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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: chrisw1 on March 10, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
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I've started a new thread as any sensible suggestions tend to get lost in pages and pages of people saying Smith is shit.
For me, I'd probably stick with Smith as I'm hopeful that if he doesn't keep us up he'd have a pretty good chance of getting us back up next season IF the recruitment is right. I'd take a serious look at whether Suso is right for us as I think his selections has given our head coach an almost impossible task. I'd also be looking for a new defensive coach.
But for those who definitely want Smith out - assuming it won't happen until the summer - who would you realistically like to take over?
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I think they will stick with Smith to save face, seeing as he got a new contract only a few months ago.
I'd sack him, since the last 4/5 months have been continual defeats and increasing poor performances. As for a replacement, I don't know, but we need to start aiming for managers with better track records and aim a little higher than we have done. If the sky's the limit then Brentford managers can't be the limit of our ambition.
It reminds me of having all of Lerner's fortune at our hands and coming up holding Marlon Harewood and Zat Knight from a transfer window. Take it serious, show intent and stop fucking around.
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
There's a bit of a gap between those two but it absolutely must be someone of at least Benitez's level. No more has beens, never was-es, or shots in the dark.
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If we are serious about being a big club then Poch.
It looks like Manure Chelsea Citeh Arse 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and even Everton will keep their incumbents.
But we now look like too big a risk, it might have been possible in December though.
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If we are serious about being a big club then Poch.
It looks like Manure Chelsea Citeh Arse 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and even Everton will keep their incumbents.
But we now look like too big a risk, it might have been possible in December though.
Thing is I heard it would take 4 years in the PL until FFP would allow us to pay similar wages to teams in the bottom half of the league. I just can't see Poch taking on that sort of project when FFP ties our hands for so long. But if we could get someone like him then I'd move pretty quickly to Smith out!
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It depends where we are when Smith goes. I've just put this list in the Smith Out thread...
Out of work managers and their last club......
Valverde - Barcelona
Pochettino - Spurs
Kovac - Bayern
Fernandez - PSG
Allegri - Juventus
Emery - Arsenal
Spalletti - Inter
Giampaolo - AC Milan
Silva - Everton
Blanc - PSG
Allardyce - Everton
Pellegrini - West Ham
Hughes - Southampton
Gracia - Watford
Flores - Watford
Hughton - Brighton
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It depends where we are when Smith goes. I've just put this list in the Smith Out thread...
Out of work managers and their last club......
Valverde - Barcelona
Pochettino - Spurs
Kovac - Bayern
Fernandez - PSG
Allegri - Juventus
Emery - Arsenal
Spalletti - Inter
Giampaolo - AC Milan
Silva - Everton
Blanc - PSG
Allardyce - Everton
Pellegrini - West Ham
Hughes - Southampton
Gracia - Watford
Flores - Watford
Hughton - Brighton
Which would you like Drummond? Assuming we go down.
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
There's a bit of a gap between those two but it absolutely must be someone of at least Benitez's level. No more has beens, never was-es, or shots in the dark.
Benitez has Championship experience if/when the worst happens: he got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
There's a bit of a gap between those two but it absolutely must be someone of at least Benitez's level. No more has beens, never was-es, or shots in the dark.
Benitez has Championship experience if/when the worst happens: he got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking
I think a lot of people are attracted by Benitez's name. He plays the type of incredibly defensive football which if served up by an English manager would have many posters on here building the gallows in no time.
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
There's a bit of a gap between those two but it absolutely must be someone of at least Benitez's level. No more has beens, never was-es, or shots in the dark.
Benitez has Championship experience if/when the worst happens: he got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking
I think a lot of people are attracted by Benitez's name. He plays the type of incredibly defensive football which if served up by an English manager would have many posters on here building the gallows in no time.
A lot of people were attracted by Dean Smith being a Villa fan.
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If we are serious about being a big club then Poch.
It looks like Manure Chelsea Citeh Arse 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and even Everton will keep their incumbents.
But we now look like too big a risk, it might have been possible in December though.
Thing is I heard it would take 4 years in the PL until FFP would allow us to pay similar wages to teams in the bottom half of the league. I just can't see Poch taking on that sort of project when FFP ties our hands for so long. But if we could get someone like him then I'd move pretty quickly to Smith out!
4 years, then we may as well accept our lot back in the Championship.
One thing we had was 3 top players and a very good goalkeeper, a transfer window and some money in the kittie.
Now we have a spent manager and a bunch of players looking for their next move.
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It depends where we are when Smith goes. I've just put this list in the Smith Out thread...
Out of work managers and their last club......
Valverde - Barcelona
Pochettino - Spurs
Kovac - Bayern
Fernandez - PSG
Allegri - Juventus
Emery - Arsenal
Spalletti - Inter
Giampaolo - AC Milan
Silva - Everton
Blanc - PSG
Allardyce - Everton
Pellegrini - West Ham
Hughes - Southampton
Gracia - Watford
Flores - Watford
Hughton - Brighton
Which would you like Drummond? Assuming we go down.
I'd stick with Smith to be honest. But, if he goes, and in some respects that wouldn't surprise me if we carry on as we have been, then from that list we'd need to be looking lower down. I'd consider Hughton or Silva because I think their styles of play are more in line with what we'd like to see on the pitch. I don't think the ones I'd like would be attainable. Pochettino would be first choice but why would he take a drop into the second tier when the elite clubs would be after him?
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FFS, forget style of play. If we go down we are back to square one and bye-bye McGinn and Grealish.
Get in somebody to keep us up. Big Sam is the man.
We can always bin him in the summer and go for the long-term (competent option). You know, act like a big club again and be ruthless about our own selfish interests?
If we want to progress staying up is the most important thing. Look at Southampton and Adkins.
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FFS, forget style of play. If we go down we are back to square one and bye-bye McGinn and Grealish.
Get in somebody to keep us up. Big Sam is the man.
We can always bin him in the summer and go for the long-term (competent option). You know, act like a big club again and be ruthless about our own selfish interests?
If we want to progress staying up is the most important thing. Look at Southampton and Adkins.
He's not managed for two years.
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Smith hasn't resembled somebody who has been at the coal face for the last two years for some time.
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We have to look to someone like Pochechino or maybe Rafa Benitez, with the owners we have we have to aim big, I think they’ll try and save face and stick with Smith but surely he has to give them something before the end of this season. If we finish with less than 32 points it could get very nasty.
There's a bit of a gap between those two but it absolutely must be someone of at least Benitez's level. No more has beens, never was-es, or shots in the dark.
Benitez has Championship experience if/when the worst happens: he got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking
I think a lot of people are attracted by Benitez's name. He plays the type of incredibly defensive football which if served up by an English manager would have many posters on here building the gallows in no time.
A lot of people were attracted by Dean Smith being a Villa fan.
You keep coming up with clever quips but no answers. Which of those will come, get us up next season and kick on from there? Most either wouldn't touch us or have already failed in far less difficult circumstances. And then there's Hughton and Allardyce.
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You keep coming up with clever quips but no answers. Which of those will come, get us up next season and kick on from there? Most either wouldn't touch us or have already failed in far less difficult circumstances. And then there's Hughton and Allardyce.
Look, if you think Dean Smith is the best manager this club can hope to get under current circumstances then that's your business. Our league position indicates the weakness of that position, but again that's your business. What you're doing is starting with Dean Smith as your answer and the working back from there, ruling out anyone and everyone. Why will Smith gets us up next season and kick on from there? I've seen nothing whatsoever this season to suggest that he will. I genuinely can't see any reason why anyone would think Dean Smith is the best or only man for the job.
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Leicester showed the way to go last season.
They'd lost 4-1 at home to Palace, it was start of March and they were 12th in the table with 32 points from 27 games (so not a million miles better than what we are now.
They went out and got Brendan Rodgers who was actually in work at the time.
He has his flaws but achieved lots in his managerial career and obviously does great work on the training ground given how well they play when everyone is fit.
It would be good to get a top level manager in his actual prime one season (Houllier was semi retired when he turned up). We used to do it no problem with Saunders, Taylor, Big Ron, Brian Little, O'Leary and O'Neill and we achieved good things under five of them.
There's plenty of decent ones out of work but obviously easier to attract them as a premier league club rather than stuck in the championship.
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You keep coming up with clever quips but no answers. Which of those will come, get us up next season and kick on from there? Most either wouldn't touch us or have already failed in far less difficult circumstances. And then there's Hughton and Allardyce.
Look, if you think Dean Smith is the best manager this club can hope to get under current circumstances then that's your business. Our league position indicates the weakness of that position, but again that's your business. What you're doing is starting with Dean Smith as your answer and the working back from there, ruling out anyone and everyone. Why will Smith gets us up next season and kick on from there? I've seen nothing whatsoever this season to suggest that he will. I genuinely can't see any reason why anyone would think Dean Smith is the best or only man for the job.
He did it 9 months ago.
He knows the squad and what they are or aren't capable of. It doesn't necessarily make him the only or even the best, but it gives him a pretty good base point.
Another manager has to start all over again.
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Supposing we stick with Smith and supposing he gets us back up next season, what happens then? Does he get another free pass for the following season as a reward? I think we've established he isn't a premier league manager.
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You keep coming up with clever quips but no answers. Which of those will come, get us up next season and kick on from there? Most either wouldn't touch us or have already failed in far less difficult circumstances. And then there's Hughton and Allardyce.
Look, if you think Dean Smith is the best manager this club can hope to get under current circumstances then that's your business. Our league position indicates the weakness of that position, but again that's your business. What you're doing is starting with Dean Smith as your answer and the working back from there, ruling out anyone and everyone. Why will Smith gets us up next season and kick on from there? I've seen nothing whatsoever this season to suggest that he will. I genuinely can't see any reason why anyone would think Dean Smith is the best or only man for the job.
He did it 9 months ago.
He knows the squad and what they are or aren't capable of. It doesn't necessarily make him the only or even the best, but it gives him a pretty good base point.
Another manager has to start all over again.
Yes he got us up, and he'll always get credit for that from me, but he has not kicked us on. On the contrary, with the remaining fixtures we have and with our current form, you have to suspect he'll take us back down. Then, probably shorn of his three best players, he's going to find it harder to get us promoted next time. If and when we do get back up will he kick us on? I don't think so. He's shown his limitations massively this year. I have no problem at all with a better manager starting all over again.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
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I really don't see how a combination of Sir Brian and Ian Taylor could do any worse for the remainder of the season.
At least we might see some effort and, possibly, even something remotely resembling football.
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He knows the squad and what they are or aren't capable of. It doesn't necessarily make him the only or even the best, but it gives him a pretty good base point.
Another manager has to start all over again.
I know what they're not capable of: keeping possession, defending from set pieces, passing to a team mate, and winning games. Getting somebody in who can do something about it rather than spotting the problems would be a big improvement. Smith will sink back into relative obscurity once his brief charade as a Premier League standard manager is over, and my guess is he'll be much the happier for it.
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Yes he got us up, and he'll always get credit for that from me, but he has not kicked us on. On the contrary, with the remaining fixtures we have and with our current form, you have to suspect he'll take us back down. Then, probably shorn of his three best players, he's going to find it harder to get us promoted next time. If and when we do get back up will he kick us on? I don't think so. He's shown his limitations massively this year. I have no problem at all with a better manager starting all over again.
I understand theta view. And you may be right. I think we'd be in a better position (playing-wise) if we'd not gone up last summer as I think Smith would have had time to spend with the squad. Though we'll obviously never know. Though financially we may well have been in a real pickle.
I think it was Newcastle that springs to mind as a club who went down having been dreadful and then got promoted with largely the same squad. I think we'd do similar next season (and again, I understand why people would think it unlikely).
He has shown some limitations, but he's still young and learning, he's not had the best hand dealt to him but there would be no excuses next season.
It may be harder to get us promoted again, and I'd like to give him a chance.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
We do, and it's got to stop.
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I know what they're not capable of: keeping possession, defending from set pieces, passing to a team mate, and winning games. Getting somebody in who can do something about it rather than spotting the problems would be a big improvement. Smith will sink back into relative obscurity once his brief charade as a Premier League standard manager is over, and my guess is he'll be much the happier for it.
I agree with the last sentence, harsh as it is. If we are relegated this season I'm afraid he won't manage in the Premier League again.
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We probably need 14 points possibly less. That's not a significant bounce, but st the moment beating say Newcastle, Palace, Arsenal, West Ham looks way beyond us.
Beating any of them looks beyond us. We have to stay up. Is Smith capable? As soon as that first goal in, the dial switched for me and its sadly no.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
True. It's frustrating that Everton were in trouble and got Ancelotti in and now they're safe whereas we stuck with Smith. I'm sure Everton were not much better off than us at the time.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
We do, and it's got to stop.
We never seem to want to do the hard work of courting the right man and convincing them that Villa is the right choice, I don't think we've done it since O'Neill really - we've always gone for the easy choice, the one at a smaller club whom we knew would jump at the chance of managing us, or else whoever was out of work and available at the time. You could even make an argument that MON fit the latter criteria.
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I really don't see how a combination of Sir Brian and Ian Taylor could do any worse for the remainder of the season.
At least we might see some effort and, possibly, even something remotely resembling football.
It's this sort of madness that makes me glad fans don't own our club.
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I really don't see how a combination of Sir Brian and Ian Taylor could do any worse for the remainder of the season.
At least we might see some effort and, possibly, even something remotely resembling football.
It's this sort of madness that makes me glad fans don't own our club.
On that I completely agree.
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That sort of madness is the reason we're in the shit.
Deane would have been gone a long time ago if he wasn't Villa.
The fans would have made sure of that
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
True. It's frustrating that Everton were in trouble and got Ancelotti in and now they're safe whereas we stuck with Smith. I'm sure Everton were not much better off than us at the time.
Other than their immeasurably stronger squad and far bigger resources (FFP wise) you mean?
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Anyone who thinks we'll get Pochettino is delusional.
I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
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I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Was he the one who got the sack so Henry could come in?
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Shame his name is not Jardin. What a bilingual punfest we could cultivate.
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Shame his name is not Jardin. What a bilingual punfest we could cultivate.
They do say the grass is greener.
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Shame his name is not Jardin. What a bilingual punfest we could cultivate.
We still can, minha flor.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
We do, and it's got to stop.
We never seem to want to do the hard work of courting the right man and convincing them that Villa is the right choice, I don't think we've done it since O'Neill really - we've always gone for the easy choice, the one at a smaller club whom we knew would jump at the chance of managing us, or else whoever was out of work and available at the time. You could even make an argument that MON fit the latter criteria.
Getting MON was quite a coup at the time after his spells at Leicester and Celtic. The only reason he was available was because he took a year off to look after his wife who I think was battling cancer at the time.
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Smith is going nowhere.
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Smith is going nowhere.
I’d agree with this as it appears Purslow and the owners have hitched their wagons to his train. However, if we do go down I’d be amazed if we’re not top 2 pretty much immediately at the start of next season then he’ll be gone pretty quickly, assuming of course we don’t have a disastrous end to this season and they pot him in the summer.
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Smith is going nowhere.
Not many managers survive Premier League relegation, even if they have the credit of a promotion in the bank from the previous season. Rafa, Dyche and I think Bruce on one occasion with Small Heath spring to mind but not many more.
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When does the next manager poll start?
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MON was a huge coup in 2006. I remember coming home from work to the news at about 6.30pm (we had mobiles kids but no social media in those days!).
2006 is a long time ago. I think O'Leary in 2003 was also seen as a bit of a coup, he had a good reputation at that stage due to his Leeds team. We haven't made a bold move since we signed Darren Bent in 2011.
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Anyone who thinks we'll get Pochettino is delusional.
I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Why???? Let’s not bother trying to get a top quality manager then and go for the usual suspects Allardyce, Pulis, Adkins, etc etc etc
Pochettino?? Delusional
Anchellotti?? Not really a good coach (??)
