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Title: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on June 21, 2020, 07:46:16 AM
I appreciate it's a bit early as we don't know what division we will be in but I think it is also relevant to ask why Villa are extending the contracts of Reina and Drinkwater as they are probably adding £100k per week to the wage bill and offering less than sod all between them.  That's one debate.  Seems a really strange decision as I'd rather play the under 23's than Drinkwater.  Dreadful signing, brings experience to the dressing room but nutted Jota and yet we extend the contract?

The second debate is: go down, lose the likes of Grealish, Mings, SJM allowing us to spend a few quid on getting back up.

Stay up, keep them all and add three or four players of quality, including a defensive midfielder, winger and commanding centre back.

I'm bored of Coronavirus, playing behind closed doors, etc, so wanted to add another topic to have something else to talk about, being a forum and all!   It's also officially the first day of Summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2020, 09:33:53 AM
I wasn't even happy with them as stop gaps. If we seem them as part of our plans next season then maybe we aren't as ambitious as we thought. Dreadful idea, two past it abominations.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on June 21, 2020, 10:40:12 AM
Chelsea will have one of the best forward lines in Europe next season so where will that leave Abraham?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
They'll loan him out again, I reckon. Didnt they loan Lukaku for about a decade? If FFP is discounted next year, they'd be better off loaning him next season then selling him the summer after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 21, 2020, 11:25:19 AM
I wasn't even happy with them as stop gaps. If we seem them as part of our plans next season then maybe we aren't as ambitious as we thought. Dreadful idea, two past it abominations.
This.......if Smith is considering keeping these two on board then it is patently clear we are not working to any kind of positive thinking plan . Future recruitment should be determined by prospective recruits falling into our pattern or style of play - unfortunately , despite talking a good game Smith has failed miserably to determine any pattern, style or plan - relegation will be disastrous for the club - I really don't get the confidence shown by others that think we walk back into this league - we only finished 5th last time
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 21, 2020, 11:29:05 AM
I read that as Reina and Drinky having their contracts extended just until the end of July.  Hope I'm right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 21, 2020, 11:31:02 AM
I read that as Reina and Drinky having their contracts extended just until the end of July.  Hope I'm right.
I sincerely hope so
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2020, 11:33:28 AM
Ah, that isn't so bad, then. I still wouldn't bother with Drinkwater but if it is for a matter of weeks, it isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 21, 2020, 11:59:00 AM
I read that as Reina and Drinky having their contracts extended just until the end of July.  Hope I'm right.
Absolutely. Reina was only cover for Heaton's injury. Drinky was - well, I'm not sure!! But he has now failed at Chelsea, Burnley nd Villa; not a candidate for an EPL team surely?!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on June 21, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
I read that as Reina and Drinky having their contracts extended just until the end of July.  Hope I'm right.
I sincerely hope so

I would have thought that too. I canít see they have any business being with us, regardless of what division we are in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Richard on June 21, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
One word - pace

We need much more of it whatever division we are in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2020, 01:12:22 PM
One word - pace

We need much more of it whatever division we are in.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on June 21, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
It would be nice to overwhelm teams again. Much as it pains me, some of the football Wolves were able to play with their speed was brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 01:51:38 PM
Chelsea will have one of the best forward lines in Europe next season so where will that leave Abraham?

Can see someone like Newcastle being in for him if their takeover actually happens. Spurs aswell perhaps if Kane leaves. Given he's one of premier league top scorers he will be leaving for 50-60m so think that sort of signing is well beyond us if we stay up.

If we stay up order is this:

1) Experienced and calm CB who can tell Mings to calm down. There's plenty in europe who wouldn't cost ridiculous money. A Vlaar type would probably improve us at this point so I'd look at someone like Simon Kjaer who's played in many countries. We usually don't go wrong with a Scandinavian CB. Currently on loan to AC Milan from Sevilla. Failing that I actually think Ryan Bennett would be a decent pick up. Been a regular for Wolves last few seasons (unlike Hause) and plenty on their forum were surprised they loaned him out to Leicester in January. Available to buy for 5m.

2) Experienced DM who can hold his position and talk Luiz through games. We'll probably go back in for Kalvin Phillips if Leeds bottle things again (making a good job so far this afternoon) but if not him again there's plenty around in europe. Luca Milivojevic was a great pick up for Palace for example.

3) Good quality wide player. I'd cash in on Trez if there's interested from Beskitas and El Ghazi simply isn't a week in week out prem player. Would give us more pace in final third which I agree we're solely lacking.



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Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on June 21, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Jeff Hendrick on a free might be a good shout

If we stay up I assume it'll be at the expense of Bournemouth and possibly Watford, there's a few there I'd look at. Ake is left-sided but he'd be a good addition. I like Billing also. Harry Wilson (who we should have loaned last Summer) would be an improvement on our wide players.

One of Doucoure and Capoue from Watford would improve our midfield. Sarr is a good player too.

But overall - CB, RB, LB, DM, CM, RW, CF

If we stay up and Grealish is off then Lallana on a free might be an option too
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on June 21, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Jeff Hendrick on a free might be a good shout

If we stay up I assume it'll be at the expense of Bournemouth and possibly Watford, there's a few there I'd look at. Ake is left-sided but he'd be a good addition. I like Billing also. Harry Wilson (who we should have loaned last Summer) would be an improvement on our wide players.

One of Doucoure and Capoue from Watford would improve our midfield. Sarr is a good player too.

But overall - CB, RB, LB, DM, CM, RW, CF

If we stay up and Grealish is off then Lallana on a free might be an option too

I thought Lallana signed an extension 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Lallana is going to Leicester I think.

Bournemouth sign players for ridiculous amounts. Think Ake cost 30m so you'd be looking at more than that. Billing is decent but he's not really a DM, more of a sort of Luiz type so would rather stick with Doug hopefully improving his consistency over next 12 months.

We do need more physical presence in central midfield. Nakamba is pretty average so he should just be a squad player. I remember in January we were linked with Steven N'zonzi but he went to Rennes on loan and we got Drinkwater instead. That's the sort of imposing type we need.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
7 new signings would be a mistake as we'd have another season of trying to integrate new players and I'd worry it would see us in trouble again.

The priorities are:
Replace any key players who want to leave.
Replace Lansbury with someone to give us a bit more fight in the centre of the park.
Replace Jota with someone who can play up front or wide and has bags of pace.
Replace Taylor with someone to compete for starts at left back.

On top of that I'd try to integrate Vassilev, Ramsey, Barry and Archer into the first team squad over the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
Yes we need 3-4 but of much better quality than what we signed last summer. Then the dodgy inconsistant regular starters can go down to the bench and that's how you improve your team e.g El Ghazi.

Ultimately we can't improve every position in the team in one transfer window. Just improving two areas will be big improvement. Last time we did that in a summer transfer window in top division was 2009.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: steamer on June 21, 2020, 03:23:26 PM
There will be two Criteria, What Division we are in and who is the manager
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 03:25:43 PM
There will be two Criteria, What Division we are in and who is the manager

If we go down it will probably be same as last time, buy best players from some other championship teams and loan in some decent premier league players who can't get a game (Tammy, Axel, Snodgrass etc).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 21, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
I appreciate it's a bit early as we don't know what division we will be in

Sadly I think we do know what division we will be in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 21, 2020, 06:20:23 PM
 let's start now searching for a new management team
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on June 21, 2020, 06:29:30 PM
let's start now searching for a new management team

Make that our first signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 21, 2020, 06:46:34 PM
Don't care which players come in. Unless the coaching team (and suso) are potted, what's the point?
Title: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
I think we're going down. You probably do too. The good news this time is that we have gazillionnaire owners who aren't too concerned about the Shumanites or whatever the big man baby was on about. And equally they don't flog MSG and have shit shoes either.

With like £100m+ from sales of Grealish, McGinn and Mings, a relaxed FFP and more money than all the other clubs combined, we have a chance to get in and out of the league without too many noticing. But that depends on recruitment and given how absymal that is, it just wouldn't be the Villa way to do it easy would it? Why spend one season going to tin pot shit holes when you can spend 3!

So whenever the season starts I think this would be our strongest from the current crop, less the 3 mentioned above;

Heaton

Targets
House
Engels
Guilbert

Luiz
Hourihane
Nkamba

El Ghazi
Wesley
Tezuguet

Main areas to strengthen would be up front with pace, out wide with pace, middle of the park with pace, a touch of steel and exprience. And pace.

I'd sign Dwight Gayle as it will at least stop the throbber going on loan and scoring against us, buy a creative central player, some better technical wide players and I think we've got a good shot. Oh and a centre half of James Chester character (but with working knees) and we'd probably come back up. Probably. Maybe. We better had.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 27, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
Eberechi Oluchi Eze From QPR for a start.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
Main areas to strengthen would be up front with pace, out wide with pace, middle of the park with pace, a touch of steel and exprience. And pace.

Basically agree with this but would add more pace.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 04:23:04 PM
Heaton

Targets
House
Engels
Guilbert

Luiz
Hourihane
Nkamba

El Ghazi
Wesley
Tezuguet


Christ, what a horrible team.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2020, 04:31:12 PM
Heaton

Targets
House
Engels
Guilbert

Luiz
Hourihane
Nkamba

El Ghazi
Wesley
Tezuguet


Christ, what a horrible team.

Defensively I think its alright. Heaton is what you need down there. Guilbert is a good player, Targett was pivotal with Fulham and the centre halves are ok.

Douige anchoring is good and we know what Connor does and does not bring, but you'd still have him there in the squad.

Going forwards though its pretty horrible, albeit El Ghazi is fine at that level and I suspect we'd flog Trez.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: LukeJames on June 27, 2020, 04:32:01 PM
Eberechi Oluchi Eze From QPR for a start.

I just said his name and my furniture started floating.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2020, 04:35:12 PM
I'm guessing Gayle only has a year left at Newcastle? Hasn't played much this season but can score 20 + with his eyes closed at championship level. Becomes the squad striker if we come straight back up.

Can see Joe Lolley being a serious target if Forest don't go up. Direct option out wide who can chip in with goals.

Try to find a reliable CB out of favour at prem club like Chester last time. Mentioned Ryan Bennett a few weeks ago, Wolves will sell for 5m.

If DS stays can see Ryan Woods being a target given he likes to sign former players. Think he's on loan at Millwall from Stoke.

Use loan market, odd player from abroad etc.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 04:39:28 PM
On loan at Millwall from Stoke, fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 04:40:02 PM
Defensively I think its alright. Heaton is what you need down there. Guilbert is a good player, Targett was pivotal with Fulham and the centre halves are ok.

Douge anchoring is good and we know what Connor does and does not bring, but you'd still have him there in the squad.

Going forwards though its pretty horrible, albeit El Ghazi is fine at that level and I suspect we'd flog Trez.
Heaton I like.  Guilbert I like.  Targett could be useful because teams down there are not likely to attack as much.  I'd like an experienced centre back next to Engels (assuming Dean goes and Engels comes back into the fold).

Conor was hit and miss last season and it'll be exactly the same next season.  Squad, rather than first team, for me.  Nkamba, who knows?  He hasn't impressed me that much.  Luiz will be our trump card assuming he stays.

AEG was hit and miss last season too.  He had a fine end to the season but before that not so much.  Trez is shit.

Wesley, Davis, Samatta.  They're all basically the same player.  Flog one if we can and get two pace merchants in.

Jack will be impossible to replace.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
At Championship level the current squad net of the 2 or 3 key players we will lose will be just fine. That is good enough to compete at the top end of the table with a good manager. What we need to ensure is that the players we bring in add pace and energy. There are players like McGinn our there who stood out at that level. If/when we get back up the recruitment needs to far, far better. Not numbers. But genuine quality.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 27, 2020, 04:50:47 PM
On loan at Millwall from Stoke, fucking hell.

Well everyone was raving about him in his Brentford days on here. Stoke move simply didn't work out.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 04:53:03 PM
We absolutely need pace irrespective of what league weíre in.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Agreed -  the only real asset we have is Grealish. Doug will go too I think. It would be typical of us to bring in Gayle and the cnut tops coring.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2020, 05:13:02 PM
edit - stops scoring!
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
Don't see Luiz dropping down a division and stopping with us. For the relative pittance of the buyback fee, Citeh will prob have him back and loan him out again.

Much as he's been ropey for us, Engels has played in the top division in France and Belgium so will have offers from elsewhere. We'll probably sell at a loss there.

Heaton I don't see demanding to leave. But on Premier League wages, we'd prob need to consider any reasonable offers.

So those departures plus the more obvious ones like Grealish, McGinn and Mings mean we'll effectively be starting from scratch.

Wesley could be the wildcard.  Depending on where he's at with his rehab, we might get the benefit of him up until the January transfer window.  A letdown in the top flight, but one division down might be a different story altogether.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Yes I canít see Douglas staying sadly.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 05:25:05 PM
I think Mings and SJM will go.  Okay neither has had a stellar season but they have shown what they can do at their best and I'm sure some clubs will want to get them in for a relatively cheaper price.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Des Little on June 27, 2020, 05:41:37 PM
Axel still nowhere near the United squad, is he injured?
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 05:44:29 PM
In fact I can very much see Douglas being this yearís Adama. Weíll look on with regret in future.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.

McGinn leaving for <£3m?! Wow.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Des Little on June 27, 2020, 05:46:03 PM
Iíd be amazed if Mings, Jack, McGinn and Luiz arenít already spoken for elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
I think the purported release of some players will be just as a technical business as fully expect several of these to be playing for villa if it has to be Championship football
OíHare,Green and  Hepburn-Murphy.
Those 3 should be kept on. And I say they will if we get relegated . You just see.
And look at Gary Gardner can we swap him back with Jota
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: brontebilly on June 27, 2020, 06:26:07 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Luiz all will go anyway.

The following appear to have a year left on their contracts, Elmo, Davis, Jota, Lansbury, Taylor, Bree, Nyland. Would keep first two, rest of them aren't good enough for second tier although Lansbury's wages likely to be a problem to shift.

I'll assume Trez will go anyway, AEG, Wes, Samatta who knows what kind of clauses could be in place. Wes injury won't exactly help matters trying to flog him.

So your starting the season with
Heaton/Steer
Elmo/Guilbert
Engels, Konsa, Hause
Targett
Hourihane, Nakamba, Ramsey
AEG, Wes, Samatta, Davis

With the right additions it's still going to be a reasonable squad in the second tier under the right management.

Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: JJ-AV on June 27, 2020, 06:30:59 PM
Try and keep McGinn.

Jeff Hendrick (if we can convince him to drop)
Eze
Lolley
Gayle

And a couple of Premier League loans to bolster the squad

That'd be a good start
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.

McGinn leaving for <£3m?! Wow.

Current prices we are picking up the thick end of £175m in selling Jack, Mings, McGinn and Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2020, 06:41:30 PM
McGinn might be the one to stick around. The meatball is perhaps the least likely to rock anyboats, his international career isn't dependent on Premier League football and if nobody is willing to pay £30m plus- do we need to sell when Jack et al are bringing in £100m?

Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2020, 06:43:00 PM
Inevitably Grealish (about £65 million, Mings (£35 million), McGinn (£25-30 million) and Luiz (£20m back to Man City) will all leave. The idea McGinn was good to December then nothing is somewhat caveated with a broken leg, so I would expect someone will pay some good money for him still, and he will want to go. Mings is the only one I can see saying he will stay to get us back, I think he likes belonging somewhere.

Trezeguet will go to Turkey, and no chance will El Ghazi stay.

This season our 2 biggest issues have been pace through the team, and having a lack of shape and plan at the back. With that in mind we need to get an experienced leader into the back 4. A player like that James Chester would be good at that level!

We need a fast full back that can play right or left, then we need 2 strong, fast, direct wingers that can carry us forward. We are pathetically pedestrian.

Up top Wesley and Samatta will both score if you have wide players that will create.

Eze to replace Grealish is a must too. Fabulous player.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2020, 06:46:35 PM
McGinn with Leicester or Wolves in the champions League that's the move I see for him.
Exactly why we don't want either to qualify for that.
I could also see Mings at Leicester City ,

I'm sure the likes of Palace and Leeds looking for some deals for some of our players outside of our best players

Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: aj2k77 on June 27, 2020, 06:47:25 PM
Watkins from Brentford if he doesn't get snapped up. Right age, quick, eye for goal.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
We sell quite expensive. Milner stupidity aside, we don't tend to have our pants pulled down. We saw off Spurs with Grealish and Benteke and of course, the great Weasel Robbery where we mugged the Scousers with all the proficiency of that crew out of Heat.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Luke8 on June 27, 2020, 06:52:39 PM
I donít think there is any chance that Eze is playing in the Championship next year.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2020, 06:56:22 PM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.

McGinn leaving for <£3m?! Wow.


I don't think he's leaving. But trying to look at it impartially, what sort of signing would he be for someone else? "Yeah, he looked good in the Championship the season before last, but didn't particularly stand out in the PL, ran out of steam before Christmas, and then was out for months with an injury". It'd be the sort of signing which if we made it from a relegated side, I bet most of us on here would consider it uninspiring at best.

His worth to Aston Villa is far greater than what the market will determine, in my opinion. He's not done enough yet.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.

McGinn leaving for <£3m?! Wow.

Current prices we are picking up the thick end of £175m in selling Jack, Mings, McGinn and Luiz.

No chance.

About £30-35m for Jack, and about 15 for McGinn.

We would be lucky to get our money back for Mings who has been extremely disappointing at this level and certainly not worth the fee we spent.

Given our wage bill and the reduced income we will not have much to spend without having ffp issues. We need a better manager than Smith and a better DOF than Suso. Given the steadfast refusal to accept this we probably need a better chairman than Purslow too.

That squad minus Jack has no chance of going back up without better coaching and management, and some additions. No way is Wesley / Samara / Davis good enough to score many in the Championship. So top of the list is a striker, followed by anyone that can tackle in midfield and anyone with pace.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 27, 2020, 07:05:48 PM
McGinn might be the one to stick around. The meatball is perhaps the least likely to rock anyboats, his international career isn't dependent on Premier League football and if nobody is willing to pay £30m plus- do we need to sell when Jack et al are bringing in £100m?

Iíve been the same about McGinn. Whilst the broken ankle has definitely damaged our prospects this season, it might actually work in our favour in terms of us keeping him. The idea of a Man U coming in for him just doesnít seem realistic now, compared to when Fergie was touting him in September.
My ideal would be a combination of players with the potential to hone their game in the championship but with enough quality to step up if we got promoted alongside some older heads. Saying that weíll have to also keep some of the current squad.

I think
Heaton with either steer or nyland as understudy would be fine

Guilbert and Targett for that division would be fine and Guilbert in particular could step up back to the premier with another year under his belt.
Hause would be ok in that league with someone experienced beside him, someone like a Duffy if he would come. I do also think Hause
has potential to get better.

Midfield needs an overhaul, Luiz would excel in that division, but I have a feeling heíll go. I think El Ghazi and Trez can and will go and Hourihane is a squad player even in championship. Maybe  nakamba  may fimd his level a league below, as said above hopefully we can keep McGinn. A new combative and creative centre midfielder that can step up if we go up is a must and two wingers.

Up front, with nurturing and coaching Wes could come good, but have to have one or two more who can take burden off. Samatta may score goals in championship and we would need another.

I think we need to move away from just buying the better players in that league, like Lolley. Been there and done that with Lansbury, hourihane, hogan etc. We also need to integrate Vassilel and Barry into the squad.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 27, 2020, 07:18:01 PM
However much we get, if we keep the same recruitment staff and manager it will get wasted.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
However much we get, if we keep the same recruitment staff and manager it will get wasted.
Yep, as underwhelming as many of them are, I'd rather keep the squad and ditch the manager.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 27, 2020, 07:33:09 PM
We need to follow wolves example and recruit players too good for the championship, yes they have the links with Mendes but they still went to a 2nd tier team. We need to sell the vision of the club and offer big promotion bonuses.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: aj2k77 on June 27, 2020, 07:38:18 PM
It's all immaterial if the scouting isn't sorted out. Wesley was crap for £25m, everyone can agree on that. We are in dire need of a forward in January, what do we do? Buy the player that we deemed not as good as Wesley the previous transfer window.

Too much money spent on players who did Ok at mid table or struggling clubs in poor leagues.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Des Little on June 27, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
However much we get, if we keep the same recruitment staff and manager it will get wasted.

Nail on head. Getting shot of Suso has to be a priority.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 11:12:44 PM
I reckon Wesley might flourish in the Championship.

But most importantly we need pace throughout the team.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Newby on June 27, 2020, 11:22:01 PM
I reckon Wesley might flourish in the Championship.

But most importantly we need pace throughout the team.

And physicality.  We are piss weak in the challenge.  A commanding centre back wouldn't go amiss either.
Of course, before any of this can happen, we have to get rid of the stench of defeat.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Luke8 on June 27, 2020, 11:26:14 PM
It's all immaterial if the scouting isn't sorted out. Wesley was crap for £25m, everyone can agree on that. We are in dire need of a forward in January, what do we do? Buy the player that we deemed not as good as Wesley the previous transfer window.

Too much money spent on players who did Ok at mid table or struggling clubs in poor leagues.

Obviously itís easy to say with hindsight it could have been better, and the people involved are not blameless, but the issue with the recruitment was that we needed so much, so quickly without that much money to do it really. 

Thatís probably about par for a player of Wesleys age and ability. Scoring record doesnít compare that badly to other similar players signed last summer. And I think we have missed him.

January wasnít good. But we were forced to change plans pretty late on due to three long terms injuries. And again, money was clearly an issue.

Iím not saying the recruitment was great - it clearly wasnít - but we were in a terrible position in that we needed 10-12 players. We couldnít go 5/6 higher quality players as we wouldnít have had a squad.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: themossman on June 27, 2020, 11:38:32 PM
The one positive out of this pathetic excuse for a season is that we get another chance to ignore FFP, sell the family silver and buy our way back into the PL.

The downside is it feels just as likely weíll fuck it all up and be stranded in the lower leagues forever.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2020, 12:26:32 AM
McGinn might be the one to stick around. The meatball is perhaps the least likely to rock anyboats, his international career isn't dependent on Premier League football and if nobody is willing to pay £30m plus- do we need to sell when Jack et al are bringing in £100m?



I think we'll keep likes of Heaton and McGinn up to January, possibly Mings aswell although euros being delayed to next summer probably won't help there. Despite what people think of him now he's still a regular in England squad and given his late entry into senior football you can understand him not wanting to give up that chance.

When Stoke went down people thought likes of Butland and Joe Allen would be straight out. Two years on they're both still there although hasnot done Stoke much good.

Fulham also kept Mitrovic which was big surprise to me. West Brom kept a decent core of Rodriguez, Dawson etc and then sold them when they lost out to us

Don't see a fire sale at all. Solving the Grealish void will be tough though considering the rare bits of quality play we have always goes through him and it was the same in the championship. Not sure this manager will have the answer for that personally.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2020, 12:30:59 AM
I look skyward, I see no vultures...
Re the £100m funding, I'm not so sure. On what they've produced in this division, I don't envisage many suitors for either Mings or McGinn. The latter's made as much impression as Brett Holman, ie quite good up until December. Bruce might take him off our hands for what we paid. And I'd be surprised if any teams above Brighton currently think Mings is an answer to their problems.

McGinn leaving for <£3m?! Wow.


I don't think he's leaving. But trying to look at it impartially, what sort of signing would he be for someone else? "Yeah, he looked good in the Championship the season before last, but didn't particularly stand out in the PL, ran out of steam before Christmas, and then was out for months with an injury". It'd be the sort of signing which if we made it from a relegated side, I bet most of us on here would consider it uninspiring at best.

His worth to Aston Villa is far greater than what the market will determine, in my opinion. He's not done enough yet.

Rodgers would probably take him at Leicester given he was desperate to sign him for Celtic and Leicester will need more depth for europe. They might offer someone like Demiray Gray in the deal although he hasn't really kicked on in his career.

Can see Mings being a target for them or West Ham or Everton.

Suppose one thing we don't know is who signed last summer who has a release clause in their deal if relegation occurs. Given the squad will have to take pay cuts you'd assume some of them will have it just like Gana did last time.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2020, 12:52:59 AM
There's worlds of difference between signing for Celtic and signing for Leicester these days.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: robbo1874 on June 28, 2020, 01:54:34 AM
Iím torn on this. I think the main issue is what happens with Smith. Firstly I think he has what 3 years left on his contract? I really donít want to go through the whole changing the manager business again. Weíd be paying him out, plus paying (probably) compo for a new man.

Secondly, whilst itís pretty clear the current managerial setup is not  good enough for the premiership, heís somewhat proven in the championship.

Thirdly, what we lacked when were down last time was any kind of continuity, which cost us I think.

Iíd be tempted to stick with DS for these reasons on the management side. Maybe shake up the coaching staff a bit, as I think that is a big part of whatís not right at the moment. I donít think DS will be sacked if we go down. Iíd be tempted to shift Terry out. I donít think DS really wanted him and I donít think they get on that well. The fallings out are not necessarily a bad thing if it leads to improvement, but it doesnít seem to have.

On the playing side, I really donít know. Weíve tried so many different approaches the last few years, I think with probably the exception of using homegrown academy / U23 players. I do think we probably will need to have a bit of a cull. Letís say minimum Grealish goes and likely McGinn, with maybe Mings and Luis. The rest of them are probably championship quality if weíre honest, so should be good enough to get us challenging.

Iíd be looking to bring through the youth / u23 players and try to build something. Trying to buy success just hasnít worked the last few years. We need a different approach.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2020, 02:03:45 AM
You can't relegate us and keep your job. We are Aston Villa, ffs.

Maybe if our supporters didn't act so small time we wouldn't play like it so often.

You'd think we were Barnsley, Swindon, West Brom or some other nonsense club enjoying a day out in the top flight rather than a club that should be competing to win it.

The idea of someone relegating a club of our stature and keeping his job is as laughable as it is nauseating.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: robbo1874 on June 28, 2020, 02:51:45 AM
You can laugh and feel sick if you feel that way. I just think it will be costly to get rid of and replace him and I think heís a pretty good manager at championship level and I think replacing him would be a bigger gamble than keeping him.

 The time for him to be sacked was around Christmas time and that came and went. I really would keep him and then if we did go straight back up, give him til November at least the following season. He will have learnt from this season, I think.

For me itís better the devil you know, if we do go down. Iíve said, heís probably not premier league quality, but heís good enough to get back there and have a second crack at it. We can change other things without necessarily changing the manager for it to work. Who would you have instead of DS?
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: OzVilla on June 28, 2020, 03:15:25 AM
Iím sure heís a lovely man but Smith has done a terrible job this season, from recruiting (which he would have had a hand in) to team selection, formation, game management (canít recall a manager costing us as many points from winning situations due to their decisions), tactical naivety, inability to be flexible in game the list goes on and on and on. Easily our worst performer and theres been plenty to choose from.

If we go down, the lionís share of the blame is his. If we kept him on what does that say about us?
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: robbo1874 on June 28, 2020, 04:21:47 AM
Canít disagree with most of what you say, itís been plain to see. But after giving him a 4 year deal the club either bottled it or backed their man when he probably should have gone around Christmas time. If by some miracle we do stay up, bizarre as it might sound, I think there is a stronger case to bring someone else in for next season than if we go down. If we go down, I just think it would be a bigger gamble to change manager after heís already got us promoted once. A lot of other things appear to require change though and I think will be hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: tony scott on June 28, 2020, 04:50:08 AM
I just never understood thee new 4 year contract, unless it includes relegation clauses doesnít make sense. I assume the reason DS hasnít been fired itís because a good case has been made for continuity. It might work, but the longer this bad  run continues the less likely the owners will buy it.   I have some sympathy for DS coming from a Villa supporting Family must bring even more pressure.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: robbo1874 on June 28, 2020, 05:47:13 AM
I have a bit of sympathy for him too. But not a great deal. Weíve been shit this season, as most predicted we would be. Many on here, me included, said weíd be happy with 17th place before the season started. If  it doesnít happen (and thereís still hope yet, but starting to look out of reach) heís got to accept most of the responsibility and help put it right.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2020, 06:40:58 AM
sentimentality is the enemy of success.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: ROBBO on June 28, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
Apart from Grealish i cannot see a stampede to buy any of our players, Louiz may be the exeption because unlike all the others he has improved as the season has gone on.
McGinn like Grealish had a good start to the season but his form was well below par before the injury, there were many calling for him to be rested.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
You can't relegate us and keep your job. We are Aston Villa, ffs.

Maybe if our supporters didn't act so small time we wouldn't play like it so often.

You'd think we were Barnsley, Swindon, West Brom or some other nonsense club enjoying a day out in the top flight rather than a club that should be competing to win it.

The idea of someone relegating a club of our stature and keeping his job is as laughable as it is nauseating.

Agree 100%.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 28, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
Does Louie Barry have pace?
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Richard E on June 28, 2020, 09:25:09 AM
You can't relegate us and keep your job. We are Aston Villa, ffs.

Maybe if our supporters didn't act so small time we wouldn't play like it so often.

You'd think we were Barnsley, Swindon, West Brom or some other nonsense club enjoying a day out in the top flight rather than a club that should be competing to win it.

The idea of someone relegating a club of our stature and keeping his job is as laughable as it is nauseating.

Too right. We need to stop accepting mediocrity and being plucky losers. We are not West Bromwich bloody Albion. Can you believe we were all expecting-not just acknowledging that we might - expecting to, lose yesterday to Wolves. Wolves. Bloody Wolves. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2020, 09:48:59 AM
that's the Wolves that are simply light years ahead of us in terms of management structure, player recruitment, strategy, tactics etc etc? You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: Richard E on June 28, 2020, 09:51:14 AM
Yes, but how the hell have we arrived at a situation where Wolverhampton sodding Wanderers are light years ahead of us?

Edit - heart is posting this morning, not head. Iím just so f***ed off with it all.
Title: Re: Summer/Autumn Transfer Thread & Championship Plotting
Post by: ROBBO on June 28, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 28, 2020, 10:27:37 AM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?

You just need to sell your soul to a "super agent".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 28, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?

You just need to sell your soul to a "super agent".

There isn't much of a soul left to sell in football is there?  If we're going to be in it, you have to be better at it than everybody else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2020, 10:36:51 AM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?

You just need to sell your soul to a "super agent".

I bet Wolves fans are devastated at what's become of their club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 28, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?

You just need to sell your soul to a "super agent".

I bet Wolves fans are devastated at what's become of their club.

My gloating uncle seems especially upset.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 28, 2020, 10:52:01 AM
When we go down the leave column
- Jack, Mings, McGinn, Luiz - circa £160m IN
- Trezeguet and El Ghazi £15m approx

Then rest stay imo.
Back 5 of
Heaton
Guilbert, Konsa, Hause, Targett

Even with no stutter recruitment here this is not bad at all.

The midfield is going to be the massive issue. Can see us only being left with
Hourihane, Nakamba and Jota

Strikers:
Wesley will stay, purely based on whose gonna spend that kind of money on someone coming back from an ACL.
Samatta - id guess will leave

Wesley, Davis and Barry - buy one more striker and weíre good here.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
Wesley, a bloke who hasn't scored in three years and a child. The new Striker had better be the real deal in that case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on June 28, 2020, 10:55:26 AM
You can't relegate us and keep your job. We are Aston Villa, ffs.

Maybe if our supporters didn't act so small time we wouldn't play like it so often.

You'd think we were Barnsley, Swindon, West Brom or some other nonsense club enjoying a day out in the top flight rather than a club that should be competing to win it.

The idea of someone relegating a club of our stature and keeping his job is as laughable as it is nauseating.

Too right. We need to stop accepting mediocrity and being plucky losers. We are not West Bromwich bloody Albion. Can you believe we were all expecting-not just acknowledging that we might - expecting to, lose yesterday to Wolves. Wolves. Bloody Wolves. Jesus wept.

Paul Lambert started this mentality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 28, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Targets and House should be nowhere near our team next season!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2020, 11:07:34 AM
Axl we all need a target and a house in life.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2020, 11:10:28 AM
Yes, but how the hell have we arrived at a situation where Wolverhampton sodding Wanderers are light years ahead of us?

Edit - heart is posting this morning, not head. Iím just so f***ed off with it all.

They sign players with 100 + caps for Portugal. Year before he joined Moutinho was a regular for Monaco when they got to CL semi finals.

Been a long old time since we signed a player of that standing who wasn't totally past it. Need to start signing players of that ilk next time we get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2020, 11:17:59 AM
Targets and House should be nowhere near our team next season!

Southampton's 3rd choice left back and a Wolves player that couldn't get anywhere near the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 28, 2020, 11:21:01 AM
Axl we all need a target and a house in life.

We do mate, I agree. Targets are better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
if Bruce is still in charge i can see some deal for McGinn plus players - the gimlet eyed dwarf for one, plus Hayden etc
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Luke8 on June 28, 2020, 11:54:18 AM
Targets and House should be nowhere near our team next season!

Southampton's 3rd choice left back and a Wolves player that couldn't get anywhere near the squad.

We signed Hause for what, £3 million? Essentially as fourth choice centre back and it gave us some continuity. Iím not sure we could have improved much on that.

I think he has shown enough that he would be useful next season within the squad if we did go down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: rogfromb6 on June 28, 2020, 12:01:19 PM
Yes, but how the hell have we arrived at a situation where Wolverhampton sodding Wanderers are light years ahead of us?

Edit - heart is posting this morning, not head. Iím just so f***ed off with it all.

They sign players with 100 + caps for Portugal. Year before he joined Moutinho was a regular for Monaco when they got to CL semi finals.

Been a long old time since we signed a player of that standing who wasn't totally past it. Need to start signing players of that ilk next time we get promoted.

Players like Moutinho and Neves are not signing for most premier league teams let alone Championship teams. Wolves had a unique set up that canít be replicated very easily.

Sheff Utd have managed to stay up with players that most people would assess as Championship level but they have proved to be a very effective team.

We can do a lot better with our recruitment for sure but we absolutely need much better coaching next year. For whatever reason coaches who are progessive and cutting edge elsewhere immediately turn to shite in B6.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2020, 12:04:16 PM
Forestieri at Wednesday is available on a free this summer/ autumn.

Dwight Gayle looks like a no brainer as well if we do drop (and maybe even if we don't).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 28, 2020, 12:18:41 PM
Targets and House should be nowhere near our team next season!

Southampton's 3rd choice left back and a Wolves player that couldn't get anywhere near the squad.

We signed Hause for what, £3 million? Essentially as fourth choice centre back and it gave us some continuity. Iím not sure we could have improved much on that.

I think he has shown enough that he would be useful next season within the squad if we did go down.

I'm surprised Hause hasn't been given a run at left back.  He played a few games there in the Championship, and looked pretty handy.  Hard to see him being much worse than Targett in any case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
Did we spend £17 million on Targett?  Utter madness.

Looked promising at Fulham  - and might still look reasonable one level down.

But at that price you need something far closer to the finished article.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 28, 2020, 12:23:22 PM
It was 14m I think. And surprisingly Suso was the one who pushed to sign him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2020, 12:30:24 PM
When you see how much we spent on Trez and Jota, why the hell did we not give RHM and COH a place in the squad and play them? They can't have been any worse! and in fact may well have been very good.
And, seeing Lansbury holding a squad place all season boils my blood.
There have been some fcukin' weird recruitment decisions!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
How many transfers are driven by whatís good for the club as opposed to what's good for the agent and friends.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Luke8 on June 28, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Targets and House should be nowhere near our team next season!

Southampton's 3rd choice left back and a Wolves player that couldn't get anywhere near the squad.

We signed Hause for what, £3 million? Essentially as fourth choice centre back and it gave us some continuity. Iím not sure we could have improved much on that.

I think he has shown enough that he would be useful next season within the squad if we did go down.

I'm surprised Hause hasn't been given a run at left back.  He played a few games there in the Championship, and looked pretty handy.  Hard to see him being much worse than Targett in any case.

I donít think he is good enough on the ball to play at full back. Targett, for his faults, has at least offered something reasonable going forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 28, 2020, 04:40:20 PM
Whichever way you look at it, it's a complete and utter shitshow!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on June 28, 2020, 08:52:58 PM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 28, 2020, 11:29:55 PM
Iíd be asking Man United to sell us Axel.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 28, 2020, 11:44:52 PM
Nathaniel Clyne released by Liverpool. He seemed decent a few years back but hasn't had many chances recently with Alexander-Arnold and Robertson establishing themselves as well some injuries issues. Might be worth signing if we stay up, full-back who can play on either side and still only 29.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on June 29, 2020, 07:44:21 AM
Nathaniel Clyne released by Liverpool. He seemed decent a few years back but hasn't had many chances recently with Alexander-Arnold and Robertson establishing themselves as well some injuries issues. Might be worth signing if we stay up, full-back who can play on either side and still only 29.

That's a decent shout.  Watch Warnock snap him up and turn him into a ten million pound player!  Jordon Ibe released by Bournemouth.  The price tag probably weighed heavy but there is a player in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2020, 09:58:18 AM
Nathaniel Clyne released by Liverpool. He seemed decent a few years back but hasn't had many chances recently with Alexander-Arnold and Robertson establishing themselves as well some injuries issues. Might be worth signing if we stay up, full-back who can play on either side and still only 29.

That's a decent shout.  Watch Warnock snap him up and turn him into a ten million pound player!  Jordon Ibe released by Bournemouth.  The price tag probably weighed heavy but there is a player in there somewhere.
Like Tonev
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
Has anyone dropped in on the transfer thread on Villatalk? Some of them are convinced we will be signing at least three £30m players even if we go down. Nurse!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on June 29, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
I think they have a lots of children on VT. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holte132 on June 29, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
Apparently we are looking to extend Drinkwater's loan with us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2020, 12:26:54 PM
Apparently we are looking to extend Drinkwater's loan with us.

Jesus. If thatís the case then weíve entered the nihilist phase of the managerial narrative arc. The only good news is that it tends not to last too long.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on June 29, 2020, 12:48:02 PM
If we can stay up I would definitely be in for Todd Cantwell, if Norwich go down or not, exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
Regardless of what happens this season any attacking signings we make need to consider the development goals for Barry, Archer, Ramsey and Vassilev, if we do go down I'd like to see all of them get 20-30 appearances next season. We need to be better at identifying young players worth developing and then giving them the chance to become part of the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 29, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Well said Paul and when we do play them we allow them to forge their own identity.  RHM had fantastic potential when he was being RHM burrowing into defences, snapping at half chances.  When he tried to be a silky smooth glider through a defence he stopped improving.  Ditto when Andre tried to be a younger Stuart Downing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: robbo1874 on June 29, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
The only comfort is that wolves have done it in a couple of years, good management, good scouting. Now where do we find these people?
Wolves?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Todd Cantwell has a touch of the Grealishes, I imagine he will move to a PL club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 29, 2020, 06:31:17 PM
Regardless of what happens this season any attacking signings we make need to consider the development goals for Barry, Archer, Ramsey and Vassilev, if we do go down I'd like to see all of them get 20-30 appearances next season. We need to be better at identifying young players worth developing and then giving them the chance to become part of the squad.
Damn right, Paul.
When you see how much we spent on Trez and Jota for such little on-pitch return, why the hell did we not give RHM and COH a place in the squad and play them?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 29, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
because neither are remotely good enough for the PL and possibly the Championship too - but then neither are Jota or Trez.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tony scott on June 29, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Jack is not as effective in recent games ,our other midfielders are all talented, is it not possible to choose another to play through at the moment,because we are at the try anything stage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2020, 10:33:16 PM
because neither are remotely good enough for the PL and possibly the Championship too - but then neither are Jota or Trez.

Who knows. After we were relegated last time players like them should've been given regular game time to see if they could settle in. Across the 3 years we could easily have given them 60-70 appearances and known for sure. Instead we paid a fucking fortune to shit like Hogan and McCormack and built our team around temporary players like Abraham and Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 30, 2020, 07:51:12 AM
This summer has to be the one where we inject some bloody pace into the team. We have been way too slow for way too long.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 30, 2020, 08:11:53 AM
Prob have not a hope to get him but we should be going all out for angel gomes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2020, 08:56:26 AM
because neither are remotely good enough for the PL and possibly the Championship too - but then neither are Jota or Trez.
The comparison with Trez and Jota was the point!
We spent c.£10m on two hopeless recruits when we already had 2 lads in the camp that would probably have been slightly more effective.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on June 30, 2020, 09:27:46 AM
Therein you have the nub of the problem.  We have money.  We waste money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2020, 11:34:55 AM
Mister E the 2 players referred to were never deemed suitable.  O'Hare has done ok for Coventry and RHM has done doing of note anywhere. Trez and Jota are demonstrably better players as they have a track record, the problem is they have been hugely underwhelming for us, something you can level at most players who have joined us in recent times.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on June 30, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
Who remembers the halcyon days of the 'high press'?  I'm going back a bit I know...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cannock villa on June 30, 2020, 12:14:24 PM
This summer has to be the one where we inject some bloody pace into the team. We have been way too slow for way too long.
We need to find a young Adama Traore, oh wait :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
yes but when he was here that was his only attribute - as quick as an Exocet but nothing else and he wouldn't have been of any use to us at all in the chumps. at least albert contributed - spectacularly so when he carried us almost single handedly to the play offs.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2020, 12:37:01 PM
Who remembers the halcyon days of the 'high press'?  I'm going back a bit I know...

The press, traps in midfield, jumpers for goalposts...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
Mister E the 2 players referred to were never deemed suitable.  O'Hare has done ok for Coventry and RHM has done doing of note anywhere. Trez and Jota are demonstrably better players as they have a track record, the problem is they have been hugely underwhelming for us, something you can level at most players who have joined us in recent times.
I'm not sure they were given much of a chance.
My point stands: we wasted £10m on 2 players when we could have given the same sort of game-time to players with potential from within the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 30, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.

Agreed on all three....if we get relegated. Snodgrass is out of contract this summer I think aswell. Duffy at Brighton too as RCB, annoys me playing for Ireland but a big brute at the back is a must for the Championship. Presume Engels will be off either way really.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2020, 06:25:40 PM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.

Agreed on all three....if we get relegated. Snodgrass is out of contract this summer I think aswell. Duffy at Brighton too as RCB, annoys me playing for Ireland but a big brute at the back is a must for the Championship. Presume Engels will be off either way really.


Problem is with Snoddy and Albrighton is they are both quite slow. I'd take them, but you still need to get some pace in there or it will become very predictable. I think in the champ if he stays Wesley will be a big player for us. Hourihane will get us a number of points on his own with his left peg, but we need to keep a couple of willing runners around him in the middle of the park. Not having Jack will mean changing how we play which might help us shape wise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Big Ming on July 01, 2020, 07:05:47 PM
Mister E the 2 players referred to were never deemed suitable.  O'Hare has done ok for Coventry and RHM has done doing of note anywhere. Trez and Jota are demonstrably better players as they have a track record, the problem is they have been hugely underwhelming for us, something you can level at most players who have joined us in recent times.
I'm not sure they were given much of a chance.
My point stands: we wasted £10m on 2 players when we could have given the same sort of game-time to players with potential from within the club.

Jota has only ever been played wide right as far as I can remember.
He's no winger. he doesn't have the speed.
IMO, he would be worth a go as a tresquartista/No 10.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2020, 09:41:28 PM
Mister E the 2 players referred to were never deemed suitable.  O'Hare has done ok for Coventry and RHM has done doing of note anywhere. Trez and Jota are demonstrably better players as they have a track record, the problem is they have been hugely underwhelming for us, something you can level at most players who have joined us in recent times.
I'm not sure they were given much of a chance.
My point stands: we wasted £10m on 2 players when we could have given the same sort of game-time to players with potential from within the club.

Jota has only ever been played wide right as far as I can remember.
He's no winger. he doesn't have the speed.
IMO, he would be worth a go as a tresquartista/No 10.
He'd require a very good team around him. Which we don't have.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 01, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.

Agreed on all three....if we get relegated. Snodgrass is out of contract this summer I think aswell. Duffy at Brighton too as RCB, annoys me playing for Ireland but a big brute at the back is a must for the Championship. Presume Engels will be off either way really.


