Villa Park Redevelopment

[dave.woodhall]

I've just looked at his 'proposal', I'll be kind and say it's fanciful at best.  If I'm right, he is recommending we buy up in excess of 500 homes and businesses, close all of the surrounding roads and rebuild an entirely new stadium on a plot roughly 5 times that of the current ground.

So effectively around £10 billion required, whilst simultaneously removing the population that would help to justify the expense of upgrading public transport in the area.

It's a binary choice between that and moving to a new ground that isn't in a 'dump' apparently.

10 billion? I’d guess around £75 million for the 500 houses. Where does the rest come from?

LeeB owns the freehold. 

[DB]

I don't think he'd put much thought into it to be honest, he just drew a line on MS Paint around the area and said bulldoze it. He lives to get a reaction.

This.

He's such a self important wanker.

Fuck him

Attention seeking c*ckwomble.

[FatSam]

I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think it stands up to much scrutiny for a number of reasons. Yes, in theory BCC could apply for a CPO, but I don't think they would ever do that in this case because the public benefit is not clear enough, as the ground isn't owned by the Council (or Aston Villa for that matter), as well as the loss of many much needed homes. Also, the sheer number of owners who would need to be bought out, and the fact that so many of them are potentially voters. CPOs have been used as a last resort for the new Tottenham and London Olympic stadiums as far as I'm aware, but I'm fairly sure that it was only for a small number of hold-out commercial owners.

[chrisw1]

I saw that earlier.  For those that can't be bothered this was his masterplan - cpo and bulldoze the outlined area.





I'm sure he's just posting for effect, but even so the callousness is remarkable.

[VILLA MOLE]

What was his plan to do with the people in these homes ? , i suppose there is the workhouse

[OCD]

Gross oversimplification.

Maybe the club could adopt a long-term approach though where anytime a property goes onto the market, we purchase it for market value. Then put it back on the market as a rental property until such time that blocks have eventually built up and we can re-purpose the land.

No intimidation tactics and Liverpool cited as an example of how not to do it.

[paul_e]

Fuck it, we should knock down that place up the hill as well.

[Pat Mustard]

I've just looked at his 'proposal', I'll be kind and say it's fanciful at best.  If I'm right, he is recommending we buy up in excess of 500 homes and businesses, close all of the surrounding roads and rebuild an entirely new stadium on a plot roughly 5 times that of the current ground.

So effectively around £10 billion required, whilst simultaneously removing the population that would help to justify the expense of upgrading public transport in the area.

It's a binary choice between that and moving to a new ground that isn't in a 'dump' apparently.

10 billion? I’d guess around £75 million for the 500 houses. Where does the rest come from?

£10 billion might be over-egging it a bit, but his proposal was effectively the bulldozing of an entire neighbourhood - hundreds of houses, businesses, several schools and places of worship that would be gone for a start. This is just for those in the demolition zone as well, before any costs of the knock-on effects to the rest of the area (so the industrial estate, the new Wholesale Markets, Salts, Tesco and all the others who lose access for a period of years).  Legal costs alone for that lot could potentially run to 10s if not 100s of millions, and then you still have to build a stadium and presumably lots of buildings to replace the wasteland that has been created as well as the required roads and utilities.

Look at how much the regeneration projects at Smithfield (£2 billion) and Perry Barr (£750 million) are costing, which are both a fraction of the area he wanted to bulldoze and were effectively already on brownfield sites.  It's not a huge leap to say this would easily cost £5-10 billion in total.

[oldhill_avfc]

Never really looked at a map of the are before - but it looks like you could rebuild on the a combination of the existing site and part of Aston Park across Trinity Road (if the council were willing to be supportive etc).

The lost amenity of the park could be relocated nearby (they use it for cage football from what I can see at the moment).

[pauliewalnuts]

Gross oversimplification.

Maybe the club could adopt a long-term approach though where anytime a property goes onto the market, we purchase it for market value. Then put it back on the market as a rental property until such time that blocks have eventually built up and we can re-purpose the land.

No intimidation tactics and Liverpool cited as an example of how not to do it.

The problem is that, unless you do the horrible shitty stuff Liverpool did - which I would not want us to do - then that can take literally decades.

[Drummond]

We don't need to do it. If we take some of the park, it means a full rebuild. If we end up with a deal for Witton Lane then we could redevelop that stand, but ultimately, if we're going to get 52k with our current footprint, I'd suggest that would be enough to last a good few years. After all, we've never sustained really big crowds in my lifetime, and who knows if we'll be able to now.

[oldhill_avfc]

Rebuilding probably becomes the better option if you feel that despite re-developing the North Stand, commercial/corporate/hospitality income remains very limited and/or there might be a need to further increase capacity again.

[Risso]

I've just looked at his 'proposal', I'll be kind and say it's fanciful at best.  If I'm right, he is recommending we buy up in excess of 500 homes and businesses, close all of the surrounding roads and rebuild an entirely new stadium on a plot roughly 5 times that of the current ground.

So effectively around £10 billion required, whilst simultaneously removing the population that would help to justify the expense of upgrading public transport in the area.

It's a binary choice between that and moving to a new ground that isn't in a 'dump' apparently.

10 billion? I’d guess around £75 million for the 500 houses. Where does the rest come from?

£10 billion might be over-egging it a bit, but his proposal was effectively the bulldozing of an entire neighbourhood - hundreds of houses, businesses, several schools and places of worship that would be gone for a start. This is just for those in the demolition zone as well, before any costs of the knock-on effects to the rest of the area (so the industrial estate, the new Wholesale Markets, Salts, Tesco and all the others who lose access for a period of years).  Legal costs alone for that lot could potentially run to 10s if not 100s of millions, and then you still have to build a stadium and presumably lots of buildings to replace the wasteland that has been created as well as the required roads and utilities.

Look at how much the regeneration projects at Smithfield (£2 billion) and Perry Barr (£750 million) are costing, which are both a fraction of the area he wanted to bulldoze and were effectively already on brownfield sites.  It's not a huge leap to say this would easily cost £5-10 billion in total.

Why are you still going on as if he was making a sensible proposal? It was just a stupid post to get a reaction.

[maidstonevillain]

I saw that earlier.  For those that can't be bothered this was his masterplan - cpo and bulldoze the outlined area.





I'm sure he's just posting for effect, but even so the callousness is remarkable.

Demolish the house my mother was born in. Not having that.

[PeterWithe]

Was it here that someone mentioned the Gun Quarter as somewhere to redevelop? If we are taking that as the land closed in by Newtown Row, The A38 and Summer Lane, I think that ship might have sailed, they are building 700+ apartments there, shame as there are plenty on derelict and semi derelict businesses there.