Fat Frank?? No experience
If Smith is to go, we must TRY and attract a good footballing coach or we will be back where we are now in 2 years time or sooner
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
True. It's frustrating that Everton were in trouble and got Ancelotti in and now they're safe whereas we stuck with Smith. I'm sure Everton were not much better off than us at the time.
I think that's a bit unfair. Everton been established club in prem for years and spend 200m every summer seemingly so will be more attractive to a "big name." We're still trying to work our way up from first base.
The time to attract a big name manager in his prime was when we were regularly finishing 6th in the league and had plenty of international quality players in the squad. We couldn't and it's been a slippery slope downwards since.
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I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Was he the one who got the sack so Henry could come in?
Yes....and he came back to save them from relegation after Henry's abysmal tenure! Was unlucky to be sacked this season, Roberto Moreno not done much better.
Thinking about it since 2006 we could've had these managers if history had played out a little differently.....Jurgen Klinsmann (rumoured before we went for MON), Bob Bradley (linked in 2010), Solskjaer (we talked to him before settling for Lambert) Nigel Pearson and Henry!
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The time to attract a big name manager in his prime was when we were regularly finishing 6th in the league and had plenty of international quality players in the squad. We couldn't and it's been a slippery slope downwards since.
That's exactly right. If Smith starts badly next season and gets canned, it'll be a fuck's sight harder getting someone good in than it would have been if he'd got canned in December. As a club we make life so bloody difficult for ourselves.
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MON was a huge coup in 2006. I remember coming home from work to the news at about 6.30pm (we had mobiles kids but no social media in those days!).
2006 is a long time ago. I think O'Leary in 2003 was also seen as a bit of a coup, he had a good reputation at that stage due to his Leeds team. We haven't made a bold move since we signed Darren Bent in 2011.
I was really excited when we got O'Leary. Ultimately he was a big disappointment and very annoying. O'Neill being appointed was also big news, hundreds turned up at the ground to welcome him IIRC.
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Anyone who thinks we'll get Pochettino is delusional.
I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Why???? Let’s not bother trying to get a top quality manager then and go for the usual suspects Allardyce, Pulis, Adkins, etc etc etc
Pochettino?? Delusional
Anchellotti?? Not really a good coach (??)
Fat Frank?? No experience
If Smith is to go, we must TRY and attract a good footballing coach or we will be back where we are now in 2 years time or sooner
It's delusional as there is no prospect he would join us. Non whatsoever.
Hope this helps.
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Anyone who thinks we'll get Pochettino is delusional.
I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Why???? Let’s not bother trying to get a top quality manager then and go for the usual suspects Allardyce, Pulis, Adkins, etc etc etc
Pochettino?? Delusional
Anchellotti?? Not really a good coach (??)
Fat Frank?? No experience
If Smith is to go, we must TRY and attract a good footballing coach or we will be back where we are now in 2 years time or sooner
It's delusional as there is no prospect he would join us. Non whatsoever.
Hope this helps.
Your missing my point somewhat. I’m saying we should attempt to get his type of coach in rather than a bloody roll up yer sleeves type. If we think small, we will be small
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The last top drawer manager we got was Gerard Houllier but his health failed. Ever since then we have gone for safe pairs of hands with very bottom drawer intellects. The ones with a bit of brain - RDM, Remi Garde, lacked the mental steel required to perform in a city widely derided for no better reason than not being that London, Liverpool or Manchester.
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It's finding the better managers we seem to struggle with.
True. It's frustrating that Everton were in trouble and got Ancelotti in and now they're safe whereas we stuck with Smith. I'm sure Everton were not much better off than us at the time.
I think that's a bit unfair. Everton been established club in prem for years and spend 200m every summer seemingly so will be more attractive to a "big name." We're still trying to work our way up from first base.
The time to attract a big name manager in his prime was when we were regularly finishing 6th in the league and had plenty of international quality players in the squad. We couldn't and it's been a slippery slope downwards since.
I am not sure we couldn’t, we didn’t but we were being run by idiots.
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The last top drawer manager we got was Gerard Houllier but his health failed.
Which was easily foreseeable it has to be said.
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Anyone who thinks we'll get Pochettino is delusional.
I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Why???? Let’s not bother trying to get a top quality manager then and go for the usual suspects Allardyce, Pulis, Adkins, etc etc etc
Pochettino?? Delusional
Anchellotti?? Not really a good coach (??)
Fat Frank?? No experience
If Smith is to go, we must TRY and attract a good footballing coach or we will be back where we are now in 2 years time or sooner
It's delusional as there is no prospect he would join us. Non whatsoever.
Hope this helps.
Your missing my point somewhat. I’m saying we should attempt to get his type of coach in rather than a bloody roll up yer sleeves type. If we think small, we will be small
Wolves got Nuno whilst they were in the championship, we could attract a similar, largely unknown coach.
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It's how I'd expected season would go (relegation battle, 17th would be a massive achievement) so I'd not be ready to chuck Smith out this season, unless the dressing room's been lost beyond all hope or there's an absolutely astounding replacement lined up.
If we get relegated, I'd see if first SJM & Jack wanted hopefully to stay at Villa, and if not see if they'd be open to a 1 season loan to a PL club.
Dean Smith under no illusions that we hit the ground running, or he's gone. I'm fine with us not going from mid table in the championship to Premier League quality in 18 months, having lost most of the squad along the way. But having spent well over £100m on players, you'd expect to be up to a level where automatic promotion after 30 months in charge would be a given. 2021/22 would then be a case of staying up comfortably or he's off.
He has almost a free pass from me this season (just don't finish bottom), but that comes at the price of being clearly too good for the Championship if we go down.
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Wolves got Nuno whilst they were in the championship, we could attract a similar, largely unknown coach.
Indeed they did and yes we could, but we've got to spot them first and we haven't been much good at that in recent times.
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The time to attract a big name manager in his prime was when we were regularly finishing 6th in the league and had plenty of international quality players in the squad. We couldn't and it's been a slippery slope downwards since.
That's exactly right. If Smith starts badly next season and gets canned, it'll be a fuck's sight harder getting someone good in than it would have been if he'd got canned in December. As a club we make life so bloody difficult for ourselves.
The bit in bold: ain't that the truth.
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It's the Villa way.
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I'd try for Leonardo Jardim. Did a great job at Monaco first time round and has a reputaion for improving players.
Was he the one who got the sack so Henry could come in?
Yep. Then took over again when Henry got the elbow. Then got sacked again, mind you. Still out of work though.
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Mourinho might be available in time for Saturday.
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Fat Sam for a 10 game rescue mission. Mission shithousary. I'll give him daily footrubs if he keeps us up. I'd sell my soul to the football anti-christ to stay up. He doesn't do relegation and he'll knock some sense into our CH's. He'll also, I dunno, do something drastically simple like having our best header marking the oppositions biggest aeriel threats during set pieces.
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The last top drawer manager we got was Gerard Houllier but his health failed. Ever since then we have gone for safe pairs of hands with very bottom drawer intellects. The ones with a bit of brain - RDM, Remi Garde, lacked the mental steel required to perform in a city widely derided for no better reason than not being that London, Liverpool or Manchester.
Houllier wasn't top drawer when we appointed him though. He last managed in May 2007 when he left Lyon and he was doing some part time work with Fifa/French FA which is why he couldn't start when we announced him and had McDonald in charge for two more games v Stoke and Bolton.
It was all very small time for a top 6 premier league club.
Appointing him was like signing Pires, Drinkwater or Ginola, way past their best on the pitch or for a similar manager Sven Goran Eriksson who reminded the world he was still around the other night.....
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Villa about to be discussed on the Debate. Danny Murphy is a ******. He's on with Curtis Davies.
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Villa about to be discussed on the Debate. Danny Murphy is a c***. He's on with Curtis Davies.
They said what a lot of us are saying and have been for some time.
Why the heck can we not try and grind out a few draws. We are too open. We should have been making ourselves harder to beat. 3 or 4 extra points from draws would make a huge difference. If we had that right now we could, in theory, draw our way to safety.
For me, this is Smith's biggest failure. We threw away 3 or 4 draws that I can think of: Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Bournmouth.
Also, the return of that old dreaded enemy- 'the villa collapse' from a winning position- has been the worst thing about this bloody season.
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MON was a huge coup in 2006. I remember coming home from work to the news at about 6.30pm (we had mobiles kids but no social media in those days!).
2006 is a long time ago. I think O'Leary in 2003 was also seen as a bit of a coup, he had a good reputation at that stage due to his Leeds team. We haven't made a bold move since we signed Darren Bent in 2011.
I was really excited when we got O'Leary. Ultimately he was a big disappointment and very annoying. O'Neill being appointed was also big news, hundreds turned up at the ground to welcome him IIRC.
O'Leary was classed as a good appointment after doing a good job at Leeds. I think he only signed Sorensen and McCann for £2.5 million each in his first close season and we finished sixth, ten places higher than the previous year and got to a semi final. He did a really good job in his first season but then it all seemed to unravel after that and he seemed to have lost the plot, the dressing room and the fans.
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MON was a huge coup in 2006. I remember coming home from work to the news at about 6.30pm (we had mobiles kids but no social media in those days!).
2006 is a long time ago. I think O'Leary in 2003 was also seen as a bit of a coup, he had a good reputation at that stage due to his Leeds team. We haven't made a bold move since we signed Darren Bent in 2011.
I was really excited when we got O'Leary. Ultimately he was a big disappointment and very annoying. O'Neill being appointed was also big news, hundreds turned up at the ground to welcome him IIRC.
O'Leary was classed as a good appointment after doing a good job at Leeds. I think he only signed Sorensen and McCann for £2.5 million each in his first close season and we finished sixth, ten places higher than the previous year and got to a semi final. He did a really good job in his first season but then it all seemed to unravel after that and he seemed to have lost the plot, the dressing room and the fans.
He was the opposite of a chequebook manager, who thought himself handy with a chequebook.
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Go large for Bielsa.
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Go large for Bielsa.
Do you seriously think that's realistic when Leeds are more liklely to be in the PL than us next year?
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Go large for Bielsa.
Bit early for the Buckfast isn't it old chap?
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
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My Bielsa post was obviously tongue in cheek - and at the moment, as far as Villa are concerned, it's never too early for a large glass of something.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Sam until the end of the season with the option of staying if we stay up (I think that's what you mean).
Losing 3-0, 4-0 & 6-1 is pretty boring as well. I'm more than happy to watch us "bore" our way through - However, winning games would not bore me. At this point, just staying in them would be good (and a novelty).
Sam gets my nod regardless of Saturday's result.
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I would consider him until the end of the season. He might be the man to keep us up, or at least stop us looking terrified every time the opposition get a corner. He isn't the man to take us to where we want to be, long-term.
Whether he would be willing to take a deal until the end of the season with no chance of an extension, I've no idea.
Honestly though, I reckon it is either going to be Smith or Terry until the end of the year. That's why I'm hoping against hope that Smith survives and does just enough to keep us up... then we can have a better selection of managers to choose from in the summer.
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I honestly don't think any manager would be able to turn this ship around in ten games. That said, i do wish we'd play two up front, regardless of who's picking the team.
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I honestly don't think any manager would be able to turn this ship around in ten games. That said, i do wish we'd play two up front, regardless of who's picking the team.
New manager bounce alone could buy us 2 wins - We only need 4.
It's a big ask given the immediate fixtures but a chance is better than no chance.
Smith has also shown he is a bit out of his depth at PL level so if and when we return, we wouldn't want Smith in charge so the sooner we sever ties, the better.
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I honestly don't think any manager would be able to turn this ship around in ten games. That said, i do wish we'd play two up front, regardless of who's picking the team.
A new manager should be able to get us better organised for set pieces than has been the case. Draw the remaining games and we probably stay up.
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Go large for Poch or Rafa. If neither are available then stick with Deano.
People may laugh at Poch but if Ancelotti can go to Everton then anything is possible!!
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As an outside the box shout, I've been very impressed with Daniel Farke for a couple of years now - I wonder how he'd have fared with the budget we had?
Short term, it's get to the summer intact and that would mean Big Sam for me. I wouldn't be adverse to him the following season either, if it meant stability in the Prem. 2 seasons in, as a more established club, we could then look at bringing the next bloke in for the next phase.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
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Go large for Poch or Rafa. If neither are available then stick with Deano.
People may laugh at Poch but if Ancelotti can go to Everton then anything is possible!!
I'll have a pint of what you're on.
Poch is a shoo in for the manu job in the summer when his £12 million exclusion order expires.
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Just can't see them going for Allardyce - even if I wouldn't be dead set against the move personally.
Rescue mission this year, then grind wor way to 11-12 victories next year and stay up with relative comfort. Then let a more progressive manager have a crack with a (somewhat) stable top flight side.
I think they'll opt for Terry as manager/head coach with a more experienced no 2 coming in alongside him. Possibly the former Chelsea and Man U assistant who was linked with the job back in 2018 (name escapes me).
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I think they'll opt for Terry as manager/head coach with a more experienced no 2 coming in alongside him.
Eric Black?
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Please not John Terry, if Dean is binned.
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I'll take the job again.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
You think he'd leave Norwich for us with 10 games to go? I'd consider taking a punt on him next season though.
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Not a cat's chance in hell they are sacking Smith at this stage - its far too late for that. He should have been fired in January but once they stuck, they threw all their chips on the table. It hasn't worked.
Summer on the other hand - he goes and we start again, in the Championship, with a new manager - they need to show they can get this one right. With the money and potential, no reason it cannot be a big exciting name but it must be someone with proven top flight management experience. Smith was found out in a very very big way
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The Telegraph seem to suggest his number might be up.
I would relish any kind of change as we’re down as it stands - so nowt to lose.
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As an outside the box shout, I've been very impressed with Daniel Farke for a couple of years now - I wonder how he'd have fared with the budget we had?
Short term, it's get to the summer intact and that would mean Big Sam for me. I wouldn't be adverse to him the following season either, if it meant stability in the Prem. 2 seasons in, as a more established club, we could then look at bringing the next bloke in for the next phase.
Well impressed with Wagner too, before Huddersfield also failed on the 'quality' front.
Remember when he was the new Klopp.
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A hex on that cup run. A hex on Klopp for not putting a better side out to knock us out back then. It ended up being a waste and ultimately it'll be what puts us down because that cup final bought Smith time. I think had we gone earlier, he'd have been sacked in January, maybe December.
We're now at pretty much last chance saloon. 10 games (9, because Smith will still be here saturday) is too tall an order I think. If we're gonna get in a new manager, we need to do it immediately. But really, this should have been done 2 months ago, when it was quite clear Smith was out of his depth.
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Pretty much what I have been saying for some time. If we do go down the cost of Denos' day at Wembley will have come at some price.
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A hex on that cup run. A hex on Klopp for not putting a better side out to knock us out back then. It ended up being a waste and ultimately it'll be what puts us down because that cup final bought Smith time. I think had we gone earlier, he'd have been sacked in January, maybe December.
We're now at pretty much last chance saloon. 10 games (9, because Smith will still be here saturday) is too tall an order I think. If we're gonna get in a new manager, we need to do it immediately. But really, this should have been done 2 months ago, when it was quite clear Smith was out of his depth.
My sentiments exactly.
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Agree, I said it was an unwelcome distraction and so it proved.
The time was after Saints at home or Watford away though.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
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Pretty much what I have been saying for some time. If we do go down the cost of Denos' day at Wembley will have come at some price.
What do you mean by 'Deano' s Day' at Wembley?
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
That's not outside the box. The initial contact may be, but then he'd throw himself into the area and get given the penalty.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
He isn’t statistically the worst just because his team are bottom.
There aren’t any stand out targets that would come here. Allerdyce is short term.
