Villa Park Redevelopment

[Drummond]

The master-plan is 60,000 - but that will be reached by the introduction of safe-standing, not by any new stands.

The Holte End has the space to improve the concourses, but how they'll increase the capacity of the Witton Lane - particularly the upper - without improving facilities hasn't been outlined yet.

Maybe they'd rebuild the Witton as all rail-seating.

[LeeB]

The master-plan is 60,000 - but that will be reached by the introduction of safe-standing, not by any new stands.

The Holte End has the space to improve the concourses, but how they'll increase the capacity of the Witton Lane - particularly the upper - without improving facilities hasn't been outlined yet.

Maybe they'd rebuild the Witton as all rail-seating.

The concourses and facilities are bad enough at present in there without adding extra numbers

[algy]

If we're genuinely looking at 1:1.8 rail seating in the Holte, we wouldn't need to do anything at the Witton Lane stand. Holte End's 13.5k capacity roughly, so an 80% increase brings it up to 24.3k. That alone would be more than enough to get Villa Park up to 60k capacity.

[Drummond]

The master-plan is 60,000 - but that will be reached by the introduction of safe-standing, not by any new stands.

The Holte End has the space to improve the concourses, but how they'll increase the capacity of the Witton Lane - particularly the upper - without improving facilities hasn't been outlined yet.

Maybe they'd rebuild the Witton as all rail-seating.

The concourses and facilities are bad enough at present in there without adding extra numbers

That's why they'd rebuild it. Ditch the corporate stuff, which will be in the new North and Trinity and just have fans in there.

[Percy McCarthy]

The master-plan is 60,000 - but that will be reached by the introduction of safe-standing, not by any new stands.

The Holte End has the space to improve the concourses, but how they'll increase the capacity of the Witton Lane - particularly the upper - without improving facilities hasn't been outlined yet.

Maybe they'd rebuild the Witton as all rail-seating.

The concourses and facilities are bad enough at present in there without adding extra numbers

That's why they'd rebuild it. Ditch the corporate stuff, which will be in the new North and Trinity and just have fans in there.

Would be ideal if we could sensitively address issues of local residents and extend our footprint over to the new academy and railway line.

It sounds kinda wrong but maybe if we bought out the homeowners and financed rehousing everybody in a way they’re all happy with, the sky and the local transport infrastructure is the limit.

My mate was buzzing when HS2 bought him out from his house in Gilson for 10% over market value.

[SaddVillan]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Higher - an additional tier - whilst it will increase capacity,  there won't be alot of space for stairs/catering

Deeper - Two alternatives:
Out over Witton Lane - a la Trinity Road
Backwards on the road itself. But that will need the road to be rerouted onto the gardens.
More than likely that both options would meet objections from householders on Holte Road. The answer - buy them out? Think Liverpool did something similar when they expanded Anfield.

[Percy McCarthy]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Higher - an additional tier - whilst it will increase capacity,  there won't be alot of space for stairs/catering

Deeper - Two alternatives:
Out over Witton Lane - a la Trinity Road
Backwards on the road itself. But that will need the road to be rerouted onto the gardens.
More than likely that both options would meet objections from householders on Holte Road. The answer - buy them out? Think Liverpool did something similar when they expanded Anfield.

Liverpool did it disgracefully, buying the houses as they became available, leaving them empty in an attempt to drive the others away by making the area uninhabitable.

[pauliewalnuts]

Building it any higher would doubtless create light problems for the houses behind.

[AV82EC]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Higher - an additional tier - whilst it will increase capacity,  there won't be alot of space for stairs/catering

Deeper - Two alternatives:
Out over Witton Lane - a la Trinity Road
Backwards on the road itself. But that will need the road to be rerouted onto the gardens.
More than likely that both options would meet objections from householders on Holte Road. The answer - buy them out? Think Liverpool did something similar when they expanded Anfield.

Liverpool did it disgracefully, buying the houses as they became available, leaving them empty in an attempt to drive the others away by making the area uninhabitable.

Yep a quite disgraceful way to treat their neighbours. The only fair way to do that is a compulsory purchase order through the council but the local councillors and residents would be up in arms and to my mind rightly so.

I’m with Algys plan to completely remodel the Holte into a single tier super stand holding 20k+ to get us to sixty. God knows how they’ll do it but that’s why we have engineers.

[VILLA MOLE]

I would prefer the ground to look more balanced so A larger Witton lane .  Ideally as previously said any relocation would come with a regeneration to the area and giving something back to the local residents

[SaddVillan]

If only Villa Park had originally been built 50yds further along Trinity Road/Witton Lane, we'd have had plenty of room on both sides of the ground and the Holte would be properly squared off on the Trinity Rd side.

But then perhaps we wouldn't have had the beautiful mosaic on the gable end of the old Trinity.

[paul_e]

If only Villa Park had originally been built 50yds further along Trinity Road/Witton Lane, we'd have had plenty of room on both sides of the ground and the Holte would be properly squared off on the Trinity Rd side.

But then perhaps we wouldn't have had the beautiful mosaic on the gable end of the old Trinity.

It actually wouldn't help that much if you look at the site, Nelson road pinches in, which is why the north end of the trinity 'dips' in a little, to avoid blocking light for the houses on there. There's no configuration of the ground that you can fit in (without expanding the site) that offers significantly more space.

[saunders_heroes]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Higher - an additional tier - whilst it will increase capacity,  there won't be alot of space for stairs/catering

Deeper - Two alternatives:
Out over Witton Lane - a la Trinity Road
Backwards on the road itself. But that will need the road to be rerouted onto the gardens.
More than likely that both options would meet objections from householders on Holte Road. The answer - buy them out? Think Liverpool did something similar when they expanded Anfield.

Liverpool did it disgracefully, buying the houses as they became available, leaving them empty in an attempt to drive the others away by making the area uninhabitable.

Didn’t we buy the houses on Witton Lane prior to the rebuild? Maybe we could do that again, but not the way Liverpool did it.

[pauliewalnuts]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Higher - an additional tier - whilst it will increase capacity,  there won't be alot of space for stairs/catering

Deeper - Two alternatives:
Out over Witton Lane - a la Trinity Road
Backwards on the road itself. But that will need the road to be rerouted onto the gardens.
More than likely that both options would meet objections from householders on Holte Road. The answer - buy them out? Think Liverpool did something similar when they expanded Anfield.

Liverpool did it disgracefully, buying the houses as they became available, leaving them empty in an attempt to drive the others away by making the area uninhabitable.

Didn’t we buy the houses on Witton Lane prior to the rebuild? Maybe we could do that again, but not the way Liverpool did it.

What Liverpool did was pretty shitty, but other than buying them one by one, I am not sure how else we could do it?

[DeKuip]

The only solutions if we want to increase capacity in the Witton Lane are to build higher or deeper.

Deeper? Wouldn’t be much of a view down there.