How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[Brassneck]

Why would I want us relegated?

I've said numerous times that I couldn't give a shit about any of this other than Villa staying up.  I probably want us to stay up more than most do - Even you Mr Woodhall.

I've thought it through for hours, I've even worked out the average points for each of the bottom 6 (yes I know I'm sad).  However, I cannot believe that people have just been giving out the template "void it" for the past month, without even thinking about other options or the arguments of other clubs.  When I point this out, it seems to touch a nerve for some reason.

Maybe if you didn't shout down everyone who puts forward an idea that would result in anything except us getting relegated, while at the same time claiming moral superiority over the rest of us, eyebrows wouldn't be raised and nerves would remain untouched.

Didn't realise I'd shouted any ideas down.  Voiding it is a perfectly reasonable idea and one we all hope happens.   Where have I "shouted it down"?  Where have I shouted anything down in fact?

I don't claim any moral superiority - I have none, I just want us to stay up at all costs morals don't even come into it.  Where have I claimed moral superiority?

It's a discussion on Covid19 and its effects.  I am discussing all options as it interests me. 

Every time anyone suggests anything else you jump on it and say it's only because what they're saying would keep the Villa up and you're different to all that. Every single time.  Perhaps you should give it a rest.

Every time?

Excluding this page, I've just gone back over 2 the previous pages.  I've made 5 posts and far from being "every time", I haven't said that once. 

Of course people are going to say what solution keeps Villa up is best, just like teams like Albion are going to say the opposite.  I really don't see what the big issue with brushing this under the carpet is?

[dave.woodhall]

Won’t voiding it create just as many legal issues involving those who miss out?  Or are they to blithely accept it for the good of Aston Villa?

How would you envisage instigating proceedings over a vote you took part in and subsequently lost?

So next to nobody, yet we're to take the poll as if it were God's own word?

You seem to want it both ways here.  Have your views by all means but every single time I suggest there's mileage in playing out the season if safe to do so, I get shot down.  This despite the fact that most football fans want to see the season played out.

People don't like being called blinkered and others "thinking for them" yet that is exactly what they are doing to the PL board and its members.  How can anyone possibly know what is being discussed at board level or what their motives are?  Talk about double standards.

Anyone who thinks the PL & its members are only considering money is being very naive and anyone who thinks that voiding the season is the only solution is blinkered.  You can't escape that.

There are numerous options, some of which haven't even been discussed yet.  Until we know what options are definitely available, it's pointless trying to second guess what the league are doing or what is the best option.

Any fans forum you care to look at.  I'd guess Norwich, Bournemouth, Brighton, Watford & WHU would probably be on our side but overwhelmingly, fans want to see the season played out if safe to do so.  As would we if we were mid table.

I am not hostile to other posters, neither have I pointed the finger at anyone.  You have a few genuine people at every club who put the morals first, then you have a few drama queens and then finally, you have a few who are that blinkered, they might not even realise that there are other valid options.  I have my own opinions on who is who but I keep them to myself.  If I broadcast them, perhaps that would be deemed hostile.

It looks as though if the league is voided we will be relegated, according to UEFA guidelines.

Uefa aren’t the rule setters for domestic competitions are they?

Let’s hope not.  Otherwise we’ll see the biggest U-Turn in H&V history.

Your stance is the same as mine, ie if it can be played out safely then do it.

However, the majority are claiming that voiding the season is the only option.  My point is that they wouldn’t be stating that if our position was better.

The posts are becoming ridiculous. Void the PL but give placings in the Championship in order to promote Leeds?

Mid table sides obviously have massive incentives financially to finish the season. They stand to lose millions in sponsorship and advertising deals, notwithstanding any tv money. Also there is prize money based on league placing.

Paul e.  Your stance is almost the same as mine.  However, if we were 10th, having played the season in a style that we associate to DS, do you think we’d have such an overwhelming clamour on here to void the session?  Or do you think the majority would hope for the opportunity to watch the team play 10 more games on live tv?

I think we both know the answer.

I do know it.

You say you love your football yet you don't want to give clubs the lifeline that is needed for many to survive.

You'd rather clubs go to the wall, destroying the English leagues as we've known them just because the way to survival is (in your opinion) "a souless travesty of what the game should be"?

I have looked over many quotes from fans of other clubs.  The vast majority want the season to play out.  It is only on here that we have the blinkered obsession with voiding it because of our own interests.

Want me to carry on?

[olaftab]

Yes but other than that Brassneck has hardly said a word.....😳

[aev]

Tabloid reckons games could be back within weeks, though only if the 5 lockdown lifting test are met, so not really sure what the new story is.

[stevo_st]

That sounds promising, hopefully the 20/21 pre season training won’t be too badly affected

[aj2k77]

I've said it before, football isn't and cannot be played or calculated on paper. If all games cannot be completed safely then the season must be voided. They have to work out a cut off point that doesn't intrude on next season and bite the bullet. All businesses are losing money, it's the same world wide, the clubs are going to have to accept that and have all players take a cut.

[aev]

Article on cricinfo talks about the joint approach sports are taking.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29094232/uk-government-hands-ecb-lead-viability-bio-secure-sport

[The Edge]

I see the Dutch league has officially voided the season.

[Brassneck]

Yes but other than that Brassneck has hardly said a word.....😳

They're not shouting anyone down though are they?  The majority of them are just pointing out other alternatives.  There are a couple arguing about the merits of a BBC poll but that's about it.

For example, how is: Let’s hope not.  Otherwise we’ll see the biggest U-Turn in H&V history  shouting someone down?

[garyellis]

I've said it before, football isn't and cannot be played or calculated on paper. If all games cannot be completed safely then the season must be voided. They have to work out a cut off point that doesn't intrude on next season and bite the bullet. All businesses are losing money, it's the same world wide, the clubs are going to have to accept that and have all players take a cut.

Totally agree with this the high end of football seems to be trying to operate in a bubble. The economic affect of this virus is being felt throughout the economy and the real pain in economic terms as still yet to come. I think it's disgraceful premier league teams are furloughing staff and playing staff are receiving weekly amounts (for doing nothing) most of us could only dream of.

[Zouch Villa]

Sadly, the decision of how we close out this season will have as much to do with what suits Sky, than what is best for football clubs, players and the public.

Football sold its soul along with the tv rights, and the financial viability of clubs is held in the balance as long as there are potential penalties for not fulfilling all fixtures. Complaining about that now will be hypocritical, given that many have built their whole business model around that principle.

[brian green]

So they deserve to go bust the lot of them.  Just like you and me and everybody else facing this catastrophe.

[Zouch Villa]

So they deserve to go bust the lot of them.  Just like you and me and everybody else facing this catastrophe.

I wouldn’t go quite that far Brian. Just that there will be a lot horse trading to do before they can reach as agreement, but the most likely outcome is that they will find a way to complete the fixtures.

[mr underhill]

no one wants to see any business go bust Brian as a result of a pandemic but I can see a few clubs going if this isn't resolved quickly, and as many others  have said the decision will be in the hands of the authorities - play will only resume once it is safe to do so, behind closed doors or not. interestingly I keep reading about games being played without spectators and broadcast live and free to air. How is that going to work when Sky BT etc have invested fortunes in securing the rights?

[Pete3206]

I find it very unlikely that another ball will be kicked before August, at the very least.