Villa Park Redevelopment

[Londonvilla]

I wish that was how capitalism worked.

You might be right, but 9 times out of 10...fatter margins.

Lol....  you may be right ....does anyone know the cost of rail seats at Celtic?

[Londonvilla]

Why do you think rail seats will be cheaper?

You can get more people into the available space

In the old days, yeah. Not now. I don't see anywhere that's introduced it at a higher rate than one seat = one standing.

From google

"What are the benefits of rail seating?
Efficient use of space

By replacing traditional seating with rail seats, clubs can increase capacity without having to expand their stadium."

[Lastfootstamper]

This seems as good a place as any to put this. It's about [the] fan engagement [standard], an initiative taken onboard by the PL in the last few hours. We do quite badly/well.

Most Premier League teams rank outside the top 50. Only Brighton and Aston Villa join Everton and Brentford in the top 50, placing 44th and 47th respectively. Newcastle United and Leeds United are in the bottom four of the table.

Last year's Premier League champions Manchester City are in 71st.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65038179

[PeterWithesShin]

As far as i'm aware none of the clubs that are trialing safe standing this season have an increase in capacity because of it.

[Lastfootstamper]

Why do you think rail seats will be cheaper?

You can get more people into the available space

In the old days, yeah. Not now. I don't see anywhere that's introduced it at a higher rate than one seat = one standing.

From google

"What are the benefits of rail seating?
Efficient use of space

By replacing traditional seating with rail seats, clubs can increase capacity without having to expand their stadium."

Ronnie Hawthorn, Head of Safety, Security and Operations, Celtic FC

"Rail seating is not a panacea for all of football's problems but the logic is this: you have a 900mm bar in front of your seat, every person has a seat or a standing area, so it is really still an all-seated stadium. It’s just that we can put it into standing mode. Numbers don’t go up, in fact, maybe much to the annoyance of some of colleagues on the commercial side, they’ve actually slightly gone down due to the double walkways we’ve put in there

[Rory]

This may be a stupid question, but are there actually seats in rail seating? If so, how is the set-up different to when fans stand now? Or is it more of a culture thing, to make standing acceptable?

All I know is that in the Lower Holte you have to stand whenever anybody wants to get past anyway, eliciting tuts and sighs from those behind.

[PeterWithesShin]

This may be a stupid question, but are there actually seats in rail seating? If so, how is the set-up different to when fans stand now? Or is it more of a culture thing, to make standing acceptable?

All I know is that in the Lower Holte you have to stand whenever anybody wants to get past anyway, eliciting tuts and sighs from those behind.

Yes, there are seats

[PeterWithesShin]

This is rail seating at Wolves

[Rory]

So could it just be a case of throwing rails onto the back of existing seats? I'm just not entirely sure I understand the need for rail seating if it doesn't create extra capacity.

[pauliewalnuts]

So could it just be a case of throwing rails onto the back of existing seats? I'm just not entirely sure I understand the need for rail seating if it doesn't create extra capacity.

It allows people to stand safely, I guess.

[Rory]

So could it just be a case of throwing rails onto the back of existing seats? I'm just not entirely sure I understand the need for rail seating if it doesn't create extra capacity.

It allows people to stand safely, I guess.

Fair enough. I prefer standing at games anyway, so it's fine by me.

[Lastfootstamper]

I do think that if there's an area officially designated as standing, it will generate a different atmosphere. And with a crash barrier every two and a half feet, it gives the freedom to be a bit more physical in your support, even if it's only leaning right forward with your arms in the air and singing at the top of your voice, safe in the knowledge you're not going shins first, head second over the seat/person in front of you.

I'll love to see it, I think it can only benefit the atmosphere, but I can't see it being allowed to increase capacity. It'll be one seat, one bum, be it sat down or stood up.

[PeterWithesShin]

It really is that simple, it's to create safe standing areas. The rails minimise falling over the seats in front, or even over the back of yours. I'm sure most of us have seen those 100% spontaneous and not at all staged pics of fans sprawled over seats after a goal that are the current rage. Usually twats like Leeds. The rails stop that from actually happening.

[Rory]

In that case, I'm all for it. As long as there are plenty of drums and trumpets for LeeB.

[PeterWithesShin]

Nothing staged here, pure coincidence so many are looking at the camera