Emi Martinez

[Footy-Vill]

There was some concern that playing out from the back was not his strongest strength

Fairly horrendous "insight" that was, as it turns out.

I would say to that Emi Martinez has had to acquire further skills and expertise necessary for passing out to players in addition to developing instincts to come out as Sweeper Keeper
Distribution has been developed with the coaching staff.

He's a special goalkeeper. A winner. World Class Number one in the world.
He has an aura when players come one-on-one and they are obviously intimidating by his presence he's totally world class at that however I don't think he's world class at distribution even though he has had some excellent passing out moment sometimes it could be better.

I think that's fair.

And you went on and on about his silly world Cup willy joke, questioning his temperament etc etc. You just talk such absolute fucking guff it's unreal

I remember one absolute belter in particular, which was the suggestion that Emery might play Olsen in a league match at Everton rather than Martinez, one of the main reasons being "he knows the ground".

It's an endless stream of horse-shit.

I remember the classic Olsen will likely play boxing day, as expect Martinez and Argentina to win the World Cup, and he'll be celebrating.I said that pre-tournament.
But if some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving. Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person. If one truly disagrees, one should engage in more structured debate rather than straightforward foul language.

In football, players can get yellow cards for unsporting behaviour and dissent.

Some cautions need to be handed out here due to the foul and abusive language being used.
So do try and let people write what they think or feel, and to some I ask, be constructive or fair in reply.

Anyway, this is a Martinez thread.I maintain he should be captain and that I'm not totally convinced of his discharge of the ball at times.

[pauliewalnuts]

Everyone writes as much sense or nonsense as the next person.

If only.

[Simon Page]

If some choose to focus on only the inaccuracies or lack of context of what I write, that's their own misgiving.

[Footy-Vill]

Absolute nonsense. His distribution is superb, and he's a hugely important part of how we play, ie building from the back.

Literally 50% of Martinez long passes are successful so far this season.

So as I say he needs to improve longer distances of passing distribution. That would be on decision making of the pass as well as the accuracy.
No need there to correct myself on the misgivings as the facts tell the story. However I've already acknowledged his improvement on his passing which have been coached into him for short and medium length passes

Short and Medium passing is 98%
Short game 62 passes made 61 completed.
Medium passing 153 passes made 151 completed.

To play football Martinez has to have those high level short and medium passes but also improve his longer pass distribution.
96 passes made long only 48 found a Villa player.
So half the time he kicks to an opponent and half the time to one of our players.

I would maintain that level of discharging needs improvement and would like to hear why you think 50% distribution is superb

[Tayls_7]

So the further you kick/throw a ball, the less accurate it's likely to be? Who knew?

[Toronto Villa]

So the further you kick/throw a ball, the less accurate it's likely to be? Who knew?

Insight innit?

[LeeB]

That game at home to Newcastle last season, his long passing was putting every one of their defenders to shame, he looked like Beckenbauer to their Steve Sims.

[Risso]

His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.

[Somniloquism]

Also, long passes will always be less accurate as it gives more time for a defender to recover. And what constitutes a bad long pass. Is it the first person to touch it or is it if possession is lost? If the first, would Torres pass that was almost intercepted be classed as a bad pass even though Mcginn the played it into Watkins path to score? If the latter, would a mis-control by the striker mean the long pass was incomplete?

[LeeB]

His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.

Correct, and although he may not be No.1 at playing with his feet he's very, very good, and that's on top of being amazing at shot stopping, one on one's, coming off his line and actually catching shots and crosses, and being without a shadow of a doubt, the world leading No.1 in penalty shoot outs and non-violent shithousing.

[Risso]

Also, long passes will always be less accurate as it gives more time for a defender to recover. And what constitutes a bad long pass. Is it the first person to touch it or is it if possession is lost? If the first, would Torres pass that was almost intercepted be classed as a bad pass even though Mcginn the played it into Watkins path to score? If the latter, would a mis-control by the striker mean the long pass was incomplete?

You would expect the majority of long clearances under pressure to go to a defender, by simple reason of the fact that the number of defenders in the opponent's defensive third is nearly always greater than the number of attackers, so it's simple maths.

[Toronto Villa]

On top of the way we are playing with our outfield players often dominating games, it really helps on those occasions where the opponents get through having the best keeper in the world (IMO) at the back to bail us out. And he has. Fucking love Emi.

[LeeB]

He's the best keeper in the world and anyone that disagrees is a clown. IMO.

[Footy-Vill]

His long passing is rated as "strong" on Whoscored, and his overall pass completion rate is 80.3%, more or less the same as Ederson on 81%. Against West Ham, Emi's pass completion success was 89%. So the vast majority of his passes find their intended recipient, but there isn't a keeper in the Premier League who's not forced to punt it up field whilst under pressure occasionally. As I say, his ability on the ball and playing passes is the very foundation on which all our good play is based. We literally couldn't do what we do without him, or another keeper like him, of which there aren't many.

Correct, and although he may not be No.1 at playing with his feet he's very, very good, and that's on top of being amazing at shot stopping, one on one's, coming off his line and actually catching shots and crosses, and being without a shadow of a doubt, the world leading No.1 in penalty shoot outs and non-violent shithousing.

Agree with the bold statement Risso though your stats wise isn't appropriate to the debate as the discussion was around long game and distribution. I had covered the short and medium discharging of the ball already.

Agree with this LB
This is a very accurate summary.
Though I am not a fan of unsporting like behaviour because it is not to my satisfaction, I have come to terms with it and occasionally feel naughty enough to agree on some shenanigans for us to win the game.

[Footy-Vill]

On top of the way we are playing with our outfield players often dominating games, it really helps on those occasions where the opponents get through having the best keeper in the world (IMO) at the back to bail us out. And he has. Fucking love Emi.

He's really improved his awareness to play as Sweeper and that's something he has to do under Emery style of football with a high line.
Definitely can agree there