Problem is with Snoddy and Albrighton is they are both quite slow. I'd take them, but you still need to get some pace in there or it will become very predictable. I think in the champ if he stays Wesley will be a big player for us. Hourihane will get us a number of points on his own with his left peg, but we need to keep a couple of willing runners around him in the middle of the park. Not having Jack will mean changing how we play which might help us shape wise.

I don't see a footballer at all in big Wes
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 01, 2020, 10:53:50 PM
I think he's far better than Samatta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 01, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
It seems so long ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on July 01, 2020, 11:56:58 PM
Injured players get a lot better when they ainít playing. The Wesley I remember was mostly garbage until the injury. Not saying the kid canít come on mind - heíll be a right handful in the Championship if he can mix it with the centre halves you find in that league
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: nordenvillain on July 02, 2020, 12:02:10 AM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.

Agreed on all three....if we get relegated. Snodgrass is out of contract this summer I think aswell. Duffy at Brighton too as RCB, annoys me playing for Ireland but a big brute at the back is a must for the Championship. Presume Engels will be off either way really.


Problem is with Snoddy and Albrighton is they are both quite slow. I'd take them, but you still need to get some pace in there or it will become very predictable. I think in the champ if he stays Wesley will be a big player for us. Hourihane will get us a number of points on his own with his left peg, but we need to keep a couple of willing runners around him in the middle of the park. Not having Jack will mean changing how we play which might help us shape wise.

I don't see a footballer at all in big Wes
I saw a player having his best game so far until Ben Mee decided to finish his season with a dreadful tackle. For probably the first time, I saw Wesley playing with confidence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2020, 12:11:53 AM
Wesley won't hang around he harbours Brazil international ambitions
 I remember the initial excitement upon hearing the record signing of him.
Then I saw him play
He won't have any interest or desire to play championship football yet funnily enough that's about his level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2020, 07:53:53 AM
Not inclined to write Wesley off just yet. I mean he's  taken a huge step-up from Belgium and at 23 you're not the finished product. Abraham didn't hit the premiership floor running either. Wrong player to buy at the time undoubtably, but he's the sort of player we'll offload for a loss only to see him back in the premiership for 60m in 2 years time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2020, 08:58:12 AM
Not inclined to write Wesley off just yet. I mean he's  taken a huge step-up from Belgium and at 23 you're not the finished product. Abraham didn't hit the premiership floor running either. Wrong player to buy at the time undoubtably, but he's the sort of player we'll offload for a loss only to see him back in the premiership for 60m in 2 years time.
He'd scored 5 goals when he got injured; may have doubled that in the course of a whole season. Not a bad first-season return.
The challenge was that we were not set up to play to his style of football. He needs runners playing off him, not wingers humping the ball into the 6 yard box.
He looks like a player we bought not having decided on our footballing strategy and style of play.

Acquiring players needs to be done in the context of a bigger picture: not just because a player has a good record elsewhere or looks like 'a good deal'; or is offered by a favoured agent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 02, 2020, 09:05:05 AM
After his injury I donít see many paying the fee for Wesley to leave. He will be here start of next season imo

Exits
Wingers - good riddance
Jack
McGinn
Mings
Engels
Luiz
Samatta

Rest stay
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2020, 09:17:00 AM
Not inclined to write Wesley off just yet. I mean he's  taken a huge step-up from Belgium and at 23 you're not the finished product. Abraham didn't hit the premiership floor running either. Wrong player to buy at the time undoubtably, but he's the sort of player we'll offload for a loss only to see him back in the premiership for 60m in 2 years time.
He'd scored 5 goals when he got injured; may have doubled that in the course of a whole season. Not a bad first-season return.
The challenge was that we were not set up to play to his style of football. He needs runners playing off him, not wingers humping the ball into the 6 yard box.
He looks like a player we bought not having decided on our footballing strategy and style of play.

Acquiring players needs to be done in the context of a bigger picture: not just because a player has a good record elsewhere or looks like 'a good deal'; or is offered by a favoured agent.

yeah buying a foreign 23 year old with no top flight experience for big money to get the goals in a team with not exactly world class creators to provide the chances......the best you can say is it was a gamble which no-one thought had much chance of coming off.. That said, if the worse comes to the worse and we go down, i think he'll find his feet in the championship no problem, and if we stay up he can only improve.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2020, 09:43:27 AM
After his injury I donít see many paying the fee for Wesley to leave. He will be here start of next season imo

Exits
Wingers - good riddance
Jack
McGinn
Mings
Engels
Luiz
Samatta

Rest stay
And surely that leaves us with a somewhat worse suad than last time we went down?  Yes we'll have a pocket full of cash but clubs will know this and seek exhobitant prices.  I fear for us, I really do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2020, 10:18:51 AM
I'm hoping it will allow people like Barry to come in. We will need some astute buys and loans but we can make an impact with the right management, which will be the most important signing. Tactics Tim reckons  Grealish to Yanited  is a done deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 02, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
After his injury I donít see many paying the fee for Wesley to leave. He will be here start of next season imo

Exits
Wingers - good riddance
Jack
McGinn
Mings
Engels
Luiz
Samatta

Rest stay
And surely that leaves us with a somewhat worse suad than last time we went down?  Yes we'll have a pocket full of cash but clubs will know this and seek exhobitant prices.  I fear for us, I really do.

Most championship clubs And in Europe wonít have a pot to piss in this summer let alone be in a position to ask for silly fees for players
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
There's never a summer where we just need 1 or 2 players. Its always revolution and flux.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
There's never a summer where we just need 1 or 2 players. Its always revolution and flux.

Yep.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
After his injury I donít see many paying the fee for Wesley to leave. He will be here start of next season imo

Exits
Wingers - good riddance
Jack
McGinn
Mings
Engels
Luiz
Samatta

Rest stay
I don't think they will be rid of the wingers (sad to say), since Smith will see them as assets in the lower league. Hopefully Trez is on his way to Turkey, but if there are no buyers they will be with us.
We have to break the buy-sell cycle by bringing in Louie Barry, the Ramseys, Bridge, Vassilev, Archer, etc; obviously in a structured and coordinated fashion. Put them in a 25-man squad and then nurture them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2020, 10:33:49 AM
Not inclined to write Wesley off just yet. I mean he's  taken a huge step-up from Belgium and at 23 you're not the finished product. Abraham didn't hit the premiership floor running either. Wrong player to buy at the time undoubtably, but he's the sort of player we'll offload for a loss only to see him back in the premiership for 60m in 2 years time.
He'd scored 5 goals when he got injured; may have doubled that in the course of a whole season. Not a bad first-season return.
The challenge was that we were not set up to play to his style of football. He needs runners playing off him, not wingers humping the ball into the 6 yard box.
He looks like a player we bought not having decided on our footballing strategy and style of play.

Acquiring players needs to be done in the context of a bigger picture: not just because a player has a good record elsewhere or looks like 'a good deal'; or is offered by a favoured agent.

I think the problem with Wesley is that Smith expected us to be playing higher up the pitch so the wingers would be much closer to him. His inexperience of the pace and tenacity of the game at this level has been part of the problem all season. We set up, in most games, to be playing on the front foot and pressing high up the pitch but far too often we let ourselves get pushed deeper and end up defending our box for long periods and we don't have players in the right positions to be able to relieve the pressure and change the momentum of the game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 02, 2020, 10:39:37 AM
There's never a summer where we just need 1 or 2 players. Its always revolution and flux.

The last time was probably after the 95/96 season or maybe 96/97. Over 20 years ago thatís how bad the mismanagement of this club has been in the intervening period.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2020, 10:43:33 AM
There's never a summer where we just need 1 or 2 players. Its always revolution and flux.

The last time was probably after the 95/96 season or maybe 96/97. Over 20 years ago thatís how bad the mismanagement of this club has been in the intervening period.

In the where did it all go wrong thread I said poor recruitment. I put back to the summer of 2015, but you're right. Recruitment has been so utterly shambolic for years.

2014 was horrendous too. 2013 was a gamble, 2012 was dire bar Benteke and 2011; replace Young and Downing with Nzogbia?! 2010 a new defence, 2009 a new defence. And on and on and on. You're right, decades now of repeated supidity.

Either good players at the wrong time or just dross.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aev on July 02, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
What is the issue with Engels - is his lack of playing time solely injury related or has he had some falling out with the coaching staff?

A back 5 of Heaton, Konsa, Engels, Guilbert and Targett should be pretty solid in the Championship (with Heaton probably being the most important one of the 5 due to his experience and organisational skills).

As others have said above, losing that amount of players (obviously our better ones) makes it so much harder to bounce straight back up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 02, 2020, 11:02:56 AM
What is the issue with Engels - is his lack of playing time solely injury related or has he had some falling out with the coaching staff?

A back 5 of Heaton, Konsa, Engels, Guilbert and Targett should be pretty solid in the Championship (with Heaton probably being the most important one of the 5 due to his experience and organisational skills).

As others have said above, losing that amount of players (obviously our better ones) makes it so much harder to bounce straight back up.

It was reported earlier in the season he fell out with Smith, which coincided with him being dropped. Not convinced that that back five would look up to much in the Championship, Target and Konsa can't defend and Guilbert collects yellow cards at an alarming rate.

I think Mings will stay though, and we know he is pretty good at Championship level. He will have to stay and atone for his shitness this season. No way are we getting our money back for him given his dreadful form in the Premier League, and selling for a loss makes FFP worse than keeping him.

Can see Heaton going though, we didn't pay much and will get offers for him.

Whatever happens we need to bring in an experienced centre back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2020, 07:07:29 PM
Not inclined to write Wesley off just yet. I mean he's  taken a huge step-up from Belgium and at 23 you're not the finished product. Abraham didn't hit the premiership floor running either. Wrong player to buy at the time undoubtably, but he's the sort of player we'll offload for a loss only to see him back in the premiership for 60m in 2 years time.

I agree. Far too soon, and completely unnecessary, to write off Wesley yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on July 02, 2020, 07:16:52 PM
As with most summers, the first name on my fantasy transfer list is Milner. He'd improve us at the moment 1000%.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2020, 07:47:36 PM
As with most summers, the first name on my fantasy transfer list is Milner. He'd improve us at the moment 1000%.
he's extended his contract at Liverpool. There was talk of him going to Leeds if they went up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2020, 10:34:34 PM
What is the issue with Engels - is his lack of playing time solely injury related or has he had some falling out with the coaching staff?

A back 5 of Heaton, Konsa, Engels, Guilbert and Targett should be pretty solid in the Championship (with Heaton probably being the most important one of the 5 due to his experience and organisational skills).

As others have said above, losing that amount of players (obviously our better ones) makes it so much harder to bounce straight back up.

It was reported earlier in the season he fell out with Smith, which coincided with him being dropped. Not convinced that that back five would look up to much in the Championship, Target and Konsa can't defend and Guilbert collects yellow cards at an alarming rate.

I think Mings will stay though, and we know he is pretty good at Championship level. He will have to stay and atone for his shitness this season. No way are we getting our money back for him given his dreadful form in the Premier League, and selling for a loss makes FFP worse than keeping him.

Can see Heaton going though, we didn't pay much and will get offers for him.

Whatever happens we need to bring in an experienced centre back.

Yes but it's a much lower quality, think of how desperate Hutton looked defensively in 15/16 and then he was largely fine the following season.

Targett got promoted with Fulham and Konsa was part of the decent Brentford team so while they struggle in this league I think they'll be largely fine below with an experienced CB next to them if Mings goes. Keeping Heaton would be a big boost aswell, don't see why not. He stayed when Burnley went down in 2015.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 02, 2020, 11:40:09 PM
I have driven 477 miles today, to York and back, lots of time to think about villa.  i was wondering, if newcastle want McGinn, lets ask them for a swap with Hayden, he wants to move south and I wonder whether he might be persuaded to drop down a level, knowing that we will get back up?  We also need that physical presence in midfield.  Second one, I wonder if Albrighton might fancy coming back.  Experience, Villa fan.  Is Snodgrass getting games at West ham?  All three are experienced players and would do a job if and when we drop down.  We also need a commanding centre half.  Not sure who though.

Agreed on all three....if we get relegated. Snodgrass is out of contract this summer I think aswell. Duffy at Brighton too as RCB, annoys me playing for Ireland but a big brute at the back is a must for the Championship. Presume Engels will be off either way really.


Problem is with Snoddy and Albrighton is they are both quite slow. I'd take them, but you still need to get some pace in there or it will become very predictable. I think in the champ if he stays Wesley will be a big player for us. Hourihane will get us a number of points on his own with his left peg, but we need to keep a couple of willing runners around him in the middle of the park. Not having Jack will mean changing how we play which might help us shape wise.

I don't see a footballer at all in big Wes
I saw a player having his best game so far until Ben Mee decided to finish his season with a dreadful tackle. For probably the first time, I saw Wesley playing with confidence.

That's true but I'm afraid the memory of his other performances hasn't quite being extinguished yet. Remember his horrible touch, falling over the place like Bambi on ice upon physical contact, very average shooting ability and limited hold up play. We effectively played with ten men for a lot his games. He wasn't helped by the insane decision to have his main backup as Kodjia, which meant blooding Wes in slowly wasn't an option.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2020, 02:29:22 AM
If we do end up going down, first signing for me would be Dwight Gayle or someone of that ilk. Pretty much guaranteed to score 20+ goals a season in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2020, 09:23:11 AM
If we do end up going down, first signing for me would be Dwight Gayle or someone of that ilk. Pretty much guaranteed to score 20+ goals a season in the Championship.

I heard that said about Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
yep he'd  join a long list of fecund strikers who turn to shit when they join us
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 03, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Number one priority has to be a new manager.

Too many times we see players look useless at Villa become decent the moment they leave, and players that look great before turn rubbish the moment they sign for us. We are stuck with most of this squad as they were bought for high fees and are on high wages, so we need to see if a change of coaching can improve them.

Number two priority is replacing Suso who has been a disaster.

After that we need pace throughout the team, and signings that keep the ball better.

Would like to see us go for someone like Benitez, or Wagner (ex Huddersfield) for manager. No clue who to have as DOF, a role that I remain unconvinced works well in British football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2020, 11:57:33 AM
If we do end up going down, first signing for me would be Dwight Gayle or someone of that ilk. Pretty much guaranteed to score 20+ goals a season in the Championship.

I heard that said about Ross McCormack.

Ha!  Still remains a bemusing signing.  Could only play in one position and we didn't set up the side to incorporate that position.

That's not letting him off the hook at all though, as you would have liked to have thought some research regarding his off field exploits would have been carried out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cannock villa on July 03, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Number one priority has to be a new manager.

Too many times we see players look useless at Villa become decent the moment they leave, and players that look great before turn rubbish the moment they sign for us. We are stuck with most of this squad as they were bought for high fees and are on high wages, so we need to see if a change of coaching can improve them.

Number two priority is replacing Suso who has been a disaster.

After that we need pace throughout the team, and signings that keep the ball better.

Would like to see us go for someone like Benitez, or Wagner (ex Huddersfield) for manager. No clue who to have as DOF, a role that I remain unconvinced works well in British football.
I'm the opposite. If he wasn't our manager now and we go down he'd be the manager everyone would want with his Championship experience. Let's not forget he got us promoted in just over half a season with someone else's squad
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2020, 12:19:45 PM
Assuming we go down and lose Jack, McGinn, Mings and probably Luiz we'll have pocketfuls of money but an absolutely shite squad.  Someone's going to have to work miracles.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2020, 12:32:07 PM
Assuming we go down and lose Jack, McGinn, Mings and probably Luiz we'll have pocketfuls of money but an absolutely shite squad.  Someone's going to have to work miracles.

IF we go down then we need to hold on to as many of these players as we can. Jack can genuinely claim that he did everything he could to get us out of trouble and deserves a chance to push for bigger things. No one else can say with any honesty that they aren't at least partially responsible for what's happened. With FFP cancelled for a year we don't need to enforce pay cuts for the season so Purslow needs to work to convince them to give us a season. If we can do that we come back pretty easily and with a team far better prepared to stay up next time. Use the chance to move on the older fringe players (Lansbury, Elmo, Taylor, Jota) and only buy replacements where we don't have youngsters who can fill in.

I've said it a number of times now we really need to break out of the cycle of being in constant transition, a stable squad for a couple of seasons makes a massive difference and would give us the platform to start bringing the youth players into the squad and working as the owners appear to want.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 03, 2020, 01:14:37 PM
Assuming we go down and lose Jack, McGinn, Mings and probably Luiz we'll have pocketfuls of money but an absolutely shite squad.  Someone's going to have to work miracles.

Rafa Benitez did it no problem when Newcastle went down. They sold likes of Wijnaldum, Townsend and Sissoko for big money and brought in solid performers like Clark, Gayle, Diame, Hayden, Ritchie and still stormed up the division. If the worst happens we can't afford transfer sagas developing all 'summer'. Quick decisions on the new coach and players in/out required.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: garyellis on July 03, 2020, 01:18:26 PM
If we go down I see no reason why anyone (other than those who are surplus to requirements) would be sold. There will be no financial need and all the players mentioned are on long contracts. The only other player I am not sure about regarding contract status and exit clause is Douglas Luiz.
Jack is different, I don't want him to leave he's been great to watch but we have to be realistic. His future career is now well ahead of our current trajectory.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 03, 2020, 01:49:49 PM
If we go down I see no reason why anyone (other than those who are surplus to requirements) would be sold. There will be no financial need and all the players mentioned are on long contracts. The only other player I am not sure about regarding contract status and exit clause is Douglas Luiz.
Jack is different, I don't want him to leave he's been great to watch but we have to be realistic. His future career is now well ahead of our current trajectory.

There might be a few like Veretout last time who effectively refuse to play in the championship. I'm hoping likes of Trez are in this camp for very different reasons. Not sure many of the others like Nakamba will be as lucky.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 03, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
If we go down then try and keep one of McGinn or Mings. Probably McGinn.

use the Jack money to sign players the likes of Hendrick, Eze, Lolley and Gayle seems wise.

We'd need a centre half if Mings goes too. I'd let Engels go tbh, we need a leader back there to compliment Hause and Konsa. Fullbacks are fine at Championship level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 03, 2020, 02:00:11 PM
Assuming we go down and lose Jack, McGinn, Mings and probably Luiz we'll have pocketfuls of money but an absolutely shite squad.  Someone's going to have to work miracles.

IF we go down then we need to hold on to as many of these players as we can. Jack can genuinely claim that he did everything he could to get us out of trouble and deserves a chance to push for bigger things. No one else can say with any honesty that they aren't at least partially responsible for what's happened. With FFP cancelled for a year we don't need to enforce pay cuts for the season so Purslow needs to work to convince them to give us a season. If we can do that we come back pretty easily and with a team far better prepared to stay up next time. Use the chance to move on the older fringe players (Lansbury, Elmo, Taylor, Jota) and only buy replacements where we don't have youngsters who can fill in.

I've said it a number of times now we really need to break out of the cycle of being in constant transition, a stable squad for a couple of seasons makes a massive difference and would give us the platform to start bringing the youth players into the squad and working as the owners appear to want.

In my view the only one that will definitely go is Grealish. The rest won't have that many suitors and even if they do, we've got them contracted.

When they signed they knew we'd be at risk of going down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 03, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
Yep, although there may be relegation release clauses we don't know about.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2020, 02:11:13 PM
there aren't many I'd want to keep so personally I hope there is some interest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Just wondering if we get £80m for Jack how we'll spend it.  When you look at our record in black and white, it's easy to see why we are where we are.  It's so easy to get it wrong.  And yeah, I know we got McGinn for peanuts and I know a few may be decent assets next season.  And yes, I thought some were pretty good buys at the time and yes I know every club buys some turkeys.  Even so, bloody hell...

McCormack - £13m
Kodjia - £11.5m
Hogan - £9.5m
Tshibola - £5m
Gollini - £5m
Kalinic - £5.4m
Wesley - £22.5m
Targett - £14m
Konsa - £12m
Nakamba - £11m
Samatta - £9.5m
Trezuget - £9m
El Ghazi - £8.1m
Engels £7.2m



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2020, 02:33:14 PM
Number one priority has to be a new manager.

Too many times we see players look useless at Villa become decent the moment they leave, and players that look great before turn rubbish the moment they sign for us. We are stuck with most of this squad as they were bought for high fees and are on high wages, so we need to see if a change of coaching can improve them.

Number two priority is replacing Suso who has been a disaster.

After that we need pace throughout the team, and signings that keep the ball better.

Would like to see us go for someone like Benitez, or Wagner (ex Huddersfield) for manager. No clue who to have as DOF, a role that I remain unconvinced works well in British football.
I'm the opposite. If he wasn't our manager now and we go down he'd be the manager everyone would want with his Championship experience. Let's not forget he got us promoted in just over half a season with someone else's squad

After another mediocre season with Brentford probably, I think not.  Smith was lucky to take on an underperforming squad that still had players like Grealish, McGinn and Tammy Abraham in it.  He was then able to sort the defence out with the addition of Mings. We've got to start thinking bigger than people like Smith.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2020, 02:36:19 PM
Number one priority has to be a new manager.

Too many times we see players look useless at Villa become decent the moment they leave, and players that look great before turn rubbish the moment they sign for us. We are stuck with most of this squad as they were bought for high fees and are on high wages, so we need to see if a change of coaching can improve them.

Number two priority is replacing Suso who has been a disaster.

After that we need pace throughout the team, and signings that keep the ball better.

Would like to see us go for someone like Benitez, or Wagner (ex Huddersfield) for manager. No clue who to have as DOF, a role that I remain unconvinced works well in British football.
I'm the opposite. If he wasn't our manager now and we go down he'd be the manager everyone would want with his Championship experience. Let's not forget he got us promoted in just over half a season with someone else's squad

After another mediocre season with Brentford probably, I think not.  Smith was lucky to take on an underperforming squad that still had players like Grealish, McGinn and Tammy Abraham in it.  He was then able to sort the defence out with the addition of Mings. We've got to start thinking bigger than people like Smith.

He did sort the defence out with one loan though. You can't just brush over that like it doesn't count, his predecessors were seemingly incapable of that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2020, 02:43:58 PM
Number one priority has to be a new manager.

Too many times we see players look useless at Villa become decent the moment they leave, and players that look great before turn rubbish the moment they sign for us. We are stuck with most of this squad as they were bought for high fees and are on high wages, so we need to see if a change of coaching can improve them.

Number two priority is replacing Suso who has been a disaster.

After that we need pace throughout the team, and signings that keep the ball better.

Would like to see us go for someone like Benitez, or Wagner (ex Huddersfield) for manager. No clue who to have as DOF, a role that I remain unconvinced works well in British football.
I'm the opposite. If he wasn't our manager now and we go down he'd be the manager everyone would want with his Championship experience. Let's not forget he got us promoted in just over half a season with someone else's squad

After another mediocre season with Brentford probably, I think not.  Smith was lucky to take on an underperforming squad that still had players like Grealish, McGinn and Tammy Abraham in it.  He was then able to sort the defence out with the addition of Mings. We've got to start thinking bigger than people like Smith.

Were you not pleased with the appointment at the time? You said he was going to be our Dyche or Howe.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2020, 03:33:33 PM
Smith was pretty much a universally approved appointment. Villa connections aside we always got a schooling from his Brentford teams on how to play the game. Itís just so hugely disappointing that the manager we thought we were getting like Lambert, has just disappeared into his shell. The Villa team we see now is a reflection of a manager that has lost all belief and now sits deeper and deeper. Contrast that with the side that played at Spurs, at Arsenal, at Man U. We took the game to them. We should have won two of those for sure. If played any of those games again today it just wouldnít look the same.

I for one was delighted we got Dean Smith because I really believed he would attack and always try to win. That just isnít the case now. And itís that lack of self belief that will sink us this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 03, 2020, 03:45:20 PM
Smith was pretty much a universally approved appointment. Villa connections aside we always got a schooling from his Brentford teams on how to play the game. Itís just so hugely disappointing that the manager we thought we were getting like Lambert, has just disappeared into his shell. The Villa team we see now is a reflection of a manager that has lost all belief and now sits deeper and deeper. Contrast that with the side that played at Spurs, at Arsenal, at Man U. We took the game to them. We should have won two of those for sure. If played any of those games again today it just wouldnít look the same.

I for one was delighted we got Dean Smith because I really believed he would attack and always try to win. That just isnít the case now. And itís that lack of self belief that will sink us this season.
I thought it was a flavour of the month appointment to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2020, 03:53:39 PM
From what I remember I thought he was a reasonable but uninspiring appointment (but a massive upgrade on who he replaced) and I was mostly happy that they were moving away from the single point of failure approach by adding Suso and Smith at the same time. Neither has worked out as well as I hoped but I still think it's the right way to do things.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2020, 03:58:57 PM
Smith was pretty much a universally approved appointment. Villa connections aside we always got a schooling from his Brentford teams on how to play the game. Itís just so hugely disappointing that the manager we thought we were getting like Lambert, has just disappeared into his shell. The Villa team we see now is a reflection of a manager that has lost all belief and now sits deeper and deeper. Contrast that with the side that played at Spurs, at Arsenal, at Man U. We took the game to them. We should have won two of those for sure. If played any of those games again today it just wouldnít look the same.

I for one was delighted we got Dean Smith because I really believed he would attack and always try to win. That just isnít the case now. And itís that lack of self belief that will sink us this season.
I thought it was a flavour of the month appointment to be honest.

Then a lot of people liked that flavour. Look on here when he arrived, the reception he got in his first game. Yes of course the Villa connection helped but I think it would be unfair to suggest he was an opportunistic appointment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 03, 2020, 04:03:11 PM
Then a lot of people liked that flavour. Look on here when he arrived, the reception he got in his first game. Yes of course the Villa connection helped but I think it would be unfair to suggest he was an opportunistic appointment.
No, you're absolutely right - he was a very popular appointment, although not with me.  Brentford beating us a few times, doing pretty well at a club with low expectations, and being a Villa fan weren't my criteria.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 03, 2020, 04:47:56 PM
Easy top forget the inital coach was Thierry Henry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2020, 05:15:12 PM
Smith was pretty much a universally approved appointment. Villa connections aside we always got a schooling from his Brentford teams on how to play the game. Itís just so hugely disappointing that the manager we thought we were getting like Lambert, has just disappeared into his shell. The Villa team we see now is a reflection of a manager that has lost all belief and now sits deeper and deeper. Contrast that with the side that played at Spurs, at Arsenal, at Man U. We took the game to them. We should have won two of those for sure. If played any of those games again today it just wouldnít look the same.

I for one was delighted we got Dean Smith because I really believed he would attack and always try to win. That just isnít the case now. And itís that lack of self belief that will sink us this season.
I thought it was a flavour of the month appointment to be honest.

Then a lot of people liked that flavour. Look on here when he arrived, the reception he got in his first game. Yes of course the Villa connection helped but I think it would be unfair to suggest he was an opportunistic appointment.

How much of that was the 'anyone but Bruce' aspect though? If you look at the poll for the new manager he wasn't a universal choice, I think he had a quarter of the votes. Once it was confirmed most people were happy but you'd be hard pressed to find many times where that isn't true. Even with McLeish most people accepted it and started talking about him at least making us hard to beat, etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2020, 05:24:34 PM
In my lifetime, SGT, Big Ron and O'Neill are the only ones that came almost universally accepted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 03, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
In my lifetime, SGT, Big Ron and O'Neill are the only ones that came almost universally accepted.

most people were happy with Brian Little. If I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2020, 05:29:56 PM
In my lifetime, SGT, Big Ron and O'Neill are the only ones that came almost universally accepted.

most people were happy with Brian Little. If I remember rightly.

Yes, but Iike with Dean a lot of that was to do with that he was our own. There were still questions from some as to whether he was the right man for us at the time. He'd done well at Darlington and Leicester, but it was their first season up and they were struggling, and not noted for their attractive football (which we had been for a while under Ron)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: oldhill_avfc on July 03, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Just wondering if we get £80m for Jack how we'll spend it.  When you look at our record in black and white, it's easy to see why we are where we are.  It's so easy to get it wrong.  And yeah, I know we got McGinn for peanuts and I know a few may be decent assets next season.  And yes, I thought some were pretty good buys at the time and yes I know every club buys some turkeys.  Even so, bloody hell...

McCormack - £13m
Kodjia - £11.5m
Hogan - £9.5m
Tshibola - £5m
Gollini - £5m
Kalinic - £5.4m
Wesley - £22.5m
Targett - £14m
Konsa - £12m
Nakamba - £11m
Samatta - £9.5m
Trezuget - £9m
El Ghazi - £8.1m
Engels £7.2m

McCormack and Hogan are absolute stinkers but were not bought by the current regime.

The rest are mainly decent buys for what they cost.  Ok theyíve proved not good enough for the premier league but that mainly proves you just need a bigger budget. 

I expect them to look good in the championship if thatís what it comes to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Then a lot of people liked that flavour. Look on here when he arrived, the reception he got in his first game. Yes of course the Villa connection helped but I think it would be unfair to suggest he was an opportunistic appointment.
No, you're absolutely right - he was a very popular appointment, although not with me.  Brentford beating us a few times, doing pretty well at a club with low expectations, and being a Villa fan weren't my criteria.

Fair enough. I think given where we were at the time, all a bit glum and dire staring once again at another season in the Championship as they Bruce wheels had fallen off, getting in a manager proven to play a certain brand of football was understandably appealing for the owners. It would have been great to get someone of a more significant standing in the game but in truth we had just fired one. All in all I felt at the time it was a good appointment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 03, 2020, 05:56:37 PM

How much of that was the 'anyone but Bruce' aspect though? If you look at the poll for the new manager he wasn't a universal choice, I think he had a quarter of the votes. Once it was confirmed most people were happy but you'd be hard pressed to find many times where that isn't true. Even with McLeish most people accepted it and started talking about him at least making us hard to beat, etc.
Not how I remember it. McLeish's managerial record was indifferent at best at the highest level, and many were perplexed that Randy had been so dogged in his effort to bring him to VP.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2020, 06:04:27 PM

How much of that was the 'anyone but Bruce' aspect though? If you look at the poll for the new manager he wasn't a universal choice, I think he had a quarter of the votes. Once it was confirmed most people were happy but you'd be hard pressed to find many times where that isn't true. Even with McLeish most people accepted it and started talking about him at least making us hard to beat, etc.
Not how I remember it. McLeish's managerial record was indifferent at best at the highest level, and many were perplexed that Randy had been so dogged in his effort to bring him to VP.

What i mean is once he was in the job. I was talking about the reception at the first game and the general attitude towards him. As I say I think most people we're willing to get behind him for a few months and it was around the infamous Tottenham game when that started to change.

What I was getting at is that fans getting behind the manager once he's in the job isn't all that unusual but that Smith was only one of a group of 4-5 that got pretty strong backing from people on here and elsewhere in the week after Bruce went. Almost every reservation raised by anyone was about his lack of experience at a big club or in a top league and thast has proven to be the problem, it doesn't mean he was a bad choice or unwanted, just that many people worried it was too big a step up and that does seem to be the case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT Villan on July 03, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
I wanted Bielsa, but was not against Smith. In reality I didn't know a lot about him but he seemed well respected at Brentford. The front-foot football was alluring for sure.

If we go down we will absolutely have to add quality to what is left after our better players leave. There are a number of potential problems though, not least how will FFP look and even though we may have lots of money to spend, the selling clubs will try to hold out for big money which typically pushes any purchases to the end of the transfer window and reduces the impact of a full pre-season with the squad. This also risks not getting the players you want, though Villa would never do anything like that [rolls eyes].
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2020, 09:26:33 AM
the inevitable re-build starts with a new management team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aev on July 05, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
We have some good players, but I guess they have been thrown together and it has been sink or swim.

If you consider 3 of our midfield are likely to have suitors, it is pretty depressing. Our attacking options havenít been good enough - too much emphasis has been put on 2 flakey widemen and we were overly reliant on a Brazilian from a pretty average league who got injured at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2020, 07:05:18 PM
We need a manager and a director of football (or whatever they call the bloke who makes the signings these days) that are on the same page. We need a clear idea of what we want to play. System, style of football etc. We need to sign accordingly. If we want to play out from the back, we need players who can do that. If we want a back four, we need more resolute fullbacks. If we want wing backs, they need to be better in attack and more athletic (to be fair I think Freddy is dynamic enough, he just needs a shit load of coaching defensively). We need a head coach who actually has the nous to be a head coach. We've had managers up until now, and that's a dying system.

Our attacking system needs the right players to fit and we need a front man that fits that system. Dean has never really had an idea of how he wants to play in the final third, or at least a way of implementing it. It's negligence of the highest order too, that we have such a lack of pace in our side. You need pace in this league and we're painfully slow, particularly in the final third. This was something even someone as shite as Lambert tried to instil in our play, that we had a quick front three. It's painful watching Trezeguet trying to beat a fullback. He looks like my gran running for a bus. El Ghazi is a bit fleeter of foot, but is never going to get by a premier league full back.

Again, I sense a lack of consistency between the players our transfer team pinpointed, and those which Deano wanted to bring in. It's Sherwood/Reilly again. Will we ever learn? Sick in your mouth a bit, but lets follow what Wolves have done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 05, 2020, 07:19:24 PM
We need a manager and a director of football (or whatever they call the bloke who makes the signings these days) that are on the same page. We need a clear idea of what we want to play. System, style of football etc. We need to sign accordingly. If we want to play out from the back, we need players who can do that. If we want a back four, we need more resolute fullbacks. If we want wing backs, they need to be better in attack and more athletic (to be fair I think Freddy is dynamic enough, he just needs a shit load of coaching defensively). We need a head coach who actually has the nous to be a head coach. We've had managers up until now, and that's a dying system.

Our attacking system needs the right players to fit and we need a front man that fits that system. Dean has never really had an idea of how he wants to play in the final third, or at least a way of implementing it. It's negligence of the highest order too, that we have such a lack of pace in our side. You need pace in this league and we're painfully slow, particularly in the final third. This was something even someone as shite as Lambert tried to instil in our play, that we had a quick front three. It's painful watching Trezeguet trying to beat a fullback. He looks like my gran running for a bus. El Ghazi is a bit fleeter of foot, but is never going to get by a premier league full back.

Again, I sense a lack of consistency between the players our transfer team pinpointed, and those which Deano wanted to bring in. It's Sherwood/Reilly again. Will we ever learn? Sick in your mouth a bit, but lets follow what Wolves have done.

Wolves is exactly the blueprint we should be following. Unfortunately weíve put the circus music on again and got it all wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2020, 08:23:48 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2020, 08:28:02 PM
And how many times did Wolves get it wrong? They've just had half a century where mediocrity usually looked a hopeless ambition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?

Not that I'm a fan of that strategy, but you can hardly argue it hasn't worked out swimmingly for that lot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: charlatan on July 05, 2020, 08:30:38 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?

Knowing us we would choose a clown with a catchphrase like 'monster, monster'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?

Not that I'm a fan of that strategy, but you can hardly argue it hasn't worked out swimmingly for that lot.
It's a much better idea than putting on a hair shirt and buying mediocre players for more than they're worth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2020, 08:33:47 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?

Not that I'm a fan of that strategy, but you can hardly argue it hasn't worked out swimmingly for that lot.

It definitely has.  But Iím not sure it would be easy to replicate.  The agent must be getting something out of it, so either an illegal share in the club (or chairmanís companies) or will be able to sell the players cheaply when he decides.  There must be a catch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aev on July 05, 2020, 08:39:49 PM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 05, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.

I'd have any of Lundstram, Egan, or Fleck in a heartbeat tbh.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2020, 08:44:32 PM
They've got a decent left-back...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aev on July 05, 2020, 08:45:27 PM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.

I'd have any of Lundstram, Egan, or Fleck in a heartbeat tbh.

Perhaps, but not because they are better players, rather they have been well coached.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2020, 08:59:52 PM
They've got a decent left-back...

Very
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2020, 09:40:18 PM
We need pace, lots of fucking pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on July 05, 2020, 10:37:52 PM
Key to it for me is fitness. You can cover a multitude of sins if you can stay in games for longer than an hour.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
I got carried away this time last year with all the signings.

Will not be making that mistake again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 05, 2020, 11:33:47 PM
The Wolves route being to rely on one super agent to feed his players through the club?

Not that I'm a fan of that strategy, but you can hardly argue it hasn't worked out swimmingly for that lot.

It definitely has.  But Iím not sure it would be easy to replicate.  The agent must be getting something out of it, so either an illegal share in the club (or chairmanís companies) or will be able to sell the players cheaply when he decides.  There must be a catch.

I'm pretty sure we used Mendes to get El Ghazi and that keeper who played one cup game last season so in typical Villa fashion we used it in the half hearted way rather than demanding some world class players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 06, 2020, 06:12:07 AM
Key to it for me is fitness. You can cover a multitude of sins if you can stay in games for longer than an hour.

Seems like weíve been saying this for a decade too.

Sign for us. Go to BMH. Add weight, lose pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2020, 08:21:24 AM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.
Not disagreeing with you, but Wilder has had the core of that squad for 4 or 5 years and built it up incrementally and to a template.
Wolves and Burnley have been able to build incrementally, to a plan.

We had 3 months to replace 12 players within an FFP-constrained budget.

This season was always going to be very dicey. And, I suppose, we could have done with a much more experienced manager to steward us through it - that is the mistake made by the owners: assuming that Smith would be able quickly to grow into the role of Premier League manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2020, 08:24:00 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2020, 09:02:40 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on July 06, 2020, 09:08:47 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.
And if we get promoted and we'll need a new striker again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 06, 2020, 09:18:56 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

Grabban would make sense on a short-term deal, I'm sure we could offer him 2 years at the going rate for wages in the Championship and he would be better than what we have to be quite honest.

Gayle will almost definitely go back to WBA when they sadly get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2020, 11:26:00 AM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.

I'd have any of Lundstram, Egan, or Fleck in a heartbeat tbh.

I would add Norwood to that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
It isnít the only option.

Sheffield United have done ok this season and spent fuck all. They are well organised and disciplined, and look greater than the solid of their parts. I am not sure I would swap any of their players for ours, apart from the keeper perhaps and yet they are miles ahead of us. Ditto Burnley.

I'd have any of Lundstram, Egan, or Fleck in a heartbeat tbh.

I would add Norwood to that.
and Edna
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
Key to it for me is fitness. You can cover a multitude of sins if you can stay in games for longer than an hour.

Seems like weíve been saying this for a decade too.

Sign for us. Go to BMH. Add weight, lose pace.

That's what Enda Stevens said of his time at Villa, said his diet was poor and didn't work hard enough off the pitch. How this was tolerated at an established top division club (back then) speaks volumes for our decline.

.Fair play to Stevens had to drop down the divisions to get his career back on track but Wilder and his backroom staff are clearly miles ahead of ours when it comes to strength and conditioning, not to mind the matchday stuff re tactics et al.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2020, 04:32:13 PM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

I couldn't give two shits how old they are. Grabban has almost 20 goals in the Championship again and a year ago Gayle scored 24.

We won't be in the top flight, so even mentioning that they're "not quite good enough" for the Premier league is inconsequential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

I couldn't give two shits how old they are. Grabban has almost 20 goals in the Championship again and a year ago Gayle scored 24.

We won't be in the top flight, so even mentioning that they're "not quite good enough" for the Premier league is inconsequential.

Would we not be trying to get back there straight away? And would we not then be lumbered with two players that would be no use for us, leading to us having to do more business to reshape the squad, pretty much leaving us where we were at the start of this season?

Neither of them would be a bad option for a year loan, I may add, but one or the other.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: gpbarr on July 06, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

I couldn't give two shits how old they are. Grabban has almost 20 goals in the Championship again and a year ago Gayle scored 24.

We won't be in the top flight, so even mentioning that they're "not quite good enough" for the Premier league is inconsequential.

Would we not be trying to get back there straight away? And would we not then be lumbered with two players that would be no use for us, leading to us having to do more business to reshape the squad, pretty much leaving us where we were at the start of this season?

Neither of them would be a bad option for a year loan, I may add, but one or the other.

we need a long term plan/strategy, not yet another quick fix. We are arguably in this mess because 2 summer's ago we didn't make the right decisions and that created the need to overhaul the squad as we were promoted which, created huge issues with panic buys, team cohesion, prep time etc. Let's not go buying players who can "get us out of the Championship" and instead buy players who have the skill, attitude, and style to fit AV long term 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 06, 2020, 05:43:15 PM
If and when we drop, I would like us to try to bargain for swaps as well as outright transfers.  Grealish with the likes of Tuanzebe thrown in for example.  McGinn for Gayle, possibly Hayden for instance.  The number one position to sort for me is the centre of midfield, we really need a ball winner in there.  Luyindu has been linked from Turkey, although he might not want to come if we drop.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
In the Championship 2 or 3 of the right type of loan are fine. Itís just you have to ensure you still have an evolving and improving core within the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
If and when we drop, I would like us to try to bargain for swaps as well as outright transfers.  Grealish with the likes of Tuanzebe thrown in for example.  McGinn for Gayle, possibly Hayden for instance.  The number one position to sort for me is the centre of midfield, we really need a ball winner in there.  Luyindu has been linked from Turkey, although he might not want to come if we drop.
What makes you think Hayden and Gayle would want to drop a division?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
I may be in the minority here, but compared to the rotten bloated squad that went down last time i dont see much stopping a promotion push if we go down. Yes, we're a poor side in the premiership, but worse teams than us would have got something out of an admittedly under-par liverpool side. We just haven't got a forward worthy of the name currently, and unless Smith tries something up front we will go down however well we play in the remaining games. Yes, we'll lose Grealish and 1 or two others but if you can't replace them with decent championship players when you've pocketed the best part of 100m then you should get out of management/owning a football club,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2020, 06:37:10 PM
Key to it for me is fitness. You can cover a multitude of sins if you can stay in games for longer than an hour.

Seems like weíve been saying this for a decade too.

Sign for us. Go to BMH. Add weight, lose pace.

It's a sweet deal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Would we not be trying to get back there straight away? And would we not then be lumbered with two players that would be no use for us, leading to us having to do more business to reshape the squad, pretty much leaving us where we were at the start of this season?

Neither of them would be a bad option for a year loan, I may add, but one or the other.

I find it amazing that, after over a decade of quick fixes and band-aids, there are still people who think everything would be fine if we sign a couple of ageing players who are a little bit better than what we have but whose careers are only going in one direction.

At some point the whole club needs an overhaul and to work on building a squad that can grow together and not shit ourselves if it hasn't worked after a season. There are literally no examples of teams building sustainable improvement by throwing money at players like Gayle and Grabban, every team that does it has a year or 2 of being ok before sinking again because you can't run a modern club like that. Even all the money clubs have put a huge focus on youth players and growing players into what they need. Yes they still make big signings but how many outfield players over the age of 28 have the top 6 signed in the last 3-4 seasons?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 07:22:58 PM
The trouble with that is that it will work for a club that isn't used to the giddy heights, so they don't mind taking the occasional step back to go forwards again. Try saying to our supporters that we're building for the long-term and see how far it gets you.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
The issue with a lot of that Paul is any big club that drops down to the Championship has to have an immediate return as their priority. Due to the overheads and debts as much as the prestige factor or anything else.

So they aren't really in a position to sit it out for a season or three and develop an ethos - fully removed from the pressures of needing to go up.

The smaller clubs who have gone up and survived for a few seasons have had the benefit of utilising a consistent panel at the lower level. Gaining top flight football in the first place was the cherry on the icing on the cake rather than the be all and end all for them. Different strokes for different folks.

Our transfer deals under Bruce (particularly from the summer of 17 onwards) definitely felt more short term than building for the future. I wouldn't want a repeat of that. But - short of the owners deciding to bail - any manager/ head coach in place at the start of next season knows promotion will be priority 1,2 and 3.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 06, 2020, 07:35:32 PM
The trouble with that is that it will work for a club that isn't used to the giddy heights, so they don't mind taking the occasional step back to go forwards again. Try saying to our supporters that we're building for the long-term and see how far it gets you.
This is the first thing that came to my mind. If you look at seasons where we've gone for a more long term approach (when we signed a load of Francophones called Jordan, or the transfers this last summer) the manager gets slated because either they're not the finished product (Big Wes), or they're not Premier League quality (Konsa), or they're a gamble that was never going to come off (Trez).