He isn’t realistic at present any how so isn’t in the running. However, is probably the type we’d be looking at if we go down.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
I’d like that one day - but now ain’t the time.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Smith was the stand out people’s choice last time around and look at the state of play 18 months later. We’re playing with less heart than when remi garde was manager.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
Bad as we have been I’m not sure we’re playing with less heart than Garde’s Villa. Is that even possible? But that’s the hyperbole that comes with intense disappointment and I understand why you say it
If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Smith was the stand out people’s choice last time around and look at the state of play 18 months later. We’re playing with less heart than when remi garde was manager.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
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If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
In the sense that any change is a risk you're spot on but there are big risks and lesser risks. I think Farke would be a big risk.
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If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
In the sense that any change is a risk you're spot on but there are big risks and lesser risks. I think Farke would be a big risk.
Farke would only be a serious contender if we went down.
He is a Championship winner (unlike our previous Championship managers) and created a fantastic Norwich side. I'm not sure he'd be as big a risk as you think and if we carry on as we are, Norwich will finish above us as well.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Smith was the stand out people’s choice last time around and look at the state of play 18 months later. We’re playing with less heart than when remi garde was manager.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
Whatever the reasons for binning Smith now, 'the state of play 18 months later' is that we're in the division above where he started.
You can argue that he should have been sacked earlier, but you can't knock his appointment.
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Pretty much what I have been saying for some time. If we do go down the cost of Denos' day at Wembley will have come at some price.
What do you mean by 'Deano' s Day' at Wembley?
What? Is that some kind of insult? Should we have thrown the towel in? Maybe we won’t enter next year? I’m sure all who went or was on the road to Wembley had a bloody good time.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Smith was the stand out people’s choice last time around and look at the state of play 18 months later. We’re playing with less heart than when remi garde was manager.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
Whatever the reasons for binning Smith now, 'the state of play 18 months later' is that we're in the division above where he started.
You can argue that he should have been sacked earlier, but you can't knock his appointment.
I wasn't knocking his appointment - I was making the point at how quickly it turned pear shaped. Personally, I put the reason for us being a division higher as having Jack in the run in.
I'm sounding like I'm really anti-Smith, which I'm not - I've been a massive supporter up until very recently. However, the club are and always have been, bigger than any one person and I'm now in the camp of "time for change". I'm probably gutted more than most that it hasn't worked out for him.
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John Terry will be the next manager widely being reported
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Can we just go out and get the Atalanta manager and be done with it.
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John Terry will be the next manager widely being reported
Made up.
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If Terry had a part in the Drinkwater loan fiasco and there us more than an outside chance that he did, he will be on his bike before Smith is.
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John Terry is the new Terry Connor.
Avoid.
No point in that change. A bigger change will be needed.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
I agree. It would be just another 'close your eyes and pray' appointment.
If we go down, every appointment will be close your eyes and hope.
Smith was the stand out people’s choice last time around and look at the state of play 18 months later. We’re playing with less heart than when remi garde was manager.
Whoever we appoint will be a step into the unknown.
Whatever the reasons for binning Smith now, 'the state of play 18 months later' is that we're in the division above where he started.
You can argue that he should have been sacked earlier, but you can't knock his appointment.
I wasn't knocking his appointment - I was making the point at how quickly it turned pear shaped. Personally, I put the reason for us being a division higher as having Jack in the run in.
I'm sounding like I'm really anti-Smith, which I'm not - I've been a massive supporter up until very recently. However, the club are and always have been, bigger than any one person and I'm now in the camp of "time for change". I'm probably gutted more than most that it hasn't worked out for him.
I’m feeling the same about smith, I badly want him to succeed, but can’t see a way out for him at the moment. Monday was beyond any car crash and the fact that Southampton are generally on a worse run than us but beat us comfortably makes it even worse.
I think if we lose to Chelsea he’ll get the boot and as know one worth his salt will take the job for 9 games and they’ll probs want to make a longer term appointment in the summer, they’ll probably hand the reigns to Terry hoping for a Duncan Ferguson tub thumping type of impact. Personally I would love it (with keeganesque desperation) if we somehow won on Saturday and Dean managed to fight on to the end of the season, I know that’s not for everyone.
Looking back to last year, it wasn’t all down to jack. Even at the beginning of the run, after the Derby game, jack understandably after getting thumped wasn’t having a great game game at blues, McGinn coming on as sub after a 3 game ban changed that game, the game after forest away McGinn ran the show again and again the next game boro at home.
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I cannot for the life of me see how replacing Smith with Terry would work and would be amazed if they went with that.
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Terry Should go with Smith, he'll probably do well in the future, not here, its done, we need somebody in to kick ass, at least try and make a fist of it in the remaining games, who knows what might happen then, survival even at this late stage has been done before.
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Who?
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I'll probably get accused of being a Bluenose again but how about Steve Mclaren ? even if it's just to hear his Brummie Accent?
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As an outside the box shout, I've been very impressed with Daniel Farke for a couple of years now - I wonder how he'd have fared with the budget we had?
Short term, it's get to the summer intact and that would mean Big Sam for me. I wouldn't be adverse to him the following season either, if it meant stability in the Prem. 2 seasons in, as a more established club, we could then look at bringing the next bloke in for the next phase.
Well impressed with Wagner too, before Huddersfield also failed on the 'quality' front.
Remember when he was the new Klopp.
Done well with Schalke in the Bundesliga this season so he wasn't all hype.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
I’d like that one day - but now ain’t the time.
Despite his decent European results he is getting stick for Rangers league results. He is still unproven for me.
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It seems somewhat inevitable now that Terry will take over from Smith. Those stories in the media today aren't without foundation. I'd prefer it was done now rather than dragging it out for another game. The Suso character has to go too so those reports are positive.
Very much a Tim Sherwood type gamble but Sherwood then had the likes of Delph and Benteke to get performances out of. Really don't think we have the players this time but happy to be proved wrong.
Smith was a bit of a mug letting Terry on his coaching staff. I said it at the time that Terry's reputation as a player would have him as the heir apparent once Smith hit trouble. If Terry's responsibility extends to setting up the defence then it says little for his coaching skills.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
He isn’t statistically the worst just because his team are bottom.
There aren’t any stand out targets that would come here. Allerdyce is short term.
He isn’t realistic at present any how so isn’t in the running. However, is probably the type we’d be looking at if we go down.
Farke's team are bottom of the table, six points from safety and have the worst goal difference in the Premier League. So based on that I will stick by my claim that he is statistically the worst manager in the top flight currently.
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If Terry takes over I think I'll step up my interest in DIY*.
*Unless he turns out to be good at it, which won't happen.
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Terry is a ******. Has always been. The thought of him in charge would have me seething. Even more than the current level of disdain I hold for some of our play, lack of fight/tactics/energy etc etc.
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Hmmm, seems odd to replace an inexperienced head coach in the premier league, but experienced in charge of clubs, with an inexperienced coach, who has had only one coaching role. If Dean goes we need someone who has experience of a relegation fight.
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Duncan Ferguson?
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I only said Terry as I think that’s what will happen, I don’t want it to happen. I’d rather Monday was the low point amongst lots of low points and smith somehow won through, as unlikely as that seems now. Without being critical of anyone on here, some of the suggestions like Farke (really?), Ferguson ??), Wagner (why would he if he’s doing well at shalke) etc, show how difficult it’s going to be replacing a manager with 9 games to go, with (a) someone to keep us up and (b) someone to take us on next season. People have said fat sam, but he’s not going to take it to be binned off in the summer, and personally (and I don’t like him to be fair) I don’t think he’s the man to carry villa forwards. So to me if they do sack Deano, which will be a sad day imo, the only option they will take is Terry, hope that some rabble rousing, ‘get into them f##k em up’ type malarkey will somehow get us 3 or 4 wins and a draw and then look for a new direction of travel in the summer.
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Terry has been just as culpable this season as part of the coaching set-up, so it's a definite no from me.
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new manager bounce might get us three wins which could easily keep us up. We are not going to be able to recruit externally now for nine games so it would make sense to do it from within and conduct yet anther cathartic review in the summer.
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Farke is a great shout, however if we ended up with him I'd like a ban on that awful Farke Life song that they sing at Naaarich
How is Farke a great shout? I don't care if he had a far smaller summer transfer budget than Smith, it is crazy to suggest sacking statistically the second worst manager in the Premier League this season and replace him with the worst.
He isn’t statistically the worst just because his team are bottom.
There aren’t any stand out targets that would come here. Allerdyce is short term.
He isn’t realistic at present any how so isn’t in the running. However, is probably the type we’d be looking at if we go down.
Farke's team are bottom of the table, six points from safety and have the worst goal difference in the Premier League. So based on that I will stick by my claim that he is statistically the worst manager in the top flight currently.
So when we go down, does he become a great shout overnight because statistically he was the best manager in the Championship last season? Or do we sit around twiddling our thumbs waiting for the next Belisa to arrive?
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I'll probably get accused of being a Bluenose again but how about Steve Mclaren ? even if it's just to hear his Brummie Accent?
Get out of here - self-isolate ,perlease!!
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I'll probably get accused of being a Bluenose again but how about Steve Mclaren ? even if it's just to hear his Brummie Accent?
Get out of here - self-isolate ,perlease!!
😂😂 shexy futbol like!
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blimey there was a bit of Jawdie thrown in there too.
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If we stay up then Lucien Favre would be my ambitious pick. Will probably be let go by Dortmund but done good jobs at many clubs in Bundesliga or also at Nice. Sure Brian Green can put in a reference for him.
Whenver the end of the season actually is of course.
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Phil Neville about to become "available".
He has experience of managing a bunch of panicky ladies.
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I bet he has
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
Miles behind Neil Lennon's Celtic! Let that sink in
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I reckon Big Sam would accept an eighteen month to two year contract. I think he fancies a crack at managing us and clearly misses management. Plan A keep us up, plan B get us back up.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
Miles behind Neil Lennon's Celtic! Let that sink in
Second in a two horse race.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
Miles behind Neil Lennon's Celtic! Let that sink in
Second in a two horse race.
We hired McLeish who once came third in that two horse race!
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I reckon Big Sam would accept an eighteen month to two year contract. I think he fancies a crack at managing us and clearly misses management. Plan A keep us up, plan B get us back up.
I’d rather catch Coronavirus
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I reckon Big Sam would accept an eighteen month to two year contract. I think he fancies a crack at managing us and clearly misses management. Plan A keep us up, plan B get us back up.
You'd have BS in the Championship ahead of Farke? Strange.
I can see the argument for having him till the end of the season and even the season after if we stay up but absolutely no way should we be considering him if we're in the Championship. We don't have to sacrifice playing football in that league and once down, it would be time to start the rebuild, not continue with the quick fix.
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The only circumstances I would find Bsam acceptable is a 9 game contract.
Come in , try and keep us up, fuck off with a very large Cheque.
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The only circumstances I would find Bsam acceptable is a 9 game contract.
Come in , try and keep us up, fuck off with a very large Cheque.
Absolutely - No way on this earth do we need to resort to him in the Championship where most teams play football these days. Bruce was bad enough but BS?
That said, if he did keep us up, I wouldn't be overly upset if he stayed for the following season, just to steady things and build a bse.
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Our great white hope is a man who has been roundly criticised on here for being a dinosaur, plays apparently hideous football and was last seen in a brown envelope sting. Not good enough for the Championship but give him another year if he keeps us in the top flight.
Still, if it's short term you want, as in eight managers in ten years, what's Harry Bassett doing?
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Our great white hope is a man who has been roundly criticised on here for being a dinosaur, plays apparently hideous football and was last seen in a brown envelope sting. Not good enough for the Championship but give him another year if he keeps us in the top flight.
Still, if it's short term you want, as in eight managers in ten years, what's Harry Bassett doing?
I don't think anyone said he's not good enough for the Championship - More that if we drop, there is no need for such desperation (sacrificing good football)
Give me short term all day long if it keeps us in the division - That is the only thing I'm concerned about right now.
You don't plan long term when you're hanging from a very thin string at the bottom of the PL with 10 games left - There's a time and place for everything.
8 shit managers in 10 years - People need to wake up and smell the coffee. There isn't any up and coming super manager out there, waiting in the wings for Aston Villa to come knocking. The harsh reality is that at some point in the not too distant future, it will be 9 (shit) managers in X years.
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We have no idea if there's the right up and coming, down and falling or dull and boring manager out there who'd work for us, and Allardyce has about the same win ratio over his career as Dean Smith does. What I find amazing is how we forget everything we've ever said about Allardyce and hope it's some sort of infallible magic that has seen him keep sides up. Appointing him now is as much of a risk as keeping Smith or grabbing A.N. Other. Our thinking at the moment would have seen Saunders ditched in 76 and Taylor in 89. Granted, it wouldn't have seen us hold on to Lambert for so long, but the point stands.
There's a habit at Villa - and maybe other clubs if I was interested enough to look - every time we face peril of looking 5-10 years back at who was any good and convincing ourselves they are the answer.
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We have no idea if there's the right up and coming, down and falling or dull and boring manager out there who'd work for us, and Allardyce has about the same win ratio over his career as Dean Smith does. What I find amazing is how we forget everything we've ever said about Allardyce and hope it's some sort of infallible magic that has seen him keep sides up. Appointing him now is as much of a risk as keeping Smith or grabbing A.N. Other. Our thinking at the moment would have seen Saunders ditched in 76 and Taylor in 89. Granted, it wouldn't have seen us hold on to Lambert for so long, but the point stands.
There's a habit at Villa - and maybe other clubs if I was interested enough to look - every time we face peril of looking 5-10 years back at who was any good and convincing ourselves they are the answer.
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Everybody is waiting for the right up and coming manager - 99% of the time it ends in disappointment (see our last 8).
3 months ago, I was saying the same things about Allerdyce. Now I'm desperate. Allerdyce has managed to achieve what we're hoping to do on more than one occasion. it is many, many times less of a risk than keeping Smith who can't even get the team to compete with the opposition.
It's nothing to do with looking back - It is simply who is the best (realistic) man to keep us up over the next 10 games. Smith is a non-starter, his boat has sailed. Allerdyce gives us a chance. Smith is supposed to be the epitome of open attacking football. How many are enjoying it? I'd sooner see a boring 0-0 than a 4-0 walkover like we saw on Monday. Let's start competing before we worry about the standard of football.
The performances (since Leicester at home) have been on a par with 2015-16 as the worst we've seen. Far worse than the Saunders or SGT blips. We're at crisis point without an abundance of candidates tripping over themselves to come and manage Villa.
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I’d hate for us to appoint Sam Allardyce, I really would.
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I'd be ok with it for the rest of the season.
Nothing more long term than that.
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Allardyce is an expert at keeping teams up and if the worst comes to the worst he has a number of promotions on his CV too. Seems like a win win option for me.
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Allardyce is an expert at keeping teams up and if the worst comes to the worst he has a number of promotions on his CV too. Seems like a win win option for me.
If he keeps us up, so be it, and he's probably better than most for doing just that, plus, this squad needs a right good kick up the rear and somebody that looks like he is going to beat the crap out of them if they don't carry out his game plan, not ideal, but needs must.
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I’d hate for us to appoint Sam Allardyce, I really would.
I'd hate us to go down 100 times more.
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
Miles behind Neil Lennon's Celtic! Let that sink in
Second in a two horse race.
We hired McLeish who once came third in that two horse race!
Think he brought them to the UEFA Cup final the same year...and beat MONs Celtic to I think two league titles.
But no...I don't want McLeish to return!
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If you want a real 'outside the box' shout how about Stevie G?
Miles behind Neil Lennon's Celtic! Let that sink in
Second in a two horse race.
We hired McLeish who once came third in that two horse race!
Think he brought them to the UEFA Cup final the same year...and beat MONs Celtic to I think two league titles.
But no...I don't want McLeish to return!
I thought it was Walter Smith who took Rangers to the 2008 UEFA Cup Final.
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t'was
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I’d hate for us to appoint Sam Allardyce, I really would.
I'd hate us to go down 100 times more.
And if we go down with him as manager?
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I’d hate for us to appoint Sam Allardyce, I really would.
