can he play CDM?
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Post by: wince on August 18, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap
Outrageous, absolutely shocking. What ever next.

Doubt Fred is into motorsport. Could be the even more dubious bed rull.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
It's called growing the commercial side of the club FFS!

Can he play CDM?
I don’t know, but I thought we wanted a Beast, not a Monster. We’re going down the drain, I tell thee!
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Post by: sid1964 on August 18, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
I wonder if they will be giving out free monster energy drinks on Saturday

If they are someone else can have mine

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2021, 01:28:51 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap
Outrageous, absolutely shocking. What ever next.

Ignore him, he's a bore.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2021, 01:32:43 PM
When the need for a CDM is so glaringly obvious, as well as astounded, i will be bloody angry if it not addressed by close of window. They MUST have targets they MUST of put bids in

Get it done and get them in

Win Saturday, even with a limp performance, and there will be more questions raised of our entire coaching / managerial set up.

God forbid we lose in terrible fashion - there will be clamour for change
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: caster troy on August 18, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

Tiger Woods is (was?) sponsored by Monster. Even won the Masters with a Monster bag. If it's good enough for the GOAT I certainly don't have a problem with it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 18, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
I'm not sure you should be giving it to goats tbh.
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Post by: cdward on August 18, 2021, 02:26:04 PM
Nigel Kennedy will be happy..
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2021, 02:37:07 PM
The white zero sugar monster pre gym session is the one 👌🏻
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

Tiger Woods is (was?) sponsored by Monster. Even won the Masters with a Monster bag. If it's good enough for the GOAT I certainly don't have a problem with it.

So, if I have this right, Villa are now sponsored by one of the great live bands of recent years

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 18, 2021, 02:48:12 PM
We're in the Premier League, one of the most rapacious entities on earth. We had no qualms about taking £100 million of oil money. Spare us the hand-wringing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nick harper on August 18, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
Is Sanson a CDM or has he played there? I don’t know what position he is challenging for when fit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 18, 2021, 03:16:47 PM
Our problem isn’t just that we need a defensive midfielder to stop other players from playing
We need someone in that spot who can play out pass the ball get the ball from defence to other midfield playmakers from defence to the forwards

Luiz is the best option
He is a class player and will definitely get better and better
We’ve all seen him when on form be the best player in the team at times so we know he can do it

He’s good enough for Brazil I think he’s good enough for Villa

If we bring someone else in fair enough I’m not against that but I’m just saying that Luiz is a good enough player imo
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Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 03:23:36 PM
Anyone else getting odd tweets on the avfc #?
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Post by: p_ad on August 18, 2021, 03:37:03 PM
Is Dr Tony back😱
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 18, 2021, 03:43:32 PM
We’re desperate for a physical presence in centre mid.
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Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2021, 03:48:21 PM
Is it true Southampton put a 50m price tag on JWP?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Randy Gurner on August 18, 2021, 03:53:55 PM
Our problem isn’t just that we need a defensive midfielder to stop other players from playing
We need someone in that spot who can play out pass the ball get the ball from defence to other midfield playmakers from defence to the forwards

Luiz is the best option
He is a class player and will definitely get better and better
We’ve all seen him when on form be the best player in the team at times so we know he can do it

He’s good enough for Brazil I think he’s good enough for Villa

If we bring someone else in fair enough I’m not against that but I’m just saying that Luiz is a good enough player imo

I agree, I think he's class and will only get better with the right support and coaching from Dean Smith & the coaching staff.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 18, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
He's similar to Ward Prowse and similar to Sanson. With that in mind, even though i do rate Ward Prowe a lot i'm not seeing us pay £50m for him. I think he's this years Milot Rashica.
They must have some hope for Sanson after giving him the number 8 shirt, i'm quite happy to see Luiz in with McGinn and a big upgrade on Nakamba with Nakamba, Sanson, Ramsey and the youngsters as back up to those 3. As many have pointed out, a dominant centre mid would bring the best out of McGinn and Luiz and allow them to play a bit further forward. Luiz is no wimp but i'd love to see him further up linking with the forwards.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 04:47:45 PM
Our problem isn’t just that we need a defensive midfielder to stop other players from playing
We need someone in that spot who can play out pass the ball get the ball from defence to other midfield playmakers from defence to the forwards

Luiz is the best option
He is a class player and will definitely get better and better
We’ve all seen him when on form be the best player in the team at times so we know he can do it

He’s good enough for Brazil I think he’s good enough for Villa

If we bring someone else in fair enough I’m not against that but I’m just saying that Luiz is a good enough player imo

I agree, I think he's class and will only get better with the right support and coaching from Dean Smith & the coaching staff.
He is poor at tackling and does not provide Defensive Midfield cover.
We have had a problem in this area for 2 years and it needs resolving.
I think Luiz is a good player and will get better but he is not the answer.
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Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 05:07:57 PM
Chelsea loaning out BashitCrazy for the 50th time, this time to Besiktas but extending his contract at the time; selling Tammy to Roma with a buy-back option; making money from other players that have had successful loan-spell (some chap at AC Milan) amongst probably 20+ other young/talented players officially on their books but likely plying their wares elsewhere this season....

Is the transfer/loan system really fit for purpose when the likes of Chelsea can just exploit it to within an inch of its life? Why not ban them from loaning players out as punishment for their ESL attempts rather than a shitty little fine? Punish the privileged who don't give a shit about the system they abuse.
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Post by: john e on August 18, 2021, 05:10:43 PM
Chelsea loaning out BashitCrazy for the 50th time, this time to Besiktas but extending his contract at the time; selling Tammy to Roma with a buy-back option; making money from other players that have had successful loan-spell (some chap at AC Milan) amongst probably 20+ other young/talented players officially on their books but likely plying their wares elsewhere this season....

Is the transfer/loan system really fit for purpose when the likes of Chelsea can just exploit it to within an inch of its life? Why not ban them from loaning players out as punishment for their ESL attempts rather than a shitty little fine? Punish the privileged who don't give a shit about the system they abuse.

Aren’t they just working the system to Their own advantage
I also thought our academy system was using there’s as a template
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 18, 2021, 05:30:19 PM
Chelsea loaning out BashitCrazy for the 50th time, this time to Besiktas but extending his contract at the time; selling Tammy to Roma with a buy-back option; making money from other players that have had successful loan-spell (some chap at AC Milan) amongst probably 20+ other young/talented players officially on their books but likely plying their wares elsewhere this season....

Is the transfer/loan system really fit for purpose when the likes of Chelsea can just exploit it to within an inch of its life? Why not ban them from loaning players out as punishment for their ESL attempts rather than a shitty little fine? Punish the privileged who don't give a shit about the system they abuse.

Aren’t they just working the system to Their own advantage
I also thought our academy system was using there’s as a template

Yes pretty sure our owners are looking to emulate it. Look how many young players we are hoovering up and loaning out this season, I think we are using Chelsea as a model. Hoping to get the odd player through to the first team, whilst selling and earning loan fees from the ones that don't make it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2021, 05:32:39 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

You really are always offended and disgusted at everything we do. Fuck me you must be miserable to live with.
I wonder what his mood was like in the 2018 pre-season when Dr Tony was busy selling off a car park to save the club from liquidation? Short memory.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Skerra on August 18, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Looks like it was correct about Traore hamstring injury. That’s usually a 4 week lay off but, being Villa, about 6 to 9 months probably more likely!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 05:44:42 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

You really are always offended and disgusted at everything we do. Fuck me you must be miserable to live with.
I wonder what his mood was like in the 2018 pre-season when Dr Tony was busy selling off a car park to save the club from liquidation? Short memory.

What has Dr Tony and a Car Park got to do with us linking up with unethical companies NOW? I appreciate the efforts of the current board but let's not forget we all got excited at the start of the Randy era and look how that ended..... as it stands the board have spent Zero this summer and we are in desperate need of reinforcements, in my opinion.

Losing two high quality coaches and our star player has hardly left me feeling excited,especially after that disaster on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 05:47:34 PM
On the pitch and coaching I agree, it's a bit crap.

But the sponsorship stuff is looking for a stick to beat the club with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Chelsea loaning out BashitCrazy for the 50th time, this time to Besiktas but extending his contract at the time; selling Tammy to Roma with a buy-back option; making money from other players that have had successful loan-spell (some chap at AC Milan) amongst probably 20+ other young/talented players officially on their books but likely plying their wares elsewhere this season....

Is the transfer/loan system really fit for purpose when the likes of Chelsea can just exploit it to within an inch of its life? Why not ban them from loaning players out as punishment for their ESL attempts rather than a shitty little fine? Punish the privileged who don't give a shit about the system they abuse.

Aren’t they just working the system to Their own advantage
I also thought our academy system was using there’s as a template

Yes pretty sure our owners are looking to emulate it. Look how many young players we are hoovering up and loaning out this season, I think we are using Chelsea as a model. Hoping to get the odd player through to the first team, whilst selling and earning loan fees from the ones that don't make it.

I'm sure I'll get round to accepting it when we're doing it on a widescale basis like the Fulham Road Bandits.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 18, 2021, 06:20:56 PM
£50m is apparently the quoted price for Ward-Prowse (source:HTIC).  At that I'd be inclined to say 'no thanks', also Cantwell is 40+ (again reportedly). 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 18, 2021, 06:27:50 PM
£50m is apparently the quoted price for Ward-Prowse (source:HTIC).  At that I'd be inclined to say 'no thanks', also Cantwell is 40+ (again reportedly). 

Who cares?  If the owners have the money (they do) and want to spend it, and if Dean Smith and the recruitment team think he's the answer?  I mean I honestly don't get why fans are arsed abut whether it's £40m or £50m, when both costs are absurd anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
£50m is apparently the quoted price for Ward-Prowse (source:HTIC).  At that I'd be inclined to say 'no thanks', also Cantwell is 40+ (again reportedly).
Personally neither excite me in any way (cant believe I would say that about potentially signing 40/50m players!!) I’d like to think that there is far better value in Europe - like most would like to see a cloned Ndidi / Kante type rather than JWP who is an upgraded Hourihane but not an enforcer.

Hoping Lange is finding that player rather than just focussing on players who have done well against us with the associated premium
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 18, 2021, 06:34:58 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

C4, must try better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2021, 06:37:55 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

You really are always offended and disgusted at everything we do. Fuck me you must be miserable to live with.
I wonder what his mood was like in the 2018 pre-season when Dr Tony was busy selling off a car park to save the club from liquidation? Short memory.

What has Dr Tony and a Car Park got to do with us linking up with unethical companies NOW? I appreciate the efforts of the current board but let's not forget we all got excited at the start of the Randy era and look how that ended..... as it stands the board have spent Zero this summer and we are in desperate need of reinforcements, in my opinion.

Losing two high quality coaches and our star player has hardly left me feeling excited,especially after that disaster on Saturday.
Losing two coaches so close to the season is a blow I agree but if replacements are deemed necessary I have every confidence in the club to do just that. But getting upset about an energy drink company being involved in the club is just looking for negatives. There's an awful lot of dirty money floating around the Premier league. It's hardly up there with human rights abuse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: WRVilla on August 18, 2021, 06:43:27 PM
£50 million for James Ward-Prowse… wow. I guess that reflects what he’s worth to them but it’s a huge amount of money. Not for me, if we have that to spend I’d be looking to use it on a quality defensive/holding midfielder. No idea who though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 18, 2021, 06:49:52 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

I’d write to the club and tell them how disillusioned you are and how everything about Aston Villa makes you so unhappy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 18, 2021, 06:50:36 PM
Juventus have just bought Locatelli, probably the best DM at the Euros for £30m on a £2.5m pa contract.

For me it shows the complete lack of value in JWP or other PL players
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
£50 million for James Ward-Prowse… wow. I guess that reflects what he’s worth to them but it’s a huge amount of money. Not for me, if we have that to spend I’d be looking to use it on a quality defensive/holding midfielder. No idea who though.
Southampton have done the same as we did with Grealish. They don't want or need to sell him so they've slapped a price tag on him put clubs off. That's their prerogative.We didn't expect anyone to cough up 100 mil but Ci£y did and forced our hand. Our owners now have a choice. Pay up or move on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 18, 2021, 06:53:33 PM
Juventus have just bought Locatelli, probably the best DM at the Euros for £30m on a £2.5m pa contract.

For me it shows the complete lack of value in JWP or other PL players

Yup, I know we all like Lange's crazed grin but it is a bit odd aren't picking up an overseas bargain.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

You really are always offended and disgusted at everything we do. Fuck me you must be miserable to live with.
I wonder what his mood was like in the 2018 pre-season when Dr Tony was busy selling off a car park to save the club from liquidation? Short memory.

What has Dr Tony and a Car Park got to do with us linking up with unethical companies NOW? I appreciate the efforts of the current board but let's not forget we all got excited at the start of the Randy era and look how that ended.

You got excited?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
Well we've 'unveiled' Monster Energy Drinks as a club Partner today , that's about it.

Really becoming disillusioned with some of what is going on at the Club this Summer.

John Terry , ROK out and dodgy deals with a crypto currency and a Teeth Rotting , unhealthy Drinks Company?
Are we that desperate for Sponsorship we have to lower ourselves to Monster?  I thought we had a touch of class , the club that had Accorns on the front of our jersey.....terrible move and looks desperate and cheap

I’d write to the club and tell them how disillusioned you are and how everything about Aston Villa makes you so unhappy.
It's mad isn't it? We were about to go under with Tony X and out of the blue along came Sawiris & Wes Edens. Already we have fans forgetting the perilous situation we were in and moaning that they don't like where the money is coming from.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 07:10:35 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 18, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 07:15:32 PM
Anyway... Back to my weird twitter # stuff. When I do an #avfc search, I get all the avfc posts, but also loads of gumf from people that have avl in their user name. Any ideas why?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 07:16:14 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?

All evil. All got letters. Football should not be commercial.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2021, 07:33:57 PM
Juventus have just bought Locatelli, probably the best DM at the Euros for £30m on a £2.5m pa contract.

For me it shows the complete lack of value in JWP or other PL players

Locatelli wanted to stay in Italy and the money in Italy for clubs simply isn't as flush as in the PL. Inevitably players between PL clubs and players being bought to PL clubs from around the world are a little inflated. Toss in "he's English" and you add a few more quid to the value.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 18, 2021, 07:34:51 PM
No thanks for JWP at £50mil - I'd rather sign a proper defensive midfielder or give more game time to the younger players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone
actually Gambling is far more dangerous and results in all sorts of problems including domestic violence and suicides. I hate these products but would suggest that gambling is worse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 18, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone
good job we're not sponsored by KP nuts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2021, 07:41:10 PM
Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front,

They don't allow them on the kids kits anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2021, 07:46:49 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone
actually Gambling is far more dangerous and results in all sorts of problems including domestic violence and suicides. I hate these products but would suggest that gambling is worse.

It's a traditional British pursuit.

It's no worse ethically than, say, the years we profited from Lerner's family fortune made by predatory, debt-inducing money lending via credit cards.

Football is awash with hypocrisy, absolutely everywhere you look.

Look who funds the champions, for starters. Look where the next WC is being held. It's awash in absolute two-faced unethical shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 18, 2021, 07:50:11 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone

In that case, as you didn’t complain then, I would suggest you look up horror stories connected with gambling. You may well learn something. 

Then you can further overwork our admin staff with some retrospective emails regarding all of those companies too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 07:51:32 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?


Although not great and I have never worn a shirt with a Gambling Sponsor on the front, they really do not compare to the damage these drinks do to the Human Body. I have not read of Unibet directly killing someone
actually Gambling is far more dangerous and results in all sorts of problems including domestic violence and suicides. I hate these products but would suggest that gambling is worse.

It's a traditional British pursuit.

It's no worse ethically than, say, the years we profited from Lerner's family fortune made by predatory, debt-inducing money lending via credit cards.

Football is awash with hypocrisy, absolutely everywhere you look.

Look who funds the champions, for starters. Look where the next WC is being held. It's awash in absolute two-faced unethical shit.
A few Bob on the horses is miles away from internet gaming.
Agree it’s a slippery slope trying to adjudicate one unethical product from another.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 18, 2021, 08:07:47 PM
Anyway... Back to my weird twitter # stuff. When I do an #avfc search, I get all the avfc posts, but also loads of gumf from people that have avl in their user name. Any ideas why?

AVL is the abbreviation for matches.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 18, 2021, 08:13:32 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?

All evil. All got letters. Football should not be commercial.

Personally I couldn’t give a fuck where the money comes from-energy drink companies, porn, child slave labour, terrorism etc…if it gets us champions league football it’ll be worth it
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 18, 2021, 08:14:46 PM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email



Did you do the same with W88, 32RED, Unibet, Dafabet, Genting etc?

Why not? A W88 is an American nuclear warhead....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 08:57:57 PM
Anyway... Back to my weird twitter # stuff. When I do an #avfc search, I get all the avfc posts, but also loads of gumf from people that have avl in their user name. Any ideas why?

AVL is the abbreviation for matches.

I'm not searching avl, it just comes up. It's weird. Only does it when I'm logged into twitter too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2021, 09:13:18 PM
Anyway... Back to my weird twitter # stuff. When I do an #avfc search, I get all the avfc posts, but also loads of gumf from people that have avl in their user name. Any ideas why?

AVL is the abbreviation for matches.

I'm not searching avl, it just comes up. It's weird. Only does it when I'm logged into twitter too.

They're linked search terms in the twitter algorithm because, as Dave says, AVL is the default for us when we're live.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 18, 2021, 09:15:30 PM
Unfortunately, I've heard from my Villa mad neighbour (his nephew has a reliable contact in the club) that we're not going to get anyone else this window. Apparently Deano is happy with what he's got already.

I sincerely hope he's wrong. 🙏
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2021, 09:21:44 PM
Unfortunately, I've heard from my Villa mad neighbour (his nephew has a reliable contact in the club) that we're not going to get anyone else this window. Apparently Deano is happy with what he's got already.

I sincerely hope he's wrong. 🙏

So do I. Just out of interest, did he tell you about Danny Ings? Or others we’ve signed?

IMO, to trouble the upper reaches of the table, we need JWP and Bissouma or a player exactly like him re: position and ability. Both are better than any of our current midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2021, 09:36:38 PM
Unfortunately, I've heard from my Villa mad neighbour (his nephew has a reliable contact in the club) that we're not going to get anyone else this window. Apparently Deano is happy with what he's got already.

I sincerely hope he's wrong. 🙏

Maybe he's saving some of the war chest for January.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 18, 2021, 09:53:35 PM
Unfortunately, I've heard from my Villa mad neighbour (his nephew has a reliable contact in the club) that we're not going to get anyone else this window. Apparently Deano is happy with what he's got already.

I sincerely hope he's wrong. 🙏

So do I. Just out of interest, did he tell you about Danny Ings? Or others we’ve signed?

IMO, to trouble the upper reaches of the table, we need JWP and Bissouma or a player exactly like him re: position and ability. Both are better than any of our current midfielders.
He was right about Jack leaving before it was confirmed, unfortunately.

Question is, would we be prepared to pay £50 million for JWP? Might have to look abroad, unless there a suitable prospect in the youth team that Deano wants to bring through. Haven't got long to go though.

Perhaps Villadelph is right and he's waiting for January. You definitely pay over the odds for players then!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2021, 10:00:46 PM
Spurs have signed two players on loan and the Locatelli deal is a two year loan, all with obligations to buy afterwards.  Most clubs are skint.
I think we are missing a trick not pushing ourselves now.  The market will be different once stadiums are full and cash starts flowing again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 18, 2021, 10:13:09 PM
We need a centre mid.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 10:13:38 PM
With a net spend of less - £5m. We know the money is there, Bailey and Buendia were both signed to play with, not replace Jack according to most reliable sources about Villa in the media. So there is a decent pot to spend. Would I spend £50m of it on Ward Prowse.. Maybe. His stats are remarkably good for an all round midfielder abs he brings leadership and if course set plays.

I think we'd get just as much value from loaning in Gueye and sitting him in front of our back 4 and buying Lingard cheaply to play 10 though. Sad as it is to admit about him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 18, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.
Yeah - maybe a slightly better squad but a worse team.

It doesn’t feel like a team that will trouble for the european places.  Hope dean isn’t the fall guy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Fred Crump on August 18, 2021, 10:28:50 PM
If we don’t strengthen midfield I can’t see us finishing as high as last year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 10:36:20 PM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 18, 2021, 10:47:05 PM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.

I'd have been worried.

I don't have an issue with the net spend, as I want us to be a well run club that can wash its face financially. I do have an issue with the disjointed squad the summer will have left us with if no more transfers come in. We could have spent the same and improved the balance of the team, but thus far we have created more problems.

Letting our best player go who played LW and then replacing with two RW and a striker whilst not addressing any of the longstanding problems in midfield is borderline negligent and is setting us up for a lower end of the table finish.

Still think we will sign someone decent to shore up midfield, but have to admit I am starting to worry we wont.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 18, 2021, 10:50:26 PM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

Bit OTT. Yes midfield is unbalanced currently but they're not bad players and McGinn and Luiz on form are decent enough for where we are as a club presently.

Bailey, Ings and Buendia are pretty exciting signings for club that's just finished 11th. Hopefully it was just a bad first half at Watford and defence will show in next few games the standard it did in 20-21.

Still plenty of positives but we obviously need that first win soon to dispel any nervous tension that is building up because of what happened two weeks ago.

Think biggest problem is the manager working out what to do with all the options he now has, not convinced DS will come up with a reliable formation and system for next 5 months tbh.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2021, 10:50:27 PM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

Can't you do something better on the Web like have a posh wank instead of trolling us, you irritating belter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 10:52:56 PM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

Seriously?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OzVilla on August 18, 2021, 10:54:43 PM
I wouldn’t be touching JWP if the price is £50 million. Much rather Maddison if it’s in that territory.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 18, 2021, 11:11:18 PM
The only thing I can see being good about not signing a central midfielder is maybe they've seen enough to convince them that (Carney) Chukwuemeka is going to be amazing, or they really haven't given up on Sanson yet.

It does seem like we always want to leave out transfer windows (at least) one signing short after trying to wing the last two seasons without a backup centre forward we now find ourselves in the position whereby, seemingly, every Villa fan except the one currently managing the team can see what we need.

Ah well, as someone else said I suppose it gives us room to improve in the winter if things have gone to shit in the meantime.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:14:07 PM
Chukwuemeka is unproven at this level and Sanson has shown very little.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:15:14 PM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 18, 2021, 11:15:55 PM
I don't disagree. We seem to be gambling unnecessarily. Had we adopted the same approach up front we'd have given Samatta another try and never bothered splashing the cash on Watkins. That doesn't really bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:17:10 PM
I don't disagree. We seem to be gambling unnecessarily. Had we adopted the same approach up front we'd have given Samatta another try and never bothered splashing the cash on Watkins. That doesn't really bear thinking about.

Shudders.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2021, 11:26:54 PM
I wouldn’t be touching JWP if the price is £50 million. Much rather Maddison if it’s in that territory.

Maddison would be £60/70m I reckon. But I’d sell virtually anybody if it got us a central midfield of him, JWP and Bissouma.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2021, 11:45:22 PM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Andros went to Everton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 18, 2021, 11:52:41 PM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Andros went to Everton.
I’m not sure if your reply was intentionally sarcastic and hilarious?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:54:15 PM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Andros went to Everton.

Andy Townsend. Never heard of him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:55:02 PM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Andros went to Everton.
I’m not sure if your reply was intentionally sarcastic and hilarious?

If so, it went straight over my head.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 11:57:53 PM
Here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Townsend
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 12:03:50 AM
Andy Townsend and Kevin Richardson would be ideal in our team right now…can we bring them out of retirement?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2021, 12:03:53 AM
The only thing I can see being good about not signing a central midfielder is maybe they've seen enough to convince them that (Carney) Chukwuemeka is going to be amazing, or they really haven't given up on Sanson yet.

It does seem like we always want to leave out transfer windows (at least) one signing short after trying to wing the last two seasons without a backup centre forward we now find ourselves in the position whereby, seemingly, every Villa fan except the one currently managing the team can see what we need.

Ah well, as someone else said I suppose it gives us room to improve in the winter if things have gone to shit in the meantime.

Saw Sanson a bit for Marseille, he ain't no DM. More just a busy box to box player as we've seen in his rare appearances for us. So think he'll just be backup for McGinn although if our midfield remains dodgy SJM isn't being rested anytime soon so hard to see him getting significant minutes.

Thought Carney was more advanced midfielder aswell?

That's the problem. We could try and be like a Liverpool with three of similar qualities in there but means we'd have to take an attacker out and not sure that will happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 12:08:43 AM
Yeah I think I recall Sanson was brought in to ease the load on SJM as a high energy box to box midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: thick_mike on August 19, 2021, 12:33:09 AM
Do we need a specialist DCM? Why not three bodies that can rotate in the midfield positions, e.g. McGinn, Doug and Sanson/Buendia? Each can play more defensively or advanced as the game requires. I know people are concerned about the lack of physicality, but Kante is hardly Hulk Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 12:35:37 AM
That could work but no idea how you get both Ings and Watkins in that formation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 01:15:58 AM
I personally don’t think both Ings and Watkins should be shoehorned into any starting formation. We needed a quality backup option for Watkins (because Davis and Wes simply aren’t), and this is what we now have with Ings, so it doesn’t make much sense creating such an imbalance for the team by playing them both. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with rotating them or having one sit on the bench every game if required…essentially we need to think of this as a squad not the 11 on the pitch at any given time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 01:28:10 AM
That's how I feel though I don't think the club agree with us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2021, 02:02:40 AM
I think the only way we get them both in effectively is by being a Liverpool tribute act with Ollie as Mane, Ings as Firmino and Bailey as Salah.

We’d then be looking at trying to cobble together a highly efficient midfield three that includes Buendia. Not easy, but again, JWP and his impressive tackling and running stats would be a big help if that’s what we were trying to do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 19, 2021, 03:07:23 AM
Outside of that though our best midfield 3 with Buendia would be alongside Luiz and SJM. On paper that’s not a bad midfield, but the problems with that start with the squad options we have when one of them gets injured or suspended…at this stage we simply can’t rely on Nakamba and Ramsey if our target is top 10 pushing for Europe. We need to strengthen midfield for any chance of those ambitions to be realised.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 06:53:21 AM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

You must be getting a little tired or weary of this?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 07:05:35 AM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

You must be getting a little tired or weary of this?

Why don't you ignore his posts?

While I don't think we will be seriously, I think we will flirt with the bottom 3 a bit, if we don't get a better midfield option. It's not outrageous to think when without Jack last season we were relegation form, and we're 3 nil down at Watford at the weekend, and have a slightly disjointed squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 07:20:51 AM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.

Even if adding that centre midfielder enforcer was included into that list above, it will always  be underwhelming because of one factor. I think we all thought it wouldn’t happen this summer at least, maybe next year but certainly not this one.

What a wanker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 19, 2021, 07:28:33 AM
I personally don’t think both Ings and Watkins should be shoehorned into any starting formation. We needed a quality backup option for Watkins (because Davis and Wes simply aren’t), and this is what we now have with Ings, so it doesn’t make much sense creating such an imbalance for the team by playing them both. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with rotating them or having one sit on the bench every game if required…essentially we need to think of this as a squad not the 11 on the pitch at any given time.
Exactly this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 19, 2021, 07:31:48 AM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.

Even if adding that centre midfielder enforcer was included into that list above, it will always  be underwhelming because of one factor. I think we all thought it wouldn’t happen this summer at least, maybe next year but certainly not this one.

What a wanker.
spot on too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 07:35:56 AM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.

Even if adding that centre midfielder enforcer was included into that list above, it will always  be underwhelming because of one factor. I think we all thought it wouldn’t happen this summer at least, maybe next year but certainly not this one.

What a wanker.
spot on too

Only way this summer doesn't look a let down is getting a couple of better players than we have in key positions, which looks unlikely. Rat boy was almost like 2 players for us on a match day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 19, 2021, 07:40:42 AM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

You must be getting a little tired or weary of this?
The desperation of wanting to play us shows through a bit.
I yabba dabba do think its unlikely to happen though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 07:47:22 AM
The signings are very good for the Championship/lower ends of the PL

A.Young - 36 year old
Buendia - unproven Championship Player
Ings-very good but injury prone
Bailey-Very exciting prospect but unknown to how he will perform in this league
Tuanzebe-Loan signing

If this is all we have in return of Jack Grealish it's very , very worrying. If they were an addition to keeping him then great.

I was expecting at least another 2 high profile signings
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 19, 2021, 07:51:07 AM
The signings are very good for the Chanpionship/lower ends of the PL

A.Young - 36 year old
Buendia - unproven Championship Player
Ings-very good but injury prone
Bailey-Very exciting prospect but unknown to how he will perform in this league
Tuanzebe-Loan signing

If this is all we have in return of Jack Grealish it's very , very worrying. If they were an addition to keeping him then great.

I was expecting at least another 2 high profile signings


Young - experienced player with plenty of medals, presumably will be a positive influence on our talented youngsters.
Buendia - He stats (if you like those) were v good in a relegated Norwich team, and clearly had an excellent season last year.
Ings - Missed 9 games in 2 years, Hardly injury prone. A massive upgrade on Davies / Wesley
Bailey - We don't know, but I think he will be excellent.
Tuanzebe - An upgrade on Engels, who hardly played anyway.

Cheer up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
The signings are very good for the Chanpionship/lower ends of the PL

A.Young - 36 year old
Buendia - unproven Championship Player
Ings-very good but injury prone
Bailey-Very exciting prospect but unknown to how he will perform in this league
Tuanzebe-Loan signing

If this is all we have in return of Jack Grealish it's very , very worrying. If they were an addition to keeping him then great.

I was expecting at least another 2 high profile signings


Young - experienced player with plenty of medals, presumably will be a positive influence on our talented youngsters.
Buendia - He stats (if you like those) were v good in a relegated Norwich team, and clearly had an excellent season last year.
Ings - Missed 9 games in 2 years, Hardly injury prone. A massive upgrade on Davies / Wesley
Bailey - We don't know, but I think he will be excellent.
Tuanzebe - An upgrade on Engels, who hardly played anyway.

Cheer up.

Agreed. The signings are good players and top half level. The issue is the balance and the gaps that remain.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 08:02:54 AM
We all said we needed another striker, it was a must. It was a gamble last year to do what we did. I just don’t think we expected a striker with the proven talent of Ings. There was plenty of times last season even with that traitor playing well, we couldn’t break down sides and called for two up front. Quite often against the more dogged teams, Burnley and West Ham at home who we absolutely battered but couldn’t score.

It’s a tough one, but trying to fit the few players we have purchased into a system is still something I’d rather have than still have to be reliant on Davis, AEG, Bert and Trez (If and when fit).

I’m more than happy with the players we have brought in, all going to be a success I’m convinced and I’m not convinced we haven’t finished yet, there maybe a late surprise still.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2021, 08:12:20 AM
We really do need a modern-day version of Andy Townsend.
Andros went to Everton.

Brilliant Footy! 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

You must be getting a little tired or weary of this?

Why don't you ignore his posts?

While I don't think we will be seriously, I think we will flirt with the bottom 3 a bit, if we don't get a better midfield option. It's not outrageous to think when without Jack last season we were relegation form, and we're 3 nil down at Watford at the weekend, and have a slightly disjointed squad at the moment.

I do. But when people quote them, I see them, so I’ll reply where I see fit.

For what it’s worth, I’m worried too, but mine sees us staying somewhere in mid table all season at the moment. Certainly not being relegated and asking “Where’s the money?”

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FatSam on August 19, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
Juventus have just bought Locatelli, probably the best DM at the Euros for £30m on a £2.5m pa contract.

For me it shows the complete lack of value in JWP or other PL players
… and Dumfries went to Inter for £10m. That would be a £30-40m transfer if it was EPL to EPL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 08:49:22 AM
The signings are very good for the Chanpionship/lower ends of the PL

A.Young - 36 year old
Buendia - unproven Championship Player
Ings-very good but injury prone
Bailey-Very exciting prospect but unknown to how he will perform in this league
Tuanzebe-Loan signing

If this is all we have in return of Jack Grealish it's very , very worrying. If they were an addition to keeping him then great.

I was expecting at least another 2 high profile signings


Young - experienced player with plenty of medals, presumably will be a positive influence on our talented youngsters.
Buendia - He stats (if you like those) were v good in a relegated Norwich team, and clearly had an excellent season last year.
Ings - Missed 9 games in 2 years, Hardly injury prone. A massive upgrade on Davies / Wesley
Bailey - We don't know, but I think he will be excellent.
Tuanzebe - An upgrade on Engels, who hardly played anyway.

Cheer up.

Agreed. To say the additions are Championship/lower end of the Premier League is nonsense. It doesn’t mean they’ll work right, but they’re good signings and players most of our immediate rivals would want/be envious of.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
I think we need to put in a storming 90 minutes against Newcadtle to banish a lot of these doubts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2021, 08:55:02 AM
If guilbert isnt going to be used then i still think we need a rb to compete with cash. Tuauzebe was not good at rb from what i remember.

Also who is 3rd choice keeper? We know how injury prone steer is.

In my view we need 3 players
A rb
DM
Keeper to compete with steer
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 19, 2021, 08:56:12 AM
if before the summer, someone had said:

Grealish out
Young, Tuanzebe loan, Bailey, Ings, Buendia in.

I think most of us would have been underwhelmed.

Even if adding that centre midfielder enforcer was included into that list above, it will always  be underwhelming because of one factor. I think we all thought it wouldn’t happen this summer at least, maybe next year but certainly not this one.

What a wanker.
Yeah, absolutely agree there.  Whichever summer Jake left, it'd be an underwhelming one.  Players of his quality are few and far between, and even more so players of his quality who play for "my club, my city".  Even Jake doesn't fit in to that category now.

Also think this summer, we have done reasonably well ...
- Engels for Tuanzebe (loan) -> Engels wasn't playing, and it keeps a place open for one of our youngsters next summer
- Young for Taylor -> is anyone saying this isn't a massive upgrade?
- Ings ahead of Wesley, KD -> again, is anyone saying this isn't an improvement?
- Bailey (?) for Greelish -> time will tell.  You're always going to struggle to replace a player like him, but Bailey's a Champions League quality player.  We couldn't have hoped for a better replacement IMO.
- Buendia for Barkley -> Barkley vs Liverpool, maybe a downgrade.  Barkley in literally every other game except maybe Arsenal, though ...
- ?? for Elmo -> Imagine this is Freddy?  Probably a slight downgrade on Elmo at the start of the season, probably not a downgrade on Elmo as he is now.  Tuanzebe can play there, I believe.  It's the one area I don't think we've particularly strengthened in.  However, if Kesler is half as good as he sounds, I don't think we need to particularly worry about that position longer term.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 19, 2021, 09:15:44 AM
The signings are very good for the Championship/lower ends of the PL

A.Young - 36 year old
Buendia - unproven Championship Player
Ings-very good but injury prone
Bailey-Very exciting prospect but unknown to how he will perform in this league
Tuanzebe-Loan signing

If this is all we have in return of Jack Grealish it's very , very worrying. If they were an addition to keeping him then great.

I was expecting at least another 2 high profile signings
Don't you get bored of this? I see the Cherries had a good result last night.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 19, 2021, 09:18:08 AM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

You must be getting a little tired or weary of this?

Why don't you ignore his posts?

While I don't think we will be seriously, I think we will flirt with the bottom 3 a bit, if we don't get a better midfield option. It's not outrageous to think when without Jack last season we were relegation form, and we're 3 nil down at Watford at the weekend, and have a slightly disjointed squad at the moment.

I do. But when people quote them, I see them, so I’ll reply where I see fit.

For what it’s worth, I’m worried too, but mine sees us staying somewhere in mid table all season at the moment. Certainly not being relegated and asking “Where’s the money?”
"Where's the money" is a massive clue to what he's up to and where his allegiances lie. Up the Cherries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 09:37:18 AM
If you're happy for the club/management to talk about European Football with Dean Smith himself saying we are 18 months away from Champions League Football and then replace one of the best players in the league with the 5 we have and nothing else then fine.

If the Club never hyped up our chances and talked about Europe all the time I would accept the signings as cementing our place in the League but nothing else. If you are serious about challenging the Top 6 you need the players and coaching staff to match that ambition.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The Edge on August 19, 2021, 09:43:51 AM
If you're happy for the club/management to talk about European Football with Dean Smith himself saying we are 18 months away from Champions League Football and then replace one of the best players in the league with the 5 we have and nothing else then fine.

If the Club never hyped up our chances and talked about Europe all the time I would accept the signings as cementing our place in the League but nothing else. If you are serious about challenging the Top 6 you need the players and coaching staff to match that ambition.
Still at it? Zzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 19, 2021, 10:04:43 AM
Google Monster Energy Drink Horror Stories and it might change your mind. These types of Drinks should not be linked to our Football Club. I have already sent the Club an Email

Can I just make a general point, and sat that "just Googling" something does not always bring you facts, it's just as likely to bring you mumsnet-type hearsay and bullshit.

What you meant to say is of course search Google for peer-reviewed literature pertaining to the negative health effects of said energy drink, or at least summaries of the literature that are published in reputable sources.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 19, 2021, 10:08:29 AM
If you're happy for the club/management to talk about European Football with Dean Smith himself saying we are 18 months away from Champions League Football and then replace one of the best players in the league with the 5 we have and nothing else then fine.

If the Club never hyped up our chances and talked about Europe all the time I would accept the signings as cementing our place in the League but nothing else. If you are serious about challenging the Top 6 you need the players and coaching staff to match that ambition.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29669693
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2021, 10:10:27 AM
Feed the troll and he will bore!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 19, 2021, 10:11:43 AM
Regarding a central DM, is there anyone in the academy that plays in this role, or is the academy still more or less geared to producing Barry Bannan types (small, lightweight but technically sound).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 19, 2021, 10:24:24 AM
We should probably have stuck with Acorns.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 10:39:54 AM
I don't eat Nestle chocolate. Live close to Bournville so will only buy Cadbury,usually directly from their Discount Shop.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
you need to give Wilma a good seeing to Fred. Or I could recommend a top drawer therapist.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 19, 2021, 10:49:12 AM
I don't eat Nestle chocolate. Live close to Bournville so will only buy Cadbury,usually directly from their Discount Shop.

Aah yes, Cadbury.  Owned by Mondelez International who have been implicated in deforestation, price-fixing and child slavery.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 10:52:43 AM
She's having an Affair with Barney, apparently he's promised her a Trip to Europe in 18 months
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
Monster drinks do a Swiss chocolate flavour, mate. Not sure if that would be any interest to you?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 10:59:27 AM
Monster drinks do a Swiss chocolate flavour, mate. Not sure if that would be any interest to you?

That sounds revolting!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
It does, to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 19, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
I don't eat Nestle chocolate. Live close to Bournville so will only buy Cadbury,usually directly from their Discount Shop.

Aah yes, Cadbury.  Owned by Mondelez International who have been implicated in deforestation, price-fixing and child slavery.


And these days making shit chocolate, complete with added nonsense confectionery for delighting four year olds.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 19, 2021, 11:12:24 AM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2021, 11:13:48 AM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 11:22:02 AM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

A massive (Fruit &) Nut.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

Could do with a boost couldn’t he?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 11:30:11 AM
Not a fan of chocolate really. Don't mind dark and white chocolate. Like to see the club go into a sponsorship deal with whoever made Spangles, Pacers or that coconut stuff that looked like rolling tobacco to relaunch them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 11:38:53 AM
Not a fan of chocolate really. Don't mind dark and white chocolate. Like to see the club go into a sponsorship deal with whoever made Spangles, Pacers or that coconut stuff that looked like rolling tobacco to relaunch them.

Don't change the Topic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
heh. It's a major sore point for me. I used to be on two packets of that Spanish Gold per week and then had to switch to Drum rolling tobacco when they discontinued it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2021, 11:53:02 AM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

If only he'd whispa so we didn't have to hear him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
Tony's Chocoloney is pricey but I think they're trying to make it fairer as regards cocoa-growers and equity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 12:05:41 PM
heh. It's a major sore point for me. I used to be on two packets of that Spanish Gold per week and then had to switch to Drum rolling tobacco when they discontinued it.

I was on Golden Virginia until January this year. On a vape now. I don't know how anybody affords to smoke pre-rolled these days.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 12:08:47 PM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

If only he'd whispa so we didn't have to hear him.

Another day of this and I’m putting a bounty on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

If only he'd whispa so we didn't have to hear him.

Another day of this and I’m putting a bounty on him.

If the Bounty goes unclaimed tomorrow, will there be a Rolo-ver?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 19, 2021, 12:14:59 PM
Not a fan of chocolate really.

Surprised at that.  Would have thought you'd be a fan of an Heh-shey Bar.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 12:15:21 PM
heh. It's a major sore point for me. I used to be on two packets of that Spanish Gold per week and then had to switch to Drum rolling tobacco when they discontinued it.

I was on Golden Virginia until January this year. On a vape now. I don't know how anybody affords to smoke pre-rolled these days.

Aye. I'm only still smoking because I don't like being told what to do. I'd quit tomorrow if they shut up preaching.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 12:16:12 PM
Not a fan of chocolate really.

Surprised at that.  Would have thought you'd be a fan of an Heh-shey Bar.

 :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 19, 2021, 12:30:16 PM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

If only he'd whispa so we didn't have to hear him.

Another day of this and I’m putting a bounty on him.

If the Bounty goes unclaimed tomorrow, will there be a Rolo-ver?

Oh yes. There’s an additional bonus prize of a one way trip to Mars.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 12:34:10 PM
This is getting as tiresome as the whole transfer saga from a month ago, can we just IP ban him?

Yep, he is a bit of a flake isn't he?

If only he'd whispa so we didn't have to hear him.

Another day of this and I’m putting a bounty on him.

If the Bounty goes unclaimed tomorrow, will there be a Rolo-ver?

Oh yes. There’s an additional bonus prize of a one way trip to Mars.

Can't beat Aero-space prizes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2021, 12:35:04 PM
Shit puns today. None of them making me Snicker.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 12:36:48 PM
Just hope there are some more Lions to come. Good ones are not a Dime a dozen though, we need to be shooting for the milky-way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
Or any other Galaxy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 12:42:57 PM
Shit puns today. None of them making me Snicker.

I admit mine aren't up there with Stephen Fry's.

...do they still make Fry's?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 19, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Seems dead as a dodo on transfer links. I know its a Marathon not a sprint, but doesn't look like we're get a Boost to the squad before the weekend.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 19, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
Seems dead as a dodo on transfer links. I know its a Marathon not a sprint, but doesn't look like we're get a Boost to the squad before the weekend.

If we do, there will be widespread Celebrations.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2021, 01:01:59 PM
Shit puns today. None of them making me Snicker.

I admit mine aren't up there with Stephen Fry's.

...do they still make Fry's?


If you mean Fry's chocolate cream and Turkish Delight, then yes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 19, 2021, 01:09:39 PM
According to The Sun, Palace have had a £5m bid for Will Hughes rejected.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 01:14:16 PM
If its true that Juve are letting Winstone McKennie go we should be all over it. He could be a Heroes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2021, 01:20:24 PM
If its true that Juve are letting Winstone McKennie go we should be all over it. He could be a Heroes.

Just for one day.

Then he'd get injured.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 01:22:49 PM
Hopefully not for a long long time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 01:35:26 PM
Back to the thread for a second, if Arsenal complete Odegaard and Aouar as they are reputedly close to, then where does that leave ESR?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 19, 2021, 01:43:54 PM
Back to the thread for a second, if Arsenal complete Odegaard and Aouar as they are reputedly close to, then where does that leave ESR?

I have no clue what Arsenal are doing. The fans want Martinelli, ESR, Odegaard, Pepe, Saka, Lacazette and Aubameyang on the pitch at the same time. Then there's the 25million they're about to spend on Ramsdale. It makes absolutely no sense.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 01:45:45 PM
Odegaard is a good value signing.

I do think we really need to make a quality addition in centre-mid. Get it done Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 19, 2021, 01:52:42 PM
Odegaard is a good value signing.

I do think we really need to make a quality addition in centre-mid. Get it done Villa.

I agree, Odegaard is a really good buy for them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 01:54:40 PM
Back to the thread for a second, if Arsenal complete Odegaard and Aouar as they are reputedly close to, then where does that leave ESR?

I have no clue what Arsenal are doing. The fans want Martinelli, ESR, Odegaard, Pepe, Saka, Lacazette and Aubameyang on the pitch at the same time. Then there's the 25million they're about to spend on Ramsdale. It makes absolutely no sense.



If Ramsdale is £25m, Emi is £150m now. I've seen a fair few poor keepers, but that bloke is woefully bad.

You can see why ESRs agent was looking to move him out. A lot of players to play one role. One to keep an eye on for Villa.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2021, 03:08:30 PM
I'm convinced we will still eventually sign a Jack "lite" type of player in Cantwell or ESR. Maybe not this window, but by next summer as long as Dean is still manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 03:17:11 PM
Anything in the Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa rumours. Never heard of him until today but at least he looks the part.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2021, 03:27:54 PM
Anything in the Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa rumours. Never heard of him until today but at least he looks the part.

He didn't play for Fulham the other day so I reckon something is bubbling under the surface. It just might not be to us as to who he joins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 03:28:43 PM
We all said we needed another striker, it was a must. It was a gamble last year to do what we did. I just don’t think we expected a striker with the proven talent of Ings. There was plenty of times last season even with that traitor playing well, we couldn’t break down sides and called for two up front. Quite often against the more dogged teams, Burnley and West Ham at home who we absolutely battered but couldn’t score.

It’s a tough one, but trying to fit the few players we have purchased into a system is still something I’d rather have than still have to be reliant on Davis, AEG, Bert and Trez (If and when fit).

I’m more than happy with the players we have brought in, all going to be a success I’m convinced and I’m not convinced we haven’t finished yet, there maybe a late surprise still.

Agree.

We're now arguing how we can possibly fit a load of good players in rather than working out how we could fill the void.

It's a good problem to have.

Whilst I agree about an enforcer type, I'm also somewhat reassured by our early form last season. Whilst ratboy was obviously a huge part of that, we now have Bailey, Ings and Buendia to replace Grealish, Barkley and AEG/Trezeguet.

It may appear unbalanced but I think it could work.

If we accept the back 5 are pretty much set in stone, having

McGinn, Luiz and Buendia behind

Bailey, Ings and Watkins

Is not a bad lineup. They can all play football and there's threat all over with that lot and workers throughout. With Sanson, AEG, Ramsay, Chukwuemeka on the bench and as cover I'm not sure we've a problem to be honest.

If we had JWP, then he'd potentially replace one of the three in midfield, if we had Cantwell he'd be a great sub to bring on or as an alternative where I have Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 19, 2021, 03:30:11 PM
I'm convinced we will still eventually sign a Jack "lite" type of player in Cantwell or ESR. Maybe not this window, but by next summer as long as Dean is still manager.

ESR is Jack lite.  Cantwell is lite, lite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 03:30:51 PM
Back to the thread for a second, if Arsenal complete Odegaard and Aouar as they are reputedly close to, then where does that leave ESR?

I have no clue what Arsenal are doing. The fans want Martinelli, ESR, Odegaard, Pepe, Saka, Lacazette and Aubameyang on the pitch at the same time. Then there's the 25million they're about to spend on Ramsdale. It makes absolutely no sense.



If Ramsdale is £25m, Emi is £150m now. I've seen a fair few poor keepers, but that bloke is woefully bad.

You can see why ESRs agent was looking to move him out. A lot of players to play one role. One to keep an eye on for Villa.

The Blades fans are happy with the business. They are just desperate for a replacement as the guy who played last night was atrocious.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2021, 03:34:11 PM
That’s a fair post Drummond, but the problem for me are the two in front of the defence. It didn’t work very well last year, and I don’t think it will work very well this year. Luiz is a great all round footballer, great on the ball, quick feet but isn’t a DCM. McGinn is excellent joining in with attacks, but isn’t a DCM either. I think either of them playing next to a proper DCM would see their performance levels increased by 20%.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 03:40:39 PM
Something that seems to be lost on people is that you do not win many games without winning the battle in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 03:41:56 PM
If Luiz can recapture that form just after the Covid break, he really was good in that role at breaking up the opposing play. He didn't quite reach that level last season. Apparently very good in the summer though for Brazil.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2021, 03:51:39 PM
That’s a fair post Drummond, but the problem for me are the two in front of the defence. It didn’t work very well last year, and I don’t think it will work very well this year. Luiz is a great all round footballer, great on the ball, quick feet but isn’t a DCM. McGinn is excellent joining in with attacks, but isn’t a DCM either. I think either of them playing next to a proper DCM would see their performance levels increased by 20%.

Maybe SoccerHQ can comment (or already has done) as I think he has a good idea of Smith's formation/tactical set-up at Brentford but maybe a midfield "enforcer" just isn't what he goes for.

Nakamba aside, perhaps Dean see his CMs as all being generalists rather than specialists. I just don't see why he would have bought Sanson otherwise as Ramsey was breaking through at that time, Hourihane is/was still on our books and Luiz/McGinn/Barkley were all there too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Something that seems to be lost on people is that you do not win many games without winning the battle in midfield.

Well you don't win many games with a shit defence or attack either....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 19, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
At Brentford, when they used to beat us every game, they always played with Ryan Woods as the deepest midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 04:16:20 PM
That’s a fair post Drummond, but the problem for me are the two in front of the defence. It didn’t work very well last year, and I don’t think it will work very well this year. Luiz is a great all round footballer, great on the ball, quick feet but isn’t a DCM. McGinn is excellent joining in with attacks, but isn’t a DCM either. I think either of them playing next to a proper DCM would see their performance levels increased by 20%.

I get what you mean. But I think that's my point, we've shown it works without and perhaps that's the system we're aiming for.

However, I've always liked having a decent enforcer in there, they can really dictate the tempo of the game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 04:24:19 PM
Something that seems to be lost on people is that you do not win many games without winning the battle in midfield.

Well you don't win many games with a shit defence or attack either....
or manager
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2021, 05:54:03 PM
At Brentford, when they used to beat us every game, they always played with Ryan Woods as the deepest midfielder.

And so you can see the logic in playing Luiz there which was working fine 12 months ago before his dip in form post January.

Still feels like DM-Luiz-McGinn is potentially a really good midfield and then you can have a few forward combinations infront of that and shouldn't be too far off a top half finish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
That’s a fair post Drummond, but the problem for me are the two in front of the defence. It didn’t work very well last year, and I don’t think it will work very well this year. Luiz is a great all round footballer, great on the ball, quick feet but isn’t a DCM. McGinn is excellent joining in with attacks, but isn’t a DCM either. I think either of them playing next to a proper DCM would see their performance levels increased by 20%.

I get what you mean. But I think that's my point, we've shown it works without and perhaps that's the system we're aiming for.

However, I've always liked having a decent enforcer in there, they can really dictate the tempo of the game.

I'm fine with 3 of McGinn, Luiz and sanson/ramsey sometimes but in other games we need a different option that a proper DM brings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on August 19, 2021, 06:26:08 PM
Back to the thread for a second, if Arsenal complete Odegaard and Aouar as they are reputedly close to, then where does that leave ESR?

I have no clue what Arsenal are doing. The fans want Martinelli, ESR, Odegaard, Pepe, Saka, Lacazette and Aubameyang on the pitch at the same time. Then there's the 25million they're about to spend on Ramsdale. It makes absolutely no sense.



If Ramsdale is £25m, Emi is £150m now. I've seen a fair few poor keepers, but that bloke is woefully bad.

You can see why ESRs agent was looking to move him out. A lot of players to play one role. One to keep an eye on for Villa.

Nah.

You can't play us like a grand piano and say you're interested in a move and then sign on as a reserve for a meek top 10 outfit like the Gooners.

The bit I've seen of him is he's in the talented but ? category. Rather than nailed on as a top 6/7 starter anyroad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2021, 06:34:28 PM
JWP just signed a new 5 year deal with Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on August 19, 2021, 06:37:47 PM
Mmm another player’s agent using us
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2021, 06:38:56 PM
Good luck to him. Thats loyalty for you.

He is never worth the money they were asking. There is better out there
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2021, 06:38:58 PM
We do still need an addition(s).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2021, 06:42:01 PM
Fair play to JWP, but a shame none the less.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 06:44:04 PM
Hopefully we can now stop pussyfooting around Grealish's (and JWP's) agent and tell him what we really think of him and his client. Saints demanding £50m for JWP killed any possible deal other than a new improved contract.

Let's have a proper DM and a 10. No more musical chairs, best players in the best position. Simple.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 06:44:15 PM
Thought we'd go out and make a statement and bring him to the Club.

Starting to really worry now that we are dome this window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 19, 2021, 06:44:19 PM
Hope we now activate plan b…
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 19, 2021, 06:48:05 PM
I'm glad for him and for Southampton, it's good to see a player willing to stand by his club!  Also at £50m we could go and get 2 players from elsewhere that may be more suited to what we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2021, 06:49:02 PM
I'm glad for him and for Southampton, it's good to see a player willing to stand by his club!  Also at £50m we could go and get 2 players from elsewhere that may be more suited to what we need.

It's no different to what Jack did last year with us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 19, 2021, 06:56:43 PM
I'm glad for him and for Southampton, it's good to see a player willing to stand by his club!  Also at £50m we could go and get 2 players from elsewhere that may be more suited to what we need.

It's no different to what Jack did last year with us.

He has done it twice though, which is exactly what we was saying Jack should do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KevinGage on August 19, 2021, 06:59:23 PM
Hopefully we can now stop pussyfooting around Grealish's (and JWP's) agent and tell him what we really think of him and his client.

Aye.

Send them down for the dirt nap.

Though in fairness to Barnett (and I'd never thought I'd type those words) I've heard from more than one person that it was Grealish and his clan pushing for this type of move for at least the last three years.

All the bilge about crying in his last meeting with the Villa squad should be balanced against the twat with the hairband badgering Micah Richards (of all facking facked cants) to engineer a move since 2018.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 19, 2021, 07:07:21 PM
Wonder what Ward-Prowse's release clause is - guess Southampton fans will find out this time next year. 

Honestly, this is all a bit shite isn't it.  Just kind of underwhelming when it felt like we were on some sort of 'cusp'. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 19, 2021, 07:12:00 PM
Have we been mugged off by ESR and JWP. Both landing bumper new contracts after their agents enticing us to show interest in them ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 19, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Have we been mugged off by ESR and JWP. Both landing bumper new contracts after their agents enticing us to show interest in them ?

I say that we put a blanket ban on any rumour where the player has a 3 letter acronym (is it an acronym? who feckin cares) to shorten a double barrelled surname.  NMFA's. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2021, 07:17:05 PM
I’ll be honest am delighted JWP is staying at Southampton, I just see a fitter version of Hourihane, we have far too many physically wishy washy midfielders & sure his set pieces are superb but 50m there has to be better value out there.

Need a proper strong defensive midfielder, surely there are plenty of these in France, Germany, Italy or Spain???
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2021, 07:27:42 PM
Have we been mugged off by ESR and JWP. Both landing bumper new contracts after their agents enticing us to show interest in them ?

I say that we put a blanket ban on any rumour where the player has a 3 letter acronym (is it an acronym? who feckin cares) to shorten a double barrelled surname.  NMFA's. 


They're initialisms as opposed to acronyms. Anyway it now means we're no longer being linked with KDB. >:(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: luke:lamf on August 19, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Need a proper strong defensive midfielder, surely there are plenty of these in France, Germany, Italy or Spain???
You'd think so. Leicester have found 3 in five years, there's got to be some Kante-like, or Kante-lite, midfield dynamo somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 19, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
Good luck to him. Thats loyalty for you.

He is never worth the money they were asking. There is better out there
Agree fully, the scouting network should be finding better value for money.
We seriously need a "Snake" or Ian Taylor type midfielder to put his foot on the ball, break up play and move forward to pass to a villa player
Good luck to him for sticking with his team
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 19, 2021, 07:49:48 PM
You do wonder what the scouts do, when we are told there's a network of scouts all over Europe. Sounds like one big Holiday

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 19, 2021, 07:53:51 PM
I still dream of Dennis Mortimer breaking up the play against Liverpool and surging forward  under floodlights towards the Holte end.
Maybe it was only a dream, as I can not remember if we scored.
But that is the type of player I want/we need
 
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Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
I'll be interested to see whether JWP will be at Southampton this time next year.
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Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 19, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
I still dream of Dennis Mortimer breaking up the play against Liverpool and surging forward  under floodlights towards the Holte end.
Maybe it was only a dream, as I can not remember if we scored.
But that is the type of player I want/we need

On through to Mortimers who's onside .
Could it be number two? Yes!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 19, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
I still dream of Dennis Mortimer breaking up the play against Liverpool and surging forward  under floodlights towards the Holte end.
Maybe it was only a dream, as I can not remember if we scored.
But that is the type of player I want/we need
I am going to have a drink to celebrate my memory
Thanks for the Christmas present Ron

On through to Mortimers who's onside .
Could it be number two? Yes!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
I hope there's a plan B because going with what we currently have strikes me as a huge missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
I'll be interested to see whether JWP will be at Southampton this time next year.

With Barnett as his agent, I'd think the release clause is already being WhatsApped around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 08:17:52 PM
I hope there's a plan B because going with what we currently have strikes me as a huge missed opportunity.

So many times we can pinpoint where we have not taken the chance to kick on. I really hope this summer isn't added to the list. Mine stretches back to the mid 90s, I'm sure others go further.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 19, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
This close season is a real cross roads. I fear we haven’t taken the right route.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 08:24:47 PM
I hope there's a plan B because going with what we currently have strikes me as a huge missed opportunity.

So many times we can pinpoint where we have not taken the chance to kick on. I really hope this summer isn't added to the list. Mine stretches back to the mid 90s, I'm sure others go further.
i think that chance to really kick on went with Grealish.
I just don’t see how they can compensate and improve on what we had.
I had this view before he dumped us and despite some decent signings I think we are now just another mid table team slugging it out. I don’t blame the board because I do believe that they are ambitious but the gap is just too big.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2021, 08:26:47 PM
Just us and poxy Norwich that have sold our best player then?
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 19, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
If barnett is jwp's agent he's best avoided.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 08:32:19 PM
Just us and poxy Norwich that have sold our best player then?
it looks like it so far. I think Kane will go though.
There is a scramble now to find a replacement for Kane + other signings before Levi will do the deal.
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Post by: Damo70 on August 19, 2021, 08:38:54 PM
I hope we can pull another one or two signings out of the bag because the loss of Grealish and the way our first game went has meant our start to the season has been demoralising already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villadelph on August 19, 2021, 08:42:56 PM
I hope we can pull another one or two signings out of the bag because the loss of Grealish and the way our first game went has meant our start to the season has been demoralising already.

No Ollie, Young on the left, AEG on the right, and Nakamba in the DM role.. not exactly our best XI.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
Any team is only as strong as its weakest member, we still have a couple of those in the first 11. I hope we have another couple of players coming in because the likes of El Ghazi and the Nakamba definitely need to be replaced. Even as squad players, eventually.  In terms of the centre of midfield, we rely on an inconsistent SJM and Luiz to provide the beef and the energy.  FFS, sort it out Dean.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2021, 09:05:07 PM
Just us and poxy Norwich that have sold our best player then?
& Southampton :-)
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 09:06:25 PM
Just us and poxy Norwich that have sold our best player then?
& Southampton :-)
JWP
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2021, 09:13:42 PM
At Brentford, when they used to beat us every game, they always played with Ryan Woods as the deepest midfielder.

And so you can see the logic in playing Luiz there which was working fine 12 months ago before his dip in form post January.

Still feels like DM-Luiz-McGinn is potentially a really good midfield and then you can have a few forward combinations infront of that and shouldn't be too far off a top half finish.

Agree that would be a midfield three worth looking at this season.  Do get the feeling though that the management team see Luiz as a ‘6’, McGinn as an ‘8’ and there will be someone else in the attacking midfield position. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 19, 2021, 09:16:53 PM
We supposedly offered a total of £50m for JWP & ESR. If that's true, then we were never seriously interested in either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 09:17:00 PM
I would really like to see Lange and McKensie earn their stripes and bring in 2 players for good value that improve the squad in our weakest areas. Go get a holding mid and a 10 that are better value than Ward Prowse etc. So far our targets, apart from Bailey are all prem experience first.  Let's see the next Ndidi or Kante or Mahrez etc. That's what we pay good money for a shooting system and sporting director for.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2021, 09:17:18 PM
Weston mckennie is available.  He seems some player. Half the price of JWP and for me a bettee overal all round player
 We tried to get him last summer apparently so be interested to see if we re try sign him. Fits the profile of the type of player.

Another o wouldnt mind is renato sanches. He looked great in the euros
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Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 09:20:48 PM
Sanches is injured for 8 weeks apparently, and McKennie apparently made it clear he was staying at Juve today.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
I'll be interested to see whether JWP will be at Southampton this time next year.

With Barnett as his agent, I'd think the release clause is already being WhatsApped around.

He was already on a longish contract before signing this new one, so the question is whether it's just the financials that have changed. And signing it one game into the new season rather than awhile ago suggests there has been stronger interest than just one low bid from Villa (if the speculation was to be believed) and that includes from other clubs. 

I do agree with those who have posted stating that Villa have been used for JWP and ESR to get better deals. The only positive to take is that both Arsenal and Southampton obviously thought the threat was realistic enough for the players to jump for rather than laughing it off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 09:27:19 PM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 09:32:59 PM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 09:39:49 PM
I'll be interested to see whether JWP will be at Southampton this time next year.

With Barnett as his agent, I'd think the release clause is already being WhatsApped around.

Ozzjim, I just got a Whatsapp message from a unknown user called J.Barnett; apparently he's looking to sell a second hand car and also knows of a football player with a double barrelled surname who's good at free kicks and covering ground that could be available at a good price - minus a large handling fee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 19, 2021, 09:42:22 PM
I hope there's a plan B because going with what we currently have strikes me as a huge missed opportunity.
So what is your solution ?
put your hands in the air and give up or trust in Aston Villa collective to move on ?

So many times we can pinpoint where we have not taken the chance to kick on. I really hope this summer isn't added to the list. Mine stretches back to the mid 90s, I'm sure others go further.
i think that chance to really kick on went with Grealish.
I just don’t see how they can compensate and improve on what we had.
I had this view before he dumped us and despite some decent signings I think we are now just another mid table team slugging it out. I don’t blame the board because I do believe that they are ambitious but the gap is just too big.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 19, 2021, 09:45:04 PM
My attempts to reply to posts is not great.
To clarify, my response to CL is,
So what is your solution ?
put your hands in the air and give up or trust in Aston Villa collective to move on ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2021, 09:48:24 PM
I hope there's a plan B because going with what we currently have strikes me as a huge missed opportunity.
So what is your solution ?
put your hands in the air and give up or trust in Aston Villa collective to move on ?

So many times we can pinpoint where we have not taken the chance to kick on. I really hope this summer isn't added to the list. Mine stretches back to the mid 90s, I'm sure others go further.
i think that chance to really kick on went with Grealish.
I just don’t see how they can compensate and improve on what we had.
I had this view before he dumped us and despite some decent signings I think we are now just another mid table team slugging it out. I don’t blame the board because I do believe that they are ambitious but the gap is just too big.
I guess the quote fail is aimed at me.
I don’t have a solution, that is the point and I don’t think the board has either.
We can try and build gradually, hope that some of our academy players come through whilst trying to hold on to our better players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 09:49:15 PM
Weston mckennie is available.  He seems some player. Half the price of JWP and for me a bettee overal all round player
 We tried to get him last summer apparently so be interested to see if we re try sign him. Fits the profile of the type of player.

Another o wouldnt mind is renato sanches. He looked great in the euros

I would be keen to see Villa buy Sanches and then mould him. There is a real player in there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 19, 2021, 09:55:10 PM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?

Ings for me. I’ve always rated him highly since he got over his long term injuries and we only had one centre forward of note at the start of the window whereas I think McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey all range from slightly to very similar to JWP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2021, 09:55:14 PM
Weston mckennie is available.  He seems some player. Half the price of JWP and for me a bettee overal all round player
 We tried to get him last summer apparently so be interested to see if we re try sign him. Fits the profile of the type of player.

Another o wouldnt mind is renato sanches. He looked great in the euros

I would be keen to see Villa buy Sanches and then mould him. There is a real player in there.

Just had a knee operation, out for six weeks. Liverpool and Barca were supposed to be but no longer interested in signing him. Worth a punt?
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 19, 2021, 09:57:59 PM
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Le Parisien reporting that PSG would gladly lose Rafinha's wages,  along with a few other players, including Draxler!

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Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 10:11:02 PM
Weston mckennie is available.  He seems some player. Half the price of JWP and for me a bettee overal all round player
 We tried to get him last summer apparently so be interested to see if we re try sign him. Fits the profile of the type of player.

Another o wouldnt mind is renato sanches. He looked great in the euros

I would be keen to see Villa buy Sanches and then mould him. There is a real player in there.

Just had a knee operation, out for six weeks. Liverpool and Barca were supposed to be but no longer interested in signing him. Worth a punt?

For me, yes. I think we signed Downing when he was out for 6 months. 6 weeks and some friendly games would be doable as long as it's not a serious injury.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 19, 2021, 10:39:26 PM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?

Ings for me. I’ve always rated him highly since he got over his long term injuries and we only had one centre forward of note at the start of the window whereas I think McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey all range from slightly to very similar to JWP.

Ings without question. He guarantees goals. He has played 141 Premier League games and scored 56. A rate of 0.4 per game. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 19, 2021, 10:54:46 PM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?

Ings for me. I’ve always rated him highly since he got over his long term injuries and we only had one centre forward of note at the start of the window whereas I think McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey all range from slightly to very similar to JWP.

Ings without question. He guarantees goals. He has played 141 Premier League games and scored 56. A rate of 0.4 per game.

Considering our problem with strikers over the last few years (including viable other options) I'm in the Ings camp myself, particularly as in my opinion, JWP wouldn't have solved our midfield problems.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
It's a bit odd that the Doucoure chap had liked a load of posts from people wanting him to join villa too on social media. Maybe he's just a friendly chap.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 19, 2021, 11:56:11 PM
I would be keen to see Villa buy Sanches and then mould him. There is a real player in there.
I hear he is a bit shitty
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 20, 2021, 06:31:11 AM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?

Ings for me. I’ve always rated him highly since he got over his long term injuries and we only had one centre forward of note at the start of the window whereas I think McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey all range from slightly to very similar to JWP.

Ings without question. He guarantees goals. He has played 141 Premier League games and scored 56. A rate of 0.4 per game.

Considering our problem with strikers over the last few years (including viable other options) I'm in the Ings camp myself, particularly as in my opinion, JWP wouldn't have solved our midfield problems.
One possibility is that Joe wanted us to sign JWP, like he did Barkley, and so we were in for him. Once he'd gone, we already knew that they were more open to selling Ings so we went and got him instead.

Dunno if that's the case or not, but it's consistent with what Joe was saying prior to the transfer and explains why there was no sniff of us signing Ings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2021, 06:46:00 AM
By us buying Ings they are in a better position to improve his contract.
I think he was the target but we have got Ings.

As an interesting question, would people have preferred JWP or Ings if we could only have bought one?

Ings for me. I’ve always rated him highly since he got over his long term injuries and we only had one centre forward of note at the start of the window whereas I think McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey all range from slightly to very similar to JWP.

Ings without question. He guarantees goals. He has played 141 Premier League games and scored 56. A rate of 0.4 per game.

Considering our problem with strikers over the last few years (including viable other options) I'm in the Ings camp myself, particularly as in my opinion, JWP wouldn't have solved our midfield problems.
One possibility is that Joe wanted us to sign JWP, like he did Barkley, and so we were in for him. Once he'd gone, we already knew that they were more open to selling Ings so we went and got him instead.

Dunno if that's the case or not, but it's consistent with what Joe was saying prior to the transfer and explains why there was no sniff of us signing Ings.

One thing is for sure; the £25m the media quoted that we bid for JWP was never going to be accepted. If the reports were correct (big ‘if’), it struck me as very odd that the club thought (even as an opening bid) that it would be close to what Southampton would accept.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 20, 2021, 06:51:04 AM
Midfielders were clearly high on our list, with JWP and ESR, so why have we stopped now??
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 20, 2021, 06:55:14 AM
People slammed Grealish for lack of loyalty and now people on here are slamming Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe for showing their loyalty to their clubs.

Ok.
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Post by: wolfman999 on August 20, 2021, 07:35:27 AM
People slammed Grealish for lack of loyalty and now people on here are slamming Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe for showing their loyalty to their clubs.

Ok.

No problem with the loyalty shown by these two although I always thought we were being used by ESRs agent to get a better deal out of Arsenal. Then that's what he's paid for I guess.

Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2021, 07:37:27 AM
People slammed Grealish for lack of loyalty and now people on here are slamming Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe for showing their loyalty to their clubs.

Ok.
I don’t think I’ve read a single comment on here where someone has ‘slammed’ either player for showing loyalty to their clubs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 20, 2021, 07:38:37 AM
Midfielders were clearly high on our list, with JWP and ESR, so why have we stopped now??

In fairness, we may not have.

A bit of time left.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 07:40:48 AM
I think it's great from JWP, but I think there's will be a release clause in there. ESR was only ever using the interest for a better deal.

In an ideal world we still need a proper left sided creative forward as well as a big strong holding mid. I'm not convinced Ward Prowse was the answer. If you could get Doucoure and and Cantwell for the same money, we'd have a much better balance in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: four fornicholl on August 20, 2021, 07:51:22 AM
I still dream of Dennis Mortimer breaking up the play against Liverpool and surging forward  under floodlights towards the Holte end.
Maybe it was only a dream, as I can not remember if we scored.
But that is the type of player I want/we need
I am going to have a drink to celebrate my memory
Thanks for the Christmas present Ron

On through to Mortimers who's onside .
Could it be number two? Yes!
Morley beats Money too easily, Gary Shaw, Withe.
And Villa take the lead!
Happy new year Steamer, that’s my all time favourite commentary moment!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 07:57:25 AM
Midfielders were clearly high on our list, with JWP and ESR, so why have we stopped now??

In fairness, we may not have.

A bit of time left.

I think we’ve bought players who will give us what ESR offers.

We’re in a position now where we have some depth to the squad which provides us with more options than we had last season. I’m sure that if the right player is available we will still look to strengthen but we should not get into buying players who aren’t an upgrade on what we have just because can afford them and then have them block the progress of our youngsters.

I don’t share the despondency of some on this site and I’m looking forward to watching us and seeing this new group develop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2021, 08:13:07 AM
Agree with this, If a defensive midfielder becomes availeable and would be an upgrade then fine, but i would much rather try other squad players in that position than buy someone that doesn't improve us.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 20, 2021, 08:20:05 AM
We should be moving heaven and earth to sign top players while bigger clubs are skint. 
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Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 08:20:51 AM
I think we’ve bought players who will give us what ESR offers.
We’re in a position now where we have some depth to the squad which provides us with more options than we had last season. I’m sure that if the right player is available we will still look to strengthen but we should not get into buying players who aren’t an upgrade on what we have just because can afford them and then have them block the progress of our youngsters.
I don’t share the despondency of some on this site and I’m looking forward to watching us and seeing this new group develop.
I agree, Chris. The challenge is how we blend the players we have - the set-up of the team and the way Smith wants it to play are the big issues; about which we'll know more after tomorrow, perhaps.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 20, 2021, 08:21:58 AM
Midfielders were clearly high on our list, with JWP and ESR, so why have we stopped now??

In fairness, we may not have.

A bit of time left.

I think we’ve bought players who will give us what ESR offers.

We’re in a position now where we have some depth to the squad which provides us with more options than we had last season. I’m sure that if the right player is available we will still look to strengthen but we should not get into buying players who aren’t an upgrade on what we have just because can afford them and then have them block the progress of our youngsters.

I don’t share the despondency of some on this site and I’m looking forward to watching us and seeing this new group develop.

100% agree with this.
Think we would all like to see a defensive midfielder recruited but it absolutely has to be one who is better than the players we have currently who play that role. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 20, 2021, 08:27:41 AM
Deadline day drama for Villa!

I suspect that we have made enquiries about players, but we are being held to ransom. Perhaps we may get some call backs when they realise we aren’t budging on price.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 08:31:31 AM
Dissapointing about JWP, even though I wasn't sure he was exactly what we needed and certainly £50m was too much.

We've had our fun with Arsenal, but they've retained ESR, spent their money and secured who the ones they wanted (White & Odegaard).

I like the players we've bought but if our business is done I don't think this can be considered a great window.  I'm not sure on the thinking re a DM, but Smith and the recruitment team seem to be the only peole thinking we don't need one.  I guess it's Luiz, who I do rate but he needs to be more consistent and cut out the silly errors.

We've replaced a left winger with two right wingers and a (very good) striker.  All good players, delighted to have them but if we don't fill the glaring gaps then I think we're going to stuggle.  If we have to change system to shoe horn them all in then again I think we may struggle.  I really wanted another stiker, but for squad depth, not to play 2 up front when we don't seem to have the midfield to carry it off.  We still don't have a natural '10'

I hope we've still got a rabbit in the hat to pull out before deadline day. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 08:44:53 AM
I just hope we're looking abroad as i don't think there is much money there. Maybe 30m tops. ESR bid for me was spot on for what he was (kid with a few games). JWP was hopelessly under the money so no idea what was going on there although we bid pre-ratboy departure which added 10m on his price. I'm sure Smith was well aware of the targets this summer and what he viewed as a priority so seeing we haven't actually bid for DM as far as I can tell, he's either happy with Nakamba or doesn't think its an urgent priority or  thinks a normal CM can do that job. My money is on the last one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
I just hope we're looking abroad as i don't think there is much money there. Maybe 30m tops. ESR bid for me was spot on for what he was (kid with a few games). JWP was hopelessly under the money so no idea what was going on there although we bid pre-ratboy departure which added 10m on his price. I'm sure Smith was well aware of the targets this summer and what he viewed as a priority so seeing we haven't actually bid for DM as far as I can tell, he's either happy with Nakamba or doesn't think its an urgent priority or  thinks a normal CM can do that job. My money is on the last one.

You could be right. I just hope that it doesn't lead to Dean Smith getting the sack this side of Christmas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2021, 08:48:40 AM
Agree with this, If a defensive midfielder becomes availeable and would be an upgrade then fine, but i would much rather try other squad players in that position than buy someone that doesn't improve us.

This is a horrendous idea. How many matches do we lose in the meantime playing random central midfielders every week?

Just identify a brilliant central midfielder. Go and sign him. We are fucking rich, we have about twenty scouts, how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: djbone on August 20, 2021, 09:00:10 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 09:02:47 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2021, 09:06:14 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?


(https://i.ibb.co/89fR46T/joe.webp) (https://ibb.co/89fR46T)

Greasy Ratboy traitorous bastard.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 09:06:35 AM
We've replaced a left winger with two right wingers and a (very good) striker. 
Well, we've replaced a left-sided ball-player who could play anywhere with 2 excellent players who can play off both feet, so I think your assertion above is misleading.
Not that I disagree with your main points, which are that we still do need more MF backbone and that we should not be shoehorning players into slots which do not do them or the team justice.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
I just hope we're looking abroad as i don't think there is much money there. Maybe 30m tops. ESR bid for me was spot on for what he was (kid with a few games). JWP was hopelessly under the money so no idea what was going on there although we bid pre-ratboy departure which added 10m on his price. I'm sure Smith was well aware of the targets this summer and what he viewed as a priority so seeing we haven't actually bid for DM as far as I can tell, he's either happy with Nakamba or doesn't think its an urgent priority or  thinks a normal CM can do that job. My money is on the last one.

You could be right. I just hope that it doesn't lead to Dean Smith getting the sack this side of Christmas.

Well that's my fear really. If we've bought the ratboy replacement (whoever that is) then is he going to carry on playing as we did before, because we can't play that way without ratboy. You need a DM or a stronger CM than we got away with when Grealish was there or preferably change it. The formation suited Grealish and was built around his strengths as a one-off. I was hopeful when Ings arrived he was going to bin it but i'm not sure he is
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 09:07:10 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.
well its kinder than some names. I think Jo is a bit wank though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 09:11:50 AM
Time will tell I guess. I think the last 3/4 weeks have been pretty shambolic compared to the way the club had operated since NSWE took over, and if we don't add any further signings the next 3-4 months are going to be pretty rocky.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 20, 2021, 09:35:31 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.
well its kinder than some names. I think Jo is a bit wank though.


the piss artist formerly known as Jack
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2021, 09:38:12 AM
Anyone still think Damsgaard might be in the frame?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 09:45:48 AM
Anyone still think Damsgaard might be in the frame?

Love it if he was. Great at set plays, great at pressing and good skill on the ball from the left. He's ideal for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 09:48:04 AM
Seems to have gone deathly quiet the last week. Either we're doing stuff behind the scenes or it is indeed spending over. I'm still 60-40% someone will arrive before deadline day but more out of hope than anything.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2021, 09:50:22 AM
Any indication of signings I think could be shown by any outgoings of loans or sells say Wes or Hourihane or Guilbert
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
Think any loans like Wes will go out on deadline day. To me, I think we may see a loan to buy coming in around the same time
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Joe S on August 20, 2021, 10:10:17 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.

I agree, seems quite childish to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2021, 10:23:44 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.

I agree, seems quite childish to me.

Agreed, think CL already covered that with his 'kinder' comment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 20, 2021, 10:23:58 AM


Also, why is JG being called Joe? Am I missing something obvious here ?

I seem to have missed this memo too?
It's because grown adults can't bring themselves to call our former best player Jack Grealish.

I agree, seems quite childish to me.
Hello Joe - are you actually Jack?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 20, 2021, 10:25:46 AM
If there was a buyer for Conor I think we'd have seen them by now, a loan is the most likely allowing a freebie next summer.  Can't see anybody buying Wes after that injury, so loan the most likely there, too.  I'd keep Guillebert as I'd rather Konsa played at CB and I'm not certain about the Ax at RB (?).  There's still a whiff of BS being spoken about Hause to Wet Spam, hut this would entail another CB coming in, so not really. 
If money is going to be spent it will be in CM and fingers crossed that will happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
Well at the end of of the transfer window clubs have a better idea where they are I think so there's more room for movement with loans etc... You've played games, unexpected injuries to 1st team players etc... Looking at wages we've lost Heaton, Taylor, Ratboy, Elmo, Engels, Barkley so that's the best part of 250k per week. I'd say we were pretty like for like for wages with the incomings, so if you can get Guillbert, Hourihane, Wes etc sold or loaned.. then there's room for another (if the wage bill is an issue)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2021, 10:53:35 AM
Wage Bill estimate (per week):

OFF

Jack £125k
Barkley £75k
Heaton £50k
Taylor £40k
Elmo £40k
Samatta £40k
Engels £30k

TOTAL: £400k

ON

Ings £100k
Bailey £80k
Buendia £70k
Young £60k
Tuanzebe £50k

TOTAL: £360K

SAVINGS: £40K with scope for further savings from sales/season loans (Hourihane/Wesley/Davis/Guilbert) though maybe it's inaccurate to include both Barkley and Samatta on the 'Outs' as we would have only been paying some of Samatta's salary last season.

Also, contract renewals/improvements worth bearing in mind (did Targett/Konsa/anyone else sign new deals in the summer?).

We're probably close to last season in total but we'll be shifting out at least a couple of players before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2021, 11:05:38 AM
Agree with this, If a defensive midfielder becomes availeable and would be an upgrade then fine, but i would much rather try other squad players in that position than buy someone that doesn't improve us.

So let me get this right, if and i repeat if we don't bring in another midfielder and our midfield gets overrun we should just keep playing the same players because there is no alternative?

This is a horrendous idea. How many matches do we lose in the meantime playing random central midfielders every week?

Just identify a brilliant central midfielder. Go and sign him. We are fucking rich, we have about twenty scouts, how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 11:09:35 AM
Wage Bill estimate (per week):

OFF

Jack £125k
Barkley £75k
Heaton £50k
Taylor £40k
Elmo £40k
Samatta £40k
Engels £30k

TOTAL: £400k

ON

Ings £100k
Bailey £80k
Buendia £70k
Young £60k
Tuanzebe £50k

TOTAL: £360K

SAVINGS: £40K with scope for further savings from sales/season loans (Hourihane/Wesley/Davis/Guilbert) though maybe it's inaccurate to include both Barkley and Samatta on the 'Outs' as we would have only been paying some of Samatta's salary last season.

Also, contract renewals/improvements worth bearing in mind (did Targett/Konsa/anyone else sign new deals in the summer?).

We're probably close to last season in total but we'll be shifting out at least a couple of players before the window closes.
It's all just complete guesswork though.  You reckon Ings jumped ship in 2 days when the likes of Spurs or even City may have been interested for £100k a week?  I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 11:15:55 AM
Smith has said he's happy with the squad again this morning.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 11:16:43 AM
Wage Bill estimate (per week):

OFF

Jack £125k
Barkley £75k
Heaton £50k
Taylor £40k
Elmo £40k
Samatta £40k
Engels £30k

TOTAL: £400k

ON

Ings £100k
Bailey £80k
Buendia £70k
Young £60k
Tuanzebe £50k

TOTAL: £360K

SAVINGS: £40K with scope for further savings from sales/season loans (Hourihane/Wesley/Davis/Guilbert) though maybe it's inaccurate to include both Barkley and Samatta on the 'Outs' as we would have only been paying some of Samatta's salary last season.

Also, contract renewals/improvements worth bearing in mind (did Targett/Konsa/anyone else sign new deals in the summer?).

We're probably close to last season in total but we'll be shifting out at least a couple of players before the window closes.

