Villa Park Redevelopment

[OCD]

The flipside to having Emery is whether building work would leave us with less for transfers and whether we wouldn't be as much of a force in home games with a stand down?

Whereas if we prioritise what's happening on the pitch for a few more years, we might just solidify ourselves and strengthen our bottom line and be in a much better position with FFP.

[Risso]

The flipside to having Emery is whether building work would leave us with less for transfers and whether we wouldn't be as much of a force in home games with a stand down?

Whereas if we prioritise what's happening on the pitch for a few more years, we might just solidify ourselves and strengthen our bottom line and be in a much better position with FFP.

Building work doesn't affect FFP. And if we can't have a transfer fund AND build a new stand, then what on earth are those new investors for?

[The Edge]

It's crazy the two stands built within a year of each other (Holte End/Witton Lane) look so different and have such a disjointed connection, with a section of restricted view seats...

some of those seats must look directly at a brick wall . Brilliant planning

It's something that's triggered my ocd since the day the new Holte was opened. You've got me thinking now. It's possible that they could re-profile the lower Holte to match the angle of the seating in the DE forming a new corner section thus creating more seating. Could this be the re-jigging of the current seating that Heck was talking about?

i'm not sure its possible those seats in the bottom of the Holte that are blocked off are very low down and at a weid angle , not sure how you'd adjust them without blocking others off

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

[Malandro]

That's it really Villan. 

Both views are valid and it would be great to ultimately see us in a 60k seater.  But we have Emery now.  Let's go balls out to exploit that and get up to 50-55k.  If we're concerned about corporate space, make the North even bigger - there's loads of room in that car park.

I honestly don't mind filling in the corners if it adds another few thousand seats.  Particularly if we retain a stand-alone Holte.  What we want is a competitive stadium in 2-3 years not 7-10.

If they are thinking about a new stadium. I’m not sure if five to ten years matters. I’m sure we’ll know their intentions in the next eighteen months.

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If we agree that a stadium closes the gap, then timescale is irrelevant, it is what must be done and the sooner it commences, the better.

[VillaTim]

It's crazy the two stands built within a year of each other (Holte End/Witton Lane) look so different and have such a disjointed connection, with a section of restricted view seats...

some of those seats must look directly at a brick wall . Brilliant planning

It's something that's triggered my ocd since the day the new Holte was opened. You've got me thinking now. It's possible that they could re-profile the lower Holte to match the angle of the seating in the DE forming a new corner section thus creating more seating. Could this be the re-jigging of the current seating that Heck was talking about?

i'm not sure its possible those seats in the bottom of the Holte that are blocked off are very low down and at a weid angle , not sure how you'd adjust them without blocking others off

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

i take it they dont sell those seats ? may aswell rip them out and put a dance floor there or something or other

[Mister E]

If we agree that a stadium closes the gap, then timescale is irrelevant, it is what must be done and the sooner it commences, the better.

I was talking with an Aussie mate of mine (who went to the Spuds stadium to see the B'mouth game*) about the situation of stadia, commercial income and competing with the other clubs in the Premier League. Our competition are either London-based (Spuds, Arse) or benefitting from some heritage value (ManUre, Liverpool), or simply powered with endless funds (Citeh and possibly Jawdies): these clubs are able to leverage higher ticket prices, more compelling commercial income and a willing home support.
For us to compete, my Aussie mate and I concluded that a stadium fit for 60k people with all the facilities fans now expect is critical. From that, multiple commercial opportunities will arise, assuming the team is doing well.
So, I agree, time is a key factor in all this: if we want to be in the top echelon, we need to develop the best possible stadium as soon as possible in order to compete.
If we just want to be a plucky 'hopeful' continue as is.


* He reckons that the queue for the club shop was 50yds long and there were c.15 tills serving the demand; he did a rough calculation that the per person spend was around £150.00. He may have got this wrong, of course, but the ballpark numbers are impressive.
for us, there's an assumption that we want to attract more 'tourist' fans than we currently do; and this may grate with many of us. Maybe success comes with that 'price'.