People like the idea of buying players cheap and selling them on at a huge profit but not the reality, which is a squad full of cheap players, and losing any that develop in to decent talents.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 06, 2020, 07:54:32 PM
If and when we drop, I would like us to try to bargain for swaps as well as outright transfers.  Grealish with the likes of Tuanzebe thrown in for example.  McGinn for Gayle, possibly Hayden for instance.  The number one position to sort for me is the centre of midfield, we really need a ball winner in there.  Luyindu has been linked from Turkey, although he might not want to come if we drop.
What makes you think Hayden and Gayle would want to drop a division?

They are just suggestions.  Who knows who might want to go where.  Newcastle being taken over, Hayden and Gayle will be surplus to requirements if it goes through.  Hayden also wants to move further south due ti family reasons apparently and might see us as a good option if we buy sensibly (Yes, I know!). 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 07:56:02 PM
Gollini: Lowton, Mings, Okore, Amavi: Gueye, Vertout, Grealish: Traore, Benteke, Ayew. Subs: Nyland, Clarke, Westwood, McGinn, Luiz & a few others. I wonder how that team would get on in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
A darn sight better than we have become used to.  I would add Andi Weimann to that roll call.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
Gollini: Lowton, Mings, Okore, Amavi: Gueye, Vertout, Grealish: Traore, Benteke, Ayew. Subs: Nyland, Clarke, Westwood, McGinn, Luiz & a few others. I wonder how that team would get on in the Premier League.

Terrible defence, and fairly good midfield. Plenty of pace though, and a ball winner plus a better bench. Traore on current form would be a big difference but Benteke and Ayew not much use these days.

Problem was half that lot didn't want to be here. Veretout, Guys, Anarvi, Ayew Benteke and Gollini all pushed to leave.

Traore is the one that got away, but there again he didn't look up to much at the time and Adomah helped get us promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2020, 08:17:10 PM
Sorry accidental double post.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 08:24:35 PM
Gollini: Lowton, Mings, Okore, Amavi: Gueye, Vertout, Grealish: Traore, Benteke, Ayew. Subs: Nyland, Clarke, Westwood, McGinn, Luiz & a few others. I wonder how that team would get on in the Premier League.

Terrible defence, and fairly good midfield. Plenty of pace though, and a ball winner plus a better bench. Traore on current form would be a big difference but Benteke and Ayew not much use these days.

Problem was half that lot didn't want to be here. Veretout, Guys, Anarvi, Ayew Benteke and Gollini all pushed to leave.

Traore is the one that got away, but there again he didn't look up to much at the time and Adomah helped get us promoted.

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 08:24:43 PM
They all, without exception wanted to with Villa in the first place.  As for Benteke and Ayew being not much use these days I hate to think where that places Davis, Samatta and Moraes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
And Traore didn't  look up to much at the time?  It must have been somebody else whose name we were singing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 08:35:50 PM
And Notts County got five yellow cards for kicking him?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2020, 08:42:34 PM
Yes but that's all he had Brian - pace. He had no awareness or positional acvumen at all. It was like watching someone with a firecracker up their arse running very fast in a straight line but ultimately going nowhere. Coaching - good coaching  has changed that, but it was never going to happen at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2020, 08:44:10 PM
Gollini: Lowton, Mings, Okore, Amavi: Gueye, Vertout, Grealish: Traore, Benteke, Ayew. Subs: Nyland, Clarke, Westwood, McGinn, Luiz & a few others. I wonder how that team would get on in the Premier League.

Terrible defence, and fairly good midfield. Plenty of pace though, and a ball winner plus a better bench. Traore on current form would be a big difference but Benteke and Ayew not much use these days.

Problem was half that lot didn't want to be here. Veretout, Guys, Anarvi, Ayew Benteke and Gollini all pushed to leave.

Traore is the one that got away, but there again he didn't look up to much at the time and Adomah helped get us promoted.

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Yeah I take the point. My main worry is the coaching, under so many different managers players have gone downhill after joining us and got better after leaving. Baffling. You could add Stevens, Albrighton too, it's a big list.

Of the new batch I think El Ghazi, Nakamba, Luiz, Guilbert and Engels have all shown glimpses of ability. Plus Ming's and McGinn more regularly.

Main issue is we consistently try too many new players at once and have no good way to select a balanced team from them. Not always the club's fault that, with players pushing for moves and FFP kicking in on relegation.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2020, 08:55:37 PM
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.

Going to happen again this summer if we go down though. Best players will go, and five or six will need to come in. Agree we need to keep more this time, and think we will. Coaching needs to improve though to see if they can come along.

Also we actually need to get the right few players in so we can pick a formation that has 11 players that can play in it without glaring issues. At no point in the last 3 seasons have we had that. Whatever system we pick somewhere we don't have the right player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
Gollini: Lowton, Mings, Okore, Amavi: Gueye, Vertout, Grealish: Traore, Benteke, Ayew. Subs: Nyland, Clarke, Westwood, McGinn, Luiz & a few others. I wonder how that team would get on in the Premier League.

Terrible defence, and fairly good midfield. Plenty of pace though, and a ball winner plus a better bench. Traore on current form would be a big difference but Benteke and Ayew not much use these days.

Problem was half that lot didn't want to be here. Veretout, Guys, Anarvi, Ayew Benteke and Gollini all pushed to leave.

Traore is the one that got away, but there again he didn't look up to much at the time and Adomah helped get us promoted.

Traore, Gueye and Veretout all made it clear that they didn't want to stick around once relegation had been confirmed. They weren't interested. Gueye even said as much as early as Feb/ March 16.

 Ayew and Amavi did at least want to be here and part of a promotion push.  But Bruce benched Ayew pretty much from the oustet (even opting to start with Gabby against Brighton away) and we took the masterstroke of agreeing a swap for Neil Taylor and not much money that Jan.  Despite Ayew looking our biggest attacking threat up until October.

Amavi's form was up and down in that first season back after serious injury. But he gave us that year, at least.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2020, 08:58:21 PM
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.
Sometimes it's inevitable though, particularly if you go up then come back down swiftly, as might happen this season.  Promotion push, relegation, another promotion push means there's inevitably going to be a big churn each season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 09:04:18 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2020, 09:10:11 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Amavi stayed because he wanted to. Maybe you're thinking of Adama who couldn't wait to leave,
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 09:14:10 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 09:14:26 PM
The issue with a lot of that Paul is any big club that drops down to the Championship has to have an immediate return as their priority. Due to the overheads and debts as much as the prestige factor or anything else.

So they aren't really in a position to sit it out for a season or three and develop an ethos - fully removed from the pressures of needing to go up.

The smaller clubs who have gone up and survived for a few seasons have had the benefit of utilising a consistent panel at the lower level. Gaining top flight football in the first place was the cherry on the icing on the cake rather than the be all and end all for them. Different strokes for different folks.

Our transfer deals under Bruce (particularly from the summer of 17 onwards) definitely felt more short term than building for the future. I wouldn't want a repeat of that. But - short of the owners deciding to bail - any manager/ head coach in place at the start of next season knows promotion will be priority 1,2 and 3.

but trying to buy our way out didn't work and nearly destroyed the club in the process. That's not to say go completely the other way either. All I'm getting at is I'd rather see players like Barry, Ramsey, Archer, etc on the bench and gaining experience than us buy a bunch of late 20s/early 30s shit like we did last time we were in that league.

3-4 signings of quality at the right age (25-26) to replace the older players who haven't delivered and then keep the younger players and build around that from the youth. That way we go up with a team that are young enough to improve but have a season of hard graft and experience behind them and a small group of 19-20 year olds who have experienced playing in our first team and know what they need to do to stay around it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2020, 09:17:12 PM
A darn sight better than we have become used to.  I would add Andi Weimann to that roll call.

Weimann has become a bit of a Championship journeyman.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2020, 09:20:08 PM
The amount of time to rebuild the squad is going to be very short before the next season starts.
Those teams in division 2 with a settled squad will be in a strong position. We will be needing to rebuild in very short order .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
Veretout could not wait to get away because the manager had not spoken to him for four months.   The snake pit and a media arse licking manager ruined the relationship between the club and a group of very talented players who came to Villa of their own free will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2020, 09:22:41 PM
That could well be another reason to stick with Smith even if we do drop.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 09:23:57 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.

Well, exactly.  Planning for the long-term is only really possible if the young and hungry brigade are good enough to keep you up.  They weren't in 2016, and they're not this year either
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2020, 09:24:20 PM
There are no circumstances in which we should stick with a proven failure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 09:24:22 PM
That could well be another reason to stick with Smith even if we do drop.

'Another' reason?! 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 09:26:19 PM
It is known as The Secret Santa Affair.  The pissing off of good talented players by a cadre of pig shit stupid xenophobes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 09:29:29 PM
That was fully exposed in the Chewing Gum Spitting Outrage.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 09:33:42 PM
At Wycombe
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 09:33:56 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.

Well, exactly.  Planning for the long-term is only really possible if the young and hungry brigade are good enough to keep you up.  They weren't in 2016, and they're not this year either

By 2016 that team would have been good enough to stay up and build on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 06, 2020, 09:38:48 PM
That could well be another reason to stick with Smith even if we do drop.

Has to go.

We need better coaching, tactics and game management whatever division we are in.

First signing needs to be a new manager.

Then we need 3-4 players that give the new coach a balanced team for whatever formation/s he wants to play.

Get rid of proven aging dross like Lansbury and try some of the kids to fill the squad out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 09:40:53 PM

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.

Well, exactly.  Planning for the long-term is only really possible if the young and hungry brigade are good enough to keep you up.  They weren't in 2016, and they're not this year either

Were the younger players the problem? The players that really let us down in the relegation season were Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Gabby. They were supposed to be the experienced spine and they were all fucking shit. Of the younger signings the only one who played regularly and was unmitigated shit was Gestede and he's the one that I never saw the appeal of.

To bring young players through from the reserves and/or smaller leagues you need to have some leaders in the squad that can build around. This year if we can keep Heaton, Mings and Mcginn I think that gives us a pretty solid leadership group, keep most of the younger first players (Konsa, Hause, Targett, Guilbert, Luiz, Nakamba, Wesley, AEG) and you're on the right tracks to having a team that you can build around.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on July 06, 2020, 09:45:56 PM
Paulís got a massive point there, that season the older heads really did let us down badly. Gestede was a terrible signing, I donít have any idea why we bought him or even how we managed to sell him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 10:11:58 PM
I think Rudy Gestede was bought because he ticked the boxes of the Teach Yourself How To Buy  An Overseas Player pull out supplement.  Later used to buy Moraes and Samatta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
Probably because he'd just bagged 20 plus goals in the next league down and looked like he was one who could make the transition. As it was, he couldn't.

But yes, that leadership group of Guzan, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were horseshit.   Imagine being a young player looking fr guidance or good examples during that period.  Like stumbling into Gerry Cottle's circus.

Richards may have been battling a long-term injury as part mitigation. Gabby became a legend in his own lunchtime. All his woes were self inflicted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2020, 10:16:18 PM
That was fully exposed in the Chewing Gum Spitting Outrage.

yeah but that was a perfect storm of the worse set of  players in ability and rotten attitude in my lifetime at least. I was always a bit incredulous of people on here expecting RDM and later Bruce to turn round the damage overnight by throwing money at it and expecting us to get promoted straight off. This set of players......well i wouldn't necessary disagree if someone said so and so wasn't good enough for a promotion challenge, but there's a core there that are good enough given a bit of confidence, and more importantly, aren't arseholes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
Probably because he'd just bagged 20 plus goals in the next league down and looked like he was one who could make the transition. As it was, he couldn't.

But yes, that leadership group of Guzan, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were horseshit.   Imagine being a young player looking fr guidance or good examples during that period.  Like stumbling into Gerry Cottle's circus.

Richards may have been battling a long-term injury as part mitigation. Gabby became a legend in his own lunchtime. All his woes were self inflicted.

I don't see how, despite the 20 goals, anyone can have watched him play and thought he was good enough, one of the most technically poor players I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2020, 10:23:26 PM
I reckon he was bought as it was thought we'd be putting in a shit load of crosses all season, as it was, the ones expected to put them in spent most of the season injured or playing shit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on July 06, 2020, 10:28:13 PM
His scoring record was pretty terrible prior to that season with Boro before he signed. He just didnít look mobile and wasnít great on the ball, considering weíd supposedly bought ball players from a France, it seemed an odd signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 06, 2020, 10:31:04 PM
I reckon he was bought as it was thought we'd be putting in a shit load of crosses all season, as it was, the ones expected to put them in spent most of the season injured or playing shit.

well at least we got our money back selling him. mind you his scoring record doesn't look too bad atm with only Kienan "Ivanhoe" Davis up front


Hang on.............he's been let go. Bring him in ffs. He may not score this season, but at least there's hope.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2020, 10:50:39 PM
Gestede was crap before he joined us, crap with us and crap after.

I think the entire 'young and hungry' thing failed mainly because we didn't have enough grown adults playing alongside them. Lots of those young players have gone on to do well, which kind of backs up that suspicion. Although Jordan Bowery is probably a shift manager at Nando's by now, so not all of them.

I totally agree what really let us down was the behaviour of some of those who should have known better. Agbonlahor, for a start, who managed combine being "Villa through and through" with being a fat waster who managed 3 or 4 goals a year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2020, 11:09:37 PM
That was fully exposed in the Chewing Gum Spitting Outrage.

yeah but that was a perfect storm of the worse set of  players in ability and rotten attitude in my lifetime at least. I was always a bit incredulous of people on here expecting RDM and later Bruce to turn round the damage overnight by throwing money at it and expecting us to get promoted straight off. This set of players......well i wouldn't necessary disagree if someone said so and so wasn't good enough for a promotion challenge, but there's a core there that are good enough given a bit of confidence, and more importantly, aren't arseholes.

Yep, the whole set up was completely rotten by that point.  That Christmas video just epitomised the attitude around the place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 06, 2020, 11:15:43 PM
I couldn't help myself, I had to look up Bowery. He scored 2 for Milton Keynes this/last season, and has now moved to Mansfield Town for free.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 11:20:31 PM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

Dwight Gayle is hardly ancient, scored 20 odd for WBA just the other season and been injured a lot this season but scored two recently v us and Bournemouth.

He comes in and scores his usual and then he becomes a squad striker in premier league which he's been doing this season for Newcastle. Also means we've got one less striker to sign once we're promoted again. I'm also assuming Davis, Wesley and Samatta all stay so you'd like to think one of those would have a really good season scoring wise and show they're ready to do something in the premier league.

Newcastle signed Gayle after getting relegated in 2016. He scored 23 goals and they won the league so a manager like Benitez knew what he was doing in that situation. They also signed Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth and Clark from us and both are still part of their squad four years on as they have another comfortable mid table finish.

Would pass on Grabban though who isn't good enough for the premier league so that would be a very short term move. Can see us going for Lolley who's the grand old age of 27.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 11:31:18 PM
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.

Going to happen again this summer if we go down though. Best players will go, and five or six will need to come in. Agree we need to keep more this time, and think we will. Coaching needs to improve though to see if they can come along.

Also we actually need to get the right few players in so we can pick a formation that has 11 players that can play in it without glaring issues. At no point in the last 3 seasons have we had that. Whatever system we pick somewhere we don't have the right player.

I always think you need 5-6 regardless after relegation just to freshen things up as the squad gets used to losing again and so you risk a hangover at the start of the season if you go with the same players. We saw that at the start of 2016 season when we started the season with likes of Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood and could hardly win a game.

Also the championship schedule is going to be more condensed than usual given it will likely start in September so going to be a game pretty much every midweek so will have to rotate more than usual so will need a competitive squad of over 20 players.

Aside from the big name departures we surely need to shift likes of Taylor and Lansbury who are in last 12 months of their deals so they'll also need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 11:34:50 PM
Five or six is normal anyway, but what we did in 2015-16 was ridiculous. You can't buy virtually an entire new squad in one season and expect them to work out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 11:36:59 PM
Probably because he'd just bagged 20 plus goals in the next league down and looked like he was one who could make the transition. As it was, he couldn't.

But yes, that leadership group of Guzan, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were horseshit.   Imagine being a young player looking fr guidance or good examples during that period.  Like stumbling into Gerry Cottle's circus.

Richards may have been battling a long-term injury as part mitigation. Gabby became a legend in his own lunchtime. All his woes were self inflicted.

I don't see how, despite the 20 goals, anyone can have watched him play and thought he was good enough, one of the most technically poor players I've ever seen.

Gestede did bag a couple of goals from Amavi crosses. As soon as he got injured then Rudy became pretty ineffective.

We went down because we lost Vlaar, Delph and Benteke in one summer. Imagine if we actually stay up and then lose Mings, McGinn and Grealish all in one go. Losing Grealish would be bad enough considering he's the heartbeat of everything we do and we can still barely muster even 30 points in the top league so we'd have to sign some real quality to stay up next season if we do a great escape.

I actually think Gestede would've been an o.k plan B option but he quickly became the default Benteke replacement for some season when we messed up signing a more proven top level striker in the last days of the 2015 window so like last summer and Wesley.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 11:46:08 PM
Had a check back....Newcastle signed 9 players when they got relegated in 2016. Got in Hayden, Gayle, Diame, Clark, Yedlin, Matt Richie and Atsu who were pretty much all from prem clubs (or recently relegated ones) and six of those are still in their first time squad so that core helped them back and then reverted to mostly being squad players.

That summer they sold Townsend, Sissoko and Wijnaldum for over 60m.

However highly your rate Benitez or not that's the benefit right there of having an experienced manager at the helm. He knew exactly what he was doing which was reflected in their 94 points, 32 more than we got.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2020, 11:49:44 PM
We will need to do that. I still believe that if we do go down, even net of Jack, Mings and Luiz, whoever is left because we simply won't sell everyone will be more than able to compete at the top end from the very start. The key is the manager. Will it be Smith or someone else?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 06, 2020, 11:51:22 PM
We will really need to rid the smell of defeat before we think about buying players.  This means changes in manager and recruitment for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
its the most important signing we make in the summer
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 07, 2020, 09:20:22 AM
120 million spent, no pace, no experience and no striker.

When we get relegated signing Grabban and Gayle is a must. I don't care what happens with Davis, Wesley or Samatta.

Err, ok. Lets sign a 29 year old and a 32 year old that are not quite good enough for the top flight, that will sort all of our problems out.

Dwight Gayle is hardly ancient, scored 20 odd for WBA just the other season and been injured a lot this season but scored two recently v us and Bournemouth.

He comes in and scores his usual and then he becomes a squad striker in premier league which he's been doing this season for Newcastle. Also means we've got one less striker to sign once we're promoted again. I'm also assuming Davis, Wesley and Samatta all stay so you'd like to think one of those would have a really good season scoring wise and show they're ready to do something in the premier league.

Newcastle signed Gayle after getting relegated in 2016. He scored 23 goals and they won the league so a manager like Benitez knew what he was doing in that situation. They also signed Matt Ritchie from Bournemouth and Clark from us and both are still part of their squad four years on as they have another comfortable mid table finish.

Would pass on Grabban though who isn't good enough for the premier league so that would be a very short term move. Can see us going for Lolley who's the grand old age of 27.

If we do go down, I definitely think we need to bring in a striker like Gayle.  Wesley probably won't be fit for the start of the season and Samatta and Davis haven't exactly been convincing. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2020, 09:42:09 AM
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 07, 2020, 09:44:31 AM
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 07, 2020, 10:05:13 AM
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

Aston Villa.

We have a nasty habit of coaching any talent out of players that seems to transcend all coaching and manager combinations. Ditto fitness levels and level of injuries. Even under MON we were poor at coaching, we just had better quality more motivated badly coached players.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2020, 11:28:02 PM
We have the same effect on strikers as we do managers. B6 is usually the point where the driver turns to them and announces its the end of the line.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: myf on July 08, 2020, 12:05:26 AM
Not sure what's happened to Samatta.

He looked fine early on, against Leicester in the cup and Bournemouth. And in the cup final. But since the restart he hasn't looked at it at all. Wonder if it's issues with the family settling - particularly with lockdown and all that fun and games.

Either way he looks a different player.

He's playing in a shite team in empty stadiums with no chances being created. Another classic example of a player being written off by large parts of our fanbase after only playing 3 months of football for us.

Looks like a good player to me. needs the service
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2020, 07:31:04 AM
He looked OK first half at Newcastle too. I think half the issue with Samatta is that he has zero support at the moment and Jack isn't the player he was pre lock down for whatever reason. As such he's so isolated at times he might as well be sat in the car park. I actually think a pair of him and Wesley next season would be pretty special. Agree with the calls for signing Gayle. I wanted him when he was at Palace, he's got that knack of just scoring goals, and in that division we saw with Tammy that if you have someone doing that you have a decent chance.

The bigger issue will then be how we reshape the side post Jack. With him going there is room to get wide players that can beat a man and more pace through the side. Atsu Yedlin and Richie were brilliant signings by Newcastle because they have then that supply line.

I think we will need a leader in the back 4 too. Mings will go, so we need an experienced head to organise and lead. Heaton will help with that though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2020, 07:40:40 AM
We will be left with
Nyland Steer
Elmo
Hause
Target?
Hourihane
Nakamba
Wes
Trez
Davis
Jota
Engels?
and a bunch of youngsters

Without substantial improvement mid table in the 2 nd Division at best.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2020, 08:00:06 AM
Trez will go. Heaton will still be here. I reckon Fred will stay, and not convinced McGinn will go due to what we all for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 08:04:02 AM
Guilbert? Konsa? AEG?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 08, 2020, 08:10:14 AM
I'm not worried about building a new team if we go down. It's not like last time when we had loads of deadwood on mental wages and no re-sale value. The likes of grealish, Mcginn going would bring in best part of 100m so half of that should get you decent championship replacements with the rest offsetting the losses
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 08, 2020, 08:14:17 AM
I donít really think he will, but Iíd like to think Mings would give us a season to try and get back up as payback for rescuing his career.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Mings to Man Utd speculation today.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2020, 08:42:42 AM
They do this sort of thing before games all the time, the wankers. I'd love it if we would refuse to sell to them, whatever the price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
Mings to Man Utd speculation today.

Would bite their hands off for what we paid plus Axel. Has been found wanting this year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 09:57:02 AM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.
Wouldn't Mings and Axel be a fine pairing? We hang on to Mr T and bring in Axel, we have a mobile and energetic CB duo, with Konsa and Hause as back-up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 08, 2020, 11:31:36 AM
Problem with Axel is that he appears injury prone
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2020, 11:34:06 AM
I donít really think he will, but Iíd like to think Mings would give us a season to try and get back up as payback for rescuing his career.

Footballer grows conscience shocker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 08, 2020, 11:59:24 AM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.

Axel is a fine player on the ball, and very quick, but used get bullied routinely by championship centre forwards. The kind of forward Mings used eat alive last season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 12:02:54 PM
Think Axel's weakness was when the ball was in the air.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2020, 12:57:44 PM
and the fact that for large chunks of both his loan seasons,he was  stuck in the physio room.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.

They can get fucked at that price mate. We paid £25m for him based on performances in the Championship, and that was on 6 months football after he'd been crocked for nearly 3 years.

He's now played a full season in the top flight and played for England alongside the man they just paid £80m for. Double what we paid plus Axel please, or get tae fuck.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
nobody is going to pay us £50m for Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 08, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
nobody is going to pay us £50m for Mings.
Yes, I think this season has shown his limitations.  He's still of great value to us, especially if we go down, but I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near that if he leaves at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
Think Axel's weakness was when the ball was in the air.

Yep and I suspect it's why he'll struggle to make it as a centre back at the highest level, more likely to be a defensive midfielder in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 08, 2020, 01:13:48 PM
nobody is going to pay us £50m for Mings.
Yes, I think this season has shown his limitations.  He's still of great value to us, especially if we go down, but I'd be surprised if we got anywhere near that if he leaves at the end of the season.
I reckon he'll want to still play in the Premier League so as to be in a chance of playing for England. If he did stay with us, I think he'd make a good captain. He comes over well in interviews too, which will reflect well on us in this mass media age.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2020, 01:18:04 PM
nobody is going to pay us £50m for Mings.

Well they can get tae fuck then, job done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Quite. If Axel was going to be as good as Mings, he would already be getting a lot more games for Man U.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2020, 01:24:22 PM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.

They can get fucked at that price mate. We paid £25m for him based on performances in the Championship, and that was on 6 months football after he'd been crocked for nearly 3 years.

He's now played a full season in the top flight and played for England alongside the man they just paid £80m for. Double what we paid plus Axel please, or get tae fuck.

Yes, and if we had taken him on loan this season we would be offering about £10m based on the last 6 months performances. We paid far too much based on excellent championship form, and the fact we were desperate to retain some of our promoted teams best players for continuity. I supported that at the time as it made sense and we had enough new players to bed in, but he has not been worth the money this season and his value has decreased not increased since we paid it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
Has it fuck.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
There is a tendancy on this board when things aren't going well to don the shite tinted spectacles.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2020, 01:30:03 PM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.

They can get fucked at that price mate. We paid £25m for him based on performances in the Championship, and that was on 6 months football after he'd been crocked for nearly 3 years.

He's now played a full season in the top flight and played for England alongside the man they just paid £80m for. Double what we paid plus Axel please, or get tae fuck.

Yes, and if we had taken him on loan this season we would be offering about £10m based on the last 6 months performances. We paid far too much based on excellent championship form, and the fact we were desperate to retain some of our promoted teams best players for continuity. I supported that at the time as it made sense and we had enough new players to bed in, but he has not been worth the money this season and his value has decreased not increased since we paid it.

That's some next level attempt to talk the club down under any circumstances.

We signed Mings when he wasn't good enough to get in the Bournemouth team.

A year later he has played for England and, apparently, Man United want to sign him.

And his value has gone... down?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2020, 01:30:35 PM
Has it fuck.

Agreed, LeeB.

If they thought Maguire was worth £80m, £50 is a generous price from an Aston Villa perspective.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 08, 2020, 01:32:46 PM
Mings has been another hamstrung by the lack of movement in front of him meaning he holds onto the ball too long, he's not looked great but if we didn't get back at least what we paid, after his England caps and subsequent increased profile, I'd eat my hat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2020, 01:36:07 PM
Mings has been another hamstrung by the lack of movement in front of him meaning he holds onto the ball too long, he's not looked great but if we didn't get back at least what we paid, after his England caps and subsequent increased profile, I'd eat my hat.

And I'd eat it after it passed through.

You watch now, the revelation of a £20m release clause in his contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 08, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
We signed Mings when he wasn't good enough to get in the Bournemouth team.

A year later he has played for England and, apparently, Man United want to sign him.

And his value has gone... down?
I think that's offset by the fact that he's been a member of a truly terrible defence this season and has made more than his fair share of mistakes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2020, 01:44:05 PM
We signed Mings when he wasn't good enough to get in the Bournemouth team.

A year later he has played for England and, apparently, Man United want to sign him.

And his value has gone... down?
I think that's offset by the fact that he's been a member of a truly terrible defence this season and has made more than his fair share of mistakes.

So... Man U obviously wouldn't want to sign him, then. Panic over.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 08, 2020, 01:51:21 PM
It's all fucking bollocks. If they want him, they can damn well pay  a fortune. By all accounts, and if you use the logic that has been applied in reverse elsewhere, Smith has coached Mings to International level and thus increased his value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
I would take 15 and Axel for Mings to be fair. I like him a lot but Axel will be the better player in the long run.

We'd still need a dominant CB though. Yes Mings has lost form over last few months but he's still that leader type in the backline. Not so great in premier league but hugely influential in the championship.

Axel strikes me as a number 2 CB and certainly not as good in the air. Would hope we will pick up an out of favour CB at a prem club like we did with Chester. Shane Duffy at Brighton strikes me as an obvious target. Good in the air but lost his place this season so assume he'd be available.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2020, 02:04:23 PM
We will be left with
Nyland Steer
Elmo
Hause
Target?
Hourihane
Nakamba
Wes
Trez
Davis
Jota
Engels?
and a bunch of youngsters

Without substantial improvement mid table in the 2 nd Division at best.



Add 4-5 decent players and that will be good enough for top 2 I reckon.

Interesting what the championship schedule will be for next season. Talk it won't start until early September. In normal seasons you've normally played 8-9 games by then. Play offs will also be a bit earlier due to the euros.

No idea how they squeeze 46 games in amongst all the cups. Perhaps they'll put matches on in international weekends which used to happen in the late 90s.

One thing I have missed is the constant Saturday-Tues/weds-Saturday fixture list down there. We had some memorable midweek games down there and will be even more of that with the condensed time to get the season played.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2020, 03:56:15 PM
some over on VT are debating Rooney for a season or two. Blimey.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
Think Axel's weakness was when the ball was in the air.

Yep and I suspect it's why he'll struggle to make it as a centre back at the highest level, more likely to be a defensive midfielder in my opinion.
We need one of them - 'marvelous' ain't it, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 08, 2020, 04:20:11 PM
Think Axel's weakness was when the ball was in the air.

Yep and I suspect it's why he'll struggle to make it as a centre back at the highest level, more likely to be a defensive midfielder in my opinion.
We need one of them - 'marvelous' ain't it, that's for sure.
I'd forgotten all about him!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: supertom on July 08, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
some over on VT are debating Rooney for a season or two. Blimey.
In the championship yes. He's talismanic and we're gonna be all but stripped of that kind of player this summer. He's done at Prem level. I think he's done okay at Derby mostly playing CM. Though I'd probably still like to see him further forward in a 10. We'll be needing to replace Grealish's nous, so Wazza plus 1-2 younger talents who could step up. We need the next Mount/Maddison. There've been a few young Brit playmakers coming through recently. There must be more, and a loan down to the championship (unless we scout and buy a rival champ player) might be sensible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 10, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
Jeff Hendrick - free transfer, would be decent wages and contract but give some bite and leadership in midfield

Ebreche Eze - one of the best players in the Championship, probably be about £20m and would want decent money at that level but right age and an obvious Jack replacement

Kemar Roofe - available and can get goals from wide areas in the Championship, can cover CF too.

Ollie Watkins - £18m release fee

Mings, Grealish, Luiz, Trezeguet and Samatta to go for me. I'd try and keep Mings but seems unlikely. Try everything to keep McGinn.

I'd try and let Engels go and get an experienced centre half in too, a bit of leadership back there might help as Konsa and Hause would be two inexperienced players with Guilbert and Targett still finding their feet too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
Eze is close to joining Palace apparently. Hendrick been linked to AC Milan and can't see why he'd leave Burnley for a championship club in waiting.

Can see likes of Gayle, Harry Wilson being on the domestic target list (no idea what we'll get from abroad but you'd imagine we'd sign some players we know little about).

Would go for Buendia as our marquee signing. I reckon he'd cost less than the Brentford mob. Think they'll want to cash in (signed him for about 2m) and depends if he wants to be prem squad player or main man here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2020, 02:49:54 PM
I'd take Watkins at £18 though. Bargain.

Not sure Newcastle will let Gayle go the way he has finished the season.

If Mings is happy to stay then we should keep him of course, but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
Watkins will be a PL player in September.

Hendrick to AC Milan?! Fucking hell, reminds me of Gary Breen linked with Inter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 11, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Work out who wants to stay, who we want to keep, milk every penny we can get for those who want to leave.

Then work out which kids will be given a chance and make sure we don't block their paths.

Then fill the gaps and make sure new signings are very high quality players. Something we often haven't done well at.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 11, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
Jeff Hendrick - free transfer, would be decent wages and contract but give some bite and leadership in midfield

Ebreche Eze - one of the best players in the Championship, probably be about £20m and would want decent money at that level but right age and an obvious Jack replacement

Kemar Roofe - available and can get goals from wide areas in the Championship, can cover CF too.

Ollie Watkins - £18m release fee

Mings, Grealish, Luiz, Trezeguet and Samatta to go for me. I'd try and keep Mings but seems unlikely. Try everything to keep McGinn.

I'd try and let Engels go and get an experienced centre half in too, a bit of leadership back there might help as Konsa and Hause would be two inexperienced players with Guilbert and Targett still finding their feet too.

Some good shouts there. I like Hendrick and Roofe is proven at this level. Heard good things about Eze as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2020, 09:02:10 PM
the correct answer:

Choose a formation and identity.  My preference is 433. 451 when defending, big lump/pivot up top.

Sell:  Optimise value, plus I think theyíll ask to leave: Grealish and Mings.  A combined £100m (plus Axel from Man U in one combined clusterfuck of a transfer deal)
Sell: Trez/Ghazi (hopefully Trez but ultimately whichever we break even on).
Sell: Nylan (promote Steer and a kid).
Sell:  Engles
 
Buy: 2x £25m winger/inside forward types, the chap from Brentford and Eze for example (or James on loan from Man U in the clusterfuck deal).  Supplemented by El Ghazi or Trez.
Buy: Experienced CB who will guide the kids.

the above is what Iíd like to happen.  If other players engineer a move then we have cash to Ďgo largeí on their replacements.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Lsvilla on July 11, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
Maybe just my current mood after following the cricket and other results today but this is the most depressing thread Iíve read for a while.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2020, 09:12:22 PM
I still reckon England will win.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: steamer on July 11, 2020, 09:48:34 PM
The Windies are wont to collapse so not a bad call
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2020, 11:22:17 PM
In - Snodgrass, Albrighton, Lolley, Shane Duffy, Jack Cork, Maja or Brewster, Che Adams

Sold - Grealish, Mings, McGinn, Luiz

Push - Nyland, Taylor, Engels, Nakamba, Jota,

Run - Lansbury, 'Trez', Bree, Hogan
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 11, 2020, 11:26:00 PM
I hope we donít let Drinkwater leave. Heís been invaluable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2020, 11:27:43 PM
I'd keep Drinkwater and break the bank to get Baston back. Champions League Winners 2023.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2020, 11:31:13 PM
Never mind fucking about with philosophies or credos. This is the Championship; we need no-nonsense, couldn't give a fuck warriors. It's going to be Gustavo Bartelt's year next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: garyellis on July 15, 2020, 11:40:00 AM
Transfer deadline dates announced
Opens when premier league finishes 27 July to 5th October
An extension for business between Premier League and EFL only to 16 October
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 15, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
Pinch of salt time here but my coach mate at villa has said the following.

If we go down the budget will be 40 million ish regardless of how much we make from selling the big boys.

If we stay up we will spend between 80-100 million on 3 or 4 players with a cb who's already passed a medical from a premier league club the number 1 target. (If we go down it swaps to a loan to buy)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2020, 02:01:57 PM
Axel?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 15, 2020, 02:09:56 PM
Pinch of salt time here but my coach mate at villa has said the following.

If we go down the budget will be 40 million ish regardless of how much we make from selling the big boys.

If we stay up we will spend between 80-100 million on 3 or 4 players with a cb who's already passed a medical from a premier league club the number 1 target. (If we go down it swaps to a loan to buy)

Makes perfect sense, if we go down.
I think Jack and Tyrone will definitely go, by all accounts so will Trez and possibly Doug. I'm not altogether sure SJM will want to go.
Given that, I think our squad will be pretty decent, so 2x £20m players and 2x Loan to buy would probably be all we'd need.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
The numbers sound a bit dissapointing to me, particulalry if we stay up, considering we're hoping to get £60m + for Jack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: fredm on July 15, 2020, 02:53:33 PM
I think if we stay up there may well be only a few leaving, those who are not generally around the first team squad.  With the addition of a central defender, left back, midfielder and an attacker this squad, with having had a full seasons experience behind them, should be good enough for a mid-table finish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2020, 05:57:44 PM
Pinch of salt time here but my coach mate at villa has said the following.

If we go down the budget will be 40 million ish regardless of how much we make from selling the big boys.

If we stay up we will spend between 80-100 million on 3 or 4 players with a cb who's already passed a medical from a premier league club the number 1 target. (If we go down it swaps to a loan to buy)

When did he pass the medical? January but he went somewhere else last minute?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 15, 2020, 06:48:00 PM
We can't keep having the same level of churn of players and need to settle the squad down.  I think it is highly likely we will go down and need three or four players at the most to try to get back up.  Arguably, this is the same for the Premier division if we stay up as we need a bit of quality rather than quantity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 15, 2020, 07:28:01 PM
Axel?

I put 2 and 2 together and came up with him.

Someone asked about the medical and it was last week apparently not Jan. He said last Thursday which is again how axel popped straight back into my head.

As for the figures being low he said the key word is sustainability and that he feels Smith is only here because the other managers we are interested see the budgets as to low
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2020, 08:07:08 PM
80-100 million if we stay up will still be a massive spend on 3-4 players. The right ones and we will be easily mid table.

If we drop, then 40 has to stretch to 6/7 players realistic, or we are keeping hold of more than we think. We need to be smart and get a couple of good loans too. Leeds got that White, Albion a quick winner from West Ham and both have been excellent. We need to do similar.

If the centre back is Axel then happy days, he's a quality defender and would be good in both divisions next season, but more importantly could slot in next to Hause and Konsa in the Championship with total ease.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 16, 2020, 12:20:25 AM
Axel?

I put 2 and 2 together and came up with him.

Someone asked about the medical and it was last week apparently not Jan. He said last Thursday which is again how axel popped straight back into my head.

As for the figures being low he said the key word is sustainability and that he feels Smith is only here because the other managers we are interested see the budgets as to low

If it is Tuanzebe, then what does it say for the two RCBs we signed last summer, namely Konsa and Engels? Both defenders Smith knew a lot about beforehand given he used to manage Konsa and tried to sign Engels previously. We hardly saw Engels again after Shane Long destroyed him around Xmas time. Decent defender he looked early on but lack of pace a real problem. Konsa, I don't see it at all really. Physically soft and a horrid ball watching habit.

Where Tuanzebe was handy was his recovery pace was excellent and also he was comfortable stepping into midfield with the ball. Decidedly average at the other aspects of centre half play I thought, beaten in the air regularly and very suspect positional sense. Mings provided the ballast next to him I guess so it worked well, with a solid keeper in Steer behind them. Likes of Elmo and Taylor, while average didn't have to do much more than be stoppers at full back so as a unit it was solid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
very injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Tuanzebe hasn't pushed on, he never plays and if we stay up I'd hope we get better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 16, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
Not worth more than a few million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 16, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Tuanzebe hasn't pushed on, he never plays and if we stay up I'd hope we get better.

If we stay up then we really need an experienced centre half who will get Mings in line as well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 16, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
Tuanzebe hasn't pushed on, he never plays and if we stay up I'd hope we get better.

If we stay up then we really need an experienced centre half who will get Mings in line as well.

Not a chance in hell Tyrone will be here next season, regardless of whether we drop or not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 16, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Tuanzebe hasn't pushed on, he never plays and if we stay up I'd hope we get better.

If we stay up then we really need an experienced centre half who will get Mings in line as well.

Not a chance in hell Tyrone will be here next season, regardless of whether we drop or not.
Why do you say that?  If we stay up I absolutely expect him to stay and probably be made captain.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 16, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Tuanzebe hasn't pushed on, he never plays and if we stay up I'd hope we get better.

If we stay up then we really need an experienced centre half who will get Mings in line as well.

Not a chance in hell Tyrone will be here next season, regardless of whether we drop or not.
Why do you say that?  If we stay up I absolutely expect him to stay and probably be made captain.

For me, his overall attitude. Itís completely different to how it once was. At one point, he was an exceptional leader, he certainly isnít now. England changed him, as regards playing for us,  heís also now part of some big US Sports Management company.

Iím sure theyíll be looking to get him moved somewhere bigger to expand their brand.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 16, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
Expand their brand?  He plays for England.  If we stay up, Mings stays at villa.  No doubts at all.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 03:07:09 PM
Yeah, that is nonsense. Unless we go down or someone offers, at least, £50 million, he will be at Villa next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: in exile on July 16, 2020, 03:08:44 PM
£50 million my arse!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 03:10:36 PM
Well, exactly. I wasn't saying anyone would be paying it. That's why he won't be going anywhere.

If we stay up, anyhow.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 16, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
Expand their brand?  He plays for England.  If we stay up, Mings stays at villa.  No doubts at all.

Meaning his club, not his country. Nonsense? We'll see.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 16, 2020, 04:36:47 PM
Mings wonít go if we stay up. Wouldnít see anyone paying a big enough fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 16, 2020, 05:01:26 PM
£50 million my arse!

I'd like to see your arse first before parting with that kind of money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: WassallVillain on July 16, 2020, 10:46:13 PM
Iíd be very underwhelmed with Axel. As someone said earlier great recovery pace, and it must be said we do need that, but very lacking in the main centre back necessity of heading. Add to that made of glass.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 16, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
Iíd be very underwhelmed with Axel. As someone said earlier great recovery pace, and it must be said we do need that, but very lacking in the main centre back necessity of heading. Add to that made of glass.

I agree with you. I think he is no better than Konsa and will prevent Konsa's growth within the squad.  That said, it may not be Tuanzebe.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 16, 2020, 11:35:37 PM
Iíd be very underwhelmed with Axel. As someone said earlier great recovery pace, and it must be said we do need that, but very lacking in the main centre back necessity of heading. Add to that made of glass.

I agree with you. I think he is no better than Konsa and will prevent Konsa's growth within the squad.  That said, it may not be Tuanzebe.

Personally i think Konsa is a better player but Tuanzebe is slightly quicker and that masks a lot of problems.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2020, 06:29:29 AM
Axel has the structural integrity of melted chocolate. A no from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 17, 2020, 07:08:23 AM
I agree with some of the above posters that there is no chance in hell mings is here next season. His heads been turned and he's not interested. The fee is the only stumbling block but I highly doubt we will even see him ponce around villa Park with his pointless momentum killing balls back to the keeper from the halfway line or total disinterested approach to the game.
He's been a totally different player since his England debut and it saddens me to say it but I don't want him here after his capitulation in form. Konsa on the other hand will come good im sure. But he needs a better partner than mings to learn off and be organised by. A John Terry style centre back and leader would have Konsa come on in leaps and bounds!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Gary Penrice on July 17, 2020, 09:57:25 AM
A striker who can score goals would be nice!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: levico on July 17, 2020, 10:06:08 AM
A striker who can score goals would be nice!

Absolutely. I had come to the conclusion that Samatta might be a handy asset in the Championship but his recent form leads me to think that heíd struggle in League 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2020, 10:12:31 AM
I thought Samatta looked decent before the lockdown but since we've been back, he's looking like a player who's playing his first games and struggling to adjust to the league. I think he's worth persevering with personally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 11:47:49 AM
I agree with some of the above posters that there is no chance in hell mings is here next season. His heads been turned and he's not interested. The fee is the only stumbling block but I highly doubt we will even see him ponce around villa Park with his pointless momentum killing balls back to the keeper from the halfway line or total disinterested approach to the game.
He's been a totally different player since his England debut and it saddens me to say it but I don't want him here after his capitulation in form. Konsa on the other hand will come good im sure. But he needs a better partner than mings to learn off and be organised by. A John Terry style centre back and leader would have Konsa come on in leaps and bounds!

I just think this is incredibly harsh on Mings. I think he struggles more next to Hause with playing as 2 left footers, than he does with Konsa, but it is easy to forget that until he signed, he'd played much of his professional career at left back.

When we go down he will almost certainly go because of keeping his England squad place, which will be a shame. I do think Konsa has incredible potential though, and Hause is a much better player than people give him credit for. Get Engels fit and replace Mings with an experienced centre half we will have enough at the back next season. Our biggest mistake this season was taking Engels over Cahill, who would have helped Mings through the season.

If Bruce wants McGinn, to that knob head its £40 million minimum.

