Villa Park Redevelopment

[kippaxvilla2]

Yes please keep it off the main thread.  Admittedly I post a lot over there but let’s not denigrate our own threads.

[chrisw1]

I think it's relevant.  Despite the sceptisism it looks like they will build what some thought we should have built.

How successful they become remains to be seen, but I imagine Man U fans laughed at Man City a few years ago.  Obviously pre PSR, but IF they do develop a multi use stadium, it's exactly the additional sort of income that puts such a huge gap between our PSR issues and the likes of Spurs.

I'm glad we're sticking with VP, but honestly I don't think the North stand project is anywhere near ambitious enough, given it is our only opportunity to build a stand unfettered by land constraints.  In fact, I don't think the Purslow design was ambitious enough either.

[kippaxvilla2]

You missed off SOTV.  Only kidding Chris.

[OCD]

Thing is with the Blues - there are a whole bunch of small clubs with rich owners and big ideas, off the top of my head there are Ipswich, Wrexham, Leeds, Oldham, QPR - all aiming for the Premier League, let alone the established 15 or so teams and the 10 that yo-yo between the EFL and PL. They seem to think it will be a stroll!

With the Bluenoses I know, I like to keep hyping them up, saying they'll go straight back up into the Premier League. Funnier then if it doesn't happen.

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The New North will be 1k under the Holte. How much bigger would you want it, without it looking totally out of keeping? Phase II as and when to go to 60k+ will be the Witton.

The CPO on 8 or 9 houses on Holte Road is not a particularly difficult obstacle to overcome. Although let's concentrate on averaging 50k in 2027, by averaging 43k next year for the first time and then ~44/45k the season after when they fandangle B and C blocks in the Trinity.

[ozzjim]

I think it's relevant.  Despite the sceptisism it looks like they will build what some thought we should have built.

How successful they become remains to be seen, but I imagine Man U fans laughed at Man City a few years ago.  Obviously pre PSR, but IF they do develop a multi use stadium, it's exactly the additional sort of income that puts such a huge gap between our PSR issues and the likes of Spurs.

I'm glad we're sticking with VP, but honestly I don't think the North stand project is anywhere near ambitious enough, given it is our only opportunity to build a stand unfettered by land constraints.  In fact, I don't think the Purslow design was ambitious enough either.

I agree, the intent and vision stadium wise is what will allow them to move forward at pace if they realise it, and will have them competing on a different financial footing. The North Stand is a plus, but I agree, not ambitious enough. We need to be 60-65k plus a huge amount of significantly better corporate. The only caveat is that Spurs charge London prices, they won't fill a stadium in Birmingham on London prices.

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[Drummond]

I just don't agree with a CPO on homes in order to make a football ground bigger. The whole premise stinks.

[chrisw1]

The New North will be 1k under the Holte. How much bigger would you want it, without it looking totally out of keeping? Phase II as and when to go to 60k+ will be the Witton.

The CPO on 8 or 9 houses on Holte Road is not a particularly difficult obstacle to overcome. Although let's concentrate on averaging 50k in 2027, by averaging 43k next year for the first time and then ~44/45k the season after when they fandangle B and C blocks in the Trinity.

I'd want it to be significantly larger, both in terms of seating but also the back up space which is so severely limited in the other stands.  If we had got to 52-53kish + with the stand alone, we'd be pushing 55k with the 'bowl optimisation'

But I think the biggest issue is the hospitality space.  The stand could be as deep as we wanted, so it was an opportunity to create a connected mid-tier deck with the Trinity to cover all the hospitality we're likely to need.  Even a hotel and conference facilities would have been possible, which some seem to think could work.

I strongly doubt we'll see anything happen to the Witton in the next 15 years.  So we enter our most competitive era for 40 years with a capacity capped at 50k and a pretty dismal hospitality offering.  Maybe it's all we need.  But it will be way behind the clubs we're hoping to compete with.

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Can go either way; make offers, do deals, CPO- whatever. Fully expect if we're staying the Witton to look remarkably difference by 2035.

[LeeS]

At the risk of being told to put it on a different thread, I think it is remarkable that a new tram line is being promised for their new stadium and we can’t get a platform extension for ours.

[dave.woodhall]

At the risk of being told to put it on a different thread, I think it is remarkable that a new tram line is being promised for their new stadium and we can’t get a platform extension for ours.

It's not for them. It's a line going a lot further, with a stop at the San Giro.

[Drummond]

I think that is part of the deal isn't it?

[frank black]

At the risk of being told to put it on a different thread, I think it is remarkable that a new tram line is being promised for their new stadium and we can’t get a platform extension for ours.

That’s what happens when you have the city name.

[PeterWithe]

At the risk of being told to put it on a different thread, I think it is remarkable that a new tram line is being promised for their new stadium and we can’t get a platform extension for ours.

We can, its part of the same funding package isn't it?