[Brazilian Villain]

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

i take it they dont sell those seats ? may aswell rip them out and put a dance floor there or something or other

I'd go for a pool bar and hot tub. https://www.mlb.com/dbacks/ballpark/events/locations/pool

[The Edge]

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

i take it they dont sell those seats ? may aswell rip them out and put a dance floor there or something or other

I'd go for a pool bar and hot tub. https://www.mlb.com/dbacks/ballpark/events/locations/pool

Can you please email the details for this? Please forward to: Chris.Heck@tramplingonhistory.com

[Villan82]

If we agree that a stadium closes the gap, then timescale is irrelevant, it is what must be done and the sooner it commences, the better.

Based on what we have seen  so far it is just as likely they ramp up prices next year, demand for ticket actually reduces and they announce that 42k is fine.

Honestly, Heck gives me such a bad vibe.

[luke95]

It's crazy the two stands built within a year of each other (Holte End/Witton Lane) look so different and have such a disjointed connection, with a section of restricted view seats...

some of those seats must look directly at a brick wall . Brilliant planning

It's something that's triggered my ocd since the day the new Holte was opened. You've got me thinking now. It's possible that they could re-profile the lower Holte to match the angle of the seating in the DE forming a new corner section thus creating more seating. Could this be the re-jigging of the current seating that Heck was talking about?

i'm not sure its possible those seats in the bottom of the Holte that are blocked off are very low down and at a weid angle , not sure how you'd adjust them without blocking others off

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

Would you be able to build on that corner , it's also the only entrance/exit for heavy machinery into the stadium.

[VillaTim]

It's crazy the two stands built within a year of each other (Holte End/Witton Lane) look so different and have such a disjointed connection, with a section of restricted view seats...

some of those seats must look directly at a brick wall . Brilliant planning

It's something that's triggered my ocd since the day the new Holte was opened. You've got me thinking now. It's possible that they could re-profile the lower Holte to match the angle of the seating in the DE forming a new corner section thus creating more seating. Could this be the re-jigging of the current seating that Heck was talking about?

i'm not sure its possible those seats in the bottom of the Holte that are blocked off are very low down and at a weid angle , not sure how you'd adjust them without blocking others off

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

Would you be able to build on that corner , it's also the only entrance/exit for heavy machinery into the stadium.

You could try and build almost a mezzanine type infill but it would be very Heath Robinson

[Risso]

If we agree that a stadium closes the gap, then timescale is irrelevant, it is what must be done and the sooner it commences, the better.

It's not irrelevant if it means we spend the next ten years in the same sized stadium we have now.

[dave.woodhall]

It's crazy the two stands built within a year of each other (Holte End/Witton Lane) look so different and have such a disjointed connection, with a section of restricted view seats...

some of those seats must look directly at a brick wall . Brilliant planning

It's something that's triggered my ocd since the day the new Holte was opened. You've got me thinking now. It's possible that they could re-profile the lower Holte to match the angle of the seating in the DE forming a new corner section thus creating more seating. Could this be the re-jigging of the current seating that Heck was talking about?

i'm not sure its possible those seats in the bottom of the Holte that are blocked off are very low down and at a weid angle , not sure how you'd adjust them without blocking others off

It's hard to explain what I'm thinking but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Whether it's worth the effort for what we would gain is another question. I just hate the fact that we have a corner at the lower right hand side of the Holte that's dead space.

Would you be able to build on that corner , it's also the only entrance/exit for heavy machinery into the stadium.

It might also be the emergency services entrance.

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If we agree that a stadium closes the gap, then timescale is irrelevant, it is what must be done and the sooner it commences, the better.

It's not irrelevant if it means we spend the next ten years in the same sized stadium we have now.

That's a difficult choice that has to be made. You can't do both.