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Author Topic: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?  (Read 754011 times)

Offline Brassneck

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2010 on: April 11, 2020, 06:55:07 PM »
But you’re being subjective based on our particular circumstances. If you’re a team chasing a top four place and you have less games in front of your home crowd than one of your rivals how is it any different?

Not subjective-Just looking for the fairest way out.

You seem to be blinkered and can’t get your head around a scenario that suits most if not all parties.  You don’t seem to be able to accept a situation where you can have champions but no relegations.  I see nothing wrong with it.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2011 on: April 11, 2020, 06:57:35 PM »
Yeah that makes no sense at all, why are a teams home games that are attempting to avoid relegation more important than a teams home games that are chasing Champions League?

Because we have 6 left.  Give us 3 points for our game in hand and then everyone re-starts on an even keel.

If you can come up with a fairer way, let’s hear it.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2012 on: April 11, 2020, 06:58:52 PM »
Yeah that makes no sense at all, why are a teams home games that are attempting to avoid relegation more important than a teams home games that are chasing Champions League?

Because we have 6 left.  Give us 3 points for our game in hand and then everyone re-starts on an even keel.

If you can come up with a fairer way, let’s hear it.
Why would Villa be given 3 points for the game in hand? Our recent form would suggest 1, tops.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2013 on: April 11, 2020, 07:02:21 PM »
Yeah that makes no sense at all, why are a teams home games that are attempting to avoid relegation more important than a teams home games that are chasing Champions League?

Because we have 6 left.  Give us 3 points for our game in hand and then everyone re-starts on an even keel.

If you can come up with a fairer way, let’s hear it.
Why would Villa be given 3 points for the game in hand? Our recent form would suggest 1, tops.

1.3 actually.

I don’t think we should be given 3 points.  I was showing why we would lose out on home games compared to those sides going for Europe.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2014 on: April 11, 2020, 07:04:20 PM »
I think the bigger issue with relegation is that as things stretch on you'll see more and more leagues being voided lower down the leagues and we'll reach a point relegation/promotion is only an issue in the top couple of leagues. at that point it becomes difficult to see how you can allow promotion and relegation at the top levels.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2015 on: April 11, 2020, 07:29:25 PM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2016 on: April 11, 2020, 08:10:43 PM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.

I agree which is why they shouldn’t finish the season. But if they do then all the standard rules have to apply.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2017 on: April 11, 2020, 08:14:04 PM »
But you’re being subjective based on our particular circumstances. If you’re a team chasing a top four place and you have less games in front of your home crowd than one of your rivals how is it any different?

Not subjective-Just looking for the fairest way out.

You seem to be blinkered and can’t get your head around a scenario that suits most if not all parties.  You don’t seem to be able to accept a situation where you can have champions but no relegations.  I see nothing wrong with it.

But how does that make sense? Again if you’re a team in 5th place and have 6 home games left, why are you in any different situation to a team battling relegation who has 6 hole games left. If that team doesn’t make 4th place why is their case any different?

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2018 on: April 11, 2020, 10:22:23 PM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.

I'd have 4 relegated for the following 2 seasons.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2019 on: April 11, 2020, 10:24:54 PM »
Just have 4 down and only 2 come up for next season.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2020 on: April 11, 2020, 10:34:29 PM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.
Problem is the deferred Euro 2020, can’t see the FA wanting extra games at the top level with that on the horizon

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2021 on: April 11, 2020, 10:44:31 PM »
But you’re being subjective based on our particular circumstances. If you’re a team chasing a top four place and you have less games in front of your home crowd than one of your rivals how is it any different?

Not subjective-Just looking for the fairest way out.

You seem to be blinkered and can’t get your head around a scenario that suits most if not all parties.  You don’t seem to be able to accept a situation where you can have champions but no relegations.  I see nothing wrong with it.

But how does that make sense? Again if you’re a team in 5th place and have 6 home games left, why are you in any different situation to a team battling relegation who has 6 hole games left. If that team doesn’t make 4th place why is their case any different?

But there isn't a team in 5th place with 6 home games left.  Sheffield United (7th) have a game in hand which is away to us and Arsenal (9th) have a game in hand which is away to Man City.

How else would you determine European places.  You seem to be claiming not to finish the season at all which is far less fair (and impossible due to games in hand).

This is an extraordinary situation.  You have to look at the fairest, most practical way to resolve it:

1.  If at all possible, the season will be played out.  This is certain because the money involved could well be the difference between a club surviving or not.  Forget about it being voided.  The only way that will happen is if it's a direct choice between this season and next.

2.  With that in mind, what is the fairest way to settle the season?  3 issues have to be determined:  Champions, European places and relegation.  Champions is easy as we all accept Liverpool are worthy champions and by playing behind closed doors is not unfair on anyone.  European places HAVE to be determined so what is the option?  There is none - You go by the final standings after playing out behind closed doors.  Not 100% ideal but by far the fairest way of settling and doubtful whether anyone would object PRIOR to the games being fulfilled.  Certainly fairer than leaving the standings as they are.  Finally, relegation places where at least 6 teams WILL object prior to games being fulfilled.

Just because 1 end of the table is affected doesn't mean the other end has to be - You have to think outside the box and look at the most logical solution.  A vote can change and determine anything

If 20 teams are going to put it to the vote, we are far more likely to have an acceptable outcome (maybe all 20 voting the same way) in my scenario.  It is the best, most sensible and most fairest way.  Comparing it to voiding the season is ridiculous.  Insisting on relegation is also ridiculous when there is no mandatory stipulation to relegate clubs.  You will only end up with 3 very upset clubs and/or 6 clubs before a ball is kicked who may even refuse to comply until it is resolved through arbitration.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2022 on: April 11, 2020, 10:45:44 PM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.
Problem is the deferred Euro 2020, can’t see the FA wanting extra games at the top level with that on the horizon

Scrap the League Cup/Scrap the winter break/Play 4 more midweek games.

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2023 on: April 11, 2020, 10:46:45 PM »
Appears UEFA reached out to a Belgian virologist, who will advise them to end all competitions.

Google translated a part of the article from nieuwsblad.be:

"I will defend the position of the Belgian Pro League and say that now is the time to end the competitions. It will be very difficult to finish. It is to hold vain hope. You better face reality. " Playing games without an audience Van Ranst thinks "the wrong signal". "Then you also have two teams, referees, coaches, a bench and a lot of people who have to take care of everything in the stadium. And all this while you ask people for social distancing. The start of the 2020-2021 season is not yet predictable. We are now mid-April, so there is still time to make decisions about that."

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Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
« Reply #2024 on: April 12, 2020, 12:48:38 AM »
The fairest way would be to have a 22 team league next season with the bottom 5 getting relegated to rebalance it the season after.

This or 2 seasons with 4 teams relegated to a more gradual return to 20 teams.

 


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