Forgot about Samatta. I'd say that wasn't far off. I deliberately underestimated to be on the cautious side but after  the trauma of seeing what we were paying rubbish a few years ago you're probably closer.  I'd say Ings is probably on more than that given he was probably the best paid player at Southampton anyway and his contract situation. Bailey probably less as he was only 19 when he signed for Leverkusen so I reckon his contract there wasn't that impressive. Not sure if Tuenzebe would be on 50k yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 20, 2021, 11:27:20 AM
With my font size and the way the text formats on my phone, on my 'recent posts' page it reads as Ings on £400k a week. So glad to find out it's probably only a oner.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 11:46:02 AM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2021, 11:51:36 AM
Yeah, it was just a bit of fun for five minutes, swapping number-crunching at work for villa-crunching.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 11:52:19 AM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.
I do not think it is that easy to sign players (2 of our targets have said no) , we still have 10 days to go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 11:54:23 AM
We shall, as ever, see. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to consider our preparations for this season as, how shall we put it, haphazard at best.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2021, 11:56:39 AM
We shall, as ever, see. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable to consider our preparations for this season as, how shall we put it, haphazard at best.
agree, the Grealish saga, 2 coaches fucking off, pre season matches cancelled, prime targets rejected us, still mustn't grumble.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2021, 12:16:03 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 12:28:01 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2021, 12:30:52 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

It was bollocks. Like I said, I'm sure they want more in. There's absolutey no point whatsoever in buying players just for the sake of it. Let's see how things go over the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
We’ve also had £100m plus whatever we got for Engels in.
We did spend a lot the previous 2 summers and the whole club has moved forward immeasurably since we almost went bump but I think this is the first sign that the ambition only goes so far. We might have to get ready for just being a club that sits comfortably in the PL and sells its best players from time to time rather than one that competes with the elite. I’d have taken the former 3 years ago but the insinuation has been for the latter, a bit like Lerners early days. I think (hope) that at least these won’t lose interest at some point though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

It was bollocks. Like I said, I'm sure they want more in. There's absolutey no point whatsoever in buying players just for the sake of it. Let's see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

Goodness me, no need for that. Of course I don't think they're actually like Sir Herbert. I just said 'come over all Dougish' because they're currently at a negative net spend in the summer of no FFP. How much more obviously could it have been put? No need to swear at me pal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 20, 2021, 12:38:41 PM
You have to look at the figures really. We've lost 168m over 2 seasons.. There's about 30m in revenue coming into the next accounts I think so that helps but realistically and sensibly, you don't want a European squad if you have no European games. It would be great to have 5 players on 50k only playing 10 games a season but its not financially viable if you're running a club as a going concern rather than a toy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2021, 12:39:08 PM
In all fairness Monty, accusing NSWE of employing Doug-enomics deserves criticism. They are everything Doug wasn’t. Ambitious, committed and they stay out of the media.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 12:39:39 PM
Nah, what was bollocks was that £200m to spend rumour that circulated back at the start of June. Utter bollocks that was.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Stu on August 20, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
The recruitment does fit with Lange's way of doing things when he was at FCK. I don't think we'll see us making JWP type signings for £50m, feel like that kind of signing is pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 20, 2021, 12:41:19 PM
We’ve also had £100m plus whatever we got for Engels in.
We did spend a lot the previous 2 summers and the whole club has moved forward immeasurably since we almost went bump but I think this is the first sign that the ambition only goes so far. We might have to get ready for just being a club that sits comfortably in the PL and sells its best players from time to time rather than one that competes with the elite. I’d have taken the former 3 years ago but the insinuation has been for the latter, a bit like Lerners early days. I think (hope) that at least these won’t lose interest at some point though.
I'm curious to how FFP will pan out after the pandemic.  One things that strikes me is that Man City are sailing very close to the wind right now, if they're genuinely about to spend £250m this summer.

My hope is that Purslow has been a clever operator.   That he's used the Super League fiasco to remove the Scab 6 from the decision making process, and we're staying whiter-than-white in FFP terms because we fully intend to beat Man City et al with that particular stick in the near future.  Scab 6 gone, we've got a room full of probable allies.

If we're honest, the whole league is so skewed in their favour right now that we need more than a couple of relatively free-spending billionaires to reign them in.  My hope is that we're making sure that we hold the levers of power within the Premier League, and we're getting ready to thoroughly shaft Man City once and for all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 12:41:26 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

Net spend is obviously massively distorted due to the sum we got for one player so not sure it’s particularly relevant. We go into the season with better options than we had last season but without that one star attraction. We’re not in the market, currently, to buy players at that level so we’ve had to do things slightly differently.

Some of you give the impression that you’ve given up on the season already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 12:41:43 PM
In all fairness Monty, accusing NSWE of employing Doug-enomics deserves criticism. They are everything Doug wasn’t. Ambitious, committed and they stay out of the media.

But I wasn't. It was just a rhetorical thing. Of course I don't actually think NSWE are really comparable to Doug rat-badgering Ellis. No reasonable person could think that, or think that I think that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

Net spend is obviously massively distorted due to the sum we got for one player so not sure it’s particularly relevant. We go into the season with better options than we had last season but without that one star attraction. We’re not in the market, currently, to buy players at that level so we’ve had to do things slightly differently.

Some of you give the impression that you’ve given up on the season already.

And some of us treat any criticism of the club ever as if it were personal criticism of ourselves. Or that any criticism must entail every hysterical interpretation, i.e. 'net spend is down and there are holes in the squad which ought to be addressed' = 'sack the manager, sack the board, forfeit the season and convert VP into an Asda'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 12:45:50 PM
The other thing to consider is that it doesn’t actually have to be all about money spent. To have imbalance in the squad after all of the ins and outs over the past couple of years is mental, and that fucks me off more than the fact that we’ve made a £15m profit or whatever it is this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2021, 12:48:16 PM
the amount of injuries our players pick up  is pissing me off
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 12:49:16 PM
Thing is, we weren't planning to sell Jack, had bough Buendia and were clearly in the market for more.  If FFP was truly behind us then it does seem odd to me to call it a day on transfers when we're in the black for the summer.

It seems there's a huge opportunity when loads of clubs are skint because of Covid.  If we finish the summer without taking further advantage of that it just feels a bit odd given our stated ambitions.

I want the sort of squad depth the top 6 clubs tend to have.   That means not having to play both of Ings and Watkins and compromising shape to do so, not having to play Nakamba or Luiz at DM and ideally having a proper dedicated 10 / left sided winger if that is the style Smith wants to continue to play. 

It just feels a bit deflating.  A missed opportunity really.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

Net spend is obviously massively distorted due to the sum we got for one player so not sure it’s particularly relevant. We go into the season with better options than we had last season but without that one star attraction. We’re not in the market, currently, to buy players at that level so we’ve had to do things slightly differently.

Some of you give the impression that you’ve given up on the season already.

And some of us treat any criticism of the club ever as if it were personal criticism of ourselves. Or that any criticism must entail every hysterical interpretation, i.e. 'net spend is down and there are holes in the squad which ought to be addressed' = 'sack the manager, sack the board, forfeit the season and convert VP into an Asda'.

Touchy.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
There’s still time in the window to complete deals. If we have seen anything from our incoming deals it’s that they happen quickly. I am sure conversations are happening behind the scenes and for squad space reasons some players need to leave; Conor, maybe Wes etc. So we can’t just bring players in until other things happen; with us or other clubs. These are people with families, relationships and with contracts. It’s not Football Manager where you just push a button.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

Net spend is obviously massively distorted due to the sum we got for one player so not sure it’s particularly relevant. We go into the season with better options than we had last season but without that one star attraction. We’re not in the market, currently, to buy players at that level so we’ve had to do things slightly differently.

Some of you give the impression that you’ve given up on the season already.

And some of us treat any criticism of the club ever as if it were personal criticism of ourselves. Or that any criticism must entail every hysterical interpretation, i.e. 'net spend is down and there are holes in the squad which ought to be addressed' = 'sack the manager, sack the board, forfeit the season and convert VP into an Asda'.

Touchy.

A little. The bloke you came in to bat for, however, said that my good-faith explanation of something was 'bollocks', so forgive me for feeling a little riled.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Thing is, we weren't planning to sell Jack, had bough Buendia and were clearly in the market for more.  If FFP was truly behind us then it does seem odd to me to call it a day on transfers when we're in the black for the summer.

It seems there's a huge opportunity when loads of clubs are skint because of Covid.  If we finish the summer without taking further advantage of that it just feels a bit odd given our stated ambitions.

I want the sort of squad depth the top 6 clubs tend to have.   That means not having to play both of Ings and Watkins and compromising shape to do so, not having to play Nakamba or Luiz at DM and ideally having a proper dedicated 10 / left sided winger if that is the style Smith wants to continue to play. 

It just feels a bit deflating.  A missed opportunity really.



Me too, I’d love is to be in that poison. It’s a bit chicken and egg though isn’t it. The top 6 have that depth because they are a top 6 club and therefore play more games. It becomes difficult to keep a squad of that size, all with aspirations to play, unless you can give them the expectation that they’ll feature regularly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
Yep, I couldn't give a shit about net spend but I do care that our only genuine defensive midfielder isn't good enough to be a regular starter for a club aiming for the top half of the table. Getting someone who can sit in front of the back 4 and become, effectively, a 3rd centre back if we get caught on the counter is the signing we need. He might not need to play every game, sometimes 3 8s will work fine and sometimes Luiz sitting deeper with 2 more attacking players ahead of him will be an option but not having a proper DM limits our options massively. Of the links Pape Sarr is the one I still want to see go further, he's young and raw so wouldn't be a regular starter (or expect to be) but him, Chuk and the Ramseys could become a fantastic set of midfield options as they develop together.

I think the squad is generally ok other than that and I don't really get why people, after Saturday, have suddenly decided that we signed 2 right wingers and have a massive gap on the left, Bailey will play on the left more often than not but will swap sides and have licence to drift, just like Grealish did.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
It's not like the opportunity hasn't been there this summer either. There are a number of decent players out there that could round the squad out. If we signed a holding mid and a wide left creative player, then I would look at the window as successful because we would have genuinely strengthened despite Kira Knightlys tribute act leaving. As it is, we are creatively worse, and still have the same issue in midfield. We have signed 2 right wingers and a striker that we needed. I'm not sure we are stronger at all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 01:00:13 PM
Yep, I couldn't give a shit about net spend but I do care that our only genuine defensive midfielder isn't good enough to be a regular starter for a club aiming for the top half of the table.

Well obviously, we care about net spend if the squad looks patchy, which it does.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
So, in the year where FFP doesn't apply, we've decided to come over all Dougish? I appreciate the board say they've got ambition and all but come on. The squad is thin, imbalanced and obviously, painfully lacking in areas. It needs sorting.

Come over all Dougish? We've spent over £90m. I'm sure they want more players in, it's just getting them. But yes, the owners are acting like Doug.

Net spend, me old mate, net spend is in the minus. Hence the FFP comment. And obviously the 'Dougish' thing was just hyperbole.

Net spend is obviously massively distorted due to the sum we got for one player so not sure it’s particularly relevant. We go into the season with better options than we had last season but without that one star attraction. We’re not in the market, currently, to buy players at that level so we’ve had to do things slightly differently.

Some of you give the impression that you’ve given up on the season already.

And some of us treat any criticism of the club ever as if it were personal criticism of ourselves. Or that any criticism must entail every hysterical interpretation, i.e. 'net spend is down and there are holes in the squad which ought to be addressed' = 'sack the manager, sack the board, forfeit the season and convert VP into an Asda'.

Touchy.

A little. The bloke you came in to bat for, however, said that my good-faith explanation of something was 'bollocks', so forgive me for feeling a little riled.

A nice turn of phrase but I wasn’t batting for anyone but myself. I’ve found it dispiriting reading parts of this site recently so have tended to steer clear. I felt like contributing today and your post was the most recent one to respond to.
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Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 01:05:01 PM
Well then, apart from the 'Dougish' bit (which I honestly didn't imagine anyone could take literally), what about my original post suggests I've 'given up on the season'? Like I said, not every criticism is meant as a prediction of catastrophe.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 01:14:41 PM
I don't want to come over all unappreciative of what's gone on so far with the current owners at all but;
To elaborate on squad imbalance, when you're talking about players that are good enough to be regular in a team pushing for europe we have the following;
GK 1 for 1 position
Defence 5 and 1 borderline for 4 positions
Midfield 1 and 1 borderline for 3 positions
Forwards 4 and 1 borderline for 3 positions (assuming the 3 new guys do well)
I get the part about not being in europe yet so we may not be able to have quite the strength in depth of teams that are, but we're short. If the ambition is as strong as it's made out to be and we're in credit this summer with transfers surely we need to look for more still. I thought our scouting network was meant to be the dogs bollocks, surely if a couple a players turn us down we can come up with other options to fill the gaps, we should be looking at this all year round, not just in the 3 months they have to do something over the summer (which should be enough in itself).

I just hope for all the good work done so far we're not going to put the brakes on. We don't necessarily even have to spend a fortune, just find someone to make us more effective in midfield, primarily at stopping the opposition just running through us.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
I’d be pretty disappointed if we don’t make another substantial signing.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 20, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
Bit harsh if you're talking about 'pushing for Europe' as opposed o top 4.

I don't want to come over all unappreciative of what's gone on so far with the current owners at all but;
To elaborate on squad imbalance, when you're talking about players that are good enough to be regular in a team pushing for europe we have the following;
GK 1 for 1 position
Defence 5 and 1 borderline for 4 positions - Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Axel, Young (Coutney Borderline)?
Midfield 1 and 1 borderline for 3 positions McGinn, Luiz, Buendia (if used as a 10) (Ramsey, Sanson borderline? - Sanson has played in Europe)
Forwards 4 and 1 borderline for 3 positions (assuming the 3 new guys do well) Watkins, Ings, Bailey, Traore (+ Buendia if used wide)
itself).

I just hope for all the good work done so far we're not going to put the brakes on. We don't necessarily even have to spend a fortune, just find someone to make us more effective in midfield, primarily at stopping the opposition just running through us.
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Post by: wince on August 20, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
If midfield is not sorted we will be in a Relegation fight,Mark my words.

I can't believe how bad this summer has been.

Where's the money??

Waiting for the monster energy cheque to clear.

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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 03:07:17 PM
Chris, i'm talking about what i've seen so far in a Villa shirt and i'm talking about playing regularly not just filling in here and there, as we have a few that are fine for that but;
Last seasons back 4 plus Young are all good enough no doubt, Hause might be but inconsistant. Tuenzebe i've seen little of at PL level and he is injury prone. Guilbert is not quite at the standard to be a regular but ok for the squad.
Mcginn is good enough and Luiz might be if he can toughen a little and find some consistancy. He's still young and i'm sure he'll get there but i'm talking about next season only at this point. Sanson has done nowt yet and for Nakamba, Hourahane and Ramsey (at this point) see Guilbert comment. Chucky is a kid still.
Watkins is good enough and i'm sure Ings is, Buendia and Bailey on the face of it also but early days. Traore is borderline, talented but inconsistant and sometimes a bit half arsed. El Ghazi, Davis and a recovering Wesley see Guilbert comment.

So we're fine for defence and forwards but way off for midfield and i wouldn't mind seeing another goalkeeper as well.
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Post by: SaddVillan on August 20, 2021, 06:28:25 PM
Weston McKennie:

As previously stated:

Miralem Pjanic is yet to secure a move away from FC Barcelona, and the clock is ticking. The Bosnian international is keen to return to Juventus and his former coach, Massimo Allegri, would like to work with him again. Even though all parties would like a move to happen, Juventus would need to lower their wage bill before bringing in the unwanted Barcelona player. As things stand, the Turin club are yet to receive any offers for ex-Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey, who is one of the club's top earners. Now, it looks as if Pjanic's future is dependent on American midfielder Weston McKennie making a move to the Premier League.

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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 06:32:22 PM
McKennie and Sarr apparently in talks with Spurs.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
I’m delighted with the signings we’ve made, but we’re still short.
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Post by: Risso on August 20, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
McKennie and Sarr apparently in talks with Spurs.

FFS, two very good players indeed. I really don't get it, why do 75% of a good window, but not address the serious shortcomings?
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Post by: London Villan on August 20, 2021, 06:49:35 PM
Spurs are spending the kane money.
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Post by: Hairbandinho on August 20, 2021, 06:53:41 PM
Aware this may be controversial but I don't really think much of our transfer window. Most of the players we have bought in are actually effecting the balance of the team almost creating square pegs in round holes.

And yet still the central midfield that is a big problem hasn't been improved.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on August 20, 2021, 07:01:39 PM
Aware this may be controversial but I don't really think much of our transfer window. Most of the players we have bought in are actually effecting the balance of the team almost creating square pegs in round holes.

And yet still the central midfield that is a big problem hasn't been improved.

Completely agree, however looking at this from another angle I doubt very much that the club does not recognise this. However if the right player isn’t available then there’s not a fat lot that can be done about it, frustrating as it is.
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Post by: KRS on August 20, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
If you ignore the fact that we lost our best player, the signings we have made are significant improvements and upgrades to the team and squad when he who shalt be named was out injured. Whether or not we’ll be a better team without him now he’s gone is a different question altogether and can’t be answered until the transfer window is over.
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Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
Aware this may be controversial but I don't really think much of our transfer window. Most of the players we have bought in are actually effecting the balance of the team almost creating square pegs in round holes.

And yet still the central midfield that is a big problem hasn't been improved.

Completely agree, however looking at this from another angle I doubt very much that the club does not recognise this. However if the right player isn’t available then there’s not a fat lot that can be done about it, frustrating as it is.

I think this is the first time in over decade that we now have serious alternatives to our starting 11 and perhaps we need to recalibrate a little. We don't have to fit all these players in the starting 11 every week and we don't have to play the same way/system every week. I think that was our big problem last season - on both counts.

Central midfield still needs sorting, definitely. Whether it's using what we've got to alter the balance or (preferably) bringing in another option.
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Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2021, 07:18:46 PM
The other thing to consider is that it doesn’t actually have to be all about money spent. To have imbalance in the squad after all of the ins and outs over the past couple of years is mental, and that fucks me off more than the fact that we’ve made a £15m profit or whatever it is this summer.

The squad isn't imbalanced. It may not have the style of player some people want but we're not imbalanced with a ton of right backs..
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 20, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
We’ve been told in the past that there is always an A, B, C choice once we have identified gaps in the squad, JWP was probably A so we’ll see B or C come in

Much as I love DS a and want him to succeed, I would take everything he says on transfers with a pinch of salt. He said Jack had no release clause, etc etc etc. I’d be amazed if we didn’t see another 2 players in
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 20, 2021, 07:25:13 PM
McKennie and Sarr apparently in talks with Spurs.

FFS, two very good players indeed. I really don't get it, why do 75% of a good window, but not address the serious shortcomings?

Report of €10m fee + €5m in bonuses for Sarr.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 07:28:13 PM
Utter madness. Can only think he's been holding out for a more glamorous move
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 07:35:27 PM
The other thing to consider is that it doesn’t actually have to be all about money spent. To have imbalance in the squad after all of the ins and outs over the past couple of years is mental, and that fucks me off more than the fact that we’ve made a £15m profit or whatever it is this summer.

The squad isn't imbalanced. It may not have the style of player some people want but we're not imbalanced with a ton of right backs..

It’s imbalanced in regards to having more than enough good defenders and attackers and not enough good midfielders. Would I have traded one of Bailey, Ings and Buendia for a top defensive mid, yes. Would I have also traded one of Young or Tuanzebe for another good mid in addition, possibly. This is the 3rd summer window since we got promoted and we’ve signed 1 defensive mid who was quite obviously not quite up to it early on and still looks like a bit of a weak link 2 years on.
That said, I’d really prefer not to have to trade anyone as the numbers look good and about spot on in defence and attack. Especially as we’ve made a profit so far this summer and all we’ve heard is that the owners ‘won’t rest’ until we’re back where we belong in European competition. If the squad remains as it is we’re not progressing this season IMHO.
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Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
The other thing to consider is that it doesn’t actually have to be all about money spent. To have imbalance in the squad after all of the ins and outs over the past couple of years is mental, and that fucks me off more than the fact that we’ve made a £15m profit or whatever it is this summer.

The squad isn't imbalanced. It may not have the style of player some people want but we're not imbalanced with a ton of right backs..

It’s imbalanced in regards to having more than enough good defenders and attackers and not enough good midfielders. Would I have traded one of Bailey, Ings and Buendia for a top defensive mid, yes. Would I have also traded one of Young or Tuanzebe for another good mid in addition, possibly. This is the 3rd summer window since we got promoted and we’ve signed 1 defensive mid who was quite obviously not quite up to it early on and still looks like a bit of a weak link 2 years on.
That said, I’d really prefer not to have to trade anyone as the numbers look good and about spot on in defence and attack. Especially as we’ve made a profit so far this summer and all we’ve heard is that the owners ‘won’t rest’ until we’re back where we belong in European competition. If the squad remains as it is we’re not progressing this season IMHO.

I’d say replace Conor, as much as I like him, with a very decent defensive minded midfielder and it’s very balanced. Maybe an upgrade on Marv wouldn’t go amis.

Losing Joe was never going to help and always put a very bad tilt on things no matter what we did.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2021, 07:51:44 PM
Yes, ideally offload Connor who looking back has done us proud over his Villa career after a slow start but couldn’t cut it in the championship for Swansea last season. Get a quality player in to replace him and we’re at least close to where we need to be at that point.
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Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 07:57:06 PM
Yep, I’m still hopeful we’re not quite done. Very hopeful anyway, maybe it’s blind faith. But I agree we really need that someone in there in front of the back line. Luiz could be that someone but he’s full so young and full of promise but like any youngster has loss of form.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
I reckon Harry winks is incoming. Plan b or c.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 08:10:58 PM
I reckon it will be Winks too. Late loan to buy type deal. He can join the Dean Smith hall of fame for non descript midfield players.
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Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 08:15:43 PM
I didn’t think Smith was in charge of transfers? Or is he only in charge of the stockpiling of non specialty midfielders?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:16:12 PM
I reckon Harry winks is incoming. Plan b or c.

Was just going to type that. Seem an ominous August 31st, 11.59pm signing to me now we ain't getting in Ward Prowse.

Just watching Betis play and notice William Carvalho is on the bench. His stock isn't as high as a few years back when likes of West Ham were trying to sign him for 40m but he's an experienced DM for Portugal and Betis and they might move him on for 20m as imagine his contract is running down so for where we are we could do worse....like signing Harry Winks.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 20, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
Yup, very good player but there would be concern that he's getting on and never played in a league with a higher pace to it.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:22:16 PM
Yep, I couldn't give a shit about net spend but I do care that our only genuine defensive midfielder isn't good enough to be a regular starter for a club aiming for the top half of the table.

Well obviously, we care about net spend if the squad looks patchy, which it does.

It's not thin though. We have two players for each position now bar left wing where it's just El Ghazi and then JPB and I doubt either will start tomorrow.

We have four good CBs, cover at both full back and multiple central midfielders and front 3 players now so while I accept it's unbalanced in some areas you give this squad to Guardiola, Tuchel or even Brendan Rodgers and they'd come up with a formation that would get us winning a decent amount of games.

Over to you Dean.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:25:02 PM
Yup, very good player but there would be concern that he's getting on and never played in a league with a higher pace to it.

Good point. Thought he was still only 25-26 but 29 in April so perhaps like Gana fits the one year loan option.

Would rather do that and wait for a really good target to become available in January or next summer then spunk 30-40m on someone unsuitable like Harry Winks.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 08:28:17 PM
Gana is playing for PSG tonight.

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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:28:20 PM
I didn’t think Smith was in charge of transfers? Or is he only in charge of the stockpiling of non specialty midfielders?

Wasn't the rumour in Jan 2020 Suso was on verge of signing Steven Nzonzi and DS overruled and got in Drinkwater instead so think it's a bit of mix and match. If we're signing 6-7 a summer, some will be who Lange identifies and other half will be Smith signings.

We had three months to find an Engels replacement and Tuanzabe returns on loan so I'd suggest DS would be behind that target otherwise it makes a mockery of all the scouts and stats we're using now.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2021, 08:30:27 PM
Lange was apparently squarely being the Bailey signing.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 20, 2021, 08:32:37 PM
I always rated Nzonzi but, when I used to watch Villa games on holiday in the same bar in Spain I always got drinking with a Blackburn fan I got to know and he had a patholgical hatred of him, said his attitude stunk and was lazy and really unpopular with teammates.

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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:34:27 PM
Lange was apparently squarely being the Bailey signing.

No problem with that. Bailey is sort of signing we need to be making more of in next 2-3 years if we seriously want to do anything at top level.

Was assuming though we'd pick up a sort of development signing for CB and possibly DM aswell although that's more pressing need.

Can only think DS wasn't too happy with Engels and Gulibert so in certain positions he probably has more say than others.
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Post by: Ian. on August 20, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
I didn’t think Smith was in charge of transfers? Or is he only in charge of the stockpiling of non specialty midfielders?

Wasn't the rumour in Jan 2020 Suso was on verge of signing Steven Nzonzi and DS overruled and got in Drinkwater instead so think it's a bit of mix and match. If we're signing 6-7 a summer, some will be who Lange identifies and other half will be Smith signings.

We had three months to find an Engels replacement and Tuanzabe returns on loan so I'd suggest DS would be behind that target otherwise it makes a mockery of all the scouts and stats we're using now.

With Drinkwater in your back catalogue, I hope Lange has someone in mind for this elusive missing midfielder then!
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Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
If the club sign Harry Winks I have no idea what that solves/does for the side.

I'd rather wait until another transfer window to get a Plan A signing.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
I always rated Nzonzi but, when I used to watch Villa games on holiday in the same bar in Spain I always got drinking with a Blackburn fan I got to know and he had a patholgical hatred of him, said his attitude stunk and was lazy and really unpopular with teammates.



Since he left Blackburn he had a brilliant few seasons at Sevilla playing at high level, part of France world cup winning squad and even going to Rennes that window he's done fine and think they qualified for CL last season.

So slightly better than Drinkwater's years in football since 2017!
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Post by: Dave on August 20, 2021, 10:15:36 PM
Gana is playing for PSG tonight.

Pinged one in from 45 yards as well.
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Post by: Matt C on August 20, 2021, 11:00:16 PM
DS (via Express & Star)

He explained: “At the moment in midfield places I have John McGinn, Douglas Luiz, Marvelous Nakamba, Carney Chukwuemeka, JJ (Jacob Ramsey), Conor Hourihane and Morgan Sanson coming back from injury.

“There are a lot of numbers in there and I think to add to that would be stockpiling players a little bit. Players would probably need to move out before we moved anyone in for that area.”

Which says to me there’s still every chance of a midfield signing but we need to move one on first.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 20, 2021, 11:03:59 PM
We put in a bid for JWP though *shrugs*
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Post by: Monty on August 20, 2021, 11:06:58 PM
Well we do know that Hourihane is most likely on the way out.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Feels like Hourihane will end up somewhere like Celtic. perhaps a loan and they sign him for a million or two in January.

I'm surprised he's still here tbh.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2021, 11:18:53 PM
Lange was apparently squarely being the Bailey signing.

He was spot on then.
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Post by: Risso on August 20, 2021, 11:19:39 PM
DS (via Express & Star)

He explained: “At the moment in midfield places I have John McGinn, Douglas Luiz, Marvelous Nakamba, Carney Chukwuemeka, JJ (Jacob Ramsey), Conor Hourihane and Morgan Sanson coming back from injury.

“There are a lot of numbers in there and I think to add to that would be stockpiling players a little bit. Players would probably need to move out before we moved anyone in for that area.”

Which says to me there’s still every chance of a midfield signing but we need to move one on first.

Only one of those is a defensive midfielder, and he isn't good enough. Another is a completely untested kid, then there's someone else who was on loan in the Championship last year, and somebody who has hardly kicked a ball in anger because of being injured for months and months. Buy a defensive midfielder, FFS.
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Post by: KRS on August 21, 2021, 12:02:49 AM
Bit of a ridiculous statement that from DS:

Nakamba: not good enough at this level and needs to be moved on.
Hourihane: not good enough at this level, was loaned out last season and needs to be moved on.
Chuk: has to fight for a place and prove he’s good enough.
Ramsey: has to fight for a place and prove he’s good enough.
Sanson: injured forever and fuck knows if he’s good.

So yeah…2 out of 7 isn’t exactly stockpiling players, so do your job…move on the ones that aren’t good enough and sign some players. If Europe is the genuine target then it’s plain for all to see that our midfield options don’t cut the mustard by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 21, 2021, 12:05:14 AM
His job isn't to move them on. It's to coach the ones that are here.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2021, 12:06:59 AM
I reckon Harry winks is incoming. Plan b or c.

Was just going to type that. Seem an ominous August 31st, 11.59pm signing to me now we ain't getting in Ward Prowse.

Just watching Betis play and notice William Carvalho is on the bench. His stock isn't as high as a few years back when likes of West Ham were trying to sign him for 40m but he's an experienced DM for Portugal and Betis and they might move him on for 20m as imagine his contract is running down so for where we are we could do worse....like signing Harry Winks.

Carvalho was absolute rubbish in the Euros. Winks would be another Westwood. Might well be a case of working harder on Luiz to be that number six for us. Has the ability but needs a proper partner. I've been advocating for Thomas Delaney for the last couple of years, think he would be ideal.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2021, 01:04:52 AM

He explained: “At the moment in midfield places I have John McGinn, Douglas Luiz, Marvelous Nakamba, Carney Chukwuemeka, JJ (Jacob Ramsey), Conor Hourihane and Morgan Sanson coming back from injury.

Pretty staggering this.

McGinn, yes, fair enough.
Luiz poor all last season.
Nakamba patently not good enough for where we want to be.
Chuk - about 13, clearly not going to be starting PL games for a long time.
Ramsey - unproven at best.
Hourihane - Championship quality at the very best.
Sanson - who knows? Perma-injured thus far.

The recurring theme last season was watching the midfield disintegrate. We saw it again last weekend.

I just don't see how he thinks flogging Grealish and using a chunk of the money to buy Ings, Bailey and Buendia addresses the fact that we are absolutely powder puff in midfield.

Coming out of this window having flogged an incredibly important and talented player to spend less than we bring in and neglect the exact area pretty much every single frequent viewer of ours would say we are weak in is absolutely spurning a great opportunity to crack on.

It will be a massive let down.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 21, 2021, 01:11:25 AM

He explained: “At the moment in midfield places I have John McGinn, Douglas Luiz, Marvelous Nakamba, Carney Chukwuemeka, JJ (Jacob Ramsey), Conor Hourihane and Morgan Sanson coming back from injury.

Pretty staggering this.

McGinn, yes, fair enough.
Luiz poor all last season.
Nakamba patently not good enough for where we want to be.
Chuk - about 13, clearly not going to be starting PL games for a long time.
Ramsey - unproven at best.
Hourihane - Championship quality at the very best.
Sanson - who knows? Perma-injured thus far.

The recurring theme last season was watching the midfield disintegrate. We saw it again last weekend.

I just don't see how he thinks flogging Grealish and using a chunk of the money to buy Ings, Bailey and Buendia addresses the fact that we are absolutely powder puff in midfield.

Coming out of this window having flogged an incredibly important and talented player to spend less than we bring in and neglect the exact area pretty much every single frequent viewer of ours would say we are weak in is absolutely spurning a great opportunity to crack on.

It will be a massive let down.

It HAS to be bollocks*, it makes no sense to bid for JWP if he is already 'stockpiling'.

*I repeat to myself, rocking back and forth
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Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2021, 05:47:54 AM
This stockpiling thing is bobbins. Top clubs buy better players to move them forward and sell, loan or let go worse ones, they don't wait till they are out the door first 90% of the time. Something isn't quite right atm, we look like we are sell to buy, which is a huge shift from where we have been and is a concerning turn of events if there is a tightening from the owners. They've been incredible, but I do wonder how much of a knock in confidence to the project losing the jewel has been.

JJ could be loaned to a good championship club for consistent football which would do him good.

Hourihane needs to be sold, albeit cheaply due to his contract, or loaned out with acceptance he's done an incredibly good turn for this club and he needs football

Nakamba needs to be a back up and could miss weeks with afcon this season

Dougie has all the talent but isn't a 6 in my view.

McGinn - needs to play higher to get him in the box, clearly able to score goals and get back in, so a very effective 8/10.

Chuck could be the same as McGinn but at 17, need gradual integration.

Trouble is central midfield is the place where a game is easily lost. Not always won, but the place you have to earn the right to play and get on the front foot. We look and are lightweight in there at the moment. It's a big week or so.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 07:26:12 AM
It’s all a bit deflating at the moment. I thought we’d get JWP for whatever it cost because he’s much better than what we have, plus an accomplished DCM and maybe even Cantwell. Now I’m at the less ambitious ‘surely there’s better value out there’ stage, when once I thought that was pretty irrelevant compared to our ambition. I feel that soon I’ll be pinning my hopes on Ramsay & Chuk.

Come on Villa, restore my faith.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on August 21, 2021, 07:31:00 AM
Yes, it feels all very 2010/11 at the moment. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 07:33:40 AM
Well at least this might be good news
https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1428699855644463110?s=21

I don’t understand why we would seriously bid twice for JWP then turn around after failing and  msaying we’re now done. I hope this isn’t Smith holding us back because if it is, it gives the feeling he’s not ruthless enough to manage a squad and rotate players during a long season. Is he too nice?
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Post by: ROBBO on August 21, 2021, 07:46:44 AM
Using that list of so called midfielders is just plain daft, I would much rather he said nothing.
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Post by: caster troy on August 21, 2021, 07:55:16 AM
We were told to only expect 2-3 major signings. I guess that was supposed to be Buendia, JWP and then Smith-Rowe as this year's Martinez style move. Then you know who said he was leaving and we picked up Bailey and Ings to replace him. So I'm surprised we haven't pressed on in the central midfield area because we were clearly looking to strengthen there.

Getting Bailey in proves we can punch about our weight in the European market, I'm disappointed we haven't yet done more of that. Hopefully we are bluffing and will pick someone up nearer to deadline day when clubs get desperate.
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Post by: john2710 on August 21, 2021, 08:25:43 AM
As fans we look no further ahead than season to season & in a lot of cases week to week. Expecting we can fix every issue in the next transfer window or by changing next week's starting 11 or formation. Happy to buy just to fill in the gaps or throw in the kids. Until we find out that they are no better than what we had. For too long that's how we've been run.

The club are looking 2-3 seasons ahead & building for the future. We're in good hands. We've got some great kids coming through. We're making good decisions that'll mean our progress over the last 3 years is sustainable. This isn't Doug or Lerner cutting corners. There will be setbacks & I think the Grealish sale has put us back 12 months. But we should only buy when it's a better option than what we have.

But we do need a defensive midfielder.
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Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 08:33:35 AM
That’s a very good point John, as fans we really only look at the last and next game and our vision is extremely distorted. The owners and management are in the long game.

Still, like you say this elusive specialty enforcer could really make a difference.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 08:56:17 AM
This stockpiling thing is bobbins. Top clubs buy better players to move them forward and sell, loan or let go worse ones, they don't wait till they are out the door first 90% of the time. Something isn't quite right atm, we look like we are sell to buy, which is a huge shift from where we have been and is a concerning turn of events if there is a tightening from the owners. They've been incredible, but I do wonder how much of a knock in confidence to the project losing the jewel has been.

JJ could be loaned to a good championship club for consistent football which would do him good.

Hourihane needs to be sold, albeit cheaply due to his contract, or loaned out with acceptance he's done an incredibly good turn for this club and he needs football

Nakamba needs to be a back up and could miss weeks with afcon this season

Dougie has all the talent but isn't a 6 in my view.

McGinn - needs to play higher to get him in the box, clearly able to score goals and get back in, so a very effective 8/10.

Chuck could be the same as McGinn but at 17, need gradual integration.

Trouble is central midfield is the place where a game is easily lost. Not always won, but the place you have to earn the right to play and get on the front foot. We look and are lightweight in there at the moment. It's a big week or so.

Agree exactly with that and add Sanson - so far in his Villa career injured a lot and when he's played he's looked slightly better than Hourahane so the jury is definately out on whether he's any kind of answer. Oh, and again he's not a defensive mid.

My worry is that if many of the fans feel that we're 'settling' and 'holding back', what are our top players going to think? For all the 'loving being here' comments a player like Martinez is not going to hang around playing for a mid table team. Same with Watkins, Konsa and if he proves to be as good as we think, Bailey. You get one or two of those unsettled every summer and you're always fighting against the tide, having to replace good players before you can even look to improve the squad overall. We need to finish with a flourish, buy big in Jan or start next summer with a few big signings or in 12 months some of these are going to wonder about 'the plan'. Lets face it we've seen this so many times over the past 25 years or more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2021, 08:58:40 AM
For a team that finished 11th to have a net profit on transfers and lose your best player doesn’t scream ambition. Lets hope the next two weeks are busy, but im less confident of that now.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2021, 09:03:47 AM

He explained: “At the moment in midfield places I have John McGinn, Douglas Luiz, Marvelous Nakamba, Carney Chukwuemeka, JJ (Jacob Ramsey), Conor Hourihane and Morgan Sanson coming back from injury.

Pretty staggering this.

McGinn, yes, fair enough.
Luiz poor all last season.
Nakamba patently not good enough for where we want to be.
Chuk - about 13, clearly not going to be starting PL games for a long time.
Ramsey - unproven at best.
Hourihane - Championship quality at the very best.
Sanson - who knows? Perma-injured thus far.

The recurring theme last season was watching the midfield disintegrate. We saw it again last weekend.

I just don't see how he thinks flogging Grealish and using a chunk of the money to buy Ings, Bailey and Buendia addresses the fact that we are absolutely powder puff in midfield.

Coming out of this window having flogged an incredibly important and talented player to spend less than we bring in and neglect the exact area pretty much every single frequent viewer of ours would say we are weak in is absolutely spurning a great opportunity to crack on.

It will be a massive let down.
spot on, Smith is almost alone in thinking the centre of midfield isn’t a problem.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
That’s a very good point John, as fans we really only look at the last and next game and our vision is extremely distorted. The owners and management are in the long game.

Still, like you say this elusive specialty enforcer could really make a difference.

I really think that's a load of rubbish. The average manager lasts for 69 matches in the Premier League, so not even 2 complete seasons. So owners aren't looking that far ahead on average, and managers certainly shouldn't be. In any case, the midfield hasn't been right for two years, and we only fixed the fact that we had only one proper striker because Greasy left.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 09:16:17 AM
Yep, we had enough of that BS with Lerner. I never quite expected us to be doing an Abramovic 03-05 type spend or Man City 09-12 but i would at the very least have expected us to be fully ready in all departments by now rather than just some.
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 09:24:38 AM
It really is incredible that some fans seem to think that the owners only want to spend the Grealish money or we lack ambition just because we've not bought in another midfielder. Those two guys have ploughed in fucking millions on and of the pitch. Lets have a bit more patience shall we? Those pair have earned it.
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Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
That’s a very good point John, as fans we really only look at the last and next game and our vision is extremely distorted. The owners and management are in the long game.

Still, like you say this elusive specialty enforcer could really make a difference.

I really think that's a load of rubbish. The average manager lasts for 69 matches in the Premier League, so not even 2 complete seasons. So owners aren't looking that far ahead on average, and managers certainly shouldn't be. In any case, the midfield hasn't been right for two years, and we only fixed the fact that we had only one proper striker because Greasy left.

I don’t know, maybe elsewhere but our owners have been banging on about this long term plan since they arrived. Maybe it may be different this season if we have one of those disastrous runs we seem to have.

Often we can all get quite divided on opinions from one thing or another but everyone seems to be on agreement on the midfield. It’s been our week point for so so long.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 09:29:27 AM
It really is incredible that some fans seem to think that the owners only want to spend the Grealish money or we lack ambition just because we've not bought in another midfielder. Those two guys have ploughed in fucking millions on and of the pitch. Lets have a bit more patience shall we? Those pair have earned it.


I’m sure most are more concerned not with the owners ambition and size of their pockets and are very grateful but there is definitely a cause for concern regarding the midfield. To bid twice on JWP seems to indicate Smith had concerns and it raised my hopes too that it was going to be addressed. Losing Joe has not helped morale and with him on song it could paper over the cracks, it’s a worry that without him we may struggle in this department.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 09:30:17 AM
Well at least this might be good news
https://twitter.com/thespursweb/status/1428699855644463110?s=21


Heh. Judging from the spurts fans' comments, Winks staying is slightly more of a disaster than Kane wanting to leave.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2021, 09:31:07 AM
It's good to have a long term vision, but you also need to live for today in the Premier League. If we really want to be challenging the top 6 then we can't go on having a midfield that isn't anywhere near as good as the teams above us.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 09:31:12 AM
It really is incredible that some fans seem to think that the owners only want to spend the Grealish money or we lack ambition just because we've not bought in another midfielder. Those two guys have ploughed in fucking millions on and of the pitch. Lets have a bit more patience shall we? Those pair have earned it.

Football doesn't deal in "patience". We need to get in and amongst the top four this season or next at the latest or we will keep losing star players. I'm not going to be very happy if the extent of our spending next summer is buying  replacements for Martinez, Konsa or Carney Chukwuemeka.

There's nothing wrong with being disappointed that the club seemed to have got itself in a position to compete at the top level, but when the opportunity presented itself we have bottled the contest and settled for midtable obscurity.

Not signing a proper midfielder is simply unfathomably stupid.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
can Wesley play DM?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
I reckon Harry winks is incoming. Plan b or c.

Was just going to type that. Seem an ominous August 31st, 11.59pm signing to me now we ain't getting in Ward Prowse.

Just watching Betis play and notice William Carvalho is on the bench. His stock isn't as high as a few years back when likes of West Ham were trying to sign him for 40m but he's an experienced DM for Portugal and Betis and they might move him on for 20m as imagine his contract is running down so for where we are we could do worse....like signing Harry Winks.

Carvalho was absolute rubbish in the Euros.

So was Bruno Fernandes. Just sayin'.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 09:36:58 AM
so was Harry Kane.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2021, 09:47:03 AM
can Wesley play DM?
in that I could have a go at playing the bagpipes but no one would want to listen to it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 21, 2021, 09:47:27 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on August 21, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
What's concerning is Deano's perception of good midfielders, Drinkwater, Barkley and the Winks rumours.  Mmm!  I don't know anything about running a top football club but I do know (with hindsight obv.)that those three wouldn't improve our reserve side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2021, 09:50:48 AM
I can not see how the owners are being blamed for us not having a defensive midfielder player.
The problem is with the people that have decided not to make it the top priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 09:51:07 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 09:51:55 AM
"seem to have given up".... really?
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 09:54:39 AM
"seem to have given up".... really?

I know, nonsense isn't it? There's more Tarquins about than I thought
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 21, 2021, 09:55:10 AM
Did Smith start the Winks rumours?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2021, 09:56:46 AM
"seem to have given up".... really?

There’s only one person who gave up…..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Yes. Man City and Liverpool have been the best two teams in England for a while, with the brief exception of last season when Mary Poppins' mate got injured. So if you want to finish top four you have to aim to catch one of Man U or Chelsea. Both have improved massively. Every transfer window you should be looking to improve. We have regressed. If you're not competing to finish in the top four, you're not competing. Everywhere else is irrelevant.
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 09:57:00 AM
And don't get me wrong, of course we need another defensive midfielder. Just because we haven't signed one yet doesn't mean we've 'given up'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 21, 2021, 09:57:31 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.

This summer was a real kick in the teeth down to you know who. Without him we’ve been nothing but woeful. A win today will really help the mood.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:00:19 AM
We need an attacking midfielder, too. We were at our best last season when Barkley was playing well. So far we have replaced Grealish, Taylor, Trezeguet and Engels but not Barkley and haven't bothered addressing our porous midfield.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.


Also, let's nor forget they built up the expectation by stating where they want us to be. They stated Europe, to get there we need to continuously improve and to improve we need to spend money. We're grateful but we didn't ask them to do it and we certainly did set the bench mark of Europe, they did that.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 10:01:37 AM
Yes. Man City and Liverpool have been the best two teams in England for a while, with the brief exception of last season when Mary Poppins' mate got injured. So if you want to finish top four you have to aim to catch one of Man U or Chelsea. Both have improved massively. Every transfer window you should be looking to improve. We have regressed. If you're not competing to finish in the top four, you're not competing. Everywhere else is irrelevant.
I hope we've given up to the standards Leicester City have over the past year or two then.
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 10:06:49 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.


Also, let's nor forget they built up the expectation by stating where they want us to be. They stated Europe, to get there we need to continuously improve and to improve we need to spend money. We're grateful but we didn't ask them to do it and we certainly did set the bench mark of Europe, they did that.

We didn't ask them to put the money in? Christ, you're turning into one of those fans you see on Arsenal TV.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
I just think Smith doesn't view a CM/DM as a priority. He didn't when ratboy was here so why would he change his mind now? As for getting stick if we don't win, I think he'd deserve a few pelters from people on here. He's been fecked over by circumstances and luck to a certain extent but ratboy wasn't in charge of getting the players fit.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
Smith isn’t just communicating to villa fans.  Hopefully* he is trying to give the impression to other clubs that we are skint so prices quoted are reasonable.  Secondly, gives the current players a boost that they are part of the plans.

* we would be nuts if we do not buy a DCM.  It’s been a problem ever since we returned to the PL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 10:15:28 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?
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Post by: TonyD on August 21, 2021, 10:16:17 AM
We have had about 4 transfer windows to sign a midfield chopper.  No excuses.   
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because we need both.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 21, 2021, 10:25:32 AM
We have a glaring need for a Defensive midfielder. One good defensive midfielder would give us the platform we need.
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Post by: Monty on August 21, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because we need both.

We do, but I think we need the defensive one more as at least that could release McGinn to play further forward.
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Post by: Beard82 on August 21, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
So I’ve been thinking about this last night - as Mrs Beard had an early night. 

The owners are running this properly - and clearly want to make us a force again.  I think we need to not mix up the performance of staff with ambitions of the owners.  There not like Doug - where everything goes through them.  They have set up a management structure and put people in place to perform tasks.

We saw with Jesus that they weren’t happy with his performance so he went.  But they have backed all there staff up to the point where they can’t ask for more.  I would imagine if Lange had more targets to bring in to match the criteria then they will back them.

If at the end of the season we haven’t met the targets the board set and they think it’s because of recruitment - then Lange will be fired.  If they think it’s down to coaching then Dean will go, and if it’s broader than that then purslow will go.

They clearly put faith in the people they employee - and only act if they are not performing as required rather.

So I don’t think the issue a lack of ambition or change in ambition   - it’s the judgement of the management team.  And ultimately it then who have there heads on the line
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:33:00 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because we need both.

We do, but I think we need the defensive one more as at least that could release McGinn to play further forward.

That might work I reckon.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 21, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 21, 2021, 10:35:18 AM
Exactly.
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Post by: Risso on August 21, 2021, 10:41:16 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because we need both.

We do, but I think we need the defensive one more as at least that could release McGinn to play further forward.

That might work I reckon.

I agree with Monty. Buy a proper DM, and then all of a sudden the likes of McGinn will look much better. When you have two players doing a job at 75% of their ability because it's not their natural game, then the whole team looks worse.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because we need both.

We do, but I think we need the defensive one more as at least that could release McGinn to play further forward.

That’s my view too Monty.  With McGinn’s energy he can be both an 8 defensively and 10 when attacking.  Barkley never had the fitness/awareness/inclination to drop in when the opposition were on top so even last year we risked being over-run unless the wingers really dropped back.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 21, 2021, 10:49:42 AM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 

I don’t think people are using their league win as an example, more how they sign players often ahead of when they’re needed.  They’ve sold Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, Chillwell over the years and arguably still grown as a club.  They’re about to expand their stadium whilst still winning trophies too.  It’s impressive what they’ve done.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 21, 2021, 11:03:38 AM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 

I don’t think people are using their league win as an example, more how they sign players often ahead of when they’re needed.  They’ve sold Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, Chillwell over the years and arguably still grown as a club.  They’re about to expand their stadium whilst still winning trophies too.  It’s impressive what they’ve done.

It is impressive, no doubt - and they actually won the feckin league!  But to challenge, consistently year in year out, takes an outlay we all think is there to, errr, lay out.  WITH Grealish we needed to go nuts to get into 'the club'. Without him we need to spend even more than before.  So if we are going into this season without buying a top quality midfielder or two, I will reserve my judgement as to just how ambitious we actually are.  I know some on here will think that overly harsh, but it is the way I feel.

I sometimes think some fans are just a bit uncomfortable with the Villa breaking out of our current mould as an also ran. 

 
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Post by: fredm on August 21, 2021, 11:05:50 AM
Put a good solid defensive player in midfield which would release McGinn so he could play with more freedom especially in attack and the whole manner of performance from the team would move up a notch.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 11:06:01 AM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2021, 11:18:20 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.


Also, let's nor forget they built up the expectation by stating where they want us to be. They stated Europe, to get there we need to continuously improve and to improve we need to spend money. We're grateful but we didn't ask them to do it and we certainly did set the bench mark of Europe, they did that.

We didn't ask them to put the money in? Christ, you're turning into one of those fans you see on Arsenal TV.



Hardly. It's a fact. Unless you sent the email on our behalf
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Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 11:22:04 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.


Also, let's nor forget they built up the expectation by stating where they want us to be. They stated Europe, to get there we need to continuously improve and to improve we need to spend money. We're grateful but we didn't ask them to do it and we certainly did set the bench mark of Europe, they did that.

We didn't ask them to put the money in? Christ, you're turning into one of those fans you see on Arsenal TV.



Hardly. It's a fact. Unless you sent the email on our behalf

Well, at least your grateful. That's a start I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2021, 11:26:17 AM
Some people need to get some perspective. Three years ago we were on the brink of extinction.

God help us if we lose today.

And eight months ago we were on the brink of the Champions League. With decent investment we could have competed at that level again, but seem to have given up.


Also, let's nor forget they built up the expectation by stating where they want us to be. They stated Europe, to get there we need to continuously improve and to improve we need to spend money. We're grateful but we didn't ask them to do it and we certainly did set the bench mark of Europe, they did that.

We didn't ask them to put the money in? Christ, you're turning into one of those fans you see on Arsenal TV.



Hardly. It's a fact. Unless you sent the email on our behalf

Well, at least your grateful. That's a start I suppose.



Very much so. They saved us from going out of business but I do believe if it wasn't them if would have been someone else. Maybe somebody better maybe somebody worse we will never know. All I am saying is don't sell us dreams of champions league then after getting so far down the road sell the best player and then have a more than healthy profitable window (stand to be corrected). Club run like that don't achieve a thing, or rarely do and its all very similar to how we've been run over the last 25 years
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 21, 2021, 11:27:06 AM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 

I don’t think people are using their league win as an example, more how they sign players often ahead of when they’re needed.  They’ve sold Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, Chillwell over the years and arguably still grown as a club.  They’re about to expand their stadium whilst still winning trophies too.  It’s impressive what they’ve done.

It is impressive, no doubt - and they actually won the feckin league!  But to challenge, consistently year in year out, takes an outlay we all think is there to, errr, lay out.  WITH Grealish we needed to go nuts to get into 'the club'. Without him we need to spend even more than before.  So if we are going into this season without buying a top quality midfielder or two, I will reserve my judgement as to just how ambitious we actually are.  I know some on here will think that overly harsh, but it is the way I feel.

I sometimes think some fans are just a bit uncomfortable with the Villa breaking out of our current mould as an also ran. 

 

I don’t think those of us who think a bit of caution is a good idea don’t want to see us challenging at the top. It’s just that we’ve seen what pissing fortunes up against the wall can lead to over the last ten years, and so maybe we are a bit more circumspect about wanting everything right now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 21, 2021, 11:30:13 AM
No-one is ungrateful to NSWE, Christ knows where we'd be without them. The question now is simply about the team and the aims. I don't think you need to follow the example of the yabba-dabba-downer in thinking of relegation without further investment, but as things stand the team does look quite imbalanced, albeit certainly deeper than last season. If we do want to progress up the table, either more players are needed through the door or the ones already here will have to show some qualities we haven't seen yet (of these Doug seems to me the most likely) - or the manager will have to get more out of them, via coaching, tactics or both. I think that's all we're saying.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 11:32:22 AM
I think we should always be grateful to the owners for where they've bought us to this point but football is a lot different to a lot of businesses and industries in that you're dealing with a lot of peoples hopes and ambitions for what is the main or sometimes only hobby in life, it's a big deal to them to see success. If you're posturing and suggesting one thing in words and we're seeing another thing in actuality it's going to piss people off and you should watch what message you're giving if you're not going to follow through on it. Just at this moment in time, for the first time it's looking a bit like that. The message should be something like 'we intend to get the club back to the premier league and through a combination of good management and use of resources we will take the club as far as possible thereafter'. Fans will be happy enough with that and it keeps expectations more in check.
I'm still clinging onto the possiblility that what they've been saying is genuine and the vibe coming from the club this week/weekend is a bluff with more strengthening on the way, but every time Smith has said in the past that 'i'm happy with the squad' we've finished for that window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2021, 11:37:30 AM
I think we should always be grateful to the owners for where they've bought us to this point but football is a lot different to a lot of businesses and industries in that you're dealing with a lot of peoples hopes and ambitions for what is the main or sometimes only hobby in life, it's a big deal to them to see success. If you're posturing and suggesting one thing in words and we're seeing another thing in actuality it's going to piss people off and you should watch what message you're giving if you're not going to follow through on it. Just at this moment in time, for the first time it's looking a bit like that. The message should be something like 'we intend to get the club back to the premier league and through a combination of good management and use of resources we will take the club as far as possible thereafter'. Fans will be happy enough with that and it keeps expectations more in check.
I'm still clinging onto the possiblility that what they've been saying is genuine and the vibe coming from the club this week/weekend is a bluff and more strengthening is on the way, but every time Smith has said in the past that 'i'm happy with the squad' we've finished for that window.



This
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2021, 11:40:31 AM
Someone else said this but one thing we don't want to be doing is adding 5-6 players every transfer window either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
Someone else said this but one thing we don't want to be doing is adding 5-6 players every transfer window either.
we will have to do that until we've got 20 players capable of performing at a very good level - we've not even got 10 at the moment that do it consistently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 11:45:25 AM
Someone else said this but one thing we don't want to be doing is adding 5-6 players every transfer window either.


Aye. MON syndrome. Forget about the 1st team but gives us a CL sized squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 11:48:47 AM
In theory, that makes sense of course but the first summer we needed a new squad for the two reasons that we got promoted to a much tougher league and that many players were out of contract and needed to be replaced, the second summer we'd just escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth and they needed to protect their investment by making big improvements. This summer we've offloaded 2 goalkeepers, 3 defenders, sent a player back from loan and sold our best player, so you would imagine one keeper and 5 outfield players would not be unreasonable again. At some point, yes, a couple of additions should be enough just to freshen it up especially if the squad is full of young talented players but this summer is not that point.
You can't go around telling everyone you're ambition is to be in the champions league, but even though we're still miles off it we're only going to add a few new players to the squad, it doesn't add up, especially when you've got loads still going out of the squad from our championship side and our first round of PL signings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 21, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
It's true that too much influx can cause disjointedness and undermine team cohesion, even if everyone is a pro and nobody is a bellend. However, I think I'd rather have one more player take their time to get up to speed but actually get there, rather than stick with someone we know to be not up to it like Nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rooboy316 on August 21, 2021, 11:50:53 AM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 

I don’t think people are using their league win as an example, more how they sign players often ahead of when they’re needed.  They’ve sold Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, Chillwell over the years and arguably still grown as a club.  They’re about to expand their stadium whilst still winning trophies too.  It’s impressive what they’ve done.

They’ve bought phenomenally well, which is another thing people underestimate the difficulty of. Otherwise there’d be many more clubs following that ‘model’ and getting into Europe.

Of course it’s a bit chicken and egg in terms of them buying well because they have European football to attract players with.

Not saying we can’t emulate it - it is the ideal, sustainable model. Just bloody difficult to pull off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 11:53:45 AM
Don't get me wrong I'd like a DM. Even a CM, but both is just not gonna happen imo. I just can't see us spending another 60+m on players this summer. 25-30m tops, possibly a DM on loan to buy is how I see it, IF Smith thinks its a major problem. I don't think he does.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL and keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
I'm not really sure what it is, money or lack of ideas on who to buy, or a genuine feeling from the manager that we're fine. Either way, i doubt it'll happen as well. It doesn't necesssarily need a fortune throwing at it, just a plan on how to build a good team although we know money is usually the best way these days. At the moment we're not there and it looks unlikely we will be on 1/9.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 12:01:51 PM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL ans keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.

Wasn't that due to financial circumstances rather than them not wanting to spend? When we got up with a load of loans, old men and deadwood they put their hand in their pocket to give a chance of staying up, which is all you can ask really. There's not a promoted team who've ever had that backing since City.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 12:04:42 PM
There is an argument to say that the extra money from the PL and the extra value added to the club will have compensated some of that but yes, a lot of owners don't bother. Think of the poor old Albion :-)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL ans keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.

Wasn't that due to financial circumstances rather than them not wanting to spend? When we got up with a load of loans, old men and deadwood they put their hand in their pocket to give a chance of staying up, which is all you can ask really. There's not a promoted team who've ever had that backing since City.

Whatever the circumstances, we seem to have established that the vast majority of spend wasn’t on getting us to the PL. Keeping us there, about half. And nothing spent yet on improving us from 11th.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 12:18:19 PM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL ans keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.

Wasn't that due to financial circumstances rather than them not wanting to spend? When we got up with a load of loans, old men and deadwood they put their hand in their pocket to give a chance of staying up, which is all you can ask really. There's not a promoted team who've ever had that backing since City.

Whatever the circumstances, we seem to have established that the vast majority of spend wasn’t on getting us to the PL. Keeping us there, about half. And nothing spent yet on improving us from 11th.

Whatever way you look at it it's about 65m net per season since they arrived by my admittedly rough calculations. Seeing they haven't got CL revenue, have sold basically 1 player worth anything since they arrived, and don't look likely to spend 300m or be able to attract the players that could overtake Chelsea, City, Liverpool, ManU, what do you want them to do that makes them ambitious enough for you. Another 60m this summer?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 21, 2021, 12:46:54 PM
NsWE know what they are doing.  They willl know that they can’t promise the world and not deliver - but likewise this is a marathon and not a sprint. 
We don’t know how ready the likes of JBP and Chuck are - that could be like two new signings. 
If they don’t bring anyone more in it’s because on weighing up the pros and cons they decided it best not too.  It that proves to be wrong - then it will be addressed
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 21, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
People are quite happy to give City and Chelsea and their like infinite grief for signing all the talent, having bloated squads where palyers of talent won't get enough game time and throwing loads of money at a problem rather than trying to develop their own talent.  When it comes to Villa though their answer is to spaff another £100mill on two players who may not be the right fit and will definetly encumber the development of young british players from the academy.  It seems as if you CAN have youyr cake and eat it, but only if you don't mind being a two faced lard ass.

edited for frustrated spelling
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Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2021, 01:00:11 PM
Cake and lard...gross...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 01:05:57 PM
Someone else said this but one thing we don't want to be doing is adding 5-6 players every transfer window either.

I've been saying that for ages and it's why I'm not bothered about adding an attacking midfielder as some think we need. I think we have plenty of options in the front 3/4 that need game time to settle in and adding another will just make that harder.

DM is different, we haven't got anyone trying to settle in to the squad there (maybe Chuk but we seem to bring him on as more of a 10 when he plays) but instead we have lots of players who are established in the squad and a gap that pretty clearly needs filling.

More worrying for me has been the mix of links we've seen, JWP and Winks suggest a very different direction than Sarr, Anguissa or Doucoure. The latter fill the gap in the squad for a physical aggressive DM who replace Nakamba but the other 2, regardless of what we think of them as players, suggest we're more interested in 2/3 8s rather than a specific DM. I don't like that the thinking seems to be muddled in what we're going for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 01:06:13 PM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL ans keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.

Wasn't that due to financial circumstances rather than them not wanting to spend? When we got up with a load of loans, old men and deadwood they put their hand in their pocket to give a chance of staying up, which is all you can ask really. There's not a promoted team who've ever had that backing since City.

Whatever the circumstances, we seem to have established that the vast majority of spend wasn’t on getting us to the PL. Keeping us there, about half. And nothing spent yet on improving us from 11th.

Whatever way you look at it it's about 65m net per season since they arrived by my admittedly rough calculations. Seeing they haven't got CL revenue, have sold basically 1 player worth anything since they arrived, and don't look likely to spend 300m or be able to attract the players that could overtake Chelsea, City, Liverpool, ManU, what do you want them to do that makes them ambitious enough for you. Another 60m this summer?

They said Champions League. I want them to do what it takes. Having a couple of top midfielders would help massively. How much they’d cost I don’t know but yeah, I should think they could improve on the present first team era for £50/60m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2021, 01:07:07 PM
What’s in it for the manager to publicly declare our transfer plans? He’s hardly going to tell us we need certain players or types of players. And as cold as football business can be has to go back and deal with the human side of existing players who have been bought and want to play. There is also squad size issues, so if we sell a player a spot comes available. And finally it’s not the end of the window yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 21, 2021, 01:18:41 PM
Can only see 1 player coming in, maybe. Think you're kidding yourselves thinking two will come in. Doesn't really matter about the whole FFP thing, you either run a club as a viable concern or you go the whole ManCity hog and maybe it blows up in your face like Lerner. I've not seen any indication NSWE are going to run us like  that.  The vast majority of the spend was getting us in the PL and keeping us there.

How much did we spend to get promoted?


Doesn't matter. Overall we're about 200m down including this summer I think. If someone has the grand total i'd be interested but it's not small change by any measure.

Well, you specified that we spent the vast majority getting us to the PL ans keeping us there. I couldn’t remember us spending a lot to get there as you said but cool then, it doesn’t matter.

Wasn't that due to financial circumstances rather than them not wanting to spend? When we got up with a load of loans, old men and deadwood they put their hand in their pocket to give a chance of staying up, which is all you can ask really. There's not a promoted team who've ever had that backing since City.

Whatever the circumstances, we seem to have established that the vast majority of spend wasn’t on getting us to the PL. Keeping us there, about half. And nothing spent yet on improving us from 11th.

Whatever way you look at it it's about 65m net per season since they arrived by my admittedly rough calculations. Seeing they haven't got CL revenue, have sold basically 1 player worth anything since they arrived, and don't look likely to spend 300m or be able to attract the players that could overtake Chelsea, City, Liverpool, ManU, what do you want them to do that makes them ambitious enough for you. Another 60m this summer?

They said Champions League. I want them to do what it takes. Having a couple of top midfielders would help massively. How much they’d cost I don’t know but yeah, I should think they could improve on the present first team era for £50/60m.


That's fair enough I guess. I'm not sure if that's realistic but who knows? For what its worth I think you could get a very good DM in the 20m bracket from abroad which you'd hope they'd stretch too if the deal presented itself
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 01:42:27 PM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because the whole universe for some fans resolves around J*** G***LISH.

Found the last few weeks a bit embarrasing personally. Yes he meant a lot to us but it's not like we're left with Lambert standard squad (although performances like first half last week don't help).

One thing I'm certain of though....we will never achieve our full potential as a club again while we constantly hero worship one player constantly. Was same when Milner and Benteke left and we couldn't recover.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 01:49:40 PM
No-one is ungrateful to NSWE, Christ knows where we'd be without them. The question now is simply about the team and the aims. I don't think you need to follow the example of the yabba-dabba-downer in thinking of relegation without further investment, but as things stand the team does look quite imbalanced, albeit certainly deeper than last season. If we do want to progress up the table, either more players are needed through the door or the ones already here will have to show some qualities we haven't seen yet (of these Doug seems to me the most likely) - or the manager will have to get more out of them, via coaching, tactics or both. I think that's all we're saying.

It's simply up to the manager to work it out.

If we count you know who as a pure left winger then we had an excellent start to last season and indeed were pretty good up to Jan with the exact central midfield options we have now.

Said it the other day but you don't even need to put a Tuchel or Guardiola in charge to get results with this squad.

If Brendan Rodgers was in charge he'd probably be playing a midfield diamond to get in Ollie and Ings like he did at Leicester second half of last season. With Nuno and Benitez we wouldn't be as good to watch but we'd be solid and hard to break down. With our present squad 3-5-2 wouldn't be a bit fit either and Nuno managed to beat Man. City last week with that despite Spurs key player bascially being on strike and them being unbalanced like us in some areas.

Does Dean really have it in him to think outside the box a bit more this season? Or will it be 4-3-3 and crossing fingers tactics? I think deep down that's what's unnerving us a bit, he's done very well for us but won't quite be good enough to step up and replicate some of those managers who've won cups or get their teams deep into european competition.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because the whole universe for some fans resolves around J*** G***LISH.

Found the last few weeks a bit embarrasing personally. Yes he meant a lot to us but it's not like we're left with Lambert standard squad (although performances like first half last week don't help).

One thing I'm certain of though....we will never achieve our full potential as a club again while we constantly hero worship one player constantly. Was same when Milner and Benteke left and we couldn't recover.

Don’t see that having any effect whatsoever. If we had a squad of top players, what would it matter if we worship one of them a bit more than the others?

Did we think a lot more of Milner than Carew or, for some, Gabby, Barry, Young, Lauraen?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 21, 2021, 01:54:21 PM
Whoever in training is dishing out "knocks" to our players that keeps them out for weeks, maybe they are the DM we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 01:55:03 PM
I've read some posters quoting Leicester as an example of how it should be done - but they were a completely anomaly.  An utterly one-off event in the modern game.  Trying to 'do a Leicester' isn't a plan when you have mega bucks owners who keep saying that our ambition is CL football. 

We need to spend.  Massively. More than the money we've spent already. 

I don’t think people are using their league win as an example, more how they sign players often ahead of when they’re needed.  They’ve sold Maguire, Kante, Mahrez, Chillwell over the years and arguably still grown as a club.  They’re about to expand their stadium whilst still winning trophies too.  It’s impressive what they’ve done.

They’ve bought phenomenally well, which is another thing people underestimate the difficulty of. Otherwise there’d be many more clubs following that ‘model’ and getting into Europe.

Of course it’s a bit chicken and egg in terms of them buying well because they have European football to attract players with.

Not saying we can’t emulate it - it is the ideal, sustainable model. Just bloody difficult to pull off.

Not always. They signed Youri Tielemans on loan in Jan 2019 when they had Claude Puel as manager and were about 13th in the league.

That's why my favourite signing so far is Leon Bailey. Someone proven in a top league and european competition and to get close to top 6 in coming seasons we're going to need another 2-3 of that standard starting with the DM.

Bit worrying though if Lange really really pushed the management for that signing while DS would've instead liked Dwight McNeill but that's all speculation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 01:59:53 PM
Defensive midfielder AND attacking midfielder, please. Even if we sign one or the other we have still had a poor transfer window.

Why would it have been a poor transfer window if we sign another midfielder?

Because the whole universe for some fans resolves around J*** G***LISH.

Found the last few weeks a bit embarrasing personally. Yes he meant a lot to us but it's not like we're left with Lambert standard squad (although performances like first half last week don't help).

One thing I'm certain of though....we will never achieve our full potential as a club again while we constantly hero worship one player constantly. Was same when Milner and Benteke left and we couldn't recover.

Don’t see that having any effect whatsoever. If we had a squad of top players, what would it matter if we worship one of them a bit more than the others?

Did we think a lot more of Milner than Carew or, for some, Gabby, Barry, Young, Lauraen?

We'll see today won't we?

Early goal and no problem, lots of positive chants (and a few Anti Grealish ones).

However 0-0 for long periods or even 1-0 down and I think they'll be lots of frustration coming from the stands particularly as it will be first game for many in 18 months and no Grealish on the pitch will be a very odd sight for many particularly if we're struggling to dominate.

I'm just saying we have many other good players in our squad who are proven for us or at international level for good countries so we need to get behind them and we can still achieve things this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 21, 2021, 02:06:34 PM

Bit worrying though if Lange really really pushed the management for that signing while DS would've instead liked Dwight McNeill but that's all speculation.

Oof, I was hoping that Smith was not so "meat and two veg", but this does couple with the story that he was also the one that went for Drinkwater. Keep him away from the scouting/recruiting team in that case.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 21, 2021, 02:19:49 PM
Latest link is to Abdou Harroui from Sparta Rotterdam acording to some Italian news site that I had never heard of called Tutto Mercato.

Midfielder nearly out of contract available for £3-4M apparently. Anyone here watch any Dutch footy that knows if he is any good?
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Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 02:45:23 PM
Latest link is to Abdou Harroui from Sparta Rotterdam acording to some Italian news site that I had never heard of called Tutto Mercato.

Midfielder nearly out of contract available for £3-4M apparently. Anyone here watch any Dutch footy that knows if he is any good?

Never seen him but his youtube highlights make him look like the sort of player we need, wins the ball and then either drives forward himself or looks to get it to the forwards quickly, good age, very good price if the numbers you've given are correct and from a small enough club/league that he wouldn't come in wanting to start every game, I'd be ok with this. Has a decent record of goals and assists as well for a fairly defensive player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2021, 05:11:00 PM
Suggestion is that it's a done deal. Tuanzebe coming on to play DM for the last few minutes highlights the need for someone to come in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 05:13:50 PM
Suggestion is that it's a done deal. Tuanzebe coming on to play DM for the last few minutes highlights the need for someone to come in.

Yep, there's a few tweets about saying it's done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 21, 2021, 05:14:59 PM
Never heard of him but at that price, it could be a no-brainer compared to the £30-£40m you would pay for an established player in that role.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2021, 05:16:55 PM
23 years old, 5’11” driving midfield player. Nice touch and loves to take a pop at goal. Played 6 times for the Dutch U23 side
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2021, 06:08:15 PM
Never heard of him but at that price, it could be a no-brainer compared to the £30-£40m you would pay for an established player in that role.

Think we do need to start bringing in £30m - £40m players in positions we need if we are going to progress.  Obviously if you can get that kind of quality for a fraction of that price then that would be ideal, but that kind of money in the past has got us the likes of Carlos Sanchez and Karim El Ahmadi.  I think that if we could get a quality defensive midfielder in, the squad will be OK for this season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 06:27:17 PM
Never heard of him but at that price, it could be a no-brainer compared to the £30-£40m you would pay for an established player in that role.

Think we do need to start bringing in £30m - £40m players in positions we need if we are going to progress.  Obviously if you can get that kind of quality for a fraction of that price then that would be ideal, but that kind of money in the past has got us the likes of Carlos Sanchez and Karim El Ahmadi.  I think that if we could get a quality defensive midfielder in, the squad will be OK for this season. 

That sort of money has also seen us sign John McGinn and saw Norwich sign Buendia. Getting players that can make an impact for low fees is the main point of having a big scouting network, either by getting them in early (Bogarde for example) or getting them cheap just before they become recognised as top class.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 21, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Dials a Brighton number

Villa: I’d like one Bissouma to go please
Brighton: Get knotted
Villa: We’ll pay you £50m
Brighton: Do you want relish on your Bissouma?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2021, 06:31:11 PM
Hopefully he's better than El Ahamadi who seemed to boss the Dutch league before and after playing for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2021, 06:32:00 PM
What level do Sparta Rotterdam play at? I’ve never heard of them let alone Abdou Harroui.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 21, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
That'll be the scouting department then, you know the bunch of useless twunts who don't do anything for their pay cheques?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 06:36:15 PM
Never heard of him but at that price, it could be a no-brainer compared to the £30-£40m you would pay for an established player in that role.

Think we do need to start bringing in £30m - £40m players in positions we need if we are going to progress.  Obviously if you can get that kind of quality for a fraction of that price then that would be ideal, but that kind of money in the past has got us the likes of Carlos Sanchez and Karim El Ahmadi.  I think that if we could get a quality defensive midfielder in, the squad will be OK for this season. 

That sort of money has also seen us sign John McGinn and saw Norwich sign Buendia. Getting players that can make an impact for low fees is the main point of having a big scouting network, either by getting them in early (Bogarde for example) or getting them cheap just before they become recognised as top class.

Yep, as I say I couldn’t give a toss how much they cost, if they’re what we need and have been well researched it’s worth a go. His price is low because he’s near the end of his contract I believe?

I have just watched his YouTube vids and not seen him put one tackle in on any of them :-)
He looks a bit like McGinn if anything, which is no mean feat and he looks decent enough but possibly not a DM again. Maybe we’ve got a couple coming in with Hourahane finding a new home and one of the youngsters being loaned. Or maybe not !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on August 21, 2021, 06:42:20 PM
Dials a Brighton number

Villa: I’d like one Bissouma to go please
Brighton: Get knotted
Villa: We’ll pay you £50m
Brighton: Do you want relish on your Bissouma?

He's playing really well tonight isn't he?  I'd love to see him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 21, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
Apparently he signed for Brighton for an undisclosed fee, I can’t imagine it being £30-£40m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 21, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
Surely after bringing Axel on as a DM today, everybody at the club is aware of the need for a proper DM?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2021, 07:23:10 PM
Never heard of him but at that price, it could be a no-brainer compared to the £30-£40m you would pay for an established player in that role.

Think we do need to start bringing in £30m - £40m players in positions we need if we are going to progress.  Obviously if you can get that kind of quality for a fraction of that price then that would be ideal, but that kind of money in the past has got us the likes of Carlos Sanchez and Karim El Ahmadi.  I think that if we could get a quality defensive midfielder in, the squad will be OK for this season. 

That sort of money has also seen us sign John McGinn and saw Norwich sign Buendia. Getting players that can make an impact for low fees is the main point of having a big scouting network, either by getting them in early (Bogarde for example) or getting them cheap just before they become recognised as top class.

Agree Paul, but just feel we need an 'off the shelf' option for the defensive midfielder spot. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 21, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
On the point of lashing out and buying whatever is available, we could have had Wilson instead of Ings if we had gone a season early...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
"We're stockpiling midfielders"

*Brings on a central defender in place of them*

I hope that was a not-so-subtle nudge to the recruitment team.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 21, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
"We're stockpiling midfielders"

*Brings on a central defender in place of them*

I hope that was a not-so-subtle nudge to the recruitment team.
I can see us selling Nakamba ,replacing him  with Harroui and a tidy profit .Then we'll buy big.
Coupled with a home win ,Ramsey's performance,youngsters on the bench and the u18s 10-0  v a normally good Narrich,it's looking very promising.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 21, 2021, 09:01:55 PM
Maybe the defensive mids who we’ve identified as a good fit just aren’t available to us right now. And the ones who are, just aren’t right for what we need.

I guess if this is the case we’re hopefully beyond the panic purchase years and will change the systems and buy when the right players are available. It’s frustrating but it could be better than just buying for the sake of it.

This might be a post- win euphoria thought.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 09:43:43 PM
Maybe the defensive mids who we’ve identified as a good fit just aren’t available to us right now. And the ones who are, just aren’t right for what we need.

I guess if this is the case we’re hopefully beyond the panic purchase years and will change the systems and buy when the right players are available. It’s frustrating but it could be better than just buying for the sake of it.

This might be a post- win euphoria thought.

That's a fair point, If you're not sure on players that are in the £30-40m range then it's not worth the risk to bring them in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2021, 10:48:25 PM
Suggestion is that it's a done deal. Tuanzebe coming on to play DM for the last few minutes highlights the need for someone to come in.

Yep, there's a few tweets about saying it's done.

And just like that apparently he's now joining Forest
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2021, 11:01:22 PM
Suggestion is that it's a done deal. Tuanzebe coming on to play DM for the last few minutes highlights the need for someone to come in.

Yep, there's a few tweets about saying it's done.

And just like that apparently he's now joining Forest

That extra European Cup swung it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2021, 11:12:53 PM
Suggestion is that it's a done deal. Tuanzebe coming on to play DM for the last few minutes highlights the need for someone to come in.

Yep, there's a few tweets about saying it's done.

And just like that apparently he's now joining Forest

How strange.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 21, 2021, 11:51:08 PM
We must be looking for one. One of the first players we put a bid in for was Phillips at Leeds so it seems obvious the type of player we think we need
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 22, 2021, 07:50:56 AM
We must be looking for one. One of the first players we put a bid in for was Phillips at Leeds so it seems obvious the type of player we think we need

When the bid was unsuccessful, we went and bought Luiz & on the evidence after the restart he's more than capable. Admittedly there's inconsistency to his game but he's shown he can do it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Vegas on August 22, 2021, 08:22:06 AM
On the point of lashing out and buying whatever is available, we could have had Wilson instead of Ings if we had gone a season early...

From memory, we did try, didn’t we? Thought we matched Newcastle’s bid but the players chose them?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 22, 2021, 09:06:06 AM
On the point of lashing out and buying whatever is available, we could have had Wilson instead of Ings if we had gone a season early...

From memory, we did try, didn’t we? Thought we matched Newcastle’s bid but the players chose them?

That's how I remember it
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 22, 2021, 09:24:31 AM
For me bissouma is the player we need. The guy is absolute quality and a beast in the middld of the park. Id happily pay 30-40m for him. He would be well worth it
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2021, 09:29:08 AM
Does any one still think that Luiz is a defensive midfielder.
Crazy if we don’t put a specialist in that position. Bissouma looks the part.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2021, 09:37:43 AM
Every pundit speaks highly of Bissouma.  I reckon the White cash willed they do not need to sell so unlikely to happen this window in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2021, 10:28:13 AM
For me bissouma is the player we need. The guy is absolute quality and a beast in the middld of the park. Id happily pay 30-40m for him. He would be well worth it

I believe he’d cost another 10 on top of this, plus he is more than good enough for the champions league teams. It would be a superb signing that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2021, 10:28:41 AM
they would be stupid to sell unless its for a Grealish type number. Isn't the Rotterdam geezer actually going to forest?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 22, 2021, 10:29:59 AM
What level do Sparta Rotterdam play at? I’ve never heard of them let alone Abdou Harroui.

Ere Divisie, top flight. Finished about 8th last season
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 22, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I see Bayern were offering spurs Tolisso in a swapdeal for Ndombele. Probably 20m max.  Just saying..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
I see Bayern were offering spurs Tolisso in a swapdeal for Ndombele. Probably 20m max.  Just saying..

I mean...yeah? But also...Ndombele? To Bayern? Bayern Munich? Strange one.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 22, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
well he was quite highly rated till Mourinho ruined him I think, but yeah.....still if Bayern wanted to flog Tolisso as a makeweight then i'm sure we can help them out and offer them a bit more. Just turned 27, solve our problems for 5 years
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Post by: Monty on August 22, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
The pull of the Conferenza Lega Europea might be too much to resist though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 22, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
The pull of the Conferenza Lega Europea might be too much to resist though.

All clear for us. Spurs weren't interested apparently (!!!))
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FatSam on August 22, 2021, 11:50:53 AM
Tolisso is one who I thought might be gettable. He would be a slightly less extreme version of a Cambiasso to Leicester type signing. The other one who might be worth trying for is Weston McKennie from Juve.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 22, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
See no reason why Axel Tuanzebe should not make the defensive midfield position his own.

Can't believe he came to Villa to be a third/fourth choice centre-back or right-back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: FatSam on August 22, 2021, 01:11:43 PM
See no reason why Axel Tuanzebe should not make the defensive midfield position his own.

Can't believe he came to Villa to be a third/fourth choice centre-back or right-back.
If that is the case, I hope we have agreed a fee to sign him permanently, because there is no point developing him to cover our problem position, and then losing him after a season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 22, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
What level do Sparta Rotterdam play at? I’ve never heard of them let alone Abdou Harroui.

Ere Divisie, top flight. Finished about 8th last season

Which outside of Ajax and Feyenoord equates to League 1.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2021, 02:07:52 PM
We must be looking for one. One of the first players we put a bid in for was Phillips at Leeds so it seems obvious the type of player we think we need

I do wonder if we are really.  The management team might see Douglas Luiz, Nakamba and even Tuanzebe as defensive midfield options with McGinn, Sanson and Ramsey as options to play alongside them.  Those three along with Bailey and Buendia can play in the 'number 10' role, so I guess it is possible that they might feel there are enough options there. 

I personally feel that there are still question marks alongside a lot of those options above and a quality addition is still required. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2021, 02:48:46 PM
Wonder if Thiago Mendes might be worth a look.

Was really good for Lille for a few seasons but was on the bench for Lyon today so given we did business with them last summer for Traore then he perhaps might be offered around.

Bielsa signed him for Lille so he might be interested aswell.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2021, 03:22:50 PM
Wonder if Thiago Mendes might be worth a look.

Was really good for Lille for a few seasons but was on the bench for Lyon today so given we did business with them last summer for Traore then he perhaps might be offered around.

Bielsa signed him for Lille so he might be interested aswell.

Tiago Mendes is on Lyon's transfer list and they want close to €3m for him. Flamengo were interested but can't afford him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 22, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
For me bissouma is the player we need. The guy is absolute quality and a beast in the middld of the park. Id happily pay 30-40m for him. He would be well worth it

I believe he’d cost another 10 on top of this, plus he is more than good enough for the champions league teams. It would be a superb signing that’s for sure.

He would be well worth it in my view. He is a step above nakamba
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2021, 03:51:53 PM
Sarr leaving Metz for Spurs. £10m looks like it's happening. Loaning him back for rest of season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
For me bissouma is the player we need. The guy is absolute quality and a beast in the middld of the park. Id happily pay 30-40m for him. He would be well worth it

I believe he’d cost another 10 on top of this, plus he is more than good enough for the champions league teams. It would be a superb signing that’s for sure.