I'd hate us to go down 100 times more.
And if we go down with him as manager?
We'd go down with the best chance we had of staying in the division.
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A new manager would help, I think, but it's all been overtaken by events now really.
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A new manager would help, I think, but it's all been overtaken by events now really.
Looking at the posts up until about 24/48 hours ago on the coronavirus thread and it's frightening how things have turned in the past 24 hours or so.
I think a lot of pennies have been dropping and it will be impossible for the FA not to act.
People are going to lose a lot of money but by the same token, many more are going to lose their lives.
I agree, the decision about the manager/head coach will be (temporarily) suspended.
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Why? I would have thought there would be plenty of time for a new manager to settle in.
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current events merely delay the inevitable for Dean imo.
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Why? I would have thought there would be plenty of time for a new manager to settle in.
Because there’s no point bringing anyone in when there’s no football and probably no players coming into work.
If the stand out candidate is out there in the wings then yes but if it’s a makeshift choice like terry or BS then it’s pointless.
I agree it’s putting off the inevitable but balanced against no football being played, now is probably not the best time.
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Why? I would have thought there would be plenty of time for a new manager to settle in.
Because there’s no point bringing anyone in when there’s no football and probably no players coming into work.
If the stand out candidate is out there in the wings then yes but if it’s a makeshift choice like terry or BS then it’s pointless.
I agree it’s putting off the inevitable but balanced against no football being played, now is probably not the best time.
This is an opportunity - bring in Pochettino and give him 3-4 weeks to get this squad knocked into shape ...
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As much as I think Dean should go I would be very surprised if it happened now. I think it only buys him a bit more time but who knows.
Peoples health at this time is far more important.
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It would show a serious lack of class to use a global health crisis as a good opportunity to sack a manager.
Luckily, we’ll do nothing of the sort.
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With McGinn fit again by the time our next match comes (April, June, October, 2021) we'll win every match and everything will be fine.
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Why? I would have thought there would be plenty of time for a new manager to settle in.
Because there’s no point bringing anyone in when there’s no football and probably no players coming into work.
If the stand out candidate is out there in the wings then yes but if it’s a makeshift choice like terry or BS then it’s pointless.
I agree it’s putting off the inevitable but balanced against no football being played, now is probably not the best time.
This is an opportunity - bring in Pochettino and give him 3-4 weeks to get this squad knocked into shape ...
Training will be suspended before you know it.
Don't kid yourself that the Villa squad will be virus proof.
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I don't want Smith out but if he has to go I would have thought now would be the perfect time to allow a new manager a mini pre-season.
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It would show a serious lack of class to use a global health crisis as a good opportunity to sack a manager.
Luckily, we’ll do nothing of the sort.
If we had postponments simply due to the weather, then with the next 2 weekends free already, it definitely would have been a good time for a new manager to step in and I believe the club should have taken steps before now.
However, you're right as it certainly would not look very good if that were to happen now.
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It would show a serious lack of class to use a global health crisis as a good opportunity to sack a manager.
Luckily, we’ll do nothing of the sort.
Not really. The decision may have already been made to sack him after Chelsea. If they had a decent replacement lined up then carrying that through wouldn't be a lack of class at all.
Again I don't want him gone, but if they've got a sensible plan it shouldn't stop them.
But if the plan was JT or <shudder> Big Sam, then yes it would be pointless - would be better to see if the season is abandoned or not.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
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There's more chance of Mick Jagger becoming celibate than there is of us recruiting Fat Sam. Our chances of snagging Bielsa might have just got better.
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When the league decide to abandon the season will DS be kept on or not?
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When the league decide to abandon the season will DS be kept on or not?
I guess it depends if we are to be relegated or not. I would hope that they finish the season, regardless of when it can be finished, and, cancel next season, as that hasn't been played yet!
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
It amazes me how many fall into the Fat Sam line when trouble is brewing. I don’t get it. I’m sure they would soon all be on the internet grumbling how terrible we are to watch.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
It amazes me how many fall into the Fat Sam line when trouble is brewing. I don’t get it. I’m sure they would soon all be on the internet grumbling how terrible we are to watch.
Crooked as the days long as well. I know it’s all about the money, but, even though he was stung, fecking up his England chance with a dodgy brown envelope, lack of class.
I agree with Marlon from bearwood, it would be a complete lack of class to use the crisis as a time to sack smith. If and when everything resumes, we will have one of our best players back (if not our best player) and smith a bit of breathing space to work out what to do. If this is just a lot of old tosh, I still haven’t seen one suggestion on here that would be practical. Maybe a big name if we stayed up, but no one other than a has been dodgy used car salesman would take up the mantle for 10 games only.
After Monday I thought the gig was up, but as unimportant as football is the midst of all this, it does give smith and the players time to regroup
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The time is probably not right to sack Smith now but inevitably it is coming sooner or later. Without current events I’d have taken Big Sam all day long and not worried in the slightest if the football was shite if it kept us up. As things stand everything has now changed so it’s totally irrelevant.
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The time is probably not right to sack Smith now but inevitably it is coming sooner or later. Without current events I’d have taken Big Sam all day long and not worried in the slightest if the football was shite if it kept us up. As things stand everything has now changed so it’s totally irrelevant.
Prior to the crisis I would have taken Big Sam. And, for two seasons. If ever a club needed a year or two of being a boring, mid-table outfit it's us. it is TEN YEARS since we were a stable, safe, mid-table club. It would be amazing if we could be a 42-45 points a season side for a season or two and then make the next leap.
Now, however, we shouldn't do anything until things become clearer. If the season gets back under-way in a month- the air will be a lot clearer and things may shake-out a bit differently.
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The time is probably not right to sack Smith now but inevitably it is coming sooner or later. Without current events I’d have taken Big Sam all day long and not worried in the slightest if the football was shite if it kept us up. As things stand everything has now changed so it’s totally irrelevant.
Prior to the crisis I would have taken Big Sam. And, for two seasons. If ever a club needed a year or two of being a boring, mid-table outfit it's us. it is TEN YEARS since we were a stable, safe, mid-table club. It would be amazing if we could be a 42-45 points a season side for a season or two and then make the next leap.
Now, however, we shouldn't do anything until things become clearer. If the season gets back under-way in a month- the air will be a lot clearer and things may shake-out a bit differently.
Agree 100% with this.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
It amazes me how many fall into the Fat Sam line when trouble is brewing. I don’t get it. I’m sure they would soon all be on the internet grumbling how terrible we are to watch.
Thing is I think he'd provide us the bare minimum which quite frankly is all that we would need. Watford recruited Pearson until the end of the season. They change managers like any one of us changes socks. If they stay up what's that worth to them versus relegation? For us it's even more damaging so, do I puke a little into my mouth suggesting a rescue merchant like Allardyce? Of course. But all I give a fuck about is staying up, he'd be available and give us a way better chance of getting over the line than Smith. But if there's someone better, who's available and would come to a club in the bottom 3 of the PL then let's get him. We all thought ex-Lyon boss Remi Garde might have been that bloke last time around. What a disaster that turned out to be.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
It amazes me how many fall into the Fat Sam line when trouble is brewing. I don’t get it. I’m sure they would soon all be on the internet grumbling how terrible we are to watch.
Thing is I think he'd provide us the bare minimum which quite frankly is all that we would need. Watford recruited Pearson until the end of the season. They change managers like any one of us changes socks. If they stay what's that worth to them versus relegation? For us it's even more damaging so, do I puke a little into my mouth suggesting a rescue merchant like Allardyce? If course. But all I give a fuck about is staying up, and he'd be available and give us a way better chance of getting over the line than Smith. But if there's someone better, who's available and would come to a club in the bottom 3 of the PL then let's get him. We all thought for Lyon boss Remi Garde might have been that bloke last time around. What a disaster that turned out to be.
I know we didn’t see eye to eye earlier in the season when I dared to slag off Jack but I agree 100% with this.
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Get Sam in now, may have a month of drilling some sort of defensive cohesion into this lot.
I actually think the break could do is a favour, if we act swiftly.
We won’t though and Smith will be in charge for the next game (whenever that is)
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That's what I would do, another month of DS coaching will not make a difference we will still come back with the defence leaking goals.
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Dean has an open goal opportunity to re-enforce his coaching staff. Will he?
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Dean has an open goal opportunity to re-enforce his coaching staff. Will he?
Quite.
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Fat Sam. Keep us up and bore our way to 11th or 10th.
Imagine a season that is just boring. When was the last one we had where we weren't trying to stop up, trying to get promoted, trying for Champions League or not sacking managers left right and centre?
It must have been O'Neill's first season.
Right now I would happily take boring our way to 10th or 11th. After that, once we are settled in with our squad deeper with more hardened PL level players bring in someone to push us on again. And as an aside, I actually don't think his sides were as boring as it made out. This is the same bloke who had a number of talented and exciting players while at Bolton. Believe me in a perfect world I'd never be advocating for boring and 10th, but short of Nuno leaving Wolves with Mendes or someone else truly outstanding that could address the current situation I'd take safety and becoming established again as the first goal.
Bolton was a long time ago, his reputation for dull football has grown with every job since the. If we do end up deciding to make a change why on earth should we settle for a tired and unimaginative appointment like that?
It amazes me how many fall into the Fat Sam line when trouble is brewing. I don’t get it. I’m sure they would soon all be on the internet grumbling how terrible we are to watch.
Thing is I think he'd provide us the bare minimum which quite frankly is all that we would need. Watford recruited Pearson until the end of the season. They change managers like any one of us changes socks. If they stay what's that worth to them versus relegation? For us it's even more damaging so, do I puke a little into my mouth suggesting a rescue merchant like Allardyce? If course. But all I give a fuck about is staying up, and he'd be available and give us a way better chance of getting over the line than Smith. But if there's someone better, who's available and would come to a club in the bottom 3 of the PL then let's get him. We all thought for Lyon boss Remi Garde might have been that bloke last time around. What a disaster that turned out to be.
I know we didn’t see eye to eye earlier in the season when I dared to slag off Jack but I agree 100% with this.
I too agree 100% with this comment.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
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I said that about TSM 2 - and still went.
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The decades I've spent at Villa Park with good and not so good managers not once did it even occur to me to stay away because I didn't like the manager.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
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What people need to understand here is how far we've fallen and how unattractive we look from the outside.
We have to be realistic in our targets.
A manager from the Championship? We've got one of the brightest prospects from the Championship in charge currently - The fans choice but look how he's struggled at this level. For me, another manager from there would be a massive gamble.
A manager from Europe or beyond? Is always a gamble. For every Poch, there are 10 Remi Gardes.
I look at what my priority is, which is PL survival at all costs. Go down and I'm a bit more flexible. However, to survive in the PL, I want the manager who is the least gamble. Currently, the most realistic target is SA. I want survival at all costs and if that means sacrificing the quality of football then so be it. I'm not exactly dancing from the rooftops when the rain is pissing down on me after leaving the King Power stadium at 0-3 to hear the crowd roar as another goal goes in against us - It's hardly sexy football at present is it?
We are in the bottom section of the PL - It is not going to be open, attacking football each week anyway - The games are going to be played more often than not in our own half. We have to somehow establish ourselves before we look for this elusive up and coming manager who is ready to take on the world.
Rome wasn't built in a day - The target has to be survival.
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The decades I've spent at Villa Park with good and not so good managers not once did it even occur to me to stay away because I didn't like the manager.
Me too, but it’s different with this man. It has to stop somewhere and for me it would be with him I’m afraid.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
Bolton dropped after he left them as he had got them punching above his weight.
They didn't look too bad when they beat us in the League Cup semi one year.
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The decades I've spent at Villa Park with good and not so good managers not once did it even occur to me to stay away because I didn't like the manager.
I did - couldn't bear the thought of McLeish being there. I baled out for a season.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
Bolton dropped after he left them as he had got them punching above his weight.
They didn't look too bad when they beat us in the League Cup semi one year.
Bolton, Newcastle, Sunderland and Blackburn all get relegated after he left but none of them went down while he was in charge. Which suggests he got more out of those limited teams than his successors did.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
Bolton dropped after he left them as he had got them punching above his weight.
They didn't look too bad when they beat us in the League Cup semi one year.
Bolton, Newcastle, Sunderland and Blackburn all get relegated after he left but none of them went down while he was in charge. Which suggests he got more out of those limited teams than his successors did.
Or he left them in such a state that the inevitable happened. Also ask West Ham or Everton fans if they would have him back
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Sam Allardyce is an older adult who had health issues. In the current climate he should be looking after his well being not taking on any managing roles. I think employing him at this time is risk for himself let alone how he copes with club football again. Allardyce who must be around 70 now. Maybe maybe football managers should have a retirement age like the same as the state do?
It's similar to when Gerard Houiller who must have been mid 60s when he signed up and he unfortunately became unwell.
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Sixty six this year.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.
But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.
Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality.
Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.
But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.
Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality.
Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.
Cynical is the word that comes to mind and despite the players you mention the long throw and continuous time wasting are the enduring memories most will have of that side.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.
But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.
Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality.
Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.
Cynical is the word that comes to mind and despite the players you mention the long throw and continuous time wasting are the enduring memories most will have of that side.
Exactly let’s not try to change history to justify this man being advocated as our manager
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His job has rarely been to create teams to play beautiful flowing football. It’s been to get his side punching way above their weight and keep them in the top division which he’s always done. That’s ALL we need this season.
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I despair at the clamour of some fans for the likes of Allardyce as our manager I really do. We have had ten years of “Fat Sams” and look where we are!!! He would be a truly awful appointment and YES I would rather go down then have this man in charge of my club. Are fans suggesting that he’s our limit??? Him and all the other dinosaurs??? That we are a fat Sam club???? Not for me I’m afraid, I’m a villa fan till I die and long after any manager has been and gone but I won’t be visiting Villa Park if this man is ever in charge
In what way is "Fat Sam" a dinosaur? The sports science techniques he learnt in the states at the tail end of his playing career and applied at Bolton were way ahead of most other English clubs at the time. I would rather take my chance with a Fat Sam in a ten game relegation battle than a Remi Garde or Pepe Mel.
And where are Bolton now??? I don’t remember them ever playing attractive football and I never heard any fan say they went to watch a team cos the sports science was good !!!
You obviously didn't watch his Bolton team, they were very entertaining.
They were one of the most horrible, cynical sides I've had the misfortune to pay money to watch.
Yes, he started the trend for that style off football that Pulis and others continued. It would show a complete lack of imagination and would knock thousands off the gate in an instant.
I'm not advocating for him to replace Smith.
But to dismiss his Bolton side, in their peak, as not being attractive, is disingenuous.
Okocha, Djorkaeff, Campo and Hierro. Plenty of quality.
Dirty, yes, but most of the successful teams have some of both.
Cynical is the word that comes to mind and despite the players you mention the long throw and continuous time wasting are the enduring memories most will have of that side.
Exactly let’s not try to change history to justify this man being advocated as our manager
I think you are changing history, he did a marvellous job there.
Ask any of their fans what they thought about that period.
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My wife's family are all from Bolton and are Bolton supporters. Allardyce is a hero in the town.
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That was about 15 years ago and football has moved on massively. Even Pulis is more up to date and relevant then BS.
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My wife's family are all from Bolton and are Bolton supporters. Allardyce is a hero in the town.
Each to their own I suppose. I guess there are people in Small Heath who deem Bruce a hero
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He did wonders at Bolton and i'm not surprised they love him up there, but it was all built around the tactic of using the 2 Kevins. There may have been the flair of Okocha, but it was still mainly using Davies and Nolan.
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I'd be more inclined to rubbish Allardyce and his style of football if we were wowing everyone with our modern, aesthetically pleasing and progressive style. Or winning.
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He did wonders at Bolton and i'm not surprised they love him up there, but it was all built around the tactic of using the 2 Kevins. There may have been the flair of Okocha, but it was still mainly using Davies and Nolan.
