Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[ktvillan]

Wilson is not a star striker signing, and i don't think Smith sees him as that. If he signs then someone who can weigh in with 8-12 goals a season must be a bonus for 20m. I'm warming to him mainly due to the fact all round the pitch last season we were lacking in premiership experience whether that was the ability to hang onto leads, run down games or just not panic. At 28 with 5 years in the premiership behind him he has the sort of experience we need. The last thing i want is another 4/5 unproven championship/2nd tier foreign players all finding their feet again like last season. Even our most talented players struggled to make the step-up last year - okay, the break from COVID played a part in that, but the team is still crying out for some experience.

You've said before that £20m is worth it for 8-12 goals a season (you mentioned 10 last time).  I genuinely can't understand why you think that when we already have Wesley who was on course for that level of scoring before injury, and even the generally woeful Trezeguet wasn't far off that ratio.  If his all round play is a big step up on the others (and I have my doubts on that)  then you may have a point, but based on getting maybe 10 goals a season, I'd say you don't.  I'd say we need to find some who can get us minimum 15 goals a season - not sure Wilson is that, and not sure we'd get that for  £20m unless we shop abroad. 

[Shrek]

If we are bidding for Wilson, that suggests we don’t have the 100mill budget we all think we do.
He’s not the type of player you buy if you have a big budget and looking to push on imo.

[sickbeggar]

If we are bidding for Wilson, that suggests we don’t have the 100mill budget we all think we do.
He’s not the type of player you buy if you have a big budget and looking to push on imo.

yep, if you have 100 million, why spend 20-25m on watkins/wilson when you can spend 40m on a whole higher level of options?

[Ads]

If Bournemouth accept our bid that's £37m spent on two players. I'll eat my hat if we don't spend £100m.

[ozzjim]

Not signing a couple of forwards going into those first 2 games is a mistake. It may not be costly, but they will have had 9 weeks.

And you can spend a lot of money while still penny pinching that cost you later down the line. O'Neill was brilliant at it. Not pay the money one year, then over pay for the same player a year later.

[sickbeggar]

Wilson is not a star striker signing, and i don't think Smith sees him as that. If he signs then someone who can weigh in with 8-12 goals a season must be a bonus for 20m. I'm warming to him mainly due to the fact all round the pitch last season we were lacking in premiership experience whether that was the ability to hang onto leads, run down games or just not panic. At 28 with 5 years in the premiership behind him he has the sort of experience we need. The last thing i want is another 4/5 unproven championship/2nd tier foreign players all finding their feet again like last season. Even our most talented players struggled to make the step-up last year - okay, the break from COVID played a part in that, but the team is still crying out for some experience.

You've said before that £20m is worth it for 8-12 goals a season (you mentioned 10 last time).  I genuinely can't understand why you think that when we already have Wesley who was on course for that level of scoring before injury, and even the generally woeful Trezeguet wasn't far off that ratio.  If his all round play is a big step up on the others (and I have my doubts on that)  then you may have a point, but based on getting maybe 10 goals a season, I'd say you don't.  I'd say we need to find some who can get us minimum 15 goals a season - not sure Wilson is that, and not sure we'd get that for  £20m unless we shop abroad.

well i don't  see wilson as the striker, just someone who can weigh in and give us a bit of smart up-front and lets be honest we haven't got a forward like that. Obviously if Smith thinks he's a 15 goal a season man then i think he's wrong. For what its worth, I think Wesley injury permitting will find his feet and is certainly capable of 15 goals per season.

[DrGonzo]

If we are bidding for Wilson, that suggests we don’t have the 100mill budget we all think we do.
He’s not the type of player you buy if you have a big budget and looking to push on imo.

Unless you are looking to sign 2 strikers and Wilson is one and Watkins is the other that can also play on the right when required thus giving your squad more balance.

Brentford appear to have already signed a replacement for Watkins the rest is bartering.  A Wilson style big man in the middle to rotate around Wesley when he is back to fitness would seem to make sense.  He may not be my 1st cjoice but I can certainly see the rationale.

[ozzjim]

I think all the noises suggest Wilson will end up at Newcastle anyway. With our owners and stated intent, we should be more attractive than an Ashley/ Bruce combo at Newcastle. We need to do something to change that and attract a different bracket of player.

[Pat Mustard]

Not signing a couple of forwards going into those first 2 games is a mistake. It may not be costly, but they will have had 9 weeks.

And you can spend a lot of money while still penny pinching that cost you later down the line. O'Neill was brilliant at it. Not pay the money one year, then over pay for the same player a year later.

Penny pinching is when you have the money but choose not to spend it. Last year we spent as much as we could/were allowed to in building a team that could just about stay up, this year whatever we spend has to improve the team. It might mean that we miss out on someone who turns out to be worth more down the line, but equally could mean we don’t spend a fortune on someone who turns out to be useless.

[SoccerHQ]

Got to be honest I get the dreaded feeling we'll be going into Sheffield United game with Samatta and Davis as the two striker options just like straight after lockdown.

Hopefully all the midfielders are fully fit for that game as that's our best chance of a goal (or Trez).

Think we'll get 1 in by then.  Whether that's who we were expecting/hoping for is another matter

I think we'll sign Watkins eventually aswell. Problem is going to be lack of preparation, he's not playing for Brentford in any of their friendlies and think we play our last one v Arsenal today.

Hopefully we get one in by next weekend so they can get 90 minutes in the league cup.

[Diablo]

If Bournemouth accept our bid that's £37m spent on two players. I'll eat my hat if we don't spend £100m.

Out of curiosity what kind of hat are we talking about?

[Ads]

If Bournemouth accept our bid that's £37m spent on two players. I'll eat my hat if we don't spend £100m.

Out of curiosity what kind of hat are we talking about?

I don't own a hat so I'm guessing either a nacho hat or one I nick off Tony Pulis.

[aev]

Wolves spending 35m on some teenager. He is from Portugal which is a surprise.

[sickbeggar]

Got to be honest I get the dreaded feeling we'll be going into Sheffield United game with Samatta and Davis as the two striker options just like straight after lockdown.

Hopefully all the midfielders are fully fit for that game as that's our best chance of a goal (or Trez).

Think we'll get 1 in by then.  Whether that's who we were expecting/hoping for is another matter

I think we'll sign Watkins eventually aswell. Problem is going to be lack of preparation, he's not playing for Brentford in any of their friendlies and think we play our last one v Arsenal today.

Hopefully we get one in by next weekend so they can get 90 minutes in the league cup.

yeah. to be honest you think it would be a buyers market in the Championship at least. There must be clubs who have their backs to the wall after 6months with no income.

[ozzjim]

Not signing a couple of forwards going into those first 2 games is a mistake. It may not be costly, but they will have had 9 weeks.

And you can spend a lot of money while still penny pinching that cost you later down the line. O'Neill was brilliant at it. Not pay the money one year, then over pay for the same player a year later.

Penny pinching is when you have the money but choose not to spend it. Last year we spent as much as we could/were allowed to in building a team that could just about stay up, this year whatever we spend has to improve the team. It might mean that we miss out on someone who turns out to be worth more down the line, but equally could mean we don’t spend a fortune on someone who turns out to be useless.

That is more about good the scouting is and your confidence in those targets. A million or 2 over the odds when you are paying over £20 million is not going be the difference between signing a good or useless player.