Champions League restructuring

[WassallVillain]

Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.

There is a devil in the detail there in that the dirty dozen will now be working to get FIFA & UEFA on board then the whole thing can be revived. It has slowed them down but I don’t think for one minute that it has gone away for good. That is why the FA and EPL should be meting out some sort of punishment now and the 14 should be filling the vacant positions at the top table and tightening the rules to ensure that the richer clubs can never manipulate a new system to soak up all the cash for themselves.

[ChicagoLion]

Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.

There is a devil in the detail there in that the dirty dozen will now be working to get FIFA & UEFA on board then the whole thing can be revived. It has slowed them down but I don’t think for one minute that it has gone away for good. That is why the FA and EPL should be meting out some sort of punishment now and the 14 should be filling the vacant positions at the top table and tightening the rules to ensure that the richer clubs can never manipulate a new system to soak up all the cash for themselves.

If UEFA and FIFA become complicit I am not sure what the PL can do.
We are right not to trust them though, they bought in the expanded CL, FFP, A world Cup in Qatar and thats before we get into the past Mafia level corruption in these bodies.

[Ad@m]

The sooner we know the punishment for the scabby 12 the better.

It could mean the difference of Villa getting in transfers from the big 12 or having to scout the lower leagues again. Expensive squads + big debt = Bargain Basement.

Hurry up Premier League, Uefa etc, get your finger out. 

What kind of punishment are you expecting, Baldy?

I don't expect the Premier League to do much. Why weaken the cash cow that has made the Premier League so powerful!! They can't afford to lose the big 6 out of a League of 20 clubs. it would weaken the TV appeal and damage all clubs, including Villa.

However, Europe can absorb the loss of 12 clubs (some of whom wont qualify next year anyhow). There are plenty of massive clubs in Europe who will make any competition very interesting and indeed to see some new faces would be refreshing. Therefore, ban the main instigators of the ESL from all European competition for 3 years and the other clubs for 2 years. Also, impose an incoming transfer ban for the same period of time.

It will cripple most of them financially and the 'fire sale' can begin. 

The head of UEFA has already said that the English clubs will be treated more favourably in any potential sanctions as they bottled it first.

[chrisw1]

I can't see there being any punishments of note.  If you look to relegate them and ban them from Europe for a few years then they'll say their hand is being forced to reconsider another form of European league.

What really needs to come out of this is a spotlight on the distribution of wealth - ideally with a fairer share of league and TV revenue, a reversal of the increased size CL and proposed wildcard entries (which are a fucking disgrace and have gone under the radar) and most importantly some legislation protecting the English game as we know it from predatory investors.

[Small Rodent]

Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.

It's a good first step, but the absolute bare minimum. Personally I'd happily consign the 6 to a watery grave - relegation to League 2, with a 120pt deduction. Two of them definitely playing non-league football in 2022/23, the other 4 being in the wilderness for at least 4 seasons. Big fines, and absolutely have to abide by FFP rules (which should start generally bite in League 1/The Championship for the 4, assuming they manage to dig themselves out of their hole quickly enough).

If anything, I think you're being too soft on them!

They need the same punishment as football hooligans...

[Dante Lavelli]

I listened to the European totally football podcast and one of the panellist explained that there’s a clause in the contract that the 12 clubs have signed where IF Barcelona (and their weird fan “voter” system) rejected the ESL AND 70% of the other clubs rejected it, then all clubs are off the hook.

The reason Juve, Barca and Madrid are holding out is IF Barca fans vote in favour then then other nine clubs will have a massive loss of profit claim coming their way even if the league never starts.

[Hockley Lion]

I listened to the European totally football podcast and one of the panellist explained that there’s a clause in the contract that the 12 clubs have signed where IF Barcelona (and their weird fan “voter” system) rejected the ESL AND 70% of the other clubs rejected it, then all clubs are off the hook.

The reason Juve, Barca and Madrid are holding out is IF Barca fans vote in favour then then other nine clubs will have a massive loss of profit claim coming their way even if the league never starts.

Like I said a couple of days ago. Perez may have played a blinder and solved some of Real's financial problems with what could amount to a sting on the others.

I'd have to confess it'd be amusing if the naughty 9 had to pay the other 3 and still get punished.

[cdbearsfan]

No, it would only be good if all twelve suffer. Your scenario just strengthens the two worst offenders. In any case, surely they'd be paying JP Morgan compensation, not other clubs?

[Hockley Lion]

Chelski and Monopoly City were both losers in the premier league last season finishing 4th
(f-cking 4th!) and 2nd respectively yet both are in the semi finals of the champions league. What a joke, con league more like it! Competitions like this continue to bring the game of football into disrepute.

Its possible in future that a "wild card" team could win it, without even qualifying for the competition in their domestic league.

It's ridiculous. Champions League should mean champions only. Period.

[cdbearsfan]

Ahem. Full stop.

[Hockley Lion]

No, it would only be good if all twelve suffer. Your scenario just strengthens the two worst offenders. In any case, surely they'd he paying JP Morgan compensation, not other clubs?

Dunno who'd get the money. Of course they should all be punished. But they probably won't. I wasn't being serious about the beneficiary's. But Man-ure and the others having to pay a fortune does have a certain irony.

[cdbearsfan]

Oh yes, I've no problem with anything that leaves them out of pocket, if it doesn't benefit any of the others.

[Hockley Lion]

Oh yes, I've no problem with anything that leaves them out of pocket, if it doesn't benefit any of the others.

Absolutely agreed. If they do have to pay it may peg them back in the Premier League somewhat too.

And my goodness they'd look so stupid!

[tony scott]

I think the only form of punishment that would work in the long , is salary cap which would ensure the end of stockpiling players .

[Dante Lavelli]

I think the only form of punishment that would work in the long , is salary cap which would ensure the end of stockpiling players .

That is the only long term solution I can think of that would be fair.  Like when cigarette advertising was banned it might be good for the big club’s owners too as their turnover should not impacted in the short term so their profits should increase.