Davies was an excellent Centre forward
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He did wonders at Bolton and i'm not surprised they love him up there, but it was all built around the tactic of using the 2 Kevins. There may have been the flair of Okocha, but it was still mainly using Davies and Nolan.
Do we really need to talk about Kevins?
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I certainly don’t want DS to go. He’s learning, too, and think he’ll come back stronger.
However, if they did decide to look elsewhere I’d expect a Poccetino(?) type announcement
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He did wonders at Bolton and i'm not surprised they love him up there, but it was all built around the tactic of using the 2 Kevins. There may have been the flair of Okocha, but it was still mainly using Davies and Nolan.
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Do we really need to talk about Kevins?
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Given how long it might be before there is any competitive football, we should probably be discussing which 15 year olds look like they might have the future potential to be great Villa managers.
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Rafa Benitez
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Rafa Benitez
Seconded. If he will work for Purslow.
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Be ironic if we ended up with Rafa while Newcastle have Bruce.
If they continue with Bruce then there’s a good chance they’ll end up relegated again.
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If it looks this week like the season will resume, we should be shaking Smiths hand, patting him on the back and replacing him with a manager that can actually organise a back 4 and team shape to not be walked through 20 times a game. If we were playing Arsenal 2003 football along with it fine, but we are playing fucking awfully. Rafa is the ideal either way, if he is a no, then I would give it to Sam for 10 games. Hate the man, but he would do the job. Trouble is, no one knows anything, and if the season is over, then our manager choice would be wider, but never more pivotal.
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Given how long it might be before there is any competitive football, we should probably be discussing which 15 year olds look like they might have the future potential to be great Villa managers.
A fifteen year old who is good at playing FIFA on the Playstation would probably do better then several of our former managers did.
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wasn't that how we scouted players a few years ago when our head scout lived in Oz?
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I love the thought that we are a club where a manager can learn on the job.We've had a few owners in that category .It's all gone swimmingly so far.
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Any ideas for a short list?
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Any ideas for a short list?
Ronnie Corbett and Danny De Vito.
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Any ideas for a short list?
Ronnie Corbett and Danny De Vito.
Very good!
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My lad asked me who our next manager might be yesterday.
It might be the utter deflation of our situation, but I admitted I honestly didnt know.
Not a clue!
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The manager is the most important person at a club. He has to be charismatic, the leader, motivational and quick thinking.
A good manager can make a team be more than the sum of their parts and can get average players to perform above themselves.
Smith has been none of those things. He has come across as a lovely man with potential who just wasn't ready for the premier league. The problem for this club is that the powers that be at the club didn't think this was a problem and that's my worry long term.
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Smith would have to get off to a flier to last past October. The fear is we'd do our usual trick of looking at the Bruce's of this world. Mr. Promotion in other words. Moyes will probably be binned by then or failing that Pullis.
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Dyche will be high on the list
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Dyche will be high on the list
If it’s a vocal list , no doubt
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There must be a Portuguese chap floating about that can put a team together.
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Sean Dyche please. No fucking about. Offer him double his money and some proceeds from the inevitable sales and he’ll get us up first time of asking.
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There must be a Portuguese chap floating about that can put a team together.
The obvious one is Sergio Conceição, Porto's current Coach. Similar experience to Nuno ES and I think his contract is up this month. Only problem is I can't see him wanting to manage a club, even a club of our size, in the Championship.
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I just don’t think they will sack Dean Smith.
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Surely we can convince Benitez to come, given the money that could be available.
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Surely we can convince Benitez to come, given the money that could be available.
I thought he had just signed a new contract?
Jurgen Klinsmann anyone?
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Surely we can convince Benitez to come, given the money that could be available.
I thought he had just signed a new contract?
Jurgen Klinsmann anyone?
Not sure if serious
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This is taken from Klinsmann’s Wiki page
Following Klinsmann's time with Bayern, Bayern team captain Phillip Lahm wrote in his autobiography that Klinsmann's tenure with the club was a "failure" and that Klinsmann's lack of tactical instruction required the players to meet before kickoff to discuss strategy.
He’d fit right in
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Mauricio Pochettino please
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Surely we can convince Benitez to come, given the money that could be available.
I thought he had just signed a new contract?
Jurgen Klinsmann anyone?
Not sure if serious
Not really, he's an oaf in the same boat as Tactics Tim. I honestly don't know who to suggest. I wonder what Mark Robins could do with a few quid behind him. I'd love Poch but that's highly unlikely.
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Mauricio Pochettino please
Oh the known manager he is clearly the one to get , United don't need him now so if the Newcastle take over doesnt happen or they stick with Bruce he is an option
Rafa no chance whilst Purlsow is here
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I hope the club aim as high as they can with the next manager appointment. An extra million in salary would pay for itself if each player raised their game buy a few percent and if the team had a decent structure. The impossible question is would a top manger come?
You start by asking Poch and work down the list from there. I’d imagine Dyche is gettable.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
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Dyche, Benitez or Pochettino, yes to any of those.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
Probably not, but as we are the only club of our size ever to play in the Championship then there aren't many similar circumstances to compare. The last truly big club to play in the second tier before 2016 was us, again, in 1988 and we persuaded Graham Taylor to drop a division.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
Graham Taylor did it with Watford/Villa pre-Premier Division days but you raise a good point and it would be up to the owners to sell the project.
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I hope the club aim as high as they can with the next manager appointment. An extra million in salary would pay for itself if each player raised there game buy a few percent and if the team had a decent structure. The impossible question is would a top manger come?
Dyche is the obvious candidate, if a little ‘meat and potatoes’ for my liking.
Mentioned elsewhere but Sérgio Conceição is available. Having seen how Nuno built Wolves from the Championship, he may be tempted. The lack of funds at Porto has been pissing him off and he hasn't signed a new contract yet. Our set up and owners could possibly get his interest. Money is always important but he's made a fortune as a player and will be more interested in developing his career than the money.
Certainly worth a phone call unless you're a fan of boiled meat and spuds.
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Dyche would be ideal. We need somebody to make us hard to beat. He seems the right fit.
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Could we tempt Nuno?
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We need to add a poll to this now
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Could we tempt Nuno?
With what?
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Could we tempt Nuno?
With what?
More chance tempting Nemo.
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Could we tempt Nuno?
Unless someone at Villa has compromising photographs of him, no chance.
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
Have a poll on whether or not to have a poll.
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Pochettino isn't going to manage a Championship club.
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We need to add a poll to this now
Jerzy Brzeczek?
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We need to add a poll to this now
Jerzy Brzeczek?
Bless you.
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Pochetino
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
Sure but that’s like saying we shouldn’t be having a next manager thread without a vacancy. And if you want Dean Smith can be on it.
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Gio Van Bronckhorst would be my choice, did a very good job at Feyenoord before stepping down last summer and was being linked with Man City as a possible long-term successor for Guardiola afterwards. He signed on with a club in China in January but I don't think that would make him impossible to get.
Other than that I'd take Cocu or Howe as well and I think they'd both be interested.
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Guus Hiddink is available. 73 but then Hodgson is 72 and hes doing ok.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
Probably not, but as we are the only club of our size ever to play in the Championship then there aren't many similar circumstances to compare. The last truly big club to play in the second tier before 2016 was us, again, in 1988 and we persuaded Graham Taylor to drop a division.
What about Newcastle?
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Chris Hughton
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Poch and Nuno? What planet some of you on.
Cocu has failed to get Derby into the play offs, Howe’s stock has plummeted.
There aren’t many possibles to be honest. Dyche is the first manager this season to take points at Anfield and he’s gettable imo. Other than that I’m scratching my head
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
Sure but that’s like saying we shouldn’t be having a next manager thread without a vacancy. And if you want Dean Smith can be on it.
I see that and the speculation is fine but actually having a list of potentials? I'm no Smith fan but it just seems a bit too premature, a bit disrespectful. It's a long shot, and I'm 99% sure it won't happen, but it is still possible he might keep us up.
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Poch and Nuno? What planet some of you on.
Cocu has failed to get Derby into the play offs, Howe’s stock has plummeted.
There aren’t many possibles to be honest. Dyche is the first manager this season to take points at Anfield and he’s gettable imo. Other than that I’m scratching my head
I think Cocu and Howe are a better fit than Dyche who I don't think is in the mould of what the owners are after.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
Probably not, but as we are the only club of our size ever to play in the Championship then there aren't many similar circumstances to compare. The last truly big club to play in the second tier before 2016 was us, again, in 1988 and we persuaded Graham Taylor to drop a division.
What about Newcastle?
What about them? Those no-marks are nowhere near our size. Even they, though, managed to attract Benitez when it already looked extremely likely that he'd have to manage in the Championship. Leeds, another club with delusions of grandeur, attracted Bielsa after seventy years or so outside the top flight.
It would be a shock to precisely noone if a club of our stature were able to entice someone from a club like Burnley, even if they are in a higher division.
And, in answer to the initial question, Hearts just took Dundee United's manager, persuading him to drop a division, the other day. And Dundee United are a much bigger deal in Scottish football than Burnley are in England.
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
Sure but that’s like saying we shouldn’t be having a next manager thread without a vacancy. And if you want Dean Smith can be on it.
I see that and the speculation is fine but actually having a list of potentials? I'm no Smith fan but it just seems a bit too premature, a bit disrespectful. It's a long shot, and I'm 99% sure it won't happen, but it is still possible he might keep us up.
The writings been on the wall since December. He’s been fortunate that a jammy cup run and (hopefully) a once in a lifetime pandemic saved his job respectively.
I personally think the way he and his coaching staff have handled this season is disrespectful to the club and fans, so sod poor Deans feelings. He’s fucked up good and proper. Nice bloke, shite manager.
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Niko Kovac
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Stevie G
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Maybe wait til there's an actual vacancy before we have a poll?
Sure but that’s like saying we shouldn’t be having a next manager thread without a vacancy. And if you want Dean Smith can be on it.
I see that and the speculation is fine but actually having a list of potentials? I'm no Smith fan but it just seems a bit too premature, a bit disrespectful. It's a long shot, and I'm 99% sure it won't happen, but it is still possible he might keep us up.
Fair enough Hilts. Sadly I think it’s all now a matter of time.
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Stevie G
Fuck no. He's nearly as much of a twat as Terry.
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I think from the very beginning the job was too big for Smith. Both he and O'Kelly didn't have the pedigree or the cred to start with, hence why JT was offered a role on the coaching staff.
What we need is a ruthless bastard, with a reputation of not taking any shit from primadonnas and demands from his players the very minimum of 100%.
We also need to rid those who think WE are privileged to have them at our club, along with the leaches that have only ever taken the money and made no impact whatsoever.
Dyche would be a good fit I think, so would Benitez, but if you really wanted to go left field I would have a crack at Gattuso.
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Gattuso is mental. I approve.
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Quite a few interesting options being put forward. This is hope.
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Cherie Lunghi. Good pedigree as a football manager.
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Stevie G
Agreed.
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
Yeah, why don’t we go the whole bloody hog and appoint Bono as CEO?
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This is taken from Klinsmann’s Wiki page
Following Klinsmann's time with Bayern, Bayern team captain Phillip Lahm wrote in his autobiography that Klinsmann's tenure with the club was a "failure" and that Klinsmann's lack of tactical instruction required the players to meet before kickoff to discuss strategy.
He’d fit right in
It’s as if he is managing us already
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
Why not Gerrard?
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
Why not Gerrard?
The question is surely why? The pinnacle of his managerial career is finishing second in a two team league, and winning zero trophies. What's he achieved?
If he hadn't had such a successful playing career, would anyone even suggest him?
Plus, he's a ******.
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Gattuso is mental. I approve.
Signing a new deal with Napoli.
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You wouldn't want to face him if you strolled around the pitch not giving a fuck.
(https://i.ibb.co/GdvCd94/Gennaro-Gattuso.png) (https://ibb.co/GdvCd94)
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Gio Van Bronckhorst would be my choice, did a very good job at Feyenoord before stepping down last summer and was being linked with Man City as a possible long-term successor for Guardiola afterwards. He signed on with a club in China in January but I don't think that would make him impossible to get.
Other than that I'd take Cocu or Howe as well and I think they'd both be interested.
Howe appears shell shocked at best and broken at worst at the moment. He needs a break from football in my opinion. Even if he the right man (and I don't think he is) it would be the wrong time anyway.
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If Suso is still here the next manager will be from the Belgium league.
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Gattuso is mental. I approve.
Signing a new deal with Napoli.
No harm in offering him more than Napoli. You never know, he might go for it.
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
Why not Gerrard?
The question is surely why? The pinnacle of his managerial career is finishing second in a two team league, and winning zero trophies. What's he achieved?
If he hadn't had such a successful playing career, would anyone even suggest him?
Plus, he's a c***.
No idea why you think he is a c***?
He is an up and coming manager. A winner as a player although I grant you that doesn’t necessarily make a good manager. However, he would get instant respect from the players and also be an attraction for new signings. I like his no nonsense aggressive style given the opposite style of our current failing manager. That said I doubt he’d come anyway given our impending relegation.
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He was a cheating, diving bastard, he beats people up if they disagree with his choice of music and he has agreed to manage the Scottish equivalent of the Third Reich. That's why I don't like him.
All your arguments seem similar to ones you could use for appointing Tim Sherwood. Great player, leader on the field. Doesn't necessarily make him a great manager. Likewise Roy Keane.
As for "up and coming", he may well have a successful career. I don't really want us to be used to experiment, though. I'd rather we went for the finished article. Gerrard has achieved precisely zero so far. He's taken the second best club with the second biggest budget to... second place. Exactly what you would expect, nothing more, nothing less. No reason whatsoever to be entrusted with the Villa job.
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Completely agree cdb, Aston. Villa should not be a test lab, get a manager.
Also, he is a c***
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Finished article? Like who?
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Finished article? Like who?
There are lots of examples on this thread, some we could probably get, some we perhaps couldn't. I confess, I'm not an expert in many overseas leagues so am not able to give a full assessments of all those mentioned.
Certainly, though, there should be a lot of better candidates than an Old Firm manager who has only ever finished second.
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I'd take Gerrard in a heartbeat!
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For clarification, I didn't say that! He's quotefailed me into supporting John fucking Terry! 😭
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No idea why you think he is a c***?
Erm... because he's a c*nt.
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And now he's edited his post just to make me look even worse! I preferred the real Gary Penrice. And he was shite!
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Christ. Steven Fackin Gerrard would be the final straw for me.... if only for the constant sickening references to Liverpool when we’re on telly.
Big no from me - We need a scary piece of shit in charge that is going to send a rocket up them. As mentioned previously, I’d fancy Gattuso
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Lets just go and pat the Atalanta manager however much he wants.
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Lionel Messi as player manager.
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Has an incumbent premiership manager ever dumped their club to take up a job in the championship? Ever?
Clough resigned from the champions and ended up joining Division 3 Brighton less than a month later, so perhaps it's possible if you could find a sufficiently disgruntled PL manager!
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Poch and Nuno? What planet some of you on.
Cocu has failed to get Derby into the play offs, Howe’s stock has plummeted.
There aren’t many possibles to be honest. Dyche is the first manager this season to take points at Anfield and he’s gettable imo. Other than that I’m scratching my head
I think Cocu and Howe are a better fit than Dyche who I don't think is in the mould of what the owners are after.
You mean the owners that appointed Dean Smith? We’ve no idea what that mould looks like and I doubt they even know themselves. They’ve entrusted Purslow to do that stuff and he’s not exactly covered himself in a lot of glory. If these owners are going to prove they are in this for the long haul and this is just a blip, then they need to show they are ruthless and give Purslow the elbow, followed by Dean Smith with Terry, O’Kelly, Suso and Cutler following behind. I hope they are putting out feelers now for overhauling this whole side of football club in preparation to hit the ground running when we restart because fuck me we ain’t going to have long and to secure automatic promotion we really need to hit our straps and lay down a marker to get straight back up. I’m fucked if can suffer another 3 years of shite.
