How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[paul_e]

In short, and on the whole, working class kids get working class jobs and the current lockdown we are living through only reinforces this outcome the longer it goes on.

Won't quote the whole thing but this specific line highlights exactly what needs to change as a result of this (and cannot be allowed to return to the status quo). We go out every Thursday and clap for the key workers, we have 2 hours of BBC Sunday evening calling the same key workers heroes for leading the fight against the virus and putting themselves in harms way to protect the country. These people are either the working class unskilled labour force or they're key workers that are absolutely essential to the running of the country.

Don't treat them like the former but then patronise them with hollow platitudes.

If they're key workers and heroes then make sure they earn enough to reflect that and don't need universal credit to top off their piss poor wages. If they're key workers don't allow them to be treated as expendable by companies that want to increase their profits once this is done. If they're heroes don't treat them like dirt when they lose their jobs and need a safety net. If they're heroes that weren't born here lets not thank them for their help and then carry on blaming immigrants for all the problems in the country.

"Working class jobs" are, as we can see in stark relief, no less important or valuable to society than many others so how about we just call them all 'jobs' and the gap between the high and low earners are reduced to reflect the true value to society they provide. This isn't having a go at you by the way, it's having a go at the sorry state of our society which spends 99% of it's time pretending a bunch of jobs are worthless only to clap them when that's proven to be bollocks.

[frank black]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

I disagree, if Germany (who seem to have a good handle on this Pandemic) can and will do it. Why wouldn’t we (albeit later on as we are not handling it brilliantly right now). I think the government will see sport as an important part of maintaining the public moral etc....back on its feet! Get the economy going etc....

[exiled on the wirral!]

I'm probably in the minority but voiding the season worries me. I fear if they decide that no more games will be played this season  then I think they will go for PPG to finalise positions which will send us down. I just cant see them just cancelling the season. At least if we play behind closed doors it's still in our hands.

TBH though, I can't see a ball being kicked till at least August so I'm fearing the worse now as regards our plight.

[Drummond]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment.

I broadly agree.

Though in my view, teams that have something taken away from them, that they already have, is far worse than taking away something they don't. In this case it's a Premier League place.

For Liverpool, it would be extremely harsh for them not to win given it's a 99% chance they'd have won it. But they hadn't. However, the Champions League places were far less certain (barring perhaps Man City) and relegation also.

WBA and Leeds, although a few points clear, weren't certainties for promotion at all and a number of clubs would point to form swings etc.

With the mitigating factor of Leeds being............Leeds.

and Liverpool being Liverpool being Liverpool and WBA being, well, insert your own thought.

[garyellis]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment.

I broadly agree.

Though in my view, teams that have something taken away from them, that they already have, is far worse than taking away something they don't. In this case it's a Premier League place.

For Liverpool, it would be extremely harsh for them not to win given it's a 99% chance they'd have won it. But they hadn't. However, the Champions League places were far less certain (barring perhaps Man City) and relegation also.

WBA and Leeds, although a few points clear, weren't certainties for promotion at all and a number of clubs would point to form swings etc.

With the mitigating factor of Leeds being............Leeds.

and Liverpool being Liverpool being Liverpool and WBA being, well, insert your own thought.

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

I disagree, if Germany (who seem to have a good handle on this Pandemic) can and will do it. Why wouldn’t we (albeit later on as we are not handling it brilliantly right now). I think the government will see sport as an important part of maintaining the public moral etc....back on its feet! Get the economy going etc....

But they are not

[CT]

Interesting update from Liverpool regarding season tickets. I assume most PL clubs will make similar announcements soon?

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/393338-important-update-on-season-ticket-renewals

[chrisw1]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

It doesn't have to be.  And it won't be.

[p_ad]

In short, and on the whole, working class kids get working class jobs and the current lockdown we are living through only reinforces this outcome the longer it goes on.

Won't quote the whole thing but this specific line highlights exactly what needs to change as a result of this (and cannot be allowed to return to the status quo). We go out every Thursday and clap for the key workers, we have 2 hours of BBC Sunday evening calling the same key workers heroes for leading the fight against the virus and putting themselves in harms way to protect the country. These people are either the working class unskilled labour force or they're key workers that are absolutely essential to the running of the country.

