Villa Park Redevelopment

[paul_e]

With the travel disruption etc I doubt paying supporters would be annoyed if the club gave tickets out to those local schools,churches,mosques,support groups etc It would do no harm and give those in the local area who wouldn't normally go a chance to see what it's like and may well be gripped forever .

You can't easily do that when the seats are scattered across multiple stands and sections in single or double seats.

I understand all of the above but it's no different to other big clubs in the league all seemed packed to the rafters last night.

If we can't sell out against Wolves when we are in form and a real feel good factor around then how will we do with a 50,000 seater stadium , that's all I'm saying .  We could often have 10,000 empty seats when the supply and demand weakens and there's no real need to be a season ticket holder or buy in advance.

We've got s very strong base but the support can't be taken for granted.

You really don't understand the above because you keep making the same argument that has already been refuted. A waiting list for season tickets doesn't mean that there is automatically a market for normal tickets, you can't keep comparing the 2 because it's just not how it works, you've been told this many times and yet still keep pushing the 7000 empty seats (although you've upped to 10000 for this post) line, it's a number you've made up with absolutely nothing to back it up because you refuse to listen to people disagreeing with you.

[exigo]

Maybe not the right thread (someone tell me where best to place it) but I have been a ST holder for many years, but this year has been ridiculous re my ability to get to games from London. A combination of Evening Kick Offs, the World Cup, disrupted train services and a host of other stuff, has limited my attendance to about 4 games this season. Selling my ticket on is not much of an option as you end up with a fraction of the ticket price and it's not worth the hassle. There must be others in my position as I see plenty of Villa shirts at Euston when there is a regular kick off time. I'm not currently thinking of giving up my ST, but it's certainly been on my mind recently. 7,000 empty seats for Wolves does not surprise me, as there are plenty of devoted fans who don't live on VP's doorstep.

Are you in the London Lions? Loads of us in the same boat; but there's always ways we make it easier – lift shares, two-together rail discounts etc. Drop me a DM if you like, and I can put you in contact with the relevant North/East/South/West London chairman.

[Drummond]

The other issue about tonight's game is that they aren't on General Sale; I presume it's because of the local nature of it.

[Lastfootstamper]

I know, but you've still only have had to been to one game since Di Matteo was manager.

[Drummond]

I know, but you've still only have had to been to one game since Di Matteo was manager.

Oh I know, but if you go to the website it doesn't, unless you've got that history and are logged in, show that there is any availability.

[amfy]

I know, but you've still only have had to been to one game since Di Matteo was manager.

Been to one game on your own reference.
Many occasional attenders go with a ticket passed on from a mate who can’t go.

For most games you can set up your own reference if you want to buy, but not this one.

[Hookeysmith]

If you're a ST holder and you're not at a match, you are still counted in the attendance figure

Technically there are 2 attendance figures recorded

Tickets sold (whether folk turn up or not - which is known before KO) - for the tax mans benefit

Attendees (footfall through the turnstiles) - this is for H&S reasons and in case of any emergency.

Some of the empty seats seen on TV games (at VP and others) are caused, usually 2nd half by piss heads who have paid to watch the game  but instead stand by a tv and drink warm piss beer from plastic bottles

[martyn ellis]

Maybe not the right thread (someone tell me where best to place it) but I have been a ST holder for many years, but this year has been ridiculous re my ability to get to games from London. A combination of Evening Kick Offs, the World Cup, disrupted train services and a host of other stuff, has limited my attendance to about 4 games this season. Selling my ticket on is not much of an option as you end up with a fraction of the ticket price and it's not worth the hassle. There must be others in my position as I see plenty of Villa shirts at Euston when there is a regular kick off time. I'm not currently thinking of giving up my ST, but it's certainly been on my mind recently. 7,000 empty seats for Wolves does not surprise me, as there are plenty of devoted fans who don't live on VP's doorstep.

Are you in the London Lions? Loads of us in the same boat; but there's always ways we make it easier – lift shares, two-together rail discounts etc. Drop me a DM if you like, and I can put you in contact with the relevant North/East/South/West London chairman.

Thanks a lot for this. How do i send a DM? (Call me old fashioned).

[Dave P]

I've just been online and totted up 2014 seats available for tonight.  With everything going on such as schools back, train strikes, £50+ tickets etc, I'd say this is a great effort.

[paul_e]

I've just been online and totted up 2014 seats available for tonight.  With everything going on such as schools back, train strikes, £50+ tickets etc, I'd say this is a great effort.

As has been said a few times a lot of those tickets are gonig to be very tough to sell so, for me, the count for blocks with the red ticks can be ignored as 'normal' unsold seats (pretty much every club has a few hundred of these). The blue tick blocks are the ones where the various contributing factors listed on here have seen maybe 1000-1200 tickets go unsold.

[coreyfeldman]

I understand all of the above but it's no different to other big clubs in the league all seemed packed to the rafters last night.

If we can't sell out against Wolves when we are in form and a real feel good factor around then how will we do with a 50,000 seater stadium , that's all I'm saying .  We could often have 10,000 empty seats when the supply and demand weakens and there's no real need to be a season ticket holder or buy in advance.

We've got s very strong base but the support can't be taken for granted.

We sell out plenty and obviously part of the stadium expansion and ticket sales will also be related to development in the area, transport links being updates and the team being in a stronger position that it is now. Of course there's an element of risk to it, but what is it that you're actually asking for or want? It's pointless just constantly complaining about the same thing without a thought about what it is you're after. Would you prefer the club decide to not upgrade the stadium and area?

Do you imagine a perfect world where we sell out every single match, regardless of any outside impacting factors, and unless we do then the club has fucked it and the stadium expansion is pointless? There's so little nuance or understanding of the other factors involved in attendances, and then the forthcoming stadium expansion in your 'arguments'.

Like others have said, train strikes, January and the fact that we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis will obviously sometimes impact the sales.

You find matches that we haven't sold out (we sell out plenty), and then talk about 'embarrassment', and catastrophise the situation. It's bizarre mate, and other posters have commented, you don't seem to take any counter points on board from anyone else.

Other teams 'seemed to be packed to the rafters' - I guarantee you won't see many empty seats when you watch highlights of us tonight, so will also seem to be packed. Also, if we sell 1000 tickets less than capacity, is that not counted as being packed or busy? You have such a negative view point, and it's pretty grating.

yikes, sorry I just probably should block rather than getting sucked in like this

[Hookeysmith]

I've just been online and totted up 2014 seats available for tonight.  With everything going on such as schools back, train strikes, £50+ tickets etc, I'd say this is a great effort.

So £40+K attending on a shit Jan mid week night post Christmas, with major travel disruptions and some on here are complaining?

Dog Shit City and Bitters average attendances (15,483 + 22,063) @ £37K combined puts our size into comparison -you could add probably Walsall's and still not match ours

Perspective required

[LeeB]

The demand for tickets at the Villa is completely unprecedented

[Drummond]

We've sold more than 40,000 for every game back in the Premier League.

[exiled on the wirral!]

What's getting lost on what Fred is saying and he's right on is the price of these tickets in the Trinity and Witton Lane...£59 with no concessions is just pure greed on Villa's part for a game against the likes of Wolves. Why is there no concessions in the Trinity anyway, no-one has been able to give a credible reason why?