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I have absolutely no idea who should be next manager because whoever gets it will fail because we are cursed I tell you cursed!
Young ones, Old ones, Foreign ones, Brummie ones.
I’ve concluded this misery will never end.
But I’ll still be renewing..
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Pochettino isn't going to manage a Championship club.
probably not but Benitez is managing in China why ?
12 mill a year that’s why
never forget Money talks
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Appointing Steven fucking Gerrard after having given John fucking Terry a job would just confirm that Villa are trolling me.
Why not Gerrard?
The question is surely why? The pinnacle of his managerial career is finishing second in a two team league, and winning zero trophies. What's he achieved?
If he hadn't had such a successful playing career, would anyone even suggest him?
Plus, he's a c***.
So when did you meet him to make such a sweeping statement ?
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Let's not fall out again, VCTM. I've been impressed by some of your recent posts on the Black Lives Matter thread and so you seem a good guy.
Just don't get so offended whenever anyone criticises anything to do with the city with ferries and liver birds, yeah?
You'll find quite a few people don't like the perennially diving, DJ beating, Mr Liverpool.
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Daniel Farke anyone ?? Couldn't keep Norridge up - but got them playing football -= and will promote talent.
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I disagree with calling him a c***.
The official terminology for Slippy G is massive c***.
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
That would be a superb appointment. Best since 2006...if you are onto something.
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A manager who can define a clear attacking strategy and implement it, but at the same time have the ability to adapt and change things when they’re not going to plan.
One of the worst things about Dean is it feels like he’s following a specific script. Same “plan”, same subs introduced at the same time every week etc.
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Daniel Farke anyone ?? Couldn't keep Norridge up - but got them playing football -= and will promote talent.
If it pans out like it looks it will, replacing your manager with the only one who was worse seems counter-intuitive.
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Let's not fall out again, VCTM. I've been impressed by some of your recent posts on the Black Lives Matter thread and so you seem a good guy.
Just don't get so offended whenever anyone criticises anything to do with the city with ferries and liver birds, yeah?
You'll find quite a few people don't like the perennially diving, DJ beating, Mr Liverpool.
No need for condescension CD - I'll post exactly what I want as long I do not break the site rules - personally I don't give a fig what you think of me - making statements about someone being a **** when you've never met someone smacks of immaturity - as a former junior football coach I've met several Liverpool and Everton players who without exception have been excellent ambassadors - Gerrard is amongst that group - I am also lucky to live in a nice area frequented by footballers - I have met Gerrard many times through football and socially and found him to be polite and courteous but sometimes a bit of a " miseryarse":) The story about his spat with a dj was overblown somewhat - if it makes you feel better - his home is overseen by security cameras and two guards 24/7 because his and his young family have received death threats on a few occasions ......maybe I might come across as A****if I was under those kinds of pressures - I take it you don't want his autograph :)
Enjoy the rest of your weekend
VCTM
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
That would be a superb appointment. Best since 2006...if you are onto something.
timing again
He’s heavily roumered to be leaving Burnley at the seasons end
he’s currently in fashion along with Wilder (A short while ago it would have been Howe)
were looking for a good manager
and Vinnie says he’s high on the list
I’m putting it all together and calling it
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
I just can't see it. Why on earth would you risk it in his shoes. Love it to be true though.
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I disagree with calling him a c***.
The official terminology for Slippy G is massive c***.
Behave yourself ......sigh
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Let's not fall out again, VCTM. I've been impressed by some of your recent posts on the Black Lives Matter thread and so you seem a good guy.
Just don't get so offended whenever anyone criticises anything to do with the city with ferries and liver birds, yeah?
You'll find quite a few people don't like the perennially diving, DJ beating, Mr Liverpool.
No need for condescension CD - I'll post exactly what I want as long I do not break the site rules - personally I don't give a fig what you think of me - making statements about someone being a **** when you've never met someone smacks of immaturity - as a former junior football coach I've met several Liverpool and Everton players who without exception have been excellent ambassadors - Gerrard is amongst that group - I am also lucky to live in a nice area frequented by footballers - I have met Gerrard many times through football and socially and found him to be polite and courteous but sometimes a bit of a " miseryarse":) The story about his spat with a dj was overblown somewhat - if it makes you feel better - his home is overseen by security cameras and two guards 24/7 because his and his young family have received death threats on a few occasions ......maybe I might come across as A****if I was under those kinds of pressures - I take it you don't want his autograph :)
Enjoy the rest of your weekend
VCTM
I was trying to be conciliatory, not condescending. As I said, I don't want to fall out. Please don't make posters feel like they're walking on eggshells whenever they slag off a Liverpool player though. You have a habit of that. Enjoy your weekend, too.
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If Suso is still here the next manager will be from the Belgium league.
4th Division Belgian League
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Pochettino isn't going to manage a Championship club.
probably not but Benitez is managing in China why ?
12 mill a year that’s why
never forget Money talks
Money does indeed talk. There are Champions League clubs who have a lot of it and can and will offer a lot of theirs to Pochettino some time soon.
Howard Hodgson has money, as does Daniel Craig. I know who stands a better chance of getting off with Halle Berry.
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Howe is a good shout. Was the next big thing and sustained ‘success’ at Bournemouth for longer than he should. Awful in the transfer market but we have other people for that (well should have).
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If not Dyche then Jokanovic.
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Let's not fall out again, VCTM. I've been impressed by some of your recent posts on the Black Lives Matter thread and so you seem a good guy.
Just don't get so offended whenever anyone criticises anything to do with the city with ferries and liver birds, yeah?
You'll find quite a few people don't like the perennially diving, DJ beating, Mr Liverpool.
No need for condescension CD - I'll post exactly what I want as long I do not break the site rules - personally I don't give a fig what you think of me - making statements about someone being a **** when you've never met someone smacks of immaturity - as a former junior football coach I've met several Liverpool and Everton players who without exception have been excellent ambassadors - Gerrard is amongst that group - I am also lucky to live in a nice area frequented by footballers - I have met Gerrard many times through football and socially and found him to be polite and courteous but sometimes a bit of a " miseryarse":) The story about his spat with a dj was overblown somewhat - if it makes you feel better - his home is overseen by security cameras and two guards 24/7 because his and his young family have received death threats on a few occasions ......maybe I might come across as A****if I was under those kinds of pressures - I take it you don't want his autograph :)
Enjoy the rest of your weekend
VCTM
I was trying to be conciliatory, not condescending. As I said, I don't want to fall out. Please don't make posters feel like they're walking on eggshells whenever they slag off a Liverpool player though. You have a habit of that. Enjoy your weekend, too.
No worries ........hoping the blue half of Liverpool don't relegate us as i fear the anti Scouse brigade will go into melt down .......as an aside - I was talking with Yerry Mina recently ( he lives five doors down from me ) - about stuff and another neighbour (Evertonian) told him I was a Villa fan - Mina smiled and said "oh dear my friend.....you NEED to change your team"
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry
Finally - almost without exception my buddies who support Liverpool/Everton are genuinely disappointed Villa 'are in such a position - we are held in high esteem up here
Again - I wish you a decent weekend UTV
VCTM
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Daniel Farke anyone ?? Couldn't keep Norridge up - but got them playing football -= and will promote talent.
Same issue as Dean , his teams can't defend.They got away with it in Championship as they were great going forward and won many games coming from behind in high scoring matches but at higher level they needed to adapt and didn't.That said was given no funds as they expected relegation from the start which is why he will be kept on for next season.
They will challenge next season as they have no money concerns and will likely sell a few like Cantwell for decent fees
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
That would be a superb appointment. Best since 2006...if you are onto something.
timing again
He’s heavily roumered to be leaving Burnley at the seasons end
he’s currently in fashion along with Wilder (A short while ago it would have been Howe)
were looking for a good manager
and Vinnie says he’s high on the list
I’m putting it all together and calling it
The first thing that will change is the DOF. He will In turn have a massive impact on who the next manager/coach is.
Suso is gone.
I’d suggest the ‘plan’ is quite far along given how we’re going to have to get a move on pretty quick come seasons end (recruitment)
If we get DOF target we want then we would all be pleased
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anyway I think it’s all done and dusted for Dyche
That would be a superb appointment. Best since 2006...if you are onto something.
timing again
He’s heavily roumered to be leaving Burnley at the seasons end
he’s currently in fashion along with Wilder (A short while ago it would have been Howe)
were looking for a good manager
and Vinnie says he’s high on the list
I’m putting it all together and calling it
The first thing that will change is the DOF. He will In turn have a massive impact on who the next manager/coach is.
Suso is gone.
I’d suggest the ‘plan’ is quite far along given how we’re going to have to get a move on pretty quick come seasons end (recruitment)
If we get DOF target we want then we would all be pleased
Who is the D OF at Southampton? They seem to have a steady set up
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Howe appears shell shocked at best and broken at worst at the moment. He needs a break from football in my opinion. Even if he the right man (and I don't think he is) it would be the wrong time anyway.
Whilst I like and rate him I'd agree with this. I think we need a no nonsense manager like Dyche to shake things up a bit as we seem moribund. If we have persuaded him to leave Burnley to comes to us already then I'd have to tip my hat to Purslow and the board.
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Howard Hodgson has money, as does Daniel Craig. I know who stands a better chance of getting off with Halle Berry.
Well she's obviously going to go for the ginger haired guy although given her mum's a Scouser it might be less of a novelty.
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Get Dyche, make a statement and for fucks sake give him the DoF he wants and let’s build something decent.
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Going to Belgium league does currently seem to be our solution of choice. Could see the current hierarchy going to the Duplo league for a potential next manager of choice. Justification may be that they’re working with players they’re familiar with.
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Getting the DOF the manager/ head coach wants is the tail wagging the dog.
Part of the reason for getting Suso was to avoid the churn and complete rebuilding job needed every time we change manager.
Suso should walk because of our dismal business last summer. But it's still better having a DOF and not entrusting the family silver to a guy who could be gone in 6-12 months.
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I know this view is unpopular, but Smith is a proven Championship manager. I’d give him next season to get us back and then bin him either way. Was previously thinking I’d give him another crack at the Prem if he can get us back there, but not anymore. I’d prefer him to resign than be sacked, but I doubt he will. 4 year deal, why would you?
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What is he proven at? I don’t want to suggest he’s useless at that level because that’s unfair. But it’s wrong to state that prior to Jack coming back we were never getting into the playoffs. Our form was dreadful at times. And Brentford have improved after he’s left. Keeping him now would be a huge mistake.
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I know this view is unpopular, but Smith is a proven Championship manager. I’d give him next season to get us back and then bin him either way. Was previously thinking I’d give him another crack at the Prem if he can get us back there, but not anymore. I’d prefer him to resign than be sacked, but I doubt he will. 4 year deal, why would you?
Hey Robbo, only an opinion and fair play. Personally I would be worried about Dean back in the championship. Some terms get thrown around in football, such as “club too big” now I’m not saying this is the case, however after this season the pressure to succeed will be enormous for Dean. Could he handle it? His record in the championship is not that great, granted with Brentford (who might come up) but apart from beating us, and making Brentford into a solid championship outfit, that’s it. I feel sorry for Dean, but as head coach he, and not just him, has failed.
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I know this view is unpopular, but Smith is a proven Championship manager. I’d give him next season to get us back and then bin him either way. Was previously thinking I’d give him another crack at the Prem if he can get us back there, but not anymore. I’d prefer him to resign than be sacked, but I doubt he will. 4 year deal, why would you?
I have sympathy with this argument.
A few weeks back I was leaning towards binning him if we stay up (our shortcomings this season have been there for all to see) but sticking with him if we did go down. Knows that division, had us and Brentford playing decent football in it.
But ultimately I can't shake the logic that if you're the manager/ head coach responsible for Aston Villa being relegated you should walk the plank.
This isn't a Burnley/WBA/ Norwich-style two-bob outfit where relegation is an occupational hazard and should be accepted with good grace.
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We need someone whose going to take this club and playing group by the scruff of the neck. Instil standards that are a minimum expectation for a club of our stature and don’t let those standards drop, develop a specific culture around the club with a clear vision for both the short and long term goals.
This ain’t going to be Dean Smith.
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I think stick with Dean tbh. He knows the squad and where it went wrong and what needs to be done to fix it. He is also a good manager at that level.
I'd say we've got a group that'd do OK in the Championship and probably finish around the play-offs. If we can add 3-4 experienced heads and a Jack replacement we should be in the promotion mix.
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If he knows the squad and where we are going wrong why are we playing such shit football. Before Grealish came back in we were more likely to be relegated to the third than promotion. No thanks he had his chance.
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precisely nobody should be rewarded for failure on this scale.
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I know this view is unpopular, but Smith is a proven Championship manager. I’d give him next season to get us back and then bin him either way. Was previously thinking I’d give him another crack at the Prem if he can get us back there, but not anymore. I’d prefer him to resign than be sacked, but I doubt he will. 4 year deal, why would you?
I have sympathy with this argument.
A few weeks back I was leaning towards binning him if we stay up (our shortcomings this season have been there for all to see) but sticking with him if we did go down. Knows that division, had us and Brentford playing decent football in it.
But ultimately I can't shake the logic that if you're the manager/ head coach responsible for Aston Villa being relegated you should walk the plank.
This isn't a Burnley/WBA/ Norwich-style two-bob outfit where relegation is an occupational hazard and should be accepted with good grace.
I’ve pretty much been off the camp to keep him no matter what, all season for all the reasons stated. I also think he’s had some cards stacked against him with some of the signings which probably weren’t his (Trez, Nakamba, the January signings). I’ve also said all season if we finish 17th we’ve achieved the objective and that can be considered relative successive, however unlikely that looks at the moment, it is still achievable....just.
However, since just before lockdown, he’s looked a bit lost and the ridgidity post lockdown, sticking with some of the same players that stink the place out, but more its the same patterns of play, reactive substitutions at virtually the same time each game. The
Unwillingness in the face of now pretty much certain relegation to do anything different, e.g. give Vassilev a go from the start, put a couple of kids (Archer and Barrie) on the bench. All of this makes me think now sadly and with a heavy heart after last years success, if and when we go down in this fashion, without the required fight and passion from the players, which they need to own but should be instilled by the manager/coach and tactical nous and bravery from the manager/coach, then he should go once the inevitable is confirmed.
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I know this view is unpopular, but Smith is a proven Championship manager. I’d give him next season to get us back and then bin him either way. Was previously thinking I’d give him another crack at the Prem if he can get us back there, but not anymore. I’d prefer him to resign than be sacked, but I doubt he will. 4 year deal, why would you?
I have sympathy with this argument.
A few weeks back I was leaning towards binning him if we stay up (our shortcomings this season have been there for all to see) but sticking with him if we did go down. Knows that division, had us and Brentford playing decent football in it.
But ultimately I can't shake the logic that if you're the manager/ head coach responsible for Aston Villa being relegated you should walk the plank.
This isn't a Burnley/WBA/ Norwich-style two-bob outfit where relegation is an occupational hazard and should be accepted with good grace.
I wouldn’t want to play us down either and appreciate that ‘We are Aston Villa’, but on the other hand, it’s coming up for ten seasons since we even finished in the top half of this league.
It isn’t a case of simply accepting relegation but understanding there are several mitigating circumstances to it.
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Luke, you are correct in that there are several elements to this relegation but surely you admit that Smith is a huge factor in that too?
In terms of the posts integrated, Dean being a proven Championship Manager, Thomas Frank has done better with Brentford than Dean did. It is a highly arguable point too.
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The time to change was Christmas/ new year, but for better or worse- worse probably, we didn’t. Think he’ll be there next season and think he owes us now to get back up. I reckon he will too.
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I’m sure every Football Manager who’s ever been sacked can point to mitigation’s as to why he’s failed but you’ve still failed. It’s brutal for Dean but he’s been shown up this season as not being good enough and it’s time for him to depart.