He would be well worth it in my view. He is a step above nakamba

At 24 he'd be a long term investment well worth the fee and a five year contract. The type of player we won't be looking to replace next season or the season after assuming we're serious about playing European football. Whether he'd want to join us right now is another matter but you don't know until you ask.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SaddVillan on August 22, 2021, 06:50:11 PM

Wonder how Emile Smith-Rowe is feeling tonight as he tries to find an escape clause in his 5yr contract whilst counting his £40k a week?

Lets hope it distracts him from looking at the league table.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2021, 07:40:02 PM
I think he is on much closer to £150k a week after the interest from Villa, and I would imagine they will still finish above us come the end of the season, they have signed some decent players that are not playing yet
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
For me bissouma is the player we need. The guy is absolute quality and a beast in the middld of the park. Id happily pay 30-40m for him. He would be well worth it

I believe he’d cost another 10 on top of this, plus he is more than good enough for the champions league teams. It would be a superb signing that’s for sure.

He would be well worth it in my view. He is a step above nakamba

At 24 he'd be a long term investment well worth the fee and a five year contract. The type of player we won't be looking to replace next season or the season after assuming we're serious about playing European football. Whether he'd want to join us right now is another matter but you don't know until you ask.

Bissouma would be an unbelievably good signing. I reckon it would be £50 plus add ons though, looking at what they held out for re Ben White, and are they really going to let him go this close to the end of the window. Worth the money though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2021, 07:43:34 PM
Are we even linked with him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2021, 07:46:58 PM
Are we even linked with him?

Links don't really mean a lot. We was'nt linked with Ings at all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 07:47:50 PM
I think he is on much closer to £150k a week after the interest from Villa, and I would imagine they will still finish above us come the end of the season, they have signed some decent players that are not playing yet

I think the players we have to come back in are better than theirs and they look a fucking mess right now, I doubt Arteta will make it to Christmas and if they get his replacement wrong I can see them finishing bottom half.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2021, 08:33:19 PM
Yes agree with Paul. While Arteta remains in charge there we should have a good chance of finishing above them, should've happened last season after all.

Would be amazed if he's in charge when we go there on Ftriday 22nd October. Just our luck if they somehow get a Conte in and it's his first home game. Arteta's record v us is of course 3 defeats from 3 and no goals scored.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2021, 08:34:48 PM
Are we even linked with him?

Links don't really mean a lot. We was'nt linked with Ings at all.

That's about the only major signing we've made in living memory that wasn't heavily speculated about before, I wouldn't treat that as the norm.

Young, Buendia and Bailey were talked about for weeks before we signed them, as I recall.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2021, 09:19:17 PM
Are we even linked with him?

Links don't really mean a lot. We was'nt linked with Ings at all.

That's about the only major signing we've made in living memory that wasn't heavily speculated about before, I wouldn't treat that as the norm.

Young, Buendia and Bailey were talked about for weeks before we signed them, as I recall.

I don't remmeber Young being mentioned that much before he signed. The other two weree though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 22, 2021, 10:53:23 PM
Are we even linked with him?

Links don't really mean a lot. We was'nt linked with Ings at all.

That's about the only major signing we've made in living memory that wasn't heavily speculated about before, I wouldn't treat that as the norm.

Young, Buendia and Bailey were talked about for weeks before we signed them, as I recall.

I think Darren Bent was another that was pretty out of the blue.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2021, 11:04:07 PM
Not if you were a GM, at the time. Pretty much the only genuine ITK we ever had on there!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 22, 2021, 11:04:13 PM
You seem to be forgetting that heady summer when Tonev, Helinius, Bacuna, Bowery et al arrived stealth.

Probably for good reason.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2021, 11:17:40 PM
Yes, it's probably easier to keep a transfer secret when a player is so obscure most of his own family haven't heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2021, 11:42:11 PM
I just don't see how he thinks flogging Grealish and using a chunk of the money to buy Ings, Bailey and Buendia addresses the fact that we are absolutely powder puff in midfield.

Coming out of this window having flogged an incredibly important and talented player to spend less than we bring in
I think if you add up those 3 will cost all of the £100M we got for Ratboy so we have not spent less than we bring in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2021, 12:11:31 AM
£25m, £25m and £33m, without the add ons that are not due until we achieve or the player does is £17m short of Ratboy. Even with add ons we are a couple of million in the black. And sold Engels for a fortune too (i may be exaggerating_)
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2021, 12:16:16 AM
The creative players we’ve got in are excellent. I think they’ll all be great for us and personally I think Bailey is an amazing get who is beyond our current level. But fully agree with paulie, and others, we need a quality midfield addition.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 23, 2021, 06:54:33 AM
Watched a bit of the Arsenal - Chelsea game yesterday - when you looked at the 9 Chelsea subs there wage bill alone must be worth between £1.5 - £2 million quid a week - unbelievable quality and depth in there squad

We need far better players if we are to push for a European place in the league, the current squad are not getting us in the Top 6

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Post by: sickbeggar on August 23, 2021, 07:12:24 AM
Watched a bit of the Arsenal - Chelsea game yesterday - when you looked at the 9 Chelsea subs there wage bill alone must be worth between £1.5 - £2 million quid a week - unbelievable quality and depth in there squad

We need far better players if we are to push for a European place in the league, the current squad are not getting us in the Top 6

Realistically we can't do that because we haven't got the revenue. I would hope we'd be looking at exclusively improving the 1st team with youth players and maybe a few hopeful punts for the reserves to cover us. If you can get a 1st XI upto that 5th/6th/7th standard then barring major injuries (3 months +) you have a chance. At the moment we could probably cope with a major injury to a striker so that area's covered now, Defence, its a bit sparse if any of the 1st team get crocked. And of course the midfield which could do with a new face or 2. But at this stage its going to be the 1st team that will/won't get us a European place, not the squad and that will depend on the injury list to a large extent.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2021, 07:17:38 AM
I'd rather a quality loan for DM or ACM than nothing.
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Post by: The Edge on August 23, 2021, 08:41:42 AM
Quote from: sid1964 link=topic=62019.msg402rea8813#msg4028813 date=1629698073
Watched a bit of the Arsenal - Chelsea game yesterday - when you looked at the 9 Chelsea subs there wage bill alone must be worth between £1.5 - £2 million quid a week - unbelievable quality and depth in there squad

We need far better players if we are to push for a European place in the league, the current squad are not getting us in the Top 6
It's all a bit doom and gloom on here this morning. We won 2_0 on Saturday without being really tested. Losing Snake2 was obviously a huge blow to our season but we've signed some quality too. We've got plenty to get excited by let's not forget that, the lads winning the FA youth Cup is massive imo, and there's still 8 days to go in this window. We are still heading in the right direction and top 10 is definitely achievable. Who knows with a bit of luck and a prevailing wind European football is getting ever closer. And I'm backing us to land a trophy this season. Keep the faith.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2021, 08:52:15 AM
I think we need to add players, but wouldn't be getting too upset over us not being as good as Chelsea. They look top three minimum, maybe even top one. On the other hand, Arsenal look nothing special. I saw reasons to be optimistic not depressed watching that game.
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Post by: TheMalandro on August 23, 2021, 09:25:02 AM
I think we need to add players, but wouldn't be getting too upset over us not being as good as Chelsea. They look top three minimum, maybe even top one. On the other hand, Arsenal look nothing special. I saw reasons to be optimistic not depressed watching that game.

Agree.

When you look at our squad, compared to the one that got promoted, it's a massive improvement.

I anticipate a similar season to the last, hopefully with us higher up the table. Top seven should be the aim.

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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2021, 09:38:32 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 23, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table
unless you bring in enough quality, Arsenal had Henry but they also had Viera Toure, Bergkamp etc.
Having the big star isn't the problem getting the others is. Without the big star it makes it even more difficult.
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Post by: Risso on August 23, 2021, 10:00:26 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table

I sort of get what you mean, but achieving it with a local lad who came up through the ranks is surely a lot less artificial than the Man City or Chelsea way.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 23, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
I think we are going to lose alot of games if we dont get a solid dm in the middle. The Brighton game for will be a perfect example of that as i can see bissouma running through ours
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 23, 2021, 10:40:13 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table

I sort of get what you mean, but achieving it with a local lad who came up through the ranks is surely a lot less artificial than the Man City or Chelsea way.

of course but its still built on nothing if its built around one player. Don't get me wrong, we have some very talented individual players but as far as how the team "ticked" it was all based on ratboy which is great if you can count on 35 games a season and his undying loyalty but we couldn't count on either. A team that is better balanced talent-wise overall has to be a better option long term even if it does drop a few notches down to start off with.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 23, 2021, 10:44:21 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table
unless you bring in enough quality, Arsenal had Henry but they also had Viera Toure, Bergkamp etc.
Having the big star isn't the problem getting the others is. Without the big star it makes it even more difficult.


aye, and that was Wenger era Arsenal with the pull to get them and the best young players, not Arteta's Arsenal. Roy Keane made the point yesterday about no top players being willing to go to Arsenal so they're going down the youngster or 2nd Tier player route which is dependant on your scouting system and how "potential" works out for you. In an ideal world you can do a Leicester, but no-one is going to give Arteta the same amount of leeway, because they're supposed to be this big club challenging. Unfortunately they are in the SKY 6 in name only now and should really be relegated from that group

We obviously have the ability to attract the likes of the best players from smaller/middling premiership sides and very good players from overseas like Bailey, which in reality is around about where we've always been in the last 40 years during our better periods before and after the Sky 4/5/6? appeared.  We need to exploit the foreign market better but the same sort of investment should get us to that "best of the rest" area even if it isn't as quick as some people would like
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2021, 10:44:51 AM
I think we are going to lose alot of games if we dont get a solid dm in the middle. The Brighton game for will be a perfect example of that as i can see bissouma running through ours
yep you can get away with it against Newcastle but plenty of teams will out play us in the central midfield area.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 23, 2021, 11:00:04 AM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table
unless you bring in enough quality, Arsenal had Henry but they also had Viera Toure, Bergkamp etc.
Having the big star isn't the problem getting the others is. Without the big star it makes it even more difficult.

So, not a one man team, then?  I think that was the point..?  ;)
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2021, 12:53:43 PM
If we had the new signings and somehow kept the Idiot, then Challenging top 6 was a real possibility.
Now we are on a slow but hopefull rise up the table.

That's how I see it really. The reality is finishing top6 with ratboy would have been artificial in a way because everything was set-up with him in mind from the style of play to formation and would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as he got injured or left. No getting away from it, but we were a bit of a 1 man team and those sort of teams tend not to threaten the top of the table
unless you bring in enough quality, Arsenal had Henry but they also had Viera Toure, Bergkamp etc.
Having the big star isn't the problem getting the others is. Without the big star it makes it even more difficult.

So, not a one man team, then?  I think that was the point..?  ;)
I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 23, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
It would be nice to get this really good holding midfielder in and for him to be a great captain, a real natural leader. I’m not sure we really have that currently.
I’d also like us to get a real nasty fucker of a midfielder that everyone in the opposition gives a wide berth to. Doesn’t have to be a great footballer but someone we can throw on during a game to kick people when the ref isn’t watching, that sort of thing. A Vinny Jones type springs to mind.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2021, 01:15:57 PM
A Vinny Jones type springs to mind.

Absolutely not this.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 23, 2021, 01:19:31 PM
oh i'd deffo like a "everyone hates him but us" type midfielder
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Post by: Risso on August 23, 2021, 01:21:18 PM
It would be nice to get this really good holding midfielder in and for him to be a great captain, a real natural leader. I’m not sure we really have that currently.
I’d also like us to get a real nasty fucker of a midfielder that everyone in the opposition gives a wide berth to. Doesn’t have to be a great footballer but someone we can throw on during a game to kick people when the ref isn’t watching, that sort of thing. A Vinny Jones type springs to mind.

Not sure that going back to a 1988 model is that good an idea. firstly, DMs have to actually be able to play football these days, and secondly, even if the ref isn't watching for sneaky kicks, VAR certainly is.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2021, 01:23:58 PM
It would be nice to get this really good holding midfielder in and for him to be a great captain, a real natural leader. I’m not sure we really have that currently.
I’d also like us to get a real nasty fucker of a midfielder that everyone in the opposition gives a wide berth to. Doesn’t have to be a great footballer but someone we can throw on during a game to kick people when the ref isn’t watching, that sort of thing. A Vinny Jones type springs to mind.

Not sure that going back to a 1988 model is that good an idea. firstly, DMs have to actually be able to play football these days, and secondly, even if the ref isn't watching for sneaky kicks, VAR certainly is.

Yeh I don't think you can grab another players bollocks and get away with it anymore.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 23, 2021, 02:10:19 PM
SB was saying we were verging on a one man team last season.  You then used Arsenal with Henry, Toure, Viera etc as an example of...not a one man team?  I didn't understand what you were trying to say.  If we had Grealish and 3 other world class players we'd not have been a one man team!

Anyway, Harroui is still at Sparta and an Italian rag is saying we were trying to get a deal done before last weekand...
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2021, 02:39:15 PM
SB was saying we were verging on a one man team last season.  You then used Arsenal with Henry, Toure, Viera etc as an example of...not a one man team?  I didn't understand what you were trying to say.  If we had Grealish and 3 other world class players we'd not have been a one man team!

Anyway, Harroui is still at Sparta and an Italian rag is saying we were trying to get a deal done before last weekand...
missed in translation, I was trying to make the point that having a world class player isn't a problem if you have a few others.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 23, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
It would be nice to get this really good holding midfielder in and for him to be a great captain, a real natural leader. I’m not sure we really have that currently.
I’d also like us to get a real nasty fucker of a midfielder that everyone in the opposition gives a wide berth to. Doesn’t have to be a great footballer but someone we can throw on during a game to kick people when the ref isn’t watching, that sort of thing. A Vinny Jones type springs to mind.

Not sure that going back to a 1988 model is that good an idea. firstly, DMs have to actually be able to play football these days, and secondly, even if the ref isn't watching for sneaky kicks, VAR certainly is.

I was talking about a good footballer DM plus a player like this but was only half serious about that part :-)
I did think afterwards that VAR would probably pick anything up as you say, but i certainly want the DM i mentioned with good leadership skills and it might not be a bad idea to have a bit of a bastard to make us less nice when required, doesn't do Burnley any harm. They've got half a team of hatchet men.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 23, 2021, 03:07:39 PM
Burnley are sh*t
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Post by: Damo70 on August 23, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
Burnley are sh*t

Given their resources they have really over achieved under Sean Dyche but you can't help suspecting a relegation season is never far from a possibility.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 23, 2021, 05:34:38 PM
You’re right. Just my immediate reaction to the suggestion we should be looking at the Burnley way of doing things.

Leicester and Spurs before they went cack again should be our blueprint.
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Post by: The Edge on August 23, 2021, 06:31:20 PM
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Burnley are sh*t

Given their resources they have really over achieved under Sean Dyche but you can't help suspecting a relegation season is never far from a possibility.
Heard a surprising stat today. Burnley have set the record for the longest run without one of their players being sent off. 97 games. Considering they have Ben fucking Mee in their team, amongst others, that's an astounding stat.
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Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 06:35:02 PM
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Burnley are sh*t

Given their resources they have really over achieved under Sean Dyche but you can't help suspecting a relegation season is never far from a possibility.
Heard a surprising stat today. Burnley have set the record for the longest run without one of their players beingsent off. 97 games. Considering they have Ben fucking Mee in their team, amongst others, that's an astounding stat.

Shows that their foul rotation is meticulously planned and executed, and also that if you're consistently aggressive you can lower the bar of what's acceptable.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 23, 2021, 06:58:41 PM
You’re right. Just my immediate reaction to the suggestion we should be looking at the Burnley way of doing things.

What the fuck are you babbling on about? One player in the squad with a nasty side is all I said, not do everything like Burnley. One Burnley type player, as it can be effective. Most of the best teams down the years have a bit of it in the team.
I’m amazed I’ve got to come back and explain it to you to be honest, fuck me.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 23, 2021, 07:05:09 PM
My optimism for a centre-mid addition is diminishing. Come on Villa get Bissouma in.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
Burnley are sh*t
true - and that proves even more so what a great job Dyche has done
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 23, 2021, 08:30:57 PM
You’re right. Just my immediate reaction to the suggestion we should be looking at the Burnley way of doing things.

What the fuck are you babbling on about? One player in the squad with a nasty side is all I said, not do everything like Burnley. One Burnley type player, as it can be effective. Most of the best teams down the years have a bit of it in the team.
I’m amazed I’ve got to come back and explain it to you to be honest, fuck me.

You ok hun?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 23, 2021, 08:36:49 PM
Through all the chatter from fans and the denial from Smith have there been any actual links withe Bissouna?
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
Through all the chatter from fans and the denial from Smith have there been any actual links withe Bissouna?

Pretty sure no.  But admittedly I rely on this thread for my research.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2021, 08:39:46 PM
Through all the chatter from fans and the denial from Smith have there been any actual links withe Bissouna?

Saw some talk about Liverpool a few weeks back but they have loads of midfielders now.

Think he'll stay at Brighton another season.
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Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
See Thierry Small has formally left Everton, wonder if he is another one who will be added to our younger ranks over next few days, fits the recruitment we have done over last twelve months & a young left back would be useful, maybe one for u23s until Jan then sent out on loan if it was to happen
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 23, 2021, 09:10:55 PM
Southampton apparently interested in Thierry Small
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 23, 2021, 09:18:56 PM
What about the two Roma players Tammy Abraham and Jordan Veretout. Do you think that these two players will ever come to the Villa?

Rome-based newspaper Corriere dello Sport's report on the game was headlined with "It’s already Abraham's Roma".

The newspaper named Abraham man of the match alongside Jordan Veretout, who scored twice in the win.

It was a similar story La Gazzetta dello Sport, who wrote "Abraham unleashed" and also rated Abraham as the best player on the pitch with Veretout.


https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tammy-abraham-roma-debut-reaction-chelsea-fc-b951852.html
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Post by: Londonvilla on August 23, 2021, 09:44:02 PM
Sheffield United reject Premier League bid for striker Daniel Jebbison

Everton clearly took note of Jebbison because 90min can reveal that the Toffees have submitted a bid that has been turned down by Sheffield United. Premier League rivals Aston Villa are also keen on trying to strike a permanent deal for him, sensing his enormous potential.

https://www.90min.com/posts/sheffield-united-reject-premier-league-bid-for-striker-daniel-jebbison-everton-aston-villa

Daniel Jebbison and Carney Chukwuemeka are mates (see Twitter link)

https://twitter.com/danjebbison/status/1395386855038853121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw




Everton 0-1 Sheffield United | Premier League highlights | 17 Year Old Daniel Jebbison goal wins it


Let's buy all the 18-year-olds   :)

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Post by: OCD on August 23, 2021, 10:19:10 PM
Now being linked with Thomas Delaney - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/08/23/aston-villa-thomas-delaney/
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Post by: LukeJames on August 23, 2021, 10:22:23 PM
Now being linked with Thomas Delaney - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/08/23/aston-villa-thomas-delaney/

Oh god yes, he would be perfect. Think a better Jedinak.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2021, 10:23:44 PM
Good player, Delaney, but the source and his age are not great.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 23, 2021, 10:28:09 PM
He is only 30, in that position you could get a good 4-5 years service from him. Townsend was that age when we signed him. Fernandinho must be 35 now.

Would be a perfect signing, especially at the £10m touted.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
Being suggested we have agreed terms with Bryan Small’s lad Thierry from Everton.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
Delaney would be ace. Another captain/leader type on the pitch, too.

Would like Small and Jebbison, too, thanks.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 23, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Being suggested we have agreed terms with Bryan Small’s lad Thierry from Everton.

Great news if true. All my Everton mates up here really rate him.
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Post by: villadelph on August 23, 2021, 10:49:41 PM
Tolisso is one who I thought might be gettable. He would be a slightly less extreme version of a Cambiasso to Leicester type signing. The other one who might be worth trying for is Weston McKennie from Juve.

Juve are actively looking to offload McKennie. That would be an absolute yes for me. Good box to box skills; puts in a good tackle, gets forward with pace and can play through the middle.

Offer 22.5m and get em in here.
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Post by: OCD on August 23, 2021, 11:12:47 PM
He is only 30, in that position you could get a good 4-5 years service from him. Townsend was that age when we signed him. Fernandinho must be 35 now.

Would be a perfect signing, especially at the £10m touted.

36 now.

I think it was our interest in him that stopped Small signing a professional contract with Everton. Jebbison is a new one on me.

Small was on Albion's books at one point before Everton signed him.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2021, 11:25:02 PM
I don’t know who Nicola Balice is but he’s suggesting Juve want to sell McKinnie and we are leading the race for him. ITK’s everywhere

https://twitter.com/nicolabalice/status/1429909396323192839?s=21

Translation

Watch out for #McKennie, he did not convince #Allegri, he would prefer to stay, #Juve is now pushing for the sale: #AstonVilla is the most interested club, there is also #Tottenham
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Post by: Monty on August 23, 2021, 11:33:30 PM
I don’t know who Nicola Balice is but he’s suggesting Juve want to sell McKinnie and we are leading the race for him. ITK’s everywhere

https://twitter.com/nicolabalice/status/1429909396323192839?s=21

Translation

Watch out for #McKennie, he did not convince #Allegri, he would prefer to stay, #Juve is now pushing for the sale: #AstonVilla is the most interested club, there is also #Tottenham

Turin correspondent for Corriere dello Sport. Not a muggins then, presumably has some sort of insight.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2021, 11:38:37 PM
He is only 30, in that position you could get a good 4-5 years service from him. Townsend was that age when we signed him. Fernandinho must be 35 now.

Would be a perfect signing, especially at the £10m touted.

Have mentioned him a couple of times before, but think he would be a good signing for us at this point.  Yes he is 30, but he's got bags of international and Champions League experience and would give us that bit of experience in midfield that we have lacked for some time now.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2021, 11:39:03 PM
I don’t know who Nicola Balice is but he’s suggesting Juve want to sell McKinnie and we are leading the race for him. ITK’s everywhere

https://twitter.com/nicolabalice/status/1429909396323192839?s=21

Translation

Watch out for #McKennie, he did not convince #Allegri, he would prefer to stay, #Juve is now pushing for the sale: #AstonVilla is the most interested club, there is also #Tottenham

Turin correspondent for Corriere dello Sport. Not a muggins then, presumably has some sort of insight.
A tenacious midfielder Villa linked to buying McKennie previously but he went to Juve.

 Weston McKennie previously said this when he chose Juventus
"In general, I can say that my dream was to go to the Premier League but when Juventus called me, with these players, with this staff, with Pirlo on the bench, they immediately intrigued me. A club that wins is a great challenge. they are the best in the world, it’s perfect for my goals. I want to win and make the history of the club, as tradition and support is one of the most interesting clubs,”
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2021, 12:04:48 AM
I don’t know who Nicola Balice is but he’s suggesting Juve want to sell McKinnie and we are leading the race for him. ITK’s everywhere


I don't know anything about McKennie but more importantly we have the song sorted....Go West-ton McKennie, Go West-ton McKennie....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 24, 2021, 07:12:21 AM
Either one of these is what we need, I would argue that if Delaney is around the £10m mark then he would be my choice of the two, more for his experience and leadership than anything.

It looks like either would be the midfield anchor we are after though
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Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2021, 08:59:29 AM
Small has signed for Southampton  I think
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Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2021, 09:28:00 AM
Being suggested we have agreed terms with Bryan Small’s lad Thierry from Everton.

Great news if true. All my Everton mates up here really rate him.

Back in the day when a bunch of us used to go home and away one of my mates was convinced Bryan Small's career was derailed and his confidence shot by all of the bollockings he got off Les Sealey.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2021, 09:28:25 AM
Small has signed for Southampton  I think

Boooo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 24, 2021, 09:41:02 AM
Delaney wouldn't be a bad punt. Fits into the viewpoint that we're not going to splash out and are looking for value now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 24, 2021, 10:00:34 AM
Declan Rice will not sign a new contract at West Ham - let the conspiracy theories commence.
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Post by: andyh on August 24, 2021, 10:23:10 AM
Declan Rice will not sign a new contract at West Ham - let the conspiracy theories commence.
Off to Man City then
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Post by: King Cropley on August 24, 2021, 10:28:10 AM
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Delaney wouldn't be a bad punt. Fits into the viewpoint that we're not going to splash out and are looking for value now.
....thought Dortmund were supposed to have agreed a deal with Sevilla for Delaney ? Has it fallen through ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 24, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
You probably know more than me. I was just going by the discussion on here over the last few pages
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Post by: King Cropley on August 24, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
You probably know more than me. I was just going by the discussion on here over the last few pages
No, not in possession of any special insight, just something I saw on t'internet yesterday, an article attributed to Michael Zorc that said a fee had been agreed with Sevilla over the weekend.....could be total bolleaux though !
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
A "delaney sevilla" search reveals they only want £6m (€7m).
Sevilla had bid £5m (4 days ago).
Talks had stalled (5 days ago).
Dortmund saying they're still in talks (5 hours ago).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2021, 11:01:44 AM
Delaney or McKennie are top level players. Both would be brilliant signings. Neither will arrive though I don't think.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OzVilla on August 24, 2021, 11:23:47 AM
Being suggested we have agreed terms with Bryan Small’s lad Thierry from Everton.

Great news if true. All my Everton mates up here really rate him.

He’s off to Southampton now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: King Cropley on August 24, 2021, 11:24:44 AM
Small has signed for Southampton  I think

...confirmed on Sly Sports. Just signed 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
I reckon at the end of this season Rice will be off to Chelsea
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: robleflaneur on August 24, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
We signed Buendia and Bailey ,£65 m ,to play with Grealish.Deducting Ings' fee from the £100m leaves Dean with £70m + to spend.Also bear in mind that we had made enquiries about JWP before Grealish's future was decided and a big wage increase for Jack was agreed.
Spending big can still equate with getting value if the players are in the right age group.If we don't spend the vast majority of the £70m then either the owners have surprisingly changed their plans or suitable £30m+ holding midfielders and wide players aren't available which would be equally surprising.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 24, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
even some Villa supporters think we are still a possible relegation side. Maybe a couple of recruits in January when we are challenging the top order might be the thing.
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Post by: frank black on August 24, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
even some Villa supporters think we are still a possible relegation side. Maybe a couple of recruits in January when we are challenging the top order might be the thing.

I don’t think we will be anywhere near relegation, but we may tread water.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rotterdam on August 24, 2021, 12:32:07 PM
Small has signed for Southampton  I think

...confirmed on Sly Sports. Just signed 3 year deal.

It seems a fee to be agreed by a tribunal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2021, 12:35:48 PM
heard Marco Reus on one of these click masterbait things for 13 million
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Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2021, 12:43:09 PM
If you are still pissed off about Jack Grealish leaving then you might want to avoid this months
FourFourTwo magazine. Jack is on the front cover and inside the magazine is a ten page spread on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on August 24, 2021, 12:46:00 PM
Declan Rice will not sign a new contract at West Ham - let the conspiracy theories commence.

he thinks west ham are pricing him out of a move. if he lets the clock tick on his contract, west ham have to lower the price.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2021, 12:48:21 PM
I reckon at the end of this season Rice will be off to Chelsea

Am I right in thinking that Rice started out as a kid at Chelsea then left for West Ham or did I just imagine that?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: placeforparks on August 24, 2021, 12:49:45 PM
I reckon at the end of this season Rice will be off to Chelsea

Am I right in thinking that Rice started out as a kid at Chelsea then left for West Ham or did I just imagine that?

yes, he was let go by chelsea when he was 14/15.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 24, 2021, 12:49:53 PM
You're not wrong, Damo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2021, 01:49:05 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: andyh on August 24, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
I reckon at the end of this season Rice will be off to Chelsea

Am I right in thinking that Rice started out as a kid at Chelsea then left for West Ham or did I just imagine that?

yes, he was let go by chelsea when he was 14/15.
It’s what they do.
Let people go for peanuts and then buy them back  years later for £100m 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2021, 02:36:13 PM
Helenius?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2021, 02:49:34 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 24, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2021, 02:53:59 PM
heard Marco Reus on one of these click masterbait things for 13 million

He used to be ace, but haven't heard about him for years
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2021, 02:55:42 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius

Should have had a penalty in that Cup game against Tottenham. How the ref didn't give it when he literally had his shorts pulled down....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2021, 03:06:34 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius

Should have had a penalty in that Cup game against Tottenham. How the ref didn't give it when he literally had his shorts pulled down....

Lest we forget..

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2021, 03:23:09 PM
heard Marco Reus on one of these click masterbait things for 13 million

He used to be ace, but haven't heard about him for years

His class is permanent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Being suggested we have agreed terms with Bryan Small’s lad Thierry from Everton.

Great news if true. All my Everton mates up here really rate him.

He’s off to Southampton now.

They also  got the kid off Chelsea we were linked with. Straight in the first team and did well from the little I saw.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Martin Carruthers on August 24, 2021, 03:43:09 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius

Should have had a penalty in that Cup game against Tottenham. How the ref didn't give it when he literally had his shorts pulled down....

Lest we forget..



Helanius/Bowery/Kozak/KEA. Frightening combination of players. In a bad way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2021, 03:46:42 PM
Ha, was thinking Laursen.

Forgot about those 2 entirely but in fairness a lot of the players we had around that time were pretty forgettable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2021, 03:51:25 PM
heard Marco Reus on one of these click masterbait things for 13 million

He used to be ace, but haven't heard about him for years

Same here, liked him in 'Gladiator' though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2021, 04:22:35 PM
Ha, was thinking Laursen.

Forgot about those 2 entirely but in fairness a lot of the players we had around that time were pretty forgettable.

I don't know, Tonev was pretty memorable  :'(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2021, 04:23:04 PM
And Postma for different reasons
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Post by: CT on August 24, 2021, 05:01:06 PM
And Postma for different reasons

He should have been an absolute strap on to get into that team.

Sorry, mean shoe-in.
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Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
And Postma for different reasons

He should have been an absolute strap on to get into that team.

Sorry, mean shoe-in.

Crikey, that sounds even more niche.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 24, 2021, 05:24:51 PM
And Postma for different reasons

He should have been an absolute strap on to get into that team.

Sorry, mean shoe-in.

Crikey, that sounds even more niche.

He’s back!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2021, 06:28:15 PM
And Postma for different reasons

He should have been an absolute strap on to get into that team.

Sorry, mean shoe-in.

He lost his peg’in the changing room.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 24, 2021, 06:29:25 PM
And Postma for different reasons

He should have been an absolute strap on to get into that team.

Sorry, mean shoe-in.

He lost his peg’in the changing room.
no clean sheets at the back with Postma in goal
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on August 24, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius

Should have had a penalty in that Cup game against Tottenham. How the ref didn't give it when he literally had his shorts pulled down....

Lest we forget..




We had our pants pulled down a lot in the Lambert years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
A few of the players tonight will have done their chances of going out on loan no harm at all.  Hourihane was good, Freddie did ok. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on August 24, 2021, 09:59:09 PM
Looking at the clips and stats, Delaney and McKennie together would be ideal. Sell Hourihane and Nakamba. Simple game this.

Both sound good. Delaney has a pretty good pedigree, hopefully he'd be as good as the last Dane we had. McKennie plenty of potential. Lets hope there's something in it.

Okore??
Nicklas Helenius

Should have had a penalty in that Cup game against Tottenham. How the ref didn't give it when he literally had his shorts pulled down....

Lest we forget..




We had our pants pulled down a lot in the Lambert years.

I love the commentator trying not to laugh.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
Weren't we linked to McKennie strongly last summer before Juve came on the scene?

Very possible we could revisit it and having a top US player on our books would probably impress Wes so he'd go all in to sign him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 24, 2021, 10:50:30 PM
Bailey and McKennie would certainly improve our cache in the old empire.  There was talk of Wes wanting to set up an MLS franchise in Vegas, too. 
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 11:25:30 PM
Weren't we linked to McKennie strongly last summer before Juve came on the scene?

Very possible we could revisit it and having a top US player on our books would probably impress Wes so he'd go all in to sign him.
A tenacious midfielder Villa linked to buying McKennie previously but he went to Juve.

He said this when he chose Juventus
"In general, I can say that my dream was to go to the Premier League but when Juventus called me, with these players, with this staff, with Pirlo on the bench, they immediately intrigued me. A club that wins is a great challenge. they are the best in the world, it’s perfect for my goals. I want to win and make the history of the club, as tradition and support is one of the most interesting clubs,”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2021, 12:19:15 AM
Wesley off to Club Brugge on loan being reported - hope it happens and he finds some form. Meanwhile Archer on the bench please!

Hopefully this frees up a squad place for a big signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2021, 02:18:42 AM
Seems like a logical move for him to get some game time, hope it works out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villabear on August 25, 2021, 07:10:53 AM
I’m hoping the lack of any rumours to any more signings coming in is because we’re now only operating in ‘stealth Ings mode’.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 25, 2021, 07:31:37 AM
Well if you like a good rumour… Roma are after Luiz again and his price tag is E30mill!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 25, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
Well if you like a good rumour… Roma are after Luiz again and his price tag is E30mill!!

Now much as I like Dougie, a swap for McKennie and then invest in Doucoure at CDM I wouldn't necessarily be against, although we'd be losing a settled in player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2021, 08:10:25 AM
I don't want to lose any first team players this window. See how the new players settle and reassess next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 25, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
I don't want to lose any first team players this window. See how the new players settle and reassess next season.
Same here - having already lost one first team player this summer, I don't think it's a good idea (or sends the right message) for another to leave.  Besides which, I like Dougie.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 25, 2021, 08:48:03 AM
I don't want to lose any first team players this window. See how the new players settle and reassess next season.
Same here - having already lost one first team player this summer, I don't think it's a good idea (or sends the right message) for another to leave.  Besides which, I like Dougie.

On reflection you are both right!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 08:59:32 AM
I’m hoping the lack of any rumours to any more signings coming in is because we’re now only operating in ‘stealth Ings mode’.

Or it's because Smith has said on two occasions that we're not buying anybody else?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2021, 09:40:02 AM
Wesley off to Club Brugge on loan being reported - hope it happens and he finds some form. Meanwhile Archer on the bench please!

Hopefully this frees up a squad place for a big signing.

Is that who we bought him off? £25m in transfer fee, two years of salary, most of it on an injured player and now we'll probably be subsidising his wages for the club who used to pay him something more modest/fairer until we waved our cash around....only in modern football...*grumble*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 25, 2021, 09:41:34 AM
Can't see any movement till deadline day personally. Probably waiting for clubs/players to weigh up their options.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 25, 2021, 09:43:44 AM
Hmm it's a load of tosh but Calciomercato in Italy claim that we've made a cash offer for McKennie...doesn't really chime with the official line...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2021, 09:56:13 AM
Well if you like a good rumour… Roma are after Luiz again and his price tag is E30mill!!
I still think Luiz has a very high potential ceiling.  I'd be very relucant to lose him now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 25, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
We got quoted 40m for Cantwell so they can forget that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 25, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
Cantwell has coke head nostrils. It's a no from me. (Not suggesting he is a coke head, just he has coke head looking nostrils)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 25, 2021, 10:07:02 AM
Seen him a bit this season. Not impressed. More Paul Tait than mini-ratboy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 25, 2021, 10:09:24 AM
Well if you like a good rumour… Roma are after Luiz again and his price tag is E30mill!!
I still think Luiz has a very high potential ceiling.  I'd be very relucant to lose him now.

Me too. For reasons I can't seem to put my finger on, I think he'll be almost unrecognisable as the player he is even now come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 25, 2021, 10:23:29 AM
Well if you like a good rumour… Roma are after Luiz again and his price tag is E30mill!!
I still think Luiz has a very high potential ceiling.  I'd be very relucant to lose him now.

Me too. For reasons I can't seem to put my finger on, I think he'll be almost unrecognisable as the player he is even now come the end of the season.

No way to that price tag. He could have one good season there and Chelsea would be in for him at £70m
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: villabear on August 25, 2021, 10:31:42 AM
I’m hoping the lack of any rumours to any more signings coming in is because we’re now only operating in ‘stealth Ings mode’.

Or it's because Smith has said on two occasions that we're not buying anybody else?

Lets hope not eh? I think we're light in the defensive midfielder position so let's hope he does too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 25, 2021, 10:38:11 AM
I’m hoping the lack of any rumours to any more signings coming in is because we’re now only operating in ‘stealth Ings mode’.

Or it's because Smith has said on two occasions that we're not buying anybody else?
Did he actually say that. Or did he say he is satisfied with what we have. totally different.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Someone needs to come in at DM if at all possible, but I think we will want outgoings first. Wes would be a start.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2021, 10:55:55 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.

Have your fingers turned into sausage rolls or something?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: simboy on August 25, 2021, 10:58:11 AM
Someone needs to come in at DM if at all possible, but I think we will want outgoings first. Wes would be a start.

I read that Wes has gone to Club Brugge on a year long loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2021, 10:59:17 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.

Have your fingers turned into sausage rolls or something?

Yes, but also something in me refuses to type out his name without changing it. The double-G thing looks so goofy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 25, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Cantwell has coke head nostrils. It's a no from me. (Not suggesting he is a coke head, just he has coke head looking nostrils)





i imagine Danielle westbrook 😳
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2021, 11:37:11 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.

Have your fingers turned into sausage rolls or something?

Yes, but also something in me refuses to type out his name without changing it. The double-G thing looks so goofy.

Most learned style guides (i.e. what I do) suggest writing it thusly: Greg(g).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2021, 11:41:23 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.

Have your fingers turned into sausage rolls or something?

Yes, but also something in me refuses to type out his name without changing it. The double-G thing looks so goofy.

Most learned style guides (i.e. what I do) suggest writing it thusly: Greg(g).

Robbie Fowler's Modern English Usage?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
surely he didn't have any, ever.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2021, 11:44:31 AM
Gr'Ggevans says Wes on going back to Brugge for a year's loan.

Have your fingers turned into sausage rolls or something?

Yes, but also something in me refuses to type out his name without changing it. The double-G thing looks so goofy.

Most learned style guides (i.e. what I do) suggest writing it thusly: Greg(g).

Robbie Fowler's Modern English Usage?

The very same.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2021, 01:10:48 PM
with Kane staying , less chance they will be signing all these players up eg McKennie
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Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
They will have a good season. Nuno is a good manager, and they already have a very very good squad.
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Post by: DC1874 on August 25, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
So another member of the Scab 6 kept their best player whereas we did not - I wonder why?
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Post by: placeforparks on August 25, 2021, 04:11:51 PM
sounds like spurs are signing papa sarr, and then loaning him back to metz.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 25, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
So another member of the Scab 6 kept their best player whereas we did not - I wonder why?
release clause?
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Post by: DC1874 on August 25, 2021, 04:15:45 PM
Didn't Kane have a "gentleman's agreement" to leave if Shitty went in for him? I just think Levy played hard-ball whereas we rolled over and had our tummy tickled!
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Post by: Keeno on August 25, 2021, 04:16:06 PM
So another member of the Scab 6 kept their best player whereas we did not - I wonder why?

Cause he trusted his brother with 0 experience to negotiate his 6-year deal with no release clause then wanted to leave with 3 years left.

JG vs Kane is a case study in how to (and not to) deal with a club as a player.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2021, 04:17:47 PM
Didn't Kane have a "gentleman's agreement" to leave if Shitty went in for him? I just think Levy played hard-ball whereas we rolled over and had our tummy tickled!

And we were bound by a legally enforceable contract, as is Harry Kane.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2021, 04:33:07 PM
Didn't Kane have a "gentleman's agreement" to leave if Shitty went in for him? I just think Levy played hard-ball whereas we rolled over and had our tummy tickled!

It was clear Grealish wanted to leave and he and his agent very much made that clear to the club. It was an agreement based on a number being met. All of this is completely public. The club did what it could to keep him. Kane while wanting to leave clearly didn't have a defined number that would in essence force the hand of the club to allow him to entertaiun a move. It's not about hard ball and nothing at all to do with us rolling over. Time after time other clubs have said dealing with us has been done so respectfully, and it has allowed us to acquire good players. I don't need us acting like pricks. We have astute and highly successful individuals at the club. Do you honestly believe that they got to be that way by being soft as you are suggesting?
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Post by: Dave on August 25, 2021, 04:38:24 PM
So another member of the Scab 6 kept their best player whereas we did not - I wonder why?

Cause he trusted his brother with 0 experience to negotiate his 6-year deal with no release clause then wanted to leave with 3 years left.

JG vs Kane is a case study in how to (and not to) deal with a club as a player.

Also (as you allude to) a case study in why you don't put someone in charge of your affairs for no reason other than the fact they are your brother.
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Post by: Smithy on August 25, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
My guess is Harry Kane will be part of the big centre-forward merry-go-round next summer when Haaland is available for £65m.  There will be a lot of forwards going around for free, or very little, in 2022 - if they don't all sign new contracts in the next 12 months, obviously.

Levy is a massive twat, but he's kept his best player - However, I suspect it will end up costing them an awful lot of cash when Kane goes much more cheaply next summer and they've missed out on Europe again.
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Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2021, 04:57:08 PM
They'll have to endure a season of constant speculation about him too.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 25, 2021, 05:01:11 PM
and a player who doesn't want to be there.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2021, 05:01:54 PM
Ultimately time will tell this season, but Kane fairly obviously doesn’t want to be at Spurs, so will be interesting to see if it impacts on his performances. Now we are far enough down the road to remove the nostalgia from the Grealish situation, he would of left for Spurs at beginning of 2018/2019if the new owners hadn’t taken over and last summer if Man U had actually made a bid. He now in hindsight didn’t have huge amounts of loyalty towards, so we’ve made a huge profit and seemingly invested it really well without much fuss, sounds like an excellent way of managing the situation to me. Kane could have a great season and so could Spurs, or it could be a mess and I would argue levy has employed a more risky strategy than Purslow and our owners.
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Post by: LeonW on August 25, 2021, 05:04:04 PM
I find it interesting comparing the coverage of the Joe VS Kane transfer saga's in the media. There were a lot of voices about why Kane should stay with Spurs yet pretty much zero cases made for why Joe should stay at Villa. And whatever else you say about JG, he hasn't behaved like Kane has in trying to force a move, at least publicly. Kane seems to have a gotten an easy ride despite all his nonsense.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2021, 05:09:39 PM
If he scores another 25 goals or more, Tottenham have done well to keep him. Barring injuries, he probably will.
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Post by: KRS on August 25, 2021, 05:26:56 PM
Spurs and their fans are now going to have this Kane transfer circus over their heads every transfer window until he’s sold. His statement says his staying “this summer”, so that doesn’t mean that he won’t try to force a move in January or next summer…or another club makes an offer they can’t turn down.

The Kane situation is very different to ours…the £100m release clause being met being the catalyst that effectively took the situation out of our control. Kane clearly doesn’t have a release clause, any rumoured gentleman’s agreement is purely speculation and not binding, and Levy was able to just set a ridiculously high valuation which Citeh weren’t prepared to meet. Any suggestion that Spurs and Levy have played this better than ourselves is ridiculous as the player contract scenarios are completely different.
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Post by: Dave on August 25, 2021, 05:28:45 PM
My guess is Harry Kane will be part of the big centre-forward merry-go-round next summer when Haaland is available for £65m.  There will be a lot of forwards going around for free, or very little, in 2022 - if they don't all sign new contracts in the next 12 months, obviously.

Levy is a massive twat, but he's kept his best player - However, I suspect it will end up costing them an awful lot of cash when Kane goes much more cheaply next summer and they've missed out on Europe again.

Probably, but not to the extent they'll regret it. They might lose a third off the fee they might get now, but that's probably worth another 25+ goals. Put it this way, I'd rather have taken £75m plus another season of Grealish over £100m this summer.

He'll still have two years left next summer, and there are a lot of clubs who are banking on signing Haaland who won't get him and will be panicking over needing a big-name striker.

If I were a betting man, I'd be going for Mbappe staying with PSG this year, then both him and Haaland going to Real Madrid next year for a combined fee of £65m, and the other eighty-odd million they are offering PSG for Mbappe at the moment paying their wages.

Then a bidding war (tm) between the Manchesters, PSG, Bayern and Juventus for Kane who is then the most available alternative.


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Post by: OCD on August 25, 2021, 05:32:17 PM
A front 2 of Mbappe and Haaland would be some pairing.
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Post by: Smithy on August 25, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
My guess is Harry Kane will be part of the big centre-forward merry-go-round next summer when Haaland is available for £65m.  There will be a lot of forwards going around for free, or very little, in 2022 - if they don't all sign new contracts in the next 12 months, obviously.

Levy is a massive twat, but he's kept his best player - However, I suspect it will end up costing them an awful lot of cash when Kane goes much more cheaply next summer and they've missed out on Europe again.

Probably, but not to the extent they'll regret it. They might lose a third off the fee they might get now, but that's probably worth another 25+ goals. Put it this way, I'd rather have taken £75m plus another season of Grealish over £100m this summer.

He'll still have two years left next summer, and there are a lot of clubs who are banking on signing Haaland who won't get him and will be panicking over needing a big-name striker.

If I were a betting man, I'd be going for Mbappe staying with PSG this year, then both him and Haaland going to Real Madrid next year for a combined fee of £65m, and the other eighty-odd million they are offering PSG for Mbappe at the moment paying their wages.

Then a bidding war (tm) between the Manchesters, PSG, Bayern and Juventus for Kane who is then the most available alternative.


Ronaldo is also on a free next summer - yes he's old - but he's still capable of another couple of years at the top judging by his performances at the Euros.  Kane will be the 'expensive' one next summer, and I just don't see anyone paying over £100m for him in 12 months when Haaland, Mbappe and Ronaldo are available for free, or about half that amount.  There are only a handful of clubs that could pay that sort of money anyway, and I don't think any of them would pay that much when there are options like those three available.

I could even see Kane being at Spurs till after the World Cup, and then going pretty cheap, or even hanging on another year and going for a massive four or five-year contract on a free when he's 31.

It will be really interesting to see how he does this summer, and whether his heart isn't in it, or whether he's actually the really good professional his 'England Captain' persona appears to be.
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Post by: algy on August 25, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
Didn't Kane have a "gentleman's agreement" to leave if Shitty went in for him? I just think Levy played hard-ball whereas we rolled over and had our tummy tickled!

It was clear Grealish wanted to leave and he and his agent very much made that clear to the club. It was an agreement based on a number being met. All of this is completely public. The club did what it could to keep him. Kane while wanting to leave clearly didn't have a defined number that would in essence force the hand of the club to allow him to entertaiun a move. It's not about hard ball and nothing at all to do with us rolling over. Time after time other clubs have said dealing with us has been done so respectfully, and it has allowed us to acquire good players. I don't need us acting like pricks. We have astute and highly successful individuals at the club. Do you honestly believe that they got to be that way by being soft as you are suggesting?
Yeah, absolutely this. You notice on the Barrow forums before Tuesdays game the supporters were saying how we were clearly alright as a club because of the Acorns shirt sponsorship deal thing. If we act responsibly and respectfully as a club, that sort of thing buys a lot of goodwill, and that goodwill lasts far beyond the moment. You notice people already saying how we're the model of a we'll run club now. That's the reputation we want and need.

We should aim to be, as a club, a cut above the riff raff. A distinguished club with an attitude to match.
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Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 06:19:22 PM
I don’t really give a stuff how we act to be honest. We’ve been snaffling all the good kids in the country lately, and I bet a lot of the clubs don’t think we’ve behaved like gentlemen in so doing.
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Post by: Dave on August 25, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
My guess is Harry Kane will be part of the big centre-forward merry-go-round next summer when Haaland is available for £65m.  There will be a lot of forwards going around for free, or very little, in 2022 - if they don't all sign new contracts in the next 12 months, obviously.

Levy is a massive twat, but he's kept his best player - However, I suspect it will end up costing them an awful lot of cash when Kane goes much more cheaply next summer and they've missed out on Europe again.

Probably, but not to the extent they'll regret it. They might lose a third off the fee they might get now, but that's probably worth another 25+ goals. Put it this way, I'd rather have taken £75m plus another season of Grealish over £100m this summer.

He'll still have two years left next summer, and there are a lot of clubs who are banking on signing Haaland who won't get him and will be panicking over needing a big-name striker.

If I were a betting man, I'd be going for Mbappe staying with PSG this year, then both him and Haaland going to Real Madrid next year for a combined fee of £65m, and the other eighty-odd million they are offering PSG for Mbappe at the moment paying their wages.

Then a bidding war (tm) between the Manchesters, PSG, Bayern and Juventus for Kane who is then the most available alternative.


Ronaldo is also on a free next summer - yes he's old - but he's still capable of another couple of years at the top judging by his performances at the Euros.  Kane will be the 'expensive' one next summer, and I just don't see anyone paying over £100m for him in 12 months when Haaland, Mbappe and Ronaldo are available for free, or about half that amount.  There are only a handful of clubs that could pay that sort of money anyway, and I don't think any of them would pay that much when there are options like those three available.

Problem with that though is that there will still be more clubs looking for a top striker than there will be top strikers available.

Man City will still have their Kane-hole to fill. Man Utd will have wrung the last out of Cavani. Juve and PSG will need to replace the ones who are leaving. Lewandowski will be 34 and Bayern are normally pretty sensible in planning ahead. If two of the four end up at Real (and they want both, can get them both cheaply and both are pretty well-known as wanting to go there), it leaves Ronaldo and Kane to go around the rest.

It makes Chelsea's purchase of Lukaku this summer look ever more sensible in just sitting the next one out.
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Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2021, 06:23:48 PM
My guess is Harry Kane will be part of the big centre-forward merry-go-round next summer when Haaland is available for £65m.  There will be a lot of forwards going around for free, or very little, in 2022 - if they don't all sign new contracts in the next 12 months, obviously.

Levy is a massive twat, but he's kept his best player - However, I suspect it will end up costing them an awful lot of cash when Kane goes much more cheaply next summer and they've missed out on Europe again.

Probably, but not to the extent they'll regret it. They might lose a third off the fee they might get now, but that's probably worth another 25+ goals. Put it this way, I'd rather have taken £75m plus another season of Grealish over £100m this summer.

He'll still have two years left next summer, and there are a lot of clubs who are banking on signing Haaland who won't get him and will be panicking over needing a big-name striker.

If I were a betting man, I'd be going for Mbappe staying with PSG this year, then both him and Haaland going to Real Madrid next year for a combined fee of £65m, and the other eighty-odd million they are offering PSG for Mbappe at the moment paying their wages.

Then a bidding war (tm) between the Manchesters, PSG, Bayern and Juventus for Kane who is then the most available alternative.


Ronaldo is also on a free next summer - yes he's old - but he's still capable of another couple of years at the top judging by his performances at the Euros.  Kane will be the 'expensive' one next summer, and I just don't see anyone paying over £100m for him in 12 months when Haaland, Mbappe and Ronaldo are available for free, or about half that amount.  There are only a handful of clubs that could pay that sort of money anyway, and I don't think any of them would pay that much when there are options like those three available.

Problem with that though is that there will still be more clubs looking for a top striker than there will be top strikers available.

Man City will still have their Kane-hole to fill. Man Utd will have wrung the last out of Cavani. Juve and PSG will need to replace the ones who are leaving. Lewandowski will be 34 and Bayern are normally pretty sensible in planning ahead. If two of the four end up at Real (and they want both, can get them both cheaply and both are pretty well-known as wanting to go there), it leaves Ronaldo and Kane to go around the rest.

It makes Chelsea's purchase of Lukaku this summer look ever more sensible in just sitting the next one out.

I also think he's the best, most complete of them all.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2021, 06:25:00 PM
Although most have said how will we have behaved when taking serious youngsters
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 25, 2021, 06:29:41 PM
Big queue to buy Watkins next summer. I hope he hasn't got a release  clause.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 25, 2021, 06:30:07 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Ronaldo moves to Citeh before the deadline.On ridiculous wages at Juve and didn't start in the opening game.
Ings 25-30m ,absolute bargain.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 25, 2021, 06:42:02 PM
I said way back in this thread that our owners are first and foremost businessmen running, what they hope will become, a succesful business.  Most businesses spend time generating goodwill within their operating sphere, something we are clearly trying to do.  If you treat somebody like a total prick, then you can only expect that attitude to be turned towards you, not only by the target but by others in the same world also. 
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Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2021, 06:46:36 PM
Surely if he comes back to the UK, commercially United won't pass it up. He pays his fee and wages in commercial deals overnight.
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Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
I don’t really give a stuff how we act to be honest. We’ve been snaffling all the good kids in the country lately, and I bet a lot of the clubs don’t think we’ve behaved like gentlemen in so doing.
I seem to remember the people at Exeter and Bristol Rovers saying we'd acted very honourably earlier in the year.
WBA probably don't think so, though.
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Post by: CT on August 25, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Big queue to buy Watkins next summer. I hope he hasn't got a release  clause.

Was thinking the same thing earlier. Maybe Konsa too, considering the parasite agent he has. I bet there was a release clause in his new contract.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 25, 2021, 08:10:49 PM
[ Kane seems to have a gotten an easy ride despite all his nonsense

England Captain]
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 25, 2021, 08:25:04 PM
Big queue to buy Watkins next summer. I hope he hasn't got a release  clause.

Was thinking the same thing earlier. Maybe Konsa too, considering the parasite agent he has. I bet there was a release clause in his new contract.
We signed Ollie and Konsa from Brentford,Championship club.Ollie's initial contract probably has no release clause.
Konsa flies under the radar,not even in the England squad and signed a new contract.Man U have just bought Varane,Citeh and Liverpool well stocked for central defenders.Chelski probably similar,especially with young Chalobah making an impact.
If both do well this season,then logically Villa will have done well and they won't be going to anyone outside those 4 clubs .If your pessimistic predictions prove to be right,then buying players for 10-25m and selling for 60m +,the future will still look rosy.
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Post by: CT on August 25, 2021, 08:31:21 PM
Big queue to buy Watkins next summer. I hope he hasn't got a release  clause.

Was thinking the same thing earlier. Maybe Konsa too, considering the parasite agent he has. I bet there was a release clause in his new contract.
We signed Ollie and Konsa from Brentford,Championship club.Ollie's initial contract probably has no release clause.
Konsa flies under the radar,not even in the England squad and signed a new contract.Man U have just bought Varane,Citeh and Liverpool well stocked for central defenders.Chelski probably similar,especially with young Chalobah making an impact.
If both do well this season,then logically Villa will have done well and they won't be going to anyone outside those 4 clubs .If your pessimistic predictions prove to be right,then buying players for 10-25m and selling for 60m +,the future will still look rosy.


Wasn’t being pessimistic at all. As I said, I was just thinking about it. Anyone with Barnett as an agent will be fair game for a move as soon as they start attracting attention.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 25, 2021, 08:56:36 PM
Not clued up about agents.As regards potential buyers,Leicester and West Ham don't have our financial muscle,Arsenal are in decline,Spurs have Levy in charge,operating to Doug's blueprint,must get a bargain,scared of a sub 30m for Grealish.
So that leaves the usual suspects.Citeh,Chelsea and the 2 Northern Reds.Would they come calling for Ollie or Konsa? Not established England internationals and they will be paying top dollar.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2021, 09:51:07 PM
So does all the Kane chat mean there are zero links at the moment?
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Post by: Villan For Life on August 25, 2021, 10:11:32 PM
FFS guys we don’t this kind of shit!
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2021, 11:38:10 PM
I don’t really give a stuff how we act to be honest. We’ve been snaffling all the good kids in the country lately, and I bet a lot of the clubs don’t think we’ve behaved like gentlemen in so doing.
I seem to remember the people at Exeter and Bristol Rovers saying we'd acted very honourably earlier in the year.
WBA probably don't think so, though.

Tell you my take on that.

Fuck the Albion.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 12:44:11 AM
I don’t really give a stuff how we act to be honest. We’ve been snaffling all the good kids in the country lately, and I bet a lot of the clubs don’t think we’ve behaved like gentlemen in so doing.
I seem to remember the people at Exeter and Bristol Rovers saying we'd acted very honourably earlier in the year.
WBA probably don't think so, though.

Tell you my take on that.

Fuck the Albion.

Oh, and you have to say that's magnificent.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 26, 2021, 06:16:30 AM
Watched 2nd half of the Albion last night, I just hope the youngsters we took off the Albion are better than the ones who played against Arsenal
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Post by: rooboy316 on August 26, 2021, 06:36:56 AM
A front 2 of Mbappe and Haaland would be some pairing.

Two up front in this modern age? It'll never work. (winky thing).
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Post by: Mister E on August 26, 2021, 08:49:40 AM
Delaney apparently gone to Sevilla.
I wonder whether that means McKennie is now the main target?
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Post by: frank black on August 26, 2021, 08:52:22 AM
I think we are done until Jan
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 26, 2021, 08:57:15 AM
I think we will bring one more in if 1 or more of Hourihane and Guilbert go. Suspect the owners are not wanting excessive squad numbers or a wage bill that is bloated with players that wont get a game, but will spend if room is made.

McKennie looks like a good player, although not sure he is the kind of player we need he would certainly be an upgrade.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 26, 2021, 09:02:08 AM
Delaney apparently gone to Sevilla.
I wonder whether that means McKennie is now the main target?

He’s been available for some time so I’m not sure he was a target for us,  if so you’d have expected us to move sooner.
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Post by: aev on August 26, 2021, 09:08:49 AM
Delaney apparently gone to Sevilla.
I wonder whether that means McKennie is now the main target?

He’s been available for some time so I’m not sure he was a target for us,  if so you’d have expected us to move sooner.

Unless we are not his first choice, and are therefore waiting / hoping that his first choice doesn't materialise.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
McKennie would be such a good signing. Great agree too, and capable of pressing in the way Smith wants while getting into the box to get a goal.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
And apparently Spurs are in talks with Juve for him. Great.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 11:25:49 AM
Norwich are in talks with Carvalho apparently. Wtf? Worth a punt?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2021, 12:21:51 PM
I’m quite disappointed that we appear to have concluded our business.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 26, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
I’m quite disappointed that we appear to have concluded our business.


We always seem to get ourselves in a great position and then stop leaving us one short.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 12:40:54 PM
Still think one more will arrive before deadline day personally if a few players head off on loan/sold. Probably need to free up wages.
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Post by: Ian. on August 26, 2021, 12:56:15 PM
Still think one more will arrive before deadline day personally if a few players head off on loan/sold. Probably need to free up wages.

I hope it’s not our annual Drinkwater type last minute brain fart.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
Yeah, I just imagine they're wary of getting into a situation like when they arrived of 8+ non-playing unsellable squad players on high wages. We haven't got much deadwood at the moment but with the promising youth players needing playing time as well they'd probably like someone going out before committing to another guy for 4-5 years
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Post by: algy on August 26, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
Still think one more will arrive before deadline day personally if a few players head off on loan/sold. Probably need to free up wages.
Yeah, I think probably it's as much to do with staying sweet in terms of FFP requirements.   Think we'll see another midfielder come in as long as we can get a move for Conor Hourihane.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
I’m quite disappointed that we appear to have concluded our business.


We always seem to get ourselves in a great position and then stop leaving us one short.
True story.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 02:13:02 PM
I'm not sure why we need to free up 12 months wages for the likes of Hourihane etc, when we're £7m in the black on our transfer activity.

FFP surely can't be an issue when we were intending to keep Jack?
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Post by: Drummond on August 26, 2021, 02:15:38 PM
I suspect its the usual issue of everyone waiting on everyone else
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Post by: TonyD on August 26, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Ronaldo rocked up.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2021, 02:23:13 PM
I don’t think it's about fees or wages, just a case of not wanting to have senior players who aren't named in the PL 25 man squad.
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Post by: Smithy on August 26, 2021, 02:23:20 PM
I suspect its the usual issue of everyone waiting on everyone else

That's how I see it.  A lot of transfer windows are like buying houses in a big chain the closer they get to deadline day. We did really well to get quite a lot of business done early, but we're now at the stage where anyone selling is likely going to want to reinvest anything we give them, and with time running out selling clubs will probably want those deals as close to secure as possible.

It's no guarantee we're going to sign anyone, obviously, but I'm not at all surprised it's 'slow' as we enter the last week. 
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
I'm not sure why we need to free up 12 months wages for the likes of Hourihane etc, when we're £7m in the black on our transfer activity.

FFP surely can't be an issue when we were intending to keep Jack?

Not so much the FFP angle, more having too many players for certain positions. We currently have 10 midfielders/AM's + 3 youth players for midfield places.  Now i'd totally agree we're short there of certain types of players in that area but they may think someone should be going out first.
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Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2021, 02:38:34 PM
10?  Who are you including there? I make it 7...

Doug
Mcginn
Sanson
Ramsey
Houri
Nakamba
Chuk

Not sure who else you've included.

For me i wouldn't be counting Chuk in the numbers because it's still his breakthrough year so 6 plays for 3 positions, i suspect and incoming is based on houri going out.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 02:45:49 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?
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Post by: jwarry on August 26, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
I see Levy has offered Wolves a £5m loan fee for Traore.  I really don’t understand why clubs even bother talking to him. If every club refused to deal with him then maybe he would get his comeuppance but he keeps getting away with it
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 26, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
we need to sack some of those off and buy some quality
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Post by: Stu on August 26, 2021, 02:48:11 PM
Spuds are only trying to loan Traoré from Wolves, have they seriously got £40m for McKinnie?
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Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 02:53:21 PM
NBC suggesting that we want the McKennie chap,but perhaps that Spurs want him more.
https://twitter.com/NBCSportsSoccer/status/1430882180046102534
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Post by: Stu on August 26, 2021, 03:00:58 PM
Can't imagine spurs exceeding an asking price, but perhaps they're more likely to sign him.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 03:05:35 PM
I don’t think it's about fees or wages, just a case of not wanting to have senior players who aren't named in the PL 25 man squad.
But surely that's just tough shit?  Taking Hourihane for example, surely it would be daft to allow worrying about his wages or him not having a squad role stop us from buying a £30m 'vital piece of the jigsaw' midfielder?  It just doesn't stack up to me as being a valid reason not to go out and buy a player if we feel we need one. 
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 03:06:59 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 03:08:04 PM

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Tottenham are not considering any swap deal for Weston McKennie with Juventus, again. Paratici signed McKennie one year ago and loves the player - but Spurs would only consider an initial loan move. White circle #THFC

There are also other Premier League clubs in the race for McKennie.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430893632240844802

God, I'm bored today!
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Delaney apparently gone to Sevilla.
I wonder whether that means McKennie is now the main target?

Shame about Delaney, as I think he would have been perfect for where we are and would have been that 'Andy Townsend' type of midfielder many have thought we have needed for some time.

Obviously we don't know if it was ever really an option, but would have been a very good signing in my opinion.
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 26, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Yeah I'm just saying it  easily gets out of hand fast as the owners are probably aware of when seeing the accounts when they bought us. It's like Arsenal where they spent a fortune on players who didn't play and haven't got the CL revenue to cover them, so now are giving out contracts to players getting the wrong side of 30 because they're still the best they can get and probably selling players they'd rather not in Willock and Martinez and buying goalkeeper No.4
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2021, 03:39:55 PM

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Tottenham are not considering any swap deal for Weston McKennie with Juventus, again. Paratici signed McKennie one year ago and loves the player - but Spurs would only consider an initial loan move. White circle #THFC

There are also other Premier League clubs in the race for McKennie.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430893632240844802

God, I'm bored today!

Interesting. So Spurs only want him on loan and Juve have no interest in letting him go on loan and won't sell for less than 25-30m euros.
Other clubs interested are us, Everton, Palace and West Ham.

Wes needs to get him on the phone before the porn dwarf starts sending him brown paper packages in the post.
If Juve really need the money we should be ripping their hand off.
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Post by: Stu on August 26, 2021, 03:46:15 PM

Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano
Tottenham are not considering any swap deal for Weston McKennie with Juventus, again. Paratici signed McKennie one year ago and loves the player - but Spurs would only consider an initial loan move. White circle #THFC

There are also other Premier League clubs in the race for McKennie.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430893632240844802

God, I'm bored today!

Kin hell, Spurs.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 26, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?
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Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2021, 04:21:42 PM
Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?
I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 04:28:17 PM
Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?
I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.



He can eff the effing eff off then. And if he has any friends in Transylvania they can eff off too.
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Post by: Richard E on August 26, 2021, 04:34:00 PM
I've never heard of him <whispers it quietly and then rushes off immediately>
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Post by: Big Ming on August 26, 2021, 04:40:14 PM
Now kanes staying spurs are broke they dont have money to spend 30m on him. Why we dont offer 20m with adds on i will.never know.

He might not be interested?
I read somewhere that McKennie isn't keen on us.



He can eff the effing eff off then. And if he has any friends in Transylvania they can eff off too.
....and when he gets there, he can eff off some more?
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Post by: Risso on August 26, 2021, 04:47:11 PM
Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Yeah I'm just saying it  easily gets out of hand fast as the owners are probably aware of when seeing the accounts when they bought us. It's like Arsenal where they spent a fortune on players who didn't play and haven't got the CL revenue to cover them, so now are giving out contracts to players getting the wrong side of 30 because they're still the best they can get and probably selling players they'd rather not in Willock and Martinez and buying goalkeeper No.4

I don't think we're anywhere close to it getting out of hand though. We've got good cover all over the park, except for  DCM. Of the players we've bought who might struggle to get game time, we have:

Guilbert - Smith seems not to like him much, but he only cost $4.5m, which is buttons these days.
Wesley - looks like a mistake, and the injury probably finished what little chance he had of making it.
Hourihane - we've had more than our money's worth for him, imagine he'll leave on a free.
Sanson - might be decent, but we don't know as permanently injured.


Other than that, everybody else seems to get a reasonable amount of game time. If we bought somebody else, you'd think it would be Nakamba cut adrift, but we've hardly got a huge bloated squad with loads of people sat around, Richards-style doing fuck all.
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Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2021, 04:47:45 PM
Yes, ideally we would lose 2 or 3 of them, but if not - so what?  Do we stall our development because of c £1.5-2m wages per surplus player when we've just got £100m for Jack? 

I understand the thought process of not over stretching on wages, but fuck it do we want to move on or not?  If that means Hourihane and Nakamba not having a squad number, then so be it.  In the context of things it just seems deminimus.  Am I missing something?

If we don't get anyone then surely it's because we didn't want them, not because we have to pay Horihane £35k a week for another 10 months.

Again you're bringing money into it when there is no evidence to say that is causing the delay. Smith was pretty clear about not wanting to stockpile players so I see no reason to dig deeper. We've clearly shown interest in midfielders so it's not like he doesn't see a need, he just doesn't want to overload the squad.

Personally I'm confident that we are still looking and will bring someone in but it will involve someone going out and both deals will happen after brentford.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 26, 2021, 04:56:54 PM
I love the fact that you've just fallen out with a player over no quotes.  It's a speculation piece that we are even interested in him..!  Let alone whether or not hie is interested in us.  :D
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 26, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
I don't think we're ever standing still these days. I'm sure that there's things going on regards potential comings and goings, feelers being put out, questions being asked and answered, phone calls and emails back and forth. Whether anything actually comes of these remains to be seen. Better to say "we're done" publicly and have nothing happen and live with supporters being a bit grumbly than to say "we're looking to move a couple out and get one or two in before the window shuts" and still have nothing happen while your supporters fume and bay for blood.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
10?  Who are you including there? I make it 7...

Doug
Mcginn
Sanson
Ramsey
Houri
Nakamba
Chuk

Not sure who else you've included.

For me i wouldn't be counting Chuk in the numbers because it's still his breakthrough year so 6 plays for 3 positions, i suspect and incoming is based on houri going out.

Depends on how the management team view the different roles I suppose.  If they view Luiz as more of a number 6 and McGinn as a number 8, then they might feel we have enough options already.

I personally would like to see Luiz play in more of an 8 role and McGinn further forward so would think we need another defensive midfielder, with Hourihane being the expendable one in the above group.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2021, 06:51:18 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.

I also think with a Liverpool style 433 the skill set of the midfield three largely overlaps ie they’re ‘jack of all trades, master of none’, rather than specialists, so two quality alternatives plus youth payers is more than enough imo. 
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Post by: Dave on August 26, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.

I also think with a Liverpool style 433 the skill set of the midfield three largely overlaps ie they’re ‘jack of all trades, master of none’, rather than specialists, so two quality alternatives plus youth payers is more than enough imo.

They also combine that with three attackers who are all de facto strikers. Whereas our striker supported by three attackers then requires more defensive focus than any two of our midfielders can realistically give.

If we wanted to mimic Liverpool (and I'm not suggesting we should or will) I'd be looking at all those brilliant tackling / defensive stats that Buendia had for Norwich, pulling him back into the midfield three and seeing if he could do what Wijnaldum did for them for the last few seaons. Then having Bailey / Ings / Watkins playing as three forwards.

The extra body being deeper reduces the need for a purely defensive midfielder, but all are capable of decent passing to find any of the front three who have more license to stay further forward.

It would also need Cash and Targett to show a lot more attacking nous than they have so far.
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Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 26, 2021, 07:29:43 PM
We’re not signing anyone else, are we…
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Post by: OCD on August 26, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
I probably read the same article, which said that Mckennie felt we were an average Premier League club but there were no quotes so had no credibility whatsoever. Even if it were true, he would just need to be have a few discussions with our people to understand our ambitions.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on August 26, 2021, 07:36:21 PM
Bit slow on the take but just read Ronaldo may be off to Citeh. Getting fed up with football now and if this happens then I can’t be arsed to see how the season goes because what’s the fucking point in having no competition for the title. Gone well past a joke and Citeh continue to dominate through cheating this mythical FFP system in place. Rant over, fuck off Man City!!
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Post by: Monty on August 26, 2021, 07:40:13 PM
In some ways I hope they do sign Ronaldo as I don't think he'd fit them in the slightest, and that could be quite funny.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on August 26, 2021, 07:43:21 PM
In some ways I hope they do sign Ronaldo as I don't think he'd fit them in the slightest, and that could be quite funny.

We’ll if it means Man City implode and return to being the yo-yo club they really are then yeah, would be hilarious
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 26, 2021, 07:47:37 PM
We’re not signing anyone else, are we…

I think we will. No idea who, but I still reckon there'll be one in.
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Post by: Monty on August 26, 2021, 07:48:57 PM
That might be stretching it. But imagine the sulk when G******* holds onto the ball too long, when Ronaldo had worked so hard to stand still in the six yard box. I could live with that.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
Amazing that they are looking at £25m and £500k a week for a 36 year old. I know he is brilliant still, but that is some outlay for a guy that will be 38 at the end of the deal. At United I think commercially they would make it back, but not so sure City will in the same way.
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Post by: FatSam on August 26, 2021, 07:59:42 PM
If we do shift Nakamba to make space in the squad for a better defensive midfielder, it’s pretty damning for the summer 2019 business from the Belgian market, given that Engels and Wesley have already effectively moved on. I know the reasons why we were shopping in that market, needing to build a whole squad within tight constraints, but at the time I was nervous about whether we were getting good value.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on August 26, 2021, 08:01:52 PM
That might be stretching it. But imagine the sulk when G******* holds onto the ball too long, when Ronaldo had worked so hard to stand still in the six yard box. I could live with that.

A very hopeful stretch. I just can’t fucking stand them, even more so since we sold them that kid with no shinpads…I forget it’s name
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Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2021, 08:31:19 PM
That might be stretching it. But imagine the sulk when G******* holds onto the ball too long, when Ronaldo had worked so hard to stand still in the six yard box. I could live with that.

A very hopeful stretch. I just can’t fucking stand them, even more so since we sold them that kid with no shinpads…I forget it’s name

Greasy Joe!
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2021, 08:47:07 PM
That might be stretching it. But imagine the sulk when G******* holds onto the ball too long, when Ronaldo had worked so hard to stand still in the six yard box. I could live with that.

Yeah, that is how i look at it.

Them signing Ronaldo would almost certainly contribute to Grealish finding it hard to get game time, so fuck him, I hope they do sign him.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 26, 2021, 09:07:07 PM
I see Pep has announced he is to leave at the end of his current 2 year deal

What shame - maybe they will go for Steve Bruce then  ;)
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Post by: KevinGage on August 26, 2021, 09:20:37 PM
I see Pep has announced he is to leave at the end of his current 2 year deal

What shame - maybe they will go for Steve Bruce then  ;)

He's a cla$$y guy.

So I can see him ending up in Qatar and talking about 'the project/ the challenge' and all that type of pish.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 26, 2021, 09:20:47 PM
Yeah. Not sure how Pep will get on I charge of an international side. Does he know that he won't be able to spend 250M a season on new players?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 09:21:49 PM
I see Pep has announced he is to leave at the end of his current 2 year deal

What shame - maybe they will go for Steve Bruce then  ;)

"It's one of them horrible ones. All I ask of me false nine is to be half trequartista, half Mick Harford and half large lamb donner with extra chilli and no salad, but the lad hasn't even got his boots on tonight, which is all I ask of him."
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Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2021, 09:54:59 PM
I'm on about the midfielders as a whole not just centre midfielders so should we be stockpiling that many players for 5 positions? plus the youth players?

For a 433 ideally you want 2 for every position, an extra keeper, and a couple of utility players, not including younger players with less than about 15-20 appearances.

I'd agree to an extent, but look at your list. Now if a DM came in, you've got 4 players twiddling their thumbs, plus our 2 kids who need game time. The cover is nice but realistically you'd probably could lose 1 or 2 of them and injuries permitting not feel their loss too badly.

I also think with a Liverpool style 433 the skill set of the midfield three largely overlaps ie they’re ‘jack of all trades, master of none’, rather than specialists, so two quality alternatives plus youth payers is more than enough imo.

They also combine that with three attackers who are all de facto strikers. Whereas our striker supported by three attackers then requires more defensive focus than any two of our midfielders can realistically give.

If we wanted to mimic Liverpool (and I'm not suggesting we should or will) I'd be looking at all those brilliant tackling / defensive stats that Buendia had for Norwich, pulling him back into the midfield three and seeing if he could do what Wijnaldum did for them for the last few seaons. Then having Bailey / Ings / Watkins playing as three forwards.

The extra body being deeper reduces the need for a purely defensive midfielder, but all are capable of decent passing to find any of the front three who have more license to stay further forward.

It would also need Cash and Targett to show a lot more attacking nous than they have so far.

I think Buendia would need to undergo a fairly intensive conditioning programme before being considered for such a role. Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey and in theory Sanson should all be capable of playing such a role in any case. Liverpool have Fabinho as their anchor in midfield, we have no one remotely at his level.
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Post by: LeeB on August 26, 2021, 10:23:02 PM
I see Pep has announced he is to leave at the end of his current 2 year deal

What shame - maybe they will go for Steve Bruce then  ;)

"It's one of them horrible ones. All I ask of me false nine is to be half trequartista, half Mick Harford and half large lamb donner with extra chilli and no salad, but the lad hasn't even got his boots on tonight, which is all I ask of him."

"Wu trained all week using NASA T-38 training jets for space travel, wu turn up here and it's at sea level. I canna win. It'll be off with me head from the fans, no doubt. And the Sheik as well come ta think of it."
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
I see Pep has announced he is to leave at the end of his current 2 year deal

What shame - maybe they will go for Steve Bruce then  ;)

"It's one of them horrible ones. All I ask of me false nine is to be half trequartista, half Mick Harford and half large lamb donner with extra chilli and no salad, but the lad hasn't even got his boots on tonight, which is all I ask of him."

"Wu trained all week using NASA T-38 training jets for space travel, wu turn up here and it's at sea level. I canna win. It'll be off with me head from the fans, no doubt. And the Sheik as well come ta think of it."

Keep em coming if you want to get back in the good books. The caravan thing dropped days after I’d forgiven you for slagging Paul Weller TO MY FACE*.

*I haven’t forgiven you.

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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 26, 2021, 11:16:35 PM
In some ways I hope they do sign Ronaldo as I don't think he'd fit them in the slightest, and that could be quite funny.

I agree, there were rumours Pep wasn't interested in re-signing Messi due to him knowing at his age he couldn't press at all compared to his Barca peak.

Well anyone who saw Ronaldo at Juve last season will know he's even worse at that know so while he'll get his usual 20 goals from tapping in crosses I agree him coming in might in a funny way make them weaker as a whole or mean Man. City need to play with two sitters in midfield.

Anyone expecting Ronaldo to waltz past 2-3 players and keep firing them in from 25 yards, he simply isn't that type of player anymore compared to when he was in Manchester before.

Surprised they want to sign him but guess they want a stopper for a season before going in for Kane again next summer or Haaland.

Will also be funny as Ronaldo will be automatic pick so means G***lish more likely to be on the bench for some of their bigger games in next 12 months.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 27, 2021, 03:51:45 AM
It's reported Ronaldo has agreed terms, this outfit has become the most detested club in the league. There is nothing fair about the way they operate, it seems every other club plays by one set of rules and they by no rules at all.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 27, 2021, 04:22:10 AM
Surprised by that. Doesn't feel like a Man City style signing, more something you'd expect of PSG or Real Madrid.
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Post by: LeonW on August 27, 2021, 06:38:46 AM
You can't press properly with a 36 year old Cristiano Ronaldo in your team. But then tbh, I feel the same about Kane so maybe they just want someone to score tap ins from the usual Pep City penalty box cut backs  after a zillion passes when they've got an opposition pressed back in their own area.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 27, 2021, 06:39:02 AM
Is that true about Ronaldo going to City? - no doubt he will be on his £500k a week after tax, not a bad way to finish off your career
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Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 07:26:29 AM
Essentially a 1 year deal (maybe 2?) for £70-100m for a 36 year old that will alienate part of your fan base and doesn't fit your style of play seems excessive. Would not be surprised to see Mbappe go to Madrid and Ronaldo end up at PSG with Messi.
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Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 07:36:36 AM
It's reported Ronaldo has agreed terms, this outfit has become the most detested club in the league. There is nothing fair about the way they operate, it seems every other club plays by one set of rules and they by no rules at all.

What are they supposed to have done wrong in this case?
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Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 07:57:46 AM
It's reported Ronaldo has agreed terms, this outfit has become the most detested club in the league. There is nothing fair about the way they operate, it seems every other club plays by one set of rules and they by no rules at all.

What are they supposed to have done wrong in this case?

I don't what's left of the FFP rules if anything, but Man City have just clearly decided that nothing applies to them any more.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 08:15:19 AM
I don't think FFP applies any more. It is being replaced with a different thing. They are taking advantage of that.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 08:15:58 AM
Meanwhile italian press are saying that McKennie isn't interested in a move to Villa.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 27, 2021, 08:27:25 AM
I cant see us signing anyone now - unless it is another player for our Under 23 squad of thousands 

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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
I don't think FFP applies any more. It is being replaced with a different thing. They are taking advantage of that.

And, for no reason anyone can possibly fathom, we aren't.
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Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 08:34:20 AM
It's reported Ronaldo has agreed terms, this outfit has become the most detested club in the league. There is nothing fair about the way they operate, it seems every other club plays by one set of rules and they by no rules at all.

What are they supposed to have done wrong in this case?

I don't what's left of the FFP rules if anything, but Man City have just clearly decided that nothing applies to them any more.

I'm guessing that they are banking on the inevitable increase in revenue that the Ronaldo circus will bring offsetting the wages (which won't be anything like what he was getting at Juventus) significantly. I imagine their commercial department are excited in a way that they weren't when Ruben Dias came in.

They've also shifted out some or their bigger earners in the last couple of years to make room.  Ake + Dias + Ronaldo + (him) probably isn't that much of a jump from Sane + Otamendi + Silva + Aguero

Assuming they think they can make the numbers add up (or that they think FFP is on its way out), what have they done wrong? They want a player. Player seems to want to come. Player's club is happy for him to leave.

Seems like a pretty bog-standard transfer to me.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 27, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It's reported Ronaldo has agreed terms, this outfit has become the most detested club in the league. There is nothing fair about the way they operate, it seems every other club plays by one set of rules and they by no rules at all.

What are they supposed to have done wrong in this case?

I don't what's left of the FFP rules if anything, but Man City have just clearly decided that nothing applies to them any more.

Yep. FPP for Man City is not an issue. Just pretend you’re complying and ask anyone who suspects they might not be to prove it then wrap the accusation in never ending legality.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2021, 08:57:56 AM
I don't think FFP applies any more. It is being replaced with a different thing. They are taking advantage of that.

And, for no reason anyone can possibly fathom, we aren't.

Yes it seems very odd.
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Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2021, 09:04:44 AM
I don't think FFP applies any more. It is being replaced with a different thing. They are taking advantage of that.

And, for no reason anyone can possibly fathom, we aren't.

Yes it seems very odd.

I wonder if it just a case of our owners being a little cautious with spending and trying to plan ahead and build a bit slower than we as fans would like and not to throw everything at it now?
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 27, 2021, 09:27:48 AM
Was hoping Juve would want Dias in return, as that could mess up Cit€h, but it seems like they want Jesus 😕
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Post by: aev on August 27, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
Most of the clubs that finished above us will have had greater net spend than us. I think we will do well to finish higher than we did last season.
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 27, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
Looking on the bright side, think how pissed off the Manure fans will be if this Ronaldo move goes ahead!

Also, a Certain Silly Boy's transformation from a prince to a frog will be complete as he'll be totally overshadowed by him on and off the pitch, and stuck on the bench!.

Meanwhile, returning to a proper football club, let's beat Brentford tomorrow...

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Post by: johnny from donny on August 27, 2021, 10:07:11 AM
Most of the clubs that finished above us will have had greater net spend than us. I think we will do well to finish higher than we did last season.
It's not about net spend in my opinion,  we've added depth in attacking positions and have more flexibility and options.  There's no point buying players for the sake of it and we don't want to block the pathway for our youth players coming through.
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Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 10:09:59 AM
Most of the clubs that finished above us will have had greater net spend than us. I think we will do well to finish higher than we did last season.

