Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.

[ChicagoLion]

He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.

[DrGonzo]

Don't panic Newcastle are in Pole position, so that rules him out for me on another level entirely!

[SamTheMouse]

Don't panic Newcastle are in Pole position, so that rules him out for me on another level entirely!

Good. I'm sick of seeing his name in this thread. 

[sickbeggar]

I don't think ManU rate him. He's got a contract till 2023 so it makes sense to loan him out to a premiership side and get exposure to sell him next summer. Can't see how we can guarantee game time for him.

[brontebilly]

He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.

United buy their way out of problems though. I think if he got more of a chance he would have proved himself at least as good as Lindelof and better then Bailly. He did play a bit with them towards the end of last season and did ok. Think he got blamed a bit for their home loss to Sheff United when the wheels started falling off their league bid.

He's a good player, the polar opposite of Hause in a way, excellent on the ball but average in the air. Offers cover for Konsa, RB to an extent, allows up to switch to three at the back at times. Needs a brute next to him though.

[ChicagoLion]

He looked a fantastic prospect when he played for us and I expected him to get into Manure team , sadly he has been plagued by injuries.

United buy their way out of problems though. I think if he got more of a chance he would have proved himself at least as good as Lindelof and better then Bailly. He did play a bit with them towards the end of last season and did ok. Think he got blamed a bit for their home loss to Sheff United when the wheels started falling off their league bid.

He's a good player, the polar opposite of Hause in a way, excellent on the ball but average in the air. Offers cover for Konsa, RB to an extent, allows up to switch to three at the back at times. Needs a brute next to him though.

yes the one weakness I saw was that forwards would play up against him and dominate him in the air.
I thought this was something that could be overcome with age and experience.

[algy]

Tuanzebe on loan would be pointless I think unless they're skint and can't afford a reserve. We're an established premier side now and the days of taking promising kids on loan from the likes of Man U for 12 months should be over. We either think he's good enough to buy or don't, and likewise either he fancies trying to win a first team place here or doesn't. Otherwise, go on loan to the likes Norwich or head to the championship

As far as loans are concerned, our youth set up makes me think that we might be in a slightly more pro-loan situation than most clubs in our position.  I'd take Bogarde as an example.  I've not watched him enough to say, but I get the impression from here that he's really promising, but not ready to be 4th choice defender this season.

I'd be quite happy in that case with us loaning in a 4th choice defender, and loaning out Bogarde, with the expectation that for 2022/23 season Bogarde will be the 4th choice defender.  Situations like that - where we have an immediate problem but the longer term solution is already there - I'd have no problem at all with us bringing in either older players on short contracts (e.g. Ashley Young) or loaning a player in (e.g. Tuanzebe) to meet a short term need.

The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.

[kipeye]

Tuanzebe on loan would be pointless I think unless they're skint and can't afford a reserve. We're an established premier side now and the days of taking promising kids on loan from the likes of Man U for 12 months should be over. We either think he's good enough to buy or don't, and likewise either he fancies trying to win a first team place here or doesn't. Otherwise, go on loan to the likes Norwich or head to the championship

As far as loans are concerned, our youth set up makes me think that we might be in a slightly more pro-loan situation than most clubs in our position.  I'd take Bogarde as an example.  I've not watched him enough to say, but I get the impression from here that he's really promising, but not ready to be 4th choice defender this season.

I'd be quite happy in that case with us loaning in a 4th choice defender, and loaning out Bogarde, with the expectation that for 2022/23 season Bogarde will be the 4th choice defender.  Situations like that - where we have an immediate problem but the longer term solution is already there - I'd have no problem at all with us bringing in either older players on short contracts (e.g. Ashley Young) or loaning a player in (e.g. Tuanzebe) to meet a short term need.

The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.

Not possible to know but I think Bogarde is better than that. He is good enough for 2/3rd choice if needed already from what I have seen. i know it's dangerous to throw youngsters in too soon, but we should be able to find out with a couple of cup games. it's not like he has to play every week.

[Dante Lavelli]

The only other situation I can think of is that Everton used to loan-with-an-option-to-buy when they got players in from abroad.  It basically gave them a try-before-you-buy on risky signings.  I think that was quite a canny piece of business on their part.

Arguably Barkley was ‘try before you buy’ and, perversely, proved to be a good loan as we were able to return him.  Like you’ve suggested, we should definitely not rule out loans entirely.

[JUAN PABLO]

Get more games out of Axl Rose than Axel T .

Always injured , no thanks .

[john2710]

If he can stay fit, get games then Axel would be a good signing. Even better on loan, with an option to buy at the end.

He’s cover for RB too. Whilst Bogarde may be the answer long term, there’s no way he’s ready for first team action.

[ADVILLAFAN]

He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

[Damo70]

He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

I seem to recall we played Tuanzebe out of position in his spell with us.

[Dr Butler]

He can't stay fit. He was constantly injured for Manure too.

It's not like he was even great at defending in the Championship.

should of scored in the playoff final vs Fat Fwanky's Derby too

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[Ian.]

Well this talk about Tunanzebe is nowhere near as exciting as the possibility of signing Bailey.