Jack will go anyway, but after those 3 and Doug back to Man City we need to draw the line, replace them well and move on. Get some pace out wide, potentially sell Samatta and buy a Gayle type that will get you 20 plus goals in the champ, and walk it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: gpbarr on July 18, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Grealish, McGinn, Mings, and Luiz should collect over 100m for the club. The owners will no doubt add to the pot, and with parachute payments, we have an exciting (short!) summer ahead. If they stick with Dean, its a huge gamble and he has to have final say over who comes in.

this season could yet be the dawn of a better future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
When can clubs buy players?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 18, 2020, 12:08:50 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Trezeguet, Luiz, Engels are all likely to go. Samatta and Nakamba I'd sell anyway. Bree, Taylor, Elmo, Nyland, Hourihane, Lansbury, Jota and Davis in their final year of contracts. You could be looking at replacing more than 10 players again, including more than half the first team. It's a massive rebuild, again. One I don't think the recruitment team/scouts are up to.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 12:14:49 PM
I think Engels might stay under a new manager, and some of the players with one year left on their contract would still be able to contribute, even if they don't renew their deals, just as Hutton, Jedinak, Adomah, Elphick and Whelan did.

Didn't realise Hot Lips' deal was nearly due up, I must admit. I'd definitely be offering him a new deal as, while not the greatest midfielder of all time, he is too good to walk out on a free.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
McGinn linked to the Barcodes on today's BBC rumours page; inevitably.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 12:34:07 PM
I wouldn't be amazed if the Newcastle takeover saga drags out for months, and they find themselves unable to buy anyone. Even if it does go through, they'll likely want their own manager in and who knows whether the new bloke is going to be a big McGinn fan? If the sale goes through relatively smoothly, they'd be more likely to be shopping in Barcelona than Brum.

I'd be more concerned about Rodgers going back for McGinn with Leicester.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2020, 01:19:22 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Trezeguet, Luiz, Engels are all likely to go. Samatta and Nakamba I'd sell anyway. Bree, Taylor, Elmo, Nyland, Hourihane, Lansbury, Jota and Davis in their final year of contracts. You could be looking at replacing more than 10 players again, including more than half the first team. It's a massive rebuild, again. One I don't think the recruitment team/scouts are up to.


I hope a complete rebuild doesnít happen.  Itís a short summer so hopefully there will not be time for that many to leave. 

Youíd imagine that players will have to force moves to make anything happen and Iím not sure McGinn is that sort of player.  Equally I donít see how Man City benefit from re-signing Luis when a year bossing the championship would help his development.

Priority signings for me will be two wingers regardless of the division we are in so hopefully that planning is already underway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2020, 01:24:08 PM
Luiz is highly thought of in the Brazil set up (earning his first full cap last year). 

I don't see how a year bossing the championship will help a player like that with his international ambitions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 18, 2020, 01:24:52 PM
When can clubs buy players?

Not sure but I think pretty much as soon as the final whistle on the last Premier League game finishes, or the day after.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Trezeguet, Luiz, Engels are all likely to go. Samatta and Nakamba I'd sell anyway. Bree, Taylor, Elmo, Nyland, Hourihane, Lansbury, Jota and Davis in their final year of contracts. You could be looking at replacing more than 10 players again, including more than half the first team. It's a massive rebuild, again. One I don't think the recruitment team/scouts are up to.


Unless we make a decent profit, only Grealish, Mings and Luiz should be allowed to go. The rest are easily good enough for the championship, and replacing 10 players would be pointless and not help us in the long run.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2020, 01:32:49 PM
Leicester's recruitment is really good. I would be surprised if they were prepared to pay top money for McGinn when they can probably find someone who could do very well for them without paying that kind of money.

With how good Luiz has been since Lockdown, it wouldn't surprise me if Guardiola activated Man City's clause and brought him back.

It's a shame we've not been able to consistently field a midfield central 3 of this Luiz, McGinn and Grealish. Luiz needed time to adjust and a pre-season, Jack has had to play wide because our wide players weren't good enough and McGinn's had injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
Grealish, McGinn, Mings, and Luiz should collect over 100m for the club. The owners will no doubt add to the pot, and with parachute payments, we have an exciting (short!) summer ahead. If they stick with Dean, its a huge gamble and he has to have final say over who comes in.

this season could yet be the dawn of a better future.

The last thing we need is another complete overhaul. I doubt weíll have much choice but to lose the players you mention, but as we need to be smarter in revamping the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 01:39:53 PM
I think Wesley not being fit since new year has hurt the midfield. It's meant they have had a lot less time to get on the ball going forward. Injuries have buggered us completely really.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
When can clubs buy players?

Not sure but I think pretty much as soon as the final whistle on the last Premier League game finishes, or the day after.

Bit annoying it is so soon. I work by the airport, but I'm working from home at the moment. Won't be able to keep an eye out for Messi and Mbappe.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2020, 01:47:34 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Trezeguet, Luiz, Engels are all likely to go. Samatta and Nakamba I'd sell anyway. Bree, Taylor, Elmo, Nyland, Hourihane, Lansbury, Jota and Davis in their final year of contracts. You could be looking at replacing more than 10 players again, including more than half the first team. It's a massive rebuild, again. One I don't think the recruitment team/scouts are up to.


Most of the squad players will have to stay even if they're not much good.

Going into next season with all its fixture congestion with a smaller senior squad than this season would be bizarre, remember we played a month of this season without an actual striker.

Edit: I thought Hourihane signed a new deal end of last season?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
i thought the transfer window was July 27th - October 5th with the Chumps starting on either 29th August or 12th September?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2020, 02:22:35 PM
Hourihane did sign a new contract less than a year ago. He won't be off ifwe don't want him to leave.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 02:37:43 PM
Oh, that's good then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: MillerBall on July 18, 2020, 02:38:55 PM
On the issue of the forward players I suspect that we have players who may perhaps be ok in the Championship (could be a bit too much biff and bang for them) but most certainly not suitable for the premiership.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2020, 05:05:07 PM
I don't think we do - you need a goalscorer like Abraham to stand any chance of promotion and Samatta and Wesley are the polar opposite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 18, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
I don't think we do - you need a goalscorer like Abraham to stand any chance of promotion and Samatta and Wesley are the polar opposite.

This is the issue. Weíre hoping that players who canít hit a barn door at the moment will suddenly turn into serious goal threats if we drop a division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 18, 2020, 05:40:56 PM
Why would Engels leave?

Don't need to have wholesale departures. If we go dow, as has already been stated here, we will need a squad.

You just c@nnot keep ditching 10 players every f***ing season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 05:44:53 PM


You just c@nnot keep ditching 10 players every f***ing season.
you can if they're shit
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 05:45:39 PM
On the issue of the forward players I suspect that we have players who may perhaps be ok in the Championship (could be a bit too much biff and bang for them) but most certainly not suitable for the premiership.
Davis, Samatta and Wesley probably couldn't get 10 goals between them in any league
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 18, 2020, 05:47:58 PM


You just c@nnot keep ditching 10 players every f***ing season.
you can if they're shit
Well in that case League 2 here we come.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 05:51:12 PM


You just c@nnot keep ditching 10 players every f***ing season.
you can if they're shit
Well in that case League 2 here we come.
Do a wolves - double relegation... :D
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2020, 07:40:58 PM
On the issue of the forward players I suspect that we have players who may perhaps be ok in the Championship (could be a bit too much biff and bang for them) but most certainly not suitable for the premiership.
Davis, Samatta and Wesley probably couldn't get 10 goals between them in any league

Samatta and Wesley got about 40 between them in Belgium last season, Samatta scoring at Liverpool in the Champions league this season, and at Wembley against Man City for us. His confidence is on the floor, but there is a decent striker in him. Likewise Wesley, who had what, 5 or 6 league goals at Christmas? Nothing to say he would not have got to 12 or 13 had he stayed fit all season. This fuck em off they are all shit mentality is so short sighted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 18, 2020, 07:52:01 PM
We are absolutely crying out for pace going forward. Right now our attacks are made at the pace of an asthmatic ant.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
I don't think we do - you need a goalscorer like Abraham to stand any chance of promotion and Samatta and Wesley are the polar opposite.

Most of the sides who have been promoted in recent seasons have had a battery of forwards to call upon.  Abraham went above and beyond last season goals-wise.

The year before that, we had Davis, Kodjia, Hogan and Grabban who all chipped in with vital goals along the way to give us a chance.

Can see Samatta leaving (think there will still be a fair bit of demand for a forward who has scored goals in the Champions League recently) but probably for about the same we paid. Wesley will stay at least until January due to his rehabilitation. So him and Davis plus someone like Dwight Gayle and Kemar Roofe puts us in decent shape for what will be a dog of a season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
Doubt Wesley will be fit under October. It was a very serious injury let's not forget otherwise he'd have been back in three months like McGinn.

Is he even training now as you'd need a good six weeks to get the intensity up.

Also have to remember Kodj was never the same force after his two injuries in 2017.

In an ideal world I'd loan Davis out aswell. He could kick on getting regular starts somewhere else where there's less pressure and expectation.

In the tricky situation where no one would take us seriously if the club came out and said they'd want to smash the championship and then we have a starting striker as someone who's scored 3 goals since 2017. He isn't going to kick on just having 5-10 minute sub cameos either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 18, 2020, 10:45:03 PM
I don't think we do - you need a goalscorer like Abraham to stand any chance of promotion and Samatta and Wesley are the polar opposite.

The teams in the top two places in the Championship this year have done it with Patrick Bamford and Hal Robson-Kanu. Wesley has already scored more goals in the Premier League than Bamford in less appearances. He's only three short this season of Neal Maupay who many on here would have preferred as a signing and scored plenty in the Championship. He'd be absolutely fine in the championship.

If we are down I would like us to sign a grizzled older head up front as well though - someone like Grabban - as a good option to bring on and for Wesley/Davis to learn from.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2020, 10:54:05 PM
McGinn linked to the Barcodes on today's BBC rumours page; inevitably.
No chance. With their new found filthy wealth they will shopping in Paris, Madrid and Barcelona.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on July 18, 2020, 11:05:44 PM
Iíd be getting Joe Lolley, Che Adams and Marc Albrighton. Making Luiz skipper and selling Grealish and Mings. Weíd piss the league
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 18, 2020, 11:49:28 PM
McGinn linked to the Barcodes on today's BBC rumours page; inevitably.
No chance. With their new found filthy wealth they will shopping in Paris, Madrid and Barcelona.

For their reserve players maybe.  Who, from those regions would want to go and live in Newcastle?  The only reason McGinn would go is because it's closer to his family in Scotland.  If he does go, I'd want a loan deal for Gayle and a swap for Hayden, plus lots of incoming money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2020, 10:38:31 AM
Iíd be getting Joe Lolley, Che Adams and Marc Albrighton. Making Luiz skipper and selling Grealish and Mings. Weíd piss the league
You list 3 players that would definitely add some quality to our squad; could also do with a speedster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 19, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
Iíd be getting Joe Lolley, Che Adams and Marc Albrighton. Making Luiz skipper and selling Grealish and Mings. Weíd piss the league
You list 3 players that would definitely add some quality to our squad; could also do with a speedster.

Che Adams is not a bad shout. is he getting any time at Southampton?
I think him and Wesley/Davis would make a good pairing up front.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 19, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
Speed and physical presence are also required.  Che Adams is a good shout up front.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2020, 10:59:36 AM
I've never rated him. He possibly had his one good season like Gestede and got a big move out of it. I'd look elsewhere personally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: garyellis on July 19, 2020, 11:08:22 AM
I wouldn't sell anyone other than Jack. Both McGinn and Mings are on long contracts there is no need to sell. If either fancy a season on the bench then that would be up to them. We need to make a statement if we go down that we will be coming straight back up and stronger.
I can't see the owners wanting/demanding anything less.
A goal scorer and some pace in the team with the cash from Jack is essential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 19, 2020, 11:10:07 AM
I wouldn't sell anyone other than Jack. Both McGinn and Mings are on long contracts there is no need to sell. If either fancy a season on the bench then that would be up to them. We need to make a statement if we go down that we will be coming straight back up and stronger.
I can't see the owners wanting/demanding anything less.
A goal scorer and some pace in the team with the cash from Jack is essential.

Maybe players will have clauses enabling them to leave in the event or relegation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
Speed and physical presence are also required.  Che Adams is a good shout up front.

My strategy with the strikers would be to utilise Wesley, Samatta and Davis in the championship.  I think between them, they are good enough to fill the central striker role.  The key bit is to sign wingers that can provide a goal threat.  The model being that Wesley is Firmino, we just need to find our Mane and Salah style players.

Once promoted I suspect that Abraham will be available having got bored of being on the bench for a whole season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: garyellis on July 19, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
I wouldn't sell anyone other than Jack. Both McGinn and Mings are on long contracts there is no need to sell. If either fancy a season on the bench then that would be up to them. We need to make a statement if we go down that we will be coming straight back up and stronger.
I can't see the owners wanting/demanding anything less.
A goal scorer and some pace in the team with the cash from Jack is essential.

Maybe players will have clauses enabling them to leave in the event or relegation.
The only one I can think of would be Douglas Luiz nobody else including Mings and McGinn. There is no way we did our business last summer exposing us to the mercy of relegation clauses. In fact just the opposite with potential reductions in the wage bill if we get relegated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: steamer on July 19, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
Is Jack a done deal ?
Is there a release clause for relegation or a price let out ?
If we stay up, surely there is a contract in place.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2020, 05:42:37 PM
I honestly think he's off regardless - who knows it might be a cathartic moment similar to when Gray left and we rebuilt with the money.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 05:53:07 PM
Speed and physical presence are also required.  Che Adams is a good shout up front.

My strategy with the strikers would be to utilise Wesley, Samatta and Davis in the championship.  I think between them, they are good enough to fill the central striker role.  The key bit is to sign wingers that can provide a goal threat.  The model being that Wesley is Firmino, we just need to find our Mane and Salah style players.

Once promoted I suspect that Abraham will be available having got bored of being on the bench for a whole season.

I donít see it in Davis. He just doesnít look like heís going to score.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2020, 06:07:46 PM
I reckon once he gets one he'll be off and running.  Maybe not in this league, but in the next step down.

Even in this league, his all-round game has looked good - and that's against decent defenders when he's often outnumbered and has had next to no service.

We go down and I hope he recaptures his form of the first part of the 17/18 season.  We stay up, I'd look to loan him out and see if he can get a run of games and build some confidence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2020, 06:14:06 PM
I honestly think he's off regardless - who knows it might be a cathartic moment similar to when Gray left and we rebuilt with the money.

I have a feeling Jack and McGinn could be off even if we stay up.  I was more bothered about that a few months ago, now less so.

They both look like they're playing within themselves since the restart.  In McGinn's case it could just readapting after a long-term injury.  But if the speculation has got to both and they're envisioning themselves playing elsewhere, let them at it.

Should we stay up, we should still get top dollar for both and will be in a good position to attract better quality for the rebuild.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
Should we stay up, we should still get top dollar for both and will be in a good position to attract better quality for the rebuild.
Better than Jack and SJM?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
No, better quality than what will be available to us as a Championship club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2020, 06:22:59 PM
No, better quality than what will be available to us as a Championship club.
Ah, yes, see your point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 19, 2020, 06:51:19 PM
The sale of Grealish will at least stop pundits talking about us as a one man team. We need to rebuild with several good players in the side and not us having an over-reliance on a single individual.  Regardless of the division we find ourselves in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2020, 12:15:28 AM
No, better quality than what will be available to us as a Championship club.

If you ask me we signed better quality players in our three years in the championship!

If we do a great escape it's going to be a massive task to build a first 11 for 40-45 point range, we'd need our best transfer window since 2009.

With Grealish in god mode for a third of the season we've still averaged under a point a game.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
No, better quality than what will be available to us as a Championship club.

If you ask me we signed better quality players in our three years in the championship!

If we do a great escape it's going to be a massive task to build a first 11 for 40-45 point range, we'd need our best transfer window since 2009.

With Grealish in god mode for a third of the season we've still averaged under a point a game.

I actually think it will be easier. Players are better adapted now, and if you use the money to buy say 4 in the 25-30 m bracket, winger, striker, centre mid and maybe a centre back, you would be miles better next season. Got to be the right ones, and we won't survive so a moot point I guess. The El Ghazi miss at Everton is going to haunt us for many years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
If we stay up, I wonder whether Abraham would be gettable. Chelsea are clearly looking to improve their goalscoring capability (Timo Werner and Hakim Ziyech have already joined, and Kai Havertz is close to doing likewise. With Mount, H-Odoi, Pusilic and others also freescorers, will there be room in the squad for our Tammy?

Might well be a redundant question after this evening ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2020, 02:03:55 PM
Fenerbache interested in Samatta apparently - at this rate half our signings will be going to Turkey! Impossible dream but I'd also love to see Abraham back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
Fenerbache interested in Samatta apparently - at this rate half our signings will be going to Turkey! Impossible dream but I'd also love to see Abraham back.

It's not impossible but he'll cost twice what he would have last summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Fenerbache interested in Samatta apparently - at this rate half our signings will be going to Turkey! Impossible dream but I'd also love to see Abraham back.
I don't think Tammy would be likely to come if we've sold Jack.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2020, 02:49:40 PM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.

I like Tammy and think he did brilliantly for us but him struggling to get in ahead of Giroud despite his scoring record backs up my thinking from last summer that his all round game isn't strong enough for the premier league. Given they'd be looking for £40-50m I'm not sure he'd be a wise use of at least half of our budget.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 21, 2020, 03:21:22 PM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.

I like Tammy and think he did brilliantly for us but him struggling to get in ahead of Giroud despite his scoring record backs up my thinking from last summer that his all round game isn't strong enough for the premier league. Given they'd be looking for £40-50m I'm not sure he'd be a wise use of at least half of our budget.

I don't think he'd be that much, particularly if not playing regularly.  Also, even at £40m, this season he would have been the difference between us being safe by now and hoping for a miracle.  In those terms, he's definitely worth it.

I don't think we'd get him though, unless we stay up, then it's a longshot, but possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: wince on July 21, 2020, 03:44:37 PM
The sale of Grealish will at least stop pundits talking about us as a one man team. We need to rebuild with several good players in the side and not us having an over-reliance on a single individual.  Regardless of the division we find ourselves in.

Completely 100% agree. Having just him is hampering us as when he is off form it really shows. It will be sad to see him go but we need a squad full of team players of quality and not relying on talismans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
our dog shit run has coincided with Grealish going about 12 games without a goal
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 22, 2020, 11:41:09 AM
It's disappointing we're gonna have to find 2 forwards again if we stay up. Wesley whatever you think of him isn't gonna be upto speed till probably next year. Samatta could come good if he regains his confidence and finds his feet but you wouldn't want to be relying on it. Davis, well.. not a striker. So we'll need to spend big. Can't see Chelsea selling Abraham yet - they've caught a cold selling youngsters too early before. Not as our main striking recruit but i'd like us at least to bid for Cavani if leeds are seriously after him. its a fucking no-brainer with his record and experience.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2020, 11:59:28 AM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.

I like Tammy and think he did brilliantly for us but him struggling to get in ahead of Giroud despite his scoring record backs up my thinking from last summer that his all round game isn't strong enough for the premier league. Given they'd be looking for £40-50m I'm not sure he'd be a wise use of at least half of our budget.

He's got 14 this season and 4 assists so I disagree that his all round game is not good enough for the Prem, especially as he's still only 22. I think he'd be a very wise investment for somebody.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.

I like Tammy and think he did brilliantly for us but him struggling to get in ahead of Giroud despite his scoring record backs up my thinking from last summer that his all round game isn't strong enough for the premier league. Given they'd be looking for £40-50m I'm not sure he'd be a wise use of at least half of our budget.

He's got 14 this season and 4 assists so I disagree that his all round game is not good enough for the Prem, especially as he's still only 22. I think he'd be a very wise investment for somebody.

Agree. IF we stay up, assuming the owners are willing to walk the walk regarding investment, I'd say give them whatever they want for Tammy.

Particularly with talk of FFP being relaxed for next season*, we might as well take advantage and buy big if/while we can. We need to, after all.

*(I appreciate it's not as simple as that in the long term, but we need a proper striker and it may be a risk worth taking)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
He would be a great signing for us and where we are and only possible with the right results Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 12:58:49 PM
At the moment Giroud is being preferred to Tammy so with Werner in the frame too, he's going to find opportunities few and far between at this rate.

I like Tammy and think he did brilliantly for us but him struggling to get in ahead of Giroud despite his scoring record backs up my thinking from last summer that his all round game isn't strong enough for the premier league. Given they'd be looking for £40-50m I'm not sure he'd be a wise use of at least half of our budget.

He's got 14 this season and 4 assists so I disagree that his all round game is not good enough for the Prem, especially as he's still only 22. I think he'd be a very wise investment for somebody.

Chelsea are playing Giroud ahead of him because he leads the line better, that's despite him scoring goals and getting a few assists. It's because Tammy is great in the box but offers very little elsewhere. In the championship that's fine, in a team where there's 3-4 creative players putting things on a plate for him it's fine but otherwise you lose something. Lampard has clearly seen that and uses him as an impact sub instead.

To be clear I do like Tammy and I think there's definitely a place for a poacher like him in a team that wants to be top half/challenge for Europe but I just think the fee will be too steep, I thought exactly the same last summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
I don't think 14 goals is too shabby really, especially as he was out injured before the lockdown. That may explain why Giroud is in at the moment, maybe Tammy is working his way back to fitness, a bit like McGinn still is. As for his all round game, I don't remember too many complaints about that whilst he was here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 22, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
Tammy has the ability to be in the right place to nab goals. He is an instinctive player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 02:08:17 PM
To be clear I'm not saying he's a bad player, just pointing out that I don't think using half our summer budget on him would be wise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 22, 2020, 02:09:41 PM
To be clear I'm not saying he's a bad player, just pointing out that I don't think using half our summer budget on him would be wise.

If we stay up our transfer budget will be ridiculous. Jacks fee + £150m Ďcouldí be spent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 02:13:49 PM
80-100m is more realistic in my opinion. If Jack leaves and we get a maguire level fee then Tammy becomes an option
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 22, 2020, 02:15:46 PM
80-100m is more realistic in my opinion. If Jack leaves and we get a maguireevel fee then Tammy becomes an option

Chelsea loan to buy deal could suit both parties
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2020, 02:50:42 PM
of course we won't be Abraham's only suitor but I always thought he did develop an affinity to us last season. The crowd loved him and he loved the crowd.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2020, 03:23:57 PM
of course we won't be Abraham's only suitor but I always thought he did develop an affinity to us last season. The crowd loved him and he loved the crowd.
I think he will want to fight for his place at Chelsea.  If they make it clear he doesn't have a role then there would be a chance, but I can't see it.  I also think if we've sold Jack that would put him off.

 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
Heís a young player who handled the step up well to the top flight this year.

As well as the attacking threat heíd obviously bring he also played his part in making us more defensively resolute from set pieces.

Heís good in both boxes.

So itís a yes from me, should we stay up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 22, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
But would he come if Jack is going out of the exit door at the same time?

Jack was a big factor in him not ditching us in the January window for a move to Wolves remember.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 22, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
If we have the money and we stay up, going right in for Tammy with a big offer on Monday might be smart. He and Jack are very good mates too...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2020, 04:47:08 PM
If we stay up think Buendia will be a very realistic signing in 15-20m range.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 22, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
I can't believe we're still in with a shout for staying up with the worst set of forwards we've ever had in The Premier League.

I think Gestede, Ayew, Sinclair and Agbonlahor were better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Jockey Randall on July 22, 2020, 04:54:11 PM
If we stay up think Buendia will be a very realistic signing in 15-20m range.



Buendia would be one I would be keen on if we lost Jack. I think he might go to an Everton or Spurs though.

I see we've been linked with John Swift in the Reading chronicle. 6 goals and 10 assists in the Championship this season. Sheffield United and Leeds also want him apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 22, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
I'd go for Callum Wilson if Bournemouth go down and we stay up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2020, 07:19:14 PM
If we stay up I'm not sure I like the idea of targeting the relegated teams for players but I'd probably make an exception for Buendia if Jack leaves, I think he'd be a perfect replacement and would leave us with plenty of cash to use of the other 3-4 signings we'd need.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 22, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
If we stay up then I think Jack will quite rightly be asking what calibre of player we will be going for.

Tammy and Callum Wilson are the level where he may think stay here and give it another season just to see where we can get to, if we go down the Untested route though again then he will be off.

On the flip side we may want to cash in if we have a massive offer and then try and attract the calibre of Tammy and Wilson which may be the wrong way of going about it if Jack could be the one to help lure a few of the better quality Players here- if you know what I mean.

We need to stay up first obviously
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 22, 2020, 07:32:12 PM
Cavani man.  Would cost us less in wages than Samatta cost. Sell loads of shirts, help the younger players. Still have money left for another striker. If he ends up at Leeds I'll cry.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Daleyís dreads on July 22, 2020, 07:52:14 PM
What do people think of Osayi-Samuel and Eze from QPR? Lots of potential in both. Eze would be difficult if we went down Iíd imagine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 22, 2020, 07:54:58 PM
What do people think of Osayi-Samuel and Eze from QPR? Lots of potential in both. Eze would be difficult if we went down Iíd imagine.

Osayi-Samuel is off to Bruges in Belgium I think I read. Eze's a good shout.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 22, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
Eze is a good player, yes every day
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2020, 09:03:58 PM
of course we won't be Abraham's only suitor but I always thought he did develop an affinity to us last season. The crowd loved him and he loved the crowd.

This is one of the reasons I hope we utilise the loan market.  Get quality youngsters in and hope they recognise our awesomeness  whilst here.  Put it another way, I donít think many clubs could tempt Tammy away from Chelsea but weíd be top of the list after the ďtop sixĒ.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2020, 09:37:31 PM
Joe Lolley worth a look now Forest have bottled it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
Lolley always looks pretty average to me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 22, 2020, 11:30:29 PM
"Always"? Did you not see him play against Villa? I'm not saying he's the answer, but to say he has "always" looked average when he, literally, set up FIVE goals against us in one game seems a bit unfair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
He's a player I think we'll target if we go down.

Would be shocked if he's on our targets if we stay up though. International quality winger is needed and then you keep one of the two we already have and hope they kick on a bit more. Surprisingly Trez is leading that race currently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2020, 07:55:19 AM
I've been an admirer of Eze's for a while but his ship, and Benrahma's, has sailed for us, clubs with more obvious appeal are now circling.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
I've been an admirer of Eze's for a while but his ship, and Benrahma's, has sailed for us, clubs with more obvious appeal are now circling.

We haven't got enough to tempt players from Brentford and QPR?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 23, 2020, 08:14:38 AM
If the worst happens Iíd be looking at getting Grabban in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2020, 08:27:30 AM
I've been an admirer of Eze's for a while but his ship, and Benrahma's, has sailed for us, clubs with more obvious appeal are now circling.

We haven't got enough to tempt players from Brentford and QPR?
He didn't say that he said other clubs are looking who the players may prefer given how we've struggled this season.  They may be gettable, but they may prefer the likes of Newcastle, Wolves or Everton if that option is there for them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 23, 2020, 08:33:30 AM
Just hope we go for 3/4 quality additions and 2 absolute gems in midfield to replace Jack and Luiz
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2020, 08:36:24 AM
Callum Wilson would be a good shout if we stay up, as long as our attacking strategy next season isn't to simply lump the ball.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2020, 08:38:07 AM
Callum Wilson would be a good shout if we stay up, as long as our attacking strategy next season isn't to simply lump the ball.

Agreed, would be a clever signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2020, 08:39:25 AM
Midlands boy as well so might be happy with a move back home.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2020, 08:41:33 AM
Callum Wilson is a decent player, but far from prolific.  I was surprised to see his league scoring stats for the last 4 years most recent first are 7, 14, 8 & 6.  I'm no fan of Wesley, but if he'd stayed fit he would probably have matched three of those four years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2020, 09:02:19 AM
If we stay up, I'm not sure we should be looking mainly at promising championship players really unless they're for the squad to be eased in gradually. We started the season with a squad of them after all. Now we need a bit more experience in the side and probably will be able to attract players from the premiership or at least players from the top divisions in Europe if we survive. Obviously that depends if the money is there, but following a transfer strategy for a Bournemouth or Brighton is only going to end one way eventually.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2020, 09:07:31 AM
I've been an admirer of Eze's for a while but his ship, and Benrahma's, has sailed for us, clubs with more obvious appeal are now circling.

We haven't got enough to tempt players from Brentford and QPR?
He didn't say that he said other clubs are looking who the players may prefer given how we've struggled this season.  They may be gettable, but they may prefer the likes of Newcastle, Wolves or Everton if that option is there for them.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, players from the Championship are unlikely to walk into Wolves team at present. There may be more attractive suitors (obviously there aren't, but for the purposes of discussion), but do you want to move and be a squad player or to be first choice?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2020, 09:16:28 AM
IF we stay up and Fulham fail in the playoffs - would Mitrovic be gettable?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2020, 09:20:40 AM
IF we stay up and Fulham fail in the playoffs - would Mitrovic be gettable?

Hopefully not, he seems to struggle with the step up a division.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 23, 2020, 09:32:37 AM
IF we stay up and Fulham fail in the playoffs - would Mitrovic be gettable?

Hopefully not, he seems to struggle with the step up a division.
He was quite young when he was at Newcastle.  Yes 11 for Fulham on the PL wasn't pulling up trees, but not too bad for such a poor team and more than Callum Wilson got in 3 of his last 4 seasons.  Overall he's scored 49 goals in 93 league appearances for Fulham, including that 'poor' PL season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 23, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
Pace and more physical strength needed. Centre forward, both wide players, a left back and a replacement for Grealish if he's sold. That's the priority for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
I'd like to see us try and bring in Dwight Gayle  to add to the squad regardless of what division we are in. Still only 29 and a bit of experience and pace up front wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 23, 2020, 10:07:35 AM
If, and still a big if, we stay up, negotiating to keep Jack, Douglas Luiz, McGinn and Mings would be my priority. We simply must try to build the team around these four players. Also, I wouldn't quite give up on Wesley. i thought he looked like a player with potential and reckon he would have got to 8-9 goals for the season if he hadn't got injured.

Then, the wish list would be:

Tammy (or another marquee striker)
Tuanzebe to partner Mings
Benrahma as an upgrade winger
A central midfield option with premier league experience. Here, I can't really think of a name to be honest. I mean, a Capoue/James McCarthy type to add much needed experience to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 23, 2020, 10:11:00 AM
If, and still a big if, we stay up, negotiating to keep Jack, Douglas Luiz, McGinn and Mings would be my priority. We simply must try to build the team around these four players. Also, I wouldn't quite give up on Wesley. i thought he looked like a player with potential and reckon he would have got to 8-9 goals for the season if he hadn't got injured.

Then, the wish list would be:

Tammy (or another marquee striker)
Tuanzebe to partner Mings
Benrahma as an upgrade winger
A central midfield option with premier league experience. Here, I can't really think of a name to be honest. I mean, a Capoue/James McCarthy type to add much needed experience to the squad.
I'm very much on board with your thinking, apart from maybe we have seen Konsa's emergence to perhaps negate the need for Tuanzebe?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 23, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
If, and still a big if, we stay up, negotiating to keep Jack, Douglas Luiz, McGinn and Mings would be my priority. We simply must try to build the team around these four players. Also, I wouldn't quite give up on Wesley. i thought he looked like a player with potential and reckon he would have got to 8-9 goals for the season if he hadn't got injured.

Then, the wish list would be:

Tammy (or another marquee striker)
Tuanzebe to partner Mings
Benrahma as an upgrade winger
A central midfield option with premier league experience. Here, I can't really think of a name to be honest. I mean, a Capoue/James McCarthy type to add much needed experience to the squad.
I'm very much on board with your thinking, apart from maybe we have seen Konsa's emergence to perhaps negate the need for Tuanzebe?

I agree on Konsa to a large extent. However, my thinking is, if we want to progress we need more quality in the first team and more competition for places. Instead of Hause as a back-up have Konsa as the back-up centre back and would compete with Fred for right-back depending on the opposition. Or we also would then have the three at the back option. Konsa would still get, say, 18-20 starts a season if Tuanzebe came in.

Edit- we simply have to ensure we don't leak so many goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 23, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
It's good to have options of course.

If we survive --
1st choice: Tammy
Plan B/C etc: Wilson; Gayle
If we go down--
Any from: Watkins, Wells, Grabban
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 23, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
I'd like to see us try and bring in Dwight Gayle  to add to the squad regardless of what division we are in. Still only 29 and a bit of experience and pace up front wouldn't go amiss.

In the Championship definitely, he's very good at that level.

In his last five seasons in the Premier though he's scored 7 (23 games), 5 (from 25), 3 (from 16), 6 (from 35) and 3 (from 17) goals. I'd hope we go for better if we're staying up, we've got enough strikers who don't get many goals.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
2 good midfielders to support McGinn and Luiz; 1 striker (quick and tricky); 1 LB to give Targett proper competition; possibly a CB.
Get rid of several of the dead weight players in the squad.
Promote 3-4 youngsters into the squad and give them some gametime.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 23, 2020, 10:32:01 AM
2 good midfielders to support McGinn and Luiz; 1 striker (quick and tricky); 1 LB to give Targett proper competition; possibly a CB.
Get rid of several of the dead weight players in the squad.
Promote 3-4 youngsters into the squad and give them some gametime.

Sounds about right to me.

I'd say a a big, scary defensive midfielder and a fast skilful winger, then a striker and LB as you mention. Plus a Jack replacement if he goes.

Quality not quantity this summer.

I'd also like to see a couple of the leading youngsters go out on loan aged 18-19, not wait until they are 21+ like RHM and O'Hare.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2020, 10:42:20 AM
We need more than 1 striker frankly. I mean when are people expecting Wesley to return? I can't see him being back and upto speed until 2021, so unless we fancy relying on the likes of Samatta and Davis then we need 2.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2020, 10:45:07 AM
2 good midfielders to support McGinn and Luiz; 1 striker (quick and tricky); 1 LB to give Targett proper competition; possibly a CB.
Get rid of several of the dead weight players in the squad.
Promote 3-4 youngsters into the squad and give them some gametime.

Sounds about right to me.

I'd say a a big, scary defensive midfielder and a fast skilful winger, then a striker and LB as you mention. Plus a Jack replacement if he goes.

Quality not quantity this summer.

I'd also like to see a couple of the leading youngsters go out on loan aged 18-19, not wait until they are 21+ like RHM and O'Hare.

Yep, this is where I'm at and in that order, a physical presence in midfield and a winger with pace have to come in as soon as possible and at almost any cost. Once that's done I'd look at the options for a striker and left back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 23, 2020, 10:51:56 AM
If, and still a big if, we stay up, negotiating to keep Jack, Douglas Luiz, McGinn and Mings would be my priority. We simply must try to build the team around these four players. Also, I wouldn't quite give up on Wesley. i thought he looked like a player with potential and reckon he would have got to 8-9 goals for the season if he hadn't got injured.

Then, the wish list would be:

Tammy (or another marquee striker)
Tuanzebe to partner Mings
Benrahma as an upgrade winger
A central midfield option with premier league experience. Here, I can't really think of a name to be honest. I mean, a Capoue/James McCarthy type to add much needed experience to the squad.
I'm very much on board with your thinking, apart from maybe we have seen Konsa's emergence to perhaps negate the need for Tuanzebe?

Me too, keeping Luiz would be amazing, keeping Jack absolutely mind blowing. I canít see this happening especially as Man City can just buy Luiz back and sell him on if they choose....Keeping players is definitely a statement of intent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 23, 2020, 11:07:43 AM
We need more than 1 striker frankly. I mean when are people expecting Wesley to return? I can't see him being back and upto speed until 2021, so unless we fancy relying on the likes of Samatta and Davis then we need 2.

While seeing your point, I don't want us to go down the road we travelled last summer of a £7m Trez and £8m El Ghazi instead of an £18m Bowen (for example) so that we have 'enough' players.

I know our owners are rich but the budget still isn't going to be limitless. I'd prefer one very expensive 25 goal a season striker than a couple of £10-15m 8-10 goal strikers.

If there's money left over at the end to sign extras great, but it needs to be 3-4 quality players in key positions first.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sickbeggar on July 23, 2020, 11:12:56 AM
We need more than 1 striker frankly. I mean when are people expecting Wesley to return? I can't see him being back and upto speed until 2021, so unless we fancy relying on the likes of Samatta and Davis then we need 2.

While seeing your point, I don't want us to go down the road we travelled last summer of a £7m Trez and £8m El Ghazi instead of an £18m Bowen (for example) so that we have 'enough' players.

I know our owners are rich but the budget still isn't going to be limitless. I'd prefer one very expensive 25 goal a season striker than a couple of £10-15m 8-10 goal strikers.

If there's money left over at the end to sign extras great, but it needs to be 3-4 quality players in key positions first.

Fair enough but relying on 1 striker to stay fit when the others can't hit a barndoor with a banjo makes me a bit......nervous
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2020, 11:28:23 AM
unquestionably 2 strikers needed and one of Samatta/Davis to go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 23, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
unquestionably 2 strikers needed and one of Samatta/Davis to go.

Ah, if one of the others go then definitely another replacement would be needed. I'd keep Davis personally.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2020, 11:31:24 AM
he might be better playing behind the main striker? as would Wesley, I think.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2020, 11:33:34 AM
Abraham and Benteke?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 23, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Abraham I'd go for but some of the other suggestions over the past couple of pages, no thanks. Benteke if we go down perhaps but not in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2020, 12:40:33 PM
I'm optimisitic for next season but if our main attacking signing was Wilson, Gayle or Mitrovic I'd struggle to see any positives.

Last summer there was a rumour we were looking for another striker and one of the names mentioned was Ben-Yedder who's spent a year scoring for fun in France. That's the sort of striker we should be going for, 1 that could genuinely be in the mix for top scorer in the league. signing late 20s/ early 30s strikers who've barely ever managed to get double figures in the premier league despite many chances is just wasting money for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mallo on July 23, 2020, 12:45:20 PM
Surely without having to lay out another 100M we can go out and get 2 strikers? Even if we pay £45M for one (caveat decent one) and stop trying to get young hopefuls we should be avoiding the relegation battle. Add in a couple of midfielders and we'd have enough. We'll see the ambition properly this time - no excuses.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 23, 2020, 01:43:41 PM
Strange with Abraham, last season with us he was unstopable for a good part of the season and faded toward the end, it seems the same with Chelsea he was an automatic pick but seems to have faded and is now coming off the bench. Could just be an age thing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
Strange with Abraham, last season with us he was unstopable for a good part of the season and faded toward the end, it seems the same with Chelsea he was an automatic pick but seems to have faded and is now coming off the bench. Could just be an age thing.
And, it could be that the opponents have sussed him out as the season has gone on (and / or, opposition teams gave him too much space earlier on in the season, as our defence did at SB) .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2020, 02:25:23 PM
Surely without having to lay out another 100M we can go out and get 2 strikers? Even if we pay £45M for one (caveat decent one) and stop trying to get young hopefuls we should be avoiding the relegation battle. Add in a couple of midfielders and we'd have enough. We'll see the ambition properly this time - no excuses.

Spending £40-45m on a striker doesn't guarantee anything (Joelinton and Haller are the proof here). More important is good scouting and getting someone with the right attributes to fill our needs. The top 2 are pace and finishing.

The biggest problem though is the squad size limits. We can registered 25 players that are over 21. That's 2 for each position, a 3rd keeper and 2 spare outfield players. Given we play 1 up front 3 strikers on the books is fine, especially if we have 4 wingers and 1-2 of them can play centrally. Given the squad we have right now Jota being replaced gives 1 spot as a winger and a second spot is either replacing Davis/Samatta or leaving Wesley out of the squad until the January window to give us the 1 striker. If you go for a 2nd new striker then you're saying Wesley is definitely out until January and I don't think that's the case.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 23, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
I would love us to sign Tammy Abraham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 23, 2020, 08:30:30 PM
If think the priority should be getting upgrades for Drinkwater & Baston, plus as an optional extra maybe Lansbury or Jota if we can shift them. Can see what happens when you spread money around too thinly. We didn't have much choice but to do that this season, but next year I'd rather we brought in small numbers of higher quality players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 23, 2020, 10:26:06 PM
Small numbers of high quality players is exactly what we should be doing.

1 x winger preferably left sided with pace
1 x centre forward With pace
1 x central midfielder built like a brick shithouse.

Not much change out of £80-£100m with that lot.

Top that up with a reserve left back, reserve centre back and a jobbing midfielder and Iíd be happy.

To make room for that lot Iíd let AEG, Engels, Drinkwater, Jota, Lansbury and Taylor go and send Davis on loan. I think Hogans deal runs out as well so heíd be released as well. Iíd include 1 or 2 upcoming youth players in the 25, though would that waste spaces as youíd be able to use them anyway?

This of course assumes we stay up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
I think Hogan has another year, but with Chelts having an in with pet insurance I can imagine there's a deal to be done.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 23, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
I think Hogan has another year, but with Chelts having an in with pet insurance I can imagine there's a deal to be done.

Ah the old sack, rope and canal solution.

"Daddy, where's Scotty gone."

"Gone to live on a farm in Wales son."
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2020, 11:18:05 PM
I think Hogan has another year, but with Chelts having an in with pet insurance I can imagine there's a deal to be done.
So pet food factory it is then?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 23, 2020, 11:20:12 PM
I think Hogan has another year, but with Chelts having an in with pet insurance I can imagine there's a deal to be done.
So pet food factory it is then?

I was thinking he had a future in beach transit but, ultimately, we need a signed order form.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on July 24, 2020, 01:00:27 AM
If we stay up we need to spend big on a proven striker.

Like when we signed Bent.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Hillbilly on July 24, 2020, 02:54:37 AM
Bid for Troy Deeney just to piss him off.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: steamer on July 24, 2020, 07:23:35 AM
What i would not want is Jack to go to one of "the big 4" and we get an assortmen. of cast offs or never will make its big time. at an inflated valuation to make us think we had done a "Bellingam" I would include Axel and Tammy in that category.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 24, 2020, 07:54:05 AM
Just ref the big scary central midfielder, if Bournemouth and Watford go down they have a few to choose from.

Capoue and Doucoure at Watford and then Billing at Bournemouth.

I quite liked Chalobah at Watford but he seems to have been very quiet for a while.

Others from those teams are Ake, Lerma and Josh King from Bournemouth and then Watford have Craig Dawson (solid experienced CB), Andre Grey, Deulefeu and Sarr as attacking options.

I can imagine Ake, Sarr and Deulefeu costing the earth so Dawson, Capoue and King would be my picks if I had to - plenty more players in the world to pick from, just trying to rationalise who I think is decent from those two teams.

Norwich wise I think they are all gash, possibly Buendia would do a job but a bit of a show pony.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 24, 2020, 08:06:04 AM
What i would not want is Jack to go to one of "the big 4" and we get an assortmen. of cast offs or never will make its big time. at an inflated valuation to make us think we had done a "Bellingam" I would include Axel and Tammy in that category.

Axel yes (much as I like him).  But Tammy will move for big darts should Chelsea decide to sell, so a swap + cash adjustment there would be palatable.

I'd prefer it if Jack went abroad, but if it was to one of the top 4, better it be Chelsea or Man City than the other pair of wankers. Or Tottingham.  As a rule of thumb, anything that pisses on Yanited's chips and has the potential to turn Fergiescum even more purple is OK by me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
Dawsonís legs have gone..
Ake will have a lot of interest
Starr is one for the future and is very quick we really need some pace
King and Grey increasingly look like flashes in the pan.
I think Cantwell will be a good player. Aarans looks a prospect.
Dacourie I like, Billings just kicks people.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
from me its a no to all of those.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Yes to Cantwell, not sure about the rest, no to Tuanzebe, always injured. Unless you could get him for a Hause type bargain basement fee, or the equivalent thereof if he's part-exchanged, I think you'd get better value elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JD on July 24, 2020, 09:16:13 AM
If we need a new left back sign Liberato Cacace from Wellington Phoenix. Brilliant attacking left back and good defender. Still very young.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 24, 2020, 09:18:50 AM
If we need a new left back sign Liberato Cacace from Wellington Phoenix. Brilliant attacking left back and good defender. Still very young.
I donít really care if he can play football, Iíd sign him just for his brilliant name !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2020, 09:20:08 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
plus he's got really dodgy hair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on July 24, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

I don't see what playing in a poor side has got to do with a players ability, Cantwell will leave for a hefty sum I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2020, 09:30:13 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

Bizarre argument. Surely looking good in a good team is a lot easier than looking good in a poor team? I'd only sign him if Grealish went, mind.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 24, 2020, 09:31:47 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.
some would say the same of Grealish.


Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2020, 09:33:39 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

Bizarre argument. Surely looking good in a good team is a lot easier than looking good in a poor team? I'd only sign him if Grealish went, mind.
The dodgy hair argument wins it for me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 24, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
We're probably getting a bit (lot) ahead of ourselves here.  But yes, I think Cantwell, Buendia and Doucoure would all be good signings. Deulofeu also has quality.

I agree with Manic, I'd be surprised if there's not a few clubs in for Cantwell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2020, 09:39:01 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

Bizarre argument. Surely looking good in a good team is a lot easier than looking good in a poor team? I'd only sign him if Grealish went, mind.

Wouldn't you stand out though if you were better than most of the players around you? Don't get me wrong, he's alright  but I think we could do better.

He does have crap hair though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2020, 09:46:10 AM
Imaging him and Target, 2 Alice bands on the wing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2020, 10:11:51 AM
The transfer wish list on here seems to be a desire for perpetual struggle.

If we can stay up and we do spend £100m again, I hope its on 3 quality players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2020, 10:23:08 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

Bizarre argument. Surely looking good in a good team is a lot easier than looking good in a poor team? I'd only sign him if Grealish went, mind.
The dodgy hair argument wins it for me.

Again, on the same argument then Grealish is no good...

Plus his hair is bound to annoy SHA and we need another hate figure for them to obsess over like the creepy stalkers they are.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
I'm not keen on Cantwell. He looks ok but he has being playing in a very poor side. I'd look elsewhere.

Bizarre argument. Surely looking good in a good team is a lot easier than looking good in a poor team? I'd only sign him if Grealish went, mind.
The dodgy hair argument wins it for me.

Again, on the same argument then Grealish is no good...

I think people are having a joke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
Problem with Cantwell is that he is a petulant little twat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2020, 10:28:43 AM
Problem with Cantwell is that he is a petulant little twat.

And he looks like he should be in Neighbours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mattjpa on July 24, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
I dont care if he is a bluenose or that he hates Villa, at 32 and having never had great pace to lose in the first place, If we were to stay up and Watford go down I would definitely be enquiring about the availability of Troy Deeney. People will not want to hear it but Year 1 plan would be to stay up, Years 2 and 3 have to be about cementing a place in the division whilst our younger or more inexperienced players develop. Our big game player is most likely about to leave, Deeney gets goals and rises to the occasion, his leadership and general 'bit of a shit' attitude would have definitely seen us safe this year. I reckon £5m would land him and get us a good couple of years
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2020, 04:08:16 PM
Deeney would cut off both feet and eat them before pulling on a Villa shirt. A definite no.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 24, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
I believe he was one of those weird Bluenoses who went to Villa games as a kid.

Or said he was Villa until the filth got promoted in 2002, then swore dying allegiance to them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 24, 2020, 04:45:11 PM
He would certainly have improved us this season. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
Problem with Cantwell is that he is a petulant little twat.

Again, don't non-Villans say that about Jack (or a diver at least, who always gives a round of fucks after falling to the floor).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: WassallVillain on July 24, 2020, 05:12:24 PM
I like Troy Deeney as a centre forward. There I said it. Heís a professional footballer and would put fan allegiance aside. I doubt he would get a better offer either. Maybe heíd give it the full Craig Gardener on signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 24, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
We need to be signing better than Deeney if we want to progress, we need younger and faster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2020, 05:38:40 PM
Problem with Cantwell is that he is a petulant little twat.

Again, don't non-Villans say that about Jack (or a diver at least, who always gives a round of fucks after falling to the floor).

Maybe, but Iím right and theyíre wrong ;-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 24, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
The transfer wish list on here seems to be a desire for perpetual struggle.

If we can stay up and we do spend £100m again, I hope its on 3 quality players.


I think that's my attitude too, assuming we stay up.  No more squad building. I want three (maybe four if the budget allows?) solid, proper quality signings who can walk into our starting eleven and turn a couple of our automatic first choices into squad players having to compete for their place.  Then we can lose a couple of the squad players that barely play anway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2020, 09:01:17 PM
sell the fringe players and replace them with good players, so it makes the average ones that start each week to become the fringe players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 24, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
Jon Swift from Reading being linked to us and Sheffield United. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
Jon Swift from Reading being linked to us and Sheffield United. 
is he an improvement on Luiz, McGinn or Hourihane?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 24, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
Deeney is exactly the sort of signing we should be avoiding, he's currently marginally better than we have (look on the Watford forums and see how people who watch him every week feel) but clearly on the downward slide of his career and would probably not even make it to the end of next season as our first choice, at which point we've got an expensive ageing striker on the bench offering less and less.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Deeney? No way
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on July 24, 2020, 10:12:42 PM
Fucking Troy Deeney!!!! Errr no. Not only canít he walk, he supports the great unwashed. No chance. Plus, whereís the ambition!!? If we stop up we need to be looking at getting better players than that mug
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on July 24, 2020, 10:19:17 PM
What have come back to? A Reading midfielder and a player who hates us and only scores against us?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: The_ads on July 24, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
Itís exactly why signing these average gets you battling it out for 17th place. If we stop up, IF, we need to be setting our sights in some serious talent to consolidate our position and have a comfortable and stress free mid table or better finish. If we had any chance whatsoever of keeping JG then we need to show him weíre fucking serious about taking this club places - not signing John Swift and bastard Troy Deeney. Iíd be breaking the bank to see if we could tempt Tammy back
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 24, 2020, 11:55:07 PM
Deeney's attitude (apart from his attitude to the concept of Aston Villa) is exactly what we need, IMAO.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2020, 12:31:49 AM
Deeney's attitude (apart from his attitude to the concept of Aston Villa) is exactly what we need, IMAO.

His attitude may be but his ability and mid-term fitness probably aren't. I'd rather we find someone with that attitude who's 22-24 and could play for us for the next 10 years than go for someone who might manage 2 at this level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mellin on July 25, 2020, 01:31:37 AM
Loyalties aside, Troy Deeney three years ago, yes. Now, no way. Younger and fitter please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
If we need a new left back sign Liberato Cacace from Wellington Phoenix. Brilliant attacking left back and good defender. Still very young.
I donít really care if he can play football, Iíd sign him just for his brilliant name !!

Knowing our luck heíd be constantly rising from his arse after being burned by opposing wingers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 25, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
Nothing is going to happen until we know which league we are playing in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 25, 2020, 04:11:45 PM
Nothing is going to happen until we know which league we are playing in.

I'd like to think they are already planning for whatever awaits us.  There are only 6 weeks or so between this season finishing and the next one starting.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2020, 04:19:34 PM
Yep, you would hope that Suso/Purslow have agreements in place with at least one or two transfer targets which are based on the proviso we stay up. And maybe even agreements with players if we go down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Buendia is one to get. Creates a decent amount in a very poor Norwich team and has similar traits to Grealish in that he can start centrally and drift out wide to find space. Don't think he'd cost a huge amount either, 15m perhaps. Same for Eze at QPR who's another who has that touch of class when he plays.

That said I'd like us to start targeting and signing some players from teams finishing above us. We're surely got to be targeting finishing above likes of Crystal Palace in next few years, think someone like Milivojevic at base of midfield holding would really improve likes of Luiz and make our first 11 stronger as he's simply a better player than Hourihane at this level.

He's on a long term contract at Palace but they'd rather sell him than Zaha so I'd say he's a realistic target if we stay up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 25, 2020, 06:13:34 PM
Deeney's the strangest link I've seen for some time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: manic-road on July 25, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Looks like Lallana is off to Brighton on a free, didn't realise that he is 32 but better than AEG
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 25, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
Deeney makes no sense to me, being a bluenose he's going to get an awful lot of stick if he's scoring anything less than 20 goals a season. It's bound to end in disaster.

No problem with pinching the best players from any relegated teams, assuming we're not one of them. Or even if we are one of them. I'd be more concerned about banking too heavily on players who look good in the Championship though, unless our goal is to build a good Championship side. If we stay up, we should be targeting players who are going to see us finish comfortably in mid table next season, and be part of a side who are pushing for a European spot the year after. To my mind, that's buying promising players who already look capable at this level.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2020, 07:21:10 PM
Looks like Lallana is off to Brighton on a free, didn't realise that he is 32 but better than AEG

I know he lost his way with injuries but he's a clever, technical player and on a free would offer us a lot more than half of our midfielders. Probably happy to be back on the south coast though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
we've had enough of those sort of signings surely? He's so crocked he only plays around five games a season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 25, 2020, 08:30:05 PM
Deeney's the strangest link I've seen for some time.
Agbonlahor the second - Deeney's past his best. He'll end up finishing like Gabby did - just disappearing away
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2020, 11:31:39 PM
Looks like Lallana is off to Brighton on a free, didn't realise that he is 32 but better than AEG

I know he lost his way with injuries but he's a clever, technical player and on a free would offer us a lot more than half of our midfielders. Probably happy to be back on the south coast though.

Wonder if that means Aaron Mooy may be available, would be a decent squad pick up.

I'd probably also take Shane Duffy who's lost his place there this season. Experienced international and very strong in the air so he'd be a good pick up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 12:13:08 AM
Looks like Lallana is off to Brighton on a free, didn't realise that he is 32 but better than AEG

I know he lost his way with injuries but he's a clever, technical player and on a free would offer us a lot more than half of our midfielders. Probably happy to be back on the south coast though.

Wonder if that means Aaron Mooy may be available, would be a decent squad pick up.

I'd probably also take Shane Duffy who's lost his place there this season. Experienced international and very strong in the air so he'd be a good pick up.

If you describe someone as 'a decent squad pick up' then they're probably not the right players to be signing.

If we want to improve we need to look at the players are playing playing regularly but aren't good enough to be where we want to go and turn them in squad options. Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games, so we sign players that we're sure are upgrades on them, sell the current fringe players and demote those 3 to squad filler. Do that over 3-4 windows and you have a team that's far stronger than you started with. If you buy players that are slightly better than your bench your team stays still and you're just slightly better prepared for injuries and suspensions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2020, 08:10:03 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2020, 08:29:12 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.

He's had 3 good touches lately :)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2020, 09:50:11 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.

And Hourihane who has our last 5 assists. Hmmm.

I would really like Sarr from Watford, and Brooks from Bournemouth. But they would probably like a few of ours, and it's a toss of a coin who stays up today
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Duffy would be an upgrade - as things stand - on our other centre back options, so wouldn't be squad filler.  Konsa in time could go on to become a far better all round player than him.  But we probably wouldn't have had so many pastings this season with that extra bit of Premier League nous next to Mings.

He's not the greatest on the deck, so it depends on our intended style of play next year - and who the manager/ head coach is.

Jonny Evans at Leicester is also into the last year of his contract there, so that could be one to look at.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: nigel on July 26, 2020, 10:45:37 AM
Duffy would be an upgrade - as things stand - on our other centre back options, so wouldn't be squad filler.  Konsa in time could go on to become a far better all round player than him.  But we probably wouldn't have had so many pastings this season with that extra bit of Premier League nous next to Mings.

He's not the greatest on the deck, so it depends on our intended style of play next year - and who the manager/ head coach is.

Jonny Evans at Leicester is also into the last year of his contract there, so that could be one to look at.

Could be argued that with an extra bit of PL nous next to Konsa we wouldn't have taken these pastings
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.

I like him, but on balance over the season he wouldn't be someone who I'd start every week if we want finish top half. Same for Hourihane who is great at set pieces but doesn't offer enough in open play.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2020, 10:49:07 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.

I like him, but on balance over the season he wouldn't be someone who I'd start every week if we want finish top half. Same for Hourihane who is great at set pieces but doesn't offer enough in open play.

But you did say that they were the weakest players from the last few games which in the case of Hourihane and Trez, is untrue.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Trez and El Ghazi aren't players I'd be looking to bin off this summer. Both have something to offer.  I'd prefer to see more dynamic, quicker players in that final third though.

Engels, Nakamba and Taylor I'd be quite happy to see depart. You can make a case that the first two still need time to adapt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
Hourihane, Samatta and Trez are probably the 3 weakest players in the team from the last few games

Trezeguet, without whose three goals in three matches we'd already be relegated?

Tough crowd.

I like him, but on balance over the season he wouldn't be someone who I'd start every week if we want finish top half. Same for Hourihane who is great at set pieces but doesn't offer enough in open play.

But you did say that they were the weakest players from the last few games which in the case of Hourihane and Trez, is untrue.

So, they have hit form at the right time, hopefully continues today.  This debate will be continued after today's result eh?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 26, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
Trez and El Ghazi aren't players I'd be looking to bin off this summer. Both have something to offer.  I'd prefer to see more dynamic, quicker players in that final third though.

Engels, Nakamba and Taylor I'd be quite happy to see depart. You can make a case that the first two still need time to adapt.
Trez and El Ghazi are both Ok when they don't have time to think - to me, that's not the sign of a footballer who is going to get better. They make good contributions occasionally, nowhere near consistent enough. But, there aren't too many that are; Ah fuck I'm confused.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
Are people genuinely arguing that we don't need new players to play on the wing or in midfield if we want to improve? Almost everyone who's commented on the signings we need for the summer has picked out those 2 positions as key (with most adding a striker on top).

Trez and Hourihane have something to offer, I've defended the 2 of them more than most, but they can't be starting 30+ games next season if we want to improve because over the season they've shown they blow hot and cold.

I'm not saying dump them completely, they're good squad players who can come in and have an impact. I'd look to move on Steer/Nyland, Lansbury and Jota because they offer very little and I'd try to replace Taylor so our 'style' isn't changed so much if Targett isn't available. That's assuming Hogan and Kalinic are already halfway out the door.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 26, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
Agree Paul_e
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2020, 12:49:31 PM
I don't think anyone on here is saying we don't need new players, of course we do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 12:54:00 PM
I don't think anyone on here is saying we don't need new players, of course we do.

Do you dispute that a Midfielder and a winger are top of the shopping list?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 26, 2020, 01:12:08 PM
A striker is at the top of the list surely?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 26, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
The shopping list is probably....
Striker(s)
Winger(s)
Midfielder(s)
Defender(s)
Full-back(s)
Manager
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2020, 01:32:59 PM
I don't think anyone on here is saying we don't need new players, of course we do.

Do you dispute that a Midfielder and a winger are top of the shopping list?

The only thing I disputed is your claim that Trez, Samatta and Hourhiane have been the weakest players in the last few games. I didn't even mention new signings but yes, we do new players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 02:36:28 PM
A striker is at the top of the list surely?

For me that depends on Wesley and on the sort of winger we look for. A winger who would get 10-15 a season and Wesley coming back pretty early on would give us a chance to see if Samatta and Davis can step up. Samatta hasn't been good enough since his first 2-3 games but I don't think he's played enough games to be written off. Davis I'm more torn on, there's things I like about him but the lack of goals is clearly a problem.

If Wesley is unlikely to play before Christmas or Smith decides to go for a more traditional winger then a striker becomes far more important.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 02:49:08 PM
Wesley isn't good enough. We need a striker. Ideally, at least two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 02:50:23 PM
Wesley might end up being good enough, but he needs to be bedded in not have all the responsibility on him. So we do need a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
The problem is we can't, in my opinion, carry more than 3 out and out centre forwards. To sign a striker we need to move someone on so out of the 3 who are you ready to say can go?

I'd personally look for someone who can play wide or central to sign as a 'winger' but knowing they can easily move to the main man in a front 3, Marcus Thuram would be top of the list for me but he might be tough to get for us.

I'd have a long look at Gotze as well on a free, he could be a great between the lines players in English football, if he's fit enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
Oh, sticking in Germany I'd have a look at Kevin Volland as well, he's another who can play a few different positions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 03:13:20 PM
Haven't we got five goalkeepers? I don't think having four or more strikers would be the worst thing in the world, especially if they stick with the five subs rule.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 03:30:20 PM
Haven't we got five goalkeepers? I don't think having four or more strikers would be the worst thing in the world, especially if they stick with the five subs rule.

2 keepers need to go, Kalinic being one and then steer or Nyland. We never play 2 up front so 4 strikers you have 1 who was generally an unused sub and one who rarely even makes the bench. If you get someone in who can cover a couple of positions, including striker, then you can at least use them on the wing or in midfield and still use the other striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Wesley isn't good enough. We need a striker. Ideally, at least two.

I don't know if he's not good enough but we certainly cannot rely on him to be the focal point of our attack. Agreed we defintely need better options but as much as that we need more creative players to make those opportunities for whoever we have up front. We are not quick enough, mobile enough, skilful and clever enough to keep the ball, press opposing defences and break them down in a mulitude of ways. We are very predictable despite having one the most gifted and intelligent footballers in the league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
Callum Wilson from Bournemouth.  Ismail Sarr from Watford for right wing please. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
Ryan Fraser at Bournemouth who decided not to play. He's a good player
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 06:24:38 PM
Please let's learn the lessons now.

We should be better than a development club.

Our options upfront are a disgrace for the premier league. Our strikers scored in just 5 league games all season so you obviously start there.

We are also so slow counter attacking so obviously need a pacey wide player from somewhere.

Would like a steady head in midfield to keep everyone calm and mentor Luiz a bit. All this without planning for life without Grealish which could be a reality in next few weeks.

Brilliant we've stayed up but I can't shake off the 2013-15 vibes when we had similar escapes and because we signed rubbish we could never improve.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Get rid of Wesley, Samatta, Trezeguet, Nakamba and El Ghazi...all of them are not up to standard. Replace these 5 with upgrades and weíll be much improved next season. Questions also need to be asked at left back because Targett and Taylor are dodgy at best...same applies to Elmo and Fred but not so urgent. Our CB pairings will have learned a lot from this season, so not too concerned there after recent performances, and itís the midfield and up front where we need to have significant improvement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 07:01:14 PM
Get rid of Wesley, Samatta, Trezeguet, Nakamba and El Ghazi...all of them are not up to standard. Replace these 5 with upgrades and weíll be much improved next season. Questions also need to be asked at left back because Targett and Taylor are dodgy at best...same applies to Elmo and Fred but not so urgent. Our CB pairings will have learned a lot from this season, so not too concerned there after recent performances, and itís the midfield and up front where we need to have significant improvement.

I assume you want Lansbury and Jota replaced as well so that's 7-9 signings, if we do that we're in the shit again having to integrate half a squad into the existing group.

For me, without any changes, this team finishes 12-15th next season so I'd focus on removing the very worst players and bringing in top quality replacements that will want to be challenging for European football. It'll be a hard sell but if we can get 3-4 of them in to replace guys who don't really contribute then we can push into the top half.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 07:02:22 PM
Tammy Abraham may now be a realistic option
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
Tammy Abraham may now be a realistic option

Good shout actually. Even on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
I'd keep AEG and Trez as bench options, what we need is them not starting so often unless they are in form. With a short turnaround the last thing we need is replacing half the squad. Again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Chelsea have already started to lash out the cash and Tammy will be well down the pecking order. He plays the perfect style for Dean Smith. You put better wingers in that side and keep Jack and we are a lot better off. He's not fucking up the chances like Davis, Samatta and even Wes earlier. And I'd still get in one or two others. Even a Daniel Sturridge to give us experience and depth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2020, 07:07:19 PM
Get Ollie Watkins and Behrama From Brentford tomorrow and Messi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
As I said earlier, I'd like us to go for players from the next level up so I'd look at Volland or Thuram (probably looking around the £40m mark for either) and I'd speak to Gotze as a freebie option. 2 from those 3 and I'd be very happy with our attacking options.

Deeper I'd still like a big nasty bugger in midfield but I haven't seen an option I'd really like yet and I'd try to find a replacement for Taylor to really compete for the left back slot.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 07:11:31 PM
Outside of the usual suspects in 6th or 7th, the rest of the league is much of a muchness, so a solid midtable position shouldn't be asking for too much.  We need a lot more pace in the side, and obviously a front three worthy of the name.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
I'd keep AEG and Trez as bench options, what we need is them not starting so often unless they are in form. With a short turnaround the last thing we need is replacing half the squad. Again.

Yep, today showed why, despite his goals, we can't rely on trez to perform every game, he's just not at that level right now. Hourihane showed his limitations as well, they bypassed him for most of the game making it 3 on 2 or large parts. I'd keep both because I think they have ability and have a good attitude but we need more consistency in the starting eleven.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 26, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
Outside of the usual suspects in 6th or 7th, the rest of the league is much of a muchness, so a solid midtable position shouldn't be asking for too much.  We need a lot more pace in the side, and obviously a front three worthy of the name.

Agree. Players with pace number one priority
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KRS on July 26, 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Get rid of Wesley, Samatta, Trezeguet, Nakamba and El Ghazi...all of them are not up to standard. Replace these 5 with upgrades and weíll be much improved next season. Questions also need to be asked at left back because Targett and Taylor are dodgy at best...same applies to Elmo and Fred but not so urgent. Our CB pairings will have learned a lot from this season, so not too concerned there after recent performances, and itís the midfield and up front where we need to have significant improvement.

I assume you want Lansbury and Jota replaced as well so that's 7-9 signings, if we do that we're in the shit again having to integrate half a squad into the existing group.

For me, without any changes, this team finishes 12-15th next season so I'd focus on removing the very worst players and bringing in top quality replacements that will want to be challenging for European football. It'll be a hard sell but if we can get 3-4 of them in to replace guys who don't really contribute then we can push into the top half.
True. Iíd forgot about the likes of those pair, so they need to be shipped out first and we donít want to be signing too many players again (however they hardly got any game time anyway so will hardly be missed).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: CT on July 26, 2020, 07:20:57 PM
Get Ollie Watkins and Behrama From Brentford tomorrow and Messi.

Just watched Benrahma have a brilliant run, taking out several players in the process. He looks some player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: jwarry on July 26, 2020, 07:23:53 PM
Well this thread may now get interesting.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 07:25:11 PM
Right some pace please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Colhint on July 26, 2020, 07:32:18 PM
Pace on the wing, don't know who. Someone about 28 in the middle and up front. Too many inexperienced, I would change that if Tammy was up front, but I don't think Chelsea would let him go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 26, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
We need to raise our game, better quality all around. No more unknown players from Europe or Championship level. If we are to get it right then Suso needs to go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 07:35:20 PM
Outside of the usual suspects in 6th or 7th, the rest of the league is much of a muchness, so a solid midtable position shouldn't be asking for too much.  We need a lot more pace in the side, and obviously a front three worthy of the name.

We've finished 19 points off 10th place. Everton in 12th also got 15 more point than us and we took 4 off them.

We'd have to sign incredibly well to have a small chance of top 10 next season particularly as we'll likely lose our best player.

I'd be happy just being 10 points clear of relegation.

I think our first signing of this summer will be Axel Tuanzabe anyway. Just seems an obvious move now with us staying up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 07:38:48 PM
Tuanzebe is always injured, we don't need defenders anyway. Two forwards, two wingers, if everyone stays. That's all we need. Top half is hardly that difficult to achieve. Sheffield United and Burnley managed it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Ok so realistically I like to see a tweaking of strategy to allow for more experience of premier league players to come in as well as the exciting overseas brands from South America
Also more sway for Deano and get what he pursuits as well as perhaps moving on Pitarch and replacing him ?
Though maybe that won't happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2020, 07:42:08 PM
I would suggest getting two top MLS players both south America
One is Cristian Pavon the winger attacker and the other is Josef Martinez who is the best striker in MLS and a natural goal scorer.

I also not averse to Theo Walcott . Think he is a realistic shout.
He can be deployed as an attacking wide man or up front.
He is someone who runs the channels , has the experience, has a good attitude and decent role model /professional .
It's as good as we could possibly get with a couple seasons left in him , in a realistic manner but promise him first team position and even the main man up front .

 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 07:42:47 PM
Outside of the usual suspects in 6th or 7th, the rest of the league is much of a muchness, so a solid midtable position shouldn't be asking for too much.  We need a lot more pace in the side, and obviously a front three worthy of the name.

We've finished 19 points off 10th place. Everton in 12th also got 15 more point than us and we took 4 off them.

We'd have to sign incredibly well to have a small chance of top 10 next season particularly as we'll likely lose our best player.

I'd be happy just being 10 points clear of relegation.

I think our first signing of this summer will be Axel Tuanzabe anyway. Just seems an obvious move now with us staying up.

Yep, we beat Everton, Palace, Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal. There is a gap from us to them to varying degrees but it's not huge. We have a year of PL experience and we will be less naive from the manager through whoever remains at the club. Experience and savvy can be acquired but it's mostly earned. We will have more of that going into next season. What we don't need is more average 10-15m players. We need 4 or 5 very good players of the Douglas Luiz standard and price if we can find them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2020, 07:45:30 PM
I would suggest getting two top MLS players both south America
One is Cristian Pavon the winger attacker and the other is Josef Martinez who is the best striker in MLS and a natural goal scorer.

I also not averse to Theo Walcott . realistic and can be deployed as an attacking stroker who runs the channels has the experience has a good attitude and role model as well as good as we could possibly get with a couple seasons left in him


 

MLS is a very sub standard league. Almiron cost Newcastle 27m from Atlanta. He had 21 goals and 28 assists in 62 games and has failed at Newcastle. The jump is too big for most players. There are exceptions like Davies at Bayern, but generally they are lower PL or good Championship players at best
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 07:47:44 PM
Outside of the usual suspects in 6th or 7th, the rest of the league is much of a muchness, so a solid midtable position shouldn't be asking for too much.  We need a lot more pace in the side, and obviously a front three worthy of the name.

We've finished 19 points off 10th place. Everton in 12th also got 15 more point than us and we took 4 off them.

We'd have to sign incredibly well to have a small chance of top 10 next season particularly as we'll likely lose our best player.

I'd be happy just being 10 points clear of relegation.

I think our first signing of this summer will be Axel Tuanzabe anyway. Just seems an obvious move now with us staying up.

Yep, we beat Everton, Palace, Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal. There is a gap from us to them to varying degrees but it's not huge. We have a year of PL experience and we will be less naive from the manager through whoever remains at the club. Experience and savvy can be acquired but it's mostly earned. We will have more of that going into next season. What we don't need is more average 10-15m players. We need 4 or 5 very good players of the Douglas Luiz standard and price if we can find them.

Hopefully we can learn how to hang onto a lead, extra 10 points and mid 40s is what I'd settle for next season so well clear of relegation.

This end of season reminds me a bit of 12/13.

We looked dead and buried by the start of March and then went on a really good run playing decent attacking football. Had a spine of Guzan-Vlaar-Delph and front 3 of Weimann-Benteke-Gabby which is a much better front 3 than what we have now.

That summer we signed Okore, Luna, Bacuna, Helenius, Tonev and Kozak.

Please please please let's not make the same mistake again. It's easy to forget in the euphoria we didn't come close to getting 40 points. Next season is going to be another massive slog unless we sign well.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: simboy on July 26, 2020, 07:51:26 PM
A positive goal difference would be what Iíd settle for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 07:57:12 PM
I think the most important thing to remember now we're done is that in the last 10 games we conceded 11 goals, with 7 coming in the 3 games against top 4 sides. That defensive stability will go a long way to earning us the points to not need to worry about the bottom of the table.


Add a couple of players to help win the ball back higher up the pitch and take advantage of the counter-attack and adding 10-15 points to our total isn't anything like as big a job as some think. There are very few games where we haven't been in it with a few minutes to go so we haven't been far off all year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
A positive goal difference would be what Iíd settle for.

A positive goal difference would mean being pretty close to a European place
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: simboy on July 26, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
A positive goal difference would be what Iíd settle for.

A positive goal difference would mean being pretty close to a European place

Still say that should be the aim.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 08:05:05 PM
I don't think we want or need Tuanzebe.  No better than what we already have in Konsa. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 26, 2020, 08:06:16 PM
it's all about 2 strikers - how we've stayed up this season with a dog shit forward line is beyond me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
Really hope Man City don't buy back Luiz.  Whether Jack stays or not, he should be the fulcrum of our midfield next season.  He does appear to have everything in his game, and since the restart he's been our best player by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 26, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
I think we need 3 new midfielders to improve the supply to our strikers, and we need two top class strikers to put the chances away.  I don't think we should really be looking to give AEG and Trezeguet, or Samatta and Keinan many PL starts next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: simboy on July 26, 2020, 08:15:44 PM
it's all about 2 strikers - how we've stayed up this season with a dog shit forward line is beyond me.


Ironic that we scored more than Bournemouth and Watford really then? We have had a shocking defence.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 08:18:43 PM
I think we need 3 new midfielders to improve the supply to our strikers, and we need two top class strikers to put the chances away.  I don't think we should really be looking to give AEG and Trezeguet, or Samatta and Keinan many PL starts next season.

It's a good point Hilts and we also have to be mindful of the five subs rule as this looks set to stay in place.  At the current time, we really only have Davis and Nakamba, Engels, Hause and Elmo with any clue as to what is required of them.  Players like Henri, Taylor, Jota et al don't add a single thing, so we have to make sure that we develop the kids and sign uplifts for those named.  Also, to be fair, the Nakamba's of this world also haven't set it alight and may need a bit more time to grow into being a Premier Division player. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2020, 08:19:37 PM
2 strikers, 2 MF and a replacement LB to put pressure on Targett. New reserve keeper also required.
I'd move out: Nyland, Kalinic, Lansbury, Jota, Samatta, Taylor. I'm assuming Grealish goes.
I'd be putting Trez, Nakamba and AEG on notice that much improvement is required or they'll also need to be moved on.

I'd also be looking at the backroom staff to ascertain how the improvements in the mini-league were achieved compared to pre-lockdown, because I want more reassurance that our fitness and our tactics, set-pieces need to improve,.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ez on July 26, 2020, 08:22:52 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how ambitious we are with new signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
Have we not fucking signed anyone yet? This transfer window is a disgrace. 😡
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 08:27:56 PM
Have we not fucking signed anyone yet? This transfer window is a disgrace. 😡

It's not open until midnight. (wink).

Don't worry Suso is on the blower to Club Brugge's reserve team so we'll sign one soon enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 26, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
What I'm dreaming of is something reminiscent of the summer of 1995.  When we signed Southgate, Taylor, Wright, Savo, Draper.  5 players who walked into the team and improved it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2020, 08:35:01 PM
it's all about 2 strikers - how we've stayed up this season with a dog shit forward line is beyond me.


Ironic that we scored more than Bournemouth and Watford really then? We have had a shocking defence.

Lack of good defensive midfielder was a big problem. Drinkwater was a joke in the games he had and Nakamba is very average and should not be a starter next season if we want to do anything.

Think it would be a waste playing Doug there aswell, he can offer more going forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
five in five out should do it
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 08:39:36 PM
What I'm dreaming of is something reminiscent of the summer of 1995.  When we signed Southgate, Taylor, Wright, Savo, Draper.  5 players who walked into the team and improved it.

Taylor and Wright were bought the previous season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
What I'm dreaming of is something reminiscent of the summer of 1995.  When we signed Southgate, Taylor, Wright, Savo, Draper.  5 players who walked into the team and improved it.

Taylor and Wright were bought the previous season.

They were indeed.  Wasn't Taylor a swap deal with Sheffield Wednesday?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: gpbarr on July 26, 2020, 08:43:51 PM
Grealish goes. Bring in 4 proper PL players and we will kick on next season. No wholesale changes for me - letís just build on what we have, achieve mid table comfort next year, and then we are set up for bigger and better things.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 08:44:55 PM
Guy Whittingham and a million quid, iirc it meant Weds made no profit on him as Whittingham was the profit so they didn't have to pay Vale a sell on fee.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
The most important move has to be hanging on to Drinkwater, whatever the cost.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave17 on July 26, 2020, 08:48:16 PM
What I'm dreaming of is something reminiscent of the summer of 1995.  When we signed Southgate, Taylor, Wright, Savo, Draper.  5 players who walked into the team and improved it.

Taylor and Wright were bought the previous season.

They were indeed.  Wasn't Taylor a swap deal with Sheffield Wednesday?
Taylor scored so many important goals. I was watching highlights of our runs in the uefa and he was always there chipping in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave17 on July 26, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
The most important move has to be hanging on to Drinkwater, whatever the cost.
retire that shirt. Up there with Richards and Lescott
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 26, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
I think we need to make a statement signing early on, Tammy Abraham come on home (next week will do!)

Left back, midfield, out wide, striker all urgently required. Likes of Taylor, Lansbury, Jota, Nyland, even Elmo are likely to leave. I suspect Engels has long since played his last game for us. Nakamba, Samatta, Trez, AEG it's hard to know.

I sincerely hope McGinn signs up with whatever regime Luiz was on during the lockdown. There is a lot more in McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 09:51:21 PM
There is a lot more in McGinn.

Agreed. I reckon cream buns.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2020, 09:51:27 PM
Pace into the side please. Obvious we need quality, but pace has to be part of it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 26, 2020, 10:17:11 PM
The most important move has to be hanging on to Drinkwater, whatever the cost.
retire that shirt. Up there with Richards and Lescott
just remove the words " on to" and the statement reads better
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2020, 10:18:32 PM
The most important move has to be hanging on to Drinkwater, whatever the cost.
retire that shirt. Up there with Richards and Lescott

Retire the shirt and kill it with fire.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: David_Nab on July 26, 2020, 10:18:38 PM
Zaha wants out at Palace .....bit of pace in the side ...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 26, 2020, 10:26:00 PM
Zaha wants out at Palace .....bit of pace in the side ...

No thanks, he is going backwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Zaha wouldn't touch us with a bargepole, sadly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bryan on July 26, 2020, 10:30:41 PM
So looking at the teams that have gone down, maybe a move for David Brooks and/or Deulofeu? Both would improve us out wide. Billing as a squad player?

I see Dennis Manís move to Norwich fell down on fee, always thought he was raw but exciting.

But centre forward is crucial. Not sure there are any young Drogba/Bentekeís out there since Haalands move, so itís onto our scouting to find one. I think Samatta is simply not good enough and I like Wesley, but heís not going to be playing until 2021 so we need someone.

Or we splash all the cash on wages and get Bale and Zlatan/Cavani
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:33:33 PM
Zaha wouldn't touch us with a bargepole, sadly.

I wouldn't touch him with one, massively overrated player and comes across as a complete bellend.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 10:34:14 PM
The relegated teams have several useful players.  Buendia, Cantwell, Callum Wilson, Ake, Cook, Doucoure, Sarr.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 10:46:19 PM
The relegated teams have several useful players.  Buendia, Cantwell, Callum Wilson, Ake, Cook, Doucoure, Sarr.

Buendia - maybe if Jack leaves
Cantwell - maybe but I'm not sure where he fits with how we play
Wilson - doesn't score enough to be worth it for me
Ake - I prefer Mings and he'd cost a fortune in a position where we're pretty well stocked
Cook - Nah, don't rate him
Doucoure - Worth a look
Sarr - Not a fan, looks good but not enough end product for the £40m-ish they'll be asking


More generally I'm not a fan of looking at the relegated teams for reinforcements, even if they're good players who've done well there's a hint of failure about them, I hated it when Doug used to do it almost every summer (or so it seemed).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bryan on July 26, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Buendia - poor mans Hourihane
Cantwell - Gary OíNeill with an Alice band
Wilson - Their Gabby
Ake - Thereís a stat knocking about that says Bournemouth conceded 60 a season since promotion. So no thanks.
Cook - For the life of me, I couldnít tell you anything heís ever contributed to a football match
Doucoure - Fair. Would improve us.
Sarr - not for me, I dislike the kind of forward who doesnít score enough to be striker or create enough to be a winger
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2020, 11:09:53 PM
I quite like Sarr but he wouldn't be cheap even after relegation. He's one of those that could go the way of Adama and Saint-Maximin or be another N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:11:14 PM
How much would Saint Maximum cost? I want us to sign him. Would only be possible if their sale falls through, I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 11:23:34 PM
How much would Saint Maximum cost? I want us to sign him. Would only be possible if their sale falls through, I suppose.

I quite like Sarr but he wouldn't be cheap even after relegation. He's one of those that could go the way of Adama and Saint-Maximin or be another N'Zogbia.
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Just suggestions, perhaps not for Villa but one or two of them will get looked at by clubs coming up the the Prem.  One or two of them will also look better with better players around them.  Buendia is the second most creative apparently, according to stats. Ake talking to Man City, despite Paul-e and Bryan thinking he must be shit because he plays in a relegated defence.  Cantwell will be the next Maddison for Norwich.  Again, not for Villa perhaps but he's a talent and the next one off their production line.  Sarr is really quick and someone I think will go for big money, whether they were relegated or not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: David_Nab on July 26, 2020, 11:23:38 PM
Ake off to City for £35mil apparently

Fraser from Bournmouth , out of contract which is he hasn't featured since the restart.Has a lot of assists 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 26, 2020, 11:37:03 PM
Man City scored 102 goals but still didn't win the league. I'm less than convinced that Nathan Ake will be the solution to their problems.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 11:44:17 PM
Man City scored 102 goals but still didn't win the league. I'm less than convinced that Nathan Ake will be the solution to their problems.

I guess it must be quite a difficult task replacing John Stones! ;-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 26, 2020, 11:45:24 PM
Who will replace Luiz when Man City buy him back, even if it is against his wishes?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 26, 2020, 11:48:30 PM
Who will replace Luiz when Man City buy him back, even if it is against his wishes?

Ha ha, wrong thread and aren't you bored of the debate? None of us know what the deal is.  Do they have to match the rival bid?  Is the fee already set at the £15m we paid them? They WILL struggle with the work permit for him as he will NOT be one of their main players.  I hope he stays.  He does need to show the same sort of form next season before we deem him fit for Manchester City.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 26, 2020, 11:51:56 PM
Who will replace Luiz when Man City buy him back, even if it is against his wishes?

Ha ha, wrong thread and aren't you bored of the debate? None of us know what the deal is.  Do they have to match the rival bid?  Is the fee already set at the £15m we paid them? They WILL struggle with the work permit for him as he will NOT be one of their main players.  I hope he stays.  He does need to show the same sort of form next season before we deem him fit for Manchester City.


Wrong thread yes!!!

I do see the debate as a bit silly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2020, 11:52:52 PM
Who will replace Luiz when Man City buy him back, even if it is against his wishes?

Ha ha, wrong thread and aren't you bored of the debate? None of us know what the deal is.  Do they have to match the rival bid?  Is the fee already set at the £15m we paid them? They WILL struggle with the work permit for him as he will NOT be one of their main players.  I hope he stays.  He does need to show the same sort of form next season before we deem him fit for Manchester City.


Wrong thread yes!!!

I do see the debate as a bit silly.

Me too and I was stuck in it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 26, 2020, 11:59:57 PM
I think Brookes at Bournemouth looks a decent player.

I reckon we need 5 or 6 in minimum, several of last year's intake and a few retained from the season before clearly aren't good enough or at least not on a consistent enough basis - players like Jota, Lansbury, Taylor,  probably Targett unless he converts to a left midfielder and I don't think AEG or Trezeguet are good enough either.   Maybe even Hause.  Certainly need two good forwards who can score, create and press, a left back who can both defend and contribute to the attacks, a centre back with pace and maybe another central striker or central midfielder. Hopefully they've done some groundwork already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 12:33:08 AM
What I do know is that we will be talking about top level players joining us and not those we can attract to a Championship side.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 12:38:06 AM
Yep, I'm not sure we need to be looking at picking the bones out of the relegated teams.  As TV says, we should be looking at top level players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 12:42:07 AM
In the mid-nineties, we signed Southgate and Draper from relegated teams and that turned out okay. If we had gone down, clubs wouldn't suddenly have decided that, for instance, Jack Grealish was rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 12:46:04 AM
In the mid-nineties, we signed Southgate and Draper from relegated teams and that turned out okay. If we had gone down, clubs wouldn't suddenly have decided that, for instance, Jack Grealish was rubbish.
Which relegated players are as good as Southgate and Draper?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 12:49:18 AM
1 goal and Grealish, Luiz, Mings, Heaton, SJM would have been relegated. We know the calibre of some the players in 87 and 2016. It can be fine margins and being a player that is relegated doesn't mean we shouldn't consider them. Obviously you don't really want to end up signing most of the Norwich side!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2020, 12:51:56 AM
Sarr we should be all over. Exactly the type we need - pace, direct, can cross. We should also take a look at Wilson for the £10 million touted. For that money, hes streets better than Samatta and Davis, and would be good competition for Wesley. I really like Brookes but think Bournemouth might hang on to him to help their promotion push.

Cantwell would be a good replacement for Jack but create a similar issue, as he has for Norwich, where do you play him? In a lower half team, you need to have a very rigid formation to cope, Cantwell and Grealish are constricted or become a tactical headache. Jack is so good you cope with that, but Cantwell isn't yet.

I hope we have a couple of punts for fairly low value up our sleeve to add some of that pace, and I hope we are looking for a central midfielder that can compliment Luiz in springing us from defence on the counter. Smith has got his team shape and tactics right now, he just needs some better players in certain areas to move it forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2020, 12:54:36 AM
Iíd rather be raiding the relegated teams than the Belgian league again if Iím honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 12:54:46 AM
Put it this way, having stayed up by the skin of our teeth I'd be disappointed if 2 or 3 of our new signings were from clubs even worse than we were.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2020, 12:59:23 AM
Iíd rather be raiding the relegated teams than the Belgian league again if Iím honest.

You mean for players that have actually played, understand and have performed in this league? Just because Howe sets up so open a bus drives through most weeks doesn't make Wilson or Brooks bad players, likewise Sarr at Watford. They are individually better than what we have and should be considered if they improve our 11. I reckon out of the 3 relegated sides I could put a squad together that would finish 10-12th in the prem. Indeed, Bournemouth and Watford have been in the prem for 5 years before going down today, so are not filled with total dross.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 01:05:07 AM
Sarr is exactly why I should never be in charge of transfers. I love players like him as i'm a sucker for pacey wingers (I even liked Bolasie early on with us!), but he's probably going to be £30m plus, as a player he excites me, but also scares me as a signing as it's a big chunk on the next big thing or the next flop.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 01:06:16 AM
In the mid-nineties, we signed Southgate and Draper from relegated teams and that turned out okay. If we had gone down, clubs wouldn't suddenly have decided that, for instance, Jack Grealish was rubbish.
Which relegated players are as good as Southgate and Draper?

Dunno, I don't really watch much non-Villa stuff. Cantwell, maybe? I was just refuting the argument that a player being relegated automatically makes them not good enough to play for any of the surviving seventeen. Roy Keane had a reasonable career, for instance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 01:07:40 AM
In the mid-nineties, we signed Southgate and Draper from relegated teams and that turned out okay. If we had gone down, clubs wouldn't suddenly have decided that, for instance, Jack Grealish was rubbish.
Which relegated players are as good as Southgate and Draper?

Dunno, I don't really watch much non-Villa stuff. Cantwell, maybe? I was just refuting the argument that a player being relegated automatically makes them not good enough to play for any of the surviving seventeen. Roy Keane had a reasonable career, for instance.

You're nearly as bad as me for pacey wingers, you'd love Sarr.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 01:08:07 AM
Not filled with dross but relegation, and the long periods of poor form that lead to it, does stay with some players. I'd rather add players who are used to winning to our group this time around, particularly when we've finished with our first really good run of form all season. The confidence is coming but it's still fragile.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 01:09:41 AM
In the mid-nineties, we signed Southgate and Draper from relegated teams and that turned out okay. If we had gone down, clubs wouldn't suddenly have decided that, for instance, Jack Grealish was rubbish.
Which relegated players are as good as Southgate and Draper?

Dunno, I don't really watch much non-Villa stuff. Cantwell, maybe? I was just refuting the argument that a player being relegated automatically makes them not good enough to play for any of the surviving seventeen. Roy Keane had a reasonable career, for instance.

You're nearly as bad as me for pacey wingers, you'd love Sarr.

Probably, by the sound of him. I also liked Bolasie for a while. Get Sarr in alongside Bale and Saint 147 and we have real competition for places.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 01:13:03 AM
Sarr is the real deal. I would rather him than Benrahma who is unproven at the top level. Sarr can torch any top level full back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 01:21:39 AM
I'd rather get a few players from teams finishing above us and weaken them. We need to be finishing above likes of Crystal Palace next season imo.