And haven't lost their best player.
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Post by: frank black on August 27, 2021, 10:14:31 AM
I look at the fact we’ve replaced Grealish through strengthening the depth of our attack.

If we do not sign anyone else I suspect we have consolidated mid table position. However if a couple of the younger players play a blinder and we don’t have our usual bleak period, then we may see us finish a couple of places up the table.
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Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2021, 10:18:33 AM
I look at the fact we’ve replaced Grealish through strengthening the depth of our attack.

If we do not sign anyone else I suspect we have consolidated mid table position. However if a couple of the younger players play a blinder and we don’t have our usual bleak period, then we may see us finish a couple of places up the table.

This bleak period is the key to life without Joe. If we can avoid that and also be less reliant on that one player we’ve done very well and should be able to push on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 27, 2021, 10:20:00 AM
Most of the clubs that finished above us will have had greater net spend than us. I think we will do well to finish higher than we did last season.
It's not about net spend in my opinion,  we've added depth in attacking positions and have more flexibility and options.  There's no point buying players for the sake of it and we don't want to block the pathway for our youth players coming through.

It's about materially improving on our league position from last year. It's not about bringing in players for the sake of it, it's about bringing in the right quality, in sufficent numbers, to reach a European spot.

I don't think we have done that as things stand today and, as CD points out, commercially this window seems like such an obvious opportunity to take a massive leap forward when so many other clubs are suffering financially.
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Post by: JD on August 27, 2021, 10:22:52 AM
Fuck it Villa, just offer Brighton 45m for Bissouma and get our transfer window closed.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 27, 2021, 10:26:54 AM
He's a brilliant player, spend the money.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
Can't imagine Brighton would sanction a sale at that price. They've sold white and like Southampton with JWP it would take a massive bid to weaken their team further
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Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 10:33:00 AM
We don’t have a quality DCM and there’s no real sign of one emerging from the kids yet. You can see the difference the likes of Bissouma and Ndidi make, just buy one please Villa.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 27, 2021, 10:35:53 AM
Most of the clubs that finished above us will have had greater net spend than us. I think we will do well to finish higher than we did last season.
It's not about net spend in my opinion,  we've added depth in attacking positions and have more flexibility and options.  There's no point buying players for the sake of it and we don't want to block the pathway for our youth players coming through.

It's about materially improving on our league position from last year. It's not about bringing in players for the sake of it, it's about bringing in the right quality, in sufficent numbers, to reach a European spot.

I don't think we have done that as things stand today and, as CD points out, commercially this window seems like such an obvious opportunity to take a massive leap forward when so many other clubs are suffering financially.

It is a bit odd.

Maybe the amounts spent since promotion necessitate a pause.

I think the squad is probably stronger, but those clubs above us are stronger too.

I think European football is still a way off. We have too many samesy midfielders, and too few good defensively minded ones that make up a solid 3.

Maybe the coaches see it differently, and of course they seem them all day in day out. To me it seems a glaring gap, and many other fans seem to be of the same opinion.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 27, 2021, 10:36:43 AM
I don't think FFP applies any more. It is being replaced with a different thing. They are taking advantage of that.

And, for no reason anyone can possibly fathom, we aren't.

Yes it seems very odd.

I wonder if it just a case of our owners being a little cautious with spending and trying to plan ahead and build a bit slower than we as fans would like and not to throw everything at it now?


I do think us not being considered a *grits teeth* big global name in the contemporary game is a bit of a drag factor when it comes to signing players that'll clearly send us into the upper echelons. I don't imagine it was any parsimony on our part that ended our alleged pursuits of Smith-Rowe and Ward-Prowse. Look at the stories coming out now about McKennie. I bet we've offered him a huge pay rise, yet he's not bitten. Spurs in for him now, it seems. Let's see what happens.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 10:58:11 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

This
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Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 11:02:38 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

This

You were saying he wasn’t being truthful and we’re not done a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 11:15:16 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

Think he's gambling Luiz will hit some form similar to most of 2020. Plus he's still probably waking up at 3am most nights thinking how he's going to fit all of Watkins, Ings, Buendia and Bailey in when all fit.

Can't see us turning over many top half teams compared to last season if we do go with Luiz-McGinn regularly.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 27, 2021, 11:17:20 AM
one injury to McGinn or Luiz and we'll struggle against decent sides.
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Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2021, 11:21:30 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

But that's just it, we don't have a 'piss-poor midfield'. Far from it.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 27, 2021, 11:22:20 AM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

But that's just it, we don't have a 'piss-poor midfield'. Far from it.
just a lack of quality depth?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
If Nakamba ends up needing to play a significant number of games we’ll be in trouble.
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Post by: aev on August 27, 2021, 11:29:38 AM
If Nakamba ends up needing to play a significant number of games we’ll be in trouble.

I think he is better when he is just expected to break up play, so against the better teams.

When we have more of the more ball and we need him to do something with it is when he struggles.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 27, 2021, 11:30:14 AM
Click baity Axel Witsel story out there.  Juve, Roma and Villa at just over £4m.
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Post by: TonyD on August 27, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
If we don’t sign a quality ass kicking DCM, then I would see this window as step backwards given the loss of Jack.  It should have been the first signing and lined up well in advance. 
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Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 11:36:26 AM
If he really is intent on the flat 4-4-2 then he absolutely cannot be serious about going for it with this midfield. It would be a real stretch with Doug and McGinn, never mind if one of them got injured and we either had to play Ramsey out of position or, let's be fair, a player of a lower standard than we need in Nakamba.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 27, 2021, 11:47:22 AM
Wesley having a medical at Brugges.  Watching cricket and surfing the transfer waffle.  Good times, good times.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 12:00:50 PM
Wesley having a medical at Brugges.  Watching cricket and surfing the transfer waffle.  Good times, good times.

Fucking Hell, medicals in Belgium sound like a piece of piss!
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Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 12:03:48 PM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

But that's just it, we don't have a 'piss-poor midfield'. Far from it.

Let's see how many times we get over run in there this season. I think McGinn is good but not top 6 unless he has better around him, he has too many days when his passing is piss poor, or worse. Nakamba breaks it up well, but gives it away equally well and is no more than I lower mid table midfielder. Luiz is potentially the best of them but not consistent. JJ had a  very good game against Newcastle in advanced midfield but didn't create our score, or look like doing so if you are being really critical. Beyond that Sanson had a few games looking lightweight before his injury. For a team that has been bleating about the top 6, that midfield is nowhere near.
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Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 12:17:20 PM
They're not piss poor players but in the wrong system they can be piss poor. Really they want to play in a three, Doug and SJM, and as a deep two are constantly getting caught between various positional obligations.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 12:21:31 PM
Smith has said again this morning he's happy with the squad. I think it will bite him firmly on the arse, one win against a dog awful Newcastle doesn't change our piss poor midfield.

But that's just it, we don't have a 'piss-poor midfield'. Far from it.
just a lack of quality depth?

It's just balance really.

A new DM who's better than Nakamba and then Luiz and McGinn infront and that's decent enough and arguably a top half midfield. So with all the options we have in final third now I'd be optimistic once everyone is fit.

Just feels though as it stands too many decent teams will just play us through too easily as Watford did and we'll throw away too many points from not having a solid base.

Of course we could just keep playing Nakamba but he's one of those who looks solid one week and then abysmal a week later so simply not consistant enough especially with his passing for where we want to go imo.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 27, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
If mcginn is injured it shows how light we are in cm.

Madness not to get another dm in
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 27, 2021, 12:29:30 PM
If he really is intent on the flat 4-4-2 then he absolutely cannot be serious about going for it with this midfield. It would be a real stretch with Doug and McGinn, never mind if one of them got injured and we either had to play Ramsey out of position or, let's be fair, a player of a lower standard than we need in Nakamba.
I can't help feeling that if he's really intent on the flat 4-4-2 it will ultimately cost him his job.
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Post by: dave shelley on August 27, 2021, 12:35:24 PM
If he really is intent on the flat 4-4-2 then he absolutely cannot be serious about going for it with this midfield. It would be a real stretch with Doug and McGinn, never mind if one of them got injured and we either had to play Ramsey out of position or, let's be fair, a player of a lower standard than we need in Nakamba.
I can't help feeling that if he's really intent on the flat 4-4-2 it will ultimately cost him his job.

You just can't afford to be intransigent at this level of football and it appears to me that Smith is.  I hope I'm wrong, we shall see.
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Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2021, 12:37:52 PM
Is everyone wtiting off Doug as the defensive midfielder then? Granted his form dipped but he'd been excellent in that role from when we stayed up until this new year.
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Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
Is everyone wtiting off Doug as the defensive midfielder then? Granted his form dipped but he'd been excellent in that role from when we stayed up until this new year.

In a midfield three I think he can be great there. In a two, he'll need someone other than McGinn alongside him.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 12:42:16 PM
Would be a bit limited of DS just to completely fail because he's now got two top class strikers in the squad.

I can't believe he's just going to take the easy route and play 4-4-2 especially given for the last decade he's largely been 4-2-3-1 at all the clubs he's managed.

Just play Ollie out wide. It's not ideal but pretty much all the top managers do it with at least one of the top forwards they have (Salah, Rashford, Son, Werner etc) and will mean we can press well from out wide so to me that seems the most obvious short term fit.

He did exactly that at Brentford after all when Maupay was there at the same time so seems to me the only logical model for this season.
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Post by: john2710 on August 27, 2021, 12:52:26 PM

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That's what you call a shit midfield & the defence is no better...
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2021, 12:53:08 PM
If mcginn is injured it shows how light we are in cm.

Madness not to get another dm in

I'd imagine Morgan Sanson would be the cover for SJM as he prefers to play on the right from the minutes I've seen him.

Agree completely not bringing in a DM is utter madness bordering on negligence, when world football is still suffering the financial impact of Covid and clubs need to sell to survive. We're in such a privileged position to take advantage of it. I really hope Dean isn't going to try and shoehorn Axel in there.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 12:54:10 PM
Wasn't Watkins a so-so winger under Smith and then the guy after turned him into a striker? Not sure if I want the shit winger back.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 27, 2021, 12:55:22 PM

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That's what you call a shit midfield & the defence is no better...

Karim El Ahmadi........there's a player that I'd completely forgotten about
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Post by: aev on August 27, 2021, 12:57:03 PM
The Witsel link seems to be confirmed by a Belgian journo - he has been offered to us (Witsel, not the journalist).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
Wasn't Watkins a so-so winger under Smith and then the guy after turned him into a striker? Not sure if I want the shit winger back.

No idea how much he played out wide but Maupay was there in 18/19 and Ollie still hit double figures (as he did in 17/18) so I think he can do it at prem level to reasonable degree.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 01:02:12 PM
Wasn't Watkins a so-so winger under Smith and then the guy after turned him into a striker? Not sure if I want the shit winger back.

No idea how much he played out wide but Maupay was there in 18/19 and Ollie still hit double figures (as he did in 17/18) so I think he can do it at prem level to reasonable degree.

yeah my problem is you're messing with a player who got to the verge of the England squad scoring goals and potentially could be a 20+ goals per season striker to make room for Ings.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 27, 2021, 01:14:01 PM
Wasn't Watkins a so-so winger under Smith and then the guy after turned him into a striker? Not sure if I want the shit winger back.

I would be inclined to slot Bailey into Joe's position and Ings/Buendia into the Barkley role with Watkins in his position. I think we need to accept we have more flexibility this season and those players will have to fight for their place. Or a front 6 in a 4-33 like this

Watkins  Ings   Bailey

Buendia Luiz  McGinn
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2021, 01:20:39 PM
We need a centre mid.
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Post by: mrfuse on August 27, 2021, 01:20:54 PM
Apologies if this is has been posted but a couple of reports that Axel Witsel has been offered to us.
These are only currently twitter posts and I don't exactly know what offered to us means.

If there is any truth in this it would be just the signing we would need.

Edit someone has mentioned this as clickybaity stories.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:25 PM
we've all been clamouring for DS to rotate. now he genuinely has options i'd like to think we won't have a settled front 2/3/4 but will play players based on who's best to beat the opposition. my least fav of all the options though is def the ings/watkins 442 formation. i think it just leaves the rest of the side completely unbalanced
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Wasn't Watkins a so-so winger under Smith and then the guy after turned him into a striker? Not sure if I want the shit winger back.

I would be inclined to slot Bailey into Joe's position and Ings/Buendia into the Barkley role with Watkins in his position. I think we need to accept we have more flexibility this season and those players will have to fight for their place. Or a front 6 in a 4-33 like this

Watkins  Ings   Bailey

Buendia Luiz  McGinn


yeah I think Bailey offers us more flexibility. From what i've seen i'd have no problem with him playing left right or central or swapping during a game
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 01:27:40 PM
Dean Smith has never played 4-4-2, and has repeatedly said that he likes three central midfielders because that's where control of the game comes from.
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Post by: OCD on August 27, 2021, 01:28:16 PM

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That's what you call a shit midfield & the defence is no better...

Yeah but they still qualified for the Champions League that season.
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Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Dean Smith has never played 4-4-2, and has repeatedly said that he likes three central midfielders because that's where control of the game comes from.

Yet he specifically and pointedly mentioned the 4-4-2 option when we signed Ings and a lot of generally reliable reports suggest that that's the plan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 01:39:06 PM
Dean Smith has never played 4-4-2, and has repeatedly said that he likes three central midfielders because that's where control of the game comes from.

Yet he specifically and pointedly mentioned the 4-4-2 option when we signed Ings and a lot of generally reliable reports suggest that that's the plan.

Well, you can prove anything with facts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 01:46:17 PM
Could Witsel be almost a Cambiasso type signing for Leicester when Shakespeare was there?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on August 27, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
Doug had a really patchy run of games last season, many were calling for him to be dropped and yet we are going to rely on him to hold the midfield together.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 01:54:17 PM
He's a bit...…….old. Laughing at him having the middle names of Lambert and Angel though
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 27, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
McKennie is not for sale.

The next person to state that we need a cm/dm will burn for all eternity in the lowest pits of hell.  We know...ok?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 01:56:56 PM
Dean Smith has never played 4-4-2, and has repeatedly said that he likes three central midfielders because that's where control of the game comes from.

Yet he specifically and pointedly mentioned the 4-4-2 option when we signed Ings and a lot of generally reliable reports suggest that that's the plan.

Well, you can prove anything with facts.

Ha, let's see if he actually does it. I don't think the first two games of the season provided much evidence in favour of the idea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 27, 2021, 02:00:06 PM
I'm up for a bit of hell. I reckon it's probably more interesting anyway and I'm sure I'd acclimatise... we need a DM.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
I'm up for a bit of hell. I reckon it's probably more interesting anyway and I'm sure I'd acclimatise... we need a DM.

It has to be better than the week I've had... We need a DM
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Morleys left boot on August 27, 2021, 02:18:33 PM
 i just feel we need someone who plays just in front of the back four and gets stuck in and
 puts himself about a bit
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
I think saying we're looking to play 4-4-2 may be a bit basic. Leicester played a chunk of last season with Vardy and Iheanacho but it wasn't a flat 4-4-2 as is being suggested with Watkins and Ings. Vardy played on the shoulder of the last defender and Iheanacho came deep and helped out in midfield when needed. It already seems clear that the intention is for Watkins to play on the shoulder of the last defender, starting the press. Then Ings would come short and means he would have to play as a '10' and help out midfield when needed. That looks more like a version of a 4-2-3-1 to me. That does put a big emphasis on the 2 prongs though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 02:30:16 PM
Sure, but how is that what Ings is best at? Or McGinn? Strikes me as an attempt to replicate what Ings did at Southampton but without the same kind of personnel around him - personnel, let's not forget, who finished below us last year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 02:34:36 PM
Just watched Dean's presser. I know that he's sometimes economical with the truth (for good reason), but he sounded pretty adamant we're not buying anyone else.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 27, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 27, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Just watched Dean's presser. I know that he's sometimes economical with the truth (for good reason), but he sounded pretty adamant we're not buying anyone else.

Well if that's the case, I think we're in trouble unless he's changes the formation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 02:42:05 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?

Is it particularly arrogant? Just seems to be describing what happened.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2021, 02:45:06 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?

Is it particularly arrogant? Just seems to be describing what happened.

The 'big master of negotiations' line feels a bit churlish and unprofessional.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mrfuse on August 27, 2021, 03:03:45 PM
Could Witsel be almost a Cambiasso type signing for Leicester when Shakespeare was there?

Would love to think so but its probably Much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 03:07:50 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?

Is it particularly arrogant? Just seems to be describing what happened.

The 'big master of negotiations' line feels a bit churlish and unprofessional.

Hmm. I wouldn't underestimate how hard it is to be funny in another language. Strikes me that he just tried to pay Levy a compliment in a jokey way, and the nuances of English make it come across differently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 27, 2021, 03:09:01 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?

Is it particularly arrogant? Just seems to be describing what happened.
Yeah, in my view.  As Lee says the 'master of negotiations' part is taking the piss.  He just sounds put out that a club had the audacity not to give him their best player. How dare they?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 03:10:28 PM
That's the way it sounds to me, too. Could be lost in translation, too, as Monty says.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 27, 2021, 03:16:55 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell and it certainly didn't mean we had to sell so far in advance of the transfer window closing. I thought the days of us being a soft touch to players and other clubs was behind us, but seemingly not. Instead despite a disrupted pre-season we roll over too easily. What's to say that won't happen again re Watkins, Martinez or Konsa (clause or no-clause). Our owners have shown everybody has their price and getting replacements isn't always guaranteed. What's purslow on about getting in 3 players to replace dipstick, whilst leaving some glaring gaps unresourced? That's b-llocks especially when one of those players won't be ready till mid-sept at the earliest. Ings is the best of our purchases for where we want to be. Buendia and Bailey probably have bags of potential, but obviously need to deliver on a consistent basis. As regards Tuanzebee and Young these are the signings of a championship side looking for promotion not a side looking to finish in the top 10. For me the owners have lost a little of their shine, as for purslow and lange although Ings brings something proven to the Villa I'm still waiting for that statement signing that will make us fans and other clubs sit up and note that we mean business (especially at a time when ffp means very little I believe) and we're not just a selling club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 03:36:24 PM
Pep on Kane: "Tottenham did not want to negotiate. They didn’t want to talk, so we didn’t talk. We tried to open the door but the big master of negotiations, Daniel Levy, who knows everything, wouldn’t. Maybe I would do the same if I had Harry Kane."

So arrogant.  How dare a club not just hand over their best player.  Wouldn't it be great if every PL club just refused to deal with City?

Is it particularly arrogant? Just seems to be describing what happened.

The 'big master of negotiations' line feels a bit churlish and unprofessional.

Hmm. I wouldn't underestimate how hard it is to be funny in another language.

Tell me about it. Even when I put on my sombrero, poncho and funny little moustache the good burghers of Oaxaca were having not a bar of it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2021, 04:22:41 PM
It's hard to know which to dislike more - Pep and Dan are both loathsome.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: DC1874 on August 27, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
Spot on Abbeyfealeavfc - this is what I was saying recently. The fact is Spuds kept their best player and we did not. I cannot believe we haven't invested in a class DM. People bang on about Leicester having to sell every summer but no-one has mentioned the elephant in the room that for two years on the bounce now they have failed to break the Top 4 cabal. Granted they won the Holy Grail last May and I would certainly take that this year but we need to game-change the situation to break the monopoly the Scab 6 has and if MCFC are blatantly ignoring FFP then so should we - or is this massively wealthy MSWE spiel just that?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 27, 2021, 04:44:10 PM
Smith has lied in the past so we cant take it as gospel but he has said no more signings.

Cant see anyone else
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: murgsy on August 27, 2021, 04:46:30 PM
Wiki already has Witsel as a Villa player :). Gospel!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
If Man City were blatantly breaking FFP rules, why not just offer £150m for Kane and get the deal done?

Sounds like Man City's board have pulled the plug on the Ronaldo deal and sounds like he's probably going to end up at Yanited now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2021, 04:51:52 PM
Wiki already has Witsel as a Villa player :). Gospel!
Not only version.
Is this a transfer 5 years too late?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 27, 2021, 04:57:40 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell

It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2021, 04:58:49 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell and it certainly didn't mean we had to sell so far in advance of the transfer window closing. I thought the days of us being a soft touch to players and other clubs was behind us, but seemingly not. Instead despite a disrupted pre-season we roll over too easily. What's to say that won't happen again re Watkins, Martinez or Konsa (clause or no-clause). Our owners have shown everybody has their price and getting replacements isn't always guaranteed. What's purslow on about getting in 3 players to replace dipstick, whilst leaving some glaring gaps unresourced? That's b-llocks especially when one of those players won't be ready till mid-sept at the earliest. Ings is the best of our purchases for where we want to be. Buendia and Bailey probably have bags of potential, but obviously need to deliver on a consistent basis. As regards Tuanzebee and Young these are the signings of a championship side looking for promotion not a side looking to finish in the top 10. For me the owners have lost a little of their shine, as for purslow and lange although Ings brings something proven to the Villa I'm still waiting for that statement signing that will make us fans and other clubs sit up and note that we mean business (especially at a time when ffp means very little I believe) and we're not just a selling club.

We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go. He wanted to go. So we did the right and decent thing and trousered £100,000,000 to do it. And we got a rat, with absence issues, taste and class issues with a dodgy injury record off our books and replaced him with a top striker, a player who topped the charts for assists, tackles and challenges and a very promising young attacking player in his stead, with change.

Spurs without Kane would be fucked. The value of their existing players means they'd find it harder to replace Kane and improve, than we did. I also think our signing of Ings assisted with that because otherwise Spurs would have been after him to replace Ings.

In terms of the midfield, ours did very well last season and towards the tail end of the season before, utilising Luiz, Nakamba and McGinn. We now have Sanson to add into the mix along with Ramsay and Chukwuemeka and arguably Buendia. We're better off.

Depending on which system we settle on, and there's plenty of speculation on that but nothing concrete, then there may, or may not, be a need for a specific type of player. The other issue is that there are very few of them around. Kante, Rice and Phillips will not be leaving their clubs for ours; yet. We're rumoured to have sniffed around others but they gone to clubs playing Champions League football. Unless we uncover a youthful talent, then it ain't happening. Gone are the days I think, where we spunk cash for the sake of it on someone who isn't good enough.

Our business this summer has been good.

Tuanzebe on loan makes sense whilst our younger players come through.
Young offers a lot, including the right mentality and experience.
Buendia
Bailey,
Ings.

I'd like some better players in too, but let's face it, we'd need to move some on as well which is why it goes to the wire and deals don't get done. No club can sign anyone they want, not even Man City who have missed out on Messi, Kane and Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2021, 05:03:20 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell

It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.

It makes you wonder sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
Gawd help us. A release clause very literally means just that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 27, 2021, 05:08:34 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell and it certainly didn't mean we had to sell so far in advance of the transfer window closing. I thought the days of us being a soft touch to players and other clubs was behind us, but seemingly not. Instead despite a disrupted pre-season we roll over too easily. What's to say that won't happen again re Watkins, Martinez or Konsa (clause or no-clause). Our owners have shown everybody has their price and getting replacements isn't always guaranteed. What's purslow on about getting in 3 players to replace dipstick, whilst leaving some glaring gaps unresourced? That's b-llocks especially when one of those players won't be ready till mid-sept at the earliest. Ings is the best of our purchases for where we want to be. Buendia and Bailey probably have bags of potential, but obviously need to deliver on a consistent basis. As regards Tuanzebee and Young these are the signings of a championship side looking for promotion not a side looking to finish in the top 10. For me the owners have lost a little of their shine, as for purslow and lange although Ings brings something proven to the Villa I'm still waiting for that statement signing that will make us fans and other clubs sit up and note that we mean business (especially at a time when ffp means very little I believe) and we're not just a selling club.



I agree with alot of this. Concerns me that what we've basically said this summer is that if we hadn't sold him there would be no funds available. We will be waiting along time for spurs and arsenal to be so bad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: charlatan on August 27, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go.
We did well to come away with an extra £99m then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go.
We did well to come away with an extra £99m then.

Quite. If anyone played a blinder it was us. Stick in a 7 figure release clause and pocket £100 million.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2021, 05:23:52 PM
We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go.
We did well to come away with an extra £99m then.

ah bollocks. 9. 9. 9.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2021, 05:25:26 PM
We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go.
We did well to come away with an extra £99m then.

ah bollocks. 9. 9. 9.

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Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on August 27, 2021, 06:08:57 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell and it certainly didn't mean we had to sell so far in advance of the transfer window closing. I thought the days of us being a soft touch to players and other clubs was behind us, but seemingly not. Instead despite a disrupted pre-season we roll over too easily. What's to say that won't happen again re Watkins, Martinez or Konsa (clause or no-clause). Our owners have shown everybody has their price and getting replacements isn't always guaranteed. What's purslow on about getting in 3 players to replace dipstick, whilst leaving some glaring gaps unresourced? That's b-llocks especially when one of those players won't be ready till mid-sept at the earliest. Ings is the best of our purchases for where we want to be. Buendia and Bailey probably have bags of potential, but obviously need to deliver on a consistent basis. As regards Tuanzebee and Young these are the signings of a championship side looking for promotion not a side looking to finish in the top 10. For me the owners have lost a little of their shine, as for purslow and lange although Ings brings something proven to the Villa I'm still waiting for that statement signing that will make us fans and other clubs sit up and note that we mean business (especially at a time when ffp means very little I believe) and we're not just a selling club.

We had an agreement (a confidential one) that said if we had an offer of 7 figures then he could go. He wanted to go. So we did the right and decent thing and trousered £100,000,000 to do it. And we got a rat, with absence issues, taste and class issues with a dodgy injury record off our books and replaced him with a top striker, a player who topped the charts for assists, tackles and challenges and a very promising young attacking player in his stead, with change.

Spurs without Kane would be fucked. The value of their existing players means they'd find it harder to replace Kane and improve, than we did. I also think our signing of Ings assisted with that because otherwise Spurs would have been after him to replace Ings.

In terms of the midfield, ours did very well last season and towards the tail end of the season before, utilising Luiz, Nakamba and McGinn. We now have Sanson to add into the mix along with Ramsay and Chukwuemeka and arguably Buendia. We're better off.

Depending on which system we settle on, and there's plenty of speculation on that but nothing concrete, then there may, or may not, be a need for a specific type of player. The other issue is that there are very few of them around. Kante, Rice and Phillips will not be leaving their clubs for ours; yet. We're rumoured to have sniffed around others but they gone to clubs playing Champions League football. Unless we uncover a youthful talent, then it ain't happening. Gone are the days I think, where we spunk cash for the sake of it on someone who isn't good enough.

Our business this summer has been good.

Tuanzebe on loan makes sense whilst our younger players come through.
Young offers a lot, including the right mentality and experience.
Buendia
Bailey,
Ings.

I'd like some better players in too, but let's face it, we'd need to move some on as well which is why it goes to the wire and deals don't get done. No club can sign anyone they want, not even Man City who have missed out on Messi, Kane and Ronaldo.
Pretty much as I see it Drummond, but would still like a midfield addition
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Our midfield is gonna bite Dean in the ass if we don’t bring one more in.
If we lose McGinn or even Luiz for a while then the next in line is beyond poor. Sanson is never fit let alone how they are so confident he can even do it in the prem. Then we have Nakamba (terrible) and kids.
The quality depth is awful.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2021, 06:29:56 PM
In terms of the midfield, ours did very well last season and towards the tail end of the season before, utilising Luiz, Nakamba and McGinn. We now have Sanson to add into the mix along with Ramsay and Chukwuemeka and arguably Buendia. We're better off.

Depending on which system we settle on, and there's plenty of speculation on that but nothing concrete, then there may, or may not, be a need for a specific type of player. The other issue is that there are very few of them around. Kante, Rice and Phillips will not be leaving their clubs for ours; yet. We're rumoured to have sniffed around others but they gone to clubs playing Champions League football. Unless we uncover a youthful talent, then it ain't happening.

Our business this summer has been good.

I'd like some better players in too, but let's face it, we'd need to move some on as well which is why it goes to the wire and deals don't get done.

Sorry to crop your post, Drummond but just a couple of points. Our midfield were not good enough last season; first half yes, second half poor. We all pretty much agreed this summer we needed to bring in a defensive midfielder rather than playing McGinn and Dougie out of position and have at least some competition for Marvelous. On that score nothing has changed.

Unfortunately all the great kids we have not one looks likely they can step up into the DM role. It's a case of we go again..

The other objective this summer was to add some creativity and we've done it exceptionally well, plus we have Ramsey and Chuk that can fill in the Barkley roll.

The 'system we settle on' is where I'm concerned as it looks like we will once again be putting square pegs in round holes. Just because we can't bring in a Kante, Phillips or Rice type, doesn't mean there aren't other options. Right now I'd rather take 31 year old Axel Witsel for a season than not have anybody to challenge Marvelous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 06:31:39 PM
In terms of the midfield, ours did very well last season and towards the tail end of the season before, utilising Luiz, Nakamba and McGinn. We now have Sanson to add into the mix along with Ramsay and Chukwuemeka and arguably Buendia. We're better off.

Depending on which system we settle on, and there's plenty of speculation on that but nothing concrete, then there may, or may not, be a need for a specific type of player. The other issue is that there are very few of them around. Kante, Rice and Phillips will not be leaving their clubs for ours; yet. We're rumoured to have sniffed around others but they gone to clubs playing Champions League football. Unless we uncover a youthful talent, then it ain't happening.

Our business this summer has been good.

I'd like some better players in too, but let's face it, we'd need to move some on as well which is why it goes to the wire and deals don't get done.

Sorry to crop your post, Drummond but just a couple of points. Our midfield were not good enough last season; first half yes, second half poor. We all pretty much agreed this summer we needed to bring in a defensive midfielder rather than playing McGinn and Dougie out of position and have at least some competition for Marvelous. On that score nothing has changed.

Unfortunately all the great kids we have not one looks likely they can step up into the DM role. It's a case of we go again..

The other objective this summer was to add some creativity and we've done it exceptionally well, plus we have Ramsey and Chuk that can fill in the Barkley roll.

The 'system we settle on' is where I'm concerned as it looks like we will once again be putting square pegs in round holes. Just because we can't bring in a Kante, Phillips or Rice type, doesn't mean there aren't other options. Right now I'd rather take 31 year old Axel Witsel for a season than not have anybody to challenge Marvelous.

100% this
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2021, 06:31:54 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell

It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.
we really did not have any choice, we did have to sell, it was in his contract.
the club did well to tie him to a contract last year even if that meant they had to agree to the Break Clause.
there is only 1 person to blame for the idiot leaving. its the the idiot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 06:32:06 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 06:48:45 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league

Still disagree. Assuming you're working on last years table, our midfield isn't "easily" weaker than Shelvey, Willock, Hayden and Hendrick.

Kalvin Phillips is obviously excellent, but I don't think I'd swap ours for him, Dallas and Klich either.

It's a mid-table midfield. That's not "awful".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 06:59:20 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league

Still disagree. Assuming you're working on last years table, our midfield isn't "easily" weaker than Shelvey, Willock, Hayden and Hendrick.

Kalvin Phillips is obviously excellent, but I don't think I'd swap ours for him, Dallas and Klich either.

It's a mid-table midfield. That's not "awful".

Ok, maybe not ‘awful’ but certainly not good enough for a European push
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 27, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
I’d put it as simply a weak link that will most likely mean that we won’t progress this season, may even go backwards. So pretty serious.
Axel Witsel is a good player if there’s any truth in that although he has had an injury. Would I take him over signing no one? Obviously
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
Axel Witsel is a good player if there’s any truth in that although he has had an injury.

He'll fit right in then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 27, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell

It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.

It's interesting you state "we are obliged to inform him of it (the offer) and allow him to talk to them" but side-stepped the issue of when to sell. Aug 31st would have been time enough for me to disrupt dipstick and man
sh-tty, as we've been disrupted. I get that it was dipstick's decision to go once the clause had been activated and neglected to make this clear on my original post, but managing it was down to our owners and making parties wait would have been my preferred route. I guess most if not all on here are on a merry-go-round judging by contributions and as I've contributed little on this thread I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.
Regarding our midfield (mainly last season's) and our new additions, a lot of players look good on paper, it's when they're in the 1st 11 or active subs that count. With the business we've done so far allied to an existing midfield of Nakamba, McGinn, Luiz and Ramsey it may yet take some time to settle and that's without a commanding cdm that I think most of us would like to see.
I hope the plan comes together, but won't be surprised if there are hiccups and frustrations.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 07:08:14 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league

Still disagree. Assuming you're working on last years table, our midfield isn't "easily" weaker than Shelvey, Willock, Hayden and Hendrick.

Kalvin Phillips is obviously excellent, but I don't think I'd swap ours for him, Dallas and Klich either.

It's a mid-table midfield. That's not "awful".

Ok, maybe not ‘awful’ but certainly not good enough for a European push

Probably fair. I'm possibly being unnecessarily picky, but given the number of *actually* terrible midfields we've been burdened with over the last decade it sets my teeth on edge somewhat!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 27, 2021, 07:08:38 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league

Still disagree. Assuming you're working on last years table, our midfield isn't "easily" weaker than Shelvey, Willock, Hayden and Hendrick.

Kalvin Phillips is obviously excellent, but I don't think I'd swap ours for him, Dallas and Klich either.

It's a mid-table midfield. That's not "awful".

Ok, maybe not ‘awful’ but certainly not good enough for a European push

I think I might have posted on this thread, maybe another, weeks ago, that I didn’t think a central midfield of McGinn and Luiz (or Nakamba) was a top six midfield. I think the not a top 12 midfield, probably isn’t right. Daves already mentioned Leeds and Newcastle and I’d add Arsenal to that. I think it’s probably a central midfield that finishes top ten or similar to last year. Obviously don’t know how the defence goes or creative areas will do.
I wouldn’t know, but they seem to be banking on both Ramsey progressing rapidly and Sanson being the player we need once he’s not injured.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 07:17:06 PM
The quality depth is awful.

Dunno about "awful". Burnley keep muddling along with a central two of Westwood and Jack Cork, with Dale Stephens and Josh Brownhill in reserve and nobody else. I'd describe that as awful.

Our strength in depth in central midfield is "not as good as it is in other areas".

This is point. Allegedly our ambitions are greater than the likes of Burnley. We easily have the weakest midfielders in top 12 of the league

Still disagree. Assuming you're working on last years table, our midfield isn't "easily" weaker than Shelvey, Willock, Hayden and Hendrick.

Kalvin Phillips is obviously excellent, but I don't think I'd swap ours for him, Dallas and Klich either.

It's a mid-table midfield. That's not "awful".

Ok, maybe not ‘awful’ but certainly not good enough for a European push

Probably fair. I'm possibly being unnecessarily picky, but given the number of *actually* terrible midfields we've been burdened with over the last decade it sets my teeth on edge somewhat!

Fair. I’m being more critical based on European ambitions etc. Would love us to get a Soucek or someone of that ilk. We are just that one player away from being a top top side imo
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
I think it's 1 injury to Luiz or McGinn from being a 12-20th midfield. All fit 9th-12th at best.

It is very samey, there are not a lot of goals in it, or indeed great range of passing or tackling. They run about a lot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2021, 07:21:16 PM
If McGinn can recapture that goal scoring form from his first season and for Scotland that would certainly help. Also hopefully with Bailey and EMI in the side we have goals in them too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2021, 07:22:24 PM
My issue with the midfield is that it's very samey. We have lots of options as general box to box players who are reasonably neat and tidy, have decent engines, etc. What we haven't really got is anyone who stands out in any way. That's not terrible but it does limit how we can setup. A proper defensive option (but better than Nakamba who is too similar to Yacouba Sylla for my liking) would help us in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
The balance West Ham have with Soucek and Rice is exceptionally good, and will be what sees them finish top 8 again this season. Scouting and finding players like Soucek and Coufal has been utterly brilliant there. We need to be doing that kind of thing.
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Post by: Ads on August 27, 2021, 07:40:47 PM
Bottom of the league? Jesus.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: supertom on August 27, 2021, 08:00:46 PM
With Ronaldo now at Utd and every non Utd fan feeling nauseous at the circle jerk surrounding the prodigal sons return, I would guess there's going to be a bit of a rumble with clubs after Lingard. I think he could offer something to our midfield. I think we should be among the 4-5 clubs who'll go for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2021, 08:07:03 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.

Agreed, comes across as a similar attitude to Lansbury, plays well when there might be a new contract on offer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on August 27, 2021, 08:11:06 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.

With an added few weeks out with injury.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.

Also we're fairly well set for attack minded players. We need the hard but good player in the middle, like Soucek, Kante, Ndidi or Bissouma. Somebody like that would make such a big difference to us, it's pissing me off that in our third year back in the Premier League we still haven't gone for somebody of that ilk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.

Also we're fairly well set for attack minded players. We need the hard but good player in the middle, like Soucek, Kante, Ndidi or Bissouma. Somebody like that would make such a big difference to us, it's pissing me off that in our third year back in the Premier League we still haven't gone for somebody of that ilk.

I'd say longer than that, to be honest. Townsend perhaps the last we had that was really top class?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 08:24:59 PM
Interesting what DS said today, could be looked at as we're done spending 30m on someone after the failed Ward Prowse bid but if a decent midfielder is offered on loan....

I think that could be pretty sensible, other clubs do it all the time and finish above us with ease and then look again at the market next summer as we have settled defence now and will surely not need any more attackers next summer so that will be the first quality over quantity window we've had in a very long time (should've happened this summer but for you know who).

Just get bad visions of someone like Harry Winks turning up on loan last minute like Cleverley a few seasons back so rather not bother if that's the best we could get.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 08:25:22 PM
No thanks. Six months of quality after years of mediocrity. You can guarantee we would get the mediocre version.

Also we're fairly well set for attack minded players. We need the hard but good player in the middle, like Soucek, Kante, Ndidi or Bissouma. Somebody like that would make such a big difference to us, it's pissing me off that in our third year back in the Premier League we still haven't gone for somebody of that ilk.

I'd say longer than that, to be honest. Townsend perhaps the last we had that was really top class?

Yes, but I've tried to block out most of the intervening years. And you've cruelly forgotten Mark Kinsella. David O'Leary was right....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 08:28:15 PM
Petrov settled into the DM role really well, so clever at winning free kicks and reading the game and we didn't half miss his leadership in there when he had to stop playing because of the awful illness.

Westwood looked at one stage like he might develop into similar but got found out as soon as Delph went.

Jedinak might've been effective if we'd signed him 2-3 years earlier. By the time he came in he had little mobility so could only really win headers. Same for Whelan although he did better in 18/19.

Certainly feels like a position where we've winged it over the last decade compared to other areas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
Yes Petrov did well once O'Neill worked out he wasn't a winger. Milner wasn't a specialist DM but he was such a complete midfielder that it feels wrong to exclude him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2021, 08:36:37 PM
Petrov settled into the DM role really well, so clever at winning free kicks and reading the game and we didn't half miss his leadership in there when he had to stop playing because of the awful illness.

Westwood looked at one stage like he might develop into similar but got found out as soon as Delph went.

Jedinak might've been effective if we'd signed him 2-3 years earlier. By the time he came in he had little mobility so could only really win headers. Same for Whelan although he did better in 18/19.

Certainly feels like a position where we've winged it over the last decade compared to other areas.

I don’t get the lack of investment in that area. We have more expensive full backs than any fee we’ve paid for a CM. Not saying bid fee = sure thing but it defo helps. We’re happy to spend £30m on players who’ve never kicked a ball in the Prem yet seem reluctant to properly go big on a quality CM. We’ve just pocketed £100m. We were willing to spend £30m on JWP. Why not spend that type of money on a Weston, Bissouma or even £20m on an Anguissa type. Just doesn’t add up
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 08:50:12 PM
The other thing that gets me is that notoriously after major tournaments players have dips and injuries during the season due to lack of rest. Add on top that Bailey, Emi x2 and Luiz could miss significant numbers of games after internationals this season due to quarantine and match times, plus Bert and Nakamba likely to be missing for significant time with the AFCON. Its not stockpiling players, its having a squad that can cope.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2021, 09:01:20 PM
I think the problem is we've signed loads of midfielders so not unreasonable for Lange or perhaps even the owners to say to DS, hang on you signed Sanson for 18m just in January so get him fit and in the team.

Luiz and Nakamba cost 30m between them and neither leaving the club just yet.

We certainly do lack a pure DM though. Could muddle through last season given the quality we had out on the left but certainly feels like a good team will expose it big time while we re-adjust the forward line and we'll be playing a few in September and October.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 09:30:46 PM
I think the problem is we've signed loads of midfielders so not unreasonable for Lange or perhaps even the owners to say to DS, hang on you signed Sanson for 18m just in January so get him fit and in the team.


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Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 09:32:23 PM
Given that we have a defined way of playing throughout the age groups, it could be that Lange/Dean/whoever has decided that we don't want to play with a specific DM in the side?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Yes but who else do you think Smith wants to sign?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 27, 2021, 09:34:11 PM
Given that we have a defined way of playing throughout the age groups, it could be that Lange/Dean/whoever has decided that we don't want to play with a specific DM in the side?

Not sure about that lindley, sylla, raihky and appiah have all been genuine DMs for the u23 and u18 over the last year or so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2021, 09:34:46 PM
FFS Smith, sign some players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KNVillan on August 27, 2021, 09:35:03 PM
Bloody Hell SE you’ll be saying Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment next…
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 09:36:52 PM
Given that we have a defined way of playing throughout the age groups, it could be that Lange/Dean/whoever has decided that we don't want to play with a specific DM in the side?

Not sure about that lindley, sylla, raihky and appiah have all been genuine DMs for the u23 and u18 over the last year or so.

Fair enough. I was just asking the question. It just seems to me that whenever the scouts on this thread get increasingly frustrated that their targets aren't being captured, it could be that the people in charge aren't thinking like them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 27, 2021, 09:41:58 PM
I think the problem is we've signed loads of midfielders so not unreasonable for Lange or perhaps even the owners to say to DS, hang on you signed Sanson for 18m just in January so get him fit and in the team.


Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment.

Brilliant.
There is also the possibility that targets aren't available or players need to leave before anymore are signed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
I think the problem is we've signed loads of midfielders so not unreasonable for Lange or perhaps even the owners to say to DS, hang on you signed Sanson for 18m just in January so get him fit and in the team.


Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment Dean Smith isn't in charge of recruitment.

Brilliant.
There is also the possibility that targets aren't available or players need to leave before anymore are signed.

Why would players have to leave first? That’s just excuse making for mediocrity in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 09:48:23 PM
A player has left. There's money available.

Also, Smith isn't 'in charge' of recruitment like an old school manager, but he has a strong influence by all accounts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 09:49:40 PM
A player has left. There's money available.

Also, Smith isn't 'in charge' of recruitment like an old school manager, but he has a strong influence by all accounts.

Which accounts are these?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 09:54:24 PM
A player has left. There's money available.

Also, Smith isn't 'in charge' of recruitment like an old school manager, but he has a strong influence by all accounts.

Which accounts are these?

It would be a rather odd coincidence for us to end up with Konsa and Watkins from his former club if he had literally nothing to do with it.

Not impossible. Just odd.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 09:56:29 PM
A player has left. There's money available.

Also, Smith isn't 'in charge' of recruitment like an old school manager, but he has a strong influence by all accounts.

Which accounts are these?

It would be a rather odd coincidence for us to end up with Konsa and Watkins from his former club if he had literally nothing to do with it.

Not impossible. Just odd.

I didn't say he had nothing to do with it. I was replying to SHQ, who implied that Lange would be holding DS to account about signings. Lange ultimately carries the can for signings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on August 27, 2021, 09:57:03 PM
Our midfield is gonna bite Dean in the ass if we don’t bring one more in.
If we lose McGinn or even Luiz for a while then the next in line is beyond poor. Sanson is never fit let alone how they are so confident he can even do it in the prem. Then we have Nakamba (terrible) and kids.
The quality depth is awful.

Smith claimed the club had been scouting Sanson for quite some time last January..it's starting to sound a bit like Bruce and Scott Hogan at this stage...hardly a peep about how his recovery is going. In any case Sanson isn't the genuine number 6 we need and I don't think Smith has ever been clear on what midfield setup he wants in there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 10:02:54 PM
A player has left. There's money available.

Also, Smith isn't 'in charge' of recruitment like an old school manager, but he has a strong influence by all accounts.

Which accounts are these?

It would be a rather odd coincidence for us to end up with Konsa and Watkins from his former club if he had literally nothing to do with it.

Not impossible. Just odd.

I didn't say he had nothing to do with it. I was replying to SHQ, who implied that Lange would be holding DS to account about signings. Lange ultimately carries the can for signings.

Sure. But given we've spend at least forty or so million pounds on players who (logic would suggest) were more at the behest of Smith than Lange or his predecessor, Smith having a "strong influence" on transfers isn't really an outlandish suggestion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 27, 2021, 10:05:52 PM
In the Pitarch days, I think it was really easy to spot the Smith signings, and the Suso signings. It’s also very obvious why only one of those men is still in a job.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
No, it's not. But somebody else ultimately has the responsibility.

I had a meeting with a potential client today,where I made a recommendation. She said, "really?!" and I replied, "yes. But I would say that. It's your company. You have to decide."

Same thing*.


*To a degree!

Edit: I was replying to Dave!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2021, 10:21:44 PM
Percy, Gregggggg Evans, etc. Lange is head of recruitment, but they do also rely on Smith's assessment of the team's strengths and weaknesses to a large degree.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2021, 10:28:00 PM
Dean Smith is absolutely in charge of which players he wants.  Lange is in charge of signing them and all recruitment.  Dean Smith says, I want so and so, Lange is then charged with getting him in.  There is no way that Dean Smith did not select the likes of Konsa, Buendia, Mings, Cash, Watkins or Ings.  He needed help from Pitarch when we first came back up, which is why we signed some crap, with Pitarch paying for it with his job.  Smith may not want to sign all of the players we have brought in but he has a real healthy say in who does come in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 10:32:43 PM
Percy, Gregggggg Evans, etc. Lange is head of recruitment, but they do also rely on Smith's assessment of the team's strengths and weaknesses to a large degree.

You'd kind of hope that's how it should be. If he had no input at all on (at the very least) the type of player he feels the team needs then he might as well not be there.

If he's worked out a world beating 3-5-2 plan and Lange keeps bringing him defensive full backs, then things aren't really working as they should.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2021, 10:33:05 PM
I see Watford signed Sissoko from Spurs today.  We could have done with him for a season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TonyD on August 27, 2021, 10:39:29 PM
Axel Witsel seems to be incoming.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 10:39:29 PM
Percy, Gregggggg Evans, etc. Lange is head of recruitment, but they do also rely on Smith's assessment of the team's strengths and weaknesses to a large degree.

You'd kind of hope that's how it should be. If he had no input at all on (at the very least) the type of player he feels the team needs then he might as well not be there.

If he's worked out a world beating 3-5-2 plan and Lange keeps bringing him defensive full backs, then things aren't really working as they should.

Nobody has suggested that that's how it works.

And, also, Dean is a good and decent man who would never recommend a 3-5-2 as a permanent solution to anything other than the result of a dog race.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2021, 10:43:24 PM
Axel Witsel seems to be incoming.

According to whom? He played ninety minutes for Dortmund two hours ago, which suggests it's not completely imminent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2021, 10:45:43 PM
Axel Witsel seems to be incoming.

According to whom? He played ninety minutes for Dortmund two hours ago, which suggests it's not completely imminent.

And is on 140k a week. And wanted by Mourinho at Roma. Its just not happening.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 27, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell


It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.

It's interesting you state "we are obliged to inform him of it (the offer) and allow him to talk to them" but side-stepped the issue of when to sell. Aug 31st would have been time enough for me to disrupt dipstick and man
sh-tty, as we've been disrupted. I get that it was dipstick's decision to go once the clause had been activated and neglected to make this clear on my original post, but managing it was down to our owners and making parties wait would have been my preferred route. I guess most if not all on here are on a merry-go-round judging by contributions and as I've contributed little on this thread I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.

I personally think this is not as clear as appears.

Luis Suarez had a release clause in his Liverpool contract of £40m and Arsenal bid a quid over it in 2014. Despite this, Liverpool refused to do business. 6 months later, they sold him to Barcelona for £75m.

Maybe Barnett negotiated a tighter contract for his client then Suarez's did as things have moved on since 2014? But as a gut feeling, I'm not so sure the owners were as sad to see Joe leave as some may think. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2021, 10:54:35 PM
I think the problem is we've signed loads of midfielders so not unreasonable for Lange or perhaps even the owners to say to DS, hang on you signed Sanson for 18m just in January so get him fit and in the team.


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Is Dean Smith in charge of recruiting?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 27, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
I think I speak for myself and Sexual Ealing when I say what the hell is Dean playing at, hurry up and sign someone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 27, 2021, 11:00:28 PM
Sissoko at £2.5m is a bargain, missed out there I think

I don’t want loads of ageing players but he would have been decent.

If Witsel is available then for around the £5m being mentioned he would improve us in the short term (2 years) right away,
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 27, 2021, 11:02:44 PM
Sissoko has about one good game a season. Bullet dodged
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 27, 2021, 11:06:47 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell


It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.

It's interesting you state "we are obliged to inform him of it (the offer) and allow him to talk to them" but side-stepped the issue of when to sell. Aug 31st would have been time enough for me to disrupt dipstick and man
sh-tty, as we've been disrupted. I get that it was dipstick's decision to go once the clause had been activated and neglected to make this clear on my original post, but managing it was down to our owners and making parties wait would have been my preferred route. I guess most if not all on here are on a merry-go-round judging by contributions and as I've contributed little on this thread I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.

I personally think this is not as clear as appears.

Luis Suarez had a release clause in his Liverpool contract of £40m and Arsenal bid a quid over it in 2014. Despite this, Liverpool refused to do business. 6 months later, they sold him to Barcelona for £75m.

Maybe Barnett negotiated a tighter contract for his client then Suarez's did as things have moved on since 2014? But as a gut feeling, I'm not so sure the owners were as sad to see Joe leave as some may think. 

Why is your gut feeling more valuable than the words spoken by the actual CEO?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 27, 2021, 11:33:52 PM
As much as I dislike them, spuds and levy have played a blinder in the whole kane situation showing they are not a feeder club unlike ourselves. Our naivity never fails to disappoint. If there was a clause regarding grealish which allowed him to talk to sh-tty, that still didn't mean we had to sell


It did! It's exactly what it means. There was a clause in his contract that states if someone meets a certain price, in his case £100m, we are obliged to inform him of it and allow him to talk to them.

It's like being stuck on a merry-go-round on here sometimes.

It's interesting you state "we are obliged to inform him of it (the offer) and allow him to talk to them" but side-stepped the issue of when to sell. Aug 31st would have been time enough for me to disrupt dipstick and man
sh-tty, as we've been disrupted. I get that it was dipstick's decision to go once the clause had been activated and neglected to make this clear on my original post, but managing it was down to our owners and making parties wait would have been my preferred route. I guess most if not all on here are on a merry-go-round judging by contributions and as I've contributed little on this thread I'm certainly entitled to my opinion.

I personally think this is not as clear as appears.

Luis Suarez had a release clause in his Liverpool contract of £40m and Arsenal bid a quid over it in 2014. Despite this, Liverpool refused to do business. 6 months later, they sold him to Barcelona for £75m.

Maybe Barnett negotiated a tighter contract for his client then Suarez's did as things have moved on since 2014? But as a gut feeling, I'm not so sure the owners were as sad to see Joe leave as some may think. 

Why is your gut feeling more valuable than the words spoken by the actual CEO?

Never said it was. It's certainly more difficult to build a project around a player you think may leave each summer. And the club seem to have always had it in mind that JG would leave. The signings made, the relative speed of them and the explanation given for each suggest that they've been planning for life without for him for some time. JG going simplifies things as they won't have to plan for a potential departure every transfer window. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2021, 12:11:46 AM
He did miss half the season through injury and we saw our creativity drop off. Seems perfectly sensible to sign players so that we wouldn't be so reliant on him, even if he had stayed.

Between his recurring shin issues and his off the field antics, I'm sure seeing £100m coming in they could see the upside.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Vegas on August 28, 2021, 05:46:15 AM
I think I speak for myself and Sexual Ealing when I say what the hell is Dean playing at, hurry up and sign someone.

I also think Dean should pull his finger out and get to work building the new North Stand.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 28, 2021, 07:12:08 AM
Thing is, a DM is not an expensive purchase IMO unless you're aiming for a Rice or a Kante. All you need is to be able to win the ball, keep it and pass it. Nakamba does the first bit ok, the 2nd and 3rd bits not so much, but you should be able to get someone who does that reasonably well without paying 30m especially when you can get 3/4 years out of a 29 year old. I still think someone will come in, but if not then I don't think Smith think it's essential or he thinks Luis can do it. I think he's wrong because he's underestimated how much pressure ratboy took off the midfield but there you go.
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Post by: Ads on August 28, 2021, 07:37:09 AM
I assume we have an FFP problem with no more incomings and a yawning chasm in defensive midfield. The squad is good enough for 12-9th midtable, which isn't bad. However, it's not capable of the apparent stated aim of European qualification.

It's disappointing that the impetus isn't there this season to try and push on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 28, 2021, 07:44:54 AM
I think I speak for myself and Sexual Ealing when I say what the hell is Dean playing at, hurry up and sign someone.

I also think Dean should pull his finger out and get to work building the new North Stand.

🤣
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2021, 07:54:43 AM
I assume we have an FFP problem with no more incomings and a yawning chasm in defensive midfield. The squad is good enough for 12-9th midtable, which isn't bad. However, it's not capable of the apparent stated aim of European qualification.

It's disappointing that the impetus isn't there this season to try and push on.

I just can't see FFP being the issue. We've got a huge boost to profit from the fact that all of Greasy's transfer fee is pure profit, whereas the players we've bought will all be amortised over the coming years. Then we were supposedly offering him a huge new deal, which you would think wouldn't be a million miles from what we're paying his replacements.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 28, 2021, 08:03:23 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 28, 2021, 08:09:52 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.

I don't think its that. Just a desire to run a club reasonably within means which after all is what the Sky4 do most of the time. If you haven't got the commercial and CL revenue coming in then maybe it makes sense to spread the grealish transfer money over a few years and people forget we haven't even got the 100m. Its being paid in instalments.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 28, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
I assume we have an FFP problem with no more incomings and a yawning chasm in defensive midfield. The squad is good enough for 12-9th midtable, which isn't bad. However, it's not capable of the apparent stated aim of European qualification.

It's disappointing that the impetus isn't there this season to try and push on.

I just can't see FFP being the issue. We've got a huge boost to profit from the fact that all of Greasy's transfer fee is pure profit, whereas the players we've bought will all be amortised over the coming years. Then we were supposedly offering him a huge new deal, which you would think wouldn't be a million miles from what we're paying his replacements.
I think dipstick's transfer fee is distorting things here. We've spent near enough £300m in 3 seasons. If we carry on at that rate with no incomings, then FFP or whatever replaces it will catch up with us.

We can also only buy the players that are available, at the price they're available at. If we think the only way of bringing in (say) JWP would be to pay massively over the odds for him, it's absolutely right that we've pulled back from that. Because once we start doing that, everyone's going to be adding £5m or £10m to the transfer fee, and bumping up the players wages to match.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 28, 2021, 08:15:19 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.

I don't think its that. Just a desire to run a club reasonably within means which after all is what the Sky4 do most of the time. If you haven't got the commercial and CL revenue coming in then maybe it makes sense to spread the grealish transfer money over a few years and people forget we haven't even got the 100m. Its being paid in instalments.

That’s what i’m hoping is the case. Looking at what Arsenal have been saddled with, I’m grateful we don’t have those guys and we have NSWE. They’ve been great for us. I just hope they don’t see a ceiling for Villa and keep believing in us and push us through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2021, 08:48:06 AM
I assume we have an FFP problem with no more incomings and a yawning chasm in defensive midfield. The squad is good enough for 12-9th midtable, which isn't bad. However, it's not capable of the apparent stated aim of European qualification.
It's disappointing that the impetus isn't there this season to try and push on.
I just can't see FFP being the issue. We've got a huge boost to profit from the fact that all of Greasy's transfer fee is pure profit, whereas the players we've bought will all be amortised over the coming years. Then we were supposedly offering him a huge new deal, which you would think wouldn't be a million miles from what we're paying his replacements.
I'm not inclined to think that FFP is a blocker to any further dealings.
I'm concluding that DS does not see the DMF role as necessary. He seems to want to play three interchangeable midfielders who can all do the passing, pressing, scoring and backtracking role. His use of Nakamba has been reasonably sparing, bringing him into the side only when others are not available and using him as a subb to see out a game.
It's not necessarily how I'd do it but that's what I'm seeing.
Of course, there maybe someone about to join that will blow my comments out of the water ...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2021, 09:04:35 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.

I don't think its that. Just a desire to run a club reasonably within means which after all is what the Sky4 do most of the time. If you haven't got the commercial and CL revenue coming in then maybe it makes sense to spread the grealish transfer money over a few years and people forget we haven't even got the 100m. Its being paid in instalments.

The instalments thing is irrelevant, surely? We know it's coming in, and it's not like our owners are cash poor until it does. Also, we'll be paying the selling clubs for Greasy's replacements in installments too, so whichever wau you look at, it's net spend and cash neutral.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 09:13:01 AM
The fact that Edens and associates have trademarked the name "Las Vegas Villains" with a view to adding them to the MLS makes it very unlikely that he's planning to sell, IMO. Why would he want to spend hundreds of millions buying a team and giving them a Villa-themed name if he had no long-term interest in Villa?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 28, 2021, 09:27:11 AM
They aren't selling.

We've no idea whether or not we'll buy more players. We'd like more but we don't know.

I've no doubt the recruitment team are having conversations all over the place, some with a view to next summer, or January and there may be an opportunity for now too. As an example, Sanson was available early and we got him.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 28, 2021, 10:41:10 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.

I don't think its that. Just a desire to run a club reasonably within means which after all is what the Sky4 do most of the time. If you haven't got the commercial and CL revenue coming in then maybe it makes sense to spread the grealish transfer money over a few years and people forget we haven't even got the 100m. Its being paid in instalments.

The instalments thing is irrelevant, surely? We know it's coming in, and it's not like our owners are cash poor until it does. Also, we'll be paying the selling clubs for Greasy's replacements in installments too, so whichever wau you look at, it's net spend and cash neutral.


I think you know more about that side of things than I do. I'm just going by what's been said. i.e. we're getting the ratboy money over two years so some now, some next summer and some the summer after. What form that takes (50% now, 50% down the line?) I don't know, but it could have played some part in the payment terms we offered Norwich etc..' and maybe the possibility of spending some of it in January. All I really know is we've posted two big losses, and in the last accounts some revenue will appear in the next accounts for some reason which should help the FFP if I read it right..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 28, 2021, 10:45:33 AM
As a extremely cynical person, getting the books in a good state of being has been a precursor for trying to sell a club in the past.

I don't think its that. Just a desire to run a club reasonably within means which after all is what the Sky4 do most of the time. If you haven't got the commercial and CL revenue coming in then maybe it makes sense to spread the grealish transfer money over a few years and people forget we haven't even got the 100m. Its being paid in instalments.

The instalments thing is irrelevant, surely? We know it's coming in, and it's not like our owners are cash poor until it does. Also, we'll be paying the selling clubs for Greasy's replacements in installments too, so whichever wau you look at, it's net spend and cash neutral.


I think you know more about that side of things than I do. I'm just going by what's been said. i.e. we're getting the ratboy money over two years so some now, some next summer and some the summer after. What form that takes (50% now, 50% down the line?) I don't know, but it could have played some part in the payment terms we offered Norwich etc..' and maybe the possibility of spending some of it in January. All I really know is we've posted two big losses, and in the last accounts some revenue will appear in the next accounts for some reason which should help the FFP if I read it right..
Yeah, that's how I see it. We've spent c.£300m in the last 3 seasons, I'd guess we've recouped £110m or so now (Grealish, Engels, Samatta?). So more like £65m/season net spend. Guessing we look alright in terms of FFP, or whatever replaces it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:00:19 AM
If the plan is to go for some sort of 4-3-3 with a 4* and two 8s, maybe converting Buendia into one of them (which I reckon he could do once he's up to speed, he's feisty enough), then that negates the need for another DM in my view. Something like:

------------Luiz---------------
----Buendia--McGinn-------
Bailey----------------Watkins
------------Ings---------------

I think that's fluid, varied, compact when it needs to be and full of energy. Just need them all to be less bastard injured.


*Tired of this '6' business. A 6 is a centre-back. We are not in Spain.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2021, 11:00:24 AM
We must be the only club that is worrying about FFP.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:02:39 AM
Just us and Norwich.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 28, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
Not sure that's true. Think I mentioned it on here but chelsea have already got the Lukaku money back in outgoings and when Zouma and about 3 other players go they'll be in profit. It's all the 10m type sales that add up and unfortunately we've had 1 player that we've sold for anything.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2021, 11:15:24 AM
Sissoko at £2.5m is a bargain, missed out there I think
Yes he is but only if it includes his favourite easy chair in the package.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 28, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
If the plan is to go for some sort of 4-3-3 with a 4* and two 8s, maybe converting Buendia into one of them (which I reckon he could do once he's up to speed, he's feisty enough), then that negates the need for another DM in my view. Something like:

------------Luiz---------------
----Buendia--McGinn-------
Bailey----------------Watkins
------------Ings---------------

I think that's fluid, varied, compact when it needs to be and full of energy. Just need them all to be less bastard injured.


*Tired of this '6' business. A 6 is a centre-back. We are not in Spain.

Really? On an Aston Villa site you're going to insist 6 is not a midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
Agreed. 4 and 5 are central defenders. 6 is a midfielder.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
If the plan is to go for some sort of 4-3-3 with a 4* and two 8s, maybe converting Buendia into one of them (which I reckon he could do once he's up to speed, he's feisty enough), then that negates the need for another DM in my view. Something like:

------------Luiz---------------
----Buendia--McGinn-------
Bailey----------------Watkins
------------Ings---------------

I think that's fluid, varied, compact when it needs to be and full of energy. Just need them all to be less bastard injured.


*Tired of this '6' business. A 6 is a centre-back. We are not in Spain.

Really? On an Aston Villa site you're going to insist 6 is not a midfielder?

Mortimer is the exception who proves the rule. Barry got the number as a defender then moved into midfield. We may have a bit of a club Thing about it, but the fact remains that in English football the more defensive central midfielder is traditionally designated 4.

I mean, otherwise where does it stop? 2 and 3 as centre backs? Sub goalie mandatorily getting number 12? It's a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:25:37 AM
Sorry, but that's just nonsense. 4 and 5 are centre halves. I appreciate other lineups have been tried in football history, but 4 and 5 in defence is the standard.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Perhaps I'm mad, but I've always thought 6 was a defender. I even remember reading about why a few years ago. Am I losing my mind?

Anyway, whatever the number, Luiz can play in the midfield bit that's closest to the defenders, whatever their numbers. And Buendia can play 8 (we all agree that 8 is a midfielder, right?).

Edit: so a bit of digging seems to show that 4 was the most common number for a central defender and 6 for defensive midfielder, but vice-versa was the second most common. I always assumed there was a universal standard like in rugby, but apparently not.
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Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2021, 11:31:30 AM
Perhaps I'm mad, but I've always thought 6 was a defender. I even remember reading about why a few years ago. Am I losing my mind?

Anyway, whatever the number, Luiz can play in the midfield bit that's closest to the defenders, whatever their numbers. And Buendia can play 8 (we all agree that 8 is a midfielder, right?).

No, 6 can be centre half with 4 as a centre mid, in my book.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 11:32:37 AM
I was an 8, and I played it very much like my politics. I veered towards the left wing and hoped nobody asked me any difficult questions.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
It can be. But 4 and 5 is the standard and dismissing the idea of having a 6 in midfield as some modern Spanish fad is a crazy take. Don't let him persuade you, Lee. He only wants to count 6 as a defender as a way of sneaking in five at the back when we aren't looking. He can't be trusted.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 11:34:01 AM
It can be. But 4 and 5 is the standard and dismissing the idea of having a 6 in midfield as some modern Spanish fad is a crazy take. Don't let him persuade you, Lee. He only wants to count 6 as a defender as a way of sneaking in five at the back when we aren't looking. He can't be trusted.

I agree with cd.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
Not going there. You have a problem? Take it up with Conte and Tuchel's medal collections.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
They'd have won far more playing a proper formation. In any case, I can't imagine either has picked a team comprising numbers 1-11 any time recently.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 11:36:54 AM
Take it up with John Gregory's.
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Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2021, 11:38:22 AM
Sorry, but that's just nonsense. 4 and 5 are centre halves. I appreciate other lineups have been tried in football history, but 4 and 5 in defence is the standard.
Noooo. Sacrilege spoken here go and seek redemption. 5 and 6 always central defenders, always and 4 the almighty destroyer in midfield. Brian Godfrey was 4 and that says it all.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:38:37 AM
Take it up with John Gregory's.

Or Brian Little's?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:40:45 AM
6 can be a central defender. 4 and 5 is standard. Monty suggested that having a number 6 in midfield was some modern Spanish fad. It clearly isn't. Monty also likes five at the back. Keep your eye on him.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:41:46 AM
Just every time I hear '6' it's on some Tifo podcast or other I've put on out of desperation.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:42:35 AM
Take it up with John Gregory's.

Or Brian Little's?

He played five at the back so you aren't comparing like with like. We have had absolutely loads of midfielders play number six. Your assertion that this is somehow new or wrong is crazy talk. Wibble.

Our current number six is a midfielder, for starters.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
It can be. But 4 and 5 is the standard and dismissing the idea of having a 6 in midfield as some modern Spanish fad is a crazy take. Don't let him persuade you, Lee. He only wants to count 6 as a defender as a way of sneaking in five at the back when we aren't looking. He can't be trusted.

I habn't thought of that, and forgot we were dealing with one of the victorian bearded, cereal for tea, unicyclist crowd.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on August 28, 2021, 11:44:06 AM
Dennis Mortimer wore 6 and he was definitely a midfielder
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 11:44:33 AM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:44:50 AM
Just every time I hear '6' it's on some Tifo podcast or other I've put on out of desperation.

I don't even know what Tifo is but this podcast sounds terrible. Would recommend you stop this behaviour immediately. I found some Alan Bennett diaries to listen to on YouTube while "working". Much nicer.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 11:46:19 AM
That mano-a-mano with SE was about 3 (THREE) at the back. As Little showed, it can win trophies - even with the Villa.

I prefer 4 at the back. 3 CAN be a good formation, but in most hands it becomes a trudging, horrible 5. Takes a hell of a coach and/or very good players to make 3 at the back exciting. Happy, you big cultists?

Just every time I hear '6' it's on some Tifo podcast or other I've put on out of desperation.

I don't even know what Tifo is but this podcast sounds terrible. Would recommend you stop this behaviour immediately. I found some Alan Bennett diaries to listen to on YouTube while "working". Much nicer.

Aye, with your flatcap, whippet, Mr Kipling cherry bakewells, 4-4-fuckin'-2 and a Daily Express, ta.
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Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2021, 11:47:08 AM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

I preferred their eponymous debut myself.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 11:47:11 AM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Suede are fine but they're no Caravan. (C) LeeB.
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Post by: luke:lamf on August 28, 2021, 11:47:38 AM
Whilst it may be a Villa standard, the repetition that 4 & 5 is the standard doesn't bear much weight. Having quickly scrolled through a few FA Cup final lineups on Wiki from the mid-70s onwards, 5&6 as the centre-backs is the most frequent pairing, but all manner of pairings have also turned up - 4&5 of course, but also 3&4.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 11:49:49 AM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

I preferred their eponymous debut myself.

Unlike your caravan and 'production values' posts, this is a defensible position, however wrong it is.
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Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
Dennis Mortimer wore 6 and he was definitely a midfielder
One of my big disappointments from that era :'( but there is no way anyone was going to ask Allan Evans to give up number 4.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 12:10:38 PM
Anyway! Can Buendia play 8 in a 4-3-3? I think his workrate and ball-winning stats suggest he can, but he'll need to get bullied off the ball less. Surely if Ramsey can work it out so can he.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on August 28, 2021, 12:22:41 PM
Anyway! Can Buendia play 8 in a 4-3-3? I think his workrate and ball-winning stats suggest he can, but he'll need to get bullied off the ball less. Surely if Ramsey can work it out so can he.

8 is a second striker anyway - see Shaw and Little for indisputable evidence.
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 12:24:10 PM
Anyway! Can Buendia play 8 in a 4-3-3? I think his workrate and ball-winning stats suggest he can, but he'll need to get bullied off the ball less. Surely if Ramsey can work it out so can he.

8 is a second striker anyway - see Shaw and Little for indisputable evidence.

*Weeps into lunchtime cereal*
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 28, 2021, 12:43:09 PM
Anyway! Can Buendia play 8 in a 4-3-3? I think his workrate and ball-winning stats suggest he can, but he'll need to get bullied off the ball less. Surely if Ramsey can work it out so can he.

8 is a second striker anyway - see Shaw and Little for indisputable evidence.


...Bruce Rioch
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Post by: clash city rocker on August 28, 2021, 12:45:55 PM
What ever happened to 2-3-5
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 28, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
What ever happened to 2-3-5


5 is yer pyramid centre half, 4 to their right, 6 left. With us withdrawing correctly our 4 in alongside the 5 in a flat 4, it means our 6 is a midfielder. It also means Barry could correctly wear 6 as he'd have been nominally a withdrawn left-half.

Doing a bit of fact checking with this, I discovered there were some brave formations in the early days
Wiki (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(association_football))
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In the first international game, Scotland against England on 30 November 1872, England played with seven or eight forwards in a 1–1–8 or 1–2–7 formation, and Scotland with six, in a 2–2–6 formation. For England, one player would remain in defence, picking up loose balls, and one or two players would hang around midfield and kick the ball upfield for the other players to chase. The English style of play at the time was all about individual excellence and English players were renowned for their dribbling skills. Players would attempt to take the ball forward as far as possible and only when they could proceed no further, would they kick it ahead for someone else to chase. Scotland surprised England by actually passing the ball among players. The Scottish outfield players were organized into pairs and each player would always attempt to pass the ball to his assigned partner.

And if you don't know, you can almost guess what comes next...
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Ironically, with so much attention given to attacking play, the game ended in a 0–0 draw.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Didn't take long for Scotland to start twatting England on a regular basis as the latter stuck to their ludicrous dribbling style.

Back when Scottish clubs used to enter the FA Cup, it was a hammering by those twats Queen's Park that led to Villa switching to a passing style and that was the foundation of our domination of English football in the late Victorian Era.

https://www.11v11.com/matches/queens-park-v-aston-villa-19-january-1884-204691/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2021, 01:54:05 PM
When the football weekly pod spoke about Burnley playing the first 1 to 11 in the league since Charlton in the late 90's it was specifically mentioned that all the numbers were in the classic correct positions, pointing out the 6 at CB. Don't shoot the messenger CD! Just quoting the filthy lefty scum. In my lifetime I've personally never associated the 6 with a CB.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
Speaking as filthy lefty scum, I'm appalled. ☹
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2021, 01:59:09 PM
On FFP, I don't think that's been the problem. I just reckon we've been trying to sign players and they just haven't brought in to the 'vision' and don't see us as a big enough move at the moment (whereas the likes of Bailey do). So I think we're trying at least as we're still getting linked to CMs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2021, 02:02:41 PM
Speaking as filthy lefty scum, I'm appalled. ☹

We do get some things wrong sometimes ;)
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Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2021, 02:14:55 PM
We need a very good midfield player this week.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Whatever happened to them? Last I remember of them was Bratt saying Weller was washed up in about 1993. Had a feeling that wouldn’t work out well for the prick.

I bear grudges.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 28, 2021, 02:31:20 PM
Even Weller was saying Weller was washed up not long before 93!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

I preferred their eponymous debut myself.
Dog man star is the correct answer  ;D ;D
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
We need a centre-mid.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
We need a centre-mid.

And a number 10 if McGinn doesn't play there. Buendia is not that man.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 28, 2021, 04:43:45 PM
Reinforcements needed.
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Post by: saint13 on August 28, 2021, 05:02:55 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

I preferred their eponymous debut myself.
Dog man star is the correct answer  ;D ;D
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Post by: saint13 on August 28, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
Dog Man Star without a doubt for me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2021, 05:14:36 PM
Using Ashley Young as a centre midfielder says it all.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2021, 06:27:47 PM
We needed a holding mid and a number 10 at the start of the window. We have clearly bid for some. And not got any. And still need them. We are a mid table side without injuries. We are a struggling side with them.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 28, 2021, 06:43:20 PM
We needed a holding mid and a number 10 at the start of the window. We have clearly bid for some. And not got any. And still need them. We are a mid table side without injuries. We are a struggling side with them.

Yup.  I don’t think we haven’t tried to get players that are so overwhelmingly, obviously needed.  I do think we’ve failed though, so far at least.  Why that is we probably won’t get to know.  It’s either money or ‘draw’ or both. 
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Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2021, 06:51:26 PM
Using Ashley Young as a centre midfielder says it all.

Seemed a Harry Redknapp esque tactic to look for investment tbh...if Hourihane and even Nakamba thought they didn't have much of a future with us pre-game surely that decision should hasten their departure.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2021, 06:52:12 PM
Using Ashley Young as a centre midfielder says it all.


Especially when you consider despite all the injuries the options we had. We could have played Marvellous, Hourihane or brought buendia in to the three. It certainly sends a message to the first two.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
Unless it's sending a message to Purslow that we need another midfielder?
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Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 06:57:44 PM
Unless it's sending a message to Purslow that we need another midfielder?

Any manager petty or clueless enough to sabotage a game like that would be fired on the spot, and I don't think Smith did that for one second.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2021, 06:58:00 PM
Unless it's sending a message to Purslow that we need another midfielder?

Any manager petty or clueless enough to sabotage a game like that would be fired on the spot, and I don't think Smith did that for one second.
Yep.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2021, 08:33:48 PM
much more of today and Smith is going to come under scrutiny, I would think.
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Post by: Louzie0 on August 28, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
That would be a bit much, considering the players unavailable to him today.
If they can get a creative midfield enforcer ...
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 28, 2021, 08:48:12 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Well I do. So that's the two of us...
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Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
I guess playing Chuck shows the owners and Purslow that he isn't ready to play more than half a dozen games at this stage of his career.  He's going to be great but needs to build steadily, same as JPB, Archer and any of the cup winners from last season.  We lack a heart beat type player, not sure who that player is but we lack something and I have us down as workmanlike rather than creative and ready to rip other teams apart.  Clearly Hourihane is surplus to requirements too.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 28, 2021, 08:58:16 PM
Let’s hope the buying office are ‘preparing a bid’ for someone and that they ‘lodge’ it well before Tuesday evening.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Using Ashley Young as a centre midfielder says it all.

Yes it didn't work at all. Think DS just used him there as Hourihane will surely leave at some point next week and Nakamba wasn't even that good v Barrow (although did fine when he came on) and Young has experience and is o.k passing under pressure.

Hopefully one of those selections we'll look back at in four months and chuckle when a new DM is in our team and dominating play.

Mentioned him the other week but William Carvalho of Real Betis was offered to Norwich last week on loan apparently so as short term fix that would be a decent signing.

He's currently on the bench for them v Real Madrid so they want to let him go.
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Post by: LeonW on August 28, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Well I do. So that's the two of us...

Make that three.
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Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2021, 09:46:09 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Well I do. So that's the two of us...

Make that three.

It’s not even open to debate.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 28, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Look, can't we all just agree that Dog Man Star is the best Suede album?

Well I do. So that's the two of us...

Make that three.

It’s not even open to debate.

What kind of lunatic would suggest otherwise?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
It’d extremely evident we need another midfielder.
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Post by: KRS on August 28, 2021, 11:22:15 PM
DS sounded really blunt in his post match interview about no more players incoming…it really sounded like he meant it and that has me genuinely concerned. Great if we want to stay mid table (9th-13th) but any ambitions of Europe with this set of players is a total pipe dream.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2021, 11:25:19 PM
He's either not got the money, or is being very stubborn about it then. The need is obvious. Hell I even think Winks would improve our midfield at the moment.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2021, 11:29:30 PM
I wondered before the Watford game about whether Young would be used in the middle and I asked just how much utility he has... well we know now. To be fair though I didn't anticipate ever having that many players out. I'll be surprised if we're not trying to get someone else in but it doesn't mean it will happen. I think the last days of the transfer windows will be the most interesting for a few years for a lot of teams. Yellow tie wankers on sky will have lob-ons.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2021, 11:38:23 PM
DS sounded really blunt in his post match interview about no more players incoming…it really sounded like he meant it and that has me genuinely concerned. Great if we want to stay mid table (9th-13th) but any ambitions of Europe with this set of players is a total pipe dream.

Our captain said something similar yesterday. Along the lines of 'repeating what we achieved last season would be a success'.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 28, 2021, 11:51:15 PM
With all the turmoil in the coaching section just before the start of the season i just wonder if there is more going on than we know. Any manager would always be looking to improve the squad especially as where we need to strengthen is glaring, it's just niggling me that Smith may not have much say at all about playing staff.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2021, 11:54:35 PM
I think Dean has final say on any player we sign. He gives the briefing, Lange will report back with options, Dean has to give any signing the green light.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 29, 2021, 02:53:48 AM
We've used Nakamba, Tuanzebe and Young as DM's in the last 4 games. There is only one decision to be made, surely?
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Post by: ROBBO on August 29, 2021, 03:12:30 AM
How do we know Dean has to give the green light to any signing? It's clear we know very little of what goes on at the club.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2021, 04:12:27 AM
I don't know why you'd employ a DoF and a recruitment director only to give the head coach a veto on signings.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2021, 07:09:56 AM
Lange's job is to pull it all together, to do the background checks, to liaise with the stat guys, to do the bidding etc.  They all sit together to discuss which players they are looking at in terms of types.  Smith calls the formation, therefore, Lange looks for the players to fit that formation.  Smith does indeed make the final decision.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2021, 07:28:43 AM
We've used Nakamba, Tuanzebe and Young as DM's in the last 4 games. There is only one decision to be made, surely?


Yes, but it has to be a good one. A straight in the team, if they're fit they play, good one. Not any halfway house "he gives us options" stopgap. If we're going to stick with trying to play with 2 in there while more teams seem to be deploying 3, they've got to be top johnny bollocks. Luiz is nearing that, he'll be one. Hopefully some poor souls elsewhere in the world will this weekend have watched their favourite player not knowing it's the last time in their colours before he suddenly pops up stretching ours.

There's no way we're not moving heaven and earth behind the scenes to address this. No way.
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Post by: Hillbilly on August 29, 2021, 08:05:39 AM
Kalvin Phillips because why not?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 08:23:00 AM
We've used Nakamba, Tuanzebe and Young as DM's in the last 4 games. There is only one decision to be made, surely?


Yes, but it has to be a good one. A straight in the team, if they're fit they play, good one. Not any halfway house "he gives us options" stopgap. If we're going to stick with trying to play with 2 in there while more teams seem to be deploying 3, they've got to be top johnny bollocks. Luiz is nearing that, he'll be one. Hopefully some poor souls elsewhere in the world will this weekend have watched their favourite player not knowing it's the last time in their colours before he suddenly pops up stretching ours.

There's no way we're not moving heaven and earth behind the scenes to address this. No way.

It's just not going to happen. Smith has dug his heels in it seems. I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we're done. On the flip of that, I think Dean has been handed a horrible hand by luck of the gods (injuries, timings, international players being a bit silly) which makes getting a team together tough, but the reality is in 6 games time we could be perilously close to the bottom 3, and I think he'll be very close to going.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 29, 2021, 09:01:58 AM
Yep.  we still haven't played anything like our starting XI presumably so if they are all fit by the next game we're basically starting from scratch against teams who are already well upto speed. We're going to have to pull off some upsets otherwise I can't see how we won't be down the bottom.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
If that is it, then I am underwhelmed to say the least. 

At best we have strengthened in areas where we were already strong.  Worst case we are significantly weaker and have decreased the usefulness/value of players such as Watkins and Traore.
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Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 09:15:26 AM
Not bringing anybody else in would be a bit of a dereliction of duty to be honest.
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Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2021, 09:21:46 AM
I think Dean has final say on any player we sign. He gives the briefing, Lange will report back with options, Dean has to give any signing the green light.

I suspect the whole club has decided this season will be one of development rather than a full out and out assault on the top 4.  So the priority is to keep the pathway open for the youngsters to develop and not block it with emergency expensive stop gaps.  It might be disappointing for us now but in the long run it will be better as we can’t keep spending £150m every year
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Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
I think Dean has final say on any player we sign. He gives the briefing, Lange will report back with options, Dean has to give any signing the green light.

I suspect the whole club has decided this season will be one of development rather than a full out and out assault on the top 4.  So the priority is to keep the pathway open for the youngsters to develop and not block it with emergency expensive stop gaps.  It might be disappointing for us now but in the long run it will be better as we can’t keep spending £150m every year

Out net spend is in minus numbers though. We're not talking about a stop gap, we need a top quality defensive midfielder. So far this season we've had to play Nakamba, Young, Tuanzebe and a 17 year old Chuk there. That's "stop gap", signing top players isn't.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2021, 09:28:17 AM
I think Dean has final say on any player we sign. He gives the briefing, Lange will report back with options, Dean has to give any signing the green light.