As for his replacement, god only knows, but please not a Manager or coach who doesn’t have the balls or size of personality required for the job. I realise Aston Villa maybe doesn’t currently have the cache it once had as a top half Premier League name but the whole club is set up to be that and it needs someone with that vision and mentality.
In my view there is no British Manager who fulfils that criteria currently.
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Dean Smith had one job to do. Finish in the top seventeen in the league. If he fails in doing that he has to go.
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Another point which frustrates the hell out of me, is the Smith-faithful's argument that he's been dealt a bad hand with his squad.
Are you telling me that ANY manager worth his salt is seriously going to sit by a let the club bring in players that he doesn't want? Garbage. He'd at the very least of been allowed to run the rule over them before agreeing to any purchase. And surely, a manager would be able to figure out his best 11 over the course of a year?!
Another one is 'Give him another chance in the Championship - He's proven at that level'. No he isn't!
We were rotten in that league without Grealish in the side (which we will be next season), and Brentford are waaaay better since he left. There's NO defense that he's good enough to even get us competing a division lower.
We should have cut our losses at Christmas and got a proven manager in - a Pearson or Allardyce, who would have steadied the ship, secured our league place, and allow us to build from there. As it stands, we'll now be asset stripped of any players worth a bob or two, and be left with a husk of a squad that has no chance of competing at that level.
I'm fearful that we're sleep walking into a Sunderland/Portsmouth/Coventry/Sheffield Wednesday type affair if we're not careful. :(
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If there is one bad hand he has been dealt, it was losing Heaton, McGinn and Wesley.
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If there is one bad hand he has been dealt, it was losing Heaton, McGinn and Wesley.
Fair point. GK should have been covered by Steer (I'd have given him #1 this season after his heroics last season), McGinn was out of form before his injury, so no loss there imo, and Wesley.. .well. We all knew we'd come unstuck just signing one unproven, striker for a whole Premier League campaign, so I have ZERO sympathy for him there.
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Luke, you are correct in that there are several elements to this relegation but surely you admit that Smith is a huge factor in that too?
In terms of the posts integrated, Dean being a proven Championship Manager, Thomas Frank has done better with Brentford than Dean did. It is a highly arguable point too.
Smith is absolutely a factor. There are a lot of areas where Smith has made mistakes and could have done better and he should be accountable for that. But, as I said, I think there have also be a lot of others factors that have also had a significant impact on the season that mean it’s a bit simplistic to just say he should be sacked because we get relegated (if we do of course!)
Personally, I think there is a decent amount to be said for continuity in football. When you factor in the other circumstances regarding our performance this season, and look at the positive aspects of Smith’s time here, then I wouldn’t be unhappy to see him still in charge next season.
Re - Brentford. They are a bit of an unique club, so not necessarily straightforward to compare managers, but, and obviously we will never know, they were looking pretty good before Smith left last season.
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DS will have a voice on who we signed but his wouldn’t have been the only one, the game has changed, signings are made by committee now.
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Luke, you are correct in that there are several elements to this relegation but surely you admit that Smith is a huge factor in that too?
In terms of the posts integrated, Dean being a proven Championship Manager, Thomas Frank has done better with Brentford than Dean did. It is a highly arguable point too.
Smith is absolutely a factor. There are a lot of areas where Smith has made mistakes and could have done better and he should be accountable for that. But, as I said, I think there have also be a lot of others factors that have also had a significant impact on the season that mean it’s a bit simplistic to just say he should be sacked because we get relegated (if we do of course!)
Personally, I think there is a decent amount to be said for continuity in football. When you factor in the other circumstances regarding our performance this season, and look at the positive aspects of Smith’s time here, then I wouldn’t be unhappy to see him still in charge next season.
Re - Brentford. They are a bit of an unique club, so not necessarily straightforward to compare managers, but, and obviously we will never know, they were looking pretty good before Smith left last season.
What are these positive factors you mention Luke8? Barring getting lucky with promotion, I'm not seeing it?
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I think stick with Dean tbh. He knows the squad and where it went wrong and what needs to be done to fix it. He is also a good manager at that level.
I'd say we've got a group that'd do OK in the Championship and probably finish around the play-offs. If we can add 3-4 experienced heads and a Jack replacement we should be in the promotion mix.
Nah. Can’t afford to do ‘ok’ in the Championship. Need to finish in the top 2. No pissing about
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If there is one bad hand he has been dealt, it was losing Heaton, McGinn and Wesley.
Fair point. GK should have been covered by Steer (I'd have given him #1 this season after his heroics last season), McGinn was out of form before his injury, so no loss there imo, and Wesley.. .well. We all knew we'd come unstuck just signing one unproven, striker for a whole Premier League campaign, so I have ZERO sympathy for him there.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Steer come in to replace Heaton and get injured as well? McGinn was a massive loss, regardless of his form. As for Wesley. yes, we should have bought in another striker as well as him.
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DS will have a voice on who we signed but his wouldn’t have been the only one, the game has changed, signings are made by committee now.
I'd say thats partially down to the personality of the manager too. Smith comes across as a nice bloke, but very much a 'yes' man. You get someone in there with the personality of a Benitez, Pearson or Allardyce, and I'm pretty sure they'd make their feelings known if they didn't want a player.
We need a manager that's going to take this club by the scruff of the neck, and give it a kick up the arse into the 21st Century. Dean Smith is not that man (and not saying that any of the 3 above would be either - Though I wouldn't say no to Benitez, Purslow issues aside!).
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One of the reasons he’s head coach and not manager is down to the change in method of recruiting players.
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Committee or not Smith would have known the budget and agreed to let all those players leave in full knowledge what the turnover to budget ratio would be. 2/3 could have been kept to allow for more quality if that’s a real concern.
If he really wanted Benrhama or Maupay then you asses their cost and cut your cloth with a few less departures. I dare say his voice got the casting vote on all decisions (at least it should have). But we rushed and let players go within a week of promotion.
Cahill is another who seemed like a no brainer which we lacked the brains to follow up.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
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DS will have a voice on who we signed but his wouldn’t have been the only one, the game has changed, signings are made by committee now.
Yes the days of letting someone like O'Neil have full control are over.
I find some of the arguments for Smith perplexing ..Keeping him he knows the Championship .So does Bruce or Neil Warnock and im sure any attempts to employee them wouldn't be met with much positivity.
Smith in the championship was know for having an entertaining side but they conceded too many goals which is why he never got close to the play'off's where as his replacement has them challenging for the top 2.
Also we need to give managers more time ..Of our recent managers only RDM I think we could say should of had more time and I only say that as he got 10 games or so with a team he didn't put together with a backroom team he didn't put together and even then its a fine line as his time post Chelsea in management as been poor.The reality as far as I can see is we as a club for years now have employed the wrong managers. I also include MON in that as with the cash he had at the time he should of done better and his control of the transfer policy led to our downfall and relegation.
In terms of a new boss Dyche sticks out but other clubs seem to pick up decent managers no one has herd of here.Franks at Brentford , Wagner , Farke to name a few.Leeds picked up Bielsa so I think top managers can be attracted it just needs the right knowledge at board level which is what worries me.
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Committee or not Smith would have known the budget and agreed to let all those players leave in full knowledge what the turnover to budget ratio would be. 2/3 could have been kept to allow for more quality if that’s a real concern.
If he really wanted Benrhama or Maupay then you asses their cost and cut your cloth with a few less departures. I dare say his voice got the casting vote on all decisions (at least it should have). But we rushed and let players go within a week of promotion.
Cahill is another who seemed like a no brainer which we lacked the brains to follow up.
Yep, we should have gone for quality not quantity.
Cahill should have been our top priority imo. Yes, it's reported that he didn't want to leave London, but with the Villa and Chelsea/John Terry links (and a hefty chunk of cash), I'm sure something could have been done. Mings would have undoubtedly benefitted having an old, assured head by his side, and would stand him in good stead for the future.
Maupay was another one. Imagine the interplay we could have had between him and Jack?!
Such as waste of money and a season. :(
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
Axel
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In considering the pros and cons of the manager and this season, I'd say that - since the manager is ultimately accountable for the outcomes on the field - these are the key issues:
* team readiness to compete (appropriate players picked game by game, team and individual motivation)
* fitness and condition of the players
* ability to prevent goals being conceded (defence of set pieces being a large part of the game)
* ability to exploit our own set pieces (particularly with a player that wins so many)
* tactical adaptability
* contingency planning for player unavailability
On all of these, no one would score Smith at 100% and on many he would not achieve an 'acceptable' score.
Consider how Wilder might be scored on these factors, for comparison.
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The argument for retaining Smith is purely pragmatic, we need to get this group of players (or something close to them) back up immediately. He did it 12 months ago.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
Axel
I miss his song.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
Axel
Forgot him. Yes, he probably would.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
I can’t see Whelan doing any worse than Nakamba, I can’t see Elphick doing much worse than Engels, I can’t see Adomah being much worse than Trez. There’s about £35million there. None of them are world beaters but did we really get that much if an upgrade on what are essentially squad fillers.
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The argument for retaining Smith is purely pragmatic, we need to get this group of players (or something close to them) back up immediately. He did it 12 months ago.
Then, at best, we would be no better than we were at the start of this disastrous season.
We need someone to take us up AND be good enough in the Premier League. If we are happy just to be a yoyo club then we should appoint Neil Warnock, he has a far better record in the second tier than Dean Smith.
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I can imagine the meltdown on here had we gone into this season with Adomah, Whelan and Elphick in the side.
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We didn't have to sign good players to stay up. Average ones would have done it. Or even below average. Trouble is we signed mainly crap.
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But Warnock hasn’t got this bunch of players up playing Dean Smiths style of football.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
I can’t see Whelan doing any worse than Nakamba, I can’t see Elphick doing much worse than Engels, I can’t see Adomah being much worse than Trez. There’s about £35million there. None of them are world beaters but did we really get that much if an upgrade on what are essentially squad fillers.
Come on, we all watch games, that group along with Jedinak and Hutton were never going to cut it, as evidenced by what they are doing now.
The recruitment was poor but those named still needed replacing, but with better scouted players than we got.
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I can imagine the meltdown on here had we gone into this season with Adomah, Whelan and Elphick in the side.
Not in the side in the squad. Benrhama, Maupay, Axel them come in as you’ve just saved £35mill.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
I can’t see Whelan doing any worse than Nakamba, I can’t see Elphick doing much worse than Engels, I can’t see Adomah being much worse than Trez. There’s about £35million there. None of them are world beaters but did we really get that much if an upgrade on what are essentially squad fillers.
Come on, we all watch games, that group along with Jedinak and Hutton were never going to cut it, as evidenced by what they are doing now.
The recruitment was poor but those named still needed replacing, but with better scouted players than we got.
I’ll admit this part is hindsight but I’m simply suggesting that if the spread on 13 players across £140 million was too great and your targets were all out of reach then you have to adjust the incoming numbers down to make it work. Squad is important but first XI takes priority. I agree it would have been a risk and many would’ve moaned (me included probably) but this is their job after all.
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I can imagine the meltdown on here had we gone into this season with Adomah, Whelan and Elphick in the side.
Not in the side in the squad. Benrhama, Maupay, Axel them come in as you’ve just saved £35mill.
You can probably only afford one of those players with £35 million though. So then you’ve quite likely got two of those you mentioned playing around twenty games this season. Which I think it’s fair to say wouldn’t have gone well.
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Sticking with Smith next season would be madness.
He’s lost most of the fans.
He’s lost most of the players.
There is no way he would get us promoted without Jack.
Week after week we can see that he cannot coach, motivate, adapt, do tactics etc.
We have had some poor managers over the years. But he comes close to being top of the pile.
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If you sign Maupay you don’t then need Samatta in January. So in total the spend saved is approx £50 million.
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I see Steer’s name mentioned above. What the hell has happened to him? Wasn’t he meant to be back in January?!
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If you sign Maupay you don’t then need Samatta in January. So in total the spend saved is approx £50 million.
What if Maupay had got injured like Wesley did?
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If you sign Maupay you don’t then need Samatta in January. So in total the spend saved is approx £50 million.
You would if he’d have broken his leg.
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I see Steer’s name mentioned above. What the hell has happened to him? Wasn’t he meant to be back in January?!
He's been out with achilles injury...
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11980371/aston-villas-jed-steer-discusses-return-to-fitness-during-lockdown#:~:text=When%20Aston%20Villa%20goalkeeper%20Jed,of%20the%20injured%20Tom%20Heaton. (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11980371/aston-villas-jed-steer-discusses-return-to-fitness-during-lockdown#:~:text=When%20Aston%20Villa%20goalkeeper%20Jed,of%20the%20injured%20Tom%20Heaton.)
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You get a loan to buy in if we stayed up and cross your fingers. It’s not a perfect solution but we’re going down as it is. Do you think we’d have had a better chance of playing PL football with Cahill/Axel, Maupay and Benrhama starting 30+ games this season?
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Even if you believe that we should keep Smith because you think he knows the Championship and will get us straight back up - what then? Do you also believe that he will then demonstrate all he has learned this year and firmly entrench us in the Premied League - because I don't.
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It’s as obvious as the nose on your face who the next manager needs to be
Forget Sean Dyche, there’s not a chance in hell he is voluntarily dropping out of the Prem, why would he do that? The West Ham job would be a far more appealing prospect, stay in the Prem or drop down to Villa in the Championship? Wtf seriously.
Nigel Farage will get us out.
100% he will get us out of the Championship first season and into League 1, but he will do so for less than the £140m we wasted this year.
Stevie Wonder comes in as DOF. Improve upon the Samatta and Drinkwater acquisitions will be his objective. Tough I know but I think he’s up for it. In fact, better still, stick Stevie up front instead.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
I can’t see Whelan doing any worse than Nakamba, I can’t see Elphick doing much worse than Engels, I can’t see Adomah being much worse than Trez. There’s about £35million there. None of them are world beaters but did we really get that much if an upgrade on what are essentially squad fillers.
Come on, we all watch games, that group along with Jedinak and Hutton were never going to cut it, as evidenced by what they are doing now.
The recruitment was poor but those named still needed replacing, but with better scouted players than we got.
Think we lost a huge amount of leadership in the dressing room though, probably why we kept Chester around for six months even though we knew he wouldn't be up to playing in premier league (he's been awful at Stoke btw).
We should've used the loan market to get in an older head or two on loan for the season. Clubs higher up in the league use it, Leicester for example signed Bennett from Wolves in January on loan. He's someone I'd look at if they don't sign him permanently as he's obviously much better than Hause.
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Cam retweeted it, the scamp.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
I can’t see Whelan doing any worse than Nakamba, I can’t see Elphick doing much worse than Engels, I can’t see Adomah being much worse than Trez. There’s about £35million there. None of them are world beaters but did we really get that much if an upgrade on what are essentially squad fillers.
NaKamba has been the worst of the lot IMO
I thought Engels was decent to start with but the fallout with DS didn’t help neither did the spurs game. He is much better than Elphick in my view and should be ok in the champs
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There's no way Nakamba has been the worst of the lot. Terrible shout.
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Tammy aside, who left whom would have made any kind of difference do you think?
i think we slipped up not getting Tuanzebe back. Tammy would’ve been great, but wasn’t feasible. Axel I reckon we could have got.
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Nakamba has been ok.
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You get a loan to buy in if we stayed up and cross your fingers. It’s not a perfect solution but we’re going down as it is. Do you think we’d have had a better chance of playing PL football with Cahill/Axel, Maupay and Benrhama starting 30+ games this season?
Possibly, but recruitment isn’t as simple as that. I mean, I’m not sure as the selling club, you agree to that loan to buy deal for a start. Also, sort of ignores factors like Cahill wanting to stay in London, Manchester United telling Axel he was going to get game time etc.
Plus, you get Benrahma for about the same price as the three wide players we got. So it’s not just about him playing thirty games, you’ve probably got Andre Green playing thirty as well then.
