Quote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
Quote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
The decades I've spent at Villa Park with good and not so good managers not once did it even occur to me to stay away because I didn't like the manager.
Quote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!Bolton dropped after he left them as he had got them punching above his weight.They didn't look too bad when they beat us in the League Cup semi one year.
Quote from: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 01:40:12 PMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!Bolton dropped after he left them as he had got them punching above his weight.They didn't look too bad when they beat us in the League Cup semi one year.Bolton, Newcastle, Sunderland and Blackburn all get relegated after he left but none of them went down while he was in charge. Which suggests he got more out of those limited teams than his successors did.
Quote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining. They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Quote from: LeeB on March 15, 2020, 10:54:05 AMQuote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining. They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch. Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 15, 2020, 11:21:32 AMQuote from: LeeB on March 15, 2020, 10:54:05 AMQuote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining. They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch. Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant. I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality. Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 11:42:45 AMQuote from: Chris Smith on March 15, 2020, 11:21:32 AMQuote from: LeeB on March 15, 2020, 10:54:05 AMQuote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining. They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch. Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant. I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality. Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.Cynical is the word that comes to mind and despite the players you mention the long throw and continuous time wasting are the enduring memories most will have of that side.
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 15, 2020, 12:34:51 PMQuote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 11:42:45 AMQuote from: Chris Smith on March 15, 2020, 11:21:32 AMQuote from: LeeB on March 15, 2020, 10:54:05 AMQuote from: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:31:12 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 01:35:04 PMQuote from: Damo70 on March 14, 2020, 11:43:29 AMQuote from: Allan C on March 14, 2020, 09:57:36 AMI despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in chargeIn what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining. They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch. Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant. I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality. Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.Cynical is the word that comes to mind and despite the players you mention the long throw and continuous time wasting are the enduring memories most will have of that side.Exactly let’s not try to change history to justify this man being advocated as our manager