I suspect the whole club has decided this season will be one of development rather than a full out and out assault on the top 4.  So the priority is to keep the pathway open for the youngsters to develop and not block it with emergency expensive stop gaps.  It might be disappointing for us now but in the long run it will be better as we can’t keep spending £150m every year

That would be okay if there was a young DMC coming through, but as far as I’m aware there isn’t.  We mainly have attacking players coming through which is where we have also strengthened.

just to add, I agree that having headroom in the squad is a good idea, I just think the application has been haphazard.
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Post by: ez on August 29, 2021, 09:29:22 AM
Yep.  we still haven't played anything like our starting XI presumably so if they are all fit by the next game we're basically starting from scratch against teams who are already well upto speed. We're going to have to pull off some upsets otherwise I can't see how we won't be down the bottom.

Also Smith's poor record without Grealish is still lurking in the background. I reckon we will fall back further before recovering and finishing mid table.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 29, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
If we signed a top quality DM for £40-£50mill our net spend would be in the £40-£50 mill area which I personally think is under par for what I was expecting this summer prob £80-£100mill if Jack had stayed. If we do a roughly break even net spend figure I’m fully expecting a 9-12th finish and a consolidation season. Certainly nothing that gets us anywhere near a European place.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 29, 2021, 09:40:38 AM
Yep.  we still haven't played anything like our starting XI presumably so if they are all fit by the next game we're basically starting from scratch against teams who are already well upto speed. We're going to have to pull off some upsets otherwise I can't see how we won't be down the bottom.

Also Smith's poor record without Grealish is still lurking in the background. I reckon we will fall back further before recovering and finishing mid table.

Yeah I predicted finishing around about where we were last season, but no-one is going to give Smith a bye if we get mauled by Chelsea or Man United with a full squad playing even if its in reality "his" team's 1st or second outing of the season. All they'll see is the league table in October. I really fear for him to be honest.
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Post by: ez on August 29, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
For that brief time after Ings was announced and Jack not officially gone, about an hour or so, I thought top 4 was a real possibility.  Of course Jack leaving changed everything.
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Post by: Vegas on August 29, 2021, 09:50:31 AM
We've used Nakamba, Tuanzebe and Young as DM's in the last 4 games. There is only one decision to be made, surely?


Yes, but it has to be a good one. A straight in the team, if they're fit they play, good one. Not any halfway house "he gives us options" stopgap. If we're going to stick with trying to play with 2 in there while more teams seem to be deploying 3, they've got to be top johnny bollocks. Luiz is nearing that, he'll be one. Hopefully some poor souls elsewhere in the world will this weekend have watched their favourite player not knowing it's the last time in their colours before he suddenly pops up stretching ours.

There's no way we're not moving heaven and earth behind the scenes to address this. No way.

It's just not going to happen. Smith has dug his heels in it seems. I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we're done. On the flip of that, I think Dean has been handed a horrible hand by luck of the gods (injuries, timings, international players being a bit silly) which makes getting a team together tough, but the reality is in 6 games time we could be perilously close to the bottom 3, and I think he'll be very close to going.

Sorry for long quote, but why do you think it’s Smith who has dug his heels in? I have no inside knowledge at all but I would guess the opposite - Smith is desperate to get an additional DM in but is not being supported to do so financially.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2021, 09:59:18 AM
For us not to sign anyone else would be a huge optimism sapper. A missed opportunity and an inadequate response to selling Grealish.
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Post by: Vegas on August 29, 2021, 10:02:07 AM
For us not to sign anyone else would be a huge optimism sapper. A missed opportunity and an inadequate response to selling Grealish.

Yeah, I agree with that. Glaring weakness in the team not fixed, and very contradictory to the statements about pushing for Europe this year. You don’t push on from 11th to 6th with negative net spend.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
I have this sneaking suspicion that Dean isn't all that worried about the midfield, and wants to play basically a game based on winning the ball high up the pitch with four attackers. It's not what I'd do, but it's what I suspect we'll see when Bailey and Watkins are back starting.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 29, 2021, 10:18:22 AM
We as fans can see it so why can't the club?
Summer 2018, we all knew that we were left painfully short of centre backs by Bruce. We were shite until Smith came in and we had new manager bounce. Then we went off the boil again but Smith signed 2 centre backs who contributed greatly (Mings moreso) to that run at the end of the season which got us up.
Summer 2019, everyone was calling for another striker despite all the good business we'd done. I will admit that i wasn't one of them but was wrong. We looked short in a number of areas that season in the end but not least with firepower. First thing we did in Jan was panic buy a CF which didn't work out. We scraped it by the skin of our teeth.
Summer 2020, we were one short again, another creative player. We felt that El Ghazi and Trez weren't offering a lot and if Grealish was out for any period we'd have a problem. El Ghazi suprised us by having a half decent season but Grealish did get injured and we did struggle, we could have done with that extra quality creative player and may have finshed a few places further up if we had. First thing we did this summer was buy that player.
Summer 2021, we need a top quality DM, maybe even another combative midfielder in additon and here we go again.

It'll hold us back big time this season, i agree with Ozzjim that we could be in a sorry position come mid October. I don't think Smiths job will be in danger at that point but once we have an easier run of games if he doesn't start clawing it back who knows. Depends maybe on who's decision it is not to bolster the midfield. The ownership have got us back to an established PL side and given us our pride back but the ambition they've spoken about so often has been sadly lacking since the euros and the Grealish situation. It looks at the moment like we're happy to stand still.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2021, 10:24:35 AM
For us not to sign anyone else would be a huge optimism sapper. A missed opportunity and an inadequate response to selling Grealish.

Yes agree. It’s an issue with the signings we’ve made, because I think they’re all excellent, but to not use this opportunity to address the gap in midfield is pretty poor.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 29, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
We're nowhere near a top 4 side and the problem is for every season that's ''consolidation'' and looking like going nowhere it's another season where your better players think the grass might be greener elsewhere.

Buy a centre mid and stop fucking around with players out of position.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 10:31:02 AM
Here's a write-up from Hampshire Love last year on the system I'm guessing Smith wants to implement:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/strengths-weaknesses-hasenhuttl-system-southampton-4203343.amp

Aside from anything, what a reminder as to how shite our own local media coverage really is.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 29, 2021, 10:32:17 AM
If a DM doesn't arrive I think it will be Smith's decision undoubtably and he thinks we can carry on playing the same way without ratboy, missing the point that it didn't work without him. He took a hell of a lot of pressure off the likes McGinn & Co defensively because the opposition targeted him. Now they don't. Likewise the whole tempo of our games relied on the fouls committed on him. Whatever the attributes of his replacement(s) they don't add that to the defensive side of our team.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 29, 2021, 10:33:56 AM
We're nowhere near a top 4 side and the problem is for every season that's ''consolidation'' and looking like going nowhere it's another season where your better players think the grass might be greener elsewhere.

Buy a centre mid and stop fucking around with players out of position.

Yep, that's the other problem. Say we finish the same as last season at best and some of Europes top clubs come sniffing around Martinez. Then we're already on the back foot next summer trying to address the massive hole that he would leave.
Get into European competition and all of a sudden Martinez thinks it might be good to stick around, and you build on it.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 29, 2021, 10:34:11 AM
I think the owners would be fairly happy with the same position as last year, Mings has said himself that would be a success and I agree.

The preseason was a bit of a shambles, losing our best player, a few new signings, injuries, potential covid isolation issues, AFCON.
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Post by: Goldenballs on August 29, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
And there's no way we get into Europe with Smith as manager, in my opinion. Far too limited. But that's a different issue which has been discussed loads already.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 29, 2021, 10:36:13 AM
Sanson seems to have been written off because of some meh performances when he first arrived then injury. Perhaps the management that scouted him, signed and watch him train, think differently and think he could be a player for us. Perhaps with the way Smith likes to play, with three in the middle, two wide and one up top, he thinks with McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson and Nakamba as back up, he has enough. Perhaps, he also thinks he can play Ollie and Ings, with one of Bailey, El Ghazi, Buendia or Traore in Support.

It’s far to early in the season to be panicking and talking about fearing for Smith in regards to his job. What club in the right mind would think along those lines, even if we lose the next two, when he’s had half his best players out.
From the teams we played, I hoped for 7 points, if you told me that would be 4 I would of been disappointed/concerned. If you told me that would be 4, with Bailey having 30 mins, Traore and Watkins having less, and McGinn and Mings missing one of three games, I would of probably taken the 4.
I think we’ll probably lose to Chelsea, no real shame in that, so Everton who have started well, if we have a relatively full team to choose from is more of a marker.
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Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2021, 11:09:43 AM
If a DM doesn't arrive I think it will be Smith's decision undoubtably and he thinks we can carry on playing the same way without ratboy, missing the point that it didn't work without him. He took a hell of a lot of pressure off the likes McGinn & Co defensively because the opposition targeted him. Now they don't. Likewise the whole tempo of our games relied on the fouls committed on him. Whatever the attributes of his replacement(s) they don't add that to the defensive side of our team.

Yet Buendia for one had the highest number of tackles (or was it interceptions) yesterday. Showing how we are stronger defensively than with Ratboy. The plain facts of the matter are that we haven't been close to starting our best side yet. Bailey will make a big difference I'm sure, as will Watkins. That will immediately take the pressure off the centre of midfield too.

Last season with Luiz and McGinn we were fine. When Grealish was out we struggled with Traore Barkley, and AEG. This season we will have Buendia, Bailey and Ings. The difference in quality looks so much better to me.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2021, 11:12:54 AM
Sanson seems to have been written off because of some meh performances when he first arrived then injury. Perhaps the management that scouted him, signed and watch him train, think differently and think he could be a player for us. Perhaps with the way Smith likes to play, with three in the middle, two wide and one up top, he thinks with McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson and Nakamba as back up, he has enough. Perhaps, he also thinks he can play Ollie and Ings, with one of Bailey, El Ghazi, Buendia or Traore in Support.

It’s far to early in the season to be panicking and talking about fearing for Smith in regards to his job. What club in the right mind would think along those lines, even if we lose the next two, when he’s had half his best players out.
From the teams we played, I hoped for 7 points, if you told me that would be 4 I would of been disappointed/concerned. If you told me that would be 4, with Bailey having 30 mins, Traore and Watkins having less, and McGinn and Mings missing one of three games, I would of probably taken the 4.
I think we’ll probably lose to Chelsea, no real shame in that, so Everton who have started well, if we have a relatively full team to choose from is more of a marker.

It's a much better performance we are looking for against Chelsea. Unlikely we will get any points but some signs about how the team is likely to setup for the rest of the season would be great. A front three of Bailey/Ings/Watkins with maybe Luiz/Nakamba/McGinn behind them and we already look much better.
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Post by: Drummond on August 29, 2021, 11:15:30 AM
I'd stick Buendia in that instead of Nakamba.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 29, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
If a DM doesn't arrive I think it will be Smith's decision undoubtably and he thinks we can carry on playing the same way without ratboy, missing the point that it didn't work without him. He took a hell of a lot of pressure off the likes McGinn & Co defensively because the opposition targeted him. Now they don't. Likewise the whole tempo of our games relied on the fouls committed on him. Whatever the attributes of his replacement(s) they don't add that to the defensive side of our team.

Yet Buendia for one had the highest number of tackles (or was it interceptions) yesterday. Showing how we are stronger defensively than with Ratboy. The plain facts of the matter are that we haven't been close to starting our best side yet. Bailey will make a big difference I'm sure, as will Watkins. That will immediately take the pressure off the centre of midfield too.

Last season with Luiz and McGinn we were fine. When Grealish was out we struggled with Traore Barkley, and AEG. This season we will have Buendia, Bailey and Ings. The difference in quality looks so much better to me.

I just don't think an opposing team targets someone like Buendia the same way as ratboy. it's not the tackles i'm talking about, its the fact he drew 2/3 players around him and the respite we received when one of them inevitably fouled him.  Looking at his stats last season the nearest I can get to what i'm talking about is Duels won = 231. As for the fouls we all know the stats on them, but those two factors inevitably helped us defensively because he was taking the pressure off our midfield.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 29, 2021, 11:39:22 AM
If a DM doesn't arrive I think it will be Smith's decision undoubtably and he thinks we can carry on playing the same way without ratboy, missing the point that it didn't work without him. He took a hell of a lot of pressure off the likes McGinn & Co defensively because the opposition targeted him. Now they don't. Likewise the whole tempo of our games relied on the fouls committed on him. Whatever the attributes of his replacement(s) they don't add that to the defensive side of our team.

I think it will be more a case of the right player not being available rather than anyone’s decision. We need a player who will make us better, those that fit that criteria and might be on the market will likely have other options and not just in this country who can offer European football now.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 29, 2021, 11:43:40 AM
I do wonder if there is a directive at the club for young players to be involved more with the first team and whether this is dictating transfer policy.  It's definitely something I want to see, but think there must be caution taken so that we are not relying on too many of them at a time. 
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Post by: exigo on August 29, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
Buendia's a proper street fight footballer. There was a point yesterday where he shrugged off three or four defenders and pushed through the lines. Last season, Grealish would have taken the foul and the defence would have reset. In a few weeks time, with Bailey, Ings and Watkins piling forward in front of Buendia, we will have the power, guile and finishers to terrify defenders.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 29, 2021, 11:53:37 AM
If a DM doesn't arrive I think it will be Smith's decision undoubtably and he thinks we can carry on playing the same way without ratboy, missing the point that it didn't work without him. He took a hell of a lot of pressure off the likes McGinn & Co defensively because the opposition targeted him. Now they don't. Likewise the whole tempo of our games relied on the fouls committed on him. Whatever the attributes of his replacement(s) they don't add that to the defensive side of our team.

I think it will be more a case of the right player not being available rather than anyone’s decision. We need a player who will make us better, those that fit that criteria and might be on the market will likely have other options and not just in this country who can offer European football now.

Maybe, but I do wonder if we're being a bit picky if that is the  case. You don't need to spend 30m+ for a good defensive midfielder to improve our side because the bar is set so low with Nakamba. Loads of options have been mentioned on here and if the likes of Carvalho are available for 18m then you have to wonder why we're not in for them.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 12:11:17 PM
The problem with this 'waiting for the right player' idea is that, if you've designed a risky new system that depends on getting in this new man in that position, then you've staked everything on something you're not sure is going to happen, indeed that your instinct is to resist until it's perfect. If the club really had no plan for DM beyond somehow spending 25m on James Ward Prowse, given how crucial that position is to the new strategy, and how understocked we are there even at the best of times, then that really isn't great.
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Post by: john e on August 29, 2021, 12:16:44 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper
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Post by: Ads on August 29, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Second half I didn't feel we kept the ball well enough. Hard to build an attack when you're out of possession.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2021, 12:23:22 PM
Hard to build an attack when the referee awards the opposition a free kick every time you get near the ball.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
I don’t think yesterday’s game provides much of an insight into how we could or should play.
Well I certainly hope it doesn’t.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
Buendia's a proper street fight footballer. There was a point yesterday where he shrugged off three or four defenders and pushed through the lines. Last season, Grealish would have taken the foul and the defence would have reset. In a few weeks time, with Bailey, Ings and Watkins piling forward in front of Buendia, we will have the power, guile and finishers to terrify defenders.

I really like Buendia but I don't think he has anything like the close control like the City player has on the ball. Buendia lost the ball a few times in the second half yesterday that at his best Grealish simply doesnt. Grealish has a yard of pace to get away from players too that Buendia doesn't. Buendia takes risks on the ball and that is something we need. Comparing them is harsh, I prefer to compare Buendia to Barkley (has he retired?).
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Post by: CT on August 29, 2021, 12:28:11 PM
Hard to build an attack when the referee awards the opposition a free kick every time you get near the ball.

It was an effective game plan, masterminded by Johansson. Just fall over whenever we attack, ref stops game.

Job done.
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Post by: aev on August 29, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
£15m Curtis Jones ?
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 12:33:59 PM
I agree. Cantwell is much closer to a Grealish replacement, one that should Norwich drop I can see us going for next summer.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
£15m Curtis Jones ?

Yes and play him 10. He's creative and knows where the goal is. Would think Liverpool would want at least twice that though.
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Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 01:12:36 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper


With everybody fit though John, we've got loads of options in the attacking part of the pitch. Watkins, Ings, Bailey, Traore, Buendia, El Ghazi and the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka nd Archer as promising kids. With everybody fit, our defensive central midfielder options are:




Which isn't very good.
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Post by: oldtimernow on August 29, 2021, 01:21:12 PM
Buendia's a proper street fight footballer. There was a point yesterday where he shrugged off three or four defenders and pushed through the lines. Last season, Grealish would have taken the foul and the defence would have reset. In a few weeks time, with Bailey, Ings and Watkins piling forward in front of Buendia, we will have the power, guile and finishers to terrify defenders.

I really like Buendia but I don't think he has anything like the close control like the City player has on the ball. Buendia lost the ball a few times in the second half yesterday that at his best Grealish simply doesnt. Grealish has a yard of pace to get away from players too that Buendia doesn't. Buendia takes risks on the ball and that is something we need. Comparing them is harsh, I prefer to compare Buendia to Barkley (has he retired?).

I think he's starting his career as a pundit now.

Doesn't have the Micah charisma mind
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Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
I’ve got to think there’s going to be some bargains to be had in the last couple of days of the window when clubs who need the money - and there’s plenty of them - decide to cash in. Really hoping we’ll use our position to capitalize.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper


Of course a great DM makes a difference. You can't attack if you can't win the ball, and in the top division these days you need to work spaces through the middle third of the pitch to create chances in the final third. There's no more just giving it to attackers and hoping they dribble past a defence that's set and in position (incidentally, why do we feel like we've been saying this for twelve years? Villa have had this problem for ages, no matter the players, the managers, even the owners).
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 29, 2021, 01:33:10 PM
I can't help but wonder if the forced loss of G has re-shaped the much vaunted "project". Maybe the realization of what it would cost to buy ourselves into credible top 4-challengers is simply deemed prohibitive or unachievable. As opposed to having continued to invest in a team built around G.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 29, 2021, 01:39:32 PM
The McKennie links are still live. It could well come down to a charm offensive as we try to convince him we're a tastier prospect than three sides that finished above us last season in spuds, spam and toffees.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
I can't help but wonder if the forced loss of G has re-shaped the much vaunted "project". Maybe the realization of what it would cost to buy ourselves into credible top 4-challengers is simply deemed prohibitive or unachievable. As opposed to having continued to invest in a team built around G.
the gap without the idiot maybe just too big and we are now in the slow and steady strategy.
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Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2021, 01:43:46 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper


Of course a great DM makes a difference. You can't attack if you can't win the ball, and in the top division these days you need to work spaces through the middle third of the pitch to create chances in the final third. There's no more just giving it to attackers and hoping they dribble past a defence that's set and in position (and why do some of us feel like we've been saying this for twelve years? Villa have had this problem for ages, no matter the players, the managers, even the owners).

Yep the most effective teams in world football right now are fantastic in trasition from defence to attack, win the ball, protect it and look to play into gaps where the opposition had pushed forward. THAT game against Liverpool was a masterclass in it, one of the most ruthless performances I've ever seen by anyone.

Some teams will setup to hold their shape so we need a way to break them down as well but I think we gave the players (bailey and traore mainly) to do that once they're fit.
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 29, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
It feels from Dean's interviews and generally seeming pleased with a draw at home to Brentford we are just aiming to stay in the League

We still haven't brought in a replacement for JT or ROK. and haven't even spent all of the Jack Grealish money

Very worrying
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Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2021, 01:49:12 PM
Nikola Vlasic to Wetspam, according to the gRauniad
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Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
It feels from Dean's interviews and generally seeming pleased with a draw at home to Brentford we are just aiming to stay in the League

We still haven't brought in a replacement for JT or ROK. and haven't even spent all of the Jack Grealish money

Very worrying

No it doesn't, it feels like he thinks a point was decent given the injury crisis.

We've got 1 new coach in already and it's heavily rumoured that another is already agreed andxwill join in the next few weeks.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 01:52:27 PM
Nikola Vlasic to Wetspam, according to the gRauniad

Good signing. They look a very decent team again. Moyes has really proved a point there.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
It feels from Dean's interviews and generally seeming pleased with a draw at home to Brentford we are just aiming to stay in the League

We still haven't brought in a replacement for JT or ROK. and haven't even spent all of the Jack Grealish money

Very worrying

God love Fred, so useful for providing perspective when you think you're being unnecessarily miseryarse-ish.
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 29, 2021, 01:55:47 PM
Yes there was an injury crisis but he could have put Watkins on sooner. We have a bloody international break now what harm would half hour have done? Looked much more likely to score when he was on the pitch and Hourihane should have been used rather than nakamba. It's almost like we were happy to get a point. Infuriating

We need a couple of new faces in before deadline day or we will really struggle. Got very lucky against a terrible Newcastle team,ripped apart by Watford and taken a draw at home to Brentford. And they reckon we're 18 months off champions league?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2021, 01:56:56 PM
Resign!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2021, 02:04:30 PM
Here's a write-up from Hampshire Love last year on the system I'm guessing Smith wants to implement:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/strengths-weaknesses-hasenhuttl-system-southampton-4203343.amp

Aside from anything, what a reminder as to how shite our own local media coverage really is.

This deserves a bump.  Interesting article and the system suits some players, plus it allows us to select both Watkins and Ings.  I wonder how integral Holberg was to the system as that is arguably the player we do not have.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 29, 2021, 02:18:10 PM
Here's a write-up from Hampshire Love last year on the system I'm guessing Smith wants to implement:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/strengths-weaknesses-hasenhuttl-system-southampton-4203343.amp

Aside from anything, what a reminder as to how shite our own local media coverage really is.

This deserves a bump.  Interesting article and the system suits some players, plus it allows us to select both Watkins and Ings.  I wonder how integral Holberg was to the system as that is arguably the player we do not have.
Great article.Last year it was clear that Romeu,when fit,and JWP worked in tandem.The closeness of players is something that is disregarded in the English game but was particularly noticeable in Mancini's Italy.
The two players who would struggle in this system would be AEG and Traore but would be ideal for Buendia,McGinn,Luiz ,Sanson ,Ramsey and the missing DCM.
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Post by: Monty on August 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
Our great problem in implementing that would definitely be the closeness of those lines. We sprint away from each other whenever we get the ball, creating huge gaps which necessitates these endless irritating flighty chips into the channels. To really replicate the Southampton system (but with more success) we're going to have to be a fuck of a lot more compact and organised.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 29, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
I was reading on Sky, that William at Arsenal is on a staggering £240,000 per week and has 2 years left on his contract!! No wonder they are in so much trouble, if they are paying those kind of salaries.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 29, 2021, 03:15:56 PM
It feels from Dean's interviews and generally seeming pleased with a draw at home to Brentford we are just aiming to stay in the League

We still haven't brought in a replacement for JT or ROK. and haven't even spent all of the Jack Grealish money

Very worrying

This is such a negative way of looking at it all. Watkins didn’t come on any earlier because he’s not completely fit. As much as I like Hourihane, what difference do you think a slow midfield player would have made to that game. You cannot analyse yesterday’s game without taking into account the huge impact the absences made. It’s great that Ollie got on and looked lively, but find a black hole of despair in every silver lining hey.
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Post by: OCD on August 29, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
I would have to wait for The Athletic to write an article like that to see that sort of thing about us. Our rag just regurgitates the shit on NewsNow and litters it full of adverts that don't always close on my phone so I end up with a really small viewing area (and usually just give up).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2021, 03:42:26 PM
I don't know why you'd employ a DoF and a recruitment director only to give the head coach a veto on signings.

We don't half sign loads of players who've played under DS previously though if he apparently has no say in the recruitment process. I mean under Suso we signed Jota and Konsa who he'd worked with at Brentford and one of first signings under Lange was Ollie Watkins. This summer we needed a backup CB who could develop further and considering there's loads of those types in europe seems pretty odd we just got Axel back if the manager has no say in who comes in.

It's mix and match really. Likes of Gulibert and Sanson probably weren't DS signings and can see it with seemingly lack of faith in them, was going to say Engels aswell but can remember DS saying he scouted him at Brentford.

I'd be amazed if we don't pick up some DM in next 48 hours even if it's just a loan deal, plenty around who are experienced and not playing for their present club currently.

If we don't pick them up likes of Everton and Leeds probably will so that's the issue.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 29, 2021, 03:44:12 PM
I don't know why you'd employ a DoF and a recruitment director only to give the head coach a veto on signings.

We don't half sign loads of players who've played under DS previously though if he apparently has no say in the recruitment process. I mean under Suso we signed Jota and Konsa who he'd worked with at Brentford and one of first signings under Lange was Ollie Watkins. This summer we needed a backup CB who could develop further and considering there's loads of those types in europe seems pretty odd we just got Axel back if the manager has no say in who comes in.

It's mix and match really. Likes of Gulibert and Sanson probably weren't DS signings and can see it with seemingly lack of faith in them, was going to say Engels aswell but can remember DS saying he scouted him at Brentford.

I'd be amazed if we don't pick up some DM in next 48 hours even if it's just a loan deal, plenty around who are experienced and not playing for their present club currently.

If we don't pick them up likes of Everton and Leeds probably will so that's the issue.

Nobody suggested that he has no say. It's just not his ultimate responsibility.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
I think Dean has final say on any player we sign. He gives the briefing, Lange will report back with options, Dean has to give any signing the green light.

I suspect the whole club has decided this season will be one of development rather than a full out and out assault on the top 4.  So the priority is to keep the pathway open for the youngsters to develop and not block it with emergency expensive stop gaps.  It might be disappointing for us now but in the long run it will be better as we can’t keep spending £150m every year

Where has this top 4 thing come from out of interest?

When players come out and say we want to qualify for europe they do realise they probably mean more fighting for 7th (which looks out of reach presently but we weren't far off it last season) or winning a league cup (although again more difficult with the draw we got).

I'm seeing a few posters typing it like it's the main season aim and like G***lish is still actually here, we are miles off that standard.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2021, 03:57:04 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper


We need to control tempo of games much better. Can do it v likes of Newcastle and Burnley but those type of teams never really press in central midfield.

Luiz can do it when he's on form but it's not a skillset of someone like McGinn and certainly not Nakamba and the young lads need to be given time.

When we had Barry and Petrov for example neither were ridiculously tough tackling but both could stick a foot in when needed and both were excellent short and long range passers. We looked very strong in midfield when we had another like Reo Coker alongside so that's the template we need to take on e.g. sign a DM and then with Luiz and McGinn infront that looks fine to me.

The issue then is how DS juggles the forward line when all the options are fit. I really really hope he dosen't want to sign a new DM because he's worried about benching one of the attackers for spells of the season and would rather just start them all the time, won't reach the top as a manager with that mentality imo.

It's a good question though, who misses out if all of Ings, Watkins, Buendia and Bailey are all fit at the same time but formation means we can only start three of them.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 29, 2021, 05:01:32 PM
Would a defensive midfielder have made any difference yesterday
We didn’t create enough even Dean Smith said that

We bought one of the premiership’s best strikers and gave him nothing
Bailey and Watkins will obviously make a difference
But they are attacking options not defensive midfielders

I’m certainly not against buying that type of player but I think our problems go deeper


We need to control tempo of games much better. Can do it v likes of Newcastle and Burnley but those type of teams never really press in central midfield.

Luiz can do it when he's on form but it's not a skillset of someone like McGinn and certainly not Nakamba and the young lads need to be given time.

When we had Barry and Petrov for example neither were ridiculously tough tackling but both could stick a foot in when needed and both were excellent short and long range passers. We looked very strong in midfield when we had another like Reo Coker alongside so that's the template we need to take on e.g. sign a DM and then with Luiz and McGinn infront that looks fine to me.

The issue then is how DS juggles the forward line when all the options are fit. I really really hope he dosen't want to sign a new DM because he's worried about benching one of the attackers for spells of the season and would rather just start them all the time, won't reach the top as a manager with that mentality imo.

It's a good question though, who misses out if all of Ings, Watkins, Buendia and Bailey are all fit at the same time but formation means we can only start three of them.
Sometimes bringing on a defensive midfielder can bring attacking rewards .The classic example being Liverpool bringing on Hamann in CL final v Milan to gain control of the midfield.That's what we lacked v Brentford who at times overran us .Young and Chuk lacking the physicality to deal with it.If we could have won the ball more in midfield areas,we could have got at the defence far more often and higher up the pitch and not allowing their defence to settle .
Buendia can be considered one of the central midfield,for such a creative ,attack minded player,he also has the ability to put in a tackle.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 05:15:46 PM
Imagine sticking 25 year old Barry and Milner into our midfield with McGinn now. We'd be awesome.
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Post by: CT on August 29, 2021, 06:12:29 PM
Imagine sticking 25 year old Barry and Milner into our midfield with McGinn now. We'd be awesome.

Milner’s last game for us against West Ham was a midfield masterclass. He was fantastic.
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Post by: OCD on August 29, 2021, 06:18:25 PM
And then City played him out wide.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 06:21:33 PM
And then City played him out wide.

One of the guys I manage at work is a old school man City fan. I give him a lot of stick for how much they ruined the best central midfielder in the country after he joined them.
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Post by: OCD on August 29, 2021, 06:22:14 PM
Only fair :)
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Post by: caster troy on August 29, 2021, 06:28:24 PM
Something doesn't add up about this summer. We were told to be excited about a couple of big signings or words to that effect, so assuming that includes Buendia who was the other? Bailey and Ings were replacements for whatshisname, they weren't plan A. We bid for Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe but seemingly haven't pursued other targets in their positions. Did we just give up when Ward-Prowse didn't come off? Pretty weak if so, especially considering the bid was derisory.


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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 06:33:52 PM
Only fair :)

Poor bloke really didn't want Ratboy either.
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Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2021, 06:53:11 PM
Something doesn't add up about this summer. We were told to be excited about a couple of big signings or words to that effect, so assuming that includes Buendia who was the other? Bailey and Ings were replacements for whatshisname, they weren't plan A. We bid for Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe but seemingly haven't pursued other targets in their positions. Did we just give up when Ward-Prowse didn't come off? Pretty weak if so, especially considering the bid was derisory.





Ings and Bailey were two very very exciting signings. As is Buendia. It was always going to be overshadowed by losing Grealish. He’s gone and in one way at least we can move on without the circus. It’s a right bastard, he’s been one good thing for so long amongst some right shit times. He’s been a joy to watch and we always felt it was special because of who and where he came from. Because of this our summer was always going to look bleak. However we’ve made some really fabulous signings and fro what I’ve see so far, once we are up to full strength we’re going to have a very good season.
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Post by: The Edge on August 29, 2021, 06:59:24 PM
It feels from Dean's interviews and generally seeming pleased with a draw at home to Brentford we are just aiming to stay in the League

We still haven't brought in a replacement for JT or ROK. and haven't even spent all of the Jack Grealish money

Very worrying

This is such a negative way of looking at it all. Watkins didn’t come on any earlier because he’s not completely fit. As much as I like Hourihane, what difference do you think a slow midfield player would have made to that game. You cannot analyse yesterday’s game without taking into account the huge impact the absences made. It’s great that Ollie got on and looked lively, but find a black hole of despair in every silver lining hey.
I wouldn't bother. He's still on a high after their massive point at Barnsley
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2021, 07:09:28 PM
It seems odd that we appeared to be in for JWP, but on the face of it had no alternatives.
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Post by: Dave on August 29, 2021, 07:30:12 PM
It seems odd that we appeared to be in for JWP, but on the face of it had no alternatives.

Smith-Rowe too. If the plan was any two of the three from him, Ings and Bailey given the styles of each of them it would seem a little haphazard.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 08:04:19 PM
It seems odd that we appeared to be in for JWP, but on the face of it had no alternatives.

Smith-Rowe too. If the plan was any two of the three from him, Ings and Bailey given the styles of each of them it would seem a little haphazard.

It's just so befuddled.

I don't understand any of it since the phantom raspberry blower of old London Town left.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 29, 2021, 08:22:14 PM
It seems odd that we appeared to be in for JWP, but on the face of it had no alternatives.

Smith-Rowe too. If the plan was any two of the three from him, Ings and Bailey given the styles of each of them it would seem a little haphazard.

It's just so befuddled.

I don't understand any of it since the phantom raspberry blower of old London Town left.

Buendia came in before they knew they were Losing Grealish I think, so I think the whole buying 3 players with different attributes to replace Grealish, was to a degree PR spin by Purslow.
It seems to me that Smith-Rowe was probably the Grealish replacement and when that didn’t come off, Bailey was the alternative. Sniffing around Ward-Prowse maybe led them to find out Ings would be open to coming and he is both a good player and added a bit of a cushion to the Grealish blow on that day.
I obviously have no evidence for any of this, just my own thoughts.

I agree re Ward-Prowse and a back up plan, unless our whole strategy is around set pieces!!
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Post by: KRS on August 29, 2021, 09:27:21 PM
I’d like to think we’re all being a bit negative and forgetting how savvy our owners/management have been and are able to be. If we don’t sign any more players then I will be disheartened as much as the next man, however there are 2 days to go and my feeling is that they have targets identified and ready to pounce in the final few hours when most deals are done and may become available at slightly lower prices. Let’s see how things pan out.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
I think we'll bring one more in on loan. 
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
I’d like to think we’re all being a bit negative and forgetting how savvy our owners/management have been and are able to be. If we don’t sign any more players then I will be disheartened as much as the next man, however there are 2 days to go and my feeling is that they have targets identified and ready to pounce in the final few hours when most deals are done and may become available at slightly lower prices. Let’s see how things pan out.

This late in the game clubs will be looking to bring in replacements before they let somebody go.
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Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 10:06:45 PM
The ‘stockpiling’ comment is looking more ridiculous as the days go by.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 29, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
If we work on the principle that the original transfer plan was based on Jack staying, then it seems we were after Buendia, Smith Rowe and Ward Prowse. Presumably Buendia was to replace Trezeguet, Smith Rowe was to replace Barkley, and Ward Prowse was to take the free kicks Jack used to win. The other strong link was the Argie Gary Shaw.

We clearly had funds available to offer £25m for Smith Rowe, and £25m for Ward Prowse, plus what we spent on Buendia before we sold Jack.

Plan B seems to have seen us bring in Ings and Bailey to vary what we have up front. I am pretty sure we were serious about getting in Cantwell and JWP too, but seem to have baulked at the prices quoted.

Either plan there seems to have been money available for more signings, but we would not pay what the selling club wanted for the targets. I still think we will bring in another midfielder.
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Post by: algy on August 29, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
Something doesn't add up about this summer. We were told to be excited about a couple of big signings or words to that effect, so assuming that includes Buendia who was the other? Bailey and Ings were replacements for whatshisname, they weren't plan A. We bid for Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe but seemingly haven't pursued other targets in their positions. Did we just give up when Ward-Prowse didn't come off? Pretty weak if so, especially considering the bid was derisory.





Ings and Bailey were two very very exciting signings. As is Buendia. It was always going to be overshadowed by losing Grealish. He’s gone and in one way at least we can move on without the circus. It’s a right bastard, he’s been one good thing for so long amongst some right shit times. He’s been a joy to watch and we always felt it was special because of who and where he came from. Because of this our summer was always going to look bleak. However we’ve made some really fabulous signings and fro what I’ve see so far, once we are up to full strength we’re going to have a very good season.
Yeah, absolutely agree. We could've bought almost anyone this summer, losing Grealish would've put a dampener on things.

Also think his transfer fee has distorted things. We've spent near enough £300m over the past 2 seasons + 1 summer. It's not like we're scrimping & saving just because we've not spent another £100m on top of that.

Besides, apparently we were planning, at least semi-likely, on him staying. So why panic buy players at a couple of weeks notice? Better to wait until next summer, when our money will be worth the same but we won't be paying the Grealish-based inflation on transfer fees (and with that, increased wages)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2021, 10:47:47 PM
We need a defensive central midfielder now, not next year.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2021, 11:09:05 PM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2021, 11:37:01 PM
The signing of Ings goes completely against the grain of our usual signings under this ownership. The plan always appeared to be sign them in the 20-26 bracket with the view to them being a success and either moving on for a healthy profit or staying and helping us grow. Ings isn't this, he is a ready to go here and now signing, very doubtful there will be a profit made. So this signals a "let's go for it window" with such a change in tact but it sort of feels we've gone so far then backed out if we don't buy a central/holding midfielder. I likened it to a boxer having his opponent on the ropes (Arsenal, spurs, Leeds and everton) we can't let them recover and we must deliver the knock out blow. If we have serious aspiration to get in Europe, we're going to have to take the gamble at some point anyway because all these teams spend money as well. I say we take that gamble this summer and try and make it count.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 29, 2021, 11:53:26 PM
If you're a billionaire and you have another billionaire as backup, you buy your way into where you want to be.  As much as I really do like Dean Smith and want him to be the one that breaks us (back) into the big time, I'm starting to think that the billionaires are waiting to see if they can trust Dean Smith. 

That, or we are already where we want to be. 
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 04:50:49 AM
Something doesn't add up about this summer. We were told to be excited about a couple of big signings or words to that effect, so assuming that includes Buendia who was the other? Bailey and Ings were replacements for whatshisname, they weren't plan A. We bid for Ward-Prowse and Smith-Rowe but seemingly haven't pursued other targets in their positions. Did we just give up when Ward-Prowse didn't come off? Pretty weak if so, especially considering the bid was derisory.





Ings and Bailey were two very very exciting signings. As is Buendia. It was always going to be overshadowed by losing Grealish. He’s gone and in one way at least we can move on without the circus. It’s a right bastard, he’s been one good thing for so long amongst some right shit times. He’s been a joy to watch and we always felt it was special because of who and where he came from. Because of this our summer was always going to look bleak. However we’ve made some really fabulous signings and fro what I’ve see so far, once we are up to full strength we’re going to have a very good season.
Besides, apparently we were planning, at least semi-likely, on him staying. So why panic buy players at a couple of weeks notice? Better to wait until next summer, when our money will be worth the same but we won't be paying the Grealish-based inflation on transfer fees (and with that, increased wages)

Why would it be panic buying? We are a professionally run Premier League team so obviously a series of different transfer scenarios will have been considered and planned for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 05:07:16 AM
This Curtis Jones link seems an odd one. Do we really need a 20yr midfielder at this stage. Is it a strategy to go for promising youth players rather than someone with some games behind them? Confusing if true.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 05:32:50 AM
I don't think it's true. I think his agent has seen ESR and JWP use villa this summer and is getting a new deal for him.

I also think he's a very very good young player, and with a lot more that £15m. Could play 8 or 10 and develop into a goal scoring mid.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 05:37:58 AM
Yeah i wasn't making any comment on his ability or his price, just seemed an odd one unless we're hoovering up youth as the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 30, 2021, 09:07:36 AM
Im sorry to be negative but i simply do not see us challenging for Europe if we do not sign a big defensive midfielder.

Too many times already ive seen this happen against us. Nakamba isnt someone you can rely on week in and wek out. He is a good option from the bench to see a game out thats all. Barring luiz i dont see what else we have. I mean someone like bissouma will tear us apart
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
If 4 points against 3 sides that will finish in the bottom half hasn't shown them that we are no better than mid to lower mid table then nothing will. I think we've settled for what we've got and will muddle through the season looking disjointed and then reevaluate next summer, when some of our better players start getting itchy feet. And it all begins again.

Poor transfer window.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 09:34:55 AM
Still convinced something will happen before 11pm tomorrow.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2021, 09:41:38 AM
Still convinced something will happen before 11pm tomorrow.


Ha Ha  I always think we do
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 09:45:53 AM
Got a news alert to say Wesley had Brugged off, and noticed that Will Hughes, a player I think some linked us with, has gone to Palace. Can't say I'm too upset about not signing him.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
Still convinced something will happen before 11pm tomorrow.


Ha Ha  I always think we do

The power of power of positive thinking ;) Plus I don't think Smith is that stupid...…...
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Post by: aev on August 30, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!

Spurs and Arsenal were supposedly skint and have both strengthened their squads.

Both of these 2 were I think within reach if we'd had a really good window.

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Post by: Smithy on August 30, 2021, 10:05:28 AM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!

Spurs and Arsenal were supposedly skint and have both strengthened their squads.

Both of these 2 were I think within reach if we'd had a really good window.



We're already four points clear of one of them.
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Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2021, 10:07:20 AM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!

Spurs and Arsenal were supposedly skint and have both strengthened their squads.

Both of these 2 were I think within reach if we'd had a really good window.

Yeah - I have been surprised how much clubs have spent, certainly feels like these clubs are getting further away from us. 

Something feels a bit strange - I don't understand the low ball offers for ESR and JWP.

I dont understand why we have identified players for positions, but hen not been able to get them or someone similar.

Certainly have a better squad - but think were a weaker team since Joe left.

I also dont understand why we say we were 18 months of challanging for Europe, but seem to be focusing on consolidation.

Dont get me wrong, we have come so far so quickly - but I just worry we will end up in the cycle of selling our best players each season if we dont show continuous improvement.

But - normally when I start dobuting - I am proved wrong so fingers crossed!!

UTV
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:10:17 AM
Money is there for a midfielder if right deal comes up. - Rob Dorset.
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Post by: aev on August 30, 2021, 10:16:31 AM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!

Spurs and Arsenal were supposedly skint and have both strengthened their squads.

Both of these 2 were I think within reach if we'd had a really good window.



We're already four points clear of one of them.

Indeed, but they have played Chelsea and City.
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Post by: aev on August 30, 2021, 10:17:00 AM
Anguissa off to Napoli.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 10:17:32 AM
We had an opportunity to really close the gap this summer that's why, I do think Lange and the scouting team should have found a couple of cheaper options though for us to work with. McKensie has a good reputation for finding a holding midfielder!

Spurs and Arsenal were supposedly skint and have both strengthened their squads.

Both of these 2 were I think within reach if we'd had a really good window.

A lot of spurs’ signings are loans with an obligation to buy, so they’re effectively spending next summers income now and crossing their fingers they sneak 4th place.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
They didn't play against Man City. They turned up, surrendered in as meek a manner as possible. Man City can batter a lot of clubs, but Arsenal were embarrassing.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 10:19:02 AM
Anguissa off to Napoli.

Betting anything they make a 100% profit off him in two-three years while we're saying 'what about Aaron Ramsey to partner Winks in midfield?'
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Post by: Villan82 on August 30, 2021, 10:20:00 AM
Money is there for a midfielder if right deal comes up. - Rob Dorset.

We simply have to address this area.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 10:20:20 AM
Full detail...

#avfc won’t pursue a deal for #lfc midfielder Curtis Jones. Dean Smith happy with the squad he has, but still has money for a midfielder if a decent deal is forthcoming before tomorrow’s deadline. Already seen bids knocked back for Ward-Prowse and Smith Rowe.

I wouldn't have got the Curtis Jones thing either, very good promising young player but not what we're crying out for and that's what we need to sort. I also reckon ESR was the replacement for Grealish and we moved on to Bailey once that was dead. My concern is that if JWP was the first choice, again i think he's a quality player but surely would have just been an upgrade on Luiz rather than an upgrade on Nakamba. As we can all see, the defensive midfield upgrade on Nakamba is what we really need so even if we do bring someone in, will it even be that player considering JWP appears to have been the original first choice new midfielder?
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
Aaron Ramsey already plays for us.
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Post by: PeterWithe on August 30, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
I can see Winks coming in on loan.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:21:36 AM
Is Winks better than Nkamba?
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
Aaron Ramsey already plays for us.

Sure does, and he was the one I meant. Pretty sure in three years Ramsey the Elder will be on the golf-punditry merry-go-round.

Also, scrap 100% profit, Napoli are loaning in Anguissa with a buy option of €10m in a year's time. I think that'll be an absolute steal and they could sell him for quintuple that one day.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 10:24:59 AM
I know we're desperate but there are limits. Besides i'd rather not have to put up with Spurs fans celebrating finally getting rid of him.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
Winks could finally be the Jenas replacement we've all been crying out for all these years.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
Winks is one of those players who, beyond 'midfielder', defies explanation as to what he actually does.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2021, 10:27:28 AM
Winks could finally be the Jenas replacement we've all been crying out for all these years.

We've been missing someone like that since Mark Kinsella.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2021, 10:30:23 AM
Is Winks better than Nkamba?

I know he's become something of a byword for mediocrity, but my answer would be yes, by some distance I would think.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2021, 10:34:26 AM
Is Winks better than Nkamba?
I doubt he's better than Westwood.JWP would have been a replacement for Nakamba.For Saints he plays a dual pivot role.At winning the ball he is as good as Rice and Phillips but a far better passer and then there's his set pieces.A criminally underrated player and so is Ings.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 10:36:41 AM
Apparently Leeds were offered Winks on loan. They said no.
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Post by: aev on August 30, 2021, 10:37:52 AM
I thought Winks was "ok" whenever i saw him.

Playing 3 in midfield, i don't think we can get away with someone that is simply defensive, we have Nakamba for that.

We need someone that is a beast defensively, but also can then get forward if needed. Players like this i guess tend to cost an awful lot of money.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2021, 10:39:25 AM
Apparently Leeds were offered Winks on loan. They said no.

He doesn't sport a man-bun or bunches, or a crap tattoo, which instantly rules him out up there.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
West ham bringing someone else in. I do think this window is going to come across better than it actually is purely on the basis that we got our business done early. Truth it that by the time west ham and alike are done the window will even itself out. We can't hold Dean Smith accountable to anything above a 13th place finish for me now because he can quite rightly say I have the same quality of team (first 11) as last year and those around have invested with a negative net spend.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
Who is the best player in the world with a man-bun? Griezmann?
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 10:45:39 AM
Full detail...

#avfc won’t pursue a deal for #lfc midfielder Curtis Jones. Dean Smith happy with the squad he has, but still has money for a midfielder if a decent deal is forthcoming before tomorrow’s deadline. Already seen bids knocked back for Ward-Prowse and Smith Rowe.


There's some great planning there. Do a deal if a midfielder magically appears in the 24 hours before the window shuts? Great. I think the post above is probably right with predictions of a loan for somebody like Winks. Not good enough or wanted by a club we're competing with, but will give Smith the chance to add another samey midfielder and blather on about his Champions League experience.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 30, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
Winks would be massively underwhelming. Almost more underwhelming than no one at all.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
I always thought Winks was a bit better than most are suggesting and comes across as a decent sort when interviewed but yes i agree that he is 'samey' to what we have. Maybe a little more defensive than some but again not exactly what we need. If it's a choice between him for a resonable fee (or a loan where we're in the driving seat at the end of it), or nothing then i'd take him. If it's a choice of him on loan with Tottenham in the driving seat at the end of it or no one i'd probably take no one and use our own players.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 30, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
Any move for Winks would have a very strong Tom Carroll feel about it.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 11:01:42 AM
People keep going on about Levy's transfer genius with Kane, but if got us to pay money for Winks he'd have topped that.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Winks is very average. But who said we’re moving for him, just the usual click bait.

I also don’t get the concern about other teams moving ahead of us. Whether Arsenal have played city or Chelsea or not, they are in turmoil. West Ham look really good, but lose Antonio to injury and they will struggle a bit. Everton have had a decent start but long way to go.
There really is a habit at looking at everything villa as a bit shite and everything everywhere else as rosey. Yes we need a DM, but we have some really good players when all fit.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 11:05:44 AM
Is Winks better than Nkamba?
I doubt he's better than Westwood.JWP would have been a replacement for Nakamba.For Saints he plays a dual pivot role.At winning the ball he is as good as Rice and Phillips but a far better passer and then there's his set pieces.A criminally underrated player and so is Ings.

I always thought JWP was a bit like McGinn in that he can play DM at a push but it isn't really his game. He's more suited and much more effective if playing alongside a proper DM and being allowed to do things a bit further up the pitch. Not claiming to be an expert on him and from what i have seen he's certainly not under rated by me, i think he's quality but that ones not going to happen unfortunately. I always thought Ings was excellent when i watched Southampton as well and was very pleased with that one. If we can't dominate games from midfield though we're not going to see the best of Ings.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:07:24 AM
Phillip Billing or Ainsley Maitland Niles don't people think they would be useful?
More so than Harry stinks
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Post by: Villan82 on August 30, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
June felt like this was the year we would announce ourselves as challengers. Then ratboy's antics happened and it has disrupted everything. That is my take.

We were on the cusp and have had to re-adjust and re-evaluate everything. Thanks Judas.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 11:07:42 AM
It’s very odd if there is money there for the “right deal”. We should be actively seeking the right deal, it’s an area where we’re not strong enough.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:08:46 AM
June felt like this was the year we would announce ourselves as challengers. Then ratboy's antics happened and it has disrupted everything. That is my take.

We were on the cusp and have had to re-adjust and re-evaluate everything. Thanks Judas.

Give my love to June. I was thinking the same as her.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 11:09:01 AM
People keep going on about Levy's transfer genius with Kane, but if got us to pay money for Winks he'd have topped that.

Yeah, i'd certainly prefer any one of the other midfielders we've been linked with in the last week or so over Winks.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
It’s very odd if there is money there for the “right deal”. We should be actively seeking the right deal, it’s an area where we’re not strong enough.
And how about another back up GK? With Martinez missing
And Heaton gone. All we have is Steer.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 11:10:42 AM
Good point.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 11:12:53 AM
Phillip Billing or Ainsley Maitland Niles don't people think they would be useful?
More so than Harry stinks

I'd say there's a similar chance of Arsenal selling Maitland-Niles to us as there was Smith- Rowe. None at all. Good player though.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 11:13:30 AM
Hourihane off to Sheffield United.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
June felt like this was the year we would announce ourselves as challengers. Then ratboy's antics happened and it has disrupted everything. That is my take.

We were on the cusp and have had to re-adjust and re-evaluate everything. Thanks Judas.

Give my love to June. I was thinking the same as her.

Ha!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Good luck to Hot Lips.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
It’s very odd if there is money there for the “right deal”. We should be actively seeking the right deal, it’s an area where we’re not strong enough.

I find it a bit odd with recruitment this summer as the net spend is zero with the Grealish money?
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2021, 11:18:12 AM
Hourihane off to Sheffield United.


Loan ?
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 30, 2021, 11:23:51 AM
It’s very odd if there is money there for the “right deal”. We should be actively seeking the right deal, it’s an area where we’re not strong enough.
Who said that we aren't?
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 11:24:53 AM
Seems we're clearing the decks...……….


INCOMING!!!!!111ONE
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:25:32 AM
It’s very odd if there is money there for the “right deal”. We should be actively seeking the right deal, it’s an area where we’re not strong enough.
Who said that we aren't?


Time for a stock take Deano !
With CH out on loan let's have one more in .
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Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2021, 11:32:56 AM
Hmm - think they be annoucings winks or RLC soon....
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Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2021, 11:40:47 AM
Phillip Billing or Ainsley Maitland Niles don't people think they would be useful?
More so than Harry stinks

I'd say there's a similar chance of Arsenal selling Maitland-Niles to us as there was Smith- Rowe. None at all. Good player though.

Supposedly off to Everton, loan with an option to buy. Would have been a good option for us, but one of those players who seems to be too versatile for his own good.
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Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 11:48:50 AM
Pretty sure in three years Ramsey the Elder will be on the golf-punditry merry-go-round.
Jacob will be 23 in 3 years' time: hardly ready for the sofa.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 11:50:59 AM
Pretty sure in three years Ramsey the Elder will be on the golf-punditry merry-go-round.
Jacob will be 23 in 3 years' time: hardly ready for the sofa.

Aaron Ramsey the Elder, then! Ramsey the Eldest. As opposed to Ramsey-the-glint-in-the-milkman's-eye.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 11:56:56 AM
Is Winks better than Nkamba?

I know he's become something of a byword for mediocrity, but my answer would be yes, by some distance I would think.

Is he signficantly better than Luiz would be more of a question mark for me. He's barely played in last 18 months for Spurs beyond games in cups.

Feels like Tom Cleverley signing when he last had a good game 2-3 years before we got him and he just spent six months floating around midfield doing very little before Sherwood got 5 good games out of him.
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Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2021, 12:02:51 PM
I'm not saying we should sign him, but he's a better footballer than Nakamba.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
Most of our emergency/last minute transfers and loans have completely sucked. Drinkwater, Baston, Samatta, Carroll. All a complete waste of time, and in the case of 'Drinky', actully made us noticeably worse.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on August 30, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
Pretty sure in three years Ramsey the Elder will be on the golf-punditry merry-go-round.
Jacob will be 23 in 3 years' time: hardly ready for the sofa.

Aaron Ramsey the Elder, then! Ramsey the Eldest. As opposed to Ramsey-the-glint-in-the-milkman's-eye.

Little references like this remind me why I am on the right forum.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2021, 12:13:32 PM
Winks could finally be the Jenas replacement we've all been crying out for all these years.

We've been missing someone like that since Mark Kinsella.

Ashley Westwood? Winks is shite too
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
We probably don’t need a midfielder who blocks the path of the Ramsey brothers, Chuk etc, although I’m a fan of Cantwell. We need one who blocks the path of Nakamba and stops McGinn playing in the wrong position.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
Our midfield was already light if we’re letting Conor go we have to get someone in. I just fear we’ve left it too late for a player with the requisite quality.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 30, 2021, 12:29:11 PM
Winks would be massively underwhelming. Almost more underwhelming than no one at all.

Sad but true.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
We probably don’t need a midfielder who blocks the path of the Ramsey brothers, Chuk etc, although I’m a fan of Cantwell. We need one who blocks the path of Nakamba and stops McGinn playing in the wrong position.

Something like a defensive midfielder then Perce?
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2021, 12:33:16 PM
I'm not saying we should sign him, but he's a better footballer than Nakamba.

Different type of midfielder to Nakamba though. The comparison would be with Luiz and McGinn. 
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
We probably don’t need a midfielder who blocks the path of the Ramsey brothers, Chuk etc, although I’m a fan of Cantwell. We need one who blocks the path of Nakamba and stops McGinn playing in the wrong position.

Quite. I would say if Hourahane is going on loan then someone is coming in but I’ve got a nasty feeling it won’t be the type of player that you, I, and everyone else is agreed on.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2021, 12:38:58 PM
Too many outgoings for me is concerning on the back of an injury/Covid ravaged start. You can't afford to be light in any department in this League. We need another keeper as well. We've gone from 5 down to 2 with Heaton, Nyland and Kalinic leaving....
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2021, 12:40:56 PM
Too many outgoings for me is concerning on the back of an injury/Covid ravaged start. You can't afford to be light in any department in this League. We need another keeper as well. We've gone from 5 down to 2 with Heaton, Nyland and Kalinic leaving....

Sinisalo looks decent
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
I'm not saying we should sign him, but he's a better footballer than Nakamba.

Different type of midfielder to Nakamba though. The comparison would be with Luiz and McGinn. 

It's the replacement for Nakamba we need though.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
We probably don’t need a midfielder who blocks the path of the Ramsey brothers, Chuk etc, although I’m a fan of Cantwell. We need one who blocks the path of Nakamba and stops McGinn playing in the wrong position.

Something like a defensive midfielder then Perce?

Exactly like that mate. Wasn’t particularly excited by the suggestions of Berge earlier in the window but would definitely take him now.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
Looks like Guilbert may be off to Fulham.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 02:11:16 PM
I'm telling you, things are moving behind the scenes. Somewhere in a surrey training complex, a frail looking german with a receding hairline has just finished his tactical talk on Aston Villa, and as the players file out, he briefly looks up from his notes to call after them. "Ross, Danny can I see you both in my office?"

*runs off*
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2021, 02:25:06 PM
We probably don’t need a midfielder who blocks the path of the Ramsey brothers, Chuk etc, although I’m a fan of Cantwell. We need one who blocks the path of Nakamba and stops McGinn playing in the wrong position.

Something like a defensive midfielder then Perce?

Exactly like that mate. Wasn’t particularly excited by the suggestions of Berge earlier in the window but would definitely take him now.
Berge has Covid and would not pass a medical ,so Sheff Utd will keep him until Jan.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Lol...

My eyes hurt reading the last couple of pages. Damsgaard is the only link I've seen that I would be happy with.

Winks... He's a good footballer, but not what we need

Billing... Oh jesus no. He's poor and a waking red card.

Loftus Cheek leaving Chelsea... He was such a talent until 2 years ago. Adds size, but not much else.

We needed a DM and a 10 before the window. We lost our creativity from the left. We have not really replaced any of it and bought 2 right wingers. And the window shuts tomorrow.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 02:34:07 PM
Lol...

My eyes hurt reading the last couple of pages. Damsgaard is the only link I've seen that I would be happy with.

Winks... He's a good footballer, but not what we need

Billing... Oh jesus no. He's poor and a waking red card.

Loftus Cheek leaving Chelsea... He was such a talent until 2 years ago. Adds size, but not much else.

We needed a DM and a 10 before the window. We lost our creativity from the left. We have not really replaced any of it and bought 2 right wingers. And the window shuts tomorrow.

DM definitely.  Not sure we need a 10 as I think an unshackled McGinn can be effective in advanced areas.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
Maitland-Niles begging to be sold on social media. Could we use him?

https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1432330131285151745
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 30, 2021, 02:37:14 PM
He's lined up for Everton i think.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 30, 2021, 02:39:59 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold. 


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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2021, 02:43:21 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold.
you are right, if this is it we are in consolidation mode.
Mid table mediocrity.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold. 






100%
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold.
you are right, if this is it we are in consolidation mode.
Mid table mediocrity.

Agree with you both. Mid table mediocrity might be a bit of a stretch as things stand though.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 02:50:22 PM
He's lined up for Everton i think.

Seems so, but he'd be a very useful pick up for us.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold. 






100%

Bailey was playing at a high level in the bundesliga for last couple of years, hardly completely unproven. The stats say Ings is in the top 3 or 4 premier league strikers over last couple of years and buendia looks good to me so far and has improved with each game. Do we need more to challenge for Europe, maybe the well discussed DM, but I think it’s a bit early for the doom and gloom.
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Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Transfer deadline day is like shopping for a Xmas present for the Mrs late on Xmas Eve. You’ll find something, it’ll be shite, overpriced & nothing that she wants. We’re no longer in the business of just bringing in bodies to fill in the gaps.

I think we’re still limited by the 3 year FFP, which includes our final season in the Championship. I seem to remember being told we wouldn’t be in a position to really compete until we’re out of that.

I would bring in Sander Berge on loan with an option to buy. But like everyone else on here I know feck all.

Sanson, when we eventually get to see him, is Hourihane’s replacement & a significant upgrade.



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Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 30, 2021, 03:57:15 PM
We’re not signing anyone, are we…
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2021, 03:59:32 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold.
you are right, if this is it we are in consolidation mode.
Mid table mediocrity.

Agree with you both. Mid table mediocrity might be a bit of a stretch as things stand though.
yes, it’s about which mini league we are in
1 CL - closed shop
2 those chasing Europa
3 avoiding Relegation
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Post by: Rigadon on August 30, 2021, 04:02:10 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:

1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold. 






100%

Bailey was playing at a high level in the bundesliga for last couple of years, hardly completely unproven. The stats say Ings is in the top 3 or 4 premier league strikers over last couple of years and buendia looks good to me so far and has improved with each game. Do we need more to challenge for Europe, maybe the well discussed DM, but I think it’s a bit early for the doom and gloom.

Consolidation then?
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Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 04:11:41 PM
If we finish 17th lots of people are getting fired.
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
I don’t know how much game time he’ll get at Man Utd this season, and I know he’s getting on a bit now (just turned 33), but would Matic do a job for a season on loan? Apparently he has 2 years left on his contract.

Edit: only started one game so far against Southampton and came on as late sub vs Leeds, so his expect his appearances to be fairly limited at Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!

I did say, I hope it is.  I am sure you are correct but I wonder how in the hell Dean is happy with his squad? 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 30, 2021, 04:46:17 PM
There's nothing to say he's really happy. He's a company man, he'll keep in-house things in-house, but as a Villa man, he will play whatever hand he's ultimately dealt. No manager is ever happy with their squad, surely?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!

The bit about promoting the kids may have some credence though.  There does seem to have been a bit of a shift to including more of the young players in the team and the squad recently.  We know promoting youth has been a focus in the past couple of years and we have spent a considerable amount of money snapping up academy players from far and wide. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!

The bit about promoting the kids may have some credence though.  There does seem to have been a bit of a shift to including more of the young players in the team and the squad recently.  We know promoting youth has been a focus in the past couple of years and we have spent a considerable amount of money snapping up academy players from far and wide. 



yep I hope we are good enough to embrace them
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 05:15:11 PM
We’re not signing anyone, are we…

A week ago after some of the comments from the club I’d have said not a fucking chance but seeing as since then Wesley has gone out, looks like Hourahane is and maybe even Guilbert, and with us also having an injury list as long as your arm i actually think we will tomorrow. Maybe even a couple, possibly one on loan.
It would be criminal not to really. Hourahane is the key to a new midfielder though I think.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 05:33:20 PM
If we don’t bring anybody else in it’s been an uninspiring / borderline shit transfer window:
1. Lose a world class player and our captain
2. Net spend at a minus to get one solid premier league performer, an elderly but still versatile player and a couple of unproven / potentially good players in
3.  Failure to address an obvious flaw in our first team

At very best it’s consolidation, which is not what we’re being sold. 
100%
Bailey was playing at a high level in the bundesliga for last couple of years, hardly completely unproven. The stats say Ings is in the top 3 or 4 premier league strikers over last couple of years and buendia looks good to me so far and has improved with each game. Do we need more to challenge for Europe, maybe the well discussed DM, but I think it’s a bit early for the doom and gloom.
Agree with you, Rambo / Bruno (whatever your name is!). I'm not looking at net spend, I'm looking at the quality of the players we've brought in - it's good.
Now, bring in a CMF and we're good to go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 05:41:33 PM
Are there any known DMCs available for transfer tomorrow?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!

The bit about promoting the kids may have some credence though.  There does seem to have been a bit of a shift to including more of the young players in the team and the squad recently.  We know promoting youth has been a focus in the past couple of years and we have spent a considerable amount of money snapping up academy players from far and wide.
maybe, but it still looks like consolidation rather than driving towards Top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 30, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
We need a cm bad come on lange get one in
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 30, 2021, 06:09:30 PM
We’re not signing anyone, are we…

...Hourahane is the key to a new midfielder though I think.

Let's hope so because if we have to rely on a 36 year old
pre-retiree to fill one of our midfield positions then I'd hate to think what kind of state we're in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Damo70 on August 30, 2021, 06:10:38 PM
I hope I am wrong but I have a really bad sense of foreboding that I just can't shake off about this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2021, 06:12:42 PM
Smith playing Ings just behind Watkins leaves you 2 places in centre mid. And with 6 on the books I cant see us going in for another unless say Marvellous was sold and Chuk or Ramsey were sent out on loan which wont happen this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 06:12:59 PM
We must be doing something to bolster the squad given Conor has gone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Local press saying no one else in. I said a few weeks ago it's going to be a bumpy ride. In 5 games time, there is going to be some interesting threads on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2021, 06:17:31 PM
No quality reserve keeper, gaping hole in midfield, no right back cover, lots of injuries already, on top of a messy pre-season. Hold tight everyone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2021, 06:18:12 PM
I hope I am wrong but I have a really bad sense of foreboding that I just can't shake off about this season.

Stick some cash on relegation to shore us up, Damo!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
i have a feeling he will end up playing Ollie wide 3 to compensate 3 in midfield
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 30, 2021, 06:28:07 PM
I was hoping we would go for Berge at Sheffield United but he’s tested positive for COVID
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 06:28:42 PM
Problem is, we can't replace the Rat. The only way we could would be to have been established in the top 4 already.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

I would snap your hand off for tenth at the moment. Especially having seen us play 3 times in the league and been less than convinced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 30, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
A few weeks ago we were bidding for JWP. Surely that money could unearth a decent DM from Europe?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2021, 06:34:41 PM
I’m not sure how we go from bidding for JWP and that fella from Arsenal to nothing. It is a bit strange. Unless they generally feel they were there to get, failed and nobody else was targeted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2021, 06:37:12 PM
We must be doing something to bolster the squad given Conor has gone.

Sanson was / is Hourihane's replacement, brought in 6 months early than planned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 06:37:49 PM
It’s fucking bonkers that our third choice keeper is now second choice, we’ve moved on our experienced midfield cover, and look to be moving on our right back cover and yet don’t appear to be bringing anyone else in. You’d have thought the injuries/Covid issues might have raised some awareness.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 06:39:48 PM
Confident that Dougie can oick his form up again and Marv can cover I guess.

Pair of 6s in them two, pair of 8s in McGinn and Morgan, wonder if Emi will be more likely to feature at 10 in a diamond or a 433.

We desperately need Bailey for our lightening pace and x-factor magic that we lost with the Rodent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 06:46:27 PM
Emi is not a 10 at the moment. Gets caught on the ball too much in the middle of the pitch. Maybe we will work on that. It does seem like they have settled for a season of transition, but I don't think that is going to end well, and a couple of players will be picked off next summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 06:48:06 PM
Watkins and Bailey on the move means quicker transition though I'd suggest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
Yeah think we’re heading for a bottom half finish given injuries and disruptions

Think the plans were shafted by Joe - and now we’re consolidating.

Maybe management aren’t keen on who we can get and would rather  stick it out then throw money at it
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2021, 06:49:20 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.
Those three players didn’t feature at all last season (hourihane with two games at the start), and they are already replaced in the squad by Tuanzebe/Young, Sanson and Ings.
The gaping hole is obviously the greasy ratty one, those players in a sense are irreplaceable.
I’m looking forwards to seeing Bailey, Beundua, Watkins, Ungs combining in various formations.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 06:50:38 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
I am actually getting more concerned the more I think about our centre mid options. We basically have mcginn, marvellous, an injured Sanson who we have no idea on how he will adapt and a bunch of kids who I still include Luiz in at 22. An argument we need two solid midfielders never mind one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2021, 06:55:48 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.

Last bit only makes sense if you think we lacked one last season as well because last year we had a leftwing who thought he was best in the centre. This year we have Bailey who has played left regularly but is quoted as preferring the right. Given he's pretty 2footed I don't think it makes much difference.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2021, 07:00:41 PM
We must be doing something to bolster the squad given Conor has gone.

Sanson was / is Hourihane's replacement, brought in 6 months early than planned.

Except Sanson plays on the right, Conor on the left. Still, no worry, I'm sure Dean can wedge him in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 30, 2021, 07:03:55 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

Yup.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ez on August 30, 2021, 07:05:27 PM
I wonder if Dean Smith has an agreement with the owners and the CEO that we push the kids forward this season.  We are good enough to stay up with the squad we have, even if that means we fall slightly backwards and end up 17th, it will do the kids good for the experience and will make them stronger for it?  I hope I am talking complete bollocks and the owners want us to finish higher, even with the kids involved!  If Conor and Freddie are going, we have a severely depleted squad for the Chelsea game. Unless the government take Argentina off the red list all of a sudden.

With all due respect, that does sound like total bollocks!

I did say, I hope it is.  I am sure you are correct but I wonder how in the hell Dean is happy with his squad?

Because he believes we are stronger than last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2021, 07:06:05 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

Yup.

That's pretty much what Mings was saying the other day. He thinks we'll have had a good season to repeat last season. Somebody obviously forgot to brief him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 07:07:30 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.
For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.
Feels vry deflating. 10th place at best.
Yup.
Nah.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 07:07:56 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.

Last bit only makes sense if you think we lacked one last season as well because last year we had a leftwing who thought he was best in the centre. This year we have Bailey who has played left regularly but is quoted as preferring the right. Given he's pretty 2footed I don't think it makes much difference.

Regularly is a stretch. He's mainly played on the right. As has Buendia.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2021, 07:12:16 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.

Surely we planned to play Bailey there?  Otherwise our buys were haphazard at best.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2021, 07:13:20 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.
I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.
Last bit only makes sense if you think we lacked one last season as well because last year we had a leftwing who thought he was best in the centre. This year we have Bailey who has played left regularly but is quoted as preferring the right. Given he's pretty 2footed I don't think it makes much difference.
Regularly is a stretch. He's mainly played on the right. As has Buendia.
Both are two-footed. No sweat?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 07:53:45 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

Yup.

Agree. I think the additions we’ve made a really good, but we haven’t gone far enough. We have clear weakness in centre-mid, lack of depth at right back, and goalkeeper. I don’t really understand why we haven’t addressed those.
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Post by: LukeJames on August 30, 2021, 07:59:59 PM
Reading have signed Drinkwater on a Seasons loan. Poor bastards.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
We must be doing something to bolster the squad given Conor has gone.

Sanson was / is Hourihane's replacement, brought in 6 months early than planned.

Except Sanson plays on the right, Conor on the left. Still, no worry, I'm sure Dean can wedge him in.

We managed without Hourihane’s left foot for most of last season. A first choice midfield 3 of Sanson, Luiz & McGinn will do me. Chuck & Ramsey as backup. Nakamba the next to be replaced, when a suitable improvement is available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rougegorge on August 30, 2021, 08:02:23 PM
As soon as Buendia arrived, followed by the bid for Smith-Rowe, that signalled that Grealish was very likely to leave, and the club have said they were catering for that eventuality.

However, it does seem odd that we are seemingly shipping out squad players without strengthening the midfield, and we won't have spent any money in nett terms.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2021, 08:02:34 PM
That midfield finished 11th. And we’ve lost chief rat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 30, 2021, 08:11:48 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

Yup.

True and we really appear to be having a rat boy hangover still
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2021, 08:17:00 PM
so as it stands, Norwich have spent more than us in real terms. Its going to be tough simply to stand still.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
The question  is what does this transfer window signal?
Because the idiot left are we in a Lerneresque retreat from trying to break into the Top6?
Developing a youth and recruitment policy with better coaching, acquisitions and strategy is much better than mumble mumble young and hungry.
But it will only take you so far without sorting out the First Team squad and we have not done that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 08:28:45 PM
We must be doing something to bolster the squad given Conor has gone.

Sanson was / is Hourihane's replacement, brought in 6 months early than planned.

Except Sanson plays on the right, Conor on the left. Still, no worry, I'm sure Dean can wedge him in.

We managed without Hourihane’s left foot for most of last season. A first choice midfield 3 of Sanson, Luiz & McGinn will do me. Chuck & Ramsey as backup. Nakamba the next to be replaced, when a suitable improvement is available.

That 6 isn’t too bad if your ambition is to avoid relegation but is some distance from mid table.
McGinn is quality, Luiz is good but inconsistent, might be really good in a couple of years. Sanson has shown very little so far when playing and is injured a lot. Nakamba is plainly not good enough and is the only one I’d class as a DM. Ramsey is still in development, even less consistent than Luiz and Chuck is 17.
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Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2021, 08:30:23 PM
And our glaring weakness has been midfield, even more so if we want to play a front 4.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 08:39:08 PM
Interesting question as well is, taking McGinn out of it, how many PL starts have the other 5 got between them? Then take Luiz out of it and see how the other 4 look.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: old man villa fan on August 30, 2021, 08:44:20 PM
Defensive midfield is the obvious weakness but, in my opinion, it needs to be better than we currently have.  I am surprised how quickly the young players have developed and I think this season will be the break through season for 2 or 3 of them.  That fills some of the squad places and it may be that the Club think the same.  Bringing in players to make up the numbers will block the progress of the young players.

Players have to be available and they have to be the ones you want if you are planning on them being part of the team for the next 3 or 4 years.  I would prefer to see us bring somebody in on loan if the right player is not available.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 08:49:04 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

I don't know really.

Last season our back up to Ollie was a joke for team trying to finish top half, now we have two top level strikers in the squad.

This time last season Trez was starting every week. Now we all like Trez but really Leon Bailey when fully fit will be streets ahead of him in terms of productivity. Traore will be a good option off the bench and to start games from time to time, same for AEG.

It's certainly far from perfect in central midfield but ulitimately it's still the same CM options as for our flying start last season.

At the back we have Young instead of Neil Taylor as backup LB and four good CBs, again this time last year Hause wasn't seen as good enough and Engels was hiding in some basement in Nechells.

I would say the squad is stronger and that's without hopefully one of the young players making a good impact as the season goes on.

I've said it before but as a fanbase we simply need to move on from Jack Flipping Grealish sooner rather than later. We fawned over him so much while he was here and now it's gone the other extreme and so many still can't get over him leaving. Save all that for the build up to Man. City at home in a few months. In the short term it simply does us no good to basically link him to every conversation currently.

He was a very very good player....but the club will soon have someone of that standard playing. Who knows, he may already be at the club already. I wish we could get Bailey out and starting matches as he's the sort imo that will really excite the fanbase once we see him for 90 minutes.

Underwhelming start and not sure September will be great either but beyond that I think we'll start improving and climbing the table which will hopefully set us up nicely for second half of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 08:51:02 PM
Interesting question as well is, taking McGinn out of it, how many PL starts have the other 5 got between them? Then take Luiz out of it and see how the other 4 look.

Piss poor. But apparently our midfield isn't that at all. Young starting there over Nakamba at the weekend shows that beyond Luiz and McGinn, who have both been patchy at best form wise over the last 2 seasons, we are down to kids and players that would not start in most teams.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 08:51:35 PM
Problem is, we can't replace the Rat. The only way we could would be to have been established in the top 4 already.



Yeah that's the thing. Like for like replacement simply wouldn't be interested in joining us as they all play for CL clubs, we did well signing Bailey from europa league team, same for Traore last summer so that's the standard we'll have to accept until we start qualifying for europa.

We need to replace him in other ways and when they're all fit I think it looks a far stronger attack than last season with some real depth off the bench aswell. Up to Smith to work it out but I'm not getting 2015 vibes tbh when we got it badly wrong post Benteke and Delph.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 08:56:30 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.

Surely we planned to play Bailey there?  Otherwise our buys were haphazard at best.

Think we'll waste months picking completely unbalanced line ups in final third and then around December/January DS will do a last role of the dice and go Ollie wide left, Ings CF, Bailey right and then Buendia as AM and we'll look alright...at least v bottom half teams.

Bit like when Lambert in his first season stumbled upon Weimann-Benteke-Gabby as front three and we looked a real threat going forward even if we were very average elsewhere.

It's a really good test of Dean anyway. How does he keep all the attackers happy? I know we're not in europe but top level managers don't blink at having to keep 5-6 attackers happy, look at all the options Tuchel has and he still demanded Lukaku, same for OGS with Ronaldo.
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Post by: andyh on August 30, 2021, 08:57:42 PM
After losing ratboy, I have worries over who is next to go.
Ollie, when he came on on Saturday for a few minutes, just oozed class and now carries that ‘presence’ of something special.

No doubt he’ll be the next target for one of the big boys. I hope we have leaned.
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2021, 08:58:45 PM
Potentially. I just think it will take time for him to play there. We did look better with Ollie on going forward.

I still think we lack a left winger too as well but time will tell.

Last bit only makes sense if you think we lacked one last season as well because last year we had a leftwing who thought he was best in the centre. This year we have Bailey who has played left regularly but is quoted as preferring the right. Given he's pretty 2footed I don't think it makes much difference.

Regularly is a stretch. He's mainly played on the right. As has Buendia.

I think you might want to check that, for leverkusen he played on the left more often than the right until last season.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
Would seem a bit bizarre if Wesley, Hourihane and guilbert all went out and no-one came in. That leaves us 4 free spaces in the squad, so unless we are deciding to blood the youth, I can only imagine the money isn't there whether that's transfer fees or wages. Still think a player will arrive though.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2021, 09:00:36 PM
Given who we have sold and brought in, and if Wesley Guilbert and Hourihane go, that for me is a weaker squad than before the summer.

For all this 'ratboy' stuff, he was the best player we've had in decades. We've not done enough to counter the impact of losing him.

Feels very deflating. 10th place at best.

I don't know really.

Last season our back up to Ollie was a joke for team trying to finish top half, now we have two top level strikers in the squad.

This time last season Trez was starting every week. Now we all like Trez but really Leon Bailey when fully fit will be streets ahead of him in terms of productivity. Traore will be a good option off the bench and to start games from time to time, same for AEG.

It's certainly far from perfect in central midfield but ulitimately it's still the same CM options as for our flying start last season.

At the back we have Young instead of Neil Taylor as backup LB and four good CBs, again this time last year Hause wasn't seen as good enough and Engels was hiding in some basement in Nechells.

I would say the squad is stronger and that's without hopefully one of the young players making a good impact as the season goes on.

I've said it before but as a fanbase we simply need to move on from Jack Flipping Grealish sooner rather than later. We fawned over him so much while he was here and now it's gone the other extreme and so many still can't get over him leaving. Save all that for the build up to Man. City at home in a few months. In the short term it simply does us no good to basically link him to every conversation currently.

He was a very very good player....but the club will soon have someone of that standard playing. Who knows, he may already be at the club already. I wish we could get Bailey out and starting matches as he's the sort imo that will really excite the fanbase once we see him for 90 minutes.

Underwhelming start and not sure September will be great either but beyond that I think we'll start improving and climbing the table which will hopefully set us up nicely for second half of the season.

A great post!!

There does seem to be a degree of a post Grealish existential crisis going on, that was delayed to an extent by the surprise signing of Ings, but now after a poor performance to Watford and a meh performance to Brentford with more than half the first team out, seems to be gathering pace. Areas of the team team that did well last season , such as Cash and even Martinez are being over analysed as somehow lacking. The midfield is the same midfield as last year, except Ramsey has a year more experience and we simply don’t know what Sanson can or can’t do. I would suggest the axis of Bailey, Buendia, Watkins and Ings is key to where we will finish this season.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 09:00:51 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.

Poor from Dean if that's the case. Got to be more creative than just putting them all out on the pitch and crossing his fingers.

Bit like Solskjaer having a front 4 of Rashford-Ronaldo-Cavani-Sancho and then having Pogba and Fernandes as middle two, it won't happen as they'd be ridiculous unbalanced and picked apart so 2-3 will go on the bench so same should happen here although AEG and Traore are easy picks for impact sub option.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2021, 09:18:54 PM
As we were supposedly interested in Rafinha,Thiago's brother,at PSG and Cheick Doucoure,a young Ligue 1 midfielder,I'm hopeful ,well praying actually,that we'll bring in a DCM.
If we wanted a cheap upgrade on Nakamba,then I would suggest Milner,Milner and Young..what's G.Barry doing ? And also,Matt Grimes of Swansea,reads the game well,decent tackler and accurate passer.Not sure about other countries ,not a Sky subscriber.
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Post by: not3bad on August 30, 2021, 09:23:04 PM
I agree we need a central midfielder but if the right deal was not there it wasn't there. I'm still feeling positive about the new season and think we could see some great performances from Villa.
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Post by: john e on August 30, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.

Never going to happen Smith is not that sort of manager
This is the guy who when we were 1-1 at home against a newly promoted side his first change was to bring on a defensive midfielder who is more defensive than the one he took off
So any talk of him going all Kevin Keegan is very misplaced

Gung ho and cavalier are not a part of Smith make up
Against Watford and Brentford we went behind, I don’t know why we can’t start on the front foot and attack teams like they do us, we stroll around thinking we are better than we really are then get caught
It’s the managers job to get them firing straight away from kickoff I haven’t seen it very often



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Post by: sickbeggar on August 30, 2021, 09:30:52 PM
I agree we need a central midfielder but if the right deal was not there it wasn't there. I'm still feeling positive about the new season and think we could see some great performances from Villa.

The whole squad is looking a bit threadbare now though. I understand getting rid of squad players the manager doesn't fancy, but take out the kids and there's not much there really. Lots of players filling more than one role, a loan centre half, presumably Watkins and ings playing together so only kids for cover there.
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Post by: Monty on August 30, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
Personally I shudder most at the thought of McGinn in a deep midfield two. Luiz makes clear sense in one - McGinn is basically ruined there.

But, to be honest, get used to it. The more you look at it, not just who we've signed but who we've gone for (i.e Ward Prowse as well as Ings), it looks like the plan is to replicate the Southampton high-press low-retention 4-2-2-2. That's why the two big money centre forwards, that's why the inside forward and the wide-right playmaker, and frankly that's why we've looked so planless, disjointed in the 4-3-3 and incoherent in midfield. The plan isn't too be coherent playing through the middle - it's to prioritise energy and overloads in the final third. I personally think this is a bit of an all or nothing, let's-hope-to-God-the-first-eleven-is-fit kind of strategy. But that's what I suspect it is, and maybe it'll work.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
Squad is too thin to loan out the likes of Conor and Guilbert if we can’t find the right deals for players. The start of the season with injuries and COVID should have made it very clear we’re light. Ash is a fine signing as a left back, but there are no circumstances where he should be starting left wing and especially centre-mid. That screams of a lack of depth.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2021, 09:47:39 PM
There does seem to be a degree of a post Grealish existential crisis going on, that was delayed to an extent by the surprise signing of Ings, but now after a poor performance to Watford and a meh performance to Brentford with more than half the first team out, seems to be gathering pace. Areas of the team team that did well last season , such as Cash and even Martinez are being over analysed as somehow lacking. The midfield is the same midfield as last year, except Ramsey has a year more experience and we simply don’t know what Sanson can or can’t do. I would suggest the axis of Bailey, Buendia, Watkins and Ings is key to where we will finish this season.
Unless he is sensible and leaves one of that four on the bench each game then I would suggest it is the axis of McGinn plus one from Luiz/Sanson/Nakamba that will determine where we will finish. Which will be bottom half without addressing the midfield.

I still think we will sign 1 or two decent players tomorrow though.
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Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
I must admit I really hoped and thought we may get JWP. I was convinced he would be a perfect fit for our style of play. Since then it’s gone so quiet and the rumblings to seem to suggest Smith is happy. I’ve said it before but a signing of his calibre could really life the morale of the fans after losing Grealish.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 30, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.