Obviously can't get Zaha but who's probably their most consistant player after him....Luca Miliviojevic. Miles better as a DM than Nakamba and can take free kicks and penalties just as well as Hourihane so that's how you improve your first 11.

Burnley is another. Chris Wood had a decent scoring record for last few seasons and only 28.

These players won't get us close to qualifying for europe but they'd push up into mid table and then we continue building.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 01:22:29 AM
I thought they'd spent about 15m on Sarr, actually looking it up and it was about £30m. Him and Saint-Maxipad probably wouldn't see much change from 80 or 90m, assuming transfer fees stay the way they were pre Covid.

So I'd spend a 100m on them and then lose interest in boring things like signing defenders or proper midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 01:22:49 AM
Lallana linked to Brighton on a free . Exactly the sort of calibre and players with experience should be swooping on now staying up.

I thinking
Walcott
Albrighton
Damari Gray
Cantwell
Will Hughes
Loftus Cheek
Eric Dier
Batshuayi or Abraham

Are all potential probables.

Think that would make a decent squad along with a few others. Ball players , pace, goal poachers and creativity and Dier as a DM or defender.

Those targets along with Pavon and Martinez are realistic to where we are at this time as well as any nuggets we can get from around the European leagues or lower.
But essentially to have some experience as well as up and coming young players a few wise heads.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 01:24:58 AM
Pretty sure I read Sarr hadn't scored or assisted since February until today. In the Arsenal game he was only 10 yards from goal but passed back to the penalty spot for some reason. He's very quick but I think he's where Adama was about 18 months ago.

Think Deulofeu is more realistic. His injury was a big reason Watford went down.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 01:28:08 AM
He had assists against Norwich and Newcastle according to FPL, although they count winning a penalty or freekick that is scored as an assist.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2020, 01:34:35 AM
From Bournemouth:
Nathan Ake
Callum Wilson
Josh King
From Watford:
Doucoure
From Norwich:
Cantwell
Aarons
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2020, 01:36:54 AM
Pace, power and goal scoring. We need 5-6 players with the emphasis on bringing people in who go straight into the first team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 01:55:38 AM
Ake is reported to be all but done to Man City so I think we can chalk him off as an option.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 01:55:57 AM
I have been doing extensive scouting (two minutes on Wikipedia). What about this bloke? Plays in our favourite league, 18 goals from midfield, still only a babby?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2020, 02:10:08 AM
Leeds interested at £27m (according to Google) so no chance as they've got Bielsa, so he has already agreed to play for free.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5055b300a822eea1ed33f170f93d1ca9/tenor.gif?itemid=5637385)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 02:17:28 AM
We should wait until the last possible moment and then offer £27 million and a shiny pound. Gazump them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave17 on July 27, 2020, 02:23:38 AM
Carlton Palmer anyone?

Would imagine weíd need to upgrade Taylor/Targett, a new CB, both wingers and the striker if we donít sell grealish or luiz. Although I do like him Iíd move hourihane on and probably hause, Taylor, landsbury, and a few others
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2020, 06:41:22 AM
Taylor, Jota and Lansbury I would happily move on, throw Bree and Kalinic into that group too but the rest I would keep as our squad is not deep enough particularly with the five sub rule. Whilst five out seems a churn we need at least four players who will walk straight in to the starting 11. The likes of Hourihane, Hause, Elmo, Trezeguet and El Ghazi are useful squad players and a year more experienced at this level. Iíd only allow them to leave if they are part of a swap deal. Perhaps let them go over time as we build year on year.  Trezeguet was mentioned in a swap deal for Fenerbahce player, Christian Luyundula a while ago. He looks a large chap!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 06:44:10 AM
yes,I said earlier a judicious five in, five out will sort us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 27, 2020, 06:50:11 AM
I wouldn't be clearing out too many, one of the keepers and Landsbury would be about it. If we're signing a striker, then Samatta could be out too.

Keep this group largely intact and add 4-5 quality first teamers: striker, winger(s), midfielder, centre back.

Abraham, Tuanzebe and Benrahama are top of my own list.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 06:52:31 AM
yes to the first, no to the second and undecided on the third. i'd rather see Eze come in
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: richtheholtender on July 27, 2020, 07:01:33 AM
One of the keepers, Taylor, Engels, Davis out. Striker, Jedinak type midfielder, Strong Centre back, 2 Wingers in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2020, 07:04:47 AM
Let go -Elmo, Taylor , Hourihane, Samatta Lansbury AEG. Jota

Persevere -Nakamba Target Hause Trez Albert Davis Wes should be squad players but hopefully improve

Build the team around  -Jack SJM Konsa Mings Luiz

So to compete at the other end of the league we need  2 Full backs 2 midfielders and 2 forwards.






Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 27, 2020, 07:08:02 AM
No messing about.
A quality CF is the most pressing need and if it costs us £50m then so be it.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2020, 07:11:15 AM
Lansbury, Jota, Nyland, Kalinic are about all I would let go, and I'd have Reina in on a free as backup to Heaton. If you can get an upgrade on Taylor great, but it's not my first point of call this summer.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 07:11:27 AM
Breel Embolo as an alternative to Abraham?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2020, 07:12:05 AM
Breel Embolo as an alternative to Abraham?

Can we swap him for Samatta
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2020, 07:21:36 AM
Lansbury, Jota, Nyland, Kalinic are about all I would let go, and I'd have Reina in on a free as backup to Heaton. If you can get an upgrade on Taylor great, but it's not my first point of call this summer.
If we wanted to compete with the top 6 I donít think you are giving any games to those I say let go, or ask would any of those players start for any top 6 teams?
This is hypothetical I know but it shows the gap between us and the top end of the league even holding onto our best players.
I expect we will bring players in aiming for mid table mediocrity and watch Our best ones walk out the door. I hope we are aiming a lot higher than that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 27, 2020, 07:32:40 AM
Eze seems an ideal Jack replacement
Benhrama or Sarr out wide
Watkins at £18m release
Wilson as another stiker option. Maybe King too.

Need a centre half and left back to upgrade Engels an Taylor
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 27, 2020, 08:31:28 AM
I too would only let Kalinic, Jota and Lansbury go from 1st tem squad.  Elmo I'd keep on as he seems a good egg and helps Trez be settled and I think we'll see improvement from him next year.

Striker is 1000% the main priority plus a top level winger/creator.  I also agree on Eze if Jack goes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
I too would only let Kalinic, Jota and Lansbury go from 1st tem squad.  Elmo I'd keep on as he seems a good egg and helps Trez be settled and I think we'll see improvement from him next year.

Striker is 1000% the main priority plus a top level winger/creator.  I also agree on Eze if Jack goes.

Danny Ings cheeky 50 mil bid?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 27, 2020, 08:43:54 AM
I too would only let Kalinic, Jota and Lansbury go from 1st tem squad.  Elmo I'd keep on as he seems a good egg and helps Trez be settled and I think we'll see improvement from him next year.

Striker is 1000% the main priority plus a top level winger/creator.  I also agree on Eze if Jack goes.

Danny Ings cheeky 50 mil bid?

Why not. He has been superb.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
David Brooks from Bmouth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 09:10:30 AM
I too would only let Kalinic, Jota and Lansbury go from 1st tem squad.  Elmo I'd keep on as he seems a good egg and helps Trez be settled and I think we'll see improvement from him next year.

Striker is 1000% the main priority plus a top level winger/creator.  I also agree on Eze if Jack goes.

Danny Ings cheeky 50 mil bid?

Why not. He has been superb.

I wouldnít be wanting to spend that kind of money on a player off the back of one injury free season in about the last ten. He'd be guaransoddingteed to miss half the season if we bought him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2020, 09:19:39 AM
I have been doing extensive scouting (two minutes on Wikipedia). What about this bloke? Plays in our favourite league, 18 goals from midfield, still only a babby?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
The boy looks good. Do you think his dad Craig will make him rewind from Bielsa and selecta us?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 09:23:17 AM
I have been doing extensive scouting (two minutes on Wikipedia). What about this bloke? Plays in our favourite league, 18 goals from midfield, still only a babby?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
The boy looks good. Do you think his dad Craig will make him rewind from Bielsa and selecta us?

You've got 7 days to convince me he's the right choice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2020, 10:23:36 AM
Seen it mentioned that Van Aanholt at Palace has only one year left on his contract. Offers physicality and pace in a position where we've been too weak this season. One in ten goal average and chips in with plenty of assists as well.

If he was 26-27 you'd probably be looking at mental £30-40 million Premier League valuations. But at 29 and with his contract coming to an end you're not paying for potential.

Would still keep Targett, but would be interested in seeing what he could do higher up the pitch with less defensive responsibility. Good distribution, but not great positional sense or reading of the game. Which you need if you lack pace to the extent he does.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: villabear on July 27, 2020, 10:45:02 AM
Jan Vertonghen now a free agent after leaving Spurs. Too old?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 27, 2020, 10:51:07 AM
Can we stop shopping in the Championship & Jupiler Leagues please? Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on July 27, 2020, 10:59:39 AM
Jan Vertonghen now a free agent after leaving Spurs. Too old?

Inter and Roma are apparently both interested in him over here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2020, 11:00:08 AM
Does anyone know what the current FFP situation is? Both with us as a club, and within the league given the income falls most clubs have suffered?

I'm trying to gauge whether having very wealthy owners is going to give us some freedom in the transfer market this summer, or whether our spend last summer means we're a bit more limited on what we can spend regardless of the size of their wallets?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2020, 11:12:03 AM
Iíd agree with letting go off Kalinic, Nyland, Bree, Lansbury, jota, possibly one of Davies or Samatta.

Trez and El Ghazi largely havenít been good enough this season, but maybe as squad players with another year behind them, they may improve.
I would keep Hourihane, he can be hologram sometimes, hasnít always got the legs, but I also think heís been one of the key players in the run that has kept us up, heís shown real leadership qualities. In a similar way Iíd keep Elmo. 
Everything centres around Grealish though. Keep him, continue to build the team around him, he goes we need two or three in.
Smith seems to have solidified the defence in recent weeks, but another left back to challenge Targett and another CB to help out Konsa and Mings. Given how Smith likes to play another wide player, Benhrama hopefully.
And top quality striker, obviously!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 27, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
The absolute number one priority has got to be to get a striker in with Premier League experience who can get us 12-15 goals a season.

Callum Wilson, Chris Wood, someone of that level.

I still cannot believe that we stayed up when our defenders scored more league goals than our strikers (7 to 6).

Get a decent proven striker in and we will be able to breathe.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
Championship,  Luton  Harry Cornick , is a taller version of Jack Grealish. He's a wide forward winger with a decent skillset. Check him out. Think he would be useful and thrive in a better team that Luton Town.
Honestly he's like a less graceful version of Grealish but probably more direct and robust in style. No super jack but a similar vein and be useful shrewd moves

Also attackers midfielders  the players to add outside of
Eze  Benrahama

Strikers :
Adam Armstrong 23 Blackburn . Started at Newcastle is a goalscorer
Puscas reading. Romania very good
Tyrese Campbell stoke, only 20
And Ollie Watkins

Defender shout:
Maurading Right back Matty Cash is good enough I think to step up to Prem level. Take him from forest

From what I've seen of championship this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 12:00:40 PM
Iíd be keen to go for Benrahma from Brentford and Brooks or Wilson from Bournemouth, and throw everything at Chelsea to try for Tammy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 12:01:26 PM
I don't think I'd be looking at anyone from the championship this window, we need some real statement signings.

I put him on here a few times but I've watched a fair bit of German football since they restarted and Marcus Thuram would be top of my list by a long way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
I like Ollie Watkins as a player.

But hope he and Benrahama go up with Brentford and remain there for at least another season.

It's bollocks that clubs like that keep on losing their best players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
Wesley should be sold on for a high fee to China super League .
Am sure can recoup if not a bit more .

Then can look at the 2 top striker signings . And another from England. One expensive with experience and panache and maybe one everyone knows and heard of who is with goals pedigree .
Then take a shrewd one from championship English league.

Keep Samatta and Davis maybe even loan Davis but having 5 strikers next season I think is the business for the squad.
Smith of course may look at the whole wide forward that can double up as a striker but having at least 4 out and out mobile strikers and then ones who also play across the front would allow for flexibility and goal threat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2020, 12:13:11 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Even the Chinese won't be buying nags with a broken leg

Then again...

Let's see how his rehab goes. Maybe he'll make similar progress to Luiz with more time at the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
It looks like Manure are going all out for Jadon Sancho so hopefully they will leave Jack alone.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
I'm hoping we'll break our record transfer fee at least 2 or 3 times this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 27, 2020, 12:26:02 PM
Pace pace and more pace in attacking players needed. A massive CM to firm us up and make us nastier (Doucoure or Billing)
Brentford donít go up then we have to deal Benrahma ASAP
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 12:33:45 PM
We have to look at moving Samatta on, and loan Davis out too. Keep Wes - heíd need to prove his fitness before we could even think of selling even if we wanted to - I think there is a player there, unlike Samatta in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
especially after Samatta saying he's going nowhere. Well in one sense, he's right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2020, 12:54:53 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
We don't play with 2 strikers. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2020, 01:03:41 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
We don't play with 2 strikers. 

Playing with one would be a start.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mellin on July 27, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
If we keep hold of the quality already on board, I'd be very happy with Tammy and Tuanzebe, plus pace out wide.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 01:06:55 PM
Abraham and Tuanzebe both did well for us but I'm not sure we should go back for either. I suspect people,will call for us to sign the former every window for the next few years though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
If we keep hold of the quality already on board, I'd be very happy with Tammy and Tuanzebe, plus pace out wide.

If we hadnít signed Konsa last season Iíd have been happy with Tuanzebe. Donít want to be in a position again where we integrating too many players with limited top flight experience.

Bringing in someone like Shane Duffy or Evans at Leicester (or a player of similar age/profile) gives us that experience but also means Konsa can see an opening to be a first team regular in a year or two.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
We definitely need two strikers, both proven as well. Ideally not plying their trade in Belgium, either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: postal on July 27, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
If we keep hold of the quality already on board, I'd be very happy with Tammy and Tuanzebe, plus pace out wide.
How much would Tammy be if Chelsea were to sell.

And a fit Wesley isn't better than Samatta, who also has been a disappointment.

But we might be able to sell Samatta, and Wesley might come back fitter and we are stuck with him, he has to work. If he learns to head the ball, and attack the box more, and frigging shoot, I'll hold my hands up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
I will give my head a wobble but I wonder if the likes of Wellbeck or Sturridge will get gigs back in the Prem.  Both are goal-scorers, albeit with injury problems, Premier Division experience.  I couldn't see Villa going for them, bit I reckon the Tesco bags might.  Would be quite shrewd moves for them but only if they come off.

Dan Gosling from Bournemouth?  Is he any good? When will be make our first summer signing?  Should we have gone in for Adam Lallana? I suspect he wants to retire to the south coast.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: fbriai on July 27, 2020, 01:22:14 PM
I wonder whether having 5 substitutes and a bigger bench might have an impact on the number of strikers it's worth having in the squad next season, in that it might lead to teams being tactically more flexible. 0-1 down after an hour with 1 centre-forward on the pitch, switch it around and push 2 up front, as the bench has plenty of options. Would mean that having 4 out-and-out strikers in the squad would make more sense, even without injuries.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 27, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
We got the quantity in last season it's the quality we need now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Daleyís dreads on July 27, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
Definitely quality over quantity which is a refreshing change. Really like Brooks and Starr. Was very impressed with Josh King yesterday and heís versatile too. Not sure how consistent he is though.
Watford fans really like Will Hughes - seems a hard worker and quite good technically but not sure he has the physicality and pace we need!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 01:46:21 PM
Abraham and Tuanzebe both did well for us but I'm not sure we should go back for either. I suspect people,will call for us to sign the former every window for the next few years though.

Dean Smith generally in his managerial career has always signed former players. We got Konsa and Jota last summer who he'd managed previously. At Brentford he signed Sawyers and Rico Henry and at Walsall he signed a whole host of players he'd previously had on loan although of course the budget is a pittance there.

I don't think it would be that big a shock if we went in for Tammy although I think he'll see how the land lies at Chelsea next season and might wait until January before wanting out.

Tuanzabe just feels an obvious move given he did well on loan and he needs to get out of Man. United and play games somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 27, 2020, 01:49:07 PM
Ryan Fraser, out of contract at Bournemouth would be a great signing for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2020, 01:53:43 PM
Keepers

Heaton
Nyland
Steer

Full backs

Elmo (Experience and never let us down)
Guilbert
Targett

Centre defenders

Mings
Konsa
Engels

Midfield

Luiz
Grealish
SJM
Nakamba
Hourihane (squad filler only)
Barry
Trezuguet - (Hard to bin him after his goals kept us up and got us to a cup final)

Strikers

Wesley
Davis - (Out on loan for the season)

Sell all the rest and then spend the £30/40 mil received plus our new budget across £100 - 150m on 3/4 players of real quality

Positions to fill

Striker(s)
Fast wide man (thinking Benrahma et al)
Quality left back
Tough tackling Centre Mid

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
Ryan Fraser, out of contract at Bournemouth would be a great signing for us.
Possibly, but that was a ****** trick he pulled on Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 27, 2020, 02:00:27 PM
I wouldn't either Benrahama or Ollie Watkins signing for us and King from Bournemouth too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: oldhill_avfc on July 27, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Keepers

Heaton
Nyland
Steer

Full backs

Elmo (Experience and never let us down)
Guilbert
Targett

Centre defenders

Mings
Konsa
Engels

Midfield

Luiz
Grealish
SJM
Nakamba
Hourihane (squad filler only)
Barry
Trezuguet - (Hard to bin him after his goals kept us up and got us to a cup final)

Strikers

Wesley
Davis - (Out on loan for the season)

Sell all the rest and then spend the £30/40 mil received plus our new budget across £100 - 150m on 3/4 players of real quality

Positions to fill

Striker(s)
Fast wide man (thinking Benrahma et al)
Quality left back
Tough tackling Centre Mid



Who's Barry?

Over all this looks about right, though I'd ditch Engels and keep Hause.

Also I think the idea of a tough tacking midfielder is as outmoded as tackles themselves.  You need mobility and be able to retain possession under pressure in the centre of midfield these days - which Luiz has adapted to and the jury is still out on with respect to nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Luke8 on July 27, 2020, 02:14:41 PM

Who's Barry?

Over all this looks about right, though I'd ditch Engels and keep Hause.

Also I think the idea of a tough tacking midfielder is as outmoded as tackles themselves.  You need mobility and be able to retain possession under pressure in the centre of midfield these days - which Luiz has adapted to and the jury is still out on with respect to nakamba.

Louie Barry presumably. Academy boy we signed from Barcelona (previously at WBA). Heís an excellent prospect but only just 17 so might be a bit early to expect too much from him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Luke8 on July 27, 2020, 02:19:16 PM

Positions to fill

Striker(s)
Fast wide man (thinking Benrahma et al)
Quality left back
Tough tackling Centre Mid



Agree with the sentiment of less players but more quality, but I think on the basis left back is probably ok for another season. Be nice to have a bit more pace there, but otherwise Targett is ok and links up nicely with Grealish. Taylor is reasonable back up.

Beating in mind it would probably cost at least £15-20 million to upgrade that position then I think there are other areas (wide players and striker for a start) where the money would be better spent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
Signing Sturridge would be monumentally daft.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
Sturridge??? Fuck no. Where has that suggestion come from?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 02:33:44 PM
Terrible, terrible idea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 02:35:17 PM
I'd give AEM another 12 months tbh. Really like his mentality, someone who dosen't play for ages and then comes in and gives consistant performances. If we had more of his type in our squad we'd have been safe well before the final day.

Try to offer Taylor in a swop with a club who's got a decent young LB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 02:49:22 PM
Sturridge??? Fuck no. Where has that suggestion come from?

Itís been floating out there. Heís looking for a club. Iíd rather we didnít sign him but donít think itís that bad under very defined circumstances. That is contract is not ridiculous and the expectation of him is that he is a squad player at best and not someone who will demand a regular starting position which he is no longer capable of providing. But if I have to put up with that fucking shit goal celebration the rather it was with us.

But we should be looking at way, way better than him; starting options and squad.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
haven't we just been through the let's sign a has been thing yet again with Drinkwater? Please let that be the last act in the last chance Villa saloon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2020, 02:55:43 PM
haven't we just been through the let's sign a has been thing yet again with Drinkwater? Please let that be the last act in the last chance Villa saloon.

Whilst I think there are always exceptions to the rule, for instance, Pepe Reina coming in at the age of 60, I just don't see Villa going in that direction. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 02:56:41 PM
Signing Sturridge would indicate we haven't learned from past mistakes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
Goalkeepers are different. Under no circumstances should we decide to fix our most problematic area with a player who last played three succesive games when John Major was Prime Minister.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
We don't play with 2 strikers. 
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 27, 2020, 02:59:17 PM
We are probably at a disadvantage to most teams in the division in that we haven't known whether we would still be a Premier League team until yesterday.

The level of player available to us and the budget would only now become clear.

It also doesn't help that the turnaround to the start of the season is so short. September 12th is what 6 weeks away?

Should be a fascinating few weeks ahead of us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 03:00:39 PM
And a fit Wesley isn't better than Samatta, who also has been a disappointment.

Errr, if you check the facts of the just-finished season I think you'll find he is.
In his first season in the EPL, Wesley did ok for the time he was available to play. There's much more we should expect of him next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
Definitely quality over quantity which is a refreshing change. Really like Brooks and Starr...
Ringo or Freddy?
Both are a little old, I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 03:06:46 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
We don't play with 2 strikers. 
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
I'd class Trez and AEG as wingers, just pretty poor ones.  Obviously any striker should be better with better service, but I still think he's hugely limited and would not want to rely on him as a key player next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
I'd class Trez and AEG as wingers, just pretty poor ones.  Obviously any striker should be better with better service, but I still think he's hugely limited and would not want to rely on him as a key player next season.
You're right: we shouldn't rely on him - or any other player - as a 'key player', but Wesley will develop further; he has more to give us. IMHO, he needs more coaching and more assimilation-time into the EPL style (as Luiz has had).

... and: we will not get much for him now anyway, after the 9 months of injury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: john e on July 27, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
thereís nothing more nailed on than we will end up with Jessie Lingard at some point in his career

Iím saying this as a bad thing that will happen
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on July 27, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 27, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
I'd look, this summer, for focused spending.  We'll lose Baston and Drinkwater definitely, so they need replacing.  Jota isn't playing - swapping him for a pacy winger would make sense, although I'd not treat that as high a priority as the other two.  I'd bring in first team starters rather than squad players in those positions.  I'd not be against signing Pepe Reina on a 1 year contract, or extending his loan for another season, as cover.

That still leaves a few less-than-convincing players, but they'll be absolutely fine as squad players next season.  We've only got a fairly short pre-season, so I think bringing in any more than 2 or 3 players is a disaster waiting to happen - you just can't integrate that many players in the squad in such a short space of time and not expect the same kind of problems that have (necessarily) dogged us for the whole of this season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
We are probably at a disadvantage to most teams in the division in that we haven't known whether we would still be a Premier League team until yesterday.

The level of player available to us and the budget would only now become clear.

It also doesn't help that the turnaround to the start of the season is so short. September 12th is what 6 weeks away?

Should be a fascinating few weeks ahead of us.

I'm fairly sure they would have been planning for either outcome. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 03:14:01 PM
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
I'd class Trez and AEG as wingers, just pretty poor ones.  Obviously any striker should be better with better service, but I still think he's hugely limited and would not want to rely on him as a key player next season.
You're right: we shouldn't rely on him - or any other player - as a 'key player', but Wesley will develop further; he has more to give us. IMHO, he needs more coaching and more assimilation-time into the EPL style (as Luiz has had).

... and: we will not get much for him now anyway, after the 9 months of injury.
I don't expect us to sell him because of the injury.  Equally I don't have your faith in him coming good, but would love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 03:17:06 PM
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
I'd class Trez and AEG as wingers, just pretty poor ones.  Obviously any striker should be better with better service, but I still think he's hugely limited and would not want to rely on him as a key player next season.
You're right: we shouldn't rely on him - or any other player - as a 'key player', but Wesley will develop further; he has more to give us. IMHO, he needs more coaching and more assimilation-time into the EPL style (as Luiz has had).

... and: we will not get much for him now anyway, after the 9 months of injury.
I don't expect us to sell him because of the injury.  Equally I don't have your faith in him coming good, but would love to be proven wrong.
Well, let's hope he does!! - I like the idea of Villa having Brazilian internationals playing for us :-)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: algy on July 27, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
I'd look, this summer, for focused spending.  We'll lose Baston and Drinkwater definitely, so they need replacing.  Jota isn't playing - swapping him for a pacy winger would make sense, although I'd not treat that as high a priority as the other two.  I'd bring in first team starters rather than squad players in those positions.  I'd not be against signing Pepe Reina on a 1 year contract, or extending his loan for another season, as cover.

That still leaves a few less-than-convincing players, but they'll be absolutely fine as squad players next season.  We've only got a fairly short pre-season, so I think bringing in any more than 2 or 3 players is a disaster waiting to happen - you just can't integrate that many players in the squad in such a short space of time and not expect the same kind of problems that have (necessarily) dogged us for the whole of this season.
Tammy Abraham (should integrate quickly) + Sarr + the best quality holding midfielder we can afford.  Plus Reina on loan for another year.  We won't get much change from £100m, but we'll have a significantly better first team, a slightly stronger squad, and all the players (bar Reina) are almost certain to go up in value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: thick_mike on July 27, 2020, 03:40:00 PM
PACE
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
Too much pressure being put on Wesley. He was o.k in the early weeks but I'm struggling to remember a good game he had from middle of October up to Burnley away.

Let's remember Kodj had an electric season in 16/17 when he was one of the best forwards in championship. Two bad injuries later and he was never the same and reverted to a back up option once we got in Tammy. Also seen with McGinn it takes a long time for a player to get back the intensity they had pre injury.

I'm not expecting much from him next season, he probably won't be back until October. In an ideal world I'd loan out Davis until January then recall him and loan out Wes for the rest of the season.

Just a reminder, our collection of strikers this season scored in the grand total of 5 league games. That's with Grealish laying on second most chances in the league.

We need far far better in the final third next season if we want to get up to the giddy heights of 11th or 12th.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: London Villan on July 27, 2020, 03:47:17 PM
Whatís the ďwarchestĒ? £100m £150m more... thatís before Jackís future is sorted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Fred Crump on July 27, 2020, 03:47:26 PM
PACE


And finishing. Must be a proven goal scorer at the very top level
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 27, 2020, 03:58:35 PM
Whoever the person was who thought Drinkwater was a good idea is someone we should be concerned about if they were given the transfer kitty.

Personally, I think we need two wingers with a proven goalscorer upfront. We also need a left-back and a steely horrible bastard in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2020, 04:04:02 PM
Whatís the ďwarchestĒ? £100m £150m more... thatís before Jackís future is sorted.

I love a good war chest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
Quote
Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

No its not i'm afraid - at the very best he will be a poor mans Heskey. He is decent at what he does and by bringing him on fresh at 60+ minutes has been a master stroke over recent games.

But goal scoring is a natural thing and cannot be learned, it can be improved upon but not taught as the majority of the time it is pure instinct.

Davis just does not have that in his game. All those criticising Wesley i would have bet him to have scored that chance against Arsenal.

Just to put it into how hard it is to get that special striker

1st Jamie Vardy 23 goals

2nd Danny Ings 22 goals

3rd Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang 22 goals

4th Raheem Sterling 20 goals

5th Mohamed Salah 19 goals

6th Harry Kane 18 goals

7th Sadio Manť 18 goals

8th Marcus Rashford 17 goals

9th Anthony Martial 17 goals

10th Raķl Jimťnez 17 goals

To put into context Wesley scored 5 goals in 21 league games so improving on that is either serious money (and even then we would not get a sniff at any in the top 10) or another gamble abroad

Its a tough call
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
Still have a lot of holes to fill in the side for next season, so it may be a case of having to prioritise.  Key areas for me are experienced players to partner Mings and Luiz respectively (though Konsa had a good end to the season).  Then it has to be a quality striker, wide player and possibly an attacking midfielder, in that order.

I'm still far from convinced by our full backs, but we may need to prioritise other areas. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
Bloody hell, if Davisí record doesnít already scream it, letís be very honest. He isnít a Prem - or even Championship for that matter - striker in a million years. Willing worker, yes and probably a real pain to mark for his physicality but he doesnít score goals, which is a key flaw in the plan for a striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2020, 04:33:23 PM
Bloody hell, if Davisí record doesnít already scream it, letís be very honest. He isnít a Prem - or even Championship for that matter - striker in a million years. Willing worker, yes and probably a real pain to mark for his physicality but he doesnít score goals, which is a key flaw in the plan for a striker.

I know he hasnít, and wonít, but if playing him allowed 5 of the wingers and midfielders to hit double figures heíd be a worthwhile option.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2020, 04:47:36 PM
but he won't do that either. We need so much better than Wes Samatta and Davis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
First signing announcement

Carney Chukwuemeka Signs professional contract
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 05:42:48 PM
Good. He's very highly rated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2020, 05:45:20 PM
Good. He's very highly rated.

Looking at the clips he looks excellent receiving and keeping the ball. Very silky.

We can sell him now and retire his shirt number
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
Great news, he's one of 3-4 that I can see being involved with the first team through the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: walsall villain on July 27, 2020, 05:53:47 PM
Good. He's very highly rated.

Looking at the clips he looks excellent receiving and keeping the ball. Very silky.

We can sell him now and retire his shirt number
Thereís no room for a shirt number, not with all those letters in his name
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2020, 05:57:25 PM
Good. He's very highly rated.

https://theathletic.co.uk/1731813/2020/04/09/aston-villa-carney-chukwuemeka-midfielder/

It would appear that he is so good news.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 27, 2020, 06:00:08 PM
Whatís the ďwarchestĒ? £100m £150m more... thatís before Jackís future is sorted.

I love a good war chest.
I'm a pacifist.....I just love a good  chest
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
Still have a lot of holes to fill in the side for next season, so it may be a case of having to prioritise.  Key areas for me are experienced players to partner Mings and Luiz respectively (though Konsa had a good end to the season).  Then it has to be a quality striker, wide player and possibly an attacking midfielder, in that order.

I'm still far from convinced by our full backs, but we may need to prioritise other areas. 
I suppose arguing about the order of priority is a bit academic, but I'm amazed you think a centre back is more important to us than strikers and wide players.  Surely those are the biggest holes in our squad?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 07:03:23 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.
Agreed, altohugh I'd agree that he is not the answer (on his own) to our goals-challenge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Great news, he's one of 3-4 that I can see being need to be involved with the first team through the season.
... if we want to develop long-term quality from within as well as through the 'cheque-book'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mcgrath_85 on July 27, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.
Agreed.

Very short memories. Wesley offered nothing as a lone front man. Couldnít hold the ball up, got muscled out of most things and often just fell to floor and pretended to be injured. He was awful barring 3 games!
At least Davis give us something. 
If we can get anywhere near our money back for Wesley then we should sell, learn from our mistakes and try again!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 07:14:19 PM
Great news, he's one of 3-4 that I can see being need to be involved with the first team through the season.
... if we want to develop long-term quality from within as well as through the 'cheque-book'.

I'd agree with that amendment. Archer and Barry are 2 of the players I have in the group which is why I don't like the idea of 2 more strikers coming in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.
Agreed.

Very short memories. Wesley offered nothing as a lone front man. Couldnít hold the ball up, got muscled out of most things and often just fell to floor and pretended to be injured. He was awful barring 3 games!
At least Davis give us something. 
If we can get anywhere near our money back for Wesley then we should sell, learn from our mistakes and try again!

Wesley wonít be going anywhere due to his injury. Earliest would be January and even that may be too soon.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2020, 07:20:31 PM
Great news, he's one of 3-4 that I can see being need to be involved with the first team through the season.
... if we want to develop long-term quality from within as well as through the 'cheque-book'.

I'd agree with that amendment. Archer and Barry are 2 of the players I have in the group which is why I don't like the idea of 2 more strikers coming in.
Vassilev and Bridge are two others with good recommendations from people around this site that know better than me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: oldtimernow on July 27, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
Wesley is better than both Samatta and Davis. Why would we sell him first?
I don't think anybody would buy him until he's proved his fitness.  But personally I don't hink he's anywhere near good enough for the PL and doubt he ever will be.  If we could recoup the money paid then we should be biting hands off.  Hopefully he'll prove me very wrong next season, but I saw nothing in him at all that led me to believe he can be what we need going forward.

There was a lot missing with him, like positional sense etc and lots to improve. Saying that with all the problems he still scored 6 goals by New Yearís Day, which is more than Samatta or Davies have ever looked like scoring. I think heíll stay, Hopefully improve and become a player for us, a bit like Luiz who didnít really look like he could cut it before lockdown. However we canít make the same mistake again if relying on Wes as the main man, he has to be back up to someone whose more of the finished article.
Put a decent co-striker alongside him and he'll be fine.
Certainly a better prospect than Samatta.
We don't play with 2 strikers. 
Well, I think AEG and Trez would disagree with you (after all, we know they're not proper wingers!!).
I'd class Trez and AEG as wingers, just pretty poor ones.  Obviously any striker should be better with better service, but I still think he's hugely limited and would not want to rely on him as a key player next season.

they are no Tony Morley or Daley wingers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 27, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.

When he was younger than Davis is now, he'd already netted a couple in the Champions League. It'd be daft to write Wes off after half a season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 27, 2020, 07:45:11 PM
Does anyone know why we've let Sarkic go and sign for Wolves? Is it a case of him refusing a contract with Villa or did we just not bother to try to keep him?

Seems very odd to me, always liked the look of him as a young backup keeper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2020, 07:45:48 PM
Great news, he's one of 3-4 that I can see being need to be involved with the first team through the season.
... if we want to develop long-term quality from within as well as through the 'cheque-book'.

I'd agree with that amendment. Archer and Barry are 2 of the players I have in the group which is why I don't like the idea of 2 more strikers coming in.
Vassilev and Bridge are two others with good recommendations from people around this site that know better than me.

And Ramsey, Kesler, Burton (and Chukwuemeka who started the conversation). if 2-3 of those lot make it with us it'll be a huge success but I hope we'll at least see them given a chance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Even the Chinese won't be buying nags with a broken leg

Then again...

Let's see how his rehab goes. Maybe he'll make similar progress to Luiz with more time at the club.

Well can certainly hope though I feel Douglas Luiz is pretty special player and has pedigree with Brazil international levels juniors coming through the ranks and very progressive .
Wesley more someone who has been slowly developing.
It is unfortunate for his injury but I don't know based on how highly rated Dougie is if can hope for same level of greatness for Wes.
Definitely showed glimpses but not enough.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
We need more than 1 striker frankly. I mean when are people expecting Wesley to return? I can't see him being back and upto speed until 2021, so unless we fancy relying on the likes of Samatta and Davis then we need 2.

Ideally a choice of 5 to cover all possibilities.
By all means we could go all out and being over reliant on one special super striker like a Kane , Jimenez who are the one and only strikers at spurs and wolves but rather I feel it's wise in our position to have the variety of options of wide forwards- and two special number 9# out and out

So that's a 2 or 3 additional strikers in regardless of the ones we already own.
Then it's loans or selling ones we don't fit or lacking in adopting Deano Ball style of front press attacking
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: TonyD on July 27, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
Flog Wes and Samatta. 

Add £100m and buy two quality strikers to rotate with Davis.   Davis will come good.  Itís a confidence thing. 

Also flog Trez and AEG and buy one proper pacey winger. 

Simple this football lark. 

See itís interesting, and Iím genuinely not having a go, but why couldnít Wesleyís issues be down to confidence and why is Davis a better bet? Personally Iíve seen more in Wesley than in Davis.
Agreed.

Very short memories. Wesley offered nothing as a lone front man. Couldnít hold the ball up, got muscled out of most things and often just fell to floor and pretended to be injured. He was awful barring 3 games!
At least Davis give us something. 
If we can get anywhere near our money back for Wesley then we should sell, learn from our mistakes and try again!
Exactly,  Davis can keep the ball, beat a player and is great at drawing players out of position and getting fouls in dangerous areas.   In some ways  quite a mature head on him.   If Davis could start every game for half a season he would have found his shooting boots.  Wes was mostly truly awful..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holte L2 on July 27, 2020, 08:33:16 PM
I'd go for Wilfred Zaha for one of the wide positions. Hodgson said he wants to go and won't stand in his way. £40m is the reported figure for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2020, 08:36:46 PM
I'd go for Wilfred Zaha for one of the wide positions. Hodgson said he wants to go and won't stand in his way. £40m is the reported figure for him.
I wonder if Roy would be tempted for a straight swap for El Ghazi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 27, 2020, 08:41:24 PM
We have to go for Benrahma, surely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 27, 2020, 08:43:56 PM
I'd go for Wilfred Zaha for one of the wide positions. Hodgson said he wants to go and won't stand in his way. £40m is the reported figure for him.
I wonder if Roy would be tempted for a straight swap for El Ghazi.

Sign Zaha and keep Jack and we'll be breaking world records for fouls against in a game.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
Zaha is a decent strikers nightmare. Beats man, about to cross, no. Checks back... time to cross....no. Beats man again, striker makes 3rd run ready for the cros.... oh hes lost it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
Zaha is a decent strikers nightmare. Beats man, about to cross, no. Checks back... time to cross....no. Beats man again, striker makes 3rd run ready for the cros.... oh hes lost it.

Zaha is one of the most overrated players I think I have come across.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Newby on July 27, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Zaha is a decent strikers nightmare. Beats man, about to cross, no. Checks back... time to cross....no. Beats man again, striker makes 3rd run ready for the cros.... oh hes lost it.

Zaha is one of the most overrated players I think I have come across.

I think he is a talent but comes across as high maintenance.  Smith just wouldn't stand for the 'I'm better than you lot' mentality.  That said, if coached properly, having Jack on one side and Zaha on the other, we wouldn't be too shabby going forward!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
I'd go for Wilfred Zaha for one of the wide positions. Hodgson said he wants to go and won't stand in his way. £40m is the reported figure for him.

Cracking shout.
Would be great in the wide forward role of a front 3. Good pace , skills and strength
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2020, 10:32:54 PM
Has anyone any idea when Heaton or Steer are due back from injury? We urgently need both back fit for next season. Nyland couldn't cope with the pressure of being number one and Reina finally dropped the rick yesterday he has been threatening for weeks. Can't move backwards anymore.

GK - Heaton, Steer, +1
RB - Guilbert, Elmo (but if he got a 2 yr deal elsewhere we shouldn't stand in his way.
RCB - Konsa + 1
LCB - Mings and Hause
LB - Targett + 1
DCM - Luiz, Nakamba (though would cash in with a good offer)
CM - Hourihane, McGinn + 1
AM and Wings - Grealish, AEG, + 1
Forwards - Samatta (surely can't be as bad post restart), Davis (useful sub at worst) , + 1, Wes (injured)

Im assuming - Engels, Nyland, Taylor, Lansbury, Jota, Hogan, Bree, Kalinic are all on way out and despite his good run of goals I think we should let Trez go too.

Jack goes and it's a major overhaul of tactics and formation. All to be sorted in a matter of weeks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 27, 2020, 10:35:23 PM
Zaha is a decent strikers nightmare. Beats man, about to cross, no. Checks back... time to cross....no. Beats man again, striker makes 3rd run ready for the cros.... oh hes lost it.

Zaha is one of the most overrated players I think I have come across.

I have to say I agree with this.  Very occasionally he'll do something astounding but that's about it.  He is however better than what we've got but for what he'd cost it's not that much of an upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 27, 2020, 10:45:10 PM
I'd go for Wilfred Zaha for one of the wide positions. Hodgson said he wants to go and won't stand in his way. £40m is the reported figure for him.

Cracking shout.
Would be great in the wide forward role of a front 3. Good pace , skills and strength


He has gone backwards and is high maintenance, avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2020, 10:56:42 PM
We have to go for Benrahma, surely.

From what I've seen he seems to be more of a number ten, Jack type of player? We definitely need one flyer to come in on the wings, not sure that's Benhrahma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
It was reported on the wireless earlier that Zaha is on over £100k a week at Palace.  Add to this his goals tally this season (2 I think?) and itís a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2020, 11:09:15 PM
Zaha wouldn't be a good use of resources.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 27, 2020, 11:13:04 PM
£40 million would be cheap for him, I'd take that deal. Can't see it happening, though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2020, 11:14:10 PM
Zaha screams Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 27, 2020, 11:18:53 PM
Not in the know but I have a feeling we will see body's through the door fast and that the 5 or 6 we sign will be of very good quality. 3 squad players and 3 starters.

I would be surprised if the first sigings not announced by Monday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2020, 11:39:29 PM
Thatís quite specific for non ITK there...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2020, 12:19:49 AM
Tuanzebe will be the first one in I expect. Think a solid ITK on here confirmed a few weeks back that as a done deal if we stayed up? Just hope it's not caught up in the Grealish to United circus as they have any amount of deadwood they will try to pawn off on us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 28, 2020, 12:24:38 AM
Anyone else disappointed missing out on a move for Lallana ??
He's gone to Brighton on a free.
Think he's sort of experience campaigner with some flair we could have done with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 28, 2020, 01:07:57 AM
Not disappointed in the least, his best years have gone and we have had enough of the footballers version of a retirement village.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: dave17 on July 28, 2020, 02:49:25 AM
Anyone else disappointed missing out on a move for Lallana ??
He's gone to Brighton on a free.
Think he's sort of experience campaigner with some flair we could have done with.
classy player. But I guess we need to move away from the over 30 slightly brittle sort. Always tough as Cahill would have been a superb signing for us. Some prem experience would make sense but where and who is less easy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Big Ming on July 28, 2020, 05:11:40 AM
A fit Danny Wellbeck still looks like a baller.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2020, 05:57:46 AM
Tuanzebe will be the first one in I expect. Think a solid ITK on here confirmed a few weeks back that as a done deal if we stayed up? Just hope it's not caught up in the Grealish to United circus as they have any amount of deadwood they will try to pawn off on us.

Tuanzebe has been injured since December! Not likely to play until September. Far too injury prone and made the princely sum of 5 League appearances for Yanited in 2019/20.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2020, 06:46:41 AM
both loan spells with us blighted by injury, avoid.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 28, 2020, 07:01:42 AM
Tuanzebe will be the first one in I expect. Think a solid ITK on here confirmed a few weeks back that as a done deal if we stayed up? Just hope it's not caught up in the Grealish to United circus as they have any amount of deadwood they will try to pawn off on us.

Well the itk is a defend3r had a medical the same day we played united and putting 2&2 together I guessed Tunzabe. I could be miles off and its a different premier league defender. Maybe even a left or right back.
One things for sure though, united are going to want to send us 3 or 4 players in the grealish deal if it happens and you could well be right with the bogged down in that comment.
I'd take dan James, luke Shaw and Axel plus cash but can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: steamer on July 28, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
They can keep their hand me downs
if we want them we should bid for them, very few clubs give away good players as make weights, Ireland anybody ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 28, 2020, 07:32:37 AM
I know what you mean and this is why I think Jack is going to end up staying until Jan is that nobody has any money due to massive loss on revenue from the behind closed doors games and noboy will have the 80+ million cash we will be looking for.
So expect a lot of player plus cash offerings unless barca or real come calling
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2020, 07:51:43 AM
Tuanzebe will be the first one in I expect. Think a solid ITK on here confirmed a few weeks back that as a done deal if we stayed up? Just hope it's not caught up in the Grealish to United circus as they have any amount of deadwood they will try to pawn off on us.

Tuanzebe has been injured since December! Not likely to play until September. Far too injury prone and made the princely sum of 5 League appearances for Yanited in 2019/20.
This.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 28, 2020, 07:58:20 AM
We have moved on from Tuanzebe, surely?
The only Ďold boysí we should be looking at are Tammy and Allbrighton.



Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 28, 2020, 08:01:20 AM
We have moved on from Tuanzebe, surely?
The only Ďold boysí we should be looking at are Tammy and Allbrighton.





The benefits of signing him is that he covers 3 positions. Rb cb cdm. Utility players in a 25 man premier league squad are a must for me. Not saying we should break the bank by any stretch but if mings who has a history of being made of glass or Konsa get injured what do we do with Hause as our only other centre back option assuming we sell engles
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 28, 2020, 08:03:46 AM
I think we need a really quality central defender to start with.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 08:09:14 AM
I'm quite happy with Konsa and Mings. Only need to sign someone as cover if Engels goes. Don't let it be Tuanzebe. I like him, but he's always injured.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 28, 2020, 08:40:29 AM
Ideally I'd like to see some continuity this summer. If could only sign three players it would be quality additions in midfield, centre forward and wide man. All with pace.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave P on July 28, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
I can see Lingard being offered as part of a Grealish deal.  Not saying I agree with it but I can see him being mentioned.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
I think they will bring in five
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
I can see Lingard being offered as part of a Grealish deal.  Not saying I agree with it but I can see him being mentioned.

One goal, zero assists. It's a no from me. Especially as you can guarantee they'd probably value him at about £50 million with the England player surplus added on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clive W on July 28, 2020, 09:02:14 AM


Iíve also posted this link in the Pitarch thread
Article by John Percy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/27/aston-villa-sack-sporting-director-jesus-garcia-pitarch-john/
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 28, 2020, 09:06:48 AM


Iíve also posted this link in the Pitarch thread
Article by John Percy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/07/27/aston-villa-sack-sporting-director-jesus-garcia-pitarch-john/
Is there any chance a nice person could cut and paste this article?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: robbo1874 on July 28, 2020, 09:13:12 AM
I know weíve been talking about Wolves a bit recently. A raid on them for one of their players would be a nice statement of intent and put them back in their box a bit!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2020, 09:16:19 AM
Zaha screams Everton.

This.

He's the sort of player they'll pay 60m for and he'll have an entirely unremarkable stay there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 28, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
I know weíve been talking about Wolves a bit recently. A raid on them for one of their players would be a nice statement of intent and put them back in their box a bit!

Traore looks useful
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: DB on July 28, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
Zaha screams Everton.

This.

He's the sort of player they'll pay 60m for and he'll have an entirely unremarkable stay there.

See also Delph, Walcott
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
Zaha screams Everton.

This.

He's the sort of player they'll pay 60m for and he'll have an entirely unremarkable stay there.

See also Delph, Walcott

Bolassie.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2020, 09:32:17 AM
Zaha screams Everton.

This.

He's the sort of player they'll pay 60m for and he'll have an entirely unremarkable stay there.

See also Delph, Walcott

Bolassie.

A reminder that they spent £40m on Alex Iwobi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Chipsticks on July 28, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
Zaha screams Everton.

This.

He's the sort of player they'll pay 60m for and he'll have an entirely unremarkable stay there.

See also Delph, Walcott

Bolassie.

A reminder that they spent £40m on Alex Iwobi.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: AllanW on July 28, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
GK; Heaton, Steer, Kalinic, Reina, Nyland (Sarkic gone to Dogheads)

CB;                   RB;               LB;

Chester         Elmohamady         Taylor
Konsa            Guilbert         Targett
Engels            Bree
Hause
Mings

DM;                  CM;            AM;

Drinkwater         McGinn         Lansbury
Luiz                   Hourihane         Jota
Nakamba                             Grealish

Wingers;         Strikers;   

El Ghazi         Wesley
Trezeguet         Samatta
Green            Davis
                   Hogan
                   Vassiliev

Players; 31

To Go;
- Loans returned, contracts already notified as ending; 5;
Chester £0m, Drinkwater £0m, Lansbury £0m, Hogan £0m, Green £0m,
- To be sold, my guess; 2; Kalinic £3m, Nyland £2.5m (unless they return Reina)

Need;                                                                                              Upgrade;
Winger (L), Striker (to start the season), CB (if Engels is going), CM      LB,             

Possibilities;
*Lots of youngsters 18 Ė 21 we donít know about*
Ryan Fraser (winger L) (free),
Jetro Willems (LB) (final year of contract, coming back from injury, played at NUFC on loan),
Angelino (LB) (on loan at Leipzig from Man City, looking to sell him),
Hernandez (striker) (on loan at Mallorca from Watford),
Benrahma (winger L) (Brentford, Smith knows him),
Grujic (CM) (Liverpool player returning from loan at Hertha Berlin)
Longstaff (CM/DM) (Newcastle youngster yet to sign a new contract)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Ian J on July 28, 2020, 09:36:44 AM
I reckon Zaha would score on his debut followed by a few more before drying up for the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: robbo1874 on July 28, 2020, 09:37:26 AM
I know weíve been talking about Wolves a bit recently. A raid on them for one of their players would be a nice statement of intent and put them back in their box a bit!

Traore looks useful
maybe weíll get a discount because of some kind of sell-on clause when we first sold him! 😄
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clive W on July 28, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
Not sure whether my cut and paste skills are up to it but here goes
By John Percy from the DT

Aston Villa have sacked sporting director Jesķs GarcŪa Pitarch after securing Premier League survival, with John McGinn insisting they need to add more ďqualityĒ players.

Pitarch was axed on Monday as the club took action for the maligned £140 million spend on recruitment, with the decision rubber-stamped by owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens.

Villa avoided the drop on the final day and, as reported by Telegraph Sport last month, are conducting a full review of their football operations with the inquest led by chief executive Christian Purslow.

Pitarch has paid the price after a number of summer signings failed to pay off. It is understood the Spaniard was behind the recruitment of record £21m signing Wesley, Trezeguet, Matt Targett, Mbwana Samatta and Marvelous Nakamba, who have all struggled to impress over the course of the season.

Villa will look to replace Pitarch, known as Suso, and view the position as a priority.


Jesus Garcia Pitarch has been sacked Credit: GETTY IMAGES
Dean Smith, the head coach, has been assured of funds for new signings over the summer and will target players in attacking areas, plus a central midfielder, a right-back and possibly another centre-half.

McGinn, the Scotland international, is expecting major changes and has warned that Villa cannot risk another season struggling near the bottom.

He said: ďI think everyone is aware we need quality added. We obviously spent a lot of money last summer and we may need to go and do it again.

ďWe canít get complacent and think everything is alright now. It was a poor season overall, we know that - us as players and I am sure everyone upstairs is fully aware of that.

ďThere will be changes, I am sure of that. The ones who know what this club means, know what it means to play here, need to get that across as quickly as possible to whoever comes in.

ďThere is no way we should be celebrating finishing 17th with the size and stature of this place and the money we have spent.Ē

Villaís summer strategy appears likely to be defined by the future of captain Jack Grealish, who is on the radar of both Manchester clubs, although Grealishís hopes of a move to Old Trafford have been fading for some time. Manchester United have little appetite to pay anywhere in the region of £80m and their priorities have changed with Paul Pogba staying and the impact of Bruno Fernandes.

Grealish scored the goal at West Ham on Sunday which ultimately secured Villaís survival and admitted last week he was uncertain where he would be playing next season.

McGinn said: ďWe are not thinking about that now. He scored a massive goal for this club and no-one can get away from that.


Brothers in arms... but for how long? Jack Grealish (right) and John McGinn (left) shake hands Credit: GETTY IMAGES
ďHe woke up on Sunday and we had a chat, all the focus was on keeping Villa in this league. Our focus last season was getting the club promoted, our focus this year was keeping them in the league and we have managed to do that.

ďWhat happens now, Iím not sure, but Jack is still contracted here. It has been a privilege to play alongside him and hopefully that continues but you never know in football.Ē

McGinn has confirmed he suffered a second stress fracture in March, after initially breaking his ankle in December, and is already focusing on next season.

The 25 year-old admitted 2020 has been ďhorribleĒ but believes Villa silenced their critics by staying up.

Premier League 2019/20 final standings (bottom five)

ďI know we had 90,000 people at Wembley last season celebrating a play-off victory but this definitely feels sweeter,Ē he said.

ďWith four games to go we were seven points behind and not one person outside the club really believed we could stay up. In that sense the togetherness we showed and the character we showed to keep this club up is unbelievable.

ďWe were under enormous pressure, Iíve never known pressure like it before. There is a massive feeling of relief and elation.Ē

Smith, the head coach, has revealed he slept in his office at the training ground after a night of celebrations on Sunday.

Villaís players returned to Bodymoor Heath after the West Ham game with the party going on into the early hours.

"I'm not great because it was a heavy night but I'm ok," Smith told talkSPORT on Monday morning. ďI'm not sure what time it was. I slipped off before the lads could see me.

"I am immensely proud of the players and the staff because we had been written off by everybody. We walked off the pitch against Leicester and everybody was already saying we had been relegated.Ē
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Diablo on July 28, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
Thanks Clive, much appreciated!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2020, 09:48:29 AM
I'm quite happy with Konsa and Mings. Only need to sign someone as cover if Engels goes. Don't let it be Tuanzebe. I like him, but he's always injured.

Konsa has done well in the last few games, but I would be looking to bring some experience at both centre half and in central midfield to partner Mings and Luiz respectively.

Think the 4-2-3-1 formation has worked pretty well over the last few weeks and we just need to add a bit of experience and quality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Clive W on July 28, 2020, 09:49:55 AM
Thanks Clive, much appreciated!
No problems mate

Encouraging article - I get the impression Percy is one of us
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2020, 09:53:42 AM
I didn't know McGinn had that stress fracture setback in March.  The lockdown really did save us then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Monty on July 28, 2020, 10:00:23 AM
Good news about United perhaps doing one on Jack as well. If for nothing else, if he went to City at least he really would be going to get better under a coach who's perfect for him, rather than becoming another scapegoat for the spoiled brats in Peckham to whinge about on 606, demanding to sign Mbappe instead or something.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2020, 10:37:06 AM
Thanks Clive.
We need Jack situation settled one way or the other this week as there is not much time and we must sign 3 real quality players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
A fit Danny Wellbeck still looks like a baller.

14 goals in the last 5 seasons Danny Welbeck?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2020, 11:53:37 AM
Jack Cork and Isaac Hayden have only a year left on their contracts. Both proven performers in the top division, Cork in particular is underrated I think. Either would be a solid signing for us in an area that desperately needs strengthening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 28, 2020, 11:56:21 AM
Shiqiri from Liverpool would be worth a look, hardly kicked a ball this season but an experienced international wide player who scores and creates, temperament wise Iím not sure but the talent is certainly there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 28, 2020, 11:58:24 AM
A fit Danny Wellbeck still looks like a baller.

14 goals in the last 5 seasons Danny Welbeck?

Couldn't agree more.  The absolute last thing we need is yet another goal shy striker.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 12:01:29 PM
In fairness, that's quite prolific for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: danno on July 28, 2020, 12:03:43 PM
I'm not actually sure which is worse his scoring record or his injury record. He's had at least two major injuries since he joined Arsenal.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
There's talk of West Ham letting Noble go......
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 12:07:45 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
There's talk of West Ham letting Noble go......

I have my thoughts and Risso has his. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 28, 2020, 12:10:50 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
All I'd add to that is Gerd Muller and Stanley Matthews.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2020, 12:12:17 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
All I'd add to that is Gerd Muller and Stanley Matthews.

Muller doesn't do enough outside the box, just a German Scott Hogan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: frank black on July 28, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
All I'd add to that is Gerd Muller and Stanley Matthews.

Thatís just silly theyíre both too slow for premier league football.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 28, 2020, 12:14:34 PM
Danny Drinkwater seems to have settled in well - i would imagine he will be our 1st signing for £5 million
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 12:15:15 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
All I'd add to that is Gerd Muller and Stanley Matthews.

Thatís just silly theyíre both too slow for premier league football.

Still faster than Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2020, 12:15:52 PM
There's talk of West Ham letting Noble go......

I have my thoughts and Risso has his. I'll leave it at that.

Hmmm....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
There's talk of West Ham letting Noble go......

I have my thoughts and Risso has his. I'll leave it at that.

I don't know which side either of you are on but I think he's shit and a twat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 28, 2020, 12:16:45 PM
Muller doesn't do enough outside the box, just a German Scott Hogan.
Ah, remember the days when Darren Bent wasn't good enough for us because all he did was score?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
There's talk of West Ham letting Noble go......

I have my thoughts and Risso has his. I'll leave it at that.

I don't know which side either of you are on but I think he's shit and a twat.

That puts you firmly in my camp Paul, good man.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 28, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
We need a serious upgrade on AEG and Trezeguet.
Iíd love us to try and bring Albrighton home.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 12:36:48 PM
Exciting pacey winger x 2 is essential.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OzVilla on July 28, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
We need a serious upgrade on AEG and Trezeguet.
Iíd love us to try and bring Albrighton home.

Would he be much of an upgrade? No more sentimental stuff, quality please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
For me, in:

That Canadian bloke I looked up (Belgian team) £30 million
St Maximum £30 million
Sarr £30 million
That Norwich bloke with the shit hair £25 million
Abraham £30 million
Haarland £70 million

Out:

Lansbury £10 million
Jota £10 million
Bree £5 million
Chester £5 million
Samatta £20 million
The Croatian goalkeeper can't remember his name £5 million
Hogan (Small Heath) £190 million and we'll throw in Drinkwater.

We massively improve the squad, make a profit AND bankrupt the Blose.

Piece of piss this management lark.
Don't be daft we'll never get £5m for Chester.  But otherwise sounds legit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 12:41:18 PM
I was including £4 million for his image rights, I'm not crazy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
I was including £4 million for his image rights, I'm not crazy.
ah, got ya.  Let it be so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: andyh on July 28, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
We need a serious upgrade on AEG and Trezeguet.
Iíd love us to try and bring Albrighton home.

Would he be much of an upgrade? No more sentimental stuff, quality please.
Completely agree on the sentimental stuff. I donít want us bringing players back because they were good for us when were a different team.
And to be honest I was never Albrightons biggest fan first time around.
But, he has improved immensely since he left us and has a lot more craft and guile to his game now, plus he now has some serious experience at this level (and higher).
For me, he is massive upgrade on the 2 wide men we have.

I doubt we would actually be in for him, but I certainly wouldnít be disappointed if we were.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: postal on July 28, 2020, 01:16:19 PM
We can't throw Drinkwater in as he was a loan. Gone back to Chelsea I guess, via a supermarket to get some booze.

And sad that Samatta hasn't flourished, but if we can make £10m on what we paid for him, could be a good bit of business. And throw a crooked Wesley in for £5m

Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
We can't throw Drinkwater in as he was a loan.

Shush! They'll never notice.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: postal on July 28, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
 St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: aev on July 28, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.


Billing, Fraser and perhaps Wilson.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: in exile on July 28, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.


Billing, Fraser and perhaps Wilson.
They're Dads Army characters aren't they? 
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Exciting pacey winger x 2 is essential.

Not if Grealish stays.  Just the one needed in that scenario.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2020, 02:03:05 PM
Of the relegated teams, I've always liked Doucoure at Watford. He's a good footballer and a bloody unit, would beef up the middle of the park where we need it and probably wouldn't cost the earth. 27 as well, so plenty in the tank.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 02:03:30 PM
Two for me. Would rather have Grealish and two wingers. Grealish is wasted out wide.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
Exciting pacey winger x 2 is essential.

Not if Grealish stays.  Just the one needed in that scenario.

Yep, especially if we get a striker who could be pushed out wide if needed as well. That's how I'd be approaching this, a forward in the mould of Aubamayang who can play anywhere across the pitch and a winger who can go inside and out from either wing would be perfect. I've already given the names of the 2 I'd be after (Volland and Thuram) a couple of times, I think they'd be perfect for what we need to add.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: avfcpg on July 28, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.

Brooks and Callum Wilson...Ake will go to a top 8 club I would think..
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2020, 02:54:50 PM
Looks like Eze is off to Palace - real shame if true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2020, 02:56:57 PM
Looks like Eze is off to Palace - real shame if true.

probably relying on the Zaha money as they have not got much money CP but no way wil they get 70 million for Zaha
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
I really like the look of Eze but I'm not sure he'd be the right option for us this season, I think we need players a year or 2 further down the line than him. If he does go to Palace I wouldn't expect a massive impact next season, it'll take him a while to get up to speed just like a number of our players this year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Richard E on July 28, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
During the shutdown I wasn't really interested in the season restarting and was rather apathetic about whether we stayed up or not. Now football has returned and we have stayed up I wish the new season could begin today. I really think we have a chance to push on now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 28, 2020, 03:36:39 PM
St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.

Brooks and Callum Wilson...Ake will go to a top 8 club I would think..



Callum Wilson, if he can stay fit, would be great for us. Hasn't had the best of seasons but generally over the last 3-4 years has been excellent.

Wouldn't cost the earth either.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
I'm not interested in Wilson, something about him makes me think of Gabby and I'm not sure what it is or why, probably that he looked promising and then just stood still as a player all through the time where he should've been reaching his peak.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: themossman on July 28, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
Zaha screams Everton.

He does doesnít he. Dinosaurís graveyard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2020, 04:34:38 PM
During the shutdown I wasn't really interested in the season restarting and was rather apathetic about whether we stayed up or not. Now football has returned and we have stayed up I wish the new season could begin today. I really think we have a chance to push on now.

I know what you mean, I still don't think it was the right thing to do even though we benefited the most from it. I worry about football carrying on without the crowds, it's sets a dangerous precedent for the TV companies to exploit. Why not play matches at 11pm or 7am? Suits the worldwide TV market etc and fans can watch at home, we don't need them.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 28, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
St Maximum £30 million from Newcastle? he is essential to them, and isnt going anywhere.

There must be some Bournemouth players that could be worth poaching. None spring to mind atm though.


Billing, Fraser and perhaps Wilson.

The same Fraser who literally downed tools for them in the middle of a relegation scrap? Definite no for me. That St Maxime (sic) guy looks a far better prospect than Zaha for one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
During the shutdown I wasn't really interested in the season restarting and was rather apathetic about whether we stayed up or not. Now football has returned and we have stayed up I wish the new season could begin today. I really think we have a chance to push on now.

I know what you mean, I still don't think it was the right thing to do even though we benefited the most from it. I worry about football carrying on without the crowds, it's sets a dangerous precedent for the TV companies to exploit. Why not play matches at 11pm or 7am? Suits the worldwide TV market etc and fans can watch at home, we don't need them.....

I'm in about the same place, I don't think the season should've been finished in this way. To offer the simplest reason for that would Bournemouth have been relegated if Fraser hadn't effectively made himself unavailablr for a quarter of their games? Would we have got the same results we did if McGinn had missed our last 10 games? I said all along that I thought we'd stay up if the games were played but that I just didn't agree with it if the games weren't done by the end of June and I stick by that. That's not even going into the very real argument of what this means for scheduling going forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2020, 05:20:22 PM
If we're talking QPR, I think Osayi-Samuel is pretty decent. Pacy and strong winger.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Seb_AVFC on July 28, 2020, 05:27:35 PM
If we're talking QPR, I think Osayi-Samuel is pretty decent. Pacy and strong winger.

Off to Bruges apparently.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2020, 05:53:13 PM
If we're talking QPR, I think Osayi-Samuel is pretty decent. Pacy and strong winger.

Off to Bruges apparently.

At least we'll buy him once he's passed our "is he any good in Belgium?" test.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2020, 05:57:14 PM
Wasn't Callum Wilson a bit of a twat about us when he was a Coventry player?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2020, 05:57:16 PM
If we're talking QPR, I think Osayi-Samuel is pretty decent. Pacy and strong winger.

Off to Bruges apparently.

At least we'll buy him once he's passed our "is he any good in Belgium?" test.

I think that's over-egging our policy, which would more correctly be described as "does he play in Belgium?".
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 06:39:39 PM
"Has he ever heard of Hercule Poirot?"
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 28, 2020, 06:40:04 PM
We need a serious upgrade on AEG and Trezeguet.
Iíd love us to try and bring Albrighton home.

Why? He is past it. Would have taken him in the championship but not now. We need quality not has beens. A good player in his day though
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2020, 06:42:47 PM
If we get a fee for Chester it would be the greatest transfer scam in history, and we once got £20m for Downing!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
Reports that we're battling West Brom for QPR's Eze. Apparently Rangers want £20m. Surely if we're interested he would choose Villa?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: rougegorge on July 28, 2020, 08:42:48 PM
If we get a fee for Chester it would be the greatest transfer scam in history, and we once got £20m for Downing!
Not a significant fee at this stage of his career, but that's harsh to say the least. He improved Stoke since he moved and he's not some throw away player.

I would be generally wary of picking off the players form relegated teams. In particular it would be a 'no'to Philip Billing and Jefferson Lerma.

Billing has been relegated twice and like Lerma is a walking yellow card and they are very limited in what they provide.

Brooks and Wilson might be a different matter though.

Eze I would also take. We let
Benrahma slip through the net last year and Eze could be another one that is within our reach and he has the capacity to improve both us and himself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2020, 08:54:47 PM
Lerma is a bell end - looks like a red card about to happen every week.

I'd go for Lewis Cook, Callum Wilson from Bournemough.

From Watford I'd go for Doucoure, Deulofeu

Norwich's full backs Lewis and Aarons are decent
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: garyellis on July 28, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
Reports that we're battling West Brom for QPR's Eze. Apparently Rangers want £20m. Surely if we're interested he would choose Villa?


Someone posted earlier that if we do have to lose Jack eventually we should do like Leicester did with Maguire and buy a guy we can develop for a season as a capable replacement.
For me Eze has that potential
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2020, 09:00:30 PM
If we get a fee for Chester it would be the greatest transfer scam in history, and we once got £20m for Downing!
Not a significant fee at this stage of his career, but that's harsh to say the least. He improved Stoke since he moved and he's not some throw away player.

We released him a month ago, he's a free agent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2020, 09:00:40 PM
he's a good player, I've heard he's off to Palace as Zaha's replacement
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 28, 2020, 09:15:08 PM
I read something about Eze being West Ham bound.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
Meh. Eze come, Eze go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2020, 10:03:05 PM
Joining a few of other peopleís comments together; if Jack is likely to go in January (corona-crisis drying up other clubsí cash) then it would make sense to buy the replacement now so 1) we are not paying a premium 2) gives the guy a chance to settle 3) weirdly he wonít seem like a replacement so less pressure.

No idea who that guy is or indeed if losing jack should equal a tactical switch.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 28, 2020, 10:10:57 PM
Doubt he would go in January.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Was watching Inter-Napoli tonight and Alexis Sanchez actually had a really good game. I know people think he's semi retired now but he's started reguarly in Serie A and I reckon he's got one good season left in him and Man. United will obviously be loaning him out again next year so.....

More realistically some good players on the Napoli bench who might be available on loan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2020, 11:41:28 PM
Isn't Sanchez on insane in the membrane money ? ie £350k a week? I imagine Yanited would happily take a haircut on the transfer fee they paid just to get him off the books but there's no way we would be in for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Holte L2 on July 28, 2020, 11:41:44 PM
Was watching Inter-Napoli tonight and Alexis Sanchez actually had a really good game. I know people think he's semi retired now but he's started reguarly in Serie A and I reckon he's got one good season left in him and Man. United will obviously be loaning him out again next year so.....

More realistically some good players on the Napoli bench who might be available on loan.

Sanchez is currently picking up £350k a week at Old Trafford.......
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2020, 12:37:55 AM
Was watching Inter-Napoli tonight and Alexis Sanchez actually had a really good game. I know people think he's semi retired now but he's started reguarly in Serie A and I reckon he's got one good season left in him and Man. United will obviously be loaning him out again next year so.....

More realistically some good players on the Napoli bench who might be available on loan.

Sanchez is currently picking up £350k a week at Old Trafford.......

We get Man. United to commit to paying 80% of his wages of course like any sensible club would.

We must be only club out there that get rinsed on loan deals, having to pay full wages of Jenas for full season even when he got injured in the November and went back to Spurs. Even a rumour we were paying most of Drinkwater's wages which I really hope isn't true as he was on about 70k a week at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 29, 2020, 01:08:27 AM
I don't understand the Fraser at Bournemouth situation, why would he not extend his contract for a couple of months? What does he gain from not doing it? I read that 3 Charlton players also refused (one of which sounded like he was their best player) and I just don't get the mentality of that decision.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: stevo_st on July 29, 2020, 05:40:09 AM
I don't understand the Fraser at Bournemouth situation, why would he not extend his contract for a couple of months? What does he gain from not doing it? I read that 3 Charlton players also refused (one of which sounded like he was their best player) and I just don't get the mentality of that decision.

The argument generally given is that they donít want to risk getting injured and jeopardise a potential move.

No doubt agents are involved someway as well
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 29, 2020, 05:52:30 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: jwarry on July 29, 2020, 06:39:30 AM
2 days into the window and no signings, come on Villa sort it out 😁
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2020, 07:00:26 AM
completely unpardonable Villa, sort it out.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: frank black on July 29, 2020, 07:07:28 AM
I don't understand the Fraser at Bournemouth situation, why would he not extend his contract for a couple of months? What does he gain from not doing it? I read that 3 Charlton players also refused (one of which sounded like he was their best player) and I just don't get the mentality of that decision.

Snaps leg in second game, no income after 2 months. Thatís the fear
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?
Of course someone will want them: it's the price and their wages that will be the sticking issues.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
Bree did reasonably well at Luton, so I can see us getting a small fee for him, but players like Ange and Hogan are the real issue - maybe have to pay off their last year to see the back of them?. Hogan looked like he was playing himself into a move and then reverted to type on resumption just to spite us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Clicked on an article about Villa wanting to sign a forward for 16M, that was keen on joining, only to be disappointed.

It was an article from July 2019 about Benrahma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2020, 08:48:58 AM
i suspect they'll want double that now if they don't go up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 29, 2020, 09:30:46 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?
Of course someone will want them: it's the price and their wages that will be the sticking issues.
Quite right.  We should know by now that we always find it difficult to get players we don't want off our books.  I doubt we'll be any getting any significant fees for the likes of Lansbury, Jota or Bree.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 29, 2020, 11:07:52 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?
Of course someone will want them: it's the price and their wages that will be the sticking issues.
Quite right.  We should know by now that we always find it difficult to get players we don't want off our books.  I doubt we'll be any getting any significant fees for the likes of Lansbury, Jota or Bree.

It's a bit concerning that Smith didn't rate any of our youth players better prospects than the first two last season. Are the likes of Ramsey nowhere near ready? To be honest I never saw anything in Bree, came with a biggish reputation but couldn't defend to save himself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 29, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
I know we may let a junior player go and regret it afterwards but for me we hold on to young reserve players for far too long. If after two or the odd exception possibly three years in the reserves they can't break through they should be let go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 29, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?

I'm sure there will be an impact - across all clubs. 

Whether that's in the form of lower transfer fees, less movement or clubs leaving the bulk of their business up until the the very last moment remains to be seen.

If, even after the season we've just endured, owners scupper recruitment before we get rid of Lansbury, Bree and co we'll rightfully be at the arse end of the table again next year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
The young players need to be getting game time at 17/18 in League 1 and 2. By the time they're going on loan they've missed out on too much development.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mamuu on July 29, 2020, 11:28:42 AM
if the club are replacing Suso then presumably he will come in with his own plans/ideas. Doubt much will happen before then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2020, 11:33:21 AM
I should imagine that due to the financial impact of Covid-19 we will have to sell to buy, even our owners have been hit by the financial crisis.

Therefore it will be interesting to see who we are prepared to sell (no one will want Lansbury or any of squad players), so we may have to sacrifice selling a Mings for example to get in Abraham or a top class forward?
The market and the economics are same for every club. It has been adjusted so we will not be in any adverse position than  any other Club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2020, 12:59:06 PM
New bollocks/rumours: Jerome Roussillon - LB from Wolfsburg and the Brazilian striker Everton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2020, 01:02:16 PM
New bollocks/rumours: Jerome Roussillon - LB from Wolfsburg and the Brazilian striker Everton.

That's the more like the kind of level we should be shopping at now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2020, 01:10:25 PM
Looking at  Germany for signings is a good idea, there's a lot of very good players in the price range we're talking about.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2020, 01:11:19 PM
Looking at  Germany for signings is a good idea, there's a lot of very good players in the price range we're talking about.

And it's not far from Belgium.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 29, 2020, 01:12:02 PM
I don't understand the Fraser at Bournemouth situation, why would he not extend his contract for a couple of months? What does he gain from not doing it? I read that 3 Charlton players also refused (one of which sounded like he was their best player) and I just don't get the mentality of that decision.

I completely understand their stance.

What happens If under the short term contract they get seriously injured?

They have no loyalty to the club anymore than we do to our employers
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: luke:lamf on July 29, 2020, 01:20:16 PM
Looking at  Germany for signings is a good idea, there's a lot of very good players in the price range we're talking about.
It all seems a bit Football-Manager-simplistic, but the French and German leagues must abound with fairly cheap-and-cheerful, technically (and, more importantly, tactically) competent players, especially full-backs. Look how Pavard came through from nowhere to WC winner, Guilbert is clearly the best FB at the club, Kantť was a steal from Caen too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 29, 2020, 01:27:06 PM
Looking at  Germany for signings is a good idea, there's a lot of very good players in the price range we're talking about.
It all seems a bit Football-Manager-simplistic, but the French and German leagues must abound with fairly cheap-and-cheerful, technically (and, more importantly, tactically) competent players, especially full-backs. Look how Pavard came through from nowhere to WC winner, Guilbert is clearly the best FB at the club, Kantť was a steal from Caen too.

How dare you overlook James Bree like this
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2020, 01:53:06 PM
Looking at  Germany for signings is a good idea, there's a lot of very good players in the price range we're talking about.
It all seems a bit Football-Manager-simplistic, but the French and German leagues must abound with fairly cheap-and-cheerful, technically (and, more importantly, tactically) competent players, especially full-backs. Look how Pavard came through from nowhere to WC winner, Guilbert is clearly the best FB at the club, Kantť was a steal from Caen too.

How dare you overlook James Bree like this

I had forgotten James Bree was even 'a thing' as the kids say.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 29, 2020, 01:58:05 PM
Bizarrely he is on set piece duty at Luton.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2020, 02:02:24 PM
Clicked on an article about Villa wanting to sign a forward for 16M, that was keen on joining, only to be disappointed.

It was an article from July 2019 about Benrahma.

I believe that was Mateta at Mainz who got a bad injury around that time. Only 23 still and scored v Dortmund when play restarted. Not sure if he was our first choice ahead of Wes or an additional player.

That's plenty of decent players around in europe who wouldn't cost half as much as premier league equivilants. Newcastle signed Saint Maximin for about 18m and he's been one of the most exciting attackers in the league. Zaha would cost more than double that plus ridiculous wages.

We actually had the right idea in summer 2015 but chose to sign them all at a time when we'd lost the spine of our team so was too much pressure on them all to hit the ground running.

Having a foreign splurge would make far more sense this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 29, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
The young players need to be getting game time at 17/18 in League 1 and 2. By the time they're going on loan they've missed out on too much development.

That's why it's great we loaned Ramsey out to Doncaster last season and he was doing well there before the season stopped. Hopefully next season he gets another loan and then can challenge for squad place in 12 months time.

Compare that to O'Hare who we didn't loan out until he was nearly 21 even though he was getting nowhere near the squad for league games.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
I'd agree with that, most players in our academy should've had a year on loan by the time they're 20, we've been awful at both pushing the players out and, probably more importantly, finding teams where they'll get regular game time. Some players come through later, and that's ok as well, but the norm should be getting these kids into senior football as early as possible.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smithy on July 29, 2020, 03:04:17 PM
I don't understand the Fraser at Bournemouth situation, why would he not extend his contract for a couple of months? What does he gain from not doing it? I read that 3 Charlton players also refused (one of which sounded like he was their best player) and I just don't get the mentality of that decision.

I completely understand their stance.

What happens If under the short term contract they get seriously injured?

They have no loyalty to the club anymore than we do to our employers

Yeah, that was my take on it too.  Yes, if his contract had been a month longer, he'd have played a few more games for them - but why sign a NEW contract, for what probably amounts to 20k, and risk a massive payday that would come from signing as a free transfer in August?

If they were playing in the hope of earning a new contract with the club, fair enough.  But they were certainly not under any obligation to do so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
Well I'm just glad it didn't happen to us. We'd be cursing the fcuker all summer had we been relegated.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Smithy on July 29, 2020, 03:35:48 PM
Well I'm just glad it didn't happen to us. We'd be cursing the fcuker all summer had we been relegated.

I'm sure there were ways to handle it commercially i.e. they only want him for 6 more weeks, so pay him an inflated wage, but guarantee that if he gets injured they pay his wages until he's back fit enough to play in the first team and can sign on a free elsewhere?  Puts all the risk on the club, not the player.

Like you, I'd be pissed if a player did it to us, but I'd understand why, and I'd be equally disappointed that the club couldn't make it financially attractive enough and low enough risk that it was a no-brainer for the player (if they were important enough).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 29, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
New bollocks/rumours: Jerome Roussillon - LB from Wolfsburg and the Brazilian striker Everton.
As long as its not the Everton striker who is Brazilian. 
Spends more time on the floor than on his feet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 29, 2020, 07:41:48 PM
We need a serious upgrade on AEG and Trezeguet.
Iíd love us to try and bring Albrighton home.

Would he be much of an upgrade? No more sentimental stuff, quality please.
Completely agree on the sentimental stuff. I donít want us bringing players back because they were good for us when were a different team.
And to be honest I was never Albrightons biggest fan first time around.
But, he has improved immensely since he left us and has a lot more craft and guile to his game now, plus he now has some serious experience at this level (and higher).
For me, he is massive upgrade on the 2 wide men we have.

I doubt we would actually be in for him, but I certainly wouldnít be disappointed if we were.

He's also suited to any wing back or even right back role if it were needed.
Comfortable with him as part of squad, can offer a decent delivery , versatile and villa man.

I've always liked the hustle of Callum Robinson and him across the front 3 in any role I would not be averse to. Seems he's not wanted by Sheff Utd but the man has pace and has energy for the front press. Cheeky loan please?!

Doesn't hurt to have a few of our own fighting for the cause
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 29, 2020, 07:56:25 PM
Albrighton and Robinson? It feels like we were actually relegated on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 29, 2020, 08:11:45 PM
New bollocks/rumours: Jerome Roussillon - LB from Wolfsburg and the Brazilian striker Everton.
As long as its not the Everton striker who is Brazilian. 
Spends more time on the floor than on his feet.

Everton is the business. Would be a massive statement signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: fredm on July 29, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
I'd agree with that, most players in our academy should've had a year on loan by the time they're 20, we've been awful at both pushing the players out and, probably more importantly, finding teams where they'll get regular game time. Some players come through later, and that's ok as well, but the norm should be getting these kids into senior football as early as possible.
Purslow said at the recent Supporters Trust meeting that in future if a player reaches 21/22 and is not a regular member of the first team squad he will be on his way.  Said the U-23 team will consist of far younger players in future.  It will not consist of 22/23 year olds who wont ever become first team players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on July 29, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
Kelechi Ineacho being linked somewhere. He seems to play well against us but no-one else!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
Kelechi Ineacho being linked somewhere. He seems to play well against us but no-one else!

That would be a classic Villa signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on July 29, 2020, 09:05:28 PM
Isnít he on (even more than normal) eye watering money?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2020, 09:07:34 PM
Isnít he on (even more than normal) eye watering money?
aren't they all?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Keeno on July 29, 2020, 10:02:19 PM
Benrahma was different class for Brentford tonight. I hope we pay them what they want and get that over the line this summer regardless of whether they're promoted or not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2020, 10:09:12 PM
Yeah, I was really impressed with Benrahma tonight.

So hoping Fulham get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Holte L2 on July 29, 2020, 10:19:44 PM
Kelechi Ineacho being linked somewhere. He seems to play well against us but no-one else!

I didn't realise he'd scored as few goals as he had.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 29, 2020, 10:21:31 PM
I've always rated him but, as above, it's probably because I only see him against us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 29, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
He's shite for the money they'd ask. Leave him and his wage bill at Leicester and not think we can reawaken or polish turds, we almost never ever do.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 29, 2020, 10:59:57 PM
I was looking at the top scorers chart earlier, and the thing that stood out for me was the experience of most of the top 6-7 on the list. Vardy, Aubagymang, Aguerro all over 30, Ings, Kane, Salah, Mane, Jimenez all 28 or over etc. I think while I would like us to get a Tammy, or a Watkins if Brentford don't come up, I would also really like us to sign a Callum Wilson type, that has that bit of experience and can sniff out a few goals over the season.

Trez did brilliantly to get a few goals at the end of the season, but our right winger (if Jack is left) has to also carry a more consistent goal threat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 29, 2020, 11:16:03 PM
I only caught the second half of the game tonight but the Swansea left back looked decent, think they said he was on loan from Chelsea. Chelsea also sold a young fullback to Brighton, Lamptey (?) in January who looks flip hot whenever Iíve seen him play.
Perhaps a mooch around their squad for young players to fill gaps as they appear to be coached really well and show bags of promise.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 29, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
I was looking at the top scorers chart earlier, and the thing that stood out for me was the experience of most of the top 6-7 on the list. Vardy, Aubagymang, Aguerro all over 30, Ings, Kane, Salah, Mane, Jimenez all 28 or over etc. I think while I would like us to get a Tammy, or a Watkins if Brentford don't come up, I would also really like us to sign a Callum Wilson type, that has that bit of experience and can sniff out a few goals over the season.

Trez did brilliantly to get a few goals at the end of the season, but our right winger (if Jack is left) has to also carry a more consistent goal threat.

Spot on OJ .

Let's say we lose Jota right winger who is out of contract next summer how about a move for one of the following - who can all supplement the right side -
Theo Walcott
Jesse Lingaard
Damari Gray

All out of contract next summer so can do a deal for an experienced played in case of Theo and Jesse and on Demari a player who can still reach potential. Don't know if he's a villa boy but was academy with that other lot
 
I would go Walcott , Gray , Lingaard in preference.

Do you like any of these 3?
Feasible I think
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Legion on July 29, 2020, 11:36:32 PM
Mings, Grealish, McGinn, Luiz all will go anyway.

Not necessarily.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Legion on July 29, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
Stickied until the start of the new season (September?).
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 29, 2020, 11:39:01 PM
I only caught the second half of the game tonight but the Swansea left back looked decent, think they said he was on loan from Chelsea. Chelsea also sold a young fullback to Brighton, Lamptey (?) in January who looks flip hot whenever Iíve seen him play.
Perhaps a mooch around their squad for young players to fill gaps as they appear to be coached really well and show bags of promise.

Spot on here too Mr Neilsens.
Chelsea feed out loans pretty much every team in championship but also plenty to go round of even purchase as they are back buying again.

Yeah agree on Lamptey and Brighton seem to have a strategy in place which I find appealling and is like maybe a window or season ahead of villa yet we have the prestige and traditional status.

I deem them annoying in their moves for likes of Maupay , Trossard , Webster , Lallana and Lamptey as they are sort of potential and experience we could have taken .
Though I not at all remotely so keen on that Webster and price Ipswich asked. Happy with Konsa and Hause at half the price or so.

And yes I think of the more established Chelsea players who may struggle for game time  Loftus-Cheek and Batshuayi/Abraham should be looking to move. Esp if want to be part of reschedule euros 2021 .

I also think like yourself must be several Chelsea players around the divisions and loans who could be bought brought in.

The Brazilian Kennedy I believe is still there wouldn't mind him as a maurading full back (even though he's an attacker by trade)

Same with Ghanian Baba Rahmana left back who is a flyer .

Chelsea make me peeved how they take all and sundry and then just loan them out.
I think JT will make another call to Frank and see what they can give out . Feel that was the move that got ok Drinkwater and that's all Frank was willing to give.
Hopefully this time we get Barkley or Lotus Cheek.

Though I heard interested in Swift a decent championship level player who was at Chelsea so JT would know him and surprised though relieved we didn't take the great hope Josh  McEachran on a free. Birmingham took him and seems a place where the 'what could have beens ' of English talent end up
Our Garry Gards . The highly rated Dan Crowley and party boy McEachran but I don't include super Scott Hogan!

Good for Bellingham that he got out of that shite club but annoying the likes of Redmond and Gray were there and butland when surely the villa scouts should have had them
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2020, 01:13:04 AM
Stickied until the start of the new season (September?).

I think the window extends into October, a few weeks after the new season starts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dazvillain on July 30, 2020, 07:46:25 AM
I e said it a few close seasons in a row now the one player we should get for not loads of cash is Dwight Gayle . Always scored against us for whoever he played for . Reminds me of a Dean Saunders type and runs at pace and covers every blade of grass. Canít get a decent run in toon starting 11 for some reason

Thoughts  ?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 30, 2020, 08:03:43 AM
I think Gayle would be a decent shout alongside a more stellar striker.

Good mention of Brighton above (won't add to the quotathon) and they seem to be going about their business impressively early - Lallana is a decent signing and they have signed an impressive looking centre back from Ajax.

Hopefully the DOF changes will be sorted swiftly and we can get to work on our targets.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on July 30, 2020, 08:12:30 AM
Kelechi Ineacho being linked somewhere. He seems to play well against us but no-one else!

I didn't realise he'd scored as few goals as he had.

And then, as if like magic, the shopkeeper appeared.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/iheanacho-newcastle-villa-west-brom-4377578
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 30, 2020, 08:22:12 AM
I e said it a few close seasons in a row now the one player we should get for not loads of cash is Dwight Gayle . Always scored against us for whoever he played for . Reminds me of a Dean Saunders type and runs at pace and covers every blade of grass. Canít get a decent run in toon starting 11 for some reason

Thoughts  ?

If we were in the Championship, he'd be a good signing, he scores goals for fun.

In the Premier League, not so much - a goal nearly every 5 games.
2019-20 - 4 goals in 20 games
2017-18 - 6 goals in 35 games
2015-16 - 3 goals in 16 games
2014-15 - 5 goals in 25 games
2013-14 - 7 goals in 23 games

Seems to be one of those strikers great in the Championship but not good enough for the step up.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: fbriai on July 30, 2020, 09:00:02 AM
Stickied until the start of the new season (September?).

I think the window extends into October, a few weeks after the new season starts.

I think it closes on the 5th of October.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2020, 09:29:18 AM
I e said it a few close seasons in a row now the one player we should get for not loads of cash is Dwight Gayle . Always scored against us for whoever he played for . Reminds me of a Dean Saunders type and runs at pace and covers every blade of grass. Canít get a decent run in toon starting 11 for some reason

Thoughts  ?

If we were in the Championship, he'd be a good signing, he scores goals for fun.

In the Premier League, not so much - a goal nearly every 5 games.
2019-20 - 4 goals in 20 games
2017-18 - 6 goals in 35 games
2015-16 - 3 goals in 16 games
2014-15 - 5 goals in 25 games
2013-14 - 7 goals in 23 games

Seems to be one of those strikers great in the Championship but not good enough for the step up.

How many of those PL games were as sub rather than starter? He always seems to come on in games. Not that I'd be too keen on signing him now that we've stayed up. Had we gone down, definitely.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2020, 11:08:18 AM
Ineacho, Robinson, Albrighton, Walcott, Demari Gray ...
Is it 2016?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: robleflaneur on July 30, 2020, 11:12:11 AM
Wait for the outcome of the play off final and bid for Mitrovic or Watkins ,dependent on who doesn't get promoted.Add Benrahma if Brentford lose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: andyh on July 30, 2020, 11:50:14 AM
Watkins will have the pick of many clubs who will want him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 30, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Mitrovic isn't PL standard.  He's proven that season after season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Drummond on July 30, 2020, 12:01:32 PM
Ake to Man City for £40m.....
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2020, 12:02:17 PM
The Poundland Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2020, 12:06:27 PM
Well I'd be pleased if we signed Iheanacho.  Seems to have been developing at a decent rate, and despite playing second fiddle to Vardy this year, he still got 10 goals in 26 appearances.  Don't think we can turn our noses up at that to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: itbrvilla on July 30, 2020, 12:07:54 PM
Well I'd be pleased if we signed Iheanacho.  Seems to have been developing at a decent rate, and despite playing second fiddle to Vardy this year, he still got 10 goals in 26 appearances.  Don't think we can turn our noses up at that to be honest.
19/20: 20 apps, 8 as sub, 5 goals

18/19: 30 apps, 21 as sub, 1 goal

17/80: 21 apps, 14 as sub, 3 goals

Total 71 apps, 43 of them as sub.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
Looking at Iheanacho - goal scoring this season and he has scored 5 goals in a good side, that create a fair few chances - Wes has scored the same amount in a crap team - and most on here don't rate Wes at all

For me Iheanacho is not the forward that we need
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: luke:lamf on July 30, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
Iheanacho is this generation's Nicklas Bendtner. Massively hyped (but perhaps not so much by himself), but actually bog-standard. Perfectly fine if you're paying £10-15 mil and comparatively limited wages for squad fodder, but as he has come up through Man City and been a "wunderkind" at one point, his selling club will be pushing for an inflated fee and his agent for stupid wages.

