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Offline Monty

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1680 on: April 25, 2021, 05:27:18 PM »
Italian football is in a state. Just look at the stadiums, they’ve pretty much been left to ruin. It’s not overly surprising those fans after battle weary and beaten down.

Almost none of the clubs own their stadiums - they're instead leased to them by the local government, which is why teams in so many cities (Milan, Rome, Genoa, Verona) share their stadiums. And local government, construction, maintenance and so on is....well it's a long story here, let's put it that way.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1681 on: April 25, 2021, 05:30:02 PM »
Italian football is in a state. Just look at the stadiums, they’ve pretty much been left to ruin. It’s not overly surprising those fans after battle weary and beaten down.

Almost none of the clubs own their stadiums - they're instead leased to them by the local government, which is why teams in so many cities (Milan, Rome, Genoa, Verona) share their stadiums. And local government, construction, maintenance and so on is....well it's a long story here, let's put it that way.

So I hear. I guess not everywhere can be as clean as Mexico!

Offline Hockley Lion

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1682 on: April 25, 2021, 07:02:28 PM »
Perez may have played a blinder if the naughty 9 have to pay huge financial penalties to escape the ESL. It could go some way paying off the debts of the remaining 3. I'd be interested to know who's to get the blood money.

Also, if there is to be any European exclusion of these clubs it has to be all of them. Otherwise those not excluded will gain an advantage in the next competition.

One thing that surprises and disappoints me is that Barcelona got into bed with Real Madrid at any level.

There is not the same anger about it in Spain or Italy as there is here

Especially with the fans of the clubs involved

There wasn't at first in Italy, but after seeing the English fans get mad the fury definitely built among the tifosi of the left-behind. The trouble is Italians are quite used to being fucked over and not being able to do anything about it, so their reaction to something like this was always likely to be pessimism and resignation. It picked up though.

Has anyone seen Man City fans protesting anywhere in the media? I've not seen much.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1683 on: April 25, 2021, 07:04:04 PM »
They didn't play a home game before they withdrew, and I imagine they're fairly happy with their owners. Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal all disliked their owners already and Chelsea stopped protesting and went home once they announced their withdrawal from the ESL.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1684 on: April 25, 2021, 09:29:49 PM »
When are the punishments going to be discussed?

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1686 on: April 26, 2021, 06:44:19 PM »
Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1687 on: April 26, 2021, 07:13:41 PM »
Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.
It's a good first step, but the absolute bare minimum. Personally I'd happily consign the 6 to a watery grave - relegation to League 2, with a 120pt deduction. Two of them definitely playing non-league football in 2022/23, the other 4 being in the wilderness for at least 4 seasons. Big fines, and absolutely have to abide by FFP rules (which should start to bite in League 1/The Championship for the 4, assuming they manage to dig themselves out of their hole quickly enough).

Oh, and ban them from all cups for 5 seasons.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2021, 07:16:09 PM by algy »

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1688 on: April 26, 2021, 07:15:59 PM »
Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.
It's a good first step, but the absolute bare minimum. Personally I'd happily consign the 6 to a watery grave - relegation to League 2, with a 120pt deduction. Two of them definitely playing non-league football in 2022/23, the other 4 being in the wilderness for at least 4 seasons. Big fines, and absolutely have to abide by FFP rules (which should start generally bite in League 1/The Championship for the 4, assuming they manage to dig themselves out of their hole quickly enough).

If anything, I think you're being too soft on them!

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1689 on: April 26, 2021, 07:28:29 PM »
Serie A have passed a rule to ban any clubs who join a non-FIFA-sanctioned tournament. It isn't the punitive measures some want, but it is something. And hopefully that prick Agnelli will be annoyed.

Hopefully the Premier League and other leagues can do similar.

He'll be even more annoyed by Napoli's result this evening.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1690 on: April 27, 2021, 07:13:16 AM »
To be fair to them both, they're absolutely right when they say that spending hundreds of millions of euros on new players each season when your income isn't guaranteed (due to pesky competition) isn't sustainable.

The issue is really players wages then.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1691 on: April 27, 2021, 08:15:56 AM »
Chelski and Monopoly City were both losers in the premier league last season finishing 4th
(f-cking 4th!) and 2nd respectively yet both are in the semi finals of the champions league. What a joke, con league more like it! Competitions like this continue to bring the game of football into disrepute.

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1692 on: April 27, 2021, 10:09:38 AM »
The sooner we know the punishment for the scabby 12 the better.

It could mean the difference of Villa getting in transfers from some of the big 12 or having to scout the lower leagues again. Expensive squads + big debt = Bargain Basement.

Hurry up Premier League, Uefa etc, get your finger out.  >:(
« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 10:11:46 AM by Baldy »

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1693 on: April 27, 2021, 10:12:12 AM »
The sooner we know the punishment for the scabby 12 the better.

It could mean the difference of Villa getting in transfers from the big 12 or having to scout the lower leagues again. Expensive squads + big debt = Bargain Basement.

Hurry up Premier League, Uefa etc, get your finger out.  >:(
What kind of punishment are you expecting, Baldy?

Offline Baldy

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Re: Champions League restructuring
« Reply #1694 on: April 27, 2021, 10:28:52 AM »
The sooner we know the punishment for the scabby 12 the better.

It could mean the difference of Villa getting in transfers from the big 12 or having to scout the lower leagues again. Expensive squads + big debt = Bargain Basement.

Hurry up Premier League, Uefa etc, get your finger out.  >:(
What kind of punishment are you expecting, Baldy?

I don't expect the Premier League to do much. Why weaken the cash cow that has made the Premier League so powerful!! They can't afford to lose the big 6 out of a League of 20 clubs. it would weaken the TV appeal and damage all clubs, including Villa.

However, Europe can absorb the loss of 12 clubs (some of whom wont qualify next year anyhow). There are plenty of massive clubs in Europe who will make any competition very interesting and indeed to see some new faces would be refreshing. Therefore, ban the main instigators of the ESL from all European competition for 3 years and the other clubs for 2 years. Also, impose an incoming transfer ban for the same period of time.

It will cripple most of them financially and the 'fire sale' can begin.  :)
« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 10:33:21 AM by Baldy »

 


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