Never going to happen Smith is not that sort of manager
This is the guy who when we were 1-1 at home against a newly promoted side his first change was to bring on a defensive midfielder who is more defensive than the one he took off
So any talk of him going all Kevin Keegan is very misplaced

Gung ho and cavalier are not a part of Smith make up
Against Watford and Brentford we went behind, I don’t know why we can’t start on the front foot and attack teams like they do us, we stroll around thinking we are better than we really are then get caught
It’s the managers job to get them firing straight away from kickoff I haven’t seen it very often

I hope you’re right. :-)
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Post by: ROBBO on August 30, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
The whole situations puzzling to me, there is something going on behind the scenes, the players we have bought in were probably earmarked anyway, Buendia was already here, it looks to me that Grealish leaving has had more impact  on the club not just the fan base. In net terms we have spent nothing and yet with one or two quality players we could still be a top six contender, to me there seems a disjoint between team manager and club management which doesn't bode well for DS should we begin to struggle.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2021, 10:01:23 PM
John McGinn and Douglas Luiz are now the mainstay of our midfield.  Two very inconsistent players who get booked a lot, don't carry a particularly good physical presence and in McGinn's case, give the ball away far two often. When they are good, they can be great but how often does that happen? And it might be as a two this season as we may end up playing with two wingers and two forwards in Ings and Ollie?   Sanson is untested, Nakamba simply isn't good enough.  Ramsey and Chuck will be very good but are young and players they can learn from, playing next to them.  If we are playing a two, then I understand why we are not in for anyone as we are stacked in the centre of the park.  However, if we are to continue with 4-3-3 then we need a classy, influential head in the centre of midfield.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2021, 10:03:30 PM
I hope I am wrong but I have a really bad sense of foreboding that I just can't shake off about this season.
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I think it might be a bit like the Houllier seaso, in that we have a lot of absences and are a bit all over the place in the early part of the season, only for it to come together as players return later on and have a fairly strong finish.

May be completely wrong, but something just doesn't seem quite right at the club at the moment.
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Post by: brian green on August 30, 2021, 10:08:24 PM
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2021, 10:11:35 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.

Never going to happen Smith is not that sort of manager
This is the guy who when we were 1-1 at home against a newly promoted side his first change was to bring on a defensive midfielder who is more defensive than the one he took off
So any talk of him going all Kevin Keegan is very misplaced

Gung ho and cavalier are not a part of Smith make up
Against Watford and Brentford we went behind, I don’t know why we can’t start on the front foot and attack teams like they do us, we stroll around thinking we are better than we really are then get caught
It’s the managers job to get them firing straight away from kickoff I haven’t seen it very often
This is rather unfair.Nakamba for Chuk was the right call as the game was passing him by and we needed to get hold of midfield. Difficult to attack without the ball.
Smith in his first year pre lockdown in the PL had us too expansive and open.  Slow starters. After the restart we were more compact and resilient.Can you describe a manager who oversaw a 7-2 slaughter of the league champions as being timid ? His Brentford team played fluent and expressive football.Slow starters ? Last year early on  took Burnley apart and Spurs the previous year  but lost both.Contrast last year v Spurs away,lost an early goal but with a solid base provided by Nakamba and a good defence,we played them off the park.
Without a solid defence and a midfield able to provide some protection then PL sides can take you apart as Eddie Howe found out to his cost when his forwards for  once could not compensate for the defensive weaknesses.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
I am also starting to wonder whether there's more to the Terry and ROK departures, especially the latter, with the strange timing.

It's probably all irrational but I too have a sneaking bad feeling about this season.
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Post by: andyh on August 30, 2021, 10:14:37 PM
I feel the same.
Coaches leaving, selling our best player, disrupted pre season, strangely conducted signings (I still maintain the Bailey signing is weird), massively disrupted pre season, injuries, and I’ll fated transfer attempts, followed by declarations the squad is strong enough.

From being a club that looked ultra professional, I feel we have started looking a bit disheveled.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:15:31 PM
Good post SHQ, the squad is stronger, the star man weakened, but the burden shared.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2021, 10:15:58 PM
I always worry. Feel like we are Villa and if there's a chance we might get close to being able to seriously challenge, everything will conspire to prevent it.

One big sexy amazing signing to scare everyone was all it would have taken to alleviate any fears and remind the doubters that we mean business.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:19:15 PM
I always worry. Feel like we are Villa and if there's a chance we might get close to being able to seriously challenge, everything will conspire to prevent it.

One big sexy amazing signing to scare everyone was all it would have taken to alleviate any fears and remind the doubters that we mean business.

Maybe we've signed him. Maybe we signed him last season. Let's get fit, get our best XI out there and see how we get on.

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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
If we don’t sign anyone I can only think that he’s going to play the four attacking players and 2 midfield but I shudder at the thought of any of those in a midfield 2 except McGinn. We’ll be in for some high scoring games that’s for sure, not sure if we’ll be on the right end of them. It’ll be like when Spurs had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and Bent and the manager at the time trying to fit 3 or 4 in at a time. He didn’t last long from memory.

Never going to happen Smith is not that sort of manager
This is the guy who when we were 1-1 at home against a newly promoted side his first change was to bring on a defensive midfielder who is more defensive than the one he took off
So any talk of him going all Kevin Keegan is very misplaced

Gung ho and cavalier are not a part of Smith make up
Against Watford and Brentford we went behind, I don’t know why we can’t start on the front foot and attack teams like they do us, we stroll around thinking we are better than we really are then get caught
It’s the managers job to get them firing straight away from kickoff I haven’t seen it very often
This is rather unfair.Nakamba for Chuk was the right call as the game was passing him by and we needed to get hold of midfield. Difficult to attack without the ball.
Smith in his first year pre lockdown in the PL had us too expansive and open.  Slow starters. After the restart we were more compact and resilient.Can you describe a manager who oversaw a 7-2 slaughter of the league champions as being timid ? His Brentford team played fluent and expressive football.Slow starters ? Last year early on  took Burnley apart and Spurs the previous year  but lost both.Contrast last year v Spurs away,lost an early goal but with a solid base provided by Nakamba and a good defence,we played them off the park.
Without a solid defence and a midfield able to provide some protection then PL sides can take you apart as Eddie Howe found out to his cost when his forwards for  once could not compensate for the defensive weaknesses.

Exactly right, examples can picked to prove a point fairly or unfairly. Like it or not we we’re getting exposed in midfield in the second half and the second did pass Chuck by, not his fault at all. Nakamba for all his limitations was precisely the right call then.
How many 3-0 wins did we have last year??
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Post by: Risso on August 30, 2021, 10:22:14 PM
I feel the same.
Coaches leaving, selling our best player, disrupted pre season, strangely conducted signings (I still maintain the Bailey signing is weird), massively disrupted pre season, injuries, and I’ll fated transfer attempts, followed by declarations the squad is strong enough.

From being a club that looked ultra professional, I feel we have started looking a bit disheveled.


I agree, there doesn't seem to have been much good news recently. Greasy going, coaches leaving, going 3-0 down to Watford, quite a few injuries, not getting players like Smith-Rowe or Ward-Prowse, Buendia and Martinez going against the Premier League ban on travel, and then seemingly giving up in the transfer market. As things stand I think we're in for a season of lower mid table rubbish. Not bad enough to get sucked into a relegation scrap, but not good enough to get above half way either.
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Post by: aev on August 30, 2021, 10:33:47 PM
4 points from those first 3 games and the injuries have certainly contributed to an underwhelming start to the season.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 30, 2021, 10:42:19 PM
Apparently sky sports saying dean has money to spend should he want to but its smith saying we dont need anyone. If this is the case and we fail its on smith as we can see me need desperately  need a cm.

Its actually madness smith is being a fool about this if the board are willing to back him for a signing
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
I am also starting to wonder whether there's more to the Terry and ROK departures, especially the latter, with the strange timing.

It's probably all irrational but I too have a sneaking bad feeling about this season.

Yeah that is more difficult to just brush off I think.

I always thought Terry would go eventually and getting in Shakespeare last summer was good insurance as he's a proven coach as part of title winning team there. That said Terry going and not getting a managers job as of yet is a bit odd.

Even odder is O'Kelly leaving two days before start of season when he's been important and stable part of DS coaching staff for pretty much last decade.

I know we got the set piece guy in but we're pretty light for actual coaches now especially as Dean had to isolate for 10 days in pre season so yes think that's actually been as disruptive to the season planning as any players we've signed or sold.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 10:49:42 PM
Terry said he has left to go study up a bit more and tour Europe or something.

You can tell this is a forum packed full of Brummies. Jaysus.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2021, 11:01:30 PM
I feel the same.
Coaches leaving, selling our best player, disrupted pre season, strangely conducted signings (I still maintain the Bailey signing is weird), massively disrupted pre season, injuries, and I’ll fated transfer attempts, followed by declarations the squad is strong enough.

From being a club that looked ultra professional, I feel we have started looking a bit disheveled.


I agree, there doesn't seem to have been much good news recently. Greasy going, coaches leaving, going 3-0 down to Watford, quite a few injuries, not getting players like Smith-Rowe or Ward-Prowse, Buendia and Martinez going against the Premier League ban on travel, and then seemingly giving up in the transfer market. As things stand I think we're in for a season of lower mid table rubbish. Not bad enough to get sucked into a relegation scrap, but not good enough to get above half way either.

Agreed. It all feels very flat. I don't think we will end the season with Dean in charge either. Something is off at the moment in my opinion.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 11:09:01 PM
I think it’s poor that we haven’t addressed the midfield. JWP as a target was spot on for me, but I don’t for a second believe he’s the only player who could do the job we need. Why haven’t we found someone else?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:11:45 PM
I would have been happy to have signed all or any of these players who are moving to Wolves , Leeds , Everton and Palace: Renato Sanches, Dan James, Maitland Niles , Odsonne Edouard disappointed as all quality, affordable and would be great competition within the squad
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 11:12:09 PM
We don't need any of them.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:16:23 PM
We don't need any of them.
Squad game. Would enhance competition
Sanches in particular would boss the midfield he was brilliant at the Euros.
Edouard I think better than Wesley and 3 top strikers would be good
James as a winger to compete
And Mainland Niles afforded flexibility in midfield and full back

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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 11:17:39 PM
We have better in the squad.

Ings and Watkins, Bailey, Beundia, Traore, AEG, Trez- how many do we need?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2021, 11:21:22 PM
Trez will be out for the season, but I agree attacking players isn’t the issue. It’s what’s behind them where we’re light.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
We have better in the squad.

Ings and Watkins, Bailey, Beundia, Traore, AEG, Trez- how many do we need?
I just feel we need more and better competition in every position.
Plus how often is everyone fit and firing.
Having more players to choose from allows more possibilities in game options.
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Post by: Ads on August 30, 2021, 11:29:31 PM
Nah not having it. None of those players would improve us and none are necessary.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2021, 11:30:56 PM
Trez will be out for the season, but I agree attacking players isn’t the issue. It’s what’s behind them where we’re light.

Makes it odd we were sort of linked to Damsgaard today. Guess it's just agent talk unless the latest plan for this season is to turn Buendia into an 8 in the midfield setup!

Luiz/McGinn-----Buendia

Bailey-----Ings------Damsgaard

                 Watkins
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:35:20 PM
Trez will be out for the season, but I agree attacking players isn’t the issue. It’s what’s behind them where we’re light.
For midfielders
Tom Davies of Everton.
Good energy and fiesty.
23 now and quality to progress and can play the central middle role up and down gets challenges in. I feel he's better than Harry Winks.

Bournemouth Midfielders
Lewis Cook is quite a Dean Smith type of player to sit and play the ball in middle
And Phil Billing someone I've touted a few times now power midfielder. 6'6. Physical and flexibility as a central midfielder. Scores goals.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2021, 11:38:50 PM
For midfielders
Tom Davies of Everton.
Good energy and fiesty.
23 now and quality to progress and can play the central middle role up and down gets challenges in. I feel he's better than Harry Winks.

No thanks, would rather the original Hugh Hefner! https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/davies-calvert-lewin-new-york-17736361
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:40:18 PM
Nah not having it. None of those players would improve us and none are necessary.
Fair enough if you don't feel they would improve but necessary I think is one for further thought
 I feel it's a rotation in teams now that's needed and therefore sqaud must be effective. Players must get use to being in squad rather than a regular 11.
That's how the very top teams are or have very high calibre squad options.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 30, 2021, 11:44:59 PM
Feel we missed out on Shaqiri at 12 million would have been a steal. Michael Olise was value  And Damari Gray free transfer

To replace Grealish we needed several creative and attacking players along with what we signed having more players of this ilk that can create are essential to me
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2021, 12:00:11 AM
I would have been happy to have signed all or any of these players who are moving to Wolves , Leeds , Everton and Palace: Renato Sanches, Dan James, Maitland Niles , Odsonne Edouard disappointed as all quality, affordable and would be great competition within the squad

I'd take Sanches out of that lot to replace Hourihane and am surprised he's in talks with Wolves (apart from the obvious Portugal link) as I'd expect a bigger move after impressing at Lille and for Portugal. The rest I wouldn't be interested in.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2021, 12:05:51 AM
Dutch man Koopmeiners is off to Atlanta for 12 million.
Midfielder who can play in defence.
Dam shame missing out on him

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2021, 12:09:51 AM
Dutch man Koopmeiners is off to Atlanta for 12 million.
Midfielder who can play in defence.
Dam shame missing out on him

Someone's been working on his material. ;)
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2021, 12:30:10 AM
I would love it if we signed Saul Niguez from Atletico Madrid.
Leicester rumoured to be interested.
Previously Man Utd and Liverpool this window but Saul is exactly the high quality type of midfielder we should be going for
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Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 12:53:23 AM
I would have been happy to have signed all or any of these players who are moving to Wolves , Leeds , Everton and Palace: Renato Sanches, Dan James, Maitland Niles , Odsonne Edouard disappointed as all quality, affordable and would be great competition within the squad

I'd take Sanches out of that lot to replace Hourihane and am surprised he's in talks with Wolves (apart from the obvious Portugal link) as I'd expect a bigger move after impressing at Lille and for Portugal. The rest I wouldn't be interested in.

I think Sanches has the potential to be a good signing for us. Still needs a bit of work which is perhaps not ideal but he is very fast on the cover and can bring the ball forward from deep without very easily being knocked off the ball. We could do with both those attributes imo.
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 31, 2021, 03:21:12 AM
Makes it odd we were sort of linked to Damsgaard today.

What does 'sort of linked' mean, mate? Most of the links, at the best of times, I believe to be entirely made up.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 06:35:33 AM
Unless they want to suprise us i cant see anyone coming in. I think this is going to be absolutely fatal mistake.

I think smith is going to be reliant on chuk and ramsey to be more involved in the first team. As good as chuk looks he is 17. Ramsey has impressed this year so im hoping he can kick on now as he was generally average most of last year.

I just think if luiz picks up a injury we are stuffed.
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Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 07:37:07 AM
The biggest concern regarding playing options is the amount of international football planned for the next 15 months: with more internationals and a currently-small squad, the international absences will hurt us.
This is perhaps where Smith's lack of big-club experience will bite us.
This is the strongest argument for bringing in a couple more players now.
Koopmeiners and Sanches are two that I think we've missed a trick on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 07:40:20 AM
Well we're told he's happy with his squad. I don't believe that for a second, so there's either something happening today or the club have put the mockers on any more spending because even  a stopgap is better than nothing. If he is actually happy, then unfortunately I think he may have sacked himself. A week is a long time in politics but a month is even longer in football and if we struggle as predicted in the next 4 games, then come October we better be beating the teams we're expected to beat.
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Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2021, 07:40:33 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 31, 2021, 07:43:19 AM
Generally happy with our dealings with plans obviously altered when Alice Band Ltd went off to Citeh.

I do think it would be a mistake to go into the season with Nakamba as our only true DCM. He's not good enough for where we aspire to be.
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Post by: Rigadon on August 31, 2021, 07:47:51 AM
A bigger problem with Nakamba is that he isn’t good enough for where we are right now, let alone where we are supposedly trying to get to. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 07:52:13 AM
A bigger problem with Nakamba is that he isn’t good enough for where we are right now, let alone where we are supposedly trying to get to. 




He is. He is actually perfect, similar to El Ghazi I'm that he is good enough to compete but not great to create a lot of interest elsewhere which makes them the perfect back up player. We just can't have him starting too many.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 07:55:31 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2021, 08:03:43 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 08:04:57 AM
Looks like sanches is off to wolves on loan. Wouldn't have cist us a fee
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 08:13:24 AM
I am not convinced he's all that great to be fair, although he will probably be incredible now.
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Post by: KRS on August 31, 2021, 08:31:39 AM
If we don’t sign anyone today to strengthen the midfield then I think the biggest problem will have been the communication and expectation level the club set the fans this season. We all know the current squad isn’t good enough to realistic push the European places however the sound bites coming out of the club was that this was the aim for this season so we were led to believe further signings would be incoming after the initial three main signings so far. If the targets have changed since we sold Grealish then that message hasn’t been communicated to the fans in any way…other than the fact that they haven’t done any further business. When most of the best teams above us are strengthening their squads, the gap only becomes wider, and if DS is genuinely happy with this squad and believed it’s good enough to push for Europe then he’s completely deluded. If we don’t see any quality incomings today then we’ll know for certain that our actual targets don’t meet the ones they publicly communicated.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2021, 08:35:57 AM
agreed - we haven't spent anything this summer which is worrying, especially so when we have so many injuries, plus people risking themselves on international duty.
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Post by: ROBBO on August 31, 2021, 09:02:34 AM
I get to watch all matches over here and it looks to be a harder season, Arsenal for all their performances so far will not be relegation material, Wolves should have beaten United easily, only Newcastle, so far can as i see, are going to struggle.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 31, 2021, 09:05:54 AM
I can't shake the feeling that Ratboy really derailed their plans for the summer. Look how desperate they were to keep him? Throwing a massive contract in front of him? I wonder if he was what they used to sell the club to transfer targets?

I honestly believe he delivered one of the hardest kicks to the balls this club has ever had.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 09:06:16 AM
I noted Everton, another club reputedly with owners with deep pockets have currently spent less than 1m net. Has anyone got a list of the current spends, specifically those clubs we are/were looking to overhaul from last season?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2021, 09:15:30 AM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/transfers/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2021/s_w/s
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 09:18:42 AM
Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 09:25:47 AM
I can't shake the feeling that Ratboy really derailed their plans for the summer. Look how desperate they were to keep him? Throwing a massive contract in front of him? I wonder if he was what they used to sell the club to transfer targets?

I honestly believe he delivered one of the hardest kicks to the balls this club has ever had.

I used to believe that but don’t now
more that comes out about Grealish it obvious he’s been looking to get away for a couple of seasons now
Yeah he played us fans for fools but the club would have known His intentions
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ez on August 31, 2021, 09:37:41 AM
I can't shake the feeling that Ratboy really derailed their plans for the summer. Look how desperate they were to keep him? Throwing a massive contract in front of him? I wonder if he was what they used to sell the club to transfer targets?

I honestly believe he delivered one of the hardest kicks to the balls this club has ever had.

I was wondering how many of our new signings were taken with the prospect of playing alongside him only to find they aren't.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 31, 2021, 09:41:16 AM
I can't shake the feeling that Ratboy really derailed their plans for the summer. Look how desperate they were to keep him? Throwing a massive contract in front of him? I wonder if he was what they used to sell the club to transfer targets?

I honestly believe he delivered one of the hardest kicks to the balls this club has ever had.

I was wondering how many of our new signings were taken with the prospect of playing alongside him only to find they aren't.

Presumably only potentially Buendia?  Bailey was after and so was Ings, and I'm sure Young wouldn't have been star-struck anyway!
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 09:44:12 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week

Just to correct you all it needs is "one" other person to say he is clueless then it becomes a we. That part of your post was unnecessary. Anyway in subject

Of course it has to be right player, not a panic buy but i find it hard to believe there are not better players out there than nakamba.  If we have aspirations for europe we wont get there if nakamba has to play week in week out if luiz gets injured. Not sure if he has aspirations to play axel there but my preferred option would be a player proven in that position.

JJ, chuk, sanson and mcginn are not ball winning midfielders. We need another one of them in my opinion. A more solid tank like player. We don't have any of those.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 09:47:51 AM
Axel would make enough sense at the base of a 4-3-3, in a pinch. In a 4-4-2? Not for a day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
Anyone take a 12 month loan of Lingard to play 10?
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Post by: Risso on August 31, 2021, 09:52:25 AM
Anyone take a 12 month loan of Lingard to play 10?

Back off to Wet Spam isn't he?
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 09:53:15 AM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?
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Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 09:53:49 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.
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Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 09:54:06 AM
Anyone take a 12 month loan of Lingard to play 10?

No ta
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2021, 09:54:11 AM
Anyone take a 12 month loan of Lingard to play 10?

Yes, but only if it didn't mean a more solid central midfielder coming in. Need a younger Jedinak.

Also think we have the answer to number 10 in McGinn, and Buendia. Suspect we will see Ings play there though as Smith tries multiple ways to play too many attacking players at the same time.
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Post by: Villan82 on August 31, 2021, 09:54:46 AM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
Anyone take a 12 month loan of Lingard to play 10?

Back off to Wet Spam isn't he?

They have just signed Vlasic who will likely play there so I doubt it. It was a tongue in cheek suggestion, although he would probably do quite well for us if he kept his form from last season.
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Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
And I forgot to say our younger group look bloody good. As do the numerous signings we've made to the Academy (apparently).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

On paper we do but we wont really know until xmas time. I havent been overly impressed with the play so far in the first three games, however i accept its

A) early days
B) poor pre season preparation
C) injuries
D) we havent been able to field anywhere close to our strongest side yet
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 31, 2021, 10:02:29 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

The answer to above is that you won't know until you have seen him play more than a handful of games.
The last player I saw that was similar to Sanson in style & noting their previous clubs preferred position was Stan Petrov; do you think Stan (in his prime), would be be a good DM for this current team?
I do not believe for one minute the management & owners are not aware of what is required to push on to the next level & are doing what they believe is necessary to achieve that target, in a sustainable way taking into account of any high cost signings not making the grade & needing to be moved on at a loss.
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Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 10:13:41 AM
Net spend alone isn't necessarily the argument, nobody wants to see money spent just for the sake of it. However, the net spend combined with a big hole in the team is frustrating, because it means there must be money there to address it, and therefore it's going unaddressed for some unknown reason.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week

Just to correct you all it needs is "one" other person to say he is clueless then it becomes a we. That part of your post was unnecessary. Anyway in subject

Of course it has to be right player, not a panic buy but i find it hard to believe there are not better players out there than nakamba.  If we have aspirations for europe we wont get there if nakamba has to play week in week out if luiz gets injured. Not sure if he has aspirations to play axel there but my preferred option would be a player proven in that position.

JJ, chuk, sanson and mcginn are not ball winning midfielders. We need another one of them in my opinion. A more solid tank like player. We don't have any of those.

No but your tone indicated you thought ‘we’ as in a number of us think Smith is clueless. I don’t think he’s clueless either.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2021, 10:30:29 AM
Lookman going to Leicester
I wonder if that opens up a chance to sign Callum Hudson Odoi as I think it was one or the other attacking player for Leicester
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
Why would we be after him?
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Post by: Shrek on August 31, 2021, 10:33:29 AM
Lookman going to Leicester
I wonder if that opens up a chance to sign Callum Hudson Odoi as I think it was one or the other attacking player for Leicester

If it does, I hope we steer clear. He is utter dross. Bidace has shown more the bits we’ve seen already.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 10:45:26 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

Do you genuinely think, during a match, we are stronger going forward now than we were with Grealish, Barkley, Watkins and Traore? I admire the confidence and really hope you are right. I think we are all trying to pretend like the best player in a generation that we have had is replaceable, and I have seen nothing of Villa under Smith to think that he is. I don't argue we have not bought in good players, but the logic and the team shape with them I am struggling with. We will find out in time of course, and I really hope you are spot on.
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Post by: Big Ming on August 31, 2021, 10:51:07 AM
With Sarr and Anguissa apparently gone or going elsewhere, the only one of our much talked about possible CDM 'targets' remaining  seems to be Doucoure (unless I missed something?).

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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
I’d happily go along with the positive posts about greater strength in depth and giving the kids a pathway if there was just one more signing for the base of the midfield where we have seemingly no promising kids or adequate seniors.
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Post by: AV82EC on August 31, 2021, 10:54:26 AM
I’d happily go along with the positive posts about greater strength in depth and giving the kids a pathway if there was just one more signing for the base of the midfield where we have seemingly no promising kids or adequate seniors.

Perfectly put and I’d say where most of us are at.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 10:56:08 AM
With Sarr and Anguissa apparently gone or going elsewhere, the only one of our much talked about possible CDM 'targets' remaining  seems to be Doucoure (unless I missed something?).



Who looks on paper ideal and not that expensive. While we are in transition, bedding in a player like him would surely be a good idea.
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Post by: Vegas on August 31, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

Very sensible and balanced summary. I basically agree. The issue for me is that it could quite conceivably have been amazing, with one blockbuster CM signing (a Bissouma-type player). As it is, it’s kind of fine, steady improvement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.
When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.
Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.
I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.
I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.
The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.
Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.
Totally with you on this, Drummond, with the addition of a CMF dynamo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 31, 2021, 11:11:29 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

Do you genuinely think, during a match, we are stronger going forward now than we were with Grealish, Barkley, Watkins and Traore? I admire the confidence and really hope you are right. I think we are all trying to pretend like the best player in a generation that we have had is replaceable, and I have seen nothing of Villa under Smith to think that he is. I don't argue we have not bought in good players, but the logic and the team shape with them I am struggling with. We will find out in time of course, and I really hope you are spot on.


This is the big question.

It's alright suggesting we've replaced Grealish with 3 players, but unfortunately you cant play 13 vs 11.

I think the attack is OK, but where we'll miss Grealish is in augmenting the midfield and left side of the defence, which both protected Targett and allowed him to get further up the field. 

As a result we'll struggle to get sustained periods up the pitch and be able to press the opposition as we did last year - although Watkins being out hasn't helped so far in that regard either. 
Maybe it's Smith intention to play more on the break which we didn't have the pace to do last year, and which might lessen our reliance on an out-and-out defensive CM?


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week

Just to correct you all it needs is "one" other person to say he is clueless then it becomes a we. That part of your post was unnecessary. Anyway in subject

Of course it has to be right player, not a panic buy but i find it hard to believe there are not better players out there than nakamba.  If we have aspirations for europe we wont get there if nakamba has to play week in week out if luiz gets injured. Not sure if he has aspirations to play axel there but my preferred option would be a player proven in that position.

JJ, chuk, sanson and mcginn are not ball winning midfielders. We need another one of them in my opinion. A more solid tank like player. We don't have any of those.

No but your tone indicated you thought ‘we’ as in a number of us think Smith is clueless. I don’t think he’s clueless either.

Its not really important  is it?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 11:15:33 AM
Just on Smith my opinion was that if the owners have only spent the money that has come in to the club then they haven't sufficiently back him. Having thought about it even more, isn't the a responsibility on his part to manage upwards a little bit here and present to the owners why we need a better central midfield, the benefits of what it will achieve and point out that we haven't actually spent anything this summer (net)? He is either happy with his squad, in which case he is accountable or he isn't in which case should he make himself accountable?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
He is either happy with his squad, in which case he is accountable or he isn't in which case should he make himself accountable?

Thats the way i look at it. If its a success its a master stroke by smith. If its a cosmic failure then it is also on smith.

One positive is that we will be in profit for once and not have such heavy losses like last few seasons. The 100m spent is all the grealish money none of the huge tv money we get.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

Do you genuinely think, during a match, we are stronger going forward now than we were with Grealish, Barkley, Watkins and Traore? I admire the confidence and really hope you are right. I think we are all trying to pretend like the best player in a generation that we have had is replaceable, and I have seen nothing of Villa under Smith to think that he is. I don't argue we have not bought in good players, but the logic and the team shape with them I am struggling with. We will find out in time of course, and I really hope you are spot on.

ozz I think Watkins-Ings-Bailey can be a terrific front 3 for us in a month or two's time. It's not perfect having to move Ollie a bit wider but many clubs who finish above us season in season out do it with CFs so Dean just going to have to suck it up and do what he did at Brentford when he had Watkins and Mauapy as the two CFs.

Hopefully we see that at Chelsea and they can click sooner or later.

Looks like nothing much happening for us today, disappointing really as too many clubs going to expose us centrally.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
West Ham close to getting another Czech midfielder. Moyes has done a spectacularly good job second time round there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on August 31, 2021, 11:40:45 AM
Just on Smith my opinion was that if the owners have only spent the money that has come in to the club then they haven't sufficiently back him. Having thought about it even more, isn't the a responsibility on his part to manage upwards a little bit here and present to the owners why we need a better central midfield, the benefits of what it will achieve and point out that we haven't actually spent anything this summer (net)? He is either happy with his squad, in which case he is accountable or he isn't in which case should he make himself accountable?

I think any time anyone points to our summer transfer business, and makes it Smith's responsibility, I don't think they understand how our club runs its transfer business these days.  Is he involved in transfers? Yes, absolutely.  Does he make recommendations on players he'd like - yes, absolutely. Can he veto a transfer, almost certainly. But we have a vast machine now that takes care of that side of things, with all sorts of analytics and variables considered.

We know from the JWP bid that we wanted to buy him, and I suspect we've tried to buy others who were on our list for that position once we'd been rejected, but there comes a point where you're looking at your 3rd, 4th or even 5th choice and wondering if they even improve you all that much at all.

I genuinely believe we've tried to sign at least one top-class midfielder this summer. It hasn't happened, and I don't know why, but I suspect it comes down to the club not feeling they could get good value for money.  We're not in Europe, so there is a limit to who we could realistically sign, and it might be we've decided if the ones we've identified can't be bought, then we'll make do with what we've got.

The alternative I guess would be to keep throwing money around and making it impossible for a selling club to say no, but the owners don't strike me as the sort to do that.  They'll invest, and heavily, but they won't pay more than someone is worth.  I thought it was telling when Purslow said Joe's release clause was at a level they didn't think someone would pay.  That is an indication of where the club's head is at in terms of player value.

I would have loved a top DCM this summer, but if we end up without one, I don't for one moment think it's because the club doesn't think it's needed - just that they couldn't get a deal done that they were comfortable with.  I just hope it doesn't come to haunt us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 11:46:08 AM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.

Agree 100% on both counts.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
Very disappointing deadline day so far though, no quotes from Mr. Woodhall (yet) on the BBC transfer page.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 31, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
Concerned.

We're definitely still short in central/defensive midfield  Brentford were overrunning us at times on Saturday. We'll be ripped apart by better teams, I fear. Hopefully John McGinn will stay fit for the rest of the season when he comes back, but I don't think that will be enough, much as I love the guy. Not sure about Sanson yet.

I'm hoping (suspecting in vain!) that we'll have a signing at the eleventh hour that will take everyone by surprise, like the Ings one.🤞
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on August 31, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
Just on Smith my opinion was that if the owners have only spent the money that has come in to the club then they haven't sufficiently back him. Having thought about it even more, isn't the a responsibility on his part to manage upwards a little bit here and present to the owners why we need a better central midfield, the benefits of what it will achieve and point out that we haven't actually spent anything this summer (net)? He is either happy with his squad, in which case he is accountable or he isn't in which case should he make himself accountable?

I think any time anyone points to our summer transfer business, and makes it Smith's responsibility, I don't think they understand how our club runs its transfer business these days.  Is he involved in transfers? Yes, absolutely.  Does he make recommendations on players he'd like - yes, absolutely. Can he veto a transfer, almost certainly. But we have a vast machine now that takes care of that side of things, with all sorts of analytics and variables considered.

We know from the JWP bid that we wanted to buy him, and I suspect we've tried to buy others who were on our list for that position once we'd been rejected, but there comes a point where you're looking at your 3rd, 4th or even 5th choice and wondering if they even improve you all that much at all.

I genuinely believe we've tried to sign at least one top-class midfielder this summer. It hasn't happened, and I don't know why, but I suspect it comes down to the club not feeling they could get good value for money.  We're not in Europe, so there is a limit to who we could realistically sign, and it might be we've decided if the ones we've identified can't be bought, then we'll make do with what we've got.

The alternative I guess would be to keep throwing money around and making it impossible for a selling club to say no, but the owners don't strike me as the sort to do that.  They'll invest, and heavily, but they won't pay more than someone is worth.  I thought it was telling when Purslow said Joe's release clause was at a level they didn't think someone would pay.  That is an indication of where the club's head is at in terms of player value.

I would have loved a top DCM this summer, but if we end up without one, I don't for one moment think it's because the club doesn't think it's needed - just that they couldn't get a deal done that they were comfortable with.  I just hope it doesn't come to haunt us.
Agree with this, and also Drummond's post.  I think we'd all want another midfielder, but if there's none available who'd be a significant upgrade on Nakamba, I'm happy with sticking with what we've got.

We'd look weaker whatever summer we lost Joe.  It'd look like a bad summer almost regardless of who we replaced him with.  We'd also probably have a neutral or slightly negative net spend, given it was a record fee he went for and we're broadly looking at players that'll increase in value rather than ones at their peak.

The start of the season seems to have been severely disrupted by injuries and COVID.  We're mainly playing our 'backup' options at the moment, so it's not overly surprising that we're not tearing many sides to shreds.  But we're not utterly awful either, first half against Watford aside.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 11:57:30 AM
Just on Smith my opinion was that if the owners have only spent the money that has come in to the club then they haven't sufficiently back him. Having thought about it even more, isn't the a responsibility on his part to manage upwards a little bit here and present to the owners why we need a better central midfield, the benefits of what it will achieve and point out that we haven't actually spent anything this summer (net)? He is either happy with his squad, in which case he is accountable or he isn't in which case should he make himself accountable?

I think any time anyone points to our summer transfer business, and makes it Smith's responsibility, I don't think they understand how our club runs its transfer business these days.  Is he involved in transfers? Yes, absolutely.  Does he make recommendations on players he'd like - yes, absolutely. Can he veto a transfer, almost certainly. But we have a vast machine now that takes care of that side of things, with all sorts of analytics and variables considered.

We know from the JWP bid that we wanted to buy him, and I suspect we've tried to buy others who were on our list for that position once we'd been rejected, but there comes a point where you're looking at your 3rd, 4th or even 5th choice and wondering if they even improve you all that much at all.

I genuinely believe we've tried to sign at least one top-class midfielder this summer. It hasn't happened, and I don't know why, but I suspect it comes down to the club not feeling they could get good value for money.  We're not in Europe, so there is a limit to who we could realistically sign, and it might be we've decided if the ones we've identified can't be bought, then we'll make do with what we've got.

The alternative I guess would be to keep throwing money around and making it impossible for a selling club to say no, but the owners don't strike me as the sort to do that.  They'll invest, and heavily, but they won't pay more than someone is worth.  I thought it was telling when Purslow said Joe's release clause was at a level they didn't think someone would pay.  That is an indication of where the club's head is at in terms of player value.

I would have loved a top DCM this summer, but if we end up without one, I don't for one moment think it's because the club doesn't think it's needed - just that they couldn't get a deal done that they were comfortable with.  I just hope it doesn't come to haunt us.


It might not be his responsibility to find the signings I pretty sure everyone understands that. It is his responsibility to get results on the pitch, which is aided by the players we sign, so if he doesn't feel we have adequate cover in say defensive midfield options, he should make it clear. Does he have it him to ask that question of those above him That? Or is he likely to sit in press conferences and say he's happy with what he has. That is the point I was making, not that Smith should be accountavle entirely for who comes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2021, 12:05:19 PM
Worth remembering Nakamba has started 2 of the 3 prem games on the bench so far so not like he's an automatic starter for us (although he probably will start many games up to January if we sign no one in next 12 hours).

It's crucial though just to give us more strength in central midfield and also allow Luiz and McGinn to push forward a bit more and maybe score a goal or two.

Where we are as a club this season that would be o.k midfield for me but just seems we're lacking and we're going to be putting out magic hat 11s for the next two months. If we're doing it post November then don't think Dean will be lasting too much longer in the job.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 12:06:23 PM
The people above him would presumably love him to go public with his concerns and criticisms of the club's business.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 12:06:40 PM
The team on paper is good enough for top 10. Anything less for me would be a failing season.

Are we stronger than the likes of Everton,  west ham snd you could even throw  in leeds spurs for Europe? I am not so sure. I think we definitely should be looking ti be finishing above arsenal though.  Id be disappointed if we finish below them again
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
The Athletic, who seem to be relatively well connected, seemed to indicate that any incomings would be dependent on Conor and Guilibert leaving on loan.  Well both have (the latter is close to joining Strasbourg) so surely these outgoings must indicate an incoming?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
The people above him would presumably love him to go public with his concerns and criticisms of the club's business.




He doesn't have to go public, that quite rightly would never happen. Does he have it I'm him privately to do it?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
The people above him would presumably love him to go public with his concerns and criticisms of the club's business.




He doesn't have to go public, that quite rightly would never happen. Does he have it I'm him privately to do it?

Like you, I don't know so it's a weird thing to speculate about as no answer will ever emerge. You mentioned his press conferences, which tend to be public.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: rooboy316 on August 31, 2021, 12:13:19 PM
There was a sense of urgency with Joe around, about making the most of it and getting into Europe. Now he’s left, maybe we can be a bit more patient in building. Find better value players and not pay over the odds to fill gaps. Being a bit light on in cm/dm will see us exposed at times, and it’ll be frustrating. But it also allows us to give Chuk, Ramsey et al more opportunities than they otherwise would get, which is better in the medium term.

I think 10th would be difficult to achieve and that feels disappointing in contrast to the optimism around the club at the start of summer, and talk of making a big push for Europe. I have faith though that the rebuild will succeed, sustainably, even if joe’s departure has pushed that back a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2021, 12:19:44 PM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week

Just to correct you all it needs is "one" other person to say he is clueless then it becomes a we. That part of your post was unnecessary. Anyway in subject

Of course it has to be right player, not a panic buy but i find it hard to believe there are not better players out there than nakamba.  If we have aspirations for europe we wont get there if nakamba has to play week in week out if luiz gets injured. Not sure if he has aspirations to play axel there but my preferred option would be a player proven in that position.

JJ, chuk, sanson and mcginn are not ball winning midfielders. We need another one of them in my opinion. A more solid tank like player. We don't have any of those.

No but your tone indicated you thought ‘we’ as in a number of us think Smith is clueless. I don’t think he’s clueless either.

Its not really important  is it?

No I’m the grand scale of things it’s not important. But there is a tendency on some of these threads over the last couple of years, for various posters to incline towards the anti smith at any given opportunity. Totally your or their perogative and your totally in your rights, but the collective ‘we’ intimates the clueless smith comment is widely felt. It’s not the impression I get either amongst my various group of villa mates, or even in the ground over the last couple of games.
There is a lot more semi hysteria on here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
The net spend argument is completely clouded by the record transfer fee that came in.

When you look at the players in, and out, we're stronger.

Out
Ratboy
Wesley
Hourihane
Guilbert
Engels
Heaton

In
Ings
Buendia
Bailey
Young
Tuanzebe

We're stronger up front, we're stronger in defence, and we're down Hourihane in midfield. (Sanson came in early so could be argued to be a replacement, though given Hourihane was on loan too it's not really much different)

Goalkeeper is weaker though we've brought Sinisalo back from a solid season of first team football in Scotland.

I'd say the only area we've not upgraded (or downgraded) is central midfield, yet we have McGinn and Luiz who are both good players. We have Nakamba, Sanson, as seniors and Ramsey, Chukwuemeka as younger players coming through.

I suspect the sort of player we want we haven't been able to get yet, but it's not the disaster some are making out.

The other thing I'd like to say is that we have a much better squad than we have had for a long time. We are improving and frankly need to again this year. I think we can but we've had a rough few weeks with Covid-19 and injuries which has distorted things.

Re the coach situation, we've brought in MacPhee and another is serving notice elsewhere. We're freshening things up.

Do you genuinely think, during a match, we are stronger going forward now than we were with Grealish, Barkley, Watkins and Traore? I admire the confidence and really hope you are right. I think we are all trying to pretend like the best player in a generation that we have had is replaceable, and I have seen nothing of Villa under Smith to think that he is. I don't argue we have not bought in good players, but the logic and the team shape with them I am struggling with. We will find out in time of course, and I really hope you are spot on.

Given that Bailey and Traore are still out and Watkins has had 10 minutes, then not yet, no. But I believe we will be.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
The Athletic, who seem to be relatively well connected, seemed to indicate that any incomings would be dependent on Conor and Guilibert leaving on loan.  Well both have (the latter is close to joining Strasbourg) so surely these outgoings must indicate an incoming?

Those two were always going to leave. I don't think it indicates any incomings. Hourihane had already been replaced in the squad by Ramsey/Sanson. Seems like Tuanzebe/Young are our backup right back option(s) instead of Guilbert.

The well flagged bid for JWP suggests the Smith are trying to rectify the gap we have in midfield, maybe there will be a late addition here today.

Our signings suggest some muddled thinking post Grealish. Luiz/McGinn sitting with three from Buendia, AEG, Traore, Bailey, Watkins, Sanson, Ramsey supporting Ings? With Buendia out we might try 433 against Chelsea with Ramsey in next to McGinn and Luiz. Might be a bit better balanced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ketzster on August 31, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
If we don’t bring anyone in today in midfield will it make me nervous betw now and January? absolutely, will it be a disaster, doom & gloom scenario? No way.

Club have invested a lot in Sanson, we need him on the field so we can judge if he is good enough, you don’t spend 14m on a player who was valued much higher before the French tv crisis crashed the market over there and not see him as a likely starter - he needs to be fit and play.

If there is an opportunity to bring in a player who can consistently do the good things Nakamba does in one off games but is also capable of actually passing the odd ball forwards then would hope to get it done- if that player isn’t available or doesn’t want to come to us then we go with what we have.

But even with sanson he isnt the dm we are looking for. He is more of a creative attacking player.

We are so lightweight in the middle of the park its unbelievable. If smith cant see that he is more clueless than we thought

I don’t think he’s clueless at all so that’s a ‘you’ or ‘I’ not a ‘we’

We are light in there undoubtedly but it has to be right player incoming, someone who demands a shirt every week

Just to correct you all it needs is "one" other person to say he is clueless then it becomes a we. That part of your post was unnecessary. Anyway in subject

Of course it has to be right player, not a panic buy but i find it hard to believe there are not better players out there than nakamba.  If we have aspirations for europe we wont get there if nakamba has to play week in week out if luiz gets injured. Not sure if he has aspirations to play axel there but my preferred option would be a player proven in that position.

JJ, chuk, sanson and mcginn are not ball winning midfielders. We need another one of them in my opinion. A more solid tank like player. We don't have any of those.

No but your tone indicated you thought ‘we’ as in a number of us think Smith is clueless. I don’t think he’s clueless either.

Its not really important  is it?

No I’m the grand scale of things it’s not important. But there is a tendency on some of these threads over the last couple of years, for various posters to incline towards the anti smith at any given opportunity. Totally your or their perogative and your totally in your rights, but the collective ‘we’ intimates the clueless smith comment is widely felt. It’s not the impression I get either amongst my various group of villa mates, or even in the ground over the last couple of games.
There is a lot more semi hysteria on here.

Whilst acknowledging he has done fine overall, the 4 people I go with, and the 3 or 4 other Villa supporting friends I have, all think Smith isn’t good enough so it is impossible to say what the general consensus on Smith is. If you took the people I know, it would be 100 per cent saying make a change, but obviously I’m well aware that that isn’t the opinion of all Villa fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.
Fucking hell, are we spitting into happy clapper and doom-monger camps again?  It's just a few fucking people chatting on an internet forum.  Someone who thinks it's a bit odd we've finished the summer in the black and seem to have holes in the squad is now guilty of histrionics and entitled petulance?  For Christ's sake, if only we could all be perfect fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Vegas on August 31, 2021, 12:32:00 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 12:33:42 PM
Very quiet on that there twitter for villa links apart from Loftus-cheeek :o. I've taken it upon myself to monitor the Harry Winks situation for everyone as I don't want any unpleasant surprises without having any whisky in the house beforehand.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 12:35:02 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

I blame the world we live in now. People want everything right now, in the way they want it and if can't be exactly right the world's gone to shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
I'm going on the piss. I expect we will have spent a hundred million or so by the time I've sobered up or there will be trouble.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 12:37:25 PM
The people above him would presumably love him to go public with his concerns and criticisms of the club's business.




He doesn't have to go public, that quite rightly would never happen. Does he have it I'm him privately to do it?

Like you, I don't know so it's a weird thing to speculate about as no answer will ever emerge. You mentioned his press conferences, which tend to be public.



Not really, there are lots of things we discuss on here that the truth never comes our. We can discuss what we think of deans character if we wish? You're on the defensive though so I get it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 12:38:27 PM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.
Fucking hell, are we spitting into happy clapper and doom-monger camps again?  It's just a few fucking people chatting on an internet forum.  Someone who thinks it's a bit odd we've finished the summer in the black and seem to have holes in the squad is now guilty of histrionics and entitled petulance?  For Christ's sake, if only we could all be perfect fans.

I wouldn't ask for perfection but some marginal gains could see some of you making vital improvements. A bit of work on breathing techniques, raw eggs for breakfast, that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
The people above him would presumably love him to go public with his concerns and criticisms of the club's business.




He doesn't have to go public, that quite rightly would never happen. Does he have it I'm him privately to do it?

Like you, I don't know so it's a weird thing to speculate about as no answer will ever emerge. You mentioned his press conferences, which tend to be public.



Not really, there are lots of things we discuss on here that the truth never comes our. We can discuss what we think of deans character if we wish? You're on the defensive though so I get it.

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 31, 2021, 12:42:12 PM


It's alright suggesting we've replaced Grealish with 3 players, but unfortunately you cant play 13 vs 11.

This.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 31, 2021, 12:49:12 PM


It's alright suggesting we've replaced Grealish with 3 players, but unfortunately you cant play 13 vs 11.

This.

I don't see why not - add in the ref and his assistants and Manure have got away with playing 14 against us for the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2021, 12:54:26 PM
Ads made a very good point earlier in the month of how bringing in a quality defensive midfielder could/would improve the performances of Luiz and SJM by 30%. By not bringing in a DM we continue the policy of square peg round hole. If Aristotle was a Villa fan, I'm sure he'd agree that the whole is poorer than the sum of its parts..again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 12:54:45 PM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.
Fucking hell, are we spitting into happy clapper and doom-monger camps again?  It's just a few fucking people chatting on an internet forum.  Someone who thinks it's a bit odd we've finished the summer in the black and seem to have holes in the squad is now guilty of histrionics and entitled petulance?  For Christ's sake, if only we could all be perfect fans.

Does my head in Chris. You are not allowed a negative opinion without name calling and all sorts of classifications. Bed wetter, melt down etc. With you all the way. All are entitled to their view without it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 12:56:46 PM
Ramboandbruno You are correct about certain posters coming out as anti Smith at any given opportunity
And that is the knub of the matter it’s at the right at the heart of everything We discuss
I am probably one of those posters but I don’t see myself as anti Smith i am just not as convinced as others

My own position is very simple and I’ve said many times on here Jack Grealish is why we are where we are without him Smith wouldn’t even be in a job imo
I know there’s no such thing as a one-man team as every team has 11 players but we were close as you could get to it

Now the question is can Smith take us into the top half, top eight, top six without Grealish
We talk about the project we talk about The quest for European spots
But the evidence so far with a Smith team without Grealish is not good

Hand on heart I don’t think he’s good enough to take us into the top six
I don’t think that’s anti Smith I think that’s just me being honest About how far he can take us
Like certain players Hourahine, Hutton, Albert You need them to get you so far but then they aren’t good enough to get you further and it’s the same with managers

Now I’m not looking for Smith to fail I want him to succeed believe me more than anything
I’ve been a wrong loads of times before and I wouldn’t mind being wrong this time either
Yes I know he’s done everything he’s been asked of so far but like I say he’s had one of the best players in the world helping him out
We are spending hundreds of millions So the demands are high

Anyone else thinking the same as I do raises the question of
When do you say goodbye
Who do you bring in

Honestly I don’t know but we’re not there yet I’m not calling for him to go I’m just saying I’m not convinced he can take us ultimately to where we want to be
I know posters will take this as a personal affront and it’s not it’s just me Voicing what I’m thinking about where I think we are at that moment







Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 31, 2021, 12:57:26 PM


It's alright suggesting we've replaced Grealish with 3 players, but unfortunately you cant play 13 vs 11.

This.


I don't see why not - add in the ref and his assistants and Manure have got away with playing 14 against us for the last 30 years.

Don't exaggerate- only 13 vs 11 surely. They had 12 at Wolves on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 12:58:38 PM
Ramboandbruno You are correct about certain posters coming out as anti Smith at any given opportunity
And that is the knub of the matter it’s at the right at the heart of everything We discuss
I am probably one of those posters but I don’t see myself as anti Smith i am just not as convinced as others

My own position is very simple and I’ve said many times on here Jack Grealish is why we are where we are without him Smith wouldn’t even be in a job imo
I know there’s no such thing as a one-man team as every team has 11 players but we were close as you could get to it

Now the question is can Smith take us into the top half, top eight, top six without Grealish
We talk about the project we talk about The quest for European spots
But the evidence so far with a Smith team without Grealish is not good

Hand on heart I don’t think he’s good enough to take us into the top six
I don’t think that’s anti Smith I think that’s just me being honest About how far he can take us
Like certain players Hourahine, Hutton, Albert You need them to get you so far but then they aren’t good enough to get you further and it’s the same with managers

Now I’m not looking for Smith to fail I want him to succeed believe me more than anything
I’ve been a wrong loads of times before and I wouldn’t mind being wrong this time either
Yes I know he’s done everything he’s been asked of so far but like I say he’s had one of the best players in the world helping him out
We are spending hundreds of millions So the demands are high

Anyone else thinking the same as I do raises the question of
When do you say goodbye
Who do you bring in

Honestly I don’t know but we’re not there yet I’m not calling for him to go I’m just saying I’m not convinced he can take us ultimately to where we want to be
I know posters will take this as a personal affront and it’s not it’s just me Voicing what I’m thinking about where I think we are at that moment









I agree 100%. With a heavy heart, but I think without Jack he's going to be exposed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
I'm still hopeful Smith can take us into the top 6.  Not this season with this squad though.  Apologies for the histrionics, petulance and wet bed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
So far we've had about half an hour of Jacks direct replacement being in our team and he got an assist and looked very dangerous. Maybe it'd be fairer to see how things go over the next couple of months than to judge Smith now based on when Grealish hasn't been available in the past.

That's not to say you're wrong to think Smith might fall short but just pointing out that some of the comments verge on people having already decided that Smith is going to fail this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2021, 01:05:51 PM
Ramboandbruno You are correct about certain posters coming out as anti Smith at any given opportunity
And that is the knub of the matter it’s at the right at the heart of everything We discuss
I am probably one of those posters but I don’t see myself as anti Smith i am just not as convinced as others

My own position is very simple and I’ve said many times on here Jack Grealish is why we are where we are without him Smith wouldn’t even be in a job imo
I know there’s no such thing as a one-man team as every team has 11 players but we were close as you could get to it

Now the question is can Smith take us into the top half, top eight, top six without Grealish
We talk about the project we talk about The quest for European spots
But the evidence so far with a Smith team without Grealish is not good

Hand on heart I don’t think he’s good enough to take us into the top six
I don’t think that’s anti Smith I think that’s just me being honest About how far he can take us
Like certain players Hourahine, Hutton, Albert You need them to get you so far but then they aren’t good enough to get you further and it’s the same with managers

Now I’m not looking for Smith to fail I want him to succeed believe me more than anything
I’ve been a wrong loads of times before and I wouldn’t mind being wrong this time either
Yes I know he’s done everything he’s been asked of so far but like I say he’s had one of the best players in the world helping him out
We are spending hundreds of millions So the demands are high

Anyone else thinking the same as I do raises the question of
When do you say goodbye
Who do you bring in

Honestly I don’t know but we’re not there yet I’m not calling for him to go I’m just saying I’m not convinced he can take us ultimately to where we want to be
I know posters will take this as a personal affront and it’s not it’s just me Voicing what I’m thinking about where I think we are at that moment









I agree 100%. With a heavy heart, but I think without Jack he's going to be exposed.

Time will tell. I'm looking forward to seeing what attacking formations he comes up with as season goes on and how he rotates everyone as that's what the top managers do with ease, can Dean do it or will it be a chase of just starting them all game after game and crossing fingers even if it exposes us in other areas?

Perhaps Buendia openly defying his wishes makes that easier for September games at least, can see him being on the bench a bit when he returns so that can make things more balanced in final third.

What I really don't hope has happened is DS going cold on a DM as he has no real idea what to do upfront now and obviously getting in a DM makes it even less likely we can fit all four in from the start.

I do think there's a bit of Grealish syndrome around DS for some. People so wedded to the idea that those two were going to lift a major trophy for us in coming years it's a struggle to come to terms it won't happen now so idea anyone else could do it is difficult to grasp. For many he's the perfect Villa manager but that dosen't mean we should just give him a free pass all the time. If someone better is available and wants the job then I suspect the owners will be thinking long and hard in 12 months time if this season just drifts around mid table as looks likely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 01:06:17 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.

Because they can see the evidence with players no longer being quite good enough. All DS has done is improve us year-on-year. If we're near the bottom halfway through the season then I think most people would see a case for getting somebody else in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 01:13:20 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's also an eye test to pass here, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2021, 01:13:35 PM
A good, sensible post, Smithy. Not to mention any names, of course, but I doubt it'll be popular with some of the posters on this thread, lacking as it does histrionics, over-simplification and entitled petulance.

Agree 100% on both counts.

Yes very said Smithy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ketzster on August 31, 2021, 01:14:01 PM
Ramboandbruno You are correct about certain posters coming out as anti Smith at any given opportunity
And that is the knub of the matter it’s at the right at the heart of everything We discuss
I am probably one of those posters but I don’t see myself as anti Smith i am just not as convinced as others

My own position is very simple and I’ve said many times on here Jack Grealish is why we are where we are without him Smith wouldn’t even be in a job imo
I know there’s no such thing as a one-man team as every team has 11 players but we were close as you could get to it

Now the question is can Smith take us into the top half, top eight, top six without Grealish
We talk about the project we talk about The quest for European spots
But the evidence so far with a Smith team without Grealish is not good

Hand on heart I don’t think he’s good enough to take us into the top six
I don’t think that’s anti Smith I think that’s just me being honest About how far he can take us
Like certain players Hourahine, Hutton, Albert You need them to get you so far but then they aren’t good enough to get you further and it’s the same with managers

Now I’m not looking for Smith to fail I want him to succeed believe me more than anything
I’ve been a wrong loads of times before and I wouldn’t mind being wrong this time either
Yes I know he’s done everything he’s been asked of so far but like I say he’s had one of the best players in the world helping him out
We are spending hundreds of millions So the demands are high

Anyone else thinking the same as I do raises the question of
When do you say goodbye
Who do you bring in

Honestly I don’t know but we’re not there yet I’m not calling for him to go I’m just saying I’m not convinced he can take us ultimately to where we want to be
I know posters will take this as a personal affront and it’s not it’s just me Voicing what I’m thinking about where I think we are at that moment

I agree. Of course those that think Smith isn’t good enough want to be proven wrong. But, it’s hard to see how they will be. Like you say, the record without Grealish is extremely poor and on Saturday for example, despite the injuries, he had an opportunity to show that he could adapt and change formation accordingly. He didn’t, instead keeping his 4-3-3 and putting Ashley Young in central midfield. We all say he should do this, do that regarding formation but we all know it will 4-3-3 in some form, no matter who is available. Looking at the next 6 games, things could look pretty bleak after 10 games. We know things aren’t good under Smith without Grealish, and as unfair as it may seem to some, I think that it would have been better to be proactive rather than get to 10 games and see the same thing happening again. This time Grealish isn’t going to come back to rescue him
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's an eye test to pass as well, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.

He's had three injury/Covid-ravaged games! If he's to fail to improve us then he'll need time to prove that, just as he will to take us higher.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 31, 2021, 01:20:40 PM
If we don't stiffen up the centre of midfield, the better sides (and even some of the lesser sides) are going to walk straight through us and cause big problems, as we have already seen. We need to win, keep and distribute the ball far better than we have managed to date.

Or else another season of desperately hacking it clear from defence and watching it come rebounding straight back again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 01:20:43 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's an eye test to pass as well, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.

He's had three injury/Covid-ravaged games! If he's to fail to improve us then he'll need time to prove that, just as he will to take us higher.

He's had 3 spells without him when injured for significant periods, and averaged bottom 6 form each time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 01:21:13 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's an eye test to pass as well, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.

He's had three injury/Covid-ravaged games! If he's to fail to improve us then he'll need time to prove that, just as he will to take us higher.

I didn't mean he's had the chance! Just that it's hard to infer anything all that promising from his non-Jack record. Nothing particularly negative, either, because again he hadn't had the chance to seriously build without him yet. But if there's doubt about his ability to move the club on without Grealish, it's hardly based on sugar-rush Twittery impatience alone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's an eye test to pass as well, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.

He's had three injury/Covid-ravaged games! If he's to fail to improve us then he'll need time to prove that, just as he will to take us higher.

He's had 3 spells without him when injured for significant periods, and averaged bottom 6 form each time.

I wasn't talking necessarily about the Man City lad. We've signed some players of a higher quality that we didn't have last season, or the one before, so let's see how they do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 01:23:00 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.

Because they can see the evidence with players no longer being quite good enough. All DS has done is improve us year-on-year. If we're near the bottom halfway through the season then I think most people would see a case for getting somebody else in.

People see it at different speeds with managers as well though. There were plenty of people who saw through O'Neill and his faults and thought them reason enough to bin him out a long time before we did, even while the majority in here (me included) were still pointing at small improvements. Turns out the impatient types were right on that one and we actually should been cold and cut him loose a good couple of years before most supporters would have called for it.

Obviously the year-on-year improvements that Smith has brought are large and noticeable, not small and incremental. But I think Monty's point is perfectly sound.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:24:54 PM
Does he have to go dramatically backwards? Or would middling around and lacking any recognisable style or making the same mistakes over again count as well? There's an eye test to pass as well, which is one that Solskjaer, for instance, is failing. I'm not saying that Smith has failed it at all, but he's yet to prove he can move beyond where we are - especially without Grealish.

He's had three injury/Covid-ravaged games! If he's to fail to improve us then he'll need time to prove that, just as he will to take us higher.

I didn't mean he's had the chance! Just that it's hard to infer anything all that promising from his non-Jack record. Nothing particularly negative, either, because again he hadn't had the chance to seriously build without him yet. But if there's doubt about his ability to move the club on without Grealish, it's hardly based on sugar-rush Twittery impatience alone.

Sure. I'd just rather we make decisions based on results achieved (or not achieved) with the new squad rather than on hunches.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.

Because they can see the evidence with players no longer being quite good enough. All DS has done is improve us year-on-year. If we're near the bottom halfway through the season then I think most people would see a case for getting somebody else in.


Obviously the year-on-year improvements that Smith has brought are large and noticeable, not small and incremental. But I think Monty's point is perfectly sound.

Monty's point is perfectly sound in that, yes, it's possible he's taken us as far as he can. My point is also perfectly sound, in that we don't know one way or the other so let DS prove it to us either way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 01:30:57 PM
I don't think anyone is saying sack him. They are saying they don't have confidence, based on the style of play, decisions made, squad he's built etc, that he will take us to top 10/ 6. I think all of them would happily give him all the time possible to show he can, and all are desperately hoping he does. We are allowed to say how we think it will go, share our concerns for the season etc, without wanting him sacked or being accused of histrionics. In ten games if we are comfortable in mid table and look like we are starting to gel, I think 90% of us will be delighted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 01:32:36 PM
With Guilbert why are we not pushing to sell him ffs? Loans dont benefit us at all. Lets get some cash in for him. As clearly smith dont want him here

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 01:35:59 PM
Of course, he'll have the chance to prove it, anything else would be Jesus Gil territory. In the question of how optimistic we are, well, there have been done very unpromising signs so far and in the past, but there are several mitigations for these, and you have to decide which weigh heavier for you. For various reasons, my worries are outweighing the mitigations, but I'd absolutely love it if they were unfounded in the end.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 31, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
A lot of loans have prearranged deals at the end of them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 01:36:13 PM
With Guilbert why are we not pushing to sell him ffs? Loans dont benefit us at all. Lets get some cash in for him. As clearly smith dont want him here



I think he wants to be back in France and there are no takers on a perm.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 01:36:32 PM
I don't think anyone is saying sack him. They are saying they don't have confidence, based on the style of play, decisions made, squad he's built etc, that he will take us to top 10/ 6. I think all of them would happily give him all the time possible to show he can, and all are desperately hoping he does. We are allowed to say how we think it will go, share our concerns for the season etc, without wanting him sacked or being accused of histrionics. In ten games if we are comfortable in mid table and look like we are starting to gel, I think 90% of us will be delighted.

Yes, of course. I aimed the histrionics bit at one poster's point earlier, whose point was patently bollocks, but I didn't want to start an argument. Now I've started 4 or 5! Apologies for any offence caused
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 31, 2021, 01:37:43 PM
Stepping back, I have to say, I would take anything north of 14th.

We forget where we have come from. When we were in the wilderness of the Championship I would have snapped your hand off for mid-table mediocrity in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2021, 01:43:13 PM
Stepping back, I have to say, I would take anything north of 14th.

We forget where we have come from. When we were in the wilderness of the Championship I would have snapped your hand off for mid-table mediocrity in the top flight.

Disappointing if some mid table clubs like Wolves and Palace go past us tbh. Wolves have looked good first 3 games but still haven't scored a goal and wasted countless chances so dosen't look much different to last season and Palace are very much a work in progress team.

Leeds so far look a bit weaker than last season aswell and they finished one place above us.

Just writing off even a 10th place finish this season is far too premature. Remember that season under O'Leary when we were 18th at xmas and finished 6th and could've easily been higher. Arsenal last season were bottom 6 going into the new year and were 5 minutes from making europe.

Guess the DM will have to wait until January but we can still pick up points in the meantime to at least stay in the mix.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 31, 2021, 01:45:40 PM
Apparently we're done according to Tom Ross (yes, I know!).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
To get to 55 points we need 1.5 points per game ish, which would put us around tenth. I think that's a tough ask looking at our fixtures. Once the window officially closes I will do a poll to canvas where we are. Until then I'm holding out for a late Wink.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 01:47:45 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.

Because they can see the evidence with players no longer being quite good enough. All DS has done is improve us year-on-year. If we're near the bottom halfway through the season then I think most people would see a case for getting somebody else in.

But that’s exactly what will happen
He’s not going anywhere and nor should he
He will be given time to prove himself at this level

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2021, 01:50:29 PM
To get to 55 points we need 1.5 points per game ish, which would put us around tenth. I think that's a tough ask looking at our fixtures. Once the window officially closes I will do a poll to canvas where we are. Until then I'm holding out for a late Wink.

It's a long season ozz. We got to 55 points despite having that awful run from middle of Feb until pretty much the last 3-4 games.

Also need to remember it's very rare you get 55 points and don't finish top 10 given how abnormal all the away records were with no crowds. One season under Mon we finished 6th with 58 points didn't we?

If we get 50 + points we'll be in the top 10 I'm sure. Think they'll be a big gap between 4th and 5th this season so those teams will be more closely in pack to teams below them.

Don't think we'll get many points next month but I'd like to think we can start getting some results from October onwards. Southampton, Brighton and Palace all in November so I'd say that's a pretty good guide for how our season will develop as by then we should be putting out a settled team compared to these first 3 games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
Yeah maybe. My concern is the next 5 games sap our confidence. We could really do with picking up 2 wins in that run to just stay above the struggling sides before the sp called easier run kicks in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 31, 2021, 01:56:53 PM
To get to 55 points we need 1.5 points per game ish, which would put us around tenth. I think that's a tough ask looking at our fixtures. Once the window officially closes I will do a poll to canvas where we are. Until then I'm holding out for a late Wink.

It's a long season ozz. We got to 55 points despite having that awful run from middle of Feb until pretty much the last 3-4 games.

Also need to remember it's very rare you get 55 points and don't finish top 10 given how abnormal all the away records were with no crowds. One season under Mon we finished 6th with 58 points didn't we?

If we get 50 + points we'll be in the top 10 I'm sure. Think they'll be a big gap between 4th and 5th this season so those teams will be more closely in pack to teams below them.

Don't think we'll get many points next month but I'd like to think we can start getting some results from October onwards. Southampton, Brighton and Palace all in November so I'd say that's a pretty good guide for how our season will develop as by then we should be putting out a settled team compared to these first 3 games.
Always remembering that Southampton, Brighton and Palace will all have US marked down as winnable games by then....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2021, 02:17:48 PM
Ramboandbruno You are correct about certain posters coming out as anti Smith at any given opportunity
And that is the knub of the matter it’s at the right at the heart of everything We discuss
I am probably one of those posters but I don’t see myself as anti Smith i am just not as convinced as others

My own position is very simple and I’ve said many times on here Jack Grealish is why we are where we are without him Smith wouldn’t even be in a job imo
I know there’s no such thing as a one-man team as every team has 11 players but we were close as you could get to it

Now the question is can Smith take us into the top half, top eight, top six without Grealish
We talk about the project we talk about The quest for European spots
But the evidence so far with a Smith team without Grealish is not good

Hand on heart I don’t think he’s good enough to take us into the top six
I don’t think that’s anti Smith I think that’s just me being honest About how far he can take us
Like certain players Hourahine, Hutton, Albert You need them to get you so far but then they aren’t good enough to get you further and it’s the same with managers

Now I’m not looking for Smith to fail I want him to succeed believe me more than anything
I’ve been a wrong loads of times before and I wouldn’t mind being wrong this time either
Yes I know he’s done everything he’s been asked of so far but like I say he’s had one of the best players in the world helping him out
We are spending hundreds of millions So the demands are high

Anyone else thinking the same as I do raises the question of
When do you say goodbye
Who do you bring in

Honestly I don’t know but we’re not there yet I’m not calling for him to go I’m just saying I’m not convinced he can take us ultimately to where we want to be
I know posters will take this as a personal affront and it’s not it’s just me Voicing what I’m thinking about where I think we are at that moment

John, I completely get where you coming from with this and respect that view totally, and I think I’ve probably said before, although I personally think Smiths done really well and can take us to the next level, if he can’t he’ll go, no doubt. And again your right, it’s a huge challenge for him now with Grealish gone, to show he can do it with the three or four new attack minded players brought in.
What I suppose irks me, is not your take on it, but regular reasons for some posters to decry the bloke. Finished 11th instead of 9th, Smiths shite, never beat Brentford with 5 or 6 first teamers out, manager might be gone by Xmas, no CDM bought, Smith is clueless etc etc. It’s a bit like we’re still in a crisis as a club, when we’ve moved far beyond that.
Anyway, it’ll all come out in the wash over the coming weeks and months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

I blame the world we live in now. People want everything right now, in the way they want it and if can't be exactly right the world's gone to shit.

It's the football club owners who make the changes though, not fans. The average tenure for a Premier League manager is less than two years. Don't forget that if it wasn't for the first lockdown and the Chelsea match being called off, that the very strong rumours were that lose that game, and Smith was gone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 02:29:29 PM
Don't think we'll get many points next month but I'd like to think we can start getting some results from October onwards. Southampton, Brighton and Palace all in November so I'd say that's a pretty good guide for how our season will develop as by then we should be putting out a settled team compared to these first 3 games.
Judging by the late deals going on, our midtable rivals are strengthening as we claim to have finished our business: this may well not bode well for us.
It is the fabled CMF that will offer us tactical options and the ability to squad-rotate, but we may not see that.
I'm not clear about Smith, his abilities and his guiding principles. We've seen evidence of tactical capability and of managerial naivety. We've seen his loyalty to players and a seeming disconnect with some players.
I've said earlier that the apparent blindspot represented by the absence of a top-class DMF might suggest he believes it to be unnecessary, preferring the grafting / passing / scoring MF offered by McGinn, Sanson, Luiz and Ramsey Major; all of whom can 'do everything'. He may be perfectly happy with Nakamba coming in to a game to see it out (although his introduction on Saturday was bizarre: taking off Chuky on 62 was the right thing to do, along with bringing Watkins on at the same time, with Buendia going to the 10 role; not Nakamba, though, surely!!).
The link to JWP was interesting when linked with Grealish's comment about Villa needing a set-piece specialist: perhaps when it became clear the he was leaving they cooled on bringing in JWP.

All of which makes this season really interesting .... if only one could be dispassionate about it (which I certainly can't!).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Skerra on August 31, 2021, 02:44:14 PM
Looks like we are one of the very few teams not being mentioned in any transfer activity just now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2021, 02:44:40 PM
I’d happily go along with the positive posts about greater strength in depth and giving the kids a pathway if there was just one more signing for the base of the midfield where we have seemingly no promising kids or adequate seniors.
Exactly my viewpoint too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 02:44:48 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

I blame the world we live in now. People want everything right now, in the way they want it and if can't be exactly right the world's gone to shit.

We’ve gone 25 years now without winning a major trophy
So much for getting what we want now
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 02:56:07 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

Without at all calling for him to be replaced, it is obvious that doing that and breaking into the top tier of the division require different skills - I mean, my God, how many times has Steve Bruce won promotion or finished midtable in the PL? I struggle to see how everyone can accept that players can be good up to a certain point, but not acknowledge that managers can be the same.

Because they can see the evidence with players no longer being quite good enough. All DS has done is improve us year-on-year. If we're near the bottom halfway through the season then I think most people would see a case for getting somebody else in.


Obviously the year-on-year improvements that Smith has brought are large and noticeable, not small and incremental. But I think Monty's point is perfectly sound.

Monty's point is perfectly sound in that, yes, it's possible he's taken us as far as he can. My point is also perfectly sound, in that we don't know one way or the other so let DS prove it to us either way.

I completely agree. I think we're all furiously agreeing with each other in that Smith is doing a decent job and should stay until that changes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2021, 02:59:12 PM
Have to say deadline day is far better having switched off searching #avfc on Twitter-although pretty certain nothing is happening with Villa just bobbing on here every now and again is way better then refreshing that every 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on August 31, 2021, 03:14:44 PM
What happened to the cheap midfielder from the Dutch league? He was supposed to have signed for us after the Newcastle game? Even he'd do!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
Hasn't he gone to Forest?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 03:43:46 PM
Choudhury available from Leicester - anyone?!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
Choudhury available from Leicester - anyone?!

UFC?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 03:46:08 PM
Choudhury available from Leicester - anyone?!

He's looked decent whenever I've seen him, which is whatever minuscule number of minutes I've seen him play against us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 03:47:22 PM
Carvalho man. Cheap. Not even a win-the-ball-give-it-to-someone-good DM which would be good enough, but a win-the-ball-surge-forward-and-pinpoint-pass-to-a forward DM
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 03:47:34 PM
Choudhury available from Leicester - anyone?!
UFC?
Is that "U effing crazy?!
Or, "I thought he was signing for the Barcodes?"

Neither - still available to someone on a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 03:48:17 PM
Sanches also still available apparently.
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Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 03:49:19 PM
Ampadu as DMF?

(sorry if I'm comong over all F-V on you!!).
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Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2021, 03:49:56 PM
Sanches also still available apparently.

Lille want to loan him out - what's the harm in inquiring?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
I’d be very very surprised if we had any surprise late incomings at this stage. Hope I’m wrong as we really could do with at least one more proven quality player in midfield but I just don’t see it happening. Reserve keeper and backup RB also concerns me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KRS on August 31, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
Sanches also still available apparently.
Apparently he’s injured and out for at least a month. Should fit right in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2021, 03:57:58 PM
Choudhury available from Leicester - anyone?!
UFC?
Is that "U effing crazy?!
Or, "I thought he was signing for the Barcodes?"

Neither - still available to someone on a permanent deal.

No, I meant just his talents are more suited to MMA than football, the bloke is a walking card.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
Sanches also still available apparently.
Apparently he’s injured and out for at least a month. Should fit right in.

I know he’s a DM but didn’t we have him before and he was cack?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 04:04:17 PM
Sanches also still available apparently.
Apparently he’s injured and out for at least a month. Should fit right in.

I know he’s a DM but didn’t we have him before and he was cack?

Renato, not Carlos.

He was cack for Swansea mind. Probably a fair bit better now though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
Phew !
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Post by: villabear on August 31, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
Exciting this isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 05:15:46 PM
Very Depressing, after all the hype and the positive messages from Purslow and Dean Smith it feels like something has changed behind the scenes. suspicious departures from the coaching team and it seems we have pulled back from signing any players that would genuinely get us a European spot.

What should have been a vibrant start against winnable opposition feels very,very dull
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2021, 05:16:41 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 31, 2021, 05:21:43 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible

So you think the money is there, and this is Deans decision?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 05:23:14 PM
Burnley in for McKennie and Newcastle for Kamara?? Wtf are we doing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
Make a change, after Smith has gone mid-table Championship, to promotion, to survival, to mid table Premier League in consecutive seasons?  Sweet baby Jesus.

I blame the world we live in now. People want everything right now, in the way they want it and if can't be exactly right the world's gone to shit.

It's the football club owners who make the changes though, not fans. The average tenure for a Premier League manager is less than two years. Don't forget that if it wasn't for the first lockdown and the Chelsea match being called off, that the very strong rumours were that lose that game, and Smith was gone.

Absolutely. The owners, the TV companies, the fans, the players, everyone wants immediate success.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
That McKennie has been offered to Burnley.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2021, 05:29:40 PM
Weston McKennie offered to Burnley on loan. FFS.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
Burnley in for McKennie and Newcastle for Kamara?? Wtf are we doing.
we may be doing nothing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 05:35:05 PM
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?
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Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 05:36:12 PM
Know nothing about Kamara. McKennie would almost certainly improve is though, in my view.
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2021, 05:47:58 PM
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?




We could loan one for the sake of it. No commitment
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?
Depends on how highly you rate Nakamba?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: The_ads on August 31, 2021, 05:54:35 PM
Why are some of you begging for mediocre players to come in? Choudhury ffs ? There is no need to stockpile players. If DS is happy with his squad he’ll live by the sword or die by the sword. Simple as that
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
McKennie started and by all accounts played well for Juventus. I think he would improve us for sure.

Kamara, no idea. But his stats and write ups suggest he's a pretty talented holding mid that can play a bit too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2021, 05:56:31 PM
Very Depressing, after all the hype and the positive messages from Purslow and Dean Smith it feels like something has changed behind the scenes. suspicious departures from the coaching team and it seems we have pulled back from signing any players that would genuinely get us a European spot.

What should have been a vibrant start against winnable opposition feels very,very dull

As long as you're happy, that's the main thing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 31, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
Very Depressing, after all the hype and the positive messages from Purslow and Dean Smith it feels like something has changed behind the scenes. suspicious departures from the coaching team and it seems we have pulled back from signing any players that would genuinely get us a European spot.

What should have been a vibrant start against winnable opposition feels very,very dull

As long as you're happy, that's the main thing.

Getting Troy Deeney is a very good signing tbf.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
McKennie going to Burnley. WTF. Fred on loan again with no option to buy? Why not just keep him here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2021, 06:03:23 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible

So you think the money is there, and this is Deans decision?

Money 1 million per cent available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2021, 06:18:29 PM
Weston McKennie offered to Burnley on loan. FFS.

Trying to stay calm but she should be all over that
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2021, 06:20:09 PM
madness we loan a twat like Drinkwater off chelski and not interested in McKennie
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 06:26:33 PM
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?

I’m in agreement with you here (I know)
Too often in the past we bring in players to do a job but dont improved the team that much
We don’t need a load of squad players Because you can’t get rid of them if they turn out to be Average
Then their wages take up someone else’s spot

I’d rather wait until we can bring in the right top quality players like the ones we were linked with but never got ESR & JWP
Not actually those players in particular but that type of quality
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2021, 06:28:43 PM
McKennie going to Burnley. WTF.

Maybe he’ll do an Ashley Young and realise he’s turned up to the wrong Claret and Blue team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Alex77 on August 31, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
 :'(
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?

I’m in agreement with you here (I know)
Too often in the past we bring in players to do a job but dont improved the team that much
We don’t need a load of squad players Because you can’t get rid of them if they turn out to be Average
Then their wages take up someone else’s spot

I’d rather wait until we can bring in the right top quality players like the ones we were linked with but never got ESR & JWP
Not actually those players in particular but that type of quality


I seem to recall Liverpool being short in the central defensive department for a long time and they refused to compromise and waited until the right one came along. They then signed Virgil and it was the missing piece for them.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
Burnley tick along and do what they have to do to get by, but there not exactly known for picking up top draw players, that we would normally be looking at with envy. I don’t really watch Italian football these days, so I’m sure there are people on here who know a lot more than me, but I have no idea if this McKennie is the type of player we need.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2021, 06:36:34 PM
wait until he realizes they hate black players up there having thought playing in Italy was bad for racism
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mike on August 31, 2021, 06:40:26 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible

So you think the money is there, and this is Deans decision?

Money 1 million per cent available.

I take it the two midfielders you predicted have fallen through? I’m not taking the piss, I know things change. It’s more if you say that’s that then I’ll stop hoping.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
:'(
Would those two actually prove to be any better than what we have? Or is it just that they may be DCMs and therefore we should just buy one for the sake of it?

I’m in agreement with you here (I know)
Too often in the past we bring in players to do a job but dont improved the team that much
We don’t need a load of squad players Because you can’t get rid of them if they turn out to be Average
Then their wages take up someone else’s spot

I’d rather wait until we can bring in the right top quality players like the ones we were linked with but never got ESR & JWP
Not actually those players in particular but that type of quality


I seem to recall Liverpool being short in the central defensive department for a long time and they refused to compromise and waited until the right one came along. They then signed Virgil and it was the missing piece for them.

So all we need to do is sign one of the best players in the world for £75m. Easy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 31, 2021, 06:52:52 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible

So you think the money is there, and this is Deans decision?

Money 1 million per cent available.

Well, he is presumably going to be judged on getting a tune out of the players we already have.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mike on August 31, 2021, 06:59:08 PM
The lack of midfield recruitment could easily cost dean his job in the coming weeks. Bizarre decision making and leaves us well short of the needed quality in CM.
Guess his tactics are going to be 442 shortly and basically try and bypass the midfield as much as possible

So you think the money is there, and this is Deans decision?

Money 1 million per cent available.

Well, he is presumably going to be judged on getting a tune out of the players we already have.


I suspect you’re right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 06:59:26 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 07:00:28 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Martin O'Neil had never heard of Falcao and we signed Heskey instead.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
Sanson playig tonight for U23 , we might see him one day
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Martin O'Neil had never heard of Falcao and we signed Heskey instead.

If that doesn't sum up the MON era, I'm not sure what does.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Martin O'Neil had never heard of Falcao and we signed Heskey instead.

If that doesn't sum up the MON era, I'm not sure what does.

Mark Falco was long past his best by then. Spurs saw the best of him IMHO. Surprised he was even still playing at that stage TBH.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mike on August 31, 2021, 07:08:29 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Martin O'Neil had never heard of Falcao and we signed Heskey instead.

If that doesn't sum up the MON era, I'm not sure what does.

MFH.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 07:09:11 PM
I'm 40 next year and couldn't pull Mark Falco from the memory banks
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 07:11:35 PM
In the spirit of retro-ness, I've just checked Teletext and apparently we're close to signing Amdy Faye for our holding midfield problem.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 31, 2021, 07:12:50 PM
Apart from Rock Me Amadeus he did naff all
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 07:13:39 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Probably based on him having the attributes and profile that we are apparently looking for and plays in the position that most people agree we are lacking.

It would be doubly-odd - given that we bought his former central midfield partner eight months ago, when we have two similar (and arguably superior) players to do that role already. Yet aren't interested in the obvious Nakamba upgrade when it seems to be even more available.

(Edit - I've gone off the deep end and am assuming it's the Marseille Kamara being discussed.  And they're not bringing the former Fulham striker back or anything)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2021, 07:14:59 PM
Apart from Rock Me Amadeus he did naff all
until he crashed his car


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 31, 2021, 07:15:00 PM
I'm 40 next year and couldn't pull Mark Falco from the memory banks

He peaked at Rock Me Amadeus, well past it by the time we were in for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2021, 07:15:29 PM
Gilbert signs for Morecambe, on loan.
Sorry Strasbourg. Bloody autocorrect.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
Were all gagging for midfielders but Dean Smith doesn’t exact have the best record when signing centre midfielders. Luiz is decent, but Barkley, Drinkwater, Nakamba….. Sanson has played about 4 minutes.

Maybe we’re better off not signing someone. 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2021, 07:16:45 PM
I'm 40 next year and couldn't pull Mark Falco from the memory banks
I am also in my very, very late 30s, and it left me cold too
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
Were all gagging for midfielders but Dean Smith doesn’t exact have the best record when signing centre midfielders. Luiz is decent, but Barkley, Drinkwater, Nakamba….. Sanson has played about 4 minutes.

Maybe we’re better off not signing someone. 😂

Ha, perhaps you are right!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 07:18:26 PM
Apparently Burnley want Barkley on loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 07:18:44 PM
Were all gagging for midfielders but Dean Smith doesn’t exact have the best record when signing centre midfielders. Luiz is decent, but Barkley, Drinkwater, Nakamba….. Sanson has played about 4 minutes.

Maybe we’re better off not signing someone. 😂

That post cheered me up lol. He's got a shit record hasn't he!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2021, 07:19:21 PM
Boubacar Kamara in Ligue 1 last season [club rank]:

332 ball recoveries [1st]
163 passes into the final third [1st]
145 progressive passes [1st]
132 tackles + interceptions [3rd]
55 fouls won [1st]
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
Were all gagging for midfielders but Dean Smith doesn’t exact have the best record when signing centre midfielders. Luiz is decent, but Barkley, Drinkwater, Nakamba….. Sanson has played about 4 minutes.