For the same return I'd expect from him I'd hope someone would have a poke around Europe and for just a bit of effort grab a bargain.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: JJ-AV on July 30, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
15% of Ihenacho's domestic career goals have come against us.

He's only played against us in two of his five professional seasons (2015/16 and 2019/20)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: fbriai on July 30, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
15% of Ihenacho's domestic career goals have come against us.

He's only played against us in two of his five professional seasons (2015/16 and 2019/20)

Now I'm wondering whether it's worth us signing him just to stop him scoring against us!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
15% of Ihenacho's domestic career goals have come against us.

He's only played against us in two of his five professional seasons (2015/16 and 2019/20)

Now I'm wondering whether it's worth us signing him just to stop him scoring against us!

Get Shane Long and Ian Rush while we are at it
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2020, 01:04:29 PM
This Ian Aceho chap as I call him is quite lazy in closing down. Perhaps  doesn't press as much as Dean would like but is a definite type of goals scorer. He would have to be made the main striker and I rather have some one else than Nigerian Ian .
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 30, 2020, 01:10:00 PM
I've just remembered that I was very impressed with West Hams left back on Sunday, exactly what we need. Doubt we will be shopping from  the first team of other PL clubs but we need someone similar.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Wonder what we'll do with the keeper situation. Will surely look to move out Nyland and Kalinic and Heaton will still probably be crocked for start of the season. If Jed is fit he'll probably start but he's another that seems to pick up a bad injury a season.

It's ripe to get another experienced keeper in. Looking at Lange at Copenhagen they did well with keepers, sold Robin Olsen and Joronan to Serie A. One has been loaned out by Roma and the other has been relegated so both are available and first choices for their national teams.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on July 30, 2020, 01:57:32 PM
This Ian Aceho chap as I call him is quite lazy in closing down. Perhaps  doesn't press as much as Dean would like but is a definite type of goals scorer. He would have to be made the main striker and I rather have some one else than Nigerian Ian .

WTF!! Get a grip mate.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
Good shout above on the GK and on the KÝbenhavn (as they call it) the once highly rated , product of Ajax , Viktor Fischer being a villa signing all day long.

This guy promised big things few years ago , middelsboro signed him but was largely underwhelming , disappointing and didn't score in league that one season there (relegation)

Get this though Fischer one and only goal came at villa park in a pre season friendly .
At 26 this may be the type of signing villa take from Lange previous employers. An attacking midfielder, winger  who despite previous failure in England , circumstances didn't suit , could be a gamble I think we all know signing Viktor depends on Fischer price  :P
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: darren woolley on July 30, 2020, 02:19:50 PM
The Poundland Mings.

Love it Ads lol
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 30, 2020, 02:24:06 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger  who despite previous failure in England , circumstances didn't suit , could be a gamble I think we all know signing Viktor depends on Fischer price  :P
He can play mobile.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: robleflaneur on July 30, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
Haven't seen him play in a full game but Karlan Grant of Huddersfield  has a good goal scoring record  since the beginning of 2018,46 in 99 appearances for Charlton,Crawley and Huddersfield,.4 of them in the Premier for Huddersfield and 19 in the Championship this season.I do know that he is powerful and strong and will be only 23 in September.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Stu on July 30, 2020, 02:43:57 PM
Ake to Man City for £40m.....

What price Grealish?

Club captain
Most goals
Most assists
Most minutes played
Most free kicks (in the league) won
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks threade
Post by: Skerra on July 30, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
Jeepers, if Ake is worth £40 million, how much is Jack really worth!!!
KaroAKE sounds like a bad tune at that price!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 30, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
Haven't seen him play in a full game but Karlan Grant of Huddersfield  has a good goal scoring record  since the beginning of 2018,46 in 99 appearances for Charlton,Crawley and Huddersfield,.4 of them in the Premier for Huddersfield and 19 in the Championship this season.I do know that he is powerful and strong and will be only 23 in September.

Looks decent on the YouTubes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
as a back possibly but we need someone with more experience
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 30, 2020, 03:17:17 PM
Kalinic has made 11 appearances in two years. Nyland has made 30 appearances in two years. Heaton is 34. Steer is at his peak at 27. We brought in a loan keeper last season. I reckon Smith might sell Kalinic and go with Heaton and Steer with Nyland very much a third choice back up if he stays.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 30, 2020, 03:20:40 PM
Kalinic has made 11 appearances in two years. Nyland has made 30 appearances in two years. Heaton is 34. Steer is at his peak at 27. We brought in a loan keeper last season. I reckon Smith might sell Kalinic and go with Heaton and Steer with Nyland very much a third choice back up if he stays.

That would be my preference tbh. I'd like to see more of Steer this season, it's clear he and Heaton both have shit luck with injuries though, they've been plagued throughout their careers so far. Is Nyland a good enough 3rd choice? In any circumstance I'd say yes but I doubt we've seen his last run of games in a Villa shirt either way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2020, 03:25:34 PM
The Poundland Mings.

Love it Ads lol

Fischer Price was even better after the Ian Acheao wildcard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks threade
Post by: robleflaneur on July 30, 2020, 04:04:14 PM
Jeepers, if Ake is worth £40 million, how much is Jack really worth!!!
KaroAKE sounds like a bad tune at that price!!
Could never understand why Howe didn't rate Mings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 30, 2020, 04:33:16 PM
My top 3 gets for 2020/21


John Swift £5m



Eberechi Eze £17m



Said Benrahma £27m




Quality, speed, right age and resale value or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2020, 05:03:01 PM
I see the Saudi takeover is off at Newcastle......shame
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 30, 2020, 05:33:01 PM
Guess the Saudis just donít understaní tha Geordie peepl.

Like 99.9 per cent of humanity.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks threade
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Jeepers, if Ake is worth £40 million, how much is Jack really worth!!!
KaroAKE sounds like a bad tune at that price!!

Tim Sherwood said on punditry after Arsenal match- if Pepe is worth 70 million Jack is worth 170million!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2020, 05:45:59 PM
Guess the Saudis just donít understaní tha Geordie peepl.

Like 99.9 per cent of humanity.

Apparently,  the Geordies are heart broken......stuck with fat Mike
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Skerra on July 30, 2020, 05:59:01 PM
I still think theyíve got Ake mixed up with Mings. Similar hairstyle though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2020, 06:14:30 PM

https://youtu.be/2Wz-d7SowcM
Ajax days - top 10 goals

Viktor Fischer
Think he could be one we get in as part of the new sporting director move from Kopenhagen

If he can rediscover his abilities from Ajax and has had the English experience may prove a bargain

And this is what he did this season in Denmark :

https://youtu.be/L1Nd7EEIeow
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2020, 08:37:44 PM
Iheanacho is better than anything we have got, and given a season in the championship I am pretty confident would have banged in as many as Tammy. Realistically the next step for us is to get better players than we have in key areas. Iheanacho would definitely be that, as would Batshuayi. We are not going to go and get a 20 goal a season striker very easily, attracting them would be pretty tough. I very much doubt Leicester are letting him go though, Vardy is injury prone and they have not got a lot of depth there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on July 30, 2020, 08:54:07 PM
Batshuayi might be a decent shout Jim. I can't see him going for all that much as he's fallen well down the pecking order at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: garyellis on July 30, 2020, 08:54:56 PM
Iheanacho is better than anything we have got, and given a season in the championship I am pretty confident would have banged in as many as Tammy. Realistically the next step for us is to get better players than we have in key areas. Iheanacho would definitely be that, as would Batshuayi. We are not going to go and get a 20 goal a season striker very easily, attracting them would be pretty tough. I very much doubt Leicester are letting him go though, Vardy is injury prone and they have not got a lot of depth there.
I have no idea if Iheanacho is the answer but totally agree with your comment regarding a 20 goal a season striker.
If Tammy was available for us then it's a no brainer, after that it's a real challenge. We have to have more goals from our forwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2020, 08:57:59 PM
I see the Saudi takeover is off at Newcastle......shame
best news I've heard all day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
Iheanacho is better than anything we have got, and given a season in the championship I am pretty confident would have banged in as many as Tammy. Realistically the next step for us is to get better players than we have in key areas. Iheanacho would definitely be that, as would Batshuayi. We are not going to go and get a 20 goal a season striker very easily, attracting them would be pretty tough. I very much doubt Leicester are letting him go though, Vardy is injury prone and they have not got a lot of depth there.

With Iheanacho; he might be 10% better than Wesley but theyíd want £30m.  Whereas £30m could get a player that is easily 30% better than Trez/El Ghazi.  We cannot improve everywhere so we need to prioritise and drive value.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2020, 09:04:44 PM
Iím hoping Fulham shank the play offs, mainly because Iíd like Mitrovic at VP. Not everyoneís cup of tea, but I rate him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 30, 2020, 09:12:42 PM
Iím hoping Fulham shank the play offs, mainly because Iíd like Mitrovic at VP. Not everyoneís cup of tea, but I rate him.

Same. Cardiff need another goal to force ET
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2020, 09:13:02 PM
Iím hoping Fulham shank the play offs, mainly because Iíd like Mitrovic at VP. Not everyoneís cup of tea, but I rate him.

I'm the other way as I'd quite like Benrama
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 30, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
Iím hoping Fulham shank the play offs, mainly because Iíd like Mitrovic at VP. Not everyoneís cup of tea, but I rate him.

I'm the other way as I'd quite like Benrama

Ideal result for potential signings is Fulham out in the semis, Brentford out in the final.

Soft spot for Brentford though, being the small fish (relatively speaking) in the contest
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2020, 09:18:23 PM
Well I'd be pleased if we signed Iheanacho.  Seems to have been developing at a decent rate, and despite playing second fiddle to Vardy this year, he still got 10 goals in 26 appearances.  Don't think we can turn our noses up at that to be honest.
You surprise me.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 30, 2020, 09:19:20 PM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2020, 09:20:18 PM
Good shout above on the GK and on the KÝbenhavn (as they call it) the once highly rated , product of Ajax , Viktor Fischer being a villa signing all day long.

This guy promised big things few years ago , middelsboro signed him but was largely underwhelming , disappointing and didn't score in league that one season there (relegation)

Get this though Fischer one and only goal came at villa park in a pre season friendly .
At 26 this may be the type of signing villa take from Lange previous employers. An attacking midfielder, winger  who despite previous failure in England , circumstances didn't suit , could be a gamble I think we all know signing Viktor depends on Fischer price  :P
???
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 30, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
We're not likely to raise much through sales, though players like AEG and Trez are probably available for the right price and one, preferably both, need to be upgraded.

But we're surely not looking for gems to develop or players to take a punt on. I think we want three or four 'proven' players, i.e. in the £20m+ or maybe two over £30m and two over £10m.

Assuming Jack stays then I guess about £15-20m from disposals and then c.£70m net spend. If that is how it pans out, I think we trust Heaton to come back as good as before even if he doesn't start the season.

In order of priority - as close to a reliable goalscorer as our budget will get. Then a centre-half and attacking wide player. Then a DCM and a fullback (probably left-back).

Davis to go on loan, keep Wesley and Samatta and bin Drinkwater and a few others.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 30, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.

And we are unlikely to be spending £50m on a striker either
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 30, 2020, 10:10:57 PM
Good shout above on the GK and on the KÝbenhavn (as they call it) the once highly rated , product of Ajax , Viktor Fischer being a villa signing all day long.

This guy promised big things few years ago , middelsboro signed him but was largely underwhelming , disappointing and didn't score in league that one season there (relegation)

Get this though Fischer one and only goal came at villa park in a pre season friendly .
At 26 this may be the type of signing villa take from Lange previous employers. An attacking midfielder, winger  who despite previous failure in England , circumstances didn't suit , could be a gamble I think we all know signing Viktor depends on Fischer price  :P
???

Because we have a Danish DOF we'll be better placed to sign Danes who have failed here before, I think?

It's untapped bounty for sure.

As much low hanging fruit as that market will clearly provide I hope Coulhard extends the search a wee bit further. Let's be greedy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2020, 10:12:35 PM
Good shout above on the GK and on the KÝbenhavn (as they call it) the once highly rated , product of Ajax , Viktor Fischer being a villa signing all day long.

This guy promised big things few years ago , middelsboro signed him but was largely underwhelming , disappointing and didn't score in league that one season there (relegation)

Get this though Fischer one and only goal came at villa park in a pre season friendly .
At 26 this may be the type of signing villa take from Lange previous employers. An attacking midfielder, winger  who despite previous failure in England , circumstances didn't suit , could be a gamble I think we all know signing Viktor depends on Fischer price  :P
???

Because we have a Danish DOF we'll be better placed to sign Danes who have failed here before, I think?

It's untapped bounty for sure.

The glorious return of Jores Okore and Niklas Helenius.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 30, 2020, 11:09:14 PM
Can't see anything wrong with Footy's idea. Not that unfeasible that Lange might go back in for a player he has signed before, who was once very highly thought of at Ajax, or that if we do go back in for any players Lange knows from Denmark it'll be a Fischer type of profile with something to prove in a higher league.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 30, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
Oh absolutely. I hope we're aware of all the Danish strays who deserve a second chance at knockdown, low low prices.  I also hope we cast the net a bit wider. Don't think that's particularly leftfield, but let's see.

As an aside, it shows how messed up football is when you can acquire Brendan Rodgers at £10 million a year (based on his current contract), Abraham for a fee prob in the £40 million bracket based on recent dealings but you can pick up a sporting director - the guy who coordinates the whole thing - for a fraction of that. 

It's the one position you probably don't want to skimp on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Big Ming on July 31, 2020, 05:37:33 AM
Oh absolutely. I hope we're aware of all the Danish strays who deserve a second chance at knockdown, low low prices.  I also hope we cast the net a bit wider. Don't think that's particularly leftfield, but let's see.

As an aside, it shows how messed up football is when you can acquire Brendan Rodgers at £10 million a year (based on his current contract), Abraham for a fee prob in the £40 million bracket based on recent dealings but you can pick up a sporting director - the guy who coordinates the whole thing - for a fraction of that. 

It's the one position you probably don't want to skimp on.
I had always presumed that Director of Football was just the role of patsy who would take the fall to protect the Chief Executive when it all went tits up or, at least, fell short of expectations.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2020, 09:38:25 AM
off topic but got my ST refund email last night - for some reason they have split the refund into six payments spread over a week or so. Is this to comply with some accounting proceedure?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
It's split up into the six remaining home games. Not sure why.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: The Edge on July 31, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.
Who's this Noone? He always gets a mention. Must be loaded though if he's prepared to spend 50 million on Mitrovic
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: nigel on July 31, 2020, 10:29:59 AM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.
Who's this Noone? He always gets a mention. Must be loaded though if he's prepared to spend 50 million on Mitrovic

Must be getting good royalties from him Hermanís Hermits days
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Oh absolutely. I hope we're aware of all the Danish strays who deserve a second chance at knockdown, low low prices.  I also hope we cast the net a bit wider. Don't think that's particularly leftfield, but let's see.

As an aside, it shows how messed up football is when you can acquire Brendan Rodgers at £10 million a year (based on his current contract), Abraham for a fee prob in the £40 million bracket based on recent dealings but you can pick up a sporting director - the guy who coordinates the whole thing - for a fraction of that. 

It's the one position you probably don't want to skimp on.
I had always presumed that Director of Football was just the role of patsy who would take the fall to protect the Chief Executive when it all went tits up or, at least, fell short of expectations.

I had to search what this Patsy meant as all I know of that word is Cline &  'crazy'
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2020, 10:56:59 AM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.
Who's this Noone? He always gets a mention. Must be loaded though if he's prepared to spend 50 million on Mitrovic

Must be getting good royalties from him Hermanís Hermits days

Something tells me he's into something good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: in exile on July 31, 2020, 10:58:43 AM
After Tammy has taken all of his Chelsea references off his Instagram profile, I'd be calling Chelsea asap.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2020, 11:23:20 AM
What's Skillz's obsession with Victor Fischer all about? He looks shite.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 31, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
What's Skillz's obsession with Victor Fischer all about? He looks shite.

He's mentioned him twice. Hardly an obsession.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2020, 11:38:59 AM
What's Skillz's obsession with Victor Fischer all about? He looks shite.

Can play with both feet . Decent set play taker. Something to prove he can cut it after middelsboro failure.
Can play across the frontline
Peak age, attacking midfielder and unlikely to cost much in wage or fee
And plays at cophagen were Lange has arrived
Fischer Schooled in Ajax . Just the type of footy intelligence Deano and I love !
Won't mention again though! Unless we take him! Or he moves to Prem!
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2020, 11:54:35 AM
I'd hope our bar was set a few degrees higher.
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Post by: Newby on July 31, 2020, 12:35:54 PM
What position does he play Footy? Age, etc. Give us the lowdown dude.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2020, 12:45:22 PM
What position does he play Footy? Age, etc. Give us the lowdown dude.

Fischer is a good player and I think I suggested him last season or Jan. Winger who can play though the middle.

He's 26 but struggled in his 13 games at Middlesbrough.

He would be an option not a solution. If we rely on him we are boned. But is a massive upgrade on the lost at sea el ghazi
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 12:53:36 PM
Fischer was a top prospect a few years back but he struggled when given a chance to step up a level. He'd be a big risk.
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Post by: Drummond on July 31, 2020, 01:07:28 PM
Better than Baston?
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Post by: johnny from donny on July 31, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
John Swift?
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
John Swift?

No from me, he'd be squad filler rather than a guaranteed starter, I don't want us signing players to sit on the bench unless they're U21.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
Not a huge Mitrovic fan. Was hoping we would be moving onto "wow" signings ny now, rather than those that will do a job. I don't want to spend every season battling to finish seventeenth. If we are going to challenge near the top end of the league a striker likely costs around £50 million. Noone is going be spending that sort of cash on Mitrovic.
Who's this Noone? He always gets a mention. Must be loaded though if he's prepared to spend 50 million on Mitrovic

Good premier league experience....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Noone
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2020, 01:45:30 PM
What position does he play Footy? Age, etc. Give us the lowdown dude.

Fischer is a good player and I think I suggested him last season or Jan. Winger who can play though the middle.

He's 26 but struggled in his 13 games at Middlesbrough.

He would be an option not a solution. If we rely on him we are boned. But is a massive upgrade on the lost at sea el ghazi

Boro also signed Marton De Roon a few years back (think it was same season) and he also flopped but doing very well at Atalanta now.

Would love Gosens from them, fantastic LB.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2020, 01:56:09 PM
Was Fischer signed by Karanka, the geezer now linked with SHA?
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Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
What position does he play Footy? Age, etc. Give us the lowdown dude.

Fischer is a good player and I think I suggested him last season or Jan. Winger who can play though the middle.

He's 26 but struggled in his 13 games at Middlesbrough.

He would be an option not a solution. If we rely on him we are boned. But is a massive upgrade on the lost at sea el ghazi

Boro also signed Marton De Roon a few years back (think it was same season) and he also flopped but doing very well at Atalanta now.

Would love Gosens from them, fantastic LB.

They bought Martin Braithwaite off the bench when we humped them 3-0 up there last, and he signed for Barcelona in January.
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Post by: jwarry on July 31, 2020, 02:48:17 PM
Rumours of Buendia
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 31, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Rumours of Buendia

All I know about him beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he definitely cannot tackle to save his life.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
Would be a good pick up no question. Can find pockets of space and has a good number of assists over last few seasons.

Interested the fee Norwich will want.
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Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
Rumours of Buendia
All I know about him beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he definitely cannot tackle to save his life.
Great assist stats for last season, IIRC
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Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2020, 03:01:31 PM
Rumours of Buendia

Great curry house, staff very polite and food was excellent. Would definitely eat here again.
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Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2020, 03:04:01 PM
Rumours of Buendia

Great curry house, staff very polite and food was excellent. Would definitely eat here again.
LOL - nice one, Lee; very funny!!
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Post by: Ads on July 31, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Would bulk the squad up. Improvement on Angela and Jota for sure.

I'd want to be targeting the first XI replacements rather than the squad first though.
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Post by: Villan82 on July 31, 2020, 03:09:33 PM
At the end of the season I felt we needed to target signings for the first eleven. On reflection, the new 5 sub rule basically means you are looking at needing 16 quality players every game week.

So, yeah, Buendia makes sense as somebody to be a rotation option ahead of say a Jota. For instance, I think El Chazi could be a good impact sub next season rather than a regular starter. So somebody coming in who can play wing makes sense.
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Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
Rumours of Buendia
All I know about him beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he definitely cannot tackle to save his life.
Great assist stats for last season, IIRC

Yup - fourth in the entire league behind De Bruyne, Jack and Alexander-Arnold. Not bad for the side at the very bottom of the league.

He didn't score many though, maybe a couple all season?  Also not entirely sure what position Norwich played him in?

Edit: Also fourth in the league in successful 'take ons', behind Traore, Zaha and Saint-Maximin.  None of whom got anywhere close to his numbers of chances created.

So, he beats players and creates chances.  Sounds like a good option to have in the front three?
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 31, 2020, 03:41:38 PM
Buendia wouldn't be replacing Jota, he would be replacing El Ghazi, with El Ghazi replacing Jota on the bench.

Buendia would be a big improvement on both Trezuguet and El Ghazi so would be in the first team regularly. Both Trezuguet and El Ghazi would benefit from startong next season more experienced and from having enough competition to be rested when off form.

Not worried about him coming from a relegated club, Jack wouldn't have become a worse player had we gone down, just his price would have dropped. You could easily make a top squad from players in that went down, so makes sense for us to look at some of the better players in them.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2020, 04:13:05 PM
Buendia is a good player.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
We can't discount that his name means 'good day'. It's about time the first team started punching their weight given the excellent work the young lads are doing name-wise.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 31, 2020, 04:22:29 PM
Buendia wouldn't be replacing Jota, he would be replacing El Ghazi, with El Ghazi replacing Jota on the bench.

Buendia would be a big improvement on both Trezuguet and El Ghazi so would be in the first team regularly. Both Trezuguet and El Ghazi would benefit from startong next season more experienced and from having enough competition to be rested when off form.

Not worried about him coming from a relegated club, Jack wouldn't have become a worse player had we gone down, just his price would have dropped. You could easily make a top squad from players in that went down, so makes sense for us to look at some of the better players in them.

Agree with all of that. The biggest prerequisite for signing players this summer should be 'are they better than xyz who currently is the first choice in their position?' Is Buendia better than Trez or El Ghazi? Definite yes from me. Buendia in the team, one of Trez/El Ghazi on the bench, Jota thanked for his efforts and his locker cleared.
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Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2020, 04:25:43 PM
Imagine running out to Patsy Cline at VP! Crazy!
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Post by: Diablo on July 31, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
Rumours of Buendia
All I know about him beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he definitely cannot tackle to save his life.
Great assist stats for last season, IIRC

Yup - fourth in the entire league behind De Bruyne, Jack and Alexander-Arnold. Not bad for the side at the very bottom of the league.

He didn't score many though, maybe a couple all season?  Also not entirely sure what position Norwich played him in?

Edit: Also fourth in the league in successful 'take ons', behind Traore, Zaha and Saint-Maximin.  None of whom got anywhere close to his numbers of chances created.

So, he beats players and creates chances.  Sounds like a good option to have in the front three?
Going off this video he'd be a great addition - if of course we had a forward that could convert the chances
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 31, 2020, 04:42:58 PM
I think we need a centre half, defensive midfielder, a winger and a striker. The centre half been stones for £20 mill alongside Tyrone.

The partnership could Stones and Mings,  ďStingsĒ At the back.
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Post by: NorthYvillan on July 31, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
I think we need a centre half, defensive midfielder, a winger and a striker. The centre half been stones for £20 mill alongside Tyrone.

The partnership could Stones and Mings,  ďStingsĒ At the back.

Don't rate Stones. Think what we have is better.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
We on about the Man City Stones? Surely you wouldn't get him for £20 million when they paid more than double that?
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Post by: Drummond on July 31, 2020, 04:59:05 PM
Buendia to replace Grealish perhaps.

I can't decide whether better forwards would have scored more from the chances he created or whether the chances weren't that great after all but looked good. Either way, unless we get an Abrahams type player he'd be pointless for us.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 31, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
I wouldn't go near Stones, I don't think he's any better than Mings and he's just as error-prone if not moreso. 100% there is better out there for less than he'd cost. Wages also would be huge.
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 05:14:00 PM
If jack goes then buendia would be a good replacement but I'm not sure I'd want them both in the team.
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Post by: richtheholtender on July 31, 2020, 05:14:58 PM
He seems to get a lot of negative press but I think heís a decent player. If we sell Engels and upgrade to Stones or a player of premier league quality I for one would be more confident next season. Konsa has impressed me this year but if we are talking about squad depth and improving our league position an upgrade at centre half is essential.

What is equally important is we get a physical presence in front of the defence. Nobody wants instantly springs to mind (thank go itís not my job) but someone like Jedinak at 27 would be ideal. Nkamba is decent and has his place but a big tough git would be great please.
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Post by: dorsetvillian on July 31, 2020, 05:16:48 PM
Love the weight of his passing. Just like Jack..
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2020, 05:17:41 PM
I don't think centre half is essential. Mings and Konsa look very good together and we have two centre halves as cover.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 31, 2020, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think centre half is essential. Mings and Konsa look very good together and we have two centre halves as cover.

If we're strengthening in defense, left back should be the priority to push Targett down to sub and push Taylor somewhere that isn't Villa.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 31, 2020, 05:22:35 PM
If jack goes then buendia would be a good replacement but I'm not sure I'd want them both in the team.

I do!
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2020, 05:29:59 PM
I don't think centre half is essential. Mings and Konsa look very good together and we have two centre halves as cover.

If we're strengthening in defense, left back should be the priority to push Targett down to sub and push Taylor somewhere that isn't Villa.

Not for me, happy with Targett as first choice and Taylor/Hause cover.
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Post by: robleflaneur on July 31, 2020, 05:39:45 PM
I don't think centre half is essential. Mings and Konsa look very good together and we have two centre halves as cover.

If we're strengthening in defense, left back should be the priority to push Targett down to sub and push Taylor somewhere that isn't Villa.
Agreed. The  two other priorities for me would be a more physical player than Hourihane,we would then have a superb midfield ,and a decent upgrade on Sambatta and Davis.Add Heaton,we then should be above the likes of Burnley and Sheff U. If the funds stretch to a wide player  that would be nice.
If Grealish went ,then we would have to buy another 3 and make sure we have no weak links in the squad.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
At least one wide player is essential, I reckon. I'd like two, but not even getting one would be madness. And at least two forwards. So if one doesn't work, the other might. No putting all our eggs in one basket again.
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Post by: OCD on July 31, 2020, 06:14:25 PM
I could see Buendia happening. Smith's supposedly been after him for a few windows now and seems very realistic now.
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Post by: Newby on July 31, 2020, 06:21:02 PM
If Norwich had a quick, good finisher up front, they would not have finished bottom!  Buendia's passing is very good.  I'd be very happy with him in the squad, whether Jack is here or not.  I quite like Jon Swift too.  Get him in as well, especially for the fee they are talking about as I reckon Villa will improve him. Squad player, rather than starter, replacement on the bench for Hoorah Henri.
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 06:29:02 PM
I have no issue with Buendia, i think he's a very good player, but I think him and Jack are too similar, I think a winger who gets in the box and scores goals (i.e. a better version of trez) is the most important signing.
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Post by: Newby on July 31, 2020, 06:32:15 PM
I have no issue with Buendia, i think he's a very good player, but I think him and Jack are too similar, I think a winger who gets in the box and scores goals (i.e. a better version of trez) is the most important signing.

This makes no sense.  Centre halves are similar, full backs are similar, Tony Daley and Dwight Yorker were (too) similar.  Sign him as it's a squad game and taking the pressure off Jack and asking teams to concentrate on two tricky players allows more space for others.
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Post by: Olof's Beard on July 31, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
I have no issue with Buendia, i think he's a very good player, but I think him and Jack are too similar, I think a winger who gets in the box and scores goals (i.e. a better version of trez) is the most important signing.

Agree with this. If Jack stays, then we need pace on the other side. We may try to move Jack back inside but all his best games came from that wide left position, both he and we struggled with him in the centre for the most part. A quick, goalscoring winger (or two) is the biggest priority for me. If he can deputise at centre forward when needed too then all the better.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on July 31, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
I have no issue with Buendia, i think he's a very good player, but I think him and Jack are too similar, I think a winger who gets in the box and scores goals (i.e. a better version of trez) is the most important signing.

This makes no sense.  Centre halves are similar, full backs are similar, Tony Daley and Dwight Yorker were (too) similar.  Sign him as it's a squad game and taking the pressure off Jack and asking teams to concentrate on two tricky players allows more space for others.

Have to agree. I think having Jack and Buendia (or similar) in the same team would see both of their goal tallies go up because the tactic of doubling up on Jack which some teams have used this season would just give Buendia more space (and vice versa).
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 07:01:40 PM
I have no issue with Buendia, i think he's a very good player, but I think him and Jack are too similar, I think a winger who gets in the box and scores goals (i.e. a better version of trez) is the most important signing.

This makes no sense.  Centre halves are similar, full backs are similar, Tony Daley and Dwight Yorker were (too) similar.  Sign him as it's a squad game and taking the pressure off Jack and asking teams to concentrate on two tricky players allows more space for others.

Have to agree. I think having Jack and Buendia (or similar) in the same team would see both of their goal tallies go up because the tactic of doubling up on Jack which some teams have used this season would just give Buendia more space (and vice versa).

We play with 1 striker, if both of our wide players are play makers coming deep to get the ball then that striker will be isolated, just like they have been this season. A winger with pace who's looking to get into the box regularly remedies that without us needing to change our shape massively. I'd take Buendia if Jack goes or as the 4th or 5th signing of the summer when other key problems have been fixed but he's not a priority for me.
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Post by: Newby on July 31, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
It totally depends on the type of striker we have Paul.  Someone quick and who's movement is really good.  Let the opposition worry about us, push the full backs further forward, play with pace and power.  Have runners coming from everywhere.  That's why Sheffield United have been so good this season, well, that and their hard work.
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 07:39:23 PM
It totally depends on the type of striker we have Paul.  Someone quick and who's movement is really good.  Let the opposition worry about us, push the full backs further forward, play with pace and power.  Have runners coming from everywhere.  That's why Sheffield United have been so good this season, well, that and their hard work.

I agree with the first bit, which is why I'd like the other signings first. Longer term I agree with the rest but I don't think we can shift into that sort of team in the short time from now until next season starts so I'd rather we build on what we can do which is to press high and counter-attack.
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Post by: garyellis on July 31, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
It totally depends on the type of striker we have Paul.  Someone quick and who's movement is really good.  Let the opposition worry about us, push the full backs further forward, play with pace and power.  Have runners coming from everywhere.  That's why Sheffield United have been so good this season, well, that and their hard work.

I agree with the first bit, which is why I'd like the other signings first. Longer term I agree with the rest but I don't think we can shift into that sort of team in the short time from now until next season starts so I'd rather we build on what we can do which is to press high and counter-attack.
I am not disagreeing with your overall point of view. But if the budget is available the order players arrive in matters not.
It also makes sense to have someone in for a season who can take up the gap when Barcelona eventually (next season) come in for Jack 👍
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2020, 09:14:03 PM
It totally depends on the type of striker we have Paul.  Someone quick and who's movement is really good.  Let the opposition worry about us, push the full backs further forward, play with pace and power.  Have runners coming from everywhere.  That's why Sheffield United have been so good this season, well, that and their hard work.

I agree with the first bit, which is why I'd like the other signings first. Longer term I agree with the rest but I don't think we can shift into that sort of team in the short time from now until next season starts so I'd rather we build on what we can do which is to press high and counter-attack.
I am not disagreeing with your overall point of view. But if the budget is available the order players arrive in matters not.
It also makes sense to have someone in for a season who can take up the gap when Barcelona eventually (next season) come in for Jack 👍

I generally agree but this summer we really need someone who can run in behind teams and stop them coming too high up the pitch (if for no other reason than it creates gaps for players like Grealish and Buendia to work in). Last season we created a good amount of chances but what I don't remember seeing much of was genuine 1-on-1 chances. there were a handful but nothing like enough because we don't have anyone making those sort of runs on a regular basis. I think that's why you get people like Souness saying Jack holds onto the ball too long, it's because he doesn't get enough chances to play those killer passes through the defence.
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Post by: robleflaneur on July 31, 2020, 09:16:42 PM
It totally depends on the type of striker we have Paul.  Someone quick and who's movement is really good.  Let the opposition worry about us, push the full backs further forward, play with pace and power.  Have runners coming from everywhere.  That's why Sheffield United have been so good this season, well, that and their hard work.
I agree with both  the need for  a second goalscorer, who comes in from wide to attack the box and above all to play with pace and power.Teams until lockdown were often  overpowering  us physically.A midfielder with those physical attributes  is essential for us.Buendia,fine player that he is, would only make the midfield even flimsier and he doesn't score enough to fit the second goalscorer role.Back up for Jack ok,so he would be a low priority for me,unless Jack goes.
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Post by: themossman on July 31, 2020, 09:22:19 PM
I feel like weíve always had a small team, especially midfield.

OíNeill liked big players didnít he
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
Petrov, NRC, Ash, Milner are all under 6ft. Gaz Baz was a player he inherited and heís just over 6.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
O'Neill had a habit of not bothering picking Fullbacks and playing CBs or Midfielders in those positions.

So Mellberg, Cuellar or Craig Gardner at RB for example.

Definitely felt like we were a physically bigger team under MON.

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Post by: robleflaneur on July 31, 2020, 11:15:44 PM
It's not the size of the midfield but their lack of pace  and how poor they were at tracking runners,probably Grealish's only weakness..Hourihane is the prime example,great at set pieces,good shot ,seemingly ideal for a no.10 but his movement is woeful.Early in the season Luiz wasn't offering the protection that he did later.Nakamba is just technically poor,he creates danger when in possession, for us.
McGinn is the ideal role model and unfortunately sustained injuries and never fully recovered .A midfielder who offers protection to the back four ,allowing Luiz to attack or a box to box midfielder would be invaluable.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2020, 11:26:29 PM
O'Neill had a habit of not bothering picking Fullbacks and playing CBs or Midfielders in those positions.

So Mellberg, Cuellar or Craig Gardner at RB for example.

Definitely felt like we were a physically bigger team under MON.



Milner, NRC too.

75 minutes, Sidwell on, right back off, NRC to right back.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2020, 12:12:36 AM
It's not the size of the midfield but their lack of pace  and how poor they were at tracking runners,probably Grealish's only weakness..Hourihane is the prime example,great at set pieces,good shot ,seemingly ideal for a no.10 but his movement is woeful.Early in the season Luiz wasn't offering the protection that he did later.Nakamba is just technically poor,he creates danger when in possession, for us.
McGinn is the ideal role model and unfortunately sustained injuries and never fully recovered .A midfielder who offers protection to the back four ,allowing Luiz to attack or a box to box midfielder would be invaluable.

Luiz in front of the back 4 lets us counter really well because his use of the ball is so good, and he is a natural leader. Keep hold of him next season and a proper, quality box to box midfielder is where I would be looking, with some physicality. Sheffield United bought that big Norwegian in Jan for a similar role and hes show flashes but is just settling down. Someone like Dacoure at Watford would be a decent shout in there. Whoever it is needs the engine to do both sides of the game.

Buendia being linked I am ok with, hes a bit like a right sided Jack, and would be a good signing, as long as we get a fairly pacey striker with good movement AND another winger with genuine pace. If it was just 2 wingers, a top centre mid and a really good striker this window I would be pretty content that we are going to improve significantly on last too. Might need to replace Engels if he goes, and certainly need to get Nyland and Kalinic out and bring back Reina as number 2 keeper but that i more minor surgery than the other areas.

Someone made a great point earlier too, we need 3 forward players, and another midfielder just to give us options that can affect games from the bench now it has become a 16 man game next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Monty on August 01, 2020, 12:33:53 AM
Honestly I think the main problem with the midfield is the inadequate attack. Luiz, McGinn and Jack form a really formidable trio, but without options to pass to opponents know they just need to sit in and wait for us to get desperate. We can't really on our midfield to defend, create and score - better attackers and we can ease the burden on them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2020, 01:18:08 AM
Jackís creativity based stats in a better side yields him close to Kevin DeBruyne type assist numbers. We find forwards and wingers who can move into threatening areas in the penalty area; players like Jack or Luiz will find them. We are either static or too spread out and thus we rarely in key scoring positions, nor do we get enough shots away.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ben.H on August 01, 2020, 08:08:41 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2020, 08:42:05 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2020, 08:46:13 AM
I think the JG / Buendia discussion is an interesting one. I could see both players in the same side, alternating being wide and being central. As pointed out above, it would give opponents much more to think about.
The key to its success would be both a mobile, quick CF and a good out-and-out winger to come on to change the point of attack. It would also need an upgraded MF to support Luiz and McGinn.
In this scenario I think we'd get away with not enhancing our CB players but would still need another LB to give Targett competition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2020, 09:38:51 AM
I think the JG / Buendia discussion is an interesting one. I could see both players in the same side, alternating being wide and being central. As pointed out above, it would give opponents much more to think about.
The key to its success would be both a mobile, quick CF and a good out-and-out winger to come on to change the point of attack. It would also need an upgraded MF to support Luiz and McGinn.
In this scenario I think we'd get away with not enhancing our CB players but would still need another LB to give Targett competition.

I think he and Jack would be fine in the same side, both work hard for "flair" players, but like you say, that industrious box to box midfielder, a much faster, athletic pacey winger option and a fast, powerful striker to go with them would be needed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 01, 2020, 09:40:38 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.

Just replace 'xxxx' with the name of the paper.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: kipeye on August 01, 2020, 09:59:38 AM
I would like us to add Pukki to Buendia. He looked great early on and would fit our style.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2020, 10:19:07 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.

Just replace 'xxxx' with the name of the paper.
Okay, I'll level with you - don't want  have that site on my search history!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: nigel on August 01, 2020, 10:20:17 AM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.

I donít know why people do this, Mr E, why canít they just put the proper link?  ::)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 01, 2020, 10:39:01 AM
H&V word filter. Copy the link, change the xxxx to birmingham mail instead, but without the space.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Newby on August 01, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
E&S interview with Dean Smith available on Newsnow this morning.  Dean stating that he still wants players with Premier Division experience to add to the squad.  Speculation that we want 5 new players although no suggested players.  With the players now a year experienced, I would have thought that we might mix the experience up a bit and hopefully still pull a quality rabbit from the hat from Spain or Holland etc. If we are only going for Prem experience, it may cost us more. Also rules out players from the Championship like Benrahma, Watkins and Swift?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: robleflaneur on August 01, 2020, 10:50:25 AM
I would like us to add Pukki to Buendia. He looked great early on and would fit our style.
His goalscoring record for Schalke and Celtic was not impressive,he's a  good Championship striker in a Norwich team that creates lots of chances.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
Yes we need a forward who can do a bit more than Pukki. He proved to be a limited player in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2020, 11:01:48 AM
E&S interview with Dean Smith available on Newsnow this morning.  Dean stating that he still wants players with Premier Division experience to add to the squad.  Speculation that we want 5 new players although no suggested players.  With the players now a year experienced, I would have thought that we might mix the experience up a bit and hopefully still pull a quality rabbit from the hat from Spain or Holland etc. If we are only going for Prem experience, it may cost us more. Also rules out players from the Championship like Benrahma, Watkins and Swift?
I honestly think Watkins will emerge as a very good top level player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Border villan on August 01, 2020, 11:50:02 AM
Off topic I know. On the Pravda site, in the ďon this dayĒ, it talks about a 3-1 win in Europe many years ago with one goal scored by Ray Houghton. The accompanying picture has Steph Houghton in a Man City shirt, or have we signed her?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2020, 12:33:45 PM
Shakpoke anyone?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2020, 12:34:05 PM
Pukki - no thanks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ben.H on August 01, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.

I donít know why people do this, Mr E, why canít they just put the proper link?  ::)
Sorry, I didn't realise it would get filtered out.  try:

https://tinyurl.com/yyshvm94 (https://tinyurl.com/yyshvm94)
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130 (https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-abraham-buendia-18699130)

Hard to believe but this is actually a pretty decent analysis of the team last season from the Mail.
Well, that link doesn't work for me. Can you copy the text here, please.

I donít know why people do this, Mr E, why canít they just put the proper link?  ::)
Sorry, I didn't realise it would get filtered out.  try:

https://tinyurl.com/yyshvm94 (https://tinyurl.com/yyshvm94)
The starting 11 that the article ends with is pretty exciting to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2020, 01:06:14 PM
Reading anything on the Mail website is such an eye burner for all the other shit on there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: john2710 on August 01, 2020, 02:08:36 PM
Not sure about the Buendia links, unless it's as a contingency should Jack leave.
If he stays we need first choice;

Centre half to play alongside Mings
Right back
Defensive midfielder (allowing Luis to play further forward or as part of a 2 defensive midfield)
Winger - with pace
Centre forward - with pace & finishing

The last two are the priority.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 01, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Mostly agree John but surely left back is a bigger priority than right back and maybe another forward rather than a CB.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Arsey on August 01, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
Not sure about the Buendia links, unless it's as a contingency should Jack leave.
If he stays we need first choice;

Centre half to play alongside Mings
Right back
Defensive midfielder (allowing Luis to play further forward or as part of a 2 defensive midfield)
Winger - with pace
Centre forward - with pace & finishing

The last two are the priority.

If fit Targett is more than good enough imo (okay big if but he played a lot of games this season). I actually donít think Taylor did much wrong when he came in.

Konsa/Mings seemed to have formed a good partnership and we have Engels and Konsa in reserve.

If Grealish stays I think without question the priority is at least one Premiership standard winger, Sarr?

and then a decent striker

and then a decent midfielder


Edit - i meant to quote BV
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 01, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Having Konsa as a backup to Konsa is risky in my view.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2020, 02:53:37 PM
Mostly agree John but surely left back is a bigger priority than right back..

Absolutely. Neither Targett or Taylor are good enough. I see Everton have made an £18m bid for Real Madrid's Sergio Reguilůn. I would hope we'd also be interested.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 01, 2020, 03:28:00 PM
Having Konsa as a backup to Konsa is risky in my view.

I'd bet my house he meant the other one. I forget his name?
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
A cheeky 1 year loan bid for Ozil. He is persona non grata at Arsenal, and intends playing out his contract. Gives him game time and Arsenal would probably be grateful for a contribution towards his salary.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
Getting worried about the time its taking for signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 01, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
A cheeky 1 year loan bid for Ozil. He is persona non grata at Arsenal, and intends playing out his contract. Gives him game time and Arsenal would probably be grateful for a contribution towards his salary.

Has clearly got ability but disappears when it matters.

He can't be arsed to perform for the team that owns him so what would his attitude be if he was on loan?

We want players who are hungry to succeed. Wouldn't touch Ozil with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 01, 2020, 04:26:55 PM
Getting worried about the time its taking for signings.

This is tongue in cheek, yes? Just checking...
Title: Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2020, 04:32:32 PM
no I agree, glaciers move at a quicker pace. Sort it out Villa.