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Nakamba isn’t far off it. Currently I’d have Trez ahead with Samatta and Wes battling it out for 2nd. Also a special mention for the £15m we spunked on Matt Targett.
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You get a loan to buy in if we stayed up and cross your fingers. It’s not a perfect solution but we’re going down as it is. Do you think we’d have had a better chance of playing PL football with Cahill/Axel, Maupay and Benrhama starting 30+ games this season?
Possibly, but recruitment isn’t as simple as that. I mean, I’m not sure as the selling club, you agree to that loan to buy deal for a start. Also, sort of ignores factors like Cahill wanting to stay in London, Manchester United telling Axel he was going to get game time etc.
Plus, you get Benrahma for about the same price as the three wide players we got. So it’s not just about him playing thirty games, you’ve probably got Andre Green playing thirty as well then.
Cahill would’ve come if we made a good enough offer, Axel as 2nd cab. You still have AEG so he’d just be instead of Trez. Loan to buy is hard but so is buying 13 players for £140m and staying up.
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NaKamba can’t tackle, pass or shoot. He has no pace and fails to do the one job he is paid to do - Break up the opposition play and protect the defence. Severely limited. In my mind when I think of him all I can see is a five yard sideways pass. He offers nothing. The defence rightly gets criticised but the likes of NaKamba offer no protection.
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Nobody knows whether Cahill would have come. Maybe he's settled in London? Also guaranteed if we had signed him people would have been slagging him off as the new Richards/Lescott before he had kicked a ball.
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Nakamba isn’t far off it. Currently I’d have Trez ahead with Samatta and Wes battling it out for 2nd. Also a special mention for the £15m we spunked on Matt Targett.
I will give Samatta a free pass this season. Arrived in Jan and looked good. The break for Covid hasn’t helped him one bit being new to the country. He now gets zero service. I think he could come good next season certainly in the champs
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An orange chip on each shoulder.
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There's no way Nakamba has been the worst of the lot. Terrible shout.
It was a key position to sort out though and he looks pretty substandard, too easy for players to run pass, mediocre passing etc.
I would be amazed in 3-4 years if he's playing for a CL team like Gana is now. Luiz will be a more prominent player in european football in that timespan than Nakamba.
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It doesn't make him worse than £25 million Wesley who never scores or £10 million Trezeguet, the shittest tribute act of all time.
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NaKamba can’t tackle, pass or shoot. He has no pace and fails to do the one job he is paid to do - Break up the opposition play and protect the defence. Severely limited. In my mind when I think of him all I can see is a five yard sideways pass. He offers nothing. The defence rightly gets criticised but the likes of NaKamba offer no protection.
harsh, but fair assessment. He’s disappointed this season.
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Aww how sweet. They do love us afterall!
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NaKamba can’t tackle, pass or shoot. He has no pace and fails to do the one job he is paid to do - Break up the opposition play and protect the defence. Severely limited. In my mind when I think of him all I can see is a five yard sideways pass. He offers nothing. The defence rightly gets criticised but the likes of NaKamba offer no protection.
Agreed. He is awful. Also goes completely missing in lots of games where you can see he doesn’t want to touch the ball.
I’d put him joint top with Trez, Wesley and Targett. They are all rubbish. Or is it the case the manager can’t get a tune out of them...?
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They keep telling themselves we aren't a big club and yet, when they're having back to back decent seasons for the first time since JFK got shot, all they want to talk about is Aston Villa.
You're not really disproving the point there lads.
Hi, by the way. 👋
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Molineux Mix has an 80 PAGE thread about Aston Villa finances. 80 pages! I love looking at the financial side of things, and obviously support Aston Villa, but even I'm not that obsessed! Have we ever had a single Wolves thread about anything? Dingle tramps.
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=56692.0
But your point's still valid. There's one Wolves fan where I live and he comes in to cheer on Blues or whoever's playing against the Villa.
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Just to stand a chance of being singled out on there. I think we should go all out for Klopp, who has now won all he needs to with Liverpool so will be desperate for a new challenge. Guardiola looks fed up at City as well, so he can come in as number two. If Alex Ferguson needs some pin money he'd be great as Director of Football.
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Just to stand a chance of being singled out on there. I think we should go all out for Klopp, who has now won all he needs to with Liverpool so will be desperate for a new challenge. Guardiola looks fed up at City as well, so he can come in as number two. If Alex Ferguson needs some pin money he'd be great as Director of Football.
You know, you're talking a lot of sense.........
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I think the one that’s pissed me off most this season is Guilbert. Looked great when he first came in, but can’t even get a start now.
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Just to stand a chance of being singled out on there. I think we should go all out for Klopp, who has now won all he needs to with Liverpool so will be desperate for a new challenge. Guardiola looks fed up at City as well, so he can come in as number two. If Alex Ferguson needs some pin money he'd be great as Director of Football.
We could have a seance with Billy Wright as spiritual director of football and expect some inspirational insights like, it’s a game of 2 halves.
And has anyone seen Puskas.
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Molineux Mix has an 80 PAGE thread about Aston Villa finances. 80 pages! I love looking at the financial side of things, and obviously support Aston Villa, but even I'm not that obsessed! Have we ever had a single Wolves thread about anything? Dingle tramps.
They are aching for our attention to give themselves a sense of pupose. Even their local rivals care more about us than what they do them. Their club is in the best place its been for decades but the reality is its a dull club in a dull City so they never get the plaudits that they think that they deserve from the media.
Us being shit will always be more newsworthy than them being good and they can't get their heads around that.
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It doesn't make him worse than £25 million Wesley who never scores or £10 million Trezeguet, the shittest tribute act of all time.
Wesley - £22m and scored 6 goals before Mee crippled him.
Trez - I agree; worse than the worst Mudd Christmas tribute band.
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Wolverhampton is a Town isn't it? Didn't the Jewel of the Slagheaps get knocked back when it applied for City status? IIRC the honour was given to a proper place like Hove or Basingstoke.
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Just to stand a chance of being singled out on there. I think we should go all out for Klopp, who has now won all he needs to with Liverpool so will be desperate for a new challenge. Guardiola looks fed up at City as well, so he can come in as number two. If Alex Ferguson needs some pin money he'd be great as Director of Football.
I reckon we could definitely persuade Sarri to take on the U21 side. Not sure he can do much more with Juventus. Wonder if he could convince Cristiano Ronaldo to come to us for a couple of seasons after he joins?
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Not for me, Ronaldo isn't adaptable enough. Doesn't offer much defensively. Elmo is a better allround bet.
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
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Poch for academy director. He's still out of a job, right?
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
Yeah, it's hard to deny them the success. After decades upon decades of nothingness, it's nice to see a plucky underdog doing well. I think they're like a new Bournemouth.
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They are aching for our attention to give themselves a sense of pupose. Even their local rivals care more about us than what they do them. Their club is in the best place its been for decades but the reality is its a dull club in a dull City so they never get the plaudits that they think that they deserve from the media.
Us being shit will always be more newsworthy than them being good and they can't get their heads around that.
The Small Time Alliance website is full of qualified accountants who seem to know all about our finances. Obviously Wolves have a lot of supporters who are accountants too. Obviously having six fingers on each hand helps them to count better than most.
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They've done very well, no doubt about it. Hopefully the lifelong "supporters" they have acquired along the way will stick with them next time they get relegated.
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
Yeah, it's hard to deny them the success. After decades upon decades of nothingness, it's nice to see a plucky underdog doing well. I think they're like a new Bournemouth.
It's amazing think how quickly things can turn for a club when they have the right manager and make smart decisions.
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I'm pleased for them. It can't be easy living in Cannock or Telford so it's good to see them having something positive happen for a change. I'd put them finishing in the top half of the league in the same bracket as Leicester winning the title.
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
Yeah, it's hard to deny them the success. After decades upon decades of nothingness, it's nice to see a plucky underdog doing well. I think they're like a new Bournemouth.
It's amazing think how quickly things can turn for a club when they have the right manager and make smart decisions.
Spot on
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I don't mind them, they're a decent team to watch with some decent players and a very good manager.
I can honestly say, though, that beyond admiration of the way they've played the last couple of seasons, I don't have much more to say about them.
It'd be like getting all angry about Forest or Derby - they're in the vague local area but not hated rivals.
The way their fans - and it is probably disproportionately the new ones they've acquired the last 2 or 3 years - go on about us, though, I find bewildering.
They've basically had our last ten years for most of the last 60 years or so. If that was me, I'd be concentrating on enjoying the good times rather than manufacturing some new hated rivalry.
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The day I give a toss about Wolves - fans opinion or results - is the day I pack it all up. They weren’t relevant when they were skint pricks and they aren’t now.
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
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After seeing Smith's 'shit or bust' team selection today, I'd go for that old stalwart from the Spanish League, N E Juan.
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It's a solid "no" from me. Sorry, Billy.
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
You're right, that deserves to be shot down in flames like a WWII ME109 over the skies of Birmingham. Shot down in flames, then hung, drawn and quartered, before having any remaining atoms scattered to the four winds. Then buried in a pit with quicklime just to be sure.
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I'll put Risso down as an "undecided".
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
Respectfully Billy, I'm sure you're a good bloke and all, but that's bollocks.
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It's a solid "no" from me. Sorry, Billy.
Ha! Fair enough CD. My views change on an hour to hour, day to day basis, I must admit. I think we are a couple of decent strikers and one or two prem quality squad fillers away from being a solid mid table Premier League outfit. The main question I ask myself is: "Is it worth ditching Deano and rebooting all over again when it's just a matter of adding a bit more quality to the squad?"
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It's a solid "no" from me. Sorry, Billy.
Ha! Fair enough CD. My views change on an hour to hour, day to day basis, I must admit. I think we are a couple of decent strikers and one or two prem quality squad fillers away from being a solid mid table Premier League outfit. The main question I ask myself is: "Is it worth ditching Deano and rebooting all over again when it's just a matter of adding a bit more quality to the squad?"
If there was any sign over the last 12 months Dean knew what to do with them, I'd agree but sadly there isn't.
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I think keeping Smith would be a sign that failure is acceptable at the club. You go down, you get sacked, as far as I'm concerned. I want a manager who can get us up, make us competitive at the top end of the Premier League and still be Villa manager in ten years. To do what Taylor might have done if sodding England hadn't got in the way.
Not sure who, though. I'm also in the camp of changing my mind every ten minutes, mate.
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
You're right, that deserves to be shot down in flames like a WWII ME109 over the skies of Birmingham. Shot down in flames, then hung, drawn and quartered, before having any remaining atoms scattered to the four winds. Then buried in a pit with quicklime just to be sure.
You have me chuckling away here, Risso - I'll put it down to the very strong coffee I've been drinking!
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I genuinely have no opinion nor any idea if Dean Smith will get the sack. But if he does I'd love to see Chris Houghton in the role. Actually, I'd love to see Mauricio Pochettino in the role but that might be wishful thinking.
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I genuinely have no opinion nor any idea if Dean Smith will get the sack. But if he does I'd love to see Chris Houghton in the role.
I can only assume it's because you share the same name. It's one thing to have a safe pair of hands, it's quite another to fall asleep watching.
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I'm against Hughton just because I can't be arsed to keep correcting the spelling of his name seven hundred times per day.
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
Respectfully Billy, I'm sure you're a good bloke and all, but that's bollocks.
Careful with that sort of chat. He may have seen Villa in the 3rd division and demand to be shown RESPECT. ;)
I agree with Billy on the team likely not needing much in the Championship but not his managerial "solution".
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
You're right, that deserves to be shot down in flames like a WWII ME109 over the skies of Birmingham. Shot down in flames, then hung, drawn and quartered, before having any remaining atoms scattered to the four winds. Then buried in a pit with quicklime just to be sure.
Not sure the ME109 would have the range to get to Birmingham and back 😉
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Klopp as manager, Guardiola as his assistant and Poch as DoF.
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Shankly for me with Clough as DoF
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
Same here, they’ve done really well. And it’s fantastic to see all their local fans stop supporting Man Utd etc and return to following them. Now they are good.
I remember being in a pub and a gobshite was cheering a goal for Man City against us, after the usual eye roll I asked ‘Blues or Albion?’
‘No mate, I’m Man City, diehard I am mate, watch every game on the telly I do’
Smelling a rat of gargantuan proportions I baited the peg with ‘that’s great, you’ve done really well after so many years of shit, who did you used to support?’
‘Wolves’
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Didn't Wolves last have a decent team and support in the 50s or am I thinking of West Brom?
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Wolves play good football. I like Nuno. They've done really well, fair play to them.
And I mean that.
Same here, they’ve done really well. And it’s fantastic to see all their local fans stop supporting Man Utd etc and return to following them. Now they are good.
I remember being in a pub and a gobshite was cheering a goal for Man City against us, after the usual eye roll I asked ‘Blues or Albion?’
‘No mate, I’m Man City, diehard I am mate, watch every game on the telly I do’
Smelling a rat of gargantuan proportions I baited the peg with ‘that’s great, you’ve done really well after so many years of shit, who did you used to support?’
‘Wolves’
I used to work with a guy from wolverhampton who was a Chelsea fan and insisted he'd been a fan since he was a kid. After about 18months of us all thinking he was talking out of his arse he eventually admitted he had been a Wolves fan until Chelsea sign Gullit. I guarantee he'll be a lifelong Wolves fan again now.
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One of my closest mates is a Wolves fan that jumped on the Leeds bandwagon when they were in the Champions League and has been back on the Wolves bandwagon since the Chineese rolled into town. Theres a ****** I went to school with that 'supported' Man Utd, now on facebook after every post he signs it off with 'Wolves ay we'. As far as weird fan bases go, nobody comes close to them.
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Probably explains how they have added 50% to their attendances in four years, the absolute part-time, fairweather twats.
👋 hello again.
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I'm gonna get shot down in flames for this but how's about we keep Deano and bring in Big Sam to replace Suso? Sam knows exactly the kind of players we would need to be bringing in to get up and stay up and between him and Deano continuity for the overarching rebuild can be maintained? Replace John Terry with some top class coaches and, all of a sudden, behind the scenes things are looking tighter and sharper. We don't need a huge reset, just crucial tweaks in certain areas.
Had we needed to pull the plug in January (or even March, as was rumoured) I could have tolerated the big bloater on a short term basis, with a very clear mission.
But not two > three seasons of that bilge.
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Molineux Mix has an 80 PAGE thread about Aston Villa finances. 80 pages! I love looking at the financial side of things, and obviously support Aston Villa, but even I'm not that obsessed! Have we ever had a single Wolves thread about anything? Dingle tramps.
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=56692.0
But your point's still valid. There's one Wolves fan where I live and he comes in to cheer on Blues or whoever's playing against the Villa.
top tip: shut your front door 😉
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Can we please stop discussing them, otherwise we’ll top their 80 pages about us.
They’re irrelevant.
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https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/206257-villas-finances-and-ffp/
Just the 16 pages from a Bristol city forum!
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40 pages from Sunderland.
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/aston-villa-splashing-the-cash.1479139/page-40
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I knew literally 1 Wolves fan growing up amongst countless Blose, Stripeys, Man Ure, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' etc. They were utterly irrelevant to me then and still are now. They are like Leicester or Derby but just with worse accents.
So if you're reading this thread get that into ya you stalking Dingle twat.
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I bet you'd kill for their league position right now.
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40 pages from Sunderland.
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/aston-villa-splashing-the-cash.1479139/page-40
A quick look suggests that there are a few bods on there who haven't looked at league tables in a fair few years.
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I bet you'd kill for their league position right now.
Cheerful little soul, aren't you?
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meaning what exactly? Are you seriously suggesting you wouldn't want to be where they are now instead of the threat of relegation? Go an insult someone else.
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meaning what exactly? Are you seriously suggesting you wouldn't want to be where they are now instead of the threat of relegation? Go an insult someone else.
Sorry. I should have realised by now that you don't do brevity.