Maybe we’re better off not signing someone. 😂

That post cheered me up lol. He's got a shit record hasn't he!

*glances at the exasperated Sexual Ealing, weeping in the corner*
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 07:20:46 PM
Boubacar Kamara in Ligue 1 last season [club rank]:

332 ball recoveries [1st]
163 passes into the final third [1st]
145 progressive passes [1st]
132 tackles + interceptions [3rd]
55 fouls won [1st]

So pretty decent then
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 07:21:25 PM
Oh well..... i'm going down the pub.

When I get back i'm expecting a shiny new fecking midfielder. Or else.  And he better not be called Harry either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2021, 07:25:13 PM
I'm 40 next year and couldn't pull Mark Falco from the memory banks

I remember him flicking the V's at travelling Villa fans after scoring in a final game of a season, he'd been getting a lot of stick but I cant remember what for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 07:27:15 PM
Barkley to Burnley
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 07:29:02 PM
Barkley to Burnley

At the start of the summer, I thought he'd end up at Crystal Palace or Newcastle. What a nose dive his career has taken. You could see the problems he has when we had him on loan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2021, 07:29:41 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Probably based on him having the attributes and profile that we are apparently looking for and plays in the position that most people agree we are lacking.

It would be doubly-odd - given that we bought his former central midfield partner eight months ago, when we have two similar (and arguably superior) players to do that role already. Yet aren't interested in the obvious Nakamba upgrade when it seems to be even more available.

(Edit - I've gone off the deep end and am assuming it's the Marseille Kamara being discussed.  And they're not bringing the former Fulham striker back or anything)

Quite, it makes no sense. There appear to be midfielders available who would improve us and it’s an area of the team we’ve shown we want to upgrade, but we don’t appear to be competing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Probably based on him having the attributes and profile that we are apparently looking for and plays in the position that most people agree we are lacking.

It would be doubly-odd - given that we bought his former central midfield partner eight months ago, when we have two similar (and arguably superior) players to do that role already. Yet aren't interested in the obvious Nakamba upgrade when it seems to be even more available.

(Edit - I've gone off the deep end and am assuming it's the Marseille Kamara being discussed.  And they're not bringing the former Fulham striker back or anything)

Quite, it makes no sense. There appear to be midfielders available who would improve us and it’s an area of the team we’ve shown we want to upgrade, but we don’t appear to be competing.

To confirm, the Marseille fella. Who can also play right back apparently.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 07:36:19 PM
Athletic reporting Wolves are close to Kamara not Newcastle. Looks idea for us.

Based on what? I've never heard of him.

Probably based on him having the attributes and profile that we are apparently looking for and plays in the position that most people agree we are lacking.

It would be doubly-odd - given that we bought his former central midfield partner eight months ago, when we have two similar (and arguably superior) players to do that role already. Yet aren't interested in the obvious Nakamba upgrade when it seems to be even more available.

(Edit - I've gone off the deep end and am assuming it's the Marseille Kamara being discussed.  And they're not bringing the former Fulham striker back or anything)

Quite, it makes no sense. There appear to be midfielders available who would improve us and it’s an area of the team we’ve shown we want to upgrade, but we don’t appear to be competing.


Yeah but me and Drummond have never heard of him and on that basis he's fucking rubbish
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Big Ming on August 31, 2021, 07:48:56 PM
Anyone know if the lights are on at BH?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2021, 07:52:23 PM
Anyone know if the lights are on at BH?

Brian's house?

Brian Green uses candles. He'll still be up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2021, 07:54:04 PM
Anyone know if the lights are on at BH?

Nope, a few of the bulbs have gone and we've sold the spares to Man City as we'd previously agreed they can have our excess and we'll just use tea light candles.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Small Rodent on August 31, 2021, 08:08:36 PM
Anyone know if the lights are on at BH?

Brian's house?

Brian Green uses candles. He'll still be up.

Sometimes he gets so cold he even lights them!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2021, 08:10:06 PM
The two main CM never materialised. One was JWP and we wouldn’t pay what they were asking. No idea on other. It’s beyond odd how we’re gone for an all or nothing type approach. Isn’t this what scouting is for so you have options 1/2/3/4 all better than what you have already and you execute one of them?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 31, 2021, 08:11:57 PM
Have to say with not bringing a CM in and all the injuries, it all feels a little flat at the moment.

Feels like we will half our team out against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2021, 08:14:51 PM
Makes it all the more bizarre that we've released players to play for Argentina when we didn't have to.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 31, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
The trialist looks decent
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 08:17:21 PM
The two main CM never materialised. One was JWP and we wouldn’t pay what they were asking. No idea on other. It’s beyond odd how we’re gone for an all or nothing type approach. Isn’t this what scouting is for so you have options 1/2/3/4 all better than what you have already and you execute one of them?

I thought that was the point in having such a big investment in a scouting network.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2021, 08:19:55 PM
The two main CM never materialised. One was JWP and we wouldn’t pay what they were asking. No idea on other. It’s beyond odd how we’re gone for an all or nothing type approach. Isn’t this what scouting is for so you have options 1/2/3/4 all better than what you have already and you execute one of them?

I thought that was the point in having such a big investment in a scouting network.
maybe the people we have hired are not very good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
But what if option 3 who is actually available isn’t as good or not significantly better than what we have?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 31, 2021, 08:22:50 PM
The two main CM never materialised. One was JWP and we wouldn’t pay what they were asking. No idea on other. It’s beyond odd how we’re gone for an all or nothing type approach. Isn’t this what scouting is for so you have options 1/2/3/4 all better than what you have already and you execute one of them?

I thought that was the point in having such a big investment in a scouting network.

Very odd. And the players we have signed didn’t really smack as left field / unheard of signings.

The reckoning will be (I guess) at the end of the season, but teams like Brighton and Brentford do seem to have pulled a few rabbits out of the hat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2021, 08:27:10 PM
Kamara - never seen or heard of him.
McKennie - never seen or heard of him. Was apparently too good for us but now being offered to Burnley.
Choudhury - seen him & he's shit.

Some people writing the season off already.

How I long for the days where DrX was giving us cryptic clues & we were buying up the championship.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 08:27:53 PM
But what if option 3 who is actually available isn’t as good or not significantly better than what we have?

Then six months ago option three should have been booted off the options list and another dozen options looked at instead?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2021, 08:31:19 PM
Kamara - never seen or heard of him.
McKennie - never seen or heard of him. Was apparently too good for us but now being offered to Burnley.
Choudhury - seen him & he's shit.

Some people writing the season off already.

How I long for the days where DrX was giving us cryptic clues & we were buying up the championship.


shit shoes
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: aev on August 31, 2021, 08:31:28 PM
But what if option 3 who is actually available isn’t as good or not significantly better than what we have?

Then six months ago option three should have been booted off the options list and another dozen options looked at instead?

The idea that there aren’t loads of players out there that would improve us isn’t one that I would agree with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 08:31:51 PM
Talking about players that some were keen to sign in the past
Does that Maupay still get in the team at Brighton



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 08:35:01 PM
Yeah scored a couple this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Scovilla on August 31, 2021, 08:36:42 PM
Kamara is an excellent midfielder and for 15 mil euros a real bargain.  Gutted we did not go for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Kamara is an excellent midfielder and for 15 mil euros a real bargain.  Gutted we did not go for him.

It's a strange one for sure. Especially when Sanson cost less from there
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2021, 08:42:18 PM
Were all gagging for midfielders but Dean Smith doesn’t exact have the best record when signing centre midfielders. Luiz is decent, but Barkley, Drinkwater, Nakamba….. Sanson has played about 4 minutes.

Maybe we’re better off not signing someone. 😂

That post cheered me up lol. He's got a shit record hasn't he!

*glances at the exasperated Sexual Ealing, weeping in the corner*

I've given up banging that drum. I have accepted that DS scouts and signs the players, negotiates their wages and fees, clips the kids around the ear, meets agents in motorway service stations and has spies in every boozer to let him know how many pints of Watneys the players are sinking on Tuesday afternoons. He's omnipotent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2021, 08:42:59 PM
Talking about players that some were keen to sign in the past
Does that Maupay still get in the team at Brighton

Given it was the summer we spent north of £20m on Wesley, suggesting that spending that same money on Maupay instead would have been a massive error is somewhat wide of the mark in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2021, 08:45:01 PM
Talking about players that some were keen to sign in the past
Does that Maupay still get in the team at Brighton

Given it was the summer we spent north of £20m on Wesley, suggesting that spending that same money on Maupay instead would have been a massive error is somewhat wide of the mark in my opinion.

Disagree. We'd have a striker on the books on 50k a week, nowhere near the side as Ings and Watkins are both miles and miles better options.

He'd have been a lot harder to move on this window than Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 08:45:27 PM
Talking about players that some were keen to sign in the past
Does that Maupay still get in the team at Brighton

Given it was the summer we spent north of £20m on Wesley, suggesting that spending that same money on Maupay instead would have been a massive error is somewhat wide of the mark in my opinion.

Quite
We would have probably been better off with him as it all turned out
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2021, 08:57:23 PM
Kamara - never seen or heard of him.
McKennie - never seen or heard of him. Was apparently too good for us but now being offered to Burnley.
Choudhury - seen him & he's shit.

Some people writing the season off already.

How I long for the days where DrX was giving us cryptic clues & we were buying up the championship.

Yeah, I mean, holy shit do I not miss that
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2021, 08:59:15 PM
Interesting seeing how mixed the reaction is to our transfer business.  Some people thinking we have "Won" the window, others thinking Randy is back in charge. 

Other clubs supportors / media def in the first camp.

So this I think is the crux of the issue:  the players we have signed are undoubtably very good players, and are good signings.

But - we were lost the best player in a generation, and none of our competiors did, and he was worth more than 100m to us.
We have chosen not to address midfield, which many people think is our weakness

Both sides could well be proven to be right, but our past makes the "glass half empty" people worry. I am worried

I spoke to my brother yesterday, who is very much "glass half full" kind of person and he is not worried.

Time will tell - maybe just wish I was more a "glass half full" kind of a guy
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2021, 09:04:44 PM
Well if it’s all about transfer fees and not the football, you have to hand it to Rafa, I’ve just read he’s spent a massive 1.7 million in this window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 31, 2021, 09:17:58 PM
I think we'll finish a bit below last season. So the window has been a bit meh. Losing whatshisface was a massive kick up the bollocks.

I worry Smith will try and shoehorn Ings and Watkins into the same team, leaving a gaping hole in central midfield, which we haven't addressed. Insanity.

*Wrong thread, don't know how to delete this
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 09:30:27 PM
I don't know how anyone could have watched the last three league games and not be extremely worried. We got very lucky against a terrible Newcastle side ,got ripped apart by Watford and drew at Home to Brentford and Smith still seems lacking in ideas and failing to make any changes sooner in the 90 minutes
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 31, 2021, 09:32:38 PM
Interesting seeing how mixed the reaction is to our transfer business.  Some people thinking we have "Won" the window, others thinking Randy is back in charge. 

Other clubs supportors / media def in the first camp.

So this I think is the crux of the issue:  the players we have signed are undoubtably very good players, and are good signings.

But - we were lost the best player in a generation, and none of our competiors did, and he was worth more than 100m to us.
We have chosen not to address midfield, which many people think is our weakness

Both sides could well be proven to be right, but our past makes the "glass half empty" people worry. I am worried

I spoke to my brother yesterday, who is very much "glass half full" kind of person and he is not worried.

Time will tell - maybe just wish I was more a "glass half full" kind of a guy
Bailey and Buendia are midfielders?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2021, 09:38:57 PM
I don't know how anyone could have watched the last three league games and not be extremely worried. We got very lucky against a terrible Newcastle side ,got ripped apart by Watford and drew at Home to Brentford and Smith still seems lacking in ideas and failing to make any changes sooner in the 90 minutes

Me too. I’m fecking terrified we’re going to end up back in the championship playing that shower of shite from Small Heath or worse still they take our place. It’s keeping me awake at night.🙄
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2021, 09:40:37 PM
Interesting seeing how mixed the reaction is to our transfer business.  Some people thinking we have "Won" the window, others thinking Randy is back in charge. 

Other clubs supportors / media def in the first camp.

So this I think is the crux of the issue:  the players we have signed are undoubtably very good players, and are good signings.

But - we were lost the best player in a generation, and none of our competiors did, and he was worth more than 100m to us.
We have chosen not to address midfield, which many people think is our weakness

Both sides could well be proven to be right, but our past makes the "glass half empty" people worry. I am worried

I spoke to my brother yesterday, who is very much "glass half full" kind of person and he is not worried.

Time will tell - maybe just wish I was more a "glass half full" kind of a guy
Bailey and Buendia are midfielders?
Ok I meant the 6 / 8 positions.  Think most fans would have liked to see competition / alternative for luiz and mcginn
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 31, 2021, 09:41:39 PM
I'm actually more worried about lack of experienced goalkeeper cover. Dont really rate Steer and after him we are looking at kids.
We could of taken someone on loan for rest of season so seems a gamble
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2021, 09:48:01 PM
I don't know how anyone could have watched the last three league games and not be extremely worried. We got very lucky against a terrible Newcastle side ,got ripped apart by Watford and drew at Home to Brentford and Smith still seems lacking in ideas and failing to make any changes sooner in the 90 minutes

Me too. I’m fecking terrified we’re going to end up back in the championship playing that shower of shite from Small Heath or worse still they take our place. It’s keeping me awake at night.🙄

Please don't feed them.
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Post by: Bad English on August 31, 2021, 09:57:34 PM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
I nearly spat my mouthful of red wine on the living room mat.
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Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2021, 10:03:38 PM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
I nearly spat my mouthful of red wine on the living room mat.

Mat?
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Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 10:06:22 PM
Don’t despair I honestly don’t think we’re done yet

There’s still enough time to get another 30 odd players out on loan yet
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 31, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Don’t despair I honestly don’t think we’re done yet

There’s still enough time to get another 30 odd players out on loan yet
50 minutes left. Tick! Tock! 🤣🤣
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Post by: rob_bridge on August 31, 2021, 10:10:55 PM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
I nearly spat my mouthful of red wine on the living room mat.

Indeed outrageous that he overlooked Joleon Lescott 2 years later
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2021, 10:11:35 PM
Boubacar Kamara in Ligue 1 last season [club rank]:

332 ball recoveries [1st]
163 passes into the final third [1st]
145 progressive passes [1st]
132 tackles + interceptions [3rd]
55 fouls won [1st]

So pretty decent then

Not if Dean plans to play him on the right wing.

On a more positive note, I thought Marvelous played the ball a lot more quicker and to feet at the weekend. Coaching?
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Post by: King Cropley on August 31, 2021, 10:15:10 PM
Has largely been a positive window, with good early business done. However, have to agree with many posters on here, our midfield looks lightweight and if Steer got injured whilst Martinez was away we'd be truly bolloxed.

Think we've took our eye off the ball a bit here......
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2021, 10:16:05 PM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
I nearly spat my mouthful of red wine on the living room mat.

Indeed outrageous that he overlooked Joleon Lescott 2 years later

Djemba Djemba was a deadline day signing wasn’t he? Jermaine Jenas as well….
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Post by: rob_bridge on August 31, 2021, 10:17:18 PM
I think squad is improved by comings and goings overall but first team does have big hole to fill.

As others pointed out lack of GK cover and the central midfield means we are a bit short there. See if Sansom turns out to be goof enough.

I like we have options of Bailey, Buendia, Traore, Ollie, Ings and El Ghazi and who knows with Archer which gives us enough fire power to score a fair few.
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Post by: john e on August 31, 2021, 10:19:09 PM
Has largely been a positive window, with good early business done. However, have to agree with many posters on here, our midfield looks lightweight and if Steer got injured whilst Martinez was away we'd be truly bolloxed.

Think we've took our eye off the ball a bit here......

How many games does Martinez miss exactly
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 10:20:39 PM
According to us 1. According to Argentina maybe more. Each international break.
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Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
How many teams have a 3rd choice keeper that they'd trust to start a run of games? Sinisalo had a very good loan out to Ayr and deserves a chance to be involved with the seniors in my opinion.
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Post by: Skerra on August 31, 2021, 10:38:44 PM
Maybe I’m wrong but, talk at the start of the transfer window, was about moving up a notch in the table with new signings being made. Not sure we have really achieved that and, realistically, looking at half way up the table being a positive. So, I’m a little underwhelmed and don’t think we’ve taken that next step.
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Post by: Risso on August 31, 2021, 10:42:49 PM
How many teams have a 3rd choice keeper that they'd trust to start a run of games? Sinisalo had a very good loan out to Ayr and deserves a chance to be involved with the seniors in my opinion.

What level is the Scottish Championship though? Surely League 1 at best. Not saying he’s not a good player (never seen him play) but not sure I’d trust him to be our number one yet, having only played against the likes of Alloa and Queen of the South.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 10:45:19 PM
That Romero is available on a free. Prob a few keepers about on a free after the window shuts.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 31, 2021, 10:49:49 PM
Not that worried about our GK options. All the ones we were linked with were crap and far worse than Steer imo, so Mark Bunn type players and not expected to play.

I am worried that our Central Midfield will continue to be overrun in games and I think we will struggle to finish as high as last season.

Injuries and players missing through internationals seems unbelievable too, particularly as the season has only just started.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2021, 10:51:14 PM
I am starting to think we're not signing anyone else.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 31, 2021, 10:53:11 PM
When was the last time we had an exciting deadline day signing?

Jordan Bowery!
I nearly spat my mouthful of red wine on the living room mat.

Mat?

Just like that dining club where all waiters are referred to as ‘Charles’, BE calls all his staff ‘Mat’.

He spat the wine over living room Mat, rather than kitchen Mat or dining room Mat ;) :)
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2021, 10:54:15 PM
I am starting to think we're not signing anyone else.

7 minutes !!
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 11:04:19 PM
Slammed shut.
What a bloody let down
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2021, 11:07:22 PM
That's what happens when you say no to Monster, monster.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2021, 11:08:33 PM
lets back those kids coming through !!
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Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2021, 11:10:52 PM
Slammed shut.
What a bloody let down
Yes I can't believe we have let Everton snatch Salomon Rondon from right under our nose.
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Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
I think Dean and Purslow will regret the 18 months off Champions League Football comments.  Always the same with us all talk of where we 'deserve' to be but dont back it up with European position quality signings
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2021, 11:16:42 PM
I think Dean and Purslow will regret the 18 months off Champions League Football comments.  Always the same with us all talk of where we 'deserve' to be but dont back it up with European position quality signings



subtle , ha ha oh mate
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Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2021, 11:22:14 PM
How many teams have a 3rd choice keeper that they'd trust to start a run of games? Sinisalo had a very good loan out to Ayr and deserves a chance to be involved with the seniors in my opinion.

What level is the Scottish Championship though? Surely League 1 at best. Not saying he’s not a good player (never seen him play) but not sure I’d trust him to be our number one yet, having only played against the likes of Alloa and Queen of the South.

well no but he's a solid shout for 3rd choice, there really aren't many 3rd choice keepers in the league that are significantly better than he appears to be.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 31, 2021, 11:54:11 PM
Well that's it then. Personally I think Smith will be out of a job come October/November just because that's the period chairmen and fans get worried. And with the best will in the world, this fixture list has presented itself rather cruelly, along with the lack of luck/preparation upto now.. I doubt we'll be midtable then. And lets face it he got pelters on here last season for finishing the highest in the league for 10 years.

I've heard mention of us playing this Southampton system when everyone is fit where we ignore the centre midfield. Great, but Southampton play it because they haven't got many good players so a slightly better Southampton? Good luck with that. The other alternative is he keeps the ratboy formation. Good luck with that as well. Maybe he's got another formation up his sleeve. I hope so. I just think it's inevitable how its going to pan out now unfortunately.
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Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2021, 12:01:32 AM
The fact after 3 very unconvincing performances we still don't know our best formation or a style of play is a big concern.The fact is without Jack Grealish we were terrible and had no real game plan should set alarm bells ringing.

I'd love to know what the owners are thinking. It's been a very odd summer and we still haven't replaced JT or ROK.
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Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2021, 12:03:57 AM
This summer has been a big bump on the road. The first under these owners. I honestly think that while they knew he had a release clause they expected him to give us another season- that we would keep progressing and he would stay.

That's my gut. I think all the evidence since he left would suggest we have been scrambling around in crisis mode trying to find a way to steady the ship.
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Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2021, 12:08:13 AM
The fact after 3 very unconvincing performances we still don't know our best formation or a style of play is a big concern.The fact is without Jack Grealish we were terrible and had no real game plan should set alarm bells ringing.

I'd love to know what the owners are thinking. It's been a very odd summer and we still haven't replaced JT or ROK.

Mcphee has replaced one of them, by numerous accounts the replacement for the other one is already sorted and will join up soon.

We still don't know our best team or formation because 3 major players have barely featured due to injuries but should all be fit for Chelsea. What has happened without Grealish in the past means fuck all now, before our best player was sat in the stands watching and it had an impact on everything that's not the case any more and we need to adapt, writing the chances of that off after 3 fucking games is just weird.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2021, 06:36:39 AM
The fact after 3 very unconvincing performances we still don't know our best formation or a style of play is a big concern.The fact is without Jack Grealish we were terrible and had no real game plan should set alarm bells ringing.

I'd love to know what the owners are thinking. It's been a very odd summer and we still haven't replaced JT or ROK.

Mcphee has replaced one of them, by numerous accounts the replacement for the other one is already sorted and will join up soon.

We still don't know our best team or formation because 3 major players have barely featured due to injuries but should all be fit for Chelsea. What has happened without Grealish in the past means fuck all now, before our best player was sat in the stands watching and it had an impact on everything that's not the case any more and we need to adapt, writing the chances of that off after 3 fucking games is just weird.

What have you heard regarding an additional coach?  And do notice periods between jobs exist in for football coaches?
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Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2021, 10:01:16 AM
The fact after 3 very unconvincing performances we still don't know our best formation or a style of play is a big concern.The fact is without Jack Grealish we were terrible and had no real game plan should set alarm bells ringing.

I'd love to know what the owners are thinking. It's been a very odd summer and we still haven't replaced JT or ROK.

Mcphee has replaced one of them, by numerous accounts the replacement for the other one is already sorted and will join up soon.

We still don't know our best team or formation because 3 major players have barely featured due to injuries but should all be fit for Chelsea. What has happened without Grealish in the past means fuck all now, before our best player was sat in the stands watching and it had an impact on everything that's not the case any more and we need to adapt, writing the chances of that off after 3 fucking games is just weird.

What have you heard regarding an additional coach?  And do notice periods between jobs exist in for football coaches?

There's been comments from a few journos on twitter that we've reached an agreement with a new coach and we're waiting for him to finish up where he is before being announced. It seems like a really strange thing to make up so I assume it's true. I have no idea if notice periods exist but I do think we're run in a way where we'd be more respectful than most clubs in letting a club hold on for a few weeks to sort things themselves.
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Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
I think Dean and Purslow will regret the 18 months off Champions League Football comments.  Always the same with us all talk of where we 'deserve' to be but dont back it up with European position quality signings

We finished 11th last season and our best/most famous player forced his move away this summer. It's hardly the easiest to attract top quality players as a result no matter what money we have.

I think we have done very well to get Danny Ings in as I would have thought post Grealish leaving he would have had more attractive offers in the prem. Bailey and before then Sanson and Traore suggest we are an attractive proposition for decent players in the European leagues.
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Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
I think Dean and Purslow will regret the 18 months off Champions League Football comments.  Always the same with us all talk of where we 'deserve' to be but dont back it up with European position quality signings

We finished 11th last season and our best/most famous player forced his move away this summer. It's hardly the easiest to attract top quality players as a result no matter what money we have.

I think we have done very well to get Danny Ings in as I would have thought post Grealish leaving he would have had more attractive offers in the prem. Bailey and before then Sanson and Traore suggest we are an attractive proposition for decent players in the European leagues.

It's also a bit of misunderstanding to focus on the 18months thing. Both said we were 18 months (so 1-2 seasons) away from offering HIM champions league football, now he's left they may shift that back a little and treat this season as a 'pause' where we focus on getting the base of the club and squad more stable and less reliant on 1 player. I guess what I'm saying is that if we're not challenging for top 4 next season I hope those quotes aren't used as a stick the beat them with (which they inevitably will be by some on here).
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Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2021, 03:04:52 PM
I think Dean and Purslow will regret the 18 months off Champions League Football comments.  Always the same with us all talk of where we 'deserve' to be but dont back it up with European position quality signings

We finished 11th last season and our best/most famous player forced his move away this summer. It's hardly the easiest to attract top quality players as a result no matter what money we have.

I think we have done very well to get Danny Ings in as I would have thought post Grealish leaving he would have had more attractive offers in the prem. Bailey and before then Sanson and Traore suggest we are an attractive proposition for decent players in the European leagues.

It's also a bit of misunderstanding to focus on the 18months thing. Both said we were 18 months (so 1-2 seasons) away from offering HIM champions league football, now he's left they may shift that back a little and treat this season as a 'pause' where we focus on getting the base of the club and squad more stable and less reliant on 1 player. I guess what I'm saying is that if we're not challenging for top 4 next season I hope those quotes aren't used as a stick the beat them with (which they inevitably will be by some on here).

There won't be too many on here complaining if we aren't challenging for top 4 next season, the "Big 4" seem to be immune from economic challenges given their spend this summer. But we all want to see progression, can we compete with the other 6 clubs that finished above us and pass us out.

The stats without Grealish in the team have been terrible for years so the pessimism is understandable.
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Post by: Smithy on September 01, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
After their take-over, it took Man City three seasons to go from 9th (their last season pre oil money) to the top 4, and that's three years of spending god knows what on anyone they liked.  And it STILL took them three seasons to go up six league places.   Chelsea were already IN the top 4 when Abramovic took over.

We have to stop thinking that simply because we have rich owners, the top 4 is a foregone conclusion for us in the next couple of years.  The current mega-rich owners with Champions League clubs either inherited existing champions league positions, or took a number of seasons and from a starting point well ahead of us.  Leicester are the only team to have done what we want to do, and they haven't qualified for the champions league again since they won the league.

I love the ambition of the five-year plan to be challenging for the top 4 places, which means next season we WOULD be challenging, but I've always felt it was going to be much harder than some people seem to have assumed to get INTO the top 4.  I think we can definitely be challenging at that end by the end of next season, but 'challenging' doesn't mean being sat comfortably in the top 4.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2021, 04:18:42 PM
After their take-over, it took Man City three seasons to go from 9th (their last season pre oil money) to the top 4, and that's three years of spending god knows what on anyone they liked.  And it STILL took them three seasons to go up six league places.   Chelsea were already IN the top 4 when Abramovic took over.

We have to stop thinking that simply because we have rich owners, the top 4 is a foregone conclusion for us in the next couple of years.  The current mega-rich owners with Champions League clubs either inherited existing champions league positions, or took a number of seasons and from a starting point well ahead of us.  Leicester are the only team to have done what we want to do, and they haven't qualified for the champions league again since they won the league.

I love the ambition of the five-year plan to be challenging for the top 4 places, which means next season we WOULD be challenging, but I've always felt it was going to be much harder than some people seem to have assumed to get INTO the top 4.  I think we can definitely be challenging at that end by the end of next season, but 'challenging' doesn't mean being sat comfortably in the top 4.

Absolutely spot on - in fact i would hate us to do the Oil city method and i am hopeful that (and i have a little bit of sick in my mouth even thinking this) that any success we have over the coming seasons will have at its heart the nucleus of a team that is home grown (shit here it comes) just like Red filth did in 92.
Surely that must of been the most satisfying thing as a fan to have the core of your team come through your own academy.

The issue is that we need to have a team of them as if a single one makes it (Think Greedlish) then the predators can pick them off
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
After their take-over, it took Man City three seasons to go from 9th (their last season pre oil money) to the top 4, and that's three years of spending god knows what on anyone they liked.  And it STILL took them three seasons to go up six league places.   Chelsea were already IN the top 4 when Abramovic took over.

We have to stop thinking that simply because we have rich owners, the top 4 is a foregone conclusion for us in the next couple of years.  The current mega-rich owners with Champions League clubs either inherited existing champions league positions, or took a number of seasons and from a starting point well ahead of us.  Leicester are the only team to have done what we want to do, and they haven't qualified for the champions league again since they won the league.

I love the ambition of the five-year plan to be challenging for the top 4 places, which means next season we WOULD be challenging, but I've always felt it was going to be much harder than some people seem to have assumed to get INTO the top 4.  I think we can definitely be challenging at that end by the end of next season, but 'challenging' doesn't mean being sat comfortably in the top 4.

I combine thinking we've missed an opportunity AND agreeing with the above.

I think we've got to be a bit more realistic - all the talk about breaking top four this season is way, way over the top in terms of what is realistic and what is not. It's going to take much longer than that.
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Post by: Vegas on September 01, 2021, 04:50:04 PM
Agree Paulie. It’s maybe not quite what we all dreamed of in June, but finishing 10th this year following the loss of a world class player would be progress I think, and we’d be on a better FFP footing to spend big too.

The only challenge is whether that’s enough to keep Emi 1 (and maybe a couple of others) happy.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
After their take-over, it took Man City three seasons to go from 9th (their last season pre oil money) to the top 4, and that's three years of spending god knows what on anyone they liked.  And it STILL took them three seasons to go up six league places.   Chelsea were already IN the top 4 when Abramovic took over.

We have to stop thinking that simply because we have rich owners, the top 4 is a foregone conclusion for us in the next couple of years.  The current mega-rich owners with Champions League clubs either inherited existing champions league positions, or took a number of seasons and from a starting point well ahead of us.  Leicester are the only team to have done what we want to do, and they haven't qualified for the champions league again since they won the league.

I love the ambition of the five-year plan to be challenging for the top 4 places, which means next season we WOULD be challenging, but I've always felt it was going to be much harder than some people seem to have assumed to get INTO the top 4.  I think we can definitely be challenging at that end by the end of next season, but 'challenging' doesn't mean being sat comfortably in the top 4.

I combine thinking we've missed an opportunity AND agreeing with the above.

I think we've got to be a bit more realistic - all the talk about breaking top four this season is way, way over the top in terms of what is realistic and what is not. It's going to take much longer than that.
The idiot leaving has put paid to any chance that we had of breaking into Top 4. With him and the players we signed we could have been up there or getting close enough to make the next step. Now we look like a club that are at the mercy of the "Big Clubs" I was hoping it was going to be different this time but the reality is we are with the pack.
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Post by: Risso on September 01, 2021, 05:53:45 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..
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Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
When an opportunity presents itself you have to grasp it. The FFP rules, turmoil at other clubs and a bucketload of cash in the bank gave us the opportunity to do that this summer, but we havent been brave.

12 months time and a mid-table finish will see ambitious players look elsewhere and so the cycle continues.
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Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2021, 06:52:50 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Say what you really think Risso.  Joking aside, I have always wondered where Dean's ceiling will be.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2021, 06:56:40 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

You keep on about Smith yet this lower league manager has improved us year on year for three seasons and every time he's supposedly incapable of something he's managed to do it.
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Post by: Monty on September 01, 2021, 06:59:24 PM
Smith might have a ceiling, we'll see. I worry about it too. But I think the signings and the new coach point to a specific direction this season and we should see if it works. After all, who'd have predicted what David Moyes has managed to do with West Ham?
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..
That's brutal.  I agree with quite a lot of what you say, but I think that's too far.  We don't know where Smith can get to, all managers have to start somewhere altgough admittedly some do get a big leg up.  I do think the point regarding attracting players could be an issue and losing Terry and Jack probably didn't help in that respect.

But we'll see.  Smith has still got credit in the bank for me.  As for the money spent, the players aren't solely his choice and other than Wes I don't think we've chucked too much money down the drain.
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Post by: john e on September 01, 2021, 07:04:58 PM
Good example when you talk about managers ceilings Is Man United and Chelsea
Both got great squads brimming with talent

Who’s got the best chance of winning the league this season - Chelsea
Swap managers, Tuchel in at Man United and Ole in at Chelsea

Who’s got the best chance now

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Post by: Ketzster on September 01, 2021, 07:19:02 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

I agree. We are wasting the opportunity we have at the moment
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 01, 2021, 07:20:45 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..
That's brutal.  I agree with quite a lot of what you say, but I think that's too far.  We don't know where Smith can get to, all managers have to start somewhere altgough admittedly some do get a big leg up.  I do think the point regarding attracting players could be an issue and losing Terry and Jack probably didn't help in that respect.

But we'll see.  Smith has still got credit in the bank for me.  As for the money spent, the players aren't solely his choice and other than Wes I don't think we've chucked too much money down the drain.

It’s brutal and also in some parts just not right IMO. Whether Smith can get villa to where they want to be near the top of tree is open to debate and time will tell either way, but he’s already proved he’s not a lower league manager. And in what way doesn’t he warrant the faith, getting up, staying up, 11th, progress every step of the way. The next parts harder and will test him and he’ll either succeed or he won’t, but lower league manager is too harsh on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2021, 07:21:40 PM
Good example when you talk about managers ceilings Is Man United and Chelsea
Both got great squads brimming with talent

Who’s got the best chance of winning the league this season - Chelsea
Swap managers, Tuchel in at Man United and Ole in at Chelsea

Who’s got the best chance now



But how about swapping Dean with Arteta, Nuno, Rodgers or Moyes? You could make an argument for a couple of them, but it's at best arguable. This is hardly as clear-cut as the Solskjaer business, IMO.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 01, 2021, 07:32:46 PM
Good example when you talk about managers ceilings Is Man United and Chelsea
Both got great squads brimming with talent

Who’s got the best chance of winning the league this season - Chelsea
Swap managers, Tuchel in at Man United and Ole in at Chelsea

Who’s got the best chance now



But how about swapping Dean with Arteta, Nuno, Rodgers or Moyes? You could make an argument for a couple of them, but it's at best arguable. This is hardly as clear-cut as the Solskjaer business, IMO.

Good example when you talk about managers ceilings Is Man United and Chelsea
Both got great squads brimming with talent

Who’s got the best chance of winning the league this season - Chelsea
Swap managers, Tuchel in at Man United and Ole in at Chelsea

Who’s got the best chance now



But how about swapping Dean with Arteta, Nuno, Rodgers or Moyes? You could make an argument for a couple of them, but it's at best arguable. This is hardly as clear-cut as the Solskjaer business, IMO.

It’s also only a perception as Solksjaer might go on to win the league as Smith might take us into Europe
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2021, 07:40:16 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Well this seasons a huge one for Smith and if he improves us yet again from the last, your view is flawed. If we manage to finish in the top half he’s done another remarkable job.

It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2021, 07:51:35 PM
Lets see how he does with his team without the idiot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2021, 07:56:58 PM
I think three other clubs would have to have massively disappointing seasons for Solskjaer to win the league; for us to finish top 6, a few would have to have mildly/fairly underwhelming seasons.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2021, 08:13:23 PM
It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

I could take a mixed bag if it wasn't so divided between 2020 and 2021. My fear and expectation is we'll have the same this season but this time we'll kick on after Xmas. That would leave Dean in a very vulnerable position come November December. That said, I never expected us to come out flying last season, so what do I know. He needs to lose the feast or famine reputation he's had since his days at Walsall.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2021, 08:19:58 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 01, 2021, 08:33:36 PM


Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Of course it does, but this is a crucial year for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2021, 08:51:07 PM
Excellent summary Leon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ez on September 01, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
I don't think he has done himself any favours with comments like, we're 18 months away,  and, we're now stronger than last season. Those words may well come back to haunt him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2021, 08:54:13 PM
It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

I could take a mixed bag if it wasn't so divided between 2020 and 2021. My fear and expectation is we'll have the same this season but this time we'll kick on after Xmas. That would leave Dean in a very vulnerable position come November December. That said, I never expected us to come out flying last season, so what do I know. He needs to lose the feast or famine reputation he's had since his days at Walsall.


I know what you mean, that glorious start then a few ups and downs before that huge slump. It’s that mindset we need to lose after a couple defeats.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Taylor on September 01, 2021, 08:59:01 PM


Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Of course it does, but this is a crucial year for him.
Not disputed, but I think the first post was a reaction to Risso’s frankly ridiculous comment that we are “saddled with a lower league manager”.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2021, 09:06:29 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Excellent post and good to be reminded how far we have progressed.  The critical bit for me is that most players have improved under his coaching;  that alone means he has credit in the bank for another 12 months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2021, 09:13:19 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Well this seasons a huge one for Smith and if he improves us yet again from the last, your view is flawed. If we manage to finish in the top half he’s done another remarkable job.

It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

Top half would be remarkable? After spending the thick end of half a billion quid? Bielsa managed it first go last season, and Leeds haven't spent anything like the amounts we have.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2021, 09:13:40 PM
It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

I could take a mixed bag if it wasn't so divided between 2020 and 2021. My fear and expectation is we'll have the same this season but this time we'll kick on after Xmas. That would leave Dean in a very vulnerable position come November December. That said, I never expected us to come out flying last season, so what do I know. He needs to lose the feast or famine reputation he's had since his days at Walsall.


I know what you mean, that glorious start then a few ups and downs before that huge slump. It’s that mindset we need to lose after a couple defeats.

Maybe Ratboy's departure means that the players no longer have a ready-made excuse for losing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 01, 2021, 09:15:08 PM
I don't think he has done himself any favours with comments like, we're 18 months away,  and, we're now stronger than last season. Those words may well come back to haunt him.

Disagree
I hate it when managers are at big clubs and are fully backed yet still dumb down
I’d much rather have a positive manager who’s secure in his ability saying where he thinks we can go
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2021, 10:23:26 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Well this seasons a huge one for Smith and if he improves us yet again from the last, your view is flawed. If we manage to finish in the top half he’s done another remarkable job.

It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

Top half would be remarkable? After spending the thick end of half a billion quid? Bielsa managed it first go last season, and Leeds haven't spent anything like the amounts we have.

Absolutely yes, it would be and I reckon we will do too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2021, 10:29:36 PM
I think top half should legitimately be expected this season. Tenth at least seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2021, 10:39:48 PM


Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Of course it does, but this is a crucial year for him.
Not disputed, but I think the first post was a reaction to Risso’s frankly ridiculous comment that we are “saddled with a lower league manager”.

Risso and everyone else is entitled to their own opinion but felt context was required for Smith here. Four years ago we were getting smashed in the Championship at Sheffield United 4-1. We were in a mess for the size of club Villa are...but how many other clubs could we say that about? Now we're talking about aspirations for European football. It's true, Villa have spent alot with Smith in charge but it's also true that alot of those players could very likely be sold for a decent profit now. Smith has to take his share of the responsibility for the good as well as the bad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2021, 10:41:46 PM
I genuinely think the international calendar is going to cost 5-8 points this season with Buendia, Bailey, Martinez, Doug, Nakamba and Traore potentially missing 7-8 club games each due to covid rules etc and African nations. That's a huge pool of talent to remove. Especially when we have tried to Co operate and the Argentina manager says bollocks to Villa they will play all 3 games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2021, 10:44:28 PM
I genuinely think the international calendar is going to cost 5-8 points this season with Buendia, Bailey, Martinez, Doug, Nakamba and Traore potentially missing 7-8 club games each due to covid rules etc and African nations. That's a huge pool of talent to remove. Especially when we have tried to Co operate and the Argentina manager says bollocks to Villa they will play all 3 games.

Did we have to release Buendia and Martinez this time out?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2021, 10:50:06 PM
Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2021, 11:16:55 PM
Indeed. In protest, I'm going to write to my MP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 12:49:47 AM
Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.

The international sides have the right to call players up. It's that simple. I'd contact FIFA, UEFA, The FA and the Premier League if I were you.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 02, 2021, 01:31:35 AM


Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Of course it does, but this is a crucial year for him.
Not disputed, but I think the first post was a reaction to Risso’s frankly ridiculous comment that we are “saddled with a lower league manager”.

Risso and everyone else is entitled to their own opinion but felt context was required for Smith here. Four years ago we were getting smashed in the Championship at Sheffield United 4-1. We were in a mess for the size of club Villa are...but how many other clubs could we say that about? Now we're talking about aspirations for European football. It's true, Villa have spent alot with Smith in charge but it's also true that alot of those players could very likely be sold for a decent profit now. Smith has to take his share of the responsibility for the good as well as the bad.



In fairness to Risso I don’t think he is doubting the ability of Smith to take one of the biggest clubs in the world and now one of the richest clubs in the world with massive investment out of the championship and into a mid-table position in the premiership

That’s never been in doubt because he has done it and deserves credit for it but let’s face it it’s not a miracle we’ve spent a quarter of a billion getting there,
Improvement year on year should be the minimum requirement from where we started with that sort of backing and investment anything else would be a bloody embarrassment

Some of you guys talk about Villa as if we’re the size of Crew Alexander with not a pot to piss in
And somehow find ourselves in a higher position than we deserve
We are where we are because two very rich guys saved the club invested hundreds of millions And then with the help of one of the best players in the world and the guidance of Dean Smith we’ve steadily improved over the last three seasons

We are exactly where we should be with what’s gone on at the club in the recent past
And now the challenge is to get to a position where we really belong
European football
Let’s stop pretending we’ve done something really special like what Brentford have done and start behaving and acting like we’re the biggest club in Midland’s bar none, loaded and ready to challenge

And all we’re asking is Dean the man to take us there
He will certainly get the time chance to prove it but there are concerns


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: steamer on September 02, 2021, 08:16:16 AM
Are we still allowed to bring in loan players ?
Did Barkley come in last year after the window closed ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 02, 2021, 08:39:23 AM
The trouble with Dean is he's probably the most anonymous "big club" manager in the Premiership. I quite like his low profile but I can understand part of Risso's point about attracting big name players. That's no attack on his potential or ability, just the reality that foreign players have heard of people like Bielsa and Benitez. Even obviously arse managers like Arteta are known more from their playing days. I do think there's a danger that the club may decide to get a "name" manager in, if we stutter a bit this season.. I have no idea what target they have set Smith this season whether its realistic or they'll still heading for this European target but if there's any doubts about him from the owners, he could be under pressure.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2021, 08:41:14 AM
Are we still allowed to bring in loan players ?
Did Barkley come in last year after the window closed ?

I don't think so. Barkley came in late but the transfer window was late last year because the previous season didn't finish till July. I think the only players we can bring in before January are free transfers, like when we signed the Ghost of Robert Pires.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on September 02, 2021, 08:41:50 AM


Arsenal have spent a shed load under Arteta and are going backwards. Arteta walked into Arsenal because he had a reputation as a good coach. Everton spent a shed load under Ancelotti and finished 12th and 10th in the last two seasons. Ancelotti has won leagues and champions leagues in multiple countries. Both of these are established premier league teams.

Smith took over a lopsided championship team in October, with  a number of players on loan and oldies with contracts expiring. Had one transfer window (which was the hardest one to do much in) and got us up following a record winning run. That included a win at Wembley; something we’ve been shocking at doing for 20 years.

He then helped rebuild the squad, improving almost every player we signed, keeping us up and then getting our best finish in over a decade.

Last season we thrashed the champions (managed by Jurgen Klopp) in performance that will always be remembered (especially by Klopp), beat Tottenham and Leicester away (managed by Rodgers), did the double over Arsenal and took 4 points off the eventual champions league winners. Keep in mind that the home win against Tuchel’s team was when they were desperate to win to help ensure they qualified for the champions league.

We got a British record fee for a player that was going to leave for not even a quarter of that when Smith took over and whom he improved.

And we’ve done all that whilst improving our league placing each season and broadly playing very good football, particular against teams that have bench players that would walk into the majority of teams in the Europe, let alone the premier league.

Does all that not warrant the faith from NSWE to see what else he might be able to do? And from us supporters as well for that matter?

Of course it does, but this is a crucial year for him.
Not disputed, but I think the first post was a reaction to Risso’s frankly ridiculous comment that we are “saddled with a lower league manager”.

Risso and everyone else is entitled to their own opinion but felt context was required for Smith here. Four years ago we were getting smashed in the Championship at Sheffield United 4-1. We were in a mess for the size of club Villa are...but how many other clubs could we say that about? Now we're talking about aspirations for European football. It's true, Villa have spent alot with Smith in charge but it's also true that alot of those players could very likely be sold for a decent profit now. Smith has to take his share of the responsibility for the good as well as the bad.



In fairness to Risso I don’t think he is doubting the ability of Smith to take one of the biggest clubs in the world and now one of the richest clubs in the world with massive investment out of the championship and into a mid-table position in the premiership

That’s never been in doubt because he has done it and deserves credit for it but let’s face it it’s not a miracle we’ve spent a quarter of a billion getting there,
Improvement year on year should be the minimum requirement from where we started with that sort of backing and investment anything else would be a bloody embarrassment

Some of you guys talk about Villa as if we’re the size of Crew Alexander with not a pot to piss in
And somehow find ourselves in a higher position than we deserve
We are where we are because two very rich guys saved the club invested hundreds of millions And then with the help of one of the best players in the world and the guidance of Dean Smith we’ve steadily improved over the last three seasons

We are exactly where we should be with what’s gone on at the club in the recent past
And now the challenge is to get to a position where we really belong
European football
Let’s stop pretending we’ve done something really special like what Brentford have done and start behaving and acting like we’re the biggest club in Midland’s bar none, loaded and ready to challenge

And all we’re asking is Dean the man to take us there
He will certainly get the time chance to prove it but there are concerns

In the season we got up, we spent a total of £13m on transfer fees and got 8 loan signings in. The big signings under the previous ownership like McCormack, Hogan, Gollini, that Tishbolo, we’re nowhere to be seen and Chester was done midway through that season. Is that really a lot to get out of the championship?

The investments in players since have almost all been astute with a decent probability of making of profit on the big signings we made before this summer. In the season we got promoted, 22 senior players left either permanently or on loan (10). Our average spend replacing them (with 13 players) in 19/20 equated to £13.8m a player- peanuts in premier league terms-as we sought to play catch up and atone for the previous mess Smith and NSWE inherited. The majority of these signings (particularly the more expensive ones, Wesley aside) eventually worked out with their values increased and years on the clock to improve further.

I don’t agree our current position from our promotion 3 seasons is a minimum achievement relative to our spend. I don’t think it’s that straightforward. There are plenty of embarrassments out there with high spending. In some cases, established premier league clubs who have spent for years and got nowhere. We’ve had 3 straight seasons of an upward trajectory so far under Smith/NSWE. We want more but I think they overachieved relative to where they started from-a struggling lopsided team in the championship that almost went bankrupt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 02, 2021, 09:40:16 AM
The only other club who have had a similar trajectory as us, is Wolves and they've slipped back into lower midtable. Smith is doing a good job a d he has done a good job over a  number of years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2021, 10:19:44 AM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ketzster on September 02, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money
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Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 10:42:08 AM
The half a billion included wages as well, apologies for not making that clear.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: AV82EC on September 02, 2021, 10:55:18 AM
 I suppose the question NSWE will ask themselves is for that half billion is it good enough to have moved from a starting baseline of HMRC winding up the club and finishing 13th in the championship  to being mid table in the Premier League and having a viable FFP compliant football club. Personally I’d say it’s about par but with a bit more luck/judgement it could have been more. The Manager of course is a key player in that journey, I think there are things he could have done better and he is still learning but like others now we’ve reached the stable position in the PL he needs to show he has learnt and starts to deliver. For me that’s an improvement in league position and being competitive with the teams from 5th to 10th. Deliver on that and he’ll still be here.

I also think it needs to be pointed out that £250m of that half billion has come from TV and media rights not from NSWE.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 02, 2021, 11:15:54 AM
Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.

I think the blu tacks come off the back of your Troy Deeney poster mate, best get along now and stick it back up
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Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 11:35:47 AM
I suppose the question NSWE will ask themselves is for that half billion is it good enough to have moved from a starting baseline of HMRC winding up the club and finishing 13th in the championship  to being mid table in the Premier League and having a viable FFP compliant football club. Personally I’d say it’s about par but with a bit more luck/judgement it could have been more. The Manager of course is a key player in that journey, I think there are things he could have done better and he is still learning but like others now we’ve reached the stable position in the PL he needs to show he has learnt and starts to deliver. For me that’s an improvement in league position and being competitive with the teams from 5th to 10th. Deliver on that and he’ll still be here.

I also think it needs to be pointed out that £250m of that half billion has come from TV and media rights not from NSWE.

Yep, with last season's start, we'd started to expect more. The finish was disappointing. This season we should be more stable and less reliant on one or two players. I'd expect us to do better than last season. I think we absolutely should be pushing for a few places improvement on the league,given what we've spent in the summer.

We've not got a world class player in there yet, but we've acquired some real quality.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 02, 2021, 11:37:56 AM
Seems like we are happy to get anyone out of the door either for loans or international duty

The fact we have let Martinez leave for 3 games plus any potential covid delays without bringing in another Goalkeeper is a disgrace.

I think the blu tacks come off the back of your Troy Deeney poster mate, best get along now and stick it back up

That's harsh, just because says something you don't like! I think he makes a fair point, does that make a blue nose???? Bloody hell!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 11:39:22 AM
The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 11:41:04 AM
The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.

Alright Blozzjim. Calm down 😉
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 11:44:07 AM
According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.



And it might be inaccurate, but let's be fair ozz, you and I and Risso have negative views sometimes but I don't think we've ever been accused of blousery. Fred gets it because he's so ludicrous and self-parodic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 11:48:28 AM
The blue nose calling at posters that have a negative view on things gets a bit tiresome.



And it might be inaccurate, but let's be fair ozz, you and I and Risso have negative views sometimes but I don't think we've ever been accused of blousery. Fred gets it because he's so ludicrous and self-parodic.

Haha
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

Did we really pay Chelsea 11m for Barkley??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
According to Google. I suspect it may have included wages, but I didn't delve too deeply.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Vegas on September 02, 2021, 12:15:46 PM
According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. More than most teams who come up, we had to replace a fair number of loan players just to stand still. I.e. the first £50m or so was just to maintain (literally in Mings’ case) a team that came 5th in the Championship.

The £50m is obviously arbitrary but I think probably right  ballpark. If you accept that, we’ve spent about £150m net on a 5th place championship team. I’m not saying that this is miracle, fairytale stuff from Dean but I personally think it’s a good return, more than just what is expected.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 12:28:16 PM
People forget that we chose to let go of half the promotion squad.  The likes of Whelan, Adomah, Chester, Elphick, Jedinak, Green and Hutton would gladly have stayed.  We chose to put ourselves in the position where we needed to sign so many players.  I'm not making a case that we should have kept any of them but not all promoted clubs have that luxury.

The only ones we paid to keep were Mings, ElGhazi & Hause - £30m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 02, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Deans 3 seasons imo

1st season - 10/10 couldn’t ask for anything more superb season or 3/4 of a season and we’re out the championship

2nd season - poor football, scrambling about on the last day of the season hoping other results go our way I don’t think that’s overachieving, I thought it was a disappointing season
And I’m not alone as The majority on here wanted him gone with five or six games to go so don’t pretend otherwise

3rd season - first half best football I’ve seen at Villa Park for a decade, it’s all coming together Europe here we come
Absolutely buzzing my head off

second half The wheels drop off, Grealish gets injured no one knows what’s going on Football turns to tripe
End up bottom half which for me was an underachieving season

4th season - Who knows ?


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 02, 2021, 12:47:48 PM
According to transfermkt:

21/22  in £89.84    out  £114.30
20/21  in £91.22    out  £2.49
19/20  in £143.55  out  £2.70

Total    in £324.61  out £119.49

This doesn't include loans or wages - eg Axel loan fee £5.00; Barkley loan fee £11.00m, Reina, Drinkwater

So we're prob talking c£340m spent.  I'm not sure it's reasonable to add wages because every club pays wages and I'd guess ours are no more than average for the PL.

I'm not trying to make any particular point here, but I guess I'd say that nothwithstanding the weakness of the promoted squad there probably isn't another promoted team that has come close to this spend in the history of the PL, so whilst a midtable finish was solid progress, it's hardly spectacular.


yeah but its a big notwithstanding really. That's team would have got mullured week in week out in the premier, and it was miracle it came up really.  You've basically got Ratboy, Mings ,Mcginn and maybe El Ghazi who have proven to be established premiership level players. Of the rest, you've got, Hause Steer, Elmo and Hourihane who looked adequate reserve players so that money spent in 19/20 had to get us 7 first team players and 6 reserves (based on current squad size of 21). That's about 11m per player or basically like trying to buy 8 players for what we spent on Buendia, Ings and Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 02, 2021, 01:01:22 PM
His biggest test is how he uses the squad this season imo.

Last season endless excuses were made for his lack of subs because we had little in reserve and in fairness when your backup strikers are Davis and Wes (who wasn't even making the bench until April) it was fair.

Now despite no DM signing we still have 7-8 midfielders who want to get regular minutes and same for final third. Trez will probably be back in January as another option for final few months.

I'm hoping to see some decent formation switches this years, times when we play 3 at the back (sorry CWB) others when we play a diamond in midfield and others when high press 4-3-3 is the right way.

Good example last season was when we played West Ham. They had a standard way of playing but that night Moyes started Fredricks and pushed Coufal up and pretty much nulified G***lish and they comfortably won.

What I don't want to see is us just playing an ill-fitting 4-4-2 against pretty much everyone just because DS is too scared to drop a big name or expensive forward playing. It will also go against all he's done as a manager in last decade.

That's one of the things that will suggest to me can he make step up into eilite manager land as say Brendan Rodgers has done in last decade with his body of work at a few clubs.

Will also mean when everyone is fit he'll have 2-3 good sub options to bring on so again hopefully not leaving those type of subs until 80th minute as happened with Ollie v Brentford when he could've been on around the hour mark.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 02, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

And they get mullered mostly. Norwich have a much more settled team that we had. They didn't have a load of old men like Whelan and Hutton. Their main striker wasn't a loan that was unbuyable. And they're getting mullered. I'd admit on paper 143m sounds a lot, but it was necessary if we wanted half a chance of staying up. None of the players we let go are premiership players now because they were either old, or in most cases, a bit shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 01:13:42 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

None of the players we let go are premiership players now because they were either old, or in most cases, a bit shit.

Or both.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 02, 2021, 01:33:10 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

None of the players we let go are premiership players now because they were either old, or in most cases, a bit shit.

Or both.

Aye. And the other problem was who we could attract to stay up. If Delia Smith found 143m down the back of her sofa they wouldn't have got an Ings or a bailey however much Norwich offered because the players wouldn't have come to a club perceived as cannon fodder. Just like we couldn't.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ketzster on September 02, 2021, 01:36:37 PM
The problem with Smith is, yes he probably has achieved all of his targets. So you’ve got people who will say that, and others that can see the things like the tactical inflexibility and the record without Grealish. And as Grealish has now gone the latter is more relevant. To be fair to those that are critical of him, he has had 3 years to demonstrate he can come up with different systems depending who is available, and he hasn’t managed it. That includes a run in the Championship where he still had better players than the other teams we were playing (Abraham, Mcginn, El Ghazi for example). I agree with SoccerHQ above about him finding different formations, but I have absolutely no doubt that all we will see is 4-3-3 no matter who is available
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
Yep, look at that Rashisca (sp?) lad who was at Werder Bremen (I think).He didn't want to sign for us because last year because he thought we were relegation candidates. Then he got relegated. Then joined Norwich. Funny how the world works sometimes.

Edit: I was replying to sb
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 01:39:47 PM
Top 4 was never really realistic, as to compete over 38 games with the likes of Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would take some doing. Outside of that though, it’s all pretty much of a muchness. Our main problem in my opinion is we’re saddled with a lower league manager who’s been given a third of a billion quid to spend but whose managerial ability really doesn’t warrant the faith the owners have shown him. He doesn’t have the tactical ability nor is he a draw for top players to get us into the top 6..

Well this seasons a huge one for Smith and if he improves us yet again from the last, your view is flawed. If we manage to finish in the top half he’s done another remarkable job.

It was a mixed bag last year and he outwitted some of the best mangers, yet failed against others. So far he’s doing a fantastic job.

Top half would be remarkable? After spending the thick end of half a billion quid? Bielsa managed it first go last season, and Leeds haven't spent anything like the amounts we have.

This stuff about what Bielsa did "first go" is a bit misleading, because he's actually been Leeds' manager longer than Dean has been with us, and had an extra transfer window.  Dean got us up "first go", Bielsa's Leeds needed another full year. Bielsa also inherited a much younger squad in the Championship, that needed far less surgery, than our own. 

Bielsa is a great manager, there is no doubt about it, and he's done a really good job at Leeds, but Dean has done a pretty good job too, in slightly less time and with one transfer window fewer.  They were separated by two league places and just four points after 3 seasons, and two and a half seasons in charge respectively.

I don't see how one can be declared a brilliant manager, and the other defined as a lower league manager?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money

Leeds have spent (Net) about £140m since they were promoted so about £70m per season.
In 1 more season we have a net spend of about £200m so slightly under £70m a season.

On that basis most of your post is wrong.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 01:50:52 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

You're absolutely right of course, an awful lot of promoted teams can't afford to replace players who are too old, or out of contract, with new, better or younger ones.  But most of those teams also get relegated straight away.   I remember reading a while ago that 2 out of 3 promoted teams get relegated during their first three seasons in the top flight. I think it's something like once in 20 years that all 3 promoted teams survived.

Getting promoted, and staying in the Premier League is NOT easy.  Highlighting what a lot of teams do regarding transfers isn't really relevant if it isn't successful in keeping them up.

I'm more interested in what the teams who stayed up long-term did.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ketzster on September 02, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money

Leeds have spent (Net) about £140m since they were promoted so about £70m per season.
In 1 more season we have a net spend of about £200m so slightly under £70m a season.

On that basis most of your post is wrong.

I’m not really sure how you’ve worked the figures there. At the end of last summers window, we’d spent roughly 200 million and Leeds spent 98 million last summer. So take out the window just gone, by my calculations Leeds last season had spent about half of what we had since promotion
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 02, 2021, 02:04:33 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

And most go straight back down.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money

Leeds have spent (Net) about £140m since they were promoted so about £70m per season.
In 1 more season we have a net spend of about £200m so slightly under £70m a season.

On that basis most of your post is wrong.

I’m not really sure how you’ve worked the figures there. At the end of last summers window, we’d spent roughly 200 million and Leeds spent 98 million last summer. So take out the window just gone, by my calculations Leeds last season had spent about half of what we had since promotion

So you're saying that Leeds, in 1 season, have spent half what we did in 2. How does that show Bielsa did brilliantly with a limited budget and Smith has just has better resources?
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Post by: Ads on September 02, 2021, 02:07:53 PM
Leeds the paupers, who've just spent £30m on a winger. A bit like us.

I dont see why Bielsa being a good manager impacts on Smith. Worth noting that the former has had 2 good years at Leeds, arguably 3, although he has the distinction of being the only side to ever top the Championship at Christmas and fail to be promoted.
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Post by: Ketzster on September 02, 2021, 02:09:21 PM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money

Leeds have spent (Net) about £140m since they were promoted so about £70m per season.
In 1 more season we have a net spend of about £200m so slightly under £70m a season.

On that basis most of your post is wrong.

I’m not really sure how you’ve worked the figures there. At the end of last summers window, we’d spent roughly 200 million and Leeds spent 98 million last summer. So take out the window just gone, by my calculations Leeds last season had spent about half of what we had since promotion

So you're saying that Leeds, in 1 season, have spent half what we did in 2. How does that show Bielsa did brilliantly with a limited budget and Smith has just has better resources?

Isn’t the answer obvious? Smith should therefore have double the resources Leeds do shouldn’t he, if he’s had the chance to spend 2 x 100 million. You might disagree, but it doesn’t make my post wrong. There are times under Smith where we regularly look like we haven’t been coached. A good manager would make a massive difference
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Post by: TonyD on September 02, 2021, 02:09:33 PM
I think a lot of his starting formations and then subsequent subs (or lack of them) and general game management means I see little to suggest that he has the skills to make us succeed.
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Post by: Ads on September 02, 2021, 02:11:56 PM
We've spent longer in the Premier League, so obviously we've spent more.

Leeds spent £96.1m last season, net, compared to the momey they spent in their summer prior to promotion.

They didn't have a squad to replace either. They've spent money and unsurprisingly benefited from it. What a shocking conclusion.
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Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 02:12:26 PM
I was intrigued by a comment that Smith had spent the 'thick end of half a billion' since his arrival in October 2018. I couldn't think how that estimate was arrived at so took a look at www.transfermarkt.co.uk.
I looked at Villa's most expensive 50 players and then sorted them by year of purchase to see how much has been spent on Dean's watch: I would include a picture here to show the data but cannot seem to do it!.
This analysis does not include players bought for under £6.00mm, but, Smith seems to have spent £322mm on 19 players; roughly £17mm per player. The average Premier League player is currently valued at £15.8mm (purchase value) by the same source.

I don't think the Smith years are marked by excessive spend or profligacy, based on this. Obviously, we can question the quality of some of the purchases but not the overall spend. Nor has he spent a big amount given that he was effectively rebuilding a depleted squad.

322 million is still an awful lot. Leeds didn’t spend much last year and managed to finish in the top half. As my Leeds mate always tells me, they’ve got Liam League 1 Cooper playing in defence. So it’s fair to say Smith had had better resources available than that. Yet we spend a fortune and people talk as though it would be a great achievement if Smith finished in the top half. Bielsa is just an example of what a really good manager can do without spending a fortune. Imagine if you combined having a really good manager and spending money

Leeds have spent (Net) about £140m since they were promoted so about £70m per season.
In 1 more season we have a net spend of about £200m so slightly under £70m a season.

On that basis most of your post is wrong.

I’m not really sure how you’ve worked the figures there. At the end of last summers window, we’d spent roughly 200 million and Leeds spent 98 million last summer. So take out the window just gone, by my calculations Leeds last season had spent about half of what we had since promotion

So you're saying that Leeds, in 1 season, have spent half what we did in 2. How does that show Bielsa did brilliantly with a limited budget and Smith has just has better resources?

Isn’t the answer obvious? Smith should therefore have double the resources Leeds do shouldn’t he, if he’s had the chance to spend 2 x 100 million. You might disagree, but it doesn’t make my post wrong. There are times under Smith where we regularly look like we haven’t been coached. A good manager would make a massive difference

No, because there's more to it than that. You claimed Bielsa was doing it on a budget and Smith was, effectively, being bankrolled and that just isn't true but because you don't like Smith (and regularly appear on the forum when there's a chance to moan about him before disappearing when things are going well) you're shifting the goalposts to slag him off.
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Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Dean's had very limited success without Grealish in whatever side he's put out. We're still two or three players short of a balanced first team squad without our erstwhile worldie and with all players fit. It's not going to end well.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 02, 2021, 02:20:06 PM
I think a lot of his starting formations and then subsequent subs (or lack of them) and general game management means I see little to suggest that he has the skills to make us succeed.

October 2018 mid table in championship-Promotion, staying up when most go down, a cup final, mid table in premier by May 2021. We have been succeeding and he’s been the manager whilst been doing it.
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Post by: TonyD on September 02, 2021, 02:38:51 PM
I think a lot of his starting formations and then subsequent subs (or lack of them) and general game management means I see little to suggest that he has the skills to make us succeed.

October 2018 mid table in championship-Promotion, staying up when most go down, a cup final, mid table in premier by May 2021. We have been succeeding and he’s been the manager whilst been doing it.
Maybe I should have said improve further.   Without Jack.  We shall see.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

And most go straight back down.
That's kind of the point I'm making.  People seem to try to wash over the fact that we spent £140 because we had a thin squad.  Well, yes we did - but that was partly be design and our own choices.  Other clubs would have had to make do with a few Adomahs and Huttons rather than releasing them.  I know we had a lot of work to do and I've used that defence myself many times - but the reality is we had the luxury of spending £140m and stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

I'm a Smith in man, but his achievments in the PL should be seen against the backdrop of a £250m spend in his first two seasons.
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Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 02:53:52 PM
Dean's had very limited success without Grealish in whatever side he's put out. We're still two or three players short of a balanced first team squad without our erstwhile worldie and with all players fit. It's not going to end well.

Why? is Armageddon coming?
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Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

And most go straight back down.
That's kind of the point I'm making.  People seem to try to wash over the fact that we spent £140 because we had a thin squad.  Well, yes we did - but that was partly be design and our own choices.  Other clubs would have had to make do with a few Adomahs and Huttons rather than releasing them.  I know we had a lot of work to do and I've used that defence myself many times - but the reality is we had the luxury of spending £140m and stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

I'm a Smith in man, but his achievments in the PL should be seen against the backdrop of a £250m spend in his first two seasons.

We finished 18 points behind Norwich in the Championship, and the following season we finished 14 points ahead of them in the Premier League.  THAT is what £140m spend in your first season back buys you. The next £100m got us up league another 6 places and out of the relegation fight.   

Now, this is where it starts getting REALLY difficult, because we are into the law of diminishing returns as far as "throwing money at it" is concerned - and another £100m definitely doesn't get us another 6 places - but I'm intrigued to see how we do considering it's a big restructure of the teams forward line, for basically no outlay.
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Post by: Ads on September 02, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
Dean's had very limited success without Grealish in whatever side he's put out. We're still two or three players short of a balanced first team squad without our erstwhile worldie and with all players fit. It's not going to end well.

Why? is Armageddon coming?

The Urkai are always running amok in the Shire.
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Post by: john e on September 02, 2021, 03:53:28 PM
Funny though, a lot of other promoted teams come up without a full team of premier league ready players don't they?  They don't all have the option to release their Huttons, Whelans and Adomahs as they haven't got £140m to spend.  Most of them don't have the benefit of one of the best players in the league either.

And most go straight back down.
That's kind of the point I'm making.  People seem to try to wash over the fact that we spent £140 because we had a thin squad.  Well, yes we did - but that was partly be design and our own choices.  Other clubs would have had to make do with a few Adomahs and Huttons rather than releasing them.  I know we had a lot of work to do and I've used that defence myself many times - but the reality is we had the luxury of spending £140m and stayed up by the skin of our teeth.

I'm a Smith in man, but his achievments in the PL should be seen against the backdrop of a £250m spend in his first two seasons.

We finished 18 points behind Norwich in the Championship, and the following season we finished 14 points ahead of them in the Premier League.  THAT is what £140m spend in your first season back buys you. The next £100m got us up league another 6 places and out of the relegation fight.   

Now, this is where it starts getting REALLY difficult, because we are into the law of diminishing returns as far as "throwing money at it" is concerned - and another £100m definitely doesn't get us another 6 places - but I'm intrigued to see how we do considering it's a big restructure of the teams forward line, for basically no outlay.

It’s not an exact science though I just don’t think it works like that All the time
I accept that the more money spent the better chance you have but sometimes it’s just as important having good people doing good things and stuff coming together
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 02, 2021, 03:59:20 PM
Unlike almost every other side ever that's managed it before or since, we weren't good enough to get promoted. In three years we'd assembled a rag tag bunch of loanees, has-beens and hopefuls, that managed in entirety less than a week in the promotion places. It took a club record winning run with one of the best players on the planet to propel us to the giddy heights of fifth, whereupon we beat some rubbish on penalties in one semi while Leeds, having somehow managed to dodge automatic promotion again, proceeded to trip over their own feet in the other, thus presenting us with a one off game we could actually win.

Other than Grealish, nobody was PL ready. We were, to my mind, and with hindsight, a f***ing shambles in waiting.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2021, 04:03:36 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.
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Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2021, 04:05:41 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.

Yes, it's been galling to see how well all of their careers have progressed since.
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Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 04:19:39 PM
Unlike almost every other side ever that's managed it before or since, we weren't good enough to get promoted. In three years we'd assembled a rag tag bunch of loanees, has-beens and hopefuls, that managed in entirety less than a week in the promotion places. It took a club record winning run with one of the best players on the planet to propel us to the giddy heights of fifth, whereupon we beat some rubbish on penalties in one semi while Leeds, having somehow managed to dodge automatic promotion again, proceeded to trip over their own feet in the other, thus presenting us with a one off game we could actually win.

Other than Grealish, nobody was PL ready. We were, to my mind, and with hindsight, a f***ing shambles in waiting.

More importantly even the owners and CEO didn't expect us to get promoted from that point. They were pretty clear that we were promoted ahead of schedule and a consequence of that will be that we didn't have a season of filling the squad out with younger players who could get us promoted and then step up and be squad players in the top flight (McGinn, AEG and Guilbert show the sort of players I think we'd have been building around).

To go back to the Leeds comparison they had the advantage of that extra season embedding a style into the squad and having a championship core that could step up which meant their ~£100m was spent solely on add quality to the squad, we need to add quantity as well because the players we released just weren't worth giving new deals to to save a few pennies. If we couldn't afford to let them go and buy replacements we'd have gone down.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 04:31:41 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.
Nobody's suggesting that at all, as you well know.

People constantly play down our £140m spend because we had so few players - I've done it myself.  The point being made was that lots of clubs get promoted with some sub-standard players.  The fact we decided to shift ours off the books doesn't change the fact that the £140m we had to spend pretty much blows out the water what any other promoted club spent before or since.

I like Smith and think he has doen ok.  But the suggestion that he hasn't had an incredible budget to play with is ludicrous.
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Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 04:42:40 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.
Nobody's suggesting that at all, as you well know.

People constantly play down our £140m spend because we had so few players - I've done it myself.  The point being made was that lots of clubs get promoted with some sub-standard players.  The fact we decided to shift ours off the books doesn't change the fact that the £140m we had to spend pretty much blows out the water what any other promoted club spent before or since.

I like Smith and think he has doen ok.  But the suggestion that he hasn't had an incredible budget to play with is ludicrous.

The bold bit isn't quite accurate though because what we actually did was not give new contracts to people who were out of contract with us and weren't good enough to play at the level we were moving to. A poorer club in the same position wouldn't have done the same but replaced them with free transfers and cheaper gambles. We could afford to spend more so we did but we still had the spread the money thin and bring in a lot of players in a single window. No one has said he hasn't had a good budget people have just said that, on average, his signings have been right about the average cost you'd expect for premier league players over the 5 windows he's had so it's not like he's had the sort of insane funding that Chelsea and the Manchester clubs have thrown around at times and we've been blowing clubs out of the water with our spending.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 05:03:45 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.
Nobody's suggesting that at all, as you well know.

People constantly play down our £140m spend because we had so few players - I've done it myself.  The point being made was that lots of clubs get promoted with some sub-standard players.  The fact we decided to shift ours off the books doesn't change the fact that the £140m we had to spend pretty much blows out the water what any other promoted club spent before or since.

I like Smith and think he has doen ok.  But the suggestion that he hasn't had an incredible budget to play with is ludicrous.

The bold bit isn't quite accurate though because what we actually did was not give new contracts to people who were out of contract with us and weren't good enough to play at the level we were moving to. A poorer club in the same position wouldn't have done the same but replaced them with free transfers and cheaper gambles. We could afford to spend more so we did but we still had the spread the money thin and bring in a lot of players in a single window. No one has said he hasn't had a good budget people have just said that, on average, his signings have been right about the average cost you'd expect for premier league players over the 5 windows he's had so it's not like he's had the sort of insane funding that Chelsea and the Manchester clubs have thrown around at times and we've been blowing clubs out of the water with our spending.
I don't think I'm disagreeing with you really Paul.  We could have retained these players and chose not to.  Other promoted clubs don't tend to have that luxury.  The money was spread thin as we were able to make that decision.  I think the squad we came up with is a bit over played.  Of the play off final team we had the opportunity to retain the entire match day squad except for Tuanzebe & Abraham at a starting cost of c £30m for Mings, ElGhazi & Hause. 

The reality is the budget we've had is enormous compared to most promoted clubs.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 02, 2021, 05:05:54 PM
Every thread eventually morphs into a Smith thread!!

In other news the Greasy one has a pre recorded interview prior to the Engerland game tonight…let’s all brace to be thoroughly wound up…..the fucker was always going to move!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2021, 05:19:41 PM
We've spent longer in the Premier League, so obviously we've spent more.

Leeds spent £96.1m last season, net, compared to the momey they spent in their summer prior to promotion.

They didn't have a squad to replace either. They've spent money and unsurprisingly benefited from it. What a shocking conclusion.

All true but the season before (19/20) they spent zero, relied on loans and had to sell to stay afloat. The season before a net spend of just under £4m. Whichever way you look at it, Bielsa has done a fantastic job there. Whether they can continue this season is another matter, their squad may be too small but that's how he prefers it.
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Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 05:23:46 PM
I don't think I'm disagreeing with you really Paul.  We could have retained these players and chose not to.  Other promoted clubs don't tend to have that luxury.  The money was spread thin as we were able to make that decision.  I think the squad we came up with is a bit over played.  Of the play off final team we had the opportunity to retain the entire match day squad except for Tuanzebe & Abraham at a starting cost of c £30m for Mings, ElGhazi & Hause. 

The reality is the budget we've had is enormous compared to most promoted clubs.


The bold bit is what I'm disagreeing with, no club/manager would give a new contract, with a massive pay rise, to a player they had decided wasn't good enough to be part of the squad, I don't care how big your budget is that just doesn't happen. What that means is that any club who'd been promoted with a squad in the mess ours was would've been in the same position of needing to completely rebuild and it's that part of it that people use as a reason why staying up was a good result. We've seen other clubs have to do similar and go straight back down.


The amount spent is pretty misleading (it always is, I hate the comments about net spend all the time, it's a meaningless debate beyond the debt/FFP aspects) the difficulty always comes from forming so many new signings into a functioning team. This is why I've said a number of times that I think a team trying to get somewhere should generally be limiting new signings to 4-6 in the summer and 1-2 in the winter as the absolute maximum and even that is too many to do year after year. I'd like us to get to the point where we're only adding 2-3 players a season and each of them is either adding quality into the first 11 or is coming in a year early to slowly replace someone who we're looking to move on the next summer.

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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 05:45:22 PM
We've spent longer in the Premier League, so obviously we've spent more.

Leeds spent £96.1m last season, net, compared to the momey they spent in their summer prior to promotion.

They didn't have a squad to replace either. They've spent money and unsurprisingly benefited from it. What a shocking conclusion.

All true but the season before (19/20) they spent zero, relied on loans and had to sell to stay afloat. The season before a net spend of just under £4m. Whichever way you look at it, Bielsa has done a fantastic job there. Whether they can continue this season is another matter, their squad may be too small but that's how he prefers it.

Bielsa's done a great job, yes. I just don't know what it has to do with us or Dean Smith. Klopp's done a brilliant job, as has Brendan Rodgers. Still means nothing to Villa.
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 02, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
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Dean's had very limited success without Grealish in whatever side he's put out. We're still two or three players short of a balanced first team squad without our erstwhile worldie and with all players fit. It's not going to end well.

I think the injury / COVID situation is making things seem a bit worse with the squad.  From last season, I thought we needed a better replacement left back than Neil Taylor - got in Ashley Young who can also cover right back.  We needed to replace Engels if he moved on - got in Tuanzebe, albeit on loan.  Needed better wide options and to bring in someone if a certain person left - brought in Buendia and Bailey.  Needed another forward option - brought in Ings. 

The only real disappointment for me was we didn't bring in a quality defensive midfielder and I still think that will be a costly decision.  I think the only other position we we are somewhat weaker in terms of squad options is goalkeeper, but apart from that I don't think we are significantly weaker although we have lost a genuinely top class talent.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2021, 05:53:49 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.
Nobody's suggesting that at all, as you well know.

People constantly play down our £140m spend because we had so few players - I've done it myself.  The point being made was that lots of clubs get promoted with some sub-standard players.  The fact we decided to shift ours off the books doesn't change the fact that the £140m we had to spend pretty much blows out the water what any other promoted club spent before or since.

I like Smith and think he has doen ok.  But the suggestion that he hasn't had an incredible budget to play with is ludicrous.

That's exactly what you are saying otherwise why mention them, so don't come this "as you well know" bollocks. The players you named weren't good enough - any Premier League club with them in the squad would have been lucky to get more than a dozen points. Of course we could have kept them. We could also have re-signed Jordan Bowery, Michael Boulding and Joleon Lescott and got the same end result.

When the final whistle sounded in the play-off final we had two contracted players good enough for a Premier League team - Ratboy and John McGinn. How that can be turned into some sort of luxury is beyond me.
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Post by: john e on September 02, 2021, 06:44:29 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with Smith because he didn’t sign them
but it’s staggering to think that we spent more money in the championship than any other team in history yet when we were promoted most of the side weren’t good enough to play in the premiership

Just shows you what a load of shit arsed managers we had before Smith
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
Dave

The point is we weren't as much different from other promoted teams as people make out.  As I said in the post above we could have had the entire play off squad save for Axel & Abraham.

I don't see how that is such a diferent starting point to the likes of West Brom, Watford, Norwich, Sheffield, Cardiff & Huddersfield over the years.

Yes it was a weak team, but so were a load of the above.  We spent £140m.  They didn't and had to make do with keeping their weaker players.



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Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2021, 07:16:46 PM
Again keeping and giving new contracts isn't the same thing, no club has ever been promoted and given new contracts to players like Whelan who were clearly too old to be effective in their new league.

if they'd all been under contract for another year or 2 and we'd still done the same then your point would make more sense but as it stands you're talking about us choosing to do something monumentally stupid that would've assured our relegation as an alternative to spending the money we did.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2021, 07:18:23 PM
You've certainly picked some rip-roaring Premier League success stories there. Of course we had to get of them. Three had gone already and the other four weren't good enough.
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Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
Absolutely nothing to do with Smith because he didn’t sign them
but it’s staggering to think that we spent more money in the championship than any other team in history yet when we were promoted most of the side weren’t good enough to play in the premiership

Just shows you what a load of shit arsed managers we had before Smith

And there's rub. Not only has Dean succeeded, well over-acheived in my book, but he's done whilst clearing up all the mess left behind.
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Post by: Ian. on September 02, 2021, 07:23:12 PM
I can't believe anyone is seriously suggesting that we weren't bad off when we got promoted because we had Hutton, Jedinak, Whelan, Adomah, Green, Chester & Elphick to call on.

Yes, it's been galling to see how well all of their careers have progressed since.

Absolutely right, we had no choice but to address so many positions across through the squad and 12-20 million a player doesn’t get you too much anymore and that’s the market we was in at the time.
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Post by: Ian. on September 02, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
We've spent longer in the Premier League, so obviously we've spent more.

Leeds spent £96.1m last season, net, compared to the momey they spent in their summer prior to promotion.

They didn't have a squad to replace either. They've spent money and unsurprisingly benefited from it. What a shocking conclusion.

All true but the season before (19/20) they spent zero, relied on loans and had to sell to stay afloat. The season before a net spend of just under £4m. Whichever way you look at it, Bielsa has done a fantastic job there. Whether they can continue this season is another matter, their squad may be too small but that's how he prefers it.

Bielsa's done a great job, yes. I just don't know what it has to do with us or Dean Smith. Klopp's done a brilliant job, as has Brendan Rodgers. Still means nothing to Villa.

I was thinking the same. What’s Bielsa’s got to do with us?
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 02, 2021, 07:29:01 PM
We've spent longer in the Premier League, so obviously we've spent more.

Leeds spent £96.1m last season, net, compared to the momey they spent in their summer prior to promotion.

They didn't have a squad to replace either. They've spent money and unsurprisingly benefited from it. What a shocking conclusion.

All true but the season before (19/20) they spent zero, relied on loans and had to sell to stay afloat. The season before a net spend of just under £4m. Whichever way you look at it, Bielsa has done a fantastic job there. Whether they can continue this season is another matter, their squad may be too small but that's how he prefers it.

Bielsa's done a great job, yes. I just don't know what it has to do with us or Dean Smith. Klopp's done a brilliant job, as has Brendan Rodgers. Still means nothing to Villa.

I was thinking the same. What’s Bielsa’s got to do with us?
Nothing.  But when discussing a managers sucess people look for comparisons.  Bielsa has done very well, some will argue better than Smith.  There's also a load of managers who have done worse. 

People can judge Smith on his own merits.  I think he's done ok.  He's had a fuck-tonne of money and one of the best players in the league to help him, but even so in my view he deserves to carry on the project.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2021, 09:49:32 PM
When we got promoted it would have taken us over £60 million just to keep the same team together.
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Post by: Ian. on September 02, 2021, 10:28:42 PM
How many other teams that gave got promoted through the play-offs, managed to stay up?
That season we were barely good enough for a top six finish until that magnificent run of games. We had to spend a lot to re-build, we had no choice. We always knew to progress we’d probably need more signings the following season.

Smith has done a fantastic job so far, credit where credits due.
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Post by: robleflaneur on September 02, 2021, 10:38:09 PM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.
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Post by: JD on September 02, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.

Totally agree with this.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 02, 2021, 10:52:12 PM
And me.
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Post by: Demitri_C on September 03, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
I think in the summer we should try get Bellingham. I couldnt care less if he is a blose fan. Regardless if he is a blose fan or not money talks and if we are progressing challenging for europe he would come.

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Post by: Rigadon on September 03, 2021, 06:52:24 AM
Money only talks until money+CL shouts. 
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 06:58:47 AM
I think in the summer we should try get Bellingham. I couldnt care less if he is a blose fan. Regardless if he is a blose fan or not money talks and if we are progressing challenging for europe he would come.



Unless we are in the Chumps League, we won't get anywhere near Bellingham. He will go to a top 4 side, my bet is Liverpool to replace Wijnaldum
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Post by: frank black on September 03, 2021, 07:57:08 AM
I think in the summer we should try get Bellingham. I couldnt care less if he is a blose fan. Regardless if he is a blose fan or not money talks and if we are progressing challenging for europe he would come.