Don't treat them like the former but then patronise them with hollow platitudes.

If they're key workers and heroes then make sure they earn enough to reflect that and don't need universal credit to top off their piss poor wages. If they're key workers don't allow them to be treated as expendable by companies that want to increase their profits once this is done. If they're heroes don't treat them like dirt when they lose their jobs and need a safety net. If they're heroes that weren't born here lets not thank them for their help and then carry on blaming immigrants for all the problems in the country.

"Working class jobs" are, as we can see in stark relief, no less important or valuable to society than many others so how about we just call them all 'jobs' and the gap between the high and low earners are reduced to reflect the true value to society they provide. This isn't having a go at you by the way, it's having a go at the sorry state of our society which spends 99% of it's time pretending a bunch of jobs are worthless only to clap them when that's proven to be bollocks.

Great post
let's hope there is a real appetite for change.

[Risso]

Interesting update from Liverpool regarding season tickets. I assume most PL clubs will make similar announcements soon?

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/393338-important-update-on-season-ticket-renewals

Clubs should be refunding supporters now. They know that there's no way on earth crowds will be allowed back before the end of May.

[garyellis]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

It doesn't have to be.  And it won't be.

But it cant be changed without a vote and the point is it is reasonable to take the stance as outlined. That leaves other options that could more easily find a consensus.

[chrisw1]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

It doesn't have to be.  And it won't be.

But it cant be changed without a vote and the point is it is reasonable to take the stance as outlined. That leaves other options that could more easily find a consensus.

It sounds like the clubs are generally in agreement to the closed doors option.  So, assuming they can find a way to do it, that's what they'll do, whether you think it works or not. 

[garyellis]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

It doesn't have to be.  And it won't be.

But it cant be changed without a vote and the point is it is reasonable to take the stance as outlined. That leaves other options that could more easily find a consensus.

It sounds like the clubs are generally in agreement to the closed doors option.  So, assuming they can find a way to do it, that's what they'll do, whether you think it works or not. 

If I was Purslow (which obviously I am not) I would not be making any noises currently. There is no need we are a million miles away from that being an option.

[Mister E]

Interesting update from Liverpool regarding season tickets. I assume most PL clubs will make similar announcements soon?

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/393338-important-update-on-season-ticket-renewals

I think Villa have already said that.

[CT]

Interesting update from Liverpool regarding season tickets. I assume most PL clubs will make similar announcements soon?

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tickets/393338-important-update-on-season-ticket-renewals

I think Villa have already said that.

Fair enough, I must have missed that. I saw the 'early bird" had been postponed, but nothing else.

[old man villa fan]

I understand that OMVF.  But whatever the resolution, some clubs will be penalised.  If they don't come up there's a fair chance Leeds may have to dismantle their team, they may lose Kalvin Phillips etc.  Imagine if we were in their situation - missing promotion and having to lose Jack because some people thought voiding the season was fairest.  I doubt the forum would be full of people worried about the health risks of playing behind closed doors then.  Surprisingly there isn't much of that sentiment on Leeds and WBA forums at the moment. 

There are currently more major issues going on than football in general. I appreciate other fans of clubs having (so far) a successful season will be desperate for it to recommence but unfortunately they are not going to get their wish. While ever social distancing is a tool to be used against this pandemic then you can forget football - it aint happening! If the decision is to finish off the current season whenever some time in the future, then it has to be under the same rules as it commenced not made up coefficients or behind closed doors that simply does not work. Yes we could be a beneficiary of a null and void season or no relegation but that's just circumstances the points made are sound regardless.

It doesn't have to be.  And it won't be.

But it cant be changed without a vote and the point is it is reasonable to take the stance as outlined. That leaves other options that could more easily find a consensus.

It sounds like the clubs are generally in agreement to the closed doors option.  So, assuming they can find a way to do it, that's what they'll do, whether you think it works or not. 

If I was Purslow (which obviously I am not) I would not be making any noises currently. There is no need we are a million miles away from that being an option.

That's the point that a lot of people are missing.

It is being reported that they are in general agreement about playing behind closed doors.  Is that true though or is it just how the reporters want to/paid to report it.  Clubs may be nodding ok but as you say, some may be keeping their powder dry until they need to fire the gun.