Not a hope in hell
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 03, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
I think in the summer we should try get Bellingham. I couldnt care less if he is a blose fan. Regardless if he is a blose fan or not money talks and if we are progressing challenging for europe he would come.
doubt Bellingham would leave a massive club playing in Champions League for a mid-table Premier League club.
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Post by: London Villan on September 03, 2021, 08:50:21 AM
If Joe had stayed he is exactly the player we should have been chasing. He is exactly what we need in midfield. He'll end up at man u, man city or Chelsea next summer.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 03, 2021, 08:51:00 AM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.

Totally agree with this as well.
The other thing that is always thrown at Smith is the G factor and how we’ve gone on long winless runs without him under Smith. On the face of it you can’t argue with it, the results and facts point to this. But I would argue firstly, any team losing a true world class player would suffer, unless your a Man City. But taking a Salah out of Liverpool, despite their other resources would impact them, Spurs in the past have never done that well without Kane, although this may change this season, Chelsea haven’t been the same side without Kante.

Secondly and nearly always missing from the smith is nothing without Grealish discussion, is how good was Grealish on a consistent level until Smith came along. Ok he had injuries as ever, but in those first couple of years in the championship, can anyone seriously remember Grealish putting in a run of consistently good games, cuz I was there and I can’t. Is it really a coincidence that Grealish became this player under smith. Or are the smith decriers really saying that the admittedly hugely talented Grealish just came good of his own accord around about the time smith took over and how lucky was that for smith.
There is no doubt having Grealish really helped smith and it will be a challenge for him going forwards, but there is also no doubt in my mind that the benefit was mutual and we and Grealish has much to be appreciative of smith, for his development of said ratboy.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 09:27:40 AM
As Dave says above, it would have cost 60m to keep that promotion team together which is actually pretty funny when you think about it.

Looking at the players who left, nyland's probably had the best time of it ending up at Bournemouth. Most of the rest never played again or spent their time in the reserves a few levels down from us or abroad. I'm very grateful to them for getting us up so i'm not gloating at their demise but it was plainly not even a viable team for the championship.

The other factor is in hindsight we now know ratboy would have been off at the drop of the hat. If we hadn't have gone up that season, he would have been off, and we'd have been stuck in the championship with undoubtably nowhere near 143m to replace him and the rest of the team. Probably a 30m cheque would have got him. And again if we hadn't stayed up in our first season, No ratboy. So 143m spent and a wages bill for 14 new players in the championship :o

End of the day criticism of Smith is totally valid. I think most of us are looking at this season and wondering and worrying what he's gonna do with formation/tactics when he eventually gets a full team to pick from, but I think as time moves on and maybe Simth moves on in the future, people will realise more how important the last few years were for us. Even if we become a bog-standard higher mid-table Premiership team, we probably wouldn't have even been that if Bruce had stayed on for another season.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 03, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.
Fully agree.
I would also say that despite all the suppositions that Smithy has taken us as far as he can, they are just that - suppositions - he's improved our squad & league position every consecutive year; therefore until this comes to a grinding halt, we don't know what he can/cannot achieve.
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Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 10:18:26 AM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.

Totally agree with this as well.
The other thing that is always thrown at Smith is the G factor and how we’ve gone on long winless runs without him under Smith. On the face of it you can’t argue with it, the results and facts point to this. But I would argue firstly, any team losing a true world class player would suffer, unless your a Man City. But taking a Salah out of Liverpool, despite their other resources would impact them, Spurs in the past have never done that well without Kane, although this may change this season, Chelsea haven’t been the same side without Kante.

Secondly and nearly always missing from the smith is nothing without Grealish discussion, is how good was Grealish on a consistent level until Smith came along. Ok he had injuries as ever, but in those first couple of years in the championship, can anyone seriously remember Grealish putting in a run of consistently good games, cuz I was there and I can’t. Is it really a coincidence that Grealish became this player under smith. Or are the smith decriers really saying that the admittedly hugely talented Grealish just came good of his own accord around about the time smith took over and how lucky was that for smith.
There is no doubt having Grealish really helped smith and it will be a challenge for him going forwards, but there is also no doubt in my mind that the benefit was mutual and we and Grealish has much to be appreciative of smith, for his development of said ratboy.

It's hard to know how much was down to Smith, and how much was down to suddenly playing with a much better standard of player. He went from playing in the same team as the likes of Chester, Jedinak, Elphick and Adomah; to McGinn, Mings, Tuanzebe, El Ghazi and Abraham in the space of a season.
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Post by: wince on September 03, 2021, 10:24:05 AM
I thought the window went quite well all things considered. As soon as the phantom villa injury curse is lifted the better.
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Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
Yeah, but had it not been for Smith getting us up, he'd have been playing for someone else.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 03, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
If Joe had stayed he is exactly the player we should have been chasing. He is exactly what we need in midfield. He'll end up at man u, man city or Chelsea next summer.

What makes you think he wants to leave Dortmund?
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Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 10:31:06 AM
He'll be sold when Dortmund's Bellingham Timer goes 'ding'. It's all part of their usual plan. Haaland, Giovanni Reyna etc will all be in the same situation, as was Sancho.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 10:47:23 AM
Belllingham will stay there for a while longer I suspect. And if and when he goes, it won't be to us.
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Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
He'll be sold when Dortmund's Bellingham Timer goes 'ding'. It's all part of their usual plan. Haaland, Giovanni Reyna etc will all be in the same situation, as was Sancho.

Haaland will be their big windfall next summer so it's at least 2 years before Bellingham will be going and even then Reyna may be a better one for them to cash in on in that window.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 10:55:00 AM
Haaland's not going to be that much of a windfall with that clause in his contract. Rather a mistake financially i'd say.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 03, 2021, 10:55:13 AM
He'll have better options than us. Add in the Blues factor and there's less than zero chance.
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Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2021, 10:59:54 AM
Haaland's not going to be that much of a windfall with that clause in his contract. Rather a mistake financially i'd say.

it's still £65m for a guy that cost them about £16-17m but yes allowing that clause has halved what they should be getting for him.

Also I forgot to add Moukoko who is almost certainly going to be the next big thing there. What they've done as a club in the last 10 years or so is pretty amazing.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 03, 2021, 11:05:51 AM
He'll be sold when Dortmund's Bellingham Timer goes 'ding'. It's all part of their usual plan. Haaland, Giovanni Reyna etc will all be in the same situation, as was Sancho.

Haaland will be their big windfall next summer so it's at least 2 years before Bellingham will be going and even then Reyna may be a better one for them to cash in on in that window.

I think the contract Haaland signed means he can leave for relative peanuts next summer, something like £75m.
It’s a weird one, as it is arguably half his value but it was how they attracted him to the club in the first place.  Not to mention that Dortmund will still make a significant profit.

Villa should consider using it if it means we can get three years out of say Bellingham.
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Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2021, 11:15:19 AM
It's quite funny how fucked up the sport is when £65/75m (whatever it is, i've seen a few different values) is talked about as "relative peanuts". That's not a criticism of you at all, just of the system that means top players are now £100m+ and that means only 3-4 clubs will ever be competing for them.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 03, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
It's quite funny how fucked up the sport is when £65/75m (whatever it is, i've seen a few different values) is talked about as "relative peanuts". That's not a criticism of you at all, just of the system that means top players are now £100m+ and that means only 3-4 clubs will ever be competing for them.

I completely agree.  No idea how but it would be better for football if the wealth was shared better.  At the very least I think the media could play a part by not constantly wishing players were sold to the big X clubs, instead they should be high lighting the virtues of loyalty and how the league is better when it is competitive.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
True. But you can't help doing it really. We did the same with ratboy. Suddenly 100m doesn't seem enough when you know you can't attract an equivalent replacement, and players like Cantwell and JWP have 40+m price tags put on them
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Post by: Dave on September 03, 2021, 11:24:39 AM
Haaland's not going to be that much of a windfall with that clause in his contract. Rather a mistake financially i'd say.

it's still £65m for a guy that cost them about £16-17m but yes allowing that clause has halved what they should be getting for him.

Had that clause not been there, he wouldn't have gone to Dortmund in the first place. So I imagine they're pretty comfortable with how it's panned out.

It's similar to us only getting £8m for Delph back in the day. It was a fraction of what he was "worth", but the alternative was us getting nothing.
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Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 11:36:35 AM
Had that clause not been there, he wouldn't have gone to Dortmund in the first place. So I imagine they're pretty comfortable with how it's panned out.

It's similar to us only getting £8m for Delph back in the day. It was a fraction of what he was "worth", but the alternative was us getting nothing.

Same with Greasy, if the buyout clause hadn't been agreed to, he probably would have left last summer.
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Post by: Dave on September 03, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
Indeed, or at the very least he wouldn't have signed the new contract - meaning we'd probably have ended up selling for less than £100m this summer.
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Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2021, 11:48:40 AM
With that rat bastard, I reckon the existence of that clause meant we got got more than we would had it not been there.
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Post by: simboy on September 03, 2021, 12:10:50 PM
With that rat bastard, I reckon the existence of that clause meant we got got more than we would had it not been there.


I think it means that Villa recognised our need for him was more than his need for us at the time he signed it. If we didn't include he had no intention of signing any new contract. Don't forget the "i was 50/50 on signing the new contract" at the time of signing it.

 I had hoped he would give us one more season but the Euros clearly made his mind up to move.   
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Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2021, 12:15:21 PM
With that rat bastard, I reckon the existence of that clause meant we got got more than we would had it not been there.


I think it means that Villa recognised our need for him was more than his need for us at the time he signed it. If we didn't include he had no intention of signing any new contract. Don't forget the "i was 50/50 on signing the new contract" at the time of signing it.

 I had hoped he would give us one more season but the Euros clearly made his mind up to move.   

I agree with that, and usually it would mean the selling club loses out a little. But in this case, I reckon he'd have pushed for the move without it and we'd have ended up with £80-90m on the open market, whereas having that 'but it now' price sat there at £100m made it easy and clean for City just to cough up.
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Post by: simboy on September 03, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
With that rat bastard, I reckon the existence of that clause meant we got got more than we would had it not been there.


I think it means that Villa recognised our need for him was more than his need for us at the time he signed it. If we didn't include he had no intention of signing any new contract. Don't forget the "i was 50/50 on signing the new contract" at the time of signing it.

 I had hoped he would give us one more season but the Euros clearly made his mind up to move.   

I agree with that, and usually it would mean the selling club loses out a little. But in this case, I reckon he'd have pushed for the move without it and we'd have ended up with £80-90m on the open market, whereas having that 'but it now' price sat there at £100m made it easy and clean for City just to cough up.


Agreed. I think we got a good price for him too be fair. We also got another season out of him, got established in the Premiership and can move on confidently.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
Regardless, it shows what he actually thought of thr prospect of playing for Aston villa. Really sorry we were such an inconvenience.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
Has anyone seen the Ashley preece article? And rat boys response in twitter. Don't think he's happy
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Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 12:39:07 PM
It makes me wonder how he will respond to the booing at the end of next month. I wonder if it could get him sent off.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1433739514133032964?s=21
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 12:41:29 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/DgJPq13/IMG-20210903-WA0000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DgJPq13)
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Post by: mr underhill on September 03, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
I said a while ago he was worth a lot more than £100m to us and  I wish he was still with us. It took me aq long time to see what others saw in Grealish but once he added goals and assists to his game he was unplayable on his day.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 03, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
The truth hurts for dipstick grealish! Shame!
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
As mentioned on the ratboy thread he's seems to have embraced the z-list celebrity lifestyle without a club or anyone in TeamJack media savvy enough to hush it up as successfully as we were.. Only a matter of time before something happens with all those ManU fans looking to have a pop.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 01:19:40 PM
It's that last part of his tweet. The not understanding the football world. Well, explain away......
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2021, 01:27:31 PM
It's that last part of his tweet. The not understanding the football world. Well, explain away......

What it means is that when you say 'this is my club, my city, my home' and sign a new 5 year contract, what it really means in the football world is calling up your agent and getting a move to whoever will pay you the most money at the first opportunity you get.

Thats the real football world and we were all fools for thinking anything else.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
He's just not advised very well is he? In circumstances like this you just keep your mouth shut. It's easy. Don't do an interview because you won't come out of it well, and certainly don't reply to some Evening Mail journo
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.

No its not, it's a good article that sums the situation, and Ratboy, up perfectly well.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
And is totally vindicated by Ratboys response. You don't understand real football bull.
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Post by: Exeter 77 on September 03, 2021, 02:24:15 PM
I think Preece has switched his professional journalism off there and has written that piece as a fan.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 02:24:28 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.

No its not, it's a good article that sums the situation, and Ratboy, up perfectly well.
It's not and it doesn't.  It panders to a section of the support.  I wouldn't have had you pegged as one of them tbh.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 02:26:37 PM
Oh god don't start with the moral high ground for a bloke that calculated how to leave us while giving it the big one of you routine. He's a shit bag, and not with defending.
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Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2021, 02:29:32 PM
He's just not advised very well is he? In circumstances like this you just keep your mouth shut. It's easy. Don't do an interview because you won't come out of it well, and certainly don't reply to some Evening Mail journo

Do the interview but when you do it don't forget that the club you spent 19 years at was integral to you becoming a £100m player. I think that's the problem Preece and many others have with what he said asnd, more importantly, how it was said, it felt a lot like "If i wasn't a fan I'd have left you bunch of losers ages ago and now I have people around me worthy of my talent". I know I'm overplaying it but it comes across as pretty clear that he's thinking along those lines and can't see why anyone has a problem with it.
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Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.

No its not, it's a good article that sums the situation, and Ratboy, up perfectly well.

Agreed, he sums Greasy's interview up perfectly.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 02:31:10 PM
Oh god don't start with the moral high ground for a bloke that calculated how to leave us while giving it the big one of you routine. He's a shit bag, and not with defending.
There is no way he could have played his exit that would have left you happy.

Not signinging a contract - the ungrateful bastard is running down his contract
Signing a contract but not saying anything - the ungrateful bastard is jis=ust signing the contract as his move fell through
Telling fans how much he loved Villa after he left - the lying weasel bastard, why did he leave then

etc, etc

It was impossible for him to leave without a meltdown one way or another.  Whatever he did or said would have been picked over with a fine toothed comb and thrown back at him.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2021, 02:33:12 PM
Southgate wasn't picking him for England, and now is, after three games for Man City and still no Champions League games. He may very well become a better player there but he isn't now any better than he was with us.

It stinks, we might as well all give up if everytime we get anyone decent with ambition they all feel they need to move to a ESL6 team to get to play for England.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 03, 2021, 02:33:30 PM
This is more about Smith than transfers.I can't think of a player who has regressed under Smith.Elmo,El Ghazi and Conor nailed down places in the Championship side and Whelan had a part to play when most of us thought he was finished.
Hause wasn't well regarded by the Wolves fans,Brentford fans thought that Konsa's signing was a bit premature.Eddie Howes couldn't find a place in a leaky defence for Mings.How Howes ? Shades of Cahill and Knight.
The last 3 you might file under Terry but Smith helped to make  that Citeh player worth £100m. .In the first season we were crippled by injuries to very important players,Heaton,McGinn and Wesley but with relegation looking likely ,Smith and more importantly the players didn't panic.
Most buys have been good value,how much are Watkins and Konsa worth ?
Even lesser lights like El Ghazi and Nakamba have kept their value.
Flops only a few and minor ones,Kalinic ,Engels and injury might have scuppered a true assessment of Wesley.
The manager deserves a lot of credit.

Totally agree with this as well.
The other thing that is always thrown at Smith is the G factor and how we’ve gone on long winless runs without him under Smith. On the face of it you can’t argue with it, the results and facts point to this. But I would argue firstly, any team losing a true world class player would suffer, unless your a Man City. But taking a Salah out of Liverpool, despite their other resources would impact them, Spurs in the past have never done that well without Kane, although this may change this season, Chelsea haven’t been the same side without Kante.

Secondly and nearly always missing from the smith is nothing without Grealish discussion, is how good was Grealish on a consistent level until Smith came along. Ok he had injuries as ever, but in those first couple of years in the championship, can anyone seriously remember Grealish putting in a run of consistently good games, cuz I was there and I can’t. Is it really a coincidence that Grealish became this player under smith. Or are the smith decriers really saying that the admittedly hugely talented Grealish just came good of his own accord around about the time smith took over and how lucky was that for smith.
There is no doubt having Grealish really helped smith and it will be a challenge for him going forwards, but there is also no doubt in my mind that the benefit was mutual and we and Grealish has much to be appreciative of smith, for his development of said ratboy.

It's hard to know how much was down to Smith, and how much was down to suddenly playing with a much better standard of player. He went from playing in the same team as the likes of Chester, Jedinak, Elphick and Adomah; to McGinn, Mings, Tuanzebe, El Ghazi and Abraham in the space of a season.

Maybe Risso, but his form palpably improved almost immediately after Smith came in, he wasn’t doing anything from August to October in that season surrounded by all those players you mention (other than Mings)I don’t think it’s a fair analysis to regularly say (not aiming this specifically at you btw) Smith can’t hack it without Grealish, without at least taking on board the idea that it was a mutually beneficial professional relationship and Ratboy wouldn’t of been the influence he was for us without Smith.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 02:34:01 PM
He's just not advised very well is he? In circumstances like this you just keep your mouth shut. It's easy. Don't do an interview because you won't come out of it well, and certainly don't reply to some Evening Mail journo

Do the interview but when you do it don't forget that the club you spent 19 years at was integral to you becoming a £100m player. I think that's the problem Preece and many others have with what he said asnd, more importantly, how it was said, it felt a lot like "If i wasn't a fan I'd have left you bunch of losers ages ago and now I have people around me worthy of my talent". I know I'm overplaying it but it comes across as pretty clear that he's thinking along those lines and can't see why anyone has a problem with it.

Exactly Paul. It's hugely disrespectful to his former club and team mates, and he needs telling, the horrible little chav. He's played four games for his new club, and lost two of them, the other two being absolute gimmes against the two worst clubs in the division at the time, but all of a sudden his play is suddenly elevated to a whole new level? Absolute fucking cobblers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 02:36:19 PM
Of course it was possible. Handle it with some class and dignity. Don't spend a season saying one thing after signing a new deal while ferreting about with the billion pound messiah behind the scenes to get your move. Was he actually injured for 4 months last season? Amazing he got back for the last 2 games to make the England squad. He could have done a number of things to make it less distasteful.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 02:36:21 PM
Southgate wasn't picking him for England, and now is, after three games for Man City and still no Champions League games. He may very well become a better player there but he isn't now any better than he was with us.

It stinks, we might as well all give up if everytime we get anyone decent with ambition they all feel they need to move to a ESL6 team to get to play for England.
Agreed.  He may have moved anyway but Southgate's approach must have played a part.
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Post by: AV82EC on September 03, 2021, 02:36:42 PM
Oh god don't start with the moral high ground for a bloke that calculated how to leave us while giving it the big one of you routine. He's a shit bag, and not with defending.
There is no way he could have played his exit that would have left you happy.

Not signinging a contract - the ungrateful bastard is running down his contract
Signing a contract but not saying anything - the ungrateful bastard is jis=ust signing the contract as his move fell through
Telling fans how much he loved Villa after he left - the lying weasel bastard, why did he leave then

etc, etc

It was impossible for him to leave without a meltdown one way or another.  Whatever he did or said would have been picked over with a fine toothed comb and thrown back at him.

Its not the fact he's left, i think most of us have accepted he's gone and the reasons why, but the lack of respect being shown to our club, our manager and all those people who got him to where he now is. He desperately needs some decent PR as he's becoming deft at putting his foot in his mouth.
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Post by: RichardBatchelor on September 03, 2021, 02:37:26 PM
The whole affair is just very sad, really.
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Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 02:39:09 PM

Its not the fact he's left, i think most of us have accepted he's gone and the reasons why, but the lack of respect being shown to our club, our manager and all those people who got him to where he now is. He desperately needs some decent PR as he's becoming deft at putting his foot in his mouth.

Two things - he's thick as pigshit, and he doesn't care. This is the person who gave a speech about staying home to protect the NHS, then was filmed driving into parked cars whilst pissed shortly after. He's a twat whose behaviour we turned a blind eye to whilst he played for us.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 02:40:24 PM

Its not the fact he's left, i think most of us have accepted he's gone and the reasons why, but the lack of respect being shown to our club, our manager and all those people who got him to where he now is. He desperately needs some decent PR as he's becoming deft at putting his foot in his mouth.

Two things - he's thick as pigshit, and he doesn't care. This is the person who gave a speech about staying home to protect the NHS, then was filmed driving into parked cars whilst pissed shortly after. He's a twat whose behaviour we turned a blind eye to whilst he played for us.

And people are defending.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2021, 02:42:36 PM
Ah I dont think he's a bad lad, just ill advised and a bit naive.

And the clothes, fucking hell the clothes.
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Post by: AV82EC on September 03, 2021, 02:44:52 PM

Its not the fact he's left, i think most of us have accepted he's gone and the reasons why, but the lack of respect being shown to our club, our manager and all those people who got him to where he now is. He desperately needs some decent PR as he's becoming deft at putting his foot in his mouth.

Two things - he's thick as pigshit, and he doesn't care. This is the person who gave a speech about staying home to protect the NHS, then was filmed driving into parked cars whilst pissed shortly after. He's a twat whose behaviour we turned a blind eye to whilst he played for us.

Agree Risso.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 02:45:49 PM
The drink driving incident, any other player, any other club, we are hammering them. Could easily have been 100 times worse. The signs were always there, we chose to ignore them.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 03, 2021, 02:46:41 PM


 ...The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.


It does mean something. They don't play cl football (as well as Pickford) and they would be competition for each other if horseface wasn't so intent on playing dour boring football at the expense of the attacking intent he has at his disposal.
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Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
He's a bit of an idiot is what he is. And I don't suppose he's got too much of a mind of his own when it comes to matters, uh, cultural. Hence why he just couldn't imagine anything more obvious than to do what every FIFA-playing, merch-tragic, 'I support Manchester', football-flavoured content consuming Insta-moron on earth expected him to do.
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Post by: AV82EC on September 03, 2021, 02:49:36 PM
He's a bit of an idiot is what he is. And I don't suppose he's got too much of a mind of his own when it comes to matters, uh, cultural. Hence why he just couldn't imagine anything more obvious than to do what every FIFA-playing, merch-tragic, 'I support Manchester', football-flavoured content consuming Insta-moron on earth expected him to do.

Stands and applauds. Have stolen the "Insta-Moron" insult, superb.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
Southgate wasn't picking him for England, and now is, after three games for Man City and still no Champions League games. He may very well become a better player there but he isn't now any better than he was with us.

It stinks, we might as well all give up if everytime we get anyone decent with ambition they all feel they need to move to a ESL6 team to get to play for England.
Agreed.  He may have moved anyway but Southgate's approach must have played a part.

aye. makes you wonder what seeds he was planting in Kane's head too seeing he's such a pep fanboy.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 02:54:39 PM


 ...The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.


It does mean something. They don't play cl football (as well as Pickford) and they would be competition for each other if horseface wasn't so intent on playing dour boring football at the expense of the attacking intent he has at his disposal.

The point is other than Henderson there's nobody at 'Big 6' clubs really competing for their places.  That's not the case for Grealish, which is why he was finding it so hard to break into the team.

I don't for a minute think his game has elevated at Man City yet and yes Southgate may well have started him last night anyway.  But there's no doubt in my mind that being at Villa affected his minutes at the Euros.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 03, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
The huge thing missing was self awareness, nothing new there for a multi millionaire premier league footballer.
One of the reasons I believe Grealish ended up being so popular around the country, was not just his playing style, but his story, playing for his hometown club. He’s just another bit piece at Man City. But ratboy wouldn’t have a scooby about that. Also no awareness of the offensiveness to Villa. As others have said, it’s not the fact he’s now left, but that interview was arrogant and dreadful.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 03:14:43 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.

No its not, it's a good article that sums the situation, and Ratboy, up perfectly well.
It's not and it doesn't.  It panders to a section of the support.  I wouldn't have had you pegged as one of them tbh.

Ratboy has been absolutely disrespectful of the club, manager, players and fans since he left. That interview with ITV did him no favours. And frankly if he thinks we'll all wish him well it shows just how out of touch he is. He can fuck off.

The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 03:15:49 PM
He's just not advised very well is he? In circumstances like this you just keep your mouth shut. It's easy. Don't do an interview because you won't come out of it well, and certainly don't reply to some Evening Mail journo

Do the interview but when you do it don't forget that the club you spent 19 years at was integral to you becoming a £100m player. I think that's the problem Preece and many others have with what he said asnd, more importantly, how it was said, it felt a lot like "If i wasn't a fan I'd have left you bunch of losers ages ago and now I have people around me worthy of my talent". I know I'm overplaying it but it comes across as pretty clear that he's thinking along those lines and can't see why anyone has a problem with it.

Exactly Paul. It's hugely disrespectful to his former club and team mates, and he needs telling, the horrible little chav. He's played four games for his new club, and lost two of them, the other two being absolute gimmes against the two worst clubs in the division at the time, but all of a sudden his play is suddenly elevated to a whole new level? Absolute fucking cobblers.

Quite
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 03, 2021, 03:20:59 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 03:21:02 PM
Oh god don't start with the moral high ground for a bloke that calculated how to leave us while giving it the big one of you routine. He's a shit bag, and not with defending.
There is no way he could have played his exit that would have left you happy.

Not signinging a contract - the ungrateful bastard is running down his contract
Signing a contract but not saying anything - the ungrateful bastard is jis=ust signing the contract as his move fell through
Telling fans how much he loved Villa after he left - the lying weasel bastard, why did he leave then

etc, etc

It was impossible for him to leave without a meltdown one way or another.  Whatever he did or said would have been picked over with a fine toothed comb and thrown back at him.

 Are you happy with him, how he's behaved and what he's said?

The best way for him to go would have been to have formally put in a transfer request and stated he couldn't wait to play Champions League football, how he was sorry that may leave us in the lurch but hopefully the fee received would allow the Villa to sign decent replacements and qualify and go on to future success.

Instead he went the backdoor route, pretended he wanted to stay and was snidey before declaring how much better everything is at his new club. Within a fortnight. And all that from someone who declares himself as a lifelong Villa fan. Then again, I've seen Villa fans punch each other before, so I suppose this is no different; they're all dicks.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 03:22:01 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

Ooh I'm extreme! Cool!

Highly strung? Excuse me for being pissed off. I'm glad you're so chilled about everything.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
A transer request used to mean that you wouldn't be due a loyalty bonus, surely you cant have a release clause in your contract and be due a loyalty bonus if its activated?
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Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 03:28:55 PM
If I wanted to be particularly calm and rational I'd hardly be a fan of a club to the extent of posting the however many thousands of times I have on this forum. Rationality is great when asking the club to plan its signings, its future, its play; it's not for us, however, because being a massive fan isn't particularly rational to begin with.

As a result, I can perfectly well understand why Grealish left, and be pissed off with him at the same time. He stays, he's a legend - he leaves, especially for a club that soulless and depressing for everyone else, he gets booed. Them's the breaks, and football wouldn't be the same otherwise.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 03:33:24 PM
A transer request used to mean that you wouldn't be due a loyalty bonus, surely you cant have a release clause in your contract and be due a loyalty bonus if its activated?

Hmmm, perhaps you're right.
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Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 03:40:32 PM
If I wanted to be particularly calm and rational I'd hardly be a fan of a club to the extent of posting the however many thousands of times I have on this forum. Rationality is great when asking the club to plan its signings, its future, its play; it's not for us, however, because being a massive fan isn't particularly rational to begin with.

As a result, I can perfectly well understand why Grealish left, and be pissed off with him at the same time. He stays, he's a legend - he leaves, especially for a club that soulless and depressing for everyone else, he gets booed. Them's the breaks, and football wouldn't be the same otherwise.

Quality summing up.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 03, 2021, 03:41:00 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

I don’t think it’s extreme or highly strung to either be pissed off with him for leaving or last nights interview. Personally I was really pissed off he left for all the reasons stated, but after a few weeks in the cold light of day, I can say many of us, myself included romanticised the thing and took our rational heads off, in terms of what most top footballers do these days, e.g. take the mercenary route.

However, his interview did rile me last night, there is no need to be that arrogant or show a total lack of humility, or acknowledgement of where’s he come from. I really don’t think that’s an extreme reaction.
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Post by: Vegas on September 03, 2021, 03:52:35 PM
I’m quite highly strung on this one too.

1) Southgate. The smug arrogance of not starting Grealish in the summer, but starting him now “because he’s gone up a level or two”. This is on him, not Grealish, but it has really fucked me off.

2) Grealish leaving. Call me an old romantic, or stupid and naïve, but I kind of believed the story of local kid becoming a star, and against all the prevailing wisdom staying with us through relegation, promotion, Europe … But he left. Can’t really blame him, but my romantic dreams were shattered, and yes, I’m fucked off about it too.

3) Grealish post-leaving. What an absolute disgrace. After all the years, ups and downs, a 4 sentence goodbye and a video montage of him being awesome??? Look at Deeney, look at Hourihane, look at Leon Bailey. And they never claimed to be living the dream at their city, their club. Look at the disrespect for “best mates” SJM and Tyrone, “now I’m finally playing with proper players” kind of attitude.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 03, 2021, 04:08:11 PM
The drink driving incident, any other player, any other club, we are hammering them. Could easily have been 100 times worse. The signs were always there, we chose to ignore them.

In any other job he'd have been sacked and quite likely gone to prison.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 03, 2021, 04:14:16 PM
The drink driving incident, any other player, any other club, we are hammering them. Could easily have been 100 times worse. The signs were always there, we chose to ignore them.

In any other job he'd have been sacked and quite likely gone to prison.
agreed - I'd have had the sack.
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Post by: supertom on September 03, 2021, 04:15:30 PM
It has struck me that there's been a degree of arrogance in how Jack has spoken about himself. I grant you in a game that features the likes of Ibra, Ronaldo and Messi, the best players do need that, but at the same time, our first season back he got off to a slow start before becoming hands down our key player. Then last season he missed 10 games, and never got back in the swing again. He had impressive stats for a 13-14 month stretch (at a level that matters). That's a season and a bit at the top level of hitting the levels he should expect (at 25). Such is football and the market that he's gone for 100 million, but he's now got to prove just whether or not he can become a worldy. He's got to earn that price tag now and step up, because essentially he's the most naturally gifted football England has, and it's now down to him to prove it on the stages he's lusted after.

Do I want him to prove himself as the player we all thought he was/could be? Not really.
Would have have him back in 3-4 years with tail between his legs if it hasn't quite panned out? Probably.
Will he become one of the best in the league over the next few years? Maybe (but he can't believe his own hype or get distracted by hanger on mates).

I know people laud Gazza, but he achieved about half of what he was capable of given his talent. Going off and playing at shit like Rangers and Boro when other players his age were still peaking? And Jack's still got a long way to go to match Gazza for on pitch output. He's benefitted from the fresh 100 mill signing luxury of getting starts but at some juncture he'll need to be upping his game a lot, because there's a wealth of talent at City. Sterling might be a forgotten man somewhat but you'd fancy him to score more.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 03, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
Grealish can fuck off and go play on the M6 with Southgate - disrespectful morons.
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Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 04:37:55 PM
Obviously my thought process is very different to that of professional footballers, but I struggle to understand why so many of them care so much about England. I'd rather have my balls waxed by Abu Hamza than get involved in the horse shit of international football.

And that's not a national identity thing, because if I were a cricketer I'd absolutely want to play for England above anything else.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 04:39:57 PM
Obviously my thought process is very different to that of professional footballers, but I struggle to understand why so many of them care so much about England. I'd rather have my balls waxed by Abu Hamza than get involved in the horse shit of international football.

And that's not a national identity thing, because if I were a cricketer I'd absolutely want to play for England above anything else.

I think as a player it's different. It's supposedly the pinnacle. As fans it's shit, there are friendlies galore, whereas in cricket there's no such thing.

Even rugby is different a bit these days as there are so many internationals.
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Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 04:48:11 PM
Obviously my thought process is very different to that of professional footballers, but I struggle to understand why so many of them care so much about England. I'd rather have my balls waxed by Abu Hamza than get involved in the horse shit of international football.

And that's not a national identity thing, because if I were a cricketer I'd absolutely want to play for England above anything else.

I think as a player it's different. It's supposedly the pinnacle.

I know what you mean, but how much of that is media hype? For every Euros final or World Cup semi-final, there are ten qualifying games against Latvia or Jamaica, and five friendlies against New Zealand or something.

Same with the Champions League. The media focus is on the San Siro, the Bernabeu. But most CL games are played in the Letzigrund stadium or the Polish Army Stadium.

They play against better quality most weeks in the PL.
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Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 04:55:52 PM

They play against better quality most weeks in the PL.

I think it's just in a footballer's mindset that international football is the peak. You're getting chosen from all available players of a certain nationality, and as long as you're not Scottish you get to play at a major tournament every couple of years.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 03, 2021, 05:01:29 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 03, 2021, 05:02:23 PM
Obviously my thought process is very different to that of professional footballers, but I struggle to understand why so many of them care so much about England. I'd rather have my balls waxed by Abu Hamza than get involved in the horse shit of international football.

And that's not a national identity thing, because if I were a cricketer I'd absolutely want to play for England above anything else.

I think as a player it's different. It's supposedly the pinnacle.

Surely the pinnacle would be playing for one of the better countries that have a realistic chance of winning something. As a Germanic nation, I'm surprised more players don't try and find a long lost Saxon relative.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 05:11:13 PM

They play against better quality most weeks in the PL.

as long as you're not Scottish you get to play at a major tournament every couple of years.

Or Irish.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 05:15:40 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but if I were paid the same amount for each, I'd rather score once in front of the Holte End than score 100 times for England/Ireland/anybody else I may qualify to play for.

I know it isn't a simple either/or, and there are lots of things to consider, but for me, that's what football is all about.
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Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 05:18:34 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

That's different because it's the Villa. ;-)



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but if I were paid the same amount for each, I'd rather score once in front of the Holte End than score 100 times for England/Ireland/anybody else I may qualify to play for.

I know it isn't a simple either/or, and there are lots of things to consider, but for me, that's what football is all about.

I agree with you, but most players don't play for their boyhood club though.
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Post by: LeonW on September 03, 2021, 05:29:37 PM
This nonsense about 'not understanding what goes on in the real football world' seems to be the modern catch all for "I don't want to explain the reality further, because it will make me look bad." It's idiotic on Joe's part to say Tweet that after the interview he gave. If he's trying to control the perception of his leaving he's failing badly and just making it worse each time he opens his mouth. I suspect he's going to understand exactly what 'goes on in the real football world' the first game back he plays at VP.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 05:36:44 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but if I were paid the same amount for each, I'd rather score once in front of the Holte End than score 100 times for England/Ireland/anybody else I may qualify to play for.

I know it isn't a simple either/or, and there are lots of things to consider, but for me, that's what football is all about.

I agree with you, but most players don't play for their boyhood club though.

Nope, true so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on September 03, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
The drink driving incident, any other player, any other club, we are hammering them. Could easily have been 100 times worse. The signs were always there, we chose to ignore them.

In any other job he'd have been sacked and quite likely gone to prison.

Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but I think he was done for reckless driving, not a drink-driving related offence, so unlikely he’d have gone to prison whatever his profession.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on September 03, 2021, 05:48:03 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

Feel you have been on a wind up since the Rat walked out on us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 03, 2021, 05:58:23 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but if I were paid the same amount for each, I'd rather score once in front of the Holte End than score 100 times for England/Ireland/anybody else I may qualify to play for.

I know it isn't a simple either/or, and there are lots of things to consider, but for me, that's what football is all about.

I agree with you, but most players don't play for their boyhood club though.

Nope, true so.
It’s Risso. ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on September 03, 2021, 05:58:36 PM
Of course it was possible. Handle it with some class and dignity. Don't spend a season saying one thing after signing a new deal while ferreting about with the billion pound messiah behind the scenes to get your move. Was he actually injured for 4 months last season? Amazing he got back for the last 2 games to make the England squad. He could have done a number of things to make it less distasteful.

Hourihane showed how it's done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rory on September 03, 2021, 06:00:45 PM
It might not be the same thing but I interviewed almost all of the Legendary 14 and asked if they'd prefer the medals they won to even one cap. Every one went for the medals.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but if I were paid the same amount for each, I'd rather score once in front of the Holte End than score 100 times for England/Ireland/anybody else I may qualify to play for.

I know it isn't a simple either/or, and there are lots of things to consider, but for me, that's what football is all about.

I agree with you, but most players don't play for their boyhood club though.

Nope, true so.
It’s Risso. ;)

Haha, thanks Ian so
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

Feel you have been on a wind up since the Rat walked out on us.

Brothers! Brothers! We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: algy on September 03, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

Feel you have been on a wind up since the Rat walked out on us.

Brothers! Brothers! We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!
The Steve Hodge Front?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 07:39:05 PM
Bruce was a cabbage. Delph was snakes. Who's smuggling in 5000 live rats? I would suggest some frozen ones (we have all sorts of sizes in the freezer for the very real snakes we keep) but they might cause injury.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 03, 2021, 07:41:28 PM
He won't be there.
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Post by: LeonW on September 03, 2021, 08:02:00 PM
He won't be there.

Reckon he’ll bottle it? He does like the limelight
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 03, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Nah, think it will be opposite. Get the feeling he'll score infront of the Holte end. Interesting to see the general reaction from both sides if that happens.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 03, 2021, 08:38:26 PM
I won't go as far as predicting he'll score but he will definitely at some point over the next six years win a dodgy penalty against us
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 03, 2021, 08:48:46 PM
The section of support that you'd describe how exactly?
I guess the more exteme / highly strung?

Feel you have been on a wind up since the Rat walked out on us.

Brothers! Brothers! We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy!
The Steve Hodge Front?


pah splitters
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 03, 2021, 08:50:04 PM
I won't go as far as predicting he'll score but he will definitely at some point over the next six years win a dodgy penalty against us

Who? Ashley Young!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 03, 2021, 09:32:55 PM
I won't go as far as predicting he'll score but he will definitely at some point over the next six years win a dodgy penalty against us

Yeah will probably happen which would be ironic given he was constantly most fouled player in league yet can't recall him winning a penalty for us bar that West Brom one in play offs. Certainly not in prem.

Pep will certainly educate him on being fouled in right areas anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
It's a shit article by a truly shit reporter.  Birmingham Mail / Live are an absolute joke rag.

The reality is Southgate wasn't picking Grealish.  The Phillips and Rice examples mean nothing - there isn't the same level of competition in those positions.

I recall saying at the time it would probably cost us our captain and it did.

I think it’s alright. Preece and his bosses will be buzzing that Ratboy has tweeted about it - his ego is more delicate than his shins now it seems.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: brontebilly on September 03, 2021, 11:14:38 PM
I think Preece has switched his professional journalism off there and has written that piece as a fan.

Given Grealish's response, his profile as a journalist is probably at an all time high. He must be delighted! Definitely owes Grealish one
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Post by: Rory on September 04, 2021, 12:52:31 AM
Is Preece the Villa reporter at the Birmingham Mail? I haven't read it in years, since the days of Howells (?) and Tatum (?). I can see the faces but not spell the names.

Incidenyally, I can't remember if it was on here or Villa Talk (sorry) when somebody, 15-odd years ago, said Tatum looked like 'somebody has drawn a face on an egg, brought that face to life with voodoo magic, and made it drink vinegar'. Which tickled me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LukeJames on September 04, 2021, 07:26:52 AM
I won't go as far as predicting he'll score but he will definitely at some point over the next six years win a dodgy penalty against us

Yeah will probably happen which would be ironic given he was constantly most fouled player in league yet can't recall him winning a penalty for us bar that West Brom one in play offs. Certainly not in prem.

Got one at Albion last season aswell, I cant remember any others though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 04, 2021, 07:27:59 AM
Biggest penalty was that one he got on the M42.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: TelfordVilla on September 04, 2021, 08:50:26 AM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.
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Post by: JD on September 04, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
I’m quite highly strung on this one too.

1) Southgate. The smug arrogance of not starting Grealish in the summer, but starting him now “because he’s gone up a level or two”. This is on him, not Grealish, but it has really fucked me off.

2) Grealish leaving. Call me an old romantic, or stupid and naïve, but I kind of believed the story of local kid becoming a star, and against all the prevailing wisdom staying with us through relegation, promotion, Europe … But he left. Can’t really blame him, but my romantic dreams were shattered, and yes, I’m fucked off about it too.

3) Grealish post-leaving. What an absolute disgrace. After all the years, ups and downs, a 4 sentence goodbye and a video montage of him being awesome??? Look at Deeney, look at Hourihane, look at Leon Bailey. And they never claimed to be living the dream at their city, their club. Look at the disrespect for “best mates” SJM and Tyrone, “now I’m finally playing with proper players” kind of attitude.

Great post Vegas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Mister E on September 04, 2021, 09:48:00 AM
Medals over legend-status.
He'll come to realise in his 30's - 40's what a total tit he has been.
Is all.
Move on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on September 04, 2021, 10:30:11 AM
or maybe not? There are always opposing views.
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Post by: Damo70 on September 04, 2021, 10:42:00 AM
Medals over legend-status.
He'll come to realise in his 30's - 40's what a total tit he has been.
Is all.
Move on.

Yes move on and forget and ignore him as much as possible. A few posters on here are acting like they have been dumped by their girlfriend/partner and just can't get over it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 04, 2021, 12:07:11 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.


I think there's a bit more significance to it than bitter fans losing a favourite player. Many have said it including me, that if he'd said i'm off in May, people could have seen the logic,even if they wouldn't have have been overjoyed. The fact that he put us through that will-he won't-he pantomime all during the summer when he had no intention of ever staying is the main annoyance for me.

It's the trend or way of thinking that fans are just customers now. You saw it with the ESL when we were expected to lump it whether you were a non-ESL team or a supporter of them. That it collapsed when the "legacy fans" rebelled was very significant. This is similar where the Villa customers are supposed to be grateful that someone worked for them for a number of years and wish him well with his new customer base. Ignore his public utterances of loyalty because that's "how it works" even if he claims its his club..

Well no thanks, I'm not a customer. I hope he gets pelters every time he comes back, to the point where if  he someone manages to play into his 30's he wouldn't even consider coming back to "his" club because those bridges are well and truly burned. Not bitter or small-time, just setting a line in the sand.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 04, 2021, 12:25:38 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.

If it was Small Heath they'd be fawning over his every pass and trying to get one of their few remaining stands named after him.

Bitterness and bile is part of football. There is nothing wrong with holding a grudge against someone who claimed to be a lifelong fan and fucked off at the first chance of winning easy trinkets in cheat mode.

Plus, there has just been an article about him in the local paper referencing comments said player has made inferring his feelings about the club. Hardly that surprising it would get a mention on a Villa forum.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 04, 2021, 12:27:26 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.


I think there's a bit more significance to it than bitter fans losing a favourite player. Many have said it including me, that if he'd said i'm off in May, people could have seen the logic,even if they wouldn't have have been overjoyed. The fact that he put us through that will-he won't-he pantomime all during the summer when he had no intention of ever staying is the main annoyance for me.

It's the trend or way of thinking that fans are just customers now. You saw it with the ESL when we were expected to lump it whether you were a non-ESL team or a supporter of them. That it collapsed when the "legacy fans" rebelled was very significant. This is similar where the Villa customers are supposed to be grateful that someone worked for them for a number of years and wish him well with his new customer base. Ignore his public utterances of loyalty because that's "how it works" even if he claims its his club..

Well no thanks, I'm not a customer. I hope he gets pelters every time he comes back, to the point where if  he someone manages to play into his 30's he wouldn't even consider coming back to "his" club because those bridges are well and truly burned. Not bitter or small-time, just setting a line in the sand.

How could he say I’m off in May if there wasn’t a bid made of 100 million
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 04, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.


I think there's a bit more significance to it than bitter fans losing a favourite player. Many have said it including me, that if he'd said i'm off in May, people could have seen the logic,even if they wouldn't have have been overjoyed. The fact that he put us through that will-he won't-he pantomime all during the summer when he had no intention of ever staying is the main annoyance for me.

It's the trend or way of thinking that fans are just customers now. You saw it with the ESL when we were expected to lump it whether you were a non-ESL team or a supporter of them. That it collapsed when the "legacy fans" rebelled was very significant. This is similar where the Villa customers are supposed to be grateful that someone worked for them for a number of years and wish him well with his new customer base. Ignore his public utterances of loyalty because that's "how it works" even if he claims its his club..

Well no thanks, I'm not a customer. I hope he gets pelters every time he comes back, to the point where if  he someone manages to play into his 30's he wouldn't even consider coming back to "his" club because those bridges are well and truly burned. Not bitter or small-time, just setting a line in the sand.

How could he say I’m off in May if there wasn’t a bid made of 100 million

The same way Kane didn't know Man City were bidding for him but made his intention to leave clear. i.e. both Grealish and Kane knew that City were bidding for them probably 6 months before May.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: London Villan on September 04, 2021, 12:35:18 PM
If he was desperate to leave and felt we were below him he could have handed in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 04, 2021, 12:39:21 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.


I think there's a bit more significance to it than bitter fans losing a favourite player. Many have said it including me, that if he'd said i'm off in May, people could have seen the logic,even if they wouldn't have have been overjoyed. The fact that he put us through that will-he won't-he pantomime all during the summer when he had no intention of ever staying is the main annoyance for me.

It's the trend or way of thinking that fans are just customers now. You saw it with the ESL when we were expected to lump it whether you were a non-ESL team or a supporter of them. That it collapsed when the "legacy fans" rebelled was very significant. This is similar where the Villa customers are supposed to be grateful that someone worked for them for a number of years and wish him well with his new customer base. Ignore his public utterances of loyalty because that's "how it works" even if he claims its his club..

Well no thanks, I'm not a customer. I hope he gets pelters every time he comes back, to the point where if  he someone manages to play into his 30's he wouldn't even consider coming back to "his" club because those bridges are well and truly burned. Not bitter or small-time, just setting a line in the sand.

How could he say I’m off in May if there wasn’t a bid made of 100 million

The same way Kane didn't know Man City were bidding for him but made his intention to leave clear. i.e. both Grealish and Kane knew that City were bidding for them probably 6 months before May.

Ha ha yeah that’s the way to do it
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Post by: LukeJames on September 04, 2021, 12:39:29 PM
If he was desperate to leave and felt we were below him he could have handed in a transfer request.

And miss out on his 'loyalty' bonus.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 04, 2021, 12:40:45 PM
Why are we still talking about a man city player. Should we not just ignore it now and focus on our own team. It's a bit small heath dont you think.


I think there's a bit more significance to it than bitter fans losing a favourite player. Many have said it including me, that if he'd said i'm off in May, people could have seen the logic,even if they wouldn't have have been overjoyed. The fact that he put us through that will-he won't-he pantomime all during the summer when he had no intention of ever staying is the main annoyance for me.

It's the trend or way of thinking that fans are just customers now. You saw it with the ESL when we were expected to lump it whether you were a non-ESL team or a supporter of them. That it collapsed when the "legacy fans" rebelled was very significant. This is similar where the Villa customers are supposed to be grateful that someone worked for them for a number of years and wish him well with his new customer base. Ignore his public utterances of loyalty because that's "how it works" even if he claims its his club..

Well no thanks, I'm not a customer. I hope he gets pelters every time he comes back, to the point where if  he someone manages to play into his 30's he wouldn't even consider coming back to "his" club because those bridges are well and truly burned. Not bitter or small-time, just setting a line in the sand.

How could he say I’m off in May if there wasn’t a bid made of 100 million

The same way Kane didn't know Man City were bidding for him but made his intention to leave clear. i.e. both Grealish and Kane knew that City were bidding for them probably 6 months before May.

Ha ha yeah that’s the way to do it

only difference is Kane didn't have a clause which Levy had to honour. They both knew City wanted them months before. City knew what money it would take to get ratboy probably 12 months ago, otherwise it was a fecking good guess ::) He knew he was gone in May. probably earlier. All he had to do was say he wanted to move on if an offer came in.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 04, 2021, 12:50:26 PM
Been away. Have I missed anything?
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 04, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
In danger of going over old ground here, but now with the benefit of hindsight and the removal of rose tinted specs, it seems fairly clear now, there was no serious offer last summer, or he’d of gone then. He signed the ‘my city my club’ contract and very smugly said in his interview on Wednesday he was confident that 100 mill would be met. We’ll never know but Man City may have been sniffing for months with his agent.
He was never going to stay. The main issue I have is the feeling of being duped and sucker punched by the PR nonsense, I’m far too old to let this happen really and I did have a nagging voice in my head last summer saying no one may have made a bid. Nevertheless, he could of signed the contract and said he was delighted and left it at that, instead all the crap of believing in the project, my city, my club, from him, feels like he just played us, or treated us a sick begger says as customers/consumers.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have thread pre occupied after his interview. At the same time I personally want to move on and forget about him to be honest and concentrate on our current players.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 04, 2021, 01:03:51 PM
Been away. Have I missed anything?
We've signed a DM.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 04, 2021, 01:26:52 PM
He was never going to stay. The main issue I have is the feeling of being duped and sucker punched by the PR nonsense,

Same here, the leaks from 'his camp' that he was going to sign a new contract was, looking back, just a ruse to squeeze even more money out of Man City for his contract. A perfectly reasonable bargaining position to take /or a really, really shabby way to treat the Villa fans who adored him. Take your pick depending on whether 'you understand football' or not.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on September 04, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
Look at what he's lost. Never be a legend at any club now, it appears that he has lost his social group, people who always had his back, and looked by most supporters as someone who sold out for a few medals. When his career is finished he may have medals to stick in a cabinet and a few more million in the bank. but he will reflect that he could have been a great club legend. He will never be one of us again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 04, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
It's does make you wonder whether city approached him last summer and basically said sign the new deal, make sure you insert a release clause, we're prepared to go to X for you and we'll conduct back for you next summer. Knowing this is in place he then wants to protect the move by essentially taking thr last 3 months of the season off. At villa's expense of course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 04, 2021, 01:59:20 PM
Bit harsh saying he f***ed off at the first chance.

When you look at it he was probably one game away from leaving us in 2018 (Spurs looked done even with them low balling us until new ownership came in), 2019 play offs if we'd lost he'd have gone and same with West Ham on the final day but he played very well on both occasions and club got what it needed.

It's disappointing but to me Delph leaving was far more annoying given how that panned out even if he didn't define the club as much as you know who.

Still it's all done now and I agree we can't keep going on about it during the season as it won't help us on the pitch. I also still have the feeling he'll play for us again aswell. I mean Young is back and apparently Barry wanted to return here in 2013 instead of going to Everton and he didn't leave on best of terms either so given the odd way football operates it wouldn't shock me in 3-4 years.
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Post by: Monty on September 04, 2021, 02:04:07 PM
Bit harsh saying he f***ed off at the first chance.

How? Who did he turn down?
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Post by: Ads on September 04, 2021, 02:20:57 PM
He would have gone to Spurs, he would certainly have gone to Yanited if they'd got the cash and he went to the Human Rights abusing, plastic souless exhibition centre, sport washing, character vacuum that is Man City at the first flash of a skirt. And it wouldnhave been an inconvenience apparently to stay. The disrespectful arrogant little ******.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 04, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
As soon as somebody made a transfer bid that wasn't laughably low, he left. He could always have turned Man City down if he was a genuine Villa fan more interested in becoming an all-time great than a part-time asset for oil and extremism.

Saying he fucked off at the first opportunity is entirely fair and accurate.

Edit: I see Ads has already made the same point. Getting sick of this agreeing all the time 😨
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Post by: malckennedy on September 04, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
He would have gone to Spurs, he would certainly have gone to Yanited if they'd got the cash and he went to the Human Rights abusing, plastic souless exhibition centre, sport washing, character vacuum that is Man City at the first flash of a skirt. And it wouldnhave been an inconvenience apparently to stay. The disrespectful arrogant little ******.

Well put.
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Post by: john e on September 04, 2021, 04:32:03 PM
Anyway it’s his own fault left for Medals and glory
all that time he’s been there he’s still won fuck all
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2021, 04:48:58 PM
Wish Gustavo had signed for us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/3102634.stm
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 04, 2021, 04:58:18 PM
Wish Gustavo had signed for us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/3102634.stm


Did he buy anyone ?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 04, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
Bit harsh saying he f***ed off at the first chance.

How? Who did he turn down?

I mean he thought he was off to Spurs didn't he in 2018, clubs just had to agree a fee and that eventually would've happened if Dr Fraud had stayed in charge for another few weeks. We took him off v Hull in that first game with 10 minutes left just to give him farewell ovation

There you go:

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/transfers/grealish-i-was-95-per-cent-sure-i-was-joining-spurs/

Then in summers 2019 and 2020 we'd have had no choice but to sell him to someone (probably for knock down fee) if results in final games hadn't gone for us as in 2018 but he stood up tall in those games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: LeonW on September 04, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
From being in sulk over not moving to Spudz, to the driving/drink issue, returning for 2 games before the euro’s started to boast his profile with England and be rested. Using the club as a branding platform with the ‘my club, my city’ nonsense. Wanting to have his friends play in the same team. Not handing in a transfer request at the start of the summer so he could play both sides if a move didn’t happen and likely claim a ‘loyalty’ bonus either way. Dragging the club through the mire all summer making it difficult to plan team building through to his latest interview with Clarke and the response to the Preece piece. When has Joe every treated ‘his’ club with any respect or consideration whatsoever?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 04, 2021, 07:27:42 PM
From being in sulk over not moving to Spudz, to the driving/drink issue, returning for 2 games before the euro’s started to boast his profile with England and be rested. Using the club as a branding platform with the ‘my club, my city’ nonsense. Wanting to have his friends play in the same team. Not handing in a transfer request at the start of the summer so he could play both sides if a move didn’t happen and likely claim a ‘loyalty’ bonus either way. Dragging the club through the mire all summer making it difficult to plan team building through to his latest interview with Clarke and the response to the Preece piece. When has Joe every treated ‘his’ club with any respect or consideration whatsoever?




He hasn't
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 04, 2021, 07:29:22 PM
Wish Gustavo had signed for us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/3102634.stm





Come on now. Doug wouldn't stand for Villa really kicking on after he left would he?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 04, 2021, 10:56:17 PM
Bit harsh saying he f***ed off at the first chance.

How? Who did he turn down?

I mean he thought he was off to Spurs didn't he in 2018, clubs just had to agree a fee and that eventually would've happened if Dr Fraud had stayed in charge for another few weeks. We took him off v Hull in that first game with 10 minutes left just to give him farewell ovation

There you go:

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/transfers/grealish-i-was-95-per-cent-sure-i-was-joining-spurs/

Then in summers 2019 and 2020 we'd have had no choice but to sell him to someone (probably for knock down fee) if results in final games hadn't gone for us as in 2018 but he stood up tall in those games.

So he was going at the first chance but we said no. And then he tried last season and we said no. Then he held us over a barrel to get a clause to go this summer. Rat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Monty on September 04, 2021, 11:18:08 PM
Bit harsh saying he f***ed off at the first chance.

How? Who did he turn down?

I mean he thought he was off to Spurs didn't he in 2018, clubs just had to agree a fee and that eventually would've happened if Dr Fraud had stayed in charge for another few weeks. We took him off v Hull in that first game with 10 minutes left just to give him farewell ovation

There you go:

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/transfers/grealish-i-was-95-per-cent-sure-i-was-joining-spurs/

Then in summers 2019 and 2020 we'd have had no choice but to sell him to someone (probably for knock down fee) if results in final games hadn't gone for us as in 2018 but he stood up tall in those games.

So he was going at the first chance but we said no. And then he tried last season and we said no. Then he held us over a barrel to get a clause to go this summer. Rat.

Exactly. This somewhat strengthens the case for the 'fucked off asap' theory, rather than weakening it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Villan82 on September 04, 2021, 11:28:49 PM
It's does make you wonder whether city approached him last summer and basically said sign the new deal, make sure you insert a release clause, we're prepared to go to X for you and we'll conduct back for you next summer. Knowing this is in place he then wants to protect the move by essentially taking thr last 3 months of the season off. At villa's expense of course.

That time he was 'injured', he could not have looked more disinterested in our games. Total rat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldenballs on September 05, 2021, 09:14:17 AM
Look at what he's lost. Never be a legend at any club now, it appears that he has lost his social group, people who always had his back, and looked by most supporters as someone who sold out for a few medals. When his career is finished he may have medals to stick in a cabinet and a few more million in the bank. but he will reflect that he could have been a great club legend. He will never be one of us again.

I really don't think he'll care about any of that, he's thick as pig shit and incapable of thinking any deeper than "ooh shiny things"

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ozzjim on September 05, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
Look at what he's lost. Never be a legend at any club now, it appears that he has lost his social group, people who always had his back, and looked by most supporters as someone who sold out for a few medals. When his career is finished he may have medals to stick in a cabinet and a few more million in the bank. but he will reflect that he could have been a great club legend. He will never be one of us again.

I really don't think he'll care about any of that, he's thick as pig shit and incapable of thinking any deeper than "ooh shiny things"



Sadly, this is spot on. He's a full on jack the lad, love Island type.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 05, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
I see the Sun is claiming we're still trying to  buy/loan Mckennie in January but wouldn't take him on loan this summer because we wouldn't accept a loan to buy commitment. Buh?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 05, 2021, 09:41:50 AM
Mail are linking us with Leroy Sane, in a 'pick a random name out of thin air' type of way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 05, 2021, 10:10:21 AM
Very random. Why would he come to us?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 05, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
Look at what he's lost. Never be a legend at any club now, it appears that he has lost his social group, people who always had his back, and looked by most supporters as someone who sold out for a few medals. When his career is finished he may have medals to stick in a cabinet and a few more million in the bank. but he will reflect that he could have been a great club legend. He will never be one of us again.

I really don't think he'll care about any of that, he's thick as pig shit and incapable of thinking any deeper than "ooh shiny things"






So what you're saying is he's basically the Midlands version of Dory from finding nemo?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Goldenballs on September 05, 2021, 11:30:20 AM
Haha yeah pretty much. But not as intelligent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 11:39:47 AM
Look at what he's lost. Never be a legend at any club now, it appears that he has lost his social group, people who always had his back, and looked by most supporters as someone who sold out for a few medals. When his career is finished he may have medals to stick in a cabinet and a few more million in the bank. but he will reflect that he could have been a great club legend. He will never be one of us again.

I really don't think he'll care about any of that, he's thick as pig shit and incapable of thinking any deeper than "ooh shiny things"






So what you're saying is he's basically the Midlands version of Dory from finding nemo?

Very harsh on Dory to compare him with Joe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 05, 2021, 12:51:31 PM
I’ve no problem with him going considering he’s played a massive part over the past 3-4 years getting us back to something like where we think that we should be, he’s fetched £100m in transfer fee and it was the League champions (albeit wanky ones that have completely bought their success). Compare him to some of the ****** that ditched us in the past. I’m more pissed off that the club haven’t really matched their supposed ambition in the transfer market after he left and mouthgate picking him for the first game after his move after barely using him at the euros looks very cuntish on the face if it. I think that Preece guy is a shit stirring wanker trying to get himself some attention, although I will agree that Grealish did look rather smug in that interview last week. As some have pointed out though he’s not the sharpest tool in the box and people like that don’t usually wear their success in a very humble way, that goes for all walks of life.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on September 05, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
But that's just the point, he comes over as a bloke who's a bit thick with one great talent. Thats why he needed  people with better judgement around him. Sod it lets move on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Rigadon on September 05, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
I’ve no problem with him going considering he’s played a massive part over the past 3-4 years getting us back to something like where we think that we should be, he’s fetched £100m in transfer fee and it was the League champions (albeit wanky ones that have completely bought their success). Compare him to some of the ****** that ditched us in the past. I’m more pissed off that the club haven’t really matched their supposed ambition in the transfer market after he left and mouthgate picking him for the first game after his move after barely using him at the euros looks very cuntish on the face if it. I think that Preece guy is a shit stirring wanker trying to get himself some attention, although I will agree that Grealish did look rather smug in that interview last week. As some have pointed out though he’s not the sharpest tool in the box and people like that don’t usually wear their success in a very humble way, that goes for all walks of life.

I'm in almost the same boat, Clark.  Players move on, even (it's now clear) ones that are super fans.  Right / wrongly I am more worried about our response to him leaving - that may be unfair on the club, but they have set the bar high with rhetoric about Europe and that aint happening this year.

The starting for England now he's at Man City was completely to script, so doesn't irk me as much.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on September 05, 2021, 03:48:33 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dekko on September 05, 2021, 04:20:25 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.

If thats the post I saw earlier im 99% sure its a joke
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 05, 2021, 04:23:20 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.
Bickster? :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 05, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
There’s certainly a pretty high bell end ratio from what I’ve seen over on VT so I’d take with a pinch of salt but it certainly looks like the brakes have been put on at the moment so it might explain that. Would be odd though considering he’s only been with us 3 years and we’ve developed a lot in that time. And surely he wouldn’t have been put off just by Grealish wanting to move on?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 05:27:06 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

Randy Lerner gave up completely once MON had gone, so you’d hope lightning wouldn’t strike us twice.

Hopefully all bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 05, 2021, 05:31:04 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

I cannot tell if you’re joking.  I’m as certain that i can be that a very rich bloke in America would not invest £100s of millions based on the possible success of a young brummie lad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: gpbarr on September 05, 2021, 05:37:23 PM
Blimey - are we still talking about Grealish?!?

Time to move on lads - it’s history. No one cares about him anymore, he’s not one of us. Let’s talk about our players and our club
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 05, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

The Grealish who'd played two half-seasons in the Championship and even his own supporters were doubting? That Grealish?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 06:18:17 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

I cannot tell if you’re joking.  I’m as certain that i can be that a very rich bloke in America would not invest £100s of millions based on the possible success of a young brummie lad.


Nope, not joking. As far as I can tell, his sole foray into sports prior to us is his investment in the Bucks, but primarily in Giannis. I think he saw a similar opportunity to follow the same strategy here with him.

Not too worried, I think we have other up-and-coming superstars that'll keep him interested in a similar vein.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: KNVillan on September 05, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.

Good grief…Is Wilma on VT too?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 06:32:11 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

The Grealish who'd played two half-seasons in the Championship and even his own supporters were doubting? That Grealish?


No, not that one. The other one, the one he eventually became, the one on the cusp of captivating the planet, the one that would've, should've been. That one.

I'll readily accept that Edens is a better judge of potential than many of us. We just judge footballers by their ability. There's more to superstardom than that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave shelley on September 05, 2021, 06:32:20 PM
I have no idea if there is any truth in this rumour or not, I doubt it, but it does seem to be another unsettling talking point that isn't helping our start to the season at a time when we all need to be pulling in the same direction.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 05, 2021, 06:34:41 PM
Edens, so hitched to short term stardem that he's been bankrolling the hoovering up of every good 16 year old in the country and gutting the Stripey Academy for all its earthly possessions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 06:53:54 PM
I'm only saying that I do believe he only came along with, let us not forget, his considerably wealthier partner because he saw the potential of Grealish far beyond an ability to draw defenders. And until he invites me round for tea and tells me otherwise to my face, I'll remain convinced of my belief.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 05, 2021, 06:56:12 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

The Grealish who'd played two half-seasons in the Championship and even his own supporters were doubting? That Grealish?


No, not that one. The other one, the one he eventually became, the one on the cusp of captivating the planet, the one that would've, should've been. That one.

I'll readily accept that Edens is a better judge of potential than many of us. We just judge footballers by their ability. There's more to superstardom than that.

So it was the Grealish nobody outside Birmingham had heard of?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on September 05, 2021, 06:58:09 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

The Grealish who'd played two half-seasons in the Championship and even his own supporters were doubting? That Grealish?


No, not that one. The other one, the one he eventually became, the one on the cusp of captivating the planet, the one that would've, should've been. That one.

I'll readily accept that Edens is a better judge of potential than many of us. We just judge footballers by their ability. There's more to superstardom than that.

So it was the Grealish nobody outside Birmingham had heard of?

Ha ha exactly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 07:02:22 PM
Yes, that's the one.
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Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 07:04:35 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.

Good grief…Is Wilma on VT too?

Just search “It’s a disgrace” over and over, that should get you the answer.

Anyway, it’s was page 666 before that rumour surfaced here, so I’ll take that as a good sign.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Flin5tone on September 05, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
some people over at VT ( I know) claim they have heard that Edens wants out.

Good grief…Is Wilma on VT too?

Just search “It’s a disgrace” over and over, that should get you the answer.

Anyway, it’s was page 666 before that rumour surfaced here, so I’ll take that as a good sign.

  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 01:00:17 PM
I couldn't think of another place to put this. It's about Liverpool but just as relevant to all clubs:
https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2021, 03:42:38 PM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

I cannot tell if you’re joking.  I’m as certain that i can be that a very rich bloke in America would not invest £100s of millions based on the possible success of a young brummie lad.


Nope, not joking. As far as I can tell, his sole foray into sports prior to us is his investment in the Bucks, but primarily in Giannis. I think he saw a similar opportunity to follow the same strategy here with him.

Not too worried, I think we have other up-and-coming superstars that'll keep him interested in a similar vein.

As stretches go, that  really is one hell of a stretch. You really believe they bought us and will stay interested based on one player? When they bought us Grealish was a bit part player with a very dodgy off field history. Not much else.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 14, 2021, 04:36:10 PM
like everybody else i’ve had too many years of sorrow and disappointment following the Villa over the years
25 years since we last won a major trophy is ridiculous because I still believe we are a massive club

Problem I have is I swallowed the pill
When the new owners came in i totally bought into them 100%
This was what I’d been waiting for, Real owners with pots of money and lots of ambition
Getting out of the shitty league that we were in was just the first hurdle and it wasn’t going to be a problem as we were the biggest richest club in there and so it proved

The project, Grealish, European football, massive investment, wheehey hold onto your seats as one famous poster said
Grealish was the setback a big setback but I’m still believing in or in the project
So when I now hear we can’t compete with the top teams yet, even struggling against newly promoted teams, or we’ll be lucky to finish mid table, or Everton with a manager that’s been there five minutes are further ahead then we are, i’m not accepting it, I won’t accept it because this is our time and I’m not giving up yet I’ve waited too long

Any player or manager or coaching staff that doesn’t Believe or aren’t good enough to compete for European football in the next couple of years needs to be moved on and let’s get people in that do ( and that’s not a dig at Smith as he’ll be given time to prove that he can )
I thought we could do it this year but the Grealish thing might have put paid to that, But we still have the money we’re still the biggest club in the Midlands so this is no time for dumbing down or adjusting the bar lower

I’ve said before every post i make is with a view of Villa being a top six side in the near future
That’s why I argue against all the excuses and why we can’t, i’m more interested in why we can
I’m still believing I don’t care what it takes to get there




Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2021, 04:41:16 PM
I couldn't think of another place to put this. It's about Liverpool but just as relevant to all clubs:
https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/

Good read.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: JD on September 15, 2021, 03:06:50 AM
I couldn't think of another place to put this. It's about Liverpool but just as relevant to all clubs:
https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/

That's a fantastic article and so true. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ian. on September 15, 2021, 07:07:40 AM
I couldn't think of another place to put this. It's about Liverpool but just as relevant to all clubs:
https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/

Good read.

Thanks SE, that is a superb read and like the writer says they wouldn’t be surprised to find this in other clubs online fan base.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: nigel on September 15, 2021, 08:18:19 AM
I couldn't think of another place to put this. It's about Liverpool but just as relevant to all clubs:
https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/

Good read.

Thanks SE, that is a superb read and like the writer says they wouldn’t be surprised to find this in other clubs online fan base.

Agree, very good read.
It is true, every club has them.
We’ve guys on here that, if we don’t buy players x, y & z, go into meltdown 😂
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2021, 09:03:02 AM
Interesting article and you certainly see the echos and similarities.

I'd only add that there's a perception of fragility about everything and how we are constantly left with one shot. Every game is must win and every failure to do so a catastrophe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2021, 10:45:27 AM
I've always felt Grealish was the only reason Edens got involved.

I cannot tell if you’re joking.  I’m as certain that i can be that a very rich bloke in America would not invest £100s of millions based on the possible success of a young brummie lad.


Nope, not joking. As far as I can tell, his sole foray into sports prior to us is his investment in the Bucks, but primarily in Giannis. I think he saw a similar opportunity to follow the same strategy here with him.

Not too worried, I think we have other up-and-coming superstars that'll keep him interested in a similar vein.

As stretches go, that  really is one hell of a stretch. You really believe they bought us and will stay interested based on one player? When they bought us Grealish was a bit part player with a very dodgy off field history. Not much else.

Don't disagree with your overall point but to suggest Grealish was a bit part player in May 2018 is not true at all. And like all of us on here, you would have been waxing lyrical about his talent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
Not bit part but certainly semi detatched - Bruce didn't know what his best position was, shin splints back then were a concern, and he had yety to develop  the killer instinct in and around the final third - that seemed to come on his return from injury around March the following year when he bamboozled Derby and the rest is history.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
Interesting article and you certainly see the echos and similarities.

I'd only add that there's a perception of fragility about everything and how we are constantly left with one shot. Every game is must win and every failure to do so a catastrophe.

The one that bothers me most (and is specific to clubs of a certain level) is that players are either shit and need to be replaced if we want to progress or are really good and will leave as soon as they get chance. There's rarely any room for nuance in between but that's where almost all of our players belong.

Even more specific to us we've clearly decided to go down the route of signing players on the way up and then benefitting from the improvement in them over the next few years but some people are very quick to judge them as not good enough. My current favourite of all the bitching I've seen was a claim that Louis Barry was a waste of money and we should let him leave because if he isn't the best player at Ipswich then how will he ever be good enough for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 01:12:13 PM
He's going to lear n nothing sitting on their subs  bench though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
He's going to lear n nothing sitting on their subs  bench though.

He's learning that ability isn't everything.
He's learning that reputation means fuck all.
He's learning that he has a lot of work to do still, even if he's scored against Liverpool on his debut.
He's hopefully learning that training hard and earning the trust of coaches will give him his chance and that it'll be down to him to take that.
He's hopefully learning that this is an experience he never wants to go through again and he'll come back determined to make it at the top level.
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2021, 02:06:25 PM
Good points Paul.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2021, 02:16:21 PM
Good points? How do you know? Have you spoken to him? Has he told you so? Or are you just making a  supposition?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: john e on September 15, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
Good points? How do you know? Have you spoken to him? Has he told you so? Or are you just making a  supposition?

I’m going for supposition mate because it’s a fans forum and that’s what we do
No one knows anything really
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2021, 03:33:33 PM
It's a shame he's not getting much game time at the moment but just being in different surroundings, being involved in first team match day squads and seeing how other coaches work is I suppose all part of the loan experience for young players, as well as playing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Smithy on September 15, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
Good points? How do you know? Have you spoken to him? Has he told you so? Or are you just making a  supposition?

I’m going for supposition mate because it’s a fans forum and that’s what we do
No one knows anything really

I think it's unfair to say "no one knows anything", because I'm sure his assertion that Louie Barry will learn nothing on the bench at Ispwich comes from his own personal experience of being loaned from a Premier League club to a League One club and spending time on the bench there.

Because otherwise that, too, would be supposition, and he'd look a little hypocritical in criticising others for engaging in the same.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2021, 03:51:59 PM
It's a shame he's not getting much game time at the moment but just being in different surroundings, being involved in first team match day squads and seeing how other coaches work is I suppose all part of the loan experience for young players, as well as playing.

Exactly, there's loads of things he can be learning right now and given he's a few weeks into the loan that's fine. If he's still barely playing come December then we'll make the choice to end his loan in January and look for another one but it's 2-3 months before we should be making that decision right now and, back to the original point, him not having a great time on this loan so far doesn't really mean anything about his long term prospects for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: darren woolley on September 15, 2021, 04:18:38 PM
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That's a great article.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
Good points? How do you know? Have you spoken to him? Has he told you so? Or are you just making a  supposition?

I’m going for supposition mate because it’s a fans forum and that’s what we do
No one knows anything really

I think it's unfair to say "no one knows anything", because I'm sure his assertion that Louie Barry will learn nothing on the bench at Ispwich comes from his own personal experience of being loaned from a Premier League club to a League One club and spending time on the bench there.

Because otherwise that, too, would be supposition, and he'd look a little hypocritical in criticising others for engaging in the same.

 ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 09:29:21 AM
It's a shame he's not getting much game time at the moment but just being in different surroundings, being involved in first team match day squads and seeing how other coaches work is I suppose all part of the loan experience for young players, as well as playing.

Yes, but he could be doing all those things AND playing at a different club. Loaning him to a team with loads of forwards with no agreement that he would be picked was a stupid decision, especially considering we actually pay someone to be dedicated Loans Scout (or some such job title).

Meanwhile, we are leaving out exciting attackers to try to shoehorn an extra centre half into the team so we don't upset Man U.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2021, 09:32:55 AM
It's a shame he's not getting much game time at the moment but just being in different surroundings, being involved in first team match day squads and seeing how other coaches work is I suppose all part of the loan experience for young players, as well as playing.

Yes, but he could be doing all those things AND playing at a different club. Loaning him to a team with loads of forwards with no agreement that he would be picked was a stupid decision, especially considering we actually pay someone to be dedicated Loans Scout (or some such job title).

Meanwhile, we are leaving out exciting attackers to try to shoehorn an extra centre half into the team so we don't upset Man U.

Valid point on Barry. That bottom paragraph is just absolute nonsense though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 09:37:01 AM
We'll see, I suppose. Hopefully I'm wrong and the ludicrous three centre halves to (fail to) stop one forward policy was a one off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2021, 09:39:17 AM
We'll see, I suppose. Hopefully I'm wrong and the ludicrous three centre halves to (fail to) stop one forward policy was a one off.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong but we've played five games so far and Tuenzebe has started two, one of which was against Barrow. That's hardly trying to please Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 09:48:01 AM
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2021, 09:56:39 AM
Who knows why he did it? Maybe with Buendia not being available and Tarore and Bailey not fully match fit, he wanted to try something different with Watkins being available again. Either way, bringing Man Utd into it was a bit silly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2021, 10:02:21 AM
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.
I'm no fan of three at the back but I thought it had been widely commented that but for individual errors at both ends of the field that was our best performance of the season.  We had 18 shots on goal.  Away at Chelsea.  So the the ludicrous three centre halves must have really stifled our attacking display then?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.
I'm no fan of three at the back but I thought it had been widely commented that but for individual errors at both ends of the field that was our best performance of the season.  We had 18 shots on goal.  Away at Chelsea.  So the the ludicrous three centre halves must have really stifled our attacking display then?

Other than the first couple of minutes where they forced a few corners and the goal, I don't remember them creating much in the first half. We were sti in the game up until Ming's back pass.

I'm not a massive fan of five at the back either but with the right players, it can work if we were to play it now and again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2021, 10:07:38 AM
So, the decision to pick three centre halves against one forward was just a momentary lapse of sanity, then. Either way, not good.

Wasn't Monty's excellent analysis of our gameplan a crumb of comfort that the horrible 5-3-2/3-5/2 actually had merit?

I'm uncomfortable about the "he must play" clauses in loan deals if they do exist. Whether it's Barry or Tuanzebe, if they don't deserve to be starting for whatever reason, they shouldn't be. Like fat Ross Berkly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 10:08:21 AM
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 10:13:20 AM
I disagree with Monty's analysis. He sees the three centre halves as part of some fluid force that can turn defence into attack at any point. That might work if you have a 90s Ruud Gullit as one of them. Our centre halves are purely centre halves. Nothing wrong with that, but it means that when they're not defending properly (and they didn't, they conceded three), they contribute nothing outside of set pieces.

The other argument is that it allows full backs to get forwards more. Our full backs already did that just fine last season. Playing as part of four at the back.

Five at the back is horrendous. A waste of attacking talent and opportunity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2021, 10:14:10 AM
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 10:26:36 AM
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...

So you've just ignored every point I made then?

"Best performance", scored nil, conceded three. To a team playing one up front.

We are getting into Small Heath territory in searching for a moral victory, here.

I suppose it is five goals better than the last time we tried that moronic formation at Chelsea, to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: ROBBO on September 16, 2021, 10:37:37 AM
Someone refresh my memory, when did the position of sweeper disappear?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
The three at the back were responsible for at least two of the three goals, you can't say in any way that having three centre halves worked. The midfield did well. You can have three in midfield without having extra defenders (failing to) stop one centre forward.
You can't say in any way that the formation that delivcered the best performance of the season and 18 shots on goal away at the likely league Champions worked?

Righto...

So you've just ignored every point I made then?

"Best performance", scored nil, conceded three. To a team playing one up front.

We are getting into Small Heath territory in searching for a moral victory, here.

I suppose it is five goals better than the last time we tried that moronic formation at Chelsea, to be fair.

I don't think anyone is ignoring your posts, they just have an alternative view.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 10:40:50 AM
He made a sarcastic post saying I had nothing positive to say, when I had already said the midfield did well, so he was clearly ignoring or being selective.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 16, 2021, 10:45:02 AM
Someone refresh my memory, when did the position of sweeper disappear?


It died alongside the backpass.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2021, 10:46:44 AM
Someone refresh my memory, when did the position of sweeper disappear?


It died alongside the backpass.

Good riddance to both.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
He made a sarcastic post saying I had nothing positive to say, when I had already said the midfield did well, so he was clearly ignoring or being selective.

The way the midfield, full backs and team as a whole played was a product of the formation.  I simply disagree with your analysis that it wasn't.

I personally don't like 3/5 at the back.  I want us to play swashbuckling wingers like Bailey, Buendi and Traore.  But I'm not churlish enough to slag off a performance that was clearly a level above how we have played for some time just because I don't like the system.   And yes 'but the result....'  it was down to individual errors and poor finishing, not a poor formation.  Anybody can see that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 10:59:04 AM
Individual errors by our three centre-halves, agreed.

Anyway, like I said, we'll see. Hopefully they don't try that formation against Everton. Picking three centre halves to deal with Everton's second choice centre forward at home would be U2 levels of shit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2021, 11:01:01 AM
Well, two of 'em. 

Ezri is always good as gold.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 11:04:19 AM
Well, two of 'em. 

Ezri is always good as gold.

Agreed. I confess I've already forgotten the third goal so can't remember if it was anyone's fault. I'll blame Priti Patel.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2021, 11:07:26 AM
Individual errors by our three centre-halves, agreed.

Anyway, like I said, we'll see. Hopefully they don't try that formation against Everton. Picking three centre halves to deal with Everton's second choice centre forward at home would be U2 levels of shit.
Depends if you include missing a hatful of chances and misplacing final passes as 'errors'  Personally I think Watkins was also culpable and Ings was just generally poor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 16, 2021, 11:11:46 AM
Watkins didn't look fully fit to me, but don't disagree with your assessment. I would leave the three midfielders who played well and put two wingers either side of them (with just four defenders, as you may have guessed). It means the manager has a tough choice to make as to who you start up front, Ings or Watkins, but we've wanted competition for places, haven't we?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
Watkins didn't look fully fit to me, but don't disagree with your assessment. I would leave the three midfielders who played well and put two wingers either side of them (with just four defenders, as you may have guessed). It means the manager has a tough choice to make as to who you start up front, Ings or Watkins, but we've wanted competition for places, haven't we?

So would I CD.  I don't think we need to shoe horn in two up front and I'd prefer 4-3-3.  I'd start with Watkins and possibly push him wide when bringing Ings on around 60 mins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2021, 01:31:01 PM
I don't think it's fair or accurate to try to suggest the improvements at the weekend were related to the the formation, there's just nothing to prove it either way. In the first 3 games the biggest problem, in my opinion, was a lack of match fitness because of the mess of a pre-season we had with the copa america, euros, olympics and covid all combining to disrupt most clubs and then Ratboy, ROK and JT all moving on and a sizable injury list adding on top.

I think we'll see steady improvement over the next month as things settle, it's just a shame the easier fixtures came so early, swap our august and september fixtures around and I reckon we'd have beaten Watford and Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2021, 07:42:56 PM
Same happened in our first year back in the Premier League. All the winnable games at the start when we hadn't adapted to the league and then some shit fixtures.

Against Watford, some of the team selection and tactics were wrong. Against Brentford, we had a Covid outbreak beforehand and had to put out a bit of a patched up team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Dave on October 13, 2021, 06:18:46 PM
More realistically, I'm expecting 1, maybe 2 names that I've heard of before (to replace Barkley and possibly upgrade Nakamba), and maybe 3 or 4 players that I'm mostly/completely unaware of at the moment.  As others have said, no point spending loads of money on beefing up a recruitment team to buy players that Tony Cascarino could point out to you.

If Jack Grealish stays, then I think Berge from Sheffield United and David Brooks from Bournemouth (depending on the medical) would do enough to improve us in terms of the starting XI, we would then just need some better squad options than we currently have in certain positions. 

It's a no to Brooks for me, if he was 18-19 I'd be more willing to look at him but he's a 23 year old who hasn't stood out in the championship. Olise is the attacking championship player I'd be looking at and he'd be my 2nd signing behind someone with more top level experience. Last year I'd have loved us to sign Eze but I thought he'd be too much of a gamble given we needed our signings to 'land' to make sure we weren't in another relegation battle. This summer is very different and we can afford to pick up a couple of players with an eye on them pushing into the team over 12months so I'll be pretty upset if we miss out on him.

It was more those type of players than the actual players themselves.  David Brooks primarily plays on the right, but can play across the attacking midfield line which is the kind of player I think we need really.   He’s had some bad luck with injuries, but hopefully he can remain fit and feature in the Euros.

Now diagnosed with Stage 2 Hodgkin Lymphoma. Best of luck to the guy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
Post by: Risso on October 13, 2021, 08:53:19 PM
Shit, that's awful news. Hope he recovers fully soon.
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